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"stu inman" Discussed on The Dan Patrick Show

The Dan Patrick Show

08:03 min | 1 year ago

"stu inman" Discussed on The Dan Patrick Show

"Is who trump is now that great way to put it he gave this. He's he's committed to the role. I mean you mentioned press conference and escalators and trump tower and Be us playbook again No i mean you go back and part of the jeff pearlman wrote a great book about trump. Usfl and there were some great stories from eighty. Four is sort of when he became this national figure. And you read those stories. And it's amazing to compare that to trump trump plays fast and loose with the truth but he sure has a certain magnetism There was a story that willie geist dad wrote an article on. It said something like you're riding around. Donald trump is like riding around manhattan with a motorcycle with no windshield. You get a lot of bugs in your teeth but it sure is fun and basically what he is and the same sort of the same playbook he used with the usfl the same way. There was a lot of vagueness. There was a lot of media. Charley steiner who is sort of the voice of the general tells us that the players love trump. because after the game he'd go to the locker room and he'd say everyone it's trump same as the building and he would hold the press conferences and the players would say fine up. I'm i'm leaving. i'm going to dinner you. You can hear in do the press offers but it's a lot of the same mo in nineteen eighty-four that it would be thirty two years later. How close do you think the usfl or some of these teams came to being absorbed by the nfl that that's a great question because the one thing that became clear to me researching this book is. We cannot underestimate the force. You know this better than anyone. The force that is cable television and this was right around the time that these networks were realizing you could charge the cable system to subscriber fee and totally change the economics and by the way these networks all need programming and if trump i think singlehandedly trump did to the. Nfl like you know what isaiah. Thomas did for the cba in basketball. I mean trump just recklessly if they had hung around and got a cable tv deal whether it would have been a competing league or whether it would have had to have been absorbed. Aba nba style the usfl had. They hung out a couple of years. I think they really could have made it. What stood out at the eighty-four olympics. michael jordan. No i think i think what stood out. Was you had this this boycott and everyone thought this with the death of the olympics right. Yeah you had. Terrorism and munich and montreal was financial disaster. Boycott and eighty and the soviets aren't to compete in eighty four. It didn't matter and for a variety of reasons. Peter ueberroth the comes in for a lot of credit. This book there was no terrorism there with no drama. We all watch this. It was a slow summer. We all got big mac and fries. When americans want medals. It was the highest program in american tv history at the time. peter uber. Yeah we all love. Written in carl lewis jordan night. Who i see your left but Peter ueberroth was the the mvp of those olympics. This stuff with jordan's interesting going back to where he wanted to stay for a senior north carolina. It almost felt like dean said. Hey you're going to the nba. And the fact that bob knight it didn't take long for him to realize that this the greatest basketball player talent wise had ever seen trying to convince the blazers to take michael jordan. And they said you know. Hey we got clyde drexler. Jim berson. We have no room for michael jordan. Those were great stories. They're great nuggets. Nate's quote you to stu inman the gm of the blazers who is a friend of his. And you're right guys. We don't need jordan already. Got a swing man. We got this structure. We have You know ironically enough. We have jim paxson and nice. Quote was trust me hake jordan. Play him at center if you have to. You don't wanna miss on this kid For whatever its flaws were give credit for that one toughest interview get for. The book was to the interview. That never happened. Which was jordan east and you. I was saying this the other day you go back. And you look at nineteen eighty-four. He is so cool and he's funny and he's a prankster. And you know. I mean i certainly understand how fame can can wear you down but to me. It's a bit of a pity that he's been a little reclusive because he was great at the twenty year old great of the twenty one year old. And i think the fame monster sort of beat him up but no people were great for this book. And i think it's because star was a real resource and he was basically saying everyone remembers it right. Everyone knows magic burden. People have memories. but it's far enough away so i don't have to worry about. You know saying something should so people were great when i got him but Joe jordan full disclosure jordan Decline my out. Well and and i went through this firsthand. I was very lucky to do those interviews after he was winning championships but he was going to be the number one athlete. These sports century number one athlete and we couldn't get him for an interview. And we were we were chasing michael jordan down to he was going to be the number one athlete. And then we like mike. You're going to be the number one athlete. Everybody else has done an interview here and we eventually got him. I had to go to new york last minute to his hotel. Set it up. He came in from golfing and he sat down. And i don't know how long he went. And i don't even know how good it was but we would have looked really bad with the number one athlete and he wouldn't sit down but i just think he gets to that point. Where what does he need to answer any more. But if you had one question you knew you were gonna get an honest answer for michael jordan. What would you event I wondered weather in one thousand nine hundred four. He had a sense of where this was going. He was supremely confident he knew about. He understood the business right away. I mean david faulk did not have to convince him that he needed his own signature shoe. I think michael jordan for as much as we talk about him. I don't think he's gotten enough credit for really cheap. The balance of power in terms of athlete in management and. I wonder it in nineteen eighty-four if he was already onto this. I think you know you. You and i know this. Some athletes are cut out for this and some athletes. They they are what they do. Maybe they're just not that interesting. Maybe they've been burned by the media. I mean michael jordan go back and read about his quotes in the way. He conducted himself his decision. We've never experienced a fraction of fame. I certainly haven't but this guy has peyton manning sense of humor and barclays instincts. Age twenty at age twenty one. He was fantastic as as a character. So it's it's a it's a little bit of a kitty to me that he's So reclusive now because he had it in him to be this fake figure who is a lot more providence. in the quality of his his call is decision. I hope he enjoys the golf. But i do think he had it in him to be peyton manning or barkley if he wanted to. But i look back differently on jordan. His mom made him go to portland and meet with nike You had the two different agents who were going to represent him. They kind of said you get sam perkins and you get michael jordan. Sunnyvale caros the one who deserves the credit for michael jordan. Be in that because sunny said give him all the money get. Let's let's do a shoe based on a player that was unheard of. Because you had magic. And larry we're doing converse and as you point out the book. Converse didn't really invest in in these individuals. They just basically gave you a check. Sunnybrook carol had the wisdom to say. We're going to create a shoe from michael jordan. That's the that's the genius.

