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Michael Stipe Is Making Music Again

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28:03 min | 1 year ago

Michael Stipe Is Making Music Again

"KPCC's supporters include searchlight pictures presenting Joe Rabbit nominated for six Academy Awards supporting actress Scarlett Johansson adapted screenplay by tyco. I T T film editing production design costume design and Best Picture of the year and Twentieth Century Fox presenting Ford Versus Ferrari directed by James Mangold and starring Matt Damon and Christian. Bale Ford Versus Ferrari is now nominated for four Academy Awards including best picture of the year back from the Moon Broadcast Center at KPCC. This is the frame. I'm John Horn. Here's our lineup. For today I the critics are done grilling TV executives about new shows and how they're competing with so much programming we check in with the Hollywood reporter. Daniel Feinberg then Dan. Michael Stipe is recording songs again after having walked away from music when rem disbanded in two thousand eleven. When I work on something we wanted to be really not justin good? It's GONNA be Greater. It doesn't go out into the public and I was with him for thirty two years. That's heavy carrying. And we marked the centennial of landmark production studios in L. A.. It's the frame. We'll be right back. KP supporters include searchlight. Slight pictures presenting Joe Rabbit nominated for six Academy Awards supporting actress Scarlett Johansson adapted screenplay by tyco. Itt Film Editing Production Production Design Costume Design and best picture of the year now playing in theaters nationwide welcome to the frame. John Horn the two week television in critics association. Winter Press tour wrapped up this past weekend right here in Pasadena. It's where the broadcast networks cable channels and major streaming services announced there upcoming schedules as they try to position themselves in the rapidly changing TV marketplace. Daniel Feinberg is TV critic at the Hollywood reporter and longtime Ta not a attendee. Daniel Welcome back to the show. Thank you so the. TCI's stand for the television critics association. But it feels like even though net flicks wasn't present there's so much news about streaming that maybe the TCI's should be renamed the sea's for these streaming critics association both of course was net flicks. The big headline was their absence. But on the other hand. If you don't have netflix there but you do have let's see HBO. Max made an appearance kind of with the press conference since they don't exist until the spring but also Hulu was there Amazon was there apple. Did two thirds of a day for the first time it was great to see see them. Their facebook watch was there we had. I don't WanNa say all of the players but we had a lot of the players and I think that that was kind of the story of the tour was the sheer proliferation of streaming and also the warning that it's only getting worse. Even though Netflix wasn't present there was an analyst who estimated the service will invest more than seventeen billion dollars in content this year. Obviously that's a lot of money but when you start thinking about how other networks and cable channels and streaming services are positioned themselves. Do you start to see ways that they are looking for a core audience and if so how would you define it. I think you would look at is combination for the most part of two things. You have recognizable original programming. That can either mean based on Ip or featuring large urge stars so the obvious things to point to there would be something like the mandatory as the key Disney plus show or something like morning show as is the key apple TV plus show so in those cases you have audiences that you're trying to pull a and you're saying okay. Here are the two biggest female stars in the world. Then Jennifer Aniston Reese Witherspoon. Shirley WanNa Watch this but then you also have the places that are saying we already have thousands and thousands and thousands of hours for you to waste time based on library content which is part of why Disney plot had going so well is because they have both a show as high profile is the MED Laurean. But also you just go down the labyrinth of their programming. And never come out and that's something that Apple. TV plus does not. Have you look at the big players that are coming out this spring and summer you look at peacock and you look at. Hbo Max and and they're both going down the middle as well. They both have thousands upon thousands of hours of library programming. And then they're saying we're rebooting. I don't know Punky honky brewster or that show that you didn't watch enough on NBC. So that's what we're seeing more and more when the companies are talking not only about their Shows that are about their value. How do they describe why anybody would want to subscribe to Hulu Apple? TV Amazon Prime Crime Net flicks NBC universals coming Peacock Hbo. Max How do they say you need to get all of these things because at a certain in point nobody can afford everything. Well no one says you need to get all of these. Every one of them exists in this world in which you have one the streaming service already or you have to streaming services already and that is probably the most interesting thing about the way that peacock had its Corolla to investors this week peacock is of course the NBC Universal Streaming Service that will be coming in the spring and then summer depending on your cable providers and and their biggest argument more than anything else is were free. It's we understand that you have lots of choices. Here's one that is as close close to default as we can make it a statistic that said that eighty percent of streaming users would rather watch a limited ad load. Get something for free than to pay money and not have to deal with that. This is not the way that I work. I'm in that twenty percent that doesn't want the ads but their argument was we're we're going to be free. You're going to get much or most of the content if you just get the free version so please come watch us and watch our ads. You won't have a choice. That was why why they stood out in. This conversation of the past couple of weeks is because they said look we understand and will give it to you for free somewhat. We're talking with TV critic Daniel Feinberg about the recently recently concluded. TCI'S FX chief. John Landgraf said that the number of TV shows last year surpassed the five hundred mark for the first. There's time when you think about how the traditional networks are looking at the competitive landscape. Does it feel like they're becoming a little more risk interested or a little more risk adverse in other words are they sticking to their knitting or they trying to be a little bit more diverse and do original daring. Shows the definitely not for the most part trying to do daring shows. But I think they're still and this is year five six seven of this exact same conversation trying trying to figure out where they can still fit what they can do that. The other guys can't do and so that's when you have something like NBC you see bringing out this is us and this is seems to be oppressed to her constantly but it's there as a reminder of hearsay show that is very very successful on broadcast TV TV that is watched by more people than have knows how many guilt there would be what ABC did where Kerry Burke their entertainment came out and said we're trying to do more live. Oh I programming. We're trying to do more event programming and so that is going to be a key differentiator and then we're going after female viewers so that's our other differentiator later but no one else on the broadcast was being that clearly NICI about it. They weren't saying we're abandoning the wide audience for this corner or of the audience and definitely. ABC Wasn't saying no we've abandoned men but they did make it clear there was a focus. So that's all that anyone is trying to do is trying to say either. Here's the focus. And here's what makes us different. Or here's the thing we're doing that the net flicks is in the. HBO'S CAN'T Daniel. Feinberg is a TV Abi critic at the Hollywood reporter and he was giving us an update on the. Ta's Daniel always great to have you on the show. Thanks for having me Coming up on the frame. Michael Stipe walked away from music when his band. Rem folded up. Now he's back with with some solo work that's next on the frame. KPCC PODCASTS are supported by twentieth century. Fox presenting Ford Versus Ferrari directed by James Mangold and starring Matt Damon and Christian. Bale Ford versus Ferrari was named best film of the Year by Kenneth Durant The Los Angeles Times and now nominated for four Academy Awards including Best Picture. KPCC PODCASTS are supported by Warner brothers. You're listening to the Oscar nominated score from Joker Todd Phillips's oscar-nominated vision of a man struggling in a world without empathy varieties. He's owned gleiberman named joker the best film of Two Thousand Nineteen calling it a movie that can and will stand the test of time. Walking Phoenix mesmerizes. In the performance of the year here now nominated for Eleven Academy Awards and eleven BAFTA awards including best picture director. Todd Phillips and actor Joaquin Phoenix. Welcome back to the frame. I'm John Horn for more than three. Decades Michael Stipe was the lead singer of Rem. The ban made fifteen albums before splitting up up in two thousand eleven after that stipe largely retreated from music but recently he got back into the studio and he's just released a couple of singles it's his first solo works since rem and each comes with a beautiful music video. When I recently he was back on the campus of the University of Georgia in Athens? It's where he studied photography not music so before we got to his new music. We started with at my interest in photography actually predates. I'm moving to Athens Georgia and going going to college. I started when I was fourteen. Which means that photography was my first love before music and something that I thought was a I don't know it's a it's a a tool or a medium through which I felt like I could express myself pretty well. I know now I didn't know then but I know now that I have a somewhat unique week way of looking at things and the world and people in making connections at that other people don't necessarily make and so I'm able to implement that into the work that I a two as a as a visual artist. My my my schooling here at the university had several professors who really innovative in a- and an incredibly inspiring on to the students including me and I'm actually friends with several of them still so It it it meant a lot to be able a to immerse myself into The Arts community here in the late seventies early eighties and I think that had a big impact on the artisan and I and Song Songwriter. Lyricist and I became. Do you think there are things that you can say as an artist and a photograph that you can't say as a singer in a song of To me the the mediums are are similar. I when I when I hear music good music or great music. I see things and and then if I'm participating in in that piece of music my job is to try to flush out and give it narrative if amusing axon Jackson and words or my boys so there's more overlap for me between the two then there is the disparity or distance. I WANNA play a song from a number of years ago from a performance actually with the BBC in two thousand three Serbs photograph loop graph on the test take in years turned around back. It's the windshield. Shows ever receive lie picture. Uh long as nights swimming and it made me think about when you're able to take some time away from music are you able to rethink thank the relationship between visual imagery and songwriting and how they're connected was I just said they're very very very connected. It's funny that you pulled that in that particular Lyric and song out because I drove. I'm I'm in Athens for the holidays and I was visiting a friend who lives out in the country. And it drove by the place that inspired that actual lyric and it's it's been come sadly It's been raised and turned into condominiums a The that particular swimming but the the photograph on the Dashboard was actually a real thing that I just made a note of and it wound up working. Its way into into this. This beautiful beautiful copies of reckless Hey we're talking with Michael Michael Stipe formerly of rem about his new Solo. Work when you take a break as long as you've taken from songwriting you come music okay. Music what what led to the songs. Why did you come back? I had to take the break I had to step away from it for a while. I also at the same time that rem disbanded. I I shut down both of my production companies and I was working feature film So I shut both of them down and I just had to really take some time for myself to figure out what it was that I wanted to do with with this part of my life and music as as big of an impact as much As as big a partisan has played in my in my in my past and my history music almost create creates a wall between me and the rest of the world a in such a way that because I think I'm a bit of a control freak and when I work on something I want it to be really not just good. It's got to either be great or it doesn't go out into the public and I was that way with rem for thirty two years that's heavy carrying To to the only allow or or tried to allow your very best work to come out and to let the rest of it kind of fall fall way or or go into the delete file So when are in disbanded. I needed to take a break. I needed to not think about music for a while and It kind of crept back in in ways that were unexpected. And then I found myself Working with this group of people that Empathetic in particular any LEM ouster Singer songwriter veteran engineer and producer. And a great friend We started work with sort of writing on synthesizer and I'm not a musician I played classical Michael pianolas a child and I played accordion as a as a third grader. But I don't know how to play any instrument and and yet How to compose hose and how to put music together in a way? That's that's arresting and An inspired is something that I've been. I've been surrounded by my the whole. Don't live and so anyway. It was a grand experiment. Can I compose write my own music and it turns out. I'm I'm not bad at it. I would play the song that you did with Andy. LA- master sure this is called year capricious soul can't Honey of the sea because To serve your body to serve your on my cab recess so I should also point out. There's a beautiful video for the song directed by Sam Taylor Johnson who is a great photographer and made the John Lennon Film. Nowhere Boy Oy. It's a single take of young girl. I'm wondering where the song started because I cannot separate the song from the visual image. That Sam Taylor Johnson created but what was the image or the idea in your mind when you started working on it that makes me so happy and so happy for Sam. She's a great friend and I was thrilled with the piece that she presented me. I kind of I kind of approached her with this idea and told her what was what I was picturing. And she took it and of course turned it into something completely hers What inspired it for me? A photograph actually pick a picture that I saw. Someone who I love very much is no no longer with us and The word caprice was written It was a large part of the of the image. The person I'm talking about is Jeremy Harris and I started thinking about caprice and the idea of capriciousness and and and it turned into this lyric at it completely surprised me. I didn't expect it. I don't actually remember writing the lyric which is always a good thing I kind of snuck up. I snuck up on myself and I was like well. These are good. Who wrote them and it was me say? Will you describe this kind of pressure to do things as perfectly or as well as possible with the band which is both kind of an obligation and also a burden I would think thank How do you free yourself from that or you stole stuck thinking that way it? If it isn't perfect I can't do it. It wasn't obligation and it was because I was representing more than myself I represent the entirety of Ram. I maintain that we as a group were were greater than the sum of our parts serve as a solo artist. I now have to you know to singles out the invention. Thank you very much I'm kind of excited by what I'm doing and kind of I'm really excited by it. And it's it's it's it's thrilling and exciting to take all that stuff that I learned with the band and apply it to to this kind of new adventure for myself. I would play another one of your songs songs. It's called drive to the ocean. Another music video goes along with it directed by yourself. We stand at the water. The wind the Sun God's creature or gather other surfacing crown a blast through just threes the rich a residue. We came to SPA. Just look that Da. uh-huh Look God. I read this as a like climate change ballad thinking about this song. Is that something that might have been for the front of your mind actually. Yes that's for me personally. That's exactly what it's about now. I I love the idea. The song can go out into the world and people can apply all kinds of interpretation. Whatever it is that they need or want from from music and from a lyric as long as it's not nefarious or are hateful? They can and apply that to anything that I write but yes I was thinking about the end of something in the beginning of something else in in the in the world that we're living in right now that certainly certainly applies to climate change. How would you describe the role of of artists about starting conversations? Getting people to think in a new way. How would you describe the opportunity and the responsibility for an artist? Profoundly founded profoundly important an important culturally I think very very very important. I think of artists as a way of I I mean I think my job as an artist is really to help present and who we are and what we are right now and what we might be moving towards that that is a better version of ourselves and I see that as a job. It's a really fun job. And it's great job. Shaw have it does carry some responsibility. I wish that the media that we have currently in America felt the same responsibility as a fourth estate And such such an important part of a political discourse. They've certainly felt us in the past couple of decades. Michael Stipe as a photographer a film producer. A musician Andy. Any has two new songs. Michael thanks so much for coming on the show. Yeah thank you for having me of the up next on the frame a trio of historic film and TV studios just heard one hundred KABC. PODCASTS are supported by Warner Brothers Presenting Joker From Academy Award Nominated Director Co writer and producer. Todd Phillips See Z.. Walking Phoenix's Golden Globe critics choice and screen actors guild winning performance. You're listening to the Oscar nominated score varieties Owen gleiberman named joker the best film film of Two Thousand Nineteen calling it a movie that can and will stand the test of time now nominated for Eleven Academy Awards including Best Picture Best Director and best actor for for your consideration. Welcome back to the frame. I'm John Horn when I love. Lucy hit the airwaves way. Back in the early nineteen fifties it. It was the first primetime comedy that was produced before a live studio audience on the West Coast. Now there's a bronze plaque that hangs outside the so called Lucie stage. It's at the sunset. Las Palmas Studio on Santa Monica Boulevard. Las Palmas is one of three lots that make up. What are now known as the sunset studios and they just marked their hundredth birthday and while the studios played a central role in Hollywood's past? They're also going to be a key player. In the industry's future. Once upon a time for brothers bought a piece of dusty farmland on sunset boulevard their last name was warner and the year was nineteen nineteen nineteen. The Brothers Warner built a studio and started making movies. But it wasn't long before they packed up and moved to Burbank and what they left behind were buildings and land that helped start a storytelling boom just from classic. TV hits like the Jeffersons and gunsmoke tomorrow modern fair like jeopardy and Judge Judy. There's only one person here that has attitude a tooth even Ktla's nightly newscasts alive be the first to know the big story as well as the film that would change the town forever. You're the one thousand nine hundred eighty seven movie. The jazz singer wait a minute. Wait a minute wait up on a silver screen Al Jolson saying with a black back face but perhaps even more surprising for the audience was not just what they saw but what they heard for for the first time in forever people watching a movie could listen to. This was Hollywood's first feature length talking film and it was shot at sunset studios. You could feel like the Hollywood gods are and the goddesses. Are there in spirit. That is writer. Norma peace over there and it's just a wonderful experience to get a little bit of an old with like this super-charged new reality. These days she comes to the lot at sunset studios to pitch projects to net flix. Who moved into their new shiny headquarters? Here just two years ago I feel like those turnstiles. The gate to the Creative Heaven Heaven. You know what I mean. It's like you're watching people going in and out and you're going to be one of those people in any second now going up you know to the to the port of creativity to Heaven and you might walk out of there you know what the huge smile on your face. You know that you sold something or you might be getting called back again or thanks but no thanks but still you've gotten your shot which is so cool as a little girl growing up here in southern California. She watched all the TV shows cartoons and and movies that came out of Sunset Studios. Those are the stories are passionate about those stories. I WanNa make when creative talent comes in. They know this history bill. Humphrey is senior vice. President President for sunset studios together the three lots sunset Bronson sunset gower and sunset. Las Palmas have thirty seven. Hi Tek sound stages on grounds on spending more than forty acres the sunset Bronson lot where I'm talking with Humphrey is marked by. KTLA's original nineteen twenty five radio tower proudly standing guard if you walk down the hall year. We're now in the mansion of the Old Warner Brothers headquarters which is now a part of our netflix complex. Down at the end you'll see these three circles in the Ceiling with which was the executive Jack Warner looney tunes bugs. Bunny coming through the three circles. He looked up. Because let's use that as a symbol looney tunes so that became the love at became the mansion. This was the original Warner Brothers headquarters and and Jack Warner's brother supposedly didn't like you so much so this is about of length of football field so they had on either end so they never interact together but he's still made movies also back then. They were the first company that bring radio to the West Coast continued innovations as Humphrey means keeping up with changing needs. That usually means plenty of space for people to work. Thinking can create. New Buildings have already gone up here for technicolor and Netflix and another creative tower is set to open next year. The goal is to bring different production departments closer oh so together to actual production facilities. I was called sort of the media tech intersection technology. People and media people in creative people all can work together toward this goal of creating great product for global distribution very rapidly but this fast factory model does have its critics. I'd prefer diverse media environment. Emerson College Professor Presser. Jane Shattuck is currently writing a book about net flicks. There is fear in global theory that we are turning out this American product. But it's only American aircon it's This kind of generalize global product That were you know. This kind of people can have a Nike apartment. You I know why the neighbor but in the end who are we to judge how these next hundred years should play out for sunset studios perhaps no one really should. That is unless you are appalled to enter the courtroom up Judge Judith. Shetland for the frame I'm Marcos no hitter it and before we sign off in case you missed it. The screen actors guild gave out awards a couple of nights ago the jokers Joaquin Phoenix one. One per male lead actor and Renee Zellweger took home the lead actress trophy for Judy. We've that's her portrayal of the great but troubled singer. Judy Garland both are expected to win. At are the front runners for the Academy Awards. And that'll do it for today. I'm John Horn. Thanks for listening. We're back here tomorrow at the Broadcast Center.

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Weekend: Michael Stipe Is Back; A "Star Wars" Unicorn and more...

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51:06 min | 1 year ago

Weekend: Michael Stipe Is Back; A "Star Wars" Unicorn and more...

"The People's conversations turned musical street signs. It was like a musical tornado and and it was fairly terrifying and utterly absorbing actress. Mary Steenburgen went in for routine surgery on her arm. And when she he woke up her brain was changed forever. Stranger still an accordion comes into the story. And after Victoria Mahoney became the first woman in a person of color behind a camera on a star. Wars movie we'll thanks change in Hollywood something that happens in the industry that prevalent all the studios is whenever someone says. They're going to hire. You're a person of color. They hire a male and when they say they're going to hire women they are wait. Plus Michael Staife walked away from music when Rem disbanded in twenty eleven. Now he's back. It's the frame weekend from the Mon Broadcast Center at KPCC. I'm John Horn. We'll be right back. Welcome to the frame weekend. I'm John Horn coming up later in the show. We imagine and alternative Oscar ballot but will start today with Michael Stipe by bigger Eli for more than three decades. He was the lead singer of Ari the They made fifteen albums together and then they split up in twenty eleven after that stipe showed up occasionally like an Elf on a shelf. Delve on Stephen Colbert old comedy central. Show I have acquired so many meaningful keepsakes leftover Vaca Products Pints of American dream. And my one of kind Michael Stipe. Who has been sitting on my shelf over there for three years but someone does me? Hey that's you and the corner me in the spotlight. Read your contract. Recently Stipe got back into a music studio and he celebrated a big birthday happy. Belated Birthday. Thank you I'm sixty years old now. I see it on the horizon for myself. I'm a nineteen sixty kid myself. There you go well. It's not so scary. I have to say it's a little less frightening than fifty. That's good to hear. Stipe recently released two singles his his first solo work since REM and each song comes with a beautiful music video music As as big of an impact and as much as as big of a part is it has played in my in my in my past my history music creates a wall between me and the rest of the world. Because I think I'm a bit of a control freak and when I work on something I want it to to be really not just good. It's GonNa be great or it doesn't go out into the public and I was that way with rem for thirty two years that's heavy carrying So so when are in disbanded. I needed to take a break. I needed to not think about music for a while and It kind of crept back in. And then I found myself working with this group of people that empathetic in particular any La- Monster singer-songwriter engineer and producer. And who's a great friend. We we started writing on synthesizer and I'm not a musician I played classical piano as a child and played accordion as a as a third grader. But but I don't know how to play any instrument and yet How to compose and how to put music together in a way? That's that's arresting and An inspired is something that I've been surrounded by my whole life and so anyway it was a grand experiment. Can I compose. Can I write my own music. And it turns out him. I'm I'm not bad at it. I would have play the song that you did with Andy La- master this is called capricious soul food Sunny appeal to south of the sea because Servia Serbia body how to serve your mind search shade tree Shis so I should also point out. There's a beautiful video for the song directed by Sam Taylor Johnson who is a great photographer and made the John Lennon film nowhere. Boy It's a single take of a young girl. I'm wondering where the song started because I cannot separate the song from the visual image that Sam Taylor Johnson created but what was the image or the idea in your mind when you started working on it that makes me so happy and so happy for Sam. She's she's a great friend and I. I was thrilled with the piece that she presented me. I kind of I kind of approached her with this idea and told her what was what I was picturing and she you took it in of course turned it into something completely hers What inspired it for me? A photograph actually. I pick a picture that I saw. Someone who I love very much is now no longer with fuss and The word caprice was written Was A was a large part of the of of the image. The person talking about his Jeremy Errors and I started started thinking about caprice and and the idea of capriciousness and it turned into this lyric. It completely surprised me. I didn't expect it. I don't actually remember writing the lyric which is always always a good thing I kind of snuck up. I snuck up on myself and was like wow. These are good. Who wrote them? And it was me in a Ma. It is will be We're talking with Michael Stipe formerly of Rem about his new solo work. You describe this kind of pressure to do things as ask perfectly or as well as possible with the band which is both kind of an obligation and also a burden I would think How do you free yourself from that or you stole stuck thinking that way that it is if it isn't perfect I can't do it? It wasn't obligation and it was because I was representing using more than myself i. I had represent the entirety of Ram. And I maintain that we as a group were greater than the sum of our parts That that said as a solo artist I now have to two singles out the mentioned. Thank you very much I'm kind of excited by what I'm doing an kind of I'm really excited by it. And it's it's it's it's thrilling and exciting to take all that stuff that learned with the band and apply it to to this kind of new adventure for myself. I would play another one of your songs. It's called drive to the Ocean Ocean. Another music video goes along with it directed by yourself. We stand at the water. Take the wind and the Sun God's creature or gathered as surfacing surfacing crown blast bribe through trees rich residue ooh came to explore. Just look look where that God data I kind of read this as a like climate change ballad. When you're thinking about this song could call that something that might have? I've been for the front of your mind actually. Yes that's for me personally. That's exactly what it's about now. I I love the idea that song can go out into. The world and people can apply all kinds of interpretation. Whatever it is that they need or want from from music and from a lyric as long as it's not nefarious or or hateful they can apply that to anything that I write but yes yes I I was thinking about the end of something in the beginning of something else and a in in the in the world that we're living in right now and that certainly applies to climate change How would you describe the role of artists about starting in conversations? Getting people to think a new way. How would you describe the opportunity and the responsibility for an artist profoundly profoundly important and important and culturally? I think very very very important. I think of artists as a way of I mean I think my job as an artist is really to help present who we are and what we are right now now and what we might be moving towards that that is a better version of ourselves and I see that as a job. It's really fun job. And it's a great job to have. It does carry some from responsibility. I wish that the media that we have currently in America felt the same responsibility as the fourth estate and such an important part of a political critical discourse They've certainly felt us in the past couple of decades. Michael Stipe as a photographer a film producer a musician and he has two new songs. Michael Michael thanks so much for coming on the show. Thank you for having me. You're listening to the frame weekend. I'm John Horn. This week began with nominations nations for the Academy Awards. Where once again there were no women directors nominated and once again almost every acting nominee is white? Four Longtime Academy Hatemi watchers like me. It was frustrating. Franklin Leonard shared my disappointment so he created his alternative Oscar ballot and published it in an essay essay in the Washington. Post Leonard is the founder of the blacklist. It's an annual catalogue of the most likely but unproved scripts in Hollywood many which actually go John to win Oscars revenue back. So we're at not so sad. Your column is almost funny. It could have been a satirical piece from the onion. What motivated it? Well here's the interesting thing right like it. It didn't necessarily need to even be read a satire if anything. The article was written a- As a as a list of all of the people could read it. If we have been nominated in place of those who got nominated and I think that there are additional people that aren't even mentioned in the article who also could have gotten reasonably nominated and no one would have batted an eye except for the fact that it would have been unusual that all the nominees where people people of color that all of the direct on these women which you know is so far from our reality only because history would suggest that all the nominees should be white and all directors should be met. Well let's talk about that. Because there was a lot of great artistic accomplishment from people who weren't nominated I think about hustlers from Lorraine's Ghaffari under on the Star Jennifer Lopez Lulu Wong director of the farewell. Greta Gerwig who made little women performances by Alfie. WOODARD CLEMENCY AQUAFINA and the farewell. Yeah well the entire cast parasite nominated for best picture. None of the actors were so. What's the disconnect in your mind between the great work and the recognition tion or lack of recognition of that? Great work. I mean the short answer is racism and sexism in the intersection between the two. I think that there's a fundamental lack of appreciation the Asian for the work of women directors and the work of Actors of Color. I mean I. I saw it in on my twitter timeline Yesterday people saying Oh Jennifer. Lopez wasn't really acting herself. You know and and I think there's an assumption that you know the actors in Parasite Ter- somehow that's just who they are. They're not actually performing who've been in a room with Soviet song. King Ho you know that. That was a heck of a performance. So I think that the assumptions assumptions and the appreciation and the value that we give to these performances into these directing Sort of accomplishments is diminished. Because of. WHO's doing it? Someone told me you know. Why are you trying to inject politics into these decisions? And and it's not that I'm trying to inject politics into it is that politics are already in it. I'd like to see them removed or at least acknowledgement of the extent to which the politics already there. We're talking with blacklist Creator Franklin Leonard About this year's Oscar. Nominations a read at a piece in the Guardian about how award nominations granted to people of Color especially women are often for subservient roles like slaves saves Nannies and maids. And that's movies like twelve years a slave that help babble even Roma do you think there's some truth in that for the few women and women of color who are recognized sized. They play a certain kind of part and not another kind of role Yeah I think it's pretty an arguable. If you look at the list of women of color that had been nominated in London you know. I suppose. Cynthia read those nominations progress because she's not playing a slave the entire time and actually playing a freedom fighter rescue slaves but no I look. I think that there is again. There are suctions by a large percentage of certain demographics of American culture on on and really sort of Western culture about what role is appropriate for women specifically women of Color. They are far more comfortable with women in those roles than they are if you stray too far field and I suspect Jennifer Lopez playing a stripper. who gets one over on the men that she is supposed to be dancing housing for left? Some significant percentage of members of the kademi uncomfortable since actors are by far the biggest block of Academy voters. Why do the Oscar after nominations differ from the screen actors guild which nominated Jamie Foxx from just mercy? LUPITA neon go from US and Jennifer Lopez from Hustler's. I suspect it's age I again. I'm not an expert on this. You can probably correct me if I'm wrong. But the threshold to join SAG A lot lower in terms of career accomplishment than the threshold to join the academy and therefore it's Sorta seems inevitable that the academy voters are probably at least the mean significantly older than the average Sag voter and given the changes that have happened to be industry particularly over the last twenty years. I suspect that has something to do with the The different nominations the Academy Academy to a certain extent can only recognize movies that get made even if Oscar voters still ignored a lot of great work from under represented filmmakers and actors. Now you've worked as a creative executive in Hollywood so from where you sat on that side of the table. What needs to change in the kinds of movies that are made and who gets to make them So the Academy voters at least can pick from a wider pool of eligible performances in films having the same changes that needs to be made in any hiring environment environment where there's endemic bias. You know we need to hire labor force. That's more representative of the culture. As a whole we need to empower them to tell the stories if they're most excited sided about telling we need to make sure they have the resources to tell those stories well And then I think that combined with the changing demographics of the academy membership I think conceal real shift over time in what gets awarded. I think it's really important to remember that you know the reason this conversation sort of pivots around the academy. Hatami is a bad as the time during the year when the industry is the most visible to the world and I think that hurts the time when we started. They're the most outside pressure can be exerted and it's it's the clearest opportunity to make these cases right that no women were nominated for best director. It's a lot easier to understand that than it is to understand that ninety percent percent of the movies that are directed studios are directed by men. Right so I think that that's why this conversation happens around this time of year but the real issue and the one what matters is who tells the stories of our time. Do they have the resources to tell them. And do they have the autonomy to tell them as they see fit. So let me ask you this last question. We we know that the academy I suspect is probably a little mortified. That only one person of color was nominated in the acting races and that no women were nominated for directors is going to be same name as it always was a year from now two years from now. How quickly are we not going to be having this conversation? I think that the end of the day. We're we're dealing with small data sets and you know. The takes a long time to make movies put movies into the marketplace and then run them through the award season so you know even if everything changed as of today we probably wouldn't be looking at a major change until twenty twenty two and as we all know Those changes tend to be even more glacial than the industry. So it's hard to say. Hey you know hopefully within this decade Lord knows I'm GonNa do everything like and make sure it happens faster both because I think it would be good for the culture and I suspect an industry that looked a little bit more like its audience as we also make a lot more money. Franklin Leonard is the creator of the blacklist. His piece in the Washington Post is called the twenty twenty Oscar. Nominations didn't have to look like this. Franklin thanks so much for coming back on the show coming up. We'll meet a Unicorn born in the Star Wars Universe the first woman to have directing duties and she's African American so the first unit director J.J. Abrams in my case on our film he goes about what is day plots it plans. It moves it grooves it and then most of my day to day work in Kuhn's action stunts explosions. All I love Victoria by Honi. He is up next on the frame weekend. It's the frame weekend. I'm John Horn as we're taping this star wars. The rise of skywalker has grossed more than a billion dollars worldwide and one of the key people on the film's crew quietly made franchise history Victoria. Mahoney is the first woman and the first person of color to work as director on any star wars film home. She was the second unit director on rise of Skywalker where she worked alongside the film's director and Co Writer J.J. Abrams so for people who I don't understand the difference between first and second unit. How would you describe to the Novice Movie Fan? What that means So the first unit director today J Abrams in my case on our on our film he It's his his vision in a true sense because he's also co writer So he goes about his day plots it plans it moves it grooves it and then He shoots out a sequence a scene location and then a second unit director comes in behind the first shoe director and will shoot in that exact location most of my day to day work includes action. Stunts explosions all by love and and then these other dramatic believe it or not that are just here. They just pieces that we sometimes pickup. Jj's on the move and he needs to get to the next location is one or two components in place place and we're we're coming in behind so he shoots and usually the day after the week. After when he's done with that location we go into that sound stage or that location in the woods or wherever we are and we pick up the pieces and And we do get to do the what I consider the fun stuff Now second unit directors when they go off and do their work and I am using the but when he goes off and does his work because this is a job Bob even within the incredibly uneven playing field that has Hollywood men are probably ninety nine percent of the second unit directors. Maybe it's even higher than certain categories of jobs where you just don't see women working not even considered Miami Center and its finish your sentence we can see. That's I think I think that's I think you know where I'm going. So how does that happen at. How does it change? So they're two components of that question one. The first one is it happens. Because because there's an extreme comfort and I will say probably laziness to the Proactively and how people pursue hires. So it's people just reach over to their left or right side and whoever lives next door to them are pleased with their kids at their school are goes to you know coffee shop upper restaurant or someone's friend or cousin uncle whatever but it's like a list comes and they just take off you know it's like that guy this guy this guy the other guy that's it then the answer answer to the second part of your question is better suited to the studio chiefs and the producers and executives who. I'm not sure if they're getting that question and I'm not sure if they have an answer because most of the time we present information to them. It's as if the first time they've ever heard it. I kid you not. You could look at someone's face and realize Oh my God we never hired there no win. Second interacting it's brand new information to them. We're talking with Victoria Mahoney. She is the second unit director on Star Wars the rise of Skywalker and you have said that eh to step out of those hiring practices in this case wasn't the studio. It was J.J. Abrams who said let's thank differently. Right in one of the things amazing when I talked to jj about his insight and making this decision. He was really clear that the position he has in town allows him certain choices. And who would he be if if he didn't make such a choice and Katie McGrath runs. Bad robot has a very very clear sense that his wife and everything that they do within the company. But she's she's a bad ash came through Washington was a force in her own way in the movement that she does quietly throughout the industry is is Very impactful and the scary thing to me is sense then. We there's no news on any other top tier franchise film that hired someone in similar to me not at all. Well there is news and it was by Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative did a study and what it found is the Hollywood still doesn't hire a lot of women are underrepresented directors. People of Color and the worst company is well Disney Company in this period period that was studied thirteen hundred films. Disney hired a hundred and sixty four directors ten where underrepresented directors. Women are people of Color. Something I talked about often and I would. I just feel like people need to get traction on is something that happens in the industry. That's prevalent through all the studios is whenever someone someone says. They're going to hire a person of color. They hire a male and when they say they're going to hire women they hire white and this is a really this is worth discussing. You're absolutely right this last question. So there's a young black girl who goes to see star wars and you're sitting next to her and you're leaning over during the movie. What are you gonNa say a what scene? I shot that did that. What would you point out Well I probably wouldn't say that in a way that it's the same as any DP would never say i. That's my frame rain. You know at the at the ethics because Seoul school but what I would say probably is you can do that not not so I would say and if I if it went further into really cannot like yes you can Victoria. Thank you so much for coming in. Thank you so much John for having Victoria Mahoney was the second unit director on Star Wars. The rise of skywalker You're listening to the frame weekend. I'm John Horn. There's a new musical on. TV It's called Zoe's extraordinary playlist and in the series the lead character character. Here's people singing when no one else does for one actor in a show this seemingly fantastical concept. Isn't that crazy easy frame contributor. Tim Green has the unusual story of how Mary Steenburgen went from actress to singer and songwriter. I mean I just literally this is what I do. They play weird French. Little Caparros Mary. Steenburgen is playing the accordion for me at her home in the Pacific policies. And just making something passively if you know her from dramatic roles like Melvin and Howard or as Doc Brown's love interest in back to the future part three. The image of Mary Steenburgen playing the Accordion and writing songs. Songs may surprise you how this all came about certainly surprised her in April two thousand seven. I had a surgery on my arm and it wasn't a huge deal but it did require that I went under general anaesthetic when I came out from under the surgery. My arm felt fine but My brain felt felt strange and the best. I can describe it. Is that the sound of my mind for my whole life was different and it was replaced with this sort of over scored movie felt like People's conversations turned musical people's questions to me. The answer was somehow the musical street signs it was like a musical tornado and it was fairly terrifying. Definitely utterly absorbing I remember just look in the mirror and and saying you know. It's it's not going away you so you you've got to figure this out because you've got four kids they count on you. You have a husband you have career and you can't go nuts you know you have to make sense of it. I didn't know what to do other than just start studying. How people wrote songs? That husband she mentioned is Ted Danson from cheers. There's and the good place. We flew to Europe with friends to go on this two week. Kind of holiday. We were in Italy driving in a van to go to the hotel and I knew she had written A song that night while I slept on the plane but you said Hey I wrote a song. Do you mind if I sing it to you. And you know everyone kind of literally or metaphorically kind of roll their eyes and went yes of course of course and it came as really remarkable song by the end of the summer she'd written. I don't know forty fifty songs and it truly was slice is married to somebody else. What's she saying the music that was swirling in her head into a tape recorder than professional musicians translated those ideas into songs pretty soon she'd had signed a publishing deal with universal went to Nashville and started churning out dozens of songs with CO writers? Actually think it was more physical than magical. I feel like I connected to a part of my mind that I just didn't have access to before which brings us to wild rose. The movie starring. Jessie Buckley as troublemaking young mom from Glasgow Scotland. Who desperately wants to go to Nashville to become a country music star country singer? Nobody wants to see a convicted criminal of the movie needed a song for the big finale. After Buckley's character rose Lynn gets to Nashville and realizes there's no place like home. Steenburgen saw the call for song. Submissions through universal inspired. She wrote the Song Glasgow with to Nashville Singer songwriters. Caitlyn Smith and Kate York. He pulled her ipad out and played the original demo. This is Caitlyn Smith singing now still does common the gunman angle. She so forget that I was scared. I said I hope your voice is not too good to be sending in because it's intimidating. No one sounds like like this but then we saw this rehearsal of Jesse and we were all blown away just blown away. You write something in a room in Nashville Tennessee. And it goes over to Scotland in this Irish. I wish girl is singing. And somehow you're all totally connected to a you all own it. Ted Danson is kind of an odd as wife the biggest is lesson I think was her willingness to say yes it would have been much more reasonable to say. I'm not going to start writing music at fifty. Not whatever she was that silly. I'M NOT GONNA have a publishing deal with a major label that's ridiculous. I can't go step into these Nashville artists who are doing this. All their lives and expect to be accept. Everything was unreasonable. And yet she said Yes to life life among the things Mary Steenburgen said Yes to recently. She's writing the songs for an animated film. Called the underneath. Should also learn how to play. The Guitar isn't much more useful devoid guitar. Uh I'm not good at stringed instruments at least not so far. That's going to require another surgery. That was a joke. She let me know for the rain. Tim Breathing if you're just joining us. This is the frame weekend. I'm John Horn. Turning Hollywood movies into Broadway shows especially musicals has become really commonplace. Think of the Lion Lion King Billy Elliot Mathilde tootsie. The list is very long and growing so the idea of adapting Moolah Rouge seemed like a natural choice but it required reworking the movies songs into a different structure and getting rights to dozens of new songs. That weren't in Baz Luhrmann's two thousand one film. That was the job of the shows. Music supervisor and Arranger Justin Levine the lyrics were of the utmost importance and so while we certainly were looking for songs wrongs that were Popular or that would be recognizable to The majority of our audience. It was really important that the lyrics served story and character. I WANNA play a snippet of an iconic song. I we're GonNa hear the film version. Then we're GonNa hear your Broadway version region of the same song. No way amount of crazy food. I won't give in to don't leave me this way. uh-huh okay that's the movie version now. The Broadway version. There's no way because you can't pay in. The name of love. Love One night in the name of Ukraine Razi full. I won't give in to you. It's so All you have to fall in love all you have to play later all you have to do to so fair to say Aha was not in the movie version so it is correct. How did you approach that song? Because it is both very similar and radically different. The way I began building that number was I made a list of all of the love songs and anti love songs I could think of and I printed up all the lyrics long list. Yes a piece of Pop music. It's a lot it it it. It was a lot and actually what I ended up doing. was I looked at how in the film Christian sings a line from a song and and then cetane sings it back But with different lyrics to refute his point it's basically a game. It's exactly and I had the idea. What if if actually sixteen brought in some of her own music into this Battle Com. Uh so what I did was as I looked through these lyrics and talking about hundreds of pages I was circling Things highlighting things and then I started cutting them up literally cutting them up and putting them on the floor of my office and so I built this conversation conversation. That finishes the beat of the scene. Much in the way that you would. If you're writing an original song for musical we're talking about Justin Levine about Moulin Rouge the musical. I want to play one song that you didn't get. I hope it's not too painful but let's listen to this song. Yeah that's uptown funk by Bruno Mars and people need to understand that when it comes to licensing songs for a song like that your licensing decomposition and the composition of uptown Funk is by eleven people I think ten people said yes except one and his name is Bruno Mars. That's right that is right You know I completely forget that you know that we had it in the show for so long before we before we lost that song And you know it's interesting because it it's one of the challenges of doing a show. This way is that we had to simultaneously go through the rights process while also building the score. which meant that? I had to go into it knowing that this was bound to happen. But you know the thing about Moulin Rouge and I would say this about the film as well as that it's it's bigger than just one song right. No one song can hold up the show. Although you know obviously what you WanNa find is a song that feels essential in that moment and so that doesn't mean that we were going to settle for just sliding something in you know. It meant that I would have to go back into my the whole and really dig far deeper to To figure it out. Well let's go out. Let's listen to your arrangement of your song from Moulin Rouge the musical. Justin Levine. Is The show's music. Supervisor Arranger orchestrator Ann Lewis Says Justin. Thanks so much for coming on the show. Thank you so much so excuse me day but these things are do see. I've forgotten the Google News. The musical has a grammy nomination for best musical theater album coming up on the frame weekend. The directors of the documentary. I'm an American factory. It's the first film from Barack. And Michelle Obama's Netflix. Steel and it just got an Oscar nomination. We'll be right back Every this is the Klein Simple now that it's Gov Welcome back to the frame weekend. I'm John Horn last year around this same time. We were at the Sundance Film Festival and among the the amazing documentaries that screen there was American factory. We stand here today with the planets closing. But I'm extremely proud out of the people that work in this plant here this week American factory was nominated for an Academy Award for best documentary feature. The film tells the story of of what happens when a Chinese auto glass company named Fu opens a factory and a former auto assembly plant in Ohio community. Give people jobs obstacle and give a future to your kids and my kids. The film was directed by Steven. bogue nerve and Julia Reichert in two thousand nine. They made the short film the last truck the closing of a GM plant and in some ways. It's kind of a Prequel to American factory. The film the last truck had been on H. B. O.. And had the great great fortunate being an Oscar nominee and. We're very proud of that film. But we thought that chapter of our filmmaking was over and then in twenty fourteen eighteen. That dead factory was bought by a Chinese billionaire entrepreneur who owns the largest manufacturer and you factor of of windshields of auto glass in the world and he bought the factory and said. I'm going to reopen it and we're GONNA start making windshields in in America. We established relationships with a lot of people who worked in that plant And they trusted us. People workers in Dayton Ohio. Oh really embraced that film. So when we went in there to talk to the workers on the line and and we were like. Yeah we made the last truck. It was like instant trust. Well you have the trust of some of these former G. M. workers but much more important to the making of this film is the trust of who you because they give give you access that is beyond comprehension and you are in some incredible incredibly candid moments. You get to hear people apple saying things that they probably shouldn't say and shouldn't say on camera. So how did you go about approaching for Yao. And what was your pitch to them. And why did they invite you in when we were talking to the company. We said we would do it. If it was independent we owned it and we had editorial control and we can't pick any money from the company to do this and they agreed and it was largely the chairman. The chairman is over seventy. He's a maverick and he said let's do it. Let's make it real and along the way. During the three years of filming there was more than one occasion when he said to his people around him. This is a documentary. It's not a promotional film for a real documentary. So so go with it. He kind of told his team. We're going to let this happen. And that was huge for us especially in a country like China where people are kind of used to you know the leader you follow whatever they say you fall in line. To- people did I mean his his presidents vice president has management. They might not have always liked us being there but they they were told by the chairman we had to be let in. We're talking with Steven Bognar. Julia Reicher they are the CO directors of the documentary American factory. There are so many different stories that are happening. This film one is how American workers are adapting into their new managers and their new managers view. Of how a factory should be operated and then there's another part of the story. which are the Chinese workers who are living in the united it states? They are cut off from their families for years at a time. They're living in what we would not call you know very nice housing gene. They're making very little money. How important was it to this film to make sure that they were represented and what they were going through because as an American worker might see what they were going through was not at all pleasant when we started the film are are sort of Sensibility our point of view. You was rooted and grounded in our Midwestern Blue Collar folks that we that we know and love and as we were in that factory we started realizing. There's there's a whole nother community and we are far on the outside of that community but they are essential to this story. They're totally crucial to the story. We had to ask ourselves. How do we try? Try to access those folks who don't speak English and that's when we brought on our to Chinese co-producers each Hanjiang and mutually who who started coming to Ohio going into the factory with us every day it was hard for us as midwesterners and white folks and you know non an Asian folks to try to get into those communities but with these two awesome producers eventually did in the midst of filming. Something happens that that you probably might have guessed could happen but certainly couldn't have one hundred percent predicted and that is that there is a move to unionize the factory. We didn't expect there to be a union vote. We didn't know it was going to happen. Something we really started learning about. Though and wanting to document was the Union Avoidance Company that was brought in at very big expense by the company and that is called Labor Relations Institute there lots of these kind of companies all across the country. They were paid well over a million dollars to fight the union actively discourage workers to vote against unionization. Yeah the company itself itself we later learned when we started getting translations of some of the Chinese also like kind of taught their supervisors to be Anti Union and on how to get rid of workers who were pro union is actually against the law. Which of course is against the law and it should be against the law because how do workers get a voice choice? They can organize and without fear of being fired and so many people were fired. I got the phone call from food out that they had fired me. I really truly feel like that. That target me. I was on the news. I was at City Council meetings at the same time we wanted to include anti-union voices in the film encroachers workers who say very articulately. Why they're opposed those two unions and it's wonderfully complicated because in China every worker is in a union and their relationship to their union and their company company is really different than it is in the United States? But it's it's so fascinating that a huge country has become like the greatest capitalist. I country in the World Stephen and Julia thanks so much for coming on the show. You this fund. Thanks John Stephen. Boehner and Julia Reichert are the directors of American in fact rape. It's nominated for the Academy Award for best documentary feature. You can watch it now on Netflix Earlier in the frame weekend Michael Stipe talked about using music to address the climate crisis up now in. La Is a performance artist. WHO's tackling the issue from the stage? Meanwhile matric uses digital animation live music and theatre to explore how humans are changing the planet and not for the better her new stage show is called infinitely yours. The frame contributor Marco's had visited with the artist in this actually isn't recyclable. So in the back of her K town apartment building meanwhile metric right falls through a blue recycling bin. Can you imagine how many boxes they must order if it hasn't this much broken up bubble wrap and air pillows and finding this right now could pull it out. So it's like it's a dual purpose. It's an interview and recycling intervention. It's dark out. So she's wearing a light strapped to her forehead. Is that a spanking light. His love where the second east both hands matric is sort of the door Yan recycling here in her hood she teaches neighbors. That do's and don'ts of reusable materials. It's not like the expert at this but I knew that and this is good because essentially clean this lake you know. Make thank diced tomato can in equal measure. matric hopes her new show called infinitely yours inspires people to treat mother nature better but she quickly realized it all starts starts at home. I started to do a plastic audit. Right would save everything that would go into the blue bin for a month all laid out in a month and like look at the choices that I made made and the grocery store and kind of go through my mind like what are the different choices I can make right like going to a place as a bulk bin instead of buying grains and the plastic. Nick bag also kinda struggling with things like Tofu you know. How do you get to who this? Not Plastic Container Uh some of the items matric retrieved from the Blue Bin have become props for her new show like a plastic bottle she uses to cast beautiful shadows and shapes on a movie. RESCREEN matric combines this type of live shadow puppetry with computer generated animation and then incorporates. Her own body the create stunning collages projector in the back of a large screen cassiano nations. She makes in software programs like adobe after effects but that projector also creates light source from a tray to create a silhouette of herself interacting with images on screen screen a second projector in front of the screen at extra layers of colorful video. It creates the illusion of sort of like this in between space the physical unreal but also fantastic and I think that kind of leads the audience in to A A place of illusion and transformation and a little bit of magic. I can turn this on behind the screen. matric shows me how she moves herself and a few chairs shares to create the complex story. Then having to move these really fast and then to be here to block the image and have put this back there. I mean I think there's sort of a riddle of like you know the cinematic storytelling versus the theatrical storytelling earth theatrical article. What I can physically do in real time instead of animation time so I think that trend a little bit longer for the right cat? Because it's right now. It's kind of barely early able to do it. oftentimes she's moving behind the screen on her knees or back. She's even learned to walk in as side stretch. Bend kind of like the crescent moon pose in Yoga A- actually gotten accustomed to Holding my body like this. So that the part this part of my shadow is a saint side like proportionately. The same size is this part of my head. Because if it's here then my head would be really small. I mean this is like a small detail I think is the kind of things I I realized to doing. In this ferry over a decade matric grew up in Japan before moving to California at age eleven she studied physics at UC. Santa Barbara before turning to animation. Mation at CAL arts for Grad School. But she's never let go of her love for science even though she had to let go of its formal study once they got to a level of physics where I didn't get to imagine anymore. It just became lake very dry and like math heavy and it was about like Kind of like my big imagination. I I think that was kind of led me to going towards art and again they feel like I've gotten to a place where I can go back to that and you now imagine Michael and macro worlds through performance and animation and visual storytelling is should should be a struggle in the process. I think about how we are impacting. The world can educator about this. I'm not sure because I don't come with a background in you know climate change science but I think there is something to be said about the process and struggle of each person. I think it is important to struggle with choices and not have those things become invisible for the frame I'm talknet hitter. Meanwhile matric performs infinitely yours at red cat inside Disney Hall. Tonight show also performed the piece at the Sundance Film Festival later this month. Speaking of that Little Festival in Park City Utah. The frame team will be headed there next week and we'll be filing stories for the daily show next weekend are the Grammy Awards. And we've got a special for you features Liz. Oh Rosanne Cash David Crosby and many any others so make sure you're subscribed to the frame podcast. Don't miss do it for today. The frame weekend is edited and produced by Darby Maloney along with frame producers Monica Bushman. Jonathan chip lit and Julia Paskhin with help this week from its continue Eduardo. Res- is our engineer. Jamir Andrea Gutierrez is our news clerk. She's been a tremendous asset over the past year. We are going to miss her as she goes on to do. Great things. The frame theme music is by Taylor. mcferrin and the show senior producer is Oscar guards asked. 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119Whats the Frequency, Kenneth?

How Good It Is

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119Whats the Frequency, Kenneth?

"Hello and welcome to the next episode of how good is this show that takes a closer look at songs in the rock and roll era, and we check out some of the stories behind those songs and the artists made them. Famous mine is Clark Call and believe it or not I'm still in school I've got another couple of days here. Remember to check out the website, how good it is dot com and the twitter instagram, and of course, the facebook page, which you can find over at facebook, dot, com slash. How? How good. These pod. And I've got the patriarch page, you can show the podcast, a little financial live for your support. There's a weekly newsletter, which in my head is only getting better. My readers might disagree, but they're paying for that privilege check that out at Patria on dot com slash, how good it is, and you can also find the link at the website. Here is a neat trivia question for you either came to me out of nowhere a day or two ago. What? What do the songs? Hey Jude by the Beatles and Bohemian rhapsody by Queen have in common wasn't counting on doing yet another Beatles Trivia questions so soon, but this was to cool not to share. So hey, jude, recorded in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Sixty, eight by the Beatles and Bohemian rhapsody recorded in nineteen, seventy five. What did those two songs have in common I will have that answer and just a little bit more at the end of the show. Now. In order to talk about this rem hit from one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, four, we need to roll back the clock a little bit more to nineteen eighty-six at that time. The Anchorman for the CBS Evening News was Dan. Rather one evening in October of that year. Mr Rather was in Manhattan walking down, Park Avenue to his apartment when he was attacked and pushed by a man who asked him repeatedly, Kenneth. What. Is the frequency? Of course, rather had no idea what he was talking about. Me Said, so but the man was not to be deterred and he kept beating on. Dan. Rather Saint Kenneth. What's the frequency? It was such a weird story that some people thought. It wasn't even true despite the fact that there were two people who came to his rescue and spoke up as witnesses. So let's fast forward briefly to nine, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, four when a man. Man named William. Tiger was arrested for shooting and NBC stagehand outside Rockefeller Center his reason for doing. So he said was that he was distrustful and suspicious of the news media specifically, he thought that messages were being broadcast whom beamed into his head on the evening news. Now, at that time Taylor admitted to being the guy who assaulted Dan Rather, but because the statute of limitations was up nobody bothered following up on it but in one. One thousand nine hundred ninety six, the forensic psychiatrist who interviewed Tiger decided to do a little bit of digging and spoke with Tiger about the event and take her new some things that the general public didn't plus his story matched rathers almost exactly, and then he shared a photo of Tiger with Dan Rather rather said, this is definitely the guy who assaulted him, but none of this became public until early the following year roughly January of. Of Nineteen Ninety seven so for eleven years, the incident was just a weird mystery and it's in met context that we move now to early nineteen ninety-three. When the Band R E M was making plans for their immediate future. They hadn't toured since one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine, and drummer. Bill. Berry was especially insistent that their next album be a little bit more rocker than the previous two and the band as a whole agreed with this. something. Like forty five songs for possible inclusion on the new album and they demo to whole bunch of them in a studio in. New. Orleans. It was all very experimental stuff and in February of nineteen ninety four, they moved to Atlanta and began recording. But these early sessions were done as though they were live in concert or PA's and monitors. Everybody was standing up just to get them into that performance mindset. There were a bunch of interruptions during that recording period which. which made some of the work tougher. For instance, Mike, Mills and Bill Berry got sick on separate occasions, and this was also around the time that Kurt Cobaine and River Phoenix both died, and they were good friends of Michael Stipe. So he briefly left to visit family and friends there in April. The band moved again to Miami where recording was again interrupted because stipend an abscessed tooth by the time they moved to Los. Angeles. To finish the job tensions were rising among. Among the band they were behind schedule. There was even a brief period where they were rarely all in the studio at the same time. Finally according to Mike Mills, they met specifically to resolve their issues and the project began to move forward again. Now, Michael Stipe still had the Dan rather incident kicking around in his head according to a mental floss site, called it the premier unsolved, American surrealist act of the twentieth century, which at the time was true but stipe took. Took that phrase Kenneth, what's the frequency, and he attached it to a guy who's a little bit older and just desperate to understand the mindset of the younger generation and Stipe explains in the same article quote, he's gone to great lengths to try and figure it out, and at the end of the song is completely bogus. He got nowhere unquote in other interviews. Stipe has said that it's a broader attack on the media who tend to overanalyze things that they don't understand. There's also a line in the song stipe sings. Richard said withdrawal in disgust is not the same as apathy, which is a reference to Richard. Linklater's nineteen ninety film slacker, which features a scene involving a character, handing out cards with Oblique strategies written on them. One of the cards reads withdrawing disgust is not the same thing as apathy snap quite the same thing for close enough and what are bleak strategies cards while they're set of cars that were created by Brian Eno and Peter. Schmidt, and they were first printed in nineteen, seventy five. Each card has a method intended to promote creativity stipe said in the. For the part lies part heart court truth part garbage one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two to two thousand eleven compilation album that he quoted the linkletter quote to in a fictional narrative that generates the details, a generational bellyflop, the size of Lake Michigan Unquote. Ford it's worth. You can still buy strategy cards, but they'll cost you close to fifty bucks plus shipping. Now, one of the things you may not realize unless you're either musician or you're listening closely is that the song actually slows down as it gets closer to the end. That's one of those accidents that made it into the final product that remember how I said that the song was beset by various illnesses throughout the recording process. Well. This was a side effect of one of them in an interview with Itar World magazine. Guitarist Peter Buck explained that Bass player Mike. Mills. Started to slow down while he played. So they will just followed along then buck says he noticed that Nelson's starting to look Kinda strange well, it turned out that mills had appendicitis and the head to rush into the hospital and frankly they never wound up redoing the song. The singles released on September Fifth Nineteen Ninety four as the first off of Rem's monster album, and interestingly enough the B. Side of the forty five was an instrumental version of the song although the time signatures don't match up side is exactly four minutes long and side B is Nine. Seconds and couldn't tell you what accounts for the one second difference. It also came out on a twelve inch single with the radio edit. Also four minutes long plus recordings of the songs. Monte got a raw deal. Everybody hurts an man on the moon all from the automatic for the people album. So hold on there, you might be say. If the single is four minutes long. Why is the radio and also four minutes long? I'm glad you asked. The radio edit wasn't a cut for length, but rather for vocal content, the very last line of the song and I'm going to clean it up a little bit was originally, I, never understood don't f with me. Well, stuff like that is going to hamper your airplay just a little bit. So the radio version loops in earlier lying where he singing I never understood the frequency on. The single baby to number twenty, one on the billboard hot one hundred. But it also made top ten on the mainstream rock charts and number one on billboard's alternative rock chart. It was also top ten in the U, K new, Zealand Poland Norway Ireland Canada, and it was number one in Iceland in Australia, went to number twenty four and Jeremiah hovered any low twenties elsewhere as well. As, far as covers yeah. There are couple but I wanted to call your attention to this one specifically. It comes from a band called apologetic T. I x., which is a Christian parody band that describes themselves as a cross between Billy Graham and weird Al Yankovic and their stick is to take secular songs and rewrite the lyrics to provide a Christian message. Do. Testing. The. So, what you get is A. Fairly faithful covered musically, but a whole other set of lyrics. They're also not so much with the timeliness given that this track was released in two, thousand seventeen and I guess in the effort to avoid confusion, I? Should mention this next track by the Band Game Theory. Now. Writer Scott. Miller who is still at the band at that time was also inspired by the then unknown William takers antics, and he also wrote a song with a similar title, but he got on the stick a lot more quickly than Michael Stipe did because this is the opening track from the band's nineteen eighty-seven album Lolita nation. In fact, it's so short. I'm GonNa play the whole tape for. Kenneth what's the frequency then segues directly into the next track on the album. So similar title, Very Different Song. As far as William Taylor he did go to prison in Nineteen ninety-six for manslaughter, and he was released on parole in two, thousand ten and so far as I know he is still living in New York somewhere now in that period during which tigers identity was still mystery Dan. Dan Rather. Did manage to gain a sense of humor about it and in nineteen ninety five. He finally made an appearance on David Letterman's program during a show on which rem also appeared the audio isn't the best. So rather than played here I'm going to refer you back over to the website. I'll. Late to the video and take a peak, you will probably find it worth your while. And now, it's time to answer today's Trivia question back on page two, I asked you about what the two songs. Hey, jude by the Beatles and Bohemian rhapsody by Queen having common. Well, my friend, it's this. Hey. donated. Jake side. Batta. Do. y'All. then. You can start. To make. Facing. Really A. Wait a second I. Hear you saying how were those like? Well, you're not crazy. They aren't, but while the songs were recorded in different studios, hey, jude at Trident studios and Bohemian rhapsody at four different studios. It turns out that both songs used the same piano. It's a grand piano by the Beckstein Company which has been around since eighteen fifty three, and you can also hear that same piano on Elton John's your Song David, Bowie's life on Mars Harry, Nilsson's without you many other songs. It is probably the most recorded piano in the rock and roll genre. Now, the only thing I couldn't quite reconcile is the timelines. Timelines. Since most of queens album a night at the opera wasn't a recorded at Trident. So the I've got is at the piano track was done there while they still had a contract with tried and and they finished everything else at the other studios for what it's worth. The closing track to the album God save the Queen was entirely recorded at, tried it. But that was several months earlier before they went on the sheer heart attack tour, and since Freddie Mercury had been noodling around with the song sense about one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, it's entirely possible that he had that part of the record done as well. That's a full lid on another edition of how good it is. If you're enjoying the show, please take the time to share it with someone. Maybe even leave a rating somewhere, and now you can support the show over Patriot dot com slash. How good it is. If you want to get in touch with the show, you can email me at how good podcast g mail dot com or you can follow the show on twitter or instagram at how good it is. You can. Can also visit and follow the show's facebook page facebook, dot com slash how good it is hot and finally check out the show's website. How IT IS DOT com. We might find a few extra bits and this week a guaranteed. Go check out that Dan rather video. Thanks as usual to podcast republic for featuring the show and next time around, we're gonNA find out how good it is when we meet the guy who put us all on a jet airliner and no. It's not Steve. Miller. Thanks listening I'll talk to you next time.

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52. Part Lies, Part Heart, Part Truth, Part Garbage 1982-2011

R U Talkin' R.E.M. Re: ME?

