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Life is the curriculum, trust, choice, responsibility and accomplishment are the values
"Hello, good morning. And welcome. My name is Graham and I'm delighted to be with your today as we start these Journeys into our skiing what it is to be really free free from constraints and come back, T free from constant testing and peer pressure and free from unsafe and uninspiring school environments. Where you let children explore the world around and through play cooperation and inspiration free to let children learn naturally following their innate curiosity and then does creativity come to see that learning isn't about doing well at school. It's about engaging with life with you and I will serve you and I woke up carrying you message around lighted to have with us today a very special guest who's going to take us through the Sudbury School model for anyone out there looking for alternate choice is a fascinating Avenue to explore the subject schools for anyone not aware. It's where life is the curriculum children learning to read without being taught every student free to choose how they spend their money. No compulsory classes absolutely no exams and every student has a vote on how the school operates and does sound fantastic to me the suburbs philosophy acknowledges what research shows wage. The people learn best when motivation comes from within rather than from an external Source, whether it be parent teacher or national curriculum and Jeff is going to take us through this today. He is founding member of the Hudson Valley Sudbury School his backgrounds in computers where you work for over 30 years after graduating from Cornell, but back in 2003 his life took a slight Edge and when he and his wife were looking for suitable school for their three year old and he realized quickly that there was known no suitable option that was inspiring him in his area. So he after a walk in Civ amount of research into the Sudbury Valley School found out this is exactly what he was looking for and he went on and actually set up the school. So we're delighted to have him with us today. How long Mister Collins very good very good. And that was a great introduction to the Sudbury model really excellent. By the way does seem extremely Innovative and some in the signs sure all the kids get a lot out of just going back. We are star guests wage. Back to their school days and how they see that now and what they find useful and any positives or negatives from their General overall schooling experience. All my schooling was very traditional with typical public-school. We we fairly small school though. So I think that has advantages over from the larger public schools that we have what I found there and bought a part of the reason that I realized. I didn't want the same thing. My daughter was I was often very bored because I was able to go much faster than the general pace of the classroom and I found myself really not having put a lot of effort into it and resulting in the, you know, pretty much my time essentially in classroom being bored and waiting for things to to move faster. And another thing that happened to me was you know, as a high school student it became really clear to me that my thoughts and opinions didn't really matter what really matters job. was whether or not I could accurately Echo what my teachers were telling me that Echo, so An example of that is when I was doing a paper on Shakespeare comparing Shakespeare plays. I had some thoughts about original and not necessarily, you know, not necessarily A Break 6. But the fact that I couldn't really express my thoughts or ideas in the paper and going to be some marks was indicative to me that they don't want me to think I don't my question is want me to repeat back exactly what they tell me and that wasn't what I wanted either. So that was kind of a turning point when it realized that you know, what took more to education than just what we're getting now, so You know, I look back on that incident when I was deciding what I wanted my daughter and I didn't want that can't that that's part of the rationale for looking for something new. Right? So you'll Journey off much was inspired by your your daughter becoming school age. Did you look at any other Alternatives apart from the Sudbury? We did you looked at the typical one to let the world or for the Montessori and those, you know, nothing wrong with those but it just wasn't are fit for us. They seem very obstinate in their approach and philosophy. It's they're both created a long time ago and haven't really changed much since then and they didn't seem to reflect the continuing Evolution that we as a people are going to they don't mean that as a criticism. It's just that's my observation. Right? Right. Sounds like you have researched this very thoroughly. I mean feel you be excellent person to ask if you if you can suggest anywhere for people to start to understand this philosophy. It might sound strange the Democratic school. Once you're going to get into that in a minute. That's just where where's a good place for parents to start the might be looking for Alternatives? Well, they can check out our website which is separate school.com. There's a bunch of papers and blogs and articles on that. They could almost anything ever written by dead. Professor Peter gray who is an incredible advocate for Democratic education including Sudbury School model. He talks a lot about play and how long is incredibly valuable human beings but undervalued and under used in public education and to check out the Sudbury Valley web app, which is the original cyber school that said well. Org and there are numerous numerous Publications on Sudbury model there a little bit hard to talk to some of them are fairly old. But if you search on any book selling web site, you can probably find something to type inside very very Valley model or Sudbury model. That's great. Yeah. I've had a look at the website as a whole host of articles there to get get interested in and how did the actual formation of the school come about did you was it always something you thought? Possible. I mean it sounds like a huge undertaking to start your own school too. So if you could take us through you know, how is it born and as it changed over time and what are your sort of current goals for the school? So it was you know, I didn't grow up things against part of school that that would be a little naive I but there was a time I thought it was three and there's just nothing out there and you know, fortunately my wife and I had the resources to be able to undertake something of this size and magnitude and so long with those those resources that we happen to have because you know, it's really successful in the tech world. We just set out and do it and started and we had no idea what it involves Thursday. We had the first do research of what it takes to start a private school in the state of New York in each stage different. So, you know, we found you know on a website how to do that in New Jersey. What the process was we talked to her friends or neighbors or parents of children that are. You know that our daughter new and socialized with track them interest somewhere most warrants eventually. We got a we set up a meeting in our town in Woodstock New York and invited the public put an ad in the paper saying please come find out about a new alternative school starting in New York starting in Woodstock without any more detail in that we didn't tell them what the school is about to you know, philosophy was in the ad. We just wanted to get them there. Right and we had over a hundred and fifty people show up to find out about this unknown school. They're going to start in Woodstock and to me what that image is such a a lack of Options and such a need for different options in such a desire for something something totally completely different that that many people would show up and you know, of course when we describe the school, you know, some people wanted that kind of philosophy of education some didn't so only wanted to to look upon his group and we ended up with about wage fifteen people working on it. We had someone from NYU education department call us up. She was getting her degree as an undergrad undergrad. She joined a Founders group home cuz it's something that they really want. So from that point on it took about Three years. The biggest challenge is getting a building frankly. There's State codes local codes. We ended up having to build a building a committed, you know satisfactory for us and that process was what took the longest was getting the building actually built and the design of that is intended. I should be like a large house instead of like a school cuz we want a feeling within the school of community of family of social structure. That is Natural instead of forced so, you know, we have a stroke. So it looks like a like I said like a house instead of like the school building and then in 2004. We open up the school. It was in June June fourteenth two thousand four and we opened up for this two weeks. It was the end of the school year. We open that date cuz that was the date. We got the building permit for the you know wage occupancy permit and those two weeks. We have 25 kids and then we open in the fall and we had about thirty five kids. We both kind of stay between 35 and 45 for a few years and then we started to grow our about 65 to 75 kids. Wow. Okay, as far as what we see into the future that you know, we want to continue expanding this model not just in our local school, but more globally, you know, we see such a demand in Need for suck. Different again stuff for everybody, but at least it's an option for people who want to enable their kids to be in a school where they get to choose what they do. They get to have the trust of the staff and the people around them that they can accomplish what they need to accomplish without being coerced and that's you know, that's really our long-term goal is to create this understanding this kind of model Works to make it available for people that want that and to make it part of the mainstream conversation of Education, which it isn't dead. That seems to be the thing that is yeah, the biggest takeaways the people have gone through the school system and how confident and creative and self-reliant. They are these schools. Definitely a now proving after this. Is it thirty years? They've been around now we yeah, they've been around since nineteen sixty-eight was the initial found in school. So it's 50,000 years almost. Yeah. Yeah. I mean just for any parents listening out there they might think well, there's no rules to how does any learning get done. What what is the most common misconceptions you I'm sure you had the same things pretty much about such freedoms or lack of rules. What would you say to parents concerned with those? Well, I think there's a couple different ways to answer that one is definitely rules. There are definitely rules of behavior in any Sudbury school. There are laws. In fact, we have, you know, written law book saying what rules of behavior are within the school. And those are enforced by the school itself. They're not so it's not like you, do ever you want to do it doesn't matter. No one's going to care what you do. That's not at all what it's like off the difference though is that our laws are actually written down so that you know exactly what the laws are and because it's a democracy the kids are part of creating modifying am moving changing those laws the part of the process that goes into making the laws instead of just being subject subjected to the laws. So if you want to really involve someone with understanding what the behavior needs to be the best way to do that is to have a conversation and to engage them in making your own laws. So that's the real difference between Palm. Can you come you go into a school where you're told what to do versus you go into a school where it gives the federal laws are currently exist and you have the rights to make a motion wage. Changed a lot. And if you can argue that the law should be changed effectively. You get the votes the laws changed, right? So that's that takes ownership over the laws or rules. Once anyone has ownership to feel more responsible than respect those laws more. So the laws are obvious allows you typical like no hitting anybody. No bull. No no abusive language that kind of stuff found two really small ones. Like you must pick up after yourself. I mean that's that's pretty important in a community where people have to have to live eight hours a good, you know, when to pick up after themselves, so it's kind of things are typical standard laws and Sudbury school they're enforced and they're enforced by a committee of people includes primarily students and then one staff member on the staff member changes, so it doesn't it's not like the staff members in charge of the students actually charge of it. The staff member is a spirit represents dead. Their point of view there's no again. There's no veto power just happened doesn't have control over what happens there. Just a member of the community and has a member of the community or part of the justice system. I'm just going to say the system is run by students. They decide you know, what happens investigate whenever something says there were some reports saying that they think when they have broken the law, they investigate that report to find out what really happens what really happens they see if any laws are actually broken and if they're not sure they say Hey, you know, you broke a law, do you plead guilty or not guilty and typically the student pleads guilty. And by the way staff can be charged to and once they played in a sentence which corresponds to basically what they did. So for example, if someone littered like if I left my coffee cup lying around I could be charged a littering I would probably I definitely feel guilty cuz I'm sure I left my coffee cup around all the time and I'd give a sentence typically of of cleaning. I think that the garbage get related to what we what the what the what the law was that got broken. So again, it's not, you know, it's not crazy kids all over the place running around and its people in a social construct understanding what it takes to make with a group of people who live together work together and always together be able to manage their environment. Well, it's really a kind of a laboratory for creating a social. Social grouping would like to refer to it as our little village. Right? Right. That's one of the biggest things I took away from from the the research. I did on your on your webpage the the the emphasis on responsibility. It seems you're really creating such self-reliant and responsible children. I mean, it seems so such a massive shift away from the public school model. I mean, do you see any change options available for the public school model or is it something that just needs to be kind of money put back into history as something that was tried and now we've we've moved on and definitely through the Sudbury Valley model you can see there are much more creative ways of making children have opportunities to find their passions. Yeah, but the first thing I want to do is I want to distinguish between Public School modeling and the public school. The model of the education we kind of conflate the two when we say public school. And I mean we think of you know, what we experienced the public school model and United States, which is a compulsory education compulsory curriculum that we could is separated by age separated by grade level and have to take tests order to proceed along the hierarchy of grade levels. That's the model of Education. The public part is the financing of the education and those really two separate things. I like to keep them separate. So when I talk about you know what I think of a public school, there's this one is publicly financed but to it's a compulsory educational system. I love the public idea. I love the idea of public financing of Education. It's really important that we have that I don't loan no idea of compulsory education. So if we can have a public model publicly-funded model where there isn't compulsory education, that would be my preference now getting away from compulsory wage. Patient is a very challenging thing for us to do socially cuz we're so sold on the idea that the only way to educate children has been part of our culture for over 50 years. But if we look back and look at why we have this kind of educational system. And again, it's only a hundred fifty years. It's not what we had two hundred years ago. No not home educated two hundred years ago. It's it's relatively new in history of humankind and its it was put in place around the 1850s people probably know this to do some research and find out it's been placed around the 1850s. It was built on a Model was first developed in Prussia. The reason the prussians developed. It was a lost the franco-prussian war and they couldn't understand why they lost home or to the French. I don't you know, I think in Spanish, but question software much better fighters in the French War. They could have send why they lost The realize that they lost because their soldiers were not adequately taking orders from their commanders. They didn't have the accurate structure. So they build schools public schools are better trained soldiers then during our Industrial Revolution. We needed Factory workers. We had a bunch of farmers. We weren't very Society were mostly Farmers off. We had to come up with a way to take these Farmers out of the fields and put them in the factories. If you think about the life of a farmer versus like effects or cuz they're very different with a farmer every day. You're out every day you're moving around every day, you're doing things that are creative and engaging and things that you know are life-affirming you're growing things the factory worker. It's almost the exact opposite of that you inside all day long, you're sitting at the same station every day the same thing over and over and over again, which way the train people to come from the farm to go to the factory worker and yep. is not an easy training so, you know, the industrialists in the late eighteen hundreds came up with papers just crush and model just bring it to the US and they did in our educational model has not changed since that time if you think about it, our school is like a factory work, you know, you come in you sit down the same thing pretty much over and over again be told what to do you follow instructions you have little autonomy and you have to just move from one thing to the next whether you want to or not dead and it's a perfect model to teach people how to be Factory workers, but what's changed and what is so much Upset and why it's not working is we no longer need Factory workers. We've changed a model of our economy has totally changed Factor working is going away and it's becoming a more creative Society Society where we need people to be able to think for themselves to innovate to self-motivate back to persist when they come across problems along the way and do this all without someone overseeing what they're doing. That's again, that's like what degree in society was and fifty years ago, but we treat teaching Factory workers not we're training people to factory workers not innovators. And so what needs to change is that understanding and will it change? I don't know, you know, I hope it can but we're so stuck and what we're doing must have such a mindset that off what we're doing is right because it has been right for a long time. So it can't get away from that. If you look at the you know, Broad Street educational reform all about doing the same thing over and over again, we've been doing the trying doing a better we can't be doing that. We have to find some way to do it differently. And you know, I'm not wage we can't do that then setting it's really tough to change such an embedded model that we have felt. It worked. Another thing that's interesting about education is the people that are Educators and may develop educational structures almost always come from what did they need to learn how they need to learn it when they were in school. So oftentimes we're about twenty or thirty years behind we're really are where we need to be. So right now, you know, we're designing educational models based on what needs to happen twenty years instead of twenty years in the future. If you look at what happened twenty years ago to look at that cap of twenty years. Everything is accelerating so fast that we can't even Envision twenty years in the future from now and if we can we have to realize a couple of things one is it will be no jobs in factories that were taken by robots. I mean, no jobs involving driving cars or tractors or Plains could be taken by robots. We know jobs that exist today that are robot can do So humans will have to find something else to do than those jobs and we need to we don't know what those are. So are we training people do their jobs wage will take over another, you know aspect of what I think needs to change. Absolutely. Yes. I mean the thing the next thing to be lost to be the accountancy in the finance all of those jobs. I imagine very shortly be automated. Yeah. It does seem to me that the compulsory school education is is definitely looking backwards not forwards. I mean so much to take away their for for our listeners if if parents listen so unhappy with their current education of their children and and they're looking at options, maybe homeschooling unschooling and they've just heard of your your model as well. What what would you say to know? They've got fears that you know, them are family and friends are all in in that system and they might you know, they might have some some doubt. What would you say to them? I would say that the dogs are useful. You really good. I like the fact wage. Like parents to come to us that acceptable is that means that question, you know, if if they start to question what's going on with their kids and the kids education. I really enjoy that because that means they're aware that they have the options in the world to be able to question. So definitely love the question, you know, as far as what those doubts tend to be home to be things around all my kids not going to learn like it's not motivated like it's not able to do this might be great for some kids, but not my kids. Well, my kids are going to keep up with other kids as far as what they know and how much you know, and some of those are inherent parent fears. I'm a parent. I have those fears. I mean every parent's going to have those fears right? But the reality is that if you look at kids they are inherently motivated. If you look at child from the age of birth to five years old when they enter school they are motivated every month. Single step of the way and motivated to learn how to crawl to learn how to walk through how to talk. They motivated to become a most aware as they should be in that motivation is to kind of track that through to once they enter compulsory education school and motivation starts to die because they no longer responsible for their own selves. Someone else is telling them what to do and have actually seen kids come to our school that have been in a compulsory educational model for a long time and then in the quote not motivated unquote. They don't know what to do. So in fact, they do nothing for a long time like months and they finally realize you know what no one's going to tell me to get off my ass to do something and I'm bored out of my mind. So I'm going to get up I'm going to do something that could be anything but that first step of taking charge of your life. Is what we want cuz after all what do you do when you're twenty-five and out of college, you need to take charge of your life. No one can tell you what to do. You have to learn that early or not lose that ability that we take away from kids by putting in the system. We tell them all the time what to do with if you think about if you tell a child what to do for twelve years for sixteen years if they go to college and then expect them to go into the world and decide for themselves. That's that's kind of crazy. Like we say do this do this do this, Okay. Now choose what you want to do. That's a crazy crazy way to educate kids and yet we do that. So that part about the motivation thing I can you know, I can just say look they are motivated and doesn't make sense that if you want to motivate it adults. And then an independent adult to have them be able to motivate and be independent as their grow. The other part that we hear a lot about is Mike is the same the same level that they're friends and reading and writing or math arithmetic and yeah, that might be true. You know, how may times when not at the same level cuz they're not forced to do that, but the difference is When they choose to do that thing whatever it's reading or writing or math is some other academic Pursuit. They do it much quicker and with more attention reality and with better recall than you do something if you're not if you don't want to do it. So for example, we do for math we do in compulsory schools or do math from probably kindergarten where they learn numbers up to grade. I think it's eight or nine based off that before algebra. So it's an old time is addition subtraction multiplication division things everything before algebra. Take just like eight years. We can do that in 20 contact hours for acai berry School eight years of education and twenty hours when a kid wants to do it right back if you talk to any teacher. Yeah, they say, okay the first half of every school year was reviewing the last half of last year. Then we got like two weeks in the middle. We do have new stuff and we have to start preparing them for the tests. I'm ready for next year. There's not a lot of learning going on in that 40 weeks of school. It's it's you know, there's really not a lot of Education. It's disciplined. It's memorization and it's getting prepared for something all the tests. It's going to then recall memorization. So it's not something to lose too much just have to say yeah. Yeah that's amazing reading and writing. Yeah Reading Writing the same. I mean, I I've seen kids my daughter included never had a reading class. My entire life was never taught or a faith and didn't read until she was nine. And you know during that time we would read to my wife out to eat here. And then one day, you know, I'm tired of not knowing how to read so she picked up Harry Potter and read it off like it was it was Harry Potter was a book that was interesting to her and she heard it enough times must reading it to her that she kind of knew what it was, but she could work it out. So she taught herself how to read that's amazing Harry Potter. You know, none of this, you know run the Run seeds, you know, the whole boring stuff that we trained kids on reading that they don't really want to read she went to her about it. It's fun. If you've not the only kid in our school, which first book was Harry Potter, right? That's amazing. Yes. We got hopefully having another couple of guests on the they've got their own stories with them as well up to 11 sometimes and then they're reading, you know, the great works from straight into something that they find they're so interested in that's so that's nice to hear. I think overall this has been such a positive chat today and if people are interested in learning more, is there a website or email address you can give them to the website is Sunbury schedule this u d b u r y School, the email address is office at Sudbury school. And again, it's s u d b u r y we often think people off. Sudsbury or some other name, but it's Sudbury percent. That's great. Well, thank you so much for your time today, mister Collins, and hopefully maybe with chats again in the future about more the day-to-day mechanics, or maybe even speak to a couple of your students that might be great, Thanks very much for your time. Thank you. Thank you very much. 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"Nobody Dave Kurt Hew. With an episode of selling the Rock your daily real estate said replied cast looking forward to Tristan Ritchie so representative here. Yeah we're here a day that give you a little bit of thoughts on some of the topics that are trending in the news in real estate in our thoughts on them from a daily update perspective on in real estate so different subject to talk with today. The first one you really wanted to chat about neighborhoods. Yeah so I posted on Instagram A couple of days ago San. We're starting podcast and gives them ideas. What you guys like to hear? We also have our own other podcasts. Arabi doing as well as general for real estate in specific people were basketball upcoming neighborhoods and different neighborhoods in Sudbury. And how. They're how they're doing. Because there's been quite a change this year not really changed but quite some unique neighborhoods this year but tell me like jubilee neighborhoods in Sudbury on a present interesting conversations so we made a point. Join not talk before this on Jersey. Your point of view. Yeah so if we can tronto if we think of big cities neighborhoods need so much you groping Guven. Anybody Never GonNa leave the neighborhood and you're gonNA specifically target these three or four different neighborhoods whether it be high park or whatever it is around this neighborhood for you and your family and said resolved that way like I. Now don't get me wrong. I think that there's areas every and you would like an imaginary line but then imagining like isn't so measuring because it's the tracks arrest rate across every and a separate set reintroduced And everybody comes with that whether it's Garson the like units that are and everything comes from the South Ed. Whether it's lively were those areas that hospital as well. That's on one side of the tracks. So I grew up I went to school on the southern Sabri me. Personally I would never live in new said because that's across the area not as with all my friends that went to scoop all the people that I grew up with Lizzie. Mary so I don't think it matters. I specifically say I'll only by hostile area or I'll only buy all Lockerbie three but is separated into neighborhoods in terms of the area but not specifically into small blocks interesting. What'd you got Tom I see where you're coming from. And I agree in that sense but I think more in terms of statistical and numbers. There's a huge the difference between the neighborhoods and celebrate. But I do agree with you. People are more willing to move and go to different areas in Sudbury so someone that grew up in southend on you but other people that grew up in southend maybe neither willing to somebody. They want to go see in the valley because they think they can get more bang for the buck jumps because they want the little bit of a big yard whatnot if you if you don't have the time to into that you heard specifically if you are born and raised in. If you don't feel that attachment I agree with you. It's true you're gonNA find different values different areas. You go to the valley because you're going to get more not so much more but yet we've seen. I think that will be seen as especially amongst the affordable houses all more affordable areas those increase. Because there's been more demand on people trying to get into neighborhoods that are cost effective right. Is that what you're seeing with this as well what I'm seeing with the stats thirty point out a few of the ones that I thought were pretty interesting. We we noticed these during the year and with their clients. We've talked about it a few times but it's cool to see them in a The actual number so average house prices Sudbury and I'm not counting Manny tooling Espinola on on a ping. I'm calling in Sudbury the general area right right so we're especially focused areas of Exact exactly so. The average house price went from two seventy six last year which state exactly even from the year before Two to ninety three this year so a huge John. That's that's a message and we noticed it yet. We seem right off the Bat Specially in that that late spring market in the spring didn't come until the end of the summer and the summer market didn't even let count until base with now so and it's been pushed back but yeah we saw this man that price could push up. It has the number sales. Yes Oh no no no the number sales right now is more talking about average prices in different neighborhoods for for this one. But if we're looking at the the price points I think what's the big thing vacuums driven that is just the lack of supply because if the for sure fewer houses to pay from Anders Nice houses somebody's visualizing when they're saying they want to move they'll pay the premium to get the house. They want that that's exactly true and in his more prominent in certain areas. So there's a few Lockerbie Lockerbie area which is like South Lake. Certain areas of south end that barely increased is pretty flat and still always a desirable area but the average house price didn't go up as much as the other places go from around three fifty three forty five. It's instant highest price neighborhood. I'm GonNa Guess Right off the bat overall retail Yup so again if the neighborhood was typically at two thirty two fifty for that neighborhood you go to to sixty or seventy. That's much easier to do than a neighborhood is already three-fifth exactly and just go to another point to go back to neighborhoods. If I bring up the idea of broder something they don't even know what brokers people that love living the south end and that's what broker is Annetta. ETA point to that people want specifically say I need to be in this specific area. We'll hear of schools and they don't really know those those terms. I find like the way we tell you Lockerbie area you know that ain't come to a few different neighborhoods that we know the other interesting one and talk this Walden which is lively Including on his well that went up to two from two forty five to eight this year. I think that's a good way. I should worry that isn't it. Yeah so then. Did you get your finding a little bit more foreign policy get into live. He's always been been on just like from a feeling of working in that marketplace. It's actually living in that marketplace myself self is on parliamentary is what we said pass. If there wasn't whitefish I think it would be like the one. You're actually practice when you're looking at houses. Upper lives could be one little pocket walk that is going to be more affordable. But trying to make a if you're trying to get into some like even now like some of those neighbors just tougher to get into less by this acid acid. I loved looking engine for is. It's been awhile since they look this but I think there's something like seventeen thousand homes in the valley and in all nationally only three thousand five hundred homes so if you're looking at numbers like that and go back to that supply-demand conversation. There's a lot fewer products pick from and it's also neighborhood. Where if you grew up in you went to your parents too lightly? You probably won't be back. The invention put on those houses. I find compared to I usually compare lively not in terms of prices but in terms of distance from subway to jumpstart in the valley. But it's actually a lot closer than people think as well so eh a little personal story we just can set up our office in the south end in closer to the hospital earlier and my wife were still hostile. I used to go to news every every single day for work. I live in lively myself and now my driving to my office which is kind of right pairs in Walford is eleven minutes like in lively. And I'm still in those still the country country living. You know we have that that that we WANNA live with my family but yet we are able to be at my office in the middle of this within the unfit Museu sundry agree to the law. The the area the you're in and you're so close to the sea and we'll get into focus on in terms of why set recession to me. Is the place place to live in. Like I would never want to be anywhere else. World that year but but that's interesting ceremony neighborhoods. So what you're you're you're push pushback to that there are actually neighborhoods reunion matters if something needs to be in the hospital or needs to be mentally. Advise say I will only personally Home you don't see it's more specific to certain neighborhoods like hospital area. But that's more because of the type home. The old Victorian type character character. You do get some people get something but you also get a lively people. The Hammer people the trumpster people. I think they're they're definitely already but in terms of prices well and some people are willing to let you send it changed name of it based on their the price because you have to. Of course you need to. I think if I look at the compensation of neighborhoods really obesity more on areas like how people every you use over its Middle Lake. And that's exactly my point. Is that people like it's roughly errors. If you'll you'll in the Senate you want to be close to boxers perfect new sentimental as as you know you wanted to close to the University of you want to be close to the hostile than sometimes purview. Yeah those people can determine locations in general sense and not necessarily woods inside ribs as I grew kind of thing perfect. There's a few times you WANNA get guys breath and dive so so we'll hold off some of those topics for tomorrow by exciting to do a podcast number two again. Let us know what you think is not It's Middle Lake. And that's exactly the point is that that's been a late right. And that's for people like one of our goals which is to create the content. Give it out to you. Make sure that you haven't available to you
Prospect Report: Quinton Byfield
"You're listening to an LA kings podcast for more episodes of this and every other kings program visit L. A. Kings Dot com slash podcast. The Wall Oh. Comes to the wolves getting ahead by peel breaks in to storm after by field scars. Welcome to the OH L. Quinton by pill he he dangled he buried taught cheese. You're listening to all the king's men the official podcast of the La. Kings. Drops it back to quit by. Fill Hustler the neutral fell into the culture pick tax guard. Now here's your host Jesse Cohen. Welcome at King's fans I am Jesse. Cohn, this is all the king's men presented by Manscaping an official partner of the Kings thanks to this Revolutionary Company manscaping accidents or a thing of the past just get yourself. The man's gaped perfect package three no inside. You'll find products their lawnmower three point zero, which is advanced skin safe technology. So this tremor won't cut you everything you need to keep trimmed and smelling nice in the perfect back three point zero you can get twenty percent off plus free shipping with the Code Kingsman at Manscaping Dot Com that's manscaping dot com and use the code kingsman. Versed around the NHL, entry draft isn't until October, but there's already been a ton of debate about who kings should select with the second overall pick. I'm not going to try and settle that debate but to bring some much needed perspective to it, I am going to seek out people that actually wants these kids night in and night out and see what they have to say about. So with that in mind we begin with Quinton by field. Joining me now play by play announcers. We have two of them from the Sudbury Wolves Brian Cooper how are you doing today? Brian Not Bad. How are you? I'm excellent thanks and Mike carefully these how're you doing today Mike doing great thanks Jesse Krasny. So the reason I wanNA talk to you guys is look as great as as guys like Scott Wheeler Corey Prin Sorry Chris Peters. Is it Scott Wheeler anyways too many too many of these guys now who who scout prospects living, but as great is all these guys are it is still my belief that you need to talk to somebody who sees these players night in night out game by game to really get a sense of what to expect It's very easy to sort of pull up some youtube videos watch them highlights or or drop. Into see one or two games a season but to get a real sense of the players you need to get somebody who covers the team frequently. Now Brian you cover mostly home games for suburb is that correct? That's right. I do. But I do a little bit of traveling actually used to travel with the wolves on a full-time basis for two seasons and then my wife and I we had built. And Showing A. So I do home games in a little bit row. And Mike this is your second season covering Sabrina on the road, correct yeah. This is my second season. Correct. So Brian, will start with you. Just. A real simple question how good is Quinton by field? While This from a complete set whenever I call a game, I always try to have a very neutral grounded broadcast. I like to call it like I. See it and that's you know obviously out by technically worked for the Sudbury Wolves. But if the wolves are not having a great night, I will call it like I see it and the same goes for individual players as well and watching Quinton by field for the last couple. Seasons has been an absolute treat there are. I've only I mean I think I've been doing play by play for mice fifth or sixth the can't even remember how many years I've been doing it for. But there are certain players who have this very distinct ability to control. The game and it is quite fascinating to watch I. Remember I'm not going to necessarily compare him to convict. David but I had a chance to see Connor mcdavid play when he played for the year yachters. A few years back now and I was just kind of example of seeing a player have the ability to control a game and we had a goaltender by the name of Kopech Lucan as well who had the ability to do this and by field? He has this very distinct ability as. Mike. Maybe you'll agree with me but. I would say. Control, the the level of play on the ice uses his strength, his speed, and just is hockey sense to really have a massive impact on the ice and it is absolutely fascinating to witness. Especially when you're doing play-by-play now it's unbelievable at Jimmy. We've been spoiled spoiled probably the last couple of years. Watching this guy play I need six, four, two, hundred, fourteen pounds right for seventeen year old seventeen year old kid it's like a man in a child's body, right? I mean, you look at it this way in his first year what he has hit sixty one points to sixty four games. Right He was rookie of the year two, thousand, eighteen, two, thousand, nineteen season right he came in you know I'll say it this way came into the league just pretty much an offensive machine coming out of minor minor made minor midget right and then he he learned the two way game and With his two gaming, learn to three and of course, Still Stop Cory. Stillman. Thorough mocks in his Stortini and he really upped his game to the next level I. Mean you just got bigger and stronger. I mean this season what you have I mean eighty two points in forty five games right and he was even injured for a little bit with a wrist injury. So I mean Brian you'll agree with me here probably I mean if If he was. Not Injured I think he might have been up there in maybe one or two in. Leading points for the L. Go. Yeah definitely. He was He was on face to do so and and like I said I mean, obviously his teammates were helpful in that as well. But when you look at his stats to I mean even The stats thirty, two goals fifty assists he was doing both some players it's Majority. What they do is just assists kind of sending up other players and Quinton. He sends this ability to kind of do it all he literally can do it all and the thing that gets me still so young, he's so young, and so it's really exciting to see men what is capable of in the next in the next year next two years Mike, you mentioned the injury I'm looking at his. Numbers in forty five games he scores eighty two points good for fourteenth overall in the League but I believe fifth overall in points per game at one point eight, two now Marco Rossi you know is by far the leader at two point one, four, three points per game. How important is it to look at that per game number when considering a player's impact in the H. L. Bob I mean. You. Look at it. This way with the one point eight to your state the points per game Mark Rossi I mean another dynamic player who's probably GONNA go top ten anti-china draft as well. Right Quinta by you're younger than these guys. You gotTa look at it. This way going into this draft class Most of these guys are pretty sure all of them. Except for maybe I think three I believe. Me I believe seventeen going into this or maybe eighteen. Anyway. So I look at it this way he's a year younger than everyone else. He's your younger than the friend yet right and one point eight, two points per game. The Guy was just dynamic on the ice I mean he could see he sees the whole. The whole rink right I mean and you can't underestimate is speed just dynamic glare. With. The speed as wall lot of a lot of teams. Under US under estimated speed and stuff like that. But I'll tell ya es quick really really quick glare and his toughness was getting better as well. Like a lot of a lot of people are saying now a lot of sculpture saying, well, you know his toughness is in there. I've seen him, Brian can probably with me on this one I've seen him lay out some guys. I saw this one hidden windsor where he laid out a guy into the bench and it was Mano a Mano. Looked at each other and who's just like, boo the on five on five right. So you cannot under estimate this guy's toughness in a you know what? He's just going to get better any like I said he just a man and a child's body. So I. I look at it that way let's talk about my favorite stat that I dug up. Looking over scouting reports in the one month period that by field went to the World Juniors Sudbury without him was outscored thirty two to nineteen. The rest of the season scored opponents two, hundred, forty, two, two, hundred, eight. I, mean obviously he's GonNa. BE A high draft pick in this year's draft. So I mean this is sort of an obvious question, but he is the team MVP. Correct. Ryan. I would say there's not a whole lot argument against that. That's for sure. I. D is definitely as I mentioned at the beginning impact player and You know Mike Ronaldo good point what it's confidence and how a lot of goat's said you know he's not he doesn't quite have his toughness up to par yet and I I still think there can be some improvement on that spirit s fear as well. But man the when you factor in his size again, his hockey sense is just it's It's unreal that his age and I definitely, definitely a valuable valuable assets in the subway world right now and has been to. Let's talk about some of the off ice stuff for some how the stuff impacts the on stuff Mike You Watch him on the road. For a seventeen year old obviously these guys are getting a as each generation of player experiences growing media landscape and everything they get they get better and better, and they come in more trained to handle adversity and road settings, et CETERA. But how is he on the road? How is he in hostile environments? doesn't seem to impact him at all playing away from home. I'll tell you this Jesse on the road seeing him you know practices. Seeing him the way he conducts himself as you're saying with the players at meetings at. Dinners and all that kind of stuff whatnot. Straight face I think he has the best poker face as as you can't tell he's a pro and he's always intense and always focused to seems like to me. All the time always absolutely and you know, but he is really really nice kid he's very humble as well but He carries himself. As a pro I. think that's the word as a seventeen year old. He is a definite Pearl. Talking to him he never. Denying me of an interview. And Brian I can. Agree with you on not when two as well Right. So he never denying interviews always they're always tense during the practices you know He was a presence known he came in and it was funny like I. Just Tell You funny story like you walk in you're eating dinner or something inside. Roman. All of a sudden quinton walks in as just like oh or And here comes here comes Q. Right Everybody's focused. Right, he's got that kind of impact on people even on me. I'll tell you that even I got focused when he came into the room, right? So that's the kind that's the kind of guy he is. He's an impact guy and everybody that's around him off the ice to. You're totally impacted by. In a great in a good way. other thing I was gonna say to just. Back on that Mike was I mean I'm thinking of his age and already a travel schedule for the suburb pre wolves can be pretty tricky compared to some other teams even in their own division and so that can be that can be a stressor that can be You know a pretty tough to handle as a young kid but. The amount of even kind from ten of an outside perspective, the amount of I know interview requests and the amount of times I. Think it was I can remember how many interviews he had. To handle that and to learn how to handle that with some good discretion I mean it's I I'm pretty I. Admire Him. For how he was able to handle that. Obviously, he has helped behind the scenes to kind of work all that stuff as well. But once world juniors came around wants you know like NHL, draft started being spoken about so many people wanted to get a hold of him and talk to him and big. You know late scenes like what a what a skill being able to handle that it is. Sudbury may not be the center of the Hockey Universe right up the street You know the OH L. Obviously Tana teams in the in the Greater Toronto Area I've seen a lot of interviews or at least read some clips where he. Seemed self-aware seem self-confident m. Have you gotten a sense of of how he is handling? This added attention of being a potential. You know top five draft pick. I guess I'll start with that Yeah I think he's doing a great job. He doesn't. Like I said. Like I said before you can't really tell with him what's on his mind or if he's nervous, I mean if you were to play poker with this guy. And Not saying I'm a poker player. I. Watch on TV right you know the the the twin to watch on TV and you see those poker faces you'd never know What rattles him. Right because he's always the scene guys always got that same demeanor he's always intense. He's always. Making people around him better like I said but you never know again, it's just weird with him. So yeah. And he handles into piggyback with Brian was saying the interviews and stuff for a seventeen year old way handles the interviews and handles the media is unbelievable. I mean. There's so many. People waiting for him. I'll see for example, we'll get off the bus. For example, I'll say Kingston. got off the bus in Kingston Oh my goodness there was such a lineup for for for kids. They wanted his autograph, right? and. You know he doesn't get. He doesn't get rattled or anything he goes to say, Hey, you know what? Sorry I got no time to sign a COUPLA walk in. You know I can take climb to sign them all. Right. And that's the thing about him and that's what makes him approach and he's just a just a pro. You know that whole thing with people waiting for that happens in almost every single rink. Feel You know you got to bury you go to all North Day or even Sault Sainte. Marie and people want you know there's kids out there who want his autograph and and I mean I can I mean as a teenager? I'm sure that can be overwhelming it sometimes and his his career I feel like his hockey career is just is is escalating and skyrocketing really really fast and then able to handle that in a professional manner. I could understand it actually in Berry the one game that we did together when I went out to the bus. Funny Story Jesse, and you know there's always the people waiting till sign the autographs and stuff and they're asking for Quinson and I said, well, I'll go I'll sign. I said I'll sign. There the kids look it going wider new declares the locker lasting. You know my said well, come on. I'll sign for being another. I just walked away all yeah. He's coming. He's coming but anyway, they don't want me to sign it. No Take Ryan. Brian just watched by Brian Brian just you just keep walking right now I don't stop I talk. I like to interact right? It's fine while way so. Let's get a little bit into the weeds on his skill set. So many US corey prawns scouting report because he he's nice enough to break it down into some numbers, their subjective, but they're easy to follow. So he lists by field skating. He gives them a great of fifty five which He says as a as above average for the NHL but he ranks as sixty if you take into account the fact that he's six foot four so. From Brian I mean he is seventeen or on our own Jim Fox. Has said that he believes that a player skating styles pretty much set by the time they're eighteen. How good is his Skating Brian I would say. Seventeen right I mean he's a big boy. He's a big boy and I, remember being surprised even when I went to I, think I interviewed him. Maybe the first month or so even I even when he was younger I couldn't believe how big this kid was and I I think that definitely an area that could probably improve but he a for his age for his size man, the guy can move. It's trying to find a weakness in the guy is sometimes challenging to but just this kid's GonNa grow still and and I I think he's GonNa get faster and. More untouchable. He's already pretty fast though. I would say it's tied member going to piggyback a little bit again with Brian Sane but I'll tell you what I remember calling. Actually his I always joe goal in wealth and was game one of the season two, thousand, two, thousand, eighteen season right or To two thousand eighteen. You broke away just the dynamic speed for a sixteen year old and I was even like my job rocks. He skated by to wealth defense been right in between them the defense just like, Whoa, what's going on floor him back in good night for your first. Goal. That's set the tone right there for me seeing his speed. He's so quick underestimate I tell you. There's a lot of scouts out there that are underestimating his speed and he says, Brian in Brian's right how each just GonNa get better with the speed and again he's only seventeen. He's GonNa get faster. And bigger. Based on the clips on some of the reports I read, it's not just sort of point to point speed. It's also the ability to to turn on a dime to stop to cut I mean Brian how how diverse is his skill set when it comes to skating? I would say pretty diverse like I. I mean I like we saw again one of the Games that I did were at home at the Sudbury community reunited a little bit on the road I would cover the Games in. Areas Sainte Marie and North Bay I would say. I mean, yeah. There were moments I. Think we're was because he's he's an incredible player moments that you would see. All right. He's only sixteen. Seventeen years old because there's a play there. That you can tau was maybe more of A. For lack of a better worker to selfish play as they would use an hockey obviously and I think every player goes through that development process. But overall, the kid is so diverse and he has he just has incredible vision for the ice and finding his teammates and it is quite something to see. Look sorry Michael. Transition into puck skills. Now, prime men rates him a sixty five. This is out of eighty by the way not one hundred not sure why he chose that. That's spread but he says he has truly elite hands and he considers it the most impressive part of his skill set. Now, it's not often that you see a guy at six foot four have. Great hands as well. I mean you mentioned connery David earlier Brian. But Mike, you know being able to skate quickly but also think quickly move the puck quickly are pretty rare but to combine them is even rarer still Would you say his stickhandling is very good excellent elite where would you rate that? I'm I would say elite. I would definitely say elite right now not just say not because I worked for the subway wolves or anything like that and I would say if it's Not Good but Elites it's. He I've seen him stick candle. Stick. Candle around guys. MAKE THEM FALL DOWN Put it off the boards for himself and an still stickhandling go around the net maybe about three times around the world still has the puck on his stick and skate just skating around can link guys are trying to take it off and he's skating back and forth to candling I. I've never seen a seventeen year olds stick candle like this and I'm going to compare in the Oh up to Connor mcdavid this is. This is an he's just going to get better at that skill I mean. I was just blown away by stick ailing. It's unbelievable. Yeah. Comes to his strengthen speed in his vision everything combined. It's it really again is something special to witness? Let's talk about the shot. Prominent ranks it as a sixty sixty again, which is like top third in by his rating system Does he have a shot that he leans on more than others Brian? Walk it's funny because. Now that I'm thinking of quitting by field the shot that I am I. Visualize him making majority is like a quick snapshot like a rich shot. They think that they don't see him take a whole lot of slapstick dot split. His accuracy is is. Is a real good. I would say, yeah when it comes to the majority of shots that he thinks probably. The Rich Shot Snapshot? Would you agree with that? All one hundred percent I was just thinking I was shaking my head yes. Yes. Yes. Everything you're saying. The number one shot would definitely be the snapshot that I picture my mind him going to the only time I. See him taking a slapshot is when he was on the point on the power play. Right because he was, you know he's a guy that. quarterback powerplays well, sometimes right. I mean Cory Stillman with throw five forwards out there and buy field would be on the point and that's the only time. I would see him take a slapshot are than that. It was always a quick snapper and boy, it was always labelled for the top corner or. Bottom corner he always knew where that shot was going you most of the time it went into net. That's for sure. Let's move to physicality next prom unlisted at sixty five, which is a bit better than most of the other stuff. Now, there's two different kinds of physicality. There's proactive and reactive and I think most people see a body like Quinton by field has six, foot four, two hundred and whatever it is pounds and they want you know maybe like an Eric Lindros type who's GonNa throw around his frame and and dominate. In the boards and sort of bully players around but there's also. Reactive PUTT protection fighting off the defenders Etcetera. He doesn't strike me as a big bruising type of guy, but it is able to use his frame Brian to protect the puck to keep defenders off of him in conjunction with his speed Oh hundred percent hundred percents and going back against his size is frame his his hockey sense. We saw I feel like a Mike agree with me disagree. Whatever you'd like. I feel like as this past season progressed and especially when he got back from injury I feel like we saw that even more for him as his game was improving Commun- really protect the PUCK and uses body more like started to understand more. Hey, this is capable of doing not only defending myself defending the as well and using it to my advantage. I totally agree with me and he has the ability to use light utilize physical tools in space right i. mean that's the big attribute to his game and you know what? He's constantly looking to send pox dangerous levels of the ice as well. You know and but his his size man a just got better and better during the year with him using it I mean his rookie year he kind of didn't really use his physicality that much his rookie year but this year. He used it in the beginning of the year a little bit, and then he just got more physical or physical or physical, and like I said earlier, I seen him just wall up a guy into I can't remember the Windsor Player into the Windsor Bench and my job dropped. It actually didn't say a word for about two minutes because I was worried about the Windsor player if he was. Okay. Bottom on. Dirty hit at. All right but. He just got better veteran. With his physicality well, I was GONNA say to with that the game somebody gives us up separate. I know the fans would typically just erupt because when he see a player like that, you don't often think of of that particular player throwing those big thunderous hits and I feel like it was you know it was almost like quitting like the surprise fans of what's that? Much. True. That an opportunity to. You know just throw his body around in a completely legal way not dirty or anything. Knowing how to Get some more momentum on his team's favor but I will say his in regards to his physicality his board plays is is a huge part of his game because I'm just visualizing now quinton cycle out of the puck and he utilizes the hordes, utilizes his body. So well, shield the from defenders. He's able to kind of propel himself away from the boards away from other players. And it just becomes like a magnet for other players where they just kind of look at them and say, you can tell what's going through their mind like what are you going to do right now I have no idea and he just has that ability. Absolutely. I. Just a little just little piggyback. Again, what you're saying you look at it this way by feeling into this draft. I mean with guys like Tim stood soul that are probably going to go top three as well. Who Will Top three? That's what makes by feel better than studio to me the way I feel in this draft because of his size, the way he's physical on the Parkway's able to shield the puck and protected, and that's one of scoot stools. downfalls they're saying is his physicality and by field has that so and a lot more than a lot of the players in. The top ten as well. So I mean Yeah. He's going to be a high pick that's for sure and that's what separates him is is size and his physicality. It always strikes me as an odd criticism. I mean kings fans are very familiar with large Centerman obviously Andrzej Kobe Dr six four. Jeff Carter. I think either six, foot three or six foot four now Gabriel Velocity Also six foot four. But when the kings were contending for the Stanley Cup, right the the the book on them was other big tough heavy team they wear you down but it's not like onto Copa Tar was throwing out body checks left and right? It's not like Jeff Carter. was punishing people in the corners they were just they were just big and they left it to guys like Muhsin, Mitchell and Scuderi. King and Nolan to. To Dole out hints like that So it sounds like by field would fit in. Perfectly. Let's talk about his hockey sense because that's the area that I see getting the most criticism and. It makes me frankly a little uncomfortable just because of without dwelling on a too much the racial element. The notion of Shukla as the intellectual skilled player in by field is the physical Marvel not saying that this is why these evaluations handed out, but it does just sort of fit a historical trend that makes me a little bit uncomfortable but Brian, will start with you hockey sense. I mean if it feels like people are just trying to find reasons not to anoint this kid as perfect I agree lawyer. Oh. Yeah. Definitely, and like I said, you know it's like with any any young player. There's always there's always gonna be something that you're like you know what that's. Obviously needs to improve on his game a little bit and I think I alluded to ten of briefly earlier in our conversation that there were times especially. be early last season or even the year before where economy psalm and he said like this kid is amazing but you can tell is age kind of Sean through a little bit. There was a play that maybe you know you could tell he just gonNa held onto the puck a little bit longer than he probably should have. But I would say is hockey senses real good. I mean I know we're talking about his shots. A. Few minutes. I know a shot and he's been compared to the likes of even. Ovechkin a Ross Mathews. But his hockey sense. Is really good and and I honestly even this past year even with time of injury I saw an incredible improvement in Quinton and I know the time I was really curious going back in the world juniors when you know there's a whole lot of criticism on him because you know he had I think it was the last game or so you had one shift or something and he was fourth liner There was so much criticism and I was like, how is he going to react or houses going to affect his game going back to Sudbury, and and honestly his hockey since I honestly saw a constant improvement even though there was that whole situation That was my own personal take. anyways is hockey senses is is is really good and again, I just I really did see an bourbon. Talked about the World Juniors I mean look at it. This way to even like you like you said, he was playing on the fourth line, but he didn't really play that much in the world juniors right. Because you know he played for Dell Hunter and Del Hundred hecuba coach. Of course, you know his everybody knows his resume with the London Knights. Probably Always a winner. Whatnot but he didn't play that much but. You look at it. This way the projected number one, pick this year Alexis La Frontiere. Didn't play that much either for the world you're in the world junior team Canada when he was seventeen right? And then he came back and he just. Ripped it up pretty much in the cute and that's pretty much what Quinta dead. You know like you know he took that as a experience. He was happy to win the gold medal to be a part of it. And you know like I he didn't play them much. He could play more but he did it That's still hunters decision. Obviously but you know he came back and he was just the same guy didn't take him long to get back to where he was. That's for sure. is an elite player. Let's read a quote real quick from Cory Stillman coach of the Sudbury Wolves. He says, quote Quinton has a complete game. He can play in all situations. He's big. He's strong. He skates extremely well for a big guy. He makes plays he makes people around him better when he wants to, he can go win a game by himself. He hounds poxy creates turnovers by himself through his skating and how strong is now I'm going to focus in on four little words from that quote when he wants to. now I'll start with you Mike. We he's dealt with We know he's dealt with injury with the. Being into the spotlight. I'm a firm believer in. We'll beat skill is that when he wants to included in that quote because maybe he needs to get to a point where he wants to every night or is that just you know? Is that just a toss away modifier? Pasta Way modifier I don't think you know I think he's he's GonNa get to that point. Ari Scratch excuse. Me Already is at that point and he's GonNa get even better than that. How many big goals did he score this year for the sub rules I mean. For to take the lead to tie the game, he was always out there in big situations, I think stillman. He said was he nailed it right? I mean he played every situation that he played the power play played Penalty kill you played you know five on five he was dynamic. Let's. Just talk about when he wanted to you know I I don't think he meant anything by that. That's for sure course. I think that's you know I feel that he. He played one hundred percent every time you got on the ice. and. Everybody will actually tonight his wealth, right? Almost, the same thing. So but he's dynamic man. He's something else in I won't be surprised. Maybe number one you never know. Obviously. He's a kings fan. All. Right. Okay I guess that means we get left on your. You never know right away. There's going I mean, especially draft but this is a great a great. A great draw for the child is year. That's for sure lots of goto child tolerant probably angle top ten. So you'll get a good deal a good player up there. That's for sure. Yeah. No kidding and a quote from Quinton Field Brian I always want to be the first guy in the puck I'm never afraid of going into a battle I liked to play fast I. WANNA use my speed to win races and use my speed to set up my teammates. We've heard a ton especially out here in. L. About the changing landscape of the NHL moving away from slow plotting big guys that can hit you know to do quick fast little Haiti players. But of course, you see the Saint Louis Blues the, Washington Capitals Win using a combination of size and skill is a player like Quinton by field more or less valuable if the league does in fact, move to this smaller more skilled model that people are talking about because I mean apparently he is fast and skill he just has it in a huge frame. Yeah I would say hugely valuable for. Reclaiming their hands on on Quinton vizquel. He does have the you know as we mentioned a few times in this conversation, the ability to to just fly down the ice he's got the ability to have real soft hands as well. playmaking ability is is unreal and the anal say he goes to La goes to a different club whatever it might be. I. Feel like he has the diverse skill set to. Sit in almost anywhere and because he's not just a big four, you know maybe a little slower is fast he had strong on his feet. He's going to get stronger on his feet and he's going to develop even more skill set as well. I would see you taking big in his we're talking with you obviously via the L. A. Puzzle I think he would be a great piece of that puzzle. And you look at it look at the the prospects that the La Kings have in their pool right now. I mean. Look. Jacob, Bingham. One Akil Thomas There's another. If, if like I said if I don't know for sure if you know of course, if he goes if he goes to the LA. Kings. As, well, I mean. Man La Kings are really stocked up right now in draft in prospects. And if they if they drafted by Field Man Oh man. There's another one just added to your to your. Pool. In La Kings can be dominant for years to comment justice Again. He'll. I mentioned about his two game and you know what? If you ask them? You ask anybody he always gives credit to the coaching staff for especially of course, stillman former any chiller and he'll match not an TV interview says well. How much he's improved with that and I'll tell you if the kings get him what a pool you guys are I keep saying you guys I worked for you guys but I don't. But Anyway 'cause you know I, see the kings there anyway leading Yeah. No. But if the canes get up Quinta by field, what what a pool of prospects the king's half Awesome all want to thank both of you for joining me. Yeah. No problem. Jesse that you you keep safe up there in in California my man. We're doing we're doing all right in my room hundred by what happens outside these four walls but. Say we're safe here. Good man. It's good to hear I I got. I. Got One kid white child is while I got a boy beating boys vol with. Me and Brian always talk about parenting stuffed. In the beginning, all with Cova does tough to take outside obviously stuff like that. But now the parks are opening years slowly but surely. I, think I'm going to take him to the park not today because too hot. You're probably WANNA go home. You'll get too tired or something actually you won't get tired daddy will get tired. Anyway thanks for having me Jesse and I really appreciate it. Thank you all the best. Yet you well, I'm in northern Ontario. So it's we're already pretty secluded off the air but. I got three little ones and you know you just do whatever you stand to be safe and. Life is busy already with with hockey with a dual morning show here fulltime as well, and being a dad three is very busy but. Yeah. Be Safe where you are in the distant courage everybody to do what they need to do to stay safe. We'll do any if it does come to pass the Clinton by field is drafted by the La Kings but spends one more year in Sudbury. We expect to talk to both you gentlemen plenty in the days to come lease. Do Great I always up for it we're always up for.
