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The Swing

Storynory

01:05 min | 9 months ago

The Swing

"The swing by robot Louis Stevenson. Hello this is Richard. And I'm hey with a soaring poem by Robert Louis Stevenson. How do you like to go up in a swing up in the air so blue. Why do you think it's the the pleasant thing ever child can do up in the air and over the wall till I can see so wide rivers and in trees and cattle and all over the countryside to lie. Look down on the garden green down on the roof so brown up in the Air I go flying again up in the air and down and that was the swing long by Robert Louis. Stevenson a short but sweet param. That made me feel just a little bit Giddy for now for me. Richard at Story Nori Goodbye.

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Season 4 - Episode 13

They Walk Among Us

57:34 min | 1 year ago

Season 4 - Episode 13

"Hi everyone before. We start this week's episode. Could you spare us a few minutes to complete a short listener survey. It helps us find advertisers which keep the show free and and you can be in with a chance to win a copy of new book. They walk among us. There is a link to the survey in the show nights. We can find more information on our website at they walk. Oh come on us. Podcast dot com. Thanks <music> <music> welcome. Oh come to season four episode thirteen of they walk among us. A podcast dedicated to u k true crime listener caution is advised. This episode contains adult okay themes and descriptions that some listeners may find distressing in the new forest is a beautiful and peaceful part of rural hampshire purple hevea covers grassland moses ram freely dear wonder through the woodland in nineteen ninety six. The tranquility was disturbed by one of the most iced heinous crimes in british history. Donald joseph cleaver was an eighty-two year-old retied executive the kensington publishing company cleveland press ltd which he co founded in nineteen twenty three three when he was younger he bred prize winning greyhounds now. He lived a more peaceful life with his wife. Hilda joseph and hilda cleaver were married in nineteen twenty eight. They had three sons terry james and thomas after after a stroke in nineteen seventy four. Ill the needed to use a wheelchair. She was paralyzed and unable to speak a walk. Joseph became ill around the same time of his wife's stroke and required heart bypass surgery despite the health difficulties. He's joseph cleaver was positive. He told the friend never mind nothing to complain about. Lots of people are far worse off than we. You got to keep cheerful. The pan was said to be enjoying the solitude of retirement that peaceful hyme rather than taking an active role in village life. They lived in a large beautiful white vine covered six bedroom property a converted barn bug gatehouse on the sprawling grounds of the fordingbridge hampshire state. They purchased the property in nineteen forty eight but i need might the house is there permanent place of residence instead of their holiday in nineteen seventy when joseph retired relatively isolated within within seven acres of land and swimming pool on the bank of the river raven was the perfect location the couple needed some assistance is in that winter years from handymen gardeners and other staff margaret murphy originally from west island also lived in the house with hilden joseph that seventy years old she was a loyal member of stoff and an excellent companion to the cleveland's margaret had worked worked for the elderly. Homeowners is live in nurse for the past eight years. She was thought of as one of the cleave family. Thomas cleaver <hes> a business owner and his wife wendy residential nurse but traveled from all shouting sorry to spend time with hilda and joseph helping out thomas his parents until a new housekeeper could be employed. It was monday september first nineteen ninety-six tight p._m. The five were dressed rest to have dinner in the dining room. The next morning tuesday september second the cleveland housekeeper nelly tyler arrived for work smoke was billowing out of the upstairs windows which after burning throughout the night will blackened the housekeeper went inside seeing din apply set out for dinner and the gun cabinet unlocked and empty it is reported. She was greeted weighted by the cleavers pet poodle. The poor dog was whimpering and had a bloody face. It was believed the pat had been struck with some force. She called the gardener edward stubbings to come quick and the pass slowly made their way up the stairs wendy and thomas cleaves. Two dachshunds were vigorously scratching at the door of one of the spare bedrooms inside the house. Keep around the garden guard and are found wendy's naked body. It was impossible for them to enter the master bedroom. The fire contained itself and the room was like a furnace when they tried to call the police. The phone didn't work so he frantically got in the car and drove straight due to the police station <music> <music> when police and the fire crew go to bur gay towns they were met with an eerie sight large large wooden dining table was covered with a white tablecloth set for dinner and half of the main course still remained on the unite china plates. Oh cleavers were always punctual. Having their evening meal at eight o'clock they liked tradition and would get dressed for dinner meeting to have drinks drinks before they ate the firefighters managed to control the far enough so both die in police officers could enter the master bedroom three badly burned bodies were found fourth was discovered in a bathroom and the body of the fifth victim wendy cleaver he was found the domestic staff was unshod but mutilated with a knife she had been left in a spread eagle position showing wing signs of severe sexual assault having witnessed such a callous and disturbing scene. The police knew they had to find the coporate. Bull culprits fast nitrous a press conference police who questioned why the r._s._p._c._a. and the vet had visited the property this <hes> there were three dogs in the house and it looks as one of the dogs has some injury so from welfare point of view dogra having him dope debt by unfortunately the cleavers pet poodle had been hurt so badly. It had to be put to sleep. Keep the victims hadn't been officially named yet but the newspapers speculated their identities chief superintendent talent huila told the press that night it was a brutal crime and quote probably as bad as any murder. You are likely to find woman had been seen the day of the murders at around three twenty pm in blood-stained clothes with blood on our hands and and what's appear to be scratch marks on face. The police were eager to trace ya. A description was a well-spoken woman. Approximately forty forty five to fifty five years old thought foot four with medium length brown hat. She wore red on iraq which bore logo with the word volcano oh qena on it. She was seen at bug eight manor farm niebuhr gate house where the killings had occurred. She had asked the occupants of the farm. If she could use their telephone it was reported that detectives initially theorized the intrude as it entered through an upstairs window. They believed that the killers it waited silently up stairs before they they made themselves nine many articles in the press dubbed the massacre as the house of horror killings a neighbor mr stone. John larson lived on a farm almost three quarters of a mile away. He's view of where the cleavers lived was hindered by the angle and the trees mr stannard said his father you passed away ten years earlier was friendly with cleveland but he had no communicated with a couple since that time he was quoted as saying. They are very very quiet couple. They never mingled with the other villages or go to local restaurants or pubs everyone. The village has been shocked by what has happened. Margaret murphy's son frank lecturer who lives near bournemouth was contacted contacted about his mother's death and he was officially asked to identify her. He laid to spike about his mother and said some time. I've been in attempting to encourage her to retire. She was reluctant to do so she was a woman of integrity huma courage and great generosity of so amanda was an obscene outrage. No words are adequate to describe the loss. I have sustained and the sense of horror. I feel this appalling crime. The children of thomas and wendy twenty one euro johnston a nineteen year old melissa were informed their parents had been killed killed along with their grandparents had bug gatehouse on september third. A police spokesperson said he couldn't comment how margaret murphy he had died only that she had been found in an upstairs smoke damage room quote that was a very severe far in the room where she was found which hampered enquiries always as to the cause of death. Mris mafia had not known to people locally. She was dedicated to her job. She did mike tone to visit the church. The last time the local priest jared foulland remembers he attended the eight thirty a._m. Mass the sunday before hammered uh present. We were very shocked. This is a quiet village and not the kind of thing you expect here. Everything is so close knit. The cleveland son james was requested to go through all of the rooms in his parents house to see if if he noticed if anything's missing meanwhile a forensic team come to every inch of the cleveland state joseph and hilda hutter disgruntled ex employees george stevenson you had been employed as a handyman by the couple at the same time join the club is employed stevenson's wife fiona and they lived on the grounds the month before their murders. The cleveland found it necessary to five thirty five year old. George stevenson fiona was seen with a face marked with bruises and stevenson was suspected of drinking on the job one night fianna ran into the cleveland heim hysterical wearing only horrendo- it a roy swollen foaming of bruce she helped out to fend off her husband from beating her further by threatening him with a claw hammer she left by gatehouse and george stevenson sling to spain the couple had been working there for just over a month before their employment ended on august eighth nineteen eighty six george stevenson was asked politely to leave by the cleavers grandson and all the family thought they parted ways amicably but stevenson didn't leave empty he handed he stole bottles of wine a t._v. Set and the home had been left with minor damage. The village of fordingbridge a close close knit community near boy. The cleveland state was a short lived time for stevenson often. He was dismissed julia brown who worked at the local butchers. She's made a comment quote. He was not the sort of person i expected. The cleavers to employ he was rough looking and always wore jeans. He didn't seem to fit stevenson moved to coventry living with a friend of his george daily. They had struck up a friendship often. After meeting in a pub seven years earlier they shed interest in fixing up. Calls daily was living with his girlfriend ruth on l. Garad loyd stevenson started a relationship with one of wreath snipers paul harrison. It wouldn't be long before the police traced. His movements launched a manhunt to track down the public were instructed not to approach him what i would like to say eighty is that stevenson is described as a dangerous and violent man. It is for that reason we are disposing his name this time we would like to stress told members of the public that they should not under any circumstances approach him but contact any police station if if they see him we would like anyone who knows devens had any contact with him doesn't doesn't matter if it's a recent times come forward and help us with this inquiry. The public were advised that stevenson could be armed with three shotguns and a rifle which were currently missing from the clave is property stevenson was described as five foot nine medium build field with dark brown hair and blue eyes fucked graph showed him with a thick mustache. They didn't pay to be anything distinctive about him. Police it uncovered along with two other males. He had hide a red rope a two one three with courage c three five to y doubly from copuntries a place where he toys and was now reportedly living stevenson had obtained the car on monday the day of the killings you returned it on tuesday joe daley and his younger brother joan had been present at both the time of attaining the rental and his return and the police appealed to guarantees and call high affirms throughout coventry in the surrounding area to get in touch if stevenson it heart or attempted to rent another vehicle the woman who was seen bloody but a nearby farm was sold by police may believe her to be local spokesperson appealed through the press saying we ask for her to come forward because we urgently needs to eliminate her from the inquiry. The woman finally came forward but was quickly eliminated. When it transpired she had become injured. When a cow in a field chaser she tripped type of face a born in bishop auckland county durham in the north east of england during nineteen fifty one george stephenson spent his childhood attending the local public schools then a boarding school in west germany a neighbor mrs hughes who knew george when he was a boy realized he was now a wanted man. She conveyed invade a shock concretely. Remember the stevenson boys playing in the street. They would just a quiet ordinary family. The 'cause no border. I could never imagine george ending up in this situation. Sixteen stevenson paid in court for fighting with a fellow teenager and and breaking and entering he received probation year later he moved to coventry with his parents and three siblings stevenson evensen was first married at twenty one to a woman who julia the union lasted for five years and in that's on the couple had a daughter together fringing coventry remembered stevenson as a ladies man but they were unaware of his violent streak one said you never had any problem getting the girls he was assaulted likeable rogue a ladies man as for the violence. I didn't think he had the bottle after his divorce. Does he drifted from job to job around the country. It's meantime in juvenile detention centers and did stints in prison for burglary handling dealing drugs far on infringements and an incident that ended in stevenson sprang a policeman's eyes with tig gas while resisting arrest the time of being fired by the cleavers. He was only second marriage. The wedding was only a year before after a two week whirlwind romance. The relationship began a couple of months after his last stint in prison. It's parents had now died. None of his family members attended the wedding. New fianna quickly began to experience the voile inside of a new husband. She told her friends about instances. When stevenson winston plunged a carving knife into a mattress she was laying on other taunts. He dragged her by her hair and painter to the ground. One of his brother bill said of his youngest sibling would use to put me on edge i._d. Not been my brother. I probably wouldn't have given him the time of day. <hes> george stevenson's wife fiona was now back from spain and under police protection while the manhunt for her estranged husband was underway the couple had found work with the cleavers after an advocate was placed in the bournemouth evening echo newspaper the cleavage taintied they were looking for a homely couple for their happy home one person to be employed as a housekeeper and the other is a handyman the position which included accommodation attracted the attention of the stevenson were living near bournemouth at the time the investigation had led detectives to bournemouth where george stevenson at once worked as a croupier neil so had connections two weeks born and new haven in bournemouth offices quizzed some associates associates of stevenson's ely and his partner about television and video recorded that was stolen from bir gatehouse lee he told them that stevenson had visited them on the morning of the murders and in passing he mentioned to stevenson that the couples t._v. set was broken when leonie's johnny's wife awoke the next day t._v. and v._h._s. Video recorder were left on that doorstep the reason the investigation had managed to trace as harvey. Lisa quickly was that pipe awoke belonging to stevenson had been found in the cleveland high in a downstairs cabinet. Liam market stallholder will holder was marked as a work reference for the noticeably absent jewish stevenson this combined with his extensive criminal record. He seemed the perfect suspect this morning. We've recovered we believe television set area and we have have circulated the name of a person a man george francis stevenson who we are urgently urgently wanting to trace in connection with the burglary at bergen host thursday september fourth nineteen ninety-six. George stevenson handed himself in to police station near the new deforest in the early hours of the morning. He made the cold at one forty two a._m. From a campsite only a few miles from the cleveland time stevenson it made his way back to the new force by train after returning the rental car and coventry regulars in pubs throughout broken hus- near yeah the campsite west stevenson was staying so remand drinking with dark hair wearing heavy woollen green jumper and jeans though he stood out as he appeared nervous and edgy. I was talking to the locals and the box we happen to be talking about the business that fordingbridge and it was soon after that that <hes> the guy oft so he was obviously the conversation made him nervous. He didn't speak to anybody else. In my kevin sent by himself had a couple of points of bitter an after that and and <hes> after the conversation he must have heard from us even more nervous and left who's looking around and just on the edge of his seat. <hes> looked white man's slightly frightened. Perhaps just turn it looked. Why is this sort of thing you notice in a by someone worried so you you had a couple of points. Maybe here half three quarter now. Then left been hurry with anybody really noticing. George stevenson evenson wasn't recognizable. He disposed of his most distinguishable feature his moustache without it. He barely resembled the photographs. The authorities authorities at circulated. You've mingled with other people in another pub. The forest his arms a couple who were on holiday played pool with him. The trio would like to join by two on the campus frankie in georgia and they all had a few drinks together some points in the evening frankie offer to reach stevenson's palm which he accepted witness later recalled that conversation took his hands and they said you just wanna homa komo hands <hes> and <hes> he said somebody i think i'm christ's truth realize <hes> shoes palm straight and i was talking to the other girl georgia. <hes> just things in general are heard asai. You've got a lot of various said yes ask yourself going big buyers <hes> pardon cycle saw some sort of geiman palmistry bit and then my school system when i have a back from there and then on the way out when those going out they invited him back tax account saw it turned around and said i've been invited back for candle at supper later the two women back to the campsite with stevenson and continue and you drinking alcohol outside that tent the press was held. Another man was arrested in an armed siege in coventry. Just fifteen minutes after stevenson was picked up detectives believed he was involved in the murders at burger lighthouse helping rent the car that was used to travel over one hundred miles to the cleveland. He was estate and back police was still looking for the third man also spotted when the trio picked up the rental later that morning he was arrested on his way to collect unemployment benefits with stevenson already in police custody. The two men george and john don dailey were driven to lynch hus- police station for questioning the next day stevenson made a very brief court appearance so police were given worn by the courts to interview him in custody for another twenty four hours. Even though the drive to court was any ten minutes away from the police station a decoy run ten minutes before stevenson left was set up to avoid any unwanted media exposure to the severity of the crimes and officers sat in a police car with a blanket over his head and was accompanied by eight offices. The actual police stevenson was in was tiled by other police vehicles vehicles including two cars and miter box. Stevenson's friends in coventry was stunned. One said and george was on the run. We we heard police described him as dangerous. We will burst out laughing because we didn't think he was like that it. It's a new season. Antonio brown is on the raiders. Levine yvonne bell is with the jets odell. Beckham is in cleveland. 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James deangelis was apprehended on april twenty fourth two thousand nineteen. You no longer have to wait weeks to get your true crime. Fix <music> follow today in true crime for free on spotify in any way you listen to podcasts monday september eighth. Three three men were remanded in custody for seven days by the magistrate after an eight-minute hearing at lymington court in the new forest. No application for bail was put put forward and reporting restrictions. Were not lifted the tree. I only spoke to confirm their names. They would charge with the murder as does it bur- gatehouse the three suspects from coventry reach handcuffed to a police officer jewish franz is stevenson and his associates george and john daly in their early and mid twentieth from bid more road coventry were driven back to leamington police station stevenson's sat between two offices in the passenger seat of the police made no attempt to hide his face as photography's columba to get a shot out of the men charged with the new forest murders. The daily bras were putting a car together. They used blankets to cover their heads shielding f- faces from the cameras. The public's emotions ran high an angry crowd gathered outside the court for the short. Hearing security was tight fisted guard outside and one patrol the roof <music> funeral service as for the four cleavers was held on october fourth nineteen ninety-six andrews chat. She knocked shot. Sorry along with one hundred fifty mourners thomasson almost in wendy's children jason melissa wept over the loss of both their parents and paternal grandparents joseph and hilda <music> the real horrors of what unfolded at bir gatehouse on that september night began gan to unravel enraged and bitter about being as he believed wrongly. Let go by the cleavers. George stevenson hatched the plan with georgia daily while they were living together they would soon be joined by daley's younger brother. John stevenson was convinced the pensioners had cash and jewellery stashed around their home in the tree. I plan to take it. They hide the red rover from coventry drove to the cleveland his home in hampshire stopping born with purchasing string and rubber gloves they were armed with pickaxe handles and to empty petrol canisters which they filled up at a garage not far from the cleveland home three will stockings over their heads in an attempt to hide their faces. Stevenson knew the cleveland set routine. They had dinner at eight but he had no way of knowing the three elderly residents joseph hill their aunt margaret with joined this evening by forty nine year old thomas and his wife wendy forty six the three assailants burst into the cleveland dining room in the middle of dinner stevenson had known the front dorky was kept in the porch until nine pm. It stopped off for the gun cabinet on the way to the dining room. Stevenson was now armed and the dailies had pickaxe handles terrified the five agreed to do whatever the intrude past. If they just took what they wanted and left they were told to go upstairs windy petrified and screaming screaming was separated from the others and taken to a separate room joseph thomas and margaret russia to a bedroom upstairs and tied up unable to escape it will the it was in no position to move from how wheelchair was po- with them forced. I into another room to his wife. Wendy was bound gagged and raped by all three men before she was killed. Eh stevenson and the daily brothers run sacked the house looking for what they came for money but they were mistaken daikin. The cleveland didn't have any wedges of cash. Just sitting around the assailants found a grand total of ninety pounds and some jewelry jewelry but it didn't hold the sort of financial worth they were hoping for me split the money between them. The trio had neglected to discover a saif life behind the curtains in the master bedroom. They also didn't find seven hundred pounds in cash and a large amount of american currency that was hidden in an unlikely place. Thomas cleaver lost a leg in a car accident used his prosthetic leg to hide. Some valuable won't keeping them honest person the tree. I didn't just leave off to raping wendy and ransacking the house. They hadn't finished with the people people being held upstairs. The master bedroom where four of the captives were bound was doused with petrol and firefighters as a hilda margaret. Joseph and thomas stevenson also scattered firefighters of ran the house lights are according according to george daily it was at this point loading the rental car with the items they had stolen stevenson said they are ready dead and i have poured petrol on the daily went inside and threw a match at the upstairs banister and with a whoosh the fire raged and flames quickly engulfed off the master bedroom stevenson and the daily brothers fled with their meagre ill-gotten gains watching from the rivi mirror the house ablaze as with five people inside the weather. Some new it's not for was still alive. Joseph children margaret succumbed to the fumes and so far in the room miraculously thomas managed to free himself from his bindings when they caught fire and attempted to get to the bathroom to tron on smash a window to get out but tragically. Thomas fell back overcome by the heat and fumes before he could break the window. He singed the flooring where he fell in a police interview twenty one year old. John daly committed strangling wendy after they assaulted her. He claimed stevenson left. The room. Then came back with a black ribbon like piece of cloth laid laid down. John knew what stevenson wanted to do without him. Speaking the words he later said he didn't say anything but i knew what they were for to kill her with a tender onto a face slip the cloth around her neck and pull tight face went blue and she died wendy was the anyone murdered before the upstairs of the house was set ablaze. The three culprits assumed the two gallon containers of petrol and the fire lighters the house would continue to burn with the intensity did before they left and quickly burned down destroying any evidence they were wrong. Even though the house on the people inside were not discovered gavitt until the next morning the fire remained relatively isolated within the master bedroom the house wants a bomb had been renovated in the early nineteen forties with concrete walls and beams as the timber acquired for sanja job wasn't readily available in wartime the concrete stop. The flames flames spreading to the rest of the house including the bedroom. Where wendy was killed leaving her body. The way was left when emergency services arrived. The dailies in stevenson fled in the rental car. After burr gate house was set on fire. They made a pit stop at bournemouth on their way back to coventry entry. They arrived time light and brag to jewish dailies girlfriend ruth about that new gums with the weapons they plan to carry out robberies and already had a job in mind a wages office in a factory in nuneaton roose said the three had brought a collection of bottles into the house including good quality wines gin whiskey vodka. The bottles had been stolen from the cleavers cocktail cabinet the trio crack the meyepa and started a drinking session until early the next morning the next day still bragging about the the success of the previous night. They were interrupted when they saw george. Stevenson was a wanted man on television. Stevenson cooled the police and said he was going to give himself up. He then travelled by train to the new forest and had one last night of drinking before to police offices collected him from the campsite. He called from stevenson's estranged wife. Fiona started receiving letters from him while he was in jail an extract from one read. The police have explained to me. You never want to see me again. Fully understand and respect how you feel after a parting and this horrific atrocity not that's been committed. George stevenson didn't know that fiona had contacted the police putting his name forward as soon as she found out about out the murders in eighteen to view john daly said the stevenson told him and his brother before they went to the house that the cleavers would have have to be quote popped off in case they recognized him popped off meaning killed. He went on to say the regardless godless. They didn't recognize him so he didn't. I why they had to be killed. George daley clan they punches. She's the petrol on the way to fordingbridge to bunn that close. After they robbed the house he said all three mutually agreed to go there for easy money because because stevenson knew they could get into the property without much hassle as he knew where the key was kept daily claimed after they'd taken their hostages upstate is stevenson disappeared into another room dragging wendy with him. He ordered the dailies to search for the scf. They came up a penalty handed and when george daily went to tell stevenson daily claim t- witness tim raping wendy cleaver he said stevenson said something like we've got a daily said he got on the bed with wendy but felt nauseous coit ozone high for about four or five seconds then went to sit in another room. He claimed when he left wendy was still alive. Daily went to the main room where they put the other three cleavers and margaret nothing these brother joan was in that crying so george started to packed with cars with the items they had stolen. He told police he didn't know who killed wendy. Stevenson's first interview in spite of his telephone call to police. He's he pointed the finger at someone else. Entirely he claimed on the day of the murders he was driving to bournemouth from coventry when he saw two men who turned out to be hells hells angels hitchhiking at the side of the right. You pulled over to give them a lift. Stevenson alleged during this journey with the two strangers disgust discuss the cleveland house. He said i was telling them about the house must have been them the win there and killed them later in a taped attentively. When told the daily bread is informed police he was the ringleader stevenson said must rubbish of dumb nothing. I haven't been there a killed. No one i am no murderer i have no blood on my hands whether human or animal feel sorry for the dailies having done it stick to my story. I have no hatred for the family. They were good to me a consumer to god. I killed her raped and burned. Nobody detective chief superintendent. Talent huila was sure george stevenson was the instigator in committing the crime saying is tied up with revengeful vengeful killings for being sacked jealous of what they had and i have no doubt that was hatred. They had everything he did. Not respectability well decency good standard of living he recruit the two dailies stevenson who was the prime mover behind this he he had been sacked from his work at burger eight has gone back. There determined to carry what they did when i say that this was venue killing it's quite clear that the motive behind this was to kill these five of us <music> the trial began winchester has to crown court on october nineteen ninety-seven the jury consisted of eight men and four women three of the accused pleaded not guilty to five counts of murder. John daly pleaded guilty to ripen robbery. George daley and george stevenson denied ripe prosecuting q._c. david alpha told the court about the night where five people were brutally and senselessly murdered at bir gatehouse the year before aw stevenson on the dailies accounts it shifted and changed each blaming the other while minimizing their own involvement alpha postulated that the motivation for stevenson was greed jealousy at the cleavers lifestyle an anger being dismissed from his job. They're in it for the money guns amunition jewelry a t._v. and video and any other valuables they could find the prosecutor said but the plan went further. No one was going to be allowed to live to tell the taio and the house was then to be burned to the ground covering all clues to what happened happened that night. Nobody was going to be allowed to come out alive. The cleveland family including thomas and wendy's is two children attended co- most days of the trial they had been advised not to attend to the horrific nature of the evidence. Some quietly wept as the details about what happened to their loved. Ones unfolded on the first day they had seats in the public gallery by the next they will move to a new position of the well of the court near to the jury box they will move once again to the press benches when stevenson and the dailies gave evidence didn't they would not have to directly face them gabriel guerrero who was married to jason fane hilda's granddaughter. Julie was the only only family member to take the stand. You've met george stevenson during he short employment at the cleveland time guerrero had played squash on the grounds rounds with him. He said the stevenson remarked but he took the job because he wanted to hunt and fish me look forward to the country. Life guerrero was the one that told stevenson to leave and after he did he notice the t._v. And some bottles of wine were missing and a glass door had been smashed in a small house they were staying in just twenty feet away from the cleve is high. He thought george stevenson had left without any animosity. It was revealed the jason thomas and wendy son had cold berg eight house to speak to his parents the night they were murdered during his first coal the man with voice he didn't recognize ounce. It refused to allow jason to speak to his parents or grandparents. After after that cole he ranked two more times on the third. Thomas was made to talk to his son. He reassured him. Everything was okay but his mother had the flu was too sick to come to the fine. Stevenson's estranged wife vienna was requested as a prosecution witness. Police comp picked her up and brought her to court clay that in her pajamas jr attended the trial for three days was not required to take the stand in the end is the judge ruled. She couldn't give evidence for legal reasons from the witness box. George dailies partner ruth explain line. She was a widow with three children and was finding it hard to comprehend the man she live with was responsible for such heinous modest. She said daily eh repeatedly told her that he didn't do it and she didn't know what to believe. Sign many unanswered questions but i i think he did it a county maj george doing something like that. She said she claims she had never experienced. George dailies violence side though he did have a temper and got nasty things. Were not done exactly how he wanted them to be done. We did side that stevenson had the vichy streak the toughest had described towards the end of her time on the stand. She broke down confessing. She still had feelings for george daily daily saying she loved him just mind national feelings. She said she told the court he wouldn't visit him in prison. If he were convicted she she stated. I have to cut him off somewhat reset once the three men at saint. George stevenson was a wanted man on tv by the guns out of the house. She sold them being removed from a home in a black refuse sec lights. Jim daly divulged police. Whether firearms were hidden after ruth our friends our neighbors took the stunned. The court heard from george stevenson's girlfriend nineteen-year-old poll a harrison. She said stevenson repeatedly claimed he wasn't responsible for the murders but she said at one stay. She told me he knew the people who had done the mud. You told them about the house and said in theory. It was as guilty as they woah. She liked to toll the reporter. What george stevenson it left on the telephone message and what it was like seeing him in court. Don't worry. I love you and i'll be back. Today was the first time i've seen him and he smile at me in the courtroom. Lets you can think it happened. Just couldn't believe that he hasn't got any feelings. The cool tool so heard from the women enjoyed stevenson met at the pub the forest zones before he gave himself up by said they it sat down and one of the men playing portland ask them for for change on the table where they sat was a newspaper the coventry evening telegraph which was slightly unusual to see in the area on the front page. There was a photograph of a man with dark hair and a moustache was wanted by police. The person who asked them for change came across his nervous but he didn't immediately resemble the black and white image of the man on the pipe he had his hair and a curtain style and no moustache rush the man in the warranty pictures was shorter and swept forward over his forehead frankie francis. I she was otherwise known was was a nursing student. She told the court. He said his name was wri. He seemed very nervous and uptight about something we asked him about it and he said he had been set up for something he would not say what it was and we had a guessing game about what it was. They went back to the campsite and drank wine outside that tent. The topic of what he had done came up again and he responded. Did you read the paper. Yes one of the women replied. Did you read it properly. Frankie read the article in the massacre and stevenson show tour rece driving licence after she asked if his name was george young women asked if he had done it he said he hadn't they drain in can smoke cannabis for about half an hour and one of the young women asked him to sign the pitcher in the newspaper and he did jewish stevenson's brother bill told the court about the years his brother spent running drugs into england from morocco and turkey he smuggled cannabis cocaine and effective means and l._s._d. In a hidden compartment in a camper van and at one point narrowly missed imprisonment in turkey what paying off police bild said even in the seventies he was making over forty thousand a year bringing drugs into berta <music> george stevenson vincent took the stand dropping the story about the hitchhiking hells angels now confessed to being at bir gate house the night of the murders but claimed he was mainly the getaway driver the waited in the car when discussing the cleavers he said would not have harm them. They were lovely people. They had been good to me and shoes day october. Type twenty seven thousand nine hundred ninety seven jewish stevenson and george daily were convicted of rape and robbery john daly having admitted to the charges at the start of the trial do daily express no emotion but stevenson shook his head while staring out the jury after five and a half hours of deliberations the jury had found to reach a verdict regarding the mud it charges retard to the hotel for a night right came back to court to make their decision the following day the next day when the verdicts were read out stevenson looked at georgia agent john daly was stood beside him george daily anti over and spoke a few words to his brother john zoll the color drained from his face shaking his head. John daly was convicted unanimously of strangling wendy cleaver and a majority verdict of eleven to one convicted him for the other four murders he was given several lifetimes. George daly was was cleared of murder. He was convicted on four counts of manslaughter and jailed for twenty two years. George stevenson was convicted unanimously adam asli by jury for the murder four of the five victims joseph hilda margaret and thomas he was given multiple life sentences is with the recommendation that he should not be released for twenty five years. The judge told him these murders were committed in circumstances of indescribable brutality and cruelty. You showed no mercy and you deserve none. Stevenson is a vein show off with a dangerous charm used as to silver tongue to convince men to join him in killing and women to believe he was innocent. He's never shown any remorse. The smooth talking handsome killer believe despite overwhelming coming evidence against him that he could twist the jury as he twisted others with his lies and walk away a free man when he knew police were after him he was so sure he convinced convinced them that he was innocent. He decided to give himself up. The cleaver. Family issued a statement. We are all very relieved that the three three men responsible for such terrible lacks have been brought to justice and receive such penalties as are provided under existing english law now now. The trial is finally over. We can attempt to resume our normal lives. However is a family alive can never be the same again the murder of our family last year delta tragic blow to those of us who now remain we could not even attempt to put into words the impact of this and the deep grief that day sun the loss of our much loved family nurse as calls dessel. It has been necessary for a school to go through. The trial. Process is to help each other and as a duty to those. We've lost knowing what happened. During the evening of september i nine thousand nine hundred ninety six has been a heavy burden to bear. We felt a great need to take part will be it silently. So where are we now. In nineteen ninety nine the cleves home was demolished new buildings or erected on the land fourteen years after george stevenson's conviction jack straw the home secretary at the time increased is minimum sentence by ten in years. He appealed the additional time he had to serve but the high court decided in may two thousand night. It should be upheld. Jewish stevenson can apply for parole in two thousand and twenty one <music> <music> aw thank you for listening and special special thanks to our patriot supporters for more information. Please lee seok show nights. We'll visit they walk among us podcast dot com sir. It's a new season san. Antonio brown is on the raiders. Lavar bell is with the jets. Odell beckham is in cleveland. My book is the place to bet on football every weekend with better bonuses and more pets than any other sports book period and this season you could win one hundred thousand dollars there handicapping super contest head to my book booking dot a._g. 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"This is episode number eight nine six with the sleep Dr Shawn Stevenson welcome to the school of greatness. My name is Louis House former pro. Athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur an each week. We bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin Huda said to keep the body in good health is a duty otherwise we shall not be able to keep the mind strong and clear my friends. Welcome to this episode. Im pumped because man. I used to sleep in like crazy when I was a kid. I don't know if you were like me. Were you slept in to like ten eleven. Twelve one PM sometimes and your mom would scream match you and ripped the covers off your bad and say wake up get up. It's time to get up. My mom used to do that to me all the time. But there's something that she had rock because she didn't know the power of sleep and sleep science. It's and the key to actually allowing your mind to be clear allowing your body to heal with the optimal sleep now. She didn't know I was staying up late. She didn't know how much sleep I was. Actually getting she just thought I needed to get up at a decent time and I usually stay up too late I was up to like one two three. Am A lot of those his times. And what I realized is that I didn't have great sleep patterns growing up. I wish I had better powers some years I would sleep a lot and I remember those years being the most productive in sports and the most alert school which was already hard for me to do because I struggle in school I was in the special needs classes and it was hard for me to retain information in books but this is all about the science of sleep. And I'm telling you sleep. Is Everything if you WanNa get if you want to burn fat if you WanNa be smarter if you want to remember more if you want to look younger we're to talk about the science of all of this and how Shawn Stevenson dives into explaining this and the keys on how to better sleep yourself and how it affects everything in Your Life Your relationships to your finances to everything it all comes down to sleep now. Shawn Stevenson is a bestselling author and creator of the nutrition and fitness podcast. The Model Health L.. Show amazing show if you haven't listened to it yet it's got a background in biology and kinesiology and he has over. Eleven years of working with clients is one of the top nutrition experts. It's in the country and on its podcast model. Health show he interviews world renowned experts on the topics of health fitness nutrition personal development and of course sleep and he breaks down dozens and dozens of research articles in almost every one of his episodes where he reveals the top science for the body nutrition. John and sleep and innocent of you. We talked about the different types of sleep that are out there and how they affect cognitive abilities and memory so if you want to have a better memory there's a different type of sleep that you need Schantz family culture and the importance of being playful. Why playfulness actually allows you to sleep? Better why Shawn's body deteriorated at twenty two years old and how he turned his life around. How food is connected to sleep and the foods can aid in better quality sleep which wants to eat before bed which ones not to eat biology versus willpower? And how to avoid setting yourself up for failure when you're trying to stay healthy. This is perfect for the start of the year started a decade. I'm telling you you need to get great sleep in order to to achieve great things in your life if you WANNA have energy clarity focus if you WANNA make sure you make better decisions if you WanNa make sure you have better intuition if you want to earn more all all these things come down to having the right sleep so without further ado. Let's dive into this episode with the One and only Shawn Stevenson arrive. Welcome back into school. Greenest podcast man shot in the house. It's getting wild other. Yeah it's been a minute. We had. We had on your same four years ago. I thought it was. I know Tom is flow by man. It's crazy time so for those. That don't know Sean. You are the the expert on sleep and more than sleep now but you known for sleep. Got A book about sleep. But you're just an amazing researcher on the body Audie and on human performance on nutrition food training sleep and you're doing more on the emotions and everything thing on how we can perform better human beings. What I what I say? That's about accurate. Absolutely Air Man and you just moved to La so welcome in years man to come out here. We have some stuff in common. Where I lived in Saint Louis for six years you grew up there? Born and Rai- raised man Saint. Louis I still have three everyone four area code so I still held. That's been having that cell phone number since one thousand nine hundred nine and we're here man you've done some amazing things you've got a book on audible as one of the top books sleep smarter on audible helped so many people sleep better and I thought it'd be perfect going into a new year and new decade to figure out. How can we sleep better at the main keys for sleeping better moving forward? We talked about this on four years ago ago. What's the same what's updated on how we can sleep better? Yeah you know the thing for everybody understand. I think it always starts with us. Asking asking the right question and a lot of us. Sleep is become it's just exploded and I'm so grateful that I was there to kind of thrust this new movement and sleep wellness. I mean now. Now there's even so many apps that are that are podcasts that are just storytelling to go to sleep at all has like a series which is just sleep stories. I think it's called to help people go to sleep because it's so hard for us and we'd now we know but why. Why is it so hard to go to sleep? It's just the environment that we live in today and it's looking again at the question. So what is sleep. Actually we have to start there. What is it so this is this thing we're chasing after we're trying to get more of it? We know it's important but sleep is really first first of all. It's very strange. If you look at some of the characteristics from the outside like your unconscious for our you're not really moving your senses senses dulled and gone down. Obviously your visual senses are reduced or just nine lesser weird. And you have your eyes open but even your auditory your sense of smell so your sense of touch all those things reduce and your. What's different from that and like a coma is that it's easily? You can come out of it if somebody nudges you. uh-huh or something that goes to like coma. Yeah is like a little minor committee hibernation. You're like a baby bear you know but what what will we see in the inside and this is what's so cool now is that we can track and we can study the brain and see what happens. We know you're sleeping based on changes that happened in your brain waves and so right now. We're in a kind of normal waking state of Beta frequency and our brainwaves. Maybe a little gamma if we get to like Bruce. Banner like amped up a little bit but from our normal waking state of Beta we shift into Alpha. And it's just a slower pattern and Alpha is really aligned with what we would refer to as I getting in a flow state right right. It's just a calm relaxed state of presence and we naturally transition into that state when we're getting close to sleep this one. A lot of creativity can kind of manifest. So when we're we're getting ready for sleep we get into Alpha. Yeah okay is why it said it's very good to like when you first wake up because you go in reverse when you wake up you know to focus on your day. Hey your goals for the day because okay so we move from Beta two Alpha and then we go to Theta Theta is a really strong transitionary every state in theta. You're in what it would be considered if we looked at it as compared to something like a hypnotic trance all right and data data and so this is when you're asleep this you're not asleep. This is a transitionary stayed very close asleep and when you're not translate we were just talking about Moore disappeared and I was just talking today but we're kind of trying to manipulate that data frequency to kind of get in there deeper in the brain and to give a good analogy like kids up until the age of about seven and are spending a lot more time in data. And so you're very impressionable right. This work why kids like believe everything you know. I'm not going to throw out any names. You Know Santa Claus Boston anything like that. I'M NOT GONNA say it's not real but you know like everything just taking in very deeply right now. This is where a lot of our programming that even lasts into our childhood takes place the state of your very impressionable and then from there we transition into Delta and so this is when we know that we're in sleep and then within our sleep there there are four primary stages. We have the big that people know is non room sleeping rims sleep right so rim sleep rapid eye movement. Sleep this when you're getting your dream on and this is when is literally like our. It is freaky really. This is a weird weird thing. Yeah so it's rapid eye movement. Your eyes are moving and that's the best type asleep no and I'm not gonNA say best. It's a part we need all of them and this is the point. We're GONNA come to and so this is when the process for example during rem sleep is when when you have something called memory consolidation. This is where things that you're learning even right now get converted into your short term memory so it gets filed away me becomes more of a permanent potential thing in your brain. You need sleep in order to remember. Stop you and so. There's a study recently. And what they did was they had folks to do do a memory test and they had one set of the participants take the the the study. Take the test in the morning and then they have to repeat beat the test at two hour increments for twelve hours and then they track their results girl then they had another set of study participants. They had them take the test first and then they had them just kind of wait all day. Get a good night's sleep in the retests in the morning without doing it over and over again and they performed twenty percent better on a memory tests only testing once and then getting a good night's sleep and remain. We tend to think that we need to keep hammering the overnight stay up all night testing and quizzing ourselves. We should be actually practice for an hour. Get a good night's place and hopefully have better results. Yeah Yeah I mean the point is you know we've been in this situation where we're pulling all matter because we don't know any whole book so Oh yeah man. But that's that's that's REMM sleep. And then we have non room sleep this is. It's considered more than anabolic deep sleep. This is where a lot of the anabolic anabolic hormones like hgh secreted right and it's also known as the youth hormone so kids have a lot of hgh up until around eighteen to twenty. We have a big sharp decline the HGH production sleep. You produce the greatest amount of hgh because we secreted during the day all of our hormones are based on the time of day and this is another really important point is that weird lined up with nature's clock but we just don't realize it because humans have the unique ability. We can cut ourselves off from it. We could shut although although the blinds and we could just create eternal daytime in this room if we wanted to. You know what I mean but all of our hormones are getting releasing a cyclical cyclical pattern and human growth hormone are greedy egregious. Greatest secretion or skeet of the. Hgh happens during sleep and specifically during that first stage of sleep and we go for the first time in too deep Delta Non Room Sleep. That's when we're producing. Hgh Gauge creating more. The biggest secretion happens then. Okay Yeah and so. If you're not getting optimal sleep you're missing out on this powerful vital hormone and whenever never I would hear hgh. When I first started doing research getting close a decade ago I would think of Barry Bonds and like Jason a rod no disrespect? This is Marion Jones builds. But it's because of a ESPN just seeing the highlights in the news but human growth hormone is something that we produce you know within our within our bodies you know what I'm saying so produce more of it. It's only through sleep. No no we could be with exercise especially like resistant drivers of Anabolic Bali growth. So resisting but more so powerless you can get a really good. Polishing will produce help produce more H. T. H H do for you when you go to the benefit of. Hgh is not that we tend to think is that it makes you perform better specifically makes you bigger. You're right that's what we have. You See. The transformation of somebody like Barry bonds his body. It's not that just makes you bigger and you can hit the baseball fast if they already have these skills. It's it's the recovery. It helps to recover faster my son my eight year old son can get out and run. Do sprints with us like crazy. We're we're just demolished the next day and he's totally fine doesn't feel a thank. You just produce Major League baseball really healing so it helps with healing. It does help with protein eighteenth synthesis and also retention of muscle mass. So this is huge. This is something we tend to lose as we get older as our muscle mass and I think it's really important for us to understand. We're talking about body composition laws fat loss all that stuff muscle is your body's fat burning machinery really. That's on your more of it if you want to burn fat because even as we're sitting we're not training right now but depending on the amount of muscle mass that we carry on. Our bodies has a huge impact. On how many calories burning to sitting here are resting metabolic rate eight. H H helps you to retain that muscle that you're out there working hard to build. Those are just a few things. So what are the main lifts that you would say. I'll tell you straight up. Dead lift is like it's money in the bank for produce. Hgh heavy heavy. Or is this just like you're doing seventy eighty percent. I mean even eight hundred eighty percents. Pretty good we're talking about getting up there close to your Max. Yeah absolutely and that's for a lot of people's like that might be a little bit of fear comes up. I don't WanNa lift that heavy. I'll tell you right now for my I've been in this field for almost twenty years and what I've seen people don't get hurt. They're lifting seen people getting hurt. Picking up a feather. You know getting her picking up a pillow highest does just because our bodies are so conditioned to sitting not performing. And we're not doing the things that that kids do that. Keep them healthy right. One of those things on jumping on the couch. Were just running around or just picking up stuff. We'll do we'll do them. We did as a kid and then something happens in our environments are say. Stop playing. Stop playing so much especially from where I'm from. It's like leaving. That's something we say. You play too much the surgery. Oh man you play too much but you shouldn't play a lot. You know what it does and this is the thing. This is why both of us love sports. It's a dimension of that they're there's still socially acceptable. But we love it you learn boundaries you learn how to communicate in different ways besides just vocally you learn how to move of your body in space and like things like proprio section. This is the awareness that your of your body in space. You Improve Your pro -ception neuro -ception all these different aspects. Thanks so our bodies interacting with our environment and also our internal environment. And if we're not playing we're missing out on this vital part of our development you know one of the best ways we can play adults. Man Is it's warrants or just go out and throw a football and play Frisbee or what's what are the activities you think are best. I is such a great question. Man This is so funny. I've been thinking about this the last two weeks I have so. I didn't realize I was doing this. My two sons live with three kids. My daughters oldest Mars two sons living the other nineteen year old son and a eight year old son that live in my house and we have a culture of like. We're dancing every day. You you know like I don't know why we just do it. We're playing every day just the other night my son's we you know. We sat down and ate dinner together and then afterwards they were fighting for like twenty minutes but it was like play fighting. But there's with you being a parent after washes like would you shut up. You know like stop. You know like we start Argon here take you played too much and then I catch myself like they're just having a good time. They're learning how to have those boundaries how to play with each other how to move in space how to grab somebody embody and not hurt them versus hurt them. You know what I mean. So and they're playing they're having a good time and the thing is I'm the one who usually initiates it. I just want to do for a a couple of guys you know what I mean. And so that's one of the things is if you have children play with your kids is that. What's that mean? Play Wrestle one great exercises and what I used to do my asylum. You know we just moved out here hell. I don't know the landscape is much but I would take my son to to the park and then I would just follow him do whatever he does whatever he wants to do his own going through the tunnels climate stuff. I follow you. He's the boss Simon says that that's one thing. Okay by the way your wife has some like some of the best home cooking ever has with your wife as your amazing easy. I can't remember what it was specifically. We have some like casual type of all the casserole. Yeah good at Buffalo Castle Man. It was amazing. And did she make cookies. A No vote took A. That's my downfall sugar. How bad is shorter? I sleep. That's such a great question because that's the only the only but one of the negatives about me that I eat too much sugar and then I'll go off offers for like sixty days right. I'm like stream. Yeah I'm always on a bag of cookies. I can't just do one or I'll do nothing for a long time but I think that deprivation approbation can lead to the rebound behavior. Now I need it. Yeah Yeah it was. So here's the thing so. There was an incredible study that was done. And there's it's difficult to do human studies when it comes to addiction because of the implications right but there was a fantastic study done using rodents using mice race and what they allowed the mice to do was have free access to either cocaine or sugar and they picked sugar ninety six percent percent of the time Coke Gina Right they were so addicted to sugar. Sugar broad tastes better too right. They took rats that. Were already even addicted to cocaine and they quickly progressed and shifted over to an addiction. Sugar wow it's that's strong in like we humans. We're hardwired if we're just looking at our biology. We're hardwired hardwired through evolution to crave into enjoy sweet things for biology's implication that. There's a lot of dense dense calories. There it's a dense calories. It's not a calorie. Rich is not like a healthy calories. Great Right not necessarily. But even the sugar we'd be exposed to drive Aleutian would be something like the biggest gift after we've run into maybe with some honey but today we have everything twenty four seven. It's a hold. We're not we're not wired up for this exposure honey was probably like a nice was probably so strong you just put a little bit on yeah to add not like dump the whole thing like a winning the players. It was like looking jar jar. Yeah you know what I mean. I was so addicted to hunting cheerios. Like all my others were so that little man it was like my best demand. Oh well even met my wife and I was like shifting like I change my health and I've been working as a personal trainer for like like a year and a half I was like eating organic whatever but honey. This is my midnight snack right. But here's a this is amazing mazing. Afterwards the milk Mike so we started. I haven't had cereal in a long time. That was one of the things that was the hardest meal ago. But that's something eliminated eliminated. The century from my Diet and replace with. Cookie is crazy. Do this the culture again. That's the big thing but just on on that point of how does this affect our sleep really great question so the first thing to understand is the impact that sugar has has on various hormones. If thinking about you know Cortisol for example or stress response and basically what happens is when we eat a high concentration of sugar we get this hit and it feels good. You know we like Serotonin sort of you know and this is why some carbohydrates like if we are select selectively getting our carbohydrates. It can be a good thing right but it's just when we go too far and we go We have a hypoglycemic responds right. And so we get a blood sugar spike and then a blood sugar crash and that for us. That's emergency to our biology because when your blood sugar goes too low you have reduced brain function and your body if we're talking about survival in the conditions that we evolved in. You're not sharp. You're tired exactly. You can be more of a victim right and so our pray and so what happens is you get a response from your sympathetic nervous system in your cortisol levels calls norepinephrine adrenaline. All those things start to spike to lift her blood sugar back up against. You're not vulnerable exactly exactly so that. You're just sharp and ready in okay. AM prepared so your your body just going up and down all day as opposed to a steady and maybe a spike when you eat a little bit and then steady and right or talking to close in proximity go to sleep. That's going to really messed up. You know there's all these different people to talk about intimate fasting or when you should stop eating by. What does the research research say about eating before sleep? Anything whether it's healthy your snack of dark chocolate y. I don't care what it is. Is there a time limit. You should stop eating by before sleep. And is there a certain foods you can eat before sleep that actually benefit or we're not. This is a good question. I've been looking into this for quite some time so we let's address both of these things. Let's address wine lesson. Jurists alcohol endless address food food so when it with alcohol so what we do know is that alcohol does in fact help you to fall asleep faster. This is a fact across the board relaxes as you said if you know. And that's all good. The issue however is that we experienced something with alcohol in your system and in your body metabolize alcohol. It's called Rim rebound effect right rim rebound effect. And so what happens. Is We go into we earlier. We talked about those sleep stages basically your unconscious but your sleep stages are fragmented broken and so we'll go into a deep sleep. What's the main stages again of sleep? So we're transitioning as as we go from waking state to sleep we go from Beta Alpha Data Delta but within our sleep we have these four stages so we have non rooms. Lebron sleep in some transitionary stage Gotcha and so some of these stages. When we're actually asleep unconscious unconscious get broken and so our rim sleep is suppressed right and remember rem sleep is where a lot of memory processing place? So if you're drinking a lot doc at night you'll have less memory is ever hearing. Do you know anybody who was drunk before they went to sleep and not remember what happened. Lots of people. Yeah Yeah Wow because of the sleep so it doesn't matter it doesn't matter that you've got sleep. It's the quality of your skits modern. Yes yeah and you can literally forget what happened in those people say that. I don't remember a thing. Yeah because in their room sleep is damaged. But then there's a big rebound effect with the RIM sleep towards at the end of the sleep cycle if we if somebody's getting eight hours of sleep on alcohol so again but this is not to say you can't trink issues I would recommend give yourself a little bit of a curfew with alcohol of a couple of hours. If you can't if you plan on getting a bed at midnight you know maybe just stopped drinking around ten and give your body your body metabolize alcohol relatively quickly for most folks and you can accelerate support. The process by having some water is is our thing is having too much water before sleep. If peeing is a problem Bob Moon you know. Yeah like so. Many people come into my clinic and they're just like you know I keep getting up in the night. They don't drink water all day guzzled before they go to bed but there are obviously there are some situations when folks have issues with the bladder shirts like that but for the most vote. He's drinking water before bed. And you're waking up once even once messes up your sleep tournament area. I mean it can but I don't WanNa make a psychological big deal because it's okay there's even research now and it's come out recently just in the last couple of years about Humans having basically two faces asleep You know there's a for a moment and then so what would happen if we're talking you know a thousand years ago. Let's go oh back even further ten thousand years ago when folks are you know you're living in tribes. You GotTa Hut going right so you go to sleep but first of all we would go to asleep earlier because when it gets dark AMAC safety right. You're not out and about on the Tundra. You know what I'm saying where the line can see the cave. This is N.. Even if you think about sleep because gay like processing this stuff in the last years if it wasn't as valuable as it is as we would be bombed out of it a long time ago if you think about how vulnerable you are right so much magic happens when you're sleeping that we just can't get anywhere else and so anyways we would go to sleep when when the sun goes down and wake up maybe just say somebody goes to sleep at nine. o'clock is sleep until maybe one you get up. Maybe have a little snacky maybe have sex. Maybe if you got fire maybe you write or read by fire But today Fong all right. We get up midnight snack beaming light coming out of the refrigerator. Raise your right and you know and we're bathroom but then and you go back to sleep and you'd have time to get another. You know three four hours of sleep in addition to minimum. So what I'm trying to say is. It's not a problem that we wake up at night and I've seen so many people get just very just psychologically troubled messed up. You know that I wake up. It's okay it's okay. We have to relax into and understand that you know things happen or bodies for some folks. It is chronic chronic issue. And they usually have to do what's happening with their hormones. And if we did a hormone panel we'd see that a lot of times we we call him clinically tired and wired where even though they're physiologically tired their bodies wired night cortisol is spiking way too early in the evening. Because Your Cortisol is actually supposed to elevate in first thing in the morning like between like when the sun comes up. That's how we were. hardwired cortisol is not a bad thing and this is another thing. I want to make clear today. None of our hormones are bad. We wouldn't have them you know but it just gets all of the bad press now. A Cortisol helps your thyroid to work right. Your thyroid is regulating metabolism awesome. You WanNa burn fat unique cortisol all right. It's not a bad guy it's just it's producing the wrong times or the wrong amounts. It could be okay I I think of it like Hawk you know into ventures like he's got a role but you know my smash them stuff on accident I give in too much. It's responsibility so yeah so if we're looking at alcohol go back on that before. Don't expect excessive with it. I'm assuming right you'll get drunk if you if you're getting drunk. You better believe like it is for them and how much time we got yet. The hangover is a result of the sleep damage as really the big thing. Really get great sleep. You shouldn't have a hangover absolutely. It's hard to have great sleep. If you're drunk yes you can I mean forget about it but it also and I know that a lot of people experience that you can handle it more when you're younger right. Yeah but it's still. You're not going to remember things. Yeah I'm not saying that that that part and also we're accelerating aging. We do stuff like that sleep deprivation. I don't know if you talk with her but I was talking with this apple and so her her co author of the telomere effect they. Dr Elizabeth Legge Brush won the Nobel Prize for the discovery of telomerase. And so tell me longer to have a longer life telomerase. The Marines is an enzyme that can add a link back onto your telomeres essentially reversing aging process. Essentially it's very complicated but just as essential but what shorter telomeres kilometers faster than anything. Apparently Asleep Declaration of severe pulling all nighters. You're doing four hours of sleep only and you think that's cool is not cool. It's not cool. You're you're you're accelerating the time that you're GONNA kick off to die. Quicker Diabetes Heart Disease K.. We used to see this stuff and folks we describe as quote in the elderly population arthritis. That has started happy generations younger and younger and younger. Now you even have children who are getting adult onset diabetes. It had changed the name to attack. Type two diabetes all right because no longer just adults getting it all right so just to make that clear and I know this from experience. This happened to me. I had arthur basically arthritis of the spine US twenty right track practice in Saint Louis at. I'm doing the two hundred meter time trial and I broke my hip from running because my body I was accelerate the aging process so much really. Because of the way I was living my life you weren't sleeping well. Nothing was well but a big part of me is for me is like what are you making your body audie out of which we know we get in to talk about another time. But if you're not giving your body the raw materials to build your house your physical house is going to do a patchwork job in. I don't remember you saying that you broke your hip and pride track practice. No no trauma. Nobody hit me. Two hundred meter. time-trial broke my Jackson in here. Do I rented four five forty when I was fifteen. Wow you know what I mean like. Everything was looking great. But what were you doing. Man I was made out of like true. True story is made out of probably like five percent most pizza. It's so Clayton Missouri. Man Imos so good I I've barely A. I didn't need a salad until I was in my twenties like solid until about five years ago to my thirties. Man Yeah but you were sneaking other stuff in. Though I was doing veggies I was doing doing other stuff but yeah I didn't even salad because I was a picky still picky. Sob Right now. But it's like every year evolved more and more and I try new things but I figured figured out a way to make a salad taste great because I never liked the dressings. They always smell bad for me but sweet green. Have you been a screen it. I don't think it's amazing. There's gotta be one by Sweet Green. It's kind of like a just a build your own salad so it's like I can throw some chicken in there. I can throw something else. But it's got addressing. I found one dressing that I like cashews spicy cashew and that made the difference for me. So I'm just like bill of all the veggies in there and just a tiny bit of cashew dressing. It's like I'm good and I try to eat that almost every day. ooh So now we know your secret man because the cash on Spicy Castle not too much because I want to be drizzled with calories and all that stuff. It's just a little bit and what's in the salad I so I put I put Romaine and ruge and Romaine or baby spinach. It makes up that three combination usually just due to them sometimes do Kale. But it's too hard we now so do rubella and manage usually in the Romaine and then I put carrots carrots. Onions sometimes squash cauliflower Broccoli. Sometimes sweet potato based on what I'm doing and then I'll put. Oh Yeah I'll put chicken and a little bit of cashew sauce. And he's congratulations. You're adulting salty all right. Those are the only agreements overnight. You're you're winning on a whole different level so I just I've been talking about. This is a lot recently. But I've been studying the brain for new project I've been doing and a recent study was done at Chicago's Rush University and compile all this data they had thousands and thousands of study participants and they found that test participants who were consuming two servings of green leafy vegetables ables in day had brains that were eleven years younger than the rest of the study participants. who were getting that much crazy right? So leafy Greens every day to servants. Yeah and this was done on elderly folks so you can keep your brain eleven years younger by getting into servings two servings a day so let's get back to the And what should we eat before sleep if anything and when should we finish eating before we go to sleep perfect perfect so we talked about alcohol. Don't have too much. Don't get drunk but you can have someone if you went to a couple hours before. Don't drink too much water because if you wake up all the time that's not good either. Yeah Yeah So. What about food so so with food? There's a there's contradicting information out there on this and so some of the best data shows that having a little bit of carbohydrates for your evening meal for your dinner so I'm not saying like eating chocolate out and then go to bed. I'm saying like you know if you have dinner at seven eight o'clock having a little wacky carbohydrates it helps to produce air toning honing. What are the best carbohydrates like sweet potato? You just mentioned sweet potato or I mean you know vegetables are carbohydrate. But you know some a little bit denser sweet potatoes there's keen Wa innings when we get into these things everybody's different and you know there's sapping ends in the Kien. Hwa they might be trouble could be white rice brown rice. It could be a little `Basta depends on different the pasta there's like the Cauliflower Pasta Outta Everythi bonds Zucchini Pasta. I think I saw some coughing pasta. Go I'm just kidding. They'll be okay so you can have a little bit. Carbohydrates for your meal. Fruit is another obviously carbon dioxide awed dominant category foods. So how do for you this. This causes a boost in Serotonin. We have a little bit of carbohydrates and so I know the big you know. There's a big Kito Movement. Which again is a wonderful framework? I use all these different frameworks in my in my nutrition practice as a consultant and as nutritionist. For again you know almost was twenty years. Now I've been in this field but I would base it on what the person needed right is always dependent on you and where you are right now which might change and so we're getting in conversation about Kito you can even have a certain percentage of carbohydrates on Kito. You might even just reserve those for you meal really right into beans could be another one you you know depending on your digestion. How prepared and so with that said so? Serotonin here's what's so cool about it. serotonin precursor to making melatonin right. All right so your body produces his glorified sleep hormone but man. We talked earlier about how our bodies lineup with nature. And how our body is secreting hormones on a pattern or cycles melatonin is arguably the biggest controller of your body's metabolic or circadian rhythm. mm-hmm your circadian clock as determining when you're producing all your hormone melatonin is not just about sleep it's about regulating your whole body. That's why there's so many supplements of coming out Melatonin supplements that are doing so well right but you gotta be careful like straight up hormone therapy. You know what I mean. It's such a big regulator controller. And you know just talking with the bosses in space talk with Dr is Dr Michael Bruce and always have these conversations. We've seen clearly that folks folks said get dependent taking too high dose or taking Melatonin too frequently in. Here's what we thought. It was just a hypothesis. We thought that like some other type of like taking a testosterone might reduce your body's production. It doesn't reduce your body's production Melatonin. which will we come back to where this is happening? But what it does is is it depresses or shuts down your body's receptor sites for Melatonin. So you still make it. But your cells receptor sites can't receive engage in receive it and turn on the sleep related processes and everything problem right. Okay so says down your body's ability to receive Melatonin and so the great thing is is that we do have access to these supplements which is wonderful. I'm a big fan of using them in a micro doses and even more so for me would be in spot cases. That's right just use them of something. B Twelve or whatever. It's like this for a few months until you feel like you're count to speed. Our sleep is so important with so many things and so so if you just need to get on track. We don't want to create a dependency. I love it for travel. If you're changing time zones you want to get back on schedule. If you've had a couple of rough night's sleep sleep you know maybe it's work or whatever that's a great question I'm doing okay. So Melatonin has its place but just to go back to where this is produced and y even taking a supplement. You still continue produces that this is crazy because in my conventional university class I was taught that your pioneer Glenn Produces Melatonin. And that's it we now know today. Then there's four hundred times more Melatonin in your gut and your belly than in your brain all right so this microbiome all the science and all of this discussion having now it really is a final frontier. We're talking about health is the interface between the outside world and you you know. It's like what we're taking putting in our bodies that's the most intimate experience in the world and what's happening your microbiome determine what becomes you and what is waste so so. That's a whole other conversation but I just want to know that that we have to take care of our gut health. We'll come back. We'll talk about that another time. So Melatonin is tied to all these things But with Serotonin with getting that little hit of carbohydrates can be helpful for producing serotonin and Melatonin in the evening. Now there was a study that was conducted and they found that when folks who were overweight eight close to bed time they had a greater secretion of quarter saw. I saw all right. So up of over. Fifty percent greater cortisol secretion all of us by the way produce a little bit of cortisol when we eat a meal. Because it's a big big like all hands on deck experience because you're taking stuff from the outside world and putting it in you your body to make make sure that you're safe simulated it's got to check it all make make sure to throw it up or yeah. Everything is so much that happens but if you're the folks who were overweight in the study who consumed right before bed had like over fifty eighty percent higher secretion of Cortisol and the problem with that is that cortisol is kind of like the antithesis or like as inverse relationship with Melatonin. So of course ause hi melatonin gets. You're not sleeping while you're eating right before bed. If you're overweight obese there's a higher propensity and this is why there's some efficacy behind the statement of don't before bed. I don't like that statement is a blanket statement across the board. I don't however I do like research search saying you know so just to be a little bit more mindful of that but the problem is like number one if you want to have something have something. That's it's more stressful. Trying to have a snack if you WANNA snack but also part of the reason we might want to have a snack you know. At twelve o'clock at night is because we're a net flicks Chile asleep money sleep. You know our our practices in our culture around food and US not getting the nutrition you need but it's just it's our culture around food until it goes back to like so you need to be sleeping. A sleepy brain hungry brain really sleepy. Brain is one hundred regulars tired. You're hungry absolutely I call it. tonkery take your anger and telling you that just happened yes. Angry brain is a hungry braintree right absolutely absolutely so why is that. Why is your sleepy brain hungry for food? Oh man this is so crazy. Listen to this so there was a study that was conducted and it was crazy. And what happens with the brain and your nutrition in and glucose reading the brain when you're sleepy and so across the board even though we can use ketones processes in the brain we all know this but there are certain parts so you bring that can only run on glucose and so what the studies found the study found. Was that when folks were sleep deprived just one night so one night of total sleep deprivation I was using the study. So this basically if we stay for twenty four hours from now until the same time tomorrow they found that there was a fourteen. A twelve percent reduction in glucose is reaching brain literally. Your brain is starting to starve. And what happens when that happens when we go back to that evolutionary perspective. It's danger right. All all hands on Deck Cortisol Response adrenaline response. It is a dangerous situation and they found specifically fourteen percent of that Carbohydrate Reduction Reduction or glucose reduction reaching your brain cells with from the prefrontal CORTEX. So that's the most human part of your brain responsible for executive function social control distinguishing between right and wrong. So your ability to even choose whether or not to eat. A food is dramatically reduced. Because your brain is like starving. If you've ever had ice cream if you've ever had cookies if you've ever had a candy bar your brain knows hard. wiry I can get a dense source of glucose to shoot it back to my breaks. I needed did you know. And so. That's when we get into a battle of our biology versus our willpower. Your willpower is GonNa lose out in vengeance. True you know in for the toughest among us you know what I'm saying. So but why that conditions against yourself and we do that when we're sleep deprived and so what I want. People to know is that it's not a a lot of times these things aren't necessarily your fault when you're trying to battle it out and not eat the food because our brains are usually a tie brain angry brain. So what would you say. You're is the optimal evening routine or the one that you do. Yeah that's a great question. Great question it's it's evolved. You know what I mean. And that's what I want people to take away to that you can change. There's so much cool stuff that we can do today meditation. You Got Journalese you got Taichi. There's all this stuff you could do playing board games. Have you played the heads up. No yes right right so you got all these cool things you can do to hang out with your friends you know Tomba your significant other. How do we fit it all in well? You don't have to do everything we can do. Each thing in micro way but so for me. My current evening evening routine is number one just kind of the Palmar thing for me is getting myself some tech free time before I go to bed. Where lay my head down at least thirty thirty minute? Yeah we all can do this and Harvard. Researchers have confirmed I talked about this and I push this culture like the last five years hard so people have heard this. This came from all right. I've been really working to get this out here in this week. We've got them right here. That got the new iphone Scott three sick as it right but this this device is the greatest deterrent force equality today and so our research. Researchers confirmed that the light exposure blue light specifically in white light that Kinda shoot out from our devices that we can't really see the for sitting here and their web this light around us. This is ambient light but if you're in a dark room and you see that phone bright it's like emanating like this bluish alien light right and so what they found. How was that this? Light does in fact suppress melatonin secretion and dramatically increases cortisol and they got numbers on this. So what they found. Is that approximately the every hour on your device night. You suppress Melatonin for thirty minutes. Oh right every hour to suppress MELATONIN for thirty minutes. So if you're on your device three hours always Melatonin suppress for ninety minute. Wow right and so again even though you might be unconscious and go to bed and you're not aware anymore you're not going through your sleep cycles efficiently and so that's what it's really about is optimizing our sleep cycles. We do that with the way we live our lives and so just to go back on that point with me just at least know at least ideally want to see more like sixty minutes. Yeah I mean then we'd like to get into that place of like. What do I do though? Read a book you hang out with your friends you go to bed. Some people just aren't trying to hear that man so so there's no phone and no TV. Yeah so no. You can't watch your show your movie you. Here's a here's a here's a couple of weeks in glasses on you've got the blue light-blocking glasses you've got blue light blocking APPS for your phone like it's built into the iphone now folks who have android they have like nightshift. I'm sorry was it called. Twilight is another thing I believe is what is called okay. So there's some things you can do. Yeah so there's things that you can do to reduce that experience and for many folks. I know myself included. I definitely do feel like sometimes even as a neuro neuropsychiatric just putting putting the glasses on. Excuse me I would get sleepy you. It's just chilling now or we can also you know dim. The lights around us may even change some bulbs a couple of bulbs in your house. Candle light a sexy. You know what I'm saying so you just change and evolve with those kinds of lights. In the evening those tones write these kind of warmer colors. I and so. That's that's what I do. Give myself a thirty minute curfew. I really love to just kind of take some time. Hang on my wife will talk. You know I'll do some reading this again. Like got its light dimmer lights a little bit dimmer. I'll do at least probably ten minutes reading twenty minutes. Sometimes if we're not spending some time we have that and then for me. I Love I get a chance to do. Magnesium bath mom evening so oh this is a this is a big man so magnesium has been found to be responsible for over six hundred and fifty biochemical processes in the body many of them related to you. Relax and sleep all right so magnesium is needed to like contraction and relaxation of your muscles. So the relaxation response of your muscles like if somebody's cramping that kind. Kind of being magnesium helps along right so but also it relaxes your nervous system so it helps to shift over from your sympathetic fight or flight nervous. This is a magnesium helps to shift you into the pair sympathetic rest and digest partying nurses and so people have been doing this for centuries like absence Saul Bass has helped to improve sleeping been relaxed sore muscles heal faster all this stuff. It has ingredients. Now we got some like supercharged magnesium salts and really do this almost every night now now a couple of times a week you know saying but even once a week it'd be good when I have also I have a topical magnesium spray use that almost every night. So I'll just like massage besides rubin and that's another thing that you could do to get a massage all right if you can sleep from your significant other or self massage you know there's even acupressure points and I talk about this and sleep smarter because I'm very analytical and how I think I'm like You could see touch a point but there is some evidence that this as you know. They did this in a clinic. I'm sorry hospital. And so what they did was manipulate this acupressure points and they saw higher levels of Melatonin metabolites in their urine by manipulating this pressure point. So it's it's doing something with melatonin right. But with massage you produce endorphins. serotonin right so this all helps with relaxation response. I don't know anybody that's ever gotten massage in like God. It's like I'm so ready to fight now. You know what I mean. They just WANNA chill man. Okay so if I can you know my wife I massage your feet or if she wants to massage my feet. That's so great man. I got a little tennis ball. And I'll just like put that on the floor and Rabat around on my feet kneeling bottom Wi fi So there's another couple of things and so some of these things are they're not as consistent consistent things for me is screen curfew reading time with my wife and magnesium those things no food a certain time probably right. Yeah I don't think about it because I'm nourished and I don't have a hungry brain so if I eat you know we finished eating at seven or eight. Whatever it is like I feel? Ah I don't need to jam any food before bed but the other thing I do as I'm walking into the bedroom turn the thermostat down cold and and we've talked about this before us in so sixty nine. Yeah atman every night. Yeah so good. It is and this goes back to that evolutionary Russian airy process evolutionary biology. We have a natural drop in our core body temperature at night one to two degrees. And what the theory is because again like a lot of stuff we don't know uh-huh specifically why is that our body uses a lot of energy to try to keep us keep our temperature up so by bringing that down a little bit more. Energy is being dispersed dispersed to do things like memory consolidation like detoxification of your brain the Glenfiddich system like There's a changing of the guard. That happens in your gut microbiome like all this energy is needed to bring you back better right and so if your environment is too hot no matter where you live on the planet whether it's like Chile. La Or. It's you know Antarctica it. It gets well that might be what during the daytime and during the nighttime the temperature is different temperature. Goes down a little bit at night. No matter where you are and so if you artificially keep it high body's going to be trying to fight emry itself down so help it a little bit today. We do have access a lot of us to regulate our thermostat. Yeah at least you know like during this time of year here in. La like you can get down you know fifties and sixties like you. You can just open a window you know and so yeah so that's what I do. I turn the thermostat down or turn the heat off. If it's been all sure sure mazing so that's your evening routine. What else do we need to know about sleep? We've talked about sleep sanctuaries and make sure you have the snake plants and all these things you still do the state plan. I have not got. We just moved so I haven't gotten my whole thing. I've got some blackout curtains because you know when you came to my house. We're out in the woods dark. It was dark dark dark black. You got the moonlight. But that's our bodies we evolve with that you know that's a natural spectrum of light in the LUX is so much much less than what's being out of your telephone son but now you know kind of like a neighborhood so it got some blackout curtains again. But something else that that I would be interested in is still buying like. Why does this matter? Why should I be looking at optimizing? My says twenty twenty yes. This is a new decade aid is going to be the last decade of your life but it's also with all these opportunities and work harder mentality and be more productive. You're going to get less sleep deep less quality sleep if you have that mentality as well right if you're like so many opportunities it's a new decade. Let's crush the decade. That type of thinking thinking could make you hurtful in sleep right when you said crush immediately thought Gary v Cork and he's like the guy but he seems like he's you know he's out there just just dominate his thing now that he's out talking about he gets seven hours of sleep a night. Now I talked with him. Maybe four years ago. We're we're having dinner and this. Is this beard Gary via. I don't know he did. It was a little moment a beer and so I was just like enquiring. Like hey man. So what's their health practices like. You're trying to play the long game. He's talking about buying the jets. How you GonNa do that if you did? Your D. E. A. D. There so what he's hired trainer to travel with him because he like he knows himself to keep them accountable and that in and he gets asleep despite what people think right and so. We'll just keep that in mind the people that you're looking at people that even the ones that are saying you'll sleep is for suckers. I promise they're sleepy. I promise you gotta be. You can't operate or and also also they might not be sleeping enough and they're not reaching their full potential. You know what I mean so be very careful about that because what you WanNa do you don't WanNa just execute you want to be the very very best version of yourself to get up and execute. You can accomplish so much more when you feel. Well I think our saw Steve Harvey talk about. He's mentioned something. Yeah I think he said sleep. Sleep is for those who are broke or something like that. Yeah then you'd see this. I know what you're talking about. He said something like Steve. It might have been him. Yeah Eh said this or that. He said this. Recently I saw video came up about a month ago. He's like sleepless for for Bro. People for people or something like that you got to work harder then people. If did you WANNA make money right. You gotta spend extra hours and things like that but again like I know a lot of these behind me sleep. We have these messages and even another really good a friend of mine and yours to Eric Thomas Right. He's another person out there but when he shared the upper four or five or when he goes to sleep early. Like we've been we've been hanging out for a long time asleep while I eighty. He's knocked out but he's getting up and grinding right. He's when he's up. He's trouble so his thing is sleep. Get enough sleep but don't sleep in. Don't oversleep don't be lazy. Yeah that's the difference. It's not don't sleep that's killing yourself and that's so you're not showing up as best you as we Kinda gone through today. Is there too much sleep absolutely. Yeah we can and I know many of us have experienced this where we maybe we sleep longer. The normal and we're tired of super tired when we get up and be like tire for awhile and a big part of that is just kind of even how we're interrupting our sleep cycles but that's You know really unique conversation. What is the optimum hours for? Most people who live busy lives who are pushing the envelope on work family the activities. They're doing a lot of things they're trying to fill it. All on their plate you know achieve their goals and do everything. What would be the optimal amount of hours of sleep? Sleep for those types of people. I'll tell you right now. That eight hours is is not enough for some people are for some people for some some people at six for some people at seven for some people is nine. It depends. Man is the answer that nobody wants to hear. Because you always so experts like giving people these cookie cutter answers like you get eight hours sleep. I think that's wildly negligent to tell people that because you come become an erotic about something that you don't even really need what it really boils down to. If you're getting eight hours of Shitty sleep for me. I like in sleep minutes to calories like today. Most people are well aware that it's not just the quantity of calories. It's the quality of those calories for same thing. It's the quality of those sleep minutes. Not just the quantity right right so you can get like if you're looking at. What did I mentioned earlier chocolate? Dial right versus wild caught salmon or Lewis Salad. I should call Louis Great Salad or something because it's a custom bowl. It's great in the salad great so chocolate. Dial versus a salad of Greg. This is going to have wildly different impact on what it does to your metabolism right. And and so the same thing with their sleep minutes you can be getting like eight hours of chocolate. Dial sleep because of your blue light exposure because of you not tapping into thermal regulation Asian because you having issues with blood sugar regulation and listen goes on and on and on some of the things we talked about or you can get an incredible optimize version. The best sleep that only takes you six and a half hours where you're going through your sleep cycles efficiently and you're waking up feeling like a beast right. The answer is it depends the quality of your sleep. And who are what. You're doing right now because there are times in your life when you know you've had to sleep more if you're somebody's training for whatever your body just needs needs a little bit more sleep. Maybe you're under a lot of stress. Whatever the case might be? It's GonNa Change. Then we have to honor our bodies. Obviously I'm a big fan of routine because your body's always looking for routine but when you're up life is dynamic like things are going to happen and so I allow myself to change my sleep schedule a little bit and I try to stay within a nice framework. What if something's going on like and I know that I'm stressed like you know like I really need to back off? I need to recover. I don't need to push it down more and this also just comes with experience variance to sure you know what I mean so that I can wake up recovered and get back on my grind. You know what I mean so but just a little quick thing that I want to share with people. That's another big. The point is that our quality effects are appearance right specifically are everybody. Nobody's waking up like you know what I just WanNa be super ugly today like. It's possible you know what I mean. I want to scare children. You know what I mean and there was a really cool study. That was done recently so this was just in two thousand seventeen gene sweetest researchers and what they did was they had study participants. Take a picture. After a full night of good sleep and then they had take a picture after sleep. Depriving them where they're getting about. Five hours by six hours of sleep for two days are sleep. deprived them for two days. Take the pitcher again as a a mixture of pitchers that These raiders people who were raiding all the peoples beauty. And what they did was. They looked at all the different pitchers. And this is looking at. What's happening in our brains just again through evolutionary biology when we see people we get feedback and what the scientists? We're wanting to find out to sleep. Deprivation caused a hesitant to want to be around some bite. Well all right. And so. What the raiders? Foul was that when people were sleep deprived they they were deemed to be less attractive. They were deemed to be less healthy and they also decided like I would be less interested in socializing with this person. Okay aw just in two days of sleep deprivation and another study by Swedish researchers found that just five days sleep deprivation. You know just getting less than six hours. I was asleep led to forty percent increase in fine lines and wrinkles in the face it age do very quickly but the good news is it. It reverses not as quickly rebound yeah. It's called beauty sleep. Why don't we talk about it's called beauty sleep for reason there's there's Israel rejuvenate tive magic in this in sleeping? I mean and so looking at how we feel about other people in how we're showing up in the world old like your sleep has a big impact on that and tell people about sleep debt. I mentioned this before. If you've if you've gone twenty five years of just horrible sleep. Can You oversleep for twenty years. That's a long time a few years five years you've been bad in your twenties and you've been already late nights in Europe a promoter and get horrible sleep every night can you rebound and put more sleep in that bank debt. Recover in the way that we think about sleep debt. It doesn't work like that and the good news is again. This kind of goes back to the conversation about telomeres. Once we change our habits and our practices you can do things to start to reverse that aging process in some aspects rights by lengthening. Those telomeres by doing good things for your body which includes getting more sleep so you burning the candle at birth with both ends burning. The telomeres both ends. You can reverse that process. That's the good news is good now in the context of sleep debt. So if you're acutely if you're just sleep deprived arrive for months at a time. Getting Four. Whatever hours your incidents of heart disease is skyrocketing heart attack stroke diabetes? All the stuff is going up. Chances Are you're not gonNa make it very far. Some people even people listening. I'm fine got to be careful about that now. That sleep debt is a lot to pay back if it's like a day or two maybe three four days at the most And you kind of catch up you know maybe on the weekend that can be helpful but it still like. You're not getting back as much as you're taking out of that makes sense. So the best strategy is to get high quality the keywords high quality sleep more consistently and then if something happens where it throws you off whatever they could got an event for a couple of days all good. I guess what you're GonNa probably be pretty destroyed and you're going to want to sleep more remorse of course but if you're constantly dipping into that bank account you can't readily pay it back. Yeah as much as we think of him. Dude this is awesome stuff you cover a lot of this and your podcast your book. Where can we find your podcast and and listen listen to that? Yeah I mean. We're they're listening to this amazing podcast on my show. It's called the model show up and we've been we started like maybe six seven eight months after you you okay and so we've got about seven years in January and you're like six years you out and so what we create masterclasses on specific subject. So whether it's obviously sleep. Wellness or metabolism fat burning a natural treatments for things like depression diabetes. And then I really strive to bring on the very best people in the world in their respective fields of health and wellness and so we do masterclasses whereas solo episodes with me and we bring on the best people in the world. That's a really great. That's a great great show. I love it. They really powerful. Because you break down all the research that you're finding and you kind of share with all the science and the proof of these things which I think is powerful. You're not just sharing ideas or thoughts. You really dig in so and you've got some other projects that you're not talking about right now but we'll have you come back on some time and talk about those things talk about everything man so we'll have to now you're here in town. Have you come back on more. Let's share the the three truce because I don't know if people probably didn't hear you for years ago all my new audience members so breath. I don't even know if I asked you this last. Maybe so imagine it's your last day on earth many years from now and you've created everything you WanNa create you've done all the research the books the podcast. Whatever it is? You've done it all but for whatever reason you're GonNa take all of your work with you to the next World Heaven wherever you go right but you get to leave behind a piece of paper and you can write down three things you know to be true about your whole life experience of all the lessons and truths that you know the you'd WANNA share behind. What would you say are your three truce was coming up for me? The first thing is that this might sound a little strict trek love winds coming from me love winds for me over these years man. I really believe that our relationships are the most impactful axel thing on our health on our success in life on our ability to problem solve into just be happy. Our happiness quotient in our relationships sleep is amazing relationships effect. So I think it's just a huge governing force and love wins you know and finding ways to not try to win but to love more so that'd be one. I hope that makes love wins number two would be. Wow this is tough man is self care. Make sure that you're taking care of yourself that you could show up as the best version of yourself for the people that need you. You know. There's a big culture today of of pushing yourself to limit sacrificing his word sacrifice. Sacrifice yourself so that you can do good for the people that you're trying to help or even do good for the world but the word sacrifice is from a root meaning to make sacred and so if we're making sacred the craft of taking care of oneself itself so that can be the best version of myself. I don't really see it as a sacrifice I if I'm getting a better leaf. I'm skipping out on the party a little barely. It's not a sacrifice it's a sacred practice so that I could be the best me possible so make sure that you're focusing on self care as you move into the future so that would be number two and number. The three would be to laugh as much as possible and have fun. You know be with people who make you laugh. Cultivate humor. My came from a place where there was a lot of crazy man. Like people from where I'm from you can have post traumatic stress syndrome realize it. You know the sirens the gunshots the violence when you go outside. You don't know what's going to happen you know what I'm saying. It could be a nice day. Everybody's out plan shooting hoops on the crate. You know what I mean or it can be a drive by you. Got Drug dealer right next door and those are my idols. You know what I mean and coming from that environment and I think part the reason that we made it out of those circumstances and did it grew somewhat gracefully is that we have laughter. You know we still ahead laughter in our household you know. Even though like even my family members that weren't necessarily the best role models we still had laughter. You you know and just being able to play have fun and so I think it's super important and also just as we move into this next decade I I think that laughter humor smiling kindness. These are going to be the things that really helped to bring us together. We got enough stuff bringing us apart if we stop taking ourselves associated and understand that we are just a cell in this incredible body that we call earth and our job is to be alight light you know into. We have the ability to light up in your room. Go to and I've just literally yesterday random experiment and you know. It's like the holiday season around this time and I was just smiling at people whether it's in the store just people driving by in the parking lot. Boom smiles nine times out of ten small smile back. It's a responsive reflexive thing and we and then they can carry that on to the next person I love. I love that so instead of saying you play too much much. Say you don't play enough right. Yes keep playing. Keep playing while you're playing like that. Awesome Manuel acknowledged brother brother. I appreciate your wisdom. I appreciate all the research that you that you spent so much time on to give US clarity and peace of mind because these are scary the topics and ideas that there's so much noise out there and we don't know what's true and what's not true and we don't know what to do. There's usually too many options too many things to try. So thank you for creating clarity creating the research and the foundation for us to have routines and simplifying all this mess so I see them and they have horse okay final question. What's definition of greatness? My definition of greatness coming from where I come from and I went to the other extreme. I just started to give myself my time my energy to everybody else and I kinda lost myself and I was trying to find enlightenment doing all this meditation and I was brought this concept of non attachment and I believe that a lot of my suffering spring was a result of my attachment to my kids and my wife and my family members all the people that I want to serve and and I get the concept because without as much attachment you experience less suffering I decided to consciously attach myself to my my wife. It's not a it's not a ignorant love and attachment. It's A. It's a chosen decisive intentional attachment and so for me greatness is loving somebody more than anything else you've imagine. I love her so my right. Yeah I would. Of course like many of us feel like you know. Jump it from a bus for somebody but I more so than give my life for her. I want to live her. Wow you know so. That's how I think that's that's what greatness is to me. 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#11: Weird ways to de-stress. Water like a plant. Shave your face. Table time.