2:29:43 hr | 2 years ago

52. Part Lies, Part Heart, Part Truth, Part Garbage 1982-2011

"Adam new t shirts. Okay. Fucking t-shirts. Shirts in the store, bro. Finally, these are sort of like, remember those Utah. Can you to to me shirts with you holding the gun? Well, what movies have from the the one with me with a gun? Yeah, was ever a movie or is that just your own personal collection? Yes, I forget what it was. That's from torque torque, of course. Yes. Cinemas torque, great film. We have new shirts in the shore store and at the shore there Ari, are you talking REM. Remeasured. It's in this. Is you on a jet ski from piranha three d? That's my correct. Right. You're going to want this as the sequel to the first shirt that you bought or you're just gonna want it even without having bought that. I, because the first year was such a an incredible seller most like Peter, although I noticed there are no periods after the r e in the m. Well, you know that that keeps it out of the copyright infringement, although the picture from Toronto. Totally. Okay. And not asking me if I mind on t, send it to you. Okay. This is really a bone of contention. We sent it to you and said, is this okay? You said? Yes. So what what is the issue. Okay. Their in store right now, pod swag dot com. Slash REM is where you can get these. You don't wanna miss out because the first one sold out so quickly don't miss out it. Really? Yes, dinner super quickly as people love. Actually think people will buy the one with me on jets guess it's awesome. All right, pod swag, dot com. Slash REM by it. From chronic to collapse town and into now respectively. That is this is, are you talking REM remade the comprehensive and encyclopedia compendium of all things REM. This is good rock and roll using. Welcome back. Exciting episode today. Our final episode for a little while for how long? Exactly do you think? I don't know whenever we get back together whenever we can find time. I mean, it's been a while since we since we've. Since we've recorded? No, it's only it's only been a week for our trusted listeners unless they are binge listening to these, but we haven't seen each neither hide nor hair of each other for a few weeks did see, I saw your hair. I sell your height as well. Was it is this for tomorrow? Is this smart? Oh, wow. Yeah. So yeah, we're last minute recording session. Knowing we had to get an app out, you were out, get nip out. You were on vacation. I believe they case. Will they case? Do you mind telling us where you were? I do. Okay. I know I was in the great state of California on vacation. Were you just hanging out at home? Yup. Well, then why couldn't we know up at lake? Arrowhead? Oh, I have been up there once that. It's beautiful up there. It's terrific in my memory, and, hey, guess what? What it's only what an hour and a half away. Is that real a real hour and a half, or is that solid hour and a half you're standing beside a lake. Just, hey, it's only a duck. You're forcing a duck to. To flog raw itself? Yeah, I'm trying not to curse this episode. Your wise as well. Because since the last time we saw each other, I've taken a vow of silence as far as curses are concerned. Okay, so and he's gonna curse. Then you go into your valve side. Do a vow of silent. And how long does that last? As long as the curse would last exactly timed out all of the curses I wrote them down. Okay. How many seconds do we have. Written down here. Okay, so this, this one, you can't say it obviously, but this is poo poo and how and what's the what? How many seconds is this one? Well, if I were to put it in a sentence, hey, mommy, I need to go. That's exactly how long. Okay. So how many seconds is that? Would you estimate or estimate point three point, three point zero three or or just point? Three point, three point, three point, three, Infinity. Oh, sounds like what I blew last night point. Three in video. Yep. This is an episode of point three, Infinity, oh, and get might be. Hey, everyone welcome. Two point, three, Infinity. Oh, this is Scott. And this is Scott, and we're talking about point three one. What are we talking about? Three Finnity. Oh, it's the most popular number in this room right now. Oh my God. It's so many zeros. Well, the thing that's interesting about it is that you save you put the decimal point there. Sure. And then you put any number you want. Sure. And the thing that people don't realize is the number following that number that you put right after right after the decimal at your phone? I think those my computer, I'm sorry, the thing that you know, I say we work very hard recording point. Three Infinity. Oh yeah. And for you to leave your computer noises on while we record is very, very root. Yeah, it's, it is rude. In fact, you're being fucking route. I am. I being rude. You're being. Wait. How long was that? That is a point for it's a little longer than. Oh, pooh-poohed. Okay, I get it. Okay. So anyway, you were saying, look, this could be like, this might be an episode of great bits. Everyone welcome to great bids. This is sky and this is Scott, and we're talking about great bits and we were just in the middle of one, oh man. This whole like vow of silence thing. If we can just step outside of the the, the the, yeah, the. Interesting. I come up with his vow of silence bid. I came up with it a couple of weeks ago is up in lake Arrowhead. I was out kayaking. I was in a kayak and always thinking, what are some new need to work up? Some new comedy bits is a Pailin room. Is it not? Yeah, it's the same words spelled backwards forwards and sideways. I love looking at that sideways. Nothing like a sideways kite. I love to watch it leave and again, another great bit. Another great bid right there. Yeah, you you talk to me before we ever even started episode. One of this thing slip that in somewhere in the run kayak bit. Yeah, the guy I'm glad that we finally got to. It's a nice kayak junk. It's a good show. And when you say chunky meet approximately thirty five seconds? Yes. All right. This is great bids by. All right. This is point three, Infinity. Oh, bye bye. So, yeah. Okay. So any other curses on the, that's the only one you wrote down was pooh-pooh. That's right. That's as far as I've gotten you, but that's the only curse I really use. Yeah. So you can say any of the other ones. Oh, great. Okay. Including the c word, which word is that. I'm not going to say if you're talking to say no, I can say any word except except pooh-pooh God's right. All right. Good. Good. This is a a wonderful show today. This is our final episode for a bit of time. We are going to a little later going to be covering. REM's best of record their final record. They put out as a group. It is called a part lies part heart part truth, part garbage. Nine hundred eighty two through two thousand eleven, and we're going to be going through track by track and also discussing the three new songs. The last songs that REM ever put out. So. Listen to that this, the thing you're listening to also a little later. You and I are going to be ranking all of our EM's albums in terms of how how much we like them. Yup, individually. And then we're also going to give our top ten list top ten REM songs from the IRS era, then the Warner Brothers era through bilberries departure and through the final albums without Bill Berry, and then we will talk about our top ten REM songs of all time. Yeah, so three phases of top ten lists and then are like, what would you? What would you call the the? The complete us come just fleetest top, just the right up? Ten REM songs of all time. Okay. So if anyone would argue that we are not completed, it's I would present this episode as exhibit one just shove. This in someone's face if dare say, I'm allowed to say but. Oh, good, good. We also have a an interesting surprise a little later in the show after that, hopefully if we can get to it. But there's a couple of things that I want to get to here before we go on. A couple of EPs ago or one. Epic? No is it was last week. We got very excited seeing mail dot com. Yeah, was up for purchase? Yeah. And we said, by the time, the episode came out and we'd we'd recorded the episode quite ahead of its release at least a week if not a ten days or so ahead of the release. And we said, no matter what the cost we were gonna get it. And by the time the episode was released. Mail dot com would be hours and it would be all about r. e. m. a. l. e. m. a. l. e. dot com because we stumbled across it or or a engy Ryan over here claims he stumbled across it and we found out that there was a little letter on it saying if you're interested in, but finally it's available if you're interested contact us about purchasing this domain name. Okay. We we reached out. Yeah, and heard nothing. I'm back so we were stymied what can we do? Know what? What is a person supposed to do in a situation? Like track them down somehow. I be, you know, we did what we could. We reach out through the Email. I will say that not a not mere hours ago at him. We received a response and I can. I can read it to you if you like. Hello. We will consider any six-figure offer. Thanks william. Are you serious? I'm serious that an Email is an Email that we received. Any any six zero big you're off. So could be nine hundred ninety? Nine thousand nine hundred ninety. Nine dollars could be one hundred thousand dollars or it could be zero. Zero zero zero. Zero point dollar. That's what I was saying. Where's the decimal. Okay. Who I mean? I don't know what web done done. Yeah. So what are we gonna go fifty fifty and I say that I mean fifty dollars and you the rest ninety. Nine hundred ninety nine thousand nine hundred ninety. You know if he's saying six years, so nice. Go seven. Let's go seven. Let's give this to bed. Yeah, just put it to bed that way. No one could ever argue that this is ours. Yeah, they're wiser always be always be like him. Like they only went six figures. And when I when you say seven figures, you mean nine million nine hundred. And I do like is high. Eight eight figure as figures. William eight figures Dun Dun Zo ten million dollars ninety. Nine million. Nine thousand nine million. We're going for it. So until obviously we're going to do this. So keep checking back in with male dot com every every single day. And soon we'll be we'll be hours when will they know that it's ours, what? What? What will change about the site? I think I, I really like this is the way it is quite honestly. So let's keep it keep it the way it is. Yeah. So when you check by the time this comes out, we'll have it will have paid the ninety nine million dollars. We're just gonna keep it the way it is though. Vata certain point, maybe we'll change it. That's up to our discretion. But until then we're just going to keep it the way it is. And if you're interested in. Purchasing it from us. You can still Email this guy at Grun dyke at Yahoo dot com. This guy do you have the Dongo by the way? Did we get that? I, this is a really cool website just the way it is. It is looking really good. I mean there's not a lot in terms of the male anatomy or I mean, the guy who runs it. Well, it's William. It's three sentences and they're really cool sentences. They're constructed well, yeah. What are the sentences? It says now for the first time ever comma, mail dot com is available exclamation Mark. You can stake your claim to this highly recognizable and easy to brand piece of internet, various pram period. This is a very rare opportunity to own this valuable for letter. We read this last week related to all things male we did. We didn't like three weeks in art remember, but it fascinating stuff, but we we'll have bought it worth reading again really is, but speaking. Worth reading for the first time a fan by the name of grant Preuss e? Oh yeah. Grant grant proceed. You know grant. Yeah, he sent us a song that he wrote. He he via tweet. He says, thanks so much for doing the show, brought him so much joy for the past few months. And he wanted to thank us by recording a custom version of one of his new favorite songs. He discovered thanks to the podcast, so you want to hear this. Yeah. All right. Here we go. Family. See. You. One. Early and the news. Travis. How good it feels to have already. So awesome. Twenty five more seconds. That's great. That's great grant. Thank you so much, man, holy cannoli, a fitting tribute to our final episode here. Thank you so much grant. I'm sure you have other. What am I trying to say? Other songs out there somewhere on soundcloud or something. I bet. So thanks so much to grant for that. I have some other stuff that is really good. So it sound like also like that's a really good song. Yeah, better than REM's were. Oh, yeah. I mean, because it's about us. Yeah. Okay. Here's something else I wanted to bring up. Now a few weeks ago since our last recording on Twitter earn, sorry on Instagram. You've been very busy on Instagram about six pictures in the last couple of weeks? Yeah. Yeah, we have. You tweeted a picture of, I guess, a your laptop or something you're watching stand by me. Oh yeah. And you write a lot going on in the world, but we can all take comfort in the fact that this movie holds up. Yeah, right. Okay. So then I wrote as. Who cares? I know I wrote who gives a shit. Okay now, and then let's listen the, some of these replies to people get mad at you. Here's some of these replies, get mad at you. Wonderful. Goof says, obviously, you. And then. I'm no immaculate. Trevor says, your mum does and let spend the night together, pods Hasbro, or you come. And Shinichi none. None your business says, why don't you go home and fuck your mother? Some more. This is the kind of fan that you like to have on your Instagram? Well, that that's a line from the movie. I hope you'll remember. Oh, it is. Okay. Well, that's all right then, but still, I mean, that's pretty pretty hard. Yeah. Creepy dealings says you're being fucking rude says here being fucking feels good anyway, a lot of hate coming my way favorite. Your comment. Breezy be says, hey, everyone. Any comment is instantly funny and amazing if you have a blue check by your name this. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, it is. I will say I showed stand by me to my kids and it was cool watching it with them because great movie and they were like this movie's. Awesome. Lot of cursing, right? A lot of cursing and smoking and general, you know, misbehavior. Lolly gagging. Yeah, actually, no, no, no. They get to business, right. I'll business with those kids right on the road. He really, there's one other thing that I wanted to mention and gosh, I wish I could have found this before we started recording, but. Okay. So since our last episode came out sharp, I viewers and they were sharp-eyed instead of listening because they tracked down your postings on the RAM message board. What they tracked down your final posting on the REM message only posted like once or twice? Yeah. Okay. So let me find this, but you had on murmurs dot com. Probably. I don't know which one it's from, but you had. I don't think I ever posted anywhere you had you had basically posted when collapse into now came out. You had posted that you thought it was their final album. You thought it was them saying goodbye and sleep so. And they have that? Yes, they found they found all of this how I will. First of all your your screen name is pretty basic. What is it? I'm trying to find her, I know, but it's, it's basically like a Scott. Oh, okay. There you go. There you go. I think I'm created an account just to make that posting. So maybe I did it in a hurry. So but but the other funny part of it is is, is there one respond? No, there are quite a few responses and all of them saying, like, I think you're reading way too much into this very snarky. So is that is that true that that is true? That's the way I remembered it, but I couldn't be sure if I was pooh-poohed. You were definitely pooh-poohed. And you know, originally when you told me the story, I was like, this guy wasn't pooh-poohed, but by the way you just said poo poo. So looking forward is currently looking for it. I thought it was a little more accessible, but I'm looking for who found it. So some some fans and they sent it to our message board. That's great. And so so there were some people saying like, oh, no, you're reading too much into it. No, that's not really what's happening. And then when they broke up, you then wrote another like a follow up to no way. Yes. And you said and this is great. I wish I could. I can't find it. Actually, I'll tell you, I, I'll paraphrase it. You said, hey, guys looks like I was right too bad. This is a bummer anyway, watch parks and rec this week because there's a special reference to REM in it. I don't think that was me. I okay. Maybe I don't think it was you, I don't, but and then people underneath saying like, hey, you were right. Sorry, I was so dismissive of you at first. Okay. I definitely remember doing the first one. The second one I don't remember, nor does it sound like me? I would do that, but it it could be. It could be we'd need. I really wanna see, we're gonna. We're gonna get the forensic on this. I know it's on. It's on our message board somewhere, but I can't engineer Ryan a look forward. That's so interesting that they found. I guess it doesn't sound like it was hard to find just didn't know this message boards even existed anymore. Yeah, I don't. I don't know how they found it. They just like put up a picture going, wow, look, look what we found. He was real wonder if even one person was like, hey, maybe it is them saying goodbye. I don't. Yeah, I wonder. I don't know. All I saw was a screen Gress green. So I four like people like calm down. Yeah. And then you then you got the apology on the back. End of like, literally, no one says is on the internet. They're like, sorry, I was so dismissive, right, right. I remember I was one hundred percent. Sure. Yeah, that this was them saying goodbye. And the fact that that just Mike mizzen Michael Stipe were doing press was like they're already done. They're done Zo the hate each other now. Well, you you were right. They were wrong. So congratulations. I think they were. It was all very no is I'm sure as amicable but so we have one last thing to do before you before we go to break little housekeeping, little. Do you mind tiding. Pillows, we have. We have a very special surprise and you. You texted me yesterday with with this news and I was over the moon. Over the man on the move because because we've been talking about this for the delay, do you need the dangle into your computer to hear you? So this is. So this is something that we've been talking about since the early episodes and you've been saying, I gotta find good. But you texted me yesterday can do it at my computer. Why not? Just going to narrate your entire fucking life for me, but you you. I was so excited because he's found you you found your wedding CD playlist. Well, my friend hunt Baldwin founded, oh, no hunt. I used to play poker with him and he. So he found the CD. Did you put out like an AP to all of your friends know he listens to the show, so I think I might have nice and he found it, but it wouldn't play on any players. Old was shitty, and those only last like five years. Burnable ones. The CDs in general lasts a long time because they put some sort of protective coating on it or whatever. But the ones that you used to burn for people are really only supposed to last for like a number of years. That's so shitty. Like, why tell me. But he couldn't get it to to to work any anywhere. So he had his son try to fix. They're trying to fix like, how do you fair? They're multi CD changer. Remember those, right. Yeah, yeah, talks we've talked with one hundred hundred hundreds. Yeah, three hundred. He had like a five CD, right. Yeah. So he sent me a photo of their five CD change your taken apart on the floor of their living room because his son was trying to fix it because that was the one that was the problem. Well, no, they were trying all different CD players, but this is I think this was the last one. Okay. Hadn't tried yet, but what they, what they did was he and his wife Claire. Try. They listen to try to hook struggle, could just sort of make out there. The the playlists someone in the room, if the audience. So they could kind of make out the playlist of the songs on a computer and then I was able to relate and the the final, so. Got it. It's not as embarrassing as you'd expect it to be expected? Embarrassing, some embarrassing moments, the whole thing's kind of embarrassing. Okay. I never printed the playlists out for everyone because I wanted them to Justice. That's embarrassing, right. I love it and hug kept it. He's, he's like the ten percent. The kept we have one too, but I remember like a few years ago trying to play, it wouldn't. It wouldn't work as well. Okay, so, but now you know what it is, you can play it in your eye tunes. I've got it. Oh, I don't know why the playlists had disappeared as well because you deleted it, but why would I have done that? Would you do anything? Why do I get up in the morning? Okay. So this is a why? Oh, this is the other thing. Yeah, I was speaking with your lovely, wife, Naomi. Yeah, the other day and she she and this is the reason why we gotta get her in the studio. Yeah, she dropped a bombshell about this wedding playlist what she told me that the you're inspired to make it because Dave Navarro and what's her name. Carmen Electra made one for their guests on their wedding reality show. What and you said at the time you're there in the room and you said, I don't remember that. And now you don't even remember her saying, if you know it's, it's certainly coming back to me now, but no, I that's not true. She. She swears that as watch that show, they had like a reality show about them getting married, but you remember that I did not watch it, nor was I inspired to make different. You were inspired to do anything with your life from that. No impact on me whatsoever. I mean making a seat mix. CD for your wedding is not a revolutionary idea who who is a more reliable witness, someone who doesn't remember something or someone who remembers something. That's ridiculous. It makes no sense. But I mean you obviously the brain is a funny thing. You just like forget things me or anyone's. Yeah, you know so. But if someone remembers something, I listen to them, I can see why she would think that that's where it came from. She's crazy. You know that she also just usually goes to the most ridiculous explanation for anything having to do with me and okay. She also told me by the way that you've talked about the festival which we've talked about on this show a lot with her. I can't talk about by the way new new movie came out. We should watch about it. Oh, yeah. Eighty two. Oh, is that nothing year? You're there? You're there eighty three eighty three. Okay. Sorry about. That all right. Anyway, let's go through this playlist. Okay. We have the wedding was in Hawaii on the island of sounds beautiful. Okay. So that's by the way. Cares that explains the first song. Okay. Okay. And this is two thousand five. So this song had not yet become a classic yet. So is it knowing as it is now? I wanna fuck you like an animal. Oh my God. I so wish. What if someone out there getting married by the way. Heading CD in the gift in everyone flowers and everything. And then when you put it on the very first thing is I wanna fuck you like an animal and everyone's like, is this the raise? It's fuck you like an animal eleven times. Anyone does that anyone anyone we will come to come to the wedding? Yes, no, we'll we'll come out will like, well way. We'll bring Todd glass. He doesn't. He can bring drummer. Yep. Yep. Oh, how great would that be? If we are for hire for weddings, we come. We wave and Todd plays music with drummer and lurks. I do. I would do it depending on is I would do it. To do it anywhere in the continental United. Gonna go to Hawaii on this. No, I would go to Hawaii, Puerto Rico. Okay. But not not Alaska anywhere, but Alaskan go to Alaska like Alaska. I've been there. We'll do only in Alaska if you're getting married in Alaska. A lot of e we'll get Todd glass and we will be this. We will be mix CD. It has one of q like an and you can't. The song list you tip anyone off, want them to experience. You also cannot tell the person you're getting married to that. That's that's happening. And you have to just put it in their wills, and we'll show up on our time. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Hold on. Hold on ways to pay for it. Can we talk off Mike? Okay. Let's talk up by. Okay. You said on our does that mean we have to pay for it? I thought we would pay for it. Is that what on our on. Okay, great. All right. What do we have on this? Okay. Wedding, CD track number one. Again, this is two thousand five. Got it. Not as we could game embarrassing as it is now. Remember, this is in Hawaii. Okay. This is not as well known as it is now. Okay. Okay. Oh, this is the yes. Does it do? What does he is? He still with us Israel. No, he passed away a few years ago, right? Yes. Now it's been in tons of ads. Sure, yes. And I think for a good portion of the people at the wedding, hearing it here may have been one of the first star Sunday ever heard it. Yeah, but now and it goes into what a wonderful world. Yes, very well. Okay. Now it's a cliche, but it's a beautiful song is beautiful, beautiful, especially like driving on the coast of coli. Sure. I've never done that. I'm not as rich as you but drive. I can't afford ally since. Oh my God. You have an extra twenty dollars. I'll give you twenty dollars if you need twenty dollars. Yes. Okay. Number two. I'm breathless within -ticipant. Nick Drake. No. Okay. And tuck evolve. Things we did today. I don't think I notice he. And laugh about funny. We have a few minutes to pre nice what it is. It's ten, you must. But darling. Home, sue couldn't to Wade extreme. Doddle homes. Don learn every song on this playlist has the word Donald. But I've been waiting since. This is just about to hit us. Or is there no course. They're kind of isn't a chorus. Interesting. What is it? It's darling beome soon by the Lovin. Spoonful. Spoonful. Yeah, I use it as a funny comedy reverence for while, but I don't believe I've ever heard any. In what way would you refer to it? I would make fun of my old manager because he was sold such a hippie. That was his favorite band. Say, I'm not interested in hearing about the loving spoonful just tell me about this deal and then you fired him. Okay. Song number three, not as obscure. Here we go. Oh, wait. Here's a course. Kind of, okay, here's though it's cool. Spoonful. Giant hit. You don't even know here's song number three. Okay. Classic. Mike me boogie is this in like on every wedding, ZD thing? Pretty much probably. Although I think we did a different version. We who did we you on your wedding? Well, it was in or we didn't put out a CD that we had like a songs playing folk pimple during the ceremony. I think who did our version was a cover. I can't remember. You told me this, maybe I can't recall. It's not the high caste to people telling the six. Over and over. Spanking battle song number four. Spend Morrison? Yeah, sweet thing. Van more son. I like them more than I gotta get more into because I, I don't really know much about, you know what really sold me on van, not. Not me. Performance where he just rambles. No, what is that? I need to see. Here's just. That's. I didn't really know who he was, and then he played one of his classic songs and he just kind of like mumbling in in gibberish almost. I'll find. I'll find because you can get like the best of all the hit singles, which are terrific. I know. Yeah. Let me tell you about best records. Talking to get the best of which is all the songs and no one's ever heard of. What would you scroll weeks leave? I have Astro Lester bangs wrote this whole essay on Astro weeks, and so I went out and got it. One that really kind of got me. I like it is in song. See, it's not be more interesting. This was more there is some embarrassed. Okay. All right. What are we next selling number five. Right. No, this either. Wilco. California star? Oh yes. Is this really bragging? Well, this is, yeah. This is from the mermaid smile. Avenue. Wonder, what am I e? X t c song mermaid smiled. Okay. All right. Saw numbers six. Love this one, big star, thirteen. I like to Elliott Smith version probably favorite version. I like this version or well, fuck you. God dammit. This is one of. Faves. Ooh, this is about the age that you met Naomi. Yeah. We've been together since we were thirteen years old. Okay. So so far not bad are. Yeah, good. I'm enjoying it. It's very it. Airs on the side of tasteful. Yeah. Boring. Maybe I, I'm, I'm genuinely enjoying this plays I I'm your target demo for and I poured over this from us leading up to the wedding, and it starts to fall apart in a couple songs to dismantle what's next. This is the seventh. Soem seven on playlist play a song. Seven. Just before you get kissed. Adam is doing air guitar. I don't know this Lenny guests the band. Close dylan. Yeah, but it's a. A version that I heard until it's Deion George Harrison doing this. You brought this up on earlier episode? Yeah. What song is it if not for you if not for you, please you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's not. I liked the song a lot. It's my favorite version. Wedding playlist of I wanna fuck you like an animal eleven times and then raping women, what's very, very. Very. All right. Now, next song is this word starts Paul? No. Okay. Oh, beautiful, electrolyte. Here we go. All right. We all know this one still so far, so good. And then this is a nice. It's odd choice. Okay, right after electrolyte, weird. Al. Okay. Is this from the movie? Yeah. So it's Audrey Hepburn. Singing moon river, right from breakfast at Tiffany's. Yes. Henry Mancini classic. Yes. But breakfast at Tiffany's is not a particularly meaningful or movie to you or Naomi. Okay. Nor is this song I love the song. Got a nice feel. I love the song mostly because REM did a version of it. That's where I fell in love with one of their lease successful covers as well. Fan club stuff, not that one. It's it's actually a live version that got me. Oh, bingo, hand, John. Okay. But I like this. I wouldn't maybe made this the track one because it's produced so dissimilar -ly from everything. It's almost like an intro, you know, but I needed quibble with your sequence. I needed something to power because it's different from here on out. Okay. What are we gonna ex. Talking you to me here. Yeah. How is it different? How would you say it's different? I would say this falls within the same general like electrically on everything else is pretty up to this point. Up to this point. I also I really wanted to include this next song. Okay. That would to jarring without something like leading the way into different fields. What what's so much more produce the next. I don't think this is something you will recommend jealous. Your anyone's low. Those big with me. Willie Nelson from which record? Not the stardust Castro Tayo. True. It's the Daniel. Okay. Willie Nelson. I don't have this record. Sounds good. It is good. Chain out right when we started dating. And so it was meaningful. Yeah, yeah. But like this in a little while, I don't know if I would put him on now. Yeah, they're not. It's not embarrassing. It's sort of like they were a little. They were of the time, maybe the classics. Oh, here we go. Great. Emmylou Harris is leading. Yeah, good embarrassed by this it is it's it's it's a little Spacey long, but it's a little much. Okay. Got it. Only need to hear the EMMY Lou come in here. Oh, boy. You ever seen Willie Nelson live? I'd like to. Oh, cool. It's nice. Yeah, it's nice. Okay. Now this is looking back. This is like something that would be on three migos. Yeah. This is where it should. Okay, this is this. This would be eleven songs. Great. Great. You're done. Yeah. Yeah. Just like I wanna. Fuck you. Like an animal times I had to keep going. You gilded the Lilius. Yeah, and the rest is completely scattered shot in makes no real sense. Okay. So here's I tell this song with this one. Still eleven songs is is probably a little short because people are usually be washing the dishes when they listen to this, the dishes there in Hawaii, like on vacation, you expected them to listen to it while they were there? Absolutely. It was a requirement. What is this? Sounds cool l. this Don hose on ho co, why? Which is where everyone's great this. This should have been the leadoff track. Well, we had the. Okay, I love this. Yeah, but I love Hawaiian music. I like like vintage toy like this weird along with all this really last time I was in why we played the Elvis blue Hawaii, Sandra, right. I love that era of fifties. Coli. I have a terrific vintage. Hawaiian album. Not interested. Tell you about. I'm not going to tell you about. This is like, why. Love the song, but. And this is the song if you're going to end end. Yes, because it's saying farewell. Yeah, I mean it was. It was in the Rushmore. It was at the end to wrestle. Right? Was meaningful to us. Yes, it was in Rushmore, but there's no reason. Really? Yeah. It's great, but is reflective upon. It's not like the beginning of something. It's almost a little like the end of something. Yeah. The end of a journey. Some say, this is the end of your dating journey. It just doesn't. It's a sentimental like life saw. Yeah, it's not doesn't really belong on weddings. I've still enjoying. I'm enjoying. I'll always enjoy this. Yeah. All right. What's next? This is a bit of an odd choice and I included it because. Well, the reason is is not totally relevant here the reasons not relevant. I wanna hear this reason now being very dodgy. Three. I love this. I love it too. Seem to think this was out of a bit like deeply embarrassing that this was included. Yeah, hunt though. Isn't Hans. And by the way I know he's listening like a real asshole. You were going to say is any more into like indie music? And yeah, but I think he also appreciates enjoys for spring stay. Right. I think. Does it gets really of the time? Like if very optimistic song, it is the re, but I think this transcends you do not know. Okay. I like it it I don't. I will say cly everything is a little ole over the place and maybe the sound levels or I would have maybe well, this hasn't been treat has many allies. Okay. All do. We have nice deal. It's with a law and this other, it's a little. Then the rest. Yeah. Agree. I agree with that. I wouldn't have included these. Okay. This is. I don't know why this is on your people listening to this show. I don't. This is crazy. Or interest like driving around town or whatever job, you know, working out this thing too, but I'm genuinely enjoying your mix. This is the final saw, and this is, is it the final countdown if you're like, why? Okay. Do this. It's bad. It's not guys check out this cool song. I discovered this band, the Beatles. I mean, it's. That this would be on it. It's definitely not like your other ones which are a little more like cool check this spring song is in cool, but it wasn't really a single so you can get. I feel like you can get away with it of like most people wouldn't have heard it. I mean, everyone loves this song. Also, everyone is sick of this exactly. Turned off right now. Well, still not as bad as I would've. Okay. Why? What did you think it was going to be. More stupid, dumb. I thought you know, maybe would would have had like dialogue from you surreptitiously recording some of your dates, you know, like sort of like the man on the moon soundtrack or it's. He's from our dates from our our yearlong break up. I think it's pretty good. I enjoy. I would listen to it. I would maybe and on waiting on a sunny day and and leave happy, I would have ended on either beautiful coli or the Willie Nelson's. Okay. Still not include the YouTube song? Yeah, maybe you should make one for what? Is it your tenth anniversary yet, or did you already celebrate it? We already did, but I'm not. I don't make a new one. As it out to all your friends. My tenth anniversary is next week. Okay, should make for me all handed out for for you make me, here's here's my pledge to you. Okay. My aunt, my anniversary is literally a week from Friday. Okay. Make me a new playlist use some of these songs. If what is some of them if you want, you know what? Knowing like they say in the song you wish that you knew what you knew now, what is it that I knew what I know now? So when I was younger, yes. So now you know how to make a better place. I'm not gonna wait on a sunny, damn just going to do this right now. Okay. Just do it right now. Okay. But if not for you, I wouldn't be doing this God only. It's not for you. And you know make one of the songs about me as well. Sweet thing is okay. Yeah, what is the thing? Nothing. Okay. Look, we have to take a break. That was good. I enjoyed that atom. We have to take a break. When we come back, we're going to be going through all of the. Their best of and talking about what we like about it, and we're also going to be talking about our top ten REM songs. We'll be right back with more. Are you talking REM Reimi. We'll be back in a little while. Hey, Adam. Do you know Andy daily? I do. How? How do you know I know him. We were really, really tight in the sixties. Oh, okay. Yeah, summer of love. Yeah. Anything goes man, we you name it. We gave it a shot. Okay, name. It played. Monopoly gave it a shot. Didn't work. Didn't work out what happened? He didn't understand the rules and I didn't follow the rules. Okay. You understood them, but you you're dancing between the raindrops. That's right. Well, Andy has a new show that we want to tell everyone about. It's actually season two. It's an old show, but new episodes of an old show. Does that make sense? I, I don't get it. So you're not following what I'm saying at all. Okay. Well, he has an old show. Oh, called the anti daily podcast pilot project, it was like four years ago, big hit. He did about six episodes, eight episodes, something like that, then abandoned it. And as far as I'm concerned, abandoned his comedy career. Okay, went into exile exile in retirement. I get it. He's back with season two of this show and it is now coming out for free on your wolf. Here's the premise, Andy and Matt gorlic. Matt Gourley. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, they are sent tapes of pilots for podcasts. Okay. They're all inconsideration to become your wolf podcasts, but really all of these quote pilots unquote are loosely scripted, improv centered on one of Andy's characters. For instance, episode one is cowboy poet, Dalton, Wilcox. We also have done to mellow and Trillo Quist axe Gillan golly health teacher, Joe Bongo Scottish tour guide Cameron mcgonigal's so many great characters that Andy does and ear will fans have been asking for more episodes for years. He is back now season. Two is out in podcast apps right now. It's an incredible, incredible achievement. I'm on one of them if I don't know whether that entices you or. Not really. But you can skip that one. Yeah, I'll skip that one. We listen to the others. Yeah. So you really interested? I can't wait in things that I'm not. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Why like Star Wars so much. Hey, I have. So the tell you what I'm in nine God dammit. I play Darth Vader junior. Darth Vader's June. So listen to and subscribe to the daily podcast project in Stitcher apple podcasts or wherever the fuck you as in. Welcome back. All right. Adam and Ryan here, our trusty friend who's done ninety percent of the episodes with us. He tracked down the message board right on. Okay. So do you want? Do you want me to say what your username is or. No? Well, it's no longer. It's no longer. Okay. It's AP Scott. Okay. And you write pretty sure this song is the ban saying goodbye to us the fans in regards to all the best. Is is there a subject line? Yeah, all the best goodbye. I remember that. Yeah. Okay. The first person really pretentious says the narrator should never be confused with the author. Mike said, they'll meet in a couple of months and discuss future plans. So everything and nothing is possible. Michael once wrote these lines, I longed for this to take me. I longed for my release. I waited for the call in to leave. Leave. Leave, leave, leave, leave, and leave and leave and nearly fifteen years down the line. They're still here. Yuck. That. I don't. I don't. I don't know who it is. It's registered, oh Knox and an excellent. You remembered the people on this message board don't by the way you have twenty five posts. It says really so twenty-five over all time. Well, not bad. I mean, in terms of like you not spending your entire day on the guys. I don't remember. I remember Maggie has seven hundred four postal. Okay. So then let me let me read one other guy. What what they say ma-ma. Where is it? Whereas it, whereas it, whereas it, okay, the the next person says, surely, then it should have been the last song on the record. Anyways. Why do a lot of people seem to think they'll announce when they're to retire in asong song, press conference. Anyone? It's not like Bill Berry told the lads he wants out and they said, fine. But could you hold on till Michael fines and obscure lyric to place in verse on the next album? Well, I will say that on October third, two thousand eleven. He quotes his own message board posting and says, how fucking wrong was I and condescending apologies. Oh, wow, that's nice. And someone says, I'm pissed off at a p Scott was writes all a bunch of stuff. And then very last, very last post on this topic. AP Scott, January eighth, two thousand twelve. Was I right? Or was I right? Couldn't be sadder that I was right on parks and rec this week, Thursday at eight thirty. There's an awesome REM referenced by the way. Wow, that's you. My man, I do not remember. I wonder what the reference was. Do you remember someone should look what the episode was think it may be cause Mike and the riders would put an REM reference. I think they did it like twice runs maybe twice just because I think Mike was also like in REM fan, but I think some of writers thought it was funny. I think it was an episode where I'm like, DJ -ing eighties port or no. There's one reverence when I DJ eighties party than there's another reference where it's supposed to be in eighties party at a roller rink, and I'm, I've stopped listening, so I'm gonna send this to you and you can by the way you can look up your entire post history just by clicking on your username, I'm sure, but so I thought the website was no. I don't know I I was able to access the via Ryan over here, so. Great. So congratulations. Thanks to Ryan for that and congrats you for being right. That's fun that you're right, right. Thank you. Ryan. God is so weird so weird to see something like that. I know, man. All right. So we've come to this is when we're going to go through this is the very last record ever made by the band. This is. I mean, it's not their last official release because they put out a few. They put out a few things like archival releases since then, but this is their last record that they put out with new material. Yeah. When they broke up, they had this like ready to go came out like a month after they announced their break. It was. They had been planning it and this is called part lies part heart part truth, part garbage hundred eighty two through two thousand and eleven, and it's the best record in the title refers to something that Peter dollar Bill was talking about the band itself, and I guess what their music is like and what their their whole egos is like has. A band and he sort of rift that. And so they used it as the title for this. And this is the first best of that used both their IRS songs and their Warner Brothers songs together, which you know if you wanted a best of our end there several out there. But you know, either or situations, you know what I'm saying? So this was the, I mean, when I say either or. So this is a double disc retrospective released on November eleventh, two thousand eleven. You're still reeling when this comes out, right? I mean, you're still really that you're so right. I just couldn't believe how ride I was on the murmurs. But so. So when you heard about the band, did we talk about this in a previous episode? How bummed you were about it? I remember your tweet about it, and I don't think we I. 'cause I remember I was on the set of bachelorette this Leslie Hedlund movie. Right. And I saw I saw it on Twitter, my friend Mack Montaigne than I think texted me, don't have to make people by the way this like a. Your friend in Canada? He, I think he texted me. It was like to what's going on, and I saw that and I, I tweeted something, but then I also went around to people on set, and I was like, can you believe REM broke up and people on the bachelorette and almost I most the the, the reaction I got overwhelmingly was wait is they're still together and it was so depressed or either that or. Oh, well, listen, let's yeah. In this shoddy wanna I felt very alone area and it was. It was sad because it really was like, this is your favorite band for since one thousand nine hundred eighty seven and this is two thousand and eleven. I mean this is twenty four years of your life. I mean yeah. And in two thousand eleven is more than half your life. Yeah. And so I, I was. I was genuinely bummed about it. And you were in you tweeted about it? I think reaching out to try to get some sympathy from like minded individuals and there were none. I remember your tweet, sort of it was like. So sad to see them go the best American rock band of the last twenty five years. Something like that. That's what I said. And I, I said, the best American rock and roll band ever in of all time. Right. And I got some. I got some some some shit for, but a lot of people say like name better one American rock and roll band. Lovin spoonful. Right? Exactly. The doors. I mean, I think boys, I think people I, you know, obviously music is fun to talk about because we have done it on this show. Ad infinitum. Is that how you say it or in infinitum, but. The one thing about it anytime you tweet about music people get so snotty about it? Yeah, don't. They just subjective, you know, like. You know, like you don't. You don't gotta make fun of a guy just for liking REM you know, maybe people like pavement, better, whatever, you know, who cares? Guided by voices. You know, whatever, you know. Yeah, maybe REM is not really that good in there. You know, it's kind of odd that you spend so much of your time thinking about them. Yeah. All all all correct. But anyway, it was a sad day and then they came out with this. Did you pick it up immediately. Yeah, I, yeah. And they had their what? Three new saw three new songs. So when you did you hear about the new songs beforehand, like there are going to be three new songs where you excited by it. I don't know how psych die was about it just because it was a best of, but really wanna hear those songs. So I'm right. Preordered it or whatever race do when they're excited about something. Well, let's go through it. It's two discs. And the first disc starts off obviously with the IRS stuff, but then it's not a full IRS disk because about two thirds of the way through it goes to the Warner Brothers stuff. Wow, it does doesn't it? Yeah. So let's let's hear the tracks. We're not gonna listen to them all necessarily as much as talk about if we now he, here's, here's my view of a best of like this is that I think it should have every song that a casual fan should one. Okay, that it should have the famous songs the ones that you know, I am not neces-. -sarily interested in the best of that has like choice. Album tracks necessarily as much as on something like this. I want all of the famous REM saw, yes, I think it should have every single one of the hits plus the cultural hits, even if you don't like them as much, I think they they need to be on their, yes, and they had a best of the in time best of the Warner Brothers years where they didn't include shiny happy people and they went and they and they include some stuff that don't deserve to be on there. So I think on something like this, which is an archival like, hey, this is the best of not only of our newer stuff at our old stuff. Yeah, I think it should just be the just be ten for that purpose. I think they did a pretty good job. I think it's like seventy five percent. There's a couple issues. I okay. So let's start it off. This is the first track. This is gardening. The and here we go. So gardening night from product town. This was the hits. This was on the economists best of so great choice from chronic sound, but this is the version from chronic down, right? Not the opponents version which had a different vocal. I actually prefer the the different vocal. Yeah, I like the chronic town version. This is, oh, it is. Okay. I like the. Fucking story street. Now. It would be perjury. This is a perjury trap, bro. Okay, so but but great choice from chronic. Would you quibble at all? Would you put anything else on from chronic town or. Yeah, I would have put. Boxcars boxcars. Yeah, I think gardening and I was a bigger hits a bigger hit, so it. Okay. Yeah. All right. Next up radio for Europe. The hit version from murmur. Great obviously needs to be on here and. And a great great version. So ticking all the boxes. Okay. And then coming up from track three, we have. This has to be on. Here's a hit though later eighty-seven when it was on opponents murmur. But. Be on here and then rounding out our tracks from murmur we have sitting still, which is, I would say not was never a radio hit. Yeah, even though it was it was a single. So I think deserves to be on here as one of their greatest songs. I mean, it's incredible. Do. I mean someone that's never really heard the band or someone that likes this show and doesn't know where to start. This is a great. This is a good thing to get. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So then from reckoning we have two tracks from reckoning first off is and this has to be on here. Of course, south central rain. I'm sorry. Yeah. Has to be there, then we go into, don't go back to Rockville another one that good choice, great choice. You can't do a best of without this. This was played all the time. Is there anything else from reckoning you would have put on there? I would have I made a different sequence orient best. I would put seven Chinese brothers said a single though. I don't know, but it was a hit as far as I. I mean, everyone's saying when I was growing. Okay. Feel like it was, what would you put on? I think these are for this sort of thing. I think these are the two songs, but if I was at another probably would be pretty persuasion. Yeah, but I think this is a fine representation that album. Yeah, and seven Chinese brothers probably wasn't wasn't hit. I don't know why everyone kind of knew where when I grew up maybe. Okay. So this is from fables. We driver eight? Yeah. This is a hit. His got to be on there. I mean, this is this is REM in a nutshell. Yeah. In your nutshell, in my this is our EM in nut sack. If that's how they marketed. That would be weird. Okay. Then. I'm not sure what you're gonna think of this choice. The second song they use from fables is life and how to live it. I think it's a great choice. It was a single. I love the song, but but I don't know what else from fables. They're from year. Oh, yeah. That's nowhere to be found on serious emission. They don't like it or something. I don't know exactly what not one of my favorites, but it's a big hit. It was a hit for them at the time. Yeah, yeah. So a little odd. That's bizarre. I would have included three from that album. What else would you? Oh, so you would have put in because it was a hit. College radio? Yeah. Okay. Next up from lifes rich pageants. We have begin the begin. It's nice hearing something else from lifes rich pageants because upon them just had fallen me. Yeah. So it's good to get two tracks. This was not a single, not mistaken was it, but I don't what else, man and fall, but that's another quite frankly, a series emission superman should have been on this, but it's a cover. So. Really knows the original. It should be on your should be on yet, but I can see why they would leave it off next up. We have fall on me obviously. Has to be on your. Yes. All right. Then we go to the tracks from document, and I think they picked the three from document that you have to put on here. You have finest works on, but not the horn mix. Absolutely not. And we also have. That's great. What if they put a best of together of their whole career and they did not include the song. I mean. Remember the the, the beastie boys and Thala. Gee, I believe they call it which was there to disc best of and they look even day had to put on fight for your right to party. And in the liner notes, they were like, we put the song on because it sucks. Ha ha. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, we were barris by, but here it is like even if they hated it, they would have to put on. All right. And then of course, rounding out the tracks from document you have. So aside from superman and can't get there from here. Yeah, great, great. Good list from the from the IRS era I would have if they're only putting two songs from. From from license pageant I would take out. Begin began and put in super superman just because agreed even though begin the begins a better song and agreed, but superman everyone. Yes. Saying that summer I would put three songs from that and fables on their late. What the forward are we save in space for exactly. All right. So then we move into the again just to remind you, people are listening to this. Yes, this is something that people actually like, okay, then we go into green. We have four tracks from green, which when you see the four, you can't really dispute you have of course song that I'm not incredibly into, but you not on in time or no shiny. I think they put this on. Yeah, you've got to stand. Yeah, giant hit. You also have to put on pop song eighty nine. Yeah, these are the four singles from that album, and then you also have get, okay. Now get up is one is this single? It was a single, but I wouldn't say it was a hit. So you could pop song eighty nine now pups but pop song. Eighty nine being more of orange crush was orange crush was baguettes yeah. But still for completes. I'm glad they put those two on there. So fun. Then you got orange crush. Okay. Then we move onto out of time the massive selling out of time. And we have, of course, the lead single losing my religion. I mean, this is in unstoppable so far. I mean, this is crazy. They're not. They're not. There may be played out to you and I. Casual fan. This is like, this is one one and one CD. Yeah. Okay. So then here's, here's one that I quibble with. Then you have country feedback? Well, it's a band favorite and see that's this is my issue. This isn't. Like so far it's been a best of of these are the tracks. Yeah, but there are some non singles on here so far. This is a non single that is a fan and band faith. But I guess my point is is if you're gonna put on stand and the ones that maybe you don't like all that much anymore, then you're saying like we're just putting out in archive will. Yeah. But I mean from this album, it the other single would have been radio song, so I know. And you don't want to put that on, do you? I don't know. I don't do. I like lots of that song. Yeah, I know. So feel right on the country feedback? Not sure. And then, of course you have the the you have to put this on from this is shiny happy people top ten hit. What do you not gonna put it on, come on. So then the the, the other weird thing about this disc one is it ends on track from automatic for the people. I would ended on stuff from out of time. It's I don't have it as discs just have one long. Okay. This is the final track on disc one. It's Sidewinder sleeps tonight, which is also not a track pick from. I guess because it was a single picked it. I would pick drive rather than Sidewinder because they've got four songs from Matic. And you would pick drive instead of Sidewinder. Yeah, it was pretty. It was a, it was the first single a hit wasn't a hit. I mean, because it was the first single from an REM album was played everywhere. The video was on constantly. I would maybe just not even. I would just pick three from it or find the river because I was a single as well. The river was a single crazy. I would just pick the first three tracks on to which starts off with everybody hurts, which I don't know if I would lead off a CD with everybody hurts as much as I would put men on the moon, but I think you might be the only person listening to this on CD now. But at the time they sold it as a CD and they sold it on, I tunes sure. Okay. And then you go man on the moon, classic. And then you go night swimming. Of course. Yep. So automated gets a nice representation. We can sword. I mean, they had so many singles from it and, but those three were big hits. Okay. I'm seeing some weird selections coming up. Okay. Yeah. So next up, this is fine. It's what's the frequency? Kenneth, this is fine. Absolutely. But then that's the only one from monster they put on. I think you gotta put bang and blame -solutely banging blame was a top ten hit. Yeah, it's crazy. That is bonkers. Yeah, nuts. And that's the only thing for monster. So weird, it's so very weird. Then you go to to new adventures in hi fi, and you have new test leper, bizarre. I know it's a band favourite, but not a single. It was not a single. Oh, interesting. I thought it was, but where's bittersweet me? Where's IBO the letter, the letter and bittersweet me. This is what's going on our, you're losing the plot ear. I mean, e bow the letter is was credible. It's not. It's not one that I necessarily love, but it's one that I certainly heard at the time. Yeah, on MTV and everything is so weird. New test, leper, new test leper, and then you have electrolyte, which is great. We've heard this is second appearance on this episode. Yeah. Weird. So then you go to up and this is this is the weirdest thing to me. The only song from up is at my most. Beautiful. Yeah, no day sleeper, no days slight. Would you not put day sleeper on her crazy, very weird. I don't know. I mean, this was a single, none of them were hits really embarrassed by up at the at the time when they put this out or something. I don't know, probably just had limited space or something do sleeper on years. Weirdos agree. All right. Next up is the great beyond you gotta put it on and then the only track from reveal you have imitation of life wasn't a hit, but was certainly a single and played on MTV a hit everywhere in the world except here. Yeah, but then nothing else from reveal which you know is a bummer. And then you have bad day, which I don't know about. That was definitely a single. It was a single, but it's such a end of the world as we know it kinda rewrite, but people love it. Okay. I can see why pussy. Why I don't. I don't mind it. And then you have leaving New York from around the sun, which is the only single really of note. Got to put that on there. We're okay. Then we go to accelerate. We have two tracks from exceleron. We have, of course, the first track from living well is the best revenge. Great. And then I wasn't a seems also I would have put supernatural, super serious, definitely. But then I would have put hollow man since that was a single man was the single instead of living? Well, yeah, I don't think I think they were just living well was a single, let's cue look up the Wikipedia page for acceler. Oh, I have it right here. Holloman was they had a video and everything. The four singles were supernatural, super serious, Holloman man sized wreath. And until the day is done. But not you are a good representation? I think it's, I think it's better than the others. Yeah. Okay. Then three tracks from collapse into now, which is a little much none of them. None of them were Oberlin was as well. There are no hits there were, no, that's why I think like if you're scrimping on up, why are you putting three songs from sewage? They're, they're proud of it, but the album, it came out the same year. They put this together, so they're probably like into it. But yeah, these are great songs. Great. But in three of the six that I like. Here's my heart. Which is, what would you have put from from collapse into now from collapse into now? If you had to just wouldn't have put three on on a Representative best foot to, I'd put too. Yeah. Uber, Lynn, definitely, probably alligator. I'm not sure alligators next. I don't know that. Oh, my heart belongs on it. It was a single, I believe. I don't think so. I think it was the singles where I'll tell you what the singles work. I right now we talked about this last time. Oh, my heart was a single on February one. Two thousand eleven. Okay, so that that the first single was, what do you call it? It was mine. Smell Honey. Yeah, you're right. Where's that? Might smelly cutting probably should have been on here? Yeah, it's a really poppy mind smell like Honey and mover Lynn, maybe sure. Okay. Yeah, good. Good choices. All right, so that's, that's it. That's where we're out for like and then and then boiled their career down to thirty seven songs. Yeah. So then we have three new ones. And I gotta say putting the new tracks on a best of is it's a dicey proposition. Yeah, you know, because if they don't tell. You who is the most successful at that was hall and Oates on there? What was it? Rhythm and soul part one or whatever they put. They had two new tracks on that. I believe it was adult education and another massive hit, and and you can't argue with those then. And then the killers and their recent best of they had give me a shot at the night, which is great song, but then they put another like one that didn't hit it. Usually if you put two new tracks on a best of one is going to be maybe feeler and one is going to be, but or U2. putting the revamped version of what do you call, we just think, yeah. Yeah, that was a hit though. That was hit in gal once they put it out once they put it out, but we have three new. We have three new RAM songs, and I think I would have just put one on and use the other to be sides, but I- month of Saturday's doesn't make any sense. Listen to, okay. This is a month of Saturday's. This is the first new track and this is you've been waiting to hear this? Yeah, with anticipation. This is a month of Saturdays. Five o'clock, I work is. This sounds like fans. Maybe they are. Say. Like, what are they doing? Okay, it's a demo daily. Didn't finish is, but that's no excuse, it's garbage. It's the garbage in this title. I can't imagine that maybe there. It's a joke. There's just putting on like, I think they just put up anything they had in the votes. They have volts filled with stuff, probably better. I don't know what it is. They must just be saving it for. I don't know, boxed sets like why not put another song on from up and keep a month of Saturday's. My point. Like it's really weird your, yeah, you're, you're, you're, you're scrimping and scrounging on the earlier albums. And then you're putting like this garbage, knowing that people are going to be dissecting pulling these three songs apart. This is a b side at best. Sure, beside find or a fan club. Single. Yeah, yeah. So that's disappear. Weird. So what was your. What was your when you I, I remember just being kind of flung being whatever. Okay. So then the next one is a single I would. I would put this on as the very last track. I love this on this is we all go back to where we belong here a little business. Necks. New. Our stir. James. Is. I can say. Kinda back in that reveal, sort of sound with the strings. Or chorus. They hold the chorus there. They pulled it. Yeah, I think it's really pretty. It's really back Iraq. Yeah, and really sad. It's really sad because it's. Like it's about them breaking up. It also feels like it's about. Listen to the chorus here it is. I guess I don't have a point. You know, you do. Yes, it is. So if that were the ends, I would love it, but then you have how Lucia is their final song that they put on? What do you think of this one. I don't think it's bad. It's probably be side. It feels like in the animal area where it's it feels like it's working progress. It'll something I'd leave. It's a demo as well, but it feels it's a little. It feels a little more done than the other demo, but I think it is a demo. I do like the course. It's interesting. Refrain though it is honestly, I've listened to this at tons, but I do remember thinking they were interesting things in it. Braves. By the time. Brass feels very much like the previous on that in the sort of same general vicinity. Just not as good. So. Goes to an interesting place. Fades out. No gets super feedback and stuff from whatever number we can. Here it guns. I've rallied say, shouted, refrains. Radio. I like it. Yeah, I mean, there you know, I gotta admit I would've loved to hear heard one last jangle song from. Yeah, but you know, I feel like they're probably there's probably a lot of stuff they're saving for other projects maybe and I don't know. I love we all go back to where we belong. Yeah, that's a good song. I think that should have been the only one though. Maybe you know, is you're asking yesterday I make my own eighty minutes per side best of, yeah, sure idea. No, no. We need to go to a brace, basically the same except the things we talked things we talked about. Yeah, but I fit in eighty minutes per side. And and do you did much more than I did? I'm we, you're, you're the one who literally half hour before. So. What is it? What am I supposed to do? All right. We need to take a break. When we come back, we're going to go, we're, this is excited. We're going to rank all of the album's in order of preference, and we're going to do our top ten songs from each era will be right back with more. Are you talking REM remain. Five o'clock Pride Day I work is boy. Oh boy. I can hardly wait. Okay, welcome. I mean, they're having fun. I guess. Welcome back. Are you talking Romy and this is the moment we have all been waiting for. What do you wanna? Do I wanna do albums? Or do you want to do top ten songs of each era? Let's do albums. I think that's better kind of macro way. Okay. So as far as the album's go, I did obviously more work than you in this regard because I've been working on the all these lists for we s okay. So I I've been doing mine as we go along, but I said to myself a few days ago, I said, I don't have the perspective really that I need right now because so many, you know, I was in the weeds albums. So so what I did was I listened to all of them in order over two days starting with starting product town ending with collapse. And if you're wondering that will take you twelve hours forty two minutes and three seconds from my God. I listened to them all in order. And I have to say there were some surprising things that I found that have affected my rankings. Interesting. I don't know what you mean by that. So now we are. What we've done is we have ranked all of their albums, including chronic town, which is an EP and including dead letter office. Yes. So that will be seventeen things. My right on that Adam, have you checked his seventeen seventeen. Okay. So do you want a do it like we did on YouTube where we go back and forth with what are seventeen and then are sixteen and and so on. Okay, we can do that. What would you rather do? That's the the response. So he doesn't want to do with no, or we just go wanted. I think we should just go one time. Okay. I think you should go. I do. You think I should go first because. I'm afraid you gotta fight it. So enraging. That I won't be able to carry on fine. You'll be fine. Okay. Do you wanna say what you think it's going to be your we're going from? We're going from worst to best. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're gonna put around the sun as your worst. All right. My worst number seventeen monster. Oh, okay. I listen to all of them in order. Yup. In monster, I gotta say sounds the shittiest it just in terms of like all of them, I the least amount of fun listening to that. I like a few of the songs on it. I won't spoil which ones because show up, but it sounds the most dated to me. I was. I was wishing for it to be over. And then when I listened to the one you said around the sun, I liked, I liked it more. Yeah. I don't know what to say. I just liked it more. There's great songs on it. Just unfortunately put together. Yeah, I don't know. I just was not enjoying it. Okay. So I don't know. I don't know what to say. Come in. And number sixteen, the offer mentioned around the sun. Although I will say I liked it more than the first time that we listen to it. It's on me a little bit. As a matter of fact, I like the songs. I just think as an album, it's a little boring. Okay. Number fifteen up. Yeah. And I like again, I like more than when we first talked about it revisit grower notice shore. It really is a lot like the opposite of my penis. But but a little long, but I but I was enjoying it. Okay. Number fourteen out of time. Are you something? I'm just trying to place it where my list. So this is fourteen the fourth on four th. Yeah, yeah, out of time out of time. Okay. That doesn't surprise me with you, but no, because I remember how you problems. Well, here's, here's my thing. I really like some of the songs on. Yeah, and I really dislike some of the other songs on it. And when you look at it, I I like fewer the songs that I dislike. So well, I don't know. I just I just really like there's two songs in particular that I cannot stand so shiny happy people asong and radio. So I like parts of radio song, but so I just I don't know at a time, but just as a cultural artifacts don't care about it was a number one album all in listening to it as in these past two days. So you're not taking any. Cultural significant taking. I mean, maybe as we go along, but, but this is just my impression of after doing this show for the past six months now, just what do I think of the records. Okay. Next up collapse into now. Okay. Better than out of time. I think next up accelerate. Okay. Those two are so similar to each other. I think I like I like six a piece and I think I dislike the other six on exceleron more. I dislike the other six on collapse more than I dislike the other six on exceleron. Okay. Next up document. Okay. That's eleven document. I gotta say, listening to it, it's it sounds really dated. I the minute came on, I'd I'd been listening to all of the IRS period. The minute came on. I was like, oh, wow, it sounds so different and and and with sort of dated production. And it's definitely like more popping and more than just lighten up with the sax solo thing. All of it sounds slightly dated to me sting. Okay. Next up reveal. Okay. I like reveal better than dot document and part of it is, is those last reveal more than accelerate? Yeah. Wow. Because I like every song on reveal and I don't like every song on excel like every song on reveal. I do you think she just wants to be better song than say, Mr. Richards, look, I don't wanna talk Mr. Richards. You get into this. Next up dead letter office, surprising to me lower than I thought it would be because and lower as in in my memory in my memory, I was like, I love dead letter office pretty slapdash. It's pretty, it's at the time when I first heard it did not sound slapdash to me. And now it sounds slept just let's take a little break here on just what you want him knowledge that accelerate when you talked about accelerate you were like these first four, five song for Klatt. I love them classics, and then I like to of the others. So what we're ranking these, but what we're talking about are all records that have some indisputably. Great. Yes, music on them or the order of preference of listening to even up now, which I remember at the time I was kind of like, I don't think I ever to hear these songs again. Listen to it again. I like them. Yeah. Okay. After dead-letters off dead letter office might number seven fables. Okay construction. All right. Surprisingly high. Think number six new adventures in hi fi. Wow, that's different than I thought you would. Higher or lower lower. I mean, I thought you would like it less. There's I tell you, remember at the time I had issues with the sequencing you did and you thought it was bloated, there was bloated, so here's here's what my new. My new theory on it is I think I fucked with too much for your tastes minute theory is just take off so fast. So numb and low desert and go straight from zip or to electrolyte. And you have a great album. I think you're wrong, but that's fine. What we're the ones you don't like on that because I don't love undertow, but I would keep it on. I would just take take off so fast. So numb and low desert and you have a nice, you know, fifty minute album that so fast. So numb is a brilliant song. So I think that, yeah. Anything is? Yeah. Okay. I mean, there's a lot of songs of theirs. I don't care for number five chronic town. Okay. Lower than I thought it would be as well, but it's not. I mean, it's what four song, but I love him, but it's not. Oh. So that's I think that's a fair ranking number four, automatic for the people. Oh, higher than I thought it was. I thought it would be as well, but every song has good, it's indisputable. It really is. And even though it doesn't have the nostalgia for me, right? It just is a good good record. But I think other people might put it higher because it has the nostalgia for them because they listen to it at the time. But for me it's really solid. So that's very high ranking considering you don't. I never have. Oh, the only emotional attachment I have any of these is talking. Not helping. Okay. All right. Number three. And number three and number two were so close to me. I, I flip flopped, tell number three's reckoning. And number two is murmur. Both of those could be either two or three to me. They're so close reckoning in murmur. You're you seem in disbelief. I seem in disbelief with what I think the remaining album for number one, lifes rich, pageant, wait. You didn't include green. Oh, did I skip it? Sorry, dot goes document than green. Then reveal you like reveal green. Well, look, here's the, here's the issue with green. Green has shitty songs on green has has highs and lows, and the highs are really good, but the lows are are bad to me. And what are the lows? Just tell me, well, you got stand you have. I mean, I, I remember California. Yeah. Okay. What else? Whereas I like the pop songs on it. You know. I like, I like, what am I talking about? I'm talking about, you know, get up and all that kind of stuff. Like I said at the time there, they, they also have heard them so much. They're a little annoying to me now. And I just maybe it's just me not having spent a lot of time with reveal and not getting sick of it, but I just liked listening to ROY Moore. Okay. So sorry, I did forget green. I'm sorry. I skipped. Does. Green was inbetween document and reveal. I like green more than documents strangely enough. I thought it would would have been. Okay. Number one is rich pageant. Yeah, and I don't end maybe it's my nostalgia. That's the first one I ever heard. I love every song on it. I don't know. I don't know if that, but I sing along to every single song. The gauge I was using a lot of times as m. I singing along all these games and, but that one is the one that's most ingrained in you. Yeah, I can't. I can't get away from. And what was number two again? Murmur. Murmur and reckoning. Okay. Murmur and reckoning to me were both so close. Okay. That reckoning starts so strong and then kind of doesn't fall apart. I still love all the songs not as quality at the end, whereas murmur is just consistent all the way. Through. Okay. So sorry about the green thing that confused you so much. I'm so confused. But there you go. That's it. But I have to say, listening to the mall, I gained new respect for a lot of them, and I had a good time doing it. And so as a whole, what an I'm speaking as a whole. When I say as a whole, I mean as an actual whole, I am of course, just a couple of holes with flesh attached looking at the at the macro view. Second time were use the word macro is episode in its up total, bummer. Looking at the body of work, what would you say? I would say, let's leave final thoughts are okay for the okay. Okay. All right. I wanna hear. I wanna hear what you have. All right. All right. Okay. I think that's, I think I knew life search pageant was going to be number one for you, but I thought maybe it would be murmur. Yeah, murmurs. Great. Are great. All right. I'm okay. So here's what I think your your lowest is going to be around the sun. I'm. Pretty sure for just from, okay. Are we starting my list? We're starting your list, you know what it is, but I was, I think that I don't know where you're gonna go with these by the way I knew around the sun because he seem pretty satisfied with it. But now I the rest because you seem to love every single one of these records and every song on everyone of these with the passing of a million Suns. So. And so it was difficult for me to rank them. And I think. I think I'm gonna say documents gonna be your number one. If I, if I guess just because of of how you felt about it at the time. Okay. I think that just understanding that I love all of this music. Yes. So this was difficult to rank, but I think this is an accurate ranking and going not by how good the albums are. I'm going by how they make me feel. We're not going with like cultural importance or anything like, no, this is all very, this is just great, super honest. Okay. A lotta ones that I listened to most resonate with me the most cares if they're good or not. Just all do resonate with around the sun is number seventeen. Okay. Because I do love a lot, especially boy in the well in the outsiders. There's some great songs on there, but it's just a little listless pare down the government. Wait a second, you I'm just saying because of your needs to, I know, but you we can divert argument push that okay by fifteen twenty minutes. Okay, good. You had a few a few words to say about. I agree. I agree. I know mine are going to be longer and less interesting, but please bear with number sixteen reveal. Okay, I I get you don't really like I do love the way it sounds, and the way veal's the songs to me aren't as a little slow, catchy and fun. Although there are some incredible songs on there. They seem like they're having fun on it. I know I said that during the due to, but for me, I've listened to it that was ins of times and it's just, you know, it's number sixteen number fifteen is monster. Okay. Now said it's hard to quibble with it being feeling a little thin, even though there are just don't go classics weird to me that they've, I know they wanted to rock more, but wow, what if they just would have put out another, you know, automatic for the people part too. Well, I think it was one hundred percent a reaction to automatic and out of time being watching all of this big musical movement happen and go, wait, what's have a musical movement of bowel movement. I mean, I feel like if like you said, when we went through the album, if it was more like new adventures and it was kind of a minx mix. Yeah, that it would have been, but there I don't even know if there's a song on it that I don't really like of maybe king of comedy, right? But it's just that's where that's where it is. I next up number fourteen is up. Okay. So we're both similar other than reveal at this point, but. Okay up. Okay. Love. Died there. I swore it was their greatest, right? I remember that it is at number fourteen. Yeah. And you know, I love all this music. That's word. Okay. Number thirteen is chronic town. Okay. I mean, I get your point of it's an EP and slide or whatever, but less of an accomplishment. Yeah. And plus you don't have the emotional attachment to it. I do listening to it over and over. Listen to it a lot as the at the end of dead letter office, right? It's yeah, I, I was. I had that just the record. Yeah, and and it's one of my most played so. Okay. But it's you can't argue with it being one hundred percent stone, cold classics. All it's thirteen is still still classic number twelve reckoning. Okay. Okay. Interesting. I love reckoning. I know we don't have to say. It's down there. I just don't have the. Attachment. Got it such great melodies. Okay. Number eleven. Now, is that what it somewhere in their dead letter office dead letter office? Okay. I love above wreck. Well, I mean, it's it is what it is. You're happier when you listen to down. Yeah. Okay. Number ten collapse into now. Okay. Okay. So I put collection in Alabama of reckoning, which I know that's, you know, but it's you were you're a big boy when you listen to collapse into now, certainly was, you know you're a mature music connoisseur at the time and sure. Next number nine new adventures in hi-fi. Okay. Hey, Fe number eight. Murmur. Very low for what many consider to be their best record. Okay. But it's just how it is that's how it is, but it's one of those things where again, you came to though you sort of went backwards in time and ackward discovered at late discovered late, didn't really maybe give it the listens. You know, the concentrated listens. Yeah, as the new stuff. Whenever the new stuff came out for us, he'll later and love it very much, but I feel like they grew a lot from there. Okay. The songs are great, but they they moved on and and I feel you move as well. All right. Number seven is out of time. Okay. Did you think that would be closer to number one? Well, it is like prime just Adam as a teen. You know, hitting you in the gut material, so so I get it. I get why would, but, but I'm not surprised that there are some caveats with too. So I think I think it's I get why it's where it is on your list. You mean as far from number one as it is or but still higher than young than yoga? I'm, I'm finding here that for both of us, there's this is interesting only up to a point I can only I can only imagine what it's like for the listeners number six fables okay of the reconstruction, which I thought would rank higher, but I because I love it so much, but I think there are others number five. Yeah, number five document document. Really. Okay. I thought it might have been number one, but maybe you see the flaws in it now or something. I mean, we're talking, we're in top five territory. Wow, so okay, so we still have green to go. We still have lifes rich pageant. We saw automatic automatics going to be your number one and we still have exceleron eight and I know missing one, but okay, let's go to number four. Life's rich pageant Lyster pageant. Okay. Number three, exceleron bet. Accelerate celebrate. And then we go to number two is green is green. And then of course, number one outta attic for the people. There you go. Wow. Okay. Yeah. I mean, green, I can see that. How old were you in? Green came out was eight. So you must have been team fifteen? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when you listen to something fifteen, you're never gonna. Oh, they wrote this for me for me and me alone. Well, those are great rankings. Yeah. Likewise, I, you know, there are no wrong answers as far as I'm concerned except for when we come to this because now we're going to do top ten songs of each era. Okay. Okay. Now. We're starting with starting with the IRS air are yours in or in order? Yeah. So the only ones that are in order are my top ten of all time because the other ones I just couldn't you can pick. I get it. I get it. I did rank mine. I think you'll find mine more interesting than well, just in terms of like, I don't even know how you were able to do this. I don't know how you're able to do it's okay. So this what we've done is the eras, the first five albums, the middle five and the than the later five. Is that how it breaks down? Yes. Okay. So here are my top ten for the first five dead letter offices? Part of the first? Yes. Okay. Here we go. This is coming in at number ten. This is their first song ever. This is Radio Free Europe on. Are you talking to her him remain. Yeah, you gotta come in. Come to good. All right. Number nine. I believe from lifes rich pageant my favorite album. Love it. All right. And then number eight. Seven Chinese brothers, so good. All right. Moving on to number seven. Oh, it would have been good if I had that at seven for seven dollars missed opportunity NAN. I'm gonna kick myself later. All right. Number seven, sitting still God's dammit. So good. Number six. Ages of you from dead letter office. Incredible and credible side. In pen. That's a cool choice than this is five. Leave harbor coat. Love it. This this, by the way, when I just made my top ten and I would hadn't listened to the record, this was not in there. And then hearing it again, when I listen all the records, I was like, this is not only got to be in there. It's got to be top. It's unbelievable. All right. Then we go to four. I believe. Gardening and nights from product town. Great, great stuff. Number three. Talk about the passion. Okay. And then these last two or personal for me. It's just where they're at this number two. Nice as great taio hoga. I look, daddy, do you love me? I love view, and I love your song choice. I love it's hard to find a bad song on this album. Yes. I mean, maybe the the goof off song, which one instrumental the camper, and this is my number one song from the IRS. Yeah, fall on me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that's my top ten. Okay. You wanna do yours now or do you move on to okay here? Man, I just I was making. I was making an adjustment because I had eleven songs in this, and I found it hard to kick off. What my eleven was. Wolves come a lower. That was it was in there for so long and then harbor coat came, you know, just charging in made. I got rid of the final song as you were playing yours. No. And now I'm regretting it. I don't know. I don't know what to do about it. You can give an honorable mention after you play these. Okay. All right. So here we go. What? What's on yours here is numero ten ranked them. Okay, great. Burn. And this is a b side as well. From dead letter office, love it. This came on my ipod the other day, just made me happy. Yeah, it's great. And it's harbor right? Sort of. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Number nine. So good. What is the name it again for people who don't know about these days. Lifes rich pageant. Did you notice nothing from document on my top. Ten. Oh, wow. All right. Well, answer to that number eight. Been be sure how this sounds dated, but whatever you say. You know what it was was coming off of like more indie productions dials. It just sounded very clean. Yeah, it is. It's very much like arena. Please. Excuse me. Excuse man. All right. What do we have next? What is next seven. We're talking here. All right. We have. Numerous. You do. Can you not love this? I love it. I just played it too much, I think. Yeah, yeah, but it's great. Number six. I love this so good. Name these by the way as sorry, harbor from reckoning. Number five. Yes. I. Name so fun. It is pilgrimage from murmur. This could've made it on my top ten easily. It's unbelievable. So so is that number five don't know number four, who cares. How many more do you have left? Let's see. Oh, zooming McCarthy McCarthy headphone special. Yeah. The one. Have you ever heard this typewriter? Yes. Oh, I have three mar. Okay. Number three. Is. Life and how to live it from beautiful song, unbelievable, but and almost made. I think it was like number twelve on my top. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Surprise. Great. All right. So are we up to number one or two number two? Okay. Here we go. We had a lot crossover here, some good stuff ages of you. You can tell just generally recorded. It is. Good. Okay. Number one, number one. Okay. Oh, really? Wow, this is believe. Good cross, I believe from hot cross buns cross. So this is your favorite of this era. That's, I mean, it's just it's. All right, turn it down and then pass me the core. Okay. I'm just just stop it. I'm just just less interesting people don't need professionalism. Got it looking, that's Nola grab and you were trying to get you all know. Look grab. Okay. Now we're moving onto the start of the Warner Brothers era green through hi-fi when bilberry left thigh. All right, boy, I bet you have no idea what's going to be on on my talk. I don't. I really don't. Are you interested? Very, I feel like I'm like a little boy showing you a report card where I got all A's or something like I just have no clue what you are going to. Here we go. This is number ten. This is. Title. Okay. Just the drumming. Peter buck on drums. Yeah, love it. I love this choice. No, I'm a big fan of the song again, the highs on this record or high. All right. I liked it from green is on here. Okay. Now, next up. Number nine. Cool choice. This is be mind for new adventures. I like this one ally. It's a cool. Number eight. Yeah, nights swimming, pretty undeniable. A lot of people would put it higher, but. This is number eight for me. Yeah, amazing. Number seven. New test leper, which you don't seem to like all that much. I like it. I, I'm pleased that it's on your top ten. This, and so it's too from. Hi fi, who from high flow. You really love right. Here we go. This is I think number six, maybe. From my least favorite record. The one song that I think is a classic, not what you don't think. What's the frequency? Kenneth? Well, I think it's great, but I just heard much street in seas. I love this too. Find myself singing this sometimes. Good. All right. This is. I think it's five, maybe. What's it gonna be number five. What's it gonna be. This is the cricket song. This is a song, the crickets. This is your the everything. It's pretty. It's pretty great. Of course, we saw them singing up in Portland. Some nice. It was very special time that you and I shared. All right. This is somewhere in this maybe four or something. Yeah. The song from your wedding. Lots of showings for electrolyte today. Third time we played it here. All right. And then what is this three or two two to. I think it is. Texarkana from three. Sorry. Three. And then this is my top two. This songs. Unbelievable, this is I, this is an incredible saw and find the river one. I'd never heard before we did this record. So this is grown you since we went through, did I not like it on you just you were like, yeah, it's good. I think it's great. It's the more times I hear the more I find the river. This is the peak of songwriting in general. I think just songwriting general. Okay. I think it makes no sense are this is my number one, and this is one. I sing all the time. Can I guess? Yeah. Man on the moon. It's not man on the moon. Malou is great. It probably would be in my top twenty. Losing my religion? No, no. I don't know. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's great. I love the sets. Awesome choice. Bittersweet me from new adventures. I love this. Oh, that's a cool choice. I like it. I walk around seeing bidders. I love that more. So that's my, that's my top great top debt, the middle area, let's. I was trying to give it to you and you missed it. Okay. So this is green out of time, automatic monster and new adventures in hi fi to just confirming missing anything. You know, I believe. Okay. If I had to guess mine. No, no me Honey is going to be. I don't know. I was gonna say up there, but Milquet number ten. Strange, strange currency. Was this number ten for you know, this is number five, six. Great song. Okay. Number nine. For you, Scott. This is what is it again? So fast from new adventures. This is a song you would take off of the album. Yeah, this sucks. No, listen, of course. Not. David. What do you like about this. Rockin row with a wide angle. Sucks. Here. You're doing. The least rocking heart of this. To the drums. Okay. Not only it's terrible. I know I would. I would maybe take it off number. Okay. Frequency, a frequency classic. I just think it's overplayed for me. All right. Okay. Number seven, seven. You predicted right. This probably would. I don't know if it'd be even top twenty for me. Top thirty definitely big fan of it. Yeah. And it's made an appearance on a few endless so far with guests. Yeah. Okay. This is number. Number six. Okay letter. All right. Okay. Number five. Half a world away from out of time. Okay. Trying to remember how I feel about this one. It became a favourite of mines later. What happened. Learned english. You, what country did you come from? I was born and raised in the United States, just never bothered to learn English. Okay. All right. What's next number four cricket saw. You are the everything. Great. It might have been number four for me too. I think it may have been number three. Yes, that's the crossover. My number two find the river number two. Okay. My number ten over. Yeah. All right. And number one on the moon. Dr because you're in the video. Something from this record though? Yes, nights winning. Oh, it's nice weather now. Real nice ways. Oh. Trek to what is track to. Yeah, right. Yeah, this is called right out to to breathe. Yeah. And this is very personal to you. Yeah, it's. All right, good. Top ten. By the way we each because of a listener suggestion. We each have. Someone suggested it would be great to for us to put our top thirty meaning top tens of each era into one playlist in sequence because we're so fun of sequencing. So we each have done that. And you can see those on at least my Twitter, I'm not sure. Well, one of us has done, okay. You promised to do top thirty of all time? Well, I think it was the top ten of each era. Oh, okay. So let me put it. Oh, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. Put the list, put it up onto, so maybe you will when you get your shit together. Okay. Okay. So this is the post bilberry top ten. What do you, what do you think I'm gonna pick if you if you had to if you had to guess number ten? No, just for any of the songs. Living well is the best revenge and I don't know. All right. Here we go. Oh, yeah, great choice. Number ten is I'll take the rain from reveal. Not gonna play all. It's a good choice. All right. Number nine. Nice man size reef from exceleron. It's. Number eight. Uber Lynn could be even higher. I dunno ruins great. From of course. Collapse number seven. You're not gonna like this one. All right. You don't like the song, but I like it a lot. So. Number six, nice choice. Hollow man from excel rates. Been number five, that someone is you. Singing this all the time too. I walk around just going that someone is you. It's real catchy. It's only a minute something long. Yeah. All right. Then we have. So good. Then we have. Okay, great. Beyond which I know you don't care for that much, but I think is one of their greats songs of this era I believe to left. Right? So yes, this is my number two. Nice living the best revenge from accelerates. Nice. And number one. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Look, I'm not going to squabble with a squabble. Sure. Do. I think on yours, nothing from up by the way made my. Oh, wow, okay. Yeah, I was. I was sorta in there with like the Oxford version. It's a tough because it's kind of one thing. It's. Yeah, and nothing from around the sun. You're right, although you're playing something. Okay. So you have a top ten, let's do it. What is your top ten from the air? All right. Let's see here. We will see. Hearing your every swallow. So gross. What are you doing? Just describe this last minute. Adjustment, number ten. Turn. Oh, here we go. Number ten number tash. He's. Number nine. Okay. Hope hope from up. I like what I would have made the the first song on that album me too. All right. Number eight. I picked it. I cannot argue with this. Argue, it. Number seven, numbers seven. I picked to argue with this imitation of life. All right. Number six for six. I mean, I picked two can argue with this. Number five, that was man sized wreath by the way. Try to call these out. If you wouldn't mind shut up. This one is this is days leaper sleeper from. There's a song. This reminds me of. Oh, it reminds me of sleepers. What do I do now? By the way, I dunno, that's all the, there's a, there's an Elvis, Costello, slow version that this reminds me a lot of. The chord changes in the production of it. Number. What is this number five on. On. Oh, my heart's knife heart from collapse into now. Cindy. Graber four. Was this on yours? Yeah, this is. This is great. What number was this on yours? Five. Let me see. Six. Okay. This is number four on my say. What you're. What if we argued about. Number three. What is discoverer from collapse into now, don't make that noise. Nothing short of triumph. For. All right. You don't need to hear anymore. What's number two number two. Well, this is false to climb climb from from three up songs. This is a great song. No, I like this. Number one. First single of. Off of accelerate. I believe it was my number four could have been number two, even. Yeah, number one, I don't know who knows? Who knows. I switched the rankings on these already switched. The ranking sits playing falls decline would be number two. So now let's talk about top ten of all time. Yeah. Okay. So I have something to admit. Yeah. You have eleven in snow. You're not gonna like it. Oh, my top ten of all time is my first my IRS era up what? Yeah. Sorry. Wait, you won't. I like all those songs better. The top ten of the other rats. That's a cop out. I just it is what it is. It's not a cop. I just I tried to. I started to try to rank them and I was like, I just like all these songs better. I don't know what to say. That's ridiculous. I don't know. I get it because those are the ones you grew up. I grew up with an I love those everything. Post green, I real look. I'm telling you, I really like the top thirty. I like the top thirty that I like the playlist I made for the top thirty. It goes back and forth from areas. I think that's a good representation of of how I like REM now, so might. So I don't even want to talk about my top ten. I wanna hear your top ten of all. Okay. But I get it because everything post green was brand new for Brown new for me, so I don't have the motoring wasn't even that you weren't involved with that. Yeah, so but but but I really like the top thirty. I as a matter of fact, I like the other twenty a lot and I like listening to the playlist of all mixed up a lot. So I may grow to like them shirt, gimme another twenty years. Sure. Well, okay, check back with me twenty years from September. Fourth, not talking till that. What year will that be? That'll be two thousand thirty eight. We'll get together and go through these top top ten list and we will only talk about that. You know, pleasantries nothing else. Okay. Here we go. All right, top ten of all time. Hen. Turning this God damn thing down. Well, yeah, that happens and you what happens when you turn it down? If you want to listen to something, you have to turn it back up. You really do why God. All right. Here we go top ten of all time. Crickets. Yes, you are the everything this is going to not be particularly suspenseful since we already we already went through. Okay, so that's number ten. Okay. Of REM all time. Oh, you know what? What this is twelve, I never will down. All right. That's number. Low through here we go. No, I meant to delete these while we were talking and I didn't right. I meant to delete two. Okay. And I didn't. So God dammit. Okay. Why we're upset about this anyone listening. Although then again, people may be frustrated episode. I wouldn't blame them. HERE IS NUMBER eleven. Now. Please play the next one. What's track. Okay. Number ten. Okay. I used to. I used to play this by the way. Is it difficult? Super. Okay. Number nine. Zooming McCarthy the old headphones special? Yes. In the okay. I meant discoverer would be in the top ten somewhere. It got pushed out because I had something. Interesting. Okay, not interesting. All right. Number nine. Now. Okay. IBO the letter in your top ten of all time. Okay. That's right. All right. All right, right. All right. Moving on dot org. This is number. What is soon os? Just press the button. APPA world away. Okay. Okay. Again, number six of all time. Everybody eighty number six of all time. Yeah. Because it was such a comeback? Yeah, that was my issue with trying to rank the earlier stuff. I would play this next to. You know something like number ten, like radio for Europe, and I would just go just like radio for your bene- even though this is great. Yeah. Yeah. So you get that. That's why this play this next Radio Free Europe for me. I'm like, I just like this year more excited by this. Yeah. Okay. Number. I think we just he's exiting. I did, but the opposite number five. Grates on this is number five for you. Number five. Did you think it would be higher maybe as it was what? It knows. Number four. It ended up being number four, so I guess it's higher than I thought it would be. Okay. Who cares number four. Burning down in your. Ages of visas of you? Sorry. Or wait, is this in burning down the same song? Those are the two were sort of sort of the same ages of you. So you just like this song, you put it in your top ten twice. Well, I put burning down in the top ten? Yeah. Okay. Number three. The hunter untitled untitled. Okay. This is three. So then number two two must be. Your number one of the eighties? No. What is it number? What is number two. Okay. Okay. So this is your number one of the mid period? Yeah, try not to breathe. So then you're, you're number one must be must be the your number one from the eighties. Right? There we go. This is your top your number one song of all time. Wow. I think so. Tell us about it. What do you like about? Well, it's listen, Scott. I believe it is. I believe the quintessential RAM zone. It sounds like having a beer in the sunlight on the fourth of July, I'd like to do that with you. Let's do it. You know, we can do that on the fourth of what's the next month. We're because we're already on the fourth of September, October, if sunny out we'll have a beer in the sunshine. Okay, great. So what are we talking? Five. AM five in the morning. Great. The sunrises. What what, what the fuck out here break a window. The alarm. Greg, Greg, Greg beer me bro. That was exhausting, but it was, I can't believe we actually, I thought this, there's no way we would get all this. We did. We did. Can you believe it this? This was fun. Yeah, this is. This is our last episode for while we're going to do a few, you know here and there as time permits, but this is it. And I will say from my end as the novice to REM, I enjoyed this a lot. I viewed each week that we would get a new record with a lot of anticipation and excitement, which I didn't think that I would. I sort of thought when we embarked upon this that I would view it more as a chore than anything. Okay. Because because you weren't sure about, I thought I wouldn't enjoy the records all that. So I found myself after really listening to them several times in the week that that we had in getting into them and really trying to figure them out that I found myself even if I didn't particularly care for the majority of of the previous album, I would find myself excited like, oh boy, new record, and it has turned me definitely into a fan of the later years. Yeah. So I now anytime I hear one of the songs on Shuffler what whatever. I've, I have a certain amount of joy even I would say the ones that I grew annoyed with over the years, you know, maybe those ones I'm still not into, but but I definitely have learned to appreciate the later years and I have you to thank for that. And this, it's, it's been a real pleasure. Engaging with you and with the fans about these records. And and I've come out the other side now a fan of aria. And what do you think looking at them the whole of their career, what you see there when you just think of the entire thing, they eighty to two thousand eleven thinking about what they left behind. They. It's tough because I didn't. You know, I didn't see them live, but that one time and I was forced to leave my seat by that one guy pointed at me and just gestured for me. We get the fuck out. So it's a little colored by that, like I don't have. I don't. I don't have the experience that you have seen them live all the time. So I'm a little bit from a distance, but you know, you got to give it up to anyone who is, you know a thirty year career. That's I mean, musicians can barely get one record out and to to have a thirty year career and be, you know, on on. Culturally relevant for that long is is really something I will always love the early period. Probably the most for me. Where those songs just put a smile on my face, but but now I have a lot of respect for for the later ones and and gen- genuinely singing along to a lot of them as well, especially those ones in my top thirty. So yeah, as far as what I think about them, I wish they would get back together. I know it's probably not interesting to some of them or if not all of them to go out and do just a hits tour. Yeah, but isn't it fun playing live? I don't know. I feel like it is, and I saw an interview with Michael Stipe that only a few days old. He says, he misses it. He does miss. It really will look. I the perfect antidote for that and it's called backyard barbecue. That's right, bro. This is what we want. We want. Backyard of our choosing. You don't get to choose the backyard REM no, we're going to pick the backyard. We're going to set up a tiny stage about you know one milk crate high with some some planks on and we want you to play two sets of ninety minutes of peace. No, no doubling how about two sets of thirty minute or thirty songs? Thirty songs. Okay, so sixty songs tell you what I your thirty, then my third. So you can repeat. Yeah, you have to repeat anything. You have to play them in the order of the playlists that will make absolutely. And if you if you deviate at all at all, even like even get a note wrong, you get an electric shock. That's right. Yeah. And administered by us and we'll be sitting there pointing at the button the entire time. We hooked up to electrodes electrodes, and it was about to say electrodes electrodes, which I don't think is correct. I don't. I look who knows. I'll look it up and we're gonna be pointing at. We're going to be like holding up the button in your line of vision. Play shouting, don't fuck up to you, and rather than cheering, we're gonna. Shout, don't. Fuck. So you like, do you really. Uh-huh. Fuck. That's right. I look, I think they should just a summer tour. Yeah, you don't have to our backyard. Yeah, of course. If we want to every weekend. That's right. And we want to sell the tickets. We'll give you what's their cut, four percent, four percents, and that's being generous because we're providing so much of this. The backyard's, the playlists, the planks, the electrode flanks, the electrodes. What do you think Adam you? How did you have you this experience? You must be infuriated with me? No. On the contrary. I for all of the frustration of you moving songs around on classic albums. It was super fun, and it was fun to watch you kind of experienced these songs that are dislike tattooed on my brain and watch someone kind of hear them for the first time. Give me a new perspective on them and and it was interesting, revisiting albums and either loving them more than I thought I did or not liking them quite as much as I as I remember. So it was all interesting. Interesting. But it was it was also terrific to hear from kind of our listeners. Yes. Hear from them about discovering this ban means a lot heard from a lot of them about, you know, the, they didn't know anything about them, or they just heard a couple of hits losing my religion or whatever. But you know, look, I enjoyed talking about music of any stripe. So you know, it's it's fun to talk about music regardless of the band. I feel so. This has been a good time. So Adam, let's shake hands and part company never speak to each other until twenty thirty six absolutely event. Okay. That's going to do it for us for a little while. At least we may come back with a few special episodes. But to play us out, we're gonna play. Probably the best REM song ever written didn't show up on any of our top ten though. I don't know why, but let's play it and we'll see next time whenever that is. And until then we hope that you found what you're looking for. Win your. Win your. Everyone's got come in here and I'm more lab polyp Thompkin. And we have a brand new podcast called three. Three of us have a lot of fun conversations together. We wanted to show where we are playing characters in our individual podcast formats, each other, the world and everything in between, although maybe we should have done all of our podcast formats on top of each other's Tena frigates like that. Yeah. Friends, we are friends in this limited series. We try to figure out what the show should be called. We share weird stories from our childhood. It's. Fun of each other, which is sometimes. Up for all of us. Just for one of us, we. One. There are two episodes out right now on the three podcast feed make sure to check out three them wherever you get your podcast or go fuck yourself.