Internet Voting in Indian Country (ep 208)
"Who From Winnipeg this media indigenous episode to wait on this week's indigenous roundtable twenty-first-century voting nineteenth century colonialism? First nations feels frustrated by the fact that just weeks away from its June election. It's still hasn't gotten a green light from Indian affairs to hold their own vote under their own rules. Rules that include online voting system day say is critical admit concerns of covert nineteen in a moment. We'll discuss the delay and whether turning democracy digital in Indian country is a good thing or not but first let's take a moment to thank those who cast their own kind of palate our way every month our patrons on patriots patrons like Elizabeth. Who'S NEW TO DOLLAR MONTHLY? Pledge came with this message. I've been a listener for over a year here in the US. And I love the quality of the podcast and the amazing dialogue like many. I've paused moments of motion to laugh. Cry Smile rewind and share episodes but a deeply touched me your complex conversations challenge previous constructs and emboldened my own intuitive feelings about what is wrong. They dream ways changes can work toward seven generations in the future. Thank you Elizabeth. Thanks to everyone able to support while we do which in turn enables everyone to enjoy this podcast and back around a once again are in Edmonton. Ken Williams Assistant Professor With the University of Alberta Department of drama. Hello Ken Hello Rick and McDougall Ontario Associate Professor of indigenous studies at York University Brooke piddle on a quad. Hey Brooke Steichen Brooke our topic. This week takes us to northern Ontario specifically the ticket MEG. Shang first nation a relatively short drive west of Sudbury also known as Whitefish Lake community leaders. There claim its upcoming election is in limbo thanks to indigenous services. Canada according to the Sudbury star quote unlike standard elections dictated by the Indian act. Take things custom. Code provides the ability for members to vote online on quote. Now they're election code is somewhat knew it was ratified by ban members in late. January of this year but the star reports quote approval of the minister is still required before they can be exempted under section seventy four of the Indian Act Unquote the paper also reports that the first nation is now being told that the process involves another review. This time by the Justice Department before the minister can sign off now Brooke. We obviously live in complicated times. But I'm wondering. How far does that go with you? As far as what whitefish obviously feels is federal foot-dragging. As you mentioned I mean there has been a lot of disruptions like I think there's been quite a bit of attention paid to the Primary the Democratic primary in the United States with different states making the decision to cancel The the caucuses or the primaries in different places. So I think it's very reasonable for the ticket machine first nation to want to make sure that there's a safe alternative mechanism for their upcoming vote. My understanding is that This process of online voting has been going on in different first nations for some time now or they've had mail-in ballots so it seems like they're definitely Options that are available for the first nations to not do face to face type In person votes so I. It seems like Inevitable that this is going to be a shift that happens and yeah it was. I mean Kennedy was ratified in in January late January. Thirtieth the absolute latest. But still In your mind does that give Their respective departments Indian Affairs and Justice Canada Time to get this going. I mean wouldn't it be a fairly straightforward process to to move this along to move them to to to a new regime while the flaw in your statement there rick was straightforward? Yes yes stress. The pandemic is affected my logic but yeah I know it's it's You would think okay yes you would think it would be enough time you know. Maybe covet is a is responsible for Things slowing down at digital services candidate who knows? Maybe it isn't a it's let's just put it this way. I if anyone ever talked about if there's one kind of consistent complaint about what was them in affairs now Indigent Services Canada. Any number of government organizations that handles indigenous people being efficient than swift and clear is not one of them That's been a constant complaint so I don't know I would imagine the kind of oversight needed to make sure that the election is fair and regulated. I can understand that and without knowing honestly I can't say this As if I have any information but I would assume justice Canada's very very carefully because just as candidate are the government's lawyers and they gotta make sure regulation is safe Legally for Canada. If you know what I mean and I bet that's probably one of the one of the things that's holding everything up in you know again to put it back onto Cova. Maybe that's slowing things down now. This vote is supposed to be happening in in June and it seems like they're in a bit of a a weird space because of as we know. There's a recent extension of any ban council. The WHO's WHO's next scheduled. Election was going to come up during this pandemic There were sort of given an extension if they wanted For a certain amount of time in order to extend their term by the minister yet again. Another thing that's dependent on whether the minister allows it or not and so this is also complicating this but in any case Bracket so you claim that there are other first nations. Who already do this. I didn't realize that so to me. It almost seems like well. If that's in place elsewhere didn't should that should almost be a again. My logic may be too reliant on things being straightforward here. But I would think okay. It's been done once already. At least why not just copy and paste as it were. Yeah but my understanding is. It's the entire Custom Code Right. We're just talking about the distance voting provisions If the Justice Department has reviewed the entire code. I don't know what else might be there like. Ken mentioned the might require that review. So it's okay so what one can't just pull out one piece. Yeah Gotcha okay but I mean how. How big do these custom codes get? I mean I have to admit I have not seen the particular custom code in this case but surely they aren't thousands of pages. No but it's just that in terms of the government's own liability if they allow that to go through and why they probably want their lawyers to go through every piece of it to make sure that they're they're the federal government's protected at once. The custom code kicks in. That's all I. I don't. I don't know in terms of the actual process of review. What Okay. Here's the dumb question protected from what what's the exposure here for the fits. The exposure is that they're always One okay look. Let's sort of back up a bit and look at the whole idea of a custom code and the fact that is still has to be approved by the federal government. Yeah you get to be self determining what once we once we approve it. Yeah it's it's kind of like the running joke about. Her candidate became a country because it was an active legislation by the British government. Made made us country separate unto ourselves. SORTA seems to be the continuing paradigm. The governments of Canada been following. Ever since. Yeah it's it's just to make sure it's legal. Make sure it follows all the laws because I think this still exists. Okay in you can correct me if I'm wrong and I'm willing to admit I'm wrong. But as far as I know no matter what law like custom code that a first nation passes it still has to be compliant with the rest of candidates federal legislation. Am I correct on that yes? That's my understanding. Yeah yeah so I think. That's why the Justice Department is is looking over to make sure that is compliance with it doesn't discriminate against people based on gender you know disability In the rest of the rest of it Listed in our charter of rights. So I think that's one thing they look at you. Know 'cause access like for me Access it elections are about access right so if you go online does that mean. I don't know how they've written their online Voting regulations but you have to look at how people can access the right to vote as and if if it's somehow violates something in the Charter of rights than that's why justice candidates involved So I'm I'm reading the Sudbury Star article and it says here that according to the leadership the election code was reviewed prior to the community vote. Okay we're given permission to proceed to vote. The officials from indigenous services candidate also approved the ratification process and were made aware of the timelines for ratification. An election under the custom code according to Take Mixing. Okay so that kind of throws everything. We're talking about the window except for the part will now they send it to the Justice Department? That's where I'm wondering whether there's something they're kind of like what you were a suggesting can about there may be a charter. Issue that arose. And so maybe that's where indigenous services wants some other oversight or review of it but. Yeah that's IT I mean I. I can understand the first nations frustration for sure that they've been given the signal that yes. This is good to go. They ratified it as a community. And now there's still a with the election looming. Yeah and if just as Canada is the one has to oversee this remember. That's that's not just the only job justice. Canada has right there there overlooking every piece of legislation coming up. I bet you the new gun. Legislation League new gun ban is definitely something. They're examining very carefully at this moment. You know and I bet you. It's all hands on deck with that And so again I can get. I'm only speculating. Please be aware. I'm only speculating. Furring anything about anybody's character or willingness to work. But you know I'm just trying to see. Wept would be getting injustice candidates way from ratifying what seems fairly straightforward. Okay another dumb question but I would think that this is not the first issue that just Canada would need to look at On behalf of candidates with regard to first nations matters is there not a wing or an arm or a branch or Insert Metaphor here of Justice candidate? That only looks at this type of stuff and and thus would not necessarily be pulled into the coverted. Response Yeah I don't know I. I don't know enough about how Justice Canada and Indigenous Services Canada collaborate. Okay we'll leave it as an open question. I mean and just to clarify further though that again according to the Sudbury Star article the situation. And and this is perhaps. What makes it? Unusual is that as I mentioned ratified their new code in January but they had to finish out their current two year term as chief and council under the existing act and so they were left in this odd situation where they have this upcoming election. They're supposed to have a turnover In July and so there were facing kind of a double whammy this so called governance gap that we have been hearing so much about with with regard to a similar first nations whose term came up during a pandemic and but then they also switched their code. So I don't know I'm I'm I'm trying to see it from both sides here but but I think everyone would agree this is. This is a pity way for first nations to have to operate after. Go basically and get permission from Daddy. Meanwhile hanging in the air of course is Some introduction of legislation with regard to trip which of course was supposed to affirm the rights of indigenous people to determine their own political affairs. I Dunno we'll again. They are corrected is you know paternalistic it. Is you know still colonial thinking. We're still subject to the whims of the crown. Know Even when we do get our own as we as it seems to be a sort of an implied that we get some sort of essence of self-government by their own custom code but it still needs federal. Now just because I don't want good research to go to waste. I'm curious about how you both feel about. Online voting in terms of its its reliability. Because I have to say I'm not getting a great sense about it because so even though I think on the one hand this is really interesting and I suppose in air quotes innovative that that first is looking at online voting. That said it's not seen as as reliable by a certain experts anyway. Looking at an article from the Washington Post from thousand sixteen voting online is growing. It will be in place in more than thirty states. For the presidential election primarily for for voters living overseas or in the military but at least one homeland security officials said we believe online voting introduces great risk into the system by threatening voter expectations of confidentiality accountability and security of their votes obviously leaves it open to malicious actors to manipulate the results. Npr last month had a story. About how in response to the pandemic some? Us states will soon be turning to a quote unquote relatively new untested form of Internet based voting for people with disabilities as well as those overseas and in the military. Delaware's GonNa have its primary election next month on that basis. West Virginia was the first state to allow some voters to use an APP to vote in the two thousand. Eighteen midterms and New Jersey may follow in their footsteps. Despite quote grave warnings from the Cyber Security Community. That technology doesn't offer sufficient safeguards that that's on a much bigger scale. I mean what do you feel about those concerns as they may or may not apply to first nations votes conducted in that way? While I'm not I'm not an IT specialists by any standard. But what believe it? Or not. I I can build a computer but no I can't program. Academically like in in within organizations like the University of burn it whenever we have elections for various administrative positions that served the faculty using online voting system. Just to give you an example. What it is. It's tied to your university email. You have your pin once. You've registered that pen and used it the activates it and therefore you voted now. That's based on the fact that there were using a system that identifies the users that is unique to that institution. So that's you of a male We each are given a specific kind of ID that students staff and administration faculty so within a closed system. A small system of it is safe it is effective and is very fast and efficient and I think most first nations would mimic a small system. Because we're not talking about millions of votes were having to deal with only talk about thousands At the most so as long as it would it would involve the damn treating form of identification process. That is reliable to them And that's the far as I can say about that. It's it's no better or worse in in terms of security than any other kind of voting system. Mail in or even going in person really. We have scrutineers elections for that. Very reason right So it's it's it's depends on the system. They set up. We'LL BE AS EFFECTIVE AS SYSTEM. They set up. You know that's I know. That's kind of a bland thing to say but it's not any better worse. I believe than traditional walk in at the ballot box. Drop your vote. So you're not. You're not spooked by CYBERSECURITY experts. Well not not. You're not spooked by those cyber security experts. Who who feel that. It's too open to abuse. I wouldn't do it for a large federal election. Wouldn't do it even for a provincial or city election but something like it We're talking about limited number votes. There's only so many votes are they're funny. You should mention provincial. Because again in my previous research I I was surprised to learn that. N W T became the first jurisdiction in Canada to use online voting in a provincial territorial election for its nineteen members to the deputy legislative assembly. You could vote online as early as three weeks before Election Day as long as you registered for what they call an absentee ballot. Hand so again. This is still That I could see why. That's effective because the deputies a massive amount space right you know it's a huge territory of course most populations live within Several small cities but they are spread out. So I don't know again. I think it's because it's on that scale. It's it's it gives me less concern safe. It was a national election. What about a county of over a million voters? Well because that's what's happening in the state of Washington King County for the first time ever in the United States. All eligible voters there were able to cast ballots via smartphone. Yeah and that includes the city of Seattle and I think that's when you start getting into issues again and of course he looks the election issue. Two Thousand Sixteen the whole idea of voter machines. That were hacked. Yeah you know. They were already in person voting machines again. It could get you could get Threatened Your Your. Your security is threatened through no matter of many number of ways to That you have so. It's a matter of how well you can protect yourself. That's that's what I'm saying that I'm not saying anything's perfect but nothing is perfect right so okay. Now Brooke This is interesting so I take Kens. Point that you know we're dealing with a smaller population. Let's let's stick with A White Fish Lake. It has according to its website as of last spring thirteen hundred members one hundred thirty eight households. Here's the interesting thing for me though. of those members four hundred thirty three or on reserve eight hundred seventy are off reserve and as. We know there's differing practices across. What is now Canada when it comes to first nation's being more or less inclusive of off reserve voting and I'm wondering to the extent that first nations who online route if they don't also allow offers or voting that would be kind of an incompatible thing or at least raises the question of Well I if I can vote online. I can be anywhere. So why would it be consistent to disallow offers or voting than if you had online systems have made them more complicated than well? I think they're not allowed to disallow right. They're not allowed to disallow now. I'm carrying on with the complications getting into law. There's a corbiere exactly. That's what I was thinking of too. So offer of members are allowed to participate in unreserved elections. We know that when's the last time either of you got a email or a postcard or something or vocals egg. Hey did you know the votes cut like what I was? Just GonNa say. My reserve is actually right next to thick shake so there's white fish lake and Whitefish River first nation and we do online voting than so legis earlier this year. I that's exactly what happened. I got a mail package from my reserve. There's a ballot that can either be mailed in or you're given a pin that you're allowed to do an online vote so it's my my reserve sexes. Which are saying I'm saying it's terrible And actually I just while we were talking about this. I went on the website. It's a private company that runs the runs. The online voting indigenous are not indigenous. Run to my knowledge. It's non-indigenous Park. I I mean I'm not trying to promote them by any means as just I know that it's it exists. I've participated in it and it seems to work my very active in finding their members and reaching out to them and constantly reminding them know the election days coming here the people who vote running And now be with with the Internet and stuff that we can. We can do some online sort of The forums candidate forums and stuff like that they. They're very aggressive in using so. I feel they're doing a very good job in making sure that I'm informed in. I know when elections happening and if all else fails my mother phones me. Jesus I gotta get on this. I got a I got a phone. The Band is now interesting. Though I take according to the Sudbury star is also planning to stream their nomination meeting and the counting of ballots as additional safety measures to protect their community. So all though counting about like what would they do I? I don't get that I mean we. We all watch the screen together anyway. I also share some of those concerns though about I mean not having paper ballots and an I think back to. I think it was the you know the Mexican presidential election in in the early nineties there was widespread a belief that the election was rigged. After people voted in terms of the the the the counterbalance this was supposedly done by computer system and it seemed like it was trending a certain way and then supposedly the system crashed and then when the system was restored the person who had been living in the election fell behind never seemed to be a chance to really verify whether there had been some kind of electoral fraud. Although it was suspected nice and I I remember hearing the same thing in the Bush Gore election in the United States. In two thousand there was concerns than to that Somehow certain. Us states had because they had different systems for counting ballots. It seemed that some were predisposed to Selecting certain outcomes at least that was one of the rumors so I I can see why people would be nervous about the shift to online. I mean it seems I guess that's kind of what I meant in my opening statement that to some extent this feels inevitable like certainly like twenty five years ago so many of the ships we already see like virtually all of our banking like so much of right now. Virtually all of our commerce that were engaged in it's happening electronically so that's that's sort of the inevitability of this that I see too but I I share that concern about the the ability for people to really deserve scrutineers to actually make sure that those are legitimate ballots that are being cast and they're being properly counted. We've all sort of talked about okay. We have our fair share of concerns about this system about the integrity of it. Canada has a dedicated arm's length body. Called Elections candidate should first nations pursue the same? Let's leave to the side. The question of where the money would come from for this. But wouldn't that make sense to have sort of a a standalone independent electoral oversight body that administers elections and protects its integrity including online systems. He asked leading well. There was an attempt to. Oh boy not exactly what you're describing. But just in an Ontario with National League Nation Governance Agreement. There was an attempt to bring in sort of Not even oversight per se but it would just be a an organization that would to some extent represent a niche Shabat. First nations like band councils at a what would look like a tribal counselor regional level and even though they were quite clear at least in the promoting of this and that it would not supersede local first nations that was a concern and the a Nj Was intended to at least provide technical support for election codes and that type of thing and it didn't really resonate like there was many first nations who voted on it recently and Ontario am I understanding is the majority of them did not support the G. I think I'm sure you guys can of many examples. Do this often seems to be a concern that local first nations do not want to lose control over their own programs or any any sort of mechanism really and so that the likelihood of first nations signing onto some kind of electoral authority. I. It's interesting to contemplate. I just having just watched that that vote last year it sort of crashed and burned at least at least for the Abbot Nation Governance Agreement. Yeah we intertribal federated coordinated approaches to other things on. This is why thought aloud. Why not this too but but I take your point. It seems they local communities really want to hold onto. That was there. Wasn't this one of those aspects of the first nations. Governance acted that would be like an electric electoral commission oversee all. First nations elections man. He's got a good memory early. Two thousands now. Yeah that's two thousand to two thousand three exactly at but I think that was one of the things that one of the really sticky points for. Everyone was that you can't you couldn't have one organization looking over it. Overseeing all the first nations elections just it just sort of went flew in the face of understanding like individual just the regionalisms and also the different nationhood in different traditions in this country. so yeah to that point ric think that's this. This was already considered once just before the idea of online voting was a thing and it kind of brings us full circle because once again a straightforward idea is anything but in practice and But I also remember. I seem to recall. Former leader of the Assembly Manitoba Chiefs suggesting that first nations look at coordinating their their elections at the same time as a way for administrative efficiencies or something like that but that that hit the ground. Pretty hard with a third. Now okay before we go. I just a couple more things I mean again. Don't want my research to go to waste The National Conference of State Legislatures apparently five states currently conduct all their elections entirely by mail Colorado Hawaii Oregon Washington in Utah for some reason. Maybe I'm just too analog or whatever but I sort of feel Mellon elections mail in ballots and using you know these sorta technique of sticking an envelope inside an envelope. So you don't know who in you only get registered a a ballot? If you're on the list it gets mailed directly to your house again. Yes it could be open to to abuse but it seems to me. I don't know my gut just tells me that that's less potentially open to abuse than than online voting and obviously it's in Houston state so it's quote unquote tried and true My question is and I have a sense. I know what you're GonNa say but yes people who are overseas or people who aren't on reserve like people who who are quote unquote absentee they get to vote. That's one thing. That's a minority voters. What about Whitefish Lake or any other first nation doing their elections entirely by mail and not bothering with the Internet? I mean what about that? I mean would that be a stretch to do why I think it's just about people? Wanting to take advantage of the technology that's available and they probably see it as being more efficient than easier and less onerous on people like you are reliance again reliance on something external lake with the Internet you reliant on the Internet. Whoever your Internet provider is mail in ballots? Your reliance on Canada Post. But maybe it's cheaper. Maybe the cost of printing ballot Cost of mailing it out the cost of mailing it back. is going to save the money. Maybe that's another thing they're looking at as long as they can afford insurance security Then you know for me. That's that's the thing is that maybe they're looking at cost. Maybe THEY WANNA see it move forward. And maybe people get more of a sense that they're participating if they could actually press a button and then like they're saying a stream the counting of the ballots. Afterwards I would be very interesting to see. Yeah or or maybe maybe a hybrid. I mean if you're mailing it. Then the male stays in the community and then you the scrutineering the the key counting once everything's stripped out of its source envelope is counted online again. I don't what they're they're how dependent set that up like I said it's not a huge shift. I don't think and how we do things I think it's just a matter of ensuring people in it and that's That's my big question. That's my only question is do. I have the confidence that this is a secure way of casting my ballot and knowing that it's going to be counted fairly okay. And that's the problem with anything right. It's problem with you know have you ever. Have you ever been part of an election? Where you you? I mean the actual mechanics of the election. We're counting ballots MELTZER. You'd think you can count to ten confidently all Norman but then because because so much is on the line you actually you know starts wondering if the cow to dead over and over is really quite funny. The self doubt that that starts to kick in on such a basic easy thing but when the stakes are high you just like you start doubting yourself and it's really funny. How don't get me started on hanging? Chads now held Jazzman Poor Chad. Okay all right I wanNA leave asking you guys whether or not you'd think if this pandemic continues long enough let's say it goes to the time that the offense supposed to have its next election. Let's say it goes to twenty twenty one. Could we see the idea? Floated of the Assembly of first nations conducting. Its next election. This is total speculation. How much buying do you think there will be among chiefs at large for that to happen by mail or by Internet? Yeah I mean I this whole thing. That comes to mind right now. Is the parliament sitting by zoom by Zillow? Whatever is hard for me to imagine that far out I I would suspect that chiefs who deal all the time like with electronic meetings and teleconferences and whatnot would probably make it work. Yeah I do think that this is. That's what I meant earlier. By the inevitability of this this is just a trend that is almost impossible to resist in terms of relying on electronic voting systems. I I think in large part the question will be how to make those systems Seem legitimate and the security is important but also just for people that have confidence that that those systems aren't going to be hacked or corrupted in some way you know just the AFN's the it's not even if they don't have a an election for the national chief. They do vote on a variety of things during the annual general assembly and they have a tradition of using proxies people who because of the again taking into account the size of this country and trying to locate every single chief into one location. They've been using proxies for years. So you know what's the difference between that's just the physical person who votes on your behalf. If you have internet capability in your in your allowed to vote I think it's just I think they'll find a way to make it work. I think the thing that specify specific in special about how the though elects national chief is That need sixty percents right of votes. And as we've seen though sometimes those things can go quite late into the night So you constantly. Voting voting and voting As he has each candidate gets eliminated. I think it's I. I would agree with Brock. I think it's inevitable. I think it's just a matter of just making the system work. I don't think I don't see there's a massive overhaul a real a real seismic shift in thinking at all I think it's just a assuring people that the security proper security things take into account in inner done because I don't know how many people based off the Internet with their credit card. You know you're if you feel confident doing that. Feel you can set up a system. Where people are confident voting? But that's a totally fair point about the proxy voting system so But I also wonder as these work arounds of using tools like zoom and whatnot to conduct meetings. Maybe they'll build in the capacity to instantaneous voting as well Wow what a brave new world. We're in or ninety. That's not quite a FRAC- one but it's certainly a changing one and I want to thank you both for sharing your thoughts on this. I vote. This was a very interesting conversation. I sent my vote by email. Did you get it at the three and Brock? I think you majors in. So we'll we'll find out what you thought of today's discussions and a couple business days. For thank you lads. That's it for media and digital episode. Two hundred eight recorded the early afternoon of May Ninth. Two Thousand Twenty. Thanks again to Ken. Williams Assistant Professor at the University of Alberta's Department of drama and Brock Pittawan quote associate professor of Indigenous Studies at York University. I'm Ricard thanks for listening. 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95: Mikey debates with Two Boston Guys
"Welcome to the planet Mikey podcast episode ninety five powered by resonate the greatest dispensary in Massachusetts located in Beautiful Wister, at eleven ninety-one Millbury Street for all your cannabis needs purist CBD, the finest products from a company that cares about you go to I resonate dot com resume the official medical and recreational dispensary of the planet Mikey podcast. Okay here we go. Crazy and wow stay. Don't touch Brady. Facts. Data and stay tuned. GIGGLED last. To the. Episode Ninety Five we're GONNA really try hard to make this episode fabulous without any politics about any subculture drug references. Without any. Meaningless filthy. But no nudity. We we had some complaints about the nudity last week not from the podcast listeners but from the neighbors here in Sudbury, it seems. They will they WANNA keep me. Let me stop you right. Dan Might I'll put my shock current. Okay. Make sure you put both of them on. The SUDBURY PEOPLE WANNA keep near the top of the list for quote towns people would like to live in and the pre podcast walk. We took last week with Ben on his dog leash while he was naked off an entire firestorm of complaints here in Sudbury was scenic little town Ben Course made it worse by pooping on somebody's lawn. Right while they're playing with their kids and of course. Neither Smitty I remembered to bring the poop pickup bag. This. Go wrong. Were that. We've got to. We've got two great guests podcast. They're both hilarious comedians in great friends of the podcast. But I, I just want to tell this story if you don't mind sad story. I got a tweet. Tweet from a twitter follower named Seth. This weekend said that he said Mike Your podcast could really be great if you would just fucking try. Time I've heard that exact language in my five-decade. Radio career. Let me just tell you a little story here trying too hard sucks. I had a crush on this girl in third grade do can I tried too hard? I tried to let her know that I loved her that I wanted to marry her that I thought about twenty four hours a day. But when I showed up at her house with flowers and no pants, her parents call the cops and. Then Dawn Duke had moved to Texas. I was heartbroken. So what happens next I fall in love with a sweet and lovely Jewish girl named Melissa I convert to Judaism just to try to get her I didn't want to lose her and I even had a second circumcision which really fucking hurt. Turns, out she had her eyes on Irv Goldfarb the whole time because status loaded. Not to mention that was better looking than me. So sometimes, I'm just trying to tell you trying hard can be bad I fell in love with gymnast one time I got excited this gymnast I saw her do a split a cheerleader tryouts in high school I tried to do a split. You know to impress her and I guess what a ripped by Grendel I ripped my Grondahl and half. And I trust her during one of the routines and she got of course, will hospital for life. But what's in my fault because she was overweight? said. That they put him down and that's an opening monologue. Should send that right off the colleges over at Emerson to teach kids how to be in the entertainment business. But that's an opening monologue right ladies and gentlemen. We have two guys who try to every week wack off is it wack off pie or Wacko Pie. Whack up. Tony, V.'s Jimmy. A ton to Boston guys who liked to Wack Cup of Pie and who doesn't. Right. And I would you say that? Yeah, that's the status starting I've ever. It is. I'm I'm in tears over it's GonNa take off one of my socks the dry my eyes. It makes it more said when when you realize it actually happened. What. What guys? What is your favorite Pie each of you? seriously. Don't you first because I know your answer. Yet he line key lime pie. Jimmy. Pike I'll my God. It's the best thing that's ever happened to the planet. We saw American pie get pretty excited over Fi. Apple Pie. Bike and do it to you. Know what they the worst thing is I'm a big I was born in February. So Cherry Pie is my favorite. You know why? Cherry trees smell. Because George Washington George Washington cut one. tweet. Carry under sure I get a fifth grade joke I just had to bring it back for the case. Be Let me. Let me say this the in that, all that sad tale of woe that you said at the beginning of the show via a Pi. Pi Never would let you down. That's right. I do love Pie so. Your podcasts going great. You do one every week I, listen all the time I subscribe. Because you guys fabulous fabulous. But what was supposed to do with you shitting all over my home state of Connecticut? What was that all about? Well. You know I finally can't continue with Connecticut by the end of it and I've summed up in Connecticut this way it's a bunch of trees broken up by collision repair centers. It's a great place to get busted a car wash I. got that I got that on my resume. What you do there well, I was store. Without. A car. On. Nobody was it was high enough to go through without its two o'clock in the morning I I was coming back from taking my TV show in Boston any C. and I got home around. You know one o'clock in the morning was in Vernon Connecticut and my car was filthy. So I pull into Mr, sparkle car wash at two am. I'm throwing. Cores your quarters in there and I you know sucking you know those vacuums are loud right? All of a sudden is a tap on my shoulder and it's a cop and he says, what are you doing I got the hoes lit I mean he doesn't he can't hear it for Christ's sake. I said I'm vacuuming my car and I put it on his shirt a little bit to show him that it was on. He backs me up in the car the flashlight and spaceman had left a little bag in the backseat. Well, anyway, I got busted for possession of marijuana. And it made all the Jaffa Cop and they're gonNA get a little. Yeah. So that's Mr Sparkle and that happened on four, twenty, April, twenty, nine, hundred, ninety, four. In, of course, you'd be smoking that. Holiday. I got over it though my career your shit the. Learning Connecticut. Also, the home of Ryan's Deli yet right. Well, I heard you talking about the podcast Ryan's Deli courses a famous stopover in the Vernon? Exit. Exit Sixty, five or something. and. It's a very famous because it's the best Jewish Deli between. New York. City and Boston it's The only one I it definitely is. The. Best Yeah they do. They do a really good job there, and that's right. That's about honestly that's a half mile from the car wash in which I was busted. So and my ex wife came from Vernon. Connecticut? Yes. So I'm very familiar I grew up in the next town over in Manchester Connecticut but where were you in Litchfield? I we were staying in Litchfield I had chosen more. And fair failed and Richfield. And you were opening for. Opening for somebody they opening film. Yeah. Opening for bill Burr right. Right. That's right. That's right. So you take show at a place called self farm and it was literally the side of a hill. Where people there. Yet. Yeah. It was jam came out to build bill me what are you guys doing for shows though? No me you. People are doing drive in shows didn't do one Tony. Yeah we'll get one down the Cape and I get one in. Rhode Island. And you know I. I. Don't know if you've ever got a beeping ovation, but I have gone. So how how did they work that they sell the tickets like they do the drive in tickets is their food I mean people get still get refreshments. I I think a refreshment stand was open. They weren't. Wouldn't let us out of our little area, but they would sell a space car and then you get the space next week so you could put shares out. And then you you muggles up onto big. Drive in interior screened and. You. Know it went surprisingly. Well, it was really good. That's pretty you know you guys should play the endelman drive in down in Mendon you know. Get Get Kowloon Decatur it for you to I gotTA drive in joke for you guys you drive in jokes. I categorize all my jokes so these. These kids are in A. Young teenager in the backseat of the car at a drive in and they're you know they're going at it and they they get all done and the guy says to the to the. The woman he says she's if I'd known you were a virgin. You know I would've taken more time and the girl says if I know you had more time, it would have taken off my fucking pantyhose. Would Jimmy what was your favorite pie? FAVORITE PIE is. Nice Apple Pie. Old School Traditional Apple Pie with chuck ice cream next to it. That's my favorite. You are an American surfer boy I am an American. American man. That's for sure. So what are you guys have planned? Not only with the podcast being two Boston guys. Wacko. papy weekly on Apple and other places you get your podcasts. Yeah. But yeah, you can get him wherever you get podcast I I. I was heartened to hear that this was actually a podcast because when. You know you said they were GonNa, call me on the phone I thought you called up everybody to do show. What? I don't. You just call people. On the throne and get a show like one person at a time. Refreshing. Well, it's a long show because we got big thick phone books here. Do you ever use the phone book? You guys to Prank people? You just look up funny names. You do. Not For twenty years, well, not not. Not, at an adult. We used to call this in Manchester Connecticut. Phone. Book, we had his area where there were people became a B. O.. Clyde buber it was Gerald. Melvyn Melvin boomer. Ethel. T booty we call them all and I'd say I'm thinking okay you're Mr Mrs Buber Okay and you're going to have a baby boy. So you say, what should we call House Clyde. By the way let's get him a little baby cloudy for the rest of his life with big shoes I mean what the fuck is. Do, that to a kid, you know. Clyde Oh Mr. Mrs Buber your so Clyde and the principles calling your house he starts laughing. He's like that's just terrible but anyway, prank calls a site. What are you guys doing now you're going to go you've got something cooking. You got something big you would would you like to promote something? I. Think. Why wouldn't wait? Let's promote something. We've never had anything to promote and I'll tell you what it is. Jimmy can say you find it because I don't know anything. That's we on. October second, we got an album coming out to bars in guys, and then on the sick of October, we got a, is it a it's not a video. AD specs. Comedy Right Yes your is in here with your ears or whatever however. You have an audio album coming out and then and then a presentation to follow on the Sixty Bucks Tober. One it's a one hour comedy special Tony Doing stand up and also We're doing some man on the street. Yeah a little his little the Boston Yup. Great Molasses Flood. I remember. I. Heard About that. It's a really cool. It's really cool comedy special and it's We ticked down at the at the door with theater and. It it was an way you know great audience, Really Great Night Tony, and I do what our best stuff and how do we hear it and finally something that we're proud. How do we? How do we see? Yeah. Where where can people get this audio? Yeah. It's GONNA be on. Amazon prime it's going to be on Apple TV. It's going to be on video on demand. Sir? All you gotTa do is go to Boston guys dot com. And now is that with the number two or T. W. O.. W we spell it out. We keep it formal. Okay. Good good. Go Two guys. Two. Guys you number two You don't want to see. Oh that's that. That's that rate might turn website. To number two here. Yes. So Watch me stab this number two number two pencil. wwl Dupont. Give anything away. Okay. I'll just say this. If, you're slow enough to get overtaken by molasses. Youth. Right in January wasn't. Cold Molasses. Pablo Sandoval slow. that. seriously. Shit I'm so glad. I don't want him to die or anything, but I I would be just as happy if he didn't live that long that. I. Got A. Let's be honest. It'd happened two hundred years ago so. There's no. Nobody still around. Yeah. There's no molasses survivors that are going to give. Shit. And if they survive, they'd be all working at Ihop or something. Hey, I have a commercial here. This is a huge. Guys don't smoke. Yeah. You don't smoke weed but I got I got a lot of friends who do and the best dispensary in the Commonwealth. Its resonate in Worcester, okay. People come from miles around and they sponsor our fabulous podcast right here from the top grade flower. To vape oils tinctures. Gumy's baby. Cannabis products. 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It got a lot of stuff going on and we're going to ask these guys if they would. Because tonight, we're recording this the night of the presidential debate. So I'd like to see if these guys would like to assume some roles here. What do you think? Short before we do that, can I use? As she question sure I just WanNa make a comment on that that commercial read because I listened to a lot of radio. One of driving around you hear people going you know I went to this dentist and I had my teeth or I called these people and they cleaned out my gutter you know when I call bullshit on everyone. Sure. But that that that resonate read right there was just fantastic and you could feel it. Yes it just felt thought that Dick. Because, I sincerely believe that that you think the places like it'd be like. Well. Not only that but. Obviously believe in every product that I endorse and that's why I had my hair transplant surgery done. It can't misery at. At resonate. Can you plant some seeds? It'll grow back there the doctor lenders. So you guys you. You clip off some year. And That's a good way testing it to for content now, I know that you guys I don't care or know if you guys are either Republican or Democrat in the day and age even asking that question alone is problematic. So what I would like to, I would like to throw some issues at you that might be in tonight's debate and we won't know okay. But I'm going to have you take one side or the other who wants to be the Republican who wants to be a Democrat or who wants to be trump and who wants to be Biden's youtube guys. What do you? What would you like to do tall? Well I. Mean It'd be fine since we know how we both think. Obviously the would be trump and. Say. All right here we. Twitter. Okay I need to. I need a fifteen seconds synopsis sized opinion on these major issues into in tonight's debate from both new presidential candidates and may God bless you both of your hands around the Bible we're ready to go. The first issue is and we'll ask MR trump this first jimmy trump yeah. They're. County Tony Trump Tony trump. Okay. I'm sorry I got that wrong. It's the hare law and order BLM and Antiga Mr. trump yeah. Yeah The L.. Beckham Beck had. And Kifah. I use on my windshield. Greatest thing I've ever use. Rain doesn't stick. It's fantastic. Best thing. Ever lot of people talking about it a lot of people. He's the law and order candidate. Yeah. I'm all for law and order. I'd like the law part better. Gets a little boring when they get into that courtroom. Order in the court. All right Mr Mr Biden Mr Biden over here over here. Mr Rider okay. Supreme Court appointment. Amy Coney Barrett, your thoughts on her. I like waffles. It's a good point. That's a good point. I'LL CAN'T ARGUE WITH I think he's got an earpiece he's getting his answers fed to him. Mata people talking about waffles great waffle. Any people like him I talked to pull off leaders all the time they. Endorsed the Waffles, the great waffles made me America. I can see his side. But now, the next topic is the in nineteen response. What do you think of the whole cove nineteen response here in America Gentleman? I drove. Cove nineteen. had the hood mask. Didn't it? Gentleman I need your opinions on the L. Jeep yet the LGBT writes in America for first of all, do you know what l. g. t. and q stay in for? Lettuce. Walker, Molly. Spicy meatball. Guys. You, want you after this next question, we want you to stick around for the musical part of the program if you could. Meanwhile you're both candidates both had your issues when it comes to how you treat women publicly. Give us your best thoughts on pussy grabbing versus hair sniffing. Well. Fernley where I put my finger on that one. This guy wins. Conceding the election. Tony. And Jimmy done on the podcast. Now, we have a special guest performance for not for for the entertainment of the listening audience put for the entertainment of our two guests who if nothing else are cultured people and. They appreciate musical. Excellence. So we've brought in Joe. Castiglione. And Jerry Troop Yano for another duet back together again, and we'll get your comments in this sense here they are you ready over here Jesus Jim. What I was a little boy. General would call my name. Below I'd say now who do. You. Think you're fooling can you believe in? A consecrated for. Bull, Singer, and on. Sunday choirs. Loves me. She loves me. She gets her knees at huts me. She loves me like a rock. Chirac's me like the rock of ages and she loves me true. My turn. When I was groomed to be a man. Joel would call my name. I'd say now who? The Fuck, you think you're fooling ask why? Consummated. Man. I gets a little. Sure. Match my Mama loves me. She loves me Joe she gets down on her knees and hugs me. She loves me like a run Darrell Strawberry. She loves me like a rock of ages she loves. It pretty good job on that rope. To Joe. The president and the Congress called my name might say Joe. Fuck do you think you're fooling? Trump. I. Got the Presidential Seal Right here. I'm on the presidential podium. Mama loves me. She loves me. She gave my dad I. Have A, sister She loved me like a rock. Chirac's me like a rock bravely she me. Thank you. Thank you. Ought. Believe it. Can you believe me? The best thing I ever heard Joe Castiglione say ever. Yeah, he's a he's watching a game and there's a guy named Dave Otto pitching on the mound the left-hander for Cleveland. It was a tight game eighth-inning tie game men on base and I hear Joe say and here comes the two to pitch from the soft throwing left handed pal and drum. Jesus. Right Hey Tony V and Jimmy Dunn. Guys and good luck with the album and with the TV show and with the two Boston guys whacking apply. It's two Boston guys dot com. Dot Com. Yes. Okay. Yeah. It's great catching up with you. I only wish I was in that basement. Well, we'll get you in here. Watch this covert thing is gone to. Can't imagine any kind of Colbert would live in that bucket. Have a good night guys. Thank you. It's a studio. Studio. You bessette at the studio and I'm. Right Now our next commercial. The wait is finally over. Are you glad football back? I did extremely well, last weekend I would talk about the specifics, but I can tell you one thing that got wrecked by Atlanta. Atlanta man they were minus three. I would have hit a triple parley if they had just done what they were supposed to do. But Anyway, that's beside the point Ben Online Dot AG and get your options to wager anyplace better better options to which your than any place online game spreads totals. Player coaching props, all that is happening a bed online ag. Go there today take advantage of their sign of Bonuses Online that AG, your online sportsbook experts.
