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Hour 2: LeBron or Zion's Rookie Year

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54:10 min | 7 months ago

Hour 2: LeBron or Zion's Rookie Year

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Espn that he would execute a clause in his contract for a third fight with fury. Hopefully sometime this summer so it looks like the rematch. Well Happen Molly. That's only a fury. Also agrees fury has also agreements. Thank you clearly. That's an important detail. Listen Steven when he came out powerful black history month tribute. We saw the costume the whole thing. But how bad does this look for wilder? He's serious here Kellerman Molly. I'm very fond of deontay wilder. I've spoken to him on several occasions. You know away from the boxing arena. Whatever I really really like him so I hope that he accepts what I'm about to say in the spirit that it's given. This might be the most embarrassing. Excuse that I've ever heard for a guy losing the fight. I am not questioning. Its validity. Max I'm not saying that it may not be true. I'm not questioning. He's an honorable dude. I will take him at his word but my God. This is just not something you publicize the outfit that you wore to the ring wearing over forty pounds is why you think you lost this fight. What the hell you were to rank four. According to the report you tried it on the night before you knew how much weight at that particular moment in time. Why would you do that? Why would you go? I understand black history month and all of that you know on everybody by going into ring and win it not by going in with an outfit off for crying out loud that what would you fights okay. So why go? With the way the same thing you always wore as opposed to something different experimenting in the biggest fight of your career. That's number two MAX number three. He just got beat up he got beat up and I'll give him credit. I didn't see I thought his legs we're going in the first round. He says by the ground and around to my legs I thought it was going into route. He just looked out a bit not question. What publicize this excuse is? Nothing short of embarrassing. And then we hear him. Max You want to get rid of mark freelance trainer. Because you know you're hearing that he was listening to some fight in the crowd all the wild. I don't know if anybody's told you this. I thought the fight should have been stopped two rounds earlier. I thought they could have stopped it in a fit. They could've stopped it in the six. I thought mark really waited too long. So when you say that he's probably not going to be in your corner and then you read the quote listen to this quote Maxim Molly. I'm going out on my shield. I'm a warrior. I say I'm willing to kill a man in the ring then. I'm willing to abide by that same principle as a warrior to die in the ring. Deontay wilder that's not what the train is supposed to be about the trade supposed to be about not just trading you but saving you. I mean I mean what does it Eddie. Futch Max with Joe Frazier against the Alley and browse through. Let him out he. What did he say he said? I care too much about this man and his family to let him go out for that last round. That's not the trainer's job to sit up there and let you die on your shoot. He's supposed to protect you. So that's all I wanted to say about it Max flaws. First of all. I want to address the Bruin thing probably did the right thing and but I see deontay point. He can be mad. Lay a huge puncher. I'm willing to die is what he's really saying to be. Great and in this is not a prelims the heavyweight championship of the world right. So you the usually the trainer will give you a little more latitude. That said you're right. The fight could have also been stopped. I understand if Brian would've waited a little more. Also understand if he would have stopped it before he did. You're right it depends what your your tolerance is for a fighters risk in a championship in a heavyweight championship fight. That's not a popular opinion. I have and I'm usually the one screaming for a fight to be stopped if a guy's taking punishment but I think that context matters and that in boxing especially to be great. You have to take great risk with your health and I think fighters are allowed to say. I want to dare to be great. But you're right the trainers there to protect them. That's not a fireable offense. What Bruin did certainly not any probably did? Save him future kind of health issues when he when he stopped the fight when he did okay. It's a bad look Steven A. And you're right. It's hilariously bad to blame it on your costume. Even if you think that's true and the odds as the type dude who afterwards said look the better man one tonight no excuses but he said no excuses right after he gave this excuse that his legs and the reason I think he did it is the same reason that Mohammed Ali. Who took the loss against frazier very well but also said Hey. I thought I won more rounds in that fight. He didn't or Julio Cesar Chavez after he got lucky draw against Pernell whitaker really beat him about undefeated fighters who couldn't accept the fact that they'd been beaten that the other guy was better than them. Deontay is so proud. He's going into ego protection. He's looking for reasons. He lost his brain. Can't accept that dude's better than me and the way the fight went down Stephen. A there's no reason for third. Everyone knows Tyson fury's better. Does anyone think Deonte is going to win? Now we'll be on pins and needles. Because that's how hard deontay hits. You always have that punchers chance. But no one's going to be picking Deontay in a third fight and it was so thorough a beating that now his his ego. I think he needs to do you know Emanuel Steward whose whose nephew train just Tyson fury for this fight sugarhill Emanuel Steward used to tell me and he believed that the reason Tommy hearns lost Marvin Hagler was he got a leg massage before the fight. Emanuel told them not to so his legs were robbery. It is to be like commodity manual but he believed that because sometimes it's trainers to they have so much invested in being the guy in winning their competitive that they grasp for straws this is deontay grasping for it. It's one thing to grasp for straws. Max It's another thing to publish publicized that grasping for straws. I mean my God. Deontay wilder is. He's got a nuclear for right hand. He's always got a purchase chance. This assist I lost. There is no question love Deontay wilder but you cannot come out publicly and blame costume. You can't do that. That just embarrassing embarrassing. You just can't go my cost to back on Monday. Take two right now. What's in television? I want you to imagine somebody imagine. Tyson Fury Magister. Burn Imagine Ortiz. Imagine one of these dudes saying well. Deontay beat me because you know my costume walking along the wilder would laugh them out of the sport. You gotta I gotTa say this. That's a fresh costume. And I guess. The Pricey pays professions like. I didn't like actually didn't like the cops custom because I didn't like lighting up all of that gimmick tree stuff to wwe you begin with just the black socks we gotta go. The the excuse now makes me want to see the third fight. More though telling the truth is just you know publicized. Sometimes democracy is a birthright sometimes. It is a gift. It's a fight and I'm asking you to stand and fight with me Michael on bringing our country back together. This election is a referendum on the meaning of America. It is about what we will tell our children what we did at this time. This election is about whether we recognize that all groups who have been marginalized excluded scapegoated or far worse rise and fall together and that is our best hope standing together rejecting demagogues who tried to seduce us by dividing US and uniting behind the only shield that can protect us our common values as American citizens. 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Rookie season the number. One overall picked is averaging just under twenty three points and seven rebounds per game. Compare that with Lebron's rookie season. Initially that. So Far Zion is leading the king in scoring rebounding any much higher field goal percentage Kendrick Perkins back here with us to help. Break it down. Thank you for being here Stephen. A more impressive rookie season. Thus far are you going teams? I on our team Lebron. I'M GONNA team Lebron regardless of the numbers because it's not just about numbers. I'm looking at your game when I look at Zeile. He's a man amongst boys. You can't teach to eighty you just can't and we know that he's a. Goliath is a massive young man and his strength is phenomenal and you could see rip the ball again away the other night you see him elevate you see him finish at the basket. You see people moving out of his way. There's no question about it. Four three point is however. His first game of the season didn't hit another three pointer until the other night. When I watched Lebron play during his rookie year. Two Thousand and three remember. The game was different than remember. It was still more physical than it is today. Remember that we did. Just Look Lebron James in terms of his athleticism his abilities in open court what we also monitored was as ball handling skills his playmaking ability. We saw almost immediately. You start drawing up those comparisons to a potential magic Johnson but with more athleticism. And so when you look at it from that perspective cerebral as he was having an understanding of the game the intellect for the game that. Lebron James had you saw him coming straight out of high school. And that's what you marvel that you knew the athleticism was there. You knew his game ultimately improve but the game was more physical. Then obviously you look at the level of competition away to gain was policed and then on top of it. All the cerebral approach that he had to the game. You knew he was brilliant with Diane. I see a massive young man who is simply more powerful than than almost anybody. He's going up against and that's what you marvel and that's what I think. That was the same story when shack to the League but it wasn't held against shack. He was a man amongst boy. He's months he was a man amongst boys at college but he was also told everybody right. Okay we'll Zion's more diesel got better hops. Whatever it is. He's a physical phenomenon. A MORE IMPRESSED BY ZION. Let me be very clear what this means. I'm not saying it's better than Lebron but that's the point. I'm comparing them against expectations. The bronze you knew he was going to be great. He was going to be great and he was playing in the League made for him. He can play above the rim. Mazing court vision. He had handles. He could pass the ball. He would have to learn how to shoot but people believe he can do that coming into a league where you're like does his game fit in the modern MBA. He doesn't have to hike to really be a shop locker and he's not one he's not a shooter really does he have enough wiggling his game to get to the basket. Is he going to be a willing enough passer? These kinds of things look Lebron came in. I'll use P. E. R. guys because it just takes into account points rebounds assists efficiency. All that stuff. It's not perfect. But it's a good quick little thumbnail sketch. Lebron's pee ers rookie. Eighteen Zion's is twenty five. Let me give you an eighteen. You're getting close to an all star. Twenty five you're getting close to an MVP. Now Lebron lead the full season. Of course he had a more refined game in TERMS OF SKILLS BUT ZION. Not only doesn't need that right now but my God if he adds a shot and there's reason to believe he can. There's still tremendous upside. I have to say based against expectations based on productivity per game based on the kind of league. They're playing in how their game was predicted to translate. Siahaan's even more impressive as a rookie. Then Lebron Okay. This is this is my take. It's too early to even competitive tubes on only twelve games in to give their verdict going. Who who's having the most impressive season? But I will say this about Zion. Williamson. This guy is one of one is I haven't seen a player like him Ever in NBA history He is a guide that you know. He weighs two eighty but he plays like. He's to forty He moves well. He runs the floor trailer will. He's quick off his feet. And he's an underrated passer Playmaker in my opinion he got a very very very high Q. And the thing that I'm impressed. By that average entry in his system he loves to get up and down fast pace but when they play in of what. I get a half course said. They're running posters for I on and he's doing some like his footwork is phenomenal like he's getting buckets and I'm watching this kid and I'm like he's box office in the sky's the limit form and if he gets into the playoffs which they have a strong chance of doing then. I want to have this conversation down the line. Because he's going to be right up there with Lebron James and my pain Stephen why are you? So why do you take credit away from Zion for his physical attributes but like when Shaq was a rookie? It was the same thing they had to throw bodies Adam us too big for everyone. Why should it what he got credit for that? Why not give credit to I on for his first physicality no. I'm John I'm not. I don't feel like I'M NOT GIVING CREDIT TO ZION is just. The question was asked about him in comparison to Lebron at. I'm going by what you look for off from a particular individual on a basketball court and I think they were in the case of Shaquille O'Neal we didn't have any comparisons to Shaquille O'Neal we didn't sit up their computer. Shaquille O'Neal anybody. He was deals. This he's seventy one three hundred and twenty pounds. I'm talking about in terms of anybody that was playing in the game. We didn't look at it and say okay. Who's he having a better rookie season then or shack compared to this rookie? What was it about? Because Shaquille O'Neal was so dominant and so massive of a man that you brought up wilt chamberlain you brought up Kareem Abdul Jabbar. You brought up Bill Walter. You brought up players from a different generation so there would be no need to compare his rookie year to their rookie year. If you played as a rookie in the sixties planted a rookie in nineteen ninety two. So you wasn't going to do something like that or you could appear Shaquille O'Neal to where the elite centers to have ever played the game. What we're looking at with. Zion and Lebron Lebron coming in in two thousand and three with the Expectation Zion coming in in you know in two thousand twenty with the expectations. Okay well seventeen years apart. What's the difference? I'm saying in two thousand and three what we were looking for from Lebron to me. It was a great accomplishment to see what we saw from Lebron but what we saw from Zion this. Ah this how I think about. It was any were any of US expecting Zion to have Lebron to be good as Lebron. Even those of us who thought maybe he could be an MVP level player. I didn't think he'd be Lebron level. That's something different. Not So the Expectations for Zion is highest. They were were not quite where. Lebron's working I gotTa Tell You. Lebron expectations with with lew Alcindor expectation mascot obscene. When you said you didn't nobody expected Ziona be at Lebron level. Is that what you're saying he is now? I'm saying that. No no what I'm saying is so four and Perkins Right. It's only twelve games in but so far on a per game basis. He's better than Lebron was rookie. Well let me say this to you there when Magic Johnson came out in the NBA draft. Right the true story is that Lakers ownership. I think it was Jack. Kente Cook at the time. I'm sorry I got brave freeze right now but I think it was Jack. Kente Cook the point is is that there was a question as to whether or not he used to own the Lakers before Jerry Buss did but there was a question as to whether or not the Lakers should take Irvin Magic Johnson for Acidini Moncrieff. Outta coming out of Arkansas. I remember correctly now. Guess what Max. Obviously we saw the Lakers pit because they wanNA show talk but city moncrieff was an all world defensive player who could put in twenty or night. Magic wasn't putting the twentieth night immediately. The point that I'm trying to make it ain't just about the numbers it's about the game. Even though Cindy increase could play defense even though city shoot the ball and he can put the ball in the hole. And give you twenty a night magic toss. It was a different player because they thought to the equation. And that's how you Zion. Zion puts numbers up and he's dominant and nobody's quite any of that easing. The game is different than Lebron gain. And he's he's showtime too and he has room for up there's upside because he hasn't really shot a three now the data bus. That was Jerry Buss who drafted magic and by the way magic as a rookie was better than both. These guys jumped senator in game six and gave the sixers forty s and one the chip as let our guest get in here too. Well I I will say it is. Listen Bra Rookie. Bra Braun is my brother. We came in the same time he won rookie of the year. He averaged twenty five and five. He was phenomenal. And I'm not taking anything away from Bronx Zion to me has impressed me. He's lived up to the height in these twelve games that he's played in right. Now we're sitting up you're talking about Zion. But in my opinion if he would've started the season if he would have been healthy this whole season we'd been talking about Zion Williamson in the All Star game. There's no doubt my mind that this kid would have made the All Star game in his rookie youth like he's box office and he's dead. Good some opinion when you look at him the game look easy to him like he's GonNa Variety of ways you know like post moves alleyoop. Dogs RUN IN THE FLOOR. And you know what else impresses me about? Zion is you. Don't find superstars a well. He's a superstar. You don't find guys like Zion on that has a high motor he leaves the NBA and like going for loose balls. Lie recovering loose balls. He's at the top of the list. He's number one. He has. How mode on offense at Chris? You gotTA offense. Actually you're right it was. It was Dr bus absolutely sit by the way not only the second effort on offensive rebounds but sometimes the other dude just takes it out of his hand like taking candy from a baby. I mean he is a monster among men to see Lebron twice this week because they play tonight and again Sunday on. Espn go ahead is different. There's different the point is there's different ways to skin a cat moncrieff. I brought up the Moncrieff Magic Johnson element because they're both effective ball players at the time but magic Johnston a different element. Zion brings a different element. Lebron all I'm saying is that it's a pens on how you look at it. I look at Zion as a dominant figure. I look at Magic Johnson as all Lebron James's awarded a multitude of things that he's able to do. Well that's great but we do agree though Stephen as mid Lebron is one of one and Zion is one of one right. Sure but it's about France of Reference Am. I would be thanks so much for being here. Small sample size. Twelve Games Tommy Brady. We're headed Brady's future continues to be a hot topic during this. Nfl offseason whether the Future Hall of Famer Decides to return to New England or elsewhere has been on everyone's mind including NFL insider. Jeff Darlington appeared on Adam. Schefters podcast for the very interesting possibility. That's enough fell on the raiders. Right now at the front runner for convert. Tennessee has one of the bright spots. We when you look at what Tom Brady looking for. Engaging whether it is the team itself in what they possess personnel where is whether it is the ability to potentially collaborate with the head coach And have some say Gee Planning and personnel. I quite frankly think the Tennessee. Titans a lot of sense. Tom Brady Jeff with an interesting possibility there Emmanuel Acho in the building. Good to see you. You've been saying this for months. You thought this should be the move for Brady. Why do you think the titans are the best? Well I think that number one even though you've got lows of cap space you gotta use some stuff on carry. That's the person that you've got to prioritize. You know taking care of in the future Ryan Tannehill completed. Seventy percent of his passes had twenty two touchdowns six interceptions last season but again they don't know if that is a place he may elect to stay off. They'll be able to work out a long term deal. Brady is short term. Brady has a relationship with his former teammate. Mike Gabel who's the head coach of the Tennessee? Titans AJ Brown is a stud receiver. Brady hasn't had that in a while. Corey Davis is not bad as well. And so when you look at it from that perspective along with Derrick Henry and you're going going to be running the football remember Derrick. Henry ran the football three hundred three times last year. Rush fifteen hundred and forty yards averaged over five yards a carry. You gotta give respect with do in that regard but that's stuff that's GonNa take the pressure off of them. Meanwhile the defense can get some things done and that could take a lot of pressure off of this. Well if I'm Brady what I do. Is I use that as pressure points to make sure that the New England patriots are going to get some players around him as opposed to throwing everything on his shoulders and then throwing him to the wolves with a bunch of no names. Still have to learn how to play the game of football in the case of the Oakland Raiders. I think that's a viable option. If you're brady and you want the pressure taken off because obviously Josh Jacobs Jon. Gruden loves running the football more than throwing it and I think a lot of people still have questions and trepidation about Derek Carr. Even though I still believe that he could get some things done in the end though. I do think that if you really look at it and if there's any truth because I don't know whether there is a not but if there's any truth to all of the speculation or the noise about Brady's relationship with Bella check being suspect that I think at this stage and point in the career of Tom Brady. It would behoove him to go to a place where he no. He will be valued and protected and cared for the way that his former teammate and friend. Mike is Credited Tennessee Titans would do for him credit. Where it's due. Stephen was calling this because of rebel months ago. Saying it's the best place for Brady Stephen a now other people are feeling the same way maybe Brady to. I don't think it's the best place for Brady first of all when you talk about. He shouldn't go someplace because they're running the ball. He better go someplace where they run. The ball has four. Tom Brady not say that he. He shook into the Oakland. Because Jon Gruden likes to run more than path. Pardon me yes. Pardon Me Okay. That makes that makes sense to me. Let's look at the. Let's look at the Tennessee. Titans first of all forget about brand names in the NFL. It's very dangerous. Even quarterbacks you trust the reason someone like Adrian Peterson who could still play a little. Nothing like he wants was still gets. Headlines is because it's Adrian Peterson but in terms of the actual production there. Lots of running backs better. After a certain point so forget about brand names seven years ago five years ago. If you said Tom Brady or Ryan Tannehill. It's a punchline. Of course Tom Brady last year. Ryan Tannehill is better than Tom Brady. Well it's because he had this. He had that he was better than Tom Brady last year. And he's younger in sending inbreeding older improbably descending. So you know even farther than he's already descended so I I think you're trading down if you if you don't sign tannehill and instead Steinbrenner that's one to you talk about the running game. Of course the whole offense was derrick. Henry heavy run. He's not a pass catching running back. Either he's running running back well if you haven't signed him yet and you haven't signed you're right tackle well. Maybe the running game won't be the same next year so you want to bring in fear. Your I believe at this point in his career quarterback to to to kind of manage an offense predicated on the run where you may not have the running back or the Guy. Blocking for him. I don't think Tennessee. The free points go but otherwise. I don't think Tennessee such great location. I think if he switches teams the chargers make the most sense it's La they're loaded with talent. Let's see if it's Belichick Brady Max. I got a completely disagree with you on that one. the titans make the most sense for two words and one name it is. Derrick. Henry you have to assume that the management for the titans is going to have some common sense and they're going to keep Derrick Henry and the reason he was able to move so well and run so well intact but look at the bigger picture. Derrick Henry accounted for thirty percent or one third of the titans offense that means. Tom Brady only asked to come in and account for the other. Two thirds of the offense. You're taking the load and the pressure off of Tom Brady shoulders. Then let's look at things even further when you look at the titans. Tannahill Scher was better in that ten game sample size but I can't compare ten games of Tannahill to twenty years of Tom Brady. I'm just not ready to jump off the Brady Brand waggin going forward because of what we saw from. Tannehill in those ten games. Although those games were excellent however the game that was an excellent that game that mattered. Most that playoff game they lost against the chiefs again the pivotal and operative word there being playoffs. When you need your quarterback to step up in the bright lights and the biggest of moments you could argue. That Tanna Hill was the reason. At least he was part of the reason that the titans elevate in raise their game to beat the chiefs so if I look at it. You obviously have the piece of Mike Gravel and Tom Brady. Mike variable being the head coach like Stevens said they won three superbowls together in New England. We know that there has to be some sort of friendship camaraderie or at least acquaintance there. Then you look at the next layer Tom Brady. He may be declining but declining for Tom. Brady is still ascending for most quarterbacks. Then you look at the fact of Tom Brady. We don't need you to carry a whole rack. You can take some plates off the squad wreck. We just need you to carry a little bit of that load. Tom Brady got started with the help in Tennessee. I that's the perfect match up. Derrick Henry got stopped against the chiefs. It wasn't Tannehill. Didn't have a great game. But Derek key to the chiefs. Where does it stop the run? You can stop the run. Because you're not worried about the quarterback. Remember going into that game wasn't nobody scared about. Tannehill in the play offs. So it's a lot easier to stop the run now. It's time for linebacker if the box because you're not worried about ten. A hill gas apply. So why wouldn't that apply to the teams before they meant the chiefs? The chiefs just suddenly figured that out. I think when you have guys like Matthew in the back end I do think the prepared. Here's what happened in the playoffs. Said you know what Tannahill you're going to have to beat us. I don't think anybody is going to look at Tom. Brady at any point in his career. And say you know what we're GONNA dare. Tom Brady probably the best most winningest quarterback of all time. We're GONNA dare him to beat us. That's just not think. What a recipe for success. When you're talking you're now might be your best bet now. I'm not sure about that. Well if you're the chiefs right think about it you know the Houston. Texans would astonish Shawn Watson. Goes up twenty four on you and the next thing you know in a blink of an eye they score forty one straight points Shawn Watson. Couldn't do anything to stop the bleeding. And if you manage to do that against Shawn Watson you're damn showing concerned about Ryan Tannehill who ended up in that. Afc Championship Game. Going for throwing for two hundred and nine yards. It was a relatively pedestrian performance. Art Show is absolutely right. They set up their loaded the box against Derrick Henry and Tennessee. Titans had no answer. Then that's not to say that would change with Tom. Brady but you clearly have more faith in Tom. Brady being able to pull ups pull something out of his hat. It'd be has requisite talent to work with. Then you have Ryan Tannehill because even when Ryan ten had talent in the past. He was very sporadic. He do something good for about two or three weeks. And then after that he fade into oblivion that did not happen season which is a credit to him but once he's in does not a great quarterback make and that's the reason why via the Tennessee. Titans you gotta probably going forward now and it's Ryan Tannehill gotta go forward with. He certainly helped him get there though they were two. And four before ten nine and four after the fact and then obviously we saw what happened in the past. Two hundred nine yards in a playoff loss. Grady Boston loves you. The fifth-place sixers will be without one of their young stars. As Ben Simmons is expected to be out indefinitely with a back injury that according to our Adrian Mode generosities. Simmons leads the team in assist at just over eight per game. Meanwhile his teammate Joel. Embiid more than made up for his absence last night pouring in a career. High Forty nine points in a win over the hawks. It's the most point scored by sixers player since Alan Iverson in two thousand five after the game being didn't shy away from his previous best player in the world comments player in the world right. Yeah I believe I go when I actually said that war. I say that you know then what you know. Some of the best in the war then who myself. That's what I said but I do believe it tonight. We also want to say sorry. For what the end of the game on TV. I'm so thank you Max a lot to unpack here. Tell me what's going on with the sixers. Well as you see. 'em Bead is blowing hot and cold especially at home where the sixers are one of the best teams ever on the road. There a lottery team. Why does that happen? I sit all along because embiid has to kind of self load manage. Because they're doing this ad hoc there doesn't seem to be a plan and he has back issues. Knee came in the league with his back issues so I am now and now by the way Ben Simmons has gone. And that's a mess and I've said this before but Stephen. I want people to listen closely Adam. Silver is the Best Commissioner in Major American Team Sports. He's excellent. He's made a ton of great decisions. No one's perfect and he messed up with the sixers. I don't think that silver intervened and they got rid of San Hanky and then installed ultimately Jerry Colangelo Bryan Colangelo. Who was a disaster unmitigated disaster? I don't think they did that because the process wasn't working Stephen. I think Adam silver did it because the process was working. That was the worry of the League. You can't have a league when half your teams are tanking for four and five years in a row because the way you set up the lottery system with the cap it works. That was the fear. Oh my God this is working you leave the smart guy. In there and see the plan to fruition it may even take another couple of years and then you have a juggernaut and then the rest of the league will copycat but you take a basketball life for like Colangelo in and he puts his son who was a disaster disaster in and they get competitive right away because Sam hinkie stockpiled the Ammo so then you could always make trades to get competitive quickly when you do that. At least now you have a playoff team but ultimately not the juggernaut. They may have otherwise been. Let's not forget Bryan. Colangelo and this is reported in the ringer in June of eighteen of Ben Detrick Bryan Colangelo was found to. They claimed his wife ran five. Different burner accounts on twitter disclosed dissing embiid disclosing sensitive information etcetera etcetera. It was eighty mess. And when they finally member Silver Force Colangelo down their throat really though Jerry Colangelo and then he put Brian in so by the way it was also critical of Sam. Hinkie of Messiah Jiri all the smart guys right much smarter than Colangelo. He those guys he was making a mess of the sixers a mess of the sixers and when they finally got rid of Colangelo. The owner of the sixers. Whose name escapes me at the Moment Stephen. I'm sure you can come up with it but gosh terra made a terrible error in insisting that the Elton Brand get the job he he couldn't hire his own staff. You have to keep the remainder of the leftovers from the COLANGELO staff which was a disaster and so now the sixers are rudderless. Even though they have all the talent in the world and EMBIID and Simmons they don't know how to put it together so they don't vote manage and beat he balls out at home he kind of pulls back on the road a little bit. He doesn't want to get hurt. Simmons is in the game they told. Abc who had the game Stephen a that he's going to the locker room for treatments in the middle of the game. If Ben Simmons is in that shape why is he in the game in the first place like this is a rudderless ship that should be instead poised to make a championship run or maybe even dynasty the way it was going and at this one's on Adam silver? He made a mess of this. I'm not going to go that route and I'm not gonNA fall victim to urine sexual appetites. Want meeting engage in a discussion with you about the process which I upholstered which I felt. It was absolutely despicable. You're not getting me to go there. I'm not in the mood. I've got a long flight home. I've been dealing with all of this stuff all week long. I'm not GonNa let you irritate me with that. Damn Sam Hinkie argument again because you want to protect the world of analytics please. I'm not going there what I will say to you is this however didn't what's the big deal about Joel? Embiid forty nine points. They were against the Atlanta Hawks. What do you want me to say this? Seventeen and forty two. They have trae Young Guy d Andre hundred that I think has a potential They got a couple of guys. And what have you got a long ways to go? Atlanta's not a good team. They've taken a step back she don't know why most folks don't because we don't pay attention too much stuff going on in the basketball world in Atlanta Georgia. We love Atlanta for different reasons basketball. One of them okay. So Joel embiid showing up against them in Philly on his home. Court means absolutely positively. Nothing to me out side of the fact that it was nice he played and he looked healthy and he was having fun because that's really when he's at his best when he's talking trash and he's having fun then. It usually compelled him to step up his level of play particularly on his home court. Any shows out. But I didn't see that Joel embiid. When he went up against the Greek Freak Milwaukee the other night I see that Joel embiid a few times over the last month the so and so for me again. There's reason to be concerned about a Ben. Simmons had has been handled. There's a reason to be concerned. I think they need another perimeter. Shoot I don't think they should have ever lost. Jj and in the air what it comes down to is that regardless of the talent that they have the question is does it. Mesh to really succeed in east and I didn't even bring up Al Horford and how inconsistent he's been sevens. Is it back in the sixers? Go anywhere no Max No. Yeah that'd be home and I know I mean. Think about think about this though. Embiid who came in with health issues into the League still really has to do his own management. Did they have no plan for the guys who of course when he by the way? It's not like he doesn't accept the Greek Freak Challenge Stephen a he plays the freak really well basically even up in the frequency regular season the best player in the game and Embiid is right there with them basically step for step stat for Stat Win for win. I mean that's saying a lot. Simmons and the process landed embiid and the process lended since. I don't WanNa hear all Colangelo. Chose sentence sentence was the presumptive number-one pick no matter. Who was going to do the picking the fact that they stunk was the work of of the process. Kinky and the process. That's why they have embiid and Simmons. They've done awful job putting a team around them. The Okay you can claim. Butler was going to go south beach anyway. But they not only traded draft picks and talent for Tobias Harris but then paid him like. He's actually we should have done that advocated. They did a good job doing that. My argument with you is that when you think about Sam Hinkie he did draft Jalil Okeafor. Joel embiid fell to him at number three. Because of his injury Michael Carter Williams was the number one pick and obviously the ultimate shipped. All was not perfect with Sam Hinkie. And all I'm saying is that you can't take a job. You can't take a job advertised to a city that you go stink up the joint. You're going to lose for to come but this is what we're building and then I can point to several things that you did while you were wielding. That was not zeal. Listen if you would listen to what the process really means. You might not object to it so much or maybe you won't. Maybe I wouldn't object to it. So much of a black man was allowed to sit up the job but by the way that's right black people invite should also have access to all the tools that the white. Gm's have no doubt but here's why it's called. This is why it's called the process. The very reason you hate it is the reason that Hanky could Misano Kuffour and miss on Michael Carter Williams and still make a juggernaut. That's the point in the process. Stinking not just free year but for several years in a row. 'cause you're gonNA miss on some but if you continually those high picture. GonNa hit on some and they hit on M. B. and they hit on Simmons so here they are Stephen a ton of cap space but because they're rudderless and because Elton brands working with another guy staff and because they're all dog did not mix with the right. You want the rest of the hour to make your point. I'll give it to you. I'll shut the hell up and give it to you. As long as you're willing to concede that as long as the same rules are applicable to black men with five you can lose purposely calm and you still don't have to worry about job security telling the black man next day four. I Look I look forward to the day that we see in african-american. Gm allowed distinct for four or five years in order to build a Juggernaut with Stephen. A what we call that at my house failing up we see it all the time about failing. Heiki purpose and succeeding up. There is failing and that's not going to be the GM Ben Simmons questions indefinitely issues to deal with still maury included him. Those are some emotional sediments from yesterday's memorial which celebrated the life of Kobe. Bryant his daughter Jonah and the other seven victims of the helicopter crash nearly a month ago filled with last filled with cry Stephen. A your final thoughts from the Kobe. Memorial Well you know. I think that No Vanessa. Brian was sensational She was he stole the show the level of strength with high eloquence way. She got up there and spoke in front of nearly twenty thousand people. She was absolutely phenomenal and She just personified. You know goes validated. All the love the devotion and the praised that Koby aimed in her direction. Throughout the years He always raved about how much he loved her he raved about what a wonderful wife and mother That she was that she is. And you know it will always be of course and You know he talked about how she was his better half and was his best friend and we saw yesterday and I think that that went a long way. Also got to give major major praise to Michael Jordan to Shaquille O'Neal as well Both of them going up speaking Gino Auriemma and Diana to Rashi and the wonderful lady from I what. How do you pronounce the Name Ionescu? Yes but you know. She's to bring us. She was wonderful as well. This she goes out there and perform last night and sets. Ncw Record as well you know just a lot of great great stories but in the end what it really comes down to is that the NBA community The basketball world came together to say goodbye to Kobe. Bryant he'll never be forgotten. He'll always be remembered in the most fondest of ways he was a champion He put in the work. He was dedicated. He was focused and in the end he touched so many lives because he was committed to being a better version of himself He was committed to helping others on an obviously had an affection for a lot of young ladies out there in terms of helping them elevate themselves and their profile to showcase for his daughters. And beyond that you can be whatever you want to be in this world so it was truly a great day. Sad but happy Obviously closure for a lot of people but they will never be closure for Vanessa and the children left behind by Coby and G G and so all you can do is just tell them you love them and that you'll do your part whatever that may be in order to be there for them and the best way that you possibly can. Kobe was always the little brother champing at the bit to be the lead guy on his team with shack and in the larger sense in the in the Pantheon of NBA legends. With Jordan. And on the Lakers got his own team eventually improved his point and he never stopped going at Jordan and you could see where both shack and Mj feel like. They lost a little brother and then he finally had his own family where he was the father. An obviously an extraordinary one. According to all accounts especially finesses. Who will be my lasting. Impression of this memorial Vanessa specially the line at the end her description of the bedtime routine with the kids. If you're a father with kids especially little girls you'll that was difficult to hear and and then the line molly pointed it off at pointed out to start. The show is still the best team yet for that just saying that God knew they couldn't be on this earth without each other to bring them home to other for inept was she was. It was a powerful moving moment and it really resonated thing to say that you know. I'm going to hold it down here I got you. I got the three girls. And you take care of G G and you know we're still the best team. Listen you guys are the best of the business and she got up in front of twenty thousand people. This isn't our job. She doesn't public speak the most dire circumstances and she was eloquent. She was graceful. I mean it was absolutely incredible and same thing you said Stephen Eight. And now we see why. He adored her so much We're looking for the beauty in it but it's it's tough. It really is a thirteen year old. He's gone along with three other teammates. That were around age. So that's incredibly sad as well and and remember to nobody at the at the memorial service forgot about them either. All of those folks were mentioned and everybody will bind foreign cognizant enough to make sure they reminded everybody that Kobe Bryant and his wonderful beautiful daughter. Those were not the only lives that were lost in that helicopter crash and I just WANNA say really quickly because this is a sports show and and you brought up a Gino Auriemma and we saw Diana Tarazi. We saw Sabrina an ESCO. And that just showed you those relationships that he had in terms of we talked about coaching G G but they really were working on elevating the women's Game Women's sports inequality and I don't think a lot of us recognize that until this tragedy happened. And it's molly. I'm glad sit on. Their work was cut short. And I know Vanessa will try to carry that on Yup. I'm glad you said that you know I found out about this when we came on the air and talked about it after it happened bringing my eldest daughter. My eleven year old to basketball practice for drop off stay there. I watched the whole that. Watch the game. I watched the practice of shouting shouting encouragement tour and all that stuff stuff. She's working on and there was absolutely a connection that I felt as the father of a daughter who's playing basketball that that coby and his daughter and his interest in his daughters kind of athletic development wh- loomed large that day over the whole gym over the whole program. I'm glad you brought that up. It's tough really tough. We are going to try to move on here and and make a transition back to score so bear with me. Everyone and let's talk a little football. So the cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott still without a new deal and last week cowboys legend. Emmett Smith made news by suggesting he should take less money. So the team can sign other players. Besides dot could make the rest and endorsements and other cowboy great He used to work here. Darren Woodson expressed his disagreement to the Fort Worth Star telegram. Let's take a listen to that. She slept and thanks for some people. Say that he should take less. That's a slap manse fix 'cause they're not here and I'm watching every day. My office overseas that feel that practice everyday they know lying on a team that works. Arvin bag PRESKA. He's putting working deserves. Max We all know Darin very well. Thank highly of him. He's close to the situation. Do you agree with him on the sentiments regarding Dot Prescott. I don't I know what he means but I don't agree because you have to think about this rationally the way we approach because it's a cap league is always like well. Never mind whatever anyone else is going to get paid that a workout itself. You GotTa go get yours. That's true that is true from DAX. Point of view is trying to get his. He's not responsible for well. Let me give them a discount. So I can have a better team around those choice estimate. If you want the money get it. Get what everything you can. Nothing wrong with that. But it's not a slap in the face to him if the team wants to take less or if a fan does they are not saying. Hey Dad we don't want you to have all the money in the world they do. I'm sure state they have the decency. It's that every dollar debt gets paid a dollar someone else's and is it a slap in the face to the linebacker who's not going to get the money because you gave it to Jack. Is that a slap in the linebackers. Things it's not about slaps in the face it's not about respect or disrespect. It's about the reality that the owners have structured that the players are only allowed to get so much. It's gotta be divvied up among them all so either. You believe quarterbacks overpaid or you. Don't I believe they're overpaid? I think the market overvalues quarterbacks there are a couple namely TAT MAHOMES. Who's worth just about anything? And the rest of them should get in where they fit in not necessarily get the most just because they're the next guy up. Well let me say this. Please forgive me for backtracking Max Molly but like when we were talking about Vanessa Bryant Kobe and all of that again as I did at the top of the show. I want to remind everybody that there is a father and a mother that lost a son. In Joe and Pam. Brian two sisters left behind with Kobe. Bryant passing he was the youngest yet to desist. They lost their brothers. So I think it's important to remember that because not enough people have mentioned them. They suffered a tremendous laws as well. Now getting back to the point that Max made just now and you talk about getting in line. Well Max you know what that applies to everybody and one could argue Ezekiel Elliott with some of his knuckle headed tendencies. He didn't have to get in line. He Got Ninety. Million to fifty million dollars guaranteed. They're all the people that got paid by Jerry. Jones in Dallas cowboys. They didn't have to get in line. Jerry Jones and those guys got online and they took care of those guys. You have a quarterback making two point one million dollars in an age where guys within his own vision is guaranteed to one hundred and nine million dollars. That's just egregious and when you look at it from that perspective his the bottom line as I completely agree with Damn Woodson. What he's saying he's absolutely right. And by the way my man Dan. Listen I miss you? Big Bro Michelin Man. Let me say this to you. Dak Prescott may not deserve forty million a year. He may not even deserve the thirty five million a year. Russell Wilson is getting over thirty four million a year. Big Ben Rothlisberger is making. But you've got to get him up in that ballpark with the cost and winces of the world. Sixty five percent of his passes nearly five thousand yards passing thirty touchdowns. Eleven interceptions two playoff berths in the four years. That he's been there you know not a losing record. Give demand is do because if this were Tony Romo Jerry Jones. Stephen Jones would have taken care of him already. They need to take your Dak Prescott. Yeah they can. I think you switched lanes a couple of times. They're like Ezekiel Elliott. You can get them for fifty guaranteed. You Ain't getting Dak Prescott for no fifty and Ezekiel's a better running back than deck is a quarter but it's miserable deck deck. Should go try and get his money if that's what he wants. I just don't view it as a slap in the face that they don't WanNa make him the highest paid guy guaranteed money. It's all about guaranteed money and the NFL's Zion in Lebron facing off tonight for the very first time. We will have full reaction to all of that tomorrow. Safe Travels Gentlemen and thanks for hanging with us so you guys in the morning take care.

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Hour 2: Chris Canty joins

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Hour 2: Chris Canty joins

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What's going on big time. How are you matt. I'm doing good Steven A. Appreciate you having me on. I haven't spoken to you did the interview with Michael K on center stage right now. I JUST WANNA say. Thank you for the endorsement that you gave e. You continue to break down barriers for us in the industry and what I love about you. You always always make sure to reach back and help somebody else out so I want to say. Thank you for everything that you offer me for my career thus far. I appreciate it but it's well deserved by man. I think you wanted the best in the business and I'm happy to have you right here right now. Let's get right into it because we got a whole to. NFL Topics to get into New England Patriots we have learned we'll we'll have Antonio Brown eligible for week two of the NFL season against Miami this weekend because the NFL announced that are at least Adam schefter broke the news that the commissioners list will not exempt list will not have Antonio Brown on it at this particular moment in time as we all know he's been accused of rape by the name Brittany Taylor his former trainer and the NFL is scheduled to meet with her an interview her next week and it appears that at least until till then the NFL will not act against Antonio Brown your thoughts upon hearing bad news and your thoughts overall about Antonio Brown finding himself in a myriad of situations. This want obviously far more serious than the others he found himself in Wallin Oakland. Raider your thoughts about this whole ordeal quarter the thing I'll say even even a I I haven't liked all the noise. That's been around twenty. Oh Brown throughout the off season but the allegations from its Taylor. This is a different level. This is this there's something of a different nature and so you know appropriately the nfl the New England Patriots are taking these allegations seriously and we have to let that process play out while while the NFL does its investigation but what I will say is this in terms of Antonio Brown being available for the Patriots. I think that was the right move for the NFL to make because again again. We're talking about somebody being accused of something. I mean Antonio Brown has not been charged with the crime. He has not been arrested so I mean I mean. I think that it's important to understand that you're talking about A. He said she said situation you're. I don't think it's appropriate to take away. Somebody's opportunity to be on the job. I don't think it's appropriate to take away. Antonio's browns play football when we're talking about something that has yet to be proved now. Nonetheless it's still disturbing to have something like this. Come out about a player but since the NFL has not been able to speak to Miss Taylor I think they haven't nfl schedule the next week I think the appropriate thanks for the NFL to do was allow in Tokyo round play on Sunday down in Miami is interesting. I feel exactly the same way that you do by at my other opinion about it however is that they should do a damn thing until they interview. Har- bought if they interview her. I think one of the few things they have to take into consideration yeah. How plausible is her story. How believable she is and how far she's willing to take it and the reason why I say that's very very relevant from a business business perspective although it might turn people off if you the National Football League you have to think about it from a business perspective in this regard on one hand you gotta be prepared to deal with the players association who's not not going to be fighting on behalf of Antonio Brown. They're going to be hiding on behalf of a process because they don't want a precedent being set where he hasn't been charged. It's not a criminal offense and you find yourself in a position to exact a level of punishment against him. They would deem unfair considering the absence of a process but then there's the other thing they have to consider. Is that if she is believable and they believe she's GonNa take this to the hill that this could possibly transformed into a criminal case then they they have to consider the shield and the way the shield may have been maybe sully with him being paraded all over the news involved in such a circumstance and under that sequence. I think it might be possible that they might put him on. The Commissioner's exempt list is that how you see this unfolding no that's how I see it unfolding and I think that the League office his has to lean on NFL security to uncover the facts of all these situations keep in mind. Antonio Brown does not deny having intimate relationship with Brittany Taylor earlier but I think the disagreement comes with whether or not it's consensual so I think that you have to interview Miss Taylor. You have to see what she has to say her account of the facts of the matter but I mean in terms of the NFL position you know Roger Goodell is doing is going to do what's best in terms of protecting the shield and also keep in mind when the NFL investigated waited another high profile case when it came to violence toward winning that being a couple of years ago and situation that he had coming out of Ohio state the investigator for the NFL interview the accuser and didn't find the accuser credible. That's still didn't stop Roger Goodell from imposing indisciplined on C. You still sat down for six games so I think this is. GonNa come down to the interview that takes place next week and what that'll determine whether or not Antonio brownfields themselves on the commissioners except list Chris canty right here with Steven. ESPN radio ESPN more noxious things let's go to the world of football itself on the Field Mick Fitzpatrick sought permission and and captured it seeking a trade from the Miami Dolphins when you look at at that situation and how it's unfolded in Miami. It seems pretty bizarre. They lose forty fifty nine ten rather to Lamar Jackson the Baltimore Ravens last week. Lamar Jackson look at like the second coming Joe Montana Tanna fresh over divisional playoff performance where you only completed three passes for twenty five yards in the first three quarters in two minutes against the charges last how we saw him before last week and yet he it looks like the second coming to Joe Montana they obliterate the Miami Dolphins and you got guys on the dolphins talking about the the staff was basically trying to stink on purpose. Meaning coaches weren't game planning appropriately. What did you make of all of that well. Here's the thing I don't think the Miami Dolphins players are in any position to to make an argument about what the organization is trying to do in the fact of the matter is if guys on that team would have played better their head coach. Adam Gates would not have been fired at the end the twenty eighteen that being said I do they can be frustrating in that locker room to recognize the priority for the organization is not necessarily trying to be as competitive as possible in twenty nineteen clearly early. They're building for the future if they weren't they wouldn't have agreed to trade Laremy Tunsil to the Houston Texans or two first round draft picks and a second round traffic also packaging packaging Kenny stills in that deal so I look at it from this standpoint. I I think that those dolphins players recognized going to be hard for them to be competitive from a talent standpoint think out but that's still that's still shouldn't stop you from going out there and doing your job because from an individual standpoint your resume as a player is the film and as they say in the eye in the sky don't lie so there's still should be some motivation for those players to go out there and give their best effort and try to be as competitive about possible. Chris canty. Let's transition to New York City. This is your home turf. You Got Your Radio Show Ninety eight point seven. FM every weekday morning from ten am to noon. Let me ask skew this when you saw when you when you sit up there and you think about this we're looking at New York jets and we have a situation right now with Sam Darnold goes down and we wishing well. He was diagnosed with Mono nucleoside. Obviously that's not something to joke about He's GonNa be out for several weeks. Trevor Simian is your backup quarterback. I'm thinking about it from the standpoint that the jets in a world of trouble when you look at their schedule. They've got the Patriots twice. They've got the eagles. They've got the cowboys. I mean when you look at their schedule. I mean it's entirely plausible that after seven weeks they could end up one of six or seven before all is said and done how we look at the jets to season well. I'll say this Stephen with on not being available for the next several weeks. It's getting late early for the New York. Jets I know a lot of people had them as one of the dark horse wildcard teams out of the AFC but I don't envision. Heh anybody had a formula for them to be able to get one of those wildcards without winning winning one of the two home games that they had to start to see I mean they. They lost a heartbreak. You're in their regular season debut against the buffalo bills a game where they had a sixteen point lead in the second half only to see that squandered away especially after they lost each day mostly on the defense side of the ball with a groin injury. You could tell that it was not the same and on the offensive side of the ball the offensive line had not taking a snap together all preseason and that keeps struggled in week one so I don't revision it being any easier on Monday night going up against the Cleveland browns. The browns are team have a lot of talent talk about some of the all the moves that they made including acquiring wiring. Odell Beckham Junior so this is one of those teams that everybody had high expectations for but in looking at how they lost their regular season opener against the Tennyson Titans that team is going to have an angry disposition about themselves because they're out to try to people also this is GonNa be a real tough game for the jets on Monday night and quite frankly Stephen. I I'm having a hard time seeing pass victory for gangrene. You know as interesting as the things I'm looking at his Odell Beckham junior coming out of voicing his concern about Great Williams Defense has the defensive coordinator for the New York jets obviously formerly bountygate with New Orleans what got him suspended for an entire season. We've got a situation where he was the interim head coach and the defensive coordinator native prior to that with the Cleveland browns not quiet in Orleans but after new all these apprised of this year he was the defensive coordinator before Jackson got five last year and then he was the interim coach but during a preseason game wins defensive coordinator that's one of the Times where Odell Beckham junior season ravage because he got hurt with a low hit or whatever and now he speaks and he speaks speaks out about being concerned about Greg Williams one would argue Greg Williams a former psychology major in college. This is right up his alley. He's inside of Odell Beckham Judas head and it could potentially work. Ob j what are your thoughts about that Donald Swab more by opie J to be preemptive about it in terms of bring some more awareness to the fact that you could have some guys on the jets team potentially try to take some shots at him because let's face it. Stephen when you look at the jets secondary their banged up remain aunts and then number one corner he's dealing with some hamstring injury and their second and third corners are suspect to say the least so I mean that's secondary can vary is going to have a hard time slowing down the skill position players for the browns in the passing game and then you couple that with the fact that the jets don't have any premier edge rushers assures guys that can consistently beat wants to get to the quarterback. I think it's GonNa be hard for that. Just defense to slow down at ground passing attack just based on talent alone so so you're thinking that the Greg Williams led New York jets defense is going to have to do something outside of the ordinary in order to try to keep this game close and so I think this is B.j just trying to be proactive trying to draw attention from the officials to the fact that there might be some guys that try to take some shots on him and the rest of the skill position players before the browns office Chris canty. NFL extraordinaire radio host as well right he was Stephen Gaspar radio ESPN news by the way Humpty uncanny awarded outstanding radio show by the New York state broadcasters associated just a few months ago congratulations on that. Let me get to your neck of the woods. This GonNa make you uncomfortable by the way the show is from ten to one. I said ten to noon a few minutes ago. I Apologize College is said ten to one of several times but I just got new because I was thinking about my lunch. Break or scanty got from the audience. I was thinking about what I was thinking about my lunch hour my bad my bad listen. Let me get to the New York giants for a second here because they just looked pathetic. I mean you got saquon walkway of course but they literally look like they've got nothing else but Daniel Jones and I think that it was a good sign. If you're Dan you Jones fan or if you are somebody that's pushing for the exit of ally Manning that we saw Danny Jones and the last two minutes of last week's game against the Dallas cowboys some people. I believe it's a bad sign and indicative of things to come. Where do you stand with all of that as it pertains to the New York giants. And how bad do you expect them to be the season season or here's the thing even if we haven't seen a lot from Daniel Jones I mean there's only so much that you can put in reports that are made in the preseason and there's only so much stock you can put in performances in preseason games but that being said there's nothing that we've seen from a physical standpoint or from a mental toughness stamp or like that would suggest that Daniel Jones can't play in the National Football League. There's nothing that would say that. He wouldn't be capable successor to ally manny all all of the criticism that came from the giant strap and then with the sixth overall pick. I mean the kids handled it in stride and he's been class and so I look at it from the standpoint but that's the giants are are somehow away. You know going to be in trouble if they if and when they have to hand the ball off from Eli Manage J. or does does this season. I think Daniel Jones is the reason why the Times would be interesting this season when you grabbed a quarterback in the top ten. Let's face it. You're a team that's building and so to me. The giants should do everything they can to support the decision that they made earlier in April which is to draft a successor for you lie manning. This season isn't about the New York Times trying to be competitive and get into the post season. This season is about making sure that you do everything you can as an organization to support the development development of Daniel Jones and in my opinion that includes getting him some experience in regular season games because the best way to improve as they football player to play football in meaningful games so to me I. I just think that it's not if but when we see the torch passed from Eli Manning this into Daniel Jones Chris canty. Let's let's let's let's stay in the NFC. WHO's the best team in the division. The Cowboys Eagles your what Stephen I gotta go with the cowboys. Oh boy the last ten games they're not in one and they swept the eagles last year so although I think the eagles have better roster top to bottom I do believe that styles make fights and Dallas cowboys style their overall philosophy and how they want to win games. It's just a tough match for the eagles it really is and so when you see the emergence of Dak Prescott as a passer. I think that's part of it that that actually takes you from just being a playoff team to a super bowl contender. That's the difference I mean. This is the best player on that team. He's the ads in for that offense but if you had that Prescott continuing to build on the performance that he he had week one against the New York giants. I mean the rest of the League needs to look out and that includes the Philadelphia Eagles because we know even really they really really good team. The one place that can get got is their cornerbacks in their secondary of Matic's arrive Darby Jones those guys they still got a lot to prove and they showed that had in the first half of their opener against the Washington redskins so for me right now the way the Dallas cowboys look if that can continue to build on what he's done. I mean you. You Better Watch do you. Do you believe that the Dallas cowboys are making a mistake by having not paid that Prescott yet considering the fact that you took Zeki Elliott Lael Collins Tailing Smith well. I'll say they stephen with each passing week. The price is going up because I mean that Prescott already wanted to give away more than Carson Carson Wentz who got paid thirty two million plus on an extension per year by how we Roseman in the Eagles early this all season and then a couple of weeks ago we saw that the rams extended jared Goff and gave him the highest guaranteed money total out of any quarterback in the NFL history so with that being said those quarterbacks that are a part of extrap- last you gotta think that that Prescott is going to want more money then those guys because guess what the next guy to get paid usually the one that gets the more the money so I just I look at this situation with each passing week the price tag for Dak Prescott continues to go up the cowboys need to go ahead and get that deal dark you have the tabloids as the best team in NFC east. Who Do you have the best team in the NFC well. It's hard to make an argument against the New Orleans Saints especially coming after that Monday night performance that they have executed executed the two minute drill to perfection but I'm still going to do it to me the team. Ooh That has the potential to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. It's the Green Bay packers. I know there are didn't look great on Thursday night in the opener opener of the NFL got a new coach. I mean leaving him. They got a new coach with the florals Aaron Rodgers first time operate it off if you get a defense in different colored Jersey but guess what did show up on that Thursday night well heck packers Defense Beccaria Bay packers defense showed and what it was but they were playing against metric chip. Stay Man. They don't have any real weapons. It's a cargo any I mean. It doesn't a guy that the biggest thing about Mitchell trubisky is they passed up on Patrick Mahomes and to Shawn Watson a ghetto Chris Stephen even as I hear what you're saying but you're still talking about a top ten scoring off Anthony. NFL A year ago and a team that won their division and the whole playoff game so I mean listen you have to respect the Chicago bears do but here's what I will say if that defense from Green Bay station building slowly but surely the several all season both through free agency and the draft if those guys can compete what if those guys can give that offense for the packers time to catch up and understand what Matt leflore wants to do from a philosophy standpoint then you better look out for these Green Bay packers unless they got a great test this weekend with the Minnesota Vikings defense is legit yeah. It'd be great to see how they look after having an opportunity to have a regular season game with that first unit in place but listen eras is a bad man. I know you say that I may May. I have competence that offense. We'll figure it out but the fact that that tranche look as good as it did. I think you have to feel good about the Green Bay packers this year all right. I need quick answers to these questions. Before we get on Outta here 'cause only got a couple of minutes left. What's up with Cam Newton that I never thought he was an accurate pass even though I think that he's an elite play Klay a win healthy. What's his issues? He didn't look good last night. No he didn't look good last night in the offensive line didn't do them any favors especially Daryl Williams of Taylor mouton. Here's the thank thanks given a we talked about his throwing motion and how he's changed once more of an over the top delivery what a little bit of our concern payment when he gets into an actual game will he revert back to the Cam Newton that we've seen in the past. He's so far this season the answer yes now. It's a real shame that the Carolina Panthers didn't have a better sequence in the low red zone at the end of that game last night against the bucks but I mean I. It's a situation where their defense played well enough to keep them in the game but but at at some point Ron Rivera norv turner play call has got to realize we gotta six five two hundred fifty pound quarterback if it's fourth and less than a yard we should maybe think about trying to use the quarterback actually got no. They don't WanNa get hurt but if you're going to have him run on the design run in the third quarter the the run where he ended up fumbling and I think it's safe to say that you should you probably consider using him as runner when the game is on the line in that situation but yeah the Carolina Panthers are in big trouble to get out to ano wants to start. We know the keeps start the season to have an eleven percent chance of making the Playoffs Carolina Panthers got big problems and I don't see how they stay fixed because Cam Newton didn't look like and that offensive line looked awful all right. I just need a winner in each of these games. I'm asking you to pick Seattle Pittsburgh. I like that I I don't believe I feel the difference. I like Seattle on the road. That's still as fast transports off or they couldn't get any pressure on Tom. Brady and the secondary couldn't match up in man coverage. I think the Seattle does hit. Some big plays in the passing game against your Pittsburgh steelers New Orleans at L. A. I wanted to on the row. I think they're going to try to exact cabannes. NFC Championship lost as a little bit of a motivating factor but I just believe that New Orleans is the better team Philadelphia Atalante. I like Philadelphia. I mean Stephen at some point your yards you saw the last three games that these two teams play the eagles have beaten them and not just on the scoreboard but I think physically beaten up the Atlanta Falcons. I don't think the Atlanta Falcons are who they think they are. They WANNA be tough rugged parts under Dan Quinn but they're not that when they see that Philadelphia Eagles I like the Eagles on the Road Chris canty co host Humpty and canty every weekday from ten. Am To one PM Ninety eight point seven FM ESPN Radio New York City plus doing an outstanding job foxsports first things first one my brother Chris Carter won only Chris canty right. He arising star in this business. I appreciate you my brother. Thank you so much. See down a rope appreciate if even one another Chris canty right here with Steven A. Espn Radio Espn News edited say ESPN. That is the number to call. It's over two nine three seven six. You listen live. It's even a ESPN radio ESPN news back with your calls and more intimated by the way go to the Home Depot to add personality and style style your room with a wide selection of on trend tall all in one place the Home Depot makes replacing your carpet easy with more styles and colors to choose from and right now free installation on any any purchase of four hundred and ninety nine dollars or more all by licensed local pros back for life. 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This player resume is brought to you by indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring post a job today at indeed dot com slash hire us is to add line search for greatness search indeed then asked me to go back to the phones Susani or Sanni Lava Stephen. How will you just want to talk about the end up. Lay ruling by kids getting paid. Go ahead bomb argue. My brother and my brother used to play college football. My wife worked at a major university in Austin longhorns and well. That's a great idea for these kids who get paid. I mean I don't know about you but when I was eighteen twenty twenty one years old our to know how to handle a lot of money you know and I know these kids come from different households different income but but there you say like into Aa it comes up with the rule and says all right. We're GONNA pay players and they're gonNA get an allowance to get to three thousand a month. You really trust these universities paying that limit because I know the University of Texas at Austin when I got more money than tech allies being required here what they're saying is that the individual player if they're a popular and they have the ability to cachet to market themselves. That's something that they can pull off. It's allowed okay. Put the same I I was. GonNa say like in but don't you think like I mean. Is it going to motivate the kids to go to school. Are they going to hold out. Are they going to start being disgruntled. Are they going to stick. They're not getting paid enough. I don't know we don't have noticed nothing's perfect. Nothing's Utopia but the real issue here is whether or not they're going to have the right to profit offer offer something that they can profit from in a capitalistic society the way everybody else around them as allowed to do so coaches being paid by shoe companies companies rather whatever the case may be the NCW another's. If all of that stuff that's going on. Don't they have a right to look at things from a marketable stamp point if they can pull it off yeah I just I mean it's a great idea. I understand I mean any adult meanwhile eighteen. I'm allowed to go work and get paid. I mean I don't WanNa work for free of course and I. I just think it's just it's not going to be equal for all the players I mean. Some of the lower kids are gonNA. Look at the higher kids getting all this money. I mean what's going to school. You could say motivation invasion but if you've got a scholarship but somebody's getting a little bit more that's a capitalistic society. That's the American way that's my view on it but I appreciate the call man. Thank you so much. Cooper Ilab even talk ultimate doing all right. You got a lot of noises. Your role is your window down inside my vehicle. 'cause I'm working but I actually want to commend you for You know being a mouthpiece Colin Kaepernick and trying to get him back into the NFL where he belongs. We're going to do things that you enjoy doing his whole life. Almost my football and I don't feel that he should have been blackballed on something that he felt that he was doing doing that was wrong and I commend you for for for say well. It's not it's not a problem why that really wasn't my agenda this particular subject bringing it up today. I think the important point is that his lady a nasty APP approached me yesterday and I like to reiterate her and her friends approached me in a very very classy manner to express their points of view and what they thought me and many others were missing in terms of putting erroneous information out there and so they wanted to make sure that there was clarification in that regard that he hadn't been offered a job or any of those four teams Miami Seattle Baltimore Denver or they didn't believe he was ever going to get offered those jobs. They obviously do believing even we all believe he's being blackballed and she says that he still wants to play football that he's training every day that he's ready right now. If he were to get a call right now he'd he'd be in shape and ready to go and so she wanted to make sure that that message was disseminated to the masses as as as a courtesy to her she deserves. Is that a she has stood by his side from day one. She has supported him from day. One obviously that's his lady so she's privy to things that most of us are not privy to and and classy manner in which he approached me to talk about it. I felt the least I could do was recognized that publicized that with her permission of course and give credit where credit is due and make sure that the information that she wanted out there you know was brought out there now. Do I have an issue what how Colin Cabinet may have gone about executing things sense kneeling certainly and I've expressed that but nevertheless there is no doubt that he should be still playing. There is no doubt that he should be in the NFL. There is no doubt doubt that he is being blackballed. Nobody can deny that and so when you take all of those things into consideration it was the least I could do. I would love to take credit the credit that you're giving me my man. The reality of the situation is I don't deserve it. She does she does because she has stood by her man giving him unwavering support and no matter what critique we can give for her in terms of methodology in the past in regards to tweets or anything like that she clearly loves him very very deeply she stands by him and if we're really being truthful most most men if not all of us would love to have our woman by Assad in in a fashion that she stood she has stood and continues to stand by him so I applaud her for that and also made sure to extend an invitation to them not they would take it. They're certainly under no obligation to do so but I wanted to make sure that she knew that Har and Colin and if you want to bring every agreed with him I could have to live hours on. I take to discuss issues on uninhibited. I would welcome that opportunity. I extended that invitation reputation to them and whatever they do with it they do with it. That's their business. We just great great all right. Thank you very much for the call man. I appreciate get it. Let's go to Chris you. Live Stephen was Chris Mr Smith. Yes Sir much respect to your first and foremost and how you doing today. I'm Doin' ourself. Go ahead man all right man I just wanted to piggyback on the Antonio Brown situation now. I understand what you said about how they said they said. Let them play even though you know without the investigation of what have you but I also believe now how many eighty six when you think about it how many situations were players were involved in raping a sexual assault. How many do we actually win when you think about that they have a lot to look forward to within this situation as far as there's a lot going to come down on this is going to go. I I mean we don't know yet. We're going to find out well. I believe that I believe that because in my opinion I mean I mean you got the top. You got one of the top wide receivers. THAT'S NOT FEE UTAH receive run league and I believe that he has like He. He puts herself in these situations to where he feels like he's on top of the world and so what are you saying what exactly yeah. I don't understand exactly what you're saying. Are you saying that Antonio Brown is at fault of that. He's not at fault. What exactly are you saying. No I believe I believe that you gotTa look at you look circumstances of him being a top player and him you know acting as a as such what she's talking about what she's talking about. You have to look at that. I look at it because most players like the players that have been in situations like this. What do they win. They lose. I got you I got you. We don't know appreciate the call. Though I got your point appreciate calling you lava Stephen Go ahead man Stephen a naked Di di up however you pronounce your last name the person that posted on social media in equivalents between Stephen Shoddy Lewis at the characters in Django the vile characters and Django when Ray Lewis with a tempting to help calling capper Nick Cata job right there because it's not right there Colton. You said on many occasions so have I. She didn't didn't deny that she was saying that. He hasn't been offered a job. That's all she say what job Stephen. No no no no no. She was addressing me because I was making the claim that he had an opportunity to have for jobs. She interpreted that as me saying he was offered for jobs and she wanted to stay for the record that he hadn't been offered the job. That's all she was doing well yeah. He offered a job in Miami because they weren't. Castro wasn't offered the job in the Ravens because she posted on Arthaud. She'll meet her account equating the owner of the team with a violent character we've ever seen in in in a movie. I'm only stopping you because you said that numerous times so so have. I didn't even know she does not fair call to. She's not not doing it that that's not what she's doing. She's not denying our role at all. I took the job by the rape. It's Ryan Lewis came on your competitive program the day after a couple of days after that and said I'm out. I'm not helping this guy any more. That's that's what Ray Lewis said so that's the reality of it no matter how she wants to change it around and resurrect thing. That's why calling cabinet is not working now under the subject. Could I really called about today on your competitive program. There and I watch you. Both I love you. Both I loved you used to be with schedule they when they when they hold a position vic and they hold positions really strongly they admit when they're wrong at some point afterwards. Mac alleman has never once admitted on your the program anything because he never. He never believes he's wrong. Even I would contend debating against him. He's always roll elite. Elite quarterback gets up there and he's definitely injured even though he hasn't been on the injury apart warning time so five this year Carolina Panthers Injury Report Max Kellerman said that open later stolen Antonio Brown but the third and the fact that the Pittsburgh skill with stupid forgetting for Antonio Brown they win when he waves out blow up their entire preseason me than Max Kellerman instead all it was all part of a grand plan wind up with a patriot. Max just makes except stuff when he's wrong to try to somehow convince the American public he's fading Nick foles with straight garbage and would the playoff game when he then goes to win the super bowl with the eagles and the Royal Mac pretend like you're all wrong that that that was phenomenal little quarterback in the NFL. Tom Brady cliff in threes east in a year later uh-huh. I hate to say this 'cause I never want to attack. He is telling York yourself. Even people I watching I only want. I appreciate it but I got news for you. There's no evidence of that because we are number one and as far as I'm concerned as as long as I'm on it. We don't stay that way. 'cause I in about losing. That's just me that's just my confidence level if it happens otherwise it happens otherwise but I'm always be there causing you know I I love you and appreciate you for watching me and my man you know that. Can you hear me Caulton hostage. No love and appreciate you for watching watching me because I'm going to stay in humility in that box that you're with. I got enough humility for the both of us. How about data I appreciate it though 'cause I gotta get on Outta here man. Thank you so much and then they'd say ESPN eight seven to nine three seven seven six back to close out the show in a minute. We're leaving. 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Hour 1: Cliff Floyd joins

