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"steven novella" Discussed on The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
"Won't welcome to the sceptic's universe. Today is wednesday april fourteenth twenty twenty one. And this is your host steven novella joining me. The speaker bob novella everybody cara santa maria. Addie j. novella guys and evan bernstein. Hello everyone this was one of those heavy newsweek's heavy sites. I suspect that two of the news items. We're going to talk about this week. Are going to be two of the biggest science news items of the year if not one in two. I think they'll both be in the top five there there. We'll get to them in a minute. But first there's another sort of item. It's a follow up to last week. Last week i gave the follow up to the astra. Zeneca blood issue This is the european Main european vaccine astrazeneca for covert and There has been some reported. Blood clots most of them are probably not above background. However there was one subset of of clots. Young people like less than fifty mostly women specifically in the brain. Cvs t triple venous sinus thrombosis associated with rump aside opinion. Low blood platelets the clotting elements in the blood. So that was unusual. And steve isn't it isn't another factor that the symptoms arose within two to four weeks after the shot within like sixteen days. Yeah they were within the timeframe of the vaccine. Clotting platelet counts. I'm sure that's in your description somewhere your because they're they're dysfunctional platelets. Is the problem right there there. They're low number. But they're causing clotting eric. Yeah and then. There's been a couple of different publications including one recently in the new england journal of medicine looking at potential mechanisms. You know it's certainly plausible that it is a vaccine induced autoimmune disease causing this clotting situation but the numbers are extremely low. The absolute numbers. And there's still some. You know heated debate about the risk versus benefit like you can be saving thousands of lives with the vaccine and one or two people will die. You know that sort of thing. But you know the comparing that to but we don't wanna freak people out about the vaccine and we want to ask you. We're being transparent and yeah so it's like this this total mess while the mess got doubled. The johnson and johnson vaccine has the same thing. Now there have been six reported cases of cvs t people being famous withdraw beside opinion in women between the ages of eighteen. and forty eight. So the same demographics. Same kind of clinical picture. The same blood clot same. Timeframe wanted two weeks. After the johnson and johnson vaccine also the johnson and johnson vaccine and the astra zeneca vaccine are both adna virus vaccines. So there's they're similar. they're not the same. The jay is human adenovirus. Astra zeneca is a chimpanzee adenoviruses. But they're both modified adenoviruses virus. They weakened it they made. It produce the protein from the cove firestone. Then yes that the told school. It's not right it's old school. These are both were sure but fine. That's perfectly chronicling vaccines and was worried. For 'em are though. I'm not worried. And you know the the two women are eight vaccines kicking s baby. It's a few days having credibly. High efficacy either incredibly safe. There's been no problem just to be absolutely clear like the modern and pfizer vaccines. There are no problems with hundred million doses and more in the us. And there's really no issues. And they've been out longer than the than the johnson johnson vaccine so to be clear with the j. and j. vaccine we are seeing. It's a very very very very very very very rare million number. You're the numbers are similar to the astrazeneca vaccine in an order of magnitude. So there have been with almost seven million doses. There have been six cases of the clock. one deaf. So that's a million to one of developing the clot and seventy million to one of developing of dying from it. Although dahlin youngish women all in women eighteen forty eight hundred eighteen to forty eight. Here's my concern and this comes up because earlier today on my nine hundred job. Because apparently i'm not doing enough. I also do a live daily. Hit for my local station every day and our reporters today covered the fact. That governor nusa has decided to suspend youths here in california. And i think we're starting to see this across a lot of nations right and so and it's like okay. Well we've got enough other vaccines probably okay. We know the only you know kids can only take the pfizer one. Sixteen seventeen year olds can only take the pfizer one. So we're we're covered there. But the concern is that we have such a large population of un housed individuals and the one shot vaccine is so important for public health and to completely suspend it even though the vast majority of individuals who'd be receiving it are older and men. It worries me that those people might not end up getting the coverage that they need because they might be hard to track down for a second. So why can't they just order a limitation on who can receive the johnson so much more complicated and to be clear the cdc in the fda presented a joint statement where they recommended pausing vaccine. The fda did not pull its emergency use authorization. They didn't ban it. They didn't stop it. They basically left it up to the states with their recommendation of pausing until they have a chance of investigating these reports Ends with the states can do what they feel is necessary depending on how their vaccine rollout is going. So you're correct the once sort of niche for this vaccine the. Jj vaccine are the poor because they as you say one shot vaccine. It's easier for that to happen then to schedule two shots. It's also doesn't need the cold chain you can refrigerate it so rural areas. It's better for but it's more convenient more convenient absolutely however however this is complicated you look at the big picture it's less than five percent of the total doses given have been jj so it's a very tiny part of america's vaccine out the other thing is. There was a huge problem. They tried to shift their manufactured to baltimore to the united states. I think it was in the dutch factories. Making it and there was a problem with contamination and millions of doses had to be thrown away. So we're actually in the middle of a shortage of jj vaccine right when this happened so it already people were. Were not able to get the jj vaccine. That's interesting just coincidence. Yeah and if you crunch the numbers. I know that it might be subpopulations. That were that this could affect but if you look at the numbers between the maternal and defies her vaccines they are putting out enough vaccines more than three million a day to keep up with our ability to get shots and people's arms and to keep up with demand and so probably here in california demand is fine the issue is. Are there people who won't be able to reach you know. Would we have been able to if we had a single shot vaccine us. So you have to factor all this together and they run the calculation the those seven million people who got the j. vaccine that saved thousands of lives compared to one person who died from the side effect so risk versus benefit versus benefit is on the favor of giving the vaccine but the whole time. The fda will approve a drug that has a one in a million death toll. That's not that's not a deal killer for a drug just going black box warning. And then they they really. They wanted physicians to be fully aware of the side effect. That you don't treat it like you normally treat blood clots. They wanted patients to report symptoms. So this is partly for public awareness. It's partly for transparency and each state has to make a decision about whether or not what the risk versus benefit as. I do unfortunately think that this is going to lead increase vaccine hesitancy. But it was going to do that about how they handled it just the mere fact that it was going to do that no matter how they handled it. Yeah it's a it's a. It's a very tough to do this right. pr wise. Yeah so you have the kind of spinach you have to say. Well this is. This is proof that the system is working very careful monitoring system in place it. Pick this up with very few numbers. Were being very cautious. This vaccine hasn't been out nearly as long as pfizer and madonna and so that those two vaccines have had many more doses over a longer period of time with nothing showing..
"steven novella" Discussed on The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
". All right. . So what happened in the last week that was newsworthy okay. . Something about someone came down with something someone or someone's the president called covert nineteen and was basically a super spreader event at the White House and ton of the people in his orbit also came down with covered nineteen. . I think it was one, , thousand, , nine, hundred, , , Steve Count messed I heard. . Wow, , ironical. . So it highlights the fact that this pandemic it's still ongoing it's very infectious agent. . You have to be extremely careful one of the things that came out of this though. . So again, , we're not trying to pick on trump, , but this is something we have to talk about. . There was a lot of confusion surrounding pretty much everything to do with with the president's infection. . He went to Walter Reed Hospital which which is a military hospital and it's where the president would go when he gets sick and. . The care that he received there was was odd it's not how would a regular person would have been treated that way there is something by the way if I could back up for a second in medicine, we , do refer to recall VIP medicine where if you have a very high profile VIP patient, , sometimes they get special treatment but the thing is it's usually not better than standard care. . It sort of VIP care can often be worse because any. . That biases, , the decision making if you think about it, , the clinical decision making should already be optimized to risk versus benefit and all that stuff. . And anything that biases that is going to deviate from optimal it could only be good. . That's the only. . Time where where it's better medicine is obviously in the superficialities Tad. . Service when a <hes>, , a Saudi prince, , a literal Saudi prince basically bought the entire floor of the hospital. . For him to stay yes. . You get that kind of treatment but the actual medical care unless like you can't pay for things well, , and that's the real problem in our country. . Right? ? Is that some people are getting not optimal care simply because they can't afford not optimal care right and actually. . To be honest with you if you're sick, , you know most people are getting the care that they need enshrining for to the. . Hospital just does it and worries about getting paid for it later to be honest with you and they are sort of baking into the whole system taking a loss. . But regardless of how you feel about trump like he is the president, , which means he needs to be well as soon as possible. . Be Getting. The . best care should. . Carry that we can deliver. . But where the VIP care deviates from optimal is when they do things like give experimental treatments you know. . I think drugs that usually only give people when they're. . Right he got he got one experimental treatment, , a monoclonal antibody. . He received the rent. . Vir, , which is pretty standard but again usually. . Given in severe cases, , but the the real the real curious thing was that he was given steroids and steroids are usually reserved for people in the later stages the people who have the WHO get the immune reaction after the first week or so that sick when they're immune reaction like a really negative immune reaction kicks in then we give them steroids to sort of tamp that down you don't necessarily want to give them initially because they the steroids suppress the immune system, , right might suppress your ability to fight off the virus earlier. . So there's no prophylactic kind of benefit to. . Perhaps he was sicker than they let us. . Yeah. . So there's a mismatch between what we're being told about how was and what we were being told about what he was getting and I tell you I'll say when I become a super VIP and I go to the hospital and by a floor whatever I do I will say give me the standard of care but add on demand. . Foot massages. . Treat. . Strategy that's your VIP tree. That's . fine. . But he got steroids and so pretty evasion oxygen. . Actually Multiple Times Oxygen Standard Your. . Drop you're right but but that's what I'm saying like maybe he was sicker than we thought because within the first lake apparently, , he got oxygen while he was still at the White House before they decided to bring him in and then the doctor was really cagey about whether or not he was still needing oxygen supplementation. . You correct we're kind of talking about two different things. . So you're correct in that there's a mismatch between the different things that we're being told. . When did he contract it? ? When did he know? ? Was He? ? When did it become symptomatic? ? How sick was he did he require oxygen? ? Did he have pneumonia the his doctors being cagey about all of these things but we did learn that he did on two occasions. . Occasions was temporarily given supplemental oxygen because Oh two's rations dropped, , which means there was some pulmonary involvement but the steroids is a different issue I. . Don't think that's a manifestation of him being sicker than we were told because he would not be out of the hospital now if that were the case. . That's a manifestation I. . think of them throwing everything at him to get him better as quickly as possible even if it's not necessarily the best thing. . It could backfire sicker. . Yeah. . I I don't know what's going on behind closed doors but. . Wouldn't give that at this stage of the illness and I've read multiple articles of of of covert nineteen treating doctor saying just doesn't make any sense this. . There's no scenario where he should be getting steroids at