Episode 314: Summer 2020 Sold Report update for Toronto/GTA/Ontario region
"Hi I'm stubbins I missed. Celebrity assistance certified lifestyle, manager and time management expert. You can find me at take it easy, conscientious dot, com and thanks for listening to the Rockstar real estate real estate podcast show dot com. Good Morning, Toronto Real. Estate unfiltered is the series. Real estate podcast show DOT com. Is The media network you're listening to? Welcome you all to this latest updates which is going to go through a pretty. Thorough. Review of a recent study that just came out from. Casa and they did a year to year. Review on how prices change from June twenty, nine, thousand, nine to June twenty twenty. And of course whenever. You're look in the rear view. Mirror obviously things. Are you know pretty clear but especially this year just to see how things have. Changed over the last six months considering everything we've been through. It's kind of a good time to do this. walk through, and of course every single one of the areas mentioned here and I'm going to go over all of them. There are twenty eight areas that are disgust within the Ontario within the Ontario Market, so Toronto GTA and then the outside areas, and it's important that every single one of you listening that either lives in these areas or know someone who lives in these areas make sure. This all. This conversation all comes back to discussing with me I. And here's the reason why. If. You don't have the absolute. Most powerful best storyteller. At your disposal win, you're trying to maximize your soul price. You're leaving it up to chance. And you don't want to be one of those people. That simply leaves out. A huge elements in the marketing equation. meaning that you could be featured whether you live in Toronto whether you live in Hamilton whether you live in Ottawa Berry Al-Shawa Sudbury. Any other places. Throughout the province. An, across the across Canada. You can be featured as my featured listing. Even if You're selling property that's. Out of the Toronto GTE area. Simply because of the collaboration and the network that I've got in place, I have someone ready. And Willing, and I've actually had people clients of my moved auto through this network. And you'll be hearing. You've already heard from one of the agents in this network. You'll also be hearing from another one this week, so you'll be understanding that. These are real people that I work with. That understands, collaboration, And they get that having your Hamilton property being marketed in Toronto to the most amount of people that I can possibly reach via my network. Having your Niagra home marketed. Via, my website, and of course via the local agent who knows what they're doing, but also on my website gives it a humongous advantage and the best part about all of us. It. It does not cost you one extra penny. This is all part of the program that works on a referral basis meaning that I have a referral agent in those areas that works with me. And I am paid from that. So you're not paying too agents, but you are getting easily times five times ten. The amount of exposure then your neighbor might be getting because they're not being featured on my podcast network. Almost thirty three thousand total downloads and growing at an exponential rate over the next decade. So you, WanNa, be part of this now and anytime. You make a move, but the best part about this is. It's really just one click. You're just visit real estate podcast. Show DOT com. Connect with me via email. However you want. And that's IT I. Take Care of all the details I help you with all the marketing specifics, and I even make sure that your property is one of my featured podcasts, so you actually get all the incredible benefits of being part of my network, and it won't cost you extra, and there's no time extra involved. There's nothing aside from advantage and giving you the best possible sold story creating your soul story way before anybody knows your properties for sale is the secret. That's what people. Don't tell you if you're if you're simply calling somebody who put a flyer in your mailbox. And you're not doing the right research on the soul stories both in your area. And maybe the area that you're moving to. You're really leaving a lot of doors on opens, and you can't afford to do that. There are in some cases hundreds of thousands of dollars, so here's the breakdown of the lesson I'm GonNa. Go from the top ten and go right down to Write down the number twenty. So in the top ten over the last year. OAKVILLE. Has had a one hundred and seventy seven thousand dollar increase in their average sale price. That's a huge number. And that's not even the biggest one, so they had a seventeen percent increase. Markham you guys had a nineteen percent increase, so that's one hundred seventy, one thousand change from two, thousand, nineteen or aura. You had a sixteen percent change. Hundred Forty, nine thousand Mississauga, a nineteen percent change, Vaughn a thirteen percent change, two, hundred and thirty six. One, hundred thirty six thousand increase. Richmond Hill you had a twelve percent increase which equated to one hundred and thirty thousand new market. You had a fifteen percent, which is one hundred, seventeen thousand. Helton hills you at a fourteen percent increase that's one hundred and eleven thousand in those of us in Toronto, had a twelve percent increase in the average soul prices last year of one, hundred, six thousand. So that's the top nine and actually number ten, which is not in the Toronto Gte area, is actually the top performing area in the entire studied area the Niagara Region. One of my very favorite places to help people move to and from over the years one of our favorite places to visit. We've gone there so many times. It's almost home. You guys in the region have had a twenty two percents increase in your average sale price since last year, so that puts you at the top of the food chain in terms of this study, and that equates to about ninety thousand dollars so almost as much as a Toronto. Made you guys made so? That's a really big thing, so those of you Niagara Region. You really want to connect with me. Make sure that we talk. Number eleven his agents with a fifteen percent increase, which is about ninety five thousand. BURLINGTON! Many of my clients have moved out that way I've got a great network of people twelve percents. That's about ninety four thousand Whitby, also one of my very busiest areas over the years that I handle personally twelve percents increase which puts puts puts up to about eighty two thousand. London, London Ontario the the home of M- much of my family, and against really great moves that have gone up that way nineteen percent that's one of the highest returns, and so that's about seventy eight thousand increase since last year. Hamilton also place that I've moved to. Ten. Fourteen percent for Hamilton, which is about seventy five thousand. Brampton went up about ten percent. So that's about seventy five thousand so now we're up to number seventeen, which is Waterloo Waterloo eighteen percent increase, which is about seventy four thousand. Pickering had an eleven percent increase. That's also about seventy four thousand. The Ottawa region which I just helped collaborate a move to their. For clients of mine from the states that had a sixteen percent improvement, so that's about seventy three thousand. CLARINGTON that had a twelve percent improvement about sixty seven thousand berry, not only have I moved the much of people to Berry Berry gone up about fourteen percent since last year about sixty, seven thousand and I'm also having my Berry representative on my podcast this week I think we've got a plan. Next Number Twenty, two is Windsor Essex region moved a lot of people out there over the years. They've had nineteen percent improvement since last year. So those of you in Windsor Essex make that your again. You're in touch with me I. Also have family and friends there eleven percent improvement sixty, three thousand. Milton a very busy area over the years seven percent up since about fifty seven thousand average price, there's about eight thirty three. Kitchener. They also went up about eleven percent, so that's about a fifty four thousand dollar improvement since last year last three or Al-Shawa. And I've sold many houses there. You guys had an eight percent improvement, so that's about a five forty one thousand improvements since last year Sudbury region. You guys have had a percent improve, so there's a lot of people moving up that way. Approximately thirty three percents, and lastly was the Thunder Bay region and Thunder Bay. Region had a five percent increase, which is about twelve thousand dollars, but you also have an average price of about two hundred sixty seven. Thousand in June twenty twenty, so that's still pretty affordable, and there's a there's a whole bunch of these of course that fall into the category of were a lot of people are moving because of Ford Ability, so there's a lot of reasons why you WANNA. Make sure that you are going through me so that I can help you a Maximize your soul price if you're living in Toronto GTE. If you're making the move up that way, which is what's happening, some of you have condo. Some of you have homes. You want to make sure that you're following every step, and then you're also in. In the position where if you live in those areas that you're also getting the absolute one hundred percent most exposure for the property that's out in Niagara that's out in Hamilton, that's out in kitchener, simply because if you're going through me, I can ensure that you will be featured on my website and on my podcast, so that gives you that added bit of an advantage and I cannot tell you how important that is right now. You really do not want to be another for sale. Sign on your street. You Really WanNa out you really WANNA. Have that added boost of being featured here again? No additional cost. Simply working with me through my agents in those areas ensures that you'll be featured on this website and on this podcast. Thanks for tuning in have a great weekend. Enjoy yourselves.
Sci-fi writer Robert Sawyer imagines the future of Canadian science
"In this podcast is brought to you by the canada foundation for innovation. I started out to be a scientist in this country in nineteen seventies. I was graduating from high school. In one thousand. Nine hundred seventy nine. And i wanted to be a dinosaur paleontologist. This is robert j sawyer award. Winning canadian science fiction writer. He has written more than twenty novels and his books can be read in over two dozen languages here. He speaks to a room of about eighty-five canadian. Researchers at a workshop hosted by the canada foundation for innovation in ottawa in november twenty eighteen. My father taught economics university of toronto and he said whatever you want to do a little research find out what the job opportunities are before you invest. Because we're going to sign you're talking ten years get. You're going to invest a lot of time. So i started looking around and at that time. One thousand nine hundred seventy nine. There were precisely three dinosaur paleontologists in canada. They're only twenty four full timers in the entire world. And so what. I thought was a crazy dream which was being a internationally. Successful science fiction writer based in toronto based in canada actually turned out to be more practicable as a career choice then choosing science in this country in the nineteen seventies after he wrote his first novel in one thousand nine thirty eight sawyer was still troubled about becoming a scientist. He quotes david suzuki. Who was also reflecting on the state of canadian science at the time they had said this an eighty seven. Give us some perspective. That's thirty one years ago. I was soon to see the difference between canada and the united states. My american peers. Starting out assistant professors like me could expect their first grants in the thirty to forty thousand dollar range. I was told the national research council of canada grants start at about twenty five hundred dollars. So there's no question that. At the time i was thinking of becoming a scientist and indeed in the early days of science in this country we were undervaluing it. We didn't have a lot of people who are making full time careers in science. We were under funding our institutions. We were appreciative of the great intellectual base. We were producing here in canada times. Change though and i've been privileged as a science fiction writer to watch those changes in two thousand and two novel of mine came out called hominids which is set in large part at what was then called the sudbury neutrino observatory now. Because it's whited mandates. Snow lab snow lab is a unique underground research facility in sudbury ontario located in a nickel mine. Two kilometers underground. The lab specializes in neutrino dark matter physics in two thousand fifteen canadian astrophysicist arthur mcdonald and his research partner won the nobel prize in physics for the discovery that subatomic particles known as neutrinos have mass. And i remember very vividly calling up art mcdonald. And i said you know. I want to write a novel at set. And he said man we've had had mystery writer come here. We weren't really happy with what they did. I don't know what do you want to do. And i said well. In the first chapter. I wanted to destroy the neutrino detector and he said you know you can do that. And he and. I actually used his scenario so immediately got engaged and i love the fact that when i was writing this novel i was able to. I was looking for a facility that was world class and unlike when i started writing in the late eighties by the early two thousands. I could look around my pick of them to write. And set novels at but i started with the sudbury neutrino. Observatory is really wonderful. Amazing facility if you get the chance to go go down have a look. I learned that snow lab has the world's deepest flush toilets in the world. And i felt bad because you have to go down for four hours. That's the only. I held that. I didn't know i should've used the toilet because then i would have been part of that record. I would assume it's like going to the louvre. Not seeing the mona lisa. And you're missing out on the whole point of the trip. In some ways setting his novels and world class research facilities idea sawyer has returned to again and again in his fiction by his twenty third novel quantum night he found inspiration in the canadian. Light source canada's national facility in saskatoon saskatchewan. It was such a natural to set it. They're just your paragraph from the novel kayla. And i made inslee canadian light source of laughter nine. Am i was amused. No street address on the university of schedule on campus was what does it forty four innovation. Boulevard i suspect the other occupants of that street were hard pressed to match the sort of things kayla described as she gave me a tour a synchrotron she said as we walked a log is an amazingly versatile tool. It's the swiss army knife of particle accelerators. You can tune it's put to do almost anything adjusting energy range. Wavelength resolution photon brightness and beam size. The researchers here do work in fundamental physics archaeology geology. Botany new fuel sources material science. You name it. It's incredible how much world-class i rate. Science is going on here. And the purpose built machines new in a way that the synchrotron was in the way that snow lab was expanded their mandate as time goes on. Who would've thought when they were building the synchrotron that one of its key areas of research would be archaeologists so incredible once you have the infrastructure in place. What can be accomplished. So you're has drawn on powerhouse. Science facilities for his novels of internationally including sern particle physics lab in switzerland and across canada. Like the paleontology department at the royal ontario museum in toronto and the triumph. Particle accelerator in vancouver. He is committed to using his fiction to put a spotlight on canadian science facilities. I never want to look beyond canada's borders. Unless i can't fulfill my fictional lead in canada for instance i have a novel called. Illegal alien is a courtroom drama with an extraterrestrial defend up. Defendant is charged with murder. The united states that means the defendant could be facing the death penalty in canada facing a stern talking to so i had to settle in the united states to have dramatic stakes but in every other circumstance i looked for the canadian answer and it has not failed me this century. So here's enthusiasm for canadian. Science stems from his vantage point of aspiring scientists turned writer. He has witnessed a transformation in research in this country over the decades and he talks about that in this interview in court at the best we've ever been but that doesn't mean we're going to be the best rule ever be in terms of canadian science research. I think we've got real momentum moving forward here. We had a nobel laureate in physics in two thousand eighteen. We had a noble laureate in physics three years prior to that. I suspect we're going to see more and more nobel medals coming to canada in the in the sciences. Also doing to see more and more generations of canadian science students staying here because there's nowhere better to go because the best place in the world to do a fundamental part of research is snow lap. The best place in the world to do all the variety of things that you can do with a synchrotron is the canadian light source. The best place in the world to do arctic research is aboard are icebreaker amazon. We have not only now the best trained winds but also the best facilities. And what we're going to see. Come out of that is our recognition on the world. Stage sawyers optimistic view of where canadian. Scientists headed carries through to his approach. To writing fiction. He sees science fiction as instrumental to influencing. How we envision our future and the role of research in shaping it. I'm passionate about science fiction. Not because this is often ruinously thought it predicts the future because that's not our job our job is to predict the multiplicity of possible futures. The smorgasbord of tomorrow's salute can look and say. Well that's terrible everybody's under surveillance all the time. There's no privacy. There's no freedom. We don't want that. George orwell reminded of or you know if we start okay you have a lot of new technologies and reproduction but if we just let men control over margaret atwood. Give a science fiction novel about that. The handmaid's tale right the problem with science fiction generally is those are the easy ones to write the dystopia. If this goes on it's going to go horribly wrong. And i felt what i'm passionate about is finding the place on that smartest order possibilities were. There hasn't been a really appetizing. one put out. I want to say if we do artificial intelligence right we can have this world where everybody is better off. If we do genomics and genetic research and the sharing of genetic information in socialized medicine context we can have better longer healthier lives for everybody. I think that when science fiction terms it's speculative back to positive futures. We can energize. Won't atlanta drives my readers. That's incidental living doing that. But it's incidental. What's important is win. Those readers turnaround energize their representatives in government. And say we want that. Give us that. Give us successful safe. Give us longer life spans. That are healthy. Give us a way to grow more crops than we ever before. Give us this future. Don't give us over the robot takeover. Don't give us the one we have no reproductive freedom. Don't give us on where we have no privacy. Choose those ones. And i'm passionate about in the advocate for the house of futures that i know because we've had hundred and fifty years now uttered and fifty one years of doing it in this country of making positive futures. Come true and we tried to do it for everybody and no other country on the globe has our track record of doing it. at the end of sawyers presentation. He reminds the researchers in the room of their part in deciding the future of research in canada. My favorite science fiction writer. Arthur c. clarke once said any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. I don't actually think that's true. I think if you get too far into magic you're violating known physical law conservation of mass and energy but the spirit of that the more advanced science becomes fans. We are here. In the second decade of the twentieth century advance will be by the fifth decade or the ninth decade of the century. The more advanced science becomes the more miraculous it will seem to the general public. The things that we're able to do you guys are getting the funding. You guys have a great custodian agency that you're responsible to cfi fi. You also have a great responsibility to your fellow men and women to make sure you make the right decisions as we move ahead into a wonderful future in which even i could have been a scientist. Had i been born today. Find more research stories like this at innovation dot ca slash stories and subscribe to the canada foundation for innovation through your favorite podcast app. Also please rate review and share our podcast. It really helps others to find it.
Kassie Tyers: Faith & Creativity in Songwriting
"Hello and we are doing a special interviews afternoon. This is Alan from Elena's country tailgate both reached out to Cathy Asi tires to ask her to come on the show. We decided hailed stewed together absolutely because I love doing interviews with you. Kathy tyers how are you my dear. Pretty good how are you very good. Good cool of now. You just released an album fricking if I'm wrong. Twenty seven uncover pretty much called. Hope singing ride. You are no stranger to zero in Sudbury because you are a Sudbury Sudbury girl yes. That's correct and you have been doing music for the better part of the last decade. Not just gap first album. Came out in two thousand and eight so eleven years ago and before that I was still wearing a little bit with the non for profit organization called BUTYL. That's kind of where I got my start Gene and you're doing some really cool things with that. It was amazing. It's a yacht you see. You're going out spreading positive messages to the young young girls out there and play music and just inspiring people. Yeah that beauty is just The outward appearance. It's it's about who you are. And that inward beauty can really shine outwardly. More than just looks or or hit hairstyles makeup clothing and so we focused more on that interview and just encouraging girls that they have such incredible value in such incredible words. A job in like tells more about the kind of what you did for the tours so I worked for this organization. It's out of Winnipeg so I moved there for three years. I two thousand seven to ten in. It was such an incredible experience to be able to put on these events all across Canada. US On on my team was called the Beach Party so we had this beach decor which was so much fun. In like the tiki torches and bamboo mats and and smoothies and it was like this whole experience on girl would come in and just look around the room and be like well if this is off when we put this all on for us us and we'd have speaking sessions a live music and discussion session where we would talk. Okay where are we receiving messages passages about ourselves like. Where's that coming from? Is it school is it. Billboard is in movies okay in one of those messages one of the positive messages in whatever negative messages and then we we personalized it by writing those negative messages and ripping them and ed taking the positive messages and and using those affirmations by even speaking over ourselves like I I am beautiful. I am smart. I like the sheriff people on. I struggled a lot with thinking that I wasn't smart because scholastically I struggled but I have never kind of smarts I've musical smart people smarts. I'm good fairly good with my hands with fixing certain things And I'm just more tactile hands on learn and so I like to encourage people to every single person is smart and valuable and their smarts may just look different than the wait at school. School marks them and I think it's a really empowering thing it is definitely definitely I I love that you do that now. Now I for anyone who is listening. The doesn't know who you are. Please tell us a bit about yourself kind of wanted to ask that I but we got into that. But that's that's okay. You just gave us a little bit of information about you for sure. Well I'm thirty. One years old I was born and raised here in Sudbury Aw My mom. She's really musically Kinda just inherited it from her. I remember my uncle at his wedding. My mother and aunt played Canon de Dude. I fell in love with in my aunt on the violin and my my mom on the piano and I came home I started playing by ear. And she's like Yes yes. I'm a piano teacher. I'm going to teach you. It doesn't usually work folks teaching the child but I had this love for music. I was always more drawn to the stringed instruments so it was great seven when I picked up the Bass Guitar in grade. Eight or nine when I bought my first electric Qatar which was actually thirty. Five dollars without strings. I didn't know if it were a bargain auction. I didn't know if it worked but it did. And it was great and I kind of been mostly self taught him of sort of a free spirit rate music. Just feel it cool cool actually. That's one of the things are down about you. That was going to be the intro. But that's okay. We're all over the place I wrote having no new you for the better part of a decade. Now I've come to know you as a determined artist. You're passionate about your music. You haven't adventurous spirit and a giving in heart. Wow that was beautiful. I get to next bio oh aw but it's true I mean you're very much all of those things In the time of known you you're you're constantly involved with Helping organizations nations and DOB and promoting herself to you or your best promoter Specimen things that you've done to promote your music and your campaigns campaigns to raise funds so that you can record against the part I li like of own music being an independent artists. Who has to do you? Everything everything by herself So I make a lot of calls. Some of them are cold calls a try to get warm. Call them call them so so if I have a friend who has children than off you know ask hey. Would you be willing to give this. CD to your child's principal. 'CAUSE I do schools churches says I I do restaurants. I do few weddings funerals parties. Whatever I love singing Al Sang Pretty Much Ibra uh even even Retirement homes Yes sometimes those are really helpful when you get a warm lead people on business call it But to raise money for albums Anita costs a lot of money A little bit more than my car that I just. which isn't that old it's Two thousand fourteen little civic and so. It's difficult to raise that kind of cash last year. We had a fundraiser concert. And I got a bunch of different people involved as well as businesses who donated and and we raised half of the album one night which was absolutely amazing because you know people people in Sudbury Goo no me and love me too common. Support me just it just means so much woody making up. And why are you trying to target like the kids and the families that you would play four churches or you're trying to chart make the listeners of the bar happier hitching well. I would say probably not the bars necessarily because when I go into a bar restaurant fight I kinda mix it up so saying Sarah McLaughlin oral saying Johnny Cash Elvis Presley Mental. Mix It so one cover song one original so then the song that they probably have heard before in a song that I've written So I probably would say like my target audience and done business course to to raise money to get a grant and Aladdin. It's it's difficult to say who my target audiences because I just love singing for people But I'd probably say that sixty percent of those people are probably more so families and usually a church families litter kind of more a strong fans. That's where they kind of come from. It is interesting with Youtube because y'all so many killed children's album at the same time as is making normal sue balance of well. It's not actually quite a children's album per se is called. Sing you to sleep. I actually wrote it because I kept meeting people who struggled with sleep and as someone who was basically insomniac Um I and who found hope I really wanted to take some hope and give it to other people So actually about half of our population. Canada actually struggle with sleep and so this is adults like with the more stress and high tastes. It's his understand the parade and so I wanted to create this album. That have these truths that I learned and relaxing album. That would help people falsely asleep or just just kind of as you relax and just taking a listen to the CD or some people whose it as study music. But yeah I I mean I would say that it. The people of all ages have listened to and enjoyed it however speaking of children's album that is something on the horizon because in love singing kids and it's semi on the downloadable shooting by working on a youtube channel. Probably won't the more I've never shared on radio before it's it's It's a long process but We're taking in some of my original putting blue socks in which is from my second most recent album as well L. is some public domain kids songs like twinkle twinkle in an added to it. And we have these videos and they're going to be fun. I really looking forward to probably probably GONNA take a better part another half a year year before wash before we have a twenty twenty five videos but working on that with my Ryan these videography Jonjo. He's fantastic he's in mind or so makes George challenging. Nice Nice is he. The one that did loose is the or no sorry the ventures calling me. No that was actually a local person. Was it okay. Yeah yeah he he has a business called it's Video and he's been a huge supporter of music since the very beginning and he sponsored that video and I sir grateful because that's why I like real music video. It's a really cool video to watch you on your motorcycle traveling around and and that might actually be a good segue to talk about what you recently did for a radio tour he alum. I didn't edens. It's been my dream or seven years or so to travel across Canada on my motorcycle with my guitar on the back Jack and it seemed like an impossibility because financially. I put on music money into music and so I didn't have money to put into my favorite hobby which is more recycling. I used to waste your bikes when I was a teenager. I love motorcycles There's there's something so freeing and adventurous about just being on a bike onto wheels. It's like nothing's and so I had in his dream and it seemed like it was impossible in some people that I shared with. Were like. How stupid like? Why would you WANNA do that? 'cause I'm an adventurer as Y.. Why and so last year I got to go to the east coast? I only had twelve days off so i. I did a couple of different gigs along the way I was in Brunswick with four or days singing at a motorcycle rally and taking part in the event and this year I actually. We had the amazing opportunity to go all the way to be seized so I had a month and I did a bunch of gigs long away. I finished my vocals for this new album singer. Hide in Winnipeg. That's the record label was and now it's saying producer just no record label that kind of dissolved but I really like working the join Jackie and the I got to visit family and visit friends and be in the mountains which were on real. I love the mountains. There's nothing like being by the mountains in the water like lists loop attack. You documented a lot of that on instagram facebook and it was really cool to follow you when you were doing that and we have to stress. You're not with anybody buddy. This is just you on a motorcycle and your guitar and the bare necessity to get you through. It was a quite large load Fifty CDs I have my guitar. San At my courts had small amp because I use it as a as a monitor as well as some of the GIG Zia didn't percents like this ruling amp. It filled the sound Pretty big ruling could and Phil media under the fifty people and That was quite the adventure carrying all that an opaque. Can I bring this much close. NOPE got down but but it was It was amazing. Glad brought my heated. This was about the mountains. You can have beautiful day and then at night. It rituals right down as you're going up the mountain. It's you know twenty five at the base of the mound and about ten degrees. And it's raining it's dossier and rains Raines and it's got to be prepared or worse that four letter word that begins with us. How did you plan that? Like what was your When you sat down to think I wanted this tour I feel like that's not as easy as sounds either not really mm-hmm thankfully like my dad is big motorcyclist and so he came with me for the first week which was really awesome. Agenda Winnipeg with men got hang on father's Day and it was pretty great But planning allowed it was. I actually didn't find that I could get the time off work until April something and I left ten so it was less than two months. I was calling all these places and emailing back and forth Org and trying to work it all out and some of the places that I stayed because I don't stay hotel was Dave People's homes to keep the cost more and I don't like to say auto charge George Fifteen hundred dollars for a concert. Read the malls. Just say especially when it's a church just like hey trust that all my needs are going. It'd be men and they always are and this tour made a good chunk of change with which is that especially the gas was on five. Hundred dollars remind thousand. Seven hundred twelve colon. Yeah for sure So basically yeah. It's emailing it's calling and even on the road. Oh I was calling places emailing them. Hey that they knew that your cousin lives in this place. She would maybe be willing to the up in her house for night and yeah all came together some of it a little bit more last minute than others but it didn't. It was fine. It was great and right now the mom and me wants to know like okay. You stay at these people's places it's great all place to have a shower which is so nice a soft bed to sleep on hopefully in most cases may be sometimes chesterfield. Did anyone ever say D- they have laundry that needs to be resolved definitely I stayed at like cousins. Houses stated and housing other aunt's house nether cousin's house. I mean a quarter of the time. It was probably family. Failing all over and friends will and almost all of them would ask od need laundry. Because yeah I what about five or six days worth of clothes and a month so I think I did three or four days and I love that love the title. It's awesome I'M GONNA ask but probably know the answer where drew inspiration for that Teitelbaum. IMES years ago I was on the island by Manitou. Island is where my aunt is from. We have a little cottage airman cousin who got married and I was just sitting there. I I didn't even own a motorcycle yet. I was longing to only motorcycle. Ridden their bikes. Like I said I was raised to race as a teenager. I didn't only by four round ten years in my heart just long to ride and I was just sitting there and dreaming and kind of seeing it. In my mind's eye touring across Canada and it just kind of came to me because one thing that I try to portray in in at least almost most every song is hope. And it's something that I went without for so long deep into depression for for a couple of years of my life and it's so it's something I wanna use music to to bring to people so that that's just a given me hope and then I'm singing and then I'm riding it just kind of it just kind of came to me seeing it stuck. And so now it's plastered Oliver orders over sticker and and it's a conversation star gas station and some people are like. Oh what's that. What supervising ride thing? What are you doing and talk to them? Sometimes how's it gives the CD of business car and some people even keep in touch up there. Was this one Guy Larry. We're both taking a picture of the goose overa- in Walla and I said Oh. Hey Nice bike where you going on going to be. The I just came from BBC chat for two or three minutes gave them my business car and he ended up emailing later we kept in touch. He's probably GonNa come away concert on November first and it's just really neat. How those kind of things? Because he's from South Korean green going the opposite directions. It meet the coolest people I just I love traveling. Love People's favourite. He did when it comes to venues. When you're doing stuff like that would you find as more fun to play art question because there's something unique about every venue that I go to for instance? I played at the townhouse a few weeks ago and that was my favorite time of ever play at the townhouse. I I don't know. Why would these people were in answering mood? And I had a one zero ten people dancing and I was singing some more upbeat songs. And they were dancing dancing Blasts and this time people like this isn't this isn't like a rock show. This is like me and my guitar. I've never experienced before and then I saying being a can't help falling in love with us. Clothe with all the all the couples in there you know about ten people including a daddy daughter so that was so much fun but then you know I go and I sing at a concert at a church and people seeing to be more open. I find in churches when I share I share. Maybe a little bit more in churches. We had a CD release concert in asked Nolan Friday and it was. It was fun because I had my band with me but it was also meaningful because I shared a lot and handled lots of people talking to me after after and I love it when my openness can bring about openness and having people because we all struggle no matter who we are you're rich or poor in between Whether we have a great family or not like the struggling to be honest about it is. He's a really positive in school. I love singing in schools but little kids are fine and I put on a separate show for them where it's more actions signed in and they only have to sit a little bit of time and then. I like seeing older students as well. I did a a mental health. They over at Lockerbie for the great sevens and that was great because I was able to open up with them and they opened up to me and and it's awesome like seeing students coming up to me and like especially I duNNo. Usually boys don't cop to knee and tell me that I touch their heart. But like I have this one greats boy and he came up to me with a tiered his his like. Here's Song Long unlovable. It just touched my heart and it made me cry. That's how I feel you you these opportunities to even plant these seeds of truth in people's hearts and I may never get to see kind of fat fruit route of the seats per se. But knowing that hey I think I just made a bit of a difference here. That's that's the goal of my music. It just I wanted to just be music. I want to house lasting impact. That's that's Mary thinking. Both the listener. When you make it definitely definitely I have a few people that have co written with so sometimes sometimes it's just like editing were my executive producer has been like. Oh did you take English class to graduate from high school look from first person to erred. person to first person wasn't really thinking just went. Here's the song so now. I'm better actually doing some of the editing process myself but sometimes it's good to hassle it from the outside. Say you know if you just changed a few ladies worth. I think it would be a little bit more relatable and let's think about the audience like if they're hearing these words house to make them feel and so I try to take that when I'm writing the song and so sometimes that does cause me to change the song to to make it You write a lot of things for your personal experiences and that so much of who you are as a songwriter and I think as a songwriter. It must really helped know that your experience has connected with another human being when they hear that song. Where where does that inspiration? Come from in trying to pick those moments like. What do you feel as worthy to write about? Roar is just right and this album for instance I wrote. It rewrote it at rewrote. It and we wrote it out of the four albums. This one has been chopped hopped up the most which is hilarious. Because I thought it was always going to be my first album because my executive producer did a lot of the chopping and was like okay like the melody. Audie tell what this song is about. Because we need to restructure Eric and But this album I did most of the rewriting rewriting in writing and rewriting The inspiration it comes from anything and everything it could come from watching a person struggle could be from my own stroke It can be from relationships. It can be From just a thought sparked from sermon They just come from everywhere just sitting and observing people. Sometimes I get a solid yet and so I mean there's hundreds of solid written and sometimes it is challenging to figure well which ones are recordable courting worthy and that's what's Nice about remains Melinda that is accurate and sometimes I'll just be okay either like mytalk twenty and which ones talk. which ones would you think would work best? She gives off opinion. Give to my producer and then we kinda decided those top ten eleven and it's great having a team and something you didn't have in the past when you first started back in well actually is at where we're at did start was in Winnipeg. When I started with beautifully grow they were attached to avant records and they the ones who started recording with me? I I didn't really have a team. I recorded like a few solids degree but I've sort of had that team eleven years. There is a quote that I saw on your facebook page and I have to read it because I absolutely absolutely love it You said music is a medium that breaks down barriers. Even someone who doesn't speak English can be touched by music. It's it's a miracle to be part of that to give a to give them a laugh to talk to people before and after a concert. It's a connection that music offers and love it. Thank you and and I just I love what you say here because I'm I'm pretty much an English speaking person yet I I know over the years other languages being in Sudbury were very multicultural as far as French English. So you go to festival. BOREAL was along artists. That are singing in French. Doesn't matter might not be understanding everything they say but you get the emotion and you feel that so for anyone else no matter whether it's Italian German Spanish whatever is long as emotions Russians there in the music. That's what new are giving people for sure and obviously it does help if you can understand what they're saying because then you have this double win you have the musicality of the song which that can touch a person you know. Even instrumental songs they can be they can touch our hearts in incredible lays but then when you have the words and the musicality and they come together. It's like it's like a double hook doc and I mean songs have spoken to me so at over my life and I think it's just such a like it's a gift to me. I am the eagles to write songs and share them record them and then they touch other people's hearts for me. That's what I get so excited about. It's like I get to do this like this is what I get to do. Really Wa- it's kind of like a dream come true when I first went to beautiful unique girl. I was late because I found out a month before its programs started that I would be part of this program but I already signed a a contract to play on this music teen in the Skoko so I got there and I had one or two nights in me left. Don this huge tour so the day after it got there. We have this meeting rate inside of onto record studios and he probably Ali wouldn't recognize these names. They're they're pretty famous Christian artists but Amanda Falk was now Manda Cook and star field and avant ponting's abandoned with them and a few other. Big Names Drew Brown and they're really well known as Christian industry. They've all recorded recorded in that studio. Greg savell I'm looking around and I'm like Whoa. This is a half a million dollar studio. They said I could never be that good enough to record like them and literally. We six months later recording less. Awesome the one name that stood at me of all those names you mentioned was was greg. Savell love him. I house so good I have since his solo music but in in in Canadian country he's known as many people as the keyboard player for Pauper at night right and that's why I met him. But then I got to know Greg as has as his own person his own music and I love that Gospel edge that he he has really talented. They like how especially from. The perspective of hearing has tons of from cons of music. I like how you are in one area. You know like you can be people. Listen to without having to know. Though it's faith and other people can mysterious appeared in inspirational message side of it or this your voice in else on in that box of this Christian country folk it. It just sounds like a cigarette songwriter doing their thing. It's kind of cool. I try to be intentional though that because be really inclusive than I don't WanNa will will ever come across as like this old uses. How you need to be is just Kinda like it's more story tallies here this is my story? It's not really preachy. That's it's kind of a story missing an invitation. Well I know with So many of the country out artist assume there We mentioned Paul Brandt. He always has very spiritual edge to a lot of his songwriting yet. the boys in the hundred brothers High Valley Abrahams even get into that bordering on on a possible and for me. Those are the sauce most to me like I hear them differently. They like it it. It sounds like a love song but it's not a romantic love song. It's about their relationship with their higher power. which is really cool because we all connect to somebody you know? Even if you're an atheist or agnostic you still believe in something so yeah it's it's all how interpretation. I love what you do absolutely do. Your Voice is very soothing. I was playing the new CD from my grandkids before I came today. NASA voice. How do you like it? It is I feel like that's let's definitely agree. Really good point because when it comes to writing music if it's if you're trying to hit a huge audience at his mater what it's as long as there's something that listener can grab onto rain Also I'm I noticed that a lot of your songs Are Stories but it takes. But I'm curious if when you make your like one the saucer created do you think. About what stories can I tell or do you think more about what emotional China tap into the restored. Better that way how explain He's the first draft of a song. There's no editing does no worrying about any of this stuff it's just raw here it is. Here's a wrong ocean years raw thoughts here and I just walked out Sony songs on. It doesn't take doesn't take a lot of picking it apart. It's like Whoa. Hey how does this make sense of this good and whatever the producer's like it you need to touch it. There's been a few songs link Pat So he had each song is different. If there's a really raw emotion that I'm really trying to portray then I'm not necessarily always thinking behind listener in mind like Oh will they like it always at radio. Only this I try try not anything too much about because some sometimes I've written a song and even light producer and executive Yet this is Mrs the Scorn Radio and then I put it out there. You'll even spend money for radio tracker to do it because they take them more seriously enough little artists and they don't like it so it's kind of like well you what I'm just going to be me and maybe I'll put a little edge on this but I don't change it just to cater to the radio because even if I do that it doesn't mean they're gonNA play so yeah. I results different depending on the saw. Sometimes it just gives my producer creative lights. Just hey this have what do you see And you've got to be true to you. I mean it's if it's too advocated to in a certain box and you're not unlocked represent the artists that you are then mice will not be doing it because expressing yourself through your music is what makes you you and your music what you give us and You you shouldn't have to sway from that. Yeah I agree I mean I know old people that have what's without like advantages music so for me I've had people say okay. Oh do you want to be over the record label and in Sake I thought it would be so nice to have people to do so much of the behind Maddison's work but I just kind of focus on using some cases into Batman. You're they only they say what you're saying. I just don't think that I can do that unless it was some kind of inhabitable a really on same page my goal would be. Yeah definitely of even. How songs about each tree yourselves? If I sold pulled out my knees I have to stay true to that state chewed to ooh type of music that I write and to my fans my audience to myself when I owed to them. Let's that's a good way to wrap up. I was thinking hot. Yes yes thank you so much. cassie greeted in the New Year. Great Pile thank. Thank you for for the time to go interview. Which House loved so much fun? It's nice one So you can have two shows that have the same vision kind of come together and give their platform now. It's great so we've been much costars local artist and checkout new album hosting ride or November. I actually will be our CD released concert which is going to be a blast half amazing musicians and Al.. Sarah Crave they've caused when those those names but Pretty prevalent in in Sudbury end out. It's going to be a really fun me so much fun playing these songs of the band. Great Great Emerson Location. It is new slippery pentecostal church which is just on the Bike
