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Pro-Trump extremists storm Capitol Hill

Front Burner

33:54 min | 7 months ago

Pro-Trump extremists storm Capitol Hill

"In the fall of nineteen ninety eight an elderly woman known as the cat lady went missing. She had a very Very distinctive silhouette and very recognizable. When you're walking into town a handkerchief on her hair long overcoat like somebody that lived on the street. All police could find were her thirty. Cats shot dead. I always knew something happened to her disadvantage like that. Uncover the cat lady case from cbc. Podcasts this is a cbc podcast. But i said something's wrong here. Something's really wrong can have happened and we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore early on wednesday afternoon. Donald trump spoke to thousands of his supporters at a rally in washington. Dc going to walk down. Pennsylvania avenue i love pennsylvania and we're going to the capital and we're going to try and give our republicans the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help. We're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country so let's walk down pennsylvania avenue within the hour. This happens angry. Supporters of the president advancing on the capital congress. Because i worked for us. They don't get to steal it from us. They don't get the toes. We didn't see what we saw. Cbc washington correspondents' katie. Simpson and paul hunter. Join me to explain how pro-trump riders managed to breach the capitol security and storm the senate and congress an insurrection goaded on by trump. Who refuses to concede to reality. I'm jamie so in. This is front burner. Hi katie and paul. Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us on this extraordinary day and so late in the evening. Hi jamie still katie. I'll start with you It's been just a few days since you. And i last spoke we left off talking about the specter of violence with these protests. Planned for today the day that congress met to certify the twenty twenty election results and and suddenly i know you're racing through washington to cover absolute chaos on the steps of the us capital. And and i know that we're talking right now you're standing outside the capitol and what was it like for you being there today. It was a remarkable scene and it. It was certainly seemed unbelievable in the moment and and the situation moved so quickly that you really had to be one step ahead of what was happening to make sure the we're not going to get caught in the middle of anything and that sort of how you have to think about these security situations we have security with us and so we're just trying to make sure that We can document what's happening at and sort of get out of the way. I want to talk about how the day unfolded. This is usually routine event but this year there was a protest from several republicans. Who were they. What were they saying on wednesday. It is absolutely a routine event. I mean this happens early. In every january in which the president will be inaugurated it is utterly a pro. Forma ceremony changes nothing. It simply announces out loud in the us senate what. The state legislatures have already concluded and made official based on votes in the individual states. This certificate of the electoral vote of the state of arizona seems to be regular inform and authentic. It is so routine effectively. No one cares i. I mean. I can't even remember ever covering one of these days in my time in dc except for this year you know. Donald trump with his pushback combined with an unwillingness among many republicans to call him out on his unfounded. Claims of a rigged election led to this day today in which republican senators or at least some of them stood up to argue on trump's behalf to object to the counting of the electoral from arizona that they were not under all of the known circumstances regularly given everybody knew that it would change nothing. That biden would still be in the white house. Come january twentieth but they did it anyway. Goes the thinking to curry favor with trump and and all of his devout voters in trump nation. This is especially important for senator. Such as ted cruz of texas who are likely eyeing a run at the presidency and twenty twenty four so crews was among those who stood up knowing nothing would change but compounding trump's claims of electoral fraud his argument cruises by the way was one of those circular arguments. We've been hearing that. There must be fraud worthy of investigation because so many people believe there's fraud even though the only reason so many people believe there's fraud is because trump has been saying so it makes no actual sense even if you do not share that conviction believe this office to acknowledge that is a profound threat to this country and to the legitimacy of any administrations that will come in the future. Right right and let's talk about vice president. Mike pence as well. I know that he plays a large yet. Ceremonial role during the result certification. But he's been under this very intense pressure from trump to somehow overturn the election results in several key states and when it came to it paul. What did pence do on wednesday. You did his jaw. That speaker members of congress pursuant to the constitution and the laws of the united states indeed pence is the announcer in this event as vice president. He's effectively the top ranking person in the senate. His job on this day is simply to open the envelopes from the states and read them out loud Trump's view is that. Somehow mike pence could reject those findings reject the will of american voters disenfranchise them basically and somehow hand the election over to trump. Again it makes no sense. Pence told that trump. He's you know that he doesn't have the power to change. Anything in trump took him to task on it in a sense refusing to accept reality. And intensifying the pressure on pens to somehow do something right and mike pence is going to have to come through for us. And if he doesn't that will be a sad day for our country and all of that fed trump's narrative that something's wrong here even though nothing's wrong it is a continuation of this circular conspiracy theory. That's been spinning since election week. And you know what can go wrong while we saw so we know inside. The capitol pensa saying that he can't unilaterally essentially overturn the election and then katie nearby building a little earlier in the day trump gets on stage at this rally organized to coincide with the certification. And you know. He reportedly at this point knew what was going to do and like paul mentioned he was livid we will never give up. We will never concede it doesn't happen. You don't concede depp. And what was the message from the stage. That trump gave to his diehard followers. Well he really stoke that anger that exists in that crowd. These people really truly believe the election stolen. They believe the president when he says that and so when he stands on this stage and he says things like you're going to go to the capital you're gonna protest and i don't think we're going to celebrate any this quote. He gave it where he you know. He urged his supporters to go to the capital and protests. diffusely patriotically. Make your voices heard. Today we will see whether republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections but whether or not they stand strong for country and he's repeating these conspiracy theories these false claims it really agitate his base because again these people believe there. Democracy is broken. They believe something is wrong here. And they're very alarmed and they're very distressed and so when that tension already exists and they see their leader that they have such faith in continue to push this narrative and stoke this anger it it really makes for volatile situation and we saw that as the. The speech started to wind down when the protesters started heading to the capital. Listening to trump listening to their leader other was already quite a bit of tension trump. Believe this election was stolen pissed at all to be taken from them. He won legitimately and if you have to win by losing. You're still one thing we saw as we walked alongside them sort of documenting along the way is there was a young black man a counter protester who stood along the route and he gave the middle finger to some of the trump protesters and these older white gentlemen sought noticed. It and said i dare you to do that after night. You're doing that right now. I you to do that after dark and it was. It was clearly a threat of violence. Now it didn't turn physical and the young man left but it was very clear that they're they're these people were angry. And they're fixing for a fight baby. Check twenty twenty babies and then of course after after that there is this unprecedented seen violence in the capitol building pro trump supporters stormed the building in droves and katie described. The scene to me what what was happening. It was like the first thing we noticed as as we sort of walk toward the capital is that there had been some barricades set up Outside the perimeter of the building. And they're these metal barricades or the protesters had had stopped and they were standing with their flags and they were shouting But they very quickly decided they could dismantle these these barricades. They could easily pull them apart. They were not really put well together. And that's what we saw sort of stampede. Up to the steps there was a lack of visible security here. it's not like a capitol hill police. It's not like the national guard. It's not like local. Police didn't know this was happening. It was quite surprising to see the lack of security. The lack of police presence as these people stormed up the steps of the capitol. They even climbed up the the bleachers. That have been set up for. Joe biden's inauguration in the coming days standing up there sh- shouting and chanting and that's when the situation really escalated quickly center door their time and talk to me what happened then and what happened to the lawmakers who are who are in the building at the time so there's a moment when you can see it it happens. There are people in the crowd egging people on to say come on. Come on come on. And they're waving their arms trying to get people to storm the building and eventually the crowd pushes back and you know there are some police there. They they fired some pepper balls into the crowd and they had some flash bangs. But it didn't really do anything to stop them. And so as they started running up the stairs you see. These police officers backing up backing up. And they actually have to turn around and run for the protesters. Were able to sort of break through the windows. Get into the building and there are these scenes. This is supposed to be you know the place where american democracy is celebrated. This is sacred territory and These protesters broke in and and the scenes are unbelievable and as this happened the lawmakers of course. They're inside having these debates Many had to go through the building into lockdown people had to be insecure locations in about fifteen or twenty other members were among the last and then all of a sudden evacuate anymore they. They barricaded the doors because there were there were intruders again in the hallway. And the next thing. I knew the there was last breaking and shot fire. You could hear the protesters banging and all the doors an all the chambers and we thought for sure that any moment there we're going to break through and some of us began to calculate okay. You've got that door you've got three guards probably fifteen bullets for good okay. What happens after that. I look back over my shoulder in half a dozen congressmen. We're holding the door holding the door. Keep it from getting in and You know my first reaction was to go help them. And i started that way and all of a sudden hand grabs me. And all i hear is jerry. I'm on my sure you make it to the second week. I mike pence at first it was reported he had to be forced if he had to flee the building to go to a safe location. Now says that they. They stayed in the building the entire time but they did have to secure the area. Just think on a day in a place that is supposed to be You know th the bed of democracy a celebration of what is good in america democracy inaction and this on a big day unfold. It's unbelievable we were good people. The government did this to us. We're normal good law abiding citizens and you guys. Did this way want our country back. We are protesting park freedom right now. That's the difference. Why did you want to go. And it is incredible to listen to you. Talk about these events as they unfolded. Today it is it's surreal. It's surreal the imagery from wednesday. These rioters in the capitol building during their for for a while for several hours. And some of the images from today will just become iconic and talk to me about what we saw you know. Surreal is one word for it. Insane is straight arafat movie. You know i mean it would all be farcical if it wasn't the united states capitol building and if the most powerful position on the planet wasn't hanging in the balance you know when i when i saw the pics of those bleachers Year where the inauguration is going to happen. I mean i was thinking. I stood there. Watching trump get inaugarated for years ago. Like at to pass all kinds of security to get so close to where the president is like. It's right on the steps of the kaplan. What is going on here right. I mean then. Then i saw the photo of of the plainclothes security officers with their hand guns drawn and aimed inside the chamber thinking thinking. Nothing's going to top. That and then came that shot of the demonstrator in nancy pelosi's office. She's third in line to the presidency. And there's that man sitting in her chair feet up on the desk smiling interoffice and he leaves this no known as we will not back down and there was also this very well-known cunanan supporter from arizona. I believe he was wearing this really outlandish outfit with like horns on his head. And there's this picture of him. Sitting in the chair that mike pence had been sitting in the senate. This whole thing it was it was just bizarre and the freakish notice of it all was like i dunno like how do you how do you how do you talk about like it came so out of the blue. I mean i've been to many trump rallies and i've seen i've talked to q. On you know followers. I mean this is part of the trump crowd but now they're inside the capitol and they're taking selfies right. It's crazy all those trump twenty twenty-five that we see it all the rallies and the mega hats and everything they're inside that place and like no one cared. They're being photographed all literally. It was like a party right which just added to the bizarreness in the freakish. Nece of a comeback. They're all these chance. I this is our house. Our house and i mean you make a good point. All the flags iced. I suppose maybe this could be expected. But you know it's not like they were all holding american flags. These were trump flags exactly. And it's you know chanting. This is our house i mean. That's a common view of that place. It is the you know. The people's house it is you know they. They elected people to go. There is a feeling of righteousness about that aspect of it. I mean i'm. I'm sure if you sat down and chatted with any of the people that were there at some point they'd get around to saying no. This is our house and we're just trying to make a point in fairness right they steal it from that. This is our house. But it's the way they did it. And the the ferocity of it and the insanity of it and the unexpectedness of it. It's it's hard to absorb. It's hard to fathom that it actually went down that way but but do you really think that it was unexpected. Well that's a good question I think the degree to which it played out that way would not have been predicted. You know trump demonstration was a known thing We've seen how people have demonstrated in washington over time certainly since the election. There is a lot of anger out. There there's a lot of anger amid trump nation. The degree that this exploded into that. I think in fairness was unexpected. You know forty eight hours ago. Would you ever think that they would actually do that and yet they did. It's it's strange. It's an awful situation. They're having a good. Time is drained attempt at a bloodless coup. Well now it's not bloodless anymore. A lot of people have used a lot of different words to describe these seen. Sedition aku and assault on something sacred. All of that is being jeopardized here and now on this day like people who wear hats that save make america great again. I ask them to answer. The question is this. American greatness And the fall of nineteen ninety eight. An elderly woman known as the cat lady went missing. She had a very very distinctive silhouette and very recognizable. When you're walking into town a handkerchief on her hair long overcoat like somebody that lived on the street. All police could find. Were her thirty. Cats shot dead. I always knew something had happened to her. Disadvantage like that uncover the cat lady case from. Cbc podcasts from cbc podcasts and the fifth estate brainwashed is a multi burn investigation into the as experiments in mind control from the cold war and m. k. ultra to the so called war on terror. We learn about a psychiatrist who use his patients as human guinea pigs. And what happens when the military and medicine collide. Listen to brainwashed on the cbc. Listen up or wherever you get your podcasts katie. Let's talk about the way that trump continued to stoke the flames of this riot today. And what kind of things did he tweet. And did he say While this was all happening well as this is all unfolding. And one thing i should mention. It actually took some time for the images and video from the capita to actually make it to people's phones and for people to actually know how serious the situation was because there were so many people here. The cell phone reception was really bad. So i was trying to get video out and photos out and i know other people were trying to do. The same to there was a bit of a delay. The real time delay as to the chaos that was unfolding and the world understanding. We're so used to instant images on twitter and instagram but it was unfolding very quickly in front of us but getting the word out to the world was not moving as quickly and so two hours passed before president trump. Put out his first tweet about what was going on. And he urged people to respect the law enforcement. The language wasn't strong. It was nothing that was condemning. What was going on. It was just asking people to to respect law enforcement here on capitol hill. I'm asking everyone at the. Us capitol to remain peaceful period. No violence exclamation point and it was seen as the reaction to it was very soft. There were so many people calling on donald trump to condemn this. Tell the people to go home step in and really step up in this situation because these are the people that listen to him and donald trump's words really matter here It would be another couple of hours before. Donald trump put out a video. There's never been a time like this. Where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us from me from you from our country. This was a fraudulent election. But we can't play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace so go home with you. You're very special. Some of his other tweets described these people in glowing terms. Twitter became very frustrated and then deleted some of his tweets and slapped a twelve hour ban on his account which is something that we haven't seen. Despite a number of tweets that have caused a lot of division and harm in america from that account right right. And i know that facebook also banned him for twenty four hours though. I know lots of people believe that doesn't go far enough. I just want to read that tweet that you were referencing. Where he speaks about of the rioters. quote these are the things and events that happen when a secret landslide election. Victory is so unceremoniously viciously stripped away from great patriots. Who have been badly and unfairly treated for so long. Katie another thing. I wanted to talk to you about it's astounding that extremists could take the capitol building like this. You know you mentioned before how easy it was for the riders to get into the capital. There's been a lot of criticism of the lack of police. Intervention and many people have pointed at the vast disparity between what we saw today in the way largely peaceful. Black lives matter. Protesters retreated. and how would you characterize. The police response was noticeable. The lack of police response here people were going over barricades. They were stampeding up the steps and there were some riot police But they weren't really doing anything they weren't pushing back. It was a very different scene compared to what we saw with. The black lives matters protesters. I remember the first protests that happened in washington. It was the friday after. George floyd was killed by police and there had been peaceful protests in washington but on the friday night after that had happened That's when tensions. There were some clashing between secret service scarves and protesters and after that moment. The police presence in in washington. Dc was noticeably more significant particularly around the white house and when those protests continue and yes there was some violence in those protests but as the protests continue saw such a severe police response today. It's not like again. It's not like this. Protest was a secret and The mayor has even issued this bizarre warning urging people not to bring their weapons because there was some sort of intelligence telling them that there was going to be. People bringing their weapons. There was the fear of violence. They activated the national guard. But when you arrived at the protest today you didn't see any of that. You didn't see a heavy police presence around this right. I imagine there won't be so many questions about this In the days to come. I should note that president elect joe biden. He also made a mid riot statement. He talked about how this was an unprecedented assault. Unlike anything that the united states is seen in modern times salt the citadel of liberty the capital itself and he called on the mob to pull back and to allow the work of democracy to go forward the maybe very clear. The scenes of chaos at the capital do not reflect true america. And i know it took many hours to get this under control but eventually reinforcements were called in. The army was brought in the dc national guard. The mayor of washington imposed a curfew beginning at six in katie. You know as night has fallen on washington what happened. It took a while for the protesters to actually leave the area around the capital They you did see the police move in. They moved in formation and push people out but they didn't do it with the same force that they did with the lives matter protests over the summer As the evening went on it's actually quite cold in dc tonight as the evening went on a lot of people went home right now as we're speaking There's a handful of national guard officers that i can see. There's a couple of news crews here but it's it's pretty empty. I don't see any protesters left just yet. Okay and i also want to mention very tragically. A woman was shot earlier in the day at the capitol and she died at a local hospital. The details surrounding her death have not yet been confirmed and we also know that police officers have sustained injuries as well you know. In addition to this such chaotic day a pipe bomb was founded the headquarters of the republican national committee and destroyed and a suspicious package was found nearby at the democratic national committee headquarters that had to be evacuated. Ooh paul before we go today. Today was the violent combination of the president's campaign to stay in power. Can he be held accountable for what happened today. Could he be impeached again. I guess removed from office even though he only has two weeks left. Well although i imagine you could do a lot and you can do a lot in two weeks. And that's the thing right and look impeachment as we all learned is a complicated process But when you consider there are still just under two full weeks until trump loses the power of the presidency and that's a lot of time for him to potentially oversee a lot of havoc. Well there's the twenty-fifth amendment to the us constitution and that amendment is in place in part it has other aspects but in part it is to allow for the president to be temporarily replaced. If he or she is incapable of carrying out their duties in example In other circumstances would be if he or she has to go under general anesthetic for surgery so it could be invoked The vice president would take command during that time under the twenty-fifth amendment and then after the surgery all would revert back to the president or it could be used to remove someone deemed unfit for office. Like say donald trump the requirement though complicated For example you need sign off from a majority of the presidential cabinet all of whom are trump appointees. And it's never been invoked like not once that said. There is evidently reportedly some talk of trying to invoke the twenty fifth amendment regarding donald trump. This is this. Is that serious and if that gets traction we're in a whole new ballgame. Imagine how trump you know we saw after what played out on capitol hill right. Imagine how so called making air quotes here trump nation would react to that trump would become an instant martyr and then all bets are off right right and and just going back to biden's remarks final final question i have for you tonight. Biden pleaded to return to this pre trump era of america of american politics notwithstanding what i saw today. We're seeing today. Remain optimistic about the incredible opportunities. There's never been anything we can't do when we do it together. Does that world even exist anymore. Who knows right. it is the truth. you know Y- joe biden's brand is all about building. Bridges trump calls it the swamp that biden has lived and worked in for decades while biden's view. Is that if you spend that much time in the senate you know how to make friends. And you know how to make compromise and create a sense of normalcy in a path. Forward that appeals to all sides but those days they just feel like they're gone. I mean it's been building to this. It has gone on steroids lately. It has been stoked by trump Throughout his time in office You know we talk about a gap. It's really a chasm. it is a deep deep valley. Pick your metaphor for it And it is ferocious and and the evidence of the ferocity of this divide in america. That is now you know left to biden come january twentieth to repair. It's i don't know how how do you. How do you get back to normal right on top of everything else that biden's gonna be facing on top of covert on top of the economy. He's got this problem and there are no there are say. There's no easy answers. I don't know if there is an answer. All right paul katie. Thank you so much for being with us tonight Be safe out there. James all right so before we go tonight. S lawmakers returned to the chambers wednesday night to consider the certification of joe biden is president. They were escorted there by dozens of law enforcement officers. Here's a bit of democratic. Senator chuck schumer. Today's events did not happen spontaneously the president who promoted conspiracy theories that motivated. These thugs the president who exhorted them to come to our nation's capital egg them on. He hardly ever discourages violence and more often encourages it this president. There's a great deal of the blame. This violence in good part. His responsibility his everlasting shame. It's worth noting that several lawmakers who said they would originally object changed their minds after the violence after a few hours. Congre certified the twenty twenty election results. That's all for today. i'm jay. Thanks so much for listening to front burner and we'll talk teach him home for more. Cbc podcasts go to cbc dot ca slash podcasts.

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Serpent People And Synthetics Have Taken Over Reality TV

Distorted View Daily

28:56 min | 7 months ago

Serpent People And Synthetics Have Taken Over Reality TV

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What like around three o'clock in the afternoon that like rednecks have taken over capitol hill and I foolishly turned on the tv. And i've been glued to it ever fucking since it was mesmerizing. I know a of people aren't into politics or news which is fine. I wish i could be one of you. But it was just really. It was really compelling television. I mean there were reporters inside the buildings. And there's like footage of people breaking in and storming the building. There's like cunanan weirdos in their people with like antlers as some guidelines for code in antlers or something another guy was like stealing a podium kooky i mean very scary. I'm probably not great for our nation. What happened today. And i kept watching for the cops to open fire on these people and instead the police were taking selfies with the rioters it was a very surreal scene. I don't understand what happened. People in congress like senators. Whatever those people they seem to be very shaken up they had to be rushed to safety as of the recording of this show They're they're back doing whatever it is. They were going to do certify. The election results although the states did that already. So they're certifying the certification. I don't know what's happening over there. But they're they're back in business working late tonight. I thought i even though it was getting late. I still wanna do a show for you guys. So i thought i'd share some audio with you. Make this a short program and then we'll do another program this weekend. Sort of make up for the lack of this not being a full length episode. I want to say. Thanks to tyler source. Rex tyler source wreck said that They tracked down the podcast or bachchan guy in his discord planning to do a solo show and then he gave a very special shout to someone. We just have been combing need real secondhand cock like ten zero hundred lord douche. I know that voice. That's female flan. 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You just tell like The podcast basic guy had a thing for vlad. He's very convincing as a woman. I'm so jealous of vlad. More of a woman than i could ever be. Are you gonna do for me. You gonna tikki tikki like the the podcast your basic. I would know two seconds. i'm dude. I'm too masculine for my own. Good we'll play. Some more of vlad and tyler. Sorace rex's chat with dick. Maybe not tomorrow's podcast speaking of dick little dicky's making your little dicky come devi listener mismatch. I think submitted this next linda finkle hall of fame nominee. This is joseph jones with his original song. I love the common. My girl her reason this guy might be autistic. He started rocking back and forth as he sings question. Mark this song and he's doing that autistic thing where you repeat yourself a lot remember. Dustin hoffman in rain man. raise like wapner. Wapner gotta gotta watch wapner. And this guy's like. I love common pussy. I like to come in pussies definitely coming in the pussy just for shits and giggles. I'm going to fast forward. This song to the halfway mark in see where we're at as i suspect kid pretty much Like four minutes of that you ever need to perform a song but you have a hard time remembering the lyrics. This might be the one for you or you could be like me when i had to audition for that stupid musical at the astra bula art center. Sing the brady bunch theme song. Oh i could just kill joe for that to this day. It gives me deuce chills thinking about it. Joey could sing right. He's he performed all sorts of musicals. And you're like come on just dry out for this one. It'll be fun. We'll be together. You're a good actor. I am a two-time thespian. Award winner from my high school. I mean you've heard my work here on distorted view daily. I'm an amazing actor. So even if. I can't sing joe like the they'll put you in the chorus parts. You know they'll speak your lines and then when the song comes in it'll be a bunch of people singing at once you'll be drowned out. That's not what happened. I was so bad at singing. They didn't even want me as an extra. They asked me at the beginning. All right what. What do you want the song in. And i said pick one. I don't know i'm gonna be bopping around keys and notes and shit. It's honestly probably not going to matter. I think They knew that. I was not going to be a part of their production. Even before i sang the first note they heard i was going to be singing the brady bunch theme. They're like oh boy the total waste of fucking dime and what's worse is i didn't even practice the song at all. I didn't want my mom or dad or city here. Rec- i was embarrassed to sing in front of people. You've heard me you've heard my voice business singing in front of people. But i was thinking how. How a person in a musical might sink and so i didn't even sing the song. Normally you know you know the song does. Here's a story of a lovely lady. I try to do it. All like operatic. Whole re of a man named route he. Oh it was just. I wanna kill myself when i think about that story. There is like four or five people in that room with me and i finished the song and it was that thing where there's like a long pause like jude law on before they said that was it. It was a pity really finish this on. That's the way they be came the brady bunch dot dot dot all right. Well that was great. That's pretty much how it went. Try that again. Did you bring another like a real song. Joo nope just the brady bunch. Pretty confident with that song. All right i quick before we get out of here. I do have one more audio clip. I wanted to share with you. This guy is also mentally disabled or ill in some way shape or form and he calls himself pastor. Daniel bible believer k. j. v. and he posts about twelve thousand videos day mostly screen shots from tv shows and then he'll analyze all the people in the screenshot letting you know if they're human or if they're demons or ghosts or something here is one example. Another was charged handler. Okay wife handler. I don't know what that means handler. Even oh demon glass dollar. That looks like the daughter glass doll. I'd pale synthetic robot. glass pale. synthetic roba that lasts. synthetic robot is The girls brothers. So it's like a family sitting down handler and this misses the wicked one. This one handles this one this one and this but this one handles this one and this one class allies you know she smiles am fake porcelain. White teeth are going to be better wake up. He tends to end his videos with that. You better wake up the it looks. He's talking about a middle aged woman. Here look at that sketchiest thing. Glory to christ. Here's one more sh short example. This is just a woman you know like on a reality show when she's talking directly into the camera so it looks like there's a light all the she's lead it on television there's lighting on her all on the is glow in the teeth glow but listened to the serpent. It's fast up partying. And she says there's a snake drake it is so you've gotta listen to her. She's not afraid to admit it. Well there's the smoking gun. I don't know what the hell this guy's dried approve shadow to this throat cords. Yes she's got. The the neck got like a neck wrote the serpent handler dangerous. I'll gloria cruz. Oh this is from bravo shows like from the real housewives of new jersey or something preached the gospel to every creature. He calls people demons and serpent synthetics but his evidence is pretty flimsy. Like he's got a screenshot here of a girl with a tattoo. Some roman numerals on her arm roman numerals give the robot clones. He's obviously a robot clone if she tattooed Some roman numerals on the roman numerals probably like the date she was born or like the year. Her mom died or something. You know as clear as i get it but there's a in two and then there's a anxiety it giveaways synthetic clone clone. Stand trying to make me feel stupid. I understand. I don't understand all right. We're gonna end it right there. Let's do a couple of voicemails and then we will wrap things up for the day on this Very abbreviated show again. I apologize but i was. I was just glued to the television. Today i'm sorry. Hey jamie boost the decoys. You and i wanna talk to you about satanism. Because i think. I became a satanist myself when i first read about that. Satanic ritual abortion thing a few months back and in particular. You said that you think that be seen as have a bit of a pr problem and just changed. Their name not really related to religion through religious same other than as a civil rebellion confused as like the church of satan and then the satanic church or something like that and one of them doesn't believe in satan at all. I just want to point out. I don't think any mistake because one of the most important functions say hannah coach Serves they're not just there to abuse religious freedom laws to get what they want but part of their purposes to point out the absurdity of all those religious freedom exemptions in the first place and basically the idea of christians all shitting themselves with fear because the satanic skit special curly christians do hate that though when when the when the church of satan tries to claim that there are religion and they should get exemptions. Oh it gets them all riled up they blow fucking gaskets kind of the point and part of the hope of the temple. I think is that If they take advantage of religious freedom laws and maybe we'll finally actually get some reforming those ridiculous religious freedom laws. And of course i just don't understand why we can't tax churches and stuff. 'cause they make so much money i mean not like the little tiny churches but like you know the jol wasn't even austin or whatever who's living in you know fifty million million dollar mansions instead of hopefully also get some reform in laws influenced by fucking private jets and like crazy marking first place but basically the temple is just a big troll and they have no problem with the fact that the christians are scared of them. I appreciate and i like that. Like a good eight. Ten weeks tyler. I'm sorry to call in Two times in a row and the same way. But there's something you have to see that tj clip you played the other day ot dj and his parents fighting you. Anybody who hasn't seen that. Because i don't think you feature than in many years ago look up. Tj and friends on youtube and watch the videos with the rabbit hoarding and all of the crazy shit that is that is one of bizarre and disturbing things. i think it's ever been featured on the show and those videos by the way were captured from two thousand one to two thousand three and you. Tj has since. I put them online on youtube. His dad has passed away very sad. We talked about that a few years ago when i was playing. Tj and friends clips on the podcast. I believe his mom is still alive. And i don't think she's rabbits anymore of it. You know check it out. Yeah i think we stopped playing them. There are plenty of videos that i never got around to playing but the all kinds of sound the same. The fights are very similar. Tj's dad just calls his mama fucking ass all fucking asshole with these fucking rabbits rabbits. He better than me comet calling up with a quick response to the worth. You like about the question you asked. And i think one of the nice things about tv is a little variety show You have a lot of one note on something a little different. It's a smorgasbord of shit. Is what you're saying. Don't like what you're hearing. You don't switch to another podcast. Just back for he gets re york additional constanze. You so got when. I started doing the timestamps. I'm like these are great and they don't add much time to me doing the show. So there's no problem with me adding the timestamps and the chapters and everything. Well i lied. Apparently because there are a real pain in my ass. I hate doing them every day. Record the show. And then. I can't just be done with this show. I gotta go back. And i got a label. Everything and then. I got like export just chapters and you can't just export down. I gotta put them in a bucket different programs to get an a format where i can copy them and then paste them into the show notes. It's a it's a real pain in the ass but you guys love them. So i keep doing it or follow tuesday story out special images to include in the chapters one. You guys are just a big pain in my ass. Aside from that the content. I liked particularly. Are you ran your ransack quite entertaining about chapter. Artwork intensive the insensitively nappies choir news. Bit for the context and be fine but allies. The vast majority the content not contain on the pack. Tuesday's pam call. Because i get them. I don't like them kinda always been the case. The half the people like him half the people don't like we don't do sex tastic tuesday very often anymore might not even be once a month at this point. I used to like it because you now it gets on tuesdays. I'd get a little break from having to find you know six seven eight audio clips to play for you guys. I could just read the story and that would take ten fifteen twenty minutes. But i feel like i ran out of good material Of sex tastic tuesday stories. I can easily find some dirty nasty scott porn story. But we've done tons of a ton of those and it's actually hard to find really poorly written stories. That are funny. So that's why there hasn't been tons of sex tuesday recently. All right well thank you. Everyone loves those insensitive reenactments. Do more can be here. Insure you know what's going on at the castlereagh. Yeah there are currently thirteen people in one of the dick sword rooms and we're watching people turning the capital and i wrote so Existence you gotta flag process nashville away going again like yeah home team. Now we charge in any way. He's very yay partying to. Yeah doing her own parody songs. Now in the discord. I didn't even think to check in to see if you guys were watching and the discord. I wanna watch with you. Because i was literally like i've been staring at the tv all day. Guys could've entertain me as we watched. America burn with any lock. It will continue tomorrow insurrection. To if so i'll be there and the discord count me in freaks all right that all the time we have on this edition of the program guys as dot com dot. Com is our official website. Voicemail for you to six six six forty four sixty three zero six six. Six zero procedo cassini. It's breath distortion as all your friends about shout. Don't forget to write. This review is wherever you can criticize. Podcast remember tomorrow's programs going to be sideshow exclusive. It's gonna be a bull leg one so it's a great time to sign up super freak sideshow dot com otherwise. I will see you back on friday. Yeah years they lou group where more ascribed dot net.

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The First Week of January 2021|Doin It! with Danny and Jenny

Doin it! with Danny and Jenny

32:03 min | 7 months ago

The First Week of January 2021|Doin It! with Danny and Jenny

"ITW and off and I thought wow welcome to a very special doing it with Danny and Jenny with our special guests off Jenny and Jenny. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. What is the first podcast of the new year is it it is it is and what is the one with shooter by the way did not come out. After no guy, you can be on this podcast tell us, you know, it's last podcast of the Year twenty-twenty. Oh, okay. So this is our first first podcast when 21 years and it is a glorious day. What a year. This week has been it has the it's been my favorite week of the year. I mean, it's been unbelievable. I was thinking about this the other day that it hasn't even been it's been at the time of our recording. It's only been It's been six days since the Washington Post or New York Times Release the tapes of trump coercing the Georgia Secretary of State. That was only six days ago. I thought that was like it feels like that was your in the Reagan Administration. I know, you know between I mean think about what happened with the set it. Oh we had we had an armed Insurrection at the Congress. Yes, Capitol Hill where our elected officials who make decisions. For us we're we're nearly murdered. Yeah, we're nearly murdered and it's interesting because I guess they must have been doing with the police, you know, all that, you know, the black lives matter stuff. There was a lot of call to have the cops do some escalation training, you know to know when to use force and when not to and must have really taken cuz cuz they were practically I want to meet a woman who treat people with the same respect and love and kindness as those DC cops treated those not seem like that's what I mean. I've never like this this friend of mine Emily is one of my best friend's her mom was like the sweetest person ever and when I would go to her house for sleepovers as a kid. Yeah. I remember how welcoming she was when I would walk in the door and that's what that reminded me of when I saw those guys. It was a warmth and love that they showed was like my God Emily's mom. Really. Oh my God, and today like, you know, we're finding out like what's this talk about the the it's it's what's on my mind right now. In fact, I'm watching on the TV on-off be watching but a mere hour or so ago, Donald Trump was permanently banned from Twitter, which means we add the Applause right now. Yes off applies garage Elations. Oh my God, there's plenty of yet. I am unable to take your kids to go to sleep really like Twitter. Believable or unbelievable. I mean, it's such a it's such a strange thing because how like when did it first start off with him? Like basically not just Trump but like anybody's tweets that were false information, you know, they started flagging underneath. Yeah. I mean that happened like if it's only lets less than a year old. Okay. Yeah, so less than a year old, but it got to the point where if you went to his Twitter account and every single tweet is flat like every single tweet has a thing underneath it says this is false information this you know, if it's about Cove if it was about the election like whatever it was about when every one of your tweets are being flagged as false information, it's it it was it was Unreal. I mean he there was how did it go on this one? I know it was like no it was like it was like putting that like birth. That parental like it's like like a little rap music section and like every album has has the parental warning right and in the nineties it was I mean, it just bought it feels like it in a weird way. It feels a little like it's a little too late for this. Well, I mean all of them happy to happen, but it's like I'm guy and I were just talking about it. It was it's like, you know, you know, I'm not going to make anybody who's just acted in the eleventh hour here or a hero, but it's probably because I want them to do this. This is fantastic. But I I also I think about the think about the lives that could have been. I mean honestly even if like starting in September as the election was all heating up and covid-19 formation was flying left off right if you had suspended that account. Yeah. I think I I think lives would have been saved and I mean I think so too I in, you know like with dead With what Trump had said about. Hey, could we just you know start injecting, you know bleach or yes. I said interest, you know, it's like when that happened home. I felt like there was a few stories where you you heard that somebody had done that and died. Like there was a person that of course, I mean nobody's really like talking about it so much but that really did happen. If you had said that somebody would still be alive. I mean absolutely wouldn't I mean look, it's led to and besides I mean, so that's like the obvious one. The other one is just don't wear a mask and it's okay to show up at these places how many if there's like, it's solely responsible for the United States having the home is coded rate in the world. Yeah, because he viewed wearing a mask as a failure of his he had to make it a small deal because he made it a a small deal. So it's a big deal you wearing masks. It's a failure on him, which is all he cares about Creating a bigger failure for him. So he killed people with that. I mean and by the way, like there's a body count at the at the Capitol because of how do I say? Oh a hundred percent. I mean, I don't I don't wish death obviously upon anyone and I don't we don't have we just but the people that you know, they went their lost their lives. I mean nobody's you know, oh, it's disgusting. You know, it's just like I don't I don't want to see any lives lost. I just there's a person who could have done so much more and who actually incited who started this who feel like flan, you know, just was Fanning these flames of these people who were just like, oh we can do this our life. It's like he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fucking fire. Well, that's the thing actually is all the time. There's no group of people. He hates more than the than the pre-diabetic Toothless in birth. But those aren't active peeps right there. Probably. Yeah any of those people who are like marching into a capital they got into the capital a lot easier than they would get into. I'm going to Tweet this a lot easier than they would get into a trump property. Oh one hundred percent. I mean, yeah. Well, he wouldn't he's not going to go hang out with any of these people. I mean it in a weird way, even though like he comes from money. He he's like white trash with money, right? But he always has Belgium is better than them the people I love that. This is the story that I think is delicious here is it's not even about him cuz he's going to be he's he might have a stroke this weekend without being able to tweak but for people like Ivanka and Jared like who's entire self-worth was about being part of Manhattan Society. Oh, yeah. Yep. Invited like some point of like buying buildings like they are never like where are they going to go? Cuz they aren't like do you think the southern do you think a game with the Nazi shirts are going to be like happy to have this like a feat Jus like hanging out with them know they're going to hate him and he's going to hit that that's one thing that is like a very confusing but then I'm just assuming that these individuals level of intelligence is yeah, you know little too non-existing but they should know that Jared Kushner is Jewish and Ivanka. She's Jewish. She convertible for them for some guy to Auschwitz Camp hoodie to be a storm like it's on I mean, it's it's so it's so disgusting to me like when I saw that guy that shirt I wanted to throw up. I was like that is sickening in the guy Kathy. Confederate flag through to say like stop and crunched message to them is I love you. And and I just I hope that like seemed like the thing I kept hearing any time. I would bring up like anti-Semitism in this thing is he has Jewish grandkids. Yeah. He doesn't give a fuck about any of that. We've never even seen him fucking even within a hundred yards of his grandkids. There's no picture of the teaching his own kids to ride a bike or throw a frisbee or you've never seen him like get off Air Force One with Baron and like throw his arm around him. Like Hey off, you know just be a dad is in a on a rainy day hit with the umbrella and Melania and bearing behind no umbrella. Well, that's a picture Lisa. I tell you what, I thought when he released that statement and said, you know, you're all very special. We love you. And the first this is how twisted my brain is but I know you think the same way the first thing Thursday, Popped into my head was like he's never said that to Tiffany know there is no way but she heard that she was like just sent me is should I go home during the capitol too so I could potentially be considered special and loved it's yeah, it's just incredible and then like, I think sorry that we're going to be doing an old political show today. I mean this whole week it's just to our listeners. I I, you know, bear with us on we'll get back to talking shit about each other later one another in another episode, but then so basically and now we're finding out that in the capital like they're like our end around and there were there were bombs or explosives. Not only that people took off and pieces everywhere and actually by the way that smells obviously in Congress and while the smell of white trash shouldn't pass. Walked through those walls so many fucking Republican Congress people and and a handful of Republican Senators still. Chap that fucking lie going yeah and and and and never fucking forget or forgive those motherfukers how it just like all I can think of this is where I'm just go to something like that. Somebody has something over them. Like there's something blackmailing or something certainly like with a bunch of them. That's the case. I mean the real thing though like in these little young people like, you know, Devin Nunes is definitely compromise. He said the sweatiest guy I've ever seen he was so fucking nervous for people like Matt gaetz or Jim Jordan wage. What it is is it's like they're just the person what they what somebody has over them is the votes of idiots. So like so and they will do whatever it takes. To maintain power because there's money in it. There's power in it and they don't give a shit. Yeah there there's a whole dirty CD thing going on behind it that that Matt Joseph Gates cats or whatever that guy like, I mean, he I've never seen someone just like lick Trump's feet. I mean he is so far up his ass and I feel bad for his son. Nestor still might face of the year. Like this is my son. Nestor still cracks me up. I mean everything about like what these visuals attempt to stand for. I mean, you know when he met he first tried to say and I knew I was waiting for it during the whole thing. I'm waiting to hear antifa. That's I just kept waiting. They're going to start off with this is this is antifa and they're dressed as Trump supporters, but God love Trump supporters that did not the ones that did this those people are wearing, you know their birth. Shirts, but they're they're filming themselves. All you have to do is go their social media. They are not antifa. They are Full Tilt Boogie huge Trump supporters. There's by the way, they first holding down resting a lot of them today and and Glaciers great, but my favorite thing about that. There's there were a couple who were like described as antique antifa as the antifa and then there were there were two of them. I can't remember which one's it wasn't the two that like the guy it was it was two lesser was what we saw them they came out and they think it's like fucked. I'm not in Tifa. It's like off they couldn't even they couldn't even self preserve themselves. They was like, so it was so painful for them to be characterized as this fictional organization off. They you know, those crazy Trump supporters are so anti-antifa so that when you have Republican, you know, please Christmas and saying oh, we'll just say everyone's antifa. They're so offended by it. They're like no here. Here's a picture of me sitting on the floor. Capitol Hill. No, this is me. I love Trump 20/20. It's unbelievable. I thought for today's episode for like, you know, in in in in these last twelve minutes because we always are recommending a funny movies and things but were some of the funniest whether it's memes or posts and I know which one you're going to talk about right now because it's also my favorite and we'll link to it. But you know, which one I'm talking about Jennie. No one with the red neck guy or the following. The the Animaniacs. Oh the Animaniacs that was from yesterday. I by the way, I've been singing that it's so so good. It's it's it's the same a bit from Knoxville who that viral video of her saying, you know, Charlotte, the revolution. It's like so completely blown away that she was pushed out and most and Steven Spielberg's Animaniacs of show I loved by the way, like when was that like in the nineties? Yeah. It was like around like nineteen ninety like, oh wow, then I found something like that. But that theme song was like we're in we're probably in zany and then they just splice it not amazed me. You know what so guy would you sure? Why don't we listen to that slip now? Yes, let's please do I have it. Totally is your question based me off. It's so good what I love about if that's why the way the Gregory brothers made that will link. It's like love about somebody just heard her. They pushed me down and mace me and and heard the tone of that and then had the presence of mind to then I've heard I can't cut that in. It's like I just love people like it's so fucking creative when the internet gives us gifts like that. Yeah. It's really really a special thing for all of us. It's I I thought the same when did you see the video that I was saying? The person following that was like trying to scale? Oh, yes scale the wall somebody I I think I read I retweeted this today. But somebody put Super Mario theme underneath that on my inner city Falls and it's like game over there was like, you know, and it was like it was like something like, you know, super birth. USA brothers or something like that and we we don't have to play it live, but you can but the moment actually when I saw that one and I watched it on Thursday Instagram and I had my I had it muted an immediate. I didn't even hear that immediately. I was like, oh I'm going to repost this because I my joke and my head was God that guy from free solo really let himself go wrong. I love that and it's so good and then you put it's the speed like so today. So I think for me I first heard the news that he was banned from Twitter about 350. Like where were you the day that yeah. I was actually watching like some other like I have something news and I was writing and thoughts on and then all of a sudden I get like one of those I get 5 news alerts followed by Twenty obviously texts from people because of me and then holyshit ten minutes later. I'm going to create an account young parents and 1940s. It was like job in 1946 and it is Donald Trump with the moustache Moustache on a head job. And hello. I am brand new to Twitter you guys up to keep in mind. This was created at 4:00 post office has about a hundred thousand retweets four hundred and ten thousand likes. I just want to see how many people are following them already. I believe the I believe the authors of this is Christopher Johnson. Oh Christopher did this. Oh, that's amazing. I love that. I'm almost positive. He was oh, yeah, cuz even I'm looking at is not Donald Trump for hot girls contact my publicist at Christopher Jones great. He's got 69,000 followers and it's like also Christian I bet this is Chris because I he's really dead. But I think this is the biggest whatever I'm I'm new to Twitter. What are you guys up to them? So funny? I just it's just it's just it's kind of spectacular. It's it should be fattening. It's so delicious. I know I know cause they were he released a couple of first of all, I've been obsessed with the work that Jordan klepper has done. Oh, yeah on The Daily Show. Oh my god, when I I'm a terrible sleeper and frequently, I'll just go watch his videos on YouTube like when I can't sleep. This is a guy who like he was on The Daily Show for a while and he was always fantastic and they got they gave his own show, which I I genuinely like but Comedy Central took it off and they didn't say instead of like sitting there looking he just would do like these monthly segments on Thursday. People go into the belly of the Beast he would go to Trump rallies or the boat rallied it rally. And by the way, it's like the height of covid-19. So he's really putting himself at risk with snakes and you know, people talk I always hate when somebody says that performance that person gave was so courageous. All right, and they pretended to have AIDS was right off. She didn't wear makeup. She's not brave. Exactly. Exactly you would I do that fucking every day like yeah is so courageous and he released he was at the mail a few days ago. Oh, well he was there and I actually I actually direct message to him and I was like basically said you are crazy courageous and he's like it was scarier than you can imagine but kind of happy to do my part and it's I can't wait for that to hopefully that if if that's released by the time we really this show off Into that cuz he's I I can't wait to see that. I mean all his videos are so amazing. I I think my favorite is the space force one. Oh my god. Let's put a link to that that space force video off getting Trump supporters to explain what phase space force is it's it's so so so good. It was it's literally I mean if if it sounds like each person that as they go to explain it, it's like when you when you're a little kid you catch a little kid in a lie, and you know, they're lying but they're trying to talk themselves out of it. Yeah, you know, that's what they've found like that speaking pattern of like I'm just going to keep saying words and that's it. And honestly the rally that would took place after the election that like the whatever the million Mega March right before is one of the classic ones cuz he's just talking about at one point. It's like I'm going to tell you, you know, you know what you are in one word your fate news and he goes that's two words and thoughts. Well, yeah, okay. You're you're awful liberal. It's like that's forward like worried. Well, the woman can't do any what she says her saying in one word, but they are getting angrier and angrier. He's very tall. So I think that probably helps because he's like he has an imposing at least in that way. But yeah and and all of those people it's wage. They're not You know sharp enough they say somebody and he's very polite. Yeah, he's very soothing he's very cool tone. So when he comes up to these people that are all fired up. It's like everyone's very willing to talk to him because he seems he's very approachable. Yeah, he's done. He's just done some unbelievable work during this period of time. I'm just like I'm really just I'm looking at there's right now that they have have it on me right now the TV and the Lindsey Graham. It looks like he's so heavily guarded right now walking. Well. Oh, yeah, that was the airport video TV show. Is that the one that what it was? Oh my God, basically walking through the airport and all these people. He's like sucked up to our turning on him in a second. It's sort of like the Mike Pence thing. It's like I said, Mike Pence is he's such an amazing coward and what I love about this is he so he gave Donald Trump a four-year blow job and he dead He got was she is in the eye. That was like he didn't get it turned him. Nothing. He goes. He doesn't basically because Donald Trump Mike Pence did you something that nobody could do that? It doesn't exist as a power for the vice president to say on second thought we're going to give it to this person. Right? Like there's no even if he wanted you there's no there's no mechanism to make that happen and and because he didn't do that suddenly they turned on him and people are like people are screaming at cuz it's like the funniest thing is to watch these idiots like they're yelling at Fox like they're like they make fox now. I mean literally it's all crumbling like it's it's just watching everything absolutely crumble to the ground from beginning and then to to the end and I can't get past, you know, the people that have, you know, quote unquote turned on them. The people that are turning in their 2-week notice when there's only two weeks left of the fucking job. Well Brave talk about the boss is a real hero. Yeah. I mean none of the month. So everyone slowly turning on him and I I have this thought of like they were talking about if pants became president like if Trump resigned off and then parents could pardon Trump. Yes, and I was like, that would be the ultimate like end of this movie is if Pence becomes president says he'll pardon Trump and then she doesn't do it. Yeah, it was like in any like that's a course with any you wouldn't even have to be the most courageous person on Earth to do that. It would be like after after being beaten down so much like there's improvising like in in Game of Thrones. I think it was just going to say that it's like would that be like the end of The Game of Thrones a guy who's been giving the four-year blowjob bath? Punching bag becomes president and then turns on it's only be on the stand and and you know how long you know and and cuz he really is he's like, I mean literally he's been he said his dick cut off by this fucking God and and and just utterly humiliated. He's dead are you mean there was because the first person resign was like it came up was a news alert was melania's Chief of Staff right when I read it really quickly. I thought Meloni a resigns Which would have been a much better story. You know that that's how dumb I am. I read that I was like Melania as a chief of staff know I didn't know that either actually I had no idea I during Thursday was released at during the first attack on the US Capitol since the War of 1812. She was doing a photoshoot. She is such a monster. Oh, oh, I mean in you know, like the people that were trying to take the you know, like paintings down like speak of like the War of 1812 because when that happened now, I have a little bit of knowledge of this because of Drunk History. Yes. I did the episode of War of 1812 when they brought the White House Down so like yeah, I had done like extra thinking that I mean the War of 1812, but the the culmination was an 18-14, right? Yeah, but when like the British arrive the the episode I had done was on Dolley Madison Madison was saving all that shit, right? Yeah that it came from that when they went to, you know, like burned the White House Down and burned Washington Bishop thought it was like that's That's what happened. Yeah, I mean with domestic turmeric. Yeah, I mean like this this happened. It wasn't the British coming over know it was fucking Bubba coming over in his Ford F250. Yeah, I guess I guess maybe it wasn't the Muslims we needed to ban it seeming and also by the way, you know Insurgency, it's like your sole me stole this idea from Canada did a much better job than you morons and what and what are the odds that any of the people that storm Capitol Hill know how to properly like look at the wage pronounced coo. Correct? It's a coupe. It's a chicken coop. We're going to cook these motherfuckers worry about mothers as a bitches what it has been truly the strangest week. It has I mean, I it's been one week today as we're recording this this will come out but when One week of 2021. Yeah, it's it's Matt Oswalt. I'll finish. Business because he he and my favorite sweet. He's like in the middle of the Insurrection wage is like he said 20 21 is just 20 20 with bangs. Oh my God, greatest wage. I fucking love that. Well Jenny, let's hope for I don't know what the fuc. I'm hoping for. I'm hoping for not nuclear war in the next week. I'm hoping for let me read one more thing cuz I I had this special noted. I had tweeted when someone posts you can find me on parlor. All I think is with my real friends Scott Baio and Hercules off. Okay, not like a great treat or whatever. It could be like, okay, but this was the replies and I this might be the greatest replaced with somebody goes. Wait, what day was a right winger and another person goes here's One of the first on Trump's dick and then that person goes man that's kind of a bummer and then comes back and goes. Oh, wait, I don't give a shit about Scott Baio. I was thinking of Bakula. Yeah, I think that's really like that might be my favorite response responses are crazy. I haven't week this week, but I don't know but like when people take your tweets somebody took they took a tweet of mine like it was a clear legal satire and twenty percent of the people thought I thought that it was real like the responsive like and it was I couldn't tell if it was like ignorance or because Donald Trump has done so much crazy shit that what I tweeted was plausible. Well, it's hard on Twitter because sometimes it might be that and then sometimes it might be just it's 12,000. People are not exactly the most well-thought-out. Yeah. Well, it doesn't always translate. Yeah, it's true. It's true. Well guy. Thank you anything you want to add? No, I want to talk to you guys after the show for a second quick question. But no, this is very interesting. Okay, that was you've added nothing and what I like about This is like I feel like we go on this recently Journey with guy. We're over the course of a show. I feel very I start to feel bad that he hasn't weighed in and then he weighs in and I'm like, oh, what do you remember why I yeah, and I've only got hold that feeling for a full week if but I can't but I kidding you guy none of this would be possible Without You know guys the man we love you guy and follow em at the guy DF on Twitter follow Danny @dannyzuker on Twitter and on the Instagram and you can find them it big dick Danny 16,000 parlor short good. I don't forget the father. Jennyjohnsonhi5 on all your social media. Yes, especially chatrooms actually dead. You know, you heard dick have a great week and hopefully America will be here next week and we will talk to you. Yes, we will see you all next week and we love you all dead.

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Reset with Jenn White

26:29 min | 7 months ago

WBEZs Weekly News Roundup

"An insurrection attempt at the nation's capital. If you've been paying close attention it came as no surprise. These people have been girding for a civil war for years. Subscribe to motive from. Wbz chicago wherever you get your podcasts. I'm sasha and simon's and this is wbz's weekly news roundup each week on the roundup we take you inside the biggest local and state stories from the last seven days later on we'll dive into the vaccine rollout in illinois and chicago. Mike madigan trying to hold onto his speakership and cps teachers defying orders to come back to class but we need to start with the shocking events that took place this week in dc stunning phone call. Where president trump is heard pressuring officials to overturn the election. That he lost we will never give up. Never concede pushing away it to capital. Police came in. My door knocked extremely loudly instead. Get out get out. Get out so evacuated. Along staff the scenes of chaos the capital do not reflect a true america. Joseph r biden. Junior of the state of delaware has received three hundred six votes signs above the twenty fifth amendment. And in this nightmare. Joining us now to help. Break down those stories and more is laura washington chicago sun times columnist and abc seven political analyst. Laura back to be with you also with us is wbz investigative reporter. Dan mahela hayden for the first time. Ever president trump acknowledged a new administration will be taking over on january twentieth comes. Just after he encouraged a mob of his supporters to storm capitol hill. Five people are dead including a capital. Police officer died last night and dozens. More were wounded. Laura your reaction to the violence. We saw wednesday in washington. Well obviously everything person with as minimal and there's just no defense of it at all Would i think about most is how we look to the rest of the world at a time when we need to be demonstrating leadership at a time when we were in tremendous in worldwide ovid nineteen crisis and yet we've got chaos chaos in our own on capitol and and as many people including many people in his own party has said you have to lie this at the feet of president trump. This is not just about what he did. The other day in terms of inciting this activity. It's the rally before things got out of hand. This has been the result of four years of fanning the flames of division divisiveness in this country and putting americans on opposite sides of being american. And everything's coming home and reuss and really big way dan. What's on your mind. I saw from page from brazil today with some of the insurrectionists shown standing bare-chested With the flag painted on their face in the capital in front of oil paintings of the founding fathers of the country and the headline this brazilian newsmagazine was attack of the barbarians. And so the point is for us it's fundamental turku country not only the peaceful transition of power in the respect of the consent of the governed but the idea that we work things out in a peaceful manner that we hash things out with our representatives who are elected and sent to washington that we don't bar jin to congress. That's just not how our country works and so It was a very very market contrast to see again as we have seen over the past few years sporadic but very tragic flare ups of violence as opposed to peaceful governance. Couple of questions for you. Here laura i i want to start with this you know. Capitol police chief stevenson announced. He's resigning effective january. Sixteenth department was of course widely criticized for how it handled the riots and some officers were seen taking selfies right with trump supporters as and helping them guiding them to safety. Can you talk about the contrast between the police response to this largely white mob of trump's supporters versus how they treat black lives matter protesters when they're protested involve urban protests primarily in involved. Black lives matter and other people in inner cities. The policing attitude is his. Ask questions later. See much more armour. You see much more policing going on in those situations. this demonstration. This riot could have been very easily anticipated in any place should have been prepared for. It should have been police on capitol hill. They deal with these kinds of events. Almost every day from the inauguration to to rallies and marches and yet they they almost seem to have a lackadaisical attitude about it. you know. there's a lot of really important serious questions to be asked and my biggest one is. Was there a little bit of support a little bit of looking the other way with with these police officers. These officers feel some kind of kindred spirits with some of these protesters because of course these protesters and supporters often talk about info police in being for the police. So maybe they thought they had some kinder's spirit periods. They were wrong right. The blue lives matter movement right now. Democrats nancy pelosi the house speaker and the senate minority leader chuck schumer. They're calling for the president to be removed from office via the twenty-fifth amendment or congress move forward with impeachment many of our local representatives even some republicans are calling the pro-trump mob domestic terrorists. Laura let's listen to illinois's adam kin zinger and i'll get your reaction on the back end all indications that the president has become on more not just from his duty there even though but from reality itself section four of the twenty fifth amendment allows a majority of the cabin in the vice president to assume the duties of the office of presidency until the president is able to himself time to invoke the twenty amendment and to in this nightmare fair. Representative kinzer has been vocal for a long time about the president's. Not like he's just all of a sudden having this come to jesus moment. But what do you make laura of these very loud calls for removal. I think these lau calls as you are still primarily coming from democrats There's been a lot of condemnation on the part of republican leaders in congress and outside of congress to what happened the capital but there hasn't been much move mater hutch voelpel support public support for removing the president from office. And frankly i. I feel like i see coming into the same kind of scenario we had the last time we went through the impeachment process when when it was a very divided congress and The republican side was you know even if they were reluctant to support trump and were dubious about some of the things that trump was being accused of. They supported him in that and then impeachment adding but there was still conviction to follow it. And i i think beyond the fact that you're going to have a very divided congress on this. I just don't think there's enough time on the calendar left to either pursue a serious impeachment process or the twenty fifth amendment. But i know that. Nancy pelosi just warning reiterating her concern about the safety of nation and the fact that she feels that the president is been acting unhinge ways by asking a national security officials to keep an eye on the nuclear codes. There is a real concern here that we have to be careful about watched trump but to be able to think that we're going to be able to remove him in the next day. I think it'd be realistic dan. You reported to trump supporters from the chicago. Suburbs were arrested back in dc. What can you tell us about that yet. To very different people in to somewhat different cases both big trump supporters one was a tattoo artist from roselle named david fitzgerald and dom. He was arrested by the police. During one of the protests. A few hours after the insurrection after the invasion of the capitol itself was repelled. The other guy is gaining a lot of attention. Nationally and internationally bradley rook stylus a fifty two year old. Ceo of a data marketing company in schaumburg. Well at least he was until he got arrested in the capital he was part of the mob that went into their and he says he didn't commit any of the violence that he condemns the violence and that he's deeply regretful that he went into the capital but he was a trump donor and a donor to other republican candidates and republican causes. And now he's been put on leave after he was arrested and charged with unlawful entry by the capitol police who As the same agency that lost one of their members one officer who was participating in trying to repel the invasion of the pro-trump mob ended up dying yesterday lower. The president was temporarily blocked from posting on facebook and twitter suspended his account for about twelve hours on wednesday. He certainly back online. Today's tweeted earlier today that he's not going to be attending. Joe biden's inauguration. What are your thoughts. Well it does raise the debate. That's been raging in this country for years about the good and the bad social media. I the good the good. of course. it's it's an indispensable way of communicating and our our world today but it also puts out a lot of misinformation and one of the one of the challenges. Right now is starting reality from some of the craziness that you see on social media some of these social media sites that are dominated by trump supporters or not even acknowledging their own responsibility in in those riots in the and the same things like you know was antifa that was really responsible for their echoing. The same kind of falsehood that the trump administration has become known for and the question is. If you really do believe in free speech. I mean you may be able to shut up down from square feet for a few days. But you can't shut. Shut off some of these. Dominating thinks very decorative and very vice themes that. Don't use your see now on social media. Let's shift gears because also this week. The reverend raphael warnock and jon ossoff made history after winning georgia's to us senate seats. Warnock is going to be only the eleventh black senator in. Us history off the youngest democrat elected to the senate since joe biden in one thousand nine seventy-three also the first jewish senator from georgia. Dan this means democrats win. Control of the senate yes and it could be Very significant for joe biden as well as he is. He looks ahead to trying to get his agenda through their. Everyone was saying well. You know biden might be stymied by mitch. Mcconnell in much the same way that mitch mcconnell head set out and often successfully stymied president barack obama's agenda but having said all that let me inject a different point of view i talked to some biden supporters going back to even election night and some of them were actually happy with the prospect of split government in the sense of the there could could've still been a republican senate because you know they're more centrist. Some of them and privately they would say well if biden doesn't have control of the senate and the house and the white house obviously then there's less pressure on him to push through the agenda of people further to the left of him and further to the left of nancy pelosi squad and others sanders and others who are more to the left of the president now. We'll have higher expectations because they do have the house and both chambers of congress that's wbz's. Dan mahela also joining us today. Laura washington of the sun times and abc. Seven dan laura. Let's a turn and go through some other big stories happening this week another grim milestone in illinois battle with covid nineteen. The state has now seen more than one million cases of the virus as more get the vaccine officials say restrictions soon could be lucid prosecutors. Say they will not be charging the kenosha police officer who shot jacob blake leaving him paralyzed illinois lawmakers returned to springfield today for the first time since may security is expected to be titled the illinois capital given this week's insurrection in washington dc. Dan we were talking a few minutes ago about local lawmakers lining up against the president but a freshman congresswoman from our state is making headlines for another reason. Mary miller quoted hitler in a speech prepared words. She wasn't making it up. She was going in a speech she gave the house at. The pro-trump rallied before it became a riot. Yes she said. Can i repeat which said quote. I mean it was anytime that you're bringing up hitler. You're potentially insulting the whole world. She said quote. Hitler got one thing right. Whoever has the has the future. She has apologized today. She kind of half backtracked yesterday. That didn't work. And so i guess it was a full apology today but i don't think it came out of nowhere. I actually saw video of her husband. Who's republican state representative. Her husband was recording. These remarks at the rally for president trump. This was right before the mob action at the. Us capitol in her husband state representative was saying we're in a war of civilizations. Were trying to preserve our culture were against democratic terrorists. The whole free market is now being attacked by these socialists and communists from within our country and so when when you hear those kind of remarks while the hitler and market is just one more level further. Let's talk about that other big story covid nineteen yesterday. The state surpassed one million cases while it's now the fourth state in the us to reach that milestone. Dan where do we stand on this vaccine rollout vaccine roll out is just going no slower than we had hoped talked to some some colleagues who cover the pharmaceutical industries and they were thinking that maybe all of us would have it by march. That would've been faster than had been promised. Of course people were talking more about like the middle of the year. But it's going very slowly. There are some places where you can Sign up my doctor. Sent us the sign up. Listen i should Should them on twitter later on today with everyone for the various. I wanna see this list. Yeah it's it's really a list to get into a club. I think the questions to determine how far off the priorities you should be and as a middle aged guy with Fortunately not that. Too many health issues. I think i'm pretty far down the list but hopefully we can get it to frontline workers teachers and there's there's a lot of debate about who should be further up the list but it remains to be seen whether we can reach that goal of president biden. Which is one hundred million. Americans vaccinated in his first one hundred days. Not because the clock starts ticking on that in in twelve days mayor lightfoot says we need more she says the federal government must step up and supply. More vaccine doses. Let's listen if you want to have us been this curve and give people confidence that they can resume their normal lives. There must be an exponential increase in the amount of vaccine that is available to cities and towns all over this country chicago public health. Commissioner dr allison arwady said earlier data shows that there may be a racial gap in who gets vaccinated. Laura we know black and brown communities being disproportionately impacted by this virus there. There's the data shows that one reason. Why governor pritzker is deviating from the national recommendations on who gets the virus win and he's he's announced this week that he's going to lower the qualified age of the next a next stage of the vaccinations to sixty five. Seventy five is has been recommended nationally because many people of color blacks and latinos have a much higher death rate in casualty rate in in in that that sixty five or seventy five category. It's real and it's an important way that prescribes reaching out and trying to figure out a way to make sure that that people of color and people who may be less advantage have an opportunity to get vaccine earlier. But we've lost weeks time because of the president's obsession with the election instead of focusing on vaccine distribute distribution of putting the entire power of his presidency in the white house behind that that he has been time on other things but we really really far behind. And it's going to be very difficult for by the time to fight and take over. He's he's gonna already be far behind then earlier. You mentioned teacher. So i wanna talk about. Cps reopening plans mayor lightfoot held a press conference this morning and said teachers who don't show up to class. Monday won't get paid and this comes after half of all the teachers that were scheduled to be back. This past. monday defied the city's orders and they stayed home so the chicago teachers union is proposing schools delay in person learning until employees are vaccinated. What are your thoughts on that proposal. I think we have to look at it. In the context of the entire relationship between the chicago teachers union and mayor lightfoot which has become extremely toxic. It goes back to the campaign you know. The teachers union wanted her opponent. Winkle went all in for her but that was one of two successive mayoral races where Ct you bet on the horse that did not win and or is it the third consecutive race. I guess but What we had there was a toxic relationship and now you add in this pandemic. you have teachers saying we're not gonna show up and some didn't did not show up. You have the mayor replying that you know you could get fired. Potentially cps is saying if you if you don't show up to work and some would say that's typical any job. If you don't show up you could get fired but the teachers have a very strong contract that they've won through strikes and through other very tense relationships with this and previous mayors and so as far as getting them vaccinated. I don't know i mean. Do they really have the capacity to do that even if they if they wanted to do it. Or we're talking about Frontline workers perhaps still waiting for vaccinations. And they're still working on that first. Category of of elderly people with underlying conditions. Who are in nursing homes are. Is that really realistic proposal. Or is it more of the gamesmanship that we've seen in this relationship over the years. I don't know what do you think laura. I think it's a little bit of both i that it is reasonable to think about extending the school year. Because we do need time to all these. Vaccinations and the teachers are certainly an important category. Be in the next round. But there's a real concern here. About black and latino students because those are the ones is the mir with point out that have been most affected. They represent the majority of chicago public school students. They represent the majority of parents. And you you if you look at some of the polls and surveys you've seen the parents are equally concerned about the safety of their and there's just no easy answer. Forget laura coming back to you here. Because i want to turn to the latest from kenosha this week officials announced. No officers will face criminal charges for shooting. Jacob blake seven times at point. Blank range paralyzing. Him your reaction to the news. I don't think that's going to satisfy a lot of people who just look at this basic facts of the case and saw the video and believed that there was if maybe it's not intentional police misconduct. Certainly there was a questions about whether or not police. The police officers involved follow protocol or or follow the kind of trains they should have had so i think those questions are going to continue to be out there and unfortunately up you know the young man who was shot is going to have to live with with the third and the rest of his life and dan this week kyle rittenhouse the teenager from north suburban antioch who shot three people killing two of them in kenosha. He pleaded not guilty to all charges briefly. Tell us the latest there now since his arrest and since that shooting of three people in the in the killing of two of them in in kenosha in the wake of jacob blake shooting by police. it's that time kyle rittenhouse has become this sort of caused celeb- for right wing people. They've raised millions of dollars for him. I think it was a my pillow. Guy who helped a bail them out. And in the former child star. Ricky schroder who helped bail him out and so he's a free young man very young man but He is an accused murder and He plans to say that it was self defense and He has in his corner. A number of people on the on the right in right wing media and all the way up to the president but what will matter is what happens in kenosha county courthouse Like laura. I was very concerned for kenosha. It's practically a suburb of chicago at the other end of metro line from downtown chicago and i. I took a drive through there recently for the first time since the events of last year. And it's a huge area that is boarded up considering. How how it's not a very large town and you see hashtag kenosha strong marked everywhere and this time kenosha was was strong Fortunately because it's a lot for for that Relatively small county through the last few months. Well i'm going to quickly touch. On one final story three representative kathleen willis addison representative and williams chicago and representative stephanie. Kiffa wit of oswego. They have publicly declared their intention to replace michael madigan as speaker of the house. Laura what do we know about them. Well they're they're all An well known as particularly now Legislators who who happen to be women. And i think that's no accident because women are in the majority in the house right now but they are also been very vocal for several years about magnetic leadership particularly around how he's handled sexual harassment issues. Another another issues involving women engines tenure and so these women are stepping up and and saying that they wanted to be public and turns challenging. There have been several forms that some of them have spoken. it appeared at African african american black hawk society forum. The teams have had a form. Women have had one. Mike madigan is appearing at odds and making his case he had some support. He has supported for most of the black from mostly pockets. But he's still a long way from having enough to be reelected lives. It's not well. Dan is about six votes shy of the sixty needed to win. Get out your crystal ball for us. Very quickly predict what is going to happen next that to me. This is a very difficult situation to predict. I mean we've been in a gridlock situation for for quite a while with madigan not having enough votes but nobody else having a nearly as many as him or or enough to become the next speaker. We've we've seen even the republicans try to inject themselves in the situation. Although there are super minority in that chamber so one of two things is going to happen either. Madigan is gonna have to find a way to break off some of these nineteen who are holding firm saying that they won't support him no matter what or maybe even some republicans make some deals or someone's going to have to fill that vacuum and and williams i thought was a very interesting case. All three of the the potential challengers all three are women. I think that's very interesting. When we consider madigan had a metoo scandal within his organization his political organization. We also have to look ahead and consider where is the federal investigation of comrade and madigan's allies going. He hasn't been charged. He denies wrongdoing. But he's certainly been Identified by the federal prosecutors. As the person who is a beneficiary of the scheme comment has admitted to of bribing in springfield to get their way and ultimately to raise our power bills. That could also Comment and the middle of this process because that investigation is ongoing and we'll next week will also be an interesting one to watch it for the friday news. Roundup thanks to our panel. Dan monopolist from wbz of course and laura washington of the chicago sun times and abc seven. Appreciate your time folks. And that's wbz's weekly news roundup. Make sure you don't miss a single roundup. All you have to do is hit the subscribe button. You'll get the roundup. Every friday and great conversations from reset monday through thursday and on the weekend. You'll get bonus podcasts. Like our weekly. Check it with dr mia. Tear meena where she answers your questions about the covid nineteen pandemic. I'm sasha an simon's thanks for listening we'll meet again soon. 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 Trump impeached again  now what? Politics Weekly Extra podcast