4 Things with Amy Brown

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#11: Weird ways to de-stress. Water like a plant. Shave your face. Table time.

"Hi, my name's Joshua, David Stein. I'm the host of the fatherly podcast here with my co host Jason gay eight refute heads with questions questions about what legal cannabis means for our kids who designs. Awesome playgrounds. Why are we don't think we're funny? True. We talked to a daredevil about managing risk and Gardner from Brooklyn who went to fight ISIS and Jamie, Oliver about failure. I learned a lot me too. So listen, you might learn a lot to thanks dad. Subscribed to the fatherly podcast on the iheartradio app, or wherever you get your podcast the mail. Never. Okay. Little life. Pretty he was pretty beautiful. Because he. Kick with four with Amy Brown episode eleven here, we are. And Kerry at Nashville beauty girl. She is for sure gonna be on this episode talking about face shaving so super pumped about that. And then I have my son Stevenson on his well talking about something super simple. But also something really important that I think we all need to pay attention to and then oh, hey, buddy ours. You're talking about you, you want to come say hi to everybody and tell them that they need to listen to your segment. Yeah. Okay. Say listen to my segment listen to Smick in segment state-linked segment. Good job. You got it. You know, you've had your own segment before a lotta times Stevenson or my daughter stature, they'll just be in the intro, but you've had your own segment before with your protein pancake recipe. Yes. Yeah. People liked that one. And then you're going to be on today's episode with your own segment, and you wrote a song for the segment, which I think people will appreciate because it'll help them remember to do what we're. Going gonna talk about. And then personally me I've just been feeling a little bit stressed lately about some stuff. I don't even really know why. But I've got weird things that can make you less stress. So if you're feeling stressed like me, I I know when I'm getting stressed because I do things like pull out my hair or I start to pick it my face. It's like I want to torture myself when I'm feeling stressed or something. Oh, which speaking of picking at your face, just a reminder the TLC is taking on the Super Bowl this weekend with a six hour marathon of Dr pimple Popper it's going to air on Sunday. February third the same day as the Super Bowl from five pm to eleven pm. And that's on TLC. We're going over to a friend's house for the Super Bowl. So I'll be watching the game. But I may have to sneak into another room and watch this like, Dr pimple Popper marathon Stevenson, do you have anything you want to say to people before we get started. Yes. Oh, what do you wanna say? Hi. Hi. That's it. Okay. How about you say enjoy the episode in the episode? I love you. Hi five. Okay. Let's get started. If you're feeling stress than I've got some weird things that can make you less stress. Now, this isn't your typical like find a corner in your room. That's quiet and be alone. And breathe. I mean, sometimes we just gotta get some stuff done. And this stuff will actually help you knock some stuff maybe off your to do list, but you'll walk away from it less stressed. So here you go five weird things that can make you less stressed number one washing dishes. So a study found that people who practice being mindful while washing the dishes, you know, like smelling the, soap and feeling the water temperature being in the moment. They felt more inspired and less nervous after they were done. Number two, decluttering your home research suggests that having a cluttered house can cause increased levels of the stress hormone cortisol throughout the day whenever I'm feeling nutso. My husband knows that. If we just do a ten minute P you which is. I got that for my sister. She's got four kids, and she does like ten minute to us all the time. If you just do it ten minute pickup session. That's what the p you stands for I instantly feel better. So yeah, really work on that. It will help your stress level. I can speak to that. Now. Number three. This one's a little odd. But y'all I have read this multiple times from different sources, and it is sniffing your partner's laundry. A study last year in the journal of personality and social psychology found that just smelling your significant other's clothes can make you feel calmer. Now when I read this awhile ago, it said that it had to be there thirty close like not they're clean laundry. But maybe they've worked out, and then they have like some of their sweat stuff on there. I don't know. Anyway, this isn't the first time I've heard of this. So I'm passing it along to you guys. And if you're feeling stressed, then go to your dirty clothes and sniff your partner's laundry. See if it helps number four exercising and a group. According to a study exercising with a group reduced. Dress about twenty five percent better than working out alone. And I really feel like maybe you get energy off the people that you're working out with I know that that happens to me at times, and then I ended up having a better workout, and then that releases all kinds of Austin things 'cause you know, working out releases endorphins and endorphins make you happy and happy people don't kill people. I don't know the exact quote, but that's from legally blonde. Pretty sure that's close enough number five dwelling on your failures. In a study last year. Researchers found that writing about previous failures help people to be less stressed when they encountered another difficult situation later on and I feel like that's true. We learn from stuff that we haven't done the best stat like when we failed we hopefully grow from it. And I think when you take time to reflect on that, and how you've grown it'll help you handle better situations in the future kind of makes me think of bobby's book, so I'll go ahead and shout out fail until you don't right here written by Bobby bones. So check out that book if you have not. So there you go by have weird things that can make you less stressed hope at least one of those. We'll help you guys out. If you're feeling a little stressed out these days. For this next thing. I brought in Stevenson my son to help me talk about it. Now, we're talking about something that's fairly simple topic. I feel like it's something easy. It's something we all do, but we all struggle with at the same time. And Stevenson, you wanna say hi to everybody. I have. And do you want to sing your song? That's going to introduce the topic. Okay. Ready? Go. Have. Okay. So thank you for that intro song, buddy. Those really good. What do we talk about at home all the time that you need to drink water? Yes. Into make your P clear. So something that we struggle with in our house with Stevenson ashira, is is hydration. Sometimes win their mood is certainly I'm like, you know, what I feel like maybe they just need water because it really can't affect your mood just sort of like a plant when you water a plant comes back to life. I feel like we're the same way in the doesn't just have to do with kids. It has to do with adults as well. But it's something I noticed in them in particular. So we have really upped our water game. Right. Stevenson. We're trying to drink a lot more water because we don't want your P to be yellow, right? The other yellows bat. Yeah. Man. Okay. You want to be clear. I think that what what is another thing we talk about too. 'cause you're like why is water? So important will our bodies need it like high percentage of our body is made up of water, and we've got to hydrate, and I've told you before too you can go weeks without food, but you can only go three to five days without water. That's how important water is. Do you wanna sip of water? Yeah. Oh, we'll go. Grab it go grab your bottle. So I think that we can get busy with our day, and we can drink coffee and think we're doing good. And the next thing, you know, we've had like five cups of coffee and not that much water, which coffee's fine, but it can dehydrate you, and you just gotta make sure getting enough, and I used to think I just needed like eight cups of water, but I really been upping my water game. And I probably drink ten to eleven cups, and I was doing a little bit of research before I came on here. And it says now women should drink ninety ounces a day, generally speaking, I mean, your height and your weight they play a role, but generally women ninety ounces which is eleven cups of water, and then men should drink one hundred twenty five ounces, which is sixteen cups. I mean, it seems like not too long ago. We were just saying you needed eight cups of water. And so now, it's eleven for me. And then sixteen for my husband, which is a lot. And I know my kids are barely even getting that. But now that we're monitoring your P colors too. We're making sure that it's clear, right. You can play it. One more time. Guilty ease. Okay. Yes. So I know it sounds crazy to be checking the color of your P. But if it's clear that means, you're staying hydrated. So I thought I'd run through some of the benefits of drinking water just as a reminder, and again, this is so simple. But sometimes we need that reminder of. Oh, yeah. Like if you really sat down and thought about how much water you've been drinking, the past few days, would you fall into how to gory of hydration and you've had enough? Or would you be really volley into the category of like you need to go grab water, and you need to be carrying around water with you all day long as you're clearly dehydrated. Okay. So here are the benefits of drinking enough water. Versus increases brainpower and provides energy it flushes out toxins. It promotes healthy weight management and weight loss improves your complexion. Hello, we all want. That maintains regularity. If you know what I'm talking about boost immune system prevents headaches prevents cramps and sprains helps regulate your body. Temperature prevents backaches improves, your heart health prevents bad breath. Takes the edge off hangovers, and it just. Fought out put you in a better mood, which is funny because that's something that I've noticed with my kids too is when they're kind of in a bad mood, if I just water them like a plant. I make sure he'll put one Stevenson. I don't ever put water in your eyes. I put it in your mouth say, buddy. Go make sure you're having your water can put water on my face. When I go to sleep. It doesn't work that way. I wish someone would just water my face and that worked because sometimes you just really don't feel like drinking water, especially in the wintertime. It's hard in the summer. It's definitely a lot easier. But anyway, I know this was like super simple. But sometimes I need the reminder, and maybe you guys did too. And then Stevenson you wanna close us out with your song. So people can remember your little jingle to drink water. Do you have to make? Okay. Everybody dream water say by Stevenson. Bye. Do you know what I love meeting friends after work at a local brewery, maybe gathering around an old barrel or something sipping a well. Crafted juicy IP awhile discussing personal finance, Matt, buddy. You're totally speaking my language, except I'm pretty sure most peeps in this scenario aren't talking about money with their friends because that's a super awkward topic. Why does everyone make it so weird, dude? I know right. It doesn't have to be that awkward, and we'd like to talk about personal finance, especially weekly in my dining room over a craft beer on our podcast how to money whether we're talking about ways to cut your grocery Bill creating side hustles or traveling the world on less. We're having conversations about personal finance and how it relates to normal people who want to enjoy life in also be money smart. That's right. We're all about making these topics relatable and enjoyable, so it's something you'll want to talk about the next time you meet up for drinks. 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I love all of our four things items that we have but pretty obsessed with our latest one it's an all for love pool over, and it's so cute. It says love just four times in a row. Really simple. Love love love love. But it's in pink brace. So it starts like pink fades into like this hot pinkish purplish and then into red. It's so adorable, but it's super limited edition. In fact. I mean, you should go and see if your size is still available these shot, Ford dot com under a spa because spa means hope in Haitian Creole, and you can feel super good when you wear this knowing that it went towards spreading hope in Haiti. So check out the four things all for love pullover at the shop, floor dot com. So I think I started shaving my face about five years ago. So Kelly who I have on here from velvet said, she does fashion stuff. She got me shaving my face. And I remember the first time I did it. I was so nervous. I was freaked out. I was ashamed. I didn't want anybody to know. I remember Bobby, and I were in New York for work. And I think I said to him have something to confess, and he looked like a what is happening. And I just said I shave my face. And I I wanna talk about it on the show. So I'm super embarrassed. I don't know how to handle it. But I wanna go I think people need to know about it. So what did he say? I do too big deal. Yeah. I don't really know what he thought. But we did it. I came on air. I think we've been teased it like you're not going to believe what Amy's doing he probably built it up for few days. And then I came on and confessed, I shave my face, and it just. I honestly I can't believe I went so many years without shaving my face. But nobody had ever told me about it. I knew I had all this little peach fuzz, but you hear these rumors like if you shave then it's going to grow back thick, and, you know, obviously, learn that nonsense. So all this being said for starting that face shaving segment that I've been talking about. And I've got carry with me. She's at Nashville beauty girl. She's been on before. And she's going to talk to us about maybe what you've heard about face shaving. And then why it's like really really good for us. It does sound strange. I mean, it's definitely like oh shut my face. Like you're saying earlier, and it's doesn't have to be like shaving cream and a BIC razor in a mirror type of situation. I mean, although I have a big razor before my husband said, I I don't care if you shave your face. I just don't want to hear you talk about shaving your face. And I don't ever wanna walk in on you, shaving your face on you say that because with. My husband because it's kind of like twice a week. My little beauty routine. I do at night, you know. And and so I kind of hear split steps. And I'm like God, I wanna get my mirror and do this. But he's gonna come in. And what if Nick myself, and then if he sees that? And it's just I don't know. I ought out attractive, and I mean, we're like skin medical people. I don't understand. But yeah. So well, first of all, you we you have another name for it. So I think of other like prettier names like scalpels facial, or, you know, facial razoring, you know, I'm like, oh, yeah. Scuffle facial. It's basically pretty much reality. What it is. So in the office are used a medical grade mechanical tool, it has a handle on it in a scalpel it's blunt ended in so I can get a little closer in office by doing it. I believe in doing a wet Dermot plane in so a wet Dermot playing just means that there's a cleanser or something on your skin. So that it. Actually, I teach my patients to do this at are doing it at home. So it prevents you know, as many chances of getting little nicks and things like that Dermot play into something that is next billion is pretty much seeing the peach fuzz off your skin. So your products at home, penetrate better or in the office for doing it with the treatment in Kelly situation doing make up it makes your makeup go to a whole next level. You know, because you don't have that peach fuzz kind of in the way. And so it makes for good canvas for makeup. It's something that doesn't take a lot of time. But it just makes a big difference. And it's not going to grow back thicker. No. So what I are tell patients, and I personally think myself too is you know, when you're used to your skin me and really smooth, and it starts to grow back a little bit. And you're not used to that. It's like, oh, what's what is that in? So it kind of makes coming back thicker, and it's not. It's not. No, I can I again, I've been doing five years and it has not come back thicker. Yeah. And again, it's so scary to do it the first time so. You could get some your girlfriend's together. And y'all could have a we're not calling face shaving. You have. What are we calling it? Carry scuffle facial y'all can have a scalpel facial party and shave your faces basically, and you know, you mentioned the BIC thing. So sometimes if I've been a odds on that too. Yes. In a bossy see in the in the shower, and I'm like, I feel something. I didn't get that area will grab it. Yeah. Just grab a razor and go for it. But there are these handy. Little facial hair. Raiser things that we're have I seen my daughter goes to hair world because of their hair or hair world herald. Okay. I mean, I don't know in Nashville, we have all these places called hair world in. It's where I go to get stuff for my daughter's hair. And they have the facial array was there. But Amazon also have them in one great strange names. It's called tinkle. Yes. They also have flamingos a left-wing goes in the teen goals. And then I brought you some today. These are the ones I get at Walgreens Revlon makes. Some and they're actually called a called facial defender. Let me see that name. I know what are you doing? I'm defunding that sounds better than shaving and maybe has been like four dollars in. So honestly, they're not going to be as, you know, sharp for as I might have in the office to get like a really close Dharma plane. But I mean after one, you know, and if your extra fuzzy, you might have to go through to and then tall, some, you know, and right, but like I like to use them I feel like when I when I use these at home. I definitely will do it twice a week. Okay. So twice a week and the new at night. Well, I mean. Yeah. Now, if I'm like right now, I'm peeling 'cause I just did a chemical peel two nights ago. So I'll use it this morning to kind of get some that dead skin cells off, and then put, you know, little bit hydration on my makeup on. So just kind of helps kind of get through retin-a peel if you're peeling from from from doing at home retin-a or doing like a chemical peel in you're starting to feel a little bit. So, but if I'm not doing anything my favorite way to do. It is yet night when I have my own minute. You know, like the bath be running and shut the door and maybe glass of wine there before I started planning, obviously. But I'll have facial steamer which can get those on Amazon to okay. Yeah. Tell me about the facial seamer because I don't have one you said live twenty bucks on Amazon. There's a great one. I'll send it to. You can also get there's they go to a hundred bucks, but you can put your face over a stove if you want to before it sure in so just to get a lot of hydration under skin. So that your skin's not as dry when you're Dermot planning or when you're pointing yourself makes for less just cuts, and it makes for easier glide. And so when I usually put my facial steamer on and then I'll do my cleanser. And then I'll be you know, shaving my face. And then when I'm done I might put on like a sheet mask or a mask, or I'm definitely putting on like, my vitamins or buck. Like a vitamin serum or even retin-a night because those products are going to penetrate down deeper, you don't have this layer of just outer layer of dead skin, and then some peach fuzz, they're so well, I will sometimes do it around my crow's feet area. Have no idea if there's if this is true or not in my brain. I feel like it's helping lessen the wrinkles that are there. So is that is there any truth? I think it's totally fine of. Yes. I definitely think that if you have just I mean, as we get closer to forty you know, you know, you've got a little bit of crows feet normal. I so if you have skin that accumulates in those it just gonna Larry us, dry dock legally in your products, your cream will work better to okay, and I just pulled up on Amazon right now. And there's like three or four different facial seamers. They all look like the same. They're all different brands, but they're all in twenty to thirty five dollar range. I'm sure all of them work equally finds if you just type. In to Amazon, which is what I just did face steamer. For facial something awesome will come up, but then on Instagram, I'll try to link whatever carry since me, I'm radio, and then she's at Nashville beauty, girl and no joke. Carey literally brought a mirrow in her and cheese on shaving her face while we're talking so. No, if you hold your skin taught tell like around your quick if they have the the facial raise, and this is the razor. That's the Walgreens, but tinkle tinkle. Yeah. So tell people to do you go upward motion or down. So like it's starting to area when it kinda hold my skin taught. And I'm just gonna do look at a forty five degree angle in an I'm going to go up with it. And then also gonna go over to the side with the too. You can go different angles here there to see that layer of dead skin impeach. I mean, that's that's like you pump. It a pimple. It is pretty satisfying. You see the skin on the little rat or saying, you're kinda like, okay? This is awesome. And I like to get around I lip area has around the mouth when you open like I'm the corners. That's the trick. So before I did this. I thought was walking around with this little peach fuzz mustache and in. The sun is totally obvious thing with peach like us is that is that it won't be you use laser hair removal for that has to target like a fair skin and dark hair the laser just loves you. And you know, we might get a little couple those hormonal ones, which you can have I had a hormonal. What is it hair comes out of my chin, and I need to go get zapped. It idealimage because it's so embarrassing. Sometimes I don't notice how quickly it grows, and they don't we still long and I get mortified like oh my gosh. Did anybody see it? But I always have to take a tweezers to it. And I ended out. I know I'm saying I'm the same, but yet being fair haired girls, and then also just having peach fuzz, I mean, this is like the best. To do it. And you're getting two and one satisfaction expulsion. And then in the peach fuzz, also. Yeah. Okay. Awesome. Well, thank you for coming on to talk about facial sculpting already forgot full-face. Scaffold facial. I'm just calling it face shaving. I'm shave my face. And you know, if if you're nervous to do it don't be just I'm gonna do it to Tori, all and post on Instagram page. Okay. So head on over to national beauty girl. She'll have to to'real up and you're not alone. There's nothing to be embarrassed about can't believe I was so embarrassed about it for so long. And now, I really don't care obviously, doing whole gas on it. I shave my face. I have to pluck hairs outta my chin like whatever it just happens. I guess the older you get the less you care because and you just wanna share with other people what what's worked, and I think when do good work. Good. How's it gonna cost when you do? Good. You look good. And you look good. You feel good. When you feel good you work backwards last. I love it. We have a saying that we're not very good. Sorry, bobby. You look good. You feel good. You feel good. You for me? I work better. I work. Good. I continued get paid. We're really good motivational speakers here me in Kerry. Okay. Well, thank you for coming on. And we're gonna have carry back on she's our Goto beauty girl. So anyway, get your Tinkle's out and start shaving. So this last Sunday at church in the message eating around the table with family and friends came up and just how important that is. And I mean, there was way more involved in the message. But that was a huge takeaway for me and my husband because I feel like we have noticed that our kids really enjoy being around the table. We just aren't very good at always making it happen. And like before we came became parents in the last year leading up. I mean, we were trying to be parents for years and years when we talk about having a family, we're like, oh, yeah. We're gonna eat around the table every single night. But life is just a little crazy kids stuff works stuff. It's definitely more difficult to get around the around the table. Now. My husband he grew up eating around the table with his family pretty much every night. My mother-in-law will cook a meal, and they would gather around, and that's just how it was my circumstance was a lot different. I grew up with. My mom. I mean when I was in junior high I had my sister. She was in high school, but she was really busy in on drill team and very active, and I don't remember us all three of us gathering around the table together and my mom worked. And then by the time, I was in high school. It was just me, and my mom, and she was working. And I just remember like, you know, we would pick food up or if she cooked something we weren't necessarily eating together or we eat in the living room. And I just don't remember mealtimes family, even my dad was at home like he moved out when I was eight eight or nine years old. So the I still don't remember family time around the table. And my dad loved food food was his lovling, which he would cook. My I will say my sister and her family, they are really good at mealtime around the table, and they've got four kids and she's done a great job with them. And I don't know if some of that is credited to them always making a point as much as they can to have meals together around the table. I don't know. Maybe there's something to it. But all know is over this last year of being a mom and dad to Stevenson and stuff sheera. I have noticed when we gather around the table. They may they thrive off of that something in their personality really comes out, and they share more about their day. And we laugh, and it's just it just really good. But again, you kind of forget the weeks go on and then you're kind of we have a bar area in our kitchen where they can sit on barstools, and I can be cooking and cleaning and talking to them, and I can knock out other stuff. Maybe I'm not really hungry, but they can eat, and it's just not the same feel, but they're getting food, and we are together. But it's not like when we're gathered around the dining room table together. So my husband, and I after we left church like, okay, we have got to start doing this. This is what we wanted to do when we got kids, and we just not been good about making it happen. So, of course, Sunday night made dinner, and we all sat around the table. And we had the best time almost confirmed everything. And of course, I was really observant of every little detail because I was like is this really worth it some fantasy. I have where I think they're better around the table, and we bond more. But no it really was. I was in tune with what was happening, and they are different people. And I feel like afterwards they were different and we felt closer. And there was so much laughter. And my daughter was like can we play a game? Like when we got done. She wanted to to play game together as a family. So it led to more in. I will confess that that was on Sunday. And we haven't been able to gather around the table since then, but our new goal is to at least try to make that happen to two three times a week in it's hard because my husband's schedule, and then sometimes my work schedule is a little bit different. And honestly, some mornings I have to wake up so early that I like to eat dinner at four o'clock, and my kids are ready to eat dinner. But we've just got to make it happen like. I don't know how we're going to get those two to three days in every night. Just because scheduling, but we're going to try to commit to it. And that would be my challenge all too, and I'm right there with you is that even if it's just one night a week or one night every two weeks. I mean, 'cause I know things can be nuts. But let's just try to gather around the table with our families. And and have that time together. First of all, I think eating meals around the table like other things that are good for you. Besides the the fellowship with your family is it slows us down. And even digestive Lee. Speaking digestive is the word, but when it comes to your digestion like when you're slowing down and you eat slower, it's better for you. And then Secondly being present is really important. And that's what I was focusing on Sunday. I was like, okay. Well, I'm really in this. Nobody has their phones out the TV's not on were all here. There were sharing stories like were in the moment. It just felt really good. And then Thirdly that leads to connection connecting with others in an archaic. So I was connecting with my husband and my kids, and it was really good for us. So those are three little things that I think, you know, observed when that was happening as I ate a lot slower, which I know is good for me. I was present in the moment. And then we had a connection we were connecting with each other. And maybe you're listening to this. And you're like, well, I don't have a husband and kids or wife and kids will maybe there's some friends or friends with families that you could hop in on some family meals and get that get that fellowship that you're probably craving to you. Just don't know it that would be really good for you to have. And then if you are a family, and you have single friends in your life. Then maybe you do the part where you invite people over and have them gather around your table with you that something that our pastor was challenging us to in the message on sun. Day was you know, inviting people in and especially people that are maybe they're your friends, or maybe you don't know them that while you need to get to know them, or maybe they're totally different than you. It's good to have that diversity at the table. So I don't know. This is something that was on my mind, though, I thought I would share with y'all too and see how you felt about meals around the table. If there's any tips you have for me for organizing this or making it happen. I will gladly take them because I know that a lot of you out there are wiser than me, and maybe have more life experience than me. And I'm open to that. But yeah. Eating around the table. Let's try to do it more. Whether you got a family, whether you're single whether you got friends, whether you got whatever just gather around the table together. That's a wrap on today's episode. I really appreciate Carey at Nashville beauty girl on Instagram for stopping in to talk about face shaving. I love when I get to have guests on and they're taking time out of their day to come chat with us. So I really appreciate it. And we'll Stevenson he was on hope you'll like everything else that we talked about. And then I've got my Email shout out here. This one's from Aaron and I chose this one because it's got a tip in here for anybody else. That's listening and trying to write things down in case. I'm sharing something that you want to remember. So it says, hey, Amy, I'm absolutely in love with your four things podcast Thursdays. Are my new favorite day of the week? I was listening this morning to the most recent episode and wanted to jot down the recipe for your deodorant. I'm sure you can do this with other podcast listening apps, but on apple podcast, you can slow down or speed up. You're listening. Pace. I've used the time in half speed when I've been away without WI fi. And I'm behind on my daily dose of the Bobby bone show. But today in an attempt to get your recipe written down without having to press. Pause. I used the halftime feature. I was laughing hysterically in the parking lot of the elementary school. I'm a nanny so shout out to all the nannies out there. If you need a good laugh. This is a must you sounded like you had a little something extra in your glowing green smoothie, thanks for all that you do and all that you are already eager for next Thursday, Aaron and Virginia. So I chose this again because it's tip. So you can speed up podcasts or slow them down. I think is pretty amazing. If you're in a hurry and trying to get through something I listen to things or from listening to an audio book. I listen to it on the faster pace. And sometimes the summit of I can't listen to it too crazy to I don't know what they're saying. But speeding it up definitely helps. But I never thought about slowing it way down. If I was trying to write down a recipe. Easy. So I don't really know what she was implying when she said sounds like a huddle something extra might glowing green smoothie, but may be that. I was uncomfortable and needed to go to the bathroom on route. So Aaron thank you for that tip. And it's a good one. I will share recipes from time to time on here. And I'm sure yeah. A lot of you were driving multitasking or doing other things when you're listening to this podcast. Oh, you may not necessarily be able to stop and write it down, which sometimes stuff that. I talk about I've got recipes up on my Instagram. Maybe I'll make a highlight page, I'm at radio Amy on Instagram, and then speaking of radio, Amy, we do have radio, Amy dot com. Purchase the website trying to get that worked out. So that way I can use that as a place to send y'all and then you won't have to write anything down. You won't have to listen to me talking really really slow. So you can jot it down the Aaron thanks for the tip because I'm sure a lot of people didn't even know they could listen to podcasts on a faster speed to help you get through faster. Sometimes I don't want a podcast to end. So I want it to be the full Inc. Like because it's entertaining me while I'm doing something else. But audio books for sure or have Steph. I'm really trying to get through. 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The Moon - Poem

Storynory

01:11 min | 11 months ago

The Moon - Poem

"The Moon by Robert Louis Stevenson. The moon has a face like the clock in the whole she shines shines on thieves on the garden wall on streets and fields and harbor keys and Buddies Asleep in the folks folks of the trees the squabbling cat and the squeaking mouse the howling dog by the door of the House the bat. What's that lies in bed at noon? All love to be out by the light of the moon but all of the things that belong into the day cuddled to sleep to be out of her way and flowers and children closed their eyes till up in the morning owning the Sun shall arise and that was the moon by Robert. Louis Stevenson. Hope you enjoyed that poem in which conjures up the night time in some very visual versus for now for me Richard at Story Nori Dot com goodbye.