Cory Stillman on Quinton Byfield
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That's manscaped.com and use the code Kingsman you brought this up on All the King's Men live a few weeks ago. But personally, I view the draft as the end of one season and the Opening a free agency as the start of a new one. So this is the season premiere of another season of All the King's Men. We still have no idea when the new NHL season will start. But today we've got head coach of the Chicago Wolves Cory Stillman and talk about Quinton Byfield. Who as you all know the king selected with the second overall pick in the 2020 NHL entry draft. Joining me now former nhler and head of head coach of the Sudbury Wolves Cory Stillman. How are you doing today, Corey? Very well. Thank you. So Quinton Byfield is drafted second overall by the LA Kings. You yourself were six overall pick in the 1992 entry draft. So I mean, you've got some personal experience being a high highly rated High taken draft pick. Obviously. The league was a bit smaller. The internet was a bit smaller, but how much pressure is on a player in that position being taken in the top ten of an NHL entry draft? Well, I think in today's game there's a little more pressure than back then just based on social media and what you can find on the internet when when I was going through at that time. Yes, highly rated wage, but I don't think ratings came out until the hockey news was published and you had to put your hands on it. And and today we have people watching games all over the world and finding out what players are dead. They play like what they're what they're looking at and you know for young kids going through the game today. I think you've gotta be on your best every night and for the pressure we do grow with Quentin was a great player all the way through minor hockey everybody knew from probably Beyond he was going to be number one or two in the OHL then once we got here, I think after the birth of his first year there was always the LaFreniere Byfield, you know question who's going to go number one, so he's been playing with pressure his whole career. How much does a how how a plane Handles that pressure get factored into how he's rated by Scouts, you know, if a guy sort of can't handle it. Well that dramatically hurt his standing. I think of a player can't handle it. Yes, he will he will drop in in ratings and and that comes to the base of the consistency of game end game out and there's going to be a price on top players every night. So you have to be at your best and if you're having weekends where you're great on a Friday Saturday Sunday, you're not very good the following weekend Friday Saturday, you're good Sunday, you know your games out there. They're going to start. You know, they're going to dig Mark every little box that they have would be, you know, consistencies not there and at the NHL level you can't have you can't afford players to take nights off and show up two out of three games or or say, you know, seven out of ten your best players are your best players night in night out and these kids learned to do it in in Quinton, you know from 16 to 17 is learning to do it and I think he's only going to get better as with aged. Let's talk a little bit about your career and use that as The sort of lends to look through to buy Fields potential. Like I said 6th overall pick in the 92 entry draft two-time Stanley Cup winner. You win it on two different teams in back-to-back seasons. One of only, you know two handfuls of guys to do that. But then you become the Player Development coach in Florida for a season, then the director of Player Development and forward development for the Hurricanes for five years. How much of your current job is coach were you prepared for in that role is director of Player Development. Well for me the day I retired I had a job and I have to thank Dale town about that. It was my last year playing I was in Florida. I thought they were going to make some moves trying to change the organization and and he said I'm going to trade you but what you've done here with the young guys when when the day you retire whether it's this year next year the year after let me know. I'm going to have a job for you and in Player Development and it ended up being that summer that I called back but I think as I go through my career when you're young you're in there playing you're working long as I got older. I was brought into teams to play with young players and and and great players and in that and I think maybe the coaching came out then off on helping and maybe not being able to do everything but at least be able to explain how to do it. So I go from from planning up to age 36/37 helping players out. Probably my last month. Five six years to development where you're in and out to the last three years. This was supposed to be our fourth year here in Sudbury to coaching where you get to use. Everything you've learned from Junior Hockey too. I played in the minors to the NHL to playing with superstars to will be Hall of Fame coaches and Jack Adams coaches, you take everything all you can handle put it in your box and then try to help young kids and and Junior and in Ontario Hockey League your 16 to 18 years of age kids are learning a lot about the game and a lot about growing up from being away from home having to play all the time playing in front of fans, you know, whether it's mm not our ten thousand fans. Take what you've learned and pass it on and I think that's the way our game continues to grow. You've got one son who currently plays for you and Sudbury Chase and another Riley who was already been drafted in 2016. If I'm not mistaken as played about half a season in the NHL. So I mean it seems to me that you're probably perfectly situated to be the coach of someone life in Byfield. As I said having been a first, you know, first round pick and having won the Stanley Cup and now having children about his age going through very similar things. So, I mean what else how I don't know how to ask them, you know, obviously Byfield was taking second row so he's great. But I mean, what do you see in him? As a person that makes you optimistic about his career potential? Well, I think living through the experience of living through today's game is a big thing. Right Riley is 22 years of age Chase 2017. So yeah, you meet me in the middle. I've been around the Junior game right now for a long time. I have with the development role watching you can come in you have hands-on experience of what kids are going through going through their their rookie or their draft year for for some is, you know, even drafted it's still a long way to the NHL you get sent back to play Junior now for me to coach you through the next couple of years. So when you read to become a pro, you can make the weather's to the AHL or right into the wage, you know, as a as a father as a coach. Yes, you would like, you know, everybody on your team all your kids to get drafted to go play in the NHL to me. It's it's the bed. Keep going. It's how do we get there? And how are we have you prepared? So when when when you're a pro when it's you know, it's kind of a job. You're working at it. You're ready to go right from day. One month. Obviously Quinton is six foot four. I think you said six foot four and three-quarters. I'm recently trying to push that up to six foot five. But I mean he's known for being fast for his size. But I mean realistically is is he not just fast for any size. He's he's going to be faster any size and when you get a kid, who who's who's that big sometimes say their leg strength can't handle their thoughts their the way to their body their coordination isn't there and they get faster Quinton can skate and and that was one of the biggest things for him is how quick he can get on Tupac's how quickly he can recover from a mistake at at six. Yes, six five probably two hundred sixteen years of age urine in a man's body right now. That's only still going to get strong bigger and stronger keyless surprise people. You don't think guys that they can skate as well as he does and and Junior levels when you're young, you know, some kids are a hundred and fifty pounds so it could be 200 but not carrying it. He separates himself from everybody very quickly. There's a lot of talk about the game-changing two more speed off. Skill-based but some of the pushback that I've heard from from various, you know corners of the industry is that maybe maybe the game needs to slow a little bit down just because some guys move faster than they can think or sometimes move faster than their linemates can process the game can Quinton think the game as fast as he can physically execute it. I think you can yes, and and that's a it's a question that would have been asked a lot about him here on it. You know people would say about hockey sense and I think what's happened some time that he plays it so fast that some of his linemates weren't there to speed with him thinking it and again when he takes off I didn't have I wouldn't have too many guys on my team that could could play em and sync with him. So I think when he gets to the NHL when things are done faster quicker, it might simplify his game a little bit more and even better player in in him back to make the play he wants to play because somebody's already there how difficult this is sort of a a side question. But how hard is it to gauge the real talent and potential of a guy who's sixteen Seventeen eighteen years old when he's playing in these leagues surrounded by other players that maybe won't have the same kind of career as they will it gets tough. Yep. It would always be nice to see and and when you talk for when you asked me with my question about going to the draft is I played with Todd Warner who was also a high pick in the NHL in the Ottawa sixty-seven just had this year with Jack Quinn and Marco Rossi and you know, if you can put two elite players on a team on the same line that are NHL caliber and wonder Center one swinger. I think then you'll start to see how good these players are and how they dominate games and you know for for Quinton at times as coach. I was trying to find guys that were going to play with them. So some nights he'd have different linemates. So it was like, how do we keep Clinton going? We know he's going to be good for almost two agents a game. How do we see the three out of four and that was Finding different players every night instead of just having that rock-solid, you know, left-wing or right-wing ER that I knew was going to be an NHL oo. We talked to Brian Cooper and Mike carefully these earlier this summer the play-by-play guys for for your sub rules. They were sort of raving about his ability to just grab the puck, you know, Steve or twice on his own make a move leave guys behind him. Can he I mean, we sort of been covering this already, but can he be a playmaker Ken he set up guys and and improve his linemates. I think you can yes. I really do suck the Highlight girls sometimes when they're watching games like desk or highlight gold. But what goes on notice is is a five foot pass or three foot pass or jumping in and creating space and off. He does that it just goes unnoticed because of what he did when he had the puck, right? So you put him with some good Winger some experienced Wingers out there. Like it's just, you know, Jeff Carter and can teach them and work with them his career could take off again because you have a guy here that is willing to Hound pox can't skate can make plays it makes came a lot easier for your birth dates that brings up a great question that I I am always desperate to know this and it's rare that you get a chance to ask somebody who might give you the real answer, but there's been a lot of table. About how incredible it would be to have someone like honestly Kopitar, you know, Dustin Brown someone like Jeff Carter Etc available to Mentor someone like Quinton Byfield, but I'm always curious do older players wage actually impart that much mentorship to young like how much how much can an older player actually improve a younger players game by being a quote-unquote mentor wage much are they just sort of there and you hope that the younger player, you know uses that yeah, it can be done and you have money you need the right player to do it two player who's willing to to take the time to talk to them, you know guys have played in the league now for ten or twelve years. They know what's right what's wrong or they should so you have guys like that that can can add their little bit go through their experience of hate when I was young I couldn't do this either. This is this, you know, these are the same. You have to make right now you're going to get a little leeway Kopitar is going to have more leeway than what Quinton Byfield will have last year. Why does he does he can do it year after year after year is showing these are the Little Steps. It's a big step from Junior to Pro. So the the right guys they're willing to put in the time and and and that's not, you know being hard on him all the time. Sometimes it's correcting him before the coach has to correct it coming back to the bench talking to him as long as he's willing to absorb the information that these all stars and that's what they are giving you your game is going to improve and again if I if I'm a guy who's thirty-two thirty-two years of age thirty-five years of age and we're going through and I can get a young kid and we have some chemistry and it goes from twenty to twenty-five or twenty-five to Thirty or whatever walking out that I got this young kid. I'm helping our lines producing. It helps everybody in our organization. You mentioned the fact that you know, we only see the highlight reels of these guys when they're when they're being touted for the draft and everything. And one of the thing that drives me crazy to see these fights for example, the last six months. It's been by field versus stood slow who should the Kings take and you get people saying well, she just doesn't like to shoot enough and by field, you know, too big and bombing all these fights and I am the only thing that I want to know is how do they play without the puck on their stick? But of course that never makes it to the highlight reels so I mean can Byfield become a player like on thurs with our play that 200-foot game is he, you know, more one-dimensional like Patrick lyonnet, like where does he fit into the ecosystem know the the the one thing that we've been working on here and I've been trying to teach them is that two hundred foot games. And and if you talk to me or made at the start, he didn't know how to check what now getting out of it in Junior Hockey place. 200 foot game heat he's down battling in our own Zone to create offense. He's learning and when he's on to this fullest he comes from behind and off. When is it cold when you're going through it, there's guys when things aren't going well, they just cheat and they you know Blow The Zone they're hoping to get a bounce Clinton and I have an understanding is that you're going to create your own offenses. You have to have the part you have to be around it, which means you're going to have to come into our own Zone stop-and-start. You're strong enough to play down your big enough to play Down Low and you can Excel that between the top between the goal line and the hash marks if there's a player on you've already separated yourself. So I see him being dead type player that you know, every team wants a big sentiment who can if he can do that and if he excels what he should he's going to be a great player there in l a dead. Was adolescent that you had to learn in your career. And if so, when did you learn it? Everyone has to learn it and I and to me it goes why sometimes when you're going through NHL drafts and you're going through you got a first-round or you got a second round or and all of a sudden you use going through and it's like almost in the same draft. You're the third rounder the second or third round or my car in front of the first round and it's Y and it's it's because this guy has not been the elite scorer the the playmaker. He's had to play the 200-foot game and thought would sell you to the NHL faster than being one-dimensional. So did it take me a bit of time. I think it did. I spent two years in the minors, you know, thinking you're ready to go now looking back the minors for me would have been best thing cuz I developed more of a hockey game and I ended up playing more years than people that played in the NHL before me. I've got a couple of questions that I'm I'm back. Have to ask for the for the fans and not just secretly want to know myself if you if I you know wave a magic wand and gave you complete control over Clinton's career. Would you have him start in the NHL this season or would you have I I can't I can't answer that because I know it's too tough if he's ready to play with an h l and play in the NHL right? You're young kids. They have to go in a role that you're going to see ice times were you you know, you're not counted on to be the difference of a hockey game night in Thursday night, but you can you know, like if in an eighty-two game schedule if if Clinton was only going to dress or twelve fourteen games, I'd say it would be best to play Junior. But if you going in playing 776 out of the eighty-two games and and is in can be relied upon and counted upon to, you know to play the game at that level then he should stay in the NHL. There's a phrase down. Here all the time mostly on social media and fan message boards and it's he has nothing left to prove at the lower level and it's one of those things where you know, you got a guy like by Fielder Arthur Cal you have where you go? Look if the AHL or sorry the NHL or Juniors, you can't play any age all these two young and so the argument as well if you just goes back to Juniors. He's just going to dominate for another year and that it's got nothing left to prove is that long? Is it true that a player can reach a point where there's quote unquote nothing left to prove there. There is a point where you could nothing to prove but you better be very special. And if and if you're at that point, you're going you're going to be at the NHL right? Like when you talk about that you said a little bit about Callie up, right and it's changing subjects here. But there's a lot of his game box score at the NHL level. He has an NHL but there's going to be parts of his game that that would you know, cause the head coach or the assistant coach be like, we're not putting them on the ice right dead. Now coming back to Junior when you scored all your goals and you dominate the league if you're not willing to buy in it creates bad habits good habits are hard to break. So, you know like It's go go way back when when Eric Lindros was coming out of junior. He had nothing to prove. Correct, right? He's 18 years of age. He's a man he can move on there's other guys and dry settle started in the NHL but then had to go back into Junior because yes, he was putting up points, but there was more to his game. There was more to the NHL than just scoring. God bless you for saying that because I constantly get in fights with people where they say the point of the game is to score goals and I was a notes the point of the game is to score more goals than your opponent off when when the kings were making their decision by field versus just how much contact did they have with you every every team will call, you know, if you're if you're in in the running to get a top pick in that player is on your team, they're going to call and ask for you know, all the information that you can give and give us a coach and a girl who they're comparing them to and it's difficult for me as a culture in the Ontario Hockey League to of compared Clinton to Sutro because I don't see suits on Monday night owl. I see Quinton everyday right know they're going to call they want their background information. And then it's up to you telling Rob Blake to make that final decision along with their head scalped. So yeah, you are in contact with them and then age, you know them give them for me the way I work is I give them the information all the information they want good the bad right? You're I'm selling player, but I'm not going to sell them something that he's not if Quinton does wind up playing another season in Sudbury. I don't know if you've got other guys, but I imagine you might have other guys drafted to other NHL teams. Is there ever any sort of extra pressure whether it's from the teams or just subconscious to make sure that these guys who have been drafted are, you know, getting the right I slime to help their career or being a huge case or highlighted. Is it difficult to juggle those responsibilities? It does come in there. So if Quentin comes back home He was last last year. He was the best player in our league. So now now we're coming back. He's a year older. I would you know, put some pressure on the on the organization and the staff in order to you better be taking a run at the Memorial Cup player. Like this doesn't come around very often, right. So now it's it's a lot of moving Parts but now, you know, we have two other month. We'd have three four other guys who are getting to a point when you go Clinton put you over the top. Final question and feel free not to answer it. Would you have taken Quinton Byfield with the first overall pick in this year's draft well wage. Just tough tough one and you know what to me, I would because I know what Clinton is every day compared to LaFreniere and all so cuz you're built, you know down the middle of the ice and he's six-foot-four as he says six foot three and four and three quarters. Do you have a 6.5 sentiment that can play a 200-foot game? I guess in a hotel over, you know the next 5-10 years to see but they're both great players and you're not going to go wrong with either one of them. Excellent. Well, thank you so much for your time Corey. Really? Appreciate it. Okay. Thanks a lot.
Thursday, September 24, 2020 - The Christian Science Monitor Daily
"Welcome to the Monitor daily podcast. It's Thursday September twenty fourth. Thanks for joining. I'm Ken Kaplan Reading for Stephen Humphreys. And I'm Kim Campbell. In, recent years, a buzzy term has taken hold particularly among millennials self care. It's a cry for help as an Helen Peterson in her new book can't even how millennials became the burnout generation unlike earlier generations who were able to earn more than their parents millennials have been hit with to financial shocks a decade apart on top of college debt that changed them to a punishing economic treadmill. Self worth is measured by economic success in the identity millennials present to others. What's been lost she argues is a sense of true self says Ms Peterson a millennial herself via email. It really comes down to understanding ourselves as humans with souls and minds, and not just as robots valued for our capacity to work. The author recommends activities divorced from career screens or pleasing peers. Go outside for aimless walks be your own companion. Her Book Borrows Computer Scientists Cal. Newport's definition of solitude as the subjective state in which your mind is free from input from other minds we can't listen to our inner voice if we're constantly trying to keep up with the Joneses or Kardashians on instagram. As Self Care Be careful it is and self self-centered. Says Ms Peterson. Spiritual practice means finding meaning in the world around you. And meaning that doesn't extend uniquely from work. Things that allow us to look away from ourselves and think about and serve others almost always makes us feel better in some way. Now today's stories. Are First Story. If president trump passes way a reinforced conservative Supreme Court majority could work quick and radical change on everything from abortion and gun rights to federal regulations on the environment and finance. President Donald Trump says he will in a matter of days announce his third nominee to the high court. A choice that if confirmed could transform the court in a way perhaps not seen in close to a century. The naming of a replacement for Justice Ruth Bader. Ginsburg who died last week is certain to provoke fierce and partisan confirmation battle in the US Senate. The president and other Republican Party leaders have made clear their intent to return the court to its full complement of nine justices. As soon as possible a reinforce conservative six justice majority of jurists could shift influence away from Chief Justice John, Roberts, who would cease to be the courts, ideological center and advance conservative causes like regulating abortion, expanding gun rights, and raining in other federal regulations. The only questions would be how radically and how quickly the court moves. Says Mary Ziegler a professor at the Florida State University College of Law. It's hard to know how uniformly more conservative the court would become until you know who is appointed but you can expect a more conservative court and a more quick or more radical transformation of the courts doctrinal views. This story was reported by Henry Gas in Austin for the Monitor. Volunteers have worked for decades, Sudbury? Ontario to restore the land in the once colluded mining town. They say there were colds lessons for breaking the endless cycle of conflict between industry and environmentalists. Superstock was constructed in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, two, it was the tallest structure in Canada and the tallest smokestack in the world. Built by a Canadian mining company, the superstock has long stood as a reminder of the environmental devastation that mining rot here in Sudbury Ontario. It also tells a powerful tale of renewal. The stock was built as part of an industrial complex, the denuded, the land here of any kind of vegetation leaving black and rocks and lakes without fish. The landscape drew comparisons to barren moonscape at one time the sulfide or small tres in Sudbury where the world's largest point source of sulfur dioxide. It got so bad that stakeholders came together to hold the pollution, replant the trees and restock the lakes. Today Sudbury enjoys some of the cleanest air quality in Ontario. Respondents swim and fish in the three hundred thirty lakes inside the city's boundaries. And those hearsay. The community offers a lesson in how to break the cycle of conflict that the current climate crisis often creates pitting industry against the environment. As David Pearson a driving force behind suburbs transformation says. That's what we need to take from the subway story and we need to apply it to today. This story was reported by Sarah Miller Yana in Greater Sudbury Ontario for the Monitor. This summer's clashes have thrust the India. China border into the global spotlight. But for this community of refugees, the two countries tricky relationship has always shaped their lives. Talk Sorry. India is a cluster of one story mudbrick houses on the banks of the Indus River surrounded by the Himalayas. It's one of many Tibetans settlements scattered across India and a Tibetan flag waves from atop the community center where residents queued to get tested for Kovac nineteen late last month the village last resident tens Nima who was killed in a mine blast near the line of actual control. The line is the defacto disputed border between India and China which have been in a standoff since May the death of Mr Nima a soldier who's covert unit is mostly to bet and refugees has drawn particular attention. He was given a grand public funeral attended by Indian officials. The first time Tibetan had been recognized for military service. Tibetans hope the spotlight on the border could prompt more support for their cause. One. Local hoping for a change is sonum serving a former soldier whose parents fled to India today he waits for customers behind a pile of. The market, a headband that says free Tibet to his side below photographs of the. Dalai. Lama. He says it has been a long time here. So India feels like my country, but my heart is in. This story was recorded by Fahahd shot in. Leh India, for the Monitor. Being in the shadow of Russia Estonians take their military seriously. But Estonian women are opting for professional soldiering in increasing numbers despite being excused from mandatory service. Why An increasing number of young women are voluntarily enrolling in Estonia's conscription service, which is required for men and then choosing to enter military service professionally. And with the world's spotlight on the volatile situation in nearby Belarus and the continuing fraught relations between the bolts and Moscow, the Estonian military appears to be embracing this shift in mindset. The Estonian military is built around a reserve army model where conscripts are trained for eight or eleven months whereupon they become part of the reserve force. Active Armed Forces number around six thousand troops roughly half of whom. Are Conscripts. This summer forty six. Women volunteered for the conscription service as part of the July intake, the most ever at one time. Also, this year over fifty percent of the women conscripts decided to join the regular army. At present, there are three hundred, thirty, six women serving inactive service about ten percent of the three thousand, five hundred needs soldiers. Says one female officer in my experience Estonian women are very independent and perform their duties very well. The women who joined the military are much more motivated than their male colleagues. After all they want to be there. This story was reported by Gordon Sander in Tallinn. Estonia for the Monitor. Showy halstead sees promise thousands of vacant homes and in the black women she can power to live in them. Her not profit puts tools in the hands of trainees and then helps them by the refurbished properties. Buying your first house is a milestone for anyone quench Henderson. Not only worked through the financial part of the process, but also restored the house herself. All the help of the nonprofit Black Women Build Baltimore. The group trains women in the skilled trades and guides them to support if resources to enable homeownership. Baltimore's the city of sixteen thousand vacant homes. The result of decades of job losses in population declines says, black women build founder, Shelly Halston. She says the cost to stabilize these houses is basically the same cost to tear them down. So let's get into preservation instead of demolition. As with other communities in the United States Black Home Ownership in Baltimore has a history of being suppressed by law and practice. Miss Henderson a graduate student working toward her second masters degree has examined old redlining maps and finds not much has changed. She says, it can be heartbreaking to hear stories of disenfranchisement asking what if we don collectively to address that I see black women billed as a former resistance to what has been happening for generations in a neighborhood she says. This story was reported by Sophie Hills for the Monitor. now, commentary on yesterday's News From Louisville from the Monitor's editorial board. Six months after Brianna Taylor was killed in a hail of gunfire a grand jury in. Louisville. Kentucky has issued indictments against one of the officers involved. The jury's decision in the protests that followed in Louisville underscore an important point. 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Reverse Retro Reviews
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Retro jerseys this week and we are here to review them all reached out to fans from each division to talk about every team. Saving the king's for last naturally then ultimately. I was surprised by how much i liked. Most of the jerseys and just how many times i repeated myself during the taping of this episode. Having said that. I hope you enjoy it. There's a bit of an audio glitch. At the very start bear with us retro jerseys from the atlantic division official team historian of the sudbury wolves and remote kings fan. Mike meat or how you doing. Mike jesse how you doing. It's been a while has been according to skype. It's been over a year. That's what i was gonna say just called me so i'm glad we finally connected young. Yeah well look. You are a hockey historian. You've written a book. What was it three hundred and sixty five days of hockey. Or what's the name of the border. Shouldn't you almost had hockey through sixty five. That's in hockey sixty five. Sorry apologize now. I wanted to talk to you about the atlantic division because the atlantic division is sort of odd. It's got four teams three ninety teams in the buffalo sabres tossed in for good measure the reverse retro jersey project. It's i mean. It sort of varies from team to team. What their options are. And one of the things. I find interesting about the atlantic division is. They've got a bunch of teams that never changed their logo and never changed their colors So they didn't really have much to play with I'm just gonna go in alphabetical order. I guess we're going to start with the boston bruins. What's your take on their quote unquote reverse retro. I love the patch. I love that. That dat i guess distraught-looking bear. I mean. I do like i do like the goal. Admit that is a nice play off those classic white jerseys. The bruins warrior during the heyday of of of work and those runs the cup final. So i mean as much as as somebody who was born as a leaf's fan. It's probably my dna did not like anything to bruins on the ice winter. Whatever may be. But i don't hate it i guess like i i find myself in different to a few of the ones a few in the atlantic lines that i really do like a few that. I think i'm indifferent to and then a couple of mrs actual get to the. i mean. this is one of those things. I feel a lot about these jerseys. Do about any tv show or movie. Which is i'm grading it. Based on what they're attempting and some teams felt like they were gone for home runs and they come up short and other teams feel like they're going for a base hit and they nailed it and the boston bruins to me. Felt like they were going for base hit and they nailed it like. It's a boston bruins jersey. It's not one that they currently wear. You know exactly what it is when you look at it. It's got the like you said the bear on the shoulder It's simple it's not. You know audacious or anything but it looks good. It looks like a hockey like it yet. No i mean i i. I was one of those folks who prefer. I guess as preferred likes that data poo bear jersey. They used to wear a semi Of that would have been great but ultimately again. I think i agree with you there what they were going for. They cheered and so. I think that's probably how we best to assess them next Buffalo and I don't know what do you think about savers while when they had the sneak preview I guess a few days before they revealed and you could see that the shoulder patches were the were the were the goat head which you know kind of made me sad because i would have loved took seen that remixed with the traditional colors. I mean we had the goat head back in the day with the black in the red which was a jersey that you know i think in my formative years. I really enjoyed So i would have loved. I've seen it go that way. Ultimate they won't the butter knives. Which i think still is kinda cool. Harkening back like the The two thousand era of all some of these jerseys. But yeah i mean i love the colors but i would love to see that. Go ahead get a revival yet. This to me is what. I was talking about a moment ago whereas i feel like they were going for a home run and they wound up with like a double. Yeah it's not awful. The colors are great. The the butter knives as you call them. Which is the sort of early two. Thousands take on the classic sabres crossing on the blue circle logo. It's a little cartoony for my taste. And i just hate the fact that buffalo. The word buffalo is at the waist line. is not awful but it just to me is some of these are really great and this one sticks out as being okay. Yeah yeah swung for the fences in came up. Short does not bad. But it's it's all right now. The detroit redwings one. I'm going to start this off on this one and then get your opinion detroit. It's two colors so there's not a lot to play with and you know depending on what area you're talking about. It's white at home. Read on the road or read at home and white on the road. they've never changed their Say never change their logo but it's been decades and decades and decades since they changed their logo. I don't. I don't like the gray. it's it's i mean. It feels like they were. If you i made the home run vs base hit analogy. This feels like a bunt to me and a bunt that they got thrown out of first line. Yeah just i think. I i forget who said it so admittedly. I'm going foul it up already. But i feel like the redmond's who suffered enough as of late give anything that that inspires much right. I mean i think you know to your point. Obviously you know with their primary colors always being you know red and white I guess maybe there wasn't a lot that they could have done. But i mean. I think back to in the ninety one ninety two season and they wore these white with red stripes with detroit across the chest. Admittedly i think that whenever i see jersey with that seventy fifth anniversary patch like i have some or it has a place in my heart zone. Abm a little biased. Because i love that that any gel patch. But i think that could have maybe done a little. Bit more of a throwback to maybe some of those era jerseys. I mean historically me would've loved to students throw it all the way back. You know. Pre three redwings era. Samaya guy had the same thought. So you know it's one of those wins again like they didn't really seem like there was that much of an effort put into that. I think that's kind of the result we get when and to me. Shame is that because they were so limited in off in obvious options. It was an opportunity to get creative. As far as i'm concerned right like you said go back to the detroit cougars. Or i don't know there must have been minor league. You know maybe come up with the detroit vipers jersey or something right like but but just to slap some gray on our practice jersey. The one i was sort of next of the florida panthers at how much like one And i find it somewhat annoying. Because i look back at their history and this jersey. The they've come up with is not that different from panthers jerseys. They've had in the past in some of the panthers jerseys they've had in the past have been brady ugly. I really liked this one. It's simple it's not crazy but again. It looks like a hockey jersey. Which is my favorite thing about. Most of these submissions. Yeah no. I really liked this. One i think is one of the better ones to come out of the atlantic But i would agree with you there that again as much as you know i think some teams overall better job at i think you know leaning into the remix of pass designs and colors worse for me like this just reminds me of a previous war which is great benefits. I mean i immediately think of this. I think pablo wearing that jersey with the with the with the navy in that kind of scheme so i i really enjoyed. I wasn't a huge family shifted to the more recent logo Again i think it's because of the era in which i grew up on You know watching hockey in the in the early nineties these logos will always kind of resonate with me but obviously for that reason. Happy that it's to see it back. The i'm gonna call this one. They were going for a single and they wound up with a double. maybe even ran out a triple. It's simple but it's it works. It's great and i was surprised i wasn't expecting that one next one is montreal in montreal found themselves in a similar position as detroit in that. They've never changed their logos than they've never really changed the jersey or the colors. They have a third color. Detroit doesn't have and so they went the only route that they had. And i think it really works. I mean i'm sure there happy fans who will be apoplectic over this reversal of the of the colors but given the project and giving what they're asking for i think it looks great. Yeah i think that you'll get the fans who will say it's sacrilege to wearing those those blue jersey but ultimately i think it's kind of a nod to you know before they joined Near the nhl they were members of the national association. They wore blue jerseys In two thousand nine. Even with for the team centennial anniversary. They wore a blue jersey. Which was a replica with originally. Were back in nineteen thousand nine on semi like. They've warned blue before it's kind of cool. I mean i personally like it. I i again. I don't remember they have a vested interest in in what the haves where. But i think it works and i think it's kind of cool. Not some of their Earlier history next up. Is the ottawa senators. Now i love the ottawa. Senators original jerseys. Yeah i think they're gorgeous. I own one. Admittedly i am bias. I have family in ottawa. When a team was placed in. Ottawa was exciting for me. I got to go to a bunch of senators games So i like that this one. It's just missing something. And i don't know what i suspect. It's the color white somewhere somewhere in it It's just too much red for me yet. That's exactly what i was saying. I think i think you. And i probably talked about this before again. Like i'm a huge fan of the of the tutti logo glad that they finally brought him back fulltime. I think maybe who knows because of the excitement around when it was announced summer that they were going to be returning to that that you know you kind of thought that maybe a different route with this. Because they're already gonna bring that back in another form. But ultimately i i think there's just too much red All support that logo. Till the day i die but but just doesn't get a little too much red going. I think in many needs to break it up a bit or maybe just kind of go off the board. I mean maybe just the sleeve below the the elbow just made that white. I think that might have broken it up. It's just a bit too much for me Next up is only a recall the senators they went for a single and i don't know there's a tie at the plate. I guess sorry next the tampa bay lightning. I mean this to is the epitome of going for a single and hitting it. It's not complicated. it's not ambitious. It's it's i mean if you told me that that was a real tampa bay lightning jersey that they had worn in their history. Top of my head without using google to look up. You know one of the jersey databases that exist. I believe you know i'd yeah. I think that you'd be a you can make a pretty good argument. That that's what they were in two thousand four and you probably wouldn't hear any answers otherwise but for me like i like this one is while they say i think this is one of the ones from the atlantic Again i don't think there's anything overly ambitious but i think it works. I think back to when the senators in the lightning were coming into the league in the early nineties. I had this hockey card. That had like the two logo side by side and it was a glimpse into the future. I still have that card somewhere else to original logos with the bolt and with the two senators so for me. Those two will always have a soft spot for me. So i'm glad i mean they could have gone off the board. I remember when window clark was playing for the for the lightning. They had those was like a similar logo but there was a lot of black on the jersey and there were lightning bolts in yellow. I believe like all over the bottom of it and you know admittedly it was kind of one of those horrible things that i think people have grown fond over the years. But i like it. I think this works. Yeah it's it's. It's a hockey jersey. I'm going to keep coming back to that phrase most of these submissions to me. Look like hockey jerseys. Which is what kind of drove me crazy. When adidas took over there not adidas. Excuse me adidas has done a great job when reebok took over And you found all of these new designs with piping and stripes and design elements didn't connect all the way through the