The Guardian UK: Politics Weekly

28:01 min | 7 months ago

Trump impeached again now what? Politics Weekly Extra podcast

"The guardian welcome to politics weekly extra. I'm jonathan freedland. He must go. He is a clear and present danger to the nation that we all love mr speaker. I can think of no action. The house can take his more likely to further vitamin the american people and the action. We're contemplating today impeachment. It's meant to be a once. In a century event for the best ball of two hundred years at happened once in the middle of the nineteenth century with andrew johnson. Then it happened again with bill clinton and that was sort of it into into hundred years but on wednesday night. Another bit of history was made because the house of representatives voted to make donald trump the first president in american history to be impeached. Not once but twice the difference. This time is. It wasn't just democrats on their own in the house of representative. Several republicans crossed the floor as it were to go with them. And in effect to prosecute to charge donald trump with high crimes and misdemeanors that counters impeachable offenses and so now moves over to the senate for a trial again. The second time in basically a year that that's happened. How will it work. What are the rules. What are the potential punishments. That could be meted out to donald trump for all those questions. I wanted to talk to the world authority on impeachment and that man is noah feldman. He's a law professor at harvard university. He presents the deep background podcast and he really has written hugely and extensively about impeachment. Indeed he was the democrats i witness when they impeached. Donald trump the first time and the very first question i wanted to put to him was given the donald trump is due to leave office anyway on january the twentieth and they're now needs to be a trial. Is that time for that process to happen before. Trump is due to leave the white house for the last time. There is time if the senate wishes to hold a trial even under rather compressed circumstances in the next week as you'll recall from the last two impeachment trial that we had just about a year ago. The senate actually didn't entertain any witnesses so the question is simply than time for arguments to be presented in time for the vote to occur so it could in theory be done rather quickly if however it's not done that does not necessarily mean that the impeachment trial is over because impeachment includes in this instance two components one removing the president from office. That would be moved the minute he was out of office but second a separate matter of whether trump should be blocked from ever running for office again that would remain alive even if he were subsequently finished being president for this time and so that would still be something that the senate might find itself. Debating and voting on after trump leaves the presidency. So that would that notion of it. Being an additional thing is the thing i'm interested in. Which is if there's a conviction. Is it automatic that he is. Let's say this is after generally the twentieth easy auto matic that donald trump is barred from even running for office again. Let alone holding office or do the same group of senators voted up or down conviction. Guilty or not guilty have to go in and vote as it were a second time a second vote to make that decision barring him from holding office the latter i he would have to be convicted by the senate of the high crimes and misdemeanors then in a separate vote. The senators would vote on whether to bar him from office. There is some procedural reason to believe that that second vote would only require a majority of the senators present rather than the two thirds majority that will be required for conviction but conviction would be required as a condition of subsequently barring him from office so in effect. The two-thirds numbers the one you want to focus on so sixty seven senators needed really that first round but then after the you may get there with fifty and a tiebreaking vote from kamala harris. You could indeed have that the reality of course though. Is that those senators who were voting on the initial conviction would probably not convict him if they thought that an inevitable result was ultimately for him to be barred from office and so although in principle you're saying is true in practice. It's likely not to be that way. And then i know there's a whole lot of pious rhetoric about new from senators that say now i'm a a jura in this trial and therefore i must keep my council and mustn't talk like a politician but how political is a vote in an impeachment trial. Are they really juries. Or we'll be pretty. Parliamentary terms a whipped vote will mitch mcconnell tell his republicans how to vote. Yes there may be some rebellions but this will run on party lines. How nonpartisan is that judgment. I think the jury analogy holds for some points but not for others. They're not jurors in the sense that they're not sequestered their statement. They don't wanna discuss their viewpoints is just a matter of political rhetoric. There would be no disqualification if they did discuss their views. They're under no obligation to keep an open mind after all they are elected politicians and if they have a mind all we should be thrilled and if it is open. That's a that's just an extra bonus that said they are sitting in judgment and it is often said in the old analyses of impeachment that the lower house acts as the prosecutor and specifies what is ineffective indictment and the opera house acts as the jury and this is rhetoric that goes back to the house of lords. When it used to hear impeachments so in the sense that they're sitting in judgment they are addressed. It will probably not be a whipped. Vote in the senate. I think mitch. Mcconnell has already signaled through leaks that he is in fact open to an impeachment going forward in some way which is not the same thing as saying that he would vote to convict the president. And i think it would not be probably possible from a political standpoint to make this whipped even in the last impeachment vote which came very close to being a party. Line vote one. Senator mitt romney deviate and he did vote to convict the present on one of the two charges now. You just mentioned the first impeachment. And i'm the talk that you were the very first expert witness cool by the democrats in that one and i remember. There was huge discussion in you. A big part of it about what counted as a high crime and misdemeanor. Whether even these two separate categories these high crimes and misdemeanors or does the phrase run together and it. Was you know a lot of abstract sort of almost theological discussion about that. And the case itself was quite complicated the whether or not donald trump. It abused his office. In leaning on the leaders leader of ukraine to dig up political dirt on joe biden this time it seems much more straightforward. But just talk us through. Why beyond just to the naked eye looking awful. The scenes of donald trump. You know whipping up his supporters and then that going marching down pennsylvania avenue and storming capitol hill. But why if it does does it. Rise to the level of an impeachable offense namely a high crime and misdemeanor the impeachable offense here as framed by the house of representatives is incitement to insurrection and that language sounds severe but that reflects a reality that was fairly severe. Its own right. The theory of the article of impeachment is that the president incited whipped. Up the crowd to engage in insurrection defined does the attempt to interfere with the operations of the government or indeed overthrow the ordinary operation of the government by force. And that's based on the idea that at least some of the people who stormed the capital were armed and acted using force and that their intent was not merely to temporarily interrupt the proceedings but actually to stop joe biden from being declared president by the joint houses of congress and to facilitate donald trump remaining president. So that's the theory there and it's supported by the evidence of trump. Saying at that very rally i was elected in a landslide. We must fight. You must fight. We must not fight with one hand tied behind our back. Think i'm saying it a little better than he said it. And so the theory of the articles of impeachment is that that amounts to inciting an effort actually to in some sense. Overthrow the government. If i were to translate that into more ordinary language what i would say. Is you have the president here. Who is abused the power of his office to try to break the democratic process and that process of interrupting. The democratic process just culminated in his encouraging people to come from all over the country to protest at the capitol what he called explicitly the stealing of the election and because the election was not in fact stolen and because the crowd at his urging then did enter the capital that amounts to to my mind the high crime and misdemeanor of interfering with the democratic process. It's rather basic high. So he's one of trump's lawyers was was on the air day or two ago saying look. Obviously you heat applause shaking. His head in shocked abhorrence the events on capitol hill. But it's very difficult. He argued to prove that donald trump inside to them because when he was speaking and you quoted some of it about showing strength from you never achieve anything through weakness and so he of course meant metaphorically. He was talking about sharing political strength. All he meant with for his supporters to march down pennsylvania avenue and stage a demonstration. And that of course. He's within the rules under the first amendment. They would just exercising their right of free speech. He did another. How important is it to tie. Donald trump and his actions and rhetoric to the actions of the stormers of capitol hill. Those people who did riot. And i suppose underneath. That is a question about intent is important that prosecutors prove that donald trump intended them to storm capitol hill intended them to kill police officers. Intended them to do what they were doing. Violently rather than simply to express themselves politically for purposes of impeachment. there's no technical requirement to prove intent. It is certainly the case in the way that the articles of impeachment is drawn up that it says an accuses trump of knowingly willfully and intentionally trying to produce this result but this is not like an incitement trial in federal court for the crime of incitement. Which would require proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the president had indeed intended to incite the crowd and that his conduct was reasonably likely to incite the crowd to imminent violence. That would be the requirement in a criminal trial here in the impeachment trial. All that's required is for congress to believe and for the senators to to agree that the president did knowingly and intentionally incite the crowd to insurrection and again the proof of that could be derived from his words and from conduct and from its consequences and this will never go before a court. You know these. These matters are ultimately judged and determined by congress. It's up to congress to decide what counts as an impeachment. And what's an impeachable offense and up to congress to vote on it and that it's congress's word is final and i remember one of things explained a year or so ago. Was that in some ways. The burden of proof is both higher and lower in a in an impeachment process. In other words there are actions that might not count as crimes in a regular courtroom but nevertheless would be impeachable and similarly things that might be impeachable or not impeachable that would count as crimes outside. Yes i think. Both of those things are true because the point. Is that a high crime and misdemeanor. What makes it high is that it is connected to politics. It's connected to the president's office as the so. The president could commit a even a relatively bad crime in his personal capacity and that would not necessarily be ground for impeachment similarly. The present could commit an act which might not be a crime. Such as in these instances in this instance inciting the crowd undermining democracy pressure using his office to pressure a foreign leader to impugn his rival. Those might or might not be convicted of crimes but they certainly are high crimes in the sense that they are abuses of office divert the system. We will never give up. We will never concede it doesn't happen. You can see if i could just mentioned one other point you were talking about the the defense of trump that some will raise that he never actually said the words. You know violate the law. Enter the capital and here. I just want to mention what's always used incitement as the the example the classical example in both senses of the term of a speech that never says incite but does insight and that's mark antony's famous friends. Romans countrymen lend me your ear speech in shakespeare's. Julius caesar in that speech as your call mark antony never literally says the words hey mob rise up and overthrow the government and in fact. He's promised that he won't say anything. Negative about the conspiritors. Who have killed julius caesar and yet the communication to the crowd the mob in the play is to rise up and that's a version of what trump really did hear. Wouldn't be enough simply person made. Speech crowd did violence. You have. They would have to be some connection between the speech even if it isn't as you say so direct that he's literally saying storm in there but there is a lot. It was reasonable to believe that the crowd would take from his words. The action the the cue for the actions they did. In fact commit yeah. Reasonable to believe is as good a legal standard as any. You know what a reasonable person thinks. But i agree. There must be some incitement there must be some causal connection between the speech being given and then the conduct of the crowd. And then how you. There's two other bits of this. That i don't know if house prosecutors will try and press this in the senate but there's two other pieces of this that i think are interesting. One is he's actions afterwards and there is a whole lot of reporting and dispute actually about whether or not. He acted quickly enough to defend the capital. And this this this reporting. That's out there about him delaying agreeing to send in the national guard. And then secondly this notion of remorse and you know the he did do this sort of contrite slightly hostage video statement hours later the next day where he appeared to say okay now time for healing and getting on and people said he's doing that big to fend off prosecution to show that look. I'm i'm behaving and i wondered from your view. How much either of those things counted the germane to this case to say. Look you didn't try and stop the violence sending the national guard. And did he show contrition. They are germane insofar as they shed light on. What his intent was when he was talking to the crowd. If there's circumstantial evidence that emerges as there may well be that suggests that he was excited. The crowd went in that he was not eager to call in the national guard and he seems to have been on both sides of that question and his subsequent attempts to make sense of it. If we find out more about that that could be 'indicative of his intent when he was actually speaking and the same is true for any remorse later. You know. I mean his critics will say well. He didn't mean that he was covering himself and he will say no. I never wanted there to be any violence. And some of the when he said to them. Go home you know. He said he said to the crowd go home and follow the law but in the very same speech he said we love you. And you're very special people to the people who are in the process of ransacking the capital and threatening the lives of members of congress. So that too. I think we'll be parsed. And each part of the speech can be used to support one view of the presence conduct Do this is maybe a little political question. But i wonder the house. Republicans joined democrats to vote for impeachment. Does that have any extra fourth. I want quite once they legally because the lord and the politics combine in these cases. But does it make the the prosecution case that much stronger that it didn't only go on party partisan lines in the house of representatives. It has a major political significance. Liz cheney who was the third highest ranking republican in the house Daughter of the former vice president dick. Cheney publicly announced even before the vote that she was going to vote for impeachment and that has real moral suasion. She's very conservative. And i hope and trust that if this does go to trial in the senate as it probably will that there will be republicans. who will vote for impeachment. I mean in a perfect world. They would be enough actually to to remove the president. But even if that's not the case. I really hope that there will be enough. Republicans prepared to express that moral judgment. And i think that will resonate interesting you attention. If he's there chunks. This does not go to the senate. There is a small chance at an earlier stage of this process. One of the things that democratic leadership was discussing the house of representatives was passing articles of impeachment. But then not sending it over to the senate which is what is required to trigger the trial as you'll recall that was also a strategic judgment that was used for some period of time for some weeks in the last impeachment and there was actually some discussion of whether it was worth sending the articles of impeachment over to the senate at all given that they were very confident that they weren't going to be ultimately lead to the removal of the president. Should be you as a rule of law guy you would want it to go to the senate surely well. My view would be that if it did not go to. The senate would not go down in the record books as an impeachment And yes. I think that if a indictment is made the appropriate thing to do is then to bring it to trial so that it can be tried. Yes i think as a basic principle of rule of law if you charge someone with a crime or a high crime you to give that person an opportunity to defend himself and the senate trial is the place for the president to defend himself to. Let's just a clue. It's just rattle through some of the scenarios in which the reason to conviction and what other options are available some floating of in the house but he could happen the senate as well of a motion of censure. Were you sort of condemned. The president and i think that's how the outcome in the clinton case where he was censured by the senate a very firm slap on the wrist it feels insufficient given what actually happened on capitol hill last week. Is that your view to censure. Would be purely symbolic it might be better than nothing. And had that been what congress started with. Had they said you know we're going to censor the president and in a resolution begun by saying whereas we don't have very much time to do impeachment so we're just gonna do censure that might have been significant enough but a political judgment was made and this is these are political judgments by the democrats to go forward with impeachment process. And i think now it would seem like half a loaf and you couldn't do censure but we're also going to buy him from office that wouldn't know under the constitution. The impeachment provision can only lead to exclusion from office on conviction for is one other possibility. This is your. I think you'll thought about once. He has left office and he's an ex. President notion of the charge of incitement could be pursued because of a provision. I think the fourteen th amendment of the constitution. Tell me if i'm wrong. You're right so the fourteenth amendment to the constitution is one of the amendments enacted in the aftermath of the american civil war there was the thirteenth barring slavery the fourteenth extending equal protection of the laws and due process to all citizens and the fifteenth giving african american men at the time. The right to vote in that fourteenth amendment. There is a provision never much discussed or thought about section three of the fourteenth amendment this provision says that if someone has taken the oath of office to uphold the constitution and subsequently engages in insurrection. Then that person shall be forever barred from holding any office under the united states now if the presidency is an offset of the united states senate seems probably certain that it is and if the person has taken an oath previously which donald trump has done then. If he's engaged quote in insurrection then he can't hold office again in the future that means it will be up ultimately to a court not to congress or anybody else to decide. If trump engaged in insurrection and engaged in is not defined in the constitution and insurrection is not defined in the constitution. So you can imagine what the debate would be about would accord say so. That's a closer question and it lies in our future. Who who would have to bring that. I mean that's not like a civil thing would be. The one who the department of justice would open up a sort of file against him and knock on his door one morning. And say you're under arrest fall under the fourteenth amendment for inciting insurrection. How does that work. I don't think he would be the ladder because the provisions doesn't say that it's a crime it just says you can't serve a term in office so several could come to court one would be donald trump registers for the twenty twenty four primary in. I don't know the state of massachusetts where i live which is a liberal state and the secretary of state says we won't register you because i have determined that you engage in insurrection then donald trump would go to court and a court with that. Have to decide whether the secretary of state of massachusetts who refuse to put him on the ballot acted validly or did not act. That would be one way could come to court. Another way could come to court would be if an opponent in say the primary said listen. My interests are being harmed by donald trump running for office because he's stealing votes for me when he can't be president so he's not a valid candidate so you you have to imagine a similar to the constitution says you have to be thirty five years old to be president. Imagine a thirty two year old ran for the presidency. What would be the constitutional provision for blocking that person. What whatever that provision would be would be the same kind of mechanism that would be used in the case of someone running for office who was otherwise disqualified for example by having engaged insurrection against the united states. Who are that is. Also that i mean you know everything else with donald trump has played out as possible. The good come has come. So i'm gonna hold you to. That may will be in our future. Let me just ask you to take one step back from whole from the legal business and just sort of the big picture about impeachment and two concerns. That people might have the i would be. The people recoiled in twenty sixteen donald trump's use of the slogan lock her up about hillary clinton and said that's not a sign of of a of a sort of banana republic win to politicians jail. Their opponents is there any queasiness obviously wouldn't be jail but the ideal all the incoming administration one of its first acts would be to oversee not itself involved in obviously but to see the legal action taken against the previous president. There's something about that. The may leave some people being queasy. And then i suppose the concern that impeachment twice in one term three times in twenty years that somehow it becomes a bit debased and the if the republicans have to take the house they will just find a reason to impeach joe biden just to keep the school even and that you get into a kind of tit for tat with what was meant to be a once in a century type provision it becomes routine. There's always a risk as you say in a democracy that if you break unwritten norms than the other side can break them as well. I don't think this counts as likely to produce that sort of result. I think if anything that was an argument that have been made about the last impeachment. Although trump's conduct was so egregious and it was on that on that transcript telephone call that i ultimately thought that it wasn't going to lead to an attempt to dream up a way to impeach To impeach joe biden and this conduct is so outlying in us history. It's just so remarkable that. I don't think that the tit for tat problem is really posed. Under these circumstances we should point out that often. My conversation with no feldman the white house released a video of donald trump condemning. The violence of last week's riots. Violence and vandalism have absolutely no place in our country and no place in our movement making america great again has always been about defending the rule of law. Interestingly he didn't mention impeachment anyway in that video always on this house we ask a. What else question We're not gonna get you to straight out from the going on in the news. Because laura is your field but i'll what else will be these. This raft of legal appointments and department justice appointments at joe biden has made merrick garland is his choice. For attorney general. What does the legal community people like. You make the choices. Joe biden is made the legal community. Broadly has an extremely positive view of garland justifiably. So in my view he had a distinguished career in the department of justice before becoming a federal judge. He's then spent close to twenty years as a federal judge actually a bit more and he's got a reputation as being fair straightforward moderate. He enjoys the kind of universal respect that makes people think that he is the man to begin to restore some credibility to a department of justice. That's been very badly harmed in its reputation in the in. The bill barr era. So i and others are pretty enthusiastic about about that choice. And then the people who will be working alongside garland some of which some of them have been announced also seem to be on the whole comparably. Comparably excellent no feldman has law professor hosted. The deep background podcast. Thanks so much for joining me on such a historic occasion. It's my. I would say pleasure. But i suppose it's more obligated. It's a pleasure to speak to you. And i'm sorry for the occasion for it and you can hear more of no film on his podcast. Deep background a weekly interview. Podcast from pushkin industries that examines the historical scientific legal and cultural context behind the biggest stories in the news. And that is it for this week but make sure to listen in next week when we'll cover what is set to be one of the most important days in the. Us politics calendar inauguration day. Donald trump point be there but hundreds of security and police officers certainly will be as they try to repair the damage down last week with the capitol hill riots as they protect congress and everyone else who turns up for the moment when joe biden takes the oath of office that makes him present it promises to be an historic day. However it plays out if you're interested in some different news from the united states do listen to friday's episode of our sister. Podcast today in focus. Where the team are looking at. Donald trump's relationship with capital punishment. But for now it's goodbye from me. The producer is danielle. Stevens on jonathan. Freedland please do. Stay safe and as always. Thanks for listening for more great podcasts. From the guardian. Just go to the guardian dot com slash podcasts.

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"South florida morning. Show with jennifer. Ross in bill adams on newstalk eight fifty. Mtl everyone wants to be the cat very plenty because only brings delicious eggs while others make he gone. He knows easter. Better than kerry. I think we all know that commercial and every year we look forward to see what animal is going to be the next cadbury bunny so we talked about this earlier this morning. That the winner was this little tree frog. It's like an australian white tree frog. And it's the first amphibian it's the first female its owner goes to ucf and then all of a sudden okay. Don't ever make fun of confrontation county again. All of a sudden. I get a text message from my dear friend. My neighbor patty across the street and she goes jen. You know caitlin is don't chew and i was like cameron's girlfriend and i want her son's girlfriend that i get ducks from so caitlin. Who owns betty. The tree frog caitlyn. Fidel is our guest right now caitlin. I am so happy for you. That your little tree frog won the cadbury easter egg competition. I look let's back up. How did you come up with the thought that you wanted to take your pet tree frog and enter it into the cadbury egg competition. Yeah that all goes to my mom. He saw the competition on. The news. is holding you. Dogs and I just thought it'd be a great idea Because of course surprise and five thousand dollars so that's all going to my graduate education So i'm really excited about winning. Well it's awesome. So then. I find out from patty my neighbor that your boyfriend cameron. Her son was the one who made the ears for the frog. Is that right yeah. He a thirty printed the the little hat and then i added Some ears on and So it worked out perfectly so you take this little treat. How long have you had this tree frog by the way in and it was. But we've had Frogs for over a year now. Okay like was this one. You just caught like the jumped on you out it you know. We co mosquito lanyo relive no type of thoughts. You wouldn't find Just out and about and she's all awfully cute. So betty You enter her. What did you just send in a video. And and how long avenue sent in the video. Did you hear from cadbury yes. The first we had to Send a picture and desserts picture of your pet with bunny ears and not twelve thousand submission that they went through and then A few weeks after that they told you if my my finalist twenty of us made it to that round and we had a few days can make a video and then they look at the and decide okay. Now you're going to find was then it would be up to the public votes So i was like graham for three as trying to make the perfect video But i think it turned out really good. We didn't we didn't get to see the video. So what did betty do in the video that everyone wanted to vote on her to be the next cadbury funny. Yeah so it was kinda cam idea. We made it look like just a day in the life of study but we kind of made fun of her time. She like kind of when she goes to each message food. So we got up into shot. The missing Eating and then we got her kinda doing some fat hughes rolling around. The mccaffrey aches It was just really funny and entertaining watch And then at the end. I made it look like he was dreaming of being the category for me So i think it does turned out really good. You should check it okay. We'll definitely check it out as a matter of fact When we get it we'll put it up at our website here at eight fifty. Wfp l. dot com kaitlan vidal. I can't thank you enough. Congratulations for you. And betty winning the cadbury easter egg competition and we look for wednesday commercial. Hit with betty. Do you know I think later this week but it is our on her youtube okay. We're going to go look at your youtube channel. Caitlyn thank you so very much. Enjoy your education with that five thousand dollars you one. That's awesome congratulations. how sweet. How cool is that so patty. Thank you my next door neighbor. Who sent over the text that said it was caitlyn. Isn't that cool. She's a she's a really nice girl this kid let me tell you and let me tell you something to this gen ross. This is why. I have been saying for months now. Maybe years that you need a reality show now. You can't make this stuff up. You gotta meet my neighbors a great neighbors. I really. they're all of your cast of characters. It's it's it's the they would love being a reality show. Sure not everybody else around you all hat you know chasing your horses and your pigs down the street. The usually my neighbor in pigs are coming in my house. Got the chickens running around this year two. We had chicken. Those are the other neighbors the other day delegates sam called up and she goes. There's a burden the push. I don't know what it is. He doesn't like birds publix. I mean go to publix. It's always the old man who wants to buy eight thousand tickets in front of anyway okay. So that was great though. Congratulations caitlyn so other things. How much time do we have. There really are more important things going on in the world. But i thought that was far more fabulous notes there. The situation now is with this shooter in boulder colorado every member of his family that this kid ran into over the past twenty years of his life now coming forward and saying he had mental health issues. He was unstable. He was angry. He was radicalized. He was this he was that okay. It's always after the fact if if you're listening right now and you have concerns and you know what the sheriff of palm beach county. Rick bradshaw has said this on this air before you have concerns about somebody in your life somebody next door or you know maybe up the street or maybe you know a friend's neighbor and you think they're just a little off off in. You're concerned call somebody. Don't wait know what this family of god knows how many people because his brother is set it now is mom and dad are saying they knew this kid was a problem but no one said anything and now ten people are dead. Ten families lives and god knows how many other people's lives are ruined because what this kid did. And he's a kid he's twenty one. I don't care how old you think he is. Twenty one's a kid. And i'm like come on stop. So he he's kept. I think karen said he gets rain. Today is today. Yeah it's the whole thing is just horrible. It's tragic and you know on top of all that on top of the tragedy always. Have you know the left wing crazies out there person they do as all look evil white person does it again. Oh he was black or brown he would have been shot killed and it wasn't it amazing i was like oh my god in you. Wanna you wanna start a racial wars to. I do i do and then of course we find out that he's not a white man so again. That's that's also a lesson to be learnt here. Stop with the race baiting all the time. Let's get the facts and stopped making to come down to that all the time. I mean we on here today saying oh look. He's from serious. He told us a terrorist. No we're not doing that because that's that's wrong as the wrong thing to do so. Stop doing that. I had a really good friend from syria and college. He was he was really good looking going to the campus with him was like wow. You're women were looking at him like you don't have anybody. I mean nicest guy in the. I think he's a doctor now. Well anyway. i'm gonna leave you with this okay knowing that you have been home with your children. They did a survey of children eight years old and younger survey sixty percent of the children that they talked to now say because of the lockdown and being stuck at home with their parents yes that their parents or their best friend. Oh so. I thought that would make you happy. Does hearing you teach killian on Kindergarten class each and every day. You and your wife so there. He thinks you're his best. I hope so or hates me. It's one of the other that forget to straighten him out. We'll fix that in no time. Seven eleven i keep on telling me a slurpee shot. Now you can drive up into it. You're not that far off with the news for it because their new seven elevens drive through. This is going to be huge talk about that. And of course what's going on at the border it's not it's not a crisis it's chaos just a challenge or challenge. It's all next right here. Eight fifty wf karen cursor news director getting ready for the news at the bottom of the hour so just in about twenty minutes. Here you're gonna come in and tell us what's going on. I almost said wandering in but since you yelled at me for saying you've wandered. Okay so what are you talking about. Like aimless bumbling oaf it funny warning warning A model The suspected gunman in the boulder colorado shooting will be arraigned tomorrow. But nima to. Meanwhile we had our own situation Right there martin county this morning barely. There was a shooting. This was in the area of dixie. Ross street and deputy showed up and there was a victim lying in the ground and then someone comes out start shooting at them. They returned and shoot and kill the suspects. Marin county sheriff's there's two dead suspect and also the person they were helping. Yes yes so. That's terrible wow very sad so but fortunately no deputies were hurt and they are investigating that more coming up. Thanks karen florida morning show. That's garin curtis. Our news director. She'll fillion with all the details coming up in just a couple of minutes at the bottom of the hour jennifer. Ross bill adams. Who's usually here. He's on vacation. You in a new city. I you know. I had a dream about him last night that he came back in. Your city bought a summer house or in this case. Yeah a summer place so he could leave. Florida south florida in the summer. And go someplace tonight. You bought a place. Outside of charlotte. Didn't happening i i. I saw. He sees punit office the college tour. Right i a dinner. I think he's lying show. Oh yeah it's definitely covered after what you said yesterday. Yeah because he's going to all these really nice towns north and south carolina on my college dorm but it's Deaners fillon answer. Thank you for keeping company. Sixty three days and counting. And you say what the hell's that means days and counting that Our lustiest president has yet to hold a solo press conference. Oh until until tomorrow That's happening had no idea what time it's going to happen and is it. Is he face to face. Or is it like a zoom thing see and this is what i'm trying to figure out because if it's a zoom thing like the last time could you imagine just have to go click the feed us. Could you imagine if they actually do zoom. They have the gall to do that goal to do it. They they do but they can't walk down the hall and go into the press room okay. So here's my thing with this. Why are we having like this. It's a scheduled press conference as well like i said this is like a huge countdown. Might like it's a debate at the town hall. You like those stupid countdown clocks on cnn all the time so are they gonna countdown clock to a press conference bitchy does actually give him something to talk about trump. They have no idea what they're doing. Msnbc by the way dying on the vine good as they can attack go the president anymore because it's their president so they got nothing to say bad about joe biden with trump. They're dying and that's the thing when he would do a press conference he would just do it and he'd show up. I mean and and to their credit. Same with all the other presidents and i can remember clinton bushes obama. You're going to schedule a press conference. You have to prepare for this. It was a week and a half ago. They made the announcement show with the intent. And i would bet my life with the intent that if you wanna ask a question. You'd better submit today and we better approve it. And then we'll reward right the question the way we want it to be asked unbelievable. We'll give you the questions to ask. These are the preapproved ones. So that way biden has the answers pat already. Now he's going to answer. The question will be. What are you doing about gun. Control is there. What's the situation with the immigration. It's not a crisis yet facility. Was that place yesterday. They had thirty seven hundred kids in a place that was supposed to hold. How do one hundred and fifty thirty seven hundred children and those kids seventeen in end blow. Okay and a place to hold two hundred fifty. Then they showed family breath. I mean thousands of them crammed into these facilities will yesterday very conveniently and very quietly busloads of illegal immigrants started showing up in border towns in texas in an arizona in literally driving up opening up the doors and telling people to get off the mayor. I can't greg can't think of his last name. The mayor of he la bend arizona a town of two thousand and impoverished town as he describes his own town of two thousand has to now taken. I think he said six hundred illegal immigrants house them feed them. Educate them and find the job with no federal funding. No state funding no any kind of funding so he declared a state of emergency yesterday. Now we hear that. Idaho montana trying to think of the other state that was mentioned other than arizona and texas will be dealing with the same thing small towns and all of those states buses will arrive. The doors will open people will be shuttled off. Now these are people that have no idea where they're going so it's just think you walk. How many hundreds of miles for freedom they let you and they put you on a bus and then they take you to a place that you have no idea where you are. The people don't speak your language and you're supposed to feel welcome. How horrible it is for these people that are coming across the border. And that's right and that's always been my thing too is look. I understand if you're trying to leave a horrible situation. But they're not doing them any favors fury you sticking together like sardines then you're leaving them in the middle of nowhere to fend for yourself. And how do you do that to a city or a town and this is what they're gonna do throughout the country that just dropping them off here not my problem anymore. You'll have fun. When i was a kid and and granted i have. It's i was a kid. So i maybe seven eight years old. I remember that my father sponsored relatives of ours sponsored relatives of ours coming over from italy to gain citizenship here in the united states and i remember government officials coming to the house regularly to make sure that they were staying in the guest house that they were looking for jobs. Or employed in some way shape or form and that my father used to have to sign papers. That said that yet yes. They're living here in the right way. And then after. I forget how many it was like a year or whatever they could declare citizenship. So why couldn't we start a program like that again. Maybe it's too. I don't know i. I don't get it okay. I've been kiddingly saying for the past couple of months. It's gonna come to the point where fortunately we can say. Walk into seven eleven. Get a slurpee. Get a shot. Well maybe you won't even have to leave your car to do that. Oh boy seven eleven making it easier for you to get tacos and everything else. A convenience store chain was unveiled yesterday. I it's called the laredo taco company. Drive through so. This is the start of your vision is the start of it. It is attached to seven eleven. What you do is you pull up. You order your tacos and you drive away and you can leave with. Beef jerky sticks a hamburger. Odd dog and slurpee over. It's gonna probably a covert show not yet getting into the drive through business going a mesa. There really is amazing. And what's even more amazing is if you had a smuggle gold into your country. Where would you hide it. Wait till eight now. Don't even know who go. There could have been part of in this case Wait till you hear about these two guys in india in where they tried to hide. A bunch of gold are you. Are you sure about this positive about this. It's safe it's coming up next eight fifty. Wfan every time is always the same. Would just take away guns from law-abiding citizens that is their political agenda every single day it doesn't work. It doesn't reduce crime and in fact it makes it worse because it this orange the potential victims and makes them vulnerable to criminals. If you want to stop them the way to do it. What works. Is you target. The bad guys you'll after violent criminals. You go after felons you after fugitives. You go after those with serious mental illness. You stop them from getting guns and when they tried to legally buy a firearm you lock them up and put them in jail. That would be. Ted cruz is response to president. Biden's answer after yesterday or the day before a massacre at that grocery store where he came out yesterday and said that would be the president We need new gun control laws. We need to ban assault weapons. And then ted cruz showed up on hannity last night going happening you know. And he makes a very valid point that you ban assault type weapons. Somebody's gonna go find a pistol so it it it. It comes down to unstable individuals or people who are out to harm other people will find a way to do it with or without an assault weapon a gun. They'll use a knife. They'll use a rock. They'll us something. It's you're not gonna stop crazy people. It's unfortunately yeah and that's what this guy. I'm sorry that's what this guy was. He was creep crazy person absolutely crazy. I mean completely nuts. Obviously but and now there's two things that come from that though number one now. That doesn't necessarily mean that we shouldn't try to make it harder for people to obtain firearms. Not take them away. But at least have stricter background check something that makes it a little bit more difficult. You know instead of going to the store and in the okay you know. I'm going to get a gun now in out but the the the sad part is if you go if you went into my friends gun store they run you through the wringer. Make sure that you know you're stable. You're sound you know what you're doing you do this. They recommend you take classes. But i walk into joe schmos place up the street. He goes what do you want a shotgun here. Sign this paper three days. We'll call you if you clear the background check. That's it and that's it and so it it has to be. They changed the whole industry to be like reputable gun shops. Where they you know they run all this stuff for you. There are places but at the same token come on dinner. I can walk up the street and walk down one road a mile away from our studio and i can guarantee you with five hundred bucks. I could buy a gun in about thirty seconds right. And what an. But that's what it comes down to the second thing is well when you ban guns or assault rifles or assault type rifles as. That's their new buzzword. Assault style rifles. Yes dr assault style guns. If you're going to do that you're not banning it from the bad guys all you're doing is banning guns from normal regular people who just trying to protect themselves or their family and then they become black market items and much more popular to have so. That's also not the answer case in point look chicago news of the strictest gun laws in the country and they have more murders than any other city in the world. That's like hello. Hey look the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result right. We do this already in some of our cities like chicago. You have european places that do this. You still see attacks you still see murders. It doesn't work because all you're doing is making it more accessible honestly to the bad people you're taking it away from the good people and it's true And was it england where that guy went into the school remember. He had a machete. Ary had like one of those japanese knives. Yeah it was actually. Yeah remember yeah any So i mean it crazy. People are going to find a way to get to you if they want you dead there. Unfortunately that's what happens now. You've got everybody in the world coming out. That was anywhere related to this creep on monday. Saying all he was mentally unstable radicalized he hated americans e you know he hated now you say it his say it before he does something crazy like this and ruins the lives of how many people because ten or now dead and that's the thing to like. We're not excusing this by any means saying. Oh you know what crazy people are going to be crazy. And they're going to do this now. We're not seeing that now. What we're saying is you shouldn't punish the good people because of what the bad people do. You can't take the accessibility away from just normal. Everyday people like you who might want to own a gun to protect themselves or families or maybe. It's your hobby. Maybe you need it for hunting. Maybe live in the wilderness. And you know you need to survive. Remember that one snow. There was a school principal in alaska. She said you can't ban guns are kids. Carry guns at ten years old because they could get attacked by a bear. Away won't save. Where the hell he go to school. And it's true. Yeah tell the carolinas during deer hunting season that those people can't have a gun rights. They'll they'll storm capitol hill in a heartbeat. So banning is not the answer because there's too many variables to it. But what you do is you have to make it more difficult for the bad guys. Get these weapons. And and well i think you know the president also said maybe we should increase the time for background checks from three to five days to somebody a better opportunity. Or whoever does the background checks better opportunity in need to and if you know somebody who's unstable say something to somebody don't wait until after the fact that's another thing you know what everyone does want to know their neighbor and doesn't want to get involved. You know what you gotta get involved. Sometimes it could've stopped this crazed from killing all those people. Okay i'm done yellen you'll longman. Can what else what else you got. By the way i just i was just watching. We put it up at karen. Put it up at eight. Fifty w. f. dot com caitlyn vidal. Who was our guest just a little while ago. She owns betty the frog. That's the cadbury. Bunny she's start today. Let me tell you that video that they put together. I'm thinking wow you put some diamond this. They're they're really good but that would that frog it's hysterical. I just sat there and watched the video and laughed how this woman ended up in the storm. Drain delray beach. This is making national news. Now this is honestly one of the strangest stories. I've ever heard let alone like recently ever. It's really odd now. I'm about to tell even even leaders weird a story about gold smugglers but that's beside swimming in delray. Beach had been reported missing like three weeks ago. And then yesterday. Someone's walking along near atlantic avenue downtown delray and they hear. Help me help me. It comes from if the woman realize it was coming from below her feet not anywhere around her feet and this woman was in a storm. Drain eight feet down. They brought in special squads to rescuer. And she's now in hospital and they're taking care of her but how she got there is beyond anybody's wildest ideas. I'm sure we'll find it. Lifetime movie about it in the near future. It's it's pretty wild. I need to know more about this. I'm going to look into this more today. Hopefully get facts. Okay if you wanted to smuggle stolen gold and it. I know it don't go. They're not there guys in. India were stopped because they were extremely suspect to the authorities elbow. And why would they suspect the cops demand said you know you got the weirdest hairstyles we've ever seen in our life. They weren't walking funny now. They were walking finding they were fine. They weren't walking funny so they grabbed these guys and they take him in the back room and they realize they're wearing wigs. Og we should find the picture because the pictures hysterical. How these men thought they looked normal beyond me. They take off the whigs. They're both bald and where the bald spots spots are they have gold paste packets wing a hound and a half each taped to their heads. And it's like dole on their head and then the whig sat on top of it. So these two guys were caught trying to smuggle in four hundred thousand dollars of goal under their lousy tubes. You know what maybe they should have gone way. Might have worked better. Only you start. Just walk a little funny about it. Oh you're bad. So this guy in candidate. He's in quebec. He sees a car he likes it he decides to steal it. It turns into a high speed chase. They catch him. He steals another car. Gosh cars he was stealing this. It's all coming up next a date fifty. Wfp up while you're still working. Karen be gone running out here in our news director. We'll be back in just about Eleven minutes eleven and a half minutes actually with news. What's what you're working on. We got all kinds of things percolating. So you've got the alleged shooter in the boulder. Colorado mass killing going to be arraigned tomorrow biden. Pushing for gun control after the two mass shootings. We had the one in georgia and also the one in colorado colorado's been that's terrible site for shootings kills me to the we we and i i know it's it's the it's the system we have to say. He's an alleged shooter and he's the alleged killer yet. One hundred people say it was him. They got him on video. They got pictures of but he's still the alleged person well the same thing with nicholas cruise. Because they want to take the death penalty off the table and they won't so it's still alleged because they have to go to trial wait so they still haven't officially found. Ted cruz takers. Nicholas crews guilty now really despite a confession and everything no. It's all because of the death penalty being on the table so that that whole thing still been delays usa parkland alleged parkland right. That's crazy. Thanks karen but you missed the breaking news. That was just announced. Do we have their little sound here de luise ready for this breaking with what they're doing if this is breaking news updates from the news. Talk eight fifty w. f. t. l. newsroom when we sit here in our studio at eight fifty w. f. t. l. We get like four. Tv's we could look at. And i'm sitting here looking at cnn. They just did a breaking news story literally breaking news with big letters across the bottom. And i'm thinking. Oh maybe something happened with the shooter in colorado. Maybe it had something to do with the immigration problem and all of a sudden they look up. And there's the first lady. Jill biden sitting with two german shepherds. Breaking news. major is back in the white house. who after he bit somebody. Yes he's been cured. He's cured so they spent five minutes on a piece about breaking news about how the dogs are back in the white house. You gotta be kidding me. So we in news call. A big. Breaking news showed an entire video in front of a fireplace with german shepherds at chris would be if the dog like rip. Someone's jugular and jailed them in the white house that's breaking. Oh my gosh. This was a ps. You over lavas but just so you know the german shepherd major who bit the secret service agent a couple of weeks ago. Spend time with the trainer. He's been cured and he's back in the white house all is right with the world so go ahead. Cnn stop talking about the shooting. Because the motive of the shooter didn't fit your narrative so you're not paying attention to him anymore. Don't talk about you know the absolute disaster. That's happening on the border where there isn't a disaster. The word has already been. It's already been chosen. Let's jennifer psaki told you challenge. Don't change the word it's been given no big deal so just go ahead and keeps showing your videos of joe biden with dogs. Are you kidding me. Everyone thinks dinners like this late until he started doing the morning. Show with rob really wanted me all the time. This just there wasn't that but literally. It was a breaking news. The the screen went black. Breaking news came on the other breaking news about the frog. Being the cadbury bunny now. They've been bigger. I don't know who put that video together. I gotta give caitlyn put it at our website. Eric go watch the cat. The reason we brought that up in the event you missed it. Caitlyn vidal. She lives in palm city. Actually my neighbor's son dates are and i know are now. I didn't realize it was the same caitlyn's anyway. Her tree frog is now the new winner of the cadbury eastern funny content. Of course you know them because now it's just it just it. Well i didn't realize reality lending new no reality show jay. There is no reality show coming in my house because my life's extremely boring. Thank you patty and and scott across the street but more importantly patty. She told me and we do that story. Because that that's that's our show right. We've focused on the things that are going on and we also try to keep it light a little bit too. We have that mix and and it was local so dealing with this girl. One five thousand dollars did they beat out. Twelve thousand other animals too big deal and it's a frog come on that tree frog. That wears easter. Bunny us hysterical. Anytime there's a tree frog. That's in easter bunny. Ears that fits the theme of our show. Damn it so right right absolutely so now it's gonna be all fluff because i am not going to do anything serious from now on at least for right now this guy. He's in his thirties. They're not telling us what his name is. Because i'm sure they're embarrassed that he did this is in levy. Levis quebec ido donuts. Probably not anything anyway. It's in canada. Cops respond to an incident near him. He sees the cop car. Sitting there and decides well it's run and jumps in takes it the next thing you know the cops realize one of their police vehicles has been stolen. It turns into a high speed highway chase it ends with the guy crashing the police vehicle into a concrete barrier the cops swarmed around him they try to arrest him the guy gets away jumps into one of the other police vehicles and takes off a second time. Oh my gosh you've gotta be kidding me. Now he stole two cars and like a matter of five minutes. This time they caught him. They made sure that he didn't get away to steal the third vehicle. I mean what is this guy doing. I don't know who knows a better plan. Keeps stealing police cars. It's not like they're gonna find you know it's like a and that's you know that's another thing when you think you're running from the cops and you're gonna get away. Get a remember. Two things one. They got helicopters to they talk to each other. So they're just gonna call the people up the street to wait for you. You're not going get away and is there. There's some life advice. Don't run from the cops now. Eight usually usually does not work experience. I'm getting and regal okay regal cinemas the nation's second largest theater. We had to reopen. Its doors next month. Now they have seventy two hundred screens. They've been closed for six months. Because of the pandemic they'll open five hundred of those on april second just in time for godzilla vs. Oh that's right. This is coming out next week on. Hbo max so it's given me one of those things where you can watch hbo. Max if you have it or go to move. Probably if i were riegler. Amc which opened last week. I be concerned everything's going straight to you know streaming service. It's not going to go away either. I mean i'm just. I'm very happy. 'cause we it all started closing. Of course everybody was sad about everything closing people losing businesses but we were upset to see all these movie theaters closing and it's great to see that they're opening back up because that means things are getting back to normal as we get the vaccine in all of that but this streaming stuff watching from home thirty dollars disney plus why and then you own it. It's not going away. And if you have little kids you know how many times that ryan the dragon. My grandma bought it ten times already. It was well worth a thirty dollar investment. Same here and now all the could neighborhood kids are coming over. Watch it 'cause. They heard that we bought it so we have a movie night under the stars projected onto the garage door and everything not just family. I don't go outside pugs anyway. Disney's good news about some of their films. Not such good news about other films. All right. it's bad news so it's just not the greatest news. You're waiting for love disney news today. There's a lot and the facial recognition doing that. They're testing so watch out there watching you. we'll talk about that and a lot more and when we get back at eight fifty wfan.

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A Second Impeachment For President Trump

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A Second Impeachment For President Trump

"Support for wmu comes from georgetown's executive mba was the financial times ranks first in dc and seven worldwide for teaching corporate social responsibility learn more at georgetown dot com slash e nba. Hi diane on my mind seeking accountability for last week's into the capital house. Democrats continued the push to remove president trump from office by pressuring mike pence to invoke the twenty fifth amendment like the same time introducing an article of impeachment. More than two hundred house. Democrats back these efforts and a handful of republicans had said they'd sign on but many conservatives claim impeaching trump for a second time would only increase threats violent. My guest yanni. Appelbaum is a senior editor at the atlantic. He argues peach. May be just what the country needs now. He joined me tuesday morning. Yonah nancy pelosi is given vice president pence today to make up his mind as to whether to invoke the twenty fifth amendment to remove trump from office. If that does not happen the house will tomorrow address at presumably. pass a motion to impeach president trump. In your mind which would be the better avenue for the country. I don't think there's any question that impeachment is the way forward here. The twenty fifth amendment was designed to deal with presidential incapacity One can argue that that trump's Abilities have incapacitated ability to discharge his office But it's really not intended to be and not setup as an adversarial process There's all kinds of uncertainties that any attempt by penson and the cabinet to to remove the president Would set off the twenty fifth amendment Really was designed for a president who has a stroke or president who is otherwise sidelined and and if we saw a contest over who control of the american government that that would not be healthy at this moment of all moments whereas impeachment was designed precisely per situation like this. It's a constitutional mechanism for ensuring that a runaway executive Who is abusing his power. Who is violating. The office can be held account by coequal branch of government. That's something that the congress Which has been fairly supine. The last four years has largely neglected but now seems roused from slumber. What does being held to account me. As far as this president is concerned wasn't that's that's exactly the right question and it gets to the nature of the impeachment process. It's not a criminal trial. Although congress which is overpopulated with lawyers tends to treat it like that there there maybe many problems with having this many lawyers in congress one is that they think analysis typically and they draw on their own experience and have tended to treat impeachment as if it were mental trial. But it's really not it's a legislative body deciding whether or not a president is fit for the office that he holds doesn't trigger double jeopardy so what it does is remove the president from office and potentially if a majority of the senate is so inclined could bar him from holding future office but it doesn't preclude criminal trial on some of the charges which have led to the president's removal nor does it require offenses scholars are nearly unanimous about this. That impeachment was never about the criminality of a president. A criminal act could lead to impeachment on the other hand if a president or hurts a hedge growing along the national mall that'd be violation of the us federal code but not an impeachable offense And so there's always been this distinction and it's not about punishing the president. It's removing a man from an office. that he cannot faithfully discharge and then he can face whatever other criminal consequences liabilities come his way or not. But it's really about trying to resolve a situation in which you have somebody in control of the government Who is not fit to being control of the government bounty Suggestion this in. Put forward that impeachment by the house and waiting for indictment by the senate would have to come later since. We're just eight days from the inauguration. Joe biden has. You are speaking on this tuesday morning the twelfth well congress has encrusted itself with a lot of traditions that have slowed its ability to act woman's like these there is no theoretical reason why the president could not be impeached and removed in a day or two In eighteen sixty eight when congress was facing the threat of open violence in washington. Dc In a contest Over control of of the us military and it seemed likely that there's all these residents with this moment. It seemed likely that sympathetic governor might send the national guard into washington or that. The president might try to replace the us. Colored troops the black soldiers in the capital white soldiers. Congress moved to impeach that night and passed the impeachment before it had actually draft the articles ratified the articles. A week later it felt it necessary to send an media message to the president's contact was unacceptable and justify his removal the trial then dragged in the senate and i suspect it will drag here as well although it does not have to it commit not a criminal process but the senate can act but even if it doesn't act in the next few days even if it doesn't reconvene until the nineteenth is housing there is still value in carrying the process through to. Its end you want to be able to draw a line for future presidents that they know that inciting a mob to storm. The capital is behavior that will result in their own impeachment and trial. And potentially if if you can find sixty seven senators are more. Actually at the moment would be sixty. Six senators willing to remove the president from office You can certainly find fifty one who had bar him from future office and it might relieve the country of Of the spectacle of president trump trying to get a second non-contiguous term In in two thousand twenty four those two numbers different. Why is one fifty five. You said that would bar him firm future office and other sixty six that would signal indictment the charge impeachment. So this is this is down into the constitutional weeds a little bit. I haven't heard this before so. The framers wanted to set the bar for impeachment and removal. Quite high impeachment takes a majority in the house. Removal takes a two thirds which already in the senate. That's an extraordinary party. Clear we've never actually cleared it. And i think that is important for all of us to remember that we may not clear it here either. It would take six senators at the moment because there are ninety. Nine united states senators when they swear in the to newly elected senators from georgia would take six seven but once the senate has done that. There is a clause in the article that addresses impeachment man which says that the senate chooses bar Somebody who has been removed from office from holding any future office in in the united states and since it does not specify the number of votes it would take to do that. That is widely interpreted to be something that requires the majority of the senate. The impeachment itself would not in any way preclude donald trump running again in two twenty twenty four floor president the united states. Yeah that's exactly. Right is designed to remove him from office in the moment but unless the senate texas subsequent to bar him the impeachment the simple impeachment would not and there would not bar him from neither the impeachment or they move on their own. Would bar him from running again in two thousand twenty. Four tramp spoke this morning and said that it in fact what he was saying on the night of the riot that descended on the capital was totally appropriate. That there was nothing wrong with that. In fact more should have been done about the by occurred in portland guard and rather than what happened at the capitol. What do you make at is. He's still in that place where he believes what he did was totally appropriate. It's very hard for me to put myself into the mind of donald trump. But i think i can. I can accurately describe at least his behavior through his career both business and in politics he has generally tried to raise everything out The last time he was impeached by the house of representatives. It came because of a call that he made with the leader of of ukraine. And in some sense the impeachment only arose because the transcript back hall was hidden. there was an implicit acknowledgement. In the fact that all of his aides tried to cover the call they all understood it to be deeply wrong. in president. trump's response is that scandal unfolded was to try to own it to describe it as a perfect call the best phone call in and i think that's what you're seeing again now that in general trump has understood that an american politics most most americans ms voters done. Follow this stuff closely. They look for cues. they look for signals. The employees ristic's if you see a politician apologizing for something trying to cover it up trying to minimize it. That's an implicit admission of guilt. If you see a politician proudly proclaiming something housing it it is rallies that means that they are proud of it and have not done anything wrong and trump has leaned hard into that approach by always always always owning his misconduct for ragging about what he's done. He's the kind of men who will sit in. The back of a boston brag about sexual assault. He always understood that the things you brag about or nothing's held accountable for and so i think that's what we're seeing again now. Is that at a moment where his presidency is again on. The line where his future is on the line. His intuitive response is to try to own the misconduct to boast about the misconduct and to convince people that if it was actually problematic he wouldn't be boasting And so the fact that is boasting must mean that it was fun for those people who are watching on television what was unfolding on capitol hill. Do you think he minds were changed any thoughts about what's poorer donald trump and those who support him by going to the capitol in creating mayhem. Do you think any minds were changed by. That was action. Well i think we have some evidence that some minds were changed. There were senators and congressmen who were trying to throw out the results of our democratic election. Who abandoned his efforts so squint the riott not most of them. I should add but some and we've had some public opinion polling in the last forty eight hours that suggests a smaller version in president trump's support. He has now perhaps support of a third of the public but he is supportive a third of the public after what happened on wednesday. I think that Four committed trump supporters Like americans who are committed to almost any ideological movement when you encounter something that causes you to question your priors you may waiver from woman. You may stand there and think gosh. That's that's not what i expected but very quickly a bunch of coping strategies. Come into play. You can blame somebody else for the unpleasant thing you are watching and whom we've seen the president's supporters that that they have the president himself has reportedly suggested that maybe it was that storm capitol hill. He suggested this to house minority leader kevin mccarthy who had to tell the president you know i was there. They were attacking me all who they were. So that's one coping strategy that you can employ a second is to try to set the problematic behavior that you've seen in some sort of comparative context minimizes and the president has done this to. He's pointed to portland as you mentioned. He said maybe what the right did was bad with the left. It was worse that that's the second coping strategy that you'll see folks employ and the third is to flip the spectrum of administration around and this you've seen a lot of congressional republicans do in the last forty eight hours when they are finally facing some of the consequences for their disgraceful behaviour. They frame that facing of consequences as victimisation suggest that the mob is coming for them and it will come for their supporters and they encouraged their supporters to think of themselves as the victims. We know that white evangelical christians tell pollsters that the group in america. The face is the greatest degree of discrimination is not hispanic americans not african americans. It is evangelical locals. it is tempting in our contemporary age. Forever group to think of itself as as the ultimate victims and given that many trump supporters are primed to think of themselves in those terms anyway. many are quickly reinterpreting. The events of last wednesday as somehow being about their own victimization rather than their own culpability and yet has now we heard that seep to power all over the country are being threatened leading up to the argumentation of joe biden. Fifteen thousand national guard members are going to be assigned to the district of columbia alone. Is that going to be an f. Nick god i hope so in fact. I hope that it's entirely unnecessary. I hope that we do not see american spilling the blood of other americans again as we did last wednesday when we face a fairly horrifying moment and i want to pin responsibility for this exactly where it belongs if it were the case then election were being stolen if there was a dark conspiracy involving pedophilia or secret violence To subvert the government of the united states you would expect patriots to do something about it and so in some sense although certainly anyone who has bought into the various conspiracy theories that are circulating Anyone who does that is accountable for their own. Actions the political leaders who have lied to their constituents who have bolstered the belief that this election was stolen. Who have refused to tell the truth. At their fee lies the pledge of wednesday and any potential budget on inauguration day it is the most basic responsibility of any elected official to tell their constituents the truth and we have a shockingly large number of members of congress who instead are lying to their constituents they are encouraging them to believe that a terrible conspiracy is taking away their own political power that their futures are on the line. They have spent years hyping. The notion that losing an election is an existential threat. That cannot be tolerated that the consequences are too horrific to contemplate when you tell your constituents that and then when you lied to them about what has happened. It is almost inevitable that violence will result. And i pray to god that more violence won't result But i think that until those politicians start telling their constituents the truth we have to brace friend. But as trump selling power declines what happens to those members who continue to lie to their constituents. I wish i could tell you that. That course of action will not be rewarded. I wish i could sit here today. And tell you with confidence that these people will be shunned that their constituents will hold them accountable that they will lose their elections and struggle to find employment. I don't think that's what will happen. The president remains tremendously popular in are highly polarized country within the districts from which these congressmen and senators l. They are doing what they're doing 'em heart because if you're the president's continuing hold over those voters and in part because the deeper malaise into which the president has tapped and the flames that he has found will rage on after he was gone from the political scene and they understand that and so there is a craven cowardly narrow pursuit of self interest in some of this lying and i think that it is quite likely That they will persist in these lies of for some time so long as it is to their political advantage to do so. I just wish that they would recommend the consequences. I wish that now that the violence has arrived on their own doorstep now that it is hitting their own colleagues some of them will pull back from the abyss and question have done. I want to go back to the language. Had the impeachment itself. Is it true that last minute changes were made late sunday to include a reference to the fourteenth amendment. The post civil war era addition to the constitution that prohibits anyone who engage in insurrection or the against the united states from holding future office so the several draft articles of impeachment. That circulated on the hill. the that the caucus seems to have settled on does reference the fourteenth amendment Which some of the earlier drafts did not. But it's a little bit cute about how it gets there. It cites the fourteenth amendment prohibiting. Any person who has quote engaged in his reaction rebellion against the united states from holding any office under the united states. It does not however say that. Donald trump engaged insurrection. It does not suggest that the fourteenth amendment bars him from holding office so it it cites it more. In terms of general principle that can be applied to the president's conduct the specific allegation that he needs to be removed from office because he has triggered the fourteenth amendment. I think it's a really interesting Legal claim that there are ways in which the reconstruction era amendments which we made american democracy. Really we live with the constitution. That's not two hundred years old at one hundred fifty years old to the reconstruction amendments turned american democracy into the birthright of every american into the foundation of multiracial democracy. And they they really almost immediately were pared back by the supreme court. Their original meeting was gutted in a Did much more to expand the rights of corporations In in the late nineteenth century than they did to secure the rights of ordinary americans as the dark night of jim crow descended across the south the original meaning of the fourteenth amendment probably does apply exactly what donald trump was trying to do here. Not just because of the racial valence of that mom but also because he was attempting to use violence in order to subvert. The duly elected government of the united states on the other hand supreme court has turned. Its back on those meanings for one hundred and fifty years. And it's a little hard for me to imagine the supreme court now applying the fourteenth amendment. But it is significant that. It's there in the article. It is a way of congress saying look these are american values that we have ratified before that we have enforced before And we ought to be enforcing today. Of course the american people were also watching the president and his family watching his son's girlfriend dancing as she saw was happening. Cheering going up. I mean how much farther do you have to go to prove that the president was not only in support of but condoning what was happening on capitol hill. There's a parallel here to the ukraine case in. The president's defenders are not actually defending his conduct in widely circulated video taken inside the tents Just before trump takes the stage of the rally as his son in supporters. Earn a jubilant mood just before fumble go out there and call on that crowd to go up to capitol. you can see that there. Is heedless disregard. The potential consequences we have reporting from the washington post and other outlets as this unfolded president. Trump is. I'm unwilling to intervene. He was unwilling to call on that crowd to be peaceful. A longtime supporters of the president. Were on the phone literally begging him to do something. They are now rushing to leak their accounts to the press so they're held responsible for what unfolded but i think we can credit some of those accounts. They seem to be saying that the president was mostly alarmed that these rioters might interfere with the stonewalling. That is orders on on the hill. Were already engaged in and that he was delighted to buy their expression of support delighted by the cast that he had caused. There's very little question that he could have done more to suppress this even if he hadn't anticipated And that he chose not to do so for. This is the violence. I can't think of a more direct sterilization of responsibility This man who was sworn to uphold and faithfully discharge the constitution and the laws of the united states. There's nobody on capitol hill. Who is making the argument that he fulfilled that responsibility. The most you'll get is people saying it'll be divisive to pursue this. This isn't the proper remedy for this moment of but just as in ukraine in the initial phase of these very few of the president's supporters are willing to look at what he did and actually defended merits that matters and we just days left in office. Couldn't many legitimately are you gonna be gone. That's just move on. Let's get joe biden into office and put trump behind us. What's wrong with that argument well. It's a compelling argument in many ways is of a piece with the way that democrats have approached his presence even the beginning. They have always hoped that something would arrive to deliver them. From the cursor fouled trump perhaps v robert muller's investigation Maybe it would be a criminal probe in in in new york city or something that they could get a hold of his tax returns. Now they've always look for the thing that would relieve them of their responsibility for acting and now they have it right in days. We'll be on anyway. But i think you have to step back and consider the pattern of behavior that the president is exhibited over the last three months having lost a free and democratic election He refused to concede he did his best to cast out on the results. He called and pressured. Executive extreme pressure on state election officials in order to falsify returns exposing them and their families to the of his supporters and then when he was unable to pressure legislative leaders to intervene unable to get the judges that he had appointed to throw out the results of a fair election unable to get the state elections officials to act. He summoned violence quarters to washington. Encourage them to walk on capitol hill and give congress a piece of their mind if the president is allowed to leave on january twentieth with no consequence for that pattern of behavior. It has an invitation to any future hesitant to act in precisely this way. And i don't know how you avoid this will by simply pretending didn't happen. I don't know how you stave off her current stopping what about the opposing argument that impeaching him or removing him will simply incite more people to riot violent reminded of the bully who looks down at you scornfully and says it just wants to make me hit you again. The the riott has told us that this is not a theoretical right that there is violence being used in order to ship the decisions. Legislators they are telling reporters that their votes are being shaped by the fear of what will happen to themselves and their families act in their districts. We are at the point with areas an existential trapping host american democracy. Lawmakers are casting their ballots in fear of the islands if they acted as they knew the right thing to do would be. I don't think you can walk away from that. I wish that this was not into this process. I don't think of each contributed Process i would urge every house republican every senate republican to heal this nation and bring us back and unity five fulfilling their constitutional duty. It is the refusal of republicans to hold. President who is directly attacked. The congress to account that is divided nation. It is not the efforts of democrats to do the same. That is a quick break when we come back more of my conversation with yoni appelbaum senior editor at the atlantic. Hi cogil nnamdi here. I hope you're enjoying on my mind. And i also hope you're checking out the cogil numb de show. We connect the dots between events happening in washington. Maryland and virginia through conversations with politicians artists chefs. The list goes on. You can listen to our podcast on demand by subscribing on your favorite podcast app. So you never miss an episode. Here is a registered my conversation with yoni apple down senior editor at the atlantic. When you think could happen on inauguration day. What's your worst fear. My worst fear is that he's not a recurrence of what took place last wednesday. Which was a confluence of factors that led to an unanticipated riot. But rather that some of the president's most hardcore supporters conspiratorial militias. Choose to act in an overly violent fashion because they fear what will happen. Should the duly elected president illogic office. That's my worst. Fear that they feel empowered and emboldened by what happened on wednesday. They crossed the rubicon. Violence was openly employed overturning election. Dozens and dozens of republicans in congress voted to overturn election. And there were no consequences the presence to hold office. I'm very few people today have been arrested in. Most of the charges are filed against them are minimal most of those rioters. Even after police had established a perimeter around the capital were encouraged to allowed simply walk away and given. that's the case. I deeply fear that many people who are predisposed to militancy and violence will conclude that they can act with impunity. And unless we impose consequences that is my worst fear for for the weekend around election. To the starting on the seventeenth you'll see people push this further And and try to exploit the the perception of immunity to act in a way that the causes american show of other americans and the chorus on inauguration day at least before president elect biden is warren in president. Trump says he will not even be at. The inauguration should violence break out. Whose responsibility will it be to call out even more national guard. So the inauguration has now been designated a national security event this secret service is the lead agency in coordinating response and it actually has the authority to direct the department not to to direct at the department of defence a pullout more guard troops or other forces in supportive of the government states. We are fortunate that In the main government agencies career civil servants since former military officers have behaved tremendously responsibly. Over the last four years it's a little horrifying to think about a government that relies on that in order to adhere to the rule of law. But in this moment. I think americans can take comfort than what we're talking about is Sworn train career professionals. Who are deeply devoted to the rule of law and the cost of constitutional government who will be charged with protecting not just president biden vice president-elect harris but all of the leaders of bamut who gathered in the ordinary citizens. I think the one thing that has been somewhat overshadowed this that the life that was lost on capitol hill was a capital police officer supporter. President trump should up and did his job did is duty in for it with his life. The many people who work on capitol hill are just ordinary washingtonians. The that there are cafeteria workers janitors and a host of of just ordinary folks who go up there serve with tremendous pride are are proud to be up there on capitol hill proud to play a role and american government. That's who is subjected to violence on wednesday is not just about the lawmakers. It's about everybody who lives in this city. How can turn are you about the president. Last eight days in office as to what he might do to something to hell create havoc in the land. I'm extremely concerned inserted at two different in country levels. I'm worried about what president trump may do. We have seen that That he is heedless of of the consequences of his act and that often the worst things that he does. are delivered in the language that a mafia boss with us he indicates his supporters. He indicates to his aides general direction. in in ways that that don't offer them a specific set of instructions that don't constitute an order but often he does is most repugnant. Things by signaling. The way he wants things to work out right now he continues to signal that he would like to find a way to stay in power and people are listening to that. And that's tremendously worrying the other. I worry about frankly is worry about the future. Constitutional government in which people can simply ignored president of the united states. We have increasing indications. That was actually happening. Within these at the moment and that shift is being encouraged by leaders like nancy pelosi who reached out after the chairman of the chiefs of staff. America's highest ranking military officer incursion to effectively remove president trump from the nuclear chain of command. These things may be necessary to get us through the next eight days but but they are not healthy. Their result of an impossible choice of president trump is forced upon us. Constitutional officers can either listen to the duly elected president and and by listening to him a betrayed their responsibilities or they ignore the duly elected president and by ignoring him betray the roads. That's a that's a terrible choice. The president trump is forced on us. And whatever happens in the next days fear that we will be dealing with the consequences of this decision for a long time. Are you suggesting that. Nancy pelosi should not have made the request to the joint chiefs of staff to ignore an order by president trump during the last eight days to for example god forbid launch a nuclear missile attack. Another country while he has the power we know the discussions like that took place in nixon's last as we know it now they were conducted very quietly for a variety of reasons including to safeguard the security of the united states and knock comfort to our enemies and his as we're tremendously concerned about nixon's and stability descended into drink in this last is Whatever whether or not you think that that discussion is appropriate to have. I don't see what purpose served by making public but putting it out in a press. Release by briefing. Her members on it there are sometimes very difficult conversations. That need to take place if this needed to happen at all is certainly didn't need to be broadcast in the way that it was and i'm concerned about the lasting damage to civil military relations that that entails It probably is the first time that recall a congressional leader of calling on a leader of th- of the us military taking more the president if you're going to be the last and and when you do these things publicly that there are long term consequences. I certainly understand why she. But i worry about their health officials saying she done so privately and kept private. It would have been more acceptable. I think if she had done so she felt that this was a conversation that she needed to have had done. so privately. i think it would have limited the damage the act in general. I don't think congressional leaders should be trying to think of what the military command. There is a constitutional activism for dealing with the president. Like this if we're genuinely concerned that the person in the oval office may start a nuclear war. There are ways to act and the speaker has not been swift to bring articles each back to the She had that phone call before she'd even committed to doing that. It's hard for me to understand somebody who has the capacity to remove. The president from office would choose to employ end runs that way before. She's trying everything that she can. You donate what do you think he calls for. The resignation senators hallway and cruise. I think that the senate has always policed its membership and that so far. These senators are unrepentant. They have not acknowledged responsibility. they have not Atoned for what they did. It's difficult for me to understand. A how people are gonna sit in that chamber side by side with colleagues who were willing to live to their constituents extend false hope and help inside a mob that almost cost them their lives. You know for the senate to decide who should be seated there. But i would think that at the very least senators holly in crews of their their colleagues of tremendous apology for their conduct is hard for me to see how the tended to serve in the united states senate. If not willing to do that gantner early. Two thousand nineteen. You argued forcefully for trump's first impeachment. And that did come about but didn't seem to make much difference in his actions or his behavior if he is impeached. A second time. Do you believe it will make a difference. We have an unbroken streak in american history. No president who who has ever been impeached has seen his party hold onto the oval office and the next presidential election president trump extends streak Congressional democrats have been saying for years that he was unfit but had refused act on it and then they acted on their conscience and The american public that this man was not fit for office. I wish the senate had behaved responsibly. I wish that the senate had a real trial. I wish that. I heard from the relevant witnesses instead of treating it as a foregone conclusion There are many reasons to be concerned about president. Trump's fitness for office. I think that the pandemic has focused all on the tremendous risk that we run when we leave. A power cannot discharge basic responsibilities. I wonder how many americans would be alive today. Who have perished in the past year if we had a president who was capable of holding the office. And i think that this time to whatever the impact of eastman on president trump's behavior the the larger principles one worth adhering to that of congress takes us responsibility seriously if it tells the american people That somebody is not fit for office. there are benefits. There are benefits to following the rule of law. There are benefits to replying to an attempt to turn to violence to reject the rule of law by reasserting in a hopeful optimistic way are ordinary and regular constitutional processes and ultimately. That's what impeach is. It's a defiant assertion in the face of mob violence that the system can work. That can police itself that we have ways of dealing with extraordinary situations. Don't require moms storming tony. What is your. What are your best and worst thoughts about the early days of president elect biden's term in office. I'm tremendously encouraged. The new administration is putting vaccination at the top of its priority. This it's going to try to do you need to do to solve two problems to reopen arakan in alleviate the the tremendous economic suffering that's out there and also to to stem the tide of death does the right priority but joe biden faces a very difficult challenge. He ran as a restoration est candidate. You promised us return of normalcy well. Normalcy didn't work for a tremendous number of americans. It didn't work for those who face racial injustice in their daily lives. It did not work for those who faced economic displacement and lost their jobs to their industries in recent decades. It doesn't work for. Americans is a yawning hasim of of economic inequality that has only accelerated. It won't be enough to go back to where we were before trump and so i think that there's a challenge for this administration. Survive partisan challenge congress as well. How do we graft to society. Let's every american live up to their potential. A lot of potential answers out there. The only thing that i know for sure. Is that returning to what we did. Prior to donald trump is not enough. And so i think that the challenge that on visit is is he capable of summoning the wills act of getting things through congress of taking executive actions on his own they can help restore the promise of america That is the antidote. What we saw on wednesday in a country where people feel the in a country where they see themselves and their children is having a better future. They enjoy at present Than than that. Expanding pie allows us to generous slices for every american if they think. That pie is shrinking. They start fighting over over the stops that remain in. So that's that's back. Challenge is how does make the yoni. Thank you so much for being with thank you. That was owning apple Senior editor at the atlantic ocean perceives. The ideas section. And that's all for today. Thanks to those of you who written and to let us know what's on your mind you can find us on facebook and twitter sent an email d. our podcast at w. amu dot org. Our theme music is composed by jim. Bradberry again bent lands. Wunderle show is produced by rebecca kaufman. And alison brody. Our engineer is my kid. Thanks for listing. All please stay safe be. Well i'm diane.