"steven novella" Discussed on The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
"Roll come to this country. The Universe today is Wednesday July eighth twenty twenty, and this is your host. Steven Novella joining me this week or Bob Novella, everybody, Cara, Santa, Maria, howdy, and Jane, Novella Hey guys I've been. Bernstein is out this week. Is Neck deep in other people's taxes. Guys Do. You know what he's. He had like a weird like mid tax break which he's never had before. Pick about it right? Yeah I, think everybody did. Last night. So like screw this finishing this crap I hate it and also I think the thing. Is Nobody really knew what was going to happen, but a lot of people got hit super hard, which is why the tax deadline was pushed back so they're like I can't afford to pay my taxes right now, but maybe come July all be in better place financially. Unfortunately, a lot of people are even worse place financially now. There's just kind of kicking. The can down the road speaking of that Steve What are the latest numbers are not good. You know especially in the United States so worldwide. We've surpassed twelve million cases with over five hundred and fifty thousand deaths. In the U, s where over three million cases and Around, one hundred thirty thousand deaths, at least that number's always because probably more. And you know it's just in the US just exactly what we warned about. We're seeing the second hump in the first wave and the greatest number of new cases per day is happening right now. This is a greater surge than we had back in March and April, and this is what we talked about. What happens when we start to open up what happens if then cases start to surge again, what will be? Do you know people have lockdown fatigue? The economy's already taken a big hit from the first lockdown. Some states opened up too quickly. They didn't do it properly with enough testing and contact tracing. And now we're seeing this really bad second wave and the sad thing is. They're having to do it kind of haphazardly like they're the states where they said. Okay we want to reopen, so they never really fully lockdown or they did, but they only stayed lockdown for like two weeks, and then they were like okay bars. We got to reopen. We got to get the economy going. And now the cases are just bananas out of Control and so they're doing this like quick quick. Quick your mask back on, and it's kind of like it's haphazard. It's not clean. It doesn't feel as controlled. And I think that's where things really do. Fall through the cracks, and then, of course we have this whole. Political Anti Mask Movement. That does seem to correlate with some of the same states where we're seeing these spikes. We definitely see in California. I mean you know in more conservative districts, but there are sort of marbled in California, so I definitely hear it even in L. A., it's not as common but. Not that Far Away San Bernardino County's very close, and you see the people. Holding angry signs and it's just. Did you guys hear that they did? A study showed that if they mandated mask you have. Made it pretty much requirement? Everyone wearing masks in public that they could save forty five thousand lives over the course of I'm not sure what the course of the period the period of time would be I think like three or four months. Five thousand I mean if that number that was that was fairly solid number. Would what else would you need but like okay, then we're. We're doing this. You have to wear a mask in public period. Almost the Vietnam War right there. Yeah, no more was fifteen thousand so imagine we could save the same number of lives lost over ten years the Vietnam War just by wearing I think it's such a profound number that we're not even equipped intellectually to really understand that that much right like I don't know forty thousand people I can't picture forty five thousand people sitting in a room I don't know what that looks like. I look like a baseball football stadium. Wouldn't that be roughly? Park, speech larger than the student body of my Alma Mater and speaking of masks. Study this week very that people might be interested in, so they just compared different types of masks, and how well they work, and of course the ones that you think should work the best do right so the ninety nine masks supposed to stop ninety nine percent of the virus were the best followed by end ninety five of course block, Ninety five percent of the virus, and their tests show that those numbers roughly accurate. And then followed by surgical masks, so they were the next, so those are the ones that healthcare workers are using, and they do work the best for the homemade ones they said was the best so <hes> actually interestingly, using vacuum cleaner filters was the best like homemade option. Just make a little pocket in your mask. You put those filters in there, and you can replace them like if they get moisture used. And that was the best using any kind of a close. We've. tight-knit cotton was good. They said what did not work is wearing. A scarf doesn't really do much to the only a slightly better than no mascot, all or a t shirt like pulling a t shirt up over. Your face doesn't work very much at all either so stick with the. multi-player cotton, and if you put a filter
The Skeptics Guide For Wearing Masks
"Roll come to this country. The Universe today is Wednesday July eighth twenty twenty, and this is your host. Steven Novella joining me this week or Bob Novella, everybody, Cara, Santa, Maria, howdy, and Jane, Novella Hey guys I've been. Bernstein is out this week. Is Neck deep in other people's taxes. Guys Do. You know what he's. He had like a weird like mid tax break which he's never had before. Pick about it right? Yeah I, think everybody did. Last night. So like screw this finishing this crap I hate it and also I think the thing. Is Nobody really knew what was going to happen, but a lot of people got hit super hard, which is why the tax deadline was pushed back so they're like I can't afford to pay my taxes right now, but maybe come July all be in better place financially. Unfortunately, a lot of people are even worse place financially now. There's just kind of kicking. The can down the road speaking of that Steve What are the latest numbers are not good. You know especially in the United States so worldwide. We've surpassed twelve million cases with over five hundred and fifty thousand deaths. In the U, s where over three million cases and Around, one hundred thirty thousand deaths, at least that number's always because probably more. And you know it's just in the US just exactly what we warned about. We're seeing the second hump in the first wave and the greatest number of new cases per day is happening right now. This is a greater surge than we had back in March and April, and this is what we talked about. What happens when we start to open up what happens if then cases start to surge again, what will be? Do you know people have lockdown fatigue? The economy's already taken a big hit from the first lockdown. Some states opened up too quickly. They didn't do it properly with enough testing and contact tracing. And now we're seeing this really bad second wave and the sad thing is. They're having to do it kind of haphazardly like they're the states where they said. Okay we want to reopen, so they never really fully lockdown or they did, but they only stayed lockdown for like two weeks, and then they were like okay bars. We got to reopen. We got to get the economy going. And now the cases are just bananas out of Control and so they're doing this like quick quick. Quick your mask back on, and it's kind of like it's haphazard. It's not clean. It doesn't feel as controlled. And I think that's where things really do. Fall through the cracks, and then, of course we have this whole. Political Anti Mask Movement. That does seem to correlate with some of the same states where we're seeing these spikes. We definitely see in California. I mean you know in more conservative districts, but there are sort of marbled in California, so I definitely hear it even in L. A., it's not as common but. Not that Far Away San Bernardino County's very close, and you see the people. Holding angry signs and it's just. Did you guys hear that they did? A study showed that if they mandated mask you have. Made it pretty much requirement? Everyone wearing masks in public that they could save forty five thousand lives over the course of I'm not sure what the course of the period the period of time would be I think like three or four months. Five thousand I mean if that number that was that was fairly solid number. Would what else would you need but like okay, then we're. We're doing this. You have to wear a mask in public period. Almost the Vietnam War right there. Yeah, no more was fifteen thousand so imagine we could save the same number of lives lost over ten years the Vietnam War just by wearing I think it's such a profound number that we're not even equipped intellectually to really understand that that much right like I don't know forty thousand people I can't picture forty five thousand people sitting in a room I don't know what that looks like. I look like a baseball football stadium. Wouldn't that be roughly? Park, speech larger than the student body of my Alma Mater and speaking of masks. Study this week very that people might be interested in, so they just compared different types of masks, and how well they work, and of course the ones that you think should work the best do right so the ninety nine masks supposed to stop ninety nine percent of the virus were the best followed by end ninety five of course block, Ninety five percent of the virus, and their tests show that those numbers roughly accurate. And then followed by surgical masks, so they were the next, so those are the ones that healthcare workers are using, and they do work the best for the homemade ones they said was the best so actually interestingly, using vacuum cleaner filters was the best like homemade option. Just make a little pocket in your mask. You put those filters in there, and you can replace them like if they get moisture used. And that was the best using any kind of a close. We've. tight-knit cotton was good. They said what did not work is wearing. A scarf doesn't really do much to the only a slightly better than no mascot, all or a t shirt like pulling a t shirt up over. Your face doesn't work very much at all either so stick with the. multi-player cotton, and if you put a filter