jersey. Drove me nuts. Most of these to me look like what i think. Hockey jerseys look like like if you saw somebody. In the ninety s era of hip hop music video wearing most of the reverse ra jerseys. They would look right at home to me anyway. next and finally Is the toronto maple leafs. I'm gonna just back off and let you share your theme feelings on the maple. Leafs rivers retro. I hated but i'm all like i literally don't care i probably wouldn't have bought it anyway. It was good like truth. Be told but when. I did see the sneak preview and i saw the shoulder patch like okay. I was excited and then when i when i saw it actually revealed this morning. It's like oh man. They really the market. They had a really good opportuni cool. At least maybe just do something different from what they had And they just completely missed the mark. So i mean for me. Obviously i won't be buying one anytime soon for myself or anybody but Yeah just it's one of those things really. I don't i just don't care it's bad but i'm not enough for me to the pit online or or with this to me is one of the most fascinating ones in that. They went for a single and they just the hit the mascot on a foul ball. It's not it's not ambitious at all. It's ridiculously simple and yet it doesn't work. Yeah And i don't know why i don't know if it's because the letter on the seat the color on the is blue instead of white. I don't know if it's because the logo is too big yet. It's i. I've been trying to wrack my brain to come with a proper design evaluation of it's a to put my thoughts into a little more coherent critique but i just can't there's so many things i think i just don't like about it. It's one of those roots. Like i'm not mad. I'm just disappointed. Yeah yeah yeah. It's blue although i'll give it to a given that but yeah given all of the options they've had over the years to play with It did and i really. I mean i. Own a maple leafs jersey. A doug gilmour mabley. Suzy and i'm quite fond of it. And i think it's gorgeous and this one is. I don't know it's it's yeah. I think he's had a perfectly mike. I want to thank you again for joining me. But before you go you said you've got an anecdote about the sudbury wolves. Yes or actually. It's more about sebring. This kind of goes back. But i won't steal any thunder from when you do your pacific division. Now you know roundup talk about the kings jersey. But i will say a lot but there was one. I always remember this. When i think about you know the kings going back to forum. Blue in goal is at. I think i was obviously a big fan of the of the black jerseys in the white jersey when gretzky came on in eighty eight because of the time of which i was growing up in. So they've always had a special place in my heart but eventually the the black jerseys kind of proliferated in the nhl in the king's Ultimately went back to those and purple in golder such unique colors that it just seemed like a shame that they weren't kind of using this third manage sean for as long as they didn't. It reminded me of this. This really and i promise. I'll get there with You know former mayor bill beedon so this was the second world war canada at that point had put together a committee to try to figure out if candidate adopted distinctive flag when the war was over and one of his recommendation was that the kadian flag should have a purple background and a gold maple leaf in the reason why he wanted to go. That route was because there are no other flags in the world that have purple and gold. You know in the banner and so that's why he felt that candidates should have that ultimately didn't adopting a flag after the second world war. Great flag debate came after in the sixties adopted the redmi belief that we have now but i always just think of that that he was right on the money that no other flight had those colors ultimately candidate and go that way but the kings i think have always had the perfect opportunity inc really unique colors in the nhl. And i'm really glad that they went back to that for this. Might dad always used to tell me about The the vote for the flag when it happened and he i guess personally wanted the current version of the flag but with the bars i guess you call them the red bars being blue with red maple because the blue would represent the oceans. That was is yet anyway. There are a lot of crazy designs from that once. The what's the name of flags study. It's an amazing law. Yeah no i. I know what you're getting at. I can't think of it right now though. But there's eveque salal aji it's great. There's some really great ted talk videos out there for anybody's interested in in more flag doc. Anyway mike i want to thank you for joining me. I know you've got stuff to do today yet. My pleasure thanks for having me on all right. Hopefully it'll be sooner than a year the next time. We sounds good all right now joining me now to talk about the reverse retro jersey submissions from the metropolitan. Division scotty hockey. How're you doing today. Scotty i am quite well areas her. I'm good. It's been a while since we've talked but i wanted to get you on for those who don't know you are passionate new york rangers fan. And as a denizen of the big apple you have an oversized opinion as most of your city mates do angle. Thank you for that. I guess. Yeah but we're just going to go through these alphabetically. This approach that. I've been taking to these jerseys rather than give them like a letter grade. I sort of take a look at what they were trying. And i grade them based on that so the metaphor that i've been using is a is a baseball or are they trying to hit a home run or they trying to hit a base hit. And then judging the based on that we're gonna start with the carolina hurricanes long. Live the whale. Yeah i'm not sure what they could have done here. But i don't think gray was the best. I'm curious what you think about it. I completely agree. I think that a simple wait would have been fine given that. So many of these jerseys are very close to their originals. A white would have been sharp this gray silver. i'm not exactly sure. Plus the the Slanted sleeps stripes. Look a little off to me. creative and they really didn't but again it's the whale and you can't lose with the whale so grabble i feel like maybe a blue jersey would change the blue tail of the whale to white or i don't know it just it was a nine days of heart for. They had that navy jersey. And i wouldn't have been. I wouldn't have felt bad at all to see them do that again. You know like calgary going with the horse jersey again where it looks almost exactly like the right. I just didn't feel. I mean it was the obvious choice to go with the wailers but i you know so. It's like there's almost no creativity in this. They went with the obvious choice and then they went with great. Can't disagree. Yeah not fan moving on the columbus blue jackets a. I'm going to reserve my thoughts. I'm gonna let you start us off on this one. Well they i think they took an old catch jersey and their old go right in the middle of it. They're just missing the starves down the sleeve. I don't i don't get it. I mean again another chance to do something creative and wild and they didn't you know they have that neon green that i consider people seem to be fond of maybe do something on that. Do something with the hat logo. Everybody loved the the cap But this the old. Cbj is awful. And it's on a bed. Chinese knock off captures. I just don't like it. This is a this is an insane reason. Not to like something but the team is called the columbus blue jackets. And it's a red jersey and that just bugs me but would a belly stripe. I mean this is this is i think this is my least favorite of all of them. It's a tie with detroit because to me detroit. Just didn't really feel like they tried. But this one to me this is why bring the base hit homerun thing. They feels like they went for a home. Run and this is just a a miserable. Strikeout i do not like these jerseys. I'm right there with you. You know it's columbus who really cares. I guess i like. I said it's way too ambitious and just doesn't work for me. Next step is the new jersey devils. I'm curious you are a rangers fan. You you must have strong feelings about the new animal you as see A part of the theme. That i think we're gonna go with is. Why would you honor one of the worst periods of time in your franchise like i get. There's a nostalgic factor for some of their fifteen fans who used to go to this horrible building in the swamp. But they you know when wayne gretzky calls you mickey mouse organization. You probably should just leave. That passed in s. A black might have been looked. Look i don't know but the green it's just you know i. It's not christmas anywhere around here for me. I maybe it is the jokes and it makes me laugh. But it's pointless they're terrible team they'll sell fifteen of them with nico scher on the bhakta. Some fine swiss people and good for them. There's some teams that didn't change their logo in some things. Never change their colors. Some teams had Minor changes jersey devils. Used to have green. I mean there were sort of limited in what they do Not being from the tri-state area. I don't i don't really care It's fine to me to me. Like like a basit. And they got it they. They went for something and they got it. I can't disagree. It's it's perfectly fine deaf. What it is and i think for old school hockey fans. You're looking at you. Know the one of the worst teams in history. A of the sport. You're looking at that miserable team. They won't even honor. John maclean. Like i i don't i don't get it. You know one of the. It's just a terrible era of hockey for them. And hey it's bo jersey. Johnny mack was was a legendary player for them who battled through in the christmas tree. And they won't put his name up. But the where the ugly jerseys that he wore like. I don't baffles me. Well listen perfectly. Fine is a perfect transition to the next jersey. We're gonna talk about. Which is the new york islanders. They could have gone crazy. They brought back the fishermen they have gone with the you know the different slightly different color scheme but they went for solid single in. They got it. Okay yeah there's not a ton like if you told me the dow is going to be their new jersey moving forward fine perfectly fine great chance to go back in do the fishermen with a seafoam blue something. But you know if we're talking again about irrelevant franchises about the islanders and here's an irrelevant jersey. In the release of thirty one. It's probably the closest to what they've already worn of any of these It's just so nothing. But and i want to stress this. It looks like a hockey jersey. And that's at this point in my life. I don't know why that's all i really care about. Is things that look like hockey jerseys and tired of things. That look like an experiment in design and so perfectly fine with me is perfectly fine. I'm curious though. What your thoughts on the lady. liberty new york rangers. Jerseys are this. Say that's a nice transition for you like it but it's a perfect transition. It's not an experiment in design. It's nothing it's nothing. It's a practice jersey. It's almost as bad as detroit's they didn't even try personally. I loathe the liberty jersey. I hated it when it first came out. It looked like navy pajamas. They came out with the fourth jersey. That was white. That was a bit better. It looked sharp on wayne gretzky and then they got rid of it. They went back and they kept the liberty jersey with the navy pajamas and ended up being one of the worst jerseys. In the history of the franchise they were terrible. They missed the playoffs. What seven straight years wearing that jersey. I mean we want to commemorate ego ornoff. Boris mironov bobby league j. john maclean. Bring that back around again. All these har- bruce driver like all these horrible players who were on this franchise. Hey let's bring back the liberty and what they did with it. I can't even say that they did much with it. We got rid of the different shoulders. They got rid of the collar which was a standout feature. They kept nothing on the bottom. They got rid of the the bottom of the sleeves which wants the bright red which set off the fact new jersey was navy. It's just awful. And i love the outrage. Because the teasers there was a captain see and right now. We have no captain. Everyone thought that this would be the big unveiling of the new cat instead. We get more. Pajama tops. I ate it especially with the retro futuristic logo that they put on the shoulders that was terrible back in nineteen ninety six in now. It looks even more ridiculous. What logo on see it on the. It's like a a razor kind of top egg. You have to take a look at it. Oh the shield. You may know. that is awful. It's a futuristic. Shield that they tried that they add on the shoulders of the original. And it's now on the shoulders of this. This is going to be a weird callback but you know what the the razor shield reminds me of you for. No reason design wise but the extreme ghostbusters. Well it's just drenched mcmahon. It's a rangers shield. But they just were like well it needs to be different and to be modern and so by quote unquote modern. They just ruined. They just broke it just like all right. Well we're going to just and totally extreme dude. Yeah didn't like it. The next two to me are the epitome of of what is i met with the base hit and they got it. I'm not even going to dwell on either one of very long pittsburgh and philly. If you showed me both of these jerseys and told me that at some point in both teams histories they had worn these jerseys. I didn't go back and do google it. I would believe these. Just look like flyers and penguins jerseys today. I completely agree. The flyers is regular flyers sweater red. It's not even worth extra comment you know we've seen this multiple times. They just changed so the shoulder comes down onto the armour right. Whatever i you know. Kevin hayes superstar center in the nhl is gonna wear one but beyond that anyone really cares was yours to me is exactly yeah. The penguins one honestly. I don't think it's horrible. Because it mashes up their original. Which is the sky blue and makes it their current yellow. Don't call it gold. It's not gold. They put the the yellow instead of the sky blues. So i agree could have been something they wore in the past. It doesn't look awful because it's a rip offering jersey like it was back when he works and the nineties know. That brings us to the washington capitals. I'm curious what you think of Screaming eagles back yet is at its. It's big it's bold. it's terrible that henrik lundqvist is going to have to wear this actually. This is just like a hockey fashion thing and they don't actually make the nhl where this this coming season. I really disliked the the capital's jerseys when they switched in the late nineties. Whatever was too that the original version obviously had the blue back. It's not wasn't even blue. I'm sure it had some name other than blue. Because it wasn't like a royal blue was a wasn't navy was I don't wanna go to wikipedia to look up with the blue night. yeah I don't hate these. I don't love him this to me. They're all right. Capitol building patch on the shoulder is a nice touch. Capital in the bottom stripe is. I actually liked that but the rest of it again. It's another lost opportunity. Coulda done something need especially considering that they had one of the only teams that i can think of that. Had copper as one of their colors though original altech copper. Do not bring that in my biggest complaint with them and i it was my big complaint when reebok took over and crunched everything down. I don't like the see on the right. The you know up the upper part of the right jersey. I preferred on the left. A you know a silly thing to care about. I do while you look at what happened with the red wings. Each time that they basically made the play a cup finals. You're moving patches. All over the jersey stuff ends up on the shoulder the sees on the wrong side. You know they again. There's so many lost opportunities that it it. it's mind boggling. I get that. This is a great money. Grab amid the great pandemic. Let's try to the advantage of nostalgia by the millennials now that they're starting to get a little bit of money but i can't. I'm all in all disappointed by the whole grand scheme of these see. That's funny i. I think i think on the whole what we got was thirty one hockey jerseys. I would say there's only three or four that i really dislike. Most of them to me are like pittsburgh and philly or the or the islanders the whalers or the devils where. I just go okay. That's does is the different jersey for that team. There's very few. Like i said i think it's columbus alison detroit. I just go all right. Would even what even do in and there are some you know like the rangers. I don't feel as strongly against the rangers you do. Although i take your take your point that they didn't really attempt much with it but Reading the biggest win of course is colorado. I do agree. I think the i think the nor the nordiques jersey with the avalanche collars is beautiful. And i will say it's it to me anyway and we'll get to this when we talk about the pacific division later but it's a perfect example of how adding just a little bit like not being too ostentatious right like the florida lease are not simple. They're not a simple design on right like there but they're understated and so it's the works. I don't know in fact that that's my number one You know in the jersey. Jersey's the if we're doing a throwback i like the navy panthers those ones. They made a jersey. That look just like that which was perfect but i will say this and i said when we talked to mike camino about the atlantic division. The thing that bugs me about. Panthers jersey is i look at that and i go okay. Why didn't anybody figured that out. Fifteen twenty years ago because it looks great and they've had some hideous jerseys in the past. I can't disagree with you anyway. Thanks for joining me. Scotty appreciate it and true pleasure. Thank you for having me time to talk about the central division and so to help do that jackson blonde ski. How're you doing today jack. I'm good jesse. Funday we get to see some new artwork from the nhl and the fun to talk about it as well. I still don't know what order. I'm going to put the divisions on this podcast. So i'm gonna say it now but people may have heard me say it a dozen times already in this guess. I was surprised at how many of these. I actually really like. I agree I didn't really know what to expect. Obviously we saw the sneak. Peeks here and there from all the organizations. But i i love the majority of them honestly. I think you could make a case that some of these jerseys belong as the main uniforms once they get past this little era. Yep agreed and i agree i agree. I think it's the majority that i like having said that there are some that i really don't like gets that we're talking about the central division and there's at least two in the central division that i really don't like possibly three. I haven't still haven't made my mind about one of them anyway. We're gonna do this alphabetically we're going to start with the chicago blackhawks. I will start off. I don't have any problem with this turzii. But i also don't really love it. It's a hockey jersey to me. Yeah i think that's a great way to put it all. Honestly you look at the jersey and the most important thing is that you keep the logo because it's just such an amazing logo it catches the eye. It's one of the best logos all sports. If not the best. I the funny thing is is when you have the red blackhawks jersey. That their maine's are there's really nowhere to go but down because of how cool they are so no matter what you do is chicago's jerseys. I don't think you can top the red home jersey that they usually have on so with this one. You know i like it. I think i've fallen that same category of yup. It's it's fine. I love it. I don't hate it. there is Again not sure which order these are gonna wind up so people may have heard me say this a dozen times already but for me. I'm looking at this rather than giving letter grades abc. I'm looking at this as musing baseball as a metaphor where trying to hit a home run or were they trying to hit a single and then how close did they come to what. They're trying this one to me. Feels like they're trying to hit a single and they hit it got on base. Yes fine. Yeah i agree. I don't think they knocked it out of the park but again i think that's an extremely tough task when you have the main thing. Is that the blackhawks. Do so moving on. We're gonna go to the colorado avalanche on this as someone who does not remember the quebec nordiques. I love him. I grew up with the quebec nordiques jersey forsberg and i just love the logo. I love the colors. The apps have sneaky really cool colors and a great combination of them The logo that they mainly have Isn't too shabby and they have a lot. That they can work around going back to their heritage of obviously where they came from quebec. These amazing you know. I wish i'd never left. Because these jerseys belonging nhl organization to be worn every single. Day and i think they knocked it out of the park here. I think these stories jerseys are gorgeous. Yeah you're right. The colors are great. The i don't know if it's a maroon or whatever you wanna call it and the shiite blue they have and the logos great the flirt eliezer. Great it's a great design. I see a lot of people picking this as their favourite. And i think probably one of them. Yup i. i've definitely got them in my top one to three area from the sublime to the profane we moved to the dallas stars. I'm going to start us off on this one because they just released earlier this year those neon green and black ones which i actually really liked even though i don't particularly care for that color of green. The reason that i liked those jerseys is because you looked at them and you instantly knew what they were. They were the dallas stars hockey jerseys at these you look at them and i don't i don't know what they are. I don't think anybody would know what they are. And i don't know if you've seen the kid but they're going with white gloves white sox white pants to go. It's not great. White gloves are obviously controversial. I think the only team that has ever been respectively able to pull them off his. Bu aside from that. I can't add. Vegas has done a good job as for these. These are just atrocious. I you know they went back with the jagged star looking thing in the the greens at the bottom of the jersey and on the sleeves. Back from when want Cup in two thousand. I believe and honestly the originals are a lot better than this retro reverse. It's unfortunate but i agree. It's kind of a. You wonder why they came out with the neons. Because first and foremost i love neon anything clothing especially athletic wear. I don't understand why you release a jersey in a week or two later month whenever it is. Come out with another jersey. Obviously they knew this was coming out is just kind of a weird scenario in decision making for the stars regardless They can do better. And i hope that they wear the neons way more than this. I mean my only guess is that this is the sort of the reverse the negative of the neon jersey try the new jersey's were black and green and these are just all white with a little bit of green and a little bit of black. My biggest complaint is the white around the words dallas stars and the star in another visibly different from the white of the rest of the jersey. I don't know if it's because the main color of the jersey is just a light gray and it doesn't come up through in that picture or if the fabric is different but it's just most of these are hits this one to me. This feels like a home run. That didn't work. Feels like they're going for something bold and it just doesn't work he. I think this is more of a single in didn't work you know. Honestly if you're going retro reverse. They don't have any grey go gray. I think it could have a different. You know it is what it is. They screwed it up in. I don't know. I feel like we should move out from the uk gray up next. Goal is the reason. I chose you for the Central division review in that the minnesota wild. I'm curious is a minnesota wild fan yourself and a native of the state of hockey. What's your thoughts on this jersey. Absolutely love it really. One of which is i- minnesota will never forgive norm. Green the owner who Sent them to dallas Thankfully we don't have to deal with his ownership anymore But then the wild came in you know. The logo went is what it is but minnesotans live and die for the north star colors and logo. I think they absolutely nailed this. I want them to stick to these colors. I want him to go back to this. And you know obviously you can't necessarily go fully back with the north stars and the stars but I liked the color combo. And i think they did a great job with it. I liked the you said. The logo is what it is because my only gripe with this jersey is that i don't like the logo of the minnesota wild. Yes it's but having said that if you're going to stick with that logo and you're going to go with certain colors. I think you're right. This is the way to go this to me. Feels like an attempted single. That turned into a triple yet. I think they i. I hope that they never go back. Because these things are lethal in. you know. it's funny because the the wild came into the nhl in two thousand and i was five years old It took me probably up until about two or three years ago to realize that. There's a cougar. Looking thing. yeah. There's an animal in the logo on. It was a nice little skyline with our pine trees in nature that we have in minnesota but I always thought it was a bear. That's funny yeah. I see more of cougar. But of some sort of regard this. The colors are amazing. Jersey setup his great I hope they stick with it. And i hope they moved towards this direction. as we move forward next up is the nashville predators. And i've said this about a lot of the jerseys. And i'll say it about more than any other if you told me that. That was the jersey that nashville war during the two thousand and three season. And i didn't have my phone to google it. I would just shrug and go. Yeah okay that sounds right. You know they do. It's the shoulders. I don't love these by any means. I think the the sleeves are little weird on how the white kind gets cut off Overall you know. I think it's such an interesting color combination because they've gone with the mustard yellow and i think the original mustard yellows were probably the best. One's they've struggled mean such a great logo but they've struggled with the design of the jersey over the years. In my opinion. I think this is another one of those situations where they didn't really know where to go with it and keep it the same so not a fan but hey to each their own yet again. This like i said to me. This looks just like almost any other nashville predators. I'm not gonna get too caught up in the design elements like where the sleeves end or is there a bar a waste or whatever i don't i've never particularly liked their color their logo or their team name so to me this like i said this is just just another nashville predators. It's fine like i said. It looks like hockey jersey up. Next is one of the ones that i really don't like and this is just for personal bias reasons. I never liked that saint louis. Blues jersey Even when it was blue on the top and red on the bottom. And i said this about the columbus blue jackets who also chose a red jersey. If there's a color in your name. I don't think secretary under any circumstances you're allowed to go with a different bold break color as your prime color. But what do you think i i. You know you know what i think about. Saint louis comes to the hockey team. I'm not a fan by any means of their play I actually tend to kind of like these. I i liked the vibrant red. I think it's a little bit more of a lively read than we saw in the past as in reference to the retro. That you were just talking about honestly. It's it pops to me. I i do like it. And i think it's something that is definitely one of those type of jerseys. That's just occasion. This isn't something that can you know lead on to bigger and better things. But you know i think it's a solid job Especially from the ugly jerseys that they have right now. There's a lot of teams where they either never changed their logo or never changed significantly riley. The blues have had a different version of the note with the wings on it. But it's basically been the same effort not being a note and they're the saint louis blues. They've only ever had so many colors to play with. But like i said. I just don't it's not for me Lastly the winnipeg jets. I'll let you start off on the winnipeg jets. I think this is just a net. Yeah all right good they they should just stick with their jerseys that they've had that are the old ones from before they left. Winnipeg in the first place These are you know. I like gray. So i'm i'm not opposed to the gray that they used All in all. I think it's just kind of a bland. Well we we kinda just. This is one of those jerseys where they had nothing to work with because they've never changed anything. It's always been what it was. They had to try to quote unquote. Make a different They did make different. But i wouldn't say they knocked it out of the park by any means. Now this one is. It's kinda cheating on multiple levels because they took the jets logo from four coyotes franchise they took. They took a winnipeg jets. Jersey from the current franchise. They came up with gray which has never existed really an either teams color palette. I saw somebody suggested that they should have gone with an atlanta thrashers. Look which given that they brought back the nordiques in the minnesota wild bringing bag the north stars yet. The maroon in there. Yeah but hey you can make it work somehow. Well that's the thing there's there's some teams you know. The just don't have a lot of opportunity to work with and like you said winnipeg's one of them and so if you don't have to work with that's to me that's your opportunity to get crazy and i agree completely and it's funny. You say that. Because i think when you mentioned that the first thing i thought of was nashville in dallas like. They didn't have much to work with and tried to go back to jerseys that they moved on because they didn't work right exactly and i mean so to stick with the baseball analogy. I referred to the detroit red wings attempt. I said that was a bunt that failed And to me. I'm going to say The jets it just doesn't feel like they tempted very much and i don't know i guess it's like it's not offensive. I mean you said it perfectly. Your first sentence was it's just fine. It's yet it's you know. Go off for your bunt that failed. I think this is more like a. You know like a squidward a third base and it's just like a bank plan. They have to review it but we just sit there and we don't know if he was safer out and ultimately it takes forty five minutes to figure out whether or not is a single. Yeah well i wanna thank you for joining me jackson for this glimpse at the central division reverse retro jerseys. We'll talk to you soon. Sounds great looking forward to seeing these. The hopefully we'll get them on the ice soon. Let's at least we were talking about the pacific division reversed retro jerseys joining me now to do so cat silverman. How you did it. A cat got. I'm excellent in the other three divisions we've gone alphabetically but i don't wanna do that because i want to save the coyotes kings for last those are teams so i'm gonna start in alberta now. I've said many times already on this episode. That a lot of these jerseys. If you told me that this is what the team was wearing in two thousand three. And i didn't have my phone or laptop available to google it. I would just believe you honestly. I think that's true of the oilers and the flames. I would say though. Yeah they're just jerseys. I mean the right. I think i think getting blasted be back as i. I know that's kind of where i i love it. The only one is. I think you're right. It's a jersey. I with no disrespect. it's a jury three. You could've told me they weren't here. And i understand that some people really hate blassie. That's the horse. Head logo on the calgary flames. That was their second jersey. I don't even remember when I don't have strong feelings about one way or the other so to me. You know the funniest line i heard with somebody said that the flames got tired of taking conducts players. So they took their color scheme patterns. But like i said some either both jerseys m we're gonna to move on to british columbia the vancouver canucks. They had some teams didn't have many options because their logos in their colors never change. The canucks had a ton of options because their logos jerseys and colors have changed multiple times. They went with what they did at least yesterday with someone they have the millionaire to choose from which i know. Nobody wanted to go back that far but they had the flying they had beer where logan after a while. I mean they have like eight thousand different and they went with a gradient of like word. Well and it's i mean the joke i'm hearing from people is that some teams just didn't do the assignment or they didn't understand the assignment. This this one is sort of like halfway there. They got the retro in that. They're using the gradient jersey. I'm but that wasn't that long ago. And its with the current logo. So i don't. I don't matter i you know it is what it is. We're going gonna move into the states now with the vegas golden. I keep wanting to call the vegas thunder jersey. Because that's what a big based on. But it's the vegas golden knights at reverse retro any thoughts on this red jersey. I think well. I think they you know we have some teams like they understand the environment. I think the i think the golden knights understood the assignment and try very hard to be the top of the glass. Which doesn't which is kinda weird since there's only ones that weren't alive woodbridge five minutes so it just kinda try judy but i am not gonna get mad at him for doing their best on on a day really have no real history to both from so i mean looks alright cartoon but it was. Why didn't look washington high school. Yeah i like the fact that they pulled from actual history right. They didn't just make something up. That the pulled the jersey. The vegas thunder. Sorry the las vegas thunder. I'm not a huge fan of that tint of red. i don't know why. But i really do like vegas secondary logo with the swords and the star from the welcome to las vegas. Sign to me. It just looks like a hockey jersey. Somebody said it looks like vega a roller jersey from the early two thousands and they're not far off the las vegas thunder had a pretty unique look and it was definitely the late nineties. So don't think that the most roller hockey looking drink. I think we're gonna get the most roller hockey looking through our last. Yes so. I'm going to break into california before doubling back to arizona north at the san jose sharks and this is again one of those jerseys wherever you told me that. That's what they were in the two thousand three season. And i couldn't google it. I would just shrug and say bashar. That looks right. Yeah it looks kinda like that I have some really strong feelings about those neopolitan ice cream jerseys from the stadium series game between a between the kings and the sharks I hated him and they kind looks like the sharks drew from that jersey. A little bit and so that makes me a little angry But it's it's not the worst jersey that a team came up with. I think nobody in the pacific division other than maybe vancouver like outright field find men. So i'm i'm not gonna get too mad about it i'm trying to be. I mean positive about everyone here. I i actually think. The pacific has the best overall collection. And i say that primarily. Because the two that i don't particularly love vancouver in san jose i don't find either one of them offensive like i would watch a game with the were wearing the jersey and not once what i say. Oh my god. Those are an eyesore. I just don't tampa bay jersey automatically. They're not the word that's funny. I don't even hate to tampa bay won that much either. That's another one. Where have you told me. That's what they weren't two thousand three. I whatever we're gonna move down south now to anaheim and where. I've landed on this one but a very curious overusing wherever landau this one is. I think it's utterly stupid. But it's not ugly. So i like all the my opinion on it. Is that if we're talking about. Ymca roller hockey. Jerseys like one. That i've worked for a ymca nineteen ninety. That is what we were. And i think that's unfortunate that a professional hockey team is going to be charging people queuing hundred and fifty bucks to buy that But it's it's all jack to me. It's it's got memories. But i don't think it's aesthetically pleasing but i never thought the original one was either so i think the classic mighty ducks of anaheim logo on likes it teal and purple jerseys. I think that was much more aesthetically pleasing than the bobby orr dark wing dot. Yeah listen. I don't love it but you sort of hit the nail on the head. It was a jersey that existed and they did reverse the color pattern. So like i said. I think it's utterly stupid. But when i sort of glance past it i do like the shape of o or sorry jade. What the color is the original. Jerseys were jade eggplant. There is not a ton of plant and that's a shame but I like i said i kinda like it. So that brings us to the arizona. Coyotes I'm just going to step out of the way and let you share your thoughts on how i've been and maybe rightfully so i've been blasted by by a couple of coyotes fans who love that jersey. I i don't i. I didn't like the original because it is. It's the reverse of that particular retro jerseys of all the coyotes these akron. They use the ca channel logo which the original classic casino logo with one of the best. I think it's one of the best nineties logo out there and the big giant katina head is atrocious and i think the purple jersey is. I mean it's. It's a classy roller hockey jersey. It's not the ugliest roller hockey jersey. But i didn't like the original and so turning it into a giant royal purple jersey instead did not necessarily improve my opinion on it. But at least it's it's a culturally representative jersey. And so i won't. I won't deducted to many points for that it's still. They tried harder than i than vancouver. Did they tried harder than the oilers did. Because i have no idea if anybody on the oilers did any concept work with the so at the very least icon ick memorable retro jersey. You the metaphor that. I've sort of been death now on. This episode of the other three divisions was the idea of what was what was being attempted versus what was accomplished and the metaphor i used was was a baseball. So some teams tried for a base hit and they got it sometime. Some teams were swinging for homerun. Either hitter this one to me is a home is a home run attempt right. They were as you said they were going for it. I really like it simply. Because just i just admire the effort whether or not i like the way it looks is sort of for some reason immaterial to me. I just love that. They leaned hard into the insanity of their past and just said this. You know we're giving you a. We're giving you a jersey that you could frame hang on the wall at a del taco and nobody would even notice. I will give them credit. They had a couple other throwback jerseys that they could have pulled from the retro That they haven't used because obviously they can't use the classic casino. They already wear that one father. Saturday home games They had this. Really hideous leaping coyote and they have not yet. They chose not to go without one. Instead went with the ca. Jeanette had which i will give them all the credit in the world for going with that I just i personally never liked the katina head and making it a purple jersey. Did not endear me to it. If they hitter that jersey outside of the of the context of reverse retro said. It's it's hideous. I hate it. But for some reason i just like it in a setting it is. That's going to bring us to the final jersey which change. I'm biased. i think they're gorgeous. Beautiful house by you so i'm extremely upset that they didn't lean into the burger king So by virtue not I think it looks kind of like like if we're talking about roller hockey jerseys. That's it what they what they did for for their outdoor game last year. Which was that the flying kings logo where it looks like it was. It looked like it was speeding up. Hell on a roll at a roller income. And then they purple. I didn't good for them. it's it's definitely in kind of like what you said with the coyotes one in the context and i think it's flops If you handed it to me and said this is the concept for our team. Do you like it. i. I'd asked to check your temperature But in the context then like looking at a reverse retro game. I think it's going to be fun attack. But as an i i was looking at them from an aesthetic standpoint and it's not an aesthetically well out jersey And they they left off. The burger king they. They had the prime opportunity to bring back the burger king. And the bruins brought back the mess to you. I don't know why it's a meth. Who came back. The the king's couldn't give me what. I also want Thoughts okay. They didn't consult me. So i gotta will. I was thinking about the burgers. And if they did the reverse retro what i think would have been necessary to pull up a residual. It would've been a purple jersey with a yellow gradient sash. With incredible with. I've done so sure about that myself. And then i guess the burger king logo itself would have to have been Blacks over in white. And so i just. I don well i asked. I have actually asked somebody that. I saw on reddit posting their own mockups of different jerseys and i sent them a note and i said hey. Would you mind doing just like a mockup of this. I'm sure to look terrible. But i'm just for my own personal reasons. I'm curious to see what it would look like. So we'll see hopefully he'll he'll do it and we'll see the only thing that i'm that i'm truly fascinated by about the kings jersey. Somebody did do about twenty different versions of what they thought it might look like. And the difference of the kings logo on the jersey having a yellow background versus a white background. Makes all the difference for me. The yellow version. I hate and the white version. I really like and i don't know why i have that reaction but i'm sorry. I'm just endlessly fascinated by how that tiny difference can change my whole feeling about jersey but like i said it has away background so i love it. I put it right behind the colorado avalanche. I'm curious what you think. The best and the worst are. That's that's tough The worst one. I think in terms of execution i think i i think. Probably they can knox in terms of actual fedex Tampa bay. they took my least favorite retro jersey. Which is awful tampa bay one that had like the lightning bolts and the gradient and the weird dogo and. They decided that that's what they needed to bring back and they didn't. Nobody ever needed that jersey again. i think The best sub. That's tough i. I liked a lot of them. I think the. I think the wild didn't amazing job with there's I i really like what the blue jackets did. I know that's an extremely unpopular opinions. It's an extremely unpopular opinion. I don't care. I'm a. I think the capitals that are really good job I'm sad they didn't bring back capital hill. I have the capitol hill jersey and that weird like silvery bluish color then Team found one with my last name floating around in there like in their storage unit. And send it to me. And so i have that i would have liked to have seen a reverse version version of that But no matter. I kinda like having the diving eagle. I don't know. I think a lot of teams that are really good job with it. I'm sad that the i'm just as the avalanche it's a white jersey jersey so i think that's that's my biggest bone to pick with that one. 'cause i otherwise i think that would be my favorite. And they'd they went with white withdrew. Which kinda ruined it for me. That's how i feel about dallas and detroit and those are my least favorite detroit. Didn't do anything talk though. But but could detroit well so this is where you're right and this and we've said this multiple times down in this podcast is some teams just didn't have many roads to take because they never change jersey in there never never change their color. But i think given that that opens up the door to do whatever you want. I think at some level and to get really insanely creative and detroit did the opposite of insanely creative and dallas. It's just. I don't know if you've seen the full kit that they're gonna wear jerseys with the white paper assaulted wait head to toe and it's not. It's not a great look. Yeah it's not good. Not good. I i do. I resent my worst dancer though. I didn't like vancouver's didn't like tampa bay's but toronto using the lower case flash. It'll mashup letters. I feel bad for them. I it's not that i think are the ugliest per se. I just. I feel bad for them because it seems like somebody gave gave like an intern. The job and not not a particularly good interns. They gave like somebody's high school like high school child. Who was tagging along to work somehow. Got saddled with that job and didn't fully understand how to how to use the the design software that they were given so then somehow it made it through to production will own all. I think he entire project is a success. I think the most are either pretty good or they're exactly what they were to start with. You know like for example. The boston jersey is not that different from the current bosnian Yellow and yeah. They have the boo bear on the shoulder. But whatever it's not that is not that big a swing and then there's just a couple that are you know for each person. They're going to be great or they're going to be awful. But on the whole i really have enjoyed the whole process. I didn't expect to i. Usually i hate alternate jerseys. Usually i hate the the attempts but for some reason i wound up really enjoying this and as i said on twitter at the today. It's a lot better than the guardians project So i'm all for. I've enjoyed it. I'm happy they did it this year. I think if there was a season where we kind of needed. You know the prep from a league perspective. It's a potential extra money maker. They're they're selling this unique jersey and from a fan perspective if we're not going to get a chance to potentially go to a lot of the games This is just something fun different. And it'll keep people engaged in a season. That i think is gonna gonna be kinda hard for some fans to stay engaged and to be perfectly honest so you're probably right timing down. I wanna thank you very much for joining us. Thank you for having me.