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AJ DUNK Cant Make This Up

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Two thousand twenty one they get identified and arrested using social media photos and dna samples left on cigarette butts visit not the revolution you thought it would be but just another poco q. Patriots where we go one. We go all to jail for ironically committing treason. Hi i'm joanna. Van fine actor comedian podcasts. Or and filmmaker and you can join me on patriotic at patriotair dot com slash joanna. Dt yes i will get into that later and you can also send a tip on ben nimmo at j o pin cushion follow me on twitter instagram and twitch at j o pin cushion and in twenty twenty one. I'm going to ask a different question every episode and you can call and share your answers with us at nine two zero four seven four six seven six three and This week question. What was going through the minds of the trump supporters that stormed capitol hill. Give me a call nine. Two zero four seven four six seven six three. Let me know what you think. And find your next favorite podcast on the apocalypse podcast network. Go to a pocket lips. Podcast network dot com sign up for our email lists get the latest episodes directly to your inbox and that link is in our show notes. We also have a discord and join that server by clicking the link in our show notes as well and the network has a twitch channel makes you follow it at apocalypse podcast network on which we're working on shows that will air throughout the week. Were working on some game shows. Some talk shows some shoes you can call in so it'd be a lot of fun and if you enjoy the podcast that are on the network. Then you're definitely going to enjoy the twitch channel and yes. I launched a patriotic. I finally did it. I was hinting at it. This whole time But it is very inappropriate for me to hawk my patriot fan in the midst of a democratic apocalypse hole on january six. The capitol building was stormed by trump protesters to stop the certification of a joe biden. As our next president trump had a rally beforehand he riled them up and hoped for coup. And i guess overestimated the abilities of his diehard fans. Look i've been told all week that this is yet another historic event that we are witnessing in real time and i hate to report that i feel nothing. Yes i'm upset. Yes i'm said. I've been said i was said when i watched my favorite cities tear themselves apart over the summer and i was sad when i watched people shoot up our nation's capital. It said the thing is. I'm not shocked anymore. And that feels like the real danger to me To be living with constant historical events that are just desensitizing. May and we already know that. The police treated these protesters differently than the black lives matter. Protesters and the news is starting to identify the idiots that lewd capital And they are getting arrested but they're getting arrested nicely at their homes on their front porches. When really these people should be pulled off the streets by unmarked vehicles. We wanted to make it even some white people like to argue that. Racism isn't a thing and it's only fueled by the mainstream media but this past week has yet again shown us another piece of evidence that racism is very real. And it's always been here. I am a little relieved to hear people like mike pence and lindsey graham. Talk some god damn sense for once. The election is over. Donald trump lost go home. And you know what we know. It's not over. Everyone can still feel something in the air and it looks like twenty twenty one Might not be our year just yet and Anyway this episode. I am happy to showcase another black voice who has been creating this entire time while in lockdown and you need to check out his show. Aj dunk is the host of. I can't make this up. He's been hosting this live show for the past. Five years yeltsin has a podcast any Puts it on the lip verse. And he actually Began his comedy passions at the helium comedy club in philadelphia and that city of course has a special place in my heart. He is the producer and creator of this hilarious. Podcast were real. People share real stories about their life. And i recorded this conversation right before the holiday. And i'm glad that i'm able to play it for you now this week. Aj is a really positive person and his personal motto is. Laughter is always in style and during this difficult week. I'm happy to be able to introduce you to aj. And let's take some time. To welcome a little positivity into our lives and get to know aj dunk all caps. So have you been doing during this whole crazy. Twenty twenty se like the first week after like quarantine was like a little. I was like you know we curse. Y'all avalon curse here fucking lutely just checking stuck in so like after the after the first week when it was lockdown. Everybody locked down. I was like. I still have to be creative and still have to make my show. Yes oh i went from live to instagram. Live and i just converted to make it fit that platform and i was doing it four days a week. Different guests each day. And i do for about like maybe two months in then i was like all right. I have to edit these episodes. So i have to dial back a little bit from doing so four days a week. I have a hard time putting out one episode. Week podcasters everywhere. I've listened to that and they're like. Oh my god. All on instagram. live and instagram. Live is tough to do if you don't have a really good phone. Yeah i'll do epic. There was times where i did episodes where guests was walking around different places in their house just to try and do service. They were logging out. Logging back in there like i'm in the shower. They were commenting was just like. I think everybody tried instagram. Live format because i know miley cyrus. Did something like that for a few weeks and then i think she was like this is too much. I'm done knows like i feel you. I wish i could just release an album and be okay miley cyrus. She's got she's definitely got the ability to get people to help and she is complaining about it. Yeah and it's like lee podcast into the podcasters by you. Still be you still be you. We'll do our thing. You'll be a wrecking ball somewhere else. Yeah that's great. Though that you feel like i have dealt with this stress the same way you just hit the ground running you. Just keep gotta work through it. We got to keep going because as an independent artists. No one's going to give you opportunity but you especially right now or did you feel like you just. You had to start creating something just to i mean. Was it more out of necessity to stay on. Everyone's minds or more of an emotional. I need to make stuff for. I will go. Insane are started the show five years ago. I was putting out an episode a week. And just the way that it's built up since then because the last thing that i the last show that i had live was during the new york comedy festival so into that and i put it on and it was like a tight our like i had it worse. Like people aren't even picking up their phones. They were just from the time you walk into the time you leave is entertainment. Now's like i'm not stopping this. The world changed. I have to keep those going like was doing before. So i'll just adjusted. Yeah and your show is. I can't make this up which is a A great concept for a show and a podcast because it's stories and stories those stories that you tell people were like no way no way this happened. What gave you right to start something like this way. It stemmed was. I like meeting new people. And it's like you always have a first impression in most of the time you might even a judge but that's normal was like make sure that you've been get the backstory to back that up because i might think something that could be completely off and i was like allied people. Everybody has a story so let me get the background. Let me get the meet. See what they're about and then provide the story the true story that's insane to share. Its story telling people may not realize it but it's a great way to connect with people. It's a great way to start a relationship. And i mean what are some of the. Can you think off the top of your head. Some of the craziest stories that you heard. Yeah so there was one where somebody said they went to go visit a friend in atlanta and they just had a baby and they were like all right. We're going to go out and like any pull up to the club and like a mom gone and it happened to be magic city. Which is like we're all strippers and everything. And they pulled up there in the van and they pay fifty dollars to get into the club and they were like all right. Well we'll be here for a little bit here for a second. The next thing you know future in drake come in in like they didn't let anybody leave in a debuted like massgov or whatever song that they have to gather just to see how people react to it. And then when i was done they left and then they were like art. While are mice worth day left after that. That's definitely worth fifty dollars not not strippers the the being test audience for drake. Wow that is a stores just like. Hey haven't right. So when they tell the stories like that and like i come back by asking questions to verify that israel. I'm like all right. So let's see if this matches up in that matches up. It's so funny so you kind of pry into their memory a little bit. I'm sure people remember things you find that anyone remembers things like more than they actually happened. Because sometimes your memory does make up stuff sometimes. So i'm just like okay as long as in the ballpark. You're not like ridiculously lying. Like all right it was. It was four if they're saying like to party with five hundred people but there was two fifty. I still get it. It's still like. I is a lot people you gotta pick. I mean we live in a post truth era. We have to really make sure people are lying so you started doing instagram. Live and then you're actually working with the lit verse on twitch. I did catch a few of your episodes on that Is how did you start connecting with well and doing the lip verse We have some history. We both studied performed. Uc be and that's met him into it was just we've been doing different projects and different things and then he came up with this idea. He reached out to me. Wants to know. If i wanted to be a part. And i was like all right cool. Let's do know. I mean i'm doing. The same show won't try another platform. Yeah i i always tell people that i feel like twitches cable access television and you can do whatever you want with it. And that's where i In college i had a cable access tv. Show i kind of had a cable access show. And when i was in philadelphia so that's kind of where i started. That's why twitches like so interesting to me. And it's a lotta. Are you finding like having a lot of fun. Doing the show live on twitch and it's on facebook and youtube to stream it on twitch youtube and facebook at the same time so like. Masha was always been where i take. Crowd involvement is like all right. Do you have a comment comment. And when did it live in venues wants. The people told the story. I was like all right. If you have a question raise your hand. And i was on people's which you wanna know where you want to know because i'm not gonna know all you open it up to anybody picking apart the story. Oh for sure. I make sure my guess knowing your story. Better be real. Cause i'm coming after you The crowd is coming after you. Everybody's coming out. And i know that i'm not gonna let wild wild questions. He acts like if somebody says something really wild like art. We're not going with that next. How do you feel looking down. Twenty twenty one do you think. Are you feeling more optimistic about things. I'm i'm an optimistic person. Whatever it may be like. I wear cannot find the positive in this so yeah i was like. I don't even need to jump to twenty twenty one. I'm looking at tomorrow like tomorrow's gonna be a new day. I'm not gonna wait to twenty one for like a new year's resolution. I'm looking for that. Like all right this today. Make tomorrow better. And that's a great point. And i see a lot of people say don't blame the year. Twenty twenty four things. That have happened to you and people like you and me. We're just we're still working. We're still progressing towards our career. Were not letting this year. Stop us not at all so we talk about the apocalypse on this show. Do you feel like we are in the midst of one or just getting over one. What's your what's your take on it. I would say like always in one. That's yeah i'm going to agree. Always is always some shit all the time t shirts. You should put that on a tee shirt. it's always some shit down it's always shit and zoom conference. He has a t shirt behind him. Saying laughter is in style which is very great but yeah it's always some shit would also make a really good shirt. I'd wear that shirt you're right. There's always something for or whether it be through the year or the generation something to focus on and worry about. What do you think is the main concern for us now. We have a lot of issues. I think our main concern. I would say is our future how we want the generations to come to live like what is it like. What kind of life style do you want for the this year alone. We had a disease that everybody was affected. It doesn't matter what your background is. It doesn't matter if you have a disability doesn't matter if you are the man of the year it can affect you. So i think that since that happened then the george floyd incident was so much bigger because everybody was sitting at home. And it's just like this is what you have to see in. It's not something that's like just happened this year. It's been happening so it's like we have to decide how we want to move forward from the things that just happened this year alone. Yeah and these are issues like you said we've always been faced with i mean with the pandemic it's just questioning our healthcare system and the structure of who has money and who's in poverty whose able to take care of their health. What messages they receive about their health. And then with george floyd you know twenty sixteen. The black lives matter movement started. It didn't go away It's always been something that's there. So i think twenty twenty s definitely put a magnifying glass. And it is. It's like we're looking at a decision of what are we going to do. That's what apocalypse is an apocalypse is the end of one thing in the beginning of something else. I mean we definitely need to look at those issues more and try to find some some answers and that's not easy. It's not just going to take electing someone other than donald trump to do those things or sure for sure. It's the little things that we have to do from now until two thousand twenty four is like stay on top. Not just in part one is a big election. Yeah and i hear a lot of people saying that it makes me feel really good because Some some of us have checked out after Obama got his second term. And i was like all right. We did it. We won but the no he did not win. So are you more optimistic about this puck ellipse or always the apocalypse just i got i gotta be. I feel like it's too easy to be pessimistic. Like unlike our's that's very easy to do but something into spin it to be like all right. Let's do this then. That's that's my challenge in general with being optimistic even really good work ethic i take the lazy way out sometimes and i can slip and you're right it is he's gonna be like oh fuck this. I'm in groundhog day every day. And it's a lot. It's a lot harder to it is. it's like a it's like a physical exercise to take those thoughts and change them into something positive for a lot of people. It's very difficult. That's a very good point. So i have. I have a fun question. So your show is basically people telling unbelievable stories if you go into a time machine and go back to like twenty fifteen and tell yourself a story about twenty twenty like i. Don't think twenty fifteen year old twenty fifteen may would believe the shit that happened in twenty twenty like how. How do you think that story would go out First of all sit down in a comfortable seat. Make sure that you are listening. Can do whatever it is. You have to do to be your attention if you need to put some lo fi on in the background so you can stay focused on me. The head do what you've made to do but just going to be. Some shit consumed be a lot a lot a lot of shit. And i'm gonna tell you right now. Just make sure that you don't have a house. Make sure you have a home because you won't be at your home a lot. Make sure you fill it with things. Data going to be useful for you to be productive as she is coming. Had the number one just like have a studio ready to go. Make sure you stay active inside. Feel like if i wanted to twenty and fifteen. I definitely would tell myself. Sit down i and be comfortable. Cause the shock of a donald trump president number all donald trump donald trump is. The president probably burst into tears. Donald trump is a president. Does get better though. But there's also An airborne disease. Like how i'd be like No the thing. I'll wait and tell myself all the fine details. Because i know that then i'll be asking a lot of questions because the because that i'm just like all right. We'll just let me prepare. I'm like all right laws. Follow your advice on that in everything else that comes out. I'll just take goes into two peoples different theories on time travel which i always love talking about time travel so is very smart. That you wouldn't give away big plot points because then it could change the time line. Will it could change the timeline. This just not a time travel. But i don't think i would. I think. I don't think i would Believe in two thousand fifteen. Donald trump wasn't even running or anything. I'd be like no fucking way no fucking way. There's no way that reality star is the president right but it happened. We did that. I'm so thankful that we can laugh about it now because if it turned out the other way we be crying more. Yeah i mean joe. Biden isn't perfect. But joe biden is a little bit back to what twenty fifteen felt like for me. I think but it's very important to Speaking of time travel to not wipe away years. That are difficult is to learn from the difficult years. Yes yes yes i mean. Besides the lessons that we've learned in lockdown. Are there any other lessons. That you've learned over the past four years that will help you in the next careers. Do you think tropic of something. Specific that i've learned because i've kind of been in my ways for the way that i act in treat people. I've i've been like this for a while now and it's like i always check up on people it's like. Hey i'm just reaching out. I'm not because i need something just to see how you doing. So like when when the pin like when his happened this year. It wasn't a shock to people that alice's reach out in how they were doing That's that's something that other people need to do moving forward. I feel like that's a big thing like i always. I'm a neighbor across history. That gives me the most energetic wave. Every time i see him like he's like he has the answer colony colony highways to me all the time and it's just like like little things like that. Just pick people up. So you're absolutely right especially now a lot of and i've read a lot of articles about friendships that are deteriorating because people aren't reaching out as much as they should and with technology it just becomes so easy as connected as we are. I become so easy just to not answer a text message or not. Pick up the phone. I missed calling people. And if i were to try to call anyone under the age of twenty they would probably think someone was dead or something like a under the age of thirty. They'd be worried. If i give them a phone call but i miss the days of of just talking for hours. It's weird i feel more intimate hearing someone's voice and talking to them then over zoom are you try doing a lotta zoom check ins or call or phone calls or tax. It depends on the person. Because yes i know the kissed thoughtful. My god you caters choice. Your choice of communication. That's so sweet. Because i'm like if if if i like. I met a friend when i met him. I was like. Hey what's your as form of contact. If i needed to reach even call me. I was like all right cool. So i know that if i take some been. He knows that i know that the response. I can't expect the response soon. I don't have to expect the response. Because that's not what he said. So if i email him whatever but if i call them like all right pickup so him. There's other people that i text. There's certain people that. I snapped certain people that i use instagram for certain people eating no Facetime watt call. So it's like this are like all right. What is your best way holiday gift. Wow that's so thoughtful. It just sounds like homework. Nobody sure some people do talks on instagram. And some you know. I call but you're also you're giving a lot of really valuable tips on a building relationships and friendships. It is work. I think it's very hard to make friends as an adult mary. Hard you bring song. Yeah for me definitely is. It's a lot harder than i don't know it was hard when i was at school to maybe I mean as long as i notice. Aj i just try to be true. It's like all right. I'm accept the person for who they are but if they come all fake than. I don't really have that much time for it. Because i don't want to deal with that but if i could be of i could be a friend of somebody that supports something that i'm not necessarily a fan as long as they're true and they're respectful if there is the main things the number one and in truth is number two. Because we'd have a conversation about yeah and authenticity is very important With a lot of people don't know what's real and what's fake anymore with stuff on the internet and you do is on instagram. Umeda shirt of your authentic self involving the authentic self. What was the shirt. You got to be authentic. Exactly you got to my cousin. And i came up with rules. We were like rules to live by. So you made a list. And i made that shirt for his birthday form. Let's say your thoughtful. Oh my gosh. I love it so do you have any like some people. Sometimes i do struggle with authenticity. Because you know we have these apps with face filters and we have to give little sound ourselves where some things that you do to try to center yourself and like make sure and check in that you're being authentic leadership feel like you like no matter what people say those issues i feel like is this on brand for me. 'cause like i it my trying to do this because somebody else did it or is it like this is the fad right now or like okay. Why am i really doing. This is is this me like. Do you feel confident when you preston this really. That's a really good thing to point out because a lot of i teach middle school students sometimes. And i find that they like to Duplicate the the Plots to things that they watch or they want to do things that a lot of youtubers are influencers. See because they see that that mimicking make things go viral and that is successful to them but being authentic and like creating stuff based on how you there's only one you correct so if you can make things that come directly from your soul and your authenticity then hopefully that leads to success. That's what i tell myself every morning right and also who's to say that you're not gonna be clones of what you're doing if you're authentic people might be like you know what i like doing. That's why time is tied this way now. Because i used to tie short and somebody can to meet talking about all. You must know me. I used to do that. I've never heard of this person in my fucking life. And i'm just like well. You know what this will be the last time. I saw like this. Because i don't want to run an ad again so now yeah material. I got my shoe and keep it moving and it looks great. I love it. Thank you thank you so Where can people actually find the show. through podcast end streaming. Both ways that we can find your show. So the easiest way is to go to aj dunk dot com. And then from there. I have links like marxists book my instagram on twitter. But i put up all my episodes under the entertainment tab of. I can't make this up right. there is over. What two hundred inch one eight episodes think we find it there but then it's also on i tunes it's on spotify. Spotify gets on its on all the networks. Have you just type in. Icm emt you episode and a number one through two hundred and let's say twenty five. That's amazing one will pop up. Congratulations that's a lot of episodes. It's really hard to shovel al all of those episodes podcast or to another. And there's only more to come right and we will absolutely have links to these shows and episodes on joint anti dot com. You can also find the verse on twitch dot tv at delivers. I keep forgetting all and wit wells like it has a the one the only laborers. Do you have any other words of wisdom that you can leave us with. I mean i. Just i love anything that you have on a shirt really. We'll probably motivate anyone listening to this show. I'd say leave the badge you could be because nobody else can be and that's how will survive this apocalypse. Exactly because we don't know we might need somebody to make us laugh. We might somebody to fix the car. You might need somebody to go shopping. You might need somebody to trim the trees so be the best you that you could be because you couldn't be a factor someway somehow. Hey thank you so much. Aj you'll definitely have you on again. stay safe and stay positive. You're also new too. 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Talisker Whisky Atlantic Challenge//Team Latitude 35 Wrap Up Show

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Talisker Whisky Atlantic Challenge//Team Latitude 35 Wrap Up Show

"Hey everybody welcome back to the move. Podcast i'm lance armstrong joined by four crazy mo- foes who just finished rowing across the atlantic. Before we get to that today's show brought to you like it is each and every time by or a ring getting all my data sleep data activity data recovery data sleep cycles respiratory rate heart rate variability all that stuff head on over to aura. Ring dot com. Oh are a ring dot com and get and be like everybody else. You'll get the ring companies on fire. I boys so. I mean it sounds dumb to say but like how you doing this must be you know. We all have these moments in life. You know it could be a diagnosis. It could be You know some other or could be some great where you dislike. Oh man today is different day like these days. Have to be so much different. And i don't even know where to start. I'm not even starting with dixon. Because i'm i think it's lame that you're the only one that has shaved look at these other guys. These mother fuckers look like they wrote across the atlantic. Look like you just you know Flew down from laguardia and you're hanging out sipping cocktails. I mean what's up man. You don't even look like you did anything so jimmy. Let's start with you. how how do you feel. You must feel amazing. I think a relation of arriving alive is just unbelievable that maintenance You could sit us. Will summarize came up and you could see antiga behind you like why lots credited and the welcome positive where he had boats coming out needs us and guide us in was on the outside and you just get into that. Spur of energy. The finalist soul. And i'm getting chills hearing about it now. How far. I know i've i've been on some boats ricotta go out fishing and then also you don't see land. I mean how far away from antiga like in at least guesstimate that you could see it. Is that a miles at fifty miles. When do you finally see land austin last night. We we rode through the night. And i'm you may have seen. We actually had one of our best days on the last day so we wrote ninety. One miles lost twenty four hours. We pretty fast. And the first time we think we saw antiga was was probably around two or three o'clock in the morning And i think we're about forty miles out And we could see lights in the distance. Always light pollution because it was pitch black As jimmy sat as the sun rose about twenty twenty five nautical miles from antiga and we could just see the outline and every hour we get closer and closer and you could see houses. you could see boats Yeah it was. It was a pretty pretty amazing experience seeing land for the for the first time. And for those. Y'all watching on youtube or whatever you can see so behind. Todd used i mean anti-gay a lot of these islands of the caribbean islands are really flat. The bahamian islands very flat antiques actually got some got some Some elevations down there and actually ridden a lot down there and there. There's some decent climbs but so that obviously helps you get something. That's i mean. I don't know the highest point in two years probably Six or seven hundred feet which for for for a little island is is pretty high down there so that helps thank see it The bahamas you might not see until you hit it. but And then you know just wanna cover this. Because i was so crazy the last time we talked this whole marlin episode. And i've been telling everybody this story like you're not gonna believe what happened. These guys like a fucking marlin into the boat. Who does that but then apparently it happened to somebody else. Did i hear that right. Yeah exactly it happened. To another team called generation gab. Although i don't think it was nearly severe what had happened to us. And then i think i heard yesterday that had happened to a solo Again so and for them that the the marlin bill didn't get actually lodged into the cabinet to get went in and out and they're able to fix it so i think three marlin encounters in In in one race of unheard of before this there before we had been attacked This this only happened once before. So it's it's extremely rare for something like this to happen and lands you know we still had. after the. After we had the moral and attack we still had one thousand miles. Still the road so When the cabins started showing of water and jimmy. Johns four job patching it up with a poxy resin There are definitely concerns as to whether or not it would hold because by no means. We're we Where we at the finish line. We still had a solid probably twelve or so days to go on the race. Now remind me again is sleep. Because if you in for those listening or watching go on go annuals Instagram and you can see. This is the picture i mean. It is a thousand words who remind me who was sleeping there. Bad boy Decided to stick his nose through as sauce asleep an hour in my off and then a rude awakening with this coming out three to three. Now hang on it. And i don't want to get dark here but but jimmy and we're like show us where i see the thing. Where did it get into like was it near your leg near your head knew what came through my bed. I'm through my thigh on the league. Now what happens. Let's let's talk about this. What would happen if that came through and hit you. You know if you were sleeping on your stomach and that that clock you right in the heart. What would i mean. This is a bad story. Right absolutely i think john patching out. We looked at each other. We've been in the british army. Seen a few injuries in times in afghanistan. And what have you realized that. Actually this in anywhere in heart so chest even the thi- it wouldn't have been good news because the catastrophic bleed and the size of a would have meant. It was probably game over that we didn't have to deal with that added complexity. I can't i mean you guys think about that. That's that's i mean you have all these things out there that a the we talked about at the very beginning that. That's that's that's mind boggling. To think that the luck or bad luck or the chances dude. John oh how you doing man. Don't you're sitting over there I wanna hear what's up. How you feel like the other guys. i'm just. I'm just enjoy being zeke on feb ground The the arrival was fantastic. It was so when we were just popping At you know hugging each other abjuring Lying around and Great set. I should go out onto land all struggling to walk a bit. The man kind of atlanta sickness gonna hit us but straightens As you'd expect moms you'd be proud. James drake the united states had We had some very very friends. Sports provide us with knocking on. That's a kind of unite best drink which is and And then yes Straight on just loving being enjoy land in that first night in lapsed into bed and slept about all dead had instead of that Remember when i lost did Enjoying it now you know we lost more weight and also about joe Busy refueling with united bid buga's ice cream Just trying to put a bit of weight back rolling Enjoying a bit of a gun. Free spice. Yes so much for easing back in but when you say lose weight 'cause i can see you guys i mean you're you know it's it's it's visible the weight loss. How much are we just for the listener. Give us a Actually let's go. Let's go Just down the line and tell us you know again thirty four days or whatever. It is later starting weight and finishing weight because it looks. It looks pretty extreme. I can kick it off. I weighed So i think actually you lose a little bit of weight in laga mayor when you start because you definitely not eating as much and i don't think the foods necessarily as healthy In the twelve days that you're prepping Before you push off. So i was about one hundred and eighty two pounds Kind of going into log amira right before the race. I weighed in at writer on one. Seventy seven and when we got to got to land. I now weigh about One sixty three class. Oh and my body. Fat percent Dropped to six point. Seven percent Down down from right around ten percent so and my bmi interestingly was was high enough that indicated that i'm actually not underweight Which was interesting but but anyway from Basically the day before the race to the time i left was fourteen pounds but really i i would put it more at adt. Probably seventeen or eighteen pounds From the time that. I left the us until the time that That i got back to antiga todd. How 'bout you so i was. I was two hundred twenty pounds going into the race and about thirteen and a half percent body fat. And i finished the race. A little over twenty pounds down so just under two hundred pounds Body fat was down to about nine percent so yeah joked about four percent body fat and about twenty one. Twenty two pounds of weights Yeah my fiance pretty happy. So you know. I think she wants me to stay this way. But i'm not show. Antiga life is conducive to that does not give these this not give these wives and girlfriends partners and people out there. Any ideas okay. This is not give them any ideas. They're like look at these fucking they look like they're in a boy band okay. They've been they've been with their partner forever the board with them and they and they see you you you you. The boy van here okay. And they're like why don't you go row across the atlantic lance. I want you like these guys. So ladies are guys are pro. Whoever don't get any ideas. Okay we're not doing that. These are the only. There's a select few people crazy enough to do this. John oh how about you how much you lose. Apologies is going to be asking a metric. But still i was eighty five kilos. Going in and seventy seven years coming out and my my body percentage to hit out eleven sense going in and they put machine on some of the day we arrived in came up with era of us and then land on about windfall Say my weight was a gay but on the bush of away Serve young on that. Now which is good fun you. You look like you're ready for the tour. I see look at the look at the guns on the on. The man you got you got you got that vein going there. I mean this this guy is he. You know you might have a some teams calling you. jimmy how. 'bout you what would where we at south bay and being the eldest man in the team allowed to carry a little bit more weight by the way you look like illness too. I just wanted love. You is a i was weighing in at two hundred pounds when i started and fifteen point five percent body fat and then i finished on one hundred eighty pounds on a nine point. Nine percents What he thought. So yeah. I probably wait has been made out now on the beard and the hat. Definitely that microsoft viewed. What was what was your body fat when you come prime racing. Would you down to probably really numbers as well. Yeah we were always i it. Cycling's interesting obviously want to be as light and as lean as possible. But it's it's a it's a sport with a bunch of elements to see you you. There's this fine line. I mean if i was four percent at the tour so that means you start the season at seven or eight or nine percent at the tour. I liked to be right around four percent. You don't want to be too. Let's just call it exposed because the tour is three weeks. You're you know if you start in the north of france you could still have even in early july. You could have weather not. I'm not terrible weather but you could have a day With wind and rain and fifty degrees and that's You see it all the time guys that are just to lean the can handle even just a fifty fifty degree wet day bam you if you get sick in the first week you know. It's it's tough. You can't recover from that. Sometimes so i don't know i like you know i was i was i like to start the tour at right around seventy four kilos. So what does that just About one hundred and sixty three pounds which is heavy for cycling. And there's these guys are like jockeys one hundred twenty five hundred thirty. But i could never really ever my whole career. Shed that swimmer body. That i that i got from when i was twelve or thirteen years old so now how does this be honest. Okay there had to be some moments out there where you're like. I you know what. I fucking hate. These guys like there had to be times where you're just like get me off this. There had to be some fights. Let's i don't wanna spend much time on this. But i be fighting. I'd be like i. The jimmy's jimmy's bugging me. You know dickson. Dickson's look at dixon's spoiled brat. Okay why did why are we out here. There had to be these moments right. And now i can see the the head to be moments where they're like. You know what. I don't ever need to see you again. Were there were a couple of moments. At least i think you know that you don't want to let the small things get to you and you didn't want to have a huge argument and You don't wanna make it worse. Everyone is focused on just getting to the finish so there is a bit of a balanced and i think i was more tolerant than i usually am on lands Just because i knew we needed to stay together as a team. Jimmy and i were both in the stone cabinet together and so we were responsible for all the navigation all the calms changing the the autopilot ad so whenever we had a change over we discussed the navigation. We discussed whether we should be coming up on the ground though coming down. Which should we change. The helmet should be A few times. Where you know. I think i was probably pretty short with jimmy. He was the same with me. there are times where we'd get pissed off with each other We i'd be short with jimmy or you know he'd be that like that with me and probably two hours on my shift or on the neck shifts. And then i'd be like I don't know like an apologizing husband or wife. It'd be like jimmy. I'm sorry i didn't. I didn't mean it i was just tired and jimmy would be. I'm sorry to you know it's still a few times like that but we didn't have too many big arguments I don't think general. The best the best way i can describe it as imagine going into your backyard right and taping out an area. That's twenty eight feet by about three and a half four feet wide and pick three friends and then you can't leave your backyard. You can't leave that area. That's taped out for thirty six days and in the middle of it you're dealing with extreme sleep deprivation never sleeping for more than an hour and forty five minutes. You're working out every two hours. You're dealing with extreme heat Storms dehydration hunger and everything else that mother nature can throw you. That might the unexpected. And you can't get off so so just i. If you're in that situation than inevitably i tempers will get frayed at different points but and you'll get frustrated with each other but but i think you know to walk away with us so being friends and still talking to each other and his todd said not having had any major blow ups were the deck knives used on other i think is a is a pretty big win so all in all i think worked after the best but yeah they're definitely there are definitely some tense moments since. I think we're all pretty vigils while. Jimmy were you gonna say something. I think you had some. You've got Not too bad as well because when a storm comes in and you're on the power and the big parachute you put in the to which we had to do twice for at to appeared in a four hour period. You'll buy from the cabin then. Unsubtly taught an iron Jonah dick's nothing about i have a little bit. More room is still pretty uncomfortable. You got be big little spoon. So any any grudges. You gotta you gotta buried before that stage happens. Tell you now wait so you guys. This is okay. Hang on just always is always something with y'all okay. The whole i couldn't handle the whole naked thing that were doing this as well. Well it's been great having y'all let's talk about the competitive side. You guys get finished second. How far behind. What was the team. Who won they were Yes shoulders giants exactly on shoulders of giants was how how far behind those guys where you i think. We ended up being what about eighty or so miles behind them loss. Yeah one and in the beginning what what would you. What do you estimate you lost in the beginning with snapped or and then the other. I guess if you just combined. Let's combine i'm not. I'm not a big excuse guy but i want to just break down between the that first incident which seemed like it took a lot of time the snap or Yada yada and then the marlin episode. I mean if you combine those two. How many do we you're close right. I mean you gotta be the day so that feels like those things cost you at least a day. Yes oh i would say actually probably through the first call week and a half two weeks we were. I would say ahead of on shoulders. We were kind of going back and forth. But i think at one point we had maybe ten miles on them and then we actually what caused the the real separation was they had started going more south of us so the three teams in the race class division that we were kind of arrogance really the two teams that we're primarily competing against on shoulders of giants and hp pf atlantic hcf took a slightly more northerly route. We're in the middle on shoulders of giants ended up going more south and so if you go more south typically you're hoping for stronger trade winds but it is a longer route so it's a gamble to go that far south because you really need to guarantee yourself a really hope that if you do go that extra distance and farther south that the tailwinds are going to make up for that extra distance that you're going and so what ended up happening was you were caught off guard by weather system that moved through that that was not on any sort of the weather maps that angus our weather outer had checked. So jimmy eireann on the oars and and everything was somewhat calm and then all of a sudden. We just got absolutely smacked by this massive storm. That lasted. I don't know what ten tenor so hours were. Jimmy ended up being on the wars for about six of those hours and we were just getting absolutely pummeled by waves. That were coming over to the side of the boat forty mile an hour winds. It had started getting cold. We didn't have our our Our foul weather gear on at the time Todd was in the stern cabin Do all the navigation to make sure we stayed someone. On course Johnno had been suffering at the time from from some seasickness us and was doing his best to help as well. So we're from when that happened are obviously very tough to just manage. The course that we're on our speed dropped in show on shoulders of giants have gone farther south so They missed the storm entirely. And so essentially when we came through this twenty four hour period They had slingshot themselves around us. And hp atlantic and then gained about thirty five to forty miles on us so To their credit they They i would say probably had picked a better route avoided. The weather system had more favorable tailwinds. And we're able to slingshot around us and hp f- atlantic okay. So what's the what's i mean i is. Are you happy with second place in. I'm going to ask. John jonquet this question because i have a follow up. Question about this whole seasickness. They haven't obsessed with this I is second satisfactory. Or some disappointment is is there some And i guess the ultimate question is is there some desire to come back in and and do one better. Which if y'all wanna do that. Good luck quickly. I think i decided to come back another go. I think we went into this very much focused on on winning it. So i can't speak for the others As is disappointment but we absolutely put everything we had into the into the race. They're all they're all just at the end of the day facts. That are outside of your control. And i think those are the ones that that as dixon just kind of described with the ones that potentially calls a time of a distance in a bit of speed But but we threw absolutely everything we had into the race. And there's nothing that we genuinely could not have done more. We hugely folks don't winning. We've pushed ourselves as possibly could in. Its come out of the second place and also looking at the second half of the race to come out come out with second-placed having had some of the kind of incidents we had such as kind of the path snapped all day the modern strike. It is pretty incredible so alleged paps his attention to split it. I think overall we felt we couldn't have done more. And it's just an an incredible thing to don know this. When dixon alluded to the seasickness is you know. Because i've been on just about fishing. And i've gotten started to get sick and it's one of these things were at least in my experience you just don't. I could never get better until you finally got home and got on land and i mean are we how sick i mean we constantly sick. Are we talking a little queasy. I mean what what what like. Gimme walk me through. I mean how. Miserable i guess is the easiest way to say. It was something that we will very nervous about going in we all we all three kind of the patches these these kind of medication patches you stick behind you We we we'll through those on from the start and they overall pretty effective. I was the only one who is i. I think hit In any real way and anyone who's actually kind of throwing up from time to time but it was ready. Probably then he kind of ten to fourteen days that it happened and actually the nausea wasn't too bad it was just i just it would hit Wave and then very quickly. I just kind of stick my head out will stick my head to the side and just throw up. I was fine if i was on the all. It was just kind of if i was in the cabin not lying down on something that the would hit by quickly. I think roll on. Pretty grateful for this wasn't as incapacitating. It could have been at once. Austin pause pretty well. We've has more stories about people. Just you know literally hugging about kit for days on end that nothing able to eat drink all the only atl cerebral for me. I think i got off quite lightly. there are a couple of times when you know i was during the storm. One point this came out in get was talking to jimmy in this love. Just give me one sec and then just threw up your conversation. Jimmy's look at your. Let's what we're talking about a role it was it was definitely manageable because i know what you mean big. That's for into the back online to do. So there's no there's no there's no Second attempt here did i is that i know you said that john is that the consensus amongst everybody that that one and done never say never learn. We may announced our full move retirement promotion rowing on on the finish line. There's always a price isn't the speaking of that. Is there any prize money for this. Chevy is a damn good idea. This is crazy okay. Everybody listening or watching we. We need to sign a petition. Asks these folks okay. And by the way i just looked i was just looking at the website is john was talking this this poor girl. Who's out there all alone. There are few people that are Do it alone. she's out there and she's she's Her what is her. The sweet lady's name jasmine. They are projecting. The website is projecting her finish to be marched. The twenty third okay. We're sitting here january twentieth. She is out there all alone. She has two more months of this. So that's just the projected finish. It could be longer now in further for the love of the game. No prize money okay. Everybody let's get together. Let's a little a little A change dot org petition. This is this got to be some money online. This is too extreme. Yeah we wouldn't disagree with you on. That was a million bucks to win. I wouldn't do it. There's no way to do it for free. Man lauds we had we had we had so many conversations on board but one of the ones we had was. How much would you have to be paid to get back on the boat and do this race again. Straight away and Let's say most most. The numbers are in the high hundred. Thousands or millions of dollars are thinking that was mindset. The time but never getting back on that but and lance lance the other the other two that ad is Is for for the soloists. And really i think regard what's important to notice regardless of what place you're finishing in this race. This this is just it is racist brutal and so regardless of whether or not you're finishing in second place you're finishing in last place. The fact is if you're finishing in last place that means you're out there for longer and so the suffering i think is probably that much greater and for the soloist in particular who have themselves powering. The boat They've they've had. The conditions have been incredibly challenging this year. I mean again to put it into context. The world record is twenty nine days and they had averaged hail wins of twenty seven miles an hour the entire time pushing them towards antiga. I think we had tailwinds for probably five to seven days of the entire race that never reached twenty seven miles an hour and instead we had headwinds crosswinds waves going in different directions. I mean it was dead. Calm days where it was extremely hot. We're worried about heat stroke and dehydration and just trying to move the boat through. The water was really backbreaking work. So add on top of that. We were working harder. And and obviously hungary levels increased. So i think for and for the solos if they were facing headwinds or an end couldn't make forward progress they would have to go on para anchor which we mentioned a prior podcast is a large parachute that you deploy. It fills up with water underneath the boat and essentially prevents you from moving backwards and there have been multiple times where Almost the entire fleet has had to go on pair anchor so at one point It was us in three other teams. That were far enough ahead of a weather system. Where all seventeen other teams were on par anchor. And we'd heard a stat that i think one of the soloists i think it was jasmine from what Mad who to her credit is to become the youngest woman to ever row across the atlantic ocean. she spent. I think it was five days on pair anchors so just put that into five days of just sitting on a boat not being able to do anything not being able to make forward progress and you actually lose marginal amounts of distance because you are moving backwards but it's a very very slow rate so you're watching some of the progress. You made evaporate so again. Mentally speaking i just i can't even imagine being a solo out there so again. A huge huge testament to them. They're mental resilience and fortitude to to power through something like this even if it takes up to three plus wants to do it with. I still can't figure out the the the this anchor thing i mean. I'm not very smart. I just don't understand how you put something the way down in the water and it holds you that. I think it's awesome. But i i. I don't understand how that works just for the record now Our aware when you guys are out there. I mean i've see you got the satphone and you've got all the technology to to help navigate but how how how much are like how connected argue because there's been some crazy shit that happened in the world. I don't know if you guys are even aware of this as you're out there we had these loons. Okay these these total fucking radar capital. This is i mean you know your normal people sitting at home on the corner of first and main. You're like wait a minute. Is this really happening in. It's just depressing as all hell. Are you guys aware of things like that or is it. You guys just focus. 'cause i mean by the wake you know you you could have been out there. Nine eleven could have happened for example. But are you even connected to the real world and reality in news stories. One of the bay we had to come. We will with sponsored by In massage tracking. And we have slow activity that we could have even done the zoom cool whilst mid ocean but unfortunately went on about how went down and everything we lost collectively and so that that we actually not nearly zero comes apart from the satellite phone on. I think that was a huge mental hurdle to get over because we are going to be getting whatsapp some messages of encouragement sending images back and we would have stayed updates on news them. How do you have that taken away. So eliane which is really tough but it meant. Actually we have the most amazing digital detox. Lici there was nothing coming through. We signed out. And i remember. I tried my father when it must have been a day off to the capitol hill storming he said. Just give you a little two minutes of news. What's going on. He told about brexit's in britain and then Covid what saturday and then the storm capitol hill. And i've said to. Dixon i said hey made. Have you heard what's happened in the states. And his know. I couldn't believe it nor have week when we arrived mantilla's amazing shots holding leads with forbids. And everyone's like you're a little bit late to the capitol hill. Party is already to go but it is not disconnected. Now no emails. No what stops you name. It just shocked off. Actually it was rav abuse. Maybe in hindsight it was Speaks we lead such busy lives and to have gotten this is great. So you've now given a you already gave a all the partners out there. An idea for you know for how to get there. There's significant other to lose twenty pounds and lose five percent body fat in but you've now double double down every parent out there if you haven't seen this documentary the social dilemma as a parent. It'll rock your world this this addiction to devices in electronics and all of the reflexes that it causes you've now given another now all these parents are there like i think my kids aren't as ipad or as iphone too much so now we've now started a whole new movement now all the folks are out there. The parents are like wait a minute. I think my twelve year old needs to have a little digital detox and he needs to go across the atlantic. Come on guys and again the the the you look like the boys demand or something. Now i mean this is not this is. That's not a band anymore. I shouldn't say that a lot of boys to men you would you. would you would effective one. Yeah right. I i actually that that part i would i would. Actually i think would be cool When how long have y'all gonna be down there. Todd dancer just for the record. Todd has the best backdrop. Okay this is You all look like you're living your best life right now. But todd's todd's background scenery back there. That's money right. he you put some. You put some thought into that one that lot. Yeah so my my field says you've been here since the twenty third of december. She was worried that she wouldn't get out here. so yeah. She's now with fox becoming an antique a resident and has a couple of friends with a bias. She spoke to my. I spoke to my boss at work yesterday. And the first thing he said was. You need to stay antigua as long as possible He said there's no needs come back. You can work from that work whenever you want. So yeah i think there's a few dozen jimmy and i are probably planning on staying for for a few more weeks So yeah i'm I'm fast enjoying a becoming a an antique and rice. In i think jonah johnny might be staying another week as well and we see that. I mean. Look at the backdrop. That's just that's the way say this. Then what a line. i'm afraid i'm more at. I'm with covid everything going on. I don't think i'll be there so i'm going to go a month ahead of time. I'm just wanna make sure. I just wanna make sure i get there so let me honey. I'm here don't worry. It's all good. That i got to meet her. This boyfriend which i'm more worried about. This is she's got a tan. She's looking good. I just wanna make sure. I was here now Dixon you know our buddy martin. He's i just texted him while we were talking. He's coming down. If you all are still there. He's coming down the twenty eighth he was there And then went back. He's in miami now but he's coming back to twenty eight so i wanna make sure. Let's not forget. I want to connect y'all with him. He he his places over on a little island. Just off of antigua called giambi bay But i wanna make sure y'all get over there and he is this. This guy has a spirit about him. i've never seen anybody enjoy life like him so i wanna make sure y'all get over there giambi and have a couple of cocktails and a nice meal his place. It's it's this this shit. I've never seen a place like this. So let's let's definitely hook that up. He he by the way Y'all should know he. He's been tracking the progress he sent in his british guy too. So so all you. British dudes will get along well but He's he says let's go. Let's be an antigua for the rose. You know so God unreal. I'm proud of you guys. I i didn't i didn't i didn't know what to expect. Got to be totally honest. I didn't know that. I if if you'd all get there i didn't know if if some you know obviously some crazy stuff happened crazier than i had thought but i'm this is cool. This is going. I'm glad you guys look great. And it's a fuck man i would. I don't know i wouldn't do anything for like a decade. No dog eight years ago. I wrote across the atlantic. I'm still not doing anything. So kiss my ass. That's i would literally be thinking that my business is out here lance so we're thinking that lawrence office in antiga. Because how will we get back to knock down in uk and by the way jimmy props to you for fixing your backdrop. Now you open whatever you did and and and the champagne bottle this is okay. Points real points for that you guys. You're down on the. What is it that you're on the southern point there of the island because that's where the big marina the big port is right down English hough berm famous haba inside the to his place tonight for a big dinner celebrate tree which is parents really kind me hosting I'm looking forward to that. We got a bit of the photo shoots as well later with telescope to going to see. I'm sure i'm sure. I'm sure you guys do have a photo shoot this is you. Don't need to rub in the whole the whole g. q. Thing you got going right. You're shooting your album cover. I know other way anybody can make music now. You that with all the technology now you could sing. Like you know a scooby doo and and you gotta hit with. Just go with the look. Shoot the album cover. Dixon even fixed his backdrop. Let's see what are you have back there now. Dixon thank you like that. Yeah this is a really. Maybe i need to get down there and hang with y'all lance lance. We did have. We did have a fifth spot on the boat for you so you know when when when we do this again. You're in. I feel like i've i've done my job by talking to you guys once a week. That's that feels like that. That's sort of. That's that's that's sort of my idea of the fifth man. And i do think i in. We talked about this in the beginning. You know all of us that we do. You know there's just this ethos of what we do is and it it really. Is you think of these extreme events. And most people say i would never. Who would ever do that in a lot of people say well we do. You know who wants to do that we do. You guys took it to a whole 'nother level so this this is This is the craziest thing. I've ever talked about In in in in really goes over the line for me but we all know that So let me. I'm gonna i'm gonna get with my. Maybe i need to come down there. I got i got. I got i dunno. This looks nice. I didn't any of this shit. I saw the last month but now that seeing this. I'm looking outside guys in. It's just there's white everywhere. There's and i hate by the way everybody knows. I hate snow. I'll i see outside is snow So this is your is kind of pulling at me. Lance we have. We have a lunch later tune into dinner tonight so depending on how fast you can get here open. Invite a i. It's it's it's way down there so it's not that fast but let me work on that and i'm gonna get with martin and I might make that happen so alright. Any anything to add. Let you guys go. Enjoy life on solid dried non moving land whereas i i think i think the only thing that i'd add is Importantly the race is done. it's not just a a masochistic feet of kind of self-flagellation but It is a it is a race that we do do for charity So we did. Raise money for charities Each that are near dear to us individually so We raise money for achilles international Deplores foundation the. Brian cross memorial. Trust in the not forgotten association and and as of today i think we've raised somewhere around two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in counting and so. I think we're extremely proud of the fact that we did. Raise that amount of money and friends and family and others have very generously continued to contribute well past finishing on sunday so again we we'd be happy to to share more information Our our instagram account for those who don't know is lattes. Lat thirty five atlantic challenge. Twenty twenty. please give a follow. We've been posting updates. They're not only about the race itself but about our series as well so For anyone that is interested in learning more about them. would would direct you there and feel free to message us we. We would be more than happy to all in all we there. There are so many people to thank god. The list goes on and on from From coaches to family and friends who who supported us through this bat shit crazy adventure to our sponsors to lance. Even use supporting us on this journey so You know we. We really village and epilepsy. The four of us on screen. Here there are I mean there are hundreds of other people's that fund hundreds of other people did Have have been incredibly helpful and generous and helped us not only get to the start line but helped us accomplish our goal of finishing this thing and finishing in in a in a really strong plays so everyone has has been involved. We we really can't thank you enough spend And hope to have a beer with with many of you sound so didn't break the world record for for the race or for the for the You know for the atlantic but you do have the world record for the longest instagram handle of all time. But i want i want to say it again because at this is not lost on me in and i know our listeners. It's not lost on them. Two hundred fifty grand quarter of a million bucks. That's a ton of money there you know. We sort of poked fun at no prize money but that is prize money Quarter million bucks to four grade organizations Obviously are. I'm guessing each picked your your charity of choice. But i wanna just let me try to get through his instagram handle again. So latte say it again. Somebody say it again last thirty exactly so lattes lt thirty five atlantic challenge twenty twenty. It's it's a mouthful but couldn't we have gotten something easier a but nonetheless latte thirty five. Atlantic challenge twenty twenty. Okay and and you guys and gals listening If you could just head over there a look the boys just spent thirty four days at sea or whatever month plus it at sea. Define all the odds And if it if it pulls on any heart string just head on over and support these great charities and That's the prize money right So and or or or sin sin beer sin burr. Whatever you want to send down there All all you ladies watch and you see this guy. Don't don't get any. I'd they all have significant others. Don't get any ideas with the boy band here but What a feat. What if yellow crazy. This is crazy And i'm glad to hear that you don't want to do it again because then i would think you're truly crazy but Go enjoy yourselves This has been fun to watch. I was tracking it every day. in action. I'm gonna keep tracking it. Because i'm obsessed with these people that are out there for two more months this is. That's that's that's hero so Go enjoy yourselves. This has been a blast and Hopefully i can get down there soon. We'll catch up have a cold beer and Yeah that'd be great. Yeah stay yeah these backdrops for these backdrops or just. This is a main mailing. Our boys thanks a lot. Thanks land yeah.

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January 7: A direct contrast with direct conflict

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January 7: A direct contrast with direct conflict

"In nineteen ninety five. A college student disappeared on a trip across the usa. Report him missing right away. They wouldn't take it so. His mother started investigating the case file. I started going through and saw. It wasn't interviewed. I joined this mother search for justice or you recording us. I am yeah someone knows something season six available now. This is a cbc podcast. Hello i'm carol off. I'm chris ouden. This is as it happens. The podcast addition tonight i direct contrast with direct conflict. A black activist in washington. Dc says it was hard to watch the way. Police treated the mob the capital yesterday and not be struck by how differently they treated. Black lives matter. Protesters american devolution. A dc residence has. He's just beginning to grapple with what happened in his hometown last night. A city that's hurt scared and still in shock. Faith healer tenths run off election. Reverend raphael warnock is set to become georgia's first black senator. A friend of his tells us the win renews. The hope that america's promise is not lust. You only get one shot atop doctor in quebec defends the provinces decision to postpone the second shot of the pfizer vaccine and response to criticisms that it amounts to a medical experiment done without patients consent. Auction house rock. A good sized stone from british garden was under people's feet now is going under the hammer after turned out to be an ancient roman artifacts. And don't touch that dial well foams don't have dials anymore. But the sketch went. Rcmp's annual list of the goofiest most mystified at nine one. One call suggests. Some people shouldn't touch that screen as it happens. The thursday edition radio that urges. You not to succumb to that siren song. People around the world were glued to coverage of yesterday's siege on the us capital and the total security failure in the face of it but that coverage hit harder for those who live in washington dc and it hit hardest for the city's black residents many of whom were quick to point out how differently they have been policed dc mayor. Muriel bowser was asked to address. That discrepancy at a news conference today. How upset does it make you to see the federal response on black lives matter plaza during the protests there and around juneteenth and then see yesterday the by comparison. You mentioned that earlier. How upset does it make you what i'm upset about. I'm upset about what this president has done to our city and our democracy i am i i You know prone to wild swings of emotion because we have some work to do to find out what happened to make sure it doesn't again and that's my job right now And that's the job of everybody here. I'm upset that my police officers were put in harm's way when They were just doing their jobs. Dc mayor bowser laying the blame for yesterday's storming of the us capital squarely at the feet of president. Donald trump and promising to get to the bottom of what happened but black lives matter activists. Say it's pretty clear what happened. Anthony the renzo green is a blm organizer in washington dc. That's where we reached him. They wenzel wet was going through your mind while you watching. Those rioters storm capitol hill yesterday. Well i was very baffled quite honestly 'cause i mean. We saw the difference in response That the rioters. The white supremacist receive. And just imagining if it was me or any other racial justice activists have been protesting in the streets of dc. For months we would've been shackled would have been carried away. We would have been shot. Somebody wouldn't kill and so what you saw. I mean you couldn't see on tv. We could watch what was happening inside. What did you make of the police response. Once they had breached deep premature. And we're inside the the capital. Well that's the interesting thing because many of the white supremacist that did into the capital they were streaming live so a lot of people were following as they were walking around inside and it was just baffling but unfortunately i wasn't surprised 'cause after seeing the video of them basically being led in and seeing officers take selfies with them. I was like oh these are there. People call them white supremacists. This is not just your opinion. Many of those people were identified as being members of white supremacists or neo nazi groups so they were known to police and they didn't fail to show their identities and not only were they known. This is the third time. They've came to the city since the election. So there were two prior tests run for law enforcement and people in leadership and they were basically allow to roam the streets. The attack folks spe written desecrated sick black spaces so it was insane to see that happen right after the election and then a repeat of in december. And that's why black lives matter. Dc made it all business this third time when they made it clear that they were coming back that they were going to storm the capital. We decided to put out some demands to the city to make it clear what needed to be done to prevent this threat. Not only just across the board enunciation of white supremacist. White supremacists the really challenging. I'll businesses do not serve. These people do not give these folks from reservations. Do not let them in your businesses but no mass gone while we're in the midst of the pandemic that has been so devastating for black families in the city and before we get to how the city responded and just remind people because immediately many people were tweeting. D- the comparison with what happened in the summer as there were demonstrations in washington elsewhere. But the ones in washington in particular their response police gave to black lives matter. How did they respond at that time. Well at that time it was tear gas rubber bullets Charging was shield riot gear cops on bikes were using bikes as weapons So the respond business people who are simply coming out to the streets to say the names of people who have been lost to police violence whether we're talking about folks here in washington dc. Like jeffrey price or trey joyner who was killed by. Us park police or mariam kerry who was actually killed by us capitol. Police who was only here. Visiting from connecticut made a wrong turn and was shot. Dead shot dead. These people did not receive the same treatment that we saw yesterday. in washington dc. We're a very unique. We have thirty two independent police agencies to operate alongside of the metropolitan police department. Who call dc police. There's the us capitol police us park. Police secret service par thing missing in action and we already know who park police report to their under the us department of the interior there under trump when the mayor requests permission for the national guard to go to the capital it was denied by the department of defense and eventually from what we heard tents had make the order for national guards to go to the capital. So you have so many federal resources around the capital in this city. That usually would be there to stop something like this. The so called keep people safe. They were nowhere to be found. It just feels plan to me and it feels like this was a coup and people are either scared to call it what it was on the tempe coup or they don't want to own what type of country we live in they chief of police the capitol security police said they were unprepared that they were overwhelmed. they're going to investigate. What what consequences do you think. There should be for the leadership and for those who organized the police yesterday. Well not only. Should there be consequences that go straight to the top starting with trump. You know when you see a complete failure like that we have to challenge them as a community and saying. Investigate yourself figure out why there's been work. Why the you see black and brown people more a threat than white supremacists with trump flags who are recording video saying that they're going to charge the capital and take over the government because they want to stop the still a legitimate election. All because lack votes came out and voted this past year in large numbers to re what i reclaimed our time. Trying to put forth an agenda benefits la so that we can reimagined safety for ourselves for that folks who do want to be fun to police so we don't have to waste time and tax dollars like this. We can actually build a world that keeps us safe. This isn't about trump biden. This is about black people in what we did with folks and how change power makes whiteness. Do a certain thing in america that so familiar but at the same time. You're reminded that your ancestors have prepared you for this moment the renzo. I really appreciate speaking. This has been really important to hear what you've had to say. Thank you so much. And i and i appreciate it anthony. Lorenzo green is black lives matter organizer in washington dc. That's where we reached him rahul. Do bay also lives in dc. We i spoke with mr do bay back in june at the time he was giving shelter to dozens of black lives matter protesters after they were boxed in by police on his street we reached ray who do bay again today at his home just blocks from capitol hill. They must be so many things running through your mind today. How you making sense of what happened in your city yesterday to simply answer your question. I have not been able to digest any of The atrocities that took place last night. You know literally eight blocks away from my front door. I've been having a lot of conversations with people this morning. we're all hurting or terrified Were in shock. This is by far the darkest moment of my forty five year existence. And as an american and indian american born and raised here in the united states. It's a very tragic. I'm trying to find some comfort. it's very difficult. The last time we spoke was of course in june after you had unexpectedly found yourself with more than seventy people complete strangers to you You'd given them shelter in your house as they were fleeing police down your street after they had attended a black lives matter demonstration. Are you connecting yesterday with that day. Back in june carroll one hundred percent. I can't fathom that we were able to protect seventy two souls in my house that night which is more than the police. Authorities arrested all last night during an attempted to in america and drawing that line to see that there were one hundred eighteen authorities military paramilitaries Dc police government agencies and military helicopter above my house before a single peaceful. Protesters showed up on my swan street. June first and yet they were ready for a blm movement and yet you're not ready for angry proud boys white supremacist. Maga- supporters coming to the nation's capital. And i have trouble understanding. Why and that is what happened. So shocked right now. Is that the proportional response to a peaceful movement such as blm swan street june. I was met with pure evil. And yet i watch white. Supremacist storm. our nation's capital to sit down and take pictures and to prance around. That is really really difficult for me. And for my family members and our community to swallow in such an inspirational city. I understand that yesterday you again gave shelter to some people that you had had in your house last june. Can you tell us about that. Absolutely we just said the seventy plus year at swansea you had formed a lifelong bond in constant contact with fifteen to twenty of them a few of that. The fire in their hearts wanted to go down to the capital. Yesterday i spoke to them on the phone. I had them come here. I two group up so we can talk and as we were talking and i was really pleading and my heart wanted to go down there as well by heart kept us home and before we knew it was past curfew and i wasn't allowed to let twenty something year old black youth out in our nation's capital when you have problems running around just decimating people because they're unhappy that they lost the election so we stayed this night and this morning at ten. Am walked them to their uber and got them home. I understand it this morning today. You had your own run in with police. I walked down to the end of my street. That i do every day to get coffee at my local diner and the police are there and they turn on their body cams while i'm getting coffee and i wanna know what why were there. No body cams turned on did plus authorities on swan street. June first kaziro bodycam footage seven months later. And i'm getting a cup of coffee and three officers who are sitting during global pandemic and an indoor dining dining establishment decided that they think i am a threat and say to me. I am becoming a problem and turn on their body cam. Our priorities are are completely messed up. If i am becoming a problem less than twelve hours. After citizens of america stormed our capitol building. It is just absurd to me. And i'm having very a lot of difficulty digesting this carol. I'm sorry we spoke with you in june. You said that the do you knew there was racism. Obviously and you're sitting in your country but the experience of having all those people in your house and what had happened opened your eyes to the depths of the systemic racism and it really changed you. Do you sense it. Any of your of your neighbors other people you know are are they. Altered by this are they. Do they see things with fresh eyes. Since since these experiences. I do see my neighbors. I do see dc. And i do see the majority of america starting to ask the right questions. The problem is we're coming to it late. There's a sense of urgency here and it's moments like january six in june. I ask the questions. And i'm asking my fellow citizens countrymen and humans to accelerate but the foot on the gas to ask these questions and do not let the sunshine where off of this protests of these atrocities of our anger and our hurts. You mentioned the two dates. June first when you had your eyes opened when all those dangers came to your house january sixth yesterday when you saw the reaction to the the the proud boys arriving in your city. Next date january twentieth the inauguration. What do you fear will happen in your city. Come that date my biggest fear. Is that a black male in his twenty or the most marginalized person on this planet. A black female in america gets injured. Due to someone's hey. My biggest fear is that we're not going to allow them to live to their potential january twentieth or well beyond and we have to start there who we will leave it there. And i hope that peace is restored to your city and that we see a peaceful and salvatori inauguration in january twentieth. Thank you for speaking with us. Carol thank you very much. Stay safe godspeed and thank you for doing what you do. But that was rahul do bay. We reached him at his home in washington. Dc you can find more on that story on our web. Page at cbc dot ca which quebec is going ahead with inoculating as many people as possible with a single shot of the covid nineteen vaccine despite criticism from all directions. Doctors like dory shift whom we spoke with earlier this week have said skipping the second booster shot his proven and unethical pfizer itself. The pharmaceutical giant that developed one of the covid nineteen vaccines in quebec. Said it doesn't support quebec's plan either and that its vaccine was approved at ninety five percent efficacy on the basis of patients receiving two shots not one but two guests. All sarah works for quebec's national public health institute and sits on the scientific immunization group that recommended the one dose model to the province. We reached doctor in quebec city. If pfizer says is not a good idea to delay these second booster shots of the vaccine. What makes you so sure. It's the right decision. Well i think that Pfizer position is based on the Clinical trials that they conducted which clearly showed that after two doses. You have a ninety five percent protection on the short-term Even after two doses the follow up of participants was limited. Because obviously everyone wanted to know. The vaccine was working in the there was no interest in seeing if the vaccine was working for one month three months or six months they also collected information about what was happening between the first and second of and what we see from their data. There's that's the vaccine fourteen days after The first does we have a ninety two percent protection. Okay after the second does we have ninety five percents. We're really in the same ballpark area. between one does too does well. This doesn't this doesn't fit with with pfizer saying sorry about that but pfizer spokesperson told. Cbc there are no data to demonstrate protection after the first dose is sustained after twenty. One days you say we'll after fourteen days. It's still pretty good. They're saying after twenty one days we have no data that supports this works and so they say you have to have two jobs in order to make it work. So you're saying well you know. Maybe we can do what what does that based on what is what. What is your evidence that you're basing this decision on. We don't know if if after three months for six months It will it will decrease but what we know from all of the vaccines that we have is that the immune response is meant to protect us for future aggression and the protection that We see after one does is very high and very comparable what you have with two doses but the question is how long will this protection last. And it's true that we don't have follow data showing that after one dollars Three months later we have still a very good protection. But what we know from other vaccines that when you have a after a given does that protection doesn't drop you know suddenly at three weeks so clearly we have here. We have uncertainties about the protection. That will be a induced by the first does but we have a certainty. And the and is that we have at the present time a very high incidence as Covid nineteen lots of hospitalizations and deaths. And if you are giving to doses to half the number of people who could get one dose we will have a lot of allies and then debts because we don't give the tax into a larger number of people so dr is just not inspiring confidence. I think in in public trust in this vaccine the the company that got the they were licensed to give this vaccine. The the the the trials they did were for two jobs. That was why they're licensed after the trials. You are saying now while we don't need to pay attention to what trials they did. Even those they're saying. Do not approve of this idea of just one job you say well. We need to get more people with one job in order to at least have a couple of weeks of protection. How do you know that that's going to work. And what effect. It might have later on not using your population as a guinea pig. Well i think you know one. Those are two doses. It will be the same kind of experiment that you have an experiment with through doses the same way because it's a new product but it's been doctor so there's been trials. Okay yes there. There's still some unknowns there but there have been. Trials proved based on those trials. Finds her may say well. You're you're playing with people. Well i think of this time. We are trying to save people's lives and we are seeing in their data as well as what dern are reported that after one does fourteen days after administering the i os. You have already very high protection when you say it's in their data. Are you saying that. They don't know their own data. What what they say is we. We don't have data showing how long the protection that their data demonstrates how long that protection will last after a single dose and again what was proposed by Because i can musician committee was not to get one. Does it's to postpone the second those. It's not to say that they will be a one those programs not at all. That's not the purpose we will receive here one point three million doses between now and the and the end of march. We have one point. Seven million people who are seventy years and older or a healthcare worker if we want to immunize them With to those we will have only half of it of that population that could be. What about all those people who have already had the one job based on their understanding and even the contract they have that they were to get a second one they are not only just angry. They're pursuing a lawsuit. I if they can't get the second job they think that that was the understanding and they're are now stuck with just having the the one vaccination and the booster. Yeah well i understand that you know you may say or if people may say well we had a contract but i think I think that were offered first vaccine. Because they were belonging to High priority groups and there are lots of people belonging also to all these High priority groups who also want to get vaccinated and wanted to get protected we would really prefer to have millions of doses available to vaccinate all the people rapidly. But that's not what we have to appreciate your time. Thank you my pleasure by dr. Sarah sits on the scientific immunization group with quebec's public health institute. He was in quebec city and now quote unquote. It's hard to know how you'll behave in a crisis. Would you like to imagine you'll rise to the occasion show courage and good judgment and not call nine one one to report that you can't find your awesome chill out mix. On spotify. To mark the twenty twenty rcmp in saskatchewan tweeted out a list of the top. Ten nine one one call that quote missed the mark last year one involved a moose that had been standing in the same spot for two days. The caller fell police should check it out. Another caller wanted to report. The coffee they had just purchased was cold. That's definitely an emergency but not one that would benefit from police intervention and someone did call nine one one in a panic because they couldn't find a playlist on their cellphone officers were not dispatched but sometimes one crisis begets another in a kind of domino effect in this case. The caller set up domino's knocked over the dominoes and was dominoes. 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In this first season i explore a revolutionary political movement that brought a modern democracy to the brink. You can find recall how to start a revolution on the cbc. Listen app or wherever you get your podcasts. While the world's attention was focused on the attack on the us capitol yesterday a political development with huge significance for the biden presidency. Was almost missed. Democratic candidates had won both elections in georgia and therefore control of the us senate. yesterday afternoon. johnson was declared the winner of his runoff race. An hours before that the announcement that raphael warnock a pastor at ebenezer baptist church in atlanta had won his race if confirmed the winds will split the senate fifty fifty with the vice president. Elect commonly harris being the tiebreaker francis. Johnson is an attorney pastor and friend of raphael warnock. We reached him in savannah georgia. Evan johnson what does it mean to you to see your friend. Raphael warnock as senator. Well it renews the hope that america's promises not lost these very difficult and dark days. And it's hard to see the light of america's promise especially in light of the unrest capital that this array of our national administration and even the voter suppression tactics at the state level but These moments are checkpoints to remind us that the ideal of america is as strong as those citizens who are willing to put themselves forward. Reverend raphael wore not a son of savannah from the projects To the pool pit of martin. Luther king's church now to the hall of the united states. Senate as georgia's senior. Senator is one of those moments. Georgia has Been thoroughly tested in this in these past weeks and months and then to see those two victories what does it mean do you think. To see georgia's first black. Senator go washington. What what it means is that the power of the citizen is still paramount. The most powerful is not the office of governor or secretary of state or even president. But it's the office of citizen in every election. They have an opportunity to weigh in on who will represent them and so in the face of a run off election that was designed when it was put in place to thwart the election of african americans to state wide office and federal office. That's why it was designed that way And in the face of the voter suppression tactics of the national administration including you know tinkering with the mail to the state wide pressure tactics of purging voters to Polling changes to all of the things we've dealt with citizens in the middle of pandemic rose up and with a clear voice said that they wanted to go in a different direction and put out the richest senator in the united states senate kelly laughlin and chose a preacher from savannah georgia. That's a pretty amazing story. And one that is deeply american and so we're very proud of that narrative and now another narrative. We'd like to hear his. That is the story of himself. I mean this is a man from savannah georgia the eleventh of twelve children in family and he talks a great deal about his parents especially his mother. Wha- what shaped him to be the man he is. Well i think the very working class background and he came from his father wasn't a interest pentecostal and small businessman. He literally gathered the scraps Of the community Metal in like And repurpose them and resold them And so raphael warnock knows what hard work is. The participated in raphael's mother Also pentecostal minister who grew up in waycross under the scorching heat of georgia's Son in the cotton fields picking someone else's cotton and she's still with us And was able to pick In the election her son to be the next united states. Senator rafeal were not commented on that On his election speech is victory speech in commenting on that he really gave voice to so many. Have that experience. And i'll give the quote. He said Raphael warnock said the the eighty two year old hands used to pick somebody else's cost and went to the polls and picked her youngest son to be a united states senator the improbable journey. That led me to this place in this historic moment in america could only happen here. You yourself your own experiences. You were arrested with him at one point. I want to tell us about. That's right. I was president of georgia. Nwea's ep the state's oldest and largest rights organization at the time and rafeal. And i were leading. A group called moral monday which at taking a page from reverend. Dr william barbara's north carolina more money movement And we were engaged in that campaign to pressure. The state to expand medicaid and to provide coverage For those who are excluded because they they work and they made a little too much to qualify for subsidies under the affordable care act. We had a meeting right there. In the governor's office we we sang and we prayed we were taking the jail. We were arrested. We certainly wouldn't treat it like the rioters were treated at. Us capitol yesterday we were. We were there on behalf of those who could not speak for themselves. The poor the uninsured uninsured those just yearning to have access to healthcare and so It it's a little fight in my mind would already knew about him was that he was willing to His values and his body and proximity to those Who are most impacted by the policies that needed to be changed. It wasn't esoteric for him. This was not pool pit rhetoric but these were principles that he he was going to live by and so we took that arrest together and sat in that sale and had deep conversations about how we would we would move our our efforts through the end of lacey pe- through the new georgia project and ultimately I succeeded reverend warnock as chair of the new project when he stepped down to run for senate and so couldn't be more excited. that The work did he stays abrahams and others have done has led georgia has led the nation to this moment and now is to go to the senate that we watched yesterday all the events on capitol hill yesterday against that backdrop. What does that say to you. That raphael is going absolutely the senate is the most exclusive club In in the world one hundred men and women largely wipe Certainly rich White christian men and He joins that club and we'll bring a narrative that is different from the others This is a major major moment for our efforts to redeem the soul of this country. Who better to do that then. The good reverend. Leave it there. Evan johnson thank. You thank you so much for your attention to this matter. Take care you too. Bye-bye that was reverend francis johnson. He's an attorney and friend of raphael warnock. We reached him in savannah. Georgia When president trump's supporters stormed the us capitol yesterday many lawmakers were ushered to save hiding places by law enforcement. Then there were those who weren't in the chamber over refers to seek shelter wherever they could new york congresswoman grace meng was among them around five. Pm yesterday she tweeted quote. I said by to family. And i'm still hiding unquote all told. Ms manning spent five hours hiding behind a makeshift barricade. She spoke with. Msnbc last night about the harrowing experience. I spent the last five hours in what i thought was an anonymous safe Right off the capital of right off the house floor I might even be safer than my office. Because an anonymous around one thirty we start getting alerts to stay away from windows and doors And then we heard that one of the house office buildings. Cannon has been Within fifteen minutes. I started hearing a lot of thumping and panting and shouting right outside my door and i didn't have windows so i couldn't tell what was going on But i saw as i had. Msnbc on that they were actually marching around Right outside my door and i got really frightened I did my best to barricade myself in the room. Turn off the lights and any potential sounds And was really scared. I i texted everyone. You know there's been questions all day as to what the consequences of this will be whether republicans will call on the president to resign but the republicans will call on their own colleagues. Who helped incite this to resign. We're seeing the hometown. Paper for example of senator josh hawley in missouri. Calling me as he has blood on his hands. I guess i asked you for your response to that but also what you think should happen in terms of accountability for this terror. That you and your colleagues went through today. These acts today whether they happen to members of congress when they happen to the staff members and to the law enforcement were in there and these were criminal and terrorist acts They damage the property. They thought fire. Saad in the people's house You know this is a president. This is a person who has been inciting violence virtually since day one even before he got into office while he never expected. Today's events to happen on. None of us should be surprised that when he basically invites an incites violence in congress and promises to accompany them to the the. Us capitol can't be surprised in their party cannot act surprised that something like this happening today. Grace mang is a democratic congresswoman from new york. She spoke with rachel. Maddow on Years ago on a property in england a homeowner found hunk of rock in the garden. Maybe because it was the right height. Or maybe because it looks sturdy. She decided to use it as a block to help her. Climb onto her horse. But that's slab has much more going for it than it. Sturdiness turns out. It's old like nearly two thousand years old will. Hobbs is an antiquity specialist at the auction house. Woolly wallace in salisbury england. That's where we reached him well. Is this the sort of thing that people expect to discover in their gardens in england rhode island. They expect to find an rap songs by out. 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Everyone was sort of got involved with Discord involved in a classic scholar. He translated all that was ten years ago when that was sort of discovered and then she then it to one side. It's cheesy another block to get onto. A memphis says inside the couches outside the garage but it was no longer exposure to the elements of the crew. which is whether we have filipinos as us And then it was ten years lightning then today Just for the first lock. Time when i think half of the k. Was sort of cleaning at that. Garages in their attics. Bored of being home of his time. Joe walsh i do this big block than an email came through to me one day. And then the soho boost voting again and were you the one to tell her what it was. It was two thousand years old and it was unsatisfied. And i didn't have that pleasure. But then i sort of had the pleasure telling what is essentially worth i think at auction. Estimating ten fifteen thousand pounds uk sterling pines yet. How did how did she react when you told her that what. I don't think anybody sung kin. You expect something to be lying outside to be worth that sort of money. You hear these wonderful vintage fines of people finding these old cars and his lovely jag uses thing ferraris in in bonds and there were many times. But it's just find a book that you've been easing honestly. Just stick it on your whole. Wouldn't expect some sort of money. So yeah. is there an expectation. Does this is actually something that should be returned to where it originated. I will if we knew exactly where it came from. That'd be great so that i think that'd be very honorable. Think today wouldn't it. So yeah but we don't know how we know when he was came out from the grand tour. Whether we don't believe everything that was sort of borough does it were but there may have been. Money exchanged hands when he goes sort of collective in turkey in the eighteenth century would love to have more research to find out to meet ios wars. I mean that's that's the great thing about sort of. We had the opportunity to find who it was made for And i think yes we love to the since if we could sort of these things we repatriated. This story will have people in england scoring into the garden to see what might be their hopes. I find in the comes mace. Today's we've always had love stories of people find things that and they pop up but yes I think anybody should be to take take take a step back and see what the standing over fully get more. Well it's great to talk to you. Thank you and your car or the best. Thanks bye bye bye will. Hobbs is with the auction house. Woolley and wallace. We reached him in. Salisbury england More than five thousand doses of moderna covid vaccine have been delivered to eighteen remote first nations communities across british columbia this week. Another five thousand on the way and while some are nervous about getting the vaccine many elders chiefs and other leaders have been first in line for the shot hoping to act as role models for their communities. Helen clifton is known to many in the got nation simply as granny. She was the first person in hartley baby c to receive the vaccine. That may be feel extra special as being the oldest person here. My young age ninety five years old. I had to represent my family. I couldn't do this. And i expect all my healthy family to do this. I thought if i going to be a role model here and what what's another vaccination in my five generations living here. I'm the anxiety. Even i feel it here. is watching tv or the ipad. I said i want to hear something positive. And if i can give it to my community and that the children you have to be well enough to look after all those that are under eighteen that come up get vaccines so then you better have it and so that you're willing to care for them and so if i have to be role model and because i'm demanding granny it'd be pretty darn demanding here and all and saw of course by the mock persson telegraph here. A whole village will hear about granny and sailed. They'll talk about it and then they're not gonna lead granny of them this. Kobe is not gonna choose what color you are or how rich or how poor you are. And so we have to be united together as human beings all around not across all around the world next generation and and so humankind's united together. It's a new year. Spring is round the corner. It's a brand new page less all be united together. Helen clifton is a member of the gig. At nation she spoke with the cbc's angeles tear it from her home in hartley baby bc. 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So don't throw your ticket away. They don't say it is But the the big mega millions was was not one so it goes to seven hundred fifty million for friday night but tonight's powerball is five hundred and fifty million. Yeah you got that too so just think you know you could win lotteries. I'd kill you but you could win. Lotteries were speculating. That can you imagine that story which somebody went in twice and it turns out to be somebody like ryan seacrest both mega millions and powerball and keeping all the money for himself and also in the news. You got this going on the Ridiculous impeachment deal. The president actually talked about this yesterday during his speech at the southern border before we begin. I'd like to say that free speech is under assault like never before the twenty fifth amendment is of zero risk to me. But we'll come back to haunt joe biden and the biden administration as expression goes. Be careful what you wish for. What could it mean that's interesting. You know what. Because i. I'm a firm believer over the past couple of weeks. He's just because he's been pretty quiet other than in his speech just before what had happened at the capitol building and then he tried to give another speech to the stop and they shut them down everywhere. Yeah they took that down calling for peace. Took the video off. They took social media and then yesterday at the wall. So i i think behind the scenes in every day. Something else drops against him right the mitch. Mcconnell thing you know then he finds out this. Republican stabbed him in the back and bill barr and the list goes on and on and he's he's probably sitting there plotting in. How am i going to get even with everybody. Because he's the kind of guy he gets. Even so i'm just wondering what he's got so with with with biden. I think it's the hundred biden thing at lay have direct proof that joe biden was involved with the chinese government and handouts payoffs while making comments about the twenty fifth amendment and says be careful what you wish for all. I think i'm convinced now. Declassified coming it's common and there's a lot they can bring out absolutely. Can you imagine not only with the brisbane deal with hunter and the laptop and also the origins the very first origins where that came from joe for the russian collusion hoax which they worked on the moment he was elected not amazing. I don't know. I can't tell me joe biden's been around this long and he's not crooked somewhere along the line somewhere about all the way along the line in that it wouldn't that be amazing so we get a new president. Then he's indicted not impeached indicted. I'd be the first one. I think it's going to be an interesting first. Couple of mott's can feel it coming now really come in and trump moves into his kingmaker mode. You see the gallup poll yesterday. National poll big one trump's approval rating as of last week the highest. It has ever been in his presidency. I think people are mad. I mean i understand. He had a big crowd that showed up to see him in washington dc. I listened to that speech from beginning to end because it was a very long speech. He never wants incited a riot. He never wants to urge them to go to the capital in storm. The building and take congress people hostage. He just didn't say it and nancy. Pelosi is leading this whole witch hunt another which on against him. She's just evil. Let it go nancy okay. This is where my father would go. Jenn it's a cancer last. Go walkaway in. She hates trump. that much consider him a cancer. Cut him off walkaway and let it go. These are these are the actions of fearful people. They're afraid of something they would do this. Because it's very very unpopular that same gallup poll about the impeachment deal. People are livid when they could be working on healing and more importantly bringing back this economy after covert. Oh maybe getting more vaccines out something for the people. Don't they're going. It's it's get trump all the time and now they're going after him personally to with public pressure outside of businesses that it worked with deutsche bank. He would you mess with this stuff. Well with the trump family name and heritage. Your he is not going to let this go. And he's going to fight back politically as a kingmaker and is still is what mitch. Mcconnell has had and lindsey graham has no understanding of he is running the republican party. Or what's left of it not them and they still don't get that he is going to be the king maker of people who run local state and federal elections for years to come and he's going to remove them and he's also going to remember the people that supported him like the matt gaetz absolutely. Yeah we got them both right here. Do all this stuff with the handcuffs on with dopes. Had to work with works like chiefs of staff did that didn't do anything for him or turned out to be say or vice president. After all those years you know he praised you know it makes you wonder what had pence work against other things on. 'cause i mean when it came time for the critical our he's not definitely turned coat. It was like holy cow. He was in a terrible position. I get that it was too much pressure for one guy really was should've been fixed at the states but still. He didn't do trump any favors. Now he could've you know what in and look at. Let's be honest. Look what trump did from made vice president or if somebody put him up there and trump agreed to it. but still i who. Who is mike pence. Before that. Some guy from indiana the man from indiana and that was it. It was governor a radio guy. I didn't know that so you told me that boy. What was he like listening to mitch. Mcconnell might have been. He's not very dynamic. No just saying i'm not trying to be mean so we're going to keep an eye on the impeachment deal going on it's going to be incredibly boring. They're gonna vote on it. We'll keep an eye. We'll monitor it for you. But i don't think ending happening. It'll be live in eight fifty w. f. d. l. dot com. But it's going to be unlistenable. I think a lot of them are going to you know. They don't have a mike there yelling from their seats yay or nay they masks on it's it's it's i don't know and it's really a moot point just saying all right so this is happening to and you made the point speaking of those right before the top of the hour the california has more cases going up in more deaths despite the most severe lockdowns in the country statewide right. Who are the lockdowns working. I don't think so. But maybe it's because of non-compliance maybe people just aren't listening. Because over the weekend a cova task force and yes they have those in california head to break up a massive swinger party in la. We got the sound of that not from the swingers. Thank god or do they go for swinger parties. That's what it sounded like martin. Marty is over being detained. Everything visiting warning people were at this location on it and detained. Probably close to honor able to capable holy cow. That's not smart. You hear the one lady being arrested. La county sheriff's permit was out tonight to enforce public health order and we will continue to do so bet cop loved saying the party's over like twenty times. Say he kept on saying. It must have been a nice big house though how many people two hundred think. Wow you guys. What are you talking to talking about. The swinger party wants him. I just think missed a golden opportunity. There he said. Come out with your hands up. I mean you could have added anything i mean. Just pick one and clothes on please. I was thinking of something else. Okay my mind goes right to the gutter goes to the this is. After the bruce willis thing at rite aid. They probably thought. Hey cool. was this real. Yeah the bruce willis now my camera. Gosh he walked in with any back right down so we could still get hollywood jobs. But let's mask up everybody. Yeah so yeah. He said it was a lapse of judgement or something. What if the swingers all mass on. I think it's still get them on gathering that many people that's not good but but who turned him in. I dunno there was a rat somewhere. Maybe one of the swingers got turned away. Maybe like an angry spouse disgruntled swingers. There might be disgruntled swinging thing the whole the whole thing. Sure that works never been invited. Probably neighbors have you got a park somewhere right. that's true. Drop them in from a yeah helicopter. Yeah i've heard stories of swinger parties friend name any names your or anything about them. But i'll go ahead. I have a friend who who They didn't know where there is. No we're hanging out with friends and they didn't know that that's right. Yeah and they're like oh we've got to go all of a sudden you're like wait a minute joe's wife exactly right you ever been invited to one. No no no. If i was. I wouldn't say that it would tell you if i wasn't. We're a mass by gum. Gotta be careful at least be safe. I mean we all made fun of like gavin newsom telling people not to Lop off one of the kids. Came for thanksgiving and christmas. But i can push it too far. Two hundred people is too much. I don't care what you doing. Come on we and get your clothes off. Hello well there's that the hell with the mask it's it's plus your own the same spot and that's not good not good anyway. I just swinger party. I wanna know turned him in. I don't know how often this happens in. La yeah right. They were ready to go like the task force was like they knew exactly what to do for that. Did sound a little creepy. Though too at the same time i mean i get you know you wanna avoid gatherings and everything right now but that did sound like a little like you know taskforce. Yeah that's not good. You helicopter flying over getting people out of the house because there's too many it's like. How many have you closed down. They came out. They did let him get dressed rice so scary. I know keep your hands up. Put your clothes on a nudist colony. I mean it's always the people you really don't wanna see i mean come on maybe all. But if there wasn't a taskforce if this guy didn't have supported that one cop at a megaphone and they'd be like jeff. We're not gonna listen to you. Come on if you want. Wow you're kind of cute come on over. Somebody called the police the stripper could lord all right. We have to the ground in the swamp in dc will monitor this Impeachment ridiculous thing for you. Oh and you know that. James bond movie. I don't think we're ever going to see it. Ever w seven yeah could very. We've got a special extra special very cool jeopardy. Fill in host not ken jennings. We all hate him. He was last night. yeah. I hate him. I do goofy look. I don't like them at all. Okay this guy like it's coming up next the morning. Show this bill here. Talk eight fifty. Wmt oh sell florida morning show. There's jim there's diener. I'm bill barron's more news coming up in ten minutes and we're keeping an eye on the whole impeachment deal in the house. It's incredibly boring sounding. We're not gonna put you through that yet. Yeah it's like we said you get all these Senate well in this case house of representatives these representatives talking and they all got masks on. You can't hear a word they're saying through the mask it's all muffled and all you got to do is read the bottom little scroll. They're impeaching trump for inciting a deadly riot. Okay i'm just. I what enrages me little incite me are headlines like that and the amount of people that still believe. That just can't see past the fake news. They can't they. They still won't believe the media is lying to them because it would break their minds enough. They don't realize they don't know what we know. a in. you know what it's amazing how correct you are so many people believe anything that they are. Spoon fed so essentially. He's being impeached for this to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard king got it right. No this isn't just a gut. You trump this isn't just to try to you know. Take him down. So he's not a threat politically to them anymore. Now you know what amazes me. Is that fours at five house. Gop members that are actually supporting this thing. Liz cheney there's like five of them they are done whatever democrats are gonna stab them right in the back when this is over and no one will ever vote for them again. The same gallup poll or referred to before seventy five percent of respondents said. They wouldn't vote for any house members any. Gop members supporting the democrats on this seventy five percent. There's a guy from illinois adam kensinger. Oh he's an idiot. John cape coat. Kadco from new york and michigan's fred upton along with liz cheney those are them a bad move They're not gonna give you anything on this if they don't believe that the democrats will stab you in the back even if you are a member of the democratic party that Dianne feinstein situation did hers woman. That's been almost a swamp monster for most of her life. Been there for like eight thousand terms. she was after some contentious congressional hearing and she got up and she hugged. Lindsey graham my goodness. They destroyed her in a matter of seconds. They said she had this. Couldn't remember name couldn't remember. They destroyed the woman. Personally these morty. With though i think too there was that but it was also around. The time of this was a member Swallow who was with fang fang right right right right right from the whole chinese fighting remember. She had finds she had the driver who was a chinese operative and been working for for like twenty years. That's right so what better than to save She can't remember anything. Just put her in the corner. She didn't know anything about that. She wasn't connected. They destroyed her and they wanted her gone by the way instead of being impeached. He's the guy that should be impeached. Right now swallow. Who is with a chinese spy. What is up with that. Not only has been named a house impeachment manager by nancy pelosi. What is wrong with this world where everything is upside down with these crooks. Here's a guy that had an affair with. A chinese operative probably sold the farm newer. You kidding me. This swamp is back. She never really left. It's just been exposed. It's true but just think if it were not for trump we would never have known. It's true i mean we would have like like everybody knew the shenanigans that went on but not to this extent is crazy. Mrs nuts nuts is what it is man almost as and just before we leave talking about the capital whole thing and the impeachment that democratic congresswoman. Do you know this woman. Mikey cheryl. She said she released video to her constituents yesterday that means the house where she basically said. I saw republican congressman walking these terrorists through the capitol building the day before they stormed the building. This was a well planned attack. I'm like okay okay i'm not buying. I really doubt that what amazes me. Though like there's no security there was no security. Obviously but they don't have. They didn't have a metal detector until like yesterday. You gotta go one now. I was like well we saw. You can't go to school without walk through. But you can walk into the capitol building and into some senator or representative's office and there's no metal detector and new firebrand newly-elected firebrand from colorado lauren. Bogert refused to walk through it yesterday. She said you know who. I am not going through this every now. You know i'm packing and it's just that simple good for her. Did she ever get it. I don't know what the result was but a big backup africa. Congress stuck outside because she wouldn't go through it's going to be. It's really going to be something here. Going forward so wait. You know what isn't going forward boy. It's like once a top gun movie coming out what it was fourth of july weekend or something right take it. Yeah it's july second. Is the release date. So it's headed right before their right. They delayed again. That james bond no time to die film at this point I'm done. i don't want him wanna see. It was supposed to come out in the fall. Now they've moved. It is supposed to be this april. Now they've moved it to the fall and there's talk they're going to move into next year. No like why are you doing this. I don't care anymore. i'm i'm done. It's been it's been done for like three years. No way they're going daniel craig's going to be dead by the time they release this film. Yeah not that. I want anything bad to happen to them. You know putting that out there but still there on wages. They're onto like a dip below seventeen now so no. Don't care it's gonna come out by dumbs. Rami malik is going to be like. Oh yeah got to do the guy forget about that But this is really cool. Last night they started the guest celebrities. On jeffrey and wanna bills favorites ken jennings filled idea. Nice little tribute. No one likes him. Now no one. He's kind of. He's kind of creepy looking condescending. Cavanaugh truth or by the way he believed the rape allegations. Wonderful well. I don't know i don't think this guy falls into that category. He'll be much nicer to look at. And he's pretty smart to aaron rodgers that quarterback for green bay packers now. Why did he want to do it. He says this one of my idols growing up was alex. Travek you know and and being able to be on jeopardy years ago even though my wardrobe outfit was the greatest choice they're doing some some guest hosting spots and is going to be released here pretty soon but i have the opportunity to of those. What did he come in full uniform. I nobody war this bubble helmet but he helmet. It was celebrity jeopardy. No he looks like mega mind. Does he really big bubble head helmet like the big one for the concussion protocol thing really. Go look huge head okay. Got a lot of brains in there. Smart guy went to caltech not dumb for football. Jin home on and i don't think he hit a lot of classes as he played in celebrity jeopardy against shark tanks kevin o'leary and mark kelly in beat them and he won fifty thousand dollars for charity. Well that's good so that he so that's why he likes jeopardy. I actually remember watching that episode. I know shocker right. I'm remove wear pretty. I don't remember what war i remember. He did really really well during the danika patrick era nowhere t shirts. I heart danika. Oh dan patrick at number ten or whatever it was all right. Here's an update this house impeachment. Things sounds really boring. It's why we're not hearing it right now. We'll keep you updated though if anything exciting happens coming up next these morning show this. i'm bill. Keep it here these florida morning. Show news talk. Eight fifty w. f. t. l. Jen bill diener over there to keep an eye in ear to the swamp. What's going on with is impeachment thing brady boring so far but Eighty pelosi has pick nine. Member says impeachment managers. It's like picking teams for softball like that and who is on this impeachment team. Well one of them is Texas democrat congressman joaquin. castro Has to say what keen you there. Hello for president has made the case for impeachment himself in how he has acted the fact that he created out of thin air or this conspiracy. Theories be election was somehow stolen from him thin air. Wow thin air holy cow. Look at the very least depending on how you feel about election results. What happened allegations. prove whatever. you can't deny this is one of the least transparent elections of all time. They weren't allowed to even look into this. All ted cruz was asking for was a ten day audit to look into it and that was denied. So thin air conspiracy theory. Yeah really okay okay. All right walking what was his last name. Mccain who castro castro. Oh okay unfortunate. Name to have in the united states good Jim mcgovern from up there. Now he's rules committee guy. Well this is what happens it. All it does is it. It puts up a platform for all of these representatives to get up and you know hail their high horse shout and yell to the rafters. I'm so morally. Sound that i have the right to impeach. Somebody else is the other thing that they're jumping onto. Mcgovern is all interested in giuliani thinks. So they're throwing him into this to. This is what already said. They try oak. He called for trial by combat. No making an analogy. But that's okay. That's okay right. It's it's it's a way they could be using this time to heal this country. They really could by the way. If joe biden had stepped up and said stop this nonsense now truly heal this country. Let's stop this and move forward and leave donald trump alone. I'd calm the greatest president of all time. You'll never say those words. I hate to tell you that. First of all he can't because he's a puppet and he's run by other people and secondly he would never do that now because it was never about healing the nation it was never about creating unity. It was all about divide and conquer and they just want him gone and it's going to back for once again have overplayed their hand i. It's they're the most hypocritical evil members of congress. I think there are every single one of them. I you know it's you can't sit here and tell me that. The president had states incited a riot to storm capitol hill. Dad's patriotically make your voices heard. Yeah peacefully patriotically. Yeah he told them to storm the capital and shame on the capital for not protecting your own by the way you had no cops there why you wouldn't have had them. Knowing there were million people coming into the capital of the state capital to begin with. I mean even on a bad day. You have a concert. They bring an extra police. They didn't bring anybody so who's to blame for that. The same whatever. Do we want to bring this up. This sounds like right now. How bad it is dean. Are you listening. I'll give it give it a chance. Give five seconds is tom. Cole is speaking five seconds. I'll give this okay. Go ahead seconds at here. Because right now george stephanopoulos in my ear. Oh sorry to throw into the boss on that. Yeah so it's it's so let me put it this way. It's so bad and so pointless in so boring that they're not even planning on. Abc right now. It's just the anchors talking about. Yeah just reading the rules for the thing. It's just. They're just opening the floor debates pretty much just a drone on all day. Sorry but i didn't even know. I saw tom no going over the rules. That's all it is and all. It is is grandstanding by all of these. These politicians. That's all it's going to be in the fort of the four or five republicans that turn coat. Well there's a lotta anger out there. Obviously including against the democrats. And i don't know whether this lady is actually a democrat. But she's obviously either way no matter what she is. She's in new york city resident. That's had enough. I don't know many people live in new york city who aren't democrats that's true. She is a She is a strong opponent. Of chucky schumer and chucky schumer tried to have a little press conference on the street yesterday. This lady wasn't having it. Why was on the street. I was talking about the agenda going forward and he wants to open up the city again. You mean wouldn't go that far and capital punishment for the capital Instigators and all. This stuff will. This lady confronted chucky. Schumer she went on for about two minutes. There was no nobody stopped her and he just hung his head. Where security for these people. I'm glad there wasn't she could speak your mind. He's a public official. But listen to this right piglet with the socialist. Whoa wow that's how she started cheese. And then at this point in time chucky schumer just he put his head down and her mask is flying in often. She's all worked up waving arms. Exactly got sexually excited over you. That's a heck of an analogy Thanks for the all. She doesn't care about monuments the never do i had. The person doesn't say that you have to protest peacefully and politely. Okay here's what to now. This is the point she's making. I understand it. 'cause nancy pelosi and afc were on record as saying nobody said over the summer right with the riots and the burning of cities right. It never says you have to protest peacefully and that's coming back to haunt them now ladies. This lady was certainly aware of that. Is what else you said our hearts. There's one of the unrest in the streets. Wow oh boy. Well say well. I would i would. If they're smart they would take that as a message that kind of anger that's out there. 'cause it's out there trust me well and but the problem is they feel the the fire they don't they're they're you know putting air to the fire over here. Where's biden biden. Could stop all of this comment for that sake. If you want to say that. She's going to be running things. We're they haven't seen them they're hiding biden puts out a low what he did was reprehensible. He incited a riot. Oh joe we're even awake during the time i not about. It's not about healing. It's not about unity they want you gone is what it is. Oh they want to. They want and they want. Donald trump wiped out right. I mean in every way shape or form. It's in god knows what they're doing to his family has been thrown off twitter and everything i think. Don jr. Think vodkas on there. They took They're taking trump's or did because youtube account away nobody cares but still. Yeah because he had that for They said for a week but the odds are it's going to become indefinitely like everything else. That's that's okay. i'm telling you he's. He's going to buy his own servers. That's what he's gonna do next. It's going to have his own channel. Oh that that's that's a voice. You're gonna hear stronger than ever. If they hadn't pulled this crap probably would have been a pretty post-presidency for trump but those days are gone. Oh now he's zero percent chance you're not to hear probably more from him than you did. Always president oh he's out too. Well you know. What if i were him. I'd be out to destroy nancy. Pelosi chucky schumer. Joe biden Oh andrew cuomo. Who was the hero. Now how dare that man say that. It's time to open up. The city was like oh my god and a goal to say. If we don't it's not gonna be anything to open up. don't you remember. i read. Who told you that. I got seven straight months and you ignored all over politics all just all get trump like matt gates said this this hate trump virus for which. There's no vaccine. Okay there are. All biden is not even inaugurated yet and they've already overplayed their hand. The backlash is underway. I hope they all go down. This gallup poll. That came out yesterday that showed trump's approval rating than at any point during his presidency each also the lowest approval rating for this congress. Then at any point over the past. four years. People are sick of this in. They're losing democrats. Trust me it this. You know you can't sit here and watch these. They're all hypocrites. But i just hope that he declassify stuff and what did he say at the wall. And what was very interesting. Careful what you wish for before we begin. I'd like to say that free speech is under assault like never before the twenty-fifth amendment is zero risk to me but we'll come back to haunt joe biden and the biden administration as the expression goes. Be careful what you wish for okay. I heard that live yesterday. And i was kind of on the fence about declassification. Seems to be predicting as that and said. Oh it's coming so he. He delivers he delivers classified documents or releases them. That show that hunter biden on turbine. Joe biden knew exactly what hunter was doing smack in the middle of all of and also what could be more damaging but still related to biden the origins of the russia collusion hoax. They went back. Joe buys was had a firsthand involvement in that thing right there along with him he was the guy that actually you went after. Flynn general. Flynn wow yeah. That was a biden deal more than anybody else. It okay. These are normally things that in order for a peaceful transition between a republican democrat president. Because they're really all the same right except for trump normally. These are all things that keep under wraps and you keep them classified for the peace of the nation ninety more now when you pull this crap now when you pull this crap which we're looking at on tv right now which has nothing to do with anything not now. The rules have changed. They've changed forever get ready and these are the actions of very very fearful people. These are the actions of people that are afraid of something coming out. Otherwise they never would have undertaken this steny. Hoyer stalking now. I'm sure that's riveting. There's another thousand year old ancient coot that needs to be a primary. I'm tying if anything. They pass new laws for terms on all these people. Because it's getting ridiculous. And there's you know what i wanted to share this with you earlier but there's some good news about jimmy fallon did she. Could there possibly be jimmy. Fallon really retirement forced one never knows. I love it that we finally. I saw it and i went. That's his other good news to when you get your next airport flight. You will not be accosted by this. Cnn a lot of good things to talk about their hemorrhaging including ufo's that's true. Birsh rhino void going next morning. Show this bill here. We are debating this historic measure at an actual crime scene. And we wouldn't be here if it weren't for the president of the united states crime scene. Talk about all the crimes that have happened over the past hundred years of. That's scene count. You're right yeah you're right. The halls of congress are a crime scene. That i agree with has nothing to do with less wednesday but it's a crime scene. Wow wow that was pretty farfetched. Jim mcgovern from massachusetts. Okay mask i. that's the problem. It say listen in all these people talk through her mask. And it's it's muted to begin with. Then it gets double. it's horrible. President trump is cited. This rylance this violence at that rally right remember to peacefully patriotically. Make your voices heard. Yeah okay right right yeah. That's inciting a riot opening of the government going there. Jim how's the Extra distribution of the vaccine going. Jim cumulus money working. How's it all working out. Wow just wonderful instead of saying that. you know. that's what Guess marco rubio sent a letter to joe biden saying on your first day as president. You should okay. A two thousand dollars stimulus check for that. You should have done six months ago. But that really old nancy pelosi gut in the way they probably will so that they can look like heroes cuomo of new york. We're opening and i'm doing this for you. Get white people believe him. How can you leave him. You just shut you down for seven months the most disheartening thing throughout this whole process really throughout the whole four years realizing how many people out there right now still be. Leave the news media. It's not news it's propaganda antillean. That they'll still get away with this crap. I don't understand how the propaganda media still covers for cuomo. He's never been nice to them. No like ever he no. He's like he knows they'll cover for him and he's still spits on him. It's unbelievable it's it's perhaps it's absolutely amazing. He's he's an evil person though. It's all about him just saying not good not good. So we're monitoring this we're carrying it. Live right at eight fifty. Wfl it's unlistenable. I'll tell you this guy it's all it's it's a bunch of representatives grandstanding. That's all i listen to steny. Hoyer is now twelve hundred years old. Oh yes he is. I wouldn't normally air something like this. But i just think this is a funny comparison. You guys wanna hear how important Abc radio thinks this is right. Now is what they have on all right. Wow that's the current thing that they're hey area that's how bad this is. Wow well that is pretty bad. It's not going anywhere. According to matt gaetz from florida said this yesterday. This is deeply unpopular impeachment. The public wishes we were here dealing with corona virus the virus of trump hatred that you seem to have found no vaccine for. I love him the last few and trust me. They're losing the last few like blue dog. Democrats the old school ones just for the the real democrats like the working people. You know what. I mean Traditional older democrats like a lot of our parents probably weren't a lot of people still are now. You want to or independence. You wanna push this crap while this nation is still suffering because of this cova da. Da lockdown stuff. Keep do exactly what you do and if you wanna lose power it's it and no eight. Trump will start a third party granted. It'll separate everything but healed instantly. Pick up millions of people. There are a lot of calls for that right now. See lindsey graham and Cocaine mitch mcconnell. They think they run the republican party. I think they need a wake up call. They had a wake up call and they still didn't wake you know and that's the price you know what i think. A lot of this stems from to be quite honest with the jealousy. Here's a guy who was a non-politician came in ruled the world basically at the american people flocked to him. And in all the years. That lindsey graham has been there are mitch mcconnell and nothing like that ever happened and they couldn't understand what is it that this guy's got didn't like trump but they really don't like you then like you then like me then liked what the unwashed mashes masses having that much power they do not want that. Do not like that. It will never put up with it again. They think wow i can. Only hope trump wins the end. We'll see okay onto good news. I saw this i love. I laughed. I thought of you. Yes jimmy fallon. What is my big complaint about jimmy fallon talented. His talented is the day is long. But always he takes over every Interview every musical performance. Everything his ratings of the lowest they have ever been good nine hundred and forty seven thousand viewers smallest ever in the history of the show. Wow history show. He's being beat like pants. Getting kicked by. Stephen colbert which i don't agree with or jimmy kimmel good. So but here's the gotcha. Nbc just renewed his contract was they have. He's a puppet. He he's harmless. They tell them what to do. They get nbc. News gave him a directive to give that line memory. had that thing at f- after last wednesday is what happens. We have lack of leadership. He started off a teleprompter. He's a puppet. There were no late night comedians anymore. So what happens though when. Nbc starts losing tons of money. I don't care who you are. Jimmy fallon is a puppet. Give it to you to matter about the ratings china fund more. That's all it is but there's more good news to talk about to how about this. Cnn not anymore at the airports. The is the ceo of Cnn it's the cnn airport network. Who knew that's why they're wondering what they got paid for that. I don't know that actually was a thing contract thing not anymore. Ceelo later it's they were hemorrhaging. I think i think cnn is going to go away soon. They can't afford them. They're going to go belly up. China funding still. They don't care tonight about ratings about that. Though gone you're in an airport that still carries cnn get rerouted yes sure. I wanted to go to la but semi to fresno go to. Spongebob squarepants year. So it'd be more valuable. Well we'll see you tomorrow morning unless of course we win. Tonight's powerball at five hundred and fifty million and then we'll tell you everything about the impeachment. 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World Over - 2021-01-14 - Full Episode with Raymond Arroyo