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"stu inman" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

07:47 min | 1 year ago

"stu inman" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

"Here's Ron. If you're a basketball fan particularly an NBA basketball fan I'm going to give me a book. I think you ought to check out. It's a fun book. It's called tip off how the nineteen eighty-four NBA draft changed basketball forever, and the author of the Book Is Sports columnist for the New York Daily News fill up. Bondi and when we look at Nineteen eighty-four, the significance of that draft in Nineteen eighty-four what made it so unique Philip. Well, just the sheer name, the celebrity power these were transcendent stars you had. You had Jordan you had Barclay. You had a lodge on you had John Stockton off coming out at the same time and yes sure it made it made an enormous difference. You know a guy like Barkley loan comes out there and he changes the way players are. and. Of course, Michael Jordan stands. Really, when I look back at the nineteen eighty-four draft, I think it was significant because it saved the NBA and what I mean by that in the early eighties that league was in trouble I know that their playoff games were played late at night on television they almost had to by the time they also had a drug problem in the NBA, a cocaine problem and I know from my agent who was Bob Wolff, who represented Larry Bird he said that the league was mortgaged to the tune of ninety million dollars in deferred payments. So this in a sense resurrected the NBA, save the NBA. Am I correct in making that You had a situation where seventeen of the twenty three teams we're losing money at the time, and we tend to Romanticise sort of nostalgically that period early in the early eighties in terms of what was going on on the court because you had bird against magic and it was spectacular stuff. But the truth was that the NBA, could not sell its product. As you said, they either had to put their games on late. At night or they were actually still showing hate replays of their playoff games on network television I mean, they could not sell US stuff. There was another dynamic to this nineteen eighty-four draft as well because there was a credibility problem with the NBA and that the previous season where they thought and even during the eighty four season where everybody thought that teams were throwing games in order to get a bad better draft position. Yeah, very much big big problem especially in regards to the Houston Rockets and the and the Chicago Bulls. That, the Dallas Mavericks were charging that the rockets were throwing games basically, not throwing not the players on the court mind you they were obviously tried but the lineups that were being played were outrageous. You had a an ancient thirty, eight old Elvin Hayes playing every minute of an overtime game You just had a lot of guys out there who couldn't get the job done and it was pretty clear. These teams were losing you know. Fourteen out of fifteen down the stretch that there was no real desire by management to win game. There was some intrigue as well with the big man where you mentioned Akeem ally Japan. But there was also Patrick Ewing Georgetown about whether he would come out or not. How did that factor into the eighty four draught? Oh, big time. You know if he had come out, it's still unclear who would have been drafted first ewing or logic on. and it was it did come down to the his a very to an eleventh-hour decision by doing not to come out some people insisted that maybe he was affected a little bit by the by the biological on decision but don't think that was the case I. Think he legitimately wanted to complete his career at Georgetown. Sure. Made a big difference for the Portland Trailblazers because suddenly instead of just merely choosing between two two. Can't miss big guys in a logical on and you suddenly they had to choose between either Sam Mbui. Or who was the big man but not a not a sure thing or Michael Jordan. They picked the wrong guy and talk about the coin flip which you know obviously came into play as far as Houston taking on. Yeah this pre lottery and. It was because of the shenanigans that were going on, they instituted a lottery the following year. But before the lottery came, we had all these coin flips that really determine the future of franchises you know the Chicago Bulls People Forget the Chicago Bulls lost a coin flip for Magic Johnson I mean that would've changed everything long long before Jordan came around but. In this case, there was a coin flip between the between the the the the blazers in the rockets and the blazers lost the rockets won for the second straight year the coin flip the previous year they had picked Ralph Sampson and there was you know there was some discussion among the rockets whether they should trade Sampson four that number four. Four, the number three pick in which case they could have also had Jordan. Can you imagine Michael Jordan and lodge you on together for a dozen years? Or so no brainer of course used to taking joon. But what was the thought process in Portland ultimately taking Sam Booey. Yeah, you had a situation where you know this was a franchise that had built championships around dominant passing center, a playmaking center and bill. Walton. and. They felt. That's exactly the model that they knew. They understood it and they wanted to repeat it. They had a already a solid bitchy. At, shooting guard they had both taxing, and they had this young kid Clyde Drexler. So they just didn't really see a spot for Jordan. So they picked by need rather than buy talent, and of course, it came back to bite them. One of the things that surprised me about Portland making that decision to go with SAM? mbui is that he was injury prone and if you think back to Bill Walton after the early success that he. Had with the Portland Trailblazers and winning the NBA Championship I was talking to Jack Ramsay about this after that he had some problems injury wise as well. He had some foot problem. So weren't they a little bit weary of taking somebody like a Sam Mbui who might fall into the same category as Bill Walton Injury, wise. Well, supposedly, they were weary and they supposedly did a lot of they performed a ton of physical exams they say. wits Buoy Stu inman was the general manager at the time Stu just died recently actually, but you know he had. Had A fine record. He was considered something of a personnel genius leading into this draft. He just thought it was such an upside with bully and then they did take these precautions with these physicals but you just. You know you just don't know I. Mean Look what has happened again history repeats itself they take the the trailblazers take. Greg. Oden a kid who had who already had some history of injuries to his hip and to his wrist and look what happened I mean. He you know who knows what his future is at this point, and so you just you just can't tell the nineteen eighty-four draft just for the record number three. Michael. Jordan goes to Chicago out of North Carolina and then another no of care on a fine player going to Dallas was Sam Perkins and rounding out the top five Charles Barkley from. Philadelphia. When we look back now nineteen eighty-four longtime ago. What do you think was the legacy? What did it actually mean.

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"stu inman" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader