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Taylor Stevenson  CAF Tora! Wing Pilot

EAA's The Green Dot - An Aviation Podcast

49:56 min | 10 months ago

Taylor Stevenson CAF Tora! Wing Pilot

"Speed up your number one now. They're lingering dot dot dot hello and welcome to the green dot e as podcast for anyone and everyone who loves aviation the Green Dot sponsored by Ge Aviation. My Name's Brian and I'm the senior editor for print and digital content content publications here at one of the hosts of the green dot sitting here on my left. It is. I'm Chris Henry I'm one of the other host. I'm also the museum programs coordinator all right and Chris we have against he said across the table and he looks frightened he does he does Dav. We're really happy to have all the way from Texas Taylor Stevenson joining us. Who actually flies with the with the Torah Act? So thank you for coming up in being with us today. Yeah absolutely the scared look is also what I have in the cockpit as well same holds true for all for all of US above average pilots. which is everybody coming in to landing? Cleef so Taylor before we sort of dive into what you do these days With Torah and all that all that cool stuff I I always love to go back to go back to the beginning and and find out how what was it about aviation how did you. How did you get involved? Do you remember the first thing you loved aviation where your model. I don't actually remember the first thing about aviation because it's just always been in the family So I was blessed to have grown up with my Dad Gordon Stevenson who I guess when I was born he used to scuba dive and ski and all that stuff and he's like yeah. I can't really do that with a little kid. What can I do? And so He'd always wanted to fly. My grandfather father was a flight engineer on B. Twenty four's in the Pacific with a three eightieth bomb group and so he had always grown up with my grandfather and my great uncle was a tail. Gunner and B twenty. Five's is always telling stories of aviation and so. He always wanted to do that. Well I guess I kind of kickstarted it So he was in nineteen thousand nine he was at the Addison. Texas airshow. You and there were two pieces For Sale so dad went up and you know what looks cooler not six sitting out there and it was kind of a fresh paint job Boban and he walks up and Calls one of his good friends at the time is basically my uncle Ray Kinney who had his pilot's license and said Hey ray let's by six and Ray is kind of what I was saying. Okay whatever whatever you call me when you need the money you know didn't never thought it was happened. We'll dad I bought the t six call ray up in two weeks later. Dad's signed up for flying lessons. So he kind of jumped headfirst into the thing Getting a pilot maker so So I did grow up just grew up in the backseat of T. Six six years old. I remember Freedom Flight Ninety five where we took one hundred and twenty aircraft from Long Beach California new to New York City I think we did six or seven and airshows along the way and so there's no greater childhood and ask for greater childhood than get into go and and and an experienced that and the neat thing is I'm excited to share it with my kids but it's it's got a a bittersweet day because I'm going to be one of the last generation that actually got to interact with the people that flew these in combat that built them Back in Korea World War Two and before so I'm I'm really blessed to have been able to grow up with aviation that's excellent so tell us a little bit about what your flight training. When did you start learning to fly? You've been around you. He's six which is fantastic. I'd like to fly by a t six. I broke it down both Cadillac that but really dad always joked that I was I could fly. IOF are when I was probably eight years old because I couldn't see over the canopy rail and he'd say oh I need to change maps. Hold the instrument. I'd sit there and look at you know artificial horizon and just kind of keep it going. We've got that exact same joke in my family. That was really. Yeah so so ray. Kenny also had a nineteen forty-six Piper j three cub with a sixty five horse engine in no electrical. Oh system about as good as it gets. And so when I was fifteen. He started doing kind of the formal Flight Training with me and a good family friend. Aubrey hair. Who flew flew? Basically everything that a stable for Cavanaugh flight museum and Blue Ticks and stuff. I was Aubrey's last student. We like to. He's he he kind of wears. He says he wears a badge of honor. I think I scared him so bad. He didn't want to know but now it was When I was fifteen Fly Piper cub out of our country. North Dallas and on my sixteenth birthday Solo. The cub then drove from the airport after getting student licensed to the DMV. To get my driver. So I always like to say I I could legally fly before I could drive So the cub was awesome to build. Time in there's nothing neater than going cross country driest eighteen wheelers or passing. ESPN everywhere you stop to fill up hand proper chocolate and and go so But after that we I'd always knew just grown up. WanNa get into warbirds and you can't just go you could but you know there's GonNa be a logical step between a cub and the t six and then beyond and so. I've always loved the Stinson. L Five and to me the l four was gonna you know there's some grasshopper aficionados. I was out there prior to say but the L. A. Piper cub with more glassy was is an existing design that was translated into military service. Same thing with the L.. Three same thing with the L.. To the twelve or or champ and the L. One and the l five were designed from from the ground up as a military machine. It was a ward Set up sixty five horse. We've got a hundred and ninety horsepower. Got flapping flaps drooping ailerons. It was cool so I remember being twelve years old and Eleven or twelve in. Sam Taber who's always up here at Oshkosh with his L.. Five walked right up to him about the best guy I on the planet walked. Start talking and sometimes you get some people aviation that When somebody young walks up up to him you know they don't necessarily discount him but it's kind of like okay? He's asking some questions. I would just boom in. Sam is one of those great individuals that He latched on told told me all the information ever wanted to know about the l five and just encourage he and Jim Gray Dunkin Cameron some of these others. That were in that group just really took me under their wing and so eventually found found project and began restoration. That was my my first foray into warbirds myself. All that's very cool. Yeah Sam's a good friend to a bunch bunch of the well to to the organization General He's our boss Jim. Bush publications is one of his best buddies. And Jim has an l five live. Oh that's very cool and Taylor you. I mean you're L five. Restoration is is gorgeous. I mean thank you. That was one of the first ones I know says that all the gas. Yes I do But no seriously you're aircraft is impressive. Yeah I appreciate it. It was we're lucky enough to find a really solid project from Duncan Cameron out. He was in Tennessee at that point. And so I went out there and And took a look at it and you know dad and and I we. I grew up working on cars and airplanes. A little bit with dad and Really we had been looking for an L. Five That was kind of plug and play a but it's kind of like anything for a parent. I don't have kids but I'm sure one day I'll realize it was like none of them. Were kind of up to his standards. One of the most safe. You know you WANNA make sure it was gone through and all that stuff and we finally determined and we started out with saying. We're not GONNA have project. Well that seemed to be the the only way we were going to get a product that we that we really liked at at that market at that point So I went over. I heard about this Guy Just kind of in between Dallas Fort Worth Name Lonnie Parcel Funny Awesome Guy One of my best friends so I flew the cup over there and he is restored shoot. Probably fifteen l five's over the year And started talking with him. And we ended up I said hey you know if I get this you know the two of us going to start working on it and You know basically be my mentor and in and and teach me how to do this and and so when I got the five and from that point I think it was about sixteen months. We had flying airplane so is it was It was pretty much. My twos two summers during high school. So seventeen eighteen nineteen and those two summers. That was my job. Drove drove forty minutes each way drive out to propwash. Were Little Airport flying community and worked with him and it was the most amazing and it was the best experience. It's because you know whether it's a l. five or cub or TC want or pilots. Or whatever the principles you learn rebuilding a cub They get more complicated. But you know carburetors carburetor internal combustion engine to all internal combustion engine so it was a great learning experience experience in being able to I guess quickly trouble. Shoot whatever something was going on because you've seen it you put it together so it was just an amazing experience. Yeah we come up in his Oshkosh two thousand nine and We're honored to receive the best Elbert so it was great very cool. That's awesome the eve. Also become through a safe haven for other L. five projects right. I've seen other fuselages Kinda hanging out or I'm sitting. Yeah senior scratching my neck. I've got the addiction. It's it's one of the things that you always. It's always the good deals you know. It's like okay. Oh Man I don't really need another l.. Five Project Komo in build it but I mean it's got this part that's really rare. It's such a great deal. I can't pass so now. I think we're up to three full projects that her hanging from our rafters of our hanger Probably got five and a half airplanes worth of parts and it's just part of it is preserving it the wings are would the tails would If you leave him outside you have dry rot issues and stuff like that so you really need to make sure that they're indoors. Early aircraft had a Early casing glue that breaks down over time The later models have more synthetic resources and all so if you find resources all weighing it's imperative. Get it inside side protected. Because they're they're usually going to be good So part of its preservation part of it is just my crippling addiction to l five sentinel. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever. No it just had such a story story history. I mean basically it the C forty seven. Maybe the P forty there are few airplanes every single and L. Four EV- every single campaign Most air forces during war to It's action it was in Burma is in you. Know Now Southeast Asia it was in Europe everywhere so just got a very interesting history and one of my favorite L Five Related Trinkets we have is one of the two known. Existing Brody Hooks There's one in the Smithsonian there's one with us and there's there is a flying replica. Healthcare that comes oshkosh lot. But it's like who'd have thought to take a l five in essentially a brady hoke is a big old hook. They put on the top of it and landed on nets. It's off the side of ships and and so she's like who thought there's another airplane. You get a good idea that the time my beer beer and actually it's really kind of counter intuitive. They lost a few airplanes in the initial trials. Because it's okay what's a tale. Drager your land in you know it's power typically power off and you've got the stick back three point attitude and you're down will problem with that. Ah is when you hit that. Net your inertial wants to. It wants to pull you forward and up as you swing up so really what you have to do is full power and stick. Stick way forward to try to get enough authority to keep it from slinging up and so they actually had some of these guys and they just plopped into the water and that's when we found out that was about a thirty foot right down on the water will break the landing gear on and five springs upwards and will block the doors so they had to kick out the front windows to get out and stuff so I never wanted. I never want to try that out but sure cool at the ATHOL. Somebody said she put the Brady Hoke l five and do demonstration. I said well have the bill. All four l five because a record season trying to yeah but otherwise. I'll do that. You buy the Big Shit I can do it. Yes yes exactly do it out of the seaplane base fantastic. So what was your progression moving on from there. So you get the. That's what you're flying lying and then and then tell me about types flown and how you work your way is so The L five is a great trainer. It's it's well well I would say it's not a great introductory tale. We'll turn it was a great transition from the L. Five or sorry the cub to You know the t six or something like that because it is. It's it's actually squirrelly airplane you've got these struts that the gear comes in through the sides of the aircraft and then it's these two struts and there's there slack about three inches of slack in each strut so inflight the landing gear kind of tucked under when that that it takes up slack. So you don't really WanNa on pavement especially you. Don't don't really want Greece it on. You GotTa make sure he Kinda Plop it in because what will happen is if Greece it on they'll stay tucked in a start kind of untucked in alternating only so it probably will not group itself or something like that but people over correcting for that may so you just. It's a really good squirrel ear tail-wheel trainer so great Hours flying that Got A few hundred hours in the l five and then started transitioning into the t six Ray Kinney once again we started flying together He put me in the front seat and it was pretty cool. It was my pretty much my first introduction into retractable gear and high-performance in Variable pitch prop so it was a lot to kind of throw at at the mall all at once but it was just as it would have been in the wall. Yeah that was your first complex. Flex airplane for for many people. If you're coming out of a Stephen or Orion or -solutely onto the Thiessen high-performance retractable complex. Yen seems incredibly daunting now now but look back and these were teenagers. Oh Yeah they look the neat part about that generations. I mean they they lived and breathed it. I I think I flew a lot moving to that point but I mean they were day in day out and worst case they recommend they push off this guy out and they've got a thousand more behind so we're a little more cautious these days so A flu the flu with Ray And a couple other instructors and got my t six checkout and really just started started flying on it because grown up kind of with the with the formation GonNa Formation Clients With Dad and and North American Trainers Association and the CAS Tehran. On and best. Piece of one of the best piece of advice I got was. Hey you know before you do any of the formation the t six to be second nature before you do formation and and Getting on later to flying for Torah and some higher performance you know flying formation needs to be second nature before you do any of that so really just kind of started flying the heck Accounta- the T six and Burning Law Gas Sayyad at twenty thirty two gallons an hour. You go through gas pretty quickly but Not to mention oil. It's it's not leaking. It's out you know it's But started flying that flying to ships with some friends doing formation and then Really the next thing was to get your your formation air safety fast Wing Card and so it was lucky or see that that out midland Texas with Ray Hoffman he guys lately he's No longer with with us. Those kind of a special moment there in two two of my buddies Good friends got their wing cards that we can do so Really just started flying formation. That's GONNA win. The world opens up. You can go play right absolutely so I mean you you've actually went from you know CONVENTIONAL ULTA J three cub to Elbert l five to Te- six what it comes after the t six because I know you've gotten fly some pretty interesting airplanes. Yes so the t six and I'll talk a little bit about the t six t six I think gets inappropriately bad reputation. But it's really a sweetheart. It's gone airplane. It's it's with flown within its limits. It is an amazing airplane. You cannot have in finance arguable but you cannot have any more fun than a six iphone. Some gun to fly some neat stuff and I think if somebody said what are you. You could have one on airplane whether it'd be you know Piper cub or or T- six So it is a it is truly the pilot maker. That's how it got. Its name so. It was a great trainer for the fighters but In today's environment that's kind of controlled my insurance companies and they they pretty much set the requirements these days You know the minimums basically you're one hundred hours a t six and then in the AF depending on the unit you fly for a hundred two hundred hours of the t six and then thousand total time or something like that so early. Twenty Seventeen I had the opportunity to fly with best organizations out there the collings foundation and they have such a awesome professional. They're they're the instructors I had were Were great and I got transitioned into their beef into a Mustang the to loose nuts and that is a beautiful airplane. There's nothing cooler not fifty-one. Absolutely yeah so I was the Dow's my first foray into the fighters so I got checked out into that. It was the first time behind a V twelve and really the reason I wanted to do that. Was I had the opportunity to fly. The P sixty three King Cobra for the the Dixie wing of the AF which is based on Atlanta and That's a single seat you know V Twelve and Kinda wanted somebody with me the first time I flew the Food V twelve but really the t six did amazing job prepping you for the Mustang and I can see how people like Howard Party. You know always used to joke. Yeah you should really you you know start out in the bearcat go to the P fifty one. And then you're ready for the t six type of thing because the wattage of my Mustang Training Down at Stuart Florida and we had a little coastal wind coming in and I was little you know okay. I don't know what it was fifteen knots or something like that but who's Across win come in for my first landing in all wrapped in I get you. You know. Typical crossman correction at the end of the wind landing gear touches just slightly. I and I'm waiting for the one I bring it down. And compared to the six it felt like that other landing at the wing tip of the of the Mustang it was such it's a wide stance it's pretty pretty solid so It was the t six did. Did a great job so Started transition into the P sixty three King Cobra which it's an experimental aircraft so The neat part about this is really The way the paper works written on this one is you need a log book entry from somebody that's a CFO that's check down the aircraft and then Then you have to get your Experimental aircraft authorization station basically the experimental typewriting for it. And really the only way you do that has have one of the desharnais examiners sitting on the ground watching in you don't mess up fund fun so To my good friends Craig who Shannon Mark. Todd both flew sixty three out there and did some transition transfer this the requirements are that with two different Of their check. Airman you have to do Full check ride from the backseat of a T. Six to simulate the lack of visibility and And all that good stuff so Did those two and then I went out to Atlanta I basically did a cockpit checkout and and way way I went The P sixty three is such a unique aircraft. It's I call it. The eighteen warthog war too because literally early they see the Erico. The P thirty nine Basically were designed around a gun platform they so the government said. Hey we need a thirty millimeter cannon. You know make it fly and so then you got all the problems. Okay he got. It's gotta be in front. We don't WANNA put on the way and it's so big you gotta put Frantz that means. He got a weight and balance issue. So you're GONNA put the engine behind the pilot. How do you then get the drive shaft from the engine to the propeller? Okay we gotta do this. Drive shaft between your legs the infamous driveshaft between your legs. That's going to come apart and scrambling in the cockpit which there's no I have never seen a that's an old wives tale. Never seen an issue that But yeah it was just such a feat of engineering and I I was actually a little more nervous about flying the sixty three. Not because the engine behind me or anything like that because because most of my most if not all of my time was all tail end so I was actually like counterintuitive. I was actually more nervous backing in the nose wheel airplane but never mind the fact that it's a priceless. Not Quite. Oh Yes yes yes so I was a little bit. They said the hardest part about is just taxing the thing because it's a free casting kind of like a B.. Twenty five is free. Castrating knows will so you've got it's pretty much as differential breaking it at slower speeds so taxied sit around the the airport a little big the feel for it. One of the things that Gotcha and it's not really there's like safety issue with it. It's just more of a Safety of your pride issue is that nose wheel you can turn so tight that it gets cocked over so tight that you can't UN cockpit so you gotta shutdown get out and of course you know. Everyone's watching luckily that knocking on wood. That hasn't happened yet but that was one of the things they said WHO. Just don't talk the news with over because it's embarrassing and of course you gotta do that you know at Oshkosh Ashqar or something in front of a billion people but so is great. It's a The weirdest part about it is the first time you start it. You know luckily one of my instructors. That didn't didn't surprise me because one of my instructors told me hey did when you start this thing. It's GonNa feel it's GonNa feel and sound like you're bringing it. You're not breaking it because what what happens is you have. There's a certain harmonic drive train going from the engine through your legs through the gun compartment up to the remote gearbox up in front it likes you know once wants to get past sixteen seventeen eighteen hundred. RPM It'll kind of harmonize but when it's it shakes rattles and all that stuff i. It's it's cool now now looking back on it but the first time you're sitting there like he said I'm not breaking it but I feel like I'm breaking it. That's fantastic that you can like. Roll down the window and lean out like car. Yeah yeah well I think actually the. I think it was studebaker. That bell actually had the doors under contract from so. It's literally like driving down the road. Another thirty two chevy you can. You can roll the windows down but that makes it easier to waive somebody over to hey straighten up my nose we exactly. How do I start this? Yeah now it's A. It's a neat airplane. The bad part about those windows you can only drop them about a half inch. I think in flight and so they don't really do the the they're more for show than anything and people say. Oh the school doors on the sides gotta be easy to get in and out of and aunts and it is it is it was it was built bill for a contortionist to get in there and on the left side. You can't even really use that door because the throttle quadrant is actually fully in the doors like the door gap itself so if you open it up astronomer so really unless you really screwed something up and you got some spin. You're trying to bail out of or something you need to go the outside always use that right door But IT IS A. There's just so many little engineering fee tweaks in it that make it such a quarter-point is actually the best airplane. I've flown that for a static display at an air show because because we have a replica. Thirty millimeter cannon with all the cool big old brash upfront. So with about probably thirties uses this is I can undo that whole side of the gun panel people walk up and they see the gun right there with a few more. I can take the engine panels off the side when you're looking at and allison engine soon right there so it's very. It's a very cool airplane to get little kids all excited about huge gun. Let's go what's this engine like. Tell me more about this and about every single person that walks up says. Oh that's a cool Merlin. Engine you have to. Actually it's Allison No way better than a Merlin. Send your cards and letters. To Taylor's we've got Merlin people income people. Yeah we can irritate. Let's shift gears just a little bit talk about talk about Torah. The Torah the act of course traces its lineage. Back to the film that recording is were screening. The movie tonight you and I will be introducing later Taylor but in my opinion Talking about the movie for just a second one of the two Two best to sort of aviation war movies OBI's out ever made. I put it to me at Stora and Battle of Britain In terms of great flying and lots of real airplanes and stuff and of course decades before. Cgi Hi and things like that so around the time of the making of the movie You know we're we're taking T. sixes and bt thirteen's largely as I understand it and correct me if I'm wrong and that's what we're using the basis for Zeros and vows and cates to recreate these Japanese aircraft so you could have Recreate the Pearl Harbor attack and have of this sort of Armata. So what was the path from These airplanes getting built news for the for that much loved film Going from there you're to it becoming A demonstration that we've seen at airshows for decades now so in nineteen seventy one. The production company after for things were all said and done. They made these airplanes. You know they ship them back to the states After filming over in Hawaii. And it's kind of like okay. What do you what do you do with all these a sold old som- they donate some? Won't they ended up. The production company donated Four Zeros and a Keeton Avowal to at that point the confederate air force down down in Arlington and of course they had to put them back together radios in get them all back up to snuff and there was at the seventy to Galveston Show Oh that I think it was you know during the opening ceremony and stuff like that they they flew around in a simulated dogfight To basically start the show. Oh being the first part of a warranty was Pearl Harbor on for the Americans and So once they did that. People Kinda cool and so- formerly formerly in seventy two. They started Marketing initially just in Texas but now he fly airshows all over the country and in fact international airshows we've flown as well and we're now the the longest continually operating civilian airshow act on the world. We've been think are twenty. Twenty Two will be our fiftieth year. So it's going to be a big big year air force so right now we have eleven aircraft and they're all in by the the commemorative Air Force which if you don't know the AF was founded nineteen fifty seven it's It eight along with the planes of fame and the other early museums are really the reason we have warbirds today. Because of the foresight of Lloyd Nolan Lefty Gardner. Some of these Warburg Pioneers so we have over one hundred sixty aircraft all across the nation so Eleven of those aircraft are the tour aircraft and there there with a tour group and there's a vowel now with the tech wing down in San Antonio so we've got the unit has three cates Avow in the restaurant zero grow so I am one of the Lucky Kate pilots. Which I'll yeah there's only about nine people gonna make mad with this comment? CATES are way better better than zero. So good we're focusing your anger. That's exactly so the kate. Of course being the where the Nakajima the torpedo bomber. Yes so so the there are no. There's one substantial kind of it's not really a wreck. It's more of a derelict aircraft. I was left on a island for years that the museum out in Pearl Harbor has and there's another kind of insubstantial wreck so there's no real cates hates really complete or let alone flying through So and that's kind of the problem. The production company ran into filming the movie. was they determined that at that point. Join the late sixties. There are actually still plenty of these. Japanese aircraft derelict on some of these islands. which hindsight being what it is? I kind of wish. They'd used originally aircraft back then because they would have ended up saving but they determined that it would take five of those wrecks to build one flying airplane back then. It was cost prohibitive to go to get that. So what they did for the the Kate All of them is like you mentioned. They took t sixes they took volt bt thirteen The vibrator the the basic trainer and made them look actually very similar to the original aircraft so for the Zeros. It's essentially a t six with awesome modifications. It's the least modified aircraft out of all of them. They are large cowling. Fake cowl flaps did a bunch of reprofiling with fiberglass ferrings. Raise a canopy some stuff. I like that but This substantial when was the replicas of the Nakajima B five in Cape so they ended up with a product that profile Wa- it's a smaller aircraft original but profile wise. It's probably the most spot on of the three aircraft they converted but to do so. It was a very kind of Labor Brenton's of process they took a t six well really tick experimental Harvard Mark Force because they were the cheapest ones to acquire at the time. Because they're they're the category that they were in in an elongated. The few five feet two feet up in the nose did all sorts of reprofile aircraft. So I'm lucky enough to get to fly one of those torpedo bombers and it's a we do about fifteen airshows year all over the country and it's It's fun I remember seeing it in about two thousand and it was at the end of season. CAF show. And I think it was right after they moved to midland are fairly soon after the move middle from Arlington and just being absolutely blown away at just there's smoke in chaos and explosions and airplanes everywhere. And then you know over the years when you watch carefully you start to see the little bit of the choreography that goes into it But I know that doesn't even scratches her face. Can you talk just a little bit about. What's what's a typical briefing? What what are you actually really doing doing the show? You know you're not just everybody. Hey everybody take off. Turn your smoke on and dive at the runway. We know that's not the case. No it is not in. It's like anything in the Warburg Movement. These days you know. Safety is our number one priority. That's why we There is a very regimented. Minute training program to To become a tour pilot first of all the grew past ask you. That's probably the hardest part of anything Because we do only have lived a little bit more pilots for these aircraft But we require because of the choreography that The candidate flies or rides a minimum of ten times in a pirate technic. Show from the backseat observing and then they can graduate to the front seat with somebody observing them for let's say five shows and then they get to sign off that they're going to go so Briefings are always It's a very standard briefing. We have everything written out that we literally go bullet point by bullet point point reading what we what we need to do. the mainly main thing that changed his Dated Asia's aircraft there because we have eleven air eleven aircraft in its show really with eight aircraft and then usually sometimes a p forty will go and as well but what it is. There's an own L. The tour you're going to give away secrets. People are gonNA think it's chaos but really it's it's a the three different Eric. Three different patterns. There's three patterns. Here's zero pattern in. Which essentially is the the pattern? Everybody plays off of So it is a diet as ascending and descending racetrack pattern that's furthest away from the For this way from them the audience then About two hundred fifty feet inboard of that. Is Kate Pattern which we fly a big dog bone around downed Zeros. And then there's usually down the runway if that's where the show line is two hundred fifty closer to the audience. The closest one is usually one fighter and either are replica. Piece sixty-three Z.. Three P. Three talk or The P forty and it's the fighter pattern that flies a bigger dog bone from the audience. Perspective you have airplanes left and right right and left you know bombs going off all this stuff and it looks like chaos but the one of the best places to watch actually is when we do Oshkosh and over the bachelor or something on that into the field and you can look and see. Write down each one of the patterns so you know. There's both Vertical and horizontal separation. Everyone has highs and lows altitudes and the biggest thing saying the one cardinal rule of it is we have if anybody in the group calls mayday everyone goes to their highest altitude and that way the guy that has the issue will never never be higher than that and it doesn't have to worry about anyone come down so it's we have after almost fifty years they've really developed some amazing you know safety mechanisms and and we harp on it day in and day out. Wow the I have to ask whatever it. Is it a little D. Get a little sentimental or do you get the a feeling that you're strapping on something special you walk out to the case so so yes you do it so much that it's You almost become kind of Jaded and don't and it really expect to you if you don't fly show and you get to watch it because our our announcers are amazing are pyrotechnics teams. Second on and between all that getting to watch it nothing in the cockpit hearing all the the gunfire that narration stuff you. It's one of those that gives you goosebumps But yeah it is very special to strap opt out on in. It's it is safe and regiment but is still the most fun you can have your. It's essentially at sixes having fun fund blowing up. The I mean it's it's an amazing experience but I think the in warbirds the coolest experience I've had has actually been so I'm also Bless able fly the AFC forty and that my Ray Kinney and my Dad Gordon and their mentor and one of my Mentors really good friends Ali Crawford. He recently passed away Have all flown that aircraft when I strapped that one on it's Kinda like I've sat. That were everybody that played a part in who I am today sad. It's just an amazing airplane. Say That about every single. It's like an eighty amazing like my my wife. Cj who another great thing about Torah is since they are training aircraft all of them have a backseat so so all the wives cigna others. Everyone comes so it is a big family that we have for you know forty usually. There's about a dozen of them. PYRO members editor there. So wherever you go it's not like I just take the cobre somewhere I mean I know people and I have to go. You know. Meet with their family there. Yeah so she. She comes CJ comes through these airshows with me and she every time. I've been lucky enough to check out a new aircraft. She goes off cool. Will you know. Are you happy you know. Of course I'm happy is like okay. Well you know now you don't have to go. You know sponsor another one or I was like no no no every time you do something in aviation. There's always something else you WanNa do. So if you gave me your plan is the next one you get your private commercial. You want your instrument. You want all this stuff you fly this. You fly that I mean it's Your wife went to the same school. My wife Yeah I gotta Say I'm I was blessed because she a passion for aviation which I'm sure we all share is no like no other passion passions is one thing this is almost like eccentric new. You know but it's I'm very very blessed to have supportive family and friends that it's neat with more and more of That generation Passing away more and more people. We're going to you know there's great things about it but going to glass panel aircraft Gwen to You know modern aircraft the fundamentals at started everything the the fly by Cedar Pants. Tail aircraft radios. All this stuff It's to some extent becoming a little bit of a lost art. So it's very imperative imperative and myself a lot of my friends included in the in the AF and other organizations recognized that it's incumbent upon us to ensure that other people have the opportunity to fly. The aircraft. Other people can do this because without more pilots and more mechanics and maintainers and operators these things Kinda just going to sit derelict. And and you're not gonna be able to hear see smell and experience what it is to have a you know a p thirty eight lightning fly by or something epic like that because so you guys know nothing. Nothing does justice like a radio coming by or something you know you can't you can't live with that in a book. Yeah so we are very the try to share aviation with anyone I can. That's fantastic. You've mentioned a couple of times. It was had a thought you talked early in the episode about You mentioned grandfather flying on b twenty four's in the Pacific. Have you ever thought about what that conversation would be if you could go back in time to him him at that era here you are. You're in the Pacific You know fighting the life and death for the the future of the free world against it's the Japanese and then if you could tell them you know seventy five eighty years from now I'm going to be pretending to be Japanese for for entertainment AMO purposes and I and I I mean this is a very positive way because like hey you know grandpa spoiler alert. We win the war and not only. Do We win you. You know we. We evolved to a point where we're able to recreate this stuff to to teach people this history and keep alive. What do you think you might have might have said to that I Probably say you're crazy. You're not if you're a future man. Yeah exactly so we are. We are very very. I've had people to say. Hey you know you guys playing the enemy or you know all Elissa but the thing. That is the message of Torah. Specially Ashley is staying vigilant. I mean we've seen it nine eleven. We've seen it in other areas that as long as as long as we support our military in the men and women that better in it. We we'll always be prepared and never never let your guard down. I think if he if I told my grandfather that that series we're flying these he would be a hundred sent on board but you know he'd be more okay with that than me. You know coming home with some Japanese manufacturer call. Yeah exactly exactly. That's gotta come over over time. Yeah but you just think that whole that whole generation. I don't think they would have thought that what they were doing. At the time it was it was their duty. I mean everyone of that generation to said. Hey you know if I was a farmer I just sat down my plow. I went did my job. I lost friends. That did the same thing. But I was lucky. Enough by the grace of God to come back and pick up my plow. So it's just kind of duty I don't. It's very rare that you see one of the one of those veterans would say. Oh Yeah I was a hero in you. Need to honor this. I think they that had I told him that. He said it's the right message. And you know thank you. It's not necessary but thank you sure. Well few years ago we had the pleasure of being in parts of the of the ground show in different areas for the Torre. Did you Bravo. Well how it got to be running a radio show. I was transporting Pearl. Oh harbor vets from theater in the woods real actually had Pearl Harbor vets In a vehicle on a tram when the tour act actually flew over and started. And I gotTa tell you those you guys were totally stoked to go. Watch the show. We want to go see the torek kickoff and It's it's I've always thought you know what. What was it? Like in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven to sixty nine when they're filming this at at Pearl Harbor and somebody made the announcement that hey they're filming and somebody walks out on their porch and sees this not again is it. Yeah Yeah exactly how did you. How did you feel beyond stage in the start? Heard of that so that was that was interesting. We're talking about Would Have Been What Twenty sixteen seventy fifth anniversary from Pearl Harbor and so we we We had some programming on the On Our Central Plaza. They are plaza and we had set it up as if it were We sort of said that evening was Was Saturday night. December December. Sixth nineteen forty one was just that was that was our our gag so we had this whole library though show we had the big band on stage. I was a master of ceremonies for that. And then and we had We had a troupe of actors who were doing radio programming and down to reading actual headlines from the evening of December six. Th You know this is the latest on what's going on here and what's going on there and things like that and then as that particular show wound down when we transition from the plaza programming to starting the the evening air show we sort of flip the switch switch and said now. It's Sunday morning so instead of being Saturday nights still now at Sunday morning and so they had me go from being the master of ceremonies here to being sort of your your guy on the radio. Just playing some Hawaiian music and chatting and then mentioning things like we've gotten reports of a lot of airplanes In the area must be our navy boys up You know getting their practice in game wave when you see him and things like this and you know the thing that I remember. was you know working with a tour group quite a bit to change a little bit. How you guys normally work it out? Collect having you come in from behind the crowd coming in from the West Not Having the initial narration which is a wonderful things I know that's yes. That's a crucial part of the show. But for us we wanted to create the setting and actually started as surprise so having them come out of the West out of the setting sun you know filling in for the rising sun but it being the evening show With the funniest thing for me is so. I'm just supposed to be up there playing radio. Dj playing music like doing a little bit of pattern things like this and then of course I know this is happening and still when when I'm up there talking and then I look over my shoulder and then I start. Let's see these silhouettes coming out of the sun you know and knowing that all hell is about to break loose with pyro and everything else. I got a lump in my throat. I got goosebumps goosebumps now just thinking about it and it was just a you know and I I had some tiny little part of it but it was just seeing it as a surprise and then being able to watch the crowd as with no announcement. Nothing else there was. There was one big. pyro blast on the runway. And that's when my broadcast was cut off so that's what I hear Roic died You know doing my duty as a radio. DJ HR apparently The blast goes off and people in the crowd yell and they start moving toward the flight line and then the airplanes come in behind him and there was a mad rush to the flight. Line like I've I've never seen during an airshow at Oshkosh and we were. We were really happy. Ah with how that all worked out to be able to say. Let's do this one just a little bit differently. Let's try to bring the element of surprise sort of into people's lives and it was it was a big spectacle and of course is bigger than entertainment. I think more than that gave people a little bit more of that visceral sense of everybody's relaxed and happy we're in Hawaii. It's a beautiful Sunday morning morning and then the world drastically horribly changes wherever it is. I mean it's the reason like I touched on earlier. The The Commemorative Limited Air Force among other operators. It's this is the only way we can get. Those people had experiences by operating these aircraft. Had IT ashes and they're all there are two times really in every it's such a it's it's you know we're all volunteers. You know we all making money off this. In fact we spend a lot of money on the aircraft keeping flying and take time to go Dili's airshows and on staff but it is a professional or it's a professional act as a professional organization. So a Lotta Times. It's the excitement a little loss because we're all just in the zone. Here's our job. Let's go do it. Be Safe off Dr Two points in a show where every single show it could be a tiny little little tiny show somewhere or could be Oshkosh. which is when I get goosebumps in? Its when we all get on. We all line up Usually takeoff elements. There's two of US taken off together. All their kind of Cox so we can see in front and the case are usually the tail end of the group. I'm looking down. You know ten eleven twelve these Tora aircraft and say Oh this is cool like that's one of the things like this is cool. Let's go do this and then the second time that always gets me is coming back and we're very conscious of when we land and we always try to attack in front of the crowd crowd and waving at the crowd and then afterwards go out and talk to the crowd. That's the cool part. Because he sees little. You don't know if this little cat you're talking to. You is going to be the person that's the first person on Mars ars or the first person that tests out you know. Hopefully they're not like the next person that tests experimental parachutes or something like that for their own safety but they may do something in aviation like take. That's there you may have just changed. Someone's life and that's Kinda what makes all the time spent you know getting fifty six six oliver myself changing Jonah hydraulic cylinder and it makes it makes it worth it and just seeing the excitement on people's faces these airshows especially oshkosh makes it one hundred percents worth it. Well not only that the inspirational racial peace. But you've also taken you know as a simple sentence in a history book. The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. And you've taken something like that you've made it feel very visceral. I'm very real and and hopefully you know some of those same kids in the audience they're going to get out there smartphones and they're going to Google Pearl Harbor and try to understand stand what happened. And what led World War Two and as you said Very pointedly before. How do we make sure that sort of thing never happens again when you and you also touched on it? Initially that that to me is well. The two coolest aviation or military aviation movies are Tortora Ambala Britain because we didn't have CGI. I didn't like The new Pearl Harbor movie where everything CGI and every maneuver they did would rip the wings off ten times. You know So it it it. It is one hundred percent I wish we I wish you know it'd be nice if Hollywood do one of these but it is with the live action aircraft but it is is also cost per because you look back at how much they spent converting all these aircraft you know the cates cost almost twenty five thousand dollars a piece in nineteen sixty seven to convert so go by a hundred fifty thousand dollar six and do that. Today you know would be probably spend more than the budget of Torah back so but it is I feel very blessed us to be able to do. And it's just such a wonderful experience. Well speaking of wonderful experiences this is. This is definitely been when I see. We've definitely gone Gone a little bit long but Taylor thank you so much coming out to Coming Onto Oshkosh bringing your your dad and and entourage with you to come out Not only lead to do this episode but to join us for presenting the film again as we're recording this it's airing We're screening tonight. This episode we'll go out God after that fact packed But we really appreciate your time to come come and join us. Thank you again Taylor for joining us Thanks as always everybody take some time to give us some feedback which you can. What do we can leave us a review on itunes or any other major pod casting platforms Those reviews I say it every time. I mean. That's why we're able to continue doing. This is because of that that feedback we get. You can also comment on the episodes as they go live on our blog at inspired ITA dot org you can email us feedback dot org any number. 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"You're listening to technically two hundred a podcast, featuring black and Latte next women doing credible work in stem. If you can't see it, you can't be A. it's a common phrase used to describe for lack of exposure to certain fields and professionals can be a limiting factor in a person's life. This is something I've witnessed myself and I'm sure many of you have as well think of the current job that you're in now. Think of how early on in my you may have heard of this role, even existing whether you're a teacher, operations, manager, software, engineer or any. Any other role, the likelihood that you became familiar with this career at an early age is pretty high. There's also a good chance that you've seen someone who looked just like you. In this role. When you look at technical field commonly referred to as science, technology, engineering, and mathematics or stem, you'll see a dearth of black and Latte next professionals, typically in the single digits, depending on the industry there a variety of factors that lead to these low numbers, and this is something that we're addressing Co. Two College, a nonprofit that I co founded a few years ago. One of those factors is the lack of access and visibility that you'd have those black and Latte next professionals. This is particularly true about black and Latte next women in stem, technically two hundred is all about shining a light on those black and Latte. Next women who are doing incredible work in stem fields with their engineers, pilots or software developers. You'll be hearing about the challenges. They've overcome the. The successes they've achieved what keeps them going and how? We can all inspired by their great work. My name is Matt. Stevenson and I can't wait for you to tune into technically two hundred a podcast about black and Latino women in stem new episodes drop every Thursday find us online at Twitter Instagram, and technically two hundred dot com subscribe on. Apple Itunes spotify or wherever you get your podcast.

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Living while Black

ACLU Civil Liberties Minute

01:29 min | 1 year ago

Living while Black

"The thirteenth amendment ratified in eighteen sixty five that abolished slavery and involuntary servitude has one enormous exception. I'm bill newman and this is the civil liberties minute. The exception is and i quote the amendment except as punishment for crime and today the united states which has four percent of the world's population has twenty two percent of all the world's prisoners as bryan stevenson founder of the equal justice initiative and author of just mercy writes in his contribution solution to the sixteen nineteen project quote central to understanding the practice of mass incarceration and excessive punishment is the legacy of slavery. After after the civil war southern states passed the black codes a series of laws that locked up in subjugated former slaves again quoting stevenson nixon's war on drugs mandatory tori minimum sentences three strikes laws children tried as adults broken window policing these policies were not as expressly racialist as the black codes but their implementation has been essentially the same stevenson points out that there is new language that has replaced the black codes driving while black sitting in a coffee shop while black in a word award living while black and in the same vein he writes quote it has been black people and brown people who are disproportionately targeted stopped suspected incarcerated and shot by the police. The civil liberties minute is made possible by the a._c._l._u. because freedom can't protect itself.

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Stevenson vs Russell: Gary Russell Ain't No Punk; I Don't Think He's Ducking Me