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"Today is Wednesday June, twenty, four, th twenty twenty, and this is your host Steven Novella joining me this week or Bob Novella. Cara Santa Maria Addy Jada Villa Hey. Guys and Evan Bernstein good evening, folks. How is everyone doing? Well Steve Good question. Yeah I've realized now that I really know how well I'm doing. I'm trying to figure out like. What twenty twenty like I don't know. Should I talked to you about how? I'm feeling today or ninety eight point six? Yeah, Vega question. It is a big question because it's. Everything is so weird. You know it is yeah, it's not natural. For data, let's go over. The covert numbers is so here's the. Interesting thing because if you look at the curve for the world, we're still on the upswing. This this pandemic is is accelerating still. Yep, we haven't even crested the first wave. You know if you're looking at new daily cases worldwide that slope is still increasingly going up if Daily new cases, the greatest single number of new cases on June, nineteenth, one, hundred, eighty, two, thousand, one, hundred and eighty two cases June nineteenth. So you know that we have to keep that in mind. I think if you're on a part of the world that's past the crest of the wave. It feels like it's over, but it really isn't and the United. States is a microcosm of that right because the wave is going through the United States and the the. The northeast were four of the five of us live were passed the peak and we're on the downslope, but other than the northeast rest of the country and most states are still increasing. There's still pre crest. You know of that I believe we have like a weird thing where we were extended in California now it's like getting worse again like we thought we were on the other side of it, but then when we opened of course well, that's the other thing. Nope the opening, so it's kind of a by humped wave because we did manage to flatten up, and now it's turning, but we didn't really turn it down, but it did start in those in some states it was flat, and then they opened up cautiously, and that's good, and then some states opened up not so cautiously, and they're surging. They are spending Arizona is the worst right now, but Farda Florida. Yes, or then a bunch of other states are really spiking. You know so. We're not out of the woods yet. You know he's this again. This is the the the. This is the home stretch, but this is that part of the marathon where like you really gotta dig down and keep going? And that's challenging because. Everyone wants to be outside. We all WanNa be at the beach. We all want to be at parties and social gatherings. It's a normal time of year otherwise to do those sorts of things. But. We still have to be cautious and take all the precautions necessary so total cases worldwide nine point, five million total deaths, four, hundred and eighty, three thousand are approaching half a million in the US for a Ching one hundred twenty thousand deaths. That's what are the projection Steve? So it's really hard. Yes, we're. We're at at least one hundred nineteen thousand. They're saying in the US alone two point three million cases. This is almost certainly an underestimate underestimate. The states that are that are spiking the most South Carolina Florida, Texas Oklahoma and Idaho. Rope I've read. One model, one analysis that says that this I wave is probably gonNA, and with about two hundred thousand. That's about where we're going to land and then second waves. Anyone's guess right? It depends on what happened at that point, but given that we're at one hundred nineteen now and most states are still on the increase that seems like a reasonable estimate. But then you the farther out you go. Obviously, the more variables there are so becomes harder to predict and like there's still the big unknown of. When a vaccine is going to become available here, conflicting things so I think the experts are just making their best gas based upon where we are right now, but nobody could really say for sure, but that could be a game changer will see. This is getting a lot of variables there and don't forget. Some people estimate that or estimate that our numbers now one hundred nineteen thousand could be off by thirty fifty percent could be low by thirty. Really did yeah the. Be. Fifty one specific thing I wrote my my science based medicine blog this morning on this mess event held in Phoenix Mega Church. Because heard about this. Yeah, I was actually interviewed for inside edition which they would last night and I wrote about it today as well, and they're holding a trump rally. They're actually they did yesterday, right? But the the the owners of the Church said. We're good. We're okay because we've installed this special air ventilation air filtration system that will remove ninety nine percent ninety nine point nine percent of the covert virus within ten minutes. So everyone is saw every leasing. Why don't we have? Every plane if that works, yeah, the church is a massive complex, but it has a main auditorium that can hold several thousand people at one time, so it's it's bad. 'cause like this big kind of some somewhat circular auditorium. So you know I wrote an article basically breaking down why that claim that is total nonsense the idea that if you have an effective air filtration system. That you can mask either in side so a couple. Quick points hit. The highlights the idea that it removes ninety nine point nine percent of the virus that. Isolation is plausible because filters can do that, the question is how much time would it take to do that now? They said ten minutes, but that's based upon study of a small closed, sealed off room,
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"Hello and welcome to the skeptics guide to the universe today. Is Wednesday June third twenty twenty and this is your host. Steven Novella joining me this week or Bob Novella everybody Cara Santa Maria, had a Jay Novella Guys Evan? Bernstein good evening. Folks you all doing today well pretty. Trying hard, it's been a tough week and a tough week. That's happened since our last show. A little bit co vid. UPDATES I like we usually do so. The numbers are continued to increase of course, but you know in the US definitely is a leveling off. The parts of the country that peaked I are starting are the the new cases, the number of new cases are declining, but some other parts of the country where that peaked later are still on the upswing, and some are even spiking a little bit, and so we're you know again as I said before beginning that transition to the next phase where we're starting to partially roll things out, and I think the next month or two. Two is going to really tell a lot about how things are going to go, you know. Do you think that's because like the most populated cities it did tend to peak I and so even if like the more rural areas or suburban or less populated areas are now starting to see their cases peaking, it's just like in terms of gross numbers. Fewer people yeah I. Think so. Yeah, this is Dan. We're definitely getting into the more rural phase of the spread of the virus now right absolutely plus also in the news. No zombies have showed up yet Let's get. Out about that a little of both j little both all right Bob I'll I'll surprise you. One of these nights I'll come over your house. I'll dress up. I'll do the whole thing. But I imagine. How another hydroxy chloroquine study came out. This one showing does not protect people from acquiring Kovic. So you can give it as a preventive to people who are not does not reduce their risk of getting it. On the good side the study, the first study of convalescent convalescent plasma plasma from people who are who covered nineteen and got better. Show that it was safe. This was an open label trial. Not Out of control try. This is a phase. One safety trial showed that it was safe, and the I think it was like twenty people, or whatever in the study they rose more than ever one thousand nine of them recovered, so they they did. They did well the. Test, yeah, yes. This April plasma is with antibodies and so again not wasn't an efficacy trial, so we can't say really that it works based on this trial. We didn't feel them, but yeah, but it looked. It looks preliminarily positive, but we'd now. This will pave the way for for an efficacy trial where we compare it to. Control. So that's good and. Now half with you my second week working in the hospital and he'll nap. Have you had a recent test? Now? I've been tested. They're only testing happy only testing symptomatic hype. Initially we record the show last week I'd only were there for a few days and it is a bit of a shock know after two months of being in lockdown to be stroll around the hospital. Full of sick people was. Different experience. Culture shock yeah in a way, but now I'm sort of seeing the other side of it. Yeah I think we got this lockdown pretty tight in that. The people working in the hospital are all really diligent. What I mean like everyone's wearing a mask wearing gloves washing in and out of patient rooms are guarding the protective gear you know. Doing doing social. And and you know we've made lots of workflow changes. You know we're not doing the on mass rounds that we used to do. We've really changed how how we're doing things and they'll probably be like the new normal for quite some time absolutely. The next year's fair Paris fashion show is going to be you know gowns and masks, and all sorts of protective equipment might be you never. Know. What it! Might be, that's just how how interesting so I mean this is this is. A risk of four hundred and fifty thousand people, healthcare workers have contracted covid nineteen around the world. Aches so. Out Obviously it's a higher risk than. Being in the hospital I. Mean you think about it? A hospital is the worst place to be. Spreading disease covert, which was thinking about it, so it's a space. Building. Con- confined to some extent with tons of people. Many of whom are sick and you're people, large groups of people are moving around the hospital like literally going into different patients rooms. You know what I mean, so it's like it's a complete setup for the trainer allows all of totally this is why. The precautions have been have been increasing over the course of my career. You know over the course of historical time as infectious diseases get more menacing, and this is just the latest iteration of that, and I do think that there's going to be permanent changes to how hospitals functions function in response to covert one, thousand, nine, hundred, probably because over nineteen, going to be a permanent addition to our Germans fear so. Did you like there were changes after after Mersa started to become A. Hundred thousand people are in hospital. I mean there's there's specific protocols. If someone's mercer positive as specific protocol associated with that I, have one patient on my service now. WHO's positive? It's a gown and glove. Every time you go in, and that's always been the case since mercer was discovered. And it's very common so same things same things with other antibiotic resistant. Bacteria and also certain respiratory. Infections and tuberculosis like every time there's a new big infectious disease pretty much permanently changes practice, so, but the thing is so i. am feeling better I. think in a way is like we got this. You know we're doing everything we can do. We're of minimizing it. The professionalism is definitely there and I think. Healthcare workers is getting more experience with covenant. We're learning a lot about it, so we're sort of getting a grip on it, but there's just no way around the fact that it's a risk and that already there's been a huge price paid by healthcare workers for for being on
"steven novella" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience