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#731 Thanksgiving Leftovers & DJ Shadow on Sampling

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#731 Thanksgiving Leftovers & DJ Shadow on Sampling

"Talk from WBZ Chicago and P Rx. This is sound opinions. I'm Jim dear goddess. And I'm Greg Kat one hour a week is nearly enough time to talk about all the music we want to cover. So we've got some leftover music to go with our Thanksgiving leftovers this week. We're clearing during out the fridge and making time for music we missed earlier this year. Plus Dj Shadow explains how he found the sample that built his latest single. That's all coming up on sound opinions. You're listening to sound opinions and later in the show we're going to hear from DJ shadow and learn how he built his latest single. But first we've got some leftovers to finish up. Yea Greg in years past around Thanksgiving we have done the Turkey shoot a record. We had high expectations for but the turned out to stink according to our opinion opinion. And and you know that's a little like shooting fish in a barrel so we're going to do some of that as Thanksgiving leftovers but also stuff that we were intrigued about but just never got to talk about on sound opinions. So you'RE GONNA lead us off. I am Jim I want to talk about billy. I think Billy Irish a seventeen year old L. Singer she's GonNa turn eighteen in December as been one of the two artists of the year. The other being. Liz Oh I think These artists aren't in many many top ten enlist the end of the year and are being feted at all these awards ceremonies that we like to watch on television Somebody'll be have missed. Two major feature pop phenoms. Billy Isleta you know has has really kind of come. From a bedroom artist two years ago to a an arena a seller. Right now she's selling out arenas around the country She's got another tour coming up in early. Twenty twenty Her record that came out earlier this here when we all fall asleep where do we go. debuted atop the billboard. Two hundred it had four top forty hits. It sold millions of copies. She's he's the first artist born in the two thousands to have a number one single in the US so she's representing. What is that generation Z.? I believe they refer to themselves as That's the part of the population. Appellations is born somewhere between the mid nineties and the mid mid to thousands right Typecast news no but she was born in two thousand one. When I I loved about senior at the United Center here as part of that arena tour earlier this year That was easily the loudest audience response of any a concert concert. I have attended in years. And she's up there on stage in this floppy t shirt with his awkward but very enthusiastic dancing and I'm thinking she could be one of them and and they identify with that she has a she comes across as a very down to earth. Hey I'm the girl next door I just happened to music. But I'm relating to what you're going through and this whole awkwardness of adolescence. Of that transition from being a young girl to being an adult is is really the the Fulcrum On which are her music turns. Well you're you're you're doing a good job on the backstory which. I was intrigued by. But I've listened this Alma good dozen times at different occasions and and I'm not figuring figuring out what the appeal is musically the appeal for me musically was that first of all. Here's a A young woman. who was you know cranking thinking out hit after hit You know against more mainstream Sounding recordings by artists like Arianna `Grande But her recordings recordings don't sound at all like they're being tailored for that glossy radio airplay hit. They're they're very Stripped down down that got a dirty sound reminds me of early. Grimes recordings actually more so than it does mainstream pop so I love the production sound She works in tandem with her brother. PHINEAS he's. He's kind of a collaborator with her. On many of the recordings that she has done and then she singing about very real concerns earns as I said that her audience has this obsession with with monsters. And you know the the the monsters under my bed in my head. She reminds me of sort of a a an audio companion to that TV series. Stranger things you know where. She's visiting the upside down world and there's monsters is under the bed and you know in her head et Cetera. And and and and I think those those concerns are real if you're young person. The monsters don't necessarily have to take physical shape but it's more about anxiety Heidi about you know what your life is and what it's going to become and when I think of song like Barry a friend She's really seeing about an alter ego. Who who lives with her is is her and is part of this nightmare a recurring nightmare that she has you know everyone has a recurring nightmare? This is her recurring nightmare and I think a lot of kids. Can you know I can relate to it. I know what he's talking about because I lived through. I saw my kids living through. It's a little torch song for me. The whole record. It just doesn't grab. Yeah you're now you're selling and she's connecting with with with that audience for a reason I think she's very real Here's a little bit of Berry Friend From Billy Irish unsound opinions do you don't you why. Why boy do we spit it out? What is it exactly exactly as they among clean a new vote? The Mazda is far too at the Lincoln about things that the way and can. You don't want to step on the staple your tongue bury a friend. Try to wake up. Ah Class killing this theory. That is Billy Irish. Bury a friend. an artist that I think had a huge impact on two thousand. Nineteen Greg you're talking about artists born in born in the new millennium Monteiro Lamar Hill. I just missed it Born in nine hundred ninety nine outside Atlanta I bet nobody even recognizes that name but they will recognize this one little gnaws ex. Yeah you know. He is a nineteen year old college dropout when he buys for thirty dollars on the Internet a Dutch producers his TWANGY beat there's a little bit of a nine inch nails sample on there and he crafts this Song Old Town road and I don't think anyone one was more surprised than he was when it went on this. This this mix he called country trap to become In July the longest running number one single angle in the sixty one year history of billboard's hot one hundred chart. I am not going to say that The minute and fifty three seconds of all town road is brilliant. I am going to say. It is an inescapable irresistible. earworm you know the history of Pop music. Greg is rife with these weather there. Were going back. You know the Halloween classic the Monster Mas- or more recent favorite of mine. All about that bass by Meghan trainor. I I don't know if these can be objectively defended as good But they are certainly fun and all town road. Has That added political element of this African American. Gay Man infiltrating the country playlists much to the horror of traditional Nashville Bill. There's been a lot of records this year That have broken down traditional Nashville and infiltrated like gorillas under the barbed wire which is all very good but none of them has had a line like riding on your horse. Ha You can whip your Porsche right. I mean this. This is essentially blazing saddles in less than two minute. Country pop song you know. It is not meant to be taken super seriously but to do my job here. You know to try to capitalize on the success. The unprecedented success of this single there is in fact. A little GNAWS X. E. P. called seven although it has a tracks ax on two of them are different versions of town road He doesn't have another one in him. Greg not in this persona knee may be able to reinvent himself off. You know like chip Davis Mannheim Steamroller or the CB radio song you know. He may be able to come up with other Internet. MEMES that explode but Every other song on that EP is inferior version of all town road. Lightning struck once. We have not talked about it at all so here. It is little gnaws Zack's with the original not the billy ray Cyrus remix Old Town Road No more but black man out in there now. Nobody we know took it. All Abba does move down. Road gyms pick for one of the undeniable moments of two thousand nine hundred and I agree wholeheartedly. Not only for little house ex but bringing back Miley Cyrus Dad remains. Don't know autour behind. breaky heart needed a revival. Oh my goodness it's you know But th there's multiple levels to that song and its impact on the culture. There was a huge argument in country. Music circles about whether it was even could even be played on country radio or nominated for his part. Yeah yeah so it was. It was wonderful to Billy Ray. Cyrus stuck his foot in there and said wait a minute you know this is his country's is any song. It should be on country radio so I love the whole you know blow up that caused speaking of country music of different Ilk Rosanne cash Happened to be the daughter of one of the greatest country. Singers of all time. Rosanne cash herself is one of the great singers of all time. As far as I'm concerned she went on a tour. A very small all tour with right cooter performing the songs of her father which is a pretty big deal because Roseanne avoided her father's songs for many many years ears. She didn't want to be seen as writing her. Father's coattails perfectly justifiable reason. Not to be doing it. She's certainly built her own career with its own credibility with author. Our own brilliant says a songwriter singer. COOTER was the one that said. Hey You should do your dad songs at some point. I think it's a I think it's worth a shot because cooder comes at it from a standpoint of a fan of both artists Roseanne and Johnny Johnny being a huge influence on him as a young man growing up in California. Hearing that voice on the radio made him want to become A musician pick up that guitar playing Luther Perkins Johnny Cash's original Guitar Player so to see this show was just a a true moment of Greatness that perhaps will not be repeated. I hope they make a record at some point of those performances and put it out but meanwhile we have the performances Some are caught on bad. Add Youtube videos but what I love is what they did to the catalog. They did not treat it as a something to be revered like a monument. We can't mess with they. Were going going in there with the idea that. Hey we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA interpret these songs we're not gonNA copy them. Particularly Great was cooter playing the original Luther Perkins Guitar Fifty Five Five Fender Esquire for you. listeners out. There who care about those sort of things and the way he sliced and diced the rhythm on hey porter was a thing to see. And then even better was Roseanne tackling. I walk the line. I talked to her before the show and she said there is no way I could perform perform that song. I I was not going to touch it. I don't WanNa be the cutesy daughter performing her father's best known song never no way. No how and her husband John Leventhal. Who was part out of this story? Also a terrific guitar player producer. Said I think I got a way to do this. Where it could be your song instead of just you repeating your Dad's song they did this kind of Salteri? Swinging kind of relaxed grew very dark that totally transformed and allowed Roseanne to really create her own vision of what the Song Song represented those words of devotion coming from her as opposed to her dad taking on new meaning a beautiful version of I walk the line from the COOTER Rosanne cash tour earlier this year. Unsound Opinions That is I walk. The line from Rosanne cash and Reiko their recent tour. It is not officially released Beware of that but hopefully someday. I'm sorry I missed that show Craig. It sounded like a good one a record I would have been happy to miss. This is indeed. A full bore. Thanksgiving Turkey shoot contender. You wanted a review at one point. We never got around to it. Free the eighteenth studio album by the inimitable Godfather of PUNK IGGY pop. All right as old are I'd he'd rather play golf now than go out on tour when he's onstage he's still one hundred percent. IGGY pop The guy that we first heard fronting the stooges but he has not made good albums for a very long time. That having been said it's rare that he's made an album as bad as free. I I think you have to go back to argue over whether two thousand twelve french-language Apprai- his cabaret very record Is Better or worse or just equally as unwelcome as this record. Free which is part I lounge act in the sense of like bill. Murray on Saturday night live in that old skit doing the lounge crooner part spoken word and part Just gratuitously a little bit of Yvonne Free Jazz Jazz funk like suddenly a little fun house comes in this. This record is a mess occasionally. He tries to push some buttons with some just sexists his bonehead misogynist arguably homophobic You know a call and response there on that dirty Sanchez Song. or He's telling us he's James Bond on and then the whole thing sorta builds to him doing uh spoken word performance of Dylan Thomas's do not go gentle into that good night mood. That's like yeah I understand. He's always had a really sharp sense of humor. I understand that he must be wondering. Why am I still alive? Live when my collaborators my friends Lou Reed and David Bowie are gone right. I'm glad he's alive. I'm glad he can go shoot eighteen rounds of golf for whatever the Hell you do in that sport. I just don't WanNa hear this record ever again and you made me listen to it because we're going to review it. You liked it. I have no understanding of that. Whatsoever is Turkey's Turkey's far as I'm concerned here is iggy Channeling Dylan Thomas on sound opinions? Do not go gentle into that. Good night Old Age should earn rave at close of day rage rage against the dying of the light the curse words they do not go gentle into that. Good night iggy pop's interpretation of the poem. Okay I'm with you on that. It's a little bit expand no need for that. Ah there are moments on their record that I do like that is not one of them. I do have to say though that iggy made a terrific record a couple of years ago Josh Hami The post pop depression record. I was really really good. I disagree I would like to see him get to get back in the studio with him do you. Our listeners have musical. Leftover you're itching to discuss call and leave a a message on our hotline eight eight eight eight five nine eight thousand nine hundred or find us on facebook or twitter after a break. Jim You're going to share more musical leftovers that's all coming up unsound opinions from WBZ CHICAGO NPR X.. Welcome back sound opinions. I'm Jim dear. Got My partner is Gregg Cod. And I don't know how you feel about this Greg but to me rather than the big Thanksgiving dinner where everything is fresh out of the oven and it's the big to do. Do you know I. I prefer the leftover I. I'm one hundred percent with the Turkey. Sandwich cranberries pick what you want. You don't have to go with everything. Thank thanksgiving leftovers. Show stuff that we just never got around to talking about this year and you are up next I am Jim thank you. I wanted to talk talk about this net flicks ten part hip-hop reality show competition you know and normally this kind of stuff just is so cold competition shows but I love the vibe of rhythm and flow much better not to mention you know here. We have our first TV series. Affirmation of hip hop is being the soundtrack of American popular music. Basically time time the judges were very astute choices. I thought chance the rapper Cardi B. and TI. all of whom were terrific in their own way aid. I like it added a you'll you'll be all over the Internet very interesting. He is the social media era in Italian and into made me WanNa see more lean. It doesn't matter like watching genre. Is You gotta be able to get on a stage and have people being engaged and I feel like you. May everybody gave you know how those judges get so smarmy. Sometimes none of these three had any smart tomorrow. There was no like mincing words. There was no coddling of these performer. There was a lot of hard edged advice going out and it was smart advice. I I thought I thought the level of performances was pretty strong. These artists had to basically come up with various incarnations of a song and presentation Russian and they had to do a rap battle it was basically all incarnations of hip hop through this ten part series. The artist who won the competition was correlative elder statesman in hip hop thirty three years. Old Guy by the name of D.. Smoke from Inglewood California Very Kendrick like in the modern tation. Yes Very Kendrick. Lamar kind of metaphysical lyrically. You know arrange these songs in a very unconventional way theatrical performances. The performance that he won with called Last Supper was kind of this multi part psycho drama. I mean I'm going. I've never seen anything. Approaching this level level of daring. A boldness of just weirdness matched with technical skill. And for that reason I give it a lot of credit for for doing what it did and smoke is is a guy to watch I I. I'm thinking what is this guy going to do next because I'm intrigued. And that's the first time I can everything about one of the winners of these shows thinking. What's that GONNA sound like all right? So you you know props to rhythm and flow is being a a real eye opener props to you for watching ten hours if you give me one. Good Song Andy did. Here's last supper. Her from de smoke the winner of the the rhythm and Flow Netflix Series Competition Unsound Opinion. Keep it one hundred. I'd be feeling like home. So these finally understand when I land top the swamp. I'm praying Eh. Every kid needed hero trying to be understanding is concrete gladden. I started on the concrete. Madison went harshly Patty. So my flat a flat. Save Your complimentary. I ready known that we could so so our own accomplishments read the coast. Move Forward and talk my toby smokes. The smoke is so loud in a smoke that gets amish. Salaam y Queen and the fuel breath the last supper you keep it one hundred. I'll be filling like chicken with black pepper I'm Kim now back to John. Rich's the bag put. That is smoke with last supper. From the net flicks series rhythm and flow contestant turned hit. Rapper Jim who knew. I'll look forward to that album greg. As far as looking forward to an album I think the young rem fan. And I was on board from that. I I e. p. way back in the eighties on despite what I said last week about monster and it's new twenty fifth anniversary box set being not worth with your time. I've always waited for Michael Stipe Solo record. I think everybody has. What is he going to do? You Know Peter Buck has done a million things Qatar sent rem but Michael Types never put his name on a solo recording. And now he did. He apparently has quite a few recordings done. All done by himself are awaiting proper album release but he rushed released your capricious soul a single in October. Two time it with the international climate justice protests. And he's giving the the proceeds to An organization called extinction rebellion. The death of the planet under global warming is on Michael Steps Mind and he has nothing to say about the lyrics of this song seemed to be more about social media and somebody grumbling about people thinking they know you went. All they know is what said on social media and he delivers them in a in a very high. I sort of Vocal style it's not quite full seto. But it ain't Michael Stipe mumbling wonderful gruff baritone. Either I mean I you know no no apologies this. This guy has one of the best voices for my money in the history of rock and roll period. You know and I have so long. been waiting to see. What a just Michael Stipe diaper recording would be any turns out to be an inferior copy of Moby Right Electron ick track with vocals. That are not his is best saying absolutely nothing with no melody. And I'm saying I waited thirty years for this just bums me out and so does that that monster box and so does the way. Rem broke my heart. You know I ain't I ain't gonNA defend anything after automatic for the people at this point but damn everything to automatic his brilliant. Michael Stipe your precious soul on sound opinions hut his Honey peeled or south of the sea because through feed your body to search shade. y'All come pre shows so News the Michael Stipe your capricious soul a single from forthcoming album. Waited half a century for a Solo Michael Stipe and it was not worth the wait. Maybe he needed Peter Billon Mike after all rem's not rem rem after Drummer Bill Berry left. That's my contention. You got one more Thanksgiving Leftover Jim. We got inundated with fiftieth anniversary. Woodstock documentaries and right packagings and reminiscences classic baby boomer gathering in the rural New York's love and understanding the nine. Yeah this and mud. There were a few performances in this concert. That were overlooked one of them being by one of the. Headliners creedence clearwater revival there. There are people I've known over the years I didn't even realize it. Credence was part of that festival. Even though they were the first band that really came on board and they were so big. At the time time that they're signing up to perform at Woodstock convinced others to sign up as well we're talking about the WHO Jimi Hendrix. People of that they were in the midst of a run of three classic albums. Buy You country. Green River William Poor boys all released within a ten month span ban of the year. I mean those are three classic albums and they were at the height of their fame in many ways and the height of their abilities as a four piece rock and roll band but they're eleven song fifty five minutes set was not in. The movie was not in the soundtrack because John Fogerty the lead singer in the band felt it was subpar He said we came out there after midnight because all the other bands went long and everybody was asleep and nobody nobody cared. Nobody in the audience seemed to care. He was wrong about that. I think he was a little bit miffed that they went on so late but people did care and the fact that the many many millions more people actually saw the movie V and heard the soundtrack than we're actually at the festival that was not a strong marketing move on John part in terms of getting. CCR's name out there. It was an indication Acacia of the way. CCR continually shot itself in the foot. Here's a band that never really got the recognition. It was due broke up before its time. Because of you know interband interband squabbling fogarty. Left famously did not perform the songs for years decades because he got screwed on the publishing talk about an early history of a great band that may have been changed somewhat had had the band agreed to have its music. Put Out in the soundtrack in the movie it now we finally have that performance. Here's what they sounded like. It's great it's part of this massive box set and you can hear it on on on various streaming services. You can also buy it if you wish. CCR performing a cover of screaming. Jay Hawkins I put a spell on you at Woodstock in nineteen sixty nine. Unsound Unsound You DO I. What's it won't okay? I'll tell you aw art I put a spell on you. We've played a recently but but no one's heard the CCR version or very a few people have from that woodstock box. I've got one more song that Many people probably haven't heard but should thanksgiving leftover you and I were huge fans ends of the two albums that savages the UK. Based aren't Peng I and released silence yourself. Twenty thirteen adore life in two thousand sixteen. And and you and I turn each other at least every three or four months and say we need a new savage right. I mean I've I've been on record saying this is the best band I've heard since Nirvana I love those. Two who records live. They were even stronger. We have not had new savages music. I do not think they are officially broken up but they are on hiatus and members members of the band are doing different things. The most active one has been Jenny Beth the vocalist. She's a young Frenchwoman. Who joined these three bandmates in savages in in the UK you know she had a career before savages as part of a Lo fi duo with her partner johnny hostile John and Jen and she's been working with him in the interim a lot of interesting little projects score for a documentary about Chelsea Manning X. Y. Chelsea she was part of a Bowie tribute? She he did some stuff with guerrillas. She did some stuff with Julian. CASABLANCAS OF STROKES But I think this single which just came out it's streaming all over the place lace. I'm the man is the most significant thing she's given us and it really wet my appetite for new savages. Because it's in that mold of furious post post punk noise guitar and then this unexpected beautiful almost orchestral breakdown. I'm the man. According to Jenny Beth is is about all men and all humans at this point in time and the complexities of the evil they're capable of but also so as always with savages that that ray of hope we can be better. We can strive to be more. It was interestingly debuted as part of the soundtrack of peaky blinders. Where's that British crime? Love Them. I love that show. You love that show. I do have lots of friends who love that show. I don't get that show. I don't get it but I get this song. I really get this song. You know when you thinking rock history back to fifty five Diddley. I'm a man you know. And how many rock songs have we had about a man. I'm the man or I'm hot stuff. Basically right and Jenny Beth was she puts a different spin on that whole notion with her song. Original I'm the man here. It is unsound opinions on this. Is they come to. Zeus sued. Seem this man. That's good stuff. Mime the man by Jenny Beth. Jenny get those savages back to work. Not that we don't love your solo efforts we do has has something from the music world. been hanging around in your refrigerator or has it been on your mind this year and we haven't gotten to it. Let us know. Give us a call at eight. Eight eight eight eight five nine thousand nine hundred or connect with us on our busy facebook group or on twitter coming up. Dj Shadow talks about how he found the sample for a song on his new album. Plus Jim you're going to pop a quarter in the desert island jukebox What are you gonNA play? You know what Chuck Berry did for driving around in your automobile deal with his singles and what the Beach Boys Did for surfing. I'm GONNA play a song. Does that for skateboarding. Cool that's in a minute on Sunday opinions from WBZ CHICAGO GO NPR ex nun ladies and Gentleman almoner ladies gentlemen irate red nose Welcome back to sound opinions. I'm greg cotton and that's a little bit of rocket fuel the first single from DJ shadows Seattle's new album power. Pathetic age it's mostly ambitious effort in years twenty-three tracks half sampled based instrumentals and instrumental suite back in the first half of the record and then the other half featuring guests like Run the jewels. Nods Fantastic Negro Della Saul who provide the vocals on this particular regular track for our sample platter segment producer Sir Andrew Gill Talk to Dj Shadow about how he built rocket fuel around old doo-wop sample but talking with the sampling. Legend like shadow. The conversation sation started way before that with the beginnings of his famous record collection. I started buying and accumulating records In the early eighties mainly as just a fan of music and a fan of hypocrisy. I started to sell my comic books. I had a paper route. I just was trying to hustle to be able to buy a couple of records at the end of every week. The sampling became more prevalent in hip hop starting around eighty six eighty seven. I became interested in the source material. That people were using to make the records in one thousand nine hundred seven. That was really my first trip to a record store with the express purpose of buying parliament records and James Brown records. I I had a little list of break. Beats that I transcribe data of a magazine from the UK called enemy back in eighty seven. It was really easy. You know what I mean. They're especially where I lived in California. There was nobody going around buying these records at all and they were cheap and they were everywhere. So that's really when I I started buying older records and there's that kind of semi famous scene in the movie scratch where down in the basement of records on K.. Street probably probably two million records down there stacked up in eight feet. High pillars over here is where I was taking. And there's the mummified that under one of the records. Nice what's your Steph here. Gas smells like gas. I guess. That's just the brackets. I'd bring my portable turntable down there and just start going through records and pulling things that spoke to me and I'm honestly you believe that certain things kind of shine and and demand to be examined. That was my only process. I would kind of go through records Kurds in one would speak to me or have a particular vibration to it and I pull it out and listen to it and throughout the making my my entire first album Anytime I got stuck anytime I felt like I needed inspiration or more source material I would drive to K street and go down down in the basement and inevitably end up finding the key that unlocked. Whatever problem I was happy you know obviously not everything I would pull allow would be a gem? Obviously I don't have my equipment there anything so I would have to imagine what this work with what I have going on back home in my studio so I would just grab stuff stack by stack. If you're grabbing sixty seventy records at on a weekly basis before long you know stuff starts to add a starting I guess around ninety seven ninety eight I could see the window closing and I basically dedicated eight ten years years of most of my free time to just traveling around the US and a visiting warehouses in trying to source records. And I really overbought. Because I was so fearful that I would wake up one day and I would have no more source material. And there'd be no place to go out and replenish so at this point. I have more records than I'll probably ever be able to get through. And that's not a bragging thing I mean people talk about the size of collections. And all that to me. It's utterly really irrelevant freak down. I got a call from my dad. Basically saying that a friend of his who I I knew from you you know him hanging around through the years ahead some records and he wanted to get rid of them. I could just come and pick them up and my dad lives about an hour away two Hours away on a bad traffic day. So that's a four hour round trip and I was kind of sitting there going okay. Well I don't WanNa let my dad's friend down. He wants somebody to take them. I should be a good son in. Just come get this stuff you know what I mean. It was more of that than I think. I'm excited about the prospect. Picking up these records. I have plenty at this point but you know I don't WanNa stop. I enjoy the process of gathering still so I said said okay. I'll go out and pick them up and as I was driving. I just had this feeling that I get some times where you go you know. What are you doing? You could be doing a million other do things with your time right now. What's wrong with you that you feel compelled to still do this? And I pulled up and it was a couple of boxes of records and I kinda fingered angered through them and it was a kind of odd assortment and he told me that a lot of the records were from an old roommate or something like that. I didn't think much of IT and end. It's not like I was seeing a bunch of stuff. The main my pulse quick and it was more just like random and kind of a shrug so I take the records in it sort it becomes assimilated into whatever else. I've picked up over the last three months my routine every morning and to kind of get away and get my brain. Working is all spend about an hour an hour and a half just plain through records. And you know in the process of doing that this is this one particular morning I played the record and it was a record by the bell minds The cover was taken at a candy shop. Either in New Jersey or New York just had that East Coast feel to it. I just was studying the photo and I realized the photo had a particular quality that I always liked ever particular era and in particular style film I. I liked the quality of the photos and was looking at it and playing through the record and it was kind of what I thought it would be. Acapella kind of doo-wop revivalist stuff in the early seventies mid seventies and even late seventies with Sean on a number of other revivalist groups Flash Cadillac DOC and the continental kids. There were a few different bands that were kind of riding this wave of nostalgia for the fifties uh but playing through the record. I was like okay. This is this is kind of cool. Oh I see what they're doing and they still sounded great. I had a respect for what they were trying to do. And it seemed like it was done with integrity and done with care and when I hear things like that on a record. It sort of motivates me to let the needle just stay where it is and and let the ricky playing so I let it play and then can discover of Nana. Hey is good bye bye. Steam came on and it was Kinda cool. How the vocals were arranged to kind of do all the instruments and do all the singing parts on and and after about a minute of playing through it and looking at the cover? While I'm listening I kind of went. Wait let me hear this again and I just you know picked up the needle and put it back to the beginning of the track and then I started a process that I do maybe one out of every twenty twenty thirty forty fifty records. Whatever where I went okay? I'M GONNA make a recording of this with the purpose of potentially sampling so I get a particular protocol session together. I record the part I WANNA use. And then that becomes like this batch of source material that I can reference back to add a point win making music and inspired to make music so when it came time to start working on the record just spoke to me. I opened up a session imported the the sample and started building a beat around. Did it and for me. It just screamed. This is a rap track because the singing was a constant constant and I just thought it would be really cool to juxtapose that with a straight up rap voice as soon as I found doubt. They're doing stuff on mass appeal. which is my same label? I made the inquiry and and it just it just happened really quickly and really smoothly. The green light go ties. Burn the pavement. People WanNa know positive win. Philip head off all being moved in a frenzy blends meaning. They sound like they have and missed. Step you know what I mean like. There's been at no point. Have they ever stopped doing it. And I love it for that reason it. I only like to take things about fifty percent of the way before. I pass them off to vocalist. Because I don't like to hear music that sounds like there was a finished instrumental and then somebody came along did something over the top and then they said okay it's D- to me it doesn't feel like there's a give and take in. Collaboration should be a give and take a day law wrote to it. Sent me vocal SPEC. I loved it. They rearranged certain things with the hook and some of the background vocals and then just went in finish the music and then I thought you know what I wanna put horns on distract attract they recorded. Some Horan's listened lived with it for a couple of weeks and thought you know what okay this needs. Scratch breakdown It was a true kind of journey the strategy after I got the vocals it probably took me about two and a half three months to finish. That's the way I'd like to do. Things is to live with them for a while until I start to feel where things drag or the arrangement management has a flaw and I need to fix that flaw and you really need time to do that. Rocket like rocket you tell you. This whole island was bewitched Richard Paul we were shipwrecked together as often as possible on opinions. We like to take a trip to the Desert Island Papa. Quarter in the Desert Island jukebox and play a song. We cannot live without Jim. It's your turn Grega. Got One of my last Dj's was inspired by my class this semester music and media in Chicago. And I'm I'm going to that well again. Because just the other day I was lecturing on Lupe fiasco one of the key talents to emerge from Chicago hip hop and the light in. My young students is eighteen when many of them year for the first time can't push by. Now there's this song we played on the show from time to time in fact. We did a sample platter on this song by two two and a half three years ago right because the sample is fascinating soundtrack produced for young Wassily Mohammed. Jayco his debut album food and liquor he produced kick push and they built the song around a couple of seconds of Bolero Medley from one thousand nine hundred eighty two by Filipino. Singer et Celeste Legaspi. And it's the perfect swelling orchestral sample that Lupe then brilliantly uses to evoke the feeling. I've never been on a skateboard. Okay I gotta confess that but I have talked to many skateboarders You know this idea of kick push push push coast rarely in history of popular music as the idea of motion in a car on a surfboard on a skateboard. been so wonderfully invoked in music as in this track And every verse ends with a really sad refrain that I think is familiar not too many African American teenagers boys and girls. They hear something like there's no skating here not for you right. Children of color in in this country are demonized when this is not for you not here. And I think it's political in that sense and it is fun. And it is based on a wonderfully obscure sample simple and and it just works on every single level. Here it is kick push by Lupe fiasco on sound so my homie out there legally legally. You don't talk about so check it out. I got it when he was sixteen. Sixteen no windy tricks. Matter of fact first time he landed on his pants. We talk with a list like this. The stormy Brian Shaw didn't quit. It was something in the air. He said it was something so he couldn't fight the village. Something about cutting down and understand the I ching land labelled a misfit abandoned. His name was standards so he was banished to the started in the morning. One stopped after John here when they said it's getting late here. Sorry Young Man. There's no escape so Coast just rebels of the world with no place to go was so jake Lupe fiasco with kick push came out in the spring of two thousand six. I'll never forget watching Kanye West perform at a giant field in in Chicago. And he says I got a friend and across the stage Skates Lupe fiasco was awesome. That was a great moment. I remember being. There was terrific Saturday night in Chicago. Thanks yeah what are we gonNA show next week next week. Jim We are going to dig deep into the life of beat generation icon William burroughs and his connection to rock and roll. Taymor sound opinions. You can listen to the podcast wherever you find such things. The show is produced by Brendan Benazech. Alex Clayborn Iona contraire is an Andrew. Gill well here. A few simple admonition show on sound opinions. Everyone's everyone's a critic so now it's time to hear what you have to say new messages. Hey guys this is gated in Chicago. I I really enjoyed your recent buried treasure show and someone I think who's an absolute gem is e Toyo. She just released this month Track doc glass is it was a remix of the joy thieves and for anyone who liked the matrix soundtrack. She's doing an amazing job of keeping during the dark wave sound and the aesthetic alive and well. I think the soundscape on that track is just gorgeous and It's not just that's your sound. No her live performances phenomenal. I saw her at subterranean in Chicago. Recently where she was in one woman act multiple instrumentalist vocalist vocalist. Shed light video effects. Absolutely amazing holy dropped my jaw. She's the real deal all right ankle breaking out of yourself sign toys. The aglow winker death is it. Is We choose game this season. Pay If five Jimmy Greg this pile of Kentucky Kentucky. You've got a wealth of great music in the grass state ladies from Surgical Center and Tyler K.. Jails in my morning jacket. That just a wealth of great music coming coming out of Kentucky but a buried treasure here the up and coming singer. Songwriter Ian no debut releases between the country Hotshot Nashville. Oh God Dave producers. F- extreme stories filled with unflinching cast of characters and Irene Irene. Just one of them Irene. Dan Dan at midnight on smokey bear to the boarding Horton home. Favorite sheils here. There's a lot of them. told them plainspoken tone own spin a tale liking going around today. A lot of people compared him to Honorary Kentucky and John. That's a high claim. But it's I think it's quite white movie. Check out here. No He's making Kentucky Proud and he just another good singer songwriter. She's ever villain every bill. Hey this is Mike from New York City calling. I really enjoy your show Songs that make you cry. That's really my jam. I love any kind of songs that make you cry. Because that's what's more powerful than that something that makes me cry. They are like really good wedding songs. You know being married and committing yourself to somebody is It's a big responsibility. So can really make a person emotional and especially when it's mixed with great harmonies on a couple of examples of that Won The power of two by indigo girls. is certainly one of my favorite songs in general and it always brings a tear to my eye and we actually had a friend. Play that at our wedding eh chase girls and and seven spot and adding to multiply on the go no more messages to give us your opinions. Unsound opinions caller hotline eight eight eight eight five nine eighteen hundred. We'll be back next week with more sound opinions produced by W._B._Z. Chicago and distributed by P._R. Ex.

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John Cameron Mitchell launches Sob Sister

Launch Left

40:46 min | 9 months ago

John Cameron Mitchell launches Sob Sister

"Listen I am rain I am summer. You're listening and watching launch left. Podcast space for fame creative to launch the next wave of music rebels and intentional space to highlight and empower all artists from radical. Creativity is not a choice but a necessity. Welcome to the episode. We have a very special guest again. Every time we have a special guest a very special guest she ever trustee Pencil Taking notes during this Irish is doing the crossword -sition so have my pencil in hand saying we couldn't be more different at it comes across words. I have tried. It gets her frustrating to me to do a crossword. But it's something you are obsessed with basically like your favorite Sunday New York Times Crossword. Just like yeah. It's just a part of your brain that you if you exercise it than at something that you like to do. You know it's like bizarrely just has it's like trivia or something. It's like knowing things but I do it with My kids grandma. And we've been doing it. She takes picture of it and the of the crossword she got set and then I predict it out and then we facetime and we do it together. And she's a seventy seven year old East Coast Educated Public School teacher for thirty five years powerhouse. Brilliant lady and so she gets all of the clues that I don't get and it's a good match. We do have a loss on. Hi Guys. Hi What an agency is that a circular room? You're in yes look at this. It's a hundred year old kind of stone. You're it's interesting how some people who didn't have families where like all right you know someone who had a bigger place. Maybe you guys are going to. We're going to quarantine together. Which I think was really smart. If you could do that if you had a lot of people you don't. WanNa do them right. That is that is that the thing. Yeah that is a thing you know like nobody's GonNa want to be the line with lone carrier in the house. No emily enhance exactly. No kids that star trek ups are all. The GROWNUPS ARE GONE. All the GROWNUPS. Grownups which was the name of a punk band. It's somebody I knew is in either was done the LSC or it was billy. Muny member from lost in space started doing pump stuff seventies. Go you really are a little kid from well. I have the knowledge of one hundred one hundred year old all. It's just so weird that people who passed or all these legendary people you know John Prime and Hal Wilner and Adam Schlesinger and I don't know if Marianne faithful's out of the hospital yet I know can you know Boris Johnson is but which is good. I don't wish anything bad on anyone. But these out he. He lost his do. They can't find placed knowledge of one hundred one year old. You've crosswords no do you guys. I don't we. Were just having that discussion before you came on. Summer is an avid crossword puzzle. Road Penn probably right. Now look in my last puzzle. It was like you know something about playwright. Mitchell and I was like sorry wasn't yet with who wasn't if but I have to crank out. She did Hayden's town. Yeah that's I think of remorse dramatic songwriter. But are you just said that how you think of her not necessarily like what label she should have? You have so many labels Saudis. Think of yourself I try to avoid the labels put not in that old fashioned way or is like I'm not gay. I'm just me I do feel kind of like a you know. That's that was the sort of punk rock classic case news from ever. Stop labeling me when they were just terrified. Oj would say he wasn't. Blackie was Jiang Betsy. -ality yeah we'll probably so they you know. I'm not like I'm Jay because I beyond race night succeeded where I wanted to which is in the master the master race or the monoculture whatever and my heroes Bob Mould and Michael Stipe and most people who were kind of closeted at the beginning and then realized it wasn't a big deal they were coming up in the time of AIDS to. I understand that I was younger so I wasn't. I was safe from the beginning. I wasn't afraid of of the. You know the history the joy of being queer and and thought you know we're GonNa Save the world and save each other and of course the government was not helping in many many people died and it sounds weirdly familiar to right now. You know when the when this is all settled. I hope there's an accounting you know of the failures to end the heroes I am in cruising people who are away from homes. Donate THEIR PLACE TO HEALTHCARE WORKERS. Who can't go home from work? Actually airbnb to their credit has an option where you can give it to a healthcare worker. These people are heroes. They're just you know with no help from the federal government or minimal you know hoax a hoax as people die. It's just it brings me back to to the eighties nineties like from the original questions. I don't like to save any one thing. Because it just limits things and grew up in the seventies where it was a k. To do a million things and not define yourself. And I my mind is still stuck. In in that creatively in the seventies if not in other ways Chameleons like Bowie and who were writers directors and producers. Did a bunch of things. Were my heroes. You said that it wasn't that by the time. Like because your heroes like Michael Stipe in separate car were older than you and and that they sort of started out in their careers and sort of closeted way but that it was much easier for you. What about within your family? Was that your diet. Right is military based and did you feel that? Same sort of Was there an EAS will? He was actually a closet case which I discuss in anthem. Denis O'hare place my dad in it and he was the general and very beloved leader like people just loved him because he was really funny and he taught me in a way how to direct. Would you know to delegate and just say I don't know surprised me you know and and like keep the jokes going and keep it light But pull your way do your work. You know anyone apathetic. That's the only time I ever get angriest not when you know a rain. Storm destroys a shot. It's like when someone is lazy and doesn't WanNa be there when there's so many people who do that makes me mad too and he wanted me to be an army. Probably be a general and when I out a couple of years later. He wrote this letter saying that he had been with many men you know before he met my mom and then he did the right thing and and I can too and I said I'm not marrying mom because you married Alzheimer's now she kind of knew deep down they were very Catholic and they loved each other. It just probably wasn't very sexual which is probably why it lasts a long his Wi- recommend old fashioned gay marriages which is fag fag. Hag which will last forever when you came out it was a little freer than let's say some of your heroes but from then till now have you seen every watch the landscape change and do you feel that. It changed fast enough for that. There's a lot more inclusively. Or what is your opinion on that when we come out of a creative world so even then it was weirdly. Closeted you know in the eighties before that you know I was in theater school at northwestern and all these queens were closet. I was like what an AIDS at self radicalized felt selfish to be the closet. You know I would go to these auditions in the late eighties. For head of the class and macgyver with my silence equals death men. Don't tell me how to fucking live. You can tell me how to act so I would. I would turn down jobs that felt to grow your whatever people were shocked and but I had great teachers who told me that saying no to something doesn't feel right as as as can be as powerful as saying yes to something that does feel right and it narrows you doesn't it keeps you out of you know. Horde them You know there's nothing wrong with sex work but horde them implies you're giving up part of yourself that you shouldn't maybe it felt selfish to be in the closet when people were dying and Reagan and Bush. Were doing nothing. I was out since I was doing. My Action Movies Band of the hand in these movies in the eighties. Ridiculous and going out in La like the first club in the eighties. Which was uncool. Play the Ramones and Partridge family and now a staple so it was Mike. Culture was coming out of weirdly at of clubs but the underground clubs and that felt like a weird kind of fuck you to the homogeneity of of Hollywood where is making my money and then there was theater which was freer But people dying around me and that Dj died died of AIDS. And I only survived because I never got fucked and I came out right when it hit so. I was safe from the beginning. You know and I still have a problem with being fucked because I have a flashbacks to the time. You know Now you have such a tough time getting I what you liked to explore sexuality remaking. You're not on this fucking you're like Diagram. I did because I grew up. Catholic sex mis the scariest and most interesting thing ever and being gay was even worse. So you know Butt fucking worse you know. It's a very he. I don't know what it's like for you guys. But you know I have a prostate which is supposed to a plus for that and for me it was like it became metaphor not only was tied to death but it was tied to a lack of control an invasion in Volterra ability. And all those things that were very scary for me outside of AIDS emotionally scary and then later when it was safer even then I was scared. Probably partly because my boyfriend had the biggest Dick and in the eastern seaboard. But it was like he was is my sweetie Developed Hedvig with and he passed away in two thousand and four Substance Abuse Problem But loved him very much and in some ways anthem oculus is migrate pulling with that with his death and with all the death in my life The way short bus was grappling with sex. You know my second film was extremely explicit with actors who were willing to go there for dramatic reasons not for porn reasons and it was a really good experience with people who I cast before I had a story because there were so few people who might want to go there that I just cast interesting people. I in through Improv. We created scripts of for the piece back. Then of course attention was more from a right wing Christian thing now. I don't know if I could make that film. Because e from the left there's more panic about sex in a way. That's you know in some ways very justified because it has to do with people dealing with with violation But then you sometimes get a inherent American puritanism in you know in in people who are considered liberal. I E how dare I you know I was making it now. How Dare I assist? White Male. Have an Asian woman had an orgasm in front of him. You know. There's sex equals expectation For some you know in the METOO era now which is which I support. You know the people who need to be stopped. There's sometimes a little bit of erotic phobia that comes into that as well. You Know Andrea Dworkin. All sexes violation. Which is a weird puritan thing too. So you get a Lotta young people scared about consent knows all those things and scared about real live interactions which are messy unlike masturbating to porn or doing something online so you get fewer and fewer people actually having sex you know the curves going way down in Corona Times of course is very little. It's interesting though. I wonder I mean I always think about consent and use. Yup You know because we're not fully developed Often when we've already begun some of us to have Saxon have sexual relations and there's so much wrapped up in in what what our bodies want. What what our minds want what we think could be other once Like do I say Yes to John Cameron Mitchell. Who's making this you know exploratory About sex or do I or do I not do. I mean like I feel I and certainly not a purist but I definitely In in this time also looking back on my use site I think about that a lot about how much is a young person. We what consent. What consent actually means. Because we don't really even know necessarily ourselves what we want. No and that's but also the idea of safe play and safe exploration is the key you know. It's not just the idea of being afraid of someone hurting your taking advantage of you. It's also being afraid of these things within yourself that you might love and you you. Can't you know people confused too? And if you know our generation we didn't have as much porn flying around so we kind of invented sex you know or we had i. Ideally someone who is a little bit more experienced. Who could gently in the misfit way in? Teach you stuff without taking advantage of you. Which is what happened to me. And you invent your own sex and there's something beautiful about two people who haven't starting it you know and that has been taken away harshly by porn because the images are so there that especially for young guys they try to imitate it. It's not just like that. They get you know they're Dick. Get Soft and you get nineteen year olds with you know with impotence problems which was never brabham before. But it's all in your head now you know and guys with good intentions. We end women having strong feelings and then thinking these strong feelings. Someone's GonNa get hurt here. I'm wanting it more than them at my repaying. Ma'am it's made Ashley you know. All of these things. Just stop people I think from having sex and they just end up just jerking offer to something. Say you know the or or simple you know. I think it's kind of crushing a natural flow of safety and play. You know that comes from you know a lot of images and stories about abuse that has real so i. It's for kids now which who seemed to not as much get into relationships you know until they're out of college even. I don't know if that's the case with your kids. You know the idea of the committed you know or friend a girlfriend. Or whatever is kind of passe. Mom Right it's like do you go about all your art from the same place. I moved around a lot as a kid. I was an Army Brat. A like Michael Stipe. You're like a lot of artists actually. So you don't really feel like you fit in and often end up with the freaks and whatever whoever they may be the might be donors they might be the drama kids. It might be the the army. Life was strange because he in one way it was good because it was the one functioning socialist state in the US socialist system. You know it's a social state for rednecks. They don't know what they got this. We could take an. We can take examples from them for our country. You know you get health health care housing you get you know you get your stuff that you do your job. Everybody was from somewhere else and it was not a big deal. Spy never understood small town bullshit. I never understood judgment from national origin or or anything because he was what you brought to the Party so the army was almost like York or La. It's like where you're from is just a conversation started. It's not a judgment right so for me against it came from that outsider. Show being the new guy in town all the time being the gay guy closeted for awhile being afraid of my feminine side and trying to erase that are crush it until I got to got bored with that and did a created hedvig with composer. Stephen Trask at this club called squeeze box in early nineties Obviously did you go. Oh squeaks Fox time on right did you go? I mean probably I have a really bad memory before you even remember it. Yeah it was before you came to New York. It was early ninety ninety three ninety four or was ninety. Four Ninety five ninety four. Yeah Yeah and it was. Raining was a true punk. Rock drag club predominantly queer. You stood idle happening. It's yeah yeah just texted with him so of course I've heard about it. I just don't know if I ever stepped foot in their summer. Vr Right. You're I remember. I mean it was happening in La too. Interestingly drag culture has different feelings in different towns and was also scared me being afraid of my feminine side and in L. A. You know there was vaginal Cream Davis. You Know Badge we. Noor who is a six foot five built like a linebacker Black Valley girl who is punk rock and would just crack me up and she had a band called black fag which I thought was so cool so smart yeah and and the La Queens were harder core. I think they were rebelling against the Hollywood. Should they were like you know hardcore San Francisco was warmer more hippie. You know tranny shack was an early It was inspired by squeeze box and started by my friend. Heck Lena who's actually here. In Ob Spring. We've been doing shows on her patio right so dragon. New York was obviously kind of came out of you know the you know the war hall and then a punk scene so it was harder. It was more like fuck you and it was more You know the the Great Queen who is from Atlanta originally was gene county seems the Great Punk Rock Queen. Jane County was originally Wayne County Which she named herself. Because Papas from Wayne County Michigan and people like a lily of the valley. Mistress FORMICA miss. Mike lawsuits the host a stereo vine. Who is incredible? I was just texting her role. Still barely alive Actually the very first livestream performance was at from squeeze. Box Nineteen ninety-four. Some Queen had some early Internet interest. They did a show. Called sex drags in rock and roll. It was fantastic. This guy named Jimmy Johns. My favorite moment was Jimmy. James who was a traditional drag queen who did Marilyn Monroe was not punk rock was encouraged to do stairway to heaven as Marilyn Monroe sort of the idea was was after she was dead and she was forced to sing the song and there were giant cue cards in front of the income and it was so brilliant and she could sing that anyone could scream it and it was all these things coming together that I loved so I was finally my male female. My whatever side were coalescing in punk which was always very queer. You know like I think of the first. Punk is a little Richard. You know who's the drag Queen Screamer? David Bowie took his said. We're Loretta was as his biggest hero. You know and Louis Louis Park of a pop. Of course all of these you know queer does Were the basis of rock and roll. So it's like bring it back you know and HEDVIG was a smaller character in peace. I was writing. You know more traditional piece theater peace with Stephen Trask. Who was running the house band at squeeze box and he wrote. I gave him the Plato Myth of the origin of love and that was our first song. We sang it at squeeze box and and it went so well that the woodstock ninety four Scout zehr invited us to play Woodstock Ninety four which was at disastrous woodstock. I didn't go and then I was asked to host a step in as a host. You know when Debbie Harry saying you know and it was just like. She was kind of out of fashion than but not to the gays. Not to have never out. And it was the most ecstatic show. I've ever seen at Don Hill's Debbie Harry. People were just like tendrils of an anemone there were just in heaven. So that's where my doing drag for the first time. Suddenly my feminine side was as important as my masculine and they blurred and from that point on I found I used to not find feminine guys attractive because of my own FEM PHOBIA and after that. It cured me immediately. You know you know how some people on these dating outs or like no blacks just preference or you know it's just like you know on. Grindr it's like you know what a versions are not preferences. Yeah there's things that you're that turn your head right. Maybe you grow up. There was a blonde babysitter. And you know you see a blonde. Now you just have. That's called Fetish. That's called you know a type but in a version tends to come from trauma and it comes from also comes from society telling this this something wrong with the feminine Boy A-block boy a whatever you know so when you think it's just a preference that you're not into Asian people think again you know it might actually be someone else telling you what to like or not like So I my cured myself that fem phobia and an integrated myself and realized that the ultimate person is using all of these energies within us. You know in if you don't use them it's kind of like an animal that died in your wall. My last GIG was getting an award in Portland. I was also doing live listening. Parties for my anthem among Keillor's marathon. Like all ten episodes. I did WANNA Portland on the eight and then a an award on the ninth and right. That was probably the last event in Portland too. So why don't ward all kind of the one trade how you get it? It was called cinema unbound which very vague and Todd Haynes and. I got one from the Portland Festival which is good. Yeah I'm starting to get these little mid-career awards which just means I'm still alive. And we'll show up in palm springs gay but not dead gave it not dead. I have three friends here who were. Were trying to make a sourdough bread and stuff like that. It's you know it's it's a living read. It can live for centuries they've by just seriously w keep eating it it can just stay alive. They've they start. They've done you know whatever it is. Yeah until like until they can't find the ancestor anymore. It's like the longest lived thing in the world and probably eat covert for breakfast between bouts of of sadness Death certain people and just a general panic and despair. There's a a sort of loving being here and reading and for what I was usually. I'm very task based I have to be writing something and I'm like let go of that and reading some beautiful things and reading Every day on Instagram I do a nation with Walt Whitman's leaves of grass. I ask a question and then spin and find the answer in the poem. I also have A couple of lesbian pastimes. I called in Lesbian. Because they're crafty and natural. So I when I was doing heavy really got into a essential oils which you know. And there's of course non essential oils now according to the government of essential oils and make making blends giving them as gifts you know and I can't measure them so they'd come however they came out so I started doing that with a you. Know a hundred ninety proof ever clear an essential oils and making hand sanitizers for people on your stones. We always thinking in. I was a cub scout. You know thinking of what you can do to be prepared but in a gay way and now I'm making a CD sleep AIDS with you know I find like really cheap CD in Colorado and really cheap. Thc California and then make my own blends for people to sleep better because you need a little bit of THC with CBD really. Maybe that maybe your dreams are. I've been doing that for about a year so I think it's about the comeback or maybe the chocolate Of So it's all good. Are you in a relationship right now? Shut up how about this job. We talk about your launch. Start as he's standing by and was GONNA command. Do you want a ready to talk to him? Or Yes Kim Gray cadence we were just talking about how into one song of yours. That was on like a group album. I don't know what their calls. I don't know I'm calling it a group album compilation album. Her and it had newton at like this sort of like be Bob Sixties by your guessing guessing. You heard the. It's where the boys are is my cutler where the boys are Connie Francis. Yeah yeah. I was a child actor. I did theater growing up and My first big GIG was on the National Broadway tour of the full monty and so I did that in musical theater was like everything to me growing up. I was definitely the Queen. Yeah but then when I do around when I turned fourteen I started to discover that what I liked the most about performing about using all my talents that was honing with being creative and a lot of times with like the acting I was doing I worked once. I came back from that to our started working for Disney channel and doing stuff like that teen show stuff like that and it just was not what I was looking for. Were out of what I was pursuing a I discovered that what I love about. It is being creative so songwriting. I'm able to create the entire world myself us every single talent that I've you know every single thing that I love to do sing Just put it all together and create my own world and get I get to make what I WANNA make music for sure. I've noticed that is like it's very different than you know being hired as an actor. You're at the mercy of. It's a beautiful collaboration with all art forms. But you're still one cog in the wheel. Few riding around size and producing. You'd have more like oh I'm running the whole ship. It's a different. It's a different And especially the acting that I was doing I was like doing. Disney Channel Shows. Nickelodeon shows which were great. They were fun experiences but literally people will say. I want you to say like this. I want you to go up at the end. I want you so there's no creativity. There's no artistry in it It's purely business. Which is fine. Because that's what it is. But that's not why I started not to pursue this as a kid. It's because I like to be creative and I like to sing and perform and put it all together. so yeah in whether anyone listens to it or not like. I just get off on making stuff that I wanNA make I have to ask is is not your stage name. Caitlyn grail where you just fortunate enough to boom. My mom is very creative so I'm fortunate enough all my brothers. We have interesting names really boring middle names so it's real Michael just fine but they gave us all ordinary middle names that we didn't like her own career. I names could use our government. You have all on brothers siblings. Three brothers and you to write jam see I do have a we were four. One of my brothers died when he was young. But I have two younger brothers. One in L. A. Who's making I'm producing his fictional podcasts. A starring Ed Asner which is now called the longer spree kids too and my other brothers in Colorado Springs near my mom. Thank you also much. Thank you so much seriously. Such a pleasant exciting surprise your needs to be involved in any way a really really appreciate it. Thank you so much you guys. Everybody take care. This is soft sisters new single. How I do my hair now. Only was rookies Too I want I want to bid tau where I drown any gave me Yeah Net Turkey. I saw him. Kiss you. It's can fight so hard for truth to know us and you gave me a a too so hard this how I do my ally that too game the a a by uh we held onto. Were Ashes Sarah to a goal. Lean how do you mind how I do? My Near? My our allies Launch left aims to create an intentional space that highlights and empowers all artists for whom radical creativity is not a choice but a necessity launch. Left begins with music but it's ultimate aim is to launch left of center artists in all creative fields.