KNBR The Sports Leader

06:12 min | 2 years ago

"stu inman" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader

"A bad draft Akeem Olajuwon and then of course but we and then Michael Jordan Sam Perkins Charles Barkley dinner bell Mel Turpin Alvin Robertson was a great defender yeah John stocked in in there in the teens sixteenth overall so not bad not a bad first round small favors I think here is a look at one of the best drafts classes in the history of the NBA when you go Akeem the dream a hall of Famer and we got a sample we got hurt Michael Sam Perkins and under rated player Barkley Alvin Robertson was a good player Otis Thorpe Leon war do you know John Stockton was later in the draft number sixteen overall Vern Fleming I know in Indiana so I A. when you look at the top of it though to go a hall of Famer had one hall of Famer three hall of Famer at five that's a pretty good guard draft class that's one of the in it you're not just talking hall of Famer you're talking some of the best players that have ever played so but yeah I'd say Michael's a can't miss prospect please pretty good hi this is a great quote so in nineteen eighty four Bentley Bobby knight called Blazers GM Stu Inman ahead of the nineteen eighty four draft he said he just couldn't draft immensity just couldn't drop M. J. at the number two spot we need a centre night responded then draft Jordan and claim it center obviously the Blazers did not do that bad click check certain time and it was a different game obviously that much all the steps story weeks ago on the show yeah cause me Jordan was so good and that everything eighty four James Byrd Charles Barkley tells us yeah Charles Barkley and Bobby knight we're not going to peacefully I keep him down with a friend I'm gonna get along every rules I had Berkeley was break at this rate cut Charles Barkley of dead AT forty all right this is pretty funny rob Gronkowski in his time away from his brief time away from football did a lot of different things apparently he did a show for CBS in which celebrities do a bunch of different different things that are foreign to them old rob Gronkowski did rhythmic gymnastics rhythmic gymnastics so he was on his room call with person generally who we've had on before she comes the box for ESPN and then to kill a meals on the zoom call because they're going to do this virtual party so they so crunk here is talking about his appearance on the CBS show and rhythmic gymnastics where he actually makes up the work I had two hours of practice routine by Olympic gold medalists bye ladies out where superstar rhythmic gymnastic curse I think I just made up word but that's all right that's what I Jeff massacres I'm sorry right tell you that you've got a truck on my performance in your lucky we're not doing gymnastics warranty stop this is tell you this is all like this I just did random competitions while I was retired I'm getting a masters like that's injecting he doesn't understand and master all these random competition let me tell you a list of my football skills yes rhythmic gymnastics errors that's what he said yes classic so she mark was on a show that I am trying my daughter's boss produced for CBS and I guess the same show you're talking about yeah what's the name of Sean let me let me look it up real quick and it was on where he would it was a panel like Jerry and it was Venus Williams was on the other team is that it when we see here I've got it was here that actually was the worst show I've ever seen in my life Venus Williams say in some of the news with the bass Venus's Serena was Venus she didn't say a word the entire time that one word and it got the highest rating of any show and that's what said that's us is what we're doing here in quarantine J. O. on is what it's called James the name of the show yeah start rhythmic gymnastic Hirst Street yep and what I saw was the one I saw was she was in a Reger H. got on bikes against J. R. Smith I think J. R. Smith design team Venus and they had to keep the RPM's of the bike up to a hundred or more to drop below a hundred there was a water balloon above their head that would come down closer to the head and then ultimately you know because you start at a hundred you're fine and then you get tired rock was really good at it and J. R. Smith yes don't know the score J. R. Smith that guy he did not so and it was yes call game man right my daughter in law's actually produces a show for CBS as part of the James Gordon family he can it's still a great ratings but it was it was awful you know I'm looking I will give him credit he he's a hell of an athlete because I'm looking at this stuff he's a big dude and like he's grabbing his I mean he's the he's flight I yes I mean there's no way I mean this is crazy the reigning masters now he he does release yeah he's kind of like a modern day Alex Karras a little bit Mongo you know it's a little a little of that but if he's willing to do anything there's a great rhythmic gymnastic curse however even do that he thought it was he thought it was real he he he originally was calling it apparently ribboned gymnastics but they told me to read make not ribbon can you name the ribbons in the things there and knowledge and stuff but he's a good sport yeah he's a good sport I would say that for game not a game on the show all right let's see what she fears of it here I want you to to intro this next one you can do it a heck a lot better than I can well it's and Juneteenth as we were talking earlier I guess at the part of the reason I was going to the giants game that day may have been because type was away doing first birthday I don't even realize what it was but I was gonna do giants game eleven years ago today and I got a call early in the morning that my brother was gonna make it was.

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"stu inman" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