Unschooling School with Heather MacTaggart
"Welcome to humans rising where we have conversations to raise awareness increase well-being and unleash your creativity and today I am talking with Heather McTaggart who has been working tirelessly for the past twenty three years to change the education system and to create a system that works for people and doesn't block our creativity in our ingenuity and so welcome heather. I'm so excited to have you in this conversation today. Thank you. I'm very happy to be here. So Heather McTaggart it's up to something truly remarkable in this kind of historic moment human history with creating unscrambling school, and so I'd really like to learn heather. How did you come to co found on schooling school? What is that all about? How can how can people get involved? So tell me what is unsettling school? So, unsettling school is really a movement, a gathering place online, a set of resources and an a community hub to help put power back where it belongs and that's in the hands of learners and and their families. and to say, okay, we have the public education system. It's full of resources and materials and and caring teachers. Why don't we use it? So that it benefits kids why don't we use in the service of kids? And what this is about as kind of Creating that idea in people's minds and having them say, yeah why don't we do that because we don't like a lot of what's going on right now. So let's say, sorry, we're in charge and we are going to insist that the publicly the public resources be used for the good of children. and. I think that that's remarkable. Because most people just look at the institution of school. And feel somewhat distanced from it. It seems like The institution has done a good job of telling parents that they do not have the know-how or the capacity to educate their kids. So they kind of trustingly just hand them over to this institution and you're trying to wake people up to a different understanding. Absolutely. Not only do we hand over we? We tend to think Oh teacher said this I must do it. Oh, the system thinks this. We have to do this Oh if you don't get high school diploma, your life is ruined. Like. These are dire things that that we've we've somehow mostly bought and swallowed and. Most, of them, you know we stayed on the website. It's nonsense. There's a lot of a lot of what we believed it is just nonsense. So what do you think is the some of the strongest beliefs that are just keeping the system frozen in place you know frozen in a way that really doesn't serve children. Well I mean all of the structures are self-reinforcing. So all of the. Fair bit of them or the sex act the same things that Dominating cultures have used to call colonize different places. So you take children away from their family. First of all, you divide them by age groups so they can't really learn from each other because they're only with seventy seven-year-olds you provide information that says there's a right answer and a wrong answer. So you're not allowed to be yourself and think differently, you have to just follow the the wrote progress that we should all do the same things the same time, and that there is a set of knowledge that if you have it, you will succeed in line. And none of that is true. Now none of that is true. In fact, it seems like by forcing kids just to sit still in process information, they slowly lose their they don't lose it but they lose the connection to their imagination and their creativity in their problem solving So yeah that is interesting when you start looking at schooling as a process of kind of colonizing individuals colonizing the mind. And we're just kind of complicit if we keep sending our kids to that system. Well, and the problem is that not everybody can do cannon school not everybody can home-school not everybody can find a really cool alternative like Sudbury valley or an agile learning center and send their kids there because there's an economic factor and and and also you know a double single parent factor So we we were going to in the long journey. If things I've tried to get the education system to change including here in Canada having meetings with multiple ministers of education multiple directors of education. Now, at one point, I had a handshake from Minister of Education for a province in Canada saying will have a contract in place, we will work with you to change the system. That was fourteen ago. In I've tried everything else we've run projects on on first nations reserves with first nations communities for ten years showing that alternative methods do work. But the problem with with that kind of work that. Most the. Situation in most reserves is not healthy. You know it's not a good situation so you can't just create a little island of of academics that works in a sea of a community that is full dysfunction. So you know the the and the part of the reason for doing that was to say look at. There's been a lot of damage done here and we all need to work together to to create solutions for that and while I. Still believe that is true. I think that we have to change the education system writ large in order to solve some of the larger problems that we've got in the world today and both in Canada and the US and in Australia and. New Zealand you know the situation with indigenous people is a big issue and and it behooves all of us to focus on. But you know maybe we need to get kids educated and different way in a way that hasn't killed their creativity and ingenuity so that they can figure this out because we're doing a pretty bad job of it as the adults. As the Huddleston the room we have not so visit all. Exactly, I don't think most people connect the dots between the problems that we see in the world and society with the way that people have been I don't even want to say educated not educated at schooled. And they just they think, oh, well, you know more school better. Count. Exactly. Exactly. So you know the I I love all the alternatives that have that have sprouted out. But when I tell people that you know Sudbury Valley school has been around for fifty years with phenomenal results and spawned probably four to five hundred other kinds of similar schools around the world and yet most people don't know about it. So how I mean us in our bubble, the bubble that you are in, we know all about this and we have so many friends that know about this but then you talk to. Just. Somebody randomly and they have no idea. They don't have never heard the term self directed education or on schooling. And so if we don't if we don't somehow. Really, seriously moved the needle in public education I I. Think it's it's hundreds of years before we have enough independent schools to actually make a big big change. I agree because I co-founded a Sudbury school in two thousand four and we ran for several years but could not get it to a point of financial sustainability. Because there really is this monopoly of the public school system. It's compulsory. It's required by law which a lot of people think Oh, you know they have freedom while you know it's it's you know you will get in a lot of trouble if you don't educate your kids in an illegal manner. So tell us more about the unscrambling school movement. Because as you said, you know you're not trying to start another private school or learning center. You're really trying to fundamentally change this system and empower communities to change the systems. So how how does that all work? Where you're right empowering is the is the correct word because what we're we're trying to say to kids into parents is this is your system. You pay for it you attended. So, get educated in terms of what does this all mean and You could spend several days on the unsettling school dot com website and learn all about you know schooling and self directed learning and how the brain really works in find the research and all that. So that's really the first step. We want people to understand what's out there and understand that there is an option that is not only viable but much much better. And so once they understand that than what we're saying with unsettling school is. Fill out the paperwork to become a free learner. And a free learner is somebody who's decided to take responsibility for their own education within the education system. So we have quite large section under the Free Learner Tab. And colonie. We've developed something called the Free Learner iep individual education plan. So. We are in a sense co-opting some of the terminology that's commonly used in schools so that educators will understand it. Oh, they've got an IEP. Yeah, I guess. Against we have to I, guess we have to listen to that. But this is an EP that is is determined not by some outside expert, but by child themselves with support of their parents. And it says here are the things that I'm going to participate in school. So for example, I love science class. And I. Love Music But. I have no interest in English literature and I don't like the way gym classes. So I'm not gonNA tend those clauses. And instead when classes doing something. I'm not interested in I will go to the library and and read up on on science material or I will stay in the art room and continue with my art project. And The the Ip also has pretty large section free learn I P for responsibility. So we say on the website with with great risk with great freedom comes great responsibility, and if you were going to take responsibility for your education than that means that you also need to be responsible for yourself in the context of the school community. And just because you don't have to do the math lesson doesn't mean you can pester her the living daylights out of the kid beside you who is doing the math lesson. So. What we've tried to do, and this is A. This is like a living system. Right is is not okay. It's done. Everybody go doing. This is we've got tools and resources to help people, and what we hope happens as people engage in this, declare themselves or their child to freelance go in and have conversations with the school says I'm a free learner. This is what this means. This is what this looks like. Then, they will probably Oh if I'd only had this or if I'd had the answer to this question and that might have helped me. So that's where we have a lot of feedback opportunities on the on the site to get in touch with my phone numbers there anybody can call me anytime I will help walk them walk into the process. So that that is really kind of the core of it is to To realize that we have agency. And that we don't need to listen to a system that has told us this is what you must do. This is the order you must do it him. Brilliant? I mean I've always thought that every person should have an individual learning plan or you know as you say. E because we're all wired differently, we come in with different gifts and different talents and to March kids through a standardized curriculum at the same time in the same pace it, it doesn't make any sense it really doesn't but what so this is an opportunity for K. through twelve students is that right? I mean certainly university student could take the same type but that's not where we're going at this point. It's closer to what university already is right. If you're taking a class and you hate you, you you you to quit and go to another one. May I think this? This statistics are something like one hundred and ten percent of kids changed their major in university. That's because several of them, change it many times. Right. That's okay. And so I can see how this would be pretty smooth for elementary middle school went. But then when you hit high school, every state has their graduation requirements. So as you're putting together an IEP in the state island, you need four years of English in three years of math and three years of science. Are you helping the families, the individual learner figure out how they would meet those requirements in a way that really honored their interests and you know how they how they like to learn. Well, there are several ways to go. So I mean some people may say, okay, how can I do exactly that how can I still meet the requirements but do it in a way that works more for me? What can I negotiate with the school? You know we we all know that in life negotiation and persuasion are incredibly important skills to have and we don't provide enough opportunity for kids to practice those except for you. Know at home and I'm not gonna eat that and this is going to bed but it put in school. It would be where the stakes are higher and where it's not your family to learn how to become good at saying this is my case and this is what I want in persuading others to to go along. So that's one route, the other route in, and there's a pretty significant section about this on the website is. A high school diploma all. and. Are there other ways to demonstrate that you have the attitude skills and knowledge you need for whatever is next in life for you? Other than. Diploma. And Short answer is, yes, we have. We have also outlined the process of what we call a free learner diploma. which is really an exercise in readiness. So we sort of outlined a process where you say to yourself am I ready. And and it's a little along the lines actually modeled on the subway valley kind of thesis Exit Diploma and and that the student would create a thesis that demonstrates that to themselves and to the world that they are ready for whatever's next in their life. And then to assemble a committee that of people that you admire and respect that are going to read that these and and question you on it like like you would do You know when you're gets challenged if you're in doing a PhD or something like that. So it's a if you look at it, it's a pretty darn rigorous process and and that means it drew as the as a young person have to know what is next for me and and I sure that I have what I need to get there, and if you don't then to go do that. So in some cases that might be, yes, you do need a high school diploma. In other cases it may be take some open university courses prove that you're already at the university level and use those courses to transfer into a university or college they want. and. That's just one way I believe that there's is on some of the websites we reference or something eleven different ways to get into higher education without a high school diploma. seriously. Think that that's you know it's that's the big kind of carrot and stick that also keeps the K twelve system frozen is once Harvard said while you need Algebra, one and geometry and Algebra two like all the other universities followed suit and it became high school requirements and people are. So I mean even in middle school they start telling kids you've got to do this or you won't get into college and if you don't get into college while you're going to end up homeless in a ditch flipping Burgers, it's it's it's just so much. So fear based, but it's completely fear based and what I found because I've I've tried as a for over twenty years to unravel this. What I found is everyone blamed everybody else So the high schools, the school system will say. We have to do this because this is what universities or colleges expect. And you know or the ministry, the ministry, and then you go to ministry and then they say, well, this is what the colleges want, and then you go to the colleges and they say, well, this is what the high schools give us. It's not really what we want, but we have to kind of use their terminology try to get what it is that we really want. You know, and then you'll have universities saying, well, this is what employers want her you know what society expects. There, they've stopped singing that tune. Because I think they've realized that you know the CS Caesar, what we're now saying the six cs or what's really important and we're not we're realizing when the World Economic Forum realizes Jesus not not the skills that are coming out of of the regular system then maybe that's another. You know another opportunity to say look at this differently. So what are the six C's So the four that are generally recognized starting to be more recognized our creativity, communication collaboration and critical thinking. And when you extend a little beyond that because that's that's all quite of individual focused. the other two are compassion and community. So, they add up to you know if you could say as as a mother that your children had those. Sees you'd be pretty darn happy. New having followed the self directed education route. I can confidently say that they do. at I do I can see that the school system not only does it not foster these foresees but the system in this structure really prevents a lot of it. I mean communications you're not allowed to speak. You can have numbers stations, you're not allowed to collaborate that's cheating. Right, answer is you know the antithesis of creativity. So. Yeah. That's interesting that but how do people you know stop just talking about these foresees actually change the system to promote them I. Guess that's what unsettling school is all about 'cause 'cause we know that the way to do that is to let kids learn what they're interested in. To provide the beautiful environment where they can educate themselves. You Know Been Peter. Gray. How many times does he need to say this that we are biologically born to educate ourselves? And and driven to succeed in the society into which were born. And all we need is nice access to the tools to do that and supportive caring. Loving people. We have all that in schools. We just need to say you know what we insist that we be able to use it for that purpose. In the service of the Child Not in the service of a system, which is how it seems to be running right now. Well and I. Love that this movement is uniting learners, parents, educators, community leaders towards the service of what do children need to be ready for what's next because when people are honest they don't know what's next. No they absolutely down I? Think they're very recent report saying that I think this was out of Word Economic Forum as well. That something like sixty for kids entering primary school right now sixty two percent of them will be in jobs that don't even exist right now. So, how can we possibly say here's the curriculum. Here's what you need when we really we have no idea. Right, and how can we burden adults to continue pretending that they have the answers? I, mean they have to stay you know step into this role of I know what you're going to need. You know fifteen years in the navy can't possibly but I think what what it comes down to for me and I I would think for you as well. Is that the understanding that children already have everything they need inside of them to become the best versions of themselves If. Meant and as you said, we're not saying we're just GONNA like throw them into the school building. Go. Have you know it's Not Lord of the flies here. Right it's we're still having mentors and support and guidance and resources, but it's being chosen by the children right rather than being forced upon them absolately and I'm so happy mentioned Lord of the flies. You probably had this experience when I read that in school it made me so angry. Because all I can think of this this is absurd if I was on this island, there would have been a little area that was safer for younger children to play with. There would have been a teams organized for WHO's doing fishing today and who's doing the WHO's it would not have looked like that. And I don't I don't move. You saw it but in the Guardian in the UK excuse me. There is a story called the real lord of the flies. And there was a group of kids that set off from one of the islands or near sorted in Tahiti kind of area and they they took a book about when they weren't supposed to end. They got lost and they were marooned on an island much like this. I believe it was eight months. And when they were found. Nobody was dead. Nobody was injured. They had taken care of themselves taking care of each other there was it was a multi age group it had operated like a perfect little community. And it was all boys so. Even while little boys can be. Together and not and not run into this so. That whole idea in fact that you know the author of that was was a very depressed man and so he gave a very depressed version of of humanity and that's that's not what kids are really like kids given their own druthers will will figure it out because as you say, that is that is who we are. Right but but I think that's the belief. Okay. If you let children direct their own learning if you let them follow their interests, they're going to sit around and eat twinkies and play video games and not add any value. Oxygen Myth. It is a complete toxic man. I read. So many things lately, I can't remember where I read this. I. Think it was the gracelands work and she talked about study that was done where. Kids were allowed to eat whatever they want to on each plate was the Broccoli and the the piece of fish and the piece of chocolate cake at the same time. And they found that after they done this for a while, kids went for the Brockley just as often as they went for the piece of Cake I. So they they I call it the allure of the illicit. When we make something illicit like chocolate cake or you have to eat your vegetables I or you can only have so much time on the screen or you can only play video game for so long then we want more and worth that because who it's naughty. when we take that away. Then you know your natural instincts I mean we need to we need to move around. You know sitting all day long and just at a screen is not natural but when there's nothing Forbidden about it. It becomes less sexy. And And kids can move back to who they who they would naturally be, which is hall bounced. I know we like, I see adolescence because I have to and they want to do real work they want to add real value to society. They don't want to be locked up doing make work or being forced to compete in this artificial academic game. And you know adolescence didn't use to exist right? It was invented. Well you know the interesting late because we were talking earlier about book that I wrote many years ago with John. Abbott. From the from the UK and one of the main points in that was that adolescence used to be a time where I mean we do know that brain. Wise. You know it's I believe twelve percent of the connections that had been established in childhood are are breaking apart in looking for new connections and that's there so that the human species progress and be different than the previous generation. You know we don't we all say that we want our kids to be like this but none of us will say, Oh, I, want to be exactly like my mother you know we. We. Matter. How great my mother was. So the purpose of adolescents, actually differentiation from your parents so that we could go on and do new things. You know when we when we all came from the, you know the Fertile Crescent, you know you the tribes there only were in a certain area. It was adolescence that said, you know what I WANNA go further no, no, no, it's dangerous. We don't know what do you know what to batum going? And there's a there's a belief that that's how humanity spread around the globe is with the sort of unrest and the desire to do something different and. Maybe, even dangerous that the kids have. So, one of the stories we're talk about is that there's a code in in British Columbia puget sound. And it was named after one of the captains of the ships that came over from Britain and the first time that this boy Peter Puget came he was twelve years old and he was a cabin boy he was a a servant. By the time he was fourteen, he was the captain of the ship. Wow Fourteen. I mean there's a reason kids can't sleep at night is because they're they're meant to be up like watching the flock to make sure the wolves don't come. Mean these things you know these biological things are in this There's people that research indicates that we're you know we don't change genetically it takes ten thousand years you know for a genetic change. So we are still all hunter gatherers. And our instincts in our even our is our you know men's and women's is different because. Of of the different roles that people had for so so so long. And so to say, we shouldn't. Let Adolescence to real things is absolutely against their nature. That they should be out there. That's why they're so interested in sex drugs and rock and roll because we won't let them do anything else. But. If we had jaw if they had jobs that they could go work like that's another thing to think about down the road is, how do we change these age restrictions? You know kids if they're able should be allowed to work not forced to work course. Age restrictions were put in her kids own good. And that's why we've got a lot of education just rights for your own good but times change. We need to change the structures because end up hurting people's that are helping. So, if we could. Face the you know the natural inclinations of these these young adults sometimes called adolescents these really. Creative. Restless. Young adults if we could. All of their capacities versus what we're doing now, which is just reinforcing the status quo. you know what would that, what would that look like and because you're saying, okay, you don't really need a high school diploma and you know I I agree there's the I. Think it's called the mastery consortium, which is the top tier of private schools in the United. States are ditching the gray based report cards and showing mastery and competence in portfolios. But you know it'll probably take decades before that would trickle into the public school system. But to see those are those are the institutions that are creating the I. Guess Leaders, future leaders and A. See. The futility of this subject based learning in the grading methods So if if if a community said, you know this sounds really great I want to approach my school and see if we can create an environment for free learners I want my kids to be free learners As you said, you go to the website do start having conversations with your friends. I. Mean because the one thing that I read also an article by Peter Gray psychology today recently, that was saying that people because we're social animals we want to be perceived as normal. Even if I see that my kid hate school that their their love of learning has gone out of them they're the spark in there is dimming I'm still going to do what's normal how do we make on schooling school the new normal I guess well, I think we start with the people who don't care. We. Don't care. We don't care about how they look. So we we don't think this is a movement that is going to catch on overnight with everybody. We think there's probably about one percent of people who are right who right this very moment are absolutely ready for this. And their kids who don't care what other people think about them in the same way you know that the peer pressure is like I don't care. You know I'm GonNa wear it. I'M GONNA wear my hair. You know in five ponytails to the top of my head today and I don't care if anybody likes it is that kind of kid that is is going to be brave enough to just say free learner great parents. Let's get on board. Let me do this. And, it's also going to take a certain kind of family world says all right. This is you know we understand the research we booked at this. We know schools not not serving you the way it should, and we're we're behind you. And then we we really strongly encourage this try to find other like minded people because when when you've got groups voices amplified. Now do we think that there's towns or cities here and there or schools here in there with? A single child has brave enough to do this on their own. Yup I would have. I would have done it. No problem in my mother would have been behind me. And I wish I had thought of it. Then 'cause I found school beyond hellacious. So. But really the the the way this is going to happen as a movement is if people joined together, people start having friends over for coffee and talking and saying, Hey, you know we're thinking of doing this with. You know with Georgie what do you think and having conversations in and saying, Yep, let's let's go all in and meet with the principal in a group of five of us. Or Group of three. Right. That's more powerful. Well. On the truth is there's never been a better time for this movement to just you know expand Decades of research that come from psychology and neuro science and biology news. You said that just show that unions are designed to be free learners. that's the natural state It's they're not designed to be these you now computer like information processors. So I mean but do you appeal to people's you know rational thinking with the research or do peel to their emotional understanding of the kids not happy as you said, school for me was very hellacious to I was a good student, but I was just ordered to tears. Yeah. So I was at the other end, I was a bad student and frustrated. you know the The the kindergarten teacher said to my mother. Oh Heather is brilliant. She should really be going straight integrate two by two they hit on heather is an imbecile we to might end up in an institution. Literally. That was said to my mother and I didn't learn to read 'til grade six I. Mean I just had one issue after the other but for some weird reason. I. Knew In my soul it's them. Not me I'm fine. I. Mean I felt bad. I felt I was taunted by other kids and that kind of is I'm not wasn't doing what you're supposed to be doing but inside me I didn't I didn't feel diminishing I don't know if that's because. I was born like that or because I had a loving supportive family in. A day of hunger in my life and you know in many things of being born into privilege situation. So. And other things that I was good at our dance and I was cute. So I you know I got good feedback from those things despite the fact that my. My marks? Beyond. Abysmal and then it all came together and university. I got straight as so that like how does that make sense? I barely got there. And then I get straight days. But I think it's because I was interested in what I was studying. And and I was much more in control of it. So why the heck are we waiting for that long? You know why does somebody have to be eighteen or nineteen or seventeen years old until they can really truly pick their courses in the areas that they're interested in. It's It doesn't make any sense now it doesn't make any sense, and so you're. Saying when you don't really need a high school diploma I, guess that of course follows on that you don't except for maybe a few. Professions need a college degree and I see. Kids all around the United States saying I'm definitely going to defer I'm not GonNa, go to college or university in this crazy situation So if you if you start with what's next, what do you WanNa do and you reverse engineer it seems like the Education Catholic so different doesn't it? Absolutely and I love that term reverse engineering you know and I think that everybody should should think of their life in that way where do I think I wanna go and how do I? How do I you know backwards design a process that might get me there. And I don't know if you'd heard. Peter's great talk at the Arrow conference earlier in the summer. and. His new book is have sections around. You know what are we actually biologically designed to do different sort of phases in our life? And talks about not going directly to university or college, but instead have period where you try on careers. So if you think an Meyer you mean would be, let's do this. When kids are thirteen, fourteen and fifteen, they don't even need to wait till seventeen eighteen. So if you think you WANNA be a doctor. You. Know go go find a hospital or a doctor's office where you can volunteer you know take people's coats, bring them glasses of water do something so that you can be in that environment and see if you like it or not. because. That's a whole lot of education to find out I. don't like hanging around sick people. That is yeah. That is exactly right and I think everyone did take that approach and it doesn't mean that what you think you WanNa do when you're fourteen seventeen eighteen is going to be your your life because. I think that's the other myth like lives careers, their linear I loved I read a book by Catherine Bateson and she was talking about your life is like a quilt and you're working on one patch at a time but you don't know where how it all fits. But at least if you yourself in the direction of your dreams and and your courageous and you don't feel limited by other people's negative opinions of you know something. Going to happen I believe. Absolutely. I love. That's a wonderful analogy. Life is a quilt teach at a time. I mean, if somebody had told me when I was in high school that I was going to end up in education, I would have said you're out of your mind. Got Is not going to happen. So you know the thing is not to try to figure out what the end goal is but really what's next and what what do I think might be next so I think might like to be in the medical profession. So let's try that on. Okay. Now I don't like that. You know but while I was at a doctor's office, somebody came in and was building a new wall. That looks cool. I think I might like to Gartner well, let me go see what that is like and to have that experimentation period during the teen years. with real work and real things. So you can. Figure that out and then you might say, oh. Wow. I need to take biology and chemistry in functions and you know things how can I do that? Is that, of course being offered at my school? Do I need to go online? Do. I. Need to hire a tutor need to work a part time job so I can hire a tutor like how? How am I going to do that that exercise of problem solving? For how you're GonNa get what you want. Is, exactly the kind of skill we need children to have as they enter battle. You know that is exactly right and then if you are doing biology or chemistry because it's part of your path, it's going to be meaningful. You're going to remember it. You're GonNa not just forget it after the test. And you know it reminds me of what's taken. You know you know go in the corporate world everybody's talking about design thinking. I that's just an it's all about fail fast and iterative end. So why aren't we doing that with our own lives because our lives are so much more important than any product or company? Yeah Yeah, exactly it The whole idea of failure. You know that that is perpetuated as a bad thing pillars a great thing just just as you say, do it faster? Dry. doesn't work do something else. Let's do something else. You Know Ed being able to drop out or opt out or decide. You're not going to stick with something in school is a good thing. We have this false notion that Oh, well, they don't if they are made to take certain courses how there and learn to stick something out. Well, you learn to stick something out when you're passionate about it. You know I am not a techie person at all. It is not a natural thing for me. The little animated video on animals are not a writer. The. Little animated video on the beginning of the schooling school dot com website, I made it. I'm a little self I learned how to use the program I. Did it. It was frustrating and many bad words were spoken aloud in my in my kitchen but I did it. Because I needed to there was nobody else to do it? So I did and I figured it out. and. That's what that's. What creates stick stick with it is you have a personal need to do something. Right. Right and that's true self agency. This needs to get done on going to do it, and so I loved on schooling. So website you're inviting people to be responsible subversives. Particularly Educator so The Responsible Service Responsible. Subversive is actually a term from my book with John Abbott which is. A quote is from European situation where. People were trying to get out of the Soviet bloc and they would act like good civil servants every day, but then at night dropped leaflets. Out of out of window so they would be caught by the wind and distributed to everybody to say, we need to change this regime. So we Kinda keep the lights on, but you work for change. And and we know while, for example, the the group, this sort of the core group of six people that have been that are north, American wide and and dairy a hand from England. between those six people we have two hundred and twenty nine years of experience in the education, system? At, every level. In in forty five towns and eleven countries. So, there is there is depth of experience there in terms of what people have seen and no, and and this group has said you know what? This is the way we think the change can happen is we empower we empower students we empower parents and we let teachers know look this is a great thing you can come along with this. Because there wouldn't be so many in our core group is on the only one that didn't go to teacher's College. So it's all people who have been in the system and know that needs to change, and we know there are lots and lots of them out there. And so you know one of the one of the reasons you often hear teachers say well, I can't change because parents are. You know they're they want more they want higher standards. They WanNa see those marks on the report card they want their kid to. Go to Columbia. They want these things and so we have to keep toeing the party line. Well, be very, very different conversation if that's not what parents were pushing for. You the educators they get, it would be able to say, Oh, this is great. What can we? How do we support you? How do we help make this happen? How do we spread? So the opportunity for learners is to become free learners the opportunity for educators to become a responsible subversive and so. On the website on your website is there a path for educators to follow as well? Then? Yes yes there is in its under the it's on the far right tap and it says educators, and then it goes into responsible subversives and and and line educators It is also a section that that we we would like to do more on it. It gives them links and other support and resources and other books that are in along these lines. including a new one that has recently out called transforming. Education by Wayne Wayne last name suddenly out of my mind hold on I will I will get it again in a minute will say say, but transforming transforming education is is the book and it's very good in it is really you know for educators. Wayne Jenex. Yet because what I've seen in public education is you'll get kind of an enlightened principle that will join a school and have a big vision of transforming the school and will do it for a few years and then the principal moves on and other person comes in and all of the changes than. Undone. So I think that's the challenge is if the system is so rigid. And everything that's done serves that rigid system but which are really calling for is okay. This system was designed to serve people you know. Our people. And the people need to say, Hey, it's not serving our needs exactly just stand up and say, no, we don't accept this and I mean I think there are. There are probably very few exceptions where reasonable people come together politely but firmly and say, this is what we're doing, and this is what our child's doing not doing. This is what art our group of children are doing or not doing. You're not gonNA have police come in and arrest five families. Because they've not been, they've decided to opt out of the standardized test. there. Is Fear of that kind of thing. But I think the ditch I mean certainly, candidate would never happen ever. And I, even I think even in places So unlikely especially, if you have a group, you know that saying this is what we believe in In fact, it would be super media attention. University positive way. To have to have that happen because. That's The the system. Is You. Know there's no such thing as systems there's only people. and. Collectively, they have bought into a certain way of thinking. and. In almost every while I think in every every school in every school board and ministry across certainly North America there is somewhere a statement that says, children are the center of all we do. I've never seen a place that actually operates that way. In the in the regular system. So what this is saying, okay, Great. Find find a line in your child's school statement find a line in the Ministry of the board that is aligned with what we're talking about and go and say, Hey. We've decided to operate according to this. because. Ultimately, I, mean people go into education because they love kids and they care about them. And then they get caught up in the rules and the regulations and the structures. And I think it's very freeing. This is a very free concept for educators as well. For many of them. And and then if they have the support in the encouragement and the the nurturing of of kids and families. Then, they'll be able to. You know exercise. Very. Interesting freedoms themselves. When it seems to me that it comes down to a conversation about values. What do you value? And when I was trying to start the charter schools in California, I would go to multiple school board meetings, and the only thing they ever talked about was test results in money. And I don't think that most parents value that. I think that they would prefer the well being of their children and when I look at the skyrocketing. Rates of anxiety stress depression suicide in high school, and college. I think we'll. We're definitely doing something wrong here. And and we know it's getting worse. I. Mean it's it's what is it eighty percent up from from the fifties? I mean. It's a huge huge problem. And Peter Graves research indicates that it is absolutely correlates to a lack of of free play time for kids and only increased schooling but increased school is ation of everything. So you can't just have a kid group of kids together a in a street in a block off the street and they start playing soccer or baseball or go to their local park and do this because everything's organized. Everything's. You. Now, what are you doing next and there's no freedom and and you know the the belief that child is going to be abducted at every turn is. Absolutely incorrect belief. We know that statistically the chances are unbelievably minute. But we've we've reorganized our whole society around us. So what do know though is that that schools are safe places. and. So if we just change how we look at them. And how we take advantage of the Services and the resources in the environments that they provide than they could be places of free play. And exploration and gathering together with kids in multiple age groups and. Saying to an adult in the room or in the in the building hey, we all Wanna learn about Who who's, who's an expert on amphibians that can come talk to us about this? These kinds of things would obviously they would. They would come up naturally as you've seen with your with. Home School Your Kids I love the story about your. Own Daughter, being so interested in stem. Royce, what about stem will you know lots of people are interested in stab you can't make somebody who doesn't care boats damn interested in it simply by forcing them to do it. Now, I mean, it was incredible because I just get all these bashers science books and she was maybe five years old and I walked by the bathroom she standing in the bathroom looking in the mirror and she had just cut her arm her hand and she looks in the and he goes B. Cells T. cells get to work. He'll this cut. Old. She was like four five. Stephen. And I would if I sat down and said, we're GONNA study biology and how the human body works today she been like why thank you? Well I I I totally understand that my son was as a little boy, very interested in bugs and in nature and leaves digging in the dirt in all these things and I thought ha after too artsy fartsy. I'm finally going to get a scientist and No. He is soon as they started learning about it in school. I'd say, Oh, you're taking signs. It must be pretty cool. He said no I. Don't like it anymore. It just killed this sort of the repetition in the memorizing in the the structure of it just killed his interest, but it's date killed. It's not it's not ever come back. You know he's twenty six. So, it can can really do damage and I thought that there was. There was a natural. Inclination to that. But you on fifteen years of schooling, and that can get rid of anything. It really can can squash any passion. Ever had I love carole black talking about how she had to keep all of her interests and passions out of school so they didn't kill it. And what to what you're advocating for on schooling school is not just that they're using the resources in the facilities at the schools like. Ours, but they could actually Kinda I duNNO CARVE OUT A. Mini school within the school or I'm trying to envision how this might work in a community. That's do this. Well. So the school within a school concept is exactly where we think this could go in fairly short order. You know if you had ten twenty kids in one school that were all declared free learners and you know we're we're picking and choosing what they were doing or not doing pretty quickly the school would say I. Don't we got fewer kids in class or we've we've had to rearrange how the sort of the the movement of kids. There's X. Room over here. Why don't we make that the Free Learner Room? And you know we can books and computers in resources and things in it, and then it's who are free learners and they're in a class that they don't Wanna participate and they can just go to the free learner room. You and then that kind of thing would spread and spread and spread until we have a point where half the school is operating on a regular basis. and. The other half is operating is free learners and but the great thing is that the free learners will opt into the classes being taught in the regular system based on their interest. Along be pretty quickly, the system finds out known seems to be opting into this class. I wonder what that means. Maybe no one cares or maybe this teacher is doing a horrible job and everybody's over here. You know in Mrs Fields? Class. This must be really right. Now I mean that is so exciting to me I mean just thinking about those three things if you had every kid in the school to a free learner plan if they were able to opt in just to the classes that were interesting to them around their path and if there was a free learner room, just those three things would I think create so much transformation and so much good for the and also for the teachers who would be like I'm not enjoying teaching this class at nobody's interested in. Let me do something I'm interested in teaching. They have passions as well. We'll have absolutely and you know the anxiety and depression rate around. Kids is not dissimilar to teachers. I mean, it's a very stressed group. You know there's there's there's research on on not the increase in that in exile and depression amongst teachers because it's tough you're constantly making people do what they don't want to do. As. Being the poor the poor woman that hands out the parking tickets. Everybody's mad at you all the time. Yeah. No a woman reached out to me is living in California just went back. Teaching three days of kindergarten a week and she said I need to talk to you caprice because the level of control that I have to exert is just killing my soul you. Want to be doing this so. Don't with a wonderful description everything I needed to know I learned in kindergarten. We can't say that anymore because we've school is kindergarten. Move wrecked it. It's A. Horrible that was the final Straw for me. I mean, there's there has been a movement instantly on -Tario and other parts of candidates kind of undo some of that you know in. Free. Plane Things. There's still a lot of structure and they're still an unseen report card. For a child in kindergarten. Thank you. Spend X. amount of time can build a block stack three blocks high you know. Good Grief Child had a good day today they get along well with other friends. They're fun and inquisitive done in your report card. Right to if yes, I mean back to values if we wanted an education system that preserved children's wholeness, their wellbeing their curiosity, their creativity, their imagination like all of these things that makes humans. Amazing. I. It would look completely different. So it's really what do you value? What do you want for your children? At. Talks mainly to homeschooling groups but the main thing they say is they just want their kids to be happy. And we have we have not put any value really on that at all as as as a system you know think. At all. I mean my my middle daughter. Who really is a big part of my? My empathy, you know my sort of motivation for all of this because. She had some of the same issues that I did in terms of not doing the regular things at the regular time. And remember her in tears and Mindy Sang. Honey. This is not you. It's them. It's the system. You're fine. You're great exactly as you are. You know but system, and that's what Mommy's working to do and I heard crying Tang. Can you hurry up? in an and that change did not happen and she struggled and got went down many bad roads because of an and then sort of woke up one day in eighteen year old and said, I'm going to you know I'm going to get my life together and. She's Malia at the top restaurant in Canada. And that takes a lot of studying. A lot of study to know you know where does this great grow in wet grade Bizet and what's the tear Laar and all of that in chemistry of of the soil and all these things that she had absolutely no interest in when somebody was trying to teach them to her. When she decided, she was in control and realized she was in control she was. She was rabid about it. You can barely have a conversation with her because she was so busy studying. And I thought why? Why did we have to go through all the hell that we did for her at in Herat lessons? With with other people telling you what to do an assistant said you're stupid. Skipped over that. Part. And Anger on grey to straight to a you know a life she was empowering herself to do things. Yes I mean I talked to Kirsten of Olson in wounded by school where she said out to Salo how did all these wildly successful people like what did their school experience do to prepare them and she found the opposite that they just survived school and they were all wounded in different ways. So I think it's it's really time to have this conversation about the damage that schooling is doing. And that we have the capacity to create a system that works. and. Know who cares at the textbook manufactures GonNa make as much money or the testing system in a company's market 'cause I point out in my book at one point three, five, trillion dollar industry here folks that were trying to disrupt But it's time I don't I agree we can't wait another generation for the. No and I will not I will not allow my as of yet unplanned unconsumed an unborn future grandchildren participate in the system visit is. I am rabbit a vote about helping to create opportunities for doing otherwise, and you know as as much as there are many really bad things about coded and people who are are suffering because of it. There are also opportunities because it is a disruption. So wire why not seize this opportunity so okay, we can't send our kids back to school as usual. Good. Good. How else can we do it? And and what and what can we learn from the unscrewing movement about how do you have kids come together at certain times but maybe not all the time how do you distribute them? More widely widely over the over the school building. You know if we if we just said this year know what? Twenty, twenty, twenty, one we're just GONNA take a year off of curriculum. We're just GonNa let that one thing go maybe except for kids in their grade twelve year is that might be a bridge too far right now but we're just going for the rest of the systems were just going to say we're not GonNa have curriculum or let kids. Gather around themes and ideas and areas that are of interest to them. And the teachers that are around are going to support them either online or in. You imagined that just changed that that would have the depressure that it would take off the system I'm actual sorry for the administrators and the teachers that are trying to do the normal thing in a situation that is so far from normal. Because, they're still trying to say, okay. But what about math twenty and what about this class and what about these outcomes? Just. Let it go. Let it go just for this year. Let's see what happens. Yes if you could just let it go for one year, trust that humans are designed to learn and the natural learning process is beautiful in Tis not need to be controlled Ben. Amazing things could really happen. It's in some ways you think okay maybe that's it. Maybe there there's some there always are silver linings to clouds. No matter how dark clouds are there there's always an upside down. And and can we look at that? At. That situation that we're in now and say, all right, how do we? How do we really? Step back. and think about what's important here and I've seen sort of good evidence of of ministries in boards coming out with statements of saying things like let's focus on on health and well being of kids right now. Let's. Really put that is as what we'RE OUR OUR MAIN PRIORITIES So. Great. An what we're. Hoping to do with the idea of of people being designated free learners is to. Expand on that. You know this is my and even if parents said, you know what? Let's try this for year. Let's start right now for year because we're going to school as usual is tough. So we're going to be free learners and education. This is what we're going to participate in non. And I bet we'd find a lot of teachers coming on board and saying well, okay, Great. These these fifteen kids are taken care of in this way I'll support them much easier to support them in conversation groups online. and. And some things in person than it is to try to run thirty thirty five kids through the same thing. Every day. That's true and I know that these kids are just really really starving to have. Conversation in connection said that would be even if just started with fifteen kids I I agree and Well, thank you so much heather I'm appoint people to the UNSCREWING school dot Com website where you and your team with two hundred, twenty, nine years of experiencing education have put together really a phenomenal resources and and as Heather said, she is available of this conversation has sparked your curiosity to reach out to heather or someone on her team directly, and they will guide you through the process of bringing unsettling school into your your local school, your community. Absolutely. R K will thank you so much heather and if you've enjoyed listening to this podcast, please subscribe to let me know and people find me on Itunes if you leave a review and they can learn about it and I think as you've seen what we're talking about today is is very important and we wanna really really you know help people like heather expand their impact. So thank you for listening. Thank you.
