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NBA OPENING NIGHT

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34:34 min | 3 months ago

NBA OPENING NIGHT

"Certainly, we got nothing but respect for back in his representation in terms of what they're trying to get out of the deal they certainly. WanNa shorter deal. Historically we have is management wanted longer deals because it's more cap- friendly and we're able to spread some things out and keep some players which you know at the end of the day and back understand this. That's what we're trying to trying to do here. All right that was Stephen, Jones the first time we've heard from him on this summer regarding the Dak Prescott contract negotiations who world champion Ryan Clark here with us right good. Have you with us we'll get to you in just a moment, but I got to start with the Aficionados on all things Dallas. Thoughts on Stephen. Comments. Talk to me southern. Steve. Well you know I I mean southern Stephen Certain Stephen able to tell you that I'm not surprised at all by Stephen, Jones comments. Seemed Apropos at this particular moment in time, you got that Prescott locked up thirty one point four, million dollars for the upcoming season. Tomorrow is not guaranteed. You might not have to pay him the money that he's looking to get it because engine for Christ sakes or something like that. I will tell you the southern Steve would say Stephen Jones didn't say anything that was inappropriate in accurate or anything like that. Stephen however would tell you it's I'm disgusted with it because here's the deal what you've admitted publicly is that I'm trying to lock him in long-term at a deal that. He clearly believes is below his value and as a result we said up, it show improve yet. Again, FOUR YEAR STARTER HASN'T MISSED A game nor Scott took them to the playoffs tied twice to division titles actually a couple of playoff victories more than four years or just as much as four years that Tony Romo did it nine years and the thing about it because I love my man Jerry Jones and I respect the hell out of Steven Jones but the thing that really rubs me the wrong way is that I firmly believe same numbers same level of production same demane. If this Tony Romo deal with the got done for some reason when it comes to Dak Prescott, you can't do that. You'd have done that for Tony Romo okay. You did you took care Jalen Smith. You took care offensive line. You took care of Amari Cooper. You took care of Zeki Elliott, start no doubt. But the brother was chilling and Kabo Okay when you gave him fifty million guaranteed in about ninety five, million dollars in salary I'm just saying to watch it's one thing not to pay debt Prescott. It's one thing not to pay him what he thinks he's worth because you're. Openly challenging what he believes is worth is it's another thing for him to be the quarterback of America's team and you take a a multitude of assets are around him who would amount to nothing if he doesn't produce the you but in the same breath, you don't take care of him and then got the nerve to go out publicly and give an explanation as to why that is. It's a Mesa it really is. I would say that just to pick up your point Stephen about the difference between deck and Romo. First of all, it's interesting because they're slotted in their respective eras around the same spot. Romo, was something less than an elite quarterback, but he's very, very good and same thing with that. He's very good. He's not quite. Yet although Dak looks like he's trending that way Robo I think was if one of them was perceived as actually better than the other in their era I would say Romo Roller wasn't about what he was going to be what he was going to become about where he already seem to be. A role then or Dak. now given the NFL in both I would say Romo then not not all that long ago but I think he was in my mind at least I rated him a little bit higher than I rate Dak now and I think that can explain some of it. What's odd to me about what Steven Jones is saying and I get Jerry is like the big immagination guy forget about the details right and Steven? Jones. is much more like that. We got to pay attention to the details so if Steven Jones wasn't There you think they draft an offensive lineman or Johnny. Manziel you know. But so that Stephen Jones way is like you want to dot the i's and cross the t's and make sure you get the details right? The devils in the details put Jerry's come out and said his every one of his best deals he overpaid for always in the moment it seems like an overpaid but looking back at an actually that was that was the best deal I made like that was good for me to do that and he runs the Dallas cowboys. When. He's left to his own devices much more like that with a big imagination and it seems to me like Stevens. Job is in that dynamic at least to pull that back a little bit and dot the i's and cross the t's. So what I think is happening here is like, yeah, we want Dak Prescott and Steven. Jones wanted to get him for the Right, price and you know that wasn't budget and now they found out he wasn't budget and Jerry's probably sitting there going hold on we don't have that sign up we have to have our quarterback, and now they're going to have to get it done what it all amounts to is essentially a public admission by Stephen. Jones. That they tried to pay play Penny wise and. Pound Foolish, and now it's probably going to cost them a little extra. I think that's the big thing for me Max it's going to cost them extra money. Now because now, you're pushing leverage to deck Prescott side either he gets thirty seven million on a franchise next year, and then he's unrestricted free agent or you find a way to pay him the way you have to, and when you look at them talking about doing a longer term deal that means you gotta change the money if I want short. Term Deal. If I'm Dak Prescott or some of these younger quarterbacks coming up, that means you're GONNA have to make sure that the money makes sense for me to sign in longer because the cat will rise and we'll get more TV money. They're all these things that will play a factor into how my money stains or where I stand percentage wise at that time down the road and that's Dak. Prescott is saying, I, want to get money. Now and then, I, want to be young when I have an opportunity to Rio. But what this says about the Dallas cowboys to me is they're showing you how they feel about Dak Prescott because we Jalen got his deal when Ezekiel got his do Steven Jones was still there Stephen Jones was still making decisions. So I know Mac says Steven. Jones job is to pull jerry back a little bit. Where is he pulling Jerry Back Win Ezekiel Elliott was in Kabul there was no pullback them with Jaylen Smith was getting his deal before Dak. Prescott. No pool bag in the hundred million to Mario Cooper no pull. Beg Them. So this is not about Jerry Jones wanting to do something Stephen Jones, not wanting to do it or penny pinching or Steven Jones being that guy that controls it this way this is them saying deck we feel a certain way about you in that way. To pay you a certain amount. You eat we're not paying nothing over that. We're not changing our mind on. So Dak Prescott better understand. So it sure about heels other guys. Sure about deck. Ron Tell You Sarah Ryan right now Ryan I understand where you're coming from and I get to point. But I'm going to respectfully just modified those comments that just. Tell you this. They're not just showing them how they feel about them. They're telling them what they don't think about them and what they don't feel about your result this and excuse me Sir even in this day and age you shit, feel privileged to be the quarterback at a Dallas cowboys who hasn't won a super bowl in twenty five years has won about four three or four playoff games in that span has been a walking piece of immediate mediocrity with the worst fan base. In American history those seem Dallas cowboys you should be privileged and proud to represent. That's what they're saying about that Dak Prescott and that's what I think. He should he. And you know what? I would say southern Steve if I was with the Joneses family at the negotiating table. If not back then who who's this magical quarterback I will say this that's going to get them to where. The draft I will tell you this molly. I will say this with all the criticism I've had eight and Jerry Jones Direction do this contract situation with Dak Prescott, in the fact that he's been a wall with all, it is social justice stuff going on. I would say. I wouldn't mind being invited on that. Yeah. Would Monitor. Their. Boy More. Messed up of the leave a guys leave it. There are seeing appreciate you. We'll talk just say when we come back. By. Yourself a yacht. Policy from state farm gets you collision coverage and this radio ad from state farm gets you coverage of this beloved nineties hits. The call. A. From whatever age isn't state farm DOT COM. Only fifteen minutes night. Did you feel located? You want to go back out there was this just kind of kind of holding you back. They weren't. They weren't holding me back. Didn't want to be out there but. You know we're just working my way back in flow saunas outside as it's a plane. When you know your minutes are GonNa be as limited as they were and how long do you think it'll take for you. Get that that you're used. Honestly I don't know only take. I guess maybe a couple of games. Is straightened but it's not so frustrating 'cause you know like. I can. Easily. Could probably not even let me play but. able to play some. Cam. Mater? All right. That was I on Williamson there and it was great to see him back on the court. Perk here with us and made champion Kendrick. Perkins always great to have you. Max will start with you. Are You more disappointed in Zion or the PELICANS? Well Zion I didn't think played very well, I'm not going to say the Pelicans because the minute restriction because the hardest time to do the right thing, the discipline thing is when it's inconvenient and in a close game and it would be very good for this young team. It's not life or death. You know they have some time to get this thing going it's his rookie season, but it'd be great for them to get playoff experiences rookie year, and it's almost as though. The NBA came up with the playoff format rules where you know you have to be at least four games up where there's a plant in order to get fat Zion in the playoffs like who wouldn't want to see that. So I get there's a temptation to do it but in fact, if he's not really in the kind of game shape, you'd like them to be because of his injury history because the motor in him which in his frame we've never seen before right It's just absurd. That's why he has sneaker can explode in college because that kind of force that he's put the stopping and starting and and speed and quickness in that size like he's unique. So I understand the really trying to be careful with him. Now, what are you weigh against like? Well, you don't WanNa be too crazy about that. You GotTa know when you can. Violate that by a minute or two it's not gonNa really do much different do much of a difference right but was not playing particularly. Well, they reminded sixteen with him on the floor you that. Nice. Behind the back pass the he's certainly is a scoring machine like around the ask you can't stop him but he was turning the ball over he was he wasn't grabbing rebounds. Forget about bears rejecting them at the rim he could do that to everybody but or or rejecting the pain, but he would not say that vintage I on and while he might have brought a certain kind of energy to the end of the game, the game itself this game itself did not provide enough evidence that said boy like this will be the difference in this game and we should violate this rule we're trying to be disciplined with for the sake of Zion's future and our franchises future in order to get him those extra couple of minutes so. I can't say I was disappointed with the Pelicans and I have scenes I on play much better. Well for me. For me what I would tell you is this. The PELICANS are what I was most disappointed in I understand Zion left bubble on the stand that you know the necessary amount of training. Camp conditioning or what have you may not have taken place whatever but you're talking about safeguard and a guy that hasn't played basketball in the last several months from a physical perspective. I mean I understand you know the minutes, restrictions and things of that nature when he first returned. From from being injured when he played those first nineteen games for the Pelicans I understand you have to proceed with caution the deputy killed moment of time. But considering the footage that we saw him where he looked like Bain from I, think that's the characters name from the Dark Knight, the Dark Knight rises or whatever I mean brother looks just these or what have you looked phenomenal shape. I. Would have liked to have seen more than fifteen minutes I certainly would have liked to see him at some point in the last seven minutes plus. The game before it ended I definitely think that Zion is capable of going out the giving you something at that particular moment Tom, and I understand again it's about the future it's about the marathon that's not about the sprint please don't get me wrong I'm simply saying it's been about five months since they played basketball and all of time he's been working on his health and conditioning and what have you. So why would you feel the need to restrict them the fifteen minutes in a game last? Night. When last time I checked the reason why you were invited to the bubble is because you you on the outside looking in but within striking distance of forcing at least a play in game for eight the final playoff spot in the western conference or you trying to win an up and that's what I got from this. I just thought that the Pelicans should have played them and again if you're injured or whatever please don't get me wrong I, understand it but if you're in good health Just because you haven't been taking you know you're not in a proper conditioning or whatever. The case may be got eight games left got eight games left, and in all likelihood you might be going home because you might not even make the playoffs if you're invited to the bubble and he's putting himself a risk just like anybody else just by being there although break Popovich another other is the safest place in the country right now considering it they don't have any positive test. The bottom line is he's there and he's there to play. He's to try to win. He's to try to enter into the postseason. Hasn't played a five month I. Don't want to stand the restriction I. Stephen, A. Makes hit is I. Don't think we should over-react to this first game because Zairean didn't get a chance to go to training camp and he didn't get a chance to play to those scrimmages and as a player that means a life. It's a protocol that you have to follow for getting back into the game. Say the Pelicans didn't have practice. He wasn't able to scrimmage five on five. Now when it gets down the line to game to in game three and we started seeing men restricts is now there's a problem but I'm with to Stephen Listen He's twenty years old. Enough time to risks he should be ready to go when the when the Pelicans going to release this bear out of the cage he's box office he's their franchise he's ready to play. Let him go out there and play and makes your point I. don't care if he was a negative twenty four he's your franchise player. He's GonNa play. He belongs on the floor period there are better team with Xijiang Williamson on the floor I know Brandon Ingram is a stood jj rare was Paul Lonzo ball finally turned the corner. What you mean not last night. It was his last night by the fact is I. They had their their point differential negative sixteen when he was on the floor. So generally your rights on out last night. So so so what so way what he's a franchise guy, it happens so. You still got to have him on the floor pierpoint Blake. He is a force. He didn't get opportunity to go back on the floor because. No benefits to make that into a positive so they don't make a point to. Point Max as a franchise player, you deserve to be on the floor at all times I'm just trying to. Win is the right time to release them. You can't low manage him look I. would say that. He's healthy. You got. Anything like Zion. We've never seen just physically anything like Zion and I believe that the franchise is probably concerned that unless they really feel he's in game shape they want to be very careful understandably now, I think actually the best reason to play him in those moments is not what I'm hearing from you guys necessarily, which is a shot to make the playoffs still, and you're a better chance with him on the floor or whatever his plus minus was last night still you're a better team usually I on on the floor gives you your best chance to win I. Think there's another better argument for why you play 'em then and I saw this happen to job Chamberlain of Relief Pitcher who could also start Through one hundred miles an hour, the Yankees, the Yankees, not all that long ago in the last decade and they put him on a pitch count. They wanted to be very careful with him because he had this great arm in baseball you don't WanNA throw too many innings more than you did the year before as you're developing a pitcher, you're afraid to blow out his arm and the Yankees started messing with his pitch count and like not started when he was supposed to start and saw them in my view psychologically mess him up in a year where he was trending in the right direction and he may have had other problems because he was never turned out to be great but. But I thought maybe he had a chance to be better than he was, and that's the best reason to me to play your prospect, your prize kind of franchise guy when it matters most. To sometimes bend the rules a little bit about your own discipline about. Pitch Council minutes restrictions because you want to cultivate them the motion psychologically to but from the physical point of view I get it guys his motor his frame is different and if you want to be very careful with this guy's health I'm just saying my God demands. Offs. I mean I it's been out for domino's that's like going to the point man's with a mile waiting to go next and you know what you say. I'm only going to play a couple of plays. You know why you out there. Play. Out here guys. Don't forget. Yes sorry park, we gotta get into commercial break. Much more to talk about this. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. So. Here's my thing and this is not knock on jittery I love Alvin Gentry. But as a as a coach as a coach I understand that you have a minute restriction. But as I understand the game, if I'm a head coach I'm going on maximum. Hey Big Fella how you feel and if he tell me feeling good I'm GonNa put them right back where I beg. McCoy. That's that's I would do it. If I was the head coach enforce managing his minutes in is plans. Does me personally every minute created equal. The adjustment to conference only as about we've been playing college football in this country for one hundred, fifty consecutive years well over eighty five years of crowning champions in the SEC and we GONNA make sure we're able to do that and There are parts of it that we regret. But did drove our decision to to have a teams compete for a championship this year to the greatest extent. Possible. The SEC will play a ten game conference only football schedule. This season, the full schedule will be announced at a later date sec became the fourth hour conferences month to alter its schedule in order to provide more flexibility during the Pan Democrats on that. No, we bring in the mouth of the south. Where is the Paul. Finebaum. Paul Soga. You always put a smile on my face Paul talk to me here. This is actually not something we should be smiling about more pessimistic. nope. What are the Chances Paul? You see what's happening with MLB? There's no bubble situation that we're really going to have a college football season or at least finish it. Molly I thought yesterday was a very bad day for college football and I say that because the SEC was the the conference that everyone. If it's the big ten couldn't go with the PAC twelve. If the big twelve, the SEC would go and they would start on time and they would start. But by the commissioner saying they're not going to at least tentatively start to September twenty six was a body blow because that means you wipe three weeks out of the season the Non Conference Games that we look forward to all summer. And just the tone and tenor of Great Sankey Voice I I spoke with him last night and it was a sobering conversation. This has been a very upbeat optimistic individual who carries college football's biggest brand on his shoulders. So I think they'll try to start it the one thing he told me they were not comfortable starting on Labor Day weekend finally, some honesty from a person in a high position. So they delayed it three weeks and and finally they wanna see what happens and here's the dangerous part when students start converging back on campus and guess what mix with. College football players that's what they're scared of. Paul Finebaum, could you educate me about this because so many times we sit here and we point the finger of blame and we're clear with the point that thing in a lot of situations as it pertains to college football you've you've articulated the absence of leadership that insisted that has existed as it pertained to just a individual that overseas the sport itself when you speak to people like Mr Sankey and others who they point the finger at for the conditions being what they are when it comes to college football. Well Stephen A. for those who don't understand. I'll give a quick primer here. college football is not operated by the NCAA THE NCAA president. Everything. Else other than big time college football, they're in charge of the march madness charge of division one and two and all these other divisions. But in college football, the five commissioners they remind me going back to the Godfather. The each one has their own domain. I got staten. Island, you got the Queen's the five families of the mob and they are supposed to get along and meet, and because of those five plus Notre Dame, they have the College Football playoff. Football, but no one is in charge and what we've seen this week is really depressing. You saw a couple of weeks ago the big ten making announced. Wednesday. The ACC makes an announcement yesterday, the SEC and none of them are on the same page I talked to the big twelve commissioner yesterday Bob Bos me they're planning on starting on August twenty eight So you have five five conferences that are all planning on starting on different dates. In other words no one is in charge no one will ever be charged because no one wants to give up their own feifdom. It wasn't until this day that I realized it was a pandemic all along. Yeah. It does I hear Your Godfather reference. Paul. Let. Me Ask you this when when I, hear. Dana White when I speak today in a white or todd the buffet top rank or or when you listen to Adam silver. You're talking about leagues and operations that have successfully staged events. They've had to cancel things postponed things they have a bubble the whole thing when I hear the tone. Of College football people I hear as I mentioned on the show many times starry eyed optimism from what which does not inspire confidence from what you're hearing now, and you said that there seemed to imply there was a tone shift. Would you say that you're hearing? Realistic concern in terms of what they can do and what's going to happen. For example, if they were saying boy, we are really in for this I don't know if we can pull it off but then I think if we do X. Y. and Z. we have a shot or you here, we're going to have football season come hell or high water, and don't worry about it like what's their tone now and has there been a change. There has been a Paradigm Shift Maxim and yesterday was the starting point because Not to overstate the. But but the SEC's motto is it just means more and yesterday it seemed like it just meant less in terms of how many games they were going to play. They announced they were they were only playing ten games and by saying that there's there essentially saying we're concerned. We see we we do realize for the first time there is a pandemic and it's killing people and it's making our our student athletes sick. So we're going to be careful what's happened finally Max is the presidents of universities have gotten involved in these ad's who just keep giving US nonsensical comments we're playing. We're we'll have we have full stadiums. They have finally been silenced for the time being in the adults in the room are in charge. Now, what happens from here? I'm not certain the commissioner told me last night they're watching a number of things guess what including MLB, which is a scary thought they're looking at MLB and they're also paying very close attention to to the public health numbers which were terrible. And the NFL if MLB crashes and Burns and I know I know the betting line in Vegas isn't great on that today and the NFL succeeds it gives them a more more pause. Can we do it or can we not do it but but right now until someone gets gets in the way, you're going to see all these conferences going in separate directions and it looks like it could a disastrous result. Yeah, it's pretty scary stuff very sobering week in sports in the NBA Paul. It's always good to see you stay safe. We'll talk to you soon. Sir. Oh. Make. A We. Continue to make pro. Day allow make him proud. I'll live my life not only. On basketball floor but off the floor. All right an extraordinary moment we saw last night all the players kneeling unison, and we had a conversation earlier Jay Williams back here with us and Steven I brought up the point. It's nice to see the players Neil, but where were they back in two thousand sixteen initially when Colin Kaepernick did this and I know that kind of got you animated. So let's let's pick up right there. Why were you bothered by that notion? Molly I think certain players subbed obviously Lebron James it more than vote. He put a lot of things in action. Voices opinion. A lot of other NBA players voice their opinions, but I also want to put this whole thing into perspective at that given time when Colin Kaepernick I did that we were on air talking about I. Think a lot of people were talking about it making a stand with him while doing that I think people started to get extremely nervous. I know a lot of African American players started get nervous because they saw how it was politicized and they saw. How a lot of conservative owners frowned upon that and it thought it can limit their earning potential and I just know I think is very delicate of a situation I. Know It's easy for certain players who make a lot of money to do that because they're liars won't be impacted but ultimately players that need that money to support their family I can see how that could be conundrum. I'm not saying it makes it right but I do think it's understandable for those players that maybe didn't decide to kneel automatically with them because they were afraid of what the earning potential, how that could be in jeopardy. Well I didn't say it wasn't understandable J. What I'm saying is is that just like you can understand that point and I completely agree with you, there is another side to it. I didn't knowledge I didn't fail to acknowledge how they should be applauded and it should be appreciative and taking the stance that they take because I definitely appreciate it as I'm sure you do as black men but there is a flip side and when I bring up Colin capital, let me take in shifted just a touch. Know what on many many occasions myself and others have brought up of the port city of African Americans who were in executive positions, how the numbers have dwindled amongst coaching and how you have a league that's damn near seventy, five percent black that almost never speak up about this issue. Why is that? There's nothing wrong with that you can appreciate what they bring to the. Table You can understand where they're coming from but in the same breath too much given much is required, and since you have a bevy a place where so much is given them and they have to concern themselves with their quality of life. Why not take that position where I remember when Karma? Carmelo. Anthony P. Three Lebron James a debate they stood up at the. It took the position that they took it terms of addressing the level of violence. We applauded them Ad Nauseam, but we also pointed out how excuse me wasn't risk gay for them to take that position because everyone knew that was absolutely one hundred percent right and no one black white or otherwise could disagree with that. Now you transition the Colin. Capital it's not about nearly when he was dealing the point is if you felt the need to lock arms at that particular moment in time, you could have taken a knee. As, well, you elected not to you shouldn't be insulted for that or anything like that but if you wasn't willing to take a knee, then why would you be willing to take a nap and if the argument is that it's safer now then if it's safe for where's the sacrifice I'm saying people are going to ask those questions and I don't think those questions beyond the Pale when we could sit at a FAC that the in these positions, not just because of their great talent but because of the sacrifices made to. Facilitate them being a position to benefit from those sacrifices. That's all I'm saying, well, human nature human nature is human nature, and so you have to ask yourself why was it only capture nick and a select few who were willing to do it then and why now why is it the same thing to do now? Why are you safer in the majority now kneeling then then you are not nearly versus several years ago well, it's the same thing when I say, why do you think we'll chamberlain in sixty one sixty? Two average fifty points at twenty five boards, a game and the same year Elgin Baylor Average thirty seven and Oscar Robertson thirty points with a triple double for the season because the environment allowed that to happen in that day the way they play ball allowed for those numbers to happen. It's not because they were better than players who came after they were comparable. So why now it's not so much that for black people in my opinion, things have changed so much. It's that for white people, they have been the impediment to. The advancement of. Social Justice has not been black people. They did that's not the reason the injustice exists in the first place. The reason things can change. Now it's that the power structure and those who support it have changed because this pandemic has met things aren't normal. The economy suffered its worst quarter in modern American history. There is a global pandemic hundreds of thousands of now died things are not normal and before they get back to normal, a lot of people are saying, wait a minute normal should benefit everyone not just a select group of people I think that's W-. Underlying factors. Are What we've seen represented ultimately on the surface in the NBA protests. Go ahead Jay I'll. Chairman. Stephen A. Question for you are there any individual players that you felt didn't stand up for the opportunity to Stan in alignment with Colin Kaepernick because? Or? Not, at all blocking to everybody I'm not saying. No? No. I'm not saying that what I'm saying is that at the time that he stood there, League consists of sixteen hundred and ninety six players in the nfl you got four hundred and fifty plus players obviously nobody took a knee in the NBA because the rule was ruled against taking the knee during the national anthem indicate the NFL players even though there was no hard and fast rule, they strongly covered you to stand. You still had only a handful of players like eleven to fifteen out of sixteen, hundred and ninety six that join Kala cabinet, and in the end, it was only evergreen. Just sitting there saying. Now, that it appears to be okay with the quote unquote power. Structure Because of the Times that we're living in your taking that position, they are going to be though. A great. That are going to say we appreciate it, but it wasn't that much of a sacrifice right now because it's safe to do. So now they're going to be people who say that. All I WANNA say real quick is I think initially when Colin Kaepernick Kapernick did this I don't think it was discuss amongst all the players and I thought it was an issue because a lot of politicized and that's when completion happen organization started. Different than what originally Super Yes. I understand I understand that I understand Celtics Bucks six thirty eastern on ESPN six o'clock NBA. Count. William Stephen a Max fabulous weekend. We'll see you all on Monday. Take care.

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We are nine days away from the Kansas City chiefs hosting the Houston Texans and the season's kickoff game I believe based on twitter clues that the Kansas City chiefs are actually scheduled to receive their super superbowl. Fifty Four Championship rings today I could be wrong I'll head on over to Arrowhead Pride Dot, com and check that out. I have a feeling. It's going to be a beautiful ring whenever it is ultimately released for the world to see in for the chiefs players to have for Blake Bell to have one of the newest member of the Dallas Cowboys, the Dallas Cowboys of course, not quite single digits away just yet but they will visit the Los Angeles Rams next. Sunday next Sunday, how does that sound? We'll get to all in a minute I. Do want to start by giving a huge I mean I'm talking Galactic sized shadow just incredible props. So proud of BDB's zone Kelsey Charles. 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We are available on all major podcast platforms, album devices, spotify, whenever, wherever by the way on the subject of that there it looks like we will not have a new episode, the seven five later on today momentary thing that will be back next week as well. But huge shadow to Kelsey Charles. So proud of her and all the work that she's doing the start and I going to be awesome to watch this season and lots of stuff happening with regards the Dallas Cowboys and. We really know a lot about it. I mean the scrimmage. Scrimmage that wasn't whatever you WANNA call it on Sunday was a huge talking point on. Monday found out that tell Bryant did not tear his ACL which was a very good thing and if exchange slater reported that we found out at the very least at the time of this recording that exhibit your woods is injury or alleged injury is not a big deal. Steven Jones appeared on the fan on Monday and we'll get into that right now. But he noted that they were still waiting on the results of Xavier. Woods is test to see what exactly happened and I'm recording this just before five pm central time on Monday for four clarity. And nothing has really emerged as of the moment regarding Xavier Woods. However, there was a brigade of sorts shadow to the season a big brother and Enzo by the way brigade kind of mounting for Logan Ryan, lots of cowboys fans. You know sort of pushing that idea that the cowboys could certainly do with the services of Logan Ryan and the secondary obviously there's been talk Logan Ryan's agent really pushed the idea that he's a safety now, etc. The New York giants landed Logan Ryan and so you can. You can take that name off your wishlist. If you were somebody who was pining for Logan Ryan, the cowboys of course could still add earl Thomas who is at the time of this recording is again mentioned available. So I don't know but. To get into what Stephen Jones said. On Monday I wonder if I through the fan in talking about. Your Woods. was asked if the cowboys kind of latch would they have? In the secondary etc and he mentioned three names and none of these are shocking but he did mention them they were reiterated in that sense. Because we all know it safety the cowboys have. and. Then kind of cross your fingers hoglund exterior and Thompson whatever you WANNA call it. Stephen Jones talked about the cowboys having some cornerbacks that they could move over to safety if they needed to in a pinch obviously positioned flex are. Two words that are very well known. To be liked to put it simply by the Dallas Cowboys and Steven Jones mentioned Darrow Wurley newcomer to the cowboys and. I want to talk about a second but he did. Just, reemphasize at the cowboys have moved. Reggie in the second their fourth round. Pick from Tulsa. To safety so I don't know what that means for reg Robinson's future is going to be a safety forever as you wanted to be safety for two thousand, twenty s he ever GonNa move back to cornerback it's hard to know but the fact that the cowboys are still keeping this idea out there. Seems to imply intimate. that. They at the various liked the idea of you know cheeto playing safety and she said before when he's married with the local media that I'm a corner according to the corner he's talked about it being a contractor. It would be kind of unfair in some ways to make cheeto play a different position contractor. Let alone one that's happening in the middle of a global pandemic. But the fact that the cowboys is at least have that in the back of their minds, means that idea is in the back of their minds So to speak other things that Steve Jones touched on that I thought were important. He was asked Obviously, we know the cowboys top receivers remark Cooper Michael Galvin cd-rom Bam? Bam Bam. Who's next riot where we can guess we can sort of figure it out on the how Bryant injury even though he didn't tear a C. L. is a factor in that conversation we talked about that on Sunday night on Monday morning depending on you listen. But Steven, Jones was asked if anyone separate themselves after the top three, he said I think there's a group there of you know now browns really denigrate job. He's shown up I don't know how much I've been in practice talking to the Kinsey masterpiece one, affect the fan he's showed. Up Big Time said, Wilson showed up those guys probably at the end of the day have really separated themselves as the next Tier Cedrick Wilson. Our we've talked about we've written about lots of writers, bloggers, Dot Com, cedrick Wilson kind of cemented himself as wide receiver four for the cowboys and Noah, Brown I think if you do break it up into tears I mean you could tear Amari. Michael Gallup in CD maybe individually if you really wanted to. But there clearly on their own right and then I think it's Cedrick Wilson on this other. And then a gap that isn't quite as large as the first, the second tier, and that's where Noah Brown and then maybe it's Devon Smith Inventory Bryant but. It remains to be seen Stephen Jones did say it was kind of still a question mark wide receiver six is going to be for the cowboys and. We expect this to to be moving in passing alive or at least passing more passing more efficiently, I should say. So we'll they have six hundred series that remains to be seen I. Think we all think there's only two running backs maybe they're going to be able to sneak bend the new the new sean onto the practice squad. So some of those things factor into whether they'll carry five or six receivers. But at the very least, it seems like those are their top five. Now on the subject of receivers, many people have floated out the idea of city lamb returning punts. This is always something that is a conversation whenever you have a prominent rookie wide receiver namely first round. Wide Receiver because they are typically explosive players when the footballs in their hands Yada Yada Yada Cliche cliche. Steven. Jones was also asked about this on one of the fan. Again, if you go to the fans website or their social channels, you can listen to all of these interviews back. If you life to I, believe they are also available on the cowboys. Social Properties on their youtube channel things like that. You can hear these interviews that happened on the home of the cowboys but anyway, Steven Jones was asked about the prospects of cd-rom as a punt returner, and here's what he had to say I think it's a great opportunity for him to touch the ball. We've had some great players return punts for the cowboys starting with. Dion Sanders big time coming here. Anyway those guys are really good at their trade I don't think it's as dangerous as a place kick off in terms of their returner. I think those guys see especially the great ones I've Dion and certainly see you can be a see all the traffic coming at them. They know when differ catch and wanted to get out of bounds and you know when to go for it, there's been a lot of receives in this. League get. Back there and feel punts and do a great job doing it I. Don't have a huge issue. There may be times where it's safe and we put said, Wilson back there something like that I. Think you've got to this day in time in this league. If you've got dynamic players, you've got to give them opportunities to make plays in the open field and it's true. I mean that is literally an objectively true. It's not like CD lamb. Every time you want to put the ball his hands is in the open field like he theoretically on a punt return and. If you've been watching the cabbage for some time. You remember Dez. Bryant the rookie returning punts and obviously as I touched on etc.. I'm a fan of this idea i. think it's I. Think this is probably how you or the average cowboy's fan feels well, I only want to do it in in special times and not all the time, right? Like if it's not a great situation, I don't want to do it and that's fine that's like saying I only want CD Lambda Return punts when he's going to return them for touchdowns and we all agree with that is just so circumstantial circumstantial even beyond that it's circumstantial in. What's the game situation? How Times left? Where's he fielding the punt? What's the score? WHAT'S A quarter? What's the? WHAT'S THE RECORD IS DIVISION GAME Are The lights brighter is it outdoors? Is it raining I mean there are million factors that go into this and so I think it's smart to keep that door open but we certainly don't know I. Don't think you can say beyond a shadow of doubt in all of these circumstances city gets feel all of these circumstances city doesn't get to feel the and that's why you have to have another return ready somebody like Steven Jones said a Cedrick Wilson so that you can count on them. No matter what that obviously by the way adds to Cedric Wilson's value as a wide receiver team. The final thing I want to get into I mentioned that the game against the Los Angeles Rams is next Sunday. That's right. You can say it that way it is next Sunday. Very very, very cool stuff it came out on Monday the Los Angeles Rams head coach. Sean mcvay said that Wide Cooper Cup does not have an ankle injury but does have the soreness. This is a report from Omar. Obviously overran if DOT COM now. It is very early. At this point, we are twelve days away from this opener in La, but it is worth acknowledging that one of the rams most potent offensive weapons by the way making his return. Is, dealing with this and we never root for injuries or we're just talking about just letting you know what Cooper dealing with Ian Rapoport did add that Cooper Cup has a muscle strain on the side of the lower part of his leg right above the foot of the he should be fine for the opener I mean, we hope he's fine for the opener. You've never want to see any injury of any kind. So hopefully, cooper to go, but you have now been warned especially if you do have your fantasy draft coming up sooner rather than later. But yeah. That about does it yeah. It's getting getting to be that time. Yeah. It's getting exciting. Lots of lots of exciting things coming down the pipe coming around the bend, and so we're pumped to talk about Dallas Cowboys football all season long here on the block the boys podcast network makes you do subscribe you miss of our wonderful episodes again, it looks like we're not going to have a seven five. Oh, later on today but that will be a momentary thing we'll be. 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The Ocho: Ezekiel Elliott officially a non-report for training camp

Blogging the Boys

16:31 min | 1 year ago

The Ocho: Ezekiel Elliott officially a non-report for training camp

"What a world welcome to another episode of the Ocho presented you in partnership as always with espy nations blogging the boys dot com my name arduous show you know me of course from B._T.? Be and from right here as you're humble host on the OCHO happy Friday it is Friday July twenty six two thousand and nineteen and there's a lot to discuss all man. There's a lot to talk about. I'm exhausted honestly. It's been quite the Friday recording this kind of. I don't know what qualifies mid afternoon afternoon or late afternoon like. I know people say that like I'm taking a mid afternoon nap. It's about three thirty one recording this just really kinda behind the curtain. So Cowboy State of the Union address was on Friday and we learned a lot what we we have a big thing big sort of elephant in the room subjects and have a lot to get to some housekeeping. If you want to call it that this is the last day before I leave for Oxnard California on on Saturday find out what the E._S._p._N.. San Antonio crew. We're going to be there for a week in the Miller lite beach house. It's going to be awesome and really hoping you come along for the journey there follow me on twitter at our Joe. I'm also on the INSTAGRAM. Seeing a lot of you. Follow me over. Were there appreciate it same name Arjo one word R._J.. H._O._a. on the Graham and the twitter sphere if you want to kind of come along with us as we make our way westward for cowboys training camp we should be there for a lot of fun obviously the and a lot of hysteria but it's going to be Jason Nixon Rob Thompson from the bullets which you can hear every day on E._S._p._N.. San Antonio from four to seven P._M.. Central Time and myself and James Pleasure who was the producer for the blitz but my co host on Saturday mornings for the appropriately named Saturday morning hangover you can listen to us fifty A._M.. Ninety four or five F._M.. Locally at E._S._P._N.. Essay Dot Com if you're somewhere else and you want to hear US remember four to seven P._M.. Central Time we will have a Saturday morning hangover on the twenty seven th which is a day we leave and that the data coming back the day there were coming back. I've already forgotten. I think it's August third. We're doing it from the E._S._p._N.. Los Angeles studio so that will be a lot of fun. We'll talk that up as well and you'll hear all of their voices throughout the week here on the blog on the boys podcast feed we're going to share. Awesome stuff. It's going to be great. You'll probably hear me and pledge interviewing somebody from time to time but don't freak out if you if you here welcome back to E._S._p._N.. Santana things like that just I didn't want you to freak out. I look out for you you look for me. That's how we roll and we'll bring you obviously everything we can. In terms of various cowboys that we get a chance to interview we'll do facebook lives so go like E._s._p._N.. San Antonio on facebook we'll see if periscope is an option but there will be tons of podcasts. I'm actually subscribe to the podcast feed and and make sure you give us a rating register if you if you get a chance I promised we would kind of go into the routine that we experience out in Oxnard but before we do we obviously have to talk about the big deal on Friday. Ezekiel Elliott did not show up to the cowboys conditioning tests in Oxnard and that was at twelve P._M.. Central Time Ten A._M.. Pacific time which is where the cowboys are they run. You know running drill things like that. He was not there and if our exchange slater reported and that kind of already got people buzzing because Zeke obviously was not on the team plane but everybody figured he could get there on his own. It's not a big deal etc and so all day Friday was kind of this waiting game. What's going to happen what or Jerry Jones and Steven Jones and Jason Garrett going to say during the State of the Union address and I want WanNa be clear because maybe there's a chance you're a new cowboys fan and you don't know what that is every year during their first press conference and Oxnard California which is where they've trained the last year's obviously wherever they hold training camp that is the state of the Union address? That's the first Israel press conference of the season for the cowboys and typically we learn a lot typically we get lots of nuggets and thoughts that the cowboys are having with regard to various players. It was there for example that we learned that Damian Wilson had been shot in the eye with a paintball things things like that but this year it was basically all about Ezekiel Elliott he was not there. Jerry Jones was asked right away. If Zeke was considered a hold out if he was considered late what what's going on because the term lay in the term I'm not at Camp can be sort of loosely defined by N._F._l.. Teams but Jerry Jones was clear. He said yeah he's late. He's not here. He's officially a non report and it's a big deal. I mean it's a big deals at the end of the world now but it's a big deal. It's obvious that Zeke Doc. Is You know wanting the new contract and doing what he can to get that message across but all throughout the press conference my takeaway was that the cowboys are kind of cool with this and I don't mean that they're down to their pumped but if you get a chance go watch douse copies dot com habit their social properties as well the the impression I got was that the cowboys understand the business side of this and they're obviously expecting to understand the business because that's that's what this is. The cowboys have contract extensions to get. Get to with regards to Zeke to Dak Prescott Mark Cooper to Byron Jones and they obviously know how difficult that's going to be and so it didn't seem at all like Steven Jones or Jerry Jones or Jason Garrett were spooked or shook or even remotely nervous nervous about the about the fact that excuse me Zeke hasn't shown up it just kind of felt like they were like yeah. I mean this is the way it is. He wants a new contract. We're trying to agree to something and you know. This is the next step and they were all pretty patient. They were all pretty calm and I think that's a good thing I mean. Stephen Jones spoke a lot. We've gotten to see that a lot over the last few years. He's clearly kind of running. The ship for the cowboys now as far as the front office management is concerned and it seems like Steven Jones has his idea as far as what Zeke Elliot and Index Prescott Amari Cooper Byron Jones for that matter need to be paid and it's a matter negotiating. It's a matter of talking it's a matter of back and forth and I thought one of the things that Steven said it was very interesting. He was asked if the fact that this is a running back has any sort of merits merits in the conversation and he said absolutely I mean you look at it. There's no question that the running back position has been devalued that it's not valued from a fiscal standpoint the way it used to be. We're seeing running backs. Get paid less and less or I should say not get paid more and more four in Todd Gurley of the Los Angeles Rams kind of set them back. I mean if we're being honest here. Todd Gurley is big time contract with the rams really set the position back because now the cowboys in this example are looking dude. Look what look could happen at Todd Gurley I mean do we don't want that to be us and unfortunately Zeke is looking at the cow percent yeah man look what happened to Todd Gurley. I don't want to be him and not have mine so I WANNA get paid now <hes> but unfortunately the cowboys are the ones that kind of control this. They're the ones they're the team so whatever's going to happen. It's going to happen as far as they want it to happen and so this is just a matter of waiting really and I know that's frustrating agitating. I know everybody wants harmony and peace and etc but it appears that Zeke Elliott's not going to be in Oxnard for cowboys training camp at least for the near future. I'M GONNA be out there for a week with E._S._p._N.. San Antonio like I mentioned we will fly back on August third. which by the way is a really busy sports day? That's the pro football hall of fame enshrinement ceremony and the women's National Team Kicks Off Their Victory Tour and incidentally in California the Rose Bowl so pretty cool and actually the Rose Bowl site of the last game that Emmett Smith played before his own holdout obviously after twenty seven thousand nine hundred season but this is just this is the way it's going to be and so we'll see if Zeke Elliott shows up August. August six that's something that a lot of people are sort of monitoring now if he wants to gain an accrued season maybe he does and maybe zeke wants to take this threat and I've said before that's a really aggressive word. Maybe he wants to take this threat. As far as it makes sense and august August six kind of seems to be the day that it makes sense to do it with but ultimately you know. I hate to be just like Mr Spin things positively and I know we talked about this on Thursday. This is probably good. I mean I don't mean I'm good. Let me be clear. There is good to be found in this situation because Zeke Elliot. I don't know if you know this takes up a lot of carries. He takes up a lot of snaps and so now you get a chance to really have some fun and play with Tony Pollard throughout training camp. You get a chance to really have some fun and play with various Jackson. He's worth bringing back. You get a chance to really have some fun and play around with Mike Weber I mean you know those are positive those are legitimately positive data points to glean from from this Ezekiel Elliot situation and so you know is this a desirable place for the couch to be in no but ultimately it is a good problem to have to pay so many guys because I'm injured drafting really well so we'll see what happens with Zeke but for now the whole doubt and I and that still feels like the wrong word us but hold out for lack of a better word is officially on Jerry Jones and Steven Jones and Jason Garrett also kind of touched on Dak Prescott Amari Cooper pending contracts basically saying yeah. We want to pay them but you know it's just a matter of negotiating. I thought it was interesting that Steven Jones said that Michael Thomas hold out in New Orleans doesn't impact the cowboys <hes> he did say to his credit. You'd have to ask them are if it impacts him to any degree but and again the cowboys were relatively common relatively chill throughout their state of the Union press conference really important point though I thought throughout the Presser was Jerry Jones was asked in on the subject of contracts about Jason Garrett's he said what do you got to see the season. When I was asked excuse me what do you got to see the season to bring it back in two thousand twenty in Jerry Jones kind of played around and said he couldn't hear the question and then played around again said he couldn't hear the question and chose chose not to answer so good for Iran could for Jerry Jones at that's a question that he's going to have to dodge all season? We saw how I've been down. That subject was a year ago after the Jaguars win that was talking he was going to extend him and then obviously he didn't and so we'll see what happens. Jerry Jones has touched on that subject through the State of the Union address before however clearly the choosing that to do so this year so again a fun state of the Union a little bit of a different one in terms of recent years but the best thing. About the state of the Union address for the cowboys is it means it is officially football season and so like I said I can't wait to get out to oxnard myself and if you're curious if you're not curious you already listened appreciate it. You can turn out the podcast here but if you are curious kind of how works our or what I experienced at least because I have been asset a few times here's the deal we will fly out tomorrow tomorrow for me. Maybe you're listening to this on Saturday morning and by the way I should mention we're going to plug in the podcast feed a segment from this added good morning hangover so if you see this in your podcast feed on Saturday you'll hear James Pleasure myself talking about the cowboys which is what we want to do but we'll fly out on Saturday tomorrow. We have a layover in Phoenix so maybe grabs chick-fil-a author who knows and we'll get to l._A._X.. And then it's a drive it's a draft from Los Angeles to Oxnard and typically. We've gotten there in the morning so it's the first year I'm going that. We're kind of arriving in the evening so we'll get there will probably go have dinner and we'll check back in our house. It's kind of an AIRBNB situation same house. We stayed in last year so same room for me. It's really nice no air conditioning because it is California so they do have a nice little box fan but <hes> but yeah and then so the standard protocol for every day the as far as practices concern. I know a lot of you that are listening have been oxnard yourself so you kind of get it but if you've never been in it's not obvious to you. The cowboys literally trained at a Marriott. It's like a courtyard Marriott and so you weave your way in when you arrive Avenue Park and you walk past all these buildings and they set up a small very very miniature version of super bowl radio row on the tennis courts there at the Marriott and you can kind of see that in the photos and stuff that's where Jason Gates Press S.. Confidence and stuff are so they said that up until we get set up and the morning walk through happens a little bit after we get there so you go out and that's a really strict practice. There's no attendance. There's no photos allow. There's no nothing it's just a walkthrough and afterwards sometimes the players will do some interviews so we'll try to grab those try to grab whoever we can and the way you grab it interviews you just walk up to a player and you say hey you got five minutes for me or two minutes or whatever and sometimes they say no sometimes they say yes so you kind of cross your fingers and hope that you can get who you can get and so after that Jason Garrett gives his daily press conference and he's asked him questions he talks about who won't practice or who will practice or who will be having a light practice later. You're on the afternoon that happens and at that point the sun is really kind of starting to make its way up to the top and while it is California the son is still a little bit unrelenting so you gotTa make sure to have proper care some sunscreen a hat. Hat Nice little sleeves if you need them. I'm not really asleep guy in the some of that's just me anyway and so then it's kind of lunchtime and you kind of figure some stuff out. We put our show together. You know figure out what's going to happen in years past. That's when the lucky whitehead thing happened happened and so it makes for an interesting couple of hours and then at about four o'clock local time is when people start to arrive and people start to show up and people start to gather for the practice itself and so my routine is all head out there maybe like thirty minutes before practice begins and I'll go take some photos and shoots and videos of the players arriving became which is really cool. They're walking out and sometimes they'll do choreographed. Entrances like Joe loonies really into that Dan skipper did a really great one a couple years ago and they come out and then it's practice time and they'll warm up. They'll divide into groups. I mean you've seen training camp practices before. Sometimes we'll get some eleven on eleven action. It'll be great and then that practice you can take photos and videos and everything you want and there are two practice fields so it really is kind of picking and choosing what you want to be got to set yourself up. You got to be smart about it. You've got to be strategic so it's always a fun process for me. I really enjoy it and then you know practice last about two hours and then after that is this is media time again same sort of process. The walkthrough guys are walking off the field. You walk up say hey man. You got five minutes for me. <hes> you know can you give me an interview. Whatever take your interview record it? Whatever the case may be and then <hes> in my case posted here on the podcast feed and in your trunk and that's the end of the day and the interesting thing is we're kind of done at about five thirty local time six o'clock? Maybe which is interesting because the blades like I mentioned ends at seven o'clock central time so it's a little bit earlier than we're used to so we'll head out. We'll grab dinner. Get back to the house. Put together plans for the next day so on and so forth something we we've. We've sort of started over the last at least as long as I've been going. Is We have a San Antonio night. Lots of the San Antonio media comes over to the House one night. We'll grow some steaks have some fun toxin awesome to winnow and and have a good time so hopefully that gives you a little bit of a sneak peek in terms of what I'm experiencing my time at oxnard going to have everything we can in the podcast via going to get lots of content on the site blog on the boys dot com so make sure are you don't miss a thing actually have a fantastic weekend and next time I talk to you well. You'll hear like I said the Saturday morning hangover segment but next time I talked to you as far whatever you get the point next time we talk. I'll be in Oxnard California have a go on my friends friends and we will assuming Yana friends as always go cowboys N._P._S. out.