"Was so big listening to purple rain. While you're in the trunks just keep sicker. That's interesting though. I wonder if music does persuade the successful -ness of the you know the the pregnancy and getting pregnant. That's a good question right. If if having Mozart play for your growing baby makes them a little bit more. Able to be intelligent and make smarter choices. Maybe it can sort of help. People get pregnant quicker when I was a kid was one of the first generations of people that had walkman okay so when I was working out I was going to the gym back in like the fucking eighties. All right when I was in high school and I was wrestling. I would have a cassette player. I was as I would like. Sit On my hip. I like this fucking neoprene belt or some shit. I forget how strapped in but this cassette player and headphones and I would go to the gym. And there's you could listen to your own music at the gym. This shit was unheard of understand this unheard of and are a member doing leg presses to welcome to the jungle. I remember thinking how strong I felt because of this news. Your daughters are gonna be fine so I got off the leg press and I was like. That's crazy because like I literally felt like I had more energy like something happened. I wanted a fucking go harder because of the music and I was like okay. It's doing something I know. It's exciting me. And that's making. But what else is going on this stimulus? Music's the only thing that stimulates all areas of your brain simultaneously. It's one of the only thing that's what I've read off of your off of your twitter feed sixteen including nail growth and including your sperm success. All of it. It's kind of true. There's a book on audible. I listen to this book you read your doctor called music. I honestly even think makes sense person who is doing most of the talking as was someone. That's been on the podcast. I can't remember off the top of my head who it was but they were talking about like when you're running so like if you're listening to music at a loud volume that takes an amount of brainpower. Just be processing that. Add that on top of the physical activity. You're doing that. Takes brain power to do plus endorphins? Plus all the chemical process. There is something that happens. There it has been studied cannot regurgitate it. Obviously but I only know that would imply that it's actually. It hinders performance because requires resources. Rico resources listen to music and then resources to run but not necessarily if it's engaging the BR- the entire brain is being engaged. I would think it would enhance the ability for you to exercise. And maybe some of the Maybe get out of your own way. Yeah yeah in. The only reason I know about it is because with research with Alzheimer's they say when the Alzheimer's patients reach a certain level or even just early on in their diagnosis that music can help. Alleviate some of the stresses and anxiety and associated with a disease and because it activates the parts of the brain most of the parts of the brain that is thought to be a therapy for people who have Alzheimer's accents. Yeah because it's doing something to juice up your brain I would be like almost like a sauna for your brain exactly like during the last two weeks of my dad's life he could not communicate couldn't eat his motor function functions and everything had just stopped. We played Sinatra. That motherfucker. Didn't talk for two weeks played Sinatra. He started to sing in which song finally to the ironically. A good one. Yeah he started seeing and he also the last thing he laughed at was a far. So your let's fire up the cash. Is that what it's called Don else? I love her mom. My man sells candles. I loved Jimmy. Mixed up to listen to the same time though. So there's a book called music in your brain which is a by. I believe his name is so I just had its Levitan was his last name. Yeah Steve I believe in love and I think I have book yes and then I also listen to a separate thing which is by someone who has been here Steven Novella. You're deceptive mind. He hasn't busiest scientific. He hasn't no. Oh I thought he has. No I'm sorry Deceptive mind guests. It's hard to I mean there's we're at like fifteen hundred gift. John Carroll interviewed someone that did a podcast on the music and the brain. I think that's where I was confused. Okay Interesting Donald. Candle does well. It's the the key to candles. Is You have to burn them until if to cut them. First of all you need to cut the wick and then you have to let them burn until the whole area is melted so that it burns equally all the way down That looks like a disaster. This is your. It's a mess. It's no surprise somebody sent me one. It's like a Bernie Sanders as Jesus. Marcus I'M GONNA guess you've got those. Did that come from. Vermont. It's not GonNa Stay League surgery on this candle thing. Yeah you gotTA gotTa cut out some of that. Google's he this is but this is a guy that's industrial. He's figuring out what to do. Industrious figure out what to do. Like I know what I'll do I'll candles. Yeah that's actually. Smoking should at least seems to be working so I made a ball candle. Congratulations on that. But so did you. Are you openly admitting that you were inspired by Gwyneth PALTROW'S VAGINA? Where's the Bohol Candle girl? How many of these candles we. We haven't even opened yet. I don't even know what the thing that shops gonna be. Open soon website. What is it really smart? How do you create a whole smell? It's sweet with a little bit of weather swamp fog. Well yeah thank you swamp bog which they won't be at Coachella this year. They're opening for jared LETO fair to the stage swamp fog strong cloud. Yeah.
The Skeptics Guide
"Today is Wednesday March Eleventh Twenty Twenty and this is your host Steven Novella joining me this week or Bob Novella. Everybody Cara Santa Maria. Addy Jane Avella. Hey guys and Evan Bernstein. Good evening folks. So it's official the World Health Organization who has declared a worldwide pandemic. Welcome APPS. Well yeah we were. Just I mean we were at this point. We were there just still. It's a milestone only. It is at some point like it's like a certificate you would put on your kids wall. I survived the pandemic t shirt when he wanted story. It's only the third time right. You got the Spanish flu in the late. Nineteen we have the wealth twenty eleven and this burglar twenty eleven. No it was a big enough current pandemics HIV AIDS in Corona virus recent pandemics include nineteen eighteen influenza and the two thousand nine flu pandemic. You're right Steve H. One and one bird flu right or is that swine flu swine flu swine flu and then HIV AIDS. Though it is a global pandemic. It's been categorized. Okay all right we're will make sense. It makes sense so thousand case three thousand cases in the US. Italy is you know they're in the middle. I think of their epidemic China's on the other side of their heirs right. We're just gearing up so now we're in. The phase of social distancing is kind of the word of the day for the US so you know events are being canceled left and right no non essential travel. People are starting to talk about taking their kids out of schools now ours our high school. They're basically gearing up there sending emails out saying that you may have to shut down. We haven't decided yet. But this is what we're GonNa do if we do. And there's sort of laying out the plan threes and it seems inevitable. A lot of colleges are saying we're doing all online classes for the rest of the semester. I'm lucky that I go to school. That's mostly online anyway so I feel like my professors are really prepared. They know what to do. They've been really up to date with everything getting the emails out about plans for in person meetings but I feel bad for a lot of the professors who have never taught online before because it's a totally different skill set and you have to know what to do. Yeah and they're just going to be thrown into it and also the students who have never done online classes like it requires a different amount of self efficacy. I don't know what are we gonNA have older professors taking pieces of chalk and trying to write on so it looks like as of today today the eleventh. Yes yeah one hundred. Eighteen thousand three hundred twenty six confirmed cases globally and four thousand two hundred ninety two deaths. That's that's alive sewer. We'll be talking about a couple of corona virus related news items a bit later in the show. But yeah this is. You know we've been talking about it. You know obviously for months giving the updates and now we were just hitting. I think we could see the peak coming now. You know in. Us As least and a Lotta experts are saying now. Basically everyone's GonNa get exposed. You know it's really just a matter of. How quickly is it going to happen? The key is we want to slow it down as much as possible so it doesn't overwhelm our resources so it's not that we're GONNA keep it. We're not going to keep it from spreading. We're just going to slow the spread because that's a huge difference there were some jackass on. Tv saying just to expose everybody now with opposite. WanNa do we because then the mortality spikes when you run out of things like then a laters beds. It's not going to be literally everybody. It's going to spread through the population. But that doesn't mean everybody's going to be exposed right. I think that everyone is not going to necessarily contract it. The infectivity is not one hundred percent now. But unless you're like seriously isolated you're probably going to get exposed there whole countries where there's only like three cases. Yeah it'll get there eventually. That's the point that's what they're saying it's GONNA it's the human population has no immunity right. So it's a naive population. And it's going to make the rounds. It's going to eventually. Just make the rounds all over the world and then it'll slow down mainly because people will have either most people have already been infected. They won't be enough new. You know naive hosts to keep it going and do we know that you can't be reinfected. Well you'll have. Some level of immunity may not necessarily be one hundred percent of your no longer naive host. You have an immune system that seen seen this virus before the other thing is we want to slow it down and maybe an Iraq seen in twelve to eighteen months we have a vaccine and maybe we further slow it down and also. Maybe it'll be a seasonal situation and it actually will naturally slow down over the summer and give people some relief up until the new season starts if it operates seasonally. Yeah so any of the other thing that everyone is saying which is correct is don't panic but use your commonsense. You know just to avoid unnecessary contact with lots of evil face mask in the. Yeah yeah at least. Some Clark's wipes for the rest of us. Please honks toilet paper yeah please? The Toilet Paper Discusses Shelves Empty. And also don't be getting into fistfights over toilet paper at Costco. It's embarrassing yeah. We don't need a Thanksgiving Black Friday incident. Oh they're all over the world embarrassing. Okay Kerry you're going to give us a what's the word? Yes Oh. This word was sentenced by Linda from Petaluma California. She said I teach chemistry in high school and this term came up recently. So I figured I'd share with you and the whole crew. It's one I've always loved for the simple fact that I find it fun to say out loud. Always a good one to bring up in casual conversation and the word that she recommended is. Moity and Moya and many many of you have asked that we spell the words each week and this is an especially. I think. Necessary one dispel M. E. T. Y. Yeah it's a good one right and so I'm going to start a little bit with the etymology. Because then I think it makes more sense. When you look at all the different usages. Because it's true I had only ever heard of this word in a chemistry context but it apparently also has a sociology context as starting Brooklyn. No it's okay kind of were all French and it also has a property definition so the etymology of the word. Yeah it's from the Latin originally but the first time that has started to look like is old French around the fifteenth century in that usage it meant an equal half a half part or a share which is basically still its definition is just become a little bit more specific over time so if you look in like a dictionary definition you're gonNa find that it means let's see Miriam Webster. Which is kind of the American standard will say one of two equal parts. A half or one or two approximately equal parts or one of the portions into which something is divided or one of two basic complimentary tribal subdivisions and if you look at Cambridge Cambridge Dictionary. You'll see something similar. Apar- share something especially when it's divided into two parts but there they've added the chemistry definition but they just wrote a part of a molecule which is honestly not very specific. So if you really start to dig deep into the term you'll see that again. There are basically three main utilizations. There's the chemistry. Utilization Utilization Kinship and then a Moi early title which is a legal term that describes a portion of title ownership. So if it's like a divided tidal which is kind of interesting make sense in kinship. You'll see it. Referring oftentimes to tribal groups usually native American or specifically Iroquois or Australian aboriginal kinship groups. And also. I think there's a native Hawaiian kinship group and with that respect. Moi Eighty is like when there's a group that descends from a larger group and only hangs out with one other group
"steven novella" Discussed on The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