WORLD OVER

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World Over - 2021-01-14 - Full Episode with Raymond Arroyo

"Sir congress votes to impeach president donald trump for a second time accusing him of inciting last week's deadly riot in washington. Op ed editor of the new york. Post zohrab amari and catholic university. Professor chad are here. With analysis and in the wake of last week's violence references to the racism of nazi germany or being cast about our such comparisons apt president to pave the way foundation. Gary krupp shares his insights covid. Nineteen vaccines were released. At the end of last year with great fanfare. But how safe are and where they developed. Ethically father tadpole chick of the national catholic bioethics center. We'll tell us. The world over higgins right now now raymond arroyo a warm welcome to all of you joining us in the united states and the world over and important show for you tonight soar up. Amari chad gary. Crop and father. Ted paul chick or all straight ahead. If you'd like to comment on tonight show send me a tweet on that raymond. Arroyo lots to cover. Let's get started the. Us house of representatives voted to impeach president trump for the second time and historical. I all this in response to last week's where iot and incursion into the us capitol by trump supporters that eventually claimed five lives sadly to discuss this the fallout and the road to unity. We're joined by professor of systematic theology at the university of catholic university of america. Chad and saurabh. Amari he's the op. Ed editor at the new york post jets. Thank you both for being here on wednesday house. Democrats voted to impeach the president. Mostly all the democrats went along ten. Republicans but leader mitch. Mcconnell has said there is not enough time between now and the inauguration conduct a senate trial. Sort up first off. Was this a good idea at this point politically speaking. And what do you think. The ramifications might be for democrats and republicans. Well thanks for having me and it's rare to have one of your friends as a co-panelists. So hello to chad Look i think. Let me stipulate that president trump has not conducted himself well since the election terribly especially in the last week refusal to initially call off the bob and so forth. I will stipulate all of that by still think you know. It can't look but vindictive that he's getting impeach with seven days left to go in his term. So what is the point of that. I think for a lot of trump's supporters and seventy five million of them now nine point nine nine nine percent of whom did not do the disgraceful acts of besieging the capital and forth. There's just patriotic americans who agreed with the president's policies. Those people can't but see this combined with the big tech purge and everything else we've seen for the past week or so as an attempt to de legitimize them that their choices as a political choices. Voting for trump is somehow a a stain on their character and the trump has to be extirpated from the pages of history which he won't be but that's what they're trying to do and so i don't think that will promote the kind of unity that democrats claim to want going forward. Yeah well And the other question is spoken to a number of constitutional scholars and renowned lawyers The senate trial may not be able to be conducted after the inauguration. You can't impeach somebody once. They've left office right and so the point of democrats again. I'm crediting this as a point of view. But if they're point is to move on from the trump era The fact that they're going to have a trump trial potentially Hanging over as shadow casting a shadow over you know first. Few months of the biden administration. That doesn't seem to suggest that moving on and the question is what benefit will that. Bring them. i mean. My friend tucker. Carlson last night suggested that all that does is paper over the fact that democrats are intensely divided over among themselves about how to move forward as a party torn between various you know far left and mainstream co left urges. What easier way than to continue. The sort of trump hatred characterize the party over the past four or five years so i think this is just an attempt to kind of extended nostalgia. The trump era nostalgia and A bit longer because it helped to unify democrats in a way that nothing else would be able to going forward. They just can't give them up chad at at this point i was amazed that of president elect biden tweeted vague support for this Impeachment move saying well you can do this but make sure my agenda moves as well. Is this revenge justice at this point. And what effect does this have on. Biden's culture unity and to not see a red and blue america. Well it's clearly a active revenge by the democrats but as sarab says it's also their only kind of pitch for unity is to be united around hatred of donald j trump. And i think what you see here. Is i mean. I drove into the studio in dc today. And it's like a militarized zone. If if a trump inauguration was being prepared for in this way they call him a military dictator. The only thing that that biden is prepared for it seems to be the anti-trump figure and this is not a cause for national unity at all. America's never been united around political leaders or they've never been united around their distaste for political leaders. They've been united as a people because of their common loves because they privilege the family the community the the worker these are the things that unite america above all god one nation under god this is what brings unity to america not a second catholic president in scare quotes not a emergency power president who acted badly. Sometimes it our unity is going to be found in the really fundamental truth of what it means to be. americans The credit for all of this. We should say it was the idea that incited the violence at the capitol. I want to play for you. Both some prominent paul's reacting to the blm antifa riots. We saw over the summer watch building just collapsed in the mid section. And you hear even some cheers of people. It's it's ebbs and flows of violence and looting us. This is a movement. I'm telling you they're not gonna stop and everyone beware because they're not going to stop it is gonna. They're not gonna stop before election day november. And they're not gonna stop after election day. You know there needs to be unrest in the streets results unrest in our lives. I don't care that much about statues. I've been done by initiative under city council in the middle of the night. What do what what they do now. Here those same politicians reacting to the violence at the capital last night we witnessed two systems of justice when we saw one that let extremist storm the united states capitol and another that released tear gas on peaceful protesters last summer. This was an attack led in coordinated by white supremacists. It was a violent mob. An attempted coup to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. People in our country led by this. President were the moment who have chosen their whiteness over democracy Sore out your take on this. I mean is the violence and destruction of federal property. Only wrong when it's committed by ideological opponents. I never heard the word. Extremism uttered all summer. Hey raymond i just as you played that i'm struggling to i dunno laugh or cry or whatever. The reaction is to that. Because that's such a shing gas lighting. They don't even pretend to try to hide it right. Because i happen to. I live in new york city. I happen to remember vividly. What i witnessed the night of june first and june. Second in this city I saw directly with my own eyes. I saw protesters. Rampaging down lexington avenue smashing any store and the cops were too overwhelmed to even begin to respond. I saw them you know scouting out my own apartment building as they were going up and down and smashing things. I saw a quote unquote peaceful protesters running over cops in the bronx over officers beating officers and then nationwide the days long months-long assault on a federal courthouse in portland the autonomous zone in seattle. All of that now you can say that. This was uniquely heinous what happened last week. Because it targeted. The seat of american democracy as opposed to just private property as opposed to just a macy's in herald square or a courthouse. In in oregon. But there's no denying the fact that that for okay for about a year. Protesters were told essentially that if you show violence you can get your political goals city councils. Blue mayors and blue governors will defend the police and political violence works in a way and we condemn that consistently just as we have the new york post but also i individually condemned what happened last week but those who excused winked at denied and even apologized for the events of last year. As you just pointed out in your montage clip have no standing to to unequivocally condemn what happened because they told one segment of society that political violence as long as you're causes just and the again the gas lighting makes me at an no cry laugh be enraged. I can't quite describe the emotion because the way the morally lied to chat. I the thing that enrages me. Most is Violence always wrong using violence as a means of protest is always wrong. We state capitals occupied over the summer and siege. Now we have the us capitol your thoughts on what this says to our children when they see the politicians excusing one form of heinous violence while condemning and calling the other nazis in the clan in action. I think it tells our children. Who's in power. You know our friend. At harvard. Law school adrian for moore says it's not hypocrites the hierarchy. It's an attempt to demonstrate for all of us americans who is in charge who has the power to use coercive force and all summer long. We were told that a certain kind of political ideology could use any kind of force at wanted. It could contravene any laws. It wanted with the permission of those who hold high office but anyone who engaged in any kind of foul language a misrepresentation or indeed violence was deemed as someone who does not even deserve to live in the country anymore. Someone who should be extradited deprived of their livelihood. What it all communicates is who has power. Now that's the kind of order that you see in totality -tarian regimes. That's not a democratic republican which you have the give and take between citizens which you respect your neighbor even if you disagree you respect your neighbors dignity and i think what it communicates to. Our kids is that we don't have a republic that america is in crisis and their future is uncertain. It's deeply troubling. It's deeply troubling and we have to find a way back. I guess one of the most disturbing things. I get politicians and ideologues trying to use this crisis to broad brush and brand their political opponents and tried to take them down understood but now that has metastasized and spread throughout american life. Now we have a handful of liberal catholic organisations catholic organizations that have chosen to brand people in the catholic community brothers and sisters and faith for quote culpability. In last week's insurrection. Saying that mostly conservative. Catholics have blood on their hands. Some included in the list are former attorney. General william bar supreme court justice. Amy conybeare catholic league president bill donahue abby johnson. The pro-life advocate cardinal timothy dolan cardinal raymond burke bishop joseph strickland tyler texas. Several catholic priests catholic media organizations. Even yours truly made the list. I mean last time. I checked amy. Conybeare wasn't inciting people to storm capitol hill. Maybe i missed that. Sora i knew your take on this and this decision to demonize fellow catholics for political purposes. What's going on. I mean it's not a it's predictable. unfortunately that the polarization that rips our Society unfortunately at touches the churches well Know when i. I just one of the names that you picked out. I mean i know raymond you you're not an insider we're friends but you know when i hear about cardinal cardinals burke and dolan this honorable churchmen especially wanna talk about cardinal dolan because he happens to be my shepherd here in new york. his eminence has been you know nothing but calm in response to desecrations against saint patrick's cath cathedral by quote unquote. Black lives matter activists antifa types time and again you know he he wrote an op ed for us in the near post we said I remember dagger. John my predecessor of blessed memory. You know the archbishop. John hughes how he would respond to mob violence against catholics by know. Nothings in the nineteenth. But that's not the path. I'm taking it on taking the path of reason which the church has always championed You know unabashedly and so know to throw all these names together and to attempt to somehow tie anyone who expressed the conservative point of view or in the case of The cardinals just churches point of view the churches perennial teaching and framed that as somehow culpable and related to this is just more of the same gas lighting that we talked earlier about the show Chad these people seem to prize ideology above doctrine or belief. And they're incensed to that. And if you read the you know the follow on to these coals to censure and get rid of these people from public life they really take issue with innocent human life being preeminent issue for the church. this is a constant theme. Here what should be the approach here. What is really happening chip. Well i think on one level we have to recognize that this is why the church continually makes appeals to the common good and to build up societies. Because if we don't have a good society that the church can work with we'll have a society that is working at cross purposes with the church. And i think what we have is a number of catholics prominent catholics in major cities who have been compromised by woke ideology and they have put that power ahead of the truth of the catholic church and they want the truth of the catholic church to bend to meet the power The it and this is kind of upside down order now nature can tolerate an upside. Don't order for a while but it doesn't tolerate it for very long. And i think we're going to see a kind of reaction to that which is very dangerous. I think i think this is a very very dangerous for prominent catholic liberals to stand up and make the church into this play thing this political plaything to serve woke interests. I agree. We'll we'll the hit list. I found particularly disturbing and sword. When trump came into power. There were no attempts to liquidate opposing. Voices certainly not within the catholic community so the my sense of this is. We're moving into a really dark place. Where even faith politics has been allowed to take the place of god in many ways in some of these people's minds and that i find most disturbing They used the faith as a political weapon. And it can't be that way. Look people can disagree. You can vote how you want. But the truth is eternal. The truth doesn't move. Yes but the truth can be Repressed as as chad alluded to the cia. The truth can be repressed. For some time we can never be eternally repressed but it can. It can be disguised office skated and and and censored And so i just want to briefly. Mentioned this factor. Which is we haven't talked about. All of this is happening against the backdrop of massive technologically empowered censorship. the likes of which We haven't seen in the history of this country before Sort of syria events of the past. Few months for me isn't either neither of the election Nor the upheaval at capitol hill. With the fact that you know we at the near post had reported an accurate story everyone now acknowledges that it was an accurate story about the president-elect son and his corrupt dealings with essentially foreign powers and You know twitter and facebook manage to just disappear that from vast swaths of the internet And we were in a way we were the tip of the spear we lead bore the brunt of that and and You know we were banned for days and then eventually they relented but then after the election especially the last week they've widened the scope of who gets to purged. And so all of this is your right is taking us in a in a very dark place. I absolutely want to ditto. Chad's the illusion our friend adrian motto in a way that. Don't don't call it hypocrisy. He gets tiresome to use the word. Boxy it's a real hierarchy there just sort of you know because violence disgusting rhetoric can find it on twitter all over right it's only certain clans that get they get a second kinds of viewpoints targeted and that's the hierarchy and the sooner we wise up to that sooner than we can deal with reality instead of pretending like we're this is the same old world of the nine hundred ninety s or early two thousand. No and it's funny. Tweet is going to protect the republic from the president of the united states. But there's no presumption to protect the american people from china iran. These official organs continue to operate on twitter and facebook. As if it's just another day and there's no problem at all it's unbelievable moment we've reached and they have way too much power they should be broken up and i hope that movement looks like. There's a bipartisan movement. To break up these monopolies they should be broken up chad. What do you think lies ahead for the catholic church and catholics under a biden administration. And before i get your answer. Cardinal timothy dolan of new york had this to say about president-elect biden earlier this week he said our new president who speaks with admirable sensitivity about protecting the rights of the weakest and most threatened ran on a platform. Avidly supporting this gruesome capital punishment for innocent pre-born babies. Your thoughts well. That of course is a very savvy a comment from his eminence. Of course using this is what's going to have to be our modus operandi as catholics is utilizing one point of agreement to force a conversation about a point of real disagreement. So there's a kind of common shared assumption about about the death penalty liberals are against the death penalty. The the father has has taught us about the permissibility of the death penalty and cardinal. Dolan i think very smartly said well. We have the death penalty in this country under the widespread practice of abortion. And i think that's going to have to be our modus operandi unfortunately is to show how one aspect of of the liberal ideology agrees with the church's teaching and that that aspect is in contradistinction in disagreement with even more fundamental truth that we protect human dignity itself in the womb at the beginning. So i think that's the right strategy. I think the weakness is a tendency to try to be a both end kind of catholic in which you say while the catholic church is neither liberal or conservative. That's true but there's a kind of speaking of hierarchy. There's a kind of hierarchy to the truce that we have to argue for. And so i think the the bishops are right to stress. That what we are fighting for now and always is the human dignity in the womb into say that that is actually more important than what we have to say about the various minor numbers of cases. Where you actually see the death penalty against say two thousand lives lost in the womb every day in america. So i think that's going to have to be your highest priority going forward. I think we're going to have to tolerate to some extent. This constant flouting of our second catholic president second catholic president happens to be the most pro abort president in history. And we're going to have to deal with that. We're going to have to deal with the confusion that comes from that. We're going to have to do with priests and bishops. Who who don't pay attention to that fact and that's going to be difficult for the church in america. I only have a moment laughed. I'm gonna give you a shot at this. What can we do at this moment to unify the country in the midst of this viciousness the violence. We've seen how do we bring americans back together beyond the hateful politics that were surrounded in syrup. You very quickly. I will just say. I mean it's cliche in some ways to say that on wgn but it's also an absolute unshakable truth. Which is that. We have to believe in the power of prayer. We really do. And i say that. I almost for myself to pray. Mourn pray more and more and more right Chad yeah pope leo. The thirteenth said that america will give sorry that the catholic church will give america her best citizens than i think. Our point is right that her best citizens are those who pray and who point to god. Who's the source of unity. This is what america really needs. Doesn't need to be pointed to a politician. It needs to be pointed to. God i agree. No we've gotta get past politics and to the things that truly united god family and one another. Thank you both for being here. You can find sorber maris columns and all the great op-eds over there at the new york post at ny post dot com and you can follow you way. Professor chad picked up at sea peck. No thank you both. Thanks a lot. I grew up in austria and very aware of kristallnacht or the night of broken glass. It was a neither of rampage against the choose carried out in nineteen thirty eight but the nazi equivalent of the proud boys. Winston was the day of broken glass right here in the united states. That was actor. And former governor of california arnold schwarzenegger relating the events of last week to the horror of crystal knock now here to discuss the capital rioting last week and the frequent comparisons being made to nazi. Germany is the founder and president of the pave. The way foundation gary crop gary. Thank you for being here now. Look you're jewish scholar. You've studied this period. Extensively particularly as relates to world war two The nazi incursion throughout europe and pious the twelfth. Before we address. The comparison. Made by mr schwarzenegger tell us a little about crystal knock. What it actually was. What happened in one thousand nine hundred. Yeah it was. It was Thanks for having. Raymond always a pleasure to be on the show but thanksgiving november in november tenth. Nineteen thirty eight. I listen to this was actually a attacks. Committed by racists. Bigots and anarchists encouraged by the inaction and silence of politicians of the day in the city governments and essentially that gave their blessings to these rampaging groups going through the city smashing windows of jewish owned businesses and Looting in doing this this terrible damage and just feeding into this friends. The problem with any ethnic. Go ahead go ahead. I said the problem with the statements of of the governor is that the actual kristallnacht occurred here in the united states all summer long in wetland in seattle in new york city and involved. Actually the definition of it you had in by the city inaction by the politicians Rampaging groups of of of fascist were mtpa these other groups going through and smashing windows and loonie and really no major these so that was actually the actual restyle up to the united states. I don't think washington even comes close. Well schwarzenegger was comparing trump. Voters particularly the proud boys Some of whom. The founders are hispanic and african american but he compared them to anti-semites hoop and nazis persecuted jewish people in the lead up to world war. Two in your opinion is that a is that a responsible comparison in european. I absolutely not it is not. This was not something that was aimed at the certainly of the jewish people during the nazi period. But the The problem is this is not. I'm not really that familiar with group to be honest with you weeks. They very apolitical. Take away and we try to stay away from these way. Shes absolutely is a very very bad comparison. I would say antifa and other groups may very well be fit that category. But as i said i think that's an unfair arison also this week of president-elect joe biden weighed in on the writers and senators crews and hawley. He used this increasingly common racism. Nazi germany analogy And i'm concerned about the way. This is moving through the body politic and becoming normalized. Listen to this. French thugs insurrectionist white supremacist. Anti semites. six and is not enough. I mean come on. You know these church there were these are bunch of thugs thugs. And they're terrorists domestic terrorist. Senator cruz or senator holly resigned. I think they should be just flat. Beat the next time. They run the american public hazard. Creole good clear. Look at who they are. They're part of the big lie. The big lie. I was reminded by friend of mine. Maybe you arithmetic. Can't recall when we're told that you know goebbels in the great lie you keep repeating the line repeating the line. Air your thoughts on that. You've spoken and written about this tactic at length in regards to the vatican in your research on the twelve. What are we seeing here. Well unfortunately the old. The promises made during the campaign which we're hearing from mississippi healing the country and bringing the country together and remarks like this are definitely not doing that again. They keep dividing us and and separating and it is a. It's a very sad the situation. I i really wish that that the the they would tone down this language in this and start healing katrina bringing bringing us together Certainly what happened with us during world war. Two when someone when you know he's he's making basic statements correct. You know the lights thousand times comes. True is exactly when nelson along with the writing. That occurred here that it's peaceful demonstrations in someone in this is not what happened but again we keep saying it over and over again and that's because of the way it was being treated by the media unfortunately and look there's no doubt there was some people wearing antisemitic. I saw the antisemitic t shirts and some of these images. Those individuals should be decried condemned and if they broke the law as this one did the he should be prosecuted as such. But i worry when you broad. Brush entire group of people including hispanics blacks whites jewish people who were part of that rally before this incursion that you demonize them you diminish them and their humanity your take on that and and we're seeing your one hundred percent right and again. This is a A terrible effort to divide us it. All this is doing is dividing us in every time you you bring up one group versus another group and someone it. It serves towards survey a very very bad agenda. We have to start alien the country we have to start ending these conflicts between groups and someone. That's what was promised to us with this election that we really need to do this. And you know this a During the war was a lutheran of a theologian dietrich von hot for. I'm sure you're aware of who he was death. And what he said was very very he was an anti nazi and he was actually hanged by the nazis in nineteen forty five but but ban hafiz said something he said when we're talking about a lot of these governments that silent during these really bad times and then now they're saying things to instigate problems. He said that silence. The face of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us. Guiltless not to being is to speak not to act is to act. And mrs what we see happening here and it's just getting it seems to be getting worse and worse and what we have to do is start healing start bringing the groups together. Stop with these these divisive remarks and while they are they they have their own political. Agendas not very distressful thing. Because you know it's a lot of this stuff goes back a long long time to way an effort. That was made this. Actually when i had mentioned this once before a many times over the last sixty years there has been a major attempt to destabilize and to demoralize this country by the kgb. Then now the fsp and you know this is. We discussed this during the pious. The twelfth research. That we were doing. I mean all the one thousand nine hundred fifty died in nineteen fifty eight nine hundred sixty three. We saw the russians act to destroy his reputation and very very effectively and that we owned them. This one man. I'm urging all of your listeners to google this guy. His name is yori. Bismuth the easy m. e. n. o. v. your investment was a high ranking kgb agent. Who defected in. One thousand. nine hundred seventy two. The united states gave nineteen eighty-four interviews. With about how the kgb at that time and now the fsp is working to destabilise this country and this has been going on for over sixty years And it impacts everything but if you listen to this this guy and he died in nineteen ninety-three really is a warning. But it's something you really need to to see if you want to understand why all of this is happening and why is is this so much hatred in why is this so much division and why is why people disrespecting the flag in the country and this is. This is the reason. This was the the effect of this. We've got three generations of of people who have gone to you. Know spend sixty thousand dollars a semester to go to school to be educated by teaches. We've been impacted by this and these people embedded will all over the country. That's why you see these very very bad Remarks and ten and terrible statements that are being made to Exacerbate and try to make this situation a bad situation worse teaches it inculcates a hate of the country and the hatred of fellow man. And even your own family. Were i mean. It's it's it's the most insidious gary it's awful and you know if you listen to the interview. One thousand nine hundred four interview He's he's telling you he says look. This has been going on for years and the was says. How can we stop this. He said you would have to start right now. And it's going to take you forty years to get two generations of patriotic mont patriotic minded students and so to rebuild the country. Now when i went to school know seventy three of age. I went to school. I said the pledge of allegiance every day. We'd have assembling. We would say the psalms in public school And we would have this. This respect believe it or not we. We have schools today. These kids don't even know what the pledge of allegiance since its and then you see some of these actions were. They're disrespecting the flag and so on and these this is the effect of the destabilizing and demoralizing of this country. By at that time the russians the the kgb and the fsp and by the way when he talks he mentioned says he said that eighty five percent of their budget when espionage is based on this exact process of destabilising demoralising their enemy and they do it affect on their players. Very very very very smart. It's just a sec here. Gary last year the vatican announced it had reopened its archives to scholars just as the pandemic shut them down but not without controversy. there was an eruption. A few documents were released out of context. What's the current status of the archives. These the that world war two period. And what are you predict will be found there regarding the efforts of pious the twelfth on the hash half of the jewish people i will we found the all kinds are open now. I spoke to them yesterday. Actually they are you know with restrictions in number of people that can go into the archives. But what happened was they was one little document which was already known that was blown up by a critic of pious the twelfth all over the place all over the world and so on and it was absolutely repudiated by the scholars that we have dealt with the professor napolitano professor johan x. And what's happening now. Is that for example. The the with historical archives the secretary of state professor x had a he just wrote a very very complex books on pious from the jews and all of the work that the pope had done to to save jewish lives and this is because he knew as the archivist for many archives. He had all of these documents but he couldn't release the life he couldn't speak about them until the the embargo was lifted. It is coming. Everything is happening with very very positive. And i have to point something out win that real scholars and we're not really not experts as much as we may. Some may think we are what we did. Which a lot of these so-called historians did not do is that we went to different diocese. We went to a c. compagno. We went to austria to vienna went to different devices and we went into their archives and we asked to see what time documents we found. Tens of thousands of what time documents before the archives were opened free to to learn about this end Some of them are very very effective especially the actions of the twelfth on october sixteenth. Nineteen forty three with the invasion of the jewish shegeto. When they were the arrest of the jews we he acted immediately to end the arrest. Two o'clock the same day they started and then proceeded to hide and requested hiding the jews which were actually up to twelve thousand in rome throughout italy. And throughout all of ecclesiastical houses have proof of this and this came from the little individual Archives with for example augustinian. None of a handwritten diary entry in the one thousand nine forty three was asked by the holy father to protect the jews and named the jewish people that they took in handwritten. These documents information has been available for decades. but nobody. Nobody's bothered to long. That's the frustrating part about this perpetuating this some you know this terrible Reputation and destruction of pies the twelve name his good name in his his petition. It would say. I i disagree with you. I gary crop. I think you are a scholar. You've gone into these archives when others wouldn't and you revealing the truth that is a scholar. And i thank you for doing it. Thank you for your insights as well. We'll check up with you in the days ahead Gary krupp the president to pave the way foundation you can follow him at pt w. s. dot org and on twitter at gerry crop. Thank you gary. thanks so much and take care. thank you covid. Nineteen vaccines from pfizer and mma dern were rolled out at the end of last year and more vaccines are on the way. There's been a great deal of uncertainty and confusion about the safety of those vaccines and were they manufactured and tested ethically. And what should catholics. Keep in mind when considering which vaccine to take here to separate fact from fiction is the director of education at the national catholic bioethics center. Father tadpole chick father happy new year. Thanks for being with us. The pfizer and modern vaccines both used cell lines during laboratory testing derived from an abortion but neither used the abortion derived cell lines in the actual production of the vaccine. Is that morally acceptable than for catholics to take them. Well you see raymond. You're right in making that distinction. Because i think a lot of people say to themselves if i'm going to get the jab in the arm and what i get put inside me had some contact with the cells. That seems worse than if they were involved in. Just some lateral side testing that occurred so That distinction is something that has been discussed quite a bit in the wake of the development of all of these vaccines and the church in general is saying to people when there is this association with cell lines from abortion. If you have access to a vaccine that is more distantly connected or not connected at all. That obviously would be a preferable choice to for example a vaccine that's actually manufactured using the cell lines so we want to keep some distance from the to the extent that that's possible but in some cases it may not be possible and what the vatican has said recently is in the face of a proportionate reason you can receive these vaccines even if they were produced in that manner by relying on the cell lines from abortions and both pope benedict and pope francis have received the vaccine this week. Why would a pharmaceutical company use an abortion derived cell line to develop a vaccine. Just curious you know. The reason is believe it or not simple utility in other words these cell lines. They have become distributed everywhere. Their ubiquitous researchers at universities use them farm. Big pharma uses them. Everybody's just kind of gotten used to it and that's a that's a shame this is really i think this covid nineteen pandemic offers us an opportunity to push back against that. More people are realizing. Oh there's a connection to abortion. I had no clue. And this is what you know at the center at the national catholic bioethics center were encouraging people. Write letters to the manufacturer of these vaccines pushback in other ways. Make it clear that this is something that is an affront to conscience. We shouldn't be having science rely upon cell lines that came from direct abortions. Even if it's true which it is that those abortions happened in the last century they were the only two cell lines that are used for vaccine productions and those abortions happened in nineteen seventy two and in one thousand nine hundred eighty five. So it's a long time ago but nonetheless it's still not fair to all of us as end users to rely on those cell lines. Now there were about fifteen companies making this covid nineteen vaccine which is why it's hard to track them of which six of those are using a boarded derived cell lines in the development production of the vaccine itself. Now i have a chart. I want the audience to see kenna catholic or anyone. Who's not interested in receiving a vaccine. That's been produced with these abortion derived cells. Can they request vaccine from a company or different company based on their religious beliefs. And who should they go with. What's the safe vaccine. What's the vaccine your recommending here. Well you know at this point raymond. We don't actually have that many choices so I think that's going to change in coming months. We're going to have more and more coming into the market and you know we don't each country is going to be a little bit different. So for example in brazil you will have access to a chinese manufactured cova vaccine. That vaccine is not available in the us. What people should do is check the availability. I of what are their options. And there's going to have to be an assessment for each individual about you. Know how much risk am i at and certainly for the elderly population. They are at higher risk. The statistics indicate that quite clearly and definitively and they are good candidates to be first in line to get this vaccine so they should talk with their doctors find out what is available and if they have some choices then they check and consult for example with the chart that you mentioned and choose the one that has the least association but if they don't have a choice you know and sometimes there's another issue here. Raymond which is that. Not all these vaccines have the same efficacy. We've seen numbers above ninety percent for the moderna and meanwhile for astrazeneca it appears it's more in the range of sixty maybe seventy percent so that can affect the decision by an individual. If they're saying you know. I only want to get vaccinated once and i wanna be sure. It has the best chance of working Then that will be part of weighing those proportionate reasons forgetting vaccinated with a particular manufacturers vaccine. Pope francis received his first notes as i mentioned earlier. The covid vaccine this week in an interview with the talian media on sunday he had this to say about people taking the vaccine. he said. I believe that ethically everyone should be vaccinated because you're playing with your health life and also with the lives of others. I don't know why someone is saying no that the vaccine is dangerous but if the doctors are introducing it as something that will work and that doesn't have special dangerous why not take it. There is a suicidal negativism. That i'm not able to explain but today the vaccine needs to be taken father tad that sounds an awful lot like a mandate from the pope. Maybe on a first glance but i think what he's really saying is if the risks here are low and it appears to be safe as confirmed by extensive testing. This affords a very helpful benefit to public health. And it means that all of us should look at this closely and he's also mentioning the kind of suicidal negatively. I think was the phrase. You mentioned. That sometimes people have a kind of generalized fear or hesitation around vaccines without carefully. Scrutinizing the incredible advantages and blessings really that they have brought to all of our health to public health generally father tan. Have you seen any data on what these vaccines might do to our natural innate immune system and reaction and resistance to covert itself. I mean what does it do to t t cell immune individuals and what might that impact be. Do we know well. I would say at this point. The early testing that has been done has been on fairly large groups meaning tens of thousands of people and thus far there have not been significant contra indications significant problems or side effects now. Does that mean that there won't be in the future that you can never say with certainty. So could this trigger some abberant. Immune response is later in a few people. Yes that is possible. You know in the past there have been some vaccines that have been developed not for covert but for other things and one or two of those had some complications like one of them in maybe one out of a hundred thousand people so super rare caused narcolepsy where people would suddenly fall asleep and lose control kind of brain problems. But you know that kind of thing at a rate of one to one hundred thousand. It's pretty uncommon and it makes a lot of sense with a good safety profile otherwise to still look seriously at that possibility of getting vaccinated across the country more than Nine point three million vaccine doses have been administered Out of a total of twenty seven point six million that were distributed now. The trump administration on tuesday announced several big changes to its covid nineteen distribution strategy. They're calling on states to expand immediately the pool of people eligible to receive these vaccines to those sixty five and older and those with underlying health conditions the second changes that vaccine doses originally given to states based on their total adult population. Starting in the next two weeks will now be distributed. Based on the number of people who are over sixty five years of age now the goal is to have a million people vaccinated in the us per week. Is that a reasonable goal. Father for vaccine distribution fru. That's a hard question i think. That's a logistical type question. And i think part of the idea here is that we don't want to see vaccine samples going to waste and there are some some challenges here in the sense that some of these vaccines require a double dose. And you and i both know it can be hard enough to get people to show up for the first dose much less the second dose. And so you don't have a situation where you're sort of holding in reserve that second dose and then people don't show up and then you know you don't utilize them and have to throw them away because some of them do degrade with time so it makes sense here to try to accelerate this as much as possible. I mean the specific number. You cite really will depend on you know. Are we going to go to the local drug stores and use them as outlets. Are we going to be setting up large venues in which people can easily get access. How difficult is it going to be. For example if people have to go to a website and sign up all kinds of information ahead of time in the website is crashing. And maybe they're elderly on top of it and they don't even know how to use computers that's going to you know push people away from getting vaccinated rapidly so a logistical question. And it makes sense to reduce unnecessary barriers. This week disneyland. You saw was turned into a covert vaccine distribution center. So i guess they're gonna use these big venues that are basically empty now to move people through. That seems to me a smart strategy moving to a different topic. Father before we go. Pope francis made some news this week. He issued a motor appropriate on monday. Modifying canon law regarding women's access to the ministries of lector and acolyte in the documents spiritus domini. The pope changed church law. So that women can formally be instituted. As lay ministers of lector and acolyte those ministries rather the pope modified the freeze in canon to thirty of the code of canon law from laymen to lay persons however he stipulates the conferment of such a role does not entitle them to support or remuneration from the church. Father you've served as a parish priest pastor. What are your thoughts i mean. We've seen women lectures for decades in the church. What does this really change yeah. I'm not sure that it changes a lot. It seems in one sense that it is an effort to convey Kind of goodwill towards the important contributions that women make in the church but i think it does raise this kind of question that comes up every so often in the church. Raymond and i'm sure you run into a lot is. Is it important for us to kind of lay assize clergy You know have clergy become administrators and handle kind of worldly things and do the opposite with to clara kalis the lay people and turn them into kind of pseudo ministers is that really the appropriate role and direction here that the church should be moving or perhaps when we're talking about the the unique contributions of women That here we identify that they do indeed have some very particular gifts that that benefit the whole church and promote those you know in other ways apart from specific kinds of ministerial designations like this which may be even potentially on the superficial side. We'll leave it there. Father tad thank you for your commentary and you can learn more about those ethical profiles of the covid vaccines on the national catholic bioethics center website in cb center dot org also tweet out that chart we had earlier. Thank you so much for the ted. Thank you so much great to be with you. Raymond really enjoyed it. Thank you and the world is now. Available as a podcast. You can download us at. I tunes apple podcasts spotify. That's all the time we have for now. Be sure to catch us next week. Until then we'll be scouring the world over for all that is seen and unseen on behalf of the staff and crew. Vw t on news. Thank you for watching. I'm raymond royal.

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ASSAULT ON CAPITOL HILL: Domestic Terrorist Attack

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ASSAULT ON CAPITOL HILL: Domestic Terrorist Attack

"It did not hello. Welcome to the pop tall podcast. I'm your host chauncey julius and today we're going to talk about the capitol hill rioted on january six twenty twenty one This was actually recorded the day after on the seven. And we're gonna unpack this topic with our guest rachel williams. She has some awesome thought. She actually my my sister-in-law. She has some awesome thoughts in the paint about the tax. That happened that day. Believe there's a lot of thought provoking value in today's show. Let's get into it but man a lot going on in the world today. Yes yes it is. I mean it definitely feels like these are well you know. I can't say that. I'm surprised. But i can't say that it It definitely feels like these. Are some uncharted territories. Absolutely this is. This is like like nothing. Nothing at week witnessed in our time. You know right right. Yeah yeah and so. This is definitely definitely crazy Just a quick question like is what we're witnessing at the capitol yesterday with even even with you know just the way that the whole electoral process is being questioned in called into question now. Are we witnessing like the fall of rome. Would you say that you know. I've seen a lot of people say that. What was that a movie. It has twelve iterations of jamie. Foxx olympus has fallen. London is everybody's right. And i definitely think that this is a time in which we have to kind of perk our ears up. I don't know if i would necessarily say that. Rome has fallen. Especially as somebody who's been black in america right like as a black black american we've been living through turmoil toils and snares as the old song says since they snatched us from africa so for me i just looked at it and said it's not my fight at all upset but there's another day in america and so you know i think it's it is it is important for us to kind of take watch and take heed telling. I think it shows two black and brown people especially that the rules with we always knew to be true. The rule didn't necessarily a flash to us that the criminal justice system was created to further imprison further subjugate further oppress black and brown folks. That is a benefit to white folks and it particular white men and so. I don't know if i would necessarily say that. Elizabeth has fallen out. I will say that we are in a time where we are having to be vigilant to to assess our surroundings. But i mean again if you look at how. Our country was founded. We started off doing really crazy stuff right. Like taking the land from the people Enslaved in our dr putting the japanese in internment camps of world war two. I mean. I honestly i don't have the liberty to look at this as some sort of. Oh my gosh. It's chaos moment because my whole life we were born. We were born in chaos man. I couldn't have said it better myself. I had a leader in my life. A mentor my life. Used to say this. He said cianci. If it doesn't start right it's gonna be hard for the finish right and the way that this country kind of kicked off. You know he got kicked off on the wrong foot. You know even you know. Abraham lincoln even said that if this democracy is gonna live on paraphrasing. You know we. We have to do away with slavery we half in and i feel like he was speaking towards a larger narrative. It's like man we can't have to go back to the drawing board and look at the way that this country was founded and man. I think there's a lot of truth there. Lot of truth there I noted they're playing with words. I'm looking at fox news and looking at msnbc and looking at cnn and you know the spin game right. The spin doctors are out in full force. In what. What would you call this with what you call them. Protesters was this. A coup attempt was insurrection. What what what what. What do we see yesterday. Yeah yeah and and you know full disclaimer. I am not a political scholar. I am domestic by nature. So all of this is my own conjecture. In and opinion i have. But you know you know. It's a great question. And what would. I always wanted to things and for for folks. Who don't know you are my brother in law and we have been in conversation with my mom and one of the things that always my mom is that she has always taught me to think critically. And so wouldn't you. I challenge folks to do in terms of what this is. I'll go back to my critical thinking skills from philosophy class. And you know. I know most of us. It's been many many years since. I've been a philosophy But one of the things that we think about critical thinking it does it. Does it pass. The sniff test is this really wanted. That is and so you know. I look at this and think you know we look at the facts and and in my job we deal in facts and evidence and so when we look at those facts a lot of the behaviors that are current leader in a lot of the republican party have Have exhibited have been actually legal there where they skirted that line but when we think about the activties of yesterday the actions exhibited many i think of the activities meet what the bare bones definition of a coup they taught is But again there's a lot of different versions of coups. And i won't go into the details of the different types of clues. But a lot of the actions exhibited week different definitions of what a coup is but here. I think we can say you. Know when we think about rebel coups or dissident actions or popular revolt When we think about that you know when the folks storm the capital At that precise moment knowing that it was going to be announced that the president loss and it will formalization process where they were would. They were made to stop county that that needs to be the sniff test of at least an attempted coup. You know what i mean and you know but i also think there's a conversation about this time that i've been seeing a lot of the commentators us with is called sedition and i hadn't really heard that word until i started reading the news and watching the news And so you know for those of you who are like me that steeped in political rigor and candor. A sedition is defined as conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of government. Now owl's critical thinking skills right right. Most people can reasonably deduce that the rhetoric from trump and his folks meets that low level definition So you know when when we think about all of these behaviors assad I think about it like this. So while they might meet these definitions. I think the common denominator here is that these people are all white people for the most part ninety percent of these folks. We saw the police officers. I know i had friends who were in the capitol building our friends who are police officers. Who were summoned to go to to go up there. And we saw the opening the gates for the protesters. We saw them letting them in we all these protesters protest right right now. Now they're not protesters. They're they're to me. They're domestic terrorists. I mean you wanna to don't wanna call it what it is. I mean joe biden. Tv today in this press conference. He called them domestic terrorists because it is what it is right. He called them thugs. Yes and i think the common again. That common denominator here is that these are mostly white people and so we would not necessarily the rhetoric the language that's being used would never be given to black and brown people And so i think why we can call them domestic terrorism. We can say that they're gonna they're leading coup or a sedition in all of that. I've just have little faith that we're actually gonna see punishment fits the crime or even punishment that will be used to destroy from attempting something like that right so so oftentimes. In the criminal justice system judges will make Make examples out of folks right still get people forty years for a bag of weed and say you know. I want to make an example strike. Writing wrong here agree well. Let's let's let's check our messages and see what the streets very much like. Rome is falling. Because i think rome was never attacked from the outside it imploded and this is just the beginning. We imploding. definitely point. I think that is a really good point. I was reading not that this is related. But i have a lot of different reading things and i was reading a conflict of a post about the demise of the kardashian family and they're like flat and they've made a release similar. A point that tweezers made which is that the employees had to come within right so it had to come within that family so in that case it was. I believe courtney kardashian. That kinda was like enough is enough. I'm putting the stop to this. But if we look at this i definitely think that that you know it is part of that Internal implosion but again i like to. I'm a history lover. I love studying history. I can just sit and listen to watch period pieces all the time into me at the miller behaviors when we think about the way in which people reacted act the civil war when we think about the way in which You know during civil rights in jim crow. And and all of that so i. I agree with with tweezers at some point. I do think that it is some sort of. I think it's a reckoning. I think we've been in sit. Sits trayvon martin was murdered. I think this flow bird right. And i think that's where we're at. I wouldn't necessarily be in my opinion. I don't necessarily see it as a big implosion is america better. Is this just a a translated phrase. Another translated phrase from make america great again right and make america great again. If you're saying we're so much better. Are we so much better. Well and i think that's a great point right. And i'm not saying that we are living because i have friends who have immigrated here from countries where i mean. They can't even go outside without a phone being dropped. So so hear me. When i say and from from from a military family right i value the ability to be be able to have this type of conversation right without fear of being murdered sent to siberia so i think are some ways in which you know we we are benefiting we we live in a country where we are able to have a dissension and conversation but it is to say when we say. This is not america. I always go back. For whom because regardless of that. I think about my my. Maternal grandmother was born a sharecropper and she was born in a time where you know lynching was a thing and people turned a blind eye. My mother grew up in a civil rights era. They will want to host the people now. I say. I live in an era where i fear for the labs of my black husband and my my my my family because we don't know other police gonna just storm in the house one day. 'cause they got a bad tip so so i think we can it like with any type of relationship and i think that's the other thing i was thinking about this recently about my love letter to the country i live in right like we can be in a relationship with someone and we can really want the best with them and you can provide a no even in your own situation right like your own marriage. You can provide feedback to your your significant other and it can be really great feedback. It doesn't necessarily mean that they're a horrible person but it means that we need you to do these things in order to better our relationship right say that the relationship is all bad. We've had some good times. I e rock obama get nominated i e stacey abrams carrion the whole country on her vast clips right. So it's not to say it's not that we haven't had a but is to say that i need you to do better in here. Are the ways in which you better do. Better absolutely insane. I'm thinking about you know you know. I've i've had the tv on all day. And just have my ears glued to podcasts. in in in what have you in the seems like the republicans are considering taking drastic actions. You know they're looking at drastic options as well just not the republicans across the aisle in the democratic party as well. They're looking at Invoking the twenty fifth minute which is just pretty much getting him out office getting the vice president in there for the remainder of the thirteen days that he has left in. This is just crazy. What what are your thoughts on. Invoking the twenty sixth amendment. Yeah you i again. I think the theme of today's critical thinking right right in the. I'm sorry to cut you off but to be specific is pretty much that section four and section section four of of the amendment. Where's talking about temporarily transferring power to the vice president in cases where they'll beat you know where they see that. The president is pretty much fit for office in unfit jam. Yeah and i definitely you know somebody who works in a criminal justice system. I look at it kind of like that right. So for example if a prosecutor brings a case forward and say they bring this case forward Do they have all the evidence to support the claim that it should be boat. I also think to how many grievances right like how many grievances have been aired about this man. I saw after he made fun of the man with the disability. That would be it then. I thought what he told people. He was grabbing them by the pete. I thought that. I think for most people if if they can find the legal way make it stick shore. I think that that's an option. But but again i also was thinking about it to our folks glennon. Play the long game here. So if we think about the pros and cons of of invoking this will it cause would it hurt a case once. He's out of office of them getting him on his taxes or other violations again. Not a political person. I don't necessarily know how the law right now. I kind of. I was thinking about that too. Do we wanna let the mayor ride it out. I mean in theory. he's done. he's done. A bunch of horrible thing was thirteen more days. Or do we say what. Finally it didn't take him making fun of people with disabilities. It didn't take him not turning over his tax formation. It didn't take him saying he has done. You know Assault type thing. That didn't take. I mean could name all of the things he's done it didn't take all man but it took a bunch of white people storm in the capital and making off feeling safe right. Because that's the other thing that i have found to be true about this time. Even kind of thinking about the work that i do is not into the white people are made to feel uncomfortable. And they are now What's the word. I'm looking for inconvenience that. I've seen action take place right but it didn't necessarily other things. Were not direct actions on and so i. I don't know if i have an answer today right. Do we have the evidence. Do we have the facts to say. Okay this is what it takes the meet its threshold. Here are here are all of the ways in which he did that here. Know you know. Read articles today about you. Know the the right saying that. You have to be careful when you start throwing the twenty-fifth amendment out there because if you start a president a president where you are removing chiefs you know. The the president by what we perceive as a mental disability is a standard that can be easily abused. And so. That's something that we want to start. We want to open up that box. Exactly in who's to say that the next person it's fit and proper but it's a black woman and they they just don't like that it's a black woman so they come up with messed up charges as she needs to be removed. Or you agree with that. It is a dangerous precedent. And that's why i think again. We have to really think critically about what. What is the the goal. Were trying to solve a. That's one of the things. I always think about when i spoke. What is the goal. Were trying to solve a we. Try to get him out. Are we trying to make him accountable for the the grievances he's done. What is that. Only a lot of folks believe that is is is about a constitutional fault. Others believed that his character fault. You know Is it one of the other is a both and i believe that is both an. I think it's a bit of the constitution Like failing to address just assuming that people are going to concede in that. They're you know they. They had this audacious dream that you know and so thirteen days left. You know remain in office. He's a he's probably the he's gonna go down in history as the most notorious. What is sitting. Duck that we we've ever had and so do you believe that. The president is unfit to lead. Should he be relieved of duty is in danger is he. Plays in the my retain. The man was unfit the first president ever back. In what twenty. Fifteen twenty fourteen like again. I think people want this to be some sort of dramatic. Oh my god. We had no idea he was this crazy. When was right with people to colored. Believe them right and so our kids matter any sort of shocked in palm it because i we i thought from the beginning and you and all black people are in all black people. But i'm steven for all black. People didn't know and who else i believe was able to to to tell you that this was problematic is domestic violence victims and survivors and victim ammunition because if they haven that he has exhibited over the course of the last three and a half for almost four years are all behaviors of an abuser of abusive person and so again when people people who have lived in fear people who believed in chaos in that sort of kind of environment we we know and people know and you know it definitely Is he unfit again. Not as not a psychologist. I feel a little more confident. I speak on that board. The behaviors that have been exhibited are exempt or behaviors. That i would say. I would never want to see in the leader whether they are the president of the world or they run all you know a small business. These are not behaviors. You would expect from someone in a leadership position. And i think is buried telling i agree and man very telling you know i you know when i when i looked to the office of presidency. I look to a place where i can point towards. I turn to my children in point towards and say listen. This is a standard that you can strive for right not only career wise professionally but something that you should strive towards also characterized. That is something that you should strive for however feel like keys on that whole pitcher. He's he's he's got destroyed revealed that and i feel like President-elect biden is really trying to do you know he's hitting the ground running with changing the narrative and changing that picture of of the presidency back to at least what we know is normal. His facebook account has been indefinitely blocked right and so and i think twitter shut it down for twenty four hours. We have four dead four dead car in the capitol building yesterday. Things like what ashley babbitt. She was shot and killed thirty-five year old air force in like some quote unquote Like emergencies and so one right and so And they subsequently died this is. This is his legacy. This is what he will be remembered for. This will be snowballed into his legacy. No i was just thinking. I just keep going back to that. Kill margaret quote from a black panther. Is this y- okay really And i think it's very telling the see the people who are still supporting still willing you. You mean to tell me. You're willing to fly halfway across the country battle in risk coded to go out there and support someone who he really doesn't necessarily. It's almost like when people talk about the right. You don't care nothing about you accepting the copa propaganda exactly and so they show up for this. Presidential rally tries the capital. Go back to their whole tale. Wake up the next day. Eat a continental breakfast and nothing happens earlier. That's not if that's not a picture. Perfect illustration of privilege in this country. Yes i don't know what it is don't know it is it definitely is. I mean. know if people don't understand what white privilege is. I really do think that they can can can use this. As an example of it it really pays a clear and and telling picture. I think there's the there needs to be a from top down but we have a message. Let's see destroy these talk about. Why do you think it was ok in allowed that this president acted more of a dictator then president of a democracy so thanks for joining us. Appreciate dramatic great question. I think he just real quick. Just give you can get your thoughts. But i think that. He thinks that he's always been that way. And that's his only leadership style. You know that we see the apprentice reality. Tv show told us so much about his character so much about his personality that prior to i know in the hip hop community he was a hero he. He was the the pinnacle of success. You know we wanna we wanna ball. Like donald trump. You heard in the lyrics. I read forgot. What's today talking about trump tower. Yup i know. They're probably rolling pocking. Biggie they talked about it. Probably rolling over there. My thing is you know at one. There was appointed time where he was revered in in. And when that reality. Tv show hit the heirs. We were kind of looking line. He's different and then he after lucky took that same caricature into his presidency and is being played out in it. It doesn't translate well the other part about that. I think that's a phillies. Great point that you bring up the other point is to. He represents the feelings of so many people were often problematic. People went under an obama presidency. Didn't they went underground and people. H here's the alleged that thing fester right and even against some right and lavar. Wellington for a third time lay under obama and so. I don't necessarily think that epic it was allowed to act. Because he's just he's he's frog enough to say what everybody else is feeling right like that White chicks a scene where they got the bar wayne is a song you said it but you right like he's that it they thought it and it's okay with them because they were all feeling it absolutely. I agree wanna shift gears here a little bit. man you have trump supporters domestic terrorists breaching the security gates capital cops. Some of them opened the door taking sell fees with with with these individuals. Some of them even read speed house. Nancy pelosi's office uh-huh set behind her desk picked up. Her fall. Went through files kick their feet up. There was individuals who is actually sitting in the chair where the press were were. The vice president is in the rally. They they they they disrespected america's house right was this breaches security. You know think about your confidential the confidential files that were may have been present a me. Everything was just disposal like nothing stopping them. Not even the security. That was present. Nothing stopped them from doing what they wanted to do. And so i think that brings up a question. What was this a breach of national security. Here's the thing about breaches breaches tend to happen. When there's a gap in the system. But wasn't there was there a gap in the system or did the system work exactly like it was supposed to work. Where you add. Conflict it wipes white people in power. Who but hurt and angry and they allow for their cousin. Chuck and larry the goal. An access information so i guess in the sense of likes like edward snowden accessed breach shore. I guess you could call it a breach. I look at it as a. It wasn't a breach it was. It was an inside job like it was from within as the the the first person you know said so i think they all need to be held accountable as a slow the book at them make them make them make them a make an example out of them just just like you do with the kid on the point store with a little bit of drug and his pockets and a cinema. Let them let them let them get the full extent of the law. And that's what i'm waiting on. I'm waiting on mugshots com. Like like like. I don't understand. But i stand where cops aren't being arrested in charged and convicted. But i can't hard to stomach. I can't i won't say. I can't stomach but it's hard to stomach. America that want prosecute in in the book it the perpetrators who stone the capitol building. I just yeah. And i look at it to like this. I think there are some some police out there who are probably feeling like i know and you can probably speak better to this than i can. Having a military background right. You want somebody to have your six. You want somebody to have your in spelt understand. The pressures are the pressure. A lot of our you know police folks based in that you know i might be a cop but i also wanna make sure that when i'd get out in this deal and something happened. They have my six they have. My back is so. I think the system again whether or not i think we say it like this right like not all cops are are bad cops but all kinds of benefit from corrupt white supremacist system. So i think this is a place in which we're going to have to really assess and do some thinking and say okay. Well what were you doing during the situation. Now he's the right and there. There's a difference between the cop who opened the gate and said come on in. We're open for business and the other cop who may be sauce something a blind advocacy didn't feel sick right. I think that's where we're going to have to do some assessment but but it is to say from from the the lowest level person to the highest level person. It kind of reminds me of like war crimes right like what was your role in this. And do we give you mercy. Because that's the one thing that for someone who loves to watch unrealistic law and order. There are times where you know. The the that's the thing about justice. Justice should always allow from mercy. It should always allow a grace but windham that speaking grace say you know what we're going to give you some mercy but you still have to pay for the crimes who did. Absolutely i wholeheartedly agree. I just feel like there needs to be some sort of accountability To the capitol. Cops you know that that was taken sell thieves with trump supporters. Billy i know they talked about firing the The chief of the on capitol police right Because of how it was handled and then authority in empower those cops. I saw clips of a black capital police officer who was holding an angry mob at bay with his radio right his radio then he took a couple of steps back. Then you pick up a time. And he was waving time at twenty thirty. Something peop- angry terrorists. Let's just call them what they are right. And so he's running up the stairs man. He's radio for help. He's run up in there chasing him up the stairs. This is america. This isn't eric people out. If you think this is over you better think again. -actly exactly especially if is is is being unmet with justice. There's no justice there. If i need to see with all the technology that we have in this country i don't need to see post in a cry coming over the news outlets that says If you have pitchers of our if you know of any of the people who know you know who's who let's be clear. This is the most secure one of the most secure building where you ain't gonna walk into this. You can't even walk into this building without your purse being screen without your wallet screen. Like let's be clear but they were just able to just said it wasn't a break right and i was just even thinking too i. I usually go to the capital. Some form of government building. Maybe five times a year do you know how. Many pairs nail clippers lost over the last year. Much much sales. I i had a bag of chips in my bag. One time they took the bag of chips you mean does it was some play lays and anybody play was burnell that you can assess that but you can't use and let the people come in and you know i was facebook earlier and somebody said let's let's talk about all of the different places that are more secure apparently in the capital as somebody posted the key to the bathroom at a gas station right like you want to shoot at almost give blood to get the gas basic teach so so nothing about this. Big about this is is is to me on. That is not orchestrated that this was not people again. It might have been a police officer but that was his cousin. Chuck let it right. So right riot doesn't really give me any sort of comfort or or indication that i think this is gonna end up the way it is and then the other piece i wanted to make two is thinking about when you. You're you're really great. Point about like data and privacy. I don't know how many times you know. I talked with domestic violence victims. And i'm like okay. You know your information is on a people search site those your abusive partner know your password. Does your abusive have you. Have you given your contact information to. Cbs have you gone through a whole like data is out there so super them to say we don't know who these people are. First of all most of. I'm pretty confident metropolitan. Police probably have body worn cameras. Where was your body. War camera people on video. You can't i mean i again. I do think there is going to have to beat the police work done. But the ways in which they pass into I gotta take my shoes off now when i go to the airport because there was one one attempted shoe box those e. We've changed the way in with people flat on an airplane. But you paint narrow down who these terrorists are on our own american soil who you probably has a principal who probably have some sort of of a criminal record who may have some sort of public data from the cameras from the body worn cameras. Anything okay fine. Nothing and these are the same people who burnt hillary at stake for email off. It'd be clear in. This is a blatant security breach. Like come on man. We can't we can't have this. I feel like there's more there's more people in more parties that need to be held accountable than just the people who storm capitol hill has to be to see a bully right in the building but then you have standards who filmed it or put it on worldstar. Awful need to be held accountable. So if you to happen everybody pick them all in and then my my problem. Is this this. And this is another issue yet to hear the law and order phrase be attached to what we saw yesterday and i wonder why like is this. Is there a difference between what we saw. Yesterday at the capitol building versus the black lives matter protests of twenty twenty. I think that mean again critical thinking black lives matters protesting the fact that you are killing in the street the law and order that you so call say you're about you don't give you don't be that same first of all. You're not your own executioner. So you should see the ones making the decision when you sue somebody now again. The police put one of the most dangerous call. Police officer can go wanted domestic violence case. So i'm not saying that lives are not what i am saying that we compare it to me is apples and oranges. Black lives matter. We're protesting the fact that we wanna be able to go out in the street and be able to to be among family and friends. We want to be able to the same way. Those people were able to walk into capital. all willy. nilly like What was his name in. New york couldn't even sell loose cigarette War can't go to bag of chips in a sweet tea. Get a toy gun. So i- anyone who was trying to make that comparison. I yeah yeah. Eric garner and so. I don't think we can necessarily make that comparison. I will say you know. People are gonna say well looting and rioting wrong on both accounts but in jesus is the difference between still some jordan's in that kick your feet up on the death of the speak the united states speaker of the house. Yes yes yes and a windows is crazy. I think people wanna make it the same because they wanna feel they wanna feel like it Both a wrong right when we talk about morality with I think we can look at it and say you know what we weren't protesting in the streets until y'all started murdering us so maybe let's stop murdering people without probable calls of due diligence. Because i even keep thinking about brianna taylor right. Maybe if y'all had done your job appropriately right and had the appropriate search for it you wouldn't we wouldn't be in this situation so that's what we're asking for y'all just mad because you'll you'll person loss. I look at it like any time. Somebody writes in boston when the red sox lose and ab out on the 'cause it don't take much. i'm thinking this was the black lives. matter protests. And if these were black matter terrorists it would have been a lot bloodier also. It would have been a lot more blood spilt in the streets. And i think that's something that we have to look at when you have domestic terrorists fighting capital police actually putting their hands on enforces of the law. People were there to protect you and nothing is done. We have to take a fair and honest. Look at this like man. This is this is. There's something not right about. It is is like back in the day right back in elementary schools. Like the that work. She wears like they give your pitcher in one of these things are not like the others all like some something isn't like the of you know. Yeah but i feel like you can't compare in oslo clip on the news last night where you know they were trying to compare. I think it was Fox news where they said. This isn't the first time that you know. The capital has there's been protests and rioting in the capital and they show some clips right after that it was like we're gonna We got some some video footage to show you and so they showed the video like montage in these are industry protests from around the country. They weren't even any see from around the country and then show you know what happened yesterday. And they had to come behind him to say we're not trying to say that they're the same the but it's like why did you show it then because the difference between the two you know the black lives matter movement and i'm more a fan of the movement than i am the organization however those are two different things in the. The rioting was different. I feel like there's just something different when you are stopping the democratic process in this country. You are interrupting the electoral process of this country. I feel like that's something totally different. That is treason right. That's treason. that's that's that's there should be some type of repercussions your citizenship. Should be revoked. That's that's you being a trader ride. You no longer agree. That's you that's an act of secession. Where you want your own country you no longer want to comply with the like. I feel like there's a difference that you know point. It was a a protest. It was a peaceful protest in at some point. Yesterday it evolved into something different. And that's what we're seeing. And i agree with that and i you know. I think the punishment of of having their stripped of their rights is is too lenient. Make them live as a black man in america's dale life sentence right if you really want to work with us. I work in a juvenile detention center. So i'm working with gen z. Right and i'm working with the future of america. And i think about their engagement and turn events their engagement and politics engagement in just the things that are gonna matter in the next twenty the next ten years for them right the next in some cases the next five years for them is gin. See gen z. Gen z. black black america. Prepare for what's currently happening in this country. You know when. I think about like are they. More concerned with tiktok follows. Are you know you feel like they're they're prepare for what was going on in this country. And what's gonna continue to happen in this country if leaders don't step up in put into to this i think so i think the children's show lead and i think if you look at the way with movements are happening especially like how the use of twitter is being used to to mobilize tick tock is being made to mobilize them. So i think the kids they definitely are poised to be able to lead. I think as as someone who is. I don't feel old but i am old now. The generation before them. I definitely think that our our due diligence as old folks now that we got to give them the tools to be able to be. But i think you know. See in the work that i do all the time. Where it's it's it's the the next generation who is gathering are edges helena. No that's racist. No best homophobic. No no that's problematic. The way the way we can do better If you look at the the kids from was parkland that was the they're they're leading Looking at Around gun violence and gun control and policy reform looking at the ways in which you know. We're holding people accountable. So i think they're very much poised to lead. And i also think that they they came out the womb fed up right like they came out ready to be vigilant to be to be like no we not about that life and so i think now our job is to let them go out there and do that and sit back and you know what they have the skills we have prepared them to do it. Let them go out there. And do it and i think they're gonna. i think. A lot of this reckoning is happening because of millennial generation who say enough is enough is enough enough is enough. We need accountability as we close. Got a question act. Are we heading towards more unrest or do you think that we're we're. We're we're traveling towards a brighter future. In america the cynic in me is saying this is another thing But you know about hope and having hope in something right because hope is what drives you. Hope is what gives you the ability to say you know what today was not a good day tomorrow. I'm hoping it'll be better. And i think that's kind of where we're at as a country as as a black community that we have had to be hopeful like i said from day one and so all we have is our hope. All we have is our faith all we have is our community and so i wanna believe in my heart that dishes away a in which now we can start. Hold people accountable. We can do a reckoning among ourselves. And i'm hopeful that will not be the end of the conversation but you know i'm poised to see what's next and and and and you know. Make sure that we are continuing the conversations and and connecting and and making sure that you know we as a community are taking care of ourselves. Because i also think too. I would be remiss. If i didn't say that a lot of this stuff is is is trauma is Historical trauma that we have all experienced in our lives. So whether or not we have chris. We're experiencing the historical trauma that has happened in our country for for many generations and so as as a black community. We definitely have to take care of ourselves and you know i have been you know reading the news but then i've been taken you know a couple of hours a day of saying you know what i can't read anything else. I can't let any of my system. And so i think that's important to remember as well have to. Sometimes you gotta cut. Tv off podcasts. Off detoxing reset. He said listen. This been this has been a great time. There's been a great talk. Thank you for you know just sharing a time of your near your evening with us. Now you got a lot to do you know we do have work tomorrow but we appreciate you chiming in and just giving your opinion your thoughts towards what we're seeing in our country currently been it's been good. Thank you for having me. And i'm not really a podcast listener but i guess i'll have to keep checking out the podcast so appreciate you. You have the energy power. Your own daily tune in and have you all on on albany ricky. Bobby blessed rest of the evening. And let's do this again. Let's do this again. Advocate absolutely absolute-. Well that's it for this week's episode of the pop tall podcast. Be sure to subscribe in terms and spotify so that you don't miss our next up so also be sure to follow us on instagram at pop underscored talk podcast to keep up with the latest overpop-. 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Hypocrisy in Full Force