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"On. How life goes. Relax, I, know I want forward to this all week? To relax to it's all good. Thank you I. Just Wanda. Thank you that's all I wanna do I just want I just want everything to be fucking wonderful. Yeah. It's real. Good. Everything's wonderful. Recording we're going I just want I. Just want wonder for all of us great wonders. Let's the thing you do. I just want all of us to watch the wonder years with Paul Pfeiffer. Fred Senator You knew Winnie. Cooper was going to be hot. Rod. With Cooper, look like. It's cool. Because I was I was the age of the characters. So it was okay for me to be like, Oh yeah. When he cooper's going to be out and we can tell. But I, was like I was a young kid very so you aren't like Oh i, think she has an extremely tight posting. No, not known more like, oh I love her because she's so unless you just so she's like the girl next door now you remember when we were growing the girl next door to me was terrible looking by the way this is not like yeah. Wasn't cool up in New York. Yeah. Not a stretch. Overnight drive everybody episode to ninety five it's not that. I. I feel like it's only four like you might be one episode to ninety four K. I. Don't know might be wrong. Episode episode, we'll look it up. Here we are. What are we? Who are within? Oh we forgot to turn the fan off in producer do star trek crawling. He's knows. To turn off the. Creek reducing producer Craig sworn off laughing tonight even though. Clapping, that's interesting. He's not sworn off reckon clap and like a motherfucker. Four. To Ninety four we are. Sworn of laughing but that was my favorite part on the last. Let Freak flag fly freak flag flies crew producer. Appreciate is. Has Long hair he don't care. That's true. Will really love the photo view praying and having a Tulu answer your prayers. So as as a lot of fun. Really good. Yeah. He's good. He's in front of the laptop. He's toiling. He's like Mar. It's like a young Martin. Birch. Get. into. We'll get we'll get into. Mark. Said can we talk about something report? Craig no-one said laughing was bad. That's right. You said when you first started doing this year like I want to be Fred Norris of this and I, want to have laughs in the background like Jackie martling. For some reason, they have your chance and you're like I shouldn't laugh. Everyone loves it. I want the rules trending no rules. No rules just right. I was speaking to notables went to outback this weekend. Did you really know? Damn. I. Wonder if I was. I was like I was at Guitar Center standing in line to get into by Drumsticks I. Wonder if we were there at the same time, I tried to do that after eating steak and. Miserable. Standing in line and like ninety degree heat. And the dude is like. Help you with. The ball guy with the beer yes. Thought we were there the same? Word, we'll say, yeah, and you walked up to the line. I would've I would've shot myself in the brain. I wouldn't be able to handle embarrassment of being online at Guitar Center being witnessed I think it's very sad. Like. That's Rachel raise house going up in flames Rachel. Sean Sex me two seconds of guns that ritual raise house went up in flames shown do decided to be social. Yes. Thing happens. When no one's clapping at him to decides back. Wow I don't know because when. We tried to hang out and have fun and do stuff. Maryland is feeling your now. Now with once Rachel raise house goes up in flames and Because he's he's keyed into the chef community. Yeah, he's. I guess like Oh ritual raise house burned down who is the chef on channel six that got her job for food. But now he was name it was like I wanna like Dan Dan, Dear Dwarf it was Dan to your door endeared are from she fox some old man to become Rachel Ray and I. Would you Would you? If I knew I could become Rachel Ray fucking. Awesome. Yeah I would fuck. Fuck before. Anymore, I picked the man that I said I would fuck and I forget who it was. Oh, it was Jason Seventies. I mean getting line. was such a handsome man. Young Robert. Key album. No. No over. And look at go watch the movie foul play and look how handsome chase young Taco Wallace Oh none of these none of these maybe A. Yeah. Maybe an older in his prime on the seahawks Jerry Rice. No No. We're just basically go. There's this one man. What about what about Joe? Buck. Hurry are at Lambeau, field is I love Joba because he's like. Marshawn Lynch. Twenty yards. Thirty yards just. This is throwing just changes. Chevy's in his prime. Who Else? That's it is legitimately. Very handsome. So you ever listen to your phone with people. You'd have sex with unlimited says Jason his prime yeah. Have a list with no context Chevy Chase in his. One guy and that's it. or or Chevy Jason Fletch looking good and fledge. I'm not into. That right it's okay. I'm looking right now to see if I can find. On, the ritual Ray. Realizing her house. Burnt out she wasn't even though people were like because I'm member of Glens falls groups. And they're like sure was probably in how now? Definitely not. Just print down burns down like electrical things. But Brek we have a lot of storms lately we're going to. Land. And then. HAMMETT's joining the the fire the in prostate fire brigade up in those parts probably not the best. I'm going to ask Sean Duty Hang on one second. This is very compelling radio it was. Very. Compelling News Guy. Off. News Guy That Rachel? WHO's GonNa? Say Mr Free. Fox. Not Duct Fox. Andrew had a couple of drinks sh to get. Her job hanging that I can't. Remember. Our right. Let's see what happens. He will definitely remember no question. I missed your food if it's Mr. Food that I'm wrong I just I. His name was Dan something. Dan Dare Doors. Talking Dan Beard Okay yes. Against Burke. Really is name is really this assumes name Ara Ginsburg fucking a of Ginsburg foods. All right. Well, we'll see we'll. We'll let you dude each Sunday decide now definitely thinks he knows and he's across searching right now he's sitting on the family fucking computer full on tower you know like five twenty five derives nothing's in there the crane making the turbo sounded. The computers, the turbo he's got one right now Craig is just discovered Mr Food. Is. Beautiful. Because was born in Troy New York died in Weston Florida Art Ginsburg commonly as Mr Food was an American television chef and bestselling author of cookbooks he was known for ending each of his TV segments with the phrase Ooh so good and strangely enough after every one of his lovemaking sessions all. Who It's so good. So good go clean up you. Disgust me like holy comes on comes on some twenty or call girls stomach. Get the. My hotel. Room. Get the fuck out of my Marriott Room. He was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. So all of that drag eating enough right Joe. Maybe to need as good as you thought men, you should eat raw garlic staunch of fucking restaurants and shoe. is believed. He Felt I. Love How hyper-specific is Wikipedia is it is believed that he filmed one or two episodes at K. W. W. Allen. Waterloo Iowa it is believed nobody asked him before his death Mr Food on your deathbed. Did you film to at one to two episodes K. wwl and Waterloo Iowa Dan Dina Cola Sean degree with the is centered at eight four at ao four he responded Dan Dina, Cole Shit off the top of his fucking head Dandy Nicola. fucked them. It's awful. It's terrible. Awful and terrible good for her. Because interest. Maybe maybe she got anyways. I would like to think that she had a little. tete-a-tete with Mr Foo she had of middling sports, caster sportscaster cast dickhead. Dandy Nicole right then the local local guy never local divorcee on his cola sitting on his biscuit afraid to risk. I'm so I was half right though, hey, half, right. Half Right. So I had a long Dander? Yeah I know I know you're doing. All right. To be, would you like me to get those boxing things that you put on your hands and people punch see I, don't process my shit with aggression own. With eating. You WanNa fuck. Christoph. Re Post, and then go to deep. It's definitely gonNA. Re person then we're going to go deeper soccer style right? Sick Don totally find craig loves this because it's like, oh, another eighty dollars. Paid his rent. Moratorium on drinking when we record yeah. I was talking about this with mixed company at Craig's House last week. Here. But upstairs, so it's Craig's house not sure exactly. First of all, we have to have a name for this west whose voice at acres there should be a windy studios Y- that Craig's you're okay with that. Yes I guess. All Right Gregg. Okay with this being studios, your great because we used to get the the sound effects of like the adults from the peanuts cartoons for you to respond. Walmart. Yes. Ma'am, this is a full service recording studio Craig. Nice Cut that out cut it out three to one. This is. One, three, two, one. This is a full service recording city that producer Craig is nice enough to let us use. So. I, WanNa give them a little bit of shout. Out Really Great. Why do I talk? fucking put a gun in my mouth. Done I mean. Messy. Lionel Messi car driver who died all good. It's fine. Gloves Craig's like I'm not gonNA. Laugh at his fucking die on. You just repainted this wall's going to get fucking repainted again. Yeah. No I love it. I love the wall very fucking Partridge family come on get happy. anyways how how was Your Week Been Andrew? I don't know it's been fine I guess I don't it didn't register to me that there was a week that passes the last time. We did this just cool how it works. Yeah. Was Right I go on your hell, it'll tell you. Nothing's in my I added. I. Had a job interview today and I added something to my I cal for the first time in months. No you've podcast recording under article. I. Don't even notice when that POPs up anymore except probably notifies you to on the wrong day at the wrong place. fucking very stoop. But Didn't do anything it was great I just sat in the Sun at red for like a bunch of day straight that's such an ideal life. So could I? I worked hard played hard. I did I worked hard played hard everything's cool Does. Some analysis self analysis don't know Shit. All right. Yeah. I'm doing a lot of self analysis lately. All right and What I'm what I'm you know like much like Every scientist wonder sometimes I find things that aren't good. Things that are great. People don't understand that sometimes scientists financing find things that are not good. Does something weird thing. Anymore super understand that they find things that are not good. But people rarely understand they find things that are good or yeah. Okay. That's the problem and then when people were like, Oh, it's actually good and people are like. Fight the real enemy. I should go I shall lay down lay down Yo honestly if you're mad goulet down. Yeah. Anything goalie down people were way too fucking raise machine bulls on. Yeah about trucking Evergreen Dong. which is a fucking part in an aerosmith. Song illegal. So, this is this can't believe. Yes. Go go go and then fucking fan. Danner. NATO can. Find that part in fucking loving and elevator that they play this exact part. It's probably like I'd say it's like a minute thirty, two, no I. If you look at the way for me to find it. Yeah. Go. Google Congo. Yup. fucking. fucking. No it's actually no. It's kind of coming up right here though you're actually not too far off. See. A fucking double ride cymbal Joey Kramer fucking. So good. It's actually coming up pretty quick. Desert this is the part I'm so right. Listen to the song a lot. It's fucking Greece. Parade coming up. Solo. You can facet fifteen seconds. fucking hot song. Know. There it is. This is. Basically Cue. Thank you raisins. South that one start bulls on parade. Go wait. How Can. We just take a moment. Yeah. Just a single moments. All of us gloves this don't going to deep dive disip for a moment and think about how fucking cool joe periods. So fucking cool. It's ridiculous. Wow I think craig a fucking key bomb. Cheeses right. Did you take mushrooms. Zoe's going on right now. No I honestly, Joe Perry is really when he steps out of the way of the train right before it hits them. But then you look and you see the train actually goes through his leg and it's very bad green screen. His. member. Toxic. Twins. Are So, right. He'll. fucking he is. The best good talked about this in the car I had over the people don't like us because we're so hyper confidence that we were talking a few days ago when. We were talking where we were talking about us and Craig agreed the people like we are. Despite the global condition we have were part of a A bar scene in Albany, which is like a safe barth. But it, but it is quiet. Now everybody's. Distance where he mask if you WANNA do that's fine. But we are part of a and I think that I've noticed that when Andrew and I are on the scene people look at I've noticed the sour looks especially women. We're we're like. Who are they and what are they think? They're so off. They're allowed to do this. So what is it? They're so awesome and I'm like, why would you up so much space like hyper confident and we're not talking we're just like we're not talking about anything happening in the world we're just like. Whatever? I love that it makes people. Sad. Yeah. I really enjoy it. I don't know if that makes people sad I. Just love that it makes people uncomfortable because it's like Oh. Yeah. This is what life could be like if you don't care that much. Okay. Could. It makes people said I mean you can be fucking I think about the weasel a lot we've talked about the weasel there's one who just fucking he's just the biggest weasel in Albany and I see him and I fucking disgusted and Gresh. That do get Gordon someway get. So tight every time we walk in that I make it a point to be performed live about how not. Going right for like a year and a half? Yes it's Great I. Love It. So Good Cova beef. Oh, absolutely. Yep. Work. In front of my car once I thought about flooring it. Yeah so bad it's kind of like. When Bruce Willis Laura Marcella. Really thought about ourselves well as Holy Shit what is wrong with us? We're on a wavelength. Yeah. We either have to sag an eternity in isolation. Love. Much everybody. Fuck giving money to skimming Craig I agree. that. Actually know what honestly I was thinking about setting up an overnight Dr Ben Mom. Because people don't I mean I've gotten a couple of emails were like I didn't mean to pledge that much money. So it's like if you just want to give once if we're feeling it and you're laughing, can you give twenty five cents? Can we do a chip a tip jar where people just took? Five Bucks Ten bucks whatever you WANNA give us. The in addition to Patriot to save, you just want to give us money rain right other now can we make I don't know how you do this. Definitely do it. I. WanNa make a tip jar that's like the ask on our website where you can just add whatever you want. Money in or good lakes. Send a link to a video. And we've got a lot of we've got a lot of fans who don't interact at all. Yes, I agree and we've got a core group of Weirdos. We fucking love love the core of. Weird. DMZ send US Weird Shit fucking. Awesome guys great. But we want more we need more one of the the scary. Overnight drive fans, crashed or motorcycle this week. But everyone's okay. No no, he's fine. The motorcycle but everyone's funds. Okay. That was fun. Interesting variety motorcycles are favored group in the twelve o'clock gang all the lot of their. Their motorcycles, their motorbikes confiscated by the police. Let's talk about these guys scheming Albany police. We have shown videos on. Yeah. Overnight drive on instagram. So we should talk about them. Yeah. These are BR. These are literally like bike blade runner fucking Mike. What's the Mel Gibson the first Mel Gibson movie. Road. Warrior. Road Warrior. Dues like that. Who are yeah sounds like that either somewhere between the rough riders and the road warrior. Just like the rough riders. But also like? So tough but they all they do is pop fuckin- really on Janki. fucking four wheelers. And Dirt Bikes and Aunt up and down Lark Street, which is like Saint. Martin. Place Saint Larks play. If you imagine a guy who looks like sticky fingers driving a fucking like a riding lawn mower and do it in fucking whealy Danny Fire Street type thirty this basically what it is, it's awesome. A wonderful. Thing it's a wonderful bit of joy, Vive. Yes we get so happy. People are at solid dangerous quincy one was everybody. I'm going to do a high voice thing. 'cause writings win was everybody. So engaged with safety I'm saying and so interested in being say life is in bumper bowling you stupid dickhead exactly get over it. Once in a while. This is what happens you know in the draft this is what happens when you don't have the draft. Completely honestly I think I used to say that as a joke in that I've come way too close to thinking that it's not honestly. fucking meet in the more fucking. Like gross. More gross warm takes I fuck in here I can read on twitter. The more I'm like you know twitter wouldn't exist at the draft happened. We hear this we have to talk about how we're watching producer Craig laugh at watching onyx with the. Shyam. Sticky fingers slamming biohazard here with the boys. The boys, boys, and just slam. This video is great degree goods. Mary goes exactly and it's all about showing up. Growing up. Spilling beer but that's okay. You know what the video is all about that adding this pirate summer yes. This is this is your new dish of pirates summer. Slammed if not listening to onyx drinking is. Just traveling Seinfeld. What doing real hanging and then Seinfeld. Biohazard nonex- they were fucking there. They were tight by rouser walk. beat up Oh really fifty six year old men S. Six year old man who were still going to beat people up for hazard will beat us up. Okay. Pull it off. Okay. Sixty year old man driving up from Queens I'm. Not, having to P as soon as I get out of the car, you fucking old man they stop at the Stop at the Cumberland farms twenty. Three. Find. US. Come find. Confined not scarce not even a little. I'm a little scared fine. I'm a little escort. Well, meet my stun gun. Embarrassing fucking. Chubby. Tattooed would release. Oh. Where the rest of these guys. onyx. And there Really are any of them. This video is. Watch. The Shield, right? No. I re watched the show, the shields. We talked about this earlier maybe weren't there. The Shield is we talked about on the podcast maybe you aren't there no earlier today. Okay. The the shield. Go Watch the shields and if you can't find it at legally downloaded because it's not any of the streaming sites but it's modern life. And I, actually I can I'm convinced that the shield is better than the wire. I've actually come around on that. It's more cartoonish more ridiculous, but it's better. I'm saying, right. And sticky fingers is in it for several episodes. So He's thinking. I love it I love life God. fucking. Horrible it's so much fun. It's ridiculous as we as we come to episode three hundred. WanNa say everybody. Abroad, and here in the United States, just quickly turning into a fucking the second world country. Didn't. Like. No question I opened Mathis Czechoslovakia in the seventies Lucia. Slavia Blue Jeans Poverty. Everyone put the fuck in the the the. The Party line in your window just so no one fucking hassles you. Can. Wild. Exactly. here's. The deal. Is A fucking carnival through should enough shit out there with Whimsey and love and light they you should be fucking. I can't not be consumed by all of this weird shit. The happens in the world yeah. You can grab yourself in Wednesday if you want really can, and then like why would I go on CNN dot COM If I'm like fucking Fox. Just when there's enough shit to keep me busy for ever. That's my shit and people resent me for that and call me a coward for that online do all the time. You know all all of my fake accounts that I make just call you cower me. Very, intricate fake account. And all that other now. Understand what you're looking, trump. New Book. Again at we're in the fucking were rare air of state that fucking handle the right way to people come to you to address things when I post stuff that it's like even if I post like a music video, they're like. You're your your Internet presence is way off lately. People love coming at me. Nobody would dare come with that bullshit. They know how that would go I guess. I've been very very short with people holy Shit because I'm like 'cause I suppose nothing but good news like good news about covert. And people really hated that. So now it just post whatever. And like till reasons automatic I. Quote Unquote Act like there's nothing wrong. It's a coal mine. There's a long long and guess what a year ago. There was a lot wrong. Two years ago. There was lot wrong. Wow. But I'm. Still GonNA. Post. fucking. Intelligence cavity whenever I want. Because this is what I enjoy and I hope that you click on it and enjoy it as much as I do, and then maybe you'll get a life at some point coma. Crazy. Maybe it won't happen. But if it does it would be great. Honestly. I knew who said that Shit you should break their hand with a hammer. That's insane. Mental boom fodder boom. Fuck. We went too far. I. Don't Know I. Love It. When I have take it's always no I didn't understand. What was your we serve given? Yeah. You're. You're always. So even the one that's. I'm so even years years of fucking. Mood stabiliser therapy. Called fucking extended release Sarah well, that's why even. then. Like whenever I stray from the path, they're like always. Got What happened A long long fucking hard deck. And this is exactly my shit. When driving home from work today I was like. This is Michael Stipe and you're listen to overnight drive I. Remember I got this album my. Nightmare. Is that right? Can showed you that it's This is Michael Stipe and you're listening to overnight. Thank you. Use US at a new noise show is really weird. I told the the Peter Bookstore right now tell me. Ladies and gentlemen. Andrews Hater bugs that big of a deal but. Georgia by my guitar idol. was. Peter Buck growing up for like a minute. Before I discovered slash. Really understood you grew a dick. But his guitar playing is so wonderfully sparse air. I'm. Just. Incredible so He can do no my I'm the same way I've never heard a twelve string guitar before that it was brand new brand new. So Peter Buck plays in some fucking really regrettable like also ran band that I'm not GonNa say the name of hovercraft, but they played at Valentine's. and. Across the street and my fucking Dick is so hard. It's so great there. He is right there ox. Rickenbacker. So. Yeah. The rickenbacker there the whole nine. So I do sound for them I get them all dialed in for their soundcheck. Everyone's happy. It's all good. And I was hurting, no one's hurting nobody nobody hurt snuggie. The stage and I'm like I'm just moving stuff back to make room for the the opening band you know standard sound guys shit sure and there's a twelve string. Right. There you kick it and so all I kick it solar. And I, it just do that thing where you grab it by the head stock and you just saw this ring it along your thumb. Aided that. That's the amble. No one was around. That crm twelve string. That's so cool. But then I look and I turn and there's Peter. Bucks staring at me Yep because you're touching guitar. He, he summoned him. And I turn and just like what do I? Do I apologize. Do discs like I'm GonNa make you. Sound guy to make you sound like a bad. Metal Band if you don't. Give me shit about. So I turn and I'm just like I put an apologetic face and I'm like you know like I go to say sorry And he's Played if you want. Like. Yeah, alright. So I pick up the RAM twelve string and I play the REM twelve string for like I don't know like straight minute playing all the good rem songs on who do fucking rule where did you shoot a load? Back. In the sound booth I just. And? Yeah you. All these yet tell you this song merely meant a lot to me is a young vh one. Oh, for real. Looking great song if I didn't come to Bonnie. Bonnie Raitt this song invariably come on and I'd be like I know I'll be like Okay Pearson. Peterson looks greatness. She looks. For the only time ever she looks great in this I, know people will fucking blow us up for that. She looks really like composed. Here. This is probably one of the and this. Least Favorite Song and is that right? Hated playing it. This is a song that that's what that turned him too violent attuned to handle in. Peter Buck. We all. Know. It was an actual magical moment my life. I remember when they played across the street fucking Michael Savage autonomous car on this conveyor. Put this on the big board man would he big board sports? Roger Weiland. Looking Great. Houses. Does that Bill Perry? Bill. Unit. Brown. Following. All those young twitter follow Mike Mills on twitter because he's a fucking so mad all our. Talks about how like they're all broke because spotify rip them off and I'm like. fucking. Okay. When you make money put it invested. Phil absolutely filled to the gills the fucking Pepsi Arena it was ridiculous. There's no new people on this level. There's no excuse for going broke. No. Sorry? Dude. Tomorrow. Are you seriously exactly right? I, way. Four and tomorrow I'll be. Very, go berry open a farm makes passive income. You'll get. Mike. Mills. He's. fogging drank my money away. Okay. Good. She looks really fucking goodness video. Big boobs. Mike but she also looks really good in. Remember. Getting Rome. Keepers. BIDDIES. Back in the the the cry, not the crime. The irony is that Michael Stipe wanted nothing to do with it because there's homosexual. What goes as Michael, Stipe and you're listening overnight drive. That is I of all the things we've done I've done. For this politics. whose you weren't there. I like the balls. The balls and the fucking the cores regular to go up and be like, Hey, man. Liner for real quick. Shoes hold you fucking suck. Dick I know I was like he hit every right on earth. Like Michael, stipe had run on earth to say Sucker fucking Dick Fuck I'm trying to watch this terrible noise man but he's like zoos Michael Stipe. Listen overnight drive and that's all he said and it was like, wow, this is like your fucking gazillion air. You're cool I wish we were doing this when I was a fucking sound guy. Think of all the Shit I'd have. Hi, this is the meat puppets. Drive. WHO WHO's? Jonathan. Richmond with fucking laryngitis trying to fucking into a bumper for overnight Dr. Donovan Richmond couple of years ago in troy and Troy's a small city. And he was like Whoa Whoa Whoa. He was. Overwhelmed by the amount of people wouldn't do an encore. He was all like really weird about it. Yeah. He seems like a real weird person. What I did was. I. was working was really not good and I said he's. Like. I. Kinda knew like on the periphery of the sound guy fucking collective that Albany and troy and whatever, and I said to get African Drum Mike holder put fifty eight there and just let him play his guitar. And he's like really I was like look at any video implying this what he won't make it fucking simple things like, okay because he was setting of different Mike's to like my. Arch plug them acoustic go real like back patio. Bar Acoustic acts on I'm like dude fucking and then and then Germany doesn't need a Mike at all maybe a fifty-seven slung high that's all been sound. Guy. Corner. Career. I love Craig when on Coke I S D bump bump co keep them. Craig is Great. That's I. Love G. Let's fucking go. All. Right. Yeah. overrated. Hot off the fucking the coattails of the fucking Arana unplugged. When everyone got a record deal? Kotel riders. Guess writing the. Should we sign them? The day break on phase nonce in good song. Sounds like see. That's cool. That's great. Seasons. Come on. The. Chiens. We're GONNA SWELL UP. COBB. I wonder who wrote it? All. Right. Kill the song I feel like this is exactly the thing that gets US fucking sue this this bullshit right here. Yeah. The meat puppets being like Oh look at these guys. My God. Only guys boys, man this is this this is happening. To just bagels that was great. Line. One Knows Film. leered is going. To. Leave now. Go fucking. Okay Wow. Wow. Okay Shit. We have to be serious holy. Shit while we just lost. I looked at. I sent you the the screen grab I looked at our spotify. Listens today and people really hang on until the end we lose almost nobody. They told me. Tonight I'm very curious to see what pointing like. All right I've had enough of this. True, my personal life. Yes. So I want to it's it's a little quiz to give to the vehicle. Eighty seven percent of our listeners are I love analytics Andrew in yeah. Are you anyone anyone guess eighty seven percent of our listeners are women? No. Male. Joe fucking. That's fine. Channel. Wow. Talk Fuck is captivated. Negative. For us Blah Blah wow what a great move Mario Komo talking. Andrew Cuomo. Andrew. CUOMO. Ghost of Mario Cuomo's. You get some pushing of your own. Mario Cuomo. Right Hey. Andrew won't fuck this. Is Dr. No, it's really just gonNA keep going fog. Okay. You want to I like a man who is confident enough to spank. My ass was martyred by Joe. Really hyper regional. Sorry I'm sorry everyone knows. That's fine. Nothing spine nothing's fine. In first blood when he says it's over John Nothing is Nothing. Well. There's. Just real quick kill quickly here we want to talk about A. Was An MTV an MTV show on drew you to walk me through Shit. I'm dressed like the really way ahead of its time. Show for teens. This is in the late nineties where people were like. Hey, we just need to be like. This is like. A war released few now times. We've all. Lived through this Oh yeah. Done this dance. Yeah. We've done this before. That's why we're so fucking pricks about. This is like the. This is called undressed. This is about like well, we need to make teams feel comfortable about going to college. So on the summer leading into college, we're going to show this video. We're GONNA show this series. Called undressed and well. Craig has the. Details the details. And it was very scandalous because back then it wasn't okay to be gay It was the don't ask don't Tell Society, sure. And you know I love gay clip. So without further a dale. Boy should both wear condoms? That was wild change. For the Well. The Kiss. Each Other. So you in the background soup. SWAP. This looks like salute my it's but just. Like it's filmed and blocked and lit like salute my show slough shorts. Yeah. But it's gay guys. Including one wearing address, which is almost ninety fucking ever. Yeah. She's US right. Alcohol. Because, a matter of fact I am Oh fuck nineties out meant fucking in public wherever you want. Well, that's. Out For, a minute, you know how it goes. We can fuck in the shower we're out. I. WanNa. Do. Deep Kiss it sounded balloon for some reason says, brushing his teeth. So. So Uncertain was undress undress was like way too much I read all about it was way too much for teens and teens the other way where they're like holy fuck colleges like and then they go to college and it's like. A bunch of people playing fucking land. Games not. So fucking. Year resist. It was nineteen, Ninety, seven, nineteen, ninety seven. So now ninety, nine to two, thousand and two, we'll say just over twenty years later. People are already ready to cancel gays have you caught this sure like gays or part of the the establishment now they're part of the the oppressor right? They're they're part of the regime the turf. Yeah. So we've gone. From that in twenty three years give or take. To. Gays have risen through the social circle faster than anyone on planet earth has ever done and this is where we're at we're now gays or the enemy. Pretty Wild fucking life we live right now it's really insane. Super Wild time I honestly think that A. program. Dressed. Would be perfect for these times. Because it makes people feel the problem is I hate that I hate about these times is that no one feels comfortable after freak off. No, definitely not like, Hey, what's fucking the shower totally in the nineties now? I'd have to think about that for two fucking weeks. Now everybody and I make any VENAL carnal way. Everyone just wants to get the nod off. That's fine. They're nut and lose their not. There's no such thing as Venal Karnal anymore people want so badly for it to not be a thing that they will suppress. This is the this is this is like going through the reformation or some shit shit is so fucking repressed out of control that. It's L. Like life is really not fun and there's Not Making it's not fun to be around people who are too young to remember that life is fun. Connection I would to do we have a new song. Oh I didn't send it. No. We don't leave the same old song. We'll. You WanNa play that over and over again for twenty minutes. Kocak. Get A. Classic I just wanted to say, thank you to associate producer Hannah. non-parental. I've never heard of this associate producer. What's what is it about every week I associate producer Hannah I don't pay attention the pride of Michigan. She is read Michigan's real. fucking. Wow I have no I don't know I don't understand anything written comedown. Woman Okay I'm sorry I'm sorry. Relaxed Sorry Just hasn't drinks tonight. Quarantine with Clinton with spouse has been rough for him I. was. android barely liked him before all of this fucker hell aboard repressed trapped seeking same for a rescue mission. Wow. Please have personality I loathe the robot people with their new balance sneakers and Solis Zombie. Live. What is this? Good Times. Good laughs good music good adventures don't say discreet be respectful and responsible nothing is off the table or you wouldn't be looking here and deleting your browser history because you're too painfully lonely despite her nagging, ass wanting waiting for you in the next room house going on that is really specific Jesus say good luck that a second one or was at the same on the same one. Okay. All right name this one's called obedient female, please and. Duluth. Looking for an obedient Gal. Normal. Guy Day to day and that changes by night. If it's your thing to do is told. Then let's chat. This was sent from the Ender Park Golf. Course. Literally. Some like. Dude. Been like Oh here. My Wha also. This one's called I'm locked and chastity I. Right. I'm a male and chastity that's called nine. You can't get laid. It's called insult. Belt on. Wild Chastity Bella Vista. Do chesney builds exist. Oh, definitely. Buy One on Amazon look. Please Melanson chastity. Craig's also had a couple of drinks. HOMOLOGUE jazzy at. Risk. I just pull a video of and you're like, Oh, boy looking for other guys that are either also locked our guys two guys locked in a cage. I can't the only wanNA hear who finds chefs hot. How much do you think a chastity belt on Amazon cost one hundred dollars you're exactly right ninety nine dollars maybe I voted before Oh fuck Green Tank Top Lady, a target. You were wearing a very green tank top. Not Just A. What color is very green like a blaze green. 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Antifreeze. I'm just the Guy Oh. Wow. I'm just a guy. You're not superman. Hey. I'm not trying to be superman over here. I'm just the guy. I'm not perfect. Not Perfect. Why you yelling at me already why are we yelling? I'm not perfect. I'm, not, Vantera perfect. Whoever is Craig list he was forty, nine hundred. Hey, boob. I'm looking I'm looking for someone with boobs. Okay I was thinking roughly fifty one percent of the world's population has boobs unlock my. If you think that's you. That's you. Can Get back to me on how I met peg. Talking to a lot of emails because that's like a fucking hundred million people have do we meet in Louisville? From never had never been there. I'm from the other ones have boobs I read this. Tie Up and stuff. Okay. Cruiser Creek Mushrooms. Fan. Why they have control rooms it's wild. Tie Up and stuff me I like to be tied up and stuff in front of a camera. Oh, the people watching it could be a group of guys and girls or even just one person but the idea of being tied up stuffed hits me heart. Has Me Hard sorry Oh boy has me I wouldn't want to get that wrong. Has Me Hard and passed around like pet? Oh, boy has me excited. Let me know if you're going to help I can't not host. Ken, what is the hosting situation? So you can hosts I can't not hoses like I'm so excited I can't. You must come here. I'm away I'M A. I'm. A WHITE MALE THIRTY ONE I'm sure you're fucking blimp well to. A white male thirty, one, I live in Duluth I could travel. Oh, good for you. Send me a PIC. Took tell me what you had in mind for me. Wow. Oh, so they do all the lifting thought you would drive. Yeah. Were you the Guy Eating and subway certainly not I'm the guy that walked in and said Nice to see you had my sub made and I as I was leaving I stopped and said Nice to see you again. Your green shorts with red stripe weren't long enough made my day. Jared from subway oh wow that actually makes sense senior women wanted. North Las Vegas. There is something so special. About soft wrinkly skin. I wish I had a senior lady to some love. I. Know You must be out there wanting a sweet man. That is an excellent kisser. I am not shy. But I'm not pushy either. Again. Announcement here. PSI. Here we go. Things that we all agree or unattractive or unattractive you don't need to pretend they're not. It's okay. It's fine. Are you talking about suffering skin? Yes. Yes. I am as a matter of fact. Yes. What about an excellent kisser that's okay. But like within the context of otherwise being attractive this says there's something. So special you remember, do you remember the scene from the shining where he thinks it's an attractive woman and it's like a gross decaying old lady. This person says there's something so special about soft drinks can. This is somebody who's fooling himself. This is not real. Disney's get back in the game. This is this is somebody who tricked themselves in electing old people. This person's demented they need. They need to be beaten up and have their head fucking set on straight. Yeah dare. Yes. Yes Greta. It is Las Vegas. So that'd probably Cooking. Yeah. This needs to catch beating. From what I've read. Las Vegas's fucking barter town right now. So snake charmer and he's snakes in the area looking. What is going on here? There's a love. Any snakes in the area looking to be tamed and relaxed Snake Charmer Cobra commander as I can say. I. It and treat it with care. F. Why I'M A guy. So. Only serious minds only please. Only serious minds only please and I. Hope to hear from you soon, the sooner, the reply, the sooner your snake. Be Tamed. Your Cobra. That's a cousin who is the PINTER said. Is. axons Amo. For you Andrew. We run into each other often at Stewart's on. Broadway. Is The fucking Stewart they used to go to when I worked the chemical vacuum away Oh. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yes. With right near the the last video store. Always has the small sack not sure you would be interested but would love to play if you're up for definitely would we are both male? Are You Chevy? Chase from the seventies we're both mailmen. Currently the new I, the frontline response yes. Oh my God you guys haven't donated to the post office to make the post office still suck and make sure you donate to. Government Agency and when you're done donate to Amazon. Actually donating to Amazon is less stupid because Amazon doesn't print their own currency you schmuck. My mouth shows up twice a week live in a major city. Sorry. Not impressed not going to give you my. We're not. A bunch of junk mail twice a week and I guarantee I don't. Want to save at the post office. I. Actually can't say in the PODCAST I'm sober enough to catch it but yo stop being stupid. Well, this is one that I am really into. It's one of my favorite things ever air conditioner on in wintertime. Avenue Burger King Troy. Right a right. You were the hot worker in Lansing Berg Troy Sun Sunday afternoon Elo. I ordered the family. Bundle meal. That means your entire family is going to subsist. Off of Burger King for that night, we'll my question is I ordered so did you order be family bundle meal for yourself or do you have a family waiting for the bundle me? Getting. A police or may have another situation okay. Like Jacob Marley situations like my father's going to get a bundle meal I am very hungry. You know it's Weird Jacob. Marley and my head is always goofy. Because he was that was he was he was Jacob Marley in the. Disney. What about? What about Ziggy Marley? No, it's nonsense. Khuju. Okay now. I wrote the family bundle meal. We talked a bit about the weather fascinating You told me that you couldn't wait for winter to get here and that you still keep your air conditioner on during the winter because of the mask you had on all I could see was your is loy a pretty light blue heart is Emoji Moy. To Wow. The forgotten North Troy school system. For. All three of us to meet at the Lansing Burke. Burger King Tomorrow. What are you guys doing here? Oh Shit. I was right up the street and I. Yeah. I'm looking for a short while female with dark hair and glasses always body. Okay. Well, then you go ahead, I would love to see how you looking relaxed say not in Burger King. Has Been, more, relaxed setting, of Burger King. People standing around waiting for fucking orders I've been to pull sides that are fucking less relaxed than. Fucking Wild Oh somebody die in the bathroom again. Stewart's exit eleven. I saw you you and your daughter stop at Stewart. Stewart Stewart Florida. We're the Brown equinoxes and I was on my motorcycle. Me and I thought you were a beautiful. Greg. I thought I wanted to talk to you and waited for you to come out but I lost my nerve and sped away by. I would love meet you. You fucked up. You fucked, right? Yeah there is. Tricks. Please ride my colleague. That's like a lot of the work like. A women will do it, but she is doing all the work. What is wrong with you? Never Woman's on top of my gets your. Man. Whatever I'm women's on top. I'm like it's your cocktail now over here when you're done, she's like all right. It feels good calm whatever two ladies from. Stewart's. Halls producer Hanan knows. Which won't? From Stewart's Friday seventh or okay. You'RE GONNA be this in Glens falls. High By. The latest from Stewart's starts Friday seven, thirty, one, exit eighteen the only accident you know only accent on the Fox hire. Me But I all doors for a and so did my San. Walk I like to chat some with yeah. Wallace I. On Your Joe by me as you left stores hitting your kid probably in public I would imagine exactly texting the due to on backpage. Taking Horse Bath? Jerking off near you. I like jerking off in public places for the benefit of being watched. That's a fucking that's a drop right they're. Going to do it. Clean. Writing. I like jerking off in public places for the benefit of being watched women who have a voyeurism of wanting to watch and masturbating as well. Maybe you want to be bummed on. FUCKING IDIOT MISSPELLED COMEDOWN Veil be bummed on when they see your ass. Bombed Don. Listen to this like you're cutting mound O. Please only women no F- F-. ALWA- house really bad went home you. Like this type like this, type. Sexual Act. Clarified no effigy as who like this type of sexual act that'd be come on I'm sure there is a lot of edgy as who become. Really fucked yourself up here way to go queens schools you cut in half the fucking population. Info for family who stole my towel. Howard. Quarry Oh my God. Looks. Look. It is a really. Look it is a really stupid act to steal a towel. It's stupid. fucking craigslist post about, hey, when it works, you do not know where the towel has been and you could put you and your family at risk for illness. Yeah. Well, the Reddish orange and yellow mixed color. How you still early Saturday evening at the Howard Quarry was mine. You should know that I have herpes. Simplex virus. Oh I use a selling towel to dry myself after I showered before I went swimming Hofu the herpes virus in the towel you stole did not transfer to you and your family. Good luck. It is not the end of the world. I, have herpes for most of my life. Hopefully you can. Hopefully you can to. Wow, damn. Addictive one. Believe. You have harpies same fucking Dick. hairpiece. Your name starts with an S. simplex. Posted here one long ago. I. Still Remember how you would look at me when I spent the night he had decision. disappointed. In pathetic as those. Great. Irony remember how you would look at me when I spent the night like please leave like your the thing that won't leave. It's four in the afternoon. Please leave. Your my best friend's Dad. I always hoped he would make a move but you never did. You, reply with what my name is. and. And if you would have changed anything about those sleepovers now winky Fan Oh God this is a woman for. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Pickles and packers than Salem New York. Wow. All right. You allow. Pounding pickle juice and yelling about marrying Brett Farve at Magoo's yeah I feel like there's definitely a hot blonde and Salem New York pounding pickle juice and yelling about Brett Farve for farve perform to be dirty dirty gusher. Cock oversold cock look at that point. Honestly at that point would you just google a picture of fucking cock? Yeah. Exactly. Like a big cock and then like the letter debut literally disappointed later instead of sending your own fucking tired cock should always send. What's that guy from bad religion? Are We send his cock shot? Greg Graefin over the fact yeah. Like I do remember when he exposed himself to like a fourteen year old on the Internet no don't remember zone. Checked out. We I want to Calcutta. But I I'm on chat I'm GonNa Fucking Omega and Shaikh Cocked Stranger Anyway. That's it. That's all. That's Kuhlman. Good set right there that we've. We've got a short amount of time but we have some question we get questions. We're we're all set here. Are you on Tumblr. On right now then you take the Instagram, I got the instance. Give me one second I'll be right there. I'm logged in. Fuck, loggins myself not overnight drive. Thank you. Some time. Thank you. All right. We're ready as one question all the time. Space up in the meantime Adams News Curtis adjacent to it What is it Space Hawk? Very, short lived in rock band. Members of that dog much. No simply a different. I don't know what that is. Sorry. Sargus Adams deck is the literally vertical horizon fucking getting a million dollar advance and writing that one song. Adams deck is like. You don't know. This is Adams. This is. Great. I'm going to Disneyland. Na Na. Na. No it's too complex negative complex. There hit right. That's a hint. Yeah it's it's just. People who could get up kids who want to like appear interesting. Well, listen space hog. Thanks. my first question you might explain to me it's just why Gary Why oh, never mind. Gary. Law and I forget his name. Jumped off the bridge, all the guy who shot the pedophile, the back of the head from the in the airport. Oh. Why Gary Yeah Yeah good question. The Phone Charming parts I love identify the charming parts of tragedies. Gary Son was molested by a karate instructor grouse. Shoots the crowding search on the head and then hangs up. On the phone. The phone up like. That's like. I. If I was a fucking difference attorney, I'd be like look. He's a decent human being hung the phone instead of letting hang like a pair of balls. Love that laugh. My Dad has pissed off the Golden, Gate Bridge Gary Plush. What did he do to Piss off the Golden Gate Bridge? Out, but you drive too fast across. My Dad has pissed off the Golden Gate Bridge and I pissed off Niagara Falls. That's cool. Do I have to do? I have to have kids just to keep the tradition alive. Unfortunately you do sorry had it doesn't matter who? Piss off of anchor. Watt. The woman you. The woman you get this weekend. Tell. Ask if you can take the rubber off and promise me like look it'll be fun. And then. A month later. Should like I'm late I'll be like yeah. I know Mike it's nine thirty. So miley to work right and she's like, no I'm late capital. And you're like well shit. I'd always wants I. I've always wanted somebody to piss off the. I've always wanted a child to piss off the Verrazano Narrows Bridge so cool. We're good. We're we're totally choke the only reason I had you son Tyler. Is. So you can one day grow up and Piss off the Verrazano Narrows Bridge. Etre pink seventeen. Dollars And Parking. I fairly enjoyed Hans reading beyond Eric's can you please read the lyrics to Cardi B. and Meghan the stallion w. p. thanks. Producer Craig could you pull up his lyric? Split Cardi B. and Meghan v Stallion W. A. P. I will. Our fans. Are. Only. Fans should be on lyrics their blitz lyrics blitz. Org. All right while we wait, would you rather drink ice beers? Pat? Say Alex Trebek's. Say. Jack Jack Yeah Same He's got those Vanna white stories. Oh. Yeah. Sage I could just be cool and he's chopin a cool car. You're right. You're right. Cardi B. I said certified freak. Seven days a week. What asked P. Make that Pulo Game Week. Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah you fuck with some wet ass pussy. I understand now that somebody has censored it, which makes me fucking. Bend over and throw up. So I'm GonNa read from the beginning. The exactly here. Forget yeah. A download a fucking o'brady replaceable song lyrics place excellent. I said certified freak seven days a week. What ask Pussy make the pullout game week yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah you fucking with some what ass pussy bring a bucket a mop. Posey love the Song Gimme everything you got. Guys as men have you ever given your woman everything you've got half in. Every everything is empty like after you get your nut you fucking collapse. beat it up. Won't say that one catch a charge extra large extra hard hope this pussy right in your face swipe your nose like a credit card help on top I wanNA ride do Kegalle while it's inside. Spending my mouth looking my is this pussy is wet come. Take a dive timing up like I'm a surprise. Let's role play where disguise. I want you to park that big MAC truck rally in this little garage. Mak- cream make me scream out in public make a scene I don't cook. I don't clean. But let me tell you how I got this ring and that was written by Dr Fetchy. Dr Andrew. Fetch Yeah No. Sorry Julia. Anti Fascist. Any drinker I need a weed smoke this. Okay. So Dr Is Done A. Public, service announcement, and just came out and I would like to draw to read it right now if I could. Dr Anthony Bashing. I need a henny drinker. Weed smoker. Not. A Garden Snake, I knew the King Cobra. Was the hook in a hopefully and over. He got some money that's where I'm headed. Pussy a one just like his credit. He got a beard while I'm trying to wet it. I let him taste it now he diabetic. Spit I. WanNa go. I want to gag I, WANNA choke. I want you to touch that little dangling Dang. Taking you push on. Is. The that's weighing in the back of my throat. His head game is fire Pu Noni Dasani. I'm going it's going and dry and coming out soggy. I ride on the thing. Is Behind me a spin on his Mike. Now, he's trying to sign me. And that was from Dr Anthony, FAUCI. Were at now. Reflect, on your life. Take. Some. Concern. Tonight. all right. I got one better nineties night TV viewing world's strongest man or steel lumberjack competitions. I think the lumberjack competitions with the they would like do shot puts and like fucking crazy shit like that if I'm not mistaken. So that's that's more into that. got. Another one. Ran. into. S H video porn hub because I was bored, and now it shows up my macro, my recommended and S. P. H.. Google. This as you were reading Cardi B. is small penis humiliation. My God that really went to a question there. But I mean, I don't know I would maybe spend less time in porn hub. Oh, my God you're important words turned to beat off again. No, I'm not I refuse to. God. Semen retention in my house. So when you finally Right. Are you done ripping of jokes from the best show and passing them off as your own? No I'm not, and since the best show is on hiatus I'm GonNa take them even though yeah because you know what? There's mind as much as they are yours mushers they are there. And my influenced by the best show. Sure. What are you GONNA do? Come, fight can gets. What you. Write a letter read a letter to them. See if they'll come after me. Sure. I guarantee they won't and care. How about that? But thank you for exposing me as a joke steeler because you know what none of that shit matters. Thank you. Fuck Mary Kill Cosby Reagan and Rick to life. Go. RECTAL. Life. It's time. Cosby. All well. I got this. I got this down Google. Kill. Kospi. Did Bad. Shit. Bom Cool. Then you fuck to life because he's probably funniest fuck and then, and then you marry a Reagan it's got a lot of money. went to high school with a girl name Reagan and she was a extra H. O. Interesting. I have a cousin named Reagan and I'm GonNa fight you after this. Now I'M GONNA we're to have like weird fucking. School. Costa doing well. Wait a minute you four quake. Sent. My cousin. She's crawl. Crawl. Cheeses. going. Yeah Neymar Yeah coin shortage conspiracy that all the metals are being used on meek munitions thoughts. No No. Yeah. Now, if you look at the metals made for munitions that would be bad. I've got a better idea Shush Shush about that. What do you got? You got anything on Tumbler. Right we get a lot here. All right somebody who will rename Liz wrote I'm looking for eight inches of cut cock flared at mushroom head big balls big daddy Kaku could that have been? Could could be. A. Is there an overnight drive spotify playlist need recommendations q feel. Are The candy. I'll make want this is the thing I said it'd be wholesome that you enjoy that was in its I'll definitely do it. We have a lot of fucking questions. It's great take go for go. Discuss your favorite local and exotic fruits. On a dragon fruit kick lately, I don't usually eat fruit. Exotic fruits. So my food intake is basically dried mango bananas a lot of oranges and apples. Data. Being big banana. Lemon counts right Blair peaches. I like I like a peach that runs down my my Chin and makes people I mean it's just the consistency of peach juice juices almost the same as pussy juice. Some with I are you to is one are you to? The Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp. Is Sean, duty, your death thought you might like that one. What. Yes. Yes incredibly so Ramp. Are Crust punk shows the worst live music experience you can have. No, I did fucking sound. Bad bans. Ever forget are like. Playing like fucking. The earnest Dad Ben's who aren't willing to give up like listening to the clash and shit playing like gin blossoms songs. That's the seven circle. Real, having. In their wives or like immediately drunk at the bar and now like. Go Chris Oh Chris is the worst. Jim Blossoms, and then like London called. Do One. I did a show when I was in sound where somebody facetime their kid showing the. Kid doesn't remember can remember is this they're going to need a lot of therapy. These guys who buy like four can lights from like guitar. Lights behind themselves do play like bogner amps really bad shit like that war or are they like spent a lot of my own orange amps and should I? Forgot I've I've got a vox. AC Thirty that I've never parted ways with it's like, yeah, because nobody. I would much rather go to cross show that. Correspond along with all times even though it's can you jealousy? Really Cool. I think it questions I think we're good. We're good. Thank you. Think of the best show person really appreciate that all I. Just I'm happy that you're listening to the best show the show's all. The best show is on hiatus a listen US instead I'll give you the same I'll tell you say babe, Babe Babe Babe I'll listen to the sale list I'll do all the same jokes as he does. I still. Show is you sent me the link like twenty times. Like. Amazing. It's okay and it's funny at times and then you move on I just WANNA listen to podcasts about war. Right All right. Cool. Well, let's let's call it. Call it very much everybody for listening. Thank you to produce a Craig producer Hannah. Here. We are. Staying at the tomorrow. We'll. Do Our Are Things. Yeah. Now more than ever. Now more than ever you know now more than. Three hundred three hundred times. You know what's funny though if you held a gun to my head, I would forget. Don't know now more than ever please director browsers do older go sacom all the goes dot com for thrift third close hand drifted clothes that are not that expensive and they're awesome. No five hundred dollars shirts here folks just awesome. Vintage clothing hand curated by Jesse is very hard. Please Golden Ghost dot com also older ghosts on instagram. The models are mowing Kellyanne Day? Yeah exactly you might get swelled up while you're ordering might fucking you might shoot. So here we are. Also Damascene. If you want your photograph taken look no further Dempsey dot com. He made us look like a million bucks imagine. What are you? GonNa do poor to. 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Bonus: Ari Melber sits down with legendary group R.E.M. to discuss MONSTER,  and secrets to music success without corporate compromises

The Beat with Ari Melber

23:17 min | 1 year ago

Bonus: Ari Melber sits down with legendary group R.E.M. to discuss MONSTER, and secrets to music success without corporate compromises

"Very few musicians managed to define an entire genre from Madonna to the Beatles. But that's how so many feel about these two leaders of Rem Michael Stipe and Mike Mills they took rem from a college venue circuit and Athens Georgia to really introducing alternative rock to the entire world moving over eighty five million albums across fifteen in different studio records three Grammy Awards naturally taking their rightful place in the rock and Roll Hall of Fame Joining The beat today marking the twentieth anniversary of the quadruple. drubel platinum album monster which topped the billboard charts and is back with a remastered box set. Here they are members. Michael Stipe and Mike Mills Mill. Thanks for coming on the beach. Thank you thank you. This is exciting so many things to get into the start of course with the album monster and what it means to have the anniversary and reconnect this version with fans. It's super weird for us to look back twenty five years century and look at who we were in our early thirties. What we accomplished at that point? This is a record. That was very very very weird for us out of the box but it was kind of intentionally so you guys like being weird. Well not intentionally. Yes okay yes sure sure. I mean traditional all normal corporate. We'd like to take turns throwing the fancy curveball now and again so lot of times fans look back at the work more than you do. You made a deliberate choice to engage this when you when when you look back and it however you do listening to it seeing the reception thinking about it what stands out now. What's different now? Well the fact that we broke up eight years ago gives us a chance to reflect. And it's okay okay that we're not making records currently so we can look back instead of forward which is our normal operation but looking back at that record I would not Dacia thing it was. It was a really ballsy move for us when I was really proud that we did it. I agree. Do you think that You figured out early how to get your own style out okay. So you weren't constantly battling to quote industry or were there always battles we always. We were always the ones who are going to forge your own path and kind of they'd be out of step with whatever was happening at the time and with this record we were out of step with ourselves. We just didn't want to repeat the sound of the record. The director we've done and prior to the. What is the deal with people always wanting you to sound like I do when in fact the way you I sounded was different from what came before or is that if anything I was thinking about this conyers got a gospel rap album out now and some people are mad that he's not making the music you made ten years ago and I just think inc.? We already have that. He's doing news stuff. You like it or you. Don't you can always tell a win. And Ram Fan was in their first year in college. Because that's the record. They like the most when it came out that year. So it's all in what you're used to. Yeah let's look at When you first burst on the scene dug up your very first we think? Television appearance appearance. David Letterman. Take a look okay. The Los Angeles Times just named this album one of the five best released so far in nineteen eighty-three it's called Murmur by a group of gentleman from Athens Georgia called Rem and we're happy to have the making their national television debut with US tonight please welcome rem the Sir Sir. Michael do you remember that I had hair. I can't actually. He was very Nice David he was a nice guy but they told me that I wasn't going to talk thome so I sat down and I didn't know about camera blocking at that point I became known as an exotic from that night forward. Because you thought you were just being chill but they thought you were took him out. I did this kind of muppet thing. Right disappeared it was good good. TV were you nervous that night you know. I think we were too young to know how scared we should have been. been a little nervous of course but really. We're just pushing forward. We can go from there all the way to rock and Roll Hall of fame. I WANNA look at Eddie vedder inducted. Take Aria Music is truly all encompassing. They've used every color on the pilot. They've invented colors on their own. Such wisdom feelings of the songs that I think they. They helped us find things that we knew were inside of and I think the helped us find things that we didn't know we had inside his some beautiful mhm. What a great guy? I mean the thing that was really wild for us. Up being inducted into the Rock Hall of fame is that we were inducted. The same year as Ronnie Spector grandmaster flash and patty smell. That was that was pretty registrar. Goodyear did you. This will sound like a compliment. But it's true on some bands. They get really big and then other musicians. They don't really dig them. Do you know what I'm talking about. Uh like they're too big sure that never happened to you And that's true with what we just saw that he better. I WanNa read from someone you both. I think no and cherish from my hometown of Seattle. Kurt Cobaine who said if I could write just a couple of songs as good as what what they've written. I don't know how that band does what they do. God they're the greatest they've dealt with their success like saints and they keep delivering great music. Doc what does it mean that other musicians feel this kinship to you at anything reflect on about about Kurt. Cobaine occur while he was a really sweet guy and he was a great musician and he had a great sense humor and it's too bad that he left us and soon as he did. Part of monster and part of the reason that we responded to the two albums that we had put up prior to that one which sold more tens of millions of records and we'd ever sold before was a way to retain I think that credibility amongst a younger group of people who were inspired by by the way that we had forged our way through a very difficult industry and done so without losing arsons perspective ourselves. You know to to so To know what you don't want to do and to forge on with that regardless of whether they tell you you're not gonNA make it. You can't do it that way. You have to this way. We rejected that and we were still successful. And I think that gave inspiration to a Lotta people and walk us through some of what that's like it's different now because it's easier to get at least your music out there to get it to some market than it was then I mean then if you didn't play by the most of those corporate roles you couldn't get bution period. Yeah well we were told. We had to open for really big bands which we rejected for the most part. We were told we had to get some kind of identifying hair style or clothing style or some kind of gimmick people would associated associated with us and like matching. Yeah matching and sensitive field. I mean does it feel very rem. I'll come out and metro since MOCATTA which we've done it at least once but it was just one thing we said No. We're not we know what we don't want to do. And that's one of them. I have nothing to add to that look at breath. Nothing that you know. This is a newsroom. So when we sit the pundits down where you're sitting Ed never happens. I know they never say there's nothing to add. I think of the slower aretha. You guys talk. But that's okay. I think we have something that is of interest is speaking of news viewers. Dan Rather many people will forgotten. This went on stage. I think I have some video of this with you. Guys I think we have. Let's take take a look. This is Dan rather performing. And we'll talk about what it all means. What's the frequency Kenneth? The walkers through that is a legend. Well the song was taken from the weird phrase. What's the frequency Kenneth? This guy attacked him in central park. And no one one new what it meant and I took that phrase and I turned it into sales for the song he was such a good sport to get on stage and perform with us. And I know it's hard to talk about sort of where that comes from create creatively. But you obviously didn't worry or care that someone's auto are you making light of this or whatever this incident you just said what. Oh I'm reading. This is from of course monster. Four x expectations like an armored suit. I couldn't understand you. Said Irony was the shackles of youth. And then you're kind kind of playing with the this weird cultural moment right what what was going to get drawn. Disgust is not the same as apathy. That was Richard Linklater. Yeah I was just I was. It was The character was older guy was trying to understand the younger generation and failing miserably on it and the phrase what's the frequency Kenneth was an indicator of the confusion fusion and the chaos that he saw rather than what was actually going on. Do you think that dynamic is even more prevalent today because it feels like things are getting faster and faster. Yeah Yeah Yeah but I think this is a contraction that we have to go through as a country in order to achieve something a little more progressive and better and. I think that's where we're headed. I'm an optimist however you're used to take twenty years for generation to shift and now it takes two if that so it's easy to get left behind. I WanNa read some of the iconic connick lines. We do that around here so I'm not just doing that to you. Guys just see you feeling Life is bigger. It's bigger than you. That's me in the corner. That's it's me in the spotlight. Losing my religion trying to keep up with you. Why do such simple kind of phrases like that become so iconic such a generation I think the voice? He's the voice over some really great music and there's a universality to some of those lyrics that anyone can can put them put themselves into and read whatever they want to in them the original lyrics. Not that's in the spotlight. It was. That's me in the kitchen. Kitchen didn't have quite the same. I don't know because the way I wanted out sharpening stones walking on coals to Improve Your Business Acumen Acumen vested interest united ties landed gentry rationalize look who brought the myth by Jingo by American. You better be careful because someone's going to take that and put it to a really good beat and you're going to have a dance on your got a nice flow going on. I have to say that was a song called zooming McCarthy and it was about Joseph McCarthy of course Roy Cohen who it turns out mentor our current president so We were looking looking at Reagan America and it looked all too familiar. It's a shame that that song means today kind of the same thing. It meant twenty five years ago thirty years ago. We haven't gone as far as we think. We have an earth if we do we get pushed back a little bit so it's very Sisyphean to try to have social progress every every time you get forward you get somebody resist you move back another one that really works and you never know. I'll I'll share a little brief story when I was in college. We did a thing where we were reading the Bible as literature when they do that and someone in the class said it sounds a lot like Bob Marley which is an observation. But of course. That's Bob Marley sings versus out of the Bible. So really kind of depends on what your entry points with that in mind. Some of this stuff sounds like stuff up today and the question is well maybe it's all growing. Rem the last lyric. I'M GONNA throw out your hey welcome to the occupation. Listen to the Congress fire offering the educated primitive and loyal welcome to the occupation. Pretty good I thought you were going to go to I. I can't say that I love Jesus that would be a hollow claim but But you went somewhere else. That's a good one. I had to get a Jesus in there because my heroes Lurid With the velvet underground and Patti Smith had both started songs with the word. Jesus so I wrote a song. Jesus but it's a different one the one that you quoted you quoted welcome to the occupation. Yes yes yeah and so when you see as you as you put it with whether it's neo-mccarthyism or the language of occupation the rhetoric of challenge of of corporate greed. Do you feel. Wow maybe there's some larger conversation here that's echoing us or that's just culture and you don't know that was written specifically in the eighties about American intervention in Central America But it sadly resonates as Mike said earlier as much today as it as it did. The art is art are just supposed to reflect culture or comment on it Whether you want to or not that just seems to happen in and it's a shame that it's still relevant today as it was done by the time ago. Yeah relevant today and a lot of these themes they weren't written to be explicitly anything at the time and yet here. They are still meaning to a lot of different people so I want to give special. Thanks Michael Stipe and Mike Mills and tell everyone the twenty bucks for the album monster is out with remastered versions of the work and it's time to fall back. It's the end of the world as we know it because Michael Stipe and Mike Mills are on the beach and we are feeling fine. They are the grammy winning founding members of the band. Rem these rock and Roll Hall of Famers have sold over eighty five million records. Worldwide decided by many musicians is trailblazers for independent music. Now are ever celebrating. The twentieth anniversary of their enigmatic album monster with a remastered version of the album is part of the forthcoming box. Set who you call on win. Great by rock royalty foreign policy expert David Rothkopf. Of course yes. Of course. Carnegie scholar and former Clinton official has added Foreign Policy magazine written for publications and is the author author of National Insecurity American leadership in an age of fear. What an honor to have all of you here? I love it David you're you're the repeat customer here so I'm going to start with you. What's on your fallback list? Well I think maybe we could start with having PG any and the Governor Burma California fallback. 'cause you think California's the fifth largest state in a fifth largest economy in the world. And maybe they could learn how to generate electricity for everybody everybody and do so without burning the And you know if you're GONNA have fires that destroy communities every couple of months. Maybe the the state could do more about it because this is starting to be irregular thing. Yeah and it seems an civilized rich country. We shouldn't have both cities burning down all the time I in addition to that issue is also a time even though we don't know each incident as as exactly what's caused it we. We are seeing extreme weather. An extreme climate Reactions a lot more frequently absolutely and it's absurd that we have extreme climate whether it's hurricanes we've had fires like this and meanwhile the government in Washington which is supposed to be protecting us from. This is actually denying that it's happening. It's deny it's firing scientists scientists. It's firing the people that actually know anything about it. It's defunding programs. It's it's directing money to things like coal industry which happens to also be dying being this week and and you know the result is literally conflagration literally Los Angeles is in flames right now. Yeah well you always bring important wouldn't topics the table and I will say. I think this was a very good contribution but I don't take it but I don't think you are the coolest list person on the panel. Have to tell you that I disagree with you. Go for I think. He's I think intelligence. Yeah well with David found out that he got to be on this panel like me on some days when we come to be he was very excited is that fair to say still excite still excited to this moment Michael. What or who on? You're listening to fall back. I feel like I'm standing on top of a bunch of teetering boxes. When I say media in general short specifically social media I read the Jaron? Lanier book Tend arguments for delivering your social media accounts now and it confirmed and for me. How destructive Social media has become and I would like to see that fallback facebook. It's it's a good week for that. Yeah particularly twitter. I feel like we would be living in a very different universe today. Had Jack Dorsey Twitter told Donald J trump two and a half years. There's ago that what you're putting on our platform is hate speech and you're off. I wonder where we where we would be now in a better place in a much better. Ah It's absolutely you've been really good on this. You've been following the facebook story for a couple years and you know we have gotten to the point where facebook is the equivalent of the robber barons in the one thousand nine hundred big company too much power and you know going around saying we're not a media company when in fact they're the media company right. Everything goes through them. And that's really really dangerous. Yeah Mike what else is on your mind. Well you sort of left online a little bit. I think science. Denial has to fall all back. Because you science teaches us everything we know and if you continue to deny science you're gonna go backwards and people are going to die and it's literally killing alling people to continue to pretend that that science does not trump just about everything else and I think it's just crazy that That people are getting away with as you say. Firing scientists defunding funding government research organisations. It's a crime and people are suffering for it. Look I'm My Dad worked at Bell. Labs the kid of a scientist. I grew up in a world full of scientists and everything that we benefit from Has Come to us by by way of all of those scientists. Some of the benefits have gotten twisted. In the way that Michael was just talking about terms of social media and so forth but they you know there's no denying that if we relied on it we would benefit from it and we also can't roll it back you know the the Donald Trump's not gonNA stop. The climate problem is not going to stop our progress on neuroscience. He's not going to stop the Chinese from developing what needs to be done in terms of green energy. And so so you know we need to recognize that as well. Yeah when you talk also about the pressures of social media you're talking about powerful people like the president and how he got powerful and that dynamic namic as as individuals who are somewhat independent or counterculture. What do you also think about? People generations growing up in an environment where everything thing is immediately about generating likes approval. I want to sidestep for a second because I think the focus on the president is a little too much. I think we need to. We're really focused on the people who allowed him to have this platform and have allowed him to stay in office and be able to bark out the kind of crap that he barks out on the daily basis. And you guys cover and we all talk about rambling. Yeah we're on about well. I'm also said there's no no traditional media media criticism in addition to social here. Let's embarrassing what happened to the New York Times. A A paper that I grew up with that I loved deeply and It's kind of. It's kind of interesting what's happened to the Washington Post the paper that is owned by someone who I do not like But but but there's a lot of great people this law great people working at the New York Times. I just don't think that they have the platform that they might have had under different Different leadership and you're talking also. You're saying you're worried or concerned about the level of corporate control role of the papers and industry and all the all this I think I think it could be addressed in a much different way and I. I do want to emphasize trump and talk more about when we talk about talk about the administration. Let's talk about the people who allow him to be there yelling on and Andre distracting twisted around a little bit not to defend the media. Because 'cause I don't think the media deserves defense on this but I'd be interested in your reactions at one of the things that strikes me is that we have the problems with trump. We have the problems with denying science. We have the problems with rampant corruption. We've got a lot of problems right now. What we don't have a lot of arts activism? I don't see I don't see the protest songs I I don't. I don't see the parody movies. I don't see a lot of the criticism that you would think would be happening right now because this is an outrageous time I just I just put out a protest song my first solo single ever you can go to Michael Stipe dot com and download it and I didn't know that I take all the proceeds from the first year. All every single penny of profit goes to rebellion a group grouped under a proud to be a member. And I think that's wonderful though I think David speaking to the point and we don't want to just do the generational thing but it does seem sometimes like when you want the big advancement of equality. Social civil rights movements was more of that it felt like earlier than now with today's musician. There's an odd. It's just everyone seems interested in building their brand and I don't know if that's just. The greed seems to have filtered all through society and Culture in general. But but it's a real shame thing that more people aren't speaking out against there are just afraid because things like twitter armies will come after them or social media will tear them down if they start to take a stand on controversial position. But I think that's exactly exactly what artists should do of any. Everybody should do but especially artists. Well we're the same age. Roughly where sort of grew up with revolution. Loosen the the sense of people being in the street the sense of challenging the system you kind of had the feeling that was going to keep going on and we kind of turned it down. We've lost our way and we've never needed as much as we need it now. I couldn't agree more. So that's a that's a TV killer. Hiller people start well we we believe in a certain kind of a meditative silence thoughtful. I'm sure breath because there's a complacency that's really frightening among artists. I think and I and I don't understand it and I don't know why there's not more anger. There's plenty of there's plenty of rebellion again. I mean we. We were in London. You could barely get around because of the extinction rebellion. I mean it's it's there but it's it's It I just don't see leadership coming from the arts community that that you would expect yeah right and if you look in Hong Kong are you looking chillier. You look in Bolivia look in Russia you look in there are people in the streets but here in the US where we've got all these problems we just talked about not so much or sporadically. We didn't know what would happen when we brought you guys together. But I've thoroughly enjoyed it and he's giving us a lot to think about thank you thank you thank you appreciate it David. Mike are Anchoring Michael.

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Rock Candy Ep. 114: R.E.M. - Alliteration, Acronyms, Eyebrows

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Rock Candy Ep. 114: R.E.M. - Alliteration, Acronyms, Eyebrows