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38:24 min | 11 months ago

Hour 1: Cliff Floyd joins

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Smith Show podcast player wears of ESPN radio and ESPN two hundred and fifty plus markets across the United States of America be a new number to call triple eight say espn that's eight seven to nine three learn more keys to progress dot com time for straight talk brought to you by straight talk on television show on ESPN every weekday morning from ten am to noon eastern time seven to nine am in this show don't you worry about it because he had a lot to say and a lot say about draymond green have lots it's the first order of business to get into as the world series I as I can remember that won a world series winning all four road games sweets game three four and five nationals comeback win game six or seven fourteen strikeouts three walks opponents batting average who was absolutely sensational three thirty three batting average eleven seventy eight zero P. MY MVP he would have been my mvp let me tell you who would have been my goat it's very similar to me let me tell you something first take you that long to figure out that the game is going to be tight that it will likely but here's the biggest Koper is our biggest reason why I've got hitch as a coporate it says that was absolutely spectacular six complete inex- six L. at night stepped up handed his business away did it game three way and he gave up the home run their end dome what you do that I understand he's not a relief pitcher so he's usually starting and all of this other nonsense see this overthinking and go in with that we all know that Houston Astros or renounced rely on analytics from a numerical on analytical perspective of bit excessively one he's the one that's been bowling it's ver- landed has been struggling that great the dude is all year long since he's put on an astros runs period you gotta one relate with eight hours to go and Shannon when we're talking about what Garrett Cole is talking about himself as an astro and I was nice breed game seven there is no tomorrow you rocky three we're Clubber Lang Aka Mr T. AH MR T. was sitting up there talking about them saying you scare Beerman or no what do you mean I wanNA fight this guy and Mickey said you'll do it without me and he walked away ahead Yousef real man at night why don't you come on over to my apartment and all this other committee sectors you can't win and got knocked out to the got knocked out tomorrow lost confidence trade Iraqi running on the beach traded it's a little last night there is no tomorrow look at this man again this game seven I'm your Stud you tried Berlin there is no tomorrow then you've got this opportunity so wait so he can start an ending if that ain't over thinking and this guy gets smacked around ultimately guarantee that that wouldn't have happened against Jericho but dammit you take your chances this is your race came from my teammates from the pitching coaches and pitching staff data does that sound like a man that's coming back to the rockets I mean to the Astros he gave his teammates applauded his contemporaries there is no tomorrow there oh by the way hinch warmed up in the fix he walked up US I watch this guy he won't one hundred seven games his record is four eighty one three twenty nine he's won two Katy B GonNa anything stupid like that he's done a hell of a job but I gotTa Tell You with a championship on the line there is no tomorrow doc can't make it up national deserve a lot of credit wants Soda Ah listened laser German and it's almost as bad as how the Yankees loss for all the sabotage try to get cute with eighty seven miles per hour sliders against Jose out never liked the fact that George Brett with the Kansas City royals many many I do goose gossage brought to heat this how will go out you're gonNA have to hit try to get cute and they got the nerve to go on except seven seven six Aj Hinch Guy Gary Cole- Lear No one the Gary Cole- was the I'll be you lucky decent do don't advocate for people to make it uncomfortable for you sleep there's they are satisfied with what we got and then by the way we didn't lose because the pitching I Brennan this is why Ms George Steinbrenner because Damn it dat you on my day I'm ruining yours no way that these pleasant days for the golden you come into this season your defense looks horrid you got nine guys twenty then you salvage a victory against the New Orleans Pelicans coach in New Orleans former assistant in various places and and at least at least one child who got the accident and I remember you know to know he is how wonderful he and his family were and you know him the suffers and then he got the head coaching job and Phoenix even though he was interview for the Los Angeles Lakers job before this laser gentlemen they were up by twenty nine on a Golden State Warriors Line in the first quarter it was so embarrassing have careers driving into the lane Aaron Bain former Boston side trying to help and draw offensive fouls and that's just a recipe for disaster because Arab beans body fell on the hand we don't know how long he's going to be out of whatever playoff squad we're not gonNA see anything there's no Brooklyn Nets you somewhat screwed over because when you worked out the sign and trade when Kevin Durant Golden State had to include a first round pick Asian was top twenty pick protection meaning if the war is to make the playoffs hi so says they're going to miss the playoffs they get to keep their pick as like trash defensively and Steph curry was asked about it approach he'll have more time to watch it now what I will say this I've seen in NBA history class Massana fide he's good people it's just that the Golden State Warriors have looked in the first four games of the season period. I'll give a damn what anybody says in any harm or ill will towards him or anything like that but I gotTa tell you I'm really glad when you're that great limoux finesse player and the fact that K. D. in clay were find skills who do are determined let's see we don't put a hat on we're GONNA put her body on them we make with you why give beat up as a three time the finals and then come back next year when you and klay both healthy and do what about the rest of Y'all at an eight say espn edit eight seven to nine three seven seven six to your parents don't I take you had a lot to say about a few things and we'll make sure we hit F- Y'all right in place choose to Home Depot as your free no hassle carpet installation partner we're free visit homedepot dot com slash flooring for details that's the home depot more saving you wake up you look in the mirror and you start to realize you're going thin up top to out of every three guys use to think as soon as you start losing your hair that's it it's genetics it's father time and there's nothing written by a doctor and delivered to your door thanks to science baldness can be optional could affor- HYMNS ESPN that's F. O. R. H. I. M. 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Hour 2: Will Cain filling in

The Stephen A. Smith Show

38:51 min | 1 year ago

Hour 2: Will Cain filling in

"This is the Steven A. Smith Show podcast. I'm Steven Jared Goff. Los Angeles Rams. quarterback jared goff is he just kirk cousins by another name is Stephen Stephen a Smith show on E._S._p._N.. Radio and the E._S._p._N.. APP Siriusxm Channel Eighty and on E._S._P._N.. News will cain filling in for Stephen A.. You can only catch me three to six eastern all those same television and radio dials and you can answer that question eight eight eight seven into nine three seven seven six kirk cousins jared goff jared Goff Kirk cousins. Yesterday we talked about my quarterback rankings. I put out a few days ago here on the Stephen a Smith show and then what followed was some rankings that came out from pro football focus and from Mike Sando who used to work here at E._S._p._N.. And then moved the Athletic Mike does a survey of lead executives in places quarterbacks into tears he for example had quarterbacks Dak Prescott Kirk cousins in the third tier but something fascinating came up when talking about kirk cousins the Minnesota Vikings quarterback Sando on the Russillo show podcast had this to say about Goff in cousins. He's sort of like Andy Dalton member that year in two thousand fifteen when the bengals had everything right around and everyone was healthy until the playoffs I mean he had like a pro bowl year. Specifically is just what I feel like a you. Have everything around looking pretty good like if kirk cousins were the ram or back. I'm not sure they'd be like way worth. Oh so it's in the matter of twenty seconds one hell of a shot kirk cousins and then weirdly some shot at Jared Goff my Santo who's working absolutely respect says cousins Dalton surrounded with some talent. He can have a pro bowl year but you put them in L._A.. Lay and I think things will go. Just do what Jared Goff so I guess I can do the logic by extension. Golf is Dalton. Goff is a quarterback. They can have a pro bowl year provided he has weapons around him. That's the logic follows from what I just heard from. Mike Sando and as much as I respect Mike's work I have to disagree. I have overtime had some pretty harsh criticism or been holed out on the jared goff off by by sign on the Jared Goff stock his rookie season was so bad I wondered aloud if he was a bust and even as he was progressing and getting much better we talked openly about whether or not he was a system quarterback in a product of Sean mcvay but I believe Jared Goff deserves a lot more credit than being compared to kirk cousins and Andy Dalton first of all we have to respect winning. Some level of winning jared Goff just went to a super bowl. where's Kirk cousins winning? You know we talk about goats in rankings in there are some that say come on don't overvalue championships championship we do and we talked about basketball players Jordan versus Lebron six versus three we talk about quarterbacks brady versus Montana or Brady versus Peyton but I actually think while we hear Oh you know it's a team sport. You can't give too much credit or put too much blame on one individual in a team sport environment and how much they win or lose actually think we start to take that to a place that's absurd we start breaking down these guys into like narrower and narrower narrower verticals narrow categories what is arm strength like how many fancy football points as he put up which is footwork like Kenny get the ball into a tight window. We keep doing that and doing that doing and don't get me wrong a lot. That is really smart. Analysis the kind of stuff you get from Tim Hasselbeck or Dan Orlovsky and it's really good but you can't lose the forest for the trees. It's all in service of one thing in the end winning. Winning winning is what it's all about. Winning is why Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time. Winning is why Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time. Winning is why jared goff is not kirk cousins in winning has been my argument for why Dak Prescott is consistently underrated an opinion by the way that is apparently early shared by our new Monday night football analysts Boettger McFarland Today on I take the way the N._F._l.. Works like this you get paid based on your time in line and the availability of the money with your franchise okay Dak oppress got his next in line okay. He's at the end of his fourth year on a four year contract and I think the fact that we're having this debate shows you that not only maybe not the cowboys of disrespected him but I think the rest of the national football league because that's the question only does is win. He shows up is he. The most accurate passer no but I think he's just as accurate as Carson Wentz can he run like Michael Vick no but he's showing he can move the chains with his feet. Okay from a completion percentage you see the most accurate quarterback no but his numbers right there I one one hundred percent agree with pilgrim fought McFarland. It's the point of the exercise thirteen and three in his rookie year nine and seven in the down year ten and six in the rebound year two division titles in three years playoffs in two of three years almost always fell short of winning a comeback against Aaron Rodgers in the fourth quarter. Dak Prescott is the most under rated disrespected quarterback in the N._F._l.. And he wins and he will win more and Jared Goff has one more thing kirk cousins and Andy Dalton give jared. Gov that respect I had veered off the other day ranked around twelve or thirteen. I don't have my rankings right in front of me but I had him around twelve or thirteen in the same range as Carson Wentz and just below Dak Prescott who I had tenth overall in the League but at the same time time kirk cousins has had everything around him. That's needed to win now in my estimation. This is the year kirk cousins has to win this argument. He needs to win. Is it right here for Kirk cousins. He's got to fund digs Adam feeling Dalvin Cook. He's got a defense on the other side of the ball. I picked the Vikings yesterday as my surprise team the team that people are sleeping on the team is going to jump up and perform in the playoffs team dining is going to win the N._F._C. North but this really is the judgment year for Kirk cousins. He's probably GonNa get an extension by the Minnesota Vikings remember shined short deal with them because the alternative is way too scary. It is for almost every N._F._l.. Team the unknown. Who Do you bring in but this really is the year the kirk cousins loses the excuses if he can't win like Jared Goff if he can't win like Dak Prescott with what he has now now in Minnesota will Mike Sando was right about kirk cousins? He might not be right about Jared Goff but I'll play this one more time. He's right about kirk cousins when he compares. He's sort of like Andy Dalton. Remember that year in two thousand fifteen when the bengals had everything right around and everyone was healthy until the play-offs though they had like a pro bowl year specifically is just what I feel like that's who cousins is. He doesn't perform this year. He's Andy Dalton. The Stephen a Smith show is brought to you by pennzoil synthetics taking synthetic motor oil performance to a whole new level. Make the switch to pennzoil synthetics. Today will cain filling in for Stephen. I asked a little bit earlier and laid out my case for why hi Brady and Belichick are the greatest coach Star player duo of all time now. You've called in to tell me where I'm wrong who I missed and who should be considered in these duos across all sports across Paul Decades Basketball Baseball football the greatest coach in star player of all time Eddie in L._A.. What's up at your on the Stephen? A Smith show with will cain oil was avenue man. I'm GonNa go from Los Angeles ongoing Pat Riley Imagine Abby Johnson. Those guys put together a nice little stretch a nice little run. We'll showtime a nice little resume. I gotTa tell you any. It doesn't compare thanks for the call. It doesn't compare to Duncan and Popovich nineteen years five titles. It doesn't compare to Kobe and fill five titles eleven years together. It doesn't compare to Phil Jackson and Michael Jordan six titles in eight years together and it doesn't compare to Bill Russell and read are back ten years together nine titles mark and Kentucky. What's up market on the Stephen? A Smith show is will cain pay. We'll have going man what's up. I'm an old Guy <hes> so I've got a soft spot for the older combos like Montana and Walsh and <hes> Bradshaw Chuck no okay I I do I do and I hear you with your points. I I really do but just one that today's real quick number <unk> one rumor <hes> the New England patriots have not one more than three super bowls over an eight year period okay whereas you know chuck no and <hes> Wall you know they they want therefore super bowls within that within the tenure number two if they if Brett if I'm sorry if <hes> Tom Brady and bill shake loose. Let's say hypothetically they get the super bowl this year and lose. Would you pill considered them the greatest of all time I would now let me tell you why okay mark. Here's the deal first of all it's six titles against four in both cases for Walsh and for no it's six titles for the Patriots Against Four for the niners in four four the steelers but more than that is it harder today. I've asked this question of several people. It's harder to do this in football to establish a dynasty to stay at the top than it is in basketball basketball can be more dictated by the wonderful talents of one player Michael Jordan Shaquille O'Neal Kobe Bryant Lebron. James Football is harder to withstand the roster turnover the change churn of teams out there in the league and it's harder for a player to stay healthy on top of his game the way that Brady radio has redefined this entire league but more importantly. It's also harder to win in today's N._F._l.. Than it is when the niners and the steelers did it and look man. I'm honest with everybody. I tried to be honest. You can discount what I have to say. You can make adjustments and you can tell where I'm wrong. You know anybody knows me. I'm a homer for the cowboys right so I want to talk about the seventies cowboys. I WanNa talk with those nineties cowboys but I do know this seventies. Cowboys was seventy steelers. Those eighties forty niners in those nineties cowboys did it before full blown free agency in the N._F._l.. And that makes what Brady and Belichick New England patriots have done harder than what those guys did you still there mark yeah I I can't I can't argue. I can't okay but <hes> all right well. I appreciate your points mark. Thanks for calling Stephen. Smith show was will came. I got one more reason for why I believe the Bill Belichick and Tom Brady the goats of all time and it comes from the fact that the Patriots reported to Camp Today and Bill Belichick had some things to say I he was asked about being in New England for this long. I enjoyed here appreciate the opportunity to hear on your coach on our team can do a job. I WanNa try to give them the best that I can put our ourselves but our team put our individual players and coaching staff in the best position. We can compete hope I can do that this year and you sound like to me. I mean that that's that's not the voice of joy I don't know what is that is virtually bubbling over with excitement. I mean Jeez Bill Rain back a little bit starting to wonder if you had a pop before you got on there but that's actually. So Craig man no up no down just consistent and this other quote is actually the one that I think illustrates how you get to be the goat this other quote is the one that illustrates exactly what it takes to win consistently assistant over time. I don't care what sport and I don't care if it's even in sports I don't care what you do for a living or what I do for a living listen to this one because this from Bill Belichick is really how you go about winning their veteran have a good day today. I don't think I practice tomorrow enough to start. How did the practice more that was the answer to a question about whether or not there's pressure to repeat as Super Bowl champions and he says the Veterans Day today? I don't think I practice tomorrow. Start out of the preps man. It's so trite it's so simple. It sounds so cliche sounds like coachspeak. It's not it's the secret. I'm trying to think about having a good day to day. I'll never forget I think it was in about two thousand ten two thousand eleven so it was right after Alabama beat Texas in the National Championship game the game in which Colt McCoy went out with an injury and Alabama won its first title the launched this Nick Sabin Dynasty with the tide and he was asked at the end of this championship during the celebration. I think Confetti was raining down and save and goes over to the table. You know where they usually have. The Post game conversation set up on the edge of the field. He's talking to whoever was hosting. I wasn't e._S._P._N.. Yet I was somewhere doing something else and so. I don't know who was hosting it either but I remember this conversation. I remember it to this day. The question was was this always the goal like when you went about what you WanNa do it Alabama and when you put everything into place and exactly what you were going to do this moment right here was this the goal and the response simple but true and the secret to it all is not unlike what Bill Belichick said Nick Sabin said to the interviewer don't think about goals. We don't do that a due process. I think about data day I think about blocking and tackling I think about the small stuff I think about was that executed right in practice. It's all about the process if I focus on the process and we master enough of those little all things they add up to the big thing but I don't keep my eyes on the big thing I don't keep my eyes on the goal. Keep my eyes on the process the little things and I'm paraphrasing but it was something to that extent and what was wild about that is I don't know how you grew up. Playing sports again will cain filling in for Stephen on E._S._p._N.. Radio I don't know how you grew up in despite the I know I have a punishable face and people suspected never played sports I did I did including division one water polo. I hear you chuckle chuckle chuckle speedo pepperdine and it's funny how in sports or anything we actually do focus on goals a lot like when you're little and coaches like what are your goals. Are you trying to get to what are we working towards. Establishing goes right down your goals put him above your beds. Always remind you why you're working working and this was the opposite of that. It was the opposite of focusing focusing on goals process man that is it that from Sabin and this from Bella Check Beltran of David is is how you get to be the goat. That's why he embraced are the greatest duo of all time because he's done that longer more consistently than everybody else nineteen years six super bowls and there you go. Hey tune in tonight is Aaron Judge and the Yankees visit the twins coverage begins at seven thirty PM eastern on E._S._p._N.. Radio and E._S._P._N.. APP But your turn tell me where I'm wrong Mike in San Antonio you're on the Stephen Smith show with will cain the well. How's it going man a huge fan first of all <hes>? You're pretty cool guy anyway. I just WANNA say <hes> yeah I think Dunkin and hop actually a better tandem than <hes> Bella check and Brady's because I think <hes> talking about how to go through more you know had to all time greats and Steve Bash every western conference finals <hes> Kobe Bryant Bello Beasley Blonde something the greatest basketball player of all time twice in the final. You know twenty years consistent. What's more than that of the greatest players of all time in that way? RADIAN budget didn't really have that much. You know what might look. I know when I'm on first taking people that see me one of the things I do. Is I come back hard and I will if I think you're wrong. Take flat out think you're wrong. That's the second really good rebuttal to my argument today. It doesn't win me over because I believe the degree of difficulty is so much higher in football but there's two arguments that have made dense in my argument today. I believe this one. The guys that have called in Said said Whoa Whoa whoa Jordan and Jackson were six for six. They didn't never lose reading Belgique did in the game the big game and I like what you're saying I do think that pop and Dunkin have had to go through more bigger challenges bigger adversaries then the Patriots are now the Patriots and deal with the colts they had to deal with Peyton manning they had to do with the Broncos then as well. They had to always overcome that in the A._F._C. and it was a different challenger was the giants science and look the giants came up big in the big game but I do think you have a good point. I do think that's a good rebuttal Josh in Ohio. What's up you on the Stephen a Smith show with will cain? What's up well? I just wanted to say I mean I kind of feel like like nowadays. It might be a little bit easier to build that championship team than it used to be back when you're dominating reason being is you look back about. Do your boys were playing back then and that was the bill the back then you're Kinda stuck with whoever you got to an extensive. Your team gets older so be it. You can't just replace them like you can now now you can get your team comparing to how all your teams getting like Brady. He gets older game changes a little bit. you start putting peanut around. I don't why that's when Josh I'm not buying that one because I know that consistency especially in football wins championships you gotta keep all those B.. Level players man you gotta keep those offense of lime in the started getting big money in the nineties with the cowboys. You gotTa keep those linebackers that were raided every successful N._F._l.. Team back then after. After they want especially if they won more than one the giants the cowboys who are they got rated. They got raided once. Free Agency came in now. I don't think that was that was something that helped those teams out that existed pre free agency. I don't think bringing in some churn younger on the roster for Brady has made it easier for him naked Missouri. What's up Nick you on the Stephen Smith show with will cain? Hey how you doing a appreciate you taking my call. I <hes> want to argue with you about the <hes> I honestly think that the Jordan and Jackson Combos a little bit better than the Brady and Belle check because they're six zero in the finals I mean you can't really beat six rings and and not losing the finals at all I said today I've said today Nick. That's a good argument it is I think the two arguments that I think have been the best rebuttals to my Brady Bill. Check are the undefeated nature of Jackson in Jordan or the Patriots have lost and that the competition was tougher for say like pop and Duncan that it has been for Belichick and Brady one more Richie in Montana. What's up Ritchie? You're on the Stephen Smith show and will cain. Hey well thanks for taking my call man Yemen Yogi Augie Barra and Casey stangl seven that what they I'm. I'm GonNa Be Honest Ritchie you just <hes> he i. I know I know that I brought up Auto Graham Paul Brown and I know that I brought up barstool Vince Lombardi but you just took me outside of my on my historical in sports bandwidth so you're GonNa give me Yogi Berra Yogi Berra and Casey Stengel seven for seven <hes> Yep and Yogi Berra's have greatest catcher of all time in your book. I don't know about the greatest catcher probably one of the best hitters I mean he would hit everything balls in you know low high that math it was a good bed boil header and he's got if you look obviously you guys look it up. He's Got Fourteen Rings coaching and ten as a player. Yeah I hear you. Thanks for the call Richard. I really appreciate it. I don't think you have to satisfy. Are you the best quarterback. Are you the best player you the best catcher and then are you you alternatively the best coach. You have to be individually the best but you got to be pretty Dang close. I don't know that Yogi bear gets close enough in his own individual category to elevate the to somebody asked me earlier what about college football who would A. B.. Nick Sabin and I think we'd have to find somebody paired with name. We could get on this. I don't have in from WHO's won the most titles in college football duo over time. It's got to be in the number like two or three. It can't be much more than that two or three thousand. We'll look that up and I wanna tell you about something that I talked about a few weeks ago on the wheel cain show because it's come back up and that is this which N._B._A.. Teams have the best young cores a few weeks ago. I gave you my top five squads in the N._B._A.. That had the best players core under the age of twenty five will now. There's a publication it's written about it and they have a little bit of disagreement with me about who's got the best young cores and N._B._A.'s will cain filling in for Stephen A on E._S._p._N.. Radio and the E._S._p._N.. APP Hey when you're hiring. You don't WanNa waste time sorting through dozens of irrelevant resumes you WanNa fish away to get a short list of qualified candidates. That's why you need indeed dot Com post a job in minutes set up screener questions based on your job requirements and in zero win on qualified cans using intuitive online dashboard discover what three million businesses use indeed for hiring post job today at indeed dot com slash higher search for greatness search for indeed who has the best young core in the N._B._A.. 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He switched to Geigo and saved a bunch of money on car insurance so that was good and so is go with his grandson. You're listening to the Stephen. A Smith Show podcast will cain filling in for Stephen A.. You can only catch me three to six eastern on E._S._p._N.. Radio E._S._P._N.. APP and on on E._S._P._N.. News but you got me hanging out with you for another day or two here before I head off on vacation and Steven A. comes back. I'm going to get into that aloha spirit <hes> going to the beach. I'm going to get away. I'm a drink so many white claws. I can't even see straight. I'm just kidding not about the quantity about the white claw a couple of weeks ago on the wheel Cain show. I laid out for you my top five young cores and N._B._A.. What I meant by that player twenty five years or younger it was on the heels of the N._B._A.? Draft it was right after we saw the Atlanta Hawks put together what looks it's like not just a talented an impressive young squad on paper but one that makes sense right fits together ball handler and trae young big John Collins and then a bunch of wings around him that can shoot it makes sense. It should work having heard her the Andre Dri Hunter Cam Reddish the hawks look nice but are they a top five young core in the N._B._A.. They weren't on my list and now today the ringer has. has followed suit and put out their best young cores and N._B._A.. I thought it'd be interesting to compare it to ours and see where we have our disagreement first of all here's the way I saw a few weeks ago laid out on the wheel came show went to the whiteboard and I laid out these five teams number five <hes> put the Sacramento Kings the Aaron Fox Marvin Bagley now remember now buddy healed is older than twenty five so it's really down to those two players and their two nice players in Baghlan flocks in particular Fox and what we think he's going to take that team and they did push kings on the verge of the Western Conference playoffs this year number four the New Orleans Pelicans and if you WanNa Yell Hypocrite at me. This is where you can cause. I'm GonNa tell you my big takeaway. The PELICANS Akins made to fight but I really have to like what they've put together. True Believer in Zayn Williamson think he is a generational player think he is the kind of player that you could create a Jaanus type system around. Let him drive to the bucket surround him with shooters Lonzo Ball. Tom Josh Heart Brandon Ingram. I like what the Pelicans in what they had to add to it over the future at number three the Dallas Mavericks while Jalen Brunson is nice. It's really carried by two players kristaps Porzingis and Luca Danni catch the ringer for what it's worth had Dallas ranked fourth and the fascinating little stat that came out of the ringers article is no player has had the kind of wins above replacement projected of the next five years Luca. Danni has here's here's the questions about the mavs. How healthy is porzingas comeback? What's he look like and how big is Luca? John Switches growth curve and number two. I had the Boston Celtics and here's what I'm doing. I'm honoring Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown and what they have done. This was Eastern Conference finals in down here. Don't have to preach to me. I got it game seven Lebron James. This is who the Celtics were before Kyrie Irving. I I don't know I don't think that Jason Tatum ends up the player for example that Luca Danni pitches. I don't think his ceiling is lower than dodges but I gotta honor what they've done and under twenty five I have the Boston Celtics two and a number one the best young core under the age of twenty five in the N._B._A.. Is the Denver Nuggets. Both Jamal Murray and Nicole Yokich are under the age of twenty five and I can't remember off top of my head. I had this ranked out on the board. I can remember is scary Harris under twenty five to or will Barton there. There's another third or fourth player that are under the age of Twenty Five but look man Gary Harris's under the age of twenty five untold so the the nuggets are the best young core. It's it's it's no doubt and by the way the ringer agreed they had denver as their number one. They had new Orleans as their number to Memphis is their number three thousand four and Minnesota Timber Wolves at five and timber wolves were carried almost exclusively by Karl Anthony towns. You need no a couple of things. Joel embiid didn't qualify so the sixers are only carried by Ben Simmons and now for the Hawks fans data yelling. You just said looked good. You just helped lay out. This hawks young core. Why isn't it in yours or the ringers thou- five in here I think is the big takeaway? Here's the point of the exercise. Here's what you learn learn from putting together the best course under the age of twenty five in the N._B._A.. And here's the reason why I don't have the hawks in my top five and I said you could yell hypocritic me for putting the Pelicans in there because I think that the Phoenix Suns funds are the great lesson in accumulating young talent on paper to continuously being at the top of the draft continually drafting high big. Tom Talent continuing to promise upside and hope and what's it turned into in Phoenix. Okay Devon Booker is a nice player. We'll see about the Andrea aiden but it hadn't added up to wins. It hasn't converted and that's the way it is all too often in the N._B._A.. Players teams look good young in good on paper never really turned into what you expect them to fully evolve into look. This is why I said knowing that he doesn't fit their time online. Hey the Orlando Magic ought to be a team considers Chris Paul. I'd say the same thing about the mass I know he doesn't fit their timeline but I also there's a long road traveled between a good young growing team and getting over the Hump and many most I never get over the Hump and went on Orlando Radio talked about that. Nobody wanted to hear it. Everybody's out on Chris Paul. I'm not but that's what the hawks still have to prove that it's not just high draft slots. It's not just accumulating talent looks good on paper that it works works on the court is well. Now you get to yell hypocrite because I did put the Pelicans in there and they showed it. They just look good on paper but I really Love Zion by the way Jason Tatum predicted he'll average twenty points earning all starburst and help lead the Celtics to the finals and raise his N._B._A.. Two K. Twenty rating from eighty five to ninety m putting it out there man. He's putting out exactly where they're going to go this year. Jake in Georgia what's objecting Stephen Smith show with will cain James. How's your <hes> as a die hard fan? I kind of agree with you that we still have lots of Peru's but I think that trae young himself especially in the second half did prove himself and I wonder if you can see him. Maybe being a top five point guard in the east next year if that improvement still continue continue to develop and he's off pensively efficient like he was in the second half of the season so here's what I'd say two things Jake okay number one. I look man. Don't don't turn me into a hater then you're not but I love with the Hawks on paper and I wanNA revisit what I said. They make sense not just like an accumulation of towns drafted high but like make sense ball handler big surrounded by shooting wings. It should work right but we need to see at work before we start talking about hawks topless second. Here's the thing about trae young I was listening to the low post podcast Zach Lowe's podcast the other day and he had a long conversation with Kevin Arnovitz about Chris Paul and one thing they said about Chris Paul is. Outside of Steph curry can you name an N._B._A.. Champion that WHO's best player who they were led by a small point guard like who is that so if trae young is going to be the hawks best player. Does that make you worried about where the hawks ceiling is at some point go to Devon in Florida. What's up Devon? You're on the Stephen. Smith show will cain. Hey what's up Brian going wanting to talk about how Lebron James Aims it might not be the best player in the game but he's definitely still the most dominant choir liner's probably the best players although he does you know he knows everything l. a. good actually but Lebron James outside of last year being burke. Who else do you depend on to dominate a game like we all know the broad J._F._k.? Know what the answer that anybody else. I'll tell you what the answer is. If Healthy Kevin Durant is the best player in basketball man he was torching. Everybody in the playoffs offs forty points a game. This was at Man. This was the year again. I said it a couple years ago. Everybody yelled hot sake. This was the year turned and everybody started recognize. Hey Katie's best player in basketball and on his way through the playoffs it was getting under debatable now. He's torn Horn is Achilles and how does he come back and it's really Kinda Sad. If you think about it like what happens to the K. D. window this was his time. This was his greatest player on the planet moment how much of that was robbed from him and Devon. You're referencing the fact that twenty N._B._A.. A._G._M.'s coaches and scouts when polled not one of them put Lebron is the best player in the League twelve said Kurai six Janas and to said harden and many said they would put Katie if he was healthy Lebron still great. You're right Devon Bronco the most dominant player. He's still great and I appreciate the call but let me tell you something. What kind of season does he have to have to get back into this conversation because he's not in it right now Devon? He's not now. Maybe Katie because you're not gonNA play for a year. He's got some jaanus Kawai and maybe hardened debate to go win. The seasonings Michaud on E._S._P._N.. Radio is presented by progressive insurance protecting commercial vehicles and offering specialized coverages designed to protect your business more at progressive commercial dot com coming up. We're going to close out with your calls on the best head coach best player Duos of all time. It's the Stephen a Smith show with will cain interest evening. Just what you're in the middle of a Stephen Swift show podcast. I will cain filling in for Stephen. You can normally catch me three to six eastern on E._S._p._N.. Radio the E._S._p._N.. APP and E._S._P._N.. News let's hit up the shell pennzoil performance line to close out the show. I've argued today that the greatest coach an star player do of all time in any sport football baseball basketball across decades sixties seventies eighties nineties to thousands and Hell I guy even through in fifties is Brady and belichick longevity titles and degree of difficulty gives it to the duo in New England. The Dude in North Carolina is with us again. What is it dude? What is it dude? Is it Trevor Lawrence. Dabo Swinney is a DAB taboo and trevor. Is that what you're telling me we'll we'll we'll you always go down that road and Dunkin. We'll okay all right prize. I'm shocked man. I'm not the one that goes down that road. We're here in our relationship. We'll education's free so let me get this quick note into you. Real quick all right asked me this question in four years and it's GonNa be Trevor and Devo is thanks for the call great vacation all right buddy. You still get one more day tomorrow all right which probably means we get one more day of us well Lisa in Austin Texas. What's up Lisa? You're on the Stephen. Smith shows will cain Yeah Hi. Can you hear me. You Bet I can lisa okay. I got a question for you. You said you went to the University of Texas school there. Yes okay to okay. I'm I'm a fan of the University of Oklahoma and yesterday. I live one block from campus at U._T.. Right yesterday you we're talking about this effort by the big twelve to try to rein in the down horns sign right a couple of days ago but yeah okay but I wanNA know. What do you think is driving that because you know U._T.? Fans they don't care right. We are Texas like so. Is this coming the league is it coming from the media who is driving the effort. What Lisa this is what I lay down? I don't know if you heard the whole segment of you heard like someone of these previously on their cut they go into the commercial break. Sometimes may have played yesterday but here's what I said the other day you right. I don't think his Texas fans. I think Texas fans think it's week that everybody has adopted it meaning. We get it when Oklahoma does it right. Horns fan gets it when does it. That's all rivalry and that's why I love Baker even though he hates him etlinger and he takes tech hates Texas. That's what this is about and now get it with Aggie fans did and I actually get it. If Arkansas fans did it. I get all that but start breaking out and now West Virginia fans doing it. It's weird. I think Texas fans things that's week. Sometimes they do it when they're not even playing Texas. It might be West Virginia versus Kansas and for some reason they're doing it. That's week. Here's what I think Lisa honestly believe this. I think we are just in the victimhood and offense culture and everybody wants to find something to be supersensitive about and now all of a sudden the big twelve wants to jump in and go whoa Whoa whoa this is a little aggressive offensive. Yeah I do think it's coming from an overly political correct league right now. What do you think Lisa I? I think that's gotta be right because I like. I said I live here a block from campus. I see all the time and they they the point of pride right that everybody's after Texas right right I with you Lisa all right. Thanks for the call. I really appreciate it. That's from a couple of days ago when I talked about when that horns down is offensive needs to be a penalty in the big twelve. Let's close out q in the Bronx but you gotTa make quick you. What's up? Hey will I gotta preface my statement real quick. It's never ever agree with you. I'm born Jetson. I hate the Patriots Michael. Jordan is my favorite player of all time but I don't even know why you're having this discussion with people it's clearly grady and Bill Belichick. I hate the Patriots. Acreage have season tickets to the jets for them to do that. 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"The Stephen a Smith Show podcast is brought to you by the new capital one SAFERCAR earn four percent cashback on dining entertainment two percent at grocery stores and one percent on all other all the purchases. Hey what's in your wallet. This is this evening Smith Show podcast either way up happy Friday America welcome to the Stephen a Smith show here on E._S._p._N.. E._S._p._N. APP E._S._p._N.. New Series Channel Eighty Michalis Michalis in the building today along with L. Dunkin filling in for Stephen over the next couple of hours but we will hear from him coming up very very shortly because in case you Mr Today L. on a grand a year on sports this morning doing sportscenter things on I take Stephen had a one on one interview with Carmelo Anthony Revealing I'm from Carmelo standpoint of what he still hopes to accomplish while he still believes he can play in the N._B._A.. How his career is played out towards the end and what he still oh seeking from that basketball life of his and one thing that stood out to me is he is clearly hurt? He feel some mm type away by the fact that he is not on N._B._A.. Rosser at this point and this is the point of the interview with Stephen were he explains you can just hear the hurt in his voice is strikes me that I'm not on the roster along with like due to my talent. I write due to my skill knowing what could still brings it. His game right humanitarian is thirty teams in N._B._A.. I can't make a fifteen man Ross out of thirty teams in the N._B._A.. That's why that's why I start to like bank about this a lot more thirty teams. I can't make a fifteen man roster N._B._A.. That is hurt. Art That is pain that is discussed that is bewilderment that is like for Real. I can't get on this squad. I can't get on that's what like he's literally hunt. Buy that notion that these teams don't think he's worthy of being on the spot if you're looking at it through the prism of is mellow oh more talented than one of the four hundred fifty people that are on rosters of course he is but there's obviously a lot more at play when it comes to mellow services as you willing to be a role player we're for real is he willing to take role player money and he wants to join a contender wiles at this point. which would the hawks give him a little money too short? That's not what he wants us not what they want want so. There's a lot more than going into this outside of the notion that he's better than four hundred and fifty other people most bringing Stephen a Smith to the Stephen Smith Show right now of course it. They had that converse. We don't have them my bad my bad I thought he was here all right so that was that was me messing me up because we do want to hear from him because again get his take being in the building with with Carmelo and you know he talked him before and after off Cameron. Sometimes you get a lot more perspective on those interviews before and after <hes> but there's one other aspect about it that I do want to play for the listeners viewers at home is Cremona was talking about the mentality of him taking a lesser role which for him a while ago not that long ago actually he was seemingly not willing to do this is him talking about that currently now wasn't willing to accept that role okay coming off the bench in Houston because that never was related to me it was you are the piece that we need to get us over the Hump to win a championship. I went in there with that mentality. We need mellow to come here to get us over this. I watched it. I watched the previous year. I saw where I can plug myself in that a- and I really believe that we were going to do that but when I get there it was totally it was something totally different. The dialogue started getting less and less there was no more conversations it was just doing and then I got to react to the things that's been done. Live on a boy your name down on a board on my name on a book I I sat down. Let me let me move on. I you're not gonNA start tonight. I call you should have told me that like let me let me fill it. I never done this before. I've never ever come off the bench before I've never done that. I sell for U._S._A.. Team but that's something until you've got to twelve best place in the world on one team. You tell me that you want me to come up. It's like communicate okay so it sounds to me like he felt like there was some assurances made right but when you look at the full context text of the interview and you look at some of the other things that he said there's a lot of assumptions it feels like Carmelo made in terms of his tenure in Houston right. He says things like they had been wanting me to get there for a while so then when I get there I was surprised because like they wanted me to come there and when I got there they say oh. This is the piece we needed needed and then before I know it they cut me that doesn't sound like someone who was promised or short what his role was going to be on the Houston Rockets. It sound like someone that assumed I'm Carmelo Anthony writing despite what what happened in Oklahoma City. I'm going to go down there and we're going to be a new big three or whatever and I'm going to contribute. That's what it sounds like to me. which again is not there Maurice Fault so much Carmelo's L Duncan Michael Stephen Smith today in the Steven A. Smith Show time for straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless? Let's bring in Stephen a Smith who had that interview with Carmelo earlier in Steve. I said that I got the sense that Carmelo's literally hurt by the fact that he is not on an N._B._A.. Team what was your biggest takeaway from the conversation you had with not just on camera number that we saw but even some of the conversation you before and after well he was definitely hurry he's devastated and you know what he's gone to mellow and I have known each other for about fifteen years. We've communicated consistent for fifteen years since he got hurt in November the only I'm trying to think you got that go by the Houston Rockets in November November the only time I had spoken to Carmelo Anthony other than this morning was at D. Wade's retirement party. That's it and our hello how you doing. We'll talk soon okay. That's it <hes> he's had nothing to say. He went underground <hes> he was absolutely and completely really devastated over you know get let go and basically cut and told that we don't want you after just ten games and that was a lot for him to deal with it. I thought that the reason you know I didn't and I didn't pursue this interview. I didn't ask him for this interview. <hes> his public is called E._S._p._N.. And said he wants to talk to Steven one on one. He doesn't WanNa talk to anybody audio's <hes> and he's willing to meet anywhere you want whether it's New York or L._A.. To do it and that's how it happened and he came on and and what I got from it was that he wanted the world to know he doesn't give a damn about a farewell tour. He doesn't think about whether or not he deserves it. He still loves was the game of basketball. s still wants to play and firmly believes that the politics of basketball is getting in the way more so than his game. He believes things that people don't want him because they believe he won't accept the role as opposed to think he's not good enough for a role and that's got the statement that I believe and peeled away from the interview that he wanted to make most okay okay Stephen A it's funny that you say that he's saying he's telling you he doesn't WanNa farewell tour literally on the screen and right now for those that are watching on television. We've got a quote from Carmelo Anthony's trainer that says he wants farewell tour the same way that D. Wade had that that's at least what his trainer told the breakfast club listen outside of what you got from Carmelo and how go ahead I asked him that question on air right are brought up what is training from earlier. He said he you don't know where he got that from. He had no business saying okay you know and he made it. He made it very clear. He has nothing to do with that close. He never said that he never told him that that would explain it and that guy got some explaining the Stephen A.. You just said why why Carmelo thinks that he's not on a roster and that's politics politics but you're an opinion nist and you've known for a long time. Why do you think Carmelo? Anthony is not on a roster because look on Bello. Anthony goes has not shown on a willingness to play a reserve role to play a relegated role because he's been a star throughout his career. He's a career twenty four points per game game scorer on nearly forty five percent shooting he can scorned anybody in his mind and he has never been approached nor at about taking relegated role until recent history but D. Wade have to sit down and talk to him. He'd pee three had to sit down and talk to because his initial reaction to all of that was Nah. I'm not trying to hear that and he had to embrace an adopt the fact that that's how he was being viewed at this particular moment in time so that's really the situation but I think think to me. That's the biggest reason why he's not only I don. I think he's absolutely right. There's no G._M.. With sense that can look at me and say he can't make Nature but he wasn't always sharp and aware of everything that was going on relatives what he was doing and we would be me mother cousin. We would try to tell them if I look look man this is it stopped doing it this way. Do this it up but he was a dude. You couldn't tell anything to something had to happen for him to get the understanding and I get the sense that Carmelo has been a guy who has my momma would say Stephen is hard headed. You couldn't tell him anything he had to hit rock bottom as it is is right now in his N._B._A.. Career to understand what some of the other people may have been trying to tell them in the past whether it was Lebron whether a c. p. three what have you but now he's at this point. We're he has literally been humbled as a basketball player as a professional athlete he has been humbled and now he's trying to get one more chance to win a championship championship and he had to go to you. That's your T._v.. And it felt like to me stephen literally begging for a job in the N._B._A.. Well I will tell you that I think that there's a strong level of liberty the argument about him having the hit rock bottom the only reason why I don't WanNa go full throttle and say that's simply it is because he's specifically said have a man to man conversation would be telling me somebody who's had a man to man compensation be asked me to make adjustments capitulate officially and I didn't do it. He said that didn't happen. Houston never talked to me okay see. We're really told me I was going to be the guy it was gonna be Russell Westbrook. You'll be Paul George. It's GONNA be saving at us and then they told me that I wished that situation would have worked out. It did it but I didn't point figures in no direction because Billy Donovan had a man to man compensation and made it very very unclear what he was looking for then never happened with Mike and Tony then never happened with their Maury and if that didn't happen and I was led to believe that the same people that have been pursuing being here and fast wanted me and finally got me he said you could call me making assumptions or whatever but I believe that I was led to believe that there were certain situations that we're going to take take place and they did not take place having said all of that when we talk about him coming on television and practically begging or whatever I'm not GonNa classified as that about the game because he's not the Kinda guy that wants to be someplace where he's not wanted. I think what was most important to him is to say if you don't want me. Let this be the reason because you don't think I'm good enough to beat that role. Play whatever don't let it be because people are telling you I feel someway and you did not hear it for me. I have not spoken since November. I I have not talked to anybody about this subject. Matter I went down under I kept quiet because I was looking my wounds and had to overcome some of my doldrums but make no mistake about it. I still love the game. It's still think I can play this game and I wanted to accept the relegated role coming off the bench in order to do it if you don't want want that fun but don't let it be the politics of somebody telling you. This is what I feel. This is what I believe and I'm GONNA BE A head case the problem for your franchise <hes> when you haven't talked to me because that's not how I feel and that's not the kind of Man I am. That's what I took from him and the mellow that I know I do believe he's as a man of his word. I believe he wants to play relegated row. Leave the he's somebody that believes that he's done and he's finishing. He can't play and he can't make a nine member. Ah rotation absolutely not but I do believe Michael Leaves. I do believe that if you talk to Carmelo Anthony Face to face and you told him this is the role you will play if you come on my teeth and he told you I will accept that. I believe he would do that with no problems because Oh cute very very big on keeping his work Stephen a Smith on the Stephen a Smith show the reason that's even is not here is because of course he just interviewed an exclusive interview with Carmelo Anthony Anthony. I do have to ask you Stephen. A at the point of this interview for Mellow was to change the narrative and speak out on behalf of how he feels. How do you think he did if any N._B._A.? Offices are watching and watch that interview are they calling him based on what he said today. I think it's possible not everybody but I think there's a couple of teams that might be interested thin and I think you can look at the Lakers <hes> to a lesser degree to clippers but I think you can look at a team like the Los Angeles Lakers or a couple of other teams around the Philadelphia somebody that might be. I'm willing to give him a chance. I do believe that because if the man is telling you about locker room leadership he's telling you about how he's willing to play and accept except relegated role and all of those kinds of things you know has been universally liked throughout his N._B._A.. Career he's not a guy that's been hated and despised and has been considered tends to be a locker room cancer that steps away from the franchise talks behind pieces back makes news headlines for the wrong reasons out you know off the basketball of course in regards to his basketball career that is it's something he doesn't do that so that's not who he has been and if you talk to him. I think that if you watch the interview with them this it's morning you see a man that has clearly Michalis pointed out has clearly been awful clearly recognized that concept change and he is no longer what he used to be eh but still feels he can give you something and God I will remind you of this jared Dudley no disrespect to him and all very good God. Jared Abdullah was on the Brooklyn Nets last year. He just signed with the Los Angeles Lakers. You don't think mellow could give you something like that. Rwanda Yeah Yeah right well. Let me ask this. Even if what team needs mellow like if you if you're looking forward dude the come off the bench that can give you twelve to fifteen points in limited action or maybe sometimes time being Golfer Twenty points your team. That's looking to win a championship that can help you in the regular season and when you get to the playoffs can be that vinnie Johnson type player coming off the bench. What team in the League needs mellow? Did you just hear me Say Philadelphia Ten Times daily shooter shooters Philly Philadelphia you gotta remember they lost Jae Rhetoric and their loss Jimmy Butler now. You Got Josh Richardson but you still have in be Simmons Al Horford Okay so when you look at it from that perspective. Where's your bench which you guy coming off the bench? What are you have? Philadelphia needs these <hes> somebody eh potentially give you some production this cord off the bench. Absolutely that's the first thing that comes to my mom Carmelo to philly would be a good idea. I agree. I completely agree with that. I I totally agree. Hey Steven appreciate the time travels and stuff we can brother. y'All take thank you are there with straight talk wireless everything for less only at Walmart <hes> look. I I get that Camilla wants a championship. Get it. Everybody wants a championship right but you have to also also understand if you're camello anthony how you got to where you are and as I made the point to Steven A. he was hard headed and a lot of guards he was the guy that forced to trade trade out of out of Denver to New York the number for making the playoffs consistently in the in the in the West and then he goes to New York trying to be a star and things of that nature and that falls falls apart so then he goes to Oklahoma City and according to Steven A. He was told he's GonNa be the fourth option on that squad but some people talking about even coming off the bench and you have that memorable clip of him saying Yeah Hey man. They want me to come off the bench. I ain't come up with no bench so then the very next year. Where do you go you go to Houston so they're thinking like art so we brought him here? We thought it was gonna be this rose not working out he clearly he doesn't want to be a bench player so he's going to let them go. Maybe another team to give them a chance. So a lot of this stuff I feel as though Camello is looking at this situation as if he's a victim victim and Nah. You're not a victim here. Some of the things that you're experiencing were based on things you had done. Previously this sounds almost exactly like the conversation station. We had a few weeks ago about Chris Paul Right like you force your way out of some certain situations in pursuit of a championship or in pursuit of whatever it is right and I think that with Carmelo the point is you asked a great question of Steven A. Who needs him outside of a team like the sixers there is no team that is a mellow away from winning an an W._n._B._F.. They'll be Jesus Christ now. I want him to play the W._N._B._A.. Is that an option walks that an option <hes> mystics maybe but so we're talking about a pity contract contract we are. We're talking about a golden parachute pity contract farewell tour. He says that's not what he wants but that's essentially before though Gary Payton gone with the heat he there you go so you know and I'd say Gary Pay. My question is deserving of a pity contract is Carmelo deserving of an opportunity to do it his way and at the very least if not in pursuit of a championship the ability to go around take a by let me say this in sports. Anyone deserves anything okay. If that was the case then Charles Barkley would have a championship John Stockton and Carl Malone without champion sure okay so Patrick Patrick Ewing would have one sure and Laura I would say those players way more deserving than Carmelo championship yes but his he deserving of one less opportunity to say goodbye on his own terms. That's what I'm asking a farewell tour two thousand nine goodbye. No He's not deserving. I don't think so I don't think necessarily do I think he's done enough for the sport I think he what does he done well. I just think Yeah because there there isn't anyone like these farewell tours that that dwayne wages had those things are rare is Carmelo Hall of Famer. Yes okay but I mean the hall of Famers L.. That didn't have a farewell tour okay so I don't think anyone you gotta be real. Special Kobe deserved one clearly of course Wayne Way. Lebron will deserve. I wonder if he needs it or wants it <hes> but camello not to me personally. I mean that's no disrespect to Carmelo has nothing to do with his ability to play basketball ball and how good is career has been things that nature but I'm just saying. I don't necessarily believe anyone deserves a championship in be only a handful of people deserve observe that farewell tour Magic Johnson deserved when we didn't get it because of H._i._v.. A Kareem did get one when he left but yeah no deserve. I deserve no. That's that's too much. He's not earned that right not to me but that's not a big. It's not disrespect feels mellow fan no coming the disrespect stuff. It's not about disrespect chronology to me. He what has he done to deserve it feels unfinished and it feels like it's one thing when you have ah to me. It feels unfinished. It's it's not about him contributing to a championship team anymore the last time you saw mellow on a court you did not think that was the last time you would see marijuana court and it feels like to me. He's a big enough one of name that outside and barring injury or something traumatic happening he at the very least deserve to say goodbye on his own terms. We got some N._F._l.. Talk to get to Louis. RIDDICK IS GONNA join us a little bit later as we'll Ryan Clark but we're also GONNA go out to Los Angeles and talk to the host of entertainment tonight Kevin Frazier. We're talking about star power now. That's in the N._B._A.. And maybe even L._A.. 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Dunkin in the commercial break here on E._S._p._N.. News and I know I was I was sitting there. Watching cat was looking at you like you know we do this for a living where you're GonNa let me 'cause I was. I was GONNA see closer. Guy Still don't have ears. Oh my goodness what's happening you ready. I have no here's here okay. L. Is not prepared to do live television. The just my ears working but she's here joining us now. Hold on let me do some things because you were throwing this whole. Show off right now folks if you missed any of today's show be should've checked on-demand. Stephen Smith podcast brought to you by capital on Capitol. One is reimagining banking offering accounts with no fees minimums the can be opened in five minutes capital one. What's in your Wallet Capital One N._A.? Member F._D._I._C. The host of entertainment tonight right former E._S._p._N.. Anchor former sportscenter anchor used to host the N._B._A.. Show too didn't you Kevin Frazier joins us now the Stephen a Smith show. I'm glad glad you laid that out there. Yes I did use the N._B._A.. On l. what's happening now what's going on. I lost my ears. Have you ever been caught saying things on air and you had no idea why did you are on air and you were just talking away your trip it and doing it interpreting people. That's how people lose jobs quiz exactly exactly and you see my best friend here. Just sat there and let me do it too. I'm like the music's plan like you're not catching any of this ears. That's that's on youth capsule. I laid out your your E._S._p._N.. Background <hes> for specific reason because you know we see this blend now between sports and entertainment and Hollywood would and you have Lebron. James now has a production company. He's he's making moves in Hollywood. You have Kevin Durant who starting to try to do the same thing. How would you assess the star power of athletes these days that goes beyond the sports themselves? It's massive if you look at Steph curry what he just did with me deal A._B._C. and his show and how he is producing content and producing movies you look at all these guys and what they're doing is. They're taking not only their popularity Larry power but all that money they're making because you have to remember. It's shoe contract money. It's all it's all the money that they're getting paid and they're using that money informing their production companies. They're making crazy amounts of money but they're using that to now make moves and what's happening. Is is we talk about. We want to see changes in the entertainment industry. We WanNa see folks integrated into the entertainment industry with happening because the ball players are doing their leading the way these guys are at the forefront and so I think it's magical what Lebron Brian is done. I think Kevin is doing because also you have to remember. These guys are also funding other people and I think springhill entertainment is great math Carter with the I mean listen they are running their starting to run things in Hollywood and if you've ever gone to a Lakers game and you sat court you looked at the core people sitting courtside you realize it's all the titans of industry and guys to look at that and now guys understand well. I'm going to be one of those titans of industry and so everything is changing changing. These guys are helping lead the way when you say that Kevin who've specifically like is there a we always talk about at least around here like the different of the four major sports. who was the most cachet who has the most cloud? I would say that basketball all right. That's where the money is l.. People are making crazy money in basketball all right now I last night I was out with him. I Would Devon Booker. Daddy and we'll have a bitter and I was just like man. What was it like when your sunshine that deal cry I would row? I would've went into quarter and cried they wouldn't be I would cry for like two days. I would like my child just like I'm Collado. If I had one it's crazy it's crazy but it's awesome though because let's say this like you know as well as I do Kevin and in Hollywood some of the people who run these production companies they don't necessarily know what is creative and what will necessarily sell wants something they can maximize the profit if it off of that but what you're seeing now in Hollywood whether you're talking about movies television shows online on-demand net flicks what have you you're seeing this this new wave of creativity and it's coming from the sports world but as it relates to the gods were talking about and it's also coming from the culture right and for so long that lack that and they couldn't figure out where to get it from <hes> but because you have a name like Lebron James other news they're going to listen to them because they're famous more so than they would someone else who had the exact same idea. Listen Listen Kobe just won the Oscar Young forget that people now they look at these guys and they're like Oh my God here the best examples at the Oscar luncheon right and and you have every nominee there and everybody's going crazy in the most popular person there that day was Kobe Bryant because everybody's like Yo the Mamba is in the the house and that the athletes own the town while the stars own moments because you know Tom Cruise will make a movie and he'll be hot for a minute then he'll go away the athletes own the town because because the seasons so doggone long and they're everywhere you see them everywhere but at the end of the day it's like you think right now. We're shooting space ace Jim. They're shooting space jam right here in L._A.. <hes> lebrons making space jam and by the way I know mine was a part of that. I don't know he's still a part of that and if there are not changes being made right now as we speak because movies are easy to make I know that there there's He's always has a very simple answer to this question but I'm interested since you're there. Currently I wanted to make a prediction because the epicenter of basketball will be coming from your town. How and I want you to make a prediction on the amount of celebrities? Will there be more celebrities and more injury at Lakers games or at Clippers Games. Here's the crazy thing I'm talking to one of the big ticket brokers on the West Coast in the United States and I was like it's going to be crazy for Laker tickets action. He's like you know what's really crazy is. You can't get clippers tickets especially for opening night and I was like I was like what did you say and I was like what did you say I was like well. That didn't even compute in my brain. Did you just say that. There's a big demand for clippers tickets right now. Listen the Lakers will always be the Lakers and Lebron and a d. will do their thing but all of a sudden the clippers perhaps a royal cachet in town and everybody who has ever been blocked out from getting into the way games all people because you know the clippers are the people's team the Lakers there's our l._a.. In Hollywood's team but cookies are the people team and now the people arise it up and they're like yell at us now. Look at us now which when you go into well I mean come on now. Come on I I mean I love what they're doing with. Clinton's don't happy alive you you know I'm down with that purple and gold and I just need them to pull their world together. It's time it's time the hope is though that you know I worry about the bookie he ate the experiment didn't really work in New Orleans and people will say oh well. He got hurt and Blah Blah but after he got hurt they really took off. He was still playing all it but it was a handful of games too though I'm just telling I'm just saying I'm just saying so you sound worried is what it sounds like me. I'm just saying so. I'm really curious about what what happens. Lebron Eighty. I do think I do think that Lebron will be the M._v._p.. This season I do think that you will see something out of him that you've never seen before. I think that he is rejuvenated. Juvenile I think he has something to prove and I also think that he is so inspired and having so much fun as bother watching his son in Clay Watching Brawny playing coaching those kids being on the air you circuit again. It's like breathe life into him at Bronner's been working out like a monster so oh he will be the M._v._p.. I'm herb. I know avatar remembered it Steve. I think Stephen is said the same thing clip this off. Yes clip this moment on he. He will be the M._v._p.. Lebron will be unstoppable this year not like good or okay you know he's GonNa hit that grown man little group and when you get into your thirties and all all of a sudden like damn. I'm a little older go slower. Send you like but hold on. I'm a grown man hit. That girl man grew. Here's a great grown man video right now. It's gone viral showing like an older brother. Beaten up on a young dude and the Hashtag is just grown man Strang so essentially that's what you're saying Lebron's going to take that Greybeard and now oh man grow mastering and here's the other thing to remember. He has a kid who out is going to be one of the top players in the country Brian's ridiculous uh-huh and he is going to be one of the top players in the country so you gotta keep going down because he's coming the youngsters come in for you. Can't let me ask you this before. We let you go. Ah How much more do you think especially from from your world now in world of entertainment. Are you guys putting in content relative to sports world than you did. Maybe three years ago five years years ago well. It's it's so different now because it used to be like oh peyton manning host S._N._l.. And that's one of the year but now you have guys doing stuff every single day and creating content and reaching out you know used to be like a guy has record label and now it's like no guys making movies when you when you look at the producers you know Oh dude they're producing movies. You know they are everybody is creating content and so it's a very different game now and you know I shall back to somebody by like Steve. Nash was at the forefront of this who was like Yo. I'm going to create content and I'm GonNa four-mile Company. I'm GonNa make stuff and he was really making viral content before people are making viral content. It's too bad he was just too soon. He got the game too early but he was you know he was ahead of the game and I just think that it's very different now because because the ball players aren't seen as just ball players they are seen as like these businesses these brands you know I mean go to a game you see Clinton wearing Lebron's on their watching his show you know the he just had the summer the billion dollar the million mile and <hes> they're wearing his is closed and watching his viral video he's everywhere and so I appreciate it same Dwayne Wade Look at how Dwayne and Gabrielle have formed the Perfect Union and what they're doing. I mean they're a monster. Whether it's the travel game whether it's you know the sponsorship gain whatever he's GonNa retire big more money than when he was quite a thousand percent I always wonder if Kevin being that he is firmly ingrained in both the entertainment and sports aspect if he ever wishes or if there was there's ever a sports story where he was. I was doing sports right now because I do that with his job. All the time like today on entertainment tonight I would love to be sitting right next to you Kevin Frazier talking about eight ZAP bragging go to jail. I'm just saying this phone L. Day I wanted to I would die to highlight guy to Joe so he was released from jail while judge figures out his fate but they said he could leave the country so even if going nowhere going nowhere we I wish I could do a highlight Joan Fraser entertainment tonight. I appreciate at the time we see Miami. I'll see you Miami. We'll be I'll be ready for you. I know I know how Michael Roles. I'll be ready for down there. So you know you know I'm coming cab. Oh wow the wild bunch on their way down because he's a calming effect we uncle J.. We did oh man to keep us down a little bit angry. Jay of entertainment and I appreciate the time E._S._P._N.. Radio presented by progressive insurance drivers who switch and save an average of six six hundred and ninety nine dollars less per year L. Duck and Michalis Infra Stephen a Smith Stephen a Smith Show E._S._p._N.. Radio guess what you're in the middle of the Stephen Smith Show podcast back here on the Steve Naismith Show Michalis Mel Duncan filling in for Stephen aid today baseball season rose along tune in tomorrow's Aaron Judge of the Yankees. He's host the Red Sox presented by indeed coverage begins at twelve thirty eastern on E._S._p._N.. Radio and the E._S._p._N.. APP This player resumes brought to you by indeed used by over three three million businesses for hiring post a job today and indeed dot com slash higher now Stephen not able to do as radio show today's traveling because he just said this interview with Carmelo Anthony Out in Los Angeles. We played clips of that interview earlier in the hour. You can go to E._S._P._N.. Dot Com right now and be able to check it out but L.. You had a question that we didn't have time to ask Stephen earlier. As it relates to what Camello really really wants here well I mean Carmelo. Carmelo did a lot of talking about just the love of the game wanting to play for the game and if not to play for a championship just to play to get his love of the game back because he loves the game so if you love the game do you love the game enough to go play on the big three or Greece or China go team up with Land Stevenson or Stefan von Marburg if he's still doing his thing the big three what why do you WanNa see criminal invis- thing is about humbling yourself right and showing the humility of there's the big names in the big three. I didn't mean to laugh though there are some quite audibly names that were big named at the time they were N._B._A.. Currently in the big three it's not about it's not about still being able to play basketball because you can do it anywhere he wants to play in the N._B._A.. And what he really really really wants is to be on a team. That has a chance of winning a championship. That's what he really really really really want any of what he said No. He didn't say you WANNA play in the big. Three either say that right the question is if you are a team of of that ilk. Do you WanNa Take Carmelo your team. Here's a question if you're the timber wolves if you're the grizzlies if you're the nuggets nuggets too good. I'm trying trying to think teams. Would you call Carmelo and expecting to play in your squad and if your answer the phone like you said I can't make one team out of thirty. How many of those did you you really WANNA play for? Can you go back to the Knicks. Listen if you're trying to sell some tickets right. You're trying to sell some tickets selling tickets. That's that's not the issue. They sell tickets. That's not the issue. There issue is fielding the team. That's capable of making a run towards the playoffs which they have been doing forever. Oh Hey this son's then could. He go play on the sons he could but I'm saying if you're the sons. What value is there at adding Carmelo Anthony to your squad and if you're Mel Anthony what does it do for you to go play for the game the love