11:13 min | 2 years ago

"stu inman" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

"A movie critic. Maybe I could be a food critic. These Buffon's taste bad or an art critic. Painting is bad. It got. I'm so disgusted by Rick tittle that I find him very intoxicating. I thank you for that and welcome back to the show. You know there were some. There were a lot of angles. The last dance could've taken and I not just mean you know wizards and all that I mean it's just. The story isn't entirely too long to get into the ten hours but think about the trade offers when the Blazers infamously forever now passed on Jordan but the number two pick and eighty four. But you know but obviously looks. It looks worse every day. It looks worse even with the documentary. And excuse me the Jordan's Olympic team in eighty four. Bobby Knight was so enamored with them. Remember the quote Bobby Knight. Said he's the best player I've ever coached and the blazers. Gm was STU INMAN and he told Bobby Knight that he was not GonNa pick Jordan because they needed a center. And Bobby Knight. Apparently told STU INMAN draft Michael Jordan and play him at center. You know tongue-in-cheek cheek like just just take the guy taken but before the Bulls made their intentions now. There were a lot of people that were begging to switch with the Bulls. Now these are supposedly facts now but we never really know the seventy sixers offered Dr J. Straight up which was also Dr J. and the number five. Pick the number five picture not to be Charles Barkley and Andrew. Tony who is an all star guard at the time? Dr J. Charles. Barkley the pick for him Andrew. Tony the Sonics talked about a trade that they're gonNA give them Jack Sigma Which at the time you think. Well there's an established center but still Jaksic man I mean come on And then other one link door Jordan to Dallas with Mark Maguire. Lotta people will remember Mark Maguire on subsequent tunes cooking the Pistons but the most unbelievable rumor of all came from a potential teammate because in Akeem Elisha lawns book my life and basketball living the dream. He said the rockets discussed trading Ralph Sampson to Portland for the number two pick and Clyde Drexler they would have taken Jordan they would have taken sorry Elisha. One number one overall Jordan number two now combining those two with Clyde Drexler would have been one of the greatest trios. Nba History. But it was Houston that said no to the offer so in other words just to reiterate Portland Houston. Let's flip flop and for flip-flopping you give structure and we'll give you Ralph Sampson our F. Sam Senate getting felt over to the warriors not long after much to my show grand and then once Jordan got drafted. Sam Smith actually said in the Jordan rules that it was revealed that the clippers offered the bulls any five players or draft picks that they had now at that point that included the number one and number six pick and the next summer's draft. Chicago SAID NO FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. But they had toyed with the The ideas But the Bulls never traded Jordan and suffice to say they don't regret it and that's something I'll say about Jerry. Krause look at all the guys who have been traded. You Know Willie mays Wayne Gretzky can Saco in his prime in the on-deck circle. That was a shocker. For me I was working that game that night for sports channel. It was still haunts me. It goes on and on the greatest players in history a lot of times. They're bit older but they've been traded. They never traded Jordan. They knew that that would make zero sense now. Another thing that they didn't really talk about in the documentary was that Jordan which you could say you know. He came in kind of a one trick pony and then he turned into a great defender but those first few years in Chicago. I remember those years very well. He was a one man