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Steven Young: HOMELESSNESS. LIFE ON THE STREETS. MAKING A DIFFERENCE. LIFE NOW.
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He came over to my house the day after Thanksgiving and we talked hawked and this is a long one but I encourage you to listen to all four things even if you have to break it up or listen to it on the faster speed so that you can get through it if you don't have the time or maybe take a couple of days to listen to it. I mean it's not like super long. Mary and I did a gift guide. That was about this long. which by the way that gift guide is still up? If you'll have not listen to it. That was last Thursday's episode and you can go to radio DOT COM to access links to any everything we talked about whether it was a gift that gives back or just a bunch of our favorite products which a lot of them can be found on Amazon. And we provided you all those links so anyway back to this episode. It's long but we talk his life life before he became homeless. What it was like living on the streets for five years how he overcame at how he is now? A new husband got married. Last last year has a roof over. His head is running this great organization serving others and then we ought to get into the top five reasons that people are homeless. I think a lot of times. We have a stereo. Are you type of well. This is probably why that person's homeless and we just roll with that when really it's just not the case and I gotTa Tell You Sitting Down with him I just again was reminded how blessed I am to have the parents that I had growing up. Even the current support group that I have in my life and family because a lot of times it boils down to that. When we hit hard times we hit lows if we have a support group to fall on? Then you're not. We're not as affected even though it it. It can be a big low but some people have nobody to turn to a a lot of times. They end up on the streets so I found it to be interesting when he went over the five reasons why people are homeless then also how we. He can be responding to people on the streets because I kind of confessed to how I handle it. Sometimes and he just shares little things that mean the world to people that are standing on the corner when you're driving by so it's a really inspiring. Listen I hope you are encouraged by it and that maybe you'll think about how you can serve others in your community year round not not just this time of year the season of serving and giving but year round so hope you enjoy it and before we get into our little chat. I guess I'll just go and say since since it's such a long interview I'm not GonNa do a little shoutout at the end. Normally do an email shoutout. But I'm just going to let this interview role and we'll pick up with the most shutouts next week but Just no I guess. Today's Thursday so that cut off for our four things customized coats for things totes. That are customizable. 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You'd better order them like right now. Radio DOT COM if you want to link to Oh shop us Blah or four things dot com shop a spot dot com. However you WanNa get there just get ordered if you want it to all right here is Steven Young? I hope you'll enjoy the interview. He is awesome. And Tell your friends about this episode too. Because I think it's a good one. I okay so here with Steven and Gosh I don't. I don't really know for sure hersher where to start with you because I feel like there's so much and there's a lot that that we could take away from a talk doc with you but first before we get into this time of year. I mean people are listening to this. I mean podcasts are weird because people can listen to it they might be listening to it six months from now but a lot of people if they're consuming it right away it's for us. It's like November December. You're at my house. The day after Thanksgiving thanks so You know it's that time of year where people start to reflect on what they're thankful for and they have a heart of gratitude and then they start to realize that some people don't have that and then we're Christmas right around the corner. So it's you know Jesus as the reason for the season and it's the season of giving and like oh shoot. I better figure out a way way to serve others right and so before we started recording Stephen was talking about how his cell phone was blowing up. I mean this time of year. Every year never fails emails. Emails website visit cell phone calls of people wanting to to serve and serve the homeless. And what what is your response. TAKE THEM WE'RE GONNA start with this little thing but then we're going to go back to the beginning of when you what your life was like before you were homeless and then when you became homeless but really quickly because I know a lot of people listening right now are like Oh. I'm so glad I get to listen to this episode. I WanNa know who can serve the homeless this holiday season. But what is your response to that. Well first let me preface what I'm fixing to say with this. We appreciate any effort any time of year. I know you do and I will. Oh never tried to dissuade someone from loving on our friends. However I want you to say this because I'm one hundred percents guilty of this not necessarily in just the homeless capacity? There's a lot of different things. People find ways to serve and give. It's not just the homeless but but something about this time of year. Sparks it within us. And that's when we act and I'm guilty of it so I want you to say because I want to hear it to I tell people when they contact me now We WanNa do something for the homeless. You know it's the Christmas season reason. And like I said I appreciate that. But here's the facts number one a homeless individual over the next Six weeks will not be able to use the amount of stuff that they're going to get. They're not going to be able to eat. Eat All the food. That's going to be put in their hands because it's just overwhelming people to use the coin the old phrase people we're coming literally out of the woodwork. This time of year and that's great. That's awesome but what happens and this is what I tell people when they call or they send me an email wanting to help. I tell them if you really want to help get back a hold of me in February or March because what happens come January first. That flood cuts off immediately and for the next two to three months especially. They're not seeing anybody. They're not getting anything extra. It's kind of like the season's over everybody goes back to the real world and back to their jobs jobs back to their routine and I'm not saying they intentionally forget about our homeless friends but it's causing causing effect and when they get back into that routine and the holiday spirit kind of starts to dwindle and Wayne. Our friends are kind of off to the side again and I experienced that myself when I was homeless. And so yes please. If you want to help help contact me I'll give you all kinds of Options but if you could do us one big favor and when I say us I'm talking about myself and our friends on the streets continue that in January and February and March and April and all through the year homelessness is twenty four seven. Three sixty five. It never takes a break. There's never a day off and the need is also twenty four seven three sixty five. Okay so walk us through when you became homeless a little back story of what your life was like before and then what landed you in that position and and then later we'll get into what it was actually like for you and then you know when you came out on the other side and Y'all he's has an amazing story of his. I don't know if you're talking about your wife that's now your wife again now. There's there's so much to Stephen and his heart is is really big and I love because you've actually been there and lived it so you really know because I think there's some stuff or some times sometimes I think as well intentioned as some people are and as good as what they are at serving and helping others. They haven't lived it and they don't no no the exact Needs and the empathy in the feelings of what I like that you say our friends on the streets are are going through so feel like you're you're giving us an inside look at that and so take us back to. Why do you have that experience? Well originally I would say things just kind of fell apart in my life back when the economy economy crashed and we went through the recession. My business went south I tried to hold onto long before I decided to make gather moves and by the time I decided to make other moves. The snowball gotten so big that there was no way to bail myself out. But but what I've learned since then is to understand how truly became homeless. We have to go back to my child. I came from a very abusive abusive home. Both my parents physically emotionally my one safe place back then was church. My parents were all about the look what they wanted people to see so we were in church and I loved it because that that got me out of the hill I was living in at home even if just for a few hours. So at the age of twelve I gave my my life over to Christ and three months later I went to my first summer. Youth Camp Church camp and during that week I was molested by one of the deacons. The church and that put me on a path at that point that as my therapist tells me was the first or step to my becoming homeless because the life I lead after that point and I tell people I didn't quit believing in God. I started hating God because for me that was one of his chosen people. At twelve years of age this was a deacon and to me a deacon with someone that was handpicked baked by God so this God that I was told was GonNa love and protect me. It was my opinion that he allowed this to happen. So so I hated God and I did everything in my life from that point on to go against him and everything that he taught everything the Bible said I just went off the rails and it it was a roller coaster. There were times in my life. I was extremely successful. There were times in my life. I was flat broke because of that roller coaster ride that was on. I tell people that eventually led me to a point of what I say was a God wink but in in my case was a smack on the head he was trying to get my attention and I had a pastor friend of mine told me one time he said you're not gonNA understand what I'm fixing to tell you stephen. He said but you were called to be homeless and Look Dana Masset. Okay you're going to have to explain that one. And he said well he said. I knew at an early age that I was going to be a pastor. He said so I went to school. I got my degree. I went through internships. Everything I did was to lead up to being a pastor. He said this was God's purpose for Oh you in the beginning. He said he just had to get your attention and he said where I went to college to get my education. He said those almost five years on the streets for you was your training to do what you're doing now. Now he said that was your college and I look back at that now and I can see the bigger picture and everything that led up to me ending up being on the streets. Okay and then which I think is a a great perspective where it will pimp enjoy was a part of Home Street homes event in Nashville a couple weeks ago. Oh and you know that the roots of that are from something that Just kind of like a spin off of that of like hard times that we go through can be used for good if we allow them so you could have been stuck in that and you know just dwelled on the fact that Oh woe is me. I was homeless. Like what is is this my life but instead now you're using it for good and with my mom's cancer battle it was horrible and and not ideal and but she she knew she wanted to choose joy but she knew that the joy where the joy was coming from. And that was the Lord. And you know shoots all the time the Joy Lord is my strength and then you know she had prayer like Lord. Use this cancer for good and you you know not everybody I hope I would. I don't know because I'm not in that situation. But Gosh like to if she were alive today to see how it's been used and for me and my sister to have that instead of being like. Oh you know what was uh Our mom died of cancer We we get to say thank Hugh Lord for taking her and giving her her life this purpose and so with you. It's I'm sure you may have a similar prayer of thank you Lord for those five years on the street and giving me this purpose. Oh every day I I tell people all the time. I didn't know what joy joey was. I didn't know what happiness was. I didn't know what content was. I didn't know how to love but more importantly I didn't know how to be loved loved because I've never experienced it before and it was the time on the streets where I got to witness the worst that humanity has to offer but also got to witness the best that humanity has offer but it took an event during that period on the streets to get me to that point and end. I tell people when they ask me about the homeless condition and we hear it all the time they just WanNa be there. They're just lazy or or they're just they just WANNA drink or they just WANNA do drugs. What I found out was no? That's not the case. It wasn't for me. I'm sixty three three years of age. I don't drink don't do drugs. Never have in my entire life but I still ended up on the streets but what I I went through while I was there really started to to tear me down. And that's what people don't understand and I've been off the streets since two thousand fourteen now and my wife will tell you. I still have nightmares. I still have bouts of depression that go back back to that period. Okay so coming up in the second thing I want to hear about your life those five years and what that was like and how we can better try yeah to understand the people that were seeing our friends on the streets. Were passing every day. Maybe if they're on a corner or some that maybe we don't even know out there some that that are looking for shelters 'cause yeah I think there is a some of us are just raised I don't have this outlook but but I know some people listening may have the like you said like well. They should go get a job and you know they probably are drugs. I'm not going to give the money. They're just going to go buy the alcohol with it and you know April. Who is how I was introduced? You are for an April she. I don't know if she got this from you or she just said that. It's one of our meetings. Thanks for the home straight home for the miracle fourth event. She said something. Like I mean y'all if I was homeless I would be drinking too so yeah if they need to go get a drink. I'm going to get him and I was thinking. Gosh you know when my my kids my kids I came from Haiti. I I was so stressed out. I think think I probably had a drink every night. Like glass wine and I'm like is like nothing compared to being on the streets so I would like for you to give us an inside. Look of what your time. I'm was like and what it's like for other so we can really understand and then But before we hop into that. Second thing You you you mentioned it was a roller coaster. You feel like it started back when you were twelve. And then there was ups and downs. You had success. You had failures I. I'm I'm always curious. Like what is that moment. My Dad had some health issues about a year and a half ago and when he was released from the hospital he just was not right. cognitively Medically just all kinds of things and he had throat cancer. Surgery went terribly wrong but my sister and I were there and we have a half brother and half sister and we were all there and family and friends but I am my friend. Mary and I've talked about this a couple of times just with with people that we know like if if if they didn't have us if certain people didn't have their daughters at their kids or their moms their neighbor they're like that had the ability to take you care for you. I don't know like I think my dad could've ended up homeless in not really sort of a delirious like and then he wouldn't have been on the proper meds and then he would be this person that yeah. I pass people on the street sometime. We're I've looked at them now and I'm like Oh my gosh. That could have been my dad bad and they seem totally just not with it and with which is not their fault and But sometimes we can. Just knock that off or just chock it up to maybe drugs and that was it may not be the case. That certainly would not have been if if it wasn't for my dad having having a support group if people don't have a support group that's what happened. So what. Where was your support group? And why. I'm not saying that everybody has to have one. But that's what I want to understand because I come from a family that everybody's there so then sometimes trying to understand and paint a picture for everybody not everybody. Freddie has that no. Excuse me you said something very important when you when you say support group. Here's a couple of things you you touched on a couple of real good points First and foremost When I give the top five causes of homelessness people are always shocked to find out that the the last in that list of five is drug or alcohol abuse that only counts for less than seven percent percent of the Homeless Causes Homelessness Causes and people seem kind of shocked and they always come back with will but I see so many that are drinking and this that and the other and I go yes that is a result of the homelessness? Okay that's for April was referring to not not the call okay of the homeless But so that's so a very important point that I try to stress the people Unless you've lived it unless you know what it's like being out there you might not be able to wrap your head around that but they're trying to kill the pain they're trying to escape from their reality because their reality is horrible at best I so yes. There is a lot of drinking not as much drug use as most people think simply because they can't afford it alcohol's a lot lot cheaper but they're trying to escape from their daily existence and that's what it is and it's an existence it's not living. Its existing the your other point about a support group. No one can get off the streets by themselves. I didn't someone that stepped in and was bound and determined that he was going to help me get my life back so people people think that the homeless condition is self induced condition in other words. You're did something to end up out on the streets so so you just need to fix that. I was homeless for almost five years. I had a mother and four brothers. Living right here Nashville. They couldn't tell you whether I was dead or alive because they didn't care now. Part of that was my fault because of the life I lead but they were also embarrassed about where I've ended up and my two oldest brothers and my mother passed away while I was on the streets and I was not allowed to attend the funerals. tell people all the time when I'm training new volunteers and people who want to get into outreach Stay away from the family question question right up front because a lot of times a lot of times. That's why they are where they are just like like in my case if we look back to the home I was raised in and what I went through that left scars. Those scars still exist. I'm just now better equipped to handle them. Then I was so I tell people stay away light because that's usually one of the first two or three questions that people ask the number one question. They always ask as well. How did you become homeless? Stay away from that question right up front because what you've done is you've just ripped the scab right off the wound and all of that that comes flooding back in their minds and they have to re live every step along the way that ended up with them on the streets. Yeah so I which I wanNA save a little bit of that conversation to transfer into the next thing And then also I want you to share in the next thing. The other four reasons people are homeless number five being alcohol or drugs. But that's so there's four other things and you you know. I have a guess of one of the top two are going to be and and just from listening to you talk and how. Gosh I'm I'm sitting here just so thankful for the bringing I had You know it wasn't perfect. My parents were divorced But they're good parents and and you know I didn't have certain things that you had to go through or that a lot of other people like you just never ever know what else what is going going on in somebody's life and what what led them there. So thank you for sharing us with us a little bit of your story. And what got so you to this point But there was that five year stint that you had on the streets so in the next thing. We'll we'll dive into your life there. Aaron your friends. And maybe what they're thinking feeling and why they're there to l.. That's the letter. L Makes Feminine Hygiene Products With Certified Organic ingredients without organic prices L.. MAKES TAMPONS PADS in liners organic cotton because they believe that a natural product just makes sense for a natural process so they don't use pesticides chlorine fragrances or dyes. He's either. They're making their award. 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It doesn't take long at fifty thousand to not be able to afford the lifestyle I used to have people lose jobs for a lot of reasons. But let's say I'll give you an actual actual story true story. This young man was raised in a family that were roofers. His grandfather started a roofing company. His father continued with that roofing company. He was brought up in that business. That's what he was doing making real good money until he slipped. One day fell off. The roof broke his back. He can no longer be a roofer. That's all he knew. He didn't have any other trait it skills. He'd been born and bred and raised to be a roofer financially. He could no longer longer live. The lifestyle was living which eventually led to a pretty ugly divorce Then child support that he was having difficulty paying He continued to work whatever he could find But but he today lives in a tent. Here in Nashville works full time but he can't afford to pay his child support port and rent an apartment. Gosh so he lives in a tent gets up and goes to work every day so he can can pay that child support. There are more stories like that. Then there are. They're just lazy they just I want to drink or they just wanted to drugs. I had a gentleman that was an attorney. He was in a bad car accident during his recovery period. He got hooked on pain pills after the doctor prescribing. Those pain appeals. He turned to the streets to get. He got caught in a drug sting. He ended up getting disbarred and losing his license to practice law. Divorce was not far behind. And he just didn't you know what to do because like our friend the Roofer this is what he'd wanted to do all of his life. That's all the training he had ever had was to be an attorney and when I I ran into him out on the streets he was broken in every sense of the word and he just didn't see a light at the end of the tunnel and it just took one simple suggestion and I looked at him and I said you do not have to have a law license to be appar legal. You already have the knowledge. Someone will hire you as a researcher if nothing else and you can get back in to what you love doing. He had never thought of that because he was so overwhelmed by the tragedy that had become his life that he couldn't see opportunity even if it was right in front of him and I go back to a statement I made earlier. Nobody gets off the streets on their own right and you mentioned your how you go. Well there was one particular person that you credit to you finally Getting off the streets and I think I just decided for the next thing. I want you to teach us in the third thing. We teach us what we're supposed to say to people because obviously you know we learned from your second ago. We should not say. Why are you homeless? Or how did you get here. Where's your support support group? Or what like those trigger questions anything that can be a trigger question So for you you. Let's share a little bit about the person that came into your life. And how what they just he got to know you. Yes another thing that has to happen before you. You can assist or be an integral part of somebody getting off the streets. You have to build a relationship right you have to build trust which is what you you have done probably with your roofer friend and lawyer friend and yes you are able to finally and then you again knowing where they've come from and then you having the wisdom like you can help them navigate what they couldn't see which a lot of us get wrapped up in one particular circumstance and then we can't see. See the opportunity. We can't say the bigger picture we can't see outside of what's happening. So you can have the biggest drawback to be able to do that is most people. Don't want to invest the time it takes to build that relationship. Mike is a prime example. Mike Dotson the gentleman that I'm speaking of that that is really the reason I'm sitting here today. The first time I met him I stood on the same corner for five years and he came pulling up one day and it was is close to a McDonalds and he came up one day and he said. I don't know if you've eaten breakfast or not but I bought you a sausage biscuit here you go. I said thank you very much. And he said have a great day and he left that was it that was our first encounter but he kept coming back and he kept coming back and he kept coming back and Michael Michael Tell you. I didn't trust people at that point at all. It took Mike over a year before he ever learned my last name but he never pushed he just is kept coming back sometimes he would just pull up and go. I can't stay but I was in the area. I've got an appointment down the road. I just wanted swing. Biology is thinking about you. Hope you're having a good day. I'll be back to spend some time with you later. Okay so how did Mike know that. I mean he had had to had he worked with a homeless before he I mean he just as a gifted spirit of the new kind of the right and not that he's the only person out there that does know this but I I feel like okay. A bunch of us are just kind of like I. I would probably the bonehead that psych so trying to get to know you. How did you get here like wire? Why are you homeless but not a well intentioned but obviously not the right thing and so how do you how did might have the wisdom to know that he just needed to slow? Roll it with you earn your trust I mean is it something Mike had done before now he had never approached a homeless person before. That's okay so It was just really according to the story heat the way he tells it it was just God tap him on the shoulder and saying saying. Hey but and we're fixing to start a new program coming up on too long from now and it's going to be called the one and what my had had come to realize is I can spread a little me around to a whole lot of people but if I give all of me to one I I can make a difference. I can make a real difference and so that relationship building that I mentioned earlier. That's what Mike did and it was as simple as sometimes he would show up with a pizza and he'd get out of his car and we'd sit there on the curb and have lunch together together. Might have you heard of this starfish story. Yes okay. That's sorta sounds like to me. Mike is is a good Christian in man he invited me to church one time and never brought it back up I'd been church hurt in in the past so I wasn't real receptive to that but the amazing thing is as he continued to build that relationship. I'm sitting there one Sunday morning and the next thing I know I'm on my way to his church that invitation that one invitation that he had given me almost a year transpired before that Sunday morning when I woke up and decided I was going to go to church because I never forgot to things. I never forgot that he invited me but more importantly I never forgot that. He didn't push it. He didn't try to ram it down my throat. Because as a homeless person and no offense to Church People Christians I differentiate between the two. They really really are pushy. When it comes to our homeless friends and trying to get them the first mistake they make is as they think? They don't have a relationship with God because you know they seem drunk or they see him this or they see him that I tell people so you do not want to get into a Bible war with a homeless person because ninety five percent of them know no it backwards and forwards they can quote it verbatim. They may get drunk. They may do a lot of things. Everyone I know has a Bible and every one of them I know reads that Bible almost on a daily basis but mike never or pushed it and the problem is if you push one of our friends that distrust they have that has been instilled in them from their experience is going to lock them down and they're gonNA shut you out and the harder you push the less chance you have of getting through through to them you have to let homeless people kind of come to you because you have to let them have time to learn to trust I tell people you can find out everything you want to know about that person if you don't ask because if you ask they're gonNa tell you what they think you want to hear right because that's her experience if you don't ask and you take that time to build that relationship up like Mike did with me they they will tell you everything so wh- obviously started to build this relationship with Mike. What what year on the streets was this because you were there five years do like? How long did it take? Because he's one of the we'll get into how he helped you get get off the streets in new making that that that move But for I have so many questions in my head right now. I don't even know where to start over and then I'm like like Oh gosh I wish this podcast could just Go longer so how we're other people different like. How were you treated like you said you were on the same corner every day and he was obviously pretty awesome to you? How did you feel like with other people and not that? Everybody's awesome you by any means but I'm like you know when people would drive by like how does it feel when people drive by and they just don't even look at you. I mean sometimes they just assume okay. They're asking for money. I don't have any money so I'm just GONNA keep both my hands on the wheel and look straight ahead and not even acknowledge them. Because I don't have any money I don't want to be awkward. What would what would make your day better if people even if they didn't have any money or anything to give her whatever you're asking for whatever there's a smile away like how 'cause obviously not everybody's going to be like he was you that one more whatever like you were his one which I'm very curious about this new program to all that's rattling in my head right now but like what? Just so that we know when we're in our cars because I'm guilty of that totally And then I even I talk crap to myself after I do it. I'm like God that just so. Oh that's a human. That's why are you being Weirdo. Like don't be a Weirdo. You would waving smiled as somebody else like. Why is this awkward so like what? What kind of interactions did you have? And what would advice be to those of us that are just in our cars driving by that just should probably be friendly. Well I'll give you the the three three ways that society interacts with homeless people Number one is they're invisible they just don't exist. They drive by. They don't obtaining knowledge if you wave at them they're not going to wave back. I think part of that is if they don't see our friends human beings then they're they're okay with not doing disconnected. Yeah they're okay with not doing anything Then there are those that it They actually I think sometimes find enjoyment out of belittling and end abusing I had a lady pool up one day and she had her two young daughters in the backseat. She rode the windows down and said it loud enough where I could hear it and she said now if you two don't start getting better grades in school if you don't start doing what your Daddy I tell you to do. You'RE GONNA end up just like that bum right there. And they were both those two little girls. The look in their eyes dug a hole in crawled in it. I would have and that's unfortunately not a rare occurrence. I had a young man pool up and this is kind of a good good and bad all in one story I had a young man pull up and I sold the contributor so he wrote his window down the local paper and ask L. A.. Little go homeless homeless and He wrote his window down and I went over there. He said I'll take one of those and I went over there and as I started to hand him the paper. He had a handful of pennies any through him and hit me riding a face now and then he laughed and he pulled off now now I was standing there. They were like four cars in behind him. I was standing there and I needed those pennies so I literally I'm on my hands and knees and I'm picking the pins up and the next thing I hear. I hear door slam car door close and I hear another car close and the two cars that were directly behind him. That saw what happened. Those two individuals are now on their hands and knees helping me pick up those paintings and gave me a little more on top of that okay. You're just restored humidity for meal for a little bit. I started to think like I had the two examples in my head. I had the you know the the people that are going out and giving one on one time with the homeless community and really nurturing the relationship getting no and then I had the people you know they were just kind of helping every once in a while maybe here there and then maybe sometimes also you know looking straight ahead driving pasture just ignoring you like you don't exist but I did did not I didn't I mean my ignorance. I didn't realize there's people that would just shame you to their kids and and to the rest of the you know I've had others. I've had I had food. Don't pace doesn't make sense to me. Ed Drinks thrown on me. I've had people walk up and say I live in this neighborhood. We've got enough garbage in it now. Can you please go find some some other corner to stand on my gosh. So Gosh I just think like they must be Ha- they must have so much hurt somewhere in them and they're suffering in some way that they and they're they're not they need healing from that because in grace and I am I have learned that. Yeah but I mean I'm sure ah the time you're probably at the time at the time but I look back and and I look at those situations now and I sit there and go God. I hope that that encounter helped them and Dan so and then the third is Mike and People like Mike and I had more than one Mike. Mike hike was the one. He's the one that gave me the most time and most attention and was the most supported but I had a couple that he would come through the McDonalds a couple of times a week on his way to work to get a cup of coffee and he stopped one time and he handed me a ten dollar bill and that started that relationship but it wasn't wasn't as intensive as Mike but it was consistent because from that point on what he and his wife did was whatever. Holiday was was coming up Labor Day Memorial Day Fourth of July Christmas they would come by and they would have a card for me and they would have some money in that card but it was what they wrote in each one of those cards. That meant the most to me. I still have everyone. Oh Gosh I know I keep like a lot of these situations must have been impactful to you because you remember them And you never. I don't know if you said this us but I know this just because of the event and things I've learned about you from April two but you never drank on the streets or never did drugs. Yeah so oh yeah it's you weren't blacking any of it out like some people do and again may was my wind. After my kids came home I might be what people that would prefer to block it out but you you didn't you and you remember everything So okay I want around out. You know we've done the lists. You just gave the top three kinds of people that there are toward homeless people and but we started with the top five reasons a minute ago. Why people I trust me story my life welcome but luckily I find a way sometimes hopefully fault than yours now not at all but I liked her is going and it doesn't matter I just I just WanNa make sure we address it because some people might be like what are the other three reasons because the fifth was drugs now call the? I was loss of job. So what's two three and four just really quickly and then in the next thing. I want to expand a little bit on how might help you get off the streets and then And also to learn learn a little bit more of what what. We're what we can say but I think we'll learn about that through because we already have like he didn't press you with tons of crazy questions. He was gentle and took time in patient and just consistent and so what are the other three reasons. People are homeless number. Two do is a change. In family dynamics number two and three are like only a percentage or two you points off And what I mean by a change in family family dynamics a divorce death of a spouse or child hi old Or a grandmother grandfather or a parent Also abuse There are lot of homeless people that are on the streets because because of abuse they received at home There's he's nineteen now when I first started dealing with him he's eighteen. He stays by himself in an area of town where you don't find too many homeless people and he's literally invisible to most people because he chooses to stay that way. It took me six months before I could even get within twenty five feet of his camp because he would always run off when I started up up but I finally got him to talk to me and I had to make a promise that I would not let anybody else know where he was. I wouldn't even let any of my outreach team now they still to this day. Don't I'm the only one that goes out there but come to find out. At seven years of age. His father started selling him to other men and he has no trust in him whatsoever Except for the little that I built over the almost two years now I've been working with him and my hope is one day. He'll trust me enough that we can take the next step. That's a process so family dynamics huge huge huge but real close to that is a medical or mental health condition. My roofer friend that I was talking about earlier. He's a prime example of a medical situation. It has come up. It's kind of like they sort of go hand in hand like the medical condition caused a loss of job. But Yeah I mean my dad to when he was working full-time time was seventy seven but still worked full time in quite honestly needed to and Just because of some he lived a roller coaster type of career in things different ventures like some highs and some lows never never low low like you had to experience but but lows for his life and so yeah the his medical. That's the first time I really started thinking like. Oh my gosh. If I know I said this I'll say it again because it's just so real to me and I want what people understand it so real because they would someone like my dad you would never think he could end up homeless crop but I guarantee you. If he didn't have well our positive family dynamic and support group he would have been he would have been homeless because of medical which led to loss of job bill. And the last one you just brought up is no support anywhere And you find that a lot where something has happened either either. They became unemployed or accident and they have no family that they can depend on. They really don't have friends that they they can depend on Jamie Jamie. I WanNa talk about Jamie and the fourth thing when at four thing is going to be your life now and in your wife which remarried teas that a couple of times. But and then how y'all brought Jamie and she's now your daughter but she was homeless and she you have a rule and it's never bring them home right except for Jamie and we'll we'll get into what happened with Jamie broke the rule. The rule time broke the rule. But what were you going to say about her quickly. I just wanted to say we'll talk so don't go too much because I want you to keep going then I'll have to be like we got but getting to know her I looked into her family and there there was no one there. You know one that you could have turned it and like you said we'll get into that earlier or later and but that's that's it that rounds it out so so it's just a recap where it's a huge misconception? Where a lot of you would think? Well just go get a job. Get off alcohol on drugs and you'll be fine and that's probably why they're on the streets and it's just not they. It's so the top five reasons loss of job How may I was number two again? The order loss of job family family dynamic dynamic changing divorce death medical oh or mental health conditions lack of support drugs and alcohol. So you have four other really major things that come before for drugs and alcohol. I mean so and if you know I would encourage anybody listening to this episode if you know anybody that has just this distorted opinion of the homeless community and The maybe have them listen to this so that they can and maybe get a different perspective because people to autism is not their fault. I mean but at some point you do have to once. You're old enough you do have to take Responsibility into your own hands to educate yourself on on. What and then? Well it's up to you where you WANNA go with it from there but I feel like some people are raised a certain way and Similar to gosh well how you think of almost people and then just how you treat people that are different than you sometimes if that was your upbringing and that's all you know that's hard to break but it's up to you if you WANNA break it and it can't be broken and then you can you now. Well I had to be stuck. I have to confess prior to myself becoming homeless I had a distorted view of the homeless condition I was kind of like you know they just wanted to drink. Just wanted I was. I was one of those people and that's why having gone through it and learn what I've learned when I got out of it. The the calling was there to to do do something. I could not forget what I saw and what I learned not only personally but what I learned from our other friends friends on the street and so when I founded home st home they were going to be two major things that I was going to try to accomplish at least number one concerned our friends number two concern society and Educating Society about the reality of the homeless condition because because as a rule society has no clue to what it's really like no clue no clue no clue. So that's why I appreciate appreciate you helping us give us a little bit. Even though even listening to this we still have no clue. That's not lost on me. Trust me So next thing. Let's get it into Mike Okay. And the transition from you to where you are now. I'm not fully because save your wife and Jamie for four thing but was next okay nine okay so third thing Mike and you you kind of getting well off the streets into where you are now. I say you're kind of off the streets because you really still out there. That's your daily. We'll be always will be so it's a whole it's you haven't left that life behind you because that's what you now in harmlessness never leaves anybody. Okay if you've ever been homeless I say it all the time. I will always be homeless. It's one of those experiences that you go through just sticks with you for the rest of your life in in my case in a positive way It's truly a blessing to be able to wake up every day and do what I do. I get so much joy out of it But I know some that have come off the streets and it's really hard for them to move on. They do but that baggage is still attached to them from the experience they had for however long they were on the streets some of it could be even labeled like like. PTSD it is. And I have. I have been diagnosed with. PTSD due to what what I experienced and how it still affects me. As I said earlier I still have the nightmares. I still fight the depression But my amazing wife that we'll talk about later she is really she's my rock and she's the one that keeps me going through those moments so she's the one keeping you going. How did Mike help get you where you are? As I said earlier he built that relationship. Now it wasn't smooth And it took an incident that I'm fixing to share with you for I guess things to really Explode between him and I to appoint an in a good way because it opened the floodgates that where I would where I ended up sharing with him? MM everything there was to know about Stephen And that incident took place. It was Christmas Eve twenty thirteen. I'd I'd been on the streets for quite a while and I had made a promise to myself that I was not gonNA spend another holiday season on on the streets because there was just the worst time of year to be homeless and I had come to the end of my rope even although I hadn't Mike and I had some other people. It's still just didn't outweigh the bad. And I was tired of living the way I was living and I was going to do something about it and even though I never done drugs I knew a lot of people that had and I knew a lot of people that were and so I asked a simple question. How many and what kind of pills do I have to buy to end my life and I was told and I proceeded to start buying them as I could? My Gosh and that Christmasy twenty thirteen. I mean I was ready to go I went over to the as I tell now when I speak and and tell my story I went to luxuriance hallmark in on Trinity Lane which anybody ever goes by luxury is not one of those things that pop out but I could get a room for nineteen dollars and ninety five cents plus tax. And I'd say that the money I had the pills in my pocket and it was going to be Hotel California. I was going to check him. But it wasn't gonNA check out and I tell people I was at peace. I was that far gone that that seemed the only only way out for me and I couldn't live with the pain anymore. I couldn't live with the treatment. I couldn't live with the the feeling that I was a total failure and it was my fault the shame and all of that. That went with being homeless so I checked in I went up. I'd written out some letters. I didn't know if the people that I wrote the letters to. I didn't know if they would ever read them but I thought I needed to do that. I took a shower. I don't know why probably because I hadn't had one in a few days and did some other things and but I was. I knew I was going to do and I was completely comfortable with it. And I'll I'll never forget. I sat down at the little round table that was in the room and I just happened under there was little. Am FM clock radio on the nightstand. Next bad it was nine o'clock Christmas it's time The next thing I remember is there was a knock on the door and it kind of startled me and as uh spun look at the door and start to say who visit. I caught the clock again in my vision as I was turning and it was eleven o'clock now this really kind of what the heck the pills were still there. The letter still there. I was still sitting upright in a chair that had no arms and and I'm thinking where is two hours gone will then there's a knock at the door again only this time. There's a voice with it and the voice says sir. Are you checking out or are you staying over. It wasn't eleven o'clock Christmas Eve it. It was eleven o'clock Christmas Day. Wow I didn't no what did just happen but there was. I was experiencing something that I never experienced ever in my life and that was a piece inside of me that let me know that no matter what happened from this point forward I was going to be okay It was going to be okay. I had never known that from a child on I tell people when I speak now I went across the street. I checked. I had just enough money to pay for another night and I had like eight dollars and thirty two cents left. I remember that distinctly eight thousand thirty two cents so I went to the front desk. I paid for another night. And there's this little map co Wendy Mc full blown map co just one of those little mini Matt Coles across the street street so I went over there. They were opened. I spent my eight dollars and thirty two cents on cokes and chips and candy bars. I went back to the hotel room. I turn the TV on PLOP down in the middle of that bed. It was one of the best Christmases I'd ever had in my entire life and is still in the top five and and when might found out getting back to Mike He said for the first time we got DP. What led you to this point? Mike became the first person that I ever told about what happened to me when that was twelve years old. My two oldest brothers passed away. I had two brothers laughed. Nobody knew until I told Mike Nick but my mother and my father myself in the man that did it to me. You told Your Mom and your dad told my mom and my dad. Okay and my dad. Dad looked at me and said well. What did you do to make Kim thank? That's what you wanted and my mother looked at me and said he's a deacon year you I don't believe you nobody else is going to. We don't need the embarrassment we do not talk about this ever again okay. So it was an from that point until I told my nobody knew. I carried that with me all of those years and literally. I knew when I told him and his response. That was the first time I said I can trust this man and let me tell you how big that is. That was December of twenty thirteen. The first week in March chat twenty fourteen with his help. I walked off the streets for good and October. Two thousand fourteen. I borrowed six hundred dollars for Mike to start this ministry and we're going into our sixth year. He never judged adjudged he listened. He never told me what he thought I should do. He always asked what I wanted to do. And he never pride he never questioned. He waited for me to tell him what he wanted wanted to know. And eventually he knew everything there was to know about me all the way back to my childhood without ever having task and that is what it takes one person being willing to invest in one person completely for however long it takes that will change angel life in such a profound way that you you can't begin to imagine the the outcome and I'm living proof literally living proof of that so I feel like like that's wisdom for us to know if you WanNa make an impact on someone in the homeless community Maybe not everybody can invest the one on one right or maybe they don't I mean my ah. I felt like. He's not sure that their stuff on Mike's in the world for sure that can do that but some people might be like. Okay but gosh I still I still WanNa know what's what I can do. Or what's the best thing to say. Maybe if you're not trying to go to that level but who knows it may evolve into that everybody's hearts can be ever changing and some but if people are trying to do a baby step into that You know it is it. I guess I'm just trying to figure out like how when we are. You make a difference when we well I we. We know that a lot of people right now are wanting to get out and volunteer and help and serve in these November December months but so a takeaway as do it twelve months Out of the air. Find a way to gather your family in. Maybe you don't have to commit to every single month but you know if you want if you want your family to be involved in that and you look at your family calendar under you're like Gosh. Let's pick April because we know that's when there's a need and we're gonNA rally together and that'll be our every April thing and then spread the word. Tell your our other friends that are wanting to get involved the like the simple when we drive by and wave a roller window down like is food. Food is is if you don't have money or some people if they're not willing to give money but they're willing to like have snacks in the back of their car like we'll keep snacks sometimes in the back and then roll down in like the kids but I mean even that I don't know I mean sure they don't WanNa turn it away but like okay like I don't want to be offensive and you won't be Bay but I'm GonNa tell you if you want to make a real impact it won't cost you a penny okay. I can't tell you how many times we hear when we're out in the in the streets and I'll see somebody new and My other team members they expressed the same thing to me. I hear it over and over again. Thanks for noticing me. Can't so acknowledgment acknowledgment take them from in visibility to relevant and it can be done with just a roll down the window and a smile and good morning. And how are you doing. You don't have to handle anything now. It's good if you do right but it's not. It's not a requirement I kinda wanted to just make sure we threw something out there for everybody and not is is something everybody can do. And then you can go next level. You can do the snacks or you can do like your couple friends that would give you bring you coffee and then you can go one on blown on Mike on Somebody. One of the one of my top ten experiences in a positive way. I was standing on my corner one day and this old beat up. Pickup truck comes swinging into the parking lot. And I mean he's almost on two wheels and I do what I did. I waved the guy driving the pickup truck. Slams comes on the brakes and I mean this is a pretty rough looking character. I mean very rough looking and I'm thinking oh my gosh. Because he's making a u-turn turn and I'm thinking I hope I didn't offend him. I hope he didn't think I was doing anything. But just waving this man comes screaming streaming up slams on his brakes tires screech. He roses window down and I'm prepared to be blasted and this man that looks like I mean as rough looking as you can look and he looks at me and he says don't ever quit smiling uh-huh and I said excuse me said I was having one of my worst mornings ever and as I started to pull in you turned earned. You waved and you smiled and I thought to myself instantly. I'm feeling bad about my situation. And and he's standing there in his smiling and waving and he said your smile lights up the entire area he said. Don't ever stop because because trust me you're making a difference. I'd been out on the streets alone time. That was the first time anybody had. It's said I was making a difference that that I was a positive and that that stuck with me and to this day is is still something that that I go back back to because I still have those moments were all looking go chase. I'm sixty three. I wasted so many years and I'll start feeling sorry for myself and a little depressed about all that but God always sends that one guy back into my my head and to to know that if only if it only happened one time in those five years that I stood on that corner. I made a difference in somebody's life and that's huge. That's huge and just signaling. That they're standing there. Roll down the window and site. You know what every time I drive by and I see you smile and I see you way it makes my day. Hey you could put a hundred dollar bill in their hand in it not mean as much because they are invisible to most. They're they're a problem. Most most theory there a drain on society. They're not a good part of society so giving them that moment to feel like somebody like they matter. You have no idea the impact they can have because it may be that one day. That was their Christmas Eve. Twenty thirteen and you kept that from happening powerful and and doesn't cost Dang to do so glad to have that that wisdom. Okay next. Let's talk about your wife and Jamie your daughter now sell okay. That'll be the next thing. The miracle on fourth event that. I've mentioned a couple of times here which is how I met Stephen which benefits and supports as a fundraiser for home. St Home is only the second year in our my friend April. She saw you on the news and she was was Kinda one of those things. She instantly her heart. She was like we have to. We have to help. We have to do something credible. She rallied the troops and people have been helping things so the first year I was out of town or something I couldn't attend and this year I got to go and you had your wife there and you're her Jamie there who. You're adopting you and your wife are and okay. So what's crazy is when you got up on stage like when I saw Jamie rifles like uh-huh that's his wife and his daughter like But it's not like it's not this like okay. That's why I was like oh I wonder so were they. Did they all live on the streets. It's together I mean this is really. I just didn't know the full picture. So your wife first of all you were married to way back way back and then you got divorced and then she came back into your life like what a year ago a little over a year ago okay so and that was because the facebook which well that's how she found me She was eighteen hours twenty two. She was my first. I was her first. visit the way back But like I said I was not a good person back thin it lasted a year. We got a divorce. It was kind of ugly. I moved on. She moved on We end senior talk to each other and forty years. I didn't even know he was still alive. She didn't know if I still alive but a year ago last May on my birthday of all days. She was sitting at home and she said I got to thinking about you and I didn't know if he were still alive or what so. She started searching and do a google search. He found my personal website my personal blog then she found the ministry website and facebook. So I'm sitting there that that evening and I'm on facebook thanking people for all the birthday wishes the Messenger Window pops up and it's her after forty years crazy crazy easy Fast forward we started talking a couple of weeks later we got together for dinner That you laugh fourth. I proposed again October. The twenty seventh we got married and you just celebrated a year wedding and we just celebrated our year a year anniversary. And I tell people the first time I laid eyes on her again it was like those forty years just disappeared. We were instantly and we both knew and we both knew back then. I just wasn't capable She was my my first and my one and only true love I. I went through four other marriages that were just train wrecks But it's as I told told you earlier when we were just talking for even started this she was the final piece to my puzzle and And I told you then and I'll say now I would go through through everything I've been through again to end up where I met today. And she's a big huge part of that so when you do meet connect with their facebook and you do meet up and you start dating. And she's like so what have you been up to. And then he knew she okay so she knew and then and she also had takes a very special person to do. I think Mary someone who has dedicated their life to this ministry and she is been one hundred percent behind it Through my personal blog and which is no longer up already research. She had done the research she knew what I've gone through. And and as she told me she said I wish I'd known because this explains a lot I I was about to say she's probably as your wife and you had never told anybody the stuff you've been through so she I mean her mind especially if she loved you should probably having like. Hey come on. Bonehead could help you. But Gosh that just makes me think of a lot of the stuff that people are walking around with that you see go through different things in their life or maybe why they are the way that they are in the maybe if they just had that trust built with somebody or that opportunity to open up and share and get help that it would it would prevent X Y and Z. But in your case we're thankful for X. Wines I am because it got you you here and you're such a blessing to so many people including Jamie who I also learned about the event but again again thought. Wow that's his daughter of like forever. I wonder when you know. When did she come back to his life? Or what did it look like. But she's someone that you met in your ministry and again you have the I bring nobody home rule so tell that story because you broke that. Yeah I tell people I had it now. I don't have anymore Last July fourth this past July fourth we do a big event on July fourth for our friends and we make it a day. Long affair it lasts about six hours will bring a couple of hundred in. We'll go out and pick them up and we grill out and we have music we just let them enjoy. The fourth of July like most of us enjoy the fourth of July which. They don't get an opportunity to to do that. It wasn't about anything when I started doing it about. Accept them coming together and just being able to enjoy a holiday. Well this past fourth of July we met Jamie And she was there and she participated in our talent show that we let them participate in and they can win cash prizes and She told a little bit of her story. That day And it it. It was enough to let me know that there was more than I needed to find out and so two days later I I went to her camp and Started talking to her and The entire time I'm talking to her God is is in my head and he's saying if you leave her out here she will not make it and the more I found Out about her story. The more I talked to her the more I knew I had to do something and I had to do it right then but because of certain aspects of her story that she told me it wasn't uncommon for us to put somebody up in a hotel and get them off. The streets treats into we could find a more permanent situation but I just felt uncomfortable doing that with her. Because I didn't know that she would be safe. And that's all I'll say about that so I called Andy and it said. I've got to do something I've gotta do it now. And she said we'll go ahead and bring her home. I knew that's what you were going to do when you left. She is. My wife knows me better than anybody in the world Uh so I looked at Jamie and I said Go. Get your backpack. You're going with me and I took her home. And how old is she she. She just turned thirty four. She just she's so I was thinking one of my friends asked me because I didn't know and I was like I don't know probably I was thinking like twenty. She looked so so young and she's just so she didn't really have a childhood so he gets to in the video that I saw her. She's like in her room and it looks very young young. But that's in that that's that's special. That's because she never had that she's never had so she's thirty four and now she life now. She has a mom and dad right like goosebumps right now because to. I want people to where the video that y'all showed. I put it on my instagram. But does that the video James Video that you showed at the event live somewhere as is it on our website. It's on your website okay. I didn't know what I if I had just posted like a special thing of some video that someone had taken on the age of our website. So Jamie story just encourage all to go. Watch that video because I think It will help you have a better understanding of I. I mean hopefully even after hearing Stephen Talk You have a better understanding that it always starts somewhere. It's not as simple as you know. Oh go get a job But Jamie was sold as a baby by her mother. The day her mother walked down at the hospital with. Yeah sold it to her GRANDPA. It was also the mothers drug dealer. Okay yeah crazy. Then he took her well paid for and then kept her in a basement. Who she he was eleven years old when she broke a window out ran away right and from the time she was eleven until the day I met her? She was on the streets and then she was on the streets because because she had she escaped as a prisoner being held captive by her own grandfather. Who bought her from her mom so that her mom could buy drugs right so like sit on that first second the next time you drive by somebody on the side of the road homeless she literally had no choice right ever in her life and never even though she he is thirty four? We have come to realize that we're dealing with a maturity level. That's not even close to that. In a lot of ways in some ways it is because has a ver experiences. She had to grow up real fast and other part of the part she never got to experience so she's getting to experience them for the first time we just celebrated celebrated her birthday. Was the first birthday cake. This young lady that ever had in her life first birthday party first birthday present Christmas. It's like we're dealing with a twelve year old. Owed you know because this is all brand new to her. We went Christmas. She tree shopping the other night. And she's going up and down the aisles at home and she's singing singing Christmas carols and she's going dad. I love this. I'm never gotten to do this. I didn't know all this stuff existed. So it's it's been a joy way for us to to to be a part of it and she's she's an amazing young lady They asked her in an interview yesterday. You know what's your future hold. And we have told her one thing she doesn't have to be in a hurry. Ready to figure it out. She was very sick. Jamie's five seven in the day. I met her She weighed ninety. Eight pounds And you could see the scars all over her from the abuse years and years and years so took her to the emergency room The the doctor came back back twenty minutes later and said she's not going anywhere and he says he might get ready for the long haul and I said what are we looking at and he said it could be months. She had pneumonia double pneumonia. She had mercer inner lungs. She had an infected hartwall and she had full vomits so we didn't know whether she was going to make it or not But we we weren't gonNA deserter and Lo and behold is only. God can do less than two weeks later. Her team of doctors. This comes walking in the room and they said we don't know how you got here but you're going home. And she looked dead off at them and she he said I know how I got here. I said I am loved by the greatest doctor that there ever was because Andy my wife life had the joy and privilege of leading to Christ there in that hospital bed on the day. She looked at her with tears in her eyes and said I'm scared and my wife said why she says I'm afraid of dying and she said you're not gonNA die. Why would you be? She said well if I do. I won't go to heaven even in my wife look better and said we can take care of that and led her to Christ. I'd been out in the hallway returning returning phone calls and when I came back in. They're both sitting there in the hospital. Bed Tears in their eyes. And I'm going but they had these smiles on their face and I said what's what's going on and my wife Danner said you WanNa tell him and she goes dad. I just got saved and later on I had the joint privilege of being able to baptize her But she's now her. Aides is non transmittable and undetectable. She weighs one hundred and fifty pounds and she's just just an amazing young lady and to to know where I know she has been for her to be able to even function in normal society as well as she has is nothing short of a miracle. Well well well I appreciate you coming on to talk with us and sharing all of these all the things that we talked about. I feel like and somebody listening right. Now everybody listening can have a takeaway. They can't all be a Mike. They can't all be a u but I can different but we can all make a difference in. Yeah now this starfish Bahrain in my head of like that one person the one on one. But you're one on one doesn't have to be deep dive into everything and trying to be but if you feel called to do that I would encourage you to listen to that. If you feel the little whispers like listen to that but but if not the smiling the waving the acknowledging that is felt like that's my biggest biggest takeaway I learned a lot talking with you But a big big takeaway is the acknowledgement and how huge valuable that is to somebody eighty. Yes I'm because who wants to feel invisible and if anybody out there that that this has maybe maybe awaken something in them. They can always reach out to our website at and I'll be more than happy to talk to him. I'll be more than happy to give the mini guidance. That they they may the. Yeah and that's home. St Home T. N.. For Tennessee Home Street hometeam dot org and a lot of you listening. Don't live Kevin Tennessee but Reach out in your community try to figure out different organizations you can partner up with or work with. Because there's there's a stephen not exactly this stephen but there's hopefully likely a stephen in a community that You know has the wisdom to lead you in the right direction if you want to truly serve and servant in the right way And and there's so many great organizations throughout and what would you say quickly before we go now. I just had this question like I've always heard homeless people Like socks and eggs boiled eggs hard boiled eggs. Is that true it it it me personally. I'm not a big harbaugh. aww Guy but you know it. They do I tell people socks but I come with the caveat on everything I say having lived. Live it yeah okay and I appreciate that I would rather you spend three or four dollars on one good pair of socks preferably will then to spend six dollars ten pair because what you have to understand is the doing laundry does yeah. Those ten pair are not gonNA last. They might wear them socks every day. Twenty four seven for months so they have to a hold up and Foot problems are huge within the homeless community. Obviously So a good pair of socks can eliminate a lot of those problems so invest in one good pair and really change one homeless person versus investing in ten not so good pair and giving ten homeless people just just a moment Yeah I like that. Thank you for that advice because yeah I feel like a lot of times we WANNA just like. Oh I'M GONNA run run to Walmart or target and buy this big impact and pass them out but the wisdom we just gained right now is go get a smart wool. One Nice pair or doesn't have to be I'm just throwing out. A brand doesn't brand but a nice wool sock one pair and give it to one person. Okay all right Steven will thank you for coming by for having me. 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Episode 13 - Burning