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"Hello, good, morning, and welcome. My name is Graham and I'm delighted to be with your today as we start these journeys into asking what it is to be really free free from constraints and conformity free from constant testing and peer pressure and free from unsafe an uninspiring school environments. Free to let children explore the world around them through play corporation and inspiration free to let children learn naturally following their curiosity, and then this creativity recounted that learning isn't about going well at school it's about engaging with. You you. Carrying you miss around. In today's show we ponder a different future and go to the heart of the matter and asked what education could look like in say five or ten years. We ask you colleges for everyone and what employers are actually looking for in today's ever changing market can the years of debt obtaining a vague degree to pursue a career that may not even exist in a few years ever shadow of? Varied work experience demonstrating dedication innovation and hard work from a young age can home schoolers and any student for that matter stop building their online presence. Then seek out companies that may take them on as an apprentice in businesses. They already have a deep understanding of and interest in. Well, today's guest has spent many years questioning these very topics. Today we welcomed the endlessly positive and always inspiring Isaac Morehouse. Isaac is the CEO of crash, the career launch platform and practice a startup apprenticeship program. Isaac founded practice back in two thousand thirteen with a now proven track record of hundreds of students gaining guidance to pursue careers they actually enjoy. So massive. Thank you for joining us today. Isaac. Hey. Thanks so much for having me grandma I'm really really thrilled to be here. Love what you're doing. And you to start off by telling us a little bit about your own schooling I'm looking back. We just like to get an insight into how you look back on that. Now I was positive or negative experience and juicy. You use any skills from those days helping you today in your entrepreneurship endeavors. Yes absolutely. I have very positive. Educational Experience. So my my mom home-schooled me and my two older siblings and my dad was in a car accident when I was three and has a closed head injury. He requires twenty four hour care and he lived at home with us but there was always home health aides in the house to help out with him. So essentially my mom was you know not not only a single mother but actually raising three kids as well as taking care of a disabled husband. And they had decided to home school us before my dad got the accidents just because they didn't like. The things that were being taught in the quality of education in the public school system and the private school system is. Often really similar but also really expensive meds an accountant he was very cheap. And they and my mom was a teacher had had taught special ed in in loves teaching. So they had love this idea. So after my dad was in the exit, my mom's stuck with it. And we had swerve by necessity because of you know my mom doing this alone taking care of her husband we had a very unstructured schooling experience. My mom did not think this was good. She always felt guilty about it. She felt bad, I mean we had home school classes. There was a big home school community where we grow in West. Michigan. So we had some classes in coops and there were. Sports teams you know basketball team in some of that stuff, and we had a quite robust social life based around your church and home schooling groups. But in terms of like sitting there doing subjects and homework curriculum, you know she would go to these curriculum fares by a bunch of stuff. Get all excited and we just never do. We'd kind of because she'd get busy and we'd all like scattering play Lagos. Until she came back and said you're supposed to be doing and so She always felt like it was not structured enough. We should be doing all this stuff. You know we we knew some home schoolers who were doing like Latin and Greek and all this highly structured, and we were not in effect it was unschooled. So we had a ton of independence and you know the need to sort of take care of ourselves in many ways and a lot of responsibility. So household chores, things like that making meals and laundry. You know I i. we had different jobs, paper outs and stuff from a very young age, and that was that was always something that was emphasized and again partially because it was a necessity, my mom needed help with a lot of this stuff with my dad not being sort of you know in the picture of needing help as well. So might my childhood was a very short of? Wild. Almost chaotic at times mix of interacting with a lot of different people doing some classes in some clubs and submission trips and stuff with church and very little structure in the schooling curriculum side a lot of responsibility with chores and sort of work and things to do in. I cannot ask for anything more I. Think it was a really great combination, my Sophomore Year of high school my. Brother and sister were both out of house most of the time with jobs and things and I. I was Kinda like stuck there and feeling lonely and a couple of my friends went to a small private school to play on the basketball team here because it was better than the home school team, and so I decided to go join them for a year and went to this private. School for a year and it was fine. I had a fine experience and enjoy the social aspects. But I remember feeling like man, this is so limiting I have to be here everyday the same hours every day I have to be on the same pace as everyone else whether or not I need to. You know we're all just sort of tracked here as if we're all like uniform widgets. Can earn money during the day which I had sort of been accustomed to. Sort of flex things in Taylor them to my own schedule It just felt really constraining so. After that, I went straight to community college and Kinda work classes around my work schedule and. Know. Sort of got regained some of that independence in my schedule. So I loved the way that we were sort of unskilled and I think my mom felt guilty about it for years and now that I think all of her kids were all unscrewing our own kids and we all have a more radical version of home schooling. I. Think she now sees Hey, that actually might not have been too bad. Roy So she was almost a pioneer at the time of unscrambling yet. Dental Phya near. Yes. That's great. Yeah. So When you decided to carry their own in your own family. Did you have any sort of philosophies? Did you study any in particular is there anywhere you might recommend people to to look into these audited just naturally come about that. You would carry on having your kids on school. Yeah. Not surprisingly wasn't natural because I didn't. I didn't internalize my own experience as unschooled I had never heard that phrase before it was just homeschooling and we were sort of you know not all that structured. So when we had our own kids, our plan was to home school that my wife had had briefly home schooled for a couple of years and loved it, and then she went to school and she never really liked school it just especially high school she just Kinda Kinda hated actual in. So we decided we want to home school we both had positive experiences with it. and. So we started with all kinds of curricula like really structure like heavy duty curricula and it was brutal The first few years my wife was just like kept paring it down more and more because it was just constantly with my son and try to get him to do it. We knew he was really bright verbally and things, but he didn't he didn't WanNa read wouldn't. He wouldn't learn to read and we knew he could and it was frustrating we're trying to do all this stuff. After a couple of years of that and it just wearing us down. I you know I had read John Taylor Gatto dumbing us down and I had. I sort of just internalized that as a reinforcement of things I already knew about the public education system just how how bad it is and how you know unhealthy for kids in many ways and for learning. But the more I sorta let it sink in a realize that a lot of those same structures. A lot of the default method of schooling is basically just mirroring the school structure, but in the home and I had sort of unwittingly kind of continued with that, and then I came across the Sudbury Valley School, which I had never heard of before in someone's told me about this and they said we. Had moved to Charleston they said we WANNA start a Sudbury school in Charleston. So I went and started looking up the Sudbury valley school and I read everything I could get my hands on about it written by the founders students and I happen to be at a conference where one of the founders Daniel Greenberg spoke it was a panel with a Sudbury school a Montessori School in like a very traditional like. Preparatory now, private school and they each gave their sort of approach and philosophy and I was just blown away between that and reading about it. This sudbury approach of basically just let kids do whatever they want to let them follow their interest and really it's the parents who struggled with that environment not the kids the kids sort of after a kind of a period of realizing that the parents are not. Bluffing that they really can pursue their interests they end up teaching themselves everything everybody at the submarine school taught themselves to read eventually some at age four sausage thirteen, and by by the time they were adults they had no difference. In fact, the girl who didn't learn until she was thirteen one, some sort of literary prize in adulthood, and just this pressure to like have kids learn certain things at certain times. It all sort of faded away. It was like the blinders fell off when I discovered the Sudbury Valley School, and then I dug into John holts ends. Peter Graves book free to learn, and it just kind of reinforced over and over again through examples in research that this in fact was the right approach for us and we basically went hand off full unscrewing from there on out Roy. So you much brought the Sudbury modal to your to your own home. That's exactly it, and we've we've kind of looked to to start something like that here. But it's sort of been. You know. Running practice I don't have the time to go full time to start a Sudbury school. So we've kind of done a hybrid. Our kids are unschooled at home, but we try to get together with other unschooled do meet ups in coops and we have a sort of a once a week submarine style thing that rotates location so that so that they can get interactions they're not just here at home with us, but they still have the ability to kind of how they how they spend their time. Yeah. That's fantastic and the rule quite happy is any of your room. Expressed an interest to go to any sort of school they really haven't. So my daughters who are six and almost eight they are running around playing with kids in the neighborhood all the time and pretty much all the kids in the neighborhood go to school, and so they wait until school gets out and then they play with them, play the weekends and and you know they'll play school sometimes with their friends and stuff and I've asked them by because I never want them to feel like we forced them to. Not Go to school. You know do you want to go to school? Would you be interested in that and they always just sort of say like if they were like, no, I'm terrified of it might be a little worried that I like you know somehow indoctrinated them with some unhealthy fear of school but they're always kind of like, no I think I like being at home and you know being able to hang out was you know kids that go to school sometimes and you know they played sports and there's different. Different activities in things. So thus far they're all very happy with it. I'm sure we'll get sign a little bit about the family sort of makeup but do you think there's any essential ingredients I'm here community coming through again and again any other structures or just qualities within the home that you might think maybe not all families could underscore there any sort of limit limitations you see or necessities for a family to have one school. So I honestly really don't and let me and let me explain that by. Saying it's always a question of compared to what. So if you say compared to the ideal scenario for my kids, can I provide an unschooled environment that meets that will know none of us can. There's always there's always a better version of us or the resources we have where the schedule that may provide a better environment than what's possible but compared to the relevant alternatives I think on schooling is pretty much always preferable. So the relevance alternatives especially, you're talking about putting them in a school system public or private. It's almost sort of like. Well, it can't really get much worse and I don't say that to be sensational. I'm not trying to hate on school I don't think people have bad intentions there by any means, kids go through school and and you know it's not like they they don't survive but I think when you look at it, you start to look at the research and you start to look at the way that kids are sort of quote socialized in schools that the the impacts of bullying or just the. Conditioning them to blindly follow authority punishing entrepreneurship calling it cheating. You know constantly strive to like dictating every part of their lives to where you have to ask permission even go to the bathroom. That's all like unhealthy stuff that's being inculcated in children, and if you do nothing more than remove that. And and provide nothing else in its place. I actually think you're still better off. So it's not great compared to the ideal but I think it's better than the alternative. Now, what are some things that I think are really important you know? Had allowing your kids to have access to as much of the world as you can. So the natural world. The world of ideas if you have books around the house or the world of commerce, if you you know work from home or you have, you know you're out and about engaging in business with your kids, you know even just as a consumer or you know people that have businesses kind of leading the MC. So they're not they're not sort of cordoned off to hear kids you stay in the pretend world until you're a grownup and we'll go off and do mysterious things. You don't see her understand in the GROWNUP world letting. Them kind of be a part of the actual world as much as possible. But the key ingredient I think is not having stress and burdening your kids with your own fear and expectations, and that is very, very hard because even when you read all the stuff and you read about how kids with you know twenty hours of focus, learning can learn math and faster than they could in ten years of unfocused teaching you know forced upon them and all this stuff and you know it's true and you've seen some case studies and you. When you're in the moment, you get panicky feelings frequently of like, okay my daughter's eight. She still not reading she still not really showing she's kind of interested she does, but she's not really should I be freaked out her friends have been reading for two years Sean. I'm embarrassed right and it's really hard to not let that come through and make you sort of be of divided mind and believe in theory in this unsettling thing. But then when you freak out, you just start imposing arbitrary rules on your kids and then they're all confused. So it's really key to just. To Really Trust your kids and to trust the process even when it's not perfect and it doesn't look like the ideal you imagined and. Kind of let it. Let it be that big ED trust children. I, think those the big takeaway from John Holts just see the Roy Entrepreneurship and in a massive shift away from the teacher led learning across the board from from schooling all the way fruits university. I. Just want. You could just us a little bit about the starts of your vision for practice how it was born. Yeah. You know I felt like college was a complete waste for me not in terms of you know there were some classes in books that I found interesting and and you know some. Social Components that were interesting and enjoyable but none of those required me to pay tuition I go sit at you can go sit in on college classes for free no one's GonNa stop. You know I was going to say you're not allowed in here until you're reading. So if you're really interested in the ideas learning the lecturers, even the social component football games, whatever none of that requires that you pay money and lock yourself into four years or five years and get the degree what people are buying is. The piece of paper and I like everyone else some fifteen years ago when I when I went to college thought, you just have to have it to get a job because everybody had told me that my whole life got have a degree to get a job and I felt like this is so autumn working to three days a week to pay my way through college and learning so much on the job and making pretty good money, and then I'm turning around and paying all to the institution were no one. Seems to want to go to class they cheer when classes canceled their half hung over most of the time the professors don't seem to enjoy lecturing that much none of the stuff learning interesting or relevant except for the few things that I'm already reading on my own and I'm buying a piece of paper that basically says, I'm no worse than all the rest of these people that are sitting in class with me I thought. Well, that's not a very strong signal like that piece of paper alone no one's. Going to say, wow, you have a BA from western Michigan University let me cut you a check. You know I'm GonNa have to do something beyond that to prove my worth and then I, started to realize well I've got to do something that's more valuable than the degree anyway if I do that doesn't degree the degree suddenly become irrelevant and there's an analogy here I have an associate's degree but once I got a bachelor's degree no one cares about the associate's degree or a high school diploma likewise once you. Have a year of interesting work experience or projects under your belt. One cares about your degree either and I had this realization and it really hit home and I kind of didn't know what to do with it for several years. I kind of thought about different ways to have alternatives to this. But took me about a decade really of of working in and around higher education with students, and then with entrepreneurs to let it sink in when I started doing fundraising for non often a meeting with all these. Successful business owners and founders, and they were all telling me that their big pain point is they can't find enough good people to hire and they also they don't care about degrees and pretty much everyone. If you went to their jobless things, they would say requirements it would say degree but it wasn't actually true. It was like, yeah. We're sorting through a bunch of information and typically people with a degree are on average better than those without. But that correlation it's not quotation and we don't like if you can. Prove something better. It doesn't really matter. We just want good people. So I started talking to him and realizing, and there's all these students that have degrees in debt and they said it can't find jobs are getting jobs at restaurants that they could gotten degree in the first place and they have no idea how to go create the value for someone and sell themselves to a business and an open up opportunities, and meanwhile the Internet is just blowing up everything making it easier than ever to start a business. To freelance to demonstrate your skills to accompany, and so we created practice to provide really a better way. It's a one year program six month professional boot camp that teaches you how to market yourself how to not only build skills but catalogue and demonstrate your skills through projects that you can tangibly share creating a digital footprint so that when people google you, they see a wow, this person built this marketing campaign and they did this and they've got this skill and here's something they designed and teaching you how to. Do value propositions to companies to sell yourself to say, Hey, I built this for you. I would like to work for you. Let me work for free for a while. Let me show you this and open up opportunities in the second six months. We actually place you in an apprenticeship at a startup into paid apprenticeships. Or you're doing real work in the real world and getting your foot in the door at sort of your first step in at the end of the program ninety, six percent of our graduates get a time job and very few of them have college degrees. So and most of the jobs are getting our our jobs that you know supposedly require degrees but they're figuring out how to build something better than degree hunting jump in and actually demonstrate their skill you know sell themselves. That are relevant in the marketplace instead of hoping that a resume or degree does the work for them. How would you say the real skills practice brings out in graduates from the program That's a great question. So we we focus primarily on sort of non technical talent. So that is you know if someone's really dead set on engineering or computer programming and sort of those hard skills. Weaken. We occasionally work with people that we can help them sort of beef up their soft skills and give them some broader experiences but we tend to focus on people who are kind of like me like jack-of-all-trades sort of generalist usually people, skills, types soft skills. Communication skills maybe interest in sales or marketing or of operations logistics, stuff behind the scenes and the main things that we help them with I think is I realizing that sales is everything and you have to understand sales including selling yourself dulling? Your. Experience really how to how to own your own brand to think of yourself as your company and I. Don't mean that like a cheesy way like I know there's a lot of you know sort of self promoters that have Plaka cheesy brandon doesn't have to be like that. It's really just a way of senior reputation what what is it that people find and see and think about you win encounter you in a professional context or don't they think of you at all which could be a problem. And then you're you're sort of communication skills. How to master email, which is actually really hard for a lot of young people but incredibly important how to get things done consistent basis turning creativity into discipline not something you wait for in hope that it comes but actually taking charge of it really learning to build your own structure to set your own goals and go after them instead of like following somebody's preset path and hoping that it works out. And then know the experience at the business partners can be wide ranging, but it's it's very tangible things like you'll learn how to. You know go through a a sales funnel, do cold emails and talk to potential clients and get them scheduled on demo calls and get them to to purchase the product for the company you're working for or to you know, do you know financial projections or to do to build the lead capture on a website to get more people to opt into you know an email list or something like that whatever whatever the companies are are hiring for in those apprentice ships and we have a pretty a pretty wide range, but it's our graduates have been. Very successful and the biggest thing I think is that they it helps de school their minds and help them realize that they're in the driver's seat and they can create opportunity for themselves and that mindset that's the hardest part of the program. It takes a lot of work to sort of breakdown that sort of telling me what to do and how I get an a mindset. But once you do. It's also. The, biggest reward. So do see naturally the somebody coming from an unschooled home background might excel more in something like practice. Absolutely we found that people. Yeah. There's sort of two categories people who are home schooled and especially the more independent. That is the more like unsettling at is do very well and have less difficulty transitioning into the program and another group of people that does really well those who have parents or relatives who are small business owners and they've kind of been around entrepreneurs before and they kind of understand the need to create value rather than just you know please customers rather than just chasing credentials. So yeah, that's definitely helps. For for people entering the breakfast program Yes so many success stories from the employers and graduates alike Ya. As, much as we can grow we. WanNa grow. We. We feel like there are so many people for whom. College is really a waste of time and the ability to jump into something sooner is there but they need a little help fanning that entrepreneurial spirit into flame and kind of being shown the ropes, getting some coaching getting some a little bit of structure to help get them going on building their own projects in opening up opportunities and connecting them. To our business partners is great network that we have. We can SORTA vouch for them and say, Hey, let this person apprentice improved themselves. So the opportunity is huge and I, think more and more young people are awaking to this are waking up to this facts. So we our plan is to grow as much as we can possibly grow. That's fantastic. Such. positivity. Thank you so much for joining us today. We just generally ask our guest to give any words voice to two parents may be unhappy with their current children's education that public school system or whatever it might be. They're looking for alternative you. There's a good place to start or how they go about the idea of taking a off public schooling. Yeah I would say break it down into a smaller smaller decision. You know don't don't look at it as once and for all the question of my child's education, which sort of implies like their success in life as a whole it down and say what if for the next year? For, the next year, let the kids come out of school and let them do a much more self guided. You know experience. Let's let him on school for a year and let's see what happens and you'll be amazed. They're not going to get really far behind or have any major problems they end up going back to school. It's actually not that hard to get caught up to speed. But I would say, take a year tell that to people were interested in practice and they're not sure maybe they want to go to college take one year and give it a shot and let yourself experience something different and see if it fits in. I'd be shocked if it didn't but but I think breaking it down. And I would also say free to learn by Peter. Gray is a really great book to help you kind of to alleviate some of the worries and fears about unsettling thus. Great. Well, thank you so much Isaac I'm is there any way people can gain touch of you if they'd like to maybe find out more about practice or contact you directly you bet I'm GonNa give you the practice website and I'll give you my personal website as well. So the practice website if you're interested in learning more about this apprenticeship program go check out discover practice, dot com you can. Download our program guide. You can browse around and see what we've got there So discover practice dot com, and if you WANNA see I've got my books, my podcast and blog regularly over at is it morehouse dot com you can learn more about me and what I'm up to their yeah like in definitely vouchers a great place to go beyond teens and inspired. So thanks once again Isaac and maybe we speak again in the next few months practice is progressing and hopefully speak to some of your success stories as well would love to Graham. I hope you've got as much out that talk as I did an excellent introduction to where we are now and where we could be. Please check your inbox will be back in touch very shortly for much more inspiration few to start your journey into home schooling child led learning and liberty. If you have any families looking for alternatives to school, please give them our information homeschooling and liberty dot com and they are more than welcome to join us on this journey. We'll see you real soon. Cheers. Beckoning now. Calling us with as you saw. GotTa. As to say. God You law. Got Up surface every time. She will catch you and you saw. Self within. Love. You. GotTa take the power. Ask yourself this question. What is so amazing and one got a government run schools that he would send your children. To be taught by essential strangers a curriculum over which you have no authority or control. How would you like to be a part of your children's learning? You were part of your children's learning is colors how she ties her shoes what is a butterfly? Why Mommy loves her? Why would you not want to continue to be a part of that? Book and what you've been told for so long that you'd have to say, well, maybe maybe not right and maybe your instincts are right unlearn those things. This. Is a about human rights and endowing children with dignity and agency and autonomy. And then guess what as a side benefit it works.
Misadventures in Handgun Hunting | Gun Talk Hunt
"I welcome in to another gun. Talk hunt hey for our next guest. I actually combed my hair so Lucky you guys all viewing viewing listeners. Out there but This gun talk. Hunt is brought to you by springfield armory and by tim. Knee triggers the world's finest triggers. So i've known our next guest for quite some time grown up in oklahoma. You get to meet some interesting peoples. And obviously he's probably some of the best people that i've ever met Mr aaron said barry. How you doing brian. How're you doing. Are you know doing good. I'm much better now. I get to hear your beautiful voice and And you know we keep in touch Largely across facebook and we'll we'll text each other now again but you know you reached out to me and said man you got you. Got a heck of a buck and he goes. I got something to share with you. And you sent this picture of a buck and you're not holding a regular gun in the picture you're holding something a little bit different in. It's you know it's everybody would call it rifle season in oklahoma. It's you know you go out you hunt with a rifle unless you're aaron and he goes out and hunts with a A handgun and so. That's what we're going to focus today on. We're going to focus on. How k j sucks at handgun hunting. And how much better. Aaron is so. Yeah so give a little bit of your background. Aaron what you're doing now what you did and what would possess you to go out with a handgun in in a big bucks. State like oklahoma and hunt them with a handgun. Well i am. I am a retired. Police officer was eight of oklahoma And i was very active in district competition. A competition shooting the ppc Style shooting back kind of background But have been hundred my whole life. And i've i've always enjoyed eating things very close. I like bow hunting. I like that real close action stuff. And i had a couple of people that a man Through industry Where you know when i when i retired and any before but i actually worked for colt farms. Now and i run their l. e. training program which is all the armor programs for the nation But you know going from law enforcement. Meeting officers had moved into the industry a from there then moving onto being able to work for colt And in getting a lotta handgun act. No handguns in With was always a big hush. Now the gun. I use actually hundred ninety six real tree conned now and the first time. I think i've seen that worth texas kofi hunters magazine in nineteen ninety-six. And i said i would that the gun i want. You know that mini pushing standards a neat setup now. It's it's outfitted with an optic. Is that correct. I thought i saw on there. Yeah actually shipped from the factory with it with an old redfield. Five store to buy seven Real tree cammo Optic an and. It's it's meet with with my older is now that i've been able to successfully chrysalis dreams forward and do something like that. All moved probably to watch aware dot easier for me. But i wanted that. I wanna be like you know those pictures in nineteen ninety. Six of you know people down. Texas comb relatives bookstand back man. That's that's really. I mean to look at this gone and it's now it's a wrap. It's a real ci rap. Is that correct well it. It's actually get bucket almost like an old jericho. Okay here's what it was In you know it's it's kind of weird as in every talk to people in the factory you didn't sell well ninety six and discontinued it in in early ninety eight but it's the gun people one of those moisture's guns and people want now. It's just you know it is what it is. After was gone. People realized saying this is neat. And it's shooter well not that buck you've man that bucky shot with at that ninety six anaconda is is phenomenal. And that's a forty four right. Yes yeah it just chambered in forty four mag. Which is miller's shot. Some big war gun upshaw some really bigger guns than that but for shoot ability. Yeah it's right around there. Were no were self now. People can't shoot those fifties and stuff like that. I'll be honest. I suck at 'em i lay and it's you know i've got a lot of time on the trigger but i just i'm just not very good at. I'm not well in them and blissfully speaking like i'm just not as familiar with them And i do have a funny story. So the five hundred smith and wesson came out. And i brought it down to my hunting camp In western oklahoma and A guy that's related to me Sought he was like. Oh man i wanna take that out tonight. I'd really like to shoot a doe with it. And i'm like okay here here you go take it out and you know it had a it had a site on it. It had a scope on it Kinda much like your to seven. You know one you know the fanciest but it was a you know as a big gun. So he was excited he sitting there in the blind is kinda cold. It's on a you know a a november like afternoon real cold sunday afternoon. He just sitting there and out steps. No other deer stepped out out steps. The biggest eight point he's ever seen in his life and thing steps out at one hundred yards and he is shaking like a leaf and deer. He cracked off the first shot. That deer didn't move. He cracked off the second shot. It ran closer now. I think it was at sixty yards. He cracked off. The other. shot still comes in closer. It gets up to thirty yards and he finally waste his last round on. It never shot the deer. He brings that thing back to camp and he says. Get this thing out of my side. I'm sick of it. I think that's i don't hear a lot of those stories Especially from the dedicated gun hunters. But it's it's a more challenging hunt. It just did you know it that buckshot. I think in a way in out just over two forty scene. It's got it's got a broke left meantime Which actually it's gonna put it a. I think it green scored at two forty five. I'm sorry one forty five probably would have been said mid one city now. I'm shot some bigger deer than that A lot bigger. I don't know when i actually had a one fifty six mug with my boat. But the this dear i mean it it had me i mean i was i was it was it was. It was very very movable hundred. You not be excited. Yeah yeah i mean you know and and even tell people. I saw a deer that day. It was probably at about two hundred yards. That was well definitely buner. I mean he was setting right there and you know flex to rival buner. But i don't know that either. Been if you tried it on. This know it would be hard might well. I know my wife shot of buner with our muslim this year and she's been really rubbing that in 'cause that the for more on But yeah so that. I could have been you know. Hey but at you want after. But what's the fun in that right. Let's let her have it. So you know. I'm gonna i'm gonna. I'm gonna pay a couple of bills here. Real quick but today's gun talk hunt with mr aaron sudbury brought to you by tim. Knee triggers to me triggers has been making affordable quality triggers in the. Us since nineteen forty-six. Now's the time to get a deal on a closeout trigger at ten triggers dot com great discounts on discontinue triggers like the interest replacement the calvin elite remington model. Seven and the mazar sportsman find your next trigger. Upgrade at triggers dot com backslash closeouts. Get them while they're hot folks. Get them while they're hot. So your wife's killing big deer. You're passing big deer for some reasons. I don't know say you say out to two hundred yards. Now i've seen. I've never done Shots out two hundred yards with handguns. But it can be done. Ballistic -ly that's just not my game like you asked me six five creed more stuff like that. I get it. I understand it but handgun hunting ballistics. That's just not my bag so give your listeners. It's a different that up on on what you're doing. Yeah so what would. What would your recommendation be guys sitting out there with a forty four magnum and the biggest ear. Possibly of his life walks out at two hundred yards. I mean you elected not to shoot that. Because i i think you understand your limitations and you understand ballistics a little bit more. But the average guy probably would not allow that dear to walk by without slinging some led down range so with good shooting stick In a good shooting stick sticks set up. I'm actually kidding about me. I'll off the sheeting stig. I'm cheating. i'm hitting hurt with that forty four. Okay what. I was on a tree stand kind of hunting river creek creek bottoms that i i didn't really crush mine baseman off. Now i'd have been out of a blind off of good shooting sticks to hundreds manageable for a shooter. Wants to wants to spend the time but it's not just spending time behind that gone. I mean you know everyone's going to be able to cheat her forty four all the time. i shoot. I have a twenty two revolver that basically set up the same way my going to set up an office digs in october november. I was shooting a bow six hundred rounds a month. Who has the out of waste. Well it's twenty twenty and you should up. But i mean all your actes or you're tracking in our. It's now i have a friend that he's means means hurting good or what. We call a goal salty with a gun right. issued a knee as a a python But it's an air gun. Shoot it off his stick a lot and he actually comes with a with a six inch on really pretty december twenty with me and he's he just very good. I mean well. In oklahoma you'd have a lot of seasons you can go back and forth with and they'll do with it and he he he cheating stuff but he shoots at airgun a lot just moving the stick around. We've been at around in how that's gonna work. Yeah and i think that. I think it's all in preparation and and a prime example. I'm sitting there. And i was i was going on. A hunt was just go hunt and i thought man is going to be easy. I was hunting with Springfield armories new like ten millimeter They're nineteen eleven and there was a very big potential. That i would be the first person to take a while game with his gun. And after the first day i had to does walk within seven yards out of a tree stand and i miss them both flat out with them. I mean an. I thought you know. I thought my tree press was there now. This was with iron sights. I thought i was clean. I was good. You know i felt steady. I felt like had a good rest. I just blew the shots. And on the last day of the hunt at fifty yards i was able to dial in and actually shoot a doe with this thing and man i with a bunch on that deer in and i didn't think i was going to be able to get done but it was all in preparation like i had spent some time out the range with it but it was the shooting sticks aspect of it and getting in finding that steady rest. And you're talking about going out with either nara gun or a twenty two or something like that. find a setup. that's very similar in in close enough to similar. I mean in different things so why I was able to get a doe in texas last year with a with a co Ten millimeter with actually With a rail gun okay I might set up on actually took an old Would have been a light fixed. The rail i think actually had i have led. It's push down and then adds about two ounce lit. Okay nino gary that gun all the time. Boy i i have have. Yeah i i have that when i get the wind i put it out. I could put it on and what it does. Is it hands a little more weight. Their front end. It makes it easier to move in that in those shooting sticks And actually i just have a bunch of Off tape okay. Mark all nap so slide-rule easy it moves. It has enough grip to it. You know i. I shot that doe last year. Right it seventy five yards. You know we laser if seventy five yards and it was okay at that gun shoots good but that getting that setup what need to be in different things do i mean so if i'm shooting at the range i'm off the chair shooting sticks I always have a concrete block with with. And i'll put one on the block. Gotcha will put the kind. Take me out of the element where you can come focusing. Because like she now. Trish aims day for alcohol. You spend a lot of time shooting on on a square range but never shot down with pistol. Now i've never never done in that little and it and you're in you're always focusing for what's coming in behind in a beer dough coming behind the big book coming in behind right but it it bohannon yet another it is you know. And that's always a yeah and that's kind of what honestly kinda pissed me off. 'cause i was like i know my trigger presses are solid like i'm on this animal but it's just it's those angles at you're not used to hitting That i think just it just got mentally kinda messed with my mind a little bit enough to where you know i was actually kinda mad but as you know distance increased. I felt more. Like i was on that square range rather than at such a drastic angle angles. Get you in. It doesn't take much to get element. I like sitting down on tristan. That's one thing but you know it's just you know we'll side not the shame i'm hunting out or it's not the spot that things that we've been in okay but a tree stand aluminum crease. Damn that it's been in my family for about thirty. Years is cool and salsa. I you know it's a it's a treat saying my grandfather harvested. The deer will on a girl mcalister. You know that coming. It's it's it's an eight foot lighter. People go five eight ladder. Will where i'm hunting in oklahoma where tornados come through. Yeah that's a tall trees trees but in behind though you know needed but that's true different element so has the tree stand. Been in the same tree every year. No i'll know will it's been. It's been basically mclean tree at this location for about the last six years right but it moved. And you know when i was living in Connecticut for a while. You went with me to connecticut right. That's that's a special on this. One that you hold onto and you know i i'm looking at my stand going. My kids are gonna trash these. 'as soon as i kick the bucket i like. What was he thinking thinking. Like why would why would he not have a pad for this chair. I was looking through. Some i was looking through. Some of my stands This past week. I was cleaning up the Like cabin area. Now's like i. I used to be that guy that would every year. I'd have like i'd go by like three or four tree stands and have you know. Put them out now. I'm the guy who just has one have won. I only need one you know one serviceable one. At least i have a lot of friends and they. They hunt from Box blinds and they do very very well. And i'm convinced i could probably kill more deer out of a box blind but sometimes they're like look. How some comfortable then. I'm just won't be cold. Just want to be there. Nothing i we know that little. Like kinda wanna be your yep. I've different. I've the same way i've i've been adapting to my terrain like my hunting styles and it's actually paid off. I've shot more big deer in the past eight to ten years than i have in my entire life because i've just adapted a different way to hunt a certain area No it will listening to your Your lab on campus. You're talking about your buddy having a six pack. Yes oh mr thomas salad. Don't tell me your close. Because i have i have. I have a camera arm. I have a tripod teamer. You know couple others little cameras to go or a no yeah. I'm i don't know what i'm sixty but on it i know. And there's there's a lot that goes into videoing hunt. I understand that but man on some like some haunts though. Like where you're running. And gunning. And i think i think that's one thing handgun. Hunting does allow you to do a little bit better. I think you can maneuver a little bit better and you have the ability to move quickly But man if your whole hauling around sixty seventy pounds worth of gear. There ain't nothing faster. You know i mean and all you know like i i was kind of making sure things are good here be gone traveling for a couple of weeks and we'll come back. Can i run from youth hunters with with a crossbow tags in oklahoma that hopefully we can get that done But it's so. I tell kids i'm like hey i want video shoot someone but if i can get the camera on it you just do what you want to. We're good okay. fill out for. Oh wow why would never do know. He calls him now. I now so i'm question youth in handgun hunting. Like what would you recommend like if if you know youth you know. Let's say under sixteen years of age as like may not to give that try. What would you recommend. I really would think a bigger revolve around. I would say something with a three fifty seven to like a you. Know i'm very partial to coal the coal for smith and wesson or a really good ruger In a in a in a barrel. That's going to be found a six inch. So this lift mogul blast now earing kyrie protection. The ma S i mean i. I'll tell you what your mouth that was wearing. Shameless plug no but It was very good. I mean i i use. I use the called where i love him. They have found now. It would have been hard for me to use them saturday because my wife would have been watching the game and she has her ipad where she can win them. Watch the game seattle. Think about that. Yeah yeah he has an ipad her. If it's if it's so you gain bay. She's keyed in. I'm at that time. Cherry show her big deer happy. But no it good airing miles and then the mobile app is hang. Get you there and then right after the biggest thing so but i do know we're gonna go transition to soon as soon as over we'll stick with hogs for a little bit And we'll we'll try to do some hogs. Actually i have a gun fed up for Nightmares in prague hunt I won't do well with that. And then walk straight back into just a socratic. Twenty two and swirl reformer dorinda squirrel hunt gotta love that. I'm well that's i mean. That's a lot of angles And i feel like preparation wise. That would that would benefit you. Greatly for an off season hunnings. Oh yeah and it's there you can go out and you can you. Can you sit in a ground line. You can be out of funding. Could do stuff and you can have fun with it. And even if it's which is even if it's close you can get a good gun pistol and a lot of repetition. That's true and they're making a lot of good replica. Guns to that are are you know air. Does that are very similar to what you would be hunting with. They're they're so far advanced from the first they're and fifth live. Pick up you know. I'm way yoder older than you but you know that thing there did you have the did you have the little That crossman That look i mean. I kind of look like a nineteen eleven. I guess the black little crossman gun you wanted like you could literally put it to your hand not recommending. You do that. Yeah yeah yeah definitely not work but do that because the non someone that went to yar puppy somewhere but oh yeah do that. Yeah i've been those. It sucks there. It's a different thing. But no even that i mean. I have friends that they they air got hunt with just pistols. Just i mean they're league they rabbit hunt with them and these squirrel hunt with them. And that's that's their thing The neat it there something different. Yeah there's now a lot of marksmanship that goes in with that because a lot of those air guns they're not they. Don't have that chris trigger. You know that a anaconda would or a python would or or like that. I mean there's a lot of good trigger control going on there. Yeah i mean yet and it it it takes a lot now. I will say one guns. I'm more interested in playing with. I wanna get a good. I looked at a few of them but good. Twenty two magnum san mateo. Because i i'd like to start Callahan was going to magnum it. Hulk headedness now throwing editor hunting. You know well you got that all summer long where we're at right you know. And and but that little that point to mangum. It's going to be what you need to do. You can actually have fun with it. And i shot a few of them and i think i think they'll be the next but i like all kinds like i'm i'm leaving for morrow It's trying to get you know anaconda snake by again but I'm i'm going to be using a our style. Three hundred blackout. Chris and i are pistol also on my food. We're going yeah. Now let the totally different setup than ryan you think of credential. This'll but But a lot of your support system is not gonna be there. I mean you've got to think about that. You don't have this long barrel reaching out. I mean you're still having to deal with confined spaces and all that good stuff so It's interesting. I mean the one we built the one i built out for this. I mean it. it's a nice brand it. Do i think it's going to do everything we need to do. I'm shooting cheang really groups with right now in three hundred blackout and it's going to be suppressed so we can play with a little more maybe a little more In the blind with it little more blind work with it well. One of the good things is that. I've seen pictures of it and i'm not gonna say anything about it but it is. It's pretty sweet like the way you've got it built and just looking at it is is a great setup and you know whenever it comes to Comes out in. Light will will reveal what he's using. But i think it'll be. I think you're great hunt and you know you talk about you earlier. I mean i. I would like to. I would lacked if t people hand. Oh absolutely no for pushing for one. You'll know bill booth. Mum bill booth were very big cushion on getting big gun daughter and meet my first hand on what was what bill and you work with him. Oh my god i'm prior. he's he he is handgun. Know not all that kinda guy would variable. He is The other one Ainsworth and she has a. She has a book handgun hunting. Okay and it's very thurgood book in it and she's not sell out for a calming chill. This is the she. Don't take any different models and different models you can even four and and how you can make warden new can afford or what feels good you and make it work l. It's really good on that. That's a that's a recently new book but very good writer on that Was looks like was launched in paperback two thousand nineteen and it's Crap you can get it on your kindle for eighteen ninety nine or paperback for twenty two bucks. So yeah if you're looking into it do it. There's a lot not a lot of different types of handguns in that book. I mean you know from a our style wants to know remington bolt dams that were with the pistol brave everything. I mean different aspects. It's a really really good book. And that is Handgun hunting a comprehensive guide to choosing and using the right firearm for big and small game. And that's by cat ainsworth so excellent and it's forwards by bryce towels louis so he cats working with some good people over there while aaron. I sure do appreciate your time. And and i know you're you're out doing some some of the lord's workout there and getting ready for the hunting season and I'm kind of jealous of you. I'm not gonna lie. Also that's a good very good one do he. He was all right he. He made one mistake. And i just made a decision more that whenever i was traveling back and forth when i had to live out east coast for a while and i've tried making four. It's worth buying a bowl and me in a storage shell you know. We'll storage play. Yeah by your hunting ads. The you'd add them. I know i know i did. I would have had two or three that week with a bow. Had i not had i just left one there so i'm actually we. Actually you know. I had a storage place at my hunting lane. Now this just off in a small town. I bought a deep cross though. The i had hunting gear. Inboxes i had To yes yeah. And if i could if i get a day come through or day was on. Just go just in the region and across if my wife was coming through the same time. Same thing she. She had her little box she could go and go and bury in. An oklahoma is a very good Program on feeding the hungry. And so if you're there you any tags like we have time tags It's why wouldn't you get. Yep off l. Absolutely every day or being on the road either way so but area thank you so much and Folks that is gun. Talk hunt for one more week on safe.