"Today is Saturday everywhere. I twenty twenty and this is your host Steven Novella joining me this week or Bob Novella. Everybody Haras Santa Maria Della Philadelphia and are frequent guests and good friend. George Bob. You're earning those frequent flyer seriously upgraded like the cuts in the warm nuts when we started out so you might have guessed we are in Philadelphia. Pennsylvania we're here for we're in the middle of Hour Extravaganza Tour Pittsburgh Philadelphia and Brooklyn and me like our plan is to always you know. Hey we're all together. We might as well record live. Show so thank you guys on the audience joining us really appreciate the CR our listeners come out we're going to start with a few news items and we're GONNA go into some from some fun bits that we have a special especially plan for this show first Cara. You'RE GONNA get an updated on the corona virus thing right. There's a lot we've been talking about on the show. We're going to continue to give the numbers whereas they they move so quickly. I'll probably break in with some updated numbers on this episode. Because it's going to be a week before this comes out there. And the of course. The conspiracy theories and misinformation mation is exploding as fast as the viruses. Get give us the numbers. What's going on? Yeah so I I flew here and you have the flu. No flu shot okay. I'm Sir my maybe maybe second flue shot of the year. 'cause I forgot if I got it already but I flew here and I would say at. Lax there's also layover. We flew louis straight to Pittsburgh and there was a layover in Phoenix between lax and Phoenix. I would say probably ten percent of the people in the airport were wearing masks. Probably and they were all like a young healthy looking people who ooh I would love to survey them and be like how many of you got your flu shot this year. Is it warranted at this time. Though the airport no no airport wearing a mascot airport. Well I don't think NCAA or Phoenix even have confirmed cases. So I'm not sure I mean that won't not warranted but also whatever I'm not gonNA blame somebody. I just feel like the misinformation nation. They're like they were mostly wearing lawnmower. Masks those are effective and my friends. My it's like the one that's big with the little pinch. I think that just goes like this. It's kind of hard as opposed to surgical mask. which like face with those who are proud to be honest with you? Those are better over the nose. So if you're in a hospital and you you need respiratory precautions to go into patients that's one but it's the one that goes around your ears right. That's like this. Where's the LAWNMOWER? Ones are hard rigid yet. Get a different one. So there's the hard ones that around. There's the surgical masks that pinch your nose which I wonder if the actual respiratory capabilities of them are just the actual size whatever. I will say that my friend who lives in Hong Kong saying it's like mass hysteria there. It's like really out of control. But he was like my favorite is seeing. All the people wearing the masks asks in the street pulled down so that they can smoke cigarettes He's like hundreds of people but anyway so we have some new information and the coolest thing. There's a new article that came out today. In business insider insider that talks about the fact that over the last three weeks there have been they combed the the research literature and found that there have been fifty a scientific studies that have been published now most of them are not peer reviewed obviously because the peer review processes slower than that but a handful of them have been fast tracked in Peer Review. Most of them were published published on different archives. So what they did is look through all of this literature to see like what do we know now that we didn't know that. And so there's a few highlights here. Number one is an update on the number so as of today. which is Saturday February? I there have been two hundred fifty nine people who've died and the infection which I have in here is at least twelve. Thousand people have been infected two hundred fifty nine dead. Twelve thousand infected That's obviously going to change range because we see those numbers going up pretty quickly and let's talk about the rate the air when a jump ahead to that. Here's Steve Breaking in with the latest numbers as promised so this it's now is being recorded on February eighth twenty twenty as of right now. The latest numbers are a thirty four thousand nine hundred fifty eight confirmed cases. Six thousand one hundred six. Those are deemed to be in severe condition. There are seven hundred. Twenty four confirmed deaths. So as you can say the numbers numbers are increasing geometrically and obviously the numbers are going to get much higher before this infection plays itself out. Okay let's get back to the show so there have been a couple of different ways to try and identify with the rate of infection is and the idea here they call it. The are not which is for everyone infected person. How many other people are they likely going to the fact? And they're saying that it's between one and five based on the literature which is pretty eyes and just to just for background if you're more than one the infection spreading if you're less when one is dying out with the abol outbreaks rose waiting for that number to get below one in because that's when we're on the far side of that as long as it's over one it's going to continue to read. Yeah Yeah and so looking at the average of that. There's a study that was published in the Lancet on Friday. That said that they think it's about two to three people per infected person so that means that the infected population would double every six and a half days so they are saying that it looks like it's more infectious than SARS but it actually seems to be less deadly than Murs wore SARS the other two big corona viruses that have caused a lot of problems and they. There's a great chart that it's all as of January thirty first that they pulled some of this data. I'm some day day. No some of it was actually pulled from the end of the other infection cycles obviously and so comparing so so far. The novel Corona Virus The twenty thousand novel Corona Virus. which is what kind of calling it? Or the Wuhan Corona virus the infection rate or. I'm sorry the fatality rate. That's what they're comparing impairing in. This chart appears to only be two point two percent. I shouldn't say only because that's still very high. Compared to other special pathogens were talking merce thirty four percent thirty to forty percent which is huge ours around around nine or ten percent Marburg virus. Eighty percent I mean when we start to look at feeling the viruses. They're bad ebola. Forty Percent Hendra fifty seven percent Nipah virus also very high year on there. Yeah I mean they just have all the bullets together. The misleading the flavors over a year. It was nasty. They were but still in terms of the total number of cases. It's much low not much lower than novel. VOL- Corona virus so far. But it's still not that high in the grand scheme of things so you know here's a fun fact. H One n one right. H One n one. We just had them. I'm guessing the car. How many cases worldwide? I'd love to hear you guys. How many cases do you think worldwide would put in context exactly what each one in one is? That was the bird flu now. They're not the bird flu. H Five within one flu bird flu. H One n when it's it's a little confusing because I don't know if anybody's been watching pandemic on Netflix. But apparently they called the bird flu the swine flu in India idea so it gets a little confusing with the common names age for our for American colloquialism. That's h one n one. The infection was two thousand nine. So that's the more recent one swine flu was or I'm sorry bird-flu with Nineteen ninety-seven. It was a long time ago. They H five n one okay so swine flu. H One thousand nine. How many cases worldwide in total since then one million six hundred thirty two thousand a lot and two hundred eighty four thousand five hundred people died? Yeah so the infection fatality rate there eighteen percents very very high and just in sheer numbers killed. I can't do that math that quickly. Like thirty times. More people than Bolla like something just intense yet. People don't think about the flu. They don't think about the fact that the flu causes so many deaths every year that the flu is very very infectious. And so I think it's not like don't be concerned about corona virus. Only because I don't WanNa be black and white in this but like let's compare these these things let's think about scale. Let's think about these rates. I think the reason that Corona viruses so scary because we don't know much as it could just be a new virus we have to live with exactly xactly. It could be something that we all figure out how to work around. It could be something that takes off. We are still in the early stages. The common cold is made up of four crooner viruses at this particular strain is new Eight different. They're eight different listed or nine seven seven common cold and serves Mars cold pneumonia very comment. What's difference between a corona virus and influenza virus virus whereas I think they're both are a virus virus Pretoria Course Montoya Infections? I mean so. What's an flu virus that that's causing it? And so so the corner viruses are all similar enough. where kind of cousins? Yeah it's a different species like if you could call a virus species which they actually do. I didn't type extremes of that species and therefore different fluids there's influence ABC. Andy I think there's a single species of most of them and then there's a bunch of sub types of A. That's what we're used to. Using the h five n one the one and influence as and their subtypes but think about what the flu feels like. You've never had the it's like. You're lucky I know so. The flu ruled the twenty one for constitution. The flu does have some respiratory symptoms but it's also like deep muscle symptoms right like a lot of people have muscle pain and Malays as is probably the most like identifying feature of the flu whereas Corona these specific of viruses murs SARS and especially especially now this new corona virus is a pneumonia like people have pneumonia symptoms. And so that's what you WanNa look if you have been to China recently or if you've been doing a lot of air travel and you get a pneumonia type experience seek treatment right. That's like tell them. There's a risk here and so yeah. Let's talk about so here's some interesting stuff that they pulled up that Out of all of these studies that were like a little bit I opening they think that anywhere from two to fourteen days is the incubation period for this virus a long time I also think that you can spread it if you're a symptomatic so there's a study that was published published in the New England Journal of Medicine actually is a letter talking about a German case when a thirty three year old man met with a business partner from China three days later so he got fever and chills and horrible nece and then three days later he felt better so he went to work when he went to work he actually infected two of his colleagues so oh remember that some people don't show symptoms and some people have mild symptoms. You know so it's different for different folks and it does seem to be a little bit more virulent not the right word a little bit more deadly for older adults and they didn't they shut school down in Hong Kong for a month and Hong Kong schools are closed until March right. Now my friend who lives who lives there is a teacher and he said the schools are all close till March. He works for a private school and they're doing all of their classes online right now and a lot of physicians in Hong Cong and public health experts are urging China to close the border. Because obviously this is a huge risk there are based on some of these objections another section in this article. They think that the I'm most at risk city outside of China is Bangkok. Because that's the most air travel occurs and the most trade and and then if they were to rank it after that it's Bangkok Hong Kong Taipei Sydney then New York then London and that's based on not cases so far but based on air travel and different kinds of epidemiological forecasts and now seems to be that the consensus is bats. It looks like it came from bats not snakes. There's there's one study that's still pushing for snakes. But there's no evidence so far anything other than an Avian. Urban Malian predominantly Mammalian virus bets. Do this deliberately really hard. Their common resin events breath. Fortunately Corona virus can live in non humans so we call it a reservoir which means a let me get rid of it because this is GonNa be out there in the wild and then finally. There's an interesting one study not pure view yet that suggests that it may not only be respiratory but it might also also pass through the digestive tract. So that's like a secondary transmission potentialities something to be careful of the bigger picture. Here is that China now is serving as an incubator for generating these viruses. The there's been multiple. The bird flu the third corona virus all every ten years ago the krona viruses coming out of Japan..