"Episode coming on up wait we do. Yeah how you bought beer and then we have to do it up. Oh Fan episode based on a beer that we got yes. Okay step so I was like wait to sorry. Drink a lot of beer. I actually don't know I have no idea. I know nothing about. Ram So this is going to be an education because most people don't know anything about rem because they are an exceedingly private banned. Yeah if you WANNA know about the creative process. Yeah that's fine. Tell you about Prime God. Good fucking luck to me. You know what for the past two weeks trying to fucking find things about the band? 'cause private lives. They're not for you. Oh it's too KLAFF's yes right to one client to client clap then two claps. I'm still learning that. Yeah also if you're really bored during this corona virus thing you can call an oates Colino because apparently everybody found out about that today. Pitch walking me like ten years ago. Yeah you can. I think it's seven one nine six two oats. That's the phone number. I've really impressed that you memorized but you can call it. Toll Free All day every day in all night and you can hear me or one of four eater. Man Eater privatize add a touch. I think in maybe family man or the other one. But you'll hear one four. Maybe when my dreams come true her kiss on my list. I don't know I think my list is on that list a so. So if you guys are role board during Corentin also Michael State. We were tricked into thinking. Michael staife rewrote the lyrics to out till it's the end of the world as we know what he did and he did not he just sang to bars of it and then was like here's a PSA on Washington. Wash your handling. No I know I know. Michael Stipe I know I need to wash my hands look. I don't need a warning from you of all people anybody who is low watching you right now doesn't need to be told. I'm sorry but the people who need to be told aren't listening to rem. It's true come for me. 'cause Gen xers are really made to ride out this corona virus here. My Eyes Rolling. Yeah come on Gen xers tell us how like this isn't a big deal. Tell us how you're already prepared to ride this one out by doing nothing like you do for everything all the time you can. Just sit around. Like millennials and boomers right all they do is get upset about millennials and boomers. They might right. I don't do anything. Let me turn off hair. Well we went real hard after Gen xers. I don't know why I was like. Wow this is the train. I'm jumping on that. We thought we had nothing to open up with exercise. Every gen-x are listening has learned. They were like. Are you GonNa Make Fun of me? Yeah you should know by now. We make fun of everybody including ourselves. Yeah I mean Yeah Gen xers we gotTa Punch on You. But like we'll get twenty more ourselves to worry. Yeah don't you worry very disproportionate in your favor. So well could arrive. Candy Weekly podcast bringing you stories entails and sweet treats from the world of music and self deprecation always every titan buckets. And where your hosts Maggie? I'm Ashley and we did it. We finally introduced ourselves within the five minutes. We said the name of the show we introduced ourselves. We fucking did it. Yeah there you go. We were losing it there for a little bit but we got our shit together. Don't fucking day it is anymore and I go into work and we record on the same day changed but I'm just but I don't know what day it is anymore. No idea none but yes so this week. We are discussing the college band of the Gen. Xers and honestly the millennials. I mean there are. There are still kicking when we were in high school and they had their their real hits when we were in elementary Middle School. I would say so. Therefore they were a big part of our growing up. Oh Yeah I mean I highly doubt you hear the are the name. Rem and don't think of at least like five songs. Yeah namely I'm sure so when you hear rem what's the first thing that comes to your mind. I know it's hard because I've been singing man on the moon all night because that's the beer we it's either man on the Moon Everybody Hurts Or actually The one I love comes to my mind a lot or shiny happy people say fucking heat. That's all I got news for you talk about it or a ton we'll dabble. I always go to losing my religion. Oh yeah there's that one too. Yeah Yeah no shiny happy. People definitely makes you WANNA punched in the face like it's it's one of those songs. Where if there is a movie about a serial killer that goes on a rampage? That would be the ironic song that's playing in the background. Honestly good pit and I'm sorry nobody's done that but don't take my idea because maybe one day I'll write a movie about a serial killer down there. There we go. We're finally for fighting. It's my claim to fame. Yeah you're GONNA write that movie serial killer and the famous scene. Shiny happy painful. I got all the time in the world and REM's like you can use it. Shit whenever rory. I'm I feel like they would give a shit. Maybe if it was everybody hurts they propose that would be funny. He might not give a shit. But that's like there's such a private band and I can't get a solid read on them. Yeah at all any of them. Sometimes I watch Michael Staife Oh God. He's probably insufferable. But sometimes I watch him and I'm like on assume maybe he's Kinda cool and Shell. Maybe it's hard to tell and I think they do that on purpose. I think they basically want no one to understand who they are as people. Yeah maybe it's fine. I mean he could be like the nicest person in the world or he could be like moby. I don't know you know what I wonder. If because he's bald and skinny and white he just happens to fall into mobile for US. Kinda yeah. I doubt his insufferable asthma. You look at Michael Stipe. In the first word that flashes up above his head is Vegan. Like he's nuts and I think has that look. He is not open about veganism is he could be. You know but you know at the fact that you don't know means that he still better than moby true there you go there you go also good job good job on them for keeping it. Private misses fucking long. I will get some of the things that weren't as private but yeah which I was like. Oh I didn't know that this is apparently a very big deal. I did not know so. That's funny yeah. So researching them was difficult in terms of getting like personal details So for the episode. I'm kind of covering more. I'm GonNa talk about the music a lot more than normally do the songs songs that we know. I'm going to talk about those a bit more than I normally do. 'cause normally like yeah you know the heads if you don't know that's. I don't know I don't know what today looks them up there. We have the Internet now. You should know yeah I always feel like I don't need to tell you 'cause if you're curious enough just guy spotify and youtube and there's so many avenues you can just go pop song up man alive. What time tie realize? That's what made me so picky about music now. Mike Allison I can listen to whatever I want now. Yeah but even then I can't figure out what I WANNA listen to. Yeah I've things like this like spotify an Amazon Music Shit have made me so spazzy. Yes when it comes to music. Can't sit down and listen to a whole album very rarely. Can I do that anymore? So if it's a brand new album I can do it because I want to listen to this album. Yeah yeah whatever else are spazzy about beer yet because we literally have four beers on our table right now really do but the one. We were drinking for tonight's episode. That inspired today. So is man on the Moon. From four miles brewing. It's on the Bank of the allegheny allegany allegheny from Olean New York or only an here. We're not sure which one it is. Yes we are from the state but we have no fucking clue how to pronounce this pretty western New York and deep western New York. Like what's that dark shadowy place that's western New York there? Yeah off sorry to our western New York listeners. But come on. Do you know where you live. I've spent plenty of time. I know what's up over there but despite this being an Ip it's actually could. It's quite like we're not even shitting you right now. It's really good. I will project the other one it's it's Ip for people who don't like IPA's extremely mild. And I like that. It's like wait if it's not really happy. It's less abuse I don't know I think it's like what is it like to I. It's like. There's there's no hops in it. I mean there are no Hobson it. Ups why the no hops. Now there's clearly not an Easter beer but I'm CH- get out no hops. A one hundred percent knew what you saying and I'm not here for users over fuck over it. In animal. Crossing edited called Bunny Day rotated around Easter dug up so many eggs Easter nicer again. And I just want a bag of all black jelly beans and I can't go out and get one. I'm very upset about insurers plenty laugh. I'm sure they're GONNA be around till Christmas so draw. Do like a target pickup. I'm sure I have no trouble if you do that. Yeah ensure will have no problem. Nobody gets entire bags of black jelly beans. I do yeah. That's it. They make them for you. Could I want them all good? You're getting the ball fine. Good put him in my basement. Fine then go then. I'm going to get us the black delicacies. What the fuck all right. So we have a beer. We have a band. Why don't we tell you the story? Hey let's get into the topic. We came here for sorry guys right many attribute rem as the band that created the blueprint for alternative rock and bringing it out into the mainstream at a time. When Rock was mostly power chords and lyrics about the excesses of life these guys came in with melodic guitars and a guy singing some of the most angst ridden lyrics disguised so many beautiful metaphors very sad. Yeah they that's not what the eighties were. I don't think except for post-punk I don't think Michael Stipe. Michael Stipe smiled at all during the entire decades of the eighties and nineties. No you're right you didn't. I don't even think he's he's smile during the Shiny Happy People which is ironic to say the least. No one knew exactly what to make of them. Still don't yeah but they also knew that. Hey we like this music especially the college crowd. Gen xers coming into their own. Don't like rem was singing about the things important to their lives. I mean because for what it's worth like xers weren't all here for that hair metal shit. Oh No not at all. I think a lot of them were here for like a more intellectual sound or the grunge shit or the grunge shit is what they were really here for. Yeah and let me tell you. This was that bridge into grunge for sure. It really seemed to be a perfect storm of elements falling into place for these guys who instead of crumbling during the transition from eighties to nineties again grunge. They hit their peak and didn't see any real stumbles for a few years and while they may no longer be together after an amicable split in two thousand eleven. I still think they're songs have relevance today and their story should be told So let's do it starts around the end of the seventies in Atlanta Georgia. Were for college. Kids all met up with each other based on their mutual love of music. It wasn't long before they start decided to start a band where they collaborated on songs together. I didn't know that they were from the south. They are but they aren't. We may as well start with the most widely known lead singer. Michael Stipe born January. Fourth nineteen sixty. He was the son of a military dad which resulted in him constantly. Moving around okay. I wouldn't really say he's from anywhere. He Graduated High School in Collinsville Illinois and decided to go to college at the University of Georgia and the city of Athens. Oh Okay Michael. Never saw himself as a singer despite what others would tell him even though he wasn't seeing music as a career at this point he was still really into our and he majored in photography and painting college worthwhile subject. That will totally get you a job. Let me tell you I That's where it is guys. We promise the arts. That's that's what you want to major in. Yeah you get what? You could probably just fucking do that without going to college in. Save yourself a whole lot of fucking money yes yourself anyway sorry them rant but it is funny because Michael was in a few bands back in like high school Guys Really K. Come sing and he's like I can't sing in just doing he's like all right. Which is so weird. Because I always heard that he was such a shy guy. Oh he is. Yeah yeah so I mean again. Why he so private yeah. Michael enjoyed visiting the local independent record store called Walk Street records. Look stree- looks good. I tried so hard to not do that and I really what I went to. I didn't do it. Yes the W you. X T R Y records extremely asking for people to fuck it up. Yeah you know what I didn't doing here asking for people to Elmer. Fudd the shit out of the family. Quiet I am going to walk sweet Wackos. That's fair. Michael was a weird kid and had an ECLECTIC taste in music every visit. He would grab records from the artsy or more obscure artists. Much to the store clerks chagrin. Why Peter Buck was the clerk? Oh and he would usually tuck those records deep into the shelves so anyone else to find. Yeah you wanted them. You label him interested and just like. Tuck them away and he's like nobody's GonNa want this velvet underground record. No which one is the elmer fudd in this situation. Probably Peter Buck Peter. Buck would be Michael. State is definitely the bugs bunny. 'cause he's Paul. Yeah that's how oiling. Everything spoiling everything walks backwards at first. Peter Found Michael's ability to sniff out the rare stuff annoying but eventually brought them together and they became friends Yeah Peter was born on December sixth nineteen fifty-six in Berkeley California. After graduating high school he went to emory university Georgia but dropped out before graduating. By the time he was working at walk story he was back at school. Also attending the University of Georgia. Michael brought up the idea of being a band Peter but initially he turned down because Peter believed guys and bands were assholes basically told them but hey we could just not be assholes. Yeah you can do that and from there. They began to create songs together. But I really liked the Peter's like now man guys are assholes if I bring you have to be xactly is like you know after. That's adorable as these two bonded over music. Their friend group expanded and eventually they met two guys who had been making attempts at a music career for a little bit at this point Bill Berry and Mike Mills the alliteration dream to say wow the alliteration on their name. Now it's so good they could call themselves like the the alliteration boy. Yeah that's that's what I would have done. But that's probably why I don't have a band but it should be the ill liberation boy that could be a white boy rap group. Sure the tells us should if there's a time line were that happy. Yeah there is bill or as I like to call them eyebrows whole eyebrows. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah what are some fucking caterpillars and like you know what you shouldn't give a fuck when everything's things about you and like everyone's you fun of him. I'm impressed. Oh No I feel like maybe like you could groom those down a little you can but also I'm impressed. He don't groom those things home. I got they are terrifying but this was also well before manager stood. You could do such things like groome your eyebrow not be assholes in a bad in like shower daily because I know these things still don't understand. Yeah they don't anyway. So bill was born July thirty first nineteen fifty eight in Duluth Minnesota. He also moved around a lot with his family mostly in the Midwest until they finally settled in Macon Georgia. When bill was in high school and there he attended Mount de Sales Academy where he also met and befriended Mike. Oh so they met in high school in those always into music dabbling in many things but mostly sticking to drums. Mike on the other hand was primarily a bassist. Mike was born in Orange County. California on December Seventeenth Nineteen fifty eight. His family moved to make on Georgia when he was a preteen. So none of these guys are from the South tha-that's just where they happen to meet. Yeah together bill and Mike. We're in a few bands together. One Band was known as shadow facts. So from this we can assume they are pretty big nerds. Oh God I hope so right. Okay definitely so nothing really stuck and they ended up figuring day jobs in college degrees. Were probably in order. And it wasn't long before these four met up and quickly bonded again. Over their love for music they began to not their love for Lord of the Rings. I mean come on. I don't where Peter and Michael Fall with Lord of the Rings. I would hope they fall on the side of we can love it. Yeah because it's pretty much inside you're allowed to be Basically the began to work on some songs together. And it's just a creative outlet at first but it didn't take much prodding to see that they had something unique going on here like most people who start a band. There was no grand plan to this at all. They were just going to make music and see when the plead at small gatherings supporting other local bands. All the while was no set band name. The leader was names like twisted kites or my personal favorite cans of piss. Not a name for Mellow alternative fans of this cans of why cans? Why the fuck it how. How does how did this come this again? They are very difficult. Research story behind that that I desperately wanted you guys know the story behind this. Let us know well. Fortunately they didn't love anything. They came up with now. Good well cans EPIs- I mean I just don't know if I would have been into You know night swimming by cans or losing my religion biking or this one goes out to the one I love frequency. Cut US by kids. None of those really word doesn't have the same. It doesn't roll off your tongue as much really busy. That's certain Genesis Equa kids. Don't really have it. No so legend has it that during a rehearsal or hanging out. Michael grabbed a dictionary and selected words at random when he landed on rem for rapid eye movement. This really the perfect name. They say like some have argued that that might not be where the name came from. But if you watch interviews. That's what was as story is because I feel like I remember at some point in like the late nineties early. Two thousands everyone was like rem doesn't mean rapid eye movement. But I don't remember what the supporting evidence was. That's fair I don't know it well so there's another story that apparently Michael was really into this obscure Kentucky based photographer named Ralph. Eugene Meet Yard. That's not real real name. Your Yard Philly came off the Bo. What are you guys going through Ellis Island? They're trying in like the worst broken English to explain that they have cow that their cattle ranchers just end up coming up with me yard and they're like all right. You're the meat yards. Yeah so that's the thing. Yeah all the fucking Shit. Don't make any sense. This Day you can go to Ellis Island and go to the memorial. That has all the names of all the people that had passarella silence of the lambs and look up the meat yards all. They were a good strong family. A hardy folk hardy Russian folk. I imagined they were Russia's. Sure meet yard anyway. So Ralph here would sign. All of his works are em and so people. Think that. Because Michael Stipe was really into him at the time that he was in fluence to call his band Aria and rapid eye movement a little mix of both. The dictionary story sounds far more plausible. I Dunno meet yard but I like to meet your meat yard. They they have the meat yards yards me. Oh let's discuss tariffs inured semi look like rotting in the Sun. You don't sell enough. Don't put it out there. Who put it in the heard? Putin afraid we're meet belonged snow. And that's how the meat yards do it. That's what gives it that. Certain spicy taste tangy flavor. Your meat should be tagging well. All right I digress. It wasn't long after that the boys decide to drop out of school and immerse themselves in the growing Athens music scene. I realize now I think I said that are stories started in Atlanta Georgia. It definitely was Athens Georgia so going back to bring that to my bed. Typo that. That's my bad. I am sorry there you have it. It's Athens not HOTLANTA ATLANTA. Athens is more of a hipster joint. I feel like but I. I've never been correct me if I'm wrong anyway. While many people focus on places like New York City and L. A. is hot spots for music. Athens was home to a lot of alternative new wave groups not just rem but others like pylon widespread panic and the B fifty. Two's Oh there you go the Rock lobster came from Georgia Rock lobster rock lobster. Went DOWN TO GEORGIA I corps so lobster playing fiddle all my own cat it. I will throw nineteen eighty. The band's popularity shot right up with Iraq San that no one had really heard before or Peggie owes plead by Guitar. A Bass playing counter melodies and deep poetic lyrics. It was a sensible answer for those looking for something. Maybe a little bit new indifferent after the rage of Pont punk was dying out And it is a good counterbalance to post punk. I feel like yeah like this type of alternative coming in was definitely a little harder than a sad. It wasn't sad boy songs. The Way Post punk is. Don't get me wrong. Yeah fucking Love post-punk you'd still get your rocks off with the hard core lake baseliner whatever but you can have a little emotion with it. Exactly Nice lyrics it was. It was a little balls here. I guess post-punk in in the sound way. Yeah this This girly music's got some balls to. Yeah it's girly with ball. Yeah there you go Yup Yup. That's you're welcome. They're playing more and more local shows. Eventually they got a van and began touring southern United States. So you get advanced out of a time. Where else can you go anywhere? You gotta there. It was like the cells. Go anywhere that fucking van. Which probably is why they stayed to the south. Does it was probably a bad van. Was it was good enough fan. Good enough van good enough fan but times were still tight and they had a daily food budget of only two dollars number. That's like a bag of fritos and a diet coke. Yeah so in. Nineteen eighty-five not now. How will your bag of fritos to diet cokes in one thousand nine hundred five eighty nineteen eighty whole? Yeah you could get to diet cokes. Ask Yeah even like a diet coke regular coke. Just get real spicy with it anyway. Despite what some might of thought they were certainly paying their dues with the old tour routine and they were gathering fans all over and better gigs as well. By the time they opened for the police they knew it was time to get some songs recorded. Finally they opened for the police and they didn't even have a fucking album. Yeah this is nine hundred. Eighty s police. Yeah but I don't think they had hit their stride yet really. I don't know I'm really out of times with the I don't. I'm not a police expert manner my I don't I I WANNA say. The police started in the Zoom Nova. Definitely did but Seventy Five No. They don't stand so close to me or something. I know I very much remember. Don't stand so close to from when I was a kid. 'cause I really like that song can be like. Oh No that was like why parents let me listen to this from the GECKO. Rem had very democratic method when it came to creating songs everyone has a say and the opportunity to contribute and Michael usually didn't add lyrics until the music was pretty much already made. That would probably be how I did it to Ray. He just would let the instrumentation inspired lyrics. They got involved with producer. Mitch Easter and got his help to put together a demo tape which included their first single radio. Free Europe right away. The band was showing the world what they could expect from these guys. The four track demo tape was released in Nineteen eighty-one through Atlanta based indie label. Hip Tone. Initially there were only one thousand. Copies made six hundred of which were sent out just as promo copies soon after they discovered. That wasn't enough and they had to press another six thousand. Wow bitches wanted this jam. They had a solid manager in their good friend and record store. Manager Jefferson Holt. Did he manage? What is it looks extreme? Wesson sweet way might work walks records woj Holy Shit some even referred to him as the unofficial fifth member of the band because he just had that much involvement walks at walks we elected wacker so by evolvement. So much getting them wet scooby. Weapons can them West? We wickets out. Boy had an eye for taking the right path and heavily encouraged. Rem To make an EP after this initial success well if you can manage books because he can surely manager. Oh my God and you won't believe what happens so enter chronic town their debut. Ep Jefferson figured he would just release it on his small. Indie label called dashed hopes. But instead the guys had labels fighting tooth and nail to sign them. I kind of feel like dashed hopes is just the wrong name for a record label. I mean like if you want to sign a record label. I don't call it Dash. It's not a good idea. 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Wow It's let's be honest and I mean can feel perky parents. They are very picky. And they're not pitchfork piglets. That's true but they're picky about the weirdest shit right enemy doesn't make sense to me very much. Yeah they're picky yes. There are a little picky when they went to work on their full. Lp IRS set them up with producer. Stephen Hague who was good but also very focused on technical perfection. Which really isn't Rem's really gets never anybody's Mo unless you're like a super pop star or like really into appealing to as many people as humanly possible. Nobody's really like I want to sound absolutely fucking pin drop perfect but also especially around this time in the eighty s with these bands. These groups cheers. I don't they wanted to be a little more raw. I don't need it to be polished. Yeah but Stephen was like no. We're going for perfection her K. He forced the band to do many retakes of the same song which bill specifically found really demoralizing on one track catapult. Stephen brought it to a studio in Boston to add keyboards without their permission. What's bright how can you do that? International Yeah users enough was enough for them and Rem Asir Label if they could work with their old producer. Mitch Easter instead. Irs agreed to give him a trial run once they completed the track pilgrimage the Senate over to the exacts who agreed to let them continue with Mitch and his producing partner. Don Dixon good because you were getting some good shit out of them finally yes. They weren't being and Don Dixon also has that alliteration. Yeah I mean like is required for this kind of job with rem. I mean let's face it. Rem's just filled with alliteration and acronyms and eyebrows and eyebrows. Alliteration acronym eyebrows. Yeah that's really what? Rem's about yes. I A E. They should called themselves. I E E I know and after the bad taste left from Stephen Mitch and John took a very hands off. Approach to producing. She's what they wanted. Exactly only asking for retakes when it was absolutely necessary and the ban refused to incorporate any rock cliches like guitar. Solos or the presence of synthesizers. They just donate a sound really. Don't yeah the final product released was their debut album murmurs fans and critics alike praised. It saying the band made good on the promise of more good music based on their EP As the next few years came and went. Rem was still seeing moderate success. They were getting positive critical reception but still not a ton of airplay and they reviewed. Moore's a college rock band but throughout this time they were developing a really solid cult. Fan Base one day. I hope to procure a cult. Fan Base also Now L. I don't trust that So this thrust into success was a little much for Michael who may have been the lead singer but was at his core a very shy person. Going up on stage in front of more and more people was a hard thing for him to come to terms with when they first started. He actually very long hair that he would keep in his face. I remember that yeah. He did it on purpose so that that way he wouldn't have to see the crowd and he felt like he was. That is very maynard. James Key goals of him but James. Mayonnaise key goals. Excuse me of him. Kazaa meter. James Keenan. Does that still to this day. Oh he really only does it when he's performing with tool when he's performing with. Pusa for he's like he's not really in front stage or anything he's kind of in the back singing and with A perfect circle. He's pretty much in front. He keeps a dark. He doesn't do any spotlight's on him or anything. No I'm just GonNa say though I feel like that's that's just a stylistic choice I think it no at first. It was at least at first. It was very much because he was like terrified. Oh Yeah At this point probably stylistic yeah probably so going up on stage for. Michael was just a hard thing for him to come to terms with the long hair and his face. He wasn't much of a mover when he was on stage and many thought he acted the complete antithesis of a Rockstar. He wasn't onstage. Licken me me. I can't picture him being that way. But honestly this might have been what his appeals to so many people that he wasn't onstage saying he was just. I just blake. Who is he still mysterious? Like who is. He's just like. Stop looking at me but you know what though. Makeup did begin to find a comfort in his weird ways on stage and he became less shy with every performance. He even decided dying. His hair may draw attention but he wanted to do it anyway. Then was because he saw bull mustard one night the way so back the story is that many questions so. I guess one night backstage before they went on stage. He saw this bullet mustard probably part of their food thing. Or whatever like why is it in a bowl and Al people are weird but he looked at it and he asks one of the. I couldn't remember if it was a ban mater or do you know just like a Rhody. And he's like doesn't it? Doesn't that kind of make you dip your head in it and the guys like no? Let's talk and had like mustard hair and you did it for a couple nights. He's like Nah fuck it. I'll just die my hair. Yeah just die your hair then. He stopped putting mustard. I don't think it's going to condition it very well. Know in one thousand nine five. They switched up the recording process for the third album fables of the reconstruction and got new producers and they recorded in England and this was a fancy sh meanwhile yeah I think they thought there being some fancy schmancy but this was a really rough time for the guys who found the weather in the food of where they were being where they were at the moment to be pretty lousy. I guess if you're going from Georgia to England yeah but also I would absolutely love to be there. I would thrive in that kind of environment. It's so weird to me because I feel like there are people who either like love going to Europe or they fucking hate going era. I love it especially for I mean yeah especially. You came Britain because the weather is kinda dreary. Yeah and I think people are ready to handle that. I'm totally here for that. Gothic romantic dreary day. Kind of old castle musty. Shit you know it's lovely but some people are just. Don't I just want to float through a fuck in hedge maze in a flowing black dress in just wow ngenda shaved lounge and Here's the daily rain at four PM. Yep yes but on top of all that. This was a concept album with a focus on the myths and folklore of the southern. Us of smoke. Yeah it's actually kind of interesting. A lot of the band's gloomy on we was transferred onto these songs. Leumi on we. I was my that was me. I came up with that kind of what it felt like. When you hear them talking about is like it just feels like an ennui that you guys have and you're just being really gloomy and sad. Michael Stipe is like the personification of gloomy on we oh my God really is oh man. The process of creating this album was tough and the band did have a brief brief moment of doubt if they even keep going after this well. England's hard guys England's so hard out here talking about I'm like Oh my God but like it's slow hard. The food's not really that good and it rains a lot. You should have known that before you went to England guy. Ram You should have known this was gonNA be some Bullshit Yashin known but go on. They did and despite getting bigger they were actually still pretty nice guys. The Mansa toured with them. The had nothing but nice things to say the guys who are coming out burbs her the bands who were coming out to open for or asked to fill out a survey that included like things. Nice and like you know just little details but tell us about your stay on tour but they would Rem would end up providing like shoes and clothes to these guys because they wanted them to be equipped and ready for the things that like. They didn't realize they needed to have on term. So they're like big brother and big brother ringing but not like big brother building. O- older brother ring it like. Hey Big Brother Arberg brother. Yeah we're GONNA take care of you. Yeah here's my wings. Get under it. Yeah they totally took these guys under their wing. It was really nice. That's sweet yeah. They're good guys. The guys still weren't managing real mainstream success. Still not cracking into any top forty charts and this was beginning to frustrate. Irs records. I mean even as well as rem but the band like they weren't GonNa what this stop them. They decided if they were to gain notoriety. It was going to be on their terms. Okay quite frankly this mode of thinking worked in. Rem's fever the garnered the respect of critics and their peers. And sometimes you just gotTa wait for good things and that waiting can pay off In nineteen eighty eight. They released the fifth album document which was their first album to not only have a hit single but also to go platinum. Oh I know what this single is does. This one goes out to the one I love. It is e the One I love has seen many confusing it for love song because of its chorus it is not a love song is not a love song. Have you listened through the versus? Nothing could be further from the truth. The song starts with a simple prop to occupy my time. It's clearly the song about using people over and over again to fill a whole. Yeah Phil but like literally. Yeah I mean yes and emotional whole but also like that whole the song peaked at number nine in the charts in his a well-known rem standard. I always like a song. They just has like yelling for a chorus a good impression. Yes yeah actually do. I never really paid attention to lyrics researching the episode house like. Oh this is a really dark fucked up saw. It is definitely just a person's like I'm never going to be in love with someone. I'm just GONNA keep bouncing from person to person. Yeah it's just kind of a fucked up thing maybe therapist. I don't know we get it looked at. I don't know the other song you probably recognize from this album is. It's the end of the world as we know it. I feel fine yeah. Lyrics reflect almost stream of consciousness floating from Michael Stipe Sprain. There are many references to gentlemen with the initials. Lb Lenny Bruce Leonard Bernstein Leonard Bernstein. Yeah that's the only part that any of us can ever get. Yeah Michael said. He had a dream where he was at a party and he was surrounded by famous people with those initials so the song developed from that. Yeah so this Ogden. Do quite as well as the one. I love but still managed to fall into most people's songs by Rem that. I know it's timeless. It is timeless and yet despite how well they are doing in the. Us At this point are was still not seeing international numbers like they really were expecting to and that was due in large part to Rs. Not distributing the album's globally. Why not well? Their distributor wasn't like irs just an Indie label to distribute through another label right. And they weren't doing their due diligence to get it around. It was like a chain of Bullshit but also the IRS is a US agency. So we'RE NOT GONNA THEY'RE NOT GONNA go out of the United States so I mean. What are you guys expect? It's called the Internal Revenue Service for a reason and other great need for your record and I. It's terrible after the release of this latest album. They let their contract expire and then they went on to sign with Warner Brothers again. Money took a back seat to the ability to have creative freedom. No good they. They have their scruples. In order. Over we spooky Spooky Kinda scribbles and auto. They know they did it again. Ripples in order only sheds looks records walks we wackos all we cow. Oh my wow hard really. Elmer flooding this episode. Fun this episode right out for Elmer funding through this episode role. Hard real hard. Fortunately this was the right move because they saw even more commercial success with with their next album green and even more hit singles to come out and get this album to also hit platinum status at this point the boys in Rem had gotten pretty open about approaching political topics using their platforms. As a way to speak out against unjust. Things are happening in our world. Many lyrics have attacked years living under Reagan McCarthyism and just like a whole slew of bullshit out with orange. Crushes no not a reference to the thirst quenching soft drink? Let's be honest. It doesn't researcher quenches Earth's anyway doesn't thirst my quench either your question quench your thirst but actually it's about the Vietnam War and the use of Agent Orange. Right Michael was a military Brat. He lived on bases in lives. Through the time of that war he heard many horror stories from the men that came back. He wrote the song for the soldiers who came back to a country that was unjustly blaming them for the war was his dad in Vietnam. Yes he was A. I believe at like a helicopter pilot. Shit mistaken so. I mean Michael has first hand accounts from people out what was going down. I wouldn't want to be a helicopter pilot talking on more. I'm fairly certain that's what he did. If I am wrong. Feel free to correct me there. Honestly any part you had to play you go in Vietnam and all just really wasn't especially a part in a helicopter see did a lot of their bombings allow their shootings lie. Orange spread and spreading agent orange in helicopters. So it's gotta be a Shitty job. Yeah what did even better was their single stand. Another socially conscious tune for the masses in it. There's an underlying message about being aware of the area that you live in taking care of it watching for your neighbors even something simple like cleaning up litter or taking the time to notice things you might not have without looking at it. You know going through this episode and re you reminded me of all of their singles. Right reminds me of how much get their song stuck in my head for no good reason. They're just in their place where you live now. Yeah Yep this just POPs into my head if I'm just standing around. I got this theme song to his show on Fox was get a life or something called the very short lived. I I've read that I've read that like thirty times. You know if I'm just standing around and I think wall I'm standing around if I think I'm just standing around that immediately. Stand in the place where you like. Fuck sucking my head. Yup Yup come the hell but it's not bad like I'm okay with it. Oh Yeah No. They're great songs. But Yeah I totally get stuck in my head to the tune. Itself was almost a bit of a Piss. Take on the sixties. Pop groups like the banana splits in the Monkey. It kind of sounds like that. This is just a simple riff that takes the last couple rounds of the chorus and makes them one whole step higher than the last which apparently is called a truck drivers gearchange. Why didn't I know that I have never heard of that before? The Internet says it's a thing that wall of the Internet says. It is true but nothing would prepare the ban for the success that they would see on their next album out of time. Oh boy released in nineteen ninety in like do you guys would like. I Dunno about these songs. Let me tell you WanNa fuck another you song by this point. Rem wasn't just experimenting with politically charged lyrics but also new instruments strings and Mandolin Saxophone. Loops echoes just. They were like. Let's see if the road at the wall and see what sticks. If there was a button they were gonNA push it exactly. All of this culminates in the band's best known single losing my religion a song that has nothing to do with questions theology. But it's actually song about unrequited love. Boy were they asked about religion after this though. Oh yeah because it's like the early nineties. I'm sorry are you talking about this? Oh Clutch my pearls. In the south to say or quote losing your religion means. You're losing your patience in getting frustrated. Oh Yup this song is about being in love with someone and not knowing how they feel about you throughout. The song is trying to express his love for this person but is not sure how to read their responses and it slowly driving him mad. Oh Yeah and never league even thought about it. But it's yeah like that's me in the corner that's means the spotlight like. Oh No. I've said too much it's like. Oh Yeah Yeah. He's just like it's like that time when you're like you're into somebody and you're like thinks they're into me and like you take those little love kernels that they might be giving union but you're not sure but you can also like twist them around and and try to find the message secret message. There mayor very well may not be. Yeah the haunting Mandolin throughout the song as a result of Peter. Buying a Mandolin and trying to teach himself to play just like all right. This sounds cool so record myself all I do it. Yeah and it worked out. Great Mike Speiss Line is inspired by the work of fleetwood. Mac's John mcvie Which you can only fire because as I have been listening to the song automatic I WANNA learn the base to the seven trying to teach myself and it's John mcvie in this song actually a lot of Mike Mills songs. It's like they are. They look like they're easy. Oh but they're in there because it's because it makes sense it makes so much sense but technically that's where the complication comes in. Yeah like you look at them and you listen to it in your this makes sense. I get it but like the technical aspect is very. That's where that's where the real genius for these guys comes in. Also that's where the fuck ups happen high drama. Can I take these notes out and just play like the same like order? Note every I'm going to do this. This fine. All came together to make this their highest charting hit reaching number four on billboard another hit single office album and in fact the last one to reach the top ten for them is Shiny Happy People. God Fluff Song for kids that they just wrote on a whim. If Features Kate Pearson from the B Fifty. Two's on backup vocals. My Love right however yeah I wanna if this song had a face punch it well honestly. Rem Kinda hates the song too good they should just gonNa said something along the lines of if there were to be a song shot into space to represent rem. We really hope. This wouldn't no not this one please. No and not them know and even even on space ghost they admitted. Michael there is a classic Space Ghost episode where he has Michael Stipe pod and he's like Khan sing that Song Shiny Shiny people hate that space ghost. Yeah me too. I feel you space even space. Go say me accept me. Of course you'd like I bet Brackley BRAC probably fucking loves it but What's his fucking as or AC Zodiac fucking hates. Us Out of time was massive. Hit for the band it hit number one in the billboard charts and won three grammys. It is also known as one of the most politically significant albums of all time and this was because they had a petition included in the CD. Packaging buyers were encouraged to fill out and mail in two commits Congress to vote for the motor voter. Act of one thousand. Nine hundred nineteen ninety-three the motor-voter acts. It was called something else. But motor-voter accented way core consumers answered the Columbine One thousand nine hundred five Bill Clinton passed the bill and basically the motor voter act was people could register for the like to vote. I had the DMV. Oh that's when they decided like when you like when. Teenagers apply for their For their licenses they can apply to vote like if they're eighteen or older. Okay so that's when it started being included because that because I never understood why you could register to vote while you're at the DMV like what and that's when they did it because they figured that would be a very convenient time. Rem was very much into the rock. The vote movement was actually something. Mtv tried really hard. And I have to commend. Mtv for their nineties like real movement that they have happened with rock. The vote. Because nobody was fucking voting. Yeah and Michael. Stipe would do a lot of. Psa's like this one. He did some for just like the pollution of the earth and like hey can you fucking not. Even Dave mysterious pain went out and talk to people for rock the vote. Yeah he did a lot of ship for MTV for Roxborough and he did it for the Democratic side which is hilarious because he's not a Democrat anymore. I don't know what is he's some. He's Joe Exotic. You voted for own views on things. I'm going to vote for him. Care fucking best skin. That bitch killed her husband and we her next record. Oh my God but if they did write a song I would be. If megabits entire album about tiger king I would buy it like yeah easily. I'm here for. They're the only ones only megadeath can do an album on Joe Exotic and do it justice and do so right so at this point. Rem was over the touring life. They decided instead of burning themselves out with more time on the road. Getting back into the studio was a better idea and so it was only a year later. They released their eighth studio album automatic for the people. Wow that was their eighth album. Right crazy yeah. Initially the band set out to make a harder rock album than the last but all of that kind of fell through with songs such as Dr Knight Swimming and everybody hurts. Who Does night? Swimming is probably my favorite. Rem Song though it's just so pretty. It's a really good about singing. It's swimming naked at night. And you're like I hope nobody catches me swimming naked. The only time they're actually literal about like a pretty song. Yeah it is actually real quick. That song was apparently about a night. Watchman who like they had hired to Watch their studios or something and he would call. Michael Stipe in the middle of the night with a conspiracy theories and Michael Stipe. WanNa write a song about tennis reader. Did they hire Dennis Rader? Probably did I think it was done as far as everybody hurts. That was written by Michael Direct message to teenagers. That yeah life socks but you have to hold on and unlike. Rem's other songs. They felt being direct would work best for the subject. Yeah Care Right. But the really sad flip side to the song. Is that a year after its release. Michael see the death of his really good friend. Kurt Cobaine from suicide. Yep He was working with Kurt on a project or they were actually in talks. I think about doing something together. Yeah outside of Nirvana outside of rem and there was just becoming really good for our. Yeah they were. Just hang out and talk museum bullshit and politics and Shit. Yep Oh yeah. No Courtney love talks all about it. In behind the music for rem only. I'm sure she fucking does fuck off Courtney. I think that was during one of her rare. Sober like eras. 'cause she didn't seem like a hot mess but you know what they're trying to get attention. But you know what Courtney is one of those people were. It doesn't matter if she's higher not she could be completely sober. She's still going to tell lies. Oh Yeah and say anything. She can to get attention. Because that's she fucking want it's like she's a sociopath or something it's like she's Yeah. I mean diagnosed or not she is. She's a fucking sociopath a more upbeat track from the album is man on the moon. Oh yeah which we drink. It also has a tight occurred to. You'll notice. There's a ridiculous amount of the song that's because Michael teased his friend about using so many as in his songs so he wanted to outdo him the entire course of lithium is Seattle's yeah actually though man on the moon might still have more yeahs. Maybe yeah that's what I wanted. The song is a bit of an Ode to Andy Kaufman but also to conspiracy theories in general out there. Things in life can't really be explained but initially the song had no lyrics and Michael didn't think there should have been any but his bandmates had begged him for so long to write some than at the last minute finally inspiration struck him. Yeah he's thought it'd be a better instrumental. And it was the title of the Andy Kaufman. Movie which Courtney Love was in Dun Dun Dun conspiracy theories yeah yeah automatic for the people didn't hit the exact same spot as his predecessor but it was still held in high regard and really is some of Rem's best work and fun fact. The string arrangements were aided by Zeppelin. Bassist John Paul Jones. Oh that's pretty cool right. One of the few good members really Jimmy Page. It's real dodgy right yeah Jimmy Page's dodgy. I haven't heard anything really about Robert Plant. But that doesn't mean anything that's true so. I don't know we'll find out someday. I'm sure we'll find out something. Despite the fact that touring wasn't currently on the table they were still putting out music. Like Madman Putt. This didn't stop the rumor mill by any means by the early nineties. Speculation was that Michael was gay. Oh how dare imaginary pearls and not just was he gay but that he had contracted HIV and was dying. And that's why they weren't torn on my God shut up in his early nineties. This was like the spicy hot topic at the time spacey AIDS Spicy. No no no. He knew he had to come out and say something to feed the media beast so he claimed as far as he knew he didn't have HIV. He was just always skinny and they just wanted to work on new music. In lieu of turing. I don't understand how the media got a hold of this kind of rumor. Well you get one person who hadn't experienced and then they talk and then they talk and then their friends talk and then it slowly works. Its way up because like tap lights loving him and people are garbage. Garbage mostly garbage. Yeah Okay but here's the thing for the record. Michael is not gay. He identifies as queer. Oh he has been with many men but he actually also had a relationship with women including Natalie. Martinelli merchant back in the second a softball relationship does not. She's another lady that lives in my hometown. Area oh she seems Nice Yeah. She seems let. I have not heard anything bad about her. So right good good good. He's had relationships with both but doesn't even really believe he's by. He prefers queer because it refers to a total gray area and he stays pretty private about it so as far as anyone's concerned and queer do want go. Fuck yourself good for him. Yeah honestly and like who gives a shit who is phoning yeah? He did admit later on in life to being afraid for a time that he did have HIV. But this was back when you couldn't really test easily for it. Yeah and like he he did. He was a big advocate to for HIV testing and Norton. Like making it more acceptable to talk about. And that's when I think that's when some of the river started to because he was wearing a hat said like end HIV and AIDS or something and there was a key must be gay and heavy clearly. All the pieces fit together. Isn't it kind of funny now? How you can just go to a doctor and say I want to be tested for AIDS. And they're like oh no big deal no big when you're a woman and you go to get your like annual and they're like hey. We're you just want us to like just kind of check you for everything you have to go to planned parenthood for pretty much anything. They're like may you want us to test you for this? You can say all right and they'll be like okay cool. It's great no problems. What a time to be alive. So after all that it made sense that they would decidedly tore again after the release of their nineteen ninety. Four album monster. This was a bit of a return to rock for them and I would say it. Kinda completes this Trifecta of their peak success You know you have out of time automatic for the People Monster. Yes three or lake. That's what everybody knows. Rem for what year was that ninety? Four okay. This album sees their last top ten hits. What's the frequency Kenneth and Bang and blame? The album reached number one in the charts and the accompanying tour was. Alight with hype. Unfortunately a lot of things went wrong. I remember what's the frequency Kenneth because the video had a lot of bright colors. Oh and I'm pretty sure that it came out around the same time as I'm only happy when it rains by garbage. Oh maybe I think I always associate the two I'm only happy when it rains. Might have been a little bit earlier but I always associate the two because they had various similar like bright colors and their videos and that was very typical of like nineties music videos. Yeah right now these alternative. Yeah Oh yeah and also really fucking wanted. Shirley Manson's boots eventually. I would have throughout my lifetime about twenty pairs of them. So you did it. I did it twenty nine over. Oh my God go find like eleven year old Ashley Girl. We did it. We fucking pretty sure the first ones I got. Were from daleas out of the mail order catalogue because that was owned well before. They had a brick and mortar stores off which were never as good as their catalog. Catalog was amazing. Have Morally was so good so many clothes I got from that shit the fuck was they talking. Okay right. The tour started in January nineteen ninety-five and it won't be long after that. Rem deals with the first of many hiccups. This one being the scariest who on March first in the middle of show. Bill begins to suffer a blind painful headache. Oh soon after he collapses in his rush to hospital they discover. He was suffering an aneurysm and they had to operate immediately. It took about a month for him to recover but instead of continuing on with a session drummer. The guys just waited for him to recover before they went on to the next leg. Well that's nice. Yeah they were like. We're not gonNA fucking leave you here in a hospital. In Sweden and just chilling touring. That's garbage. I mean granted if I'm left in a hospital somewhere I would want it to be in Sweden. Oh they definitely made some digs. We're like we we're in Sweden. We're at least the best healthcare the best doctors in the bestest damning shade literally the nicest people yeah seriously. Several months later Mike was experiencing intense abdominal pain and discovered an intestinal scar that needed to be removed and so they took a little time for that as well as yeah only a month later. Michael ended up having emergency surgery to repair a hernia. Good Lord it's just kept coming. Good Lord guys yeah. They were really unhealthy that year. It sleep we're doing great all the while on top of all of this. They were working on songs for their next record and a year after all these injuries were finally over their release their next album new adventures in hi fi it did well reaching number one platinum status all that jazz but this album didn't see any hot singles the way the previous previous ones did what is cool. Though is Patti Smith came onto guest on the track. Ibo the letter Shit Yeah. She was actually a big influence for them so they were pre pump to have her. I'd be too. Yeah I mean most people would. Let's be honest but after the release this record one of the members would make a decision that would change. Rem for good. Bill decided that he was leaving the band. After the aneurysm in nearly two decades working on music he felt it was time for him to put the drumsticks away for something new. He'd always wanted to live a simple life specifically he wanted half a farm. He spent months debating if this was the right choice when you finally decided on it and told the band. He went to them with one stipulation. He told them he would not quit. If it meant the band with split up he wanted them to stay together and make music even though he wasn't there anymore is fucking people. He may have eyebrows. But but while but the Har- on this is bigger than his eyebrows that hey guys I want. I really want this form. But if it's going to be used to it. Yeah I mean if you guys aren't going to keep doing music I'll just keep playing. It's fine to put a really wound for it's horrid shooting and the guys like which is like but we really don't want you leave but also like we don't want to force you to stay here if you don't want to hear so it took some long talks but Michael. Peter and Mike agreed to go on as a trio with bills blessing. Not all right. He'll just months to lead simple. He just wants to recent cows honestly he just wants to have meat yard to change his last name to meet yard. You should have except like anyone bill berry with a beautiful ration- but I like bill meet Yard Yard. Excuse me it's William Meet Yard to you. It's William Meet Yard to you. However not so heartwarming. There was another og departure They also depart ways that their manager Jefferson. The Guy who did not manage the record store. Oh he didn't manage records tools. Oh well they had to get rid of them. Though after sexual harassment charges came up against him. And don't tolerate that Shit. Yeah 'cause rem are upstanding fucking citizens like a gal like this piece of Shit. I don't know if I could have fun and hang out with them but they are genuinely could human beings. We could have a good time. However I don't think they would drink. I would just say I only wondering if they hated me. Yeah because you can't I feel like they would all be very difficult to read. Yes state. I'll be very nice. Yes but you have no idea what they're thinking. Oh that's saying. Yeah that'd be difficult right. I don't know if we can party with rem where we have a lovely conversation. Oh Yeah we can be like superfund neighbors almost other stories when they tell them like other some beer involved so maybe they're just the beer band bud. Light beer band. Alliteration continuing without bill was not easy like I mentioned before their creation process is very democratic. And everyone gets a say so for one contributor to go missing that turned everything on its head a little by nineteen ninety-eight. The guys were ready and back in the studio this time working session drummers in bill stead overall the creation of their next record up was difficult and almost made the rest of the band split up they just they were still grieving their their drummer's absence and didn't know how to deal with it. The final product was a little less rock and actually a little more electronic influenced and I mean it made sense because it was the late nineties in rock was dead. Yeah Electric Everything. If performed fine but overall the days of orients seeing the success of a single like the ones that came before we're done yeah. Critics enjoyed it and it did peak at high points on the Charts. But he just didn't have the staying power that the other ones did the rem trio was still putting out new material for the masses at the turn of the century and two thousand six on the very first try. They were eligible. They were inducted into the rock and Roll Hall. Fame came back to perform some of the songs. Well that's nice very nice and I'll be honest. The two thousands didn't see much excitement for the band. No I don't recall hearing anything from them you didn't. I mean they were still releasing music but things had hit a point where it just wasn't what people were listening to really. They went back to being a cult. Hit but yeah on September Twenty First. Two thousand eleven are young announced. They were quote calling it. A day is a band calling in today and I think saying break up would not be totally accurate. It's more of a retirement. There were still working in music in some capacity but as the outfit Rem they were done. Yeah yeah together for three decades but the real height of their career was about ten years throughout eight ninety eight And honestly that's more than a lot of musicians get. They stuffed a lot of singles into that small amount of time. Seriously you can't deny the impact that rem has had not just on rock music but on all of music these guys have inspired an array of groups from radiohead to sonic youth to cold play and manage to keep Art Rock Alive in the nineties when grunge read Supreme Yes. They had their biggest hits during grunge. Yeah they did and I would not at all campuses grunge. I feel like if we didn't have rem we wouldn't have bands like weezer or anything like them. You wouldn't have anything like the strokes. I feel I now. They really run the gamut of rock or anything. That's like hipster music or Indie rock or ANYTHING OFFICE SADDLE CREEK. You Have Indie Rock Saddle Creek. Bright Eyes Rilo Kiley. They wouldn't exist without rem so seriously. I completely agree with that. You know their music happened in tandem with the GRUNGE MOVEMENT. Not In spite of it you know it stood on its own and their friendship with bands like nirvana proof. That I mean like an Eddie. Vetter inducted into the hall of fame because he loved and respected them so much and they were all together on the same time they weren't like. Oh Fuck these all rock guys which honestly grunge kind of Said Fuck you to a lot of other types of music but rem never fell into that. Fuck you category. They always appreciated what they were doing. Yeah and use them as an influence to the they were once declared America's best rock and roll band did still has some truth to it. Though songs have stood the test of time and will continue to inspire many musicians to come mean how many musicians now coming out. I'm sure of heard losing my religion. We're like Holy Shit. I WANNA be a musician. Or how many musicians that are around now or were around in the nineties and two thousands. That didn't even know that they were being influenced by REM. Yeah I bet. There's a whole lot of them that didn't even realize. Rem had such a huge impact on their music. Sure yeah they. They are incredibly influential band. And I really respect and appreciate like they're not my favorite band but go going through their discography. I discovered some stuff that I was like. Oh this is actually really good. I think they're the dark horse rock. Yeah like I just think that. They are a huge influence. I don't think anybody realizes how much of an influence that they are because they were just under the radar this whole time. Yeah and yeah. They had a lot of big hits but they weren't. I don't know how did they weren't allowed about it. They weren't running around timberlake. We're the best rock band because like that excess in the eighties and nineties very rampant in all band. They weren't a hairband about it right. You know they were in your face and constantly trying to get your attention. They're like here's our stuff. If you like it you know we really hope you do. Okay bye and I know like bands like Pearl. Jam Nirvana weren't like that either. But the media just for some reason just latched on the grunge prop that Shit. Right up so yeah. Rem was a total darkhorse especially in the nineties. Yeah and they were always there and I think that they were very much. The solid foundation of Nineties alternative that the late ninety s saw. Oh Yeah so like better than Ezra and Weezer and all of those hake and all of those bands would never have existed without the foundation that they lay down in the late eighties and early nineties and especially all the experimentation that rem would do just from the Gecko for a band that was like We're not going to do it every also doing yet. Like we can have keyboards and synthesizers and shit. So we're going to do that but what's interesting too is they weren't on. It wasn't an uncomfortable. Sound like you know some of the bands that come through and say we're going to have a different sound people like Whoa Whoa. It's jarring yes. Sometimes and with rem it was no it just made sense slipped in there perfectly. They had very logical progression. Yeah to their music. Yeah I I never realized how much I really appreciated the band until now and their sons a row fucking good some good shit people that I mean. I don't know if I'm going to go out and listen to a full. Ram Album ones. That I haven't listened to before but their singles are definitely ones that I would go to over and over again because they're going and playlist. Yeah absolutely Oria. Yeah no definitely like I found a bunch of songs. There's I liked starts throwing them on like my legs list there. Yeah that's good. Yeah that's the story of R E M That's nice yeah like this is just a nice little comfy little story. Yeah two weeks in a row we just got no heroin and Nice Happy Shiny. Happy People Holding Hands. Yeah Yeah I could see. Rem Holding hall notes. His hands on. Yeah there you go adorable. This is my fan girl dream. Now there you go But yeah next week is not going to be at least. There's not going to be here when so we're going on two weeks without heroics heroin incident. Maybe three will next week. We'll be heroin. No heroin no heroin next week. However it's a fucking story that I have a fucking story after that so yeah anyway. Thanks for listening. You didn't listen to the whole thing. 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Introducing How to Save a Planet

StartUp Podcast

11:54 min | 5 months ago

Introducing How to Save a Planet

"Hey Startup listeners Alex Bloomberg here. Do Remember me I used to regularly in this feed. I've been gone for a while and there's a reason I've been working on something new new podcast which I am finally ready to share with the world. It's called how to save a planet and it's about what we as a species needs to do to address the climate crisis, and since you're listening to podcast I've made in the past I figured you might be interested in this new one as well. And this new podcast, it's really personal to me. Maybe one of the most exciting things I've ever worked on and I wanted to share this intro episode with you which lays out what this podcast is and why we hope people might actually want to listen to it. So, here you go have a lesson. How screwed are we? How screwed are we? saw, how screwed are we? House Gudar we. Elizabeth, Johnson and when people find out I'm climate expert. This is their question. I don't get that question my name's Alex Bloomberg I make podcast for a living but I asked a lot when it comes to the climate turns out I'm not alone in wondering how screwed Ari most Americans fact are concerned for alarmed about climate change and that number is growing, which is consistent with our findings i. As a scientist, I feel a need to admit to you that we don't have actual findings. We didn't conduct an official survey, but we did both tweet an ask people to call in and tell us whether they were freaked out about climate change. We got a lot of calls from. Oliver. Hi, my name is block calling from southern California from. Madison. Wisconsin. Murio style. College we're freaked out about things that were happening right now and things that might happen in the future I on a house on a cliff and since I was a kid with lost about. Twenty five thirty feet of the cliff. So I'd say about five. Less than ten years, the House is going to be you know falling into motion. We live in. Phoenix get our water through a series of two hundred mile canals drag Colorado river water across the desert. and. Sustainable. You know hopefully alluded to see the year twenty seventy. But, current estimates. Showed that by that time drought fire was be so widespread that billions of people will be quite refugees. Can. Go Metal Strolls in. Trying to recycle when I can and I don't eat meat or fish but I mean realistically walking a Palestinian actually do. To Stop the US from bursting into flame. Just feels a bit tricky. When I heard that some Asian at all just feels a bit really. I was just like that. Is. Exactly. That is the feeling that it feels so big and massive in scary especially in the face of like all this inaction from the people who should be doing something we have on our hands, the mother of all collective action problems and what do you do about a problem like that problem about science and politics and business and food and solar panels and ecosystems, and global governance and plastics, and we should probably introduce ourselves Oh yes. Yeah I'm Alex Bloomberg I've been a radio journalist and posted lots of podcast actually started a podcasting company. Perhaps. Have outside faith in the power podcasts. I am Dr John Elizabeth Johnson I'm a Marine Biologist Anna Policy Nerd I'm completely obsessed with climate solutions. So yeah is the expert on podcasts would be the expert on climate in this studio so those seem We need to make climate podcast. Yeah. Exactly and as a first step we figured we'd call back some of the people who called us since. Those are the kinds of people were making this podcast for in the first place, and we got a hold of this one guy, the it all feels a bit Guy Adam. Is Adam. That high it's it's Alex Bloomberg calling. Hi How are you? I'm good. I'm here with my partner in Crime Dr Anna Johnson. Hi. I just wanted to Sorta like learn more about you and how you arrived at at at this emotional place. Maybe we could start with an easier. Oh that was. Bramble. Dick when you called in had you told those things that you told us you told those things to other people I the number without really knowing what I was gonNA. Say and I think I just started talking and then we'll sort of pulled out of me. I mean. Okay I'm sitting anything. You know a salad and at the same time Australia on fire and California's on fire And so Because I feel like this is wildly out of my control. I'm spending a lot of my mental energy trying to stifle the part of my brain that wants to run around screaming because it will this. This feeling of like. Anxiety and powerlessness in the face of the magnitude of the problem it's the reason that we. Wanted to start this podcast in the first place. Because I. Think. It can take the feeling that you are having. And that I think a lot of people are having and provide a place where we can all come together with that feeling and then and then out to do that and yeah, and well, what do you think about that theory anyway I think that's an excellent theory I feel like I would rather live in a world with that person without us. All, right can we quote you on that and will you? Wherever, you get your especially on spotify. So we had a focus group of one. Yes. We have a really thorough assessment of the landscape of potential listeners studied the market by talking to Adam yes only and the market gave us a resounding. Yes. Sure. So we're doing it. So what happens on his podcast Alex so the podcast is going to answer the following question. What do we as human beings need to do to address climate crisis and how do we make those things happen? We're going to be answering that question on this podcast every week from now until. Until the job is done job is done and. I'm just sitting here thinking about how you and I have just somehow ended up in a long term relationship. It had to occur to you sooner or later. I'm trapped and I. WanNa. Better. Treat up. So to answer this question of what we need to do and how we get it done. We're GONNA talk to lots of people. We'll talk to experts about solutions that are happening right now we're at the beginning of this huge boom of offshore wind the united. States and we're going to see hundreds thousands of Washer turbines deployed off the Atlantic seaboard. Over the next decade, it's going to happen. We'll explore radical ideas for how we can get way more people to care about climate change nothing will be off the table. Can you imagine if the rock remade an inconvenient truth? Right. I would totally watch that the amazing. We won't shy away from risky reporting and crawl out. Casting is like. Sport. And we'll follow that reporting wherever it takes us even out to sea. So what are we looking at? So this is a wallet. Kelp. So this is stem held the stipe if you've ever tasted A. Stipe before. Oh That's a really good. Yeah, I. Mean This is why we like cup. It's a gateway drug to unseat weeding seaweed, and while this is not going to be the kind of podcast where we tell you five tips that you can do to reduce your carbon footprint because let's be real it's going to take way more than that. We will occasionally make recommendations please let your attic if you haven't one of the best things you can do. For the love of God. It's We'll talk to people working on climate solutions who never imagined themselves during that kind of work I remember being called a environmentalist like in two thousand and six, and I was like I'm not an environmentalist. That was like a dirty word down here by the way. I'm not an environmentalist. I'm GonNa buy you girl you know and they're like well, you want us to do something about the and I'm like everybody around here wants you to do something about the trees were not environmentalists we just love trees. Tree hugger I'm just a tree hugger. Just. Three We'll look at this massive transformation before us and we'll imagine what that transformation will feel like if we get it right the move away from fossil fuels is not going to be impossible. It's not going to turn the lights off I want to show that the move to a zero carbon future is not just possible, but it's better and I'm I'm ready for it and we're not going to shy away from the question we're all wondering. Dr Kate Marvel how screwed are we? We have a choice we can choose to be completely screwed if we want to. But we also have the ability to limit the damage. We cannot prevent climate change. It's already here it's already hurting people. But our choices especially in this next decade, really really matter. So we can choose whether we're screwed, and so I'm on team. Let's not screw ourselves with that has the goal. What are the top three things that we as a species should be focusing on right now stop putting carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and take it out. To things she only needs. I. Mean I don't I don't want to minimize the scale of that undertaking. But from a physical perspective, we know exactly what is heating up the planet. So because we know exactly what is causing the planet to hit up we also know. How To stop that. So there we have an. Incredibly simple and one of the hardest things we've ever had to do is a species. And on this podcast over the next weeks and months and years we are going to be figuring out how do we do this incredibly simple yet incredibly hard thing. So, join us as we try to figure it all out because the one thing we know for sure is that if we're trying to figure it out together, it's GonNa feel a lot better than just worrying about it alone. How to save a planet from. Gamma. Goes. Live. On August twentieth with me Alex Bloomberg and me I Anna. Elizabeth Johnson follow it. Listen for free on spotify. We have new episodes dropping every week because earthlings we've got work to do.

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BiggerPockets Money Podcast 68: Hacking Your Military Benefits to Become Financially Free With J Grayson

BiggerPockets

1:22:06 hr | 1 year ago

BiggerPockets Money Podcast 68: Hacking Your Military Benefits to Become Financially Free With J Grayson

"Welcome to the bigger pockets money podcast show, number sixty eight with Jay Grayson from fed on fire dot com. So in total I'm getting paid over twenty five thousand dollars, plus my paycheck, plus free lodging for the whole year. So I'm she, and I are just living off of at TDY money that twenty five thousand dollars keeping our expenses under that which is what we try to maintain. Anyway, if time for a new American dream one that doesn't involve work in a cubicle for forty years barely scraping by whether you're looking to get your financial house. In order Beth the money already have or discovering new paths for wealth creation your in the right place. This show is for anyone who have money or wants more this the bigger pockets money podcast has gone everybody. I'm Scott trenched. I'm here with my co host miss Mindy. Jensen Hayden today. Mindy? Scott. I am doing fantastic. How are you today? Oh life is good. I'm very excited for J today. I am so excited for Jay. We have had a couple of military guests on this show and on the bigger Puckett's real estate podcast. But this show today is for anybody who is currently in the military who is recently out of the military. Anybody who's considering going into the military anybody who wants to learn about house hacking GIO arbitrage per diem hacking, if you have a job where you travel, even if you're not in the government or in the military. Oh, it's also for government employees. I mean, this is okay. This show is for anybody who has ears or is who want to read. Let's see who else. Does this for anybody who wants money who has money or wants to have more? This is such an amazing show. Jay, blew my mind with all of these little tips that he has. And it's not going to not every situation is gonna play to every person listening. But I think any. Listening can get something out of this show today. Yeah. He didn't have the greatest start. 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That's C L E A R M E dot com slash BP money and use the code b p money for your free two months of clear. Okay. Huge. Thanks to the sponsor of today's show. Jay, Grayson, welcome to the bigger pockets money podcast. How are you today? I am excellent. These spring is finally here on the east coast, the weather is warming up. So I'm very very grateful for that. How are you guys today? I'm doing great. It's getting warmer here too. It's supposed to be in the fifties today, which is quite delightful. Excellent. Excellent. So jail. Why don't you start walking through where your journey was money begins? So I I grew up in a small farm town in the rural south my dad is a small. Town farmer. So we grew up in a low income family fairly poor. My dad went bankrupt in the eighties due to the farming crisis. A glut of supply crop prices were falling rapidly. So filed for bankruptcy. We didn't have a whole lot of money and then into the nineties. I never knew we were low income because I, you know, my parents always made sure the food on the table, lots of spaghetti and cheese, toast and things like that. But we always felt like we were. Okay. We never felt like we were poor low income. My parents did a good job taking care of his and then in the nineties, I have two siblings. And my oldest sister was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer in the nineties. So that was obviously very emotional hard hit to the family, but also financially so didn't come from great upbringing of money. My parents, and my grandparents were very much kind of that post depression, you know, put your money under the match. I didn't know anything about really investing. You'd if you know anything about farming, a farmer's livelihood is his land. And so investing in stocks bonds anything like that was really nonexistent. We didn't get that education growing up. But so after my sister passed in the late nineties, I fell on hard times my sister, and I both with a lot of hardship kind of fragmented family, I got into drinking and drugs and was just really going down a really dark past in my high school years. So I decided to make a drastic change in. So I joined the military when I turn eighteen and left just before my high school graduation, I did graduate. And so did that for for an unlisted. I was in for five years. I got out of the military made a lot of poor financial choices in the military. Because again, I didn't have a lot of money growing up just working on the farm a little bit of money here and there so by the time, I left the military and went to college. I graduated with college. I had over thirty thousand dollars worth of debt a little bit of student loan debt. Most of it was paid for by the GI Bill, which is for veterans to help with education costs begin. So I had over thirty thousand dollars in debt, I decided to get back in the government work. I took a job making load mid thirty thousand so not a lot of money, but I was living paycheck to paycheck at that point was in way, too inexpensive of apartment I had some money again. So I was feeling good about it. And about that time. This was two thousand fourteen and that's when I discovered financial independence will was a quick step back into your time in the military. What were some of those you mentioned that you've made some poor financial decisions in that time period. What were some of those decisions that you kind of come to mind? So absolutely one probably one of the biggest one while. I was in the military was I was really into. Cars sports cars at that. And I'm sure you're well aware, you don't make a ton of money being enlisted member in the military, especially those first few years when you're, you know, very low ranking, but still I was using that money to to purchase vehicles at one point. I think I had five vehicles. I had nail Camino actually had to Honda s two thousands. Because you know, it's it's necessary to have one for your burger. And second or your weekend driver. You know that you keep pristine and that seemed like a a good financial decision at the time. So that was probably my biggest money mistake, financially, not contributing enough to my government sponsor, four one K. The it's called the T S P at the time when I was enlisted they put everything in what's called the g fund automatically when you enter the military, which is just government bonds. So all those years before the financial crisis wear that or folio head. I made known about investing or known anything about stocks. I could have adjusted that in probably made a lot more money. So yeah, just not not investing my money properly buying depreciating assets such as cars, so. Yeah, that was probably my biggest mistake there. Were you living in government housing or were you living off base? So for the first three years, I was in government housing. So even though I wasn't making a lot of money when you have your housing pay for and your meals paid for you have a little bit left. But I was I was blowing all that on mills out and cars and things of that nature so meals out the government gives you tipped be fun toasted what else did they what do they call that? But when you know when you're nineteen year old marine, and you want double cheeseburgers from McDonald's, you go in and buy that or go by steak or whatever else because the channel halls just it's not good enough. Yeah. And that's I think that's a good point. When you're nineteen years old. You're being expected to make all these adult decisions, and you're not in that place. That's the sounds rude. You're not special in that regard. You're not the only person who's ever decided. I'm not going to eat this free food. I'm going to go and spend money because I want this. And I mean, that's just really interesting that that's where your mindset was at the time. And I think that also goes back to, you know, not coming from a stable financial upbringing in having that wherewithal to say, hey, look, these mills are free because once I joined the military and had my own, you know, a substantial to me paycheck on sick. Well, this is my money in coming from poor backgrounds. Like, well, it's my money. I'll do what I want with it. All I'll spend it on all these things. So not having that foundation. I I definitely think put me on that trajectory that make bad poor financial decisions. Yeah. And you're not necessarily the only person that's ever done that. What year did you graduate high school in two thousand four two thousand four so this period from two thousand four dozen fourteen is it all this kind of a humiliating cars. Kind of figuring things out all kind of thing or do you kind of gradually become a little bit more adept with managing these types of things prior to that kind of fire revelation into as fourteen right? So when I exit the military they had just come up with the post nine eleven GI Bill, which is sensually instead of just having a standard Stipe in you could actually colleges participate in they'll give you what's called the yellow ribbon program. If if colleges are -ticipant in that, then they'll give you a scholarship to cover the rest of the expenses. So for me in at the time, you know, this was in two thousand nine, you know, the financial crisis hitting rock bottom in but by decided to leave my stable military job and go back to school. And so I I got my undergrad in economics. Oh, I think that's understanding. You know, it's not financed necessarily related, but economics has some some tendons of that. So I think that's where I started putting two two two together. And I started a business at that time while I was going to school which was moderately successful for the first three years, unfortunately because of the financial crisis. No one was was lending, and we were growing a little too quickly in couldn't keep up with the pace in that business ended up falling apart. And that's when I decided so that was from two thousand nine until two thousand twelve and two thousand twelve is when I decided, hey, this business just isn't isn't cutting it anymore. I graduated school in decided, hey, I'm ready for that stable paycheck again. So I joined government service on the civilian side at that point, what type of business was it and have you ever considered restarting it, it was a beer and wine delivery business. So I was in Florida at the time that's where I went to school in. So we did a lot of corporate events a lot of candidate. To Disney travelers that sort of thing. And I have thought about starting it again. Unfortunately, now, there are a lot of companies that do that sort of thing at the time it no one was doing it. But now, the the competition is, you know, in in it's not the type of business I'd like to get back into it was a lot of driving a lot of hard work. A lot of not that I'm opposed to hard work, but brick and mortar I wanna be a little more. If I do start another business to be a little more location independent. Did you leave the military with any debt? I did I had some credit card debt at that time. I ahead vehicle loans. I sold off all my vehicle's paid most of them off, but I did have some debt there. And that's when I made the wonderful bright decision to withdraw from my 4._0._1._K cash it out and use that money to pay off my debts, which was somewhat okay of a decision. And then I used some of that money also to help fund the business, which was a great learning experience. I have no regrets there. But hindsight twenty twenty not a good idea to draw money from your 4._0._1._K pretty much ever. I would agree although I have taken out loans from my 4._0._1._K to do other things with because I'm paying myself the interest instead of a Bank in you know, people will be on both sides of that. And that's fine. But did you catch the entire thing out? All the entire thing. I took the Hugh. Wjr haircut. It already shrank by forty something percent because of the financial crisis. And then had I left it in there when the market returned. It would have been great. However, that's not what I did. So. Yeah. But right, if you if you're if you're savvy enough many like you were saying, and you can leverage, you know, take a cheap loan to yourself and leverage that to make make an investment or just get a lower interest rate. If you're doing a home improvement, or I know you're you're really into flipping houses you've done live in flits quite a bit. So if you're using those UN's to gain money great, but I wasn't necessarily I paid off some debts, which is good. So that's you know in starting a business. So it wasn't super terrible. But had I known then what I know. Now, I never would have pulled. As a result of that. You know, I I heard thirty thousand dollars or so in debt earlier in the show here. Right. Did this 4._0._1._K wipe almost all of that out allow you to kind of affectively start from zero after college is that. No. So I got close to zero after separating from the military, but then my my three years in college in with the business. I took out I had a personal when I finally shut the business down. I had a personal loan. I had a small student loan debt as well. And I had credit card debt things. I was you know, things I was using to finance the business or finance. My lifestyle was living pretty frugally at the time. But I had just a small income from the business. I was putting everything back into the business in also head that when you're using the Bill you get what's called it basic allowance for housing, which is a stipend to to help your living expenses while you're going to school. So I was basically living off of that. But in the meanwhile, accumulating credit card debt and student loan debt and everything else. So I'd gone from probably ten thousand dollars in debt post military to close zero in by the time. I graduated my undergrad I was at roughly around thirty five or so thousand dollars in debt when I joined the civilian government one more thing right before we get to kind of post college starting point here. I just want to point out that the thirty thousand dollars in debt. Yeah. Cumulated here doesn't seem so bad to me. It seems like it's actually quite reasonable in the sense that you used it to it was largely in pursuing a degree and in starting a business at the same time. And yeah, you know, there's ways to avoid having to take personal liability for businesses in some cases. But you know, it seems like those were calculated risks rather than the second fancy car of the same type. We had previously. Right. So a part of that debt was a car, but it was a car that I use a very modest car that used four. For the business. So no, absolutely. Right. Right. So all in all not terrible. But still a, you know, when you're schools being paid for and you still graduate with debt, some people look at it and say, how how did you end up with debt when your college was paid for your hustle? You're trying to start a business, and I try and try and hard man trying hard. Okay. Well, let's move to after college. You have thirty thirty five thousand dollars in debt. And you are now getting a job how long did it take? What your did you graduate in how long did it take you to get a job after you graduated? So I graduated in may of two thousand twelve and I started I was still running the business up until probably the fall of two thousand twelve when I landed a job within the federal government, which I started in December of two thousand twelve so there were a few months, they are aware I had no income and again living off credit cards just to get by until starting that that new job. And I decided at that point like, okay, I wanna pay down this debt. I have more financial savvy at that time because I went to college. It was just generally better educated. But personal finance still wasn't something. I was very strong. And but I knew I wanted to pay off this debt, and that I wanted to be more financially stable, so. I wanted to make the best of the heading. I'm almost took a pay cut from military time. You know, what I was making the military to what I joined the federal service. I was making less than I wasn't military. I fill in little defeated. I'm in my late twenties at this point. And I'm going back in the workforce making thirty three thirty five thousand dollars a year. But that was okay. I was determined to make it work. So yes. So I I started that in two thousand twelve in about a year and a half later MSA early two thousand fourteen is when I stumbled across Mr. money moustache learn about financial independence in in shortly after found Brandon from med fine tests in just totally mind blown, you know. Wow. This is really possible in that started my journey into financial independence. Okay. And how did your financial position look during your first year of employment? So I I moved into. What I thought was an affordable studio apartments in downtown. This small city I was living in low cost living area. I'm moving from the city in Orlando to the city in North Carolina. It seem reasonable it was lower than what I was paying in. Orlando. However, had I done a little more research. I could have been my rent could have been much lower. So I was still doing a little bit better than paycheck to paycheck at the time. I was getting the interns of the frisk savings plan the government 4._0._1._K, I was financially wise enough at that point to at least get the the matching in diversify into stocks. So I was doing little bit better on that front, but I was mostly paycheck to paycheck outside but still investing in that. But but still paycheck to paycheck L side of that so not in a great financial position. But doing better than I was, and I I also I had consolidated some of my debts and was paying. That off. So that's when I started my debt reduction phase. And once I found out about financial independence. I threw a match on it accelerated. I'd started cutting down expenses in looking for ways to okay, how can I make more money progress? My career get a promotion in that really started, you know, in twenty fourteen I had an opportunity to move up to New England, and where the locality pay which for government workers is basically a percentage, it's basically a a cost of living not a stipend, but for Senate that they tack onto your base pay to cut it offset some of those higher cost of living areas. So in finding financial independence Mr. money moustache learning about GIO arbitrage. It was hey, you know, I can take his job. It's a promotion in New England. I'll be getting living in New Hampshire actually, southern New Hampshire. But getting the Boston locality pay. So. So that was a great way the cost of living in New Hampshire for New England is very low. Meanwhile, the locality pay for Boston is very high. So I moved into a small three hundred square foot studio apartments, not that great of a place in started exceleron being paying that debt down. How long did you work in? Did you say North Carolina? I was in North Carolina for about a year and a half. Okay. And then you moved up how did your expenses change, you got more money? But then it sounds like you've reduced your expenses while making more money. Right. So in North Carolina was paying eight hundred dollars a month. Plus, you know utilities which was high for the area was living in. But when I moved to New Hampshire, I was making quite a bit more money. Now, I I was making, you know, in the forty thousand high forties, and also I was living in a studio apartment that was also eight hundred dollars, but utilities included. So my pay had gone up. Kelly pay gone up yet my living expenses had shrank just a little bit. And that's when I decided to I was looking at the housing market there. And I decided, hey, the rent to housing is much cheaper to to buy than it is to rent in that area at the time. So I decided this was at the end of two thousand fourteen I decided to buy a house and get some roommates. I did not know what the term house hacking at the time meant, but I was house hacking, which was covering at that point. I moved out of the the apartment into the house head roommates that were covering basically half the mortgage and expenses. So now, I reduced my housing costs even lower while also building some equity in the housing prices in the area were were shooting up over the three three and a half years. I I lived in that house. So was able by the time, you know, have roommates pay half my mortgage in utilities in by the time. I sold it. I was able to profit. Quite a bit just based on the appreciation to we walk through the numbers on that purchase. It sounds like this was one central component of the the journey here. Yes. So really during this time, it's twofold. So the housing was one at that point had put enough aside to pay off my car. So my car I wasn't paying for a car anymore. Paid off that debt still had some other debt. I was paying down still had probably twenty twenty five thousand dollars worth of debt at that time and the housing purchase. I bought it for one seventy seven in December of two thousand fourteen. And so my mortgage was around twelve hundred you add in utilities, it was about fifteen hundred and at any given time I had one or two roommates that were paying five hundred dollars a piece so some months my portion was only five hundred dollars, they're helping build equity in this home. And I was able to sell it put very little work into it. It all just a few things when I get ready to sail just to spruce it up. Bit. But I may be put out two or three thousand dollars into the property. Total just some cosmetic work that helped with the curb appeal and in the interior just a little bit and was able to sell it for two hundred fifteen thousand three years later. So a pretty good profit. They're awesome in so go Gomez the cars, I mean, these are to the central expenses for most most people right as housing transportation. Right. So you you're making money off of your housing at this point. Because of the way, you're you're low cash outlays than the appreciation and recapture it would sell and then you have a paid off car. What kind of car was this? This was a Cihan X be. So that little toaster on wheels. Which I'll say so another I'll backtrack just a little bit in between when I shut down the business and took the job with the federal government. So I had taken out a student loan fuller. We were supposed to go on my senior class where you're supposed to go on a trip to Europe that ended up getting canceled. So I decided I was going to take my own trip. So I took that student loan money, and a friend of mine, we packed up in that toaster on wills and drove spent a month driving across the country. So that's where that student will went to. So that was another. I don't want to call that a financial mistake necessarily because it was one of the best experiences of my life. And I think we need to have those along the way, but that that didn't help my financial situation. No, absolutely. But I mean, the those two things like having them at zero or or very low is it seems like was that central to you help to being able to start making progress towards accumulating cash for paying down debt or the next step? Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's something that is obviously very repeatable something. That's maybe not as repeatable the second thing that really helped me obliterate my debt the rest of my debt as well as build a nest egg start investing. So while I was working in New Hampshire. I decided you know, what I still have some GI Bill left. I'm gonna go go to grad school and get an MBA in the Stipe in for veterans go into school in that area. Because you're close to Boston. I went to to UMass. And so by stipend was twenty four I wanna say twenty two or twenty four hundred dollars a month at fluctuated a little bit increased over the the couple years I was in school. So I was working full-time. I'd gotten another promotion while they are just by Browning. It out and working hard at work and proven myself. So got another promotion at this point. I was making in the mid sixties, maybe high sixties, and I was going to school nights and weekends. And here's a benefit if any of your veteran listeners can learn from this. I caught GI Bill hacking where you're working full time. Go to school. You only have to take one resident course to get your full housing stipend from the GI Bill. So I was doing kind of fifty fifty fifty percent online fifty percent on campus in collecting gona school for free. Getting a masters for free. Also collecting an extra twenty four hundred dollars a month that I used to obliterate my debt and start my nest egg for investing. Meanwhile, I've got I have almost no living expenses in terms of the big overhead items such as housing in transportation. So those two things between cutting down on housing and transportation and then using. The tools that I had available to me as a veteran in taking advantage that to do some geo arbitrage there from a cost from GI Bill perspective it really accelerated things. Okay. I've gotta look on my face of pure like. Wow. And I don't think Scott is as excited about this. As I am. So maybe I'm misunderstanding. This you went back to school. And all you were required to do was take one in-person class, meaning not online, but you have to actually attend class, and the government gave you twenty two hundred dollars for you to do with whatever like, they didn't pay your mortgage. They didn't like pay student housing. They just here's twenty two hundred dollars every month. Right. So you have to take a full course load which for a master's is nine credit hours. So three courses I took one on campus. Sometimes I took to campus one online just depending on what the course load was sometimes I took one on campus to online, but just by going to school, quote, unquote, full-time. I would go maybe to weeknights and one weekend evening, usually two or three days a week for four hours at a time. So not a huge time commitment. I don't want to say that it was it was rough working fulltime in Angolan school. But I was dedicated to paying down that debt in increasing by net worth so in. I think a lot of a lot of folks misunderstand the GI Bill can be a little tricky in. So for folks who may be in that situation who don't know. Absolutely. Do it go in that also enhances your earning potential whether you're in federal service or you're in the private sector. You know, now, you're getting a free education, and they're paying you money directly to your your Bank account. Like, you say many, I wasn't it didn't go to my housing. It didn't go towards additional school expenses. It was directly deposited into my account every month. Okay. So we're just gonna reiterate this for all of our military listeners. When you go for your GI Bill pays your college? When you go for this have. House hack and get roommates, and then they will pay your stipend. So everything's paid for. I mean, this is not everything's paid for. I'm sorry. I've never done this before I shouldn't say that everything's paid for but holy cow. You have a job which covers all of your living expenses. Plus, here's twenty two hundred dollars which easily covers your mortgage. Did you still have the mortgage? We're used to living in the house at the time. Or did you move? No. I was still living at in the house at the time. Okay. Okay. Scott are you now sufficiently excited about this very excited about this? This is the power of a military background what you're attempting to pursue financial independence or become an entrepreneur or any of those types of things number of huge advantages. Right. One the stipend and free higher education right to VA loads. Right. Three the healthcare right via health insurance. Right. Those three, and I'm sure there's more. But those three seem like absolute pillars of several stories that we've heard around moving toward financial. Once at a rapid rate for veterans, right? And rightly so can I ask you a Jay did you use the VA loan for that house? Was that availa? I did. So I paid zero down I had zero upfront cost to purchase that house. So no, no money out of my pocket. And also, I'm glad you've mentioned the healthcare. I am a disabled veteran. So I don't pay for health care. I get all my health care through the VA. So which I also get a small disability stipend from the military or from the VA because of my disability. So between those things, you know, you had in the Stipe in not having pay for healthcare costs. And I know these things aren't repeatable for everyone. But I think the the moral of the story is, hey, look at your employer. Look at the opportunities a lot employers. Do you know, even if you're not a veteran, they do a tuition assistance things like that take full advantage of the benefits your 4._0._1._K matching all of those things any healthcare benefits, HSA's, whatever you can to really. Reduce your expenses. While also building your net worth it. When I love about this is that you you recognize all his advantage. You just see the concept of fi. And then you go all out basically of the next couple of years here, you move to New England physically relocate you buy a house hack, right? You leverage all of your benefits. The absolute max, right because you're you're using the load, and you're getting a massive stipend here. You've got a cost of living adjustment for a high cost living area. Why live in a low cost living area, you're working fulltime in obviously kicking butt because you're getting promoted, you know, relentlessly without this period. And you're getting their MBA part time. Right. So what did you do for fun during this period? Well, you know craft breweries lots of craft breweries in New England so on the weekends. I would after all that stress go and partake in a couple of New England as here and there so that and hiking a lot of free activities. There's you know, the White Mountains in that part of the country, lots of hiking camping those sorts of things so kayaking just being outdoors skiing. I didn't grow up skiing did that a little bit, which was terrifying. Even as a marine you get on top of those mountains, it can be a little bit scary. So I don't know how you guys do it out there in Colorado. I I'll probably do it again at some point. But I'm looking for smaller mountains, these days, I lift dried up one of these mounds out here is pretty terrified. I'm sure come visit. And I will take you studying, and I will take you on the little hills. And then we'll go to the bigger hills. Then we'll go to the great big hills. Okay. So this may not be repeatable for everyone. But it is definitely repeatable for all of our military listeners, and we're definitely going to reach out to a military blogger friends. Like, Doug Nordmann? Oh my goodness. I'm blanking on his blog because it's all for military. And I'm not military. Don't read it that frequently. But I know he's huge David pair from military to millionaire. I believe is the name of his blog. We're going to reach out to all of them. And make sure that they know that this episode Isabella because this is huge. This is amazing. And I have never heard this again, I'm not military. So the GI Bill doesn't apply to me. But this is really I mean, I'm speechless. This is amazing. And this is still you can take lessons from this house. Hacking is available to every single person house hacking is an excellent way to reduce or completely eliminate your housing expenses. And there's a really awesome article on bigger pockets about house hacking, and the whole concept and that will link to that in the show notes, which can be found at bigger pockets dot com slash money show, sixty eight but this this is just fantastic. And I love how you said, you know, you're you're. Employer could have ways to pay for college. We had Zach go tear on episode sixty four where he talked about how to pay for college. All these different ways to fund your college, mainly for kids, mainly, but there's definitely opportunities to pay for post like regular college age. I don't know how to say this Scott save me, please because I'm just fumbling over here. I think it's just being creative about how you're going to approach your journey. Right. Like, maybe if you didn't have this the stipend, you know, maybe that changes the equation ongoing and getting that NBA in the first place. I don't know. But I think that that's kind of just all about assessing all of those things and your benefits and how will impact things right because these degrees are very expensive. At are. They going to have that pay trade off in pursuit of fi. I don't know in this case she could make money while getting an opportunity to earn even more with the degree. That's a no brainer. Right. Like that's going to clearly be a winner to a certain extent in even four. So on the. Federal civilian government side. Even with that. I know the agency that I worked for they offer tuition assistance, which will cover most if not all for a local state college will cover a lot of those expenses. So in a lot of government agencies offer that type of thing so in private employers to so anytime, there's free education benefits, and you can build your resume and increase your knowledge in your education. Absolutely go forth and do that. If it's free. It's free take advantage of it. So and they're also there lots of for federal civilian employees. There are so many opportunities other things I've done to help increase my net worth. I mean, everyone has to get your in the federal service you you're in some job series. Where you have to get certifications. You're traveling for training, or you're going to conferences, or you're going to give briefs in in the federal government when you travel you get paid your lodging as well as what's called 'em. And I which is mills and incidental expenses. So that ranges anywhere from fifty to one hundred dollars a day your own travel that just goes directly into your pocket. And I forget who who mentioned it was on your podcast at some point. Someone was mentioning I believe it was on on bigger pockets money. Maybe it was the frugal woods were talking about going down for breakfast in making lunch sandwiches while it breakfast. I I do that all the time every time I travel I pocket all that Millon incidental expense because I just go to the hotel. And if you stay at somewhere like a like, a home would sweets or embassy suites, where they also have a dinner and cocktail hour, you can essentially go get breakfast for free make yourself as sandwich for lunch. Grab a couple eggs. You've got launched in the new comeback. Get a free drink in dinner. And you didn't you didn't spend a dime. So I've done that quite a bit. And I'm currently on the on the biggest travel hack of my federal career, which is is really really expedited things in. I'm actually in Washington DC right now on a long-term TDY temporary duty assignment I'm here for a year. And currently my my girlfriend, and I are living in this gorgeous apartment right across the river here in Arlington, and we are saving one hundred percent of our incomes right now, we have zero costs because the government is paying for lodging and living expenses. So if you're a federal government employees seek out those opportunity travel as much as possible. Okay. No. You can't just drop that if we get to that. Let's build the rest of your story into this point. And then they will cover this. Sorry. I nobody's itsy to hear exactly how this happened. But let's let's keep going the nearly across the so so it hasn't fourteen by the house, and you stay there for three years so dozen seventeen right at the same time. You are getting your MBA you're getting the stipend you're living frugally. I imagine you exhibit frugal tendencies towards other major expenditure categories like food, for example, kind of as you just mentioned where you would you crap all extra Becker stuff and all that kind of stuff, but you're not interestingly for going a lot of the fun stuff like the outdoors activities, and though craft beer and all that kind of stuff. Right. So so I sold the house at the beginning of two thousand eighteen and the reason I saw it my girlfriend, and I she had taken a promotion in Baltimore. And I had because of and that's I don't want to I don't want to downplay this because I think this is really important to you guys discuss it all the time you can cut expenses drastically. But at some point if you really want to accelerate things you've got increase your earnings. So again, if you're in the federal government, if you're willing to move, and you're a hard worker in you. You show that you've got you know, that tenacity the promotions are out there. So I took a promotion to move to southern Virginia, and my girlfriend took a promotion to move to Baltimore because we both knew that I was going to be on this rotation in DC in the Baltimore DC area for a year. So that was definitely part of the plan. So at this point now I during that time, I'm steadily getting promotions. And so I'd gone from when I first got into federal service making, you know, mid thirties by the time, I sell the house take the promotion down in southern Virginia. I finally hit six figures. So work your way up along the way, and I know some people it's it's tough. You have kids. I don't have kids personally, I have two babies to cats, but they're pretty pretty easy to travel. So relocation is is not something everyone can accomplish easily. But you know, how bad do you want it in how willing are you to make a couple sacrifices in relocating? In order to really boost your income. And what happens that your net worth over that over that three year period in New England. I so I hit net worth zero at the end of twenty fifteen. So I spent about a year year and a half getting my debt to zero and I built a little bit of a nest egg. And so I started investing. I went from I'll just say zero to hundreds of thousands of dollars in the matter of three years, so twenty sixteen seventeen eighteen and now, I'm like, I I guess at the beginning, I'm pretty much some people say the term lean fi whatever you wanna call it. I between my my small disability stipend in the assets in that I have stored up. I don't have to work. I choose to and I want to build that NASDAQ to two more comfortable level. It would be a very very lean. Leaned life, which which I I live currently a lot of Costco, all d do. You guys have all the outbid in Colorado now know Aldi. I'm Scott you'd love it. I can actually out my window. I can see Costco from here. Yesterday. It was great. You can't what to Costco, because all your stuff home. Every what's I'll go to Costco. And I see somebody on a motorcycle. I'm like, what are you getting here? There's literally nothing you could put in your pocket. It's all like forty gallons. The ultimate. So we usually you can go on go on Amazon or WalMart wherever you can get these cheap rollout carts that fold up my girlfriend got one. And it is the best thing ever just folds up. We really want to Costco. We it. Pops open. We throw everything in it. Check out, and it's like a little red Ryder, you know, wagon, and we pull it home. Doesn't even watch the Costco and loves this. I walk. I have zero transportation costs. Now, there's there's great public transit here. So I have zero transportation costs. Okay. So you said there's great transportation here. That's in Washington DC in DC. Yes. Okay. So can we please talk about that? Now, scott. Yes, really talk about this zero living expenses hack that you have your girlfriend took a promotion to Baltimore. And did you know that there was this temporary duty assignment coming up or did you just apply for it or hope for it? And all these cities are really close together. I'm not from the east coast. I know Scott is from Baltimore about my my when I grew up. My mother worked in DC in Baltimore. And my dad worked in a town called Alexandria Virginia, which is a little bit south of DC. So so how far away are these cities like so we lived in between. Yeah. They're not very far. It's probably fifty minutes between the two our. Yeah. Yeah. Between depending on track. Thicke is always, you know, you're about an hour between DC and Baltimore Alexandria. Is just right up the road. Yes. All they're all very close. Okay. So your girlfriend took a job in Baltimore. How long was she in Baltimore before you came down to or did you go down to the entire? So she moved to Baltimore in March of two thousand eight and then I moved to southern Virginia Richmond area, a central southern just south of Richmond. I moved there in may of twenty eighteen and so we spend a few months of parts, and then we kind of travel back and forth. The other on the weekends for a bit knowing that I had already applied for and been accepted to the rotational assignment here in DC. So we already knew that going into us living separately that eventually instead of being three hours away in more southern Virginia from Baltimore that. I would be right there in DC. So we were both renting at the time. And then I came. Came to DC on the rotation. And she's like, why are we living in two separate places? Why don't I get out of my lease? I'll come live with you in DC for free, and I'll just take the train to Baltimore because the government will pay for her transportation costs. So like, yeah. That's a great idea. Let's do that. So at this point she's getting on the five path she's trying to pay down her student loan. That's all she's got a whole story in it over self. If you guys everyone interview higher, but. Does she work for the government to she does we both work for the same age? Okay. I was like why does the government pay for her train ticket? But because she works out. Okay. Okay. So the government has you assigned to wherever you used to live. And now, you're just temporarily in Washington DC. Yes, how long are you temporarily in Washington DC? So I arrived here September of last year. And I will be there until September this year and all the while. We're basically that I e portion of that mills and incidental expenses they pay the current rate. It just it just boasted up from twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen. It's now I wanna say seventy six dollars a day. So in total I'm getting paid over twenty five thousand dollars, plus my paycheck, plus free lodging for the whole year. So she, and I are just living off of that TDY money that twenty five thousand dollars keeping our expenses under that which is what we try to maintain anyway in. It's really easy. When you don't have any logic. It's something you mentioned the name of it earlier. But it was like a long term short term deployment or something like that. What was the name of this long-term TDY? So it's long term temporary long term temporary did yet. So that just. Wow. So what are you doing with your money? It is by more S two thousand. Yeah. I have six. No, still I am investing all of it. So I did the math. I'm actually saving one hundred and nine percent of my taxable income will of course, a hundred nine percent because it doesn't exist. How do you save one hundred and nine percent of your taxable income because also you're making X plus you have no housing expenses. Plus, they give you in addition to paying your housing expenses. They give you an additional seventy six dollars a day. So you can eat. I don't know how you can survive on such a small amount of food in a few months earn a few weeks. We're going to interview the savings sherpa who has he claims he has twenty five dollars a week in grocery costs. And so we're going to get some recipes from him. We're going to talk about how he does that. But twenty five dollars a week versus seventy six dollars a day. How do you do it, Costco, and all the? I mean that just seems ridiculous. That's people could spend seventy six dollars a day on food. So that's what you're using to live off of whilst bit saving one hundred and nine percent of your income. And what are you investing in? So I invested in in a variety of things I max out my TSP, which is the government version of a 4._0._1._K. So I maxed that out. And plus they give five percent matching. They do three percent on your first three percent they match and then a half percent for the next two. So that gives you four percent. And then they have an automatic one percent that they contribute. So it's a total of five percent. So I maxed that out. I also max out a Roth IRA, and then I have some money in a peer to peer lending in some money in crab funded real estate. And then I'm currently putting a lot of cash aside. And I'm sure you guys have been watching the interest rates at banks are are supplying now. So if you haven't heard a CIT. Bank. They offer over two percent only money market account. So that's where I'm putting all my savings for my next real estate purchase. So that will be I'm searching hard for a duplex or triplex or quad in the southern Virginia area because she and I will be moving back there. I have a decent amount about ten percent of my net worth just in a savings account now strictly for real estate purchase. Do you own any other real estate besides I guess, you sold your first place? Dude, any real estate that privately. Hold. I I do not just the crowd source to real estate is which is more commercial real estate focused. So I imagine that you're accumulating quite a bit of after-tax liquidity. After you max out your off and after this DSP based on your savings rate with all this stuff. So is that is that why you're kind of shifting to real estate? Now, kind of putting all this money aside in these money market accounts coming up with strategies because there's not enough places to store pretexts. Yes. That's part. Also, we've become accustomed to not paying for lodging. So when we moved we want to continue that. So the biggest goal there is to do a house hack in when we moved back to Virginia southern Virginia to have something that's going to put our lodging costs at zero. We wanna maintain that. So that we can continue. I want to build a small real estate portfolio in less than ten properties. Probably I'm not big on landlord ING, but it's such an incredible tool towards financial independence that you can't ignore it, at least in my opinion. And I I like the diversity to the market's been so crazy up and down lately. I wanted to versa. Fi I'm very very heavily weighted in stocks overall on probably between stocks and bonds between my taxable accounts and by four oh, one K, I'm probably at about ninety ten split ninety percent stocks ten percent on. And because we're looking to hit our fi gold collectively between myself and my girlfriend. And within the next three to five years. We wanna have some more stable outside income some more cash flow coming in. And so so real estate is definitely that avenue that we're preaching with the, you know, your plans going in the future into moving into Virginia getting house hack, would you consider using a VA loan for that? Or you're gonna use a large down payment with a cash or set aside? So probably ideally would use a VA loan. But as you probably know what the VA loan there. Lots of restrictions. It's tougher to buy like a like a property you're going to rehab. So if we're looking to do like, a like us the Burr method or something of that effect. It's tough to do that with a VA loan versus a conventional loan or a a rehab blonde. So ideally, if we could find a property the qualifies for VA loan input zero or just little money down. But even if that's the case, I wanna have some liquid cash sitting there to do any types of upgrades or things that will will really bring the property to bring them. Money in great. I love it. It'd be having to have a lot of cash to give me more options than yell use the advantage of the loan. If the property that meets the qualifications comes up. But I think it's great, you know, using it gives you more options. Absolutely. Or maybe I'll just throw it all in bitcoin. You know, they got. I don't recommend that. Now. Definitely nuts. It's your money. So where's your girlfriend on her path to zero net worth you said, she still has some student loans. So she started when she started her path she originally when she she went to a private school. She had over one hundred thousand dollars in student loan debt own and so she started her path about a year ago. I finally convinced her which wasn't hard when you start to if we could travel full-time and work from the road. And she's like, okay. Yeah. Let's do that. So. So she she really got on the ball, and she has paid off about seventy thousand dollars in student loan debt. She had she had around one hundred twenty now she is around forty five thousand and what she's also maxing out our 4._0._1._K cheese maxing out a Roth IRA, so she held also she's building her net worth while also paying down that debt. So we interviewed Travis Hornsby from student loan planner on episode twenty two and he did not use the government job with the long term temporary duty assignment as a way to pay down loads. But let's look at your girlfriend for a second one hundred twenty thousand dollars in student loan debt with whatever interest rate, even if it's zero that's still a lot of money to pay off. And what we talked about on episode. Twenty two Travis is that there are doctors at veterinarians and dentists who have all of these super high like multiple six figure loans, not just one hundred. Got you know, three four six hundred thousand dollars in loans, and they're unable to make any sort of Denton at your minimum payment doesn't cut it. And it's just it's soul crushing. And there's a huge rate of suicide frankly for a lot of these these professions that are just so mired in this debt, and your girlfriend has taken this. It's a GO arbitrage job arbitrage with this government job. I'm granted. I don't know how many government veterinarians there are. But there's a lot of jobs in this in the government that can help you pay down your debt just by having this travel. What did you call a travel hacking GI, Bill hacking, and per diem hacking, and all of these hacks. I mean, how's your life? Does it suck? It sounds like it's pretty awesome. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. It sounds like you're living your best life while also having zero expenses and living in an amazing city and going out, and I mean living twenty five thousand dollars a year without having any. Expenses at all besides what food right? Does it literally? You're only expense pretty much food and. Oh, I do have a storage unit right now because we had to put our stuff somewhere, which I I can't stand having a storage in. But it's like a hundred bucks a month. I mean, that's that's Molly real overhead expense in a Netflix account. Shame on me. All my goodness. Look at this Mr. spendy pants over here at Netflix account and a storage unit, by the way storage units are a really awesome way to make a lot of money in real estate because lots of people are just like you. Oh, I don't have enough room. So I need to put myself in storage. And then oh, it's only one hundred dollars a month. And you just pay it and pay it and pay it and. Yeah. My parents have had a storage unit. They they had to storage. It's the biggest storage units. They have they moved it down to one. But they've had it for twelve years eleven years because they live in an RV, and they travel around the country building churches, like get rid of all the stuff in the storage unit. You don't need it anymore. But whatever twelve years they've been paying this Bill and there's like two fifty a month. That's a lot of money. You can make a lot of money in storage units. Because people will put stuff in there. And then, you know, oh, it's only one hundred bucks. What's a hundred bucks? Absolutely. Absolutely. So look into that too. If you can't find yourself a duplex. Find yourself a storage unit. Definitely we'll do. We'll so what's what's next after you move to Virginia. So move to Virginia we hopefully, you can find a place that we can house heck. And then even even if we did have small living calls in terms of housing. We'll both be able to save and put back roughly seventy five percent of our income. If we continue our our lifestyle, and we don't we don't want for anything, we actually, and I know this is gonna sound tear. We actually go out to eat two or three times a week in have fancy expensive beers two or three times a week. And we still are able to live when you don't have the housing cost review have low housing costs. And you don't have transportation costs. You can still live on twenty five thousand dollars a year less and still have a really fulfilling life so continue the lifestyle continue investing depending on the market three to five years. If we have to work a little bit longer to really hit are comfortable number than we will in. That's totally okay with that. But then that's when we plan on cutting the cord from traditional employments and going onto more bigger and better things things that excite us more, traveling helping you know, we've discussed I have a niece who's extremely disabled in. There aren't a lot of organizations available to to help a lot of those folks with her specific condition. She actually has a cousin that has the same condition. So we discussed starting a nonprofit to help fund some. Those healthcare expenses my sister. My brother-in-law are both teachers, but even on low teacher salaries they make too much money. They've actually had a cut down in take demotions in order to meet certain healthcare requirements, you know, to get the stipends from the government or the healthcare coverage to help cover her expenses. So we're looking into potentially starting a nonprofit to help with that joining the peace corps who knows the sky's the limit. Now. That's awesome. And that's what of gets me going at what I do here with what we do at this bigger pockets money podcast because the carrot on the stick a carrot. You know that we dangled for everybody is, hey, go, sit Margaritas in the beach and hang out. But Doan does that if you have the emission that drive the hustle the discipline to build a massive net worth and do all the things that you're doing optimizing every front on the while generation equation. And you end up achieving this fi within the next couple of years. You're going to go out and impact the world, positively in some unique way that's kind of this. Unique blend of the things that are you're passionate about where you are. And what you're going to be good at like, I love it. Like, those all those things you just mentioned are going to make a huge positive contribution to society. I just I love it. I think it's fantastic. And a great goal in Scott. You got your undergrad degree in economics right in. Yeah. How much did you? Learn about personal finance in college. I didn't learn anything about personal finance in college. I did learn about personal finance until I discovered Mr. buddy mustache, branded from bad fantasists in two thousand fourteen like you. That's my point. Exactly. I I would love to. And I know the guys from choose fi. This is something they're really into. I'd love to network with folks and say, hey, how do we give younger folks or even young adults or regardless like, some kind of free access to personal finance education. It's not part of our curriculum as we're growing up in school. You know this. I think that's also something that I'm very passionate about is teaching personal finance. I mean, if you learn this at an early age, you know, we wouldn't have such a looming, you know, right retirement crisis in student loan crisis, and all that gets in even within a niche in there, the military in particular, right? I mean, there's so many it seems that there's a lot of folks that go into the military and come out with a bad financial situation. Win a little bit of education in the right direction can produce a very strong foundation from which to go after the stuff. Absolutely. I listened to military is particularly interesting branch of that because of the benefits that you guys have. And it just seemed so perfectly suited. Towards a five because you just have to of the biggest problems completely eliminated in the VA loan and then health insurance, you know, in military as well as it's one of the last places where you can actually still get a pension, right? And federal civilian service is the same way. So we'll actually we have enough time in the service in my girlfriend's. Also reserve of she's gonna get a reserve his pension. You know, it's sixty in. We'll both get federal civilian pensions. We're gonna do a deferred retirement. So we only need to stretch our our dollars for maximum of twenty years before will receive pensions and then shortly after social security, if it still exists who knows, but you know, but we wanna make sure even with those pensions in potentially social security coming with we wanna make sure we have enough that if those things fall apart and don't happen. Some massive government change happens. It's not under that we still have enough and we don't have to worry. But yeah, I loved that. I love the forward thinking of that. Because I have people. In my life who have a pension, but it's not the it's not guaranteed and counting on that. As your only source of income during your final years is really not the smartest maneuver I've really hoped. The government doesn't go out of business. But I love that you're thinking past that and the whole nonprofit thing. Wow. That's really cool because the whole financial independence thing is not about quitting your job. It's about having enough money to do whatever you want if that's travel. If that's, you know, stay home with your kids and raise them working at your passion with no consideration for money. My husband wanted to be a park ranger and never wanted to make what do they make like four dollars an hour or something he didn't want to have that. Because it's not sustainable. I mean, you can't I don't know how Rangers live off that. But now we live by Rocky Mountain national park. So he can go it'd be a park ranger if he wants because doesn't matter what they paid they pay nothing. So yeah. That was kind of an abrupt stop. But yeah, that's what this is all about. It's living your best life without considering. Oh how much gonna make right? You know? It's it's fine in that. What would I do if money weren't an option if I what would I do that pay zero? But it's still get up every morning and go do it. You know, that's a park ranger absolutely spend time in nature. That's great. Oh and Rocky Mountain national park is amazing will take you there. When we go skiing. We'll go we'll plan another day to go up to recommend perfect. Okay. Is there anything else you wanna share with our listeners before we move onto the famous for? Oh, no. I think I'm all set get this was fabulous. I'm so excited to share this with like everybody. Ok so now it is time for the famous four questions either the same four questions or five questions four questions in one command that we ask of all of our guests. What is your favorite finance book? Okay. So I I have to the first being for if you're a beginner. You're just getting into this or, you know, your midway through Scott trenches separate life is. All right. There was a game changer for me. I was called me. And I'm already house hacking. I need to do this some more. Building that financial runway. It's an incredible resource. Kind of nuts to spoon look at at financial independence in is very accessible for anyone and steps you can take to really enhance your financial independence path. The second book is called plentitude in its by Juliet shore. And if you're already well, only, your your path and you're thinking about the future. And I think it's a really good book. It's the subtitle was the new economics true wealth. And it's Mary along the lines of Vicki Robbins. So her ideas, you know, we have this our current Konami in our current culture in in state away. We're doing things isn't sustainable. You know, what what does the new economy, look like, and you're starting to see it in, you know, pop up in certain urban neighborhoods. People are going more of their own food and doing these sorts of things becoming more green. If you will. So I think it's got to when you're thinking about okay? How can I live more sustainable, you know, less impact? Title on the earth and own society. But it's it's very I think it's very fi related if you read it in the in the right context, that's great. I've never heard of that book. And I look forward to checking it out or what was your biggest money mistake? So I think we covered those all the vehicles for one and then cashing out my by TSP, my 4._0._1._K when leaving military service, just terrible. But you if that business had worked out, would you still consider it a mistake? True. I guess not. I guess not you you take risk you take risk and you have to. And did you know that the market was gonna crash like it did? No. Of course, not did. You know that the market was gonna shoot up like it did. Absolutely not you never know. So you can't really beat yourself up over these. It's now sitting over here in two thousand nine hundred and you're like, wow that wasn't such a smart move. But when you were doing it, you still paid off a lot of debt, you didn't take it to the boats and gamble so it was still a fairly smart move. You know, I a couple of months ago, maybe almost a year ago interviewed any dude. Who's a poker player? She wrote a book called thinking in bets on the bigger pockets real estate podcast. And I love the the way she kind of thinks about things it's about like was it a bad decision. Or was it a bad result on that? And that's why I'm kinda wanna get with the liquidating the 4._0._1._K there. You know? Yes. There's a lot of things. No one's recommending liquidate the 4._0._1._K. But I think that you made a bet on that one versus a. Necessarily a bad decision. And the bet didn't work out. The result didn't end up the way you wanted. But I guess you could make the argument that that wasn't. You know, if things if you still thought it was a reasonable probability success in you did that it wasn't the worst mistake in the world compared to a lot of other mistakes heard on the show. We'll right in L want to be clear. It wasn't like there was I had a ton of money in that 4._0._1._K. You know, it wasn't making a ton in the military. So I I didn't wait hundreds of thousands of dollars to throw into business. It was you know, a relatively insignificant amount in the big scheme of things. So the risk reward ratio there. I felt was was worth it. Hindsight. You know, obviously. Twenty twenty. Absolutely. I always try to think about things like hey did. I did I get a better result. Or did. I make a bad decision on that. And that's kind of it's sometimes difficult to separate the two in thinking on then the lessons you learned in running your own business or imbalances. I mean, you can't replace those. It's something that I will. I will always look back fondly on. That's awesome. Okay. What is your best piece of advice for people who are just starting out? So people say it all the time. It's a marathon not a sprint in something that I I've been coming to grips with the you know, or or have over the past year or so now that I'm kind of I'm at the point where hey, I really could leave my job today. If I wanted to just recently when in the past six months to a year that's become the reality in. It's a call will I'm running from job. What am I running too? I think you really need to think about as you're in this process in your building your net worth focus on what you value do some soul-searching because like Scott said. Mini-state all the time. It's not all my ties on the beach. That's that gets boring. So what are you going to contribute to society? We're in a country in economic situation where we're able to do these things build this type of wealth. And that's that's very fortunate. So what do we do to give back and better each other? And better society, you know, there's a event that I go to every year, and it's a meet up for a lot of folks that are interested in financial dependence that kind of stuff, and there's always a good number of folks who are couple years into the journey pretty close. Look in your position. I yeah. I could probably do this some in. It's a spectrum. I could I'm kind of lean right now. I really I guess I technically could. But I really got a couple more years where to do. It sounds like that's where you're at a senior mind for this kind of stuff and some people are like, well, I'm way past whatever the conservative expectations are for this. I'm clearly filing. What do I do though? Like, my identity is my job in on kind of stuff. And I think that that is a unintended consequence. A lot of people don't think about when they're starting on this journey. Is like what is going to come after this? And how am I going to plan around that? Because you know, it's kind of hard. I think at that time at the moment when you get there, and you realize you're you're fi to actually make that leap and go do whatever it is that you're going to do after your job. If you don't have that planned out ahead of time. Right. It's got some one of the things you see a lot on forums or blogs. Like if you're on red or whatever people go I'm gonna once I hit my number. I'm going to travel the world in maybe they've never even been out of a country. You know? So, you know, take some steps now to kind of dabble in some of your passions dabble in a little bit of travel to places you think you may wanna see or live in potentially two more GO arbitrage because you may get there and say, oh, well, this kinda sucks. I actually I don't like it here. I want to be somewhere else. They don't don't just make a plan, but also test that plan a little bit and make sure it's what you want mercy's diving into a don't up in move to Peru when you've never even step foot in there, you know before. Absolutely. That's a really good point. I think a lot of people love traffic. I don't like travelling that much. At least not right now. I'm not a big you Ravelo. Yeah. I just I don't wanna go somewhere in hang out in from places. Like I lived in Denver because I like living in Denver. No, I don't want to go to Peru for four weeks. Ed have experience in of making fun of someone that had signed. Here's a straw, man. But. That's just not me. And I think that some people are like, hey, that's that's what you do when you hit five. Well, no, you do what you wanna do. If you don't know what you wanna do. You're in trouble because you're not all that works not gonna pay off for you the way that you want it to their absolutely what value comes down. What are you? What brings you joy? Exactly. All right. Well, one thing we all value is parties. So what's your favorite joke to tell at those parties? I was a horrible transition. But we'll go up so terrible. But Scott, you may appreciate it since you. You know, you gotta green economics. If he's terrible. If it's terrible. He'll love it. So three economists go hunting in there in the woods. And they see this giant buck walkup the first economist grabs his rifle he shoots and he's six inches. Too wide to the left. The second economist pulls up his rifle, and he shoots and he's six inches wide to the right? The third communist drops his ripen jumps for joy and says, oh, we got it. We got it. That's good. Would I've laughing. I don't get it the average. Oh because they. Because he thought instead the riot six inches to the left. I see because economists make all these projections. Right. And they're always wanna communist is a little off the others a little off. But if you took their collective knowledge, they hit it right on. Okay. Fair enough. Okay. Jay, Grayson, where can people find out more about you? I'm sorry. This is the command tell me where people could find out more about you. Yes, ma'am. So my girlfriend, and I we recently it's now live we started a website and his geared towards veterans in federal employees. It's called bed on fire dot com. There is virtually no content on there right now because we just started it, but we have contents in the work. And hopefully by the time this airs there will be plenty of content on there. We have lots to upload. I just didn't get around to doing it. Yeah. So that or Hello at fed on fire dot com. That's our Email address. So shoot us align anytime. All right. We will linked to both of those in the show notes there. And are you on Twitter? Facebook other social Instagram. What else is there, you know? I was going to, but I've I've never been big on social media. And I think I'm. Just gonna leave it that way. Just you know, we get so much so many distractions from digital media constantly, I have a Facebook. But I rarely get on it. So I don't think I I'm gonna start a bunch of digital accounts. Well, I will recommend you starting them. Even if you don't do anything with them just nobody else starts up. Like Scott trench could start fed on fire on Twitter. And then be like, oh, yeah. Here's a picture of us two thousand you should buy one just so you wanna keep Scott from hijacking your name, online, get everything that you can on social media one hundred Twitter handles. Excellent advice. Thank you so much. I will do that. Yes. See that. Okay. Jay. This was awesome. I learned a thousand things I hope that our military listeners are also learning how they can finagle is not the right word finesse their military because what you think of military you don't think of lucrative salaries. You think of well, they don't make anything you might not make a lot. But you're also not paying for housing. You're not paying for food. You wear you all get uniforms. Right. You're not buying clothes. Right. The seven pieces of clothing that you walk in with can last you forever because you're always in military close. Right. Absolutely. That's one thing. I miss, you know, not having to decide what to wear in the mornings get up put on your uniform and goat. You could still wear a uniform go to the thrift store, you could find if you kept yours. Well, I don't quite fit in mind anymore. But. Okay. So yeah. If you're the military, what can you do how can you use your situation? Take advantage of all these opportunities that you're getting to either pay down any debt you have or not generate any debt Stewart Grazer was here. Remember, Scott and his first thing like as soon as he got his what was it like a bonus or something for a sign on bonus or something as soon as he got that he went out and bought like a thirty thousand dollars truck. Not the best choice, not the worst choice. I mean, it could have been a fifty thousand dollar truck. But you don't do those things or if you did those things sell the truck and pay off the debt, and while you're in the military with basically, no expenses use that to start generating investments and buy a house in whatever works for you and your investment, but this was unbelievable. And thank you so much for coming on and sharing this. Now, I'm thinking of all the things my husband used to work for the VA, and he would periodically travel with. Them and he would go to the grocery store to get his per diem because he just didn't want to go out to dinner all the time. And he after you're done working. Let's go back to the hotel and just relax. And so yeah, he took advantage of this. But he didn't take advantage of it. Like, you did he didn't have this hundred percent no expenses thing either. Wow. That's just you blew my mind. Jay. So thank you so much for coming on the show to blow my mind will. Thank you so much for having me. It's been absolute blast. I really appreciate it. Okay. Have a great day gray you as well. Thank you so much. All right. That was Jay Grayson from fed on fire dot com Mindy, which you think oh my God. That was an tastic all of those things that he shared with his like GIO arbitrage. His the per diem hacking is blowing my mind, the what did he short term long term temporary duty whatever he's got. That's fantastic. The government is paying one hundred percent of his living expenses, they pay for his property or his place to live. Now. You know, what we didn't ask him is the government giving him money for the per diem and also her money for the per diem because they're both government contractor or government employees. And I mean either way they're living on twenty five thousand dollars a year. And all they have to pay for his food need the government pays for their transportation. The government pays for their housing. The government gives them money for food, and then they can spend that however they want he's saving a hundred and nine percent of his salary. How do you? Save one hundred nine percent of your salary. That is ridiculous. He could also be spending a hundred and nine percent of his salary. So this is just an amazing story. And he went what is this in three years? He went from NetWorth of zero to net worth of I could technically retire now. And it's not easy to do that in the DC metro area either. That's not no it's impossible. That's a high cost of living areas. Right. Yeah. So there's a lot of impressive things here. I just love there's four ways to increase your wealth. Right. You spend less you earn more invest aggressively or you create an asset through entrepreneurship, right? And he took three of those buckets and just optimize them relentlessly. Right. I mean, look at his income production skyrocket over the last four or five years look at how he's effectively cut out all of his expenses. And he has planning out his next move in advance to keep those expenses extremely low, and he's got a very aggressive asset allocation plan and plans to continue that even though he's going to expand into real estate. With this house AC I mean, it's just fantastic in it's in all of those areas. All combining to drive is financial position forward in really showing really incredible progress very quickly. I think he hits all four buckets. Because at one point he had started the the the company absolute, so he's definitely knocking it out of the park with three of the buckets. And then the fourth bucket it didn't work out. Yeah. But that's not. I think that was more like a product of what was happening in the country at the time. And he didn't really have a lot of control over that. But yeah, absolutely love every single thing. And he didn't start out with some fabulous background. Yeah. And by the way with that fourth bucket for entrepreneurship as a veteran. He is in perfect position to go and pursue that fulltime whenever he so chooses with a great advantage. Ray he's got the passive income. And they asset base here is got the healthcare covered. He's got all these advantages that are gonna come into play. If you ever does decide to go into the full-time entrepreneurship side of things as well. Which? Es listed as one of many possibilities going forward in the future. So well, yeah. And I brought up that whole fell storage thing. I don't know if that's technically real estate or owning your own business or both. But I would really like to own a self storage unit simply because it prints money when we first moved to our city we had to put all of our stuff in storage because our house wasn't ready in yada, yada. And it was like two hundred fifty dollars a month. We started talking to the guy. He's like, oh, yeah. I own four within like this tiny little I don't know three or four block radius, and they generate something like three hundred thousand dollars a year, and he has no employee's, and he just somebody calls up, and they say, hey, do you have a storage unit? He's like well. I don't have one at that place. But around the corner is another one, and nobody cares. Whether storage unit is located because they'll drive an extra half minute to get to the other place. They're just looking for a unit, and he very rarely has vacancies. And it just it just prints money. And the great thing about storage is that most people are not like you. Most of your customers are not like. Jay Wright, Jay is actually using short term storage to actually store his stuff while he lives for free for year. Then he's gonna go collect his things and moved down to Virginia. Right. So but most of your customers really an storage just put their stuff there than stay there for years. I got a magic, right. I, but that'd be my guess there was a guest on one of the bigger pockets real estate podcast episodes who talked about this. He had really creative approach to that. If anyone's interested what the go in and find that show number and put it in the show notes. But basically the premise is he has one sword unit. That's a really good location. That's very expensive and as a loss leader, and he's got like six or seven more that are in the outskirts much cheaper locations. So people go really prominent one and like, oh, we're all full here. But if you drive five minutes away or ten minutes away, we've got six or seven more where you can go in in store them there. And so it's kinda like Italian generates business into his other storage rental places. That's awesome. I haven't listened to that episode Dino who the guest. No, I'll have to go. Look it up. It was a case a couple years ago. Okay. Well, you can find that information in the show notes at bigger pockets dot com slash money show, sixty eight we'll make sure to look up that episode and include that in their Scott. Is there anything else you want to add today? No, I think I just very inspired by j and his journey, and I think he's gonna be off to some. He's already done accomplishing really big things as seen. He's going to have a lot of even bigger and better things coming up in his future. I'm so blown away that he wants to start a nonprofit for his niece. That's still touching. I hope that she and her parents really appreciate that. Because he could just do nothing, and he's going to go and make the world a better place. I also have a cousin with some weird disorder, and she has blown through her health insurance maximums, and it's just you know, what do you do you still have to pay for health insurance? Okay. If you're listening to the show, and you know, somebody who would re. Really benefit from this information there in the military. They're going into the military. They're just leaving the military thinking about going to college. They're young. They're old. They're like pretty much anybody with a heartbeat. Please recommend that. They listen to this show. We're available everywhere podcast are found, and I just think the information in this episode was really really mind blowing, and you don't you don't know what you don't know. And when somebody presents an option to you. And you're like, I've never heard of that before your first thought might be to be like, oh, whatever that's garbage. But this guy is showing you you can do this. You don't have to have some fancy background. He didn't he had a less than ideal childhood. His parents filed for bankruptcy. They were farmers who had no money. His sister passed away at a very early age all of these things really don't make you think like warm and fuzzy thoughts, and he didn't just sit there and let that define him. He kinda stupid about it in high school for a while. But then he righted his ship, and he went to the military. He fixed himself. He is gonna. To be financially independent. I don't think we ever asked him. How old he is? I think he's in his early thirties who retires their early thirties. Nobody that doesn't happen except it does happen at. He is an amazing example of what can be done when you put your mind to it. So please show this episode with anybody that you have in your life that you think could benefit from it. Okay. Now from episode sixty eight of the bigger Puckett's money podcast. This is Scott trench and Mindy Johnson. And we are out of here.