"Hey kids. Welcome back to for your reference. You're listening to your phrase own mind and urgency is our whimsical her. So the phrases, wait. So this week's is from South Korea. Eating rice cakes while lying down. I think this phrase encapsulates a self that tremendous quality. So if you're laying down, and you're eating rice cakes or anything else. It's going to be a Turkey has it. Nominate it similar to of Igli Sean of a piece of cake like something is just easy over easy to do you want to try and we'll see how quickly each. Yup. And in the meantime, let's get on with the show. Joan walk into a four year reference. Hope you had fun Jack planting to our intro music. This week was my pick and we covering burning which was a twenty eighteen Korean movie. That came out had a release, and it recently has destroyed me again on flakes. It was released on DVD in March nineteen. Yeah. So let's get into the stats because we're super academic. Oh, my so may twenty eighteen is when it officially came out in the cans festival. It also made its rotations around the world the budget. I guess probably need more of a deep dive. But at the moment we can't afford purse, or I'll just go off to stats that we have here. Opening weekend was twenty six thousand in America, and the gross is a seven hundred eighteen thousand so it sounds a bit abysmal. But again, I'm pretty sure there's some sort of context we don't really understand about. It's one award. Like, it's not something. That's just noticed. Totally. And let's just quickly. Capture that off because it is worth mentioning it got quite a lot of nominations as well as some Windsor. We've got director icon director Lee Chang known. So we've got some wind imme- Donna film festival. The Adelaide filters will we've if that's your strain one. We're not Sinophile where they call. It is the kids call it. So we're not that, sir. I'm assuming it's a stray in also have some wind in the Asia Pacific screen awards. And it also had a nod in the Academy Award as well, then a win. But it was also submitted in Korea more for the create category. So that's what we're talking about this week. Let's just quickly talk about the cost. We've already mentioned that director is the iconic Liangdong he has been around for quite a while. Even though he does have four that time a relatively short list in regards to movies his directed. We have necessarily on tackle them yet. But it's definitely on our list. Just like a fine wine. You're not going to have it. Every time you're going to schedule a proper time get the candles, and it's a whole event his a proper. It's it's a good for step to be introduced to what he's done. Totally totally. So let's talk about the cost. The main sort of protagonist arguably definite definitively. He is the protagonist of this character junk Suli, his and I'm so sorry. I nor my love for ATS might make you think that I speak fluent Korean. But if I miss. I do apologize will the main character junkie lay who's played by I knew. And then you've got Steven young plays, Ben. And then the other main character for this movie is Heyman shin his played by and I'm so sorry. I'm not sure which is first and last name as all say June junkie. Yep. Yep. So in a crowd. Those are the stat that's the cost. That's a director for this movie. I think it might be good just to capture off before he was talking about the movie just how general sort of experiences with foreign film and foreign TV shows collecting that's quite important to capture off before we give you the t of how we feel about this. Actual movie is important to remember this part of the segment. So at for your reference, we do watch a whole range of things. And that's the reason why we wanted to start this podcast as well. Because we watch a whole range of things, and we have a lot of opinions, and we just wanna share and wanna he you guys think about it as well. So we also had the first foreign sort of TV show film. We talked about was money heist. And I guess that's just a little bit of flavoring about the things that we watch. But we also watch a lot of Asian Korean particularly recently TV shows and also movies as well. So I just wanted to give it a little bit of a catcher off on that. And what our experiences? Yes. So we what's feel of Korean movies and TV shows. And can I just say the Korean languages, so fun to listen to it is it is? Intonations and inflections or the speak when they want to convey anger or seriousness. It's quite interesting to hear. Yeah. I think that there's quite a lot of things that is said without actual words. Like. That's where a lot of inflection, and it just it colors the narrative when we watch Korean TV shows and also movies as well. So I just want to point out that we do have a love sudden, we do love Korean Major General because we will say some on his things about this movie. So I do think it's important that we do preface this from the onset. Definitely. So let's before we even talk about the movie, I think it is worth noting that we have Steven young. And he's been in quite a few cute little indie mainstream things. So I thought it might be good just to capture off our experiences with him. And you've seen him before. I've seen him in Walking Dead Walking Dead was sort of character was he was he the Turkey sold of Asian or no he was so much more than he grew in responsibilities and in his role as a season progressed. Introduces just to delivery. I think delivery driver. And then it just became more integral to the group, and we all loved him became off on favorite before. He. Yeah. I'm not gonna spoil walking that. So you'll stay there off the Walking Dead get on it. That's may I go my hands up. And you're ready made me once came third and say coin string me, and again, it's coming by his his his solid actor, and then we watch TBN shadows, mayhem mayhem. Yes. And he was he was very his a really good actor. I feel like Stephen Yun is one of those actors where even if you haven't seen him in anything, you know, he's good value. You just know that he's a solid guy who he seems like a solid guy. And he's he's acting will be pretty good. And that's the first time that I was acquainted with his actual acting chops in many dollars. Yeah. I thought it was really great. You tell it how to Indy type style a reminder meal, the belco experiment. It executed itself better, belco experiment. But this is more about his acting. Right. So Steven did a very great job in that. And I was impressed. Like a lot of the time. When you watch things on you know, that it's not big budget or it's not going to be Oscar-winning. You see actors phoning it in right? The not necessarily bringing their best foot forward. And I appreciate and watching Stephen he gave everything in that role in mayhem because I was saying him, right? And that was very admirable cause I'm like, wow. This is amazing. You probably did a need to bring your full force of acting. But it was well appreciate and I think I gone it a lot of respect for him just saying the way that he carried himself as an actor. And he does this him in bonding and his his quite Lacabeg, and he gives this aura of maybe I'm jumping ahead of myself here while talk. Deeply about the old my friend, but he comes off as the likable. Anti-hero lack you have we have some solid anti heroes in in an entertainment of the moment. I know from Dexter from. Watching breaking bad, you know, people like to back it. Yeah. As long as it's relatable relatable backstory. So. So with his character. It's quite different though. Because his this reach Yang, you know, he feels like he houses air to him. Why he gave me some semblances of Christian bale in American psycho. Yes, it did. Yeah. Yeah. I see that. Yeah. I don't wanna compare another actor to another because obviously they deserve their merit. And I stand a strong Stephen young, and he will go in my trophy case of all of the people. I stand bid cycle. Welcome for your reference. This is what we do. He got. Slowly incriminating ASO's every which way. Chinon next week to see what are going to be incriminated. He he really gave me that charismatic flair that I appreciated and we'll say shaded by watching Christian bale. Let's let's just quickly digress for a second Christian bale in American psycho. You nor the what he was doing was fucked up, right? You know that you shouldn't be rooting on. A he just he pulled you in. He had that gravitas and Ukraine of you know. Just like everyone has that twisted family member, you kind of just ignore that. So you can get along with the potty by and that's what I got from Steven Jahn, and I really hope and he has been around. Right. And I hope he continues to have that staying power. So we can continue to say him not only in Korean media. But also in worldwide international sort of bit as well. Like, I would really appreciate to continue to see him in mine household. I'm glad that he's actually taking up roles because all this this. Kind of debt cycle where if you're in TV, maybe not so much nowadays. Why is he I take my if hey you? Hey you. Find yourself from this vicious cycle where you stuck finding trying to look for roles. Not getting the correct rolls doing big great movies. He's he did mayhem just out of walking that his his actually trying to do his own strategies own stuff and good on him. So let's let's dive into the movie in my K drama viewing haven't come across the main characters aside from saving young here. So let's let's quickly capture off just how actual impressions our initial impressions in watching this movie. And if you had any expectations where they met. We always live in spoiler town. Sorry, if you have a move to yet population earthy, Katie and new hurtful, if you haven't watched us movie, I don't think it's going to change anything maybe watch this movie. We don't want to be the people that deflowered you in spoilers. So please turn away. We have many other episodes. Otherwise, you can welcome yourself back once he washes movie, but we're definitely going to dive into the spoiler. So let's first impressions. I didn't go into this any expectations. I think even zoned out while watching the trailer. Just because I wanted to be surprise. I wanted to know what it was. Many times. What's trailers, we get amped up? Like, oh, this looks amazing good bits, bits conceived ideas of the movie would be about, and it really doesn't translate. When you watch it. So when you're watching the trailer for this does owned out and by the time, we came to watch it a had zero expecations. Yeah. I was ready to be led. My thoughts. Well, we have we have endless Quantum's too. It's like a two hour movie right to an half. And it did not need to be that long to convey its message. I agree. They we spend an hour. Ten just trying to navigate the relationship between. Hey, main and Lee, which which some bits interesting they over do it, and you could feel if they edit this if they cut this abate mall that could create a more cohesive compact story when fifteen minutes. By any means, this was a watchable movie. And it has assorted aspect of rewatch ability. K where everyone if anyone wants to watch this movie again 'cause I will not if anyone wants was just maybe whether take through freight. I would not qualified as reward would wants to watch it again. Just so that I could see if. The aspect of it that I missed because if I think this is a tongue in proverb if you miss the Kool-Aid once try and drink it again. On the second term, Ron doesn't it my? Well, I know what I experience what the movie tried to convey. And there's a lot of things that they deigned say that they wanted to all the left for the audience to try and figure out for themselves. Which is in Bob because you know, people need to take away things by themselves, and it needs to relate to you in a different aspect. So I'm happy with that. I'm happy with that. I don't have any qualms by the problem is when the overdo it. Heavy-handedness the point where it's actually affects the movie it's no longer about living it to the audience. It's more. Hey made this looks like a job. Like, let's Tigris for a second. So Coachella two thousand nineteen recently happened and straight off the back of that Donald Glover slash childish Gambino actually released squat island on Amazon. He had with riana. Right. That was like fifty minutes. Right. So I feel like in this day and age there's no excuse to have a two and a half hour movie and have a sitting with hand up fucking off trying to figure out what what just happened while using the wads of the great party atis. I appreciate your point. Will you only triggered as cock? The thing is you know of Donald Glover did Aland and it was so captivated because we barely by the end of the movie. This is. Done. So entrenched into the world of of what he was trying to prochet. And he achieved so much in fifty minutes than fell this movie has done in two hours. I think that's a perfect pickup or. Because when you have I think the best expectation that you can have for viewers. If you're creating something is you want to end leaving the viewer wanting more. Right. You don't necessarily want to spoonfeed people. And you don't necessarily wanna make things survey that I lose interest, which arguably might have happened in this movie. What you want to do is create an immerse the viewer in a world where the sewing capsulated that they want to know more and they spend years on theorising. What might be a what was? Yeah. Which is no point in theorizing anything in this movie. Because we know what the director wanted us to, you know, it's quite obvious. Let's anything not really like, I'm jumping. And we have the scene where Lee figures out that. Okay. Stimulating that gritter guy because he always he always always how to suspicion lack why this team. Yeah. Moso him from his perspective. He was like why does Yang reach guy hang out with. Hey mean, Hanson what's going on, you know? And he said this looping around in the in the in his bathroom to foster round. Hey, can I just can. I just ask a question. Also to you guys listening. I feel like in a lot of things that we watch people go through other people's bathrooms, and I think in American sort of movies and stuff they call. It medicine cabinets, and they just have a sticky bake, which I think might be in a stranger, but essentially being nosy, right? Does really happen to be really do that. I don't know. I don't think although for my for my like. Feels the way too. Much fills a vigil too much. Sorry continue. I just I just wonder is that actual is. Our thing is up was that what people do. So Lee thinks that something is from the get-go another really say, but really follow it up. Like aegis says, you know, he tells Maine. Hey, why do you think is interested in you like, you know, and all of things those affair point key comes off his jealous as it comes off as jealous. But it's a question that needs to be asked. Sometimes, you know, just so that you can think of all the possibilities because love is involved. Celente can find it anywhere and Kenya. You can we ever t- babies everywhere. Find you know, it's not about of. It's good to ask yourself this questions. And if you if the answers are correct than good on you found yourself a lower. If not then you need to reevaluate. And that's what hey Mindy understand and possibly one of the reasons why she ended up dead damn dog, which is this going to reduce it to that. Really she'd think of all the possibilities that raised a red flag think the biggest problem for. Hey me was she just fell asleep whenever she fell asleep. That is as a woman that is red flags all over like. That was such a big concern for me. I'm like really girl, and you went out to Africa, and you just like fell asleep. Wherever you feel other thing, it was even knock Lipsey, I think she just fell asleep where she felt like she wanted to fall of safe. Not so dangerous as a woman. So I just. That's that's a little day to whether you're a woman or a man on binary look after yourselves plays. But yeah, definitely can I go into my fist impression. But we know that she's struggling with the greater meaning of life or what she calls. Great Hunga, lectures, trying to actively pursue what how life means what's hoppers in this world, but she was kind of a contradiction because she talked about it was little hunger. Right little hunger long, great hunger. But then she was also a space head so. Space. You wonder how many cues can she rub together? Right. But then she would there would be intrinsic day Merman that she would have as well. So it got a bit confusing. It wasn't very cohesive her as an actual character. I guess it's like people can be book, smart and street, smart sort of thing. But I don't think she was either as well. I think she went with the flow and she did the best. She could to, you know, leave in the moment. And there's nothing wrong with that. Because she had surgery done because she she said she said, she was part. Seems I shed says we hopefully through the review she was quite. Understanding where from like minus eight two could be Cup. In the blink of sunset year. Yes. I noticed that. But she fall. Okay. While you why are you trying to remember way, you are because I don't think I'll have the time to naturally bring this up except for now, I feel like we've progressed as a people, and we're so upsetting and we're able to tell more stories from different perspectives as well. And I know this sounds really deep, but it really isn't. If we can say titties, then you should also show Dick's, that's all. Say I'm going to. Twenty nine team. I'll leave it at there. But I'm just saying like, it's not like. I guess you need to be formed when you're about to see a dick. But it's just you see so many breast assesses, it just doesn't make sense. There should be an equal ratio. Zola's them saying continue. Do you? Remember where you are now. No, just give us your. Give us your overview of what you thought about the movie. So let's talk about it. I had a lot of thoughts while I was watching the movie and that spawned off on the vagueness in the movie as well. It's a very rare for me as a viewer to actually read critic reviews, and I'm not pooh-poohing critic profession, I do believe that it's important. But when we watch things don't necessarily, it's it's not a make-or-break, if we watch something, and it feels intriguing or we like the actors or we've heard about the director, we will give it a girl in spite of its bad ratings or in spite of its. Lack of gravitas that has rise. I just do on a preface that from the outset. So a lot of the time. I don't really I don't really regard myself with reviews, particularly critics reviews after this movie was done OT. Let's record them like Naaman. Read more context, we actually call it book clubbing. So this is just a little insight for the foyer reference household. We do what we call book clubbing. And it was more fun when I'm have forms because we used to go after we. So what something we would go into bay and go into the forms and just say what people's opinions are in general. So even though I'm debate doesn't have its forms anymore. We still do our book clubbing in ways of reviews and YouTube videos, and how people feeling and I usually don't do that. Like after I watch a movie is how I feel about the movie, and obviously you're going to hear how I feel about it. But I wanted to make sure that it was comprehensive, and it was within context. So I I did some writing I listen to some each reviews, and I still don't understand what the big hope with a capital w hey ch- is about this Mary even listening to reviews about this movie. You know, they will talk. About how the cinematography was amazing. The directing was amazing which I agree one hundred percent. But then they kind of just, you know. In a in a swipe just talk about how it's vague narrative allowed you the room to breathe not men. I'm not about that life. I can read through that nuance. That means a story wasn't there. Try and package me up something that I know isn't there right because that's just the way of ribbon the masters the waste of tape. So first initial thoughts of this movie. I think I do have a bias for Korean TV and movie. I don't think. And also because his name is burning. Tony. Right. I wanted to like this movie like I really wanted to like this and with Stephen young hours and with legal, even though we haven't really ventured into his world. His name has come up. I wanted to like this movie and had a lot of expectation for this movie. Just didn't live it just didn't live and hit. A what the crux of it is a very simple story and twenty minutes in I said to you. I appreciate that. This is a straightforward story. Because in this day and age, you're watching things that are sir complicated that a sir intricate that by the time, the movie all the TV shirt is urva. You haven't really learnt anything you haven't really gold passive level. You know what I mean? And what I mean by that is we talk about I was constantly trying to like the hardy, boys. I was constantly trying to look for my clue, and I couldn't find the clue right? Did you have the clue because? You're clear retracted. Deeper meetings in a lot of things. During our I kept looking for it. Right. When hey as character was doing her little pantomime. I'm like, oh urbanize been your ears pay. Attention is going to be integral to the narrative of this movie. This is foreshadowing one or one this is very important. You're reading into it too much because there was nothing that. Listen to me writing my movie, she talks about aiding the tangerine, and she's like darn focus on the fact that the tangerine isn't there? And I guess what the director and the screenwriters was saying therm focus on the fact that a narrative, isn't there at all. Just enjoy the Cinematograph ages enjoy the acting. It wasn't right. And it's not fair. You cannot spend two and a half hours and X amount of dollars an X amount of hours x amount of work is that culture Buta to this movie and have me feeling empty, and maybe maybe that's things I need to work on with myself, maybe to do with the movie on it just felt wrong to me. So again, like through watching the movie, I constantly try to pace things together. And if you haven't listened to episode of us, I felt similar disappointment in this movie. Because what I mean by that is the movie burning Twenty-eight pain that is now available on Netflix wasn't Kerr Hase's enough. You brought me into a world that in Merced respects was grounded in reality. Any case in your world for two and a half hours? Right. You brought me into this world. And there was served many foundational fundamental questions that were not being answered that. I couldn't focus on the beauty that people keep talking about in the movie because I was busy trying to fill in the gaps myself. I feel like it would be better. Oh, maybe it was lost in translation because I feel like this movie shouldn't be called burning. It should be called simmering at best. Well, we might go into war glaring issues with the movie, I've try and answer to the best of my ability because I thought inasmuch as a dent think it was a great movie. It did have the foundation of a good storytelling beginning middle. And we will introduce to the characters quite nicely. He no, hey means characters introduced while shoes. Dancing around, you know, just at trying to get people into some ruffle winning thing. Just the job to pay the bills, essentially. Yeah. And she recognizes junks junk soon and their relationship only even say, it has a relationship there free, fair entanglement the entitlement. The best. They were more than a quaint. They were entangled and tangled. Well, not as it can be acquainted someone just we've just stop to, you know. It's just oh my. TV progressive is. Jones whose character. Yes. He seemed. Yeah. He seemed harmless dry. Yeah. I really liked him. I wanted to keep him in my pocket and make sure he was a K. Lucky? He just went with the flow. So when Heyman decided to go to Africa heels like, yeah. Cold, whatever she comes back and as a on him. That's a friend's reference range our noser, I will not allow you in the gates. If you force friends you always getting for the moment when Ross was coming back. And then when he came back he had a Gulf friend and that killed Rachel and relax those the same feeling in watching this really Saad for Johnson. Scientists say something. Anyway of he gets really sad. He'd no he doesn't get sad. He's just you feel like he doesn't really care. Right. I think he just almost four more. He just seems like sorta guy that would apologize for his existence and one of the funny comments he made watching the movie is possibly the Jones who was looking for a reason to hate Ben confined any because Ben was so likable. Right. Trying to find some sort of any one he didn't have one. And 'cause Johnson was such a great guy. He couldn't really say much. I, you know, a lot of things like muddied the wooded like, I guess I understand I understand that characters have lives and like humans were fallible. And we're multifaceted. I understand that. If we're watching a movie, and it has nothing to do with the core narrative than dirt introduce it, especially when you have a vague sort of storytelling because then it just confuses muddies the waters case in point his relationship. Rivers father. I understand that it was important because the dad's demise was essentially grounded in his pride. Soubriquet that was essentially encapsulated in that what twenty second sound bite, but they kept calling back to it. And I'm like, okay. Or at this is ramping up. This main something I've got another pace to puzzle. Right. When really cause a lot of the time when things to get slow. I'm like, okay, Caen leave Ben and in learn and go back to his dad and try and figure out what's going on is that. But it it kind of just place all the pieces they end just left you to decide if he wanted to put it together or not I don't think I grew without assessments, not a builder movie. Well, with this this father, it was quite clear on how the relationship pause when Jones who was trying to get people to sign a petition for how good his father was and how friendly he was. He wasn't really that either. Like he wasn't. He wasn't friendly. He wasn't a. He wasn't making friends with his neighbors. That's him. He was quite angry and Johnson's has himself. My dad was a very angry passan he'll go from zero to run. I think he said he had anger disorder. He go four hundred in a second. And. Kinda showed you painted a picture of why they want the way the wall. But I think a core raise on why the mom left was because of that. And I guess this is something that we don't have enough time to get into. But it must have been a really bad situation. I'm I'm being sympathetic. It must have been a very bad situation for the mother to leave and not take your children with her because we're introduced to the model on the more interesting movie actually introduced to the mall model later on. And she looks quite she's doing well for self. Yes. She'll she'll she's she's dressed in this show. Looks quite elegant, and she knows how to text how many parents these days there have a whole rude was that she phone chosen CENA son in sixteen years, and all she could was hysteria phone. Well, she needed a favor. Right. That's why she called it. Suddenly while she needed to find a way to. To raise money. So that could pay off. Either way the relationship between Johnson at his father. I think played a pivotal role in that. I think once the father was sentenced to eighteen months in prison. He saw it as an opportunity to do something for Amen. I think he saw that as a turning point. That has stunning point that after that he sold off the cough while he did reference that all in the movie, but he sold off the cow and from that he knew what exactly wanted to do to ban. But excuse me, sir. That happened. I would say an hour and a half. If I'm being generous, two hours like that happened after a whole lot of nothing. Now, the a or nothing happened. What say you, sir? Yeah. They did spend a lot of time just doing a fluff. Which didn't really put which really wasn't part of the cost Oriole on. We did get some valuable information like on to see the relationship between. Hey, min and half are merely because we know that. Well, other start our thought, hey, Manian have a family altogether. Because she said she was all alone in the world. And that's the same thing with Ben because Ben's motive for I think Ben's criteria for killing who is killing is people who want to be missed actually let let's talk about this. So we run out of time. Hey, he spurred a lot in like a symbolic soda nature, especially when he was talking about his killings, right? It's quite clear. I think the reward that we get is we actually get definitive evidence definitive is relative. But if you've watched this movie, visit the most definitive thing that you can take away right that he was a Killa and what we saw early. In the movie with juncture looking through his medicine cabinet or his bother was we later found out that these trophies right? And finally, my constant picking apart, and analyzing of this movie paid off when he started to talk about the greenhouses I knew he was talking about people. Yeah. There was one theory where I thought maybe he was most Korean. But that's. But in any case when he talked about the greenhouses the adjectives that came up. And again, it was titles. When not really sure if it was direct translation on he said that they were useless and hidden use the word baron. There was another word that he used, but he was essentially it was him justifying his kills for the greenhouses. And that's what really I'm so. Sorry. I carbo what the word was. But the way that he described the greenhouses didn't sound like anonymous objects it sounded like people. People that don't bring any value there scourge to society, and I think the biggest point was no one was going to miss them. Right. So I guess that's what a sense on the spectrum of killings. Maybe Ben wanted to justify that. He's not the worst. Right. He acknowledges that he does not kill any. Does it every two months? It's not as bad as just killing someone that has a family and a mortgage and people depending on him or her, right? So that's an interesting point as well. Because when we come to the pointy end of the film in the last fifty minutes Jong Soo does confront him. And he does acknowledge that he hasn't spoken to. Hey me for a month. Right. And that's a really Noor how far since that point in time where he he follows him to the cafe to win. Ben actually, find him sitting this taking him out. Right. And he's invited in with dinner party. Again way of deja vu with him in. Oh, yes. So yeah, we'll get to that. But we don't know how far that stretching time was so I'm going to see him that it was quite quick. And if we think about his time line where he said that he can burn a grain house every two months because no one's going to notice. And no one's going to care. I'm taking the assumption that he actually the next time in between his kills a month. So it seems like as as an American psycho or is a Korean psycho. If you pardon the pun, he was excavated at his appetite for this was getting bigger, and I really feel like, you know, in in criminal minds. I'm not sure if this is official Quantico sort of language, but in criminal minds, they talk about on sobs having trigger know. You know, living their best life doing the killing spree doing it in a regulator way. So they can continue to live in society. But this something that. That that causes the exasperation in their killings. And the acceleration of the frequency of the killings, and I really feel like Jones's character is what was Benn's trigger. Because it's quite fascinated with him. Yes. His quite wasn't is. Which is I think he's never experienced before. I'm not sure if he saw it as a potential co conspirator or if he saw it as another victim. It was it was quite an interesting dynamic. Let's dive into that. It really was. Because here he comes and one of the fos- things he says to Johnson is that. I want you to read something. Yes. Yes. And I was like, okay. That's interesting about my story. Yeah. He's quite early. And then when when Haymond goes missing, and we have John sue sitting in Haines all department topping away as I all there. It is. Ride of the. Which we're not really told what he wrote. I think that's a missed opportunity. You know, that's the SMI. He right anything. We're not exposed to whatever it is. He right. Another experience in this movie to the fact that he wrote a petition letter, which people say it read grade, you know, other than that, we're not exposed to skills, but we do know his love for Falkiner makes. Makes Ben wants to read up on him. Because when Jones who goes back to does he genuinely I feel like that was just another device for hill to fuck with Johnson. How do Jones would be there are common? Now, some big ass pickup truck following. He knew he knew he was being touted. And I think the chase time when he bent when Jones who went to him the coffee. The coffee if someone can successfully execute these killings and live is best life and no one coming arrest him. I'm pretty sure he knows how to be tailed or who's telling you think he wanted to understand Joensuu more. He was fascinated. And that's why I was reading what Jones who was fascinated with because he said FOX was pretty much telling a story of his life. So let's I definitely don't want to run at a time. And I do want to talk about this. Let's talk about Ben's character case are he's got that Korean psycho complex, right? I into minds about how I feel about how each uses his victims. And I'd like to get your thoughts on it. So these are the two different thoughts of full view. Oh, my I think that's a original phrase all mine. Point it. We're going to tip Gillette. The two perspectives all the potential sort of drivers that I have been character is he is looking for desolate souls that really just have have no value to themselves or to society, and he he needs to say she ate his blood thirst. So he just chooses as people of low impact. Right. So that one that's one point of the ele- point of view that I'm tossing around is he mates a Hohmann that is so engaging that has this this elevated world experience right at same's on the surface as she has so much to offer much like Ben's character. But once you start to peel off the layers, you realized that they holler and any sort of growth. That they have is superficial. And I think I tend to lean towards the Ladda people wearing a mosque and deep down there really isn't anything there. But I would love to hear your vote on I guess the false and his methodology to find victims. I think he's profile who finding victims is quite standard amongst zero killer. You talk people that won't be missed. So he doesn't raise any red flags with the police Sarah is a quite varied. So they all have to many of them targeted people that wouldn't be missed. Okay. Right. I agree with you. There's so many different types of serial killer serial killers, but. You target people. That would not be missed. Maybe the ones that get away with. Well, it's quite easy. Right. And when he was explaining about binding greenhouses they said the police wouldn't have time for that. Because I sang on more pet nint-. Yeah issues. So if. I remember those syrup killer. Thank. Who targeted prostitutes? And then that led to know it because you know, who report that known someone's going basing. Just took you Chucky often the rug, and that's fine. What what made this different is his encounter with Jong Soo. Who? Feels like the way he left things we hey me in the last thing he said to hey, man is. Don't take your clothes off around men. Not makes only people who do that are whores a hose that was wrong. And that was so wrong. 'cause like you said while we were watching the movie he wasn't complaining about her horsh nece when they fought. Right. That's a wrong, and you should never like talk about anyone else's sexuality, especially if you've been betwixt their bed chambers. It's just wrong and foul and disgusting and any sort of failing that I have that. He was such a good guy. And he was waiting for his day in the sun. It all dissipated from there. 'cause what kind of disgusting. I get that. He was jealous, and he wanted her breast os's just to be for his viewing tussle how this world works. And it's interesting because you talk about how hey me was enamored by Ben. I really didn't say it that way. I kind of just will. Hey me as someone that. Just had casual encounters with Ben and also Joensuu I really didn't say as Herbie head over heels kitchen love Shaw's in in love. She was tied down to Ben Ben had Mani, Ben HUD status. She was they're looking for the greater meaning of life who better to be without moment of you finding yourself that someone who has money to make life easier. But if you reference every we didn't have enough time. So I'm not sure if their ideology is actually spawned often original philosophy. But when she talks about the great Hunga that kind of goes against that. Because it's not so much about materialism. It's about your intrinsic philosophies as a person your great hunger to desire to know, more about not definitely know more about the world, but it's more focusing on. How that reflects as you as a person there? And. I do want to touch on this just to make sure wait Iran at a time. Haney did go to Kenya. Or and there was a phone call saying, I hang on hang on hang on. I feel I feel you burning. So let's talk about it. So she she manages to go through a coal with Johnson and she's in drama Kenya. International airport, which we have a lot of experience with and she makes a comment about how there was a bombing junctures like, oh my God, a U A K. Will you be okay? Because she was stuck there for three days as she makes them common saying, no, it's okay. I think this happens all the time. I of all is was not happen. All the time. No incidents hopping around the world and don't condemn them from being, you know, oh, I'm not going to go to America. Because those shooting happens all the time. It doesn't happen. All the time. Kenya Nairobi is safe safe place and it's enjoyable it's beautiful and there's so much to do. And I hate this portrayal of African nations in cinema where the only time we brought up is when there's a negative connotation to it all someone has been kidnapped though in Kenya there in Somali. You know, we go so much farther beyond the headline news the so much to Africa as a continent done the headlines. The headline is what will make you pay attention. And that's what the media does. This is going off on a tangent. And it's not right. But struck me the wrong way, they so much Africa. There's so much Kenya. There's so much shoe whatever nation than the headlines. I do agree. I do agree with what you're saying. But I feel like heard dancing of the great Hongo was more -fensive. About the. But I think that's like going back to Steven Jahn. Obviously for his Ben character. I can't even put myself in the mind of a psycho. 'cause I am quite saying. As as we as evidence. On their court. Okay. I'm going to get on a personal tangent. If we're running out of time or t give me that Oscars soda symbol. But it's just really bothers me when people go on. Are these of these soul finding trips around the world, and they come back, and they weren't shut the fuck up about it. Right. So. Time to time. We will give you some tasty morsels of our life. I think office space was the biggest tangent. We have. But. At some point in my life. I decided to go to Africa I ache Kenya. Right. But I'm not that person that's going to sit and talk your ear off about how I'm a better person. And how I helped can you be a better country just by my presence. And that's what really bothered me. So in Steven Jahn was picking. Hey me and also the account character, the lady going to China as she was talking about, you know, how China was just throwing money and just talking about how cultures she was. And how things are so different. Like that's just bothers me. Like go around travel the world, tell me stories, but don't be surp- attention about it. That really bothers me. Mexica mexico. But formally reference. Before you reference, by the way. Grew line. I think it's fine. Just don't be that person that person pitcher with kids and be like, oh, I'm new person. And I helped build. Zubi to the people that in Bagua like looking at you like what the fuck are you doing here, and we don't have enough time. And this is probably not the right format to talk about it. But slum tourism is something that really history age, enter dia Slough agreeing his may the fuck off if you actually want to help people living in slums or in rural villages give the money or give the give local NGOs money. Daren't gory to gratify yourself and think you're not I'm not even going to get into it. But slave tourism went off all that lighters slum tourism one-off all that will tourism. If that exists just be a decent person. You know? Learn about coaches in an appropriate Mana right help people because he wanna help people and not because you expect anything in return. I agree with that people should be so going back to the movie we ship people. You said are the start of this that you had some pain points with the movie Jonah go through that? Now. Yeah. I think we've pretty much touched upon it. So there was a relationship with his father, which I feel like was important. It's not necessarily integral because. Even the father's demise was pride and Jones's. Character was lacklustre. He lived life in gray. Really? So I think that was integral it was important to know. But even then we didn't need the multiple saints regarding the father. I think I'm him fair. Welling the cough on the truck was more poignant than the multiple saints that we had about the Fava, right? I guess it would have been nice to flesh out the story more because for the first one and a half two hours. Nothing really happens. Like, I said, it's Simos rarely. And then in the last forty minutes. It's all rush right out of like out of no way. We finally realized that we need to tie in loose ends. And the mum comes out of no way. And then she disappears. So she just serves a device, and then she disappears, right? That the fern ringing constantly through the film. I felt like that was integral to the plot. Only came to find dollars the mother. But even when the voice went over take me to supernatural. It rings that night. Cermony things like it was, sir. Haphazardly put together then on just like it actually didn't need to be that way because for a whole hour and a half two hours. We'll do nothing right sitting there waiting with our combatants and nothing was common. So I had our pacing was really bad. The shots were beautiful. I really appreciate it. The expansiveness of the wide shots, and the I think the best way to describe the directing and the cinematography of this film is it was real. And I I know that doesn't give as much. It doesn't give as much encapsulation as I would like it to. But you know, a lot of a lot of movies that you watch a Serb built up in sensationalism, and they're so built up in gratuitousness, right? It was nice to say a grounded as much as a cord and a real take on directing and cinematography. Right. They had the expansiveness, but it served the purpose of the story, and it made sense, and I really appreciated that I just I'm just not. I'm not for build movies, right? Don't just tell me they and I need to pick it up myself without establishing what the rules of engagement off. Right. And you've got so many different things that you're introducing to this. You've got his daddy issues. You guys, mommy issues, and where the fuck was a sister. But I don't show her. She has a time. They had enough time. Don't have any sort of relationship with each other. But that's my point. So you talk about his family's sort of dynamics that he has right? And we also talk about Ben's character and his obviously sexual but his killer escapades that he has as well. We talk about. Hey me and how she's not really living fulfilled life as you can say, she's kind of living journ life. And then she goes off and has his eight pray love sort of adventure. And then she comes back right with a man. Yeah. Yeah. Can you imagine having an entanglement with someone picking them off at the airport as she just rolls? Up casualty with another guy our perfumers, I don't even know I would walk out out walkout. I would round house kick both of them leave power just woke out of like do this about just like light a match thorough behind you and walk off with special effects. Like, there's nothing for you. This. Like, the servicer much elements that you talk about he and the there was a review that we came cost we will link it if we can find it whether we're talking about how this is also a movie about Korean youth, and the vices that they have in order to make it through unemployment. Oh, just the day today day struggles that you might have right? If that really was about this than I would like to know the time Marx while that goes. I I really I really didn't say that. I felt like this story. Like, I said what guava island those only fifty minutes. This was to and a half hours. And I'm still he feeling learning empty inside. Wanting to what happens the lost. I don't know if this is the law saying, but closing the movie we have Joses character. And also Ben and having this little sort of chase and eventually. Joensuu comes across Ben and dick move. Right. Not dick dick full move. Bene-? Purchase. Don't sue and said oh you coming with. Hey me. Where is she jokes? Who gets the stubby stabs going out of first of all Olah, or hollow would be nice. But that say it was quite I would say, it's comfortable. I think the best way to phrase it would be cumbersome and sloppy. It was very. Was very real lock. That's how picture killing would be not something flashy like kill Bill like it would become a summit will be chaotic. You would be. I think the water we used to describe your time was clumsy Kanzi. Yes. Like a would be that. Because he's not a CARA. So he he's stabs Ben several multiple times. Yeah. And. Put him back in the car. Tries to oh. On those a truck coming those those truck pausing by. Yeah. I'm just wondering what the puzzle realized the of blood was on the snow like if you see red on the blood is no, it's quite obvious. What's going on right, anyway, he Monday just to cover it up and punches the call and then gets back to his von naked drives off. I did I did say that he should take his boxes of causal definitely DNA on there. So it was good that it took them off. And then he bent the car. I don't know. I feel like even though it was his first kill and it was comes -i. There are examples where you can have a kill or that looks realistic. Also stylistically made it aesthetically pleasing to the eye. John wick is a good example of that is no Joan week which. Like, which we will cover before John wick three comes out. Right. But in John weeks Listrik -ly, you do have moments where stabbings happen, and then like Kiana Reeves John wicks, carrot obviously like tries to push the people off and that takes a few frames to happen. Right. So there are ways that you can convey that without it just being a her video. This week stabbing. Yeah. I just I just felt like it was very clumsy. But again, that's not to make a break for me. Watching the movie, I was like, you know, like if this becomes one of those movies where nothing makes sense until the end. That's not enough for me. Right. You need to please me throughout the movie in econ. Just give me a good jab. If you pardon the pun at the end, and then I'm more happy days reaching like Nana, right? Doesn't work that way. But I don't know it was a bit like Lasta now that I think about it there on any there aren't as many semblances of burning and there is a wanking. This fella. Sink direct symbolism for burning and think about him actually wanking off then he should just rename the movie. Several sins of him walking realistic. You know way when the edge comes. It's just had sex with him in. And he goes to look up the card. In our apartment. He jacks every day or every time he goes there. And you know, it's normal. He checks off the big off he maze picture her her an inside the problem with that those should go this movie wanking not burning. It just also shows that he was so his he must have been so excited for Heyman. Hey me to come back that alike are tonight's gonna win. Great that to see. Z? And see Ben would have killed him. So let's capture off 'cause we joked about it. But let's actually talk about let's do a rough count of symbolism or direct correlations to burning. 'cause I was the eighth OSs and the foundation of this movie. The burning life of you've. Yeah. Does the obvious one the bonding of the greenhouses well when he was a kid. Yep. Canterbury in his mother's clauses. Well, yeah. Does the final scene. Whether actual bonding of Ben and the car, do you think we can also attribute like a burning desire to kill like, Ben? Yeah, he has he has to do it. Every two months. Yeah. That's great. Do you think he did as a job because those reference that he was like the Gatsby where he's living such a luxurious life. And no one knows where he gets his money from. Yeah. Shaw. Understood that maybe he was just born into any because we are not told anything that hostile will also sorry, my friend. When he had the dinner party again. And they brought the other girl around the one that just came from China. Do you think the friends even knew who had an inkling about Ben's acre life? I think just he was a playboy like every two months. Go. Tell the hill. Burrito Inge told them hide Szott stories while the in this new guy was in China data one was went to Africa. So you know, I think this is thing is a playboy is rates. You can do that was exploiting really think all hit wait a minute the skies serial killer. Now, we wouldn't how about when they're looking for oil the cat. I was we were screaming for him to say. But it was extent thought he wouldn't even say it. But it was so annoying because they spent so much time on it. But we're ready new. You've given us two hours to think that literally. We just we beat out time. In the last forty minutes. Nothing new came to the following. Yeah. It was just like we thought of this. If how our time to Cima, and we thought of every possible permutation dot com. Any final for what's follow thought is that this movie positive? Maybe this movie is tells a good story tells a story. Great wall tells a story about three young people how the living their lousy how they're struggling with life and every from different class aspect Ben in his upper echelon of. Of richness in his high class society and with hey may and John sue struggling or the pretty much on the other end of the spectrum. So you could see you could feel could relate to some of the characters aqua definitely relate to Johnson in some aspects of of his live in regards to stranglings. There's no. Him struggling with his art like his Tronto, Ron oval still not sure what that mobile would be his finished Buny or whatever his his just a blonde convos are the moment. And whatever that is. It's quite relatable to a lot of us who still trying to figure out what allow great Hungary's fair enough. Yeah. So those are quite good aspect of the way quite relatable, the storytelling. The acting is great. We have been who's a level character. Will he comes off lovable? Johnson is ultra lovable luck and just wanna cuddle him. Hey, man is all right like for. She is in the plot. Yeah. How a good storing telling mode lack it's a great movie. It's watchable not very much as started saying that I'll probably watch it. And I'm starting to feel probably a wooden. You know, is that kept an hindsight over there. So tell me it's only what did you like about this cinematography directing acting all of the secondary sorta elements that make a movie a thought were on par an exemplary. There were great the call narrative. Just wasn't that. It just disintegrated before my eyes. I guess I'll just like to leave it open to critics or amateur. Critics of the like if you've watched this movie will hopefully have because we've pretty much spoiled everything about it. If you still listening. But if you've watched maybe a new have a completely different point of view, albeit this is a movie of our time and Ovau decade, and it will. If aliens were to come on this earth, and you really show them one movie. This would be it for humanity. If you feel so strongly about this movie plays out to us because I would love to have a discourse about this. Because obviously all of the research will doing was one sided and people weren't responding to us just radiant consuming it. But I'd really like to get another point of view of people that you absolutely love this in every way and actually articulate what mechanically in the story. Conveyed ex wise it of why you love it. So let's let's leave it there. A lot of feels happy feels lackluster feels. They are. Watchable movie as you said, let's carry onto for your reference, which is a name of output pass where we recommend movies TV shows that if you like this or if you didn't like this you should also try as well. So what's your for your afri- for this week? Oh, look at you, a gentleman usually use start. Okay. So I'll slot and you can finish. Intended. I will recommend to this week. I talked a lot about American psycho with Christian bale. So I would recommend that it does double in Cretan witty in regards to the violence, and there's a lotta salaciousness in that as well. But again, it's from the point of view of the psycho. So obviously, you're going to get that. I do feel like that is a great film should just watch. Just because it did give me some semblances while I was watching burning the second that I would recommend is a Korean film, a horror film, and it does come up a lot on popular must watch movies as will call. I saw the devil. That's a really good reference. Thank you am. I referenced this. We could be narrow behalf last nice keeping keeping into the theme of colossus and the disparity between the high end of the spectrum of the law end. It just simple. It just shows. Clearly, how the law and struggles with life in general, and it does it so beautifully in in such a short amount of time that it goes. Want some accolades and phase a lot about how the director used the movie. Oh, how he directed into portraying life most African countries and in this case, it's Kenya. So it'll be a really good film for anyone who's into a foreign films of all just wants to expand the repertoire of your ship. Really? No, it's of our half year. So. Fly subtitles. Anyway, so go with that. Nice. 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"The. Travel Warning Hurricane A planetary discovery headline. Today's of Vietnam ten. It's great to see you this Wednesday. I'm coral Zeus getting outside this week away from my booked up bookshelf we'll start across the Pacific the US State Department is telling Americans to reconsider any upcoming trips to China into Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of China. There are two main reasons for this according to the United States. The ongoing threat of Covid nineteen and what the US government calls. China's arbitrary enforcement of local laws will explain that tensions are high between the United States and China factors include an ongoing trade dispute controversial Chinese islands in the South China Sea and disagreement over recent events in Hong Kong. says. China has been detaining US citizens in the communist country, sometimes preventing them from leaving it without due process of law. American officials say this is being done for political reasons and that there's no way to find out how long the detention will last according to the new. York Times China has criticized the travel warning saying it's one of the safest places on the planet and that the Chinese mainland hasn't seen any transmissions of corona virus for a month. Thousands of arrests have been made in Hong Kong, over the past year and China has imposed a national security law in the city. This is limited political dissent Hong Kong a place that wants more independence from China. The China says it has ultimate control over twelve people were recently arrested for apparently trying to flee Hong. Kong on a motorboat headed for the island of Taiwan Chinese authorities detain them for illegal border crossing like Hong Kong Taiwan is a place that disputes its status with China. This island twenty three million people is a vibrant democracy that sits just across the sea from the world's largest one party state I met rivers in Taiwan officially known as the Republic of China. And I'm Steven Young in Beijing the capital of what's officially known as the People's Republic of China. This name has existed since one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, nine when the communists when a brutal civil war and force the previous government to flee to Taiwan. Both sides set up their own governments each claiming to be the only legitimate ruler of the entire Chinese territory and decades of hostility ensued. Don't travel trade or communications between both sides and the threat of military action was a constant presence. But tensions began to ease in the hundred ninety s when Beijing Taipei authorities began a series of meetings and correspondence that deliberately put aside the issue of sovereignty in favor of resolving practical matters. These dialogues pave the way for economic and cultural cooperation businesses from Taiwan have invested billions of dollars here on the mainland the world's most populous country and second largest economy and millions of mainland tourists flocked to Taiwan after direct flights resumed. But still China insists Taiwan as a breakaway province that must be reunited with the mainland by force if necessary since Taiwan became a democracy in the late nineties, cross-strait relations have fluctuated depending on which of the two main political parties is in power on the island bilateral ties warm up when the pullman tongue, the party that favors closer ties with China, Taiwan and relations deteriorate when Taiwan's leader is from the democratic. Progressive Party traditionally supports Taiwan independence. Tensions have been climbing since two thousand, sixteen when the pro. Independence Party's nominee tightening one was elected president. Chinese, President Xi Jinping has hardened his rhetoric and policies towards Taiwan. With analysts seeing increased Chinese military drills near Taiwan many people here are wary of the growing strength and ambitions of their massive neighbor just across the sea fearful that their unique way of life cultivated over the last seven decades maybe under rising threat. Hurricane Sally did not make landfall on Tuesday morning as forecasters initially thought it would and the reason could make the storm's effects worse in some ways as it approached the US Gulf Coast Sally slowed down a lot as Tuesday afternoon. It was still in the Gulf moving toward land at two miles per hour. That's slower than most people walk. The good news is that it didn't get stronger before it's expected landfall on Wednesday. Sally was still a Category One hurricane when we produced this show with sustained wind speeds of eighty miles per hour the bad news is that. It's incredibly slow pace could mean dumps more rain on the places it hits and it appeared Tuesday like it was headed for the state line between Mississippi and Alabama. The forecasters still weren't sure where the hurricanes exact landfall would be the governor's Alabama Louisiana and Mississippi had requested emergency government help is sally approached between ten and thirty inches of rain her possible between Mississippi and the Florida panhandle, and the area was on the lookout for tornadoes is well, this is in addition to the dangerous winds and potential storm surge the seawater blown inland by the approaching Hurricane Sally? Homestead Florida in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, two, Andrew is a name you'll never forget. In two, thousand and five. If you lived in New Orleans Area Katrina, the military started naming storms after their wives, their girlfriends but none of these names were made public. So nineteen fifty everything changed several storms formed out in the Atlantic about the same time. It created a lot of confusion. So the US weather bureau said Okay let's start naming storms and they actually started by using the World War Two alphabet. Able Baker. Charlie dog easy. But this created confusion as well because every year the storm names worth the same. Wasn't until nineteen, seventy, nine that we started alternating male and female names. We recycle that list every six years in the Atlantic Basin we use English Spanish and French names. No storms are named after particular person. In fact, you can't request the storm to be named after you that entire process is handled by the World Meteorological Organization. A storm name will be retired if it is too costly or deadly, and it would be inappropriate to use it in future years. In fact, since nineteen fifty, there have been nearly eighty storm names retired and what happens if we go through all of the storm names? Well, it happened in two thousand and five we ended up going to be Greek out by. Name took a long time to get here but just like each individual name storm tends to have its own personality. Ten. Second Trivia, what is the only terrestrial planet on this list Neptune Saturn Jupiter or Venus? After earth Venus is the second largest terrestrial planet meaning it has a solid rocky surface and atmosphere. It sometimes gets relatively close to Earth. It's almost the same size as earth it's referred to his Earth's twin. Why are we stick a rover on? Venus because its surface is hot enough to melt lead there's a lot that's unknown about Venus. It's a planetary mystery but in an MIT study published in the journal nature, astronomy researchers say they detected a gas on Venus that we also have on earth the gas is phosphene it's flammable toxic and it stinks like a plate of decaying fish with garlic but phosphene gas is produced on earth at least by bacteria that. Don't need oxygen. The kind that exists in swamp sludge and animal guts. So does this mean that something living some kind of bacteria maybe also exists on Venus to produce phosphene scientists say the short answer is no dry and acidic environment that would destroy the forms of life that exist on earth. So how did phosphene get to the other planet theories range from lightning and volcanoes to tiny meteorites and chemical reactions in Venus's clouds but no one knows for sure. So scientists are pushing for more research to be done on Venus to figure out why the gas is there. Some folks might be a little intimidated. Convenience store and saw this thing standing three feet away. Thankfully, it doesn't WANNA wrestle. It's a robotics companies answer for the need to restock store shelves while maintaining social distancing at least between people, it's three-pronged hands can be controlled remotely by person in another location it doesn't appear to be as fast as human stockers. It could take their jobs and we don't know how the cost of the robot compares to hiring a human for the work. And well, you can only give a high three at a five. It kicks stocking store shelves into a whole new gear guaranteed not steal any drinks because that would short circuit very thing that makes it robot tick. It turns any shop into a machine shop although customer complaints would be handled remotely. Barney. Highschool in Barna get. New. Jersey, gets today's shot up. Thank you for leaving a comment on our youtube channel. I'm coral issues for CNN I mean.