"steven novella" Discussed on The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
"Today is wednesday august seventh twenty nineteen and this is your. Hey steven novella joining me this week or bob. Novella everybody cara ariss santamaria hattie trailer. Hey guys and evan bernstein good evening folks jay. You're you're skyping in from colorado. That's right. I am on a family vacation. I had my sister-in-law and her family live out in colorado so we're we usually see over the holiday but we decided let's take the kids on ah a nice summer break and mostly working for the kids so one cool thing i think now you know my birthday birthday coming up and i think that my wife is going to take me to do indoor skydiving door well. That's not gel pull that shoot quickly as you hit the. Is that like the step before like. Is that going to help you work your nerves up to doing real skydiving. I think i'm not gonna go real skydiving. Why would i hurl myself out of a perfectly fine air test the limits of textiles sales and the fact that the person that may or may not have packed the parachute correctly like no way endures virtual reality. I don't need any of that. They virginia glass container right. It's exhilarating fair. Real ones exhilarating gabon you did it again would not do it again. You wouldn't oh interesting. I think so it didn't hook you bob. If you feel more alive when you were falling into her life i felt closer to death. What is your tents it. It was men. My adrenaline was going and i remember that point the point in time room like okay. I'm going to do this and that's when i was. I was at the my legs. Were hanging leading off the plane off the plane looking down ten thousand feet. I'm like why did i make this decision but then i'm like all right the guy that's attached attached to me. I asked him. How many times have you made. Twenty three hundred's emulates that forty three hundred jumps. It's got a secondary shoot and if we both pass out it had activated automatically by timber. It's just like it was probably safer than driving to the place where jumped it didn't feel like it though you had to that at the time. Well no one of twenty three hundred. That's pretty good odds. Yeah you wouldn't necessarily want to take odds for no reason but well and it's not one out of twenty three hundred or at least at least one at twenty three hundred. It's probably more uh or less more than what you're talking about. Yeah you're gonna yes we remember. My dad told me i was this. There were people all that packed parachutes for the army. I think and they made them randomly. Use the pair of shoots that they packed to to make sure that they you you know hey you might be using this parachute. You're packing like so. I think you know as a quality control measure for some reason like that didn't make me feel oh good just kind of horrified me like so they had to do that like they make these people use these parachutes. They weren't doing a good enough job. Like what oh i see. No i think it's probably just put your own life on the line good motivation yeah pack your shoot if your life depended on it. That's it kids it does. That's in this case. It did so james. Randi is ninety-one today. I was definitely lee you know as a as an influence or for all of us care. I don't include you on that. Because i know evan intimately <hes> i could say that about him <hes> but but but randy really you know. I don't know if you know this care but we we booked randy for an event at m._i._t. Evan what was it. How many years ago was that while the m._i._t. Event one thousand nine years ago we also brought him in for a yale event twenty years ago one thousand nine hundred nine. He came and spoke at yale which was really a fantastic lecture and sold out that auditorium yeah. That was a great talk..
"steven novella" Discussed on The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
"To the sceptic's universe today is Tuesday may twenty eighth twenty nineteen and this is your host Steven novella. Join him in this week Bob novella everybody care. Santamaria outy, Jay novella guys and Evan Bernstein. Good evening, folks. Carrier, just touring the world doing all kinds of stuff, but you have time for the this week, which we love. Yeah. So excited. Yeah. So we're recording a different night than usual. Because you guys were also nice to be flexible, with my banana, schedule an actual did work this morning. I was in, like a little sound studio in Hollywood shooting some stuff for brain games. And I was able to meet a friend for lunch. So I had to drive all the way across town, and I'm sitting in traffic, because I live in LA and driving across town, and I'm blasting the music so loud, and I'm just really into it, you know, when you're really into it, and you're singing at the top of your lungs, and you've got, like dance moves, and like nothing can distract you from how. Just zoned out. You are listening, jer music. So I'm going hard. I'm sure I look ridiculous. But I'm not thinking about that, at that point. And I'm sitting at a at a red light. And I look over, and this guy is trying to get my attention. And I was like, oh, God. How long has he seen this? And then I notice he's holding up his phone, and I'm like, oh, God was recording me and get creeped out. But then he starts pointing to his phone, like just stick on pointing through phone. And so I turned down my music and I roll down my windows and I waved at him. I'm like, hi. And he's like, I know you I'm listening to you right now. And he's going, and that he's listening to an episode of s. And I was like, I'm so sorry didn't notice you really into my song. Nice to me. Hilarious. Wow. That's so weird. It just happened like in my neighborhood, too. And that was it then he drove away. Yeah. We built our away. That is really. So high didn't get your name, but it was nice to meet you. Maybe you can write us an Email. Tell us who you are. Thing being the personal. You listen to podcasts. Then you see one of the people. Next to you in traffic geared, I guess too. He must have recognized my car, I, I would think, is, you know, my car has a talk in my license is talk nerdy. Yeah. And it's like I talk about my electric car all the time on the show 'cause I can't imagine that he would have recognized me. I was like going hard with the dancing and the singing. I'm just unsure. I would love to hear his side of the story like driving to work and I'm pissed but I'm listening to the G. And then I see. Keira. Not sure if she could see me because she's really into gyrating. Having seizure down nine one, one when how often do you guys get recognized in the wild as I like to say I got recognized in the supermarket. It's weird. It's rare. It's rare rare recognized on an airplane coming back from these solar eclipse in two thousand seventeen it got knows it happens to me, sometimes because I do TV where do more TV. Wreck national exposure. Yeah. And I may have told you guys about this before, but one time I was hiking with my boyfriend's parents were in town, and we were hiking in Griffith park, and some girls stopped.
"steven novella" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"And then, of course, sheepishly I'm reminded that I used to fall for this stuff. I mean, I never really bought into the televangelists in the faith healer so much. I was always kind of a skeptic about that, I attended more conservative churches, usually, but you know, my mom believed in that stuff. And in the larger context, I believed in supernatural, magical healing power. I mean, I didn't see it coming out of the hand of the faith healers, but I still held to this idea that God works miracles today. This is what the pastor's used to tell us from the pulpit, you know, God's still works miracles today. People would be prayed for and I would say to myself. Well, I don't necessarily see a healing taking place at this moment. I don't feel anything at this moment. But who knows at any second? I mean God's gonna make a change. God's going to do something. The Lord works in mysterious ways, you know. It's funny how we rationalize this kind of stuff. I mean, my brain at essentially been programmed to think like this from day one, I was a creature of confirmation bias and pattern seeking and emotion and arguments from a thority, and so if somebody showed up and declared at the top of their voice, you know, God still works miracles. I just accepted. Of course. It's true. If it's not true. Then God is in God. And it certainly wouldn't be true that God is love. So you know, it had to be true. I had to make it true in my own skull. Faithhealers are just Hustler's. I mean, they are the masters of misdirection. No, I'm not talking about the everyday pastors who pray for people. I'm not talking in this show about the sincerely believing yet, deluded pastors and spiritual leaders who will lay hands on and pray for those that they wish to see overcoming affliction and or adversity and those people do exist. I have to be honest and say there are a lot of sincerely believing pastors who have just talked themselves into this believe this acceptance that the Bible's promises of answered prayer are absolutely true. But this shows not really about them. This show is about the other ones. You know, the blowhard evangelical jet-set types, you know, they're posturing from their ten million dollar mansions and driving their Bentleys and enjoying their seven-figure untaxed income, you know, many of these people are students of psychology. They know how to trick the brain. They are experts in manipulating perceptions. You know, the great courses plus has a lot of terrific lectures on this kind of stuff at ties directly into the believing brain. Dr Steven novella has a series called your deceptive mind, Dr Thad poke has a lecture cold the addictive brain. And yes, religion can hijack the mind we've talked about professor Andrew Newberg lecture series, the spiritual brain how our brains can construct myths how rituals can actually alter our neural network affect our behavior..
"steven novella" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"The you might not have had the chance to learn about during school or if you like. If you're like me, maybe you did possibly have the chance, but you weren't paying attention. 'cause you didn't that your teachers are very good definitely more as good as the great courses professors. I have really really enjoyed. The course your deceptive mind by Dr Steven novella. It's truly changed the way. I look at the world around me. How research has podcast fascinating. Look at how our brains worked process information and misinformation, you know, learn how to separate science from pseudoscience that surrounds us every day and just become a stronger critical thinker. I've been leaning on lecture nineteen from this course, electric title, the trap of grand conspiracy thinking for a lot of the secret suck kind of stuff I pursue. And then for the new world order suck Dr novella in this lecture talks directly about conspiracies talks about something called the tough word of and do my best paranoia paranoia. The tendency of our brain to impose patterns on random data brain wants the world to be ordered. Just the way. Our brains connected. We want events that we witness. To make sense, you want to be able to to file them in the appropriate compartments of our mind because a sense of not being able to figure out exactly why something is happening. You know can fill you with dread anxiety. Actually, have the words embrace the darkness tattooed on right bicep. Which is my way of saying we never are ever going to understand why certain things happen or don't. So why worry about it? You know, embrace the unknown because some of the unknown will will inevitably just remain unknown. Despite how much thought you put towards it. And this this mental process of paranoia can manifest itself in conspiratorial thinking you start connecting dots. That aren't really connected just because you just want them to be connected. You you start seeing patterns or no patterns actually exists. The illuminated I on the back of a dollar Bill Pinkerton use of of an all knowing I in their iconography time suck using the all knowing I and there I you know, it's like it's it's going to be connected. They're all part of the freemasons. They're all part of the body. It's all part of the same plan. Or is it that or did a lot of people just think that's a fucking cool. Looking. I I like that. So, you know, for for much more detail nation of what I just touched on so much more so many topics give the great courses, plus a try, I know you're gonna enjoy the.