Tha Boxing Voice

3:05:12 hr | 7 months ago

Stevenson vs Russell: Gary Russell Ain't No Punk; I Don't Think He's Ducking Me

"Intended for mature audiences the views and opinions expressed are those of the panelists and do not reflect in any way. Those are the podcast partners. Sponsors or affiliates enjoy this is Michael Buffer and you're listening to the voice of the people. Let's get ready for boxing. This adult words Dot Com refund with action painting. You still have the wives in foot of Vitamin Watch me hospital. I feel like especially effects. Dot Com. Mesa. You're fighting on the prompt. Okay Record Away. It from the table entertaining. Migraine PERTH CARP The Welcome Back Ladies and gentlemen of the budget voice radio. Im your host Nesta gives joined alongside Alex Doomsday Lion as and Rica casual fan church and Mario mom gear from Corpus Christi Texas. We're GONNA be talking some boxing a lot of biking to talk about Chicago Stevenson News. And we're going to talk a unification possible unification with he and Gary Junior since it's looking like Josh warrants and has other plans or looking in another direction He gave us some interesting quotes. Plus we got a few interesting guests this morning looks like we'll have IBM champion in one hundred and thirty pound division Djamil herring nine thirty. Then at ten o'clock we'll have up and coming contender one hundred and thirty pounds division Lamont Roach Junior and then we'll have up and coming contender in the women's hundred and thirty pound division. At least you bumgarner and if you stick around with US till tonight we're going to have Robert Garcia at seven thirty P. M. Eastern and we'll avner Mars at eight P M Eastern man. What a jam packed day for all you guys with this lazy Friday due to the code did nine hundred nineteen but let me head on out to my co host. Get this thing started. Remember the number to call in absolutely free from anywhere in the world. 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I am one of those lazy Friday. Only dudes on lockdown and the Tri State area of the New York New Jersey Connecticut part of the United States of America. But I'm here tuned in and you should be doing the same and enjoy this new episode. Would up though. What UP DOE? I mean we're here to talk of course Stevenson. He's talking a saying Gary Russell Ain't no pump. I don't think he's ducking me. And the only reason we even talk Chicago. Stevenson is because not cove in nineteen but matchroom. Boxing in Josh Warrington have decided they really don't want the Chicago Stevenson. Fight Right now. They're talking possibility of other fights so I mean the match up to be made. Is Gary Russell? He's the longest reigning champion at one. Hundred and twenty six pounds and you have obviously Chicago Stevens. Wbo Champion at one hundred twenty six pounds. That is the unification to make. The call was to beat Gary Russell he would get more clout than Josh Warrington. I wouldn't know if you receive more popularity because Raritan is international. I don't know how many people in America no one but he's known in the UK. And I'm assuming some hardcore fans norm here in the US. But I would say he would get the higher nod for beating the more recognized champion and a guy that is considered avoided at one twenty six in Gary Russell Gary Russell. I was thinking Not Too much popularity in the world but definitely popularity in the boxing community. If she calls Stevenson was to win. But now are we taking? She'll call Stevenson. Is Dat good that he can actually put on Gary Russell? 'cause there's not not one thing he cannot do. Every Russell is demand now he's a long ranging champ. You know long reigning champion He Stevenson gives them his due respect You know came up under him He's box plenty of times with his brother out. They bend at a gym. You know they've gone back and forth kidding around about facing each other. I mean look you know the score on a thing pushed a lot of things back Damore IAGO fight got pushed back out of in his first title. Defense and You know maybe the Josh warranting thing right next stop would have happened but you know with all this going on weight. Real Quick Nest. They Kinda neighbors right Gary Rusu and Toco Stevenson not too far. Drive away so yeah. What is that relationship for? I don't know why they never sparked but he sparred fewer. His brother's Shukor did should cost bought a few guarantees brothers. Yeah let me get to the quote though just to spice and things and I quote Gary. No punks Davis has said he ain't one of them fighters that'll duct people. Gary No me a lot. We didn't come up together but I came up under him but I've been in his Jim of sport his brothers all the time me and him have been in the same. Jim Right after my world title fight me him was going back and forth playing around with each other talking about me and him fighting each other. I think he's got a lot of respect for me and I've got a lot of respect for him but if that fight if that's the fight the fans want I think we'll do it. I'll find anybody. I'll say that good as fight. Applaud fight if it would have happened. I liked home fight. I'd rather would want to see him. Go across the pond man. Get that stock about their in England I think it's a very dangerous fight. I of course Stevenson Even though he's going to fight anybody A. I think that. I think that you know that that would be a fight. Maybe a little too soon for him in my opinion yes I was going to ask nest that you don't think that might be a little too soon for him. I mean he's got James Prince. He's got Andre Ward and Terence Crawford Timothy Bradley. Now Crawford and Bradley are not legally on his team like on paper but you know. He gives advice from them. Andre imprint. Soy and you know look Andrei didn't really want to rush into the world title shot right and she calls the wanted wanted it and thought he could do it and he proved that to his team by doing it in a fashion that he did. So has Andre Awards. Opinion of Chicago Changed Embar opinion. I don't mean. Does he think he's good or not? I mean does he think he's ready for the top of the division right now and as yet to be no. But I'll say this I mean there's nothing wrong in losing unification fight and at at swell fights thirteen five. He was trying to be unified under fourteen. If he's still WANNA do that. Beat the first person a unified under fourteen or thirteen fights within. Gabby Russ was the only person who's going to be willing to lock that down on paper plus. He's not tied to anyone so he could really get it done nothing wrong. And losing a unification fight. I mean. Yeah that's a man. In Reno virtual what what what. What the Danny lose when he unified with Thurman Right like you people people start saying the wrong thing and the public they start saying the wrong thing on your name ignorant. Boxing fans are always gonNA exist. May I know and should as effective to fight of? You asked me They respond to that. I think especially a young guy a young Chicago Stevens. Unifying and losing ain't good but let's set unifying winning. Oh my God exactly especially at that Fi but you gotta dare to be great. You've got to be willing to risk. That'd be great He's there and be great verbally right. Now he's saying the right thing I don't see him. That's a good fight. That's one of those fights that actually need to marinate and Bob Arum's words because That has to be known who they both are across the world to make that shit bigger than what it is. I mean not being what it is to just prove how big is and we all should be watching that. I mean I'll be honest with you. You know now thinking about a little bit more Gary Russell's always very inactive averages about a fight a year men and through my man Mexico he's been active Very active I mean super active young. That's because he's still young that's the that's the yearbook activity doesn't make up the experience. That Russell has right after you use side. I mean experience experience in the pros. Yeah maybe but I mean of course Stevenson. He ain't no stranger to the light. You know the Olympic stages is huge. I'm going into more now. A the fact that he's been actively performance so good. He's young he's strong AMAC. Gary Russell got the experience But you know how it is man when you're inactive I. I don't know what he does off the clock but That's something that's already making me. Lean towards Stephen. I will start out argument with Gary being a little bit too much but now I'm starting to look at it a little different now. Looking at other details Chicago is definitely more active. He's hungry he's been ready I don't know if a Guy Roux stronger fighter. Either you know. He's fairly small I think Steven probably be a little reindeer than him too. So I'll know revert on that. I see a point Do me but I think You know the activity is just the entry level boxer in Chicago. Stephen saying he is skillful. I think the experience plays a big role. You know. You see fighters Gary Russell's level where they don't fight five times. There's a reason for that is to preserve so you're actually much more dangerous being Less active than somebody who fights five times a year you know. He's a one time of year versus five times. I mean should cause young nasty reason why he's in there and Bob Arum is just keeps putting out in front of them light so that we will. Both the bottom is the opposition. I don't know like I'm a casual fan. I know should cause a marquee name in my eyes right now but his opponents like oh who really are that we could say like Oh shit. We compare them to Gary Russell. Jr. nobody saying it'll be a step up in Maine like The biggest name on his resume is You know the two guys that got him to the world title shot. Which are Joe at Gonzala? Zan Be two full. You know Russell he's face guys like Oscar Scott Long. You Know Vescio Loma Chango and I'm not on boxer like Russell. Listen we knock them for not being active but He's a dangerous fight you know. He's not a slouch. He's a workaholic. He's You know conscious so he stays. You know super healthy so You Know I. It's not it's not a joke. This is a fight that must be taken seriously if You know Chicago Stevenson really does it. And what's what's Opinion guys I mean. I'm talking about Josh Warrenton. Now like it is Josh warrants an artifact or Gary Serious I just Wanna I just want you know what look I'm biased? I'm biased the UK guys might say that warrants in style all the punches could fluster. Maybe Chicago but I'm going to say that you know Gary is just on another level in terms of skill like you gotta think. And he's and he's been raining in the division. He's he's the he's the man to be. He's Laura at fifty four back in the day that's Gary like he's the man in that division. You WanNa get a name or be known as the number one. You've got to go through Gary Right. That's why I was like damn. If he beats him in a unification should that might do good for his name Chicago Stevenson and his career but he might go reckless. Because that's a party that to celebrate that does not end as far as Josh. Warrenton me again casual physicality I don't know who he is. So this is a gram go to his instagram. Check them you know. People need to use the instagram ads. The fighters bile. Just just go to it you know. See a few pictures. See what you think because again. You're a casual fan. What do pictures tell you when you're thinking of Chicago and then you see this guy. Josh Warrington who obviously sells out leads. He's become an attraction he he built his name up enough. You know he's got a good win over kid Galahad I mean maybe it could be argued that kid Galahad win I mean Warrenton's win over Galahad an what Frampton frampton unanimous to see. You know I mean look disguise. No joke either but I just feel Gary is the is the harder. Fight the better. You know the better fighter in in that division but listen. Warrenton is proven as well especially with. I think he'd be quick to I got I'm not using I'm trying to you know still some scheduling background and all that stuff you know. He Ain't had no fight with quick. Okay Josh Warrington thank you might hitting four. Salvi to a big fight see. No listen those are those are those are three different style. He'd be Kiko to. Oh no see. He got experience on them. He got expelled. Listen Kiko was a common opponent with Gary. I think Gary Folk Go Montana's to plan Josh. Warrenton off his. He looks tough. He looks straight up fighter. There's no nothing that says that doesn't say I'm not a fighting our bus. Yo Ass. He looks dangerous to me. I'm not I haven't seen any tape. When I'm just talking about pitches and his workout and you know his stance And holding the titles his bolsters. Bosa rants both juris body language but I think the more popularity is the question. What do you gain out of him? You know fight both is dangerous. Both are dangerous. I think if he goes to the UK he will be come famous out there much more well known and respected. That's my sentiments inside the United States Gary Russell also is a big win for him to be celebrated so they're both big fights again. I don't know Josh Warrington like that. Just this is based off of his and his instagram. I'm going across the pond with definitely like I said. In my opinion a better career move For Chak or just again that those fans out there you know. I'm pretty sure he has fans out there already. But you know The UK fans of real loyal man. Once you go out there and they get a feel for you. I mean they're always going to stick behind their guy. You already know how it is out there. They they definitely stand behind their guy but much suspected of fighters to go out there across the pond and put on a show. Now if he were to do that I think that it would position him for even better fight. You know. That's you speaking Bob. Father Bob Arum. If you ask those would be your words. Let me jump in here. Let me jump in here. Because I'm still gonNA give Gary Russell based off experience and resume. He still the way tougher fight. He's still the weights. I can't believe he's number two in the world who they got a number one in the world. Let me see. Oh my God they got Josh. And that's why you know why they got Josh. Because it's it's box wreck. They go off points. Plus joshes got more fights because he's active. You know Gary Fides once a year but I mean Gary resume looks fantastic. Now right you've got the only blemishes basile Chanko. You know you got Christopher Martin you got Johnny Gonzalez who not ABN Amores for his belt. You knocked out Johnny Gonzales for Abner Mars. Bill you got. This is a sea level fighter. It's a name DOPE. Hyland you got former champion Oscars Kulgam again. You knock them down and out. You Got Joseph Di as Olympia an up and coming contender at the Tom. You went the decision now. He seven forming a world champion. So that wind looks way more luxuriance former champion Kiko Martinez. He knocked amount. This guy up and coming you know king tug number you are. Everybody thought. He was the goods and Gary really put a cleaning on them. One eighteen one sixteen on most people scorecards. And you know when you compare that to Ray Aaronson who also got pulled up and I'm screen sharing if you're following along with us right here. Patriot dot com forward slash box voice. He's also got some good news. I liked the selby remember. This selby wind looks better for him because Selby was able to beat our very own Omar Douglas of Delaware. That's with Haymond. He's also got the same win. The GARY HAS WE KIKO MARTINEZ. But Gary knocked him out in five. Selby who considered light punch? It went twelve. He's also got the same win Gary Russell as we Patrick Island but Gary obviously did it quicker with highland into Russell raring who's considered Warrington's considered the less of a puncher to nine. I gave warrants and credit for Joel Bruckner. I followed him. We've interviewed Omar Bunches and Australian kid. He was undefeated at the time. I had one loss at the time when Raritan took on that challenge but he also went the decision. So is Chicago's row safer weren't at Warrenton absolutely absolutely but I still think he's GonNa get more clout on. Espn as this kid. Who took out the solidified number one? This is a box right number one in in Josh warrants and he's not universally number one also also another thing that I noticed. 'cause I did pull up box rack. Is that Warrenton? Only has seven Cao's out of his thirty fights which means he does not a hard hitter so it is a safe route and also another thing against Warrington financial cost Stevenson. If he would have come over here in the US or Chicago they gotta take it really serious. Warrenton only fought United Kingdom fighters. He never fought American fighters. So I think a lot. Before outside of America he never known Nasha. Cau- WARRENTON has never fought in America or outside of the UK in America or American. You know what I mean like. I'm looking at OPD. Maybe his resumes all because Kiko Martinez Martinez is from Spain and highlanders from Ireland and have been in the in Manchester somewhere like that so a little bit of a draw man. He's a little bit of a draw. Big Draw so yeah Alley Doomsday's right talking like the Bob for the years go to the UK and fight out. There should call has to go out there. I think he has should call has he hasn't fought ESPN fighters fight. It's been on. Espn CHICAGO OUT. The clean up. Y'All this thing but this is the thing it's not like Warrenton is ready. Warrenton DROPPED HIS PROMOTER. Frank Warren and signed to match them. So it's not like he's making anything easier you know listen and Stevenson. Hasn't fought since like last year October or something like that so you know. He's got to get a fight in before he gets. You know rusty even though I know he's in the gym he's working. He had his money. I got Faisal. You know he was ready. But you know camp on camp off. How is that GonNa Affect and just keep looking at these attributes men of course of course four inches taller than we reached on the on on on on the hands You know a lot of times. You know we talk about you. Know what be power beats this and speed beats that and I think that's a very good at time in men and I think that he would be able to. Kinda notify Gary speed though. He's a range of your fighter too. I'm just starting to lean more and more if this fight worth to happen which you know. They wouldn't want to rush into each other to fight they had other opponents. But if it does fight you've made a good point you knock out the offers thrown. Udub ause you warrenton Stevenson Stevenson. Gary Man. I'll take us but that's the much more dangerous fighter you know Gary Russell Jr. versus should cost Stevenson according according to resume. Maybe but I'm looking at this. You know stylistically and I'm starting to lean more and more choice core man he's good at time in range and You know Gary being the the you know the the smaller fighter You know speed works. Well when you're able to get in and and and and and and we're combinations but I think if she keeps them at the end of those punch is going to be very very difficult for Gary to win I don't know man I can't even say anything like that just like you know. That's like a wildfire in an amine night. Definitely got the wild factor. But I'm just looking at it. You know sometimes we go. We go along with the resume or the box. Rake and but it's not always doesn't always come to those terms you know you just gotTa look at fight sometimes attributes and And definitely You know other other factors besides just the paperwork because styles make fights always man you know you know what one of the things is to like for me. The fights in its Momma Momma come every oh now so many windows open. I don't even I don't even know when you're not covered up but Yeah you should just text me man so you could always get you and I was like well. I'm already here I am I my business. I do my best funny to me Mattio. What a what a what up? You know it's funny because like if you look at these two guys right unlike the activity and who they're calling out like should cores ready like I'm not saying he's ready. He has peaked or he's at his best. He's going to continue to get better. What I'm saying is like in his mind he would fight anybody. I believe him when he says that. And then you look at a guy like you're a russell why believe is no punk and I believe is tough and I believe would you know isn't scared to fight anybody but hasn't you know what I'm saying like I mean he's fought some tough guys. Don't get me wrong. But his career went in this project. -Tory where he was the star. Hbo Fighting Eight Round Fights Euro to mean to. How many years later did we see him until he finally stepped up and that's been the one criticism about him so these two guys to meet like sooner than they should Yo. I couldn't even imagine the storylines they're like. I can't even imagine what that fight would be like to have a kid who and he a kid to core growing and stepping up this big to a guy and Russell who you know I'm not gonNA say took his time but they definitely handled him with some kid goes and a lot of it was injury. You can't fault them for that but at the same time you know it is what it is. Way Mario but sooner than they should from promoters point of view right because I think a fight is a fight and I think that Gary Gary Russell does have his Kale attribute as Alexandra me said it you know what I mean. No definitely listen from promoter standpoint and even from Michiko standpoint. I like she core. I don't WanNa see him get rushed He's one of my favorite young fighters right now. you know. I think that he's probably the most talented other than Evan. Haney I think You know those two guys right now or just above Ryan Garcia in terms of pure skill And maybe not just above they might be at level or level half a notch and a half above but The thing is is that you know you look at this fight. Of course I would want to see it. And of course I'd be dynasty it. I just don't think that Chicago in a position where he's capitalizing off of his bestself in his investment like I think the percentages would be way off first of all for the type of fight that it should be what percentages in terms of would of course the B. side in that fight. Nope no right. That's what I'm saying like I feel like he'd be the a side that's why I don't even think it would come together because I don't care here but I don't think it's a big deal for for we've interview Gary Enough. I don't think that it's a big deal that he's not Eisai. He's going to be happy. That shorty shorty got in the ring with me. I think he gets the bigger cut of the PADO. Who Gary. Yeah I don't know Mash because the one that goes packet but he's gotta listen if you're the eastside you get the bigger cut. That's just planning. That's not a hundred percent true. It's not a hundred percent true. You're right they're definitely some things in you know the They're they're definitely examples where that's happened. It hasn't happened but you know if you're the aside you demand that's what this boils down to. And you know as much as Gary. Russell isn't a diva any isn't and as hard as a workers is. I. I don't think he's a punk like I don't think he's avoiding anybody. In fact I think he beats a lot of the guys that everybody said he avoided But I still think at the end of the day that this would be a really difficult fight to make for a multitude of reasons. Promotional side from Sandy is a free agent Mary take next year. Gary Gary Gary Free Agent. He's just got a working relationship with album. He's alive again what he wants. He's entertained conversations already with With I mean excuse me with Eddie. Let me see if I don't I don't think the conversation is Gary is a punk or Chicago punk. I think is it like. Is it too soon for sure? 'cause Stevenson and also it's a huge fight but does Chicago Stevenson win based off of his resume. Or you know who he owes on guys. I didn't even see herring. I mean he he's he he knows so much even press one so I'm looking at. I'm looking for him at the bottom and he's at the top where you belong champ. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for taking the time early in the morning news. Talk a little bit of boxing with us. I B F Champion hundred and thirty pounds division. Jamal herring. How are you brother? How are you we better? They'll be oedema man digital domain Georgia. Got THAT'S RIGHT. That's right that's right. Wbo Poly Technologies. So before we go. I seen you therefore So I don't know how long were this? I guess we'll just talk topic. Man One of your I i. I guess top-ranked stablemates and Gary Russell. We're talking Chicago. Stevenson versus Gary Russell Possible Unification Match. Since it's looking Josh. Warrington really doesn't want the war What do you think of Chicago Versus Russell? And is he ready? I think it's progress part. Maybe the toughest fight of course at at twenty one twenty six tonnes of champions but I also I can't say that but I can't say that that that just won't turn was on you know didn't really want it because You know she got scarlet. Who put the have a fight over race schedule? You know what before? This whole corona virus miss had came about. I look at it as you know. Warned you stay busy. You know what I'm saying. Obviously you know the leverage of years going to issue core but like that whole division interesting but definitely a tough fight. You Know Gary Russell there anybody in Beijing but I don't think she called you know he's a fast learner. I mean look at the far an under twenty fights but I'll definitely a good match but I think he can hang definitely So you don't think the Warrenton didn't want it we're going to have. The Dow Event Shakoor on Chicago was taken this March five because warrants and didn't want to take the fight till may which would have left Chicago out of the ring. Maybe something like seventy nine months. He wanted it sooner. They wanted it later. Isn't that an indication that they didn't want it? When you you could probably you definitely probably thought I didn't 'cause I I remember that they were trying to get the The fight you know that the reason why you know score worth taking his fight in Moraga was because he didn't want to wait out to sometime. Whatever but there's a lot of back and forth and you know we all we all know how to game on When a fighter changes promotions you know from one to eight hundred now and it's like you know off her and wants to at least build off before you know taking those risks with other individuals. I I take it as you know Chicago on the other hand. Yeah it's kind of Like they want around him or we're trying to get past them but same time together as a as a As a compliment. Because if you were the easy work anymore everyone because it'd be jumping to get how you doing a journal I wanNA say. Thank you for joining us so early. isn't modern. We'll by the way huge fan appreciate and thank you for your services. Well I'm GONNA jump into the Carl Frampton fight You know I know it's tentatively scheduled for such a weird time because it's like far enough bright that it could theoretically happen at the same time with everything going. How do you get a proper training camp in? You know what I'm saying. What are the worries that you have? If the fight doesn't get cancelled and What are you doing to prepare in case it does go through? Oh I'm actually still you know a little bit works. Is You know I? I've never had an issue in terms of weight. And you know just staying in shape so you know like I I still go get out the cardio work and everything. Just in case because Like me I want be ahead of the curve and you know and you know like I know my opponents mart. We just probably just sitting back doing whatever but me Alad Stadium. You know some some some type of shape but I'm not really worried about it right now because like if I was going to evolve scheduled a fight What is it June thirteen? You know I'm a mom we usually. We usually back out of four eight training camp in reality. My training cat wouldn't start anyway until the third week of April. So you know right now just been you know just just sitting back and just let things play out but of course still doing my little workouts. But it's not like I need to send go full throttle anyway. You know either way to fight West scheduled for June thirteenth. Look you've had some incredible performances and you've been some top quality fighters To me though Carl. Frampton represents a little something different. I think that he has the potential. If this fight goes in your favor and he goes the way. The kind of exciting fights that you're capable of producing this could put you on a star level. You know we're talking international To you what is called Frampton represent as far as a test in the ring. And what does he mean for your resume and for your lineage? Arina of a whole whole Viewpoint on the fight to begin with And the reason why you know I had no hesitation even going over years that make the fight because cough ranting you know what he the three times champion in two way classes. Of course you know just this fight. The him would be him trying to make history in his own country. So of course all eyes will be on the fight but at the same time You know Karl cry from like 'cause I I I'm honest guy. I tell everybody out there like you know I'm a I'm a fan of call in you know I've been watching him for a while long before despite daughter you know but I believe I believe you'll say there's a lot of things that I i. Can you know that I can you know gain from from this performance wise from looking at his most recent wave looking rented in the last couple of years but overall? I know like you said with the victory here. It'll definitely you know. Take you to a on another another stage of my career which is like you know we all know like we all know my background like you know our already been at the bottom so it's like nothing like it's like the worst happening so that's and that's the reason why. I'll go over there to fight them. You know man because in reality or not. I'm not worried about it because you know. Most people didn't accept me and be hit to begin with Jamaica and Rega- Chirchir was going on on casual fan so we're going on right so going over to the UK and fighting and win and making vic coming back home victorious. Tell me how to fight a celebrate because we were talking about fire fighters celebrating after a huge victory. How do you celebrate the fight and staying? You know focused to maintain and sustain which you just gained how to fight a stay focused big victory you know planning as well. I don't even know how to even know how to really celebrate because even when I wanNA turtle last May against either you know I came back. The most projects wanted to just like you know. Relax chill and spend time with their families because I it was a long training camp and you know every one of the things like you know I knew I believe in myself so I know I was GonNa win the fight so I wasn't surprised with the outcome but for me I think I think like with a big victory buffet. You gotta just Stay stay level headed and grounded. Because you know the the point where I've seen it. I've seen him putting times. We even close to being the point. Where you start you know losing focus and and getting ahead of yourself. That's when you start to. That's when the own the real decline stars and there's like me after the fact that fight I want more so I keep that hunger as if you know. I'm still working towards something and so I don't believe really you know celebrating too hard or taking them already at the time when this was definitely more out there for me to gain. Jamaat's Alex box voice here First of all. Thank you for your service semper. Fi and WanNa congratulate you also taking that title from Ito. I really liked that. It was very very good. Great Performance and You know you've got you've had all your fights in the states Is there anything you're doing particularly? You're you're changing up being all you're going to be fighting call. Frampton in in UK. And what are your feelings about fighting out there and maintain the last two weeks We plan on. You know basically heading out there just You get acclimated with time And everything like that but other than that You know like I said we`re. We're we're mapping out our schedule like appointed earlier right now and you just just you know sitting down sitting down talking on the team just you know just just getting the mindset. We need to do but I in that you know I I look at it just it. Just another fight. I mean I. It's obviously a huge bike. Mark Korea but you know. I don't know I don't want. I don't overwhelm myself into digging in on so much into it but like if anything if people have been paying it to me and social media life most Ron. I'm excited like I look forward to going. You know what I mean like like. I'm not worried about the whole you know. Oh you get champion. Y You had to go like man. I'm over here because like you got plenty of before if they exposure but I I feel deeply in my heart that you know it's definitely You know what I'm saying wouldn't fight so it's not like you're taking too much of a risk. It's like you know I I believe in myself and I was like whatever I got here. You know what? I'm saying to make a huge fight. I'll go over here the BBC's fight. And I know I know you know based around how my team is built that. I'm fully confident. I'm going over there and getting the W and just so you know for for the casual fans for those that. Want to get to know you more How did you boxing career started? What was the passion that drove you into into the professionals? And how do you have an amateur background as well call started? I don't know axiom. Yeah yeah interns. Who Don't know box like really late in terms of on the amnestying like allow a lot of your top amateurs of go transit's into the pros. You know they started around the time. Like seven eight years old. You know. I started when I was like fifteen sixteen years old. I mean people only people laugh told the story but like my first laws are the answer came to You know fighting damage. It goes back in the New York Olympic Olympic the home Olympic golden girls whatever. Oh Wow Junior Olympics. Back in like would like fifteen sixteen years old. Yeah like I got four hundred thirty five pounds back then but Yeah May I transitioned now you know. Of course I made. I've made it up to the Olympic team into twelve. And but it wasn't until Dan when I look really taking it serious because I was still you know I was still in the military. I was still in the Marine Corps. Tom So both my Had to make a decision was going realistic. It out and so like when that time came around but Olympics. Just say you know I'm GonNa just go and take my chances on pro but you know I had a few ups and downs of course my pro career but you know I I just never gave going and I'm here today. Real quick before a pass back to Nassau is a two part question really. Okay so why names. Telam is just now. Y'All saying Jamal. Calm Harry Harry. Because that's what I call them anyway. so listen. I was on your twitter last night and I happen to see that you were watching a classic fight which I do all the time at night so it was really cool like it was like to see that. Like you're a boxing junkie. Like the rest of us you know. I hate when boxers come on the amount even watch sport. I don't watch fights all who's that like WHO's Cannella liquidity talking about but The thing is is that. Here's the thing one okay. I'm an acid like this one. What's some of the fights that you've been watching lately other than the one that you posted and to Do you ever turn down the volume and start compensating. C can get ready to for that part of your career. Because you're so well spoken. We both know at some point. You know they're gonNA have you behind the behind the tape. I mean I know you've done some stuff like that before but I mean I'm pretty sure that's where your crews headed at some point. Check out his Youtube Channel Man Dude Gemini Juma Noun School Appeal Bill. What's that November? December November? October are Tober October November time frame. Okay yeah all right my girls Scorpio I think that s or the other s right. It's to to a size but what's going on man Right now at the end of the first thing. like Guy Red Guy. But not that guy is both their souls are lost arrived today with the You know What what what. What are you know? Whatever fight lately just That that was actually a good bike. That's not actually a really good competitor. Fight you know what I mean. A Black Mama. He he has some memorable fights with some of the best out. There I looking at you know I was looking at also. Pricing won't Holyfield's career because a lot of people who really don't know Holyfield's career like Jose was actually underside heavyweight. You know that. That has a dog in him and we don't know you know what I'm saying. We all know he did in his latest stage of his career. But you know when he was a cruise away you know. He wasn't really looked upon as knows my that was going to do. Great things heavy divisions because every division was. Actually you know what I mean. A Stack invasion back in the ninety S. We all know I mean. We live guard. That was considered like you know a lot of B. B. level fighters that probably better than some of the guys that are today fighting everywhere. You know what I mean like he. I mean he was. He's a World Chevy but I was watching the fights but on the Frank Bruno. You know Frank Bruno me was was you know he was he was. He was a fairly good headway. He just was like say that at the time he was eventually so competitive he wasn't a city like you know dominant way. But you know Frank. Bruno was doing this thing from like you know late eighties. Or you know tonight in the ninety s freeways like say like me. I'll just like you start like this clicking something new to whatever and just like whatever pops up I'll watch you know like you said in terms of the second question about commentating. I don't really cut to buying down whatever because I actually like it. Listen to like you know the guide like from you know the HBO Day. The high like you know how how did chemistry was even when even when even when George Foreman and the fire despite the joys formerly Roy Jones when they was doing commentating on HBO. So I was looking at it. You know I was listening like you know you know pig piggyback energy. Even to like today like on Wor Paulie by Toyota's I'd still probably to give them credit for his knowledge and the sport but Yeah I like. I say they're like Oh my I do want to do things outside of the ring right on my career so right now I'm just like focus on just just Picking things from the Great. So I'll just watch a Lotta tape love that answer. Go headedness all right. Well I'M GONNA go out to the to the peoples questions man. I don't WanNa take up too much time with my personal stuff. WanNa go ahead straight to the people. This is the voice of the people who got intriguing. Atlanta says Jerome boots and his versus earl. The spy earl the truth Spence If this fight took place down the road who do you favor and why that's grass fight man? I mean I think boots boosts is gonNA You know when the time comes say Donald Roll. Let let let let them season some more and more seasons. But I'll I think he'll be a definitely a key factor in the division and I spoke. I spoke to him as I won't do it last night. pity and spoke to me and my book club. We both spoke to him. And you know everything. Everything was cool. You know as a lot of respect for eight. He's young he's hungry but like I say my main I'm not. I'm not really really fond worried about what he'll do. Turn the talent wise on When it when it gets to that level I'm just more like I'm telling you know getting the better and more exposure because I I feel like he's he's basically graduated now from the whole show boxing. Those kinds of the basically get to like you know the biggest scenery or even if even if he had to change promoters to get those fights but he w like going to own a business ideas he had to make the another movement in terms of business are all right. let's see. We got a George Foster in the UK says what qualities does Frampton have that? You'll need to be aware of. He has he's experienced. I mean this guy like I'm not I'm not I'm no fool. People look at it as as like well. Djamil you have the you know the sides you don't have as much wearing body you know which is true but at the same time. I know that he has a good team behind them. All to the you know. I think they're going to try to you. Know at least come on come on with with with some of the amine a good game plan to counter or that but and then the day car has experienced me. You've been in world more world title fight an I have of course so I have to. You know I go in there. what What a sharp mind and just be aware of certain things that you may do honestly think you should stop them. But you know that's me you too big a guy in my opinion and I mean yeah we we can't we can build it build it up some way. Man. He can't go out there. I'll go walk through but you gotta you know they. GotTa play smart but I definitely That's definitely what I WANNA do. I don't has. He ever been stopped on. I'm not I'm not saying this is why he got he got to you. This is also. He's never been stop swing but he's been hurt him hurt that. Yeah you know he got to do this. I don't know man I I I I paid into the. I've also don't give credit to my man pilot in the last night. You know mcreavy. Aki hurt him. I think twice Birmingham. I believe in eight Brown when it when it came out of Charleston. A body he had on he gave causes something to look at. But like you know like that's why I'm eager to I'm eager to get to the fire. This point man. 'cause I really. I really believe that I could do some damage but at the same time I'll give them respect call doesn't have the experience like the book like I'll put it out man. This is a whole different way division and you know I'm coming down from my way division so we'll see yeah. I mean I'm going to be honest. I was more impressed with Carl Frampton in the McCleary fight because I thought McCleary was going to win i. I'm pretty sure I picked them live on a thought the high to reach the youth and Frampton was able to dog that one too. I was like okay. I thought he was. You know contract faded and he brought it back with that win impressively in my opinion. So I'm sorry Erica. Go ahead my four Jamaa and Rega- Church again casual fan out. What is wrong with John Age? They all are man. They'll know how to roll at Djamil that happens to you allow or is that something. That doesn't have the name Jamal. Jamal and Jabbar only live. So it's a catchy late. I'm glad Neo Nazi. It hasn't happened so there though is actually a study on the name so I was. GonNa ask Jamal Jamal Rather What's like right now as a professional fighter? Like the social distancing. Is it just practiced? Are you practicing now with the outside world or is it where anybody that you know or like? What's your life like now regardless of crazy crazy because it goes back to which I have mentioned early about how. How does You know how much do celebrate now at at the wins and stuff like that where I'm at my career and is like to me. It feels the same because usually like I said I'm home because because I you know I see. I travel so much in terms of I don't fights or go you don't just go into training camps so when I when I'm actually home I take as much time with the family as I possibly can. So you know usually for me staying in the house You know it doesn't bother me only hate though the fact that like you know. It's like that thing. Where like when you do decide we like you know. You can't get up now and go as you please though you know what I mean like the most part. I'm usually a homebody but I when when he knows certain states. It's not like you know I can go even being from New York. I can't go leave from NASA snare. Go back to New York because of course for one you'll get like I like the you know the the the mass amount of pace is going on. But it's like I can't I can't even if you involve wanted to 'cause all these curfews like can't even travel like how you wanted to anyone. So that's maybe the only thing that bothers me but in terms like staying in. I really don't have an issue with that. We'll do all right back to the public. We Got Israel Web Oklahoma's thanks for your service and thanks for coming on the box voice. I was a squid for five years. Did you ever do time on a navy boat? Hopefully they treated you okay if so. Oh I'm sorry I thought he was nine man. I I never. I never time when I'm home on a naval naval ship where they bad man but I definitely been around a lot of You know Sailors especially with things that anytime on a navy book Joe Alright. So he wasn't done he said regardless I'm riding with you for Frampton Frampton fight in the UK. Let me know if you need me to fly over with you for moral support and then go if you need a insane. He's that crazy man like I. You know the only thing that gets you spike and I'm pretty sure you you all this topic before as like you know as the Merriam fight and the military and American fighter you hope you know what. I'm saying you would hope that you know your your countrymen will back you as much as you know these European fighters get and crazy like a lot of the European fighting. They give more More Americans from American stamps point you know then then then we do from people that time. I think that's the only thing that that gives me time but like so when I do get that whole that that on this behind me. I really appreciate it. But it's like Oh like I see a lot of these. Americans rely be going open anything on all our fans that have been announced for them but like on American fan base like yours like we. We see too much of our own people. They'll root for the guy overseas sees before they moved. You definitely so listen. Champ We got about four minutes before we get to. You Know Djamil herring. Victim Lamont Roach. I hope he won't takes that offensive. That's that's that's motivational words. You gotta get back in the ring. Right he gotTa want that rematch last Guy Man and our guy do him next so we got about four minutes to rush them some more of these through the Public Caesar in Las Vegas says. How's IT GOING CHAMP? Who Do you see as the toughest opposition in your division right now and why I say I forget the respect to Miguel And be because like I say he's been he's been belong for awhile 'em for for a good amount of time and affect and all the boys Yeltsin. The man hit both hands. So of course anyone like data dangerous but especially in boxing. You know like I like people who have seen in the past the prior was on my answer because like I say you know we all know you know I was calling for that fight for the past year or so but it's because only because I really because he's number number one and it's like you want to be the best and consider the top of your division. You gotta you gotTa take those fights but I think I respected Miguel but But I I see laws and his and his game but at the same time. Is the Philodendron guile around or around. Jemmy in Delaware Says I think Oscar excuse me I think Birchall knocks out Oscar Valdez too. Little what do you think I can? I can agree with that and then I'm not interested to see what you know Even also in about A. Rod as playing on the big game plan. Because we've seen the last you know about Got put down by affecting. You know who's got a big Big Punch of but you know about it still so intriguing on taking the fight with phone sometimes to grow. What do they see that? We may not be catching on me. We all know that had the bad defense but you know about the same time he had told bottles and I think that But chose strength. Is You know when fighters get brave Goto Tolan instead with them and slugged. So I'm just wonder interesting. What they going to do the game plan all right We Have Ryan. I Dunno where Ryan's from I should know. He's been fricking a paycheck for like four years. Sorry Ryan but definitely says when you were in the military did you. Or any of your fellow servicemen ever pull pranks on each other mad. All we did pressure especially like being wrinkle bark game because we have so much free time on our hands because it was really like all we did was like we'll get up in the morning and run. We'll have a break between then we'll go back to Jim And afternoon so we had a common our hands and we traveled around a lot. Is that over? You know entertain in a minor portraying so much we basically just pranks and did whatever. I'm not gonNA sit there and tell everybody what we were doing. But we're not out to all right all right. We have Brandon Cincinnati says. It seems like you moving down to one. Thirty was the turning point for your career. How much longer can you make the weight? Great even though that exam getting older. But like I have an attrition in my camp so like we do everything scientifically of course so i. I don't like I say I make sure. I don't gain a certain amount of weight in between Campfire Right now. Probably maybe like Not even over one pick. You know 'cause I try to keep my wear certain limits drop. I don't have I don't have to put some strain my body so I thought I could make one of the year or so. All right. We got do Ingram and competences deb. Haney worked his whole life to be in position to make a big fight with the guy like Loma after becoming his mandatory. The WBZ Made Loma franchise champion. Was this wrong of them. Oh Yeah Oh yeah yeah. I don't believe that whole even I spoke got up gang with the WPA turns this whole super champion. And everything like that. It's like you know they. Sometimes you say bodies do was best for them in terms of you know financial gain but it confuses the public in terms of. Who's the world champion with all these belts? But I mean like I said I would like to see you know if Debbie get his get his you know his shot at one of these guys in top division but we all know that also plays a role with who you're with and who you signed was promotion so we'll just have to wait and see j MAC in New Orleans says terrorists bug Crawford Earl Spencer the truth who you got in. Why can't pick both my brothers? I'M NOT GONNA pick but I like I know people want to see the fight now but I I fully disagree with that because we don't know we don't know how earl- his body's reacting will react because of the accident so I feel like you know I got the email the time as well so I was like you know I wanna take the least you know so much of assault tries to get back in the mix of things before he even takes effect because you know but buzzer Stephen Shape all year round. So I feel like and I feel like if we'll get a victory over. Ej right now because after the accident people won't give blood full credit and cousins. That situation. I hear you man Danny's not soft touch right or would you like theoretically they were supposed to lie. Danny Danny I didn't put any because like the way the business stagnant like man. I'm pretty sure he needed to fight. You know he can pick some arts and like the top thirteen. You want to go from there like you know. Danny say what you want like. The timing is good because he always catches in between punches. And we don't know you know I'd say from the accident. All it takes is one. We don't know what your resistance looks like right now. All right all right we got tracy who says what's up champ. Thanks for your service. I know you were going to whip him personally. I believe McCleary could beat him but didn't throw enough. My question is can you convey the message to Crawford that we will love him to come on his show? We have so many questions and wants to see him in more competitive face. I E porter three exclamation marks guys got see not Mikey and this. Please let him know. Herring Beats Frampton so that I mean yeah I mean I I I like I like. I was hoping that we're going to see you know the porter you know. Because you know Sean Sean. Being when he come to fight come to fight and I even when he fought. Earl I will tell you buy is not gonNA be easy for a job maintained because you Sean Sean seems like he's he's type of fighter that basically you know he he faked at his best when it comes to the level of his opposition like people dot com for the whole. You guys fight well but like when it's time to sort of really really big fake. You Know Sean Sean really brings his game. But I'm definitely had to give out the big about that one. Br Bradley Lopez. This will come in. There has taken out the time and coming on the box voice as a current servicemember. I appreciate what you've done in and out the ring for our country. What's your your. Mos while you were in the Marine Corps his job on Lebanon forty one forty one basic nutrition right. Okay here we go prince of power. What a champ. How did you see the video of Tyson's fury's glove had it look to you man of? Oh I keep trying to ignore a lot of that goes like a day. Like what can we really do like? It's not GonNa Alternatives and you know it was like over. We can do for the third fight you hope. Hopefully you know you know. Hope that does a lot of changes within his corner. Not Get rid of you. Know saying my brilliant of course but like like you know his technique you need some policy on undertake defense at the shore all right. Sorry for the pause we got stone boombox in Colorado. The Colorado says a piece champ after meeting you a few times of notice. You and bud are very similar outside the ring. Both of you are committed family guys in always with their kids. How has that helped you stay disciplined inside the ring embattled back to become the WTO world champion? Hashtag Omar Has Colorado Springs noted that with Family keeps you grounded like like even when I was going to even into the leedle fight I was thinking about like man by this is probably my last shot and like an odd to provide took care of my family and especially you know. Secure my kids future. You know so I was like. That's what basically keeps being both being grounded. It's like the whole family. I feel like we're not just fighting for ourselves and we've got people who depend on us so that's you know that's why we don't really you don't really. He's out there doing stuff that will jeopardize career because we always think about you know how we put off having. I definitely brother definitely We got JT. In New Orleans says Earl Spencer at Midway can he be Kanalelo Man I mean that's that's a much of a joke right now. Even though I like this I see get on their call out. Nello here and there whatever but like like is anyone really being Cannella. Admit away to be honest like you know kinetico. He top of the game for a reason. So you got you respect. You know he ain't no it ain't you ain't no slouch and you know. Camello is still you know in China. You know shock you know shock the world of the dead but I don't know I think I think right now. I think it's one thing you needed to. At least make a stop at fifty four in gradually. Move Up to middleweight. That was the case killing. You're killing us us. A Spence fans today man INFO joke. That's my brother but it's like we. We speak in boxing that you know what it is like why I mean that's higher risk. Like why would you want to jump on your dominating at forty seven? You're number to way to even make that move orig- that highlight but like now. This is a lot of the. Us before world were a fillet. That's probably naturally long waiting because he whatever into it and anxious but like little weight man I mean they got the media. Andres them guys. There's some big boys if I were Cannella though you know it brings that golden ticket you. You think it's more risk everywhere. A F- brain. Hey I'll I'll I'll I`ll. I'll kind of set. Caleb take their fight but like that golden ticket but it is what it is. I was shocked about that to let me tell you. I can't believe that that I wanna see you know 'cause look you know. Obviously in retrospect people might not feel the same about while the but I'm still riding with him he bet on himself and he ended up getting too big fights with Tyson fury instead of you know signing whatever tales was offered to him to go on his own and. I think that's what could happen in that same situation with with plant. I mean his numbers are crazy on BBC in terms of viewership. You know. He's got like nineteen fights owning these already clean scalps and look there. Yeah yeah the DUDE DUDE. Who's quote unquote? The man and his division doesn't WanNa Vitamin Ben Evita's so he got Tom. I think that can fight may come back around because plant could be more marketable than people believe throughout time and his only nineteen night. Low you you got more crazy crazy crazy from where you came from to like. Wait what are you thinking? You think much of them like his numbers this number to the show. When he's doing this day and I I think I think they ought to act considerations especially when they went to look at the whole had a did the Espn boxing with the with the theory. Wa the situation so I think they'll look at that you know they look again. You don't turn the ball The golden boy. How out on the new business but I also come down again. If people saying you know the behind the scenes that are still about our anyway lawsuit. So we'll see how that goes to Last one chant Info Joe says What up champ. If you had the power to change one thing in boxing bed what would it be beautiful question asking that question man? I think man I can't I don't know if I want to say from the you know. Do some with the judges or you know mega to you. Know if I Powell. I think I make it to the way that all these damn on N. teaspoons promoters can easily work together. Because like you said Man Bass was holding up the whole spence qualified to begin anyway. So if I if I had my way you know how I would have it to where you know. It'd be a lot easier for ninety just promoters like the networks as well as they play par to but like just to work together to make the fight. The fans want well Champ Dow. Those are all our questions. If you can please give out your social media if anyone who is following you can do so and just WanNa thank you for coming on the show man. We're hoping that You fight continues and if it gets postponed it at least happens That's a great big fight for you. Good name to have on your resume and like I said man. I think you could stop them even though he's never been stopped. So that changes things a little bit. But you're still the big Bro. But not everybody can hit me up at having on. Instagram. Twitter doesn't matter like you say you know like Oh The people being you know our take time to try things that you know an l. questions and things of that nature but yeah at Djamil having instagram twitter and say man whenever you guys learn chatted up get married you know which is which I hit me up Bro. Man Thank you so much Like always appreciate your time and thank you for coming on there you have it ladies and Gentlemen W B O hundred and thirty pound champion Jamal Harrison. By the way he response set everybody on everybody but you know he does is he. Does his best stay connected with people like I noticed that from years back? Yeah I just WanNa say same speech. I said yesterday about Jose. Ramirez Jose Ramirez coming on the show prospect contender champion now unified champion and I appreciate that. Because sometimes we get them Champs. They all come back. But Mr Herring is one of those guys. We've had more man as an Olympian when he was out in London Then we had him on as a prospect And then obviously as a champion so we truly appreciate him For being the People's champion great interview so Lamont Roach is Mia. Even though he reposted it on instagram that he was supposed to be on at ten. So I duNNo. We're you know we're we're we're twelve minutes past the occupant for the phone. Though I like I like how Jamal brought up. Jamal brought up and you can't help Jamal. Yeah that's all of us though. Feel bad why is? That's one of the names that they had a slight. Jamal Jamal Jamal. First of all first of all. He's he's there's no are in his name. You guys are thinking of Jamal and Germany is to e or the you know. What though on this on this you up in Rica and it's my fault because I guess I type about your mail so much. My phone actually changed it. I wrote his name. You trying to say I messed it up for you. Missed IT UP. You said it. I said I messed it up. Stop texts when I was sending it to you. I messed it up and I had put up. Put your auto correct did and I sent it and then I didn't even realize it takes like damn but that was my fault. I bet he saw what I texted. Now because do me the same Dumi jump. Right into my. Yeah ooh Roy Moore. I'm about to jump jump in because I was already frustrated. Thank the first service I think. That's the name of a little bit. It's one of those names but I liked that way. I think he's on the suspense post. Spo- Spence you know easy fight for him because that's the same feelings. I have for Earl Spencer pose car accident. A lot of people are like dumbing it down like now he good he good with the Lama. Is You the MA to forty? Not De not real deal affect that. That kind of car accident could have put on you. You know what I mean. The Ma is this you. It's like you broke yes zoo. Is this Ulama Yeah? Well I'm sorry but is that you know. Gabriel didn't send me the number so it's like a guessing game right now but sorry about that. Thank you for. Yeah just sent you that message on Instagram. Set it up. But he's not answering last time He was up at seven fifty five but never mind. We got you now. Thank you for coming on man appreciate you taking the time. It's it's it's funny. We just got done with Jamal Harring. Who obviously were La- last fought so once again? Thank you for taking out the Tom. How is Kobe treating you cove in nineteen obviously? Kobe hasn't been the best guy daughter. Best friend popped up in my life but you know it's cool maintaining trying to find a way to work and I said I noticed on the I knew I was stuck in The My is Alex voice so I peeped it You actually paying. No No. I did it. That was just a that was a picture chrome one of my fitness level testing and It was just a little A little joke they get people You know get people smiling and laughing and give people in good spirits about the about umbrellas and House. Train had been going for you. I know some fighters have different You know outlooks. On on on training at this time some are sparring summer not summer actually keeping their sparring partners in camp What do you? What do you exactly doing To stay in shape well I I've run out chairman of the House. We got back in the house and stuff like that so You know. My Dad sets up. You know like little teamers not too many people You know we get a nice run. And when the weather's nice where mask and gloves and stuff like that Love the Training House Alabama Thank you so much for rocking out with us. First of all I four most. Are we really appreciate it? And again we apologize for the confusion So you know it sucks man because I really wanted to see. Make your debut You know twenty twenty and and and it was right there you know. You're on the cusp of it. How we're Utah peak form. I would I was there. You GotTa think seven days out this fight week. I mean I was. I was about four pounds out from wait. So you know I was lifting real good I felt great Losing the weight wasn't hard at all and No I just I felt I felt like I was in shape and you know I was ready to put on shows so when I got the call. Was you know it was crazy? Did you See here's the thing. At the time. When years got cancelled there was a couple of others that had just gotten cancelled. It was serious. We weren't where we are. Now do you expect from the moment that it got cancelled to where we are? Now that so like this was going to happen. Did you did you? Were you were you aware of how serious this was before it got cancelled an end to the point where you are now before before my got cancelled. I knew I. I knew this corona by one thing like I knew it wasn't nothing to play but As they started shutting down like big big events and let's say places the NBA like you know. They pose like they cancelled their seasonal postpone their season at the time and that was a couple of days before fight got postponed so like. I knew of a serious but I think like with a week out I thought they were GonNa let it run out supposed to leave two days later to go to La. So like I'm thinking all right since. They didn't cancel or postpone and yet maybe they might do. The you know fans or spectators in attendance or something like that but not straight postponed so I didn't think it'd be like this until probably a couple of days after after they announced the postponement of my syndicate. Church here so I have a question so your fight you mentioned weight and working out at home like right now. Are you still discipline which diet? Because I'm trying to be disciplined my died. I'm having like cream Jinja Carissa. How hard is it to like? Avoid having and you know that kind of distraction knowing that your fight was cancelled but it's going to circle back so his thing like I don't know it's like I'm GonNa tell you right now. I'm not eating like how I in training camp. So that's life is different. You gotta think we going through eight. Some people even go to more eight weeks of you know eat in healthy eating clean drinking water like gallons of water day to go and go to fight in my so now you have potentially no date even though they're saves postponed. We still don't have a clue when we're GONNA come back so it's like it's difficult so you know. Got Snacks in the house. We got all types of food. Now don't get me wrong. We got healthy food. I eat healthy too but I'm gonNA eat some trash here and there. You know what I'm saying like the Cinnamon Bun Oreo. You know what I'm saying because for the the sacrifice that I was doing the last two months I want to say go to waste because I'm keeping myself but still keeping myself shape keeping my weight down And I think that's the best way to go into training camp so whenever they call us or date or anything like that you know. We'll be ready. Do Me Height when you sail. Orioles your kids. Love oreos grow complimented glass. I love you. Eat them with milk or just straight up. I can do vote but if it got if I had no question I'm using so obviously March thirteenth was the date man. I I didn't really hear you. Speaking of disappointment what's the disappointment? Like no man. I was very disappointed. Honestly I was so mad I would look y'all y'all might not believe me. I was so mad I call. I call my mom. I was like she like alleged Nita. I ain't going to that damn and so take us through the camp how. How serious was camp? Because that feels like you might. You might felt like it was absolutely ready. You probably felt like he was gonNA put on one of those great performances and then to not be able to get that off. Man Just talked to buy a talk to us a little bit about camping. How ready were you can't lose can't was You know it was a great of a super series. It was very strict. Some sort of Alaskan Now like a little different you know. Prepare for a world title. You know. There's there's no prepare for a world title my last. Can't there's no you know there's no room for slip-ups errors or anything. So you like you got three coaches. That's all my eyes every day. You know there's like there's no room for you know for that but this this can't we did at home. We didn't do away Got Last can't we did with Joe? D. Is Antonio deal is my dad You know which was a per- team and Got In great shape for that fight So this this why. We took busy pieces from that training camp and We bought at home and to to me honestly. It was a tremendous training camp We got great S- marning. We responded with Isaac Doug Bay. You Know He. He's about the same height as the guy New John Bale. That's the guys I'm supposed to be finding so like. And they actually fought so I washed their fight and I sparked a spar him with. We got some great rounds. And so you know I felt good like and then coming off a world championship loss. You know I wanted to just basically showed that isn't needed. I need to be on the same level that I was my last fight so that was just you know it was just going to be a show improve like come on. I need to be fighting. No world championship title Like World Championship title holders. Or you know people who are fighting for tidal as well all right well. We got some Questions from the people we want to go ahead and acts you We got intrigued. The incredible in Atlanta says Doron boots versus terrence. Bud Crawford if this fight took place down the road who do you favor and why Down voted down the road. It's hard to you know predict a pretty sure turn. Berkoff was still be at the top of his game. He's one of the best fighters in the world Pamphlet panel so. It'd be tough. I like boots. Moose's amount like probably like a year or two younger than me you know. He's he's animal so you give him some time the develop some time probably Champions probably move up like arrangements and stuff like that so everybody would be a tidy list. And so I don't know how long terms cooperative stay there. But he'll probably get bigger as well so it's just a you know it's many variables. I think turns Carlson. The wins if that does have George Foster. Uk says how do you see the hearing? Frampton fight plan out a good question. I WanNa see that fight myself. I WANNA be there. That's that's GonNa be good fight. Francis Smalto Princeton's are small Coming up from what twenty. Six Mogae for that twenty two will so small. God think Jamaica Jamaica is very good at a very good at what he does not ring far as Keeping distance and stigma to a game plan and stuff like that so he'll be very disciplined throughout. He'd he'd always in good shape so it'd be very disciplined throughout the whole fight and I think he ultimately picks in the part I see them running into a couple of shots and stuff like that Caesar in Vegas says. What up chant. Tank Davis Versus Ryan Garcia. Who you got right now right now. A vote they both graboy. I think See I think I think people I think people discredit and think like thinking came quite and he's just a punch so I think that's what people go wrong. I don't know of line Mitchell ready for that and I'm not saying mentally like I WANNA say like no focus or anything like that. I don't think he is a mature in the ring at a gym. Aren't they do with it? And so I think tank like all right. We got let me see brandon in Cincinnati says. What's next for you hard to tell what was going on right. Yeah that's pretty odd to to You never know if 'cause I'm scheduled the fight the Guy. We stood like still opponent John John Travolta or but tobacco epping certainly You never know once. Boxing resumes like we have to find day. Being you and stuff like that. So it's you know you never know best the guy though. That's supposed to be next so we'll see all right. Jimmy and Delaware. How has your experience been with golden boy? Would you recommend other fighters the sign with them? My My xperience building a tremendous You know they treat me like friendly and I've been cheating nothing less than family since Since my finding and this onto them about eighteen years old so you know Yes I will recommend people whoever coming out of the amateurs or even if they come from a different promotional company like you know is Israel earlier like de Tocqueville. Sure there's no back door anything like that. That tell you straight up and down. You know what's going on up and they'll let you know everything so I I would recommend all right. Let me see we got Do Ingram incompetence says. Did you find it suspicious that the CLENBUTEROL has been a problem in Mexico for years especially when it comes to boxers testing positive for years but only after Kanalelo test positive and gets a week suspension does the WBZ and others raised the threshold for positive tests? note that is. I don't feel like answering. Don't feel president suggests like I don't know I don't know too much about the commutable thing in Mexico and all that so you know it is what it is that More like bottom line. Is I think boxing. It should be more strict with You know PD. Yeah I mean p Yeah opinions and stuff like that so who you need next question j Mac New Orleans Bubba suspense who you got all right trey says who is your favorite button not see that you got okay Ma. That's the fourth time he said I got spins which I want. Changes name already jammed. My man gives another chance to he. Ain't blonde like you if you pick him but I got well they go Trae says who is your favorite of all time tough you know not. I don't know I gotta go between. Who let me see them. I Like I like Prince magazine very much. Like Roy Jones like overall so. Oh No it's between one of them. All right. We gotTA GO Brandon Lopez. Thanks for taking the time to come on the box and voice once you get the stimulus check. What else you plan on doing with it after you get them. Travis Scott's one man that must be it must be over my what. He talked him out to eat it the day. I can't wait to this package. Come in my name because Me and my dad got the same name and hopefully they put it back out. Yeah so that's what I that's not saying I was like I'm GonNa get Travis got one after that they're gonna be gone after that. One Burgess Sano right. Those things are bad though. Yeah Yeah I need. I one apparently a lot of people not getting that stimulus check if they made a over a certain amount of money twenty eighteen they got. They got tears. I get. I hope. But that's why he said his father he said it's GonNa come in. His father is his father but it but he hoping lansing his account. 'cause they got the same name so let me throw some Moratti. We got principality. Our was good bra. How did the Tyson fury video with his gloves? Look to you glove gate this glove gate. It was something about the glove gate. Man Gloves are flexible. Burleson go any which way you want to with it. It's not Brits. Can you what people need to get over his glove thing? Land look our out of that by and you know the just alone and then go his way. You can't blame like type thing no matter if his hand went halfway backwoods or whatever the case may be is that going to you know what I'm saying. Where is that GONNA give him that no accurate? What doesn't Bend at the wrist? Mr Roach Man. I hate the country shore but obviously because of the game not giving me the phone number we we we ate up. Some of your time went in for you to jump on. We do our next guest. At Lisa Bumgarner. No you probably know. She's from your area or at least fights out of that area. I believe but Can you give out any social media for those not following you and can do so at this time and once again? Just thank you for your time and for coming on. We definitely want to get you back on and continue to do this more regularly. Like we've been doing and especially when you get this new announcement for your right. No problem man. Thank you for having me people can follow me on instagram. A twitter One of one X or just such a mongrel junior champion breath. Oh man what. Your Dorm WanNa You gotta put your name. You're boxer people gotta find you as Lamont Rose my name. My real name is right there. That just always been my instagram or twitter name. Why WOULD I change? 'cause casuals don't know who the hell one vexes. I'm just saying if you want to blow one of one as one of one x active because you know people got one of one. I'd go I'M GONNA go one of one tag that's fine. Who got it insulating? Listen to me forget to WanNa one tag you all one of one. Ulama roads June. There you go. That's what I'm telling you. They need to say that. Listen let me get to but thank you so much. We don't get you back on. Were dying man. We ain't we ain't get you back on. Thank you again. Let me jump out to at least you bumgarner. They have ladies and gentlemen Top contender Lamont roads. Junior let me just double check leashes area code so I don't bring the wrong person on where I there. You go good morning. Alicia Bumgarner how are you? Thank you for taking the time to come on the show and talk a little bit of boxing with us. How is coded Ninety Man I'm good actually. It's a mindset. I believe in Do the time we have to really focus on what's important and what we can do better individual so I'm good point. How about yourself? I am happy to have you. Thank you once again for coming on. And Are you able to use your Jim? We obviously we interview minimum of two boxers or people in the box industry per day. So this is kind of a question we asked every day due to the situation with corona virus. And I guess just being safe in and staying healthy so how are you maintaining I guess? Boxing SHAPE IMPART. I think right. Now it is Walking went on eating showroom keeping my way he A good way and not blowing up enjoying my my food too much and We're also The guys that are just going for a run like three times a week. So He's been focusing on my diet in That's it. I thought I can't really do so before I pass it. Among some of my co host. I do WANNA ask. Just what your thoughts on your hundred and thirty pound division? It's pretty hot right now. Especially if you consider a possible fight versus you. Michaela mayor down the line. Where do you see yourself compared to camella among Michaela at this time? And do you see that as a possible super fight for you down the line? Yes Oh definitely The one division of pat on we got good competition All I know is that I I'm ready. I'M COMING IN WITH ANYTHING. Anybody wants to Dow GotTa Make Sense Michaela may here can definitely get this word. I think the girls are just being just to shot. Get some real work and We need some real fights. You need some good compared i. These girls need to know that. Come on. Don't even need a term because just dump Israel okay and I feel like until they They actually set out and challenge themselves Didn't but Yeah man anybody. Did this work at one thirty. I definitely I'm ready I'm AC- I'm competitive. Not just that but I want I want this work so real quick Let me ask you. What did you have planned For this year terms of how many fights You know obviously we're all pushed back but and I know you talked about training and stuff with nest. Just now but As far as the plan the game plan for this year. And what you had hoped to accomplish. what was on the docket? And what do you think assuming? I know. You can't tell for sure when this is all going to happen. But what can you hope to salvage from this year? If you get at least another two or three months we're supposed to have a fight motorcity Two weeks ago We're GONNA be combing event and Obviously I got pushback so We're supposed to have that fight that it happened. It's still postpone until April twenty four. I'm still thinking they're gonNA postpone there as well or just cancel the event We know we wanted to at least get. You had a title Opportunity which we can still have At this time we have to put ourselves in gear on. Okay what are we GONNA do and these couple of months? I've been pushed back so I'm I'm thinking as our team discussed you know you. WanNa get another fight And then the what's align for later in the market but I guess is just really way and seeing what makes that Haley shirts. A Alex era with the boxing voice. just curiosity How did you start? Boxing In your career. How did you career start if you have an amateur background and are you Doing anything else besides boxing as far as career wise. Are you doing other things that are you know bringing in an income as far as I see you on? I don't know if you are sponsored by any Clothing companies or such. But are you doing anything in the modeling as well so You know I'm always trying to stay busy outside the ring if I'm not in their e We also I've been with Adidas so I definitely represent them But the clothing but Going back to your question about. When I started boxing I started boxing. Eight years old I had one hundred sixty five amateur. Fights was a lot of people. Don't know and now it's funny to me. Yeah and that's when that's where really the experienced comes in that's why it. I'm just different than most of these girls. Cause some of them just turned pro. Dumb Lavar In the have the best Amateur Queer Again I got to experience out of the I got the fight out of it so started boxing e. and boxing ever since There's been a athlete. My whole life and So I continue just to to work at that and understand. The importance is to to be to be the best so and that guy to finish. I just wanted to know who who in your life as it had the most influential impact in You know you Sticking with boxing You know I had a few people definitely my parents My Dad pushed me in the sport. you know. He knew that I was very well capable of Being I don't even think you thought it was going to get this far but either knew that I had the work ethic. And that's what he he really instilled in me at a young age and just This is support that I that you know a girl back then. That wasn't so normal a lot of people when people see me. They're like wow. He's really doing that so It was definitely just motivation from everybody else to then the two now that a girl a woman can work long. Alicia in REGGAE church. Here Question I know the phrase stay ready is always thrown out there to fight as we're going through different time right now with staying. Ready is a little bit different. You mentioned focusing on your diet. Do you think that staying ready? And the phone call of the fight coming back is going to give the proper amount of time to train or are we going to see ring rust because a lot of people making it seem like these fights are coming back so immediately. So do you think you're gonNA see a lot of ring? Rust one fights start backing into play. it could be no. I think that their fight aren't than the way I've really been doing. A Post clone by the twenty four and I feel like this time had been off as a fighter. Take the time to to let your body heal And that's what I've been able to do and What it is that time if they were biting July and let's say may may or June. You know that's when you can start being prepared. I don't think the ring roads. I think if you train well And have a proper camp. Then you shouldn't. You shouldn't be lowering rusty. 'cause YOU'RE GONNA be training even the gym sparring and all that stuff so But definitely the fights are gonNA be pushed back so we should do that. But I'm not going to be surprised we do so. I know I can't blame my performance and all all. Nah 'cause I've been I had trained for this fight. I think stay ready is hard right now for any fighter. Yeah Yeah is But again I think If we focus on certain parts as far as your mental What are you GonNa do the next like? I'm I'm here like this is just. This is giving me a mental analysis on what I'm GONNA do. The net is just initially like. That's giving you time to think what I could do better. I'm watching my old sparring. My my fights or what I can work on doing things that I know. That can better me and all the rest will come together. They wanted to just something you said. Sometimes you got on the show you will like It's a mindset and I was like Damn 'cause I'm spoiling my diet right now and it's the mindset and thank you for that phrase because that that kicked in today especially like hungry trying not to eat something unhealthy united highlight ginger carrot soup Yeah it's definitely a massive thing I think for us is Boxers being in the ring in the in US using our minds that Obviously that comes into play hugh so if we're able to use that with the foods ever Ian and Kinda like challenge ourselves that way you just works for the ring they all go hand with each other and It's hard it's not easy. But it's the reward that she wanted and if I want to keep my way down I got it good if I want to keep my immune system great and not get sick. I'm a I'm GONNA do that. You know what I'm saying. We've got to start dealing with us For ourselves on beneficial. Not just for the moment anything I want to. What are some of the difficulties that you have experienced in boxing? See that I think it's what a total three years that you've been a professional starting in two thousand seventeen You and Michaela. Mayor basically started the same time. She has a couple more fights. Have you experienced any difficulties at all with your female boxing career? I want to take too much difficulty. I just feel like it just The way the way boxing women's boxing being played out right now but I guess if you WANNA call it difficulty I mean I guess the recognition and I get it. She's with with top-ranking she's on. Tv that's cool. That's fine but I feel like when it's time for you to fight that fighter that that you really have a chance again like really beat up is going to come in and it's GonNa show is going to be displaced so I'm over here you know. Do My little clubs. So whatever selling looping out you know. I'm working to get to that so went out when I when I do reach that point. It's GonNa it's GonNa be it's GonNa be made for me so I guess it's just recognition that The spore highlights on certain fighters. And I get I understand that that part of it but Way when you work hard and your time comes is is is signed so I guess I would say probably also Just I've just recognizing the sport US women Get Niko pay like all that stuff. You know that it's more than that but that's pretty much like the basic stuff but no really difficult difficulty. 'cause I don't feel like Difficult because everything aligns supposed to now. How's how's How does a woman one hundred and sixty five amateur fights Not Get a big time. Contract with an Eddie hearn or with a top rank even the PBC especially when boxing was beginning to boom. Obviously we know you know. Clarisa had a lot to do with coming back to television but at the time when females boxing was picking up. You were already a champ so at least a regional champion at least with the WBZ. So how is it that you didn't end up with one of these because I mean disown is picking up a lot of women right now? Yeah so I believe When I did have my first slots when I was defending my title That kind of where I kind of got pushed back down and you know how to kind of start my way back up though. I believe that time If I would have won it would have been a little different but again I feel like those times where I had to go back in and go to to my basics and learn and do some some changes it was it was it was necessary because it was all going to come get going to come just not when I wanted it. If that makes sense so I don't focus too much on where should be but where I'm going and that come in so this year for sure will definitely see me with my TV and Possibly a world title as well. So I know it's communist there. We we've had meetings already with a few people and It's already been put out there so again. I'm just doing my job which is on stand ready Insane indigent bill is already common so we just don't know win yet. This kind of puts everything back but I did I did. Tv date and We title coming so all right so I WANNA AKS ABOUT I. Guess 'cause when I say difficulties I was Kinda hoping you touched on it yourself and I wanna go into this Is it any issues for you? I guess the sexualization that men have over female boxing right. It's not like if you go through the comments. It's not like Oh good fight champ. It's more like Oh you're beautiful queen goddess. Does that bother you Elevate sometimes it does because some of those people are you know not the they look past the. They're not looking at what I do. They're looking at something else. And that's understandable because whatever that's how people are but again for the one because but for the ones that you know and understand this for people who respect the sport respect people who are in the sport that those are the things that really matter me like man. That was awesome Comedy you just did or whatever the nicer to the body Bob like. I like stuff like that. I like people who recognize those Those things on me. Because that's what I do. This is my job you know people. I'm a boxer. I and yeah you know I look good but it all goes hand in hand. You know what I'm saying so it is. I can't help that That's GONNA come but But Yeah Okay so can i? I guess your promotional and managerial stairs like who are you wit. And WHO's guiding? The career fell on King's promotion. Obviously in my managers Nelson Lopez He stays out in Florida and We all do you know where team We definitely on discuss on what we want. Our next moves the be So it's just not just my manager speaking in my manager and my promoted me My coach the wrong the loop in thinking case in what we're doing next in my career have you been with? Keith Promotion in Nelson From the beginning of your pro-career yeah so I've been with Nelson Since the beginning I just signed was Kings Promotion This year beginning of the year are thinking December. I I signed with them so I've been with now thing in And then I Kings promotion all right so Who's your trainer trainers in Coach Ali Detroit. I don't know if you guys are Tony here father. It's only Harrison's father right. We just had Sony on. You know he was talking about all. The training doesn't his CIA. I mean Teaching he does in his gym with the youth. But we do have some questions for the from. The people like we do for every fighter and that's a while went with my question. You know these men horn dog so don't answer whatever you want. Yeah Okay so you can definitely say whatever you want but you don't have to answer anything that you did. This and real quick just see. Noli should aren't like random trolls from the Internet like our most loyal and loyal. Yes these guys know now. They Know Boxing. Is They also obviously get it all right? I just WANNA I just WANNA prepare you. You know because we don't have to do it or anything and I don't want to offend you but anyway we're going out to California. Cal Says Damn three emojis of our flustered is with the hearts okay. Back focused now callisto seals versus Leyla Ali. Who you got to go with that one okay. We have golly dough in the UK. Says what's next for the bomb Gardner rematch versus Leandro? Leon that name. But she's Dominican too. I uh how do you pronounce our Mantra? She's a she's supposed to be Dominican and she must. Have you know married like a Frenchman or something? Leon route two. But what's next for the Baumgartner? Would you like that rematch here? So Yeah I would like to rematch if it makes sense and If it's necessary to do you know what I'm saying I know we We got something bigger comments. So if it falls to do the rematch then then cool but Right now we're focused on getting another fight in Just being busy all right we have. Uh Victor being a female boxer. Can you see yourself being able to date a man who doesn't know how to fight? That's a good question. Now you gotTa Know. How to fight? I don't think for you. What do you mean that he's got he's got to be like a fighter like actually fighting? He's just now you know how to fight because we got a yeah he had no how to find. You can have a heart like heart and Feis two different have high heart and get beat up defending yourself defending pack or how she got Fan. Also you ain't got no mass. You Ain't gotTA national gotTa be worthy of right so we got principal our says. Hey Champ how did you see the Tyson Fury Glove Video? How did it look to you man? Look I'm not even going to get like. It so much on there. I'm like man. This is just to patrol dumps. Though I was like I can bit that he won. He beat him in. That's that to the next time they fight. That's what we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA see but he wants to give like move on boxing fan. You want to come up with the craziest stuff. But now he's on that all right we got. Let's see George Foster. Uk says is deontay wilder costume. These they they hate wilder. My God is the onset wildest costume excuse the pound for pound number one worst. Excuse of all time you our he I just. I wouldn't have said that Easter there. Oh you know what I'm saying like boxers that four it was that person just individually within that you for this L. Everyone's getting their own. Yeah he's been gone a lot of backlash for that Even had a wwe star triple h Gone twitter and put up a video coming out with a similar so I still think the David. Hato excuses the worst. But you're right Lisa. That was pretty flimsy. We got intrigued. The incredible in Atlanta's says was good queen. Keith Thurman took his first loss to manny which I think should be up for debate in my personal opinion but my question to you is if a healthy Thurman returns to the ring this summer and looks like the same boxer. The beach import a few years ago. Who would you favor to win if he was able to work out a fight with? Wb L. Champion. Tamas Bud Crawford. That's that's good one. That's A. that's a good question You know for each fight You prepare differently sometimes. You don't always have the same regimen you have close to it so it just really comes down how you are nine like. I feel like when Thurman was training for pack. Y'All that's Hugh so you know he's trying to be the best shape possible but we've seen the preparation Did that lack of his performance like we're the things that we've seen that Thurman didn't do now he or patio. I definitely want that fight but I don't know I guess it just goes back to how you pretend for that fight and Good one cares though. So I don't know that's good aright brandon and Cincinnati. You have an amazing physique. What's your workout regimen? Keep up the great work beautiful natural. This is Arnie OCTO. Okay But I do work out to To keep it keep to keep it going but you know. I got my my boxing workout that I do run and You know I'm in the gym at least four hours a day three or four hours and some guys would do in two days so I'm just working and again a lot of people don't now you gotta eat good to look good too. So that's another part of it. All right we have hosts way book sale says during this quarantine time. What is your top five movies to watch good question to be onto only watch two movies and that was three hundred and then the second one the ride. That's it like I really just been doing more blocking In then working on what? What my certainly be A year movie for knee had been another so what you do. Blogging or blogging blogging blogging. Writing read that. Where can people find your writing? So Fremont News Messenger posted them. I'M GONNA post outpost them online on story so people can click on and read though I had probably like. I haven't read anything this year The last year I wrote a few so I'll just on my story so people can get those things so yeah I definitely didn't know you wrote but we have another one from sonny woods who says he scotus parentheses respectfully had a great idea. I'm a fan of this. Podcast and ness has been open to his listeners. Big UPS people For idea for idea to spice it up a while this hiatus ensues the option of a fighter from the other side of the gender fence would be amazing question. Any per collating your creative side in that aspect is he trying to act you to be a co host during this off time. I've no clue what he means. But did you understand it? Nope sorry sunny. We'll we'll try again next time. Jay Mak in a New Orleans says what what is this Okay so he's shooting his shot nurse. Hook us up with an Emoji of bring and the baby and family with the Glove. Definitely got a point out. What a beautiful queen you are. Then you understand the sweet science my God bud versus Spence who you got all that tags. Gps and it was like they always gotta say how things they always gotta go. Oh well I'm definitely married to the game does that out there and I definitely got Crawford when by sweet there you go no no explanation Since says how does female training defer for Mailbox Training? Uh Oh nothing. It's the same thing like sputtering. Doing thank my nothing. I don't ever want to be second. Because will your woman like Nah like example. One day we were running at the track in my coaches like okay. Yanni to get a fourteen. And if you don't get a fourteen wanted again and then he looked at me. He's like fifteen. I'm like this team like you. You already put me there. I say I said fourteen all right and guess what. I got like a thirteen thump. Well again I'll tell you like saying that's how it works. That's my work ethic but again I don't I don't want nothing short handed that we do the same damn thing so I want the same damn which you do what I'm doing. I I've seen you in there with guys. I mean I've seen you given guy some some some very nasty bodywork bro. Yeah I'm trying to. I'm trying to trying to put you on your ass because you'd be playing like. Oh I wanNA fire like now you now you trying to be funny. 'cause they're now really about really trying to we. Could you being a party out? But I don't play like when I've been there. It's for a different animal. So yeah I know I must say women. Training Messy Day shake. Should they agreed? Today's Green Green should deja green spot. And I seen her SPA. Another men in You know seen the same exact work ethic out of a woman so I'm assuming you have women do the same thing. Yes yes a lot. The Lot want those three minutes twelve rounds but we got three more for you. Champ Storm boombox in Colorado says with women's boxing on the comeback. What are some of the big fights and women's boxing? You as a fan would love to see my top two are you versus Michaela mayor and rematch of H H. Diva versus clitorises shields. Which is French on cruise. Yeah Definitely one I would like to see. Yeah me and Michaela. That'd be a great fight and then the other one I would like to see is Who's Girl Should no I think K Taylor nodding her should me Michaela Union Cayton to see what about Serano? You don't think Serano Beats Katie See you want my thoughts will maffei sure? Yeah I feel like Okay so they're having a fight over in her country so that's like one thing you gotta look at too. I believe that Amanda Has more deal for more skillful Experience as a pro then Katie. So that's GONNA show Ring Ring experience but I also believe like pain. GonNa just try to play it safe in her. Playing it safe is our country behind their plan when she fired Bushy fight laugh that she was like she. The girl that you for she fought like yeah. Yeah so like Christina so she. She was just kind of playing safety. I feel like a man to talk about how you do that. Now I feel like it's to show A lot of Amanda Heart to to see because he comes forward if you want to. I don't know it's up in the air but I do slightly got. I WANNA mandatory. Because I think her skill level is a little different than Katie but I believe Katie. Most likely will win because it's her inherited country in the post I it could possibly go to scorecard. They definitely don't see a knockout right. You just two more. Do you feel the Ulama. Chanko Dot Devon Haney by accepting franchise status and vacation. Wbz and allowing Haney to be elevated. I mean some people you can call it a duck. I feel like for him. He's just like well. This seems so why not people on Boxing Day. They don't don't give explanations what they do. They just do it because they talked about it over with talked over with and then do it. They're going to do it. The only got to give you an explanation. So you make your own instructions like well doc. And so yeah saying his boxing. All right and Jordan Baker and Florida says sorry about all these Horn dogs. But we'll fight. Do you feel as the greatest of all time? Ma'am I do question asks you harding answered but I think of a good fight Shit I duNNo. I can't think of top of my head with that one. Forget so sunny a I was just gonNa say Sonny came back and said he was simply accent was Since the show was on daily and we have rotating co hosts how `bout a women's perspective. And if you ever wanted to co host or hosts a boxing show or be a CO hosts here on the box and voice special co host. They just want to look at you. That's all now. They probably a Myers your boxing opinion. Right I should be so. I don't know negative thing now. I wouldn't mind due to answer. This question wouldn't mind be a host or I feel like we need. We need that This they have a different a different. Feel a different look to it. So why not would you ever do commentating? I Guess Ringside Television. Yeah actually before probably Before yeah I did it at King's promotions card and then A real deal card in New York. So Yeah I've done equals on definitely down you know again Outside the ring I always say I like to Stay busy and I also like being around my sport. So I can cola fight and in Watch IT IN BOSTON. Lana didn't you guess. Commentate for amateur show to like a few years back for like a couple of fights. What's the biggest last question last question Biggest piece of advice Tony Harrison giving you man I would say continue. Continue to Be Smart in there in the rain and and you do what I do. Best like they all see it. You know what I'm saying so it was just support in. Just give me an extra person motivation. Like you got at like to do this. A little better with that so stylistically say what would you say? Your style is a boxer puncher combination of both What what what. What would you say I would say? counterpuncher come forward. I mean I can. I can do it but definitely punching I. I like to punch somebody aggressive boxer punch it and yeah Well at least I want to thank you for your time We do appreciate you being so gracious witted. You were on for very long as soon as you have something. I guess we would love to get you back on to announce it here to our audience if you can please about any social media and obviously Wherever they could find your writing and thank you once again. Thank you for having me and Us follow me on Instagram at Alesia Baumgartner's and then I'm also on twitter and Alesia Ambaum and I'll definitely keep you posted on my next fight and Thank you very avenue. And don't forget a post that writing. Please I will thank you. Thank you there. You have it ladies and gentlemen Contender one hundred and thirty pound division at least ship Bumgarner Yeah. I'm still even though we did the interview. I'm still a little bit. But I don't know scratching my head. How she's not signed with a big promoter. I mean we constantly talk about Marquette ability in two thousand fifteen j fighter in general right hundreds amateur fights is some nice I know I can't believe that many amateur fights no big time promote especially like a natural. I mean they were picking up everything you would figure her. Being around one thirty they would assign there any way to possibly move up to face. Katie and a future. Just a little strange. Kings promotion has a lot of fighters that I like her being one. But you know I've been speaking about Michael Polite coffee forever. Since he was Owino I've been able to be in five training camps with him in Deontay Wilder Obviously I like drivers club spoke to them today. I was trying to get him on the show. You know. He got contracted the corona virus. So you know blessings to him. Hopefully the prayers up to him at the. I didn't see that at all tested positive. It says God. That'S AWFUL TRAGIC FACE. Luis Ortiz and Yup Jam. It dude this thing. It's God this is awful. I say it's like the worst news I heard today. I mean obviously it's ten o'clock where I'm at but Wow that sucks yeah. Listen to use such a good interview. And here's the thing like we said the other day fantastic. Rem views at least thank. Everybody joined us today absolutely. I said the other day that you know sexualizing women when it comes to. Mma boxing like it's done on the men's side to to a degree you know we talk about their bodies and we talk Oscar Oscar the biggest example of you know be a man being sexualize in Bach and he played off. Of course I mean he played off. He Clears Oscar. Who say would you mean? He was the biggest mailed role the female Exim pill he was the Golden Apple Ryan Garcia exact neck different though with women. No because that's the first thing. Yes it's the constant and I'm not even talking about our Callers I know that some of them you know. They're not engender money in general exactly twitter just in general. They're they're like that box is probably one of the most sexual looking like. Yeah you look at it. Sexually get where. You're your shirt is sweat. You know what I'm saying that's involved so it's not it's no Amana just period normally like. Wow she's attractive. You know the open where women there will see the sport I I am he cute. You know what I mean. I don't know I'll know I'll know because I'm like keeping real I'M GONNA keep it real right. I don't know I showed my girl two fighters the day before yesterday that we interview so I showed a Edgar Berlanga. I'm like hey look this kid. Got Mass swear some showing her in for and you know then I showed him with his shirt off or you'll duck Puerto Rican gloves zone. You know seaport of Isa so I'm like on the big screen. No no no. I had it on my laptop now and you'll listen right here. That's I listened that same story. Y'All I could tell it the exact same with. That's the exact same thing that happened with wife. I showed us the pictures of Edgar. And she was just like who's he he's got it he's got it. Listen I remember fighting corona virus. You talking about wins his next fight. Y'All remember the Richardson Hitching was on yesterday. He's like yeah man egg got it when we go out or the or the Latin. Mommy's comes on. I know it does happen. Good looking good looking man. No but but this is the thing it does happen to men but if you looked at different but if you're not good if you not good that's where it stops you know I. It doesn't off for the females so I just thought it was more difficult for Bush. Obviously you know it. It isn't I mean. I guess it could be taken as flattery motivation. All that who knows you know what I mean. I just felt like maybe a lot. The main everybody coming at you. You're crazy right attitude attitude four. I just hate it. I just say that. She for the Dominican champion off. Tv like I know in an Emmanuel. You know the thing too is though why might feel that way Guys is because like two thousand nineteen was like a big or two thousand eighteen really was like a big metoo thing two thousand nineteen. You know. Women started telling Deuce come correct. But boxing's like behind that stuff. You know what I mean like it's evolved and it's definitely gotten a little more politically correct but boxing is is a lot different. You know what I mean like. It's it's a little more behind the Times so people say things that wouldn't fly. If you were talking about like an actress you were talking about like somebody else. But within may boxing like you know what? I'm saying it comes with the territory. I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I'm just making the observation. But a female boxer will probably punched in the face. I Oh yeah I would never say hi. I made my bones Covering fights I started off with a female in the. May there was a really talented female fighter from my area and She was a cheerleader. She like she had this great story. I followed Y'all I've seen her check dudes that were like. Oh you're an. I seen her go into the crowd. What and these are all my bed. Nothing like Yo Diaspora. I would never say that stuff because yeah they could beat me up like one one thing. One thing. That can't question was like the whole Clarisa. She'll Leyla Lee story line. That keeps coming up accident. Yeah I don't like you cause and the name is like who knows her like who seen a front row see is a little past palm. I get what he say master. Because she's GonNa bring out casuals exactly. Thank you Mar. It's going to be the bills thing on her resume and she'll bring out the casuals. I get that but this is the Okie doke. Because she's not GonNa win. Oh yeah but Gregor was exactly. She's trying to get her mega McGregor in. Let us listen level. They listen listen. You gotta be a little bit more forgiven. Because she's doing everything she can to bring more exposure. She's trying to fight Layla. She's trying to fight a mandate Nunez. He's trying to bring exposure to women's boxing. You gotTA calling emily fighters out shoes. I understand McGregor was a big ass attraction. It was a big day on the stand exposure. She'll only do so much. Leyla Lee is also has a ceiling. What is she going to bring? Who does she bring bro? Bigger fight for Clarisa as Muhammad Ali. I know you well. It's funny because you the U The casual fan. You want supposed to be like yeah I want to see. Leyla Lee Zaslov. I'm like Yo who will win. Leyla Leyla last fight. Layla Lillard is going to take some some brewers guerrilla for her to come far million brothers she wants real quick let's Thank Alicia Bumgarner Lamar Roads Junior. And obviously what Jamal Jamal? Herring for coming on the program. I WANNA go ahead and open up these phone lines. You gotTa Lotta callers patiently waiting so we WANNA go ahead and get on out to them. But WanNA thank. Everyone has tuned in remember. You can call in one four to five five six nine fifty to forty one press one one time voice. Your Opinion Radio on the Voice of the people hotline these calls are brought to you by El Camino electrical services experts in electric vehicle charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation visit us at El Camino electrical services dot com. Remember to raise five stars on ITUNES CLIFF NEW JERSEY. What's going on ringer status? Talk to me cliff. The phone all right cliff is at work season. Vegas talk to me. Yo what's up? Uh Listening? Sorry about that guy. Show no problem go to Steven. Chicago talked to Steve SICARIO. Well Mar Guys. Good morning brother. I'm getting some acknowledging. There's somebody else on the loan now. We don't have anything. I don't hear anything. I got a bunch of noise on Let me come back to you guys so. Let me let me refresh that. But in the meantime I guess final thoughts on this Sukur Stevenson Gary Russell topic to put that to bed. I think that if this is going to happen it's going to happen a little further down the line. I don't think that they're going to be chasing the fight each other but if it does happen I think Guy Russell is going to be in for a very very difficult fight On a on a long range Aspect that a fight. You know what I'm saying but that's just my opinion. I mean I know that Gary to some is more experienced better resume or whatnot but I think Chicago's hungry and if it does end up happening I'm aside with my brick city brother. Yeah I think it's a hell of a fight test for both. You know what I'm saying That's it if it happens I'll definitely watch it. Is it too soon for because Stevenson is the real question? That arises raises. Here's here's the thing can you? Core beat him Maybe maybe right now could. Shukor beat him in another couple of years. I think every year that goes by his chances are his percentages of being the favorite increase. The question is like Gerry. You know one of these injuries done to him you know. What are they going to do to his body? That's aging and he's not old by any means but you know. What is this body do after all this punishment and you know the issues with his hands and elbows stuff and you know he's just he's had a lot of things rack up so you know at the end of the day? What is that Do I think that it shows that Hong Young hungry line like Shakoor come in you know. Swipe the rug right from underneath them. You'll real quick. Is there a nickname for for the Bronx? Like I know Brooklyn's vk right but is there a nickname like yeah the BMX COOKIE? Down the Boogie. That's what it was there. You all right my bed. Sorry I was putting in these names and stuff and trying to be funny I guess you know with Tom. I it's easy to say that that that he'll get better and be more of a favor with time. But I think that doing it now Is What's GONNA shocked world? You know what I mean. That's GonNa impress everyone but let me go a man. So Steve as Steve Hung up but Let me go ahead and Get OUT TO NEW ORLEANS. Then look like we're going to talk about. The makeup is really a shift pay. Fuck you into a mute away I wanNA talk to you. Turn off his station up. The money yelled what what I missed. Elden views us on late on on Costa may say too much about it. I'm pretty sure he answered my question on Harrison that you had on low you hit on necessary. Quick Jamal Lamont Rose Junior. Liebau gone downtown on wanted to hit him in view You know with other top. We tell them in the Task Force Stevenson Gary Russell. That's the fight the fight up. Pick Chicago Steve Stopgap ever Russell outbox bottoms. You know what I'm saying so I picked. The APP became the fight Will there? That's all I got not have a good morning? Thank you for calling in we. Going out to Steve Ring. It's all to me the. Marin US good morning guys off the question for Jamal I just wanted to tell him. And thank you for your service. And he was man. It's crazy all these guys especially like from the UK are average fighters. They got these big fan bases and guys here in the states will be champions and have less fans the most guys who were there so he was on point with that. That stuff pisses me off but And then Christina the Dominican girl that Lucia the loss to. She's half Greek or Greek or MOM's Dominican. Actually she asked me when I was telling you. Man She'd beat the shit out of Katie Taylor appeared. Anybody says I'll tell you if Amanda fights to in the UK she's already got fifty percent of the fight against her. But I gotta go in there and just beat the show out of her Michael out otherwise she ain't GonNa win stupid. Thank you as always appreciate you guys rocking out with US every day? Don't forget if you use any social media man share to show best way to support definitely sharing show going back out to New Orleans. These bitches sport total disrespect. Don't guerrilla smartest thing if you do stay away from being a if I'm I'm challenge one hundred billion the morning. The Moaning Up D. C. She was a fan of my question. Make sure that that's where the most and then everything right now but I definitely. I'm definitely on the same note with my brother Stevenson stopping ever. Also he's a small guy I don't believe in Gary Russell's like everybody else and I also don't believe in skill set. Everybody else he has. He is Russi in and out the ring and thinking brittle hands to Stephen is a young guy may not have the experience but he bigger guiding him and I think his his skill set is more shopper. Then get Russell's at this point. I think he'll all around better fighting together. Russell Garages just broke punches. He still I am just now boxes to me. And then she'll go stephen out there. Getting training with some of the greatest in the world got a great team around him as easy. Great Interviews Moaning Shit that's all. I got my first one champ. Thanks for calling in going out to Atlanta Zone in. Yoyo above fans got intrigued changing. He like Y'all I just was like. Oh if Thurman Fights What what happened? So he Mcginn answer he wants. He likes y'all so we had a healthy Keith. Thurman what what happened he still in the Ansi one. So you'd like to help keep therm into saying keep these show order. And then he got. He Got Thurman Specific Young. They're finally someone was like. Oh Yeah Man. You got your only time witness. Yeah that's the only time you're going to get some might arrive with Thurman Right now is to. He proved that he's healthy man. But Yo- ATLANTA. What would a four four feet tend to paint looks wet every day? We've been another coot city. Swag came to Mana was good. I I'm is in my my interviewing style. That's the reason I switched the word request to make maps night. Come across a little more clear. I ain't trying to lead nobody on for ask the witness lean witness. I wanted to rewrite the script. They've been what I'm talking about a help you find and to me. I have the department was bet with south. Florida really wasn't even with twenty five Danna Garcia. So that's all I was looking for man gratiot interviews man shoot combats in the NFL for sure chip Chuck Cook Up a surprise for you. WanNa come back who we got Trae in the Bay Boom Vang. What's a Guy j? Make got him won't boards. They made it Aloha hit. I agree I agree with Steve Man. Can you gotTa Not GonNa fuck out if they're gonNA find you take is Amanda got to knock her out. Get fight Because burn she lost her last and she still keeps getting She's still keep getting is so she's I'm I guess you should fight over the money right but she'd have to K- Taylor as all over the UK Brett Win care versus a core who She kind of Gay Russell. T REX arms are. I really don't know about at that one but I did get a little more experience. So I really don't know on that. That's buckle all right. Don't make you know what's weird about what Steve said. I was thinking about earlier but didn't bring it up to hearing. It's so weird like I don't ever look at American fighters like American fighters like I rarely like I. Just look at guys I don't even look at UK Guises UK. I know everybody's like Oh you're Mr UK. I don't see it that way. I mean maybe people think I'm blowing smoke but I swear but when it comes to hiring yo I get so patriotic like it's like I don't care who is fighting this is rocky versus damn. I forgot the Russians name but the Russian from Rago Drago. Yeah there you go. Yeah that's what it is for me when he's fighting just because what I'm saying like he's an American hero. He's a good guy. I mean. Listen that dude is every parent's like wet dream. That is the perfect kid. Like you know what I'm saying like. He's he's not a kid. He's grown man. But what I'm saying is like you know what I'm saying that his his prestige like he's just a good dude for. Oh definitely man. Let me jump out to ruin a five. Oh Four New Orleans windows these on Bellman. Good morning what's up however all right Once again great interviews you guys are doing good work on the side of the paywall here As far as the main topic dare Russell Versus Stevenson. That'd be a good fight. I mean I wonder how realistic real get bed fights since Russell doesn't fight that much per year but that'd be a great fight and I wouldn't mind them setting it up. That's my call all right. Thanks for calling in We got J MAG Boomerang all right. Let me go to Stone Colorado with how I run. What up Yeah great great interviews. I MISSED THE FIRST WOMAN. I wanted to Manuel that you have there but I call them. Run MINIMUM GLAD to see him. Positive man might say imprisonment and fight him bounce back and give him another. Shot it Anglesey against the mail. You know what I mean. You can't win that fight man but you can get up there with some of the other guys that went thirty possibly give him another title. Sasso man applause for all the brothers and every angle at his game. It's I'm glad that he do feel supported by Golden boy after young. I mean all the emails and stuff that went around. I made good to see that. That's not blocking him for filling. Welcome so I'm glad for him and Sikora Gay Russell graphite experience versus you. Our favorite probably the youth. I think Russell to beat a lot of those other guys like tank. I just think that when you're talking about fighting guys like sequoia it ain't just a physical fight like a tank is a physical fight. It's not going to be much mental to Jerry. Going TO SMARTER fighter. And he's going to be able to do things financial core. He's going to have to find my online and speed with speed and you don't have the land to keep up with of course so. I'll let him see it and hopefully it do man. I'm in the least you get great interview. Indeed do y'all need man which they definitely need young man and he's back real quick. I've been doing the numbers for wall so I recognize WHO's new. Who's in our new callers? That don't ever push one that's cool. You're free to listen no problem but I see a couple of guys one of them just dropped off at think but if you're a new caller all you gotta is push one if you WANNA chop it up all right You give us your name and where you're from and then we let you rock so You know no reason to hesitate if you want to chop it up Stop paying hopscotched jumping baby do it. Let's do it. We're going to king born Oregon would do. I just got us some quick points right now and I'm GonNa Start Potett right number one good fight between. Gabby muscles in In Chicago to cause long and tall and you know gabby rushing like five five so you might just be tore them. You know what I mean. Second of all Barna. She can't go out to Katie teller right they. GonNa jerk out there. We'll go with the won't deal with somebody else don't do it. I'm GonNa Start Apart for J. J. T. Y P Trey Wingo in the new Jack Right. Who Do you think will win at one? Forty seven with tween Roy Jones junior prom. If Roy wasn't as prominent one forty seven. Let me know guys may weather mayweather versus Roy Jones? Junior both in Napalm. I'm picking okay. Wait because see I think of a prime mayweather like physically and I don't think he was as good technically back when he was at his I think when his physical physicality started diminish he got way smarter he was always a smart fighter of course but I think he's got better thing is may whether earlier can when he was pretty. Boy Floyd he he he was he was having to have to go out there and getting all vital said he he was. You had to go get it and really put on beaten He switched up. Obviously because you WANNA stretch out jeopardy and he's a smart dude male. I people talk a lot of shit about the reading and all this other dumb shit. But he's smart and he had the genius. Yeah Prime when he said Roy Jones Prime I thought of Roy Jones with his hands behind his back but even but even so what I'm saying I'm just saying the only thing I could throw out there. I'm not picking a win. I will say good ass fight. That's it but will it be like a suit to technical one punch. Outta time barely see combinations? Were kind of fight. Would it be? What are you going to say Do me a cash kind of demure you about say Roy Jones at that's always comes in so good the other chimp but you know what I mean. So you're picking. Yeah Pink Floyd Sipa Factors. I mean if you take him Prime Rica you know behind the hands behind the back. A Roy Jones is still still the styles is always gonNA file. I always go to the style. Stylistically is going to be Roy. Jones is trying to trying to land punches. And Ain't nobody does it better than they were. That's exactly that's exactly what I was saying. Ah Prime Physical Mayweather to me loses. But the May weather that we got after he started diminish physically a little bit. I think he does beat Roy honestly I think he frustrates the hell out of and it goes back. Thank you barely see. You're gonNA see more thinking fight one punch out of time Baresi combinations. You might see one or two combinations. Throughout the whole entire fight Roy was fast or Roy was fast and so really is. W- foibles fast with the defense you know flow was fast with like the reflects. He had one point at very weird gray was last. He was which I gotTa that made me say like Damn. He's that good when he was like Yo. I could see the job before he even throws it. You know he he slow twitch muscles year that's the word twitch muscle slow the slow one the slow twitch muscles the long game at once. They're actually more about combat like not combustion but you know like explosiveness Fast which is more about like not raw power necessarily but it's a shorter more compact fast twitch was a was explosiveness. Yes sounds like yeah explosiveness? Are you sure because I remember reading? Somebody's callers who we got here looking like. Okay Alumni. Call California I. I hope it ain't raining over there. No more it's the question of we called pile good morning. Tv D- what a family what absorb a man first off. Man Shot out to all the patriarch man. would've support And great questions from all the Patriots Man. Great Questions Man. Out to the box and voicemail all the panels all the hosts. May you're putting in the good work with four. I is all of that they're Forest you core versus Gary. Well so I think it's a fifty fifty five I will give the edge to Shukor but I. I wouldn't be surprised if Gary Russell came with the upset What else what else. What else a man President AARP everybody around the world man. Everybody have a bless no stress. Friday man stay. That's all I got chance to definitely We got new. Call an eight one. Eight S Kelly Right. First Time caller. Yeah Yeah Victor. GimMe that that intro April ladies and gentleman making his professional debut. Yeah Man I see. You've been struggling on my last name on the on the Patriot question. I knew L. Loss by. Oh spagnuolo SPAGNUOLO. Yeah by question yesterday man. Yeah I'm dyslexic. Because we asked we ask from California to Hungary telephone. Yeah because I asked. Elliot's a paper you. What do you think the paper you members will do for Charles and Andrew? Not Cannella angry but it was still a good answer was so good answers. Yeah it's all good. It's all good and Just see no idea. Charlemagne the guard. Also get that interview. Prefab grow yeah man. I hope this shop and watching it a long time and I can call in because Woman does quarantine thing ain't balloon. Shit all thank you got stay rated men like to appreciate a brother P Shit. Yeah man if anybody else it look at him. Costs you nine to go to your budget. Just hit him up. I mean if he sees the same message over and over he's gotTa pay attention to it and you never know what type of level of growth that could bring. I mean I emailed them nothing back yet. You know but we'll see what happens now We got cliff in New Jersey. WanNa try you again. Know your rent. What up Ordering a meal that sounds or all right. I'll try you again if I can. We'RE GONNA go to trey in the Bay Boomerang Man Mario Mario Mario. You'll ask at is fires them off and watch. This may WanNa Shit Bro. You're talking about. He went to technical. He's different you think you're talking about you. Misinterpreted MECO completely. What I said was he got even better. Technically as he declined he was always a great technical fighter bar. None but what I'm saying is he turned into a level that might be greatest of all time as his body started to come down. No I never said. He was probably one of the most technical fighters of all time. No you misunderstood me was gonNA save me. 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Click man them until I get these guys in the same studio. I gotTa do Hellish Shit bag here. I hope you've seen the story. I posted it yesterday on the scapegoat for you on that on that Stevenson russified man. That'd be real good fight. I'm putting my money from putting my money on on. I'm betting on the Young Man. Stevenson trying to get boots on this and it's on Bra. I've been trying man. And he gave me his number all that we schedule them and you know he. He didn't show then. I've been texting them. I talked to him the other day. We're going to schedule them. And we're going to get. And then you know. Some of these villi fighters man. I've been trying to get the money to man. They you know interview dudes. We're just yet. They still new right maybe they. I don't know I'm just guessing but I've been trying champ. I've been trying that's was man. We'll keep you right. Assault we can do is try. But we're GONNA continue to bring you the best and biggest possible names that we can Right here on T B v That looks like we got the everyone. So we're going to go ahead and the name is ness. Gto catch meal instagram and twitter at Nez. Gto thank everybody to tuned in Iraq. That with us. Don't forget before I pass you to all my many co hosts. Let me give you an update on the schedule at is as it's happening in real time And that's why sometimes you hit me in the background not doing nothing. We got Edgard Josh. So very good trainer that you will be surprised. How many people? He's worked with so tune in for trainer. Mondays Would Edgar Jostle Aka yesterday. Deepa an Ariane know Sosa ugly an associate you ask for it. I got you. We're going to Tuesday morning. We got travail black magic may zone. Plus Keyshawn Davis Keyshawn Davis's the new Olympian. That was supposed to go to Tokyo and now he is going turn. Professional is the word on the street. So WanNa get them like we got to spend. 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We appreciate our paychecks. We're not chasing abuse we chasing you now so There it is maybe Yo and more Ghia at at twitter at Moore movie on Instagram You know appreciate all the co hosts for being here appreciate all the Patriots for rocking with us and asking great questions. All the time I think it was Info Jealous. Said that big shout outs And then shut up to our get. Oh you know what real quick as now tro are I? I got the I got it all done. I'm going to record this weekend. The track that I think ness really was hoping for all right so I'm gonNA spit one bar and this is not the type of stuff because this is what I've been putting in. I'M GONNA spend one bar if this is not it. You need to tell me because I'm not GONNA waste my time recording but this is like more along the lines of what you wanted downhill record it probably Saturday and have it ready by Monday. Our our pay attention pay attention owners call in trying to skirt me. I will tie son and daughter up just to put you in a fury. Hit you with their ransom. Call like you better bring that money in a hurry. They when I talk about fire at aim for Blazin Hays so if you want some Mexican be saving dates but you get in my way. You'RE GONNA get that toe tag like David. Hey so something like that a little bit. You got up in Oregon. Now you inspired. Now you inspired the freestylers. He always wanted to freestyle. Go right he went on and off the top sit out by Liam Dula. We got no boss. I finished with language to be to be go race in. May Go away. Say You can't just come on. You know come on. He came out with that flying off the top with the he ain't got nobody. That was the glove. Let me get this Let me get to this counterpoise before we go looking like damn looking at we got. I was on hold for the entire show right when you kick the altro they picked up and it was like to defer my mother. Foggin car payments to June ninth. Ooh Bali going out to counterpunch J MAC in New Orleans J. Magnum talking to the bell ready steady. I wanted to finish first of all my room I applaud. You Look Comeback. Little two shots like anybody seeing a movie Hall of Knights US motherfucker shooting that little Cuban close second. I got floor being What's it called Ma? I got beaten a fucking Roy. Jones Anegada burping floor in his prime. I wanted to be anybody on it. That's my call that that's A. That'S A on demand. Show right there Where is it where is it? Where is Because I don't even want a debate man. I just WANNA do one thing. Dues Love Bud. Man I sweat. What's the relation lay? Did they got to be related? But I never seen nobody bigger nobody more than the way. They big BUD IE snob. Rogers have those kind of fans you saw that in Mike grass too so but bro. So why don't show up the by pay per view used like tell me through true scarce small but they're loyal you want. They want the super fight between by his pay per view. Shit you know those are the ones that'd be like I got the stream. Let me send you the link. I share your diesel man. I never stream a fight. You know saying I stream and no face but I can't man I I. I need a officials while sixteen two thousand fifteen. I'm done with that. I never streamed on never ever streamed I only I can UK because we couldn't get. That's the only time I really ever did. I know back in the day right right actually. I was on a job once and I was missing on Amir. Khan fight our remember. We'll fight it was ama- man next to me was like Yo we can stream as shit. Oh yeah that's worth Crashing if that moment but being home now mastery. Manab just hit that purchase button. Real quick you me hold on. We got another counterpunch from J. Matt J Mack Truck Would. Oh Hey you can drop their where. She played a little tune. That was I'm disliking. What it is real recognize real but do you just buy stuck in your canola beef eating meat man days and shit like that and whatever cloud. I won't sit in. I call it like it is and that's just what is smoking them dudes and our conference. He's smoked Arrow and don't let him get catch. We all get closer. On sixty knockout fathy crew is. Is he going to be? Aj To tootle loo. He achieved going jump. Is he going jump up and beat ma? Forget while the two down on the path of pound number one so yeah he did. He did get that little too. I wasn't expecting that came out of nowhere was that that was like a soft reef. Twit don't forget we're back Friday that's already gave you the day off. 'cause WE GO back. I'm going to be back seven hours man so we need to get off right now man. That's our instagram twitter. Appreciate everybody tune in join us at seven PM Eastern time tonight we're GonNa Have Rob Garcia and Abdul Mahras and ended up another Easter Egg. If you were paying attention he might have a little surprise. He dropped at Easter Egg. I caught it bound over. Everybody else got it. I mean you never know who comes on. That's all I'm saying. We always work and we always young. Tb Well Casu fantasy be on the school cashew fan. You can find me on twitter. You can follow me on you too and Patriot dot com for slash boxing fan apparel also boxing. Fan APPAREL DOT COM to Lou. He likes to lose now to to Lou. You're Alex delight like the line was dope right out son and daughter up just puts you in a fury. O- I said I. Yeah that's what I'm saying. I said it'd be attention. 'cause I quick with. Yeah that's a challenge. But you don't want it. That's what I wanted but don't just do it like that. You know what I'm saying be floyd. That's a challenge to all these other bums. It took them gain even try at least daily. Try I mean is married? People call himself a rapid and listen to this show now and today's the day today's the day we saw cooled. Exactly he kind of we kinda solve called. Friday FRA side it down. Oh my bad my best so I must sound like a clam. So you're talking about Friday right. You ain't even know how to improvise. I hit you with I hit with the have bar right there. Yeah we still on there and we still on our TV overtime. I hear overtime and I told you. We not chasing views chasing you plus. He's still schedule in his new interview. I just got US down with Thomas. GonNa Man Matisse we're going to have him on Thursday morning at ten am Y- Thursday April second any He's GonNa be on so Yemeni filling up the schedule man for Linda scam man. I feel in connor sloppy right now. Just lucky charm. I seen you in a airplane bowl of cereal airplane marshmallows in that Carriage House a kiddie. Or with you in that in your shot. My body was craving ninety. Even tell you I had avocado toast with truffle oil and pepper. Paprika on top okay. That sound good. You're you're carrot. Soup doesn't sound very good. It's probably thinking my wife would like but Yeah that's good as hell carriage in drums. I cared creamy creamy SUPPO. Looking at here. I'm still Vegan but it was very thick and rich. His his soup is just one big ASS carrot in there. He's just still you. Still you still Vegan Vegetarian. I'm still Vegan but I had a porterhouse on Saturday. That's do you not like animals stuff nine into animals live in like if you gotta gotta eat them. I disrespect in the force of course but for you. It's a health choice right veganism. I just switched Diet Soda time an around food and I'm like And I you know options irrigate. I'll try to because you weren't around this time. This is years back we had Timothy Bradley on and He had he had just went. Vegan for actually have been Vegan for a couple of fights and we'd had him one. We talked to him I had asked him if it was cool. If like I had email them some questions and stuff yo I still have as emails. The stuffy told me about what what happened to his mind and his body with training. He was like Yo people were like. You're not you'RE GONNA lose muscle. He's like Hell No. It was the complete opposite. He he oh he convinced me right then and there to do To try to be a Vegan but I live with my parents at the time and you know they just may barbecue wait. I like like three to five times a week. I'm not even joking. He does ribs. You know what I'm saying so it was like. There's no way I could do it if I had that. Willpower but man. I've been vegetarian year and a half. We're ready no. Yeah you're the mid. May y'all all y'all make me feel myself and I ain't GonNa lie every now and then like you know because my my lady. She's still eats me so it's like she has some tacos yesterday and I was just like damn. I wonder what that tastes like that L. dollars just because I'm hungry at the time I feel like I'm getting my stuff ready but then I just started getting my stuff and I'm like man I don't need me. Is that stuff stuff down my throat. You know what I'm saying. See if the hundred way. Just look if you don't WanNa quit totally. Just ease up on it. Though I was Craven Craven. Craven a piece of steak and You know I got gifted a long time ago. Two hundred and fifty dollar route. Chris Steakhouse Card. Ooh I love Root Chris yes so I just said you know you guys are open boom. Here's my order and I went in and picked it up. That was some asparagus. Shit was forty ounces of steak and you don't own a hold on hold on hold on hold up whole whole the whole the old not on the main board. I gotTa go to the main book. Hopefully beginning is new computing to his frigging beach ball. I mean yesterday. We announced we had dropped down to like three thirty four. You know we lost some forty seven. Okay we okay so thirty four from three thirty seven hundred thirty four. I'm no we dropped down but we back three thirty nine we go we back three thirty nine we we we wanna see forty forty forty three forty three forty four wants to forty one Next time good but yeah man we back at three thirty nine pay chance you know what I mean so Out of those three hundred and thirty nine. I want everybody to know that. Only a hundred and twenty on the fifteen. We haven't reached our goal of At least at least that three or five hundred to be on the fifteen dollar level so that you know everything is working out properly around here but we're on our way. We got a hundred and twenty unit. I mean so. We just got to keep on chugging away and keep on giving you guys the best content possible and hopefully you guys can keep spreading the word and helping us grow. I'M GONNA definitely jump in with these guys and interrupt them and cut about it. I gotta eat. It's already on fast fast. 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8/19: Man Cures Rare Chronic Alcohol Condition With Poop Transplant