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Star-Lord Backs Nickal

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Star-Lord Backs Nickal

"Thank you for listening to this. PODCAST one production Nobel on spotify up. PODCAST podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You get your podcasts. Uh ease bidden running these streets for years and and he still he added so is fear undisputed never Lao Osu around bodies hit the ground win. The bad guy comes to town barricade. Gangsta thanks to this man of heard on you'll be crying for your mama by the Taiwanese through lives the judge the American Gangsta. What's happening guys happy Wednesday and thank you you for joining another special episode of? You're welcome all right. I gotTa tell you in case my audio sounds a little different. I'm actually hold up in a hotel room in Los Angeles so I was out. Have you for Bella tour. That was last night. We're going to get into a quick recap of that little bit of a special event quite frankly doubleheader you have seized running on. ESPN at at the same time. So we got a lot of fights to discuss. But I'll tell you why I'm here I'm GonNa stay the night here in La. And I'm going to fly to Miami for the Super Bowl now before anybody gets jealous and thanks. Old Shale is bragging that he's going to the Super Bowl. I'm not I'm going to Miami. I get in on Monday evening evening with the time. Change like six hours to get there three hour time change. I landed about eleven. PM We're going to go and do some media with something called called radio row. And I've heard of radio rose. I trust you guys have but I don't fully know what that is it turns out it's a row of radio so essentially you you show up. Hope interesting enough person that somebody calls you over and then you go and do some radio content and then you stand back up going accuate. Hope that somebody else calls you over so a little bit of a media opportunity and you know as we excuse me as we plan to Super Bowl Week. But I'm coming home Thursday so I won't be at at the Games while I'm telling you I'm going to Miami for the Super Bowl. It's more of an expression broad stroke term right and that's apparently a real thing I can tell you guys might remember. Joel Joel. went out to Wrigley Ville when the cubs were playing now. He ended up getting a ticket into the game and going but he went there with his son without tickets and without even planning to get tickets. Because there's just something real apparently about being that atmosphere. I'm not the world's biggest sports guy so I can't fully understand it. We have have a great atmosphere and experience with mixed martial arts. But it's that day for the most part if you really WanNa make something about it you're hardcore fan you do do have other opportunities you do have some QNA's and you got some Wayans that you're welcome to go to you. Got Some open workouts. But for the most part to convert an entire entire city around a sporting event is something I just can't relate to so there's a part of me this kind of excited excited more. Just go see what that experience is like. See what the buzz of of of this huge football games and then come back and tell you guys because I really don't know and none of you ever told me so. Maybe we'll just imagine that we're both going through this the first time together now. Now I've got to tell you. Let's start with Bela. Tor couple of key fights went on. But let's look at two of them first off. Sergio Jio Pettus. Sergio Pasco's out and he's taken on a heavy hilt header and Alfred has knocked out eleven. Alfred is beaten eleven guys and he a beat them all by knockout and he was very confident he was going to do the same thing to Sergio with. Sergio ends up getting them on the ground. Sergio traps one hand and just starts teeing off right in. Alfred's difference face. Alfred start standing up like a Zombie. He's getting punched in the face with absolutely no protection by Sergio Pettus. I mean that's it's not a fun thing to do. And he was still standing up and he was gaining elevation. He was making his way back to his feet. Sergio let's the risk jumps out front puts on a guillotine surgery. Just got a black belt. So he's very proud to go out of use. The submissions gets a finish. This is all in the first round. Alfred ever tapped out refused to succumb to the strikes. Did it even tap out to the joke. He went all the way to sleep. The referee lift his hand. And let it fall like the old Hulk Hogan move to notice stop. The fight amon overall very very impressive by both guys press display of skills by Sergio. He gets his credit. They're put in an impressive show of guts and grit by Alfred. I was just one of those fights where you look at both guys and go okay. I'M A fan. You know what you guys both won me over there. Then let's before all the way to the main event but Chris Cyber is going to go out and Julia Budd one thing about Julia Buddy. She's been a champion of the world. She's been a dominant champion. She's been undefeated streak. She trains extremely a hard one of the best. Kickboxing coaches. I've ever met is a man named Lance Gibson. She's married to landscapes. And so when you want to talk about a young lady. That's got good coaching and good. She's got a twenty four seven not just in the gym. She's got it at home. They could talk about the sport and strategy over breakfast and coffee in the morning should they want it really. She's a very special talent and she's going to go and fight cyborg. But we're this fight gets interesting. It's cyborgs debut. Most people's debut in a new organization just doesn't go oh great and that doesn't mean they can't win that just means that performance just isn't great it's very real and true thing. Historically speaking cyborgs GONNA come over. She's won three world championships in three different organizations. She's going for an all time record of four world championships in four different organizations. There's is a lot on it but by the way cyborg is not bigger than bud. First Time ever cyborg actually weighed in a pound and a house at pound and a half less than bud and I realized on the scales. We're splitting hairs here. Somebody dehydrates a little more than they needed to. I get the whole thing but I still have to present the numbers as they were presented to me and Cyborg worked for the first time ever. Is that a deficit if you just stare at the two of them you know you always think about Cyborg and strengthened power. Well if you ever start Julia Abud you come away knowing. She's got strengthen she's got power and then you've got the final caveat. which is they play the same game? CYBORG has always overwhelmed well-named females with punches and kicks multi. That's the same thing that bud likes to do right. So this was a fight of two storm's coming together in kind of just like in nature when two storms collide. Whichever one is more powerful is the one that absorbs the other storm and as these ladies got in a fisticuffs and this thing was a mess to the highest level? And I want to go as far as to say that Cyborg was ever in great jeopardy Julia early Abud had her moments and her positions but largely Cyborg Atlanta tour. Three shots to buds one. That's just what happened but bud was not going away. Why she was looking to get to the late around? She was looking for four and five. She was showing Britain. Toughness and CYBORG was not backing down and cyborg is one of these athletes who will never cease to impress me of how long she can make her power last all power punchers. I mean it's broad stroke but you can paint them all the same which is take a little steam out of them. Grab a hold of pushing the fence. Make them work a little bit. Make him sweat move in front of a make then move in front of you. The more tired they get which includes the more punches that they lay in that you could absorb the lighter. Those punchers are going to get now. That doesn't mean they're not going to still be powerful. It doesn't mean they're still not going to hurt but it is a very real thing that they're going to be less powerful later in the context human logic right well. The one exception to that that rule might be Chris Cyborg. I never see her shots. Get any nicer or any lighter or any slower or combinations go from six beat combinations nations to combinations. She will throw a storm at you and finishes off with a kick and then restarted. Do it again if you're still standing in front of it's a very impressive athlete. But she's a very impressive competitor and it's very clear that she's very disciplined within her preparation. Her coaches have done. Okay very good job not just now over the course of her career to make sure that she is fit and in shape and no matter how many championships she wins. or how much prey. She's given or money. She puts the bank. Any reason that you would think somebody would go into this but also stay motivated. No matter how many of those things happen none of appear matter. What's next and I'm going to put everything into it and you can just see the discipline and focus? You can see the drive but you can also see the preparation when Chris. CYBORG goes out and fight. There's no other way to explain it. You must be prepared for battle. The will to win is nothing without with how the will to prepare and it is so clear to me as a viewer. That CYBORG has the will to prepare this as you're welcome with Jail Sun sports fans pay attention. I have a daily sports. Podcast I wanNA tell you about. It's from wondering and the athletic and it's called the lead every weekday morning the lead brings you a deep dive into the biggest sports stories from the day and the athletics. All Star team of local and national reporters are bringing it to you stories like where do the forty niners do star running back. Come from or what can Zion I on Williams do for the Pelicans. So if you're looking for the full story behind last night's game and the scores plus today's hot takes make sure you subscribe to the lead from wondering and the athletic on Apple podcasts. Or spotify I want to give you a taste of what I'm talking about at the end. Today's episode I'm going to play a clip. So make sure you enjoy now back to your welcome with jail Sunan so meanwhile on on the other side of the tracks you got going in there with RDA. Now I cannot bring you guys. AP's I cannot even say our DA without how following up by talking about what it incredibly difficult schedule. This guy has been given through the balance of his maker. If you go back and stare at his record you you stare at the dates you stare at the consistency. RDA's only have pull out a one ever that I'm aware of and it was big fine of his conor McGregor. Fight this guy. I doesn't miss a date for anything. Broad stroke and this guy has never been dealt a favourable opponent broad stroke. I mean it's okay. He's in in there with Chiasso. Been Prom you're going to have with is is now seventy powder and he's adjusted to a Kesse should have been one seventy pounder for his entire career. Just is based on height. He should look at his framing. Should have looked at the broad of his shoulders. He should have looked at how tall that he is and then he should have looked to put weight on but it took him a while to finally come to that conclusion Asian on his own once he came to that conclusion. There's some growing pains. I mean they're just issuing a new division. Things are different your preparations different. Your performance is going to be a a little different. I would never say that ever look bad I will just share with you. There's nights that he usually looks good but many times looked great. Michael Cookie S.'s. Second Opportunity against a world champion. Kay He beats him. Don't forget this is a second time beating a world champion. He finished Carlos Carlos Condit. That's pretty damn impressive. We go in there and you get a couple of wins over guys that used to hold the strap you matter and there's no way around it. No I don't think Kia says getting his come up. I think that has arrived. He's been made events before he was in a coma last night on the worldwide leader. ESPN I think that is getting his due. I would just suggest for you. Perhaps we need to give them a little bit more. Do He. Then called out Colby Covington now. That was interesting for a couple of different reasons. First off nobody calls out copy. Covington people are more than happy to put Kobe down and insult him through the media never to his face phase but nobody actually goes as far as to say. Hey somebody give me a contract locked in a cage with this guy so prosekey Esa took a lot of courage orig- and if there's anything that we learned about Kobe from his last fight tomorrow's Mackay. Have we found out that. Kamara newsman is the champion of the world and we did. We also found out that colby becoming in as champion. A right. Champion Dash One. He's the second baddest dude. And Kiss. As now saying I want to fight the second baddest dude food is calling out because he just beat two world champions. Oh and by the way it looks like the tomorrow champion is going to take on the BF champion and Mazda. All all roads do appear to be pointed in that direction. So that's a pretty good call out and if you're in copy spot Kobe's looking for a big fight. He's looking for a meaningful fight but more than anything Kobe's looking for a fight and nobody calls him out. It sounds like Kobe wants a match boom. He might have just found like I don't know how how bullish I am that Kobe's going to accept that and that's a fight that's going to happen but in many ways and maybe it starts with us. Maybe we start talking about about this fight right now and gaining a little steep but it would seem that Chiasso who just came off Coleman event victory over a former world champion who represents the second world champion that he's now beaten and to go in against the guy who is clearly the number one contender. Kobe at a minimum is the number one contender at a minimum. But many people feel he should he put on the spot and fight Kamara. There was enough heat and controversy and that I fight and I think if it wasn't for Kobe breaking his jaw all of a sudden. My goodness Wednesay coming back. I think that that that dialogue and talk would have gone and it probably would be an immediate rematch if you go back and watch that fight. So one of the greatest welterweight fights of all time. It was dead tied. According according to the judge I thought it was three to one going into the final myself. That's an unofficial car. The official cards had it dead tied going into the fifth and not for nothing. That fight got dirty already fast. I mean that was a very very interesting in hard-fought contest to make believe I guess what I'm speaking to is the fact that yes. Yes I think that a little bit of chess here. I think he recognizes Colby. Is The guy as soon as he heals up. There's an opportunity now to slide in grab a hold of Colby and see if and get a W. because all roads do look like it's pointing to be a math versus undisputed. I think we can agree on that. Move onto the main event of that. You've got junior Weirdo. Santos versus blades. Look I am blades believer. But I'm a blades believer with the caveat if he can get this fight into into this this or this position I'm not a blaze believer on the all around but that's not me. We being negative towards blades. That's me being observer of what blades likes to go in do in fights and he likes to fight a pretty clear blueprint each time time. Well he set out to do that with junior and you must understand junior joe. Santos is possibly the greatest boxer in anime. Are you ready for that one. Possibly I think more than likely he's the greatest boxer in the heavyweight division. Now steeping may have something to say about that. I get it. There's some arguments you can put out there and I'm talking over the body of work but if you go and watch what junior can do with his hand particularly that uppercut you go watch what junior can and do with his hands in his fights with Velazquez which did not go his way. Two of the three. I think you would agree with me. This is a guy we could at least say you. Don't want to be on your feet with you would elect to be somewhere else. Okay great so curtis comes out and Kurdish tries to take him down and courage tries to take him down again and then encouraged by the third time. Well it turned out that junior Joe Santos was hip to the Curtis Blades blueprint that I just laid out for you. So Curtis says to hell with it to plan B. and start trading with junior and by the way gets the best of inputs junior down knocks out. I think that Curtis really needs to be recognized for that. And we've seen this with many fighters riders guys where we see a body of work. We see one specific skill that they like to go to 'em they have success with and therefore we draw all the conclusion. That's the only skill that they have. We did that with George saint-pierre one point where he would take everybody down and keep them there and another round will go by he'd take you down and keep you there okay. Well as soon as he can't take somebody down he'll lose well he ran into somebody. That was hard to take down named Matt Hughes so George Through head kick and knocked him out took his title away. I mean any just in fairness this is one of these situations where Intel a fighter is forced to go to plan B.. We for some reason make believe he does not have a plan B.. I I can remember the fight when she was fighting. Ally Quenton Owl all of a sudden is making a very hard on Kabaeva housekeeping. His back off the fences keeps could be the number one position and two hours good at a single egg which is what can be likes to go to as an attack in the open so when Al start stuff in some of this stuff could be find. Come on. Let's do it your way. And they start trading shots and you start to realize commutes pretty good at that and people gave a criticism for that. It's not what I saw. I saw venoy thought that he was very basic. I thought he was very simple but I also thought that he was following the golden rule. which is I hit you and you don't hit me and when you do hit me I put my gin down? I put my hands up absorb it and I come back and try to hit you again. I could be did show us that. He's got pretty good hands. He reinforced my theory. That he's got good hands. When he went out there and fought Conor McGregor? who had just come off a thirty minute? War With the greatest boxer of all time and could be landed the shot that put connor down. I mean I think in real fairness to be also deserves to be in that conversation. But we've seen this with many guys. That's my point my overwhelming point here before you guys argue with me about did look good in the striking with Al isn't the point. The point is we as human beings tend to default that when an athlete does does not show us a position. He doesn't the show that at all he doesn't show us. He has a weakness there he just doesn't show at all. We default to a decision on our own that he's not showing it because he's not good at it. Curtis blades once again showed us. Don't ever Assu don't own ever believed that the top fighters Curtis Blades is a main event fighter. This is third main event. Now five times combing or higher curse blaze matters. Ars Curtis Blades is young curtis blazes. Handsome Curtis blaze has a story. And it's a little bit of a more of like a D as approach of of of F- You all and I'm only here for myself. I get it and that's GONNA turn some people off until it doesn't that theory and that marketing does eventually catch on and and it catches on red hot. It's just a slow bill so curtis is on the slow build approach but I do think that skill wise youth wise size is wise reach wise his ability to show that he can deal with certain pressures he can go into five round contests against former world. Champions he can go into main events on the worldwide leader. I mean Look Curtis. Blade showed more than just his ability to throw hands with J. D. S.. He did he showed an ability to compete Any showed it ability to perform. I think you guys like Curtis Blades. I think that you do. I'm just here to tell you whether you like. Hi Kim or you don't like him learn to love him because he's going to be around for awhile. One thing that you guys need to know about me okay. I am Emme namedrop or now let me tell you why you meet many people. You might be one of these people because people are just people and you're right about that the but for me if I meet somebody in person who I have seen on. TV or in a movie. That's a big deal for me. Let me give you an example. I grew up in. I guess what you would call the country a smaller town in Oregon and when I was a very little kid I wanna say fourth or fifth grade. A woman moved to town several miles from my house. But we're I lived. I had to take back roads to get to the freeway so I had to go through these roads all the time at some point on that journey to the freeway I would pass this woman's House that she just moved into. That woman was the mother of the bionic woman. I don't know who the bionic woman was. I WANNA say James Fonda. I didn't live through the woman era. I guess that was a TV show. Oh and or a movie and or a series of moves. I don't know a lot about the bionic woman but I've heard of the bionic woman. Her mother moved. Aw to an area near my house that was like the biggest neil a news ever every time we would drive to the freeway and passes house which is at least once today every single day we would turn our heads and look at the House of the bionic. Woman's mother lived in Port. I'm trying to make. We don't really see many famous people. There's not a lot of media. Yeah there's not a lot of TV. Shows a lot of movies being made out in Oregon so we had to default to our biggest celebrity being the mother of the woman who may a or may not be named James Bond. I don't even know but it was still a big deal so when I meet somebody. I know that I draw names. I get teased for a lot but I like to bring it to you. Guys can guess who I saw last night but I had an interesting runnin. So Chris Pratt K.. Garden Darden of the Galaxy Z.. Chris Pratt I actually more know him. I never saw that film but I know him from parks and recreation but he is a very big deal in the world of Hollywood right now. He's Red Red Hot. Chris Pratt backup high school wrestler state of Washington. I'm an Oregon for any of those who are geographically challenged Oregon Washington touch each other. where I live is exactly thirty minutes from being in the state of Washington so neighboring states? Chris Spratt in Highschool Chris very handsome. He looks like a movie star. He's a movie star but he looks like one as well. He plays a superhero. But you could see where he would get that part well in high school. Apparently that wasn't the same. Apparently it was kind of a Chubby on athletic kid in high school. That had a good work ethic and a good drive. He got into the sport of wrestling so he goes and does a camp at Oregon State University. The coach at that time at Oregon state the head assistant was randy couture camp goes on camps a week camp is done. All the kids are about to get up and grab their sleeping bags and go say hi mom and dad get in the car go home camps over while the very last thing randy couture does. It's got all the campers together as a big successful camp whole bunch of kids and he points to one kid and he says standup S- kid stands up Chubby kid and Randy said this is the guy. I work the hardest this entire week. This is the guy who got the most out of this camp. This is the guy who did what all of us should have done and moving forward you. You guys need to do what he did. which is be your early? Have a great attitude. Leave when we're done. Don't complain between absorbs most as you whatever. The compliments were something thin along these lines okay. Great that was back and no ninety three ninety. Four at the latest ninety-three Chris Pratt now. How trains at J. Glazer's Jim? which is called unbreakable randy? Couture's one of the coaches there. Chris Pratt who's now a big star walks except to randy couture and said hey great to see type thing Randy says it's nice to see you too and Randy's play nice to see you. Have we ever met so Kris K.. Oh you don't remember me. Hey you camp. At Oregon State was way back in the early nineties and there was a little Chubby kid there from Washington and the last day of camp. You have the kids stand up and pay them some compliments. That's me. That kid was me and ran is like you know what I have. The foggiest idea that was you. You look a lot different now but I I actually do remember that kid and I do remember that moment because it's the only kid that I stood up and praised which essentially gave a thumbs down all the rest of the I can't remember you. Yeah so at any rate. I only tell that story to tie in this fat Chris. Pratt is a wrestling fan now. I've met Chris Pratt one sometime roughly a year ago and it was kind of real quick but I had met him so I see him. Yesterday he walks up to me like we're all friends and he goes. Hey jail and he says Zahn he says hey who do you think is the biggest lock from America to be an Olympic champion this year right. We're in Olympic year now. I don't get a talk wrestling with anybody because nobody cares when I start talking wrestling. I'm like the only wrestling fan in the world right. I truly early in my own sphere of wrestling fans and even the friends that I have that are wrestling. Fans or former teammates reformer wrestlers. They don't follow it. They don't follow it to the international level and that actually requires some research to become an international wrestling fan as a very hard thing to do. There's no TV channel. No cable no satellite nowhere. You can do that. There's one website they cover it. You got to be a member you gotTa Log in and you've got to study this stuff. I'm one of the people that does what turns out so does Pratt. What are the odds of that that he has a subscription to the same website I have a subscription? He watches the same stuff I watched so he comes. Who who do you think is the biggest lock? Well that's a very refund question for me. I don't ever get a talk wrestling. Lock Lock for an Olympic gold medal. Is there any such thing and any sport is a tough question that he just asked me so I think about it for a second. Okay well I think if Kyle Dake can get out of the country get out of the country is an expression meaning meaning make the team can beat all the guys within America to make the team to give on the airplane to get out of the country to compete in the Olympic. It Kyle can get out of the country which means going through Jordan burroughs twice in one day if kyle aching out of the country I believe Kyle Dake four shore as far lock brings home the gold medal. Now I have evidence of that representative of the fact that Kyle Dake is not lost to a foreigner that I'm even aware of which includes a technical fall over star solution number of years ago which includes two time defending world champion but I also have evidence that he was in Italy two weeks ago and in the finals of that tournament with the second best wrestler alive evident of the fact that the Turk who he wrestled has an a world silver medal match lasted twenty eight seconds the second baddest man in the world officially could not go thirty seconds with Kyle. Thanks so might pick. If Kyle Dake should be able to give country and through Jordan burroughs the greatest lock that we have is Kyle Dake and that was my answer. He informed me that that surprised him. I said well who. WHO's your lock? He said Bono and he proceeded to tell me why he proceeded to tell me about bose attacks about both stance about bolts Bos growth evidence of his growth was the fact that he was the NCWA champion but a number of months later became the university world champion and a different style at a different way class. He knew what he knew all about about it. And I only share that with you because of I got a tickle about meeting him if I got a bigger tickle about having a conversation sation with him about wrestling the fact that he was an and still for most wrestler they don't still follow it wrestlers like to say it's a fraternity hurting club and it's a brother. They'd like to say those things and I wish those were true but it's not guys go wrestling. When they're done man they put that singlet away they don't ever go back back? And then you get the real hardcore guy that does go back and it goes back in a coaching role. But even he doesn't attend the local wrestling matches even he does not go Over the weekend logging to this website to the account that he paid for and watch international restaurant. It's just a really rare thing I mean I'm one of those guys and there's a niche and there's the market and there's a reason the flow so well the other side of it is. It's there's not a lot of us which means we all must come to one place and they satisfy that need but it it is what it is the fact that he is that guy. Oh and by the way gave Nicholson Rub and even knew about nickel women the NC double. A.'S PARLANE Matt Matt into a University World Championship and now pursuant an Olympic dream at away classes yet to be identified. It appears that Nichols going to go. Ninety seven nickel. Michael isn't a very odd spot because his two teammates are world champions. One Kyle Snyder at ninety seven his own teammate. His other teammates should he want to cut down to one hundred red and eighty five pounds. which I believe is more appropriate weight class? But then he has another teammate slash coach. David Taylor who is the world champion. Their teammates so so nickel has to essentially identify within his own room. which teammate AM I? Come in to take out weird spot right. I mean it's just a weird spot but that's how that's just what. The atmosphere is out at Penn State. So I think a lot of signs point to nickel staying at two hundred and eleven. I kind of think he might go down to one thousand five jess because I think it might be a little more appropriate weight either way. One of the biggest stars in Hollywood follows nickel and believes leaves in. You're listening to your welcome with jail. Sunan listen up. Do you own your home. Tom Sure you do and I bet it's a lot of hard work you know what's easy bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowners. His annual Renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you're already have so much to do around your home. So go to GEICO DOT COM. Tom Get a quote and see how much you can save. It's gyco easy visit. GEICO DOT COM. Today that's Geiko Dot com now back to your welcome with jail. Son Left discuss the hot topic. Stephen a Smith was gracious. Just enough to come on and cover connor verses Cowboy when I tell you gracious enough. I don't know this is an absolute fact but I do not believe it Stephen. A Smith has any kind of a contract track to cover. Emma I believe somebody. ESPN said hey stephen a this is a big week. And you're a big deal and if you participated it could move to to the next level and I have a feeling Stephen As said send me to vegas all help out now. The reason I say that I do not think that he was hired to do this. Role is because I can tell you with one hundred percent certainty when ESPN UFC kicked off. which was on January? Eighteenth of last year in Brooklyn who'd who'd overseas dillashaw. I can tell you for sure Stephen. A drove to Brooklyn on his own and participated in the festivities ladies on the House as a team player to ESPN. I can tell you that as one hundred percent facts so when he came out to Vegas I could be wrong. There's something to do there but I do think the reason Steven A. is participated is relevant. which is he has participated because he cares him because he helps? Stephen is helpful in the one thing that does seem to be missed by mini. MMA fans and the fans aren't wrong to want to protect the guys generally the fans turn on the guys generally is the fans ends that are going putting their finger. Somebody's chest or kicking some sand in their face. The fans are wrong to protect the guys. I just want to make sure that the fans do understand. Stephen is is there because he's helpful. And if you are a fighter and Stephen a Smith is talking about you. It's a big deal. That is something that would be exciting for you to put that in perspective Jeff and a different way than maybe you would understand different if you're a fighter and you win and you see Joe Rogan. Come into the ring with a microphone. Which means you're going to get a post fight interview? That is an exciting moment for you. That's a very big deal to be interviewed post fight and is not something that is a foregone conclusion it has to be earned earned. You could be a main car fight and that is a dud and they will not come to a post fight interview. That is a very real thing. So when you see Joe get into the ring with a microphone. You're happy when Stephen a Smith goes on. ESPN as the highest rated member of the entire network which is known as the worldwide leader. Because it is it is. It's an exciting moment. Now you also must understand when Steven A. comes on and talks. MMA He is very clear at some point in each one of those conversations to reveal to the audience. I am not an expert. I am a fan. Who witnessed something? And I'm going to speak about what I witnessed and I'm going to speak about my interpretation. In my opinion of what I just saw with how questions Steven A. is skilled killed and has the credentials to do just that but he discloses his upfront. And so many people do miss that disclosure Steven A. Ends up in some kind of headlines Headlines over saying he was disgusted by the cowboy versus Connor. Fight I was part of that interview and before Stephen Ace said that or immediately following that he did look to Michael who were his partners up there and said you guys are the experts. I'M A fan. I love basketball. I used to do some box but I watch you guys. And here's what I saw and I'm disgusted at the fact that Donald Surani wasn't able able to get off I'm disgusted at the fact that Donald Surani once he was hit and heard did not step back to grab a moment. Create some space or come in and grab hold of Connor and regain his thoughts. I think the misinterpretation as people said that ceremony was disgusting or that Steven A.. Found that disgust. No no he was in many ways complementing cowboy. He even went on to finish. That saw and say I know cowboy knows how to do these things. I know how he knows how to fight. I've watched tim fight fifty men. I've watched him when eighteen of the night bonuses. I'm well aware he holds eleven distinctions for records within the UFC FC. I am disgusted on his behalf that he now has to go and live with this performance where he wasn't thinking clear enough to either. There's step back to game his wits or step in whole take a couple of deep breaths so just to be clear on what the words that were sad eh. At no point did Stephen Come on and Berry Donald cerrone. That's just not what happened. It just not Stephen A. has is an opinion Stephen as higher. You have an opinion and people stop what they're doing to listen to what that opinion is because always clear and distinctive and he does not hedge himself off. This is what is separated Stephen from everybody else. That wants to be Stephen. A Stephen a has something known as courage. He has has the courage to say what he saw. The number one rule. If you're going to do sport is say what you saw. I have to tell you what I'll personalizes. That's not as easy as it sounds. Because within our industry it's a very small industry and we all know each other. And if you're going to go out there and say what you saw and that is adverse to to a guy who you have a relationship with or sometimes you even have to speak about your own teammate. And you have to be adverse because what you saw was was not positive in their light in that moment. That is called doing your job. That is what the job is. But the ones that rise to the top hop have the courage the discipline to remember that principle at all times to come out and say what they move move on there will be another night. If we're talking specifically cowboy here there will be another night when cowboys in their cowboy will shine to the highest of levels. Cowboy boy has been down before and he has come all the way back cowboy. One eleven fights in a row at one point in his career was given a world title. Fight didn't win it and came back and won another four straight cowboy can come back. Cowboy is a true fighter. Don't worry about Cowboy K.. Just trust me on it. Don't worry about cowboys. Do just fine cowboys. Cowboys down. Cowboy gets the rules. That happened in a fistfight cowboys. Senate himself after that fight. Man I got my ass kicked and I got overwhelmed. If you're not going to be Nick Matt Cowboy Badger. Somebody else said that what he's got his asking that guy would be in trouble. Cowboy just said about cowboy anybody mad at that no no the building cheer they give them a huge applause laws. They appreciated his appreciation to appreciated the tip of the hat. They appreciate that. There was no excuse making camera man. I just got my ask if there was this great moment for Stephen Aid to come out commentate on this which by the way I'll just share with the numbers go through the roof when Steven A. comes to the microphone long and so many times that I keep hearing that we want to be mainstream. Why aren't we made sure? Why are we show the respect of mainstream? When you have the most mainstream guy in sport come mm-hmm and talk on the desk live at the venue about your sport that by the way he sat in the front row and observed as a fan when he comes in does that? And then you reject it do. Are you really want to be mainstream and in a final thought. Make sure you don't forget anybody that thinks Stephen called cowboy disgusting heard it wrong. I'm start what he said. He said he was disgusted. Four cowboy the cowboy did not Stevens announce either step back gayness wits great strategy. He's right about that. Come in grab a holy Connor. Pick a deep breath gain your wits. He's right about that so to act as though he's not an expert he's is not pretending he is to act as though the analysis that he gave as a viewer who witnessed something and said he's right he is right Donald Surani himself. Alf has been in a number of fights where something and he steps back. He gained his wits or he steps forward grabs it and gains his wits. Cowboys been other fights where he gets done is a was this what we're GONNA do. Let's get it on. It's why we love cowboy. Nobody here was insulted. Somebody here was misinterpreted that somebody is Stephen and many people people owe him an apology. Guys I appreciate you. I must tell you I'm going to go enjoy L A little bit. You want to know what I'm GONNA do. I'm not even GONNA go around town down with a little bit of time off. There's some kind of a special out and it is called the Aaron Hernandez Story. I think it's the three part of. It is a documentary on Aaron Hernandez. I'm going to go and watch that. I might even let you guys know how it was guys. Thank you for listening and we will be back on Friday same time. Same cheile channel until then I am channel and you are walk. Thanks for listening to your a welcome with jail. Sunan download new episodes every week at odd gassed one dot com. That's podcast oh any DOT com. It's Super Bowl. Week could beat the. Yeah then I mean Pat Mahomes and the chiefs just went off during these play offs and that defense is just stout right right and the one guy everyone will be watching closely is the dude who towards the souls of packers fans and basically gave Jimmy Garoppolo the day off toaster. Another I carry. And more touchdown his fourth touchdown up the Paul Game Moster for two hundred twenty yards and four touchdowns against Green Bay. This the guy who was cut by six different. NFL teams and Dan who before the season was mostly seen as special teams player. And so today we're going to speak with the athletics. Tim Kami who has been covering the forty niners for years. There's about how much of a surprise most performance really was if he was a one game wonder how surfing has influenced the way he runs the wave hit and then he's gone. It's a very interesting combination of a surfer running back from wondering and the athletic. I'm under skelter Davidson. This is the leave leave. It felt like something great emotion and pass. This isn't a story. Dear diary the athlete it stays as with so tim. Rahim Ozturk performance against the packers was truly historic. What was his reaction after the game was reunited you know one of the greatest games are running back ever had in the NFC champ? She no I did not actually truthfully for you to even say that right now is like I'm still shocked. I can't believe that that's the kind of guy he is kind of Gallaudet players are but a special team had been bouncing around from Lee from team to team really wasn't thought of as a running back until the four dollars just started plugging them in there and he just never had outta bad run he just never went for less than five yards. So you might as well just keep giving it to on Samaha. The hand off into the arms of most Turk. He's gone touchdown. How San Francisco you know? Just he still acts like a journeyman acts like a guy who was a special teams player. Who isn't going to be a featured back while while he's putting up some of the mega numbers in the playoffs? They all treat themselves and they look at the world like they're a bunch of journeymen. It's very very refreshing. And I think it is a large part of how they've kind of coalesced together they all. Nobody's bigger than anybody else in the locker room. Even the guy goes for two hundred whatever yards in the NFC championship game. He's a surfer. write us a surfer. First of all you got no wetsuit on your just straight trunks you riding long boards short board. You've been to mavericks yet. Like like walk us through the Surf Perfect. I started a surfer when I was about thirteen or fourteen. And just been a big hit for me Going out there in the waves and runaways like like you see this video man just enjoying the atmosphere in the water and I wanna go to Maverick almost got US surfing contract for Billabong. No Florida waves out here in California. We're not sure what that is but I guess they get leaves out there and he certainly runs like a surfboard. MOSTAERT JERK GETS IT Samuel out in front touched it kind of feels the crested kind of like glides towards we're the whole isn't he catches the next wave and they're he's gone guys. Don't expect them to get past in the past them. It's not like a classic running back. He's not like Walter Payton joking joking joking he's got kind of villain the moment feeling where it is. The wave hits and then he's gone. It's a very interesting kind of combination of a surfer running back doc. And do you think he's been enjoying his time in the spotlight here. I think he has. He understands what it's like not to to be any part of this to be a such an afterthought to your cut by five teams. You understand that you know a world where he's not a star he's lived in that world so he's he's GonNa enjoy it a little bit again. I don't think he's seeking out crazy fame but these guys are all kind of enjoying it right now. They're all kind of like. This is a pretty good. This is pretty good right now and so tim. Mozart's performance seemed to come out of nowhere. But did you foresee this. I don't think he ever foresee not a guy going for two hundred. Plus and champion Malysz. He's top top picky certainly wasn but he's been impressive every time he's carried the ball. He's been impressive. He's a star special teamer. So you get some skills but you saw something building there and you sometimes running backs just come out of nowhere. This is the Shanahan's are Vamos. That pulling some guy out of the fifth round runs one thousand yards most or is in that category. They've tapped into something with him. Call Shanahan recognized it though. He's been good for for most of the season. Well Tim thanks for joining us. And it'll be interesting to see if most hurt in the forty niners can pull it off on Sunday. All right. I'll see that was a short clip of the lead a podcast from wondering and the athletic you can find the full episode and new episodes every weekday on Apple Apple podcasts. spotify or wherever you're listening.