"steven novella" Discussed on The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
"You're listening to the skeptics guide to the universe. You're scape to reality. What would welcome to the skeptics guide to the universe today is Tuesday November thirteenth twenty eighteen. And this is your, hey, Steven novella. Joining me this week are Bob novella everybody care Santamaria how Jane rela. Hey, guys. Evan bernstein. Good evening, folks. And we have a guest rave this evening, Devon breakout. Devon, welcome to the scepter skied giddy me. So Devon what hath what long and twisty road? Brought us to be a guest rogue on our show this evening. Well, it is kind of a long twisty road. It begins with me becoming a magician at age seven. It's a little bit farther back than I intend. Well, it's it's worth it. It's worth it. I became a magician. Very young age became familiar with James, Randi that became my introduction to critical thinking, which then led me to you guys and eventually into philosophy. And so I'm with you guys tonight because I am a professor philosophy at the university of Nevada Reno teach critical thinking, and I teach core humanities. And I'm you guys have been very influential to my trajectory towards naturalistic and scientific thinking so grave. Cool. So what your specialty as a philosopher? I try to be. Pretty broadly read philosophy can be very contentious with lots of camps. I try not to take sides in those big camps battles continental versus analytical. I think they both have their place. But I do a lot of my work in philosophy of science philosophy of cognitive science and philosophy of critical thinking so a lot of that overlaps with the interests of you guys here. That's so cool and overlaps a lot with like cognitive psychology as well. Hopefully, if I'm doing my job well. To make clear. So Devin, you're actually a patron of ours. I am actually. Yeah. Yes. Oh my God. Thank you so much. But the the reason why you're here is you've successfully been a patron for six months. So you you joined us at the legs level specifically. So you could be on the show, right? That's right. Yeah. I really wanted to talk to you guys. I love that..
"steven novella" Discussed on Oh No Ross and Carrie
"So, hey, but maybe doesn't do anything for sore muscles. When you're told to like, oh, go soak in a bath salts because you're sure oh interesting or whatever you'll probably feel good because of the warm water, and it makes it kind of silky it. If you like that great. But it's not actually doing something chemically. Oh and actually impression I'm getting from very quick Google. Search will hate it. Sounds like we're already talking about. The merits of this rate this on a pseudoscience scale where one is something not at all pseudoscientific like okay, human actions, have contributed definitely to the rise of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and that is overall warming the planet. Okay. So that's a one because like that's pretty much figured out or moist apples, whereas ten is something incredibly pseudoscientific. Like, actually the warming thing is just a Chinese hoax. Hearsay that who did hear say that? I think it was like a bag of Cheetos. Yes. A bag of Cheetos. Okay. That's a ten. This is its biggest problem is it pseudoscience so say a seven. Yeah. That sounds good. Yeah. All seven there's a bunch of claims being made that we saw on printed materials on the website that aren't justified. They're just making the Lada claims thrown out a bunch of words about what salt can do for you salt can in certain instances be good for you. And this was a pleasant experience. I gotta say lay out there. I was thinking boy we are not taking one for the team this time. No. Yeah. It was this is very pleasant happy to be here. And although we were looking at this one salt place, just so you know, we looks up a couple others online. These claims are similar to other salt caves, this is pretty Stanford for the course, where they just start saying all kinds of things about what these natural remedies are going to do for you. And then they start trotting out a long list of ailments. They can cure. And it starts to look like a cure all pretty quickly. And as we all know, cure, all the cinde, sop bones. Also, we mentioned science based medicine has an article that you found on halo therapy by Steven novella. And at the very top. There's a picture of the salt. K if we went to so picturesque. Yeah, it's beautiful. And I think you could promote so many of these sponsor, viruses, even spending some time in a salt cave. Why not without making those claims? I don't think you need to. I think I think you and I might show up. But I don't think a lot of people come up just to be in an artificial cave of salt. Maybe you're right. I could be very different from the standard off. I think that if you had assault cave that was naturally occurring. I think he could just get foot traffic may it's like a basement it's like a basement covered in beautiful salt. Yeah. Aesthetically pleasing. But I wish they could. Say, hey, this is a really fun experience. Feels good. We play some nice music chill out. Relax. And that would all be true. Right. Unfortunately, they have to add on a lot of unjustified claims. I do think they might lose their business if they did that. But sometimes that's what you have to if you're businesses built on something get fish. Okay. Who knows that's a seven. Yeah. That was a bummer. All right. So what about danger where ten is something super dangerous like not getting your flu shot, hang out with your friend who has the flu then going into a convalescent home and running around spitting on stuff, and then going to a nursery with a bunch of babies and tapping them all on the head and go, and you Obagi and read it out. That's the ten ten big part is just for fun for drama. Speaking of which I was just on a podcast that came out recently things that. Keep me up at night. And we talked about things that keep me up at night such as antibac- Sers, right right after I finish talking with them..
"steven novella" Discussed on The Pulse
"Metal and to these patients, acupuncture as just another medical procedure, they can get like a blood test or physical therapy leasing Lau is giving acupuncture to a businessman who came in with skin problems. Acupuncture has become so routine for this guy that heaps talking to an associate on his cell phone. Getting acupuncture done right now. I have to go back later. Okay, good. Leasing loud does not approve. You should really turn the phone off. It's not good for treatment. Okay. I'll turn it off. Yes, turn it off. I'm pumping leasing now says you're supposed to be relaxed doing acupuncture, don't thinking about CEOs. So to recap, we don't really know how acupuncture works. I've spent two weeks in Hong Kong. Looking at acupuncture, people have told me it took their pain away. I'm still not convinced, but I've also never tried it myself yet. Then it always the Adam. With you? The one acupuncture is said that means all never truly understand it. Unless I try it. He says the tea or life energy. I can't see it, but he can show me what it feels like. Lee welcome, talk taxi die, lay mongo. They got along the working library time. He puts a needle in an acupoint about two-thirds of the way up my right forearm. It's not painful and entertain myself by clenching and unclench my fist to see the needle. Wiggle, you go on, knock what's in joking with yourself. I take your. He can see. I'm not impressed. So he offers to try a point that will give me a strongest and sation. Oh, actually on some of them which are more so. ESE's. I think he's laughing because I told him he may as well throw everything at me because I'll never do this again. He places a second needle in the gap between my thumb and index finger. He's right. I can't feel this. The other one I still didn't leave convinced, but in Hong Kong, it's good enough for insurance companies. And the health department back in the US acupuncture is not well covered. Skeptic. Steven novella says, it's appropriate that it's not more widespread here. You're just adding this extra layer of waste into the system, and you are distracting people away from other strategies that might be affective. He's new role just at Yale University and senior editor of the blog science based medicine. There are lots of other skeptics like him in the US, and that might be why acupuncture hasn't caught on with Medicare on the federal level. He says patients my say a few by that because of a placebo effect. But the symptom. Do not object of the improve. He answered the clinical trials have not been able to prove that acupuncture changes anything, although than how the patient feels about their pain, providing nothing real, except you know, smoke and mirrors. And he swore me that if we open the door to acupuncture, then we might open the door to more treatments that we can't back with evidence. This is the thin end of the wedge where they're using placebo effects in order to continuously expand their claims. But where does that leave doctors who are trying to meet the needs of patients who are in pain ER physician Connor Lavalle says he needs more tools. Sometimes she has to use extremely strong painkillers like opioids patients can become dependent off the two months, and then they're back in his office asking for more. It was a frustrating thing to have people come in and ask for refills on medications where I didn't think it was really appropriate to to refill. So I was interested in no alternatives to that. And I was just kind of. Frustrated in out of that frustration came an interest in what alternate possibilities. There might be Connor looked at the research, even tried acupuncture himself. The, I don't think we're ever going to get to the point where it's as widely accepted as other things that we can see tangibly and understand hinge ably from a scientific perspective, like how a pharmaceutical drug works. So he wouldn't go as far as to recommend acupuncture to his patients, but they come in asking, do you think that's silly? Or do you think that I'm crazy doing that or shy try another medication instead. And for those people I've been saying, no, I think it's reasonable if you find it effective and it's not breaking the Bank for you. Then he says, by all means to its personally, I'm sticking to painkillers for the pulse. I'm Alan..
"steven novella" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Beginning to change. This one is at your ankle. Okay. At the medical center in Philadelphia and acupuncturist is placing needles in Reno realities back reality was stationed in Iraq for three years and was badly injured in the mortar attack the Veterans Administration. Here has been offering acupuncture since the early nineteen ninety s I got back, and they did mariah's. It was a lot. I had a. My side ignore was gone. I had heard this guy had desert Senator disease. I had a lot of issues with my spine off the he was injured reality who's thirty eight went through several surgeries. But then he endured major pain and became disabled ended up in a wheelchair because one of the surgeries didn't go. Well, and left me unable to walk and my back, really swollen. And I was in so much pain like just getting out of bed. Like took a lot of effort for years office prescribed reality, strong, opiate narcotics to manage his pain. But he says the medications made him foggy, and they didn't really work. So a few months ago he decided to try acupuncture, and now for the first time since he was injured he's leading a more normal life, and it's getting his bachelor's degree being able to be able to say in a classroom without pain is great to be able to walk without pain. Like, I was not able to do that with the medications. Acupuncture is one of the things I should be tried first. And when patients do try they are very grateful for most of her week Ilyin. The Robinson is a gynecologist but she comes to the VA regularly to treat veterans using acupuncture. Sometimes it's like the first time that they've had a pain level less than five. For example. Definitely it's something that we hope to be able to offer to more patients as demand grows. The VA is a major prescriber of opioids but with the recent increase in opioid overdose. Thefts the agency has been making a push to offer more complimentary and integrative health services like acupuncture. And now the V no longer requires that acupuncturists also have a medical degree to practice. Their more US insurers are covering acupuncture. But it is still not widely accepted in healthcare circles. One prob. Is that there is little science to explain how acupuncture works, and whether it works. What has been happening is this slow steady infiltration of pseudoscience like acupuncture into medicine. Steven novella is senior editor of the block science based medicine and an assistant professor of neurology at Yale University. He Anna the skeptics say there's no proof that the ancient practice is much more than just a placebo. This is the thin end of the wedge where they're using placebo effects in order to continuously expand their claims, and you're distracting people away from other strategies that might be effective, but as thefts from opioid overdoses continue to rise in the US more. Stay top twenty two acupuncture to treat pain and to reduce prescriptions of opiate narcotics. A handful now pay for acupuncture through their Medicaid programs, Ohio, which has some of the highest overdose. Steph rates in the country expanded Medicaid coverage to include. Include acupuncture this year. This is a leave. No stone unturned conversation. Barbara Sears is director of Medicaid. We need to consider anything that we can that extends beyond just the opiate itself. So what are the kind of treatment forms are out there? California, Massachusetts, Oregon, New Jersey and Rhode Island currently cover acupuncture through their Medicaid programs, and Delaware and Washington state are considering doing the same for months which has been grappling with a high number of opioid thefts debated paying for acupuncture for its Medicaid patients, but the seat beside that ultimately there was not enough scientific evidence to fund the ancient practice for the world. I'm avenue. Still ahead. If your ancestors came from Russia, you might like Stravinsky if they came from China, you might like the music of the. Who that's the idea? Anyway, more on what it is coming up here on the world. You never have to miss a minute of the.