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Brews & The 'Boys: Getting into the newest members of the Cowboys

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29:11 min | 1 year ago

Brews & The 'Boys: Getting into the newest members of the Cowboys

"Hey listeners we're in the heat of one of the greatest sports events of the year. You guessed it March madness. And the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage CBS sports HQ, what is CVS forte JR. It is the free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans. Just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. CBS sports HQ got you covered checkout. CBS sports HQ. It is always on always free not to pay a subscription fee or have an expensive cable package. Download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV start watching today. Welcome to another edition of the Bruce in the boys podcast produced by Schwab. Media. Brought to you by way of blogging, the boys Espy nation, and the vox media podcast network. Folks, you know, me my name is Michael Sizemore been following and writing about the Cowboys for many years on blogging, the boys dot com, you may follow me on Twitter atmosphere. Sizemore fall, the podcast that Bruce in the boys. And at blogging the boys with me as always he's the man of the hour. He's too sweet to be sour, folks. My colleague at blogging the boys the Walter Matthau to my Jack Lemmon, the aren't Anderson saving my shit, talk and RIC flair's everyday follow him on Twitter. Mr. Tom rile, gay, and you can follow him on Twitter at Tom Robbie TB. So every time we decided to record, Tom. It seems like Steven Jones is the thorn in our side. He decides to start making deals with people last time we were here, we were talk. About the safety sin stuff that the Cowboys were visiting and Steven Jones goes and signs Georgia local on the Saturday. But right after we got off this when they announced that he was coming in for that. Visit. Yeah. It was it was. Yeah. It was so funny. Because the I literally was giving ready to shut down the laptop from recording with you. And they're the Twitter comes up. They had the deal done with a look at. I'm like, well, you could. Yeah. Yeah. And then you're like should we get back on? And I was like, no, I'm hungry. I'm in I'm tired of this. But anyway, Stephen Jones. Okay. But then anyway, they went and also pulled off a trade on Friday. Was it Friday? I believe or Thursday. They pull off a trade show. Robert quinn. It was Thursday. Yeah. This stuff is rolling along so fast. It feels like so much longer go than it actually was. Yeah. You look at what the Cowboys have done though, Tom. And I you know, I chastised them in. I got to apologize because they really got to work over the last eight weeks. You have to be ready for it. And it's I met I've gotten a lot calmer about it. The first week of free agency. I just kind of drift along looking at the little birds singing than the trees and ory about it. Because there's gonna be, you know, big huge multi year deals announced for a lot of people that in a year to most of them are not gonna look so good and accountable is just wait. And then they get all that I wave out that relate started talking to safeties. That's when they started researching stuff. That's when this whole thing with Quinn came up, which is just like. Yeah. That's a phenomenal move. That's the best move. They made. That's the move you. And I've been waiting for is best. Yes. A best movable while in free agency. I think and it because it was one of those little perfect storm things coming because you have a Miami Dolphins team that was in the tank just quite tank mode. They wanna tank. Yeah. They they want to use that money that was on a going out for Quin twenty eleven point eight million. And they wanted to get to not have all that tied up. So they wanted to move him. They wanted to get a draft pick. And if someone was talking about in essence because they kind of you know, had some money sunk already that they'd paid out as a paraded bonus. They essentially use that to get them another, you know, light draft pick for next year. So it's like they caught Miami. Would they were ready to move on? And they caught Quinn coming off the year. Whereas production was down because he was in the wrong steep. Yes. Which that's happening him twice. Yeah. And so he wanted to to come out and he wanted a one year deal because he knew that he could get as much now as he would like to get. But if he comes to Dallas shows out has a good year, then he's got a shot at one more. Good pay. Yes. Yes. It was. And that is a very smart d I just think of is very smart. On their part the way that they handled that they weren't the stars aligned. Everything was exactly what they wanted. They get a very productive pass rusher. Who will be a great off a bookie end if they can get everything worked out with DeMarcus Lawrence, which I think they will in which I think you wanna talk about later. But here's the thing. Tom that I wanted to touch on Robert Quinn. It's not that. He's another defensive end. He is the prototypical right defensive end the skip rusher. The guy that you rod Marinelli prefers the three four Outside Linebackers as his right end. That's what he likes is that type of player but plug plug them in on the right side that has speed to counter all of the consistent abilities in the run game and pass rush that DeMarcus Lawrence has now you've got a guy screaming off the edge. And that's what he wanted. And you and I don't think the Cowboys were intimidated by not getting Robert Quinn for longer than a year. That's what good teams want. They wanna make you prove it with them. And this is kind of four so people have been saying this is what Belichick has been doing all along. He gets rentals flips of for compensatory picks the next year and moves on he's you know, he is doing his own kind of Barney shopping, so innocence, maybe the Cowboys are catching up and also this one year deal was part of an overall thing that I was talking about before we got online. They Cowboys can side whoever the heck they want next year. Yes, they have got. I was looking at because I've got an article that literally is proof reading as soon as we get done with this to submit in twenty twenty the Dallas Cowboys have projected at this point the most. Cap space in the National Football League. Dow hang onto your hats folks out there. They are projected if the cap is at two hundred million which is going to be somewhere in that vicinity. The Cowboys will have a hundred in sixteen million dollars in free cap space. Yeah. That's that's a lot of Skrela as they say on the street, and you can you know, you can get, you know, the second year of DeMarcus Lawrence deal, whatever you need for a debt Prescott deal. Whatever you need for an Amari Cooper deal. Whatever you need for Byron Jones deal. Whatever you need for Zeke Elliott deal with the little bit of proper structuring and making twenty twenty the first appearance of those you can do them all still have cap space dot be worried about what you're kicking down the road and just go barely on into the post CBA will there the goading negotiating a new deal? Just waiting. To see what is going to be like then. But there is nothing holding the Cowboys back right now and all these one year deals that they just signed are important. Yes. And I'm glad you brought that up because I'm writing an article on blogging the boys about in spirit of the March madness. Which you and I are too busy to catch a game. So, but I looked at the final four teams to make it in the playoffs each year in the NFL and what they were spending in free agency. And you look at it starting in two thousand fourteen the patriots are in every single one guy. So don't be surprised there. But you look at what they're spending the total spending could be up there. You could see like the patriots in two thousand fourteen spent sixty eight million dollars the colts spit one hundred four million dollars. But when you look at the total guaranteed, they are all under that you want to stay under that fifty percent and everyone look at the patriots thirty seven percent the Seahawks. Packers twenty. Twenty-five percent. The colts forty-two percent. Now. You look at what the Cowboys did this year they signed eight players and thirty eight thirty eight million dollars is what they spent but only forty one percent Tom in guarantees. So you're literally and the average Tom of link of years, guess what it is one year deals. Oh, yeah. And I was gonna say did that include all of their own that they resigned bring BRAC. Yeah. Because yeah there. Yes. So you're spending you're spending money, but you're not guaranteeing a lot of you're spending. Your it looks like you're spending money is what I should say you're in. But you're really not spending terrible amount of money, your your spending it judiciously exactly exactly like the cheats last year, or the only exception. They spent fifty five percent of their cap, but they needed to build their roster because they were getting a little long in the tooth on defense and stuff. And then the patriots 2017 they spent fifty three percent. On in guaranteed money. But that's because they also had a lot of moves to make so you, but you look at that. And you say man, the Cowboys you look at their last spending since two thousand fourteen Tom twenty fourteen they spent six percent and guarantees, but they but it says they spent forty million dollars. Okay. Twenty eight million and twenty two thousand fifteen only eight percent Fifty-two million in twenty sixteen. Thirty seven percent. Thirty seven percent. The next year twenty nine thousand nine they've spent thirty eight million dollars forty two percent. And the average length of the deal is one point four years. You're staying in that below two year average in that's the way to do it because you don't want to give long-term money to guys that you don't know are going to pan out. And you look at what the Cowboys did Tom sign. Cameron Fleming that was huge getting Christian Covington low key signing tape on Austin Randall Cobb those two putting them in the offense. We've already spoken about Kerry Haider's a guy you really like. Georgia loca, they went with a guy that can play games instead of sit on the sidelines being injured and then Robert Quinn. I mean, they done some pretty masterful things. Yeah. And you can't say anything really bad about it. I mean, how that's why I'm saying I put my foot back in my mouth. I was wrong Stephen Jones, if you read my column on so sorry, I should've never said that you didn't know what you were doing. Yeah. It is. They they really got it to all come together as it has has set the table up. Not just do they have the whole plug. But I don't think they've ever been in a situation like this where there's no particular position. You've got look at at pick fifty eight or if they wind up somewhere else he you just looking for what player can help this Ross for more than anybody else. Yeah. You wanna get short term rentals? You wanna make them? You wanna make them have great seasons? Hey, if they have a good year, and they get paid somewhere else. Who cares because you are going to get a cop pick out of that. They're probably going to get a nice pick out a Robert Quinn, if he has a decent year, and they always got the option of giddy the market themselves, although they tend not to do that once again because the price is going to be drone or they don't wanna pay. But you know, they just have all the action. Yes. Yes. And so what it reminds me of Tom right now. It's like what I'm thinking about is that how you know everyone has talked about this team needs to load up around the young quarterback load up around the young talent. And they were had mentioned yesterday. Like, it was some huge deal that the Cowboys haven't reached any negotiations or even reached out feelers to a more Cooper's camp or Dak Prescott. Can't they're letting some of this stuff play out guys. Even though people tell you there are deadlines here. There are no deadlines right now. Yeah. And that's the other thing is that. You know? Prescott camp in Cooper's camp know that they're trying to sort out the DeMarcus Lawrence deal and once they get his deal done that boob. You know, they're going to open up another ten million or so and cap space, and that what the they can then turn around and start looking at the extensions on Prescott Cooper is one of those rolling deals. They just keep you know, signing rolling. So that the cap hit for right now is is lowered or kept in a minimum. Embattled let's just keep on signing stuff. I mean, it's conceivable with with both Prescott in or that when they get deals done the cap hit is going to be the same. Roughly as what it is right now with all the increased costs pushed into the future. Yes. And you know, I really like everyone says that cap hell is a myth. It's kinda half. True. I mean, you can get yourself into some cap situations. If you pay a lot of guys these long-term guarantees that are going to be, you know, get you in some trouble later on down the road. But the Cowboys are trying to avoid stuff like that. They're trying to pay a lot of the guarantees up front. Get the best part of these guys contracts right now, which is going to lead us to talk about DeMarcus Lawrence. But before we do I want to take a quick break. We'll be right back on the rooms. And the boys podcast. We are back. So before we went to break, we're going to talk about DeMarcus Lawrence. I I just mentioned that the Cowboys got Robert Quinn for a twenty twenty six round pick. No conditional picks. No any like that. They just gave them nothing got him for peanuts and bag of potato chips. You know, like, yeah. And he is a good player. This is a guy that is a former all pro this is the guy that's a former pro bowler. I know it's been a while. But he had a scheme change in with the Rams that sent him packing. And then he has a scheme change with the dolphins that sent him looking for a four three team again. So the Cowboys are hoping that he is going to be a much more consistent presence on that right side. And this is not this is about replacing Randy, Gregory. Yes. In the short term. But this is also about keeping Tyrone Crawford from having all that pressure of being a write in when he's really not that fit. And it's everywhere. One of the Cowboys signings including Quinn trae. But all the free agents on ings looked to be excellent value for the cost. Yes. And they came out Steven Jones came out, Tom. And that's why I wanted to get to here because Steven Jones actually wanted to reiterate the fact that getting Robert Quinn puts more like puts more motivation in their cats to get it done with DeMarcus Lawrence, and he didn't mention that the last time when they were talking about Alan Hearns. He never, you know, mum was the word Dez Bryant until it happened. But he it clear that he wants to get the deal done with DeMarcus Lawrence that this is an addition to not a guy that they look at trying to replace DeMarcus Lawrence because I think that's what everyone is fearful of. Yeah. I don't that's not the way that's not what the team is showing in. It's it's it's cards that that's you know, they aren't even bluffing about it. They they have made no talk about moving on. Lawrence. And I don't I think that their plan is to have him for, you know, three years because almost all NFL contracts when you come down to it nowadays there are three year deal. There's no nothing really tying player might say six five six years. But it's really you. You have an out at their like, that's just that's just all, you know, flash. And yeah, just to to look good, which is you know, that I've really wished that the NFL would get into having just let's have a guaranteed contract in which to go bike them all for about three years. You know, one two or three years skip all this long stuff. But yeah, because you look at the safety position in how like everyone says, oh, well, the Seika is our back. The Sates are getting paid not really folks like three hundred million dollars. Yeah. The NFL spent three hundred million dollars this year on safety's all but eight million to nine guys. Yeah. It's not it's not a huge. It was still a slow safety and how much of that was guaranteed. No not much at all. Yeah. Like one hundred and seventy six million out of three hundred and something. Yeah. Not not very much. Yeah. And that's just that's the nature of thing. And that's kind of why the NFL PA is probably going to be looking for blood as far as the salary cap comes. They're gonna figure. Yeah. Tom. What do you think about this DeMarcus Lawrence the rumors that were hearing everything that's going on with the situation about the shoulder surgery in how he, you know, Brian brought us said this week that he thinks that every day that he waits to get that shoulder surgery. It's not actually helping him in the negotiation that it's not very much leveraged for DeMarcus Lawrence to try to create even though I would, you know, applaud him for trying to create some leverage there. It's just it's important to have that first year on that deal. Yeah. And like you were like we were talking about earlier. You have to wonder how much of this is a reflection of the report that the agent Kanter just does not trust the Jones family, and there's some kind of bad blood there, which I'm not familiar with the history on. But apparently, they don't get along. Very well. Well, he's represented a lot of Cowboys in the past. Yeah. And you know, maybe he just doesn't like the fact that they tend to stick by their guns. Blazing lar- ball. I I don't know. But is he living is that influencing what he's doing is? He doing the right thing for his client, or as, you know, letting his own ego get into which I don't know. But overall, I just I feel like this is going to get done. And I think it may be exceleron a little bit as the Cowboys get all these other uncertainties cleared up that's going to allow them to focus a little bit more on. How do we get this done and sit back, you know? And I think they could I think they're going to. Mental. Okay. We'll be this price Boyd. They wanna stick to their guns on doing a five year versus a six year deal, which is is like if if it's five or six years, and I'm the agent. There's no way I'll let that be a sticky point because of that whole three year deal, it's really only rear contract anyway, who cares about whether it says five or six, you know, the changes wants to have a little more flexibility when that time comes, and, you know, they're making the bet that the he's not really gonna have six productive years in the NFL, which is smart money. You know as much as we hate to admit it these guys don't last that long. They have a narrow window when they can play. So yeah, I think that going to work something out and get the money done free up some of that twenty million dollar cap hit that he's got and move onto the next important deal. Like, I said I would like. It, you know, if you get what ball, I think that they're kind of goal is to see have, you know, something in place on Lawrence. Then something worked out with Prescott. Then get something worked out fairly soon with Cooper. I don't know if the restrictions are whether they have to get that done before camp started to where they stay from what I'm hearing the whispers, he's a happy camper. He's fine. Where he's at right now knows that they're they're working on they're going to work on that. And but I wanted to mention about the Lawrence thing is that the reason I don't believe that everything that's coming out is that you see these things happen with negotiations. All the to the. Oh, yeah. Agent is going to try to put pressure on the club by saying that they're disrespecting his his client, the then they're going to put out that the client feels disrespected and that the the next thing is that the Cowboys are low balling and somebody had mentioned, and I don't care who that the Cowboys had only offered him seventeen million a year. You know, why? I know that's bogus because they are. Franchise tag him for twenty. So if they franchise tag him for twenty you're not going to start the conversation under twenty. Yeah. That is just not smart. If you starting that conversation under twenty if you're really doing that. Then that means you don't really want to sign him. You know, you you buy the talk about seventeen million last year. Yeah. When he was seventeen million cap hit. But yeah, I don't I don't know. Like, you said that's part of the whole fog of this thing is that we don't really know yet. You know, we get reports we get sources, you know, we get leaks from the team. We get leaks from the agent, and yeah, I don't know. It's just it's all we're in the it's really with the most important positions in football quarterback pass rushers up there left tackle, they all those are positions that are based off the next guy type stuff now positions are like that running backs. Not like that. It's either you're good get paid. If you're not you get you kind of fall in line same thing with safety, but with defensive ins, they wanna get he wants to get paid like Khalil Mack. He has you know, he has every right to feel that he's near that level. I think they're hell boys. Have every right to feel that he's not. But they've got. Yeah. That's where you got to work out. How close we wanna come on this where they wanna give. And. Yeah, I I don't I don't know. If you you'll give it Khalil Mack that you have to look at the fact that is subways. You know, DeMarcus may not be quite there is a pass rusher. But is he a more complete in some ways is definitely he's a he's the best run defending deep air in the NFL. So it's like you've got two guys that should be considered on the same tier? And that's kind of where I think the Cowboys are going to have to come to. And you know, you've talked about deadlines, I think the important thing is what's the internal deadline. They feel for when they wanna get a Lawrence into surgery and have him on the recovery track. Get him on the field. I I would say it's before July fifteenth. Well, yeah. That's what I've that's what I think we need to know is what is Stephen Jones. Does he have a landmark date? He wants to get this done by which of course, he's gonna keep that card right up against the vest. And that that is something that I would believe is kind of a snack there, Tom because I don't know if it was like I said before I applaud his agent and Lawrence for trying to come up with leverage in a game. Where players don't get much leverage at all in under the CBA. But I don't know the longer you wait if that leverage is really exists anymore. It becomes more of a problem. Because like I said the Cowboys are going to give you the best deal that you're gonna get at all like, that's it. You're not going to get more from another team. It's not gonna. Yeah. And the other thing that people need to to stop. Remember, this is business. Yes. This is negotiation. If if you have a General Motors the Goshi hitting with a tire company to try to get a better deal for the tire that they put on say eighty percent of the certain model of car. Nobody says anything of this sticky a drug out, and they're just going back and forth over the last few dollars. That's just how it's done. But here because it's the NFL because we're invested in the re the outcome of these teams because this is all being done very publicly because the figures to boast of us same astronomical, the everybody is like oh my gosh. But that's just how it's done yet. You could see animosity and like you can say oh man there. You know, DeMarcus Lawrence is pretty upset with the Cowboys. Everybody's upset until the ink dries on the check. People. Yeah. And you know, you wanna see animosity look at some of the union ago, she Asians that have gone up with Eva the automobile industry in the steel industry and stuff like that yet. They get these done. Everything gets started back up again, and it goes on like normal. You know, it's just don't get too wrapped around the fact about the fact that this is kind of got little hard nose to the negotiating table. That's just how it's done. It's not going to have any real impact on what Lawrence does when he finally gets on the field. He's just going to go out there and play the game, and is very rare usually a player suddenly quit playing. Well, because he got paid that kinda doesn't happen. What usually happens is players get paid at the wrong time where they're just about to start sliding over that cliff. Exactly they get paid a little late because teams want to the app them for as cheap as they can for as long as they can. And I understand that. I. This is all a business here. And I that's why I'm not ready to panic with DeMarcus Lawrence stuff because I don't know how much of it is true. And how much of it is trying to fabricate a situation to where people will start making concessions. That's usually what happens in negotiation if concessions are made. But that's all the time. We really have for you guys here on the proof of the boys podcast. We want to thank you guys for joining us for another week. Hopefully, you know, a bunch won't just start happening as soon as we get off here today, but we want to thank you guys for listening. This has been the bruise the boys podcast and official podcast of blog in the boys Espy nation through the vox media podcast network and Hsi-wei media look out for apple and Android links in the coming days on Twitter, and all of our social media platforms. Follow him at Tom where I'll be TB. He is the bee's knees guys. He's he is the man. My dude follow me atmosphere. Sizemore and follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram at Bruce in the boys. Check blogging the boys dot com. 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Hour 1: Biggest Moments On The Last Dance

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Hour 1: Biggest Moments On The Last Dance

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Does that play the game? Play that way. A winning has a price. What's going on everybody? Welcome into I take you so much for hanging with us. Max Kellerman Stephen a Smith. I'm Molly Karen. Rose guys seven eight aired last night. They did not disappoint to say. The least. We saw a very emotional Michael Jordan Steven at. What's the biggest moment that stood out to you from the last two episodes? Well there were two big moments for me molly and Max. The the one is obvious. In terms of his emotion at the end because he was basically highlighting illuminating what he had said a bit earlier in the episode whereas he was pointing to the sacrifices that he made in order to be a champion and his attitude was those who came after me as teammates. Who didn't endure a have to endure what I had to endure. I don't believe they had the right to sit up there and tell me to be differently. They didn't have to endure what I had to endure. They didn't have to pay the price that I had to pay to get ear and I knew that in order to win. That's how you want. And so I was certainly going to make the demand the same as he said directly known to ever say that Michael Jordan asked them to do a thing. Dating did not or would not have done himself so that once stood out to me above all else the other thing is and I just gotTa say it and I take no pleasure saying this because I love the guy personally but Scotty pippin looks very very bad in this docu series overall and his own words. Nobody else is. This is not about Jordan. This is not about a Phil Jackson. Anybody else let's think about this off a second. I think number two episode number two weeks. Scottie Pippen admitting that he delayed his surgery it didn't get it taken care of during the some of because his attitude was. He was being underpaid by the bills by the Bulls and damned them. He wasn't going to F. up his summer and so as a result he missed the first thirty five games he was talking about. Never planning a bulls uniform again and essentially procrastinated and delayed his arrival for that last season on purpose then last night we saw in one thousand nine hundred ninety four you refuse to check into a game went away. Phil caught the last place for Tony. Coup coach but prior to that it prior to that they were talking about how the Bulls were successful that year because they ran the triangle to near perfection. Woods with Scottie. Pippen obviously being architect but Tony. Kukoc coach had hit the game winning shot on several occasions and they will winning by sharing the basketball. Because Michael Jordan wasn't there to yell at them and he wasn't always take the final shot so it wasn't like Phil Jackson was asking if something asking you to make a sacrifice that you hadn't made or ready on several occasions during that season so we got to take that into consideration as well and so when you look at it. From that perspective those two elements those two moments in this docu series along with the obvious migraine that he couldn't help this all top fifty great player. I'm one of the top three defenders in the history of basketball a six time champion. A good do the whole bit but those three things the Migraine the contract dispute and then not checking into a game. All of those things are the things that resonate about Scottie. Pippen and I don't think he looks good with this Docu series at all. Well let me touch on the PIPPIN thing. I since you brought it up Stephen Scottie Pippen. Let's not forget. This is not just a game this game. Three of the of the playoff series against the Knicks. Like he doesn't and then let's take into consideration. It wasn't a great shooter coaches a much better shooter. And then let's take into consideration. It worked coup coach. Hit the shots. They I mean like if it makes him look terrible. I agree and and unlike I've heard it compared. I read recently someone on that Bulls team compared it to like Bill Buckner in one thousand nine hundred eighty six letting the ball between his legs. But that's an honest mistake on the field of play. Of course buckner was gone to one of those things went through his legs. This is pippen's choice not to go in so for him to compound that's mistake all these years later and the documentary did a great job. Last night of building you up to think here comes ping with a MEA culpa for him instead to say I'd have done the same thing all over again is a really bad look and I would hope would reconsider that to me. What Joe absolutely jumped out another moment was the finals game that fell on Father's Day because the thing about Jordan. Now everyone knows you six or six in the championship. And he never went to a seventh game in the finals and all that stuff and he was six time finals. Mvp and he's the best player ever all those kinds of things so we like. How do you create drama? Because we know he beats everyone it set up. The Sonics didn't have a chance and no one did. The Sonics had a chance but the sonics over sixty games that year. They be Houston. Who was defending back to back. Champion in the playoffs and Lajoie was still playing ball. They BE UTAH. Who's on their way to finals? Appearances on the way to get to the Bulls if they were our house team. Biggest weren't considered to dig. Didn't no one considers them have a chance against that bulls team because that full steam with the greatest of all time. So you have to start thinking of ways to drum up the drama right and so when the DOC touches on. Hey it's an emotional time for Jordan. The knee jerk reaction is. Oh come on you. Guys are looking for some drama here but in fact when when it comes full circle and they reinforce what went on with his father throughout the dock and then the fact that it fell on Father's Day I know people oftentimes say well. That's the escape from the emotional turmoil of everyday life is the workplace right. An athlete can go to the field of play an escape all of that. But anyone who's gone through something like that It's a big thing. So when Jordan says hey it wasn't Gary Payton who bothered me. It were other other things. It rings true to me especially since the thing only when the six games so that that jumped out to me I agree with you. I don't disagree with you on any of those points and and that's what I love about it and then when you see the raw emotion you recognize the fact that those emotions that he showed throughout the years weren't fake. You know you could see that guy is intense that he was a high end competitor that he cared a great deal and that he demanded from the same from you. And just think about it. Anybody who's wanted anything when you've sacrificed in order to win you just don't want people by your side that don't WanNa make those same sacrifices not as teammates. Now if you've got friends if you've got fans and people like that and they want to praise you for your exploits that's entirely different but when it comes to go in the war and doing everything that you can be a winner. You can't pull that off if you have somebody besides you willing to take shortcuts and willing to cliffnote their way through things per se or anything like that you just can't pull it off is not GonNa last. It's not gonNA be something. That's sustainable is what he was saying and I totally get that and I totally appreciate because every athlete. It'd be great athlete that I've ever covered that it's told me stuff. They've spoken along the same lines. Since you bring it up Stephen a that was absolutely another moment. That stayed with me. It's when he was in. Agony looked in the locker room after winning the championship. Having come back and you can imagine that. It's about his father at that moment but it hearkens back to the original championship. The first of the of the six when the way he clutched the trophy. I'll never forget that because we were all watching it live on TV anyway. I was a kid watching that Jordan and the duck also in previous episodes did a good job of this was known as a scorer who couldn't win the championship which is ridiculous. He didn't have a squad when he wasn't winning so when he won that first title the way he clutched that trophy and was lying on the ground and crying with his head pressed against it. You saw how much winning meant to him. How competitive he was. And this time there was like theme and variation because you go back to a similar image but this time a lot of stuff that's happened. He lost his father. And it's a different kind of emotional charge when you see it. It's not as an iconic image which made it fresher what you saw it but I certainly jumped out at me geico presents. Not again another voicemail from your roommate. Hey man so I was in a rush to get to work and I love the back door open shut. I lifted wide open. While you're there could you also turn off the oven and all of the burners? My mom never let me use the oven. I wonder why the Geico Insurance Agency could help. Keep your personal property protected. Like if it's your roommate's first time operating in oven visit. Geico DOT COM to see how easy it is to switch and save on Renter's insurance. It's time to keep up with the Joneses fellas. There is still no long term contract for Dak Prescott Dallas placed the exclusive tag a contract on the pro bowl signal caller while also bringing in another pro bowler vet in Andy. Steven Jones said this about the situation to throw the ball talk. Stephen A. YOU'RE GONNA love this. There's all sorts of analytics. Your favorite. That showed your quarterback takes up too big of a percentage of your salary capped that it decreases your chances to win the hall of Famer Joe. Theismann recently weighed in on the Dak Prescott Dilemma. Cbs Sports Radio. This if I was advising Dak Prescott I would say take the money. What are you looking for? Another couple of million. You're never gonNA see the last year of this contract anyway. You are not a top five quarterback in the National Football League. A good football player. You have the potential to be better. But what have you done out a cowboy Murphy? Spirits JOINS US now guy. Some strong stuff to unpack here. Max I'll start with you. Are the cowboys right to use of quarterback analytics and DAX negotiations? Sure but let me change the name for it so people can follow this. It's really simple. Call Common Sense for a second. Okay not just quarterback play any position player. Any player on your team who takes up to larger share of the salary. Cap is going to decrease your chances to win. Why because there's less money to go around. That's the point of a salary cap. So Stephen a while it is obnoxious for Stephen Jones to sit there and say it's not about the Joneses patting our own bank accounts not like. We're trying to save money for our family. We just try to win Football Games. But that's especially obnoxious because his father. Jerry Jones is the guy who ushered in the salary cap in the first place which has zero to do with competitive balance. I mean look when I was a kid. Buffalo bills went to the Super Bowl every year. Bengals small market teams gossip the Super Bowl all the time. It's not about that. It's not like that's happening more now. There's there's a greater variation and teams that make the Super Bowl. It's about simply the owner stopping themselves from paying the players air worth. That's it so Steven Jones should never open his mouth. Ever about the fact all the handcuffs on we can't pay but he's absolutely right like no quarterback who's been the top pay guys ever won the Super Bowl in this century which is already two decades old. It just doesn't happen and if someone's going to break the ball and say to hell with it we're going to pay this guy boy that guy better be able to carry a team like I duNNo. Patrick Mahomes Mike Patrick. Mahomes one day be the highest paid guy and his team won the Super Bowl. Yup Yup that could. I could see that happening. Dak Prescott eight Patrick Mahomes and I like there's more but go ahead guys. There's more I WANNA say Stephen Jones but I wanna take up the whole segment. I am so to you. I want to give you a round of applause because you made about five different data points and you out to make by more so the fact that you're willing to stop we could grab or what the hell you're saying. I mean I'm so appreciative of that because some fall bob the rest of us. I thank you for I think would be kind enough to bless us which intellect to just stop shot for my ten point. Welcome at his ultimate. Here's the ultimate point. You're Steven Jones. Excuse me I don't WanNa hear a damn thing about why not at somebody. Is it just me and swag? Oh listen can somebody join me in this chorus to call somebody to find out what the Hell Dak? Prescott is being offered. It guaranteed dollars. Could somebody that famously. Because we know we don't know Max B writer for Thirteen Years Journalists. Twenty five you. I have never seen it in my life so long in my career. I have never seen a take the floor for somebody to find out what the hell is. Debt press got being offered in guarantee dollars. Because guess what Max that. Suddenly the suspect is going. We don't have to worry about analytic. We don't have to worry about anything whether it Stephen Jones and Jerry Jones or Dak Prescott. There's a clear side that you would be willing to take if we knew the truth. The fact of the matter is we don't know was Dak. Prescott offered one hundred and ten million dollars like Jericho about one hundred and nine hundred and seven. Whatever it was that cost went got are. We sure it's going to be thirty five million a year. I don't even think that's the issue this way. Because the exclusive franchise tag cost you get thirty one and a half million dollars on a one year deal so you don't document if that ship. Pramath is absolutely right they do. If you're being guaranteed over thirty million dollars I mean come on. What are we talking about here? A couple of million dollars. He's right if you have the guaranteed dollar and within that rage but the reality is we don't know it's plausible guys that based on what Joe Tasman said based on what some debt critics Dak Prescott critics might say. It's plausible that they might have come to him with about ten to fifteen million dollars less in guaranteed dollars then a guy and Carson Wentz who played in one playoff game was knocked out in three minutes by today beyond cloudy. Dak Prescott has been the three playoff games. He's won at least one so what I'm saying is when you look at dead along with his forty and twenty four record as a starter. It's entirely plausible. That you might have come to this brother and asked him to take about ten to fifteen million less than guaranteed dollars. We don't know and if we don't know what the Hell is. Anybody sided with Jerry Jones and Steven Jones for on this matter. Talking about caps and quarterbacks when you're behind one end a quarter century who the hell are you take you are bringing us that tried to cap stuff in the last twenty five years? You've had that work. Hell no so. I don't WanNa hear that Stephen Yuko to pass the but you pretend this morning and mass you know damn well what that analytic statement was about. That was a precursor to the fact that we aren't trying to give back the money that everybody is throwing around at least. That's what I got from the total compensation the problem that I have with this whole situation though and I. It goes back to the foundation of what we've seen. Quarterbacks have happened in the past when they get to this point in their careers. Because we've all talked about quarterbacks. Don't grow trees hard to find a good one when you find a good one get better. Keep him each and every one of us on this show has made that statement at some point in time about NFL quarterbacks. Here's my issue when you look at everything. The total sum of this whole conversation. This ordeal this contract negotiation. Whatever you WANNA call it. Since the beginning it has all come back to. Are they really willing to pay top your quarterback money and I keep hearing number of years? I keep hearing that that this team was four. The cowboys more five. They got all these excuses about the salary. Cap is going to go up. He needs to be well positioned for that. All of this foolishness why we continued to see the Dallas cowboys deal negotiating signed bringing and now to the last point you bring in a significant guy that can actually start and probably win games with this team. So let's the add on top of all the money that they've already given out but we sit here two point and accepting let the cowboys are playing fair and just being a hard head okay. Waste this publicly right now. It back Prescott has been offered eight of thirty five million dollars best. Not even my issue the cowboys have offered Dak Prescott hundred million dollars or more guaranteed and he's saying no because he wants a four year as opposed to a five year backed is out of his mind. I just don't believe that's the case right because nobody can say they have. Let let me address that I got something for you. Stephen a. The length if it is true that is what's reported is the length of the deal is the issue if it's the length of the deal than than Steven Jones is being disingenuous twice. Once we're not trying to save money we'd love to pay him. More hands are tied. Because your father shepherd it in the salary cap and secondly it's not about the money about the length of time 'cause that wants out earlier because he thinks he can renegotiate for more then. We'll actually technically Stephen Jerry. That saves you money right now. That's betting on himself and on the League going forward so don't try to play it like it's not that but Stephen and Marcus. This is the idea that Dak Prescott is underpaid. Or it's long because other guys are getting paid is a self defeating point. The reason he points to analytics just call it common sense. That none of the top paid quarterbacks win the Super Bowl now twenty years right the top guy new reason. He points to that because the quarterback market is irrationally. Exuberant overvalue quarterbacks. Obviously the top guys put one on both. If we assume winning super bowls is the point so your point that since the market is crazy. They need to pay their quarterback according to the crazy mark instead of according to what they think he's worth doesn't work for first of all first of all Max Kellerman one of these days you make me call you out on National Television. Because don't tell me that do what we all want. The fact of the matter is if somebody's getting paid X. amount of dollars and they do the same thing that you do. You believe your Paul with that that sets the market you understand that secondly more importantly don't you did sit up here on national television and try to convince us that analytics has common. Sit Thomas Sense for you. Plenty of times that we looked at it. We go hell no comment about. It doesn't seem to make any sense. Okay I'm not saying all the time because analytics listen. Analytics is not new. Pat Riley just noticed why go Pat Riley was using analytics in the late eighties for crying. Out lout as players who play analytics eight new it's just that all of a sudden it's been categorized in fashion. In my estimation that brings a select few people in and leave the whole people out of the mix but that's a subject for another day. You can take the floor swag but I'll be damned if Max go convince me that analytics. Let's just call it common to run my show stuff? These news do what? Let me grab the MIC. Let me grab the MIC. Because I heard the little smirk in the laugh from Max Kellerman about Matt. You don't like the Philadelphia. Eagles knew that the analytic you don't think the La Rams new analytics back paid off mistake. Well have they won anything. No they haven't won anything but they damn sure felt like Carson Winston. Jared Goff was worth it so now now the cowboys are going to be the franchise to said it their quarterback. Hey we're not going to pay you market value because you're not warmth that here's the deal. Max Kellerman and everybody out there. They're selling this conversation regardless of what you feel and Analytics Win Steven Jones said that he drew land to what I was thinking that a lot of people out there was thinking they don't WanNa pay check what the market is saying. He's not as good as to be a started and one dame's in this league so now I just I have a problem with the fact that you act like thirty one other. Nfl teams. Don't know that if you paid a quarterback a lot of money in a lead the super bowl so now we go do this now. The Dallas Cowboys we take it back from. Nicoli can never change and super bowl. So you're kidding right so so so eventually is going to be the next guy up. Who Doesn't get paid if people are trying to bring the market into line with reality right. So what you're saying is it should never change because that guy could always say why me. Max Executive stop going here. I got I got some video. Max Max Max is the executive that numbers crunchers. And you're the guy that never wins. You'll sit up there. You'll be competitive. You'll definitely make your own money but you ain't GonNa win because you sit up that you get value you saying. Excuse me let's take because of what you're saying based on what you're saying you ignore wing you is on a market you. You are the one saying that offer get calling analytics common sense. I point out to you that the top pay quarterback never wins the super bowl. Therefore don't make your guy unless it's maybe Patrick Mahomes in he'll he'll he'll be. The exception proves the rule. Don't make your guy if he's not worth at the top pagan the market says you should. But that's what an overly exuberant or that. It's not reflecting your best interests because what the quarterback is saying because the coach don't know what the hell he doing. What defense can't play was it because the quarterback that's why they lose it you're right. It's not necessarily causal out is a one hundred percent correlation so far between top paid quarterback and no super bowl going back twenty years. According to handle your enemies are doing. Nobody's arguing with the analytics are the percentages. The point is other teams have continued to do it under that. Same Vein so stop selling to the public scene. 'cause you was the one that we're talking about well Jerry. Does he just want to keep the cowboys in the media? They don't WanNa pay the man the type of money he's asking for. That's what the problem is with this contract negotiation. Geico knows there are many reasons why you ride from the Camaraderie of the other bikers. Band of brothers always there for you. Rain or shine to the amazing savings. You get with Geico on your motorcycle insurance and accessories coverage all year round but for Cornhill one reason in particular. It was my helmet. Hair was born with helmet hair. I've tried to cut a bunch of times even buzzing it but it immediately just goes back down here geico motorcycle. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Tom Brady joined a list of sports stars. Who signed a letter seeking a federal investigation into the tragic shooting death of a arbitrate and Georgia among those who signed the letter to attorney? General William Bara Warriors Coach Steve Kerr and the players. Coalition Cofounders Malcolm Jenkins and Anquan Boldin. Who will join US later? Stephen this is a sickening heartbreaking tragedy. What is your reaction to Tom? Brady lending his name and signing this letter. Well I appreciate him. I appreciate his His conscious his consciousness in this metal along with the plethora players and coaches who signed That let's take Lebron James on that list Stan. Van Gundy was on that list. You mentioned Steve. Kerr obviously emboldened Malcolm Jenkins and what they're doing Can't say enough about them. Let's not forget the executive. Vp for the National Football League. Troy Vincent His name is his signatures on that as well along with plenty of others I mean. Obviously this is something that we've talked about many many occasions in the past And I'm lucky to have Max here with me as much as he brings up systemic racism What and how IT IS AOL. Dot Nation for so many years This is just the latest example of it. This is not a police officer shooting an unarmed black man But as far as I'm concerned this is just as bad. This is Vigilantism IF YOU WANNA call it that or just flat racism. I don't think I think it would be an insult to call vigilantism. I think this is just flat out. Racism this guy was jogging. He was not armed he was he was bothered by these individuals day pursued him the father and son They obviously need to be arrested. Seventy four days without an arrest taking place. That's just agreed. If we hadn't seen this video they'd still be walking around Scott free with not having to worry about any repercussions whatsoever and that gets us to the big. You have law enforcement that needs to be put under intense federal investigation. This calls for federal investigation. Make no mistake about it now. Obviously the the Corona Corona virus pandemic taking place To get indicted. You've got to go before the courts. And what have you that requires a gathering and that's not expected to be able to transpire until June but nevertheless they should. They should have been arrested. They should be incarcerated. They should not be allowed out of jail. And Law enforcement officials need to be investigated of the local prosecutors who failed to to pursue this matter until being forced to. They need to be investigated as well from the top down anybody that was associated with this because this is a former police investigator him and his son. That obviously did the did the shooting It needs to be thoroughly investigated. And obviously somebody needs to pay a price. A life has been taken and I don't WanNa hear some stuff about a shoplifting case when the guy was eighteen years of age that has absolutely nothing to do with his murder that took place because he was jogging down a road and you went after him and approached him. Because you miss took him to be a burglar in the neighborhood. So your story goes. It doesn't wash it doesn't fly applaud. The Reverend Al Sharpton Forget involve my brother Ben Crop an exceptional attorney who obviously was involved with the Trayvon Martin case and represented their family. This is something along the lines of that ilk actually almost identical to the point where you're walking around you're on Ogden armed and somebody that is not a law enforcement issue is armed comes bothering you and by the way Max. I'll give it to you by saying this. Georgia is one of several states. That have stand your ground laws. Let's understand that. Stand your ground. Basically says that you don't have to retreat. If indeed you are threatened and you are put in harm's way it doesn't say you pursue somebody else to do on that's what has transpired trayvon. Martin and that's what's transpiring. That's what transpired in this particular. It's in needs to be addressed. More rest. Need to be made and people need to lose their careers over this. It's agreed stand your ground. I mean when the guy literally running away that's not standing your ground. That's hot pursuit hook. This happened several years back when when black lives matter started blowing up so to speak and and some politicians said well all lives matter and of course to reasonable people could not who were really thinking about it. 'cause what's wrong with saying that it's because black lives matter really means parenthetically to black lives matter to seventy four days. Is the key here Stephen? Seventy four days before an arrest. But you have what you need to make an arrest because this country and when I say this country look used to be called Middle America. Whatever you WANNA call it. The last general election showed that white people particularly in the middle of the country and the south voted as a monolith. They voted together as a racial block. So this country that said has a very high tolerance for dead black people and and you know what once upon a time it was. You know the no equality then then the rallying cry in the south especially separate but equal right separate but equal. They were trying to make legal defense along those lines separate but equal they can tolerate together an unequal or separate but equal. But what about just together an equal and so a white athletes in particular the face of the NFL at least until recently and we'll see going forward and the greatest of all time in the sport to sign on. I think is important because there needs to be solidarity shown not as black people or white people but human beings in as Americans and so. It's great that Tom Brady signed on. And I think that usually in these cases finally just say Stephen usually in these cases the there is somehow another side you know. There are defenders of the bad behavior. And they'll usually point out something like well. Circumstances weren't perfect. You can see where the person who committed the crime. Might Misunderstand something a burglary. You're gonNA chase a guy with a gun and chase the guy down the block for a burglary and shoot him dead in cold blood because he won't stop that that that that's okay when I say there's a high threshold a high tolerance for dead African Americans in this country. That's okay so if he's black but do the thought experiment if he were white. Would it? Take seventy four days to make an arrest. So it's important that Tom Brady lent his name to the cause. Well it's definitely important is definitely a most appreciated because the reality is that is heart. Wrenching is this is to know that this happened to Miss Aubrey. The bottom line is very few of us in the African American community are surprised It's something when we heard the news. We certainly weren't shocked by. We all palled and heartbroken by it but we weren't surprised because unfortunately nobody wants to bring up the reality or I should say very few people want to bring up to reality of that. That black men are marked. Man You got people coming after black men all the DAG on time and acting on video on social media I literally saw just the other day a white individual waving waving sworn in the direction of police officers and it literally lasts for about four or five minutes. Had that been a man. We'll tell you we believe we would have been dead. That's what we're dealing with here. So Tom Brady. And Stan Van Gundy and others Steve Kerr and other signing their name to it. Listen we're all in this together black and white and there's a lot of but there's an awful lot of good white folks out there that recognize. How egregious is that something needs to be done about it and all of us need to come together to help. Put a stop to this Because every black man is not criminal matter of fact most black men are not criminals. Most black men are law abiding citizens go about the business. Putting their head down going to work every day and representing our society in our communities and upstanding fashion and the man in wished we have been labelled and stigmatized and castigated the so egregious. Somebody needs to say something. Somebody needs to do something about it and I applaud the players. Coalition for doing just that. We should have done it too. And we're doing it now elsewhere. The President Marc emery. Says FALSE FORTS LIKELY? A No go. If campuses aren't open to all students and Virginia President James Ryan told. Cbs The nation that we need to have students back on the ground beef. Four football can begin here was Emmerick speaking from NC Double A.'s. Twitter account on Friday. First of all all of the Division One for sure all of the commissioners and and every president that I've talked to is is clear agreement if you don't have students on campus you don't have you know don't have student athletes on campus. That doesn't mean it has to be up and running in the full normal model but you've got to treat the health and wellbeing of the athletes at least as much as the regular students and so if the school doesn't reopen then they're not going to be playing sports. It's really that simple Likud's here now coach of Arizona state our friend her Edwards. It has been too long term. We miss you. It's great to have you with us and I hope you in the family are doing well her. I'm going to get right into it here. You just heard mark emery. Where are you on this subject? He saying if campuses aren't open then we can't have college football. I understand exact words coming from the last time I checked this football game. Your football thing. It's not a social sport by instructed imagination and that being said if there's little students on campus you're sending a signal that you feel not quite safe for them to return to campus. Why is it safe but the players play football coach? Is that your feeling about college. Football or the sport of football overall. Do you think that that mode of thinking needs to extend to professional football because professional football has the television and not to say the college football? But you've got big five conferences and things of that nature that might have the television contracts with is a plethora on a numerous amount of schools. That don't have those television contracts whereas in the National Football League you do have the television contracts and is your mindset that no matter what you're college or pro football that needs to be the mentality in the approach. Well I think mentality I always have to be the safety of player. Who's well as the fans I think? Pro Football these professional football players last time I checked a game. I coaches college football. There's two athletes I and by the way being student athletes. They have a garden at hasn't decisions to make in the situation as well their parents so I think you know if we sit here and think about what is going to happen. I think there is. There's all kinds of thoughts out there. We energy and emotion make the world go round but facts and commonsense it slows down. And I think we've done a nice job of slowing down and trying to rethink ourselves and say well. How can we make this happen where it's going to be safe with the players as well as the band have? Come in the saints. That's very important. Safety is half half to be the number one concern for one right now. Coach with all the uncertainty going forward and with the restrictions presently in places result of this pandemic. How are you preparing for the upcoming season? Well we're prepared like there's going to be a season obviously and I think as we know the one thing I knew know about sports just life in general a plan. That can't be changed bad plant so every every week. You seem to adjust your. You're thinking of how you're going to do things and right now we're going to have another meeting Thursday with the PAC twelve coaches to figure out where we're at right now. We do know we do this. We need about a six a six week window to make sure the players are into dish to play football. Let's don't lose sight of that. We've missed valuable time right now. With their inability to to work out. You know you'd have to work out and be prepared to play football. You just can't help and all star plan so we all athletes to get mistake before we can even think about playing football coach. I understand your motor thinking now see where your sensitivity lies. I appreciate that but knowing that you're going to be a voice in that room. The are their ideas. If any if any at all that you yourself have thought about or have. Come up with that. You'd like to convey to folks in the NCW on F. S. Is there anything that you'd like to convey that you've been thinking about that? You think can facilitate US having a college football sees. Well I think the power be have done a great job of putting a lot of things on the table and I think right. Now we're all just trying to figure out what is the best thing to do for everyone. There's another out there that big about this. Let's say you decide to open up but all of a sudden there's some teams that you play that their state doesn't open up. Let's say we're in Arizona. Let's say we open up. Let's say California does not. There's four teams in California in the PAC twelve. Wouldn't be doing about those teams. I mean there's so many balls being gel right now. It's very difficult. And that's why I don't think you see a concrete answer because we're looking for answers. There's a lot. There's a lot of people evolve because much smarter than me to make this decision coach just in terms of not not paying attention to every detail of reality but we just saw the UFC staging events. Successful event is very exciting. But we've had experiences as individuals many of US watching fights and empty gyms that doesn't seem unnatural. Let's say their social distancing in place in a lot of online learning and stuff but campuses are open enough somehow to to stage events but clearly. You can't packed stadium right stadiums. Do you think it should be played that? Football's the kind of sport that that lends itself to being able to be played without fans in attendance. It would be different. There's no doubt if they decide to do that. All I care about. Is this the safety of the players and the fans when it's good when it's not safe and we're going to have a prom? We're going to have a problem. We all know that. And I think we're smart enough to realize that everyone is talking about. They understand the elephant in the room is the safety of players in pain. That's the most important thing and until we can figure that out. We're all struggling with different ideas and I get trust me. I understand. It is very difficult right now for everyone. We all want to go out your feet of water. But what does it look like? There's a hundred college football players on both sidelines. That's a lot of young men with coaches. That's approximately one hundred and fifty people on both. That's three hundred. People to just on the sideline boxes. How do we make this work?