Best of 2020
"Everybody i am. Peter travers and this is popcorn special edition where we tell you what's going on at the movies in a big way because it's the end of the year and it's time for me to do my ten best lists you know i don't need to tell you it was a hell of a year. If you want to go to the movies you had to wear mask and then you worried about going in the first place and the few movie houses that were there had to cause because they were worried. So what do we do. We isolated at home streaming movies on tv monitors and laptops and smartphones and so many of the big movies like ran away. They were so scared they said. I'm not gonna come out this year. So we didn't get james bond. We didn't get fast and the furious or top gun the matrix and the remakes dune and west side story in candyman all for twenty twenty one. We hope if mr colder stays out of our way but that might seem that there was we were left with nothing but no way no way. Because i'm telling you there were surprises this year. Okay we depend on streaming. The good things really came in small packages. And if you improved that. I'm just not blowing hot air. Just listen to this list of the top. Ten movies of twenty twenty that i came up with number one number. One to me is spike. Lee's the five for me. There was no twenty twenty. Movie spoke with more to our current. Racial divide than this game changer from spike and in this movie he is telling the story of these four black veterans who would return to they were all emotionally damaged and they return to vietnam where they had fought in the present day because they wanted to recover the body of their fallen brother and on and that fallen brother was played by the lake. Chad with boseman. Delroy lindo was the guy who headed up the group that was going there and these two actors to watch them tear up the screen together even though chadwick boseman is basically playing in flashbacks. It's just so moving to watch them. And it's moving to feel spike lee's fury about how the heroism of black soldiers has been written out of history just in vietnam but the american revolution to the trump era astonishingly. The five bloods is the first major film. That views vietnam entirely through the eyes of black soldiers. So all priced despite for crafting a soul stirring film for our time and it's also one for the ages. Look at that you know spike in we have our problems from time to time but you know when he does good we gotta say spike. You did good number. Two is no man's land now. No man land isn't yet everywhere where you can actually stream it but if the five clubs is in your face nomad lands sneaks up on you it floors you and the film tracks. Though the warned lest of americans who travel around the country in vans searching for jobs snatches of human connection is millions of them out there and chloe the chinese-born director of this. I call it a work of art because he genuinely is the oscar for her place. She only the second woman in ninety four years to win an oscar following kathryn. Bigelow for locker boy. Does she deserve it. And she teamed up with. I think a never better. Frances mcdormand and the cast of real-life nomads. These guys are amateurs and they break your art and they talk about what fires up the human urge that we all have to get out there in rome to me. That's just the new american classic number. Three is a tough one because in this year. Do we know the difference between movies and television. I mean do we. We're watching everything in the same place you know really not going out and seeing things and so. I'm technically saying that lovers rock is my number three s best picture because the director steve mcqueen remember me when an oscar for a twelve years. A slave gives us the dance party that we needed in a lockdown year. And how does he do it you by immersing in nineteen eighty london house rave where black partygoers denied access to white clubs. Cut loose to reggae. Beat that you won't be able to resist. Come on people. If you just wanna lay back with a moving and just let the music take you. This is the one to do it. Lovers rock however is part of small acts into mcqueen's anthology of five original films that all tell personal stories from london's west indian community where mcqueen grew up is small x. More tv series than moving. Maybe i don't care what you caught. I caught unmissable and unforgettable so just watch it watch all five of them. Amazing work here number four the trial of the chicago seven. I mean you can't beat writer. Richter aaron sorkin for stirring things up the guy loves it remember the social network and he's had his incendiary best. Here what does he do. He recreates the nineteen sixty nine trial in which eight radicals were accused of conspiring to cause riots at the nineteen sixty eight democratic national convention in chicago. No-one burns with moral outrage about squashing free speech than sorgun and the actors. Oh my goodness. They're so great. Especially sasha baron cohen as often and yaya of duma teen the second is bobby seale and franklin. Gela is the demented judge. Franklin jealous should be up for best supporting actor. He is just so good. His view hate him. You want to go get away from it number five. Is i cap. Having just won the best movie prize from those tough to please. New york film critics. I should know. I'm a member of that group and what we grouchy. We don't like anything and we picked that as best picture and it's not my number one but what a great movie. It deserve your attention in reps. A new career pete for the writer director telling right cartoon did meek's cutoff an old jaw and this one is set in oregon during the eighteen. Twenty gold rush and we start to watch the friendship between a cook that john garowe plays in a runaway. Chinese immigrant played by ryan. Lay they steal milk from a rich neighbors cow. They make a killing in baked goods. But what is really killing doing. She's in her minimalist way. She's taking on the toxic roots of capitalism and the healing effects of friendships profound. You bet and it's just deeply moving number six is movie addicts. I'm one if you're listening to me. Now you're probably one to and we're gonna swoon. If you haven't seen it yet over david fincher little speculation you know is late. Father jack actually wrote the script and years later. He's done his dad disfavor by actually making this movie about the making of nine hundred forty one citizen gain which everybody still thinks. It's the greatest movie ever made. Did the credit along. The movie says to the young director orson welles or is it. The booze hound screenwriter. Herman j banquets and with. Gary oldman clank. You know he's still liking the parties rate and surprise. Surprise man safer it. Who plays the starlet. Marion davis she is burying. Davies was really underrated but what amend save. Free does is prove that she's always been a really good actress. It's not just mama mia so you're going to love to watch this. It's a love letter to old hollywood and also take down on politics. That makes it impossible for hollywood. Ever tell the real truth all right number seven never rarely sometimes always there were bigger. Show your movies this year but none took a more direct path to right here to me anyway Then elisa hit men's little quiet stunner about a pennsylvania teen a brilliant sydney flanagan. Who just one new york from critics awards. Best actress playing a seventeen year old teenager. Who goes with her cousin to manhattan looking for an abortion with only that cousin to lean on. she faces the most harrowing obstacles. Where people ask you questions that can take your personal life. It's coming apart and say did you. Do things never rarely sometimes oas. Hitmen is the third woman director to make my best list. This year along with coach. Zhao and kelly ryecart. These women have something to say and they say it so beautifully number. Eight monari look. You won't find a better movie about what it means to be a family anywhere than this one. Don't worry about it. You don't know what minority means if one bicket big huge prizes at sundance this year. And you can see what the writer director lee. Isaac chung used his own child to create a film about his korean parents and their pushed to create a better life in rural arkansas in the nineteen eighties steven young of the walking dead weeds. Amazing cast in this small gym minority is a korean plant with strength to grow even in rough soil and chunk turns that metaphor to something so funny so touching so you have got to see it number. Nine mom rainey's black bottom k. August wilson's great. Play about black musicians fighting racism in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven reveals. It's kind of stage arch. You can tell. It's a play but viola davis is defiant mother of the booze and the late chadwick boseman. As her muteness. Cornet man give electrifying performances. That will soon be the stuff of legend. I can see them going to that academy stage if there isn't academy stage for stabbed gone and if i could dedicate this year to just one creative artist it would be chadwick. Boseman you know gone too soon. From cancer at forty three the black panther star shockingly never won an oscar buzz. He'll be nominated for supporting role in the five blood. End is lead role in my rainy. And i say let him win. Boss in our in life chadwick boseman the word inspiring and because he's done our show so many times when we got to know he also defines the word class aright number ten. What is this is controversial. Because i know some people. Just don't understand this movie at all but gone with it. I'm picking tenant. Christopher nolan visual knockout it starred. John david washington. It was the only epic movie that i saw in a theater on a jumbo screen in this covert cursed year of twenty twenty. Even when i didn't know whether the plot was coming going actually does both that way it just confuses time tenet swept me away on. It's kinda delirious delicious. Ride that we go to the movies for it was thrilling. I missed that in theatre adrenaline. Rush you know that you get with this kind of fun escapism. I'm betting you do too. So here's to twenty twenty one and the hope that come on vaccines. You gotta help us that. We can all soon meet again in the dark to safely. 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The Twilight Zone and What's Making Us Happy
"Support for NPR and the following message come from Dulles International Airport with the highest on time takeoff percentage of any airport on the east coast. I a d means I'm already departing more at fly Dulles dot com slash fast. It's been sixteen sixty. Oh, sorry. It's been sixty years since the twilight zone, I aired with the voice and eventually the face of its creator rod Serling now CVS all access has brought the following series back in a new incarnation. This time the host is Jordan Peele. Pio was also an executive producer. And the big cast includes Adam Scott, kumail, nangiani, Sonali 'then, Stephen Tracy Morgan and a whole lot more. I'm Stephen Thompson. And I'm Linda Holmes here with me and Stephen in the studio to talk about the new twilight zone his Glen, well, then of NPR's arts desk, Glenn and in our fourth chair is daisy Rosario of NPR member station W AMU here in DC. Hi, daisy. Hello. So we have all seen four episodes of the new twilight zone and an untold number of episodes of the old twilight zone on that topic. Glenn were you a an old twilight zone viewer at all. Yes. In college. They were running I think to episodes and night. So it became kind of appointment viewing. Pretty sure I've seen them. All it's a very. Specific flavor. Isn't it lows old ones? They tend to be back in the day. Very tidy little fables for some minor little moral infraction causes some crazy ridiculous consequences, ridiculously harsh punishment. Don't get me started on time enough at last the one that really loves purchase mayor to the prince's buses one because I hate. You know, my favorite part of any given toilets own wasn't necessarily story. It's the moment when rod sterling would step out from behind Bush, and he looked rate with a very skinny lapels and even scarier ties. The Brill cream end the usually the cigarette going the cigarette like smoking with those old ones when you'd get the twist when you get the game when you figure out what it's about. You didn't have a lot of time to check your watch. Because it was twenty two minutes long, the new one in some cases, not all I think they get better as they go. But an hour is just a lot of time. Yeah. Just kind of thing. It's interesting because the first one which is the one that come on Johnny is in and full disclosure has been on this show. We know a little that one is the longest one I think, but to me I will admit I expected it to drag more than I found that it did I felt like with that one. There were several levels of what the game is right one of the twilight zones classic things is be careful. What you wish for and the power is awesome in both. Ways. Right. I kind of felt like that. When I stayed with it. But I totally get what you're saying. Dizzy, what was your reaction to these four episodes who they all felt long to? Yeah. Yeah. Which was the biggest I think bummer. I mean, I just felt super aware of the fact that they were longer than I needed them to be a huge fan of the original series. I should say that like I'm a really huge fan. I grew up on them. I can't even remember the first time I saw them because it was the kind of thing my mom, and I would watch together and reruns. And so it's been a constant in my life. I'm a huge fan of honor. I've always really loved rod sterling because of that like I always had a poster of him above my desk kind of level of love and the original series is very hit or miss as well. I mean, right. It just really is like you can make incredible playlist. You can make a killer playlist the videos of them if you leave out certain things, but it's up and down. But knowing that this is a completely new series in. They're trying to you know, right out the. Gate, get your attention. I might not have made it really passed the second up Assode. We weren't going to be talking about it. I probably would have put it on the back burner and go all at that get a little further and revisit. Yeah. And see what people are saying I've done that with many shows. And I think we should say probably that these four episodes of the first one non Johnny plays, a comedian who is kind of struggling and wants to be famous a very kind of a classic twilight. Yes. Very to me the setup is the most twilight zone. Yeah. And the second one Adam Scott plays a guy who's on a plane in kind of a spin on Zee William Shatner sees a monster on the wing of the plane episode, which is kind of a classic. But in that one it's a different kind of thing. It has some of the same dynamics. But the ending is really different and didn't work for me. Steven, what did you think about these? Well, I mean, I I will back up everything that these England is said the episode's tend to be too long. It is wildly uneven. Just like the original. I did find that from episode episode because you have completely different stories to completely different cast. You have these tonal shifts that can be really really wild. Especially from episode episode. I enjoyed the Camille non Johnny episode in part because so much of it is Camille Johnny on stage. So the fact that it dragged for fifty five minutes when it probably should have been thirty five didn't bother me as much. I thought the Adam Scott one was fine until that kind of dopey ending. Then you have the third episode replay with Sonali 'then, and it is a a more wrenching kind of hard sit. She's the mother of a son who is going to college and she's carrying around this old camcorder and she realizes through twilight zone. Ian nations that she can rewind time using the camcorder. And basically, the camera becomes a metaphor for for the eternal vigilance required of African Americans when dealing with the police, it is a very powerful episode. It is a very difficult episode to watch. But it is weird too. Have the experience of watching the twilight zone and have that burgling of dread and rage offset against the inherent corny -ness of the twilight zone where you have Jordan Peele kind of turn his head in twilight zone. And so that episode for me, you felt the corny nece butting up against intensity and sincerity and powerful storytelling. And then the fourth episode a traveler that's the one with Stephen Younan great career. It's an x files episodes executive. It's written expels writers. And I also think that is the one that is the most to me about that Steven young performance. I think there's there's not that much going in on in that one. That is interesting from story perspective for me. But I love that performance. He's such an interesting sued. It's interesting to watch this and also his performance in burning. He's got a real handle on these kind of uncomfortably confident. Sort of Weasley, but charming, he's got a real style. I love his performance in it. But I got to the end of it. And I was sorta like I mean, okay. I mean, the Somali thing when I do want to comment I love her. She's such a good actress. She's I go back with her to love and basketball and some other things, and she doesn't get necessarily as many great roles as she should. So I was really happy to see her in this. And I do think there's a poignancy to. I mean, the twilight zone has always been trying to use these hooks to tell a real story about morality, and I think it makes some sense that that morality has evolved a little bit because it's no longer. Just be careful what you wish for and stuff like that. I wrote about this. When I when I reviewed it for NPR, but surly had a real kind of don't, you know, just embrace your community. Don't let the community turn on each other. And this episode I like because it partly has an understanding that the community has already turned on certain people. There's not the same reverence. I don't think for the small town because a lot of times he would do the sort of the nuclear attack fear rips, the bandages off of all the wounds, and the small town turns on each other this I think relies more than understanding that it already is a very dangerous situation for a lot of people, and how they might respond one thing that is that I like about this series is that only one of the four that we've seen has point of view character. That's a white dude any old toilet one. I can think of the point of your why I mean, I really liked having women. So in that Stephen unanimous owed which has an air yet. You know, the point of view character is an annual it woman police officer like like when you gonna see that anywhere else. I mean, that's that's Jordan Peele. He's producing a show. He's also starring in. I do really want to pick up on something that that Stevens said, you know, when rod sterling would step out from behind a Bush or just shop in the kitchen. You know, there was something that was the game. He would be talking about very serious things. But it just couched in this nostalgia. I I don't know it here. It really is like a record scratch because it is an the word. I used is corny. It's exactly the word that you used. It's just it just doesn't it? Just doesn't work for me. I don't think we need it. It's funny because I watched the first couple of episodes, then took a break and went back to it. And I actually think that's a better way to watch this show this oddly enough is to me a very unbelievable show. I don't think binging a bunch of episodes at once is the best way to go, and it's a little bit better taken in piecemeal because it feels so piecemeal. Thematically from episode episode. I'd actually taken down in my notes after watching the first couple episodes. I like the way this show leans into its Cornyn, est. I wrote like I think that that kind of silliness when the concept is a little silly. When it's kind of over wrought, then that narration is fun and playful and you're just like in the twilight zone. Yeah. But when when episode takes a serious hard tonal shift that doesn't work as well. And so this is really a show that I recommend Kenneth keeping your ear to the ground. And when people are talking about an episode being particularly good go and chase that episode down. If you have CBS all access, I don't necessarily think you need to like sit down and spend a weekend main lining the way there are so many other shows that that works incredibly well doing I like it a little bit more. I think than you guys do and I liked that Sonali than episode. I think more than you did. Because to me, it's not any more. Heh. Heavy in the sense that you know, a lot of old twilight zone episodes were about things like nuclear attacks and isolation, and and racism, the fear that was at the the absolute heart of the twilight zone for me. Always was the fear of being by yourself. The fear of being left alone is what many of those episodes rely upon not just the fear that you're gonna wind wind up on another planet, you know, with no one around, although they did that story kind of several times, but the fear that no one believes you about what you are seeing. That's kind of what the shattner episode on the plane as it's always been about this profound fear of being by yourself. And I think what I like about these episodes is they don't have a unifying, you know, the one fear that you can kind of see running through all the episodes and not such a regard for community as a safeguard against problems. I don't think that episode is anymore. Heavy I think it's just more. Pacific. I think it's more specific and it's more topical. But it's not any heavier than, you know, ones that were about other things, including as Glenn said, many were allegories about racism and xenophobia and other 'isms of different kinds. Now, I would agree with that. I think also as we're having this conversation. I'm also thinking a little bit about widen. The Jordan Peele thing work in. It's also like, well, you know, rod sterling, I couldn't imagine him in sketch outfits from his previous right? So there's so the Jordan Peele is kind of showing up with this. Baggage of he's hilarious. And obviously, incredibly smart like the fact that the person who made get out is the person that's bringing the show back gives me so much. Hope I agree. Even though I didn't love these first few episodes as much as I would have liked. It's not something that I'm never going to revisit. But I do think in terms of how they bring him in. It feels weird one because we have these previous associations with him. Was cute peel in Campell? Yeah. I mean when he was on mad TV. I mean, he's just he has these other images that he brings up and it's not like he's in get out. So smart as that is it's not how I picture him. But then also, you know, the original series as much as rod sterling came in. There were times where he kept it to voice over and think that in when I say they could have been more thoughtful in some of those moments in terms of how to bring in this major element of the original series. This host this narrator. I think that's what I mean there because it it is almost distracting to me in that Sonali th and showed which I really enjoyed that episode in a way that it it works so much better in the command on Janica peel talks has talked about that a little bit that he wasn't sure whether he should do it because he was afraid that it would set off a comedy instinct, and I think one thing that probably happened to me is I saw these right after I had seen us. So I was very much in the mind of Jordan Peele, fascinating horror director, more than Jordan, Peele key and Peele. We'll Kiana all that. When it came into this. Well, I do want to hear what those of you who managed to catch at least an episode of this. I think the first episode is still on YouTube the comedian episode. Yes. Free to check out if you wanna get a taste or let us know what you think find us on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash P, C J or tweet us a PCH and tell us what you think of the twilight zone when we come back. 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So you don't have to plus you can use gusto to offer add on health benefits. More at gusto dot com slash NPR. Izenberg host of NPR's asked me another. And I'm here to let you know that every Friday in April, we're bringing you an episode that spotlights women in comedy, you'll hear from Reta the starve NBC's parks recreation, and I'll talk to Russian doll actor grittily and co-creator, Leslie Hedlund and many more. Listen now. Welcome back to pop culture. Happy hour. It's time for our favorite segment. What is making us happy this week? Stephen Thompson, what is making you happy this week our spend a chunk of this weekend embarking on something. I like to do every once in a while. And that is a rob Delaney been. Binged season four of catastrophe show. I so dearly love, and I've talked about multiple times on this show before that binge was triggered by a wonderful twenty four minute interview with rob Delaney than I heard last week on fresh air. And if you have not heard it if you have not heard this interview, I'm guessing you've probably heard fresh air. But if you've not heard this interview, I highly recommend tracking it down. Rob Delaney has had such an interesting and sad and fascinating and beautiful string of of years, and some of that has fed into this wonderful wonderful show in the interview, he talks about grief. He lost a son fairly recently his writing process with Sharon Horgan, the wonderful co creator and co star of catastrophe and talks a lot about marriage, and how this show tries to depict the harsh and wonderful and thorny realities of maintaining a long term relationship. It is such a wonderful show. I am so sad that it is over those twenty four magical episodes still live on Amazon prime if you've not checked them out. And also really go track down this fresh air interview. It's terrific. He so fun. Thank you very much. Stephen Thompson support that Glen Weldon. What is making you happy this week? Oh, you know last year when I recommended a British narrow podcast called wooden overcoats. I heard from a lot of people saying, hey, this is this is great. And I always like that. When that happened Selleck being right? Something happened that I like even more which is people would say, oh, that's great. You check out this. And this in this case was Victoria city. It's another British narrative podcast. This one is set in an alternate London. Steam puck adjacent, I would say, and you know, I'm aware of steam punks work, but that's not my thing. But this is funny as hell it's about this easily annoyed Detective Inspector and the very eager reporter that they go on a case. There's a big overarching mystery there's lots and lots and lots and lots of word play. It's good old timey radio. And it's, you know, the Victoria city is refers to the fact that in this alternate universe Queen Vic. Tura is a robot, basically. So it's called Victoria city, and you should check it out. Thank you very much Glen. Well, then daisy Rosario what is making you happy this week. I am happy about the fact that something I've loved for a long time is good again after not being good for a long time. And that is project runway. This as my pick good, Pat considered catastrophe. So yes, we are all circling some very lovely drains this week. But I I am so thrilled that project runway is finally back to form. And and I want to acknowledge that their last full regular season on lifetime is actually a very good season that somehow it was kind of very strong. But it felt like a blip. It seemed like they didn't quite know how they made that happen. It is back new host Carly Kloss whose name I had heard before. But who I literally knew nothing about until the new show and Christian Cyrano who's you know, the most successful project runway alum of all time is replacing Tim Gunn. I loved him gun. Honestly of all the elements changing. I was most nervous about the Tim Gunn thing. But Christian has been fantastic. The show is back the tone of the show is changed. And it's it's so excited to be back. And it's really being put together. Very well. This has been one of my all time favorite shows. I love watching people do something that I am not capable of doing. And there's some. Personalities, but it's really about their skill. I love the show. It is back to form. Yes. This is exciting. I dipped out of that show years ago. I am so fascinated by the evolution as a human being of Christian Syria hundred percents. I because he was such an annoying tour on his original season of project runway. But you can't write people off on their twenty three years old. Now, he's he's so good. He's so good as a mentor is wonderful. He's so smart his comments or says smart he understands where they are mentally in terms of the clock. And he's just like you only have two hours, but I should mention full disclosure super weird fact Christian Cyrano used to be my friends roommate years ago back when I think he was like seventeen and had just moved to New York. I don't think he would ever recognize me. Remember? Always rooting for him ever since that first season. I agree with this so much. Oh, good pick days your area. Thank you very much. What is making me happy this week? And this is another bene- favorite for a long time different tone, different tone, bene- favor for a long time. I went back this weekend. And I was watching some recent episodes of property brothers. If you know this from Twitter, but I bought a house recently. And so I have been watching a lot of HGTV, and I went back and watched a bunch of property brothers. And you know, what I learned they've made some improvements to the four brothers. And I was very surprised they have stopped doing the thing where they take you to a house that they pretend is one of the possibilities. And then they say, well, this cost eight million dollars because everyone clearly was onto that scheme. So that whole thing just seemed so ridiculous that the person would be like this is perfect. That's by this house. They say it's eight million dollars won't while? But now they just say we're going to take you to one for inspiration. So that they no longer are going through that ridiculous short for on charade. Yes. They've also kind of lightened up on the it's this house versus this house. They just kinda show you two houses. And then they say, which of these do you think would be good as opposed to, you know, your choosing between and drummer all they kind of go through the process of buying it. They've also had a couple of episodes where they didn't get the house. They tried to get I which never I feel like us to happen. It's better. And to me this show has been around for a zillion years and his wildly successful. And I think they're very smart. This is kind of what's making me. Happy is not just property brothers. But you can take a show that's been around for a long time that has a formula and say, but what about the formula is kinda dumb, and you can change the dumb parts of the formula. So I feel like this is a great week for reality shows that have been around for a long time. You have the last few seasons of survivor. Season thirty eight and it has gotten so much better in recent. It's true. And I think you can always you can always change it up. You can always find options, and I'm happy the daisy. And I both are sort of in that camp. I love what project runway is right now to I almost picked up myself. And that is what is making me happy this week that brings us to the end of our show. You can find all of us on Twitter. You can find me at Linda, Holmes. You can find Stephen it. 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"This. Episode is brought to you by. Making sweet memories might look a little different this year but that doesn't mean holiday traditions or canceled. From Cozy Movie Nights on the Sofa to sharing holiday meals over video chat Ikea is here to help you add a touch of Magic to the holiday season visit Kia dash dot com or your local store to shop holiday essentials. Hello and welcome to little old men the award season podcast from Vanity Fair. It's such an honor to present this next award hero nominated and. The screw. Pandya. School and I can't deny the fact that you like me. There's mistake. Grew light you guys won best picture. I'm Katie rich of the deputy editor of Vanity Fair Dot Com and I'm here once again with our senior writer Joanna Robinson I Katie and our chief critic Richard. Lawson Philo If you look, it's been a really long time since we recorded since last week we did our immediately after the emmys episode and then we haven't talked about movies in like two weeks and there's been some stuff going on. You know it's it's a pretty MD release schedule for the rest of the year but right now is. A little bit of a lively time, which is nice much. Thanks to Netflix's which we'll get into We're going to talk about a big rush of things, and then also in the back half episode have Joanna's interview with Jessie. Buckley who was in I'm thinking of ending things just a few weeks ago that we talked about and is now on the four season, of Fargo, which has premiered on fx and Jessie Buckley is a very big like film twitter hero these days. So good get I'm excited here. I know they do the get but. She's fantastic. So yeah, but first of all. So yeah, we last talked Richard Gere. Still in the midst of the phone festival we did an article wrapping it up including the fact that nomad land had won the audience award, which is a big huge traditional Oscar precursor in. It's a little unclear what that's going to mean this year especially because there's a lot of movies that are going to be coming out this year but one that is coming out that we have. been wondering about released a new trailer as we recording this I, it's eight twenty minority which premiered at the Sundance Film Festival you're worried about it there Richard, the trailer I mean a little raw from having watched the debate last night. But like it made me very emotional to watch the trailer for a movie I haven't seen and all reports from. Sundance suggests that the trailer that the movie has the goods at the trailer is promising something that actually really is Great Oh Yeah. It's really great. I. Mean. It's probably the best thing I saw at Sundance. and. I'm wary to talk about it because I'm just I'm just so nervous that like these released tapes are going to keep changing and I don't want to get people excited for something great in the next couple of months. But but just in case it does actually come out between now and I don't know twenty, twenty four. It's written by Chung. Who is an interesting independent filmmaker and this is a really autobiographical piece about. Some version of his own family father and mother who were Korean immigrants moved to rural Arkansas so the father could. Basically, I don't know create a version of the American dream and agrarian farm life kind of thing. In some ways. It's a different perspective on the American immigrant experience that we tend to see happen in cities. This is not just like suburban and this is really rural, and so it feels like a new thing in that way I? Mean I'm sure it means it's not other other things about this too but but the the compassion and the. Warmth and the the humor that he brings to the film and the Casto's. That at the very least in this year is going to feel like hope very refreshing and welcomed by people when they get to see it. I WANNA I wanNA little bit of optimism. So eight, twenty, four, sent a preview of this trailer yesterday and said that the release date will be no later than February twenty, twenty, one which. Given the new Oscar schedule that that doesn't mean awards eligibility. So I think minority now gets to me something we get to solidly look forward to thank God I. Think we really needed that I'm ready I'm ready for Stephen deserves an Oscar nomination. Round to let's let's do it. For burning. He got so much acclaim now and maybe a few critics awards but didn't quite get through but it does seem like a bit especially given how movies there are like the seems like a small movie. But this might be the year for small movies at the Oscars and if I could you know I would hate to pit father and son against each other but Steven Jahn is fantastic in. The movie is the father who moves his family to dislike trailer in the middle of nowhere. But Alan S. Kim, who plays his son who I believe is kind of standing for the filmmaker is incredible like one of the least like precocious child performances so natural. So funny. So moving that you know it's not as flashy as I see dead people or Little Miss Sunshine, but like it's been nominated before. And in fact, one in the case of Tatum O'Neal non-opec and so. I I wouldn't want to put that weight on his shoulders. Tiniest is but Yeah I mean the cast in general is terrific. But yes, Stephen as the biggest name in America in the film he carries it with a real humility. He's not the lead it's not showy. It's it's a very much an unsolvable piece, but I'm sure that his presence is what helped get it financed simple as. Well No, but he's he's one of those. You know he walked and walked off the walking dead. He left the walking dead more. You know the biggest show in the world or whatever, and he the what he's done. We talked about this back when burning was something you were talking about on this podcast but like what he's done with his fame. Similar to like Patent Center, Kristen Stewart or whatever they're like I've got scads of money and a lot of fame and let me bring my star to these other projects and and also because I genuinely what he's interested in doing I. Just I love him. I'm so excited for another year where we get to talk about radius and not to be like base. But like he spends a lot of the time like sweaty and far. Said honor Sunday. It's episode like it's not a bad luck. I'll. Just I'll just put that out there. I might be reaching I. Don't know because I've only seen the trailer, but it gave me like in America vibes do you like? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah and not just because it's about the Asian American experience but like is similar to the farewell. There's a wonderful grandmother character. But it doesn't feel like in America didn't. It this doesn't feel trait or cliche doesn't own. Here's The stock grandmother character, and here's The stock kid character it just everything feels so. Particular, mend individual and I think many filmmakers have tried to cinematographers their own lives. It doesn't always work, but in this case. Really pays off. I. Mean I left the theater I would just tweeted to to someone when the trailer came out that I left the theater kind of like Santiago remember from American idol. Sleeping but also clapping and you know. I was a mess and happiness and living person reference and twenty. figure it to. Someone of a tangent but as speaking of Toronto movies that we didn't get a chance to talk about Richard in your rundown of Sunday right what you read about minority you also mentioned having the father. was, a Sundance Premiere. It also played at Toronto, which is how I saw it you know virtually and you I. Think you planted your flag basically like Anthony Hopkins is going to win a best actor Oscar for this The movie really is terrific I. Think as we sit here and talk about Steven Young Lake I, don't know that we're going to be like Anthony will run away with it because who knows, but I didn't WanNa shot that movie which is it is coming out in December from Sony Pictures Classics I. Think At this point, we can count on these smaller movies that didn't that don't have to make a hundred million dollars in theaters to break even like the tenets. Or West side stories So I'm excited for people to see the father I thought that movie really held up well to you know I didn't know that much about it and kind of assumed it was gonna be a chamber talkie based on a play drama but it's it's a lot more interesting than that I liked it a lot. Yeah. It's really formerly interesting I mean I it's a very well made movie in an intricately interestingly made movie and I think the nice thing about the father now that you've seen a Katie the think you'd agree is that like it's so light and charming and fun fun. It's like it's not depressing and terrifying all no I'm kidding it's about Oh and reality. Collapse. It's a perfect. It's perfect movie for right now. Oh. margery prime which I think was also. came. Out a couple years ago A lot of like is just people in a room but it the way that the film can kind of twist your sense of what's real and what's not it's really well done. I still have the posted a link in it survived a move I. Have a posted on my monitor that says Richard Shot Anthony Hopkins? Oh. Diction from Sundance Richard I'm rooting you remembering bets from before the pandemic started is very impressive very on brand for. Shoot he's GonNa win. In a normal capacity. Is going to win. It is an undeniable performance like gum in inasmuch as I'm almost convinced for instance, McDonalds going into yeah. Well Yeah and he was Anthony Hopkins was so great and Westworld, and any has this like commanding Anthony Hopkins of about him and there are some of that in this but also so much else there's all these layers that I think you might expect someone this late in their career who's already done so much can really coast through a lot of things there's coasting in this, which is really impressive. Did you nothing? Anthony? Hopkins says the TIKTOK. Actually. There's like a grandchild who's got him on Tiktok or is it just it's really Anthony Hopkins I mean like I know the other ones are real but no, it's like it's the same as twitter where he plays the piano sometimes than just like says stuff and sometimes a cat and this is well, we should talk about kind of we're dancing around is out a lot of release dates have changed since we last talked about movies on this. West side story for me was the big one on. It moved out of Christmas, all the way to next year I think that and Dune. We're kind of the last two big releases of the year like okay. So that could be like the Big Studio Oscar Movie dunes is still in place I don't know how long it's GonNa last and I think now it's just seems kind of clear that like this year's Oscar race will be smaller movies that don't really need to make a ton of money in theaters. Are you are you guys with me that that's a safe assumption by now? What's been interesting to me and I I think this is yes ending what you said and not moving off what you said. The only thing that I've noticed and this is self selecting audience because it's like our listeners but there's like a, there's a slack group of our listeners that I am aware of and a lot of them were snapping up tickets to various festivals like verge film festivals, and like getting to watch you know the New York Film Festival or buying Chicago Film Festival or something like that and getting to watch movies and so like maybe it's the maybe in some regard it's something of the reverse of what I talked about when we were talking about Toronto in terms of Lake. Film Bustle stuff not reaching wider audiences and like okay. But at the same time the it's more, they're more accessible to some other people than the hung than in years past. So That's interesting as well but I think I think that speaks to your likes. So the awareness of something like nomad land or something like that. It's like are people going to be aware and excited about that at the Oscars will maybe if they went to a virtual film festival, they will be I. Don't know you know. Yeah. I don't know what to expect about enthusiasm from like color normal people about the Oscars this year like got who knows what we happening in April it is again, very hard to see into the future but I think if you're someone who has seen any of these movies has seen Nari or nomad land or you know going back to first cow, which you know I've been holding a torch forever since then like it, it is going to be the year for that. I think like unless they cancelled the Oscars which I don't think will. You know you're not going to get west side story or even deep water like none of that stuff is coming. So here's what we got. No best original song for the new one they surely added in the heights anyhow. I mean there is it is going to be interesting like if it does this like the visual effects category is going to be really strange original song the stuff were studio movies really tend to dominate. Even, thought that far ahead, we'll something I wrote about when I kind of did like what the Oscars could learn from the know you know social distance emmys was that like The Oscars are always bigger than the EMMYS and the emmys got terrible ratings this year. So hopefully, by April, they could figure the Oscars could figure out how to attract people but one of those would be kind of like the be amazed like you can film some musical performances remotely right and not that the Oscars should become a concert but like they could rely on five best song nominees and that would peppered throughout the night. But if there aren't big studio movies coming out with big songs. Do they even have that. which you know from from a broadcast concerned from a ratings concern. That that is a big problem. I like the trolls world or song me I. I'm GonNa I'm GonNa look into this for next week I'm going to figure out some original song contenders. Very curious because the the academy's new rules they don't trolls aren't included anymore because they. Knowledge trolls. To revisit that policy. Union Serve Different Union. I mean. So with no land winning the Audience Award at Toronto and then you know kind of all these films dropping off the schedule like that does feel like a big contender in a way that it might not at this point in other years and I, know Mandolin that'd be really excited to of run the table this year is there anything else that you guys are feeling specifically hopeful for? As being a contender now that it might not have been in a normal year. A movie that I reviewed last week is the nest another Sunday and standout actually is out now in some theaters and then it's going to be on the Vod in November. And that's a movie from Sean Durkin who did Martha Marcy, May Marlene God the nine years ago or something. And then he's done some TV in in England since this is his first film since then and it's really dark and interesting But most of all is Carrie coon who gives dislike show stopping performance as. The wife of a man played by Jude. Law. Who has dragged the family to his native England. And she's kind of realizing the many compromises and two seats of the marriage. And she's just ferocious and she so good and normally in a normal year. That kind of performance would be allotted indie thing. Maybe maybe maybe some critics awards or a spirit award nomination or something like that. But with a much emptier field potentially. And if the movie gets put in front of the right people I, have my fingers loosely crossed for her yeah and I feel like it should be emphasized that there are ton of great movies to choose from for the Oscars like the fact that we're not getting giant. Tenants eligible that other than that. There's not that. Big Movies to choose from but there's so much good that can come from this and they feel like any sense like the Oscars will be empty or they'll have to like scramble to find enough people to nominate this at the echo that thinking there's way too much good stuff. Oh, completely it's just GonNa be like as you said, different a different angle of approach but still a. Of Film and especially in this year not Santa mawkish about it but like I think you know like the stories that that we could find and get invested in have been really helpful. So. At least for me. So yeah well, and the thing that we do, you know it's an empty release schedule in theaters, but Netflix's has a full slate that's coming in. Change there as far as we can tell and neglected to put this on our on our rundown of what's coming but the trial was Chicago seven has been screening for people and I've seen it twice now because I watched it and then showed it to my my boomer and laws who loved it obviously, and I really like to join I. Don't think you have seen in Richard I think you have not yet? No. I have. I'm reviewing it next week for the quick release We should probably not talk about intimacy tell them. We can get into it then, but I do think that kind of emerged Netflix very coordinated and I think a little foolish thing where they made everyone like or they made a lot of people like watch a livestream streams they all watch at the same time and then got the thing that no one can get right now, which is like a big flood of tweets afterwards everyone talking about it all at once. And I think that really worked out for them because it's it's a crowd pleaser than and it played really well even on my laptop. So I think that's a a huge look out for that. We can get into more later it feels. As exciting as it was to have films like parasite in Moonlight Win big big at the Oscars I mean maybe there will be this idea that does the trial Chicago seven you've having seen it confessions of this feel like a throwback to like what? Used to dominate the Oscars and I'm not saying it's better that used to be the case but like maybe there will be like that desire to cling to that. Feel. So Oscar in a way. Yeah it's much more of a classic like moving grownups crowd-pleaser than a lot of other stuff that will be out there this year in. The nineteen nineties s is a podcast about the decade that changed US interviews from some of the biggest names in fashion including mutual Prada on Ford have inclined Marc Jacobs Dapper Dan Donna Carris McCartney called Kid MC Toria back. From folks editorial team and presented by Anna Winter I'm Hamish Bowles join us a decade unforgettable fashion listen and subscribe on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you get. So we can say this Netflix's cul de sac actually now and talk about some things that you can watch. Because again is often the only people who have new stuff and you guys got me to watch in all homes which I liked so much and it apparently is very popular according to Netflix's internal metrics on it. I. Don't think I don't. It's Kinda hard to keep track on how anybody is making anything eligible I think it's kind of a if you say so it is but I don't think homes is going to be put out there for Oscar consideration, but I liked it a lot. So, okay. Here's the right I went on with homes. I was made aware of the projects and I was like. Oh. Sherlock's little sister already that sounds silly I. don't really want to see that very much, and then I watched the trailer and I was like Oh. This looks like a fun. ROMP. Geramny can be less of a SNOB and just enjoy yourself, and then at the very end of the trailer, they dropped the rating credit, which is Jack. Thorne who's the one that I have had a very tough time with in terms of various projects that he has touched over the last several years he did like the Harry Potter. Stage play he did his dark materials adaptation to the Secret Guard adaptation like in terms of someone who he's he's been tapped to adopt a lot of like British cannon things and and I've just found again and again I find it has no sense of what made the source material good in the first place then really pessimistic. But then it was like you know is that friction list Netflix's things where it was like Friday morning and I was like Oh. Maybe I'll just background watching all homes while I do. and. Then it was just a delight and my sister texting me over the weekend and she's like tell me something that will make me happy and not sad. Watching homes up. I think a lot of people were maybe a little too overboard and saying like Oh, my God a star making turn for Millie Bobby Brown and stuff like that and I'm like I quite liked her in this more than I liked her in anything she did in stranger. Things. But. I could have deleted five like cheeky winks to the camera and still been You know all in on on the movie. So yeah. Yeah. That's that's sort of how I felt about it. What did you think Richard? I was charmed. It's a funny project because it's essentially just a why a reimagining of Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes like in the way it's filmed Da. which you know I like that Sherlock Holmes is much is like I think people grown at it but I think Netflix's doing a weird thing where they are almost without the probably the legal restrictions creating a kind of fifty studio system for its actors. Just see them popping up in like other Netflix's projects and like. Millie, bobby around the debris cout star of stranger things to. Then, get her own lead movie I know it was supposed to be the triple released but. I I think it's interesting I. think she quit yourself well, I think she rises to the task. It's fun to have two older guys who are of varying fame actually probably same class with probably less famous than she is but you know of supporting her I thought it was charming and like you know the kid the boy they find for her to kind of hang out with is like fun and cute and like their romances handled, I think in a in a very modern way. So he's got such like a pretty unthreatening adolescent boy energy like he's got some soft face. Perfect. To Capri all over. And the way they handle it is smart they're not being so like overly aware of the time by saying the female protagonist can't have a love interest. It's like she can. It just can't be the only thing you know like yeah I. Think it's all really well proportioned I think it's Funny that in the movie that I don't think it's a spoiler. The love interest the Marquess of wherever. He gets he gets haircut like. The movie and it's like the haircut makes him look like any TIKTOK, Abloy Right now. So it's just a gentle way of the film being like, okay. Girls today or boys to obviously watching this think he's in different clothing but like pretty much you'd see this kid Tiktok and. Out Very true. No one thing I did knows about an only slightly annoying me but mostly I just thought it was interesting is that there's a lot of effort in the execution and the screenplay to make sure that audiences couldn't accuse homes of being a mary sue they're like issues capable of anything we're GONNA show you exactly why she knows how to do all the things she knows how to do which I don't think it's something male protagonists are burdened with but in a Post Lake, Ray, Star Wars world, I feel like that's that. That screenwriters think about which is too bad. But homes is a is a fun heroin for for folks to latch onto it, and then also you get all these flashbacks of her leg doing combat training with Helena, Bonham Carter, and you're like, great how about Him Curtis Great in this movie I don't about that in house that Netflix thing with her being on the crown about how if like if Helena Bonham Carter is now Netflix's stable of the fifty studio system like great pop her in anything I will be excited to watch it. Yeah. Well further on the Netflix style as you know if you're Morgan Freeman and you channel Surf through Netflix's he. is how he discovered the Kaminsky method. Richard you reviewed the boys in the band this week and I, and I like to review because I. I knew that you didn't like the stage show and those kind of prepared for you to not like the movie which I think you did but you you really went to ephesus that you went in with an open mind like you were ready to kind of change your mind about this whole thing and then it didn't work honestly that sounds exhausting. So thank you for for going through that process at all. Yeah. I mean, I. I had seen the nineteen seventy, the William Freakin. Version the film version based on the sixty eight play in college like with some like gay friends you know theater friends or whatever. But that was a long time ago and so when I saw the the the new production by Joe Montello produced by Ryan Murphy on Broadway in two thousand, eighteen I kind of didn't really remember the dynamic of the show or at least not as an adult like an adult living in New York. City. So kind of like the exactly the blaze about. And I hated it so much and I, like tweeted about it and some people got mad at me on twitter other people were fine. Were just like well, you know you're you're wrong or whatever but. Anyway, he kind of stuck with me and then found out the movie was coming out I kind of. Did a big Gulp and was like God I can't believe I have to wait into this again. But in prep for that, I did rewatch the free conversion I saw the value of what the piece is in its time. I think my real problem is it really shouldn't be revived if it's done on thoughtfully as this movie is. It's I mean other people liked it like past future gas mark Harris really enjoyed it. He wrote a long piece about it for New York magazine. It's gotten largely positive reviews. So I might be someone in the minority there but I, just think it's so cartoonish and stagey and the acting especially from Zach into Jim Parsons is really over the top I. Mean they were big on stage and they're really big on film and it just really doesn't work for me. That might be simply an issue of of preference and taste honestly like it's just not my kind of thing i. Mean whatever. There's been a lot of discussion. Gap Around this right that if you were not, you know a gay man in the early seventies, you can't really understand like what this play met at the time to kind of represent this and you know Richard No fence you're not like agenda Tick Talker So I'm I'm curious about like you standing in. Stand inbetween earlier generation like a current young generation like I just wonder what's a twenty two year old would think about this at all like if it would feel like it's from a different planet. Yeah. I mean they might think that my particular generation I'm thirty seven. We were a little bit. You know like like like Moore's were changing culturally when we were in high school into college and so I came out in high school but many of my friends didn't until college after there were certainly not a huge onslaught of mass media about gay people targeted at gay people. We were close enough to the generation that really had suffered terribly the generations plural that had suffered during AIDS, and so we're always in this kind of I. Think every generation thinks that they're like in the weird question mark problem generation but like I really think historically. People my age gay people kind of fell into this weird limited space, and I think that this production is is meant in some ways to bridge that gap I mean most of the actors in are in their thirties and forties you know. So people of my generation sort of reinterpreting this thing that they're queer elders. Held up as dislike vital early pre stonewall thing a distorted like insistence on gay. Visibility. So it comes fraught this piece, this piece comes so laden with meaning both personally, and culturally for people that it's kind of hard to grapple with and I think that's probably also what's What incited such like repulsed reaction for me is that like the thing just hits big either either good or bad you know and for me feeling as part of that kind of like. I Dunno lost generation or whatever like I not lost at all but but sort of middle, generation? Feel. A little I. Don't know the younger gay person is because I think. So much of it is going to seem like ancient in terms of the humor and whole you know this this pageant of self loathing and I'm and I know that are kids today who feel that and I you know I wouldn't I wouldn't ever begin to say that like everything is fixed but. I don't know I'll be very curious to see how the whole thing is received when it's out I've been tardy. Well. It's coming what two weeks after Rachid Premieres which I guess ratchet is getting watched a lot but you know it's been a big year for Ryan Murphy Adjacent Netflix Projects, and then the the problem which feels like if anything like at the Golden Globes nominee and anything can be a problem. So I wonder how this kind of will fit into the overall arc of Ryan Murphy and his extremely expensive Netflix's deal and how it's kind of rolled out in force this year. The Ryan Murphy of it all is its own podcast feel like that. That whole thing and it's interesting that that's happening right as Britain Shonda rhimes as I show for net flicks is I think available for critics to screen right now these are the two huge kind of you know tent pole production TV deals that depolas data in the past few years and. I don't know that Ryan's Marine Murphy's is going. that. Well. But I think from. Beyond my own perspective like boys in the band is going over well, like it's been awhile reviewed I think either based on the responses to like when I tweeted my review out like people are love or hate it definitely GonNa Watch it granted that some confirmation bias based on who follows in who I interact with on twitter but. I don't know I think that like in some ways kind of. Like a violent reaction positively or negatively is the point and and so I mean mission accomplished even though I gave a bad review. Muslim. It's a little little bit of a sidebar but the way that this kind of exist as he filmed version of a play, not quite they but they cast in what the constitution means to. Me is coming to Amazon and a couple of weeks and obviously Hamilton earlier this year it's been an interesting year for letting Broadway shows have a second life which. I think if you're on Broadway and there's no prospects for reopening anytime soon like maybe that's a relief just like some of these works get to live on at all in front of the rest of us. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean I this is made me. I'm more curious to see what other theater makes its way to to film even either between like. Literally a stage thing like Hamilton or this. I think that. A lot of these plays are going to have to sort of re interpreted for film because. Gathering public by not be possible for a long time. If you Jackman music. Man is a net. One night. Special I. Don't know. I guess I'll see it. Okay, and for our last show to catch up on. JOINT WE'RE GONNA talk we're GonNa have your interview with Jessie. Buckley. But unless unloaded about this season of Fargo, you have been I feel like a Fargo. You kind of expanding the Gospel since the very beginning and I haven't watched any of the season yet but I'm really curious about it like Chris Rock being on it is obviously intriguing. It's kind of a further back in the past period piece How is it? Yeah, it's interesting. I've been I have been a huge. No Holly Fan since Fargo Season One premiered on fx. Years ago and His the Holly Empires. Spread from there in terms of Lake, you know he did Legion and then he did the Natalie Portman astronaut movie and then he's doing this i. think he's still doing the Star Trek movie I think he's still on that project and my you know from afar diagnosis is that like maybe no holly has spread himself a little too thin would be my. Take on things because there's a lot to love about Fargo but it doesn't end. We should say, of course, Fargo is sort of infamously one of one of the biggest productions that was shut down by Cova then came back and finish in his now premiering, and so there was like a big covert interruption of making the season and so like I just feel like. For. Me Fargo needs like three more spins through the wash in order to like you know tighten it up to where like Fargo season one was I, feel like Fargo is a show you know as an anthology shows I mean it's just gotten lake looser and wilder as it's going on and there's virtues to that. Especially, I mean our guest this week Jessie Buckley. Actually love her on the show I. She's incredible. What she's doing is amazing. It's like physical transformation without like makeup. It's still like bodywork physical transformation, but she's on a quirk level that I find really enjoyable. But then like sort of a lot of the people in the cast appear to be like meeting her on that court level on it's like it doesn't feel calibrated as maybe past seasons of Fargo felt in terms of like balancing the oddball performances with a human story at the center that you feel like you can get swept up in. So that's my take on Fargo before it is an incredible gas Chris. Rock and Chris Rock is great i. mean he's he's sort of like kind of the straight man in the center of everything. But like he's he's great Schwartzman Jason Schwartzman who I, love and a lot of other projects. One of the people that I could turn down an honor to my boy Ben wishes here you know and a lot of like a fun character actor faces. You know that that you exactly what you want to see in a Fargo but it just feels it feels a little overstuffed to me in a in the way that lake later Legion also felt Richard Uni any thoughts? Well I. Think First of all, it's a coup that you got him credited in the opening credits as Joanna's boy. Which I thought that was shaded that long. That's well-done. I I think I've defended the Fargo series longer than some people have I even like the most recent season with you and McGregor that was the most recent season yeah. And I think a lot of people have sort of soured on it. I mean because the first one to are really good this one, it feels like basically what you said sort of hampered by its ambition and by its creators over extension of himself but as is true of any Fargo it does at least contain really interesting performances. I don't always interesting good in that in this case but. But it's an odd assemblage of actors I mean who would have guessed that Chris Rock, and Ben wishaw and Jason Schwartzman. All like in a period gangster story together. It's so fricking weird but but. You know there's kind of that's up to that and it looks great. It's like a high end production. You know so so yeah, I mean I think it's definitely worth checking out and you know not just because we have her Interview with Joanna but like but like it's really continually exciting to watch Jesse badly star just kind of like shoot into the stratosphere absolute end to do such a different role from thinking of things to do for. That was so different from wild rose like she just keeps showing us these facets of her talent at like barely thirty and I think that's really really exciting. She told me that she got she. She got the ending things role because of her Fargo screen tests like that. They love it and saw it and I can kind of see the bridge between the two in terms of like amid westernise as obviously like dialed up to like a frenzy in Fargo but. That and then also I talked to her about this UK film misbehavior which just hit vod in the states last week, and it's about this women's rights protests of the Nineteen Seventy Miss, world pageant a real life event that I was unaware of. But it's got a great cast got. Fons Greg Kinnear doing a bob hope impression Google. The Rod is just like it's one of those like very kind of cozy British movies about a real life events that you're glad to have watched and she's great in it and you know she's just she just has an energy and like the fact that she can calibrate that energy into different tones and moods in her various projects like that's our versity but no matter what she's doing. For, me watching Jessie Buckley like I sh- I can never take my eyes off of her I. Think She's just incredible. So now she's in Judy how crazy though She's Very, lovely small supporting role. Judy I guess I had seen noble right before that and I was like. She's everywhere. She's right now she she spoke to us from Greece where she's been a two week quarantine I think it's just about wrapping up now because she's about to start filming on Magilla story all debut, and this has an incredible casts You know Peter SARS guard contractually obliged to being all Maggie Jalen Hill films. Sure. But also Dakota Johnson, Olivia Colman and Paul Meskel and Jessie Buckley in Greece. Greece with those people, right. In Greece come A-. So yeah. So I'm ready to call this. Jessie Buckley fall between the things in Fargo and nothing. Ever. So let should we do the interview kickoff Jesse Bucky Fall Obviously starts with my interviews. Let it begin. Let's do it. Uh. We are thrilled beyond to have the podcast at the Great Jessie. Buckley. Star of wild rose of Fargo season four of I'm thinking of ending things and also of this great British film that just hit streaming stateside misbehavior that I hope you all check out the lovely Jesse Buckley's here. Jesse the last time I saw your face with my face was at south by South West the film festival for Wild Rose, and you performed a set on the stage and I was just like dazzling mesmerized by your singing and I've been such an avid fan ever since. So I'm. So I'm so happy to talk to you today. Some. I'm just curious. What's the wildest thing that's happened to you since last I saw your face with my face. Go. I don't know. I. Think I two cigarettes would broad Nearly at NYC because I was released vogue and it was all very. Very. Much and he was lovely. anyways that's probably the most embarrassing. The wild things that happened to me I think I was just having one to deal with the situation and was probably had drunk too much. and John One glass of wine to quickly and was having a cigarette in quick succession and inhaling quite quickly. And I was like Oh my God. And then he came out and he uses shot and you know he was just chapters Anyway I. Just feel like I feel like of even tell you this book. It came out my mouth. So there we go. He's just so lovely and you're just having pizza and you know it was somebody's book anyway? That's a perfect what my wildest thing that has happened to me this past year story pizza is out with Brad Pitt. See this really enviable sort of double slate this fall triple sleet. If you count misbehavior of the Charlie, Kaufman Project I'm the anything's and you're you're seeing stealing work in Fargo season four and I'm wondering you know when you play these two characters who are very different but both very heightened. In their mannerisms and in their in their existence, you know how how do you approach that as opposed to some of the other more Would you say like naturalistic roles that you've done? I. Guess they're both heightened world. So that requires you to you know you're not doing a Ken loach film or something it's. Eight requires you to expand. And in a different way and And for some reason that just both they kind of came out with this same time and actually I ended up doing Fargo Getting Fargo Fargo came my way when I was shooting I'm thinking vending things and I think they'd seen my tape for I'm thinking of ending things. So that's how that happened and then on set with Jesse and David and he was like I should I do and they're like, definitely, you're going to have so much fun. So, yeah, it's been fun. It's so formed like. I love all kinds of cinema I think humans and characters. Are Heightened. You know they're bold and and when you get to be part of a world, which like tells you to go to the extremities of where that might live. It's so fun free phone but you know the Coen brothers have really like heightened tone and like world where all their characters live in that and yet there are also people that you also recognize in a way and an Charlie's foams are. surrealist art pieces, but you also recognize the emotions of that even though there are taking place in a heightened circumstance. One aspect of your Fargo performance completely fascinating is this sort of is the physicality the walk for this character of your the way, your whole body changes from what I've seen you do in other productions and I'm wondering if you talk about how you put that physical performance together. Yeah that just came out of Venosa. I I think when I read her in my head when my first instinct over was like she was a female grim reaper. And then I just I just told she was like kind of Birdie in my head. You know there's something birdie and who's on the Ron. and. Yet she I guess just where my mind was being drawn to her like things like like something quite birdie and edith fee and and just like that. She was a bit of a creature. You know she didn't belong on human soil she was half the afterlife and half in real life and. I think that just came out. I don't know what happened. One thing that I love learning about you and I started doing some research for this is that year career was already on Like an upward trajectory and you went to the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art rata like after you had already, you know achieved some great heights and so I'm wondering you know what was that Decision Lake for you? Why did you decide to go back to school at that point in your career I guess just a chance to quietly nurture I thought I might be able to offering to. Industry and and a family that really cared vote which was you need to me to take that time to discover her and ask questions and push boundaries of even the stuff that I was being presented within school. And to make speak uniquely from my voice and also be a bit naughty and get drunk in the pub on Friday nights. Always, very important. That's probably the most important. Sounds like you had your priorities exactly right. One of my favorites is in I'm thinking inventing things you get to do so much in this film in terms of slipping in and out of various personas. But my favorite thing that you do in this movie you know which is currently streaming on Netflix folks haven't watched it incredible multifaceted performance from Jessie? Buckley. But my favorite part is when useless into this Pauline Kale section the film critic, Pauline Kelly sort of adopt persona as acting film in the car. So I'm just wondering what your approaches or something like that when you're going to not just discover or explores the different for your character but to. Slip into an imitation of sorts of of another person I think it just Kinda came off the script really I didn't know who putting walls before. I. Read the script. And then I was like working on dialect and. Even the dialect for that woman it was never something you know rooted in place because there is no place that she comes from. And I and something that meeting charity you know from our very first interaction was that this is somebody who shape shifts and. Molecular and explodes then embodies other things but she has she's not controlling it to something which is also Coming from Jay and I'm his memories are, and so I think just. I just started watching Paulina Kale. And then probably someday on my bike started speaking like. Listening to wife headphones joined to copy your voice. That kind of thing came up It was fun and then we got into the car like it just took on its own. Thing just Jesse was slightly but terrified he was I. Oh, God here comes a weird British lady. I don't. Think, you kind of fear of some haunting. Her something like the episode. Because character that you're playing and I'm thinking of ending things is so largely, you know a concoction of the male protagonist played by Jesse Plans Jake it's it's sort of a result of his own imaginings because that's true when you're creating this character when you're shifting her personas all over the map in this film. Do you work in concert with Jesse, plans to do to create something like that is that much more of a collaborative process than it would be recruiting character on your own kind of although I guess the thing is is like I can't play the I don't exist because you exist as you are in each moment. So each moment was its own reality and then you know seconds of film that changes in itself. So something which is constantly like expanding bobbling house and and I guess the script as a film goes on maybe there's an awareness of what might be happening and kind of falling down in avalanche of things and not being able to get out. So yeah. We kind of discussed but I think we just played the scenes as if they were real that we're like that in real life like you know, we have a weird phone voice when the tank Coles or some. Thousand then knew the voice unit, there's all we're always adopting are so to the circumstance that we're living in that moment and and we're not even aware of this that's the thing and when you're in a situation where actually that becomes dangerous precarious in there's something about your own survival instinct which probably kicks in to try and you become alert you know when? That happens quickly something that he then your your life is then on the line and you're you're trying to survive. So. As watching misbehavior, which just became available here in the states and this is the film you made with an incredible cast cure nightly. By the RAW Keeley Hawes REC- fons like all all my faves. Greg kinnear doing a bonkers, Bob hope impression all sorts of you please this real life women's rights activist named Joe Robinson, which is really fun because that's my name. But this life woman who was part of this protest around the miserable pageant nineteen seventy and this this protest sort of helped spark the women's rights movement at least in the UK. I'm wondering when you play Job Robinson or when you play like Ludmila from. These women who are still alive and around what pressures in wet and what delights comes with doing something like that. That's a whole other bucket of joy because. You know it's something very tangible. I can never be that person, but you're trying to understand what their view of the world is from where they've stood. And is gorgeous like the mazing women have crossed my heart and left really important lessons on my life for me you. And when you get the chance to meet the more, you know meet them on the page or meet them in person or watch things about them. It's it's both incredibly powerful and also very humbling and you you you just realized how can I swear? How fucking coup people are. You know like. The things that people area to overcome or achieve or change in the world is incredible. You know and I feel really lucky that these women have evolved that they've. Inspired me to not limit myself I don't know who I am or what I might be able to be but I feel lucky that these women have inspired. Something powerful. So. You let me know before we started recording that you are in Greece right now quarantining that you can start work on a new project you're working on the lost daughter, which is Maggie Jilin, halls feature film director, Oriel debut, and then once again, you're just working with a cast of all of my favorites including Olivia Colman, Paul Meskel of normal people and Peterson Guard says. Based on an anti book I'm just really really really excited for this project I'm wondering you know specifically about it. I mean I don't know how much you can tell me about it or whatever. But something I'm really specifically interested in is this idea of working with a director who's also an actress and if you've had any conversations with Maggie so far and how if at all do they differ from talking to like a Charlie Kaufman or you know a no holly or someone else on a different project? Honestly I just think Maggie is going to be phenomenal i. just think she's going she I just think she's a leader. Yeah. I just think she's going to be fantastic like collaborative leader and she understands both sides of the camera. And? Feel incredibly safe going on this journey with her and I also just think she's a real kick ass woman. And with this material, I can't think of anybody better to go on this with a truly account I can't wait to get going with her. So yeah. I feel like she's being she'll have be able to have an empathy. For all the parts of this while also like. For some reason, this story has come her way and she has the need to tell the story and story about motherhood and. Womanhood and life. And Rebirth for a reason and has wanted to do that by being somebody who's like curation at. And I think she's going to kick us thinks she's going to be amazing. I'm somewhat notorious almost podcasts maybe only in my own mind for turning any conversation into a discussion of musicals. That is my superpower as an interviewer, it is not at all difficult to get there with you. You have a musical background you appeared in a little night music on the stage. So you know you've got the chops. We know we've seen it in wild rose if we didn't get to chance to see on the stage and wondering, is there a musical that you have in your mind the you and most like to do if you were asked to do another singing role in film? I really love like, I love like the dirty German. Era. I like Cabaret Kurt Vile I. Love Kurt Vile stuff. I. Think it's so nyc just delicious naughty in dark. So yeah I probably drawn to that kind of stuff. Okay. So I'll be counting down the days for Jessie Buckley Stars in threepenny opera. There's something like that. Is it true that when you're in school and like when you were much younger in in in student theater that you were often cast in in the male roles in in your student production? What was going on was that is an all in an all girls conference coup and I actually remember like the first 'cause it soaks. It's very it's quite a momentous moment when you get to the shows and school in the school that I was in and they do amazing shows this woman Kameri Buckler who's the teacher there is just was just fantastic and one of the biggest kind of. Inspirations for me really. But yeah, I think the first year the are auditioned I think it was west side owner. No, it was chess. and. I wanted to be the girl and I think be the girl and I was I, was heartbroken is my first rejection I think I like cry? But then it was so great and I and actually how to define the girls from the boys. We all older men had just French platz like to French platz quite boxy musty red suits like I had this excellent way too boxy Red Zeus, and for some reason, his what they used to put like red dots on the corner of in the middle of our is that we didn't look cross eyed to the audience. I don't know if this is a true thing or not. That actually happens that Yuna cross-eyed if you don't have red dots on the inside of I've never done this anywhere else in my life for. So we all had red dots on the inside of our is boxy red seats and PLATTS SIA Freddie trumper chests than I think it was Jesus or something in the next one and then I. Was Tony West side story my last one. Involve very funny. I don't know if you think of it this way but I I've just I've been sort of dazzled by everything I've read about what you've done leading up to now now is just like Jessie Buckley Jessie Buckley fast and furious but there was so much road that led up to it and I don't know if you think about that in terms of the before time the before I achieved this level of success or famer. Work or whatever but I'm curious if if you if you do think of it that way if there is something you did that you got up to in the before time that best prepared you for for what you're facing now, which is just a lot of you know work attention I don't really feel like it was a life before I've always worked you know like I moved to London when I was seventeen and I've loved every single part. When I was seventeen are couldn't believe this but I couldn't believe that it actually happened. And then there was times when it didn't happen but a kind of just loved that as well. I always found something like. I ended up singing jazz in around London. That was like its own little experience, my life and singing these clubs were nobody was listening to me and. I felt like, I. was Kinda. Barbra streisand in the sixties. And then equally in between things I would sell cereal in markets in London and I liked Dash, I, don't know I. Guess I'm grateful for all the parts because I think if I have to tell something human I, have to have lived humanly as well and I'm not interested in the veneer la I'm interested in like human you know accomp- odd the things and all the journeys, all the chapters, and I have so many chapters that I'm yet to go on and. You know who knows I might in my go away tomorrow so That be fine I'll figure out. Well, Ans- is next it's all movements. Of Very Song time ending and and you always have quarantine Greece's a moment. So there's that Well, thank you so much Jessie. Buckley for for chatting me. I really really appreciate it. I always have quarantine. Greece. I hope now. Oh God. I'm glad I'm glad you met your fellow Joe Robinson. She can I say she is also kick ass like she's the kind of woman. She's she's got purple hair and she wears biker boots I was like you are my hero. And she's just rocket she's January rock and roll. So yeah. Yeah I saw the photo for I. Think it was in the Guardian and she's got like pink purple hair and I thought yeah that's that's goals. That's the that's the Joe Robinson I aim to be. That is what I will be shooting for my life. She became A maternity nurse, which is just such an. Yeah Midway so gorgeous. Anyway. Your namesake is. I have a good one. That doesn't for this big show. We'll be back next week. Please find us on a Vanity Fair Dot com win of Richard's reviews of many great things in Toronto screenwriting and things for me. Once in a while to you can find us on twitter at little Goldman and on our own Katie rich and Joanna jared this and Richard Rilo. This week's episode was edited and produced by Brett Fuchs, and this award for the best reason that new mutants won't be winning. Any Oscar is Costa Richard Lawson. The academy's new rules and they don't trolls aren't included anymore.