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Hour 1: Luck Retirement

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Hour 1: Luck Retirement

"Great news. There's a quick way you can save money. Switch to geico geico could help you get great coverage at a great price and it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more more on car insurance. Go to geico dot com today and see how much you could save. This certainly isn't how i envision. This plan this amion retire <hes>. This is not an easy decision <hes> honestly it's the hardest decision on my life but it is the right decision for me. I'm in pain. I'm still in pain. I've been in this cycle which feels like i mean it's been four years of this injury pain rehab cycle and for me to move forward in my life the way i want to it doesn't involve football. That's the greatest team game in the world. I've loved being in that locker room. It's it's truly been the honor of a lifetime to to suit up next to many of those guys and that's part of what what makes us very very very difficult absolutely stunning news of the week. It's andrew locks of rubbed announcement of his retirement firemen from the n._f._l. You know we will be talking about that. Welcome to i take. I'm rows golden woody. I'm filling in for molly karen. I'm here with stephen. A smith and joining us will cain thank you for being usually didn't allow my man on this show but i have a like a great deal so he's allowed and i am like like anybody. I love you man. We might be come on now doing john john mcenroe please be. That's not what i do no that would that not only that now i wanna make i want to make sure everybody at home knows to stay with us throughout the day. We also have the best defensive defensive player in the n._f._l. Joining us today ram superstar aaron donald is coming up in just a few minutes plus r._g. Three joins us in the second hour to talk about the story three of the weekend and sports and yes guys andrew alexa announcement of leaving retiring from the n._f._l. Steven a. what's your initial. What's your reaction to this news. Stunning think it was stunning <hes> but it just really really highlights and illuminates what he must have been going through physically. I mean everything that you've heard about andrew luck. It wasn't just about his ability to to play the game. It was about his love for the game and when he was in the post game conference and he alluded to if not directly stated you know the injuries rehab have and what have you just the process of what he's had to go through over the last four years lacerated kidney the shoulder injury that left that made him miss the entire tire twenty-seven you've season you just have to imagine that he had to be some excruciating pain both physically mentally to get to this point at age. You know purging originates dougherty just seven years in the national football league with hall of fame clearly you know fully knowing he has something to look forward to her in that regard the him to walk away from his game eighty something that maybe they could get the n._f._l. Union leader the union president or leader to get better deals for the players. After you see another guy go bite the dust because he you can't handle it physically worse. They have the worst contract in the history of sports. These people have non guaranteed contract well. You're you're not familiar with that right because you have a guaranteed contract right. I can only hope how well you walk off the set right now. Here's the thing john truth with. The a union is not failed. Guys like andrew. Luck failed the guys at the bottom of the depth chart andrew. Luck's made one hundred million dollars over seven years. He's had his money it in game. Here's what i would say okay my reaction terrible about by the way andrew luck that just shows you once again before you you have but you get you see like i look at tennis the u._s. Open starting. It's a tremendous sport dare. I say it's an far safer sport so at least for the kids avid tennis academy. I gotta charity where i tried to get kids that can't afford to play to play this great game of tennis at least looked at the sport continue to play football ten in twelve fourteen fifteen play basketball. I play basketball soccer football. I was a kid now with this hulking physical presence. I wasn't that imposing to some of the football ballplayers and i was so i think i picked the right sport of but you know keep that in mind these poor guys are like gladiators in the roman coliseum like two thousand years ago and they just toss him aside. It's like next jacoby percent. He's gonna stop this guy. Supposedly one of the best quarterbacks ever doesn't that send some some. Please tell me we'll send some shockwaves. Andrew lucked retired in two thousand nine hundred sitting next to a legend telling him something. I'm sure you're already knows intimidation. She does not directly tied to physical stature. I'm imagining your intimidation. Factor had a little more to do with other things loking physique you you know you could be right okay <music>. You're smarter than i say roz. My reaction was now stephen eight now listen. It's an individual decision. John points out all the factors you put out of the factors to physical toll this took on andrew luck and that's an individual man's decision. I have to respect it but three points on now now. This was a seven year kerr. Nobody thought it would be this short the colts when they drafted and certainly not andrew luck well now. You lost your joy now. When you on the precipice of super bowl contention all the things he's been deprived of birdie was hurting. I agree on the judge show exactly the extent of his pain but he's now gone offensive line. He's got defense. He's got everything we thought he ever needed. The colts were in contention and finally stephen eight now two weeks before the season. I gotta tell you steve berlin. Who's a quarterback just tweeted. This chris. Mortensen talked about it. There are guys who will not say this on the record but you retire in march and april not two weeks before the season. Oh we may maybe wasn't planning on retired. You think you think that that's a safe bet. I think john that does how dangerous in physical the game he was desperate. I mean you gotta say the very least the guys desperately wants wants to play. He came off and missing a year goes into playoffs right and they say bigger things are happening for indianapolis. You don't think that he wanted to play that. He did think he possibly blinkered to get ready for this season. Most people most people don't have any sense not questioning whether or not he wanted to play because he's renowned for his love for the game not just as ability to play it so we we recognize that the timing obviously is something that people would bring into question because you could have done a month ago. You could have done it two months ago. You've been hurting for four years. Why this particular moment in time which is something that we'll get into a little bit later plus. You're looking at the indianapolis. Colts one could make the argument that david though they've been in the a._f._c. championship game before job. This is the best chance they've had a superior. You acquired funches. You still got t. y. Hilton running back a writer. You got brandi gitai. You've got an offensive line. That's rife would monsters who are committed it to protecting ham and it to me it makes me go back to. I'm going to bring up the name ryan grigson. I'm gonna bring up. Jamir say i'm going to bring up gano and all of these guys because those first three years that andrew luck was in the national football league where he got sacked one hundred times where we're looking at one hundred seventy one sacks. He struggled throughout his career now last year chris ballot who's done a fabulous job as g._m. Put together an awful lot that protected them and it was the first time because he really even though he's only played six to seventy two thousand seventeen last year was the first topic was protected and so when we look at it from that perspective you can lament the sport but what what i'm saying to you is everybody had a problem and you look at. There's a whole bunch of teves. They're put together a bit off. It's of line aaron luck andrew luck hat to work with. I see the indianapolis colts right management. They're the ones that screwed up from the previous. The previous i was about fifteen fifteen dollars. Johnny teen years just wasted this john deere point though in an answer lux defense it does seem according to reports that he had been considering this retirement decision for years quite for a whole year awards you consider and the conversation came up with the colts before this a few weeks ago i mean it kind of sounds like maybe the colts were encouraging him to give it a try and see if he could still find that joy or want to come out there and play this season would certainly think if i was involved with the colts own colts or manage the costa they'd want this player who seems like you know. He was a tremendous leader and a tremendous partner wanna to play. This is like a tragedy. This is really sad. I mean i can't understand you know y. You should've retired a couple of months. What this guy was desperate to play one more. Look at these guys. They hang on look. It's amazing. I mean brady's. The all-time freakshow of freak shows that this guy can still do this and it just shows you more than just there should be now. There should be recycled wayne gretzky. You're not allowed to hit him on the ice anymore. You can't even touch tom brady. He probably accept that in the n._f._l. When they will position might get there soon allow me to interject because john mcenroe's the great john mcenroe. You are saying quite a few things that i feel the need to address first of all. Let me be very very very <music>. Glad you waited for that. Means you ready. That's good. I will tell you this. This is not about andrew luck. This is just about the position that you're taking about the game. There is something to be said about knowing what you signed up for. I get where you're coming from. In terms of the volatility that exists within the national football league we also also have to understand that these players know what this up for fully capable of dealing with it to the best of their ability. It ain't tennis then when you bring up tennis because you here. We all know what you uh-huh. I love tennis well. Let me very very clear about something here. You know as well as anybody that most folks antennas don't last into their late twenties. That's good enough so when you're sitting here and saying take a look at the sport and damage football so volatile understand violence perspective you say look choose another avenue uh but in terms of longevity in terms of accomplishment etc one could argue that swamp people achieving and football they are achieving in tennis tournament americans i get. I am wherever i'm not suggesting listen. I love football okay. I think it's a tremendous game. I think they should be better taken care of that's what i'm saying. Okay let the owners either multi billionaires that weren't multi-billionaire until they brought the sport up to a level higher than it's ever been wondering they take. I don't know what the salary cap issues are wills. You know an expert on that new probably are too but how can they give more guaranteed. I'm going to be this is for the players. You give them guaranteed contracts like they do in the n._b._a. Like they do in the n._h._l. Like they do in every sport. Tennis doesn't have guaranteed contracts by the way and if god forbid they get hurt arena. They toss them and they get someone magical. Yes sure something called a signing bonus. This let me finish. Let me finish tomorrow m._r. So if you have all right signing bonus not just at but a guarantee portion so aaron rodgers side for one hundred plus million dollars okay or rather a better example is russell wilson he signs a hundred seven million is guaratee carson wentz. One hundred seven plus billion is guarantee. How much how come what's the not the entire salaries juice out and like nothing's guaranteed. I didn't say that okay. Don't come on put a pause. We're gonna talk tennis now. Yes the next next ten hours joke convention sissy pass. We are going to get into that and yes the appreciate you being here. You're kicking me out already right. I won't be watching you. Don't wanna miss his casinos in basketball twelve noon and god knows we received the football. Yes someone cares for somebody. Nobody truly physically intimidating. Wait to waiting to come in and this is where we say goodbye to you. We gotta say goodbye. What's going on everybody. I'm only carom and you're listening to the first take podcast summertimes here breaking out the hat for a day at the beach. Whatever going game etc cetera or you're just trying to hide thinning hair. Don't sweat hair loss the summer do something now while you still can listen to this. You're not alone. 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What was your reaction when you heard the news shop but it's kind of sad because such a great football player you never want to see that but you know you take a toll in your body after years and they keep happening to your guest you get tired of it and also attended a day. You've got to protect yourself so this decision he may but definitely said and will cain here so as rogers introduce you to time defensive player of the year but there are people beginning to talk about you as and maybe too late by the way in the level but we keep talking about guys like for example luck brady rush. It seems to be a quarterback. What's it gonna take. What do you have to do this year. Finally bring that m._v._p. Defensive side of the ball just keep playing ball man. I guess touchdowns but to keep planning and thinking about it and just let it happen so you know in a mix of me doing my job trying to win games success coming. You know whatever happens happens. Do you feel you deserve to league m._v._p. Do you feel that you're somebody that deserves and warrants that kind of consideration not just defensive player of the year but league m._v._p. Considering the the position that you play well that was last year. This is a whole new year fresh all over again so if you if you make replacing you that type of guy that you know planet level and deserve it or not so let me go back to last year because obviously you guys went to the super bowl. You lost to the new england patriots. I certainly don't blame the defense for that. You guys showed up your offense. That's a different story for another day but as we go into this season. How are you feeling about. Your defense kept fowler. Obviously you're still there. You're quiet clay matthews off season. He's not what it used to be but experience. It's matters that he can still ball but donna consumers going how you feeling about your defense coming into this season offer real good. I feel like we've been looking great. You know we can you know all the right. 'cause we got back. They're making great calls. You know a veteran presence that had a lot of success in this league and clay to the mix that athletes that's not we're gonna do nothing but make us better definitely play with a guy that had a lot of success in olga communications huge for so veteran presence like that had to help us. You know already had fillet. That's gonna make us that much better so i'm just decided about it aaron. You held out just before last season. You were looking for a new deal right now. All the headlines are about ezekiel. Elliott's hold out. Do you have any advice for him in this moment i'm i'm just keeping your cell phone and top shape. You know keep working. Keep grinding and that's a business ended a day so they always wanted to go. Just don't take it personal. You know you take take a personal and that's when things start messing with you and you start getting a little angry so long as you let business business and keep yourself on top shape here before and obviously missing training camp didn't hold you back last year and i'm gonna ask you. How about this. I'm asking for two names. Okay tell me when you're lining up that week the quarterback back that you're going against whether or not it's how quick releases or how much he's capable of reading. What's about to happen with the defense that you're most nervous about the quarterback but also i really am curious. Switch offensive lineman you feel like is the biggest job for you as you line up that weekend when you have a lot of the says she's still getting a lot of attention so you really don't get that many opportunities that one on one so i always tell people you know not one guy's about two or three guys you gotta worry about so <hes> you know we play against a good team and we've been preparing for that to get ready for it. Even though you know we got one more preseason game left ultimate goal is to get ready for week. One and that's what we've been doing. Uh-huh just started breaking down film yesterday on them so <hes> you know they got a great quarterback. Gotta you know a good medic and a lot of things in a backfield and out the backfield so got a lot of good pieces around you. You got to study that and make sure you're trying to contain them so everybody's been looking at you guys rating defending n._f._c. champions and and a lot of people look at you all and they say okay no surprise if they get back to the super bowl but there's chicago. There's philadelphia. This dallas who you handed in the divisional playoff upped again. Thank you by the way for that. I really really appreciate that when you look at when you look at what what the other teams in the n._f._c. how they're looking right now. Do you believe this is the same situation as last year. Do you think is going to be considerably tougher this year because there's a slew of teams that are perceived as being better. I'm um. You never know you know you. You gotta play the preseason. Obviously guys ain't gonna play their stores and you know you play multiple not too many snaps and things like that so you never know you never know until are you actually suit up week wanting you see actually playing the game and and see this assist heaven and they actually start pulling plays out. You know you really not running too much in the preseason. You don't know but i'm coughing team. You get with the coaches. We get you know we're going to be better than we were last year and that's the scary thing we we are a lot of room for improvement and you know we approve them things. So why. Why do you believe y'all are going to be better especially. Listen and let me preface my statement by my comment uh-huh saying this too many questions have been asked about todd gurley south damn near feel. Let's unfair to him. Give demand a chance to show up on the field because we know what he's healthy. He's an absolute stud cut but nevertheless there have been those questions and we saw golf struggle a little bit in the super bowl. Why do you believe this team. This year is going to be better than last history with them. Last year. You know you you live. You learn from mistakes last year. You know i feel like you know the ups and downs. We have eh us that much of a stronger team. Obviously going to fall short enough that if you feel like you know everybody's nobody got a different type of mindset had experiencing and going through what we went through last year and then new pieces to this to this defense obviously like where to an end and clay and what i've been seeing that practice. I just feel like we look much better than what i've seen last year to in the past year so i'm excited about this upcoming season aaron listen. I understand you didn't want to give me the quarterback. You get double triple teams. I you don't want to give bulletin board material. I understood what you were doing there but this feels safe here and you're not this isn't going to be bulletin the material right e._s._p._n. Just put out its all time n._f._l. Team okay on the defensive side of the ball. There was obviously some big time names lawrence taylor reggie wight when you are now look to tom n._f._l. Defensive player of the year now. We're gonna start talking about all time stuff with you in the not too distant future when you think about that. Who are you chasing. Who's the greatest. Who will you chase it. <hes> honestly i'm really chasing nobody. I'm just playing. I learn in college. I used to always trying to chase that since they like that. I feel like you know you don't play as best you don't want to go out there and you just plan free and having fun and that thinking about about it. You tend to have a whole lot more success. Oh i'm just playing a game you know honestly i'm just playing a game football trying to find ways to have success out my team to win and like i said and a mix of doing that you have success and things happening on full how they unfold but angle is to be the best player i can be. You know obviously. I'm that plan to be average. I want to be great so i'm having success in my main goal is and continue to keep getting better and better so i'm just playing all right aaron. Donald we wish you the best of luck and the best of health the season go ahead say donald first of all again. Thank you you for silencing them. Damn cowboy fans last year. It's greatly appreciated. Thank you for bringing relevancy in football back to l._a. Because because there are many many worst places to be the southern california can grow appreciate has love for you so do we have a great season. Good luck and thank you for joining us aaron. Thank you appreciate it. Any player will be hurt by that. I'll those fans you know have their moment where they can look back and say man ever they shouldn't have done that and how they apology from fans but <hes> he's done a lot for that organization so they should rethink that i applaud them for making a tough decision and it's hard to make that decision with the scrutiny in <hes> you know what people say on social media and i know what happened last night. Also gotta understand to give effect. That is the livelihood that something happens. You can't adduced for the rest of your life so that's much bigger than i guess the numbers and whatever they look campbell is the gift that we've been given also the curse those were colts fans booing andrew luck after news of his retirement broke during the colts preseason game saturday night and following the game luck said this about the booze it hurt. I'll be honest. It hurt all right. Let's welcome in former n._f._l. Pro bowler keyshawn johnson. Thank you for being here. Well thank you. We'll start with you. <hes> was the booing by fans fair or allow me to take this to go. I i'm going to try to be as nice as professionals are positively can be here. I can't believe i'm saying this. The fans were not wrong. I think people it's it's real popular to sit at the appoint the finger at the fans and a lot of times it's justified and it's deserved zurve but i gotta say it wasn't that you gotta take everything should be contextualised. You just found out about a week to go before n._f._l. Week and a half before the n._f._l. Season start that your star quarterback who by the way missed the entire twenty seventeen eighteen season comes back wins comeback player of the year takes you to the playoff gets you to divisional playoff game and not only do you have a significant portion of t. returning but you add devin funchess to the mix to help out a t. y. Hilton you got a massive offensive. Line egr on is coming off an all pro caliber year when you look at all of those things taken into consideration and then in the moment you learn. The man is retired right like what the hell's going on. What is this okay and this is the point that i'm trying to make jim brown didn't retire at age twenty nine. You know what he retired. July thirteenth one thousand nine hundred sixty six berry said there's retired at age thirty one you know when he retired july twenty seven nineteen ninety nine calvin johnson retired eh aged thirty you know when he retired mortgage eight two thousand and sixteen if andrew luck had retired at any of those times. I don't thank you get that kind of reaction. It's that wait a minute on august fourth. I think you told peter king. I expect that'd be ready week one and two three weeks later you retiring so i think that we have to take that into consideration. I think you don't think the bulls were about leaving. I think the booze were about the timing in other words. We get ready to start the season so you've been going to what you go into and a weekend before the n._f._l. Season begins we get this news. I think that's the problem i think as a result of that i think in this particular instance first of all it wasn't everybody there was some seventy landau it was it was i think those people in that moment deserve that pat all right listen. That's what what i'm saying keyshawn. Let me jump on stephen for just a moment here. Here's the thing i actually think everything you just said was true. Man the timing of it the overall sense of disappointment colts fans had a real legit reason to believe they were going to contend for a super bowl this year. I was going to talk with them in the a._f._c. Making my preseason picks there's real will not just disappointed with the sense that things came in way under expectations for andrew luck and the indianapolis colts and i and i understand that man and here's the thing i've made arguments passed. I fans job is to be fans and to feel it there visceral. That's what they're supposed to be doing. However everything you've just said can be true stephen eight. I'm not trying to be on a high of course i'm not trying to sermon is but you've got to be better than that. You can feel all that it can be real and you can your mom can tell you i understand baby the patch on the back but you still got to be better than that. You cannot rain down our guide. Who's giving you seven years. I respond kisha well. Look i kinda somewhat. I agree with stephen anaconda somewhat agree with two wheel. I would say at this way. No andrew luck is a teaser to the fans okay stephen. A. said he he put them in a situation where they felt good. They go out there. They get devin funchess they draft line and they do all the things to make a run their faith. They were favored to win their the division. Okay let alone the conference by some. They were favored by some. Even maybe make it to the super bowl all of these sort of things fantasy football you you just name it and then all of a sudden you here why sitting in the stands at a pre season gate quarterback has decided to retire tire right before the end of preseason and now you basically a stuck with the number two quarterback having to be your starter so you're gonna feel a certain type of way now as it comes down over the next several days. I'm sure we will see people say come out at the fan and the fan base and say they would sorry ortega ready. We're emotional all of those sort of things but i don't see twenty four hours. It'll be overweight as far as the bulls go. People will celebrate the seven years that he had in indianapolis. I i think a lot of people were saying now the seven years we're all making seven years like they won a bunch of super bowls. They made some play-offs. They want some divisions but it's not like like they want super bowls tom brady and because a guy who was showing promise from injuries and taking them to the playoffs when they had a bad season a year before yeah key and because of that. I'm not sure it's going to go away in a couple of days. We all agree the andrew luck experiments. Stephen indianapolis fell short honestly way he's short of expectations. I don't waste your will oh man. I don't think short oh you're all be andrew. Luck was drafted. He was billed as there's a generational quarterback. I'm not talking about a first overall pick every other year in the draft. I'm talking about a guy who ousted peyton manning ragsdale break break break. We gotta go to commercial break. We'll keep oh you don't wanna listen roz. We'll be talking about this topic all throughout the show. 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Hour 1: Domonique Foxworth

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Hour 1: Domonique Foxworth

"I take your take on ESPN radio, the ESPN APP. siriusxm channel eighty and the ESPN news I'm Jason Fitz start you with some headlines around the world sports that you need to know former Washington bullets, player and coach Wes. UNSELD died Tuesday morning. According to his family, he was seventy four years old family said in a statement that he had lengthy health issues most recently with pneumonia family statement quote. He was the rock of our family, and extremely devote extremely devoted patriarch who rebelled and being with his wife Children, friends teammates. He was our hero in love playing basketball. Basketball and working around the game of basketball for the city of Baltimore and Washington DC City, proudly wore on his chest for so many years our condolences go out to the unsettled family next up on the headlines You need to know we'll stick in the world of the NBA, and it revolves around Zion Williamson remember there are accusations that the Zay on had some benefit in going to Duke, and it's gone to court at this point well, a Florida State Court judge on Tuesday denied the PELICANS rookie requests to stay discovery into whether he was eligible under. Under NCWA rules when he played one season at Duke, so the Eleventh Circuit Court judge ruled that Williamson will be required to answer in interrogation into I'm not even going to try and say questions and requests for admissions from attorneys at this point, who are suing there are two attorneys suing Williamson for one hundred million dollars for breaching their marketing agreement, so we'll see what that means moving forward. Obviously, as we continue all eyes on what that will mean next, and lastly over the weekend, former Indiana football player Chris Beatty was shot and killed Saturday night. Night in Indianapolis during violent weekend in the city, except for multiple gunshot wounds during a shooting late Saturday night at a downtown intersection was pronounced dead at the scene. He was thirty eight. Our condolences go out to his family as well as I take your take on ESPN radio, the ESPN. APP Siriusxm Channel Eighty Espn News were presented by Progressive Insurance I'm Jason Fitz. You know the phone number triple eight say ESPN, eight, eight, eight, seven, nine, three, seven, seven six. Now you're listening every day you listened yesterday. A got the opportunity yesterday to come on air and. Speak to the nation and speak his truth and speak to people about what's on his heart, and on his mind, and that's an incredible opportunity for Steven, and I'm thankful that Stephen they got to take this and do some good with it. It's incredible at the same time. I have plenty of things I want to say also and so. We're going to do that today and you. You know if you've listened to me on any format at this. This point that escapism is something that I often preach off and say hey, you come to espn, because you WanNa, get away, and you come to ESPN, because you wanna think about different things and I understand that whether it was a music whether it's in sports, I always took that responsibility seriously to give everybody the opportunity to think of other things, unfortunately in the world that we're in right now. I don't think that that's the right thing and. And if anything I find myself after days of questions and conversations was so of my close friends, wondering if that was ever the right approach of I just sat back behind escapism, and said man. I'm going to provide escapism because it's much easier than talking about difficult issues, so that's what we're going to do. We're going to have a real conversation today and we're going to do it in a different way than I think you've ever heard anywhere. Anywhere before on these on these shows about these issues, you're going to hear some I take, we'll start there, but after that we're going to get some real conversations that Iran open honest between me, and some of my closest friends here at ESPN that I respect the heck out of that happened also be black, and that conversation is going to be real, open and honest from them, and from me about what we can be doing better. Approach things differently. What needs to change in the world? What I could be doing better. Would they be doing better? It's a real open raw moment, and I think what I'm trying to accomplish over the next two hours, if anything, but I'm trying to accomplish, is bring some of what I've learned just from having better conversations with people that I love and respect over the last week I've learned. I've grown and I. Hope that over the course. Course of the next couple of hours we can do that together if you WANNA be a part of this conversation I will let you we won't shy away from a triple eight. Say Espn, eight, eight, eight, seven, nine, three, seven, seven six year. Welcome to call in. You're welcome to get your points in, and we're welcome to have new welcoming the conversations with what I'm not interested in today is a debate I'm interested in a discussion. Discussion a real discussion where everybody has an emphasis on not just speaking, but also listening. That's what we're going to accomplish. We're going to start with some straight talk. Straight talk. Wireless doesn't play Games. The unlimited plan twenty-five gigs of high speed data then two G. for just forty five bucks. A month saves you up to fifty percent against the big carriers, no contracts compromise savings may vary terms and conditions at straighttalk dot com we'll start. Start with the straight talk came from Michael Collins. We all know Michael. Collins says a great job for this network covering obviously Gulf well, he joined I take today because part of the process we're going through now is seeing comments and statements from teams and athletes will tiger woods came out and made his statement, and the question is. How does that statement now make him look Michael Collins joined Steven A. and Max and they discussed it. When and what is right as far as if you're an athlete? That's an African American. If you're a young kid as Herald said. Let's say you're a rookie in a major sport that just came out and came from the hood. How can you take the right amount of time to think about how you feel and get that out there in an eloquent way when people are going to look at you and say you either took too long or calling out calling you out to come out and say something, and if you do come out and say something, are you saying how you feel I? Had people already reach out to me and say? Can you need my and talk about this and my response was i. don't know how. In a constructive. Way To respond to something because of the anger that I was go ahead. Is Five Michael said direct because I brought up tiger woods. Tiger Woods not a rookie in some league. Who doesn't know how to deal with this? He's been around for decades now he is, he has had access to information. Education resources all over the place I'm reminded this is a sport Augusta no African American members till nine thousand nine, no female members till two thousand twelve, and when Tiger was going to play at Augusta. Maybe in the early two thousands that became an issue. Why aren't there any female members? He though he had profited profited from a Nike. Commercial exploiting the idea that Oh, I was not allowed to be here and there once upon a time when it came time to stand up for women who were being excluded, he really didn't do anything and again he made it. He made a statement about respect for the office of the President without and tried to make it sound as though he wasn't talking about like he was trying to have it both ways and here he makes a plausible statement. It's fine on the surface, but I am dissatisfied with it. Well You. Michael Hold on, Michael Hogan What you miss it Max. Here's what you missed it Max! You GotTa understand with certain people don't know either. Don't know or not comfortable with who they are. You comfortable your own skin Michael. Collins is comfortable in his skin. Tiger Woods, want you know on national airwaves when it's one on national airwaves and wouldn't identify himself with his own blackness when we all know when the COP stop you day. No, you black I mean we know this already. So you have certain people that are comfortable within a certain people that are not what I'm saying to black America, and what I'm trying to educate White America about as well as understand the difference. There's a difference between somebody WHO's oblivious. Somebody who's ignorant Dan. They're fearful of their own identity. As opposed to somebody who's very comfortable and literally choose as despite their comfort to be cowardice. This difference because that's where cow it comes from cow. It doesn't come from. State shower. This comes from you know exactly who you are. What you are. You accept it, but did you WANNA be week? When the moment calls for you to be strong, that's entirely different. That'd be lost, and so would argue that when it comes to blackness at least in the past because I don't know tiger, woods and I'm not trying to denigrate the mayor personally, but when it comes to blackness you knowing you are a black man, and that is how you going. Be perceived once upon a time. Dog Woods came across the somebody who didn't know any better. Yes I think that's an excellent important distinction. Just me, but Stephen and Michael throws you Michael. However. He got there. He got there, and and if you want to say, he's lost as we black men. That's your prerogative I'm saying I'm not saying that now. Being an American citizen who is observing what is happening. He made an oak case statement. That's technically okay on the surface, but his points of emphasis Grell me. That it has not either hasn't been thought through clearly, or if he has I don't like the way he thinks. It's it comes down to. It's a it's a question of eloquence. This is a question of eloquence and speaking, and this is what I was saying as far as coming out with statements, and this is how Varna. The third and I completely agree with this. It is so difficult as someone who is viewed publicly when you are angry and you WanNa, be tell people in your words that it's okay to lash out knowing that that is not necessarily the right thing to do at this time, so that's what there's a lot of. Of Times comes down to is you are asking people who feel anger and feel a wanting need to go i? Don't want to turn the other cheek anymore. I'm sick doing that. It's not okay. You're asking those people to go. We need you to come forward and say peace. We need peace at this time. We need discussion. We need to talk and it's hard to ask athletes to do things like that regardless of their stature in their sport. It doesn't what I'm saying is as an African American citizen of this country. How many times is enough and now you go to athletes and you say we need you to calm everyone down or our voice knowing that a lot of times what is underneath our voice is still that anger and disappointment and frustration. That's Michael Collins. Take today from I. Take I take your take on ESPN radio. The ESPN APP Siriusxm Channel Eighty Espn News. I'm Jason Fitz presented by progressive. Insurance as they're told you. We're going to spend the next couple of hours. Having some real honest conversations that are raw and open and we're going to listen. That's that's my objective. Here is to be incredibly real with some people that I consider to be close friends now. I understand that that's going to create a counter argument to that from some of the audience and I let that argument come through Kevin in Pennsylvania I. Expect this I know we're going to get it some so go ahead. What's your take on it? I I just I mean. I in part of this conversation, just yards. I mean I. Luckily I'm one of demographic who has been personally affected by this I know everybody should definitely raise awareness. But I mean I work in Pennsylvania or work at Harris Hospital in Pennsylvania, and and you know the line with everything. You have been be the floor. I worked for your and how? About a schism I prefer ESPN like trying to focus on scores I'm excited that sports are possibly coming back. and. It's almost like I'm being forced to be part of this conversation. I know that it's kind of bad to say, but it's in a way. To the SPN is supposed to Congress or conversation about sports. It's not really about sports. It's about the issue and I. Understand that everybody should definitely raise awareness for it, but at the same time whatever I'm trying to go home from work. I'm being stock and force being behind protesters that are right for my work on. the first street. And I can't go home nine, so it's almost like you know being forced to be part of this real like of this conversation and I just prefer to do my own thing. And just Kinda live my life and I know that's what everybody else is trying to do. But at the same time like I said luckily demographic that hasn't been. The hasn't been affected by this personally, and it's just one of those things are just don't want him in our station on force. Give what you get what you're saying. Stick sports is going to be part of this conversation for a lot of people. I understand that people will say stick to sports as a nature because that's why he came to espn and I am foremost. You're working in hospitals. Man Thanks, thanks for what you're doing. You're putting yourself at risk, and and that means the world and you know obviously that's been a big part of our conversation. Conversation as well and look if you listen to this show for more than two or three days. You know that's what we typically do I. Hope that over the course of the last couple of years. My work at ESPN that has been largely focused on sports gives me a little bit of wiggle room here on something that matters to me in while you said I understand, you know. Hey, this doesn't necessarily directly impact you. It does this impacts everybody, and at some point, if we can use whatever our collective voices to improve the situation I, think that's what we're obligated to do, and that's what I WANNA do today we're. We're joined now by Dominique Foxworth of the undefeated. Dominique is not only one of the smartest people that I know, but dominic also somebody I consider a friend so dominating. I've sat in the car and said the same exact thing. That the caller just said that there's an element of stick to sports and I. Want my escapism and I think my mind was blown couple of days ago. Frankly to be real talking to l., Dunkin and she said Hey. Escapism in another itself is a privileged. Many of us will never know so when you hear, people say you know stick to sports. They need the release. What is your retort to that? Yeah, I mean I. Don't have a retort honestly like they can have that opinion or or have that desire for us, but we don't have to listen. It's going to be uncomfortable for them, and it's going to be uncomfortable for us. I expect to criticize I'm not I'm. Not GonNa. Say like it necessarily but I'm not going to shy away from it, but it's not. I don't need to invent. Oh, feel like having to fight just to get an opportunity to speak about. It is somewhat a waste of time, and those are people who were going to have trouble reaching, and I'm not gonNA necessarily waste my time trying to convince him that the life that lives are important, but he said he works in hospital. All I understand he understands lines are important, and I understand that he probably of. Many people right now need a reprieve, but. It's the. Sixteen hundreds where there aren't options like there's lots of things can watch on TV or on streaming networks. He could read a book like there are plenty of things he can do to to get away can watch old sports. It's not like there's new sports talk about. If there's a sports story, it feels like the most outspoken and active people right now are athletes. Athletes so I don't understand how this is not sticking more like I I mean. I have empathy for people like that, but I wish that they had empathy for people like me well, and I think there's a power to what you were just talking about man like when you talk about sports, one of the things that really hits me when you go into. ME. I'm a raiders fan. Right like if I'm in a bar if I'm GonNa, Stadium and I'm watching the raiders game when the Raiders scored, there is no thought of WHO's next to me where they're from what their background is what they look like i. don't care like somebody's gotTa Raiders Shirt on I. I'm high five them at least in the old world right now we're all hugging. We're celebrating and so I think there's like this power mind and maybe I. Maybe I'm too altruistic, but if feels like the sports, community has already accepted diversity when we can find commonalities, so can't that be some sort of a launching pad to finding more commonality? I. Guess but I think the tough thing is. We tiptoe around the idea. Equality is going to require some five from The people who are benefiting from the the current structure, it's easy when you're in with the Raider Fan and someone scores a touchdown for you. That's good for him. We all feel better, but. For us to change a system that. Has Been structurally to the event of a group that they have enjoyed and I'm not naive enough to think that all white people are rich, are all white people have had an easy life like I understand that there's disparity there, but this national lie about the disproportionate nature and like the history don't lie the facts of the legislation that's been passed year after year and the person that takes place that has created this disparity like that that Israel so the idea that. There's going to be faced with the decision. So the raiders example is an interesting one because everyone who's GonNa defend writer sayings, but. At some point for real change to happen, they are going to need to sacrifice. They're going to need to put some skin in the game, and they're going to have to care, and they may not benefit from. It may not hurt them, but it may not benefit from it, and it's so hard like I just talked about. Everyone is inherently selfish. It is so hard to tell somebody being something because it's right and I know we all like to think we're good people, but this is like an opportunity to prove it being like good. Whatever that means like I think that means. Doing something that is helpful to other people, but is not to your benefit and making a sacrifice in that situation educated may not help you and I think we all have a obligated I think you are in some ways like living out that obligation by by doing shows like this right now. Because it may not benefit, you may turn off more of your listeners, then it will benefit, and I have the same feeling when I go on. Get up and and am. Aggressive about white people need needing to sacrifice or white people. Commit like I understand when I talk aggressively about team owners needing to do more like I. Know that they have a lot of power, and it may not benefit me in the long run, but I like maybe this is me some self-aggrandizement i. it makes me feel good, and I guess the same way sending out tweets make other people feel good and feel like they're having some impact I think they are having some impact, but I think that. That feeling is a is a nice one, and everyone likes to quote by or quote, Martin, Luther King when it serves their purposes, but there's plenty of stuff in there that would suggest in the Bible in the words of Dr King that Yes that the true measure of somebody is what they do for people who can't help them. Versus take your take on ESPN radio ESPN. News I'm Jason. Fitz talking to Dominic Foxworth Fox. We're brought to you by your neighborhood Sherwin Williams, so I'm going to be really blunt and open and honest here for the world like I grew up as some people may know with very little in a house. That wasn't particularly good and. One box Mac and cheese for the day for the family poor and didn't really have a Lotta means in a middle aged white guy. I hear white privilege, and that's a statement. That I just haven't known how to respond to for a long time because I didn't come from privileged means, so it's been missing associated in my head, and I think the awakening for me over the last couple of days I'm still trying to figure out how to better explain what it all means like. What would you say like how? How am I supposed to handle the conversation? where I don't feel like it came from privileged, but now I'm trying to understand that I do have it. Right I mean obviously absolutely did not come from a privileged and a family or financial situation, but I think L. explained it to. You already shit like their religious. You're afforded that you that we can never have I think that's one way to think about it was like. a black person can make enough money to get into the place that they need to get into or to do some of the things that they need to do, but they can never make enough money to not be treated like a second class citizen. In some ways they can never make enough money to to escape things. You can never have enough success that the issues impact. You and I think that's. That's one way I think you can go about. What it is they are like. Plenty of. I think things that are different, and there are assumptions made about you. That's a privilege. Their assumptions made about you. That aren't made about me necessarily. We walk into a room together. There's plenty of sumptious that are. That are going to be made. That would probably benefits before they benefit me especially in like look for those are I think. Privileges that people are talking about and L. is black woman I think. Woman is another dynamic that we just can't quite understand as a man. Their privileges that that I have that. Doesn't so I think that's the best way to explain it. Is there like some ingrained advantages and while not everyone every white person 'cause? in the best place right now or not. Every white person started and a perfect place are. Advantages or perks to just being a white dude, and I think they go without noticing or you go without You can go without notice because that's life I remember. This is probably a pretty bad example, but it'll. It'll get the point across I. Think Thirty Rock episode about like the handsome bubble. I think Jon Hamm where he was like a terrible doctor, but everybody's treated him so well, and it was just because he was so good looking and. I think that happens is like you think they are so smart. And you're so funny. Thing that happens to athlete, sometimes two or public figures where everyone laughs, a little harder jokes and do you think that you're so funny and you think that is because you're so great, or you make a lot of money and you're like. Oh, it's because I'm so smart. You don't necessarily recognize that there are other things that happened to benefits. Maybe those privileges don't leave you having a big house and a lot of money, but there are definitely privileges to being from for being born into the ruling class in this country. I'm GonNa Make Dominique stick with us for another segment. We're going to keep this conversation going. I've got more questions to ask him, and that's what we're doing here. If you're just tuning in I, take care. Take forever real open, honest conversation between two people that are friends, but need to have these conversations in a very real way for everybody I think it's important for the world right now I'm going to keep it going dominique. We're GONNA. 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It had to be said about it, Stephen they had the opportunity to speak yesterday and I think that's. That's an incredibly positive thing for everybody across the country to get to hear his words on it, but I have a lot I want to say on it, too. Because I have meaningful relationships that I've been leaning on over the course of the last few days in the last couple weeks, asking a different question than ever before, and that question is what am I not doing? What could I be doing because I've never hidden behind the fact that I am obviously a turned forty three and a couple of days I'm almost forty three year old, middle, aged white dude. What do I know of these struggles? Why does anyone want to hear my voice and I've used that as a reason to not have some of these conversations, admittedly I've used the reason of escapism, and what it means to me, combined with the fact that I don't feel like my voice can resonate to this as reasons to not talk about it, and that's changed in. In me and that's something that I'm willing to evolve off of because I think it's more important ever that we all be having these conversations, because everybody is different audience, and as we all have different audiences, and we can talk about how we can do better, and I don't mean just as a country I mean I. Think sometimes we look at you. Know everything from. From the top down, we look at it and say well. You know this government official needs to be better. This person of high power needs to better be better. I'm charging everybody that's listening right now to be better in your own personal circle. I think it's incredibly important to start. Demanding better from the people that are in your life demanded tone, change demand some level. Level of passion from the people directly in your life every single day to start to affect change instead of waiting for everybody else to do it now. I've been talking to Dominic Foxworth. from the undefeated. Obviously you see Fox UC dominic all over the entire network and I appreciate you coming back on. I wanted to have another tough conversation with you because realistically. Here both sides of it we hear about the awfulness of what police brutality is, and then all of a sudden we start to see right. It's everything comes and turns around, and it's like well the riots or negating everything that we were trying to accomplish on the other side of it. There's this weird moment here feels like understandably. The black community is not comfortable around. Around police and understandably at the same time you've got higher criminal rates from African. American so you've got police officers more on edge when they're around the black community I can't figure out for the life of me how to own spin. All of what's going on because it feels like when both sides are on edge. How can anybody come to any sort of a resolution? So I think. When these type of debates, it's a, it's a real test of if you think if you really believe in all created equal. That's something that we all say and it's. Trying are legal documents that founded this nation if you really believe that. then I think it's an easy conclusion to come to so like. black rates of Of Crime are or higher, their high rates of crime, and for black people, then for white people and. Cars rates for black men than white men I. Understand that so then you ask why. And it seems obvious to me if you believe that all men are created equal that you have to believe that there are some contextual forces from external forces that create that habit. Maybe, it's the. Those neighborhoods. Maybe it's the history of slavery Jim Crow redlining to impoverish those communities, and there is not a poor community in the world of any color that you can find that there are not higher rates of crime that is obvious. All of us would signed any way. We could to provide for our families if we were in that situation and all of us if we. Were put in communities. That had subpar Education and had very little means for opportunity like the where the opportunity is is where you're going to gravitate, it's It's it just seems obvious to me because the alternative is suggesting that there is some interior already about that race, if if there's no other contextual factors to explain it, and that's not something that any of us who live here would say that we believe so. I think that negate that argument altogether and the. I'm glad you brought up the the rioting because that's something that's been. Bothering me, honestly not the writing necessarily but I it's obviously not good, and I wish that it wasn't happening, but reaction to the riding upsets me because I feel so much like the Capri Nick thing all over again. Where it's like we're going to debate. Whether the way they're going about. It is right or wrong rather than address the issue and like. I'm sure there's there's some evidence out there that black lives matter protesters are not the ones writing and black people aren't the ones riding, but is also evidence that some people are. Frankly I don't care I think that that is the writing is assisted. A symptom and everyone's been running around Cherry. Picking these Dr King quotes, and that's one of them that I think pretend how the riots are the voice of the unhurt so to me, it feels like saying well. Kapernick is I. Just don't like the way he's doing it. Rather than saying he has the reason. Reason why he's doing. This is legitimate, and we should address that it feels to me like someone who's overweight looking in the mirror and yelling at the flab underneath their arm, as if that's the reason why and that's the problem. That's actually a symptom of the fact that a for whatever reasons they are in that situation. Maybe that's a bad analogy, but you get the point. Jason. Dominique, do you make a really? Interesting part of that point to me, is you know, go back to my my personal background like my brother served time in prison and. Had A troubled childhood. And what's funny to me is as he grew up every time there was some sort of a outbreak and you know every time there was some sort of episode. Everybody looked at it, and we went through all the family therapy, things and mental health issues, and all that like as we looked at everything, it was always well why what's causing it? Why is he doing all of these terrible things and And you look at it with the common goal of Hey, if we can figure out the why we can figure out how to solve this. Maybe we can save him I. Wonder if it blows my mind as we see, the riots were so busy worrying about the rise. We're not asking why an entire group of people feel like. This is the only way they can be heard, and that's a fair question to start asking. I mean it's it's misdirection and I think again it goes back to whether you believe that we're all equal and I I try to remind myself like I'm not I? It feels like when we have this conversations that I put myself on a on a pedestal and think that I'm better than other people and I'm telling you how to act no i. know these things. Things are believed these things because I. see them in myself also and like I see the selfishness, and the and the desire to to take care of myself. I see that in me and I know it's a human instinct so like I I'm not saying it's like I know better because I am better, I'm saying I know better because I am worse and. And we need other people to Except accept bad about themselves. Also I'm be conscious about the efforts. They can do to address it, so I mean back to the the the writing point like I feel like it's. It's human nature and. If, you are looking for escape, and every way everywhere you turn You're getting blocked by something, and you call out for help, and you're not getting a life line from the people who could help you. Then I'm not sure how else you're supposed to react. And I know that I have to like couch this and all the PC stuff of like I'm not condoning the riots and violence is never to answer, but it does straight me when people are able to coop the conversation and say well. They're doing it wrong. You're you're hurting because if we haven't been fighting this for four hundred years. How many years you have to? Withstand oppression before violence is the answer, and I everyone says violence is not the answer, but you don't have to look very deep in any of our history books to find situations where quite obviously we thought violence was dance. You don't have to to look very hard in the Bible. Or whatever religion that you follow to find examples where violence is dancer and I understand that it right now. It doesn't feel like there's a direct path between looting and rioting, and in fighting. There may not feel like there's a direct pass from that to a better way, but there hasn't been a direct past. Four hundred years like I am not going to go out and loot and riot I'm not going to encourage anybody to do that but I'm also not going to sit up here and and pretend like I don't understand. Pretend like if I felt that I had no hope if I felt like there was no other opportunity, and if I am I and maybe like I wouldn't be surprised, so I wouldn't I would feel old and again. Maybe this is me with another bad analogy, but I was a third round draft, pick and in Denver, and you're not Not Getting paid a whole lot I mean it's good money. But I ended up starting to bunch of games, and having some really good seasons in Denver, and I felt like they were like I was owed something and I went onto them sign of Baltimore where they paid me a lot of money. I hinder got into my second year and I really feel that much guilt because I felt like it was, it was owed to me although pardon me with hey. Hey! You're kind of stealing right now. Another part of me was like well. There were several years. Maybe it wasn't this team, but several years were being underpaid so again. I'm the king of these terrible analogies, but I'm trying to make it to make it more real than that bad to me. It's just frustrating because saying violence is not the answer, just fun, factually not true not that I'm saying if the answer now, but it's just a misdirection back. that it gets sidetracked to talk about all these other things and it's it's unfortunate and. It does feel like I talked about earlier on Lebatardshow about how? They're in like behavioral economics like. And maybe I should just. We don't need to go behavior economics. Just we all understand how. People's incentives. Happen like what motivates them like. It's either a carrot or stick. And I. Don't know how to entice people to do better. I don't know how entice people to fix the situation. So then you come to the stick, which in this case for me? At least it's like making people uncomfortable and reminding them that this is that this is a discomfort that a certain segment of society lives with all the time and I've been able to buy my way and my my family's way. Through out of. Some of the issues that face the black community or face, black people specifically in this country, but I can't buy my way out of all of them, and also I feel an obligation like because I know what's happening. I feel an obligation to do better and to help. People do better, but I don't It's my daughter her yelling one of my. My two girls and one boy I don't think she cares I'm over here trying to fix the world. She just gave an IPAD better run out. I care that you're trying to fix the world. Man and I appreciate you coming on with me. I appreciate you being willing to have these conversations with it means the world I genuinely thanks for coming on with thanks for joining us and thanks for the perspective. One last thing. I wanted to make this point before you get me out of here. Is Your asked about the first? The first segment you asked about white privilege and I gave you some examples, but I I've I like. Failed to point out the most obvious example and the most obvious assumption that thing that that was the catalyst to a lot of us wanting to talk about this now it's like the way that police view. entreat to you, and you don't have to go back very far to think about the people who are doing the open the country up demonstrations, assault rifles and Not Getting treated the same way that people are getting it now and us, not having videos of of white men getting. killed. We have plenty of videos of black men in recent history of cooking killed at the hands of police so. That's another example of white privilege and. sorry by Dominic. It's powerfully, said Man I. Appreciate you coming on this. We're going to keep these conversations. Go and we're going to switch over. Dominique is giving us a bunch of time which I really appreciate in a bunch of insight, but we're going to get insight next from a close friend of mine. That's highest level of professional athlete. 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Hour 1: Turkey Vulture