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8/19: Man Cures Rare Chronic Alcohol Condition With Poop Transplant

"Would it is. Joe Man Randy. Savage. Factor in the risk, no one does it better now? But he does a better repeat. Myself go ahead. told me something right down. Another episode apart b-actor presented by the Barstool do that work it is what the fuck Wednesday August nineteenth, twenty twenty the day we're all of the stories come from you the listener in the Harto hive congratulations to you on supplying us for these beautiful stories that we are about to read you today. That's right. Give yourself a hand unless you're driving. Then give yourself a pat on the back. That's right. Just like who Holler in support of yourself beaver those mutton chops you got these shops here. I'm calling my paddles like I'm thinking. At like a pinball machine. At the play button on our? Youtube. Yeah. Just, PUSH A. Youtube, dot com slash iheart factor news. They look pretty good but you're keeping the chinstrap behind the mutton chops. So what got working with here's Pencil Thin Moustache you a chinstrap goatee action and I got my paddles on my side from aside Burns. Attained up my mullet last night a little bit might be retail offended Alabama and I I took in the sides a little bit to really accentuate the top still looking pretty thick. It's becoming a part time job. Yeah. It's a lot of work to look this good I went to lunch today at a restaurant outside safely sat social distancing and the waitress was obviously intimidated by me or she had a lot of coffee I don't know but she did not like waiting on me. That's okay. Well. I think it's a look. No Yeah. I was thinking to myself actually right before this looking at pat like if I didn't know Pat, I would not like Pat. Well reminds me of back when I used to rock flat brim hats all the time you just get a different reception. When you have more aggressive look, it just happens. Offer turned on. Speaking of a lot of work finally defeated the light switch in the baby room. Yeah. After like I like fifty attempts at rewiring this fusebox advisor, this junction box, and then finally I wanted to ask you about that will because. I know you're a tinkerer but. You ever do any electrical wiring, very light, very light electrical wiring, but it's a scary thing like I really make sure the breakers off and then it's not scary. But then when you shock yourself, if you flip it on I, blown up, blown an outlet up, he has move into to a rental house and I've slutty outlets. I mean you put the ball again it just falls out I, have a tenfold. Electrical. In my life. Place West I respect and fear electric. Yeah. I respect inferior. You should learn to tame it like a machine Lord. That's yeah. So Also? My Wife's dad isn't electrician. So that helped out a lot because he had a lot of spare parts and we can just call them seems like a lot of pressure. It's helpful. Spare parts in the mail. He's like you dropped off he dropped off like this bag of like wire nuts one time at my house when we were. Part of Dowry when you married me why that's wire nuts we'll gets the rest of it. Every Chris. Part parts every Christmas they say what you want about the hillbilly. Wedding present, but I've never had to buy wire nuts at the store. Yeah there it is. Really this is about spare electrical parts as right. That's love a also the DNC it's going on everybody we know what's going on and it's all pretaped what nor deal I'm sure. Bill Clinton and Dr Jill were absolutely electric glass night but I'm probably going to be watching it right now it's giving through it in the mornings because it's all pretaped. Yeah. We're GONNA do a summary of it at the end of the week that's on Friday. WE'RE WATCHING ALL WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA GIVE DNC breakdown you can watch on youtube if you're missing it. You can type in like Michelle Obama speech on Youtube all the big news was the Michelle speech if she didn't have the. Good Up. Yeah. I like how the pundits were like. Wow. She's just better than any of the presidential candidates in terms of specie was yeah. That's why I was pushing her VP thought that predicted market would pay, but it didn't but she She was by far the speaker of the first night, but it was pretty underwhelming besides her so. Yes Got To. Resume Conference with. Mostly right. But. We'll give your summary. We're not. We're not avoiding it. Really yes. Yes. But now. But now onto what the Fuck Wednesdays get into it. All right boys little follow to a story. We did a while back remember that that Guy who was getting drunk but was not drinking any booze because his stomach was essentially a brewery. Yeah. The Guy was lying to his family I don't do this. The the the forty seven year old man I guess is the same Guy I'm not sure I, know this is. A number of people have this but he had a gut fermentation syndrome known as auto brewery syndrome and drunkenness disease. So, this. Might be slang terms for it maybe. Brewery is is Yeah. It's one of the more popular ABS I guess. Anyway. it can. Yes, right? Exactly. Yeah ABS is better than IBS I mean it. Right if you're constantly in pain, but at least to get some pleasure out of the. Yeah. Well, it can. It can be deadly because your body can't break down the alcohol. Your Gut produces from the bacteria and you're always intoxicated. This, Guy lost his driver's license at random police checkpoint because of this should at one point constantly drunk not drinking. Any BUSO. So anyway, doctors tried everything they try to new diet they tried to Antiphon goals they were at a loss and finally came up with the solution. They had to replace the bad bacteria with some good bacteria. So they took some of his daughters Shit and put it inside the man small intestine. It's called fecal micro biota transplantation or poop transplant, and he's doing great. Clinton. Also slowly. Let's the only way to. To fully restore the microbiome. Jackson your good shit into my shit and small intestine. D Tell your daughter what's going on there or do you deeper in the dark? Keep her daddy needs something. You just collect site when she goes to the bathroom you siphoned through the toilet for Turks. Hey. Hey don't flush this next one. Why Don't worry about it just unless you. Thought he was drunk astles. Bread News on Queer Street like what am I? Don't tell her you risk her going to school and being like my daddy keeps my peers and then like. To she was twenty two beef. It's all carbohydrates and sugars. So anytime, this any cars or any sugar he was getting fucked up. I'm guessing the wife wasn't an option because what did she leave him over the aps what's happening obviously? Come. On. Yeah. I don't think he had many options. It was either Porta potty or daughter. So. I. I saw I've seen this ad for Cola got familiar with Colbert No. Yeah. It's like daddy right were but it's with Shit. So instead of. Jack late into, get your sperm tested, you shit in a box and then ship it in to get tested to see if you have colon cancer and I was just thinking like that's got to be the worst job maybe a box opener cola guard just. against. Human. Won't. Work for Daddy Than Colo Guard. Job That cleans the real dolls is there those are the two worst job. Oh, he likes that. Industry that's a hobbyist. Anyway, this is the first guy that was able to be cured by this method. Now, doctors basically only GonNa do shit transplants us up. Well maybe for this condition this. Plants are pretty common for other conditions for the literally cured this they cured. ABS. Anyone that's been lying to anyone saying ABS. Alcoholic screwed because there's a simple cure. That's good point and I not easy to transplant. But did they say if they went but to but west or if there is a like a tube or how? Asking his daughters tries to Shit in his that inner dad's forcibly put it in there. It was surgery where they had open up small task title. Decisions. And then they like. Carefully Syphon it in. Her drop, her pupils on tested I re-. I. Read The story because we're doing it on the radio to positive. You don't think they put it in there and Adam them do a stand B. I'm telling you this is more common than you think you might actually get into this if you look up on, they do it for like divert lices, whatever it's called and I B s they've been doing. It for several on conditions. Yeah. Well, I'd like to be considered as a donor guys big social progress in Mississippi. As. There would stick so much worse stop. You don't want to be transparent. It's rich it's healthy as big. Just. Wants the spread the smelled imminent clear. Your ABS right out quarter for. That brand. All. Right you literally clear. Nobody's cleared more the. dated. True Defense Mechanism guys. It's A. Big Social Progress in Mississippi guys as reported earlier, the old Mississippi flack which featured a confederate flag is out and the new flag. We shall see right now the leading design features a giant mosquito with stars around it. Did you see us a went viral. That's not really leading designed. Either Just highlighting the mosquitoes well apparently. So the guy was the guy that submitted is a twenty six year old Mississippi resident and also a yeah Z. River deckhand So he gets bit by mosquitoes all the time names Thomas Rosette. And apparently was meant as a joke but Garner, quite a bit of support online went kind of super viral and you know could be good i. mean you know? It's a joke I mean, he submitted is a joke right but it really people like it. A lot of people really like because they got big skiers done it. More than three thousand mississippians have submitted potentially new or potential new designs for the flag, which ultimately will be determined by a nine member flag commission who recommend. Choose a replacement among the submissions. Guys were flags decorated with Gulf coast lighthouse sweet. Teddy bear right not as good kermit the FROG I don't know why they did that doesn't but those are some of the highlights. I have a few suggestions Magnolia tree AC- first one. This is my suggestion a healthy smile showing teeth like a mouth showing teeth because Mississippi ranks dead last in dental health at fifty one behind the other forty nine states and the district of Columbia. There's no better way to turn around bad press and promote good oral care than throwing a smiling. T smile on the state, flag. River. Close have a kid reading. Well. Eight in schooling you leave. Me alone leave alone whatever they do. They're going to put. It's clear. They're going to put the circle of stars around bar. The barstool effect is strong. Mississippi every flag barstool flag we shall see I'm interested to see Walker State flags are hilarious there Some of them are pretty double. Yeah I hope they go without line of Mississippi State, the State of Mississippi because you guys have seen that side by side of Brandon Brandon Walkers face and the outline of the state of Mississippi right now it's like almost identical it's great. Let's good. He's privacy. I like the Magnolia. House Magnolia River like you suggesting nolte. Healthy Tooth I. Want doing. Windy. Hey. Magnolia. Trees in real life because like the leaves are like leather and they're very Crappy to go over with the lawn mower but. That is the state. So you're saying as long as the flag doesn't have a real magnolia tree on it should be. Yeah. Then you shouldn't have. that. Image of tree I don't know much about flag-making will but that would I think it'd be complicated if it was real magnolias but so I think you're safe right guys as we've covered multiple times in the past week California's going through some shit wildfires fire NATO's the hottest temperature ever recorded on planet. Earth, not greats. In fact, the Lake Fire in Ventura California that will mentioned I believe yesterday that had zero percent containment astill is not contained very well and add this to the fire. There's a bull that the firefighters are calling Ferdinand, the bull that's charging and chasing after them down a hill when they're trying to fight the fire. So he's not leaving the area he's just remaining with the fire he is protecting the fire to. Tap He's panicking is what he's doing disagree with how they're doing it. Wondering why they're there and he's charging at them like. Fire is about twelve to fifteen percent contained now so better than zero and Ventura County, and the surrounding areas are expecting record breaking heat this weekend. So that's not great. Pretty soon, it's going to be fired tornadoes with instead of sharks going around them like shark no bulls with their horns on fire swirling around and taking people out in. California. So thoughts and prayers out there because that seems like a tough time. At least maybe those guys are just bring hamburger helper and make a meal out of it. But ready for the fall. Right. Allie come on the phone. It's not even like you gotta get. It's like and I think in southern California, it can go. Pretty far into the fall. Yeah. Yeah. It's so hot right now like you don't even need a cigarette brought to start a fire it's like the glint of a belt buckle at the wrong angle and. They need to get snow up in the mountains is what needs to happen. A month or two away from the belts trickle down. Yeah. 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It's an autobiography but eighty pages of our about how Dr Jill Biden, his first wife and vice former Vice President Joe Biden actually I hooked up and he says, it was at the demise of of his of his marriage with Jill didn't attorneys fixer didn't turn out so great for all Bill Stevenson. Yeah well, actually, I don't know we'll get into that. Will you be the judge at the end must picture he looks like Fatter Joe Biden must've told so many people that he he led at a doctor that must have been huge hamlet. Yeah. I don't think she was a doctor at the time. They were very young looks like Ron White. Yeah he does like a skinnier Taller Ron. White. It's definitely got the body demeanor of a drinker. He's definitely he's he's been. Yeah. Do this this dude parties in? Does he party? He's into it on a boat to one or one or two votes swear around an anchor he knows some non Selah wear and you'll see what he does for a living. He owns a few boats. Biden's tell their story Joe Saw a picture of Jill in March of Nineteen, seventy five after her marriage already fallen apart, and then they went on a date and have big blind date and have been together ever since but was at scratching thick. That But Stevenson claims. That he and his wife Jill at the time. Joe Biden in Nineteen, seventy two. So bill and Jill were married in nineteen seventy and then they say they met he says, they met Joe Biden and nineteen, seventy two when they both worked on. His first campaign. For Senate, he was a city council member at the time. or county council member at the time, and they worked on his first campaign for Senate when Joe is only twenty nine which he won. Crazy. Enough. So he won a few hills. He won a few things a heart or two. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they were. Working on his campaign. Both and Jill. One seven hundred persons working a little harder than the other by the way bill and Jill that gets a little old. So I can Seattle workout you. You'll see according to bill it's a happy separation. Jill, Bill, Jill Jill and bill. Come. Yeah. Also crazy to think Joe Biden won his first Senate seat when he was twenty nine, he is seventy eight. Also is one hundred years ago real tall drink water early fifty real handsome fellow if you're walking into a campaign office to volunteer with your young wife. To. Keep her away from the candidate twenty nine year old handsome son. That's true. That's true. But Stevenson that's true beef but Stevenson was also the kind of guy that I don't think he was worried about another fish coming along. So Stevenson claimed you know that that's how it went down. They actually met Biden and seventy two. At the time, Biden was married to his first wife Nia Nia I. Don't know how you pronounce that who died with their daughter Naomi in a car crash in between when he won the election win by took his Senate seat after after yet terrible after that happened Jill. Who had been married to bill since nineteen seventy like we said, she started taking care of Joe Son's bow and hundred more to help out. Close his good look nece to the absolute tragedy the emotion without then he wins the Senate seat. For build again just g looking. Out The sons. His well genetic sons. Probably Excelling at sports right in front of her eyes. gave her gave her a son Dylan number, s? She claims Jill claims it bill was busy partying with his business which he was club owner. So Stevenson Stevenson said he I suspected Biden and Jill. We're having an affair in August of seventy four when she started six when she started smiling more. Maybe he was twenty, six, twenty, three Joe is thirty one. And then he said quote one of her best friends told me she thought Joe and Jill. We're getting a little too close and. That's what she said like around that time, and then in October seventy four, he got confirmation when a auto repair shop. Informed him that Biden was driving his wife's car biden. Gender Bender with Jill with the other guys wife in the car and of course after that Stevenson was like, are you really sleeping with them? Yes. Kicked her out of the House and they got divorced she got married you don't have any seven. Another man's lawn. You don't know another man's law that is a bridge too. It's one thing to fuck. Another man's wife is another thing to fuck another man's wife and drive your car. Accident crashed his car. Yeah. Bill. Grant Joe's Lucky Still Alive Well, this is how he's getting back I think is making money off of their presidential run. So he says. It's not a bitter book I'm not bitter because if it wasn't for my divorce, I would have never met my wife Linda and she's the greatest thing in my life, but it does have facts in it that aren't pleasant to and Joe. Done did you say Dr Linda Will? Yeah. No I would have never met Linda. Linda. Doesn't really matter because turns out bill is also a local legend in Delaware. He claims that this is just as autobiography about him and his famous club, the stone balloon which he founded and ran for the last entire time. Joe's been in politics. He was even a Biden donor and obviously helped him win his first Senate campaign and insist no way. Is this a cash grab against his cheating ex wife for Joe Biden who he also alleges Joe Biden writes shitty books that ended up in the bargain bin at Walmart so No axe to grind, but he did take a couple of parting shots. And is writing a book about you want to show you a book. Guy. is obviously trying to show everyone like how Joe Biden and really is that like the end goal here like hey, he's. Your wife's He's capitalizing I mean this is I know that but. I think about it like okay. When you're this age, he's trying to get to do it again he's trying to be a local king right in thinking about how much your local prowess is going to go up. Now he's marriage there's local tail probably in the same, but we'll have to now you have to choose Biden or Stevenson. For sure you can't. You can't both. Think. Beef and I think it's similar like he's already sodas wild oats, right? He's all he's not trying to get local tale anymore. We're saying like at this point, he can embarrass themselves and make a ton of money doing it. I think it's not so much the money like he won't he. You know look this guy wakes up in the morning on a Saturday gets in his F one, fifty drives around Wilmington grabs a cup of Joe. He wants to be big Bill Stevenson's what he wants to. Do you think anything gives a flying Fox about this story? Honestly and this book? Probably the wrote the book sounds actually Wants to make money and making money off this thing is definitely going to make money off the thing. We're talking about it. Anyone's GonNa. Sure Joe. Biden. stolas wife. He's not sure it's mostly about his illustrious career west. He's going to release it yet. He's just. Interviews that say. It's called God damn. How Joe Biden Deep Dick my wife and a clever. Balloons got got to be about money see beef because why would you come out and claim to be the Joe? Biden. Away, my sorrows for thirty years wanting to write this book and finally did this guy this guy looks like he's using Carell word processor to write this book I, mean I saw. Dedicated. I'm might read it this Guy Larry Basically. Be Interested in his life, and now he has to throw in the Biden thing to make it make his life interest. I think he's trying to take them out I think Linda Biller like Joe Jill Hot Shit but actually here comes the book forward and we're going to make money off of it. Linda. Exactly. It's out such a political story taking it to the Internet from some political takes from the heart factor interns unrelated to that story in turn Bubba. Let us know that the student government president at the University of North Alabama is named Tate. Goose. Shout Out Gooch for having a hilarious name. Also shout all the hard work buffeted on those don Jr. videos and clip downs check those out if you have not already. Intern Cam US know that governor Cuomo of new new. York is writing a book about how good he did with covert spoiler alert. He had the highest death rate of any governor by a country mile and nobody will ever catch up the. Post embarrassing book to Bill Stevenson's. Komo. GOING TO BE CONTROLLING CUOMO. Delta. Tough hand he was dealt a real tough hand with he's still had the worst death rate ever nobody's GonNa catch him but he has a little bit of a different scenario because he has an epicenter of the most condensed popular. We also send in people to nursing that fucked up I'm not saying that wasn't fast probably a big mistake to the highest death rate. Ever I'd say quantum all camp and to Santa are my top three douchebag governors for probably shouldn't write a book about it. Right yeah also I think the Lincoln Project May actually kill Intern Cam by November keep an eye on. For, the war being waged to expose the Lincoln Project as social media vultures says, Campbell Lincoln. Constant I love Nonstop Nonstop Finally Intern Patricia Sin and quite the campaign ad from. Republican. Challenger. For Congress in Baltimore Kimberly. Classic I. Think She's missing out but not going by classic with. Spelling. She did this like it's a Republican who's challenging and Baltimore She's challenging illogic coming spot. So she's definitely not going to win, but it's an amazing campaign average. She walks through like really run down Baltimore neighborhoods and is like Hey Democrats have been in charge here for fifty three years look what it actually looks like and it makes you think, I, mean it's a good ad but I don't think it's going to go anywhere I. Don't think she's GonNa Win Elijah Cummings probably, very safe in his seat but since we're talking about racist, let's talk about what we should on at predict it right now. So go to. Predict Dot Org Slash Promo Slash Heart factor twenty to get your first twenty bucks matched in the stock market of politics. I would not bet on Kimberly classic I don't think that market is even available because she's not GonNa win also keep your eye on the women in the Republican Party overall lots of good ones coming up. I don't know she might. It's nice to see a young woman of color running on the Republican ticket I. It's Nice to see just blurring of lines of what you think any political party is or should be or what the rivers because I feel like both parties have gotten out of fucking wack. So it's IT'S Refreshing. For For sure I like to see young people coming up in the ranks and I think we're starting to see on both sides. And let's talk about some locks though I think some locks today at predicted. So. We'll biden drop out before eleven one. No, the the no is at only like eighty four cents right now and it's dropping. It's getting cheaper to buy it because people think. I'm I. Don't know why. He's going to drop out dollar. Eleven want or will he be? Of the state that's this is the thing with predicted people bet with their with their hearts, not their heads. This is. Republicans being like Hell Yea. He's GonNa die he's an right but definitely not like to make it a few months just just by the no, it's free fifteen cents right there also I think. So we're talking locks today. If you look at this map I issued the by order on Texas Iowa along time ago they're still only at seventy six and seventy two cents respectively for the Republican Party to win in November I do not think that either. Of those states is going to go to Biden and I think that's very safe. You're below eighty cents at least like twenty five percent markup on your investment. It's only going to take two months to pan out. Agree those are some locks in my opinion I remember go to predict it dot org slash Promo Slash Heart factor twenty to get your first twenty bucks matched on us in the stock market of Politics we're going let's flat through these boys All, right guys what the fuck is going on in. New. Mexico you guys know what's going on Mexico? nope. No. Hopefully activity apparently a new study long long studies. This happened for a while New Mexico has the worst drunks in the country by a lot. If you go by how many alcohol related deaths they have I was GonNa say what West Virginia would like. A. Word. That yeah true. The new goes crushing everyone. So since Nineteen eighty-one, New Mexico's alcohol related death rate has ranked first second or third in the US with rates consistently at nearly twice the national rate for like two decades so. They just thought they. They like to drink and they die more from it. What are they walk off into canyons just like walking off a cliff I don't know what's going on down there. So factory. Asleep. Hills. Stuck in rocks. Score. One hundred twenty seven hours just. To help these guys, right no, no water. I don't know. Factoring into those death-row alcohol related health problems like liver, cirrhosis, and alcohol related injuries such as motor vehicle crashes, poisonings falls, homicide, and suicide. Aka Mental Health. So out of one, hundred, thousand people almost fifty three die from alcohol in New Mexico. The national average is around twenty seven. So. They'll. Pretty much double it. The CDC use data from the Alcohol Related Disease Impact Application Report. The A are is a measure of total deaths associated with alcohol use including those for other causes of death row involved. So according to one chart I saw real. Was the worst hit county with one hundred, twenty, six deaths not sure what you're was though but real reba literally means upper river not sure of uppers play a part, but it's bad there. So. Yeah. Just take it easy. Mexico. We love you I. Wonder if the the initial reservations come into play there, that's people that have a story difficulty with alcohol could be. Lot reservations in TOSCA. Tough. Train out there. Also, we're idiots direct show means right and spinach Spanish. I knew a square he's Allah. A skier does left dementia or direct show the male. Version of its right so we will. Cain was saying I just hate the direction right against the hurricane blew from left to right in Iowa and I who knows sorry about that thing about Iowa this was from member Joe Cusak guys. Everything's got remote and digital network is remote school is remote policing is now remote, specifically remote policing remote school, and in Henry, county schools in Georgia police had a serious warning for their students the other day because apparently horny highschool pranksters have in streaming porn in the virtual classes and according to a post made by the police departments facebook quote we're twenty four hours in and I am over it. Day. One. Kids have done it. A lot of kids breath lot of kids. Were No. Okay. So when we first started covering the story talk about the story, you guys thought it was people watching Porno. It's kids. Piping Porn into the classroom. That's what it is. I kind of figured. It was one of the to isn't that a suspension? Oh, it's could be a lot more than that mark because these students are young, they're underage they're trading new L. somebody. SkySurfer. Boss obser- was like what if you're not so popped out, that would be awesome for felony like that's well know how much of a crime significantly more. William when dealing with photography. So Child. Porn. T. Tactically I, guess it's not child porn. If you're if you're sixteen, you're setting a new to another sixteen year old but. It is actually under the law and it's technically possessing child porn and it's fucking real bad. The Post to say students if you stream pornography in an online class myself and the Henry County Georgia Sheriff's Office will find you and charge you with life altering charges. So only know exactly even if it's not underage porn, maybe it's exposing porn to minors, which is bad bad even if you are a minor. They went on to say, this is not a joke. You could face manufacturing distribution of child pornography charges, child molestation charges, and you may have to register as a sex offender same threat they gave me literally. That sounds like shit that sounds like a two day suspension. WE'LL SEE Foreshore clean up something around town and then don't ever show pornographic. Worth the giggles to it's it's like less. It's more risky than passing around a Nudie and actual class because the teacher can see who it is, and there's a fucking digital paper trail. They're recording the Goddamn class like I don't understand what the fuck these people are thinking cluster logging under like random names. Don't care if they get caught why can't just claim your hacked? Their kid goes I guess on Monday guys the first virtual classes there was an incident it's not clear how many students were involved this incident. But they wanted to say we're seeing students logging on their phones and Shit, doing a screen share from there or just holding their. Up to their Webcam and strap. They. On the zoom wait out. These. People doing like. Funny names like Hugh Janus like stuff like that as well. Because it was dealing with monitors are pretty limited details here but I absolutely imagine but like I mean I wish you. On this class. But everyone's year but Jerry. But we have a new student huge anus. Like. It's pretty easy to figure out. Doing it. Definitely Jeremy Office over here you. Got A. Smell coming up later that's related to that. That's awesome. Hey, mark. Mark Real quick before we get a bunch of Shit for tomorrow the ratio is actually a definition its origins Spanish and it means a line of intense widespread in fast-moving windstorms and sometimes thunderstorms moves across great distance. Light damage, windstorm. Style of store, but also to think direct. Google deresh is Right and that's the female. and. Then you can also say the retro, which is the male age. So maybe they're both spill but good tactical covered our basis there i. think it's probably your definition when they're talking about a hurricane. Yes. Wills taking the day off from the space corner today and I'm filling in as two different. John's one with an h and one without Cintas. A few crazy space stories I up from John Danger Holyfield. You Might WanNa earmuffs on well, my one. K Space I WANNA. Hear. Okay. There's a mysterious heartbeat that has been discovered in a cosmic space gas cloud. Heartbeat the clouds. Yeah Look I mean why? Why? Why do you think? I this is this isn't surprising to me. I'm not ready for it. No. Yeah. The cloud seems to be beating to the rhythm of a black hole that one hundred light years away from it. In fact, scientists were looking through ten years of data of humongous black hole and a giant star thirty times the size of our sun and that star rotates the black over thirteen days and what happens is every time it gets to the one part of the black hole like stuff going down A. Sink the black hole sucks material a little bit of material from the star each time, and it sucks it into the black hole with an and also shoots outs to jet streams and opposite directions have McCarthy that same rhythmic heartbeat has been found in this cosmic gas cloud, which is very, very far away from the black hole at confusing the shit out of scientists which they said finding such an unambiguous connection via timing about one hundred light years away from the micro Quasar, not even along the direction of the jets is as unexpected as amazing. It's don unexpected. If you've seen the movie interstellar, it basically proves the interstellar is correct. It's terrifying. But yeah, I want to say about how the black hole power the guys clouds heartbeat is unclear to us. No Shit. Lee We don't even know what's at the bottom of. Deep under the earth, it doesn't surprise me. You can't explain a heartbeat gas cloud one hundred light years away. That's. Because time is a full circle. Yeah. I'm the I'm beginning to think they're just telling us this stuff just to see what we will actually report on or because I don I don't believe I don't believe tenth of this should anymore it's like so yesterday. Yeah yesterday's at my girlfriend's house and I thought I heard dogs like fighting and at and at all it was was like the air conditioning sounding like that the more I got close to it like there's no way they can tell this is a heartbeat in some cosmic fucking year Wesley. Ou'd. Thousand your you're when you heard it there you heard the dog story they're not trained scientists. So there's a little different than you thinking that the dogs were fighting I think it's kind of similar. No one knows what's going on their next up This one next up from another John John Without a h or little job he's space truth or. Didn't scare you. Maybe this one will because it's on earth the essay of heard of it. Now No, you haven't. It's the South Atlantic Anomaly which is a strange anomaly in the earth's magnetic field that NASA tracking it causes much less magnet magnetism in the skies outer space in the area of from South America to South West Africa and the portion of between, which is the Atlantic Ocean. Yeah. It's actually fucking was satellites that fly over that area even in. Outer Space. It causes the satellites function and sometimes just completely wipes their data. It's referred to as a pothole in space and scientists say it affects piece more than life on earth. But last time I checked there haven't been a lot of direct flights from south, America to Africa ever in fact, I think there are zero or maybe one sal Paulo to Yoahan's Berg. Might exist might not but you can't fly from the fucking south of America to Africa over the Atlantic. Ocean can't do as people need to just connect the dots a little bit and understand that the black holes the magnetized would create the F. R.. And then this new heartbeat are controlling the dead spot. That's probably where the aliens are going to show her right. I'm with you. Well, it's closer to that than the flat authors who use this route where there's no flights from here to here as the Earth's flat no you small-minded simple tens it's more to do with outer space. Some pavilion. Or something that exists on earth a monster. Like that can affect fucking satellites in outer space that fly over the Atlantic and I. Think the monster doesn't have a base already under the sea under the ocean. Floor. Stools are saying that the reason there is no direct flight is because there's not enough demand. Oh Yeah Okay have you like what? Huge, fucking cities in South America, there's huge cities in Africa you're seeing these millions of people that exist in these cities don't want to travel give me a fucking break anyways is. The magnet, the magnetic anomaly coming from the earth's core is it that that that can scramble satellites and space? I imagine they would cause some issues on planes flying much closer to it as well. As saw said, that was aliens I mean I imagine if it's destroying satellites and space, it would fuck up a airplane maybe that's why they're not flying over there and what exactly is causing the anomaly is. A huge reservoir of dense rock called the African large low shear velocity province located below the African continent, which is aided by the tilt of the planet's magnetic access that disrupts the swirling ocean of molten iron inside the Earth's outer core that mass general electrical currents that create what we know as Earth magnetic field or wants or what guys only accessible through an underwater entrance raises controlled by the monster so. l.? S.. VP. Oh good news. The Essay is moving northwest and guess what's in the Northwest West Pat West path of it North America. Yeah and not only is it moving northwest, but it's splitting to so to space potholes to FAA's so good luck going. To us. This is alien. Can we get the eagles almost get the bald eagles to do something about this they need to go underground. Well, the BALD EAGLES ARE GONNA be in trouble because I heard that the alien started tracking Americans after we dropped the nukes and so. Yeah there. There's something thousands of kilometers. Underneath the Atlantic Ocean near Africa and it's coming this way. Okay. Well I'm I'M GONNA. Go ahead I'll I'll just be optimistic all just hoping that at least. Don't get killed. Slow right. He had scored slow. Okay. So. Glad I'm not a scientist were. Sleep honestly. Yeah. Really. Well, they probably think that like well, these aren't aliens. There's actually some type of chemical explanation for thanks a lot John. Go to sleep yeah. Right, it's moving out of voicemails and reviews I up for. Alex. Schneider. Oh Beef he says that maybe handyman will needs to take over pool boy pats website since boy pats not making house. How do you know I'm not making house calls? How do you know that? Omitted for one and not you making house calls. I got a lot of requests. Pat The POOBAH DOT com like a lot and I can. Do my handyman my handyman skills are are burning a hole in those beige come down here to Texas. We go over to his house and do some some schools time wait why yeah. Well I mean I'll yeah, I'll check that. He's crafty single housecall beef. Divert I mean I. There's a strict confidentiality agreement on my website and I can't go. This is a big note this this also begs the question that intern cam acids a few weeks go is a hard factor combine in the works because there was the there was the pop culture off we could. We could do quizzes about news topic sperm. Count offering. Poultry I'LL ADD POOL CLEANING TO IT HEY Leandra man we can do electrical wiring little man skills. I think we might need a man skills plus body com. We're GONNA have to bring in a different thing for mark like like some sort of cognitive problem solving. Jason tests don't worry of athleticism. I'll be able to dust you in. So you can. You can build your little wooden boxes sadness to cry after. I beat you can build your time machine throwback. Carpenter. Sleep. All right. Are we do are we going to do the sperm thing because God is the most logical and realistic thing that? And motives meal HQ Today and figure out where the fuck sperm is. No. No. I think that we need to also expanded a little bit and you're going to have to you're gonNA have to stool Sammy's corona style. We're going to have to submit some numbers for what we do. Sperm, I can't wait any longer. So I'm sending mine in and I'll hold onto my results. The results in any time. You January if you've been waiting this whole time you. Know Let's figure it out. Yeah, yeah figure that out. I. Actually sets up the first perfectly this first one comes from Colt in Iowa. Hey there fellas Colt from Iowa was listening to last weeks episode about marketing. Pat Possibly wanting to fight. I wanted to say I would absolutely buy pay per view for that and more importantly I would love to be your guys Bruce Buffer type announcer. Here's my dishing. Ladies and gentlemen we've had a green card here. Tonight, we're brought to you by CBD companies some sperm testing companies and some political betting companies. I don't want to say names because I don't know if I'm allowed to. We are live from a backyard somewhere in Austin Texas for the undisputed. Weight Championship of the. Old. Line fighting the red corner at the waiting amid hundreds of the age of fifty three years old into Soviet red source. It's Patrick the. Taxi. And fighting of the blue corner wearing black shorts trying to conceal his Boehner at the weight and same facial hair of us. Small Bear. The crazy caq. Man. Morgan. FELLAS. fucking lutely. Thousand Tense. Age advantage sweet ages not on the beef side. Fifty three. Guy was an incredible on. fucking piece of Shit doesn't even listen to the show said one nasty thing when I was in between looks about me being old and it's just I'm okay. All right. Yeah. Okay. I mean just just own it and then announcing. Okay unfortunately you got. You know you reach that Shaggy Grey mid look point and somebody just. Like old bill. Stevenson. POPs. On a couple of boats. Like it. Thousand Green intro he added the job has the job. The. Job I will I will definitely fly down to Austin. If we're going to get some kind of competition going on whether it's just the beef and mark and that and that epic showdown or wherever we do that that will be awesome. I think we should try to find the budget to get you in there to announce so. All right moving into law. We got ally in Wisconsin with an excellent question. Hey, this is Eli from Wisconsin and I was watching. DNC. With my roommate and. Live like at all and We think you guys or at least your spots predicted it would be. What do you think the line and is the Joe Biden speaks alive for the DNC year not or is it GONNA be recorded? We just let me know. Not a chance in hell. His campaign staff has any brains it's prerecorded undoubtedly like. In all seriousness guys, we bust his balls up about potentially being cognitively disabled. We can't really say that because there's not like firm data but I'm guessing that they're probably GONNA try to protect him from speaking live in any way shape or form like I don't know if you noticed he started a podcast that he was going to carry three to three episodes of his podcast three and. He he has had a stutter like he has stuttered and stuff like that. He has. He's old I mean I don't think he. Denied that his oral speaking skills probably are not as good. I went back and watched seventy would compete against So I mean that's just I mean. Whatever side of the you're on I think that. You know it's Joe Biden. Zo is going to be grab your popcorn. If by the marked, you mean keep it hidden as possible. Yes. Right, the market price on that I'd say would be like ten cents that he would speak live because. Like. The guys just said, they definitely want to conceal that as much possible plus they already set the precedent with like Michelle, Obama share. Weeks should probably just tell her speech again and. Would not a bad idea. But we'll. We'll see who takes home the best speech. They're all be record Joe Joe Biden. If you listen to the stuff from the DNC like the voiceover work, it's very punched up like it is so punched up you can tell like it's not he did not speak those full since. You could tell is like when you start editing. You start noticing like what little edits are using his pot it is chopped the fucker his audio is always. Heavily edited luckily for us we're so good that we don't have to edit that much because it takes a while takes long. Long time we got time for that. All right last voicemail I'm pretty sure listeners. Name is Ryan She's in Dallas. She. Left left us to voice mails. Probably both from the car on different days she insulted our TV tastes on one that I'm not going to play said, we need to give Zach Ephron a better a fair shake. But Fair Enough Ryan but here's here's her question. People with China's gives Akra from much more of a fair shake. I. Guess I don't feel bad for second for. For South. I absolutely it's Orioles. Journalists as well. I think. Incredibly. Knowledgeable. The News Tubby Ted. Blake growing up I. Know You guys have been forever by all March and? Have hard juggling guys, birds. COOL GIVE IT and I. Don't. Like But I. Think He. Really. got. All right. So she ryan is a little hard to hear but she asked what were we like in high school because she has a hard time believing we were popular. which so she said that's what you say. Can you believe it? No offense said on bully. Ryan. Popular athletic good looking intelligent. That's that's your answer. Oh that that's mark. That's your desk description of myself. Yes. Okay. I describe will because I'm not going to trump will was very well liked he was a three sport athlete he was. Fantastically. Gifted. He was in the gifted programs and He was an athletic beast and he floated between all crews. L. was also a band and got the most musically inclined. Superlative. Ago. I should've gotten more homecomings I. Think I could. Your court that was good. I was I was a lowly like I was a lowly courtroom and mark was mark was the same great athlete very very. He came from the gifted program in elementary school. So you always had this kind of like nerd hang, but it was really fun to watch mark learn how to drive and get lost in our hometown. Actions. But he also final fantasy we weren't. We weren't the coolest cats but we were very well like we hung out on the wall is the second coolest. Middle of. The. Road. Group of like six groups we were like the second coolest group. Last week with years older than us. We weren't getting laid that we we were. We were all the parties but no one's digging us we were. Kinda half. Half we're getting late we had a lot of chances. What about? What about? What? About your crew? YOU'RE A couple years out of us. I mean I. You know I was captured the golf team I mean. What more can I say? No I mean I I had a girlfriend like junior senior year. So I was like you know I go to the parties with the people but I I was less wild because I was a little bit more tied down. But you know I I was friends with all the guys that were hanging out on the wall and all that good stuff. But I had I had a much smaller core group so I kind of bounce around to. These looking for picture of us. Oh, I'm looking for. That's Most improved Golfer, nineteen, ninety-seven, a word. That's exactly right. We got his Herndon Hornets Sportsmanship Award One thousand nine hundred eighty eight. Nice guy so that was we were all the three West will mark all big time athletics pat more in the. Drama class, clown drama, and Music Zone. 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Derek Black and Matthew Stevenson  Befriending Radical Disagreement