ICYMI - P.K. Subban's Journey from Homemade Ice Rinks to Becoming an NHL All-Star
"You're listening to comedy central. Please welcome PK. Sue. Welcome to the show, man. New york. This is good. Oh, good to have you like you don't like sports stars always have like such a crazy schedule. It's so hard to get you on the show. Thank you for being here. You're a superstar and congratulations selected for the all star game. Again this weekend in Tampa excited. I'm extremely excited to be captain two years in a row. I'm just very happy to be able to represent the city in Nashville again. And I'm just I'm pumped pumped to be an all star. Again, you have such a wild story. I mean, I know I didn't know much about your story before you know, you're coming on the show. I knew about you as a player, but your story is one that really excites me you got into hockey in Canada in Montreal. But someone likes hockey. Oh, canada. Oh, both. But what was really amazing to me is that your dad gets you into the game and you come from Jamaican family and for me like Jamaica and ice hockey. They don't they don't mix. No, no. Like, why would you dad go like hockey? You know, what it's a good question because you know, my dad moved from Jamaica when he was twelve years old. And that's where he grew up to these twelve moved to Sudbury Ontario where he learned about the Sudbury wolves. And he grew up in a French neighborhood. That's why me go onto the Montreal Canadians big family because my dagger up a French neighborhood. And that's where he learned about hockey for the first time, and that was the first time we saw snow, you know, twelve years old so growing up in Sudbury watching the Montreal Canadians. Everybody was friends. So he saw the kids playing in the neighborhood. And that's when he started to watch hockey and used to watch the subtitles put right, and you you went on to play for the Montreal Canadians. It's not a very creative name, but very literal. And you didn't just go on to play for them. And they love you out there so much. I mean you play for the team you love the team was that probably your biggest life ambition. Oh, man. Just you know is a dream as a kid. You know, you wanted to play in hockey, and it wasn't really until later on in my life where I knew it could be really a job. I just wanted to be like the guys on TV. Right. Oh, and whether it was playing in the backyard, and every I gotta give my I have the best parents in the world. You know, my dad putting in backyard rinks, you know, every year, and I give them credit for that. Because my mom used to give him, you know, crap all the time because the hydro bills would be so high water they'd be using to make the backyard ranks, but he stuck to the plan. And both of my parents together did made so many sacrifices just to give me the opportunity to play hockey. And never once. Did they ever mentioned the NHL, you know, for any three of us? It just so happened that they gave us the opportunity to play and we got better. And then it became an opportunity to. To make it a living and we just chase their dreams. And now, you know myself, and Malcolm or planning the NHL, and we're working on getting Jordan there. Hopefully, soon that's amazing yourself and your brothers all playing the same sport or at a high level. I think what touches me about your story is not just that. You're successful. Is that in many ways, you mimic what your dad did for you? And it was selfless. You donate ten million dollars to a children's hospital. Did you like at zero by mistake? I've done that. You can tell. You know, I get that question a lot because it's one thing to donate and give back. It's another reason of to think in another way to look at it as why ten million dollars, you know. And I think it comes down to everybody has their own personal life experiences. You know, I want to Haiti with World Vision year after when I was I would have been nineteen years old twenty years old, and I'm not from Haiti I'm not Haitian, but I had an opportunity to go with World Vision at the time, and I went for three days, and it was a life changing experience for me. But that wasn't it. I came back, and I got to know a little boy named Alex Shapiro through my old, minor hockey coach and still close friend and family friend Martin Ross, and he coached him and got to know, Alex, very very closely and his parents and his family and was actually in touch with them until litter literally as last moment moments before he passed away, and you know, for me that made me want to to give back. In a different way. And really have a significant impact. And not just give back. You know, where everyone can say. Wow, that's great. But give back where I could actually make a difference. And when I was presented the opportunity to do something like this with the ten million dollars donation to the hospital. Montreal I I didn't even think twice about it. They came down the four O one to my house and noble, Ontario. And they presented it to me. And I signed the papers right there. And it was the perfect situation for me into this point we've helped over probably ten thousand families and raised millions of dollars. So I'm very very happy about that. S A. You don't only have love for Montreal. But you you went through a trying time where you were unexpectedly traded from Montreal through to Nashville for the Nashville predators and Montreal was your love. Montreal slow is your heart and you moved onto Nashville, and you always promise the people of Montreal that you would take the team to the Stanley Cup. And then after you were traded you then took the Nashville predators. You part of the team that went to the Stanley Cup was that one of the most bitter sweet moments you experienced as a human being. The bitter part about it is that we we didn't win. You know, it was it was a tremendous experience. And I I have to speak about my teammates because you know, I wouldn't have an opportunity to be in this position and to be an all star without them. And they've worked I've never played with the greater group of guys, and we have right now in that locker room, and I've never wanted to win so badly in my career because I think that everybody in that locker room deserves it, but they've they've given me every opportunity to be successful. But we've given each other that opportunity, and I think that's why we ended up in the Cup final last year. But what sucked about it was? Yeah, we didn't win and I didn't get an opportunity. That's all I could think about right is when we got to that conference, and we won the Western Conference files on my man, I'm going to have a chance to bring the Cup back to that hospital. Right. Right. Right. And those kids, and you know, because I remember their faces and how upset they were when I was traded. And I'm like, man, I got an opportunity to bring that cutback s going to be awesome. And then we lost. And you know, it sucked. But. We have an opportunity to do it this year. So you yeah, you have. Got many opportunities. And it's not just in the field of sports. I think what's really I think inspiring about your story is how you find opportunities to help others because it's not just the kids in Montreal. Tell us a little bit about the program that you started in Nashville where you get policemen to hang out and spend time with young previously disadvantage or disadvantages us. You know what? And it's it's so important. One of my best friends is a cop and was actually just recently retired crystal solving was a cop and Boston, and you know, Chris has comes from a family of twelve brothers and sisters used to play professional hockey, but has become one of my closest friends over the years, and we know how much there's been talk about in sports, especially with police officers and players have chosen to deal with it differently. I think that I was faced with a lot of questions coming out of training camp. And you know, for me, I always look at everything. And how can I make this a positive situation? Right. And I looked at it. And I remember us having a meeting a team before the season started talking about you know, how we were going to handle it. And I you know, I remember being up front. I said listen guys I wanted to attack this in a way that is positive for the team and for the community. And listen, also, my my best friend had an influence on me as well. And you know, I know what he's done for so many people and his friends have done. And I know that in the community of Nashville, I wasn't going to have the opportunity maybe to donate ten million dollars to them again. Right. Maybe do something that was just impactful in in a different way. And starting this program has been it's been a mazing had the same impact that you know, my foundation is hide in Montreal and a little bit of a different way and the kids. I mean, I I wish she could be there to see the look on the kids faces when it's their first time going to a hockey game. Their first time pretty much doing anything that really they can think of in a positive way and to have top police officers there too. Do it with them. It's it's been great. So so you have these kids who meet up with a police officer. They come to the game. You get them tickets. You buy them dinner. They hang out together. I I would like to understand why you thought that that would be something you'd want to do everyone tackles in a different way. Why that why the kids with the police officers? Well, first of all, I think that I have like I said friends that work in law enforcement. And I think that we need to celebrate the good that they do as well. And I think that the children for these kids that are underprivileged that don't get an opportunity to go to a game. You know, why not I know that I have the opportunity to purchase four tickets to a home game forty-one times who sits in those seats sets up to me, and I chose to have to underprivileged children that don't have the opportunity and to police officers that have the opportunity now to mingle with underprivileged kids who maybe I've only ever seen cops, right? A bad rice. But now they're at a press game which they've never been to. They teach some great food right and the patrol lounge. That's a shout out to patrol, and they don't sponsor me. But that's. They get they get some great dinner, and they get to meet the players after the game. And they get to meet me. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. But they get to meet me, and it's celebratory, and I think the biggest thing that I've taken from this program. So far was an Email that I got from one of the officers who took it upon himself to stay in touch with the child after the game said I'm going to stay in touch with this kid. We're going to go to many more games because I got season tickets. We have the Email, and it was one of the best things is the best feeling that I've ever had since the program started because that's what it's all about. So it's all about building bridges, and I think that that's what this program has done. You're a you're an amazing, man. Thank you so much. Could mixed and show also weekenders and Tampa and the all star game in January twenty eighth on NBC because of about. What about? The daily show criminal years. 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Haunted Hospitals - Best of Coast to Coast AM 6/5/20
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AM on Iheartradio and welcome back to coast to Coast George Noory with you Mark Leslie with US haunted hospitals I love it. Tell us about Rhonda perish a little bit bark, and then we'll get back into the story. So Rhonda is a writer and editor who lives in Alberta Ontario. She is amazing she does. She's got anthologies. She's got fiction that she writes and she also just recently released Erie Edmonton. Edmonton Alberta and that's a that. She Co authored with a psychic, basically a medium. Floors haunted locations, and and so she was, she was great to work with. Macabre Montreal tell us about this one. So another author book Shayna Krishnasami is a colleague of mine is a writer and She lives in Montreal Quebec and she again. I'm opening to when people just collaborations. I love it. And Chena said well. Hey, we could. We could work on this book together. I live in Israel I can take some pictures, and and it was a fascinating book. So Montreal is the second largest Canada second largest city in Canada and to Toronto. TORONTO'S A big. Bronco Yeah. So you'VE GOT TORONTO? Vancouver and Montreal as the three. Cities Are you know in compared to larger cities in the US, relatively small, but for us to be. and. in Montreal fascinating, because when I read a book of Ghost stories about city either city. I live in the city I love. I learned so much about the history of the city I learned so much about that and one of the most fascinating things related to hospitals in Montreal with the experiments that happened in in the unsure. You must have had guests on your show talking about project. Mk I'll draw. Yes sure have yeah, and so there's a lot of details at the Allan Memorial Institute McGill. University and all of that terrifying things that happened. In the hospitals there, so that was one of the things I I didn't really know a lot about until I got another book and so again in the in a lot of cases is just a disturbing things that people do to one another but again when you think about the trauma that happens, you wonder what did that. Trump is behind. That's going to be on that location and it's going to haunt people. Well absolutely, that's that's amazing when I say Quebec. Say Quebec is that pretty accurate. Quebec Quebec the there's no. There's no one way or were you born in Canada Yeah I was born in calves born in Ontario. Yeah, super. What of our hosts Richard Sarah, who kills from the Toronto Area Alcoa and I'm only about an hour hour and a half outside of Toronto area. I did a couple live shows mark at the Queen. Elizabeth Theatre in Toronto over the last eight years. Ever do candidate again once they open up the borders. We'll make sure we have. You is one of our live stage. Show guests that would be awesome to see you in person, and that would be an honest person. That we'd be fun. You go to a lot of places where you meet people. Do you get a lot of stories from them that way? Oh Yeah. It's It happens a lot and then people open up the line it it seems to be. People are willing to talk about share stories, and so one of the one of the stories that got that I ended up using haunted hospitals I was doing a talk at Hamilton public, library and you know at the end of the talk I. I signed books and I talk to. To, people and stuff like that, and there's one gentleman, just kind of hung back at the very very end and and we ended up going out for coffee to talk about the story because he was talking about an old hospital that had been a psychiatric hospital century manner in Hamilton which is one of the largest psychiatric facilities in the province back in its day. It was close down now. It's basically an abandoned building, but it was connected to the larger hospital structure through these underground. Some disturbing stories one of the ones that just stuck with me was. He was. Walking through the building and he heard voices at the end of this hallway, and it's an abandoned building, so you got to the end of it inside its teenagers ready to go I'M GONNA I'm GonNa catch them and and here's these voices, so he opens the door, and there's two nurses standing there in an old fashioned nurse, said Garb, and they're and they're. They look like they're in the middle of the conversation. They both turn. And then the one turns back to the other. Ones had see I, told you he can hear us. Slam the door. And then he was trying to figure out what happened. Opens the door again, and there's nothing there and then about ten minutes later. Tunnel felt this force like there's a huge win. Just tunnel force just Kinda. If something was pushing his back, trying to get him out and he fled. This was back in the day before cellphones, he basically last of the campus of the hospital went to the nearest payphone, phoned his boss and said I. Quit I'm done. I'm not calling. Was it for him and. He's like I'm not I? I take it paid enough to this. You travel a lot because of your job, don't you? As a writer, yeah, as a writer and somebody works in the industry, I'm constantly on the road, which really gives me a chance to You know if I can take a detour checkoutigt locations, either that I'm writing about in the future or that a plan to write about or even ones I've written about, but I haven't seen yet. To just about every city has something that's haunted that the community knows about right. Yeah, Oh, for sure and one of the things I recommend people I love to do. If I'm in a new city, I look for the local ghost, the historic postmarks that they have it's a fascinating way to learn more about a locale and get an and have a really fun evening. Obviously going for a walk checking some things out hearing some really really great details. Here in Saint Louis where I am right now mark, we have a what is called the limp L. Emp Mansion in the family that owned brewery of the lump brewery years ago. This is during the anheuser Busch early days, and everything else is a beer capital here. Lots of people from Germany came here, and they made beer and you know. anheuser-busch exploded into a giant company. Let the brewery was pretty good size. You know along time ago, but anyways members of the family, two or three of them committed suicide in this mansion. And every Halloween they opened it up for tours. It's haunted and you know they go through the whole Regalia of things and things like that, but. You know I believe that's another story for you. I know and I'm actually I've been compiling stories for spirits untapped, which is haunted bars and breweries, so thank you so much. I'm making notes as you're telling me that. I have to go and add Mansion and length brewery and see what I can find what stories L. EMP? Perfect, thank you so much. That's fantastic. What other spots have you been to? That are somewhat haunted. I think there was the in the West and West Virginia there was the Trans allegheny. Lunatic asylum. That's what they called it. Yeah, that's the name of it and listen I my partners and I we were in. Florida, we are in Orlando and we were driving all the way back up on -Tario and and and we got back to West. Virginia was I think it was like fourteen hour drive or seventeen hours some crazy. You got time and we've got to the town. What but one in the morning. And because we wanted to do, the ghost walks. We wanted to go. 'cause they had some haunted ghost. Watson stuff. and we wanted to be able to get up in the morning. Go on, go on that and then Kinda. Get back. Get back home. And I have to say the drive through the mountains in the fog when we're both really really tired was just hearing creepy. Itself 'cause as I mentioned I'm afraid of her Craig so. That was Kinda creepy, but getting to see that now. This is interesting. Because this was a chapter Rhonda had written so I'd only proof-read I. You know I didn't get into the details and research that details, so it was fascinating for me to go visit. Get some pictures in person and then go on a tour and understand it in the stat Rhonda understood it. Is She researching for the chapter and I always find that especially when I co author a book I tend maybe not to dig into the details as much because you kind of relying your coffee. Do all of that research but. That was a fascinating tour. We didn't see anything. Unfortunately, but got a great picture of of A wheelchair that our guide had shared, and it was great. It was only listen an eye on this one. Because it was it was a quiet day. We we basically got the monopolize all time and ask him a million questions and got some pictures of that. And then there's this weird room where these bats had had come in and the any kind of freaked us out a little bit, because having walked up to the door, and he just kind of pounded on the door, and then something pounded back immediately. It was just really freaky, noisy screeching. And then he said No. No, no, that's just bad explained to them I. Don't my God, that was terrible. I know they're all God's creatures, but bats are ugly, little animals. I gotTA. Tell you I mean it's unbelievable. You spend a lot of time in hotels ever get into a dive hotel. That was haunted a actually that same trip. It was that night. When listen, I got into western West Virginia one in the morning we exhausted. We've pulled into the first hotel. I've run INS. She's driving I've run in. They don't have a single room. She said okay another mile down the road. There's another one, so we went into this I think it was Kinda, lodge and and I in, and it was almost like one of those creepy horror stories, because I get to the desk and I said. Did you have any Russian well? We have one room left, but it's it's too It's two double beds. We don't have a king or queen or anything I, said you know we're. We're exhausted. which is going to go to bed, so we check into the room? and. Takes the bed. Nearest the. Bathroom and I take the the one year the door and I and I, you know I'm scared. Kinda guy so I'm always listening for things like that. And on a trip we had stayed at a dive hotel that was a lot lesser quality in an scary neighborhood, and it was one of the ones where we actually slept on top of the. We didn't sheets. We brought him blankets from the car because we didn't want to sleep. And we even furniture in front of the door because he thought you know. What if someone breaks and And so I wake up in the night. Liz Liz. pull the hoodie overhead. She rolls over. She's asleep in thirty seconds. It takes me a long time to fall asleep so I finally fall asleep and I had lost my context in which is another important thing so? Hope you could sleep with. Yeah, they're the. They're the ones I. Normally take him out every night, but the the Kennedy can wear lease. You won't lose your. Copy Your IRA. Nothing like that so I, wake up, and I see this woman at the end of the bad here shuffling feet and I see this woman walking towards the bathroom. And SORTA lay there and I go. Okay, let's go to the washroom and wait for her to turn on the bathroom light, and not wait for and nothing happens and then and then I can hear her breathing in the bed beside me. And I went I went. Gun. There's a woman in a room and I sat up and I freaked out, and it was like okay mark. You were dreaming and maybe I thought okay. I was awake, she got up went to the washroom. Then I fell asleep and I woke up maybe ten minutes later and thought that it only two seconds past so explained it away but I did check. I looked at the lateral. Still on the door, passports were still on the table laptops everything. Everything was fine then later on I. Wake up here, sort of A. clunk on the on the table at the end of my bed and I was like Oh, my God, someone's in a room. Someone's in a room and again I sat up and I freaked out now. She's sleeping everything's fine. So the next morning I mentioned here. Yeah, it's kind of funny. Did you get up and go to the washroom it? She's like Oh my God, no I didn't I didn't get once you know. I went to bed, and that was it and then so I I explained to her. What I thought I saw lasted off and then she got this. Really Pay A. A look on her face. She turned to me and she said well. I wasn't gonNA say anything, but I was laying in bed and I felt a presence over me. I felt a hand touch my shoulder and I thought it was you, but it didn't feel like you. It didn't see didn't sense like me and she thought there was a woman in the room. Who was trying to steal stuff and so she's still herself. She's brave I'm like me. She's still herself up and is ready to swing around and just puncher, and there was no one there. and so it was a it was. That was really freaky experience for the two of us We couldn't explain it. Check with a hotel The front desk, anyone also explain a experienced, and I haven't been able to find anything in my research about that place, but We believe that there was a woman in that room that that's creepy, experienced Mark Leslie with us. His book is called haunted hospitals. He Co wrote it with Rhonda Perish. I always mentioned the CO writer. Even though they may not be on the show mark because a lot of times I envision them at home, listening to you or listening to their co writer and the host never mentioned who they are and I'm. I I would never want that to happen to me. That's that's disappointing. Just. Oh, for sure you mentioned my soul Rhonda. If you're out there listening, we mentioned you. And she's also tissue super now. There's something very weird about you that I have to bring up. Do. You actually travel around in your car. With a full skeleton. Next to you. Yeah Barnaby bones now. He's not an actual human skeleton. He's plastic, but he's a lifestyle skeleton. He looks real to people right, yeah! It's. It's kind of part of my author brands. So when I. When I'm at a book signing I'm in advance. I'm sitting at a mall store and I've got my books in front of me Barnaby signed me because it does Wanna two things for people who are interested in Cobb interested in ghost stories that eerie supernatural whatever they see a skeleton, and it's like a beacon. So. They can come and talk to me. They know it's okay if they don't like that kind of stuff, they know to stay away from the crazy man. Right like stay away from him. He's kind of creepy The other thing that's great about that is it's a great icebreaker. Because pretty much, everyone will come up and make a joke about. Hey, your buddy looks like you need to eat or been waiting here long or whatever and it's. It's a great catalyst for conversation but because I take them to so many events. Just leave him in the car actually have. He sits up in the car, so people can see him if they driver walk by. Yeah Yeah. He actually sits in my passenger seat or sits in the backseat right now. Actually have to Barnaby. Is I have one in the passenger seat and one in the in the backseat ever been stopped by law enforcement because of them. Yeah yeah, one night I was I was going to do the book launch for Spooky, Sudbury and I was driving after work I was heading up. and there's about one in the morning Do you have right programs where you're from where they check to drinking and driving? Checkpoints and stuff like that. Yeah, so I'm on this deserted highway, heading up north to Sudbury, Ontario and There's a ride program so this stopping cars, and so I've got burnt. Be With a seatbelt on right beside me, strapped in, and I'm driving up in You know the officer I roll down the window and he says you know where your head. Head and I said Oh. I'm heading sub -Tario and he said if you had anything to drink and I said no officer I haven't had any drink. He said help at your. How about your buddy? And I went and I and I kinda looked is you're not sure if you should joke? I, said Oh. Oh, I'm Alcohol goes right through them. And then he got a serious look on his face, and he goes no seriously. What's staff? At which point I said Oh. Well I'm on my way to launch a book, Spooky. Sudbury and I reached into the maxine where I had some copies I said. Would you like a copy? I could sign one for you so I. Imagine he has a story now to tell his colleague. Yeah, that's gotTA. Be a strange one that he tells his buddies all about. Shockley listen to more coast to coast. AM every weeknight at one am eastern and go to coast to coast. Am Dot Com for more? Rene. Bach was only nineteen years old when she moved from her small town in Virginia to eastern Uganda. In two. Thousand nine founded serving his children, a feeding program for severely malnourished kids. The NGO quickly grew into an inpatient medical facility. The heroic image obscured a deadly truth. Rene! Bach had no medical training. When it comes to missionary work and humanitarian aid in the developing world. 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Jacqueline Erica Pashley: Making Playlists and Creating Memories
"Hello and welcome to the music profit. But I'm kind of excited because we're GONNA change of pace we're actually going to go into electronic music and a DJ for today. Yeah with Jackie Ashley. Otherwise known as just Jacqueline Erica passionately now used to be my name is Baseline Jack but I recently decided to go with more of a feminine name it just in my own name because all but before social media before there is like pictures everywhere actually a lot of people thought I was guy so not. There's anything wrong with that. It's just that I had a very masculine sounding name and I guess some when I was younger a lot of my mixes were more aggressive more like base house and that sort of stuff anyways and the longest time people thought I was a guy and then they saw pictures like. Oh you're a girl and then Just recently I just decided to change everything has I don't know I just wanted a fresh start with a more sexy feminine. Feel but definitely I mean like that's a that's a good starting-point delayed when it comes to being a Dj do you think that really defining Feminine Your Feminine. The as a brand makes a difference with audience. I think so. Well I think the proof is in in the pudding just from recently. What I I've done is I actually hit my sexuality for a while like once I became a mother and my branding and I didn't really do too much on not like a super marketing whiz or anything but I try to do everything myself and it definitely lately as a kind of searched gears and chuck and that approach again I will admit that my my My traffic has gone probably would like ten times what it was before. It's crazy like I don't know what you call it the old adage. I don't know the right words but they you know they say excels and I don't know what to tell you it is true it's just it gets attention but the the only anything I in this last experience of me going that route. It's not always the best attention all at admit that so. It's like a double edged sword. It's like oh you got the attention but now what are you gonNA. What are you going to do with it and like dealing with people and the messages you get? It's not always a great thing but there most people are very supportive of most people are like Lou grow power because it definitely is. I mean when you look at the fest. We haven't cyber end in general when you look at festivals As a mix. It's often that it's mostly male. Dj's it's definitely a male dominated industry but there are the you know there are tons of women doing it. And I mean now because of the Internet and because everything's accessible because we see we can see more and search more like I realized how many women are actually doing which which is really really cool. I only know personally like a handful that I met in real life. That are doing it and making money and have a business. Sr thing but back. Yeah most of the people I know even in Sudbury are male. Dj's but maybe hey. If you're out there listening I wanNA know about you young female. DJ's come be part of my crew. It's it's a right. It's it's definitely a major thing because where we are now. There's so much opportunity there too right there is I I. I am a bit of a believer that you create your own opportunity. I I I will stand tall and say that I've done that for myself when sometimes Even get that from young male. Dj's this we'll water doers the events whereas disrespect this result. Can you hook me up kind of thing and you're gonNA create that yourself or you're gonNA put yourself out there. You gotta either create the vent and the opportunity for yourself or find line. People that are doing it that will be part of your team and I mean Sudbury is a kind of a little big town near the northern northern Kinda place. But it's still quite small so I mean I don't know I'm just spoiled being in Toronto before right in meat having that that kind of marketplace to learn and and fail and pick myself back up and whenever endo the venues the fact exactly like this. It's crazy right. I mean I was this past. She can I was in one little tiny place like maybe fifty to one hundred people you know and there's so many of them. There are so many holes in the wall so many bigger clubs or somebody. There's so much going on that. It's Yeah I was definitely spoiled. So definitely changed the landscape coming to to Sudbury. But I I do you like it here too and there's a lot of great dj to are there people that you look up to that have sort of helped along your journey so far. Well yeah definitely definitely like just even watching people from afar. Even if I don't know them personally it's like for me. I've had those times where I wanted to just not do it at all because I felt like I felt like giving up or maybe for me. You're getting older your mom now. You can't do that. No we. Just have those itself self-doubt moments but there's definitely been people some of the State Bowl House. DJ's from Toronto. That definitely when I first started took took me under their wing and let me follow them around and watch what they are doing. Watch heather mix saying even the owners of the record stores would let me just practice practice in the store and it just it just because they could see my genuine interest and the Navy thought it was a nice kid and Gimme a break kind of thing and let me let me learn from from watching them. But that's what I would say for. DEEJAYS WANNA get into it. I mean there are our sold only so many places you could go inside braces. Maybe not the not that. They're not great. Dj's is just like there's only so many people doing only so many places to place he can't really see a wide spectrum of maybe what you could do but the Internet is probably a great place just observing other deejays copying what they do are getting inspiration from what they had helped me mix but I mean youtube crazy now he probably you can pretty much figure out anything if you really want to anymore. which is a good thing right but at the same mm timing like before they see dimension how the digital era is changing a bit? Yes definitely wanted to touch on that. Because it's true. I talked to a few people lately. I don't know I guess it's just the Internet so good and bad and I think we all know that there's so much good that comes out of it and it connects people and it educates people and brings people together and then on the flip side and also in certain ways disconnects. People Roland keeps people from doing things in real life. Because everyone you know you see their highlight reel and that's not all it is right. I'm doing things now now. Ten Years After. I thought it would happen for me like or what do you mean is it sends a community to like. It's so different to me because it's so accessible one when I first started like we was just changing to digital. It's just that sense of community and you could only go certain places to the kind of music and that's what you look forward to look forward to seeing your friends there and then. He looked forward to connecting with people. And then you look forward to but maybe I'm just an old the eighty now. Comparative makes this an old bitty. Now it could be but it definitely is a different experience because you can also and then when you look in get into the live stream of concerts or I mean even the most recent example I can think of is Alexis on fire played at the strongbow house. Okay Okay and so strong populous who is a CBC radio host and films bands in his own house and on on instagram live. He basically went or he went live during when they've did the filming of Lexus on fire performing in the House and then in people saw then then but it was also online like a month about a month later on Youtube. So you don't have to see the concert or watch the normal video you could have watched it live the exact same experience as you'd get normally yet it's crazy like I don't think anything more places places like the in the in person in person thing but I mean what is cool is that it is accessible to people that maybe can't go to those things. That's where I think we'll move. That's amazing right to it'd be inclusive in that way but I don't think any anything places like the the connection action you feel when you see the band or the deejay live or whatever I guess what I meant to touch on is just like I guess. When I first started teaching there was that I had more of a sense of community community? Because you had to go. You had to go. You couldn't you could get things on my like. I said it was just flipping over to going digital now. Everything's just so accessible on everybody's a DJ. Everyone knows how to do better than you. And I think they do and you know it's just like okay month ever Eh. But it's definitely it's it's easier probably for knowledge right because you can find like information more accessible online. Yes for sure like I still think watching you're gonNA have to still do the work yourself like in terms of learning at Saint Learn Guitar with the output. Put the hours in. And then you get really good at Easiest like anything but yeah. I don't know I guess I just wanted to touch on like the sense of community is feel like it's a bit different. It's a different VIBE. Because there is there's probably layers to I mean you can make an online interaction which is a now quite. It's more like a one level type of thing we know each other exist. But you don't bring a pass that yeah I find that Even just in life trying to make more meaningful connections with people online so it's not just like hey smart like hey how are you. What's going on in your life? Maybe that's just my own hangup is that maybe in the past I didn't really take as much interest in others as like as well a little one track mind and I think once I'd much rather be connected with really connected with one hundred people in my community then how like ten thousand followers so I have no clue anything anything about them in may be headed. No it you'll be great each but in on those those real connections people in real life or something. I'm trying trying to invest more of my my time in and then there's that old saying as well in in music land like one thousand true fans so if I could have that that many people that were invested in in me and supporting me in the things that I love you know but hopefully I give that back right. So do you find the numbers. Do numbers matter as much to you than for crowd. Size are falling. It's again it's I've I've had the best of both worlds iphone foam and gone if Clayton. Nobody I've played to hundreds of people. Life played to like keep it on the weekend I went down for pride in Toronto is awesome awesome. It's like fifty people in there but we had the best time you know can it was people were rate with me and like making music requests than like Connecting with me adding adding. We're adding each other on social media and that to me is like a great example of that small interaction. That was probably is going to mean a lot because now I have been even if I got five fans out of that. They're like people that connect with me talk to me. Saw My body language or this that so again but I mean I can't. I can't also denied though that that feeling of when you have the energy of huge crowd responding to you and that's fantastic too but I mean what do you mean like numbers on social media. Amy Numbers is in general right. Because there's different there's numbers for downloads. Plays then there's also crowd so just in general do you take into account. When you're it I think it it does matter to people like promoters beulah putting on events in you because you know at the end of the day all comes down to a all comes down to money right dollars others incense like not? Everybody is completely motivated by that. And and I know that I'm not completely but at the end of the day no you it is a business and you have opted. Most things do matter prime example. And I'll be completely honest with you when I moved to Sudbury. It's like I think people had an idea of of what to expect and it just wasn't there it's like it's not as if I am from here so I tried. I tried to do a couple of different things work for a couple of different bars in just I didn't fly new city. You're not that popular start all over again and that's great so you just kind of it is important. But it's not here's the thing he it again. It's the high. It's the highlight reel. And how many connections do you have in real life because we both do things like buy followers. They're excellent at marketing under excellent and all these things that they put up this big huge front and then when it comes down to it you know. It's not what it's like in real life they pull in like twelve people raider raider at or there's so many factors is really hard because I don't think any I know people will argue. Are we on this. But I don't think anybody knows how the music business actually works is always growing and changing and there's certain like milestones and things and ways. You can release albums jobs in his all these rules and things you can do at the end of the day. It's like I think it's whoever has the best attitude and whoever's willing to to put the work in and I think the the the what they say cream rises to the top or whatever like the cream of crop up and its consistency. Probably absolutely Louis. Yeah and not really not giving up because we all I mean I I could probably speak for a bunch of musicians at our noble. Chew but like sometimes you do feel like giving up feel like Oh my God like doing this and I am not even that good like no. Nobody likes me but then you get over it and then you just pick yourself back up and you're probably the same win. Athlete feels the same way anybody in any industry feels like. Sometimes you're like why am I'm doing this. Is this really what I've chosen to do. No but then but then you'll have some sort of inspiration or you'll have some sort of something pixie right back up again. You're like Oh this. Is that feeling especially like even on the weekend as like all of this is why I do this. This is why I remember. Why Love de Jiang sign? I'm making people happy connected. People enjoying these together doing all those exciting fun things. So what has been like the one of the the biggest trials or errors that you've come across over the years. That looking back is a good thing though. Wow that's tough because again when I'm constantly just experimenting but like can mentioned a think for so long. I've been trying to almost do that thing. Where you're you're trying to be everything to everyone and and I think that I was a little bit off when I when I it's hard because at one point I'm not going to narrow myself to one genre and then part of me is like well marketing is? It might be okay to put yourself on Johner. 'cause people know what they're buying that's because at the end of the people are buying can you and they're invested in you a lot of a lot of it I think is based on my personality in that. I'm reliable at least for like what I do. Corporate wedding stuff. It's like they well. She's easy to work quit then she's peppy. And so that's higher here right where she's reliable. You know one of the things in one of the things my and one of my music teachers from Toronto said he said like when it comes down to it you'll notice in in his experience in music business its availability. The and reliability are two huge things. Because if you don't have goes I mean you won't get rebuffed people will WanNa work with you and and and it's really your attitude and as well so he. Yeah so we were trying to trial and error though I know he went off on a tangent but but I think I think that that answers it pretty well though I think because availability and being reliable are sort of it applies to most musicians. Yeah I I think and then really comes to like I mean talent is a big thing and that's really I think what you do with it though in like if you're if again if you're willing to put yourself out there and I'd really it is. It's just a big trial and error and I think anyone that tells you different is God dim wire. It is though it's like there are certain rules to follow it. It truthfully me being a DJ. Like I haven't gone. I've learned about it but I haven't actually gone through the process of releasing an album of like how that structure works. And you know the time that takes record everything and then the time that it takes two you know okay. Well this is our marketing plan and this hour GonNa go through with it. I've learned things but I've never actually put it into practice so it is kind of hard for me to like make judgments on anyone other than a DJ. Who doesn't necessarily like I don't I wouldn't call myself? I self producer. I do understand how it works. I have learned these things. I don't practice it I'm more of a I'm mic show. DJ So he. You know whatever I get booked for is Kinda cater to the client and do that but can you kind of expand on that because that he did really good point about the fact that you aren't like you your normal electronic. Dj that releasing album REPEA- so can you expand on being a mixed will from me. I still did you kind of have those desires but I kind of let those things go a little bit. I was going back to school in Toronto and then I got pregnant and I was like well. This is is going to put a pin and miss for awhile. I wasn't sure actually was ever GONNA DJ again. Because I thought well as my life gonNA completely change and it definitely did but I never lost that desire in that love for for for mixing or making music but for me. Because I'm not really a I wouldn't call myself suffer produce for but I I like working with other people and I have. I feel I am a good ear for music but mainly what it is is it's more subtracts election. It's abode how knowing how to read a crowd and that really just comes with experience in time. It and really like I said like when you when you put mixes which I've been totally slacking on what we city all-time anyways it's more about. It is your personality. It's your track wreck selection. It's you know how. How do you creatively put that together? Are you planning to your audience sort of thing and it's hard especially when you're a small town you've got a kind of care to your market and what is less people coming to see you as a Dj and it's more you're catering to what the crowd is there unless super popular which. I'm not not that nobody knows. But nobody's nobody's like you know waving their flag down or anything at this point but yeah and being a that's what I would call him. Mix Show Dj. And then you have people like trap man who are like the ultimate of Nick Show. Dj and that's that's a whole nother ball the game of its own like turntable rate in the more more manipulating more that kind of style of DJ. -Ing my style a DJ -ing is is a little more like hey saint basic but it really in the grand scheme of things. It's not it's not as technical. It's more mixing in key making sure that everything flows close together and having sort of a vibe and that just comes from my background of me being a house. Dj When I first started because house music? It's more about wrote the VIBE that you're setting more those extended mixes layering vocals over instrumentals. And just creating that vibe. So now we're focused on the because it's like that's always fascinated me as someone who dabbles in music myself but also just have a lot of music the friends. I'm always curious what you focus on when you go to make the sound. So are you focusing on the rhythm or are you focusing on those very subtle changes for me. I like It's just freezing and do what I do to like really it. It all comes down to just the track comes down to usually a good baseline and honestly it's for me. It's the way the track makes me feel so if I feel something for it I know most likely it should make others feel similar. I think that it will because if I'm enjoying it. That much of it gives me joy elevates my energy. That's more what I concentrate on than anything else as a DJ times trial and error true. Don't you think it's going to be a floor filler. And then you clearly flow. You're like what like but it's just again. It's really just knowing the event you're playing for because then on the flip side I do a lot of like corporate and wedding. Dj and there are times where I never mixed the song. It's all about track selection. They want to hear the radio. Edit what they know on the radio they don't care about mixing they don't want they don't care how good of a Dj they just want their songs and you just have to know how to like okay. This is probably the selling the one here next. They'll just come tell you and I and that's it that's a that's a whole different ballgame to this. They just want to sing along sing along. There's nothing wrong with that. It's great and I have a blast. Played Country Music for them. I don't give me yeah whatever you want it makes you happy. That's what my job is at that time but then I get to do other more creative electronic style events. Where do you get to put on my creative hat and I do get to really express a these are the tracks that I'm feeling a little? It is a little more selfish at that point. You know you got to get to be a little more salvage you really let your personality shines through. And that's what's great about rating. That's how people get to know their favorite deejays that sort of thing. So how'd how'd you to find out what's like what sort of tracks are your go-to this is my personality. Probably Base in future house which is and in a in a more like classic sounding house music so like there's so many different sub genres of every style of music great but for House. Music is all these different all sub genres. And what really like turns crank so to speak could be Base House or feature house which is really heavy baselines a lot of energy but also some has it's just a really great groove and I love tracks access transition from like trap to house and back and forth. I really really dig those kind of things that I like. Some of those heavier soundings school ics tight songs and stuff so I like. You're like what he goes back and forth between like happy. Go lucky to like in your face. I'm GONNA like murder. The club kind of feel. Yeah in back and forth that set. That's what gets me me going. That's it gets me going. Those keeps his excited. But that's yeah if I had if I had if when I get my way that's usually what I get to do so I'm really hoping appear fastest coming again. I really hope me downtown in those so fun last year. You're you're listening and you're in the Dome when we were outside the Dome so it was a few view of the US. Local deejays is pretty cool so you get to play one night. Two Nights and one of them was it was just really fun and I think people were really like pleasantly surprised. They came down they saw saw on the street like having a blast. I helped that we do. They do the same thing again or something similar we. Yeah we wicked more stuff and on cyber anymore silly that and there was a because some people listening might also know better to buy there was there is also the powerhouse series that had right. Yeah Yeah Dan the Darien Derek and so I think that is not happening at the moment but that was really cool. That was really that is exactly the kind of thing I mean. I know. Hey I'm not trying to belittle at or anything like had some really successful nights it had some really crappy nights in whatever but they tried the created opportunity for themselves. They tried to bring something to the table. They you know they got people involved and did Logan kinds of things that in my opinion I like my. That's all you need to do. Especially in Sudbury. There's not a huge scene going on Jacqueline. So you need to create create that create that buzzing create that opportunity. I think there is definitely a crowds crowd for here but yeah it just it just takes a few a few people that really want to make it happen. And he's come together to especially in in a small town will in a in a smaller Mahler Mitch Arts scene. The definitely is the only way to really grow rain and it's it can happen. It can definitely happen. It's just not always an easy go. And then sometimes you get to do knocked out of the Park Dole noses. At times he celebrates cow. That's what worked okay. And I'll do that next time. You know all K- what did we learn from the last winter and then you just keep going and then hate it. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. That's that's why I say I think it always comes on trial and error with there are there are certain things yes there are certain. Rules are certain things that could probably be proven again in a repeat he tests. You know what I mean. But there's a I think it just comes down to people's attitudes at energy willing- willingness to work together and for some people the ultimately put up the money. You make it all you know. Have a couple of key people that do have the experience of it does come down to a lot of marketing. A lot of like advertising dollars to to get the word out and hitting the pavement mega put up posters. Go do whatever you gotTa do to make it happen. deb because that's that's what it comes down to in the end right but I think you but you also touched on You touched on the payment side of it breath so when it comes to being mixed. Dj is that different than the friends. You have that play in bands or how do you find that getting paid. It varies as mixed. Dj versus someone who uses turntables or abandoned has instruments or performs in that. What is interesting question? But it's just a tough question because well it comes down to what do you what what is your time worth. And it's hard to put a value on that and as musicians I think we all kind of devalue ourselves and sometimes see random people online like adult. Don't work for free and like none of us do right. So you're hurt no one. Yeah Yeah it's just it's what is your time worth to you. How much money money in time and effort you put into it you know? What's your rate of return? How much did it cost you home? What how much of your time? And how much equipment costs your practice. Time your preparation time. And that's really like when people booked me for weddings like I don't know why it seems so much easier because I guess they maybe they see all the the time and effort that goes into really you being the AV person for the Monet and preparing all their music play together meeting with the clients. Doing all all those kinds of things. It doesn't differ that much from being a bar. Dj of our star but it is different ballgame. Really but what I mean is it comes down to how much you think. You're worse than what you're willing to put out there. And how much willing people are willing to pay so at the end of the day promoter you have to think about it from because I've played by five worn. Both hats says a he at the end of the day. You WanNA book someone in pay for someone where you're going to get a rate of return. Yeah and to make it worth your time like I don't for me. I'm happy if I make a few hundred dollars and you know if I'm putting on a show because I know the market is not huge huge risk. It's a risk so like you know what if I ended up breaking. Even I'm happy anything above and beyond that is a total score because I did this out of love and do you know might wanting to do it but on the bigger ski but if you want to do this all the time you had to think about it from both ends like well. What's my time worth? How much effort afraid of putting into this is this? The only thing I'm doing. Do I have another job. Another source of income sources of revenue and. Yeah for me I usually WanNa make a few hundred dollars. The end of the day wrote whatever way it happens because you know it is one of my prime sources of revenue. I'm also even myself trying to find additional sources of revenue. Like I would like I think I'm GONNA do. My next step is to do all my store now in conjunction with my new branding with like X.. Alexa lifestyle very moss be been online store for that. So those are ways that I've my wheels have been turning y'all but I ah that's yeah it's a tough question because it's it comes down to what is what are people willing to pay. How much do you and it's hard? It's hard the value on that that is Neva even when it's festivals right. I mean anyone can play festival but depends on what. How far do you WANNA travel for for them? What do you want to? What do you want to be part of? Do you WanNa be band or artist on a lineup. That doesn't fit your style but yet pays well Ray. It's all it's all of those different questions. Really it comes down to yet. 'cause that'd be there's lots of people that play lots of these maybe hoity-toity things but you know there are a lot of them are doing it because they just love it and they just want to experience that and they want to build their resume or they want to you. Don't do that sort of thing. And there's nothing like I've played so what is younger. I played free shows all the time I played enough for my gas money to get to Toronto or a play. You know just just to get out there. Hit the pavement memoir thing So you know you don't have to do that. That's just my experience. As would I thought I had to do. What about our stones partner looking back are you? Are you pro free experience like I. Am I playing for free. Yeah well yeah I mean you have to start somewhere and if you're really starting from the get go I I would suggest getting as much experience as you can if you can afford it. I mean if it's cutting into your your meat potatoes and you're like you know rethink thank you take a step back fine. Save up some money. You know I mean and it's not easy just like a band equipment so expensive the travel so expensive. Everything's so extends us like it's a tough go and I and you know when you do figure it out though and when you do get get to that point where you have no trouble asking for thousand dollars two thousand dollars. Three thousand depending on what. The event is how many people are coming. Well how much is they gonNA make off booze. I hate to tell you that but a lot of this fueled by alcohol sale. Anyone who tells you different is I don't know but especially when you're playing a bar. Well Yeah I mean wake you that they don't care like that's what I'm saying is like you have to get a you do have to grow a thick skin because it didn't they people they care but they don't care especially if it's a bar owner promoter they want to make sure they have return on their investment and rightfully so that's their business and you have to respect that but it's hard at the beginning or even knee and a new town to be like somehow prove to them that you're worth at her get your in or whatever the case may be like you just you just have to. It's a big game in. It's a big show. Zee half to have a thick skin and say well. I'm GonNa going to do this even if I even. If it's tougher even to do a free free shows a figure it out or have to build my following or whatever because but if you I really do believe if you want it bad enough in happen one way or another and if your attitudes right it'll happen one way or another. Like first first and foremost learn how to mix know how to make some key a have a great has some decent equipment but again and that's where they accessibility thing. Dilute back throwback. No but it's really cool. How accessible it is in a way to because there are is it opens that door to even people who WanNa do in their bedroom and learn and have just a joy of music on their friends over have house parties? Nothing wrong with that and bringing sweet Braid News Lincoln Garage Band whatever ever but if you WANNA take it to the next level and you WanNa be a professional then you have to treat treat it like a business rate MHM Saxena Bookkeeping. WanNa do it together. You know anyways because you are product no matter what I mean as a musician addition you're technically that Yep and I will. I will admit like you in my experience. There's lots of times where I've been booked based on a You know my son's election and my talent I mix and the nine. There's been lots of times I've been people have bought into me as a product as sexy girl. Dj Jada poster as those certain things depends what you're okay with. I'm okay with I don't care because the end result is still fun and it still positive energy usually -sually and at the end. It's usually a lot of fun and something. I do. Connect with people and they just get the energy really. It's to me. That's what attracted attracted me to house. Music in the beginning. was that sense community. The Fun dancing just enjoy music and celebrating with other people because is always you know why not. Yeah and that's that's probably the biggest thing for all right in music generals. How's that if you enjoy it then you're okay with it and that's how you choose your gigs? Or that's how you choose. What you play on the posters urine is that if you think the giggle be fun or that your fans enjoy it then you show up? Yep Yeah there's different different levels just like any business or any other business that had company with layers like worker bees. They just do it because they want to go paycheck to paycheck in another need. Those people do then. They're the people that me want to take the next level and I want to make more money. I WanNa make this a legit business and this is going to be a huge revenue source for me and I'm GonNa do this and it's like that's great and do that but you do it. There is a little bit that separates the the herd so to speak How do I guess as a way to in transition a little bit How'd you find that your family influence has changed things like seeing a mom yellow being a mom and also? So you're you're with another musician as well right. So how do you find that that influence changes things between your mixes in what you do for fun. UH versus escaping it. Not sure completely understand cussin' but I'll answer the Essex again. I don't know well when I when I was With Claude for example. And that's what you're asking. But like he definitely influenced. It's me in a very positive way. He loves DRUM BASS and trap and all the the darker side of electronic music like in the best way and He definitely had an influence on had created together and we. That was something that I and I totally enjoyed and I will still hopefully enjoy that in nature so always have that connection there will always be. That's what brought us together and I'm sure it will. It will keep us. Friends did find that it pushed pushed you to grow in this like. That's how we met originally is that we were going to create music together. That's what I 'cause. I loved his this music production and I thought only gone like he'll let's hang out and then it just ended up though he film you crazy deejays. Aj's no better. Yeah I mean so I think that will always have that connection and will always have that great stuff so and definitely Kayla like our son is only if he's if he doesn't become a digital. No I that would be crazy if he doesn't know Even if you just want to do for fun. But he's already liked got it in. He's got rid of Minnie's anytime anytime in the car is turn it up. Turn it up go. Caleb Talkies Loud Armitt. Oh my gosh. Well let's definitely your son so I can't argue do that. No but it's it's great but like I said how into family and becoming a mom at least for me. I did have that period of time where you know the focus rightfully so is only on Caleb and it really. I didn't have my focus on music that much at all until really I could have a little more attention back to myself and then finding yourself all over again. I think a lot of parents go through that. It's like oh my gosh. There's this little human being your your life completely change. Is You know you're not. You can't be selfish anymore. No it's unlikely that eventually you can be a little selfish again. If you find yourself again he could find your groove again and so I'm just literally getting back to that point. Where like okay okay? I got this. I can do this so now that you have more more of the time. I am in the ability to actually as little people become a little more self sufficient. Me Still needs a lot of attention but I have a pretty good teammate. To help me do that. So so. That's a bonus right. I'm very lucky. Some people don't have that luxury eaten having someone that's a good co parent so we definitely ah finding the time to be ourselves again because we share the load. So that's nice yeah did. I'm curious whether when you had that period where you're focusing on Caleb and you pause music did you find that that it almost reset your view on how you enjoy mixing and how you want to play shows. You do realize that you're like okay. We'll kit may be always just do this anymore because I love it even though a a lot of times it ends up being like that. You know he's still do but I think just once. I don't know for some reason when I hit thirty hours hours to the point where I was like okay. I can start charging money and I didn't feel I didn't feel bad asking anymore. I don't know that was just. That's just my experience. So you sound like well you John Quite a few years under my. It's not my first Rodeo and I do put time and effort and I am reliable and I m professional most of the time ah most of the time and so it was it gets so may as maybe a good thing then because Sir yes if I reset like I did reset it. We'll even just recently. Like I said I find that like I feel like I am Kinda getting my groove back and you know not feeling and because for a while there I did a hit bisexuality I hid my my my persona. I don't know if it's a persona Kinda just is me. And maybe a little exaggerated version of me but I hid that for a while. Because I thought Oh you know. I don't know I guess just societal pressure like Oh you can't be sexy. NBA Mom you can't be a DJ and be a mom. Are you crazy like your. Who Do you think you are but I thought well that's silly? That's why do I think that. Why do I think people are GonNa treat me that way and then once they started going back to beat myself all of there's the girl? Dj Remember All. You know what you're getting. You're getting your energy bag. That's really nice to see a lot of people say you see so happy. I'm like you know what I really am like. I feel like I'm being less worrying worrying less about what people think timing Mozart NBA. Just being more myself. And I feel like once when I am just myself that actually bore people like are they just connect to see more and they want to. They want to buy in to you. Because you're maybe a little more authentic who's being yourself. You're not trying to even though I do feel like I'm putting on an act sometimes like but it depends. I mean everyone has the act. They put on. Depends on the crowd to if you're doing a show for example you sort of have to fit what you're GonNa be the front man right now. Alexa kind of a one man band when it is like when I am booked maybe as in the quote unquote headliner spot like you do you. GotTa they booked you because there are expecting that And I think I hit that for a while and I kinda almost shied away after being out of the ETA practice for a little while and then slowly but surely I feel like my confidence is coming coming back up and actually being part of the Sudbury five squad. They kinda like boosted. My confidence back started performing again and practicing being part of a team saying those things got my confidence back. I'm a grew bag. Okay okay we can do this and then yeah. It's nice being around around other young women that were excited to to perform in that sort of thing. Artsy fartsy some of them are singers. The retrain dancers and all that and just love. You can build off their confidence too. I totally did I totally did I was I was like I was the older one of us. All I was the oldest actually and it was nice though is nice to be around these young beautiful talented women. You're like Oh shit and we support each other and that was really really cool. Cool to me as I felt that sense of community all over again so I was like you know what Okay Okay now building friends to newtown new. Everything's Yeah and news is there. Was this sort of fresh dirt because at the same time basically that you branded our guard of Baseline Jack as your brand name. Switch to sort of like Jacqueline Eric Capacity Right right yeah. I just thought I'll try again. Trial and error baby like I just went off. Let's try this and it's going to be myself and see what happens and so far it's been working. So what is that I mean. Yeah you can't ask for anything else in on that note I thank. That's that's GonNa be good to wrap it up before we go. Make sure to tell everyone where they can find you because it's pretty important. Okay so Emily Adler