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Hour 1: Don't Blame Jerry

The Stephen A. Smith Show

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Hour 1: Don't Blame Jerry

"This is the Steven A.. Smith show podcast was everybody. Welcome the latest addition to the Stephen a Smith show every weekday over the national airwaves of ESPN radio and ESPN. Two hundred fifty markets. Of course the United States of America Chuck Uh. Am FM listening nearest you plus ESPN radio on Sirius. Xm Channel Eighty plus ESPN radio simulcast over the live national television waves of ESPN news number. The caller was always always triple eight say. ESPN that's eight. Seven to nine. Three seven seven six bowl season is looming tune in tonight for the PAC twelve championship game presented by Dr Pepper Coverage Begins at seven. PM EASTERN ON ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. Time for straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless the God Bowl Games take place Utah and Oregon the night. Obviously that's something that's worthy of of touching on We've got a slew of NFL Games to keep by is on eagles giants Monday night. Football chiefs Patriot Sunday forty-nine Saint Sunday got a lot of stuff to get into. Obviously I I have to touch on the Knicks being a native New Yorker and our New York Knicks Fan that I am It is appalling. What has been transpiring It's Tom McCall some things and I will just a few minutes but before I do any of that. Laser Gentlemen in Dallas Cowboys lost the game last night by the final score. Thirty one twenty four game. That was not at all as close as the score would indicate the Dallas cowboys were beat up. They will punked. They were beat down. They were embarrassed. Mitchell trubisky put on the show. Last night three touchdowns he threw one touchdown he ran for ran the football. Not of a sixty three yards on ten carries the most rushing yards. He had throughout the season with those wheels on him. The most rushing yards he had. This season was eighteen yachts. What's Matt Nagy was clearly holding him back for running the football in unleashed him on Thursday night? And that's what ended up happening. We SORTA Dallas cowboys. Oh boys fragmenting before very odd and offensive coordinator. There could only keep his head down off quarterback arguing with offense of lyman tight end getting onto the offensive coordinator. I mean everywhere you turn. This went on and on it was just an absolutely positively embarrassing situation. Even Zeki Elliott was waving his hands. incredulously asleep helplessly wondering what the hell was going on We could get an all of that as the show progresses but I gotta tell you something I gotta start off for something. I was going to start off. This show maligning Dallas Cowboy fans like I love to do because I truly truly believe from the bottom of my heart. The Dallas Cowboy fans are the worst fans in in American history They have no shame. they stink most of the time they know it and never accept it You know they can go one in fifteen eighteen three and thirteen and with their fifteen minutes of season coming to an end. They're literally say you know we're GonNa win the Super Bowl next year right. They are the most disgusting nauseating fan base in American history history. They deserve the misery. That comes their way. I cannot stand cowboy fans they make me sick notice. I didn't say the cowboys I think cowboy fans because they don't take a second to smell themselves. The stench that constantly becomes associated with them. They just have no shame. Dallas Cowboy fans have no shame none whatsoever and every cowboy fan out there deserves the misery and evidently will come their way. That's how I feel about it but I gotta tell you something today. I was GONNA come out here on my cowboy hat. It's GonNa have good time cigar ready my cowboy hat ready as ready to Milan and ridicule. And make all y'all mezzaroma nosy. I got allergies. I apologize to all of that but I got news for you at Chamber to because I'm not joke around about the cowboys in this particular show. We're GONNA have a real real discussion a real football discussion. We'll get into various teams. Who Don't talk about the cowboys in this sense? I can't believe y'all have doing this but somebody has to with the interest of fairness and so it's going to be me you know what that is ladies and gentlemen. I am going to stand here front and center today because this show airs Dallas too. I'm I'M GONNA stand there front and center today and I'm going to come to the defence the Defence of one Mister Jerry Jones and Steven Jones on my dad. I don't WanNa hear anybody pointing the finger at them. You want to fill that Jerry Jones. You point the finger at him for one reason why reason only and that's not firing Jason Gary. That's it then that might happen to be a big deal and if that is your argument ladies and gentlemen I have no argument against that. But don't tell me that Jerry Jones is at fault for anything else about the same. You have Ezekiel Elliott. You have that Prescott Scott Cooper you have Gallup you have Jason you have enough offensive line. And it's his fault. Let somebody has evidence that they're ready to give to me. That's Jerry Jones Jerry. Jones paid Ezekiel Elliott Ninety million dollars fifty million guarantees and proceeded to tell Jason Garrett nut to give him the football unless anybody else has any evidence that says that more response to you is shut. Shut the hell up. Unless you're willing to tell the truth about Jason Garrett head coach you got a game with Thanksgiving give it against the Buffalo. Bills Ezekiel Elliott. Runs for eight carries fifty six yards and the first quarter and you only give all five more times. The entire Game Ezekiel Elliot. What are the best backs in football? That seems equally. If enough a saquon Barkley we're we're talking about the greatness of Ezekiel Elliott. We contemplate whether or not he is the best running back in all the football. That Ezekiel Elliott. You'll give him the ball five times last night and shy town. You travel seventy replace seventy five yards opening drive us go up seventeen. Nothing will think you'll la running the football over the next three quarters. You give the ball eight times. A team with a massive offensive line built to run the football more Soda Soda protect. What are the elite running backs in the game with an painful even though he knew he was getting fat and happy and Kabul holding out for a new contract ultimately got Jerry Jones full? Come on Y'all come on. I can't believe you're doing this. You point the Finger Jerry Jones. I'm sorry what's to cross other than keeping Garrett as as coach which is a very big thing and a very big mistake on the part of Jerry Jones he said a fire Jason Garrett before order Thanksgiving Day game any dentist defied immediately after the loss of the buffalo bills on Thanksgiving night. Maybe wait until the next morning. So you don't sit up there and ruined stays given us about it. Outside of that Jason Garrett should have been fired. He's not the right guy after the job we all know it. We've been known it. As far as I'm concerned as I have said on many occasions Jason Garrett should should've been fired as late as early back two thousand and thirteen back to back to back eight eight seasons that ended with the very last game in a regular season of postseason. Berth on the line had to win vision title. Because neither you or anybody within your division was going to get. The wildcard spot wasn't good enough and what happened. What happened Jason Garrett loss to the redskins the eagles the giants giants not necessarily in that order? Because I don't remember but I do remember. He lost all three teams in the NFC East what a division crown on the line. The the very last game of the season to finish eight eight eight eight and eight all three seasons. Nobody should keep their job after that. Jason Garrett did you WANNA blame Jerry Jones. Is Stephen Jones blamed for that. Don't tell me this year. You get to look at Jerry Jones and Steph and and and Steven Jones and say you know what they are wrong. Stop it now. I'll admit that I got an affection for my Lebron for brother Jerry Jones. I've grown become very fond mayor. Personally I got admitted and I heard him on radio to stay at John if you can find that south with him going off on a radio host and lead them No. Don't play. That foolishness with him today because he was very annoyed he was very tired. i-it the whole bit. I get it Jerry. Jones has had a lot of things to question. I Have Milan Jerry Jones in the a pass. I'll admit it. y'All know that anybody hide from it and I think he's absolutely wrong foolish to keep Jason Garrett on the job for the rest of the season even if you don't have anybody else that you're confident in that could steer the ship in a right direction before the season as far as services washed anyway you got nevertheless curves. You said the message everybody else joint. Plan your seventy seven years old jerry. Tomorrow's not guaranteed Jason Jason Young Spring Chicken. No more man Thomas running out and I don't mean that a negative way you know what I'm saying. You can't take anything for granted we understand that your sit up here and act like Jason Garrett having the requisite weapons that he has available to him and the blame this on Jerry Jones. I think it's ridiculous. This crew is seriously Lia's say what you want. Because nobody's perfect and again Jason Garrett should be gone but in terms arasa Jerry. Jones has done his job. What has he done tyron? Smith get ten million. So is that why demarcus Lawrence got his money. Drives Frejus make about six million dollars. I mean just look down. Let's here Marcus. Lawrence got paid. Zeki Elliott Guy Pay Tyron on Smith Guy pays more and got paid. I got paid Jalen. Smith guy paid. Who bought away? I love that brother. He's having been having a rough go of it. The last couple of weeks wchs last couple of games. It's been a rough eight days for Taylor. Smith Twenty Buffalo Chicago last night. Okay laid vandross saying out there he's not healthy so as a result you don't have your sidekick kick what you I understand that but Jalen guy paid. He got paid this off season. Sean Lee is old and beyond his prime but can still play when healthy using Alana. Let's just look at it and call it what it is Dak Prescott. He wasn't payback Jerry Jones. The way that's looking right now. Could you blame them. I mean we go up there and we'll watch the game and we go by numbers. That's what we do because somebody needs to start talking about this. Somebody needs to wake up and understand we applaud Dak Prescott. We applaud his class. We applaud his leadership. We applaud what we have seen from him for the most part he's already through over four thousand yards twenty four touchdowns eleven interceptions not the greatest numbers in the world but those numbers but if we really really dig into it and we really really pay attention to it. Let's pay attention to it. Okay other than that over three start where the Dallas cowboys started off winning their first game. Three and I'm sorry. It was against the giants the Redskins at Miami. Let's look at these Dak.. Prescott goes against the New Orleans. Saints now drew brees. Teddy bridgewater throws less than two hundred thirty yards torture. Twenty two to be exact Lewis game. Twelve ten Dak Prescott completed seventy percent of his passes against the New York jets. They lost it gets better DAK Prescott less plus analyze this he for four hundred sixty three yards against green bay loss Dak Prescott. He threw for three hundred agenda. Ninety seven yards against Minnesota loss DAK Prescott for three hundred fifty five yards against against buffalo lost DAK Prescott threw for three hundred and thirty four yours last night against cargo loss clement weather that he was playing with and against the England we understand only two hundred twelve yards. That was a miracle it is considering those winds gusty winds the rain and everything everything else but it's still lost every playoff team that the Dallas cowboys have faced this year New Orleans Green in Bay Minnesota New England Buffalo Chicago Dallas six. Oh and six in a year where Dak Prescott saying. He deserves more money than cost them. Wins Jerry off Russell Wilson. Big Ben Rothlisberger is what he's saying about turning down offers we all know what the guaranteed dollars was but that was the impression lazy. Gentlemen this bad Dak Prescott is class. Personified never missed a game says all right. Things marches lockstep. With what what Jerry Jones wants this franchise to be what he believes in all of that is true but the fact of the matter is at the end of the day reason why you win that Dallas Cowboy uniform. It's because you're supposed to be winning and the bottom line is he ain't doing it. That wouldn't mean as much because obviously he's not the problem. He's a symptom of the problem. Probably as my man Max Kellerman would say but the bottom line is is that he's the quarterback of a team that can beat quality which which is fine if you not holding out for more money but you are sitting here figuratively. Speaking sticking out your chest is talking about what you deserve. And what you're worth. And there is no evidence to show it. Outside the numbers which can easily be misconstrued by those who are now watching the game. This is the situation of having Dak Prescott. Everybody's talking about Ezekiel Elliot. What are we going to get from? Zeki Eliot I'm not blaming Ezekiel Ezekiel Elliott Zeki Lily. Ladies and gentlemen. Because how about giving them the damn ball how about that. This is the he'll elliot. We're talking about here. This is the guy that was a workhorse for the last three years for the Dallas Cowboys. And what are we looking at. Here Ezekiel Gallia run for one hundred and eleven yards against Washington wins. Zeki Elliott got four one hundred yard games on the season season laser. Gentlemen in the last five Games Ezekiel Elliott. Whoever's about twenty four carries a year last year? A game last year. He's had twenty sixteen twenty one. Twelve and nineteen cares. Are you giving him the ball. You giving them a chance to succeed and if not why again if you could tell me that Jerry Jones is the reason why Ezekiel Elliott is not getting the bowl. That's a different story. That's not what's going on here because that was what was going on here Jerry Jones. Would it be calling Jason Garrett out the way that he is Jerry. Jones looks like a man that win against his old Komo and said okay. I'm a loosener rains and let the man do what he wants to do. Listen I didn't give him a contract extension in the off season. He's got up earned it. Let me give merchants to by stepping out of his way. That's what I think we hear from Jerry Jones. That's what I think we see for Jerry Jones and I think he's living to regret it. I know Jerry. The Jones eight perfect. I know that Jerry Jones has been away. One could argue on many occasions the ego to the insatiable need to be in front of the cameras talking to the media and the immediate aftermath of games. You could point to all of that all you want to. Here's the bottom line of coach would have this team at least three games better data than they are right now period period. You WanNa Knock Jerry Jones for something not in for the coach. He's chosen for this roster. The pieces are here. Dallas The Dallas cowboys have a team with the talent to be in the NFC championship game. What they don't have as a coach that that inspires and leads and galvanizes and motivates? He has a cheerleader. I don't mean to sound so disrespectful about Jason Garrett I truly I really don't I never met the man Nice Guy I'm sure but damn to have your job to be and your ten season one could argue. You didn't deserve the job. To begin with your took go for one way Phillips but people forget at the same time he was paying being paid. The same amount of money is way phillips because he was the golden boy the coach in waiting or Jerry. Jerry Jones handed it to you. You ended up going five and three and you're eight games. Coaching Dallas Cowboys team in back in two thousand ten after one in seven start and over the course of the next four years or so. You missed the playoffs. With eight and eight CBS's where you lost the last game but a regular season to a divisional divisional foe. They ended up winning the division title. Instead of you and you can show. John is despicable stuff going on here. It's inexcusable and I'm not going to defend it but I'll be damned if I'm not GonNa Defend Jerry Jones on this one jerry. Jones and Steven Jones are not at fault here. Not This season Jason Garrett has the Talat Jason Garrett got the offense coordinator he wanted. You're passing the football more than running it all the things you supposedly wanted this Jason Garrett and that's why he's GonNa lose his job and the bottom line what if we totally being honest. He'll lose job at the end of the season but the reality is he should lose it right now should lost last week. You WanNa Fall Jerry Jerry Jones for something faulted for that. Don't talk to me about Jerry Jones and his roster. He did a damn good job with this roster he gave Jason Garrett and his coaches stab tab the talent to get the job done and they have fallen short. And we all know where that buck stops. Stop playing around and acting. Like y'all know damn well so Jason Garrett in at eight say ESPN. It's edit eight seven to nine three seven seven six six. You're listening lab to the Stephen Smith Show. ESPN RADIO ESPN news. Your calls and more along with the Knicks coming back in a minute. You'll seem to the Stephen a Smith Show podcast. Protect your engine. This went to use pennzoil motor all made from natural gas now Kudo aw also. ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance quote by and save on Home Insurance with Progressives homequote explorer only progressive dot com bowl season is looming tune into the big twelve championship game presented by Dr Pepper Coverage Begins Eleven am eastern on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. To the phones. We go at eight did eight say. ESPN two nine. Three seven. Seven six Joe You love Stephen Evans Up. How you doing Stevens was up? I'm hundred wondering I'm looking at the NFC here. It's clearly the worst division in football. This and I'm just looking. I think the sharks have a really good shot at overtaking taking the Eagles and the cowboys here I mean the cowboys. At six and seven did you say the shocks of the eagles the the the Stanford Sharks but they're both there with the eagles so I'm just wondering like I mean the cowboys. What shocks what shocks are you talking about? This Stanford five eighty seven happen right now. There could buy ignorant and stupid. You call in show we talked about. NFL FOOTBALL NFC east. You the plan around you that ignorant Snow Stanford shocks in the NFL idiot. Let's go to Andrea Live Steve. Thanks for taking my call once again. The Dallas cowboys at a laughing stock the NFL and and this is GonNa Continue Ad Infinitum Jerry Jones is clear the reason and the fact that the matter is. He has mccloughan out there. Coaching team capable. Oh man and so that Changes you're going to get the same thing but it's not GonNa Change and here's the reason. Here's what ultimately blamed the cowboys. Failure if the DALLAS COWBOYS FAN base. And here's here's why the cowboys that are richest franchise in the world and they have been for the last four or five years to the point of fact is until this fanbase revolts. Like we do do here in New England when our teams. Don't play well and put pressure on Jerry Jones to put a man in command of this these capable of football players. They're going to have the same results. They got rid of Jimmy Johnson. There was a good article on report and conclusions about bill. Belichick owner Jerry Jones about coaching when he got booted from Cleveland said don't forget him and and you know he didn't and he didn't put Belgium in history had Jimmy Johnson remained in Dallas Dallas. Cowboys would be the New England patriots. All right have a good day. You'RE YOU'RE GONNA call up here in two thousand and nineteen still Jimmy Johns now long ago. That was Jimmy Johnson. been going since one thousand nine hundred ninety three ninety four to stop. Okay Lloyd Food Jamie you live Stephanie. What's up hey steven thank you very much for taking my call? Go ahead I know that you have been getting on the cowboys basically all show. I WanNa talk about the Chicago bears and the reason why is because I've got a lot of co workers and I have a lot of people right here in Chicago saying how the Chicago bears because they'd be the cowboys and because they have over five hundred record they're gonNa make the playoffs and let alone. I hear some people talking about how they're gonNA to make the Super Bowl. Stephen and I think it's utterly ridiculous and I just wanted to talk to you about it because I wanted to sort of use your platform to let Chicago Bears Fans Nope Nope. It's not going to happen. There is no way no chance. Your offense looks anemic as you would say it it. It worked last night against the cowboys because of the coaching puts even just like the cowboys. The Chicago bears have not be may single team team over five hundred. The only team that they beat that was at five hundred. Was the cowboys last night. Other than that all the Chicago bears losses are to below five hundred. Okay stop right there. Stop right there. You make a point but I don't know if you realize this Chicago. Bears have three games left Green Bay Kansas City Minnesota. I think it's fair to say they have to win all three games. Here's WIG stink. They're not catching green bay. Who the two and a half games behind? But Minnesota's a different story eight and four okay. And so you're talking about being like what is it game and a half two games behind Minnesota not only do they play Minnesota soda but Minnesota Plays Green Bay as well and so it is entirely plausible that Minnesota could find themselves losing to those two games Green Bay and Chicago. And who knows what could happen. I'm just I'm just saying I don't. I don't think that Chicago is going to be Green Bay and I don't see them beating Kansas City. No chance okay. Appreciate appreciate the call Matt. Thank you Chris. Obviously when they went to a stephen disrespect back like that leading the League in passing. Right and the cowboys that are hosting a home game as fourteen. I don't really understand right this style right there first of all. I wasn't disrespected point. Now fact I pointed out his numbers numbers and how every single one of those games they lost. That's what I said that's a fact you got four hundred yard games you lose. You got three hundred yard Games you lose it. I'm not blaming him. I'm not saying he's the reason that they lost. I am seeing a legitimate argument. Could be made that. Your numbers are not producing wins and for a guy that's playing for new contract. One could easily argue me a hit better off for him to sign that contract before the season began then the way that out the way he yes either top quarterback crack so what quarterback. He's not what you think you think. That Prescott top-five quarterback have you seen the teams. He's played with my man. Talk to me. Don't ask me questions my show. I asked you questions ain't the other way around my best on me go ahead. He's passing run. Got Twenty twenty four touchdowns. He's got eleven interceptions. He's Oh and six against playoff-caliber teams this year. Oh and six at his for his. But he ain't blameless. You can't completely absolve him like you're trying to do. And when you talk about quarterbacks in the League let me tell you something right now I think you can look at Patrick Mahomes I. You'll get destroying Watson either. You can look at Lamar Jackson. I think if you look at Russell Wilson I think you can look at drew. Brees you want could make the argument in about Jimmy Garoppolo. Even though I wouldn't make that argument okay. Kirk cousins is having a better year Dak Prescott. Did you know that kirk cousins Kirk cousins is having a better Prescott everyone when play on hold another. No no no no no you really gets change subject. You just saying the top quarterback with the top five I that I just I'm just saying but how could the facts don't support you. That's what I'm saying. You can't get around that and then I just wrote them Kirk cousins and you act like I'm speaking gibberish. Have you seen the kind of Kirk cousins Zev it. You just put kirk cousins top-five quarterback no no. No no no what I said is he's better than that Prescott. This shield US fall. That's what I said. You made the argument that that Prescott topped off. I said there are plenty of quarterbacks better than him right now. That's what I said you're going to say why you say kirk cousins saddened better than better defense better coach. Better running back okay. So so he's got twenty three touchdowns four interceptions okay. As complete nearly seventy percent of his passes he's got a quarterback rating of one eleven. And you're telling me to ignore all of that because he has a better coach better running back all about and by Ottaway about a defense you want me to ignore all of that that in other words you're saying I'm not saying it doesn't help but the fact that the matter is at some point in time does the Dallas cowboys have an opportunity to win the games they lost. You're right but they legally they lead the division right. They're hosting a playoff game. And they're probably GONNA play the overrated forty niners. Don't get don't don't give me what might happen or what may probably happen. We're in the here and now and over the first thirteen weeks of this season Dak Prescott has not been a top quarterback in the NFL for the duration at some point early in the season. He looked that way. That is the case. Now have a nice day coal. You lava the Stephen A.. Doing Tom Gladman. I agree with everything you're saying about the cowboys and they also need look at Kelly Moore to. I think he needs to be going to college. He's making all these outfits calls the same thing over no. But I we'll be playing playstation Campbell Affairs and seven and nine. I have never seen nothing just atrocious. You need to clean the whole house. Get them all out of there. There's no says to him Pan all mind if I got the grocers. You just don't have the shell. They need to get one in. Let's not lose. ooh Well first of all the only thing that I would say to you is that I think you are a little exaggerated you were talking about the cowboys and you have never seen anything this bad because they Plenty of seasons that the cowboys have shown you they were actually worse than they are right now. I mean. As far as I'm concerned they looked worse at eight at eight. At Times they will form twelve twenty fifteen they look bad then okay you. They were six and ten in two thousand ten with a one in seven starts. They look bad then so you had three consecutive at five and eleven seasons in two thousand two thousand one two thousand and two they were bad then there was a six and ten season in two thousand and four. They were bad then. I'm like I think engaging in a little certify perfectly there but I all them years boy Romo seems like he's doing the same thing again they got the wrong Romo where Roma was there You know this should have been taken care a long time ago. Then you say that you say that. I can't deny that that I mean Jason Garrett needed to be going. I don't have any problem with that press copying their coat. Their quarterback have no problem with Ezekiel Elliott. Being in running back have no problem with the market with being there number one wide receiver receive when he's healthy I have a problem with Jason Guaranteeing their coach Atta problem. Were killing more. Is Your first year offensive coordinator You know th that doesn't make any sense why you not given Ezekiel Elliott the ball more and Jason Garrett going on the airwaves the day in saying you know something when opportunity is there for Ezekiel Elliot to run a ball. We'll give it to them. That's just one of the most asinine comments I've ever heard from head coach coaching and elite. Running back guess what when it comes to greatness you. Just give them the Iraq. You don't sit up there and say wait for the ideal opportunities. They make ideal opportunities happen to appear because their greatness shines no matter the level of adversity adversity that they're faced against. That's what separates the great ones from the good ones the average ones etc very ignorant statement on a party Jason Garrett but I'm not surprised. Have a good day at at eight say. ESPN it's eight seven to nine. Three seven seven. 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They was up yes The cowboys will never win again. as long as Jerry Jones the GM because He's behind the saints. He's telling Jason Garrett what to call. I don't care what anybody says. Let me say this. Let me say this. You tell me how it makes sense that Jerry Jones is behind telling Jason Gary what to do yet. He's losing his mind over what Jason Garrett is doing. Does that make sense to you. Nothing that Garriga Gary Jones does. I mean you can't GM. And I mean no no no no no no. We were not going that route. 'CAUSE you're right. We know that part what I'm trying to get at is this this doesn't Jerry. Is it not plausible. That Jerry Jones is furious because he knows what Chase Garrett this doing is not necessarily what he would approve he mind at all. I mean Jerry is not letting occasion Garrett coach's coach kids came close to be okay. You're being emotional appreciable. Thank you so much see people. Don't ask him a question. If Jerry Jones is telling Jason Garrett what to do why would he call him out. He didn't call him out in the past because he's probably telling them what to do. But entering a contract year Jason Garrett I believe we've had free rein and I think Jerry Jones get blamed for what Jason Garrett is doing on his own. That's be Nino. You Love Stephen as Stephen thank you first time mm caller just wanted to say a couple of things. Merry Christmas happy New Year thing in also rotator cuff doors is getting. It's getting so long long process. I wouldn't advise anybody to have that kind of injury. That's a year long recovery period man. It's getting fifty percent better but it's got a long way to go so I'm a die. Hard Dallas Fan since nineteen seventy seven and the issues that we have is that we have a game plan. We run the first couple of series and you know it works works but then what happens is halftime comes opposing coaches to get together okay. Well we're going to do to stop them and it seems like Gary doesn't have a another guy disagree disagree with you. I disagree with you in appreciate the call. You're wrong because it doesn't take us. Oh Halftime Dallas. Why have I good driver too? And then after that is when they fall apart. It's usually in the first quarter not at halftime Robert Jelavic even a real quick. Hey Stephanie thanks for taking my call. Heavy holiday period you to quit. Look Yeah I WANNA put a lot of the blame on cowboys. Problems on both Jason Gary and Prescott. I agree with you Jerry Jones has all the right all all the right players always gonna all the right place all the pieces. But the problem is Prescott He needs to step up his game. Be More of a leader. He needs to look at. Somebody's L.. That Russell hanging out you got you. I got to interrupt because we gotta get on Outta here. But you're absolutely right about Dak Prescott. He's not deep problem. But he's a glaring symptom of the problem. 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Hour 2: Top Of The East

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Hour 2: Top Of The East

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F I R S T T A K E. Ziprecruiter dot com slash. I take ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Thanks for hanging. Everyone. Sportscenter right now on the Collins, the struggle is real in Boston, Celtics. I've lost three straight and five of the last seven games after suffering. Their worst loss of the season at the hands of their conference rivals to Toronto we go Celtics and raptors well put up less than four minutes left in the second quarter south it's down by eighteen Marcus smart. Heck and turns it over why. Leonard gets into the open court of throws down the dunk. So clearly the Celtics often struggling now in the third quarter rappers up eighteen Larry tosses, a long pass to Kawai who makes the basket Celtics looser third game embroil out fashioned years. Coach Brad Stevens. What's going on with his team? We're taking a lot of shortcuts and and not being a solid as we have been in the past. We have to be a lot more connected as a team. It's been a theme for a while. Just festively Kasmin taking shortcuts. So to you see that in how do you fix things like that? Oh up to Brett. Just not to get. Not together. You guys are playing together is that a fair diagnosis? As Mark because the pain is it your respect it. While reality is after their eighth consecutive loss at Toronto. The Celtics have fallen two games behind the Sixers for the fourth season these conference, however, ESPN's CPI still give Boston a sixty percent chance to be Philly in a potential first round matchup. Now, that's a first take. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to I tank coming to you live from of the seaport district here at pure seventeen. Brought to chase in New York City Toronto blowing out the Celtics Stephen a is this more about good Toronto or bad. Boston's about bad Boston in my estimation. That's not to take anything away from Toronto. I'll leave that to max I'm going to say this. It's about bad Celtics because it's not just about them losing. It's not just about them getting blown out in the second quarter, third six thirteen. It's also about Kyrie Irving finishing with seven points. Three attention for the game. This is the man. I mean, this is a star in this league. This is the dude that I've been on record talking about his boxoffice. You don't how much love I got Tyree urban. But think about the statements you have made think about the things that you have said about your teammates think about the things that you know, in effort to try to motivate them, or what have you know? And then just the other day you said quote now, I'm not worried about anything why. Because. I'm here. That's what he said. And then the very next time, we see you. It's this performance against the Toronto. Raptors that's unacceptable. The fact that the matter is that you've got to lead, by example. And I'm not talking about, you know, things on the side like leadership and some of those intangibles I'm talking about doing what you do best. And that's going out there and balling, you'll going up against the Toronto. Raptors you got a Leonard back into the lineup. Okay. You got him. You got Siaka who by the way, we need to pay attention to because CRM had twenty six last night. He hit four of his father, put his documents developed, a three point shot a cry out loud. I'll be getting really had that. He was getting really really scary. Not in the path that you didn't have it. Like he does now. So I'm looking at him and the rest of the crew, and I'm saying skews me if you the Boston Celtics, you gotta step up and kyri has to be that guy car. We didn't step up the rest of the team followed suit, they weren't on the same page, they've openly admitted it I think that's about bad. Celtic. It's not because they lost max. But how they lost the Celtics don't lose like that. Unless it's their for raptors can't do anything about who's on their schedule. And how they're playing all they can do is play like the machine that they are last season. I mentioned several times. It was good. Raptors last time I mentioned last season. I mentioned several times before they got Hawaiian Danny green. When it was the best player. You know? Obviously, a Kyle Lowry and damore Rosen that this team played like this perfect machine. The whole time until crunch time. Sometimes and say blow some teams that. But when it got close, suddenly they're isolating the Rosen, and Kyle Lowry a lot it didn't make sense. First of all those guys aren't good enough to win. You a championship? If they're playing hero ball at the end of game. Just keep playing like you're playing guys, but they replaced the Rosen with a better version of a two way wing in in coli who can hit those big shots and is a much better shooter. And Kyle Lowry you bring up Kyrie Irving 'cause I'm here. And then he goes out and scores seven point. It's no else. Scored seven points. Kyle Lowry with eleven assists and unselfish play. So you mentioned Siaka nailing those threes in the corner. You guys off the Benchley Jeremy Lin going here. Doc hit eighty five percent of his shots. These guys are seven from any happens. And by the way Gusau because now you can been job. Yes bench. When you're bringing Jeremy Lin and Marcus all off the bench, and they're exploiting you defensively including Kyrie's defense. It was mentioned on the broadcast. In fact. This is just a deep team as Jaylen said earlier in the show they play for each other. They play as a group as a unit that is not what we see from the Celtics. I'm not denying that the Celtics are underachieving. But this raptors team has picked up where they left off last year only now with really much more firepower. And then you get a guy like Danny green what he's scores six points last night. Does he complain all he does is play defense and wait for wait for the ball? So he can nail it three when you need them. They have a bunch of excellent players playing as a group that was excellent raptors that are starting to make me more confident again about my preseason picking that they'll wind up in the finals if not for the presence of the bucks and into Kubo in the in the conference. I would not be so worried about the raptors right now. They they have shown you what a great team can do against a bunch of great individuals. Let's take a look the Eastern Conference standings right now guys. So we've got the bucks the raptors Pacers. Sixers, and then the self pick you say that much thank screen in front of you. Who's the best team in east? Well, listen, the answer is the box and they've been the best team wire-to-wire. And and the reason I think ultimately is because mung similarly talented teams, particularly the well coach once the history of the league has told us the team with the best player is the one that's going to advance. I love quiet, Leonard. I think because of the ascension of Paul George this year and the way K D just continues to roll along. And some hiccups co I had this year. That he's his stock has fallen a little bit like, you know, from maybe as high as number two to maybe as low as number six or seven in the league. Bucks. Have if LeBron has slipped. I'm telling you right now, tenth and compo is the best player in the universe and he's surrounded by shooters. And they're all like six foot eight and six foot ten heritage and Lopez and and even a Middleton six eight and they played defense. The answer is the bucks. That's why they have the best record in the league. Basically the entire year. I'm gonna go with this Ranta raptors the box are better defensive team, thus far which is a testament to both Entercom boat and booting oser Toronto is a slightly better offense. The bucks are ranks offensively and defensively. Toronto is ranked third offense. I think they like sixteenth or seventeenth defensively. Here's why I'm going with Toronto as the better team the bucks being Toronto. The last time they faced one another. They go was January thirty first. And I watched a Greek freak have nineteen points. Dad game. Seven to thirteen shooting from the field. What have you what I watched from Toronto? Is this even though the Greek freak is a freak in and of itself, everyone they have is along now, obviously with the exception of Carr Lowrey, and Fred van Vliet as your miniature point guards who do have the ability to spread the floor because they can hit threes for you. But for the most part Toronto can match up against Milwaukee by going big because they can go big that might turn not just the Greek freak, but others in the more perimeter shooters. Now, Milwaukee Ken make the shots, but that's not their bread and butter their bread and butter is predicated on the physical dominance of the Greek freak and how everything breeds from that and feeds off that. Now, if there is one team with the personnel physically to somewhat offset that and to make him. Mm seem a bit human Toronto had us. And that's why feel Toronto is the better team of debate show. And I think that, but when you look at Toronto, they have some depth off that no joke, but I just want to because you brought it up when you look at the match ups on those two teams that's a great point both of them at the point guard position Bledsoe brogden, and Kyle Lowry or vanfleet. Those are the only guys who aren't long and even then Bledsoe's actually long fingertip to fingertip right for a guy his size. But then you have these matchups Middleton and Danny green too long like to slash threes. Really who can shoot and defend obviously, Middleton's a better playbook Kawai versus the freak. Right. Him versus Meredith tall guys who can bomb from outside and mirror, which isn't even really healthy yet Gosol and Lopez kind of the same. I mean, it's an interesting manage up in terms of size and seal, it's very interesting. It's very compelling. But remember. Even though Greek freak can have the ball. That's not his strength his bread and butter. Here's Trump a ha ha I'm talking about bringing the ball up running offense. He can do it. But that's not really his bread and butter because the ball is coming to him. Whereas 'cause you know, you got Bledsoe in there. You got a problem? Whereas with Toronto you get ball look while I agree and listen in the Greek freak remember, the Greek freak has something to prove koala already a trailer. I disagree really disagree with that Kawai can handle the one weakness in Kawais game is the passing he's not a Greg that there's no Greek freak can handle, and he can also defend and the Greek freak not only can you wrote. Not only can you switch. He can legit guard five positions from point guard to he can guard. Those let you tell me we're not going to Boston. But the free I sold a free is a brilliant passer. Hang a great passer. That's not what can wires again. I'm not challenging that. I'm saying it is improving when it counts, we know what to do. Finals MVP. Hey, it's Dan Patrick here to tell you about the Dan Patrick school. The sportscasting I've teamed up with full sail university to create a sports casting bachelor's degree you work both on and behind the cameras and you build skills for the future of sports. So you can connect with audiences. No matter where they are or how they're tuning in learn more about full sail. Universities Dan, Patrick school to sportscasting by going to full sail dot EDU slash, Dan. Patrick school. No one wants Jason v around here for the long term more than the Jones family. I mean, no one thinks more of them than we do. But at the same time. I know he uses it. Everybody's backs against all right now. We've got a really good young team. We've got higher expectations for this young team. And everybody from the Jason to staff to our players to ownership to the organization. Feels the pressure to take to take the next step. Our fans deserve that. And when Donna and Bennett and longtime and certainly feel the pressure to do it. Felt like no one wants to see my face. Now. Stephen I after entrance music that was Cowboys executive vice president Steven Jones responding to questions about the future of head coach Jason Garrett who is entering the final year of his contract. Well cain. Are you available? Molly do a have you have you? Oh, good. Thanks. Thanks for joining us. Yeah. Got a clean one thing off. Let everyone always likes seeing your thank you. And I mean, you know, saving as music. Do you agree with Steven Jones that everybody's back is against the wall right now -solutely agree with that, man. Let me say say, let's say this. Look, look, I wanna take a moment to applaud. Jerry Jones as Stephen Jones because I'm gonna tell you something Jerry Jones, by the way. Did you know that Jerry Jones birthday is the day before mine? October thirteen my birthday's October fourteen Jerry Jones is going to be seventy seven years old on October thirteenth. Lever? Absolutely. Let me be very clear Jerry Jones, you know, father time. I mean, they ain't getting a yoga. Timer that now. I mean, he recognizes that a beautiful beautiful and he wants to continue to enjoy that life. And and the bottom line is is that Jason Garrett hasn't gotten a done. Jason Garrett looks like a Dag on cheerleader. Jason Garrett has underachieved. We all know what I'll give a dam. I mean, you got people like my man, Dominique Foxworth my brother that does a great job. He picks that Jason Garrett is a good coach. All I'm saying is where the hell of the evidence. I don't see it. He's an average coach has at best people who have been better for the Dallas Cowboys have been held accountable and been made to suffer more for their transgressions their ineptitude their lack of production. But somehow some way Jay Garrick continued to laugh so same half those David Jones who also lack also live acting like him alive. That man Stephen Jones is basically speaking on behalf of his father his. Debt, basically saying this is me if we go hold his players accountable. It we go hold off pensive line coaches accountable. It we go hold defensive coordinators accountable. We're gonna hold secondary. Coach is accountable. What the helps in we hold the head coach accountable. I think that Jerry Jones and statement Joe's my buddies, not think that making the right decision about making shorter lead. Jason garrett. No, it's time to put up what setup. This is. Excellent. You this will be your last chance at the, Dan. That's why I plot their decision. That's why the question is. Do you agree? Steven with Steven Jones that everybody's back against all the answers. Nope. There's one guy's back against the wall. And that's Jason Garrett. The idea that that Jerry Jones needs his ego assuaged a catered to. There are lots of guys who can do that not just chasing Garrett and their guys coach as well as Jason Garrett who can who can appeal to Jerry Jones's ego without stepping on it when they. Traded for they had their star running back the offensive line. Now, they got a defense. Many trade it for the star wide out to give up a first round pick. And now they had everything and everyone said well look at this Dak Prescott here. It is Dak let's see if you can be the franchise quarterback. I thought at the time I wasn't alone before you move on from your franchise quarterback that you've invested so heavily in and it was shown under pressure. He can do things. He solid normally. And then better than that. When you need them to be before you move on from that guy. You will move on from the coach more than anything. I thought the trade put Jason Garrett on the hot seat. I think that they have decided that that Chris Prescott is a franchise quarterback. They're going to give him every opportunity to be. I don't think everyone's back is up against the wall. I think one man back is up against the wall. And that's Jason Garrett. Colorado. I disagree with Stephen Jones statement that everybody's back against the wall. Nope. One man's back is against the wall. You know, when it comes to Jason Garrett a lot of people say they like to say that he's the perfect man for the job partially because he can deal with the Joneses. As you pointed out maximum, I don't think the reason he stuck around for what is it? Now nine years is because he's a yes man for the Joneses. I truly do not believe that what I think is they have been dedicated to a laudable idea. The idea that you need to invest in a process, let something play out against reputation against cliche. They haven't been quick to pull the the firing. They've been quick on the trigger finger. They have let Jason GARRETT'S process play out. And it has now played out. His back is against the wall. The Cowboys have a young core. A quarterback a running back offense of line. Now, a number one wide receiver and talent all across the defense, including two studs at linebacker that can carry them well into the future. That course back is not against the wall. There window will be for several years. Jason. Garrett's window is now in this one year. And let me tell you something, you know, I've been on this show twice today. Truth matters, I've been on the show for a couple years now. And I think I've taken more than my fair share of Gulf. I think that the way this is gone down is say, you don't quite have it yet, Steven you're close if you don't know a Guthrie is. But you're not there yet era. I don't believe in karma. But maybe I believe in balance, you know, not unlike Thanos, you know. I've been dealing with way more than I deserve. And I can feel the tide coming. You've had your day. You can say, you know, is true very put upon it's a tough life. You know, what can go wrong? Getting james. You watch this young core you watch because it's coming. I'm going to be the one. Hopefully, if you keep invited me on this set who gets my day, very soon that John is about to turn. Days is coming to. Cain. Mr. k may I respond may I respond let let me be very very clear. Will you look at the Dallas Cowboys. Okay. And you wanna sit up there saying just one man that's on the hot seat that would be Jason Garrett. Can you foresee any successor Jason Garrett coming in and embracing the rest of the coaching staff? That's what the Dallas Cowboys. 'cause I imagined in any coach who takes over the job is going to one his own people with him. Okay. He might have to answer. It be compelled to answer the Jerry Jones and Steven Jones, obviously Hong, but I think he's gonna want his own people. So may say GARRETT'S go may I respond as it. They're going to be a bunch of people that's going with them. Let's let's let's just play out a hypothetical if we can all right. Okay. Let's say that a year from now Lincoln Riley turns Jalen hurts into yet another Heisman candidate at the university of Oklahoma. He finally sees it. There's an UN. There is a blank cheque available for him. Not only in the NFL. But just a firm I'll south in Dallas where he hasn't as you have pointed out had success bring a defense along. With his offensive genius rally. Takes the job in Dallas rehabilitates that Prescott in by the way realizes I got a stud over here on the other side and Chris Rashard who can coordinate my defense. Now, I understand maybe chard says, you know, I'm not I'm not going to do this for a new guy you pass over me. But yeah, there's a hypothetical where you get a new coach who doesn't need to clean house at least on the defensive side of the ball with the coaching staff. Lincoln Riley move is the most obvious. I can't believe you were who you were mentioning Sean Payton the other day. We'll eatings wanna Super Bowl you use your imagination. Will. I'm surprised come on. Of course, Lincoln Riley would be the answer for the Cowboys. It would he is the hottest commodity. The Cowboys are the biggest brand in the sport. They need a new coach the whole league is adopting Lincoln Riley philosophy. The Cowboys are lagging a little behind actually in that department. It only makes all the sense in the world, and is such a Jerry Jones move. I'm just surprised that hasn't already happened. Yeah. But my. My response to you when we had this conversation, and I. I hear I'm not, greedy. I'll take either one, Sean Payton or Lincoln Riley. I think there are Super Bowls on the other side of that rainbow. Either way the only thing the Cowboys need to bring balance back to this this unbalanced conversation we've had for a couple of years is a new coach. And all I'm saying is if the head coach is gone some of the people are going to follow. And I think you gotta take that into consideration, which I'm quite sure that Steven Jones and Jerry Jones are doing which is why they're bit reluctant to get rid. Jason. Why did from the accent? That's all I'm saying still do because I've been gone to. But can I just I'm gonna my parting words a compliment as not bad, Stephen a? It's not. Packers president Mark Murphy talked about it's quarterback Aaron Rodgers and new coach Matt will floor saying about Rogers. He has to embrace it. And I think he is I hope he adopts. Well, I'm excited. I know he's excited. I've had some discussions with them. Obviously regarding his new coach axe. Do you have any issues with Murphy's comments saying that he needs to embrace it and putting it on Erin? Yes. I do because the Packers have surrounded Aaron Rodgers look the reason they're among Super Bowl favorites. Every year is not because of the surrounding talent. They're not the worst. They're not the best. They're kind of middle of the package. Yeah. Package talent in the NFL with Aaron Rodgers. So they're one of the usually half dozen people say they want us because of Aaron Rogers. So it's not as though the organization has put him in the best position to win. Then they give coach with an archaic offenses, I with archaic offensive ideas. Given the new the state of the new NFL spread offenses and everything and Arron Rogers who's a very bright guy. Sees this stuff ain't gonna work. So he sometimes makes it up as he goes along audibles out of things and all that and doesn't seem like he's on the same page with a system that ain't gonna work. And these comments make it sound. As though the real issue was Aaron Rodgers tries to take things into his own hands. When clearly that was the result of the fact that he's trying to win. I think the kind of the way you treat your all universe quarterback in the press, especially given a new start as well. You know, we got him a new guy. Let's see if this guy is good. That's not the way to go. The way to go is we have a we have one of the all-time great talents under center. He's already a Super Bowl champ. We think we've made changes that will make our team veteran. We expect our quarterback to help get us there. Those are the kind of comments you make if you're the president of the Packers. Well, I have an issue for different reasons. Number one, it's ama- rods that needs to to to to adjust. That's what he needs to do the fluid. The. The. So so do do some dude whose name sounds like he's from France coming over to the NFL. All right. Okay. I'm just saying his name. I'm just making fun of. But I'm quite sure that he had some credential Stephen his freedom fringing the flu. Okay. Want to be? So Aaron Rodgers this Batman who is arguably the greatest talent we've ever seen at the quarterback position whose career record is one hundred fifty seven and one as a starting quarterback who went to the playoffs. Eight straight Tom despite the archaic coaching that he was receiving for the most part for Mike McCarthy that Iraq's that Aaron Rodgers who kid throw in a pocket throw outside of his right? Who could throw a football better than almost anybody? We've ever seen that doom. Who's carried this franchise on his back is supposed to adjust to somebody that Mark Murphy decided was the main to lead the Green Bay Packers into the future. This is about Murphy. This is about the organization does about their lack of appreciation that lack of respect for it comes to Arron Rogers, right? This is about the willingness to embolden themselves to show that who's boss has. Us and Europe player. Just shut up go out there and play. In other words to sort of deflate beforehand. Any kind of momentum Arron Rogers may build into in case he feels to articulate himself. I know it's worse than worse than that. Because really what they're saying. What the implication is the reason we haven't been more successful right is because our quarterback will follow the game. How about that? But here's the thing. Here's the reality. Why you still shouldn't have an issue with it? Despite everything they're not just said, here's why you shouldn't have an issue with it. Because the reality is is that that's the situation that Aaron Rodgers is in and for there to be any hope whatsoever at success. If from an organizational perspective from the top on down, the belief is that you are all tra- talented. You are great. And we paid you for it. But you have been a problem for us in terms of being that divider that we don't mean you have to monitor that if your Amer rod. Is because clearly what they're saying is is not just about the pressure that clearly look in the point the blame in his direction as opposed to themselves or anybody else. And that's the problem that he has. So he has to be cognizant of it. That's why I don't have an issue with it. Because it's the reality of Arabs situation's just such a bad way to begin IRA. You know, the idea that okay, Erin, the coach was the problem. Now, we got a new coach if there's still a problem, then we've isolated variable here, right? Like, it's you really that's what you wanna do to the guy who's been keeping your head above water for the last decade and has delivered. You a Super Bowl come on? He's trying to send a message that he's the one that's in charge. Not the quarterback. I don't know. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting doll living most of her life in the dark inside the other nesting dolls. He has plenty of time to think if we could sadly, she has no brain, however when in a most nesting doll. Here's the gyco. Not only saves people money, but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to gyco is a no brainer pity INA. Most nesting Dollond her lot in life. Con kaffir. Knicks name has been mentioned in relation to both of the new professional football leagues. According to sporting news, XFL executives have discussed him joining their league, and he has requested at least twenty million dollars capital also requested twenty million to join the alliance of American football. According to the Associated Press, the af is giving its players, regardless of position a three year non guaranteed contract with two hundred fifty thousand. Now, the salaries are said to be in line with the XFL which is said it's gonna pay its players seventy five thousand per season. So seventy five thousand twenty million max, if this is true, what is the twenty million dollar contract demands say about Colin I think some people take that to mean that he doesn't wanna play football anymore. I don't think that at all. It doesn't seem that way to me at all. It seems to me that he knows his value. Look the af did some numbers in their debut Trent Bridge. Woodson. Now, he's doing a little something there. They got some ex- NFL players there. There's an appetite for football. It may not be good for the NFL in the long run. Right because it could water down demand by increasing supply. But there is enough of an appetite for football that that thing could work if Collin capper Nick plays for them. You think people will watch? Molly, would you watch. Yeah. Yeah. People are going to watch that. So he understands he's gonna make hundreds of millions of dollars for the week. He wants he knows his value. What is backup quarterback make because that's what it would be in the NFL. Right. Right. But he that's that's his market value. If there's only an NFL in that they won't give him a job, but his value if their rival leagues trying to get attention is sky high and he understands that I think that is insane. I don't believe that for one second. I think that people were clamor to watch and support Colin cabinet week want a week too. But over the course of a season. No, he ain't going gone that much. I think we're getting a bit beside short. How can you be that? What if he's the MVP the league and looking people sitting they would want to take their kids out to see Colin Kapp by Collins, especially galling. No, no, no, no. Well, I first of all ball against who. How many times I bring up competition? Bolinger get to now if you were balding in the NFL that would be different. But don't tell me that you know, the af f. The af or whatever league you want to point to hear plan in the NFL. But people don't clam watch. And we remember the I think if Collin cabinet showed up anywhere. The first time everyone were clam at a watch him. But that's about five touchdowns a game is that's the point against. These are exit the NFL players, and they're good enough to make it look like a foot or. He would shut don't don't talk like no one comprehend your point. We get it. But you sound like you could be out there playing against Golic cabinet and people will watch. No, they what it because you can't play football. And neither. Angel telling that game tied NBA ratings excuse me that af game tied. Time out time out a game. I specifically saying they can't. Civically said the first go round you would our climate watching. Then after that do you back into the care back in the day. When when a major league baseball player was getting older, but he could still hit, but maybe not played defense or he wasn't quite good enough to hit major pitching anymore. I think it was Bob Horner one of those slug. Okay. Go over to Japan and become a big star because they were playing baseball at a high level, but not high enough that this guy couldn't shy. He was a big air in Japan. Thank you. I'm saying that there was that the because it's a high enough level to to the naked eye. It looks like good level football. If he could shine in the af he would do a big rating team. What about Tintin going up against Colin capper neck? You're gonna watch more than a gate. You're not listening. Molly. You're really not listen, you're really not listening to me. Anybody will watch Colin cabinet for a game to see. But once you see then it's not about that anymore. If the decline nor is gone after that think that any of the decline in the ratings 'cause people were very quick to say, oh, the NFL ratings are down, and it's because of the protests people are pronouncing the hall, so there was proven false. Do you think although gore that ran in the media for like a year, everyone assumed it was true because he NFL was telling us, right? How does what tell another that? They will lose it Monday. Now, let me ask you something. Do you think there's anything to the idea that maybe the ratings were down for the Super Bowl because there's a protest kind of vote against the exclusion of Colin Kaepernick? Do you believe there are people who support capture Nick, and who are no longer watching? Do you believe that they would watch the AFL? I believe I believe there are millions of people who support Colin cabinet, and there are millions of people who would stand up for him. And if he showed up at any league, there would be millions of people who would watch him that gay people people because ultimately it's the competition if he's balling against dude that can't barely run with max now. Care some guys whose talent like if capper Nick's going. Well, it's going to look spectacular. He has a big arm and he can run. So if he's looking spectacular he's putting on a show against good. But not great opposition. But good enough to make it look like a professional football game. And you get the protest vote now following cabinet this way, what are the margins? Stephen how many extra people do you need to watch the league to get a bump in the ratings Cup one hundred thousand nationwide. All I'm saying to you is that if you're talking about something like that a couple of hundred thousand four few weeks. Okay, fine. But at the end of the day if it ain't the National Football League. And it's a league that's viewed as significantly inferior undiminished product per se compared to what you're accustomed to watch it from September through January. There is to do Brooklyn. As a result colleague does not deserve twenty million dollars that you were running. The af you own the league. Oh, I give them. Hell, no. I wanna give them. The twenty and then I lived to the lake the, okay, okay. That's fine. Because if you're telling me that I can make that up for a couple of weeks eyeballs, that's different. But I'm telling you how Donald couple of weeks. Hey happening. If you're not if you tell me a couple of weeks they handle what's on the line for the F if they get a real foothold and get off season football as a major thing on an ongoing basis to many billions of dollars. Okay. Okay. Okay. Our life is our show LeBron down. Why like no seriously? I mean, he's getting older he has to do too much for them to win. I mean, just looking he puts out a triple double. And they can't win. I mean, just imagine if he really goes out, and it really exerts himself and has to go toward this season. Now, I mean, this was a wash coming into it. They weren't contending. And when you're LeBron James on they weren't considering from the jump. They weren't contending from the jump on the jump. I've never done this before. 'cause I got enough jobs. Okay. I got enough chops. And I'm a very busy, man. And I love Rachel Nichols. And adopted she does on the jump. I don't and I'm in LA all the time debit, they need to bring me on the blasphemy. I it was Scotty Pippin at t MAC talking about sitting Zay on down to quit on your team. Just just quit now pull here. Get paid. See twenty gauge left. All right. Still in the hunt for playoff spot pull up and say all the fable. Brought up. Matt Pippen, Paul prisoner. But love the truth the truth, Sal, MAC, you free. That's about to be Paul pants, and you go on to jump and you sit up there and say set down look Bron James but playing the world supposedly the world down. Sitter Paul Peirce. That's right. Oh my God. I mean, listen, I got I got to show. The blasphemy only rates of nickel seems to not be blasphemous. Everybody else that shows up on her show up pass to be blasphemous takes mixed sets. That's right. Well, there's no such thing as blasphemy and sports Steven A because you're assuming that there is some kind of holy truth that no one can speak against even if the evidence points that way, sit down Paul Pierce is Paul Pierce is simply reflecting this truth. The truth is reflecting this truth, the thirty five mil LeBron me that for the Lakers. Like by the fourth week of the season is not about he hasn't earned his money. It's not about this year winning a championship. They were never going to contend for a championship this year there. Why plan but what about the next three years? That's what he's saying. I saw Kobe Bryant when they got white Howard and Pagosov Steve Nash and Mike, Dan, Tony I saw Kobe Bryant decided to certain point. We're not missing the playoffs and we'll team to the playoffs. And he ended his career in the process. Now, I'm not saying Paul Pierce is in Celtic AA. Agent. He clearly is however, so so yes, there's some hater aid that he is sipping on right there. Love. However, however, what he's saying in what he's saying Jalen there is some wisdom. I can't wait to get the countdown on Friday to say this to him personally. But I agree with you for all of the reasons you say, and I'm gonna take it in a different direction. We entered into a unique space in sports where where people feel like your team isn't the favorite to win the championship. You should just quit knock play cue. We don't appreciate the journey anymore. Nobody cares about the regular season wins the division on wins. The congress. Chips. Do you got since we can't win we go shut it down. It's still a chance that they can get the ace mile only three games out of the ace. Why then we say Brian is often. The bronze as is very in right now. You may. Tell me the bronze age the best way that were this already miss on game. Jalen already ready that Jaylen you are making valuable point. I believe you're making a valuable point in this case, I think it's misplaced. And I'll tell you why LeBron James even if they make it to the playoffs. They're not going anywhere this year. But given the number of miles on his knees on his legs. Right. And the fact that he has an injury he's coming off Greenwich and you having for three more years, and I'm taking a chance to contend to maybe win a championship over the next three hundred. Why would you risk that over probably not making the playoffs house like this number one you want LeBron to play? So that the guys you tried to trade this year you heightened their value about putting them on a playoff stage. Okay. Number one. That's that's a reason. Right. Number two. Lebron James the leader. And you're the best player you have to be that on the floor. Not in the bore rule. Keaton interlock rule, you gotta show up and play the act hangman's, regardless of the scenario. And lastly. Well, we talk about LeBron having to do too much average a triple double that what he's up. All right. That's what is ridiculous. It's a United stand on principle. And then maybe you don't have LeBron for the next three weeks. I don't know what. Holly's snapped. When he played so many minutes to play them into the playoffs or not we worried about that killing Snape right now. And the next time I'm in LA. The jump had the camera walk outside of dealt with a picket. It's gonna picket side up people Paul parents it, Matt. For the record. I don't think they should shut them down. And I think. You say I'm just saying what he's saying is not. So we'll lay saving that you're gonna like this one so say, for example, the Lakers going wrench streak and they end up falling at the six or the sentence spot. That's right. 'cause they only like three and a half. That's right. We have kids out. So you mean to tell me is not worth LeBron James team making the play off the play against the no. I think they're going to do that. And they might either would apply off series. All right. So you don't think they said that I think Paul Pierce has a point eight a point. But you gotta be. Label. So I don't think they should.

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The Ocho: Depth at defensive tackle?