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Derek Black and Matthew Stevenson Befriending Radical Disagreement

"On being is brought to you by the John Templeton Foundation harnessing the power of the sciences to explore the deepest and most perplexing questions facing humankind to learn more subscribe to their newsletter possibilities and discover the Work Templeton supports on topics from curiosity and kindness to evolution black holes and and the origins of life sign up at Templeton dot org forward slash possibilities. I'd heard Derek black the former white power or era parent interviewed before about his past but never about the friendships that unfolded over two years with other people in their twenties that changed him mm-hmm. David Duke was Derek Godfather Derek designed the kids page when he was eleven for what is known as the first major Internet hate site which his father created created and still leads but after Derek's ideology was outed in his first year at New College in Florida one of the only Orthodox Jews on Campus Matthew Author Stevenson invited him to Chabad dinner what happened next is a roadmap for navigating some of the hardest and most important territory of with our time. It wasn't just I'm angry and you're angry. Once we were quiet enough to talk about it there there were points to be made that white nationalism was was incompatible with a free society and it wasn't the first time I had heard. That wasn't the first time that somebody told me that racism is bad. It was just the first I saw that I've been willing to listen to it. I think it's also worth pointing out that over those two years I was legitimately friends with Eric. Even when I frankly didn't know I'm Krista Tippett and this is on being I interviewed Derek and Matthew together at the invitation of the United States Holocaust memorial museum in a room that included in many Holocaust survivors the world in which Derek Black was raised hold multiculturalism responsible for pressing white people in their own country and conspiracy of Jewish power behind this which makes it all the more remarkable that Matthew Stevenson's response to learning about Derek's ideology was to text doc stem and ask. What are you doing this Friday night new to knew each other right were you in the same dormitory? We live downstairs from me and I would sing along when he played country and Western songs on his guitar poorly I might add but nevertheless uh when the news broke people many people not everyone many people I saw treating Derek very poorly. I mean trying to make life as miserable as possible. Oh I think maybe a misguided attempt to change the situation and that time I had been hosting these Chabad dinners in my dorm room every Friday night along with my close friend Moche ask and we spoke about it and decided that there was an opportunity we knew the Derek had grown up in a white nationalist family early amongst white nationalist royalty so to speak and probably didn't know any people from the backgrounds that his ideology despised so for that reason tonight decided along with Moshi to invite Derek tecom Derek. was there a religious background in your childhood. I haven't read anything about Ah no both of my parents were raised by a Protestant Christians and both of them became atheists when they were teenagers. Here's an college. I was raised by atheists with a strong enough conviction that I was sent Sunday school when I was a kid and I remember asking my dad for years later boom whom you know what was the incentive for that because I had enjoyed it a lot. I got awards for Memorizing Bible verses and he said it was because I wanted you to be familiar with religion religion so that later on you couldn't say I had kept it from you and you would understand that atheism made the most sense you you know i. I guess I wonder how question I wonder. was there something in that formation of your childhood or or perhaps something in your that rebelled against that formation. Perhaps that you weren't yourself even so that you would never recognize that led you to say yes to this invitation to have shebab dinner. I don't know I think think it's significant that during those couple of years when I kept coming back to Matthew's show bought dinners we always avoided talking about the elephant in the room. You Know My activism Bola we did talk about was religious studies not not just personal conviction but just the idea of religions around the world. I think that was one of the main point we talked about. We're both very curious about it and I don't know what it means. I definitely was not leaning towards becoming yeah theus. I still am not I studied divinity in graduate school as a curiosity is only I find interesting for humanity and I don't know exactly what it means. Actually that is is one of the main things we talked about for years when we were sort of trying to avoid talking about harder stuff so we talked about religion and you know it does strike me that you know what your father started storm front which has been called the first major Internet hate eight site and I wonder would you have described it as a hate site when you were growing up and you know the the same way that the community he would never use the word racist say absolutely not racist because that means bad person and we're not bad people we don't hate and do we don't dislike we're just interested in preserving our own and that sort of language would never happen within the movement itself. Would you even say that that's the way you thought about what was going on to yourself or within the community would you think of I hate as being what it was about. No no no it was purely in the sense that there is an opposition in in mainstream society to this clearly biologically true incorrect and socially correct ideology and so they come up with insult select the word racist and hate and the the job of an activist is to sidestep and point out the hypocrisy of them using this word hate and it's not something that people people attributed to themselves or think that others are correct to use it. Our motivation was much more focused on each other other there are people within the movement itself and going to events and seeing each other and reinforcing that you believe this and I believe this and it's us against the world and if we don't advocate this no one else will and almost all the mental space was devoted to that trying to talk to other people all who believe in the white nationalist ideology and reaffirm that we're in this together and very little mental space was actually spent went on anybody else and even worrying. If what we're advocating has a negative impact on anyone else because we were so convinced that it was right for us and for the world and and there was no possibility that that wasn't true so what would have looked like hate mongering to someone else for you was inside the community was almost a byproduct of that focus on the US I think so I actually have experienced one of the people who I met at Matthews Chabad dinners at one point actually agreed to come to WHO seminar that I had organized she was completely opposed. Nationalism thought the idea was horrendous but we had actually been having these quiet conversations sons and she wanted to see if the way that I explained it to her in private look the same as when I was trying to explain it to fellow people and after that debriefing and saying what what did you think was one of the first instances where I could look at it and say that calling this hate actually really kind of makes sense because afterward she said why are all these people here are so focused on denying the Holocaust. Why are these people so focused on a Jewish conspiracy conspiracy in America? What does that have to do with loving your own? That's hate and I didn't have a good answer I i. I not really sure why they're so focused. On denying the Holocaust ever happened it clearly happened and why is that so intrinsic to the ideology Asia and that led to some conversations where I started seeing things from a different perspective that I hadn't when I was growing up when I was just talking to people for whom that was totally normal I'm Krista Tippett and this is on being today a public conversation with Derek black once a white nationalist era parent and and Matthew Stevenson whose friendship brought him beyond that when i read about the two of you your friendship in this story I feel like it's this linear thing. I'm that you grew up the way you did. You went to college and were exposed. Matthew invited judicial bought and then you disavow your background and right this rather famous article for the Southern Poverty Law center what I feel gets skipped over or these these two to three years when for a time you were still doing that radio show I think and you were still going to ship out dinner on Friday night and that this friendship French ship and this human connection that there was this time involved. There's something also really impressive to me. You were away an upperclassman was doing research project discovered your activities online and sort of posted that for the community to see look who's in our midst and you know this is very much in the face of what we hear about college campuses now where all you can imagine and I think we also only here very extreme versions of what happens but you know it sounds like there was a real dialogue that went on and of course there were people who were alarmed but I mean you described that there were also people writing and saying out out loud online right away whereas it you know it's not going to affect anything if we just ostracized Eric so there was this discernment which feels very sophisticated to me and does that strike the two of you now as you look back because I think this is really important intelligence for the rest of vest figure out. How does something like this happen on a college campus in turn out this way but also there was that investment of time and relationship that you made Maine so I'll start? It's I think spot on the money that it's easy to gloss over the fact that between the time Derek was I invited one of the Chabad dinners and the time that really I had any real awareness that his views on white nationalism had changed it was about two years apart. That's two years of every week coming over spending hours receiving frankly a lot of criticism of other people on the campus not everybody would certain people on the campus for what I was doing colluding friends who had been coming to these dinners previously and stopped coming because they didn't. I don't WanNa be around Derek it. Did some people start coming again or did they make those dinners change to some extent. The makeup of the dinners changed but I think that over over time there were certainly people I can dig specific examples where people who had initially been so vehemently opposed eventually. Let's say slowly warm to the idea. I think that one thing is you mentioned before the fact that it might have been easy for me to feel threatened or victimized is D- in some ways I felt like I had a unique opportunity because of my relatively visible identity to to be able to extend a hand in a way that students a Catholic student might not have been able to do in the same way because it might look in some sense that he was supporting and the ideology that was being proposed of. I think most people were reasonable. Even the people might critics a white nationalist so in people on campuses today have different backgrounds and not everyone has the same opportunity set but I think the fact that someone is. Let's say the one that's extensively victimized by the ideology may give them a unique perspective an ability to actually reach out and to be that bridge person yes and obviously with the qualification that you you were not physically threatened by Derek right like Derek was not a violent person in and so no no I mean for whatever he was about that could could be reprehensible and so that that that would be a boundary but but in this case I think it's counter intuitive but very interesting again intelligence social intelligence that a person who looks like you know who actually had had an identity that that was most opposed could also be that step into that uncomfortable place and you mentioned this before. You didn't those dinners were not. You didn't talk about white nationalism like the conversation was not about what you did this week. You talked about superficial official easy things like religion and in fact we I remember the first time that was invited over. I was very explicit with people that at this was not ambush Derek time this was not some opportunity to yell at him for the wrong is of his beliefs because I knew that he would first of all he'd spent his whole life defending this ideology I didn't spend my whole life attacking the statistics and other things that they built their ideological convictions on as the consequence. I knew that shouting at them or at least I felt that shouting at him. It's something like that or having anybody else at the table do so we just immediately put him on defensive and and he'd never come back so I was very that people were not to discuss his background at the table or the white nationalist more generally it so you know you say it in such a matter of fact way I mean I feel like right now in our country. We forget that if we really want people to change. I think that it has never happened in human history that somebody changed because someone else told them how stupid they were. What was that experience like for you? I mean you must have wondered also when you first went are are they going to grill me about this. So we'll put on this. I think I was less worried about being grilled than what actually happened where I wasn't sent grilled and had to spend ultimately years of really enjoyable time among people who the fact that I was friends with them was contradictory to my world view and that was a lot more uncomfortable than had been grilled because I had a background doing media interviews since I was twelve years old where people say how do you believe in hate and I had crime statistics and accused statistics extend the history of American white supremacists statements from the founding fathers and other things like that that tend to confuse people people when a fourteen year old explained to them why all the racist should be separated. I was pretty comfortable with that position like I thought it was important and I knew how to do it and and if it had been a big argument I would have had statistics I would have missed used social science and I would have not changed their mind and not change change my own mind but I would at least known what was going on. I think the real thing that happened where I was just added Shebab dinner here for two years and I had to say well. I think my ideology is very anti Semitic this dinner though that's that's that's conflict yeah I was thinking as I was preparing to interview the two of you about other conversations. I've had and you know or just like I was speaking with somebody earlier this year about Hannah Arendt who of course had to leave Germany Ado and covered covered the trial of I find Andrew slammed she had all kinds of really big ideas about the importance of friendship like friendship especially when times are hard and deliberative friendship as political work as societal work that should that could be everyday practice in classrooms and in schools and I was reading Elisha Weisel writing. My father was a builder of bridges across generations. He valued friendship as an ideal. He'll above all others so I think there's quite a lineage for this thing. You've experienced very serious in no way as much as it has was also clearly. It's also worth pointing out over those two years. I was legitimately friends with Derek. It was not some sabotage project or I was going undercover or something I mean I was legitimately felt like I was especially over time Carterton -mongst my closest friends even when I frankly didn't know exactly where he stood and you weren't asking its first as I mentioned and I was afraid that if I were to ask that the defenses would go up and at the end of it later on after two years it's a little locker given play games because he knew that I knew and I knew that he was so so there would be awkward things. I screwed with him once at this conference that he mentioned. I knew he was doing it so I asked. What are you doing this weekend going to see some families aware so little cat and mouse game and my answer was I'm going to family reunion which was not untrue my entire family what what else was going on well? It was a seminar that I had founded the year before in response to being outed at New College. I I had been very uncomfortable with the fact that so many people at this college really detested what I was representing even though I thought it was super correct so in response to that the first year I had Organiz this seminar up in in the mountains of Tennessee where people were small group we come together and we would talk about the best ways to argue with anti-racists racists and to convince people that white nationalism is correct and this was a year later after that initial one and I was a lot less certain what I believed believed and I was going back to it for the second sport so what happened is that you never made the Chabad about dinners never became conversations about white nationalism but then gradually over a period of time in my understanding Derek individuals would bring something up with you and you and I don't know you also feel like you. Are you handle this so well and feels like the campus handle it well so so you would end up up taking a walk with somebody and they would say I really want to understand this and that started a different level of conversation. The people I met at the Chabad in particular one person who did the brunt of all this labor of listening to me explain this ideology and what all is my evidence forward and why am I so convinced this is true and then doing the labor to say you are misusing crime statistics. Here's how statistics six works and having that sort of conversation happened sort of naturally it was from meeting at the dinners but then being on a small campus and doing things things like let's go down to the bay to watch the sunset and just spend time as people and eventually it becomes sort of awkward that we've never talked about that you believe in reprehensible political ideology and you're advocating something terrible and you seem kind of Nice. How do you reconcile all that and you knew each other well enough that they could actually say to you that way because it was lower stakes than being on an interview AFOR MSNBC or something it was not that I had to make my points and try to get some converts it was that I trusted this person? I like this person I respected. This person and I wanted to explain why I think this is correct because it's clearly correct If you don't want to accept that it's true. That's you know decision a decision you can make but it's an uncomfortable truth and that was the position I was coming from and explaining that to trusted friend in private where I'm not trying to score points aints didn't seem like it was a danger to my belief system because that was foundationally true. I entered it thinking that I I was just talking to a friend and then a couple years later came out the other end realizing that everything I believed about human nature was totally incorrect and what do I do do about this now. So those those two years also and I I do feel like I'm belaboring all these points but I feel like this is kind of a step-by-step by step right because what also happened that you're describing that nobody was charting was that you got to a point where when you trotted out your arguments that you were so skilled in and so comfortable with but it did actually become a conversation you were actually able well to listen to a different way of seeing even those arguments that felt so so clear to you I wanted to be as someone who used evidence and believe something because it was demonstrable not because it was some gut feeling and if the way we were using thing I q statistics from around the world was illegitimate because the Iq test is culturally norms and you can't go around the world giving it to people and say look. I've discovered the different intelligence of the races. If that's actually an illegitimate piece of evidence I didn't want to use it which is why at the time. I thought I'm becoming a better white nationalist. I'm becoming better at arguing this because I know understand how these things are being misused and it's only at the end where piece after piece after your piece is removed and all sort of left with is the fact that I think that I can be friends with Jewish students and with people of Color but my belief system says that they should all be removed from the United States and I don't have any any support for thinking that anyone is better better off all that is hateful ideology and like what do I do about my identity and my family. My future is all tied up in that that was true ruined. I needed active reactive for it and like what decision do I make. Now was a terrible crisis point. I just I just wanted to disappear never speak again but it was a whole nother conversation where decided with the same person decided i. I need to make a letter denouncing this. I can't just never be heard from so so is that series of conversations that then led to your writing the letter writing something public and my instinct was just the quiet and it was one last hard thing to realize that I had done too much damage in my activism to just be quiet quiet now after a short break more with Derek lack and Matthew Stevenson and you can find this show again in six of the libraries at on being dot org including civil conversations friendship and relationship and moral imagination nation we created libraries more fifteen year archive for browsing or deep diving by theme for teaching and reflection and conversation find this an abundance of more at on being dot org support for on being with Krista Tippett comes from the Fetzer Institute helping build the spiritual foundation for a loving world fetzer envisions a world that embraces love as a guiding principle and animating force for our lives a powerful love that helps us live been sacred relationship with ourselves others and the natural world learn more by visiting FETZER DOT org. I'm Krista Tippett and this is on being today. We're experiencing the anatomy of a friendship between two young men that is kind of roadmap for navigating some of the hardest territory of our time Derek Black grew up the era parent of a leading white nationalist family. David Duke was his Godfather Matthew Stevenson one of the only orthodox Jews on the campus. They both attended decided after Derek ideology was outed to invite him to dinner for two years. I spoke with Derek and Matthew at the invitation of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. DC You have recently been saying you you're at Georgetown not that long ago when you're saying pretty clearly now that civil dialogue and civil discourse alone is not the answer to those energies and those ideologies that you were part of and I want to talk about that also they also feel like there's a there's an interesting interesting tension here not a contradiction but just like a human tension that you also say you know you wrote this. I would never have begun my own conversations without first I experiencing clear passionate outrage to what I believe from those I interacted with and yet as we've been speaking like that process of you being able to interact interact with them and take him at outrage was the seed that got you to that point so yeah but I would like to hear about how you are thinking these days it's about this line between in civility and outrage and activism. I worried you that my story gets told as a piece of evidence that the only way that you change people's minds as having friendly conversations with them win. It's clearly not true. It's essential that you speak up loudly and condemn condemn what happened it college. It wasn't just these conversations the context those conversations was that an entire community. If people that I had gotten to know for a semester before they knew who I was who I respected clearly had come to a very intelligent agent conclusion that what I was at game was was morally wrong was factually wrong and I found that very pleasant I didn't want to listen to it and it initially drove me to organize a seminar to try to make white nationalist be more confident in what they were believing at new college separately attended seminar but that context was just as important as the private conversations. I don't think I I have no idea but I don't think I would have talked my way out of out of this belief system without those private conversations with somebody that trusted in the same way that I wouldn't have ever entered into those private conversations if I hadn't had a community who were very clear that what I was doing was threatening to their our livelihood idiot. I was not personally engaged in any violent movement. All I had done was Goto hotel conferences and wear name badges and go to banquets and talk about race difference so I said how am I you know threatening anyone or making anyone's life worse off but that reaction that they had made me say clearly it's happening so why and that's why I went into those conversations and I I really worry that someone will hear the fact that I had quiet conversations over two years and then ultimately abandoned my ideology as proof that being loud and saying I don't I condemn that in my society is counterproductive when I don't think it is central to both right. It's both and I mean do you think you if without those yeah conversations with the outrage alone have brought you around the outrage alone would have made me a more firm adherent to being being away nationalist but the quick couldn't have happened without the outrage. I think from my perspective every message really has two components wants. There's the content of the message and then there's also the way in which that message is delivered and there's a difference between being aggressive and being strong. There's a difference between being vociferously opposed in this case to the white nationalist ideology and other hateful ideologies and taking steps to harm an individual who subscribed those ideologies even an ideology which is reprehensible as most of US probably all of us in this room believe white nationalism listen to be once you cross the line to say he's forfeited his rights as a human being is forfeited is right human dignity by virtue of having those beliefs. Maybe the Nazis that the Jews forfeited their rights to human duty by virtue of being Jews or does it end so to be strong no question it's important but there's a difference between being strong and violating the humanity of another person yeah. I feel like this is instructive to we live in a culture right now where hurt everybody's very comfortable with their outrage. Right was just my outrage against your outraged every side. I mean one thing that strikes me Derek Derek. Is that you something that is very different. In this equation is that you had taken yourself out of that US. In which you said was at the center of all the the ideology about others. You were there in the middle of the other right. That's actually a picture that is unfamiliar is becoming less familiar to us. I don't think I anticipated what impact not being around a bunch of white nationalists would have because I thought that I was independently minded and I think I am and being in an environment where people were not checking my ideological purity. Every five minutes turned out to be freeing enough where I could ponder oh what say what if this were not the case and thinking that way a is only possible when I was not among the people who were telling me to be stronger in the fight and keep giving them hell even at home when I I didn't I lived in south. Florida is a fairly metropolis urban diverse displays in even in that environment to when I was away from the House I could get support for white. Nationalism it was period. I got sort of semi famous at home and there was months that went by where I couldn't buy coffee at Dunkin donuts in the morning without some stranger in lion walking up to pay my Bill L. Because I was famous for advocating for white people and they just on some level thought that I was doing something good that it was opposing using political correctness and standing up white people when everybody else gets it up and they were just normal people and that kind of positive reaction was very encouraging thing and at new college there was none of that there was a sense that we need to think about this very carefully because this isn't and my outrageous versus your outrage this is that you advocating this white supremacy stuff which you say is just separation Asian but how could it be anything else is objectively harmful to everybody else and once we were quiet quiet enough to talk about it there there were points to be made on on not not on both sides but there were points to be made that white nationalism was incompatible with with a free society and it wasn't the first time I had heard. That wasn't the first time that somebody had told me that racism is bad. It was just the first time that I've you're willing to listen to it so I'm curious about conversations or not just conversations but how each of you works with this really transformative experience you've had and I do. I do think you are bridge people and how that flows lows into your interactions your conversations with other worlds right with with the progressive world or with the Orthodox Jewish world or or with I mean you. I believe you still have contact with your family. Is that right Are there things you learn that you carry with you. Through the world that you find help you soften other kinds of experiences. I don't know or not I don't. I don't think I know how to answer it. It's because I spent so so much of my time trying to figure out how I fit into this world the world of your that you came from or oh those new world outside of where I came from yeah I spend an inordinate amount of time trying to figure out what it means to have grown up confident in a belief system that one particular breaking moment in life I decided had not only been incorrect what destructive and what does that mean going forward word. And how do I approach being involved in anything else. Than how do I know that something I'm confident in now is is something that I should be an active voice in and how do I know that the words that I choose and the places that I go are not going to be destructive like they once were and like these are the where do I fit in the world is a question that I have to ask when I walk into a room. I'm thinking of the fact that I'm at a global issues forum for the Holocaust Museum in the background and the life that led me to stand there is still the very difficult for me to reconcile say. How did I get here and what does it mean? I think that for me from a very early age my my mom was very involved in a alcoholics anonymous and you know it's one thing to say that people can change but it's another to see see somebody who had been engaged in enormously destructive behaviors don only ceased doing those behaviors but do a complete about outface and actively help other people in the same situation that they had been actively try to make the world a better place and I think Derek's example and and those convince me beyond a shadow of a doubt that no matter how a deeply involved somebody is in a negative pattern of behavior or a negative ideology never in too deep. There's always a chance for redemption and I'm Krista Tippett and this is on being today a public conversation with Derek black once a white nationalist I era parent and Matthew Stevenson whose friendship brought him beyond that I said to you Derek before we walked out that I it feels kind of uncomfortable to me that you become a symbol that I wanted to talk to you you as a human being in the you know because you kind of even as you have rejected this you end up being drawn out as a representative of it. I be curious about out given what you've learned this Odyssey you've been on what would make in terms of how this is covered the world. Did you came from or this possibility of redemption. What do you feel would make this more possible in terms of how it's handled by journalists by academics next in our in public life or even for those of us just in our home communities in our in our congregations in our community organizations keep in mind that I come at my answer from the perspective of somebody who tried to be a good the white nationalist and to be very active voice in that and so my experience involves having Rolodex of media people that I've ah wanted to send an email to if I thought that there was something we were doing that should be story where the and if some some white nationalist activist wants to be in the news news there is a dynamic there where they can say I'm having a press conference and major press show up selling inflammatory and it gets covered and then we talk about it for a while and we're looking at that dynamic happened and realizing how easy that is how low cost it is makes me quite uncomfortable uncomfortable and it's also not so easy to say oh don't cover them because it is an aspect of America and it's maybe larger than and we like even though this movement itself is small and doesn't hold influence a lot of the beliefs can resonate in large large swath of America in ways that we don't like so we do need to be aware of it and you can't say you're not going to look at it? You can't say you're not going to talk about it and yet it's still true that every time a media cavalcade shows up to a white nationalist event it promotes their organization yeah and I I did that. They can still do that and it's a dynamic. That's going to keep going on so we just have a few more minutes and there's so much more we can talk about. I guess what is a mentality. What is a way we could begin to think a question we can begin to act small acts in the world that we can see in touch that would make it more likely more possible for someone to undergo the kind of transformation you've undergone crusher? It's too big but I the only lesson that I think that I took from my experience that I feel fairly universal is that it was grounded in empathy that the reason why I was not not willing to listen to the arguments that sound very straightforward that we should work towards inclusion not separation was because I didn't empathize with people who weren't part of my group and I thought I wasn't necessarily doing anything bad to them but it was also the priority was the people or the people who were within my in group and what changed was feeling that people who are not in my anger being negatively impacted by my actions uh-huh and that I should care about that and trying to reconcile that I should care about people who are negatively impacted by my actions and and I'm still doing the actions became very difficult and it really was empathizing with people who were not supposed to be part of my group increasing the number of people who were in my group that that's the universal thing that I think came out of what I learned from coming coming through that because it can everybody has in groups and that has very practical implications for everybody. I mean I I will say something. That impressed me. That seems seems to have gone on with the two of you and at new college is that while a lot of things happen online many people at different stages it took it off line. You know there was this mix of letting things unfold as they do in that space but also constantly pulling it back two one on one conversation shebab dinner saying avenue also said Derek. If you WanNa talk to me about this please reach out to me personally. We wring our hands a lot about the digital space but I I'm saying I think also new college and your modeled kind of living with that but not letting it overwhelm. I think it's true. I think that the one of course the great advantages of the digital world is that you could reach so many people instantaneously one of the great advantages of not being online though of having face to face connection or even online line one on one a personal connection is it fosters the kind of empathy the derrick was describing other person's not just words on a screen. It's not just I some empty message that you're responding to totally him. Personally what it's face to face. It's different ballgame. I think it's much much harder much harder to discount the person's humanity when he stereo is so let me ask you this question and as we finish another question is far too large so whatever wherever you want to begin it Matthew I'll start with you. Uh just as as you look around the world right now and think about the context of this conversation we're having served in how this friendship has shaped you and transformed you what right now makes you despair and where you finding hope sure so. I don't think I would use the word despair because I think the word seems there is no hope but there is certainly a tendency see I think an increasing trend to only associated with people who agree with you who have the same worldview have the same opinions as you and it's psychologically pleasing and it's fun but the terrible cost of that you run a very real risk of losing empathy sympathy for people who disagree with you and that's why I see people people who are my friends who I love dearly nothing to say I hate so and so I hate Republicans or Democrats like do they know what they're saying as far as hope I think that the underlying spark of goodness didn't each and every one of us and within everybody on the world is ultimately going to win out at this empathy that people can generate feel. You can't stop it in the long run Derek what makes you despair in. What gives you hope I probably agree with Matthew that I look away from the word despair and again though it's I probably do actually despair at times because my background informs answer is I spent a lot of time trying to be a good activists for bad 'cause and I spent a Lotta time seeing the ways that my predecessors had been successful at that you know whether it's winning campaigns are building organizations in large large numbers and so- cultivated arguments that found fertile ground and that led us to think that that we were not only right but the with time everybody would see that we were right and agree and then I left and for a while I thought that we had clearly been completely wrong because the world is moving towards becoming more inclusive and then I got a little bit more despair thinking maybe maybe they were right because there are places where a white nationalist argument finds ground around among good smart people and now I think I'm back to being confident that people do want inclusion Asian they do want to they do want to make a fair society? I think just about everybody does once they're they're to be society where we are not limited where we're not oppressed because of because of our group and it's just very hard to do that and it starts with our own beliefs and our own assumptions and so I guess I find the spare in the fact that a lot of us have terrible assumptions and terrible beliefs but that it's encouraging that by changing our assumptions and challenging John ging our beliefs we can create enormous change an enormous correction in the way things are the way things work if we want to do that and if we wanna spend the painful time doing that and that's encouraging thank you so much Derek and Matthew for modeling ogling that this deliberative friendship and this willingness and this courage to be to be bridge people you have so much to teach it does thank you so much thank you if you're heading. Matthew Stevenson currently works as an investment analyst at T. 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Bryan Stevenson and John Hope Franklin: Voices of Conscience

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Bryan Stevenson and John Hope Franklin: Voices of Conscience

"And Look on today's episode. We're GONNA dive into the past present and future of America's sworded relationship with race. We've got important moving talks by two guests. Each has been called a voice of conscience in our nation Bryan, Stevenson champion of human rights and founder of the equal justice initiative and John Hope Franklin the towering historian who died in two thousand nine at the age of ninety four. Are Talks which are about to hear our as pressing today. As the day they were given perhaps more, so I'm Alice Winkler, and this is what it takes from the Academy of Achievement. At made. This child is gifted. And I heard that enough that I started to believe. If you have the opportunity, not a perfect opportunity, and you don't take it. You may never have another child it all so clear. Picture started to form itself. There was new win. We Sh- ally could prevail over the truth darkness over light. There were life every day I. Wake up and decide. Today I'm going to love my life. Decide. If they're gonNA. Break your leg or it's GonNa play. Stay out of there and then long comedies. Differential experiences that you don't look for you. Don't plan for. The boy, you better not miss him. As the great historian John, Hope Franklin once wrote. If the house is to be set in order, one cannot begin with the present. He must begin with the past. John Hope Franklin devoted his life to telling the truth. The truth about America's past he refused to let the whitewashed inconvenient version of our nation story stand where there were gaping holes in the history books, a racing the experience and the role of African Americans he filled them in he literally helped create the field of African American history, beginning with his groundbreaking book in Nineteen, Forty seven from slavery to freedom a history of African Americans. That was the very first book Bryan Stevenson with his own money, as he once told historian and former president of Harvard drew Gilpin, Faust, he had to save up to purchase the book and it opened his eyes. Will Return to Stevenson story but first. Let's listen to the talk John Hope Franklin gave at the Academy of Chievements Nineteen, Ninety six summit Franklin noted on his way to the podium that he had to borrow five hundred dollars from his mentor to pay for his first year of graduate school at Harvard a detail hill. Refer back to in a moment. As Langston, Hughes said. Life Ain't been no crystal stair. and. As I look at that. Statement about the American dream. Part of my. Work has been to keep it from being. The American nightmare. When I graduated from Fisk University. In nine hundred thirty five. And had applied to have university to do graduate work. One of the reasons that did so is that I couldn't go to graduate school. In the state in which I was born and the state, in which my father pay taxes, the state of Oklahoma. And so I had to exile myself to Harvard. And before I got there. I had to take a scholastic aptitude test. So I went over to vanderbilt to take it. And one doesn't have all the savoir-faire that he might have at age twenty. And so when the? Professor at Vanderbilt who was administering the examination? Through the examination at me. As. I sat to take it. I can have no doubt that I flunked it. And Harvard University admitted me without any. Financial aid. and. There was no bidding of one college against another one university against another as the EXC, the custom these days. That's why I had to borrow the money. For my father of course being lawyer. In a town, where all of his kind of black, and where ninety five or more percent of them, unemployed and thousand, nine, hundred, thirty one. and. We lost our home. We didn't have any money. So I went on to Harvard. And I worked there. US that five hundred dollars to the best vantage. And proceeded to. Work. Taking typing washing dishes for my. evening meal. and making enough grade, so that from that year on I didn't have in financial worries. The I was Lending money meant business for a while. giving. With Shaving some income some some. Some. Interests so that? My colleagues who were not as financial able as I could make it. I found Harvard University not very. Exciting or not very difficult. And in due course I. Completed my work and Left. To write my dissertation. I went to. North Carolina. Do My dissertation on Free Off Carolina. When I presented myself if the archives I found that. When they built the archives they had made no provisions as the director said to me. That in a black whatever comes, so he had. No place means to do the research. He said, but I will. I will see if I can do something for you. Come back in a week. And I said nothing I just looked at him. He said what about three days then? I said I'll be back. And three days later, he had arranged A. Little Room out of which had taken. Some exhibited material. And Place the table and the chair. And there I did my research for my doctoral dissertation. He gave me a key to these stacks to because he said. No white page would want to bring in immaterial to me. And so he. Gave me a key and I would go through the search room to the stacks and load up by. Wegener with all of this wonderful material. And Roll it back through the so true where the whites researchers were using that one folder that they were allowed at a time. And, so in two weeks time he said to me I'll have to take your key away from you. I said I knew something. I had done something wrong. He said I've had a great protest. From the white researchers who said that they are being discriminated against? that. They don't have the same privilege that do and since I give can't give all of them keys after take yours and you have to content yourself by being waited upon body white. Pages. With that experience I. Began my research in the South I went from there later to. The state of Alabama. Where did research? And from there, some nine hundred four to five. I did research at the. State Archives and Louisiana and the only reason I was able to do research in the State Archives and Louisiana. was that. Of the day I arrived. Archives are closed. Celebrate the end the World War Two. Who? The end where victory had been achieved over. evil. And all of the Louisiana citizens were celebrating, and the archives were closed and the archivist who didn't care about my. Doing Research. They're invited me to do research. While it was closed in Louisianans celebrating the great victory. And so I was able in that way to complete a research, my second book, which was on the militant south. Interestingly enough when that book was submitted to the Harvard University, Press Publication there was a furor among the historical profession with respect to the Tim. Mary. Of An African American to write about by people. that. Correspondences in the Huntington Library and I will review it as I write my. Autobiography within a few. Months Years. The Crystal says you see. We're not really very good all of the time. But just the same. I was able for some fortitude and some encouragement from parents and. From my dear wife, who was my college, classmate and My help meet and who had? Financed on her own. The research for me the period of research that I, in which I did. The book from saving the Freedom. These people encouraged me and help me and. Above all thorough carry A. To whom we have already referred. And he lived long enough to see me. Make some mark in this profession. where I had become the. President of the American Association the President of the organization Americans stories. President of the American startled association. And President, the National President Fabulous Kappa all that cheap before he died. In one, thousand, nine, seven nine. You made reference to the fact that I have been among the most honored. Scholars in this country. And I wear that. Mantle with some humility. I also want to observe that. whereas. There has been this bright side. There's also been aside, which is not reflective of the best in America. When I went to Brooklyn College as the chair of the department. And with such a which was such a spectacular appointment that my picture. Salary were published on the front page of the New York Times. I was unable. To Convince. Thirty six real estate dealers in this town in the borough of Brooklyn. That I should purchase a home near Brooklyn College. Later when I saw to get a loan from the Bank of New York there was not one bank in the city of New York. That would admit that would. Grant me alone to purchase the home that I had. Found out on my own and not through any real estate dealer. Made US still. When my own English God child. moved to Brooklyn. And took up residence there in the home. Of another family. And she told this family about my about her godfather of whom she was very proud the family and told her that if she ever had the nerve to bring her godfather through that House that she would have to leave at the same time. Things are getting better. We spoke of. The optimism this morning of how important it was to be optimistic. and. It is imperative to be optimistic. It is also very difficult to be optimistic in the face of the experiences. That I've had even in the last few months. On the night before I received the Presidential Medal of freedom. In September of nine hundred ninety five is. I was giving depart part at my club in Washington. The Cosmos Club. I thought I looked fairly. Good I had on a new suit. And had on. A new tie. And I was coming down the grand staircase and it is a grand staircase because club. and. My picture hangs on the wall in the Cosmos Club because I must see winner of the Cosmic Love Award and ninety four. And when I approached the bottom of the stairs. White woman said to me. You will get my coat for me and handed me sought hand to. My her check. And I said Madame if you will. Speak to one of the uniform attendance at this club and all of them are uniform. Perhaps you may be able to get your coat. A few months later. In March of ninety s one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety six. I was in the lobby of the. What hotel in Oklahoma City. Waiting for the manager of one of the leading bookstores of the city. Who is going to pick me up from the lobby and take me to lunch and then to an autograph party at his bookstore where I was autographing? Several of my own books. And while I waited for him. A man walked up to me and said. You get my car and handed me my key. Be His keys. And said I'm a guest in this hotel just as you are. And I walked away from him. I had begun to wonder if I. Reaching the age of eighty-one. Still had such a youthful look. that I could be mistaken for an employee. And then I remember that. For some all African Americans regardless of age are still boys. Six weeks ago I was at the. Centre the Ritz Hotel. On South Park Avenue's on Sunday Park South where I was staying. And A. Woman I was waiting in the lobby for. Twenty Drexel Duke. Old Friend. And one of the descendants of the founders of. Duke University, where I am the James B Duke Professor History Mirrors. Four Tony arrived, a woman walked up to me and said look here. Here's some for you. I can't find the trash basket, and you just put it in the trash yourself. I said I'm neither the trash nor the trash basket madam. And you'll have to find it yourself. What I was suggesting to her. was that. Somehow. She had mistaken me. For somebody that I was not. Life is still no crystal stair. And although one must continue to be. A great. And Perennial. And sometimes bland optimist. One must also recognize the realities. Of a community that is not at all colorblind. I appeal to young people. As you go about your mini exciting duties. In the future. That, you try to make this country. colorblind. Until it is colorblind and we far from it. Would you crown your own work? With the kind of mercy and understanding. And Sense of justice. That all Americans are entitled thank you. Bryan Stevenson was not there on that day in Nineteen, Ninety six, when John Hope Franklin, implored the young delegates at Kademi of achievement summit to commit themselves to mercy and to justice, but Stevenson was actually a delegate to an Academy of Achievement Summit twenty years earlier when he was a high school student, and it would be hard to find someone who has spent more of his life dedicated to carrying out John Hope Franklin's vision in fact, Brian Stevenson's memoir and the movie that was recently inspired by. By, it is called Just mercy it tells the story of Stevenson's work as a lawyer on behalf of innocent men and women on death row, and on behalf of children's sentenced to life in prison or Death Stevenson is also the founder of the equal justice initiative, and he's behind the legacy museum, and the National Memorial for Peace and Justice in Montgomery, Alabama, which explore the connections between slavery and lynching and mass incarceration. He returned to the Academy of chievements summit in two thousand, nineteen as a featured. Speaker. Thank you so much is really an honor for me to be here and actually quite moving. As was indicated I grew up in a poor rural racially segregated. Community. I. Started My Education Colored School. They did not let. Black children attend the public school. When I started my education, there were no high school for Black Kids when my dad was a teenager, so he could not go to high school. And then. Lawyers came into our community and relying on the Supreme Court's Decision Brown versus board of Education made them open up the public schools, and because that intervention because those lawyers came into our community, I got to go to high school. And the 'CAUSE I was in high school have the opportunity to participate in speaking events and other opportunities, and as a result of that when I was sixteen for the first time in my life I left my little community, and I got on a plane for the first time. And I came to the academy, and that's where I met these extraordinary people full of creativity full of dedication full of ideas. It was a world I didn't even know existed, and I was so stimulated by that time. And they got into some other contests the next year and came back the second time. and. It motivated me to do things I would not have done. That was when I resolved. I'm going to go to college. Even though it wasn't clear how that would be possible and I got to college and I had this amazing experience I majored in philosophy and I was just enjoying college, and I got to my senior year, because nobody in my family had gone to college i. I, didn't know, but everybody here knows. I didn't know if you want to figure out how to stay in school and go to graduate school I. I looked into it. I looked into history and English and political science and I didn't know that you want to get into graduate school in those areas, history English and political sites. You have to know something about history English and political science. was very intimidated by that, so I kept looking kept kept looking and to be honest. That's how I found my way to law school. It was very clear to me. You don't need to know anything to go to law school. But I signed up for that, and I began thinking about how it was the law that created the opportunity for me to do. What I do and when I finished I've felt a calling. To work for the poor, and the accused and the condemned I was worried about the emergence of what I believe. Was Our era. Characterized by the politics of fear and anger, politicians were arguing to us be afraid and angry, and I was concerned that we allowed ourselves to be governed by fear and anger. We will tolerate things that we shouldn't tolerate I actually believe that fear and anger of the essential ingredients of oppression and injustice go anywhere in the world where people are being abused and mistreated. If you ask the abusers why they do what they do. They'll give you. A narrative of fear and anger just seemed to be this complete disregard for the rights of people who were falling down. We declared a misguided war on drugs. We said that people who are drug addicted and drug dependent are criminals, and we began putting them in jails and prisons by the thousands the hundreds of thousands, our prison population went from about three, hundred, thousand, nine, hundred and seventy two to two point, two million today became the nation with the highest rate of incarceration in the world. We put children in jails in prisons. I've represented nine and ten year old kids facing sixty year prison sentence because we have thirteen states with no minimum age. For, trying a child as an adult and I was really worried about these things, it was worried about what was happening to women. Six hundred and forty six percent increase in the number of women, being sent to jails and prisons, the six million people now on probation and parole, and then I read this statistic from the Bureau of Justice that forecast that one in three blackmail babies born in this country is expected to go to jail or prison. The statistic for Latino Boys was one in six, and it didn't seem like anybody was talking about that, and so I was resolve to stand with the condemned the incarcerated for the last thirty five years. A tied to advocate for them and what I've learned from that is that to do justice. There are things that we have to do, and if anything, the the academy helped me formulate this I'm persuaded that to change the world to create justice. We all have to find ways to get closer to people who are suffering to get closer to people who are excluded to get closer to the poor and the neglected I. I really believe in the power of proximity I think we can actually do the things we want to do it with stimulating for me to be in a room with scientists, because scientists model this idea that to have breakthroughs to you have to be so intimate with the subject in the topic that you're studying that you can perhaps see something that no one else can see I. Think Justice works the same way. Many of us have been taught to stay away from the bad parts of town I believe we have to do the opposite. We've got to get closer to the marginalize. Excluded and I learned about proximity from my grandmother. My mother was amazing woman, who was the daughter of people who were enslaved, and she had these remarkable qualities. She was tough. She was strong. She was kind she was loving. She was a force of nature and our family. My grandmother was the end of every argument and our family as she was also at the start of a lot of arguments in our. Our family and when integration came to our community, she was so worried she started doing this thing where she would give me hugs and she'd squeezed me so tightly I thought she was trying to hurt me, and then she seen an hour later and say Brian. Do you still feel me hugging you? And if I said no, she would jump on me again. So by the time I was figured out and every time. I would see my grandmother. I'd say Mama I always feel you hugging me and she'd smiled this. I didn't really appreciate what she was doing until much later. She worked as a domestic her whole life. She lived into her nineties, but when she got her ninety, she fell one day and she broke her hip, and then she was diagnosed with cancer, and it was a college student at the time, and I remember going to see my grandmother just being heartbroken, because I couldn't imagine a world without her and I was sitting near her, holding her hand, and was saying all these things or is were closed. I wasn't even sure she could hear what I was saying I was just pouring. Pouring my heart out, and finally it was time for me to leave, and I stood up when I was about to walk away, and that's when my grandmother squeezed my hand, and she opened her eyes, and she looked at me and the last thing she said to me, she said Brian. Do you still feel me hugging you? And then she said I want you to know I'm always going to be hugging you and there have been times in my life when I have felt the embrace of that woman in for me. Proximity means that when we get close enough to the poor and the excluded in the serrated and the disfavored and those who are hated, we can do if nothing else. The one simple thing that I believe is key to creating human rights in the world we can get close enough to people and wrap our arms around them, and affirm their dignity and their humanity, and it seems silly, but I am persuaded that that's the way we begin to create justice. I'm also persuaded that we have to change the narratives that are out there than undermine our commitment to the rule of law. Our commitment to fairness and we built a museum and a Memorial Montgomery Alabama because I think the narrative about race has to change. I don't think we're free in this country. I think we're burdened by our history of racial inequality that's created kind of smog in the air, and it doesn't matter where you go. You're breathing in this polluted air created by our long history of racial inequality that we haven't addressed. We are a post genocide society. What we did to native people when? When Europeans came here was genocide, but we didn't call it that and we created this narrative that native people are savages, and that created this narrative that led us to tolerate slavery for two and a half centuries, and I think the great evil of American saving wasn't the bondage and the involuntary servitude I. Think it was the narrative we created that black people aren't the same as white people. They're not as good as white people. That can't do this. They can't do that. And we never confronted that narrative passed a thirteenth amendment that talks about ending involuntary servitude, but it doesn't say anything about ending that narrative racial difference. Twi of argued slavery didn't end in eighteen sixty five. It just evolved. It turned into a century where black people were lynched, pulled out of their homes mutilated, and we didn't talk about it. Our legal systems failed US and it created A. A kind of trauma older people of Color. Come up to me. Sometimes they say they get angry when they hear people talking about how we're dealing with domestic terrorism for the first time in our nation's history. After nine eleven, they said we grew up with tear went whereby being bombed and lynched and menaced every day of our lives, and the demographic geography of this nation was shaped. By terror. We haven't talked about it. The black people in Cleveland and Chicago and Detroit and Los. Angeles didn't go there as immigrants. They went there as refugees exiles from terror in the American south when six million people fled, gave up their land, their opportunities and today we have these wealth gaps, and we are still dealing with this narrative because it doesn't. Doesn't matter if you're an Kademi recipient. It doesn't matter how successful you are. You can be a PhD, you can be a leading lawyer leading physician, but if you're black or brown, you will go places in this country where you're going to have to navigate a purchase option of dangerousness. Gail and I'm old enough to now. Tell you that it's getting exhausting. The constantly have to navigate until I want us to get something better and for me. That's narrative work I. See what's happened in South Africa and Wanda the experienced horrific human rights violations in Germany and Berlin. You can't go two hundred meters without seeing a marker stone police next to the home of family of Jewish people who were abducted during the Holocaust Germans want you to. To go to the Holocaust memorial because they're trying to change the narrative that Wanna be thought of as Fascist and Nazis, there are no Adolf Hitler statues in Germany, but in this country we have done that and so I believe we need an Arrow of injustice, and we've opened these sites in Montgomery and I invite you all to come to participate in this narrative work. Next I, believe that we have to stay hopeful. That's been my challenge and been by calling. I believe that hopelessness is the enemy of justice that injustice prevails. We're hopelessness persists when we allow ourselves to be hopeless about what we can do when we don't accept that we have to believe things we haven't seen. We accept things we should never accept I am persuaded that hope is our superpower. It's what enables me sometimes to stand up when other people say, sit down. Down to speak when other people say be quiet, I think it's critical, and finally I am persuaded. The justice were the kind of work that I. do requires me to do things that are sometimes uncomfortable and inconvenient. I think it's the same requirement for you I don't think we can change the world unwilling to do the hard things to do the uncomfortable and inconvenient things I'll end with this I was taught by man. I was giving a talk and a church. An older black man came into the church. He was in a wheelchair, and he was sitting in the back of the church. He was staring at me and had this kind of angry look on his face, convinced wisely looking at me so sternly and I got through my talk and people came up. They were very nice inappropriate, but that older bland kept sitting in the back with that stern look on his face, and finally when everybody else walk away. This older man wheeled himself to the front of the church. And when he got in front of me, he put his hand up, he said. Do you know what you're doing? And I just stood there, and then he asked me again. Do you know what you're doing? And I mumbled something. I don't really remember what I said. Then asked me one last time he said. Do you know what you're doing? and. That's when that man looked at me. He says I'm going to tell you what you're doing. And the man looked at me and he said you're beating the drum for justice. You keep beating the drum for justice. And I was so moved was also really relieved because I just didn't know what was about to happen. And then this man grammy by my jacket, and he pulled me into his wheelchair. He's a career Show you something. And this man turned his head. He said you see the scar. Right here got that scar in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, three in greene, county, trying to register people to vote. He turned his head. He said you see this cut. I have down here at the bottom of my neck got that cut in Philadelphia Mississippi Nine, hundred, sixty, four, trying to urge people to vote. He turned his head. He said you see this dark spot. That's my bruce about my bruce in Birmingham. Nine hundred and sixty five, trying to register people vote, and that's when this man looked at me. Somewhat tell you something young man. He's a people. Look at me. They think I'm some old man sitting in a wheelchair covered with cuts and bruises and scars, but I'm GonNa, tell you something he's these are not my cuts is a these are not my scars. He said these are not my bruises. He said these on my medals of honor I think we honor what it means to do. Justice for we sometimes position ourselves and difficult places I believe really simple things. I believe that each of us is more than the worst thing we've ever done. I think if someone tells a lie. They're not just a liar. I think even if someone kills someone, they're not just a killer and justice requires that we understand the other things they are before we judge them. I am persuaded that the opposite of poverty isn't well sometimes I think we talked too much about money. I am persuaded that the opposite of poverty is justice. And when we do justice, we deconstruct the conditioned and systems and structures that sustain quality and poverty, and finally I believe. That this is a wonderful institution because it inspired a poor black kid from the rural south. Dream dreams big enough. That, he could one day be invited back and I cannot tell you how meaningful that is I cannot tell you how grateful I am for that, but mostly I cannot tell you how excited I am to be a part of a community of people like you. Who I hope find ways to get proximate change narrative. Stay hopeful and do uncomfortable things. Thank you all very. Clean. Bryan, Stevenson, founder and executive director of the Equal Justice Initiative and author of just mercy. We heard earlier from the preeminent. American historian John Hope Franklin when he was awarded. The Presidential Medal of Freedom President. Bill Clinton called him a moral compass for America. This is Alice Winkler and you've been listening to what it takes from the Academy of Achievement. Thanks to the Catherine B Reynolds Foundation for funding what it takes and thanks to you for listening. and. Lou.