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Below the Belt ISH (ft. Male Birth Control & Pap Smears)

Adult ISH

38:01 min | 1 year ago

Below the Belt ISH (ft. Male Birth Control & Pap Smears)

"Y'All ever hear the term keep it. It's pretty much when something trash happens. You're like Nafta Bam. You can keep it well. That's what host Ira Madison the third and Louis Louis Bertel do with what's going on in pop culture and politics their podcast called. Keep it by crooked. Media is a weekly show where they talk with guests like Kristen Bell Mandy Mandy Moore Decent Mero and big Freda about what the flip is going on in those worlds this week. Keep it talking to Chelsea handler about her new documentary about about white privilege. It's going to be a good one so make sure to check it out new episodes of keep it drop every Wednesday so subscribe on Apple podcasts stitcher or wherever ever you get your podcasts. Hey Al this is Dacia Veronica of yes clean and you are listening to adultish. Go go go ooh ooh. Hey BECCA season one grave. It's your boy and it's you girl Merck and a welcome to its all ish by why our media a show produced by and for young and young at heart folks who are trying take out their adult so for those of you who are new to the show sometimes we figure out our H. through interviews or roundtables influencers homeys homeys other times. It's through storytelling hopefully by the end of every episode you'll be able to be adulting experts like we too early twenty. somethings hope to We'll find out so to start off this new season. We originally wanted to episode on health and fitness because there's people the judge who are looking swell on their social media but it's gotta be something underneath the superficial surface but they ended up going into a lot of different directions west. North East south further south to below the belt if you know l. when I mean really describe where this below the belt is came from. We have to go back to a story that I definitely remember but Merck probably why would I don't remember guys listen. Last year. We went on our first professional. They flew us out to Chicago. I'm not gonNA say where was it was a radio conference that Raj with bird post in there airbnb Schilling Chilin liquid curried flowing over here doing handstands and playing patty cake in the kitchen gene with our bosses day and night just being boring just sitting on the couch by himself watching Netflix excalibur. I was like honestly I out of place because everybody was shown off like really cool tattoos and I'm not at all like part those l. no here naked skin rides whatever anyway so. I'm scrolling through Netflix and I find a show called big mouth yes. Do you want us what you saw. If if you even remember do you remember that I remember I saw these cartoons schlongs and vaginas and hormone monsters. I was like Yo what is going on here but but also I was able to understand sex ED in body health in a way that I actually processed and understood because I know in school. I did not process any of that. I I totally agree so merck. What are we about to do. Well we decided to talk about these private areas because even though they're called private they're actually did not they're super public because what we choose to do with them usually ends up in political discussions and on social media and all that Mumbo jumbo so we're like. Do you know what it's time to do. Our hidden areas some public justice in yeah. My privates aren't super public but they super take so we decided to do was we decided to divide and conquer this thing. I get into a dull overall table with the homeys and a super bowl influence or that we got and we talk about the male birth control pill. I mean everybody listened like would you do it would do not do it. I Dunno mercury into well. I talked with wire media correspondent Charlie Stipe who gives me the T- on the P. Which is the truth behind? Probably how the exams so if you have a Jonah listen up really going in what I really never understood that until the tea on the P. Because you don't don't have a badge unless you you never know that's why I said my private part are private true. I'm trying to make them public. Merck anyways. Let's get into this so I don't know about y'all listeners but at least once a week whether it's on twitter or Combos my friends I hear about the horror stories about birth control for women and fun but not so fun fact the FDA approved the birth control pill for women over five decades gauge's ago and I'm pretty sure those exact same women have been asking why don't men have to deal with this same birth control nonsense to so for this episode so I looked into it and apparently the male birth control pill is passing early safety tests and I was like Yo like this is really happening. ADULTING is about look way different because of this non pack this today put together the dream. Team seem to come on Adultish so to my literal right. I got my boy Benny since we were in diapers. My little left. We got got my Joya Finley. I've been Francis High School and we go to the same college now and last but definitely not least exactly three hundred and seventy four vow miles away all the way in the studio Los Angeles by herself. We Got Dacia Veronica. Sorry about that Acre August. I feel the love I feel like I'm right there. If you guys in a little bit about she's the founder of yes queen fabulous lifestyle L. Slash entertainment website for women and before that she was cranking out viral videos at buzzfeed that all of us definitely have seen everybody welcome to the the male birth control the data for a it's very exciting topic the how to start this off is we're going to go around to everybody and in three words or or less let me know what the first thoughts come into your head or whatever about male birth control so majoria then beanie than Dacia male birth control excited exciting or less or last year cool exciting. That's very exciting for me. Yeah Binney Bernie what you think you said three words less. I think not all right. We'll be able to get into it and they say it's about time back. Okay Yeah so my mother you're going to be. I don't know I don't know Lord Oram so today if the. FDA told us that male birth control is now a thing. How many guys think that your friends are your partners will be like? Oh shoot like let me share the burden on the pill. I don't think they'll share it. I'll think still have like you know my from being here new friend because you you know it's it's more of a woman thing which is kinda messed up. I mean we we're hearing a lot of it coming from from any of them sure everybody's wondering uh-huh okay. What's your cash but what what why. Why is it a I think not what? Where does that come from? W is scary. I don't know like this something new. Why why do I need it. I've been doing so without now while I'm doing. What's your response to that. It's hard because I was thinking about this to myself where I'm like. Yes it's about time but at the same time just especially after having produced the video I did so I did a video where I had men when I worked at Buzzfeed try a placebo task so they were taking tic tacs regularly like as if it was birth control and Loyd seeing them struggle through that I was like I want it to exist but it's not gonna be for my generation. It's going to be for the next generation of women women because men are not going to get on that train easy. I already saw already saw since you brought up your video. Let's let's talk about that. Let's get into that so a while back. You were doing this video with buzzfeed need and obviously you couldn't like mimic. symptoms like weight gain or like mood swings or anything like that but you did try to make it a little hard for themselves like you tell us about like some of the rules you have for that experiment. Yeah I mean it was interesting because like you said I couldn't give them the full experience but it was even funny knowing knowing that the little bit I did give them. They stole a gold like unbelievable. Okay so one of the rules was that they had to pick up the pills for me at a prescribed time just because as women you know. I lose a lot of time having to go to the pharmacy. I tell tell you I swear to God. It's like crazy. How many times I've gone to the pharmacy and I'm like I come here every month. Why aren't y'all got my stuff ready and they'll be like oh. Can you just float around for like twenty minutes and my pharmacies and target so you know it's just like my wallet is a black hole in all this money the fifty what did they have to do what if they missed a day or anything like that yes okay so that was my favorite so if they missed a day then they had to refrain from sexual activity or masturbation and then they also had to wear a pad with a period like substance in it when you were like doc so I had a friend. She actually had done a video. It was men have periods for the first time and so she he had a blood like recipe to pass on to me. It's like cornstarch almost yeah so that was the plan and she was like yeah. Klotz really good so we'll get a nice terrible never experiment with experiment. What surprised you the most about it well. I thought it was really interesting so I had a doctor. Come in and talk to the guys about halfway through through and I think the interesting thing was the doctor talking about the process of what it would take to bring male birth control along and I think you know I I for me as someone who's a feminist. I'm just like I can't believe it's been this long. We still ain't got mail birth control but listening to her talk about it. I was like I guess I kind of see why and and it's because men have they produce millions of sperm every day and that's a harder thing to suppress than it is to suppress one eggs and so like you know understanding that because she was like you know if male birth control were to ever come about she was like there's a good chance if it were during the pill form guys would have to take multiple pills. It was a day and I was like Lord watching them struggled through just this one fifth tack and like I was like I couldn't trust. You couldn't trust you susa like if if it did come out today would you trust your partner like give us like oh no yeah I'm. I'm on the pill. I'm appeal that questions for you to my joyous honestly honestly I don't know just off of experience my experience with guys. I just feel like us. Women are more prompt with it. We're we're more problem. Yeah Yeah because we care. We're the ones going to have to bear the kids so we want to take extra extra precautions yeah so majoria. You had an instagram GRANDPA's that went viral recently when you shared your story about an experience you had with birth control. I know it wasn't the pill but can you tell us a little bit about what went down with yeah so the post basically was my. Ud being rejected out of my my uterus and it caused me to go into septic shock vomiting. FOOF foof passing out hot flashes everything the whole nine almost literally died yeah so it was really crazy but before then I take the pill didn't work taken. The devil shot got really crazy. Side effects wait yeah swings depression. It was just crazy. SOM- like when my doctor introduced the IUD Steve Now had it for about four years before became defective figured out it moved out of my uterus insoles in the wrong place the entire for years. Thank God nothing happened. Yeah then then yeah in like March of this year had a period for the whole entire March then it didn't end until April six. That's when I went to the doctor then they're like. Oh your ideas in the wrong place and I'm like wow and then they took it out. Put another one in and I should have thought more better like okay if the first one got rejected take this. I don't take the second one but me. I'm just thinking I just want to be on yeah. I think I know what I trust you. Trust you with you know my healthcare and and so they put another one in that same day literally probably like seven hours go by in the emergency room because I'm here. I have septic shock. I'm still trump is about it to be on his in fact as you store it brings up the crazy side effects and I came home with birth control or something like that as well so I mean to you know take a little pressure off a beanie here I know like do you feel like you know given what you've been through. you kind of understand men apprehensive nece. I do understand. I do understand that and I totally I agree with why you wouldn't WanNa do that because no one wants to just get depression or just gain a bunch of weight out of nowhere just have but it just like woman we had to suffer for that for a lot of years and years and years and I feel like it's time to take some accountability Vinnie. I'm curious. Would you be embarrassed like to tell the people that you're on birth control and stuff like that like your home. He was talking to meet right now. Abra was that I don't know obviously if I were take it in and I was like I wouldn't hide that does in the end. It's just benefiting me like I'M GONNA use. It is helping me what I gotTA. Be Ashamed about that. I'm doing this for myself. You don't really no matter what you think. You'd be up front about it. Though like you'd be like is that you know me I mean I would. CBS Shame on low key to being a one hundred keeping an eye. I'd probably hide it from you. I keep it on the low because because I mean there's no luggage came experimental. I'm I'm tripping one day and he that's not on birth control. You know he likes honey. What if they don't know why you tripping and they just worry bro. You tripping out right. Now is regularly like I actually have a point and they're trying to throw it on my my birth control. That's all I'm saying. That's what I'll be. I'll be trying to but but women have to go through this on on a daily. That's the trip like many it's GonNa be found out that the side effects for birth control. We're going to be weight gain. Dizziness decreased sex drive and decreased sex drive so my point is like my main aimed basis of taking the birth control would be exactly yeah. It's kind of defeating the purpose. NSA was gone and said I don't I don't won't decrease always never backwards. I Dunno no no you would you. Would you not take it though if you if you found out that those were the side effects like you could deal with that defense. I'm one minute. I'm thinking you might take next the might not. I don't like what I'm hearing those sorts but I like that he's grappling with it. I think that for the earlier stages of men that are going to try and get get on this boat like I already loved that like you wouldn't be ashamed to take it. It's more so just the what is happening with the risks and stuff with with the men when I just feel like like we could be working towards making the woman's one better why expand all this time to try to create something new when you can build upon something that you've already started saying not yeah but I feel like those things should be probably happening like simultaneously they should be working on an one and an working towards better and like the side effects that Mike Listening. Most of them are the same exact same for women so yeah yeah exactly honestly. I think you've birth control comes out for men. I honestly think is going to be safe is going to be an every flavor energy drinks. They're gonNA make accessible. It's GonNa. It's GonNa be on the counter like condoms and I probably won't be using it but yeah that's what I was hearing about the the like lotion out of jail. I was filling that one item. I was feeling that one but I don't know it sounded like this. Where do you put beans the clutch closer real quick and we put it on my house. May just online aren't many looking forward looking forward into the future say you know you're a parent and you senator your daughter. which could do you think you'll be more comfortable talking to about birth control? Honestly it's relationship with my kids is going to be easy to talk either one of them. I'm beat a friend in their parents. Be Able to talk to. You got to be able to talk to your kids who are going to talk to get advice. My friends and I know more friends. Oh so that's what I do so now. We have this up at the top. I'm going to go around and ask everybody that same question when you hear the words male birth control. What are you thinking now. Let's start with modular finally finally okay. Okay Benny. Let me hear Mellberg control. I don't know the whole it but no I was just like why would I have is the second ago. Viewpoint changed a little because there's a harden was Morris. Chestnut digs would go out. I'm happy I'm okay. Eh say the same however you WanNa save you try they they should what are you thinking. Mellberg control still here for US Mellberg. Let anything what a what am I. What is your thought African Charles. I'm GONNA take control. I would it bro. I wish all all right well. I want to thank the Dream Team one last time for coming out to talk about male birth control make sure to follow my joy on Instagram and read her viral post at underscore. You're all about joy underscore as for binny's handle. We're not legally able to say that. Oh okay so he was really tasty but I'm telling you that's not him so he's got on a plane That's my yeah just d voire adults will slide. US context and last but definitely not least follow Dacia Veronica Ronca Veronica on instagram and twitter and make sure to check out her website. Yes clean life dot com for everything from stories of struggle and Yeah yes clean life dot com for all the above even healthy recipes. Guess Clean Life. Does it all thank you guys so much in on that note we we thank thank you what's up adultish fam- we want to introduce you to a podcast for marketplace that we'd know you'll love. It's called this is uncomfortable. It's a weekly weekly show that drops Thursdays about life and how money messes with it we all know adulting ain't easy and surprise dealing with money is even harder. This is uncomfortable stuff like what happens when one person relationship is way more debt than the other. Ooh And what happens with the thing that makes you cry at work. I I can definitely relate to that one. This show is funny a little tints and I might even say a little uncomfortable so subscribe to this is uncomfortable wherever you get your podcasts so young Merckel yes yes. What are you thinking. Let me get let me get shared. Three words male birth control chill. Ill pill chill pill wow. I don't know why I expected you to say something normal. Let me explain myself with your shutting me down so that's literally why that's why we all love you because hey pill came to your brain. I mean I could get into Mr. I'm going to be super hybrid talk in my High Boys Roundtable Huh. I like talking about ooh people. Listen to me when I go okay well. I'm starting to anyway array on chill pill so it's chill because it's cool you know. Science has gotten us this far. Yes Science. It's ill because I I mean it's Kinda. Gross like you have to stop those the become to stop that from. I'm coming a also a pill. It's so that's why it's a chill. Ill Pill Yeah Yeah uh-huh anyways. Wha What is yours. I think we're done. I think we're done with the male birth control pill so so this segment was inspired by wire media high school interns and one day they were having a conversation mind you none of the guys showed up so they missed out out but because it was all females they're a day started talking about women's health and a huge mystery that no one really knew about was public exams and PAP smears. Is there even a difference so that was the first question I asked Charlie and here's what she said. No a PAP smear is is a part of a pelvic exam a pelvic exam is in three parts and a PAP smear is the middle one and I'll talk more about all oh three parts if you so please little yes so a pelvic exam in its entirety has like external exam which is just checking out the vulva and then the PAP smear which is brushing off the cervix for cells that might lead to cervical cancer and then by manual exam meaning to hands is a probing of the uterus and you've had one right. Oh actually now. I don't even know because I know I got my badge checked. Okay I moved to New York. You work but now I don't even know if that was a public exam or a PAP Schmeel okay well. Do you want to describe what happened can classify as either a valve exam camera pap smear yeah yes doctor okay so. I was twenty one and my mom was like hey you need to go. Get you know your woman now my sister her she was like. Oh Yeah so the this metal deck peek inside your in screaming site so to describe what happened to me I go in my doctor was super chill all and she's like I'm just going to like stick so it was like a plastic thing that she stepped inside and they were Kinda like beaks and so when she was doing that she likes stuck this long q tip inside of me in like scrape or you know swabbed and it felt weird but she was virtual and I was like Yo. I'm so sorry if I quit on you. Choose like Oh it's okay you know it happens but I've had people pee on me before so you can't do worse than that. Oh my God yeah. It must be so crazy be a guy. No because vaginas are so unpredictable. It's it's a whole new world down there. Well okay. It sounds like what Oh you experience was a pap smear specifically because you mentioned a plastic tool which is the spectrum which does the scraping of the cells and Q. Tips are also used to brush off like any mucus or blood. If you're on your period Steve Jobs are so hard core. I'm on my period right now and I'm trying to like. Oh shoot feel less your soul less your vagina. I'm trying to feel like mindful about it. So why don't we get into like how you know. All all this stuff you talked with a medical professional about public exams right yeah exactly that there should be a preface that I am not a medical professional. I am a seventeen seventeen year old girl who was curious how pelvic exams and went and talked to a lovely Dr Vanessa Jacoby who's GonNa College Est Practicing in San Francisco so that's how I know it independent research in an interview okay. I'm a reporter not a medical professional. That's everything should be taken with a grain of salt. Okay so thank you for that clarification. after I guess at one point you sat down with other y Armenia interns to ask them about what they know or didn't know about pelvic exams so we're GonNa play clip here and there and then have you unpacked the things that they said. Oh my God I can't wait. Do you just like like okay like I'm twenty one. Call it would be like I think I need one now like it's time for you to have mailers. Paul you and are like okay. You should come mean for like this checkup now. I don't know how that works. If you have a picture you would know you've had a patch. You'd be like it'd be a pop smear. It's not it just like a check. It's like okay you know I think what happens in a pap smears like the up and then they go up even further and then they scrape scrape. I don't know if it's a swab or scrape like put like clamps open it. I'M GONNA go out on a limb and say hey. There's my gosh so. That sounds like quite a bit to respond to so. Remind me why this is something. Women need to have okay so pap. Smears and pelvic exams are so important because what the passenger in the pelvic exams looking for is cells that may lead to cancer. You Know Oh they're scary enough. You don't need to be freaked out about it but it's like life or death. If you are not in touch enough to go check in with your vagina and and like care for it like it's really important to take care of your vagina in case you get cervical cancer or there's even like cyst there that needs to be taken care of. It's an unpredictable gorgeous beasts yeah so it can be uncomfortable. Especially if for example you have experience with sexual soul. Oh you know and then you know for some patients. It can actually be painful but it shouldn't freak you out. There's no clamps okay. This isn't like an SM thing like there's no oh clamps take us in case anyone was wondering yeah. I mean people were no clients. I don't think I ever asked you. Have you ever had a PAP smear yeah. I was almost afraid afraid. You'RE GONNA ask that no. I have not have not had a PAP smear. I'm seventeen and you don't have to get a PAP smear until you're twenty one and that's the truth. Wow So. What was it like to report on that as someone who hasn't had one yet? I mean like it doesn't necessarily freaked me out and maybe that's was a good reason. I'm I'm reporting because I'm curious. Yeah and I'm like have like dirty sense of humor so I'm like. I'm like unlike ooh what states like you know scary failing you. You know I had fun with. It probably a lot more fun than getting a pelvic exams going to be. I'm GONNA have to Google all his stuff or just like get a mirror mirror something 'cause I'll admit I'm I'm not the best when it comes to really knowing myself down. There and my mom calls me all the time she was like hey you're a woman woman you know and I know they taught us general stuff in sex Ed and that was in like sixth grade when I was really excited about you know getting that free deodorant in the puberty swag bag you ever get one of the. Oh Yeah I got one of those Do the entrance talk about that at all. Yeah we talked a little bit about education and about if we have it it it can be this like very loaded has attempting that doesn't necessarily promote openness with our bodies. You know my sex said was atrocious. my said was my teacher scrambling. She told us how flowers reproduced and then she told us she had herpes and then all the girls and boys were separated in different rooms in the boys talks about Boehner's and the girls. The teacher scrambled and was like okay Did you know that boys think about sex every five seconds and then we counted to Fi- for like fifteen minutes and that was sex ed so that is that's not even a good primer right there. I know and I go to an art school in the bay area. So it really makes you wonder from can only imagine I was lucky I had parents and grandparents who gave me you know somewhat misguided but relatively like a good start for a discoveries well not every woman whether there are seventeen twenty one or like you know even in their thirties or something they might not have access to this kind of information that you know you were able to get. It might be kind of obvious yes. But how dangerous do you think that is you're absolutely right. Ed The danger with that is not only teen pregnancy not only. STD's and not only possibly knocking a PAP smear but more specific to our topic is you know there's the doctor at USC where he had a lot lot of patients who were sexually assaulted by him but they didn't even know it like they didn't know till after they had this strange feeling and they knew that something thing was wrong but they didn't communicate it right away because they didn't have the education and that feeling of empowerment and so this man was like not using gloves touching them mm sexually washing them change and they didn't know to stand up for themselves. I think that's a huge danger in specifically talking about pelvic exams so can you tell us about some rights. You have as a patient during the exam. Absolutely let's start at the beginning all right so I there's going to be questioning section which is four your medical benefit fit but if the questions make you uncomfortable you can opt out. There should be no sense of judgment next changing their should give you a gown and they should leave the room. You should have your own space to change into the gown okay next in the exam section. There should never be a time. Where were they really use more than two fingers it's possible in the last part the by manual exam where they insert usually one or fingers and then put a hand on the outside of your stomach to probe the uterus for abnormalities so if you feel like they're doing something that just seems unexpected expected using like more fingers unnecessary or touching you in a sexual way. He can be like hey what is going on. Can you please like communicate with me and also if you feel sean comfortable going alone. You can have someone there in the room with you and you can leave at any time. I am like you can just grab her clothes and blow this jointly by well. I didn't know all those things. I want to thank you Charlie for giving us that lowdown lowdown Nice. 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Its The End Of The World And We Know It (And It Feels Good) (F**kin' Stoked!)

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Its The End Of The World And We Know It (And It Feels Good) (F**kin' Stoked!)

"From chronic to collapse town and into now that is this is are you talking? Rem remain the comprehensive and encyclopedic compendium of all things are. This is good. Rock and roll Hey welcome to the show. Welcome back to the show. I should say are you talking? Rem reme- My name is Scott. Occupant I'm one of the host of are you talking? Rem Romy one of one of the main hosts. I would say certainly one of the when you think of the are you talking. Rem Ramey family. I'm definitely one of the BAY member. Aim Okay member. Welcome to the show if you think about it. I'm sorry to interrupt so early in the program. This really early. I know as far as this program does. It's like four. Am technical well if you really think about it like really really really think about okay. I have been doing that so let me try to ray really think about exactly so if you really to sit back. Pull up an Ottoman Just slip your shoes off and think and just may clasp your hands behind your head. Relax am I sitting sitting on the Ottoman or I'm sitting on a chair and not shut the fuck up. You're sitting certain. A A relaxing share CERTA likes. Dad's easy chair his recliner. Yeah it's maybe a little charade around the edges but we love it for that fact little frayed around the edges and watch out seven o'clock when the news starts stay away from that chair. That's DAD's chair. Yeah he's going to get home. We're going to give him the big piece of chicken. And then he's GonNa on Buckle. Those belts will take those pants all the way down to the stick and just start stroking it right in front of all. They're stroking eating chicken with known. You just getting chicken grease all over all SEC. Well The News Coaching Dan. Rather I was going to say we have a big program. Here this is our quarantine special. Obviously it's the end of the world and we know it and adamant I you've been a we're going to go through a lot happening in the REM camps surprisingly We're GONNA go through what's been going on a little later but Adam you've been sequestered. Yeah we you know sticking sticking by the homestead as they say who says that. What a wonder Hoffy you have. It sounded Nice Right. Yeah very relaxing. You you're not. You're not sick right because I just coughing but that it may be because you waited until the recording started to start eating. That's right now. You're you're clearing all of the residue of your whatever it is. You're eating out of your throat. That's right there was. I was so frantically trying to get this microphone and Mike. Mike Computer ended up only having one. Usb Port a vendor. Ui under you. Had It in there right now or your computer and plugging you can't power it and plug something into it. Same time which doesn't have like a power cord thing not a separate one. It's all one it's just a headphone Jack and the USB Okay USB port anyway. So I'm using AMI's computer and how does she feel about that? She doesn't know you're hiding this from her. This is going to be hard to in quarantine. She's GonNa find out eventually. I'm not only hiding this from her. But shall we say I have a few secrets? Okay I was going to say this is like the worst time for anyone. Who's trying to hide? Not only in a fair but or or just trying to hide anything from a loved. One that you're sharing a space from Or sharing space with you know if you if you if you have a secret. Bubbling under the surface like. It's all going to come out you know. We are in close quarters here in America and one of my secrets is that I have seven to twelve fully grunt tigers that I keep in the backyard. What you keep them in the in the backyard of the House that you share with Naomi you know. As soon as I started making a little scratch I started investing giant deadly cats when you say giant demean more giant than the regular size or just giant as as opposed to humans or regular Scott. These cats are twelve to fifteen inches. Long these are giant. Roche's animals way that you're saying they're a foot long just twelve inches that's it. I mean that's like I don't know cats. I Dunno cats all that well I've been around approximately probably four hundred thousand of them but From from what you don't you don't know from what I could tell most cats most common house cats tabby cats right are maybe a foot in length or are you talking with. Yeah talking with an like these these cats these are cats the they have the exact same measurements. Both both with wise and lengthwise and and depth. These are these are like cubes. That's right there you cats. Are you sure their cats in there not just like like furniture bought bigger boxes like Bach? Did you move recently? I did okay. Do do any of them have like anything. Written in marker on the side of them like living room or bookshelf. Any of these walls. Each cat is completely different. Each cat is completely different. One I I came up with cool names for each one of them. One is called bedroom and they're the cutest cutest one which also happens to be the biggest one. His name is store in at a store in. That's beautiful name for a cat. Isn't it so tell me Scott how about you? As far as the the old the big Q goes the quarantine. Yeah well Scott's world you know the big Q for me. Usually it means Cunanan. I'm a big queues barter. One hundred percents waiting for those Q. Drops droplets of Hughes droplets of wisdom. Thank you daddy q now that the the virus hoax has taken over Schumer yet the Q. Is slowed down a little bit. I I've been basically I've been here at home and I haven't been doing much I You know wrote only three screenplays and that's yeah I wrote. I wrote King Lear five times five times. Yeah I I basically just transcribed it because I mean if there are any hearing impaired people out there listening to this show right now Who WERE TIRED OF WATCHING King Lear? Videotapes of King Lear. And they're like what are they saying? I've I have five transcriptions for five hearing impaired listeners. Who write to us. I'm able to send those out now. Is there any difference between each of the five or are they exactly the same? There are tiny tiny differences. Like I put I put. I put the word Fart into the dialogue in different places in each five. So we'll just Kinda make you laugh. You'll be like you know fart. Yeah that a lot like that. Yeah that was a good laugh. Is that your normal f. Say something funny. Okay What's black white and red all over the newspaper? Ha Si. That's I I mean you just happen to grab one of my favorite jokes out of your joke. Grab bag and so that really hit the spy on. Yeah yeah that's one that lasts the test of time after you hear it the first time you can still laugh at that exactly is hard every single time. You hear that joke I have another good one I is this another episode of another good one. I believe it is everyone. Welcome to another good one. This is Scott in this is Scott and we're talking about good ones today. Obviously we always talk about good ones and Adam you're saying before we started. You have another good one. I do have another good one And this is a real good one to. It's an Oldie but goodie as they say. Do you know what that that saying. You're you're going to have to explain it to me. Well it means like like the joke about to tell it's been around a while right like exactly so it's an older joke but it's really good and it stands the test time. Your Dad told me this joke. No but you know he could of. Because it's been a I think I heard it when I was twelve years old. Nice still pop this one out every you were basically just about to start experiencing what we in the Biz Call Pugh bt and you which business that. The business of going out there and tracking developmental re develop child developmental psychology. I guess is what you would call it right the business. We're in the business of child. Developmental Psychology we call it puberty. And you were just about this. Yeah you're about to start experiencing that and you. I remember. It was actually my biology teacher that told this joke and I remind me to go to another story about this biology teacher. Who'S THE GUY? But he started teaching us about masturbation and voice. That would no no no sorry not teaching about masturbation it was he was just talking about it no no he was not he was talking about. Okay remind me that wonderful story what I was going to say is. We're this is still an episode of another. One are good ones good ones. Yeah I think I think it's I think the name of this show is another good one. Well you said you had another good ones but I believe the title of the show is good ones. We could started separate side show called another good one okay. We need to do that okay. Here we go everyone. Welcome to another episode of another good one. This is Scott and this is Scott and Adam before the show you said you had another good one. Oh Kevin just said it's called another good one. It is right so this is. This is the second this is well. This is a separate show. I mean you know how shows can have the same time so what? Yeah so much cares who cares. So here's the joke an Oldie but goodie meaning. It's been around awhile but it's it has high quality There's a standard did it needs And it's been around a while so that's basically what Oldie but goody got mean Scott already to email you. I'm a lot like Bob. I'm on board. Okay are you ready? I'm ready I will hold on. Yeah I e Yeah Yeah Okay here it is and again this is an Oldie but goodie and and it's been around a while it's been around awhile. It's very good but also ties into your psychology teacher who I'm just waiting for the stand so I could get your the back half of this story about him but go ahead. Okay so this I take it out of my joke. Grab bag we each. Have we have the right to the left of us as we record yet and we tie it onto our tied onto what I mean? I know the answer. I just want to make sure the listeners. We we tied onto our suspenders. Sure of course. Of course we do. We each have mark for more suspenders rainbow. Suspenders ON I. I Call. I call them. The gods belt suspenders. Because I'm wearing a superman t shirt right you. You call them. God spelled suspenders. I Call Them ORCS and we put them on before every show and we have a joke. Grab Bag tied to laugh. Right to the suspender. Yeah always the left always. They'll left if it's on the right. The right isn't funny. Left is funny right. Not Funny if it's not left you are bereft. If it's on the right that isn't right exact- that's how you remember it. And we repeat that twenty times face to face before each show and we and we don't even care. I think that's how each of us got sick. Yuck and Winder Quarantine Right now. 'cause we are getting into each other's mouths Okay so here. It is again giddy. I picked it for you. This is another good one. Obviously and it's been around awhile it's been around for a while and the quality is very good. Oh my God okay. What did one fly say to the other? What did one fly? So there's one fly yet and then there's another fly to flowers. Essentially they they come across each other. I don't know if they're in the air flying or if they're well actually when you hear the punchline which again is very high quality it's been around a while an Oldie but a goodie but it is another good one when you hear the punch line. I think it'll help explain the setting at least a little bit bright you know. Flies are interesting because they are named after the verb that they they do most often and that's fascinated doesn't doesn't really figure into this joke of it other than when I say what is one flight say the other you know what I'm talking about I'm talking about. I'm not talking about the The verb the verb. But it's like calling someone a jerk off. That's the verb. They do most often. So that's why you call them that. Journalists are the flies of human beings. That's right because they're constantly jerking but also they're able to achieve flight exactly exactly all right. I'm ready for this punchline. My man that's why they're jerking off so much because you can only fly as you're jerking back a lot of people don't know that have you ever had a. Do you have dreams or you're flying. Yeah I've had them use you? You sound very dismissive of them very pedophile. Well it's been a while Woah Woah So Okay my. My memories of the flying dreams are our foggy but my memories of this joke or not so here. We go here. We go and fly say to the other. I I'm stumped. I could not even hazard a guess. You know it also punchline to this when I when I say it's going to be funny but also you'll see why it was my biology teacher that told it it'll explains masturbating conversationalist Blah Blah teacher. Both the setting of where the flies are having. This conversation will become at least a bit more clear but also you'll be able to ascertain why it was a biology teacher. In what context he was using it. Exactly the context both the flies that are being portrayed in the joke and where I heard the joke in nineteen eighty six always be regarded thereabouts all right and again. This is a very high quality blinds flying for quite a while for quite a while. This is when we talk about another good one. This is exactly what we're talking about right. That's good yes. I've not heard the punchline yet but I'm assuming if Adam if you brought it to the table it's gotTa be good and this is what we mean when we talk about another good one is because exactly things like this hour. Joke grab bags. I don't want to speak for you Scott but I think I can because I know we always do. Please do similar issues with our back. These joke grab bags. Get heavy so you don't want to put a joke in there. That's not of high quality You don't want extra weight because these things we record the show in. Its vigorous workout. Because WE'RE GATHERING THIS JOKE. Grab bag honor suspenders. And we're on. We're doing basically spin classes while we record this show as well. We're on exercise bikes and were were wearing stilts. Yeah I mean all three of these things when you combine them. It's like the triathlon of podcasting being on stilts being on an exercise bike on stilts while having these joke grab bags tied to our left. Suspender crazy. But it's also explains why we're both in great shape. Yes super fucking ripped. Okay so here we go. We go been around for a while punchline. What flights say to the other he said or she doesn't matter it doesn't matter they said. Okay one fly say to the other. I don't I actually don't know excuse me. Is this still taken Excuse me excuse me is still excuse me? Excuse me the stool is still take. Excuse me as this tool steak tools taken. It's taken knows it that Is it? Dhoti think you're turning it into a. I'm just trying to figure out exactly if I maybe if I mix up the consonants and the vowels maybe it'll make more sense to me Oh do not and to to be to be it did do. I don't know I I don't understand it. Oh okay well again. Who's in a biology class because implies biology? Yeah that's right. How well that is what we're talking about when we talk about another good one. This has been Scott and this got and we'll see you next time. Thanks bye bye. Great APP was a great I I'm a big fan of that show and now that we're in the other podcast also called another good one. I just WANNA tip my hat to our sister. Show another good one. We love him. We have no problem with them. Being named no no no the exact same name as our show. No it's fine. There's no confusion in the marketplace. As far as I'm concerned now it's Z. Marketplace's enough for everyone. There's enough for everyone all right. We'll see you on the next episode of another good one bye bye. That was all right. It was okay. Yeah but I think the APP the other another good buying other show. Yeah that was substantive classic classic podcasting. Right there really good solid older joke now. I feel like we need to get back to this other story about your biology teacher. You sort of hyped it in that Episode of the other show. I would love to hear about it. That's right so just after remember correctly because so he was. It was Human biology so he was teaching with this junior high school or Middle School so we were twelve thirteen years old and it was he was. We're going into sex ED. And he was talking about. Was He in charge of the sex? Ed or was he just like hey to get you ready for this sex. That another teacher is teaching. No tell you a little bit. Was teaching us the very basics of Genitalia. Whatever and he was talking about I've talking lower because I'm in the living room of of my house He was talking about like a the Yankee lading are you. Are you talking lower because your children have never heard any of this information? You haven't had that talk with them yet. No they don't even know that we're in Los Angeles. Why so I have to be very very careful about the stuff I say. You don't WanNa reveal where you are right now know. We can't know where we are. That's one of my main. Rules is apparent. We know where we are. Do you put. Do you put like cloth bags over their head when you take them to school so they have no idea how to to fixate Their location I just have all the windows blacked out except for I have special classes where I can see through the black. That's right right so then they make special glasses. Are Those like the x Ray goggles that used to see advertised in comic books? That's exactly what they are. They're x ray goggles which totally work. And I have all of the windows painted with Black Paint. So you can't see our except if you have x-ray glasses on that's so if you ever if you're ever driving around Los Angeles and you see of Van with blacked out windows and what's the color of the Van The color of the van. Oh did I bring my kids to school in short? Yeah it's fluorescent orange. Okay so if you ever see car or a van rather that that looks akin to a jackal lantern. Yeah it has a big Kind of jack-o-lanterns. Face on the front of it. Oh it does okay great and like a Pumpkin top. What do you call the top of Pumpkin? That thing that sticks out on the top a pumpkin top pumpkin top. So if you end do you have one of those on top. That sorta like the antenna. That's right and it is an antenna because I need to know exactly what's going on. I have all of my people out there that are sending me all the information. I need to know to just to get around that day. Definitely definitely so now. What did biology teacher say right so he was just talking about like ejaculated a teaching us about like sperm and stuff what it tastes like. No he was just very going to dry Just kind of just telling us a business. GotTa be the worst. This has gotta be the worst thing. That teacher is instructed to do like. I'm sure it was not soon. You know it's not his ideas you know what I mean. It's not like something he wants to do. I'm sure it's something that like. Hey you know we gotTa Start Teaching. This and you've been elected sincere the biology teacher. That's right and it's and he was the coolest teacher he's His name is Mr Pini. He was awesome. He really is the coolest guy so he So he's talking about all this and at the time I was like thirteen. I had just recently discovered Masturbating right so I was like you discovered yourself doing it or someone else Luckily it was myself but it seems like and I was right when you kind of figure that out. And you're like Oh man. This is opened up an entirely new window of an entirely new reality for me. Yeah I will never again be bored. There's always something to do even in these times exactly so I remember in the middle of all this Teaching I thought to myself like because I didn't know anything about what I was doing and if I was doing something wrong or what was going on so remember in class. I raised my hand and I asked him. I said so if a person to get this straight if a person is because he was talking about intercourse I said if like a grownup was having intercourse like I duNno. Seven to ten times a day And ended up Accumulating seven to ten day. Is that like bad? Is there anything wrong with that? Could could that person could that harm. The person just like a grown up if they were doing you got to do this in front of your entire class. Yes because I got so stupidity. You're couching it enough with like earier changing enough details the fact that it was a grown-up and it was during actual intercourse. They'll never like this never and everyone because we were like tables like group tables like in a science class everyone at my table just like turned and looked at me like what and it was like. That's one of those things where I told you. Think about it. I tell the story now and I still get like. I feel the sweat on the back of my neck. I gotta ask what what was the answer he said. Yeah you could your addict full of Shit. Yeah so you haven't done it since. No no no no. Oh God no. That's really bad for you. Yeah okay ooh boy. I think he knew exactly what was coating on school as can be about. What a nice guy I that that is. I mean I've I've gone to. I've gone to high and junior highs and talk to kids just about like show business whenever I have like whenever you have a friend or an alma mater or whatever reaches out to you. Hey can you come talk to the kids? And it's always a mixed bag of like how they react because you 'cause some there have been some times when I've talked to people and they've been like very wrapped in attention and they've asked me really interesting questions. And then there are the Times where the kids are just sarcastic. Dick's like I was when I the difference being when I was that age and being a sarcastic I was actually hilarious and these kids are not so yeah I mean that's just gotTa be a terrible terrible He has to have not new stomach going to work that day. Like I do the sex thing with these dumb. They were GonNa make fun of me. Finish saying what what you were saying about like the mixed bag of. Yeah I mean just you know you never know if you're GONNA get like kids who are just like making fun of every single thing you say and everyone laughing at you you know and I remember like that we would have speakers come to our schools a lot. I remember Edward Edward Albee came to our high school and worked with like twenty of us and I got picked and I got picked because I was like creative in Rhode stuff you know. Wow I also was like just doing comedy You know by the time I was a senior. I was like deep into Letterman. Doing like I had my own public access show and we're just doing comedy stuff and that's all. I was interested in so all I did with Edward. Albee was like do sarcastic questions and stuff and he got. He Got Silver Australia with me. I feel terrible about now but I was also God. This is like really funny surprise. Winning genius like what an opportunity for a as someone who then started writing plays and right and in screenplays like I could have asked him any question about story structure or anything but then again when you're in high school what are you know about story stretching. That's that's the youth is wasted on. The young as is Again did you come up with that? I did I just not just now but I is that another good one. It's another good one. We gotta go back. Well yeah the sister show to another good one. So if you're if you're listening to us for the first time you instead meant to listen to another good one stay you'll maybe you'll like this show hosted by US also hosted by US exactly. I'll do respect to the other show. They're doing a great job over there. Doing a great job so now. Adam before the you know why we started this episode of another good one because right before the show you said something. That just was so good. I just thought to myself God Zeus. Another good one. What exactly was well. It's it's it's fun because you know another good one can be referring to a joke like before like The joke about the the two flies that we discussed earlier. That was super funny. That was this show definitely. That was not our sister. Show fused as to which we were but we aren't. The show is talked about the fly joke. Yes the show. Yeah Yeah clearly lear. -Ly so thanks for thanks for all of the all of your emails and tweets and everything about our last episode about the fly joke. Yeah it was. Thanks for really enjoying that episode. I mean we tried. We worked really hard on that episode. So we're really glad you enjoyed it yet. Thanks everybody And for those of you who are like tweeting us about our sister show and that episode being really thin and not very substantive That we're not them. Send those tweets and emails to them. You know they're like we have no control over the quality of their show and the the twitter account for that show and the show is the same accounts. Sam Don't send that stuff to us we don't we don't want to see it and we had we share the same. We share the same email and we share the same computer and the same meet bodies Because people sure but we don't want we don't want to read that but we don't want any part of that shit okay. Yeah all due. Respect to them Yes so the fun thing about it like I was saying Was another Goodwin can refer to a joke or just to saying or just a turn of phrase. It can be anything really what I said earlier in our condo on the show. We're talking about Kids you know younger kids now stupid. They are in so I just kind of threw out there. Like youth is wasted on the young other. Good one. Yeah it's really funny. It's really good. I really enjoyed that. Yeah welcome you're welcome all right. Well we'll see you next time. Thanks bye was. That's not as good as that. You know I listened to the previous APP about the fly joke and that was really funny. It had like a great joke in the middle of it. It was really strong up and then I gotta say I was let down. I think I'll send a strongly worded tweet. Any email to those hosts about how they've gone downhill and that it's not fair to me. The listener the customer. If you wouldn't mind just because I don't want to sit down and write and email but if you could just tell you what's part of that are you. Do you not want to do the sitting down part or the writing the email. I don't want to write an email because if I do. I can't do it standing up because my arms don't work with my legs are extended so so a win. Your legs are moving your arms stop moving and vice versa. No they they move but they have to be Preparing a meal. So if you're sending an email I have to sit down but if you could just include me in that in the spirit of the email and sure to sign it would or do you just want to be included in the spirit included in the spirit of it and worded strongly. How strongly do you want this worded? You want mild d want it medium or do you want to Spicy Hot Kellyanne? Yeah put a little kick in it if you know what I mean. I know exactly what you mean. Give it Bam little naive little Amaral Gaspe. Yeah just like Bam I might sign it. Amaral as well so they think it's from include him on this because I'll see you tomorrow. Yeah maybe I`ll. Bcc him yet BCC him. Let's let's leave. Twenty to choose during the quarantine is probably in a room going him over and over. Do you think he went shopping like does he have enough to like his is his kitchen? That would be the ultimate irony if like he was going to go to the market but next day and he's just sitting there alone with no food. I think he has a a stocked pantry. Yeah I don't think he has like a pantry filled with non perishables. Yeah probably he's probably okay. We don't need to worry about Emerald Right. Yeah gives a fuck all right. Look we need to take away? Do you know he's great? He's Great Guy Right. Nothing about nothing has come out about him right there. E Best Okay. He's good we like Emerald Right. Oh God yes no. Yeah sure Emerald. If you're listening we love you more than like. It's we love. We Love Love love more than that him. I would say I'm in love with him. Deeply I am not in love with him with Emerald Legacy love. Love Love You Admiral. Passion like passionately like I want to talk Amaral Agasi one hundred per cent. Oh Okay we do need to take a break Adam is that okay yes sure I literally I have nothing else to do. That's why we're doing this episode. Let's take a break when we come back we've obviously been talking about. Rem this episode. We're GONNA CONTINUE STAT. Nonstop. 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Listen in Stitcher Apple Polka spotify or have you got your podcast back. Are you talking? Rem Reimi special quarantine episode. It's the end of the world and we know it. I'm here with Adam. Scott how are you buddy? Can you hear me? Yeah I can hear you. How are you okay? Ooh Scott doing great. I'm doing doing great. You're doing great okay. That's good to know doing great as an like an like I'm doing Superman Superman does good. You're doing well. You know that. Saying the e yeah. I'm doing good. It's like now Superman Superman. How how often do you find yourself saying that Superman does good? You're doing well. Yeah once twice every ten minutes yet. That's good that's A. I mean that is good. Can I say that's good? Superman says that's good. You say that's well Welcome back to the show. We are of course here to keep you up to date with all the news. And I got to say a lot of The activity from the Michael Stipe portion of the Ram Camp Yeah. The quarantine has has sped up the activity over there. He There have been a couple of missives from Michael Stipe. on I guess I don't know whether they were instagram videos or Youtube But I see sent out one urging everyone to wash their hands and stay inside. Was that the first one I think so. And and then he started singing. A like excerpts of songs right which was cool to see. And he's looking good. He's shaved that big letterman beard and Looking more like The the Michael Stipe of old And then he sent out this the second one and this is Interesting for our show because he is singing lyrics to a previously instrumental. Song is at right Adam. No there's lyrics There's a verse at the end of the song he start singing online search pageant. I've never heard them play that. Lavar or even heard it like at all played. Which Song is this? This is underneath? Yeah why don't we? Why don't we play this And a little bit of what he's doing here we go in you hiding. We shall high bonker in. I have watched. I have Rahm. Don Don Southcom the Bunka no and bunkering at home sheltering at home to being a part together separate. It's awesome. Yeah okay. Here's my dogs. One SEC SORRY. Oh Oh wait. You're leaving the show now. Yeah Oh my God this is. This is a perfect opportunity for me to finally steal the spotlight away from Adam. He had to go get as dumb dogs. And now I'm just hosting the show Solo. So that's That's pretty exciting for me. I've always kind of thought. Gosh what would this show be like? If Adam what I like to call the dead weight were not Bohai. He's back I'm back a were you say anything while I no no no. I was just kind of talking. About how like? Oh man we need Adam. This would be terrible if if he never comes back good. Yeah but you're here. You're here yeah. Here yeah you know I do think these this is awesome to hear him saying that That song what do you think it's wait. So so that does have words Indie life's rich pageant version yet. Play the lectures President version. And here we go. I can hear it coming out of your head playlists. It's towards is okay but obviously there's an effect on that and so I I guess I never really understood what he was saying before now. Adam yeah yeah neither did. Jesus sorry I know if you were still listening to the song or I'm not anyway but So and then and then Mike goes on to talk about like. Hey everyone stay inside which we are also saying as well right. Stay inside yes. I don't want to catch your fucking bullshit. My God I mean yes it's true. Isn't it crazy that that's not being every once a while I'll have to? I'll have to go to like an essential thing like the market or I had to go to a doctor Appointment that was like like something that you have to go to right and I'll do the bathroom the other day where you don't have a bathroom in your house. You know what we do but I like public restrooms. It's just something I go like. A claim jumper something like that led to the claim jumper down in Burbank. I like love. And they're closed down. What but it was still pretty packed in there. I gotta say act really and the Bar. People are just going out. Yeah but every time. I'm driving around out there. I see just groups of like ten high school kids hanging out walking down the street together and I'm just like what are you doing? I was walking the dog Z. Other day and this pack of kids were walking up the sidewalk toward me and the dogs were like sniffing something is just standing there and and they were walking like five of them walking straight towards me and I did tell them to go around. Go out into the street and go around me or they were GonNa like buy cough on you. Yeah they were gonNA come up and just sneezing my face but yeah. This was like a week ago so I feel like people are starting to close down the trails up here and castle. People are starting to get it. I think yeah well. Hopefully people will listen to people Like Michael Site by the way. Are we tired of shitty homemade videos starring celebrities yet? Speaking of which I gotta ask. Why weren't you in that Gal? Gadot imagine video. Did they ask you know? So how does that feel to know that they didn't even ask you a man? Would you have done it if you had been asked a man did you see it? Oh Yeah Oh yeah I saw I. Just I saw that it existed and I was like I wonder why I didn't get back exactly. I wonder how that is GonNa play and then saw the reaction was like maybe just won't watch it. But I feel like they were the intention was the intangible nice. Also she's very sweet person From just my limited experience where he with her people were. Kinda digs about it. Don't you think everyone has the right to say something sucks? We certainly hear that with our show. Don't we I'm sure but yeah what I guess? My first point was it's been. It's been ten days or so maybe two weeks that we've been holed up. I think we're all KINDA tired of looking at celebrities from the the Low Angle. Shitty IPHONE recording. I'm ready for some good quality filming to get back there. You know something like a DP and a grip department and electrical you know I mean I I want. I want Robert Richardson to be the DP. In what film schoon maker to edit I would else I wait a minute? You know what this is. This is an upset of Isla Film. You are correct Sir welcomed. I love film. This is Scott. Who's got today? We're talking about some of the UNSUNG heroes of film. Some of those people you know when you watch a film not a movie by the way a lot of movie. What during quarantine. I gotta say. A lot of movie watching has happening. I would prefer if people switch that to film films. You know like it's simple Scott. It's simple excuse me. But it's simple F I L and an optional s on poss- Yes parentheses S in parentheses and. Here's how you remember it. F- is for films I is for Elms. L. Is for MOMS and is for an assist for yeah films film and guys. I don't know about you Scott but the only thing that I've been watching an allowed my family to watch during this quarantine is the criterion channel. I will only allow my family. My of course I'm here with my wife and my two adorable children and are of course there are their grandmothers and grandfathers here and are just retrievers and we also have the neighbors over. Because you know it can get boring during the quarantine. So we'll have most neighbors over to our screening room and will make up a big tub of popcorn and and we'll share it and we'll just citron. Jurors are grubby little hands into one community TUB. And then we'll get into the other community which star Jacuzzis after. We watched the films. And it's it's we call it hot tub time machine to parties because we only watch hot tub time machine to and then we will go get into the hot tub as well because that is the only appropriate film for these times exactly but we we were talking about cinematography matured deacons the art of capturing lightning as far as. I'm concerned that's I mean a lot of people just go like. Oh what does the Santa Monica for two point? The camera in the right direction shut up in a criminal criminal simplification of what a good DP DP is short order director of Talk so we're talking about people like that and That's what that's what makes a good film. I mean a lot of times when you're watching these films The very first credit that comes up when it when it as we say in the business fades to black. You'll see directed by. Yeah and then a name. You'll go. Oh that person was responsible for the film. I no no no no nine your horses or hold your horse. If you only have one listen there are so many people. You're not as well off as adamant. I don't own several horses. Just hold the one horse that you have and that's fine. That's fine fine but anything less than one. Horse is inexcusable. But when you're watching film a of people they get up you know what they do when those credit start coming on they got up and they walk away in the go-to their car and they go home. No stick around. Read every name out loud out loud screaming into the ear strenuous knitting in front of screaming and stay even after the lights. Come up for at least fifteen minutes to make sure there are no more names. Yup and then you start yelling out loud. The names of your favorite below the line filmmakers. Please allow allowed. I hope I hope we can get back to normal and movie theaters will open up and people will be able to take our tips on this. Yeah because whenever I've done this which is every single time I've gone to the movies. People react so favorably they so favourably. They love even handle it. They came out of the room. They're so happy and you can tell from how. How read their faces get and the way their eyebrows sort of have a downturn in the middle where if a unit brow it's like you're looking at a smiley face you know what? I mean like the eyebrows are making a smiley face. And that's how you know someone's really happy. Super Happy Super Handy so anyway. Yeah that's so anyway. We'll we love films. Love it Larry. We'll see you next time. Thanks bye good bye. Good I mean really. Those guys are solid more than solid. They're as solid as three hundred year old oak. I accidentally just pressed Michael staife talking. If you're wondering what that was. He can't hear any of that anyway can he? Didn't he do end of the world as we know it as well he did on the previous one yeah. He was singing that idea that dude I can't find here's here's something else though. I want to talk about the Rem Camp. Okay so this. A lot of people sent us this so the College Tisch to school of the arts. Is that what it's called? I saw this so The Dean this was in the news. The Dean responded to all of the students who are asking like. Hey since we're we were all sent home and we can't use any of the facilities and You know could we get part of our tuition back and she sent them back an email saying like oh sorry to slow gotta go essentially Sorry we're not. We're not going to be sending any of your Money back but she she attached video to that and you can look this up. Someone tweeted out the video. You can look it up. But it's her dancing to losing my religion as like an apology. Almost or it's apparently she's inviting the students to dance along with her as like a like A. Hey there's nothing we can do about this but here's how we can all feel about soda. I think it was separate from the money back thing and it was just like let's all solidarity. Let's were all in this together. So let's dance to the song right so here. Let's see let's hear a little of this video. She's it starts with her like first of all she can't even edit down the turning on the video and turning onto video which is like if you're going to be releasing videos you gotta you gotTa figure out how to add it at the beginning and then she also starts by shrugging her shoulders as if the problem as you say. Hey there's no we can do about this. Sorry you're out of money. It's so crazy she also. I had not to not to be an artist. Who's critiquing another artist? But she's essentially doing what. Michael Stipe did in the video for losing. My religion is she. She's pre isn't she? She's sort of like aping his style. She was saying that. This is like a choreographed dance that she did a while ago. I mean across class. She was like hey. This is a dance choreographed. But essentially. She's just dancing around. And then at one point she goes. That's me and the coroner the song goes and she points to the corner which I is like boy. That's not good choreography. Did you see Gen stats? Tweeted that she's going to give her degree back. Pretty funny but this is something I wondered like when you put out a song. Songs are interesting because like when you put out a movie. You can't necessarily cut in scenes from a movie into your own movie necessarily have to get rights to it or you can't you can't you can't use someone's movie in your movie or you can't let that play and cut in scenes from the godfather into it but when you write a song Any idiot can take that song and then put it into whatever dumb art. They're doing you know at any. Oh yeah well. Songs are weird because it sound and it goes. It's in the air something that if if you're in the vicinity of it you can hear it so you're and who owns that exactly. So that's the unfortunate part about songs is like. How do the guys in in Haram feel about Hurry 'em how do they feel about this woman using it? Apparently some of the students said they read the email and they were like okay. Well that's a total bummer. But that makes sense I mean. Of course she gives us with her and then they clicked on the video. And they're like no no no no no no. N N N N and and and and then All right we we have even more has been going on during the quarantine but we have to take a break. Is that okay with you Adams? All right so we're going to take a break. We'll have more are you talking. Rem Re me. We will be right after this. Welcome back are you talking? Rem Romy. You are quarantined special. It's the end of the world and we know it may be the first of many quarantine specials Adam. I don't know if you're you seem pretty bored I I I hope not. I mean I am more than happy to record as many episodes as will a tickle your dandy but I hope we're we're working won't be here for months on end you You're supposed to. I mean we weren't going to be recording it all for a while because you were supposed to be A starting job right yeah. We were started We were starting a show. I was supposed to move to New York like four days ago for two months October. Yeah Yeah Yeah So. I mean October. Wait a minute. Is THIS AN EPISODE OF UTAH? New to me I think so from boy to breaking waves every last one of them that is this. Is you talking you to me? The comprehensive and encyclopedic compendium of all things you to this is good rock and roll music. Welcome back to the show. My Name's Scott. This is Scott over here. Hey guys and Adam before the show. You mentioned October which reminded me that we have to do. An episode of Utah. You to to me as well right because there was a little news a little. We're not talking about you talking Huey to me when we say the news. There's nothing to report on the on that front. No nothing at all. There's only news about the man at the front end the center of the band. We've come to know as he he. Of course we're talking about our good buddy bonobos. He's a safe to say he's our friend now. One hundred percent one hundred percent friend of ours and he like most celebrities. Who by the way? I think my point with celebrities in there and they're homemade videos is i. They came for podcasts. Celebrities came for podcasts. And they were like oh I want. I want some of that attention money. Money and attention and now they're coming for our shitty homemade videos celebrities. Get outta here. Yeah really come on guys. Come come on guys. Rip tweedles but so Bano Bonobos that is he he was so inspired by the Italian citizens singing to each other outside of their windows to entertain each other. Which by the way. This is not happened anywhere that I've been all I've I've heard our neighbors arguing but no uh no singing. I have a text chain with our neighbors but other than that tax chain. Yeah we just talk about our taxes. We get together out on our steps and yell about taxes to show ten to one thousand nine each other. That's right But bonobos he was so inspired by that but he's he he wrote a song and Adam. You haven't heard this in. Hopefully hopefully you'll be able to hear it Across these telephone wires but He sat down at a piano and played it Which by the way the other thing is is all these celebrities who are making these videos to sort of soothe us in comfort us. The you see directly behind them is incredible Polish credible views. Like his his is. I think he's on the ocean because it's just this incredible view in and that was another part of the amount of the imagine video is just like seeing all these rich people's backyards. I know but anyway it actually is a really beautiful song. I think that he that he made. Hopefully you guys will be able to hear this. Can you hear this guy? Can you hear that blend? He can't hear it. Okay well the audience can all play it. Yeah play play it yourself. Can you find Seeing across rooftops. Bano is how you can It's on Youtube instagram right. Yeah exactly you instagram. It's him sitting there at a piano with a black T. shirt on any surprises there. Okay here it is. Yeah turn it down or turn your yeah okay here we go. I'M GONNA play it here for people. Okay here we go scars Bobo. Dublin doubling Stores wars think Very Fun Cross So I okay. I'M GONNA cut it off there but I I I like it. Yeah I like it. It's actually nice. I mean it's just him obviously an produced in just out of piano but the the melody I think is really great and I can hear what the Youtube version would sound like people going up on this like having a big chorus on that? I thought it was really great. And then what happened? Was some other people got involved and decided to do their own remix and put their own instruments on it so or maybe. Bano Santa to them For this but So so Will I am Jennifer Hudson and Yoshiki Got Involved and took took his like little homemade recording and then put a beat under it and will I am saying under it and then Jennifer Hudson is kind of doing some some vocal trills is name or is again Yoshi. It's it's it's interesting because it's like oh it's a more produced version even though. Bajo like they put a little reverb on Bano. It's like the todd glass special to make it sound a little more like a professional recording and then like collaborated with them for that. This might be todd glass remix. I don't know but if you can you find that in and listen to it on your end and I'll I'll play over here. It's on Youtube. It's Hashtag sing for life and and if you look Bano and Hashtag sing for life and we'll try to press play at the exact same time so that we can hear it exactly as it's happening but yeah. I mean it's like it's okay. It's just like I I also don't think that will I am isn't necessarily as good a singer as Bano. Is You know what I would. I would maybe just prefer to hear like a fleshed out Youtube version. How slower you typing right now? I'm watching you know I got. Oh you got used to just be staring at your phone. Like trying to will it to well. I was sent a link. The link kind of didn't okay. Okay I got you got okay. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA press play at the same time ready three two one here. We go Sluice this was how yes I will of Dublin. And no one was all this science to make everything clear. What's his view like by the way now while streets of London in London seems last ones disappear? No one to always out over the team's not bad. Not Bad is lost. Not that's coming up now. We're back to I am. Here's everybody trying. Everyone is leaning against their windows with glorious views. Jennifer Hudson knows to be fair. Looks like she's in kind of a tract home cold sack. Is that possible? I can't tell it looks like maybe she's looking over. I I thought it was like just enormous backyard which it might it might be. I look through her backyards. Why we're complaining about rich people's views complaining but I'm worried about Jennifer Hudson. We're totally missing the point of this song. Meanwhile you yeah but I would love to hear Youtube version of it. Yeah sure I think it's interesting. How like something like this happens and then Bano just sits down is like Oh. I'm inspired writes like a kick ass song. Yeah probably ten minutes or whatever it's like you know is pretty good. It's what they do all right. Well this is pretty good all right. That's all for this episode. We'll see you next time. Thanks bye good at really good at good shit. There is a little more going on in the U2 era. Sorry we're not in you. Could you do to me? We're in are you talking? Rem Romy. There's a little something else going on that you you want to mention. Is that right Adam. Yeah Very Sad News Bill Re Flynn who was? Rem's drummer for the the later. Years from think he started playing with them In early like around the greatest hits tour and uncertainly into around the sun in then was their drummer for accelerate and collapse into now And just really incredible drummer and apparently A lovely guy passed away to this past week of cancer. So it's just really really sad and on I'm looking for. It's the they had some kind of thoughts about him on. Okay I thought I could see you like typing into your phone. I'm like what a what an incredible eulogy well checking directedly Here is something from Michael Bill he is among the fine points of the stars and we are looking up with love and with our own reverence for his beauty humor his relentless curiosity and of course is incredible musical ear his time here with us so precious in Golden. There's a lot of really night on. Rem's instagram. There's a Lotta guys he. It's it's really sad among you know it's a sad time right now generally but He was a incredible Musicians US also ministry and he played with everyone. Yeah talented guy. Big Band. He was end. Did He I I think he was in Glenn Miller's big band the Big Band Yeah Glen Miller is there at the birth of Of Swing Jazz Fan. Yeah incredible just what a career. He lived to be one hundred and forty years old as well. Yeah but no. Did he start as a session? Musician or he was was with ministries for ministry. There was another incredible anyway. It's you can look them up. 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Savory Szechuan, Popeye's Hacks, and Chef Hugh Acheson | House of Carbs (Ep. 78)