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You ever just have a sandwich. Just sandwich nothing fancy sandwich ships in man it just hit hard and so I hope your your latest meal was delectable anywhere. So I'm recording this full disclosure on Monday at about five thirty PM central time, and there is no Earl Thomas News. Thomas News as it relates to the Dallas cowboys. Earl Thomas News really in general. We have lost the ability with the new head coach in place to be able to accurately predict what the Dallas cowboys are going to do. But I think we've always been able to predict a lot of things when it comes to the NFL, and I thought fo show by now that. Would have a new home I? Mean you consider that we are now Fourteen days away or six days excuse me away from the season opener between the candidates, Houston Houston Texans, and so time is of the essence especially when you factor in a covert protocols learning new playbook, a new scheme potentially wherever orlands up so. As of the time of this recording, there is no news obviously if there. Is a situation where there is news. Especially, if it is that kind of news, we will, of course, run and have emergency episode of the show as we always do. But for now, no Earl Thomas News to discuss although. We do have what Steven Jones said to disguise because anytime anybody associated with the Dallas Cowboys Brain Trust says anything it is of note, and we always by the way we'll have you covered it blog dot com your home for the latest and greatest in the world of America's team in right here on the block on the voice podcast. We no big deal to episodes every single day all the time make sure. You. Are covered from head to toe offense Dallas cowboys. Later on today, we will have a brand new episode of the seven five zero with myself in two time. Superbowl champion Tony Casillas. That's right. We bring you some rings here on the beat podcast but anyway, Steven Jones was on one zero, five, three the fan on Monday, and talked about a variety of things and the first thing I think we should hit on. What. He did not talk about Earl Thomas Mackenzie masterpiece and. He was asked you know Hey are there any defensive players out there? That you might have an interest in and Stephen, of, of course, kept it close to the vest? Well, let's just here with Steven Jones had to say on Monday on three the fan. Or are there any other exciting available defensive players that we might be able to pick up on the horizon? We'll just as we didn't talk about ever since until it was done that we found that works much better for us. So as I said, we're in it three, hundred, sixty, five days a year, and we're always looking to get better but it. Obviously, he's not very productive for us to talk about anything You know that we might be in the works on because it can only work against you. I want to be very clear here. Steven Jones is the MVP. Of The Dallas Cowboys The Dallas Cowboys and he's out here saying you know talking about it it's just a bad idea. We shouldn't be talking about this because doing that can really only hurt us. Hey. Wow. I think that's true. I think that is a good philosophy to have. It is true that we were all very surprised by the Everson Griffen thing which goes back to the point of we are no longer able to predict how the Dallas cowboys are going to operate. and. Kinda give Stephen Credit. And I gotTa give the Cowboys Credit for recognizing this truth that a lot of have known for a long time. It goes against the cowboy way in every way to to to really. I. Mean. There's keeping your cards close to the vest is one thing. But it's another thing to like build a fort around your cards. And that's I mean, maybe all do dramatic. What it does kind of feel like the Dallas cowboys are being a lot more than they have in years past which I think ultimately while we're all anxious to know what the cowboys are thinking. This is the way to Rome and that's a good thing. I think it is worth mentioning though by the way, the in his Monday morning press conference Michael McCarthy did note that he had spoken with will mcclay about the prospect of rural Thomas. So that is cool. That is interesting. We will see what happens there. Obviously, the cowboys did at Everson Griffen along the defensive line they lost Joe McCloy we've been there. We've discussed that I do WanNa talk about the defensive tackle depth. Especially because. There is some. Optimism in the air concerning Tristan Hill and I say that with all due respect because I want to be a great football player, I think you want to be a great football player. Obviously, a lot of people have a lot of questions about his game in his rookie season, etc.. He had his meeting with the media last week that. was very short and very different from a lot of players. But there is some hype building around Jefferson Hill, who by the way? I don't know if we covered this on the show did switch from. Jersey. Number Ninety seven gave it. Everson. Griffen and now wears number seventy two. Shot Travis Frederick. But. Just didn't hill obviously if if he could take the next step that would go a long way mitigating the loss of jail McCoy. And they're starting to be some some some hubs in pub-. John showed gross talking boys with Kelsey Charles yesterday and. Said Hey Tristan you know things are or okay you know and I think there's reason to believe and if you on the fence if you don't know how to feel about Chris. Sale, you listen to Stephen Jones game because Steven, Jones was asked later on in that same of you on the fan. About. About WHO's exciting? Who's looking good right now, and what do you know just an hill one of the answers I wanNA five, three, the fan. You know I know a lot of people. A lot of cowboys fans are concerned about the defense. Are there any other players at least early on you've been like, whoo look at him well, I put Lleyton in that same deal with Jalen. Obviously they had that. Kind of if you would the sophomore didn't quite play as well as they did the year before. But they've both come back and really making plays in have us really fired up both Layton and. And then you know the other one W- that is really which we need more than ever now but he's certainly answered the bell is Tristan. Hill has really shown up in practice and consistent and just doing a great job for. So you know sometimes it's just hard on rookies in the you know what they have to go through to get on the field summer summer are able to get it done and digested and. Do it but you know rod can give him some tough love and sometimes some players don't respond as well to the tough love I. Know He was in active some and you know was limited on on his playtime when he was active but boy, he has really come along and certainly with Gerald going down has really stepped into that role and so far has just been put one one really good practice after the other. The last few days. We've mentioned. Here on the OCHO and on the seven five. Oh. Tony I about the character attitude issues or concerns that Tristan Hill has had. To. This point is NFL career and Kinda here you could kind of hear Stephen Sort of touch on that talking about the the tough love that Rodman Elliot's showed him and how some players responded and some don't and. I think it goes saying we all hope that that is in the rear view mirror for Tristan. But Stephen is hyped Intel. Maybe he got you hyped I. Don't know but. I think you know you look at the cowboys defensive tackles and we know that they're going to carry for. Back when we did our roster predictions across Oliver shows on the network Tony and I kept four. Obviously we kept Joe McCoy no longer around the team that is kind of a very unique situation but we kept Joe. McCoy kept Ontario kept Neville Gallimore and I kept Hurston Hill I argued for that over towards my logic, my line of rationale, and again, everything that we have known sort of our logic line of rationale with regards to the cowboys very much different because things are not as predictable as they used to be as we've talked about but. My logic was that well, the cowboys aren't going to get rid of a player who's on the second year of a four year rookie contract when there's so much potential there the cheap labor, the youth of it all is going to win out over somebody like, Antoine, Woods Antoine Woods is obviously a player who has had some successes for the cowboys since joining the team a couple years ago and your four defensive tackles and we'll kind of expand on this in a second. Are Obviously now going to be done -Tario Antoine Woods Tristen, inhale, and Never Gilmore and anti-noise. Last sound clip I wanNA play was asked on Monday if he thinks he's overlooked and this is something that a lot of people argue a lot of people believe that he is underrated overlooked whatever you wanNA. College. I did not overlook him when we put together fifty three man roster I simply looked finances of it aren't that the cowboys would kind of lean that direction obviously, the factors are different but. I think he's overlooked. Here is what he has to stay on the subject courtesy of the Dallas Cowboys Youtube Channel. Absolutely. You know I'm very, very proud for play. And you know I'm a real honest with myself and I absolutely think overlooked a lot. Maybe it's because how came in NFL undrafted maybe because been practice cough a few years may because I had to work hard and earned everything from when I first got here from four string. So definitely, I like overload but. Not Use it as motivation and just keep motivating myself to actually like the fact that I'm look because it's just it feels a fire sign me and it pisses me off the keep going hard. You know keep proving everybody wrong and I see out there too. So yeah, keep no doubt. So, Antoine Woods feels overlooked and that's a fair argument certainly, and he's certainly going to have a prominent role on Dallas cowboys. Especially when you consider what they're working with the defensive tackle although. We're hearing so many different things coming out of the star and coming at a couch practices because look we know the four names tackle. Dante Poe Anton Woods Tristen Hill. Neville Gallimore and I WANNA talk about gallon morning second. I do think that if those were the names I, think the cowboys would be fine. However, we have heard that the cow was a really you know we we use the term five a lot on offense of line. It really does feel like the cowboys are going to use their best for our best three whatever you WANNA, call it on defense we've heard about. Alden Smith being used at nose tackle. We've heard about Everson. Griffen. Being used inside obviously we know the tyrone it has been used there before so I think that the the term or the name or the description or the Acronym associated with. Defensive. Tackle. Where the cowboys players on the depth chart is not going to be probably this ridge thing where your defensive tackle. So you're the only that play that position, etc. The cowboys are clearly going to use multiple looks, multiple fronts, and ultimately that's the most important thing. But they are true defensive tackles if you want to call it that I do think are okay and I do think are something that they can work. With but the fact that they are, I don't know if they feel like they have to adjust for that or if they just want to live and operate this way overall I hope that that's the case. But I, think they're cowboys defensive line is going to be fine but I think the state of the defensive line is too so interesting and how it associates what what's happening in the middle what's going on there It, it is really fascinating. The last thing I do want to touch on I mentioned gala i. saw a tweet chat to our friend finder show Marcus Mosier from the lockdown cowboys podcasts. Here the tweet there made a lot of sense really. We've heard so much about CD LAN- we've heard so much about trayvon digs. We're starting to hear about Bradley and I talking about the defensive line right and we've heard about plays they're making I think you the Prominent educated intelligent hopefully well, fed has mentioned listener you off the top of your head. You can think of a tweet or a clipper, a photo or a video or something you have seen a CD lamb bright. Okay. Got It. You can also think of the same thing when it comes to Trayvon Dick's right. Okay. Maybe you can't think of a video or a photo, but you can definitely think of a tweet you've seen that's hyping Bradley right okay. What have you seen have never more right I mean and to be clear training camp is very different. All right. It's not the same thing. So not every rep is public information etc. I think we'll. We'll learn a lot from the blue and white scrimmage and hopefully but. That qualifier is necessary. It's possible that things are happening and there's just so much happening. So much information to get out. It's just slipping through the cracks that is possible but we are not hearing things about Neville Gallimore and I'm not saying that means it's terrible and whatever. But. I thought that was a great tweet for Marcus and it's a great point to note that other things were coming up over that are instead of that or maybe in place of that who knows but just just file it away just file it away as we sit here now, what twenty six days away from the season opener so We will have some good tax but hey, we're GONNA have a brand new seven five. Oh, later on today myself and Tony Casillas GonNA talkative probably chats some defensive line and all that jazz and we will, of course, have lots of shows available for you all week long here on the blog the boys. Network makes you subscribe look we give you two episodes every day we know that all you want to talk about is the Dallas Cowboys. So we make sure that you have an avenue to do that. 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Hour 1: Kobe & Gianna Memorial

First Take

31:21 min | 8 months ago

Hour 1: Kobe & Gianna Memorial

"What's going on? I'm Mulcair rose and you're listening to the first take podcast. Let's talk about Daniel so a year ago. He resolved to stop putting off what he wanted to do. Get into information. Technology Daniel enrolled in my computer career and is now already a few months into his. It career make twenty twenty your year. There's millions of unfilled cybersecurity position the US right now in my computer career is training people to help fill them no it experience or education. No problem it's not rocket science. It's my computer career. Go to my computer career dot. Edu and take the free evaluation. Today you could start your new life as an IT PRO in months. Not Years attend classes on campus or live online just twice a week to get well. You'll need to start your new career more than just a school. My computer career helps you get into the industry by working with hundreds of employers that hire our students Mike Computer career is nationally. Accredited and financial aid is available for those who qualify including the GI. Bill classes. Start soon so make New Year new career your resolution and take the free career evaluation today at my computer career dot. Edu Good morning and welcome into. I take molly cameras back here in New York City Max and Steven A. R. in La. Good morning guys. Yesterday was a beautiful ceremony filled with laughter and tears from Staple Center the House that Koby Bill as thousands gathered to celebrate the life of Kobe. Bryant you just heard his wife Vanessa. Speaking through tears sharing memories of her late husband and thirteen year old daughter as you just heard her saying God knew. They couldn't be on this earth without each other. He had to bring them home to heaven together. Stephen Those comments her poise her grace. And how she said. We're still the best team you've got gee-gee I've got three other girls. That's what really stood out to me. Amongst all the powerful words we heard what stood out most to you from the memorial just period regardless of the loss that so many have suffered Whether it's Michael Jordan the shack its former teammates his contemporaries in the NBA. It's those of us who've covered the NBA knew him for so long Nothing compares to the loss that she has suffered along with her children Three little girls no longer have their father or their sister. She as his wonderful wife no longer has a husband nor her daughter and the loss that she has suffered it can't be measured it's just incredibly heart wrenching. And there is no other way to slice that. I don't know how on earth she gumption up the strength to step on that stage in front of twenty thousand people and speak eloquently as beautifully about Kobe Bryant and about their daughter. Gee The way she did. It was absolutely phenomenal. It really really highlighted for me. Why it was so easy for him to be a this girl dad per se because when you have a wife like that who has stood by him through thick and thin who has been his rock his foundation She was everything to him and he religiously said to anybody who he knew well enough to say to that She was far more than he deserved in his eyes because she was phenomenal and she was the closest thing to perfection that he had ever known until his daughters were born. And so when you know that about him and to know how he felt about her and the note it you know you don't hear her speaking you don't hear her talking very much. What have you so you didn't know what you were going to get when she said when she stepped up on that stage for her to express herself in the fashion as she did was absolutely phenomenal. And I think that you know it. It puts a bit touched. Everybody's heart but it also put a lot of people at ease to some degree because even though you find yourself morning for her as well you also found just self a bit worried about her because this so much to consider because of her devastating loss addition shows you and puts strength on display and even though anybody associated with the NBA Community and beyond is going to be there for her and her family in any way that any of us can in the end. You sort of get the sense that this woman is so incredibly strong That she's going to be okay. And then Jordan goes up there and he tells his story and he's funny even though the tears they're chat with the me is. There's no I in team. But there is an emmy and that was hilarious and Geno Auriemma talking about how he knew the that. Kobe was not coaching his daughter because she was openness. She passed the ball. There was a lot of brevity that was brought to the situation. And what have you and so it was incredibly incredibly touching to say the least and that's what you walked away from. Just feeling the whole. Just an amalgamation of emotions Max Vanessa boss. I mean she's a champ and especially there's no other way to say it. Father is gone then. She has more to do even more to do and she you could see her kind of growing. I don't presume to know what she's like before this. But you could see someone stepping up and and being very strong at a time where family obviously needs. It was very impressive and moving. Obviously Molly. I'm with you when she said we're still the best team. It was like a very gather since and I don't WanNa cut you off but they've been together since she was seventeen and a half. Her entire adult life is with Kobe. Yup I that was very powerful and the I think the the thing that got me was the describing of the bedtime routine and how he would help. Put the kids to bed. Because if you're a parent what you know is the days are long but the years fly by as my mother says and and those that bedtime routine is the way she described it. What Kobe did and I have three daughters. I know what that's about and getting those kind of details was it was very moving Jordan of course with the crying me and and and there was something about that. Kobe aimed for Jordan. He aimed to be the greatest of all time and and when the guy who he aimed at is they're saying hey little you know he's my little brother it it it's not. Kobe does didn't need validation after twenty years in the NBA is one of the greatest players of all time but Jordan personal relationship. Aside I think and that was very strong understood what Kobe represented and he felt the same way. That was really nice to see and shack. Steven a. The line that shack had about about the M E. That was a good one. The one that's going to get lost that I loved was the end of that story when he's telling Rick and everyone he's like Just rebound the ball. He ain't he ain't gonNA pass passing. I mean all those those descriptions of Kobe by the people who knew him and loved him and worked with him fleshed out this kind of three dimensional portrait that you had a sense from Kobe already but getting those details from those from those around him was something and but like like both of you cannot come away from that not thinking about Vanessa. What a powerful moment. That was in woman she is. That was very impressive. You know it was very very difficult very difficult day of those who knew him. And what have you in? The tribute was sensational the Lakers Organization the NBA. The NBA Community showed up and showed out In full force There's no question about that But I also wanted to take a moment to say this because I think is very important. Nobody's brought this up For days if not weeks I brought it up once on I take. I'm going to bring it up again. Regardless of what scuff has been in the news? And all of this other stuff. We need to understand that Kobe. Bryant has gone and we're here for his wife has children the whole Mba community. No question about it but Kobe. Brian has a mother and father they were in attendance and nobody has mentioned them on the air off the air at the ceremony etc etc. I understand nobody knows the details. I don't particularly care at this particular moment Tom. It does not matter But it is important to remember a lot of times. You know what goes on people's houses their business and there's a mother and father that was in. Attendance is two siblings. That lost their brothers and it is to simply just two sisters. That lost their brother. And there's a mother and a father that lost their child and no matter what went on whatever you know tension existed whatever. The case may be Look Job Ryan's face when the cameras want him yesterday. Look at that. Look at the pain in. That man's eyes looking pain on his face. His son is gone and I think that a lot of times. You know listen we should mention Vanessa. We should mention those wonderful children that he's left behind is no question about that. But I do think it's important to remember. He had a mother and a father and two sisters that loss you know lost their son and lost their brother. I'm so glad you brought that up. Pam Brian if you saw during ceremonies. Kobe's the spitting image but Joe Brian his father. He's mentioned before an interview. That's how he fell in love with the game of basketball. You know his father was a professional basketball player. Obviously we know he played overseas. But that's really where that love came from and you're right. They haven't been mentioned in and they deserve to be just takes important. Because you're right we lean back in you know a lot of us not all of us but a lot of us and engage in Biblical versus whenever we choose to and it does say on their mother and father you know they brought you into this world and you know what law before there was tension. They raised a beautiful son. That was maniacal about winning and had a competitive spirit and was highly intelligent. And what have you? His parents had something to do with that and I just think it supported to remember that no question. He was such a special man. And obviously that's where it came from one last thing. I just WANNA share it. We'll go to break here. How about the story that he learned to play Moonlight Sonata. How unbelievable is that? Rob Pelinka was sensational as well. My the details the details and being text from the helicopter prior to the tragic accident. That's when rob Pelinka was receiving those in that particular message about about about planes. So but you know just in terms of Kobe reaching out to try and help wanted to kids get involved in baseball. Or what have you and It was a tremendous story. Rob People who Kobe Alicia keys. Rendition was absolutely beautiful but my goodness he learned to play Moonlight Sonata for his wife. So beautiful out of people a lot of people love him a lot and the closest to them the more they love them. Okay I believe in the power of prayer and we will continue to uplift the. Bryant's through this difficult time. Sometimes democracy is a birthright sometimes. It is a gift today. It's a fight and I'm asking you to stand and fight with me Michael Bloomberg Green our country back together. This election is a referendum on the meaning of America. It is about what we will tell our children what we did at this time. 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Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more so. Yesterday we discuss concern over the clippers going through a three game losing streak in lingering injuries but last night they turned it around with the returns of Paul George dealing with a hamstring. And Patrick Beverley the groin in a win over the grizzlies. The clippers are fifteen and four this season when Kawai TV. In beverly all play an I have company Kendrick Perkins and the House. Good to see you. Thank you so much for being here. Max I want to start with you. It's twenty seven point win yesterday. Does this prove we have absolutely nothing to worry about with L. A.'s other team? No it's like we've never had anything to worry about. You WanNa call it proof fine. I mean the grizzlies have been on a little slide during the road trip. Okay LOSE TO SACRAMENTO. They lose to the Lakers by a little more. They get the breaks. Beat off from by the clippers. But the Clippers. GonNa win the chip this years. I've been trying to tell people all along and have never equivocated from the time I said look before the season started wherever coli goes that team will surely win the championship. He will be the finals. Mvp again and look at Toronto. Now imagine if they didn't add anything instead of imagine if you just added to why to Toronto. Right now they'd be favorites in the east. Whatever the bucks are doing. We saw what happened to the bucks last year. When they ran into a big he could funnel them too. So what would happen this year? Same thing meantime. He goes to the clippers and they get Paul George so look when Paul George is down. They had to move heaven and earth to get them. Garland Nari Shake Alexander. They had to move those guys in order to get Paul George so when Paul George isn't playing it's not like it's the same team from last year. Plus why modest Paul Georgia's minus two other almost all star caliber players? And they've been down. Patrick Beverley happens in the regular season particularly for an ice. Oh heavy team. We're there load managing and clearly they're built for the post-season so I I I never was stressing at all. There's no point in wedding. Oh the the clippers are having regular season struggles. I said all along if you WANNA point to a weakness. They don't have the rim defending bigs that can funnel guys to like if they meet the freak in the in the in the finals. Let's talk about stuff that could actually maybe slow them down not a couple of regular season nonsense losses short. Paul George and Patrick Beverley. The clippers are going to be fine well first of all. You're entitled to believe that and this legitimate belief because the clippers all elite they are legit. And nobody's dismissing that way I get their retaliated with you and specifically more importantly a lot of people out there that you know what you get to sit up there and look at evidence and judge accordingly moving forward based on championship expectations. You know a regular season game against the Memphis Grizzlies. Last night doesn't amount to much. Nor does it three game losing streak that they had incurred prior to last night's game? It's not about that. It's about what you're seeing while the Games are taking place. That's what you're looking at if I sat up then I saw example Max. Hypothetically if you saw Kuwa- ball right. And he dropped thirty but he was limping. Allot against the Sacramento Kings. Well can't you fantasize about what he's looks like if he will lip it a lot going up. Lebron James Anthony Davis on the Greek freak. So what I'm trying to say to you is that it's not about wins or losses is about what you witnessing and what people out there don't realize that gets my last damn nerves. Is that when people talk about? Oh just dismiss this. What did they watch the Games? Why not just wait till you bit? Why can't use it? It's all about sitting there and analyzing and dissecting what you're witnessing before your very eyes and then prognosticating about what may take place. Based on the level of competition you inevitably are scheduled to go up against. We liked the Memphis Grizzlies. We're pleased with them. What did I say about the Memphis Grizzlies? When it came to Williamson and the Pellets. I said Zaire could potentially rookie of the year. Despite the Paucity of games he has played if indeed the PELICANS ASCEND WALL. He's bowling but the grizzlies struggling and John mirant fate. I don't believe that would happen. But it's possible. What has memphis done there on. A cost of a three game losing streak. They are now a game undefeated five hundred and they're loosening their grip on a playoff berth. If the PELICANS ascend all of a sudden we're having a different conversation. The same thing applies to the clippers. You look at the clippers is not about the Memphis Grizzlies. It's about the fact that you got you want L. A. Right BUT TO DENVER. Nuggets are no joke. The Utah Jazz. The Houston Rockets with with Jane's Autumn and Russell Westbrook and Russell Westbrook get some time off like he did last night etc CETERA. These brothers are going to be fresh for the past season in all likelihood. What do you expect to see a clippers team? That doesn't seem to be together. It's GonNa be a problem. I WanNa get another former player. Here talk to me. We go chase stephen a name the Stephen. Aj Because He's speaking a Gospel right now. Listen met TJ MAXX. So you series right now. The clippers are looking funny and the light. And if you don't notice a you're watching the clippers and you end the now you right now. They're struggling although you could say health or whatever and we don't take we don't look at regular season. Games and this don't count disregard that no. They're looking funny and the light and let me tell you something. Paul George is having won his worst careers. Right now for a scorn. Wise with the clippers right now shooting. He's shooting forty two percent from the field he's averaging twenty points he's not the PG that we've seen last year and right now. The clippers are having problems and to me. If they don't lock in sick and see is going to be a problem. Like Stephen Ages. Said you don't want to start off in a second round or maybe in the first round on the road having to play a Denver Nugget team or Utah Jazz team or Houston Rockets team. So the clippers have some soul-searching to do in my opinion and for you to sit up here and say you're not working come on Komo Mex- commercial next so what you're talking about. Let's be real about this. What you're talking about is just injury. You just saying if Paul George Healthy Paul. George has not been healthy. That's why the season hasn't been going great for him period. If Paul Georgia's healthy and this is why they load manage coli and this is why load managed himself last year. As long as you're healthy for the playoffs you know this as well as anyone better than most. Because you've actually been there. Playoffs are a whole other season. You know more or less how it's going to go quarter third way through the NBA season. Who's going to be seated? Where more or less. The playoffs can last two months. If you win the chip so as Paul George is healthy for that. Is the clippers are to win? And IF THEY'RE GONNA lose but it's not like they gotta do soul-searching. Pg thirteen just gotta be healthy but makes like pg thirteen no have name call playoff PG may like he has a history of disappear so let's not sit up here. Just make like Paul George. You Know He. He steps up there in the big moments in the playoffs. So I mean what are you talking about? Oh collide quiet there for that. Quite got him. Don't you talking about the Saint Leonard? Lashing the finals. That people don't even talk about that shot fourteen for forty and two of those games that same the. What about the other games? Though I'm saying like who I didn't have a solid team around him. There was big in those playoff series. Larry now Tom Hurry the point. No but makes just bid denial about it though. I WANNA go. Kp Let me get on you about something here. Let's not say that Paul George has a history of disappearing in the playoffs. The average twenty eight in the postseason last year two years ago. Two years before the average twenty eight in the postseason. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. His numbers always prestige because sometimes shooting percentage has been questionable. A couple of years ago. I think he got like thirty eight percent from the field in the post season. Although it was better to in the last three years he's been in a postseason but this do doesn't exactly wet the bed in the postseason. Paul George has shown up in the postseason. Paul George is a star in this league went healthy and I don't think that we can summarily just real quick quick for both for both of you for perk and for Steven A. And for everyone else's down the clippers you know how sometimes shacking Kobe on the same team. You go whatever else happens. Those two are going to win. That's what I'm saying about KUWATA. He's got a real code real team and a second. He's GonNa win. We hear you unequivocal for change congratulate. You said it's paramount. They get that second seed. Currently the delegates are there. And we'll all have all eyes on that game Friday on. Espn because the clippers will be hosting the nuggets. He'll be back with us in a bit. Thank you kindly time might be waning BUT DALLAS COWBOYS EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT. Steven Jones remains confident. A long term deal can be worked out with Dak Prescott before the organization will need to use the Franchise Tag Jones adding. There's no scenario in which the cowboys would move on from Prescott in twenty twenty quote. I mean to x. Our quarterback. He's our quarterback for the future and we have nothing but the respect for him. He is a competitor. He won a lot of football games for us. Obviously he likes us. We all want to take that next step and get into a championship game and get to the big game and ultimately win a championship. So there's no sauce like back and look who's here now two time superbowl Champs Torrey Smith. Thank you so much for being here. I want to start with you here. Max. Do you have a problem with Steven. Jones comments on deck. Because I thought they were going to franchise tag him but now it seems to be a different story. Though I sure do let me start by saying. I actually have a lot of respect for Stephen Jones. Because this has been shown over time nepotism when the fit when you when the family gets. Family member gets favorites as favourite especially in business. If it's just inherited by a family member. There's not an insignificant decrease in the success of the business because the kid you know didn't have to work to get there the same way someone else might have Steven Jones especially with that in mind has done an excellent job in his capacity with the cowboys you know when they started moving away from Jerry. Jones impulse picks like Johnny Manziel and started drafting offensive lineman. Instead you could see. Stephen Jones is influence. So my hat's off to many respects but that doesn't mean he's perfect and here. I got a real beef. What the hell are they doing? What is Stephen Jones talking about? Look I wouldn't give back the money everyone else who apparently I wouldn't have given it to. Carson West Jared Goff either because when teams pay not quite elite quarterbacks as though they are elite as other mahomes or Rogers in his prime they don't win super bowls and and really in a hard cap league. That means you're not paying someone else. Always got a set the mark set in the market. You sit in the market for quarterbacks really just taking money away from another position so I get why they wanNA keep the salary down. Maybe even franchise him. I understand that I think that makes sense but this is what they were doing with Ezekiel Elliott. Who had less leverage them back and they wound up making him. The highest paid guy highest guaranteed highest average annual the whole thing. So if in the end you're gonNA cave any way and give him what he wanted. What was all this about? Just given just just making a bad feeling in the franchise and if you do give them the money you also look soft like you posture posture posture. Then cave to the player eventually put. And if that's the case what did you put everyone through this for. And in the end if you're gonNA franchise than what does all this mean really because it does not seem like that is going to take a discount. According to the market it seems like. Since he's at least jared. Goff he's GonNa want at least Jared Goff Money Right. How the? How the rams like in that contract right now how? The Eagles Liking the West contract wants needs more. I mean like the date but they paid too much for me. He hasn't been Donovan. Mcnabb has he dak. Prescott may wind up being a great quarterback. I think he will. Actually I think eventually you'll get there. I don't think he's there today. And if you pay them like that you're going to pay the price and yet it looks like that's what they're going to do anyway. So what was this whole dog and pony show about? Was the cost of doing business. You think about what happened with Joe Flacco now is in Baltimore. We win the Super Bowl. The Ravens kind of lost the bet by not signing to an extension early like back has done he. They missed wave. He's going to have to be paid and I'M NOT SAYING. Dak is the best quarterback in the NFL. What I'm saying is in this market. He's going to be paid like one of the top guys and it's not his fault. I mean they've won this. I mean excuse me they losses bit and Dak is offering to be paid. He's done everything right. He represented his organisation. The Right Way He's a model citizen. Yes can improve. But he's also wanted to top young guys in franchise quarterbacks don't just grow on trees and you had the opportunity to keep one and. I believe that you go into super with him it's on MTV decide that they're saying these things but their actions that showing differently is the reality of the situation. I don't have a problem with what Stephen Jones said. Because I think it's reality and I think that you want to send the message to him that you do believe in him and now you gotta prove about paying him but I think that ultimately. That's the before you even do that. Rather which are trying to do is say we believe in. You're not trying to franchise tag you to keep you here for another year. You're upset bitter you you know. You're not happy with us. But then we've got you locked in for you. Don't keep a quarterback prisoner. You could do that with other positions on. Nfl field can't do that with a quarterback because there's so much that goes in to be an NFL quarterback that not just in terms of throwing the football running the offense and galvanizing the troops to some degree. That the minute that you turn back off to the point of no return. You've really jeopardize your jeopardize your franchise you've given them a step back. And this is a guy that's completely sixty five percent of his passes through thirty touchdowns eleven interceptions through familiar. Five thousand yards. He's not a scrub. He's not somebody that's not doing. The job per say there are other elements that come into the fray had the number two ranked passing attack. The number one offense in yards accumulated number six overall in offense. What's the damn problem especially when it in his own Division Carson? Wentz has gotten paid and within his own conference. Jared Goff has gotten paid and again Max you keep bringing up these got paid. And where does that leave them? But you're missing the key point here. This is the national football league. You have a right to cut salary you have a right to restructure deals etc etc. I'm talking about Dak Prescott. Because of his character not just as game but his character representing that brand. That is the cowboys being dysfunctional. As they could be you can pay him Max and they come to him a year from now. We need you to restructure. We need to work it out but you give him that option. I got it reasonable. People can agree to disagree about whether you pay a quarterback. Quarterbacks are overpaid from mahomes. Give them a blank. Check everyone else. Let's negotiate but let me ask you this. It seems to me that you believe the cowboys will cave and give him the big deal correct. I don't think it'll be forty million a year but I'm talking cost went to money. Yes I agree if they would offer them Carson Wentz money in the beginning and you know they because they never released a guarantee they only ever talked about average annual. That's what leaked out. The we never read what's DAX guarantee of guaranteed Carson wentz money. You don't think they'd have gotten a deal done by now. So my point is this if they eventually gonNA cave anyway given the big deal what was all this about. Why would they drag him through this process because the cowboys inter it turmoil let me answer it? Let me answer it. Here's why because you wanted to for him to go out there and prove under duress he could still perform when we look at the Dallas cowboys last year and their struggles although he wasn't elite the reality of the situation. Is this a plethora of things you could point to that that led to the cowboys demise before you get to Dak Prescott? That defense wasn't a stout as it was supposed to be those linebacker. We lamented them. All year long vanished got lean vandross got injured jalen. Smith wasn't himself Sean Lee. You know he's injury prone and what have you. You had some question marks. You had some questions about other gods and their ability to get to the quarterback you have questions about their quarter. You question about who the hell is it. Offensive Coordinator for crying out left yet. All of those things going on. Then you on the offensive side of the ball well Jason Garrett Cole and place is it really killing more Kelly. Moore's calling the place. What role is Jason Garrett played? Why did they forget about? Ezekiel Elliott etc. There's a whole bunch of things that came into play that led to the cowboys demise. And so if you're Steven Jones or Jerry Jones knowing that you sent that Prescott into that into that lion's den making two point one million dollars and clearly upset but still nearly two for five thousand yards now. You saw something that you may have seen last year Max to answer the question. I want to give you the last word here because we'll have more on the cowboys later. The three of us. I mean the cowboys made the mistake you know. You can't say you want to be married to someone long long term and not talk to them. They haven't spoken six months. You GotTa Show Me Love Him. He earned it. He's represented organization. Well paid a man. Yeah he made two point one million this year forty fifth in the NFL. Thank you for being with us. Appreciate it was made a mistake agree.

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The Ocho: It's NFL Combine Week!

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21:56 min | 8 months ago

The Ocho: It's NFL Combine Week!

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Works and why it matters at your favorite bookseller. Thanks none none of what of world welcome onto another episode of the Ocho presentative in partnership as always that's being nations blogging two boys dot com or Joa in of course from BTV and from radio's you're humble host on the road show. It is Tuesday February. Twenty Fifth Two Thousand and twenty An apology for not GonNa Monday episode. But you know the week it's going and sometimes you know the errands run late on Sunday and things are. We had a fantastic episode talking the draft another awesome interview there. Connor did so. I thought it'd be enough to hold you. Plus my Sunday night was dominated by debate on twitter DOT COM. You know I've said this before definitely on the radio in San Antonio. I'm not a fan of cake. The cake kind of sucks and I don't think it sucks. I think the cake requires something to elevate. Threats Legis is fantastic but again it's not really like a cake. Ice Cream cake is really good but it needs the ice cream. If I'M GONNA eat some cake I've gotta have something with it. Something like an ice cream cake on its own is really lame and in fact cake by its very nature needs icing to elevate it. Although I will say I'm somebody there are people that prefer. Like fifty percent fifty percent icing. That is terrible to me. I like maybe like five percent icing but still the fact a cake need something is a week in a more of a pie guy. More of a cinnamon roll got more of a cobbler guy wrapped up in that. Sunday night with a bunch of other stuff. Which is why we didn't have an episode of the available before you on Monday but here we are on Tuesday. The weeks stays rolling on and it is the week of the NFL combine which means the most influential people in the national. Football League are all in the Midwest. They're all in Indianapolis at Lucas Oil Stadium. If you've never been to Indianapolis I went with my dad. We went and saw the cowboys play. Indianapolis in two thousand and eighteen when they lost twenty three to nothing. Remember the week before it was the week after they had beaten the eagles and overtime on the Amari Cooper touchdown and the week before they want the NFC against Tampa Bay and it's such a cool city. It's perfect for this At least in in my humble opinion it's if you're unfamiliar it's everything's kind of connected all the hotels and Convention Center and even the stadium are connected through sort of tunnel systems truly great. You know. Obviously it's Kinda cold this time of year you don't have to worry about that We did go to Saint. Elmo's an hour there so that place gets tons of business this week And lots of conversations are head while breaking bread while devouring shrimp cocktails spicy as they may be lots of draft decisions. Lots of free agency decisions. Lots of kind of. Hey don't tell anybody that's just kind of the way the Indianapolis Combine Works and we're starting to get that on Monday. We got some reports because and I should say that this is also the time of year. You have to be very careful with what you hear. There is a lot of truth to a lot of things. But it's also this business and there are an. I don't say this just about the cowboys. Teams are trying to get their narrative across players are trying to get their newer dip across every single thing that every person says typically has some sort of slant some sort of objective some sort of purpose so you have to keep everything you hear in mind in terms of all of that context now. We did start to here on Monday. Obviously when it comes to the cowboys. This is the first combined from Mike McCarthy as the as the team's head coach and whatnot I one without Jason Gary and over a decade or really kind of practically a decade over a decade. If you count you know his contribution is an operative coordinator and whatnot but we got some reports in the Dallas Morning News and then some ensuing outlets followed Michael Galkin on twitter at Galveston. Nfl had the first week that kind of said these conversations ablaze tweeted on Monday afternoon. Cowboys Vice President Steven Jones said the team has not met or negotiated with quarterback Prescott's agent Todd France since September before the season no talks yet. This offseason may meet here at combine but meeting not firmly scheduled yet. Now Michael had some follow up tweets where he added a few more details. He noted that Steven Jones said no contract with dako remark. Cougar will be agreed upon until. Cba rules for the twenty twenty year. Decided he did note. And this was reported by everybody all the reports. That are Indianapolis that Steven Jones was very firm in the Dak Prescott. Is the cowboys quarterback. Day Aren't going in a different direction. This is simply a matter of. We have to get the deal done with deck. Michael also noted that Back in September Steven Jones said this of the Prescott contract negotiations. It just kind of stopped. We kind of left it where it was. I wouldn't say there was anything acrimonious. I guess they felt they were done where they were. We felt like we were we. Were we never really got it? Going final thing and I should mention that Dak and Amari. It seems like where the the two people kind of really being discussed Stephen added. We're going to have some challenges with our salary cap. We are certainly with. That's going to shrink it in a hurry. We'RE GOING TO HAVE CHALLENGES. But they're not challenges that we cannot overcome. I mentioned because there's no mention of Byron Jones in that then that little quote right there we'll get to him and a little bit but you. This is this is both complicated and not complicated right. This is both easy and not easy. Easy and not complicated. Parts of this are look. There is something very simple to understand about the salary cabin and quarterbacks and you know people think that the Saudi cap can can really hold teams down and whatnot and and can keep from being flexible. You can make room where you WanNa make room The reality here and maybe you don't think this is easy or uncomplicated. But the reality is that no price especially for a quarterback goes down. None and history would suggest that Steven Jones continues to believe that he can win a staring contest with a Premier member of the Dallas Cowboys. It needs a contract extension. Stephen Jones took things well into the eleventh hour. With demarcus Thornton. There was the Laborem surgery that became a part of that. And Obviously Stephen. Jones didn't take things to the eleventh hour with Zeke Elliott because the cowboys scapegoat contract after his third year in the NFL. I mean he was eligible. But you know they They they bent. I mean really soon as possible and you know there was some objective reasoning why they should from the perspective of a running back but obviously most people at least on twitter seem to feel that running backs in our giving contract extensions to even the most incredible ones. Zeke certainly is one of the best running backs in the National Football League. And so your thoughts on that really kind of depend on your philosophical approach to football but would act prescott a year ago. It was reported there were different reports and you know how it is but It seems like the neighborhood. The DAK Prescott came on. It was somewhere around thirty three million dollars per year and a lot of people balked at that number year ago and Dak Prescott went out and played like a quarterback. Should that should be played paid. Excuse me at the market rate the market rate. The reality is now above thirty three million dollars annually. That's the truth. That's the cold hard truth whether you think. Dak Prescott is a viable quarterback or not. The truth is that the market value for a quarterback whether you believe Dak fits those requirements or not. The market value is well above thirty million dollars from an annual average value perspective. And so if you're Dak Prescott camp you certainly believe that he is of that variety which means you certainly believe. He should be paid the market value. Which means you certainly believe that he should be paid. What is now the market value? Which is more than thirty three million dollars on an annual average value basis? And I mean if the cowboys had paid back then and this is easy to say I understand that with hindsight and the benefit of that would look you know not like a steal but his his contract would look friendlier. I mean his contract would look less intimidating. And we've talked about the implications of these franchise tag and the differences and if the new CBA is reached and whatnot. The cowboys would still have the franchise tag utilize on Amari Cooper or Byron Jones. And if they do have the transition tag the US on top of that they would be able to tag the other. This is just I. It seems like the you know. I'll say this about myself and we tweeted this on the blog. The boys account on twitter at blog on the boys I am such a procrastinator. If I'm being totally honest and I will often. I read this article. I think it was from buzzfeed and it was about. How millennials became the burnt out generation. I think the article was from like two thousand nineteen But I just saw it in my apple news. Feed by the way the boys on Apple News if you want to subscribed are there. I think it's really helpful. But that's up to your cup of tea but in so I am somebody who in the article kind of mentioned this. We'll put something on their to do list. And it will literally stay there for three months and it can be like a mundane thing and that's kind of silly that you let a Monday and faster and faster and faster. But that's kind of how Stephen Jones is approaching the biggest and most important contracts with regards to the Dallas cowboys right. I mean just waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting how have you had an? I think there is a possible explanation for this. But how have you had no contact or no negotiations with Jack? Prescott came in September. A lot of that was that we heard deck. Say you know if the deal isn't done before the season I wanna put it out of sight out of mind. I want to put on my own to do lists and let a faster and not worry about into the season is over but the reality is that we are almost now two full months removed from the Dallas cowboys. Sing their season. And there's no reason why there has are. There should have not been a meeting between then and now with regards to Dak Prescott team in the Dallas cowboys but It is what it is and this continues to be very curious thing In something that Is going to linger. And there's people that believe. Oh you know Jerry. Jones likes the attention. That's the only thing that this thing is at the very least causing is attention. And a lot of eyes are fixed on the Dallas cowboys but There's some other things to get to some other things discussed and we're going to do that but before we do. We're GONNA take a very quick break to hear a word from our sponsors. Hello this is Jesse David Fox. I'm senior editor at vulture and I host the podcast. Good one day podcasts. About jokes it's a podcast about well jokes. Every week I sit down with a comedian comedy writer or director relates to one of their jokes and figure out how it all came together. I don't sit down with a pen and the pad and physically write down everything I just has not. My style turns out comedians jokes pretty seriously. I like all Joe Okay. That's what I do. That's what I live. There's really nothing else I care about. It's all very revealing. What did you sort of learn from this? What was your takeaway? Nothing guy not. I'm not sure mar person good one from vulture in the box media podcast network subscribed for free on apple podcast or on your favorite podcast APP. Do not use the PUCK is. I'll let a great question Jesse David Fox welcome back Amigos. Hopefully the break was prosperous for you. I went in and fixed myself a cup of coffee because I'm recording this on Monday afternoon. Ish about four thirty central time on Monday. So don't tell me what happens the rest of Monday night I WANNA be surprised but anyway so the deal is something that is going to be one of the bigger talking points throughout the NFL. Combine Indianapolis Thankfully for the Dallas Cowboys. That's not the only deal they have to talk about. You know I listen to a lot of podcast and we certainly hope that the blog on the voice podcast is part of your daily podcast routine. You do get at the very least one episode per day every day even now in the offseason. So I'm actually hit the subscribe button wherever you get your podcast. But I listened to a lot of podcast myself and one of my favorites is the around the NFL. Podcast and Greg Rosenthal Chris Westland from NFL MEDIA NFL DOT COM. That's an inside joke. If you listen to their podcasts. Every year they do their top one. Oh One free agents. Top hundred agents across the entire national football league. There are seven Dallas cowboys on that list. And while that's cool that the cowboys had that much talent it is not that they could theoretically lose that much talent and Dak Prescott Amari Cooper Byron Jones. They were all in top three or top three there on the top ten players on this list me cons on the latest Robert Quinn Randall. Cobb Michael Bennett was the lowest rent cowboy to be on the list so they have their work cut out for them and it does seem like when when it comes to the top three Deck Amari and Byron Jones. The Byron felt this for a while. It's kind of the odd man out. Dave Helmet from DALLAS COVERS DOT com. Friend of the show headed tweet on Monday afternoon on twitter at home in DC at the outset of this week's NFL Combine Steven Jones. Says he's optimistic about This isn't the helmet widows talking about. He does have a different tweet. One second here I got my helmet tweets confused sometimes Here we got helmet. Has This tweet again on twitter at helm in DC? We've been speculating from the outside. For a long time that of Baron. Jones's days are numbered. And here's the Stephen Jones. Quit that he transcribed Byron's Guy we think a lot of he's had a great run at corner he's played really well played at a high level. That's the hard thing when you have quite a few good players on your football team. Is You get challenges? I Know Byron understands it but at the same time. He's worried about a Byron is he. Should be certainly. We'll continue visit with his guys while we're here kind of see their direction and what they're thinking and we'll have to keep moving good for Stephen Jones saying the Baron. Jones should be worried about Byron. If only the other longtime members of the Dallas cowboys felt that way about other players. You know like Dak Prescott should be worried about that Prescott. Nobody should be worried about You know the team or whatever but anyway Byron does seem like he is going to be the does seem like there is not enough room and a lot of that is because the cowboys I suppose you could say mismanaged What is happening? You know? Terms of their contractual status and their contractual situations and the cowboys. Obviously you know jumped on paying Zeke Elliot and so when you do stuff like that you run the Captain Matt. It's numbers and The ringer had a great ride up about the cavs translation. Robert mays one half of the ringer. Nfl show always does a fantastic job. But I thought that you know we and we wrote about this to Dave Halpern wrote about this. Dot Com but This is in mazes article on the ringer. In the end it will probably mean that a quality player like Jones. We'll go elsewhere. Some look at the cowboys predicament. This spring is a good thing when you hit on. So many draft picks it becomes virtually impossible to keep them all but the franchises looming cap. Who are more than just a big contracts coming? This off season maze goes on to say as contract talks stalled with some of their stars last year. They're always handed other deals. That complicated matters the difference between keeping or losing Jones doesn't come down to a couple million more for Prescott. It's what happens when you combine a- Prescott deal with a six year ninety million dollars extension for Elliot two years ahead of schedule and a five or sixty three point eight million dollar contract for Jalen Smith the cowboys were always going to extend Elliott after him in the top five in two thousand sixteen and Rewarding Smith after his incredible comeback from a career-threatening knee. Injury made some sense but much like it's wrong to frame the Prescott standoff as an inevitability it's wrong to treat the possibility of the cowboys losing Jones as something that was always bound to happen given the circumstances and it should be mentioned. Obviously the cowboys traded for Mark Cooper in that really kind of changed the perspective here because Amari was drafted in the first round in two thousand fifteen the same draft at Byron Jones went so that put them on the same timeline as far as needed new deals after their fifth. Your options. And you know that. That wasn't expected when the cowboys drafted Byron Jones. Certainly however. May's has a great point. You know think about the the big deals that were done a year ago. Obviously demarcus Lawrence got the richest contract and franchise history. Obviously Zeke Elliott. Got A ninety million dollar deal opposite Jalen Hill. Jalen Smith got his deal and Lyle Collins got his deal and so sometimes you just live with the consequences of the consequences are you know. We're not GONNA have Byron Jones if we're on what we're doing and that seems to be where the cowboys are. And it seems I know Shahbaz kind of made this point a little bit on twitter before it seems like the cowboys were were pretty decided that they weren't GonNa Keep Byron Jones for a long time. They just kind of realized. That's right up this with your option and then we'll figure it out but they're putting themselves in a potentially compromising situation and you play this game a number of ways but if you look a year from now okay a year from now. The rest of their secondary is up for contracts. You've got to be able to say Jordan. Lewis and rewards are eligible for contract extension a year from now so the cowboys needed corners. And then cornerback depth pretty soon pretty soon but that is where things stand. And I think if you haven't made peace with the fact that the cowboys are going to lose Byron Jones and you need to start to the You Know Byron Will Mark. One of the only cow was drafted in the first round by the team to knock it a second contract With the organization if ultimately does move on free agency. And we've seen that happen. Obviously Charleston's obviously gone but Moore's claiborne did get a second contract originally so Byron will be the first to fulfill the entirety of his rookie deal and then knock it an extension with the team and I'm not trying to forecast this and I'm not trying to put this out there and say this is what's going to happen but an interesting tweet popped up from another beer on Monday. Connor lives who you here on. Talk on the draft on twitter at Connor. Nfl draft tweeted. What Brian brought his said now on the G bag nation. I WANNA five three. The Fan brought us according to Connors tweets. And I've been hearing some concerns about late in Van Direction. We've heard this for a while. Obviously In vandross had the neck issues come at a boise state when he entered the draft now two years ago if light and vander Russia's neck issues are more serious and to be clear anything with regards to that is very serious and should be treated very seriously. This is the same injury by the way the Michael Irvin head. He's spoken several times about it But if this is something that is going to persist and going to linger and going to be a big deal that is going to absolutely impact Dallas cowboys and the state of their linebacking core. You know a year ago we were all talking all discuss saying this linebacking core the Dallas cowboys have. It's their future is going to be great for a long time. It's going to be the the reason their defense it's awesome. It's going to be the reason they're reliable they are going to be amazing he's on track etc etc etc Jalen. Smith's doing great. And now you look at it. One season later lane vansh not reliable from a health perspective at least not totally reliable guy willing. Obviously things get better between now and training camp and whatnot and Jalen. Smith Jalen is not reliable from a talent perspective. I mean thank God Jalen is healthy but historian is May's noted in his article is incredible. Nobody can deny that but Jalen is not Necessarily you know somebody who can really count on in in thousand and twenty and so you know. Got His deal and maybe late in. Jalen both come back and regain their two thousand eighteen form in two thousand twenty bucks. Betting on that is really bold. And that's why you know between there's a number of narratives to take the cowboys but it does feel like not. Only that Sean Lee will be backed with Sean. Lee is necessary. That's my humble opinion for what it's worth but it is what it is and it feels good to be back. Sorry about the Monday absence for what it's worth cake does suck pie is better. And I've gotten before when I've said that I- cinnamon rolls for dessert. A great like if I go to a restaurant I have an awesome meal. And what do you want for desert? Well here's a dessert menu. Whatever if a cinnamon rolls on their dude? That is not a contest. I'm taking a cinnamon. Roll one hundred one hundred times. I also had the take me. That cinnamon rolls need to be great. That's not true. The Cinnamon Roll Bread on. Its own is fantastic. Just like you. You're fantastic and do me a favor all right. You did to make sure that you have an absolutely fantastic Tuesday. You GotTa have the best Tuesday of all time every Tuesday. You've ever had have the best Tuesday ever you know because you deserve it. We were in the Anna friends as always go cowboys and peace out.