The Sean Hannity Show

1:36:42 hr | 6 months ago

Hypocrisy in Full Force

"Thousands of you of listened my listeners. You've made the switch from your overpriced wireless carrier to pure talk. Usa in the past few months. What does everybody waiting for. You get the exact same service right now. They have special plans. The big carriers will never offer unlimited talk text six gigs of data thirty bucks. A month is go to pure talk. Usa dot com. Enter the promo code sean. You'll save an additional fifty percents starting your first month pure talk. Usa dot com promo code. Sean glad you're with us and write down our toll-free telephone number. We love you to be a part of this. Funniest thing that's going on in the impeachment shift show charade today is that they've got sixteen hours to fill and they do not have sixteen hours worth of material just don't have it and then not gets repetitive. And then it gets you know then. They go off into the weeds here there everywhere. Not none of this is even remotely in any way significant to this case and or the the charge in the trial and and it's just a farce. The whole thing is a farce. It is theater it is a show trial. It is a predetermined outcome. It comes down to three very simple defense issues. And when the defense finally gets to make their arguments it really shouldn't be any more complicated than the constitutionality or thereof. You can't impeach or remove somebody from office. That's already in office next big problem they have is. It's all you know now. All the evidence the fbi investigators court documents congresswoman a cossio cortez videotapes the media mob. All reporting that this is there was plotting and planning and scheming in the lead up to all of this and what. We should be now investigating like february. We're doing the last impeachment i guess. This is the annual event that what they ought to be looking at is how the hell would they not prepared. And how did they miss. Every sign and every warning every bit of intelligence that the fbi knew and wears director ray to answer some of these questions. You know now that it's preplanned. You can't make the argument. That donald trump incited insurrection with his speech on january six. That is rally where he said. Many of you will peacefully patriotically marched to the capital. So your voices can be heard. This is simple stuff and and but with all the pre planning we now know this is why you don't do a snap impeachment. This is what it is a deliberative process. You need to investigate. You need to get solid answers. You need to know the facts. Not just be driven by rage psychosis and hatred of all things donald trump. That's why that now you also get into the insurrectionist language and that would be what every democrat out there. If their definition of insurrection or inciting insurrection. If that's their standard and you apply to them and we've got an awful lot of people that should be impeached and ready to stand trial in the united states. Senate that going to happen. Of course not media going to call for it. Of course not why should they. You know there are many many things if you look at well. The president said to fight like hell. Okay we've played the fight montage of every democrat saying fight. You need to fight. Fight fight fight. You need to fight. You need to fight. We have all the media saying. Oh the fbi now says that was a coordinated predetermined A planned in advance by this group that group and all the evidence now moving in that direction. Okay that's a big part of one's defense wouldn't it be you know they've wanted to impeach this man from day one since he's gotten into office in two thousand seventeen it has been there sold obsession and a lot of people asking me well. Why are we demanding. That joe biden be impeached. Or you want to apply the same standards. They're applying to donald trump. Well the quid pro quo the bragging. On video about leveraging a billion tax dollars so that a prosecutor and ukraine gets fired for so zero experience. Hunter can make more money. That would probably had probably fit right into that absolutely true. But they're not gonna be none of this is gonna come up on their part so you know. This is where we now find ourselves. How about this. Somebody sent me this today. And i had forgotten about it and the content if you look at kamala harris shoes on the ellen program we had played it in the past if you had to be stuck in an elevator with either president trump mike pence or jeff sessions. Who would it be harris s. Does one of us have to come out alive. Aha okay somebody said that about a mansion any conservative prominent conservative in the country that talked about when they're down you kick them or i want to take the president behind the back of a gym and beat the hell out of them or after a after violent writing results in a police precinct being burned to the ground and police officers injured. And you know nationwide thirty killed. Having a vice presidential candidates say they're not gonna stop take note on both sides of this. You take note you beware. They're not gonna stop. They shouldn't stop and we shouldn't stop saying this. In the middle of all the insurrection that was occurring. At the time they've they've found the one example after all the rioting and the last year the country they only they finally found one that bothers them the one that impacted them. What about the ones. That were impacting. All these americans living in in american cities. Did they miss the interview. With horace lorenzo anderson senior who lost his son. Horace lorenzo anderson junior and the chop chaz summer of love spaghetti potluck dinners zone occupation of city blocks and seattle a what about when the courthouse was being burned to the ground member that they were trying to burn into the ground on a nightly basis or the fact that the president called and asked for troops before the sixth doesn't sound like he wanted anything that bad at that point you know and if you watch the videos and this is just typical of a lying media mob and a lying democratic party. It's all edited. It's all sliced and diced and it's all conveniently sliced and diced. If they were going to be honest they would play the president's comments about peacefully marching so voices could be heard but it wouldn't expect that from them and go the they're they're press outlets in the mob the media you know cnn. Comparing the capital riot to genocide rwandan genocide. Part of it. I think just based on were you were just saying i. We're comes to mind. The idea of other rising people is something. I think we saw a lot of over the last four years. I mean something. We've seen a lot over the last decades but it's so easy to otherwise people to make people other than other than american other than patriotic other than than human you know and we've seen it in bosnia. We've seen it in rwanda where radio was telling people. The hutus were telling the radio listeners. That cockroaches for getting them ginned up for genocide and you see it in in these videos were people who claim they are. Patriots are in the face of a police officer calling him as we're seeing it right there and and gauging out the eye of once we know squeezing one in subjugating one in a door with the same media mom the same democrats that that that bent over backwards not to identify the riots in the summer as the riots that they were we saw writing all over the place this summer and if one of my favorite videos is a fake news. Cnn reporter literally. The shop behind him looks like an entire city is fire. Oh it's mostly been very peaceful here. I can report to Back to our audience at home. It's mostly like there's a fire raging behind you in the city. Your reporting on does look mostly peaceful to me. I mean fake news. cnn's one you know trump adviser. I day trial. Trump is apt. Oh if anyone ever charges him. No one wants to work with him. Where did that report come from. Fake news acosta. Seriously and it is. It is what it is. It's we have a a real crisis in institutions in this country that bombard us with lies a an hypocrisy a double standard. I don't even think it was was ever possible in our lives. And this is what we're it's all unfolding right before our eyes. You know headline biden. Laser focused is that. Abc covers joe by laser. Focus pushing pushing his agenda as the senate starts impeachment trial. The president has urged the senate to walk and chew gum at the same time. Well there's no walking in the no chewing gum so if they want to bring witnesses. I'm i'm leaning towards. I wanna bring him pelosi. I want to bring in director. Ray i wanna bring in schumer. I want to bring in. Joe i wanna bring in carmela. I want to bring in maxine waters. And i want to bring in a whole lot of people that i think that we would have to as witnesses in this things all bunch of people we can be bringing in. You know it's it's just never ending madness and insanity. I see that representative senator. Bill cassidy louise yet. He is getting hammered. As is ben sasse the jackass in nebraska boy. What a disappointment he turned out to be. And i i mean. I can't even. I don't even know what to say. It's you know mitt romney. What happened to mitt romney. Gop senators clear. They had forty four votes twice. Now one change cassidy. Change hasn't really given a reason. As far as i can see and but the trials you know you look at it. The the trial's to go on and it is what it is. Great jarrett made a point is going to join us at the top of the next hour when a lawyer as a week case. He ignores facts and not emotion. And he's talking about jamie raskin. Now jamie raskin we forget. He was one of the guys that challenge the results of the two thousand sixteen election. Talk about great irony here and you know what he did is rather than you know they edit out the copa tori evidence that many of you will will march to the capitol to peacefully and patriotic. That's all taken out. They took three words. That trump uttered fight like hell and we have played these montages of all these democrats. Saying god if i fade fight fight fight fight fight. They clip it. Had they played it in full it would have been clear. That trump used the word fight not in the literal sense and the obvious sense in a figurative sense at the way lawmakers all use the word fight on the floor of the of congress. I mean it is. He did not encourage people to go he. He actually asked that they send people send the national guard in and had requested it. Just like the capital chief of police. Why this guy left. I don't know that he was the only guy that is that was was leading trying to lead six separate time. Say please send the guardian. We have all these people here. We don't have the ability to protect this place. They knew hundreds of thousands of people are coming and now. We know that there was plotting planning scheming. And don't think that every hostile nation in the entire world is not watching this shift show charade and seeing a vulnerability. They're they're probably aghast. How could the united states of america have their capital breached and thirty seconds a minute. We can't have that in this country and we ought to have a commission in the interim we'd better have a short term plan to prevent it from ever happening again protect politicians. This has nothing to do with what your politics are. We have to protect any elected official. And we've got to protect our institutions. We see how did this happen in a post. Nine eleven world. You know who dropped the ball. Who did a cossio. Cortez tell she needs to tell us. She told pelosi. Diplomacy needs to be a witness. Why didn't you do anything. Why wasn't the request for national guard. Troops it listened to so finally thousands and thousands of you. My listeners have made the switch from your overpriced wireless carrier to pure talk. 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We've been working on here. We pulled together today. We're going to play a lot of it when we get back because we we've been pointing out a lot of just just breathtaking hypocrisy. I'm pretty much every issue. That is that defines these institutions the media mob big tech and the democratic radical socialist party. So the stacey. Abrams actually have respect for stacey. Abrams stacey abrams fights like hell and she is in to win. And i respect. And i think people in georgia That that for example wanna win elections. They need to learn from the great work that she's done for her party. I've nothing but respect for stacey. Abrams in terms of her political. You know her ability to fight for the things that she wants and she has been really successful. I'd even argue this the election in twenty twenty and the the senate runoff earlier in january. I don't think without stacey. Abrams the democrats would have one. She is formidable and she works hard. The republicans have been complacent. And then. you've got this. This governor and dopey secretary of state and neither one of them seems to understand that they have that she has been out thinking them out working them and she has profoundly shifted and changed the the electorate in georgia in large part because of the any audit consent decree. And i know the georgia's senate is now on the in the process of hopefully fixing some of the if they don't it's a big mistake i'll explain but she sounds an awful lot like donald trump. What do i mean next a qualcomm. We believe in staying connected and you can see us wherever five g is helping transform telemedicine supporting remote education empowering mobile. Pc's the invention ages here. Learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age twenty five till the top of the hour. Eight hundred nine. Four one sean. You want to be a part of the program. So a lot of this is is based on what the case trying to lay out his donald trump. It's not just what he said on the day. Fight like hell ignoring the skull. Pretoria comments that he made but then this but you know he kept talking about election interferences cetera etc. Stacey abrams still to this day never conceded the race in georgia to governor camp. You know let me be clear. This is not a concession. Still never did georgia democracy failed. She said bad actions ban information That she was quote peddling according to people that were in georgia. The time people were still denied the ability to elect their leaders. What she was saying. Mistakes clearly altered the outcome. The incompetence am mismanagement. We witnessed had been on display for months before any democrat of criticized. Stacey abrams she said she plan to start an organization to fight for more equitable voting. Laws would soon bring a major lawsuit federal lawsuit against the state of georgia for gross mismanagement of this election to watch an elected official who claims to represent the people state. You know Boldly in pin their hopes for elections the suppression of people's democratic right to vote has been appalling. She called brian camp. The voters suppression. You know the hill reported and cbs This morning she was on. She said she won't concede the race arguing that that would make her complicit in accepting voter suppression. Concession means to say that the process was fair. But when i run an organization that in ten days between election night and the night. I refuse to concede we received more than fifty thousand phone calls from people who were denied the right to vote. Im complicit if. I say that the system is fair. These are all very similar to things that donald trump was saying. You can have higher turnout. But that doesn't diminish the fact that voter suppression is real and affecting people across the country. He says they stole this election from the voters of georgia. That's what she said you can't trick me into saying it was right. You can't shame me into pretending that what happened. Should have happened if you're fighting against the system and it's designed to impress you. Sometimes you have to fight a little bit longer than you think. Now stacey abrams now. Let's play a little stacey. Abrams in our own word when she says It was stolen a montage clips that she lost them like no. I just didn't win because we don't know what really happened. Because of the asthma of voter suppression was the election in georgia state wide. A free and fair election. It was not free and fair election. This election was not tainted. I will not say that i'm russian. Artem aprases is not yet this whole election back in twenty eight. I have one very -firmative statements bank. We want the process was not fair. I can't say that empirically. I one but i will never know because we did not have a fair fight five months later. Do you still feel like your opponent one through voter suppression. Yes i believe was stolen election day. They stole it from the voters georgia and his stacey. Abrams also saying that election that she predicts this going to be election. Chaos unless congress expands mail in voting nationally. Listen we now. The the people for standing in line and the high and they're desperate to change what's happening and so if the senate will do its part then we will be able to process. Those returns very quickly does not do its part that will not stop them from trying to vote but as leah and of Pointed out there would have to risk their lives to do it or give you to pay off and refunding and then saying the georgia governor. The georgia's governors election was not free and was not fair. Was the election georgia state wide a free and fair election. It was not free and fair election. We had thousands of georgians who were purged from the roles wrongly including a ninety two year. Old woman who had voted in the same area since nineteen sixty eight civil rights leader. It was not fair to the thousands who were forced to wait in long lines because they were polling places that were under resourced or worse they had to polling places to go to because more than three hundred have been closed it was not fair to the thousands that were put on hold with their registrations and it was not fair to those who filled up absentee ballots and depending on the county you send it to either count or not count it assuming you received it in time. Hillary and september twenty seventeen. Npr said that she wouldn't rule out questioning the election results. This is september twenty seventeen nine months into donald trump's presidency. I want i want to get back to the question. Would you rule out the questioning the legitimacy of the election if we learned that the russian interference in the election is even deeper than we know. No i wouldn't rule it out. I don't know if there's any legal constitutional way to do it. I think you raised good questions. Mother jones interview november twenty seventeen. You know clinton said the russians meddling in the election was one of the major contributors to the outcome. We now know that's a lie. We now know that the only russian interference came from her dirty bought and paid for russian. Disinformation dasa that its own author says was designed to distract the public from hillary clinton's email server problems on top of the sub source for the steele dossier. That said none of this is true. Like bartok it was never meant for this. You know the hookers. Urinating in the in the ritz carlton in moscow in donald trump's room republican efforts to make it harder to vote through measures such as a voter. Id law shorten early voting periods. Hillary says new obstacles to registration. How do you. How do we know you need an idea to get into the dnc. You need an idea to get into the us capital. You need an idea to get into the white house you need an id pretty much i to buy e cigs jewels at at your local store for crying out loud. I know because i still like module to get cartridge and they and they limit in new york. How many come by ridiculous. It's unreal couple of places most notably wisconsin. I think it had a dramatic impact on the outcome talking about voter suppression. How do we have free fair elections. The people can have faith and confidence in if you don't have voter. Id you know how. How long are we going to have. Early voting periods. For how much is it going to be two months at what point. What about chain of custody. Ballot custody issues. We're gonna we're gonna institute those those plans. I guess we don't need ide- to to vote. I guess we should need an idea to get to the democratic national convention or get into any government building of any kind. But there's nobody seemed to ever get outraged the way they did the way you know. Donald trump pushed it too far. Maybe you think he did. That's fine well. Then if he did. So did stacey abrams and so did hillary clinton we need the investigations to continue. We had four investigations into her phony narrative that we know she helped begin. She helped start this phony narrative and she paid for the russian dirty dossier. The dirty dossier was then used unverified. Top of fis application verified supposed to verify it they didn't verify anything it was unverified. A bowl hillary warning democrats of of the potential of stolen elections in may of two thousand nine hundred eighty. You can run the best campaign you can even become the nominee have the election stolen from you. Hillary clinton said she pointed to the fbi director director. Raise warning that. Russia continues to pose a very significant counterintelligence we knew about her attorney dossier here at a level. That's pretty breathtaking. Clinton says americans need to make sure. The election is not interfered with in that sweeping systemic way that muller found it was in the in the prior election. She had the only russian disinformation unbelievable. You know trump is an illegitimate president. She was saying as late as september. Twenty seven twenty nine thousand nine hundred and she said as late as october. Ninth twenty nineteen implied. She won the election. I can quote. Beat him again telling people in august twenty twenty. That biden should not concede the election. He said the this year's election day results might point to trump power having a narrow advantage but in that case. Joe biden should not concede under any circumstances. Because i think this is going to drag out october. Twenty twenty yahu news. Hillary raised additional questions about the integrity of the two thousand sixteen election. You look at the list of excuses. Hillary given since twenty sixteen. We've played most of them. Over the years sexism barack obama's fault bernie sanders fall. Jim commes fault. Would women wouldn't let men tell them how to vote. Remember that my email account was turned into the biggest scandal. Since lord knows when this was the biggest nothing burger ever. It was a mistake. I've said it was a mistake. I know you had dean but k. Here from new york times yesterday and they covered it like it was pearl. Harbor the russians in my opinion and based on the intel and counter intel people. I've talked to could not have known how best to weaponize that information unless they had been guided. And here's a. Here's by american cited by americans and guided by people who had you know polling data. I never said. I was a perfect candidate and i certainly never said. I ran perfect campaigns. But i don't know who is or did and at some point. It sort of bleeds over into misogyny. Okay blame the media blamed uninformed voters blamed voter suppression blame putin blamed russia blamed her campaign staff lane. Jill stein blame the dnc. She blamed campaign finance laws. Electoral college anthony weiner She used race. In a couple of occasions democratic predecessor wikileaks debate questions and then of course when all else fails blame fox news. And people like sean hannity. I blamed for everything. How come i linda. Water blame for everything. I'm not a bad person. A nice person. He's what it's a lot of fun to make funny you you know. You're an easy target radio show. Tv show material. I never never. It doesn't matter every day in my life is a shift show cherie the alphabet and they would say you did it wrong. You're probably right that's all you just. You know if it's raining if it's alpine it's raining and you walk out and you get what they're going to tell you what sunny the best thing to is evolved in my life. Whatever ship whatever switch is opposed to have the gives a flying rip about these. I don't have that switch anymore. That's just because you have so much of it. Now you're immune as i've i have now. What herd immunity on getting the crap out of me. I think after awhile you took place and it's just like forget about it you know i've heard it all. What can you tell me that i haven't heard. Let's see leonardo cry the crappy. Oh now that's good the crappy. I liked that. I liked that little. All right. we have Amy schumer carrie. Washington robert downey junior scarlett johansson. Chris hemsworth mark ruffalo in all the usual suspects. They now urging biden shut. Down the dakota access pipeline. Isn't that nice of them. Isn't that really. Because i think they're all probably pretty wealthy. I'm i'm all for people making money jobs. Yes those guys that lost their jobs making. We had one on one hundred grand a year. Old guys made a hundred grand a year high paying career job specialized you know years and years of specialized training. And now they're out of work. Neil crabtree crabtree. And then i had the guys on tv. He said some of these jobs. Pay these guys two hundred and fifty grand a year. They're paying tr driver's training them and starting at eighty grand a year and all the overtime they can handle. he's serious career job Well you just have to get another union job in the green energy field. Well how do you translate the skills from that industry into the new one that doesn't even exist. And what the hell do you put on. How do you. How do you pay the rent. The mortgage the car the truck payment. How do you pay for your kids. College retirement if god have we seen evidence of these green jobs do exist. They that's the point they do not. It's a bunch of crap support for this. Podcast comes from lexus. Maybe you're an aficionado. 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It helps anybody your hopes them for sure And now the using mitch mcconnell's comments to To convict trump anyway. Our legal team is with us. We have greg jarrett back Podcasts the brief to Number one bestsellers the russia hoax. And which on. Don brown former. Us navy jag officer author of travesty of justice Thank you both for being with us. You know you wrote something in an column greg that i you know about the jamie raskin and if you don't have facts on your side you get emotional. Which was part of his appeal yesterday. And i'm watching all of this today. It's like you know scattershot here there and everywhere and i. they don't have sixteen hours of material to fill. They barely have three hours to fill. What was so remarkable. Yesterday and today is the democrat. House managers are spewing inflammatory rhetoric to make their case for incitement in other words. They're trying to incite emotion to make a case for incitement of violence against president trump. And and really the irony should be lost on no one what i object so much too is that they keep playing over and over again and they did this today. Clips of a of donald trump Talking to the crowd and and you know ten times already. They've played the clip fight. Like hell use of. The term is common political rhetoric. It doesn't mean literally fighting or You know taking up arms now you know. It's an allegory. It's a metaphor. And i it's commonly used by politicians as i pointed out to you yesterday even by lawmakers on the floor of congress all the time and and they left out and deliberately deleted the most important clip of oil and that's donald trump when he encouraged the crowd to conduct themselves peacefully and patriotically encourage people to breach security launch. An attack on the capital attack. Police engage in acts of violence. And think about this. If it were other wives trump would have been criminally charged. Because he's a private citizen his words don't come close to incitement they cannot make a case of incitement. And if this were a real court of law the case would be over already. Well you if it was a real court of law you would actually have a real judge in this particular case that would have been the chief justice of the supreme court. But no we have the honorable. Patrick layhee presiding the guy that before the trial ever began. had already declared trump's guilt in all of this that's not a trial by any definition no fairness due process. Just like the house snap impeachment. And and what are. We learning learning that a lot of plotting and planning and scheming and organizing when when into all of what happened on the six which renders the entire incitement to insurrection charge. Don brown completely null and void. It's just it's not even relevant anymore. We have a kangaroo court Sean disguise as an impeachment proceeding by the senate The president of the united states is not being tried. The former presidents being tried article two section four does not give the senate jurisdiction. Do i don't care how many times they voted to hear the case. Just because they vote to hear the case doesn't mean it's constitutional and if all up on what greg said. A moment ago i i went back and looked at the president's speech on the sixth and he only mentioned is the the phrase capital three times in his speech and here's the the crucial language. I'm reading from it. Here's what president trump said. I know that everyone here will be marching over to the capitol building to get this peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard again. The president's words to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard and they're trying to spin that into some sort of high crime or misdemeanor he's calling. For peaceful protests. By the way which the first amendment guarantees the right of the people peaceably symbol. And they're right at the petition. The government for redress of grievances. Greg is right there going afield here. I mean i was watching mr cast earlier today. Playing clips of president trump back in september and an aug properly warning about the democrats using the virus as a as a cover for election. Fraud every right to do that. Well they're charging him statements me on the sixth of january. There have been going back and playing statements from the from august and september without one shred of evidence that one thug who broke the windows of the capital ever heard any of those speeches. So it's emotionalism is try is hyperbole and it. It is an embarrassment to the united states. Is this happening. So we have forty four senators on two occasions forty five the first time forty four yesterday. That say this is unconstitutional and shouldn't even proceed. Why are republicans offering any any validity or legitimacy to the horrific process in the house. That didn't they offered no due process. They offered no defense. They brought in no witnesses and now the evidence suggests that their entire impeachment is null and void based on the recent discoveries and developing story that in fact it was all planned. Greg jarrett fifty. Republican senators should have Voted for the motion to dismiss. It's unconstitutional And you're right about due process You know there was never a single hearing. I mean if nancy pelosi actually taken the time to conduct an investigation to examine the true facts instead of making a hasty decision to impeach without holding a here and do any literally days after january six then she would have realized. Think what we now know Documents presented in federal court show. The attackers planned their assault days and weeks in advance. It's impossible for a person to incite a preplanned event. But none of that mattered to nancy. Pelosi she wanted to rush to impeach donald trump yet again so she cooked up a case without waiting to scrutinize the facts and all of it is such a charade because we know the outcome. There's no way the democrats can reach the threshold. Sixty seven required votes to convict so we have to go through this fatuous exercise. It's an extravagant waste of time. Will there be witnesses. No no there won't be any witnesses. There's no appetite for a prolonged senate. Trial here so at the conclusion of the presentation arguments of house managers and then the rebuttal by the defense team. They'll be vote on whether to hold witnesses. And i just don't think there are enough democrats who really want to long gate. This thing i mean. Then you're gonna have to be talking about depositions of witnesses. The right to cross examine the right of the defense called their own witnesses and so forth and they have an easy excuse for for voting down witnesses. Nancy pelosi's job was to call witnesses during hearings. She failed to do it. We're not going to do your job for you nancy. What about the insurrection is language of the left now. I don't buy their definition but if we applied their definition of what they believe is incitement to insurrection. Don brown If you applied to. Joe biden kamala harris chuck schumer. Nancy pelosi maxine waters just to name a few and i've got many more that i can list. Wouldn't they then therefore again applying the same standard all the impeached and put on trial as well. The ultimate example of political hypocrisy. You have on your show play. Many montages with this incendiary rhetoric used by these democrats. Pick chuck schumer you know. Hey cavenaugh courses you've reap the whirlwind and you don't know what's gonna hit you. I mean that sounds like the senate majority leader threatening to justice of the united states supreme court and then of course is at clicked with maxine. Waters you know if you see these cabinet members in a restaurant or at a gas station you know you work up a crowd and you surround them and you push on them. It sounds like she's physically specifically calling for people to an pushing someone who's an assault the present as i read a moment ago. Say go peacefully. So you have incendiary. Rhetoric were these democrats and you can throw comma harris and others in there have called for riots who apparently of called specific threatening its cabinet members. Supreme court justices against the president united states. Who says go in peace. It is the ultimate political. Hypocrisy agree with greg. Call witnesses. They want over as quickly as possible. They don't wanna open that can of worms because it can come back to bite him if they do call witnesses when you look at the republicans how senate wherever that went against the president. Greg jarrett a political question. Starting liz cheney or adam Kin signature or ben sasse the jackass or dow louisiana. Senator bill cassidy All of them now are eat rebuking. And even censure within their own states within their own party over this Resonate with maybe republicans in the senate and the house. What message would they. Would they take out of that because most politicians i know a pretty ambitious and want to keep their job well i think republicans recognized. That is fundamentally wrong. Follow the course of emotion facts and evidence and the law and the standards historically impeachment or what you should should follow and most republicans are doing. That are handful as you point out who who are not and there will be a political price to pay for that as it should be. I mean that's why representatives and senators you know are ultimately accountable to the people that they serve those people don't like what they're doing You know they're they're gonna get defeated In the next election. And i guarantee you that people and we already know this for people like liz cheney and and others they're going to get primary You know there are the vast majority of republicans Agree that you know there were improprieties. Irregularities associated with the election and they have serious questions about the legitimacy of it and there has been no comprehensive investigation as there should be by congress to look into. And they're aggrieved about it and you know so these people who are jumping on the anti trump bandwagon. I mean there. There are consequences for that all right. Thank you both for your expertise. Continue to watch the shift show charades sixteen hours. They already ran out of material is getting interesting and i would say for the defense anything over four hours too much. Couldn't see you way out. We were completely surrounded and they all look like the same person b's itching to convert into their weird hollywood colt everywhere return. There they were and more were coming spilling into every opening around us. It seemed like they were calling out teach telepathically get them fresh meat. I thought the only way out was to give in and go with them. But just as i started to follow their leader. It hit me. Adrian is hand met my cheek. Yeah i slapped him with one. Quick strike to the face snub. Elevate patrick let's get the hell out of here and that's when we made a run for it through the only opening in the crowd. We were only a few feet for making it out when they blocked us in again. We were goners redfield. America's storytelling show. the kind. hollywood doesn't want you to hear. Listen to read america on iheartradio or wherever you get your podcast. That's red pilled america. Let's go to the phones. We'll take phones for the rest of the hour today. Then all things bill o'reilly dot com simple man coming up Let's say hi to thomas in california. Hey tom how are you. Glad you're with us. Hi sean thank you. I wanted to chime in on earlier. Conversation regarding the pipeline. Being cut off. I think it's totally wrong. How biting win about just cutting off. Tens of thousands of jobs to people that providing great services to us. Why didn't he. I have a plan in place and figure out what positions we're gonna be filled how to trade these guys to fill the positions and give them an opportunity to get trained in the new positions while still working and still having an income and then at appropriate time switch over from the technology to the new technology new way of doing things. Meanwhile we got lots of people in harm's way on top of all the stresses related enough that that would be the appropriate order of things. Wouldn't it that would be. That would be the common sense away you know. Oh no no well just go. Get another union joe. What do you mean go get another high paying union job when you have specialized skills there are. The these are professionals. These people that have developed specific skills for for for decades. And the just has your pink slip of a hopefully get another job later. Wow thanks tom jerry maryland. Hi how are you. So i i wanted to talk about the keystone workers. I believe that on saturday. May i may i. being the day of internationally. The day of the worker there should be peaceful. Demonstrations peaceful demonstrations in washington. Dc of the keystone workers all union members. They should go there in the spirit of the Organization put together. Martin luther king nineteen sixty three in front of the lincoln memorial. All these people come forward phil. Dc and show the pain destruction being caused by pulling this permit. I couldn't conscionable. Levin thousand workers with families husband wives and children know paychecks worse time of the year. it's an outrage. And i really think it should be done before. May i but any time to organize. It's a saturday. But he's ari out. Thousands lost their job. And then then. The leonardo di crappy os and Scarlett johansson's of the world demanding. We closed the dakota pipeline. That's easy for them to say. But these are real jobs. Real families real people fellow americans and their their dismissive closed. This close. this stop this. Stop that it. Impacts directly people's ability and this is my twenty years you know doing real work in my life right and it impacts directly their ability to put food on the table a roof over their head to the cars to drive at a future for their kids and a future for themselves and our retirement in the end it just rips of away from them and it's causing real pain and and real difficulty for fellow americans more calls next big tech is doing everything they can to silence conservative news stories and conservative voices so you might wonder what am i not saying that they won't allow me to see on their platforms. The good news is our podcast. The ben ferguson. Podcast covers the news stories every day that they won't let you see that's right. You'll get the news stories. They're hiding from you so be sure to listen to the ben ferguson. Podcast on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast download it now cliff that she lost them like no. I just didn't win because we don't know what really happened. Because of the asthma of voter suppression was the election georgia state wide a free and fair election. It was not a free and fair election. Say that this election was not tainted. I will not say that. Because erosion art emocracy is not at this little election back in eighty one. Affirmative statements make. The process was not fair. I can't say that empirically. I one but i will never know because we did not have a fair fight five months later. Do you still feel like your opponent one voter suppression. Yes i believe was a stolen election. Don't like all right. that's stacey. Abrams glad you're with us. Twenty five till the top of the hour. Eight hundred nine. Four one sean. You want to be a part of the program you know. It's it's amazing. Stacey abrams the icon of the beloved liberal democrat from georgia Let's be clear. I'm not conceding. This is not a concession speech you know. Democracy failed georgia Peddling claimed bad actions misinformation people denied the ability to elect their leaders. Mistakes clearly altered the outcome the incompetence mismanagement we witnessed has been on display for months before you know going on planning lawsuits major federal lawsuit stated georgia for gross mismanagement of this election to watch an elected official who claims to represent the people in this state Baldly pin his hopes for election on the suppression of people's democratic right to vote has been truly appalling the architect of voter suppression and it goes on for their and i can go on all day long and all these tapes and we're gonna put a lot of them together for you tonight on hannity and how come the democrats you know never challenged to this day. She's never conceded. Okay that's her option. That's her choice. We never bothered talking much about it. And because that's our choice and that's her right and she wanted but if you look at almost the same exact thing they stole the selection from the voters of georgia if you're fighting the system and it's designed to oppress you. Sometimes you have to fight a little bit longer than you think. That sounds familiar sound. What all the democrats are all outraged about their feigned phony selective moral outrage eight hundred nine. Four one sean. You want to be a part of the program all right. Let's say hi to Let's carmen is in minnesota. Hi sean how are you glad you called. I'm good thank you for taking my call. So martin pelosi h one. Darrell this so-called people sandwich personal to me. Because i'm an election judge and we saw lots of san minnesota and this bill to me. Doesn't this bill basically try to legitimize. What so many of us nothing. They did this song like with the our harvesting photo. Id down all the wrath of couldn't choose just to me is so offensive and it's to me on the mission of their own guilt. They think they got it in the states. And all they're gonna take it to the federal level and they're just gonna push you know bulldoze overall her right. Just it's upsetting because minnesota you can be an election judge at sixteen and they're trying to push elect you know voters that sixteen to be able to vote as well. Mauvaise went through our state. Legislators none of it. It all went through the secretary. State steve simon. And now we're not allowed to talk about voter fraud. The league one voters is on it. They don't want us talking about it. They're trying to suppress the A few legislators and you know we do have a few standing up here in minnesota. We got home. He's our district state senator from district thirteen. He's working on the voter to allies to kind of reflect. Indiana's doing steve scalise Another senator mike and some things with voter support and that kind of thing. What else is happening in your state. fox nine in. I believe it was minneapolis. I think it was a pretty sure. Okay fox news fox nine. And for example you know that minnesota freedom fund that was promoted by comma harris And kamala harris tweeted. Well if you're able to chip in now to the and then she gave the address. The freedom fund to help post bail for those protesting on the ground in minnesota member. Her remarks were made after the police precinct burner the ground and the rioting was taking place and we learned that you know for example the organization that bailed out people like a guy by the name of dr nicole floyd charged with second degree murder after allegedly stabbing a friend to death or christopher boswell facing charges of sexual assault and kidnapping and the group put up one hundred grand on behalf of floyd and three hundred and fifty grand on behalf of of boswell. Then you got a another guy. A that was arrested all on fox news dot com and i've been researching and i have many more examples. Well as comma harris an all at all responsible for the money she helped braise that help. Free people that were involved in the insurrection to go out and commit more crimes because donald trump you. And i both know that they would. They would blame. Donald trump would not sure would and she should know the bolts of that. And you know that when. Minneapolis just laid off like one hundred officers. They municipalities in the area. To help out they still haven't paid those municipalities. And they're hurting you. It's just it it's upsetting and all of us feel like leeward. Taken like fools and nobody wants to vote because their vote won't mean anything. Well listen i totally get it. And i totally understand it you know. Hr one they want to bake in the changes under the guise covert restrictions. Right mail in voting. They want now to expand this to the largest level possible. they want no voter. id whatsoever. They want drop boxes everywhere. They want no signature verification. If we go to that system if we go to that system we will never ever ever see a republican in. My view ever elected president again. I mean it would have to be the perfect storm of threatening the perfect needle and that is what that is about now. They forgot the the guy worship the most. Dr anthony fauci had said you know you. People can vote in person in twenty twenty as long as they wear a mask and are socially distant that was ignored by everybody in the media. Mob big tack and of course the democrats and new york times is no longer talking about how mellon in balloting lends itself to greater fraud potential and other people all right Thank you Carmen good call. Caleb montana hi how are you glad you called. I'm good how are you doing sean. I'm good sir. Hey i have two points to make real quick. If i may. The first point is the hypocrisy that we know exists but with. Can you imagine if anybody did. What kathy griffin did except with joe biden effigy joe by they would be called a domestic terrorist arrested and put in a jail. And i'm just sick of the hypocrisy. It's it's terrible. it's listen. This is what we deal with us. Conservatives every single solitary day now kathy griffin was out there yesterday saying america's and experiencing a collective trauma as the second impeachment trial begins. I mean look you have another former. Fbi assistant director an assistant director saying large scale programme is needed to de radicalize trump's political cult members like okay reeducation camps will take the kids away from trump parents. And we'll send them to pbs indoctrination school where they get to watch pbs all day. That's been set as well. It's terrifying and scary. And i've been thinking. What do we do as citizens to take back our country and the only thing that i can think to do is to educate our children it starts in the home with mom and dad parents instilling values and principles and do what like trump said to peacefully and patriotically make our voices heard. And that's why buddy. And i started a podcast to encourage parents to show up and do their best. You know the best thing that we can do is we need to be shiny examples to our kids If if there are gaps in our kids education we need to find ways to help fill the gaps off if they refuse to teach history real history and they only want a distorted version of history. We have to find those ways as if we have much time because we're working so hard to pay all of our taxes and every other bill that we all have and life and living is hard enough expensive enough and the next thing you gotta do. Is you just have to have to stay engaged in this process if you go to. Hr one which our last caller was was talking about. You know the people act okay. It is basically at to get to the show cut to the chase here. Cut through the clutter introduced in the house of representatives. They want to expand voting rights change campaign finance laws. they also want no voter. Id at all whatsoever. It is viewed as a comprehensive statement of priorities. And it's got everything. They want. Quote an act to expand america's access to the ballot box No voter. Id no signature verification. Nothing mail in balloting in perpetuity. And i don't see anything addressing chain of custody issues as well. no. You're exactly right. And i just wanted to tell you you're a great american and i appreciate what you do all right. I appreciate what you're doing to. We're all in this together. We're all spokes on a wheel. Here um and you you look you give me the microphone. Every day we try to earn it. We work hard. You give me that camera every night. i can't do it without you. There are enough people that want me cancelled every single second of my life Alicia oregon next sean. Hannity show how are you. Hi thank you for taking my call. I'm a military veteran at twelve years of the us marine corps. I'm out in portland. And i just want the nation to at least hear one voice. That's not on the left over here on the west coast with the supposedly blue state. There's a lot of upset people we. The people have stepped up and we march to the capital because the democratic party. They provoked this. This is a direct response to what it is at wehr doing their theatrical plays of this impeachment in the senate the election all of this is a direct response to that if they think the people are okay with this. They're not. They're upset. And i just had so many people over here on the west coast that are just. They don't have a voice. And so i do appreciate what you do. I do appreciate that. You have that voice for everybody this voice. It's the honor of my life. It is and i will tell you the the fight for liberty and freedom never ends and even though it seems like you know all of these powerful institutions have aligned against us you know. History has a way of correcting itself. The pendulum does swing. The eb and flow of political cycles. Does happen and hopefully we can begin to right. The ship as early as twenty twenty two because the stakes have never been higher You're right alicia last word. Yes i just wanna say that. They can't just attribute some of trump's word because he's a political figure and he's going to speak in public. They can't just attribute that and say oh you know he was being literal and they can't clump all of us. Republicans into one dangerous group. That's absolutely ridiculous. Appreciate the call. Thanks for being with us. Everybody do their part. We're spokes in a wheel. You need every spoke to make the wheel go round and what we're doing for our kids and grandkids. We want a better country. We got a full minute left. We're going to give that to leah in new york leah. You get it. Make great use of it. How are you glad you call. Hi sean. thanks so much for taking my call. Greetings from miller place new york I'd like to say that although We have this impeachment going on and it did go to the trial in the senate. I think that we can use that. Maybe as a platform to finally get the whole truth out there and also to demonstrate the hypocrisy of the left. I can only hope. Though that president trump's legal team can do an excellent job in presenting all the material that they need to. Well listen they can i. I would advise in the setting in the place the moment that that's not the argument to be made. I think we're gonna use the. I think they would use. And i would use the constitutional argument. As we've discussed. I would discuss the developments that we now know that was there. were there. Were plotting planning scheming weeks in advance and many people knew about it. That's a scandal in and of itself. And next i would point out. Well this is. The definition now by democrats have insurrection. Well then you're all guilty of insurrection and inciting insurrection. And i'd probably leave it there. I wouldn't take more than four hours in a defense answer. The questions of senators and it's over. Let them vote all right. Quick break. we'll come back. Thanks for being with us And thanks for good call More your calls coming up in our news roundup information overload hour bill o'reilly's next news-round-of-information-overload hour hang on. I hear it the the sound of leonard. Skinner simple man. That can only mean one thing on this program. And that means all things bill o'reilly of philo riley dot com He claims to be a simple man. We have a slight disagreement. I think he's a complicated guy. Thinks he's simple. Which makes them even more complicated. A bit of a paradox mr o. Reilly sir you I'm still battling with the dog or won't go out in. The snow melt. No one going back to snow shoveling after last week's unmitigated disaster. Darn dog am. I won't go to the bathroom. I took out loud. Listen to me. Oh man all right well you love you. What kind of dog is it. A corgi the dog and bill. O'riley if i have food but anyway all right so we got the impeachment shift. Shosha rate as i call it going on in. Dc we know it's a predetermined outcome. I'm watching i. I can't really watch much pill. I can't and i'm lucky. I have a big staff on radio and tv and we kinda we say okay. You have to watch this hour. You have to watch this hour. You have to watch this hour. Take copious notes. And then we'll we'll we'll inform our audience as best we can because it would be torture to watch this thing the whole time now. A lotta editing. Cutting slicing and dicing going on. And i have been making a big deal on radio and tv of pointing out the insurrectionists incitement language as defined by liberal democrats and the media of these prominent democrats We have been pointing out. Fight like hell. Every single democrat every politician at some point. Says we gotta fight is enough. I'm good at fighting all of that. The hypocrisy rank hypocrisy is is breathtaking. And your thoughts. Well i'm doing with joe biden is doing. I'm not watching The peace and stuff. I have a much smaller staff than you. But they have the same assignments. Tommy go ahead. Tell me if there's anything. I should know and you know this will all be over by monday and then everybody will resume but there are a couple of interesting wrinkles that i don't know whether you've talked about number one. Usa today runs an article. And you as as a very avowed left wing newspaper out of the gannett chain and the The article is about people who have been charged themselves with breaking into the capital and they paraded out a few lawyers and say oh no our defense is going to be trump. Made them do it. So trump made these people violate federal law. I i mean that in itself can be used as the defense for president trump. It's so insane. Nobody makes anybody commit a crime unless you know you're threatening them with a weapon so that was in usa today then the fulton county georgia Da far far left fannies. Somebody i forget new last name. She's gonna investigate President trump on criminal charges because trump made a phone call and said hey I think i got jobbed in georgia. I think it was a fraud. And i want you guys to look into it. And and an artfully. The president said and find eleven thousand votes. Okay we all know what he was talking about in context. Because i've listened to the whole thing. I've read the entire transcript in context. The president kept saying over and over again and i call weren't by hundreds of thousands guys right he. He kept Purporting that he had won the state handily and they they needed to get that investigation up and running and prove it. So but i just before. I came on with you i was listening to. Cbs radios Hourly update and they're making a big deal out of this Georgia thing is fulton county thing and everyone knows this is a pure political play by the. Da the guy in manhattan close to where we live does all the time. I'm going to arrest steve bannon. Yeah i don't care if he's part right and then they the court. New york's is No you can't do that. Cbs news knows this. They know it's it's just some flaming left wing. Da down in georgia trying to make a name for herself but they don't ever put anything into perspective ever so the casual american. Just pick this stuff up on television and radio is so diluted at this point what. The reality of the situation is that it's really worrisome. That now we live in a country that depends upon free flow of information. And you can't get that anymore. I mean it's really frightening bill these of frightening time so this is simple and there's gonna be a lot of noise and the georgia call had nothing to do with the charge of impeachment and all it is is let's blood and trump over cosimo issue right. Well they got. They got sixteen hours to fill bill and they don't have sixteen hours worth of material here so they've got to make it up as they go along but the three. There's three things that just remain the same. That is the constitutional argument including even have jurisdiction. Which they do not have according to the people. I respect at our constitutional attorneys. Now all the new evidence and i'm having a great time playing the liberal media. Say we now have evidence the fbi says congresswoman a cossio. Cortez says court documents say. Yeah it was all preplanned. People plotted plan. Schemed orchestrated this attack. Well that the gates the entire incitement to insurrection based on the words that trump argument and the last thing and it also tells you why you don't have snap impeachments and then you use the left's insurrectionist themselves and if you apply the same standards pretty much. All these leaders get impeached. Will now impeachments a joke. you know. it's it's lost its constitutional authority. I think you'd agree with that right. Oh yeah absolutely as a historian I'm saying well we just lost a major correction that the constitution had the founding fathers. Put in it's gone. So we had to impeachments andrew johnson bill clinton and now we have two hundred trump that both were trumped up pardon the pun and everybody knows that this is a political play is not it is not a crime anywhere all right in civil court criminal court or impeachment court. It is not a crime to hold an opinion as the president did that. The election was not sphere. That's not a crime and it's not a crime to rally his supporters and save. Please let your beliefs be known to congress. That's those are not crimes and that's what this is. That's exactly what this is now. I wrote a book on trump. United states trump. I said clearly in the book one of the weaknesses of donald trump. And you know this better than anyone hannity is that he doesn't think out what he says he just says whatever he wants doesn't think out the consequences many many times but that's not a crime either and so all of this is wasting the country's time overseas they're mocking us What kind of country is this and I'm you know. I'm saying. I think we'll make a comeback but Right now the toughest nonstop. And then we get into the whole policy aspect of all of this. And i'm watching all this and you see that you and i know tv right bill. O'reilly is your genius on television. And you've done it your whole life and we know how you can edit anything. We're seeing the democrats edit. And i think he tweeted about this today if i remember correctly Their videos to conveniently exclude and i. I did this last night on. Tv as well. The president's call many of you will now peacefully patriotically arch to the out. Voices can be heard that would be an important part of of of the narrative. Don't you think that. But that's that's the whole farce. I call this impeachment to the fiasco. Anyone anyone whether you're far left or far right or in the middle whatever you are anyone think there's a motive of fairness in any of this bill. We know the answer. The answer is no now. This raises a question. I want your take on. Because i'm torn originally. I'm like looks we've got we've got to get vaccines in people's arms by the way your number should be coming up soon. You're much older than me. did you. Number come up yeah I have One moderna in my body. Canada you do one. Why dern it's madeira. Whatever is came up and stabbed me and said what do you mean. come and stab you. You gotta scott for crying out loud. You sound like a little kid going to the doctor for the first time that the man stabbed me so come on i gotta get one more and But i'm still gonna wear masks or whatever it's twenty two now all right so now i forgot what. Oh so the democrats you know. They're now they're going to distract the country. There's a part of me that actually says you know what i think. I might want witnesses now. Now i know this withdraw. Well no no no no let me tell you why because the country needs to see in all its splendor and all its glory. How absolutely sick and and what. What swamp sewer creatures in their nation's capital. Then i watch it even if you had witnesses the not gonna watch it. Everybody knows that this is kgo. Let's just get it over with you. Know i'll tell you one thing. Having you really lucky. 'cause you're going to have on next wednesday you know why you're lucky. Why on let me say the name of the father and the son of the holy spirit should be on your knees. You use wednesday and the biden. Townhall is tuesday night. That's true that way beyond the town. Let me let me tell you what i figured out. They do with joe now. What's the days leading up to the tuesday night townhall. You're not going to see joel lot. And what. I what i believe is he gets just like before the debates they super arrest them up and they kind of shift the highest alertness our of his day whatever time he has some big challenge. Now did you see last week when he's talking about the vaccine and he says oh. Yeah we we're gonna go from four hundred fifty million six hundred million vaccines and three hundred americans by the summer will be. We'll have the vaccine. Okay you could say he misspoke. Once in the same speech he goes and let me repeat. Three hundred. Americans will be vaccinated. Look i don't think joe knows is a town hall told him he's going to tell them today of he doesn't know you. Mr president go to wisconsin to tour cheese factory. And maybe anderson cooper will be there but you know. It was amusing Anderson said right. You know compared the capital riot to rwandan genocide. Yeah okay Cnn puts out a thing today and says okay. I want we want people to submit questions to us. And if if we like your question then you can appear well that means the biden campaign is going to have all the questions in advance. Of course how. About how about. Bill o'reilly submits a question. Sean hannity submits a question. Wouldn't that be a nice town hall that you know there's only one question i got only one Sister president vaccine. Where is it. And how come we We don't have it. where where is it. Tell me where does. Don't blame trump and your vaccine. Are you know the new york times had a calculator. You know when i'd be eligible and believe it or not because of them in the medium. Viewed is essential. But i'm not using that category. I don't feel that the new york times wrote an editorial that they don't want you to get it doesn't get it and q. Murder entry for you including undocumented immigrants. Everyone gets everybody beforehand basically accused me of murder and this is the same paper that said after the travel ban in last year. Who says it's not safe to travel to china like you can't be any dumber than the new york times but listen i'm gonna i'm not gonna wait my turn when when my doctor says you're you're you're on this you get on the list. I got until then. I'm and i'm just gonna suck it up. Bill got another minute. Let me just give this to you. Yeah so i see people getting pink slips. Peter doocy did a great job. Peter doocy honed. In what are you gonna do. What do you tell the people that got. The pink slips is now leonardo di caprio in hollywood. Leftists pushing to close the pipeline. Okay they have enough money and they got their jobs. Question is they. Couldn't these are high paying jobs. A hundred grand and lot more with great benefits union jobs gone and they couldn't answer when the millions of jobs are going to be online that they're promising like they promised to lender. I know they have no clue. But i want a windmill put in leo's backyard. We got one windmill and leo dicaprio. Backyard just one just one isn't then we'll put one bill o'reilly's backyard you know he'll have but you know those windmills kill the birds. That's not good bill. I like birds. Birds god's creation all right. Oh riley bill o'reilly dot com all things bill. O'reilly take a quick break. We'll come back on the other side and your calls. Final half hour sean. Hannity show continues five till the top of the hour. Eight hundred nine. Four one sean. If you want to be a part of this extravaganza let me go back to this whole argument the whole impeachment shift. Show charade the whole thing. What is predicated on that. The comments of donald trump and the january six rally incited people to go and then invade the capitol building Well it they completely managers negate the main point which which is pretty simple and that is many of you will peacefully peacefully peacefully and patriotically march to the capital so your voices will be heard. Well he said fight like hell. We've played over and over again. Democrats and even media figures. Oh you need to fight any to fight harder needed again. Based on their definition that would be inciting insurrection. But now there's a big big problem with their entire snap impeachment and that is and the media's having to report it we'll play the long version here of how media now has to admit that the capital attack was Preplanned cossio cortez nuit Apparently the fbi knew it. We now of court documents we have investigators from the fbi and we have video evidence and everything in between well it totally dismantles. The idea that this was a spontaneous incitement of to insurrection. Anyway here's your media mob. Democrats year reporting that whoopsie daisy. Trump couldn't have caused it unless he was part of the planning. And nobody's even making that charge for the big questions for. Investigators has been whether or not whether the people who attacked they capital whether this was a just a a mob that just got out of control or whether there was planning and we're learning from people were talking to familiar with the investigation that they're getting indications some evidence that they've seen that indicates that there was some level of planning they've noticed From looking at surveillance cameras from looking at some of the weaponry that showed up that there were people who were at the ellipse where there was a trump rally earlier in the day. Some people left the scene of that rally early and appeared to have gone to retrieve weapons that then turned up at the scene of the riot at the happen base that everything. The fbi has learned. It was not some sort of spontaneous decision by a bunch of quote protesters to go up to capitol hill and storm capitol hill. This was all planned out and now chilling new report that there was an fbi internal report the day before the siege warning of a violent war at the capital in new reporting that the f. b. i. Received a very specific warning before the riot. Cbs's jeff gays who's been reporting all day. Good evening jeff. Nor that i notice warned of more at the capital but for some reason security wasn't stepped up there. Meet the challenge that that attack would post on how much of it was planned. How much of this was strategized ahead of time. People wandering around exercising their first amendment rights. Don't bring ropes and ladders in sledgehammers to a spontaneous event. This was a planned assault as if before the week. Prior to the insurrection. I started to get text messages that i needed to be careful in particular. I needed to be careful about six. Oh everybody knew well. How did donald trump sports than on the six incite insurrection. That was already preplanned. Predetermined plotting planning scheming. That went into this apparently went on for weeks and apparently everybody knew what did what steps did these people take to stop it. That's the bigger scarier scenario if you believe in protecting our institutions and protecting our elected officials. Let's get to our phones. Say hi to baba's in texas what's up bob. How are you glad you called. Thanks for having me on your show. Thank you sir. Discussion about the the who constitutional issues here. But i'd like to raise one that i haven't seen raised before. And that is that many members of congress said that they feared for life and they ran and they witnessed this crime of the capital being invaded. Well under two hundred years of american jurisprudence this disqualifies them to sit a jury and the senate should have really all the senators who said that they were harmed by this. Are you know now. Invalidated as being Jurors in this in this trial in the sense that you claiming that they're witnesses or or that they're aggrieved. I mean i've sat on juries before. And anybody who's a witness to the crime or anyone who's aggrieved. They can't sit in bit. Can't sit in the jury box. So they all recused themselves. Okay that would that would be in a system that actually cared even the slightest bit about impartiality due process fundamental fairness Before we even get to that point that you're making which is a great point and probably would be valid in a real court of law not this show trial this theater. That's going on in the swamp You wouldn't have a guy that is precisely presiding over these proceedings that has predetermined the guilt of the person that now he's presiding over and that would be patrick layhee so it's a kangaroo court if you've ever seen one and the fact that this can even happen in this great country this great constitutional republic is beyond any comprehension that any any clear thinking intellectually honest american could ever support. Everybody sees right through this. John roberts is not there for a reason because he doesn't believe it's constitutional. That's why he's not there now. The constitution calls for the chief justice. He's not going to do it so we'll replace them with a guy that has already said to convict trump and we're supposed to buy that. I don't think so anyway bob. Good points D- oil napleton georgia. What's up doyle. Thank you for calling glad you join us. Hey man i've got to do a better job of keeping in touch with you Since you left atlanta instead of calling you your show every once in a while. Now i only call every once in a decade or so well by the way thank you for sticking with me means a lot i i really appreciate it and It means more than you know. Absolutely twenty twenty eight years ago. I found twenty eight years ago. And hey if i can just refresh your memory right quick and tell you a little quick story The last time. I talked to you actually nine years ago and i told you that i had actually gotten into radio myself because he's always wanted to do When i was on the show with you we actually carry your show on our. am station. well. It's too now debbie l. Bdu's talk we're gonna wear me. Yeah i say it again. I yes sir And the the funny story. I wanted to tell you is my. My managers are station. Owner was actually listening. When i was on there. He didn't know i'd call into your show. And he hears me talking to you and he says he told me later he said you're laughing and cutting up john hannity like of the best of friends and they said you can imagine not shot when i realized it was one of my. He's he's talking to. Oh that's funny. That's very funny. I was you know what i learned i. I'll tell you learned a lot of lessons in georgia and i had four wonderful years there. I have in my office a year. End addition of the atlanta journal constitution. Right and and it it says. Nineteen ninety-six was a great year but for two reasons the olympic came and sean hannity left. I left to go to a startup news channel. Nobody had ever heard of called fox news and by the way. I can't tell you how many people told me you're an idiot for doing this. And i said okay. Well i'm an idiot. I you know. I got to lose right and i ended up being a now. I have no idea how it was possible. Twenty five year journey. And i feel honoured feel blessed. I'm very appreciative humbled. Even and but i will tell you i love my time in atlanta. Learned some big lessons learned. Richard jewell lesson. They're tell you another story. And i don't know if you heard the show. There was a time that a guy regular caller called in and said i just wanted to call and say one last goodbye checking out now mike. Okay what you moving. What did you know what's going on where you going. And i hate to lose listeners. I don't wanna lose one listener right. I don't wanna lose one viewer. And he's not an arm checking out long story short. I see my program director picked up before i did. He's like keep this guy on the line blow every break them on the line. Try and get the location trying to location. Try and get the location and we just. We were talking and talking about well. Let's talk about your family. Let's what are the things in life. You love if you made a list of all the good things in your life and you made a list of all the crap in your life which which things you know we got gotta balance what you love more than anything. Do you have kids. Yes do you have deal. Do you love sunshine. You love a beautiful sunset. The love of sport. Do you love watching sports. Do you like georgia football. Whatever happened a lot right and you know. I kept them on. Just please tell me where you are. He said he had taken a bottle of pills and he said he'd drank like you know i don't know i don't know the i guess. A quart of vodka. Something like something like that. It's a long time ago. And and i said please tell me we are. Just tell me people will. We're going to send help. We want you to stay around. I need listeners. I can't lose a listener. You're a great guy. I love you. Okay gives the location and within thirty seconds like a hundred cars and ambulance descended at that location. And i realized then. I'm like holy cloud that that's that that kind of blew me away but it taught me a lesson about responsibility. Richard jewel taught me. Don't rush to judgment. You know my buddy. Neil bortz remember you ever listen to neil yay a matter of fact. He said he ran out of town. When you listen to me. I ran your ass outta town. I'm like well the only one that ever beat you in an even a single rating book in your in your incredible career anyway. But we're still friends but he he tells me all the time and he sends me pictures of all these beautiful places with the boards bus right and it just to me nuts because he knows i'm working my tail off and just to say oh retirements. Great i'm like. I hate you but neil anyway neal was just a talk show host and you know neil neil is you know. He's very gifted very talented. And neil one said to me after nine. Eleven he goes. You know. I used to think you too serious to think you know. This is all bolt this all bs. What we do and after nine eleven after a period of time we were just hanging out one day and he said i don't believe that anymore. What we what we're doing is important and it was. It was interesting because he changed. And i said yeah i said neil the country. There's not a lot of us that believe this. And even have a voice to say this. And that's why this d platforming the cancel. Culture is so dangerous because they wanna cancel anybody that has alternative use. That's why they're after me back in a couple of us on fox to right. I'll give you the less work God i could talk for hours this talking about memories in different things but i i just tell you this in you know you talk about Going to talks news and all that what. You've done is spectacular. I mean i mean to think that you know. I i used to call your show and came to the some of the events that you went to remember the the right wing dang paul shanklin and the right wing wayne thing. We call the I came to that and to think that you know this guy that was just in atlanta. You know and i met. And you know you're always nice and welcoming to think that you know all these years later you know your own you know hundreds of radio stations and and on television. I mean it just shows it goes to show you. Can you can go from nowhere to everywhere if you just you know pursue this look my life is. I never expected any of those linda. How many stations that we all. Now i don't even know you. You keep bigger track of that than i do Oh i know. It's over six hundred lens. Linda's not paying attention. She's she's distracted. I'm looking at her. she's not even paying him sorry. How many stations are we. We're on over six hundred close to seven hundred now. Oh my gosh. I didn't even know that all right. So my point is and toil. I want you to know something and i feel like bless beyond anything i deserve. I'm humbled by it. I'm appreciative beyond what i could. Words can express. I take my job seriously. I don't take myself seriously. i get hit a lot. I'm hit almost every day. And i don't care because people like you for all these years have given me an opportunity to say things that others won't say to investigate things. They won't investigate and and fight for values that we all share and i can't thank you for the for your support all these years. Don lake ronkonkoma joe in l. j. another another listener in georgia. But i'm very blessed all right my friend. God bless you keep calling. Don't make it every ten years. I may not be here in ten years. Eight hundred nine. Four one sean. If you wanna be a part of the program. I mean i yeah. Everybody thought i was nuts. When i came up here and went to fox. They thought it was crazy. Nobody fox wasn't on the air yet. What's fox fox. News wants that anyway. people know. Now right that's gonna wrap things up for tonight all right full complete coverage news. You won't get from the mob. Mark levin senator. Graham judge pirro great jared jim jordan. He'll join us herschel. Walker and leo terell two point. Oh say a. Dvr hannity nine eastern on fox will see them. Thanks for being with us as always am back here tomorrow. Couldn't see you out. We were completely surrounded and they all look like the same person sambas itching to convert us into their weird hollywood colt everywhere. We turn there were and more. Were coming in every opening around us. It seemed like they were calling out to each other telepathically. Get them fresh meat. I thought the only way out was to give in and go with them. But just as i started to follow their leader. It hit me adrian. Hand met my cheek. Yeah i slapped him with one. Quick strike to the face snub. Elevate patrick let's get the hell out of here and that's when we made a run for it through the opening in the crowd we were only a few feet from making it out when they blocked us in again. We were goners redfield. 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The Witch Hunt Will Never End