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Hour 1: Turkey Vulture

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As Jordan Peele opens seventy million dollars is now going to get whatever filmmaking opportunity he wants. And I love the choices that Keegan Michael key make he's really funny friends from college on Netflix. It's very good. But I can't start there because I need to show the audience what passes for show prep around here. So that's comes in here. And it this is how he says Hello to me. This is how he says. Hello to me arrive stumbling in smelling like last night, go. Yeah. Seconds before the start of the show. He greets us all with coughing. I'm tired, and then he puts a sausage finger on a piece of paper and says, hey pronounce this of Nadi of Nettie Noddy and adhere MO chimes in with. Pronounce it idiot. Guillermo, what got you so fired up this morning on this story? Oh, it's not this story. There's just a lot going on in the world today, Dan, and I just have energy, and at all I think stems from the bird the fruit of a window at Stephen as office, if I'm going to be completely honest with you I have been texting people in Bristol left. And right. I'm trying to get an update on this apparently Turkey Boulter this morning, flew through the window of an office in Bristol. And it happened to be Stephen a Smith's office. Now, guys, relax. It's all good. Stephen wasn't there. So he's safe. We don't have to worry about his safety. However, the bird I've heard is not as fortunate, and these are the updates that I've been told of what's going on with the Turkey vulture and Stephen as office hold on. Are you in newsgathering Mojo, please the big story today? Arguer mope but hold on. And I am very hesitant to just see the microphone to you. And tell you go head unspoiled the story, but there are many people listening right now that don't understand what you're talking about. And they're wondering Turkey buzzard, wait a minute. So explain plans of vaulter. It's fun. Yeah. So this morning apparently a bird. Look, I'm learning along with a lot of you. You know, I'm I'm checking in with some sources, I'm seeing what exactly is going on in the bristle campus. But from what I can gather the campuses that screeching halt right now. Everyone's on stand still trying to figure out what's going on with this Walter. So apparently vulture this morning Turkey vulture, flew through a window. The window happened to be the window that belonged to the office of Stephen a Smith in Bristol. He's not there. He's in New York. Now, what do you do when a bird flies through a window? I don't know because we watch all these compliance videos. This has never been covered in any of those videos. This is a new thing for the company maybe next year. Steven A does video about this. And what we do in. This instance now. The volts are still in the office. Apparently he was looking around trying to figure out what's going on. They can't get him out animal control came in. They said we cannot get that bird out of there with all the broken glass everywhere. So they have to remove the glass or they have to kinda just wait out the vulture and see what it is that they're going to do with this. I've also been told now this takes a sad turn told where like what time I can't remember my sources, what are you doing your reporting this during the show instead of doing your job your reporting? Oh, I think this is more important than the news of the day the job. Yeah. This is part of the gig since when did he become a news gather, you think I woke up this morning? And I wanted to be talking about this torquing, even as MS off. No, Stephen Smith could have been injured. Exactly. Thank goodness. He wasn't there that God for this story landed right on our laps. Could this have been an attack because for this bird? It's listen for it must have been had some speed, right. It's even hey tacked on Stephen guys, let's be on not a coincidence where that bird flu in xactly. No, we need to listen. But he must window. We need to be responsible. And not speculate the intentions of the birds before this investigation has been concluded. We don't want to jump any conclusions. Now, again, I don't want to be the one to report this. But I've been told the bird has lost a lot of blood. So we may not figure out the birds intentions here, but this is an ongoing situation. And I'll let you know if I have any more updates. We don't know how it is that the flu through the window. So that's why it's bleeding because it just flew through the windows are made of glass. Yeah. Glass cuts, and when you cut you bleed merge to Dan. And so what's happening all around the environment. Can we get a live report from the areas or anyone on the ground there? That we could talk to to just talk to people who are there. I and how do you prepare for this situation when you're ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports, and all of a sudden a Turkey vulture is trying to attack your biggest personality, clearly, obviously, I don't think that you have to be responsible about that gear. I think that we could go ahead and accuse this Turkey where newsgathers Dan, we have two full and fair we cannot speak for the intention of. It's okay. If the Turkey bird dies there. I said it now. Whoa. Whoa. Attack. Stephen a Smith that is the vengeance. That that you know. That's it. We don't know that this was an attack. Again, we can jump to that wasn't just a rogue birds though. I think someone sent the I come on equipment naive Bayless who would have saved want to say it. But there is who would have sent it. Kevin Durant will Cain. Was the bird armed? What I'm saying? If I were to pick someone on ESPN talent roster that is likely to be into falconry. It's whoa Cain. Wow. Good point. Let's think this is very responsible. Let's there about this in his home. And he had one of those gloves. Hold on. You're saying you're length. Let's think about this for second. You're talking about ESPN our history of ESPN. We have an update we have someone on the line the new team who's on the line. Who's on the line? Trey wingo trae perfect name for excellent burden. Ask for a better than analysts, Trey wingo. You're on the air. Oh, how are we or good trying to keep it together track? We're on the air trae. I know you're emotional note. Difficult time for everyone at the network. There seems to have been clearly an attack of Stephen Smith that was perpetrated by somebody. What information can you give us about what's happening on the premises? Well, basically what we're doing right now at ESPN campus is one of sue guts Lookie for your show where he always talked about an animal attacking him. This is sort of what's happening a Turkey vulture has flown into the office formerly held by one Stephen a Smith and has been stuck in that office because at office has a wall between the window and the actual office. So there's a Turkey vulture stuck between the the double play class window and the wall behind the double play class. And it's been a comedy of logistical errors at this point because security on the ESPN campus was waiting for animal control to get here animal control God here, and like I'm not going in there. There's too much glass we need to get the glass. Removal people here. So the glass removal people are here trying to take out the entire window. So the animal control person can now come back and see if they can rescue the Turkey vulture stuck between a glass breaking wall and a wall inside Stephen a fistful her office. Do you have any update on a potential motive here trae? Well, we're there was a report out there that we've shut down that it was a potential carrier pigeon set by James Dolan to attack. Steam, we don't think that is the case we may need to get one McGill on here to find out. Just how I mean. I don't know really how how dangerous Turkey vultures aren't they on large birds though? And I'm curious how I I'd like to know from running just how aggressive these people just conveyed. All right. Thank you trae. We appreciate onsite affording. My grind, please call Ron McGill. Immediately continuing coverage right Now, Dan, we go out to Mike Golic junior junior right guys via the mood is tense in here right now, our research, just burst into tears. Threw up before. It's it's a grisly scene out here right now. I I'm watching them trade just describe you guys try and take out the glass playing here. But I'm with you the motives behind. This are still really murky to me right now, I'm trying to figure out Stephen as known enemies this point and start to put together a list because I don't think this bird acted nice elation. Okay. Wow. That was a reckless accusation made by golick. Thank you for putting your name on it. It it feels a little irresponsible. Billy were flying by the seat of our pants on this live reporting as it happened. Well, feel free guys to call us back with any updates, but we are being a little bit reckless here. Okay. Thank you. My golick junior for the help from the same. Wow. Stephen seems really upset, but it's just because Connor retired. I don't think he knows about the bird yet. Okay. So Stevenage just on the set of I take seems way. Yeah. He's just upset because Conor McGregor. Cruise made more money in UFC Conor McGregor body. Right. So not everyone is Conor McGregor. The same way. This. Well, does he know? Does not know yet that there was an attack from a Turkey vulture? He had a brush at his office. Mike, you have Ron McGill on the line. No, okay. We widening scandal. Every as it's a developing news story. I'm being told by a source that they have not told Stephen a Smith yet. So he may find out along with the rest of us through social media, and I'm not knocking them. I'm just I'm not knocking you for. I'm saying you are an individual an expert in the sport of boxing who has chronicled how inactivity by champion. He's. Like, nobody is that a Turkey vulture tried to attack him. I cast I suggest someone calls them right now and tells them you don't want Steven learning, you know, at the same time, then everyone else learns about this. He deserves to know about this those or after is going to be out rig Stephen found out on social media guys. He's an official response from Stephen a Smith awhile. Good dam. Even a Turkey is that depressed from seeing that I'm gone from Bristol. Hope it doesn't harm himself prayer hands emoji. No, he thinks it's Turkey. Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Brian Bruno live on the scene of a recent windstorm here to describe the event a chest of drawers, there's a storm howling outside. So I thought I'd stay in and watch a com. Five minutes into the flick, a tree branch slams through the window. Where are you hurt? Just gotta scratch on my chest. Your chest of drawers can't help you in a windstorm. But the Geico insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage. Co gyco to see how affordable homeowners insurance can be done Libertad how much career does. Greg Cody have left just over three hours, very little and believe me, Stu gods? If my career were around of golf, I would say I have teed off on the eighteenth. Amend the famine the rough man in the room. Of teed off you got four or five shots. Well, six or seven. You're about to take a drop. Fit into this condo. Bounce the lake and I'm trying to find it. This is live our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. I just like to welcome everybody back now to win to wall. Coverage of what's going on in Bristol a Turkey vulture has flown into the office. Formerly held by Stephen a Smith. It is legend Lee stuck between a window and a wall on being told by a source at there is some concern now because the wall that the bird flu into on the other side of the wall is hanging. A giant painting of Stephen a Smith's face, which may or may not have been damaged in the alleged attack. What's becoming more clear? The more people. We talked to is that this is definitely foul play. This was an attack. Okay. I don't think we want to be a responsible. We need to be careful with that. Okay. We don't know who it is. That has you know made this attack. You don't want to just say, it's an attack. Although that is circumstantial evidence the bird could have seen. The portrait was an oil painting. The portrait of Stephen as face, and that might have been how he knew. Where to attack the materials used in the painting at this time, still remain unknown. Okay. Let's keep doing some research on that. We will go back to the ground in Bristol. Also, somebody who looks like a falcon ear Mike who looks like a falcon near you said. We'll came at work. Yeah. This guy will give you credible bird coverage, Adam Schefter with us now on ESPN radio. Adam what's happening there out in the field goal? Damn. Let's get straight to the point here. I do not exactly have a bird's eye view of the office that is now under attack. But this is a major major development in Bristol right now regarding Stephen as office, and we are trying to get to the bottom of this to find out who is the perpetrator whether the Turkey vulture will survive whether it'll be removed. He's our major issues today that he SPN has to deal with throughout the course of the day. Then we'll bring you live coverage. Now, I am not in Bristol. So I do not have the bird's eye view that I would like I am actually at the owners meetings, but I had various sore. Is there on the ESPN campus thinking grinding to get me? Whatever information they can. So I can call together the most comprehensive report and coverage for you guys and bring you the very latest on the attack of Stephen Smith office. All right. We were sort of ruined the helicopter affect that. We had working there. But thank you for calling us from the owners meetings and wasting your time with of. Can you tell me what any read is wearing? I've heard reports of a floral shirt he has a big red Hawaiian shirt on yesterday. And she got a similar one today. And listen, you're in Arizona. That's that's what he should be wearing is that all he has gave them put it on the poll. Thank you, Adam Schefter. Is that all he has put it on the poll at lebatardshow? Always does. Andy Reid have anything in his closet other than blowzy read Hawaiian shirt and just one of them. Right. No. I think he's got. I think doesn't. What do you have him being unclean? I just haven't any. I just I Billy any more information back there. One of your report saying you seem to be more informed than all of our news gather while things are coming fast and furious, Dan, I'm giving you the information as they get it right now. There hasn't been an update since the last update twenty four seconds ago. Okay. Very good. I'll come back to you in about twenty four seconds. And I will try then to get back off the ground. The original conversation that I was going to start with which was comedy duos. So of a picture of the painting if you'd like to see it, here's the pain. You kidding me? There's the painting, wait a minute. Here's picture of. What is the painting? Who got you that information sources here? I'm being told that the belief is that this painting is acrylic. So okay. And it it's just his face. It seems to be just his faith and it's slightly off centered. And he seems to be in a pensive motion. Majestic he's definitely thinking here. I'm just going to move this up to the camera. Sorry. This is the painting damaged it seems at this moment to be undamaged. However. It is on the floor. I don't know if that's a result of the bird hitting the wall and knocking it off the wall or can we have a conversation? Now, an honest conversation in these difficult times in Bristol about what we think of a person who has a painting of their own face in their office. I want to now this is not meant to disparage Stephen Smith in any way, I'm just wondering if I tell you nothing else about a person except that that person has an acrylic painting of their own faith and they're off allegedly acrylic. It's not confirmed to be acrylic. Yeah, I'm saying what what conclusions. Do you feel comfortable drawing as a judger? For example. We were all delighted I still don't know if this is true. There is no question. I want to ask Alex Rodriguez more than this. No question. I want to ask if anyone in sports more than this. Did you really have a painting in your home of half of you as a center and the other half of you as a rod? It's a it's a burning question. Yes. I wanted out. What does it say? It says that the person is an ego maniac. That's what it says. I don't know if we can jump to that conclusion I wanna someone painted the picture of Steven A and presented it to him as a gift. I believe that happened Mike Greenberg. Someone did that for my Greenberg. And it's hanging in his office. So an egomaniac donlevatar. I get many complaints about. Why do you cut Cody off so much? Why don't you? Let him talk more. He has no governor whatsoever for what others find interesting. It's just for what he finds interesting. And what he finds interesting is himself. Stugatz. I'm interested in people. So maybe people are interested in me. That's my governor governor VC's libertas show with his two guys on ESPN radio. So I really do want to do this history of ESPN who looks most like a falcon near somebody who would train a falcon to come and land on their arm. Mike, Ryan has minted it will Cain. I have submitted Adam Schefter do any of you guys. History of ESPN does Tom MEES give off history of ESPN that he might be someone who can tame a falcon, Tom Rinaldi. Everybody. Yeah. Rinaldi is a fine selection. If you're just joining us, the show is a little bit out of sorts where all little discombobulated by the clear attack on Stephen a Smith's, former office in Bristol, just so that you guys understand how it is that we value this person around here as the greatest of all time when it comes to the gas bags. It was this kind of commentary just yesterday, and you may have seen in the news that this kind of commentary motivated the Mets to finally stop with all the fuss. And and hey, they have now paid degrom. But they did not pay degrom until after the greatest of all time had done this on New York's airwaves, you got the nerve to be holding out on paying Jacob degrom. You've got the nerve to hold out all rewarding. This man has money his contract extension. If I would take up to crop. I tell you to kick rocks. I'd put my pull my pants down. Probably and moon you on purpose. I'm gonna say Jonathan it ain't the most popular thing in the world, figuratively speaking probably pass gas in the face of the Mets franchise if I were taking the grump, how dare you not pay this main who the hell you think you are. That really escalated. The grand pulled down his pants, and I felt like that was enough of it. Nope. Then to. Be gase as well. So again, let's let's just marvel this marvel at this. Okay. Because the Mets who don't have any money. They got they got everything stolen by made off the Mets dot everything. But a lot of what little money they have. They're still paying Bobby Baena. They just hired an agent that got his on the what is it called the van maggot the van wagon? They hired an agent Toronto van wagon to to be their general manager. It's just a mess. And Stephen a Smith reacting to the mess that is the met said this yesterday, and after he said all of a sudden the Mets had money again. And they gave it all to grump. You got the nerve to be holding out on paying Jacob degrom. You've got the nerve to hold out over awarding this man his money his contract extension. If I would take to calm, I tell you to kick rocks. I'd put my pull my pants down. Probably and moon you on purpose dummy. I'm gonna say Jonathan it ain't the most popular thing in the world, figuratively speaking probably pass gas in the face of the Mets franchise if I was taking the grumpy how dare you not pay this main who the hell you think you are. So now he signed. So if you didn't understand before that's just guys still in his prime, even though you guys keep coming after keep coming after on the internet because he slips and stumbles here and there. Grazed of all time you come after him when he doesn't know factor too. When we all know dare Johnson. And hunter Henry you had your day haters. Remember, it he'll get all the other days. Well, just yesterday that is what he did. Add today. I mean, there's a Turkey vulture flying through his office. Again. He's the story of the meant it could be the Mets who were unhappy. But who we who are chief culprits here in term it? Kevin durant? Gotta be high on the list. Now, Katie is on that list. He took out Gettleman and the giants management yesterday right before he went on that degrom rates. I was listening on my way home he was blasting them because they said how difficult it's going to be to watch out to help of junior play for the Cleveland Browns who could be the giants Aaron play Adam Schefter did will James Dolan. So it can be a lot of different people in New York. Skip bayless. It could be you think I think I think skips okay law suspects. So do you have any more information on this game of the reason? I need your help on it is because all Greg Cody has offered me is that he wants to talk about his haiku challenge that had two hundred participants who hundred and forty four Greg Cody is. Trying to record-setting number. Isn't it? Great is a record setting. Cody is trying to get the haiku back off the ground as a lost art form because he's always evolving. Greg Cody doesn't want to become a dinosaur hanging onto arts. No one any longer cares about who is the winner of your Miami Herald haiku challenging what has that person one? Yeah. First of all nothing says mania over the NCAA tournament and Branka tala g like, ancient Japanese short-form poetry. So every year. I have a haiku challenge. I've often said that. Yeah. Am I right? You are in this year in the the grand champion is Andrew s I'm not gonna use his last name because I haven't talked to him yet about how much he wants to our. He's the grand champion of your haiku champion and here he just put it on the poll. Do you know what a haiku is? Because I'm guessing again, this is an ancient an ancient form of poetry and the syllable count is what is it five seven five. Five seven, right. It's seventeen syllables. Ideally and five seven five parameter does not necessarily have to rhyme a lie sort of prefer rhyme. But anyway, the winning haiku is my brackets busting like zion's blue Nike shoe, Duke, the constant he'll. Well, I'm glad we built it up. And that was the payoff. Our congratulations. I mean, it's magic did that go up against another. I can tell you the runner up at least do. Please don't give us in that. Your grand jury grand champion read the top ten. I gotta I gotta hear the run. I have. Okay. The run around with my God run around was David R. David ours of among the two hundred and forty four record participants. What do they win? Do. We know what they don't yet. I'm going to clear it with Mike maybe have a meet and greet in the studio. But. Helping you with. We can. Has nothing to do with this. Serious lush contest without knowing the prize. Brad, you well, exactly no worse than that. Not knowing the price, but assuming he could give. We're yeah. We're gonna try that yourself donlevatar. My hair is unfashionably age. Inappropriate long, perhaps the longest it has been since college and may continue as such. I'm not sure why last vestiges of the. Of the extreme outer limits of midlife crisis to God's futile shield held wobbly against the encroachment of mortality, maybe the last stage, but before the onset of mister Rogers styles sweaters and the silent surrendering acknowledgement of official old aid. All truth. You always wrote you would be like one of America's greatest on DC donlevatar show with two gods on ESPN radio. So I'm walking to the bathroom, and Greg Cody is following me. And he is saying then I got the runner up in a couple of honorable mentions. If you wanna keep doing high coups, and as I'm walking back up just trying to get that off of me physically scrub it off of me, Stu gods hits me with a finger gun and Charley Steiner, Dan Falconer. Yep. That's my nominee. Put it on the pole Guillermo at lebatardshow who are the SPN. Most looks like they would be a falcon Falconer someone who could train falcons and bring them back to land on their arm. Is it will came? Is it Adam Schefter? Is it Tom Rinaldi? Is it Tom MEES? Or is it Charley Steiner because these are very, disparite Schefter and will Cain. You have being sort of a flamboyant. Falcon ear do you not allowed because generally Steiner's, just these grinder as a falcon Lia, right? It's not just good at it. But it's not because he's a showman. Right. Like schefter. We'll okay they look good with the falcon. You're right. I truly Steiner's just grinded it out. Great analysis by I think, we're being sexist here. Because when I look at doors Burke, I see her with with the big with big leather glove while. Yep. I also think Zubin Mahinda. Great one. My go ahead and put all those on the poll, please gear at lebatardshow. Are there any other women and the other women who looked like they might be falcon ears is is? I really wanna follow this wherever it is that it takes us. You know, why? Because it takes us away from Greg Cody haiku CHA. Some more sweet quality. Oh, I do quality coup on it. Bringing it back, and he really, so wait a minute. Hold on hold on. Because I I don't want to do this. We got a big breaking story, literally a breaking glass, Stephen Smith has been under attack. There's a Turkey vulture? I don't know what other information Billy's been calling everybody at ESPN to try and get to do more and more reporting on this. He's also what is that called? What is it? Call the FBI chart that you're now putting behind you to to turn into conspiracy. I think it's called the random picture registering chart. I think is the official end of the FBI uses. I have some more information. Now, the facts are coming in a little slower. Now, I don't know if there's a gag order. What's going on? But we have obtained exclusive images you see one right here. Where it appears as though they are now removing the window. Now, this is a second floor window. It seems to be from the pictures. I've seen earlier today directly above the campus store. So this is on the second floor above the campus store Onnaing. There's a ladder. There's two men on the ladder. They seem to be removing the w-. Window now. The Syracuse orange one of the people fixing this window is the Turkey vulture in any kind of pain as I previously reported there appear to be a lot of blood. I don't know. I mean, I'd assume there's pain involved if there's a lot of bloodshed, but I'm not one hundred percent. Sure. I haven't heard from the Turkey vulture? We haven't confirmed though, if the blood is coming from the vulture are we talking to win horse about animal control is back on the scene. I was just I was just informed animal control is back and so- jacked up and ready to go. So animal control is so jacked up and they're ready to go back on the seat. Okay. Thank you, Gary, please keep us updated. Anytime you need to break into the show to give us any kind of news updates. It's the president of the day. And like this is like the Super Bowl for animal control. Right. Like, if you get this call you're like, this is it this is why we do this is one of the sweeter assignments. 'cause you just get to go and wander around the campus, the Bristol cameras and be like, hey, there's Trey wingo. Duke, blue devil, making copies. All right. We will. We will have information as it develops. And in the interim, we've decided to tell you that we are trying to get the haiku back as an accepted popular modern art form. Greg Cody is trying to do this dedicating himself to the most modern of things he wants to get the haiku off the ground. He got two hundred forty four. Well, we don't know if it was different people, right? There might have been twelve people submitting ten well, I let people enter as many as five times. So if I had to guess, I would say it was probably around two hundred people because most did just one entry. I go a little lower than that. Yeah. All right. So two hundred forty four after how many months of challenge was a four day entry Tuesday through Friday announced the winter with Greek fanfare in my blog this morning, but the high Q market is hot right because that's up from my fifty list. Yeah. It's way up. It's it's just we're taking Iraq. Rocket prize will not be anything here. Okay. Just I over my dead vodka Danda. Actually, no, no, the price could be with us. You can't have a contest moved by ESPN, and it's legal department. This is something that's just run on your blog. Why do we have responsibility? It's the Miami Herald not us we sneak the winner in here. We haven't wearing a paper hat as if he's delivering lunch. Right. You know, he likes. Mike, and then he leaves logic. Greg day Cody day, I mean, I'll give them two free tickets to Greg Cody day at the Fort Myers baseball game. Copy on signed copy of my friends fifty books, maybe that you can get on Amazon just stop promising prices on the airplane. I wouldn't have been clear. He's the worst the worst. I this is not a joke. We're not fooling around. He just thinks he can give us away as a prize. He thinks he has that power. He's sort me because he's so good on Tuesday. I think I'm supporting because he's clearly changing the game as to how broadcasting is done. Yeah. You know that ratings skyrocket on Tuesday. You just don't want to admit with high coups. Cou so who's good coup? Thank yous you're runner up. Go ahead give you runner up because you've been dying to give you runner up here. And I don't wanna talk about this anymore. Look at it. I I really don't I wanted to read it because it's pretty terrible runner up. Rub. The Bilican dancing with the blue devil marching Dan school on Greg Cody on ESPN radio.

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Looking Ahead

"What's going on everybody? I'm Molly Karen rose. And you're listening to the first. Take podcast when it comes to home and auto insurance state farm is the real deal for starters. They fit seamlessly into Your Life. Easily manager coverage. Pay Your Bill and even file a claim with state farm mobile APP which was awarded Best Insurance Mobile APP. Twenty nineteen and they really get to know you. Thanks to a network of nineteen thousand agents. You'll have someone local to talk you through options that fit your personal needs when you want the real deal like a good neighbor state. Farm is there look. Who's here Mike? Greenberg joining us. Fresh off of get up always good to see you might brand. Max Kellerman Stephen a Smith guys. I come bearing good news. Greening you're well aware of this. You've been talking about it for two hours. We have an update on the return of sports. Let's get right into it. Here is the deal. Governors from New York Texas and California announced that professional sports could resume in their respective states in the near future. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is encouraging major sports teams in New York to plan on reopening without fans governor Gavin. Newsom said sports could resume without fans in California as soon as the first week of June governor. Greg Abbott also says pro sports without fans could resume in Texas at the end of May. Here's King James on the subject. No definitely not giving up on the season you know not only you know myself and my teammates legs organization. We WanNA WE WANNA play. There's a lot of players that I know. Personally that WANNA play as a fan myself. I know we all miss it and I I will be sitting here lineup. I say we don't. We all missed. The game of basketball. Manage is does so much. Well you seen right now with the last dance you've seen as I am. I up. How the game basketball just assembles. Everybody so hopefully this twenty twenty. Continue so good to hear from. King James. Max Don't want jinx anything but are you a little more optimistic now about the return knock wood. No look. Optimistic means not only hopeful but confident about the future. I'm hopeful I'm part of optimistic but I can't say I'm confident. Not about the return. I think sports will return specifically I think the NBA will return. But I don't know that they will be able to complete their seasons. I'm not confident about that the NBA. Maybe because the NBA seemed to get out ahead of it and take it realistically centralized locations and quarantining and if the tests become available enough and all that stuff and can play through the summer months when apparently where apparently the virus does not do as well because it's warm weather but if history is any indication people point to the Spanish flu pandemic that that affected the obviously the world depend but incl- that includes this country and people thought it went away in the summer and then it came back with a vengeance. It was much deadlier in fact when the weather turned cold in the in the fall again so I understand that testing is more widely available that the NFL has said. It does have contingency plans only do this. If testing is available they presume. The tasks will be more accurate and quicker in terms of the results that they can give saliva test blood tests in it and you can get the results very quickly. I understand that's the hope and people are forecasting that and that would be great based on our federal government's response to this so far. I don't have confidence going forward that they will get it together to the extent that they believe that they will based on the history of viruses mutate. The fact that the Spanish flu came back the fact that that will coincide with the cold weather for football. I don't know that they will be able to complete their season. So I'm the hopeful part of optimistic. I'm optimistic about the NBA but as it relates to Major League Baseball and the NFL. I'm still cynical. I'm confident and optimistic. And the reason is is because I'm not depending on the federal government. The fact of the matter is that there's too much at stake off. All hands are on deck not just nationally but globally and as a result of that you have to listen to the medical professionals Businesses. That obviously are doing everything. They can new ingratiate themselves in proceedings to make sure that we do what we can to proliferate than the available test Not to mention the fact that you weren't a mission of fodder vaccine The reality is that there's just too much at stake took to fail in this regard and I think everybody knows it and I have confidence and and I'm optimistic that this will ultimately get done. I can't pay attention to the rhetoric of politicians or whatever. I'm listening to the medical professionals and in terms of the sports leagues defended the minute. They said there are no fans in attendance than obviously. I'm incredibly confident that this will get done. Let's just make sure we understand what that means. Ladies and Gentlemen. Somebody's GonNa test positive for the corona virus. That's just that's just going to happen. In all likelihood that does not mean a sports league has to shut down because somebody tested positive for the corona virus the UFC of the Dana White showed us that when Sousa Rinaldo Souza tested positive for the corona virus Obviously he wasn't allowed to fight that night But the other eleven fights with the UFC tuned forty nine took place. And so you're gonNA look at that. People use that as a barometer to some degree to sort of gauge. What can and can't be couldn't be done and they're going to move forward here. You have thirty-six plus million people that are unemployed. Let's let's stop acting like we get gloss over that because there's the corona virus pandemic going on. You don't get to do that. There's no way on earth that society can continue to move forward on these conditions. Everybody knows that as a result it's GONNA be all hands on deck. They're going to prepare themselves for worst case in there. They are going to march on baseball is going to have some semblance of a season the NBA is going to have a playoff. The National Football League has been going on business as usual. And they're going to continue to do that no matter what anybody says. That's the reality of the situation. People need to get over it. Understand it engage in the new normal and move forward. That's what we're going to do. I agree it's even might grow quick. Yeah micro quick. I should have said skeptical. I said cynical. I'm not cynical about it. I'm hopeful but I'm skeptical about their ability to complete the seasons. That's fair because there was no certainty in all of this but I tend to lean towards where Stephen is on this. And I'll tell you why if there's one way to sort of encapsulate the reaction that all of us have to have as we move forward however best we can in our lives right now. It is what the answer to this question. How much risk are we willing to incur in order to seek out whatever goal? It is that we wish and when you look at professional sports they are comparatively speaking in an enviable situation. So many other business has been devastated and have almost no opportunity to return these businesses while devastated have the ability to return instantly if they're willing to incur the that is necessary now one fighter testing positive for. Ufc is not the same as a football player for exactly for example testing positive for a basketball player. As you see here because all of a sudden you have contact tracing if you on his test. Positive does that mean that. His team can't play a given game. There were this will require a level of flexibility that does far we have not been willing to have understandably so if the medical experts tell the league's you can have that flexibility that you do not have the shut everything down because one player test positive. Then I believe because of the incentive incentive is Max billions and billions of dollars that they will come back and they will find a way to complete everything they need to do what we just saw an example by the way when you say how much risk are we willing to take as a as a society for lack of a better word. It's interesting that the people being asked to take the risks or frontline workers and you can obviously make a parallel but they're not essential workers athletes though in our business. We kind of. There's no sports if they're not there. And the liable and by the way the owners of all these leagues reap the largest rewards and yet as we see is the case in big business throughout the history of businesses the nature of business to make money. They don't WanNa take liability and so players are being asked to sign waivers. Hey if I get. What are you talking about? Wait a minute so the players should take the risk and the and the owners have no liability. It's just interesting the way this word risk gets thrown around. Who's taking the risk? And is that risk shared among everybody? Oh while Max Kellerman You know what I just WanNa stop the presses that I WANNA make sure that. I'm clear because obviously you're saying that it's not fair that billionaires get to expose themselves to less risk than the regular Joe in society welcome to America. Unfortunately we've been lamenting that as black people for decades if not centuries okay with it's understood that unfortunately everything in life is it fair but let me tell you something right now we all. We've we've seen the number of reports where black people obviously be. Disproportionately affected by this other. Minorities are being disproportionately affected by this. Obviously service workers. And what have you folks live in an apartment? As opposed to homes clustered together. Those kind of things definitely have a detrimental effect but there was also a white woman that was on television in Texas. That was thrown in jail for a week for ignoring the order. Why because the small business the dollars that she was going to get to help us small business she couldn't get it and she couldn't feed her children and the judge said you ignore the order. I'm going to throw you in jail for a week. It's not listen. Minorities are being disproportionately affected. We know that. But everybody's being affected. But we're not one monolithic group. Unfortunately some people are more desperate than others. Some people need more than others. Some people can afford to miss out once again. Check walking dungeons and salary and things of that nature but not others and writes the reality once again down once again that comes down to what the role of government is Steven A. Probably not a topic for this show necessarily but since we're on the subject argument can should be made. It's the winning argument. In fact that if there's a high risk to workers who don't have who are there for unemployment can't feed their families that they should be receiving checks to assist them they take as paid into and who's and the owners are desperate to players and the owners are desperate to play then especially this is their business. Then players should not be forced to sign. Waivers greedy greedy. I religiously say this Max. He's not wrong in terms of what should be. But what's the reality? The reality is is that the people that have missed out on their checks they have not been taken care of by the government like. They said they thought they were going to be. It hasn't happened. There's no surprise here you're talking about what should be. I completely agree with you but you know damn well. It's not going to happen now. What go ahead green I could have. I'm as entertained by as anyone else's by listening to the truth guys going back and forth on this to be honest with you. I would just go back to the first thing I said. Which is that sports comparatively speaking. Max An enviable situation. Because they can come back immediately and of course there are risks to be taken here and they are always taken by the people and the least advantageous positions but the professional athletes will be far better taking care of than most people out. There are being forced to work through all of this so all things considered. I don't think pro sports have nearly as bad as a lot of other people do and again I'll say it again. Billions of dollars at stake. If they can find a way to do this. They will lie. Greenberg appreciate you as always we will see you on get up. Geico has the insurance industry leading APP. That lets you manage your policy anytime anywhere. Which means that. Geico is always there for you. If only everyone was always there for you like animal control when you're cornered in your garage by me again you guys said you would be here about origo and I think the positive is starting to get angry. I listened I thought if I fed it would go away but now it is ripping in the drywall and making some sort of nest. Just call me back. Always there for you with savings in the industry leading mobile APP. It is no secret that they're only four minority head coaches and to minority in the National Football League sport that is predominantly African American. Well the NFL taking action. The Rooney role will now be amended first reported by the NFL network and confirmed here by ESPN will require teams to interview. At least two minority external candidates for head coach openings. At least one minority candidate must be interviewed for coordinator. Positions source confirmed. Dan Graziano Monday. The changes will be discussed today in a virtual league meeting. But do not require a vote. Stephen I WANNA start with you here. Point blank has the Rooney Rule Bene- failure. Yes it has been I think the Fritz Pollard. Alliance would would would definitely cosign that. Obviously they're committed to helping minorities Gained significant positions in the national football league. They would highlight that. It's been a failure and I think the numbers. The fact showed that it's been a failure of but more importantly the owners themselves have made it a failure because of how the process has been circumvented They have granted gratuitous interviews to African Americans or have called for that knowing that they had no intention whatsoever of hiring a particular African American candidate. They have interviewed African American candidates in the past knowing that they already made this election. There was somebody that wasn't of African American descent. So you know you're inviting them into a room knowing that they have no chance whatsoever is basically light just treating somebody out to dinner and basic basically your is and crossing your say that we went through that process and is abysmal to to say the least Offensive coordinators that need to be more. There's only two in the national football league environment left. Which and Eric Enemy. We noted every enemy deep definitely deserved a job that I ask the rhetorical question. Maximum Molly should eric be enemy. Coaching column in Arizona. Should it be cliff? Kingsborough who was at Texas Tech was just five games over five hundred. Didn't have a winning record. His last three years and basically did nothing to earn a head coaching job in the National Football League. We see time and time again. With circumstances have taken place where African Americans are. Short changed their placated to some degree and the needs to stop. And as far as I'm concerned the first order of business is highlighting. The Rooney rule has indeed Bene- failure which is why I said that although I don't support the specifics of what a few. Nfl owners had proposed to others just the other day before it was voted on yesterday. I don't I don't. I'm not a proponent of specifics in terms of moving up in the draft or anything like that I think that's a disaster for an African American. Get A head coaching job onto those conditions. I do love the car. I do. Love the fact that the conversation it provoked a conversation rather because the conversation needs to be had. Clearly what you're saying is you don't mind black men in the locker room as laborers performing for you on the field of play but when it comes to being leaders of men or dare. I say leaders of an organization. It's few and far between which. Why guys like Lebron James and others said they refuse to shut up and dribble and why? Nba players continuously. Push to have more power to empower themselves because to do otherwise would mean putting their trust in ownership and clearly. Nfl owners show. They can't be trusted when it comes to valuing African Americans in leadership positions. They clearly don't feel that way and something needs to be done to bring attention to it so again. The Rooney rule has been a failure. I don't think it's fair to call the Rooney rule of failure because the Rooney rule was never designed to be a magic elixir. You know it's not a panacea for racism. The like what's the answer to the question. Why are so called minority coaches people of Color so underrepresented in the head coaching positions in the NFL? And the answer is the broad answer is stem racism right and look at thirty two billionaire. Owners GonNa go out on a limb and say that some of them have racial biases. And then I'll go further out on a limb and say some of them are unaware of their racial bias is but they exist nonetheless. You can say that about most of us. In fact it's part of being a human being and some of them probably are not unaware of their racial biases and the question is how do we have the coaching positions leadership position position of authority high paying jobs? Better reflect the population as it were of the NFL itself the demographic breakdown of the NFL itself more closely resemble it because right. Now there's there's no there's an exact like negative correlation it's the opposite of the demographic composition of the NFL. Well one way is something like a Rooney rule in quotas and quotas systems usually breed resentment because when it comes down to individual cases. You've got to check this box. Come on I gotTa Cross t stop this. I I already know I wanNA hire happens not to be black. I have to bring in a an African American candidate just to satisfy stand why that breeds resentment it also probably has in conjunction with some with other a devices would have a good effect but if you simply have rooney rule and not a better system to put talent in the pipeline. It's not GonNa do it. Obviously the Rooney rule by itself is not going to work unless there are other changes made and what I believe. The lack of diversity among head coaches in the national football league at least racial diversity that that really has as much to do with that is not a reflection of the failure of of the. Rooney rule rather it's the reflection of not enough support around the Rooney rule not enough. The Rooney rule is one tool. Where are the others and so? I think it's unfair to say. That rule has failed in the absence of of stuff. That would help. Make It work his disagree with you? Max and I appreciate your position and I I. I shouldn't say I disagree with you because I don't disagree with anything that you're saying what I would ask you to consider Max however is this when the Rooney rule was instituted in two thousand and three. Do you know what was was. I guess taken for granted to some degree that this is what I call it a failure Max. Essentially what you're asking owners to do is okay. If you have an opening having open mind about who you want to hire and then you bring them in and make your decision after their they. We've seen a litany of instances Max where they've made the decision before you even broaden the minority candidate for the interview. So what I'm saying is if Max if I'm in viewing Max Kellerman for job and I already have decided who the job is going to before I've even called you all before. Live interview Jew. That is complete violation of what the intent of the rule was supposed to be. I don't understand you. Go ahead of the rule this what it seemed to me okay. Usually people do have an idea who they wanna hire before they start. Very seldom is an opening open hiring process. They have a pretty good idea who they want to target. I think the attention of the Rooney rule the positive effect could be to get African American. Like let's let's not mince words. That's really what we're talking about candidates in front of owners because it is an old boys network so you get those candidates in front of owners. They may not get that job. But now they're among the face that the owners know and might consider for fuel eight events but wait a minute. Max rewind the clock to two thousand and three and even African American coaches were saying that that particular moment at Tom we understand. It might be a challenge but having open mind when you bring us in so we know we have a shot. If you know you've already hired somebody even if it's not official Max because you know this you so you've been watching the NFL for years. You noted plenty of instances where the owner had already decided coup. The coach was going to be so much. So that the insiders the Adam. Schefters the Chris. More incentives the J. Glazes of the word and others literally report it. This guy is getting the job but still after you had an interview with the african-american the candidate to make sure that you too is. Of course teams. You had African American coaches sand. Excuse me if you're going to invite us into the process okay. It leaves have an open mind. We notice a favorite. We notice a leading candidate. But give us an opportunity to make a case before you've made your decision and these owners couldn't even grant that that's why I say. The rule is a failure because there's been nothing to address the ability to bypass that process. And that's the problem right. Let's leave it there guys. They're also going to be voting on a plant essentially incentivize teams to hire minorities and they would be rewarded with draft picks. We'll discuss that as well. We're going to bring in another voice. I want to continue this conversation the NFL PA's executive member. Sam Acho will be with us and if owners will meet virtually today and they are expected to amend the rule to require more interviews of minority candidates for coaching positions. Yesterday Anthony. Lynn and Hugh Jackson weighed in on one of the League's proposals to attach a draft pick incentives to minority hires. Take listen do the do the wrong thing trying to do the right thing that makes sense at all so I think that there are a lot of twelve five African American coaches right now. That could be a head coach in Lee and expect. This is out of desperation. This is something that we're throwing out there. I believe this is somewhat of a system problem. You can't put a band aid on it and think it will get fixed. I think this is bigger than just the owners I think this issue is a byproduct of the history of the League. Personally all right a lot to unpack here on that note we welcome in Sam Acho from the NFL PA Executive Committee. Sam Great to have you with US first of all. I hope you and your family are safe and you so much for the time this morning a lot. We want to tackle here. I want to start with the expansion of the Rooney rule which will happen. How much of an impact? Sam Do you think this will actually have on the current situation? I think the expansion of the of the Rooney rule had very minimal impact. I think the problem that I'm seeing with the NFL is that they like making minor changes. That are really insignificant. You go back to the history of the Rooney rule in two thousand and three that was implemented in three years later you at two black coaches coaching in the Super Bowl. I don't know if anyone really understands. How statistically significant that if there's less than a four percent chance that you could have two black coaches in the NFL. Coaching in the Super Bowl. So you saw a huge upswing bear. He saw a major benefit will fast forward seventeen years. Later there's three black coaches currently right now in the NFL head coaches. That's a problem and there have been minor iterations to the rules. So if you keep on making these minor innovations. You're not going to see major change. I need to be there. Needs to be a major up up keevil of the entire system. That's interesting you talk about to black coaches three years later and then all these years later only three black coaches is that are you implying that that's the result of owners or GM's learning to game the system. In other words it was working early on and then they adapted and figured out a way around it. I'm not I'm not implying saying I'm saying that there's there's an opportunity problem. Everyone talks about this being a diversity problem. It's not. There's an opportunity problem in that. Same problem exists in corporate America. The interesting thing about about where we're at now is that it took a pandemic a global pandemic to be able to get a chance just to see what corporate America and the NFL. Looks like you saw people who are in the working class. I'll use this as an example. Seventy to eighty percent African American who are workers. And you've got the general managers and coaches are predominantly white. Three out of the last twenty hires head coaches have been white. That's an issue and you talk about this being an offensive league you talk about being a trend towards offensive coordinators being promoted. Here's the issue with that and and that may be true airbnb office coordinator top in the League. He's not a head coach Bar left which offense coordinator top in the League African American as well. He's not a head coach. And so yes. The system is being circumvented but the issue behind it is an issue of cronyism is really what it is. You've got hired. You got coaches and general managers hiring people who look like them and that's an issue. That's the problem. You're not hiring the best candidate your candidate. You're most comfortable with absolutely SAM. Appreciate you being on the show you don't have to worry about the NFL. You don't have to worry about a committee. It's your decision as to how we can modify this Rooney rule to work effectively. What exactly would you propose out proposed to major changes. I wouldn't even consider the incentive the draft picks would I would propose I would propose a change in the entry level positioning of coaches so for example. Most seems to have two to four quality control coaches. I wouldn't mandate that. Two of those are half two of the four R. Minority Coaches Number One and number two out of medicine of having at least not only are increasing the number of coaches who are interviewed for head coach. Gm jobs but you need to have a minimum percentage call it thirty percent of coaches that get a chance to have this opportunity to be a head coach in the NFL. I think that unless you see massive changes you're not gonNA make any kind of providence in so number one. I would have entry level positions available for minority coaches whether it's interviews or even just having opportunity to get in front of a coach but also you need to be able to have an opportunity to be in the NFL NBA coach. Have that job. Because let's get you get you get you get the job. You work away happy ladder and hopefully get the opportunity and then at a higher level you also need to be able to be a head coach in the NFL. If you're minority San Sam. What are your thoughts about my suggesting that there needs to be some kind of objective criteria? That's put in place where you have to have for example you need to be you need to be a coordinator before you become a head coach. I don't care whether it's special. Teams offense defense. Whatever the case may be in other words. You've got to crawl before you walk. You can't go to junior high school. Let you complete elementary school. You can't go to high school in unless you complete junior high school. It amazes me that there have been some coaches that have been allowed to bypass leapfrog over so many other guys despite being devoid of the qualifications necessary. Shouldn't there be something along those lines included in that mix the Stephen A. Even if there was something along those lines that still wouldn't solve our opportunity issued. I wouldn't solve our problem of France hiring France at the end of the day. Steven you're great at your job. You are great at your job. One of the best based on all the statistics at your job. All you ask for was an opportunity. That's all you ask for all these coats. They're not. We're not asking for specific criteria. Because unlike clair's you can measure players based on their sats. Their forty yard dash number of sacks tackles. You can't really measure that for coaches and so even if there was a specific pipeline to matches point a little bit. There would be wasted circumvent and so. I'm going to ask him for that. I'm asking for minimum percentage of new hires especially when it comes from the bottom up quality control to be people of color to be minorities to be women. That's all I'm asking for. I'm not asking you change sweeping changes. But we've got to get somewhere and I think that's a start expression you know you have to be twice as good right to get the to get to the same place. If you're African American have color line ninety. What's that right? I look at the baseball twice. Forty seven Yep Yep exactly nineteen forty seven Jackie Robinson Larry Doby and the national and American Leagues. The difference in baseball is they're calling from the Negro Leagues like an almost all star level players in the NFL. Because it's more subjective. And because they're insulated from real business pressures because you can't lose money as an owner. It's not as though only the best coaches are getting jobs. It's coaches that. It's dependent upon relationships. It dependent upon. Who's going to take the salary etc? How do you address that? How do you address isn't that isn't that? Would go a long way toward making sure. The best coaches got hired. Right if you somehow incentivized teams to hire based on ability. Here's here's the issue Max teams owners especially. Nfl owners should be incentivized to win. Games African Americans whether you're coach or a player minorities in general. We'll help you win. Games look at statistics. Let's go back. Everyone's been watching the last dance. M J M J changed the culture of Basketball African Americans look at Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods changed the culture of Golf. Let's talk about the Williams sisters Venus and Serena they changed the culture of tenants. And so my plea my ask my goal for any. Nfl owners that. If you want to have a winning franchise and a winning team increase your opportunity to win by adding minority candidates. They're only gonNA make game better. That's all they're going to do. There's nothing to be afraid up. There's nothing to fear. The only goal is to win. And that's your goal. Then you should be available and willing and excited about interviewing and adding minority coaches and people of Color Sam. That's an excellent point. You made with all those examples and in all the various sports. I want you to elaborate on something you said earlier. The incentives with draft picks. Because personally and I'm not black. It doesn't sit right with me and I understand that they're trying to do the right thing here. But there's just something that feels very wrong about it. Please tell me why you think that is not the right move. Her Molly Molly incentivize. You can't incentivize someone to do what they want to do. Because even if they do it for a time before season eventually ask me see now with the Rooney rule. It's going to go back to the way it always was and so if you said about someone you give them six draft picks African American coach. You give them ten draft picks higher for African American General Manager. Maybe a year or two or three like we saw with the won't thousand three. You'll see a slight influx in in African American coaches. But the problem is not gonNA last couple of years ago. Was It last year? Five out of the eight coaches fired where African Americans and you know who was hired. They weren't African Americans. And so the issue once again. It goes back to two. Nfl owners hiring general managers. Who Look like them. General Managers Hi- hiring coaches who look like them or who are who are friends with them who they owed something to. I've been the NFL for nine years one of my tenth year in the NFL. I don't know how many bad coaches I've been around bad coaches. The only guys have jobs. It's because they were friends with different coach. Not only have I seen this. I've been asked to give a coaching job. Hey give put in a good word for me during your exit interview even though even though I know this coach isn't the best qualified guy but he knows the guy who knows who knows the guy. That's that's that's the issue and the only reason that that this that this I call it. Call it nepotism cronyism. Call it what you want. The only reason that this is an issue is that the people in position of power all look one way they all look. Let's go back to Tony Dungy for a quick example Steven it Real Quick Tony. Dungy thousand six hundred sixty one. A Super Bowl right. Who did he play? Who Coach against Costa Against Costa gets? Go bears lovey. Smith love gave his first job in the NFL. In one thousand nine hundred seventy that it was totally deadly so this whole lot of cronyism. Is it really that bad of an idea I understand? You can't measure statistics based off of coaching. It's like a lot of wins. But you have more talent. It's based on what you're comfortable with the more African American coaches or or minority coaches better. Yet you haven't positions of power the more equal you'll see our game become well also we got a point two two two white folks in the NFL. Being a bit more conscientious. Look at what Matt Leflore is doing in Green Bay with his minority program. I gotta give him props for that. Which I did a couple of weeks ago but I will ask you this and I'll close this out with this last question the fact that we're sitting here in the year twenty twenty and having this conversation about the National Football League. What does that say to you about the league? What does that say to you about these owners today? The interesting thing about this conversation Stephen. A. Zach this conversation was sparked and these changes started to happen because the draft was nationally televised because of a global pandemic. We got a chance to see that glass ceiling that everyone talks about corporate America. We got a chance to see it. The interesting thing is if we didn't get a chance to see this glass ceiling we wouldn't be having these conversations. African American coaches would still be sitting in their same seats hoping for Change Women in the coaching. Ranks would still be hoping for change and not getting a chain so. I'm actually glad that this pandemic caused us to get a chance to view. What a lot of African Americans or women or any minority has been experiencing for a long long time. Got a chance to it with our eyes and now all of America chance to see it and so I'm actually excited that these changes are being issues. Thirty donor not enough. It's not enough so let's VM's in their. Sam Max to that comment real quick. There's thirty one wider owners. We talked about wanting to diversity and ownership. They're all these criteria which are great to be an owner. But here's here's another criteria yet to be voted and approved to be an owner so if there are thirty one white owners really thirty yacht con in Jacksonville. If there's thirty wide owners imagine owner a woman who wants to own a team or person of color and yes. There are six women who own teams based off of a statistics. White women who teams. But if you want to have a woman or a person of color only team it's not gonNA happen because he's thirty wide owners aren't going to vote them it just what it is. They don't look comfortable with Sam. We got to let you go. I'd have to say it's unfortunate and frankly embarrassing that we still have to have this conversation in twenty twenty but I appreciate you still fighting the good fight being here with us today and being such a representative voice. Thank you so much for the time and hope to talk to you in the near future. This really was an excellent interview.