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Color of Place with Julieanne Kost

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27:30 min | 1 year ago

Color of Place with Julieanne Kost

"Hey, folks, in this interview, it's all about color with Julian cost an evangelist from adobe. Welcome back to this week in photo. I'm your host Frederik van Johnson. You know, it seems like this month. We've been talking a lot about color. We've been talking about this diving deep into the the nuts and bolts and DNA photography composition color exposure, you know, those sorts of things that nuts and bolts that make up photography beyond the gear stuff that everyone obsesses over. I'm lucky enough today to have someone on the show whose amazingly talented. I mean, if you haven't heard of her body of work or what she does for a living. You will certainly know after this interview, but it's Julianne costs as I mentioned in the tease Julianne is an evangelist at adobe we're gonna find out what evangelism is at adobe. But more importantly, we're going to dive into color and get our feet wet and kind of, you know, hopefully, make it less scary for people who are afraid to sort of experiment with color and use it as a compositional. Element Jillian costs. Welcome to this week in photo. How are you doing? I'm doing great. Thank you so much for inviting me on the program. It's great to see you again. It was great to see you again. Like we were saying before we started recording. I don't even want to put a number on how long it's been since. I've seen you. It's it's been way too long. I remember when I was working at adobe. My office was just down the way from yours and from time to time I would come over and bug. You. And ever ever Buckingham us. We worked together. Right. Really? Well, but yeah, we did we did we come to ask you, you know. Saltaire questions about Photoshop because you know, everything there is to know about Photoshop in. That's outwear not to and I've forgotten a lot in fact. Yeah. I think I've forgotten more than I know. Now, you probably forgotten more than I know. But that's awesome. So let's let's start there. So first of all, I mentioned, you're an evangelist. So for the folks who may not know it in Vangelis does in tech. What is in evangelists only? Let me let me set the stage the before coming to adobe the only evangelist that I had ever heard of was guy Kawasaki. At apple in. He was Vangelis than apple in, you know. And that's kind of what kind of drew me into the apple what does an evangelist doing adobe semi relative Demi is to create hopefully, inspiring and also educational information and get that out to people our customers. However, I can so whether that's a live event or through a blog post or social media anything to to help our customers learner products, and you know, really improve their photography or their design or whatever area of their field. Is it what would you consider your SOGA looking at the stuff that you do even back when when when I was at adobe, you do some really cool. What's the word for it? Compartmentalize bodies of work like you'll give yourself a project. And then just you know, like you were doing that project and people many people remember back in the day. You did a project where you doing photographs out of plane windows, you remember that? But it's self contained. It's like you have this pithy and do something brilliant. And now you have this thing. And then you move onto the next thing. Tell us about who what defines you photographer designer creative. Would what do you? Call yourself ask you, let's not let's not limit it. Then I don't wanna get in that argument. Like well to target offers. Don't composite multiple images together. So I'm borrowing this from. From Keith Carter, who's a wonderful photographer whose work. I really admire and he calls himself a lens based artists. So if we have to put me in a box, I think that's a pretty big bucks to put me in. Of doing great, right? Because then there's no more conversation about what's proper. What's correct? You know, can you crop? Well, if you can crop. But can you distort images in what if you put to him and just together just it's a slippery slope? So I prefer just to say know, I'm not a documentary photographer. So I'm kind of allowed to do anything. I want with my photos, so interesting. I remember remember having dinner with a local Tigra front if he's still local Steven Johnson. You know, Steven Jones, absolutely great guy, and we were just street from Dobie. And we were we were having this discussion, let's say about what was proper photography a awhile ago. So in the he was of the the mind that cover photography means. You don't touch it. Right. You don't manipulate the image? And what you see is what you get. And you know, so it's it's the truth. You're you're you're Petach affir-. So your job is to tell the truth or whatever in my my response. And I forget who else was there. Another Dobie personals air forget who is. But our response was, but you're making choices along the way, you're. Making choices about focal inks, even if his shooting film, you're making choices about the film stock that you're going to use all this stuff is going into even the larger imprinting the image. You're making choices why not just make those choices digitally. So. Interesting conversation. I think it's a continuum, and I think everyone has their own process. So for me, I I don't mind, you know, I think it takes all all types of photographers. I'm super happy with photojournalist. I mean, they can capture it all in Cameron everything I think it's amazing and it's more documentary. And then there's just you know, I just don't put those limitations on myself. But it doesn't mean that other people, you know, are wrong to do that in some of them obviously have to like morally unethically, but I guess I'm just fortunate that I don't have to and I can go do what I want. Exactly. That's the whole big creative. You can be whatever you want. It's it's it's subjective sub subjectivity of its finest. But I want to dive into the whole color part of this this conversation because that's going to be really exciting. But before that I want to just do a little check in on software. Right. Like, I mentioned you are, you know. Okay. You don't know everything about Photoshop, but you know, more than most carbon based lifeforms on the planet. Let's let's so let's say that. So I'm not gonna put you on the spot. Obviously. I know you can't talk about anything future or coming up or anything like that. But for folks that are using Photoshop today. You know, it it it is sort of become, you know, as you know, it's become part of the lexicon. It is part of our language in terms of how we describe digital manipulation or whatever, you know, for better for worse. What do you think? What's what's missing today? You know, in terms of you know, there's a constellation of software out there on on. Noble. You know, and people say yeah, Mobile's a future. Everything's going to mobile. And then you hear no, you know, professionals need a need a proper, computer. What do you think is missing? In terms of the feature set that we need as you know, sort of lens based artists or photographers, or whatever we call ourselves in order to make our work take our work to the next level or conversely, are we already they're like are we arguing about something? Are we arguing about a spaceship? You know, that you in sort of discounting the fact that we're able to go to space. You know, what what do you think about that? Well, I think that for me personally, one of the things that has happened over the last few years is the whole like connectivity devices. So I don't think that there's just like there's not one camera and one lens there's not like one device for all photographers are all creative individuals. So the more devices we can get the applications on which are basically the tools that we use to create. Things than the better off. Everyone is going to be. So it's not a small fee to get that connective. When different you know, just think about like an ipad versus a phone versus a desktop machine. They're all they're all designed an have special kind of considerations for the usability of those products. And so to get something to work across all of them. I mean, that's what I want because I'm not always sitting at my desktop. I'm not always wanting to do something on my phone. So to be able to connect across all my devices and access everything at all times that to me is super interesting. Agree in in thinks things just change so quickly. Right. So you know, I was having a conversation just yesterday with a friend of mine we're talking about portraiture, and we were trying to divine you run on Wikipedia. We were trying to define what portraiture is. And we we still have been successful. But it sort of came to the the we came to the conclusion that portraiture the word portraiture came about a longtime ago, right? When when people were take e had a portrait session, and you went for many weeks to sit for your portrait than they worked on it. Whether it was a sculpture or or art. But now things are a little bit different things have changed. Right. So do we need like from your opinion? Do we need a new set of words to describe the stuff that we're doing, you know, even if a talker portraiture landscape, mackerels, all these things are fluid. A because there's there's many different ways to do things. And as you said, there's the whole composite side of things, you know, do we do we need new words, or should we just, you know, forget about labels inches? Move forward and create art. I think I think you're right. I mean, I think it's fluid, and it's always going to be fluid. Always it always has been fluid. Right. We've moved from four by fives or eight by tends to four by five thirty five millimeter to mobile devices and everything and it's going to continue to evolve as technology evolves. Go Caballero will evolve as well. So I think just to have maybe a bit of a broader mind when you use your vocabulary that might encompass additional things for me for because you asking about the future as well. I think for me one of the really exciting things is. You know, how some of the things that I didn't really care to do. I mean, I don't I don't really want to sit in have to re touch every pixel. And so now all of a sudden we've got like white room where I can do things so much more quickly and so much better. Honestly like to to be able to process because I do believe that making the image. Right. Whatever you capture that is definitely half of the equation. But the other half of the equation is what you do after that what you do in in post processing, whether that's because you're trying to get an image to look like the actual scene in which it was taken or whether you're embellishing that to look like something else. That's just you know, your personal choice. But what I've noticed in the last especially five years, and maybe something an example would be like with late room with the presets and the profiles, right? Super powerful tools that are really easy to use and help me get to where I wanna go more quickly. So for me that is also really exciting. You. You will do one of the other sort of buzzwords in the industry in many industries, you know, self driving cars, and you know, technology, or or artistic type technology, like, Photoshop, etc. Is artificial intelligence, the, you know, and but where does the line where do we draw the line or this article money was a couple of days ago? And it was you may have seen this. It was about how you know. You're gonna have to do this computer is basically an experiment this software. Artificial intelligence algorithm that was able to generate completely fake people that looked realistic. Right. I didn't see that. So that's kind of a whole nother topic. If made hours on e I'm thinking, more of of artificial intelligence in our products such as key wording. I mean, I. Sleigh. Like, I spent my first sabbatical I spent three weeks back in the way back machine keyword in my entire image library. I don't care to ever do that again. So when I see something like adobe sense, which is what we're calling our artificial intelligence writer like being able to find all of the images that have a puppy or a seal or something in them anything that can help me I love or in Photoshop more. Specifically, it would be like, you know, we have select subjects so that was trained through a I or the the auto button in light room classic. You know to auto tone images that was trained using millions of photographs. So things like that. They are going to help me be more productive be more efficient. And so I totally embrace that technology, and I think like all technology in a weather. We use it for good or evil. We just have to see how that turns out. But for me anything that can help me with the mundane kind of busy work of autocracy. I'm more than happy to let 'em. Artificial intelligent, personal assistant helped me out there. Venus with computers are flora supposed to make our lives or technology in general is supposed to make our lives easier. Not harder and more complex because we still have to come up with a creative ideas. Right. Our vision. It's our message. We're the ones who are trying to communicate something to other people. So I don't think they're going to replace that anymore. They they can help us. But but they're not coming up with the ideas. You know, we'll have to do another interview at some point where we talk about the implications of AI because like you said any tool can be used for good any. All right. So in humans in are known to be to do both. So, you know, there's a lot of stuff going on with this deep fake stuff in, you know, everything. So we'll talk about that another time. But I wanna talk about color and Chris amazing. Like, I said, you you you give yourself. These projects have been you make amazing bodies of work. The latest one is all about color. Tell me about that one. You know, and what was the impetus of of this project? It's called the color of place is okay. Tell me about the color of place. Okay. So so for those of you who don't know much about me. So I do have a background in psychology. And I've always been interested in the study of human behavior, and sort of mar specifically like how how things in our environment or how external things can influence how we behave and how we act and how we think and at the same time, I have always liked photography, of course. And and more as a as a way of self expression, right? And maybe to gain south awareness and reflection. Like, I did a project once just on. Trying to figure out, you know, just taking a picture everyday. Like, so many people do and it's a great project because then if you look at that body of work afterwards, you can really start to see the relationship between what you photograph where you photograph. How you feel when you photograph? So it's not involvement a psychology and photography kind of that pairing. That's really interesting to me. So an my dad, and my mom, of course, played a big role in this. So my my mom is a graphic designer and she was a silk screener. And so that's a very additive process. Right. And for me what I realize now is that in my photography because I was always taking very graphic images. And I didn't know why. And I was feeling like, oh, well, you know, I'm not getting that epoch landscape. I'm taking this little detail over here. Why is that? I think it's because about additive process in the influence on my mom where she only included things in her designs that were critical to the design. So she filtered everything else out. He and my dad he also lives tiger fee. He's an engineer. And so. When we would go photograph together. Of course, the only thing I wanted to do as a teenager was take a picture that was different from my father, down course. What you do at that age. Right. So it's kind of these two influences that that also can help bring this body of work together. But. I joined the Dobie a long time ago for those of you who don't know like ninety two I was in technical support, and then user education, and then I took this job of Angelism in the reason that I tell you that is because that led me to be on the road, a significant portion of my time, and like you mentioned earlier Frederick that limit taking pictures out the window plane because that's where I was finding my inspiration reliving the. I was it was either or a conference center or hotel room or the back of a cab, you know, getting from one place another. And so the thing is is that that taught me a very important lesson which was you need to weave in your photography, especially if you're not doing it full time, you need to weave it into your life like your daily life, like it's really easy to pick a project, and I have some of these where you know, you have to travel to exotic places, and you have to be there. Exactly the right time of day. If you're getting Northern Lights, or whatever it is you're doing, but how do you as just a normal human being also involved photography on a daily basis? And so even though it seems like, oh, you took pictures out the plane window will that's because that's where I was or I did another book called passenger seat which was motion blur out the window of a car. But again, that's where I found myself. So even though you might not saying that you have like something really interesting in. That's really accessible everyone does because everyone lives a different life. I mean, you might have. I don't know you might have. Test horses or something or or farm. I mean, everyone has different experiences. So I guess this is just the latest the color place project is just the latest in these series of personal projects that I've tried to weave into my life in the what's the what's the ultimate goal. Julian is down the road. You see a, you know, a volume one the book of Julianne cost in all the projects that you've done over, you know, a certain time span and then leading into next one you you ever planned to put them all together and make them available or you just gonna keep Molly yourself, and I don't know. I don't they all go together or not, you know, it's kind of goes against what we think of is traditional photographer who is known for one specific style. But I find that. Maybe i'm. Maybe my attention span, isn't that long? I mean, I love to create bodies of work. But just because I create when doesn't mean that I have to do that forever. I'm okay with saying, you know, what that body of work is done. And that's what so this color place that is definitely falls into that category. Like, I'm I'm done. So when I do take on a project a lot of times, I will do a few things in order to help me just define the project. I always try to work backwards from a project. I find that's really helpful. So with this project. I thought right. I need to know more about color will actually let back up one more step. So what I was really thinking. When I started the project was why when I go to some locations, do I take better images. Basically. I mean, I was looking noticing that when I went to Berlin was a three day trip. But I I somehow managed to take a a very cohesive unified body of work. And then when I was Antarctica it happened the same way. And so I started. Wondering why were those two locations really successful? Whereas when I went to the US Virgin Islands like I was not successful. At all. I couldn't even find the images later to make really a color place from that location. And so I started analyzing my images, which I think is super important for everyone to do not only analyze the good ones. But also compare them with the bad ones and figure out like, okay. I won't call them. Good and bad. That's kind of judgy. But let's say the ones that you think are more successful in the ones that you think weren't as successful. Like look at those ones that aren't as successful in trying to figure out why. So the common theme that became very obvious. Very quickly was color in mind. Like when I was in locations, it had muted colors or similar colors, monochrome, whatever lack of color lack of saturation. I was much more successful taking images there. But see there's you know, what I wanna to dive into is. How do you see that? Right. Because like you said you have a background in. I mean, you've you've had parental units. That were creatives, you know, which influenced you presumably and in your fantastic artist. You see color, you understand composition all those things. But new photographers that are coming in Neil, maybe afraid of color or may not understand the impact in the power of using color, and some people even go so far as you know, I I'm a black and white photographer only, I only see the world and shades of grey, right? So because they're afraid of color, in some cases, you know, they're afraid right? Not in all cases. Not at all cases. Yes on art. Of course, of course. Black and white is fantastic. But some people shy away from color because they're not exactly sure how to leverage it in their own work. You know, we're not going to solve it in this this interview, obviously. But what are some steps that photographers can take to see better in color into sort of change the way that they're looking at the world. So that they see like, you said, the muted colors and more vibrant colors. How can they get that sense of color in? A place. I think it just takes study. Right. So when I define this, and I started working backwards. I said, okay. So I want this project to be I decided I want to print them really large like I wanna print him like six feet. So that determined the size of the images that I had to work with. So I knew I was going to be working with really large images. I also defined. All right. How many images are going to be in this body of work? So I thought right. Well, I want twenty five from all over the world. So I'm going to pick twenty five locations. And then I thought all right. So then how long is this project gonna take you and gave myself six weeks 'cause I just said I can't I can't do this forever. I just need to learn about color, and I also gave myself some reading assignment, so I bought some books and some of my friends, I of mentioned the project in recommended some some books, but most of it honestly was online rating just about color theory and complementary colors in split complementary colors and things like that. So this whole concept of you know, if I was if you're free to use color. I don't know if you're. Afraid to use color. They just haven't found the colors at work for them yet. So the color. I mean for me why I would use a color photograph is because it's going to it's going to reiterate the message that I'm trying to drive with the color. So that's why I think sometimes when people start applying presets they look at a photographer's work in start applying these presets as they love that work. And then they realize, you know, it's it's not working with my images will because it's not just color. It's the way that the color plays with the subject matter. So if you know color tells a story, and you can look at a lot of cinematography, they the way they color grade. They're the mood lease, you know, if you wanna tell a story that's bleak and in the future than maybe you're gonna use some green tones, and you're going to really dial back the century Shen. So it's just really starting to look at color because as you use those presets, for example, if you if you've got like a really happy little baby, and you're using some futuristic. Bleak. Preset on it is not going to go over. Well, right. So it's a balance of the content as well as as the color will unless you're doing like, a Shuki film or something then. Exactly, there's there's always exceptions. I'm saying abroad as a broad statement, look at the content. Look at the way people are dressed, right? Like if they're dressed in supermodern closed than than maybe an older like a preset. That's kind of aged isn't isn't gonna look look as good as maybe a modern more modern preset. Do you Juliette us taking not you're obviously, a you said something that really, you know, of resonated with me, you use to begin with the end in mind, and you define you put the you put your project in a box and use the word project because we've been talking about personal projects on this week in photo. But you talked about projects from a body of work standpoint. It's like which I like to have better. You know, you're creating a finite compartmentalized body of work versus personal project. Sounds like okay. I gotta go build a a, you know, a tree house in the backyard, right? This is the body of work. It's just a small body of work and by defining it, then you you don't have project creep, right? Because once I define all these things. I am limiting the scope. I mean, I could tell a class of students that go out and take a twenty pictures, and you know, some students would just go out and take another ones would be lost like of what? Right. So you have to sit there and go cable, let's just narrow it down. Like, I told you to take twenty pictures of of chairs, at least you have a theme. So when I define a body of work, then I also do little things to really help push that body of work along. So for example, you know, once I've defined how many in and all that I would make those collections in light room. So in this case what I did is is I took for the colors of place. I took fifty of my favorite images from each shoot. That I thought best represented that location guy. So I took those images, and I put him in a collection in light room. And so now I have twenty five. Different collections and every time I finished one, I would color code it. Be like check I'm done. And that gives me it gives me like this vigil representation of I am doing this. I am moving this project forward because sometimes you know, if projects if you don't if you don't set a duration. I don't know it gives like an intensity to for me. And I make sure I tell a few key people. So that I've gotten this, you know, this deadline. I told our social media people like I want to have this done by January. And I told a friend of mine. This is what I'm gonna do. Now offset and I'm held accountable. No. So how's that going as well? It makes me make better choices of what I do with my time. Speaking of time, are you are you doing multiple of these, you know, body of work projects at a time or do you just set yourself on one tangent? It's linear onto the next one at how do you manage that? I always try to have more than Lyon because just life happens. And you knew can't always do the project that you have intended you. So I always find it's really good to have more than one project is also sometimes it's just maybe you're, you know, you're thinking ahead of your skill set or something, and you just need to set that aside while you do maybe a smaller project that will help you with maybe one aspect of a larger project. Do you? Photography. I mean, it's a continuous education. Right. It's not like it's not like you go to school for year in in your done here. Like, I know photography like no way. I hope not. I hope I haven't I opened. I haven't learned everything we're we're all practicing, right or broadcast. Exactly hurt. I love it. I love it will cool. This is this is fantastic. If people want to take a look at some of these bodies of work that you put together. What's what's a good location? Where you've got them serve all corralled together for easy consumption. Okay. I'll have to. So if you're interested in looking at the bodies of work that would just be Jay cost dot net. So that's an adobe portfolio that I've put together, and that's really easy to go to. And then if you want to look at more about like Photoshop light room, and how To's in instruction that would be my blog. So that's blogs dot W dot com slash j cost. JK OS team. Julianne cost. It's a pleasure. It's been a pleasure isn't way too long you, and I are gonna have lunch very soon and has been too long. And it's been great to see you. And thanks again for having me on the show. You're welcome. Thank you so much. I'll talk you said, okay.

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He joins US and then did you watch the XFL this weekend they had at least one idea the NFL should steal immediately. And I'm not not talking about the kickoffs that and more in this hour again which starts right now with that man that Prescott he threw for a career high. Four hundred four thousand nine hundred yards this year. Secondly behind Jamie's came up one yard shy of matching Tony Romo for the most in a single season in team history. He also threw a career high thirty morning. touchdowns fourth of the League joining Romo as the only quarterbacks with thirty passing touchdowns in a season in cowboys history on the total. Qbr over seventy seventy point. One one was fourth in the NFL. Second time he's had a quarterback rating of at least seventy in his career had a Qbr of seventy seven point six his rookie year. which begs the question? Why why doesn't he have a contract? A cowboys President Steven Jones was asked about the franchise tag possibilities over the weekend and said quote. Our goal is to avoid it. We want to get a deal done. WE'RE GONNA roller price leaves. And when these things get they get done but both sides have got to be in place we think we're within shouting distance of getting something. Done the obvious assumption. One makes from that sentence is that at least even Jones doesn't think they're within shouting distance. Let's shouted keyshawn Johnson. Our Buddy is with us live from Bristol. It'd be down here in our studio later this week. Good to see it was always key and one of the things that has come up is if they can't get a deal done here. I've had a lot of people at my desk. Tell me that Prescott do Zeke did and hold out. What do you well? I think that eventually deal will get done it may not get done until summertime but it franchising him will allow you to negotiate long-term i. I don't think that as a quarterback that you hold out like a running back like a wide receiver defensive player because you're you're the key guy that is particular football team now. Let me take into consideration. The offense will not change because killing more will be calling the plays. There'll be some things that are in there that McCarthy brings to the table. I would say this offense is probably going to stay about ninety percent of what it was the last couple of years holding out for him really doesn't do anything negotiations as we all know whether it's been in television or those guys on the panel with you right they're negotiating contracts and football. It takes time in pressure points. Come March is a pressure point deadline headline Jones. A pressure point did lie so you got all their time in between to make a decision on what your long term goals are going to be key and let me. Just throw this at you. Because I mean the cowboys. Cowboys have the leverage. If they decide a franchise him they don't have to face any other pressure point. If they don't want to the only leverage left deck would have at that point would be to do what Zeke did go to Kabul and say. Okay you WANNA start this whole new era without your quarterback. Good luck to you why you are right but at the same time I think not only does his sign understand. Stan what's going on in Dallas cowboys. Understand what's going on quarterbacks. Don't hold out I mean what was the last time. We quarterback a starting quarterback of a team that has an opportunity to maybe make a run into the playoffs. Hold out they don't they just don't do it. Plus on top of that. He doesn't WanNA face the scrutiny. That that will be there it's GonNa be if he holds out people are going to start to say he's selfish. You Know Oh my God look what he's doing to the team. He's a quarterback. He should know better. Tom Brady will never do this as Peyton. Manning would never do this Russell Wilson. Whenever do this this is the thing that you have to understand when you DAK Prescott so I don't believe at all and I understand it's fascinating for us to have these conversations but I don't think for one bit? There's going to be a lengthy hold out in this situation. Greenie more from keyshawn in a second but cliff win teaches. said the whole thing about quarterbacks hold out you said that's part of the problem. Yes why explain that for this part of the problem because they expect you to be there for one. He brought up some some some players. You Know Oh Bob Russell Wilson and all those other guys those guys have never been in a situation like this as well right. They extend those guys years in advance. So of course they're never in those situations but in this particular situation Getting Franchise I think that has all the levers because you want your quarterback and if you apply that pressure of saying hey. I'm not going to be there. You know these next few months. Well Ah does your season off for a while. I've been franchise and they put mine. They held mine off the Franchise Tag. They held my day off until June. You can't do that with a quarterback back. You gotTa have a quarterback there for the off season workouts. You need them there because part of what that salary encompasses. It's not just the fact that you're the most important player on the field. It's the fact that you're the leader of so that's why we're going to give you the extra couple of million dollars that everybody says you're overpaid for and he shouldn't get that leadership. It's when you hold out. There's two things that can happen either. The Teen Commissioner more and they'll want to get it done and get you back or can anger them in infuriate. I'm curious to see how that goes with Jerry with the fact that he doesn't show up. If that's GonNa put your forcing we need him or if that's going to then flip it the other way and say hey we negotiate in good faith we want you there because as I read that quote again for the second time today I read it more closely. And he's saying both sides have to be within shouting distance of each other. He's saying right now. They're not yeah. I think they've negotiated to a point. Point in having really moved off of it since about September October. I think that's probably talking about. Depends if he if he doesn't show up for their April program again that would not be a holdout holdout franchise do wouldn't be under contracts. We didn't sign it even if he was April and May are voluntary. So we can't say hold out we can but we shouldn't say hold up one point audience. These guys are talking about absolutely keyshawn says quarterbacks. Don't hold up is the first time for everything. If he did it it would be seismic. It would tell Patrick. Mahomes John Watson and you can do this and you can get away with it because you have more power than people will realize and then people in your position have been willing to exert in years past. I mean look. The precedent was set last year. With Zeke I get. He's not a quarterback but I mean he's in Kabul they controlled him in a way it's contractually in a way they absolutely don't with Jack and they made a deal with him while he was down there. Well Nice guys get glass and also you can throw running doc ID right. Before the end of the season you cannot do that. Water starting quarterback another name into this makes. It might not Tom Brady. Okay one of the biggest questions heading into into this obscene is where Tom Brady will end up. Signing Michael Irvin was on w. e.. I in Boston recently and discussed very interesting possibility of the cowboys trading trading deck in signing. Brady here's what he said voted Miami severe significant people and I had some conversations Y- Meaning in that same pressure and it was shocking. I mean I had had a boxer cranberry my head and they said it to me. I put the drink down. Let's talk a little. It's very important. That the vodka cranberry was part of this Earned went on twitter Sunday to clarify his comments. He said I never said Jerry or anyone in the organizations Shen said this to me. It was not anyone with the Dallas cowboys. So let's bring keyshawn back in here at keyshawn. Can you see Brady going to the cowboys. What's your reaction to all? Yeah I don't drink vodka. cranberry just just so that you know no. I can't see him going to any team other than the team that he's been with his entire career rear which are the New England patriots. I know fascinating. I know we want to talk about it. Because he's taking it to the point where it's going to get two free agency. He teased everybody with the with the super. WHOA commercial we? Everybody kind of gravitated to that ran with that at the end of the day. A guy like Tom Brady. Who's been with an organization's entire career doesn't leave unless team doesn't want him and that's not the filling in New England the New England patriots? Tom Brady back. They're gonNA give him a contract. He's going to sign fine. You'll be there for some sort of OTA's minicamps and he'll start the season trying to get back to the Super Bowl. The New England patriots. That's a very important point to make that. We always always will point out. Well look at all these guys who finished their careers and other places Joe Montana Peyton manning etc those were different circumstances yes correct. We're ready to move move on and in this case. It's not obvious that the team has made me bill. Belichick is ready to move on and we don't know we don't have any indication of that right then right. Our understanding is that the Patriots will make an effort right to bring him back. Yes and so. He's saying almost the same thing you said. which is you've been in twenty years in one place? The chance of wanting to leave that circumstance seems unlikely to you. Yeah I think a slip. I I mean we talk about all the different things at Tom Brady has been able to do. We all know here that it's extremely hard to play one organization right for for a a long period of time. Tom Has been doing it for twenty years. He set up so much stuff there. We're talking about. TB twelve one of his workout facilities is right next to the dog on practice facility. Nobody the NFL has that gone. So why would you get up and leave and I don't think those guys want to. They want to they want this thing to be legendary. It messes up the legendary story. If Tom Decides ties he wants to go play somewhere else. And let's not forget this. I mean they were a week. Seventeen victory over the Miami dolphins away from being the number two seed really one playmaker. You're on offense away from being legit again. It'll be able guard double teams down the field and they have a very very very experienced roster. We don't call it old experienced. Asa astle with that. They could probably run this thing back for another year or two and that would give them the best chance to win spoiler alert. They're the oldest team in the NFL. Let's bring playmaker back into this heat. Is there any and you played for ballot check. Is there any question in your mind. He wants Brady back he absolutely wants Brady back. We'll never we'll never hear bill belichick say that because it's just it's not his style he never pats anybody on the back. Why you're playing for him is always feels? As though there's this tension between player and Bill Belichick when in fact fact that's never the case he's just that's just his personality he he's not going to say. Oh I got to have Tom Brady back. Got He's GonNa do it privately with the owner primarily really with whoever his guys are within the organization. And that's pretty much it. I think when you think about it though green fellows Joe Montana left to go to the Kansas City chiefs because Steve Young was right behind him but also hack. It was his quarterback coach with the San Francisco. Forty honest became the offense coordinator with the Kansas City chiefs. So there was nothing changed. Their the office was the same. If Tom Brady was go somewhere else he would have to learn an entirely new offense at forty nine years old or whatever you'll be forty three in August air. Josh mcdaniels might get a head. Coaching Ching job. And we were all putting maybe Brady and mcdaniels together going somewhere new. That is not the way this wind up going. We'll talk about another quarterback here. Let's talk about Baker Mayfield field coming off a stand-out rookie. Year Baker Mayfield experienced a sophomore slump. Twenty nine hundred to say. The least. He had the worst touchdown reception ratio in the sport. Six ten season is it. The browns and their new front office of came out in support of him. Stephen has some questions what hell is all of this stuff. The massaging charging up Baker. Mayfield what you've done you twenty two touchdowns twenty one in the bottom line is this. He can play. I'm not knocking and Baker Mayfield. I know he's not a scrub but my God to sit up the soak up all the adulation and to produce so little and for folks to have this insatiable appetite to continue to support him. What are you going to do next? Put a pacifier in his mouth. So hey you could listen to it all day. Be John Your thoughts. Well I mean you have to support your quarterback. We need a new general manager and a new head coach. He got to give him an opportunity to to prove you wrong. I mean you don't want to come in. There is start off like the tough guy and you better do this and you'd better do it this way or else we're going to get rid of you you you just kind of let it settle down a little bit see what he is as a player. I mean you obviously have watched him over the last couple of years. So you know what type of quarterback he could be on both sides. Good good and bad. And if you're worth anything as a coach you try to maximize his talent as much as you can and then you see what it is you know midway through the year if it's not working out and then you start having that conversation about well maybe I'll go look to do something which you certainly want to pat him on the back. You don't want him coming in there. If feeling like the world world is against him yet graziano he's eligible. Baker is for an extension after next season. I think what keyshawn saying is really important. Here we gotta give him some time but either way just the likelihood in your mind of the browns may be moving past him or what could they do here to maybe help Baker right now. Yeah I think it's too soon obviously to move past Baker Mayfield. I think when you talk about Higher Kevin's defence is the head coach. One of the things. The browns liked about him is his background in. Minnesota is not. He's not bringing in one system right. He's worked in a a number of different offensive systems with a number of different quarterbacks. So too key Shawn's point. This is a coach. They can take a player. What does he do? Well how can we build it around him. So I think that's probably three point one and then you know earlier in the show. I was a cliff. I think the suggested bringing in a veteran yes be with Baker and maybe push them a little bit. I think knowing what we you know about Baker and his competitiveness. That's probably not a bad idea. I mean he's known for having a chip on his shoulder right. That's been his whole thing. He has a tip on her shoulder. You wants to prove people wrong. Well guess what. If that's how he performs at his best bringing veteran quarterback that's GonNa push them a little bit that's GonNa make that's GonNa make him better himself in all aspects of the game but also just learned from that better than as well. It's nothing harder than to go into a system to attain and not really know how to lead these grown men. You know I know for myself. I had been a veteran that came came in and taught me how to be a pro is play. Football is another thing to be a couple of pro so having somebody like that pushing it would be a different thing into this constitution. Here Look I've been heavily critical of the browns end of Baker. Mayfield all through the season because it was a mess in the two seasons that he has been their starting quarterback. They've won thirteen games in the two seasons uh-huh prior to that. They one one one in thirty one. He became the quarterback of the worst franchise in American Professional Sports. And it wasn't close. You made this point earlier earlier. He is now on his fourth head. Coaches played two seasons. I get that we think they put a lot of great talent around him and they did at least in the in the in the names on the back of the Jersey but the offensive line was terrible. The head coach clearly didn't seem to have any idea what he was doing. So I'm not absolving Baker of all responsibility for what happened but the notion ocean. You would be even considering giving up on him at this point strikes me as ridiculous and I believe in his rookie year. He threw more touchdown. Passes Peyton. Manning did as a rookie rookie. He was very good so as a general manager as head coach. You just want to be able to see the upside. What is what is good is this player can be now? The second piece of that is how do we get into into that to play there for sixteen games each and every year a lot of that goes in to the players you put around this stability in the front office and then also having one head coach for warriors two or three years maybe even more than eight games. He's been he's been there two seasons he's now on his fourth head coach and none of that is him right. Sometimes you say well. These guys are coach killers. None of that is most of that. The seeds of that were sown long before he got so anyway again. I'm not suggesting he's going to be the greatest quarterback quarterback that ever lived. Forgive them you've got to give him a chance at this point. We'll have more football as we go but let's keep keyshawn here for the Basketball Congress. Sneaky big news actually Greenie from the NBA. Despite light watching the Lakers game courtside with Jeanie Buss last week veteran guard Darren Collison has reportedly decided to remain retired will not return to the NBA this season. Here's here's what Ramona. Shelburne and Brian winward had to say last week after the Lakers decided to stand pat at the trade deadline. They were very focused on not Disrupting their culture. Okay not disrupting this this brotherhood that they built not just over the course of the season but especially so in this last week. Where are the best in the NBA? I don't know what you you know you can tell it. The RAMONA's describing is important. And I don't know what I would have done if I was rob Pelinka because I still feel like like the Lakers are a player short. Sean Vernon did this. Darren Collison things get maybe a little more attention than it even warranted. Considering where the Lakers. Actually Dr Yeah and the Lakers are a really good team there. In first place in the West and Darren Collison is GonNa make a huge difference what he provides his death and your concern is the wear Tara this long NBA season. We're sixty four percent through the regular season right now. What they're asking Lebron the number of minutes that they're logging and then the oldest team in the NBA Keyshawn back into this conversation for an answer to this as well? He also radio show there in Los Angeles. You obviously having these conversations every single day. He'll ask you the same question I asked. Ask Sean earlier this morning. If you want to check something that matter to you on the outcome of this. Do you like the Lakers to win the championship as constituted. I do I think that if we can and get our play from the second unit and weakened somehow get Rondo to SORTA Kinda be playoff Rondo as he's been nicknamed and if we can get called coups La to start knocking down shots on a consistent basis in planning a little better defense with the second unit. Our frontline guys. I'm not too worried about is the second unit. That scares me a little bit. As as we get toward playoff push is saying Yun is the reason why I look at the clippers. The Clippers second unit is far more productive than the Lakers second. They affected the most productive active second unit and all the NBA Liederman scoring they need rebounding admits. And let's not forget they've played twice. You know who's won both times the clippers have and one of those games without Paul. George Look I think these are the two best teams in the Western Conference by far Utah and Denver obviously are playing better But I think the Lakers and the clippers. It is to team race in the western conference right now to see who's going to potentially play the box at the NBA finals time. Do you worry at all about the low though on Lebron Brian Right now for sure. Do He's thirty five years old. How can you not I mean? He look he superhuman. And we heard Conor McGregor say he. I learned how to invest in my body because Lebron James this is done over the course of his career. There's nobody in the league that has done a better job. Maintaining their level of fitness Other than Bobby Carpenter on. Get up what you look at it. I mean Lebron Lebron puts in more work than anybody can withstand all of this. Yeah he can ages undefeated and eventually it gets you and I hope it doesn't. We have to talk about the bobby photos. But that's a separate conversation quickly. keyshawn there in LA LAKERS CLIPPERS. Seven Games in late. May who wins. I'm probably going to go with the Lakers. and Nissim Greenie. I'm a homer so I'm just a home but I think cook them. Getting Marcus. Morris obviously adds something to them. In terms of a little more edgy and toughness outside of Rondo on our team lebrons not that tough guy like that people know his style of basketball good ball. He's rough guide. That'll go to the company. Give you an elbow. That's the markets more. We gotta find that guy on the Lakers. We gotta find a guy somewhere and I don't know if he's we are right now. He's great to see we'll see down here a little later this week. Thank you for jumping in with us. This morning I liked the way. He calls the Lakers Fan. I like it best it still as we continue here coming up. One of Mitchell trubisky. His teammates strongly added back this weekend. You'll hear why the bears must investigate other quarterbacks in and should that start with Cam Newton plus if you missed it late Friday. There was a play that enraged deigned Lillard. We'll tell you why the NBA has a problem because he was absolutely right. All right get up on. 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E seventy eight is only going to write in five minutes. Is it time for the bears to make some tough decisions at quarterback. We'll talk about it. Plus the fallout from terrible miscall in the NBA the other night and his Washington in plays at the number two spot in the NFL draft will answer those questions more as we continue next get up on ESPN AT IBM problems. Inspire us to push the world forward. That's why so many people work with us on everything from city. Traffic to ocean. Plastic smart loves problems IBM. Let's put smart to work visit. IBM DOT com slash. SMART to learn more a lot of this morning talking about young quarterbacks a succulent Mitchell trubisky bisky he and the bears won the NFC north in two thousand eighteen and then in his second full season as a starter key and they took a step backwards last year. The only qualified quarterback in the league to average fewer than ten yards per completion. At least one teammate. However very much has is back to see what Prince Amukamara said quote? You heard it here. In trubisky we trust plus coming from the guy who sees him work hard. I know what he has in store. I still feel like he played great I last year and I think he's our guy he said that the TMZ Eh Graziano is he their God. They want him to be but I don't think they're one hundred percent. Sure that people in that building we'll tell you we've seen the great things he can do. It's a matter of him. Getting consistent with his mechanics is decision making et Cetera et CETERA. So so what what princess articulating. There is a feeling that they do have on that team. Like Hey we we've you've seen it. We know what he can do. We can get behind this but we're heading into year four and there are still consistency questions. So I think you're looking at a interesting. We've been talking about flex points there at one with quarterback. I think they've probably bring a veteran. And this leads to read the same situation as Ryan Tannehill or Marcus. Mariota was in down in Tennessee. See where you'll love the guy. He works his up. Everybody really wants him to be the man but the inconsistency just kills you and so you see the ups you see the downs and to me. I could see the bringing in a guy like Andy Dalton to me. The perfect control quarterback everybody's looking at the last couple of years where he struggled his first five years. They made the playoffs. The Cincinnati Defense all teams under twenty points a game. He was forty five and eight green. You know what the bears defense holds. Yeah Tina Gay rights put him in there. It probably went in twelve games. I get A lot of quarterbacks are GONNA win a lot of games when defense doesn't give up a lot of points but your point is well taken turn it over here. Here's what I'll say here's what I'll say. I was very critical last year of Matt. Nagy the head coach of the Beers because if you watch Mitchell trubisky play. He should be playing Josh Allen plays he should be playing. The offense should not. That's not what the offense Matt Nagy want. Matt Nagy as an Andy Reid disciple he wants. Patrick mahomes well guess what. You could have drafted Patrick wrong. They didn't they took Mitch trubisky cliff. That's not what he does. So my question into you is if you design an offense and. I don't know that the coach wants to do this. But if you design an event that takes advantage of the thing. The guy does well which is primarily running with the ball the way they are you in buffalo to a lesser extent. Way To get in Baltimore. Do you think he can succeed for certain succeed. Because that's why that's why people love them so much right. I think a lot of times coaches get in their own way when they draft certain players. They want to try to fit this player into their system. No get your quarterback that actually plays system but if he does not play in that type of system then you have to gravitate and change up the way you do things and put him in a system that he'll flourish because it's your livelihood on Line Two and part of the reason is they're judging him being based the second overall pick in the draft if they traded up to go get this guy so those are the expectations they have. If you've taken them in the second round mid I I think it's okay but you've seen the ceiling now that he has and it's not a ceiling of Watson. It's not a ceiling homes and I think that's what's frustrating. 'cause there's probably more than Josh Allen Motto Or. Can you win with Josh Allen. I mean I think the answer is probably well. If you can't can't what are you doing. Well the question is how high is the ceiling and I think with trubisky you talk about. Titans Plan of bringing in a veteran people need to remember. They weren't necessarily giving up on Mario when they made that move. There would have been perfectly happy if Mario had taken off this year. And they never had to put Tannen. Bears are in the same situation they bring in someone like Dolphin. I also think I think bringing the veteran also just teaching him to be a pro game. You know you hear all this stuff about them. Last year they're cutting. TV's off 'cause they don't WanNa hear what the media say like that's some childish type so that's college like that that comes with this job that comes with being a top three pick. Whatever it is you know so having a veteran player in teaching them how to become a professional quarterback in the NFL is huge? So bring somebody. Nobody is to do that. I think would help them minutes now to me when you take it. And it's so talented. There's no more interesting quarterback situation in the League right now than there is in Chicago based upon the decisions they have all right. Let's talk about basketball. Let's do it Andrea Dala friend of get up making his debut for the heat against the Blazer. Sean foreign the heat's new additions contributing leading early I gue- dolla hitting Jay crowder and he hits the three one three two points in the game. Yeah he did six rebounds three assists anyway to the fourth quarter under the minute to go in the game. Blazers up by five Damian Lillard driving and crowder called for a foul if would-be reviewed. What's going on here? Oh you know the the review process works in Dame you know. He's a big fan of the review. Yeah little more on that coming momentarily you take another look there. Miami challenge the offensive Kathy. He's not happy he's mad at the review. Okay closing seconds blazers up one eleven to one away Lillard driving there he hits layup any looks for the foul doesn't get. It doesn't matter matter. Though he had thirty three points in the Blazers win one. Fifteen to one zero nine. Since the start of the new. Your Damian Lillard has been playing basketball on a completely different planet. He's averaging forty two to points per game over his last ten games in thirty four since January. I in addition he has the most thirty point games forty point games and fifty point games in in the NBA in that span. But let's do a little flashback. So Lillard was involved in a controversial. No call on Friday night. That Sean alluded to as the officials mistake clear Bolton when Rudy Gobert blocked lillard potential tying layup in the final seconds. Lillard not happy after the loss. Here's what he said about it. We did to the last. Just play the game and they miss it easy call and then they tell us is an easy no call like that was obviously not a golden causes of all right so you heard him there saying the officials admitted that the golden should have been called the plane not reviewable. Why is this not right? Like why can't they get it right. Sean here's the problem. If you review that play okay. Let's say the situation is exactly what it was. You Review that play and you stop the game healing okay. Well let's review it. And they determined it was not a gold ten and nobody had possession of all then it would go to a jump ball situation so you go. You have to go and say okay. We're GONNA jump all here. I don't care you can breakdown move. The rural ways written. That was the easiest play to see. There's nothing did he. Did he get some of the arm or was it all. No no no no. That was a gold ten. It hit the backboard before it was contacted that the accountability in the lack thereof by fficials has to be rectified. This this is what we wanted to get the football guys in this conversation as well. 'cause it's a larger issue and to your point about how easy it was to see and credit to our guy. Brian Ruko who was on the call of the game and was screaming in six feet away from at minimum forty seven feet okay. Three officials lawyer. It was so yes it was a badly blown call badly. Blown calls are going to happen. That's why we have instant replay my contention and I have been arguing and behalf of instant. Replay on the air for twenty years has is that instant replay has gone places. It was never designed and to go instant. Replay was not designed to make a decision as to whether it was fifty one percent certain that he made the catch or didn't make the catch the instant replay was was designed to overturn the brutally missed. Call the one HBA. One look rule there should look at the replay once and if I need to see it again the call stains if I if I can tell you from one look at it that it was missed you do it and so nine Pinon this whole notion of challenges and certain things being reviewable and others not it. It doesn't make any sense. There should be one person like they had in the XFL sitting there on a boat. Somewhere saying I see it. It's clear change it and let's get on with our lives. I think we have taken something something. That shouldn't be that complicated and made it very difficult and putters can handle losing. When it's a fifty fifty call like you talk about is it arm ball was was it not but either are you in or out of balance the ball at the backward did it not and I don't know why you can't just have somebody Greenie like you said we don't need to stop the game and have the officials go over and look under a little hood or watch some screens? Somebody should be up there. Ball clearly. Hit The backboard. Put it down go. We'll continue to play here. Let's show you the most famous one of these. Obviously they came a year ago. I would lead to a rule change in the NFL. The candle everybody eight right. We spent all year which we hated this rule. Change all year long. Because you don't have to make a change to in order to be able to correct something like this head club. I agree. I mean some so- plate like that you should be able to see that but it goes back to what you were just saying is is accountability like everybody else is accountable. Go for their actions on that football field or on that quarter whatever sport it is but then it seemed like the rest. Don't have that accountability and it's easy to see more times than not for players as well worked hard to let the REF dictate something so easy to make you lose a game. These guys are playoff run right now and they could easily be out of it just because at one gay. Who Do you think can fix this though Sean well? Human error is part of this. And we've got to be careful here because we're talking about Major League baseball on a strike zone and let's have a robot basically call strikes. Okay it'll be consisted. I guess but I like the element of human error. The problem is you have three officials out on the on the court so that you can avoid the obvious and this goes back to green point. The obvious should be obvious. And if you are a professional official bill and you blow a call like that I think again I think a suspension should be put into place for one game that whole crew one game suspension. You blew a call that changed potentially change the entire the outcome of a game. Or you've got to sit out just like a player would sit out if violence is there a way for it to be fixed quickly. Can you shoot look at it. Boom it happened because it made one hundred percent. Of course they raise Laura. I will answer your question. You can fix this I can. You always solve. I've said it a million times and it is the one look rule. We have gotten bogged down into all this nonsense about coaches strategically using their challenges. Like their timeouts because they're tied to time. That's that's that's not what this is supposed to be so that Col look in basketball. They go back and decide. Something was a two or a three after the fact all the let the play go. 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And let's look at a pressure point which could be at number two because chase young especially after the extraordinary success impact. That Nick Bosa made this year is overwhelmingly expected to be the second player taken in this draft and adding to that in Washington. The new defensive coordinator is Jack Del. Rio and he has a great history of developing pass rushers including Khalil Mack and Oakland and von Miller in Denver. But I feel like for a while there we were trying to sell shefty on maybe Cincinnati will move out of number one. It seems they're gonNa Take Joe Borough and the whole world has Washington taking chase young next but we talked this morning about how they may not be completely set at quarterback. Is there any chance you see them. Mu Either taking a quarterback at number two two or trading down where someone else needs to come up and take at number two. I think taking a quarterback at two is extremely mainly unlike Washington having spent a first round pick on the position last year in terms of trading. Down Look you have yet to pick up the phone right. I mean even if you're locked in on chase chase young and you think Oh. We're going to be loaded with first round picks and our defensive front it's going to be just like the forty niners and we're gonNA tear and then that may be the case but you have to. I answer the phone and if someone calls an offer some crazy package of future first round picks you have to at least think about it because Washington is not in a position where they're probably probably one player away from the Super Bowl. Look at that you mentioned not one player way. Like they need some help receivers. They could probably help. Bolster that offensive line and outside of a quarterback. I don't know if there's has anyone that is really worth maybe. Two three first round picks and so the Washington redskins they kind of have their guy for so long we heard about how to was going to be the man to is going to be the man he gets injured. His medical bill comes back clean. And he's looking good. And you're the Miami Dolphins and you think you have to jump up to get him. That's not a big drop it for the Redskins and you can pick up more draft capital along the way we'll know more about two. It's helped this week there's an important post op evaluation. It's happening this week over the next few days. We should know exactly exactly where he is if he can start to do more. Sports Related Rehab. But I think the dolphins are or the team that everybody's really looking at here in the interesting thing would be Look I think the redskins should take chase chase young because I think he's actually the best player in the strap but if they looked at the dolphins and if they said hey you're giving me an offer I can't refuse then. There is a guy like Isaiah. Simmons Simmons who is a super versatile linebacker out of Clemson who they do so many different things with and you could say maybe maybe you get him at that fifth pick or somewhere in that range. There's Jeffrey Okuda. There's also of those receivers. It's the best receiver class we've seen in some time so they could pick up other big time pieces around that area. The best thing to be in the draft is a team with a very high pick. That doesn't need a quarter right. So if they feel like they have their Guy Dwayne Haskins and again last year they took him in the first round. Then they're in a great spot they can take the pass rusher and you WanNa have pass rushers and never recipes are very important. We try to get as many as possible on the show. Correct Ward they could find a hey make your best offer blow me away to come on up to number two and I'll amass first round picks and build my team. I also think the dolphins would try to move up because all you heard last year was tank for two of them. Are they taking too well. Now now they have opportunity to go out and get to if to comes back healthy and you get to move up into that That's like a spot now. It just all depends on obviously medical situation with to do it but I would not be surprised and the redskins go out and grab whatever they will. It's important to point out that the first pressure point in the draft feels number. Three assuming the lions are going to go forward with Matthew Stafford which we don't have any reason to think they're not going to then that's the first spot if the draft goes as we think it will burrow and then chase young. That's the first people might try to trade up to the two well. Everyone knows that so if you know that might happen you may feel it. Behooves you to trade up one spot ahead of that to try and beat someone else to the punch. Meanwhile yeah let's get to one of the big stories coming out of the weekend. The view of the XFO was a lot of fun heading into the season. A lot has been made of some unique rules that the league implemented including the kickoff got got a ton of attention on social media in the League kicked off on Saturday. You see how it looks right there. But here's what you need to know about the kickoff. It has to be kicked in play between the twenty yard line in the end zone in the XFL if not the ball is placed on the forty five yard line the kicking and returned. He will line up just five yards apart at the thirty the and thirty five yard line and will not be able to remove to move until the returner fields. The kicks so Bobby you said you heard from a lot of people that people were watching it and that they liked the kickoff do you see the NFL adopting it and if so how long would that take. It's a great test case for the NFL because they move at a glacial pace. Because 'cause when you're the market leader you don't really have to respond to anything. People are going to continue to consume and watch until something else so they can. Now look at this and say hey this looks pretty good. Injuries are down. We still have that opportunity for the explosive the exciting plate shift momentum. Back you get to see some of the most dynamic athlete so I think it will probably seriously look at this in this. This is what how you operate. Kickoff Lee season in practice anyway when guys tired when they're beat up when they can't run fifty yards each and every day so I wouldn't be surprised with two two years this is the NFL rule. I wouldn't be surprised either because everybody wants to see return. You know you look back at some of those Devin Hester days like those things are electrifying. They get a team going so I wouldn't be surprised if they implement that peace. Now I think the the XFL conscious of the older folks that love to watch football. There's been playing. It says they were alimentary school in changing the rules too much because people like what they like and making those changes. Sometimes there's some pushback let me let me offer you this. The the XFL is tried to incorporate a lot of things that the NFL is trying to eliminate the kickoff in the NFL was kind of on. Its way out. Didn't see nearly as many flags. Some of the things is that you watch on Sunday. And you're like Oh this is getting a little rough the XFL seem to remedy some of those things remedies interesting word if they're keeping flags into pockets on the kind of big hits it's the NFL's trying to eliminate that points to a larger problem down the road for me right especially we don't know what the situation is in that league with the health benefits and all that kind of stuff. So that's so that's something to watch out for in terms of the kickoff if that eliminates the high speed collisions that make the. NFL kickoff a very unsafe play with regard to concussions versus other plays than obviously. It's something something they'll take a look at. It would be foolish. Not I think the most notable thing to me I liked a lot of the innovations like the kickoff. I like the way they handle the extra point it might be a little gimmicky for the NFL. But but it's something you consider in the mix the transparency on the replay review. I thought was remarkable. And that's something unless there's something I'm not aware of the NFL could due immediately. Like if there's I believe the. NFL does the best they can with their replay reviews. Its criticizes they frequently on. I think if we actually heard the conversation between New York and river on and the official I think it would make a difference. I think you'll be a positive thing. This is something I have to leave here. But it's something I'd like to talk about a little bit more as the week goes on of all the things I saw. 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The Ocho: No long-term deal for Dak Prescott