The Sean Hannity Show

1:33:08 hr | 6 months ago

The Witch Hunt Will Never End

"Thousands of you of listened my listeners. You've made the switch from your overpriced wireless carrier to pure talk. Usa in the past few months. What does everybody waiting for. You get the exact same service right now. They have special plans. The big carriers will never offer unlimited talk text six gigs of data thirty bucks. A month is go to pure talk. Usa dot com. Enter the promo code sean. You'll save an additional fifty percents starting your first month pure talk. Usa dot com promo code. Sean glad you're with us sign. Yeah another shift show charade is just started last night on hannity. I mentioned the my buddy mark. Simone's tweet tomorrow is impeachment day. obviously that's today The democrats impeach trump every february. It's now becoming an annual event like the golden globes remember last february when they missed the pandemic starting because they were focused on impeachment Good points well. Sold the democrats predictable. Nothing i it is. It is an amazing spectacle that is not going to end. Well my prediction for the democrats. The longer this goes on and say well okay. We know we don't have the votes. This is this has a predetermined. Now come but the longer it goes on the worse it gets for them because he's not president. There's no removal from office and more and more we have the same mob in the media that went along with the democrats in this. Snap impeachment having to now report about how the attack on the capital was preplanned. There were organizers. There were people plotting people planning there. Were people scheming to to to make this happen on that day. Now why is that important. Because it takes the whole january sixth rally of donald trump inciting the mob to go and and cause an insurrection at the capitol and it blows it up. That's a problem for them. All even play some of that coming up in throughout the program today and so on top of that it gets more interesting. And i didn't pick this up yesterday. I don't know why missed maria. Maria show sunday morning futures. Because i usually don't miss it. But she added on white house former white house chief of staff mark meadows and he pointed out how the president been very vocal about offering the national guard and a presence at the capitol on numerous occasions in january and he was rebuked every time quote. We know that in january but also throughout the summer the president was very vocal and making sure we had plenty of national guard plenty of additional support because he supports our rule of law law and support our law enforcement and offered additional help even in january. That was a given as many as ten thousand national guard. Troops were told to be on the ready by the secretary of defense that was a direct order from the president and yet here is what we see all kinds of blame going around but yet not a whole lot of accountability. Now this is why where. I think we need the whole nine. Eleven style commission report And look this is going to go down three ways one way or it looks like the this ends a week from today and it's going to be loud and it's going to be never ending and it's gonna be repetitive and it's gonna be hyperbole it's theater this is not real. This is washington being the swamp when you have a predetermined outcome and you're doing it anyway that's called a waste of taxpayer time money dollars you name now. We could be discussing. Well what do we do to get the guys that were working on the keystone xl pipeline. Back to work. We could be talking about how to get the guys that were constructing the border wall back to work We could be talking about well. How do we better distribute vaccine that. Donald trump had done with operation warp speed because the governors are incompetent at its distribution. And how can we fix and solve that problem We could be working on relief. For american families and businesses that have suffered because of the pandemic and subsequent draconian shutdowns of others. We're we're not doing any of the above and on top of that you know we. We've got some great ideas for this week. It's going to be fun. i'm excited about at all. Because it is. It's sort of like low hanging fruit going after democrats and their their rank hypocrisy because of the bottom line is democrats are focusing on the you know with all the riots that have occurred in the last year the only one they cared about is the one in washington and we now know that the police chief six separate times called for the national guard even before they started to be brought in they knew. Hundreds of thousands of people were going to march from the washington monument to the capital. And they didn't have any preparation for such now we know that congresswoman cossio cortez has acknowledged. He knew a week in advance. She had been hearing. This is all going to happen. Well who knew what. And when and why do we wanna know because we need to protect our institutions. And yes we need. To protect every elected official is transcends any any political ideology or philosophy or party it doesn't matter if you're a conservative or liberal or a republican democrat their elected officials. They need to be protected period. End of sentence and none of which happened but the silence over the summer. When we had let's see police precincts burned to the ground. We had what twenty five hundred cops injured. In the course of the summer and the rioting they were being pelted with rocks and bricks and molotov cocktails and frozen water bottles and sticks and knives and they were being shot at almost. Thirty people died as the insurrection. There we had entire city blocks taken over commandeered by leftists and democratic politician. Saying this is a summer of love zone spaghetti. Potluck dinners zone. Chaz chop zone and autonomous zone while the president wanted to send people in and and and the occupation but wasn't allowed to do so and the same with attacking federal courthouse buildings in the rights that went on in portland day after day and night after night and the utter incompetence and unwillingness to stop or even speak out against the violence and the writing there. And for the record at a briefing. Today at the white house as the second impeachment shift show charade starts was getting underway. Jen psaki the white house. Press secretary pressed on how. The biden administration felt about the incendiary rhetoric from democrats in congress. Oh we've been playing a lot of it and that would be maxine waters. That would be joe biden on a beat the hell out of donald trump and that would be chuck schumer threatening supreme court justices that would-be kamala harris after the police precinct. Minneapolis burned to the ground. Say and then not gonna stop you. Beware you take note on on both levels. They're not gonna stop. They shouldn't stop. We shouldn't stop okay in the middle of writing maybe not exactly the right words and then on top of that adding An and supporting efforts to bail out those people involved in the writing from jail. That's great anyway. The attorneys for the president now pointing comments from twenty eighteen. Maxine waters is one of them called. Supporters had a rally. You are to confront them to conquer your to create a crowd and you're to follow them into the grocery stores. He's talking about members of the cabinet of donald trump. They're not wanted anywhere anymore. Biden advise cedric richmond at even defended water saying she had constitutional right to express those views. Well then then all still trump said fight like hell at the january sixth rally. We played all the montages of every democrat common term politicians. Go out and fight fight for your values fight for this fight for it. Didn't seem to go out and have a physical brawl and the president. He can't ignore the fact that he said many of you will peacefully patriotically now march to the capital. So your voices will be heard. I'll how do you overcome that shift. Joe lipsey daisy over embassy. They have a reported noting that you know. All of these instances jen psaki for example at is this The white house view this as any different. What water said jos the president. He's not a pundit he's not gonna pine on the back and forth arguments nor is he watching them That are taking place in the senate what what happened to mr. unity at thought. He was going to bring the country together or nancy. Pelosi's comments when the wisconsin state house There was there little insurrection issue going on there. The president yeah apparently offered to deploy the national guards beforehand. Kinda goes away from all the arguments that have been made but okay. Democrats want to focus in on only one of the many riots. This country has experienced over the last year wall street journal. Good piece out to that. Democrats already know the outcome but they think it'll hurt the gop. Actually that's beginning to shift. They beginning to worry greatly because they know that they're now and the the that this will be so time consuming that it will take away from any agenda that they wanted to push through in the first one hundred days of by and then if this doesn't work they're thinking about a plan. B maybe the fourteenth amendment maybe censure anyway trump believes that. We'll we'll see what happens but we already have forty-five republican senators on record believing it's unconstitutional. And they're right and the new york times. Tom friedman you know is right in all the wrong ways on impeachment. And you know he's talking about you know they don't they don't have republicans in cunanan in china and and how do we do this week after week month after month and think we're serious country we're so deeply unserious as a country. Now we need to put this crap behind us. He says and get focused on the future. Because right now we're going to be falling father and father behind okay. Daily caller said that the outbursts by friedman was complimenting china on their on their faster trains that they have in spite of. You know all the other bad stuff that goes on in that country and all the suppression of individual rights and all the territorial ambitions that are taking place there So anyway you know what you have is probably both sides looking to avoid a dragged out impeachment. Battle is likely can't say for certain i'd say eighty five percent is gonna be something that's over in a week and there is some trepidation and fear among a lot of democrats and apparently biden deep down but biden. I don't think has the ability to stand up to his radical base. But if you look at you know the president now being out of office as long as he's been out of office okay. Well he's still take it. He's still. he's still bringing all the attention to him. Insurrection charges. I'm pretty sure. This is going to break down to three separate arguments for the defense. And i don't think it's going to take them the sixteen hours that they've allocated to eat side and i would argue that the big part of it's gonna be the lack of constitutionality which would include jurisdictional issues that he's a private citizen therefore they don't have the jurisdiction For this trial second. I think it's going to be argued on the whole issue of of what actually happened. And now that we're learning that it was preplanned that there this was an organized orchestrated preplanned. Effort law enforcement is telling us that even the liberal news media mob is telling us that even congresswoman cossio cortez's telling us that and everybody else in between is telling us that so now they've got a problem. Fbi investigators now court. Documents are all telling us that. So the idea that a spiny spontaneous. I don't think it's gonna work and on top of all of that who's presiding. It's not chief justice. John roberts says the constitution calls for no. They've decided on patrick. Layhee a guy that has already again this this supposed to be a trial. A guy that has already said trump should be convicted as presiding over these proceedings. Now does that make. Does that seem like a fair trial to any decent american at doesn't sound like america at all to me. 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Sean and you'll save an additional fifty percent off your first month. That's pure talk. Usa dot com promo code. Sean all right twenty five till the top of the hour Glad you're with us eight hundred nine. Four one sean. If you wanna be a part of the program so there's all this going on. This show is not going to spend an entire week regurgitating. Every single argument that we already know is going to be made when we know what the outcome is going to be that it's predetermined. I see no point in that at all now when it gets interesting will let you know 'cause we'll monitor. Unfortunately i have now had to task people that work on radio and tv too after. Sit and watch this crap. It's a horrible thing it's like. Torture actually offered a food. Bonus you can order as much ubereats scrub food that you can possibly consume in the time that you're you must suffer through all of this. Oh man linda thank god. It's not us right. Thank god one hundred percent. Oh could you imagine i. It's too much to think it would break the tv. Oh linda would break the tv. She still might by the time. This is all said and done. Just have no idea where that's going to end up but we'll be watching. It's gonna get interesting. Now is three arguments here. One the constitutional argument jurisdictional issues included. They don't have jurisdiction number two is going to be. Oh the snap impeachment with no witnesses. No defense no due process nothing and and how they race to get this done. Because that's what the democrats do for political purposes. Now it's a political show trial because forty-five senators say. No it's not constitutional every senator by the way i don't care. What your political point of view is. You should not be validating this. This is dangerous to validate and legitimize. What the house did here. Here's an example. Play the longer montage. Pay attention now. Remember a cossio. Cortez says she knew a week in advance that this is likely going to happen and we had you know the chief of police capital police. Yeah asking an advance for the national guard. Trump offering the national guard mark meadows saying on on sunday morning morning futures with maria. Barreda romo over the weekend so all of that happened. Then now we have court filings and fbi investigators saying it and now that has had to result because the mob. The media went along with all things democrats because they're the press office and even they now know they could not ignore it anymore. Especially when the video came out of the pipe bomb pipebombs actually being planted ahead of time which now investigators are telling us believe was a diversionary tactic to inflict even more damage. Any but here's the mob. The media now again going against the very impeachment the the premise of the impeachment which is the incitement to insurrection. Listen for the big questions for. Investigators has been whether or not whether the people who attacked the capital. Whether this was a just a mob that just got out of control or whether there was planning and we're learning from people were talking to familiar with the investigation that they are getting indications some evidence that they've seen that indicates that there was some level of planning they've noticed From looking at surveillance cameras from looking at some of the weaponry that showed up that there were people who were at the ellipse where there was a trump rally earlier in the day. Some people left the scene of that rally early and appeared to have gone to retrieve weapons that then turned up at the scene of the riot at the capital base that everything the fbi has learned. It was not some sort of spontaneous decision by a bunch of quote protesters to go up to capitol hill and storm capitol hill. This was all planned out. I wanna get to this issue of coordination and premeditation. Because only and this is really the leading edge of this investigation and for the first time today we heard the us attorneys say that he believes the pipebombs are connected to the writers and that it was a diversionary tactic so right at the height of this between twelve forty five and one fifteen when president trump speaking you have the first group pushing onto the capitol complex. The first pipebombs reported at the rnc headquarters here in washington. Then at one fifteen. The second is reported at the dnc and the us attorney said today he thought they were diversionary which means they were an effort to pull first responders away from the capital at the very timeframe that they were breaching onto the capital so it would further weaken security at that site. And all of this goes to. I'm sorry it's a long answer. It all goes to the idea. Premeditation and coordination among individuals. Out of their chilling new report that there was an fbi internal report the day before the siege warning of a violent war at the capitol new reporting that the fbi received a very specific warning before the riot. Let's bring in. Cbs is jeff. Who's been reporting all day. Good evening jeff. Or that i notice warned of war at the capital but for some reason security was stepped up there to meet the challenge that that attack would pose on how much of it was was planned. How much of this was Strategized ahead of time. People wandering around exercising their first amendment rights don't bring ropes and ladders and sledge hammers to a spontaneous event is planned assault is if going after a castle a week before one week before the week. Prior to the insurrection. I started to get text messages. That i needed to be careful and not in particular i needed to be careful about the six and those text messages came from other members of congress. Not they were not threats but they were other members saying that they knew premeditated planned attacks. They plotted they plan. They they schemed. The fbi was warned and nobody did anything. Nobody why why. That's our capital. We the pe- that's the countries this is. These are our institutions. Why didn't they do anything prepared. Assault so that takes the entire argument the entire article of the snap impeachment. And it disintegrates it because that is the argument so the these. The defense has three arguments three main arguments. And it really. Isn't that hard. One is the constitutionality to no jurisdiction. There's nobody to remove from any office here that i have jurisdiction over private citizen. The answer is no because he's not in office so that is a fairly simple argument. We've we've argued that we've had on more experts analyzing for idolizing that for you again and again now you move. Then they'll move to the whole issue. This was all premeditated that they plan these attacks that they were warnings intelligence. That was all missed. A planned assault on the capital. All right now. Well that doesn't get every maga- person that was at the rally off the hook. Well if you look at the size of the crowd that showed up at the washington monument. It was massive now. They knew the night before. I remember dansk gavino. tweeting out. We can hear you in the west wing of the white house. They heard all the people that had been there the night before that were there in washington to go to the rally so law enforcement had plenty of knowledge that the crowd was likely to be large. All the crowd at the washington monument for the rally was huge. And then they're going to focus on. Okay well this is now the definition and this this this is where you know this is. The this is the slam dunk end of this case. Forty-five senators voted to end the impeachment. Show trial predetermined outcome not constitutional no jurisdiction over private citizen. You can't remove somebody from an office. They don't hold and doesn't matter democrats because this is cathartic to get out there any remaining rage. It's sorta like the last rocky know and his brother-in-law rocco rocco clean out the basement. You know get rid of whatever demon just you still have in there. While they're sort of cleaning out the last refuge of of rage psychosis and trump paint here. And then they're going to get into this whole thing about the democrats in the things that they've said. I mean i mentioned a number of people mentioned comma harris. I mentioned joe biden. I think he can add probably shifty. you know. The corrupt congenital liar. Adam schiff maxine waters has called for harassment and violence against the president. Is staffers his cabinet and others talk about. I'm going to take trump out tonight all of these these moments. We'll now if this is the definition of insurrection than that that same standard has to apply to everybody. Chuck schumer threatening to. Us supreme court justices cory booker go to the hill. Get up and please get up and in some of the faces of some congress people you know who talks about taking a president behind the gym to beat the hell out of him. You imagine if i ever said that about any democratic president i never by the way never would never ever political differences are different are quite different in the context of the precinct burnt to the ground. In minneapolis that goes to the comma harris part. You know nearly every media outlet and the f. b. i. n. court documents and congresswoman alexandria. Ocasio cortez this was all premeditated preplanned. And they're giving the details of such because that that would then mean that was then. Yeah you can go to the president's words they're going to spend a lotta time. The president said the fight like kelly. You're gonna lose your country okay. I got a montage of democrats saying fight fight fight. You want to hear them on. I'll play it again if you wanna hear. It was this We keep fighting. Keep fighting and fighting and finding for this. That doesn't mean we don't fight. I think we have to fight harder than ever. We know this is going to be a hard fight. That's going to be a competitive fight. We should dream big fight hard in take back. Our country is the fight of our lives. Stand up and fight for the best of who we are and unprepared to fight. And i know how to fight. I'm ready for that fight. Increasing numbers of people are ready for that fight. Stand up and fight for democracy. I will buy every day. Tell there's only two ways to win a fight. You can win a fight through submission or through exhaustion. We can't just imagine a better future. We've got to fight for. We continue to fight for progressive agenda in future. That's what we're fighting against When we fight republicans in congress who don't wanna pass legislation now. This is time for every single one of us to get up and fight for our country. This new fresh class in congress has got to come in and really set the agenda and fight fight fight fight fight fight well authorities. The fbi will warned about impending war at the capital. That was being planned even weeks in advance. How did they miss the intelligent. Why didn't they react to the intelligence. Why didn't they accept the president's offer for national guard troops. Why did they deny the capitol police chief. The the guard troops that he asked for before and during you know. You've got a new network now. The the this comprehensive analysis new york post had a story today a sprawling network of federal local law enforcement across the us is designed to stave off these terrorist threats. They failed to protect the capital. We can't have that in this country in a post nine eleven world. I don't want anybody to have to live through any of these moments again. We need to secure our institutions and yes every elected official and the idea. That officials didn't act on intelligence. Why not the wall street journal said yesterday intelligence that they had included warnings from federal local law enforcement quote fusion centers around the country warning of protesters traveling to dc with weapons. The wall street journal reported citing internal documents viewed by the newspaper. Fbi field office was warned by federal and local agencies handling security for the protest of and demonstrations sharing map so the capital and that the actual call for war despite the warnings the intelligence arm of the department of homeland security wrote well. There's nothing significant to report in january fifth memo to law enforcement as a result security forces in dc. Were not prepared for. What was we now know premeditated plan that day. We know according to the journal that the heads of these fusion centers as they call them. We're local law enforcement share intelligence with federal authorities. They hosted a call on january fourth warning about the number of participants. Planning to bring weapons. Intelligence was shared with the dc fusion center and intern. The offices were tasked with providing the security for january sixth department of homeland security. Didn't answer the journals questions of it. Took any action based on the call while the fbi said it held a separate call to brief other law enforcement officials. Why didn't they bring in. All of their guys insist. The national guard needed to be called up. They also pointed out and highlighted at the fbi. Field office norfolk. Virginia pointed to a message board. Where one user was urging protesters to go there quote ready for war sharing maps of the capitol complex that intelligence was shared with the joint. Terrorism task force in dc not acted upon by the fbi according to the report. This is this this this this is you know. We have a lot of enemies as a country. May have a lot of disagreements as americans. But we're one america where united states of america and one thing. We need to agree on we to keep our country safe and all these other battles become quite insignificant. When you have people that are planning such an attack at qualcomm we believe in staying connected and you can see us wherever five. G is helping transform telemedicine supporting remote education empowering mobile. pc's the invention ages here learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age. Glad you're with us. Our to sean hannity show on friend of this program Who is the president's lawyer has now begun the arguments down. The first part of this is arguing over the constitutionality. There'll be a a motion to dismiss after this and that will represent the floor of where this will ultimately end and in other words if you get the forty five votes that rand. Paul's motion got prior to this. That would mean that of forty-five republican senators which we would expect Vote again after the motion and dismissed not to impeach the president. Then that would mean that. This is a an exercise in futility with the complete full predetermined outcome before we get to jordansekulow. Greg jarrett getting the legal arguments. He'll let's go to our friend. You recognize his voice. David shown who just started turning up the heat pretty early. They tell us that we have to have this impeachment trial such as it is to bring about unity. But they don't want unity and they know this. So-called trial will tear the country in half leaving tens of millions of americans. Feeling left out of the nation's agenda as dictated by one political party that now holds the power in the white house and in our national legislature. But they're proud americans who never quit getting back up when they're down and they don't take dictates from another party based on partisan force-feeding this trial will tear this country apart. Perhaps like we have only seen once before in our history and to help the nation. He'll we now learn that. The house managers in their wisdom have hired a movie company and a large law firm to create manufacturer and spliced for you a package designed by experts to chill and horrify you and our fellow americans they wanna put you through a sixteen hour presentation over two days focusing on this as if it were some sort of blood sport and to what end for healing for unity for accountability. Not for any of those for they. Surely they're much better ways to achieve each it is again for pure raw misguided partisanship that makes them believe playing to our worst instincts. Somehow his good. They don't need to show you movies to show you that. The riott happened here. We will stipulate that it happened and you know all about it. This is a process fueled irresponsibly by base hatred by these house managers and those who gave them their charge and they are willing to sacrifice our national character to advance their hatred and their fear that one day they might not be the party in power they have a very different view of democracy and freedom from justice jackson. Vance david just just leveled them and i was actually surprised by this came out with. Yeah okay what does impeachment basically mean to the democrats nothing with dates starting from pretty much day one in january twenty seventeen just a small. We have a big montage. We use but it. Small montage of impeach. Him impeach him impeach. Him impeach is all they've ever wanted to do country knows this at this point but let's play that part snap impeachment process. The house of representatives denied every attribute of fundamental constitutional due process. That americans correctly have come to believe is part of what makes this country so great. How and why did that happen. It is a function of the insatiable lust for impeachment in the house for the past. Four years consider this. I want to say this for. Donald trump who i may well be voting to impeach. Donald trump has already done a number of things which legitimately raised the question of impeachment. I don't respect this president. And i will every day until here's and bates to start impeachment proceedings those grounds to start impeachment those are grouse historic impeachment proceedings and yes. I think that's grounds to start impeachment proceedings. I rise today. Mr speaker call for the impeachment of the president of the united states of america. I continue to say thirty five five. So we're calling upon the house to begin impeachment hearings immediately impeach donald trump which vote. Yes for i would vote. Yes i would vote. I would vote to go on there but the fact is i introduced articles of impeachment in july of twenty seventeen. We don't impeach the president. He will get reelected. Plows requires me to eight for impeachment having a peach. But here's the scarlata. I on his chest. Representatives should begin impeachment proceedings against this president. And it's time to antitrust charges against him bringing impeachment charges. My personal view is that He richly deserves impeachment. Let's wake it's been four straight years of this. I assume a motion to dismiss follows and we will then get what will be a floor meaning than not gonna get seventeen republicans to go along with this joining us greg. Jarrett host of new podcast the brief author to new york times number one bestsellers jordansekulow executive director for the american center for law and justice co host of the jaysekulow live author of the bestseller. The next red wave Thank you both for being here. I'm watching david. Shown we know him. Well on this program. Greg jarrett and pretty powerful open so far from what i see. I can't really watch the rest of it. David has has really put the matter in proper perspective in done so persuasively and compellingly and he needed to do that I mean it. You know jamie raskin. The lead house manager On behalf of democrats took just three minutes into his opening argument before he cute up. A graphic video of the mob and blamed it on trump. When trump at one point in time said you know we need to fight like hell for our country. Trump was using the term figuratively. Not literally raskin knows that democrats knows that and they just played in last hour for this. Show a montage of aimed fight. I'm going to fight. We'll fight we'll fight you know common term. How many times have have lawmakers on the floor of congress said. We're gonna fight this. We're gonna fight that and of course they don't mean it literally. They mean figuratively. So they're taking it wholly out of context and conveniently leaving out of the cliffs. What trump really said to the crowd. That was gathered peacefully and patriotically when you marched down to the capital so it was a setup it was cleverly put together by a movie company and this is all intended to stoke in jennifer motion. Why because they lack merit on the case in earnest jordansekulow adding to that you know there are three aspects of this and today's arguments. The constitutionality david shown did discuss the fact with a snap impeachment. there had been no investigation We now have all of the details of a massive intelligence failure that occurred and in other words. We know this was premeditated these were plans attack. There was a plot scheme planning The fbi they go on a great detail had been specifically warned and didn't do a thing about it And on an even a new york post piece today that you have an admitted. Black lives matter supporter. John sullivan just got slapped with additional charges for playing a primary role in instigating violence during the january six capital riot according to their reporting so that's aspect number two that will snap impeachment but it was preplanned. It wasn't a spontaneous quote. Insurrection incited by the words donald trump and and lastly what about the insurrection is language that i play off of the democrats themselves. Sean this is a continuation. This impeachment and i was on the floor of the first one on that legal team What we call in law especially the international law but it's certainly been experienced by this president as lost there and he's going through right now and it's not just the the second impeachment muller the first impeachment of our phone call that thirty five other people were on. He's got da's he's got the georgia secretary of state referring a phone call To a da. There he's got tax. You know the tax issues still is in question new york. Da the new york attorney general Florida is going after for where he lives. It is nonstop. They cannot let go of a former president. And you know that that again. I think plays into the argument off. He's not looking too. It's not like you can escape the legal system by leaving office president in fact when you leave office as president the legal system can come at a hundred miles per hour quicker then cook before because of the protections you have. Wow your presence. And this idea that he's january exception. I know they wanted to do something. Gives a hashtag going. That is not the case. If the president is is even believed to be guilty of inciting insurrection as david showed said he should be in handcuffs. You know he should be a should be getting knocked on the door. None of that has occurred Even because all of those prosecutors though even the ones hate him that they're not going to be able to meet any of those standards in a court of law so they're trying to do an impeachment arguing. They have a constitutional authority to try a private citizen but that they can ignore the first amendment rights. I mean that's gonna be part of their second argument here is that it's really the first amendment doesn't apply when you're president. You're held to a higher standard and no one is held to a higher standard than the constitution itself including those members and so yes they can try to show video. I think it shows desperation house. Managers have got caught. And i think you already hear parts of how they're going to take apart their entire articles of impeachment that it was written wrong. They actually lacked the process. They rushed this that they a month and a half later. This is not the same and the people. don't feel safe. And and why are we talking about. Donald trump every day now for the next week and a half and in the whole lead up to this instead of what the vitamin the is trying to accomplish. And it's because of that fear the president trump and his supporters. And i think the word was used. Cancel out the cancel culture. They want to cancel this president and they want to somehow chancellor supporters. You could shut down his twitter account. But you can't shut down seventy five million people and their views aren't going to change and in fact you're reminding them about why they have these years so constitutionally it's like even senator cornyn senate i keep going back to it. They go down this road and they they. They'll hold this vote today. Yes it will show that the president cannot will not be a peach. He'll be acquitted again. he'll be vindicated again but they will go down the road. The now opens the door for republican senators to say you know what and you know republican house to say you know what barack obama with the fast and furious where people got killed. Is he directly responsible. What about the. Irs targeting of conservative groups that. That's certainly a high crime and misdemeanor do we now impeach him for just the purpose of going through it and maybe then we get a vote on so he can't hold off the city boards it take it take away all of his advantages of being a former president like his security. That's an issue here to take away your security. Take you way your your ability to keep your family. Thanks that that is that that again will be part of the. I think the bigger argument here. But today i mean all about this that happens seems like both sides now are shunning witnesses. Yeah there won't be any live. Witnesses there simply manufacturing case of emotion via videotape by professional film company. That's that's what Democrats in the house managers are doing. They're playing to emotion not to facts not to evidence. Now we know that there is compelling evidence that the attackers plan their assault days and weeks in advance. This is evidence collected by the fbi. It's impossible for a person to incite a preplanned event. And so this just underscores how. Nancy pelosi crafted sloppy articles of impeachment charging trump with incitement. Where there's no actual evidence of incitement it other nowhere to. The president advocated direct to supporters to launch an assault or the nation's capital to attack the lease to threaten lawmakers in commit destruction of property and looting and vandalism nowhere. Show me where the president said that and democrats will say well you know there are clips of people who say. They were inspired by the president. That's your relevant. A specific intent crime called incitement. You have to intend it. Nowhere to the president intend that look at his word. It's not how people perceive president president's words but what he said and what he intended there is no incitement case your take. How does it enjoyed secular but it ends with the president being acquitted and vindicated yet again They they're trying to tarnish him in his supporters. They don't really care about the game. I think they care more about just showing videos trying to tarnish him for the midterms and the effect you could have on that. They're barely hanging onto power in the house. The senate and so i think again. It's gonna end and acquitted. We're gonna see that face. Vote like you said very soon if the forty five remain that the democrat. The house managers know. They've lost already. That's why i think that The witness issue is probably not going to happen because neither side wants especially the democrat side. Were honestly i think the president's i could call witnesses to talk about exactly what greg just said is all. This was preplanned that we have this. Intel's failure by the sergeant of arms to sell your these other Policing departments to put enough security in place. And for god's sakes if we had to ban if we can't use the word fight in political rhetoric in none of read all of the fundraising emails. You get from both sides of the aisle using that kind of language. And if i say well that encouraged me. That's the reason why punch my neighbor. Who's a democrat or. That's the reason by democrat neighbor. Punched me that is not the country wanna live in where we care about the freedom of speech which they are trying to ramble on the second part of this trampling on our first amendment right. Yeah no you're right on all points as are you. Greg jordansekulow greg jarrett. Thank you when we come back. Congressman andy biggs on this ship show charade as we continue. Couldn't see you out. We were completely surrounded and they all look like the same person sambas itching to convert us into their weird hollywood colt everywhere return there. They were and more were coming spilling into every opening around us. It seemed like they were calling out to each other telepathically. Get them fresh meat. I thought the only way out was to give in and go with them. But just as i started to follow their leader. It hit me. Adrian is hand my cheek. Yeah i slapped him with a one quick strike to the face. Snap out of it patrick. Let's get the hell out of here. And that's when we made a run for it through the only opening in the crowd. We were only a few feet from making it out when they blocked sin again. We were goners redfield. America's storytelling show. the kind. hollywood doesn't want you to hear listened to redfield america on iheartradio or wherever you get your podcast. That's red pilled. I twenty five till the top of the hour impeachment shift sham cherie show and it's everything we predicted with a predetermined outcome. It's pretty amazing. The underlying theme of the impeachment charge of inciting insurrection. We're spending a lot of time on this because the democrat stairs only singularly focused on well only one riot that they cared about over the last year and the only one they cared about them last year but the one they cared about was in d. C. and their argument is in satement towards insurrection. And well we had riots all summer in the biggest cities run by liberal democrats homicides. Were up thirty percent last year and a period. Over the summer we had police precincts occupied and others burned to the ground. We had city blocks occupied a chaz chop thomas summer of love spaghetti logged dinner zones where people died new york city portion of which yes all of which is represented by chucky and part of which is represented by say congresswoman cossio. Cortez the real speaker of the house. Yeah they recorded a record. Four hundred sixty two murders last year. That's up forty five from the prior year. They had a ninety seven percent increase in the number of shootings last year. We know in new york. For example. Ninety six percent of people shot were african american or latino and if the people shot you know by the warrants being shot by the cops but the thing is so they care about remembered. The silence was deafening. The comments sakala harris the insurrection inciting comments. They're not gonna stop. They shouldn't stop. They won't stop you better. Beware you better. Take note on both levels. It's not gonna watch and we shouldn't stop was after the police precinct in minneapolis. Burn the ground. That's that's after the writing the that was going on there and elsewhere you know so. Let's just take a little bit of some of the incitement insurrection. Language of the hypocritical. Democrats in terms of all of the other riots. That took place in the last year. And then we'll tell it into the sounds of what actually happened as during and after the rhetoric was being used by them. And you decide you some people in the face. Get your white house loud paulo the white house now more than ever. We must choose to fight. We must to screw up to what we believe the o. In the garbage go fight will be long. This fight will be difficult. And so i call it stabbing. Here's those that can hear my voice. We now hall all right there. It is oh you have a direct reaction response to the incitement the insurrectionist language of the left and the riots that they ignored that they never talked about that. Nobody ever got impeached over. That was going on pretty much most of the summer. Anyway congressman. andy biggs is with us. Co-chair border security caucus representative from arizona. By the way we'll get to some calls this half hour eight hundred nine four one. Sean is our number and congressman. I think we could have the exact same impeachment for kamala harris joe biden nuance to beat the hell out of trump. The president Chuck schumer threatening supreme court. Just kamla harass you know after the police precinct burn and the rioting. They're not going to stop. They shouldn't stop. We shouldn't stop Nancy pelosi we could take her back to her wisconsin days and her support of the rioting and that capital and maxine waters. that takes the cake. i'm going to take trump out tonight so i think we have a lot of hypocrisy on. Display here sean. There's never a shortage of hypocrisy in washington dc. But you're seeing the two-tier system. I mean that's what this is. All about is nothing about January six that was the pretext to do what they've always wanted to do. They just wanna continue to hassle donald trump and they would like to racist legacy is good policies. Everything and you're right. I mean We here we have heard language. Also like don't forget the you've got the new Representative from missouri. Who says that the the prison right jail right was just a bunch of our constituents and she wants to get in there and help them out and make sure they're all right. That's the type of of thing that's going on up here constantly so so we can't be surprised at what we're hearing So far in this in the in the impeachment hearings. It's just not a surprise at all and it's a double standard is hobbyists now. I don't think that the president we already know what the outcome is predetermined outcomes. They're putting on a show and they've got their tapes and they got their pictures but now we know something. That's very critical and factual and and relevant to the the whole snap impeachment. Why you don't have a snap. Impeach me actually need an investigation and that is that we now have all the evidence. We have court documents congresswoman. Akasa cortez for that matter. We now have. Fbi we have investigators and intelligence and videos of what was a preplanned an event that was planned and plotted and schemed way in advance and then orchestrated by those people responsible. Now other did some people that went to the rally. Did they join in. Yes is that donald trump's fault. Well he said to peacefully patriotically march to the capital so your voices will be heard the case to make their so. You're exactly right. i mean they. We had two hours of debate in the house. And and that's we need to find out what nancy pelosi knew. What chuck schumer win. They knew it. There's there's not been a complete investigation here and so what we what we have found out. Is that there were. I mean you don't have a pipeline that just shows up hours before president trump speaks as as part of this coordinated attack on the capital. I mean and it was coordinated and the president was still speaking when the capitals already being breached so so to say that he incited. Something is against the standard that we know is is the law and it's also against the highlight of the facts and the reasonable standard here so in reality what you've got is you've got people who rushed to judgement and the rush to judgment because they hate this former pro now former president trump so badly that they're willing to say you're doing anything and they actually those of us who support president trump is well. How ironic is it that they have a guy leading their impeachment team From your body. The house of representatives Jamie raskin who is a guy who challenged the result the two thousand sixteen election. And then you've got a guy that sits on the house intelligence committee Swale well that we now know had a long term relationship with a with fang fang. The chinese spy house he. How does he manage to survive. All of this sean i it would be laughable but in order to really appreciate irony have to be able to no shame and these people no shame. So so you're right. Raskin was the was a objected in two thousand. Seventeen to one of the state's certifying. He got swat well his issues. You've got other people on their On that committee that just to really don't have any business being there and the reality is it is ironic it is laughable. But they don't know that 'cause they don't know shame they're not embarrassed by fish should be embarrassed but they're not. I don't think that's the case. All right so democrats. From all my sources they're more afraid of this seemingly than republicans doesn't look like witnesses on either side of going to be called so at that point. Is this all over. Because i understand tim came maybe susan collins and others say well we might move on the fourteenth amendment. Censure is dead on arrival also. And what's the process for that. Well i i think the impeachment is going to be a company. It's not gonna happen no conviction but the censure You know that that might happen that that might happen. Because it takes a might understand takes a smaller boat on the majority They a lot of people say well we should. We should come after him for some reason. I do think though that they're going to be swimming upstream. At that point because the tied the momentum will will the tide will have gone out on this is they're just a big moment it's failing and it will fail and to do anything more Would just make them look even more petty even more A amazingly weakening. They already appear. Sean just never forget. I never forget this. How would it be to have donald trump living in your head every day. So that you know you're gonna lose this but he's okay we'll we'll we'll try something else that's kind of what's going on and the tide is going out on. The momentum is lost. I think that the country's gonna see this and they're gonna say enough's enough but okay. Thank you congressman. Andy biggs arizona. We appreciate you being with us. Eight hundred nine. Four one sean. You wanna be a part of the program. Joe in the great state of ohio. What's up joe. How are you glad you called sir. Good john how you doing today. I'm good sir what's happening. Hey two things real quick first of all about the election. you know. completely unconstitutional. I don't understand how they think they're gonna impeach guy. That's already out office president. Ever i in my opinion anyhow Secondly i'm really worried about our country We're we're essentially teaching the next generation here that it's okay to lie cheat and manipulate the system We have a guy in office that you know. We don't know if there was fraud. We don't know for sure because nobody investigated our government didn't investigated and i think it's a shame it's really a shame it's a it's just a idea. Have an snap impeachment and now look at. What's coming out a snap thing about this. A snap impeachment where you don't even get you you know. Informational background is no no research whatsoever now. We're discovering that all of this. Apparently there were organizers. The plotted plan and scheme. The whole thing accompanying videotape Then you listen to trump's words the distorted montage that they're putting out or putting up. Well his his tweets that he that he had out there and saying well th this he said the election was stolen or the president said to fight like hell. We montage over and over again. All the democrats saying fight fight fight fight fight So that's kind of a common term used in all of politics and yeah they'll waste start time their waste our money but they're look even the democrats sense deep down inside the longer. This goes on the worse. It is for them and especially because everybody knows the outcome. So why are they doing it. Because they want their latte. They want to squeeze their last bit of rage and spew it on him As but not governing the country. They're not make. There's a nine percent pullout today. That people only nine percent think that the economy under biden is getting better. Okay i think the american people are speaking loudly fixed. The economy get aid to people that need it opened up the economy start distributing the vaccine in an organized fashion so That's on them. They they you know they want to be small. They wanna be petty as predictably is usually the case then then let them go do their thing. That's their thing that's what they like to do that. So what they're good at big tech is doing everything. They can to silence conservative news stories and conservative voices. So you might wonder. What am i not seeing that. They won't allow me to see on their platforms. The good news is our podcast. The ben ferguson. Podcast covers the news stories every day that they won't let you see that's right you'll get the new. They're hiding from you so be sure to listen to the ben ferguson. Podcast on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast. Download it now. Let me come back news. Roundup information overload is. We'll get to the legal arguments which are really weak pathetic. The pure hypocrisy double standard that. We've been watching unfold. Ta as the beginning of what is now. I guess. I guess this goes onto monday. Once the maybe next week into the they say the sixteenth is the vote so not exactly a long period of time. The last impeachment this time last year remember. They weren't focused on corona virus when donald trump was and i guess this probably just their annual event event republican president february impeachment trial. Because this is the democrats are doing so much to help your economic situation to do so much to help your personal income. They're doing so much to help. Workers by firing everybody and sending out pink slips promising billions of jobs in the green deal industry. No jobs available. But they're going to focus on this so we'll get to that also mark hemingway investigative reporter real clear. Investigations is here. We'll get to that and your calls next hour. Eight hundred nine. Four one sean. You want to be a part of the program hannity tonight at nine eastern the news and information the media mob will never give you quick break right back. Investigation after deadly insurrection at the us capitol a week ago at new evidence that it was planned also shocking pointing that the fbi received a very specific warning before the riot noda's warned at the capital but for some reason security wasn't stopped up there to meet the challenge to that attack would pose at. There was an fbi internal report the day before the siege warning of a violent war at the capital the fbi admitting that it had intelligence before the insurrection that people were planning to travel to dc with antenna. 'cause violence all right there you have it. He and all of a sudden we're finding out. Oh man a lot of this happened ahead of time and a lot of this. I can't believe this but it looks like people plotted and planned and schemed and orchestrated an attack on the capital. Now did some of the one percent as i say of the people that attended the rally join in and violate the law. Absolutely those people are going to be in trouble. Yup every one of them and but the fact is that there were warnings left and right and we now know that. The capitol police chief had requested How many six separate times that. The guard be called up. We also know we've also learned that. In fact mark meadows saying that the president the president trump at the time offered to deploy ten thousand national guard troops ahead of january sixty said that to maria On the her sunday program sunday morning futures and he said yeah Yeah trump had been vocal about offering capital police national guard presence at the capitol on multiple occasions last month. He was rebuked every time. We know not only in january but throughout the summer the president was vocal and making sure we have plenty of national guard troops and additional support but as he supports the rule of law and law enforcement in offered all the additional help and in january offered as many as ten thousand troops and they were told to be on ready by the secretary of defense a direct order from president That puts a whole different spin on things. And you know so. I i i think that kind of lays out and kind to bear all of the things that the democrats have been arguing. Joining us now is mark hemingway. He's a senior writer for real. Clear investigations. we'll get his take on this Shift show this show trial with a predetermined outcome the rest of the nation's trying to get back to work trying to pay their mortgages their rent and deal with draconian shutdowns and get a hold of the virus that spend mismanaged by many democratic governors around the country. Mark thanks for joining us. Ready to be here. Let's talk about your take on this about democratic impeachment managers. Suppressing witnesses and other tactics to protect biden. Allow you know his media supporters to later cast allegations on some other things. We'll get to that. But what's your take on this on the current impeachment You know What will it ties into what happened with the first impeachment. I mean part of the problem. We're dealing with right now. Is that by violating so many standards of process and transparency with the first impeachment. We have a situation here. Where democrats politicized in cheapened this second impeachment proceeding to the point where you know we have a situation where most moderate republicans in in in this senate are already saying that this is a farce and we know that there's no point in going through this cause he's he's going to be acquitted but you know secondarily impeachment was one of our most solemn processes for holding democratically elected leaders of accountable and now it's just being politicized process. That doesn't mean anything you know you you've written extensively about for example the first impeachment and what i could never understand and all of that. With all of the witnesses they were all hearsay. Witnesses is all started because of not a real whistle blower but a hearsay whistle blower That was anonymous on top of everything else. Meanwhile the whistle blowers post election that saw irregularities with the election process were completely ignored by the media which i think is a double standard. But all yet here say a hearsay whistle blower anonymous. You had hearsay witnesses. And you had opinion witnesses yet. Only one fact witness correct me. Mark hemingway farm wrong and that one witness that talked. Donald trump said no quid pro quo. None at all. Not he wants nothing those. That was the exact phrase now. Joe biden's on tape leveraging a billion. Us tax dollars to fire a ukrainian prosecutor that he knew we all know now was investigating his zero experience fifty year old son hunter who is being paid millions now. Why didn't that rise to the level of impeachment. Well that was you know a key aspect of the first impeachment and why it was such a farce in so many ways which is to say if the biden family had corruption issue than you know the truth would have been a defense for donald trump in the impeachment proceeding. Would it not have. I mean it would have been perfectly reasonable for the president under national security grounds to ask you know whether or not you know. Joe biden and his family were leveraging their political connections to engage in corrupt financial dealings but that was never allowed to be a question that was addressed in the first impeachment and in fact they specifically went out of their way to hide any questions about it Adam schiff deposed all the witnesses except for the first one that you already mentioned who you know sort of embarrassed you by establishing that there was no quid pro quo and quite convincingly and after that i witnessed shift opposed every person in the house impeachment. Trial In such a manner that it was done under in secretive testimony and republicans could not talk about. What was that witness said under questioning without facing ethnic charges when it was over. Meanwhile they were leaking. The one-sided testimony transcripts they were giving beforehand so the prescott run wild with this one sided speculation. I mean impeachment. Like i said again. It was supposed to be a solemn process holding people accountable and it was completely non-transparent. Who could trust that After what they had been through in our situation here where democrats are demanding more accountability but the well is still poisoned that there's no reason republicans to go along with because they cannot trust democrats to run a fair impeachment process. They can't i mean if we're going to be honest about this and i i just got into this in the last half hour or last hour of my friend andy biggs and then the point that we were making with him. Is that when you take the language of the left and the utter silence of the left in terms of the last impeachment and it is kind of amazing because there was a lot of riots that took place in the last year and this seems to be the only one that they really cared about. We had a police precincts burned to the ground. We have police officers At two thousand twenty five hundred or so injured We had nearly thirty people dead as a result of the rioting. And what did we hear. You know people comma harris saying you better beware. You better take note on both levels. They're not going to stop. They shouldn't stop and we shouldn't stop has at insurrectionist language. You would think so there were there. Were secret service agents injured in a single night of writing at the white house. Pro- to protect the president. The president had moved to a secure location. That was not a cause for urgency. That was not a symbolic attack on the of democracy You know that was never regarded as anything you know that that that was not regarded as a crisis. And perhaps it should have been you know certainly by the standards of what we're treating what happened on on january six which you know i agree with a very serious thing but but you're absolutely right that you publicity and the double standards here again. Make it very hard for the average citizen. The look at what's going on to look at the process and say you know what this is fair and they're probably concluding the opposite. You know when riots happened than republicans do it. It's the end of democracy when you know the entire media Establishment buys him and the entire corporate establishment bison supports ongoing riots. You know the across you know. Dozens and dozens of us cities that you know you billions of dollars in damage you know you know. Kill dozens of people That's okay And i just don't see how we get through this current impeachment process without people that number voters being discussed it by duplicity. At least yeah. I mean it's it's really amazing time and you can add some other issues here that begin a flow from all of this the double standard the hypocrisy which is pretty breathtaking Then you go back to the first impeachment. Now you gotta federal criminal investigation for possible tax fraud as it relates to you know fifty year old hunter biden Then you have big tech censoring the new york post story with accompanying picture. And i'm told other far worst pictures but the one that they they printed had hundred sleep with a crack pipe in his mouth. Barely a word about it and it's. It's pretty amazing to me that that goes under the radar by so many others than you know here you are an investigative reporter and you you do the comparison objectively you. Tell me am i. Am i being too conservative here to prejudice in my outlook life. Well i don't think so and again. It goes back to the first impeachment allowed to ask any question. Publicly about biden impeach. His belt biden corruption. Whether or not this was a problem we didn't have any sort of like public hearing on these issues and not not be public hearing these issues. Once we got through impeachment word had gotten out. The democrats suppressed asking questions about corruption. So as the time in new york post runs around in the heart of the campaign. Everyone's decided that the questions about Vine corruption have been and asked and answered so they completely suppress the new york post story to the point where they think you know absolutely stunning. You know. Move where they censor it. On social media online biden out the narrowest victory of forty thousand votes spread across three states. And then you know barely two months after the election. We we come to find out that oh by the way there has been an ongoing justice department investigation into hundred corruption for years. And oh by the way you know. We already had in the heat of the campaign. Knowledge of one man coming forward and thing that joe biden is personally involved in this You know and even now. No one's asking questions. He's the president now. So if you if you were at least gonna pretend to you know Try and swing the election for biden. You can at least you think take a go back doing your regular journalistic responsibility upholding. The guy in power responsible. Now we have a serious. You know Interest in knowing whether or not the president of the united states is in any way beholden to these business dealings that hunter biden was making with foreign governments including china This is a very very serious matter and journalists to responsibility to getting to the bottom of that very very seriously let me ask you about another real clear investigation that has to do with. How democrats crafted the first impeachment. Helping you know. And the impact. It had on on twenty twenty in the in the help of the media and more specifically you know if you look at the razor. Thin swing state Margins perhaps him my wrong in thinking that if the american people had access to a lot of the information that was suppressed on behalf of joe biden by big tech by the news media. The mob. As i call them is it. Is it a leap to think that that could have swung the election trump's favor oh not at all. I mean there's been polling that has shown basically that you know that almost certainly biden with a loss if it had been sort of widely discussed the polls that show that huge numbers of buying boaters weren't even aware of the hunter biden corruption stuff. It was so successfully blocked out by you. Know sort of you know hate you work but collusion between the democratic party and the media And i have no doubt that It would have made a massive difference in the election if the president fair in terms of covering that stuff. We all know if there had been this kind of corruption involving one of the trump kids. You know the media. Would've you know gone overboard on top of that in november just after the election we had reporters like sam stein. Who believes the white editor for politico like literally spiking the football online and saying that the difference between the biden story and the clinton laptop story. That was the big october surprises. Anthony weiner back in two thousand sixteen was that we made. Sure that in the media. We made sure that the hunter biden laptop story didn't spread out into the mainstream news and we literally made the choice to call it. Russian disinformation and and that must have been the difference in the trumps narrow victory in two thousand sixteen and trump's narrow victory in twenty twenty. He may not have been wrong but you know learning just a few weeks later that they had suppressed true story. You think that would prompt them. Sort of you know dramatic reflection upon the media establishment that they went out calling story that turned it being mark. I'm kind of laughing about the media reflection or introspection or an examination of their practices These are the same people that that spread nothing but a pure conspiracy theory for three straight years and they never retracted. They never apologize. Never corrected the record. Yeah i mean. They're obviously not just the impeachment and abide corrupt there. Any of these numbers while gucci faces the media covered ad nauseam russia. Being chief. example Where you know that might have been the difference in the election. What if they hadn't spent you know four years saying that trump was treasonously colluding with russia. with that of swan forty thousand. Those on we could just go down the line here but yes It is truly alarming. I think the way that the media have decided to basically you know cheerlead and compete for democrats essentially well said all right mark hemingway senior writer real clear investigations Thank you sir for being with us. We appreciate your insight. I twenty five till the top of the hour and glad you're with us. We'll get to your calls. Eight hundred nine. Four one sean. You want to be a part of the program. I love taking little trips down. Memory lane to listen to democrats and their rank. Hypocrisy the double standard. You know. let's take a little trip down memory lane. Democrats defending bill clinton impeachment listen. They driven by hatred. They bill and hillary clinton so much they will stop at nothing to bring down because we are here as we are here to today because the republicans in the house are paralysed with hatred of president clinton and until the republicans. Free themselves of this hatred. Our country will suffer and one of the reasons we all feel so angry about. What they are doing is that they are ripping from us. They are ripping sunday around votes. They are telling us that our votes don't count. This is their president. We are talking about and we in congress had better be very careful before we upset their decision and make darn sure that our decision to impeach him was based upon principle and not politics. My fear is that when a republican wins the white house. Democrats will demand payback. Let's get to our busy telephones here. Let's say hi. To let's see iwo is in florida. Hi how are you glad you called. Thanks sean I just wanted to ask you a couple of questions. Real quick number one. Why is our taxpayer dollars. Going to try to impeach somebody who's not even in office that's number one number. Two that money could be used for the people in their constituents and they're wasting all this time on all the circus and they're not helping the people i mean. What is this really. They should pay the people back for the four years of champion teach mint and pay the people back for what they're trying to do right now. This is coming out of our tax payer dollars and it really upsets me. It should upset you because you look at all the people. They got pink slips. Thanks to joe biden. The fifty some odd now executive orders. This is not the people's business that's going on here. You know this is. This is a rational psychotic rage just outright hatred of the danger to the constitution. The whole snap impeachment. Why they would ever validate legitimize. What the house did is unbelievable to me. And because it's not a legitimate process they race through it record time anyway. I i share. I share your feel. Yeah i just wanna say one more thing before i get before going into. You're a busy man but listen trump said. I'm going to do these things if you elect me. He has checked off almost every box except draining the deep filled swamp. What has what has the democrats done. Where's their checklist. What have they checked off that. They've done for the people for america for our freedoms nothing except suppress them. Listen you're every. American should be angered at all of this. That's why i keep saying and people like what do you mean you on it to go on for a long as long as they want to go. Let let him impeach every day. Let's go for ninety nine more by the time they're done with this one because every day they do it. That's less damage that the doing to the american economy. Now they should be doing things. Like covid vaccine distribution Helping small businesses that have been struggling shutdowns or coenen Shutdown measures that have been in place they should be worried about. Oh those oil workers the pipeline workers. They'd rather listen a leonardo caprio Now now shut down the co pipeline. Well obviously he doesn't have to worry about it himself just sad and anyway thank you for the call and then on top of it all then you got the mob the media now after the snap impeachment. Oh this was all preplanned. Oh my goodness well. I guess the incitement to insurrection charge spontaneous nature of campy true. if it was preplanned. I got along montage here. Just listen to the media you know. Having to report on this being preplanned. I wanna get to this issue of coordination and premeditation. Because this is really the leading edge of this investigation and for the first time today we heard the. Us attorney say that he believes the pipe bombs are connected to the riders and that it was a diversionary tactic so right at the height of this between twelve forty five and one fifteen when president trump is speaking you have the first group pushing onto the capitol complex. The first pipebombs reported at the rnc headquarters here in washington. Then at one fifteen. The second is reported at the dnc and the us attorney said today he thought they were diversionary which means they were an effort to pull first responders away from the capital at the very time frame that they were breaching onto the capital so it would further weaken security at that site. And all of this goes to. I'm sorry it's a long answer. It all goes to the idea of premeditation and coordination among individuals. Been now that chilling new report that there was an fbi internal report the day before the siege warning of a violent war the capital new reporting that the f. b. i. received a very specific warning before the riot. Let's bring in. Cbs jeff gays. Who's been reporting all day. Good evening jeff. I noticed warned of more at the capital. But i some reason. Security wasn't stepped up there to meet the challenge. That attack would pose on. How much of it was planned. How much of this was Strategized ahead of time people wandering around exercising their first amendment rights don't bring ropes ladders and sledgehammers to a spontaneous event is was a planned assault is going after a castle. Such rank hypocrisy. Let's get back to our phones. Robert texas what's up. Robert how are you glad you called sir. Glad you're in a state that has well good decent amount of common sense and decency. god blessed texas got a shot blessed. Texas i agree. So how is it or why is it. That chief justice roberts is not proceeding at this kangaroo court. That's part one part two is. Why doesn't the judicial branch grow spine and stop this travesty. With the nine to zero vote about its constitutionality you know. They all took an oath to protect defend and follow the constitution. And right now. They're lying to three hundred and thirty million americans they you know you raise an interesting point. That chief justice isn't there for reason now. Would you like to have a quote impeachment trial or any trial and the judge is already determined before the start of the trial that you're guilty as hell boy. That sounds like the american way. Doesn't it that. Sounds like a good old american way to me unbelievable times robert. Yup god blessed texas moses news z. what's up moses. how're you doing. great. Sean greatest thoughts you my friend. Thank you for taking my call. Thank thank you all right so a couple of comments. Wanna make sean. And it's i've seen especially after know the events that's happened in the last couple of months but i understand even more clearly now. Why trump got elected. It's because a republican weakness and inaction decades of it. You know the republicans don't have to fight back. All they have to do is just simply respond in kind. We've now had two unconstitutional impeachments. We've had adam. Schiff completely destroyed presidents when he comes to impeachment release phone records of sitting members of congress. Release phone records illegally of lawyers. Rudy giuliani and other and other private citizens. You know and now. The hypocrisy you have alcee hastings talking about impeachment right. Have i'll see hastings. Congress in florida democrat. Who was a judge. There was impeached for bribery and he sits on the democrat rules. Committee is the vice chairman. But yet they want to go after the want to go out there. Donald trump republicans. What they need to do is attack the establishment. You know like a peacefully. Of course we just make that very clear said was the years you're onto something here. Moses and that is yeah week republicans they helped create donald trump and a lot of them. Still didn't learn the lesson a trump. Now you might have personality differences or stylistic differences but but you can see the passion for the people that that went out in by far record numbers to vote for him for president. And it's rare that you get that much more. In terms of voters the second time around in the reason simple is he made promises and he went literally every day rolled up his sleeves and fought to keep the promises. Now can you argue. That maybe shouldn't have fought so much on. Twitter stylistically is america new they were electing disruptor and an iconic clasped and frankly is probably the cleaning out that the swamp needed but with that said do i see republicans in the house and senate as willing to fight as he is no. I don't i saw him. i do see some. Don't see enough yet. That problem you know and let me tell you something sean you know. I'm a former marine. And it's just like you say never a former marine simplify. i've never. He's the thing. I don't approve of all of the The former presidents style his approach. I guess what if i was overseas in iraq right and our embassy which it was attacked was attacked. I would rather have president trump as the commander in chief than any other past president because he responded within hours an entire battalion of marines and several helicopters to make sure that there was never gonna be another benghazi and at the end of the day. It's results that matter not style. Who do you think if you had to guess. We have a hostile actor vladimir putin regime russia you have hostile iranian muller's you have hostile regime china president. She who do you think. And they're paying very close attention to america the spying on all of us in all likelihood who do you think they fear more fear trump or biden. And who do you think they think is is a of the two. Which would they view as a pushover. That's not even a question. You know the fear trump more and they're even bragging about it. What is the last month. You know your network reported. You have chinese academics right now and the video taken down a couple of hours later bragging about the deals that they already put in with hunter biden whether joe biden. No they're not. Maybe he forgot like legitimately. He probably forgot but he is compromise. You know and yet to give it a score if you have to give it a rating joe biden is far. He's done far worse than for done far worse that can be proven than anything that donald trump has ever been accused of. That's not proven. Appreciate the call. Thank you very much. Moses leo in massachusetts leo. You're on the sean hannity. Show sean. Thank you very much for taking my call and thanks for being the patriot. You are in through teller. Offer a pretty neat gove chris. Given for brevity fake get right to it My heart breaks for this country. I served Forty years with this government. Twenty two active duty combat that Eighteen with civil service. And i thank you way. Thank you thank you for all you've done don't it. It was my pleasure to serve. But i will tell you my brothers and sisters right now. We feel like we're being sold out. When did the word. Patriotism become a dirty word. Lynn did freedom becomes some kind of invasion techniques as as described by the last. When did the woke media. Come all together with this. Unholy alliance dorsey zuckerberg basil's pichai the whole system to to i. I mean what i feel is going on is that you're trying to degrade and destroy the will of the american people and let's face it. We're not represented by representatives anymore in congress. There too worried about their next seats. You know the very insurrectionist in this country are sitting members of congress. Right now. they're the real insurrectionist. Look at this farce. It's going on my heart bleeds. My heart breaks my brothers and sisters who. I'm still in contact with the ones that i've lost overseas. And many many deployments really country we all feel the same. We feel like you know we forsaken ourselves for a country. That doesn't appreciate us. Greek government doesn't support us and for congress in administrative branch at selling out this country and sewing out the very ideals that i and every one of my brothers and sisters stand for we all bleed the same when you see a man's liked ripped off or is jammed out or head explode in the blood. There's no race overseas. there's no race overseas when you're sitting next to a guy defecating in his pants because you still afraid of what the hell's going on the next roadside bomb that's going off. That's what i want. Our members of congress understand the millions of us who heart whose hearts are breaking. Were tokyo i can tell you this. You speak for a lot of people. What what. I see saddens me as well and i worry about our children and our grandchildren. I don't like the road were going down. It's not going to end well. I hope i'm wrong. That's going to wrap things up for today. Full coverage opening arguments than the latest impeachment shift show charade on capitol hill. Chad pergram Alan dershowitz greg. Jarrett don jr. senator ted cruz. Tammy bruce joel conscience. Pete hegseth nine eastern you. Dvr will see tonight at nine back here tomorrow as always thank you for being with us. Big tech is doing everything they can to silence conservative news stories and conservative voices. So you might wonder. What am i not seeing that. They won't allow me to see on their platforms. The good news is our podcast. The ben ferguson. Podcast covers the news stories every day that they won't let you see that's right you'll get the new stories. They're hiding from you so be sure to listen to the ben ferguson. Podcasts on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast. Download it now.

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Super Bowl Breakdown With Stephen A