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That's kind of an elegant king thing which for a lot of New People that have have come that are actually new to the community. They've said you know. This type of event makes kink a little less scary for us. Not The scary dungeon and people and Leather and shiny black staff which I happened by way. But you know for some newbies, it's a little intimidating and so they say when we can come here addressed in regular clothing and everyone's dress kind of normally a little bit. It's a little less intimidating less scary and then once our social hours over and everything changes and we go into high protocol, the boys all are required stripped down. Everything changes. So stripped down, take off their tires they're required to strip down to their underwear or be naked since we've moved to the lair. We now have the big main room at the layer is the is the high protocol room. So in that room, boys cannot work clothing at all. They have to be wearing a collar be naked They can wear underwear and they're they're not allowed to sit on the furniture they're only allowed to sit on the floor. There's no talking in they're only seeing. So that room is high protocol the rest of the club if they're new and they're not quite sure if they want to be naked, they can hang out anywhere else in the club they want typically I hear. So many of the guys say you know I thought when I came here I wasn't going to want to get naked I was so terrified of that. But all the other guys are so comfortable that made me comfortable and they quickly ended up taking their clothes off to the I would say ninety nine percent of the guys are naked by the end of the night. How you could see people transform just by you being so comfortable with whatever it is that you're doing that I mean that's really you know that really is some Really looking for really is. Someplace to be comfortable with someplace to be secure in their elements in you know in their. Purity right exactly and their purest form. Exactly. What's the because there are no Mel Dems allowed it's made a really big difference. So the guys telling me this, it's made a big difference for them because they don't feel judged by any other guys in the room they're all on the same level they're on the same plane. They're all there for the same reason and they feel less judge. Oh, here's a little CBT Scranton. Can't show the facebook camera. CBT's one of my specialties in. To a lot of the women there in the very back room at the lair. Now, we have a teaching area. So for new domes that come in that WANNA learn. Any of the toys or any of the things that we do. Then there's other women that come in there to teach them. So yeah. What would you care to demonstrate on? Our, submissive boy here. We worst should be submissive. Never submissive in any other situation. You. GotTa break a good. He's. He's really really. In trouble, let's put it this way. These issues. Okay. You know he's he's abused a lot of women actually I think you should sit next to me to. You know kind of abuse him back I want your special reason that you were discusses four the show. That you really should punish. I have to confess I. Quote. We also have. To wait before you get in. She already spilled the beans. She voted for trump. Okay. We'll show the trump can later. They voted for trump and he's been a huge disappointment. Let me tell you in all honesty is not the Mantha was and what did you think he is you know I thought he was going to be the change I what? Are you looking for I thought that he was going to be the one that would change. The way government is run because but change to y always thought. Should be run like a business and it's not run like a business failed. Actually government is a public entity. Handling our money it shit somebody should be running A. Business. Not GonNa. Give them to trump. All his butcher's well. Argue politics. Nash Axis is very passionate. People but she she is going to make up for her. Appointment huge disappointment. So it's disappointing. This is what we keep in his mouth we keep. We. Do we have my tools of the trade. Yes, we do actually. Specialties and All about the cock and but I have someone move my music stand by some chance just a little bit over there. Great. Thank you. Miss Gypsy don't trip over your train. Dear. You Go. Graceful. That's because she. Okay. So this is actual CBT Material it's it's like. Okay, so he's Gypsy maybe you can hold her microphone near her so she can use both hands for her maccarone cock. And Ball. Torture on. Our most guys could use devil trump earn but trump. Obviously has an issue here. And he's not going to be crying a lot of yarn. Did you because he had small hands like you knew that before you voted for him so did you you didn't know. Out and About this you'd think I would have voted for a guy with such a small penis. Are you kidding me? Wow. Okay. I thought everybody knew about the small. You're not hung. Anyway. People are learning their lessons actually that gives me hope when I hear I normally. A trump supporter. Is is is repenting a trump supporter is repenting. Dental floss. This is. Because he's so tiny. Crossover since he does have balls, we tried to use some Yar. For the cat you know, trump? Yeah. Another theme of of our kink month is the pussies revenge Zhou right she's GonNa grab them the pussies. Are. Grabbing. It's maybe. One Bite. Eating. It right. That's what we call catnip. But I'm boomer. You know this is what we call trump clips therapy and it's a little silly and you know we do this. Because we feel so helpless have this been. Pretty. Good right. It is good to make. That's the positive in this negative situation. The positive is we have a trump's to beat up. Well we do. But we. Way. Spanked the calls, right Point would you spank him with the Bonobo way for me please? Yes. My book because he's very unbeknown Abo- it's the Boba trump you the trump. So disappointed. Now, you have to wear my stream. For the rest of your term, don't take this advocate. Okay. could rot off because. He'll probably. Coming out there maybe you could say something to Donald Trump ing that you were a supportive because I imagine that you were supporting him through his entire campaign not just the last minute, right? So if you say something to Donald. Trump what what would it really be? I would say that. You're not the person that most of us probably thought you were that every time you open your mouth, you embarrass us and our country. Right, thank you for that. Well, thank you for your confession and your your change in your own heart you again. Okay. Good that does give me hope because it means that it's not just all about preaching to the choir. Some people are absolutely changing and and we have to recognize I. still don't understand what kind of change you wanted a businessman to be in charge. Can we now all agree that a failed businessman is not the best person to be in charge also failed? And you know the other thing too I hear people say that a lot that they want it run like a business and I I wonder if the people that that have ever run a business because right country should be run like a business has won in charge and everyone through you and all about making money. Exactly that's that's the. Or property government is us. And not selling my fortunately. Unfortunate. Business. But I didn't realize what a dictator he wasn't his personal business I like your choice of words. Tiny little dictator little dictator. Who We all got excited over that. Two Seconds No but you know he shouldn't should be shamed. Now did you know about the pussy grabbing when you voted for him? You didn't know about the push. When when you did hear the tape, what did you? How was your reaction to that? Because eventually you heard it right? You heard the dialogue. I did you read the to read what he said in full context? No you must be very busy. Wow. I. Mean that I thought it was a reaction to it now. That you saw that Pussy grabbing think it's excusable I. I don't think that's ever excusable at all. You, know I think that in his campaign and even before that because obviously he'd been gearing up to run for president that a lot of things were hidden I. Think as people started to bring things out he quickly squelched them. As I've now seen him do with people in the White House when they try to speak up to him and say, Hey, he's all you're fired. That seems to be his biggest sentence while he's doing. Business. He's acting like. The government is a business that was what made him a star That is that is literally show. That's right. You watched his show. Have you watched? Much, no, I don't watch those kind of shows. So you just. Liked him better than The. Look why certainly wasn't going to vote for Hillary sorry guys. I know people WANNA shoot darts. It'd be now that I've. Information people people think that we can exchange right? That's one thing that I learned after this election that you know just exchanging information is helping people understand where we stand the where we come from and how we feel and you know if it's information that you've really followed up on, you've investigated it's easy. You don't have to say you know how you feel and what you think. You could just provide the information. Have People look at intuit on Themselves and make a decision for themselves. I can't imagine that he would give voted in for a second term because you see his actions now you ain't get to see that before you see what he'll away two seconds now but you didn't pay attention before still a lot of other people aren't paying attention our just like you did you didn't watch that tasted for there's more so we can't just go. He's not GonNa win we have to make sure We move ahead and for me, it's not just about the trump gin. It's also the pen skin pence the warlock back. That's why our buttons now say remove. Trump and pence because we got you know I hate to say take our country back since that's they say, no, these guys these guys are nationalist. People don't want to understand the not Republicans the not socialist. Nationalist. And if you just look back a little bit in history, you find out who the nationalists are their names like Cellini. Hitler they had great ideas. spoi-. Did they have good ideas? Well, fuck that these people are nationalist and that's what we have to understand. Takeover so Halloween about being scared so we should be scared. This. Kind of scared this is the kind of scared that you have to be very serious about and vote in the right people and you know try to do it. We can before our whole environment burns up in a nuclear holocaust and so yeah. But there are other kinds of fear that are fun. Many he kinds. Can is so an alligator is kind of scary alligators are very scary. Yeah. Would you like to see me tame this alligator I would I would like to see how you do. Right. We're going to have to take off his hat because I don't know if he can being right. That's Human. Hat. To, be an alligator. Let me know when you're ready in alligator mode by being on all fours. Getting. Mode. I captured this beast. Like your stockings. Thank you. Yeah very sexy. He likes the garters. Turnaround. Easy now. Easy easy. Turnaround. Turnaround. Don't you bite anybody I'll eat you to. Backup does. have. Big Teeth backup. Good boy. Now. I'm going to have to put my microphone down because I need two hands he doesn't understand. So if you'll just hold on one second. I'm going to see if we can get him to. His big gaping mouth for me. I'm usually very good at getting boys open their mouths for. Open up up that mouth. Bless it. I don't think kill like that. Are you ready? Open Up. Good war good Roy. Take. It easy. Take it easy. Now Rollover, that's what you say to analogy take it easy. Good. Good boy. At Take it easy. You're getting sleepy. People really do hypnotize alligators. SANAL really wow. On his back. Rub It's nothing. To do with the dog actually that you heard barking before is that is that the same? She likes that they like that. Animals including humans actually all like to be briefed on her nice and tame his now. It's almost like he's a gentleman. Never vote time. The ever goes to a wick. Occasion you know those they separate. I would love to come to a wick. I host. A meeting once a month. That's called FEM mcreavy where a female supremacists support group and Matriarchal Support Group for each other. A bunch of women come together and. We use men as furniture. All right and we talk politics. So Andre Furniture. So he's not furniture he. Living? Yes. Well, he lives there in the house so we don't make furniture out of him being. Home. Yeah because I host them. So Smith host let me know if you need a like big couch or something. So. He brings my drinks and help see make sure everybody gets in in and out so that I could focus on the politics he's doorman. Unofficial King of the subs when I'm there. He makes sure all the men are okay. Because none of us are paying attention to them. You arrange the furniture I mean does. Together, answer the doors, the phone human furniture to arrange the human. Oh I kinda if I have to tell them, move up taking a photo on your ass be pointing towards the camera instead. Of Business. Yeah he's he's make sure that we get good money shots. I just saw a ghost who Know? WHO that white faces. For. This groom. Just knocks things. Over All right if. I lose my head. It's fine. It's just a hat I'll get it back. Right. So what are your other specialties? Caning caning. Did you bring a cane I? Didn't bring any toys? No. No. You could play what I had. No idea your homework. You know here's a cane, but I don't know if we have somebody for you to came. I, actually do a class on. Primal keeney primal caning yet remain Primeau canings. It's for couples and everybody brings them Sasha table, and we all came in rhythm together to certain music. So I, talk them through it. I teach the caning and then I talked them through it. We start out with the warm up and then we just get into stink altogether, and then by the end of it, it lasted about an hour by the end. You're actually really hitting really hard are taken a pretty good and then at the end, we all just have giant group. Orgasm The adrenaline from the music makes it easier for them to withstand the pain because sort of in a rhythm. I think it might help a little bit. All linked together like that how do you have a giant group orgasm because all of the adrenaline from the sides and all the tops getting the energy altogether by the time you've done it for an hour just all. Of that journey together really feels like an organ I mean what are you guys do to have the orgasm? It's not at like a designator orgasm. It s we all agree when we're done that. We all feel like we all. Go because it's such an energy raising play. So it's orgasmic career gas. The rest of an orgasm just standing there. I. Can have orgasms without this vibrating broom as bad. People. Yeah so that's pretty. Space and I get to that point where I'm at the peak of it I literally can have orgasms. That's fantastic. For me. What do you do squeeze and release your muscles? nope. It just happens. It just happens if you don't do anything, it's all mental. Wow Okay. So have a mental one. What would you do to have a mental orgasm right now? What would give you one? What happened instantaneously usually takes about an hour play. They get in that really heavy top speed what the vibrator does it get going. Less time people in the clubs have actually learned to recognize when I'm having one really like she goes and. How long have you been doing this with this? This wick it's called yeah wicked. About six years it's a members only club because we do have sex. We want to do the only when you that elements of members. That's that's when you do those sorts of things. Right gives you liberty to be able to do all those things. If people can't pay like walk in off the street and paid to be there Ya, then you can end its members only then you can have the sex, but if anyone can walk in off the street and pay many to be there, you can't do. Isn't it amazing the stipulations? What makes it because it has to qualify as a group Be Private. Private members only is the key. West to. Host Club at gmail.com to be able to become a member. And then they get put on the list to receive the invites. So. it's not The date is not the same every meeting. It's the third Friday Day of every third Friday of every moments. Fantastic. Good Steve before our. Meeting. There, every Saturday. Every month. Yeah So we also have another. Course like if I wanted to be, it's forty dollars for gentlemen for each party. Twenty eight years ago much what twenty the ladies forty for the gentleman Kennedy I'm I would be this. Cater it. We cater it, Mike Water and Sodas are free. We do have a little bar. So. It's pretty cool. What have you got that Dr Suzie? I have. Kind of. Souvenirs. The season he's finding. Yeah these are. gourds really, and we've been playing with gourds quite a bit gorge on the cell. Pleading Myself Now. Yeah. Well, you know I have when I was growing up gourds didn't look like this. Are these Gore's grown especially just for you I would say, so I haven't feeling Joe Sills. Trading, Joe. You know customers that need you know Gorz. And and these gourds are obviously very phallic and they talked area. Yeah I mean they're scipion rewards. Brother. This is the big brother. And the little brother and you make them, Kiss. Kiss. Now, yeah Oh, it's from rents really trumpet. Pants. Yeah I wouldn't say Hillary is either one of these. Now Yeah She's out of the picture. Sorry. What you think she has a big Dick bigger than trump's. Probably She's probably I say she's GonNa beat on ball. Would you like to play with one of my words? You took the big ones swimming moments closer. Yeah, right. Okay. Okay. No no I mean I'm good with the little one. It makes me look bigger. You've got these big beautiful boobs there that that must love. Yeah. I'll hold your microphone. So you're giving that a lot of love. Actually Saif, she's a an aspect domination, the dummy mommy. Mommy Mommy Mommy. Mistress. Nine. Mistress. Smile mom. Really. We actually filmed a reality thing called Mr Mom. ADORABLE ELLEN SO I'll hold the microphone and be mistress bond to my gourd. You can talk to him. What's his name Gordy? That's that's Gordon. Oh. Gardy. Life, you must have your Gordy. Amazing Safe Fun plays. I'm talking about the BOOBS. So is. Bill but especially. Right, this is what they call coit Assem Amelia. Yes You Hope. Good when you make the Michael Way and That's the name of what what did you say Gordon Coli Melia that's the type of. because. I think it's cooking now. Yes it's definitely hitting. Go. What a disappointment Can we put the Gordon the hordes mouth? Can we put what do? In. Pumpkin Trunk Oh. Gordon. We can have trump. Sucking. Up. Can we. Act Can happen. Smell, like that. I mean you know he's GonNa. Say this. Is what our our trump get is good for. I didn't know he was so. Words. Can Deep. Throat. These all the time he'd be a better president. That is true. I think. This former trump voter. would be well. Yeah. Actually. This is what his big mouth is good for now we know. We we didn't know why. Why we had a president was such a big bounce it's to. Suck gourds for Halloween I'll look it's perfect. It's. It does look like. Trump. Ken. Does he does. He loves it. Why not just Gordon Gore. Just vegetable play. With and actually we're not putting vegetable in any worse. No. Real. We're making. Died, India this one he takes the whole does. To the ball most gets the balls go. Maybe, trump is talented journey. We discover his talent here on the. Show. Sorry I mean everybody's got something they're good at. And he's certainly not good at running the country. I mean divorce can't be the only good at. South gotta be something else while he's good at second gourds really fear that he's got you. Love to. I do fear that. Well, That's realistic fear Harry realistic. Well. All right. What are you afraid that he's going to be sending my son to war Well, you know is your son enlisted. He's now in the reserves as well. You know what? He could say. Knows what he was get signed. Up for it. How do you like that mom? Saying such a thing to a widow. That was context. Well, I wasn't there. So against right right right? Okay. I respect that you know I feel like. You know there's a Lotta time to make judgments about conversations that doesn't mean that he wasn't that it didn't happen but you know I think that you know I appreciate that you said you weren't there. You don't really know exactly what happened. Well, let's put it this judge when I I. got a reputation right. That's the answer. All of General Kelly went on the record to try to defend trump and what he said was really horrendous, which is that the congresswoman who was a friend of the couple and the guy. That she was an empty barrel. And all hat speaking of hats and no cattle. And That he longed for a time when women were treated as sacred and I honestly don't think he meant like Fem dom goddess. So I think he meant like doing the laundry. And their plan which is. Yes and we have enough things that we've heard him say that we don't have use arguments about things that we didn't hear him say. Our arguments I think. It's really important that our arguments be strong and that our arguments have be able to backup. When we start talking about things that nobody was there to witness the you know it's you're wasting your energy on. That we've seen we need to get rid of these nationalists that have taken over the country. People don't get it. These guys are capitalist motherfuckers with billions of dollars that are killing people around the world. For Bucks and we're the fucking slaves. That's that's who nationalists are. Not Socialist. All right so everyone should get a vibrating. Dill onic magical. So make one of those next year right for ness year. It's not this year. I you want to get one of these because you know it's inspired by Mattel's. To thousand, which they put out a few years ago as a Harry Potter Toy. And it was for the kids but the kids were spending too much time in their rooms and mom and dad just said. Hey Sally you shouldn't be spending so much time riding your vibrating broom. But Mommy I love my vibrating broom well, yeah. So they recalled all those vibrating loops and maybe they should maybe they weren't really made for eight year olds but I don't see what's wrong with adults. You know whatever happened to Halloween being celebrated for adults hey, and we get our magic dill. vibrating brew. which is available on. The Dr Susan Block shopping. Heaven. That's right and it's a little high priced right now because we are still waiting to hear from the factory in China that's going to mass produce. Thumbs. But right now we make them cautious. For you. Know Novellas Fund. So I, liked it. There's something for the woman. Will for the writer? got. Anybody could ride or The woman could be and actually guys sometimes. Falls something for everyone. So apparently, the reason there is. You know. Image of which is writing brooms is because women used to take broomsticks and rub like herbs and things on it that would stimulate them and they used the brooms to masturbate with, and so they'd have these incredible long orgasms in a time when women were really supposed to sex. So wow, having these orgasms because they were masturbating with these brooms everybody said, well, they must have been which is. Like sex now. Only. Bad. Woman would like sex. How battle? That's the origin. Switches Donna on us with the first doctors. Yes. Guys came along. Cut You up. They were very ECO sexual. They were witches for being Bella Donna. and. Probably grew marijuana. To be they probably they probably grew marijuana. You know I wish I knew what herbs were rubbing on their broom. Right, they sure why that secret give him well, probably. I mean it was so silly too because I never understood that I never understood and historically when you know men for whatever reason, we're not happy when women enjoyed sex don't you know that's when you get more examing. Worry is this is the whole history of oppression and repression and harassment is partly for the the pleasure of the man. But also partly for the pain of the woman or the victim whether it's a woman or a man or you know it's it's not Bonobo. What's no-go is to share pleasure and to make sure your partner enjoys pleasure goods and share goods and services round services absolutely speaking of goods and services I wanNA give out a little shoutout to Canada belly which does make A. Herbal? Product. Cannabis and coconut oil that actually does get your pussy high. ooh. That sounds and where do we get this? Well, you get it for that photographer over there. So. It is a judge sleep project that I need, but you know I'd product. But. We don't need. Hell we all. Some. Women do definitely need help with orgasms. Absolutely, Stone Volvo what you want. The Stone Vulva right it's seven stone Volvo because then it's hungry, right? It opens up. Through. The combination on drugs cannabis coconut oil really is. Wonderful because you know coconut oil I mean it's just what a texture. Yeah. But don't use it with condoms. Okay. No condoms. and. That's because oil and latex don't work. Melts. Doesn't know can't use oil as lubricant with conduct to do. Know How much time do we have you WanNa take a break. I, don't know. Eight minutes really how `bout take no, we shouldn't take a break. Okay. Then I'm going to have to. Think what to do okay. So we have. Dick fight likes. The Dick Fight that was happening earlier and if that wasn't on the show. I'm going to step aside. Eight minutes shrink got. League guys have Dick while trying to get this thing working careful. Mortgage. Like I'm girth in year Oh wavelength. But I have balls and you don't. I don't have any balls. On on top but so do. You got two cents. I was having a talk with my dude, do balls matter like in two girls I? Don't. To me, I mean, you know it matters because. Without them they can't have orgasms and then the sex would be weird. You know what's Other than the biology of what they contribute to but I don't. Just fine. I don't have any balls. Taking any bets skying. Usually usually. The measure. I say you know. It doesn't matter. Because my Dick vibrates. But. I lost my hat. Thank you. Thank you alligator. Years this vibrating, who's look. A little fuzzy. But that's okay Israel. Harry Shave. But usually go hair on your tip. Thirty visibility boys that we are. Alligator, could you fix by had again, please. To have an alligator valet. As well, trained I even gave him a thumbs. What thumbs alligators they don't have. Thumbs. So I gave them. Thumbs. Oh good. is He's involved altogether. You don't believe in evolution. Comfort. In. Having Hugo. Smack, in Weiner. Dog Guys. Reminds. Me Of why we invented the magic deal Donald vibrating throughout to Susan. Photo what photo? Shortage of the sausage photo. Okay I don't know if. I can see it. Max is just trying to show us some different representations. Acid with the Dick in the middle of the songs connect with our. I'm getting a little floppies certain. We go there goes that Oh they're vibrating. Directly. Directly to be naughty you these are probably the these ideas on naughty could even show this on facebook. Meeting, or Gary wholesome. This is this is fantastic. I'm getting vibration off of five suzy's does that mean? Dr. Seuss's playing with me. Yes. That's exactly what I mean. I play. Vibrate. So Freud, I do eighteen assembly, but it's okay because we have brooms with Dixon the end, but we also how to share I. Guess we do know how to. Share but that's okay. US growth for you. I wish this is how boys played under Susie wins I feel like me and Martin. Kind of Bang Very. This is this is a strong dick and we're like. With if this is how boys played, I hang out with boys much more all. Right boys men excuse me not boys I don't WanNa see boys playing with their dicks, men men, I'll. Anytime. Anytime from. Thank you for playing with me. Thank you for that. That was fun that was herbal Dick Dual. All So how much time do we have? Five we have time for. Three minutes playing Renar Cox. noblesville commute yeah. You know about the Nobel peace communion. No. Well. Perhaps. We should demonstrate. So let's see. I did you roll up with any religion in particular? What religion did you grow up with? Basic Christianity Basic Christianity. Sort of Basic Christian. Did Community that sort of thing you did that you had some wine or grape juice grape. Little cracker. Okay. Can we turn this elevator music down? Please I always thought it was weird that we were eating Jesus. Yeah I. Didn't get it. Oh. You know when you're a kid, you don't get that. Yeah, I think with little weird. Could be the best part exactly see. That's why people are so messed up. Why because they spend their childhoods eaten. Jesus. When you're a kid and you're in church and you're told you're eating the body of Christ and you're like what? I think we have a problem with them dying on the cross more. I mean I I. Don't know I love the whole idea. Of communion. And the ritual no, there is eating and drinking involved and the body is. Maybe, you could think of it literally like when we eat each other up with kisses. I Love Bites. Yeah Lik sem that is eating and what do we call when we go down on a woman? He kind of linguists is eating. Right. It is. It's eating pussy. So we we eat each other up. With love or with lust and I kind of like that idea because I enjoy food and sex kind of go together they show. Do I don't like church a lot more that were saying well, yeah, see this is the Church of Nobel. This church Yes. I am the Reverend Dr Susan Bloch. Reverend doctor Yes yes and and so you know tonight it's Buono. Bougainville because it's Halloween so much. So. Gypsy would you do me the honor of being my alter girl to demonstrate this thing this amazing thing where where's your microphone? You don't have a my. We have to hear your consent in this way always consensual to you Dr Suzie, whatever you need. But I really was thinking for Halloween like going out. In a Tau with a shower curtain in front of me and saying I'm Harvey Weinstein. But. Now I don't think a girl can do. Massage. Financial. It'd be like, oh That's I think it's funny. All right. So I'm going to show you what we do for novell canyons now. Gypsy happens to have like some those beautiful breasts in the world actually she only has two them I said. The two he's got cheeto Fulbright so and it is true that. That Bonobo Ville communion is often with the breast as alter. However, it could be any part of the body. Really it could be the foot, the shoulder wrist. I mean, even in some cases, it has been an article of clothing. But it is. A communing. Of the altar person. In this case alter girl. With the receiver of communion who is in this case lucky me. I liken this church. Right. So you know church music to. Salt Sugar. Yeah. You wet the altar. So. then. You sprinkle. Salt. Like so. I love salt. and. Then, of course, I take my shot now. You were doing this I'd be waterboarding you WANNA waterboarding. Okay You're gonNA waterboard me. waterboarding it live. And that is style and a style. And now yes, get the witch up. So was beautiful. Well, thank you this church isn't it? Great honor. Up That's going. On here and do I I've been here a year and. That was on on it being. Well. That's our first time. First Time Okay we have one more minute so you can think about taking communion. When we come back. Okay I and We're also going to be back with more alligator tricks. Not. A Marguerite. Mistress of ceremonies of. Khan. And and also member of the Board of Dom. Yes. I'm Jim Stephen Oboe the sexy. ME. Bitch. So we're going to be back with more Halloween and do Noblesville so don't come. And don't go away. Stay stay. Hi I'm Dr Susan Block, and I've just written a new book called the Bonobo Way inspired by my love for make Love Not War. Great Apes. You know the ones who have a lot of sex in Bonobo Sutra of positions including face to face. But it's not just how does have sex? It's how they use sex to prevent murder and wore really. The only great apes that have never been seen killing each other. They practice what I call peace through pleasure. With the females gently dominating the very happy, very sexually satisfied males but does our special partly because they are and partly because they're very, very close to US almost ninety nine percent genetically similar to us when it comes to being human. Even being humane. Bonobos can teach us much, which brings me to us and more specifically to you is your inner bonobo longing to swing free. Would you like to tap into the hot natural sex energy within you bet you would so you can better enjoy the pleasures in life and cope with the pain. The pain. And have more orgasmic organic sustainable sex who doesn't want back greater lust greater trust and better anger management and who couldn't use a little bit of that these days. So get the book learn the Noble Way. You'll be glad you did. Then you'LL WANNA join Bonobo Ville a new global village for Bonobo lovers and friends. One last thing, the real bonobos are highly endangered. So a portion of all book sales go to Bonobo conservation groups working to save the wild Noboa's from extinction read the Bonobo Way and learn why this could be the most important Eko sexual movement of our times and Improve Your love. Sisters we are going to have a city and ride or asinine. So you've never been on a scipion before no, I've never been on one before. You are ready to ascend. Thrones. Drive. God's machine. Right here the other right here in just position yourself comfortably, but you're right here. Mountain. City, and by the way Oh I have many times my favorite rides. CBS Yoga. And experience it. To the fullest. For Whatever We've got for tip, Bronco, Fan. Strikes again. Yes. They do say that when it feels. Live on. Dr. Suzie Dot t. v. from the wound room in the Nobel. Right him terrible. have. Exactly. Date. Before. Before. We never get tired of watching a pretty girl out the SYLVIAN. Celebrating. Masturbation. Soon in. The. Classes. Classes. Is. Probably Face. That is a beautiful thing. Thank you. Dr Susan Walk Your Walk. Along We have our. We are. We we we we we. Defy. I'll. You are not. Ashamed. How was it? What's your report? I have a giant so tinguely right now it feels like. I'm just GONNA take. Tak-? Bigger than your little body that is the best product endorsement I've ever seen. Like I'm. Ready. It. Over. looked. Girl. Love you. Girl. You're listening to radio city one, the World Wide Web, and now here she is Dr Susan Bloch. Bitch. vamps. gourds alligators. and. Trumka. GonNa make suck. Some are Gourd. Wow. He can take a lot of this Gordon here. There we go. That big now. Do we always knew his big mouth was good for something just we weren't sure what certainly none speaking. although I have to say this. That trump is is really rude an awful and disgusting and Nazi and Fascist, but he does sort of laid bare That side of America. And I think that it is a truth that we must grapple with. We must grapple with this. We must grapple with electing or erecting He didn't really win the election, but he got in there based on a bad really bad television show. You. Know you're fired. Right you can just see the trump can yelling at somebody look at that. Just endless. Suck was Kinda gross in there of course, like it. Behind all of that stuff is like taking away the rights of peoples. But China's And I just want to say I'm all for the PUSSIES revenge. That is going on right now in. Over General Motors and we should have been ourselves against the Weinstein's in the wieners and. On my own, Weinstein's wieners. Also You know the other Guy O'Reilly and els is dead, but you know all the residential being on. But here's the thing is they're individuals and they can dictate a Hollywood movie but this. Pumpkin head is the president. So that's the difference is he not only grabs you by the pussy which he does in his own admission. He grabs your pussies, rights and throws them out the window with his henchmen the warlock pence who doesn't even seem to really like pussy unless they make. So. We have to. Kind of consider these things I think and since you're watching the Dr Susan Bloch Show, you're putting up with me telling you what to consider. So thank you very much and happy Halloween. Halloween. and. Yes. Yes. Yes, we Do. Our part therapy by. This has been great their Beijing escaping. So some of it is engagement in what's going on, but also you got to escape because it's like so. Awful, I'm sure you must feel that way especially because you fucking voted for him. Absolutely our really. But I mean we all have some interesting emotions over the fact that you voted for him and I'm glad you're here because I am Bonobo and I believe that everyone you know. Is, beautiful, in some way even trump we also believe that we take care of each other right and there's people as a nation trump is great as long all the money to the rich as he keeps a big Gordon, his mouth richer stealing, they should give us a little money. Yeah. That's what I'm saying that. I think. That's fantastic. I'm really enjoying this. Way. By the way this jack-o-lanterns this trump lantern. Are BARTEND DRESS And Don Department. New Print magazine Yes. We're. We're going to be making a print magazine. Cows are in the first issue. We decided we would do our splash. Splash. Translate. Video into print. That's real. Video into print Max luxury you. Would ever want to do another splashing episode. I had a lot of fun with that roll around in some pudding. Cake. poop I have to say, well, that's why I did it because you know he was a monkey in monkeys fling poop. Still, so that's why. You'll but you're so elegant. Next time you walking. Maybe. Been No Listen. I don't WanNa monkey flinging his putting vanilla pudding. White substances. Tapioca B. Bs while roll around in some cake doesn't have. To. Do Some splodges some for some Jello. Jello. It is they bring top yeah. Yeah. Actually we just got one. We can do that I. Mean I. Don't WanNa. Do it now? Do we have any cake? But that was my. I that was my first time, a bit oboe bill, the splashing episodes so I have well know sentimental. Could be as wild and crazy as like chocolate pudding wrestling it could be that it it can be. Really having sex with these things while they're nine of covered Guacamole ooh and it can also be as simple as noblesville communion. Little Salt you know. What's washy wise like came here till I. Agree with her like I was like I don't know what I'm getting into. She was a more planned and had like a theme and I was like I'm just going to get food thrown at me but it was really fun. They the squeeze bottles with the Doctor Suzy kind of it was like talking it through. That was good. Does my monkey flinging on. These flinging poo on. Just acting and. That is that is that is the. Sexiest sounded, we're all naked shouldn't it was that it? was. A good time. Pudding we were happy and trump even I wanna to say this is almost a year ago. This show was made trump was getting it look how young he looked. Yeah let's go. A little better weather now whether. BANDAIDS on his face, his eyes difference. That's what. Trump he's been beat up his that guy where's Trip trump screen. Give. Him Fame and fortune. ooh. Well you know we knew it was to pay extra for that point often. Balls this boy I don't up his balls. I. Too much pleasure out these his. Falls. Lords balls. Cities Balls and he's GonNa. Blow A. Big Load any so It's all waiting there. Is In there that's why you wear condoms because you get a little sick if you don't. You. Get that little stuff at the end. All right. Gourd. Donald doesn't mind your dirty just keep it in there. Yeah. We ever find out if he really does like an piss on sat on Gordy we. We know he likes get pissed off. tastic. Swear under US. Well Wanted to go. Microphone. Just. Jumps under there. Right, so Good. Place the bay. Absolutely, we're going to have that noblesville communion. Let's do it because we keep talking about eating. Guys out here. Want to be tortured Spang outlets put out another Up. Here. Jay. Right. Hand. Lane. Blocked trump we don't care. Do you have a name? I'm Jay Jay Jay. Jay. Jay wants to be punished J. when they used to sitting next to wearing. Clothing not wearing a costume. Clothing. He's a video game. What do you mean? He's not waiting pasta. He's going to. He's going to be punished for something. That we punish of order. except. Didn't even think was a cost uncreative costume. We're we're playing good witch bad witch different. Are disappointed in yourself? Yes I am you're being punished for being a good way. Being disappointed for failing US women. Good job I accept that. So what do you want him to do? I think we should thank him. Okay Yeah okay. Right, are you Pulling down the pants Oh my God no. Talking. To Michael Not not prepared for that right now. where the good underwear. Will you take a beating we just bend over the way we wind take a beating on your but of course. Okay. Well, that's what we were. Hanging balls the since you're not going to take your clothes off should be hard and quick. Little worse. Over here. Talk this obedient. Four. Don't be nervous here you're in a room, it professionals and beautiful professionals. Okay paper. Because you know you're kind of nudity NOBLESVILLE. SPANKING Novak. Way. Yes a book spanking right? It's it's. It's like Spanky by try to enjoy it. That's right. You'll. You'll. You'll get to take that home to. Okay. On your. Yeah Yes mistress. WHO WELL THANK YOU MR Oh. Thank you, mistress. Thank you mistress. Threes thank. Thank you. Sir. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Thank you so much. Love it. What is this? Takes a lot to make me cry. Oh. Ho Sau. A whole show just to torture me that's okay. Okay. So Don't get too excited here. We want to up the ante. What is that you have in your hand? I have shucks rather McCain. Now let's let's Hey. Hey Hey. crew back there turn off the elevator musically. I'd put on the king. Sister. Because it's the last night of kink month in do. Cry, right. Is Safe word. Is we can just run away. Labor prescribe. That that government agency. Hi How you doing there Jank so good. Thank you Mr. Ready to graduate to the K. Yes. Oh, my God. Stinging. Yeah. Thank you. So much. got. Amazing. Very good sport. Martin. And a nice hugging. Hug. Know. Trump's Morris. That's okay. We can. was that was. So he went everywhere. I. Want More. Obvious. So. How did that compare with your other spanking? Sirius'? J? It's right up there. You guys springstreen. Before. Time respect today. This is this is. The first time you. Toss. He's talking about coming to club Wick. Now. and. You'll love the spanking line because you get spanked by about twenty women maybe. All the guys get in in three times, nine medium line, heavy rain, and then we her. And women travel around the men's stay where they are women we spank everybody awesome. Oh. On and that's always the time during the party where I wish I could take pictures because it's so insane spanksgiving. We had a little spanking Conga line So okay. Now we'RE GONNA do Nobel communion are an right? Okay. So, may you? You make. Yes You've been pinned. doodoo okay. Here you go. Lunch at trump. And what we're listening to by the way is the kinksters. By mark will and Karmiel now for most cell. Thanks. David is right now. kinks. No the king's. Son. Yeah, my dad wasn't the Kings. I you know I'm ready to. Rock and roll the original kinks. Ter- Rock and roll still rock roll was fetish finest. Still now, everything's kinky doctor. Well everything is everything's kinky talking. Just, some of us we all know admitted. Some of US don't now one of the. Things is religion. That's for sure religion with sex. Well, we'll get a lot of king actually we're coming up to now we have to change. Holy. Communion. Long plug babies. Lies in a candle this is a dildo. It's it's. Size. You know. Maybe s now if you wanna be really naughty. Then we have the Jesus. Jackhammer. A Another interesting. For Easter. Yeah. There's all kinds of interesting oh. Yeah. You saw the devil. Talk. You saw the devil. All little devils. This is more accurate and fitting most men's penises. I've never seen that one before. He's he's usually hiding inside trump's ass right dodger. Fans for the devil. So look. Very. Attractive. Well, he's usually busy. That's exactly why. You guys see what would you do with the devil? downst- though many times. It doesn't stop there. Though doesn't never stops there mean what would you do with this this devil with this guy? chevrette up some guy's ass show. Yeah. Would you want that up your ass J. Theoretically I mean. You have to talk. Extra. Little. And you know. The texture. That would feel really to well. Closer what do you mean? A Little Lube? Yeah I. Honest. About it, he doesn't even know. His brain is fried. I'll. Go there fast don't you? Yeah I saw that. Good for devil is made for pleasure, you want to sit on my lap. J YOU WANNA settlement. Artist actually has be does not gonNA. Maybe. Besides even though he super exciting, right he's super exciting. Dara. We Have A. Communion. Off A WHO I'm doing it off of you believe she is the wrong altered. Right so they she is the dominant situation, oh? Okay. So you she will lick you first and then. Stand back. Wow look at that. Beautiful Boob. Those cameras in okay. Actually you don't have to. Put, the salt. Here and. Way Now. We need the microphone what were you saying? Loving this church. Love this. Well you're very good. Church lady. Yes ask looks like your nipple enjoys the church to. Right that's beautiful. Isn't that beautiful? All right. So now Gypsy is going to get waterboarded, which means you name to oh? No, no no, but you could keep your booby out because it looks so nice. Maybe maybe. Yeah. Oh, well, you could do the waterboarding. Sure you could. I should I've had other people doing waterboarding lately. Down that. All right. And that. Is. Getting waterboarded. Cry. Stripped Rave at saw. Don. Was Very. Nice. So, now do you WanNa take communion because you can get a drink out of that deal? Right right the elevator music down. And why do we play this music? While the Nicer Take Communion Kim. I've ever seen communion taken off of Dr Seuss. That's because. No Old. I usually like to give other people a chance minute. I didn't give permission all right I. Need My permission from my husband okay. You have. Permission Kidding. Permission to lick. Suck. Right. Well. You'll never know whether he really gives permission or not actually. It's nobody's business. Now is a now you can't tell from the way what you see on TV just know that cannot tell from whatever you see on TV including how someone will govern. because. Everybody twist now can I know now? Okay so I. You. Lick. The Altar. then. Get it nice and wet. And then we sprinkle the Saul. And now we eat. The communion. Is. The. Nobel. Done yet, and now you get between my legs. And muscled anything you hand me. And now you just lean back lean back the other way actually like you go. Yeah. Like. An open, your mouth. Raven Song gets waterboarded UH. Could no boats? All Right Well We've. Actually gone into overtime. Boy I'm FIS. Does brooms when you being been. Communion no that's all right. No. Hitters don't. Union. Right. I see. Okay. So We, are. So here we are Max. Captain? Next week is your birthday. Nine Birthday. Birthday not, really, but we're celebrating. Birthdays. So Birthday. Yeah November fourth is Captain Max and The third anniversary of. The bonobo way. Posited on Max's birthday. Off. Double parties. So is that where I remember when it is remembered birthday But in any case. Yeah. So we'll be celebrating all of that next Saturday and we'll have goddess. We have a bunch of Goddesses Goddess Virgin Ooh God it's. All over. Yeah. I got a whole list of people that are supposed to be here. Yeah. Okay and bringing him getting show up. Brian could say bribes. Short. And Goddess Oma Snake Oil. Disorder. We've invited Mr Siam by the way I don't know if she can make because she's so busy but I did want to just it's. To get around you you both know her yeah. And you know she brings a lot of us together she. Does right. She gives us so much to do. We we in our way, but it was interesting to find out that mistress Raven Ray had been. Sort of a manager at sanctuary. Manager there five years. Various go small word. Hall. What a great job to? Curls right. It's like what I get paid to. These places just. Fellow revolutionaries. And we're GONNA, meet some of our revolutionaries out there in Vegas. And a couple of weeks for November, the eighteenth. At two o'clock pm I'm just hoping I wake up. But this is daytime gig. To deliver the Bonobo way of peace. Pleasure at the Erotic Heritage Museum in Vegas. Yes. Ovadia is him one of the two places that you can see from? Outer. Space. That is created by humans. They say man made I guess you could say matinee don't know how many women built those buildings but. Anyway human-made it's not sin city that'll because Mediaset still illegal there. Yeah. Exactly. Gambling. Yeah. Yeah. They they have some interesting odd rules there I know it's a it's a it's a you know America's biggest fetish. Is Money. and. People Express that in different ways. One way to express it and business. Is One way, and of course, our biggest industry is the military industrial complex but a lot of people you know they think they can change their fortune get lucky go to vegas you know and I guess that's what that shooter Kinda thought and actually he kind of did and it's it's so crazy and such a terrible terrible. And I do hate to say I forget her name, but there is a friend of mistress porcelain. Majid's. Jennifer assistant her name. Okay. But to her I well, may she rest in peace? She was killed in this terrible atrocity. A massacre and My friends to what are your friends. One of my childhood friends. He was the one that threw his body across his wife and saved her life Oh Yeah Jack Beaten. Really. They were there for like their twentieth wedding anniversary really. So they're not from the KINK WORLD? No. She won't be watching really worried about some Arabs. Lake Isabella okay. It's Green Valley high noon from high school. Okay I'm just curious what you really rocked gun community. About gun control leak Isabella's. Tell at the end of town. Saint Max's question. I just asked. About the hotel I just keep looking for hotels and SA-, Fetish I've. GotTa should get back to my question. I'm just curious and I won't hate you I A lot of people I love are really into everybody having guns, i. i. kind of think it's sucks I say Cox not glocks shoot the gun between your legs but how about you I think there should be a level of control I have guns a levels I love to go shooting back. Shoot animals that I'd love to go to the gun range tin cans. Love handguns what do you? Like targets. Yeah we should turn out. All right. Yeah. It's a great place to Hang I love it. When it comes to gun control, you know on on one hand. I feel like as long as our police, our military. Thanks. Absolutely people Pu- The public needs to be able to arm themselves however i. Would support a ban if it were a ban on all guns if it's just a ban on citizens and police can still have guns and police could still come into your house and chew people as long as we have a law that says that if you kill a police dog, you'll be charges. If you kill the police officer, which means you could be given the death penalty but police officers could come in and throw grenades and kill your children. As long as we're doing that, we can't ban and shoot dogs we need to we need to make sure I agree controlled. BY PEOPLE AREN'T CHECK UP I I really don't understand the need to have twenty guns special specialty guns. Wanted to find out wait. WHOA WHOA and then we got him. But WHO BOOED We know is you? Don't. Boo somebody played doing anyway. We kind of feel I. The. First People that should start disarming are the police because they are public. And they're getting too many military arms, but there's too many arms in American general. So we'll talk about that another time because as long as we're on the subject of you know. Police let's talk to Gore. He. Knows about that he yeah. Actually I know about that actually you do too. So you can talk. where, is Mr. Times. Wolf on the prow. So. He's coming. Privacy, tissue. Has. Not. Coming. He's coming around there is. Pretty. Cool. I'm just here telling. laughing. Do you work for Ivers now. Or? Whatever that that company is is. That that show the blacker all turning into a white girl when she washed her face, it was really just completely taken down on twitter. Oh boy. So. Very is you can't sink through that though. You. Can't. Take that on Sing anyways. Goes we can't hear you don. Atmosphere. Roses what the odds of the Arbor. Sound Pretty. Good. Yeah Sounds like a digital voice digital voice so What are we going to sing at you? WanNa mask you want mask. BESS was noble veal. Everybody out there watching them but noble noble land. Hanging in happy Halloween to everybody out there and Boone Noble, veal unique who he called a wolf represented with Dr. Block. I. Don't know what Song. I'm GONNA do but Whatever thrown there I'll just do you did. So Hey. Aaron he's going to accept. Yeah, there you go. That's it. I. Hear you back there. No Use. A. A Noble. Noble deal. But knowable. Again yes. Volume flee. Walked pop. Real Business. To. For Hey come. Down to. Earth needs to be a pay cut. The props on the show on my little bit naughty above. Were south. Any Paul. Don't the only reason to be. Soldiers. And now. Guy Says. Six stuff. Up Momma Daddy was there to humanity take their. Pop. Up We are wanted on his birthday here, all these different races up here tonight I love. What this is about nobile, we are one human race. We all want. What. I what? I. Feel like a Pasco. STRIKING BITES THINKING Proven exist. So women can help pave the way peace. We already got war all of. Peace in the province. But the call it happened on call. IS GOING TO TAKE Advantage. Up the. Choice Stadium. Hillside Nice Spread love is my. Brand. Queens. The can't we all just. Tried to keep dot Martin Luther Steel Pushing your dream because we are what what what what What. One of everybody out there watching the but nobile jess, not the TV in the eighty. Yes. Talk. Obviously. Need to. To. Go Swimming. Guys when I said hot. Wanted. To. Give them a double grass of integrity missiles sabotage. Ultimately both the sick man. It's mile race or. Didn't hit the. Wrong note to the world were man woman boy. WHAT NOSAIR DUSTY A big. State that one take. To go peace educate graduate. What? Your. What resonates. To the world out there because we are. One. Race Human Race we want. On the plot show we are one would noble veal we want has tagged debts. Pro. On Dr Seuss's lucky. Yeah Baby. So we're going Vegas and we're going to take peace through pleasure. To. This city that's been stained by. Blood. And hopefully, we can be part of the healing I want to be too presumptuous, but that's what I would like. So. That's some coming up and yeah. Next week's Max's birthday and. Way anniversary. and. Then we'll go to vegas and then we'll have spanksgiving. spanksgiving Madame Raven Ray. The one woman you let spank birthday. Do that remember that when you're young man young. She did it bottomless? Yes. He did. She didn't sexy. It was very sexy. Oh Yeah. Top would is always top. Okay so To Max what else do I, get? Yes. Okay. So I just WANNA get a little serious because this all sounds like what clowning around but we ain't claimed them around. Here's what's going on shoot it. There's a group of people they're basically right-wing. Nazis as we've been saying many many months before the election. That want to take away certain rights we've lived for and worked for and been jailed for, and they want to take them away because these people are nationalist they're not Republicans. Okay. Then then they're not so sure that these are nationalists. Nationalism you say Mussolini. And you say. Yeah These are Nazis. These are nationalists K. And when white the Eisenhower was president of this country that tax rate On corporate. America was seventy percent. When are the cameras could turn around and show It's not. My file, my face. Sean Pictures. Way. This show pictures drink champagne and well, that's all right. Yacht and not very. Eager. Guys. Can. Turn. Turn. These people can just go somebody should move this year because we're. Trying. To reconnect. At the take it outside just take it outside. Well, that's just outside. There you go. There you go outside for a minute. So, that's okay. So we have the nationalist that have been working for many many. Win Chance and our schools to influence in our colleges to pay millions of dollars to get this idea across no offense government belongs to us not to business K. H.. Captain Max. Because if we look at business, most of them, go bankrupt. And the ones that don't. Dealing from you and ruining the environment, the part of the Matrix. Yeah. These are these are exactly. So that's not an allowable thing in my life. Not Allowed So we have different levels of the Anti antifascists. We have the philosophers. We have the army's. Fronts. And we have the people that go out there and face them when they march. These are nationalists and they have to be defeated. Otherwise. We're going to be run by Nazi nationalist. And that's not allowed in this country. Certainly not my thank you captain axe. Right, here that drunken. We're coming to get you. Know Skin but we're hurricane here. Snow. Trump can pumpkin. And wanted to go lake here. So. We have to defeat trump gun. Yeah. And Take him out. That's right. And it's very important to. Do this for humanity. and. For. The bellboys. And for. The world, what do we have three minutes? Is that what you're thing means they're three minutes. Okay. So where do we find you all quickly, you can fit me facebook instagram twitter e Core I, k. k, or or La Talk Live Dot Com. Where do we find you mistress? Raven. Song I met. I met host club Wick and gmail.com. Madame Marguerite and I am at Madame Marguerite Dot Com and we find you in the swamp. Drain the swamp alligator. Yeah. You can also find me on on a Youtube web series called lifelike about robots. Alligators and robots similar. Yeah. cold-blood Elber. It's call what again lifelike ninth light. Well. So did anybody pursue casting couch? You Ever Unfortunately. I have. Yeah you know all my friends. They've done this. They've all been like you know, hey, sucked my dick now I haven't gone that I feel like I'm not a part of the Hollywood. Hollywood. Happens everyone everyone gets sexually harassed and I'm an actor who's not been sexually harassed. Stay Independent. Well, we'll see what we can arrange anyway we. Know Hey, all you would be harasses call the doctor Susan Bloch Institute. We are here for you. We are here to stop you from harassing. People. Essentially. We are here to help you to channel your kinks consensually and. Have a Lotta Fun you can harass. US. We harass. Whatever floats your booty. So yeah. I'm Dr Susan Block and trump getting is obviously one of our patients. Right. Now, usually, I protect your anonymity but not in his case WAM. Follow the Bonobo. Way. That's right. But Noboa's not makes life. Nobody does not babboons share share share and empower the females and consider the guys and their pleasure to that's one of the things about this whole pussy revenge thing that I am so supportive but you've got to consider what to do with the guys. So you know that's Song does include. US. With the Bonobo ladies do so make like does not babboons make love not war make love someone you love tonight even at that someone is. WHO. I love you. I. Love You. Sucks for. Me To talk with someone about something. You can't talk about with anyone else. You can talk to us. I'm Dr Steven. Young mistress but the. But my day job is director of Dr Susan Bloch. Institute for Erotic Guards and signs specializing in sex therapy over the phone. Anytime, you need to talk wedding serious psychotherapy or a hot phone sex experience or a combination by world renowned. sexpert just phone call. Totally. Private absolutely. Confidential listen. Advising role play point battle with you know fantasy is to taboo and help you with anything from impotence to exhibitionism fears to desires fetishes two marriages for more information. Call us at two, one, three, two, nine, one, nine, four, nine, seven, that's two, one, three, two, nine, one, nine, four, nine, seven anytime in need to talk. You're listening to radio city one on the World Wide Web.