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"Wow. A day later even a day later that is still else in deemed, everybody that is still rattling around what magic did yesterday key. It's it's all anybody was talking about there is a game last night. Obviously Porton get swept by Golden State, but the NBA world, at least right up until tip off was just all magic all rob all Lakers and very, very little of a good yesterday. It was a basically an impromptu press conference with Stephen who'll be on with this at six fifteen this morning, the aftermath of his interview. Imagine Johnson, but then you had the Frank Vogel press conference so within a what would it be a three hour time period? I would say, yeah. Four hour period, you had the Magic Johnson. He had the introduction press conference in between. The only thing you can think of is what magic said and waiting to see the response of the Lakers, what they could potentially. Say and then you get the Frank Vogel press conference with rob Pelinka sitting on the side. Then he had to say it wasn't a Frank Vogel press conference, or was that a rob linka press conference. I know that it was designed as a Frank Vogel press conference, but it shouldn't feel like one, turn in it turned into something totally different. How long did it take for them to fire off the first question 'cause I missed it not long not long. I handed it. I said seven minutes yesterday when I left, Jim hill had the first question. Yes. How deep was it into the press conference three minutes into the conference? Very questioners Justin. Yeah. They got they got. They got a new coach. But what they did you. More or less. That's what it is. There's a million different things to kind of get into dissect about what's going on with the Lakers right now. There's Magic's comments yesterday, there's Rob's reaction to them. There's a leadership vacuum in the Lakers. Arguably, I think the genie certainly kind of skated through this thing without a whole lot of criticism for the most part. So we'll get to all of that, as you mentioned key Stephen, as coming up in just a little bit more than ten minutes. So we'll get his thoughts on what happened yesterday as well. But we'll start right here for the fifth consecutive year. The Golden State Warriors are into the NBA finals five times in a row, as team since the Celtics in the sixties. I mean, we're talking about some really rarefied air that the warriors are in like fifteen black do's and a whole league eight teams back. The with this way, there were guys that look like me playing the league back this six, slow white guy. Everyone else had a chance to do it. But only the Celtics did it. The first black player I have a black coat. We were headed the curve, that's fine. You're head of the curve. The league was made a guys like me that's the last time that something like this happened. I know in when you look at Golden State, did you? I mean, I know UNLV kind of for whatever reason. The guy that used to be here that chairs cobwebs on. This year we should do that. Go to Hala weaned store. Get the cobwebs. Around good bit. You, you guys said, hey, they're going to he said seven, you said, six I thought it would end in five ended in four with a sweep Steph curry drain mongering. Klay Thompson defense aside. He didn't shoot the ball, particularly well last night when they needed him to, but you got a lot of help from the bench. They went all the way down. I wanna say they wanna tend him probably ten deep at the bench. Yeah. In terms of players that they were rotating in and out at various times throughout the game giving a minutes in those minutes where obviously severe to, to the calls of them winning the game in Portland losing the game. Thaw Daimler played his best he could. But the and McCollum pad night shooting the ball, they couldn't make specically. I mean at the Europe gun is too deep now that you can do he. They won the game last night, Golden State did with Alphonso McKinney and Jordan bell in the starting lineup. I mean regular. Didn't play last night. We know Kevin Durant hasn't played in a while. They won a closeout game on the road with Jordan bell Affonso McKinney playing real minutes, playing important minutes, hitting shots, by the way, not just out there filling space. I mean it did feel at times like it was Klay. Steph and Draymond going three on five at least offensively. But the warriors, I'm telling you, I said it before the finals have already been played it hasn't they haven't gotten their rings confetti hasn't come down yet. The finals were played when they beat the rockets, the rockets were the only team I think that is going to scare them. Portland wasn't scared. I don't think Milwaukee's gonna scare them. I don't think Toronto's goes they might get a game or two here there. But you look at what they can do when they're fully engaged when they're not bored with what's going on? There's nobody that can hang with these guys. Yeah. In in. That is true coming out of the east. Oh, I just think there's a couple. You don't wanna Lakers play the Sixers back in a day. You just felt legs go in. I mean, they got Iverson, okay. They're going to win or when New Jersey was playing in the championship coming out of Indiana. You just knew. Yeah, this is a little feels a little bit different. Feels closer to, you know, not closer just. It just feels different because I think, with Milwaukee comes out of it Jaanus is just such a presence on the court even though he struggled to last time out or time before that. He's just one of those guys are so unique. It's like what does go to state having Nassar for on defense inside of the ball for him? They don't really, they don't have co I won that slowed Jaanus down so far in this series. And quiet is unique guy. There's not a lot of guys that can do what he's doing, but, but I think goes stay run away with it anyway, because they don't have anybody that's going to be able to do anything with them. But at least you got I think it'll be interesting because of the situation, it'll make it'll make good TV and Draymond has had some sort of time, machine factor going on the dream on looks like Draymond looked a couple of years ago member. It wasn't just this season. It was this season. And last season were on shot seem to Joe away, where his ballet wells energy drain on was great last I right. Watch the game. Yeah. Of course. Try Bob scared to shoot them threes and get the ball. Like. Yeah. Knocked him down. He hit a company one. The one. He had a couple, but it was some way that whole team was underneath the basket just waiting for the rebound. He would bull forty three minutes, eighteen points, fourteen rebounds, eleven assists, three steals, and two blocks. I mean he was everywhere is the first time two teammates. Added in a playoff game. Yes. And I think he have four Tyke fouls too. He did he know he have four titles early. And I was like, oh God, he's gonna get Gil mess around and get kicked is like in Vegas. We can Steffes the guy that's knocking down shots. Steph sky that had thirty seven last night. He averaged thirty six and a half in the series. I mean just he's, he's away, though, full Steph, he's easy stuff right now, but the ball from half court and it's a good shot and rain right to the bottom of the it's, he's, he's in that mode, where he wasn't as back-back back MVP seasons where the second, he comes across the half court line. You better have him, you better at least to defend him. So do they need Katie? It's the weirdest question. I think it's one of the more fascinating questions. I think that the, the answer is no. Yes, they're better with him key. They're, they're, obviously better with the best doing the need him to win a championship. I don't think they win it all without him. You don't think so you don't think they'll be Milwaukee or Toronto without Kevin Durant. I don't think they just I know they wax Portland and they wrote through Houston. I got it, but I just think that eventually, that could catch up to you. If you ain't got top dog on the court, the other good part about it for Golden State is to they're going to be sitting at home getting right for the better part of a week. They don't he'll get healthy he'll, he'll get healthy. But whatever tread on the tires that they wore off in this series with Steph and clay, enduring on plane heavy minutes, and they've been playing I mean they're short handed on Rego dollar will be back to they're going to be rest through the Eastern Conference finals feels like that's going to be a six or seven game series that, that thing could go down to the wire. They're going to beat the, you know what out of each other. They're gonna come in tired. The warriors are going to be sitting there. Fresh in waiting for them. This one feels like it's already over and I don't think they need Katie to win it there. They're obviously the odds go through the roof with him. But even without him. I think they're the favor. I think they think they're going to still be favors the, they're going to struggle without him on the court at times, and it's going to be closer without him on the court and what most people realize. All right, Stephen Smith, who was with Magic Johnson yesterday. Blew up the NBA world. We will talk with Stephen A coming up in three minutes. Stephen a Smith coming up in just about a minute or so. So we'll talk to Steven A and I it's remarkable key how the reverberations the took place yesterday after Stephen did that interview with magic yesterday. I mean it just was everywhere instantly. It's the power of Stephen A. It's the power Magic Johnson since shock waves to the sports community. Yes, they like to say on sports talk radio. I think that. You know, it was interesting because one I kind of knew and I told you prior to magic going on Steven, he's going to name names. A lot of people probably didn't and like that naming names. But if you know, magic in, you know, the situation when a person's fed up with something and it's in it's burning inside. I knew he was gonna name names ju-? I just why if I was a bed man, I had to take a bit Vegas. I have just pushed it all the chips to the table, because I knew that a lot of people probably didn't. So it takes you by shocked. When all of a sudden you look up in magic is up there. Who's the best Laker greatest Laker of all time in? He's basically bombing the organization, you know, at that point. And then he's he's, you know, nothing really said some nice things about karema's here or a little Jeannie there. But nothing to the point where it was a ringing endorsement. No, no. You know he he. Basically, lit a torch to Frank Vogel without lighting torch to him by basically saying, we'll tie Lou. I should have got the job because he's better coach better choice, which I said, anyway, though, I say everybody buys said he's the best available coach in the NBA right now. He's the best vailable coach easy only coach that I think of that has a championship. I don't care if he came LeBron or whomever, unemployed. He everybody else has employment that unless they retired like Larry Brown or Phil Phil Jackson. But he's the best available coach but the Lakers decided on a different direction. I it was it was funny how work to that. There was the initial reaction. We're all listening to what magic is saying, and then trying to figure out what's going on inside the Lakers after magic had set it, and then as the day progressed and you could if you go on social media, and look at these things magic, eventually it started to come back on magic a little bit that the way the like where you were just saying key, because he was so. Forthright because he did name names because he basically said what he said about rob and that he didn't go and deal with it in house to begin with. There was the criticism that magic had had blown up the team that had done so much for him and vice versa to to a street. But magic didn't try to keep this in house that he let it not only let it get out. But was the one that lit the fuse he got some heat for that go and get some because what happens is waves and cycles as you know, you magic did his deal on Stephen it settled down for a little bit people had what they needed to say. They say what they needed to say the next thing, you know, the national media in the social media, created the magic Shinhan dentist. He shouldn't have did that. So you got that wave that came then you got the press conference where rob Pelinka and Vogel, that wave came, and then Pelinka at the press conference to me still felt it just felt like he was this this fake high road. You know, it was like a fake high wrote well. Speaking of here's rob Pelinka the press conference yesterday saying that he was saddened by magic perception of the situation. Let's take a listen to. And then react truly saddening disheartening to think he believes things that are misperception I think all of us in life, probably have been through things where maybe there's third party whispers or he said, she said things that aren't true. So these things are surprising to hear disheartening, but I look for the opportunity to talk with him, and sit down with him, and work through them, just like in any relationship because they're just simply not true. Okay. Let's say. And I'm so disheartened in it really broke my spirits. I just really want to sit down with urban Magic Johnson. Have a sidebar? I it's, it's interesting because look. Somebody was calling me a rat. If someone was saying to me that I was backstabber, if someone was saying to me that the reason I'm gone. Is that guy over there, rob Pelinka? And I was the one that was all of a sudden a couple hours later. I'm on a podium answering questions about this. That's not the tone. I tasted look, I'm sorry, went this way, those things aren't true. That's not the that's not the feeling. I imagine a problem. I wish you would come to me. I wish magic what a sat down with me, and we could have had a conversation about this, because the problem is, is that what magic is accused him of, of being disingenuous of being two faced of being a backstabber that's the sort of answer that guy that does those sorts of things they would give and Steven was all over sportscenter last night. He was everywhere saying it's not just magic saying these things he's heard it from everyone Ross the league. And he just reinforced the perception that he's a guy that's talking out of both sides of his mouth linka like he came from a non o'clock yoga session. You know that's what he's. That he just say like a nine o'clock. He just came from a nine o'clock. AM yoga session, and everything is just going to work on his nose. Like like you said, if somebody was torching me. Yes. And I'm going to defend myself. I'm not gonna give this fake kind of, like you know take the high road approach when everybody has been saying this about you for the longest. I mean they've been save. Whether it was the, the blind man that you members for extra twenty five million for your client, which is fine. I use the word. I want my agent to do the same thing. I wanted to get me pay and I'm not worried about that. But when people feel this way about you, you could connect the dots. It's like, you know, some I don't know if it was my mom might have been my mother years, many years ago when she was about something. And people say it had something to do with me just growing up. You know, and it was like when people start saying these. Things about you in not one, but it's too in his three has four and it's coming from different places. There's something there's some there 'cause I don't know you right? I don't know you. When I first met you told me watch Chris just whatever you do. He's a guy that you, you know, I'm not saying bad, about him just telling you sleep with toothpicks in your eyes. It's all of them say in get it. I get it. That's you know, and I get I at the risk of being. Obvious. I I'm the sort of guy that win stuff is going. I if for instance, if you and I had a disagreement. Right. And, and you were saying, Trump's is bad guy. He's a I'm telling you. He's a bad guy. I would be okay with the fact that everyone else that I deal with. Thanks. Good guy. And I wouldn't need to go back at you. But when if you said Travis bad guy, ask anybody these guys as a Bagai those guys as banks at that point, you come out firing. You can't go the high road. At that point, you can't come out and say, well, there's, you know, I'm saddened by the perception. It's week. It's clinician. Positioned this. I'm saddened Qissan perception of our relationship is to the point where we weren't able to work together. I look forward to sitting down with Keyshawn again at a future date, and working out because I will Keyshawn and very high regard, and I very much like would have a reputation with him. At some point it just it's so saccharin in artificial and fake in weird and terrible. Get mad. This is this is the time we said, look, this is. So we're giving you, we're giving you the opportunity were blessing you to go ahead in blog ask just get mad just go crazy on the podium, just, you know more, we're, we're allowing you to do that. Say something that look the relationship with magic is obviously deteriorated the point I don't think it's fixable. We don't get along. We didn't see we want to take the organization in different directions. I'm sorry that it ended up here, but this is what it is. I'm here he's not. He has his feelings. I have mine, we're gonna move forward until you some of that as, as I've dealt with people in my life that. That are a lot like what rob Pelinka has been described as I've dealt with those type of people banging having his Magic's word. Yeah. Those type of people people that you think got your best interest and the end of the day, they're the ones who's trying to benefit in move into your position. What? I've been there in my life, multiple times, not just once but multiple times is sometimes you just gotta separate yourself from those people. You gotta just, you know, and you would say why did magic just sit down and talk to him. He doesn't need to sit down talk because you know what you did was wrong. You know, you want has got a sleep at night, toss and turn in think them. I wonder what I did if I did that is that what he's talking about is that what is going on? I can't really quite put my finger on it. But that's what you gotta do. You're gonna be the one getting two hours of sleep worrying about what about you. Keep a rat if I'm a bad guy, and you cut me off. What do I care? I got what I want. He still there if you can't guy around I worry about it, but not if I'm a bad guy that you got to walk around. But, but you even know you back, you may not think you bad guy because you still thriving you still get an accomplished things in life. So you may not you may not feel you back. You may feel. Oh, that's the way you get ahead. I get ahead by backstabbing. Get ahead by negative talk at people because I'm in front I get ahead by when I was in agent, stealing other people's clients, I get ahead by bamboozling, blind guy. I get here about all of those things. It's the tip of the iceberg. This is just getting going. We got a lot of things to get into a new mentioned a second ago, key should magic and rob had some sort of conversation before it got to that point. We are back in five minutes. ESPN. Frank congrats and welcome to LA you rob question for you, though. We know that you guys did speak to smother coaching candidates before he said, on Franken, obviously money Williams and Tyler do seem to be higher choices. What went wrong in that coaching search and, you know, all do respect Frank. There were other people you intended to hire before. I think the important thing of any processes to be open minded, and to be methodical and to be prepared. And I think at the start of this, we had a committee of people internally that we had many names around Frank was one of those strong names and throughout the process. He just continued to emerge someone that had those qualities I talked about at the beginning of this, and we celebrate that we he. That it has come to a really weird spot when the introductory press conference for your new head coach has a question that includes, hey, welcome to town, real quick question for the general manager, why is he here wrong? I mean that's a helluva way to kick things off Frank congratulations on the job welcomed LA. Thanks. Hey, rob. What the hell is this guy doing here because that's the clearly magic sanity said that he would prefer tie Lewis owes a million other people. And everybody was expecting tie money Williams, Frank Vogel. Could have been a defensive assistant for one of them. But at the end of the day that was basically, your third, maybe four fifty. We don't know some of the quiet candidates that they probably reached out to, but he got his man, he made the higher. He made the recommendation genie bussey signed off on and he got his man, I got Tim involve Frank vocal has a chance to make this, right. Because Fred Vogel gets the opportunity to go out there and coach game if they win people people forget. All about question. If I think, in, I think, based on Indiana in based on a couple of people that have played for him coach with him, they liking they think he's a hell of a coach, don't look at what went on Orlando. The problem you didn't start with Frank Vogel. Yeah. If you want to start with Frank, Vogel, you would've told me. Hey, I don't look at the Landau situation because it was a rebuild. It which is crazy chaotic no one last down there you the gave me some of that I could've bought it, and it would have been great. But when you, it's difficult well key, it was it was so obvious that at best at best he was their third choice. And but I'm saying if you put him out front. Yeah. And you make him your first choice. Sure. Fine. Nan we go okay because you could sell me on indie, not Orlando. My last visions of him Orlando back, coach mcgarth, third choice. You just you just wanna coach. So you just hired. Somebody that's what you think about. But if you, if you sell it to me from the beginning, I'm buying it, you can go back to college football and just go to P Carol he was the thousand shores you ever like what a disaster where worked out, it worked out. But the problem with the Vogel press conference the problem with the Vogel, higher is the same thing. It's just it was another brick in the wall of Laker chaos, it was another as another example of the fact that the Lakers just are not on top of their, you know what that they just have so many different things that are going, they've got conflict between magic and rob. They've got an owner that doesn't seem to be willing to make difficult decisions. That's too. It's too tied emotionally to use. Magic's word to the players to the past. So there's no clear road for them to make these decisions and then Frank Vogel shows up, and it's just you. This was even your first guy if he was your first guy great. But it clearly wasn't their first choice it yesterday I was thinking when is. Last time we've talked about something Lakers on the court Xs and os, just last time with the topic like you know what I'm saying shortly after the Super Bowl, because that's when they started to put on the cement shoes and fall out of the playoff picture and then shortly after that they were done. They're, they're out of the Mickey I think important question is this. Should Magic Johnson had a sit down with rob Pelinka before resigning. The president of the team to try and hash out their, their problems to try and have a conversation and sit down and say, rob. I'm hearing that you're talking about me. I'm hearing that you're that you're gonna for my job. I'm here in that you are actively working undermine my thority. What's your problem? Let's go should he have had that conversation. No one. Because when you're in a position like Magic Johnson. I don't need to talk to you said before you, you know what it was that you did me sitting here trying to convince you that you did something when, you know, good, damn will what it was that you got me to this level. Remember magic said it wasn't one thing, it had been building up for stretches and loan periods of time. And I'm hearing people out there say things like magic took. The job knowing he explained the genie, I wouldn't be there all the time. I said that magic said that but saying I'm not going to be there all the time. He's not saying, I'm never going to be in the building. He's not saying that twenty four hours, seven days a week. I may stop in and he's not saying that he's just saying that I got these other things going, but I'm still doing a job over here because I can do both. But to have somebody walk in, in a building consistently in saying when they know that you're not they're trying to create this narrative, that's already people, you don't even need to create because people know you're not gonna be there. Five six seven days a week that you're going to be in and out people know that that's in the building, so walking in and saying, hey, where's magic anybody seeing magic magic? There's not around. I like come on. I agree with that. That's starting something that shouldn't even be started at his. Really? Why should I sit down and talk to you? That's the question why here's the answer. I think it depends the Y depends on what was magic. Johnson's goal was Magic Johnson's goal to go in there and do this as a quasi. And I'm not this is not shade. This is just a quasi part time job, where he has these interests over here, and I'm going to run the Lakers. And if it works out, great, if it doesn't, whatever or was his goal, to want to fix the Lakers have been bad for while I want to get them back to where I want to get going back to where their championship material. Because if it's the second thing he if it if my goal is to fix this organization and get them back on a championship track. And I believe that this guy over here is a rat. It's my responsibility to get him out or fix it. The, the great thing about all of this is we don't know exactly what rob was saying. But whatever rob was saying was so hurtful to magic that he decided to exit the building. And we don't know what he's saying because magic didn't tell us exactly what he's saying, but in ain't just as simple as and I can guarantee you this, it ain't just as simple as he's not doing basketball things. It's not that simple. No. I that. Try the sprint people's hotline in LA bre and. I what's going on morning months ago long before magic even resigned. I told you all Palinka with not qualified to run the Lakers. When I said, who would you rather have key raw Lincoln? I meant that with all due respect, you, I think he'd make an excellent GM. Rob Pelinka had no -cations insane. That magic was a rat. He didn't need to go up there and do that. I don't know if you're godfather to fans would Frank Pantano. He was gonna go rat out Michael Corleone and the coastal most of he wouldn't get bumped off. You just don't do that. If your Magic Johnson. You kick rob off to the side to. Hey heard you're running smack and you and you put them in his Eddie Johnson has way, more power than rob Pelinka. You put Robin's place that little boy, and you set him down, and you them into place not shouldn't with anybody in the place. Take that back. Then you go to genie and you tell, hey, look rob saying this, are you aware of this? Are you seeing emailed with him? So you need to make a choice genie. Are you gonna have me help you get the Lakers back to the glory days, or you're gonna have rob doing yours? I'm not fighting for her attention. If I'm magic, and that's an interesting question. One answer. Steve's question. I wanna get more reaction from Laker fans as well. Eight seven seven seven ten ESPN we are back in three minutes. Around leach. Happy birthday. The you know, I do. Okay. Dig eight. Yes. This is getting everybody would know this one, right bins. Oh, no. Everybody should this is the first line knowing that young, the first hit year would have been forty seven today have been forty seven. How wasn't when he passed twenty something? Twenty six twenty seven in that long me, Lena easy. You know, the crazy king, the crazy thing about this is I was at that I was at the party. I was at the at the auto auto center over there on Fairfax. Yeah, I was I was on the strip the night that to park got killed Travis. The night of Tyson fight. We're they're covering the fire and we were there, having dinner on a belief in it was like two o'clock in the morning, or whatever it was. We're eating Denny's across the street on, please. All the way in Vegas and you then he's boy on to him. Wait a minute got plenty of over that topic. That was not only choice. Hank cakes. What would you back then back then? And he's still cool. It's fine. Then he's still cool daddy's their stock his way up. Yeah. Right. Prince toes, Biaggi's birthday, forty seven years old birthdays brought to you by Jaguar Land Rover Newport Beach off the Seventy-three towards the sea. Visit Land Rover Newport Beach dot com. Land Rover above, if interesting to see people's reaction key to what magic the interview the magic gave yesterday. And it's it's kind of swung back. I think in the moment people like see here's what's going on. And now, people are frustrated, what, what magic and the reason in the reason that's going to happen is because their certain ways he got his way in the morning, the last thing they heard was in the afternoon in the rebuttal from rob in the yoga class. And then all of the sudden, this is what you get. Let's try Pasadena this time and, or Nesto. Line. Good morning. How are you? Going. Hey man, I'm gonna magic is gone, and this isn't a wave. I thought right after he said the press conference is, oh, genie magic, gene, should've never higher magic knowing he wasn't going to be there can any regular job. I'm there. My and my coworkers are only half the time where he always calls out. I'm going to say somebody always calls out or someone else say like Dan, he's not here, heat and all the may they weren't perfect. You live a little bit ago. You didn't get Paul George and he traded Buchan downplay that trait. Well, I think you, you, you the one thing that he admitted to was making mistake about the Lopez situation. Zubak being EMMY everybody tried to hammer, but he laid the cards out of say, look, here's the -til. We was trying to space fluid. We were try to do this, or that in what you think it is in any moved on from that. So I give him I give him a on that one in the Paul George situation. That was call George decision and not a Magic Johnson decision. So in any and what I want to say so that people can understand. This notion of your all lean you gotta be all in. You gotta be there. You gotta be open up the doors at six o'clock. You can't leave to seven, you get anything accomplished their get any that's not true. Man. You don't have to be sitting in damn office all day loan to construct some business. That's why they're cell phones and that's why there's office phones, and that's why people take meetings outside and office. Okay. Many people running corporations around this globe or not sitting in their office. Twenty four hours, seven days a week. It just doesn't happen like that. So I wish that people would understand that. That's why if you look at it, the, the joke around California, LA, in general, is you go to work at ten in your plea. Yeah, you're, you're off by two right? Because you're never back in the office. You're just everything we do on our phones. I talked to rob Pelinka about a deal being done from a satellite office somewhere else. I could talk about a player that I got film on, and I'm watching in a satellite office somewhere else in have a conversation about that. Particularly hit. Look, I wanna go back something or Neste said when he said, she never should've hired him in the first place, we can go around and around on that. And there's different opinion, whatever she did desire to hire him with the full knowledge that he was going to conduct his schedule the way heated magic, come in and say, I'm all in OB, there from seven to seven he came in there saying, look, I want to do this genius understand I'm still doing all this other stuff the second, she said, yes. To that. She, it's her responsibility to make sure that if he's not there that someone else isn't trying to undermine his authority. Yes. She signed off on that schedule. She was the one that gave magic the power and the second that she started to let rob do it. Rob was reportedly doing or, or Tim, or whoever else. The second anybody else's starting guy. Undermine Magic's authority. It was her responsibility. Say, hey, rob shut up. I know that he wasn't going to be here every day. I signed off on this. He's the president of the team, you're the general manager. I knew this is what we were getting knock it off. And she didn't I don't have a problem with her hiring him. I have a problem with her not going and taken rob out of this, or at least get in that to go away from the beginning because magic didn't sneak this by anybody. Magic said this from the beginning that he wasn't divesting from his other relationships as other businesses that he was going to do these things that's on genie for not killing it not on magic. No, gene Jeanie genie should've stepped in when. When she knew that there was some rumblings, because this is not something that happened overnight. There was some scuttle button going around somewhere at a time during the season where she got a wind of in got a hold of it, and they just ignored it to the point where like magic said he wanted to at the end of the day one to fire Luke Walton, and then he couldn't fire lukewarm because they said, don't firewall. Let's think about it, and he came back and said, now, we don't wanna do it, and then all of a sudden, I'm sitting in a room to do that. I don't ever talk to name Tim telling me now. That's the way described guide it all of a sudden he's finding his way on the up to the other side of the building. That's just like in, in here, just like in here. If somebody came in, and all of a sudden they start telling Rosh in, in, in Chris, how to produce this show. But there from the marketing side, you know, I got Tim McGraw. Yeah. Like excuse me, look at the risk of stealing align from lavar. Paul stain your lane. Just take sailing, right. Let's try one more quick ones sprint people's hotline in LA and Calvin Calvin, you are in the morning show. What's up? Yeah. First of all, like you guys show, you do a great job. Outweigh. Way backwards. It was a very low budget move. You say you love. Jeannie. And yet, you couldn't even tell her that you were quitting. How is that you tear around? You wanted to fire Luke. She gave you permission to fiery. You said you didn't want to because it would hurt her, you quit the day, the next day, they fired Luke now you on TV talking about somebody saying, he said she said magic you so high up on the food chain. Nobody could stab you in your back, and they can't reach you people have talked about you for your entire career. And now you quick. You another thing you get all these damn tampering fines. And then when it comes time to sign these guys. Yes, is not even around. Brings up some good points here. I think the point about magic completely playing the victim here is a little bit disingenuous. I think that certainly there are some things that went wrong, but magic saying, hey, look, this was beyond my control. I do agree with Calvin there that a little disingenuous will get into that. Plus, Ben Rothlisberger actually admitted that he might have done something wrong. That's coming up in four minutes.

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Hour 2: Best Fit For LA

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Hour 2: Best Fit For LA

"All right. The clock is ticking. We are less than three days away from NBA free agency, and it might just be the most loaded in league history. Stephen, what could be the biggest surprise. Would you say free agency? I want max to go first on this because I want to hear his response, please knacks, if the sorry, Knicks get a single elite free agent to sign with them. That would be the big surprise of free agency. I sat in this seat and listened when they traded Kristaps Porzingis. I went on Twitter rant that night next day I come in and sat and listened to people bend over backwards to explain the stupidity of this idea as though it was a good one. Kristaps Porzingis on his rookie contract. Seven foot three every single thing, you'd want a guy to do a unicorn don't ever done it like him before play defense like that space by the rim can can shoot the three pure can take it could take you off the dribble that Christopher traded him to free up cap space that you created. Well it was a new regime. No mill signed Tim Hardaway junior. Well, it's because Christopher porzingas wanted out. Will which team did he want out from mixed their fault you traded? Did all that because here we go. Katie's coming. And then Katie gets hurt, but even if he didn't you think he's going to the sorry Knicks. That would be the biggest surprise places dysfunctional. Everyone knows it. If Steven that's changing, they're going to have to demonstrate that to the league overtime not going to happen like this. They're silly misguided plan is about a blow up in their face, and I will sit here laughing if I'm wrong, I will be very surprised. Well, you know what? Nobody can beat that because that obviously has to be a huge huge surprise MAC. But I would tell you, if Kawhi Leonard ends up going to the Lakers, that would be shocking. I mean, I'm stunned as over what I've had to report this morning in terms of them saying that the Lakers have become major players in the whole coagulant, sweepstakes is not a two-horse race with Rondo and the clippers it's now a three horse race with Toronto clippers and the lake is with the clippers potentially losing out to the Lakers. I'd never -ticipant in my wildest dreams that all knows that I heard about a while lended that he would consider being an LA LeBron and a D. I know he and LeBron Tech's one another. I know they communicate their friends and what have you. But and they worked out together last summer as well. A so it wasn't like they were enemies anything like that. I'm just saying that I thought that could wild lent. It would be the guy that would want to be someplace away from the sizzle play with the clippers compete with the Lakers in the Staples. Center for surpremacy within the NBA, and that would be that to think about Kuwata Linnet, potentially joining forces with LeBron. And a dean would be Oltra shocking to me. No question about, you know what Stephen I think about I understand what you mean. I, I agree, everything that we've been hearing, that would be a huge shock. But now, think about it in another way. Is it really shocking? Think about the history of the Knicks their biggest acquisitions in free agency, like Chris Childs Amari Stottlemyre on an uninsurable, contracts dot Meyer. The year everyone was banned for LeBron or Wade, or Bosh, Pat Riley wasn't thinking, LeBron waiter. Bosch, Pat Riley was from the Lakers. He was thinking LeBron Wade, and Bush, and the Knicks mound up with uninsurable Amari Stottlemyre. No one else wanted thing about back in the day, we just had Tim Hardaway senior on the show. He's a free agent. The Knicks wind up with Chris Childs. Those are the kind of moves. They make while the Lakers are signed. Shaquille, O'Neal and LeBron James, the Lakers. Always get their man. The Knicks never do. It's par for the you gotta remember you're looking at it from a basketball perspective, zip pertains to the history of the Los Angeles Lakers. What we've seen throughout NBA history, etc. I'm just looking at the personality that is let it you got you're talking about a God. Do you understand it? If this guy decides to leave Toronto and go to LA Mexico amid he would have walked away from eighty million dollars with two moves the move to from San Antonio Toronto, where he's not for the supermax, and then obviously the max dollars Toronto can offer him over five years, considerably more than he could get over four years with anybody else in about about fifty million dollars difference, who are, you know, max tell me and all your years of watching basketball, it all your years of watching sports. Tell me one person that you can point to that lives early walked away from eighty million dollars. Blanket, who was that? I'm talking about losing eighty million. I'm not talking about all I can make it up somewhere else, and I understand off the off the court issues endorsement deals all, but I'm just talking about in terms of their respective sport, their salary no matter what it is knowing that you can't get that back. Who do you know that walked away from eighty million? No, you're right Stephen, but I'll also say this about Kawai and I'll you can relate to this. I think if you could make neither no two hundred million dollars in your career. And you get after six or seven years to live in LA for the rest of your career in life, or you can make two eighty but you gotta spend the next six seven years in San Antonio Toronto. Maybe that puts it in a little bit of a different light, especially those from LA. That's home for co why. Well, I'm saying this. I'm saying I'm not disagreeing with you. But, you know, we're on the same page just here's the difference. You're looking at the Lakers and basketball and I'm looking at the personality. That is linen. And I'm saying even with that being said, it's still made more sets everything about him say clippers the talk of personality that literally, the team, I'm just talking about now, one of pop rotties, the sizzle of Tinseltown and a purple and gold and all even. Even though he grew up a Lakers fan. The fact of the matter is you never got any indication that Kowa Linnet was the kind of dude that would join that kind of atmosphere. I mean I like it. But you never got that impression that that was who he was. And so to hear that the possibility of him arguably the best of the world is people's eyes, like yourself, a champion, two time champion now NBA finals MVP all the things that he has gone from a country at as mercy, a city of franchise, the sane and to be able to walk away from all of that, to go to join the Lakers. It's quite shocking. It really is purple and gold Kawai. Well, you said it seems a quiet just wants to be happy. So maybe that's just what's going to make him happy. We'll find out but still to come here on I take, I'm glad that you can, let's go non-party people. I'm only caring listening to the first take podcast if you don't know numbers. You don't know your business folks, but the problem growing businesses have that keeps them from knowing their numbers. Is there hodgepodge of business systems? They've one system for counting another for sales, another inventory, and so on. 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Car, my breaking. Really stand. For more coverage state farm dot com. All right. Welcome on back to. I take we're coming to you live from above the Heineken rubber duck at pier seventeen. Now let's welcome in the air river so charismatic, Drake's well dressed, Bomani Jones, one half of high noon, which can be seen every day at four pm on ESPN. Welcome on my brother was, was my brother. You, you don't look into the camera and say what's up to your board? My chair. Supposed to be looking at. That was going off. Stephen that's no skews that you are pro TV every day his questions know what can, we ain't got to come to work to do the show. I got come to work to do to show. That's what I wanna know. Dan, you know. Yeah. New, that's high eleven to. These are not the Airdrie do not wear them. Because you found out they were air Drake's after you bought him. And now you won't wear them. Yeah. That's basically. Okay. Walk around with signups said too many things to be out here, like rock rocket Samir. Drake's I will humble myself before Michael Jordan. I'm not humble myself before. No drake. Fair enough. Fair. Stephen, would you mind reiterating. The news revealed at the show right now. Your money at the top of the show. You know, I had a bunch of phone calls from last night, and this morning. Apparently Kowal Leonard has become a serious threat with, you know, the land with the Los Angeles Lakers. He strongly considering that, you know, his college coach has been somebody that it's talked to rob link on numerous occasions. His right hand man, there's somebody to talk to Magic Johnson on numerous occasions. He's cool with LeBron. He's worked out with Koby. He grew up a Lakers fan. He wants to be back in LA, supposedly, even though he hasn't made a final decision as of yet. And for what I'm being told the clippers are very, very nervous that the Lakers, have really, really come into the picture and benefit -nificant player in all of this. So it's gonna come down to the raptors the Lakers of the clippers with the lake is seemingly having the edge over the clippers to acquire him. I don't know how true it is what they saying though, if that happens, though, if it ends up going to the Lakers, day, you gotta wonder what katie's gonna do? We've talked about the Knicks. We've talked about the nets well Bob, my as general manager for the Golden State Warriors is going to be on the east coast this weekend. The minute the clock strikes, six PM eastern. Standard time. K D is going to get offered to two hundred twenty one million dollars super max by the Golden State Warriors to remain with the warriors, you know. So if you're K D in light of AD, LeBron, potentially Kowah being in LA, do you still go to new you wanted to New York teams? Or do you go back to Golden State because you think about the next three years, and you go compete for title then to get to your boys and Houston, right? You've got a situation where for Tita and Darryl Maureen. Those boys have been pursuing Jimmy Butler. Do you still do that knowing that LeBron AD and potentially Kawai are in LA, or do or do you stand stamp, Pat, and just let Jimmy Butler, stay in Philadelphia without trying to bring him to Houston? Syncing -ticipant. It's not gonna make much of a. Difference in terms of your ability to beat LA or not only that, you got kyri you got Kimber, all of this stuff is going on. Koa Linnet right now is the king of free agency because whatever move he makes may very well dictate what a multitude of teams elect to do which is what makes all of this, so interesting. That's what I've been told. And that's where we are here reaction by money. I just can't see who I let go of being on top of the basketball world to then, being LeBron James psychic because there's really only room to be in the broadside kick, that's the only if you're going to be on the team with him. You go to be the sack. And then that means Anthony Davis is going to be the number three guys. Linda go be the number three guy. I expect him to go back to Toronto. My guess he sounds a two year deal the ten years in the league, then it comes on the back end of that inside, like the supermax extension that you can get for being a ten year veteran. That's the only thing that I can see having his him doing that because I just don't think for him, personally, it makes sense to play for lakes seem to the clippers. First of all, I'm not. So sure, when you say sidekick, Kawai. Lead that team in scoring LeBron could use it. Lebron basically, the point guard Kawai is like the one part of his game. It's not up to snuff with the rest of his game, his passing which is only okay. It's not all other worldly. He's really a two guard. He has that kind of scores mentality LeBron as the point forward uses AD as the big and Kawais is the two who I could lead that team in scoring. Yeah but here's the thing though if you own a team with a broad bus opposed to leave go from the hotel to the game. The bus leaves will abroad gets there. No matter what time that happens to be. That's when the bus is gonna leave your letter that you worked up to that place in life. You're not trying to be the other guys waiting for this other due to show. What? Right. Like those are the things that think about being the second players, not just second player on the court is the second player in the building. And after being the number one guy did so much might not be going for that. Yeah. I don't mean I don't think was present. Let me let me present this to both y'all. First of all, the Monte from what I hear about Kawai. He don't care about any of that. He's cut from a different cloth. He could give a damn about that. Whether we believe that or not, we may be seated depends on what he elects to do. But I'll throw this at both y'all. I'm also thinking about the money, and here's why as I explained earlier, you leave San Antonio. So the supermax is out the window you go to Toronto. They got your rights, but they can't off you super Mexico. You haven't been with that team for these four years. So you have a situation where they can give you one hundred eighty nine point seven million, the one eighty seven point nine and one eighty nine point seven one of the forget, but either way it's going to cost you close to fifty million dollars to leave Toronto to go to another team. So you could have had to twenty one s out the window. Now you can have close to one ninety that would be out the window. If you decided to go to LA, so go into the clippers or the Lakers, doesn't make a diff. Guys, if he elects to go to the Lakers because in terms of cash shea, if what they say is true. It's LA's a Lakers town, even though the clippers have their own fan base and all of this other stuff. If you talk about money that you could make off the court with new balance envy on is it possible that being a Laker is exponentially. More beneficial to him financially than being a clipper. I'm asking, I don't know. I wanted to get your response to that now I think it could be beneficial to be Allegra. But the question is, is being a Laker and the number two guy on the team. More beneficial than being on any other team being the number one guy. Right. I mean, we saw James harden, and get that try played in Houston. So like for me if I'm kuwa- I wanna be the man on that team. If I've already been the man, he might be the best player in the NBA right now. I don't want to be the best player in the NBA and the number two doodo, my, I would say that the strongest move for Leonard, including staying in Toronto. I think clearly is going. To the clippers my honest opinion, I'm Lakers fan. I wish he would go to the Lakers. But if he goes to the clippers, I'm telling you right now, the clippers will surely win the title next year. They just took the Golden State Warriors, a healthy K D six games. If you add to a team that's already formed, and playing well together you don't have to take anything away. And by the way, you still have cap space to add someone else that team is going to be better than the depleted warriors or the rockets who can't get over the hump or whatever Utah Denver's. They're not going to be as good as that team. And the Lakers AD and LeBron two years from now. Yes. But they had to strip it all down to get there, then they're throwing it together. It's gonna take a year for them to figure out the details. Kowal win the chip the clippers host the second best plot. That for one second Jimmy Butler on there. Oh, so you take, I see, so you're saying, max, you believe let me be very clear, because see you confused us now we're talking about Kawagoe into the clippers you believe that if Jimmy Butler doesn't end up in Houston, that Jimmy Butler is gonna leave the sixes to go to the clippers. I think it's possible, of course, is there. But I'm saying even without Jimmy Butler guys who was the second best player on Toronto now. Yes. Well, there's certain things in the east that made it opened it up for quiet. I'm claiming that's the same situation in the west. This is a clippers team again with a healthy Cade beat them, two games. But now, Katy and Clare at there. The Lakers are without a roster around their two stars who else is in the west, it's going to stop Kawai on a on a team on, they're not just doing this together. It's a team already. And now you add a finals MVP the best player in the game to that team without taking anything away. It's like it's Toronto Rita. I'm not I'm not I'm not sold on that. I, I think Houston could take, I think. Houston could take that particular clippers team. I think Portland would nurture back could take that particular clippers team. I'm not a fan of the canal gala Nadi. I'm not a fan of. I know he can play a little bit. But I just consider him relatively soft. Montrose, heralds, a rough rider, but from a skill standpoint in terms of the ability to hit perimeter shots, and what have you like PASCAL Seok could I don't see him as dot mom. Step away from the basket hit outside shots. I don't see that, you know. So when you look when you look at Toronto, I think you're underestimating how skilled Toronto is Patrick. Beverley, you gotta keep it. Remember nine million dollars? You gotta bring him back. You gotta find a way to get if you if you go out the match, you gotta find a way to make sure that you keep him as well. Don't underestimate. It's reality, too. So we don't know that about Patrick Bev. Good news miss. I'm not sure championship side of Hawaii, though. I mean, if they get Jimmy Butler, okay then you got like a number two option. But Kyle Lowry is a better to option than what the clippers would have right now, the other thing that clip these raptors head those big long, do not show. Money you're going to be lowering more lowering. Later on the show on god-like lowering. I like I like I like Larry but Lou Williams, I would argue is a better option. Six three. We haven't even mentioned about that. We have a lot more things to mention coming up in this show. And max also coming up, you're taking us to your ingenious. Tell us how. Ingenious bar have any in arches. I held the golden art. And now what do you say we get some free agency education from maxes ingenious bar max, take it away seem to be having problems with your free agency predictions. Let me see if I can't help figure this out for you. First of all, if Kawai Leonard goes to the Lakers. They obviously win a championship. Can we all agree on that no one's gonna be Kawai Leonard and eighty and LeBron? Right. Steven A and Bomani or me, or whomever, Charlie could be the other two people on the team. It wouldn't matter. Okay. So we're really talking about Toronto or the clippers and I am here to tell you that Leonard is the balance of power wherever he goes that team will win the championship this year. Let's start with Toronto. That's where he is. They are the best in the east and likely getting better Siaka is an ascending player, and an OB should be a sense. Player he was hurt. But this guy can do a lot of things. There'd be a lot of interest in and OBI, were he available, for example, in a trade. These are young ascending multi multidimensional players who are getting better, not to mention Kyle Lowry who seems to have gotten over the playoff gifts and had a maybe the best player in the final game of the season. Okay. The rest of the conference is running in place. What's going on in the east Philadelphia just hoping keep that thing together as much as possible? Can they keep Butler and Tobias Harris? Can they even just keep one of them? What's the difference in Milwaukee? It's the same thing Middleton and brogden. Can they simply keep it together and the Celtics that alludes our hor- for that lose kyri candidate can Kemba Walker be guy? Good enough to keep us at least treading water in Boston. Right. So as Toronto's getting better just won the chip the rest of the east. Is descending? The have the clippers. Speaking of team on the rise versus other teams in the conference going down. They just took eight Kevin Durant, led warriors. He wasn't hurt. He didn't have an achilles or a calf. He was fully healthy six games, was the MVP on the clippers who was their best player. They didn't have one. They were deep. They were good. They had a lot of average daughters, but who was the MVP now? You mean to tell me without taking anything away, you're going to drop Kowa Leonard into that situation. And just as the clippers are improving the rest of the west is wide open. No, Katie or clay in Golden State. The rockets are into, if you say, are they ascending or descending, you would say descending the Denver Nuggets in the Utah Jazz got a little bit better? But they don't look like beaters and the Lakers just got thrown together. Let see what they even do the rest of their space, and how they all play together Kawagoe to win the chip wherever he goes. He stays. Toronto. You're champs. He goes to the clippers their your chance agree with us. I just have not all on the clippers you and I appreciate that. They won those two games. That's fantastic. They won those two gains to eight seed, right? So they had their best two weeks at the time you probably have your best two weeks at a year. So I think you ain't why, and they become a contender but still played in San Antonio. Do you think that, that team take the Marta rose and out put away Leonard today and green bed, you think that team would be a contender now to win the west because I don't think it would be contended to win the west. So I definitely don't think this clippers team will be contended with the west just because he's on answer's yes, I do think with Kawhi on the San Antonio Spurs right now instead of the Rosen, I think they would be a contender. But I don't think as much of the Spurs, as I do of the clippers at the moment, four Coa seven what are you saying? Well, let me ask you this question max, albeit rhetorical, what the hell was so ingenious about what you said. All we all know. No, no, no, no. I do understand that if cogos to the Lakers, they're going to win the they're going to be the favorites to win the championship. We disagree on the part of the clippers I stand there with Bomani. All right. And if he stays with the raptors good chance that they're the team that comes out of the east, and obviously that puts them in play to win another championship when we talk about Jesus we talk about clever. We talk about brilliant. We talk about it being something will you spending alone, essentially, there's nobody that excuse me, excuse me? We listened to you speak. I'm talking directly to you list, what I said is, is that we listened to you talk. We heard what you were saying you pretty much what most people would could see what is it? That was genius about what you says the genius bar right genius. Genius, balling with where into the going into the season. I told you Toronto was good come out of the east, you told me is going to be Boston going into the finals. I told you Toronto is going to win in six games. I told you Toronto is gonna win. I the road team would win games four five and six. Now you're sitting all the time. Now you're stealing the cliff. They would you're leaving something out. First of all, you don't know what this genius because we don't know what's going to happen until next season arrive. That's more importantly, after the raw after two rob after the rafters got swept a team that you picked to beat LeBron last year. You started the preseason saying they will win this year you jumped off the bandwagon, and set Milwaukee is going to be there done, and you're wrote them off. I thought that walkie would beat Toronto going into that series to start the season. I picked Toronto out of the Boston store with others, such money. John, his enjoying the show. Guys to keep like a chalkboard back here. So, you know. If you're gonna have a ball if you're gonna have a ball. All right. And needs in these live up to it live. Clinical wins the shabby. Right. I give you a list when I give you a list what I'm doing is I'm touching on a fresh topic. I'm not saying the same thing that I've been saying for a week the fact that the matter is, is that if we know what's going to happen. We know Toronto. They're going to be. Stephen as list. I'll even be talking Pablo got you. I got you. I got you. I'm trying to I'm trying to find something that you've been right about. Was right. Why? Because he's right all the time. But failed this out salty about quite a few things with the show. You be right. Ain't one of them. All right. So here's the thing, though. Right. I agree that if you put Hawaii on the Lakers what they got now. That's a championship favourite. But can you think of a time ever in the NBA that it is wide open as feels like it is, at least on this day, it'll probably still feel wide open after the first week of July? Right. Like many interesting teams this is it. They wanna parody, right? The league decided they wanted to redo this at thought this league was better with three or four great teams. And everybody else given us exhibitions. This is balanced league is ever been. Right. And so, you know, credit to you guessing. Right. You did good. Because we all guessing at this point with the NBA is really that close. Listen, it's called the genius bar. Don't don't pull back the curtain. All right. I. Title come on another title. I don't mind the segments nights. I, I need another title other than the ball, you got to come up with a different. You got to come up with some better than I think the gingy works. Now. Another name. It gets this reaction. Now I'm positive. June som- Brady on high known Radi. Made it a point address officiate trying to get I'm trying to plug it. That's a good look receive name. But I got got a plug my man right here loop. And with that introduction. Not welcome in rapper. Actor producer in co-founder of the big three basketball league ice cube. All right. You're overcharged. Good to see you man to man. It's good to see. A lot to talk about today. You know, your Lakers now have cap space assign a max player or even build around LeBron eighty. So what would you like to see them do with all that money? Well, you know, course, put a great team around them. Everybody's forgetting about Calcutta's MMA. You know who's a great player too, so, you know, I don't think we need another max player. But we need some great pieces. It'd be nice. But, you know, I think with the right combination Anthony Davis can get his real deep and then LeBron. Just take us over the hump. Ice cube. First of all, congrats congrats. We'll get into the big three and a few minutes 'cause I definitely got something I want to ask you about that. But sticking with the Lakers for second. What has happened to you, my brother? I remember when we were sitting right next to each other, and you were talking about I don't need stars. We don't Bill for what we don't need we don't need the bro. We don't need it superstars now you sitting there, like, hey, the broad A D. I like it. Could you explain yourself, sir? I don't run a Laker. So I got roll with what we got. You know, sometimes you gotta play with cars that you don't. So that's what I'm doing playing with the cards that I'm dealt when we had a young team without in the Brian, I thought, you know, maybe one superstar will come in and be enough. And I thought that was going to be what we need it. It didn't work out last year with injuries trade rumors a lot of things you know, brought down our team. So. So here we go. You know, in the summer, now, we got AD, common, and we gotta put a team around what we got which is the man, I don't hear all the jokes. Now, you know, I heard heard a lot of jokes just a few weeks ago. And now I hear you know, people really wondering if we're gonna get Kawai wondering if we're gonna get kyri. Will we get a Cambe you know? So that's what I like is the fact that everybody's you know, got sensors about themselves. I said, laugh now cry later and get the tissue because here we come. They're gonna have to decide Cuba do. They hate the Lakers. Again, they're trying to laugh at the Lakers. They're gonna have to decide but can't nobody laugh at as the guy who runs the big three your TV now saying, we don't need a big three and LSU. We Lakers fan, as you know, but LeBron AD should be enough. If you put the right pieces around them, right? Yeah. Cal coups. Okay. But there's a little drop-off between the Brown, and Kyle coups McCue. Let's be real about this. So I get that. But if Kawais available you have to get Kawai. I think I think I kyri also fits that my question to you is where does it drop off, like those Kemba qualify as a guy you'd say, right? Forget all the pieces we need. Kemba Jimmy Butler qualified a you where, where do you say? No, not that guy. What's the cutoff? Well, I think you know, we need to a point guard. I mean, it's only a few max guys out there. And this couple supermax guys, I guess, but we only got so much so you know, somebody's going to have to sacrifice a little big to come and be a part of this. And if they don't I'm saying it's not the end up a world. I'm saying that doesn't kill our chances to go all the way to the top. You know, just takes a little more and it takes takes everybody knowing they roll, no matter if you a big part of the big three or not. Let me transition to the big three because I want you to talk about your league. How's it doing, you know, what's the chance of surviving, because I love, I love what I see you trying to do for former players, giving them some shine cats. Still wanna play just don't want to run up and down the court for eighty two nights during the regular season. Retired plays things of that nature. Want you to talk to me about that. The kind of support you're getting, and how you feel what you feel the league standing is right now we've got a great league you know. And we would love a little more support from sports media. But if we don't get it, you know, we know we got to earn our stripes. We don't mind doing that. We got great games on all weekend, hardnosed players, you know, playing the game you love, you know, three on threes in America's sport on Vinnie right here in America. So, you know, we wanna make sure that, you know, you know, promoted and pushed in the right way and it you know, I don't have chopped liver got some of the greatest guys who ever touch basketball. So I would want to sports media not to treat these guys like you know, some, some of the pass teams they was on, you know, when playing in the NBA and get a little love for, for playing great basketball at a high level, who's the best big three in the big three that you've ever seen cube. Wow. Man. You know I've seen some great players but I mean you look at. You know, core, Magaji you look at a Katina Mobely, and you look at it, I guess, big baby, you know then three they wanna championship last year. So they got to be the favorites. Sorry, what do you think the players can do themselves to help promote the league? I know obviously when she played pro ball, you know, everything else is going to be looked upon as secondary. But is there anything specific that they can do to help us what we see you a lot, but we don't see them talking a lot. What do you think they need to do? They gotta get there. But out there and promote you know, this is their league if they wanted to continue and keep growing gotta get out to promote the league. You can't take it for granted. You know. We're only author year, you know, we still got to introduce a lot of people to the big three and it's great. We plan all weekend give you something to do. You know you wake up early, especially on the west coast gives something to watch and checkout, and it's just a great league in, you know win the summer. What else are you gonna watch baseball? Who's the who's the best big three in the in the NBA right now? Obviously if Kawai went to the Lakers the cake who's, who's the best big three in the league right now. While you know, you got I guess you would have to, you know, start with Janice as one of them, he just won the MVP Rog than Middleton who are the other two on that you have a lot of a lot of options. Yeah. Without a doubt. I guess you gotta go with, you know, me who's gonna leave out of the blind. You know when you really wanna do it can't nobody stop that. And you know as a point guard, there's a lot of options, you know, but I still like, Damian Lillard you know, he he's still to me. You know, between him and Steph. That would be my big three. I got a question for you. What do you think about AB joining your raiders? Oh man. You know he was he looked like a pirate. So he was born to be a raider. You know. So I'm extremely happy that we got some personality back in the locker room. Let's get some of this Reiter, mystique going again, and have some fun. You're not. I don't mind guys that come in. That's a little, you know volatile ready to go and know what he can do wanna do it, and khaki witty, why not. How do you think they're gonna fair this season? They're gonna do pretty good. You know, I think Jon Gruden has really had a chance to put the team together, you know, in the way he he see fit. And. You know, I, I have confident that they're going to do better than they did last year. So you know, they ain't got really Bill right now is gonna be who do you got you? Got you got hope you got hope or you got confidence real confidence. I mean you confident that they're going to be this. I got hope I got hope for real. I don't know. I gotta sing this wait and see thing with me. You know, I'm not going to sit here and sugar coated if when the raiders go to Vegas fine. Let me they're not in southern California when they go to Vegas. You're going to switch over to the Rams, or is it still going to be the Rams right there in LA? Not a Rams as my side piece I got I got raiders. I got to writers chargers insurance who show up anywhere. Charges. Look it Cletus. This, this people feel in LA. It's unbelievable. The chargers. This cousin that, you know that you don't want to come over, and it won't go home. We all know that. I think he's much for joining us, everybody be sure to check out the big three this summer. Because like the man said, what else are you gonna watch Tom breeze? Just about done it could be his next game. He plays. It could be a year from now. He is going to fall off a cliff. I can't believe what I just heard this year, including this postseason left in front of him. And then he ain't gonna be Tom Brady anymore. You come up with different stipulations to the cliff, every time we speak about it. This is now. Tom Brady's age forty one season. He will not be Tom Brady. That's my claim all along. Brady turns forty one today. Max forty one big birthday. I do not think he will be a great quarterback this year. If he is proven me wrong. Hey max, the goat is listening. Tom Brady had this Instagram post yesterday picture of a radar gun show and TB, twelve throwing balls at sixty one miles per hour and the caption, he's gonna fall off a cliff. All right. Here's a little bit of context here. Some notable quarterbacks in how hard they threw at the combine before entering the NFL Patrick Mahomes, sixty miles per hour. Faker Mayfield at sixty one Carson Wentz at fifty seven Cam at fifty six deck at fifty four that's pretty numbers, right there. We'll Kane joining us here in studio now I'm not a mathematician. You're not. No, I know you have a ingenious boss. I don't know if you guys solve math problems there at the genius bar. But whatever you need sixty one higher than sixty. What radar gun us? I, I. I they marry up to three of in other words, the strongest arm. Max. Are you gonna reach your statements now not? In fact, Mike -tainer had sorry, ten-year had this Bleacher report in January of this year. If you look into the numbers for the eyeball test tells you, he's not the same. Secondly, if you look into the numbers verifies highest interception total lowest TD rate since two thousand thirteen lowest passer rating since two thousand fourteen in a year of record passing thinking and Dunkin compared not just to, you know. He always kind of digging the note compared to the last two seasons. He's thinking Duggan completion and I down rates on third and four plus down from the last two seasons down from his career below league average. This is just what it is now. He's playing for two things of conspired to make it look, as though he hasn't fallen off a cliff. One he's playing for the greatest coach who ever lived and to and they've compensated with run game cetera. And two they've changed the rules in the NFL where you can't touch the quarterback. So I'll refer you to early in the seas earlier in the season when Kansas City who was the linebacker who had them in his grips had him in his grasp. Let Tom Brady walk into the end zone. That's how the patriots one. You're not allowed to touch the quarterback anymore. Favoring old quarterbacks. Tom Brady, still great under pressure. I never expected that the change and I don't mean under pressure because those numbers are down to when he's actually facing pressure. But in big situations. He's still Tom Brady still has the clutch gene, and all those things for sure. But he is much more of a game manager now than he's been at any point, see what since young. And by the way to get a high reading on a radar gun, you can muscle it. That's why quarterbacks Brady's age are not as accurate down the field anymore. That's why you overthrow receivers because you're muscling. What do you think about that? Steven take this. You wanna you wanna go. You know, I'll go first world because I'm not going to be law with this is max Kellerman. All I have to say about this. You did not say there would be a drop off. You said he would fall off a cliff. That's what Tom Brady is replying to. That's what he's reacting to now. You did take back the word bum. Because you thought it was disrespectful, and kids will watching fun. But you made the argument you didn't sit up the say he wouldn't be the same and leave it at that you said he would fall off our cliff, which basically meant you know what he's not going to be anywhere near what he was going to be a shell of himself and don't even bring Super Bowl championships into the equation, essentially utter. Those words he been to a Super Bowl each year. He's one two two n VP's go ahead will why I think you stole the thunder there at the end. But it seems to be the only argument needs to be made. That's listen to me. I'm talking to you. I've sat across for going on three years now. We have a nice before. I don't know that I'd call it a friendship, but we definitely have some mutual respect. I know you place, a high value on being right. Should be ashamed of yourself max, you should be very, very ashamed of yourself. You should go home and really give some thought to this because Stephen, I said, at the end, is the end you made that prediction two thousand sixteen max since that time, Tom Brady has been to three Super Bowls. He has one two and that Stephen eight points out. He's won two Super Bowl in MVP's. There's nothing left to discuss. You are the guy you are buddy. We all have this, buddy, you're sitting around, you had a party you're single at the time. So let's make that clear and there's a beautiful beautiful woman in the room and everybody is astounded and you're over there, picking out the smallest of flaws on the Mona Lisa. You are over here. Looking through stats doing your best to find things to explain away. Your take you're talking about muscling radar gun. I don't know what you're. Through. But I know what you're gonna dig past. You're digging pass three Super Bowls and two wins. It was the lowest scoring Super Bowl in the history of Super Bowls this year. They did they couldn't get the offense going. And the reason they want is because they have a better coach than the other team that is protected. Tom Brady's fall. Now. Stephen understand what you mean about the cliff, I said, it would be like this, and it's been more like that, that is true. And I'm here to tell you that has something to do with Tom Brady, of course. And also a lot to do with rules changes. I had no way of predicting at the time that they would change the roughing the passer rules to the point where you can't touch the quarterback. And so that is also preserved him. All right. Well, what do you say we talk about the Lakers for a little bit right now? You know it has been a great couple of weeks for the purple and gold. Anthony Davis is now a Laker and they've opened up enough salary cap space for another max player will had a message for rob linka haters on his radio show yesterday. You could line them up outside this studio down and out the door up the street and around the country you can line up the people that need to bend over and kiss. Rob Pelinka's but. Apologies are and you can start with where the sun doesn't shine. All right. Well, Lenka you say he's Jess. I have to confess that, that kissing of that made me very uncomfortable. I. Explain the top just say, just taking it. Uncomfortable, Stephen a microphone, you know, we have our. Microphoning listen, rob Pelinka was not just maligned. He was made fun of he was called a moron. It was said he didn't know what he's doing. I want to be clear about something very quickly. I'm not giving him the entire credit for finding thirty two million dollars in cap space for the Lakers yesterday, obviously a ton goes to clutch sports. Obviously a ton goes to LeBron James but win the trade for Anthony Davis was made. There was an assumption that rob Pelinka had put the Lakers behind the eight ball. They wouldn't get a max free agent. And in that time in that we can have we have seen several moves made now where the Lakers are in contention to we're having a serious discussion. Stephen a Smith is out here saying, Leonard is now seriously considering the Lakers. We need to give Palinka the credit and I believe with our initial reaction. Some of your little, you're a little bit early. If Pelinka lands, amac's free agent who's like an MVP like if. Forgive Kemba Walker Amax contract. I don't necessarily think that's a good idea for the Lakers. If they get Colli Leonard or let's say, Kyrie Irving or maybe even Jimmy Butler. Okay. Okay Pelinka, you're right in that case he's Oded apology by people like me, but so far, what I've seen happen. The only difference is magic SATA town because anyone like the reason they couldn't get a D when they first tried they didn't have the fourth pick in the draft. The only changes they got the fourth pick in the draft. Magic would've made the same trade. Okay. Now, click sports helps arrange it so they also have cap space. Here's another thing. I don't like LeBron doesn't have as coach. You've a weird coaching situation where you have a guy coming in who looks like a lame duck because Jason Kidd's underneath them coach sports. It was an inside job. All you had to do is don't botch the inside job. And so far they've kind of botched the inside job. Lebron doesn't have is coach there seems to be an issue there, if they get a wire kyri, then the apologies are owed, but not before then. Both of you are wrong under no circumstances is rob Pelinka and apology. Unless one thing happens and one thing only. We find out that his suppose it hell legend be trail of Magic Johnson is, is proven to be patently false because that is the biggest reason rob Pelinka to criticism. I've certainly never sat up there and said he was an idiot or incompetent or anything like that. And I know you're not accusing me of that will cause we spoke about this yesterday. But you know other people may have done that. But I didn't do that. What I'm saying to you is the biggest issue the biggest reason why rob Pelinka within a pup was in the midst of a public storm was because Magic Johnson abruptly resigned. We had heard reports that rob Pelinka had something to do with it because he was stabbing. Magic Johnson in the back and betraying maj. Johnson. And then when there was a question, Mark about that. Magic Johnson came on national television with the cameras rolling, not once but twice I, I take and then on my special on the end to join the NBA finals and said it in the camera that when he was talking about betrayal. He was talking about rob Pelinka. So the fact of the matter is all of this stuff that anybody wants to talk about rob Pelinka getting Davis. We knew that Anthony Davis. Hold on a news eventually come. We didn't know anything. We didn't know win the biggest issue. Rob Pelinka was the relationship with Magic Johnson. That is the most review. He has Steven A and you're right. We ran into each other in the hallway yesterday, and that's the biggest issue for you. Listen very simple question for both of you. But let me say this what I'm talking about. Stephen is the improvement that Pelinka made for the Lakers situation in the past twenty four hours. I am not questioning the reporting of our great reporters like yourself Adrian were now ski. Ramona shelbert, Bobby Marx, who have said that, rob. Pulling did not have this lined up that cap space was compromised. That's what they've all told us. But he has recouped it in the past week and a half putting them on a footing max to maybe if it's the right answer. Bring in Kawai or a kyri, or perhaps break it up and bring in a Pat Beverley or or a you know, another player probably not Malcolm Brogdon because he's restricted but two nice players. Here's my simple question. Both of you. Hold on. Here's my simple questions. Dave nee if the Lakers in a year's time land, Anthony Davis. Another superstar or two less than a level superstars and become the Caesar's odds favors to win it all are. We're not talking about twenty twenty executive year. You might well you can. Could say that you might you hold out that you could say that? But remember when it first went down, we will, like excuse me. I set it right here on I take there's no reason over react. You have to deal you have until July six to get a deal done. There was a debate as to whether or not he should have closed the deal July, July sick, right? The four. All the free agency news right here on I take on Monday. We'll see you then.