team and remember. When the Bulls offense was sputtering Doug Collins May Jordan the point guard and the the results hardly even look real because the first month that he became a point guard late in the season which was like mid March to mid April Jordan. Averaged thirty points eleven assists nine rebounds per game and at one point at Point Guard. He had ten triple doubles in eleven games. And in the one thousand nine hundred and nine playoffs. He had seven double digit assist Games. Now think about this. Kobe Bryant in his twenty years had nine double digit assist games in his career because Kobe was a great scorer but so Jordan thinking about that. Kobe had nine. Jordan had seven in one playoffs so most arguments surrounding Jordan and Lebron they boil down to a playing style because Jordan as typically viewed as superior scorer were James's prayed praise for his all around game. They're different different size. Guys One's a garden one's a forward. The truth is somewhere in between both were more capable than what we think they can do. I mean for those people who hate on Lebron. I remember you know many NBA finals series. That I attended thank you. Nba For giving me a press. Pass here at sports violent but Lebron get the ball and he'd bring it down the court and sometimes they'd have it would all on them. Sometimes they'd have bogut sometimes they'd have Three on Green. Whatever they'd switch off they did it piecemeal. Sometimes they have Fbi Yudo over. That kid was that but anyway they would trade off and Lebron would get the ball. He'd call out some numbers of the top of the key pass. It wants to Della Vedova Pass. It wants to Shumpert comes back to Jordan. I mean comes back to Jordan comes back to Lebron turns his back to the WHO back down back down back down. Every time he dribbled didn't matter how much defender had planted his feet in the hardwood. Move Him back back. Moving back off the glass and in or drop the shoulder get the guy to go turn around and drop it off the glass or double teamed step back Fadeaway Katie Style. Lebron is one of the greatest players of all time. But that's my my point is with that is that is what. Lebron James is as a point guard. It's basically one man team just because you bring the ball up the court doesn't make you a point guard bark out. A few plays does not make your point card. That's why I'd always bugsy when they say. Oh Magic Johnson. Greatest Point Guard and yeah he was better than Lebron. Because you'd pass the ball more but true point guards the way that they are generals of a team like I always I always Kind of bad mouth Steve Nash for winning an MVP. But Steve. Nash is the epitome of what a point guard is as you run your offense and it goes through you. You make passes you call the plays you can score? You can defend Lebron. As a point guard can do that so I just read you some stats there of not just Jordan as a point guard Jordan as a point guard in the playoffs plows so as much as George. Karl was tongue in cheek. When you told STU INMAN and Portland to draft Jordan and play him at center if you need a center so badly. It's not that harebrained scheme. You probably wouldn't want a eight forward but you think about how Barkley is. And how many rebounds he gets think about how. Tall Rodman is. And how many rebounds he gets Rodman six nine. It's not it's not out of the realm kidding but Jordan was you can. You could ask him to do anything on the floor. And he was gonNA give it everything and lot of times with Panache. Aplomb and a plum. Give him one of those two he could. He could get it done. So it's it's dumb to compare Lebron it's like saying you know what's better a mucks a Mustang or Camaro. They're both amazing. I Love Them. You go we'll the mustangs better the CAMAROS better and it. Just let's just appreciate them for what they are all right house after comparison. I'm it'll.