House of Carbs

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Savory Szechuan, Popeye's Hacks, and Chef Hugh Acheson | House of Carbs (Ep. 78)

"Welcome to the ringer podcast network. I'm Liz Kelly, but the Super Bowl and the books I wanted to let you know about all of our coverage cross the site if Kevin Clark, Robert Mays register men and more breaking down every aspect of the game including winners and losers key plays from the game and the halftime show performance. Also, make sure to check out our YouTube channel where Kevin Clark tucked Amari Cooper on so Newsday and Roger Sherman Chadha with players from each team for their thoughts leading up to the game. Be sure to watch and subscribe to our channel on YouTube dot com slash the ringer. All right. Bye bye culinary tyrod. We have done in two thousand nine rolling along. And we are eating from delicious food you made it to the house. Tall food podcast for the hungry. People by the hungry people. It is on the ringer podcast network. And I am you're hungry host Joe house. What an incredible show this week. My friends she Addison, the iconic restaurant tour chef media star author. He's got his own podcast now, Hugh ashington stirs the pot. I had to have them on to hear what he was up to with this podcast. We love hearing about about new and exciting food podcast. So Hugh comes on and tells us all about it. Of course, we're hitting the best thing I ate this week. Dante Chow was on to talk about this incredible meal. He had for lunar new new year, and I have to share with all you hungry homes. What a eight for the Super Bowl, you know, it's on the Graham, but I'd like to tell you a little bit about some Popeye's hacks that were shaking up. Let's get in that belly. With the homie. Danny chow. All right. Take on the line as promised throughout two thousand nineteen the resident food journalists. The resident food critic the resident food correspondent for the ringer dot com. Danny Chow high body. Hello. How's it going? How are you gray? Okay. Man. I it's just the trade deadline is a lot. And so, you know, actually promised what like last last week or two weeks ago that the food IRA was gonna come out soon after my raptors piece I'm going to have to delay that a little bit. But it'll be worth it. Yeah. The the hungry homeys understand. They know that you're wearing two hats at least two hats for the ringer. There's you could easily wear a third hat. You know, you're underrated talent at I enjoy it on the Instagram is your your your musical tastes. You're you're a really good curator of some some some sounds that are, you know, don't come to me naturally. Be in my midlife crisis. Right now, I need somebody. You know, with the the intellect wisdom that be people out who you had somebody on the Graham, just recently. I just loved it. I can't remember what it is. I mean was it a rapper or was it harp music because I tend to win. It was a rapper. I you know, I still like to pretend I can bang them out. Anyway. So yeah, the Harvey homeys understand you're a little bit co otherwise occupied. I know you wait something delicious. This week though. Nasr did I let's compare notes in the best thing we ate this week. I'm gonna go I I had a wonderful Super Bowl meal that we did a great job of strategizing. I had Mallory Ruben on and she really helped me focus my thinking on the correct way to tackle my Super Bowl feast. I wanted to make sure we dotted all the is and got all the TS crossed. I went with pop is. Yes. To to big box up to twenty piece boxes of Popeye's this for four of us and three sides KU. I love the Cajun rice, I like, the red beans and rice, I like to take the red beans and rice mixed it with the Cajun rice and some some cooling coleslaw, because you know, I like the chicken, oh, man. I CNN are beautiful host. I was with my friend Amy MacDonald at small. Craft liquors. She was on last summer giving us some delicious recipes for the the cocktails that she makes she was the host. She made a beautiful hoagie as kind of appropriate. I don't know. What do you call a giant sub in LA? What do they call it? I mean, it it's it really depends. I guess we call it a sub. Yeah. Yeah. It could be it's a grinder. It's a hoagie are sub. I know that this is the the debate amongst those various names rages on and and their regional, and I get all of that in in any event. It was a a terrific meal. You can't be Popeye's for the Super Bowl. I felt like I won the Super Bowl. So that was the best thing that I ate. I mean, anytime I popped by it's going to be the best thing. I although the sandwich was terrific, and and Amy made a beautiful batch of a beverage that was bourbon based with some some lovely. The boys and bury some blackberry and a little bit of a pineapple kind of flavor. It was just really citrus at this time of year on the east coast. You're Madonna for it. So yeah, amazing. Yeah. So so talk to me. I know you have something special recently. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, first of all I just one minor. Critique I think you you might have doubled up on the rice like I feel like it's either the Cajun rice of the red beans and rice, I feel like I feel like you're really sleeping on the the mashed potato experience at at Popeye's. Here's the thing. This is great. I'm glad we're having this conversation when I buy the red beans and rice, you know, what I do. I take a knife. And I shave all the red beans. Wow. From around the rice and get it into its own self contained place and leave that white rice after I've carved Allred beans off of it that that white rice key is for later it or it can be discarded thread pains. Go with the Cajun rice. So it ends up being red beans with with ground beef and a jalapeno rice in. It's that's that's delicious. Gotcha. Okay. All right. I'll do you buy that. You'll accept that. Yeah. I'm just I'm just a sucker. I'm an absolute sucker for Popeye's, mashed potatoes. So now isn't the best thing isn't the best thing about the bash potatoes of Popeye's the jalapeno gravy. Yeah. No, absolutely that. So if you want hundred if you could get them to serve the jalapeno gravy. Now, I have done this before I didn't do it for the Super Bowl. You could get a side of how peanut grieve gravy and have that over the Cajun rice with red beans now, I'm starting to think I think I would here's here's what I would do. I think I would get the gravy on like one of their like chicken poboy us. I'll just. I'll just that like drenched and almost turn it into like a like a dipped like, you know sandwich. I've like that sounds pretty good. See we're we're doing Popeye's hacks here and the fly for all the hungry homeys. We've got a multitude of Popeye hacks with we've just introduced here because you know, you could also get some tenders young get some of the the jalapeno gravy with the tenders, and then just get one of the roles for whatever sandwich. They're serving that all by itself has its own. You know, there's a real creative element there. I let let's keep let's you. And I keep up on this is ax of vibe. We there's some we're gonna share. Yeah. We'll come up with something when we're together I'm coming out to L A a few weeks. Oh, purpose down and map this out a little bit. And then maybe we can take some pictures and we'll enjoy together. Yeah. We'll report back for for all the the homeys. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. So tell me what what what what did you eat? And what was the occasion? Okay. So yes. So on Tuesday that was the lunar new year, and for the occasion, I went to a special pop-up dinner by a chef and writer named Jenny gal who has basically been spending the past. I don't know like six years or so in Shanghai doing a bunch of pop ups that kind of reflect her heritage, and she her her whole thing is kind of educating, you know, Chinese people and and people around the world pretty much about Sichuan food. That's where that's where her parents are from that's where she's from. And she's kind of bridging the gap between kind of these old timey traditions of Sichuan cuisine, and kind of more modern techniques and stuff like that. And so if you're not familiar with Szechuan food, it's it's very spicy occasionally an at uses a special pepper that creates this kind of numbing novacaine any sense Asian your mouth, and so when you're eating this food. It becomes like highly addictive. Because you're you're feeling things that you wouldn't normally feel in most styles of cuisine. Let me interrupt. You. Can I talk to you for a sax Louis? I'm unfamiliar with what you're describing by way of ordering Malla. From is that so it is the broad categories session. And then my law falls underneath a such Ron. So Ma is is basically describing to the two different sensations that you can feel when you're eating that type of cuisine. So one element of Ma is the numbing and the other one is the spice, and so basically, you're combining Ma and law, and so that essentially fuses these beasts two different sense Asians into one. And so Mali is kind of that sensation that you're feeling. It's not necessarily a separate section of the cuisine. It's it's more describing a very elemental part of eating that type of food. So that's interesting. I go to a restaurant that has such one in the name and on the menu. It has a series of dishes that are you can have Ma LA beef. You can have you know, various. Proteins or vegetables served in what they are characterizing a Mahlon style. And now I'm wondering if oh, no that's just it's basically just telling you that it's going to be both numbing and spicy. That is see. So because such one to me carries a meaning it, I know what it means to order Szechuan style. I mean, I love the Szechuan lamb at this one restaurant that I order from right? The lamb is super tender. And and the morsels are are are scrumptious they're perfectly size. But when when there's when it served the sauce is, you know, spicy with like a red kind of pepper corn. You know, typical kind of chilly and a heavy dose of Julianne vegetables. And that's what my my brain sees and thinks when when I order sort of sexual in style, but not necessarily with the Malla flavoring as as part of it, right? Yeah. And hard part makes. Sensor is that is that like an Americanized version is us one. I mean, it's it could be a little bit of both really like. Yeah. Sure. When you're when you're traveling to these restaurants and a lot of them are trying to cater to a certain clientele. You know, part of it is kind of kind of doing that little dance of figuring out. You know, what a appeals to a certain palette and what they can kind of bring back from their own tastes memories of home. And so it's kind of like a an almost fusion of. I don't know sensibilities that they have to kind of makes we've we've into you know, that makes perfect sense. Yeah. I interrupted you though. And I'm sorry to have taken you on the ten actually I'm not that. Sorry. 'cause fascinating whole of the show is to learn. So, but but please continue this meal you had with a Jenny's place. Yeah. So Jenny is a person that I've I'd interviewed a few months ago for a future that I'm working on a hopefully published sometime this year. Although I'm not sure I'm still kind of doing the reporting for it. But we've kind of kept crossing paths, actually, I ate rotea with her in my recent trip to Toronto. That's where her parents live. She's a Chinese Canadian. And so yeah, we've just kept crossing paths. And she was like, hey, I'm throwing this dinner. If you want to, you know, swing by and like absolutely I've I've actually haven't had your cooking before I've only had, you know, these sauces that she creates she sh- actually bottles Sichuan style sauces and tries to, you know, do it in a way that's not so overly reliant on. You know, you know, industrially produced MSG she's trying to really get natural flavors to produce that that, you know. Mommy flavor, and I think you can buy it online her companies called fly by djing. And so yes. So that way, I'm I'm tapping the brakes spell it. Fly by F L, Y B Y. Yeah. Jing J. I n g j I n g so that five by Jing dot com or just look up fly by Jing. Yeah. Just look look it up on Google. You'll be able to find. Okay. Awesome. Yep. Yeah. And so she was throwing this dinner in Hollywood. And there were a few standouts. She served one of the first dishes that she served was a homogeneous crew Crusoe, which is not something you would imagine really in the kind of Szechuan, you know. Collection of dishes that you would imagine coming from that style of cuisine. It's honestly one of those dishes. That's like, okay. If you go to a trendy restaurant, you're going to be able to find it on on the appetizers menu guilty guilt. This and I ordered every time. Super for it. It's super overdone to death at this point. But it's you know, it's it's a really easy way to showcase. Good fish. You know? Yes. And what she does is she kind of infuses some of that Sichuan sensibility because she infuses the Ponzi sauce, you know, the the kind of a civic vinegar e Yuzu citrusy flavor with Szechuan pepper corns so Sichuan pepper corns one way of translating it is there usually there occasionally called tribute peppers, and this is because Szechuan pepper corns way back in the ching dynasty, China were so prized that they used to be only offered to the emperor as a tribute. And so it's kind of like this history lesson. It's kind of like, you know, infusing that with a very hip, very identifiable like modern. You know, restaurants, you dish. And it just works. It just worked you. You know, you get a little bit of that numbing flavor. But it's just a very recognizable Amati Kudo. I was like, oh, this is brilliant, you know, because of the Szechuan peppers corns actually come from the citrus family. And so you kind of get that kind of like lemony essences are just kind of added to the Ponzi sauce that they poured on top of the fish horrific. Yeah. It was great. You know, I it was kind of like this interesting mash up of tradition and non tradition like tradition holds on lunar new year that you're supposed to be served a whole fish bone in which is supposed to symbolize abundance. So it, you know, you're served whole fish you eat the whole fish. That's supposed to be good luck. And you're supposed to be you know, able to a accumulate, you know, riches, and etc. Etc. What she served, however was caught cheeks which yet so fish cheeks are actually like probably the best part of the fish like in terms of the actual quality of the meat. I do remember when I was a kid like my dad would always save me, the cheeks, and I thought you know, on one hand this might be bad luck. Because we're not we weren't eating a whole fish. But on the other hand, it kind of reminded me of my childhood. And it kind of reminded me that, you know, sometimes it's not always about abundance. Sometimes it's about, you know, the quality not the quantity, you know. How does one separate the cheeks from the head for the purposes of serving the cheese? That's probably a better like question for like a butcher. But I've I've always had like my my dad will I mean, it's a pretty obvious where the chiefs are. So it's really just taking, you know, either a knife or or. Fork or even chopsticks if if you're cooking the whole fish. It's pretty easy to just kind of slide it out it just kind of you don't have to be super delicate. Right. It's not like brain surgery. Yeah. But, but what comes out is basically this fully formed like fish nugget. Like, it's it's an entire morsel of meat. That's like tender, and it's, but it's still holds its like firm integrity. It's a very clean tasting. You know piece of piece of the fish. Yeah. I mean, it's always been my favorite just because you know, I I was I was the youngest child of my family. And so I was always pretty much reserved. All of the best parts. Oh. Yeah. So yeah. You know, what about the flavor profile or or is it? It was served with. I'm starting to forget what it was served with. But it was like, you know, deep fried crunchy like elementary. I think it was like a pepper that was deep fried to the point where it was like almost hydrated. And so you kind of get this like counterbalance between the fish being very tender, and he's crunchy little bits. And I it it all had a a strong, you know, CUNY flavor, which is also very prominent in Sichuan food incredible. Yeah. It was great. That's so that that that counts as you had two to best things. Would you let let's not rate one above the other. There are two distinct things, but wow, anything else from that meal. Oh, there are so many things that meal, I think let me count the number of things. She served sued three four five six ten. There are ten dishes. So they're all small, you know, and served family style of there were a. Few cocktails available that used okay by baiju, which is a Chinese liqueur, and she actually sh actually made like negroni out of baju instead of using gin. And so you like the Amaro you add the vermouth and everything it was great. Had you had that before? We've had budget cocktails before. But I'd never actually had it served as like negroni, but we actually ended up taking baiju shots and the shots were delicious. It's from a producer called Ming river. Okay. So yeah. If you ever see Ming river like check it out 'cause it honestly tasted very good as shot. I'm I'm not trying to put you on the spot. Did you take pictures of any of this? I did. But the weird thing is it was in a very hip like art gallery space, and so all of the lighting was like super red. And so the pictures definitely did not come out very pretty. Everything was kind of washed out in like this red light. So I mean, I have a couple of pictures. But like, it's it's there's actually one on Instagram right now. But yeah, they didn't turn out. Great. Okay. May I I don't have a recommendation. I'm no expert at at taking the pictures. But, but I mean, you know, we need to document these these kinds of beautiful journeys like this, right? And I so I appreciate inbetween Baljit shots that you you did your best. You know? I would be derelict in my duties, if I didn't take if I didn't actually, you know, attempt to take pictures, I agree with you agree, are Danny Chow that was a beautiful best thing that you ate shout out. The does Jenny do this pop up as a thing where she were people from the public can go attend. Or is it this this mainly for like, friends and family this one was actually via ticket? So you could've you could've bought a ticket. I I don't know if she has any coming up. But this was her first, nah by Oku. Just definitely follow her because she is definitely an authority on this cuisine. Yeah. So if we're if we're following her you can also follow fly by djing in on Instagram at fly by Jing fancy that that might be a way also to track what she's doing in. L A, right? Yep. Okay. Good times. Daddy chow. As always I'm looking forward to hear the next delicious thing that you're eating and Sherry with you my delicious thing. Thanks, buddy. Absolutely back to the deadline. Grindstone. Make sure you eat. Yeah. All right. Thanks. Denny. Cow. We have an incredible interview with chef Hugh atchison coming up but first quick word. You know, what smart anytime you see a pop up by Jennie Gow in Los Angeles, California. Get yourself a ticket and get yourself some delicious sexual on cuisine. You know, what else is smart going to ZipRecruiter dot com slash cards to hire the right people for your business. Ziprecruiter is rated number one by employers in these United States based on trust pilot rating of hiring sites with over one thousand reviews why because it's technology identifies people with the right skills for your job. And actively invites those people to apply to get coffee candidates fast right now house of carbs listeners can get Zip Recruiter for free at ZipRecruiter dot com slash. Call. That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash seat. Eight Arby s ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Tastebuds today show. Also brought to us by our pals at hotel tonight. 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He is a TV star as a judge on top chef and as a contestant on top chef masters, and honestly, I mean, if we're going to do this properly gotta tell you hungry homeys, very Hinson, very handsome Canadian to boot, ladies and gentlemen, so pleased to welcome chefs Hugh attestation to house, oh cau-. Oh, my goddess. He'll good to be here. Chef you. How are you? I'm awesome. You are awesome. So look you have a brand new podcast. I believe it debuted today. It is called Hugh atchison stirs the pot you're very for Sepah sewed again with another sort of true cooking icon, Tom Kalicki. Oh, we are gonna talk about this podcast. But that's not where I want to start. We can start anywhere. That's what I will awesome. You know where I wanna start Ottawa Canada. You call a boring Ottawa Canada. It's it's you'll freeze your balls off. Right now up there, though, it is. Yeah. It was born and raised their son, economists, very good place to grow up and started cooking there because I didn't gel was school. Come from an academic family, but not really into the school myself and just worked through, you know, skipping school playing pool, you know, that type of thing. So let let let's do let's do some connecting the dots. Because I personally as I was kinda, you know, thinking about this, and and considering our time here together house a fifteen year old kid from Ottawa Canada, become you know, sort of well-versed in in French cuisine. Find himself in San Francisco in some of the most acclaim restaurants in that enormously successful food city. And then find your way to to to the south to the southeast to Athens, Georgia. Help me connect the dots. There was living in Ottawa. I had lived in the state soon as quite young. I was a living Atlanta for two years in Clemson, South Carolina, which is a great football town. But boy is the most boring town in the world. Move back up to finish up high school in Canada, and then meander around for while Montreal and Banville Berta and eventually went with my then girlfriend who was going to become my wife, and we she was Merican and been born and Athens wanted to grad school down there. So we went down there for two years. She did her masters, and then we moved to San Francisco for two years, then we came back and set up shop in Athens. I opened up my first restaurant. Like twenty seven I felt like about twelve it. Yeah. But you so you had Athens in your blood before you made it out to the west coast of the these United States. Yeah. Going to San Fran at that. Time was great. I mean, it was like rob right before the complete evisceration of the dot com bubble, but you know, rents were still relatively okay. But you know, living on a shift cuisine salary out. There was not a deal. So we're complex Meko for while. We're to Gary Danko opened up that place, and then came back and with very little money. Open up by first restaurant five and ten. Yes. So what was the style of cooking? You were doing while you were out in San Francisco. You know, modern French ideas translated through the prism of California Larder and the California agreement set even I mean, even back that's like ninety eight ninety nine. Yeah. Armed a table came up as a term really until maybe there early two thousands. But you know, everything we've done it just wasn't double as a term yet. And you know, but that's the way I grew up cooking, you know, food and the GATT, no mountains around Ottawa, Ontario or hulk Beck and e just utilize the stuff that's in the larger that's coming up seasonally and same thing in California in Saint thing here, but the southern learner became really what I fell in love with just because it's totally interesting. There's a train going by here, but don't bother that. No, that's atmosphere. It lets everybody know how it we're keeping it real hair here on house of cards. Yes, I'm interested in in like how did five and ten come together? What was the inspiration for it? And they a what you do in terms of scrambling to get yourself started. And what that original like menu concept was. Shit. I remember the first day opening looked out in Michael Stipe and us downs were sitting out there. Both from REM. Yeah manager. And I you know, we just I was trying to really simple rectangular box of old brick room to do just really good food as a community inspired restaurant that would that could make it and deliver some of the community that they hadn't had before it was an excuse to be destination restaurant in a small town. But avert fancy that would have been a death nail. But it, you know, it was really working from the cuff and doing whatever we could to get by. You know, it's like it was true. Chef them for me, then because it was all encompassing as him walk in the morning and go clean, the urinals and the bathrooms do all the accounting in the office from eight until ten and then go start cooking, and but your fish, but you're lambs and make sauces and all the rest of the kitchen crew are rolling in. But I did everything I ran the. Floor of the wine list. But it was great. I loved it. And you mentioned the southern Larder. What did you find with vailable to you as five and ten got going that was different from from your experience in San Francisco. Let's funny that around here they really becomes the -ceptable to with the big box truck. You know, the CISCO's the world you're rolling up and unloading, pre cut fries and sauce bases and stuff like that. And so when we opened up we kind of open the back door, so to speak, and and try to find farmers real really nearby who would be of to raise product for us and find the guys making country hands like he's always done for, you know, hundred years in his family, but nobody in buying them. And and so you start to realize that their old school farmers market. I mean, we didn't even have a farmer's market at that point in time in Athens of the modern Ilkka farmer that say no now where they sell really expensive beats and stuff with a state run farmer's market. And you go by and by the blackout peas, something like that in the woman be working with it. You know, she's got three fingers onto her hands. And she's. Feeding field peas in Sheller mechanized Sheller that she's lost a couple of fingers along the way. I'm sure and then they had you know, tons of different corns and things like that. But it was all the old school state farmer's market. It was really kind of good product. We're dreadful environmental lot of ways. So I'd go out there and buy a lot of product. They're starting to find different varieties of ochre. The people are growing another big agriculture schools, like Clemson UGA's big school to of southers resources to look through. And then getting touch with, you know, different county agrarian specialists to around different people. And then they tell you who's making cheese and who's got a ton of duck eggs, and that's gotta help work. So where do the instinct to open the back door come from? Because that's you just described kind of the challenges that you encountered once you open that back door and went out at to try and find some folks that that were producing locally sourced stuff. That would be something that you could could, you know, cook, according to your vision where did open up the back door come from. You know, worked at a restaurant Hoke back back in the day called cafe alley. Bill ray. I was French place and pretty palatial school restaurant been there for like eight years of that point. And there's this guy named Bing and Bing would come once a week and or twice a week. And when day would bring venison that he had raised on his land of the GATT knows. And then another day would bring a bunch of Takis that he had raised and then other times, the farmer or hunter would come in with a bunch of partridges full complete partridges you'd have to feather them in everything. And and then, you know, cheese makers would come in or different people raising different products or the local syrup maple syrup person. So in that always like was a narrative of food that I was totally into the food was greater relationship that just pressing a button to order a case of flour that if we could show the stories of food that it was much more interesting as Nanak turtle thing to sell. But then also to prepare generally, it was much better quality, and I could trace it and it hadn't gone through gazillion middlemen and the in the in the quest to get to the table. So, but again, you know, it is prior to farm-to-table that reasoning. And so we just continued on that bent, and, you know, but there's a ton of agrarian history in the south, and there's a lot of difficult culinary history to come to terms with right? The history of the south is amazingly interesting layered, totally fucked up. So you know, we had to curse through that. And figure out what we what we do with all that. And then when you've got a Canadian kid cooking, you know, chicken and dumplings, you're gonna get a couple of raised eyebrows. I just have one eyebrow. So it's a lot. Yeah. That's what well done by you. I meant to mention that with the one eyebrow. Yeah. Yeah. It's you got to sell God. But so right. How did you navigate that? Right. You you. You are a Canadian kid cooking chicken dumplings. And folks take give a lot that. I mean, I think that from an outsider's perspective sometimes when you doing a deep dive and knowledge it helps not to be affected by. Bye bye. Your grandmother's version of something. You know in the south if you make a jumble I and in New Orleans in Louisiana. It's it's very difficult for anybody to compare it to anything, but the ram other cooking. So I don't have that the weight on my shoulder of that family history. So it can look upon a purely from my magic potion reading it in understanding the concept of it and then turning on its head a bit because my background's in French and Italian food. So it's just right. It just becomes a better or not a better way. But it's a different way of looking at food of the south and just that like delicate dance of interpreting it based on your experience orientation, but at the same time, making sure folks understand that you are honoring those those traditions those food ways that existed before you you arrived that that's the dance. Right. Yeah. I think it is. It's a careful dance. But we've done it pretty well. Throughout the years. I step on my feet my own feet once in a while. But it's e I think you've got. A pay homage to wet here in the history of dish or a culture that exists here and make sure they're woven into the narrative that you're explaining a dish as to but I'm ever gonna make it exactly grandmothers because that it had. No her didn't eat that growing up. So it's just it's become a good way of doing it. There's some dishes that I just don't wanna cook. Because they're so close to the heart trying to think like the civic ones, but like burger and things like that like seven stews sometimes just like there's so many different variations on it. And everybody's is always the best. And it's it's hard to to parse that. And they're also some rustic things, you know, southern food comes out of poverty as a reaction to poverty endemic poverty through the ages, and it's a pretty thrifty cuisine. And I don't also just want to glide on the coattails of that and make something into finding food. I think we've steered away from this sort of high end shrimp and grits, you know, shrimpers were ubiquitously cheap on the coast of South Carolina, Georgia, and that was a food of basic necessity to to make some grits and put some shrimp on it in the color dinner. So I've always been a little bit careful not to wanna totally just ride on the coattails of southern food. And be of what I call pity pats porches southern food restaurants. Yes. Sure. So that's a nice idea. Armie homeys quick break from this. Great chat with chef Hugh. I wanna tell you about to kill a Mockingbird on Broadway Academy Award winning screenwriter and playwright. Aaron Sorkin was recently on the Bill Simmons podcast discussing his long career in great movies and shows including the west wing, the news room and the social network Aaron has a new play on Broadway. An adaptation of Harper Lee's Pulitzer prize winning to kill a Mockingbird. I believe you've heard of it, which has recently voted America's best love novel of all time to kill a Mockingbird has become one of the most popular and toughest tickets to get on Broadway. It is set the record as the highest grossing American play in Broadway history. It's also been selected as Critic's pick by the New York Times. And it's been called one of the greatest plays in history by NPR. Two time EMMY award winner, Jeff Daniels from the newsroom in godless and many many other places walks of life. 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After five and ten you've had a great success with another couple restaurants one. Also, an Athens, the national that you opened up with with Peter Dale and then Empire State south in Atlanta. It's funny. I was out to dinner with some folks on Saturday, and we were talking about eating in Atlanta because the Super Bowl was just there and a guy just spontaneously volunteered to me. You know, what the best place? I I've ever eaten at in Atlanta Empire State south. And I, you know, it's it's one of these moments right to say, well, it's a matter of fact, I'm talking to ship this week. I mean, I sound like a dick. But you know, it was a nice for for to. It's coincidence that that this guy volunteered that in. And here we are talking. How 'bout the national? How that come come to be? And what was the vision there? Yeah. It's a funny story the chef that my partner there. Peter Dale is a wonderful wonderful human, really, gifted chef. But he he really hadn't been cooking. All he was working at DC as a she said he was in working for then house of representatives. From Georgia Representative Nathan deal later became governor of Georgia and Peter got a little disenchanted with political life and quit there and move back to Athens, and he said gonna cook for living, and he traveled really, well, he's got a lot of family in Spain. And then in South America. And so he started cooking for free at five and ten just to learn more about food eventually became a sous chef, and then we started talking about business, and we stuck on a deal with the woman who is opening up a really cool out cinnamon, Athens Cassini, and we'd occupy a front room of doing very Mediterranean food, very Spanish. And northern African and Mediterranean style food. And so it was a hit it's tiny restaurants fifty five seats, and then their six seats or ten seats the bar. So it's really small, but it's been really amazingly popular place and much of the credit of people like Peter who you, you know, I just love to find people who enjoy working with that. I can create a pathway for them to succeed as well. So it, and that's the best way to grow. And it's it's totally natural way to grow in the restaurant world. Yeah. And then how about Empire State south? Empire says is are bigger restaurant. Lanta glad you didn't go on Saturday because we're closed for private events all the Super Bowl stuff. These. We were like the headquarters of visa. And but yeah, it started in two thousand. Wait a minute. I'm going back. My head two thousand ten and started. I just wanted to midtown restaurant. That would serve is it's in the bottom of a very large building. So it's like thirty story building, and they wanna breakfast lunch and dinner, and I felt like a good do that if I just mimicked the idea of a hotel restaurant almost, but it just it's become this like all day affair like really good. Southern inspired food, a little more, technically savvy and a little more modernist than the other restaurants. A lot of ways really big wine program amazing cocktail program, and we kinda concentrated on the book ends one of the coffee shop involved. So you begin your meal with the great cocktail an end it with a great coffee, and I felt like a lot of places weren't really concentrating on that those those should be the beginning and ending of a meal should be great. And it begins with a host on how they meet greet you at the door. It ends with him saying goodbye. But those last two book ends are really important a lot of people hadn't been. Concentrated on them. Honestly can't make a lot of money with coffee in the restaurant world, but empire has been greatly successful. It's kind of it goes all the way through the day. So there's always somebody there getting something 'cause it's the one restaurant if you're delayed at hurts field wanna go into town. You know that three thirty can get some food mazing glass of wine and stuff like that. And rarely restaurants opened in that odd time so a cast is different crowd. And a lot of ways. Do you still spend time how do you spend your time between the three? I kind of float above them in an archangel pattern. Yes. Have the angel Addison? Yes. And that he realized spreadsheets and the follow on numbers. But no met all of them a fairly often. Like, I was an empire lot this last week. I'll be five and ten a lot this week Peter pretty much handles national and they've got to coffee shops in Atlanta like check in on and make sure they're running. Well. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. So I I want I made made the decision to try and be deliberate in walking through all of this. Because I think it sets the stage for what you're doing with the podcast, which is what I I really am interested in talking about. But I wanted to like make sure that we went through a little bit of the background. So we're up to the to the present right now shoe at Jason stirs the pot where did the idea for the podcast come from? You know, we got a kind of toyed with the idea for a long time. One of my favorite things ever. Did was Bravo. Let me do blogs to summarizing the episodes of top chef, and it just allowed me to be a complete beserk weirdo with humor and writing. And just write whatever I wanted. And I don't think anybody edited it. So they just relax sure will post it, and it was making fun of everything under the sun. So always been a little bit of syrup cast rabble rouser in some ways, pretty active on Twitter and say stupid jet there all the time. So, but that's always talking, and I'm totally intrigued at the idea of getting better at podcasting because I want to be a better and better listener. And so a fun conversation to be such a beautiful conduit of of. Puzzle pieces that when it fits it's a really natural thing. So that's what they podcast is all about. We went to Himalayan media approached me, we did it with them. And we've been really happy with the results did mostly episodes around New York, but it's with a lot of chef people, but a lot of that came back to Athens, and we interview Michael Stipe and went back up to New York and did Adam Platt who's the amazing New York magazine dining critic, so it's a mishmash of different people. And it's it's about the industry, but it's about food as a relates to daily life. It's about a little bit of a politics and and just shooting the shit with people. Yeah. So what what made you choose New York or or did New York? Choose you in terms of getting this thing off the ground. New York chooses you in a lineup. And then they cried you up. This I walk and then you have to rebuild yourself. No, just chose the orcas. The concentration of it would be a relatively rich market for calling up friends and having them say, yes, they can't. Yeah. No, right. Right. And and so I know this first episode is Tom Kalicki. Oh, are you at liberty to share, you know, some of the other guests are we allowed to talk about upcoming episode 's? Yeah, I've got a Carla hall who's oh got does. He's a DA person Washington. DC native. Yeah. My one of my hometown homeys. Yeah. We I every up in Harlem at this little tiny sparkled sweet home Harlem, which was great. And then we've got Adam Platt, and then I've got Alex stupak who's just the Tasmanian devil of New York. Mexican cookery Dan barber from blue hill at stone bar. Arn and just Missy Robbins from Missy in Brooklyn. And it's just a good motley Crue different people need a low used to be the chef in a Nissan sold. Amazing amazing chef in human, so they're just all over the place. And did you eat during each of these podcasting adventures? Yes. Except for the one with Michael Stipe, Michael of eccentric diet these days. So try to make him some tea, but didn't have the right or Ganic macho for him. Oh, boy, but we ate and all the other ones Meikeljohn owner. And I don't mean to put you on the spot and have you rank anything? But was there a memorable meal that distinguish itself from some of the other meals for any reason? I mean, they're all fun. They're also different. But you know, the best role Adam Klatten, I were a what is it new song noodle house in mid town. I was faced new it's not new talk something like that. But this woman chef who runs it makes the sandwich with like braised beef shin and it's conflict brands, like Scalia pancake with the scallions. So it's gonna like this Chinese flap read, and it was kind of the special sausage braised beef scallions and some pickles, and then this can free K of cheese Kurds. Oh my God. So wacko weird. And it was like both Adam glad who's Adam Platz eaten like five humans in eighty seven million meals. He was like I think this is the best which of ever head. It was like amazed balls. It was like unreal. How did you guys for the first time in ninety ninety? Three you you have kids you can say amaze balls will to how did y'all come up with with that place. And and you know, whose idea was it to go have a sandwich there. I think it was just mutual discussion between some bus in the production crew on where we should go. And it's nice to go to places they're kind of like a little bit off the beaten path. And and yeah that not is going to there you can shine a light on and this that sandwich is lie on real. So are I feel like I'm going to be doing myself a disservice when we publish this. And we'll put it out and probably put up a picture of the sandwich. Because now it's going to be fifty times harder to get in there to to get one of these. But I think we owe it to all of our culinary comrades out there to to to put a little shine on this this beautiful thing. Right. Oh, yeah. You got you gotta get it out there. And we win win. Is that episode run of your podcast is that soon that's gonna be there's a new one every choose day. And that one will be I'm not sure exactly when that's coming out. Okay. Well, that's. It's called the j b melt sandwich, and it's little Tong in the east. She's got a little tongue in the east village in this is her new one in mid town called little tongue noodle shop. It was man. There's like. Amazing. And there's a dire of it. Okay. Well, we're we're going to publicize it and probably make it impossible for anybody to get in there easily and get it in the lunch crowd and midtown's going to be mad at us. But you know, if I was there right now, I would seamless like tenable. I I have one other thing that I want a cover with you you and I met last year it was less than a year ago. In Augusta Georgia you came down for the masters golf tournament. And you know, it was all thing in it. And yeah. Not that. I'm not that. Good. Not. Well, are you a golfer? No god. No, okay. Well, how some some shifts? It's not an uncommon things. A lot of chefs golf just to let understanding those guys have time to golf. Well, you know, what this is a good segue into what I wanna talk about. Because at this dinner you cooked and every in describe your cooking. And then and everybody enjoyed it. And it was it was absolutely delicious. In the end, you talked about this project that you're associated with this, you know, in your role as a food education advocate called seed life skills, and he did a little pitch for the group to think about, you know, making donations or thinking about how to support seed life skills, and I was kind of blown away by it. And and you know, right there in that moment decided I must have you on this podcast talk about this thing because it is, you know, real something that really feels like it could belong in every city in the country. What was the inspiration for seed life skills, will what is it? And how did it come about? Don't. So I that day. So we're. We're we're doing this dinner, whatever their bunch of guests in your included and at this beautiful mansion Augusta. They didn't tell me that I was supposed to present all the food like that. And basically give it cooking class in a dog and pony show. So. I thought it was just showing up cooks Poos. So it's taken a bit back by that. But we get it. We got it off. And it was fun, but seed, low skills was a reaction to what I saw as hey, look, you know, we we update our phones what probably ten times a year with updates and operating system, whatever and family and consumer sciences or used to be called home. Ac hasn't really changed for fifty years as the world's changed and a rapid rapid pace around it. And what I what I now perceive as what we need to teach everybody every kid in this world needs to learn some basics of cooking and living to get them through the most difficult time in life, which is like eighteen nineteen twenty you got nothing you're working into it. You're figuring out trying to get a career path. You're having trouble making ends meet. But if you know how to poaching egg roasted chicken and make vinaigrette maybe life's a lot easier. Maybe it's just skill sets. That were missing in teaching recipes. It's teaching technique because technique is like riding a bike. If you know how to see repay piece of fish, y'all always know at us Europeans of fish. If you know how to cook broccoli properly. You always know how to do that those recipes they're all just techniques. But what if we so my see life skills, redevelop, whom at curriculums into retain -able life skills for kids, and it's all live in my county of Clark county in four middle schools with a program that we started three four five years ago now, and but the curriculum libs online, and it's free. It's free for any school system in the world to download and it's just a seed life, skills dot ORG, and you can go on there and get the complete curriculum. And because we're not out to make money on it. We just wanna make sure that everybody's armed with skill sets to make them better humans in the foreseeable future that if they can feed themselves provide nourishment the were one step closer to. Being there been being really good citizens and giving within a community and giving their families and their friends from whatever why I remain as blown away by the concept in the way that you're you're doing it now is when I first heard about it last year. How can folks make donations? They can go to seed life, skills dot org and make donations there where they can just you know, the best thing to do is. We don't need much money 'cause the curriculums already done. I won't turn it down because we can always make it bigger. But what they can do is just tell their local school districts to consider downloading it and consider getting pieces of it. Or the whole thing into the curriculum set it works, it's all steam, and stem oriented, usually, those are elective courses. They don't need to be. But we're we're looking at data that's showing a trend that kids who do. This course, do better in all their courses because we've kind of made sure to related always to math and science and mired reaction and ratios and food and all those things that just help form a better brain own brain by. Beyond the the local schools that have adopted the curriculum heavy been able to persuade some other school systems to pick it up. It's been downloaded over like two thousand times everywhere from New Zealand to Africa various places, so I'm just unsure of exactly how much of implemented into the school systems. But we're seeing being used it a pretty formidable pace that that that's incredible. So seed I'm rely on the gills seed low let me lockout ORG. Yeah. S E E D L I F E, skills dot ORG. Chef you at Acton. The podcast is Hugh atchison stirs the pot. You can get it wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for coming on today. My man who's gonna win the NCAA championship. Who's gonna win the championship? Make your early pick. It's duke. There's there's no tissue. He well, he's the best. They have the best player in the United States. The second coming of the Braun. Yeah. I know he's awesome. But man Virginius killing it. Yeah. I Virginia needs to do some some they they're on a redemption routine right now losing the first round last year was not good. Not good. No. That's true. That's drip. Thanks for having me on you best. You're the best Accu chef L backed by good times. Thanks, man. Thanks day child. And chef you accident, of course, checkout at the house of cards for all that's going down in food town. How about this? I'm going to to Stephen star restaurants here in Washington DC back to back tonight as late diplomat the seafood tower shabby ordered shall be consumed tomorrow night, my first visit to Saint Anselm. They're calling it the punk rock steakhouse. They have one other version of this up in Brooklyn. They came down and open one up. Chef Marjorie beak Bradley is in the house, and I'm very excited to check it out. 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Michael Stipe x Jem Cohen | Artist Takeover

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Michael Stipe x Jem Cohen | Artist Takeover

"Hello welcome to launch left. This is our inaugural artists takeover show. It's the end of the world as we know it. And i feel fine. Because michael stipe is hosting this show and he's brought his friend gem colin filmmaker incredible human being. They both are. You're gonna love the show. Please welcome to the show. But i don't forget to rate in subscribe follows and also shows at launch left. This is launch left with orders takeover on your host michael stipe tonight speaking to jim cohen. Filmmaker and artist extraordinaire. Hi jim how are you. Hi michael for laura happy new year. All things considered and given the times giving given what we're moving through. I know both of us feel a bit of reticence about having a conversation about art and music and the creative arts at a time like now and yet it does beg. The question of of people like ourselves creators. Say are you okay with that term people. Use it with ill-will. I just i'm allergic to it. Where people who make rings that that i like. Some of them are tangible. Some of them. Some of them are made of light. Some of them were made of sound some of them. You can touch a lot of them you can't but we're we're artists and filmmakers and musicians and all round guys and and yet The times that we're living in times we're living through the moment that we are right. The second as we record this the moment that we are anticipating. We have no idea what's going to happen. Things have been very very very strange. We're out of two thousand twenty. Thank god we're in twenty twenty one. I feel optimistic in as much as one can. I feel like what we've been through might put us in a better place with with a lot of With with a lot of difficulty. But the question that i think launch left really interested in is how does making music the creative arts art what what role we have in politics and activism. How how do these two somewhat dispirit things or seemingly disparate things merge and come together. What's your take them. Well my take on it is that the merger is is necessary. And it's also inherent. And i also i don't i don't claim for myself. The title of activists because A lot of people do it a lot more full-time a lot better than i do. But i also feel that. It's been part of my life since i was a little kid at some of the biggest peace marches that the nation has ever seen You know i was in those making signs. And i'm still at the protests not necessarily with a sign but i'm there and i've been involved in a lot of strange pockets of activism that i never expected to be involved with by there was fighting the nuclear and toxic waste storage depot in the poor neighborhood of williamsburg where i lived thought that with my brothers for seven or eight years. Clearly forget about it. It's like some bizarre artifacts from my past. And then i think one of the most important struggles i was involved in very intimately entwined with with filmmaking and photography which was Fighting for the rights of photographers to to shoot on the street in two thousand seven and that was a a strange moment where almost under the radar they were going to change the regulations. That would have said that. In order to photograph on the street needed Million dollars coverage in a permit and you had a limitation of fifteen minutes in one place and all of these other stringent regulations that. Were just her quietly going to slide into place and it's a long story as to why those rules came up for review but basically a few of us found out about it and Within a few months we had you know. I don't know thirty thousand signatures and people like da a baker adam photo agency. And and so on and so on making a big ruckus and You know then it was a couple of years going to hearings and you know. We had our support from the new york civil liberties union. Which party connected today. Sale you and You know and we turn it around. I mean i just. I still can't believe that that At that point we manage to actually win that one to the degree that it's actually it became very a very good place to shoot the street because the there was a recognition of prioritizing the rights of the artist to do their work as a as a motive freedom of expression as long as they weren't you know actively interfering with with other people. And so you know. That was a really beautiful moment in which you know the tradition that i had been brought up in in my family of street photography because my mom married to a very important Teacher and street photographer and so that was part of my family. History was not only street photography but also this her former husband is name was sid grossman. He was blacklisted. In the mccarthy era and he couldn't he couldn't work and he died after a couple of years from heart attack in. My mother always felt that. The fbi and joe mccarthy killed him which suddenly brings me to a memory. Part of that legacy was one of the students was a great street photographer. Leeann lebanon steam and early in the days. When i met you. I remember taking you to the little storage room. Where mountain of incredible photographs were stored. And leon was largely forgotten. And i knew that you love the graffiti and that was one of the things that you know that i thought would be a special thing for us to do. So that's a that's a. It's a nice memory it certainly. It certainly has. I was going to bring up leon. I i look around. Look behind you and i look behind me. Were both in our studios here and i- siege similar stacks of things to leon's solely. Leon we had you know incredible. Lee friedlander still with us. Robert frank Recently recently left us in the storm but also left us with a lifetime unbelievable material and images and beautiful memories. I raise but also just the work that he did gary winner ground. I don't know if you saw the show. That was on of his. At the metropolitan. I did i. I i love winner. Grand and that was was amazing heartbreaking to but really also like joy joyful i remember that they had demarcation i think by color or by train images that he had printed in his lifetime right does that he had marked on context but had never been printed in his lifetime and then images that were chosen by the curator's that they they thought after after he was gone and had no saying it. They thought that these images told a story of who he wasn't what he what what type of artist she was and i thought significant to include all three but really incredible that they allowed us audience to be intelligent enough to be able to to to mark each of them so that we could distinguish one from the other. We weren't looking strictly at His body of work that he was able to print in his lifetime but the stuff that he also chose of the day chose represented. There's a degree to which freaks people out when a grand hundreds of thousands of pictures thousands and thousands of rolls of film not even processed much less printed You know there's a there's something maybe troubling and dark about. I understand when i dig through my own. Archive in reliance have hundreds of thousands of roles of selman tapes. That are never going to be reckoned with. Probably but there's also something that i think about it. Which is that When a grand and robert frank and helen levitt and beyond lend stein rbis to they love their work will. She's she's not quite as yeah. Yeah but she's a wonderful as ity and worked especially with the with kids in mental a to me A but all of those people love their work. They love shooting. They love being in the world and the you know whether or not they got to print alvin or or you know be at their shows or be at the retrospectives or get. Their do is pretty secondary to the fact that it was a very joyful thing i think it's a big misconception. People have about a lot of artists but shoot photography in particular. Which is that even. If people are doing work that can be very critical of aspects of the world that they have trouble with or that they wished would change. There's something in the doing. There's something in the in the being there in the wandering. That's totally a blast. It's totally it's it's it's exciting and it's obsessive often very funny. It's it's just a great way to spend time on this planet. And i try to remind myself of that a lot even when i get bogged down and worrying about the tobacco that is my archive or preservation than all those aspects. I know i remember that. I actually had a pretty good time collecting all those dust ball. stashing away and then every once in a while i go dig through them and i find things that are that are important to me right now. You mentioned robert franken. A lot of people. Don't know the amazing artist His wife julius Who's ninety one now. And she's been one of my favorite artists for you. Know twenty five years and i'm trying to do a portrait of her now and i'm digging through my archive and finding no. Here's a little fragment of super rate. And here's a little a little bit of an interview that i got out of her in two thousand eleven or whatever. So that's a big part of my life is to try to do some that sifting while it's possible. I would throw megyn with that list of people on the huge. He was a whole other level. But i mean there's so. There's so many i i really really love roy decarava. You know who's one of you know that it was just incredible this year to see too big shows of original prints because that's the kind of thing that and decarava is instructive. One thing that's important to note about decarava is you have to be there with the prince because some of them are so dark that it's like you can barely find john coltrane and you signed him at. It's so beautiful but it can't it can't reproduce all that perfectly and you really can't sit on screen you you can't see it on your ingredients it you know. That's not every every kind of photo that he took wasn't that way but an awful lot of work and their sublime. So i walked. I've been watching. The fran lebowitz Series show with martin scorsese. I really recommended A but but she's in a way as a writer she's documenting her world in the same way as all the photographers mistreatment of daughters has been talking about and as filmmaker. what what. What's your take on like the way things are stored now the way these things that we leave behind. Let's say you. And i are here for another fifty years and then we and then we off when we go onto the next iteration. Because you're as much of a control freak. As i am with the work that you do and with how it's presented how it's put together All the other stuff. What what's your take on that archive of stone and people through it. And and pulling from it after you're gone after i'm going i'm conflicted. I'm pretty obsessed with it. I think. I think we're at an age where that it's it's no surprise that we start to think about that kind of thing but i don't i don't know how to how to sort it. I mean in part because there's a lot of things that can control a lot of preservation has to do with having a means in the money to properly preserve things and realizing like that's just not exactly in the cards. There are some things that i'm very thankful to have gotten into collections. Like the museum of modern art has to take care of some light so my job whether they whether they want to or not you know. That's the kind of deal that i was lucky to make with some films. But there's a lot of other you know. The the raw footage showed still photographs. a lot of things are just on a federal formats bio you know. I can't move the from one inch open. Reel to sp to debate or d one to proper did no. It's an it's crazy. And there's a lot of planned obsolescence things. Just just go. You know a lot of my photo work has been done in polaroid. Those were never meant to last one hundred fifty years or one hundred years some of them you know so i'm worried about it. Let's move put one hundred and fifty years. Let's let's make it a a an absurd number amount of time Humanity still exists the twenty the twentieth century and the early part of the twenty. Th century are fascinating. The let's say the first half century or fascinating to people than like what it looks like what were people like. Why did they make the choices in the decisions of day. What let's say. The jim cohen arto is a huge part of how people are able to imagine picture what it was like to live now. Would that would that thrill you or without disturb you thinking about now well. I don't think it's bloody likely michael. But i mean it's okay just imagine at. Here's what here's what. I'll say like beta to reel to reel to a trump to vinyl to Cassette to dpd to whatever. Let's get let's get beyond all that. Let's say that by some magical thing right you're discovered and it's oh it's only one. It's the one that really shows new york city from nineteen eighty five to two twenty forty one. Then i would be mad. That i missed all the things that i missed. Because there's an awful lot of like mom and pop shops that went under that. I always meant to shoot. Didn't or a lot of people that i meant to talk to more than i did. And so on but the truth matter is i mean if you're going to ask this kind of embarrassed neat thing to say but i'm here to make the work and i want the work to travel on. I don't think it's going to travel on forever. And ever and ever. But i would love to get a few hundred years out of it i you know. One of my favorite things is stand in front of a painting from the sixteen hundreds of the fifteen hundreds and have my mind be totally blown that the colors are that unearthly present. When i'm looking at a bosscher brogel or You know. I just can't believe that we still stuck around. Now that humans get to get to stand in front of it and have their minds blowing yet again so i have hopes that i think that this is i love museums. You know i did a feature film just mostly to say. I love what a museum can do. I like that. I like art knife. Same in this life is dubious secondary. I i can't pretend that i don't. I'm not trying to make work that sticks around a little bit. So i i'm trying. I tried to do that. I tried to attend to that. I tried to. I put my. I put my effort into just making more and more and more of it in the hopes that somehow by some luck it gets found. But i'm not. I'm not able to put all of the energy into preserving it and promoting it and pushing it now. My energy has to go towards the next thing that i wanna make. 'cause we all have some crazy ability to forget what a pain in the ass. It is to actually like you're trying to finish a book right now. And it's i would guess that to some degree. It's a harrowing and you wish you. Could you know sleep a little later instead of digging through the box for that picture. Whatever it is that you have to do. I pulled an image yesterday on such a diamond so far behind deadline yesterday. And i'm replacing it out to our conversation today. So that's you know that's the thing that sometimes house has to happen but but for for for winner grant. He reached a point where that was no longer in the picture. That was no longer in the cards And and so. That's that's the way it rolled this piece to some of something did i did i find for me. One of the more fascinating aspects of our history together that we both arrived at something at the same time early ninety s. I'm going to place a it's about Some it's about our work or visual work Being timeless and then how at the same time in my memory. Correct me. If i'm on you and i arrived out that timelessness. Being a ludicrous. A position for for each of us as artists to take up and we started rather than framing out the aspects of life that link to a certain time we started framing and those aspects. You wanna talk about that. We used to but heads a lot. We talk about art. I mean that's one of my funniest earliest memories of late eighties. First time being at your place in athens and having a kind of a knock down drag out argument about like appropriation. It's still stuff that we disagree about. But there's a lot more that we do agree about. And i think that like when you mention that i think very specifically to a piece that you might have seen because it was at the high museum atlanta which was a portrait of central and eastern europe. Soon after the fall of the berlin wall. And what. I what happened to me. Is that there. Were so many places on earth that i love you know with buildings i love st by mobbed and so on but i was. I've found increasingly already years that i was having to put something that i really did. Not love Out of the frame. In order to get the shot of the beautiful old house or street or whatever and it struck me in eastern europe. When i was in at some unbelievably beautiful train station and shooting super eight and waiting further light and a a train rolled in that was like ten cars just completely the whole entire train was the coca cola logo you know as if the the train itself was just one long rolling advertisement it broke my heart but then that became part of what i was documenting and then i went on to take that in much more absurd direction with the project chain where i began to collect images of shopping malls in chain hotels and superhighway's And just sort of played this game of one of the things that i was doing was to see if i could join them. Altogether seamlessly so that you wouldn't know where you were anymore. And i you know. I as to talk to you a lot about that. In regards to greater athens area and what was happening in atlanta with the suburbs just spread and spread and spread. But another thing that i was doing also was finding that sometimes it was beautiful being in the hateful parking lot and you know looking at the weird glow from the shopping mall like i couldn't. I didn't want to pretend that that that was Not not part of the world that know that there that there is also sometimes the weird. Ud in terrible things you know. That's it's just always been a part of it. I mean i i. I thought about a lot when i was working gaza and going back and forth across the country and instrument shooting. You know fast food places and all you know and and thinking about the fact that we were moving through that landscape that has musicians. They were moving through scape that they would then reflect in their work. You know and i could hear wonderful pieces of it in their lyrics and that kind of thing. So i think i do believe in timelessness I think maybe the best thing that i did over the over. The covid lockdown bomber was. I actually did get finally read moby dick and that's a pretty damn timeless reading moby. Doing we can't believe me. I have to say the book is so weird and it so strangely funny ways that i was not prepared for and it's also it's kind of a i mean it's the loosen tori and it's completely like advanced knicks of fiction and nonfiction documentary and hallucination. Like it's so crazy ahead of. It's time that. I just couldn't believe it because i thought that it was the sort of you know. It scared me for many years. It's just this difficult. Told that i was probably never going to get to and then finally you know because of this mess i got to it and i just can't i can't get over. How modern tripped out. It is an eye. It made me really happy. One of the last things i did before. Total for the lockdown was dinner. I don't remember why. I think because it is such a tone. We'll be like this possibly enormous book. I've been told now gem if you're still reading it i don't know if you've finished i'm dying. I'm still reading. But i at this dinner. I raise the question. So i mean who here really has read moby. Doug white tossing it on every hand around. The table is party of about nine people. I was the only person who's handed and go up. And i looked around and i was like. Oh man i vote it's time to read moby dick well. We can't read everything and i have. I've there's a lot of things that i you know that i myself cell flagellate that i've never going to get to this and never going to get to that in wish that i had read. There's a lot of things at the dinner party that my hand is not going to go up. That's that's the way. There's a lot of movies that i haven't seen that people can't believe i haven't seen so isn't a one that you can name really harvinder. Awesome that you've never seen like your mind with mine. Oh no i mean. I i could go on for at length but i don't. I don't wanna do that. Because it's i don't know it would be a list cicle or whatever they call now i mean i. I don't really keep up. I just. I don't keep up. I mean you could name anything this actor and probably i've never seen him. Nfl believe it or not it. it's true current contemporary. And i i'm not proud of that. Actually there are a lot of things that i just wish i had time for but again i i'm not in my studio. I'm in my. I'm in my studio. But i'm in my apartment and when i roll out of bed you know. I've got stacks of things that need to be logged and need that i want to edit and all of that and so i do very little actual movie watching at home and occasionally You know it's like it's great to be able to take a moment. With the criterion channel and catch up with something like watch chantal ackerman movie that i wasn't able to catch ever before or the thing that i'm trying to remind myself to do right now. Is i think that they still have a bunch of may west movies and and may west is like moby dick. Like shockingly said. Oh my god this is too good happy birthday baby. We did not prepare this. Are you ready for what it. It's a oh my god. That is so funny. Two sided mae west of here in the seventies. This is part of a project that i did that. I it's ongoing But became assessment certain figures from the past who were larger than life And what i landed on. You know. I i did the hoping would Roy cohen on the darker side. Oh god james. Dean of course. Marilyn monroe of course marlon brando of course mae west. What i want. What landed on really truly was brandon and so banda will be with me through the rest of my life but anyway i have an archive of may. We're and so happy birthday baby. This is for you. I mean you know we have to be thankful for things like may west but you know when you bring up this whole issue of archives and who you know and and watts everlasting and what isn't everything always turns to just not who is a deep deep part of our background and i uh detoured for a minute to say. It's not the very first time i met you because the very first time i met you you won't remember. Which is that your band. Rem was opening for the ventures. I had the first single and because of the strength of that single new haven at a place. Yeah okay. I don't remember where it was but it probably was toads in new haven so you were opening for the ventures i came i liked the ventures that i wasn't there to see them we saw rem. I came to talk to you after van. That's the first one the second time that we met. Though i do not night knows may west. Wasn't it that night. Actually probably one of the worst pizza. I've ever eaten but i ate four pieces cause i was literally starving to jane. Pratt was that makes perfect sense right. Was there that my we opened for the benches exactly wants the guys might refute out but i distinctly remember toads place that would be right and anyway I don't remember you know i it was. I mumbled a few words. And you believe me you bumbled them back. Maybe even more quietly It was a great great show in which you did not budge for niagara phone. You held the mike in both hands and you stared at a spot on the ceiling and did not engage with the audience. One bit and i thought it was one of the coolest things i've ever seen which it was. I mean it was. It was beautiful. It was a beautiful strange performance. But anyway then i came down to athens georgia in my old chevy and i was you know you had given me kind of cryptic instructions about a find you But i pulled into a little place called the java coffee shop slash bicycle repair. If i recall correctly and i sat down and at the next table was a young guy in a wheelchair. talking to a mr see right and having some wild conversation about american history probably and they were very welcoming and they were very kind to me as a kind of mystery yankee who had just pulled in. And that's how i met vic. And then i found out that you had dragged that he was a musician you had dragged into the studio for the little recordings and then eventually i ended up at one of the greatest moments of my life which is when you are producing west rome and i was because of A a good project silicon A great friend and wonderful filmmaker He was working on his coach. Vic and had hired me at higher stretching word but brought me along. And i ended up sitting in on that whole session of west brom and it was one of the most It will never get any better than that anyway. Brought all this up in my most circuitous fashion. Actually i can be much more Circuitous even the nat. But i don't know how famous victims going to be invictus. Beloved by many people and many people of many musicians have high regard. Love chestnuts He's not he was never long in in great security but he hasn't gotten anywhere near is due in the scheme of music and history. I mean to me as a writer. He is an american master on. Par with all of the american masters and i have sought long and hard about vic because i assumed that it would go another way probably right around the time of his death. I thought he would be everywhere and the truth. Was that on his last tour with some of the greatest musicians that i know members of through gauzy and godspeed you buck emperor and other extraordinary musicians. They played in boston too. I don't know fifty seventy five people you know. That's outrageous to me but you know how many but it's also the the the the ridiculously over told story about the tiny number of people in the room at the who saw the velvet underground. And then i would change their lives and so. I don't know that it matters that much that vic was never giant by today's standards or on social media. Or you know i don't i just i don't know i know i know that the do that i think of them every day and i mean every day and i know that i that i i just love his work so much and i'm so glad that he he made a lot of it. You know he made so much of it but i don't know what it means to think of like. Why the hell that. Why the hell was the crowd. That's lol in boston. For what i guarantee was one of the most powerful musical experiences that people could have experienced that night. And somehow did you know so. I don't i i can't really quite get my head around that and ideal. I grapple with it all the time in terms of a lot of artists that i love. Who are who are obscure. You know when when. I met benjamin from and then eventually long before i did. Benjamin smoke mean that was an obscure ban like you are georgia. So benjamin was infamous to you but outside of georgia people never really knew about smoke. We have to remind ourselves of that when we when we saw into these are obsessions about promotion or or or lights or or how many followers we have or how many followers so and so has it is Sometimes these are actually kind of interesting tools that can that can bring things around the world in interesting ways where people can discover them. So i don't want to do it like a knee jerk rejection of all of that stuff. But i do think we we have to we have to moby. Dick was a bust not moby. Dick came out and sale. We'll same within go. I mean a lot of a lot of that. Yeah and so you know we might. One of my great regrets is done. I don't know that. I gave as much as i admired and loved vic as much as an you may reference to this but i'll just back it up by saying i met vic before he'd ever recorded anything and my first conversation with him. I said let's get you in a studio before you kill yourself. And so i wound up a producing his first album little and then west of rome which you just spoke. How wilner who. We lost to covid this year. One of my most admired producers and music lovers. The guy who literally Encyclopedic about every musical form ever recorded. How once paid me the greatest compliment. I've ever been paid when he said the west was the best produced album he'd ever heard i could believed. I still hold out. As the greatest compliment. I've ever received Right on and right onto how wilner mean what a what a beautiful man that once you know i mean and he went down taking risks him. An arc arcane musical knowledge especially about jazz that i don't think can be equalled which is heartbreaking but it's also it's also pretty joyous to remember how lucky it was to be able to sit at some diner and hear him tell stories and so that's what we have to remember more than what disappear but How was was I'll never meet anybody again. Like calendar and i met. How wilner for you early on the first one that i did. I went to deliver it in woodstock new york and ended up at this crazy party and i was so freaked out that i didn't like you did just scared knows the todd rundgren cells. Yes we don't go into that whole party but suffice to say i hit it up in the kitchen talking to how willing about mary margaret. O'hara was at the time you know not very well known and and wilder revered her. As do you estimate dick as do i to this day. we know that She is one of the greats. So you know all these people that were just talking about yourself. Mary margaret vick. How are all portrayed in my next book of portraits. Yeah so i d- bringing this to me. I meet a pointed effort today not to talk about missile which is very difficult for me but i think the the resonance of the work of these people carries on however it does and and we also have to remind ourselves to keep Discovering new people. I mean i i when i wrote the when i wrote the Memorial spiel for vick at his service. I talked about how vic turned me onto cd right. This incredible poet who we also you know lost a few years ago but cd right. I i might not have heard of her if it hadn't been for vick and then you know she's she's a she's one of the epic forces i mean she's quite well known in the world of poetry certainly but she should have been known to me and now right now reading looking at excuse me these incredible photo books by this guy. Stephen gill They're just they're such a joy there so amazing to me under so beautifully made one thing that he got that he got out there little than other things. He did a book where he put a camera on post in a field in in the out in nowhere and then it was right a few feet away from another post and it was triggered whenever a bird landed on one so it was like bird self-portrait and they're so astonishingly strange and beautiful. He's like one man factory. I've incredible book making. If you're i encourage people to go to his site called nobody books. They're very very beautiful. They're very well and it's just it's just like it's it's just making me so happy to be able to sit with his stuff and i'm you know i'm listening to a sax player. Not a roberts who is just you know just like i'm just so happy to be like sitting and listening to her and knowing that i don't have any idea what kind of music this could be identified as his. It might be jazz and it might be improv. It might be something that doesn't that there isn't the name for it but it's it's just it's great no and i'm listening to My friends Jim white and george your z. Laura so i think you've seen this incredible duo and then but jim recently did a record with guitar side. No name maria sanderson. It's it's just a wildly beautiful record that that Unhappy to be hearing. I also aside from reading moby dick. The another thing that i did over this crazy time is forced myself to really listen to joni mitchell because i had never i just never really been on the joni mitchell train and i saw like i did that at it was good. It was great. Know a so a and then there's you know there's things that i did. You wind up liking her. I ended up completely blown away by particularly by blue which is like the one that that is like maybe easier to fill like for people who don't love joe joni mitchell. I've come back. Come back to the beverly glenn copeland. I don't know if you know that that worked. It's incredible and i always think of when of joni. Mitchell tip is the one who introduced joni mitchell the world of hip hop. Wow i'm going to have to google after this. I did a lot of research and looked at several of your of your pieces of your films. And i came up with a index card like like sally jesse raphael. I wanted to read the or topics that i wanted to touch on with you. Okay lupus is looking to your work. But it's really referencing. I bring it back to vic to patty to. I'm going to throw joni mitchell. And they're not a a again. I was never on the train. But i'm gonna guess that through what i presume. This immense instinct on her part that she arrives out a lot of the choices that she makes us a recording artist or as an artist through mistake. And i wanted to talk about that. That's my number one. But i we're gonna start without god is in the mistake so what is a mistake. And how does that push you out of your head and into a larger part of of an instinctual unconscious put path of discovery when when making things when making films when making music when writing lyrics when writing prose i would i would throw many of the people that we truly truly admire into that list. There's god is in the mistake. There's music and film and how they come together and how a visual and sound work together and that's something that you work with a huge amount beauty in the extraordinary the elevation of the ordinary And that's something that again is a filmmaker you've worked with dissonance and juxtaposes juxtaposition and i think a lot about your Your visual i and how you marry that with often dissonant music Or or musical passages and the people that you've chosen to work with and then the other things we've covered although there's there's one last one and it does actually really apply sentimentality and its place. I think that there's nothing bigger than than chance in my in my work. And i i don't. I don't do all of my work as a street photographer by by any means and i'm not one of the great st the talk refers. I mean when. I watched my friend michael ackerman on the street. I realize like he's a street photographer street. Because he's fearless. In a way that i'm not and i'm more i'm reticent in in a way that using but but i will say that the thing about street Graffiti are about documentary. That matters so much to me in a in a way is that you can't control it like you're you're standing somewhere and things are bouncing it. You like article physics and you don't you don't know what they're going to be. You don't know what's coming around the corner so you have to accept that and as as people who are kind of control freaks that's a weird thing to complete embrace but it's wonderful you know and and it it it also you know like it has to do with a book just described about the birds you know it has to do with Improvised music it has to do with a lot of love to for. Gaza never had a set list. They never played with the sexiest every single night. Every single song could go to any other song. But they weren't improv musicians. In in the way that some other improv musicians dedicate their lives to that you know but but they built it in to their to their way of working that was completely integral you know and so those that kind of thing is crucial to To accept chance to accept an embrace things. Something that you that. You're not going to be able to control and to celebrate that. I don't edit like a normal person because i never in part because i never i never learned to do and i never really interested me. 'cause i always thought like editing is like thinking it is free association in pictures and sounds so if you want to emphasize the free part well that that has nothing to do with what most traditional moviemaking thinks about editing as they think they think about rules and how you will tell a story by getting from here to here through the editing and i i for whatever reason never picked up a threw it away. I am interested in this notion of how you how it can be free like thought and so there are things that i will never know until i try them and i there. If i put this sound next to that picture. I can think all i want that. It'll work or that. It won't work. But i don't know and then i do it and then i can completely take me by surprise. And that's just one of the great. The great pleasure is to be is to have your presuppositions hijacked and have something work in some strange way. As far as you know. I i have to be careful talking about music image because i have to avoid a tirade that i've given too many times. Which is my tirade about music video You know. I can sum it up by saying that. My trouble with with music. Video is in part that i think it became a form of advertising and i don't think that the primary or dominant way in which images and music are joined in our lifetimes should be advertising like i just. I consider that to be unacceptable. And so i had problems with the industry but the other problem i had was with the kind of one to one correspondence with image and sound that i realized was actually not at all difficult to do like. It's very easy to cut on the beat and it's very easy to To make images work with music in a really easy way and that that's a content for twenty five thirty years now i've been chore minting myself with that challenge of trying to have images and sound work in ways that are that are how mysterious or somehow freeing somehow not what you lick expect and i for the most part. I got out of music video with a few exceptions but i did one recently. For wonderful musician jessica moss. I don't know if you watched that weren't solo violent person. And she's doing wonderful work as she she was in band. Silver mount zion. But now she's doing this great solo war and i had our fun. Tell you about. I'll be brief. I watched it. I thought you sent me a list of things and some of them might seem to others. I had not. I watched it and the one that you had on your list and the directly after that was patti smith. Reciting about about passages. Right are we. I forgot i opened new window. I went to video. And i was like. Wow jimmy this really wild. He's taking this like mistake and music thing so far that just patti smith reciting This dialogue is beautiful dialogue in her voice over this incredible imagery of built this incredible. I'm like am i in rome. Am i in paris. It turns out on in paris. But i thought i was in rome but voices mixed so low because you have this crazy music playing behind it now. I know it's d music music so insane and gasunie to howdy but then have this music like rounding out to half of it and the film ends visually ends and music keeps going for twelve minutes. I'm like what is he doing. And then i realized that the video that i have seen of jessica is that her name cello jessica moss the violence a sorry video had onto the next they were they had and loop and i can tell you what it was. In fact it was very jim cohen. It did not. it actually worked with passages. I took his critics out. When i realized my mistake. Thought you would really. This is a very walker. Percy kind of moment for both of us i think manual minnows babied house to fall. Get so this is a great piece. Effort is one of my dear friends from is the person one of the one of the found founders of godspeed you black emperor. And he's doing great work right now in the do doing great work in a duo with kevin doria sings thinks sink. I always get the name wrong. Fm's a great musician. And i we go back a long way so that would work with that piece. It's actually the peace of mind as a film that very few people have seen called the passage clock which is really attribute to walter. Benjamin benjamin won't entrance. More anti chris marker anti patty and You know it's a weird guest this district still from it. Yeah that's a. That's a church in paris. And i shouted with bullock's in sixteen millimeter. And then there wasn't. I was trying to make this in time to have it be shown in like a ridiculous window of like two weeks so i the only people who could turn the footage around was a local lab that was artists run called lab manab knob. Like i don't speak french but it was like the abominable lama annable at so. I took it there and the footage came out looking like it had been buried in jerk for one hundred and fifty years which was perfect for the peace. And so you know that was a. I was very pleased. four patios show emmy was for for paddy show i. I was very honored to be able to collaborate with pieces for this big show that they were doing her work at At in paris and that was one of the films that was done in three weeks. Time to to to to be in it so Chance mistake they are all and patty is doing in that piece. She is reading all of the definitions of the word passage from the oxford english dictionary. Which want for probably ten or twelve pages. And then i did like a up. As per william burroughs of her reading those definitions. And i moved around in my edit made sense to me with the images and then i wrote some text of my own. So it's totally about that. It's about all of this. It's about it's about the ephemeral in about chance and about mistakes which are mistakes. That aren't mistake. It's a beautiful show. It's a beautiful piece. By the way. You're i went back and watched it without without. I will tell after debt. It's funny is a nice story. And i love. His music is okay but anyway Another memory that i will bring you in on is When i was the video for country feedback. That was one of the first places where i was deeply embedded. i dunno. It was a battle. Because i'm really liked the song and i didn't even think really that it should have images with it and i had to do them and i kept hearing them away. I put a bunch of things in. I shot a bunch of snuff. It kinda worked and then it pissed me off because worked fine worked well and i kept pulling images away and i remember i just remember feeling weirdest the weirdest feeling i would step out of the edit room and i felt like physically almost -ill with wanting to just pair it down more and more and thinking that sometimes it would really be best to to listen to something and looking looking at something very minimal. So that the image and the and the sound would meet in and not beat each other up because they usually one of them usually beats the other one up. And i wanted complete accord with the united exactly the way and at the same time i was a pop star in a partis in an mba. You you had to navigate in waters where those were not always viable rules. Let's say. I made some terrible regret regretful of choices but there are any ways together was not was not among those. Well i learned. That's the point. The point being the weird thing is is that. I'm still in this fight and i can't seem to solve it so i formed weird thing called grabbed hill sound image in which i do. These live shows with projected images. And then i asked musicians that i love to work with them and sometimes it we we we hash it out together and something is composed and it has to be very tight sometimes. They're accused like we did that. Show about cape breton. Could we have anchor. That i think he saw camera. Yeah and and you know they had to get in and out for like documentary material for dialogue so it had to be very tight. It's not an improvised show but there are other shows. Do where i you know will will cut them loose. And i'll i will create images sometimes which are very Which are very I i just. It's fascinating to me. And i can never feel quite get it right but i i i i keep trying and i. There are a lot of circumstances. In which frankly. I don't wanna work with music image. I barely put music in my films. These days for the most part and then of course when i make a rule like that i try to kick my own ass a little bit and see if there's a way in which i need to break my rule so you know i i don't wanna it's not like i'm not going put music in my film soundtracks But i i also intend to like movies more where they don't do it where they resist the temptation. But i do. These live shows where i get to tangle with it in a different way because it's going to happen one night and you know and so i i don't. I'm not record those just wondering i know. They're rarely recorded it. It's it breaks my heart. Frankly because some of them are like were in istanbul or porto or or you know new jersey for one night and it's ever going to happen again or it's never going to happen that way but you know that's kind of like the license a lot of musicians play live you know. You have to sort of accept that but every once in a while it does get documented. I do have to say. I'm going to get off the phone. I there's this thing. There are two things that i am cursed with and one of them. I don't do that many interviews. But you know i have. I know this thing. It's like interview remorse or like the ghost on the staircase. A great french word for spirit on the as you're leaving the the the room or the building you encounter decision that you wish you had done you know and it's just yeah. Those things are that we are in coded and we are in a political crisis and i. I'm glad that we didn't soak in it for the last hour and a half because we're soaking it all the time everybody's soaking in it and it can be dark no but we have to be reminded him that we are. I can't ignore that. We are in that as we talk and what. I remind myself whenever. I'm in the middle of that. Is that a lot of people are in a time of crisis all the time every day and they don't need covid to tell them that because they don't know where the money's gonna come from for the next meal or they work three jobs or they don't have health insurance and so you know i don't. There are a lot of ways that we're going to as a culture going to have to grapple with that a- as i you know a week ago last zoom doing a little bit of banking for indivisible. I talked to a guy in georgia i got. I got a right winger on the phone and we went at it for twenty minutes or half an hour. I wish it was productive. I don't know that it wants when i couldn't understand. Is that you know. He was arguing from a libertarian. Point of view saying that the worst thing for him was big government. People taking away the guns. But i said to him. Hey man diff- health insurance and he said no. He said no he had no health insurance. Where in a pandemic. And he's telling me that his biggest fear is big government and i said man vic chestnut had pre existing conditions and was started by medical debt. We need health insurance in this country. We're going to have to work on that together as a country you know. And so that's one of the things that people are trying to do as they work on all these other crises and problems and it again. We had this terrible incident with congress and this kind of infiltration riot takeover. But everybody's got to keep their eyes on the the takeover that is not just about what happened on january six it got think about the corporate takeover that makes too many decisions based on money and not based on the sustainability and so leaves the politics that but just to say that you know. That's what i'm reminded of in these times is to remember that the crisis doesn't end wendy vaccines come and a lot of us. Feel like we're in the safety zone now. No so young the whole other topic that we could have gotten into which. I'm also i just don't have answers. I just don't have solutions that. I wish i had has to do with launch. Let it has to do with how people are coming together as musicians as activists and so on but there's this underlying pressing dilemma. Which is how we can use things like the internet and let people know about good stuff. But also how are we going to make. Making stuff sustainable. How do we. How do how artists keep going like. I don't know i. It seems terribly clear to me. That spotify is not a solution. It's has become part of the problem. I was you know. I don't have social media presence. And i don't know if that's a good thing or a really bad thing because a lot of the things that we talked about in this hour are things that nobody has ever heard of. Because i'm not gonna taste book so they couldn't read about it on facebook. Which is where people read about stuff and so it's not necessarily like. I'm not necessarily thrilled or proud that i'm not on social meeting. I mean i'm not happy that you know that i'm i. I'm single and people each other on the internet. Apparently like there's a lot of things that i just haven't solved you know. My love pouty has taken the platform of instagram and completely corrupted in and corrupted of but she's she's made her own thing she doesn't know the rules of of this particular platform and so she's used it as kind of beautiful sharing and teaching device is really made it work and i go to her instagram. And i i. I you know sort of not john cat and chat power. I go to her instagram. Because she's fired up. And i love to see it taps me into strains of activism that i that i often miss. There's a lot of that. But i still so like a couple of weeks ago. I almost i convinced to do an instagram. And i and i realize like i've got a million like pictures that i would love for people to see and i started no old postcards i mean not just my own stuff but just i collect old photos. I've got a bunch of weird. And then i read the instagram terms. And you know it's like they say we do not own what you post on instagram. And then in the small print they say but we can do whatever we want with it and we can give it to a third party to do whatever we want with it. That's really disturbing. I don't know now whether i feel okay about going ahead and doing that account. I am the i'm conflicted. So these are issues that we need as artists to somehow get. Are you know that we need to work on it. I know i know that. Like mark remote works on them with his with the organizing that he does of musicians getting fair pay and fair. Do you know and and there are people who are specifically concentrated on it but i still want us all to be aware i mean. I know that you had instagram and twitter. I think and well you never twitter but you had an instagram. And you bailed on it and that's very intr- that was an interesting moment twice twice. I left it and that came back. Did something really absurd with it. Where i would photograph myself with other very famous and very renowned people who've done incredible things that i would cut them out of the image. All you saw was my face being and then you get half of someone rusty or half of tilda swinton or half of whoever. It was patty smith. I do not i. I don't know what to make of that. But anyway but i read the book Jaren jaron lanier book. And i already knew that i wanted to leave social media because there's an addictive element to it. That is not good for me on not enright person. But i'm a person of a certain age. And i'd like myself on instagram. Way too much and it just was eating. Let me just identify that book. I think it's a very important book called. I believe it's i am not a gadget. Some ten reasons leader social okay. There's some both jaron lanier earlier. One i think was called. You are not a gadget or something was lines. But look him up and the ten reasons There's some very important thinking there but you know there's also like joy to see patties instagram. And i'm frankly. I'm thankful story so know But also be completely happy for her if she decides at some point that she's done she has his don't agree and a better platform is going to come sooner. The sooner the better a better platform that doesn't claim in the small print that they can do with your content whatever they would look forward to that jaron lanier aside and i recommend also go and check out his books in his ideas about social media about these platforms that you and i both do not participate in. There is a new thing that you're doing at an i in in looking up to have this conversation today. Talk about that because you put some some of your short pizzas for rent and even some of the longer ones. Yeah i finally during this whole coun- period I felt bad that there were a lot of things that i've made that. Nobody had any way to access. Really i mean if you're a university or or a little museum or film festival than you could probably access them for people it. It was really hard to do. Are impossible so i did start to To use video on demand and There's a page fair that people can go to. And i i will continue to put up in finally with a good of advice. Let's how conversations in terms of In terms of your archive terms of all of your word where it's gonna go what's gonna wind up with compete with someone at the new york. Public library is your said than done. But i i ll libraries. They do wonderful work. i what. I'm really thrilled about his. If people are in washington. Dc they can go to. The archives of john cohen no relation but a great so maker of incredible photographer. Wonderful musician great. Great banjo player. He left us a year or so ago and is stuff is in the library of congress being preserved right now in the most wonderful way so this is something also that can access and look forward spew and thanks to them for doing that right on less which of the newark public library. I went to are the personal archive of virginia. Woolf was. that's amazing that might be where the personal belongs in all your work. I'd just kind of you. maybe we'll end with. That is a one time. One show only event which was a show called evenings civil twilight in empires of tin. That i did with vic and potato tight griffin and and katherine mcrae and a bunch of other people jessica. Moss was a big banned from a bunch of wonderful solid musicians. Took it on. But it was terrifying. It was a big show complicated as now it was a it was a reflection on empire having that was a contrast between the bush empire and the habsburg empire is we were doing show in vienna so it had to do with a writer that i love joseph ralston And a book called the rodeschini march that i recommend and we did this crazy show but it was really built around vic and vicks some of his existing music that sedan bizarrely enough to critique of empire and we did it but it was it was by the seat of our pants and it was one of those things where a long line of people had to be held at the door while we desperately tried to get our ship together with like sound problems in the room and then it happened for an hour and a half and it will never happen again. It's impossible but luckily it was documented. you know it's a little primitive gives it was shot in. Dv but actually think they did that. They did a good job. And i ended it. I added it into a long form called empires of tin that discreet label in montreal Has on available dvd. So the german guy with a wonderful voice reciting. Yes bobby who ended up. That's that's when. I first murphy bob. You ended up being a museum hours. So that's the same but that's the same guy. That's how i met him. I listen to him. He was a driver. A non actor sometimes working as a waiter and he had a great voice and and we put him in asked him if would read these taps and he did such a beautiful job. Breeding them that i thought. Wow i'm so. This guy took museum hours. That's well anyway. Yeah so again. Chance later driver non actor youthful voice but him in this and then ask him if he can do that and he was great in it So think that's a perfect way to end anyway. I love you so much. Welcome its twenty twenty one. We are moving towards the light. We're moving away from the ashtray. Darkness the shadow so of twenty twenty covert is with us. People were hurting everywhere. But i do believe that. There's there's a brighter day. I i second that i don't know if i can raise it but i'll try a little bit my heart to yours. Okay lou those arrested cd authors of the time real that rafa take you to full way. they build them themselves. Say by the tone Turns but Then in a pan for fun for fun Had a colleen anyway just kept dialing sad besides the big shrine. Greece shrine How it's majesty on a dead end street. It was a very long journey. Took a lot of energy. Stroz rawls the flat battlefield in the sun. Fill these launch left teams to create an intentional space that highlights and empowers all artists for whom radical creativity is not a choice but necessity launch left begins with music but it's ultimate aim is to launch of artists in all creative fields.