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"The. All right. We'll come back to I take coming to you live from the Heineken river Doug appear seventeen another potential Eastern Conference. Final preview last night in the city of brotherly love. It would certainly a playoff atmosphere in front of Billy faithful the Sixers pickup huge win over the Celtics getting that monkey off their back. Ben Simmons had only thirteen points did convert a major three point play with forty seconds left in the fourth to break eight tie game. All right. Steven we've talked about this earlier, Ben Simmons being a liability right now. But here's my question is he going to be a liability for them in the playoffs? He's going to be alive. -bility for them in the playoffs if he can't shoot perimeter shots because they're they're going to dare him to shoot understand. What has transpired with the Philadelphia? Seventy Sixers Brett Brown tells me from the moment that Jimmy Butler, rob. Then he's going to be somebody that we're gonna lean are heavily compla-. Tom initially max day started off by if you remember there was some frustration that was emanating out of Philadelphia because Jimmy Butler spoke up his mentality. I can tell you. I've known for years he gets up five thirty in the morning working on Fridays working on his game. He believes that he's elevated himself in the all star status, which he has. And he didn't come any place to just be standing in the corner and playing the role of spectator, which is what Brett Brown initially had him doing. But he just wanted to gradually bring him to this point where excuse me. You're the guy we go to the close the deal, then they acquired Tobias Harris. Jimmy, Butler Tobias Harris have a real good relationship. They need off of one another really really nicely Tobias Harris, very happy there. We noticed. Brother shoots. We gave him the shots. And we know that Jimmy Butler can hit some perimeter shots as well. Then you've got the elevations of Joel Embiid that brings his entire awesome to the game. But really needed to go into the interior more just to show be that big boy. That he is to give them space to operate on the outside. He's been doing more than that. He's still on the perimeter a little bit too much of my like still dribbling the ball a little bit too far far away from the basket, which I think Brett Brown should correct. Just for my liking. But he's Joel Embiid and JJ Rettig is a sniper a sharp shooter. We get this albeit undecided defensively. Here's where the problem lies last night. You have Boston land off a Ben Simmons and daring him to shoot the basketball. And it's not that he shooting in missing as max it earlier, he won't even tempt a shot. So if you don't attempt to shot, and you're not trying to come across as a threat, you are giving an opposing deepens, the license to cheat a little bit more whether it's on and beat one minute or Harrison Butler the next minute now in a regular season game that may not matter. But I'm here to tell you last night it Marcus smart doesn't get ojected Boston. Probably was that game. Because they might have made they might have been able to get stopped when accounted Jimmy Butler came alive in the fourth quarter. And did those things Marcus water? Somebody would have been defended in that. So you have to look at it from that perspective and understand you're not gonna have those luxuries in the postseason. Ben Simmons is a jump shot away from delivering the city of brotherly love an NBA championship. Its first since nineteen eighty three that is the has how good he is. And that's what a jump shot by him with me to this franchise. But without it. They're going to run in the Boston or Toronto. And I believe they're going to fall because he's not a perimeter threat that you're this season we asked what was the important thing for the Sixers. You mentioned be getting in the paint. I mentioned Simons jump shots. We both acknowledged that. Each is important. Embiid has been in the paint. And that is greatly helped them Simmons still doesn't have a jump shot. So it's not that he wouldn't be better with a jump shot. Of course. I bring this up all the time. It's Dave Ruth would have been a good base. Stealer. He'd have been a better baseball player. Doesn't mean. He wasn't the best ever. Great baseball player. Same thing with Ben Simmons. It's not that he wouldn't be better with a jump shot. It's not that other teams won't exploit the fact that he won't even attempt to shot from the outside. And that won't that could hurt them in the playoffs. It's the idea that he's ali- ability. He is a liability compared to what he might otherwise be. But he's not an actual liability. He doesn't make your team worse. Rondo couldn't shoot he made his teams better particularly in the playoffs. There are many players about history who couldn't shoot, but we're great playoff players including point guards. Or he's really a point forward because of his size and versatility. He doesn't need to just play the point guard of vision go he can guard the physician, so Ben Simmons clearly Steven A. We agree if Simmons could shoot they get out of the east win the whole he was a great shooter shore. He's. This is what he is Ken is Eli ability certainly not defensively offensively. No, not a liability. You can't say, you know, who's a liability JJ Rettig is a liability because he can't defend in transition. Right. Like, there's a liability he can shoot. But when his shot is off what's his value? Simmons can't shoot. His gain is so diverse that even if one thing isn't working he can go to another. He's a great passer. He's a great slashing as great handle four vision. He can play defense on multiple positions. Switch actually take is one on one. He can get to the rack. He can set up for his teammates like he can do a lot of stuff. And when they put them in the dunker position in the dunker spot because of the spacing with the other guys it can work. I think calling him ally ability is going too far even in the playoffs. Well, first of all, I think you're wrong on a couple of fronts. Let's get this point number one. You brought up Babe Ruth and running. Basis or stealing basis. Excuse me. That's still didn't prevent him from being recognized as being absolutely positively phenomenal. This is stalling. Ben, Ben Simmons stature to some degree because we know how phenomenal. He would be. I mean exponentially. So if in the event, he got a jump shot so the affect that not non base running hat. Obey ruth. Is it the same as the effect of a non junk shot having on Benson's number one? Number two, Rondo was a better score in the postseason then he was in the regular season. So let's remember that. Okay. Because when postseason when oppose these Rondo, here's some jumpers point. Was he did it without a shot? Excuse me. He found a shot in the postseason. It was shocking. But it happened. Okay. Oh my goodness. I'm deserting go back to watching them in a postseason against Miami. When LeBron we're in Miami. And Boston was going to get at least. Forty. I mean, that's what happened. Okay. So that's point number two point number three. Let me say this to you. That's blasphemous. What you said about my man JJ Graddick, you say, well, he's off was skews me. JJ Radic is a career forty one percent shooter from three JJ Rettig Israeli off. That's the point about JJ ready. We understand the transition point that you brought up. But what I'm trying to say to you is when you say, well, if he's off, you know, he becomes a liability this year. I haven't I specially earlier in the limits. I sound right now JJ Rettig is one of the great shooters in this game. The if JJ ready, and obviously, I'm no, you're not. I know you're not denying this. I'm not trying to say that you're wrong about it. But if JJ reading head three more inches on him. Do you know put the front the Whitney JT puppy dates? Who's do we look let me put it another way? Who's the weakness on the team? You're going to tell me Ben Simmons. I'm going to. JJ? Let me say this. Let me say this to you. I think that how about this. I think that Ben Simmons is a weekly offensively JJ Rettig is a weak link. Defensively you think JJ Rettig has better offense than Ben Simmons. No, excuse me got school to win. You got to win. And what you're saying Benson. It's can't score. I'm saying that you in the postseason without a jump shot winning really really counts all matching setting yourself. He won't even shoe shoe, but implicitly you are acknowledging that Simmons is a great player to say he's a jump shot away from being so complete that his team will win the whole thing. The Russell, he's not a liability. All you're saying is he can get better. And he can't any Willy's very young. But but max, we're not talking about just as a player we're talking about post-season. And what I'm saying to us in the postseason considering the fact that when we look at the east we're looking at Toronto Milwaukee and Boston I'm simply saying gets those respective teams. Just what you said is being what he is does not going to be enough. Let me be clear Ben Simmons it would adults. He's LeBron pulled up to he's great. Yeah. Yeah. But he's, but he's got to get a junk shot in order for Philadelphia to be able to beat Toronto. A Boston got to be a threat often. What I'm saying? I think even without a jump shot. They got a good shot to beat Boston. Now in terms of him. I'm not going to have a good shot. I'm just saying I wouldn't pick them to be Boston in Thomas in terms of his developing a shot. I believe he will. He's very young. I think there's a very good chance. He does it. It's talk about the max in terms of his ability to help you win right now. He's not taking up some giant number on your cap. He's on his I d. Pacman next next. Hold on ridiculous. When you're talking about this season. Right. And what's the future together to call him, a liability? Because one thing is incorrect. It's different now. All right. You disagree with the point? But stated his season don't bring up next year and five he's a good. He's got a bright future. Nobody is a question that we're talking about this because the playoffs are month away less than a month away. Let's stick to this season who is more of a liability the guy making five million or fifteen million they five million dollar player. Who's who's an all star the fifteen million dollar players one dimensional like if you want to say, there's a liability on on a very good team. The Sixers then you point to read in the starting five Ben Simmons, you're going to need you're gonna need. Ben Simmons to have more offense. You're expecting JJ Rennick to be there because this is a sniper and you need that to. This is sports center right now month on the Collins former Ohio State quarterback Dwayne Haskins better get his suitcase packed the expected. First round draft. Pick has a lot of NFL teams to me the twenty one year old worked out yesterday for scouts and coaches at Ohio state's pro day and afterwards he told Louis Riddick and Todd mcshay. He gave us performance in a and with the draft five weeks away. The jersey native will be bracket up so frequent flyer miles. This is hope once team meetings a whole bunch of flight. So I definitely need a good delta package, but I definitely excited for the future. Man, we keep getting shape can getting very throwing with the guys got a couple of private workouts coming up, according to our NFL insider, Adam Schefter Haskins is scheduled to work off the raiders and dolphins in Columbus. And then he's also scheduled to visit the Redskins Broncos and giants Hurley sources for more or less get you back to I takes. And Haskins scheduled to work out for the raiders dolphins. Redskins Broncos who cares? And the giants on that note. We welcome in former NFL quarterback did or Levski to the show. Dan, good to have you with us. What's going on? Max you which team should draft Haskins? Let's thank. The team that plans on drafting them. I mean, the New York football giants, I believe that they are going to draft him. I think Gettleman is using smokescreens with the press. He's putting it out there that there's really no quarterback in this draft that they like get them is a guy who's been on. Like, I understand that. He he knows what he's looking at. He can evaluate talent. But being an executive is a different thing. I've seen them at the podium answers of question and innocent question by saying, okay. You got me like he got caught in a lie and don't even realize that he was it wasn't even the point of the question of the powder themselves. And I think he thinks that he's doing this off shucks thing when really he thinks he's the cleverest guy in the room. So when you start to hear reports and Diana Rossini's, a great reporter. But if that's what you're hearing from people in your port it. Okay. I think he's putting it out there that I it's it's my conclusion that the giants don't want any of these quarterback. So that they don't have to use. Extra draft capital to move up and they can use the seventeenth pick out fro del for another impact player. But I cannot imagine a scenario you keep allies to be a mentor for a young quarterback young mobile quarterback Noah young pocket passing quarterback. I don't know. How about a guy from jersey? Who's worn a giants jersey to tell people he wants to play for the team and seems to say all the right things and just worked in a classical kind of pro system throwing the ball down the field. Of course, it's Haskins to the giants. Well, that was very very entertaining soliloquy on your part, max Kellerman. But once again, you're making very very little sense. Here is why because before we get to your New York Giants we have to get to all the things you said about James Winston in Tampa who picks two slots ahead of the New York Giants or at least one start at the fourth or fifth. I think the rate is a fourth Tampa's fit. So in other words, if I'm the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, I don't let the Wayne Haskins get to the New York, John. It's all because of the things that you said max, this is one of those arguments where I can literally get a tape of you talking about James Winston. And then I could come back to you and say, are you sure it's the giants because the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have a giant. And according to you, they desperately need a quarterback because you have no faith in James Winston Ryan Fitzpatrick is no longer there. This was a number one passing attack last year in yard. Okay. Now, we know that falls goat because they will one team early in the season first regains when they were racking up five hundred plus yards offense. They Ryan Fitzpatrick. Look like the second coming the Dan Marino for two for three and a half games. The Tony ran into Pittsburgh in the first half that Monday night football game. Even though he almost made come back in the second half. But outside of that with a Mike Evans with an OJ how it would freeze with this guy would God. When in these boys these brothers? They've got weapons of showing Jackson. God bless didn't wanna beat anymore hadn't on personal against anybody. Jameis Winston there's listen he's made some. Mistakes in the past years ago. The bottom line is he seems to be moving into four direction. We wish him nothing but luck with just talking football here as a quarterback we look at him. And we see bright spots. But at times, nineteen touchdowns fourteen inception doesn't seem to be that level of consistency. There the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with those weapons that you have particularly Mike Evans. Why would you let why would you let Haskins fall to the New York Giants when you gotta pick a headed up. Why would you do that? All right. Well, both of you guys are wrong. And I love love love before that man's the giants. The giants are not taking Dwayne Haskins at six although I love him as a player if the giants take a quarterback at six it's going to be drew lock you hear Pat Shurmur talk about how important the athleticism is quarterback needs to move around. That's drew locks game out of Missouri way more than it is Dwayne Haskins. And I really think twain Hoskings is nice player for Tampa Bay. No shot. They're taking a quarterback. Stephen Bruce Arians has loved Jamie. Winston since he was in high school. It's one of the big reasons why he decided to go and sign down in Tampa Bay. They do have some pieces Humphries is moved onto the titans. They have some peaches. Then let let me tell you to teams. I get to pick two teams because I'm a guest of the show today. They gave me inside information. I could pick to Cincinnati Bengals Miami Dolphins Cincinnati. So you're restarting essentially with zek Taylor is your your head coach. Andy Dalton is a good quarterback. But you kind of have an idea what Andy Dalton is who he is. If he goes has twenty five touchdowns in ten deceptions. Is here got another good year. But why not reinvigorate your organization with a young quarterback that played at Ohio State, which is in your state in kinda re- gather some momentum for your football team. So I look at the Bengals. And then the dolphins everyone talks about rebuild and whatnot. That sounds great until next year comes in you have the fourth pick and all that capital that you've tried to gain draft picks you have to get rid of it to go move up and get one of the quarterbacks that you may like an two words from. But you've brought the New England. Patriots wide receiver coach Chatto shade down. It's going to bring an offense. You gotta think Dwayne Haskins is very intelligent. Those are two teams that I look at twenty two. Who? Bengal, Stephen A. Here's your problem about the Jameis Winston point three. They if I were running the box. I would take Haskins and get rid of win Winston in a second. But clearly the books have double down on making Winston for some strange reason the face of the franchise, I think it's a bad idea. But that's the way they're going. Now look at draft daughter when you talk about the brand goals and the dolphins make the most sense to me. However cardinals drafting, I they're taking Cuyler Murray. The Niners have their quarterback. The jets have their quarterback. The raiders are finding out about Derek Carr. Now, I don't think they're gonna use that pick on a quarterback the bucks have doubled down on. Jamie's Winston the first team that comes up who's looking for a quarterback is the New York football giants. The dolphins are the Bengals headed orchestrated deal to jump ahead of them. But what I'm trying to say to you. Listen, you got people thinking this is James Whitson potentially his last year in Tampa. They could go all in for from financial perspective this last year in Tampa, whatever. You got did you draft this future? So as far as I'm concerned, you're looking at Tampa just weeks ago, we were talking about Derrick talk, and we will question whether Jon Gruden. Yeah. He came across this having faith in Derek Hough. But he almost had to because some of the things that he was saying wasn't indicative of a club or coach that have faith in his quarterback. I know Humphries the bottom is still got you still got all these. I'm looking at the weapons that they haven't Tampa. I'm looking at the fact that Sean Jackson wanted it out. Remember, he was supposed to get ten million dollars. But it wasn't fully guaranteed. They were at three they were willing to come up to six that's as high as they were willing to go. He wanted more money got thirteen million for Philadelphia. But that wasn't the only reason he left the Philly. He left wasn't because they went guarantee the ten billion or they're not taking a quarterback that early. Jason light is not taking a quarterback and going Jamie's you're gonna win. John tomlinson. The question was which team should I leave it to you about what they will do but operative word is should. And I'm saying in terms of should I would look at Tampere that's being that one because Derrick Carl he's had in the Kalemba season a couple of years ago before he got hurt you can make the case for the majority of the teams picking top ten top twelve for a reason that they should the likeliest the teams that it's actually going to make sense to those are two different stories should the cardinals you can make. They should've won the raiders should it for the giants should at six the Jags. Don't forget the bears a couple years ago signed Mike Glennon to a phrase in deal, then went and moved up and got Trubisky. You can make the case that they should do it. I just don't see it likely for those teams dolphins Bengals seat happening. Trill. Lock dan. I would like to have a foul. Say that. Bombs on us, and we have to go because speaking of Arizona. Thank you, Dan, Patrick here to tell you about the Dan Patrick school. The sportscasting teamed up with full sail university to create a sports casting bachelor's degree you work both on and behind the cameras and you build skills for the future of sports. So you can connect with audiences. No matter where they are or how they're winning in learn more about full sail. Universities Dan, Patrick school to sportscasting by going to full sail dot EDU slash, Dan. Patrick school. We just saw some trail sex highlights as an old pro with the ravens when you think ravens you think t- sizzle. But he's taking his towns back to Aaron where he played his college ball after signing with the cardinals as a free agent on that. No. We welcome him in throw. Thanks so much for being with us. Thank you. Thank you, all bad. All right back in Arizona. Obviously, you're synonymous with Baltimore spent sixteen seasons they're becoming the franchise's all time sack leader that's incredible in the NFL. But tell me why did you choose to leave sixth? Right. Incredible. Why did you decide to choose to leave? The ravens in join the cardinals. Well, you know, I think I've been asking acts this question, you know, numerous times since it came out that I was leaving. But I think it would just time. It would just time. I felt like they had guys that we believe in the defense kinda in great hands. And it's time for them guys there to kind of take over the reins and has something L. I gotta listen. Let me be more directed to the point is good seeing your, bro. But I gotta ask you. Arizona Arizona after the year last year, he head coach you not Arezzo wanna why Zona. Well, you know, I looked at the the personnel and the roster. You know, just it just seemed like it was a good place. I could fit and I live here on from here. Okay. Mom lives on Zach same street on the cardinals facility. So it just seemed to make sense. You know, me and my agent you'll see that we was talking. It was like says you're not a good chance, you're not playing Baltimore. So if you're not playing in Baltimore where would you wanna play was like, well, if I'm not going to be in the black and purple then I'm gonna go home and play. So it was a motion no decision a comfort decision. More soda and a football decision. It was a love. This is most definitely I love not the ravens organization. You know what I'm saying? I love that team. I love that locked room. My love that building. I love everything about it. And you know ahead. I come back and wasn't says, oh, I want. We didn't want to be forced to put them in a situation. We'll do we keep sill. Do we cut them? So I think it was just a a a great part in ways, and it was outta love, man. And you know, like I said I had to kind of remove myself. So does guys kind of shy. Plus, it's not like they're not giving you seven million dollars to play for them. Congratulations on that too. But by the way, that's a good motivator. Yeah. That's not a bad idea. Are you going to part with any of that to get your number fifty five on that team because Chandler Jones? Now has that number. Have you guys linked up without that? All pro channel Jones has that number. So kind of his team him and Patrick Peterson. You know what I'm saying? I think it's only right that we leave fifty five in black and purple. So definitely will be a number change. And we just don't find something that fits. But that being said what are your expectations for rather? Better question since you're now, a member to Arizona car knows. And clearly, you ain't shy about letting people know how you feel what direction. Do you think the Arizona Cardinals you go in in terms of how to utilize the number one overall pick? Well, there's never really been one thing. Stephen, you know, I think whoever's the best player on the board. I think you know, a team should take. You know, what I'm saying whoever's going to benefit the team and the franchise right away. I don't get paid to make those kind of sesame. So, you know, I don't have a suggestion on they should take. But however, you know, what I'm saying it, whoever comes in just they just gotta make sure he's a guy that's got to be going to be willing to work, and, you know, start building this thing from the ground up. When I hear a great baseball player or a basketball player wants to keep playing even when they're not as good as they once were or something like that than getting older. I'm like may compare the uniform off your keep going keep doing what you love to do and getting paid for it. But when I hear a defensive football player keeps going I start to wonder at a certain point. You got to be thinking how many more times do I want to run through that brick wall? How many more times do you want to run that brick wall? Having played sixteen seasons in the NFL. Well, when you love the brick wall. You know, what I'm saying is kind of what you do you don't mind so much, but you know, time is undefeated, you know, I just. Wanna walk away prematurely? You know what I'm saying? I still love playing football. But you know, it just like. This like money making myth say it. I love the game. But if I can leave, but if I leave the streets still don't love me, you know, is kind of one of those things is like them football. I'm want to be done with football. I wanna be discussed it at the site of football. But right now still love you're gonna make room. I stay a love working out. You're going to make the grid iron retire you. In other words, in other words, you can still play and you're going to keep playing until you can't. Nah. You don't you? Don't wanna put in bad on tape. You know, you don't wanna put it in bad on. You wanna be one of those guys that play long Passi alone pass the time he should have. But I'm pretty sure, you know, Terrell is going to have to have a conversation with sizzle and be like our says, well, you know, it's time for me to come back and take the reins over now. But right now, I think says stale got the driver seat says I got a second job for you interested in me giving you some advice. I got a second job you wanna solve when we stopped playing out for this. Yeah, I'm ready. I love you on ballers will you show up on ball? I love your HBO. I love you on this show. As someone that's one some of the most fun. I ever had like that's like a football field in me. You know on say, I love it. But like I said, you know, I got home for Doug, some company say a team says, oh, we shoot shooting, TV pilots, and we doing a feature films this stuff. All right now football is the number one thing on my plate. So we're gonna do football. And then we're going to get to the film stuff kind of in the summers bag when everything when football taken care of. So it has definitely on on people. To keep that in your pocket draw as a great defensive, obviously when you think of the greatest of all time, and I'll be Ray Lewis's up there. I I watched LT when I was a kid. Bruce Smith and Reggie White. But right now, you've got him come guys in the league in Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack who seemed to me to be other than my guy LT. The as good as anyone I've ever seen. What is your feeling about the state of the superstars on the defensive end of the ball in the NFL right now? I think it's definitely at all time. Highs specially with the emergence of the different media. Streams and social media. A player can kind of, you know, take control over his own brand. And you know, usually that's more of an offense of thing because you know, offense a guy score touchdowns and especially in football. We wear helmets. A lot of guys if we're not throwing touchdowns scorn them like a lot of guys get those kind of notoriety. But for the simple fact that you know, deep into player are emerging like that. I think this is a sensational time for our league and not only that to be a defensive play it. No question. You mentioned a little bit a year off the field projects. But tell me about you got everything about you and boss to movies and a pilot called shade talent those projects. I have a TV pilot as you mentioned bowling TV pilot that would count is in the can we just edit in this stuff? Now about shea is basically kind of a sex in the city meets girlfriend type of TV. On TV show. And I love it. Yeah. There's a lot of energy, you know, women's relationships could be kinda crazy sometimes you'd be like all internal you open your phone. You see some of the craziest things and everything about you pretty much romantic competent comedy that we trying to get, you know, funding for so we could shoot it. You know, independent. Of course, I up there with the spill Burs yet. But I'm going to get there. Please believe and I got another one, you know, is based on a kid based on my cousin actually that was murdered back in nineteen ninety eight. It's called brothers struggle. Be OS. It's a sad in Chicago about a modernizing it. So it's like, a modern modern Chicago film urban film. So looking to get that to you all to is what like that? A lot of range there too at with those projects. Right. They all right. Quarterbacks. Wait, you welcome to come on. And soap operas to you. Welcome to come on soap op, you never know to say, Stephen A ain't gonna take too much Blache gets you against king. James? I we all know chances. Not checking don't be. We'd be watching you. Play in the world. Now, we go there. I listen. I said he's one of the greatest ever. Will you want me to do what you want me to get get you give them give them a massage to? Three top three. Jay play all too. Yeah. Tony assassin in there. You got though Koby there. You guys though, top three was wasn't assassin over who. I'm sorr- m j and LeBron both. Coby over Kareem. Yeah. Oh, the I mean, I wasn't blowing in the savvy. I didn't get to see you avoid again this time I say that's fair. That's fair. Come on the show. Nice to love raw Diculeng. Maybe they went to pull up all you scanner you, right? They'll be respecting the. That. Winning at all again. They're going to be tough. They're going to be tough. But you know to west it's still deep Denver's plan. Phenomenal. Portland like the team that emerges. There's going to be tough. Locker room. You got to be difficult. We really gelling they locker room and the play offs is different beasts, and we all know the playoffs. Anything can happen. It's a different beast. About personalities Gielen. He's a three time champions. What are you talking about? Wait who they look for the cameras, man. Oh my gosh. Come back. Come back. Tuck little NBA with us. That was a lot of. With all the projects and everything in Arizona can come back for basketball segment. Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Brian Bruno live on the scene of a recent windstorm here to describe the event a chest of drawers, there's a storm howling outside. So I thought I'd stay in and watch Aram com. Five minutes into the flick, a tree branch slams through the window. Where are you hurt? I just got a scratch on my chest. Your chest of drawers can't help you in a windstorm. But the guy go insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage. Co gyco to see how a -able homeowners insurance can be what do you think all the player moving all the guys come together? You played your whole career in Los Angeles through the good years in the bag years guy, like Dirk almost feels like this is the end of that time. When does it does it diminish it in any way when these guys go from one place to another team up to try and win? I don't think it diminishes it because everybody's doing it. So you wind up have having a collection of teams that are competing against each other. You have all these super teams compete against each other. So it makes it makes for good competition. Certainly compelling as a fair. But yeah, you're right. I mean, it's different. I remember calling dirt. Back when he was a free agent in I called him. I said, listen, I know, you know. Leaving dallas. I get it. But I gotta make the call. What do you think says? Yeah, you're right, bro. I'm I'm a lifer. Like human. We don't we don't leave. So it's just a different philosophy about it. Calvi with gifts. Mike Greenberg saying super teams make good competition, but he had a different philosophy about during his playing days. He sure did max I are super Tayo when will Kane how did those very rude. It'd be not true introduced, hey. Well. Warning Steven did. It's about time. Max it's like afternoon. Giving us the good morning. It's about noon. All right. Well, good to have you with us. Max, I'm going back to super teams. Are they a good thing for the NBA? Yes. Super teams have always been good for the NBA. The problem is the super duper teams. You know, I had no problem with the warriors versus the Cavs. But when the warriors added Kevin Durant to a seventy three win team. You had an MVP caliber player to a to a t already has three all stars in one of them's MVP caliber. Then it gets like, oh my God come on. You know when the bulls added Dennis Rodman when Jordan came back. It's like all right. So the rest of the league doesn't have a chance, and they didn't and those eras the warriors in the bulls were not as interesting as say when the heat were playing against the Spurs or something like that were especially when the Lakers were playing against the Celtics Lakers and Celtics go head and take a look at those rosters. They were so loaded. It was ridiculous, but they were evenly loaded when there's an imbalance and one team is not just a super team. But one is a super duper team. And no one else is good. It's not as good. That's my issue. Not what super teams go ahead. Well, well, I don't know the technical. Difference between a super team and a super duper team. But I do I Katie. Well, I don't think we have a real substance disagreement max, I mean, I don't want one team standing head and shoulders above everybody else. No fan does because it robs us of drama it robs us of uncertainty. Unpredictability we want the idea that anything could happen. So if you had I don't know four or five six super teams now we're talking about something. But I think we're close to that. Although it's not going to be a super team wants, Katie leaves, Golden State. We're going to have teams made up of two superstars not three and four and the legal be much better. Much more interesting just part with this one thing, Stephen Greenies interview with Kobe was awesome. It was really good. And Kobe is the last of a breed, and you know, what I wasn't the biggest Kobe fan in his day because he wasn't the most likeable character. You know shack was the likable one whatever it may be. But I've come to really appreciate Koby light be damned with like who cares about being liked. Kobe was singularly focused on accomplishing a goal in doing. It in the way that he did it and man as time passes last of a breed. I've come to really appreciate Kobe. Well, first of all, I've always appreciated. I've always loved Kobe for exactly that reason because he didn't give a damn about being like I can relate. I don't give a damn you might try that one day. We'll it were. Oh, please. Yeah. Ability. He's not major golden on new come on get me started. But here's the deal. Kobe wasn't necessarily telling the truth because if you recall Kobe was willing to leave LA he was so frustrated with Jim bus and the Lakers that he was willing to leave. Let's be very very clear about that. Until they pulled off day goes go, Saul heist, go, right and change things around. Here's a Congo. So bottom line is this you talk about the super teams or whether or not they're good for years for for the NBA. I happen to think that there's nothing wrong with having that does what I love about the Yankees the evil empire. Okay. I love that where you're sitting in. Everybody's gonna for you. But there has to be somebody that can compete with you that has shot at knocking you off the when Kevin Durant arrived. No one else had a shot. It was rare. Even when the Lakers were dominant. They would've Celtics liston dominant. What did back to back championships? Okay. But they wanna to get the lake is the first go round they had to go through Boston. Okay. And then they obviously wacked Portland where Michael Jordan and the bulls will making it run. Then what interesting competition in the east with the Knicks the paces and stuff like that. You win against Phoenix will Barclay Molly you win against Stutz Sonics with Jeep the. Love and Shawn Kemp before he became Sean, clump, you had all of those things going on. So all I'm saying is is that again. A team like Kevin Durant so dominant that too much, but a super team not bad that by the way, you're missing remembering I think the bulls era. No one had a shot against the bulls. They destroyed the Knicks took him seven games once and you knew they were going to lose and otherwise. I'm sorry to be so rude this whole segment we had the baseball game. We've got all screwed up started on the do. So we have to get a commercial break in. Well, we'll check you on the Wilkin show three to six eastern ESPN radio. ESPN news. Thank you so much. Thanks. March madness starts today. Sixteen games, and what money called the best day in sports. It's get your predictions for the tournament match you up. I who is in your final four, and who is winning it all Duke, Gonzaga, North Carolina Villanova they hit a lot of threes. Villanova. I didn't want to go all chalk. I really wanted to go all chalk. But okay, I'll pick one I like Duke over North Carolina in the finals going Duke. Can you hate Duke and loves ion because that's me? Do whatever you wanna do. I got Duke, Gonzaga, North Carolina and Tennessee volunteers. That's what I'm going with. And I got Duke and North Carolina meeting for the national championship ACC, and the tar heels will cut down the nets even eighteen enough me because he knows a winner when he sees one. I got to gins AGA Tennessee and UNC I have North Carolina beating Gonzaga Carolina blue again right here. That's why you win those colors even though it's not Carolina blue. What how he sounds like the one that will happen, right? Like rows. Now. I almost don't even want North Carolina. Because Stephen has it a kind of annoys me out of it. But I guess deal on that. Yeah. Again, like Zion hate Duke, max, spend real Stephen a good times steel tomorrow.

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Hour 2: Scott Van Pelt joins

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Hour 2: Scott Van Pelt joins

"This is the Stephen A.. Smith Show podcast gum tower number two. ooh Stephen Smith Show here with you over the National Airways of ESPN RADIO AND ESPN news. For the next hour so eighty eight say espn. The number is eight seven to nine three seven seven. Six straight talk wireless runs on the same four G.. Lte Networks for up to have the cost. Get the unlimited plan with up to twenty five have gigs of high speed data. Then two G. for just forty five dollars a month. No contract straight talk wireless only at Walmart. Ladies and gentlemen. It is my honor and privilege to to be on the other side of the microphone right now. Usually this man is the one doing the interviewing and do an outstanding job at that hosting sportscenter centers in the evening absolutely sensational sportscenter anchor along. Were Golf analyst ambience. He just doesn't offer the family. My honor and privilege to talk to my man and my colleague. My buddy the great one himself. Scott Van Pelt is on the line with me right now. What's going on big time? How are you sir man? Great things are things are a good lot of exciting stuff going on On my end of the world lately in we're thankful solo all of that always happy when when we cross paths. It is fun to be the guy on the other side of the of of being asked questions as opposed to asking you the questions. I enjoyed this. That's right that's right and and I hope you continue to enjoy it because let's get right to it before I even get into some sports. Talk that we've talked about. What does this I'm hearing about? You would a new podcast. It started yesterday the ESP pod. Talk to me about that a little bit. I mean you've got enough on your plate buddy was going on with this. Who are you really telling me? I have enough on my plate. The man that has that has figured out a way to to maximize his ability to be seen and heard across the airwaves and and being really an all in all regards. Look you know what it is and this is the truth radio and you do you do it all you do you. Do you do sports center. You do I take you do whatever you're everywhere everywhere but but radio give you the latitude right and the wiggle room to really go on something and TV man like when you're doing sportscenter on Wednesday ahead of the NBA. That time gets away from you quick. And you know before you blink. You're just starting to get going and then you're out of time. Well a podcast is gonNA give the room to to go and I mean there's no breaks I don't have any commercial breaks. I don't have to do those radio. resets reminding people who are listening to this that and the other thing. If I WANNA talk just go oh and so. The opportunity to to get back into that space was exciting and so we did our first yesterday and We had I I spoke to my Tony Tony Kornheiser about about the fact sports central moving down to Washington DC. I'll be getting back home In the in August For football next year so we got talk about that which is exciting as well. But it's just it's just fun to get back in in a space where you have as much space as you'd want. What can people expect expect from you when they listen to you your pockets? I mean they. Obviously everybody was listening to you when you were doing radio a few years ago because you have done it all I wanna WanNa know what you missed about it. Most I know you just alluded to it but I want to know if you could elaborate on what you missed about most and what do you find yourself doing now with this podcast that you may not have done when you were hosting your own radio show a few years ago. The best example I can give is like we had. It was really cool last year. The playoffs We have Patrick. Beverley come on you know Patrick. He's he's his stories is auto came out. The mud came out the mud. As they say right didn't wasn't a five star Guy Guy didn't have a past if it's some others has but he made it and and we talked to him after he got his. You know. Got The bag and got that big contract and We got going. We're talking for a few minutes and I said my final question Patrick. He was like he was offended. He's like final question like down the hill to talk to you and I started laughing. I realized you know five minutes. That's not worth it. That's not worth the drive so I think what what what I WANNA do is really get into stuff. You know you start talking to Patrick. We're television doesn't allow us to talk about overseas talk about being you know maybe overlooked slept on however you WanNa put it you know and really talk about getting to to the point where he is now he was a great example of somebody. We must have talked for fifteen twenty minutes but on sportscenter we got you know got maybe the best five or six minutes. Well I want I want the people here all of it. It's the good the bad you know really exploring the conversation that you can have with someone. That's really interesting like him And maybe like maybe Also a musician. Maybe somebody totally off the beaten path. Could maybe it's an active. Maybe musician. Maybe it's an author I I don't know but podcast give you that latitude to really talk talk to people that the interest you people who inspire you That you can you know. Keep your listener company when they're on the train driving to work or you know putting the key after I put the kids to. I bet at night whenever they can find you and I laugh Stephen I mean like the world needs another cat. God knows everybody's got one you know but I just through my head and it's interesting you say that we're talking to Scott Van Pelt right here with Steven A.. On the Stephen Smith Show. ESPN RADIO ESPN news. Because you give commentary on Sportscenter as well you don't just do a good the job hosting a great job hosting it and doing interviews and going over highlights but you also have awesome commentary as well. I find that the commentary that I give on the radio you which basically comes extemporaneously. I mean it comes off the cuff. Most of the time. I'm no you know you know the information and you just reacting to respond to it and then you just you your spill wanted wanted. That actually helps me when I go on I do. You anticipate that during the podcast will make you even better. If that's imaginable that make even better at hosting hosting sportscenter once you get back into the world of audio. I think so. And it's kind of you to say it. I mean I think there's no question Stephen Eight that the doing radio radio helped me figure out how to tighten up my chops on television and then the ability to to like to talk about them on television and then think okay. Well when I have room then I'll take it back over to a place where I've got more. I mean all I did on on my first podcast really was talking about the national title. Talk about it. Does your guy that was was laugh out. Was the punchline. People thought he was a clown. But you know who's laughing now. He was the perfect guy at the perfect time. And and I took some of the elements of what happened on Sportscenter to the podcast. There's no question and I and it doesn't surprise me to hear you say what you just said that that on on radio it's it helps you be better at first take and vice versa. Look we're all in the content business and certain certain lanes require you to provide the content in a different way and I as I've said now several times I just I amidst the lane where I had all the room I wanted to go And it's my hope anyway if that's what happens if that's the people know what to to get they know what they're gonna get from me me In one space. Maybe they'll get something a little different in the podcast world. So that's my hope. Anyway there's veep Scott Van Pelt helps new podcast is now available on his first episode. Scott here's from Tiger Woods Matthew mcconaughey and Tony Kornheiser check out new episodes every Tuesday. Wherever you you listen to his podcast as V part by the way on another note sportscenter? Now you've been doing it from Bristol all of these years you move into the nation's capital my man tell us about that I mean they're Scott van pelt in the nation's capital why the nation's capital Scott Van Pelt and and. Are we going to see anything different there than we've been seeing in Bristol leads us maybe Look you're from New York City right. I mean we know that you're from Hamas rice so when so when you take back from Bristol to to to where you're from That's that's a beautiful thing to get back his home his home. And I've said a million times Stephen Awol from somewhere. And that's where I'm from you know I'm from AH SAY DC. Just I'm just north of Maryland. But you know to. DMV's all kind of the same thing and so you know. I asked our bosses that that will be a possibility and they were very gracious to consider it and so starting next year for football we'll be back at home. We'll be doing things from there and look I am. I'm a proud. ESPN ESPN lifer. And I'm proud of Bristol and it'll still be Bristol. The home base but we don't get a chance to to cross paths with as many people in Bristol as we can't in Washington DC see. Let's just be honest about that. There's more people who come through and so my hope is that we can take advantage of who is in DC in terms of sitting down. It'd be face to face with some of these Athletes where Now we just simply don't have that opportunity so my hope is that That will lend itself to to to more face to face time with with these folks because as you know those conversations are just better when you're face to face and I just think the idea of being all man being close to family that can only help you know your soul and make hugh happier human being and so that's I'm really really grateful that they were willing to give me that opportunity. And we're going to try to continue to elevate and magnified the stories and try to lift him up and and do do it the way we do. It couldn't get couldn't think of a better answer than that. We're talking to the Great Scott Van Pelt right here with Steven A.. ESPN RADIO RADIO ESPN. Let's get into some of this the sports business. Because you've been all over it as out as I this scandal involved in the Houston Astros ultimately the GM managers Fide Alex. Cora was the bench coach for twenty seven world series champion Houston Astros and then was the manager for the two thousand eighteen world series champion. Boston Red Sox is now been released. They say mutually agreed to part ways of what you listen to all of reports and obviously he was on his way out the door because of the scandal. What do you make of this? How bad had is all of this for the Sport Baseball guestimation Scott before we start? I JUST WANNA know. When part ways became the new way we say got you but fire by like? It's funny. It's time to sanitize way to run. They fired him. Let's be let's call it what it is but I honestly like I don't I don't I try not not to overreact right. I pride myself trying to like take inventory and ask myself. How serious is this? I believe this all right. I believe that that if you organizationally nationally we're cheating I think it's worse than PD's and I think it's worse than PD's because it is a organizational commitment to to cheating sitting in a way that everyone the game knows you. Shouldn't if I could feel your size when I was second base that's on you. You need to do a better job with your side but if I'm using like espionage. BNI's I'm using cameras and I'm banging trash cans and everybody in the room is in on it. That's worse to me and I take. I find it so ridiculous. This sport Stephen Polices itself and takes such pride on playing the right way if a guy has the audacity not to one out of fly ball people yell at you. Shouldn't you shouldn't play that way. If a guy hits a home run and enjoys the view for a minute right they say he keeps it or cadillacs they get mad at that got. Well hold on. Now you're gonNA entire organization using cameras and battered trash cans. That tell people with pitches. It's just coming that's garbage. That's not playing right way. That's cheating and I think it's worse than the idea of PD's I really do and there's people that'll disagree and that's fine. We can disagree. I'm I'm just telling you how I see it and so I believe what baseball is doing. And what the Red Sox chose doing which Houston chose to do is what should be done. You have to send a message that if you're the manager and it happens ends on your watch that you'll pay you'll pay the price because this cannot happen. Did it catch your attention that no active players. I have been implicated in any of this. When it's clear that they had to be complicit after all if you're pounding on trash cans to give them an indication as to what pitch is coming? Ming the obviously accepting that Intel from which to me would make them complicit. Fine are you are you did it. Strike you as a tablet art that we haven't even heard from the Commissioner of Major League Baseball on player actions in all of this. Here's what the analogy I made in our meeting the other night. And maybe as I I don't mean to be you know flippant here but I like if there's like back in the day in highschool if there was a word that work out the so and so was having a party at their house and it turns out that the parents knew and then the cops came and busted up the party. Will the cops say to the parents hold on now. You knew that your children were having a take part in your backyard. It's the parents that would get in trouble because you're not going to arrest every single kid because there's too many kids involved it feels like there's just too many players for them to police and so you're going directly to the top of the parents in this analogy the GM and the manager and saying you're the ones that are going to pay and then that that message will be disseminated down among the ranks of those people that were cheating because it seems like it must just be too many people for them to to corral. That's my only guest but yes it does seem odd Unless unless you just feel like we can't get rid of entire team for years you know what I mean Scott. I'm looking at a guy like pete rose who's been banned from baseball for life gambling scandal all know that story I also recalled the black sox scandal of nineteen nineteen. There was a world series. Involved there when you think about the egregious things or at least the things that Major League baseball. An avid lovers of major league baseball with fide egregious to the on degree. Wish should this fall in that line man again. I Like I'm saying to you that I believe organization I it's as bad as it's as bad as any because it is it was organizationally understood like the go back to the black socks you're talking about. Ah a finite number of players that were allegedly involved if Pete Rose case many times. He's betting on himself now. We all know you're not supposed to bed in baseball and we all know. Oh science dealings part of baseball. Tim Kirch told me on Sportscenter last night. He loves that. That part of the game when you're doing it deal fashioned way. I'm just staring at you trying to figure out if I you can pick something up. But when there's an arrogance and organizational arrogant even everybody said Houston had the way they carry themselves as if they were above the fray and then it turns is out that they would that they were all in on an and did nothing. Then I would say that that raises to a level of being as bad as anything. That's happened because everyone is the in on it. So when everyone's in on it you tell. What's the worst thing you can do to me? It's that to me. It's it's as bad as anything that you could do now. This is where this is where people will push back and say everyone in baseball was doing well. If everyone's base in baseball is would have been baseball has got a real real problem and they have to sort that out. Scott Van Pelt. Get out here. I WANNA say this. I don't know too many people as compassionate as you are particularly over the airwaves. Considering the fact acted hinch allude now now Alex Cora have all lost their jobs that Carlos Beltran could be the next one in line to suffer. Similar consequence are you you of the mindset that these individuals are finished in baseball or do you believe in the land of second chances that indeed there may be one for these guys. I am not the guy that said that like like the cancel culture as they call it in life. You make a mistake and that means you're supposed to be done forever. I I don't I I don't need them. I don't endorse that because we all we all make mistakes. I think what baseball did in suspending before year. Send a strong message. I think what crane the the owner did was a real neat trick where he manages to come in and look real noble at wasted and really five million dollars to a billionaire. And it's not. It's nothing nothing. I don't think he paid enough But long answer to your question yes I think eventually he should. These guys should have a pass back on with the clear understanding banning. That what they did they can't do But I'm with you on Pete. Rose Man I mean I I listened and I and I've said for years the guys like bonds and clemens and whatever else how would you take guys whose accomplishments whereas was great as they were in and wrap them up and put him in a garbage bag and say they don't they don't count. It's suppose fascinating that way and I look. I played it going up. But I'm not one of the old school traditionalist that hangs on to all of these ideals because I think you know they were horrible rotten. People you know tie crop was a racist you know like where do we draw on what we what we police them. What we built So I guess in the end what I'm saying is I think these guys can have a pass back but I think it's been. It's very clear that baseball has said that there needs to be titled He paid and it's and it's clear it's going to be steep ladies and gentlemen and he is the host of his very own new podcast the SV pod he is also ESPN's late night sportscenter anchor one of the best to have ever done it. My buddy the one Donovan. Only Scott Van Pelt you can check him out every weeknight practically as far as I'm concerned Scott Van Pelt appreciate you. Love you Bro. Congratulations on everything. Keep marching forward my man and you you steal a you know a big for many years and you know all my my my respect both publicly privately. You know it's It's rooted in respect and I send a white back your way. Thank you for your time. Appreciate it man to take it easy. See you tonight. The one Guy Van Pelt right here Stephen. ESPN RADIO ESPN news. Eight say ESPN. That's in at eight seven to nine therese seven seven six by the way twenty twenty. It's GONNA be your year right. Joined that gym. Start that diet now. How about getting out of that job and into into a career there are millions of unfilled cybersecurity positions in the US right now? The Korea is training people to fill them no. It experience or education no problem. It's not rocket doc insights. It's market beauty career dot. 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I can't during the day when I'm not required at work but I am calling to talk about the Houston Astros I think there is a way to attach catch the players and that is to find every single player on the team one year's salary even if they get traded and it goes somewhere else. It's one year salary. Eighty for each player. I think the title has to be taken away Tom. I whoa. WHOA WHOA? Whoa do you have any proof that those players that you want to to fine I involved? Are you talking about players. Who are discovered to have been complicit? Are you talking about just plays across the board. Well everybody's banging in the drum and everybody knows what's going on. I haven't seen where anybody said nobody on Houston was involved. I think it's player wide. And and if if you're having trouble if you if you suspend them they lose the team for the following year but if you find them in their pocket where it really hurts everybody's negotiating for money everybody's negotiating associating for a contract or hit. The players there involve. I think everybody's involved myself. I think there's everybody knew exactly what was going on One thing to touch on in the NFL that you talk about cheating with filming the science that the Patriots did on the say Bengals in. NFL You have the coach talking to the quarterback up until maybe eight to ten seconds before they hiked the ball. So that's a little bit different angle than what baseball is doing. I went it to game. Seven of two thousand seventeen. I'm dodger season ticket holder angel season ticket holders. There I was there I saw. I saw you at the game and The thing is is we were sitting there saying they almost no what's coming. They almost no. And we don't even know the drums anybody out to get anybody out. Absolutely we're downsized nothing in the second inning But here's the thing when you say why did Dave. He's Robert's not know victor drums banging I don't know if you recognize the name Logan Morrison but he did play for the Yankees after the dodgers and he it came out yesterday and said the dodgers and the Yankees both kind of issues with stealing signs. And here's a baseball player. That came out and said day yesterday live. So He's saying if you're going to stop stop stop. Stop Stop Right there. What do you mean what? What did they mean when they said both the the Yankees and the dodgers had issues with stealing science? What exactly did you mean by that statement that you said they said Ed if you WANNA try to pull up Laura Logan Morrison? I'm reading from what logo was asked. What what was your interpretation Sir? That's what I'm asking you. What was your interpretation of what they said? Logan Morrison said if you're GONNA convict Some of the people you should convict them all. And he's mentioned the dodgers and the Yankees yesterday in an interview. And I can pull it up on my phone and read it to you but if available available if you look it up Morrison I'll look it up. I'll look it up. Thank you very much for the call. Appreciate it Gary. Thank you so much Jeff Alive Stephen. Hey what's up yes Thank call I find it hard to believe that Like the last caller says that all the players on the team didn't know. Oh what was going on and I feel you pass on your opening parliament. I was getting really ugly thinking about that. I think that the whole Dangam team should be players. Players should be suspended and bring up the brothers and sisters and triple A. to come in Take their place for minimum salary. I don't know I'm just throwing something away way. Maybe some self policing like golf. Maybe problem with the I think the problem with that. I think the problem with that is no way to play his associations GonNa let you get away with that no way to get away with that. They'll fight to the death on that. Thank you thank you for the call. Having Some Technical Difficulties Ladies Gentlemen I Apologize For the delays and the response usually quit in that. Let's go to J. P.. You live with Stephen. It's something Steven. Thanks for. Taking my call much respect wanted to just the players the ruined the integrity of the game. You know these guys were just flat cheating not just stealing signs or picking up pitcher maybe tipping pitches. Or you know. These guys were using electronics. They were all evolved. I played baseball team. We know. Hey listen for this or watch for the thank God we done with the player. All right. We'll give me an example. What you think should yeah? That's what I want to. I don't know what you do but you know mm-hmm spend them all that means. The Astros sent out a year or the red. I will tell you this. I don't know if you could pull adopt my boy. Jeff Brown and California states that you know what I make them forfeit the first fifty games sees and I said but what are you doing to the fans if you do that. They're not guilty of this and that's where I draw the line. I don't think that you can punish the fans but if there was a way to punish the tea for fifty games I would do. It even goes deeper that You got a maybe a young kid. Just came up into the league him him he gets lit up by the Astros and he never gets a chance again. They sent him down and he goes back to double A.. And you know you just never know what they have done by literally literally just flat cheating. You know cantor way. I'm looking at the fact I'm looking. I'm looking at the fact that they won a championship this way they wanted to championship. This way can be a lot of things that came from and it just I can't believe in how to veigh or a lot of respect for the guy and just a not not right fifty hotel it is I would. Are you ready for this. Are you ready for this. Jp I listen. I love aalto. Vase my favorite astro. But I'll tell you something right now. I would accuse him him of being tipped off about a role this chapman. If aroldis Chapman wasn't such an idiot throwing back to back eighty seven miles per hour Slow Slaughters for crying out loud. You Ain't gotta be you ain't gotta be tipped off about our oldest. made the majors throwing heat and going to show up going going back to back. Eighty seven miles per hour slots I mean. That's eighty Arctic. Appreciate the call. Let's go to fill you lava. Stephen what's up Phil good afternoon. What's going on Steve Name? Miniature boy feels the systematic college more couple of times since about the stationery thing. Win The super bowl. You can cost me a couple of times but I just want to show the man. I'm a driver live man. You gave me to my eighth one at three and I know I'm being selfish. Man You know I want you to stay you big obligations that you know. Congratulations to you. Ma'am and one more thing. Anita say tomorrow or Friday you could start to show off by saying cut. The Dan user doors. That is my favorite everything. That's funny. Cook China Big Bro. Thank you thanks a lot man. I appreciate you. Thanks so much man and my dog is being in the city of Cincinnati football team. But that's just me. Let's go to Josh Alaba Stephanie. What's up Josh? I want to piggyback off. Phil Man I I love when you cut the damn music especially when you go on your Knicks Ramp Passion. You have just like that passion asking You bring to your job every day with work in just I just wanted to say I was thinking the same thing with the Scott Panda. Scott Van Pelt interview about that podcast. You love to talk extemporaneously. And that's why we love you so much and it's GonNa be tough not to be able to get you to talk about something for twenty thirty minutes and then you you jump out after after a commercial break and you got more to say about where we love you on. I hate but you can only talk so long with Max Kellerman there and everybody else on the panel so so I I just hope you know what you said yesterday Josh. Yeah let me ask you this question Josh. You've you've been listening to me for a long time have you. Not yes I have. Do you really really think I'm GonNa Start with just I eh stay. I think you'll be everywhere but like I said if you get on someone else's fill like Scott van pelt. He can only talk to you for five minutes. I WanNa hear you longer than five minutes. Then I start getting into it. I'm not saying that's what I'm trying to say to. Oh you do you think. I'm just going to stop them. Stay tune I got okay. I'M NOT GONNA disappear. I promise you that all right. Thanks a lot bro. Appreciate the love man. Let's go to Nino you live with Stephen what's up. Hey what's up Steven A.. I who who are wanted to say No sound like a Nino Brown. You don't sound I the listen I've been trying to call for the last couple of days. 'cause I heard that you know this is your last week on the show and you do a phenomenal job. And even though I'm a Die Hard Dallas Fan I love you and I and I liked the fact that you keep a real but that's another story. Now the reason why I wanted to talk to you is the whole thing with the baseball scandal. Now some of these players make twenty five thirty thirty five million dollars a year. And you know. I'm a diehard Yankee Fan. I bring my family there in. Everyone's wants telling me like. Hey you know what everyone's doing it but the thing is defense didn't know that this was going on because the truth. If I knew that this was going on I wouldn't even even go and the thing is I knew that one of these days technology and and all the money that they make it's all about wins and losses and how many people go in there. I'm I'm telling you they're GONNA lose a lot of fans and you know what if you have to get rid of all the players that were involved they have AAA AA. Bring those guys up there. We're not making all the million dollars. I just think whoever was involved they should be fin find band whatever they need to do. I'm really ticked off. Because I I spend a lotta good money to go see games and to know that people were cheating and people have lost jobs and people have gained positions like Cora. Now that you know could you imagine how New York Yankee fans and Los Angeles dodger fans are feeling feeling right now. Oh yeah absolutely I mean you know two thousand seventeen were one game away you know and then you look at the Red Sox. They wanted two thousand thousand eighteen and to me. It doesn't matter from the Yankees Fan or your arrest saying if you're a true heart baseball fan like I am. I've been following baseball for over forty years. I that it doesn't matter. How about you? How about sports integrity man integrity? It was well. Let me ask you this. It's like attended ended a day because they make so much money. Integrity is out of there. there's no more self pry. Why haven't any of the players have emit like be a man about it? Just be like you know what yes we cheated. And I'm sorry and we'll move on. I haven't heard that that's hold on hold on hold on. That's it's fair but you know what makes it bad about the manages. Ua playing it's your job to use your brains to facilitate successful successful your players and you cut corners. You ate out there. You Ain't swinging Edet. I mean that that that makes it even worse for you to be somebody for you to be somebody that ain't even playing and only thing you gotta do is manage Joe Ball Club and even then you cheat. It's just agree GIS man it really is the call man thank you so so much. Let's go actually. Let's go to break it at eight say. ESPN it's seven to nine. Three seven seven six back with your phone calls in to close out the show in a minute. You're listening live Stephen. ESPN RADIO ESPN news. By the way it's time for some straight talk the big wireless carriers try to why you would pick deals. But the savings are very we little with straight talk wireless you get the exact same networks as the big guys but saving up to half the cost right now you can get the unlimited plan with the twenty five gigs of high speed data. Then two G. for just forty five bucks a month. No contract no mystery fees all nationwide coverage on America's largest and most dependable four G. L. T.. Networks Straight. 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I know there's differentiation between the a few types of cheating that happened but you were calling for other you know. NFL coaches to emulate that that kind of quote unquote egregious behavior but for the MLB. He wanted to because they didn't they didn't bust bill check. My whole point is that this man has won six championships and has been to nine super bowls now complaining once or twice. That's one thing if you're complaining six seven eight different times this continues to win without you saying there's a definitive violation. Then how come somebody hasn't figured out how to emulate major league. Baseball came down with a heavy hand. I said nothing until the NBA will be suspended them for a year and then explain why and then in the aftermath the manager the owner fired them in the case of Bill Belichick deflategate. Nothing this latest incident. The Cincinnati bengals still pending. We're waiting my point. is they're complaining about this man just two thousand and one and appointed time either catch him or in emulate them. What are the you? Don't get to Y.. Moan and complain about ought to do but leave him in the position no punishment whatsoever while he continues to hoist trophies. At some point time somebody finished up now. Yeah so I mean. In your opinion you were the head of it. Would you come down harder on them then just for integrity fake for the sports coats. I if ah excuse me you don't get to answer. Ask me a question and then answer it for me my dear you must let me answer it. Okay thank you. If I'm the Commissioner Commissioner and I find evidence coming down just as hard as manfred but if I'm a coach and I see that they come down on Bill Belichick well Dan. I'm GonNa do it too you. It's very simple by thank you for the call. Call me back tomorrow when I have more time. Let's go to Alex Real quick. You Lava Stephen. Go Ahead Alex. Thanks for having me. I'll get right to it so you brought up a really good point. I mean if we could suspend the Astros for fifty games to where they wouldn't play I that would be an ideal world right but you can't punish the fans you know the least you know. They're the last people you WANNA punish. So why don't you punish the players. You know shame the players is to where they're not gonNA WANNA do in the future. You know anyone that take away their rings make them turn in their rings take the trophies away find them respective the trophy standards of their salary and then chain the players. You know. Nobody's tuning in to see manager. Those like that but I mean I I think the way go you know hurt that way. Notice now notice how nobody noticed. Nobody mentioned the players until I did. Because that's what I've been talking about. They they clearly were complicit implicit bag you're not banging trash can and left. The play is listening and following your instructions. They were complicit played. Played a simple appreciate the call. Let's go to Michael Real quick. You only got about thirty seconds. Go ahead Michael Base giving. I want to say that that I agree with you completely on the Pete Rose I idea here. They're not gonNA come down harder on them than what they did to make an example where other teams refused to do it. They need to waste the the the vein on Pete Rose Today. They need to put him in the hall of fame. This year hundred day I agree with it. One thousand percent correct. Listen this pete rose worse than this. The black sox scandal although that was playing. That's not a team manipulate things. It's still manipulated a world series it compromise integrity of the game. I think those rings. He's confiscated from the Players Championship trophy. We should be confiscated from Houston Astros Facilities Type Day turned day they go to Houston and take it from them. They didn't earn it very simple to me. ANYTHING ABOUT PAYROLLS GUINEAS WE. 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Atheist Experience 23.22 2019-05-26 with Matt Dillahunty & Don Baker