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"stu inman" Discussed on ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP

ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP

10:30 min | 2 years ago

"stu inman" Discussed on ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP

"And I wonder if it does I wonder if he's gonna watch I wonder if he watches it and gets Madison I wonder if he still believes that niche eventually will prove everyone wrong listen I I don't I don't know that you're in that situation and then I guess I am indirectly questioning a person's honesty but look I don't know if I can hide that from my brother much less a random fret okay so like if if cap would say to you while I talk to Ryan in in caps got a better connection to Ryan that any of us and he's moved on my point to you is is I could tell my brother that and I'm closer to my brother I think than cap is is the pace and and I couldn't you mean the the closes in on it listen I I could say to my brother I'm over it I got to get up every day and go to work and you know I can't deal in the what ifs I got a deal in the here and now but I don't know that that in in Payson measure different but they're similar and I think that's when the Jews here but he told me he he didn't the TV is being on being reminded on on how bad he was playing so don't you think pace would be affected the same way with everyone talking about it knowing it these quarterbacks are not just go I think for your own sanity in again speaking in general terms with no inside knowledge I think for your own sanity you have to do a little bit of separating yourself from it or you would just it would infect the rest of your life I know he's got a young family in this and he's he's the defending it it you know executive the year in some people's publications so he does have some things that have gone his way and he should feel good about those things I don't think you can sit and dwell on it I think it can bother you for sure but I do believe that you have to find a way to separate yourself from that pain did stew in men ever admit that he failed in picking Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan Stu Inman the GM of the Portland trail Blazers sign is lady alive still not he's no longer tombstone that but it is it is it's an interesting Sam it it plays in the same arena but it's not really an apples to apples conversation at this point yes that's all I'm going because Michael went on to listen if if the Sean Watson impacted my home's gonna don't win any titles true we can't make that same claim that Hey we feel just like the Portland trailblazers did when they took Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan it just won't play is an apples to apples comparison do you know that if pasted the exact same thing trade up from three to two landed one of these two and they would have the exact same career I know people question at do you know the high regard that we would have pace all no doubt I mean do you do when I got it would be the opposite we be thrown that's true and we can you believe we've got this guy can you buy things that that my home's gonna win three super bowls Bob under I took the under as much as I admire layers wind I said at one and a half would you go over there I'd still go under has it won three zero one three say I would always take the under anything it is one one right if you set it out one and a half I take the under because I do believe that they will there's a good chance they could win a Superbowl but when you multiple Super Bowl Tom Brady or your you live ma'am well office burger there are exceptions but the truth is even the really good quarterbacks don't walk away but also will tell you know what Brady in manning who both were the at the time what is the best ever at their you know during the pair to play some if mall yeah is the best quarterback during his generation of placement top Montana one three nine Donna my tire are no meant my ten one four right the wind yes you want for so if you're the best of your generation for a decade you have a chance time to come you're right but you are projecting than that he one one I have gotten pulled out one one I was just yes I I would I would say yes for one I would always take the under and I'm like he didn't win until those last two years I'll say this I feel comfortable saying hell when one in plain multiple super bowls pet homes with no sign that yeah I mean that's was outlays career he ended up winning too but he went to what sex at least five I know we lost the first three you might consider I don't think we need to go to he lost the first three played in general if you all right three one two three three two three seven seven six let's get to the calls while take a gas our how our listeners voting over six thousand votes are you over Ryan pace missing on watching them homes fifty seven percent say no you're right there fifty eight percent say now fifty percent not over at forty one point two are very angry at us for even bring I know there are people that have threatened or if they they don't listen to