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Rachael Leigh Cook

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12:23 min | 5 months ago

Rachael Leigh Cook

"I had gone with Mario Lopez. Mario Lopez join zoom for the Netflix Film. Love. Guaranteed Actress Rachel Lee Cook Welcome to the show. Rachel, you look great. How have you been? Think good I mean I would say being busy now I don't think anyone's busier than you guys. Thank you. I. Know I'm trying to burn the candle both ends here and in the middle. How have you been during this time? You look like, I said you look timeless that you'll have the same last saw which is. Compliment I'm meaning that. Only. Thank you only be in a particularly signature Operandi. Thank you. AETNA series factor I can say the same we do this all day. Well, let's talk about your new movie. Then we'll get into love guaranteed obviously a ROM com. What's the premise of this? Okay. So I was intrigued by this false advertising lawsuit that I had heard about where this this group of people sued Kors ear for not being actually made with Rocky Mountain. Spring water where come on we're both old enough to remember that that tagline courts backing Well, you know why that went away why did it go with? This is a real live this is real. This is real. He wasn't true and some people found out that it was not actually I'm sure they're using gray water it was not from announced so. You know after a while it wasn't the advertising flow. This group of people said Hey that's been proudly supporting the pro Ragas in said waters there from buying product I allow field fronted. You gotta pay up your pain, Viga pay my friends you've got your advertising I just thought that was such an interesting because really do like. That but I thought what's it very cool extension of and I'm so I am just a rom com nurse through and through like for my life there. My favorite. I appreciate a good one to. Get It of course. Like what if a dating site basically made a very foolish mistake of guaranteeing love like if you read the fine print on their user agreement and it said, if you don't, if you go on two thousand dates and you don't meet the love of Your Life you know what will eat has where like me guaranteed or your money back guarantee guarantee word is legally binding language. So I find. Would be a great ron common has got to be a lawyer. So you're I know that is an incredible backstory and what an inspiration from cores light. This netflix film that in and of itself is Romantic I. Correlation of for since again so Long winded answer. No no I loved it. It was very thorough. You're working with Damon Wayans Junior. I do good guy good guy. We've had them in here a few times. So yeah. Now, how did he handle the romance part? Is more romantic comedy because he's involved. Let me see you know. David really brought it can smolder printing. Your murder be through saying that the role as ways but. He knows he knows how when you need to he's so funny like I will say apple let me also qualify the Damon is the least accurate actor is the least like vein actor I've ever worked with so he would absolutely that Oh. That's a nice compliment. That's a nice compliment. You mentioned you mentioned his dating APPs, which, of course, begs the question have you yourself used dating ask before? I have. Oh, you have. Okay in an hour. How was the experience? I had some of the very classic experiences. had the one where you talk to someone for like a month, and then they disappear had the one where it turns out they don't have a home. Yet. Adventurous All all the hits. All the Scottish. Stealing, my gosh. No absolutely. Did you film this by the way where did you feel this on I'm assuming that it was pre pandemic. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We were filming in Denker. Spent near as well. It's absolutely all we're doubling. So the rain I guess you could say human handy. was also in writing. Yeah not too far away either right there. So you've also done three then you're movies for hallmark any plans to play Frankie? Baldwin again. You. Know I think. Here's the thing I'm just going to be honest with you. Each of those movies had a very strong story line about how things kept going wrong with the line and I think that it's GonNa start seeming like we just don't actually know how to make wine very well. These movies look people are going to say, where are these two donors do? I don't know how to make wine. Right, I love the name by the way Frankie, Bolton's a great name. Check later. One of my daughters is one of my daughters I have A. Daughter after kids only one daughter she's a Francesca. Frankie stick because my wife's got a sister who's got a kid that's already frankie she's stolen the name at the whole thing. I hear. That, we're going to call her charlie. She's like my name's Charlotte Yeah my other son dominate to he doesn't he's not big fan of nicknames either he likes he's my name's dominic. So the whole thing speaking of which, how many how many kids do you have a holiday today I have to? You, I will never forget talking to you when I was pregnant with my daughter. Snow freaked out. At least point five APP law. Because this would have been a little over six years ago. Yeah. It was. It was in our studio when we were downstairs. Yeah that's right. That's right. Forget this moment because I was really nervous or having my first kid I remember saying you how are you on? You know keep it alive and you were like you know what you just gotTa take time for you gotTa make date nights and I was like I meant the baby. I. The best moment ever. Get into it with me about how Great it was of scary. The first bite you want you'll go and you check make sure their breathing and the crib thing. Now, by the time you get to the third one you guys fide. He's good. He's good. Here's a fun fact what are your earliest gigs was modeling for the cover of the milk bone box? You remember anything about that photo shoot with the dog Yet like. I also remember how roll your classmates be when you're in like second grade. You think it's going to be like this whole thing accidentally just mentioned in classes that you did and then your classmates like how which one's the dog in your. Home. Crowley WHO's laughing now? Exactly. Probably still that. We originally by the way Rachel. Minneapolis. Okay. You're you're. Right on the southern Kelly Kid. Born and raised in La my sister lived in Minneapolis for about five years actually went to go visit her enabled Eden Eden Prairie I think the name of the neighborhood. Is a lovely supper I used to take gymnastics now. We're GONNA, talk about. them now six. Okay. Good to go to another fun fact. This she's she's now in Houston Texas quite the. I think we if we found the moment in this interview that that Rachel will never forget. Only. Here. She had she husband was a professional football player and he played for the Vikings, and then he moved to the. New Deal was with the Texan sell bench he remained there. So yes, I she. Won't answer. I mean that's that's the truth. All. Right Rachel GonNa put you on the spot. Quick questions. Quick answers. Okay. What's your favorite show me favorite show you've been during quarantine. I. This is hard this hard probably ninety day fiance or India matchmaking on death's with your Indian matchmaking on Netflix haven't heard wait is that. What is that? Is that specifically, for Indian people they match make Washington the title. Okay. I was mine I would have to say. Probably the last season Moser I. Think would probably be the best favorite show that I've seen. Do you watch? Oh. I start. Getting your family man, you could you have found a way to keep your family out of this? Yes once I surrendered the the reality of of. Of that particular equation I enjoyed the show. that. Very good point. It is a very good point is that sometimes you don't have a choice, our cartels and. They don't leave you much choice who is a little guy behind you there. Triscuit. Animal. Christina's. Hey. WHAT'S UP TRISCUIT? Guy. Oh We got question. All right. Go to Karaoke Song. Lock like an Egyptian. Okay please or you can talk your way through most I think it's a pretty solid choice that is a solid choice. I'm so glad you didn't answer with a ballad that's my number one pet peeve. Ballads at Karaoke come on. Right. Now I need. You know you're. So what is it? It varies depending on the amount of alcohol consumed I. Usually like to start out with a little Lionel Ritchie. And little all night long you know my friends come on. This with a lot of alcohol correct. Maybe two. Then it can get crazy like metallica into the Sandman. Depends there's levels there's levels to this role level. But this is about you Rachel next celebrity crush up. Besides Mario Lopez. Okay didn't didn't go right way Michael Stipe. Oh Amore yet. That didn't go. That's What the APP you use the most. See Apple maps because. No I'm all about it. The way you go there you go the way sometimes I'd been finding out Jackson up a little bit. Sometimes. It takes you out of the ways. Well, it takes you a whole different way different ways exactly and last question something you've learned about yourself in twenty twenty. We have learned about myself in twenty twenty. Self? taught me that. Kind of annoying. misfit a lot of time with me real eye opening. My Life. Yes, it can be quite therapeutic and. Beautiful Sauerbrun. At No sourdot grand show for this time. I think I've learned in twenty twenty. And can't wait to learn more I don't know it's a solid answer I like that we always keep growing. It's nice to see you and catch up. Hopefully we'll. We'll get you here in person soon when this when this madness is over in meanwhile everyone checkout love guaranteed out now on Netflix's Rachel thanks again for checking in. The to take care. With Lopez.

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American Whiner  Episode 104

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18:37 min | 1 year ago

American Whiner Episode 104

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WWW dot com I tested dot com before information oh hey as it going it's Wednesday signed for American wider my name's Alex how the fuck are you doing I'm great man I'm great got a everybody have a great week I'll be back this has been American winer podcast Detroit had there it is all right so now I can take notes so I don't lose track of what I'm talking about so like I said I don't really have us on nine eleven they had Hulu mini series about a couple of years ago with Jeff Daniels but any books to talk about I struggled I like I like Jack Catch them there's a couple of you know paperback Horror Authors that I've read you know but most of my the thing and that's three so seven the classic David fincher movie of a sort of the his coming out movie he directed alien three and have discussed many times before so so yeah I'm Gonna I'm GonNa try and do something realized most of the stuff that I read is the real world right now I'm reading the looming tower by Lawrence Right which is the story of Al Qaeda came together and how the FBI failed to realize they were going to attack it unlike this wooden cabinet like I don't I it used to be like right in the hall students pass it But I don't know if they moved it abstaining from America's favorite drug sugar so you have to that's why it's happening you're going through withdrawal because I'm not normally like that I don't usually sit around when I was a kid I had these books by author named Daniel Cohen he died last year I just found out but they're like one of those talk about our favorite horror movies and books I asked him to pick three of each and and then I was GonNa pick three beach but yeah so I've I couldn't really come up with any fucking books but the three movies that I came up with our seven the silence of the lambs Verdone normally when guests details on your doesn't show up which doesn't happen that often I just don't do the shell but I was already sitting here and I hadn't heard anything can come up with three fucking favorite horror books I guess I just really like Stephen King that's the only thing I really liked when it comes to horror I'm actually reading right now I had in fact saying but yes seven he directed it and it's just a fucking I saw when I was a teenager and just thanks I was like fuck it I'll try and do like half an hour I did I went over last week so I figure if I do half an hour this this week it'll bounce out and so yeah children's books with a ghost stories are based on like supposed to be based on real haunting like what's one that like Jeremy Bentham the philosopher had his body preserved into an why Kahn is what he called it it's basically like a now it's mostly waxed but it's at this university in England and it just sitting there it's his fucking body Ah let me struggle to get the NOTEPAD Open here so I can take notes so that I don't run out of shift to talk about I am trying to lose weight right now so I haven't been eating sugar so I am in aid there are people who listen to this that haven't seen it yet but you haven't seen it it's about a serial killer who kills people based on the seven deadly sins and Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt Couple of years before that which is considered the worst movie alien franchise but that mostly was because it from the way they tell from way he tells it is because the studio was I know that his head started to decay like soon after he died so they had to replace the wax head but they kept his original head now looks even Google that it's absolutely terrifying but that was and so the studio has started like all right kid yeah here's your notes this is what we want and whenever that happens the movie tends to suck in saline three suck but seven film written by Andrew Kevin Walker was the name of the screenwriter and the plot for I mean I don't Know Fuck It's twenty five years old now so maybe read and the story plays out in a way that you really again if you if you never seen it it's you'll never get I I just have the most negative thoughts coursing through my head and every time I it happens like really get into it I have to remind myself this because you're not you're not enjoying I'd say around like the mid to thousands and you really start to see that super fincher palate where it's like really dark and really and things like that I used to be but I don't anymore it's been quite a while ever since I grew up fuck as the note patterns Goddamn thing notepad it has that that fincher looked to it but not again this was the first one where he really got to be himself so it doesn't have that overdone like I don't think it's ever mentioned by name it's just this sort of Noir city and it's it's a beautifully shot film it's it's mind but I have my facebook and facebook them and he said he was he said cheers looking forward to it when I messaged him a week ago saying here's what we're going to be talking about Blah Blah Blah we were that's the way it ends and in fact there's like means the ending is so iconic now that they're memes based on it and at the end but he's played by very famous actor I is he was a new director who had worked on you know music videos and production and things like that but that was his first feature as far as I know as far as I know this is what I've heard I just facebook message he hasn't called in yet skype does have a tendency to not work so at least that's how it's been lately so I'm not sure if he's GONNA call I won't say who it is in case you haven't seen it but I will give you hit that he got me to he was part it's a he obviously and then he was me to a couple of years ago it was one of those guys but he's very respected and guineas ample one of the stories the Daniel common talk about some other than the Daniel Cohen Books I can come up with a fucking horrible that I liked other than it which I already did an entire episode on play to detectives and the city that are trying to catch them in the city that it takes place in his obviously supposed to be New Yorker on there's this Palette that he uses the social network of the girl with the Dragon Tattoo in every color is really muted and it's very dark and in wars the is the word that everybody uses to it but yes a seven this serial killer killing people based on the seven deadly sins the God dammit I can't come up with any good adjectives but if you see David fincher movie you know exactly I'm talking about if you've watched mindhunter house of cards which of the two Netflix series he's worked out was based on a street one not based from screenplay this original screenplay this fellow whose name escapes me let me pull up the wikipedia here in this'll help me be accurate with my and he's not credited so the when he shows up in the movie you're like Oh fuck it's that guy and funny they want he wanted fincher wanted Michael Stipe the singer from theme of the movie is like nobody's really paying attention anything anybody else's relatives so caught up in our little rat race that we don't Ra missing all the all the important stuff amazing movie I'm trying to think of creative way to say how much I like it there really is it's just for some reason it spoke to me at nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine hundred guys a fat dude who's forced to eat until he is stomach hemorrhages the second one's a banker who is forced to carve pound of his own flash off his arm for and I saw this for the first time I don't we were on vacation and I was like six or seven I was really young and we were on the Indus- I'd say the thing is my second one and that was you know that's I mean that was nineteen early nineteen eighty s I want to say nineteen eighty two as when I have I have a awesome sort Kurt Russell plays the main character who figures out the best way to destroy it is by hitting it with the flame thrower not hitting but shooting it with the flame thrower the the boxer whatever set on the back of the pickup truck but it was a big pickup truck of his you know there's a better and everything else but we were up over the cab in that in the area where you can film it's very dark shadowy and not bright even when something's let you know when you're outside in the sun everything has sort of Matt Look Computer Right in front of me I don't feel like looking at right now and how much time do I have left fifteen minutes awesome like I said only doing half an hour tonight I don't think Daniels laid out above the cab and I don't think I slept at all that night and knew that in my sister we were just like I kept expecting that fucking dog thing to bust through the door and eat US creation at my mom's parents house in Minnesota and this came on TV and I don't know how we got to watch it because my parents wouldn't let me watch the simpsons when I was younger I first movie on my list then the thing now the thing by John Carpenter that's the movie where the alien is simulating dudes in this and Arctic based Brad Pitt he's like he's covered in blood through the police station any just any nobody's watching him nobody noticed this bloodstain dude just walking through the end that's part of the September it was like right after the year it started and I watched it and I was like this is this fucking great and very uncomfortable watching Ted out in my grandparents at the time had this really old camper like an RV type thing there's an old style where it's basically like a pickup truck with the Aguirre this this horror movie figure that and it was almost like when I was a kid it was like I can't watch this guy won't be able to handle it it's just too intense and I remember that the cover underplay the serial killer so that would have been interesting to have Michael Stipe come in and be like you know what the hell is he say when he when he finally reveals himself he screams so that was the first movie like that that was the first time I've seen it and when you that is your first impression in the movie it's tend to stick with you but yeah she walks up and he screams like DAB it would have been funny to hear Michael Stipe wide never heard screaming even when he sings he's got this really nasal early oh how me and my sister were able to watch this thing but I remember always saw was the scene with the dogs in the Kennel and Holy Fuck did that traumatize us we spent the night he won and it was I think it's the shortest amount of screen time for a best actor winter ever but that's the thing is you don't realize that he's not in the movie hold up today and I really wish people would do more practical effects instead of just CGI in the fuck out of everything third movie the silence of the lambs unlike serial killer movies more than monster movies I guess the first go Jericho considered it a horror movie and also noir movie but we excuse me favorite novels or favorite movies there were horror movies excuse me seven the thing that silence of the lambs which is directed by Jonathan Emme did like any movie like like that after the silence of the lambs he wasn't known as a horror director he did Philadelphia that was the one with Tom. Hanks and Denzel Washington had had jodie foster's face moth over it and I thought the moth had similar colouring to be and so that was scary enough for me like Oh man this woman's got a beyond I saw this in for the first time this is an interesting one because I heard about it a lot before I actually saw it was sort of like Hannibal like there was this happened or he just forgot I hope everything is OK on his end but yes so the thing John Carpenter Kurt Russell alien the practice last time I heard of him I heard from him rather we heard from him all US so yeah sound I don't know how podcast the bills I know that they go by how much is uploaded but that wasn't a full hour so I don't know if they only bill for like half an hour I mean we all know Michael Stipe is losing my religion rem but when he talks he has this very like hello this is Michael Stipe that's pretty pretty much what he sounds like right here he's just got this and pretending he's he's a female butterfly yeah never we'll never forget that Hannibal Lecter doing his thing the lamb or something so that was my

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ALEKA'S ATTIC | River Phoenix 50

Launch Left

33:35 min | 5 months ago

ALEKA'S ATTIC | River Phoenix 50

"The. List. Welcome to launch left and intentional space for art and activism a Podcast, a label, a launchpad for left of center artists. So excited about today's episode I four, my shirt it is a for Alec, has Attic Remember Phoenix fifty who my brother Being River Phoenix was a great inspiration. Why started launch left for left of center artists Thought, outside the boxing cared so deeply about music and its healing powers, there's going to be. Interviews with some of his good friends that were part of the record namely Dermot Mulroney Michael, Stipe and flee in the meantime. Please don't forget to rate in subscribe follow us on all socials at launched left. Hope you enjoy it. We'll see you on the other side. Welcome flea. Here. He has a lot to say about Alex's attic. Where do you? So what's going on? On on. Lettuce WanNa think about him I WANNA be reminded him I wanna see pictures of him. I wanted hear music I wanNA. Remember the stuff. Just you know. I just want him present. Now. It's wild to think he would have been fifty. On, the twenty third. Birthdays August twenty third. In Kenya about him. I know me too. Yeah. When you first heard about allocates addicts like I know you river friends and you'd make movies he met making movies. I met River before I became close to ever. I I. Met Him Through like some social thing. But briefly you I didn't he was super young and And? I could tell he was wild spirit, but we didn't get to know one another. But when I showed up on the first day. Of. Working on my own private Idaho like I didn't know anyone I showed up he was just like. You know what I mean dislike and was like welcomed me and and maybe he sense that didn't know anyone and I was kind of. Like kind of drifting around like and I was scared because I was acting in this movie and I you know what I mean i. don't know what was going to happen. Didn't really know how things worked. And and then you know he had that that nature if he saw someone like felt any degree of like discomforting someone, he wanted to help them. You know he just came to him bonded and became friends and and I can't remember them like Alex's addict happening then. Yeah so That's when I found out about it like I knew that he was playing music and we jammed right away. We were jamming you know. and. sure. He was talking about Alica static and I remember. You know that time is favorite band was ecstasy. And we listened to a lot of X T C and he played me Alec. Kazadi. Songs and. Dismembered like being in love with his. Musical sensibility you know and just his offbeat like. Different angle looking at music and how interpreted musician has their own language you know in his was super. not like school at all, like the language wasn't like. Let's try be flat ninth for the flat thirteenth that Cordova's to this quarter whatever it was really. You know about colored image emotion and intuition and that was language that I spoke to a music and so I just appreciated him see episodes really about Alex and celebrating run you don't. I never saw alyx play. I listened to many a tape. And I remember you guys jamming out. You know but I never actually saw alyx Zada concert and it's weird because. I know reality has attic song rag heard him play Alex Attic Song. He would play for me or we listened to recordings and like back in the day I went into the studio and played on something like with him and Josh. I can't remember if you were there not. But a t-bone Burnett was producing it. And Yeah Man So long ago now, rain. It's WanNa now I, know I gotta say like micro new asked me a menu invited me to to play on the stuff. I was so happy and when you know I had you sent me the recordings and I went and sat up in my garage and I've just learned how to work pro tools. Right? I told you. I. Don't know how to do pro tools. I liked that I figured it out enough to put it up planet. and. I'm just sitting alone in my garage listening to it and Hearing two voices together. You know back from that time. Really. So incredible. Like just bought me right back in a way I kind of forgot you know like remember that something's amazing. But then you go back and you hear the actual voice in its second time machine out. So magical like. Feel like certain music when it's really great has this quality that it's always because it was. So forward looking in the time that it was done, it retains its fascist forever. And through that freshness, it's like a fucking portal to. To to the truth of that time and. Listening to it and going back in and feeling me just reminded me and filled me up told my heart up so much. Our Total beautiful way to describe that and I think that's so true of music. It can be like a machine. You know like the most beautiful time machine if it's good music. Equally at that experience and and it was such a beautiful new layer to add to have you send a friend for so long rentable Bass player contribute to it. It added dislike you know like if it were a catch were close, it added this like. Really Special, new? Patch to unanimity paid. Even, more diagnosed as additional needing debt sounds so great on songs. Ever slake It's a texture that that. You know unlike anything else is A. Two years ago, released two songs that I made record river. Now, it's his birthday that was twenty five years since he died now his birthday would have been fifty is two years has felt like a poem can't explain it. It was important to the way that it happened and it wouldn't have forced any earlier on all. But I'm grateful that I'm so grateful to all his friends who have been there viewed happen and also. Been Present and part of this particular project to celebrate his fiftieth birthday. So thank you so much for being part of Rivers Fiftieth celebration and his life You move him and he really counted years wants best friends. I appreciate it. Thanks for bringing me in. Yeah have a great Resi or night you to buy. So as you all know, launch left always asked two questions of our guest. One is how did music find you and thanks to rich Topeka I actually have a quote from river. So this one is from Nineteen Ninety one paper magazine with Gary Penny when my family moved to La and thought it'd be an actor I started playing music with my. Sister Rain in Venezuela when I was five and she was three music is in my wrist in my fingers and in my soul, I feel very strongly about music as a composer more. So than as a musical performer, I'm not really into live stuff I've never even done theater I'm not a front man I'm just a musician who gets into, his guitar. Now find that quote kind of funny because we'd already eat toward I believe at that point and there's another quote. So this is from nineteen thousand, nine Sky Mag. He says I now of abandoned last year, we played eastern colleges in the US but I'm not thinking about albums I just liked to play live and develop personal involvement with the audience. Now, I will say that river was the big contradictory at times in press on purpose I. think he you know he pushed he liked to push the envelope and what's interesting is you can see that some of his responses are a little bit. Different depending on who is talking to. was able to reach Dermot Mulroney on location in Texas. He's sent me a photo before we started our interview of the Texas Plains that was so beautiful, just tall grass and he seemed to have the only house out in the middle of nowhere, and so if you can imagine that kind of visual to our conversation. I don't know if many people know that you're musical person and that you had river were such close friends. So I just wanted to get you onto avid opportunity to share a little bit about. River 'cause it's a celebration of his fiftieth I'm and specifically your relationship to him and your understanding of his relationship to music and how those commingled for both of you. As friends you will ever WanNa to talk about it but when you put it so beautifully because that's what it was. have known you this lungs just incredible. Still you know a musical influence in my life you rang me and having had other experiences with you subsequent to my first meeting with river. which was musical. The moment we met, we were both Hired his actors by Sam Shepard to plan a movie called silent. warned. In. Roswell New Mexico. So you remember rain that, river? Arrive. At this is the end of the Earth Roswell New Mexico. It's certainly the dead center of you know isolation, southwestern, America and. He moved right in to the wide trailer, the production had provided main. With, his guitar had a black. Creation. That's what I pictured. Right In I had just been playing guitar for a while because I grew up as a classical classically trained challenges. But seeing somebody play the guitar in a way that I didn't understand that that was rivers approach. You know it so well, and you take it for granted at the time. his right hand is a- plucking and strumming hand was so unique to me. The next time I saw, of course was when I saw Kurt Cobaine playing don't know what their cross pollination was but really tested you'd asked me to talk about. This today and Alec Has Attic. When did I'm? I know you had notes about a string tracks specifically on that song. Ninety five or ninety, six, ninety, six, navy win were those original tracks, his vocals and? Those were ninety, three ninety. Ninety three after we did silent on. Yeah. Recording that song. So. Interesting that frames time for me too because during silent tongue my wife Catherine at the time of drove my cello out there to sell. Look. On holding an old fashioned phone Music is happening here. There's this guy named t-bone Burnett you know and Sam's playing the guitar and so that's when I I played music with With your brother. Mary cool. And you were you also work together more than just that time. I. Think he worked on where you think calls love as well. I was in thing called love because river who told Peter Bogdanovich To, hire me as the best friend his the quote from Peter told me, river says we are a chemistry said if you're looking for chemistry between these two parts already know him we we are a chemistry set was what I remember hearing and I was so touched because we were friends but boy there are you know I've got a lot of friends who were actors and blessing mall, but it's hard when you're an actor to get another actor part that's only happened to me a couple of times over time while always remember that too which through into this incredible period of making music because they because river already knew t-bone, he enlisted his help to teach Samantha. This how to sing and play. Guitar she's the lead playing, Miranda Presley in the movie on thing called love and she sing. So beautifully in that film if God were a woman to. So we were in recording studios back and forth playing on each other's pieces you'll even see in that movie a rare glimpse of Song I love called Lone Star, state of mind. As. He had no had its river song that he wrote in few of our songs rewrote got in the movie 'cause national power was pushing. You know like pop music country at the time into that movie. So there's this weird creative conflict between authentic. Are they actors really going to bring their music or not but we all wrote songs for it. Rivers mainly made the cut and I saw that coming some lake. I'm going to be a country music aspiring songwriter, but I'm also can conveniently play the cello. Smear Country Music Movie Larry Musty scoring I'm on with river and Jimmy James. Off Forget his name but. The a trio in that song with backing river on cello. It's a great piece of music. Concoct and worked on playing it in the trailers to get it ready for the day that you prerecorded and the whole process. So That was fascinating to by then I picked up. Some of his I retain to this day not using pick but risk sloppy hard. IMPACTFUL Right hand. A loose right hand guitar playing. So I still play guitar the way do 'cause river. You. Doubt it. Voices blend so incredibly in these recordings. I know lead Alex Addict I never saw you guys live Please understand I was hearing about Alagoas addict, but I didn't know about the band when I met River on silent to me. So to me, it was just this actor who I already knew and was the star and I respected but it was like his side Gig ban you know. So I missed a I, look back in you know. You wonder so many things but I wish I'd been more on Alec has that we didn't have youtube and get where you like I get it. I get it. So it's it's also grown on me. So then several years only a few years later I'm playing on it. And Yeah. So are remembering him working off his melody and Concocting Companion Cello track for it. So that too was its own, really unique musical experience that of course was with you man in that studio environment that we have. which was amazing elephants to you so miserable. Think is so mad. Else. Yeah Otherwise. Any more share now you know it'd be too much. I think I wanted to touch on one more piece of his music Nov if I could be tried to begin counting them. filaments that Spring from your brother. That are connecting me to so many amazing people. We'd bigger all day. So I guess that's just. But musically to cause that led me to flee into stipe into. People have never would known. In the way that I did you know, yeah such a generous spirit like factory was coming. Yeah. Now, one of the most generous people ever had the grace to meet and spend a large amount of time with always connecting people always gruber. A dog pack. Yeah mentality. So Glenn Hack, still sister. Love you so much. Own. Worth River if D hawk. Less. Thank you. So, as you know, launch left asks two questions. The second question is what is your form of activism or what do you champion what finds its way into your art and inspires your art? What is your form of activism and I have a quote here from river that was in the Let's see something called night writer. I believe in nineteen, eighty, nine by. Kathy hate. He says pro- priority number one on the list for us, and for the whole world really is the environment says Phoenix sitting in the lobby of reflection studios with members of his band Alagoas Attic it's the life support system that keeps all of us and women in our civilized realm. Alive animals can't really voice their opinion. We feel as though we can be one of the spokespeople on their behalf. So glad I got the answer both questions from rivers, own quotes. So there you have it. Here, are a few things Michael Stipe had to say about river and their friendship and Alex's attic. It was it was an introduction through my sister Linda my younger sister. Who moved I think from Chicago Our she was in school to Florida. Gainesville and with her boyfriend at the time and was living with lucrative will. The artist, you know very well on the as your best friend and. Met this whole group of people including your entire family. And I. Remember talking to my cousin being like you're gonNA. Love Them. They're so cool there exactly where exactly like them they're so amazing and I visited there but I think. I came to Gainesville. River drove up to Athens I don't remember what for. Remember he parking giant outside my house and Everyone piling and it was like a complete. Love US you know. and was this has happened to me several times in my life where I met someone. Who I had an introduction to true someone near are met someone completely out of the blue and I knew instantly that it was going to be a life long love like a complete energy. Bond you know and I that with river. So strongly that with you to be completely Hans. And so she got to Wonder Looks Pretty, Nice. I love the rest of your family as well. I WANNA I want Sunanda big hello to everyone. Things but that's how that's how the Phoenix's came into the stipe. Circle Howard. What's it called when to when to overlapping it's department middle you know yes. That's the love fest straight there. That's what it's all happened. Some version of the new south. You know I think way back when we were all puppies, you know we were children I know years. Ultra. I was a little bit older but you guys were totally children and we were just doing what children do. We were playing than having a great time and everything was love. True And then when I heard of Alex. Attic. River in music. Did you know that immediately about him was that later in your friendship? Linda Linda Linda sister played music, and I knew the river loved music. From the get-go. I've ever seen Alex several times that. Time I remember very specifically was at the forty Watt Club. Was Actually Your Voice. If I'm if I may. was. The. I think the term Clarion I I don't know that's a reference to a Bell I think but your voice is so pure in cuts through you know the the possibly shittiest sound system which the say that even then. Your your voice over the the cacophony of Alagoas. was was really. Profound in memorable and it was a really fun I. Think we turned it into weekend. I think he stayed. On. For. Several days and we had a total like you vegan. That's about right. parked it. Right if we could. If there was no other tour game, which is stead eat. In, hanging out when the other thing that are super curious about was the cover art, which is so grateful to you for sharing with us for the record the photograph of River. was that a whole separate time in your friendship? That was a completely separate time. We had. Gone to Nashville. To. See. Natalie merchant perform. Opening she's doing opening Gig for. Active that we will not mentioned. Came you don't like them. But Natalie was there and I was like a road trip in river thought it was a great idea you were there was bugging. So. You guys were braiding in the car I think and we had was masking tape to hold it together. So he had all these. Like tons of rates, almost dreadlocks and we got we saw the show. This is on the way back down to Athens from natural. and. When we arrived into Athens Georgia. River wanted a haircut. and. So I reached out to Jeremy. Because I knew he could cut here. Nine him over those guys knew each other in. Jeremy. This beautiful haircut in my backyard. A bowl cut. In fact I have he's fixtures because they went to see Natalie performed in Atlanta. It was this whole road trip rip revenue I did a lot of road trips. So his whole road trip to see Nellie was the reason to do it, but it was really just to get out and. See the country and have fun. But he Germany gave him this insane bowl cut look like you know little rascals it was just. Insane Haircut and I actually have a picture of. Natalie. River can jeremy on the couch backstage at if you've seen that one even. All these amazing shots from from that trip. But yeah. The the haircut took place in the backyard. Yeah. No, we've left the hair on the ground to you know you total but. The hair there to feed the animals. And the plants. and. Headed Atlanta to see it to see that. Wall I didn't realize as part of a little Natalie merchant tour. You guys were awed Richard Tour appreciation moment for Michael Stipe who refreshed my memory on a few special moments with Alex. Zedek. August because red light, there were a few bands. If he really loved and admired, I did not like her much and it was the type of music with there was a thing with Alecos where run through his or you guises way of hearing in composing. There was always a hook and it was always a vocal the vocal. Interplay was always a important which I loved because that reminded me of. Groups like acts in groups like data for who I was huge fans even clash. Rivers, referencing other groups that I didn't like so much but the music always had a hook in. And the vocal, always beautiful interplay and the guitars. Had this kind of wall of sound thing where I'm thinking of? The feelings and thinking of. Aeroplanes. Who had an army of guitar claims? They have kicked six guitar players on on stage in a dancer a guy a Polish guy he just danced but. With Alex you didn't have to have a dancer onstage because the whole audience was just up and down caterers. and. It was it was it was it was a really all we always. Really Fun show. You. How? On at the pictures I never liked. I never liked taking pictures of people onstage until the iphone actually. You just folded up in success. A crappy doesn't matter, but I was the before and after was more interesting. While you're the best is there anything else you'd like to share your. So sweet, his share, all these very special moments for. Doing things I can't I can't believe that rivers can be fifty years old we. We were really such puppies and now we're all. As old as the hills and that's just fine. He's just fine. It is so so much gratitude. I have to have come across your family by where river and that was something that German said ready for got off site. The amount of relationships and connections that he may in the short time that got shared river the river was such a connector sh you know and I think about that all the time all my friends, my dearest friends come by where my brother his generosity, Mike? You should know Michael he would just bring the everywhere and. An End. So knowing you has changed my life so much nicer happy that we're in each other's lives and. Happy. Birthday River fifty while. While happy birthday. Levy me step at tactician. key that came up yet this is how we sign off. Is. Lit Start A. Support. I. A. Lit Start. A. List. added. I was in your. ME. Louis. You. saw. Far. And then. Now. And? was. A. Launch left teams to create an intentional space that highlights and empowers artists for radical creativity is not a choice but a necessity launch left begins with music, but it's ultimate aim is to launch left of center artists in all creative fields.

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Festival Nation EP. 7: ARockagedden Fest Day 2

Rock N Roll Archaeology

28:58 min | 9 months ago

Festival Nation EP. 7: ARockagedden Fest Day 2

"Welcome to festival nation on the Pantheon. Podcast network. Here's your host Marla gave us hey now let's Marla Davies for festival nation where we celebrate the magical world of music festivals. And were not gonNA stop celebrating while we're going through some strange days and we can't listen to live music together. We can can still celebrate. Virtually right here on festival nation. Today it's day two of Iraq again. Twenty twenty last week. We celebrated day one with billy idol. Harvey Danger Aerosmith the Dave Matthews band. Acdc and the allman brothers band and the next two. Podcasts will virtually celebrate days. Two and three. I'm a radio DJ. And I love rock and roll and for me. It's always about the guitar and the Bass and the drums. So we're going to hear a lot of that as we celebrate Iraq again twenty twenty. I've come up with the ultimate settling the best songs to describe the way. We're feeling during these crazy days. And now once you've imagine if all these bands performed on the same weekend that's the Iraqi getting festival and this podcast is day two of the virtual festival and will visit the Iraq. Elliptic shrooms day and the Blitzkrieg. Bop stages all the bands were selected. Because at this moment in time their songs make the perfect set list. The perfect playlist. And let's just say the perfect mix tape if you will coming up today on festival nation. It's the virtual Iraq again festival day. Too and here's some of the bands and songs you'RE GONNA here. We've got our em at the end of the world as we know it. And I feel fine. The police don't stand so close to me the cure inbetween days. The grateful dead one more Saturday night. The RAMONES BLITZKRIEG BOP and the talking heads life during wartime festival celebrating the magical world of music festivals is super weird times and everyone's quarantining and. We're all feeling a little isolated. Some people totally alone. 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Bop stays with the one and only the ramones performing their song. You guessed it blitzkrieg. Bop Blitzkrieg is German for an intense military campaign intended to bring about a swift victory. It was named after a German World War Two tactic and it means lightning war and this corona virus does feel like a war. And I think we're all hoping for a swift victory and time that we can go out and enjoy a festival together instead of virtually experiencing you know my podcast sessile nation which is great. I now but I'll be great for this is all over. We can get back to some normal times some normal festival living but I'm grateful for your virtual attendance. The RAMONES BLITZKRIEG BOP was released in one thousand nine hundred seventy six and they turn. Hey Ho let's go into a rally cry it makes rolling so's list of five hundred greatest songs of all time coming in at ninety two. Let's creep. Bob Is ingrained into American culture? You've earned it play during sporting events featured in movies and it's been covered by some heavy hitters like Rob Zombie shonen knife the offspring and green day today. Let's hear the ban that they call the song their own. The band that is often referred to as the first true punk rock band. New York's own. Here's the ramones and Blitzkrieg. Bop FIRST ALBUM THAT YOU DID NEW JERSEY. Pado took people who is still the remotes pure rock and roll. And what a great way to kick off day two of Iraq again twenty twenty. Now let's head over to the Iraqi elliptic stage for the finest band to come out of Athens Georgia and Pioneers of alternative rock and roll. It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. Can't help but sing. That song right came out in nineteen eighty seven on the document album and I have to admit I listen to it. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times guitarist. Peter Buck said this song is there. Nod to Bob. Dylan's subterranean homesick blues. It was a huge hit for rem in the day and this song has again entered the billboard hot one hundred as of March two thousand twenty download rose one hundred eighty four percent and streams rose forty eight percent. This song is perfect for these uncertain. Times and the worldwide pandemic has even gotten Rem Singer. Michael Stipe to come out of hibernation with this. Psa It's the end of the world as we know it it's the end of the world as we know it and I feel As we know it part that's most Today it's here. We are the coronavirus therefore rules to remember most important number one. Stay at home. Stay at home stay home. Stay at home. Don't go out unless you have to if it's not important if it's not an emergency if you don't have to get groceries stay at home tonight number to wash your hands twenty seconds every time you come into her out of your house. Wash your hands over and over and over again and don't sing happy birthday twice. It's too depressing. Find someone assigned three. Act like you're already sick. Hack like you may already have the virus and you don't WanNa be within six feet of anyone else because you could pass it on to them. They pass onto someone else. They pass it on to other people. You don't WanNa be that. Guy. I don't WanNa be that guy number four and maybe most important. Be careful where you get your information from. I'm a former pop star but don't trust us so media go to the CDC website go to trusted news services for your information stipe. Says he's taking advice from friends in Italy noting on bunkering quarantining Q. S. Q. Quasi self quarantine for several days now and that's going to continue because I don't WanNa go outside and I don't WanNa be responsible for getting someone else sick if I'm already sick I don't think I am but none of us know if we are now. Please put your hands together for one of America's greatest rock and roll bands rem and at the end of the world as we know it. And I feel so senator off no saying out of seven over the last number Tony with Harasser to see Seattle gave alternative Are I've seen? Rem Live many times in one of those times was in two thousand. Three and I was nine months pregnant and overdue. My girlfriend who works at the shoreline amphitheatre here in the bay area called me and said Hey. Ain't GonNa pair tickets you WANNA. I told her well as long as about giving birth. Well the baby held out. I did not give birth show. Although there was a few moments I wandered but it was still worth it. I wanted to the concert and saw rem from the third. Row that rocked. Let's head over to this room. Sage for the cure. I Love The Cure. Although some people feel like their music is dark and tormented. I can always find the optimism in light. Cure are the kings of God. Faith and help usher in the email revolution. Today you're going to hear inbetween days. I'll be a song written about a love triangle it seems fitting to me because with all these sheltering in place days we've had it's often hard to keep track of. What Day is it anyway? How many times have you ask that? I think it's Monday Tuesday. Who knows I feel a bit in between days myself? Robert Smith told rolling stone. One of the lovely things about the band is that. We're about to headline Glastonbury. Play Hyde Park and be inducted into the rock and Roll Hall of fame. But we're still considered to be slightly weird an outsider Hind van. Here's the cure in between day. Duncan Keith. The fall album were the cure and day. Two of the virtual ARACA get him festival. Twenty two thousand eight coming up. It's the talking heads. The police and the grateful dead more. After this festival nation celebrating the Magical World of music festivals he now it's Marla Davies on festival nation. And it's day two of our virtual Iraq again twenty twenty. Let's head over to the BLITZKRIEG BOP stage. This band is considered the pioneers of new wave. Music what happens when a group of art students dabble in the New York punk scene. Sprinkle in some rock and funk and world music at a touch of avangard and you get the talking heads the song life during wartime came out on fear of music in nineteen seventy nine and it was re released later in. Nineteen ninety. Four on the film stop making sense. The New Yorker describes life during wartime as an apocalyptic swamp funk transition in four four time. It's the Band's pinnacle the song is still a hell of a thing to hear wartime came out of jam session with all four band members and David Byrne wrote the lyrics reflecting on his life in New York City when he lived in the neighborhood alphabet city he says urban living required savvy and a certain survival instinct beyond the norm at the time burn looked into the future and says they'll be chronic food shortage. They'll be gas shortages and people will live in hovels and they'll be surrounded by computers the size of wristwatches. How true the talking heads disguised Armageddon as a dance party. And it's not a bad way DeGaulle. I'm suggesting you put on your dancing shoes for this one. The talking heads in life during wartime These just don't docking heads day. Two of a rock again festival. Twenty twenty let's head over to the Iraq elliptic stage for what rolling stone called the first British new way back to breakthrough in America on a grand scale and possibly the biggest band in the world. It's the police and their hit song. Don't stand so close to me. It came out in nineteen eighty on Xanada Mendota. The song is about a schoolgirl crush on a teacher and vice versa. Although sting was a teacher before he became a mega superstar. He says this song is not autobiographical. The police were the kings of the world in the nineteen eighties. Meshing their improvisational jazz style and the infectious spirit of REGGAE. Don't stand so close to me. Hits a nerve with people today. As we're feeling our way through this corona virus and social distancing on April ninth Jimmy Fallon and the roots had sting on their social distancing remix show with instruments. They felt at home while in quarantine boasting and Jimmy are singing and playing the jar and other members of the roots played traditional instruments like the Bass Ukulele and Tuba along with the scissors in forks hair picks pot lids I connect four-game wooden spoons throw pillows and sneakers. Here's a sample from the tonight. Show up school fad bad watched. What's long OP close this So status now. That is pretty cool. Let's go to the Iraqi elliptic stage for the police and don't stand so close to me. Go she watch. Was this John All. She saw a Europe search out. Aw Service She's away charge. Put Your Hands Together for the police. I wore out my copy of Yada Yada. I worked for a radio station. K. L. O. S. during the first US festival back in nineteen eighty two. I was a promotion intern working for free. But I got into the concerts for free too. So that was great. We passed up bumper stickers and at that festival. Rt Mandy Information booth. We all get to choose our first choice. Band guaranteed no questions asked and the other bands were up for grabs. Maybe maybe not. Of course I picked breakfast in bed with the grateful dead but did not get my second choice. The police I had to work the booth so I missed the show but I've always thank them for introducing me to the kinks who I went to see instead and that was life changing. I've had a great chance of seeing the police many times since then and always high energy fund and Great Rock and roll now the grateful dead off to the stage. I saw my first dead show February Twenty First Nineteen eighty-two Pauley pavilion in Los Angeles and fell in love of course the obvious choice for festival nation and this Iraq again festival. Twenty twenty is touch a great. We will get by. We will survive but today. We're going to celebrate one more Saturday night. The song was written by Bob Weir and rumor has it. We're in Robert. Hunter were working on the song together. Bobby took the song home. That night made some tweaks. Oh small adjustments and then when hunter heard the song the next day he hated it gave it to wear an asset his navy taken up. Song credits. Hunters version of the song had the lyrics. Us Blues in them so he went ahead and wrote his own song us. Blues One more Saturday night first appeared on record in one thousand nine hundred seventy two on. Bob Weir's solo album ace. Which sounds a lot like a dead record? Since the band was as backup musicians the grateful dead started playing the song. Live in one thousand nine hundred seventy one and played it. The last time with the grateful dead July nineteen ninety-five instead has loved to keep track of these kind of things. They played one more Saturday night. Three hundred and forty times. The song has lived on through the other ones. Philemon friends the dead further rat dog and deadandcompany and various other Solo. We're projects even Bruce springsteen has played it live in his shows. Ironically the very first time the band played this song live. They played it on a Tuesday. I've lost count. How many times? I've heard one more Saturday night. I think I've always seen it on a Saturday night most notably as an encore. And perhaps it's been considered a throwaway party song. It's not blind blowing or God wielding just a lot of fun. Little ditty to dance to when deadandcompany played it at the shoreline last summer on a Saturday night. Of course they pulled out one more Saturday night in the first set and my friend turned to me and said at least we got that one out of the way so we're not too long ago is listening to a live deadandcompany show and they played one more Saturday night. It really hit me. It touched me even brought a tear to my i. I love Saturday night. Don't you love a Saturday night? It's the night is the best night of the week. It's Saturday night during this pandemic. It's got me appreciating the little things like Saturday night actually get teary eyed thinking about it because my whole life. Saturday night has been really that important. I hope wish and pray. We all have a lot of Saturday nights ahead of us to celebrate together to be together so without a mind. Let's celebrate with the grateful dead one more. Saturday took a poll tonight. Baton rouse everybody. 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MBA1221 Is Hiring Part Time Employees a Good Idea?

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MBA1221 Is Hiring Part Time Employees a Good Idea?

"To the hundred dollar show powerful business lessons coming at you every day with our daily ten minute business lessons for the real world. I'm your host your coach teacher Omar's than home also co founder of the one hundred dollar MBA complete visit training and community online. And in today's lesson. You will learn is hiring part time. And please a good idea. There's a right way and wrong way to have a relationship with a part time employees just like an any relationship businesses. No different. We respond to the level commitment. The other party has an often. This is a hard time hanging onto good part time and police because frankly, they don't feel like you're committed to them. So today's listen, I'm gonna share with you. What works when it comes to having part time employees many of us we try to count on freelancers and people to fill in extra hours. But if it's not steady work, consistent, predictable work and income for the other party for the employees. They're gonna look. They're going gonna look for somebody who is committed. So what's the solution? What can you do when you need somebody to do some work? You don't even fulltime be want to hang onto them for the long run as a part time employee. That's all we discussed in today's lesson. So let's get into it. Let's get down business. Support for today. Show comes from NYU masters online are you prepared to excel in today's data driven business world. Jane core business knowledge, plus analytic savvy with the new online MS in quantitative management from NYU Sern this innovative online degree offers work life balance to learners everywhere. Learn more at stern dot NYU dot EDU slash business. Ready? That's stern dot NYU dot EDU slash business. Ready? In my seventeen years of building businesses. I've hired a countless number of part time employees. Most of them left me, prematurely or left me before I wanted to stop working with them, and it's supposed to because they didn't feel there was a sense of commitment on my end. They didn't have any consistency. They have predictable revenue when you hire somebody as a freelancer and say, hey, I want to hire for this job. They see it as a project this e okay? This is how much money going to make from this project of this. How long it's gonna take is defined. But often what we do is after the project. We said, we'll I'll hire you on hourly rate whenever I need you promise. You just can't be sitting there waiting for your Beck and call right? They have other things to do. They have other money to earn other clients serve and they're going to serve the clients that are willing to commit to them. And the bigger the commitment the more they're going to work for those people. So you might try to reach out later on say, hey, I need to tweak on my website that we worked on together. Can I get you for ten hours? And they'll be say, hey, I'm fully booked for the next three months. Working on a big project full-time. So sometimes it's just does not work out. And you're gonna find somebody else's unfamiliar with the project just super super hard. So what do you do? You don't need a fulltime employees to work on something that you may just need them to work on once in a while. And of course, on pay somebody fulltime salary that they're not going to be doing fulltime work for this is plain and simple Awasthi of money or waste of funds on your end. And so the solution. I came up with over the years, and I'm sure it's not a new concept. I didn't come up with it or something idea. But my trials and errors have brought me to this point. And that's having a minimum retainer or a minimum number of hours. If you have hired somebody as a freelancer or worked with somebody on a project, and you really like their work, and you love working with them, and they really believe in your product in your service, and you want to continue to work with them on a part time basis later on or on a just in need basis or just in time basis as you want to call it. You're gonna have to have some level of commitment. No one's asking you to hire this person fulltime. Have them twiddling their thumbs waiting for you to give them work. But you gotta give them some commitment. And depending on how much work you can give them. That's where the commitment is gonna lie. So even if it's just saying, hey, I'll commit to paying you five hours a week and give you a minimum of five hours of work every week. I may even give you more hours, but the minimum is five and that number can be ten hours could be twenty hours that's up to you in the mount of work that you can give them. But the point here is that this gives the employees something to work with it gives them some sort of expectation, and some consistency saying, okay, if I commit to this person, they're going to at least pay me X amount of dollars every week. And that's a good idea for you. Because you locked that person in you can continue to work with them. And over time they become dependent on that income. That's what they used to. And also they can account for they can account for those hours. They take on a project. They know that hey, five hours of the week is being used on your work. Now, five hours is just an example, you can make ten hours seven hours up to you. So instead of paying full time salary. You're paying them a pretty minim- Stipe into kind of ham as a retainer. And of course, you can give them five hours of work to do every week. And no matter what the job is you can think of something that can help your business that's worth five hours a week. If we go back to the example, we started with with the designer designing your website that person can definitely help you out with marketing materials designing Facebook Gad's blog posts, images, maybe cleaning up your logo cleaning up the regular assets. You have on your site. You can give them a list of tasks to do and say, hey, here, the tasks you can do these the next month in each five hour block, right if five hours a week. And of course, he's regular tests like blog post images like thumbnails for your videos like flyers for your events, or you know, swag that. You're designing whatever it is. It's not like you're spent. Money worth five hours a week on nothing. They're going to do something for you and produce some results for your business now with this retainer does that holds them with you keeps them with you. And then if you need extra hours, you could say, hey, charge me extra hours that week on top of the basic five we've even done this in our team will enter ninja with highly highly highly skilled engineers, people that are highly sought after and they're looking for some exciting projects to work on a product that can get behind. The can't commit full-time to your project because they have a highly paid highly respected job, but on the weekends. They want to work on something cool and fresh they can commit five hours a week, and they can make a tremendous impact on your business because of their expertise because of their insights, and they can become sort of an adviser to your company at a pretty low rate. So having people on your team that are part time condemning work began to make sure it's a win win. Sometimes we just wanna make it a win for us. But not really a win or. A total commitment or some sort of commitment to the employees. They need to Bank on certain hours of work every month. So they can pay their own bills and move up in their career. They don't want to Italy. They want to keep on working. I got more on today's episode before that let me give loves to today's sponsor. One of the first things you gotta do when you start a business acquire a business dress he needed to register your business you needed to open a business Bank account, you even needed to register for Email marketing. Yes, you need an address on the bottom of your Email marketing, newsletters, but if you work from home like a lot of us, do you don't wanna put your home address and have your customers show up to your door? And you don't want to spend the extra money every single month and having a business office. This is what earth class mail comes in. They hook you up with a swing key business address and all the mullets sent their get scan and uploaded to your count in the cloud. That means you never have to check physical mail Heffer. Again, you could see it anywhere anytime from your phone or your laptop pretty cool. So cool we signed up we absolutely love it and we've been using costs mail for over year net and earth bus mail wants a hook you up with a free month. So you can get started with your business address. Just go to earth class mail dot com slash NBA month and use coupon code MBA month, again, that's earth class mail dot com slash NBA month coupon. Code NBA month. I've hired a lot of people on the way. I've let go or I let them get away. Great, and please because I didn't have this system place. I just paid them early. And then when there was not enough work, of course, committed to another company or another project, I learned that consistency is really important in a relationship. You want to make sure that the other party has consistency. Even if that consistencies like, hey, this is the minimum consistency. And then it can get more but not less than this amount. Thank you so much for listening to the hundred show hit. Subscribe Saito miss a beef by hitting subscribe, you get access to all our episodes in the archive over twelve hundred episodes tons of lessons for you to review the only have access to them when you hit subscribe have access to our feet. So whatever you used to lose the podcast hit. Subscribe right now, you'll also get our episodes automatically downloaded to your device that way it's ready for you. When you're ready to listen, all right before I go on with this. Even if you have this basic minimum retainer for part, time employees. It's a lot harder hold onto police the long run, then a fulltime employees. They have one foot out all the time. So just keep in mind. Keep in mind, if you have a part time, they really like faith a great work towards trying to get those hours. Upped those minimum hours, and maybe one day, you can make them a fulltime employees show your commitment increase your commitment as much as possible. All right. Thank you so much for listening. I'll take you into Mars episode free. Art friday. I'll see you then take care.

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