"They need a break from the chaos tired of being sucker punched by hollywood. If so red pilled america is the podcast for you. Redfield america is all about telling stories. The kind hollywood. And the mainstream media won't tell i'm patrick curled and adriana cortez with a host of red pill america if you enjoy good old fashioned. Storytelling listened to redfield america every week on iheartradio or wherever you listen to podcasts. That's red pill. America because it's time to tell our side of the story to post Super bowl sunday a hangover for pre. Buddy i don't mean hangover hangover hangover. Linda you don't have a hangover now. This was your first. This is great. Co stephen a smith is coming on today. My buddy and steven a. Oh man he. He was brutal to poor. Patrick mahomes and he says no more talk about homes being the goat by the way the term goat. For those of you. That are sports nuts. Do you know what go means by any chance quiz. Linda i certainly do. But i i have to give credit where credit's due. I know what it is because jim gray. Naw jim jim gray. I didn't hear it but yeah. That is an exclusive interview with Biden i haven't heard it yet. Did you get a chance to hear it. I don't listen anything with him in it. Now i love jim gray though. Jim nance has great to jim. Nance's he such a. These guys are such great sports broadcaster. I joe buck all these guys and even the you know boomers great What's the guy's name used to be quarterback for the I love tony dungy. I love all these guys. Troy aikman has done a great job transitioning to broadcasting. It's not an easy transition and there have been people that i've known over the years that have been in sports and asked me about broadcasting. And i'm like okay. Let's talk about it. And i'm just like okay. That's not gonna work You know the names of the people. And i'm not trying to shatter dreams. I like people to fulfill their dreams. Whatever they happen to be in life and but you know with all that said all right. How did you do because last week was like a crash course week in football for you on this program and you started out the week. Not knowing fully and completely added a touchdown what a field goal was what you call those. Two poll things in the middle as you referred to them Meaning uprights. you didn't know a crossing the plane was. How did you do based on the crash. Course we gave you going into the super bowl knowing your five year. Old son wanted to watch the super bowl. I mean i think i was like a people you know i was excited. You know to see it and You know i was looking for him to see the good sportsmanlike behavior that we did see for the most part. I really don't understand a lot of what's happening still. But i what i what i've been told. Is that the way that the game was is actually very unusual because supposedly during the super bowl. Now they don't have all of these calls. These constant penalty calls and that they were excessive told and since you know kovic restrictions you know the chiefs got in late andy. Reid obviously had family drama. And then you got you know. The buccaneers playing on home court in tampa bay. So i think there were some disadvantages to the chiefs. The colts. I said homecourt. What okay cole. What colts are anyways right. Okay no but you know. I hope the country because going into this week. And we're going to hit this this week. A on this whole impeachment sham shift show democrats have more nervous. Republicans here. And i'll get to that in a minute here but did you enjoy the game did you enjoy for. You was probably a different experience because you're trying to figure out. How do i get a first down. How do we get that touchdown. While you can get a passing touchdown which. She didn't seem to know last week. You run the ball into the into the into the end zone. And then i had to explain how you can also throw the ball and somebody catches the ball in the end zone. But you gotta be on the same team. Did you enjoy. Do you feel like you walk away now. With sufficient knowledge that next year you can watch football and and appreciate it more. Yeah i was still have to be very honest and say that i know very little. What's going on. i don't really understand it. i'm trying my best. I'm excited when i watched it lee. I think understands it way better than i do. And we just had a blast watching it. I think the thing. I like most about it is brady is such a team player. He really is. I mean the guy just corrales his team he so gracious i mean even when he was up there giving his super bowl acceptance he had his kids up there and he passes the super bowl trophy down to his fellow teammate. It's such a nice guy. It was a nice thing to watch. Yeah it's you know what it was great. I thought that was the story. Line the whole time and ended up being the story line. I get into this with stephen later. When he said no more talk about mahomes being the goat. He's getting the owner. He is great. And i think that's the problem we have right now. Why can't they both be great. Well look he didn't have his best game but think about this. This is a guy that never lost the game by double digits in the pros. I mean this is a guy that helped drive his team to the super bowl two years in a row and he won it last year. The guy mahomes is is has all of the potential. And i pray to god he can stay healthy which is a challenge for anybody playing in the nfl. It's a it's a warrior sport. It's gladiator sport. It's physically probably the most demanding on top of the octagon. I mean you put your heart your soul. Your life's blood into this and the average career is three and a half years. So i'm watching. I just he has. He's already a franchise quarterback. He's already wait a minute. Wait a minute wait a minute. The average football career is three and a half years. Yeah you didn't know so. How long has tom brady been doing it. This is like his twentieth year old brady. He's mama's right. It's nobody lasts as long as somebody wrote a year. He's never really been hit. I guess he's he's lost a year of his career to a knee injury. Yeah i mean you know. Joe nemeth could a god only knows how many records joe nemeth would have broken. Had he not had bad knees and the body begins to break down for these guys. And it's and you think of linemen and knows that you know linebackers in the tackling and the hits. I mean i i mean this is all real now. The nfl's also dealt with this whole concussion issue on how they're doing they're doing everything they can but you can't ruin the sport in the process To and they have the percussion protocols now in place so only so many concussions that your brain can take before i can tell you. Let's put it this way. I can tell you anybody that i've ever watched as a ufc fan that gets knocked out. Never they are usually never ever the same ever in terms of their ability to go back in the octagon. It seems to me my observation that they get knocked out faster the next time. Because it's there's vulnerability that is created from the first time you have the head trauma i mean. That's like being in a bad car accident. I remember before my days plan ice hockey. That i mean i had my bell rung all the time. That's what they mean. When you get your bell wrong. Have you ever heard the phrase before i heard i have I haven't heard this song from the seventies. You probably saying it weddings. That's the one. It's not the same thing we can't talk about this all right. Eight hundred nine. Four one sean. If you wanna be a part of the program so we're gonna have the impeachment. Sham this week with this happening and this emerging the best thing i've read about this now is that we're we're now seeing that the defense that will be put on by the president's team other to great things is one of them is going to challenge the definition of the mob the media and democrats on insurrectionist language. And by that we mean. Maxine waters maxine waters of the world. I got a kick out of maxine. Waters is now trying to walk back her violent rhetoric against trump. I'll remind you. I'm gonna take trump out tonight. I want you to create a crowd. I want you to get in their faces. I want you to you. Follow them into the grocery store and they're not wanted anywhere anymore or does it mean create a crowd and getting their faces and follow them and tell them they're not wanted anywhere anymore. Listen think it's an abuse anybody from that cabinet a restaurant department. Should you want them. Were letter moving evening. This is i am sitting here listening. Watching absorbing thinking about Even though i met him and with this kind of inspiration. I will go and take trump out to night results. I want to tell you kevin on you have released the lure wind and you will pay stop rise. You know if you go forward with these awful decisions okay. And then i won't play them all. But i can play of course after the after the burning down of the police precinct. Minneapolis the rioting. That took place there. you know. i won't say well people died at the capitol. Now that's part two of this because now we have growing evidence that is growing by the day. Let's play some of the media. Finally catching up to us and recognizing that the police investigators everybody else. Oh a lot of this seems to have been coordinated and preplanned. Oh and if it was if it was in the works and it was gonna happen. How did donald trump's words of many of you will peacefully and patriotically march to the capital. So your voices will be heard When in fact it was all preplanned. Listen to the media coverage of the big questions for investigators has been whether or not whether the people who attacked the capital was whether this was a just a mob that just got out of control or whether there was planning and we're learning the from people were talking to a familiar with the investigation that they are getting indications some evidence that they've seen that indicates that there was some level of planning. They've noticed From looking at surveillance cameras from looking at some of the weaponry that showed up that they were people who were at the ellipse where there was a trump rally earlier in the day. A some people left the scene of that rally early and appeared to have gone to retrieve weapons that then turned up at the scene of the riot at the capital base that everything the fbi has learned. It was not some sort of spontaneous decision by a bunch of quote protesters to go up to capitol hill and storm capitol hill. This was all planned out. I wanna get to this issue of coordination and premeditation. Because only and this is really the leading edge of this investigation and for the first time. Today we heard the us attorneys say that he believes the pipe bombs are connected to the riders and that it was a diversionary tactic so right at the height of this between twelve forty five and one fifteen when president trump is speaking you have the first group pushing onto the capitol complex. The first pipe bomb is reported at the rnc headquarters here in washington. Then one fifteen. The second is reported at the dnc and the us attorney said today he thought they were diversionary which means they were an effort to pull first responders away from the capital at the very time frame that they were breaching onto the capital would further weaken security at that site. And all of this goes to. I'm sorry it's a long answer. It all goes to the idea. Premeditation and coordination among individuals. Chilling new report that there was an fbi internal report the day before the siege warning the violent war at the capitol new reporting that the fbi received a very specific warning before the riot. Let's bring in. Cbs's jeff the who's been reporting all day good evening jeff or that fbi notice warned of war at the capitol but for some reason security wasn't stepped up there to meet the challenge that that attack would pose on how much of it was was planned. How much of this was strategized ahead of time. People wandering around exercising their first amendment rights. Don't bring ropes and ladders and sledgehammers to a spontaneous event is planned assault is going after a castle. Yeah if it's premeditated and coordinated and a plan to salt and diversionary tactics palm said here and they're all part of the effort. How does that. 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Sean and you'll save an additional fifty percent off your first month. That's pure talk. Usa dot com promo code. Sean add up so you can have investigators and congresswoman accustomed. Cortez saying oh. I have my new one week in advance and now the media reporting that year. Oh this was a diversionary planting of bombs. As part of an overall coordinated attack that was predetermined preplanned and diversionary tactics put in place. And then you have the warnings that law enforcement had and whatever other intelligence they they had growing plus on top of it as a natural course of business. Why did you not have knowing. Hundreds of thousands of people were ready in town the day before my weren't there. Why weren't why wasn't there. Any you know sergeant at arms capital police. Why did they deny the chief of the capitol police who's who asked on six separate occasions even before this happened. You know what happened here this. This is getting weirder and weirder by the minute. All right i gotta take a break here. But we got a lot coming up on the other side of this eight hundred nine. Four one sean. On number if you wanna be a part of the program just buckle up. It's gonna be a week. But it appears like the democrats have their own issues to deal with premeditation. All coordinated and their own comments and their definition of quote insurrection and incitement Yeah they've got a lot of questions. They need to answer quick break. We'll come back on the other side. Eight hundred nine. Four one sean. You want to be a part of the program. We will continue qualcomm. We believe in staying connected and you can see us wherever five g as helping transform telemedicine supporting remote education empowering mobile. Pc's the invention ages here. Learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age twenty five till the top of the hour. Eight hundred nine. Four one sean. If you wanna be a part of the Program so when you when you when you put it all together and you look at well. What what are the democrats want to get done here. Well now this is where they're getting nervous because democrats now have a choice because they bring their tapes. They're to say donald trump said fight fight fight fight fight. Well we've been playing for you. All the examples of prominent democrats saying fight fight fight fight fight. The democrats want what they will ignore. Donald trump's statement peacefully patriotically march to the capital. So your voices will be heard okay. Well i didn't hear that in maxine waters. I'm gonna take trump out tonight. Speech or kamala harris speech after the precinct was burnt the ground in minneapolis and the riots sued and yeah police officers injured and then of course you advertising trying to raise money to help the bail fund to pull the rioters out of jail to get him out of jail. I just don't recall and any way anybody in the media saying. Yeah that was pretty. You're responsible they're not gonna stop. You need to take note. Beware they're not gonna stop. I'm not gonna stop. They shouldn't stop. We shouldn't stop. what is she talking about. In the context of what just happened in minneapolis and was emerging and other cities around the country or the threat to gorsuch and cavenaugh. You won't know what hit you on the steps of the. Us supreme court or pelosi supportive insurrection. When the wisconsin state house was raided back in the day then offering support. And then you can move beyond those players and you can talk about pretty much A lot of democrats when they win. They're down we kick them they go. Hi we go down. We kick him. Eric holder It's it's just so obvious what this is and so the democrats now will make a choice. If they want this thing to drag on and to distract from joe biden's at the let let joe biden mr unity. Either step up and tell us party that we already know what the outcome is going to be. Or if i was the republicans i would embrace. I absolutely embrace as long as they want this to go on and as long as they wanna drag the country through this as long as they want all other of the people's business to stall completely let them do it because everybody sees this for what it is. Donald trump is not in office. Donald trump is well as a kosta says. He's president trump in exile fine. He's not even talking because he's been d- platforms and cancelled. all over. social media will reemerge. I would say the odds are pretty good. A lot of stories out there that he might start his own social media company to bypass the twitter's the facebooks and the instagram's and the big tech companies which is fine with me. But you know and then the fearmongering continues all right. They wanna spend all of this money. And i guess if if congress is wrapped up in their latest impeachment shift show impeaching a guy that they don't even have jurisdiction over one hundred fifty Legal constitutional leftist liberal radical attorneys. Okay you can get three hundred constitutionalist. And they'll sign their letter saying that it's since it's not constitutional but impeachment articles very clear to remove from office. What is this all about. Well that'll get in the way of the un climate on voi- mark. Carney saying climate crisis deaths will be worse than cove it. He'll be the equivalent of corona virus in corona virus crisis every year. Well it was. The bank of england governor up until last year and head of the bank of canada before that now united nations. I'm boy for climate action and finance massachusetts. You have their climate officials sixty percent of emissions. They come from people driving their cars and heating their homes. We will have to break their will. Let me say it again. Sixty percent of our missions that need to be reduced. Come from you. The person across the street the senior on fixed income right there is no bad guy left at at least in massachusetts to the point to point the finger at to turn the screws on and to break their will so they stop admitting that you we have to break your will and right. I can't even say that publicly whoopsie daisy broke. They said it. And then you have bernie introducing a bill to declare a national climate. Emergency now is a really about climate. No because we've learned that the real purpose behind all of the green new deal initiative is to advance socialism in the name of climate change. So what is what is the net impact. We were already feeling it. All those workers on the keystone excel pipeline. They've gotten their pink slips. Already and joe biden last week. Saying yeah they're going to end all pipelines. Okay more pink slips coming and joe biden last week is is stopping the oil exploration and extraction anwar. Okay there's nothing there but a vast wilderness. How do i know because we actually times have sent photographers and planes to take video of the anwar did geography of anwar. And there's nothing there a wilderness. When they built alaskan pipelines in the past and all the predictions that well. It's going to destroy wildlife. What did they discover the wildlife. Actually like -habitating around the pipeline because it keeps them warm for some reason and it increased the number of The herds that were there that was passed information. But if you have a climate emergency and you declare climate emergency then that gives you even broader powers with the stroke of a pen to continuue. Joe biden doing bypassing an entire branch of government the legislative branch. Just to with a stroke of a pen enactor agenda that you'd never get passed through any congress. I mean it's pretty insane times that we're living it. Add to that. What what are they trying to do to conservatives in the media the left is aiming to rein in media diversity determine what is what is appropriate speech restricting the reach that this has been the ongoing battle against against talk radio for all these years and two smaller extent now becoming a bigger extent a few of the voices. they don't like on fox news not every voice on fox news. they don't like it's just conservative voices on fox news that they hate. You've got you know media commentators. The progressive left even have people on fake news cnn. I mean the people that literally were at the tip of the spear of spreading the the russia hoax lies in conspiracy theories wanting to restrict platform access and so on and so forth another way of saying silencing opposition voices cossio. Cortez suggested just last month that multiple house members including herself for considering plans to regulate media and some as yet undefined fashion following the end of the trump administration. She was asked an instagram. Qna session last month about the potential for media literacy initiatives. In congress and responded. I don't think that the response is fully crystallized yet. But what i can say. It is absolutely a commission being discussed referring to proposals. You know investigate investigate investigate investigatory in nature. At this point i do think that several members of congress and some of my discussions of brought up media literacy because that is part of what happened here. We're going to have to figure out how we reign in our media environment so you can't just spew disinformation misinformation. You mean like the russia hoax. She must be talking about the russia hoax right now. I i doubt you go that far. You know harm reduction. Cnn is talking about a model in which the media reach would be greatly diminished voices. They don't like that they will. Who's going to determine what what political commentaries appropriate. What commentaries not appropriate again. The irony the very people that spread lies in conspiracy theories but three years also happening. Not just fake news. Cnn it's about freedom of reach cnn saying the new york times nicholas kristof putting forth similar argument suggesting an effort to combat quote extremism and advertisers. Need to stop supporting networks. That spread lies and hatred. You mean like the new york times. Says it's not safe to travel to china after the travel ban nine exactly their finest moment washington post. They got their media. Columnists and editors margaret sullivan calling for an advertiser boycott of news organizations. She doesn't like is corporations should walk away and citizens who care about the truth should demand that they do. So what does that do. That's just another roundabout way of silencing voices they don't like and they don't want heard study touted as a blow to conservatives complaints about big tech censorship for major biden donor researchers at nyu apparently according to the daily caller in a study. said the conservatives have pushed disinformation by accusing big tech firms of an anti conservative study. Find by one group. Some billionaire contributed one hundred grand biden and the study called decisions by twitter and facebook to censor the new york post story on hunter biden to be a reasonable decision. Well we now know based on the guy that was the laptop repairman and we know from this guy. Bob alinsky and we've been learning from peter. Sweitzer had many things on that. Lop laptop confirmed that they're all true. Study makes the unsubstantiated claim. The story was based on stolen materials. Not exactly true there either anyway. Researchers urging biden to create a digital regulatory agency. This is how insane this is now. getting trump. apparently a breitbart article jason miller revealing saturday. The former president is considering donald trump launching his own social media platform and the not too distant future and may not be a bad idea. these you know this. These are chilling chilling times labor union chief who backed biden is now complaining that he killed the keystone pipeline. Apparently afl cio chief. Richard trumka membership to believe that he had absolutely no idea that joe was gonna cancel the pipeline said. I wish he hadn't done that on the first day. What he wanted done on day ten. I wish he had he had paired that more carefully. Was the thing that he did the second by saying. Here's where we're creating jobs for. What do they do. Mr trump getting the meantime and how do you take the specific skill set associated with building a pipeline and transfer that to any other industry. You might wanna tell the rank and file the pay your salary how that's going to happen. Unbelievable newly elected house democrat openly defended a jailhouse riot after condemning. The capitol right you've got. This story is in the new york post today. You got a house democrat cory. Bush condemned the january sixth insurrection. Their favorite word. But he's defending the rioters in saint. Louis who tried to burn down the city gel. Wow said a riot is the language of the unheard he said. I wanna talk to my constituents in the window. Their lives and their rights must be protected. My team and i are working to ensure that the urgent needs of the people who are incarcerated or not ignored. It doesn't exactly sound like a full and complete condemnation unbelievable by the way illegal Alien sewer assaulted is in the washington. Free beacon americans will no longer be deported. under biden's new rules. i'll come to the new world. Order of joe biden. Generally these convictions would not include crime. Simple assaults assault really simple dui money laundering property crimes fraud tax crime. Solicitation charges thou convictions. Well ice would not deport. According to jen psaki the white house press secretary legal immigrants guilty of assault and dui under the plan. Wow what happens to you and your family. If in fact you do that Pretty unbelievable peter. Doocy pressed jen psaki on where the laid off pipeline work is going to get their green jobs. She says well. The president's proposed the climate plan with transformative investments and infrastructure and laid out a plan. That would not only create millions of good union jobs but also help tackle the climate crisis ducey shop back but there are people living paycheck to paycheck. People out of jobs once the keystone pipeline stop construction. It's been twelve days since Gina mccarthy and john kerry were here. It's nineteen days since the executive order. So what are these people who need money. Now what do they do to get their green jobs. How many days are you gonna have to work man. It's going to be a lot of work years that a lot to cover couldn't see out. We were completely surrounded and they all look the same person zombies itching to convert us into their weird hollywood colt everywhere. We turn there. They were and more were coming spilling into every opening around us. It seemed like they were calling out to each other telepathically get fresh meat. I thought the only way out was to give in and go with them. But just as i started to follow their leader. It hit me. Adrian is hand met my cheek. Yeah i slapped him with one quick strike to the face. Snap out of it patrick. Let's get the hell out of here. And that's when we made a run for it through the only opening in the crowd. We were only a few feet for making it out when they blocked us in again. We were goners. Redfield america's storytelling show kind. Hollywood doesn't want you to hear. Listen to redfield america on iheartradio or wherever you get your podcast. That's red pilled. America super bowl sunday four hours four and a half hours. Maybe even five hours of omnipotent political free fun although weren't allowed if you followed cdc regulations no shouting had no groups. According to dr fauci. But stephen a smith was watching the game. You know. I know you were watching the game because you cannot control yourself. It's over everyone at chiefs defense. Couldn't stop anything at tom. Brady threw it at buchan. Nears defense was elite. No more talk about. Patrick mahomes being the goat greatest of all time. He's now getting blown out in the super bowl. Receivers can't get open. He can't throw them open. It's over it's not over. He's a franchise quarterback. Well well well as usual. I have to educate you. Don't use my lines. I use against you. Go ahead i do. I put that tweet out in the third quarter of the game. It's not like i said it. Now i mean i was talking about the game itself. It's over. of course patrick mahomes. We'll be back in the super bowl. Look wisdom super bowl championships. He's a phenomenal. Great quarterback when when you talk about him being the greatest quarterback of all time. Tom brady at the age of forty. Three just one seven super bowl. There is no franchise. A franchise is no franchise in the history of the national football league. That has seven championships. And tom brady has and has seven. There's nothing to talk about in that regard and if you're back patrick mahomes is a young player. He's been not not many people in their football careers. And you know this better than anybody gets to one super bowl. He's spend a back to back super bowl. He's experienced the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat not to use the by shea of wide world of sports okay. He is a franchise quarterback. He's in the top group in my mind. Who who are the elite quarterback. Okay he got the water back him. Aaron rodgers the drew brees does shawn watson Obviously josh allen. This kid in buffalo special got promised lamar jackson in baltimore. He's got a lot of promise. Russell wilson seattle obviously nominated back what. He's a phenomenal quarterback so there are several but again the conversation is about the goat. The greatest of all time and even though it was brady with his resume because he's the most celebrated quarterback in nfl history. There were a lot of people that were saying. No it's patchy mahomes. In patrick mahomes had beaten him even though he's still only have two and brady with that six. The bottom line is Would patrick mahomes being twenty five years of age. If he had knocked off brady then you would have assumed that you know what more super bowls are coming. Plus he'd have a win over brady on his resume now about this too. Though stephen i the lead up to two super bowl sunday was okay. He had to take on the saints and drew brees. He had to take on packers and aaron rodgers. now he had to take. I think the probably the hottest quarterback now in the nfl. And that's patrick. Mahomes that to me was the story line. I don't care what anybody says going in yet to great to great titans and on both teams but at the end of the day. I mean i thought brady just is calm. He had ice in his veins. And and you know in fairness to mahomes. He didn't really have a lot of open players to throw to most of the game why he didn't have much help Tampa bay's defense was elite The real the with the initial. Tv is todd bowles. The former head coach of the new york jets not at all happy family bucket. His defense was sensational and led by shaq barrett and devon wide antonio with bill junior and jp former new york giant. Either way how. Great the story at j. p. if don't people don't know pierre paul is he had had half his fingers blown off and and a fireworks accident land on the fourth of july fireworks accident absolutely player. He stole amazing. Any great game yesterday is a deal with day. Basically instituted what the giants did to be. Pray twice they didn't blitz. they only like times during the game. They were incredibly confident that their front four would be able to get to brady as a result. Leaving seven and your secondary so the tyreek hills travis kelsey to the world and others couldn't get open and that and that proved to be fatal of apache mahomes and those boys because you know he was already operating on a bad foot but he had no help because tyreek hill is off yesterday. Traveled kelsey could do only so much. Mccoll was a no show They didn't even try to run a game. And then you gotta take into account the distractions. Andy reid he's the head coach of the tampa bay on the kansas city chiefs. His son Within car driving had two drinks acknowledged the at two drinks some adderall and next thing you know he gets into a car accident a four year old and a five year old or injured the five year old is in critical condition as we speak and he's being investigated of driving under the influence so all of that was coming into super bowl week with tampa already being at home but kansas city having to travel to the game and because of everything that had transpired. Kansas city's in travel until the day before the super bowl. Which was saturday. Okay so this is happen twice at a my memory new. You know more than i do about this topic. So i'll throw it to you. But when peyton manning left the colts and went to the broncos and he wins the super bowl. that was huge. Now you have. Tom brady leaves new england and he goes to tampa bay anyone's a super bowl. And i understand. I think an argument could be made. Okay bell checking. Robert kraft probably made a decision. Well it clears out a lot of salary cap. Which by the way. I'm not a big fan of salary caps. You know that. I'm a capitalist. Okay put that aside put it in. Its own separate category. But but you can't convince me that brady because he's done in the past wouldn't have been willing to give back. Some money for players have stronger better team because that's the kind of competitor e is to stay on the patriots and yet if i'm bella check and i'm robert kraft and i know robert kraft. I like him a lot. He's a great guy. I don't know but not well. Okay so i'm thinking if you're bella check and you're robert kraft and you're watching brady and you're watching gronkowski out gray game. Also what are you thinking yesterday. Well first of all it wasn't a good night for bill bell checking and it's not gonna be a good year or at least a good few muscle bill. Go check with your robert kraft. You're sick the stomach. 'cause you never wanted to lose brady is just that bill. Belichick is your head coaching. Gm and and and robert kraft it or not or with various be then the organization would admit it or not but it clearly was not about the money. If brady had wanted to stay they would have found a way to work it out. Robert kraft seem to it. What happened is brady went to robbie crap instead. Listen i'm a free agent and just came to you. You drove over to his house. He said i just came to tell you goodbye. He wanted out. He didn't wanna beat any longer. Thought it was him to move on his themselves. Move on behind the scenes story though. What don't you agree beyond giving it to you. I'm giving you. i'm trying to hear. He went he went to craft to say goodbye. Because one of the biggest reasons that bill belichick really didn't make him feel wanted any longer and he got tired of feeling that way and so he wanted to go someplace else improved that he can do what he did. He was incredibly valuable to the success of the new england patriots and he could still be that guy with bill. Belichick obviously wanted to move in a different direction. Sorta like kissing the ring per se. Bill belichick was like listen. I've got six as a head coach of my own. I've got to as a defensive coordinator. And i've been to eleven super bowls overall and i've got eight rings. I don't have to kiss anybody's rain. I've got enough of my own and so as a result. Tom brady wanted to go someplace else and show what he can do which is why he he left. He departed and bill. Belichick coach is not to be question for bill. Belichick the gm that had teams. Like nikial harry as a wide receiver instead of decay. Metcalf or aj brow to either the nfl stuff like that Jacoby percent has gone and he's a backup in indianapolis but he could have easily been a better selection and cam newton based on how cam newton look this year. All of those things played a role in tom. Brady saying you know what. I just want to move on and i just want to move on with my career because i still think i've got nothing left in me and tampa bay in the charges with a two teams. Who believed in. Tom brady chose tampa the other. Thirty teams thought. They had a better option. And tom brady. Bill belichick is the only one feeling sick right. Now it's the rest of them. Yeah i mean. He just defies all all the odds here. Though i mean on paper you can make the case. He's forty three years old. I mean that's a long time. Let me ask you about the intersection. I used to have you know I don't want to talk about politics at all. I just think the dish year was important. Because i think every between the pandemic and between unrest that went on all summer between what happened at the capitol between a rough election. I just think the country needed this day. This this moment of time to bring us back to two sports where it doesn't matter what your politics are and i want sports. It's more general question. Not a political question. I want sports to be political free. You know doctor asa. During the corona virus whenever medicine politics intersect politics always wins. I don't want that to be the same for sports. I don't tune in to try to hear political opinions. Well do i do this for a living. Well let let let. Let's let's let's put it on blast. Put it on. French street sean. Hannity sean hannity. And i don't just talk when we're on air together. We actually talk off the so. Let's be right about that. We've had we've had disclosure. I never thought you admit the publicly though. No no no. I'm my own man. Ice getting admit that. I think you're crazy half the time. But you know what i talked. Y'all is he's still my buddy. Here's the deal bottom line is this. And i've said this to your buddy. The great one mark levin on a couple of occasions we can talk about stuff being political free and stuff like that when you get into the minutiae of things that start talking policy. You have a point but a lot of times. That's not the case. I'd take for example when i brought up piling cabinet when sh- when mock within was complaining to me about capital and he doesn't want to see it i think he said he's messing up the game. I stay with all due. Respect mark levin. He knelt before the game. It didn't it. Didn't interfere once kickoff arrived so reality is that you know what you could have your taste all you want to. But you really can't accuse these folks interfering with the actual game itself because once tip off rival kickoff arrive these guys go out and play and there have been no that have taken place wants to tip off or kickoff started in these respective leagues and a lot of times in the united states of america free speech. And all of this stuff. And everybody's got the right to believe what they wanna feel the way that they wanna feel this notion that oh my god. It's interfere with the game. That's not necessarily true. Even the nba players with all of the involved in social protests because of social unrest and things of that nature. They still went up. Being performed in that bubble gave us. The problem is one hits. Hits the field and hits the court. Then then you're risking it viewed and i think it is as political and once once that wants that intersects then then you begin the process where you're alienating people's affection for the game. I love sports for all the reasons you ever talked about in so many times. A re mirrors life itself you winning losing party. You work better. You do all the things that drive me as a conservative here but it but there's something but see things getting missed along the way like for example. I brought up tapping for reason. Why brought up cabinet for a reason because long before capping it took a knee. You had a marshawn lynch sitting down on a bench eating a banana during the national anthem. No one said a word. They didn't say work. How people respond to that without getting political. You understand what. It's like. What i i do understand it but what i'm trying to say is that you know what i want to go to. Let's say it's basketball. And i'm watching. Lebron james arm watching. Oh god bless god kobe. Bryant's you know sold. I love bird. And i love magic. I love watching them. I ll you know whenever the sport happens to be. I like to watch the top of the field compete. Okay that's it and and for most americans. I think they like me yesterday. We need a break. Okay and what i don't want. I don't want to see the intersection. Nor do i want to see. For example. all. These athletes spend decades and decades getting getting strong and building their skills and then this is taken to insult conclusion. People don't cow or the money and opportunities go with it first of all somebody. that's cool. what you. What did i tell you about asking those questions that i'll give me an opportunity and so i'm getting on you now. You know i. I get on you now. All right. that's number one number two. Here's the deal. If you can't point to somebody literally it's a fairy with the game. Then you have to ultimately go back to the fact that as an american citizen not having your ability to enjoy the game in it. What is your problem. You got a situation where people are going to be turned off. Of course there. They recognize that. It's a risk that they're willing to take. They were clearly supported by the nfl and the national basketball association. As well. i gotta tell you think people are to get turned off but they still show up and play the game and they don't interfere with the game and they need to be given credit for that. Robert kraft said anybody on this team. This is going back a couple of years when cabinet. I happened anybody on this any any charity. That's gonna benefit people in our city. I'll match dollar for dollar okay. And and if i would argue if off people if they enlisted the fans to help their causes it would be far more effective. That's my final thought. An my final point to you. Is that not only. Do these athletes do that. But many of them do great. There are many of them. Do that and more poorly. They put their money. Where their mouth is. They encouraged people do so them. And you have to consider communities that they come from. And he's still fight the good fight and contributors to society in very very positive way the need to be given more credit for that congrats on all your success on. Espn espn all right. Thank you steven. Big tech is doing everything they can to silence conservative news stories and conservative voices. So you might wonder. What am i not seeing that. They won't allow me to see on their platforms. The good news is our podcast. The ben ferguson. Podcast covers the news stories every day that they won't let you see that's right you'll get the new stories. They're hiding from you so be sure to listen to the ben ferguson. Podcast on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Wherever you get your podcast download it. Now we're learning. The from people were talking too familiar with the investigation that they are getting indications. Some evidence that they've seen that indicates that there was some level of planning they've noticed From looking at surveillance cameras from looking at some of the weaponry that showed up that there were people who were at the ellipse where there was a trump rally earlier in the day. Some people left the scene of that rally early and appeared to have gone to retrieve weapons that then turned up at the scene of the riot at the capitol hill. This was all planned out. I wanna get to this issue of coordination and premeditation. Because only and this is really the leading edge of this investigation and for the first time today we heard the us attorneys say that he believes the pipebombs are connected to the riders and that it was a diversionary tactic so right at the height of this between twelve forty five and one fifteen when president trump is speaking you have the first group pushing onto the capitol complex. The first pipe bomb is reported at the rnc headquarters here in washington. Then at one fifteen the second is reported at the dnc and the us attorney said today he thought they were diversionary which means they were an effort to pull first responders away from the capital at the very time frame that they were breaching onto the capital so it would further weaken security at that site and all of this goes to. I'm sorry it's a long answer. It all goes to the idea of premeditation and coordination among individuals for the big questions for investigators has been whether or not whether the people who attacked the capital with this was a just a mob that just got out of control or whether there was planning i noticed warned of war at the capital but for some reason security wasn't stepped up there to meet the challenge that that would pose on how much of it was planned. How much of this was strategized ahead of time. People wandering around exercising their first amendment rights. don't bring ropes and ladders and sledgehammers to spontaneous. This was planned assault. As if going. After a castle odds driven by hatred they hate bill and hillary clinton so much they will stop at nothing to bring him down. Because we are here. We are here to jay. Because the republicans in the house are paralysed with hatred of president clinton and until the republicans. Free themselves of this hatred. Our country will suffer and one of the reasons. We all feel so angry about. What they are doing is that they are ripping from us. They are ripping asunder votes. They are telling us that our votes don't they must never be. A narrowly voted impeachment or impeachment supported by one of our major political parties and opposed by the other. Bill clinton acted deplorably in his personal behavior. But what the american people are saying loudly clearly is. Let's get on with the business bar. Democracy will be threatened if we destroy the due process and high standard at the founding fathers established over two centuries ago the process the majority has pursued in this manner has been partisan driven i believe by animus and exceedingly unfair like so many other acts of these last two congresses. It has been on worthy of our duty and our responsibility. This is their president. We are talking about and we in congress had better be very carefully before we upset their decision and make darn sure that our decision to impeach him was based upon principal and non politics. My fear is that when a republican wins the white house. Democrats will demand payback. I think you have a lot of absorb as now. Every every three big issues have been focused on about where the impeachment shift shows going to end up going this week. A lot of things have now unraveled. The reason you don't have a a snap impeachment with no investigation. Certainly no investigation completed. Because what are we learning. We're learning about coordination. We're learning about premeditation. Learning about diversions that were put in place By people that had organized and planned. What else does it tell us. Well if it was organized and it was preplanned and less. Donald trump was responsible and a part of the planning for the attack on the on the capital than donald trump's words of many of you will peacefully patriotically march to the capital. Today to let your voices be heard. The fact that law enforcement had numerous warnings. That things were going to happen. A cossio. cortez was one of them. We know intelligence Services apparently at a number of others we know there were six separate requests by the capital chief of police to get national guard in there before and even during what was going on and and all of which was denied And then of course you've got the double standard and that is the the words of the likes of camilla joe. Nancy chuck schumer maxine waters. Whose denying her words wherever meant to be Inflammatory anyway is a joke All now converging together as their case now falls apart as people try to walk back their comments or they try to minimize the comments. They have made insurrectionist comments. Based on their definition of insurrection. Greg jarrett host of his new podcast. The brief author of to number one bestsellers. John salomon editor in chief. Just the news dot com author of the bestseller of fallout here to discuss all of this john. I know you have from the news. Point of view And now even the mob the media fake news. Cnn washington post and pretty much. Every other outlet is recognizing court documents confirming even Than fact a lot of pre-planning went into this so no words of donald trump could possibly incited a spontaneous insurrection. Exactly right sean. If you go through the hundred plus affidavits at the fbi have filed in the charging documents of all the people who've now been charging the capital. Riots you learn that the planning began in november that by late december there was fundraising to get Such as telecommunications so they can talk to people in the air pieces And a riot gear and then there were discussions of meetings and training and there are at least twelve. Affidavits that when you put the total number of bodies involved it looks like sixty to eighty. People were involved in some sort of pre planning. They were going to meet up. You've got virginia talking about meeting north carolina. People you've got other people saying thirty forty of us are going together. We have all have our tactical plans. There talks of commanders. This was not spontaneously. This goes the same path has been ghazi. Remember we were told. Benghazi was a riot spontaneously spur and it turned out to be a planned terror attack. This attack was planned for days and weeks. And the fbi's evidence make it every funeral and yesterday former police chief of the capitol. Police said he saw clear evidence that this was premeditated and preplanned because the attackers were communicating with earpieces. Like the secret services is to protect the president the storyline that was fed four status of the day after this and the week before the president was impeached is now demonstrably not true. It's pretty amazing. All of which that they have claimed as false would which it should be such a highlight. Now i am glad to read today. That the republicans do they're going to play at this. These impeachment hearings the words of the democrats and let the american people. Now see what the show hannity has been showing every single night. And what the sean hannity radio show has been playing every day greg jarrett. Well it's rank opoku rec- Just look at nancy pelosi over the last four years. She has used incendiary inflammatory language accusing trump publicly of racism. Passage them treason. Sedition bribery causing mass deaths Trump's words on january sixth pale by comparison. But your point is well taken. Sean you cannot incite a preplanned event. Incitement involves inflammatory words that direct specific actions of violence or destruction and of course nowhere in the president's speech. Did he do such a thing. In fact just the opposite. He counseled the crowd to do it peacefully and patriotically when they marched down the capital but now as john points out. You've got real evidence hard evidence that this was preplanned. In fact last friday federal prosecutors Filed papers with the federal court Saying that they have evidence that this was preplanned well in advance again. You cannot insight a preplanned events so this is what happens when you rush into an impeachment without bothering to engage in even the semblance of an investigation when you rush to judgment without reviewing or even presenting evidence in the house. They voted to impeach within a week. They held no hearings. They offered no right to counsel Right to cross examine a present. A defense evidence. It was a farce. It was a sham. And now as a result you get a senate trial in which the outcome is predetermined in. These senators are for the most part apathetic. They just wanna get through it as quickly as possible and vote to acquit. You know. I well the i think they do. But they haven't quite telegraphed yet exactly whether there's going to be witnesses not now the minute they call. Witnesses doesn't the trial at that point. Just stop and doesn't the defense time to prepare to Cross examined if you will although this really isn't even by any by any definition a anything that resembles a courtroom otherwise. The impeachment wouldn't have happened in the first place in the house with no witnesses called no spent no investigation undertaken none whatsoever. They just pushed through in a week because they wanted a bludgeon trump. On more time. They may play video tapes in their presentation at the outset along with arguments of people saying how traumatized they weren't so for those aren't real witnesses. They're not live witnesses. That won't be a vote on whether actually have live witnesses. That would include cross examination until the conclusion of the argument and presentation of the evidence which is mostly videotape. And at that point. I do expect the senators to vote Witnesses down. they just don't want to go through it. And i think it'll become clear to most senators after the presentation of the argument that this is going nowhere except an acquittal. Yeah i think you're right now. John solomon urine touch with both sides. You got your ear to the ground in washington all right democrats they wanna lay out the most incendiary case they can Fight fight fight. Well we played montages of democrats saying fight fight fight fight fight over you know for years you know. Fight like hell okay. Let's go fight like hell. Everything's at stake. This election targeted districts. Remember the the lawsuit. I think is even still pending with sarah palin. Bob beckel invented targeting districts for defeat in an election. But it's the same standard every time it is and and you know. The democrats will try to cherry. Pick statements at some of the participants in the riot made and say this is proof that the president Inside it that these people were inspired by the president but the decision in the supreme court. Brandenburg makes clear what incitement isn't and it is overwhelmingly. Clear that this attack was planned in advance. And you can't as greg said you can't inside something that was already planned and i think the folly of it will become clear very quickly. There'll be some emotional appeals and then you'll get to the facts and when you get to the facts. Senators are just not going to have the evidence to convict just like. They didn't have the evidence to convict in the first impeachment. Trial and then the question becomes. Why did we go through the second time. And there's a danger of a very significant political boomerang coming back across america when people realize we just wasted more time another trial on something that ended in right where we began with. The president being declared innocent. How does this end john. Solomon i think when people realize that the chief justice of the united states which the constitution says shall meaning. He's required to preside over. This would not participate in this and they see pat lay in the chair. They're gonna realize what a partisan sham this was. yeah. I agree Greg jarrett think the public eventually understands i. I think people understand what a snap impeachment is at this point absolutely do and they realized the house speaker is consumed with hatred or democratic caucus resembled lemmings marching to the sea and they rushed into this. And you know as john sad The folly of it is exposed by the absence of facts. And once you know. American see this presented in the united states senate there really is no incriminating evidence and only skull vittori evidence they will conclude is as i wanna go concluded that this is just a colossal waste of time and it's it's driven by partisan politics and they're doing great damage to the constitution and The impeachment clause of that esteemed document as envisioned in britain by our founding. Fathers into shame. All right i wanna thank you both. Cr- very insightful is going to be a lot of noise. A lot of emotion. A lot of theater with a predetermined outcome. Can you think of going to play and you know how it ends. Then there's no suspense but they'll make it seem like it's bigger than ever and hopefully now that the republicans are going to fight fire with fire. That'll be an effective defense. All right thank you both. Eight hundred nine. Four one sean. You want to be part of the program a little more on the super bowl double standard media mob and all things joe conscious joins us And we'll get to your calls. Final hour of the program news roundup news roundup information overload. Hour is next news. Roundup information overload. Hour stole many people talking about the big game. Let go for the record. I think everybody on team hannity here picked the bucks. We'll pick the bucks slender. I think you know and you said it was going to be a big margin. I think you want on the margin aspect of it. A lot of us thought it would be closer. I call tampa bay for winning by seventeen but they won by. I think of twenty one or twenty. Two jason was. It tends to big grady haters. So he was not for the buccaneers not bucking ears. Oh man offended him. what would you want. i didn't really care. No i wanna brady to win. I my heart was with getting seven super bowl rings. that's insane. anyone wanted the chiefs chiefs. I'm so sad Poor we feel bad for katie. But she's for anybody. James i let's play some highlights from super bowl. Fifty five jinx hits. The guy you're talking announcer jason's harris. Brady's passed quite that high the career not as the first and ten brady. He's been really done. A good job of evolving this offense. It's gone on this second. Thirteen packed into the hands of gronkowski's win second dry now. It's tough to stop again. Brady third option talks with the touchdown with eighteen seconds. Brady goes in the middle of the field. The powers down to the nine. They still have that one time out here. And then you don't get it was fake news the past and there's the catch just unbelievable rob by antonio brown and what a job brady throws this fall down low. Where you can get your. It's time can be talk bird and fourteen exit not the deflection. It's intercepted four nine. Running for his life mahomes comes mahomes. Find the end zone. Hold on one. Last indignity antonio brown looked like his career was over. Cousy comes out of retirement for nap was looking for a home in win. The super bowl ended. The ball would be in the hands of tom. Brady why we ever think it walk all right by the way. Thanks to our friends at Cbs sports for The great great calls are and and so many people. I thought jim nance did a great job calling the game as as he always does. I thought it was a great halftime. Show with the commentary there I wasn't the biggest fan of the halftime music segments. but whatever. I'm a little older. I you know. I want like the stones and the who i guess ages me joe concert. Wouldn't you say who that. Yeah exactly if you don't know who the who is. You're you're really full of crap. Because i know you know i know. I know i was watching that. It was the weekend that was performing besides getting a little bit dizzy and probably being at the two sober to absorb that halftime show. I just came to the conclusion. I'm just old. And i just don't get it anymore. So we're in the same boat. Yeah all right so you put out a tweet. It says this is brady's greatest victory. He went to team went to a team with a losing identity. Didn't know the coach didn't know most of the players he beats breeze rogers and mahomes With pretty darn phenomenal in the lead up to this big game on sunday which i thought the big story line for me was the quarterback story because mahomes homes is a franchise quarterback this. This will not my view be as long as he stays healthy hopefully his last super bowl. And but i mean when you think of beating all three of these franchise quarterbacks on the way to winning your seven super bowl. It speaks volumes. Doesn't it i mean we. We talk about being all before and brady did all that. He beat rogers and he'd be breezy. Beat mahomes mahomes was six years old when brady went to his first super bowl thinking about that for a second survey he he did all of this and he did it on a team like you mentioned where he doesn't have the coach right and it's it's a losing organization for the most part. They've been one super bowl fifty four that replaced to that point and the fact that tom brady was able to just not gonna just win but dominate. I it just tells you that it's a culture thing with him too right. Yeah he's got the town of course but where he goes. He changes the culture of that theme and it helps to have a defense like that too which just made patrick calls utterly human so overall i mean look. We got to see a super bowl. Which if you told me in september these guys grunting spitting on each other and you know obviously the closest contact during a pandemic the fact of the nfl is able to pull this off is utterly remarkable and we. We have escaped yesterday. I know right and and what was your meal of choice. Mine was philly cheese steak soup. Nothing really too crazy. I i wish. I wish i had something better to tell people that i had to eat. I ended up not eating that much that it was the first super bowl. I could remember efforts. Starting in my childhood my parents used to bring with the super bowl party through college through my young adulthood. I host a super bowl party almost every year. That i actually watched it without another man next to me but fortunately my wife kind of knows her stuff because fans this yourself but not bad. I had show him bourbon and couldn't be happier. Yeah unbelievable time. And i guess people can pretty much argue from now until the cows come home you know. Who's the greatest of all time which is fine with me but with that said You can't deny the tom brady. There's something about his fierceness now. If you're robert kraft who. I know and like i've met him a number of times. I like him a lot. And your bill pella check and you're watching the game yesterday. What are you thinking. i'm thinking. Wow maybe we shouldn't let that guy go. I got why they did. You know 'cause he was there for twenty years and you do the math like what what forty three year. Old quarterback is. Everyone is super bowl no one. I don't think it's quarterback over forty seven super bowl before. I guess they just felt okay. He's at his end. And we have to break up at some point but just to watch tom brady. And the fact that he had to be asked by the way about his support for donald trump. what he's part of seventy four million people. That's such a big deal. i saw. Usa today com where the comms actually said. The tom brady hasn't been held accountable for his support. Trump held accountable. But what what. What does that mean. Exactly it's just funny. How trump has to be tied into everything including tom brady. Who was just a role model. He's an exemplary figure. He's a great dad. He's a friendly guy. He's a competitor. As you said you saw him up in the face of a couple cheap defenders on more than one occasion and this guy just wins. I mean the wind seven super bowl. The next closest guy named joe. Montana and terry bradshaw and they have four. It's not even close you you. You witness greatness yesterday on the level of michael jordan nerve pickier performer. Babe ruth yeah. I'm unbelievable times that we have. But you know you said something to. I mean this week coming up here you got this impeachment shift shade shift show charade is what we call it and you know the divisiveness in washington is is what it is and you see the media coverage in you follow it every day. If if the now that we know that this was a lot of premeditation lot of coordination lot of planning went into what happened on the sixth. It takes away an entire narrative that donald trump's rhetoric incited the insurrection at the capitol unless they can show that donald trump was plotting and scheming and planning with those that were plotting and scheming and planning which they're not gonna be able to do it shows a while you don't have a snap impeachment be that it was all planned ahead of time now. Did some people that had attended the rally. A small percentage tiny percentage of them joining stupidly. Yeah they did all probably going to get in trouble for it. But there were people that were organizing this and even more importantly or the intelligence failures the law enforcement failures and i believe to at some level probably the congressional level failures there because of cossio. Cortes knew a week before the insurrection. That this was this was being planned Did she tell speaker. Pelosi did she tell the sergeant of arms did she tell the capitol police. You know who told what to who and win. And that's the thing we're not getting any answers. sean. I mean the capitol police. They still have not held a press conference to talk about take questions about how they were so overwhelmed and undermanned event. That apparently more than a few people knew it was coming. We knew that january six is probably gonna get ugly in some capacity. not obviously. We're anybody's going to storm the capital. There wasn't a person on the planet that that could have predicted that. But yeah they're they're not answering any questions and the fact that we have to go through as you called. It is shannon peach mint because they don't have the votes to convict any convict conduct what to remove the president from office. I believe he did that on his own a couple of weeks ago. He's a mar-a-lago right now. So we might as well just impeach george washington at this point because retroactively when you think about it he did own slaves and i can't stand so that this president now it's we're we're going to have every time parties in power. I hope republicans. Don't do this but you're going to have a president impeach- just as you said in a snap way just put on political theater. That american -tated this point wasn't it all pandemic thousand problems going on and now the senate that can't even pass covert released with the house. You know with all those people hurting but typically those guys and the keystone pipeline are out of work. We're gonna concentrate on this now for a week and our media. Well hey tickled pink about best. Because they get the best trump for another week and stand up on their soapboxes and and do all the rousing go viral types of speeches on television but after this man then the plunge comes cnn and msnbc so the world because they don't have their jay arguing anymore to kick around in donald trump and you're gonna see ratings sponges early saw a week after biden's inaugurations cnn. Nearly lost half. Its audience. Forty four percent week to week. And that's what's going to happen again after this impeachment and we'll get back to normal except for fox news employees and all that at least we're going to scrutinize the biden administration all the powerful accountable but those other two networks. They're going to learn real quick by cheerleading administration. And not asking the tough questions. People are going to out in a big hurry and they. They're all grave here sean. I've lived through the cycles. I kinda love this. Joe contra i mean it happens every time well Let's see bill clinton got elected. That's it for for guys like rush limbaugh and other guys and talk radio and hannity and so many others. I'm like no that was the beginning of Yet opposition voices a rising in the country which had been a rarity prior to nineteen eighty-eight. When rush started. I started in radio. Nineteen eighty seven my first time and then you look okay. What are you gonna do now. You have a republican office. That's it you're careers are over. And there's always a transition people kind of get burnt out of politics after tough elections but they all come running back when the issues start to matter and they're going to matter here faster than usual and then obama's elected what's hannity going to talk about now. He's doesn't never republican on office. Oh hannity to talk about a republican office. Donald trump. what's hannity gonna talk about. Joe biden's in office and you know i just sit there and i've lived through all of these cycles and all of the predictions of my demise and i'm like okay ben here not my first rodeo. I could write the stories for them. And then i can write the comeback aspect for them to if they wanted to hear that part of it they. Don't you love job don't you. i'm i'm getting. I'm getting the feeling that you like doing. Four hours of radio and television. Every day i mean. Do you ever think you'd be at this point in your career. Just i mean that's what i my honest answer is. I feel blessed to do it every day. I'm worried about the country. This is so many of so many other. Americans are worried about the state of media. It's it's never been this vicious or bad or false. In terms of the things they report the lies they tell the conspiracy theories they pedal We've never been under more fire. But i'm kind of used to that part of it. Because it i i built up enough immunities to last me. Four hundred lifetimes at this point trick is to say also media that. That's an ugly place right so that that that gives you peace of mind but yeah overall what. We're looking at here as far as the vitamin station. Plenty of things to talk about as far as quickly these executive orders right. He says in october before the election. you passing executive orders and don't go through congress or acting like a decatur now. He's literally acting like a dictator and the consequences are already very dire in terms around these things. So it's it's gonna be interesting. I'm curious to see who now becomes the leader of the republican party right 'cause donald trump really doesn't have an avenue in terms of speaking right unless he has to do a rally in front of a microphone but who now emerges and becomes the face of the republican party is like rhonda santa's or kristi nome. I who who do you got money on like who do you like. Is it a palm. Peyot does cruz or rubio. Will any of these got guys jumping. I mean who knows. I mean and what does donald trump to. I mean. you can't can't see the guy that wrote the art of the comeback. I wouldn't i wouldn't write him off so quick. I would think if he's healthy. The odds are pretty high. You would you'll be inconsideration running. And i think if he runs again yes then then those other candidates are tell us i mean how do you Trail fifty sixty million vote. Headstart if say sixty seven republicans want him to running. I wouldn't want that mission. Joe contra and i'd take on a lot of battles. I don't need that one all right my friend thank you. Let's let the thousands of fossil fuel industry workers whether it's pipeline workers or construction workers who are either outward for will soon be out of work because when it is and where it is that they can go for their green job and that is something the administration has promised. There is now a gap. So i'm just curious when that happens when those people well certainly welcome you to present your data of all the thousands and thousands of people who won't be getting a green job. Maybe next time you're here. You can present that so that they would be getting green jobs from his ass that so how about this. The laborers international union of north america said the houston lost one thousand existing union jobs and ten thousand projected construction jobs. Well what mr trump. Also indicated in the same interview was that president biden has proposed a climate plan with transformative investments and infrastructure and laid out a plan that will not only create millions of good union jobs but also help tackle the climate crisis. Yeah let's circle back on that we circle back. Let's circle back. I'm going to circle back on all of this. This is now what they're aiming to do. Everything is going to be climate. Climate climate the un climate envoy mark. Carney climate crisis deaths will be worse than cove it. It will be the equivalent of a corona virus crisis every year. The world's gonna end in twelve years cossio. Cortez that's important. In no return massachusetts. Climate official sixty percent of emissions come from people driving their cars and heating their homes. We will have to break there will. What are we supposed to bicycle to work now. Okay bernie introducing a bill to declare national climate emergency. What's the purpose of that. There's this way they can use emergency government powers to implement anything they want all in the name of climate emergency. This is how nuts this is all getting in his as ben getting this is what the green new deal always was about. All right. let's go to. Sheila is in texas. Sheila hi how are you glad you called hannity. I'm good how are you. I'm good what's going on with you. I was just calling to talk to you about this article. That came out in time magazine about the shadow conspiracy to To fortify the election of twenty twenty have you seen it. I have seen it. I have read a lot of my friends have been asking me about it. And is it's pretty fascinating because what it it kinda confirms is that you know what they really was a little kabbalah people that no matter what you know. Wanna donald trump out. It's sorta like a a deep state the red state at an interesting headline. Why did time magazine spill the beans about anti-trumps shadow campaign and all confirming urge. a. If i did it book you know yeah names of all these groups left and right never trumper types and others all coordinating well-funded working to change election laws. Control the flow of information. All of that was chronicled. We'll you know what will put it up on. Hannity dot com. It's worth the read. Write you know. In the sake of preserving democracy they basically have done the exact opposite of democracy and for those that are fine with the outcome. That's fine now. They're guy one but you know that's not always going to be the case. It's more of a selection than election. And it's quite frankly the opposite of what this country is supposed to be about very disturbing. And i think you know that this information is more information than they had when they pulled up the russia. Collusion thing with trump. You know this is way more than they have been. And i just don't understand why nobody's paying attention to it and it's a confession in why nobody's you know asserting special council appointing a special counsel to maybe least look into it because people aren't stupid and american see what's going on and what what it describes. Let me see if i can get this right and you told me in. This is after reading. The whole thing is kind of admitting that you've got a cabal of left wing radical leftists all these different groups elitists institutionalists individuals and what was a comprehensive conspiracy. If you like that word without without being conspiracy theory day they are revealing. This is not something. I'm making up. This is what they're saying. And that they really just a well. Coordinated effort at all levels to stop the election of donald trump and to prevent it from happening and all these groups working and coordinating in ways that i think would shock most americans absolutely i think all americans should read it. No matter who you vote for i mean like i said it's an attack on on our freedoms attack on on the way our country does elections. It's you know. These people are so arrogant that they think that they're doing it for the greater good but that's exactly not what what voting process is about. They did not let democracy be done because they wanted to make sure that the outcome was what they wanted because in their mind. Donald trump is an assault on democracy. Yeah very disturbing. Look all of this with cancel culture all of this to silence talk. Radio fueled us on fox all of this to cancel conservative voices on social media all of the suppression of what. We're real news. Stories like like the hunter biden laptop issued prior to the election But even more importantly not only did they ignore the real russia. Collusion hillary's dirty dossier. The the russian disinformation that was then used as a predicate and a ally to obtain the warrants to spy on a presidential candidate president in this case donald trump. they never went with that story but they they. They did advance every second hour of every day for years the whole russia collusion hoax. And it is a hoax. It always was a hoax. They never cared about the truth. They don't care about correcting the record at this point. So yeah you have the way. I've been saying it my own way but this just confirms a lot of what i've been saying. And that is that we have powerful institutions in this great country. Sadly sheila that are are failing. We the people on a spectacular level democratic party. There's no lie too big. They won't tell no bit of propaganda. They won't advance the mob in the media. they are the press office for all things radical democratic socialists. Now there's there's no hiding it anymore. Big tech full coordination efforts to silence. Conservative voices left and right even stop stop. Competitors from emerging like in the of parlor and hiding pertinent information that voters would choose in the lead up to an election. It's it's It's kinda scary. Not the type of thing that i thought we'd ever see in this country any of these things. I just mentioned. I never thought could happen here. Now it happens. It happens on a regular basis and nobody gets held accountable for it and so what does this mean for our future. Well i can tell you one thing. What it means is not gonna be good. There's nothing good that can come out of the lie becoming the truth and a lie being advanced by some of the most powerful institutions in society that has the greatest reach to we the people. It's it's this is gonna be very very very fascinating time and defining moment in our history. How this all plays out ryan georgia. Hey ryan how're you. Hey sean how are you. I'm good what's going on good So listen i was on listening last week You guys had a caller up She was from cuba and She was you know she was saying how she's a republican. She was fleeing socialism she's fleeing communism And it's funny. Because i was you know i talked to one of my good friends often. Who's from south florida Then grew up or thirty years old. Grew up with a bunch of hispanic friends But he said he always said the one thing is they're all you know very they swing very very far to the left But all of their friends parents. They're all republicans you know. They're the ones that emigrated here. They're the ones that what is actually behind the curtain. And i just wanted to ask you what you think. The disconnect is between the youth. Because i you know. I see a lot of older people that are you know conservative. Republicans and all. The you know the younger kids. They're all you know hard left you know. Well there's two things to think of one. Churchill v twenty and not a liberal. You don't have a heart forty nine conservative. You don't have a brain factor that part in okay but there's something bigger deeper that goes on every human being that you know if you believe his high where human beings are mind body soul. I believe we're all created by the same god and you have to factor that into things but as as it's every single human being has a natural fear worry concern it just depends where on the scale you might fall on on that level. We should all have concern but when concern becomes worry and fear you probably letting your mind go too far and for some people can even become incapacitating but the natural questions that any any human being has okay. I got to provide for where i live. I gotta provide for my transportation. I gotta provide and put food on my table got to provide and the gang get a car and pay the rent to pay the mortgage whatever you have. You have kids now. You gotta you gotta think about sending them to college the other thing about a college fund you gotta think about books and clothes and all the other associated expenses so there is a certain appeal and it seems to be more for young people. That tend to be idealistic. Having not really lived in the real world indoctrinated by an academia by liberal former dead head professors that seemed to have gravitated towards academia. But yet you have an appeal to. Everything's free now socialism. I wrote a whole chapter and live free or die about it. It's history of failure. Whatever name you give it whatever manifestation it takes on the idea that the horrible rich people too much money and we're gonna take their money and we're going to redistribute it we're going to provide you and guarantee government job government Paid leave government. Vacations government healthy food government health care. government retirement. You know there's a. Wow i don't i don't i don't have any more fear anxiety or worry for the rest of my life. My government's gonna take care of that for me and the gut check on this for everybody. We have to look beyond the words the false promises because the one the one thing i learned studying this for this chapter on socialism and i discussed over the years is that they're always promises that will never ever be fulfilled ever it's unsustainable number one number two in every case leads to more poverty not more prosperity and number three in the process of empowering quote politicians people. Give up a degree of their freedoms in the name of false security at the time the experiment fails the question remains well. How much of your freedom did you lose in the process of believing the big lie. If governments were successful at keeping their promises than every city in every town run by liberal democrat for decades would be safe and secure. They'd be peace and prosperity it's non existent in most and every state run by liberal democrats for decades the school system the next basic fundamental thing government promises our kids. Well they have the worst scores. The worst schools the most violence and they are the biggest failure. And they don't offer parent school choice. I can look to obamacare. Most recent example of big government program. That flop fast and every promise made was broken and that is keep your doctor. Millions lost their doctor. Keep your plans. Millions lost their plans. Pay less. we're all paying on average over two hundred percent more. So why would we believe this. This bernie biden. Aoc green new deal manifesto of theirs. Because any time it's been tried throughout history. It has failed. The appeal is the same rich people. It's ill-gotten gains. I don't know people that. Don't the only way you make money that i see unless you inherited it and i don't know those people is that you work hard and produce goods and services others want need and desire and that's what makes capitalism the most honest system of governance that brings the best out of people and that has resulted in america. You know literally advancing the human condition not only for the people in this country but around the world it's our innovation or invention that came up with operation warp speed which came up with a vaccine per corona virus that we share with the world. That's that's only one example transportation another example. So does that answer your question. Absolutely man i appreciate. I love the show pre long winded answer but it deserves the time in my opinion really does because it's an important question that's going to wrap things up for today please. Dvr hannity tonight nine eastern on the fox news channel preview of the latest impeachment. shift charade. Show in dc. Lindsey graham alan dershowitz. Newt gingrich will weigh in also mack gauge joins us. Lara logan investigates and lawrence jones at the border and iowa governor kim reynolds on cova changes in that state. All coming up tonight. Nine eastern hannity on fox will see event. Thanks for being with us back you tomorrow. 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BPR Full Show 1/8/21: Freedom of Tweets?

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BPR Full Show 1/8/21: Freedom of Tweets?