"steven novella" Discussed on The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
"You're listening to the skeptics guide to the universe. You're scape to reality. Hello may tease a welcome to the skeptics guide to the universe. It be Wednesdays, timber, nineteen, tuck like a pirate day. And this fear host captain Steven novella. Joining me is the scurvy dog. Bob novella liquors does saucy last care Santamaria Arshi Belo's gene. Call me kept in orange, beard and skelly wag, Evan Bernstein of asked. You may tease apart. Did we just do this. Steve. Vesti skeptics don't get horns waggled hardened old. I liked that one. This is my favorite Cleveland to the bridge too. Translate, please having to cut him across the chest to the Cleveland to the brisket. So if you have a guest, Tiber, nineteenth is talk on international, talk like a pirate day. Is this the first time we're recording on international might be? I don't remember. Maybe. I don't know. I think we may want to this is the first time we remain recording talking. I have collected to incredible para jokes that I've probably said on the show before, be very happy to tell you guys them if you want to hear them. Sure, yes, please. So this parrot walks into a bar where the steering wheel tach to zipper. Nebraska was like, hey, what the hell is that in the Pyrgos rich driving me nuts. Classic classic one is bro. What's the pirates favourite letter in the alphabet are they like are, but they love the sea. All right, I got. I got one. This is from. One of my favorite costumes dragon Khan, and that's and that's saying, but it wasn't just the costume. It was this guy owned that character. So well, that I was following him around to laugh and see what he was going to do and say next and it's the guy in the ship. Yeah. So imagine a guy in in a little ship with legs that are about eight feet long. So work walking on stilts on he hilariously we, I was filming him and you say, oh, you're filming a movie. So one here joke one here. Pirate joke, of course allowed. You know who I am, which he didn't. And so he saying. What's what's on the bottom of the ocean and twitches what a nervous wreck..
"steven novella" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"If there was ever to be an icon, showing how far this phenomenon has ingrained itself in our culture than this sign would surely be it as a culture. We seem to have trouble distinguishing science from pseudoscience history from pseudo history and sense from nonsense. But I think the problem lies deeper than this to get to it. We. Must dig through the layers of culture and society into the individual human mind and heart. There is not a single answer to the question of why people believe weird things, but we can glean some underlying motivations all linked to one another from the diverse examples I've discussed in this book and just a few snippets here more than any other. The reason people believe weird things is because they want to, it feels good. It is comforting. It is consoling many weird things offer immediate gratification. The nine hundred numbers psychic hotline is a classic example. I guess that's kind of dated example. Immediate gratification of one's beliefs has made all the easier by simple explanations for an often complex and contingent world. Morality and meaning at present scientific and secular systems of morality and meaning approved relatively unsatisfying, the most people and hope, hope springs, eternal. Linking all these reasons together is the title of the final part of this book. It expresses my conviction that humans are by nature, a forward-looking species, always seeking greater levels of happiness and satisfaction. Unfortunately, the corollary is that humans are all too willing to grasp at unrealistic promises of a better life or to believe that a better life can only be attained by clinging to intolerance and ignorance by lessening the lives of others, and sometimes by focusing on a life to come anyway, that's kind of a simplified reading from the book, but thought it was interesting Shurmur gets into patterns, city our tendency to see patterns to look for patterns everywhere this is an evolved tendency, and there are reasons that we are patterns seekers. But as a result, we sometimes see patterns that are not. They're a great example is when people claim that they've seen that face a human face or humanoid face on the surface of Mars, right? They can see is in a nose and a mouth. And kind of a rounded head. They've seen a pattern, nee, recognize the pattern and that pattern is human or human esque. Could this be proof of alien intelligence? You know something landed on Mars or already existed on Mars. Perhaps they've got like whole cities maybe underground cities on Mars, and they came up and they carved the face. Maybe it's their way of trying to communicate with us knowing one day we would develop the technology to look through and actually discover and explore the surface of Mars was an actually created by someone from this planet, someone from our past who had developed far before NASA, the ability to travel through space. Oh, you'd be amazed by many of the conspiracy theories out there about the face on Mars? What is it where it comes from what it means in many of these explanations qualify as paves. Actually a great Facebook page. I don't know if you've seen it, it's called faces in things. It's a clever page where people send in photographs of just everyday objects that happen to look like eyes and smiles and expressions, and the photos rendered the effect of giving these inanimate objects that kind of personality. It actually really makes you smile. Look for it on Facebook, it's called faces in things. By the way, there's a name for this phenomenon. It's Peradeniya the human ability to see shapes or make pictures out of randomness and some people out there might believe that this is not an accident. Perhaps these inanimate objects really do possess a personality on weird things. Next up. We'll hear from more of our listeners as they share weird beliefs that they used to hold us back plus just sort of dipping our toes into the water of strange beliefs from around the world, religious beliefs or otherwise. Just weird asks stuff that human beings embraced and believe in the twenty first century, you will hear these. You will then look at someone and you will say, this is why I drink. It's coming up after this. I am a huge fan of the work of Dr Steven novella. You might know him from the skeptics guide to the universe podcast. He is a neurologist, he's an educator..
"steven novella" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"And lately i've been grabbing tons of bonus knowledge with the great courses plus hale nimrod i urge you guys to check it out as well it's so good even have a carter monroe using the great courses as well and what what what are the great courses plus we'll it's unlimited access to deep dives on any topic that interests you you get to learn from some of the world's top professors and experts like this weekend on my on my flight to and from washington dc i watched the great courses plus course on your it's called your deceptive mind several courses in this series called your deceptive mind by dr steven novella downloaded it onto the great courses plus app so i could you know watch it on a plane where it didn't have access to the wi fi the whole time you can stream or download the app dr novella breaks down how to think critically in this series and it's the fucking it's the best it lets you understand how people allow their minds to trick them into coming to the most wackadoo conclusions like he explains how would confront with information life you need to think critically to lead the best possible life examined the premise look at the logic is they're logic what is the motivation of the person talking to you where is the evidence for bigfoot where is big foot he really does use ask watch as an example so good to fascinating look and just how our brains work our brains processed information misinformation if i could only legally tie flat earthers two chairs and force them to watch this course clockwork orange style if they actually truly listen to knock novella they could not keep believing i i don't think but i can't do that but i can't encourage you to listen the critical thinking it's one of many many so many great courses that you can enjoy with the great courses plus thousands lectures you know history science human behavior photography so much more watchlist anytime and of course i have a special time sucker offer please take this you will not regret it through time suck you can get a free month of unlimited access to their awesome lectures and just one leg.
"steven novella" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio
"Exchanging large amounts of their current currency their statesponsored currency for bitcoin that could be traceable so you really all you've done it shifted things how does he traceable though because you're actually going to have a budget item somewhere under someone's budget saying this x amount of money was spent from our budget not if it's a black budget it's classified jonathan come on yeah that doesn't mean that it's not written down somewhere buddy it does so all i'm saying too is like you know in the same vein sure as hell feels like a good way to launder money oh sure no that's another element of the criminal aspect is the idea of using bitcoin to launder money with a way more effective than a car wash also you gotta wonder what the rates are you know is it fifteen percent twenty and then like at what point should you just pay taxes on it yeah so and are these criminals and or the government you do they do you have to use a thing like coin base or is there other entryway into this i mean he's gonna have wallet on your hard drive that's why we'll have their hard drives they lose them and they're like i lost seven hundred million dollars on my hard drive that can happen so we're going to follow up with more of this conversation afterward from our sponsors assuming we don't get black bagged you guys i think i speak for all of us when i say that we like you listeners enjoy exploring the world around us through new and exciting ideas and perspectives and the great courses plus is an incredible way to do that very thing we love it and we know you will too with a great courses plus you can get unlimited access to learn from brilliant engaging professors and experts about really anything that interests you and personally i'm a big fan of the great courses plus app this let you listen to it the way you would listen to a podcast and you can switch from video to audio one course that the three of us have found particularly compelling is your deceptive mind a scientific guide to critical thinking skills in your deceptive mind dr steven novella gives a fascinating look at the neuroscience behind how our brains do a pretty good job in at times on awful job of processing the information and misinformation that zipping past us each and every day there's so much.