91: Mad Lib Disease and an Everlasting Faint
"Welcome to spooky time. It's been so long since we've recorded. I know it feels like off like, I don't know. What like I feel like I'm. Are you agree? Definitely lost. You're hoping hoping you. Interrupt me. Well, I do that often fair that I would do the one time. I need it to. Right, right. I do actually on a very serious note. Can I issue like a quick apology note that I've been meaning to say to tell you guys and everybody. Okay, don't freak out. I just sorry. I know I do want to say sorry because as of few weeks ago, I'm officially off the market. Oh, I know. It's really hard for everybody vote. I looked like what the fuck is going on. Intense like I was going to drag it out for a really long time. And then you guys started making me sweat 'cause you're staring. Chrissy. I do wanna politics. I know that we're going to lose a lot of our listeners over it. Right. But you just come to me. It's fine. Yeah. I mean the market not quite not not legally. Anyway, not legally. So I just want to say, you know, this is your first married podcast everyone who lost their shot, better luck. Next time in another life, perhaps. Glitch in the matrix perhaps anyway, anyway, congratulations on now having to rings on your finger to Clack around. Clint Clint ablaze can do it. Now, you had to do it at dinner. It was kind of did I had both of them clinking their drinks with Iranian natural. It just troll. Just like me. I made my whole body shiver. It was super fun for everyone. Yes. You got married and a lot of people were I remember last week saying can wait to listen to the episode this Sunday and ended up being another prerecorded episode episode. So this is the official. Yes. I am married, and I'm a cat pajama outfit. Yes. Things are going great for her. Things are looking at do. You wanna talk about your wedding. Sure. People wanna know what's going, really fun. There were a lot of Germans Austrians. There there were there were a lot. And they were riot one of the more the whole thing might one walks around and later hosing in sign that said wedding crasher, and the stuff was like is he supposed to be here? And I was like, I guess so at this point let. Let him we had GIO and tonic was a signature cocktail. Yup. It was fun officiated. Did they did a fantastic job did lot of compliments? I I wasn't sure if I was going to make it funny or not. And then I was like Wildwood I'd be up here. So once I got up there. I decided I was going to make a couple of jokes. It was fun. I didn't know how to go. We'll some of the jokes. I like forced you to say because I wrote them into the script some yes, which I was like I feel free. If this is like awkward or weird out loud, just Nixon I also made some of my own. And then I was like, I don't know how serious Christine's taking her own wedding. So maybe I should ask. Her permission first. And so then the night before I like read some of them took Christine are you down with this? This is okay. And it ends up being. And unfortunately, the next day. I was like remember when I do those. I don't. Oh, good. Okay. That I got your consent. Also, I walked down done the ox, right? I didn't even tell him. I didn't know it was kind of. Oops. I forgot apparently Christine was going to like face to face asked me. Once I got to Ohio I wanted to like, but then you fell asleep in a chair my house. Yeah. Right. And then I saw I didn't know until the rehearsal windy, the wedding coordinator was like, oh, you're walking down the aisle, right and up until that point the answer was no. But nobody else was around to give her an answer except me. And I was like, yeah. That's definitely. Black Penn and don't let anyone sharpie show Christine. Justin cases. It was not a mistake. I had planned it out blades. And I plan that part out and it was good. And Joe was yeah, he clambered down the aisle. He did. I basically ran down the GIO his anxiety came out, and he didn't know what was going on. So he scrambled a little which meant I screwed with them. And everyone had a great time. My mom's like, why doesn't your sister walking down the aisle. And I was like a she's in high heels be she's thirteen and eight pounds like he's gonna knock directly under her face. I had already coordinated with Alexander's girlfriend to make sure that there were dog and cat treats available because once I walk down the aisle. I obviously had to be on stage. So I had to pass GIO off to Allie. And so I was like I needed to make sure there's something for him to eat. So he doesn't how through part of the wedding about me about me. Right. Yes. It was really great. And I don't have any photos yet like official photos, but I will say I have. I know I said earlier I'm going to be like serious, and then I wasn't. But like actually for real real quick. Okay. I keep doing this. And then everyone looking at me so awkward. So I will say I got us need peak video from the video for and I wasn't going to share it because I've had some pretty severe like body image issues over the last year until I was like, I don't want people commenting or like looking at it. But then I was like it's super fun and sweet and I shared it. And everyone was like super nice and kind and like nobody said anything negative, and I was very frayed because then lease Olympia shared it on her page. And I was like I don't even want to read the comments because I don't know, but everyone was very supportive and sweet. So I want to say thank you to everybody who went and looked at that on my page in like didn't say like, oh, hey, Christine, you gain forty pounds. You look. My mind is what was going to happen that I think any of you would do that. But you know. You never know. Everyone was so sweet. And it was super fun. Also, your whoever did your make up she killed it. Because the next morning you woke up, and you still a full face of makeup on kind of clambered into my home dragging the bridal gown behind me, and my mom was like, oh, no families already here. And I was like, hey, everyone. And I was like, wow. Did you get up early into your makeup? I was like totally you know, me early and did my I did that. Of course, it didn't know it lasts that. It was great also side note that was my first time in Ohio, and I've gotten a lot of people asking since before I even went if I was going to go to graders ice cream. Right. I went, and it blew my mind. Oh, I'm so glad I would have been really sad. If there were seven different flavors that I wanted to try I got through three. And I was like we'll these these are just so good. I don't got all three of those and I had blast. And I just wanted to before people ask questions because I definitely made it available on Snapchat. That was I greater for people on for people. Who are wondering? What was I going to say? I don't know what this is all about me being in Ohio. Not you right. Sure. Well, I was going to for people like him who were like visiting for some truly. I had at our wedding. We had like a Cincinnati late night food bar. So there were like skyline chili Kony's and graders ice cream and busking cookies. And so I feel like everyone got kind of a little taste taste. Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty good. Yeah. It was fun. Oh, yeah. My aunt shows up. And she's like normally, listen, she's normally she goes, I listened to the beginning and end of your podcast. And I was like what like I don't know. I didn't know that. She listen to any of it. Any of her family did so and that's why we drink was quite the slogan, all of the wedding speeches every single family member since like two blazing Christine, and that's why we drink, and I was like, oh, I guess. Single person. So that is hilarious. And my aunt came to the brunches like so she she got like goddess like a lot of really sweet wedding gets. But then she's like this is like a special, and I'm gonna give you in person. Okay. And she's like, it's very heavy. And it's like, okay. And I took it and it literally fell to the ground because it is very heavy. And I was like what is this? Because so I listened to beginning end of your show because I everything else is too scary. And I'm like okay fair fair. And she's like, so I was listening to set where you mentioned bowling. And I'm like probably every episode. We mentioned bowling was like, oh, yeah. We talk about bowling sometimes. And she's like, and so I thought of you because you're grandfather whose pass way, but she's like your until the scary story to me when I was three years old, and she like printed out and gave it to me. And it's the story of this ghost who goes bowling with a man's skull that he liked decapitated classic German. That's something you tell your three year old. Thousand percent. She's like, yeah. So I've been traumatized by this. And I was like, yeah. I don't blame you. So is there like a German like child cautionary tale store that she bought this though, she goes, I found this and bought it for you. And I'm like what could this possibly be? Right. She pulls in a freaking bowling ball with a skull in an actual cl-. It's like. Like the massive like how like like a crystal ball a crystal ball. It's like it's a true clear see through bowling ball with the skull inside. It's horrifying real skull before people ask, and then we had to put him he believes, but an suitcase and take it home. Now, it's in our podcast studio. The thank you Geico. For that. We love it. I love it if it's right in. No, I was shown, and I was like if you don't want this, please give a to please. All right. So that was a way also say real quick the photographer. I think he was talking to you. And he's like, oh, yeah. Told me about your show. That's so cool. And I was like, oh, thanks, whatever. And he's like, do you think anyone would like we're taking photos outside, and he's like, do you think anyone would be out there? And I was like, no. And then we're out there taking photos and this woman walked by goes Christine. I was like. I was like I know that person. And she's like, I love your show keep on Rockin or I don't know. She said something like the photographer. David is looks at me goes did it happen. Did it just happen God? And I was like, I guess so I didn't I don't know who that is. So whoever that was he recognized me in a bridal gown out in front, but she's the only one who will ever get to see you in an award interest. So that's true. Also, when we were no, I also got recognized and Christine's still fended by this was four times before you got there. And then it was a CVS relatively close Christine's house. And so also, and I needed to go to CVS to pick some stuff up and all of a sudden this girl's like are you from the podcast, and I went, yes. And I was like this is not the time. I just got off of a plane and then slept in Christine's chair for seven hours. About the time. But I looked garbage. And I'm glad she appreciated me anyway. And then we actually got an Email from her name is Kate and she apologized for looking like garbage. Although I did not think that, but I'm glad we both felt in secure in that moment, so lovely. We shared together. I thought that was funny 'cause I go there all the time. And I was like actually I'm so glad no one has. 'cause I every time I go there. It's like I roll out of bed, and I'm like, right? I need milk. And I don't want to see me this way. So it was fun. Yes. So that's that. That's not on that. Also, happy Halloween. Is there anything almost almost almost helming? This comes out the this comes out the Sunday before Halloween asure, and then we technically have Halloween two point. Oh where the one after Halloween. Okay. Sure. Okay. We get to halloween's. Sure. Welcome to early Halloween. Welcome to early Halloween. Yes. Where Christine dress up has a sex kitten. Yes. On accident. Don't act like I did. Sound like crazy seniors some cat like a combination of multiple cats have a cat onesie? And I wanted an excuse to wear and I showed up and I thought about dressing up, and I was like, no Christine probably not going to be dressed up. And then I show up and Christine's in a cat once with makeup on her face. And I was like, oh, I should have really dressed. But she also not only had cider waiting for me. And Eva she like Halloween the crap out of this place because we're sitting at a table right now that is just decorated and cobwebs and Tom Noel decorations. Listen, blaze, left me, home alone. What else was I going to do? So thank you for. Thank you making it such a special occasion Hollein's our season. You know? Oh, yeah. We got our reason for the season, which he little Eva here, celebrate our little witch. I I almost bought our card. The said babies first Halloween. Oh, speaking of low witches, it was also alison's birthday this week. And I know this is a long little which my nickname for her is evil, which is just so loving and daily precious, but I will keep this short. But we in the last episode recorded. It was believed at that time we were going to Catalina, and then the way that things got planned. It just was actually going to be much more chaotic logistically there was like literally eleven different ways I had planned for us to get to Catalina. And then it didn't none of them worked. And I was like okay plan L, we're going to San Diego. So I've gotten some people being like, I thought you said Catalina lied to them. What are you trying to make me look like an idiot. So no, I just wanted to correct things. Also. There were three things. I want to talk about that. I will do very quickly one in San Diego. There was this thing called the it was in Belmont Park. And it was a ropes course like you literally had to hang from like zip-line rope. And then it was like different little obstacles you had run across like they had like, oh, right. You're standing up really really tall. And there's like a like a shaky plank of wood you have to walk across a rope course, but you're like in the sky, and obviously can't fall drop, but it was very fun. Those like one of my favorite things that we did there. And we were the only adults because everyone else was five. It's like that show American enjoyer. No. I mean, the, but I don't want. What I imagine. That's how it was when you who steps and I was like. Wipe out. But yes, it was like my, but you can't wipe out. Okay. That's ideal. Yeah. And then the other thing I had I usually not impressed with like my like either gift-giving abilities like my creativity with dates, but this one actually impressed myself. And I want to recommend it to anyone in the San Diego area trying to really woo someone because I'm just making myself official wingmen were so there's this company and this is not an actual ad, but they deserve credit. It's called beach, fire guys beach. I think dot com and be guy. Wasn't it? Google. What doesn't matter? I think it would be guys, you're probably right. And it's company where you can have them prearrange a fire out on the beach Sensini ago. And so that was one of the things that I surprised Alison with and she didn't see it coming, but they had already set up this giant fire Tiki torches. And if you pay extra which I did the also give s'mores fixings and all that so super by the time, she got out there, you get like. Three or four hours out there. And you text them like they set it up, and then you text them and like twenty minutes before you're gonna leave. And then they come and do all the clean. Sweet. So I was pretty impressed with myself and finding that. And if anyone is looking for like a cute thing to do for someone. They care I recommend it a lot. Then the third thing is I found this restaurant that I like can't stop thinking about. I'm like, I'm telling you when I ate the food there. I know this is going to be dramatic. But we all know who I am at this point. I'm a Gemini, it's called extraordinary, desserts, and my first bite into that food. I actually won almost cried into called my mom to tell her about it like really changed me like this is the desert so the whole place, by the way, it's like truly looks like food right out of food network. Like, they looks like it's art, and you should not be able to afford it. Let alone eat it. Right. They give you like a paper and pen for you to write down you get to walk by all of it. And then write down the things you want, and they go to your table, and you give to the waiter, and he brings you back when each and. The thing that I had both times we went was this blueberry, cheesecake coffee cake with strawberries and blueberries on top. And it's good. Like, I usually have a hard time. Figuring out things that I would put on my like my death row last meal, like if I get five foods, but would I eat that went all the way up? That's absolutely one of the things I would only shits hands down. And it was so good, and I'm not a coffee drinker tea drinker, and it was also a tea house where it had this menu of like twenty different types of tea like ice, tea or hot tea, both becomes by the kettle or came individually like I just had a fricken blast of anyone's near there in San Diego and San Diego Yacht. Cold extraordinary extra news Erz sound like a show. It should be. I watch it. Anyway, I wanted to steal your thunder. No, I'm glad we did. I'm glad we did it mention. Okay. So this is our Halloween episode. And I know that our intros long that I promise this at all on brand it is. Okay. So here we go. So well, first of all I'm going to give this to you. I don't know if this is gonna. Make into according. But I got a little Halloween gift. He's hold on what the. You. Wow. You really pulled an M and just like surprise the crap outta me today between costumes and decoration happens when I don't have a wedding to plan. I like this is a new and other shit. Oh is sweet Eva Eva Eva gets a whole bottle of wine. Even I was like going to put a LaCroix, and that felt kind of weird left it, and we so mine is a neon green on yellow bucket with a Frankenstein and Eva is a neon pink with a kitty cat. A little black cat and there's little kid when the dark racist cups, monster peeps and tabu list to do list and stickers will stuff, man. So you got a little Birdman little bird lady, we have a bird couple. And says. Also, I forgot to tell you this cobweb is glow in the dark. Reese's so aching my breath away. Want to make sure by moment. Anything's possible. We're going door and a card. Should we read this leader? Sure. It's not very exciting. Just a little babies egos. First, Halloween, handsome devil. It's actually also very good. Why? So you got wind that describes me. So we both went anyway, one time I did buy that for Allison. And she's like really is supposed to be like this is about 'em like actually those jokes. Well, I feel like a real ass. I'm bring anything that's last year. You did the whole video everyone keeps finding on YouTube. And I was like, okay, we're going to repose effort. Sure, our friend diversity and a couple of days. That's true. That's true. Okay. Well, this is early Halloween. So really how you post step one? Also before we start on our stories. I have couple jokes that I found about Halloween joke again, tell all the live Schrage joke, and you know, it at multiple live shows she's done the my arms retired from flying in here. And it's it's killed everytime. Because well it's killed because I'm goes, that's not funny. And then I run last. So that real punchline does real well for us. So these are from fun dot com. Okay. Why didn't the skeleton want to go to school? Because he had a femur. Well, that's pretty good. No. But it's good like it. Oh, his heart wasn't in it. Okay. Now, this is when they get real weird. And like, I think for year olds wrote them. So can we we'll see or us? Or you or us one? Is it bad luck to be followed by a black cat? I will advise you don't think too hard. When there's food around one your mouse close. What do you go? Eat for supper. Nothing spook Keti. They just get worse. There's one the worst one best worst. Who's to say? What do you do when fifty zombies around your house? Pray. What you hope it's Halloween. Okay. That's the best though. Full wet to it. I hope like whatever child said it was like with a hand on their heads. Yes. And had two points. And then I forgot that. I also had one more thing for you guys. I got you one more gift. What I watched hocus pocus? So happy he owns just choked on that cookie. I did I watched it. Thank you to everyone who has yelled at me about it. And it wasn't because of you guys. Clearly, you didn't even tell us you're going to do it. I mean, not you guys. I mean wasn't because I everyone who yelled at me about it. Which was not you guys on the internet were yelling. And I was like I'm not gonna do it. But I did the fear that we were worried about is that because people had forced the opinion to you that it was going to be a great movie it might have been overrated. So I wrote on my thoughts. Okay. So this could go on one of the main character thinks right? He's like Duckie from NCIS. We know. That's okay. Just making. Sure, we all right. Is it and say if no no it's? No, no, Duckie's old guy. He's shitty. Right. Right. Right. Right. I didn't know that you guys just blew my mind. He's definitely he's the nerdy. One the dorky one. Yes. And annexed the main guys that max note Bank saying, wow, he's he's definitely McGee. Yes. Sorry. That's the one Maki. Yes. Okay. I didn't know that step one at first. I mean every time I've heard I thought though, which is we're like the good guys because they're always the characters you see like what what what a hurting. Are you actually literally hanged them in the movie? And I was like, yeah. Rick like, I thought they were gonna go. Poof, we nineteen ninety three was a wild mess around with that. They hang them w Tf, my favorite character are the grunge kids like the ninety s grunge kids. Definitely my favorite characters. I was a little weirded out. But some of the like virgin like teen sex stuff. You know, it was the nineties. I get it in search Parker being I want teenage boys or whatever it was like, right. Okay. I hang on a hook. And let me play with them. Keep in mind. This was this was the year before her Carrie Bradshaw. Right. Like what four second city came clean her audition? You nailed it. They're like, wow. You want teenage boys. I know just the show. We'll say I got emotional at the ending of just was very like took me back. Those didn't they going to muscial? And I feel like a lot of the time is that it's the nostalgia it. So if you like I missed out on kind of like childhood experience of it. But I enjoyed it overall. And I did it for you to. Stop yelling mailing me. DVD's? Everybody. Okay. That's all I have. I'm gonna stop trying to force. No. That was that was all worth it all worth welcome to Halloween. I also knew that this was going to be a lengthy one because we're gonna talk about your wedding. I knew some Halloween stuff would happen at some point. Right. 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I didn't know what kind of direction where you're going with that. Well, we're going in my mother's personal life. I specifically asked her to tell me her stories love that. Oh, Linda, these are my mom's true crime and paranormal personal stories. Yeah. Think of it as a listeners episode on my end of just my mother, Linda stories, so we know they're like from the source from the source, and literally if you notice usually do bullets this is literally me free writing. She was speaking. So you're getting basically her voice fantastic. Which means it might not make sense. So it'll make so much sense. Just got on the Nomex, my mom, and I have this weird. Like, if there are any medical doctors out there that wanna like solve this case for us. Let us know. But my mom, and I both have this weird thing where the older we get we just stop. We just don't know how to say words like just random. We'll just replace words with completely different words that have no context or meaning and called early onset dementia think so because I used to make fun of my mom all the time for doing it. But now like in the last year, she like, I've do it all the time. All the time. And so I'm definitely turning into my mother on our like, what do you mean? Like like, if if my mom were saying like, oh, I went to the gases and shooting mean grocery store. Oh, I see like just totally neglecting and actual word and just mad living. Yeah. If it's called the mad lib disease, I got it. It's called the disease. Exclude someone from your doctor. It's only getting worse. Okay. So I tried to I tried to avoid any of that in these. So there are one two three five different stories that my mom has gone through that tastic came right to the top of her mind. Some of them I have mentioned before. But this is the from the source as detailed as possible version of it, would you prefer paranormal orchard crime I or we can do a little weaving to weaving. Okay. We've been in and out. So there are three true crime Emil do true crime. So we'll do a true crime paranormal true crime fantastic. So the one true crime is Halloween, which is like the one where I'm like shit. I need to focus on something. Okay. Good. I just thought like, you know, I have gotten a lot of Deums on Instagram unto kind of a combination of everything. But people have said like, what are your personal stories? They've heard me talk about my friends personal stories, and they're like, I know Linda's got some shit. So when do we get to hear about that? And I was like right now, my thought was I would wait for like mother's day and make this the mother's day episode just say all the wild chip my mom's gone through. But I was like, you know, what now's the time give the people what they want. I don't wanna wait till you know. Me. Okay. So here's the first you cry one. So this was in Fredericksburg where we live. And this was when I was a little kid. I'm not really sure of the year. But I was young enough that I remember her telling me the story all the time. But I was also I had been like maybe five ish. So she fun fact, my dad's a chiropractor and Fredericksburg, and he has a lot of his client base are the police department in Fredericksburg. And so they around this time, they all actually become friends and started partying together. And they were all in their like late twenties. They were also kind of partier 's when they weren't working. And so my mom and dad had just come from a police party party with bunch of police officers just become a dad's clients that sounds like a good time. Apparently sounds like a really bad that I can't decide my parents both really liked partying back in the day. And so I'm a magic was a great part. I know I imagine because it's like he could go either one or two as like Superfund let loose police officers. Please. Oh, it was. It was snowing. Was there? She wouldn't be boring party. She's not a stickler for fun. So I guess she had just come from a police party that night, and she was actually preparing for another police officers birthday party that night. It's going on in. This town Fredericksburg is lonely. Sorry, the Milano gumming thought it was like choking me a minute. Wait a minute. All the police shit. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to. Well. So I guess my mom had just bought like Adirondack chairs are. Yes. The long the plastic ones the long. Oh, yeah. The plastic version of Cape Cod. Yeah. Yeah. The Beechy kinda would chairs so she had just bought a couple of those and she was parked out. Front of a so my mom was out front of a grocery store, and she just gonna guess station. Right. Waiting for you to say one of? That'd be like the first sentence of this. So there was a party store next to it. And she was in the main parking lot for that whole strip mall. I guess right. She just come out of the party store and got some plastic Adirondack chairs that would definitely too big for her car, but she was trying to fit them in the trunk. And she assumes that that was the beginning of win someone spotted her because she took a longtime in the parking lot. And she says she was also dressed in an away where it was really hot out. So she was wearing short shorts and not that you know, what you wear does not matter. I'm very aware of that. But her opinion in this story is based on how I was this might have been when someone noticed me. Sure. So she spent a long time the parking lot trying to get these chairs in the car, then she went into the grocery store, and as soon as she went into the grocery store, she saw someone else come in. Who was very creepy. Looking guy who had a short crew cut really thick glasses and a baseball cap, and she said that he was just super creepy. She's never had a gut feeling this strong. She could just tell that. He was just bad news. And he was following her all over the grocery store he had his own cart. So it looked like he was grocery shopping and wherever she was in the store. He would always find a reason to like lean over her her cart. So like reach for food. I mean, this was also the nineties where I think fuck politeness wasn't such a common opinion and so still hard. Yeah. Still hard. And so she didn't say anything. She says that she gave a couple of dirty looks to like say, I know what you're doing. I don't like it. Right. But she never vocally said anything she's kept trying to avoid him. But he kept following her and finding reasons to lean over her. In brush against her body. What the fuck and. She finally got to the checkout line, and she was reading a magazine and she remembers her like her inner thoughts saying you need to pay attention to your surroundings right now. And so she put the magazine down and she looked up and she couldn't find him. And so she this is the only time she's ever done this. But she went to the cashier and went to ask for the manager. And said there was this really creepy guy. The manager said do you want me to walk you out to your car? And she said, yeah, I want you to and so while they were walking to the car. She was describing creepy guy. And the manager said it sounds like back over there. And the guy was sitting in his car that was parked right next to my mom's car, which is why she thinks someone might have noticed before she went in right? And then like pulled the car up and the car was parked in a very specific way where it was almost like diagonal or perpendicular to her car. So that if she were to get into the driver's seat and open the door. She would have triangle cornered herself in to his side passenger seat, and he could have pulled her into the car what the fr. Quick. And so the manager watched her getting the car and said call the police as soon as you get mccaren locked the doors. I'm not gonna leave until I watch locked the doors and drive away. And so she called the police are she called dispatch and said no phone the early nineties shit, my mom loves her gadgets. So thank God for that, Linda like fucking on it. So did not plan for that. She what is this contract? What's this Gizmo, the dazzled blackberry too early for that was probably a palm touch? Oh, upon pilot palm pilot fucking hell. Yeah. It's probably what's this palm pilot. You can talk to the stylus. We'll know how outdated some of our listeners are when they're like what's palm. I don't wanna know about that. My sister asked me what a floppy disk was. And I was like get out of here. So she got on the on the phone. She was driving back the house and the dispatcher said try to lose him and try to drive don't drive near your house and said. The manager at the grocery store. So then I was like, oh, she's dispatch. Okay. I get it. And so the dispatch said if you wanna make sure you definitely lose him or get him away from you drive straight to we have our hospitals called Mary Washington, go to the Mary wash emergency room because there's always police there that are on call. So if you drive to that area, they'll be a cop there, and then she lost him. But the funny ending to the story is that the person that was the dispatch though is on the line talking to wear was actually some of that she had met at the police party the night before that had dmed secure shut off of her. That makes it the most Linda story, it might not be akilah shot. It was whatever comes with cream like some sort of apple pie thing. So. Did that story, but she lost him? That was all matters. My god. That's terrifying. So description sounds like a serial crew cut thick glasses. Baseball caps ups guy, one of those sketches. So that's that story. Okay. Would you like one about the kind of the same? What about Jesus or one about God? I mean, you know to pick one I was gonna say, you know, I love Jesus. And then there was God. So you're right. You were in that joke for me. God. Okay. Let's start with the Fava start with the father. And also, I will make a disclaimer here that my mom does not necessarily identify and one belief system compared to another so weird that this thing that is what happened to her. I think because she's not someone who's very devout. Anyway, she identifies as Jewish and so I wish but we're very open minded to all beliefs. So I don't want this to tour shorter. Okay. So. My mom had a friend who was much more religious than us or religious at all means much more religious than us. And my mom was curious about, you know, starting our relationship with God, you know, forming any version of religion, and her friend gave her a bible, and her friend said, you should definitely read this just so that way if you that you can make like an educated opinion about it. And you should also meet with my pastor. But the the pastor was all the way out in Maryland knows a ninety minute drive. So my mom had called the pastor. Oh, yeah. I forget where Virginia's nearly figured it out. Yeah. Just it's like an hour and a half away or it's really not that far. It's forget the states are actually close okay going. So the pastor was like the past like ninety minutes away. And so it was kind of a far drive. And so my mom had spoken to the pastor on the phone. And the pastor said, you know, you don't actually have to come to a church to build your relationship with God, you can just kind of start when yourself it's all about just having communication, and if you if it ever falls on you to, you know, just start talking even in your car, just, you know, say, hey, God, just you know, what's up. And so my mom was driving home on the beltway one day. And she just decided she was gonna start talking to God. And she remembers specifically saying, okay, God, I'm gonna try talking to you. And she was saying, I don't know if there's like really know what I want out of this. I just wanna see where things go like what are we on? Labels on anything. I just want something casual right now. And so she was saying, I don't know if I need a sign, I just wanna know that, you know, you're here with me, or, you know, just give me some sign, and as she said that right over where she was driving in it just came into her view. There is this massive car accident a head of her. And so had she is she stopped short. She would have been able to stop short in time, and she would have crashed into the car into the cars in front of her. And so she it's kind of hard to describe. But she remembers jerking her steering wheel. Really really hard going like easily sixty miles an hour. And do you know what a jersey wall is on the highways? It's like those really thick concrete barriers that like only like five feet of space in between them. I didn't know. That's what they're called. But yeah, it's like there's no way you could. And there's no way like even if you aim there's no way you would successfully drive through any of them. But the way that my mom's steered the wheel she doesn't really remember what happened but her car moved. Sideways and fit perfectly through the concrete through the jersey walls. And she's like, there's cheese swear, she's like, there's no way. I don't even remember seeing them before I was going through them. There's no way could have aimed good vision. She should have basically out of fear swerved and just and just gone into a Craxi anyway. But so she ended up perfectly fitting with only a matter of inches between the walls and her car on either end she slid through them, and then the car swivelled around spun out and then halted on its own. And so when she like looked up she assumed she had hit a tree, but she had actually crashed into a field of three crosses. And then she looked behind her to see the accident, and the driver that was behind her was in the process of not being able to stop in time and crashed and killed the people in front of his car, which means if she had not spun out he would have crashed into her car and killed her. God that is terrifying. So she actually had a couple meetings that day that she wasn't able to make because she had to be a witness and like either for the cops, and she actually was on the scene and being interviewed for a while. And then by the time, she got out she had some time before one of her next appointments, and so she'd gotten there early and while she was driving to that appointment, she started talking to God again, it was like an anon- funny way being like ha ha those funny like I like, maybe you like I see I asked for a sign that happen. But like, I I don't really know if that was just like a weird coincidence. Like, I think the only way I could believe in this is through like, you know, you gotta give me some. Of a series of miracles or something like otherwise. I just I'm too on. Sure of things like I just need a God. She's crash your car Cardo ask for another one. Like, I need a bunch of miracles to be able to to understand that. You're actually listening to me and like showing yourself. So anyway, she got to this appointment early and the receptionist was like, oh, well, you know, he's not ready up. Don't you sit down? We'll get you a magazine. And so she sat down the lobby and the receptionist broader magazine and on the cover it said twelve miracles. Ooh. And that was my mom's a hall moment of. Okay. I got it. Like you heard me. And that's that on that one parent says. The next one is one of her many famous hotel stories not the one where she drowned the place. She said this is probably if besides the Stocker in the grocery store, this is like one of her more scary or experiences. Oh my God. So she was visiting California. And she was in a hotel where she doesn't remember the name, but it was all white and historic and it's like a famous hotel, and it starts with a C. She thinks but she doesn't remember in California East Bay. Oh remind I don't know. She said that she was there for business and all of her colleagues downstairs at a meeting and her whole job was to be at the end of everything was to pay the Bill at the end of this trip. I was like her big responsibility. She had left and since all over colleagues downstairs, she went up early. And she went to a into her hotel room by yourself and right around the time, she closed the door of couple months later. She heard really wild banging on the door. And she asked who has it. And these two men very loudly started screaming, not say for guys started screaming, we're going to fuck, you know. And she didn't know what says she's like, I think you have the wrong door that wrong room. Like, I'm not who you think I am. And they said no bitch. We just saw you with your long hair and red coat walk into this room, bend you over and do some very graphic things. Oh my God. And she was indeed wearing red coat and had long block air. So she call. The operator and nobody answered she called operator. Nobody answered she was screaming in her hotel hoping someone else would hear her that there were meant trying to break into her room. And they were continuing to tell her what they were going to do to her. They actually were banging on the door so intensely that they broke the lock on the door of just the chain was keeping them apart. Right. She called nine one one and she had a like a key chain Swiss army knife, right? They didn't see what the knife was. But she had a knife. And she said I of a fucking knife in here, and I'm gonna cut your fucking balls off. If you come in. And so they she looked in the people because they had backed away and she thought that they had gone into another room. But they actually were in the staircase where the staircase goes, and they were hiding in there for Fuxing and before they went and hid into the staircase. They pulled the fire alarm. So my mom's big fear at that point was like other women are going to be coming out of there right now. And they're gonna show us. The elevator. Stairs. So I guess luckily that wasn't actually their plan. Their plan was just a distraction in case the security came they wanted like a pile of people in their way. So luckily that did not happen. However that was like a big thing. My mom was afraid of the cops ended up showing up before any hotel security ever did. And she reported every. Anything in the security showed up thirty minutes later, and she ripped them a whole new asshole. I'm sure and she was like you have been gone for thirty five minutes since the police got here. The police have been here. Like, you know, I asked for you guys to be here an hour ago, where we're you know, what to men do one women to one woman and an hour and thirty minutes in the fucking building to travel there. Exactly. And so I guess I didn't get the time winner. But either that night they were like about to leave or the next morning. They were gonna leave and since her job was to pay the Bill for the hotel. It was like for twenty different rooms a fifteen thousand dollar Bill for the hotel, and she ripped it up in their fucking faces. And she was like, do you know, what could have fucking happen to me? And like, you guys aren't even apologetic or anything. And and so apparently, this was also a hotel that back in this was nineteen ninety. She said and back then like spas, or you know, that that kind of world wasn't. Always involved in hotels, but this was a hotel specifically catered for women, and it was like their marketing very heavily and that they had a spa. And so she was like this is a hotel where like this is catered to women like this could happen again and like in vulnerable positions spa spa and so-. Surprisingly, she actually said that a month later police did call her and say that they had caught them. So thank God, they had tried. They were trying to do it again to another woman that was there for Christmas party Jesus. So fucking hooligan. I don't know who they are where they are now. But that was her hope there about that locked right up. But she says that was one of the scariest breaking the door like actually. A phone. That's like true nightmare. Yeah. Yeah. God. So the next paranormal story is about Jesus I think we could like use some Jesus right now after that story. So my mom was still on her search for God. Because apparently like what was going. And so she my mom, also like if there's nothing my mom loves more than me or a glass of wine. It's Tony Robbins. Oh, I didn't know this about your mother. My mother like has passed like the master university. My mom one time it was like she's really into. Tony. My mom is obsessed with Tony Robbins, like pretty sure if Tony Robbins was ever available. She would have married him like. So she loves Tony Robbins. She made me go to a seminar of his no comment. But Tony how this ties into Jesus by the way, I'm like because she thinks Tony Robbins is going. No, my mom loves her empowerment and her life coaches, and Tony Robbins is just the man fit for her. And she's doing great. So it's working. I'm pretty sure at this point she's gone to enough Tony Robbins meetings. Like Tony Robbins knows her probably like she's been going. She's also a wallflower. She's like, oh, she's not at all. Right. And she's like done the fire. Walk a bunch of times and the poll jump and all that chiefs too into it. Anyway on her quest for God. She was a Tony Robbins meeting where else to go. Stugotzs that man does it all. And so he had a specific conference called date with destiny, which apparently is one of the more luxurious events hosts. And at one point in the seminar, Tony Robbins, did this thing where in hindsight. It was some sort of hypnotism. That's the best my mom can call it where you have to think about basically, he has you thinking about very like small things about like trying to get you like to totally like tunnel vision in and focus on social small things. So it was like think about your hand think about your foot think about your hand when you were five what did it look like what it think barefoot when you were five nothing about when you were seven when you were nine think about like when you were little what was a happy experience when you're little think about like when you felt most loved what you were most proud of and my mom for some reason like could not think of anything, and so she had a mental breakdown in the middle of the seminar and gosh, everyone was like thinking of happy moments, and she was just crying her eyes out. And apparently like hyperventilating. She was like. Her exact words were wiping the snot off of her face, my mom had passed she. She is a strong woman. But she could not remember anything really good in in that moment. At least like she's definitely has had good moments. A lot of pressure on at least at one point discovered ice cream like she's okay? A highlight. And so she was having to think of all these really specific things and to your members being told to think about the pressure on her feet releasing from the ground and the pressing into the ground releasing again, just a lot of breathing exercises. And he was giving this guided meditation about a place that had any impact for you. And basically an animal guide was gonna come find you, right? So her animal was a bird and the bird grabbed her and took her to Rio at Christ, the redeemer statue statue with the basically parents she said, it's a statue Jesus. The size of like, the statue of liberty in his arms around very white statue. I think I've seen it before. I've I've never been anything. But so in her like hypnotic state of just like crying and thinking nobody loves her. And she can't think of a moment where she was proud and this bird took her to Rio at the statue had she been there. She had been there. But like, I don't I can't imagine. She went. To that place net. Like, religiously impact her I mean, she's clearly like does not know where she is on a spiritual level or best place my life. And so it like brought her to that spot, and she was crying because she felt like nobody ever loved her childhood. And all of a sudden this statue came alive, and Jesus hugged her and held her and talk to her and told her that she was never alone. He's always been there. And she was so worthy of love. And she still says even on the phone today when I asked her about this. She said it's the most loved she's ever felt in her entire life. She's never felt a hug or being held so strongly ever since. Oh my gosh. She says that she tries to remember the feeling all the time. She remembers the joy, and the she's the joy the content. The love I still think about it at night. And I'm convinced God was speaking to me. But and she was like she said, even though I was crying my eyes out. And everyone else was having a really happy experience. I'm the only one that got hugged by Jesus. So they're they're Tony Robbins. A great story. But so for those things to happen to someone who likes still isn't like a devout anything. It's very interesting affirming almost like you need to know what you're doing. She's like, he's got it. Someone's got it. So then my last story is the one that I have mentioned before the DC sniper, right? Which my mom was almost victim of hoping. We'd get to the story. Well, hope no more. So my mom was prefacing the whole sniper with like asking if I remember anything because her memory of like when she realized that DC sniper was a big deal. And I had been hearing about it at school. I was ten right. She knew that it was a really serious thing. When apparently the grocery store that we would always go to one time we went after school, and she told me that I had to lock all the doors when she got out of the car, and I had to hide under the glove compartment. And she remembers me asking to borrow her cell phone. So I could call the police in case I saw her get shot. I don't remember. But I do remember that time. I remember like me. And I remember my friend Cole. I was with him one night. And I remember his mom like told all of us in the car like we have to run into the store. But when we get out just run don't look back rate God. And so I remember little things like that. But. Hi, oh. And being scared, and like I was not even in the vicinity, so I can't imagine. And and I remember that whole year they had like black paper up on all the windows and the schools and all of our P classes had to be done in our actual classroom. So I remember that whole year. We just said jumping jacks like by our desks just so we would have PE, but we weren't allowed to leave. And then we had a lot of our teachers were ex military, right? And so usually go outside and do carpool. At the end of every day. We were all in our rooms and like military teacher by military. This is terrifying. You'll wall and like have run to the cars, and do you remember anything because you're in Virginia too? Sorry, someone yelled at us for not for not having a microphone for you. I definitely remember the timeframe. And I think we were not that we were that we weren't worried about about that we were so far out in the country. We had less fear. I think there's less like direct because we are the places we went were like such small country stores to a lot of the times too. I mean, we definitely had parking lots and things like that too. But most of the time we were going to like under roads still stores. So I don't think we had that like same direct. But I definitely remember watching what was happening and being like, oh my God. This is so yeah, I'm being that age of like, you're like learning about oh shit really exists in this happens to people who don't deserve it. Right. And so I remember that. And there was also Fredericksburg was a specifically scary area because we are right between DC and Richmond. So we're usually like a hot spot like we're right off the highway. Right. So usually things are happening in DC. If they're going to happen in Richmond. They happened on Fredericksburg. I like it's like a trans. Yeah. It's like a lot of like. Like a lot of drugs come through Fredericksburg to go between the two cities and stuff like that. So sex trafficking za big thing. Yeah. So we were right next to the highway. So that was just something that people really concerned about. But all that being said my mom's story with it is that. Oh, right. I'm like already talking about Linda. So there was my mom her territory. She's a financial adviser. I'm not gonna say where but that's her job or she covers territory and travels a whole lot and she travels specifically in the DNB the DC Maryland Virginia area, which is exactly where this guy was was his territory apparently. And so my mom's situation with it was that she dropped me off at school one morning and right across the street, like maybe not like two streets down across the street still within like basically view of the school. There is a gas station and there were two cars in front of her. It was obviously morning rush. So. So people were waiting to their turns again to the for the gas my mother because she was wyndha- was in a hot pink pantsuit. We've gotten like little snippets of like she's wearing hot pants like strengths for short. She's a red coat. She's also g like literally just had like the dispatch like tequila shut off for the night before the police party. I mean, like, I imagine what was a crop top. I mean, I just like everything she did was just like growing into another twinkle into another twinkle of what would become this podcast like she just had a child to report all of us. Everyone molding us before we ever knew she had no idea. Also, she was forming child with quite point casts past fair point. So she was waiting in line to get her gas at the gas station, obviously, not the grocer. Thank you. And she was checking her voicemail and she got a call from one of her clients. I'm just gonna say I was Bobby. And usually Bobby was a really chill nice guy. But on this particular day, even though it never happens. He was hissed off. And so my mom was really paranoid. And was like I need a call. Him like, I'll just get gas later. I can't I can't handle this. I gotta go. And so she went to choose like, maybe she was late for the meeting or something like that. But she frantically was just like compelled like, oh, I can't handle this. I need to go on the front and get to where I already so she was the next in line for the car for the gas respraying for that last to fill up even though that car was done with their gas. She backed out and she pulled over says you still on the parking lot. But she liked pulled over by the corner, right where she could check her phone for bobby's number, right? And so she was still on the lot and saw what happened and basically as she backed away another car came onto the lot and pulled in to the gas like she was before to to the pump where she was going to be right because now that that previous guy had driven off. It was now available. She backed away. So someone took her place and got out of his car and went to pump tank, and I was the guy that got shot and holy fuck. And her reasoning for why like. It was going to be heard because she was in a hot pink pantsuit. She's like that's an easy target. And she was like this guy was setting up to be able to shoot me. I got away like I drove away five feet, and this guy came in and his gun was probably already set up. So you just wait till it happened while she was there. Yeah. So she saw it happen. Holy because she was still she only backed away in the pulled over and then this moments later. Yeah. And so it would have been that like like did she have to say there too? And yeah. So she had to. This is that's horrifying, dude. Yeah. That's I mean, I don't even know what it would my mom's like, she's a very emotional person in some ways. And then like, I guess when things are like too hard to handle she doesn't think about them. She like compartmentalize too. Well, my mom, and so I feel like I could have asked her like what it feels like to know that that could do. And I think she just doesn't let herself think about it. So. So the guy took her spot he got shot. And then the thing that she actually remembers the most is as soon as it happened. She already had her phone now she's about to call someone. She called my school to be like, hey, someone would have just got killed in from the sniper like two blocks away from the from the school. And they said, oh, yeah. We already know we're in lockdown, and she's like, how do you fucking? No. I just watched the guy like there's no better source than me. How is the school already under lockdown? So that was like that's her biggest memory of it is just like impressed that the school was on top of shit. Yes. Asli? So she basically had to wait as a witness, and every witness had to stand at least ten feet away from each other in different circles because they didn't want anyone stories crossing. So she she actually is one of the only people who ever saw the actual car because at that point and the DC sniper time line they were still looking for an unmarked van like a white van, and she's one of the only people who ever saw the cranberry car, but. Holy shit, and she was actually on the original witness list. But she never got called dude pro and probably because she my mom has like novitiate left like she's like got really fucked up is. And so the probably like just realized that her vision was not well until like her testimony wasn't great. But so she's one of the only people who remember the car and she remembers because she used to one of the things one of the company she invested in was like a company that leased out, trucks and ships and things like that. And so a lot of their cars parked out front right in that area. And so she always drove by just saw what cars were sitting out there. And that car was sitting car and never been there before and she was like dot car doesn't fit it doesn't fit in with the rest. Yeah. And so I don't think she actually said anything to the cops. I think she's kind of felt like, oh, they must have put a new car on the lot. 