"Support for boston. Public radio comes from mclane middleton for over one hundred years mclane middleton has been dedicated to serving its clients and its community offering guidance through the complexities of today's legal system with locations. And wilburn and boston mclean dot com ahead on boston. Public radio representative. Ana presley is calling for the impeachment or removal. Donald trump for the raleigh played inciting insurrection on capitol hill and wednesday in the violence and chaos that ensues pro-trump mob stormed through the federal building. Five people have died as they will join us to discuss. Urgent calls to reconvene congress and impeach the president again. We'll take your calls. And new documentary. Captures the of democracy. Not by one moment but by a thousand cuts weaken to its breaking point. A thousand cuts documentarian ramona diaz refers to the philippines under rodrigo duterte and tracks one journalist as she navigates an escalating war and crackdown. On the press. Filmmaker remorse diaz would join us to discuss ahead of boston. Public radio eighty nine seven. Gb h you're listening to public radio. Eighty nine seven gp h good morning gems. Here the npr news. At the top of the hour. I did so. Do you want to join me. And filing make us brief in the dominions one point three billion dollars against sydney bell. I'll draw up tonight. So i think about. It can file a monday. She doing lots of people doing the talks to i hope they prevail so to fully comprehend. The degree to which trump is threatening democracy in the safety of american citizens with only twelve days left of his presidency. they're urging kohl's to remove him from office before he can do more harm among the first to make that call was congresswoman ileana presley. Yesterday she unveiled a resolution to impeach trump for high crimes and misdemeanors. She joins us along. Talk about this. How law enforcement response to. This week's insurrection was literally the difference between black and white more. She represents seven congressional district. Congresswoman we really appreciate your calling in. Thanks good morning warning. Good morning. Nice woman as well as jim just said you. You were on the first to recommend that the President be taken out of office with twelve days lasted twenty fifth amendment but there are only twelve days left congresswoman. How realistic is any kind of removal at this point. I think it's realistic Now will we myself representative o'meara we introduced these articles since then we have over one hundred co sponsors and i know. There's a growing bipartisan support. The acts of domestic terrorism that the capital they really make clear what we'd known for years that donald j trump he is a grave threat to our democracy and he must immediately be removed from office. He actively incited a violent. White supremacists insurrection. He endangered the lives of members of congress. Staff workers in the capital in once again demonstrated his contempt for democratic rule of law. In the will of the american people you know i. It's just the fact that just four days ago that my colleagues and our soaring and and took an oath of office to support to defend our constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic that includes the president of the united states himself. In this unfortunate moment so yes it's twelve days but he is unfit to serve any is dangerous and we cannot afford one more day with trump in office. He has to eat. Mmediately be impeached by the house of representatives and removed from office by the united states senate. And that's why early on. I co lead the introduction of articles of impeachment and i'm calling on democratic leadership Actually now they. They responded that we will be. I know we're convening and democratic caucus today by phone and that Articles of impeachment Are expected to be on the floor. Sometime next week if i may congresswoman following up on what Marjorie s than i don't disagree with any of your factual analysis of what's happened last few days. One hundred and forty seven year republican colleagues in the house even after this attempted coup Still a voted against the certification of votes for joe biden six senators. I think maybe seven still did it. Even if trump is impeached. A second time in the house. Which i assume will be next week. Is there any reason to think there are seventeen. Republicans are even well. I don't know about mitt. Romney even to republicans who would vote to remove him from office before january twentieth again. Momentum continues to grow on that front but to the point that you're making their a gym. I would just underscore that. Donald trump is not alone in his culpability for what took place in washington nor for the hatred and the violence that he is sewn in. Our communities You know i would say his entire adult life but certainly the past several years and You know republicans. They share in the responsibility for these consequences for permitting. Hate in turning a blind eye to Violence extremism and. That's why i joined in partnership with Freshman member representative corey bush assigned onto her resolution. Calling for investigations and they meet expulsion of those members who have been complicit in carry the water for trump's cruelty his corruption for his dangerous rhetoric and policies to and they incited these blatant attempts to overturn our elections and to disenfranchise millions of voters in the irony. Here is at my colleagues across. The aisle often characterize themselves as patriots. Kind where were you when this happened. This whole thing went down on a this week. Yeah so I i was in my office but let me i. Just start at the top of the day. I headed into the capital With a close friend and colleague of mine and we were speaking excitedly and hopefully about the future of our country. Because this was hours after the victories of Warnock and john respectively and just feeling so hopeful that day and thanks to the leadership and the preparedness of my chief-of-staff sarah grohl who had taken all the precautions to ensure that we would have a safe a route of entry into the building because we weren't anticipating what without would be protesters not Domestic terrorists but that being said knew that there was potential for it to go Bad very left And so i think you know we felt that once. We were in the building that we were going to be safe. We could never have anticipated what occurred and so there was a moment there where we were in the dark On the ground with gas masks in our hands with Furniture in water used to barricade the doors close and it was terrifying. It was absolutely terrified. You congresswoman pro. We're talking. I honor presley. Obviously you've called for an investigation of what happened that day. And i assume part of that is the performance of law enforcement. And i know it appears people have been reached conclusions yet but the mildest criticism is that the appropriate authorities were totally unprepared. Despite the fact that a lot of people knew they were going to be a lot of people even if they didn't think it was going to lead to this and the most serious charges is that some of the officers involved were collaborators with the rioters. Where do you fall on this based on what you know just based on the last couple of days again. This was a violent insurrection by white supremacy terrorists Who appear to have been aided and abetted by law enforcement. We already know. They were enabled by trump and republicans in congress who sought to undermine our democracy and in my capacity on the house oversight committee. That's why. I'm pursuing a thorough and transparent investigation into what happened yesterday in how our law enforcement agencies failed to protect the capital and members of congress from An armed right wing mob. The american people they do deserve to know who these assailants were and There's been loss of life. and furthermore. there's really no need jim to speculate. On how different the response from law enforcement would have been if it were a group of mostly black and brown or disabled folks. We have enough evidence to know. Exactly what the difference would have been so This was a coordinated terrorist attack that enabled these terrorists to storm the capital to storm the capital to break windows and to ravage the halls of congress into terrify its members and You know jim jeff. Bill that i'm often this since i've been in congress there have been so many unprecedented things to occur in. I remember us Speaking with one. Another after the murder of george floyd and You know really just trying to keep it together here. It was terrifying moment and was to see a noose hung on the west lawn of the capitol to see people parading through the halls of congress with confederate flags. It was frighteningly familiar. And i cannot pretend that there were not legitimately moments where i feared for my life talking to anna. Presley a congressman. What does it say to you that. I haven't seen a poll since wednesday. But i'm assuming things are as they've been for four years that seventy percent of republicans in this country think. The election was stolen as i said before. The vast majority of your republican colleagues and the house appear to support the trumpian agenda including overturning the election. What does it say about the state of democracy in in january of twenty twenty one. You know. I'm certainly not in denial about those dynamics They are sobering They are sad. They're dangerous But you know. I'm really just trying to reclaim some of my joey about what happened in jordan And about the fact that We have elected. Joe biden income harris in that. I hope that we're turning the page on this dark chapter in our history but in the here now what i remain firmly focused on again is the removal of trump from office And also Those members of congress who have been accomplices in this insurrection indus undermining a free and fair election free and fair elections and of a smooth transfer of power which has been You know this has been a pillar in our democratic institutions and that was all rewarded. But i might also add here that The the flames that have been emboldened by donald trump and his minions with his Racist and dangerous rhetoric and policies that even once we get rid of him. We still have our work to do. You know these are issues that have really got to be addressed at the root and again. The pandemic has certainly laid bare against this national reckoning on racial injustice these persistent in equities and disparities. Racial injustices in so. I don't think that our response just be business as usual and bass why within hours of the capital of being seized upon my staff and i were working in partnership with representative omar to drop these articles of impeachment and why support representative bush's resolution For the immediate expulsion of those republican members by the way they should. I should say if i may. You mentioned the transition of power trump. Did this little hostage video last night. Talking about the transition focusing. We should say right before we went on. The air trump tweeted that he will not be attending the inauguration on january twentieth. Even though apparently vice president pence will be. We're talking to yana presley. congressman kind of some. I just learned this morning. That that online The intent of these writers was well known they were talking about getting guns and other weapons and whether you could smash the windows at the capitol where the windows were reinforced and You know how to get into the building streets economic and this was all online which makes it even more incredible. I i know that the head of the capitol police has resigned. The sergeant of arms resigned. But how concerned. Are you going forward since since i would assume people that. Pay attention new this before this attack on the capital. How concerned are you about the about the inauguration while the capital the chief of capital police he needed to resign but he still needs to be held accountable again which is why in my capacity with the house oversight committee i am demanding a full and thorough investigation as we can better understand what individuals and what agencies enabled these violent white supremacists to seize our capital and terrify are members Of course. I have concerns. And i have a lot of questions and when we come together and caucus out i'll begin to ask those questions but This has shaken the foundation of a sense of trust and safety and Certainly a presley. Can we talk about a topic. I was gonna say back home but it's sort of back home and back in dc. Marty walsh is about to Become labor secretary. Should it be confirmed by the senate and kim janey is about to become the first woman the first person of color to be mayor of boston. Could you give us some reaction to both marty walsh. Not bad for a kid from dorchester. Which is an incredible community. You know humble origins there. And i want to congratulate the maryland his nomination and i do also want to just again. I'm trying to reclaim my joy that was stolen from us hours after the asaf war. Not victories just acknowledge. The history that that is being made by my sister and service kim janey she will become the first black person the first woman mayor to serve as the mayor of our city. I've never been so excited to send a text message to someone and so two to begin the morning Saying good morning on that a mayor felt pretty damn good and representation. Matters and kim is going to be a fierce advocate for people in boston. She has been A champion for equity. She's been a truth teller justice-seeker she is a speaking of neighborhood. Pride is i was referencing. Dorchester with with marty walsh. She is a daughter of roxbury and boy does she represent that legacy. Well you back to marty walsh. Though for a second was he the right choice. In your estimation you've been pretty outspoken about the importance of diversity in his cabinet and if reports are to be believed the other serious candidate was labor secretary sue from california who was the preferred candidate of asian american groups and legislators pacific island or legislators and advocates did joe biden. Make the right choice congressman. I've been in close communication with the biden harris transition on everything from Cabinet appointments to sub cabinet appointments to policy priorities and Again just pushing according to what. They campaigned on that. They wanted to have a cabinet. That would be representative of the american people. You know look. I've always believed that people close to the pain should be closest to the power you know. Marty is making history and that He's the first a union member To to hold the this position. I am encouraged by a number of the appointments. But i'm not yet satisfied. And so all i can do is just to continue to make that push. I think people you know. Think push for diversity and representation is about You know pictures that better reflect what our country looks like. You know that's not. The benefit industrial means not why champion the the benefit of representation the power of that diversity of perspective pain at thought has everything to do with lived experience and has everything to do with in how that experience shows up in the policies Bet they enact in so. I'm going to continue to push Both on cabinet subcabinet There are some you know. Four thousand positions that remain to be v. oban. I'm working very hard to make sure that we have representation of from From this region specifically for mcconnell waltham massachusetts. We have a deep bench of talent here. And i want that I want us to have the benefit of that Of the genius. So i'm just going to keep pushing you know. Let's get by season joy for a minute. you know. i'm old enough to remember. Everybody in political power and boston was like me. They're an irish catholic. You know o'malley o'sullivan flaherty everything. Then it was a big deal. When tommy you became the america's oh my god the italians are now on the move you know. He got menino in. The mayor's office jo malone was treasurer. Whatever was this is like an african american woman salami. Here we've got. We've got you in congress. We've got kim. Jane is going to be the first black woman mayor boss week. Rachel rollins who is a fearless district attorney with a lot of power. Andrey abroal on the campbell on the city council. You got andrey abroad is no longer andrea andrea abroa- who's no longer You know the sheriff of suffolk county and public safety. But she's on her show all the time she's real powerhouse. And you got michelle wu Asian american woman black him. But it's like this incredible thing that's happening here. I think he's pretty. It's it's about time boston massachusetts has had a reputation for a long time as being a progressive place. You know given the fact that we have been pacesetters when it comes to marriage equality in healthcare reform To name a few but we have certainly not been pacesetters when it comes to leadership parody When it comes to gender and rates in so to see the strides that have been made and it wasn't that long ago my husband and i were looking at my swearing in from my first a city council and it when you see those images today. It is completely changed. Maureen feeney retired shortly after. I was elected and so i think for maybe two terms. Don't don't quote me. But maybe for two terms i was the only woman on that body and that body today and you see How diverse it is you know. Racially culturally a gender Intergenerational it's exactly what our government should look like it should be representative of the citizenry that serves in doing bad again. People are bringing their lived experiences and their expertise to the table where it certainly shapes the policies they champion and how whole bay extend a hand to make sure is at the table with them So we've made great strides and they were long overdue and i'm excited about the direction that we're move it and while i'm on this little joy celebration here. You could certainly argue that stacey. Abrams is the reason that the The democrats are going to have their representation in the house. I mean she's pretend year. Sorry so goofing everything up here. I apologize in the senate and she and a bunch of african american women working for years in georgia i mean st no abrahams kind. Well and i wanna thank. There are many You know black women that. I'll acknowledge everyone from a tracy lewis who is a an african american political operative who has spent a lot of time you know cutting her teeth and Here in massachusetts and was running the coordinated campaign out there. Makina williams who. Who's now my classmate in the one hundred seventeen congress She is The chaired the door state party and she is a was appointed to Finish out john lewis's to the pointed to john busey Stacey abrams i mean that is been my friend for over a decade and i love her story about when she lost the governorship which i think was stolen from her because of voter suppression unjust purging But but she took ten days to sit shiva and after that after that she started planning right in. So we're great for stacey. Abrams and fair fight on but also The asian american advocacy fund. The muhindi pack a song power pack and many more as i've said You know over and over again of history is written by the winners. The reason why we're able to turn the pavements dark chapter in our history the reason why joe biden mecom lara's were decisively. Historically elected is because the most marginalized came together and there are people who have been on the ground organizing doing community based engagement and mobilization work for decades Who have gone. Unrecognized an uncelebrated like latasha brown from black voters manner. They just have had their head down in in one of those Women's set an interview. Yesterday he said. I'm not used to being thanked. I almost don't know how to respond because we have just been head down focused on organizing and mobilizing and this by saying i love reverend. Barbara's approach was. Which is there's no such thing. As red states and blue states they're only unorganized aids in so when latasha brown from black voters matters says organized power is realized power. And you see that show up in the way that it did in november when they flip georgia blue in these recent elections of soft and raphael. Warnock it is just something and now look that we have. These are historic victories in now. Democrats have to deliver on. This mandate you know we've got a mandate from the people two times over and so the response to that for me must be bold systemic policies that are going to have a tangible impact on the lives of workers and families. And these glenn gould's parodies. And i do believe that many georgians when they have been robbed about miss eleven thousand lives and And they saw that leffler and purdue have really been the bonnie and clyde corruption upcoming their own personal interest ahead of the interest and the welfare and the safekeeping of georgians at they know that mitch mcconnell and the senate they have been obstructionist at every turn including to them getting real relief In the in the way of these two thousand dollar reoccurring survival checks because at this point. That's really what they are. These aren't stimulus chats. These are survival checks. We know over our apologies. But we're glad we did and we're glad you're safe congresswoman. Thanks so much for your time this morning. Thank you great to talk to you. Happy new year. To of course the presi represents the seventh congressional district. We appreciate our time up next. We are opening the lines and asking you with twelve days last. Is it worth it. Putting energy into invoking the twenty-fifth amendment or impeaching donald trump or. Should we just hold our breath. Cross our fingers and keep the worst of his actions are behind us an on eighty nine seven. Gbh boston public radio. Welcome back in boston. Publicradio jim brady and marjorie. The writers may be gone. You know. I just want to say i. Honor presley could not listen to her and not feel what it was like in that building on wednesday. The shoe that was amazing. Well naming us asking about this with our politicians not going to be practicing active shooter drills like the children. The school children the five and six year olds of america have been doing and maybe they will. And maybe this will impact how people feel about gun violence. The riders may be gone but the real threat to america still lurking about the white house and the call to have trump. Removed is getting louder by the minute. From invoking the twenty fifth amendment. Which would require mike pence. The come on board impeaching him again to demanding his resignation which the wall street journal of all places suggested to the mass exodus zone cabinet. The message is trump must go with only twelve days left as we asked the on presley. Is there really a point to all these gestures. What difference does it make if devoss and elaine chao resigned today what goodwill impeaching trump do now will this do anything to protect americans. We're taking your calls asking you symbolic says it may be assuming they can't get anywhere on this with twelve days ago. Are these efforts. Remove trump from office worth it. Does it just expose past failures to recognize and do something as lethal presidency or is this the best way to make clear what donald trump has done to america on his way out the door. Eight seven seven three zero one. Eight hundred nine seven. I should say in fairness a on presley believes that the tide is turning and that. It's not impossible that republican votes could turn up in the senate assuming the house were to impeach trump on wednesday of next week. I just have to say if. I hear one person. Celebrate the courage of betsy devos and elaine chao taught for covering their own behinds with days to go after four years of misogyny and racism and every other horror that we've seen all of a sudden it's acceptable to these people and for chow. Say had i stayed. I would have voted to invoke the twenty fifth a mental. Well maybe you should have stayed and invoked the twenty fifth amendment eight seven seven. Three zero one nine seventy. What's that is. Well i su- mitch mcconnell. And elaine chao the transportation of the former trent not yet soon to be former transportation secretary us our marriage other eight seven seven a lot better judgment three zero one. Eighty nine seventy. Don't by the notion that there will be enough oats in twelve days to remove him from office. But i have to say i think i come down on the side that it is important that there'd be some accountability for what he did the other day. The justice department is investigating whether to charge him as a result of what happened there and we also know a police officer capital. Police officer died as a result of This in the last twenty four hours But my view is congress has got to do something. Even if at the end of the day it doesn't get a what they perceive is the desired result. Which is the removal of donald trump. Eight seven seven. Three zero one eighty nine seventy. It is really when you hear you talking about this and you hear other representatives talking about this. The the word gas masks and everybody's hiding and not knowing what's going to happen this whole thing and then you hear about shots fired exactly. And when president trump told his followers that that pence wouldn't do his bidding. And then you hear these. These these chance of these rioters inside the capitol building. Say where's mike pence. Fine mike pence fine. My pets i mean. These people were serious as i said before they were plotting For weeks to come with their weapons. And even though you're not supposed to have those kind of weapons inside the capitol or washington dc. You can't do those kinds of things but They were planning and it looks to me i. I can't believe that that that law enforcement authorities didn't know this and that they didn't act as opposed to the tear gas and the dogs and everything else they brought out in in washington. Dc motor place for black lives matter protests and of course all across the country anyway. Eight seven seven three and one eighty nine. Seventy is the number be. Pr w. g. b. h. dot org. I'm jim i think that that is so horrific that the symbolism does matter. Even if they can't get anywhere. I certainly. Somebody's watching him every second. This is not going to go to the inaugural. And maybe he'll leave town before before the end of his brethren in a car. Your first on boston public. Hey brandon. what's up. Hey jim and marjorie. Thanks for taking my call. I hope you're a welter. That's best as anyone can. I think what's up with you. Well hey i just wanted to call and say well i think You know bef- before this week. I was of the opinion. This guy lost. Lets ignore them for the next. You know whatever how many days are now. Gration day When he's out of office with the criminal process whatever's going on in new york and you'd be elsewhere kind of play out had even entertain the thought kind of an argument. That was out there. That biden should think about pardoning him as much as i hate the guy Is it worth you know Kinda same decision gerald ford made. Is it worth going through. This country again But after this week and after the events of the other day i they absolutely need to remove him from office immediately however they can do it it sounds like the twenty fifth amendment is no longer an option based on what pence's set But they need to. They need to start impeachment proceedings immediately And whether or not he gets removed from office Will sort of remain to be seen but it needs to happen The process needs to happen. There needs to be accountability. And i think they need to put them up on charges of sedition inciting a riot and all the other incredible stuff he's responsible for of course this week and I just don't see how we can do that. And not have another president down the road. Do this again We need to send an example. You brandon you. Mentioned mike pence in the reports are that he is quote highly. Unlikely that hit initiate this twenty-fifth amendment removal with the cabinet I should say that while. Mike pence is getting praised which i think is completely inappropriate. First performance the other day on wednesday because he did century with the constitution requires. I didn't know that was the the cause for someone to be celebrated. Did you read the reports. Either brandon or marjorie. This morning that he was called by pelosi and schumer discuss about this and they were on hold for twenty five minutes and he never took the call the vice president. I'd state's got a call from the two top democrats in congress and would not shown the decency to have a conversation. Brendan thank you for your call and your thoughts as always we appreciate at eight seven seven three zero one eighty nine seven you know. My guess is joe biden may not like this. Because you know biden the indications are he hasn't won even though he says his own justice part will make their own decisions. Independently does want him. Prosecuted are the reports and that sort of thing because he wants unite country and actually impeaching trump may further divide the country but his brennan said and is a congresswoman presley. Said there's gotta be some accountability when you incite riots. That lead to the death of five people and by the way could have been far far far worse than The outcome was which was pretty damn horrible. Eight seven seven three zero one. Eight thousand nine hundred seventy. He's burned from hybrid. That right hi there. Thank you for my call to agree with the previous caller that The impeachment process should be started because other alternatives are. They are the reason is that This might have been just a freely. hurt and Well You know it's gonna take me flying in the concept of trump to lose so he might have been the last folks as Triggers something else in order to make it necessary to keep him in office all the Run conflict he might initiate and this is the biggest risk icy now and so to put up a signal and show. We are richland and we are not letting that happen. I think that's why it's important to initiate the impeachment process. I think you said well. I think thank you. I think you said it Well and you know. Some people may site as i call that hostage video. He did on twitter last night where he has. Major focus will be the transition peaceful transition. Of course he doesn't say the name. Joe biden or the joe biden one and while it condemned the violence again reading the teleprompter written by somebody else while it condemns the violence from that happened on capitol hill. He never once comes close to apologising to his role in the violence. Any case eight. Seven seven three zero one. Eighty nine seventy where we going next. The copy will back in brighton. Thank you very much for the call to marry in. Newport high murray. Hey mary hi hi. Good morning and first time caller longtime listener. And thanks for taking my call. You may Retired i'm a retired navy. Captain i've been in the navy for thirty years a couple of years ago and i wanna to let you know that as as officers we have to take an oath. We don't take an oath to the president. We take an oath to protect indefens- the constitution against enemies foreign and domestic. We also administer a a very similar oath to the enlisted personnel about again Protecting the chain of command and following the orders of the officers put in over them. The thing that has happened to me that is so distressing the president or whatever. He incited a riot. He had people and he's in behind this. He had people go up to the congress to go in and to disrupt what the constitution has put in place that the electoral votes would be accounted and would be affirmed by the congress he has he needs to be removed as a as a navy officer thirty years again. We have to again We the commander in chief is our commander but this is beyond the pale. He has to be removed. And i want to disagree with one thing. One caller said we believe that by removing the president holding him accountable and all the other people who have been behind him will unite the country by showing that democracy works by following the rule of law. This is just. I cannot believe what's happened also to the president needs to be brought up on murder charges. His inciting this ryan led to a capital police news death and four other people dying this. I hope that our congress will work quickly on this and that more and more people will call. I don't believe he'll resign the he's delusional he's he just is he psychotic. There's something wrong with this man and we need now to take action. Ianna presley Brave woman. I'm so happy had iran today but we need to take action. I've already contacted. Senator reed of rhode island congressman cellini. I i'm doing all that. I can as a citizen and also is a veteran but we have to act and act. Now thank by the way. Sicily i should say to you. I'm sure you know this. Murray is one of the leaders of this effort. A from rhode island. Thank you for a great first goal. We really appreciate it and we hope you'll choose the call us again soon. Eight seven seven three zero one. Eight hundred nine hundred seventy. I worry a lot about what he's going to do. Also i have no idea. I'm obviously they're going to be more pardons their strong reports that he's about to pardon himself as well and obviously that'll be challenged in court at some point. But there's no clarity even though most constitutional experts who've i've read say they don't believe he has the power to do it but it surely is unresolved but other than the pardons and i don't mean to minimize the significance of them. I don't know. I mean i would never predicted. He would have urged people to storm capitol hill either with his vice president in the dam building. I know now is to say to about the guy that he's show up at the inaugural how small e is how small he is human being gets back to the thing you say almost every day and you're so right that About his knee. Saying mary trump talking. About how just. He never lost an when he did lose. I shouldn't say that now that he never lost anytime he lost. He could lie litigating bully his way out of it. He can't do it here and he's obviously falling apart and The the notion that he would be enough of a a an adult and a patriot to continue this tradition. And be there to well. I guess you don't even shake hands but to do something when joe biden is sworn in says everything you need to know about trump. Know she's been not you had on your show and and she's great mary trump and she's a psychologist look about him. She knew him are that the cruelty he showed to his own family members including her father was just yeah. Major skin crawl but any case. She's she sees him now as a trapped rat she sees. She thinks he's got to be removed immediately because she who does know him better than the rest of us is really afraid of what he could do in the next few days. I like to think that other people are watching closely to make sure he doesn't go off the deep end but i have no idea just the watching closely of nothing. Yeah by the way before we go. Did you see the video. It's linked on drudge. Which of the riott party were trump and his kids and his daughters in law are dancing and trump is not but Guilfoil who's married to one of these one of the trump kids or the girlfriends morning jewel girlfriend. Whatever is dancing while the television cameras in this tent or whatever. They're in our broadcasting the rioting on capitol hill leave miss this rock and roll in the bank immediately. We're talking about what to do with. Donald trump with twelve days left to go before the inauguration. You listen to eighty nine seven. Gbh going to keep taking your calls on boston. Public radio welcome back to boston. Public radio jim brady and marjorie is. The whole massachusetts delegation has called for the removal of trump immediately with twelve days ago. As have i would the to democratic leaders on capitol hill and if the twenty fifth amendment is not invoked by vice president pence in the cabinet. Nancy pelosi has scheduled. I believe a impeachment vote for wednesday of next week. By which time. They're only be whatever it is seven days left. I think may be off by one on presley. Said she thinks the tide is turning. There may be republicans votes for this in the senate but if there aren't enough votes. Is it still the right thing to do to take the action in mary Who has been in the service for. I think said three decades says he thinks it actually will be a uniter rather than a divider of the american people sharon in waltham. Hi good morning caller. Thank you to. I am agreeing with the last two callers. They actually said what. I was thinking She needs to be held accountable. This is just a dry run for the next thing. He has claimed out if he gets away with what's next. What do you think the next thing is planned is or is it just something you fear whatever it is i know i have lots of beer. What he's capable of where he is. You know sharon. Thank you for your first colt to a lot of people feel as sharon does but one of the things we're gonna talk about near the end of the show margaritas wonderful piece in politico. About how obviously donald trump. I know this is a truism donald trump's primary method of communicating. Everything is social media right if his bands are not just temporary as they currently are but permanent because of his incitement behavior which if he was not a public figure probably would have led to permanent band will that completely eliminate donald trump's ability to be an influence or even as a former president. I think it's a pretty powerful argument. I worry about these other networks even though they're small but the Owens the What is it. Call one emerging one american network and and newsmax doreen reliable sources from cnn. This morning we're going to talk about this later in the show as quickly what they were. They raise is basically arguing that we had talked about facebook and twitter allowing all these false information and lies and these terrible that causes people to believe all these lies. He was saying well. Why don't we let orient off the hook. Why we let fox news off. No no not o a inter fox news wider the platforms on which they run the cable. Networks hope just like. We don't let facebook and twitter off the hook well. The cowboys expected debut off the hook for any other provider. And that's something that people should really. I think what we're going to talk show but think about because People believe this stuff. We get these emails all the time from people who think it wasn't wasn't trump supporters. It was antifa dole's yesterday we did decent people. I think who just happen to believe shirley it's gonna surely in jamaica plain shirley. Hi thanks for taking my call. Sure So yeah i mean. I think this is an emergency situation. It's not you know. I feel like people are wringing their hands and saying oh what do we do. We should do everything. We should start impeachment now. We should go to mike pence and say look. This man has a mental disorder or an emotional disturbance. I don't know we need to treat him. We need to take him away. This is an emergency. I feel like we're all like suffering from you know battered women's syndrome where our husbands have been meeting on believing that oh next time is going to be different. Next time is going to be different. He's gonna change. no no. He's not he's not going to change he. You know when he already said on his little twitter video. The police are with us. He said that you have to listen to what the man is saying. He's being honest with us in some respects. He saying those capital police are with us. We all say well. Why did this happen. Well maybe they really are with him. We don't know because he has a way of getting people on his side. He reaches in two other people who have some sort of emotional disturbance and they say yeah man you speak for us. Surely surely he got seventy four million. I agree with what you said. He got seventy four million votes. And that's not a. I know a lot of those for you. do you know assange non trivial. Seventy four million people are not suffering a from emotional disturbance. Some may i agree with you. In terms of trump himself but a lot of people have bought this hook line and sinker. Wouldn't listen. i know a lot of them. One of them is my husband. So i understand at a really personal level how he reaches in and grabs their attention His family members of my own family members who live in georgia and in florida. I understand he's got a broad based constituency and he's a master manipulator with his words the other thing we have to realize what was it wasn't it mike. Flynn said you know You should declare a state of emergency and takeover martial law martial arts martial law and you can order new elections as what lieutenant general. Flynn said. you're totally. You're totally right. And by the way that was. I interviewed william cohen the other night one of the ten defense secretaries who signed that letter saying don't let the military Get involved in any of trump's efforts. It was flynn's pronouncement on television and the meeting trump out with slim about a potentially declaring martial law and offering. I can't believe him even saying this an ordering new elections one of the motivators for this joint letter. Well as i said. We're going to talk about this later. But one of the reasons is seventy million people who are not deranged. Believe all this stuff is because there is a whole trump media all across america. It's on television. It's on the radio with rush limbaugh. it's on Stop the steel thing. That was all over the internet That was on facebook and twitter. And you know people put up these pictures. And they put up these doctored photos and videos and people buy it and much appeal to that constituency when he's no longer no longer has the power of the constituencies is going to continue because consensually makes a lotta money. Jim and i think certainly. That's what fox news motivation is about. They no this isn't true but the getting rich interesting though fox news is owned by rupert murdoch and the wall street journal is over at work. run by murdoch. I used to work for rupert murdoch. So i know the kind of things he wants people to do that are lies because it happened to me when reports memorize that the herald years ago when he was there and it's interesting though that he the dichotomy between fox and wall street journal journal the coaling from resigning larry of thirty seconds from fairhaven. I'm sorry but we're out of time. Shoot good morning. i just wanted to say that I don't think either of these two solutions going to work out on a practical level because of time. But i think it's extremely important that the doj investigate this and prosecute him As soon as the government changes while it's going to be the hands of merck orlands sort of one of the great ironies couldn't get a hearing to get him to the supreme court but he will make the decision as to whether or not they're federal prosecutor of course if trump has pardoned. That's a whole other issue. But larry thank you for your thoughts. We We appreciate them. Garland could adjudicate mitch. Mcconnell's parking tickets worried about that idea. Next senator mccaw. Emily rooney joins the for famous list of assertions and aggravations and more listened to eighty nine seven. Gmbh boston public radio on boston. Public radio every single member of the massachusetts delegation congress's falling for the twenty fifth amendment to be invoked and for trump to be removed from office congressman. Seth moulton new sheltered in place on wednesday called the riders domestic terrorists and traitors incited directly that trump's rhetoric join us to discuss what action legislators can take in the final days of the trump administration. Cap took a knee during the national anthem. Protests of police brutality. Why conservatives called kim on patriotic then turned around and tried to overturn the lecture. They didn't like the results of insurrections. Condone violence raise confederate flags. The capitol building on wednesday were the same ones who criticize mainly peaceful protest for racial justice earlier this year. Kelly crawford with join us to discuss the hypocrisy of white conservatives. That's ahead on boston. Public radio eighty nine seven p. h. You're listening to boston. Radio eighty nine seven. Gb h look engine. Hello again margarine. Joining us for famous list of fixations fulminations albeit briefly. Today which is very sad. Is emily rooney to the press. Which in catch friday nights right here on. Gbh to at seven. Hi there emily long. That's right so. Emily rooney. If marty walsh becomes the next secretary of labor. We're talking about possibly mayoral free-for-all here in boston like we had when tom nino left. Yeah it will be interesting but already. It's it's so different because when when when mayor menino left office it was you know so a lot of the usual suspects around already has such a diverse slate. I'm sure that a whole bunch more people are gonna get in but in a it's going to give up give a leg up to Janey i mean it's you know people don't know her and i'll get to know her things. It's amazing to me. Is i think that that that. mayor walsh could do one helluva job in this position and i think he really gets it and a. I think it's a fine choice. You wonder about. Marty walsh running this huge 'eurocracy as opposed to being pino quote presley dorchester. I was thinking we're all very. We can honestly say they were very fond of him but personally has such homeboy quality and he is no fence mardi but a cultural rube and you know going to washington and just instantly being part of the frankish on the social scene. Forget that i mean part of that as you put it like a huge bureaucracy. It will be interesting to see how he maneuvers said. Let me clarify the place park. I don't think he'll have a difficult time running that. I think you'll look good at it. It's like you can't say the same thing. But boy out of dorchester. And i think he's to miss it and just being thrown into that. I could be no at the job itself. I think it'll be fantastic. That's not my point. It's that whole washington thing. And i know we know you know these movies that have all these ridiculous boston accents. Oh my god want he's done and it's going to be great and we're going to hear a million things about. The mayor of boston listened to him. Talk and all that kind of thing but you know what. I'm also think mardi watches is recovering alcoholic many years and in person and in that movie about city hall that for the christman have yes when you hear him talk about recovery whether it's alcohol or drugs whatever he's so good i know he. He almost would have been good at something along. That line and one to a sidelight is kind of the The guy who really understands what it is to hit rock bottom and be down. Now when you say emily you know it would have been great if he had some response within that area he does funds have addiction issues. And i have to say. I have never met a public figure or encounter one who is open and honest the scene. I mean we all know him pretty well so we've heard them talk about it personally with us and others obviously with everybody that seen in city hall grace talking to those veterans was just so moving and so real and he's so he's he's he's the same no matter what topic he's he's dealing with. You know looking back at at the past six years and just thinking well wh- was there anything that the have any pitfalls on the only thing that even came close of course was that Alleged shakedowns the boston calling concert when his city hall people got charged basically with with extortion. And then then judge threw it out. But i mean he. He stayed clear that he didn't get involved in it. All i mean. I know i'm sure. He was emotionally racked about it because there were two of his people. But one last thing before we leave this. You know this report in the last twenty. Four hours joe biden and Very walsh close friends for a long time. I remember and we've discussed this with walsh's recently is maybe a month or two ago. I remembered you're in. Walsh was elected the first time and biden wrong marley. He called can call the other guy. Well whilst yeah i think he called another marty. Walsh i think was in dorchester and i guess you got the wrong contact. Ultimately he made it to the mayor elect at that point and But you know again because walsh that the the big guy that heavyset guy. Who was democrat. John jonah wasn't well it's inter- yeah john wall. Now is the chief of staff in washington the campaign ad market in any case. Since we have here is why. Emily is here. Comprehends is out of control. So common sense doesn't matter why not. This is the kind of thing that drives people crazy is. You're right it doesn't matter. I have absolutely no interest. So i i do you know for the last couple of we. My daughter did come visit up to kobe. Tests later so. We spent a lot of time before the tv set. And she's really good at maneuvering all this stuff. And i have to give partial credit for to paul evans for this list. Because she tweeted out a thing on twitter her she said movies. I have to stop and watch. I thought oh my gosh. That's exactly what my daughter. And i have been doing for two and a half weeks no matter what else you're doing you gotta stop so and then the other thing i saw was a little identity papers that the most watched movie over this whole cova crisis has been moonstruck and of course. I had to watch that so these movie. I watched it to like three months ago watching it. So these of course these movies are. They had to stop and watch no matter what else i was doing. You know ho- well home alone. Of course of course. I think i watched that one twice. It's a wonderful life. This is one of my all time favorite movies. It just can't get enough of it. S jiang robert redford. Robert shaw quinton jaws jaws to scrap forests to watch jaws which cassidy and the sundance kid. That speed. I can't get enough of that movie. I don't know why you know sh What's her name know. Who's no reeves in okay. Oh my god. Sandra bullock both now with the buses out of control. Oh yeah oh my gosh us. And it's just one speed seeing after another. It's great speed shawshank redemption. Watch that every day. That is one of the best ever and this one i. I've probably seen it forty seven times. The river wild streep and kevin bacon means my before you leave the shawshank. Redemption was that not written by stephen king. I'm ninety percent sure that it was founded on parker. And unlike what you expect from the is brilliant greatest thing ever all right. Let's get back river wild. Tell us about that. my gosh. it's it's meryl streep in david strong. And they're they're they don't. They're not getting along. They're married and they have this the two kids and they take she's going on this river trip and david then decides to go with the last time and then they run these guys. We've just robbed a bank or whatever they done and it's kevin bacon and two sidekicks and basically co-opt their raft and the kidnapped this whole family and then it's this wild tale after that it's it's great pool. Yeah i mean as little bit violent but it's it's wonderful watched all these during the break non head keep going. Shift the mohicans. Watch that love. That movie dances with wolves that oh my god. These field of dreams love it. Field of dreams. Johnson lost ark. Only one of those indiana jones ones. That i really like. He's someone louise that was to make ryan movie sleepless in seattle and got mail. Absolute tears seattle's the orgasm won the rob. Reiner says one. Okay all right so you wanted remits. Ellie remember that one. The no no witnesses with sam did the fish kid witnesses the murder. Oh yeah okay. That's darn all right. Well i kept revisiting. These the sound of music and the king and i my daughter loves the king yul. Brunner hold on you so hold on the the sixth sense. I don't know why that one. Mrs doubtfire because my mother loved that moves though i for you and of course as jared would now my all time favorite that i stop even if it's one with the commercials in it thirty dancing i didn't know that. Oh yeah i'm obsessed by the way. Let me just say you started with moonstruck. Invitation of vincent gardena coming home. After he's been out all night and olympia dukakis wife says where have you been. He says i don't know where i've been. I don't know where i'm going. I'll say no more and walks upstairs and seen at the kitchen table. She says have. I been on wife and he goes. I want you to stop seeing slams. The table gets okay. All right what are you doing tonight. I'm roundup of what happened on wednesday you know. Basically i'm saying that while the capitol police were not prepared. The media was certainly prepared for what happened to on wednesday but are they also became. You know a target of a lot of those people. So we're looking at that. We're gonna have you know the social media ban Of president trump. And whether this is really just the start of something and and whether maybe they were preempting themselves because there's going to be more regulation on social media under a new radio under new administration. And then adam riley is looking at this whole thing with how to how to report that other people are saying that the that the moms were instigated by. Antifa when you know it wasn't but you know people are saying it and do do you give oxygen to lies by reporting it. Or how do you go about that. We'll be watching was abbreviated. Is great traveling. Watch moonstruck this weekend. It's great it stands up and say okay up next to continue our conversation about this week's acts of domestic terrorism. And what happens to the president with conscience. Seth molten no. We're not actually are. We know we're not we're not we're going to talk about the line diaz. Yep okay my apologies. Third screw up for the day. Jim on doing well. You're entitled. we're talking about the philippines president duarte. Whether the men is the pen is mightier than the president. There is a new documentary. That's next on eighty nine seventy eight boston. Sorry about that. You guys welcome back to boston public radio. I'm jim brady more dragon. Philippines president rodrigo duterte as escalating attacks on the press the focus of ramona as a spectacular new documentary of thousand cuts in as tells the story through one of details. Prime targets journalist maria wrestle as an independent journalists res- been at the forefront of chronically deter taes brutal war on drugs on many of his people the consequences that she's paid include harassment arrests in a cyber libel conviction. That could send her to prison for years tonight. A thousand cuts will premiere on frontline. You can find it at pbs at eight o'clock and streaming ed pbs dot org slash frontline. The broadcast premiere includes a roundtable discussion with christiane amanpour. Berea rest a wrestler and ramona herself. Who joins us online. And i should say she is an emerson grad ramona. Congratulations the film that spectacular. Thanks for joining us. Thank you thanks for having me thank you. Yes that's right. We can thank emerson for your your being able to do this. Unbelievable work maria. It was great. Obviously the parallels to what's happening here to a lesser degree or significant. But i wanna talk for talking about maria rosa. I mean she was. People were threatening online to rape her be head. Her just gruesome stuff and she's this journalist The independent journalism that you profile but she seemed to show almost a supernatural calm in the face of all this terror tells more about this woman now it is incredible and you know we followed her immersive league right for close to two years. And you really can't keep that up if it's really not you if it's really if it's something you take on but she is like that and Just from observing her. I think what what happens is that she goes back to what she is really She's a journalist is a reporter so it's almost like even if things are happening to her she's take the observer view and Look at it from a journalist point of view which gives her clarity. She said she was able to do that. It's like stepping off and looking at it. Like almost like an outer body experience for her. And i think that's what gives her clarity of thought If you've seen the film the last seen actually lynn. She's convicted does a press. A press the right after the press conference right off and she's so clear on what she has to say and it's always like that the first time i observed i was watching him. Like what is going on huckabee to do that but And i think that's it she she goes back. It's her to go to being a journalist. It's really helped her very calm person right so i guess just calm. I want to add to what you to said. She's got a great sense of humor. Oh she under threat to your sister in that. Great scene was in tears so upset about her sister's fate and her future and she's facing. I think correct me if i'm wrong. Sixty years in this in this prison term. We're not fooling around here. Yeah well or right now. She's been convicted of cyber liable and that she was she's been sentenced to up to six years in prison. She's appealing that but she has nine other cases right says nine cases and eight others that have not been Resolved so cumulus. Pimm is one hundred years. Actually if she's found guilty and all of those of all of the suits against by the government we should say if i can just give a little background the name of the organization she runs. Journalism organization is rapper and not only is is wrestling incredible her young journalists all mike golic about courage and by the way. This is not just a trumpian figure. We'll get the trump and a minute this. You know it's one thing and i'm sure your appreciate this ramona when you read deter threatening to kill people involved in drugs it's bad when you hear his voice saying it as we do throughout your film and also sang without blinking an eye. He'll kill journalists if he has to. It is amazing that they're able to do their work again. The young journalists wrestler herself in the face of these constant threats not just to their freedom but to their lives. Now it is. It is incredible and some of them As you said like they're all very young some of them their first gig out of college right that the rapid a really Likes to nurture as murray assess I don't know if the film but she said it and Pass interviews. They re they really hired the best twentysomethings digital nate it because rapid live on line so they do understand the language of The digital age. There's so used to like to take out the going live when things are happening to them like you some peo- or not i would. She was like One of the. She's reporter for rapper. Who covers the president covers the malacanang palace. Which is the philippines White house she. She was banned from covering the president just one day. She was bad and she took out. Her phone went live on facebook. And the how the entire country news was bad. But it's this goto instinctual. And i really think those young reporters are maria. Great legacy right. She really really as train them to to She says hold the line. You're there you have to report and you have a you have to do your job. You know that's what you're there for is incredible. It is incredible. We're talking to ramona. Diaz the new front frontline documentary is the thousand cuts. Let's play a little bit of sound from the incredibly tense interview between the journalists. Were speaking about maria. Rattler and president do duty that shown in this film. Is it important that people be afraid of you. But mr president as president you now also defend the constitution and so again. This is a contradiction from our last interview. You break the law you threaten to break the law. You said you had killed your agora. You told me that and yet you now have the task of keeping the rule of law. And you said you would do that. Also how do you. Because the rule of law must be fear fear and he's got this cult like following to right he does Yes yes yes. He's approval rating is still and that is the difference between i. Guess we're gonna bring trump Detector has still in the eighty percent if you're to believe the polls or the surveys The latest is still very high in spite of his response to the pandemic which has been such a failure but he still does If you were to believe it right because survey site taken in the in the privacy of your home they knock on doors and if there is fear already. What are you going to tell people. You're you're against the president. Exactly yes so. Fear is not accounted for in those surveys. And i think that's key but yes If you believe them he still has. He's a populist right. I mean that's how he came on the scene he he really. He really plugged into the discontent of the people and and they're valid. The the gap between the rich and the poor in the philippines is humongous. It's it's a chasm you know the people. It's it's amazing. So he basically what like a populist he he said i we have common enemies and those common enemies are the elite and the media and i will revenge. Whatever you're going through. I'm not only gonna make your life better. But i'm going to go after them because they have put you in this situation and that it's like it's just It's like street justice right so people really thought that was so refreshing and and different from other politicians and a lot of people signed on a and i still signing. They understand that language they understand. Yes i want revenge. I don't want my life to change. I also want them to suffer. Because i'm suffering and sounds familiar. You know. I don't know if trump was an inspiration for the film or just as a viewer. Almost every scene you think one thinks of donald trump as you know from the social media. Disinformation campaigns the use. The term like fake media his coarse language he also talks about his genitalia just like donald trump has from from time to time and the reason it really strikes particularly now and i know you know this remote but most of our listeners. Obviously haven't seen the film yet. Let me just play this sound bite again. Here's maria raza. Speaking a before an audience about the sickness of her democracy in its obviously what gave the film. It's name thousand cuts here. She is what we're seeing is death by a thousand cuts of our democracy and it is done then. Think about the bleeding right. Little cuts little cuts to the bibey politics to the body of philippine democracy. And when you have enough of these you are so weakened that you will die. We wrap ler. I've said this it's been a year now. Since i've said this we will not duck. We will not hide. we will hold the line. You're somebody who spent a couple of years you say with her and obviously in the philippines Other than the murderers trump is duterte. They do turkey is trump. Is that not a fair statement. Yes yes yes no i. It's supposed to very similar as you've seen the film but also the difference i think is Do there has been a politician. All his life right. He was of dabale for for a very long time so he understands politics. He understands policy. Which makes it even a little bit more dangerous. And he's a lawyer too so he can really talk circles around you So i think that's the big difference. But they are both. They do both use this populist language and that makes them very similar and the facts are similar. Ramona d. as i i didn't realize i saw the film that that Maria spent much of her young life actually in jersey jersey. Where i've been quite a few times. Because i'm from philadelphia not far away. She asks herself in the film. The question that i was wondering if you would address and you did. Why did she go back to the philippines when she knew how much risk there was great scene where she gets off the plane and the second. She's off plane. All the cops are grabner and she's smiling. And i mean she is. Why did go back to the philippines. What's her answer you know. That's that's a chef to go back because she half to for her. She has to her name right. She's been known all these issues. She spent years building a reputation as a good journalist. Sunday in the philippines. She is a convicted cyber liveliest. Or you know she she. She's she's being convicted them. All these so-called crimes that you feel she cleo name she also feels like One day you know she has to It's a it's it's bearing witness door. She has to bear witness against. She's a journalist. I think it's what keeps you going back. I mean right now. She's their travel ban mellon nervousness get lead. But i think it is her sense of justice that keeps circling back. She's gonna fan and she's She's gonna prove her innocence. And that's very very important. Will you tell her story beautifully. And she is really one hell of an inspiration. I should say to all of us. I mean she is just amazing. Congratulations on the film. And thanks so much for spending time with us really appreciate it. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it thank you. Thank you ramona The voice of filmmaker reminded diaz thousand cuts premiers on frontline. Tonight at eight o'clock on pbs. Excuse me if you wanna see how bad things can get and this is. This is a real trainer in that is streaming also pbs dot org slash frontline and the browns the broadcast also flits roundtable discussion with christiane amanpour rearrested and filmmaker rewarded diaz. She can see that as well. Thanks for joining us. Fool mike in boston public radio. I'm umbrella she's margarita. And a minute or two. We're going to be joined by congressman. Seth mall before we are just want to say one more thing about the film. The timing is unbelievable. And i know i brought it up but i assume you had the same reaction. There are shades of donald trump again without the death threats in the actual murders which Which duty prides himself on. It was almost a movie about donald trump. Didn't you think or did you. Yeah and it was also a movie about how social media distorts people's views of reality and And obviously that's happening here in spades so it was. It was the same sort of situation. I think it's also we praise. I think appropriately journalist people in our business who do the right thing and ask tough questions of people in power. You compare the that in this setting with what this woman has gotta live with every and her young staff gotta live with everyday whereas i said to thirteen literally sang on the record without any hesitation. He'll kill to a journalist face. I'll kill you if it turns out that it is that it's appropriate in my justification so in my mind so you should really watch this thing tonight. A thousand cuts on pbs. It's terrific documentary and the timing is terrific. You wanna say something. You're looking at me for waiting for the guys. We're waiting for the congressman. There was another story. You mentioned early this morning. That i thought perhaps you might wanna mention go right ahead curt schilling curt schilling right. The red sox who's a waiting yet another hall of fame vote. He tweeted this morning. A curt schilling has been known to occasionally do a controversial thing or two. He tweeted right. After the trump mob had Been pushed back out of the capitol. This is what kirch tweeted you. Coward sat on your hands did nothing while liberal trash looted rioted and burned for air jordans and big screens. Sit back shut up and watch folks start confrontation for of deleted that matters meaning like the rioters like rights democracy and the end of government corruption. We'll talk to callie. Crossley about that in a couple of minutes curt schilling speaking up on what happened on wednesday. Speaking of wednesday. On wednesday congressman. Seth moulton along with other members of congress were rushed to the capitol complex. Avoid the mob of trump rioters running rampant through the halls of the capitol. In pc road for cnn The congressman rights. I expected violent assault on democracy as us marine in iraq. I never imagined it as a us. Congressman in america congressman molten joins us salon club about what he's describing as acts of domestic terrorism and why he's among members of congress demanding that president trump be removed from office immediately comes molten represents the state sixth. Congressional district congressman. It's good to talk to you as always did talk with you. What congressman we talked to congresswoman ileana. Press the earlier today. And so i'll start with you with what i asked her Is it worth it at this point one. That seems like there's very little time to pursue the impeachment of of the president The twentieth amendment seems unlikely. I mean is it worth. It is always worth it to do the right thing. It's never too late to uphold the law and the reason it's especially important here is because the world is watching future. Generations of americans are watching what we will do. Today and future presidents will look at this precedent and know that no matter what happens no matter what time it is. Everyone has to follow the law. I mean if you announced marjorie that you were a retiring or leaving job at a gbh and and stole a few computers on the way out the door. I don't think people would say oh. Don't worry you know marjorie anyway. We'll we'll let run off with the loot you know. It'd be held accountable and the president needs to be held accountable to carson molten. You have traveled the world. One of the things up though a lot about. And i'm guessing you have to is. We in most of our history have been country that serves as a model of democracy for the rest of the world and have been at appropriate times. Maybe not the last four years is skuld of those who subvert democracy oppress their people on and on like that when a congressman or a leader. Like you a accuses. Another leader in another country of doing things like that that are and Subversions of good government and that oppressor turns to you and says i'd worry about your own house before you worry about mine. What do you say to them. What does anybody say to him or her. After these last number of years and particularly after this last week in this happened less than a year ago when i was in cambodia and cambodia's a country that is strategically important to us. It's a country that china and the united states are are essentially fighting to get on our side and they have some serious issues with human rights. I was trying to walk the fine line of encouraging them to be our ally while also being critical of some of their internal politics right now and when high ministers in cambodia looked at me and said you know. How can you criticize us when you have a president doing this or present doing that. There's honestly not much to say. It's incredibly embarrassing. But more importantly completely undermines our credibility as the supposedly of the free world. And i can't tell you. How many messages tax. I've received from people all over the globe in the last twenty four to thirty six hours talking about this and saying how everyone is watching the united states right now. everyone is watching how we handle. This vicious affront to democracy right here at home. They're watching and that's why it's so important that we do the right thing. Well even if you do the right thing unless they have a piff unease one hundred and forty seven your house republican colleagues and i can never remember six or seven of your senate republican Colleagues even after the insurrection. Were willing to try to overturn the results of the election. So you do the right thing. And the other leaders of the other principal party in america Do the wrong thing so well let me tell you. They're having a piff unease. They're having a tiffany. You believe that i heard. Oh absolutely. that's not the problem. The problem is what they need. It is not an epiphany. They need to find some courage what they need to grow some courage. They need to find some courage to do the right thing because they know the right thing to hear. Some of them have told to me in private. I had a colleague who happens to be a fellow veteran from the other side of the aisle. One of the people who very embarrassingly was voting against certification of the electoral college. Absolutely doing the wrong thing in the congress this the in the past couple of days one of the people essentially inciting by the way i apologize. It my my. My daughter just walked in from preschool. So there's a little bit of a ruckus in the background. Then that's the reason. Tell he's a good excuse. Right look one of the people who was inside the capitol inciting by his actions. What was going on outside. And what eventually spilled in through the windows and yet even he said this has gone too far. This man needs to be relieved of command. Think he used the term relieved of command. Not just because he's a fellow veteran but because of the single most important job of donald trump right now which is commander in chief commander in chief. The the the number one responsibility is to keep us safe and not only did he fail to keep us safe. Our government save our people. Say the american people say he actually incited violence against us. He incited violence against our government. What republicans are realizing this. But the question is whether they'll have the courage to say it in person and in you and this goes back to something i said before which is that a lot of people especially not smart place like boston where everyone's always thinking right. They come up to me and they say what's going on with congress. Come on man. How come congress associates now can not believe in climate change or or today. How can how can these members of congress not believe statistics basic election results basic math. And i've always said you know. I've actually been impressed by how smart many of my colleagues are what's lacking in congress isn't intelligence it's carnage. It's just the courage to speak the truth. It's just the courage to do the right thing and then go back home to your constituents who may disagree with you and be willing to stand up in a town mall in explain to them. Why it's right. We're talking with seth and congressman. What was your experience on wednesday. Where were you when this all took place so like the majority of members of the house. I was in my office. Getting ready to vote. Because what they asked was that only members of of the state's representatives of the state in question beyond the floor but as they were going through this debate about arizona. I was ready to just walk across the street. to my office is the the front door of my building. Is you know a hundred and fifty yards from from the capital just across the street and of course. We saw these a rioters coming up. The stream heard about side the window Were getting alerts about what was going on. We got the The order the two buildings right next to mine. were evacuated later lord because Pipebombs found between them and We saw the The the reports of of of of folks trying to break into the these this mob trying to break into the capital and and you know to make a long story short. We just sat there. I looked outside. I walked down the hallway and and looked at the scene. And i realized while there is not a single capital police officer anywhere in sight so obviously the mov is focused on the capital right now but if they turn around and go fifty feet in the other direction they can walk right in this office building. What right down. All of my office to hundreds of other offices and basically have free rein have totally free rein so a few minutes later when there is this heavy heavy wrapping at the door I didn't know who was whether it was A rioter or or the lease they shouted the lease. And what do you do in that situation. Well i don. I just opened the door and and sure enough. It was the capital police driving around everybody up and get us down to a secure location where they put hundreds of members of the house together in a room To protect us because they obviously did not have coverage to properly protect us in our offices. Kind of speak about that room for second. I didn't realize that's where you ended up. I'm sure you know susan wilde who's a congresswoman colleague of yours from pennsylvania. I i heard our interview the other night on. Cbs and she was talking. Excuse me about being in that room. Which she said concerned her. She wouldn't say where it was for obvious reasons. She said it concerned her because there was so much she said a couple of hundred members of congress and very small space and that was troubling to me. What was much more troubling to me. She said a large number of republicans particularly freshman republican members of congress. We're not wearing masks. The isn't there a mandate isn't there a requirement that members of congress were a mask building and there wasn't a large number it was probably a dozen and a half that's to me as well sorry not a large percentage of the large number of large percentage Most republicans were wearing masks but But it was the usual suspects. You know these These trump acolytes including several of the freshman who had just been elected like this. She went on believer from georgia. Name and And yeah they're all in the corner along with several. Your denies that the tea party folks like jeb. Jim jordan essentially organizing this insurrection. Inside the house so you get the metal frame the other day. Jim jordan mr insurrection. Didn't they get all. The nations is honor with devon nunez. I think the other day. But i'm sorry congressman. I wanna be in a moment if my life depended on kyw move onto something else here for a second data where really quick so. Cy washed several very polite. Colleagues of mine walked up to these republicans and said. Please put your masks on. And then there were some who actually got masks themselves and and an extra mass from somewhere came over and offered them to them. Put on these mass saying do anything so then i just decided no. I'm just going to walk over and take on my phone. I did and started taking pictures of standing there without their madness. They flipped out this woman. Mary miller i think it was from this trump bite from illinois she comes in and jumps right in my face and starts screaming of course mask off and says you know who the hell you think you are. Only one percent of covid people die people die of covert only one percent. I mean i guess she feels it. One percent of america. Three million people die. That's totally fine. But in any way jeeze g screaming at me and a republican is a friend of mine comes over and tries to stop it. This is seth he's a friend of mine and everything else. Please don't take pictures of us. What what's the problem. What are you scared up for what it's worth. I looked back a few minutes later and most of them are wearing masks. I guess it works. Doesn't it not having courage to to make a political point you take out a camera. And they don't even have the courage to continue making their stupid point. Sorry when you talk about the the the the the courage or lack there of of some of your republican colleagues isn't that they are afraid of tump base that we talk about endlessly or is it that they believe this stuff too because they're watching fox news are there. They're seeing stuff in their facebook. Pages mean a few of them that are believers. There are a few that are believers. I mean you know. I mean it. It devon newness. I don't know i don't know what he believes. I feel like he's got children's go to keep him busy night but he. I think i believe this crap. You know yeah but most of them know better most of them know better and so yeah look if everyone actually voted their conscience. You know you'd probably have about. I don't know a least four hundred votes to impeach in the house. And then maybe there's thirty five who actually believe what the president's pedaling but most note to is know what what the right thing they know the facts. I mean what they'll say. The the thought will want to will actually admit it as look set on my whole i've got ninety six percent trump approval rating in my district. You know the most thoughtful argument i will give to them is that they sometimes say look. If i don't do this. I get beaten in a primary by someone who's even more extreme even more dangerous and i mean there's some truth to that that can happen but what they need to do is say no no. No i'm gonna. I'm gonna change behinds. Yeah that's why we have a representative democracy not just a straight democracy where every single person gets built like i'm gonna go back is their representative until and and and you know what i've had to do that. A lot of massachusetts a lot of times in massachusetts a lot of unpopular votes. That i've taken. I have to go back and explain them. I mean i remember standing before a packed congregational at a temple in in marblehead when i was supporting the iran nuclear do and an awful lot of people especially in the jewish community were opposed to it and i stood there for an hour and a half and explained by position answered question after question and i know for a fact because many people have told me subsequently that changed a lot of nights but i also know that there are people there who's mind i didn't change but they at least respected for having the conversation and that's what we need to do that. We need representatives. Like that in the congress. By the way i don. I don't usually advice the congresspeople. But if you didn't change their mind just walk over and take their picture will take care of whatever. Hey congressman molten one last thing to bring up with you. I've been searching around last week or so. I started reading criticism of joe. Biden selection of Denis mcdonough is the new head of the veterans administration. I thought a you and i searched around because i was surprised that i didn't see a comment from you. A number of veterans leaders are not happy about his lack of relevant experience. And why shouldn't even say what their reasons are. How do you feel about the the appointment. By a president elect broaden. I'll be completely honest with you jim. I'm conflicted because i know mcdonagh. I do think he's very smart and very competent. I think he has a lot of the skills that are required to help. Turn around the va. But the flip side of it is that you know. You're being asked to be the leader of a very specific community of americans that you need to speak to. You need to relate to. And i do think that fundamental it would be better to help veteran and that job and we know that veterans actually do very well and business. I mean there are a lot of fortune. Five hundred. ceo's who are veterans. It doesn't seem likely would be that hard to find someone who has all of dennis mcdonagh's qualifications but also has an ability through his or her experience to actually speak to this community in a real meaningful way Scott Seth moulton is a pleasure to talk to you as always. We're running back and your colleagues. I know who you are. I know we really appreciate your time congressman and stay safe and stay in touch jim and marvi. It's always a pleasure. Thank you happy. New carterton conscious muslim represents the state's six sixth congressional district up next how social media made the trump revolt a reality tech writer. Andy not go joins us for that more and eighty nine seven. Gbh boston public radio. Welcome back to boston. Public radio jim brady madrid and before we move onto this next segment. I want to say. One of our colleagues monitoring governor beggars press conference in for those concerned about schools This season of the governor says his administration will make weekly covid nineteen pool testing available to all schools within the next month and his quotas. This new resource will give districts the ability to bring more kids back to the classroom and it is masslive. Science center is behind The effort the commissioner of education says weekly testing will be an additional rapid test currently provided for schools and they're in the process of finalizing a contract with a testing service so while members of congress are trying to use constitutional means. Keep trump from doing more harm to the nation. The tech giant's might have found a better way to do that. Banning the president at least temporarily from social media join us the over the latest headlines at the intersection of tech and trump is. Andy nocco myself. It's pretty pathetic. He's a tech writer and blogger. You can find his work at a nocco dot com and you can follow into it. I h nato. Andy not go good to talk to you as always thank you not the first time. The word pathetic has been used in one direction. No no now and not go funny guy. Yeah so exactly exactly what we do have good story here the end that we'll get to later on anyway. T tell us about what exactly is going on with the social media bands. Who's doing what to whom here. It really does seem to be finally long last dog pile. On all trump's social media accounts twitter inflicted a twelve hour ban that just was lifted last night Per predicated on that the. Hey you're all good people. We love you Video that he sent to the insurrectionists. Facebook has banned from the from this platform and from from instagram Indefinitely but at least until the inauguration he's had his platform on youtube Suspended with views taken down twitch. It's been taken down sherifi. His official account He can't process things by a pay pal snapshot taking them off so a lot of stuff is coming down At the same time he just got his access to twitter restored last night around seven pm and he immediately Posted a what was what is being interpreted the first first hand like semi concession speech but even so he seemed to be very very much aware that if he loses the twitter platform permanently. Which could happen. Remember that he's only skating by Despite his violations of of content practices because twitter has basically given him a public interest policy. Pass that out. That all expires as soon as he stops. Being president is he's if you d platform from twitter. He loses access to eighty seven point million followers on twitter. Any probably not going to get that kind of attention on on alternate platforms like parlor But anyway so but he was also put back at it this morning. tweeting about how yes are seventy or seventy five million great american perry patriots. Who voted for me america. First and make great. America mcmurray and blah blah. Giant voice is the future so we don't. I don't anticipate that he's going to be on that platform much longer. Because you just can't keep us. Yep shot In in keeping keeping up with in terms of user politics. They're talk michelle obama's amongst those who saying permanent ban is appropriate when we get to that mimics have mixed feelings as a free speech kind of guy and i like to think that i am to staying within the i know the public a leader exception. I know it's not called that but whatever it is that allows in the interests of public dialogue or something for public leaders to go beyond what mere mortals could do. Is there any contemplation of cia. I don't mean eliminating that exception for like a better expression but changing the rules of that exception so there's a little less latitude around violence and incitement than they're currently is or is it all just going to be in a case by case basis twitter certainly hasn't made any statements toward that effect. However i think it's almost certain that every single major platform twitter included is gonna have to start reevaluating its policies many of which were instituted for very very good reasons. I do agree with their public interest policy. That's sorta i Formerly what they say because if the if the president is saying things that are bad spit with p. Insane the world needs to know. That here is vocal state to the president however When we see that this is what happens when someone with that. Much power and that much of crazed devoted following Has that the big big of a microphone. We have to re contemplate the effects of of these platforms in general. You know one last thing on this before. We moved to the permanent things margaret torture listeners. About later we were inspired by a piece of oliver darcy. Wrote on the cnn. Reliable sources overnight newsletter. Is he talked about how there is beginning to be a discussion about how the the the topic of social media platforms for hate speech or incitement of violence is too narrow a discussion that it's not just facebook and twitter and these other social media platforms. It's cable networks. That provide a vehicles for the breitbart and the one american networks and those sort of things. Is there any discussion about any policing in terms of miss and disinformation on in those places or is this just fantasy talk from some media critics for now not really because tampering with the tampering with free speeches of real third rail sort of thing and and for furthermore. I think it's being discussed enough that The place the ability of people to save whatever the heck they want on the on social media No matter how danger even even when it's something that's dangerous stuff that we've been seeing. That isn't the real problem of because remember that five hundred million tweets are being posted per day. Five hundred hours of youtube. Videos are being uploaded every minute. It is an impossible task to prevent that stuff from hitting the dating the medium. The real problem is the algorithms the the the problems that twitter and youtube have created. Is that the algorithms that are created to to expand the audience of this content. It's they're all working exactly as they were originally intended. They identify content. That's rapidly accelerating throat a specific community then it increases the acceleration through that community and tries to extend its reach beyond that community. And as i said before this are these are things that when you are just a few engineers in a conference room discussing good ideas for how to create a great service. This makes perfect sense. But now that we've seen how dangerous this hour over can be and spreading sort of cancer. It's going to be very very important to increasingly fine tune. Those algorithms to make sure that there are roadblocks that their speed bumps that as soon as we identified that something is that is getting an unholy amount of traction among certain identifiable individuals. It is time to say. Guess what you're now compartmentalize. You don't necessarily violate user content but we are now car compartmentalizing. We're going to cauterize the spread of this particular post so that it still available but is no longer there to influence people. That are fairly uninfluenced by the this sort of militias content yet was a cliche. But you can't yell fire in a crowded theatre This is kind of analysis to me in some in some ways. When you have people writing this week that there would have been no crazed mob at the attacking people resulting in deaths and destruction etc without fox news without rush limbaugh without these twitter obviously and facebook and without these these these steal the worst called steal the stop the steel websites that were all over the place. So you're not suggesting that the if they're not saying and bring your weapons and storm the capital if they simply say. The election was stolen. Let's gather in washington protests. You you. They should be able to do that. I guess i'm asking is is we have a first amendment. We obviously have free speech but there are certain limits. And i guess that is the question you know are limits up to twenty twenty when you consider that they were set long before what's happening now is even imagined. Yeah it's my opinion. It's a choice just as just as we made a choice collectively hundreds of years ago that nope people are in in our legal system. People innocent until proven guilty. We could have gone the other way. We've we would've had other consequences to that. We're both bad and good. But that's the choice that we made I do believe that we. It's such a dangerous thing to say they. Once you step up to a podium microphone we have to control what you say before you say it. I think it's more important to simply say that. Guess what rudy giuliani. I don't care how great it made. You feel to say really really like bomb throwing things in front of a huge crowd but now that we see the effect that you had on that crowd you are want to criminal prosecution. Even even trump. I think is should not be considered to be liable for criminal probe investigation into whether he is liable for prosecution. This is the thing that i'm personally more comfortable with. You're responsible for the things that you say. Because the a a again i am at on on a fundamental basis. I'm just a dude. Right now in front of a microphone in front of an audience. And i i have. I have a responsibility to make. Sure i'm not saying things that are really really dumb And get to pay the consequences. If i say things that are really really dumb. Pretty much more difficult to simply saying here. Are the things you were allowed to talk about and allowed. I don't. I don't see a workable solution to that. Know that's a very like freshman college understanding of how the world works. I understand that they have. That can be very naive at times. But that's what i'm comfortable with a belabor this but i have one more question about a trump other than the the inciting people to violence the other day if trump or a private citizen and he had tweeted the same things that he has tweeted for four years as a private citizen again other than what happened in the last couple of days it based on the rules that currently exists would have been banned from most social media platforms. He would've been banned years ago from social media platforms. He is given a special exception here and this is by what twitter is doing is actually kind of okay. They not being arbitrary. They're saying here are rules have laid down here with the rules that you have violated. So here's why we are platform you talking to india nocco. So what's michelle obama up to in this regard andy nocco. She made a wonderful social media post on twitter and other places. That of those really wonderful things where you could not it had to be screenshots of paragraphs of text. Because she is. She was making an eloquent full featured statement as opposed to just tweet whips and had missed. emits talking about of one of the most important things we must discuss when it comes to the effects of events on wednesday the disparity between how law enforcement reacted to white people storming congress versus non white people who peacefully protesting. Black lives matter. She also openly called for The need for a social media to be to be more To be more responsible and to actually calling for out permanently banning trump and people who are actively supporting him Which is again something. That i completely agree with. But when you have a it's important the voices that are as respected as hers too not just simply tender foot around. Oh well we must reconsider our policies. We must give thought to what to do. Really this is so important to simply say that what you actually mean. Which is this person has to go from. All platforms response irresponsible reckless and proven to be a dangerous entity so he has to go as soon as we move as soon as he's his buddies out the door I'm sure that he's gonna shoot his mouth off and just simply be deployed for even if twitter doesn't simply unilaterally do what facebook decided to do Just remove them without any further ado. We're going to talk to listeners. About the d platforming thing by the way just to give you a heads up out there a little bit later in the show. You many stories have Despite the georgia victories practically were unreported. Because of what's gone on the last few days something that's totally going to the back. Burner is the recent russian hack of Obviously governor networks private sector networks. We're are we on that and in nocco we are in the. It's you know the hurricane has has hit and we are just taking. We're going through all the wreckage and the list. Just doesn't simply end the i. It's hard to underestimate exactly how bad this hack which has been demonstrated be russian origin. has been there was a piece of software created by a company called solar winds that tens of thousands of corporate and government. Networks rely on just to keep the network running efficiently and these hackers managed to put an insert malware into updates for the software that went to thousand users everywhere. This was undetected by cyber command and the national security agency. The only it was only detected by private company called fire. i fire i on december thirteen And so it's hard to know exactly. What the damage is. Just today. i was The administrative office of the us court system The course system that maintains a chronic case file systems has announced that there's been an apparent compromise the confidentiality of that electron case file systems related to this hack which means that field dot court that have been sealed might have been accessed and offloaded by these hackers. It's part of the. I hate to use my scary voice here but in addition to the scope of the hack the other problem is. We don't know exactly what these hackers did once. They were gaining access. Did they simply insert militias called into those servers to add backdoors so they can come back later. Were they collecting as much data as code from these look at what locked up servers or one of the worst case scenarios. Did they do things. Like hey did were they. Targeting for instance something like the court system and saying let's make sure that we download as much of the sensitive sealed case data as we possibly can before our intrusion has been detected and we were shut out. This is the we haven't found the bottom of this yet and it could be very very much worse than we even know right now. We're talking to india. Not go our tech guy so india nocco your memo to us and not depressing news. Tell us about this. Mac app and typing. This is a great story. Well i mean those ferrying updating my facebook while i was there at the first sign of twenty twenty or somebody is typing as though they are angry at their keyboard. I'm also i. Because i'm a writer like i have this really loud noisy really comfortable to use keyboard. So there's somebody doing. God's work clearly doing god's work i tell you wrote this application for the mac called unclogged. I downloaded it unpack. Ask what does it monitors your microphone. And whatever it. Here's the found of typing. It automatically mute your microphone so that that does not go out into the chat so it be clear by the way if you're talking while you're typing and i know a woman who may be in this discussion right now. Who does that the good news is you want here. The typing the bad news is you won't hear the speaking either correct. we can't. We can't be that sophisticated yet but hopefully it will teach somebody to maybe switch do like this. What i do is i actually have right now. Two keyboard cooked up. My computer one is is really silent like notebook style keyboard so that when i do need to like do a quick search for something while i'm talking you don't hear it so maybe that will like more rules of common positive social conduct upon the people if you if you can't if you can't make your feelings known while you're typing perhaps you should stop typing before you make your feelings. I love this thing anyway. it's called unclassy. is that what it is again unclog. Unc la on klac dot. Up one lifestyle. What's up that's me. There's also you it is a dry type type. Mind on my god all of my mind. I think i'm innocent. I type unclog for your birthday. let me tell you. I'm buying it for this weekend. Not this now for your birthday before you go. I never know if i should care about these kinds of things you're Opinion is the joe. Biden is picked a real good person. Whatever that means to be the white house director of technology. Why should i care well. Because it means that they're they're feeling really key positions in technology with people who are eminently qualified for the job and have a lot of experience in The white house director information technology. It should be noted. It's not it's not directly a policy A policy position doesn't it's not with the office of science and technology policy for instance but This this person's name debit record trim. Who has an again just impeccable credentials. He was also the first white house director of information technology when the post was established under obama. Twenty live dean. He's responsible for making sure that the networks and the operations of technology within the white house start secure and also little bit Within government is also his influence. And he if he's saying here is how technology should be in the white house that has influenced both in the private sector and in the government sector. And he this is. This is one of the guys who created the system that we use to authenticate people on websites and he's also built the infrastructure. Now i'm going to say a nasty word here. But by obama trigger anybody when he was earlier in his career when when he was working at facebook he helped put together the infrastructure of servers. Basically be able to create a huge networks at scale so he's a very very competent person in this role and i hope that this reflects when they do name People for the office of science technology Which is by the way which was gutted and ignored these. These are the adviser that actually say when there's a pandemic here is the science that you need to make your decisions on when there is like a hack. That's a that is a that is affecting hundreds of government servers. Here is the science and technology that is based on what we should do after this. This this this Agency has been pretty much gutted by trump and ignored In the favor of just people inside the white house inner circle so this is an area that i'm definitely paying a lot of attention to an ask. The obama transition team keeps naming people that are again eminently qualified for this job and had plenty of experience. That makes me feel very very good about finds technology for the upcoming years. That's great news the only Correction i'd make. The bad news is not the obama administration biden administration. But hey thanks was happy. It makes me happy to and sometimes the sequel isn't quite as good as the original talking happy new year. Thanks to you too. Merry christmas for the supposed to. That's right and in joins us tech writer and blogger. You can find his works at his work at a knock go dot com and follow him at the not. Go that is i h as amancio. A t k o coming up law enforcement in black and white callie. Crossley joins us to talk about the role race played in this week's revolt if the capital. You're listening to every nine seven. Gbh boston radio Welcome back to boston. Public radio gibraltar. She is mar dragan joining us as she does. Every friday is the host of under the radar with callie crossley. And that of course would be callie. Crossley hello there and happy. New year kelly. We haven't talked since. I don't think so. Happy new year. Jim in marjorie. Great great to talk to you as always callie crossley. So let's start with doc rivers what's going on with doc rivers. Well you know He is just become somebody who just really shows his emotions and speaks from the heart. I'm not saying he didn't do it before. But i'm not a sports person so i know who he is but i'm not following everything that he says but after what happened in the capital He made a statement Was ahead of wednesday's game against the washington wizards. He's a head coach by the way of philadelphia. Seventy sixers and you just head coach of the cell right exactly. Which is another reason why i was sort of paid attention to this. And he said you know imagine today of those were all black people storming the capital and what would have happened so that to me is a picture. That's worth a thousand words for all of us to see and probably something for us to reckon with a gain. No police dogs turned on people. Know billy clubs hitting people people peacefully being escorted out of the capital. So it shows that you can disperse a crowd peacefully. I guess that would be one thing. Many goes on talk about how sad day it is for our country And for people looking at us from around the world and you know how hurtful is to see that there is a as we've been talking about A double standard in how some people are treated and i thought it was just you know. He's another heartfelt statement. We not only another hartfield. Say first of all. I'm a huge fan of him as a as a citizen. Not just as a talented basketball coach. But we've talked to trending because there a lot about this. Kelly but particularly since end before but particularly since the murder of george floyd and as the months of going forward a lot of pro athletes have had a profound effect on the national dialogue around issues of race and justice. In those sort of things and You know i'm not one of those. What charles barkley saying that famous commercial ain't no role model or whatever ordinarily. I think the jocks are not but Particularly young people pay a lot of attention. To what the doc rivers is in the lebrons of the world have to say and so i think the contribution of people like rivers and some of these players huge in this debate do you. Oh absolutely and again. I'm recalling that. During that period of george floyd and others you know he he made another emotional statement and he wa- i don't think he started off trying to be emotionally. Just trying to comment broke down yes. I rueda's broke down and said when is this going to stop. i mean it was. It was Me you saw his heart You saw the pain and He channeled a lot of what many other people were feeling again. Because of what you said. Because he's no with a team. People follow sports and perhaps people who might not have heard his message in other arenas would here it now because he said it just it was really powerful. Agree really powerful Okay move onto another figure from this gathering gathering what am i. Call it a gathering for this riot and capital on wednesday ashley. Bob tells about her so actually babbitt People are now probably hearing statistics at last count there. Five people dead. The last person was a capital police officer but the first person was a woman who was shot As she was trying to break in through the doors of the capitol. I understand that was where the circumstances i don't know that that's been completely Definitively stated those were the circumstances. But that's one one of the ways. I heard it anyway. Her name was ashley bad. But she was there Gathering with all of the people in the mob it turns out now that she is a cunanan person. You know we've been talking about that. Conspiracy theory groups. She thought this was a revolution. And she was a revolutionary. Now this all comes from her social media that the fbi and other law enforcement officials have gone back to look at you know since her death So that she wrote on her facebook. I guess nothing will stop us They can try and try but the storm is here. And it is descending upon dc less than twenty four hours dark to light. Well obviously something stopped her and it's horrible She was only thirty five. I mean this is air force veteran cash california yeah to be across the country. Yep yep There are some in the wake of her death saying oh well we should say her name. Which is you know is is the hashtag attached to taylor and other young women who have been Killed unarmed. So they're trying to make the point there. She was unarmed my. I don't know that we know that because all all the we've gotten so far is it. Her name is ashley abbott. And she has an air force veteran and some of the other circumstances around her death have yet to be released. So there is that piece of it but The crowd that she was with nonetheless. Nobody was there nonviolently. They weren't marching in the streets With arms and suddenly being beaten or attacked so that is not appropriate and people are quite angry about it. The attempt to co-opt a phrase first of all that's part of the black lives matter movement and To a to attach it to someone who was clearly About the business. Well she was about business. That was riotous and Horrible and seditious as people are saying it's all of those words while a lot of people are are are saying that it is not appropriate to apply that hashtag. I happen to be with those people who believe it's not appropriate. Somebody who based on some we discussed this briefly earlier on the show who might believe it was appropriate if he did such things with curt schilling the Huge star the red sox and Other teams for awhile. He's obviously for the hall of fame again and do either of you have his tweet in front of us in. Today's yes boston share with us. Kelly says you coward sat on your hands did nothing while white awhile liberal trash looted and burned for air jordans and big-screen sit back. Shut up and watch folks start a confrontation for expletive that matters like rights democracy and the end of government corruption. Yeah i i have to say. That's sort of. It's almost like he feels bad that he wasn't with them. Is that takeaway. I stunning. He's you know a conservative guy and He's often on twitter. You know making some statements. This is rather appalling So apparently he got seventy percent of the votes cast last year for the baseball hall of fame. And he's up to seventy two point eight this year The i guess the ballentine has happened. I'm not sure the voting has happened but the balancing has happened and people are suggesting that maybe this might impact what the final decision may be of those who vote and those Sports writers forgot who votes for this. I think they are sports. Writers and a one hundred percent. Sure and i know that. There's a big debate in this hall of fame voting as to whether or not how one lives one's life off the baseball diamond. How relevant they. That should be because they talk about a lot of particularly some of the greatest stars. I think ty cobb is amongst them. Who have a pretty nauseating history out in the world. Lot of racism among some of the players overt racism. Some of the players are in the hall of fame. and there's a big debate around people like a curt schilling. Who by the way. This tweet is offensive. Is it is. He is not This is after the fact he is not a urging violence. Even though i the words i find pulling it is a free speech kind of thing. It's not like what donald trump was. Doing at least in my estimation but i'm guessing no matter what the rules are that if anything keeps him out of the hall of fame in this vote as you mentioned. I think you need seventy five percent. He's very close. My guess. is these These comments will be what keeps them out I have reposted on my under the radar. Facebook page today. A commentary i did twenty seventeen about Freedom of speech and consequences because people think it's a get out of jail card for everything And it actually is not And that came up in my mind this morning. Or i thought about it again and reposted because of josh hawley The senator who lost his book deal and is now claiming you know freedom of speech and this is horrible. And so if you're taking away my book deal therefore that's against Freedom of speech. No no no. It's not but as i wrote in my commentary about a woman who gave the finger to president donald trump. She lost her job. Well she was free to give him the finger but she doesn't get to keep her job as a result of freedom of speech. I mean there. There's conscious quences and so there there may be consequences on the baseball hall of fame. There may be consequences for josh hawley on his book. Deal there's consequences But that doesn't stop you from having you can. You are free to say it. But understand that there's no guaranteed. The freedom of speech does not guarantee you your job or your award or your honorary degree or whatever else kelly staying on. I'm glad you brought that up. I had forgotten about. I read this morning when i got up at simon schuster. Isn't that pulled the book deal. What's their what's their case that that because he was part of yeah they just wanna be associated with it. You know. we're at a time. I'm where anybody in business will tell you that it's not only the product but the people associated with the product that have an impact on consumers decisions to purchase mean. People are looking to see. How do you represent yourself in the world. And if there are a lot of issues that unsavory I don't want to be associated with. You doesn't mean that you can't take your book elsewhere if you chose to but we decide we in this case simon and shuster that this is not something we want to be associated with. Not just that it happened in you are a part of it but then you were egging on people. I mean remember. This is the guy that they have the photo of him with the raise. You know outside saying yeah guys. Come on do whatever you have to do. This is the guy that even after eight of his colleagues said wait you know after. All of the chaos in the rioting and the and the rampaging. We're not even going to be a part of this this test of the this objection to the electoral college Voting because we know that it's not going anywhere and it's not even worth trying to push the test. But he was not one you know he got up and made a statement saying well. I pour the violence. He with raised fists. But we should be able to you know. Push forward in and make this objection. Even as he knew this was you know had nothing to do with truth Do you know. And the reason by the way marjorie. I think i don't know if you're asking. Seth mall volunteered at about whether or not you know do they. Really do or maybe. It was unimpressed. They i'm sorry. Do they know what the reality is or not. Josh hawley. is one really really smart guy. Very privileged guy. He throws some fancy dancy prep school. He went to stanford he went to yale. Law school yale alumni. Wrote this letter really smart car disgrace it. Yeah he absolutely knows he does. He does is because he thinks he's going to ride the trump train to run for president in a couple years. He also lied about antifa coming to his house and banging on his door. I'm not a fan of people going to protest and people's houses and putting painting people's houses whether it's nancy pelosi or mitch mcconnell. But he lied about that. That video showed that wasn't what happened. They can't people came to his house. Wasn't this endless bay in the door and it wasn't and t boy. Antiques really is everywhere. These days is likely to be turnaround is another oh no. It's antifa. god. Kelly we can end with since we started with sports. Since you're such a huge sports fan. We can end with with the sports. Lebron james who. I you know again i. His performance has been talking about on the court. It is just his say he isn't engaged. W what's the nba. The wnba general. They've been great. Kelly leffler i assume people know. I think it's called the atlanta dream owns a wnba team. We talked about it yesterday. That the members of the team nali wanted her were criticized her when she criticized black lives matter protests during the summer but they also went to the commissioner and were urging the commissioner thrower league which the commissioner apparently didn't have the power to lebron. Got another way around it. Does he know yes. He's asking for people to join him. Putting together an ownership group for the atlanta dream to buy her out I mean he's got plenty of money. Now let's be clear. Her husband became a billionaire during the time of her running in atlanta. He was a pretty rich guy anyway but he apparently you know. Got more money during this period of time. So she's not hurting for any funds as well but no one understands why she wants to own this team. She also sponsored a bill that targets transgender athletes. So it's like really. What are you doing with this So anyway he's asking for people to join him. Apparently mookie betts. I not said yeah. Count me in. So that's maybe something will happen with it. I mean i like people who are coming up with constructive ways of channelling rage. I think he's very impressive in that way he just. He says he's going to do something he does it. He's committed to it. I mean i keep thinking about the school that he created it. You know all those backpacks. He's given to kids who those poor kids who didn't have anything i mean he's just he's walking the walk he really is. He really is one of the things about the leffler thing. I find interesting. And you've mentioned holy in simon and schuster cancelling book deal. What kind of accountability again. This is not somebody who has different position if somebody's sports. Donald trump and likes his brand of politics. Listen so be it. That's you're entitled to that but when somebody supports the subversion of democracy in the overturning of an election based on nothing i think there should be some price to pay. I'm really anxious to see two or three years down the line what happens those hundred and forty seven members of the house who voted to Along with the challenges to the certification i guess of arizona to the six senators including hallway in ted cruz. Who thought it was their ticket to the presidency in four years. It's going to be really interesting. Kelly leffler who who bought into the a overturning the election. I don't think she ultimately voted. Now she's she walked away did step away. Their whole race was our whole campaign was glowing herself to the election. Challenge and that sort of thing. It'd be interesting to see whether there is a price exacted by the american people or if it turns out that we are more forgiving and we. I sometimes tend to be listening to. ted cruz. Tried to come up with reason why it was all okay what he did. I mean if anybody would vote for him at this point. I have no words. This man is supporting the guy that talked about his wife. For god's sake have some dignity about yourself. I mean this is just For those who don't know we've mentioned a few times when he says the guy. Donald trump not only suggested that That ted cruz is wife was ugly and tweet where he can had photograph from. Melania trump and cruz white but also suggested that ted cruz is father as part of a conspiracy to that assassinated. Jfk can't that's right despite that fact and by way if you google some of what cruise said during that presidential campaign about donald trump and then you look at the loyalty of cruise. It is other graham. Don't you want going on there. I mean what does his wife think about this. What he's not this. I want an extensive interview with the wife and the children ted cruz. Aren't you do that. I should do that. Jim liked to now. Because i i find it. They were having dinner together doing couples night. He and melania and are you kidding. I just i don't wanna know both okay. So what are you doing sunday night. Kelly cross mass politics process to You know put some historical and political context around the not only the events in the capital but looking at the historic senate victories looking at the change legislation locally And we had a robust discussion about Marty walsh and weather He should have been the face or should be the face of new labor which some people firmly believed in others didn't because labor is changed as from the time that biden was You know The guy in in that arena. So it's really interesting and general just all the stuff that's going on and trying to sort through it with the help of very learned folks georgia thing on a presley when we were talking to her at the top of the show today when we were talking about the harz of wins they went out of her way and i'm glad she did to say i want to talk about the joy i don't know if she's joy but it was close to that of what happened in georgia and you know the history that was made the impact that again. Even if you weren't forewarned. And asaf i hope people can appreciate how the world has changed. And i'm glad you're doing it because we haven't done it enough we've been so buried all of the horrors of this week. Yeah so we'll be listening. I'm hopeful that you know often what happens is you're you're just so oppose your so oppose yourself pose and the people get the job and they start doing it and you actually can open up To seeing what they're doing because you know nobody's perfect. But i do believe that they're in the business of really trying to help the people And i think that's more as us offset himself. That's more than the people that voted for him. Kelly will be listening good to talk to you. Thanks so much. Thank you kelly. Thanks again. Kelly crosses the host of under the radar. With with callie crossley. Would you can catch sunday nights right here. In eighty nine seven. Six o'clock you can subscribe to under the radar podcast and follow her on twitter at callie. Crossley up next. We're opening the lines and asking you what to do about media on mine on tv. On greg. another support. Jim who knowingly with mouth of forethought spout lies and half truths and no truce it all that half of americans to believe i numbers eight seven. Seven one eighty nine seventy eight seven seven three hundred eighty nine seventy beat the are w. g. b. h. Dot bork. Welcome back to boston. Public radio jim brown and madria. We started this discussion with india. Nocco or tech guy a couple of minutes ago. Let me tell you. What the factual assumption that. We're making begin this conversation andy and nocco said unequivocally that if it were not for the public leader public interest exception that allows people like donald trump elected leaders on public on social media to cross lines that private citizens could not he would have been banned and i asked him a question near the end i said if donald trump had said the same things on social media that he has said even without the incitement violence the day all the other stuff and was a private citizen. Would he be banned from these social media platforms and andy without even taking a breath said yes so we gonna talk to you in the remaining minutes about whether or not assuming he continues his ways. Donald trump should be banned. Come january twenty first from social media. We want to take it a step. Further as marjorie was mentioned a couple of minutes ago this piece on reliable sources which is the overnight newsletter on the media from cnn. Usually brian stelter. But last night was oliver darcy. Saying why do we demand some of us demand of social media platforms responsibility in terms of what people like. Donald trump say but don't demand the same level of responsibility from cable networks that put on Donald trump allowing him to say the same things that he couldn't say in the future on social media for o n one american network breitbart news. Whatever it is to basically spew lies and disinformation and we wanna know Because there are a lot of free speech is out there that get great concern about this about whether or not you would like to see them all step up to the plate and say to the trumps of the world. Donald trump private citizen in particular ex-president in particular. This is no more place you want to read. One line marjorie. Before we get your thoughts is it was a great politico story in their magazine or read in the middle of the night last night and the guy can't remember who wrote it made a point. I guess is obvious. After i read it but i haven't thought about without without access to these traditional social media channels his meaning. Donald trump's almost eighty nine million twitter followers. His going on thirty three million facebook fans. His instagram is youtube. Is twitch can trump continue to pack the same level of cultural and political sway without twitter in other words. What is trump and the answer. Is i think an ex president without twitter and the others is not much and if he chooses the cross the lines and they choose the shut him down is that something people are comfortable with the numbers. Eight seven seven three zero one eight nine seventy year of free speech person. Are you comfortable with with with his twitter account. Being shut down you mean all of them and not getting access to say the same thing on a cable network that he would be precluded from saying on twitter. Are you okay. What i have in general is a big problem with any lies that are in the media. They're not corrected. That's what i have a big problem. With and i guess twitter what's alive. Oh well sometimes it's basically fat. I mean i said before. I've been a newspaper reporter all my life. If you write something that's wrong to fix it and if you don't get fix it fix it. You often get sued That's why sydney powerless. Being sued by dominion because she was claiming over and over again that they screwed up the voting machines and they're also suing newsmax. They're also suing fox news. You get sued for making those mistakes. What we have now and there was a great example in the washington times. Which is the other newspaper. Conservative newspaper in washington. That did what we talked about with our listeners. Yesterday that they were blaming this riot at the capitol on antifa and They published a story about that and they claim that this retired mili- th- military officer reported facial recognition firm x. our vision Doing facial recognition of protesters and they matched to anti members and blah blah blah. The story was false but the story was repeated over and over again by guy that was recently high. By trump's department of justice it was on all over facebook. This tito ortiz guy. Who's a conservative personality. He tweeted this blaze. Had this it goes around the the media and i. I'm not smart enough to know what to do about this. But i know this is a big problem because when you look we just talk with kelly rossi about the woman who was tragically killed in the shot at the capitol. She believes this. You listen to the people that were there. Being interviewed that were riding in the capital. They believe this. So you have a big problem. We talked about it earlier today about the philippines. Men were not the philippines but when this kind of these kinds of lies are spread and by the way we in the mainstream media were very slow to call the lies coming from the trump trump administration. We are very slow to call. Him lies for sorta calm racist as well. That is a big problem. And i don't know what to do about it. I just know that we've got to do something about it. Nowhere near you. Or i should interrupt nowhere near you or if it turns out that a lotta people wanna talk on television on social media about how deep state and. I don't believe it's factually true. My attitude is go for it. My my position. I'm talking about the kind of things that donald trump does that incite violence if people misinformation. What are you gonna have some arbiter. Who's going to decide whether or not something is factually accurate. I told you. I've been a newspaper reporter on my life boss required to do it. That means you're going to require it in the public sphere. I guess what i'm saying. Is that journalism used to be about telling the truth. Now it is about saying anything you want and getting away with it. Maybe you don't think that's a problem. I think that's a problem. I think the answer. Is you counter it with facts. I'm not talking at all you're talking about. You're talking about balance. I am talking about when people like donald trump cross a line and i don't just mean doing false information like incitement to violence when he's a private citizen. I am totally fine with him. Not only being shut down on social media but being shut out a cable networks. They should have the same responsibility that zucker. Bergen jack dorsey do but any case rather than you and me arguing. Why don't we take some calls. Eight seven seven three zero one. Eighty nine seventy. I guess the question is the pulling from what margin are both saying. How closely should speech be police On all these platforms. And i totally agree with us writer from politico without twitter there is no donald trump. And so should he have no twitter. Let's are with kevin and brooklyn. Your first boston public radio. Hey there kevin well as always you folks tear it up and good to talk to him happy new year. Happy lear and to you you to i. I've tried not to call for a bit because among my folks i'm starting to get known for talking to you folks which i enjoy a lot but this is not a crime by the way i want you to know that we consider that a good thing but go right ahead kevin i I think it's interesting because it's twofold throughout history. Massive people believe what they want to believe and can justify anything be it's slavery the holocaust internment camps for folks so if they get news stories that help and and make their belief system more palatable. They're all for it and so you know it's like okay. Great yes i rem- you know. It was a rigged election and and so on so forth with the facts on but the problem is is that when you've got so many different news outlets that in either direction there's no more right. There's no more walter cronkite. So what do you do about a kevin. We all agree is a problem. What do you do about it. I think what you have to do about is gotta find someone who truly truly is above the above it all and that's a tough one but they're out there right you know you've gotta find someone so respected and you look at their record and people are gonna go to him and also understand that every has complicated right. There is no black and white. There's no everybody who feels this way. There's stereotypes it's like it's a super complicated problem. I mean the two of you are about as like minded as they come but you still take opposite ends to so many different issues in both get heated. Because they're passionate people suffer kevin. Let me for words in your mouth. You seem to be saying we shouldn't shut anybody down what we should do. Fine credible sources of information that we can go to when we are in doubt of that will help us determine where the truth lies. Is that what you're saying. Well i think yeah. I think it need to be as if the same rules apply to you on the street. You know like the old tape of showing the guy that picked you know. He picks the the heavily jewish populated neighborhood to go and celebrate hitler's birthday. We have to watch that. We were kids and discussed freedom of speech. I can go into a movie theater. But i can't yell fire right. It's like you know and so it becomes the same thing. I can say what i want online until you until i incite people to violence wrote and that's why trump shut down from the other day and Temporarily at least and and if he does the same i assume he'll be banned than i think he should be. By the way. Kevin when we say recognize when we met kevin we should just say one of our favorite organizations banned in boston. They wonderful event. Yes we've done every year for the last few years and it supports the wonderful urban improv. Which is where kevin was in his former life. Check it out. it's a great group. Kevin thank you so much for your thoughts as always eight seven seven. Three zero one. Eighty nine seventy you think the fairness doctrine really the solution. I mean that is wrestling with this lucia. You know i've been criticized on that opinion a million times because people say that it's too late for that because of the internet as i said before. I'm not smart enough. I just don't drag out the old daniel patrick moynihan line. You're entitled to your own opinion. Not and child. You're on facts. And i think that the fact that people knowingly and they know it lie night after night after night on fox news. The continuing to lie about this election was stolen. And you know this was terrible. And you know there were no votes in in suitcases and blah blah blah when people in those positions continue to lie it has a very corrosive effect. I think it's already had a very corrosive. Agree agree more. I'm not. I don't know what to do about it. I just know it should. I don't think i to me. That's not making up facts on. The airwaves is not a free speech issue. Making up lies. It's it's different. I think when you know especially faith here. North andover high lo. Thanks for taking my call you and love you guys. I guess they agree. More with monitoring. I thinking that these cable networks. Oh a that guys. Something that something. Newsman helped the newsmax. Thank you so much. I think they should be held to the same standard as on. nbc. Cbs can't be just Stating lies and not having any consequences for it and interrupt you. It's sort of like marjorie when she was talking about when she was a newspaper. Reporter and columnist. Nbc since you picked itself polices. It isn't like there's some outside force that says the nbc You have to be responsible. They choose to be responsible. If i n to be grossly irresponsible as they are who steps in and does something. I mean what happens then or newsmax as you say who who polices them or should anybody. Police them live and ruled regulations. However you guys would not better than i do. But somebody has to tell nbc. You can't just be swearing. Uk anti susan. You know what i'm saying. I mean i think that they should have some kind of rules and regulations as much as the bigger name because they spew these things. I look at facebook and and people pick up on that and it snowballs into craziness like well. That's why seventy percent of republicans in this country believe the election was stolen. Essentially your faith. Thank you thank you for the call. you know. it's a great example is is what right we media has done crow virus. We have three hundred. How many thousand people are dead now. Sixty lying about how serious. This was lying about Masks all these things. I mean they again. If if these were just people that were bonkers and didn't know the difference but they do difference and to be able to say that night after night after night but see. I think that is like screaming fire in a crowded theatre. I don't think going on a television. I don't like it and saying that the election was stolen is in the same category. I think the if you say the election is stolen and by the way let's go wild at the united states capitol in response that is crossing a line and i think saying the line. Is it crossing a line to photoshop. Put up on youtube. That totally distorts. What exactly happened or to fix that sort of stuff as videos. Yeah okay. I think it's not okay. See the problem with all this stuff. The problem with all this stuff is who sets the standard is the bottom line. And would you not agree. I mean there. No national standard setting. Do you want to be do you. Well i think. I think in the libel law to knowingly print something. That's false a false fact. You got a problem and i don't know why part of the problem with this. Of course the engine is new. We haven't really thought it through but that's been kind of standard for a long time know in lawsuits filed every single day marjorie. That doesn't litigation. i'm not. I don't have a solution to this especially involving the internet but i know there have been standards that have worked reasonably well not without errors and not without problems. Go back to where it started. Because i think this is. My view is just as we discussed with andy. The rules that caused. Donald trump's facebook and instagram and others to be taken away by mark zuckerberg till the twenty-first taken away by twitter for twenty. Four hours is are the same kinds of rules that should apply to television networks. It wasn't just because he said something. That was factually. Inaccurate went beyond that. And i have no problem shutting that stuff down because again if you're inciting somebody to commit violence your yelling fire in a crowded theater and i think you should be shut down and all forms which basically means we'd almost never hear from donald trump again. Let's go to samina car high much for having me talking about different complete baby Closely enough firms or morally obligated you or should we legally regulate what they would Like repealing section. Thirty and having them have live. Donald trump wanted in the defense bill. Yeah right so so. I think morally. It's clear that he's not forms. Aren't to be something like donald trump You know band. People are wearing all are spreading misinformation and inciting violence I think that you should where you've been talking about when you wanna put it in these legal regulations. I think you might worry or you know when when people aren't you know if there's someone in power you're worried is gonna you know Us like you to further their goals. You might worry about that. So i think we ought to call these platforms to morally. Do something about it. But i think pursuing legal regulations. I think we should think more before. We take that route being example. I should have thought this ages ago. The first time margin i started having this. Discussion is when you almost went out of your mind when the death death with dignity. Ballot question was on the ballot. Here was it. The ads paid for by the catholic church over the edge because they were so of and the question and unfortunately we're pretty much out of time. Sam thanks for the call is again. Do you want television advertising to be police and if for truth and if you do buy home i mean i don't who do you trust and i'll end this with the darcy's statement from this This news letter from reliable sources. It's time for tv carriers to face questions for london their platforms tas companies. That profit off this information and conspiracy theories. I think you'd have that to tv and radio and other media that knowingly lie to their viewers to make money. I just saw this. We're not going to solve. is today jim anyway. We are done. Thank you very much for tuning in to boston public radio. Thank you for listening In this incredible week. Monday are going to be joined by financial columnist. Michelle single terry. Who is absolutely fantastic. You're gonna love her. She's great about money. She by a lot of other stuff. And senator. ed markey is gonna talk about. What's transpiring this week. And what's going to happen if anything with the twenty-fifth amendment and a trump getting out of office through impeachment. Our crew would like to thank chelsea. Murray zoa matthews. You believe aidan calmly or engineer. John mccaw parker. Miles smith and dave goldstein. Run a remote studios. You're not interview tonight jim. But he is taking tune into her at seven o'clock on gbh. We've also got that wonderful frontline documentary about deteriora- with this about a brilliant courageous fearless funny full life journalists. She's lies going unchecked. That's your point and you how she's checking them by the way. She's checking in with fabulous journalism. She's not shutting them down right not yet i don't again i'm jim bradley. Have a wonderful weekend and stay for tuning.

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