Blogging the Boys

20:00 min | 3 months ago

The Ocho: No long-term deal for Dak Prescott

"NONA. Whatever welcome to another episode of the Ocho presented you in partnership as always spn nations blogging the boys dot com are Joe show me of course from VDB from writer, humble host onto the Ocho it is Thursday the third day. July Sixteenth Two thousand twenty. We hope all is well wherever you are. We hope you're happy. Safe healthy and ready to talk about the deal. Deal that did not happen. We didn't mention this is our Thursday episode dropping late Wednesday, because the news is is out Dak. Prescott and Dallas cowboys did not agree to a long term contract extension before Wednesday's four PM Eastern deadline. What does this mean? Dak Prescott and the cowboys cannot agree to a long term contract before the start of next year's league year got. On the first track, this time didn't stumble over myself like I did on Wednesday's episode, but this is Look I WANNA call disaster I. DON'T WANNA. Be Dramatic I don't want to be hyperbolic. This is still not great. This is a not great decision. Not Great results by the Dallas Cowboys. You know we talked about the DEZ Bryant time line. If you want to call it that that happened five years ago, we thought maybe this would kind of mirror that one not. There is no new deal Prescott again. We'll play on the franchise tag. It is the. The highest individual salary cap figure quarterback in two thousand and twenty thirty one point four million dollars fully guaranteed that Dak Prescott is getting to be the quarterback of the cowboys now. Why was this a mistake? Why? Why? Why? Because we get that question a lot? Why? Why should the couch Pay Dak? ETC? Here's the reality and you have to. You have to accept. Accept, and acknowledge the Dak Prescott is a very good quarterback. Nobody is telling you nobody I'm promise you. Nobody's saying that Prescott is better than or even on par with Pat Mahomes or Russell Wilson. Maybe you WANNA throw to Shawn Watson in that mix, but guess what it does not matter. Guess what if you want a quarterback? You have to pay one now the. The reality here is the Mahomes is in his own neighborhood, and he's going to be untouched for a long time, so the whole. The next guy's the highest paid guy in NFL history thing that isn't going to happen for a little bit little while here at the very least, but the cowboys had to make Dak Prescott higher pay than anybody else if they wanNA. WanNa. This does get done because if it was your job to represent Dak Prescott in you understood the market. That's what you would ask for. That's that's the way this works. That's so business works so three tweets on you here from NFL networks, Jane Slater the first one all of this by the way it came after the deadline officially past the first one says. Says, I'm told the cowboys quarterback Dak. Prescott was involved at the last minute in an effort to get a long term deal done, but it was up against the three PM central deadline per source informed the deal was between thirty three and thirty five million dollars annually with a hundred and ten guaranteed. She added to this. The deal included a fifty million dollar signing. Signing. Bonus and seventy million over the first two years. I'm told Dak Prescott wanted to get this deal done, but it was just too late per source informed via James Third Tweet Dak. Prescott declined to clarify but disputes. Some of the details reported here tells me while he did talk to Steven Jones and try to get a deal done. He's grateful and blessed to. To be a cowboy and working and moving forward to do whatever you can to help the team win a super bowl now first things first, and if I, never exchange slater will be a guest on Friday's episode of girls, talk and boys with Kelsey. Charles and Mary so get ready for that I'm sure there's going to be excellent can't wait to hear it myself. Then there's a lot. There's a lot to unpack. Jane's one of the most inside people when it comes to the cowboys. The first thing here is that I wanNA. Talk about is the deal included a fifty million dollar signing bonus and seventy million dollars over the first two years that last part seventy million dollars over the first two years. We mentioned Dak Prescott his franchise tag value now that it is official for two thousand twenty thirty one point four million dollars, the franchise tag value for next year for two thousand and twenty one, because at the very least deck Prescott is getting. Getting tagged mixture, the cowboys didn't tag came right now and go through all this just to watch him leave for nothing next year next year's tag value for quarterbacks is thirty seven point seven million dollars, so that is approximately sixty nine million dollars that Dak Prescott is set to make if he is tagged next year on top of playing on this tag, so this whole seventy million dollars over the first two years. Thing that means nothing that DAX already there. He's already got that. That's not the cowboys aren't doing something incredible by offering him that you know what I mean, it's like. I'm trying to think of a good example here. It's like when you have a coupon for a free appetizer. Right at a place and go to the restaurant, and these are normal times. Obviously go the restaurant you sit down. You give them the coupon whatever and at the end of the meal and they try to charge this exorbitant amount for the meal. They said well we gave you you had to appetizers I? Had the appetizer appetizers I had the coupon. You know what I mean. I I. Don't think the coupons don't really exist anymore like I feel like. We started to call them codes I mean I've got the codes on. My phone's get the APP anyway. It's already there Prescott? Already effectively has seventy million dollars I'm rounding here over the next two years, so it's not like. The cowboys are making some concession there. The other thing here that is particularly interesting to me. Is Jane says in her thirds we Dak Prescott declined to clarify but disputes. Some of the details reported here and then she adds tells me why he did. Talk to Steven Jones and try to get a deal done. He's grateful and blessed of your cowboy. ETC, etc, etc now. What what details is Dak Prescott disputed, and is it important for it to be known? The DAK Prescott disputes that is. Again I'm not trying to dramatic and so don't take this. As the sky's falling, everything's on fire, the dog and the fire me whatever, but that's not good all right. That's that's not good. That has to come out and say yeah. Those details that's. That ain't really how it happened. I had a coupon. It, that's that's. That's not how it went down. and. It would make sense. Nobody would blame Dak for being frustrated here. I think a lot of people are frustrated. I am frustrated from the perspective of common sense from the perspective of being a fan of of reason and of logic. I'm frustrated in that sense, and if anybody is frustrated, goodness gracious Tad. Prescott is frustrated. In case you were somehow unaware. Even after saying his name Tad Prescott, the brother, of Dak, Prescott on twitter at eighty-six Prescott tweeted. tweeted, we wrote about this at blog. The Boys Dot Com. We also put it on the blog on the boys. INSTAGRAM facebook pages go like us on the book faces. Follow us on the grand blogging dot the DOT. Boys Tad Prescott tweet ten minutes after the three PM central deadline. There is a reason I was never a Dallas cowboys fan growing up or before they drafted deck after today. Who knows how much longer I'll be cheering for them? WHOA WHOA MISS, LIPPI! What did you say who knows how long you know? What why why? What who what do you mean? You know you can make that decision. Look. I'm not trying to say that. This means Dak. Prescott is pissed off mad or whatever the case may be, but I know that that's not good. I know that that it can't be a good sign. That Tad Prescott feels that way about what went down and it really is. You know we started here reports after the deadline came and went to the cowboys, the really really wanted to get this done right. They really did, but they just. They ran into the deadline three PM came. You know how time flies? How can you be mad at us? We you know we were trying really hard. And and we looked up and shoot. It was three o'clock man holwell how we can be mad at you cowboys because you had a year and a half you had an maybe not a year and a happen. You had over a year yet over a year I saw cal Yeoman's and Dave. Helen from Dallas Cowboys Dot. COM tweeting about this. Defend fantastic Broadway show rent. A year is five, hundred, twenty, five, thousand and six hundred minutes you had. Had over that right, you can measure it in daylight in sets in midnights and cups of coffee. However you WanNa look at you can measure a year and a number of ways and one thing you cannot do is try to pawn off this idea that you ran out of time when you had over a year to get this done and on the subject of a year this deal. Generally you know thirty three to thirty five million dollars per year, one hundred million dollars guaranteed that would have been a good deal last year, and that is the problem here. That is what we have seen. Seen and we have learned about this team in this organization time and time and time, and unfortunately time again they are phenomenal, and they've got an even better at a lot of different things I think we all agree. The cowboys have drafted very well generally, and we all are very excited about their draft class here in two thousand and twenty one thing that they are still very behind the Times on is projecting the market. You know people love to talk about the business acumen of the Dallas Cowboys, and how they're the most valuable sports franchise on earth, and that's true. All of all of. Of that is objectively true and as great business people as they are. They still seemingly cannot extrapolate in project into the future and understand what deals are going to look. We saw them make this mistake with demarcus Lawrence. They made him play on the Franchise Tag, and they had to pay more money on his annual average basis as a result of that, and that's what's going to happen with Dak Prescott, because you know what is a detail that I honestly hadn't given a lot of thought to until the deadline came and went, and it was ironic that it was at three PM central time. We heard so much that the dispute between Daqian. The cowboys was over time. We've talked about that several times here on. This show talked about on Oliver shows on the PODCAST network, right? Team Dak wanted a four year. Deal the cowboys. What are the five year deal? We all understand that okay. Let's let's pretend. Let's pretend that you and I you mean. You it is our job to represent DECK PRESS Let's fast forward. It's two thousand twenty one. The cowboys won the Super Bowl fifty five did nothing. That football season happened. Right everything's great. It's two thousand and twenty one. It's time to negotiate a new deal. Why on Earth Would Dak Prescott team is representation. Take a five year deal then when they wouldn't take one now. Why I mean why and what's more is maybe maybe this is the cowboys way of doing this. Maybe the cowboys feel like you know what. I, know I'm injecting. Some towns. I'm really not trying to say. The cowboys are being malicious here, but maybe the cowboys. You're saying you know what we want. Five years of team control over this guy, so he can have that for your deal, but he can have it next year because we want five total years of team control, so we're GONNA get. We're going to get crafty here. We're GONNA. Get sneaky, and and we heard a report by the way early on Wednesday NFL network's Ian. rapoport reported that the percentage of guaranteed money that the cowboys were offering back Prescott was lower than Ryan Tannehill. Than Ryan! I went to Texas and I think this was ridiculous. Now. You know maybe the cowboys this RJ's theory. Maybe cowboy, you're thinking. You know what we were going to get five years of control or franchise tag this year and we'll give him the four year deal he wants will up the money next year so that he gets the money he wants. We'll make it look better then and guess what happens. One plus four. RJ's math is five five years of team control. About are being boom. Call it a day. Day Fathers Team Control, we did. It will guess what if you and I were representing deck Preska next year. What I would say I would say you know what we just lost a year, so I don't want to deal. Anymore I want a three year deal, because in two thousand and twenty four years. We've lost a year because Dak played on the tag and the cowboys on the Super Bowl right. I WANT WANNA three year. Deal right now, and that would not be unprecedented. Last quarterback through all of this. We all know kirk cousins. In case you didn't know every. In the world has told you that. Kirk cousins went through the franchise tag situation when he was in Washington, and parlayed it into a deal, and what was kirk cousins and the deal with the Minnesota Vikings. It was three years eighty four million dollars. One hundred percent guaranteed again. It was three years, so if I am Dak Prescott representation a year from. From now I'm saying guess what the President is. My friends kirk cousins. He played on the tag. He did his thing. He signed a three year deal. I want a three year deal and that is what I would ask for I. Don't think that this ends well for the cowboys. I think the deck. Prescott actually got more leverage in all of this. This because his franchise tag value for next year is thirty eight million dollars. It's thirty eight million dollars. That's the that's I can't even call that the floor because the floor is obviously higher than that. Thirty eight million dollars is in the rear view window for the cowboys and think about it again. The report from Jane Slater was offered him was between thirty three and thirty five million dollars per year. Well guess what starting next year. Will you put this franchise tag out? He's making thirty eight million dollars a year. You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA lose I mean somewhere between six and eight million dollars on an annual average value basis all because you were hung up on one year. It is UN believable. And I'm really not try to make it sound like the cowboys disaster of a front office. I'm not saying that I. Don't believe that I believe. They are a legitimate front office again. I, believe they've done a lot of great things. This offseason they had an incredible drafted so many great free agency decisions, but in this particular category in this particular realm. They are not very good at what they do for whatever reason. I used to talk about this. If you've been listening to me for years now about how the cowboys approached their overall offensive game plan, this was obviously kind of Jason Garrett Criticism The Dallas Cowboys in certain ways are either extremely arrogant or extremely ignorant and I want to be clear. Being arrogant is not a bad thing. What I used to say because Jason Gareth's philosophy was I'm GonNa Roll? We're going to run the ball I'm going to run the ball on first down. I'm GONNA put a hat on a hand. You're going to have to stop us, and that's fine if you can do that, cool. Like you know if if you're having success with it, then who are we to question? The cowboys are that way in certain things, and they are that way when it comes to contract Marcus Lawrence is an example of that Dez Bryant delayed got five years as an example of that. Ezekiel Elliott is an example of that, although he kind of forced his hand, obviously and the cowboys maybe actually learned their lesson from all of this said you know what we're. We're not gonNA cave anymore. Zeke and everybody got mad at us because we cave and they said the next time we're in a position like that. We're not GONNA cave. The next time was the quarterback. That's the most important position you know it's. It's actually difficult to understand. And I know that there are people that are not believers in Prescott and that's fine, but when you look at the way, the market business of the NFL works. This was not a wise decision. This this is an insane. Roll of the dice. and. We'll see if it is planned. I don't even what what would what would be the cowboys way here right like what what would? What would be the way this worked out for the cowboys? If DAK, Prescott was really bad and the cowboys sucked. Gotcha we. Oh Yeah, we got you right where we once we went to and fourteen, and you were trash. Guests got all the leverage now I mean think about that right if the goal is to win the Super, Bowl right and I know that that's the was I know, but the goal is to win the super. The goal is to have success. The goal is. To throw five thousand yards. Those are the goals if the cowboys think think about this. The cowboys went out and hired a new head. Coach Mike McCarthy specifically to obtain those goals. So what if he is actually? The guy think he is right well Mike. McCarthy was GONNA come in here and he's going to be really good for us. Things are going to turn around. Rodway well. Guess what happens if that happens, that means Dak Prescott Awesome, and that means you're going to have to pay him so much money next year. You clearly are operating on different wavelengths in the same building. It's It's amazing. It really is amazing, but hey. We'll see what happens. I do believe if it were me I would ask for three years next year. I would not let the cowboys, and maybe you think this is a point of pride. I again. My thought process would be. We wanted four years in two thousand twenty. You put us on the tag. We want a three year deal in two thousand and twenty one and. and. If the cowboys will go to the same song and dance if we hear them that the beginning of next offseason well, the salary cap shrunk or it stayed the same. We just can't fit. Everybody and we're going to have to make some concessions. That's not Dak. Prescott fought well. We want to get him to a four year deal. He wanted a four year deal last year. Well guess what that was a year ago. It was a year ago. Things change and if cowboys do what they did now and make their offer from what should have been a year ago a year later like they did here in two thousand and twenty. It's GonNa. Go for them, but. Hey. It is what it is, we will, of course. Have you covered on all things? 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Stidham? I hardly know him!

The Morning Roast

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Stidham? I hardly know him!

"Hey guys it's Meena for started. I want to remind you to tune in to the last dance which concludes this Sunday at nine PM Eastern on. Espn you can listen to the RAPA podcast hosted by Jalen and Jacoby immediately afterwards brought to you by state farm. When you're a real deal like a good neighbor stay farms their coverage is also brought to you by eight t you can find Jalen and Jacoby wherever you get your guests. Welcome back to the Munich kind. Show featuring lenny we only podcast were one of the hosts thinks the last dance. What happens when you get on your hind legs at vague for supper? I've had some strangers on the show last week. We had corey CRAIC from the Ravens. We head Bobby Wagner from the seahawks. Today we've got an old friend Bill Barnwell from the ESPN. I should've show bill. It's been a minute go barnwell a NFL Hall of Famer checking in and it's a tough corey was really bobby after me. You haven't Bobby Wagner after me so it's tough for anyone to stack up against bobby. Yeah not great but I thought our pass it. Because I'm delighted to be back on the meantime show featuring lenny. Thank you so much you know. There's a few things I've been wanting to talk to you. In particular about two big stories one the ongoing debate about Dak Prescott his contract and I think more broadly whether or not you can pay a quarterback a. x. percentage of salary cap and still compete in the NFL. I also want to talk to you about whatever the Patriots are doing or not doing at the quarterback position but first we have to get to the big story which is the SEAHAWKS ABORTED ATTEMPT TO TRADE. I think like a sixth and a seventh for myles Garrett or the source was it loves nudes was reading. Just an incredible. Nfl Story. And I was line for like two hours. Which is you could miss. Entire new cycle started by a user. If you're off for two hours I mean this guy was. I started out so many lead up. Did you see his post on right? It like explaining how he had leveraged his first tweet about I guess credible. Then get this trader. More out there while we're by maintaining is read at handle of everyone loves nudes. I appreciate that he wanted to state shoot himself and his philosophy about but he chewed off this trailer and then never need establish a tiny bit of credibility for himself. He's like well what do I do? What would make sense? What would get me the most attention? And he's like a really terrible myles Garrett traitor K. J. right to a six and seven for miles share it widely. Make It more realistic. I made a more realistic. Might have even said it'd be on local sports radio. You had one shot at this rumor like this Dorset. Put it in that and see if you can make a viable trade rumor at least have it. Make a tiny bit of sense if you could start adding NFL trade rumor and just sit back like elmo in front of fire in watch NFL. Twitter burned to the ground. What would you start easy? Odell back to the giants yes perfect. Yes yes that's possible. See I was gonna say Rogers to the Patriots. But that's not plausible enough whereas Odell anything involving Odell. You can get some legs. Oto BACKSTA giants. Dave cattleman talks. Computer guys realized this mistake I would love it. It would be so good great drafter Dave gettleman all right. We're not going to talk about that anymore. Although the seahawks are still out there being a ca they still need an edge rusher? What they don't need is a quarterback because they've already got one they pay him a lot of money and I think most rational seahawks fans would agree. It was worth it. However according to Stephen Jones sh was not a great segue. You cannot pay your quarterback x percent of the cat and okay. I don't want to misquote him. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa read the quote. There's this is to profootballtalk. I think their pockets. There's all sorts of analytics out there the show with your qb takes up too. Big of a percentage of your salary cap cap that a decreases your chances to win. We're just trying to figure out the right fit. No one wants to sign to a long term deal more than Jerry Yadda Yadda or so the assumption is. He's referring to the oft cited statistic about the. Let's see how do I put this lack of super bowl winning quarterbacks with large contracts right as far as I know yes I mean what else? Cb timeout rate. He seems basing this on analytics quote unquote which I mean I heard. Nfl coaches refer to analytics a lot of different ways some GM's and of course. Stephen Jones is I see qualify as an owner the son of an owner of EPA. I don't know how to characterize Jones role in the cowboys organization. Titles but at the end of the day. This is just counting. It's not like advanced metrics. It's just literally saying. Oh who's won a super bowl and who has made a lot of money and I. I know you talked about this a little bit on TV There's a lot of holes in Stephen Jones argument. Well I mean the I know is that it's not analytics. It's literally it's like a small number right like we're just talking about a like if you the offsite in numbers referring to the new. Cba So the last ten years or so That's such a small sample size and there's so much randomness which teams even beyond making it to the playoffs advanced to the super bowl. What I complained about on TV. I think I've played but complained about it in every platform at this point you know you can just point to every I most setting aside. The Tom Brady thing okay. The fact that his contracts totally skewed conversation. You point to so many moments in recent. Nfl history where quarterbacks who were paid within the top ten. Let's say could should've almost made it to super bowl. Matt Ryan Case won the Super Bowl. I mean there's the Rogers NFC championship. There's drew brees and the pass. Interference is the examples. I cited but there's a ton of examples. It's just so random right and I think there is this sort of idea that this is being used as an argument to not pay certain quarterbacks and I don't think anyone out there I don't think anyone who citing this argument as a reasonable viable argument like Steven Jones. I don't think he's sitting there saying. Oh we shouldn't pay Patrick Mahomes. We shouldn't pay Aaron Rogers and his prime. We shouldn't pay Russell Wilson. Those guys all deserve their money. But the implication is that there is a tier of quarterback. Where if you pay that guy a lot of money. You can't win a super bowl with that guy and I just don't think that's really borne out by reality. I mean we saw guys who were that. Good at at a level below deck. In my opinion you're nick foles. Who Joe Flacco your man's to pick a guy Who wants rolls before? They are super bowls before this period. guys we're getting paid good amounts of money winning super bowls before this. We saw guys like you mentioned who came very close to winning super bowls. Where you know Matt Ryan was awesome throughout that entire postseason one league. Mvp was incredible in that game itself. Was You know? I don't want to get into the second half of that game in the fourth quarter of that game again it had nothing to do with Amac Ryan in that game You know I just like like this. Just one guy that Ryan winning. Brune this argument. I just don't see the strength of the DEA the FLACCO EXAMPLE. I think is a good one right. Because here's the thing. He caught binding in a bottle or whatever he he was. Awesome right that postseason rush. If Joe FLACCO had continued to be that guy they probably would've made a backdoor. He continued to play at that level. I quote tweeted this thread from Catholic. Pf Don't what your real name is going to be you. You have to call him move. That's that's what Sir. Mu Actually looked at the performance of other position groups on teams and examined whether or not they correlate to how much you pay your quarterback and he found out. He vowed that they did not right with successive. A team depends on just. Is that quarterback good right? If the Raven struggled from that point on because Joe FLACCO was bad greatly. So the lesson is that you do not pay a bad quarterback a lot of money so if you believe Dak. Prescott is a bad quarterback or an average quarterback. That is a different argument together. One that I'm happy to engage in. I don't agree with it. I think you can argue that. He is not great that he's just good that he was great last year. But if you look at his career so far there's been ups and downs reasonable. We can have that discussion. I just object to this notion that like. Oh once. Your quarterback salary hits X. percent of the CAQ. You're screwed because really bill. We're talking about differences between forget the rookie contracts between your average veteran and the top of the market. You're talking about like ten million dollars right. If you're a good jam you should be able to find the value elsewhere. Right into your point. Like Take Russell Wilson Take Russell. Wilson's career where he wants to roll on a rookie contract almost one second super bowl. You don't have to get into it but you know to to two trips on his rookie deal. If I'm not mistaken gets paid. They have not made it back to the super bowl since but you know having watched them pretty closely is that because they haven't had the money to pay it's because they've had bad drafts and injuries address in injuries. Sorry no I agree. Like they've traded some. Traffic's picks away for for players have not necessarily panned out. They have handed out some bad contracts here and there but they've mostly been pretty good they just haven't had draft picks at you know where where they had them was a tweeted out. They had four hall of famers. Enrique WH- chairman Walston Wagner and Earl Thomas and You know they did in half dilatot Thomas Go. They chose to you. They didn't have to determine kill. Maybe if you hadn't got an injured they might have kept him. But in the long run they still could have afforded to keep those guys totally and they lost April and chancellor prematurely right. They've had bad luck in the drafts with McDowell etcetera like ten million dollars if you find an elite corner or pass rusher in the draft. There you go. There's your ten million dollars right. Like this is now obviously. It's better to have a mahomes or Russell Wilson. Hundreds of course. But here's my question to you. What are the Chances Dallas is going to find that guy? That's that's the thing. That's that's the downside. That's the flip side of these jobs argument right where it's you know. It's the problem of what the cowboys did with Jerry. Jones is their personnel executive over the last twenty years or so it was basically troy aikman under Jimmy Johnson. A lot of junk like Quincy. Carter's your chat Hutchinson's and those those guys. It was drew bledsoe for a year. Then Tony Romo. They found a tunnel drafted free agent which hate happy found him But you know a guy who they did not even think was worth drafting which is telling about what they actually thought of his ability when they drafted him and then back and they drafted Dak famously after they try to get Paxton Lynch and that failed they tried to get Connor Cook and someone traded up for him and they settled back. And you know I think that gets turn out to absolutely I think. Even the most egregious DAK hater would say. He's exceeded expectations a fourth round. Pick but then. I wonder if from the cowboys perspective. They're still sitting there saying. Hey you know in even maybe subconsciously in the back of their head this idea of. Oh he wasn't even the guy we wanted so really want to commit that much money to a guy who was our backup to a backup in terms of draft options. I really think that's a valid point because draft position in the NFL follows. You write it just influences. The way coaches organizations look at players and we see it time and time again in that first round draft picks especially at a top are constantly overrated and they hold onto that for a while whereas like guys who were drafted later even if they play at a higher level. They often suffer for it down the road. It's just one of those weird things and the NFL. And I and I the way the cowboys have treated deck contractually suggests that that is happening. Now I think I agree. Look their track record of drafting and the fact that they're going to be a good team next year even if Andy Dalton was the starter there probably eight or nine win team. I think personally. I think there's the ceiling is higher deck so they're not going to be draft. They're not in the Tora Lawrence Justin fields game unless they'd have to trade a lot of picks such my question to you. Bill is okay so throw out the rookies. And then maybe as a dice roll on like a mid round guy. Would you rather have because this is really GonNa talk about the Duck Prescott thing whether or not? They should pay him questions. Okay what would they do instead? While the other alternative is to pay a guy veteran free agent like a Teddy Bridgewater trade for a nick foles. Who get in that. You know twenty million dollar range so my to you is if you're the Dallas cowboys and this is obviously not possible. But would you rather have Teddy Bridgewater at about twenty million dollars a year or Dak Prescott at close to forty and I teddy a lot but I think that has a much higher ceiling? People are giving him credit for. I mean this is a guy who was starting quarterback on an offense that was second in DVD last year. And I you know. I think they're going to be people who say hey like does matter. It's not you know either way. It doesn't matter in terms of winning. It does like at the end of the day like. That's a better predictor of wins and performance then raw data. Now the question. I'm going to ask you and I feel like this is opening up a can of worms that I am. I am afraid to open because sometimes I ask questions and then they come back become topics other people to discuss our company. Not You not you. What are the chances that you think the twenty twenty two week one starter for the Dallas cowboys is Aaron Rodgers? I take you're listening. Bill Barnwell just suggested that that's possible. No it's not out of the question that that's the cowboys two years after Ray. So if they were willing to get out of the franchise Dak for a year right and then move on. That's actually another point. I should mention right so when the cowboys say. And that's even Jones what they say At the same time Dak has to. We've tried to pay him and he has to accept what we want to pay him and the answer to that is no he doesn't. There's no recently has do because act breath got making what thirty two million or so this year on the franchise tag. He is like Kirk. Cousins Mountain is Within reach. That's right clear him he can get there and God he's GonNa get paid not only not only can he get there but he is going to hit that thirty year when the CAP is going to probably rise pretty dramatically either that year or the year after because the NFL's new TV deals all those guys this year we talked about it on ESPN daily talking about those guys who signed short term deals thinking. Okay I want to get back to free agency in two or three years for one last hit on salary. Cap might be three hundred million dollars. Two hundred seventy five million dollars was supposed to. It's a right around two hundred right now so like that's GonNa get thirty two this year. If he doesn't sign a long term deal is GONNA get thirty six or so next year and then his twenty twenty to franchise tag would be fifty four million. Which is you know like. They're not gonNA do that as punt of money in free agency so then of course on top of all that you have guys like the Shawn Watson and Patrick Mahomes who even if you think they're better than Dot Prescott and I think both those guys are better than Dak Prescott in a vacuum. Those guys are going to raise the bar for what quarterbacks can ask for it again by the way. If you're on that whole you can't pay quarterback and win a super bowl wave. So you'RE NOT GONNA pay him. Mahomes you. Where do you set that bar like? Where is because the mostly no no? You can pay a great quarterback. Well how many quarterbacks are in that group right because the your data set is includes those includes Russell Wilson who got paid includes Rogers and anyways right. I think that's the tough part. Is that with in terms of like when he was saying he has to excite one price is only going up the prayer New York. Going now cowboys. Screw this up and I couldn't deal done last year. We all did that because the only risk today at this point is drastic decline in performance. Which oh by the way they just gave him like the sickest set of office. He's GonNa Shred Okay. So that is the risk and then the other risk is injury which totally reasonable. It's why guys sign long-term extensions early every day that goes by every year. That risk declines that risk last year when he had two years left. It seemed like okay. You probably don't want and by the way. He was worse the year before the season before. So that would have been the time from the cowboys perspective. When they had the most leverage it has shrunk dramatically. He just has to get through a year to get there so like we know what he's doing we know he has no incentive to do a bad deal. He has no incentive to hold out by the way he just needs to play this year from the cowboys perspective. I just think they're options are not what people think. I mean they're great. They issue their draft accord. We've talked through the challenges there where they'll be drafting their history potentially free agent which. I haven't looked at who might be available next year. But there's no obvious contenders the low. You know going into this year. Who would have thought Rivers Brady right? I guess maybe and Janus who the heck knows what's happening with them right so I was fan. You super excited to life back. Prescott go so you can lock up James Winstons or you know like you just outrageously suggested way to use took Aaron Rodgers. That was Bill Barnwell. Copyright Bill Barring Wealth for listening and you're the producer of a talk show. I just think your risk is lower with Dak by the way into years. Let's say you saw him to thirty six million. I don't know your that's GonNa look cheap in two years. Not Cheap but reasonable. We've seen we've seen this movie right like we've seen how this plays out with quarterback contracts so you take the short term pain and then you're not on the market and it's a difficult market to beyond so here's one of the things. I WANNA say about it. If the cowboys were the Patriots and they had reputation like oh we are the team where you have to take a pay cut to play here and the Patriots have for years not only pass. Tom Brady. But also whether it's trade someone like a Randy Moss or signing some of their guys free agency they basically said hey like we can't keep everybody. We're going to let some people go but to keep as many guys here as possible because Tom Brady was taking less money. And I you know that's a whole other conversation but it can at least a little money than he could have on the open market. We're were enforcement across the board. If you're Devin mccourty you can get more money elsewhere but you have to take a little bit of a pay cut to come back here with the cowboys. It has been the exact opposite as the problem. Yes everybody whether it's Ezekiel Elliott. Whether it's Jalen Smith whether it's Amari Cooper whether it's Tyron Smith every homegrown player they've had run Mark Wright player deck on extra okay. I'm sorry I guess it's also fair but like every player every young player. They've had they've signed to a second contract has gotten a market value deal. In fact in some cases more than a market value deal allowed the contracts. They find it out going back to the PRIOR GENERATION OF COWBOYS. Players with your. You know your Marion Barber's or your Roy. Williams those contracts were overly expensive and didn't work out so when I look at what the the cowboys are enforcing here. It's sort of like we like you know you were okay paying top. Lemond and you're okay paying all these other guys Top of the market value on long term contracts. Now you're settled like. Oh we gotta be frugal now. Have to keep things with doc of. You're starting quarterback of all players. That's that's the confusing part to me. So let me ask you this bill because we this larger conversation of should you? Can you win with a highly quarterback we agree? Yes but we've applied the caveat. It has to be a good quarterback. Where is that line right so I think desk dot? Prescott is a top ten quarterback in the NFL. Is that line? And we're talking about top at the top of the market quarterback money. Is it top ten? Do you think right because like so. We're coming up. What's the next draft? That's going to get paid twenty eighteen twenty seventeen when he does Shawn and yeah those guys. Okay well so the John. Pat Are obviously elite quarterbacks so and deserve all the money but that next round. There's GonNa be a lot of interesting questions now. There's still so many questions with darnold and Allen and Mayfield's you shut your mouth but a word for you. Where do you draw the line on? Okay maybe this guy is the one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL but he's good enough. We're just GONNA do this to not sort of entered the limbo you and I have been discussing. I don't know I think it depends on how you want to build your team right if you think you can win a super bowl with quarterback and a lot of draft picks and a few free agency. You're keeping around the sort of like a colts Paid marrying team. Which by the way I know it's previously but I'm sure pay on a super bowl. And he was one of the highest payed quarterbacks in football I I think you can do that. But then you have be selective about the choices you make elsewhere. You can't sign everybody. Can't be the rams and sign everyone who choir to a big contract and then assume it's GonNa work out And if it's you know if it's the in that case you can probably win with. You could probably paint a top fifteen die and still win a super bowl him and hope that you're drafting and development still sound on the flip side if you're someone who wants to go out and sign a bunch of free agents if you don't think you can draft develop your Detroit. Seven your pick for veteran players then. I think you have to be more selective because you can't get away with paying top fifteen or top sixteen guy because of the money you have to put you can only be a top ten guy at that point but I I mean I think we overestimate how difficult it is to win a super bowl. How exclusive of a quarterback you can be to win a super bowl? The broncos had a painting playing soap replacement level football and won a super bowl with a great defense the Eagles when a super bowl with nick foles as their quarterback. Joe flacco Eli Manning twice. I mean it's honestly if you have to have a top ten guy or top fifteen guy to win a super bowl. It's just your chances are going to increase. You're going to increase if you're paying them less all right on that note. Let's take a quick break. Answer some questions. And then we'll talk about the Patriots later. Question Question Lenny for your thoughts. I don't know how to say this word to to you. Know the mythical creature who to sit Tulu for Prez asks Oh boy so we had the QB value discussion. What do you think this questions about is a dog value? What do you think the future of the running back position is? Could we go with the team having a rotation of h backs and slight receivers step into the backfield? Where do you think this is going? Robots robots the robot in Singapore that the dog robots from Boston Dynamics that are enforcing social distancing. Know I WANNA do a longer podcast on the running back position and like morality. I into a long discussion with someone on twitter because this is something I think about a lot right like I have written about it in the past and you because we say we'll take the analytics people like you know. They deserve to get paid. It's like yeah but you can't force teams to allocate money inefficiently or can you and how would that would that look like? I suggest it in the past letting running backs coach skipped a draft but as a longer conversation anyways I mean we're seeing more and more teams go to committee right like I probably like I mean how many teams I mean still teams with every backs but that has really changed. I mean there's what I don't have the numbers in front of me here. Like in terms of guys who were you know? I? I can't imagine how many two hundred fifty carry backs. There were fifteen years ago and now last year there were you know I. I think I don't know what you think about sort of sort of about about the the morality of it but in terms of the football elements of it. I mean it's good to have a good running back like I don't think every running back is exactly the same. I don't think they offer the same exact value but what I wonder is you know. I think at some point. We're going to see teams. Maybe maybe it's cyclic. Maybe it's not just that team's going to change their mind but we're going to see teams just cycled through guys on rookie deals. Yes and I think that's the logical thing to do. I mean you know having Christian. Mccaffrey is great. And maybe it's the same question as the quarterback question of like having Christian McCaffrey for four million dollars. It's valuable having him for sixty million dollars. A year might be another question altogether But I think the game is changing. The game is much more of a pass the game and it was ten fifteen years ago. And that's naturally GonNa make running backs less valuable. I I would like to see. Running backs get paid. More legacy rookies in general get paid more. And maybe that's where it goes. Is that just you know. Maybe it's not. The CBA are making more money. Because I do think that even if rookies were making too much on the CBS to CBS. When it was like the Sam Bradford era. I think this these to pass as have made rookie players of all stripes running back position at left them undervalued and Easy to explain right except for of course. I Ron running backs who get contracts. They probably wouldn't get if you got rid of the draft right in. Like what Zeke. Get on his first contract a lot. I mean if you're a running back in your draft in the first round your instantly. One of the highest paid running backs pressure. Yeah the way the markets did now. We're not seeing them so this year. It was the last pick with Edwards Hilar- but the previous year was anyone taken in the that wasn't a penny draft was so that was on Saquon. Oh saquon okay. So it's still have associate so she can twenty six. He got four years in twenty five million. I think he would have gotten more than that. But if you got a ton more than that yeah it's interesting and then the again this prologue conversation but like if they didn't have tr- talk if playing college you hit the market twice. That's a different pockets. F- Menier asks well. He's long suffering jets fan and other kinds. I guess there's short suffering jets fan. I'm a jets Fan who decided to bandwagon the team. His wife is a cowboys fan. They have a bet of who will be the first of the two to win a super bowl clearly account actually. I think the judge could be better this year though. I don't you also wants to know. What did the jets have to do to get rid of Adam? Jason Higher Eric. The enemy so you could win either way this season. But I don't know I think what they did in the draft. I Like I think Sam. Darnold is better equipped now than he was last year. I E that's going to be a really Turkey one by to go back to our conversation about giving these guys contracts Not Tricky because based on what they've seen they're not gonNA pay him but like he's been so set up to fail. Can I ask you a minute came? Show featuring lenny exclusive question sure during the draft when you saw Adam Gates with his family could use. Could you stop thinking about the article about how he left his wife in the delivery room because I could not stop thinking about it? Oh my way okay. Oh yes okay to be clear. Not Leave his wife. Sorry I was. So what did I miss neuner year? He didn't he's it's the same woman leans means. He went back to work. He went back to work like ten minutes minutes of the child being born. I mean it's not like the kids see him and remember it probably read the article. No that's funny right. How old is the kid? Now like ten I saw one child metric that child exclusively but you know what I mean break like this weird like contrast like family man and also refused or I thought about it. The whole time was articles after that. We're like coaches realized. They can do work from to and a twenty minutes with their children without looking. I'm someone who watched your at stood of preseason last night on my own willingly room to talk we'll talk about that later. Madden mobile play right. We actually answering this question. Oh it's the cowboys do. That's the cowboys getting rid of. I mean if they go yeah well. On born twelve if they have a losing record. He's gone you really think he'll survive another losing season. He was only there for one year but I guess he wasn't their first choice. Either I'm what's his name? Matt rule was their first choice. Now yes so I guess. Yeah maybe because he's second choice if they don't go if they go seven to nine. Pm after make sense. Madden MOBILE PLAYER ASKS IF WES. Welker who I once confused for John. Lynch. It's not very nice about it. If you use a super bowl curse. He has zero rings. He lost with Brady Shanahan manning and now Shanahan wait welker never one with brady drop at giants pass. He's got there when they were there in a seven and then he was with manning the year the seahawks won. And then now oh this guy's onto a I take style story. I love this Guy Manning mobile player and the fact speak for themselves. John Lynch would never former Patriot. Judge I remind people who don't know the Super Bowl in Miami. I WENT UP TO WES. Welker and asked a question for John Lynch and Hughes unimpressed they look frigging identical and I don't see Eagles Forty One. Two three zero three forty one hundred three six. Wait wait what was the question if the curse is real. I saw it. Yes okay actually I agree. I guess yeah no question okay. The next one wants to know if Roger Goodell asks you to reorganize teams in division C can move any them around. What would you do? He suggest just moving the cowboys out of the East because they aren't in the east. Guess THE EAGLES. The Eagles the cowboys and the cardinals were in the east. When I was like it's a small child could not figure that out whatsoever. I very clearly I move is to get the Patriots out of the AFC. Okay I would swap them with Washington and put them in the NFC east. Let's let Washington feast on for the Patriots. Have the hardest schedule in football? How how did that? How what a coincidence this we'll get to that so I would do that. What else would you do? I WanNa keep the AFC south exactly. The same belongs together. They really do. They're like the corentin houses. The one where it's like nobody picks That's a good one. I the NFC WEST. Is You know we're talking by the way do you? We're talking about which division is the hardest and football and we agree it's the NFC west. Right yes I think so. I think the AFC north. I think is quite good this year. Yeah I mean it's definitely better. I think that's the like you figure the angles are getting better. I have faith in the browns. Getting better the bengals other is going to be a little worse but yeah I could see those teams. I would is better. Yes dolphins and Colts. Because dolphins the colts used to be in the AFC East Dolphins are in the AFC east. They are about as far south as you can be in the United States of America. And they're in the east not the south so I feel like they should be in the south I think about it I think we need to create new rivalries right Dolphins Jaguars a rivalry twice a year. That Florida interstate got the AFC. South is so good now with brees and Brady. I won't believe that be. I'm so excited for like the first buccaneers game in September. When there's like a two and a half hour lightning delay before Tom Brady takes the field in the fourth. Quarter happens every single year for the bucks and then is it in Tampa Bay. It's got it's gotta be in Tampa Bay right. Yeah probably I don't know I mean I may home game in September only going to happen guys airline God that boat. Nobody should be on that boat. And not just because of social distancing yeah I do. Abc West I think could be decent so that's division moved after the NFC west. I'm just kind of like everyone's playing for second at this point you mentioned the NFC north. I don't see it. What don't you see. I think the bears are not going to be good well last like the most depressing team in the league in a lot of ways and they went eight. That was their floor. How bad they were they have. I try not to use this word as much and I feel like I should have a penny jar for every time I use it but the bears I feel like are one of the higher variance options this year. Because Nick foles is just like a rollercoaster. You know you just never know alliance could actually yes. I do yeah. Africa was crushing it. Less he's why are there that like they're going to be not number one on the list of teams likely to improve this year. I don't think they're going to be the niners but they could be a playoff team teams that I was just testing with someone about this. Which teams do you think like could be better and you know people were thinking about? I mentioned the lions the Broncos. We're one of my teams. You're on the chargers bandwagon. We yeah the charges. What would what was their scoring games. Yeah it was a little. A lot was their record or once every year term is going to be weird team the I would assume the cardinals probably a team. People are going to be better. Yes the cardinals Colts obviously out. Do you feel about I was talking with us about with Dominic. Foxworth what do you think about cuyler? Murray's MVP chances this year. Where I I saw the odds and I remember thinking. That was the best odds. I liked them. The best Huge cuyler fan. Who'd you see taking that leap and not not having the same sort of season? I don't think the team will be good enough for him to win. I think that's I think yeah. I think he will be. He has a very strong chance of being most improved. Or whatever and being in that conversation amongst top five quarterbacks potentially but I don't think the team will be successful enough for him to win. Mvp I don't think that defense has improved enough. Okay last question for you to Patriots. Sports Guy five asks if brandin cooks catches that deep in the rams win the Super Bowl. Is Todd Gurley still on the team? Oh Yes autistic histories absolutely right harder. They keep that entire team together. The the last year's total they keep everyone around and jared goff gets even bigger contract extension than the one he actually got. Probably Corona virus never reaches American. That I take Producers that's me times. Do you think Tom Brady still patriot. I think Tom Brady retires. I can't beat him. I kid too good such a hater talking about the Patriots. Are they trying to win? I want to preface this conversation by saying as alluded to earlier. I watched some Jarrett student. Preseason yesterday well hair 'cause I study if you granted ground grounded I ground that tape if you ground the tape. Tell me what you what you saw. How ass you for as my podcast okay? I'll say okay well. We should preface by saying the PATS Rolling Bill Belichick. Do you have to figure at this point? Like there's no one else who Joe? Flacco I guess could theoretically get the team to be allergic to the idea of Cambodian. Yes Bill Belichick. These you said. Recently he's raving about stemming you know I mean he just he likes anyone no yeah he likes that so then there's the question of okay. Do they like him? Do they want to win? Do they think they can win? To their competitor or are they trying to tank. Is this just a experience to see what they have all? I think reasonable questions. Low PATRIOTS FANS. Give very angry. Why didn't they go for Dolton? Who I think. A lot of people linked with the team seeing sort of a caretaker. So the the facts. I'm willing to step here. Is that was gonNA be a starter? They liked Jarret. Stidham question is do they think they can compete and win the division with Jarrett Stidham. Yes do I do I think they will? I would say no. I think they think they can win. Football Games with Dirksen quarterback. Yes I do think they can and I think I think it's not out of the question. They can even. If you're skeptical about Jared Stidham. Now I mean this is still a really good defense. They secondary is largely in tax by the way. And this is a this bill back to front. We talked about that a lot. Bill check could start you and me at outside. Linebacker Bill Barnwell and we could generate a pass rush for sure. We have like twenty seven seconds to get to the quarterback. So we're actually in. They got the we find defense. Okay I think this is going to so this kind of cuts to what I saw out of garrison in. I watched the Carolina Games. We Three by the way they pretty be a long time that I came a Cya left and that was it. So what I size okay. Pyramid takeaways from watching him. Not as athletic because I thought it would be. I was told we're going. I guess compared to Brady is more vocal. Try More Mobile. But he was not. He did not look particularly fast to me He got sacked allowable that had more to do with the he was not great at recognizing pressure. Made a couple of decent throws in the middle of the field up to seems to Kobe. Myers also made a few throws that should have been picked. Mostly it was just off of play action. I I don't know. He looked like mid round quarterback to me. I'm not saying he's going to be awful. I'm just obviously this against you. Know twos and threes by then in the game for the most part. I don't know I I didn't see anything. Let me live. Yup Woo you know. Wow that's the guy. It wasn't like a disaster. You know so that was I mean my take away from watching that is they're probably this patriots offense which by the way it's not like he's giving given a lot to work with here. I think they're going to be a lot like the early two thousands types patriots offenses. I could see that. Here's a couple of questions I have to ask you. Okay actually one point. My one question question is this. Do you think they're going to change their style of offense at versus what they do with Brady last year? You know. I think he's GonNa look very similar to the offense last year? I will wait room medalla. I they drafted those two tight ends the draft tight ends. They brought in. What's his name? Jed finch who used to be with the rams who I could see them doing more play action action getting more using that blue limited mobility. That's has it's more than brady sort of getting him out more on bootlegs and getting them out of pocket more frequently whereas Brady obviously was operating almost entirely out of the pocket I see them sort of trying to use his legs. More not like. He's going to be like a runner but more just sort of similar to me like a Garoppolo in terms of just having some ability. That's what I was hoping to see the look one time about one game guys so I could totally be wrong and I'm like I said I'm sure I've read in half a lot of data the work now. There's not allowed to work. I've heard that he's fairly mobile. Kind of how? I thought the giant US Jones more last year. That's what I expect them to do. Wisdom the other year interceptions were concerning sure that's that and then sort of the inability to diagnose pressuring coverages. I think is going to manifest itself a lot sternly. At the beginning of the season you figure teams are going to throw every sort of exotic pressure they had him and he's not going to diagnose them he's going to get hit he's going to get taken down. He's the guy who did not throw a ton of interceptions in college. Just thirteen picks on eight hundred forty eight attempts And I know his numbers did go down pretty dramatically in that final season Here's what I would say. This is where I disagree with you about the Patriots. I think the core he has around him is pretty good like do you. It's not like it's not as if he has the chiefs offense of weapons or anything but number one number one that offensive line is good and the did Karnak gear which I'm scared about but keeping Joe Tony. Even if it was not the best use of their cap space they have a very stable solid line in front of sin. Now of course guys get hurt. They don't have a ton of depth there but they're healthy one through five line is pop tend to me and then you get to the receiving core. I think we're underrating based that would happen at the end of two thousand nineteen when you had Giuliani woman playing on a bum leg. I had multiple search at the end of the season. I think it was. I think it was a leg but he was her for sure. You had who had joined the team in mid season didn't really know the playbook and suffered a high ankle sprain and was basically a shell of what he can normally do and I think that's new is still a pretty good number two receiver and you had and kill Harry who was a first round. Pick who missed half the season and rookie receivers generally do not do pretty well in this offense to begin with so it wouldn't shock me. If they're wide receivers were much better in twenty nine thousand nine hundred twenty four and twenty nine and then those tight ends. I'm not super thrilled about two rookie. Tight ends in Devon Devon Siasi. I drafted the other one dynasty. Some hoping Donald Keene is the real target Monster Dalton Games out like a patriots tight end. I know you sounds like us from New Hampshire. Look like drafted him. I know nothing about him. It was last pick just. But they're tight ends. Were garbage last year. And I don't want to disparage taste. Bad Matt Lacoste and Ryan is or maybe one of the league's worst heightened pairing so even having to above average athletes to athletic players might be an upgrade on those guys and then they're deepened. Running back I I. I don't know what's going to happen with Sony. Michelle a key might just be bad. That's not out of the question. But they have a bunch of good receiving action. James White Brennan Urban Rex Burkhead Damion. Harish play a bigger role this year. I'm confident they're going to have an okay running game. They added vital to play. Fullback after James. Devlin got hurt. They're not gonNA play a linebacker at fullback this year but like I think they have more around him than it seemed like because they were hit with so many injuries at the end of two thousand nineteen first Dalton teen looks exactly like thinking. Thank you good bye team second. I'm GonNa say something that you said to me. I think last time we recorded guest together which is settlement are on the wrong side of thirty and that I think is the case again. Obviously being healthy is better than not being healthy. I just I you're right. They're probably GONNA be better than last year just because they were so diminished. But it's still a a tough group I think especially. Yeah so I don't know what I guess that brings me to the next discussion right which is not the Patriots tanking. But do you think it's feasible? That Bill Belichick is open to the possibility of not winning. No he's an old man like he does not want to sit around career coaching. Have you seen his dog? You don't he'd rather hang out with his dog and right like No I don't think he's a position where he wants to take. I don't think that is something. He is super open to doing now if it works out that way. I don't think he's going to be heartbroken. But I don't think you know this. I guess this is what this is the same guy who told his defense in the Super Bowl to let Score so he's willing to you know wanted to give up. That's not out of the question for him but by inclinations as an elderly man who does that. Maybe have a ton of coaching years left. Who had the league's best defense by every measure last year? I kind of think he's in. The position of Gary can still win. I think if they were going to tank they would've left mccourty go. They would've had some other guys go. They try to save their money. Rolls him over for next year. And try to win with Whatever quarterback they're gonNA get in twenty twenty one. Here's the flip side. Though this style I looked up before I came on the show today meaner I what you watch the tape I get there in excel and I grind grind numbers you know that gives you. K- I can't list of every quarterback who was drafted outside of the top one hundred. Who did not start a game as a rookie? And then was there teams week one starter in his second season out of college on the list. Trevor Simian that is the entire list in the history of the national football seven. One seven seven Antonio pick and I'm I'm not sure why they started. Trevor Siemian I remember what the Broncos were doing that offseason twenty six birth parents always show his parents in the stands heavily a really blunt haircut. I remember that I remember. Indians mobs haircut. I haven't Ritz but what I'm saying like once twice in the jets. I think yes. You're right yes now I remember when it got down to him. Oh yes it is very unusual. It is very rare. Everyone's like Oh did what Brady Brady so rare the Patriots if jetsons good that will be unprecedented breeding history of the NFL. They're not going to go from one brady to him. Sorry yes that's like. An efficient is history thing with Brady where the draft drown. He plays like three stops. He's the third string quarterback that offseason. They signed drew bledsoe to a ten year extension. They were not expecting Tom. Brady to be Tom Brady in training camp here. He was better training camp for sure. But there's this thing now people say oh you know takeover for bledsoe that is an absolute. There's no no evidence at the time that was going to happen. Bledsoe got hurt. He had a shirt. Blood Vessel Brady comes in history history but have actually planning and saying okay. We're going to have this guy who was untested who was a late round. Pick START FOR US two years of school. No starting experience didn't happen so let me ask you this about the thanking stuff. I agree that it seems pretty obvious. The Patriots are confident injured student. We've heard from Patriots Puertas. He's awesome camp. You know they. He looks better than most rookies. They really like him. Obviously drafted rookie quarterback's before so there's points of comparison there. Why not bring in competition though like you know what I mean like I okay? He's their guy. But why do you not have like? Why is the only other option if they really WANNA win? Why is the only other option on their roster? Brian Hoyer what. If Bill Belichick believes that you can't win a super bowl with the guy making more than five yes and show under show. And if I teams are weird about young quarterbacks and like who they will and won't bring it you know what I mean. I think that's as likely as an explanation ship. Anything in terms of managing their psyches. What I mean. If you were the quarterbacks who are out there if you were Dalton if you were the best option would you have gone to the Patriots? If that was they didn't even call them by all accounts. They have not been linked with a single quarterback bill. Yeah I the only explanation to me is that they either have a really strong opinion of Brian. Hoyer which I think is the case. Was they cut him last year Or veith they they like. Jared said it but they don't want to test him they don't want them actual competition. They want to reinforce his confidence. They don't want to have a situation where if he struggles September that they are going to have a guy on the bench who are going to be clamoring for and I think there are some logic in that I do think we've seen teams who you know. Go back and forth struggle. I think Alex Smith's early careers example. Where he got benched over and over again and you know when the job and then have it for a month and get benched and there's that famous thing on Monday night football where the entire crowd in San Francisco Channel. We want car At Alex Smith just very sad. But I think you have to be I think you have to be judicious about how you handle their their psyche. Because you don't know how they're gonNA react with his struggle and so I think it does make sense to me from Belichick did that. He you know. From a perspective of developing jared stood in as a long term quarterback. Logical thing is we're gonNA quarterback Heston we terms like winning in two thousand twenty. It doesn't make sense to bring in a quarterback you're contested center. Sorry Yeah Yeah No. You're what you're saying is the way all the NFL acts right. Like you. WanNa Wise Cam Newton on a roster what you just described like if you you go team by team and like teams. That should consider him well. There's May reasons but a team like I don't like Denver or Washington like why bring in a Kyle L. in you know or whatever it's because you don't want to bring in the guy where when you're young quarterback struggles fans are screaming. We want cam or we want them. To hear we want Dalton and all of that reinforces the really liked jurisdiction. It just like this. The only explanation. So here's my question. I guess if Jarrett Stidham has a mediocre year if he is yeah if he's like Mark Sanchez. The first MC Sanchez. Here with the jets. Like what are the Patriots do? This is why I think it's a tricky situation because we don't agree thirty two good to tank. Their defense is too good. They're probably GONNA win some ugly Games but I could decision the outcome. You're describing is very realistic right there. Like fine he's not awesome. They win some games ugly. The defense is still good. You're picking maybe like twenty or fifty. I you know what I mean. That's totally realistic outcome. Bill and things. I don't know I mean. Perhaps they think they'll be free agent quarterbacks next year and they didn't like it's no surprise like James Right but like the didn't like the options this year. I maybe I don't know or maybe they're waiting for Aaron Rodgers. Oh all right. Let's Rapa as always with five questions for you and now it's time for dinks dunks. I'm getting paid for this right first. Question pay attention time. Wording this who has a better roster the bucks for the saints is just like a trick question the bucks or something totally different. A lot of people think I've been hearing both answers the roster okay. So there's no university where she thinks about therapy team. Defense one hundred fifty three. I think there are about equal on defense. I think the saints have more upside. I think when the saints are more likely to get hot and have like a top three defense whereas the Bucks. I guess they did it last year. So I don't know maybe I'm just underestimating the bucks defense. Well the bucks defense. They've got all those young guys in the secondary right so that they could get better. I think there's dot option. They like ninety nine point nine th percentile season from Shaq Barrett last year. Though that's true that's true but I think Devon white could take another step forward they brought back sue AP AP they drafted Antoine Winfield Junior. I really liked that pick for the. I makes me very sad. That makes me it depressing. It's very likely he's a good player. Yeah I think there are a lot closer and defense than people give them credit for and then I think offense better I agree and I keep picking the saints largely because of the nature of the season right I think the saints are one of the teams that are like best equipped for the all the craziness that's happening the summer stat. Though is it is a negative one. Yeah Okay let's hear Which team. Nfl history had the fewest turnovers and a sixteen game season. Is it the niners? It's the twenty nineteen New Orleans Saints at eight eight all year. Oh sorry sorry defense. They normally misheard that I was thinking the two thousand eighteen niners right. Didn't they have like one hundred eight? Wow really Okay question to. I've been asking everyone. This what is a quarantine? Tv recommendation you have. You asked me this. Last time I was on the Munich. Swat cast return. Wait were you on during the quarantine. Yeah I think he's created it's been going on for a while now. I watched the show. I watched the show where you couldn't sleep with the other people on the show. The Reality Show. I watch to handle to handle. No I haven't lost to listen to your heart. Would you watch if you watch love island at all? No okay. So there's the narrator onto handle is making fun of the contestants and I don't know if I like that I feel like I wanna be in the moment. I want to empathize with these incredibly on relatable awful people. I Love I. I've seen the trailer for too hot to handle and I'm just all for anything that reinforce or reminds people that just because you have a British accent doesn't mean you're smart It doesn't mean you're hot though. The premise of the show question. Three if you could pick one. Nfl team to change their name to the murder. Hornets who would you pick? Thanks it's not like a really easy one here in the NBA. For example I PICK UTAH BECAUSE UTAH. Jazz is so the Utah Murder Hornets is. We're not going to find a murder. Hornet in Utah. Jazz Music Bad. You find a bad. Nasqad bad mascot I like the Liberation of Miami murder. Hornets Yeah what do you think? I like the dolphins though. I like that logo. Although I'd like it better when it used to be like acute dolphin but John. Do you want it to be like? Could you mix the two and a half a murderous dolphin? 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Stephen Jones Says the Constant Quest for Perfection Often Kills Spontaneity