us anymore and everything listen all I can tell you is again I'll keep it simple we're not farmers you know they they the wheat crop I I can't give you any information on that so we're playing we're playing the hits our football season ended just a little bit ago and to the quarterbacks plane were drafted in the same draft classes are quarterback we in the ninth ranked offense we have the twenty so when did you put all these pieces together in the puzzle is something I think that your privilege pretty much have to put out on your table and talk about who came up with a catchy name for it all right in Franklin park your any as P. one thousand awry Hey guys love the show you know I I consider myself a relatively sane sports person but I gotta be honest you know I just watching him play I am still not over it and it's not because my hands in Austin are looking like they're great it's because to boost you just socks are much this year he looked so bad and I know the offense of line too and I know the tight ends and I know a million other reasons things happen that helps with that but at the same time the guy threw for over three hundred yards once the entire season his stats look bad and I think that karma touched on it earlier seventeen touchdowns to ten interceptions I mean that's just I I think the fact that he was picked the fact they traded up form did together to yeah that's awful but the fact that he's just not even a middle of the road quarterback just makes it look that much worse number seventeen Ryan that's the number I believe the three hundred yard passing games Patrick moans is adding to your two years of starting in Kansas city so now I feel worse yeah I'm here to take you and let's go do Gerry and Bourbon a Gerry you're on ESPN one thousand what's going on Hey guys Friday I you don't have the weekend yeah I got it so I want to say that it is maddening to see a whole lot and do what they're doing alright we have their fans have to move on from the fact because your the thing thanks so much to develop a quarterback in the NFL from relationship the coach for calling play book maybe even the schedule so it is hard for anybody to say that okay this this and this this and that it takes to make a start corner that already M. B. T. that nobody can say that draft no homes are ones and that they would be doing in Chicago what they're doing on their team we've got now that that's not I I with all due respect I don't buy I don't I I don't buy that is a really important conversation because all the only thing that's meaningful to me and this is my own individual opinion Gary is our with those two guys be better in our offense not would they be as good as they are and their offense is here in Chicago because the only thing that matters is this is our offense is who we are with those guys were brought the valuable be better than our guy that's the only route okay conversation wouldn't be doing what you're doing right now if you were throwing to our province then at that time hello again the big Gerry this is my point would he be better than yes it would be better one percent it would be better then that's the end of the conversation isn't it I'm much better about how much better as well what we gave up to get much better even for those with the worst of the bunch so if he's better than what I live with that yeah I mean again I we'll get you going yeah I this is this is this is listen I I I get that conversation from people all the time well they wouldn't your to Sean and and and and Pat wouldn't be that good in Chicago is they are where they are because of who they're throwing to looking Houston de Andre Hopkins is out there will fuller's out there when he's healthy in Kansas city it's Tyree kill it's Travis can I get all that there's no question especially in Kansas city what Patrick well home has to work with is significantly better than what Mitch has to work with the only relevant question is with those guys be better in our offense than our guy is period end of story and the last thing I would say do is the reason why I think it stings for most is you keep going back to the same evaluation process questions it would be different if you took guys who were kind of had the same type of resume performance experience level at the collegiate level but would you did is you talk a guy that had less accomplishment and less experience and you projected he was going to be better over other guys that you had more tape of you had more you there was more evidence as to who they could be as plain was really good but he wasn't like this outstanding quarterback even in that one year so that's I think also that think that fuels the state Miguel in LA your any has been one thousand what's on the gal there you guys love the soul man thank you mark by my feeling is is just watching the games he always looks lost out there he can hit a moving target these guys Sean what's in in my home daily they control the offense they're out there they know what they're doing they know when I got to get the ball you're basically it's.

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