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And now that I've these glass in front of me it all came rushing back. Okay. I was intentionally avoiding in case you didn't wanna talk about. Okay. Let's go. Listen. We're timeout. Like extra mother figures in our lives and L. And we're talking about scary things. It was very scary. Everyone was a little scared. She shows up. I mean, I know she doesn't listen to this foreign I don't think it shows up with her dress completely dipped. And it's like she has mink throw on like a mink fur coat situation are the ones that deter. So she walks in. She looks over to Ellison says Hello and. Fucking rips her mink coat off. And it's like am is it and Allison was like, oh, no, no. You're not all the way down to the to the and then south unzipped or up. We're at dinner, you totally this. So we have first of all this giant handbag with apparently forty five framed photos of me, just different ones that she gathered from the house and she walked under house with his giant person. Just like dumped photos of me, and then went to blazes parents hersal dinner that they had set up and put photos of me all over the room. Not bolaise like has a five year old random household framed. Portraits of St. framed photos of me all over the place, and I'm like, okay, whatever, you know. It's a sweet sentiment. She gives her speech it's written on a legal pad. She calls me. Her living doll twice which really made everyone a little uncomfortable twice never done that before the whole time, you you till your purse, and then I'll give like audience opinion. Don't you worry? I mean, I saw everybody was like an portfolios. Parents have never met her before. And I'm like, oh, great. So he's giving the speech calls me a living doll. I'm like this is not a shocker to anybody. He's just weird. And then at the end of the speech, she gives a toast, and I'm like, okay. I wasn't terrible. She and she asked for a second glass of wine. And I'm like that's weird because she has to bless avoid. And I'm like that weird. But it's like she's about to give speech and she's like excuse me waiter. I need another glass of wine. So she's like two full blast. That's so she's giving her speech. She says toes. Cheers. Whatever throws. I mean, literally throws her head back and like faces this class Linda out a police party yet. Just I mean picture picture it fucking faces spa wine turns around and hurls glass into the granite staircase behind her and just shatters everywhere, and the whole place just goes fucking quiet when you hear a NATO shit. And of course, I go I'll clean it. And it was like Christmas down. And she says I thought everyone would get more excited. And it's like what the fuck is happening. And then the server comes over first of all she's a real bitch and she walks over. And she looks at me, and she's like I have never seen anything like this like do. And she goes to my stepmother like what were you thinking? And my stepmom goes, oh, it's family tradition. And I was like, no, no. I don't know what family that's not ours. So anyway, it was quite an experience. I just wanted to throw that out there. Now, you can tell your side my side is I had never met your step mom, but I was prepared. I heard some stories rows like she's she's a little different. That's fine. And so also I'm from like, a wildly dysfunctional family in many ways. And so I was like this is nothing. I've never seen before. And so I met her and I'd forgot about the main part? But yes, she was doing that. She had that. And then she asked us zipper up. I made housands of prep. I don't want to be a part of that. I tried to help her with the pictures. She was very actively against me assisting her at all she was like this is my job. And I was like, okay. Sure. You can okay. It's your job that no one assigned. I don't have power. And so then we all I I was sitting down at a table with all the Christians. Like hometown, friends, and who had met at the bachelorette party, and I feel like I'd met Rene before. And I was with Lisa and Zandi alley. And so we are all together. And at first like, we were all kind of laughing because we all thought like, oh, she's like dipping her quirky. So yeah, I didn't think there was any harm to it. And then like she called you a living doll and in my head. I was like, oh, that's like definitely an inside joke in are just don't get it later. I found out there was I mean, it is nowadays. I am part of being like, this is just something. I don't understand but all like all chuckle along because like, obviously, someone gets it. But no one got it. Everyone was apparently laughing out of like, very strange. I've known you for twenty one years. Well, my favorite part was she also she didn't know how to pronounce your name, and she was like shoes. Like, oh, I'm Christina's Christina's stepmother. Oh, but is it Christina Christina shoe, saying it out loud to people? And I was like listen if you don't know about twenty years, this is not. My family all calls me, Christina. And I think sometimes she's like, I don't know what to call you in front of other people, and I'm like calling Christine literally. That's what you call me. That's from the audience few were like, this is I don't even opposite reason. This is the exact opposite day to like in in the middle of a speech to figure out the payments. And then we were like, oh, those kind of funding the living doll thing. Like oh. That was kind of funny. And then she like did the cheers thing where like every because I don't drink. I got the best view of the whole house where like my head wasn't tilted back sipping and cheers. I was watching her. And she like literally face this whole glass like you said, and then she actually kind of charged the she took over running stuff like a step, and then she likes through with all her might and the whole thing shattered. And that was when all of us were like, oh, it's not funny anymore. Oh, no. The only other person a better view than you was the videographer who I happen to hire thinking why did I do that? There's no reason I hired a video for like. Oh, yeah. There was. A couple of speeches like is fine. You know, my like blaze dad said really speech, and it was like fine. And then the guy was like, well, I'm just gonna because he's like, I don't really people don't like themselves being taped eating, and I was like okay fair. So we just kinda hung out. And I was like damn, you know, like, there's no reason I paid extra for this. And then that happened and his is worth every penny. Literally like, tell me and he's like, don't worry. And then he played in slow MO for me like four times. He's like I have a whole plan for this cliff. And he goes, and he likes stayed long because he's like this is a riot. And he's like I wish I could go to the wedding tomorrow. And I was like, okay. That's kind of nice compliment. I think I don't know. I mean, like truly if if that's the worst thing that happened at your wedding you too. Great wedding. Yeah. I mean, right. And it's a story. And then at the end my favorite part, which before she walked off. She went tradition and then just. Family tradition. And I'm like who am you telling that to anyway? But before I know you're not going to be you're too humble, the same thing, but Christina very nice thing. Hersal dinner where she had remembered the cake hosting that blaze had a very specific interest in an amaretto cake, right and ended up not being their wedding cake flavor. But she remembered that blaze just went fuck in bananas for this cake. And so after hersal center Christine made an effort to already have an Moretto cake designed for blaze and presented to his family after rehearsal dinner Yankees. And they all there was a baseball on top of it. And we try to eat about the way it was styrofoam. So oh. But no, she I know she won't actually sit on her own, but it was very cute and very well thought out in q very kind and thank you to Rene for going to the bakery, and the hotel remained everyone for me when things weren't quite going as planned and they worked out great. Thank you. Yeah. Those fun. I forgot about that. It was a little overshadowed by my stepmom. But what? Our lives when you know. Right. Extra mother sometimes things go their way. Five an extra mother to extra fathers counting all the past one. So I am it's fun dysfunction is fund. That's why funds in the word. That's why M and I have a podcast. Okay. Anyway, the movie was my Halloween story. Okay. I actually do have a Halloween story for you guys today. Okay. He's cobwebs are going to be the end of us wrapped infix webs on for one moment. Okay. So this. Sorry. My wine is in the way. When isn't it? There. So this is a theme signed different to or like picked like different stories and made like a little montage love it little lay. If you will this is a series of ouija board related murders. Yeah. So there were a lot. And I was like, oh, I I was like taking all of the stories down. And then it got so long than I was like holy shit. I have to like hand select stories because there were so many, which is deeply disturbing. But yes, let's begin. So these two stories I got from one of my favorite websites mysterious universe dot org. Just a fun time weird shit on there. It's great. So this is an article by Brett sponsor, and I'm gonna read to excerpts not read them, but I'm going to relate to here. Yeah. Two stories that he told in the article. Okay. So I agree on November eighth nineteen thirty-three woman named Dorothea Irene early and her fifteen year old daughter Mattie who lived in Prescott Arizona decided to play with their weedy board. Is it? We are. We we g we I'm sure it's actually I've been told that it's I don't know. I just I just say we board which we I'm sure is not accurate. So we like we and ya'll like German-French. Yes. Yeah. I think that's what I'm trying to say. But I don't remember word. I think there's some there's some way that no one actually pronounces it. That is the correct way to say it I'd say we will then we're absolutely not going to say that way. Okay. Great. So so Dorothy was reportedly a regular user of her board in a firm believer in it. She consulted it for. Wide variety of purposes in her life, including financial advice. She tried to find buried gold with it. Like, she's using it for all the right reasons, all the right reasons. And so during the session with her daughter at one point the planet hovers over the board and spells out instructions for Matty, the fifteen year old to kill her father. When he's finished milking the cows, so Dorothea is like, oh, well, you got to do it and the daughter's like no clearly looking for a way out of that relationship wasn't. Well, the board says she's like shoving the planet like. And she's like apparently she said to her daughter, quote, the board could not be denied. So clearly, how do you argue with that? I don't know. So the board actually reassured them that no one would find out about the board was like your mom's. Right. We'll find won't tell. Like you secret is safe with me. So the two even allegedly went as far as to contact the spirit with cards. They were like, well, maybe if we contact them with Tara cards, but the spirit confirmed that yes, he wanted them to kill her father. So when Ernest Hurley the father comes in for milking the cows. Matty takes the shotgun and blasts her father two times in the back blast. He's doing chores, and he didn't die right away. It was just very upsetting. He died two weeks later at the hospital. And the mother daughter pair were arrested for the crime and Mattie claimed it was all an accident. She said she was walking around thirty feet behind her father when she tripped on the gun went off. But the thirties we're not even a little bit convinced because he had been shot in the same spot twice in the VO very close range. So that did not fly with them. So Matty, finally buckled. She confessed that the board had ordered to do it. And that she could not resist. It's dark power Dorothea was also. Arrested, and then he came out that she had actually wanted her husband dead because she was having an affair with another married. So she did one out of that relationship that real quick. And also like lever fucking daughter out of it. What the hell no just killing yourself. Well, but I mean like truly like, well the board made you not me like what? Anyway, that's just extra manipulation on already horrible situation. Xactly? So in the end, Mattie, the fifteen year old was sentenced to a state reformatories school for attempted murder. All my good. I know and she was paroled. I mean, she did shoot him twice. But. Yeah. Received pro three years later and Dorothea was convicted of assault with intent to commit murder. Yes. She like even knew she wasn't going to get in trouble from runner ca- St. made her daughter too. So fucked up with intent to commit murder for what she got a fifteen year to life sentence. But it was overturned a couple years later by the supreme court, and she was freed and of story and of stores listed, by the way. These are like some of the light-hearted ones. Like, there's some in there where I was like, whoa. Really? Yeah. There's somewhere got like real messed up and then like racism came into play really dark deep topic for. I was like this is going to be has to be like its own episode. Okay. So fast to two thousand one on the night of February eleven fifty three year old Carol. Sue elevator is using a weedy bored. With her daughter Tammy Roach, along with her two granddaughters age fifteen eleven at their home in mink. Oklahoma, carol. Sue apparently receives a message from the board that her daughter Tammy's husband, thirty four year old former mayor of mink. O'brien Roach was corrupted by evil and had to die. A lot of scorned women, it seems so like these guys are minding their own business. You know? And then it's like, he's Alison doesn't use a ouija believe is this. What you're always telling me, not to I think, so I just don't want Alison near it at the same time as you as corrupted by you, the order was apparently so compelling that the woman fetched a knife went to the room where Brian was napping and stabbed him in the chest. How compelling can you be when it takes like ten seconds to do a letter letters sentence? Although when you play ouija board, and it's like building up to a word and you're like, oh, no spelling the word got ours. Never said killing K, literally spells gin, and yeah, it's like I like dogs and in a dog named Gabe. And I like, Jen. Yeah. So what else do you like whiskey? Yes. Okay, alcohol. Yeah. We get it. We get it. Sorry. I need if he wants a mind feel free. Sorry about this for you. Just in case. Such an asset. Elite didn't even actually the lid is super cool because it has a little like open close. Biko Jesus blazes dead described them as almost turbos off brand. TV more the blue ones. No, these were actually the only ones left. I didn't get any. So we went like digging for some says I won't win and blaze get one either. Because like, we were busy aren't they cute? Yes. Finish it. Please. Don't brought another one come on. This isn't this isn't your first time here. Our also about this. Because people remember posted the bottle and Instagram or something, and everyone was like have you tried the dark one, and it looked kinda creepy. So I bought it is a good idea. We're going to find it. Oh, is it one more intense? What the hell does that mean? The more better more sweet. Like a stronger flavor. A more robust real there. It is. I mean, I'm kinda sore. I know I'm Linda trial. I like know what's going on you. It's like in your bones. Whether you like it or not like just through Osmo says, I kind of know what it tastes. Okay. You can just look at me and be like not my thing. Okay for me. Okay. So Bubba sorry. I had to get you some wine. Well, somehow, I forgot to offer it somehow it just slid right down my gullet, drinking it to offer it to anyone else. Okay. Even you down that and then run over to a marble staircase into shatters. It actually is really fortuitous that they brought plastic tumbler wine glasses eight and my stepmom fucking smashed the restaurants glass on they probably like great. Glad we acquit her with a plot to give it to her five minutes earlier dinner at the fucking wedding. We're getting served our dinner. My dad is giving a toast, and I just see this glass shatter on the ground, and I look up and my stepmother sitting there, and she goes, I just see her mouthing words because she's too far away. And I it wasn't on purpose. I swear, and I'm like how many fuck, of course. It was on purpose. It's family tradition. Living doll you living. All you gotta stick to your guns. If you're going to say, it's a tradition. Okay. So let's move on here. Okay. So she gets the knife. She stabbed him in the chest. And the others just stand there and watch as he bleeds to death. Currently just like watch glasses shatter. Yeah. And just quiet down. And don't really like the killer than say tradition. Family tradition. You wouldn't understand? Sorry. I don't want to overplay that. It was just a perfect timing. Perfect. Make a joke about him not being living doll anymore. But that's. Maybe I don't know. Oh, it makes you cringe. But it was also. Well, well, well, what do you like when I say I was going to say a joke to like test it out without getting the brunt of like I mean, you'll probably hear everyone else across America. Anyway, Brian was no longer there living doll. He let out unfortunately and passed away. But apparently Brian's death was not enough to satisfy Carol sues bloodless, then she decided to turn the knife on her own ten year old granddaughter frantically trying to kill the girl before Tammy her daughter managed to stop her and get the knife away. Oh, no. Then all of them all four of them. So grandma, mom and two kids. Ten get in the car and drive off Tammy is hoping to help her mother like escape from the crime. And it's like what the fuck are you doing mom like why would you give car, but I'm saying another pack your daughter like your ten year old. Yeah. Let's enclose ourselves at top speed. So guess he's driving grandma. Yep. So grandma's driving. And she intentionally plows into a sign post in an attempt to kill everyone in the car because now she's convinced that they only to die when that didn't work. She Carol sue who would suffer to broke. Ankles in the crash tried to shove her fifteen year old granddaughter into oncoming traffic, then that also didn't work so she hobbled off with broken ankles into the woods nearby stripping all her clothes off as she went. Then law enforcement arrived, and they were like what the fuck is going on like, nobody. This is the scene they walked onto like, it's really traditional. Listen, grandma has her way. She. Okay. So she's caught she's wandering through the woods naked. Right. So she's charged with first reminder in the death of her son in law sentence to time at a psychiatric hospital, and then Tammy was convicted of being an accessory to murder, but that was dropped later. And then in the aftermath a thirties like looked into Carol sue she had no history of mental illness or strange behavior. No sign of drugs. No alcohol. No substance. No history of substance abuse. They no sign of domestic problems. Like, none of them disagreed, even or like didn't get along with each other. It was like otherwise really happy household. And so there was literally no strange like just the liberal overcame or like there was nothing weird in. So they don't know what happened. They still don't know. It was never figured out one possession like what came over her. Yeah. But she feared claimed basically from the beginning to the end like the board made her do it. Assistant district attorney Brett burns in the county would later say, quote, it's amazing how the grandmother was able to let this we'd aboard consume her life. So I think basically they just think she got so wrapped up in like believing it that when it gave her this command. She just was like, well, this what I have to do. There's no other explanation. So that's the second story. Now, we're going to take a little side road into a different territory of award murder. Okay. Did you know many sides of divorced parter because I did not I didn't either. So we're trying to nineteen Ninety-four. Oh, good. And at this point, Stephen young, a thirty five year old insurance broker was on trial. So the murder has already happened. He's on trial for the death of Harry Nicolo fuller who had been found dead on the floor of their home a year. Earlier Nicola had been shot three times in Harry was shot in the back at close range. So there's this brutal murder that this guy. Steven young is on trial for the jury hears the case. And then they go to the hotel where they're staying and as. The other slept four of the jurors group together around a homemade ouija board that they had made from a piece of paper and a hotel room wine glass. This is literally us on torture and like talk to lately it is. I was like. Oh, getting tips. A little more fucked up because they decided to try and contact the murder the souls of the murdered victims. Oh that had been shot before. Gotcha. So wonder named Ray took charge of addressing the spirit and dented itself as Harry fuller, the men who had been shot right asked who killed you. And the glass built out Stephen young done it specific he said Facebook how well the guys on trial Stephen O M, it's ninety four. Well, so I guess it's going to work. So that, but I mean, Steve Young's literally the one that they're on the jury for. Yeah. Right. So they said the glass said Stephen young done it. And then Ray said how and the glass build shot. So the jersey what do we do what we do and the glass apparently spilled out vote guilty tomorrow. So by the end of the say on some of the jurors were crying if you were like shit. We like really went too far this is inappropriate. And then what they ended up doing was. Going to their rooms and agreeing not to tell anybody else, including the other jurors what they had done, but a few weeks later, a headline emerged in international papers across the world that read murder juries ouija board verdict and people were fucking furious. Sounds like implanted her refine just chose to tell everyone that wait. What do you mean? Like, it's I would imagine like someone using ouija board like just spelt that out just hoping other people be freaked out. Yeah. I mean, I think people were pissed like why are they using a we this isn't a joke. Let's fair. But my first one is like, oh, it's it's a trap. I don't know. I mean, the guy was guilty. Any like, I don't think there was really a question. Whether he had. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know people were just pissed because it's like this was one of the most high profile trials like. And then these jurors like make it kinda tabloid headline. I don't know. So the case ended up being one of the most high profile examples of juror misbehavior in the world would really interesting about like juror misbehavior, which apparently is like very common like one time. They found out during a high profile trial half the jurors were playing Sadako like they'd all shared like their Sedova who book, and we're all like doing Sadako while goes talking about like what he's murder something like people, I don't know apparently shit goes down with these Dury's. And actually this jury that used the ouija board was already the second jury because the first set had been replaced because they had been played a tape of the emergency call that Nicola fuller had made between being shot like she got shot. And then she called nine one one. And they played that tape, and it's like deeply gruesome upsetting. And I guess they the jury only lasted one day before one of them was like I can't do this anymore. So they already had to like, basically retrial the whole thing. So the judge asked for an entire new jury after that and the problem with juror misbehavior, apparently it's really harmful and costly especially with like a high profile traumatic case like this one because you have to do a whole retrial. So that puts everyone, including the judge the staff the accused witnesses jurors like the families through like they've just have to start the entire process over again. It's like it's expensive, and it's also like re traumatizing everyone. So basically they had already replaced the whole jury and started over and then right as finishing up the trial. They find out that these jurors are like fucking using ouija boards, and like trying to contact spirits, and you know, whatever so they had to start the whole thing over again for the third time, which was just really messy. And in the end, Stephen young either way was given to life sentences for the murder of Harry and Nicola fuller. Kind of upsetting. Nicole Fuller's father said that we jurors made a complete joke of our daughter's death, which is just devastating, but one author actually speculated that the jurors weren't trying to play games they were simply trying to find a way to cope with the gruesome ordeal. They were being faced with. So who's to say what their motivations were? But either way like they don't fucked up, right? And finally, this one is a story I found a longtime ago, and I had it bookmarked, and I was trying to find a way to tell the story and it was too short to like us as an episode. And I thought this was a perfect way to do it. It is a story of a ouija board being used to convict a murder. Yeah. From atlas obscure dot com. My favorite. That's my favorite. Really? Yeah. Oh, good series universe. We combined. Our? Yeah. Our faith. So this takes place in Greenbrier county. West Virginia in eighteen ninety seven January twenty third eighteen ninety seven a man named razzmatazz trout Shue who worked at the local blacksmith shop sent a boy from the shop to his home to check his wife Zona needed anything from the store. So the boy runs on his Aaron to Raza's house. And when he gets there he finds Raza's wife Zona dead on the floor of their home. And he's like fuck. So mean, maybe not, but q imagine a little boy fuck, what are they in eighteen ninety seven that will I drink my one, I have no idea what they would say probably something more godly. I mean. I mean to be on its just picture the word fuck, but like with those like gothic letters. Like old timey SpongeBob starting SS. Yes. Just. So the boy runs back to the blacks shop and his like fuck your. Fuck your wife is dead. And okay. So this is a little confused at the story because they changed rosina's to Eddie. I don't know if that's like it's nickname or what because they didn't specify. But I'm just going to Eddie. 'cause it's a lot easier than saying arouse, MRs five seconds. So I assume that's his nickname. So doctors notified Eddie grabs. His wife's body carries. Her upstairs to their bed like hold onto hers. Like, grieving never leaves her side. The doctor doesn't have time to do full topsy for whatever God knows. What reason? So he does a hasty autopsy, which hasty and autopsy or not two words, I imagined should go. If I were to ever have an autopsy myself, I would hope the exact opposite of the behavior. Hasty very unhealthy. Autopsy. Right. So they do a hasty autopsy and they determine now get this determined zone as cause of death to be quote everlasting faint for lasting faint. It just like just. Fallen over and can't get up. It's just that bullshit of like, oh, women are just hysterical. And she was so historical. She died. Well, sometimes people think that's gonna we'll maybe my Batory. But about me, sometimes I feel so historical time. Okay. So everlasting faint. Now. I know what to call it. Next time. It happens to me, right? I'm sorry. I'm suffering from everlasting faint right now. Guys. It's going to be we'll Heil actually really appreciate it. If you were a little more conscientious than aware of like disease. I'm going through condition of what faint something you're lasting everlasting. Yeah. Okay. I'll try to be more try to educate you. But it's really not my judge only so much we can do. So I don't know by now, I just proudly don't wanna know it like maybe maybe says Ona's bodies transferred to her parents home about five miles away. Eddie has dressed her in what he said was her favorite dress, beautiful high neckline gown, and he complimented this coun- with her favourite scarf. Wow. Wow. I was like this is very specific detail during the entire viewing before her burial Eddie held his wife's head sobbing Zona mother, Mary is like something is fucking going on with Eddie. He's being a bit weird turns out, she never trusted him. Didn't even like that. They were getting married like from the beginning was not on board with relationship. But there's nothing she could do Zona was buried endzone 'as mother, Mary basically after the funeral prayed night after night begging the spirit of her daughters ONA to cross back over and speak to her because she was like, I have unanswered questions. I need you to appear to me and tell me what really happened. So she just knew Eddie had something to do with onus deaths for like, she could feel it and she had no way of proving. So finally after nights of kneeling and praying Zona appeared to her she said Eddi did this. He crushed my neck. He squeezed a life from me. And then this haunting went on for many nights appeared to her mother every single night and finally marry notified the authorities. And she was apparently so like. Convincing that they actually agreed to examine the body into a full topsy on the corpse. So the local school full on hasty this time on hasty. Autopsy the local schoolhouse. This is just like detail that kinda corrects me band, disturbs me the local schoolhouse was emptied of children. So that they could perform the autopsy clear out doing outside. I'm just thinking of your sniper story. It's like the opposite. The local squats was emptied zones body was carried in and the entire time. Eddie screaming, you'll never prove. I did it and Mary's just like did what? Because like known as fucking like keystone of anything. He's like you'll never provide. Did it? Already speaking from self before defending himself, and she's like did what? So when they perform the autopsy was confirmed that Zona neck had indeed been broken her throw in her windpipe had been crushed, which now makes sense why he put her in that high net caller and was like hold her head and sobbing like wouldn't let anyone near him and around her neck. Yeah. Around her neck or head. They found out her windpipe had been crushed and throw had been crushed. So when the case went to trial the defense brought up zone as like ghosts citing and was trying to make her seem insane by being listened. You can't trust this lady's testimony. She sees ghosts. Or she thinks she sees goes. But the jury was so convinced by the story that like it swayed them to believe her because they were like this sounds very convincing ghost which after this. We aboard. Sorry. I'm like, I mean to be on this seems like they're very paranormal right inclined inclined. They believed her story. In residence was sentenced to life in prison where he died only three years later Mary never saw her daughters. Ona's ghost? And nobody else had ever reported seeing her spirit, but her body was once again buried and sewn is now known as the Greenbrier ghost. And his her story is the only known case in which the testimony of ghost helped to convict a murderer. That's so much more information than what I told the story that was like you told the story. Didn't. Yeah. What the fuck? No, I, but I told like shit. I don't remember that. No, probably because my information was so shitty. Compared to that. You like I know any of that. Which was it was it was no it was an episode where I told like multiple wage aboard stories. Oh, I don't remember. It was a while ago. But I remember Zona, and I remember it was like I remember that. I literally just was no this story's been my bookmarks for two years. I remember though, you saying when I told the story I've had the. No, no, it's fine. Because like the information I got was such shit compared to the beginning. We're like, yeah. Yeah. I'm knows the story. Not only did you know at all. Yeah. Like 'cause I was like, yeah. Helped convince head. No, no, like, I didn't know anyone's name. The only thing I knew is that a woman found out about her daughter's murder, and then the zoom the body and like armed. But I didn't know anyone remember that. I didn't remember I know the next thing like wearing a high collar or hugging I know knew that so few I live in. We did it revisitation. It's amazing that we completely different topics. And somehow we still cross like it's like it's like it's meant to be. It's fate fated to be together. Anyway. So those are my ouija board murder stories week, happy Halloween one point. Oh. So thank you. Everybody for listening. We have a couple of things to say surprise. We have something to say who would have thought I we recently by recently. We mean last week, and it's already out. We did an episode crossover episode with adulting. Yes. Mental health comedy podcast. And Stephen Chris we have both individually been on that show. But this was our first time together for their Halloween episodes. So we talked about a whole things we talked about different favorite candies movies. We talked about weird Halloween costumes. We had one of the ones that made an appearance was when I dress as white trash one year. And I went in a white garbage. Can and my mom literally glued garbage on me. So you know, if you wanna enjoy just barely barely missed the cut for the traumatizing one day. I'll just do a whole may from others. Just like nothing paranormal just tell you all about how my mother raised me. And how I came to the oh me too. Just how her show? But yeah, if you wanna if you wanna hop on over it is dull ting. They're really great. We really like it was so fun. And like I felt really honored because they were like, well we were doing our Halloween up so planning in we thought, oh, well, they have to be on. That's such an honor that we were the Halloween. Stephen on the show is also one of the many people who have sent Christina DVD copy of focus, focus. Correct. And I had already watched it by the time it came up in the show. So you hear me lying through my teeth saying, I'm never gonna watch that. 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I'll be quiet, we're giving you your those books because eve actually has her own podcast where she covers a whole other series of books. That was the big news. I was like we have big news. But then I forgot that you said we were going to rely from that into the NFL Gwen. Sagoo us ago. Whatever I mean, what isn't a train wreck in our lives. But Eva, the only thing, but no eve has her own podcast called per normal cat to vity. Yes. You heard that right per normal cat, Tiffany and her and her sister cover the cat who series by Lillian. Lilian Jackson Braun, you know, that one. It's an apparent. There's more series will be covered. Eventually, correct. Do you wanna do your promo? Please do please. I'm sorry to put you on the spot. But guys first of all I am going to read all of these. Twenty. Yeah, we're Juliana are so excited it my sister. And I we my mom hood read, these as when we were kids, we always kind of made fun of them in the then we sort of reading them, and we're like, wait. 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Episode 419: M (1931)
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Whatever you need to get back yard. You're proud of do it right for less. Start with Lowe's offers fell through April twenty four th see store for details. USO for any lover squeeze Alaska. Hawaii. Doesn't. His name is. Advice? Back to. Than. January. He must not it came down. Michener tag out us in the north comb out of my cover. Cover yet. Welcome to the projection booth. I'm your host, Mike. Wait, you and me once again is MS Sam Degan. Hello also back in the booth. This week is Mr. Jamie divall. Thank you for having me back this week. We are discussing Fritz Lang's nineteen thirty one film 'em. It's the story of child murderer played by Peter Laurie in Berlin. During the last years of the Weimar Republic when the police failed to capture the terror Berlin, it's up to the criminal underworld to do the job. So Sam win was the first time you saw him. And what did you think? I wanna see the first time. I saw 'em was when I was a teenager maybe fifteen or sixteen and I I feel like it was some classic movie channel, maybe even the sort of early years of Turner classic movies. And I knew Peter Laurey because I grew up watching him in Vincent Price har- movies seeing his caricature in all those looney tunes cartoons. And I was totally. Unprepared. And you know, it sort of immediately became one of my favorite films, and it's one of the films that I've probably watched the most number of times at this point about your, Jamie. I would in my early twenties. And I believe it was the first pressing that criterion. Did that introduced me to the movie smites on naive? But I didn't have a great knowledge of of movies from that time period and a moderately Sutter. Now, my first thought upon watching it was like divisional languages all air. And I was thinking to myself, you know, how far have we really advanced? The interviewed a, you know, eighty or so years because it's so sophisticated that felt so moderate, and so many drawn Russia tropes that we still have today were established in that film. I felt I was very wild by. I think I saw this one at the Detroit film theatre the first time though, I had an exposure to it before that and didn't really know what the heck was going on. There was a bumper for MTV years and years ago, I think it was the early nineties maybe late eighties. Where was Peter Laurie drawing of him or maybe it was a screen capture or something and he's got the MTV logo on his shoulder and he's running away from that? And he's looking back looking at it. So when I finally saw 'em, and we have that famous scene of him looking at his shoulder and seeing the M on his shoulder. And chalk I was like, oh, okay. Now it all clicks. And yet to your point, Jamie. I also was definitely not that familiar, and this is one of. Those films that was done in that transition from silent movies to sound movies is a lot of silent parts and hear the silence is used brilliantly. The sound is used brilliantly. They're doing things in nineteen thirty one when the jazz singer came out, and what nineteen twenty eight I think it was twenty seven may be don't quote me on that. And all ready there off the charts when it comes to using sound so effectively bridging scenes using sound motifs all of these things that you really wouldn't think that would be possible. So really in the sound age. But yeah, it's there that grammars there the grammar of the films are there. Everything is beautiful. And I can't believe just how well this film is made much less. How effective it still is all these years later not to be contrarian right off the bat. But I think when you say, you know, you watch a film like this. And you can't believe how far moviemaking came in a couple years in terms of of sound. But I think if you compare this to other films from thirty thirty one it's clear that it's mostly long, a not just sort of overall health, comfortable people were because I think there was this sort of pressure for him to include more sound, and he just sort of, you know, in his authority authoritarian kind of dictatorial way, sort of waved his hand was like no this is what I'm doing. Because this is the right language for the film. And it just constantly amazes me. How you know? Jamie said this a couple of minutes ago, amazes me how he makes it seem just so effortless. His use of all these John retro PEs, and even sort of visual tropes that we think of as commonplace. It just sometimes seems like he pulled them out of some sort of magical hat. Yeah. I mean, I always talk about the use of sound like Hitchcock's blackmail in how that was initially silent film than the went back in added. Sound to it than they did such a a brilliant job or reshot it to make it a sound film and Hitchcock's ready doing things like when the heroine is listening to conversation, just the word knife. Is stabbing her every time it said in that that is the ice lated word. And so to have something like this where it's a score in 'em Sam I kept thinking because there's so many times where I would expect the score to be. But it's not there. And then I kind of like that. It's not there. Yeah. No. It's fascinating the way that you're and I feel like when people talk about especially like slasher movies in the eighties. How your brain kind of tricks you into thinking you saw more than you did when it comes to violence or nudity. But he really tricks you, and I don't know if it's just that we're accustomed to hearing scores especially films from that period, like pieces of classical music other than in the hall of the mountain king. There's very little music. Used and a lot of this kind of like, incidental street noise. But there's a sort of jarring amount of silence that I think makes it so suspenseful make just the use of in the hall of the mountain king that whistling that is gonna come back. And then I was noticing rewatching again yesterday. Just how often we have whistles in the film, and that it's not just lorry that there are other whistles usually like some signals or even one guy who's like, I'm not doing anything guilty. So I'll whistle kind of whistle. But have that Wissel be there for Laurie to have his shadow be the first thing that we see over that murder sign, and then also talking about sound to have that great children's rhyme at the very beginning. With those kids in a circle and we've got circles coming back so many times in this moving. I love how begins with that circle with the little girl pointing at the people in doing kind of like a any me. Anymo-, but with like, a whore riffing little chant about the man in black was gonna come and turn you into hamburger. It is fantastic. I mean, I think what was so startling to me when I look at it from the aspect of sound was that the sound was the manically motivated. There's a lot of sounds coming from off screen that can signal danger approaching danger. Whether it's that tune he whistles or you know, a car horn with girl crossing the street. The sound is is definitely inservice to deepening your investments in the story and the themes of the movie. Yeah. Even the use of the man offscreen at one point who is singing out that he buys rags and scraps and all that kind of stuff not only does that work as far as setting the scene Berlin at that time. But also kind of like showing that there is a world outside of the window that we're. El-sisi mother is waiting for for her to come home. And then also showing us what the economic life of Germany in this particular time is I mean, this is not an easy time for people, especially as we get further into the thirties being from Detroit. I mean, everything looks rundown and completely shitty. So I'm not really sure what the cannot position of Germany is at this particular time. But then it's like, oh, yeah. It was pretty bad at this point. They were really still suffering after World War One and all this. So that there's a guy buying scraps that there's this whole criminal underworld is like okay now things are starting to add up one of the things that makes it worth watching this film sort of over and over again is just watching it once through when you're so fixated on Laurie. You don't really notice those elements that you mentioned about the guy with the scraps in these little sort of like what you call sort of economic depression signposts, and to me the sort of overall theme of the film is this idea. Ah that urban life and Madeira Nettie result in this violence, like there's this sort of inevitable quality to it. And I think that's really strongly connected to the situation that Germany was facing at the time, which you know, as you said, even though it had been a decade, they're still recovering from World War One had this really useless government and also were really really impacted by the stock market crash in the United States. And so by this time, it's basically right before the Nazis really started to turn the country around, which of course, is how they got through and became so popular is because they did make all these advancements in the lives of of ordinary Germans. And this to me is one of the sort of like great last snippets of how just miserable life was. And I think gives you an idea. Of how sort of corruption in violence is able to take root so easily because there's nowhere else for people to go. Will it helps estimated the characters are by this. Well, if you also look at the chill of children in that opening rhyme, you could say, well, that's what children do with darkness. They make a game of it. Or, you know, the the mother I think it's a crime magazine, and the people are constantly glued to the headlines there. They have this this fear. Yes. But also this morbid fascination, it seems with crew the criminal underbelly one of my favorite things about watching the sort of interplay between long and Hitchcock as their films kind of develop in the thirties and into the early forties is the way that they're both kind of equally obsessed with this media fixation on violence as entertainment it brings this sort of. I think 'em especially it brings this sort of. Added level of kind of unease when you watch the film like in some way, these people have contributed to this. And it's not just something that shows up in the film. But it's something that long saw every day. I mean, the films inspired by a number of serial killers, but one in particular named Peter curtain, and there was this huge media circus over catching him, and then especially over disclosing his crimes and how gruesome they were. And I think you're totally right. And it's sort of comment on how of repulsive Fenice will yet the whole idea of him writing to the police in him writing to the newspapers it's so reminds me stuff like the zodiac or even son of Sam Sam you mentioned in your book, a serial killer who was writing I think it was in lipstick. The help me the police can't catch me. Your those kind of things toys. He reminds me of like, you know, son of Sam where it's just like catch me before I kill again kind of thing. And that's so reminds me of what Hans Becker the Peter Laurie. Character is doing here. It's interesting to me, and I don't have an answer to this. I don't know if there is an answer. But it's interesting to me the way that you could see it develop if you follow sort of true crime and media stories, I mean, Jack the ripper allegedly sent in letters as well. So it's kind of been around since the beginning of what we would think of as a modern serial killer. But I think it's even more interesting to see the way that directors use it because certainly Hitchcock's the lodger comes out a couple years before this in twenty seven and both the lodger n M spend a lot of time showing public concern about the serial killer and sharing information about the serial killer by showing things like media headlines in the wanted paper or. The wanted poster in the very beginning of 'em. And I just find that. So fascinating, obviously. Well, researched A M because it does feel very informed in terms of the portrait makes of the Peter Lorre character, and that's a police procedural. I mean, the the steps that they take to nap him in and Mike, you mentioned zodiac, it may be it speaks to how the psychology of serial killer has really been the eternal an unchanging because, you know, the letters to the editor as you said reminded me of what we see in Sodhi act, the criminals getting together and saying we gotta do something about this guy. This guy is it's hurting us hurting our business that reminded me of summer of Sam. I mean, speaking of some Sam, so I guess maybe it also speaks to these have been kind of hallmarks of real life zero killers for ages yen to go back to the newspaper. I mean, the idea of all. All those people clamoring for the newspaper, the kid screaming, you know, that there's an extra happening. And then I love the way that we go from somebody reading it on the street. It's posted up in the reading which kinda also speaks to like, maybe not everybody is of can read possibly. But definitely like that guy. Is there center stage? He's reading it. And then the way they go from that to cutting to somebody else reading the same story, but we don't necessarily know that somebody else until they cut to the overhead shot again, the overhead shot of circle with all these I guess in Sam help me out here. They seem like kind of fat cat politicians. I'm judging almost solely off of that one guy super crazy cigar holder that he has which is just nuts. And that's one of the things that I think makes this so confusing. The first time you watch it is long draws all these parallels between the kind of upper class businessmen that. That you're talking about an yes, that's who. I think it's supposed to be in that scene. But he draws these parallels between them the police and the criminals, and he shows them all almost in the same like the same sort of configurations like sitting around these tables wearing similar clothing. And of course, that would get him into a lot of trouble because he was pretty much just showing that there's an equal level of corruption in these three groups that on the surface appear to be very different. And really, no one cares about Justice at all. They just have their own business interests in mind. That's really great cut of socio logical aspects of film that appeals to me is is very slow about the formation of mob mentality which in in some ways more terrifying than the killer out there the streets in away. Oh, totally. Agreed. And I think I don't wanna. To throw him under the bus because I don't I think Hitchcock is in amazing director, and I think the lodger is a wonderful film. But I think there are some really interesting differences between the lodger and the way that sort of mob mentality is portrayed. And just also the way a serial killer is portrayed versus 'em where in the lodger, you just kind of get this sense that at the end of the film the mob. You know spoiler alert. If you haven't seen this film that came out in nineteen twenty seven yet, or somehow don't already know the plot. But at the end of the lodger, this serial killer is found by a group of people in London, and they sort of run after him, and he winds up being apprehended after this sort of sequence where the suspect did male protagonist is kind of almost killed by the mob. But the way. The long handles the mob is so much more elegant and kind of complicated because he draws you as a viewer into their activities in it's not just the sort of violent group pushed to the brink that becomes kind of monstrous in horrifying. It's these people who are making very calculated decisions. And even if you find them distasteful you understand lung helps you understand why they're making the decisions they're making yet when it comes through the mob. I mean, the most terrifying part of this movie for me is the old man who happens to be helping the young girl in. It's just like oh my God. He's the killer, and they all go after them, and there's no talking to this mob at all it just seems like a really horrible situation that gets very bad very quick some of that, especially those sort of scenes that take place on the street are kind of meant to evoke this. This idea of how in Germany at that particular time it was so easy for situations to erupt into violence. I mean, you hear about things happening in thirty three and thirty four when the essay or the sort of brownshirts as I think people probably will know them, we're kind of running unchecked. And if they saw someone they didn't like or if they saw someone that was Jewish or who they thought was Jewish thought was a communist a street brawl would break out. And I think long really captures that sense of impending violence that could happen at any time in the city in a way that prefigures a lot of those like seventies eighties New York films where you know, just riding on the subway. Maybe means you could be raped or murdered or stabbed because we are right on the brink here. I mean, 'cause if memory serves Hitler was appointed chancellor was a January thirty three so. This movie coming out in thirty one being made probably thirty one or thirty. There's a lot of stuff. We'll talk about this definitely as we go along those a lot of things that precede the Nazis, which are really super chilling. And then things that are directly addressing them as far as I'm concerned. Agreed. Also, get your opinion on this. Because. A lot of men portrayed in the film by we're talking about the societal aspects of in how the film reflects that as far as my recollection goes, no fathers portrayed in the film. There's an absence of a father figure it's interesting the way in which he contrast, male and female violence, like the male violence that happens in the film is rational and purposeful. And it's never really, you know, aside from these sort of few scenes, we get of mob violence almost breaking out when they think they found, you know, this this kindly man, who is not the killer for the most part when the mob gets together, and they decide okay, all the criminals are going to hunt for the killer in they're gonna do X. And they, you know, get him back down for the kangaroo court and all of those scenes feel so calculated and there. All sort of as I think we've talked about a little bit in the interest of business. This is totally a business decision for them. The women in the film are presented as kind of a weird contrast to that in the sense that they want violence, and they want revenge just as much, but it's totally emotional thing. Which in a way, it's like at first it seems like long as privileging motherhood in some way, but he's really finding sort of this long underhanded way of saying, no, these mothers are are just as terrible and women are not exempt from this desire for mob violence, in any way, because women aren't at any of these tables to your point, Jamie. Like when we see that roundtable with the fat cats, see the roundtable, criminals, we see the oblong or sorry rectangular table with the policeman. It is devoid of any women. But yet your point saying that we. End with the mother and will definitely talk about that ending. It does not necessarily say that women are the greatest people in the world either. And I think some of what you said earlier about, you know, Germany still recovering from World War One that is sort of a loose explanation for why so many fathers are absent. And I think it really speaks to uncertainly some of the children in that opening scene are too young to be the product of men killed during World War One. But I think it makes sort of a larger symbolic point about vulnerability in the tenements, and how these children are really just kind of wandering unchecked. They have very limited supervision and the only shock we see the mothers for a one say the first three fourths of the film may be the first half of the film. Are women doing this kind of repetitive domestic work, whether it's making food or cleaning things in the tenement like they're not very warm characters. They don't spend a lot of time cuddling their children or having this kind of like incidental what I would be called friendly dialogue that long definitely gives to female characters in later films like things like the blue guard Denia the whole thing. Just is so cold to me. Yeah. He really robs us of any real scene of from Beckman and her daughter of her Elsie together. Instead they separated at the beginning. And then that separation just becomes a Gulf as we go along. And that whole thing where Becker takes Elsie and Frau Beckmann. Is there waiting for them? That is just such a masterclass of editing for me in the way that we use the cuckoo clock to say that time is passing the way that we have the. Solves cross cutting between these two characters with as we have mattered leading her way. And and it's kind of confusing Beckmann. The the mother they're doing all of those daily drudgery type routines that you're talking about. And just that we see them getting farther and farther in those amazing shots of the empty stares the empty plate the loan ball that's rolling in their the the balloon that he bought from the blind beggar and just that caught up in the wires. And the way that blows way. I mean that is just fantastic. The image that stayed with me for decades metric for watching. It was obviously the shadows. Since the wanted poster your first glimpse of the Peter Laurie character in which starts that sequence in. It's just incredible. What amazed me was watching free cans interview with with long, and he he actually asked him. Why didn't you show them? Murders. Thinking we freak. It has to be smart enough to know that cinematic -ly what long did was so much more powerful that that show a show trial. Big Bert longs reaction was the suggestion is more visceral because it stays with you lingers. You can imagine it. Yeah. I think so I really love that interview. And to me William freakin, I I love many of his films. So I'm not trying to talk shit. But I think William freakin likes to provoke, and he could be kind of troll. And I feel like that was some of the questions he asks long in that interview. I feel like he had to have known the answer to but wanted to hear what long had to say. And I I mean, I couldn't agree more. I think, you know, every once in a while you hear people talk about how advice for budding writers, whether it's film writers television or fiction. What? Have you is this idea of show and not tell kind of reduce your Xposition position, take it out of the dialogue. And to me. This is one of the sort of greatest examples of showing somebody with that means is he uses so few words to convey, all sorts of different things in a way that I think is so much more effective than if he had a line of dialogue where Frau Beckmann just said, oh, well, you know, it's this time and normally this happens in so where is she? It's like instead of some women harping about how our daughter is late. It becomes so much more anxiety inducing. And I think the balloon is the same way because it's also I don't know if this is just me, but it's especially horrifying because it's a child shaped balloon like I y would you even have that will that balloon basically becomes? Elsie later on which I find to be just a terrific thing that they bring back that same type of balloon. I wasn't able to find out if that was sort of a common. I I don't even really know where you would research that other than some kind of German archive, but I was trying to figure out if that was a common thing that was sold on the street, or if long specifically said, no, we need some kind of small humanoid balloon to make this extra terrifying. While I'm sure there's at least five balloon museums around the world, at least, maybe at some point will be able to add balloon historian to my CV, one of the things that we told you the societal influence that the movie reflects going freakin interview. I mean, he does questions about that. I find it amusing that long seems slightly perturbed by the questions, you know, he he has to kind of take a deep exhale every time free. Connect someone be subtexts questions. I love free kit. Yeah. He's he's the best rock and tour ever long was he generally hesitant to discuss subtext and his films. I think you had to really I don't know. If butter him up is the right word or phrase or maybe catch him in the right mood. But because he has some really interesting interviews with go Dr where he does sort of go into things like his motivation was filmmaker. But he's one of those really frustrating figures who was very kind of stingy with his biography and either intentionally or this is just his personality. There's a lot of sort of self mythology ising that went on. And I think when people phrased questions certain way, it would kind of get his hackles up a little bit. Like if you phrased the question like why did you do this? What's your inspiration? Like not to make him sound terrible. But or not to make him sound overly pompous. I mean, I think he was a genius. But when people seem to phrase a question that was directed at like, his particular talent verses what influenced you, I think he was more receptive. Whereas when the questions are phrased as to you know, what what in the world, you know, sparked your interest or influenced you or like, those kind of subtext type questions, I think he was reluctant to answer because it's shattered. Some of that mythology is grumpy old man. That's always the impression that I got. I'm pretty sure it was born grumpy old, man. I mean, there are a couple of pictures wonderful pictures, I think one of him and Fritz Arna Wagner, but smiling looking sort of delighted, but for the most part he looks either. Like, he's in the process of yelling at someone or he has this sort of look on his face like he really is disappear. Proving of whatever it is that you're doing. Well, the monocle didn't help auto premise had the same problem. Like, you almost have made yourself a caricature here. So we talk about the the Kadhamy between sound and silence. A lot. We've touched a little bit on high and low there's a lot of high shots a lot of low shots as well. There's very interesting though shots, but really the biggest icon me in this movies. The cops the criminals, and I love the way that even though there are separate they come together. And they are so interchangeable. I mean to the point where one of the main criminals Weirs a police uniform in this movie, but the way that they go about investigating the murder in such similar ways is terrific the way that the cops divvy up the city, and they go out and they're looking for Becker this way, then the criminals will do the same thing later on. But too much more effective way the emphasis on science. I find his interesting the that they have the guy who's. Looking at the handwriting