The Business of Fashion Podcast

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Stephen Jones Says the Constant Quest for Perfection Often Kills Spontaneity

"Fashion is fabulous escapers. The people yearn for it strange. How this funny thing! Called fashion can be a vehicle. It's been a time of such reflection and it's. It's the word I've lived. More than any other word that people have really reflected on what they do why they do it in a funny way I had been able to the focus and trying to do something. To forty years, and that's been stored, and I think very clearly the. Fashionable. Create is maybe to give people a dream. Hi, this is Ron Ahmed founder and CEO of the business of fashion and welcome to the podcast. This week. We welcome the celebrated milliner Stephen Jones. WHO TALKS TO OUR EDITOR? At Large Tim blanks about how the coronavirus pandemic has impacted his own creative process and provided some time for real focus. A Stephen says to Tim now he avoids the constant quest for perfection, because perfection often kill spontaneity. Here's Tim blanks with Steven Jones in science fashion. Hello Welcome to be Oh F- live today. We are talking -Tude Steven Jones whose coordinate themselves ususally with his look against such huge victory because lady in. This behind man. And thereby hangs a tale. I'm sure you do not have a Tretyakov lady hanging behind you without a good reason, but this is a very long time ago. I did a group show charity show with Reggio Dad About fifteen twenty years ago. And they have these shirts made the satin fringe of the lady by trio, and I said I love. You have happened to have a spat time. Oh, please send me one literally. Three years later. Little on Blake Garage this folded up in that and. I'm quite stretch. Fanatic, who is happy influenced I think by dougie fields and Derek Jarman who loved Church Co two and so she's always looking over me. How do you you must have so many souvenirs of your life and fashion? which now is how how many years is it being? What just. What anniversary and we're looking at. I mean literally forty years ago on the first of October nineteen eighty. That's when I have my shocking gotten says is executive shockingly enough? I completely ice. Pool Wella. Has a new album out and I was reading the other day that he is only the third person to shot. At a to have a number one album in each of the last five decades and you did you think of Paul Weller and the jam? Seventeen eighteen years old out Rowley was. You just can't anticipate that. That's what your life turns into. I imagine you must feel the same way when you think forty years. I mean you were twelve when you made your first. Executive thanks to now I just wanted to make into the next day. I mean when when you're nineteen. Somebody. Who's thirty is ancient. Beyond ancient I nine, hundred, sixty three. I'm amazed of how to career knots. Every day is a surprise I never get used to it and I think of the time. The Times that you have straddled as had make I'm. TIMES, extraordinary change and challenge look look, it will be going for right now. So actually you're the best person in the world to us does help in hard times. But the hack helps in zoo. Obviously. Because frankly sorry, Manila, it doesn't matter what goes on your feet. You'll be naked from the waist down, but you'll soon both. Losses Tattoos, may capitalist things. To hats helping times absolutely. I mean for example some of my favorite hats for wartime, because people have to own no matter whether it's. Over the festival will have to. Roll era. They have to make things they have to use the creativity and somehow it. Can be a little sign of optimism. To put us into. Clothing is too difficult, but can be a little signed how? Have you. Have you noticed that? In the last few months you see I mean we have been able to go out. What if people been doing with that? It's been quite interesting for example in the run-up Laskar. Monitoring amongst the four hundred number when we didn't know who's going to be rung own. Feeling the somehow we wanted to do something, and then I had a meeting with the the the good advice Gibson said. Hat's undressing out our sign of optimism in spite of everything in spite of everything. Going on, and we didn't know what was getting today, and in fact with the British. Code Chairman we did a online hoax should. Legal! Masion raise twenty five thousand pounds. Tell us why ascot is so important to a happening, but it's been like Christmas new in your birthday. We'll rolled into one. This is in Britain because this is really wear hats, an aunt about practicality. She elegance Liz, even though they can be about. But. It's really about exuberance addressing. So the idea of being exudes dressing up in these times just seem to this wages thing but. For example, if depression Saatchi's when people didn't have enough money to eat in America, they will gave to the movies. Passion is the fabulous escapism. The people young full I didn't if they into actually? It, but as idea, all escape, who is an is wonderful and actually during this time not to deal with a twenty four years now. And at loss I understood new book. Sorry. It took so long to get that. And it wasn't about Christian Gio creatives actual, but it was hunger of the people who are observing it. Also was the fact that tape is? This dress may dot Yeltsin yahtzee house the fabric they could possibly afford. The was the P Coltie Catha with. The customer on the supply together, it was the audience. That the new the new look. And also after World War One. What happened the explosion of kind of exuberance and creativity? They both. They. Both followed on events set. You could say had terminated. The war the war will go went end go to ended. People could then look forward to. A rebuilding. You know there was a renaissance. Of other kind in fashion and. Now we're in a different moment and and I guess the big question is how what will people want from? Fashion in the world where this, I think uncertainty as this credibly dominant force in our lives, uncertainty on every level I'm just Atlantic dote about about this point and I think that goes this about eighty percent. Try Not even ninety percent drives I remember. You telling me a very long time ago when she was a junior. Republic initially, she actually went to to cover the Hungarian uprising. Being paged by Russia. And she went with her husband to be. Off Study to report on this and when she came back with. The the editors have become public venture graphs. Because basically everybody was really dressing up because they thought tomorrow would not come. Back Home Games will wearing their finery where they could we going out. Wearing lipstick few, and in fact, this is another thing in the Second World War. Everything was rationed to things which would not trash him with cosmetics and hats. Because Churchill thought they would be to Batumi. Marlin is a not to have this to central wounds. We'll trove that women have to, and if you look at American American posters, became proud and looking your best inspired to the bus Ajay, so it strange how this funny little thing called fashion be a vehicle hope which I think county. When you're actually in the moment as well as being authorised so so the half is actually an emblem of defiance in the way. I think. Yeah! Yeah, yeah, absolutely I mean. The hatches the greatest. Within clothing, the hatches the greatest symbol. And when you think of the Majesty the Queen you call it the crown to quit the oil shoe or the royal handbag Is the crown. That symbol when you think police. Policemen's helmets that could shake our thinking is Barrett. So hats always simple of whatever you want less intention to be. An is a symbol of optimism. Well if you put a pink hats on with the flowers, yes, how could? I notice you Beres for Kim Kim says Joel Collection which today and berries become something of a speciality of yours at Geelong Berry's Voice, especially specialty of mine, personally anyway, it's it's. Always love. because. Young old rich. They suit people inconceivable in a million different ways, so it's like. The t shirts hats ready and MISSIO laughter Beret. So really that's elsewhere. It's my personal love of it and Joe Lupton Deray if you look at his. Drawings from the very early collections and nineteen forty-eight will see. There'LL BE FULL-SKIRTED ULA. A new vehicle flick on top of the head, which was a very so in a way to finish complete silhouette, but not to. Add something else to it because he believes it was all one thing. That's how he felt about hats. They went separate item. They wanted the closing. I. It. The is t shirts hats. Yes, so the TNT showed has in its history, being a political gamut I mean yes, and and the Barry as being a particular a political hat. It was interesting to read that Imoko Boisseau, who Who Marketable who Kim was inspired by will collaborate it on the collection woods had used Black Panther representations in his work in the pause, and obviously you associate with Black Panthers was at a toilet consideration. You think in well absolutely I, in fact, I was in Miami I saw those paintings and many of the paintings. The guys wearing hats. Sometime soon, great big Lou Fidora's to actual blue suit but. The the Beret somehow something which was very deal more than big hats, and it was something which stopped Kim's imagination. My Old Oh. Yes, that's right, I mean we didn't do a cocky race specifically, which was the painting which paid on the e invitation? CH- did Berries Roy DRI Warr a struggle. In different materials. But what was It's it's it's so. It's so interesting saying something like that an and and having a sense of how things that. We sort of take for granted of have taken all sorts of different significance in this in the last six months. On, what what have you actually been doing? an and how have you been thinking about what you do of the last six months? Well basically I've been. Fault or at the Eurostar every week for forty years. So for me, it was very every. Every week not every day. Every day, but It was very strange because suddenly muting I was doing something completely completely different. It was strange to be at home. But at the same time I have visited nine I have company in. So, my first duty was to occur Bam, but then slowly I could retreat here and walk was extraordinary. because. We working collection present new collection September is I actually could do over. Over my new collection myself I mean normally I never ever have the time or the focus. And I think. That's been the same for everybody. industries is to have the creative focus. Malt much else is going on so therefore you do actually have to. Concentrate on that piece of white paper and get through it and get through your creative paying, and just let you get on it and I did do. It was great and showed something lost. Film made by Zubaydah. Was Nine that and I made an suits which was extremely well received? So, that was one thing I did I was a million different projects. Hang on, and then we have to deal cruise show which is happening in preparing for that, which is happening next week in Lecce, but actually preparing a collection of the summer, so I was facetime ing with. Manufacturers in an my Italian Franz, people working at home. Yeah emotional. I spent this much time doing this on zoo. Did you end you actually making things for this time while would be. Thanks outweigh. I was making things myself just the prototypes. I think if I was to make hats myself it. Most of them will be rejected by the workroom. Has Some dodgy stitching I'm but Yup, absolutely and. I can. I can shave his earlier. Is. This a little miniature had. Which I carry everywhere with me, anyway. I'm this is. A hops is amazing. Yeah, and this is little trials. This is one of the make way So. Apple yes, yes, and. She. She's got a few to. Wardrobe chains it here. Is can be most of the twelve if you can imagine how much! More maybe Nina Simone as well and. Go! Well. That's not so anyway this. Actually stop dignifying credit. Caprice station? But this is like you're waving. You'll Morocco's. We've known that SORTA website. But, that's what I was I was. I was working on detonate. Since Great! The collections video, and also the hats books such I- additives to create. It came out during that time as well as it was lots of things to. Every day was a busy day. When people say Oh, you're just sitting at home doing yoga now. Got Place looked in the evening. Still everything was. Making sourdough bread matter no, I, mean I wish? I could have done open on. Brazil was. Not Read. That was the other one yeah. Did you find yourself thinking differently about what you do, I mean it. It's been a time of such reflection and It's it's would I would almost as will miss more than any other word that people have really reflected on what they do why they do it Some people using the time to step back other people Forging on into. The uncertain future. How moving feeling I think for me. It was very different. because. You always tell me as being the busiest in fashion, which in a way I think I, am but it. Foot, just being able to focus on one thing. I mean it was terrible to arrive in this way, but that was an extraordinary things that I. Apart from one collection that's Omya who have done that in my collection that was forty years ago to in a funny way I had been able to have the focus and the time to do something the time being able to do what he is, and that's been extraordinary and. Have I been looking at What I do in the way I do it. Yes absolutely I half, which is why I think I'm so lucky to be able to do the things Jane. Tweet do we think of the purpose of fashionable why we're creating that? Yes, we do, and actually I think bay clearly. Supposed to. Create is. Maybe to give people a dream to get people the I two more times. That's a lie jainism something, which is purely. That clash up. You know just before. Will of this happened? You have the that big showing right? In, the World Pavilion in Brighton and. That was such a gorgeous piece of Steven. Jones, Yan Extravaganza. Is it. Am I wrong in thinking that that. The work since and I feel I feel a sort of almost sculptural purity in what have saying what you've posted and the film you showed during the London digital actually that this. I, feel almost like a reduction in a way that you've that you've you've made things. You know it. It's kind of an interesting op. The office when you feel at they do tend towards a more purity and a sort of. Radical purity actually as they get as they get older him. I mean you can make things fancy. You can make things simple. and. One thing that you learn as you. Know the favor of the piece of paper. Is still saying. But one thing you do when you get older you designed. Is You know into stall? Because you know you can kill the design by overwork. And, also you become. Aware that may be your first captured the scissors. Which is done through your subconscious is made is maybe inherently bachelor than something which is to studied. So I think in a funny way of letting go. and. Do things become simpler. I mean I feel a bit? The Gos- to say this. I mean the prime example of that is. In his final collections achieved lay number of purity that he. Didn't really have he wasn't really looking for the wrong. Command myself. But that's one thing that I really know that half gin and similarly. In his collection, Suda, fifty, five, fifty, six, fifty, seven, which was the loss collections he did. Even, though the ladies around him wanted him to continue to make. Big Gowns which were tightly corseted because they've money in back because that's what was known for, he wanted to go in the opposite direction I mean his last collection school. Alenia League. is about freedom and he wants to do on wasted things which were easy to. which will comfortable modern woman an old in a modern way? And Which? Visually hunting construction so. I. Don't know if. I'm guessing most simple, but. I think the messages. I, did it Quentin Crisp, said. your you'll drug suck to get stronger? and. Checking in the opposite way to come some. flower niche. Well, it's interesting mentioning Balenciaga. Because ecause his whole, his work was a spiritual west. And he got more. He got simpler as he felt. I guess he's got closer to God. You Know He. He member that the he tried to find God in a sleeve. so he would recovery cut re cutting. Of course he he never could so there's it. It's it's it's. The hat I mean, you can translate quite easy when you're working with a full which you're trying to balance, you know. Find, achieved the perfect balance, and and perfection is. Is it unattainable? Are you in a constant quest for perfection? That is just out of reach. Would you and I I'm not. In a constant quest affection no! Affection! Often kills spontaneity. and. A hat? Is Very beautiful. itself if it is perfect. That's actually what somebody wants from edge is not something which is beautiful, but something which is spontaneous and fresh invigorating in. That's how I feel about it. I'm not. Everybody would think about it like that. That works perfectly for out. postcode would weld that notion. The spontaneity effervescence Ben that you know people are going to be looking for potential I. can that's absent? The KFI shown to have something which is. To spontaneous, or is it just? Won't transfer station reasons. Cecil Beaton talked about the gloss of fashion and end. You know affection is truly a mirror. Obviously it reflects darkness just as Much as reflects light. I'm so I'm really super curious to see how this Avonex fee is. Unfold I'll how? How? People how Sintus but also. Customers adjust what what what what will be that people are looking for because. Like. I said down. With this uncertainty, we don't know what's going to happen in September that let alone next next year. You're off to that I mean this whole go between the fashion business. And consumer. And at the beginning of lockdown, everybody was talking about. There will be a whole new world afterwards. The people will think in a different way. The fashion business with regulates so in a way that is more responsible at etcetera etcetera. And yes, that is true, but I think the Kostroma even more. They're thinking about it. Breath, much in a traditional way now. that. You buy a new sponsor Patia. Puts on Friday night. Nate, you know you have a wonderful evening. The something very basic and simple. Attempt we market, know whether you're. Buying A T shirt promotes street. Three pounds or whether you're buying a young. Gal. Sit of happiness zest as it could bring, you is one of its most important. Functions and I think when fashion designers would consideration about the fashion business Blah Blah Blah that she forgot radio customers want. But when you talk when you talk about. A couture dress a keeper. That's something you wear once. That's something that you I mean men way couture's you go to the more sustainable kind of fashion at the risks, because it's cherished in, and it might even be passed onto somebody else, but sparky. T from Oxford Street. You know this is A. This is a kind of. Mind be youtube, but you'd search way afterward Murray. Cherish it till the day. I die I I especially. If you had a good time in this is the thing i. If you're. A single mom or family, the fact that you can actually go out and buy teashop tweet pounds, and it can make you feel great. Maybe not see any medicine you've got. We! From the very happy Criti- design assigned to things where. Pair of shoes. Thousand five hundred pounds of Stevenson's hatches, three thousand pounds, but actually out in the real world. Every different price level has got its constantly. It's arrogant of to. Expect the other people are going to consider passionate ways. Now, but I do think it's important better part of the sustainability. Debate is being. I'm taking a stand against disposability and I absolutely you re re re educating people in in will educating people in the value of things effect. T shirt has value to you. You know you wear it more than one sizzle. The whole notion of less is Betta. better buys that that sort of sort of rarefied elitist point of view that that's just that's just. Letting. People know that that that. What they have was made by somebody. You know what they have made is made by somebody else. It has value it. has this dignity in somebody else's labor? Masters a massive. Challenge by the. Absolute an I couldn't agree more. However. The whole of people out there. Who Really Ford Fashion? Really folks over. At Apple, and those things which are low price. Giving for them exactly the same service is when. Somebody is by handbag. Exactly the same, there is no difference. Obviously, those things are produced. This. Film! By if of the the real cost, which is the factories Emmanuel, Dash? Factories. Investor! THE IT IS! Not Not at all good ways that those things are actually created, because if you abiding Teasha, three pounds or two pounds, who is suffering because of it is? But. Obviously designed amendment which okay about sustainability. How, bashing, go forward and be less wasteful. SEVENTY CLOTHES NOT SNEAK COLLECTIONS HERE! All that is great, but A conceivable will appreciate that these consumers who are buying design, the level of merchandise as other areas of the market. I'm not say show because. People done have that luxury to be so flexible. It's a bit like buying organic meat or something, but yes fine, but if you're a mumbling soon, support. The fact that you can buy me too is extraordinary. Well, it's the long road. Definitely Kim or everybody feels the way that I'm kids, not just the afternoon. With feel the way we're talking about, but I remember I. Remember him talking to you about. Sign inability what you mean at. Do you having the off what is what's in that couch? Mother's room. Take. SALONE teague. Sniff that cup. They. We were talking about you know. It's impact on your job. There are materials. You're not allowed to use anymore. San Many and most of the laws actually increasing all the time. That is less and less that you you have access to. The, the big changes already happened, and they really bad animal products, but those two came in and beginning of the nineteenth century with the Open Society New York not was really the before Ho Scientists documents that protection O- of wildlife like nap, words or tigers in or ivory. Actually protection from bug was that was the first thing change reduced Oldman's lowest. These is primarily. For Happy New Guinea and South America because there's decimated and groups of women. Festival in America then here break. Go together incentive we become decorate hats with us with a sorts of things, and actually that was one of the things that Chanel did the getting new the Middle Name I. On the things she did with. With made fashion of untrimmed boots, is everybody else's bearing hundred different wings paradise on heads? She should very minimal in clean As whether it's the sweat chosen. Do Do. Bit even within your career. I mean things that you that you use when you were working with John Galliano on deal Cujo. When he thirty years ago, maybe Twenty. Years you're not allowed to use his now I mean there is. For example, a not necessarily protected, but we weren't wanted abused now because we asked the public have a different point of view. Also the is even now a whole discussion about feathers, whether you can use feathers and the hats all the feathers we use our biproduct to food, production and. will be cool. Bonnaud foul, so it's chickens. Geese Guinea fowl ostriches. Farmed for me as well so. That's a big discussion discussion nothing. Every single newspaper round wells an article about these. Popularized pretend and the certain materials which. People always amaze. The felt is actually made from far from Panama also. Kombi made from anything else. Because base the basic way name is. Animal Furs like human half the when he gets down exit goes, curly is and will tell you MAC is. Basically it's the five is into looking together, which makes felt so. people. Questioning. Felt And then of course, the stroll so much which comes China and as it has hundreds of people because. China or from Central America like South America the other store, producing countries, so it's always in flux. But there are. Many. Many new fabrics isn't quite interesting to us. Is What only about those because you find? Do you find restriction inspiring? Yes. Absolutely it's actually very funny. When making these prototypes optimal I do is I stopped with Emi to square at this member Semi. might quite big and the night us every single little scrap, so get smaller and smaller and smaller, but that's this wonderful and ridiculous self imposed discipline I'm. It's always good to have a brief. Ride Working with other fashion designers as well as Jane Lansing. Completely, different. What have you been looking at during the last six months? Just you know just to feed you'll you'll create urges any anything. Specific any assistance when I'm in your library at the office at the federal. Office, it just assume full. Of intriguing, well thumbed volume, but now it's actually organized in a way that it wasn't way. Getting into work one day week checking Dixon picking up host and we will. Be Looking at actually be looking at nature. Jessica's paintings and things watching some TV, but I have been a Netflix. I've just been looking at the changing seasons of nature and reponse coming out will these things? I never ever see because I'm aways. On runway number three Heathrow. I. Just don't see those things in a funny way that everybody else does but identified so I will spend hours looking for the looking leaves on wisteria outside my window and modeling soul-searching than maybe, too. So, I think that's how I've been spending my time and trying to get healthy eating teaching. Hotel food. And cooking, then cooking embiid, yes, but additional restraints that I mean I I'd not be making balloon. I've been running almost every day and doing weights as well shocking. Let's see. Better. Wrong both neck. But you know when you imagine when you would in the future when you look at the hats, you did in this moment that they will in some way encapsulate. Can. Can you do that with your with your career? Can you look at a hat and see how it captured? Whatever was happening that particular mountain on my God? Yes, because I mean I always think that? My hats, which by graphical anyway. And I think this collection of has been working on is by far the most personal Alexa. Maybe I've ever made. It's been the most extraordinary experience. And I I can't even say it was lucky because I would take the luck. Can. was such a terrible situation. But I don't underestimate the rarity. It's the experience this I had I. It's been. Just the Simple Act of guessing. Being able to go. Like the coaches wheel. Oh. Going picking up a paintbrush in mooning being able to do that. And, in fact, not being told in. Oldest different directions, the fashion world demands the Tweeden cold. It will then. Whether it's. Doing Press Ole. Eccentric Cetera etc different things. So when I when you fill astonished me about this I, said Focus and I. I have, but yes, that's very different totally. How tell the tell me I think this. May Be a complexity of intent. But simplicity of how it's rendered. So things. as they see. The that that not contrived. This, who sleep honesty. Now In all the different things. Different emotions which we will be going through. And I think everybody is being. The survey academician period. We're lucky bonds. We living in festival country. Not Touch would have not been now. Maybe the most important thing that we've been experiencing. Experiencing is on steal something. Honesty of purpose. So interesting that you know I, I was thinking to mutual crowder about a new collection, and she also talked about competitive complexity of simplicity of. Of real of realization and On a C., being the sort of Greenwich. Humility as well I hear. I've heard designers I've been talking to. In Zoom talk about humility. The takeaway from one of the one of the most wouldn't takeaways from his time because I. Think he see this whole big thing going on that time, you think. Oh my God. I'm making critique clothes for. Spoilt women or something like that. And yes, that's the end product, but it's made what he do is really look at Jay and that the that backs us. Hump is maybe the reason they ocean business in the first place. And it's very very easy to get that. Because Ninety nine point nine nine cents to the time you being told to do otherwise and you have to do is. Because you'll. Running a business in being media superstar if you will. Jones. Is. It's very difficult to remember. The reasons that you got into it. that. The joy of creation that you feel. Which has somehow being. unsaddled. From? The politics of creating within within the company. Mean I'm sure you must also feel this Initi- books this giant organization essentially when she gets morning the. Piece of paper on her soul. Much Do, but this is huge. This is like a this is kind of like A. Damascene, conversion was some. This is hey, can you right back to a to a bland to a black slaves in a way? Absolutely I think every I think everybody is being going through that. All the designer who I work with regularly. Happening gangs through that and being really examining. What they doing and I think. Considering the state of How well how retail will be? Or not it's a very good same. The everybody's considering what badgering because I think they really have to formulate era is. Because it, the fashion businesses Malkin. Way To. What would be your ideal world? Then what would be your ideal vision of action? Wild ouster base I mean I. I've said all along I. I, love the idea of the shop with the autism you know, and the personal relationship between the Creator and the customer sort of quite an old world vision, actually yes, and for me as well that privacy. And sometimes people say what you. Want to people by Wednesday things. Because it's being made for them spent especially. Because, they could influence the design. blender is that the greatest design of he made Tanisha his. In innate eight curbs Oversight dressmaker things which he. Did with the same passion as he did Grand Baucau. Closeness of working with somebody is. Very important so I think. Yeah The an privacy. Most clients actually. Many clients. Who buy very expensive. Things don't want to have A. Address they seem on the comfort vogue. They won't something which is much more discreet in that, which is especially for them and I know. For example, a ranch mine who works for Amas says the jury. Down that makes measure service. People, who normally super-busy Business Oh have very busy line. It'd be sending enjoying their mates measure business. Case for. Minded people handle something like that Going through the roof so. Special yes, if he won't. A great t shirt! You can get that anywhere, but. People spend money on something special so. I. Could go definitely future, I think. table difficult. But that that's perfect, perfect you, then people people would come to you and say. Make me a half. While The only thing. Is that during lockdown coming out to block town? I know it's all over. The world had sales, not only mine. been going through. Amazing enough yes, in America in the far, east in China. have people being buying hats because they're an expression of? An Evacuated but wonderful good time. and. Where are they wearing them? Maybe that wearing a hat? Maybe they just want to get the books. Maybe they just want to knock on the fragile. See I. do like the idea of it that that things that we've kind of paid lip service to as private ledges actually have gone back to being private pleasures. People getting dressed up with home which? Yup Maybe. The hats on having. Hats on having wild sex I mean I hope they. HATS AN APHRODISIAC will. Maybe you can put a hatch all any. You want to be. A hat and a he'll have nail. Naked in between. You've said that to me had certain APHRODISIAC, but you did say that to me once. Goldeneye repeating myself not no, I think it's I. Think it's a it's a it's A. It's a idea worth repeating day. Even. What I think we need to get you in a few hot Sunday but very beautiful. But. You you mentioned my head once you said it was the biggest hit ever measured. I was telling you when I. Hit a motorbike that I couldn't get a crash helmet in the biggest commercially available size of crash helmet I had have a crash helmet made for me and I'm sure you could have gone to Nassir into Pio. Really, why couldn't you head now? You laugh the menu image my head, you sick from God your rights. It's just. It allows brains or is it. Solid New Zealand Solid Kiwi upbringing. Now if you put your emi, you can hear the wind whistling. Oh whistling across the beyond mood. Mind like the sound outside Palm, springs. With Cinerama on Sunset Boulevard where where next and you've got lead shaffer deal couture, but what I'm actually making hot streak wedding. This weekend coming up and then let shake a week off. And then. Extensive preparing for collections in September. Because coolest. Fashion businesses permit rid. Working on things for this time next year? I'm working about a year in advance to hopefully by that, things would have found some sort of ballots. Will be in Britain big social events like us good, who has weddings which council this year nipping till next you will them, so I think twenty twenty hundred into very brave is yeah, so the fact that I might have. A spanner auctioning off. After this is finished is wonderful. The do sort of dread the if it's Tuesday, it must be Belgium lifestyle I'd the return of that lifestyle for for you. You know that you as you said F. star at your side an you've found this in a peace and tranquility at home Do sort of kind of secretly drenthe the the the the the carousels going to kick off the gain at top speed. Well, it certainly is not going to kick off at top speed because we know came to be I. Know can be able to commute. Harrison San waves I used to go to U.. N. perpetrated with Marc Jacobs. That's not going to happen, because it's too complicated. Knife traveled a few times. Going through, and I have to say you're a story streaming. It's not going to have to say needs and if it doesn't have to say. I'm going to I. Mean already. I, do fittings with. Tom Brown Jacobs On in Japan Through facetime will resume will through out so for me. This is slightly business usual. But you're at yeah. I, anti motto Scheduling. Hang back to. Wolves honey enough just before. Korn T I had to Paris for the day. And I could be a almost in the third person is very interesting to see. That also what I was supposed to be doing within this fashion. The. We all keep high. and. It was great, but I was very happy to be. At the end of the day. While I was always worried about you I wanted you to take it easiest sad that that is my hopefully. Keep it up, but Keep it yeah same time? Assuring US said in and get over that. I'm ready for my close. Well thank you so much. Even it's lovely to see you and Let me see you to as. I didn't know if we will see each other in. September might see each other say she before have presented professional level. Golden is what's going to happen September. On some people counselor shows some people are hell bent on having meshes or some sort of showing. The one thing about passionate evolves if it doesn't evolve, doesn't make sense. You know we haven't seen the people since March the seven Avonex. Being with other people's now the so yes kind of physically. It's a strange. Strange world where Justin, but you're always in my heart. Never? From my clothes. In, case it well outrageously to seize even okay seat him. If you've enjoyed this episode, don't forget to subscribe. Give a rating, and you might be interested in joining the business. A FASHIONS GLOBAL MEMBERSHIP COMMUNITY BE O. Professional. Are members receive exclusive deep dive analysis regular email briefings as well as unlimited access to our archive of over ten thousand articles, our new IPHONE APP learning materials from Piaf Education.

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Full Episode: Thursday, March 12, 2020

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Full Episode: Thursday, March 12, 2020

"This is nightline put to the test. Frankly testing going. Where are we really stand on diagnosed? Covert Nineteen. It is a family. Let's admit it. Who has the test who needs attest? When can you get the test? People should not say if you WANNA test you right. Now that's coming. That's not here at this point and boots on the ground and America's first containment zone. There's a lot of uncertainty right now in this area. They WanNa make sure families. Don't go hungry. Coach or cancel Broadway. Amusement parks go dark wide world of sports grinding to a halt and the mic drop moment. Triggering concern that apology from the NBA's patient zero good evening. Thank you for joining us over. Nineteen triggering a new closure cultures schools. Shutting down sports season suspended crowd control aimed at controlling the corona virus and still a big question tonight state of testing the US when we haven't even reached the peak of infection. Here's ABC's Linsey Davis Okay. I'm asking for a name. Who is in charge of making sure that people who need to get tested? Who are indicated to be. Tested can get a test the scramble for answers outreach to the government response to the deadly. Corona virus pandemic. The system does not is not really geared to what we need right now. What you are asking for that is failing. And it's failing there. Let's admitted worldwide cases of cove in nineteen shooting past one hundred twenty five thousand in. Us More than sixteen hundred cases at least forty deaths efforts to contain the outbreak. Here sparking confusion and cancellations Fabulous Tournament Nation now in the midst of a new kind of March madness. Nc Double A. Shocking Basketball Fans no tournaments. No Championships this year the NBA suspending the rest of the season professional baseball talking soccer all postponed until further. Notice York's famous Broadway silenced. Forget Long Lines at movie theaters some of the hottest new film releases whereas delaying the cascade of closures includes Disneyland and Disneyworld which entertained tens of millions each year in Washington's halls of power. The same sign closed closed closed chaos propelled. Wall Street into its worst day in more than thirty years with those closures. We know there's going to be a dramatic impact. We're not sure yet exactly what that number is going to look like. But it's clear it's going to be significant and it's very clear that it will mean at least for this point in time in the economy. Governor is taking drastic steps to stop the spread of the virus to reduce the number of people and contagious environment. A gathering with five hundred people or more and closing school districts will help slow the transmission of this dangerous virus. We do have in this executive order. The ability to commandeer existing Private sector assets including hotels and motels at the White House. President trump defending his decision to ban foreign travelers from huge sections of Europe. After right to do a lot of things that people don't even know about the new rules limit travel from twenty six countries with the exception of the UK. A world problem and you do need separation. In some cases you have some areas that are very heavily infected and you have some areas that are likely but We do need separation a little time in some cases but they were questions on exactly what the president had proposed. President is is not providing clarity. He seems confused about his own policy. He misstated his own travel ban. The critic say that travel ban now is like locking your door after the killers inside the house but there are some who say it works. But he doesn't even seem to manage to articulate it in speech to the nation. Clearly the other thing the president is doing right now from the beginning. President trump has attacked this problem with a lot of happy. Talk stay calm and it will go away. He said the president also facing questions about whether he should be tested for covert nineteen. Last week he was socializing with a delegation from Brazil at mar-a-lago one of the Brazilian seen here in that hat. Standing to his left has now tested positive. For the virus across the country hospitals are gearing up for influxes patients surged hints popping up around Boston San Jose in Salt Lake City. I believe once testing becomes more widespread and available. We might see a surge in patient's doctor. Allen Kaplan is head of Emergency Services Plain View Hospital in Long Island New York where they're already seeing covert nineteen patients. He gave us a behind the scenes. Look it has hospitals overflow zone equipped with all the necessary medical tools we have equipment to monitor patients vital signs and we have ventilators if needed patients to be a distress nurses like Steven Jones or on the front lines. We go towards the disease while others run for the hills from it there would say at least. Ten patients came in today with at least Had mentioned the word Corona Virus based on their symptoms plain view hospital is part of North. Well health which is now allowed to run its own tests. Jones demonstrated exactly how that's done with the help of a hospital. Employee entails Two different SLOBS can hold. This test is similar to a regular flu test. Swabs the patient's nostrils and throat. He then sends them off to a lab results. Come back in twenty four to forty eight hours. That will get faster in the next couple of weeks. If they're not sick sick enough to be admitted to the hospital we will send them home and give them instructions on how to self quarantine and take care of themselves. The only people that should be coming to emergency room so those who are in respiratory distress having trouble breathing you can say eighty to ninety percent of people having this disease will be well. Manisha staying home and it will resolve on its own. We treat these patients as if they are family members and that it's game time that we just you know we get focused than we all ready to go Today in the New York suburb of new Rochelle. The National Guard flooded into the nation's first containment zone site of the largest customer cases. Some people who live here called the epicenter of the epicenter just behind me is with. The National Guard has been activated. They're handing out meals today. You're at home. And you're wondering why are they handing out meals welts because some schools have been cancelled here and kids who go to school rely on meals including breakfast and lunch is also a lot of families out here are trying to figure out how to go to work and also deal with children? Who No longer have school. There is a lot of right now in health officials and the government here state government of New York. WanNa make sure people? Don't go hungry just helping everybody yell and make sure you get what they need and you know keep moving. Keep everybody happy satisfied. People here are told not to gather in large groups. That pattern is being replicated nationwide meeting. It's game over for many sports has an NBA game abruptly cancelled last night after to Utah. Jazz players Donovan. Mitchell and rudy go bare tested positive for the virus earlier this week. Oh Bear Poke Fun at all the talk about Corona virus and ended a news conference by pointedly touching. Tape recorders microphones today. He's apologizing on instagram. Saying at the time I had no idea I even infected. I was careless and make no excuse. I hope my story serves as a warning and causes everyone to take this seriously based on doors and watching a game in Dallas were shocked when the NBA suspended the season. Mark Cuban. The owner watching from the stands just unbelievable. It's just not not something you ever could have -ticipant. There's any new information that you can share with us about what the League plans to do next and the NBA season resuming at some point. I hope it resumes. Nothing really I can share. I mean other than the League is going to do. What's best for the safety of our employees and for the fans and customers where we're going to do the right thing. Cuban says he told the team to self quarantine just to be safe but worries about the impact on all the people who work at NBA. Arenas now that the Games are suspended. They're not gonNA have that income and so that just wasn't right to me so we'll compensate them for will compensate them in advance even if the Games might be played in the future. We'll still compensate them now so they can pay their bills and we'll do that for arena employees for the mavs Games and for hourly employees that work for the Mavericks. That might not get those hours. The economic impact is already visible in Washington state where Kobe nineteen. I hit in America when you come to Seattle you. Obviously you come to the pike place market and on a weekend or during a busy time your shoulder to shoulder with people so much room here. One of the things that we heard from a number of the shop owners is that things are quieter that they've never seen it like this. Before taking extreme measures now cancellations enclosures will buy more time for a more effective response. Though a colleague of mine was just saying you know we should all just be prepared. That we're going to get it. Do you think that that's the appropriate attitude? No I don't think it's the appropriate attitude the appropriate attitude to try and do something about it to just throw up your hands and say we're not going to do anything about it is not appropriate and not good public health for nightline. I'm Lindsay Davis in New York. The covert nineteen situation in Europe is if you more advanced than here in the US death toll in Italy now over a thousand another continent undersea. Here's ABC's Maggie. Rulli your next move the grief and helplessness from corona virus captured in this video of Italian actor Luca Francey for NC says. His sister behind him is dead falling victim to the illness. Saturday Hyun immunme abundant. He says the authorities abandoned him claiming they refused to collect the body only coming after his video went viral. She's one of the more than a thousand. Italians who won't wake up from Italy's nightmare. Italy has become the epicenter of the covert Nineteen Pandemic in Europe. The number of cases. They're reportedly jumping by more than twenty four hundred in just the last twenty four hours and as conditions worsened glimpses of the heroic efforts to counter the pandemic makeshift tents in place to treat the sick hospitals completely crushed by the wave of cases. One hospital reportedly receiving a new patient every five minutes held experts in Italy are urging the US to act now would be Nami. It will be Eating old account three unless you take immediate actions otherwise it'd be too little too late. The Italian government imposing a historic lockdown on its sixteen million residents ordering all shops restaurants to close allowing only essential businesses like pharmacies banks in grocery stores to stay open in an attempt to slow Louis. Bread the exact opposite of the deserted streets in Italy thousands of Americans in airport lines trying to get out before the partial travel ban starts tomorrow. It's his honesty. Pandemonium knows happening. We aren't allowed to leave the gates. They aren't letting us get our baggage. 'cause do not want to be stuck in Barcelona thirty days. The virus not discriminating. Even the world's most famous soccer star Cristiano Renaldo is at home in isolation after a teammate tested positive for Cova nineteen French President Emmanuel macron announcing the closure of all schools and universities calling it the most serious health crisis. France has faced in century schools. Were also shut down in Norway and Ireland and large events cancelled in Scotland. A Mini Mall. Families are going to lose loved ones before their time. Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Saying more extreme measures will be put in place in the next couple of weeks. Spain with the second highest number of confirmed Gerona virus cases in Europe also taking similar measures placing several towns under quarantine. And so we trudeau the wife of Canada's prime minister now testing positive after a trip to the UK the Trudeau's now booth in isolation. It's not just the Trudeau's waiting at Home Christina Higgins an American mother living in Italy and under lockdown. There has a dire warning for those in the West People. It's to not dismiss this and to take it seriously and to not underestimate it and to be very to make it very clear to them that this is coming in. This is already in the United States. You're only weeks behind us. And you need to know that people need to take action now for nightline. I'm Maggie Rulli. Our thanks to Maggie. I'm now joined by chief. Medical correspondent Dr Jen Ashton here to answer your corona virus questions sent in on twitter. But I Out of Maggie's report their these shortages overseas. Do you expect to see that here? Well that's the Concern Byron because the US surge capacity for a public health crisis believe it or not is unknown so you're hearing a lot of stats about there. Being Sixty two thousand ventilators ninety five thousand hospital beds. That's the tip of the iceberg in terms of capacity because we have to think in terms of the three S.'s. You need supplies. You need space and you need staff and when you're talking about ICU. Care of ventilators. Don't run themselves so they need respiratory therapists. They need critical care nurses so a lot of times. It's the staff that's the rate limiting step. So we're going to be watching that. That's definitely a concern. I Vera question I want to know. The percentage of the patients they get intimidated. Who fully recover and walk out of the hospital. This is the most important question Byron and I'll tell you why there's no answer for a right now. The CDC has yet to release any clinical data on the US patients. So we don't know what their average age is. We don't know what their pre existing medical conditions are or were we don't know how many went to the ICU. How many developed super infection with pneumonia? We don't have any of that data yet so we need that information. The data we do have came out of the early days of the corona virus outbreak came out of China less than a thousand patients and looked like about three to five percent of patients required. Icu CARE in some cases up to fifteen percent so again. The numbers are all over the place. The data is only as good as the collection methods. So right now. We need the data badly questions from twitter. I have my groceries delivered and was wondering how long the corona virus live on food on the plastic bags used for produce in the paper bag used to groceries. So they're looking at that right now. A lot of the data that we know about full Mites. That's the viral particles when they live on. Inanimate surfaces come from other human corona viruses and the range is massive Byron. It goes from hours all the way up to nine days depending on humidity temperature and what surface it is. 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Love Is In The Air?