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Goodbye to Alcohol - Episode 2 - How Ditching the Booze Changed my Life - Nick Stevenson

Goodbye to Alcohol

25:29 min | 5 months ago

Goodbye to Alcohol - Episode 2 - How Ditching the Booze Changed my Life - Nick Stevenson

"Against as I've moved into my full forties I I started realizing that things would would need to change and I guess part of it was if you sort of look at your life over the coming decade you underway you. Health is GONNA be locking how things are GonNa go and it wasn't a good picture for me. Given the fact that I was I was drinking fairly heavily invaded regularly at the time vets it. I had absolutely no idea how to actually change this relationship. It was you know alcohol was integrated into every part of my my business and social life. So I didn't have a clue. Welcome to goodbye to alcohol. A podcast from weld without wine whether you won't say Vice Alcohol Goodbyes. All what were the. You're just plain so be curious. This is the podcast few. We've go recovery story to inspire you expose to inform you. I'm plenty of advice on how to do the drink and changed her life. Hello there thank you so much for tuning into this episode of the good advice while podcast my name is Janet Goran John. I'm the founder world without wine this episode features. My conversation with Nick Stevenson. An interesting kind of guy. He's an investment banker who's also devoted yoga student a C. Each agree those two disciplines don't to Mesh together. Many of the people in our community have written a goodbye to all letter but nick combined. His goodbyes Letter with a second letter which was a love letter to yoga. His New Passion. Nick came to wet shop a few years ago. Gold sober on since then. He's been my co facilitator for beg workshops began our conversation by asking nick to tell us about himself sure I LIVING JOHANNESBURG OF JEFF. Most of my adult life. I'm fifty two years old at the end of the month and I at the end of the month we will have been married for fifty years to hide. So that's quite a fabulous done and then I've I've got two children. They both adults now. Engine semi twenty and nineteen years old and in terms of working life I started out working as an engineer and not I moved into investment banking which I've been doing for the lost eighteen years. I'm in my business. Take his packs release snake? When did you first all to worry about your relationship with alcohol? When did they first catchy that? Maybe there was something wrong. Hand against as odd moved into my forties I I started realizing that things would would need to change and I guess part of it was sort of look at your life over the coming decade. You wonder what you health is. GonNa be locked in housing again ago and and it wasn't a good picture for me given the fact that I was. I was drinking fairly heavily and very regularly at the time vets. It on had absolutely no idea how to actually change this relationship it was. Alco was integrated into every part of my business and social life saw. I didn't have a clue to start. Don't wear is the back of our minds. I'LL CALL JESS MINDS. That yeah you know. We've really got sued to make a change here. We've got stop drinking. But what keeps US up his? We don't actually know how to do is been quite a few years since she came along to away shop. Cast your mind back what we are objectives when you came along. What were you expecting? fell into the category of one of those people that desperately want to learn to moderate. Mile. Coal consumption was an option in the marketing followed. Without one I thought was essential. I certainly could never think of stopping completely at the time. I must be honest. I suppose saw arrived with my moderation cappon and when I left I still had not left thet frame of mind entire. I had a couple of glasses of wine from a bottle from the night before. But what happened when I was sleeping that not I had a very restless evening actually changed my view of an auto when I wake up in the morning I decided that's a moderation thing for me is going to be too difficult and on stop and as you know. I I sent you an email to that effect that morning in a and and I haven't done any any drinking sits plan interesting how that Mindset Change Day for night. I'm no psychology spent. I think that you'll subconscious mind was busy processing everything you'd had during the show and all messages that moderation doesn't work had actually go through and think part of what happened was Idaho. Lot of new information after the workshop and answer to process set and and I think some of the the issues that happened to me off to that was on a jumped into the stock completely box. Very quickly And that actually was quite difficult. I hadn't prepared myself mentally for that Saw Did you know for a good week or so. I was depressed about my decision But you're not being in a group like lock you've creators and being able to talk to people that are on the journey I think helps helps you out of that. That depression quad quickly But that doesn't unexpected roadblock which Which I quite early. We say to people that once. You drink king's cross the line. There's no going back was only going forward four to an alcohol free life and then making it a good life so remind me how long it is that. You've been alcohol-free now so in February. It was three years. I can't believe we've been communicating for. This loan. Was the very decision I could ever have made. I must be honest. The only thing goodbye to alcohol podcast from wealth. Without wine so nick. How do you feel I feel fantastic And and I guess the the improvements of have been incremental and sustained through the period. So it just gets better. It doesn't it doesn't get worse indeed sides as you know I I was not in great shape Medically I think physically. I'd I turn things around so the lost decade of of lost a lot of white And I've been on quite a health journey but you know there was always something missing so now it go for these Every month at the time on my doctor would look at a guy and now he's slowed by the way to do what happened after I'd stop drinking immense after that are in full my next taste and my doctoral Masella Phychi. She couldn't believe how dramatically many of turned around to get into the normal range and so rarely the effects of adrenal fatigue and Having had attended on very quickly and enter two years before that with the various medications and supplements Dramatic turnaround a as you had suggested. We started talking. You said this was probably the biggest health initiative Mike and I. I didn't take you seriously at the time but it was and and it's very pleasing thinking straight. Some of the good things that happened since he stopped drinking a number one is certainly the health turnaround that I've had and we've just spoken about someone guy into more details on that. The second one is something that sort of any become conscious of a euro two. And that is that you will. Performance improves significantly an NF. I feel a much more effective and I'm much more focused on what I'm doing so so that's really been good and sort of allied with that. Both sort of at a personal level ended away table. I'm making match bitter quality decisions in every aspect of my life and so the camera greats and and I guess as well I'm sitting already powerful example to my children through the decisions of maiden and all making now it does definitely get easier of a time and so if anyone considering an Alko free lava just through the first while and you'll be but isn't Become effortless so after about six months for me. Number five is musty. Quality has improved dramatically. And sometimes I feel wake up in the morning. I wake up in the same position. I'm out of to bid so it's a it's a really deep sleep and a high quality of sleep getting not which certainly didn't exist during my drinking career Number six is white. Control is much easier. Aachen ever a few bad days in Aurora of not eating healthy and well and it doesn't show up as much as a juice and I was still drinking and then I think the quality of connection in relationships with people improves as well And I think that'll Techs Tom and so as the years go along. You actually start appreciating that this is a part of your life. That's changing significantly and full debater. intuitively on a heavily stressed nominal. Head when I was drinking and I thought I was drinking to manage stress But actually that whole vicious cycle increases your levels of stress that doesn't manage them downwards And then yeah I mean the big one is number driving under the influence with one bill. Three will or something much more reckless and so in driver. Not on next to you. I think to be stopped NAS to blow. The breathalyzer been stopped about four or five times. But I've never had to buy so. Mata will come. Yeah and then my last one Israeli. I have a lot more time to do life. And that's a that's a fantastic gift. Kostov is the one thing that you buy. Listen beautiful reasons. Nick and I like the way you say. The benefits keep coming. That's my experience to slide the gift that keeps on giving you're listening to goodbye to alcohol calls from world without wine. If you'd like a bit of support to change your relationship with alcohol them please check head on Membership Program on weld without wind dot com. You inspire us every single shot with your recovery. Rox talk about how much your life has changed since he stopped drinking. You've been facilitating the With fee is now very generously in your time and your energy on the weekend to also he really. What's forcing Nick Fi you? What benefits do you get from facilitating wet shops? I think there's two things that really make a big difference for me an end. The one is to be connecting with people that are on this very important journey. I think at that connection is really is really good and it just keeps me keeps me going even still in while. I'd draw to let the the various whatsapp groups and stuff that reporters just seeing. You'll find lots up every now and then with a reminded to. You're you're doing something really special Sets that connection and then I think living a very selfish existence in suburban South Africa I think liability to give something back is fantastic and I get tremendous Just fueled tremendous for doing it when we win. We have the opportunity so thanks Janet. I could say it's a wonderful thing you've made available to me. Oh well thank you for everything that you snake do remember while ago. We did a survey to people attended. Why shops on the results were amazing. We discover that forty four percent of the respondents to the survey had stopped drinking for good. I was blown away by. That was really thrilled so I wanted to ask you. Why do you think we get such good results from just one day workshop? We've got people coming along the way they've even been to rehab to member lady. I've been to Rehab ten times. And then she also be with us. Why into the white shows with nick was he'll fairy so I yeah? It actually seems bizarre but I think I it's a very good track record. I'm certainly proud to be one of your positive statistics. And and what is different and I think what is different is is perhaps too. That one isn't a strict rules based group and I think that's really important. Distinguishing factor. Way We light on rules in your adult get onto don. Do thing yes Some help support. But there's not none of these very strict rules Ovadia and you've got to follow. I think people get get some people. Don Enjoy that and I think as well we very informal and I think that is in that that four matches is is resonates with with a whole lot of people And then August as I've seen as we've gone through this you know when you and your people about the sort of what do you drink when you're done drink and so forth. What is every single person is very different and so I think this approach that you have works better for people that have different needs so is rated good system for certain people identified covers the entire demographic. Tell me what you say to people. When they feel entering these days I know used to mix with those heavy drinking bankers. You'd be out entertaining clients. I think he's still arush now. Cheese Tim. I mean this question was probably one of the most difficult for me to deal with in the early part of this journey. But as I've gone deeper into it it's become much easier to deal with Nada as I I will just say someone osmium decide on drink and if that pushed me about morale guy into my store real of turning around my health and quite frankly betty such a precious gift that to to undo that I think would be a horrible situation so that that's really guy now but in the beginning it was tough. I didn't know what to say to felt embarrassed. Apologetic in those early days. Hiding in the corner with my verging. Gin and tonic hoping that nobody would notice what was in my class. Nobody was released but interested. But you always feel so self consciously those those early days as you say you get more competent over the years. When these days I enjoy saying I don't drink alcohol. It feels like a superpower. Enjoy watching the look on people's faces. You can help a lot of fun with it if you could go back in time and talk to nick who is busy getting trashed with these banker. Friends what would you say to him? I think the number one message would be to quit soon because you will have the benefits for longer. I'm really disappointed I to be deep into my fourteen flights. A decision if identity early in my forties or perhaps even cities. I think it would have been far. Better result yeah. Yeah I agree. That's why I'm so thrilled when I see a young person that show. I'm thinking well done you getting this. The right time you nipping in the bud before it gets out of him. What have you learned about yourself? Since teaching the news. I guess this journey's being two things that's being extremely tough in the beginning end. It's also been extremely rewarding so and I think when you go through tough things do tough things you come out much more resilient and capable at the end of it doing something that already full was impossible And and so you know you can do anything you put them onto. Once you've done something like loose. Yeah well as you know. The wet shops with two people at the beginning of the day. This thing is doable. You might be in for tough few months but then it's done and I think once people get their heads around the fact that they're not going to be miserable for the rest of their lives. They start to feel better and they started feel motivated and they start to do the work. You're listening to podcasts. From world without why so yes there might be a bit miserable for a few months but then there's a whole new large waiting so they'll be people listening to this. Who may be thinking of embarking on this journey? What would he say to them to inspire them? What tips would you give them? How would you help them get started so firstly woodside done progress tonight? If you having these Sports Hillary you need to do something to do it and then I think for me. One of the important elements was a made a big decision. And I stuck with it. I didn't allow myself the the sort of cycle of going back today. One again and again that that firm decision maybe it says Mattis Me That decision was very important and a mini as a gut selling through the cycle again obtain times And eventually in stuck are realized. That was a dirty firm commitment to yourself that you need to make. Yeah and as we've been so much easier just to Completed keep trying and failing cut pound home call is an addictive drug ultra. It might be illegal. Drug pretty subjective and twenty percent of regular drinkers will become dependent on alcohol over the years. One of the techniques that we recommend during the workshop is the goodbye to all call. It seems to be working for lot of people as we've got an entire website dedicated to people's goodbye toll call letters now thinking behind. It is that we should see all in the same way as we'd say an abusive lava someone who comes into your life causing havoc compaign for me. This is the perfect technology on writing your lessons. Cathartic experience and it helps you to draw a line under that phase of your life mind lateral. My first perversity is not a great literature foot. Somehow the words just flamed came from the heart one not ready to on the radio. We had calls saying that a couple of ladies at Hudson. Pull off the road in call because they were crying so much concern listening to this letter. That's me it just resonated with them so much. So Nick Up. Good feeling that you right. Y'All goodbye letter little bit sooner than alright mine. It didn't take you a year to get round to it mafia I I saw Brecca and yeah. I think it was a really useful exercise. Jesse brought down something and sort of focus on it and deal with it so again exactly. So does it as a feeling of being very final about the decision the fact that I actually committed to rotting something Don Also remember on the workshop. When you spoke about this I thought to myself what a silly idea. And and and that. But that's exactly what I fold and then the next morning I felt myself watching this damn thing so I'm an to a little later to alcohol on your will I die over not drinking It's also not much of a literary feet but but again you know it was. It was from a Hot. And that's really what what matters so the does deal. We have been lovers for more than fatigues. I've enjoyed frequent drums together but lately I ever. I'm not feeling satisfied with new thing. The two losses of macerata. It's not confirmed as for me. Push through to finish that. Hof bottle from the night before but I didn't enjoy it one bit. I think the love is gone. I also feel that you're jealous of Mother Lover Yoga you'll interfering in that very special relationship I know you have many lab tolerated. It as could slip fund must of the time while end. You not reciprocate Buffet consequently our relationship has become a lot like doing handstands against the will feels fake. Draw the TRYIN Stein's in the middle of the room. It's much more exciting. And I feel Beta full using my muscles disappointed me. As opposed to leaning on the wool some unattractive the Mona so yesterday when I left the workshop distantly wanting to moderate relationship I had a change of mind of on reflection. I think we need to part ways for good yours sincerely. Nick thank you nick. So they you head mixed goodbye. Twelve call letter if he wants to hear some other advice while whole excellent. Just checking Goodbye to dot com all pussy your in it before we close just wanted to draw at three point small conversation naked known for ages that he needed to make a change but he just had no idea how to do that now idea how to drink class how to navigate a social life or indeed manage stress without. Talk a whole second. He came along to the workshop expecting to moderate because he couldn't bear the sort of life without alcohol but he came along with an open mind listened on after sleeping on he changed his mind and decided that it would be easier to quit and moderate and he was absolutely right unsettling he now feels because he sucks seeded in the drink. He can do pretty much anything that he turns his mind too. So if you know that you need to change your relationship with alcohol but just don't know how the please go to weld without wind dot com for some inspiration and practical advice. Thanks for listening on. See you next time. If you've enjoyed this podcast them change. Check out the world without wine subscription membership. It's these central resource for anyone looking to change relationship with overhaul whether you're looking to Monterey so even quit drinking completely or eight step program will help you succeed. We'll connect you with all supporter. 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E108 Moments That Matter with Antonio Stevenson

Biz4Good Show

32:33 min | 1 year ago

E108 Moments That Matter with Antonio Stevenson

"Welcome to the bids for good show where we highlight misfits outcasts and renegades for the being good at doing good movement. We spotlight people that are changing the world by having integrity and honesty, and creating an environment of connection the showing the true secrets is excess at creating a life of greater impact. So come on board and create your own business for good life. Well, cool. To the split. Good show. Welcome to the biz for good show. Ladies and gentlemen. We have a powerful powerful powerful show for you today. Let's get your mentor hat on. And let's go help some people. Ryan does. Well, the show. You say Ryan Pilion. Oh, say Bobby James say nothing, I didn't say, no, okay. Ladies and gentlemen. I am Bobby Glyn James, then, of course, the amazing. Bill cake done, ladies and gentlemen, just build up my egos so much from used to it. Right. Right. Yeah. Okay. I apologize. It's kind of interesting. We've actually because of the holidays and stuff. I mean, our last show was New Year's Eve, and we've kind of been we had a few shows in the in the back end. So we haven't we're this is our new show of the year of actually season three season three so people. We are excited about season three. We're excited about pushing this show is growing, leaps and bounds. We're doing more than we ever thought. And again, I do this. If we had to listeners because it's just so fun. It's so powerful to to meet with these amazing people that we that we meet with. So we have three listeners. So we have three listeners. So it makes it even better to me you and my mom. Yeah. So we hit the over three thousand listener Mark last month. So we're pretty excited about that. And hopefully, we're we're looking forward for two thousand nineteen almost twenty thousand downloads. Yeah. Almost twenty thousand downloads blueberry. Yep. Okay. Ryan tells about show. Yeah. This is an awesome. And folks buckle in thanks for being on the bids for good show. Joining us for the base. Forget show this episode one eight moments that matter with Antonio Stevenson Antonio's Stevens. Ladies and gentlemen, you have a treat government. That's right. You ready for this Tonio? He's like, oh crap. This. Antonio Stevenson lives. In Winston Salem, North Carolina. He is a former high school football coach current mentor to at risk youth, a husband father and a grandfather, which I don't believe. But Antonio look old enough to be a grandfather. Antonio devotes. Antonio devotes a large portion to saving the lives of young men through mentoring, his nonprofit organization, my brother's second, chance assists. My brother's second chance assist youth with tutoring. College visits college applications as well as a system during the holidays, and they've just celebrated over ten years of brothers second chance. Ten going strong kicking in helping kids. Awesome. Awesome. Amazing. And we're gonna find out about it. I'm so excited. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the biz for good, Jim, ladies and gentlemen. Jim. We haven't had it in new biz ver- good show word in a long time. Yeah. Gentlemen means. It's like a gentlemen, but it's even come on Cedric. Give us something to review it. Don't ask Bill. Question Mark, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the show to fun adventures. Entrepreneurs sharing the experiences of the real secret to success in business doing all things with a beagle. Do good minds that there is so much bad noise in the world. Let's fight against the noise by flooding the world with the good you can find his on Instagram Twitter. Facebook all of those great places at biz verbiage show dot com. B I Z the number four good show dot com. Make sure you subscribe start just to podcast, it's a movement. That's right. So definitely go on hashtag. Good against the noise. Share your photos what you're doing. And join the biz for good nation. Awesome. Oh builder. All builder all to millions dot com. Our affiliate program, a super amazing digital marketing platform where you can build websites. Webinars. Abs- abs-. Yeah. You can build a phone apps. You can it does so many digital marketing. It's all in one Email marketing, all of that stuff is packaged into builder. All builder all to millions dot com. That's builder all to te'o millions with an s dot com, and you can make some extra earnings with the affiliate program, and you could see on the link. Bam man, I have a cold people. So my voice is sounding really weird. I love it. It sounds cool. Awesome sauce. Love. All right. We're ready to kick the show, ladies and gentlemen. Let's get right into get going. Yeah. Let's get go and going welcome. Antonio welcome. Welcome to the show. Thanks for braving. It you know, you never know what you're going to get into here. We don't know either. Thanks. Saturday Night Live. Yes. So with our new with our new year, we kinda changed up art the questions that we ask folks and stuff, and we kind of get a little more little more pointed a little more focused in in our whole movement of being good and doing good. So tell us a little bit about you and Tonio and how you live a biz for good life both in business and personal. I was raised by a single parent. And I may I may a point to myself that. I will I will not let the kids struggle if I could help it. So I run a nonprofit called my brother second chance we will. Assist. Twelve young men with breakfast twice a week in much after school lunch twice a week. Get along with tutoring. How fun program currently is. I sell my book, it's called lessons learned and I do motivational speaking two of the country speaking, I just try to live a good life in make sure that. The constant example. My boys of. I just think it's enough people in this world if everybody tried to give back just a little it'd be a whole lot less gang activity and kids dropping out and we'll have the talk about broken homes without fathers. So I try to live a decent life and be an example for the, you know, not not just my boys. But all young men that come across glove it. Better. I love it super powerful. So what what happened to you that made you realize that you kind of got this calling. 'cause I I have a feeling that's what it is for you. Right. It's your calling you were called to do. Yeah. I think it is mccowan all. I went to high school at a predominantly black high school Carver high school hand wants to save them. And. I received a work my butt off for full scholarship to Wake Forest when I was only there for a year. I was had a pretty bad attitude in our transferred to Winston Salem state university. And all my twentieth birthday. I got shot and did something to me because only by the grace of God and praying praying parent. I made it through the storm. And I said if I ever get myself in a position to. Combat some of this gang violence, invest what I was going to. And so I was teacher for a little while and a saw just how how badly some kids were set up for failure. It's not a black and white issue is just a issue, you get a male, and he's the most teachers it's easier to. Say he's EMA g mostly mentally handicap or learning disabled anything rather than try to teach that child. And so now that I'm an adult, and I'm in a position where I can make change. I've teamed up with the police department in the show have department, Shannon. Winston salem. That's. Make make some team efforts to try to get some of these kids. Other opportunities rather than just go home quit school dropout and get involved in gangs. So I made it my my movement of my personal movements trying to change the lives of your men that I come into contact with. I love it while that's, you know, so many of us talk about doing things, and we wanna help or we think we wanna help or we, you know, I I should do something. But not everybody does not everybody actually gets up and does something and so hats off to you to actually create it. And especially to be doing something for ten years that could you tell us some kind what kind of an impact you made you kind of told us a little bit before that. I just tell us a little bit of the impact that you've made in this last ten years with with some of these kids. Well, I I will tell you. It's not just me on had a lot of help foam, my wife and my mentors. And like I said, I don't I did a call for mentor. I said I need is many men possible that wanna give back and help someone and you should have seen the unity. Black man, white man, even Hispanic brothers came out and said, look, we don't care who you're helping. We're going to help you and the police department the sheriff department earn when I was when I was growing up. I saw the police Iran, and that was just how perceive the police, and regardless of west on the news, whatever I can honestly say that the police department hand wasn't Salem have gone out of their way to help me. Anything I'm asked. Well, they've made a move to donate money to my nonprofit. They bid mentors. We have a sheriff here by mimbo phone, Bobby kimbro junior. He's personally came in spoken to my guys mentor. My guys mental at me. And when you have a collaboration like that. Like, I told you I have probably about ninety five percents success rate because our goal is to graduate kids from high school. They wanna try college. We're going to help them without college. Applications were paper cottage applications will help the financial aid take him on college visits some ten years ago. When I first started I came into contact with so many men that had never been out of Salem. And that was crazy to me because my mom made. Sure that me and my brothers knew where every college was locally and outside outside of our city. We want it to go to college. And we wanted to hopefully, go outside of stabby now ten years later. I hope on my has make listen seven state their first choice. It's such a beautiful campus in this kind of growing as we speak, and I've I've even had so much love and respect giving. To me, and my nonprofit from western Salem state from the chancellor on all the way down to the football, coach basketball coaches, it's been amazing. You know, it's so awesome to hear. How much good stuff especially you talking about the police departments community? We end the community. We talk about. Unfortunately, the news wants to slash onto all the bad stuff. They can possibly find. Because it it's what people I don't know. I don't think it's what people want to listen to. It's why I don't listen to the news. I want to hear stuff like this. Because there is a lot of people out there change in the world. We know what's wrong with the world. Now, we got to stand up for taking it back. I love how you're taking it back. Yeah. And you're doing it. And and the fact that you have other people that are seeing your vision and the inclusion of the school the police department. I cry it commercials. Just I just think is fricken goule. I just think it's damn coast. Yeah. I just I just hear enough negativity about the police department. I haven't experienced that myself. I've I've gone to them on the spur of the moment and said I need. A thousand dollars. And this is what it's four. And and they've supported me they didn't. I'm not gonna say they gave me every time I needed, but they've supported the on the on the city council our school board here. Nothing is going to happen. If is one entity last do it themselves is always going to have to be a group collective effort. And like I said anytime I've gone to company here local company called agent w health and wellness spur of the moment. They drop everything. So young man here, Tom McLaughlin. One phone call. He's he's trying to help. And let us say no one comes through every time. Everyone tries. And when these kids see this for the last six years thanksgiving comes around we could twelve we deep fry twiddle turkeys in hand deliver them to these guys is crazy. Now. Anthony, Scott stays up all night cook. And he's turkeys and the the look on these kids spaces is a million dollars. And that's why. Yeah. That that is so cool. Thank you. Thank you for standing up for the world and for the kids because. It's our role models that make us. It's the people that we look up to. And when those people are gut people and not evil. It makes a big difference. So thank you. Thank you. So we we need you. Sorry. Sometimes I don't know. Why so much today? It's just cool. It's I'm gonna cold. That's my. I got this notice Antonio we this new year we want to kind of step it up and notch a little bit. And we're asking a new question and with all of the cool stuff that you're doing now. And we want to challenge you at the biz for good show. What could you do to step it up a notch this year in two thousand nineteen what is the commitment of Antonio to step it up even more? And I know you do when a lot, but the have something that you say, I'll raise my hand. And I'll do this. What do you think? Well, my my pledge for twenty nineteen was to make my effort a little stronger, I wanna reach few more kids and whether the program by not I'm going to reach out and try to help some kids. So the kids that have graduated from my program. Always calling me contacted me coach on the job is anything. You're gonna need a pair of shoes. And. I've been able to call Doug militant on Charles, Paul. Chris Paul's father when I need those famous, but for twenty nineteen I'm gonna put myself in a position. So that these kids need less. So if it means the extra hours in getting less sleep, my pledge for twenty nineteen to reach more kids. It's a give a better effort. So they have less to worry about. And I'll also to challenge a hundred men in their cities never respective cities to just do some mentoring even a bit your son's best friend reach out help someone that's not related to. That's cool. Ask why that's doing that? But. So darn it it totally disappeared. I man had something really good to ask. Oh, yeah. So you kind of said it just then it just came to me. Have you thought about doing more national more spreading spreading this out and get some volunteers all over the country to kind of do the same thing? You kind of just said it just then. But if you thought about actually having different groups in different cities the academic too. Yeah. I will love to and I've been asked to come to Charlotte, North Carolina and Durham, and I've even asked to come to Atlanta, Georgia, just, you know, tell them what we do how we do it. And why in the main thing I try to combat gang violence fig, if we get these cats get these kids involved in school eleven school eleven themselves and fall in love with future. Dreaming so big that you forget about all the negativity going on in your community. I think we'll have less kids trying. To join the negative army called the gang and. Of people said just come come. And show me what you're doing out do it here. And I want to go places in do it and spread it. But a enforce of Lebanon. I've started when I spread myself, Dan, I lose focus with these twelve kids. I currently have. But I would. On national skied Ellen in just trying to let people just emulate what's going on. But it's just allow I tell my kids all the time you have one job MS to love the person next to you don't have to fight. All you feel like you have something to prove. And that was meat for so long. I saw that. 'cause I looked and saw in the mirror starts at a teach something totally different. You don't have the argument fuss and fight definitely not the not the kill each oven pillage out communities. I live how you're dressing. The men, you know, the father figures in how. This nation is is dealing with kind of the. I don't know. The men men of this generation. And I think we raise some good men. We're gonna see great things. And I love what you're doing. Just love that you're that you understood that that part of it. And all that one more time. I'm sorry. Yeah. I don't know what's going on with our audio. But right now, I know what the generation kind of attacking the the the male men in this generation, we love everybody man in female. But I think addressing the the fatherless people in understanding that niche was so critical in how it's going to change our communities knowing that when when we step up as men, and we take that role, and and take our responsibilities of education in mentorship. I think you're doing amazing stuff, and knowing that that being a real man isn't about how tough you are. But how much you can love yet? Love yet in that. That's being how much you can treat a woman with respect is that's a real man in and we're big on that. We're at my brother's second chance, we're huge on that. I don't mentor young ladies. I think is. I need to be mentoring young men because I am a man young ladies need to. I think they need a young lady. A woman to mention them even share on which mashes with them, short comings. I'm constantly throwing myself on the bus and and show 'em guys mistakes. I've made I always read this poem to them called the bridge building. It starts out a man going along highway, and what it talks about is how he built a bridge. So that the people coming behind him defeat won't get wet. But they still get to the other side and the moments that I have to spend with my young man, they really met a mean so much to me because tomorrow isn't promised and tell them this all the time don't be afraid to give a guy from handshake in a a hug, and how love you take your day. And it's okay, you know. You know in in society today, it's looked down on. And I won't be a part of it. I make sure these guys experienced love and experienced a respect some my guys don't have never met, the fathers don't even know who the grandfather's all I wouldn't know where to begin and talk to you about my life. If I couldn't tell you how much my grandfather admits to me. Who who made me, you know, what I'm saying? Just love you can find all you want to don't forget to love. And that's what I gentlemen, a missing they're so focused on the next. Hot rap song on the next video the next new para sneakers that's coming out that they forget you just love themselves. So I appreciate outta get outta of hearing. It we just we just went back to school a few weeks ago. My guys all got para sneakers from me who were Snickers given to me from Chris Paul, and I made sure that these guys on the stand the look hitting give these to you to go. And you know, what by somebody say look when I look what you can't afford. He said look these for comfort enjoy them and have a good day. But it was he took the time is father took the time to come to minutes. Look Chris wanted you guys have these he didn't have to do. Do that. And so that's just love respect. Charles, Paul bother to me big brother to me. Same thing with these kids. He said look make sure they get this stuff and make sure they know that they get it. Because we love you. You know, you you said a huge thing. That they gotta love themselves. And I think teaching teaching folks love themselves that would stop so much violence and so much hatred. Because when when when you know your love of yourself, you don't have to take things personal. You don't have to get offended. You don't have to hate people. And I think that is so important that once you love yourself, then you can love other people then you can really connect. And that's a big piece of mentoring. People got understand. So thank you. Thank you for even that inside. Now, we we want to talk about our last piece, and you already you already gave everybody a a challenge, but we want to reiterate that challenge. And and and I know you said one hundred and I'm thinking. This is a shoutout to all the men out there. Hundred thousand million a hundred thousand million as much. Guys, the young men today need people to look up to and they need goods to look up to they need people. That know what it means to care about somebody and love somebody and know that that's the real power in this world. It isn't guns. It isn't violence. It's love that is the strongest force in the universe. And when they really get that they're unstoppable. It's amazing. What these kids can create is a. Awesome. College. I'll like to challenge anyone that can here. The broadcast to help someone outside of the home mentor. Someone outside of your home on young ladies, go a mentor in ladies, young men, going mentor. These boys they can become a man. And even if it's tell him to pull the pants up, it'd be respectful is the way to say everything, and it's not gonna come off meaning craft in heart. Just be a mental let net one day out of your life be sent to mitt to someone else. More than meant to you just help someone. That's a that's a great action. Ash does a great action item. The title of the show is moments that matter I just wanted to connect that connect with you on that. Did you have any moments or or anything you want to say on the title of the show today? In tony. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I'm glad you asked me that. Reason why I called it moments that not is because a few months ago. I sat said I sat in a graveyard with my mentors. And he said, why are you so uneasy you win a graveyard? Well, I've been running from graveyard for twenty years. Some of my friends are here and some of the kids that I've tried to mentor that when a straight are here. And that's why go so hard, and I call it almost at madder because I say early tomorrow is promised. And now I want every man that I've ever came in contact with at least say. You know, he was he was impactful. He he made a difference in my life. So I don't spend that time with them talking about money, rap music and. In in how to how to shine. Now. I will tell them financially the best investment they ever make will be investing in themselves and the future in education. So I do talk money. Sometimes I don't talk as cars and rap music trying to make sure that these men know that you know, what you putting body is what's going to determine how long you live on this earth. How you treat people is how you're gonna be treated back. So. Esma that's not moments that matter time skit with these young men means more to me. Anything on this earth except for my time with God, I'm on my own family. Every moment matters. Well, thanks Antonio has been so Beijing. Even though our. It's been a blessing. It's been a true blessing in. I will do my best to to share this episode out. So we have a chance to to get to know you more and hammer our audience understanding connect with you more. Is there any websites or or anything you want to promote on your side? Yeah. We we do have a website. It's WWW dot my brother's second chance. They can see some of the things that we do is it. My brother's second chance dot com or dot oracle dot com dot com dot com. My brothers as second chance dot com. I went to hold up a copy of my book. Osmosis, learn lessons by Tonio. Stevenson used this book to promote. Just making the right decisions. Pretty much tells my life from a very young age until college. Toured the country to a motivation speaking and trying to make sure the kids make the right and citizens as it applies to school and staying as far away from gangs and gun violence is possible. So lessons learned we can get that on Amazon places like that or yes. So Amazon dot com and watch a noble dot com. Awesome lessons learned Antonio's. Stevenson, super super cool. Yeah, we're getting we're getting we're getting that book gay Ryan. We're getting we're gonna get we're going to get a copy of that book for sure. What was the you so much less, and listen you? Well, thank you so much for being on the show. Thank you for being the powerhouse that you are the the what you're standing for. And that you see the need and that love can overcome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being on the show. We we I say it all the time. We just have so many. There's so many people doing so much good in the world. We need to shout from the rooftops all of us need to. There are good people in this world doing good things we need to keep doing it at. Thank you Antonio for being that person standing up for the Hupa have made. Thank you guys being game changes. I appreciate things. Thank you. Well, Ryan, what do you think? This was amazing some tears we f-. Oh today, wasn't my cold. You got us. Antonio not everybody gets his. But you you got us, and I don't. And I can I can tell you. You're kind of a subdued guide, you keeping your cool. But you got an insanely powerful soul, my friend and try. Policy making you guys crab. This is what God has to do. And as long as I'm here. This is what I'm gonna do with. Thank you guys for having me. And seriously. I mean, it thank you for being game changes. Don't change the thing. Awesome. You wanna take us out? Ryan why we'll do my best. We always leave the show with three hashtags. Hashtag be good. You good. We sent three times clouded on the third time has Dag Biegel. Do good has me. Bag do good. Do. Yeah. And that's. Thank you for listening to the biz for good show podcast. We wanna thank all our fans and guests on the show. Be sure to check us out on all their social media platforms. Facebook, Twitter and Instagram for your host, Bobby Glenn James and Ryan Pilkington. This is Tim Jackson saying get out and do some good now. Go.

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Facing execution, not knowing why.

ACLU Civil Liberties Minute

01:29 min | 2 years ago

Facing execution, not knowing why.

"Vernon Madison has been in prison on death row in Alabama for thirty three years. Now what I'm Bill Newman? And this is the civil liberties minute during those thirty three years in prison mostly in solitary confinement, Madison has suffered several strokes. And he now exhibits many symptoms of brain damage. He slurs his speech he's disoriented. He's blind. He can't walk by himself. And he's incontinent. He also has no memory of the crime that put him on death row. But to the state of Alabama. None of this matters, not his vascular dementia. Not his cognitive deficits. Not his severe memory was not his brain damage. Alabama still really wants to execute him on Madison sides is his lawyer, Bryan. Stevenson, the renowned human rights attorney from the equal Justice initiative in Alabama Stevenson argues that the eighth amendment prohibition against. Cruel and unusual punishment prohibits the execution of a person. Who does not remember the crime and has no understanding why he's being executed. The US supreme court heard oral arguments on this case on October second we will soon. Find out if five supreme court justices will or won't vote in favor of this state-sponsored killing the civil liberties minute is made possible by the ACLU because freedom can't protect itself.

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364- He's Still Neutral

99% Invisible

36:07 min | 1 year ago

364- He's Still Neutral

"This is ninety nine percent invisible. I'm Roman. Mars criminal is a member of Radio topiary and probably my favorite podcasts depending on the moment you're asking me and presenting the story from them today because it's one one of the best and most popular episodes and also in terms of subject. It's the best episode of ninety nine percent invisible that we never made it takes place in Oakland. It's about about the built world limited spaces and a statue that fights crime it was originally broadcast in Twenty fifteen but updated in twenty nineteen including an interview with our own per Kolstad. It's just delightful. It's called. He's still neutral. Here's criminal you know. We've had muggings in this neighborhood. You know we've had muggings and aggressive behavior aggravated assaults and all kinds of things over the years here you know oh so it is an issue for lots of people. There's like five or six years ago. You know the community group gave everybody whistles in case somebody especially women or something were costed or somebody who is following the they just have to blow their whistle alert other people that something was up. You know this is Dan Stevenson Jason. He and his wife Liu have lived in Oakland California for forty years. They live in a two story. Purple Victorian in a neighborhood called eastlake he says was the crime's been an issue there for as long as he can remember but when you live in a city long enough you just learn to deal with it. You know a couple of times. Some guys tried to get my wallet and and just city stuff that that you know once you live in the city long enough. You've got at least be costed a couple of times or you're not there once you know everybody's these position as you go outside. You know who they are where they are and what they do. It's there was no hassle so once. You knew that once you knew that the drug dealer was a drug dealer you just went about. Your Business and he did his business and you did yours. That's correct yeah and and you just stayed out of each other's way right. I mean I wouldn't like I wouldn't call the police why well well first of all they don't trust. The police probably trusted drug dealer more than I trust the cop so that's part of it part of it has to do with the Times minds. I have called the police. They just don't seem to be able to come in and do it in a commonsensical way they they have to come in like an army or something over some of these selling drugs. I don't really care about that. It's one thing not to call the cops and you suspect a guy down. The block might be selling selling drugs but it's another thing when there's a man right outside your bedroom window at three a M.. This is what happened to Dan and Liu about five years ago my wife Haifa's here and we we went to bed about three A._M.. She nudges me and says there's somebody on the deck. Dan says he actually built a special deck back to keep random people from wandering up their their no stairs you have declined partly up a tree and then lift yourself up over the railing so I get up and I look out and sure enough. There's a guy on the deck and so I yelled through the door and tell him to get off the bing Dak and and he he kinda is totally gone. I mean the the exchange we had was like. This guy was strung out on something big time and he was just I out to lunch so my wife wanted me to call the police but I thought if I call the police they're gonNA come this guy's. Just you know screwed it up. It's not a he's of no danger that I could see didn't have any weapons or anything just out of it so we started the talk. It took Dan forty-five minutes but he talked the guy down. Nobody got hurt. If you G- on the official route with the cops he says it would have been a real pain and then up for with another two hours filling out reports with them by within forty five minutes. I was back asleep and it was all good but even this guy the most patient patient live and let live guy in the neighborhood eventually it is limit and when he got fed up he did something desperate something that makes absolutely no percents to anyone. Maybe least of all to Dan himself. I'm phoebe judge. This is criminal and what wound up pushing. Dan Over. The edge wasn't drug dealers for sex workers. It was garbage a gigantic pile of garbage. The city put in a traffic diverted across the street from in their house. It's about five hundred feet from their front door. A concrete divide with a space in the middle with trees and nobody took care of it. Nobody took care hear of it and so it became a defacto garbage dump people that were moving decided that that would be a place to move everything they can want to take with them so the stack could be like six eight feet high sometimes with dressers mattresses garbage and bags of the crap and clothing. I mean just intense and it's been a big problem with Oakland for years all over the place you know some of the old dump. Whatever were they have in in your front yard. You're not careful. Dan says he'd watch trucks pull up at night and unload mountains of furniture and garbage and he called the city and uncalled uncalled uncalled so you would wake up in the morning sometimes like eight feet to like an eight foot pile of crap yeah yeah and if if the city didn't come fast enough it could get higher because once she had it's like a magnet once you've got a stack stuff. Other people think oh there's an idea and they keep stacking. So what did you decide to do about it. Well that was that is good question. Louis Nye discusses for quite some time and we we came up with the idea of a Buddha to put the Buddha there. Are you Buddhist know. We have nothing to do with Buddhism at all you so you. You've figured if there's one thing that might help here. It's it's Buddha well yeah because he's he's neutral. I mean you know if if we through Christ up there <hes> he's controversial. Everybody's gotTa deal about him. <hes> but Buddha nobody seems to be that perturbed and in general about a Buddha so Dan Lewis made up their minds and it turns out they had a lot of options. We looked at the different ones and she picked out one that she liked the face because because you know they come out of a concrete cast so some of them look more mellow than others. Lou went off as hardware and picked one out which you know oh she brought home and I liked him he look cool and then he sat in the basement for about three or four months because I couldn't figure out a way they put them over there without having them stolen or ruined and those things with really pissed me off so finally I came up with a plan and I drilled into them and put epoxy three bar into his body and I fixed the Buddhist so he'd be looking at at our house in in fact looking through the window where I can look at him so when I get up in the morning and had my coffee and look over and see how he's doing we are you allowed to do this. If this is breaking taking some sort of city code allowed. That's another thing it's best not to ask before you do things because it's always know it Kinda. Just do it and see what happens. Dan didn't tell his neighbors about his plan. He drags extension courtroom is house and used drill to fix the Buddha to a slab of concrete and that was it and they realize is surprise and you just sat there. How long before something happened. It was probably about maybe four months or something of just sitting there being concrete but one morning I wake up and look over and Buddhist white some of these coming painting of a soft white this is someone had kind of carefully done this on purpose. Oh very carefully I mean there's no like paint around him or an Emmy strictly. Whoever did it took care in painting and you know I thought that's interesting and then after that you know he'll have an orange and pretty soon to oranges and maybe a pair just as mysteriously as Dan had installed the statue people begin leaving little gifts oranges or coins one day. He said he came home from work and there there was a big stack of pairs and he had no idea where they were coming from for what they represented. I assume now because of what has happened. The Vietnamese Amis Community decided that you know he needs to be cared for and from there. It just grew to where it is today. which is a total shrine yeah? Will you describe what the Buddha looks like right now. While the Buddha now is is like upgraded considerably. I mean he's he's gold now. His his eyes are painted in. He's just you know he's got a gold raped clothing and he's just really top-drawer cool looking Buddha I he's he's come a long ways in terms of his dress now he he sits on the kind of a rock pedestal kind of thing thing. That's not a grant or something and then he is. He has a house that would you know you could probably live in. If you were single person small the house is now around Buddha so Buddhist protected from the rain inside so yeah and so if you wanted to pray there which they do constantly you just slip inside the building and you kneel down and Buddhists there and he's got other friends of Buddhis- you know there's a big Kwanyan outside ride which is the goddess of mercy but what do you. What do you mean when they come to pray who who's coming there? Do people come there off every every morning at seven Liam the pray and they have this little slacker thing they have a little a little drum that was quick a- and sometimes he'll set up tables in the have a feast and they put out food and all these people coming and they pray and they go through that and then they eat and they have. What kind of community do you ever go to introduce yourself all. They know who I am so they know they know that you are the man who brought from ace hardware in two thousand nine in there lies the problem yes because at every feast day they bring over a stack food and fruit and wine and a bottle of whisky one time and unjust or yes yeah and I keep telling them thanks a lot but there's only like Liu and I and we can't eat all this stuff and these aren't these aren't like your neighbors bringing over food. These are people who are coming to visit Buddha from other neighborhoods and appreciating in what you started yes and they all bow and and none of them speak English so I bow and we all. It's it's embarrassing kind of for me because I don't even know what they're thinking you know but I keep trying to tell them that it's their Buddha and good luck doc within the Os but they don't Kinda go for that. How many how many people are coming. How many people are coming on a daily basis this. Would you say to see at least seventy a day a day and then there's also there's also the tourist thing you know they'll knock on my door more from Minneapolis and some of the on facebook posted something. They wanted to take my picture with the booth for for me as cynical as I am. This is like what is happening. Remember Dan loop with the Buddha up as a sort of desperate shot in the dark a truly random attempt to curtail dumping in crime any accidentally created a sacred place for members of Oakland's Vietnamese Buddhist Buddhist community but that's not the end of the story. All the crime has pretty much disappeared in in in a sense I the drug. The drug dealing definitely is gone and so is the prostitution I mean there's none zero within you know quite a distance from our area now but it's a slow process that I didn't really notice it happening and didn't even think of it in those terms until I read it in the paper in September over reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle did a story on Dan and the Buddha and asked the Oakland Police Department for the updated crime statistics for the neighborhood. Here's what he wrote. Since since two thousand twelve when worshippers began showing up for daily prayers overall year to date crime has dropped by eighty two percent I mean I I think we all have some respect for religious symbols. Whether it's the religion that we ascribe to whether we prescribed to a religion at all I mean there's something rather sacred about things like this. Well I agree <hes> and I don't know if it's superstition or whether Buddha says don't with this or what I have no idea but it worked so you're right. I think people do have a feeling of either respect. Were fear. I guess it doesn't matter crime is eight hundred Ooh I.. I spoke with the Stevenson in two thousand fifteen in the past four four years. Things have only gotten bigger at the Buddha. It's all thanks to one Vietnamese family. Here's Vivo and her husband was with some translation help from their son Cookeville every day morning. Seven o'clock every day thought to when day the time seven o'clock and talk seek the go home every day I make over here and making Mahasamund mixed over here you know put a Buddha in the underdog are here. My Dad says all day sedan here. You're all week. Have we got a peaceful shrine here and make the neighbors calmed down a little bit of snow. We have a peaceful minus and tranquility the Venus's some mornings. She arrives to find that other people have brought new incense and fresh flowers. She says it's a peaceful place. If you'd like to visit yourself it's easy to find these days. The Buddha is on Google maps just search for the Buddha of Oakland. It even has reviews one says best Buddha. This is beyond my wildest thought pattern I just couldn't I wouldn't even fan that time. We call Dan last week to see what was new. It's insane in terms of what has happened to concrete garden Buddha. which were you know it was just on the shelf with a whole bunch of other? Buddhas all just sitting there in the in the nursery and different things have happened along the way like cars will miss the corner or something and hit something or or you know there's been some vandalism vandalism over the years but every time anything happens the response is they make it bigger you know so <hes> used to be just a small one little building and then it's too and then somebody tried to they broke a statue or something so then it's three and then four and then there's a little shed. I guess you'd call the shed but little side building. I understand that the the guy in that building is the God war guy that protection there God if somebody that has done pretty good job since they put them in. They keep things calm. Give her sit back and things yourself. Oh that was really something that was quite an idea. I had well it loo- and I had the idea. Neither one of US expected much of anything except maybe it was shift the garbage in it did that but then this has been outrageous just to love anybody knocking. Knocking on your door coming and saying hi are you. The Guy Are you. The famous Dan Buddha are pretty much. Get that not a whole whole lot but more than <hes> I would expect at this point in time and also people stopping me on the streets somehow they've you know not not even close to my house and they have a reference point or somebody'll in some business. <hes> someplace will recognize me <hes>. I don't even know where they find information. I'll tell you the truth or how they figure. It's me but they do and it's I guess it's nice to me. I'd put the boot in and I'm done you know the rest of this. Is somebody else's work so I I helped upstart it and you know and Luna had lots of discussions before we did it because she's he's much more positive than I am so I always look at. How are they going to wreck it as opposed to the possibilities and she's much more of a possibility person you know she was right as she definitely a lot of things not just the Buddha we spend a lot of time talking spirituality and in the greater things and she's pretty much on the mark on most of it way ahead of me. No just the way ahead of me. She's much more positive in this is one of our we have a hundred nineteen episodes and this is one of our most popular episodes ever. Why do you think the story gets to people well <hes>. I would say that it's positive it's a positive story of you know. Actually hope I mean truly blows my mind that that dead exists in the world that we live in. It's just like it's almost counter to everything that I hear constantly but it's it's. It's not really because it's happening everywhere. It's just that <hes> we only hear the bad parts most of the time so it just kind of a giving thing <hes> you know the the people that they're involved with it. Are I mean they give it's a giving you know of their beliefs and their stuff <hes> and people it comes just respect that I mean we now. Have you know <hes> certain I haven't kept track of it but there's tour buses now that come to visit you know and here's this huge bus coming trying to get through the streets. You know rather smaller in terms of buses to the drop people off <hes> to take photos and stuff. It's it's impressive. I never realized how something like this could do in this. Yeah I mean it's certainly inspires people to better things I think anything else going on in your life too much to mention busy all the time time phoebe talks with our own Kirk Costa after this. 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Get your own hair at all birds dot com our friends at progressive have challenged us to unpack moments that matter in our journey to and through adulthood hood and I thought this was a cool idea and a rare opportunity to tell you a personal story which I rarely do here so I went straight to graduate school after college because I was a good student and I didn't really have another plan and I needed to defer paying back my student loans for as long as humanly possible. I skipped a few grades in my academic career so I was graduated from Oberlin and starting Grad school at the age of nineteen which is not really a good age to be making life changing lifelong decisions. I studied plant genetics as an Undergrad so I just kept on studying as a graduate student. I really loved science and went to the University of Georgia in Athens Tin's Georgia. I was a T._A.. For genetic twenty two Undergrad were older than me. I was Pumpkin blue hair trying chromosomes on a whiteboard. The other Grad students were are in their late twenties and early thirties and to them. The stipend was considered meager but I couldn't believe I was getting paid to go to school. I got fourteen thousand five hundred dollars. A year plus free tuition. This was more money than my mom had ever made in a year and it felt like a fortune at car. Almost no belongings belongings to speak of in my rent for my one bedroom. Apartment was two hundred and thirty five dollars a month. It was really good for a while ended up not actually getting my a p._H._d.. After all my classes and teaching were done. I realized I really didn't like being a scientist. I was a bad scientist. Just liked going to school learning stuff so yeah. You probably shouldn't be forced to decide what you're going to do for the rest of your life when you're nineteen but in the end I had a job. I really enjoyed for a couple of years. I learned that I loved teaching in explaining complex subjects in interesting ways with something I really enjoyed that was my calling and and one of the major reasons that you're listening to me talk right now. There is no road map for adulting that I am happy that the folks that progressive help us navigate it a little easier when you're ready. They're ready to help you with things like Renter's insurance bundle options and more visit progressive DOT COM to learn more about saving money and protecting the things you love love. My name is Kirk Cole said and I am the digital director and a producer at nine percent visible and I work on episodes and articles does a lot of things for this show which is all about design and built environments. Kurt says Dan's Buddha can be viewed through the lens of a design concept concept known as hostile architecture hostile architecture is one facet of efforts to quote design out crime change something about public space in order to deter unwanted behavior a few years ago a community group in Hamburg Germany got fed up with the constant constant smell of urine in their neighborhood. A neighborhood packed with nightclubs and they decided to fight back with a special kind of paint. This paint is designed to be used on boats and will not absorb liquid. If it won't absorb liquid they thought maybe it will repel urine. They were right when some walked out of a nightclub and attempted to relieve themselves on a wall. Their urine quote bounced back onto them. Other cities ace have followed suit. Cities implement design changes like spikes on window sills to prevent people from sitting down Armas Amorous on benches aren't just to give a place to rest our elbows. They also prevent people from lying down. Hostile architecture is often in criticized for being less than subtle in its attempt to drive away a cities homeless population wall cities. Come in and try to alter sure the public's behavior from the top down often in aggressive ways. They're also plenty of examples of citizens stepping in like Dan Stevenson Stevenson with his Buddha implementing changes from the bottom up changes that may or may not be legal. Kurt says there are a lot of playful refill examples of this so park. Let's are essentially public. Parking spaces converted into little parks. The idea got really big after this group called rebar in San Francisco Cisco meteorically and it went really viral online and essentially all they did was they rolled out some Saad and they put some furniture out on the grass and the Fed the meter. And then they just wait to see what would happen and some people stop by and actually use the park lit and as they tell the story <hes> traffic cop came by to and was saying hey I'm going to have to write your ticket and they said No. We've legally rented the spot and they got him to go away. <hes> so so through this kind of loophole they legally occupy this space by paying the rent paying the meter <hes> which is just a different way to think about this kind of public space right we think about as a space for cars they thought about it as a space for park. It's not really what it was with. The law was designed to accommodate and yet they're making the law work for for them and worked for the public but there are a lot of things out there that kind of skirt this line of legal or illegal in. I was thinking about like fire hydrants. That's right yeah. I've been fired cer- kind of this classic thing where you you've seen everybody scenes of movies where kids are playing in the street and the fire hydrants pouring pouring water and everybody's having fun and you know it's one of the things we all know. If we think about it that's that's probably technically illegal and in fact it usually is you can get fined for doing that but there are also cases where you know the firefighters will actually come along and help people open up the hydrants so it kind of goes back back and forth and it goes way back to so there's this heat wave in the late eighteen hundreds in New York City where the city just said you know what we're gonNA open hydrants. We're GONNA distribute ice. <hes> we're going to basically help cool down the city and <hes> and keep people safe and happy and you know all this back and forth is illegal is illegal. Eventually New York came up with this kind of novel compromise where they created these caps that control the flow of water it makes it so it's safer to use waste waste less water but it still let people crack open these hydrants so this is kind of acceptance by the city that you know people are going to do this. Let's maybe try to find a way that they can do it more safely really and not just kind of recklessly like it's been done in the past in Chicago. What I grew up it would get really hot in the summers and there would be fire hydrants that would be opened and I remember very clearly being a really little girl and it's really powerful the water I mean this is the it's too much? Much is almost too powerful the the force of the water coming out of this thing for like a seven year old girl to be playing in <hes> but there is something about it that the city that the firefighters the police acknowledging. Hey we just gotTa get through today. 'cause it's a hundred and fifteen so let's Ben these rules. Let's all all just come together and it felt really nice yeah. I think I think that is part of the appeal. It's like it breaks down. These barriers like we think it you know Oh city infrastructures for city stuff and we're not allowed to touch that and these people are here to enforce laws and put out fires but yeah there that's kind of beautiful you know when those when those barriers breakdown and and we realized that the city is is all of ours in like here's a novel way or different way to put it infrastructure to us what are other examples of people playing with their environment. We one of the one of the types that I'm particularly fascinated by is sort of it's generally known as guerrilla gardening and this idea that it goes back to the seventies and it sort of started with people taking over over abandoned lots of New York and turning them into community gardens and you know started out illegal and some of those gardens have since become legal so there's this group in San Francisco that call themselves the gorilla grafters and their approach to guerrilla gardening is sort of different from most instead of trying to plant new things or takeover abandoned spaces. They're actively grafting fruit bearing branches onto Yunan fruit bearing trees so essentially they're turning these <hes> these ornamental trees into fruit bearing trees in the city and you know at first you'd think who would have a problem with that right. I mean it's they're creating food where there was no food before and that's kind of their take on it <hes> but it turns out that those trees are ornamental for a reason. The city doesn't want them attracting animals they don't want to like have these fruits roots falling and making messes that the city has to clean up and so these grafters end up having to work kind of under the radar we just it's just how many exactly exactly what they're doing this guerilla gardening. They're putting like an apple branch on like a maple tree. I did not really understand that you could do this but essentially you can be a little cut into an existing tree and attach a little saigon a living living branch and then it heals in place and becomes part of that existing tree so you don't convert the entire tree into a fruit bearing tree but you add a fruit fruit bearing branch to that tree and over time these start producing fruit and the idea is that you know anybody can walk up and just kind of say oh. There's an apple on the street I could eat that and it subtle. It's a subtle intervention in probably nobody would be the wiser until suddenly there was fruit all along the block. These are all examples dimples Dan and his Buddha include if people kind of thinking outside the box yes and I think that's that's the most interesting thing about all of this right like like we. We have a way that we think of cities. We think cities is being planned. Things where if you WANNA get something to change. Maybe you talked to a city council but what these kinds of projects show is that there are a lot of opportunities to try. You Know Dan Stevenson you could say I'm just GonNa go get this Buddha and stick it to the ground and see what happens you know ask for forgiveness not permission and what I'd find really fascinating about. The Dan Stevenson example is that people people love it too right people come and care for it and love it and it's become part of the community that you know Buddhists and non Buddhists alike seem to really appreciate you. You just went back there. You just saw you last night. I was and it's amazing. I mean at night you can see it from blocks away. I mean there are these blinking lights. These are spiraling blinking lights <hes> when you get close you can really smell the incense and they're all these different Buddhas this summer white and some painted and they're different sizes different materials and the original Buddha isn't actually the central Buddha. He's sort of sitting off on side and the smaller Muller Hutt <hes> so he kind of sparked this thing but he's not at the heart of it anymore. It's just been taken over in grown and you know behind the main building their their couple brooms which I assume you know as part of the keeping the area clean effort so is doing what Dan Stevenson wanted it to. It's it's <unk> getting people invested and keeping the area clean but it's also taken out a life of tone and what's really crazy. I just found this last night. If you turn the corner just just another block and a half away from this shrine is another one and it's like a smaller version of the same thing but it's growing and I can just imagine in like five or ten years. These could just be all over the neighborhood right so I don't know I think it's you know what started with this. One Buddha has become something much much big criminal is created by Lawrence for and phoebe judge their senior producer is Nadya Wilson Audio Mix by rob buyers ears and Michael Raphael special thanks to Eric Mental Alex Blair and Coby McDonald. 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Shakur Stevenson-Joet Gonzalez Strike Deal, First Title ShotVADA Testing