in the letter and trying to come up with a profile even back in nineteen thirty one. Profiling this letter writer, and then one of my favorite shots in the entire world is the one where it's the guy looking at the fingerprints. And you have that huge fingerprint up on the wall for whatever reason. I just absolutely loved that shot the other one that that gets me that is just it's chilling as well as the way that the cops again giving up the city that the way that they will go through the streets in the almost look like the hands of clock the way that they're going through these streets and the long shot from again overhead looking down, not necessarily God's view. But just looking down in them as they go by and it just it seems again to kind of proced- what's going to happen when when the Nazis takeover because just seems very methodical very cold. And the way that they're trying to flush out the criminals just it really got to me on some level. Watching. This is a little bit frustrating because he gets so many police procedural tropes in their sort of purest. Most elegant form in one go, and it's it's kind of I love a lot of crime thrillers. Love a lot of horror films that edge into this territory. I mean, I love police procedural, but on some level when you watch this. You're like, well, what more can you really do? And I think that's why so many of these visual tropes get used again. And again, but I agree with you that that scene with the giant fingerprint. It is sort of illogical, but it's one of the most beautiful shots in the movie of it. I love it so much I love after the raid, the criminals love might be too strong of a word. But that Dali across all of the things that they confiscated from the criminals in the way. That they light them out. And then that is mirrored again later on with the the criminals themselves in the way that the beggars have lined up all of the cigarette. Butts in cigar butts too to have like their booty, and then we have a room for the criminals again, where it's like, we have taken all these different, you know, half sandwiches, or these scraps that society has left for us in the way that they have this whole enterprise going of here are all these different things that people have left that we have taken and though shots the shots of the things laid out from the criminals, the things that the beggars have laid out with the cigarette butts in the sandwiches, and the cheeses and all these things so chilling when you know, what is going to happen. A few years at all of the concentration camps, and you get those rooms of here's all the eyeglasses. Here's all the luggage. Here's all the teeth those kind of things, and it just I don't know if it's just a German thing or. What the way that they do that. And then, you know, like, oh, yeah. And just a few years. This is going to be a whole different thing. Really just made by blood run cold. Yeah. I'm so glad you brought that up. I so I don't actually know if I've mentioned this yet. But I'm writing a book on 'em that will be out this summer. But for my book that this was one of the elements that I struggled the most to write about because I feel like, you know, he made the film in thirty thirty one. So you should be able to write about those scenes without mentioning the holocaust. But it's impossible because they're so like, you said recurring n it's I I don't know. I I don't think you can really write about them in a way or talk about them separately from that now watching as contemporary viewers, and they just. I feel like they're so chilling, partly because one of the themes of the film is that city the city, and the sort of different kind of governing bodies of the city, the criminals being included in that and just the sort of general city operatic, which you know, is also a subject of things like metropolis in his doctor Mabuza films, but it's inherently dehumanizing reduces people to objects which is a theme that he refers to often especially in those early films than even in his later film Noir movies made in the US in the forties. But you could talk about it as being that in a way that you know, has its most extreme example, or sort of extreme expression in the holocaust reminds me. I'm trying to remember film covered on timber last year. I think it was the fifth horseman is fear where our main character goes into a whole place that is just all of these catalog things new that incredible shot of him in front of the entire wall of all the different clocks that have been confiscated. And it's just you know, it's there you have to talk about it. And I I feel for you as far as like, this is thirty one I shouldn't be talking about the holocaust because it has yet to come. But it just the echoes of it are so loud, and so long, and I've definitely read a lot of other kind of historians in film, critics who get sort of pissed off and say that you know, to talk about long as anticipating the holocaust or anticipating some of the other actions of Nazi Germany is giving him too much credit. And it's coincidental. It's like, you know, what maybe chill like this is how people are going to see it. And you can't deny that there's some sort of relationship at least even in visual sense for movies too. Live. It's valuable to contextual is it in in a way that you. You can understand it today that you can interpret today. So I think that's totally valid one. It doesn't help to that. We know that our main criminal the character that will call the safecracker we know that he will continue to live in Germany and become part of the mechanism of German propaganda and still remain part of the German entertainment industry after if Hitler rises to power. So it's just like, okay that seems to lend his character more of a Nazi edge. If that makes sense. Well, I think this movie starts to get into probably in an intentional way considering what was going on with politics at the time. It definitely starts to get into people. Taking advantage of their kind of situations 'em this idea of kind of manipulation or collaboration and. Who's going to survive or maybe even thrive because of their abilities along those lines, and I think grin gins character. The safecracker is definitely in life end in the character was adept at that. He is the most well dressed characterists. Well, for whatever reason I feel the need to to bring that up the way that he has his cane his bowler hat his leather trench coat, which again, kind of speaks me of some of the Nazi uniforms that we're gonna see later on it just he's the most together guy in the also has the gloves, and this film emphasizes hands so much. I mean, if you look at most of the posters for this movie. It is the hand that marks pita Laurie with the m so you've got the hand in usually it's like a blood 'em on the hand. And that we have the safecracker with these gloves on his hand. And. So many shots of him with their at least one incredible shot of him with his hand over the map. And again, this overhead shot of him showing where things are on this map in that hand raised out. It just seems so much like we have the hands over the city we had the control which at this point, the criminals, do the criminals are the ones who bring Becker to quote, unquote, Justice. They are the ones who managed to catch Becker. They can do all of these things that the police can't. And again is kind of like, you know, the thug of -cation of Germany is happening right now in these thugs are really the ones who are in control. I don't think it's at all out of line or unusual to point out. The fact that he's the best dressed in the film because I think long was very intentional throughout all of his films. But definitely here with his choice of costume. And you know, as you pointed out. Earlier there's a scene where one of the criminals dresses as a cop an early on. You have these tables of men who kind of all look the same in a way that makes it really hard to tell which characters were with at first and clothing and tire is a way to either appear to be what you're not or in the case of the beggars in the case of Laurie's character away to kind of disappear into make yourself invisible not noticed, and I also think it's intentional. So earlier we were talking about that character who is almost kind of swept away by the mob. When they think he's the killer. And he is also one of the more well dressed characters, and I think class is something that long doesn't necessarily overtly address. But that I think is important undercurrent here. And that was where those high and low shots really came into effect as well. Like, the really emphasizing that that man was small and small in the universe. And then looking up at that thug. And even though there's not that much of a height difference. Maybe just a head between them the way that they look up at that thug. Who's going to pound the shit out of that guy makes him seem like he's a giant. And it just seems like these are the kind of people who are now in charge on the streets. Those are the kind of people who were in charge on the streets. Could we clear up though, while we're on the connection to Nazism that the that that occurred not long after this movie came out? I know long's wife at the time she joined the party. But long walk away from it. Didn't he? Yes, he did. So tampon Harbaugh was one of long's most important collaborators in his career, and she was somebody who was a pretty well known writer in her own right during the the twenties, and she wrote a lot of novels. She wrote screenplays on her own in collaboration with long, and this is a round the time when their relationship starts disintegrate, and, you know, not to downplay the importance of her role in his work at all, which I think is something that happens often is just sort of people say things like, oh, you know, he had this screenwriter wife, and then she became a Nazi. But I think she's a really fascinating fascinating example of the way in which artists during this period, especially twenty nine thirty thirty one thirty. Eighty to the way that people sort of decided what path they were gonna take him where their sympathies we're gonna lie, and she did really well for herself staying behind, but they didn't divorce because she became a party member stayed in Germany and wanted to stay in Germany their relationship sort of ended before that their marital relationship kind of disintegrated before their creative partnership ended just as an aside. One of our previous guests on the show Howard Rodman he actually wrote a fictionalized account of long leaving Germany. So as you're talking about his his contributor in all this stuff. I'm just thinking. I know I've heard this before I've heard it in different form. So it's a book called destiny express. If folks have read it, I highly recommended it's really very interesting read at like, I said, it's fictionalized, but based very much on fact that really does a good job of capturing how crazy the world. Was in Germany nineteen thirty three. Well, what's so interesting to me about that story is that nobody seems to be one hundred percent shore of the factual story because as I said earlier long loved, you know, spinning a good yarn about himself, and for a long time told this story that after testament Dr Mabuza comes out in thirty three Gurbuz calls a meeting with him in says, look, this just cannot happen. Like, we can't show this film. It's deeply offensive. So it's going to have to be banned. However, we think you're very talented filmmaker, and we would love you to come on board and be sort of the primary filmmaker for the Nazi party and long said great, let me think about it went home packed his suitcases and left with his Jewish wife on the train the next day. But public record. Disputes that in many ways because when they're alleged meeting took place like he didn't leave Germany for months after that and gurgles who took a meticulous notes in his diary often about how great he was doesn't really bother to mention any kind of extensive meeting with long doesn't really talk about how we wanted to offer him that position which it doesn't mean it couldn't have happened. But it certainly didn't happen in that way. And a lot of historians have had trouble figuring out like if there was a particular reason or meeting. For why he left or if he just decided, okay? You know now is the time to go and kind of gradually wrapped up his affairs people that love to self mythologies. They are such a bane to our existence as far as people who actually like to do research and find out the real story. He was I think a particularly stubborn case. And there have been at this point. They're probably four or five really great long books, and a lot of those people are Akkas Torian who have had access to archives in Germany and have done tons of meticulous work. But I don't think anyone knew until after long's death or possibly very late in his life that he had a first wife who killed herself. And there's sort of hazy circumstances around her killing herself in some people have speculated that maybe it was. You know, manslaughter or some kind of accidental death. And so he was really the master of only telling you what he wanted you to know. I wanted to talk real quick about inspector Lohmann who's played by in. Please help me out Sam with the pronunciation of auto Verna key. Is that close? I didn't realize that inspector Lohmann comes back in the other Mabuza film, the testament of Dr Moosa, I don't think and I could be remembering this incorrectly. But I don't think that's something. He does very often sort of bring characters back, but I do know that it was a pretty beloved kind of trope of the time in thrillers and action cereals to acquaint you with these kind of inspector characters who would return again. And again until I'm wondering if maybe it was sort of a nod to that convention to have to say, speaking of detectives, and especially literary detectives once. They actually start to employ the beggars the criminal underworld employed. These beggars to find the criminal the killer. The child killer Becker, I was so reminded of Sherlock Holmes in the way that he uses the underground the criminal network in order to find things to have information rather than just relying on police methods, which I think he knows are flawed inherently. So I actually wondered about that. And I kind of figured maybe that was the influence, but I'm pretty sure that where that really comes from is beggar's opera, which is an opera from seventeen twenty eight. And so obviously before Sherlock Holmes beggar's opera was something that was became popular in Germany and was adapted. And the story is I mean Threepenny opera which came out. I think in twenty nine has the same exact plot. And there's another film from around the period a child's film. Emil and the detectives which I think is also thirty one which doesn't involve beggars, but an involves this gang of children who in the way of many children's stories who seem to have no parents than they kind of want her around doing whatever they want. But of that's one of my favorite things about this movie is the way that he shows these people that you would never notice kind of coming to life and participating in this scheme. The thing is the whole idea that these beggars can be everywhere, and they probably definitely worth especially with the economic times. You see the guy who's blind see the guy with no legs. So we're thinking maybe these guys might have been in the war or affected by the war somehow. So it's just this almost wallpaper of bekker's, which is a really sad state of affairs. But it's such a clever and fascinating. Plot device Amine, even if you watch Threepenny opera a meal, the detectives in 'em back to back there used in sort of overall similar way, but long focuses much more on that kind of realism that that you're talking about where he looks. He really shows you just how kind of horrific life on the street was an Amine. It's it's something that I think shows up in paintings from the period like their speculation that this auto Dick's painting of a blind man with a dog influence that particular shot you mentioned, and it just I think it's such a fascinating picture of street life. Even though it's, you know, mostly shot in a studio, and it just seems so real before I forget, I mentioned that shot of the beggars all of their booty in the way that they're cataloging those things and that. Sequence of that whole criminal enterprise is fantastically shot as well. And I know I just keep laying around superlatives when it comes to this film. I apologize. But it's just so well made and just such a pleasure to watch and that scene in particular with the way that the camera moves around the room, and it goes at floats over tables in San maybe no the way that this was shot. Maybe not. But the way that floats over tables than it comes up to window, and then it actually goes through the window and into another room, and it just keeps floating, and it's just like one is the shock and to end. I mean, this is something you know, that that wells has yet to pick up a camera at this point of memory serves this is something that I think would definitely inspire wells in the opening of citizen Kane in the way that they go from model shot the live action. Just this is one long tracking while some sort of shots going through these rooms and showing just the extent of the sky with. Cigar butts going all the way up to this big chart of. Here's all of the things that we have cooking when it comes to this enterprise, you're talking about and I'm so glad you brought this up. I think I may be mentioned his name in passing earlier. But so the cinematographer to work on this film is Fritz Arno Wagner, who is in my opinion, the single greatest cinematographer of German expressionism of German cinema in the twenties and thirties. And I think probably of all time the kind of experimental work. He did with long on things like destiny, which is ten years before this. There's if you haven't seen destiny, it's this sort of kind of anthology film with the framing story that it's it's kind of depressing certain scenes in it's really this sort of morality tale. So the plot is not quite as thrilling as this film. But the visual world is in it will. Blow your mind, even if you watch it in two thousand nineteen he makes it seem like candles or floating in the air in this in this room. And he just I don't know how he achieved some of what he did. But people will know him also from a NAS raw to things like a Papp's diary of a lost girl. He worked with long a bunch. And he just he he worked on Threepenny opera, which I just mentioned an testament, Dr Mabuza Amine, dozens of films you using superlatives. I mean, what else can you do it such exciting work that even if you're not somebody who cares or pays a lot of attention to cinematography, which, you know, no judgment. I mean, everybody has different reasons for what excites them about film. But I think with his work. It's hard certainly on all of his films of long. It's hard not to notice. Like, how did they do this shot like? This is incredible. And it's something from nineteen thirty one like, it feels fresh and exciting that crazy shot where there in the warehouse, and they're starting to kind of corner Becker, and they show a man through a hole in the floor. It just it's. Yeah. It is remarkable the photography. And you know, it's a movie shadows as well in the way where it sometimes. It's it's. Some like in nighttime. It's sometimes indistinguishable from one another. It's it's scorch Asli shot either. So many times I mean, we've talked about Becker shadow over the wanted poster at the beginning. But even when the criminals are planning their adventure their their whole operation. I thought about the hand over the map, but then you cut from that to the shadows of them on the wall. So we don't see necessarily the criminals all the time in that particular shot. You know, we have been talking for a while. And we really haven't talked about pita lorry that much I mean, Sam unite we've taught plenty times about Peter Laurie on this particular show, but Lori he's in here a lot more than stranger on the third floor. But even though he's not in that many shots at least in the first part of the movie his presence looms over everything in every time. He's on screen. It's electrifying and terrifying at the same time the us him like. A spice at the beginning of the film that we know he's there we know he's on the prowl. And then when we see him it's just like a while. We're in for something like that amazing sequence of him pretty much praying for his next victim. And when he's looking at himself in the window display. This whole movie has so many great window displays he's looking at himself in the window display. And then he sees the reflection of the girl behind him. And I always tried to figure out what that is around him. Maybe Sam you know, what I'm talking about. It's like a square of all these things they almost like bullets or something though. I know it's not bullets. I always assumed that it was like some kind of hardware store because a lot of them. Look, like different kinds of rulers or sort of industrial kind of measuring tools. I'm assuming that it's something that long N Wagner chose because of the way it's sort of fractures, his his. Expression. It shows you pretty clearly on that. There's something amiss. And there's something not quite right. He's he's fractured in some way. I mean in a lot of those early scenes before he really becomes the dominating present. Or before he becomes, you know, onscreen a lot. He's shown in shadows or reflections rather than any sort of head on shots that some of the other characters get it's so overwhelming to absorb how little you really see him like you said, but he just is such a huge presence. Even though we such a tiny, man. And I think it's it's always fascinated me that, you know, we have a lot of these later serial killer films TV shows that show these kind of physically large imposing figures, and I think the camera in this film goes out of its way to make him. Mm seem small child bike and like he doesn't fit in with the other adults will. Yeah, he's got the baby fach when I'm big time here yet, there's something that it's it's very strange because there's something almost chair of like about him at the same time grotesque creepy. I think that it's one of the all-time great performances actually in in. I think long you it knew that a lot of perverse power that in has is due to the presence, Peter Laurie just I face, and it's interesting how such a tremendous performance, and he did a lot of movies memorable movies. But he was you know, this. This was almost like a sentence for him. He was so convincing in this movie. That's you know, a couple of weeks ago. I drove I drove by the house that Peter Laurie lived at died. And and even what I even when I was looking at the house, I I had inches of the child Moore. Order from them. You know, this was something that followed the rest of his life. Yeah. You N every casting agent in Hollywood. I'm I mean, I think it's something that really frustrated depressed him and looking at it in hindsight, it seems unfair to say this. But this is something long actually spoke about repeatedly that he thought this was Laura's greatest performance. He would never again approach it in his career. But he likewise said that he thought this was his best film and his greatest sort of technical achievement to me. That's one of the things that makes lorries career. So interesting is okay. Maybe you can only have lightning in a bottle one time. But the sort of choices he made over the years and how he eventually just kind of gave into the typecasting and tried to have a little fun with it. I think is wonderful. I mean. His films like nothing makes me laugh harder than comedy of terrors with him in Vincent Price. And it's a shame that he wasn't allowed to really kind of explore the range of his talent. In Hollywood the way he was maybe on the German stage. But he just is untouchable here. What long? Eager to work with him again in Laurie wouldn't have it from what I heard long wanted to try. But I think had some trouble getting projects off the ground. Once he was in Hollywood. And I think lowering with sort of maybe a little scarred by their by their working relationship on this film because it was you know, his first he had been on the stage. But it was his his first like really major film role end in order to get the kind of performance. He wanted long basically, psychologically brutalized him. And so I think some of the kind of anxiety and frustration in sort of anguish, you see in Becker is an actor pushed to their absolute young inexperienced actor who won't say no to the treatment sort of being pushed to their limits, and it didn't help that. He was I think for. For at least part of shooting on stage. So he was working these like twenty hour days. Right. Wendy, go from this to stage. Yeah. I can't imagine. I mean, you know, I work basically, two fulltime jobs, but I also don't have Fritz long screaming at me when I've been on stage all day. So I can't imagine what that was like. But I could definitely understand why he wouldn't wanna work with him. Again. The play ringtone is rips. Log screaming at me. What is ironically, Ben Laurie would go on very soon after this to work with Alfred Hitchcock who seems like he's kinda punting this up Assode as well. Because, you know, even when we talk about when Becker is being chased through the streets, and by the different criminals, and we have those overhead shots and stuff. I'm so reminded of Charlie from shadow of a doubt in just the way that he is being hunted at the beginning of that film. I don't think you can really talk about one of them with at least if you're gonna. Discuss anything involving crime or murderer thrillers. You can't talk about one without talking about the other end. I at some point would love somebody to write a book about maybe this sort of contrasting influence because it's clear that they respected each other. And in some ways, it seems to me like they were influenced by each other's work over the years. The two of them created the serial killer film through the lodger at 'em. And I think they both kind of created that whole genre. I mean, people talk about how Hitchcock created it with psycho. But like segue wasn't until nineteen sixty. And you know, as you mentioned shadow of doubt is to me way more. I don't know. I don't wanna say better than psycho. I just I'm obsessed with shadow of doubt, and that's forty three. So it's like between twenty seven and let's say the late forties. There. Doing they're both doing all these really fascinating things with the sort of police procedural horror film or serial killer thriller, and like they never seem to give up doing interesting things with that genre. Amine, Hitchcock was still going with frenzy in what was seventy four seventy two in cycles. Much like challenges your your input, please who signed on to this movie, which is very awkward bake for for audio topic. Especially by thirty one it's both in when the trial happens. We start to feel a lot for Becker early Sidhu. But then even it said thing, you know, where the car is sinking in the swamp, and psycho, and you're just like, oh my gosh. I hope this cargoes down all the way. It's almost you're almost rooting for Becker when he's looking for victim. And it's just like, oh, Nope. She went with her mother, better try again and. What the hell am I doing? Why am I suddenly with this guy? This isn't right at all. He's a horrible person. I shouldn't be with him. But then when he is being pursued by all of these people. I'm just like, oh, man. I hope he gets away. Why am I thinking that? I shouldn't be thinking that if you watched the typical Syracuse movie as we've come to understand it today wouldn't expect the killer when he was finally revealed in the corner to do so Dan vulnerable. And that's why you know, the director lung can have all since in the world to this. But he needed the perfect actor the perfect look the perfect tone of desperation vulnerability, and I think only somebody like Warri could could provide that is what makes this film. So brilliant is and so pretty much the focus of my book is on how I think this was the first film to have a serial killer as a protagonist, and it's. So important because in so many later serial killer film, I mean, probably the majority of them, even when it seems to follow the serial killer like in any of the numerous books or movies or TV shows about Hannibal Lecter? It's still presents the killer as some sort of monstrous figure, and I think what m does so relentlessly is it shows you the different ways in which he is suffering human unit genuinely feel sorry for him. Even when you can see that he's disturbed that horrible scene where he says that he hears the cries of his victims. And when I say horrible. I don't mean I think the scene is bad or poorly done. I mean, it's so upsetting to watch because of the intensity kind of believability of his performance. But I don't know. I just I think that I agree with what you were just saying I feel like that. It's the achievement is no matter what horrible thing he does. We feel sorry for him. And we feel like he's a victim of something outside of his control or. It really is amazing the way that long able to turn that on its head from that opening shot where you know, we see his silhouette to the scene in the basement where all you want is for the police to come in. So that he won't be executed by the mob will even one of the first things that we see when he's not child killing when he's there in the mirror at making those faces in pulling at the corners of his mouth, and it's just like is he trying to look normal. This wonder what's going on at love that that silence seen as well. Just with him and that mirror, and then Sam we talked about lost one. And there's a very similar scene in that which I think he was completely quoting. Well, and I think it's interesting, you know, earlier we talked about how this film really marked his life and his career. It's interesting how the lost one, which if you haven't seen it. And you haven't listened to that episode it, basically his soul directory all effort. And it's shot when he goes back to Germany after the war and kind of tried to rebuild his career there. But it seems like a sort of strange kind of reference to what happened to him after 'em and what happened to sort of Europe after the war. It's extremely depressing, but wonderful, which you can say about the fullness well by read a biker field lorry that I think it takes the title film. But what does it does? And he's been on the projection booths. I think every so I've been on what three or four times talk about Lori in the author. Steven young king has given interviews. I think almost all those episodes right sole exception bigness this one while where is he why have the author of the devil's advocates book on 'em. So I figured I was doing okay with that. Absolutely. You know, something something else came to mind. But when you were talking about mutual admiration between law. In Hitchcock in how Hitchcock you can't talk about the China without relating it to his contribution that fascinates me. The kind of conversations between filmmakers and the conversations continue today. I mean, I was watching a really trashy movie Schumacher's eight millimeter, Ed at there's there's the reveal of the big baddie. And that Ed he's I guarantee you they were thinking of Warri them 'cause they're thinking this. This is like putty loser guy that probably works at a computer repair shop or something and they've had him like put on the glasses. You know, the torque glasses, they can be more pathetic. But fewer people know the movies that existed prior to their date of birth. So books like the one that Sam is written in shows like the projection booth there so essential into drawing these connections because film, I I feel is a an. Ongoing conversation with the past with what has come before. And how do we move it forward at its best film it? Yeah. I felt like a total dumb ass when I'm reading the intro to SAM's book and same you mention I think at least four five six may be films in a row, and I'm like, well, we've covered all of those. But we've never talked about 'em. So I'm glad we're finally talking about him. I agree. Like, I love writing about and learning about that sort of relationship between filmmakers, so I guess two things one I find it really fascinating. When to your point younger generations seemed to not go back and watch films from the thirties and forties. Even though they have no excuse not to because you know, you could probably you can watch 'em on YouTube right now, I'm not saying you should. But you could. So there's no excuse not to see it. But what's fascinating? To me is when you have these kind of visual and semantic references that sometimes directors aren't even aware that they're making because it's something that's just sort of culturally passed down. I think there are a lot of things in this film that have sort of wandered down that path like, you know, that incredible shot of the giant fingerprint, which very consciously shows up in Elliott Petry's citizen above suspicion or investigation of citizen above suspicion. But I think you also have shots like that in things like law and order just on maybe a less cinematic kind of visually appealing level. I love the way that that kind of language changes over time based on the work of people like long in like Hitchcock who are just so visionary. And so in incredible at what they do. Like, if if we'll be say a catchphrase it's been around forever. And I I can't think I can't think of one right now. Of course, I can't. But and we've never think of that originate like it. And I feel like it's the same thing with our film history. I mean, if it's if it's icon enough, if it if it kind of absorbs into the culture deep enough, it's all almost becomes part of our DNA. We we don't think about it. When we put up there's references and other Celts. That's one of the things that frustrates me about some of this sort of newer generation of quote, unquote, elevated horror directors is a lot of them seem to say things in interviews like, well, I don't really watch har- movies. And I'm not I'm not really influenced by other hard directors. It's like dude, you do not work in a bubble. Like, I can give you a long list of references in your film. And even if you claim to have seen those films or not like one, you work in a particular genre. It's borrowing from a rich tradition that like you said just sort of seeps into our cultural identity. No your answer. Esters buddy. So of course, I was thinking of law and order when they go in and do the fake out with the landlady the deaf landlady and the guys again here from the tax office. And I'm just like you need a warrant to go in there, buddy. Did you hear the round of the gavel when you when you I did? This is one thing that I actually didn't do too much research on. But I think that there's a certain kind of gray area at that particular time German law and order, so I mean actual law and order not. I'm not talking about a German version of the TV show. But. In in nineteen thirty one. I think they really could have gotten away with doing so much more like planting evidence, and sort of wandering in talkative landlady in a way that you know, stabler could only fire to do in our law and order, it's strange that you mentioned the guy without the legs. We've got the landlady who is practically death for all intents and purposes, and then I love the twist of the knife when are quote, unquote, I witness ends up being the blind beggar, and when he shows up, and I talked earlier about hands and when he shows up and he puts his hand on bekker's shoulder. Peter Laurie shoulder, and he starts speak from offscreen. It is one of those amazing moments in that we have that reversed later on when the policeman's hand comes in on the other shoulder touches him. There and again starts to speak offscreen, and we never see his face either. So nice that we have that parodies. Really, really nice. And also that when Becker manages to turn around and the beggars there, and he's got that balloon like I said that balloon has really become Elsie. And it's like she's there in the court with them. And it just like you remember this in rather than this being a balloon. He might as well say do remember Elsie and Becker reaction is so terrific. And just I mean, Laurie just nails it and I love to that. We have his performance going on in the foreground and leading the beggar out in the background such a nice use of space there as well. And that whole cavern where we have this kangaroo trial going on. I mean, it's just a terrific set. And you just feel all of those bodies there. And just again, how small little Becker is at. The front there. And compared to all of those people who are just there for his blood. And that's I think one of the to me sort of major achievements of the cinematography is that all of the buildings are these kind of rundown depression era spaces, you know, you have the apartment tenement. You have the warehouse that Becker hides in you have this kind of cavern basement cavern that you mentioned and long end fraternal Wagner make such dynamic use of those spaces that it's I think something that other directors try to do, but don't really come close to succeeding, the just the way that they are able to make you feel claustrophobic or just like between the editing in the sort of chase sequence in that warehouse. It just it's all the very strange use of SP. Case that feels so tense in oppressive that when you finally get to the open space. It's it's sort of extra disorienting if that makes sense at least to me what the that they shot this all in a studio. Yeah. I think there are some street shots or at least shots that were like supposed to be a replica of actual street. But yeah, I mean that was definitely his preference. Certainly at the time way more control, for instance will. Yeah, we know that he likes his control just a little Laurie just gives one of the best performances as he is talking about what his life is like being this child murderer just so many amazing lines. The reactions the way that he's using his hands the way that is is bugging out of his head is just it's incredible in you really can't top it. I mean. We talked before about is this greatest performance. I don't know if it is or not. But this is definitely one of the greatest performances that he ever gave. I mean, I think it's one of the greatest performances that anyone ever gave. I mean, it it's so remarkable. And I know we are out of control with the adjectives here. But it just it seems like such a. I don't want to downplay his talent at all. But it almost seems like this sort of perfect storm of this. Great script in this great director, and this great cinematographer, and this really incredible actor who I think was kind of given a chance to do something unusual because even if you look at other films from the period where maybe the plots are focused on urban violence in misery or they're really depressing. I mean, I don't think of this as a proper German expressionist film. It happens to be a German film that has sort of similar kind of horror themes, but in German expressionism, you know, you have all these stories about kind of murderers monsters and destitute people on the street driven to acts of violence. It's, but none of those performances, and while some of them are great come close to how this if feels so real in that sort of a lame thing to say, but at least that's my sort of takeaway for Wyatt. So effective is it so believable, certainly no artifice in his performance. It feels. So if you'll so modern there's a lot of films from this period that I can watch. They might feel stagey or what have you this feels totally modern and relevant. Like, it's consistently being referenced everywhere, you look, and I'm not even sure the filmmakers, no the referencing. But it's still relevant today. And there's this weird commentary that's going on here too. As far as why the criminals won't turn him over to the police that they are frayed that they turn him over to the police he is going to plead insanity. And I think even more than the idea of and then he comes out, and he does it again. I think it set the the criminals don't necessarily see the institutionalization as being punishment enough. And that's why they wanna meet out there punishment of death to this person in the way that the safecracker keeps saying you must be erased. And it's just like, wow. Okay. You must disappear. It's so again so believable because every. Thing that long has set up so far in the film is that government bureaucracy. Police totally corrupt ineffectual. And certainly there's no reason to believe that turning Lori over to the or I'm sorry, that's rude. Turning Becker over to them would accomplish anything other than, you know, more bungling, and it's interesting how this shows up not to bring up law and order again. I I'm not really intended to do that. I feel like it shows up as a believable sort of common recent plot in police procedural 's or even vigilante films like some of the death wish movies or things that came after them where there's this very real sense that you as a viewer identify with that this protagonist wants Justice. But knows that Justice will not be had at the hands of police criminal Justice system and can't imagine any other option and so takes it into their own hands. And I think that one of the things that makes this seem so modern like, I totally agree that his performances is definitely in the same line. But it just you can understand why they don't wanna turn him over in unlike films with vigilante, it's the the criminals in. I think a lot of those guys are criminals in real life, but the the mob that that surrounds him there outs for blood, and I I think this movie recognizes the moral queasiness fat if and I don't know if long was pro or anti death-penalty, I think that they tried to make it out that he was protest penalty in the movie and e corrected them on it, one of the interesting things, and sort of my takeaway is he's not telling you. What is right and what is wrong? He's telling you why it's a complicated issue. So he makes you understand why we shouldn't kill Laurey. And he also makes you understand in this sort of horrifying ending sequence. Why even the mothers have torn themselves out of these dmed? Spaces our should of at the front of the mob demanding his execution in really kind of. I dunno for for me. The first time I saw this. That was the moment because you know, went as we've talked about this is the sort of thing, that's definitely just sort of fallen into culture, permeated culture, especially thrillers Harvey's serial killer movies. So the first time you watch this. You know, anytime after nineteen fifty nineteen sixty there a lot of things where you can kind of see maybe where it's going, but I did not expect that sequence with the mothers at all where they're like, no kill him. We want him to be dead. Contrast that with the mother's. They're all in black in the very last shot where it's just like people should take better care of their children fade out the end. And like, whoa. Like. Are these the same mothers that we saw before who are crying out for blood yet? It's that ending shot is brutal between that. And then that five judges that come in. And we don't see the trial at all. We don't see Becker at all it almost feels a little tacked on almost like the end of Scarface or something. But just that weird way that we go from them coming in to the mothers that line and then gone. Yeah. That movie just leaves you winded afterwards. What can that last line? The reason that long said that he wanted to do the film the first place, I think so I mean from what I've read his initial motivation was that he was so fascinated by the public attention given to these news stories coming out about Peter curtain and heater curtains eventual capture and his testimony about his crimes and just like the way the. Headlines were horrified, but fascinated or entertained at the same time like click bait, basically is what they were is, you know, open page three to find out about how Peter curtain disemboweled this fifteen year old. It's just a think from what I've read he just said that that was sort of har- fine but fascinating to him. And he wanted to kind of explore that feeling more. I saw somewhere that Dr Genoa was inspired by that sort of shot of the through the ending shot of the three women all in black and that was part of where he got the inspiration to do this kind of three mothers trilogy. I don't know if that's true or not. But it's believable enough. I mean, considering how long influenced a lot of those sixties and seventies. John rectors. Did you guys both have a chance to see? The Joseph locie redo in nineteen fifty one. I give it a once-over. I was surprised at how short the movie was like normally now when we have remakes go all out, and they always seem to tack on an extra half an hour and this actually removed about half an hour or more worth of material. So moved at a much faster pace, though. I don't know if that necessarily helped things because there's not a lot of fat on lungs m there's maybe only a few times where I'm just like. Okay. Yo towards the end there. All right. You know, the the whole idea of the one criminal who's left behind in the interrogation in those kind of things it's like, okay. Maybe this could have been gone the could've found another way to connect the dots there, but I'm absolutely fine with it. Especially the for all the horrible things that we've been talking about with them as far as the actual content that there's a couple of good jokes in there. The whole idea of we're gonna take this one criminal Intel. Him that the guard has died, and then they cut to the guard eating sausages and drinking beer. It's a really nice thing. It's a great laugh line. But there's not too many laugh lines in the the locie thing. And I was really hoping that it would be more of a like a Hugh wack or blacklist kind of metaphor because especially those who was going to leave the country very soon, and it was a dark time in America's history. And I think a couple of the other people who are involved in this film ended up leaving the country as well or being blacklisted. And so we're going through some really horrible times in the US thought. Okay. Cool. We're going to remake 'em. They're going to use what's out there. Now in this fear of communism and the way that everybody is turning against these people. But it didn't really feel like that to me. I didn't really capture that for this film. I don't know what you guys felt I didn't think it was in in embarrassment. I thought it was. Okay. I thought it was okay enough. But it did strike me as simile. You know, you're seeing something without the detail. The clarity of viewing original it's really translates into the artistry. The original. I did appreciate the scene to the Bradbury building close movie. I thought that was a great location. I have a lot of issues with this. Because number one, I don't understand. So I am a passionate hater of remakes with a few exceptions. I think every once in a while they can be interesting. They could stand on their own ground so on so forth. But I don't really understand why you would say in nineteen fifty one like, let's remake a film about a child killer that was set during the depression, just before Nazi Germany. It just I I don't understand how it makes business sense. Or who they thought wanted to see that film? I mean, certainly fifty one has all kinds of really dark films. Specifically film Noir coming out around that time. So just maybe that's what they were going for. But it really bothers me even more than the fact that someone has remade along film. It really bothers me that it's Joseph losy because I love him. And I don't wanna ever have to say anything bad about one of his films. I mean, I agree with both of you. I didn't hate it. I don't have anything overwhelmingly negative to say other than it's fine. Which for me is like that's the worst gets when something is just fine. I don't have anything to say it just it almost felt like Mike. Thank you just said like we weren't getting anything that felt original it just felt like a facsimile of something. But it also felt like we weren't getting a genuine losy film like he was just sort of going through the motions, and maybe a lot of producer interference. Or maybe was just so afraid of pissing off long having long come like burned out his house or something that it just feels like somebody's afraid to really get in there. Like, they're sort of delicately remaking it and not trying to rock the boat at all. Yeah. You picked the wrong subject. If you're making movie about a child murderer and you don't want to rock the boat. But why the hell you making a movie on a child murder? Really what we're getting down to here is there's only one person who should remake him and it should because fan set that should be shot for shot. I mean, what's Vince Vaughn doing? I'm sure he could give even a better performance than sure it'll be really it'll be really difficult to make him look small rainbow with CG. I bet you could do it. You could you could ask Peter Jackson how he made everyone into into hobbits. You could Benjamin button that there were some decisions that were made in the m remake that I didn't necessarily agree with like I'd like in the original that once the criminals start to pursue Peter Laurie that he leaves a little girl and she runs off. And instead with this one. They've heat keeps the little girl with him. And it's very unbelievable that they would have he would have her in this little room with him. And that she would just be content to. With dolls while he was blooding his fingers to hamburger as he is trying to pull this nail out and pick the lock I appreciated the blooding the fingers in trying to get that nail out. So they could pick the lock. But I didn't appreciate that the little girl was there and that they have to then keep her in play as far as the schools like at least when they're leaving the building in. They're gonna go to the whole trial location and stuff that the make real point of showing them bring her along. And it's just like no that she doesn't need to be there at all. They should just drop that whole thing. The other thing that I kind of appreciated was that the lawyer the lawyer for the Laurie character the Beker character that he was more of a character. And that he was this drunk and at one point he really starts to skewer the criminals, and they're just like no hold on. Don't don't talk bad about us. But I think that in the long film, both the criminals. And the police are given equal weight and in this one feels like the police there little more rough than they were in the regional. But they they don't seem as I can't say incompetent. They just don't seem like they're nearly as much of a presence as the criminals are this feels like oh, cool. Wouldn't it be cool if the criminals went after the one of their own, but yeah, no, not not necessarily? I'm not sure, you know, watching the remake. I'm not should back to back actually with the. I'm sure that it it loose elucidates anything that the original doesn't already provide. I think it's lacking that conversation that we talked about earlier, and I it might have been worthy had engaged in that kind of conversation. Again, I feel really bad having to say this because if you somehow are have made it this far in the episode, and you've never seen Joseph losy film. He is an incredible director, and if you wanna see one of his films from this period before he left the United before he was driven brutally from the United States watched the prowler don't want this remake. It's I just felt so like, it's so milk toast. And to have a film about a child murderer feel milk toast. It just I just don't really understand why any of these choices were made making remaking the film of the choices within. The different shots. Like, yeah. I I don't know. I don't feel worse for having watched this. But I don't think I'll ever need to watch it again as opposed to something like while like the prowler or like lungs 'em where I can watch it repeatedly and still get more out of even though again, it was made nineteen thirty one. But it still holds up today as well as it hit back, then they're both masterpieces for sure. When I think of the important work that criterion. Don, I always think of them because I think an has reached a whole new audience because of their investment in that film. I can't is agree because I'm sure that when I saw it. It was probably Janice release right before they put it onto criterion. And I mean, I think they have done some really incredible work. So I'm sure one of the difficult things about you know, you have limited time to watch new movies, and it might not be appealing to watch an older film that requires a lot of historical context. But I think they do a great job at providing that in a digestible way or in a way that seems fascinating. And like, it's really important to them. And I totally agree. I think anytime they release something like this and give it a lot of attention and give it. The respect it deserves. It's gonna you know, be just the sort of wonderful discovery for a whole new generation of film fans as as it should. Mike said what the top in the show. God bless n TV is low. There was something else. I was going to ask you about the running time of and because there are several different cuts of it is it is the first initial cut is is they're missing. Is there still missing footage or do we have everything from the initial cut? I want to say that there's something that's still missing. And I'm totally blanking on what it is right now. So I think part of the dispute about what the actual running time was is that there were slightly different versions prepared for different audiences in Europe, which is a pretty standard thing at the time. I mean, you you had a lot of instances of directors who would come onto a set and film, a different language version of the movie like first clue the the French director got his start around this time doing. Just that he would go on German productions, and basically film of a French language version of the same thing. So I think we're gonna they did that that same year in thirty one which regular Mehta Spanish language version, concurrently absolutely end. I agree with many people that there are some things about the Spanish language version that are superior even though I feel like I'm about to be struck by lightning as I say that. But I so I think the dispute over missing footage in 'em or the confusion about the run time. It seems like when we talk about movies from the sixties or seventies or even the eighties that have been cut. It's an intentional decision to remove a scene or clip that's deemed offensive, and I don't think that's the case with 'em. I think with 'em. It's just they decided to slightly edit different versions differently. So I think if there is an I could be wrong about this. But from what I remember if there is anything missing, it's just a certain angle was cut out and maybe accidentally not retrieved from senior too. But it's not like, there's, you know, a whole missing seen part of scene that we weren't allowed to see because it was inappropriate. I will buy two copies of your book all have to find it. And send it to Mike maybe post posted in the episode link. But there's definitely unacademic book chapter where the author researched the different cuts made at the time like the different cuts of the film prepared at the time. And they talk about it in detail, and they go down to like, you know, the credit sequence in this version for France is different. And so it's shaves thirty seconds off. So it's it's all really technical stuff. Like that. And not like, there's some magical Laura moment that we're missing as far as I understand. I was stupid question for your Sam is the word blind the same in German English the word for blindness is blend height. And so you know, like mortar is super close to murder in. I think some of this movie is easy to watch without subtitles because English is a Germanic language. So some of the words you're like, oh, I know that one because I notice the blind guys have little signs around their necks say blind. And I was like, oh that must be the same in both languages. They're just holding the American subtitles. All right. Let's go ahead and take a break and play preview for next week show. In a mining town on the second of cupid. Something deadly is happening. See just like every other money. These people are. And I never much trouble. We're all professionals. I'm sure. Nothing. More on that hits the mine yesterday. I'm not a psychiatrist I can't tell you. Why? While. No way. Suicide. Eight in the last six months, but you do. No solution. No other nation. Exposes himself to Ciro pressure atmosphere. There isn't a whole lot less. Maybe. I want you to know what you mentally. Elite. Dead. You're supposed to. Stick around. Why they sent you? Really made a mistake. And is still. We'll be back next week with a look at Peter Higham says outland until then I wanna think this week's co host Jamie and Sam g me what is the latest with you, sir. We're still airing occasional interviews and doing monkey round people now on the United. We've kind of scaled back little bit while I recover. I feel a little burned out. I don't know how you do it. How long have you had the projection booth eight years, I've I've been doing if teen, and I just you know, I just feel like I really have to decide if I want to keep doing it or not. It's terrible. But you know, after thousand interviews Phil what will burn out. I know that feel bro. I know that they'll tell. Yeah. Guy speed my support group could be confident to go on while you are always welcome on the projection booth. Why love you I I wouldn't want to be any place else. I love the spot cap and Sam how is the busiest woman in Philadelphia also pretty tired, not quite burned out. But I definitely have my days where I just wanna lay on the floor, my podcast partner and calendar, we just came out with the new daughters of darkness episode on the films of John Hayes, who's this really underrated American Colt director, we also did a commentary on arrows new box set about the films of Jose arrives. As far as long related news. My book should be coming out in June through devil's advocates which is a series. That publishes monographs all about individual horror films, and I sort of had to make the case for why m should be considered a horror film and why it's so influential and so on and so forth. And I also did the liner essay for the upcoming Eureka release of women in the window, which if you haven't seen that it's a wonderful film that long made in America and proof that he continued to be incredibly influential throughout his career, very cool. And he said book out in June, totally June or July. I won't hold you to it though. I was promised summertime early summertime. Smcgaels all the way up to September. So he I don't say that will thanks again guys who being on the show. 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