"Is your money not sure what to do with itself right now at ally. They'll help it save for the future with their smart savings tools. Bucket your money for the things that matter most analyze your spending and save automatically all on top of a competitive rate for all things money you deserve an ally visit a Y. dot com slash savings for more info. Ally do it right ally bank member. Fdic hello everybody. Happy happy with us on this Monday afternoon. I'm Wendy Knicks booger McFarland Jeff. Saturday and Jeff Darlington with us as well and we start yet again in Dallas. Where yet again? We're here to tell you there's still no long term deal for Dak Prescott in place through. There is time. The two sides have until July fifteenth to workout a long term deal. But they're still appear to be some obstacles in the way. Here's Jerry Jones and kirk cousins. Look into career. That doc has had with the cowboys. It gives me a really solid fatally about What's in store for the future and we've got to do everything we can. And that's what we're doing in this off season to put the players on the cowboys that our players that can with his talent as quarterback really went championship or avid shot at That's the thing I think about. When I think of aren't how REDAC- I'd believe the franchise tag can be your friend. I don't think it's something to To be disappointed with I think it it enables you to be well compensated and deservedly so for the upcoming season and then I always say you know the the cream will rise to the top if you're good enough The creams GONNA rise to the top. You're GONNA get compensated. What you want to end does sometimes doesn't happen as quickly as you would like. But if you deserve it you've earned it it's GonNa happen so you just gotTa stay the course. Stay patient so my message to back. When I saw season last year was hey whatever happens you know. Don't don't be afraid of the TAG. It can be your friend that you can use it to your advantage. Why thank Kirk cousins? It can be your best friend anyway. Stephen Jones adding this on the pro. Football talk podcast. There's all sorts of analytics out there that show if your quarterback takes too big a percentage of your salary cap. It decreases your chances to win. We're just trying to figure out the right fit. No one wants to sign to a longer term deal more than Jerry and myself. We're on the record time and time again of what we think of him. As the leader he has the it factor. He's a fierce competitor. He wants to win as well. It's just got to be right for him and right for us. We'll continue to work to a conclusion on that any may be onto something. According to Roster Management System Matt Ryan 2016. Sixteen the last quarterback to make the playoffs in a season where he took the highest percent of his team salary. Cap Ryan is the only qb in the last seven years to make the post season with the teams highest percentage again of his team's Recap Jeff. Saturday having heard all that should take less money to give this team. More flexibility as it would seem Stephen. Jerry suggests absolutely not Wendy. I mean he's a mid round drastic. What have you been doing while he has been taking less money? I mean you've had a starting quarterback in the game all this is going on. You know people talk about. Well we got this amount of it. Well you shouldn't use it to your advantage while he has been amid round draft guide so I think from tax perspective played to level. He needs to play. Everybody leapfrogged each other in this league. It's earned to be the highest paid or at least up there in that realm if I'm him I'm not taking less than I want and I'll play under the tag. I agree with what I said earlier. I said it last week. You heard me I I would do. I wake her cousin just one year after another until I got paid what I wanted to be paid so I don't think that any type of Jerry has shown he'll make guys the highest paid. Well if you're making all these guys. These extremely high paid players why am I now on the listen? You're showing right now right so for my perspective next and everything he needs to do to get paid for Jerry and Stephen to pop up the cat button it you make several points and I'll just piggyback and try to take it a step further. Dak Prescott has earned the right to be the highest paid player in the League at this point plan on a four-year deal. He hasn't made a ton of money. I think right at five million bucks but his play on the field has wanted a contract that will result in him. Getting over one hundred million dollars guarantee thirty five thirty six million dollars a year of average annual value. However you want to slice it up to me. The bigger issue here is that there seems to be a little hesitancy from the Jones family of making deck the highest paid player in football and in for Stephen Come. Out and talk about. Well the analytic say that. If you're quarterbacks take up too much a cap that you can't win well I would love to know who those are because to me when your quarterback takes up a higher percentage of cap that puts the onus on the general manager to build the team around him and the other draft picks what Stephen is basically saying is if your quarterback takes up less than it makes my job easier as GM? Because I have more room and more money to play with now now that he's not taking up so much money so what I would say. The deck is really simple. You've earned the right to be here right now As far as an unrestricted free agent. That yes they franchise tag but at this point I would not take a dollar less than the highest paid player in the NFL. History at this point because he's earned that at this point. Wendy Lugar. I'm mostly confused about why the cowboys or even really talking about this in public whether Jerry Steven Jones talking about whether he should you know how they should handle the salary cap because it feels to me like I understand the idea of negotiating in the art of it and all that and I know the Jerry likes to get things out there in the public to create sort of the show but at the same time like I still continue to look forward to that July fifteen deadline and I don't know what Incentive Dak Prescott has at this point to agree to anything at this point. Why not? Just keep pushing the envelope. Why not just keep going? I understand why we're going to continue to talk about it and we'll continue to kind of go over the the nuance of what. He should do what he shouldn't do. But until July fifteenth which is the deadline for players under the franchise tag to come to an agreement on a long term deal. There's really no incentive to sign it other than to negotiate to get the most money the Dak Prescott can and to me. That's exactly what he's doing right now. Yeah I agree with you. Jeff I would. I would say this the one point that makes me more nervous about the Jones family. What they've done your point. They keep talking with the kind of digging themselves a whole but the whole Andy Dalton situation you know bringing him in and paying him that you know and everybody says well this is like a carson wentz and a nickel which it is absolutely not you have a nine year starter from Cincinnati. Who is now going if you don't if you can't tell me as a player that is leverage bright you signed a guy for leveraged to make me feel uncomfortable about this deal and anybody else who doesn't believe that you haven't been in those negotiating room with digital managers. They understand the game as well. We're made a great point about making their jobs easier. But when they signed a guy who they feel like can run the organization and make no mistake. You pay that guy that kind of money and bringing them in. That's what they believe. They have tried to make the situation uncomfortable. Protect so in my opinion. You get like booger sworn in your you. Make every dollar you. Can you sign that tender and go back? Neck KIRK COUSINS MODELS. Just he's hitting the cap as much as you can until they finally pay. Jeff what I would say is I would phrase it just a little bit differently. I wouldn't say leverage because if they honestly thought that Andy Dalton was a better player today they would rescind the tag and just stick with anybody and I think it is. It's a high level backup plan. Bring Andy Dalton in they're basically telling Dak Prescott okay if you don't sign this deal or if you don't play ball with odd numbers and we'll go to plan B. and what that is basically saying in my mind. Okay if you won't plan beating Plan B because I know I'm a better player than any Dalton. Ns No disrespect. Andy Dalton because he's been a really good player in this league for a long time but Dak Prescott is one of the upper echelon quarterbacks in this league regardless whether or not Andy Dalton his own this team or not that Prescott in my mind has not lost one ounce of leverage because he's earned the right to be at the table right now now if the cowboys WanNa roll the dice and take a team that they have with CD lamb and this offensive. Line Ezekiel Elliott demarcus launch. And all the high level players that they have they just gave Mario Cooper one hundred dollars if they WANNA take that team Jeff and give it the Dalton. Then be my guest. That's exactly right. And that's the one thing I point to Dak Prescott. We want to talk about leverage. He has not flinched wants throughout this entire process. Not before last season when he said I'll bet on myself and guess what he bawled out and was one of the best quarterbacks especially statistically in the NFL when he was under that kind of pressure. I don't think that he would flinch at the idea. Putting Andy Dalton novarum either. And you can have that kind of mindset nat attitude. Yes it's a big gamble yes it can potentially come to bite you but it can also ultimately earn you the kind of money. That kirk cousins got when when quite honestly it wasn't necessarily the best quarterback in the NFL but he was one with the most leverage he was the one of the most leverage and he played it like a fiddle. I mean he knew exactly what he's doing and there's a mental capacity to these negotiations. And so you're right. Jeff if Dak Prescott can have the right mental makeup. It will likely serve him well. Meanwhile we want to say happy birthday to Cam. Newton the thirty one year. Old quarterback does remain unsigned. He was released as you remember by the panthers in the off season as the franchise leader in passing yards and touchdowns but questions stick around about his long term. Help after missing. Fourteen games last season with a foot injury and things are complicated of force by our current situation. Jeff Darlington because quite simply doctors team. Doctors and team officials cannot physically evaluate Cam Newton. Right now. So how long are we potentially see Newton without a team? I mean the whole season. Who who knows? I mean that's the thing we have to consider when it comes to Cam Newton and this is not the same as Jameis Winston. Andy Dalton. This is a guy who puts himself and rightfully so into an echelon that is above both of those players the Carolina Panthers Essentially Ultimately Fire Cam Newton because he couldn't get healthy enough. I mean Dave tepper. The owner said at the start of this off season that we're not willing to commit to them because we don't even know about shoulder and his foot and maybe there were other situations that led to that but if another teen years that from an owner and can't have their own doctors endorsed Cam Newton. It's going to be tough to pay them starter. Money on the flip side of it. What motivation or incentive does Cam Newton have right now to sign with the team as a backup when there is no football being played for the foreseeable future not even any practices scheduled or any real reason to learn a playbook at this point so if Cam Newton wants to wait it out to the point where someone gets hurt? That's in the starter position. I say go forward because quite honestly let's think about the scenario that potentially work best for him. Maybe the Seattle seahawks. Don't the be the backup. Jameis Winston style to Russell Wilson and that scenario. Why do that right now when you can continue to wait and then find out? Maybe another situation presents itself. That's better I think. Cam Newton can be plenty patient here and he doesn't have to wait. He doesn't have to sign with anybody until he feels most comfortable. Yeah I agree with you. Jeff only caveat I would add to that is that what say he needs to be on a team this season whether it's in a charter role or a backup role. I mean having a whole year off last year with the injury. Listen this game changes very quickly and the last thing you want to be doing watching it on. Tv as opposed to being in a locker room building relationships with coaches and other players and just staying around the game so I would say as as as patient as he can be right now. And you're exactly right with everything going on with posven everything else take your time. There's no but when when there is an opportunity as as it gets closer to being real football time. He is not a guy that I would say would be advantageous. Sit Out for an entire season although he is an different echelon to your point and those other guys he is definitely a harder in this game. At some point you want to be on a roster making sure you're taking care of yourself and showing everybody you're not afraid for work at it so I think patient early and then if we get into the and then I would say he definitely needs to be on Iraq. Yeah we're not just talking about sitting out one year it's essentially sitting out to jeff because Cam didn't play last year so for him sitting out two years. I'M GONNA say. Nah I definitely wouldn't do that. And let's be honest unless Kim most to be a backup which reports that he's open to being a backup cam at thirty one years old really only has one opportunity to compete in my mind for a starting job. And that's Jacksonville. If he thinks that he can beat Gardner garbage. You can go in there and get that job. And but here's a question you would ask if you do go in there. Let's say you sign a reasonable deal with Jacksonville. You Gordon there. Do you think that that team is ready to win? Now and you look at that personnel from a wide receiver standpoint. Do you have the supporting cast around to win? Or would you be better off and waiting on on another teen more talented team? Whether started gets hurt. And they have more incentive to bring in a veteran like Cam Newton so they can have play making ability at the quarterback position is in a position at thirty one years old. He's nowhere Ne- I don't think this career he may have to adjust his play because from a physical standpoint. He might not be able to run. It'd be the Cam Newton. Oh and that's okay. I just hope during this time they can is understanding what he can and cannot do and at the very least you can sharpen your skills as a quarterback mentally and I think that's the point where I wanna see cam continue to improve. Because I still think he has a lot of football left in Him Jeff just to just to be very clear like the idea of them sitting out here by all means should be the absolute last worst case scenario but to your point. I just think that he should make sure he's going into a good situation. Not just any situation and that's where I think that he would benefit to make sure that he is patient with this. Not just signing with the team just so that you can feel the comfort of being on a roster. Your home is important. That's why gyco helps make it easy to save on Homeowner's insurance because home is more than just a place home where he built a giant pillow fort in your living room and when people ask why you have a pillow fort in your living room. You say it's for your dog. And when they ask what kind you say chocolate lab and we have a web of lies. That's almost as intricate as the crown molding and Fort Pillow. The GEICO Insurance Agency could help protect the pillow. 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I understand that people will to needs much time as possible. I I always hear that people WANNA see him. Sit out the entire season and make sure his body is right. I was believe it when I see it when it comes to that every single time. We hear about a rookie quarterback potentially sitting out the rookie season. I think we see him by week. Five so my thoughts and estimations at some point this season. We're going to see too but by the way this is very good news to see signing this deal because you just never know some of the offset language that we've seen in the past. Sam Darnold wasn't in training camp on time. You know it's happened before. Were these top choices. Don't end up in camp. This is a good sign for quarterbacks picked in the top ten that in fact. We won't see any kind of hold outs this year. Yeah I think it's a great sign and and happy. Belated Mother's Day automotives out there. That's a great thing to deal for his mom it to me. This is just the next step in process for him. He's told everyone at his health and he's ready to go when the season comes you'll be ready to play and I get it. Ryan Fitzpatrick is there. I love fixing. That's my guy but fitzpatrick should no longer be the starter there in my even if even if he's healthy and ready to go. I think to talk about low and needs to start from day one. I think when you look at all the numbers quarterbacks get better by playing not by sitting on the bench favorite peyton manning. He played his rookie year. When you're on the field you're going to make mistakes as a player. That's how you learn you learn on the job so this whole idea of let's go and read Short Chung about Lord and give them extra time to heal and he's telling us I'm healthy. I'm ready to go. He signed the deal put to own the feel. Let him learn them the job. This is your franchise quarterback and I think the Miami Dolphins would be better off and I think the NFL. It'll be better off when you get these younger guys on the field to go with somebody young guys that we have now with watch. Mahomes Jackson get this young crop going and let them learn on the Job Jeff. I'm excited for two. I mean what a great deal for his mom and what a great you know. Just speak the relationship. They have But him getting this deal done is great for our game and so as you're looking at this guide to meet him in Miami at the Super Bowl. We didn't have together and he's just a class guy all the way around head of themselves. You would want the only thing. I think it's going to be an issue for him getting in being a day one guidebook is just with everything going on how quick and guys get in how shortage training camp and the beanie Pepsi using game. All of those things I kind of fall in line with you. Know Mitsu season or or or maybe game six or seven somewhere in that range just because of how shortened this off season potentially could be. But if you're looking at two I fully agree with you. He is the guy I mean you you. You don't draft them where you drive you. Don't bring them in you. Don't sign him as you do unless you want him to be your guy. He's telling everybody he's healthy. You saw the video Even before he got drafted he's worked very hard to get back and your point. No one gets better it. I mean this game was a game you you only learn by feeling the speed of the game made it. My fault on this interception was receivers. Fault was the offensive line. Call all those things have to happen. And the only way you learn about fitness sitting behind that thinner understanding. Get your job but continue to grow in and so. I'm excited for the dolphins. I think they're heading the right direction. Whether it's the first few weeks are moving onto to. I think they themselves up for the future and you know when we look at Scott Situation. I'm not saying you ever Russia guy out there before he's ready Russia guy out there before he's ready. I mean I think about back like you're already talking about the negotiations there and how you have to manage the salary cap. This is the time for teams to when they have a young quarterback on a rookie deal so that you can load up the rest of your roster and go win with him as soon as possible and the sooner you get him on the field and get him get acclimated to the NFL game. The sooner you're in a position as a roster and has a team to win a potential Super Bowl. We say it every year. Somebody says it every year. The quarterback won't start. He needs to rest easy. Never happens I doubt. I doubt that's the case here. The Green Bay packers made the most surprising. Move at the two thousand twenty. Nfl DRAFT WHEN THEY TOOK WARMER UTAH. State quarterback Jordan love at twenty six overall. That was one thing. But here's the thing they also traded up to do so. Everyone has an opinion on this and that include former packers quarterback Brett Farr. Who had this to say? Obviously with the understanding. Aaron Rodgers is probably less than please. I can't tell you how many times Aaron would ask or just tag along and watch film with me and he would ask questions like what are you looking at here. What are you thinking. Why did you check things like that and I would certainly offer my reasons that go out of my way to cultivate that relationship or say? Hey why don't you come watch film with me? No I'm not going to go out of my way but if you ask. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY NO. I think Aaron will do the same thing Listen that's an interesting dynamic. It's a complicated dynamic. Jeff Saturday what do you expect between Rogers and Jordan love actually agree with Brett? Farve right here. It's not errands job. to get Jordan love ready to play. I mean he's GonNa he's GonNa ask him to watch film breakdown tape you know. Help them on lipstick up all those kinds of things. They'll have good relationship in the quarterback room. The Aaron I forgot. He's going to be a good teammate. But I if if George love is shorting you better either be up by thirty now by thirty or air rogers. That'll be hurt because he's the guy. Did you have a chance to win the super bowl with not with a rookie quarterback and so in my opinion what? Brett Farve is saying is exactly right you WANNA help him. You're going to answer questions but it's not about getting him ready to play. It's about Aaron Rodgers getting ready to play and how he's done it for the past decade plus so you use that relationships you try to help them. And it's the same way our puzzle with Aaron Lock efforts. You WanNa help the guy you interest questions but it's not your God get someone betty you have to get ready to go win and and be the best player for your football you know what Jeb. I couldn't agree with you more. There's this idea the NFL did if somebody's radic at your position in a high rounded. I'm just GONNA walk in and turn my nose up to that guy that doesn't matter it matters whether or not Jordan love is a good. He's a good dude. He shows up the work and he asked question. Sure and Rogers is going to help him out. Aaron Rodgers is a professional when you have fifty three guys. In the locker room only thing that really matters you have good dudes. Everybody in the room is trying to win. That's the only thing that matters for a locker room. Can you help us win? If you can help us win and guess what you can ask me a question. I can ask you a question and we can figure out the answers. And what the betterment of the team is the only thing that were concerned with this whole idea that Aaron Rodgers is all of a sudden. You'RE GONNA throw the CO shoulder Jordan. Love that's not. How Pro Sports weren't. That's not how locker rooms work locker. Rooms transient you. They transcend race economic status. That's what the locker room does not tolerate. Here's what we want to note again. Can you help us win? Are you a good do? Are you showing up to work on time? Are you putting in the effort in the weight room? Are you framed correctly? Are you doing all the things you can do to help us win? That's what matters. Most Aaron Rodgers will be the ultimate professional. I still think he's going to be the quarterback in Green Bay for a long time because I still think he's an upper echelon quarterback and green bay in my opinion wasted a pick for after Jordan love. It is funny though because I hearing Brett far. Say these things that doesn't necessarily blend history that we heard Aaron Rodgers gotten to the League and never relationship did take. It's time to get to the place where it was. That wasn't the best relationship in the world so like I understand it got to that point but I actually will be more likely to be amenable because of what he went through when he first got into the League like Jordan love to Booker's point comes in and is a good dude and that is honestly one of the most underrated aspects of a becomes like that Aaron Rodgers. Going to be fine with him so far. Everybody has done things right here. Not leflore talking to Erin right after the draft pick happen Aaron calling on right afterwards too by the way so everybody for now is doing the right thing and down that path. I think it's going to be kun-bae by offer now. And by the way until Jordan. Love proves to be one of the best quarterbacks on the face of the planet Earth a safe in his job. Yeah listen I was in Green Bay during much of that whole ordeal and and I love Brett Farr for this revisionist history. And it's right there. If I remember correctly with regards to the relationship between Brett farve and Aaron Rodgers I think Jeff you make a very valid point.

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We'll check in with us at two o'clock eastern and then meantime. We'll wrap up the show with us at two thirty eastern to talk some football so a a lot of stuff for you today. Let's get right into jerry jones. I love jerry jones. Jerry jones in the cowboys. They are literally a content machine. You know i know some of you guys out there. You take jabs at e._s._p._n. And you're like what would you guys do without lebron. What would you guys do without the dallas. Cowboys is particularly. You're right. I don't know what we'd do without them. But jerry jones zeke elliott this drama that has been playing out with this particular holdout is unlike any we've seen in a long long time unfortunately for jerry. It's one that he's familiar with but yet still doesn't understand how this thing could end. Here's jerry jones with the latest on how he feels ezekiel elliott and this whole situation will play out right mind tire <hes> expectation for putting together as he was found anticipate not having a handwriting miss preseason guy. He's going to miss games except it's time for straight. Talk brought to you by straight talk. Wireless jerry jones man. He is always given us something. Here's the deal jerry jones and let's do a little history lesson here. We're back in one thousand nine. Hundred ninety three emmett smith was running back for the dallas cowboys and in one thousand nine hundred three emmett smith decided to hold out for more money which at the time <music> i'm he ended up eventually getting a record setting contract for running backs because they started owen to now that was a super bowl team michael irvin troy aikman and you know that great offensive line the great defense jimmy johnson all that this team is more reliant. I believe leave on the running back then. Even that team was and you'd think that jerry of all people would learn based off of history. Look at the guys that you have on this roster. They're not hall of fame players. That prescott is a good quarterback. Is he a great quarterback. I sure as hell don't know to you. I don't think there's enough sample size even to tell that now he may end up having to pay dak prescott but i think that's going to end up being his problem is that he's put himself in this conundrum where he's gotta pay doc. He's gotta pay zeke and he's gotta pay cooper which one do gyp dip a little bit which one dea shave off some dollars. If it were me it sure as hell wouldn't be zeke. Look at what zeke has produced for the dallas cowboys particularly what he's done for dak prescott. That's a solid a young quarterback right. He's thirty percent better with his play action passing when zeke's on the field feel that's not an insignificant amount. That's legit what makes the offense go because ezekiel elliott and yet when he touches the ball twenty three times or more last season the cowboys won every game one think think about those numbers for second zeke touches the ball twenty three times. They want all the games except one in that particular scenario. Zeke is the straw aw that stirs the drink and i know jerry is a master negotiator. Hell i'm in los angeles. Jerry got this deal done. He got not one but two football teams in los sandals so i'm not trying to knock gerry's negotiation tactics because more times than not. They certainly been way more fruitful. He's way more of a businessman than i could ever dream to be. You know what he buy in for the cowboys one hundred and what thirty forty million dollars and now it's worth five billion dollars so i'm not trying to knock his negotiation skills but i i think you gotta learn from your own history and you've been here before. This team isn't as talented as those triplets you had in the ninety s you need need every single one of these guys on board to give yourself a shot in the n._f._c. The n._f._c. is a gauntlet right now and you're just going to sit here and you're gonna say we'll just wait. We're good zeke and miss some games yeah i. I think that's fools gold man. I think that you're being silly now. I know that the season starts off relatively soft for dallas the giants washington and miami so in those three games. I mean you really should go. You know you probably could even go to in one but let's just say you go one and two then what because then you've got new orleans green bay at the jets look. I don't think the jets are going to be some sort of juggernaut by any stretch of the imagination but they're going to be about a five hundred squad so they're going to win some games and you're going on the road owed their and then you got philly before your bye week so it's very possible that you could be under five hundred heading into your bye week. Do you really and that's with zeke by the way even if they had zeke they could potentially be under five hundred. Do you wanna take that chance if you're jerry jones with ezekiel elliot. How do you not seen how much better he makes everyone around him. He's look if i'm arm with those type of numbers one would think that jerry and steven jones are armed with those kinds of numbers but the other aspect of this is and i don't think enough people are talking about this part of it yeah. We've talked about back but dacca's playing at right back is going low key. He's waiting for his deal to get done. We've i've heard the leaks right. Maybe he wants forty million. That cowboys wanted to pay him thirty million. They'll probably meet somewhere in between but i think the biggest challenge for the cowboys all boys beyond zeke is actually paying dak prescott because i'm not sure he's elite and i'm of the opinion and i'm in the minority forty on this stuff that there's going to be a quarterback bubble much like there was a housing bubble. I don't think every quarterback is built equally and yeah next man up and he becomes the highest paid in the next guy become the highest paid. Matthew stafford was wants to highest pig. I get all that but at some point on you have to look at the guy you have there and if you're gonna pay him the most money in the league for that particular position that guy be better be able to carry. You and i just don't have any faith that debt prescott can carry this team. Go look back and i know it was a couple ably years ago but go look back at the twenty seventeen season when zeke miss those games due to suspension cowboys went three and three and you look at those games there were two good games by back in that stretch and then there were a bunch of miserable miserable games thirty seven nine loss to philly twenty eight six loss to the chargers in those games. You're talking about <hes> no touchdowns five interceptions for dak prescott then had a couple of bounceback games beat washington beat the giants then they lost to oakland and seattle before zeke came back in those games dak prescott threw five touchdown passes nine interceptions. Yes it was a number of years ago. Yes he's gotten better as a quarterback but as he got that much better look at the way doc started last season when they started three and three. There's probably only one game there and he had zeke with him at that particular point so i think there's some real challenges to paying dak prescott not to mention once you pay the guy on the rookie contract at quarterback quarterback the winds. They just don't mount up the same way anymore. Here's some examples for you. Russell wilson seattle seattle seahawks he was on that crazy good contract seven hundred grand or whatever it was early in his career the seahawks win forty six and eighteen with four straight trips to the playoffs then seattle gave him his first big deal he had won. Almost seventy. Two percent of his games aims at that point since then. He's only one sixty one percent. That's decent drop off. You're talking about ten in percents. That could be the difference between a game or two and we all know in the n._f._l. And particularly in the n._f._c. that could be the difference you make in the playoffs or not matt ryan the atlanta falcons went to the playoffs. Four of his first five seasons also wanted a seventy two percent clip since being paid as the franchise player at quarterback. He's one forty eight percent of his games. So so you can make the argument potentially that if the cowboys ended up giving dak prescott an enormous contract and screw around with zeke elliot that their window may have been closed already. You legitimately can make that just just based off history so if i'm jerry jones and i'm the cowboys. I'm reassessing what the situation looks like. Go dig into the numbers. Go look at the play of your quarterback. Is it really elite or or is it just good because you've got a good team around because you have a good offensive line even though it's not as good as it was that offensive line as deteriorated rated some it's not the impenetrable wall that it once was so just be careful be very very very careful what you do if you're jerry jones by antagonizing ezekiel elliott because i think that could end up being the biggest mistake you make this particular season. The windows in the n._f._l. Are small and they're in sports in general. They're smaller than you think doesn't even have to be the n._f._l. Look at the n._b._a. We thought the warriors are going to win for a decade. We thought shacking kobe. We're gonna win for a decade. We thought lebron wade and bosch. We're gonna win for more than four years. That's for sure remember. Not one not two not three four five you get the point. All these windows and sports are way way smaller than you actually actually think and perhaps the cowboys window may have already closed. It's up to you jerry. You figure that part out the one thing jerry is good at. I don't use any debate as i mentioned earlier. Jerry jerry knows how to handle league business and our own dan drowsy. Yano has a report out there actually the original report. I want to credit the washington post but our dan graziano did some reporting on this to about jerry and all the owners figuring this preseason thing out. Let's hear from dan was the current collective bargaining talks between players and owners. It seems like the expansion of the season has become a more important priority for the owners than people thought it was is going to be at the outset of these talks and hand in hand with that they try and they said well. We'll cut back on preseason games. We can expand the regular season or expand. The playoffs were a little bit of both both so there is a sense around the league that preseason games are useless and stupid which i believe that they are. I think that <hes> you know fewer and fewer top players are playing in them as we discussed earlier and the risk of injury is a significant factor for teams at this point. Dan one thing you write about preseason in games are stupid and they're pretty significant at this point and you know who taught us all that sean mcvay the head coach of the los angeles rams he hasn't played played anyone on his roster of any significance into pre seasons now and that's the right way to go. You're talking about a sport in the n._f._l. That eventually becomes a battle of attrition in most cases so because of that you gotta make sure your guys are healthy and even then you can't can't safeguard against that can't scotchgard guys right. You can't put them in bubble wrap but if they can take less hits in meaningless games that don't don't count i get it. Here's the one thing i like where the owners are right now more playoffs everybody everybody likes that in baseball people complained about it originally because of all the purest how i don't wildcard i remember when the marlins and indians played in the one thousand nine hundred seven world series and a man who i think is the greatest broadcaster sports broadcaster of my generation bob. Kostas was not happy about that but you know what eventually it worked. You know why because of hope that's what sports traffics in hope the more hope you have the more fans fans are interested and the more the media's interested and the more dollars compiling it. Everybody loves playoff games. Yes the n._f._l. Is king out of what was it like. Three hundred of the top shows <hes> this past calendar year. I think to fifty or n._f._l. Games something ridiculous like that but there's a reason for that scarcity right. It's supply and demand economics. You don't need more preseason games. You don't need to expand the regular season dilute that this crazy notion of expanding rosters or putting a cap on guys and how many games they could play in the regular season if they wanted to play eighteen well. We may only allow them to play sixteen. No no that stuff stupid. That's silly playoffs. That's where the money's at because networks like e._s._p._n. N._b._c. fox c._b._s. and the like are all in on spending money for playoffs because everybody is huddled around their tv set hoping their team can win and i've got three other words for you that allows this particular function to work even more so in the hunt hunt. How many times have you watched the football game late in the season on e._s._p._n. Or n._b._c. fox c._b._s. And the graphic comes up in the hunt they got the playoff picture and then they got like thirty seven teams in the hunt at like five hundred. You're gonna be in the hunt a lot longer which means fans in cities like new york for example where i think the jets as i mentioned earlier earlier about an eight and eight nine seven type team. Maybe they get into the playoffs now. If you expand the playoffs by one team in each side and then you do reward that team that won the regular season and give them a by you. Don't give to buys anymore. This is very simple. It's such an easy fix and mark maskey. The washington. Post was the original reporting on this show. Wanna give him all the credit but this to me makes all the sense in the world just based on that. If you're the cleveland browns or the baltimore ravens this you're the pittsburgh steelers. That division is going to be a bloodbath. All three of those teams could potentially finish nine and seven now. There's a pretty good chance in the current format that maybe one team makes it. Maybe two team makes it's rare that we have three teams out of a division even if they deserve it actually make the playoffs. It's only happened what five six times something like that but if you add one more what's being discussed is a lot of different things owners have brought up the possibility of eighteen game regular season in two preseason games they brought up the possibility of a seventeen game regular season and what that would do the preseason possibility of adding a new playoff team in each conference per year giving only one team a first round bye so the preseason is likely to shrink as a result of the plan that the owners hope they can pull off to expand the season all those guys in there and you have hope with those teams then all of a sudden. You're going to be in good shape. If you're the league. You're gonna find yourself in a situation where the more interest there is around the country. Were teams feel like even if they're under five hundred with two or three games to go that they're in the hunt. The n._f._l. Is gonna be in the hunt for more dollars which let's face it. It's what we want. We don't want meaningless games. We want games that matter. It's what we want here in america. Oh gimme stuff that don't count. We don't even like ties in america. It gives games that don't even count slice those games in half half gimme two teams that are playing five preseason games with the hall of fame gimme two preseason games. Give me an extra playoff game. You'll make up the money on that and you're good to ago that straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless everything for less only at walmart coming up next. We're gonna dive into major league baseball my buddy tim cartoons gonna stop by the mets clearly have proven to be a disaster after going. All in the yankees are are only getting healthier. Dodger fans are freaking out about this series this past weekend against the yankees what's real what's not we'll get into that that would tim kirch in just a second but first when it comes to hiring you don't have time to waste. You need to get your shortlist of qualified candidates and do it fast. That's why you you need indeed. Dot com post a job in minutes set up screener questions based on your job requirements then zero in on the qualified candidates using an intuitive online dashboard discover why more than three million businesses use indeed for hiring post a job today at indeed dot com slash iheart. That's indeed dot com slash higher. Tim cartoon e._s._p._n. Insider ryder joins us next year on the stephen. A smith show jornada in for steven when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste. You need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. 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Member f._d._i._c. so let's talk a baseball here with my buddy. Tim cartoon e._s._p._n. M._l._b. will be insider. <hes> thank you for joining us appreciate the time how are you. I'm good to excellent excellent. We're winding down here. I've got so so much stuff to talk to you about. Let's start with the dodgers yankee series from a couple of days ago because i've got dodger fans here in l. a. freaking out. I've got yankee fans as well as you know. I'm one of them are kind of puff out their chest a little bit especially with the reinforcements coming in <hes>. How much do you make of what transpired over the weekend between in those two ball clubs well. I think it just showed again just dangerous. The yankees can be when most of the pieces are in place place. Most notably aaron judge swinging the bat like we know that he can't and it is a frightening proposition all teams the thought of that yankee lineup full force in october and yet. It's the same end they not. He jin ryu around which just doesn't doesn't happen very often so that was very encouraging. If you're a yankee fan but bombed the dodgers. I'm not worried about anything right now other than maybe kenley kenley jansen house down and is he in the back end of the bullpen nothing that happened would make me really worry as dodger fan 'cause. They have the best team in the national. The yankees are really good. They got beaten by a really good teams and there are three elite teams going into the playoffs is gonna be houston the dodgers and the yankees handke's and it's gonna be fun to watch at least those three to i sorry about that. We had a little technical difficulty here so i apologize. We're back here. George pseudo in for for steven steven a. smith show and tip kirk joining us here on the line timmy. You mentioned the bullpen and sorry about that. We had some issues here on this ed. You mentioned the bullpen nine for the dodgers and kenley jansen. I think there are bigger problems in that. I look at them at forget about just the ninth inning. Which is the most important but what are they doing. Seven and eight just to get to jansen that to me is a big question mark for them as well. How do you view that well. I think that's part of the issue. I think i said the back end of the and that just doesn't mean the ninth inning it needs getting to the ninth inning and i thought they would do more at the trade deadline they got out and cleric is really we gotta help them because he knows what he's doing out there and he got some funky delivery and donkey arm angles and everything else but i thought they would do more and let's say that that is critical. Especially in october is having a feast versatile both and the good thing the dodgers have is when their rotation is right amy laughs from their bullpen and most teams which means kershaw review <hes> bueller and others are gonna have to be really good if worried about the seven three minute tim kirkman with this year e._s._p._n. Insider let's flip to the yankees side of this. We're going to talk about the astros as well but <hes> the yankees have a wealth of riches right now. It seems like anybody they've brought up has just been able to plug into the lineup and perform at a high level. They're going to get some guys back here. <hes> what kind of decisions do you think aaron. Boone is going to have to make moving forward here well. He's gonna have some really difficult decision but i think i think the biggest decision is what. What are we going to do with jim. Carlos santana. He's been out for a long time and he's going to play when he comes back given given his status in the game and salary and who he is the question is who does he replace and how long does that last is gino orsha or shell on sit down like talk to these guys sit down and play when they've been absolutely critical to this point to me that will be the biggest decision susan that aaron boone is what if giancarlo stanton four and then it could be someone else but i think he's the prime example of this what if if he comes back and is relatively easy out which he can be when he's not swinging the bat very well or if he's slightly injured or little rusty you keep him in there and keep a really good player who helped you so much this year on the bench that will be the difficult call for arab boot the most difficult call to me. You know that the yankees had to know what they were getting into with him clearly his you know we know what his ceiling is an m._v._p. But the injuries have i've been things that have plagued him in his past and i'm a big believer of the biggest predictor of future injury is past injury. How do you see him kind of developing hoping there in new york and and just kind of how his career goes. Are you worried about that aspect of it at all. I'm not worried after this year for his sake. Take a little wordy this year for precisely what is going to happen but what i what does he comes back and he really struggles right. What do you do then and he has to sit. What's he gonna be like moving forward. I don't think they can move that contract. George i think they i hate to use the word stuck because they're not but they're kind of stuff with him so they had and that's part of the dynamic here. They have to keep him happy moving forward because he's going to be on their team from what i can tell. That's the tricky part but i think he'll be healthier next year. I think whatever has happened to him this year and whatever will happen happen is going to drive him for next year and he's way way cute good and too young and strong to be done in any way <music> as effective plan to cartoon e._s._p._n. M._l._b. insider with us here on these stephen smith show george sodano in for stephen today here on e._s._p._n. Radio and sirius x._m. Channel eighty and e._s._p._n. News news so to me. Let's flip to the astros. What is their weakness. George vado have a weakness and the dodgers back into the bullpen which was talking about the yankees started. Pitching is questionable in certain spots. I don't see a weakness for the astros. At this point there are three in the rotation is as good as there is in baseball. There lineup went. Everyone healthy is absolutely relentless and their bullpen is is in better shape than l. A.'s bullpen not as good as as the yankee bullpen but it's good and that's why i think the astros would certainly be the team to in the american league at baby the major when the postseason <hes> every team has been. I frankly don't see it with the astros tim curcio this year tim the team that hits the most home runs or you know really if you go back three years now. The team in the top three in home runs generally tends to win the world series if you're in that particular area as far as team home runs are concerned. You tend to win. The minnesota. Twins are a juggernaut when it comes to hitting home runs. You are a real historian when it comes to major league baseball. I see this on the front page of e._s._p._n. Dot com today <hes> when it in regarding the <hes> in regards to the minnesota twins are they the best home run team ever and i have you here on them. What do you make of their chances once they get to the postseason. Well gonna hit more homers this year than any team by definition. They're going to be the greatest home run team ever they've already hit the most home runs of any team and we haven't even got the number yet but george. We'll have to keep this in perspective on what is going on this year. It is a whole run season like we've never seen before or even close and we smash my record all the time but this year where the pace to be there by eight hundred home runs sixty seven hundred home runs this year. It's way too many still tend to twins win. Just just didn't homers. I would say no. They're pitching good enough for me. Beat the astros or the yankees or the dodgers but you count out a team that can hound it like that. Team can is a major mistake. I don't think the rest of the team is up to par with. Those three elite teams are we just talked about. The wild card race in the national league is very tight right now. It's still tight enough where you know you have to pay attention to a number of teams. <hes> obviously the nationals and cubs are there the phillies the brewers even the diamondbacks and to some extent the mets. I wanna get to in just a moment. But how do you view that particular race well. I think you've ever cubs. Cardinals are gonna win the division and whatever team doesn't win. The division is gonna win awhile card. I think they're going to win the second wildcard with the national reading the first wildcard the nationals george are really good right now. They can score runs. We see especially the last few weeks and the top of their rotation with the help healthy. Max scherzer is really really good. That's how i see the national league ending up and i'm sorry i just don't see the maps or the brewers or the phillies diamondbacks with the giants. They get a real push <hes> at the wild card. I think you're gonna get a bigger. It's bigger lead than either sable. Chicago and washington goes to the playoffs as a wildcard. How much of a mistake did the mets make the deadline tim him i one of two ways to look at it towards the mistakes they made was everything they did before the season started giving coming up young players for eight second basement and putting so much into a one inning reliever hasn't been particularly good once you've come <hes> this far and the goal is to win and that's all the general manager has on his mind cause. That's what ownership told him to do. We want you to win now. How did the right thing at the trade deadline going for it and actually bringing some excitement to clean for the first time in a while but in the end i think it's going to be proven quite clearly that they made a mistake going for this at the beginning of the year but midseason it was too late. It was too late eight to make change might as well try to win. They tried they made a good run at it but it's not gonna be enough to coaching with this year last one tim speaking of disappointments and what kind of fallout if any do you expect from boston's disappointing season well. They're not done yet george but i i just we don't see them passing cleveland and or minnesota tampa bay or oakland. Those things are better than the red sox right now but i think the red sox are gonna take a oh really hard look at where they are with free agency coming up for some guys with opt out for j._d. Martinez what are we gonna do with movie beth. Is he gonna assigning long-term. I think they're going to spend the winter asking themselves. Some really difficult questions and i wouldn't be shocked if they shook up that team but my guess is. They're going to stay roughly with what they have. I think martinez stays the rest of the guys are signed. They're gonna try to resign. Mookie betts and i think if you're gonna have relatively the same team next year as they do this year but if they shook it up i wouldn't be totally surprised did cartoon u._s._b. M._l._b. insider an analyst with us stephen smith show giordano in for stephen timmy always a pleasure. Thanks for the time. George take care have a great holiday weekend that that was tim. Kirkman baseball season rolls along tune in tomorrow as bryce harper in the phillies host. The mets presented by indeed coverage begins at three thirty eastern on e._s._p._n. Radio and e._s._p._n. App this player resumes brought to you by indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring post a job today at indeed dot com slash higher. I coming up next. We got another mellow story. Mellado go away. Mellow doesn't wanna go away and i'll tell you where he could end up next and now i fought from geico motorcycle. It took fifteen minutes to take a spirit animal quiz online. 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I'm going to win the game and then of of course they had the lead in the fourth quarter and i've fooled myself into thinking they'd win the game and of course then i left furious. That's phantom for basically. Let me grab a couple of calls here people. You're all riled up about the cowboys conversation zeke conversation <hes> that i was having early. It's gonna jay in long island. What's up jay. You're on the stephen a smith show. Hey how you correct yes sir. I'm good and yourself. I'm good okay. <hes> kirk cousins has one how many playoff games zero right. I wouldn't pay him either but he got paid right. Carson wentz has one zero playoff games yeah one good one great season season and that prescott has had a team in the playoffs to three years he hasn't had losing records and he hasn't had the weapons or some of these other guys other news which is running back. You know he had a dez bryant. I couldn't get over all jason within so he didn't have the receivers fevers and he played you know if you watch green bay packer games. His first playoff game was coming back that has nothing to do with zeke we gave that has performed well in the biggest moments but you know also performed well in the biggest moments joe flacco. You know what i'm saying that that's the reality of it though you know like he he performed at the right times to get paid and i gotta run jason. Thank you for the call. That's the biggest challenge you have is once you pay the quarterback i gave you. The numbers look at matt ryan. Look at russell wilson. Those guys were winning seventy two percent of their games and now russell wilson is at sixty you want still good but not elite as far as winning percentage is concerned. 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The One With Stephen Jones

The Keith Blakemore-Noble Radio Show

28:24 min | 1 year ago

The One With Stephen Jones

"The you're listening to the key but I think more noble radio show helping you transform your deepest fears into your greatest strengths is your host key notable Welcome back to another episode D listener. Viewer however you're catching us. Welcome back and this week I have got my guest. Even Doan's Stephen Goons Stephen Jones. The business disruptor those of you who listen to some of my previous shows We call it Stephen Year ago this this time where we're going to be highly focused around all around the fears around around sales in a really interesting one. He's got a rather different take on it so it's not stuff that you've heard before but for those of you who haven't come across Stephen All maybe those of you happen just kind of refreshing. Let me give you a little bit of a little bit of his bio while he was always going to run his own business basically when he was ten he went right into other houses in the area doing chores for cash then in he realized that his friends who wanted money could do the work for him. I could just collect some of the money deal with clients. Pay His friends half. Many's the lesson was learned to that time that he draws upon even that. This is the age of ten. You can see. This is quite remarkable guy. He tried to real jobs several Saturday jobs. He didn't like the concept of Working Hawk for somewhere else. The prophet just never seen fat phosphate university not final year election campaign against Hilary Benn job interview. The publishing house and suddenly he graduated is talking about pension schemes mortgages life insurance. He ran to Australia. Obviously he set up a little sales consulting in business reviewing sales teams and sales processes. Yes this was at the age of twenty one and he was published efforts then took a year off went to the. US wrote a gold wing around. Now that's an episode. We need to record. Sometimes you're in Canada setting investments which he did well. Let's what's on the by the late. Nineteen ninety he had established a venture capital company with offices in Dallas and in London. He has lost everything having twice. He's rebuilt twice been divorced twice and he's a single father twice yesterday. Kids doesn't do things by half off. He doubles up. That's my yesterday Stephen. Jones Hey Steven how you doing after that. I'm doing quite well. You sound amazing take you into my networking events with me fantastic. Let's negotiate the rates laid off of the commission learning absolutely absolutely so yeah. Your sales. Destructive businesses do sales disruption option as. Well it's it's born of a concept the a quick back story on it two thousand and three. I lost the money the first time. Two thousand five six I was back in the UK rebuilding. Nobody would hire me because I was unemployable. Because because I've been running my in business for so long didn't have sector the specialist in some is set up the networking events and set up Managed Growth Program Program for small businesses. Realized that everybody hates selling because it's really difficult to that's really weird because I've been selling most most of my life and technically one way or another we will ask selling whether it's woven into without mates on Friday night to wife or girlfriend you know so whether it's why we can't go to parents Christmas this year. We're all trying to think of ways to sell stuff but we don't call it selling. And then I went went off to the Middle East and of land and several years later on back in the U K next the networking events realized. People don't know how to sell the scared of it. It's a problem problem and and it took a while for it to sink. In the reason people scared of sales as if we sat in a room now with a thousand or one hundred thousand people that got one. Give me the first. We'll do it. Give me the first thoughts. Come into your mind. If I say sales person who character traits you always do this. Put me on the spot at my job to put on this disrupt. What can I say they do? uh-huh salesman you're gonNA think you're going to think lease is the first one the first one that has known the first one or second of a get variations fat. You know shiny suit pushy. Talks too. Much doesn't listen Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. So you're hypnosis you talk about an l. p. and hypnosis all the rest of these these are the brain retuning things his me sitting here running my own business and and I realize I have to start selling but when I think about sales people think of negativity I think of to say hold on regular beheaded later but we don't think of Nice genuine people we think of horrible stuff and then we think okay. Now go out and sell so your brain is basically telling yourself you've got to become something that you despise or fear is we don't like being sold to and then people wonder whether or not very good at it because they've created this system wet right from the beginning there already negatively and in a position to quote you'll you'll works folks here so the reason I called. Stop selling start growing what I called. It was because people need to stop associating what that doing going to grow that business with selling a make it more about growing the business so that the very basis of it is that we we stop selling selling your stuff to people we start engaging in conversations with people who might be in a position to buy what we have so we're trying to create an environment. Where if somebody comes to you and bias from you rather than you shing stuff in that sites you know the history? Ibm Sort of doing it. that the different levels of IBM you had to wear a different color kind of tie so you knew robots all those guys and sales all those guys to Agnel the guys management based on the color of the suit and tie only for Chrysler would they would turn up. I guess sixty fifties sixties seventies with a briefcase. They'd put them down and take an older stuff. Nego- could be see. This is I don't pony show and all this stuff and all these things and features advantages benefits. This is a book. The facial book your white advantage because what's the benefit you've got something to write too much more intelligent intelligent much more open to the concept of Y. I so now. If you're going to buy something whether it be a service or put chances are you'll go online. The chances are you're going to research it. If you're working in a company you probably have to get three quotes anyway so you WanNa make sure that if you're quoting you've actually got a chance of winning the business before you start growing thing but the whole thing feeds back into that fear in that if you'd started off on the wrong foot I I'm trying. I'm just telling trying to sell and trying to sell your always going to have that resistance in your own. Mind before you have it in this and that resistance crates more resistance. Sure absolutely absolutely absolutely I mean. We'll we'll go on to look a little bit about the whole stop selling side of things in in a a couple of moments because that's fascinating really want us to dive dive into even though we've only got about twenty five minutes in this episode. We can still do a shallow dive. We Ah I mean. We talked very briefly. And you mentioned that people escape selling I always. You've you've done a lot of sales training and what with a lot of people. Wh what kind of the big. The most common fears that people have around selling so again. I think the biggest one is this whole concept of what sales is in a way and again we're selves that negatively because we instantly think of bad things when we think of salespeople ago I have to become a bad thing and then people start saying things to me like oh well I don't like talking on the phone I've had women tell me I don't like talking on the phone. I've never met a woman yet. That doesn't like talking on the Frank Friends and we have to take a timeout. Sorry sorry policies that the BBC view the Kid walking in isn't it. I don't have a nanny to come dragging the kid up just badly badly prepared right. I'm sorry about that. The Nizam hopefully bright basic success for me comes from that it stems from that basic concept of the beginning of ICON do something. Because it's very negative. Very Bad ed that steps to start it again people talking on the phone guys tend not to like to talk as much on the phone. If it's they go friend or the why for the mother but if you put down in front of the mate in the pub or talk for hours so again if we can disassociate selling on pushing something to people will start talking about having a conversation with someone that has indicated they might be a potential user of what it is that advice that I I do or offering has then we're basically creating a paradigm shift in the brain which is probably what y'all hypnosis does with people Louis Schedule spiders and things in that are no longer thinking. I've got to sell to this person to sell this person instead. You'll having your initial call with somebody with the lead so you have lied and that lead you haven't initial conversation with defined that if they are a prospective client own off your qualifying them so you're not saying think only I I'm I'm Steven. I do I do business. DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ON BUSINESS IS NOT GONNA fix problems on. I have to have this problem. I fix that and then I do. Listen to that and I'm not going to have any problems in my business houses in one about all in the case of a guy. That's it's in my stocks group. He doesn't actually have a business. He's a personal trainer. He's being targeted by an action by a well known company does coaching to sign up the history course. It doesn't sorry business coach. Somebody haven't don't even go company in place yet. It's ridiculous concept so the idea is is. I'm going to have a conversation for example with you keys and I'll say hi Cathy. I'm Satan Statement. I understand through whatever the direction the lead came to me is whether through networking I saw coming on facebook. I understand that you'll having issues in your business I'm talking about that. was going on so simple as wow now. If we built up some sort of re pool or we yeah. We've we've come into together face a little bit and ask you that question. The chances are you're going to say well. Yeah inaugural poem the vessel that appliance or the client leaves. I'm getting inverting inverting. Invoicing people properly. I lose track of where I'm with my clients. Whatever the problems are as you start to talk to that your creating my proposal so all the problems are then things can come back and say they will okay? I understand what you're saying about. You don't have enough clients. I'm not a lead generation specialist by any stretch imagination. What I can do though? I'm going back then. I will give examples like that. Where if I can't help you when something I will be saying during the compensation and that's not something that I specialize in I could do this? I could do that and I could recommend somebody to help you with the other. But that's not something that I concentrate on. Why am I doing that? I'm doing that because I'm engendering. A position of trust best between the two of us were on being not actually kind of help you that he's not just trying to sell me. Something interest in swam now becoming a consultant. Help help you solve your problem so again. The the biggest various sort of contingency do that love the biggest it is. We used to do so cold and I used to Dyal royal twenty to thirty miles an hour. Sit there with the folks in the Crock of the neck. You have special things you could probably showed if you want to just just basically dial numbers and I'll get five an hour which was enough to get out one canal which was enough for me to get out nuff books today that close minimum minimum two units a week one hundred thousand units and. That's that's what we did and we would bring people into that environment and the Oh because then went to say no bills. They'll say a lot worse than knowing him up. And you're selling oil wells. Believe me because some people love money and oils EPA fuel bandits. I've had an their issues that we had one guy who went through the whole process. That guy accepted the dining fix Ready in the check in the in the in the contract in the Senate back we started flips in the morning whipped. Whip up this one and the guy had taken the dunk in the envelopes. Oh Nice and sent back. That's that's a level of rejection. Most people don't do missile. No on the phone is is nothing compared to exactly right Luckily wasn't those overlook that day so I was quite happy but the the idea is if we can shift off thinking from thinking I've got to sell to this person and shifted to an environment where we say. Actually this person might want to play while I have housed. We should be removed that fear in Thailand. It shouldn't be an issue. Got It so I guess a lot of people's so when they're making that initial always or go to make a sale whereas what you're actually doing and she simply make having a chat with them figuring yea. Is there anything that you usually do to help this person absolutely. Let's let's take a step further. You gotTA lead. I'll use example. Could you sit in that on my call your Keith. I'm John told me to give your coat. He said you having some problems you business. I understand yeah you might just being bantered the pub. Or whatever but I've helped how quiet of businesses lust countries isn't GonNa do to help left. Do what what what what's going on. What was that? What was the issue that you actually? I'm fine I didn't have a problem. if that changes his my number on my email facebook whatever happened to have a chat. It's no commitment twenty minutes so what's going on and see if I can help done. That's the worst that can happen. Yeah realistically because you can't reach through the phone and hurt me okay. Well we're not going to get into the whole week. Could hurt me with words because but but but my attitude is okay. If somebody's somebody's come to me is a lead and I don't care how they've come to music lead that that tells does need they are potentially somebody that I could help with a problem and that for me is the key because if I'm thinking I'm going to pick up the phone and and speak to somebody not speaking to people for twenty minutes half an hour The nipper paid me. But they've got off as Jesus you know what guys done. I'm from is amazing. Free doesn't matter because that's my marketing costs me twenty minutes of my time. Somebody's happy they're gonNA talk about me or they're gonNA mention people have done announced that you actually need to speak as he helped. Moving like problem. the worst is going to happen. Is You're going to say no interested. That's fine Is obviously you. It is a problem. Didn't call co you out of the blue out of a telephone book before There was a genuine inquiry of some. I'm description and I followed up on that Trans if I can help you. Why am I going to be scared of helping people? And that's the power shift. I think people need in selling is to stop thinking Carr's a as a as an archaic horrible scary Tussle and fight Chechens and they're gonNA say they've got a call the I should go to the vet is the dog This month that have to pay the bills to make sure they can afford it because the phones but be renewed in January and December rewards. Olga's August is always an excuse to say no and if you're in a sales battle somebody's GONNA win. Somebody's GONNA lose and I don't. It will like fighting. I'm not I'm if I have to fight if I must have I will but I don't want to go into a situation where I'm finding from the start and that's what most people doing comes to sales. That's the biggest mistake in sales. It's a fight. I'm going to win all they're GonNa win if you watch film boiler-room things they've got quite like. Everybody wins on the sales quoting the he wins by convincing. You want. He's not going to buy from you. Will you win by convincing him. Why he is make a fight out of it? Jesus if you I need help I'm here. I can help if you don't want my help. That's fine but if you wanted to talk about why you might need it. Make sure if you do 'cause when I'm qualifying people. I'm along fine to see if I can work for them more with them. I'm calling fund a safe. I won't Miss Person Working with me and taking up my time is is there a little problem clients out there. Tell me about it. I think that is a very important point that you made night. It's worth reiterating so when you when you're having your your initial show chat with someone it's not a case so we we've already covered off on you don't say hey Yes by myself going to work. But you're also it just as much as you're seeing if you can help them and ask seeing whether they feel they could work view the reverse is also true. y'All uh-huh basically saying do I really want to with them. Can they be a good client for me. I guess that's something going off track slightly. It's still it's still on. I see it as part of the important paradigm shift to stop people. I didn't have a magic one to wave and say go in there and go sell because it's not going in and selling isn't GonNa work anymore the way that it used to do you go to a car. I used to use the example. If you went out had you to buy a New Sofa for example and you'd spend a couple of weeks line you look different styles with the prices. You know your budget you walk into into DFS or any other ration- of Sofa shop on Saturday morning with a significant other or on your own if you don't have one sells walks. Can I help you the first thing your mouth is nearly always going to be. No thanks just looking. You mind busted what you want. Then she wants to spend and you know what the material is it you want on it but you said no to a salesman because it's okay to lie to salespeople you gotta help for that but because you know he's going to try and sell you something you had to by something something you don't want to be sold to the other example you get your podcast shorter than an hour. So that's an example. You're you basically boil it down to I want to I something I go into adult. Those in the shop says would you like to buy something I say. No good point you might just weird some of the the way that we do and these things an techniques the you you've got to start thinking swallow was laugh about. Let's get outside out of the box. I've never lived in a box. I always being with my life but if you think about that for example you don't want to be so too who so. Why the hell do you want to their? You don't read those emails that come in from the spammy Malcolm ends and stuff that you wanted to look at things from each delete them or they go straight he junk box. Why do you think people are gonNA reviews if if you examine your behavior? And why you buy. What motivates you to buy from people? Then you'll start to understand how you can get people to buy from a brilliant thing that if you don't want to buy from me no matter how good I am a salesman the closer you not going to buy from me is still inside a tip. I've worked in environments where people have been persuaded cajoled cajoled whatever attempts you want to use into buying stuff and again films like boiler room and Wolf Wall Street those environment. I used to be in and I've seen people by I didn't want to by by being pushed into it. Bullied controlled mocked whatever and guess what they make. Crappy claims I can imagine yes. You're selling oil room stock. You don't give it down about your clients and you just want the money ahead bully people into it and don't worry about giving them money back when they complain or whatever and see how long your your success loss if you want to build a truly successful business and and and really have good. Relations appliance take the time to understand the the needs and deliver on those needs. And you'll never sell in your life ever. Yeah got it got it. I'm still thinking back to that. So for example you gave Dave I guess really the The salesperson there is the one who almost killed a sale as approach. And I guess the approach should be making it easy easy for the person who comes in to feel safe and to feel that when they're ready to buy they know the person to. Hey you know. I'm interested in this over his his a silly Alexandra how that can be done station training on this people but customer walks into the store an anomaly. The sales cosby gathered around like like like fi news awarded watching her wedding for fresh meat. And and and they'll be a power line and they'll be the guy that gets the first one and they get so the Komo the hunting already set of doing that separate yourselves around the store. We'll grand move things around you know fix the cushions on this show for the book on the Coffee Table. Able on their whatever When you see something else hi I'm guessing you're just browsing going to say that anyway the way right up upfront? I guess you're just browsing but is there any particular styler so if you're looking for the day no thanks. I'm just browsing Sitcom say that anymore. Because he's yeah well. Yeah we're looking for a two seater okay. Well we've got some exit one over there. I'M GONNA take a look at anything you need help with some. Give me a shout. My Name's John. B B to chat with you see if we can get the right so the stall your needs and they walk off the whether to going. He's silliness anything. Negative almost GONNA take you a scenario going taking away. The opportunity for them to be sold out and then we'll hang on him and I wanted to be so and off. They go see my thing on three packages. You'll you'll see people actually push Russia cheap option and look at the most expensive in the and the middle one knowing that they're going to go for the mid one you take away the most expensive one takeaway options from people you. The objections is that people come up with at the end as to why they're not going to buy you use the front end for the qualification process. So you say I know you're probably just browsing browsing just want to have a look around. That's fine is there any particular style you're looking for banks suddenly you've just you've just changed. The kind of that stole Briggs. Now people are thinking. Let's the cell to me. That's good. I'm actually I did have a question. I wanted that style but with that material. Is that possible actually yet. Now you're GONNA conversation about buying not being sold to in that same Kaya. That's the point of this is to stop selling. I think that is a brilliant point at which to To join join us through those. I know there's a lot more stuff that you can share with people Those who want to get in touch and have a chat to find that little bit more about. What do we just chat about? Some of the problems they're having what's the best way to find out more from the beginning touch with you speak on my facebook page. The businesses disruptor It's easiest way to get in contact with anybody anymore. Facebook I have got separate group on facebook which is stop selling stop growing group and and that's designed for people that maybe don't want to take the plunge and spend money on one to one training or they don't have a group of people or teams and they just want to sort of the ease themselves into it and just twenty quid a month so they can get on there and The Guy I was talking about full on the personal trainer. He doesn't have a a business but he's been on there and he doubled his sales and paid for foyer. With of course in the I I think it was four weeks Bama in life going I can live with those recommendations and testimonies. They didn't have it so if they want to find your juice look up the business. Business disruptor on fund. You really. Well Stephen it has been an absolute blast as always generally. I never know where these things are Toco. Robbing we have some really cool stuff in that Anybody who wants to say anybody WANNA find out more. You can get all of Stephen Finding that the businesses through facebook all check out the website for this episode. You'll find all of the episodes at Keith Blakemore. Noble Dot dot com slash. Show the couple's episode with Steven Jones. You'll find more information you find. More contact details show notes summaries et CETERA. I'm not really. Is it for this episode. Thank you dear listeners. For Ambulance for joining us. Thank you Steven for joining us without that. It'd be very weird episode as always. I'M GONNA leave us all with my guess. Favorite quote and Stevens favorite quote is sorry this is this slept so long. I didn't have time to write a short one. You've been listening to the Keith Blakemore. Noble Radio Show helping me transform on your deepest fears into your great strengths to find out more lease visit. Keith bike more noble dot com.

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