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Obviously ordered a featherweight fight between chicago and juliette gonzales now initially chilly it was supposed to be oscar vow dez <hes> giving sikora shot as the mandatory challenger. He vacated moved up which now now puts these two in line the biggest. I guess that's enough details now. Go ahead and introduce my co host but before i do you you know the number to call in one to five five six nine fifty to forty one press one one time voice your opinion right here on the voice of the people hotline and don't forget to add sadness gibbs on skype to be part of the conversation kim. Somehow alexander heath no alexander. I'm beth by sending out. The defensive gapped good morning and good morning good. Morning is your boy alex. Doomsday line is joining you with nest gibbs whether you partied hard last night or you just getting up in the morning and take care of the we we can't things we appreciate you tuning with us. Yeah we got this breaking news right now. Yeah my excited of course i am. This is core stevenson ladies and gentlemen. If you guys know oh we represent brick city. Norc nasty gives you know what he grew up so this is something close to home for us and i'm excited this 'cause i want. I want my boy chap status. I i know he's been asking for loma. He's asking for these title-fights. He feels like he's ready is he. He readiness for this kid gonzales. How many people have heard of him. How might be purchasing some fights about him. I haven't seen too many. I did see a a couple of highlights that he had with high romance and i think my voice should core got it in the bag. Listen <hes> <hes>. I'm pretty sure she will be the favourite but i hear juliette is a big puncher <hes> but you know before we get into the fight. Let's get into the politics and the whole dubbed the reason that this fight was possibly going to go to purse is bid was because <hes> they being golden boy wanted vodka testing and the reason they weren't invited testing is because allegedly chicago was dropped from the w._b._z. <hes> rankings due to pulling from the vodka program so i'll just get those details from the article. <hes> let me see here. Both sides agree to have vodka testing which was the major sir negotiation hurdle demanded by golden boy for the vacant hundred and twenty six pounds title a neutral location was also at the center of the talks saux and now the championship showdown between unbeaten chicago whose only twelve annoyed with seven kale's will take on joe wet gonzales who is twinned c. three you know with fourteen kale's this fight will take place october twenty six in reno sparks convention center in reno california on e. <music> as peon now steve kim was the first to report on a deal between both promoters and the fact that it had been reached now golden boy was was pursuing vodka testing for the fights ensure a fair playing field because in june the w._b._z. Remove stevenson from its rankings because the american fight who did not register for the w._b._z. Clean boxing program now before any speculation gets hurled. Remember stevenson is a top bring fighter top rank. Frank has a very good alliance w._b._o. Why would stevenson pay sanctioning fees in two different sanctioning bodies when he's obviously gonna have that fast around in the w._b._o. Which we can see it's not the w._b._z. Calling a mandate it's the w._t._o. Holding a man dacian so you know why pay sanctioning bodies but i know that the conspiracy theorists who say oh dropped out oh they're pushing for testing and that's what this is going to become is he cleaned fighter <hes> but guess what he'll be clean on the night of the fight because they both agreed to vodka testing but <hes> what's your thoughts. I don't know i'm guessing <hes> golden boy push for this because they <hes>. I don't know oh i mean i. I don't know why would push for it like that. I mean of course stevenson's even though he's a lost at the olympics he's been you know he's been growing. He's been putting on more muscle and then even in the future i see him. <hes> you know easily going the way classes. He's a. He has good hi. I i mean. I don't know i mean look. We're pushing for the clean the cleanliness of the sports so i'm glad she court you know accept it. You know no problem mm-hmm. Sometimes you gotta <hes> you gotta pick your own path. According line with your team and your managers and what's best for you like you said he had a better route up he went that way and and now he has this opportunity and he's agreeing to the testing so i see him as clean clean <hes> advocate of the sport. I think that like i said he's gonna be packing on muscle as you grow so i mean this picture they got of him. You mean the kids shape. He got some around us into his arms but <hes> i believe truly in a hard day. He is a clean sport clean fighter in the sport and i'm excited for him in this fight <hes>. I really really like i said been been watching him for a long time. Don't got too much of joe <unk> in my mind but i seen seen lead to higher gonzales. I'm scheming you mean jairo jaw and even though the earlier earlier fight in joy gonzalez career. It still gave me a kind of an idea of what kind of biter he is. He looks like a ford fighter. <hes> likes to be in your face brings his high guard up as he posts pressure on you so i'm excited to see because usually usually of course steve's in pushing these guys back and and really hurting them. A joint looks like he goes to the body but man. I just feel like <hes> shit it going to make quick work of him and this is going to put chicago in a great position titleholder. He got some leverage but you think quick work. I mean listen joel gonzales. I believe he was an olympic alternate. I'm sure he's won. Some nationals people know i know him and and she knows him he does have some power a believer. Let me check box rookie sport in like sixty one percent knockout ratio. His biggest win that i know is manuel avella aka tino a good boxer and joey gave him his first laws disfie- just took took place july thirteenth. It was a good fight and joe wet knocked them out. It was a good win. It's a good win and especially especially if you compare it to stevenson now the difference here is stevenson is twelve annot and already holds a good win over christopher. D._a.'s you know so he he lost abl lost a decision that joseph di s <hes> there. He went the distance with him so that'll tell you something about a type of adversity. That joy faced in manual tough guy manuel. Hey look. I realize a decent boxes just not a big puncher but neither is joseph di as junior and that's why they fight went the distance. You know what i'm saying. <hes> <hes> joe wet is a puncher so he knocked them out you know but ob- eli was at at least like a regional w._b._z. Champion but christopher d._a.'s he was up for you're an eliminator shot and win sukur for him. It was for the vacant w._b._o. Organization and m._b._a. Abo oh belt you know plus the intercontinental i._b._f. Belt so both fighters needed those two fights to who put them propel them in the rankings but again. It's chicago this doing it in less time and he's doing it in a deficit in stoppage pige fashion you know you go back and joe et joe wet you know he's got a couple of t._k._o.'s but most of his fights. If you look are you know have been on unanimous decision unanimous decision and miss decision. I wouldn't say most because remember he's got at least a sixty. One percent. Knock richards got fourteen knockouts. Most most of them are going to yeah like if you look at it. The thing is i feel like she of course stevens just much more of a threat. He's more aggressive and his punching power is is as a lot a lot stronger. He's lengthier than to wet. He's gonna give him so many problems so many problems. It's the height. It's the highest in the likened. The kid knows how to use it here which go back here well. He's definitely in the limelight <music>. I'm like right now with this particular fight e._s._p._n. Is gonna really really prop. This went up. The rumored and targeted date is october tober twenty six in reno. It's going to be on e._s._p._n. <hes> so once again not once again looking looking like disowning e._s._p._n. Working well you know playing well because ramirez was on zone and now it's zones owns. Turn share someone and put them on <hes> e._s. Descend what other collaborations have done in his own golden boy deadly hook over mira's they they also sell seed over mirror saito hooker right so so so zone lent hooker to e._s._p._n. They did that on e._s._p._n. Spieth was succeeded then he beats though so then they did ramirez hooker unification on zone and then now the doing this and that's going to be on the s._p._n. So i'm not i mean you know at least plan fair with each other. Which is what we want to see. We don't want you know things to get in the way of of the fights that we want. We don't want held up yeah. We don't want their egos to be roadblocks and it's good to see this was headed for. I did so you know. We have to applaud both entities. This was headed for. I did about two days ago. There was an article saying that you know these. These guys were going born and then boom. They struck a deal which is fantastic. You know let's get straight to this unit. I mean ammos definitely flee. It's always good for <hes> for the for the sport. I mean excuse me for the fans when the boxing promotions a work alongside each other and give us the fights that we really wanna see you know i mentioned the of course steve's in you know he being longer and taller but <hes> i'm looking at stature. Joy gonzales actually has a two inch reach advantage on <unk> for 'em unless unless boxing breaking has a a glitch in the matrix i'm seeing <unk> reached sixty eight joe who at seventy so i don't even know if <hes> the high is going to be much of a of advantage for <hes> for shukor looks like it's gonna be. It's gonna be <hes>. I i mean to just i just think is going to be the speed man the speed pete and and the mind he being chicago for is a quick thinker in the ring. You know <hes> he he and he's an aggressor right. He's not sitting around letting a fighter. Get comfortable sitting around letting a fighter thinks thank. He's got them. Consistently you know <hes> on the defense in my opinion and this is <hes> this is title title for for what title is this. What sanctioning body are we on. Are they fighting for biagio w._b._o. Who who who's. Who's the other title holders in this division. <hes> let me pull that up. Give me a cirque here. I wanna i wanna do a quick. <hes> quick comparison comparison look at at what what awaits either of the two fighters if they win i mean like i said you know you're titleholder. You got the leverage yea but astra's certain fights and i should course stevenson on a fast pace he he he wants to he want he. He's chasing greatness the house of road oh giannis far and wide to bring you exceptional quality kitchen and bath fixtures in all of this. You'll see the details of your own story. The story of life well-crafted crafted welcome to the house of ro twenty books. You swear you were going to read you. A half dozen sweaters courtesy of grandma. There are countless things you cherish on the inside of your home. That's that's why there's james hardie fiber cement siding on the outside discover the unrivaled protection of fiber cement siding for your new home at james hardie dot com. I see him taken serious fights right after joe gonzales <hes> sikora yeah yeah i mean you know he's gonna you want josh referencing next someone that he's been acting for. It's the i._b._f. Champion he signs a frank warren frank warren and e._s._p._n. Already have a pre existing assisting relationship with their dealings with empty k. global on e._s._p._n. And their dealings with tyson fury in e._s._p._n. Initially like i said this is who he was going for for but it didn't work out that way or he got this better opportunity in the w._b._z. In his eyes he wanted vow dez right. Vow dez was was the one that was supposed to fight chak or he was the champion but now he's moving to thirty-five staying here at one twenty six to face joe kansallis for that they can be also the other champion in the i._b. F is josh warrenton. You had the w._b._z. Champion fights once a year gary russell junior and on the bbc side lille lille santa cruz w._b._z. A super champion and then you got can zou or canucks something like that the w._b. Regular featherweight champion now leo santa cruz has has been rumored to move up or wanting to move up. There was a lot of rumors of how he wanted to face jovanka <hes> moving up so you know that i don't know i guess he's not face in german to anymore because we see devante moved up or maybe he he can still. I mean well well. There is room divider versus <hes> <hes> would you call it rumors ivanka. It's a facing judokas gamboa's for that w._b._a. So oh yeah yeah yeah. A lot of people talking about that. Which i think is a great fight. <hes> you know some people talking smack about it but in it all depends on where your your rookie so gamble has been you know if he's been hanging out eating twinkies and ain't gonna be too much of a good look for him. These guys have been doing their lives eight weeks but in a lifestyle has a lot to do with it too so devante <unk>. I definitely watch leo santa cruz though <hes> has he has he had a trouble making that wait for what's the reason for him going up is he will leave santa cruz. I mean he's been there for a while right and you know hell if i know why he the and <hes> gary russell haven't unified yet gary russell claims lille doesn't wanna fight him. I don't know this is happening. Where would we be able to see this fight wh- yes yes no no no stevenson versus. Joe wagons is taking place on e._s._p._n. And reno october twenty six on e._s._p._n. But yeah man look this. It was just a little quick report so that you know our up and coming. Prospect contender you know is going only for his first title shot after twelve fights. You know who i can think of off the top of the who's done that general down. That's the only dude. I know that at twelve welfide got a title shot. You know obviously changle done it before. <hes> i don't know someone who have to check if got one before twelve but this is crazy impressive and and verses <hes> gillette gonzales no less. That's impressive as well <hes> you know he is is. I don't know he's he's bro. This is this is. This is good because again. It's not his full. He's fighting for vacant. He was going to face the the champion camping. He was the mandatory. The champion decided to move up. You know the champion could've done with jamaal charles. He could have felt the stress in the public and beeline. I'm going to stay here. I ain't duck and i duck in chicago but he's like i'm moving up and he moved up vacated and enters joe gonzales and chicago gets his first title shot <hes> and it becomes a vacant but it still versus a good opponent in jail wet twenty three and fourteen cao's golden boy heavily todic arctic saudi contender so yeah man catch us on border wars in about an hour. 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"Hello everybody this is van Dusen. And it's been awhile since you've heard from us but I'm excited to announce that we are back that not the small business success podcast anymore. We are changing our name. Our company name changed from fusion. Soft to keep and the podcast is now small business buzz. We're going to be bringing bringing you news tips and insights to help you run your small business. I'm also super excited to announce that we have to new hosts that will be on the show crystal huffed our social media via manager and Rob Stevenson growth marketing manager. They are both fantastic. And we'll have lots of great conversations with him and you will still here occasionally from me and one of our our new producers. Derek Carr you are. I knew episode is going to drop in a couple of weeks so if you're subscribed to the current feed you're going to get it no problem if you're not subscribed than go subscribe to our old feed the small business success podcasts and you'll start getting new episodes. Thank you so much for tuning and we can't wait to talk with you more and.

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RHLSTP 216 - Tiff Stevenson

Richard Herring's Leicester Square Theatre Podcast

1:16:27 hr | 1 year ago

RHLSTP 216 - Tiff Stevenson

"Hello, welcome to another edition of Richard herrings Linda, this is bomb with tiff Stevenson there, going to be one. We really grant this week. It was really good. We recorded it, it was I'd say top three Gaza, we've ever done, but we give every guests the rights to not put out the costs. And either Richard E grant always team of decided they do not want the podcast go out. I don't know why. Anyway. Never mind. He was really lovely and I- Kombi his fault. He's so nice. And he gave me some free perfume, as your but accident has you'll see the stop this anyway. Go to spur dot co dot U K to find out more about the podcasts Gutteridge tearing dot com slash gigs to find out if I'm coming anywhere near to you is worth coming to see it live just in case, the guest decides not to put it out. I'm not angry. Fleas welcome. Nine next guest. It's realistic with tiff. Stevenson out, you enjoy it lays gentlemen. Welcome to let the square the please welcome. A man who liked last week's guest has just released his own fragrance. Rigid. I think the joke. Hello, welcome to yes. Another episode of rich. Hold on. Was on the wrong page. I know what it is of Richard herrings, long strong. Would it be met not reading welcome to another episode of Richard hirings, long strong tongue podcasts. It's every the guest is going to have a long tongue, which has the longest Balser the strongest tongue. Nope. It's variety of. Tung strength tests. But I was under the dunk with John Travolta, live in John. A day. And they said, if I would agree to leave them alone to make out that they would call it. But I stayed and watched anyway and nothing happened. John je vote is making up. I'll tell you so. Last week guest Richard E grant that if you were here for that one. Sorry you missed him. He is. He's bribes own fragrance called Jack. And the accident left this behind he didn't give it to me if that's ninety five quit for that is fucking taking the size. Now I thought you booking to me. Abol. Taya Pepsi to ninety five spending more handy. I've got some on July. I. I walked in these people. Here's if it's really. This is Richard E grounds personal stash. Or do you think it's nice and then going to keep out? I mean like we could I know I could get it back to his agent really easily, but he's got the fucking stuff and his night and cost him. Ninety five does he gets free. So thank you for that, Richard. He was liberal gift. But I will accept it. Anyway. This week's guest has brought me as lovely a gift as well as she is probably best known as Montana amounts. Football is wives TV. Well, that is find out. We could be icing tips Davidson. Percent hit. L'ecole if this much. The stickers, everything I'm just said to Richard E Guam backstage, that he'd come out and been really funny and charming and that wasn't his job. And it was a bit of a dick move. Because I'm the professional funny president. I'm not sure what do you think he took it? Okay. I think it was. All right. He seemed to just about ride the storm of me being rude to him. Good. I think he was. I think he enjoyed it. Yeah. Yeah. He. He tap along crowd. Was he will say moist with his own fragrance? Knocks the fragrance in this school. It didn't smell it can have. Yeah. Well, it's other program. Ten quotas sprain. Is it gonna charge take out? And that's his personal one as well. I mean it's bold or put it straight on my wrist. Oh, it's nice. Mommy, miss x. Spit. Teach back away for I mean women's smoke. Sure it just yes. It's quite it's quite Manish for me. But it's some citrusy notes which I do lying. Like, I'm going to stop buying it and wear it around just when you determine. Once there's herring. Smelling of marijuana again. So what was FU? Everyone knows you from me football, his wife's TV was that was that it's not football as wives. Rosen phobias wise, footballers wives TV was a spin off, and I'm surprised they allowed you know sh. I think it was shed productions to make shift productions made football. His wife wives wife, that would have been a different show. Visit documentary following Victoria Beckham. No, it was. They made footballers wise. And this was like piss take off a Bill is wives made by the people that made football as was. So it's kind of like a daytime TV's of Richard and GD. Who imagine imagine making a show spoof? Richard GD shy. So it was kind of like a spoof, daytime TV show where there were lots of people in it. I feel like Katherine go. I was going to say, Katherine Parkinson business from focus, and those a fee Matt. Green was also in it. So it had like the usual experts, he would get in daytime TV, and I fight a character Couve Montana, mounds, he was like a plastic surgery obsessive, and I was doing a sponsored we came up with this. It's so stupid a sponsored fun von to I'd had a boob job I could only afford to get one dumb. So is trying to raise the money for the other two that was. Is the jokes like what? Solemness cypher being if you and then one of the other ones had my entire face mocked up for plastic surgery with the signature of the surgeon on it, because it was like the whole point of surgery. Is that people know you've had it done. You know, when everyone to know I'm having to Clive Eastwood, and this was so ahead of his time, because that's basically what the Kardashians do. Now, they just put their Instagram videos up, when they're going in having hamsters piss short into their lips and broadcast it to the world. So it was actually it was very head of it's time to to ahead of his time. Probably. But I was what she I really watched the office the other day hold that sitcom the office and I was surprised to see little tiff Stevenson pop up in that is, I think the last time I wished I didn't know he's almost the worst that longtime ago and then they were Ireland so young. Oh, I remember, he's a great story about this. I can share because I've what with ash Ashton listen, so hopefully will hire me again, but originally, I auditioned for different parts. Now this happens to me a lot I go in, and they go she's good. But. We don't see her as that. So then I go back and do something originally, auditioned. I think the characters go, Donna played by Sally Bretton and Sally annoy used to got for law of the same part. She doesn't know it by fucking how you. No, I'm taken, she's lovely, and she's really talented. I mean, not much more talented than me. I don't know if opinion that we used to go for the same jobs. And she had dark hair at the time I was blown because mainly been blunt. But so there was a few, there was another show called absolute power, which I think copetition for she got the Paul, and then I didn't episode. So she was she was definitely the bride. And I was the bridesmaid in these and ours, but who's winning now, who's in LeicesteR square when this podcast now Sally me, so yet, so I think originally, I went up for the Paul Donna did good audition there. Will they just offered me this other part? And my agent at the time I used to be with this woman, call jam each malaria, and she spoke like this. And I remember she used to call me up about additions, it, darling. What is it doing? What does he want to do, because you're doing an acting? I'm acting you doing an acting you're writing. Now, do you want to do stand up comedy? I don't understand. Dahlie, also Trump, the double barrelled name because everyone thinks you're well to do and you'll fucking not. So, yes, the head was so originally, she said, we do take this part is too small. You know, and look at small roles. That's all you'll ever be offered. So don't do it. And I went up, I think the scripts really funny and wanted to I think this is going to be a phenomenon and I was right. And then I had more money than than I've ever from doing anything else. I'm in such a short period of time, but I would get these back in the days, you'd get residual checks in the post them once a check turned up for about ten grand ninety five minutes. I just off the blue. Like I don't think I wouldn't have go paid anywhere near that to do the shy. So, you know, it was it was great and looks wise. But rigidly they asked me to do a seeing this was the story. I should the I don't know if I'm allowed to tell help I'm going to. Is the onset. They wanted someone they wanted like Ralph innocence character. He played Finci. They want him to bang someone I'd call on it, and I was so young when I did this job. And so I'm probably about twenty twenty one and so they came over to me like action, some of the other juices, so we just be really funny. If he lot fucks you, I've recalled on it. And I went I don't think so. I was doing the smoking sane. And I was I didn't think so. No, I don't want to do that. It's no in the script since and the courage to say that, and then they literally went along to the next actress, and when do you want to be buying for a couple, and she went no? Like, like it wasn't like my acting was so mazing. She could really take during on a call on it. She says she's got the skills for it. So, so that was a little moment where like stood up for myself. And I was quite proud at the time Ed grades. Thanks. We see you. We're suicide out as an act before we became stunned up. Yeah. Yeah. Now seen you still doing it. That's awkward. I've been but you were just an active. You were dizzy rascal video, I didn't know that. I found that today. Cashed. Yeah. That was that was my friend. Wiz. I mean, a music video directors have sheep in names now that like spike or whiz, or squid, not real names. And he just asked would I come and do this video, and he was going to put suffer Jetson, and it was they, we're going to be have call mocks as ashes and all kinds of weird stuff, which they do. And it was it was a remake of e day cash the Stevie g song in other one that goes money talks. And then I had to lip sync because I didn't get to sing even though I can, which is annoying. So I just sort of lips in can lead this parade going through the streets while, while dizzy sort of Donald around amongst us, and there was someone dressed up as representing capitalism's Ronald McDonald. I'd fill out the director's vision was confused. But it was cool. It was called to being in the video. Yeah. I'm very spring site to know. You office were dizzy, rascal at no, these things, when I met you. Yeah. I just kept them secret. Yeah. I should I should start opening with their gigs. Yeah. She put from office on you. You wouldn't believe how much that is. I was just in LA and this happened to me, so they because the office just ends up being the ones thing on your CV. And I'm like, it's the smallest thing I've ever done. So people always bring it up. And always at the improv in LA and crate, Robinson was there who's in the American office. And he's who plays the Pontiac bandit brute Brooklyn, nine nine, which is yes, that's my favorite character is, but someone introduces backstay like backstage is a bit you of the back of this is tipped shoes in the UK office. And you're in the American office hand, he's like ju sing, and I was like, yeah. Bit, and is what did you sing those? Oh, I d this thing where I, I do Stevie nicks, turning into cartman. And he's not cool. And then he got up on stage she's up fifty minutes. And so he's like tip Stevenson's here. And you could sell like literally no single person in the audience, the improv as the excuse excruciating. She's in the UK office, and then he got me up to sing with him. And that was that was one of those things where he got this would only happen in LA this shit, dude. The common thing now to here. Okay. All right. Okay. Now he you go again, you say you want free bird who am to bring down. It's. You should really. Have you any dreams you lack to shit deeds? The moves from member lachey you have and what you love. LSU. Right in the organization. It's such a stupid thing. So she used to preface it with the whole bit about how like shed quavo KOMO lifestyle while she was in, and I think that's what did it because there's kinds of rumors around. Around. They used to get up to that. I mean, if I could go back to a period on I'd like to be in that sort of dressing room, just when like Stevie nicks with Don Henley from the eagles, when it was kind of like and that fleet with that moment. I think would be you'd love to be a fly on the will not fly gets word, just be in the in the room. Yeah. That flies. Right. Word about it. So you one of the first things you did it was, and we start to stand up in, in the two thousands right about teeth thousand six because I met you random by that time, but you did what it was a bit after that and show me the funny was about. Thousand eleven it doesn't instantly come up fee. Rich should remember it. So there was a patch. Tamil talent show of comedians, basically people remember this guy. Yeah. One person is very damning for ATV. Yeah, two thousand we addition for. I mean it was kind of like mad at the time like. There were a lot of people who went up for it. And then there was a width thing of like a might be the only woman in the ad. I want to do it if I'm the only woman. And at the time I just saw sore it as a fun challenge thing to, to sort of. And then I had comedians comedians talking about, and that's a bit devastating. When you hit people's opinions of like, why would you do that? You know, and you didn't I will other opportunities, I was getting off the dime choice to do a thing. I thought it would do quite well on so. But it was it was so crazy. I feel like it was a shame because it was a missed opportunity in that. They didn't know what the show was. It was so hard, the apprentice, it was so of a bit like X factor. But it wasn't really because the comics pro. Comex in the one mistake they made I think was never showing any of the COMEX being good before, but genuinely these people made a living doing stand up, maybe with the exception of Elliott de even six months, maybe like, yeah, like Ellie Ellie was really knew at that point, and did really well on the show, but I think, like maybe she's been doing it year but mostly everyone on it was making money from doing stand up and what they could have done was gone. These why we pick these ten COMEX and showed like a couple of minutes of everyone doing really well just to get the goodwill in the room. You know, you need a couple of doors as we saw. So, you know you just need that to get everyone behind it. And so I felt. Like this do people. Watch that you come to my tool shows and stuff. And I'm very grateful for them and I had fun. It was a nice experience for me was a bit. Like I did a show called best man's speech people right here love. It was just pretty felt like a bit thrown gain. I sound like you would going to help people to write best man's speech. They go comedian in. Oh, that sounds like quite interesting idea. But then they just did so stumps, that didn't really impress stunts with these guys didn't really in any way help with that would just meant to be good TV like a guy pretended broken both his arms and persuade passes by to help them make a phone call, you know, this isn't any help. This is not going to help this. There was no mentoring, there was no sing Dannon working to specimens, which was just a loaded stupid things, and then they did the best months, which the there's a bit like that was in. You had to do perform in all the places we had to perform in places like. No, we live pokey was great. What we had to do with house like find someone called Michelle in Liverpool because of the Beatles song. So it was just coming on. Michelle may sh- is there a Michelle like it's like you didn't get to see Hof the stuff that was fun lot. We went to meet this woman who had a restaurant. And we talked about making Scouse. And those kind of fun bits. We're gonna hair Silom for one of the Minnelli went off and had our feet nibbled by those creepy fish, you know, they didn't show any of the those kind of bids. So it was all any of the bids were, we will set backstage to shoot the shit because comics of funny when together. So that was one of the funny things ripping each other little bear or everyone's getting pissed off with call. Annoyed at Patrick for over running relentlessly in a televised competition base. Fine whatever. So, you know that you've kind of missed all the fun of that really. So that, that was a shame I think, but obviously, she was in it as well. And Steve's stews dumb well outfit. I'm ready. Well outfit, you know, and I, I think one of them well anyway, thinking it's always just a risk in those things, he's going into the jungle of doing anything, the weighing the risk of the good it can bring we do risky, though, because it's a show about being was being funny in the jungle is, like, how well can you handle eat testicles which as we found out from ritually Guam, pretty well. But the point of this show, it didn't seem that risky to do it because, oh. Other some people just like some of it's me, I loved about that show was that everyone is exactly how you expected them to be the COMEX on the circuit comics. Did watch it and loved it was like? Cole was exactly how we expected him to be or life. Patron was everyone was pretty much themselves on say, but I didn't think it seemed that risque at the time, but you know. With hindsight, would I again, actually, I would because I played for the final, we did the Apollo, and that could watch by something like four million people live, and that was quite exciting to do that. And we got paid a fair Trumka money to do that. And we went on a little tour after. So it was it was a good learning experience. I mean, even even doing stand up now for so like a decade or a bit more decade in eighteen years. Yes. So it's really hard thing to get into now is really hard thing to get your head above that parapet and get people to see you. So it's the so much competition. Now, which when I started there wasn't every is there was, maybe fifty comics who who'd go to Edinburgh when I started. And now you go to a thousand coming in bro. So you got to find your way to stand out and I know you've talked about this a lot, but there's a removed in London on the other week, he was talking about how her by travel show with we go Burke, didn't get green lit, you, you quite visit for about about how there's a lot of male lead travel shows, and they're not very, many female lead travelers, one CPAC of comics of comics, then people kept messaging me saying Joanna Lumley, and I'm not. Issue comic. Judah Djaama's, Steve. That's what I was getting. I often actually I do wonder if bootleg Joanna Lumley. I'd have a lifelike Joanna. They do wonder that the maybe on a hot spring with monkeys. How lovely? But I think feel like I feel like it was one of those things where just every now and then inequality it's someone's really enjoying. Call. Let that goes someone Jong 'cause made it sound vaguely creepy. How? So I think there's something I. Might be monkey. I think. Give him that loss. And we've remained. If I see an inequality ESP Cup about, and then I'm like, sometimes probably cost me, you know, there is a cost to being the one shouts about thing, and then you about it, and then they shit. We bet saw out, but don't give it to her because she wouldn't fucking shop about it. You know, sometimes I wonder if that if that if there is a cost like I had a show that we pitch Mira Sayel, which was just fast guiding to free to call is Blue House and Mexico. And then just following interesting women around the world. Like, and I was like, I know loads of people would like to watch that and may was really interesting. And funny, and I just thought that perspective is not really shown women have very different travel experiences to men like we know that, that's not, you know, we've seen every version of mine, traveling is possible to do so how about just a few women that was all the we saw an annoying America for late night. A lot of the female comics felt other were like you've got. Five Jimmy's before you'll give a woman guy, and then you start shipping them in from the UK. Like, when are you going to give a woman a shot late night? So I just I think that the more diverse is the more interesting is that's all it is. It's a simple as that, like, even on a panel show. The basic say, if you've got four white men of the same age of the same but background and sexual aid that like their opinions are going to head hedge, Monaco. Yeah. Like it just it's just not as interesting whereas, all of a sudden these throw another voice in and it's I did a mock the week with Angela bonds, and that was the first time I've been on that show with another woman, and guess what? We didn't have one single joke that was the same because we're not the same people. The, the idea of having to us, if we're going to sync up and like. Sink the customs. What do they think's going to happen? I don't know. I it just it's frustrating, then I feel like if you're not if there's women coming through now is there for them. If win their shower in guy, make this bag is come on try harder. And it's taking too long. It is. It is. This is only looking positive this complete agree with you. I think if you have to struggle to get somewhere after if you have to fight against somewhere, I think you become better, all you do, and, and that's the positive, I think, is that there are now have a river, very strong, female comedians, partly because you just have to keep on battery of the door, and you have to get better and better. And if you have to be better than an equivalent male comedian would be to gallon TV then hopefully in the end that will even tip things the other way, I've been, it's not much of a this. I think that we have to be undeniable, we have to be undeniable, and I think sometimes what happens. And this is one of the plus is, is that the men get arrested development so they don't get to grow if they get their chances really early some of the younger male COMEX than Joan sort of explorers. Comex, they get success with this one thing, then they have other people writing for them. And we know those COMEX. All that. Material ends up getting written, they're on TV. You don't really know what their voices or their point of view of what they're passionate about. But, you know, they, they become big and that way that the creativity of it and the audit, and everything else doesn't really get to grow, so from that point of view being held back, sometimes just forces you into like kind of finding the ways that you can make it work. Yeah. Interview talking about how you know is a lot of comedians save. I complain a lot male comedians complain about not big on TV, but they're not going out and writing new sets not going out to Edinburgh and trying new stuff. They've got their stuff the works in the clubs, maybe. And then the, the not expanding we on that yet comedy store person that I was trying to comedy still comic. He was like I wouldn't go in spunk my money in Edinburgh. And as I co-, I mean you never be one of the greats. That didn't go down. Well. I believe that. I mean, sure fine carry on doing what you if you're happy with this great. But, like you'll never be one of the greats in this she got in and dumb now going into the hour every night during the hour when two people turn up, and it's like having sex with someone that you fall in love with your life. This is happening, but neither of us wants it. You know, like those experiences, the experiences that shape you and make you a great comedian. So sure. Doing ripping it at the store in front of four hundred people is nice, and it's great. But, you know. That you'll never you'll never be one of the greats if that's the only way you wanna do it. Are you suffer joke about when people complain about equality because there was like, you know, is I said, it's easier now being a female comic because, you know, they still have one of us on a panel show. Time to on the radio one's a lesbian and. And then people die all like the new head of the BBC. I think just this is a few years back was woman of people got an pacey go modest. PC gemayel's. I it's, it's just statistically, she's less likely to be paid to fall. And they can't afford any more of these television. You know, the reason I thought about the days because of all these Popstars now we're retrospect is, if we didn't know Michael Jackson was creepy life, but we also have coming out guiding all gone on killing Jackson. You know, like how about just giving. Some love to the women that have been accused of. Right. Boy, touching kids, that would be just from that reason. So fill out with more women, you got less jobs, have going this thing happened in the, and then there was an NDA. Your bird watcher. Segue. I'm a little bit of a Twitter but there was a bird. Just just doesn't go back to the house tonight. There was a bird outside the house. Let's where it was am Bubis, and then my fiance when direction it was a was a blue Tet. It was it was a booby Bubis. I'm walk out what it was by birds of prey. So, yes, I do like if I'm from driving along the four eight often see the red cards, and then mouth Hoffa Palmach and go could you know, like dry while? Doing like I get overexcited like I once cool to now a fabric because I got really excited. Soya traitors. They can turn the heads as well. Yeah. So I would say I am a twitchy, but, like no in a way that would professionally. I say about this might not, not canon. Proper once but it's prey. I did. I did I did say to Edberg when I was tool support for him. I was like, oh, I am a quite enjoy bit of twitching, and he went out the next day put like these two thousand pound Oculus, the no one knew. And then we went and sat in a high pretended that we as a ten Houria like spoiled a couple, but it was it's, it's a thankless task. So sometimes it's easier to just look pictures of ones you on the internet. Can't canary as one. Cage foods. I can't do that because my cat would rip it to shreds, am I can't is gave them a pep talk the other day my weird. I feel like come to you mean to him a lot of times the dioxide law. Your good cap. Good, you could stalking and hunting and trotting. He trots along. Cooling lay on Trump's gay trots, you, you're good. Boy, very good hunt. Yes. And you when you get those mice and you kill them fake good. Then I realize it's kind of like giving a pep talk to a serial killer relase and what my doing, but I felt bad. Because I'm mean to him a lot. That's all right. We're you in a safe environment here, the Mattis person on this stage. So I should point out like when I say me, I'm not abusive to my cat if anything my cat is abusive to me like as in the I call him cheating on me. I saw him in the window of someone else's house. I go for a job and I came back and there he was something that window sale. And then he rode iphone. He's back. Like I was I knew it. Right. Because he's breath smell Choon up. And we only feed him dry food. So he's been guy elsewhere to get the sweet wet chew now. That's what happens if you if you holding a home. Those kinds of gotta go. Cohill else with the dry was better. Sorry. I was making a horrible sex. Join in my head and the vet said joy food is what's helped Kasese case chunked out, like I don't wanna fuck shame him by a few weeks back. He was on a post in the garden. And he was just spilling over it like he'd really underestimated. Also fence post ratio. And he just. Yeah, he was. But he's also just he'll smut kid. He's a real dick. If you got we used to, we, we've actually lost one this week like today. Sorry, displaced it. But it was it was so bad. But it wasn't as we had to in, in London. A more those have to be put down, but just not being pretty enough. She was she was lovely actually, we adopted two cats bats the cats homes, but they really lovely but they've been bred into bread. Had problems. This is still the white was allies Smith is line. I was the one I liked too is dead, lion line because you had a lion's main. Yeah. I wish that Smithers died. Then when we moved. But at the cheese being the two if I could have them both alive. That's fine. One of the Matra Tyson Smith, this no question thinking about it. I've done the same with my kids is fine. Pets. When we moved house, the people who've been by now that we've got cat with ask, but we can't take into the new house. Do you wanna have to count will have to have it put down? Wow. That's. So they put out news of the guy, we're horrible murdering Boston's. So we said, we'd take the cat synchronize. But then it was really freaked out by everyone moving, and we had loads of were building went on in the house. So we gave the cat to. My parents law to look after they ended up looking after that. So it was kind of our cat. But then when the vet rang up and said the cast down ago five. It's just it's Doug know that we can to life for two extra years. So, you know, in a way of my hair. Oh. No heroes were Cape. Religiously do nothing. So I've got one catcalled Smith as dick vice his dick is he an outdoor cat? He started going out those now in the countryside. Say was completely indoors except for one time when he just jumped. Luckily, there was a kind of roof, the then landed in fell off. I just took a pump. Let's see. Why was jumping? Chilly. So he literally jumped onto the kitchen roof and fell onto the floor. But now he's got a cat flap in the house. He goes, he goes out into the gob. My cat has taken to waiting for me to open the door again. I think it's a weight thing because he can't he can be just doesn't want to. So he'll just he can get in and out because women, they does it but he's a fucking. He's gonna say like. And then going open the door and let him out and he. Bring dead things back, because my no John together anything. See mine back once. I've been away for a few days and my mom had been into on him. And then obviously not like got it the day before. But I went to living women I was up is that smell and he had got a rat, and it was hidden under the table, and I had been for panic. I didn't know what to do because we have a half was away. So I didn't want to move it. So just lit some candles around it. Could we it some to rea- kind of sock? Sacrifice, and then my friend burn had to come around and just kinda dispose of it. But it was really deal with I just which is so of how everything happens in my house for spill thing, I go. And then mile the fuck in house late living with a child do the kid, you not just clean the off. We have one of those is because he's six is long head. And so sometimes will you please anywhere. But the carpet and you gotta get you can't get rats into one of those. Yeah. Liquid liquefy. But yeah, you forget that just is. And they just I mean, there was one time he bought a stalling in, and it was a stalling. It was actually April Fools day about foot pole. Can you confirm how many years ago? Go. Just how can story can score. Don't bring me in just yell fucking story. Can we guess how many years ago it was? Oh. Bbc commissioner. So yes, we, we were in bed and. We he woke up screaming. And always thought someone was being stopped in the like coming, waking up just hearing screams, so I started screaming, so I wake up screaming and there was something else screaming, and it was a stalling that the cat boy he's now so that so that was obviously, what triggered post screaming this? He wake up. And then there's just like three of us screaming and the cat just drops the birds. It was I thought it was gonna have a heart attack. It was actually horrific and then pull out like it was in a by it's a panel Ted in anyway. Which wasn't going to survive. There's a real like nonchalance, which he has. And I think that's being a country squash, boy, that is just like just deals with it. And I cannot lightweight -sego is just cannot handle. He's just lie. Right. I'll deal with this. I mean it was necessary. But did you have to live like that nonchalant? You know, I like maybe if he lets that get to him he can he wouldn't be able to do it, but it's stem birds. The worst we've had birds because they used to come down the chimneys Newhouse had them blocked up, and as the capsules of the get down, but we had three or four times birds and one of them going, why we weren't living there and died in the attic. So I just had to take that is the scarier dead than they are alive. That's scary alive as well. But I, I had to pick up this crow and then you just think is going to come, you know, you think he's going to come alive and get you and it's just like you touching. So I'm just got that one down. We had to at least two have been flying around the house, what for bud five year some years, phobia. It's av phobia, just making out rash. I thought someone might know on a phobia, maybe. Anyone know the word for bird phobia. Wow. Think thick. This is going on in their first couple of series, said that five people shot out. Somebody would have this guy's going to go look it up. Afraid if people talking about being afraid of birds. The real phobia. Probably Hitchcock this done that fucking this scary. The dinosaurs little tiny dinosaurs and your house. Get back to the Neolithic. Yeah. I had my call convertible. Ooh. The other day there was a shit on it, and I swear, it must have been pterodactyl by the size of it the volume it was. How was this come out the sky out of a thing? I don't know how to screw schools depictions. They. Yeah. Minutes into it. Abel's Brown, they'd be likely pellets. Right. Screw shits wood pellets this white. Like we busy, y it was like the consistency was thick. It was it was me. Onto this criminals. Two female comedians houses and on that convertible. That's what you get take you my space on mock the week. In game face, which I love it's fantastic sitcom. Yes. With Rocio Ray. She you play, like, the, the new girlfriend of ex. Yeah. For those that have now what spoil it for, you know, actually quite quite a lot of speaking of Birgit, I get shit on. There's I fall over. I get shit on. I'm barris myself and eventually Tim integration of mate. What did I do? Because she votes it like sort of with me mine, but yeah with just about filming the second series actually I wanted this week. And yeah, it's just a so great row. She just has this really way of writing that is. It's really, really funny. But you said care really care about the characters and she kind of reversed some of those troops as well. You know, the idea that the wacky things happen to her carrots. She went no, I'm gonna put this on the x is new wife. So I'm the one that's constantly so fucking up, and it's, it's yeah she's a genius. She's great is good on another series of that. When when will that be, I think his coming out August September. But I can't be sure I mean it's been a little while since we did the last one, but I think if anything I look younger, so. Fine. Yes. I actually I think, channel four has like commissioned, like a bunch of women, actually. So that's quite exciting. There's lots of new sitcoms and stuff coming out from female COMEX, which that feels like a positive step forward. When the definite, you know, obviously fleabag in catastrophes. Yeah. The Sharon's been great work with stuff as well. Yeah. I mean, I think it may be getting thing is it's, it's, it's suits, maybe the female comedians. You know. Trying to stop myself, saying something stupid, but that kind of the way female comedians minds work irrational, and no way. Just trying to think of a good way saying, this narrative comedy panel show is kind of hard, the female comedians get into as they are because it's that so mayo combative thing, which women can do I, but I think the radio four panel show is generally more chatty and less combative. And I think in gang something that allows it currency developer, suppose what I'm saying nothing it isn't just about guy gag any of any of these things that very funny. Yes. And I think a lot of those mayo comedians, couldn't rise it that they still given them. Let me let it literally, this is like this been a poll. There was a whole thing IT wasn't there recently. We're male skewed and we're not commissioning anything and I really trying now driving to get people behind the camera inviting. And, but I just think that the opportunities needs for development early doors before I ever did stand up. I wrote the script and we made a little taster. But after that, no one win. How can we develop Tiffany as of right? I how can we push further along this path, and maybe in surviving directing, and I'm actually I'm writing on a thing at the moment, which is quite a big Hollywood project, which I'm not that I was talking about, 'cause I've been very much indeed up to the taint. But, but that's the first time I've written for someone. That's not me and that's quite exciting. Got my own pitches and things going out there. But like it's taking me to this point in my life to get the opportunities. I think that the guys were just getting in their twenties, which is, I guess, bittersweet. Are there night? Oh, great. I'm really pleased that it's happening. But I'm still frustrated. That's how long it's taken to get to just to get the things that know script writing deals or whatever we'll develop a lot of time. Sometimes sitcoms developed for male comics that haven't necessarily said they want to act or 'can-do narrative, why. And they give them to them. So I feel like mother Lawrence the problem with commissioning. Is that all although time I've been writing sitcoms again, largely successfully to get them on the Pulitzer, you write something? And they go can we get this star in it? Can we get this person success when something else and everything that's good? That's not how it works. They cost the right person. And then it's better. You don't go. Let's put this person in the gum, you write a sitcom, and then get less the best actor to the person this up. So, you know some guest is easy. The danger is someone well Coke's got fleabag. Now what you wanted about. So that's the. But hopefully, the hopefully the lesser will be actually all these things that coming out, you know, the Fosse patriots, the stuff that's been been putting been put out before and hope for the lesson is, let's widen the brief and look for good writers, you know, as much as anything but female rights, yeah, yeah. Those would be the positive steps, I'm having a lot of meetings. But, you know, I've just been in LA meetings really are. What do they mean? Some spend the time with you. That doesn't necessarily mean something will happen. But like last year, I think I tried to get away a few. I didn't do Edinburgh Las Jalen, I was sort of working on. I did a project with Jim raw to tune. We made these kind of like videos. And in fact, mayor was in them, and people Lizzy Caplan, we made his video, and I was getting stuff away. The I had kind of written and co directed and stuff like that, that was exciting. But then trying to get a couple of other things I've the line that they just almost to that point, and then didn't happen, and then actually was the tail end of the initial everything's kind of gone. But as you now is someone who does this, the how interesting this is particularly funny, but you have to have about five plates spinning in the hope that you can keep one of them going, and the rest might fall off. But sometimes you'll be like a fool of these come off on fuck. And then you guy will at least one of them and then sometimes you got. No no-one no-one one through to the final round of commissioning radio foro. Yeah. We wanna make a pilot and then a week before actually no United side. So actually possibly, there's a benefit now, I guess, at least to being of the female persuasion. It might actually tip it towards towards going. But I just I understand how it can be taking so long. I just I figured it's so difficult for anyone right? It is everyone. I'm not I'm not trying to take down what you're saying. Because you're absolutely right. But it's there's a lot of competition is increasingly competition, the tragedy is you get something all now and nobody watches anyway. You know you can get something made nobody's watching it. Yeah. You get three series or something. And no one knows this saw really in the compared to the old days where five billion people would watch your show. You can easily have a long running sitcom that ninety five percent of the world. How know nothing about. I think the exciting thing is now is that you are able to create your own ways into doing things and having a podcast or going just going to go away and bright this thing and put it on some myself, all, you know. And the Edinburgh fringe is changed now in the way that you can do that as well when it's much more accessible because the other thing I have a chip on my shoulder about. So let's chip more of a baby say is clauses them, you know, like how, what can cost people are able to get into the arts and how unaccessible is for lobby people, especially stuff like the Edinburgh, fringe. When you can come out twelve thousand pounds and most people, let's their parents loaded cannot do that. So I do think that with the internet, and with these kind of, like, free fringe venues, opening and stuff will pay what you won't fringes. It is kind of open the out in the best possible way because any way you can get a meritocracy. And that's what fucks me off when people talk about meritocracy comedy should be a member meritocracy would con- ever until the playing field is equal to start with. And it's no equal there are benefits. If you went to the right school, there are benefits, if you come for money, and you can afford to keep doing it for six, or seven years without actually paying off, because your parents have fucking loaded like so it's not equal to star. So until we have an equal playing field then. True meritocracy can happen, then it would just be about who's the funniest who's the best. We give them shows. Yeah. Really this definitely true. I mean that, that, that thing about the, having the money and having the parents of money's definitely what's happening because it's too expensive to come and move to a city and doing now was again in the nineties. I had my remers sixty pounds a week and get job up sixty pounds to myself for the week public came out of Edinburgh with a bit of money, anyway. But it was. Couple of grandbaby those days. But also because there was there was so few comedians comparatively he had a pretty good chance of getting a job that would earn two thousand pounds in the year. You know, so you but, you know, I said, the first ten years of my career, I broke even I was, I managed to put down to pose on a flat by the by the tenth year, and it was possible to buy a flat London. But it took ten years to get to that point. And that was quick still compared to mice people. So it's, it's, it's got a lot worse. But part because more people are getting into it. People think you can make millions of pounds a year out of it, and it's for most people, that's not the case. Now, I don't even know how you would start anymore. Like that's the they do these weird things. Whether you do minute of stand up someone was telling me the other night. They were working on the door of the one of the clubs in the West End, and they were saying, like I've done a little bit about trying to get back into this show where I do a minute and then judges, tear apart, and I was, oh my. Anything that had that when I started was the gong show at the store, which I did, which you had to get up at three or five minutes. And if you didn't get gong dolph then you would go through to the final and also not get paid. But like, but now I just the Pechiney he's a so of reduced. But then on the other side is if you want to be a comedian, you can be putting out your Instagram videos, you YouTube and whatever else stop building. Right, audience that way. In fact, it's more democratic from that point of view than it's ever been because people will go, and you have a podcast and it can be so nation, it can just be about, like categorizing, which type of bird shit is on the top of your car, and millions of people will be interested enough to listen to that. That crazy. I saw your club and you've been involved in stuff that you've been quite from the day, no rope, which is tastic, again, a new material night, which encourage you encourage the new material there's a rope hangs down. You have to hang onto if you doing old material you to beating material. And so that's every Monday you've been doing that for a long time about ten year. Yeah. So if you're going out, and creating new material and, and learning you know, you've improved so much. You always you always had something there. But your stand up is like so much better than it was. It was good to stop it. But his but you've found who you are. And so it's and it's more you would take a lot of chances. When I first saw you trying lots of different things. Yeah. Especially for Senior Open that new material. And so you taking chances, some of the stuff's not going to hit. But now I think you'll hit right of taking chances is, is is. Way way. Thanks. But I think it's also about kind of being me on stage. It was interesting. I watch the Garry shandling documentary recently, and he said thing, which is saying for years, just doesn't really might one saying, if they buy me then they'll buy the material by you, filthy audience. But, like if I'm just me if I'm being me and version of me, it does not what I'm saying 'cause I wanna do stuff. That's interesting funny groundbreaking challenging all of that. Right. But if I'm being the most version of me and that only comes with time and doing it, I'm from taking risks because every time you fail. That's a massive leap forward. That's a I think that's a really important way of looking at it, and I remember seeing people pull for, I think, when I first started doing very and I never saw anyone fly, heart or die hard, pole third, like he come out with an idea, and I'll be thou fucker you doing. And then he do three minutes on the mois. Nece. Of cake, and how had his own precipitation spit with the K and how you'll host would be upset if you didn't mention Moyes, and it was just an icon to Justice because I'm not Paul but like it was so funny, but I would also seem do stuff that was so terrible. But I think you can I need be amazing if you're willing to risk it not working at all, and I guess it was a hindrance and a hell when I first started doing it because I probably had is on me when I was very listen. Same thing you could do that. And people were going because he's a man is. You know. So you, you immediately have the expectation that you are aware, people are gonna going okay, you're gonna have to impress me because I'm not sure, and so you take those chances they can guess does right. Whereas we pull for he would just carry on no one would say the benefit of the Dow, that's why used to say about it. Like as a woman, you'd have to guy within about thirty seconds to minute. You'd have to and it's not like this now, but you'd have to hit especially in the club gigs within the first minute. You didn't say something great than they will be like whereas most guys would come on. You be three four minutes. Grace before people go shit. You know, whereas for women, there was definitely this kind of I feel like I feel like it's changed a lot actually in a in a positive way. I feel like so many more. There was always women coming out. See comedy by feel like now like women are coming out, and they wanna see their lives. They want to hear stuff that they can relate to that doesn't mean my comedy isn't for men because is love Medac bar. But, you know, like, I it's, it's, it's nice I think that's like, in the last few years, there's been a real thing of, like I know at the comedy store, for example, that if there's not a woman on the Bill. It gets up. So even dawn who used to strip clubs like that's, that's what you have to kind of remember the comedy store Stein is now like we get some women on the Bill was people wanna see that voice at my affect money like an and it has sometimes it has to be that's a capitalist. It has to be almost like to be proven to, to work in that way. You know, but I think he needs to see that the audience requesting it and they're into it, and then he'll be, and I think they had an all female Bill, actually, the comedy store, feigns Women's Day. One day is fun. So. One day as long as it's not on international men's day. As long as they'll have a whole group of men, they would never do that. They have all men will be allowed they wouldn't even let today. That was sterling work, by the way. It's just so annoying. Raised a ton of money on there with that Stony could think about it. The terrible thing about it because I have to carry on doing it now. Locked into it. So. So last year when the first year we made money for it actually felt really good. And then this show is back to all. This is just horrible. It's just into relationship with people. Just basically and just one just worse people. Every this, the people who do, just the worst. It's. I enjoy it. I love just being an annoyance. Lucky in was shut up. Your approval. People in the back of very mouthy. New. Well. Wanted man wanted. Sorry. I feel like I've been like serious those his really funny. And the world is turned upside down has but yeah, I mean, I haven't to rich by size. If I'd have caught, like a producer director, knocking one hour on say, it would be very different. To the store. Quite the same joie de vivre about. Right. Look, alaska's. Awesome. Emergency questions. Okay. I see what comes up. He'll be something disgusting. Just now hardly end disgusting. Questions in amber? Say seem to what's your favorite amick? Graham. Oh, what's my favorite anagram more my favorite word? No more your favorite emigrant. My favorite were anagram carthorse, an orchestra and breed, chiller. Oh, I did. Oh, I've got a story about grabs. I once did I go into I've been trolled by the mega hats and the pep pay frogs and stuff because I did a tweet candy. Seven said something about feminism was council did some tweet it was about the bread Cavanaugh saying it was like ruining everything men on are allowed to be men, and I, quote tweeted, it and said. Candice is actually an anagram of internalized misogyny. And the replies of people going. You don't understand one anagram is? Somewhat joke is. So that's the problem. They're like someone said something like God. What was it like spaceman someone sent me an example of nanogram, not just send it back with your a ever like so childish? But yes. And then she tweeted me back. And if it was your own one of those jealous feminists that never go any attention. So therefore, you turn on a Pretty Woman, those, I actually self identifies a ten so that's all good. Also, actually a lot of attention for men. That's partly the reason I'm a feminist because I'm my fucking dick away from me. My I don't want it precedents back on the chain. So that, but so. Yes. So that's my anagram story. Have you ever seen the ghost have ever seen the ghost? I feel like I have I was very young. So I probably didn't just imagine debt, but I definitely saw someone offering at the end of my bed again. Story. I kind of wish I he's a routine about this always wished. Like when people talk about ghosts is always somebody died in sixty six or something, it's always like headless horsewoman, also. It's never somebody died in ninety ninety build up arrive just blows sticking to the end of your beds. But that's because people don't all kinds of ways. You just never see the people that die in that sort of ways. That's why don't believe when they do most hornet, and they have the Raver on. Well, they have your pass that was just one that you didn't lie. There must be apparent in America. I came up with this idea for comedy carrots on radio four skit, the women could render it was a pet psychic. Achieved getting tree lock dead. I'm Stor or the parents or whatever. And then add people doing testimonials pet psychics isn't that hilarious? And then when I was in LA this fucking pets. Post every crystal shop on every street in LA. Like they believe in fairies. And magic. And that's what makes it amazing. But it also is bash it. But pets are cakes palm readers, this Pommery is just like shopfronts in, in New York, and LA just like yes. Japan rent. I have not. I was going to be a masturbation joke. Just realize palm and read some ribs. Yeah. Never gone red. Talk. Sometimes. No, I did actually I was always quite superstitious and worried about, you know, it's actually quite scared brought up as religious and took a while to shake off, even though my religion quite young. So nearly went tower cards a few times, then I kind of decided I was, you know, didn't want to meddle with those things, which is fantastic. But now wouldn't do because thing is waste of fifty pounds and twenty minutes. Helmet don't have get so big. It's gonna come up next on even give me specifics. Obviously lyon. She asked me a lot of questions. And I was just tell you everything, and you're going to tell me everything. I've just told you back to me. So she was, like, I feel like you should do stand up comedy in New York. And I was like cool. That was the author had finding out, I do stand up comedy for a living. So there wasn't really anything exciting in it. But, you know, I just felt she needs the twenty quid. I'm that was like a donation, give a donation, but also it was my friend, who's with me, Elaine. She's from Boston. And she just like hold takes no prisoners and shoes. I fucking watching this just walked off. 'cause he was like it's too much bullshit. So, yeah, I I've seen a ghost, but oh actually pump from the this. Parisien. Oh, well that's good. Understand why that didn't spring to mind. Appreciative a dead person. Clone not person. I did four I did four gigs on Saturday night. And what happens is often, you'll third how Crichton appears at an operation. He's definitely not dead. He's most definitely alive. And that is a great joke. If you know the comedy scene just about when I started because how do by eight gigs a night, they'd be, how could this work tons? It doesn't just everything runs light and his child sweating and panicking. He's brilliant. He's very funny. But he did you do lots of gigs. Yeah. Well, you gotta you gotta do it, right. We'll do one more has the west of you. Soun-. Ami Lennox's knee. I did again. I was very young when that happened six or seven my dad east management stadium kid Connie get you a gig at Wembley stadium. Probably kurt. I don't think enough people would show up. Still still be good too. Thanks. No, I would love to do actually pull out. We did Wembley arena didn't it? Yeah. You know. So if pool Chowdhry Cam, but no, I think I think it would it would be fun to do that. But yeah, I'm like Freddie Mercury and I met Madonna Live Aid. So a lot of that I met a lot of people at that as a kid and subsequently was not very impressed by anyone. And then my dad like kind of lost his job. And then all of the people that was friends with us at that time, just disappeared. Like it's so of my mom's from very working class, family and Romany gypsies. And then my dad is my dad's family's of rich Scottish Presbyterians. So they never really should have got together. Mix close relationship. And so it's interesting, I get to see by sides of that. But yet, the, the, the thing that sort of is very telling of all of a sudden someone has a position of influence, or power, and then people don't want to know you and you don't have that physician of influence and power may probably maybe quite jaded and cynical a young age. Also, I'm not really impressed by anyone. I did have a Richards, equal backstage, and I looked very over excited. But generally as roll like I was like to if I'm gonna meet someone like any Lennox wouldn't happen at seven, but I was I like to meet someone and they know who I am, and what my achievements are. That's the ideal scenario. Don't wanna let light some snow in the room. Famous person. By I for that. So I hate when I was seven and he was aware that I'd done some amazing macaroni pictures. She has of my. Bet you probably know was good. I mean the audience disagrees. I don't care about them. We just we just put Cam left drive. The top. To some my bits. Didn't ask me for quite the back of your book. I didn't been on the show then. Give me a quite for the back of the book a write these questions of fucking way our. Outs. Chris would ask you Christmas one skew. What is the biggest animal whose life? You've saved deduction lovely question. Ritually graham. For leasees pretty saved a leopard or someone coming in Swazi. Yeah. I'm ever saved the life of an animal. You horrible. Saved the life of my cat everyday by feeding it and housing it. And I saved the life of a big Scottish man by have you ever seen the house you ever swerve to avoid an animal in the road? L woodpecker. Really? Yeah. So at among jock a nearly what they. I was weirdly driving onto the north circle anywhere live at MAs, well hill, and one, just like sprung out of nowhere looked at me and it was like black ice on the roads. So nearly smash my car but not fucker was all right. Very noble of me. So. Yeah. On the north circular among Jack recently, I really enjoy saying it because I recently found out that's what they will. They are just always Dave nights a month, Jack. They've got no tail right. Okay. We got dare near us. They're all together. It's like a river of animals running through the forest is beautiful. And sometimes they run up the road as well. So they jump on my eight one tonight, GOP killed a few. In our land to take my if you kill him. But if you're behind somebody does you can have that. Really? Because my out because then it looks like you've hit them on purpose. My, my sister, my brother-in-law live in the new forest and I think that's what happens. What happens there, if they have to solve move, this ponies and is just cutting about why didn't I is one site of the road. The Don K is the bloods, and the Crips the donkey, stay on one side and the horse is on the other. I think the. I think is the don't case the lots is the one with the table. Crypts the Tj. What means eve like committed to kill only like mine. I don't know one of those, but the yeah, so they, but people hit Dave and stuff like that. Probably maybe rescued my mom once rescued her can take some reflected lower for this. She wants rescued a hedgehog. Well as I rescued. It was stuck behind the fridge growling. I didn't know they did that. Went into the kitchen. I was like, is this fridge broken up. And there was just a head shop behind it. So we took out. So I didn't we say that Hitchcock's life head job. Get behind the fridge. So must have put it there. It just. So they my dad take my mom. Rolen this thing again. They're kicking crevice. I climbed up the steps of the doorstep. And just when at the back of a Frigyes warm so preceived that's why it sort of when in that kind of huddle away, or wherever is the great irony of the fridges minute. It is you should put that on a fridge back. Well, look, it's been lovely have any here and now you have to go away 'cause I want to drive home. Run over a deer. I'm so many stories about directors one king abate. You do. Ghosts of you have ever seen the ghost, winking guy, swine care. Yeah. That's type laws. Wants to Edinburgh. I am show before that. No. Not just about co. Yeah, I'm doing a show called mother and one of the monkey barrel at corpus nine, I think thereabouts and, and the poster is me pregnant with myself. Yes. Like I'm literally giving birth to myself, as a the starting point is that none of us asked to be born. So we can at least in this political climate of everyone disagreeing. We can all agree on. None of us fucking us to be here. So yes, so it's cool mother. And it's gonna. Yeah. I mean, if I talk about now, make it sound so dry and unfunny, but it will be good a promise. Around the country after a little toy, and I'm going to date in the states as well. Have a cheeky little three year visa. Yeah. As internationally known is. Yeah. No internationally renowned, just know internationally known. Yeah. So I'll be touring around and doing it. Yeah. If you know, providing goes well in come. I'm not I'm not selling it well in any way, shape, or form. But I do right. Edinburgh shows. Do does he wrote a few done four five six seven eight nine nine nine nine nine or came? It is a low and some people say, why. Mainly, my partner of nearly twelve years 'cause it's like we just not go again. But I didn't go last year did bombshell on tour. And when not was, I was interesting that was sort of a little bit about the lefty itself said this, this one, I want to talk about homelessness, white. Makes it some really unfunny. But it no. They'll be good stuff. I've also got some stuff about Ben Fogel in it. So, you know, come, if you're interested in this is a Fargo and Jordan Peterson. Yeah. That'd be that'd be behind fringes, headshots images. Yeah. Signing straight white, all of this material from tonight. Going to my show. Rasbol tiffany. To well, how lost power with maybe Tang them. I guess tiff Stevenson. Thank you for providing this music, thanks to everyone square theatre. Everyone pasta stripe at eight pass the British comedy guide guys pretty pool while after tell you my friends. Thank you to my producer whom in destitute. His name is Ben Walker. Thank you, to me. I'm also very good in this and this is Skype Daito go past production. Goodrich. Hang dot com slash gigs. Find that where my tour is heading. He's going to be lots of fun. Come along and see me. Buy your tickets, quick itsel in fast in some places everywhere by.

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