The Atheist Experience

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Atheist Experience 23.22 2019-05-26 with Matt Dillahunty & Don Baker

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And after some discussion we're going to postpone that failure because Don walk should be hosting the show next week with Phil, and you may have time to get there. We're not sure yet, but we'll see. But there's something that I actually need to address because I promised, I would, and there were bunch of questions that came in. I'm going to try to not let this take up too much time. But since the goal is to get people good information and answer some questions. I'm going to do that. Some of this was addressed on talk even earlier, I was on with Jamie. And we got a call about the issue. A lot of you may not even know what the hell's going on. I don't we had a scandal. Yeah. So for those who've been watching. We had not only Alex O'Connor on Stephen Woodford, who's also known as rationality rule was on the, the show two weekends in a row while he was kind of quasi Keishing here in Austin. And after the first visit to the show there were some people who express some very serious concerns about a video that Stephen put up that was perceived fairly accurately as potentially transphobic, and it was about fairness in sport. Yeah. And then not really an atheist talk. Most of this has nothing. Well, none of this has anything to do with atheism, but it is part of the community, and as a as a community of humanness as a community of people who are trying to build a community where people feel welcome. It was most definitely an issue. So I'm going to give you the rundown for my perspective, because what I've seen happening is a lot of people, I've seen some people who literally don't know dick about what's going on decide to go out and create some drama on the interwebs people who have nothing to do with the ACA or the rationally rule or the trans community have decided to go out and throw their two cents in, which is problematic. And it leads to acusations that so, and so's the transphobic, or in one case, there was somebody who I evidently irritated, six or eight months ago who's decided to pronounce a white supremacist, even though that has nothing to do with any of this. I I'm not. But how would I prove it? So let me tell you what happened. I left the American atheist convention in Cincinnati. And. To Dallas Texas for the faithless form about I got their day or two early. So we could watch the in game premier and that was where I got to meet and hang out with a bunch of the YouTube community that was there for that conference, including Stephen now, Stephen, and I had met in person once before briefly, which I sorry, Stephen, I, honestly, don't recall. But I'll take his word for it. And we'd had some discussions online as well. And yes, I can read, I'm getting to it. It's literally the second thing in my notes. But thank you. When I'm telling you all this. It's important for you to know I am not the ACA. I don't speak on behalf the ACA anything I said shouldn't be construed as the position of the. I'm also not the eighth east experience. I'm the host of it. I make some decisions regarding the show, but I'm not speaking on behalf of anybody, but me and everything that I'm going to tell you has to by definition becoming from my perspective, and I'm not going to be telling you too much about how other people feel unless I've actually spoken to them. I got there. I met the gang we sat around and talked at one of the first things that somebody said is Steven A released video about transforming in sports, and it was being viewed as transphobic. And there was somebody who had released a takedown video saying, here's the bad arguments that were made and everything else, and it was becoming a thing. And there were discussions about whether or not this was targeted at doing harm to fables for or whatever else. But that wasn't my concern. I wanted to find out what was actually going on over the next couple of days before the faithless forum thing, there were several conversations with Stephen about this, and not just with me. But with other people who were there, too, and I can tell you that every single time this came up, Stephen had exactly the same response. I fucked up. I said things that were insensitive. I understand why people are thinking, they're transphobic. I made factual mistakes. And when I get back to the UK, I'm going to be posting an apology in a correction in an update to my position on the issue. But you know what that wasn't good enough for me? And that wasn't good enough for the other people at faith forum, who I want to give. Massive props to for the way they've handled all of this, merely saying, I fucked up and I'm gonna policies isn't enough. If this is going to be an issue, there's no way, I can, you know, put somebody who's toxic on the show until this is resolved. So over the next day, or so we had a number of conversations until I was satisfied that he at least mostly understood what, what the problems were both with regard to the facts. And with regard to the trans community's perception of it. I understand he didn't and still doesn't fully grasp this from the perspective of the transfer. And nor do I we can't, I don't have that lived experience the best. I can do is listen and try to empathize. Because this hadn't become a big issue when we had Stephen on the show, the first time I decided we weren't going to talk about it. We talked about talking about it. We talked about coming out and saying, hey, there's been, you know, kerfluffle about your video, and would you like to dress, it says, Stephen could say, yes, I made a mess. Steak and I'm gonna be apologizing correcting it but we decided I decided this was Stephen screwed up when he made the video I screwed up when I decided to not have talk about it. The decision was made to not talk about it because this show has a big audience. And I didn't want to give the problem more legs than it already had because I was confident that it was going to be at least mostly if not totally resolved after he got back home. That was a mistake, and for that, I apologize, especially if I had known that the board of directors was going to be releasing a statement at some point, we definitely would have talked about it on the show. But there were a number of communication breakdowns that happened. So that I didn't know that that was going to happen. I understand you're not privy to my private conversations until I tell you about him. And so there were plenty of people who didn't know that all these conversations was going on that Stephen was in town for a week and a half and much of the time was actually spent talking about this. You know. Yeah, they did some fun stuff. And yeah. We talked about other projects, but there was a lot of discussion about how. What to apologize for what needs to be corrected. And that led up to the second Sunday where Stephen was on the show again. But what happened is showed up the studio. It was going to be me. And Phil, who was vice president of the we had a conversation, the back and I said, how do you feel about all this, you know, always thinking maybe having Stephen on? And at this point, nobody on the board and talk to us or relate any concerns about this as a as a potential issue, and I'm sitting there with, at least, well, the two members of the board in the president, vice president. But that's a different issue. But Phil said, hey, look, I have to go, so why don't I do like half the show in Stephen camman for the second half. And you know that was his decision. And so we did that. And then Stephen left and flew back to the United Kingdom, thinking, everything was okay. So for my perspective. There have been lots of conversations with someone, I'd gotten to know someone I genuinely view. Him somebody who was and is supportive of trans rights, who had a rather. Pedantic view of fairness in sports us to the point where he couldn't even see how this or was unable to see at the time how this was going to affect the broader trance community at that was definitely one of Stephen's blind spots, there from my perspective, again, giving you my perspective, we did the second show Steven leaves thinks that he's going back to everything being fine lands. And UK's getting ready to start on his apology video and everything else when the list of statement, that has been portrayed as them, denouncing Stephen and apologizing forever having them on the show. Now, the language of that statement isn't even really being fairly construed by some people go you called, Stephen transphobic. No, they said that what he said was transphobic. And there's distinction between saying use said or did something that's transphobic, and you are a transphobic. But sometimes those distinctions get lost, especially when people get heated. And when somebody like St.. Even who thinks he's just spent two weeks of his vacation having long conversations about something he screwed up. And now thinks that everything's gonna be fine. He lands, and the announcement comes out that is now either the hottest fire in front of him, or it's gasoline poured on existing fire. And so he immediately addresses that from the standpoint of the trans community who not privy to any of these private conversations. This is a situation where somebody said some stuff that was terribly transphobic poorly researched that portrayed tired old arguments about trans people and trans rights, and especially pertains to sports in a way that, oh my God. Do we have to address this again? Why didn't this guy is research? And then he was platform d- multiple times by the ACA. And when they complained about the ACA apologized, and then the ACA shortly after decided to retract that apology and issue, a much more clear statement. And the problem is, is that when stuff like this happens, there's. Nothing that anybody's ever going to be able to do that's gonna make things really better or make people really understand. So Stephen video was immediately accused of carrying more about, you know, him being slighted by the than he does the trans community and maybe he does I don't think it was unexpected or unreasonable that somebody would land and feel backstabbed, or, or blindsided and react to that I because from his perspective, the other thing is heady they're already been partially taken care of already posted that he was gonna polish is he was had started working on the apology since then he's posted the apology, which I'll get to in a second and taking the monetization from the original video and donated that to a trans charity, also he was getting feedback from multiple people, including different opinions from within the trans community. So there were trans people were telling him. Hey, I video you know, wasn't transphobic or it wasn't that bad. And there were other people were saying it was the most awful thing ever, or something close to that level of hyperbole. And when you're in that position your. Feedback. That's frustrating when you're getting tons of feedback, it's really hard to act properly in, in a quick fashion. So we, we as humans tend to cut our friends and our family slack, people think that, oh, Matt Scott bias in this because Stevens, his friend well to be fair. I don't think it would been. I don't think it'd been fair to call Stephen friends until at least partway through that week that he was here, because we hadn't spent that much time talking to each other prior to that, you know, an online discussion or whatever, but I won't claim that I'm not bookfest what I will say, is that I tend to have friends for good reasons and I genuinely think that he's a good person, and it's worth pointing out that so is everybody else involved in this these at every step of the way you're talking about good people who had the best intentions, who either were acting without sufficient information, or in some cases with potentially misinformation. My perspective coming into that show was, hey, this is going. To be taken care of soon, I have confidence at Stevens going to do this. Let's not give it any more attention than we need. He'll go back and make the apology. And we'll deal with that afterwards. That was a mistake as I've already ignored acknowledged and apologized for after this things start blowing up. There's people who are quick to label anybody. Everybody involved as wrong or transphobic, and the real take that are want wanna put on this. Yeah. I know you guys have no idea. What was going on behind the scenes? There were people who were like, oh, the these YouTubers are just in it for drama, and clicks when the truth is the people that some of us were working behind the scenes with all voluntarily stayed quiet because they cared about the ACA they cared about making sure that this didn't become a terrible issue that people couldn't recover from they felt sorry for what had happened to the trance community. And most of them had talked to Steven about it. They felt sorry about what had happened to Steven because he was blindsided, they felt sorry about what happened to the ACA. Because there were some bad decisions made these were people who were genuinely doing everything they could to make the best of a really terrible situation. It's possible for people to, to react to things in a way that is completely understandable based on their history, their community. What information they have? And yet that reaction is still wrong. It's understandable, but not necessarily excusable it applies to everybody Steven made a horrible mistake or ten in his original video, but when he was called out in question for it. He was immediately saying, yes. Oh my gosh. That was a mistake. And I shouldn't have said that, and I should have included that clip. But the public hadn't seen this yet this is what he was saying to us, which is why we had confidence in him. And I still have confidence in him over that anybody who reads this me, denouncing Stephen has got the wrong impression, I think it was understandable that the trans community objected to having Stephen on the show completely understandable, given the information. They had and everything else. It makes sense to me. I think it was understandable that the board of directors, as a hitter in response to the objections raised by the trans community reacted and reacted in a way that prompted an apology and something that was perceived as denouncement understandable. I think it was understandable, that I had decided to not talk about the issue on the show. But understandable is not the same as excusable or right. And what we had here were good people trying to do the right thing in a really terrible situation. And a lot of people screwing things up. I was mad at the board of directors because I felt that they blindsided even a little bit. And I was also mad because they made that announcement without ever talking to the host or producer of the show. Now, I acknowledged that's me taking personal offensive something. I'm the host of the show. I made a decision somebody else apologized on my behalf without ever talking to me. I think that is that is almost definitely the wrong way to go about things. If your goal is to get as much information as possible and make good decisions. I don't know how you can make a decision without talking to the people who are actually involved at while that irritated me personally. This is not me getting over. Whatever happened to me is forget about it. It's not a big deal. Everybody will survive and everything to be fine. Stephen released an apology video. There are people who think it was sincere are people who don't that's fine. I was asked this week. What did you think of Stevens apology video, and I pointed out to this person I've thought it was good. I did have problems with it. I did recognize that other people were going to have problems with it because I can at least try to put myself in somebody else's shoes. I'm not going to get it right. Every time I try to listen charitably I try to make sure that we're being diplomatic and understanding. But in the end what I think of Stevens apology. Video does not fucking matter because I wasn't the person being apologized to. I'm not a member of the community that was being apologized to and he wasn't apology Pol jousting on my behalf. So what I think about the apology doesn't Matt. Under the only people whose opinion matters about the apology, our the portion of the trans community that were bothered by what he did. And that's up to each one of them to make. And if they don't have the experience with Stephen that I do to have any confidence in him if their lived experiences, such that they think this is just another example of somebody apologizing because it was going to cost them something that's fine. I don't necessarily think they're right. But they get to do that. Also, I don't get to define who is or isn't a transalate. There were people who are week before this called me a Transall I and week afterwards called me a transport. I get it. I and I'm not just saying that I sincerely get it. Given the information that you had. And what you saw the fact that you are privy to stuff, and maybe even after you hear everything I say today, nothing will change your mind. That's fine. You get to define who you think is or isn't your ally? But it's not gonna stop me from still supporting trans rates. It's not gonna stop me from supporting the community. It's not gonna stop me from being what I think is a simple huge. Honest advocating for people's rights, whether or not somebody else can hates me, considering me ally, or, or has that feeling for anybody else involved, that's up to them. The only reason I'm talking about this because of the decisions that have been made in vacuum or after a handful of people decided to run with their suspicions and start labeling into nounce ING and making a big deal out of something that are making a different big deal than the actual big deal. The actual big deal start all this off is that video and what impact it has on the trans community. The apologies not my call. Ally ship is not my call, but transpeople many of them are in a position where they are like a raw exposed nerve. There has been they've been so absolutely maligned that things that they do that. People will say, oh, that's a gross overreaction. It's still understandable. It's, it's still something that you should expect something you should pay attention to this isn't just and. Issue of they're not just marginalized. They're targeted they're not just being granted in denied rights on the whim of whatever jackass is, is has decided. Oh, let's, let's not let transpeople serve in the military day. Or let's, let's change the marriage laws or anything else. They are one of if not the most vilified marginalized communities on the planet. Right. And if you don't understand what they go through. I'm with you. I can't understand what they go through. But I can at least empathize, and I can at least try to put myself in that position to say, I understand that reaction even if I disagree with even if I think it's wrong, even if I think, oh, you got wounded, and you decided to immediately label everybody else. I still understand it, and I'm not gonna go around at adding fuel to that fire by saying, oh, well, you know you were wrong. You know, I understand how you feel but you were wrong, we have to do a better job and people will believe things because somebody said. It without actually looking into how accurate it is. What was said? How accurate that is? This is the type of thinking that has led to believing the gospel accounts as we talked about on talk. Ethan is the kind of thinking that leads to conspiracy theorist type stuff of I have my suspicions based on my baggage, and I'm going to reach conclusions. I had somebody Email me saying, we'll Matt, if you don't tell us what you think about this. We're just going to have to guess. No. That's not skepticism. When you don't have enough information guessing is not proper skepticism. I get it. I get the motivation to do that. It is natural. It is what we as human beings. Do. Oh, I have this lived experience and I'm going to judge this situation based on my lived experience. And my experience is going to be different from somebody in the trans community and people in the transmitter going to have different lived experiences as well. They're not all in the same boat. They don't all agree on everything. They're not hive mind. You are not the trans community. I am not the trans community. Oh, maybe we should stop pretending. There is a trance community. No, there is. They're real. They are just like everybody else in that they deserve rights and respect as well. Stephen fucked up. But now aged it and that won me over whether or not is apologies gonna for somebody else that's independent from whether or not I'm satisfied that he's working towards being a better person. And I know him to be somebody who supports translates. I have problems with the board of directors did. But I absolutely know that those people on the board of directors. I know I've known some of them for a long time. Some of them are really good friends of mine who I greatly respect, and by the way, who I voted for to return to the board, even though they weren't, I think there was a better way for them to get information and make a decision and I expressed that and I did it privately a lot of these conversations happen in private, and I am key on making sure that these conversations happen in private I because I've watched over and over and over again as our community decides they wanna hash everything out in public, right? Fucking now without having access to information. The YouTubers that we were talking with the faithless form, who decided to stay out of this, and let the ACA business, try to handle, or they try to handle its own business, incorrect, things, wonderful people. There were some other people who are about clicks in drama, people who have nothing to do with any of those who decided. Oh, we're going to come out and make a statement. Ha ha, we'll do a livestream and see if we can get some attention by writing drama, coat-tails. There's not an easy solution any of this good people on all sides made mistakes. I mentioned on on talkie than earlier that might take on the transparent, sports partly, I wish everybody stop talking about it, because they don't think she's far too complicated. And I'm going to air on the side of inclusion, and I don't know that anybody has enough information. Maybe there's an issue maybe there's not maybe it's related transplants. Maybe it's not. But I'm really sick to death of people either saying, no. We can't talk about anything or no. You can't talk about that, if there's an issue, it should be treated by the expert. Efforts by the people who are involved, and I'm still going to actually support inclusion I think we should remove gender from all sports, but I don't care that much about sports. So maybe that has problems. I don't know at least it's inclusive of non binary people at least now much like you couldn't be a navy seal once upon a time. If you're a woman, and now you can, because we removed gender from the equation, and all that matters requirements. I don't know why we can't do something similar with sports, but this issue for me is not about sports. I have friends in the trans community. I have friends outside of the trans community in need to be cognizant that you don't know what somebody else is going through. And so when I see someone react in a way that my gut tells me just like oh, this is reactionary hyperbolic and batch it crazy. And whatever other label I instinctively want to put on it. I have to pause and think what is it about them that is doing this differently from the way I'm doing, I'm not always going to get the right answer. But the frustrating thing is that while I'm sitting here evaluating things and thinking and trying to come up with the best way to address this. This. There are people who would argue that the fact that I haven't said anything means I'm part of whatever enemy they have perceived in everybody messed up. But the blame for the initial thing, rests with Stephen which he's working to correct, you get to decide what you what your take on that. My not addressing this on the show when he was here was a problem and the board making what I would call perhaps rectory and sometimes contrary positions, amplified things, and in this environment, where nobody was communicating with each other everybody how to different perspective on where they sat within this issue, seeing things everything's fine. And he's gonna push his apology and saw gonna go away. And then it gets blindsided. The thinks everything's fine. Then all of a sudden people are complaining that we platform to transform. I think everything's fine because I've talked to Steven. But I'm not viewing it yet from people on the outside. So for those of you who knew nothing about this. Sorry we had to address it today, but I'm not sorry because one of the big problems that happened throughout all this is that there's not. Enough people caring about what the trans community's perspective is on these issues to even dig into find out what the problems are, and I'm not going to be the one to educate you on that 'cause I'm still learning myself, but that's something that has to happen. And nobody gets to set back and say, oh, I did nothing wrong. You might have. But if we're going to build a humanistic community that is welcoming and encouraging to everybody you don't just get to sit there and say sorry, I didn't know because that's understandable, but not necessarily excusable. That's all I have to say about us something about the election or. No. Oh, yeah. So I do want to say something about the election after this happened. I'm not going to get into specifics about this, but in the history of the, there's a president vice president and seven large board members for total board of nine throughout most of the history of the ACA. There were cases where we didn't even have enough people running for the board to fill those positions, and we would recruit people at the meeting. Hey, you wanna be on the board this year? There were eleven people running for maybe twelve running four seven seats and every single person who was running was allowed to get up and talk and give their reasons why they felt good for the poured and everybody who was in attendance was allowed to ask questions and his board members answered them, because of everybody's views they're going to respond differently to those questions and answers. And at the end of the day, a democratic election was had and the top seven candidates became the new seven at large board members now it's easy to this is oh, we ousted those other people. I can't deny that that's one way to it. But when I look at what was happening there. I think some people voted for change, and I tried to discourage people from doing that, that voting just for change without considering the broader issues could be viewed as just as reactionaries the thing that you're objecting to, but that's the environment we're in once things start going bad, or seem to be going, bad people just start reacting because we want to fix it all those old members of the board, one a day. Eighty to be the best community. They could have that's true for the people involved in the shows I genuinely appreciate respect those people voted for three board members that did not get back on the board. There are people on the board. Now I didn't vote for, but this was not a takeover. Type thing. This was a legitimate democratic election where people how chance to speak, and this is the result of it. The new board has taken no action doesn't take any action until the first meeting in June. So anything that's still objectionable about the is entirely the responsibility of the people who've been running it up on now. I don't know what the new board's going to be like I'm optimistic. I'm up to mystic about the shows I'm optimistic about the future of the community arm optimistic that may be in ten years will have proper quality for the trans community to where we're not having these sorts of fights where people who agree on ninety five ninety six percent are fighting over the remaining portions, I don't know. But I am confident that the people. Who were on the board prior. And the people who will be returning be the Newport in June. Do have the best interest of the at heart. They the various suspicions and other things that people thrown out are just that I'm happy to be here. I'm happy that I have this chance to be able to, to say what, I think, and other people's perspectives of this issue, maybe different for mine. So anybody who just says, Well, Matt set it now. I'm now I've got it all fixed. I'm you know, Matt cured me dick around some more I'm, I'm still learning understanding the different aspects of this. But if you think that anybody new board old board me Stephen, whoever is somehow malicious, actor who's opposed to quality and trans rights and things that you're simply wrong, and I can even understand how some people reached that conclusion, but I couldn't go another week without at least presenting my side, if anybody still doesn't like me when it whatever else find at least you listened to. What I had to say about. All right. On that note. Welcome to the eighth east experience thirty three minutes later. Let's get back ageism. What did you say? I say we should here who who where do you wanna go first for calls? I'm kind of liking number six number six it is Fred in Michigan. You're on Don Matt hi guys doing. Hi, thanks for your patience, and problem. I was listening to that whole thing. And man arch art fell. The thing to say opening up, so yeah, kudos for you to for wouldn't it out there? And you know, be bleeding, heart. I guess you know. Those are the ones that work. Yeah, yeah, exactly for sure, I guess, so the question I wanted to ask I just recently found your guys show, not too long ago and say a lot of the clips, I'm writing Hervas about, like getting custody and yelled at shouted at and all that, but that's a good. That's a good way to prevent me from doing it. I just hope I'm not one of those guys, you know, so, so I was just curious. How it is that we can dismiss the bible as the evidence for God. We can't. So I'm actually working I it wasn't the answer. I expected I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm actually working on a video for my eighth debate channel that addresses the nature of evidence and how we qualify things because I've said it before and other people, you know, if you say, well, there's no evidence for God, and then people like, well what about the bible? Oh, that doesn't count. There are good reasons why we say that. But I think it's confusing people about the nature of evidence. So I'm putting together video that discusses this in more detail. But I'll see if I can shorthand this okay to whatever extent counts as evidence it is still insufficient to warrant accepting of the propositions and it's like if the proposition was Matt strangled done coming forward and saying. Matt as a person who exists is not evidence for the proposition that Matt strangled done. Neither is saying Matt has hands and hands are required for strangling. That's still not evidence that I strangled on because those two things are true. Whether I strangled on or not. And so when we talk about evidence for proposition, first of all, we need an actual proposition proposition. A lot of times we say evidence for God, but we really mean is evidence that Warren's concluding that God exists, and so or that a particular. And so what we see is in something like the bible, these are the claims you need evidence for the claims and these are not prime official claims where the claim stands on its own merit. So when you say you know, Jesus walked on water, that's a claim and there's nothing in the bible that could ever substantiate. Acceptance that, that claim is true on its own their certainly the various attestations to this. Opening count sort of anecdotal evidence. But it's not like that would be could be or should be convincing and not even apply. A matter of fact, most of the bible be thrown out, as hearsay, if we're gonna court. And so when I say it's nothing I get to disregard the bible. It's that the bible is on its own is not sufficient, I see. Well. The for you for you, gentlemen. Go ahead. There's also this idea that extrordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and, you know, the existence of God's extraordinary claim and so we're looking for, for big evidence of this. We're, we're looking for something really solid, something really obvious. You know that, that, you know, some path to this conclusion that's going to be convincing to everybody. That's the kind of thing we're looking for. Okay. I mean, that makes sense but at the same time it on. Sometimes I'm left with that feeling of well if not the bible than than what you know. Yeah, but that's not the problem that, that's a problem to take up with God, what kind of God wants people to accept that exists and presents insufficient. Evidence for sure. And the way I was always presented that would concept was that it. Oh, faith in a in a sense was the ultimate test. Right. Like you said it can be rather challenging when you take in all the Sayas discovered up to this point, you know, the fact that we are here we are with all these billions of trillions of atoms and billions of stars where they only planet with life on it. Maybe but that's a pretty big. Maybe yeah again, we know have to discover knifing somewhere else. So the fact that we don't know, the fact that we don't know of life, somewhere else is, is completely unsurprising since our ability to explore somewhere else is incredibly limited him. His only existed for short period of time anyway, but the sister getting back to this, this issue of faith, there's two different connotations while there's more than that, but there's two different usages of, of faith. One is like the Hebrews eleven one where faith is the evidence of things unseen. And then there's another usage, which just faith just means confidence now looking at, like, they when you say that it becomes essentially a matter of faith, the type of faith. Talking about where you have confidence in something in the absence of sufficient evidence. Is there any position that you couldn't justify appealing to faith like that? If I'm being honest, you could have faith in things that are not true, like eventually, like there have been times throughout history, where we had faith in things like bleach is being able to, you know, cure you of headache, which we over the course of history and time and experimentation we were able to figure out that. No, that's completely moronic. And of course, that's not how it works anymore. But, but if we hadn't if we hadn't had the ability to, to investigate that and either debunk or confirm it than we would still be believing on faith which so you, can, you can exercise faith in such a way that you can be confident in something that is true, and you can do it in a way where you can be confident something that's not true. And what I care about is whether or not, we have good reason to believe that something is true. Which is why when I talked about faith. I say that faith is the excuse people give for believing something when they don't have a good reason because. If I ask someone why do you believe this, and they have a good reason? Then they give that reason when we're talking about scientific facts about the universe. Nobody says that they take it on faith. You know that the that the sun is at the center of our solar system. They present the anymore. Yeah. Not now. But that's, that's the reason I use that example is because they're flatter their people. There are people who think that reasonableness corresponds to truth. And that's something I try to correct people on when I can at one point, given the all the available information it was reasonable to conclude that the sun went around the earth that any other it's wrong. So it's entirely possible to be reasonable based on evidence based on what you see and still be wrong. And so knowing that, that's the case. It makes it even more repugnant to me to for anybody to ever appeal to faith, because knowing that our best efforts looking at the best available evidence, we could still turn out to be wrong to then take an extra step and say, you know what? There's not sufficient evidence for me to make conclusion. So I'm gonna make conclusion anyway, that is that has to be a big mistake than following the evidence to an error. Yeah. I. When you put it that way. I can't help it agree with it. So, well, damn. Now, I can't really yell and cuss at you. Even. Why did you have to be so reasonable approach things with an open mind? And I definitely, you know, I approached calling you guys today with, with the idea that, you know, I wasn't going to hold onto these beliefs so strongly that I wasn't willing to. Listen, if that makes sense. Does. And we appreciate it, and hopefully, this call will not only let you know, but let other people know that that's how we, we are as well. When I stopped believing it wasn't because I got mad at a God it wasn't because I was like screw the church or you know as I, I was actually trying to be the best Christian, I could be and to answer the, the logical reasonable objections that people read against my religious beliefs, and I didn't choose to give up. Religiously what I believe. Or what I'm convinced of isn't a choice. It just reached a point where I was like, wow, all those good reasons I thought, I had turns out, they're not good reasons and my position still is not if somebody, I was having a conversation with one of my aunts this weekend. And I, I was explained to her that, you know, she believes in God and an afterlife, and I don't I'm not saying she's wrong about whether or not there's an afterlife. I'm saying that I'm not convinced that she's correct. And I am taking a step further for the people who are. Every time I say that who cringe you're being honest because you are in their own. I am saying that when you give me your arguments if I find fallacies there, I think your reasoning is wrong. I think you believe without good reason. But that's still independent of whether or not you're factually, correct? I say and for me, okay, all of this rest, if there is a God, all of this rests on the shoulders of that got that, God, you'd have to think stuck his down here. Chaos brain allows us to understand logic and reasoning and evidence and figure out what what is real and not real to the best of our ability in this world. And for the single most important question has left it with insufficient evidence to reach the conclusion that is not a good being. That's not a wise being, and I think it's an argument for why that being almost certainly doesn't exist, at least as portrayed care. I'm just curious. Because I have given some thought to that idea like, why, why would he do this? And then, you know, kinda leave us to our own devices to and it was just one of the. Those things, you know, when you start looking into say quantum mechanics, there's a an aspect of quantum mechanics, known as super position. And then when you begin to look at that all particles before you observe them will be in any all states that they can possibly be within given probabilities. Now, there's a, a fringe theory based on that we call the called quantum consciousness. I ever heard somebody a trying to remember his name now, Michio Kaku. I believe was talking about it and or I'm familiar with that name. I don't know if this what he was talking about. Good. Oh, okay. Fair enough. And that got me thinking, okay. So if, if at the universal level, we can assume that anything that is exists exists, because we observed it then could it simply be that? That the reason God only wants us to believe in him. That's the sole reason for all of this is because without that he would cease to exist. Sounds like a pretty weak. God to me, it, doesn't it certainly, doesn't it certainly doesn't match up with an all powerful all knowing all loving, God, if if, if we stop believing him and goes away. There's some science fiction to raise with that is the premise, I couldn't I couldn't tell you what they are. Okay. And on the quantum mechanics stuff. I I'm not going to dig in, because I have perceptions, and I've no expertise there and I presented that aren't consistent with that. But it the end of the day even viewer correct? The time to believe that is after it's been demonstrated to be true and not merely because you can't rule it out as a possibility. I can agree with that. That's a good point. Well, Fred you're my new favorite person. Wow. Okay. Cool at least until we get to, you know, and other caller. But I appreciate that. I present you calling in. And if you come up with more stuff, or have other thoughts or questions feel free to call us back. All right, sounds great. Thanks. I appreciate your time. I feel jilted we feel because you, do you know about quantum mechanics. No, I thought I was your favorite person, take another call. Well, bad joke, you didn't agree with me as much as he did. I only like people who agree with me. Just ask the internet. That's right. Who do next? Oh, you know, I don't know. Let's go with let's go with Ryan in San Jose, California. Thanks for waiting. Addition for Don bicker. Save person it is for mass fy rights. Aren't right. So I just want to say, I'm a big fan of yours for about years that different help my conversion out of like two and a half questions that are personal to me. They can apply to others deeply chair on a half a question about bigoted, bigoted, St Peter's, as well, as, you know, is the first time caller, I cover my nerves of humor. I'm little nervous like jokes when the better be funny can help lie performance issues of any kind. So as you know, they're putting under the first time now, you'll be fine go ahead. So, you know, so. Like you converse experience and the mental health emotional reasons for conversion as if in your especially with other atheists, who had you conversion stories mine was based on a motion, like kind of around the problem with evil in why was suffering in the way that I was that was the initial part, I don't, I don't just not believe, because of that I've watched shows other YouTubers Stephen and Alice O'Connor. And those are definitely helped me. But would you say that initial conversion ignition weekends my little, no? Do you know there's this? There's this phrase that you can't argue some something somebody out of something that they didn't reason their way into. And so, I think, you know, having this emotional thing gnawing at you might have been away for you to explore the issue and, and such. And I think I think that, you know atheism if you're if you're going to try to reason about something or whatever then. Ultimately that has to be the foundation of it. But getting there might might take an emotional path. Yeah. Ten years ago, I would have said, I would venture question with. Yes. Because I wanted everybody to have still want everybody to have good reasons for whatever position they hold or whatever positions they reject. But a couple years ago, I did a video called y'all just wanna sit. And it was about me changing my view on this, because people Christians in particular would would come up to someone who is, let's say gay and say, well, the only reason you don't believe in God's because you wanna be gain you wanna sit. And I used to caution people that perhaps what they should say, is, you know. Okay. That may be true, but that's not my reason for not believing. And now after that video, I'm happy to say, go ahead give that as your reason because the type of thing that they're objecting to sin this. You have wounded or fended my God, his bullshit in the first place. And when if you are if you're an atheist, because EUROMED sexual. And religions denounce who you are fundamentally. That's a good reason. It's not it's not a philosophical thing. It is wait a minute. Your God thinks I'm shit. And I know I'm not so clearly you're gods. At least wrong if not fictional. And since I have no access to that, God other than what you're telling me, I'm going to be fine. Yep. I wanna have elicit sex of the kinky is variety, and your God can reme- after tacos. Question. Yeah. Thank you for answering that kinda ties into that earth one, I have bipolar disorder and the initial manic episode is kind of converted me when we enough, the second manic episode, I had one thing that I now know is a sign of episode for me is I was praying again, because I didn't know what to do. So that was kind of a shocker for Catholic. Bruce my ego a little bit. But I'm over that now I'm fall following stoicism more or less that's helps but it's want to any other people in the audience who are suffering from mental disorders like reach out, ladies and gentlemen, is reach out to me look for a local group to meet up and talk. 'cause there are people who tell you to prayed away. I was in the chat earlier on YouTube, and I saw one gentleman suffering from depression, and his, his relatives. Always telling the pray and I that was done. Two million hurts isn't help. So you gave an acronym. What is that? Namiki National Alliance for mental illness. Thank you, and the second one, these are more so smaller groups. But these are what I went to you, depression, and bipolar support alliance. Okay, these are national group and is one that I nanny is say, I'm not sure. But I think they're affiliated with net with nam me in some way, shape or form. I was actually hospitalized for my on and I was in. There was nothing to do. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think religions sometimes do us a disservice to those with mental health issues because they tend to mass them and hide them and shuffle them in the wrong direction. Yeah. Rather than actually addressing the problem. There was a call to talk even which turned out to be really bad, because the guy wanted to talk about why not go with Christianity. That makes people happy. And we put it on a number of reasons why but another another reason many of the religion. Would look at something like mental illness and you know, ages ago would have attributed to demons and in the modern area modern era more likely to tribute to send and all of that is in denial of what we know about the human brain mental health, and who we are as people's psychologically. And if your religion isn't bolstering people, and encouraging them to get sound medical treatment for mental health issues. That's yet another problem with that particular religion and it's doing real harm. And even absent religion, at least in western culture, we stigmatize mental health issues. I'm not I'm not ties for being a diabetic on occasion. Somebody'll say, oh well you're diabetic. Because, you know, you were fascinated bunch of sugar whatever, and maybe that's true. Or maybe I had some sort of chronic condition my anchors. I don't know but mental illness, we tend to put the blame on the person, and we tend to try to shame people. It's the. Same thing. We do with just simple things like saying, I don't know, saying, I don't know, somehow a bad thing to most people when I think is one of the best things you can say recognizing that you, you didn't decide to be bipolar. You didn't choose this. You would rather this not be the case. But even more than that, you would probably rather that people stop pretending that this was something about you. I think that it has to do with the fact that we have a hard, time distinguishing things related to the brain because that becomes who are identities. But we have to do a better job of making. Sure, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We don't stigmatize people and instead help them get the help. They need. Now, my parents are accepting my L E. Tune extent. My dad doesn't care. He's glad I found his through lack of faith one, I go to church to make happy, the nice in front really make a nervous. So there's that too, but enjoyable ask questions that always annoys the hell out of. Yeah, I, I don't take any more time. But with one of your thing mad this kind of I one of your stays like oh God being moral thug. And you being more and more UB moldy superior rather, go to hell than spend time with him in heaven. Is that paraphrasing it, of course? Yeah, that's mostly. Yeah. And I try to stunned by that sometimes kind of freak out. And I, I know I don't know that my death is a long time coming. But I'm thinking this living moment to moment like trying to forget about that. And just like knowing that you live your life well moment to moment pendulum he talks about. He doesn't pray he like before he goes Betty, every moral. Good thing he's done that they like. Oh on this, but I'm not better looking for different kind of ways to not cope. But, you know, address it. Yeah, I wanted to I wanted to wanted to address this during the conversations I had this past weekend. With an but I didn't. 'cause we got onto too many topics, but it's not that I am saying there's no afterlife. I'm saying, I don't have any reason to believe there is an afterlife and Intel that changes the one and only life, that I know I'm going to get that. I'm actually living now has to be the top priority in anybody who comes along to tell me that this life is like dirty rags that this life is like, you know, seeing through the glass deli that this life is something that we should sacrifice in hopes of a better afterlife. Hell no. You gotta come with quite a bit of evidence to show that, that's the case, and all of the evidence that is worthwhile that we can evaluate at all seems to lead to the opposite conclusion that this that when I'm dead, it's most certainly over. And even if I'm wrong, the afterlife becomes a surprising bonus that I couldn't have good reason to accept prior to dying. And so I still must live this life, as if it's the only one I've got yeah. And thank you, the answers that question, the, the one have questions about the street preachers. They're they're not. I don't they're like came like a, the store brand of westboro out his church. You know, they weren't as all over the place, but I was at this one convention Fana may where people dress up as characters from different media, and there's some people the protesters, the, the bible bashing testers is the thing bunch of stuff that was found in the bible. And I was just go up to say, hey, you wearing mixed up, but I know not good to. You're feeding like you're adding getting if they have a microphone, you're going to be in trouble unless you're aren't. They can have a megaphone. Aren. We'll stand next to them and still get louder than okay? There's a bit of an art. My friends or martial artist triggers, and they did Jesus flip in front of his law. So this backflip with their legs extended arms out, then got kicked out, so no. Did they do that in costume? No, no. That would have been really. I was considering dressing up as Jesus with across walking up to the next year. I didn't die for this, you know. Yeah, yeah. You know, we'll those folks are attention hounds, largely and, you know, if there's some if you're stirring stuff up with them, they'll, they'll get a bigger audience. And so it sometimes the best thing to do is ignore them, and sometimes it's not. And it's really hard to tell which of those situations, you're in. So we have we have issues like that at our pride festival here in Austin and other events out laughing. My ass off, how ridiculous it all. I mean I know is there true found belief but it's it just seems ridiculous. So counterproductive. Everything else is happening. Yeah, I find I find that I can't laugh at it anymore. It's, it's sad. And when I see the it's weird because I see the impact that their beliefs have on the community at large, like the transmuted we were talking about earlier. But I also see how their beliefs have an impact on their lives. And this is just a lose lose scenario where they're only joy. I mean, it's one of the things that I criticized in the sermon on the mount where it the sermon on the mount convinces people that they're going to be persecuted for standing up for God. And so when they stand up for God and they feel like they're being persecuted that affirms that they're doing the right thing going profit when the truth is, maybe you're being antagonized, because your deck, you know, if you are offensive to people in hurtful to people, it may be that you're doing what God wants you to do. Now. People are going to call you out for it or may just be that you're you've been convinced to be a treat people like crap and the, the derision. You get his now justified. So I wish I could laugh at it more. But I can't. So now looking at it that perspective. Yeah, I was kind of in the moment. But yeah. Well, that addresses Majoor of my questions, I don't wanna too much into to call back time. Yeah, I wanna say your callers are very, very nice. 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And also, I know that you were with some of the folks from like northern Indiana, eighty east and stuff. How things going. Good. I really appreciate it in at the convention really mainly. See that guy's really our community. And what really struck me is I nobody was telling you what to do what the thing. And that's definitely not if there were somebody they're doing that. They wouldn't listen to anyway. Right. That's true. It's probably one of the big on occasions. I'm it'll be like, oh, well, you're just another religion or you're just another call. And having somebody point out that we're not telling anybody what to do or what to think is, is helpful. Well, if anything we have the opposite problem where there's, it's a real cat hurting exercise to get everybody to do something together. I, I've been doing a, a lot of thinking. And as far back as I can remember I was in church, and I believe, in God, and they were times that, like I'd say I pray and I see an answer. You know. Or like I was in a really violent robbery. I wasn't shot and I wasn't. Right. But pretty it was pretty bad. I was knocked around and, and one point, the guy was sitting on with gun at my head counting to three. He wanted the case to be base, and it's pretty intense. I never this went on seem like forever in the longer. It went on the more violent they became and I remember thinking excuse me, this one time that if I cried then would believe me, and I've, I've forced myself to cry. And they immediately believed that I have the case to save. Then then. Proceeded to drag me out of the store with my head again, but they, you know, let me go, and I thought always believed that, that was God telling me in the middle of that chaos. And I was pretty much. They what does it call when attached was, like I was going to dissociation dissociation. Yeah. Yeah. So thought was the clear, a concert understand why why people, especially with the history of religious belief would think, oh, this got kinda telling you what to do because that's what you've been told. But the truth is that sorta reaction is natural and learned from the time your child, you, you cry babies lie babies cry the hunger cry, even when they're not hungry, because they wanna tension. But also, we, we learn stuff we, you know, I don't know how many crime dramas you've watched, but I've learned quite a bit from crime, dramas about, you know, with if somebody's kidney. We talk about them as a person, and we say their name, and these other things you learn these lessons, even if they're not explicitly taught to you, that when you're in this situation, the best thing you can do is try to make a connection that is going to instill some trigger the empathy and the person who's assaulting you. And as long as you don't have somebody who's incapable of empathy, then you're probably going to end up slightly better off than otherwise. The issue isn't if it was God telling you cry. Why God do something else, or make it clear that Godwin cry? I mean why would God have you in a situation where you've got a gun to your head? And then just say, go ahead cry. I mean, that kind of sadistic, right. Yeah. It reminds me, you know, things like Tracy said about, you know, if somebody's going to sexually assaulted child, and you saw you intervene, because we're all decent people, but God doesn't intervene. You just sets up there and says, go ahead closed-door. I'll take care you later and allows it to kind of go on. And so while I can certainly understand how you or anybody else would say that time because I in my desperation doesn't seem like something I would have thought of, it seemed like a message coming to me, and therefore, it's yeah. Therefore, it's likely from God. One of things is we're not really good at understanding. Our brains. We try to divide things into like conscious subconscious or unconscious times. We talk about our intuition or the little angels and demons, sitting on her shoulder because sometimes when we're talking to ourselves it can feel like somebody else's talking because you can't explain where these thoughts are coming from, you know, it's if I'm trying to solve a problem and I'm just stuck in stock, and all of a sudden, I have this. Spark of intuition. And I get the right answer. It is understandable that you might think that, that came from somewhere else, because it doesn't feel like it came from you. But that's the way our brains work and all the evidence points to this did come from you all the best evidence. I got. Can I get another example as you're kinda start breeding? When I was young and Finn, I would hitchhike and I would always pray that God will give me a safe ride. Well, this one time this guy pulled over, and I get in the car, and he starts, lecturing me about how dangerous checking it and I asked God for safe ride, and he started laughing really loud, because he was a pastor of one of the churches. And I I've always thought that that was that was God, why why I guess, because it was such a coincidence, but coincidences happen all the time and. I just don't see any justification for attributing it to God. And I've never picked up a hitchhiker, I would never hurt somebody. I'm actually probably a bad person in some regard because I think one of the reasons I haven't picked up H I because I'm worried about picking up somebody who might potentially hurt me. But if you look at the type of people who are likely to pick up hitchhikers, okay, maybe the same reason that you reached out to God to give me a safe ride the same reason this pastor when ahead and decided to pick up a hitchhiker, and then it's unsurprising that pastor would talk to somebody said something that was potentially dangerous in their life, pastors are often good people. But some of them aren't it's entirely possible that you could've asked. God for good ride got picking up picked up by a pastor and still been, you know, assaulted or mistreated because there are pastors that do that, too. About them a lot. And the thing is, if you think that this is thought that this was God, giving you a message one thing I keep harping on his in what context does that make sense? You know God's gonna put you in this situation where somebody's got a gun to your head. And then he's going to tell you to cry or you're going to ask God for safe ride, and he's gonna make sure you get an in a car with a pastor as if that guarantee safety. Why is it? That God has messages for people and cares about people. He has to be so damned cryptic give you a hint of something that maybe maybe it was God telling me this, why can't it just be audience? You already believe it's not like you know, he has to convince you, you know, it would be like I it'd be like Satan Satan, if he exists knows God exists completely. So why would God have to send Satan hints instead of just saying, no, here's the way things are this high go. Seek god. It just doesn't make sense. God's got a message. For me, but he's going to give it to me in a dream. God's got a message for me, but he's going to kind of whisper in my ear something that I'm not quite sure was him. How could you not quite sure, I think people like to be part of stories right, part of the drama. And I think that religions give you these, these stories and these things in and one of one of the things that Christianity, does sort of makes you part of it. Right. You are going to be saved. You know, just be humble, you know, your, your reward is coming and these sorts of things, and I just see this as part of that also that, that, you know, you're going to get a message from God somehow because you're important. Yeah. It's like I, I understand I, I guess I'm believing a lot of the things that I am hearing, the, you know, ACS experience and since Andrews, and, and some of the other in an air not. But, and then I think, okay, I've got a re that we frames, my whole life and I'm, I'm really struggling with that, and you're not alone. So, so does everybody else in this in this transition? It's very few people who are, like, you know, on Monday, I believed in God. And on Tuesday, I was done with it. And I'm completely better and don't have any bag with the process for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have some friends or some community reach out to no not? Really? Okay. That's something it might try to do, even if it's an online forum, you know, a lot of folks will have gone through similar things, and it's nice to have some camaraderie there at all. And also there, there were, there were resources that I put you in touch with while we were at, at the convention. Yep. And I, I would encourage you to reach out to them, you know, are, are in the second therapist project and secular women as well a going to conventions good. 'cause you can meet people, I've, I've made friends all across the United States and internationally that way that should be my nest. Next step conventions are expensive of you might eat might try to find a local group and get get more involved locally. It's one of those things where just having anybody around talk to is going to be a really good first step because sitting there trying to deal with all this stuff on your own. He you might find your way out after a time. But I, I really we're here to build communities because we're convinced that having a community is one of the most important things for people who have found their way for your religion and feel ostracized alone. It's also an. Important step towards atheist or secular normalcy. That once people realize. Oh, yeah. You guys are part of that. Eight Theus group down the street. And, you know, you, you do these things your work with these helping the homeless, or whatever outreach things, maybe maybe sit around and drink, and bash religion, if that's you know, that's the thing. That's good actually go, then I would recommend you see if there's a skeptics in the pub in your neighborhood, because drinking and bashing religion a frequent event at at its. Anyway, Mary, we gotta go, I've got a bunch of other callers. I want to try to get to, but I really appreciate you touching base with us and feel free to hit us up again, when you have more questions, concerned and try to find some people in your community and don's right? If you can't find anybody that you can meet up with person. There are online resources and I'd recommend contact McGovern for religion because they have counselors that can direct you to that type of stuff. So thank you for taking my call pay talk talking to you. Thank you very much. And it was great to meet you, in Cincinnati, take care. All right. So we've got four calls left to get to I've been told that I was wrong. Tonight's dinner is not barbecue. It's sushi. Looks like I won't be skipping dinner and went home. New board is blow it all the money. It's, it's a great thing down here, by the way. And, you know, the there there's a before we get the next call, and you can figure out where we're going next. There's a whole bunch of people on the other side of the glass who sat through that thirty three thirty four minute dissertation, that I gave patiently and they are from all over the country, and in some cases, the world or we have guests in from Switzerland even we often, try to make sure that we appreciated for the people who are doing the real work and the the booth behind us. But I wanted to actually think all the people that are out there in this glass because today was not necessarily the show they were expecting to begin with. And so. Showing Beatty got a few more calls to get through. And as a reminder on next week show, he's five five next week show, Don Phil will be on. So we've got Franken Dallas, Texas. How are you? Oh, you guys were talking about cults a little bit ago, and I've a feeling I'm going to start a call you and Don to join us all take that, but to serve sushi. Barbecued sushi. Oh my goodness. You might have me, by the way before before before we let you get in. I know that when you're talking there's, there's some pops and stuff that make a difficult understand. So if we have to interrupt for clarity, that's the reason why. So go ahead. Sure. Well, I do believe in an all powerful force, and I think that it's Paris pretty irrefutable. And I feel that your show is just like a drop of water in the ocean compared to my all powerful force are shows like a drop in the ocean paired to a lot of things. Sure. Well, first of all, like to make it clear that I fully support and encourage the AC as continued activism, as well as other second groups, and they're very grateful for all of the positive change that you guys have made both on an individual and community level. Let's perform the thought experiment. Let's say that this in second or activism is so successful tomorrow. We attain the marvellous result of the entire human population of the earth becoming nonbelievers. Now, let's say that happens and this -ssarily affect the remaining problems, pointing humanity and the planet such as Thane, juris and damaging beliefs as antibac-, Sers, global warming, deniers racists, Assad China's conspiracy, theorists. And all anti science, pundits, not necessarily not, not at all. Well, I won't say, not at all because sometimes religious belief is at the foundation. For that. And also, if we were successful in everybody's tomorrow. My goal is not to get people to stop being religious. It's to get people to embrace rationality, and so if the whole world stops being religious tomorrow, because they've been braced rationality than in fact, we will have addressed the foundations behind anti vaccine other things like that. Well, I mean arguably just you're correct. But I think we're saying it's e-. It's of course, it's easier to protest. I think from an aspect that you guys actually mentioned on multiple occasions on the show. And that's why I think that you'll want to join my give it give us your own powerful thing that we're going to join okay. Two words critical thinking we're already in that cult. We've been in Goldberg decades. I understand my most of your callers calling about religious aspects or sometimes political aspects. But in my opinion, critical thinking compasses all of these irrational conclusions. Yes, everyone, everyone is taught how to think credit going, then everything about grades. You don't have to spend so much time with the visual aids on religion on politics on child rearing on conspiracy theories. Everybody understands how to think critically. And you don't have to go through the same arguments over know her. Well, I agree. It's a it's an important issue, and we do try to emphasize that. But you have to talk to people where they are. And if they're interested in conspiracy theories, or if they're interested in God, or whatever, then, then, that's where you have to meet them and kind of lead them, lead them hopefully in the right direction, and I'm gonna be extra pedantic for a minute and stick, a bow on this, which is we're in agreement with you evaluate critical thinking, but I wouldn't call it all powerful because first of all, I don't see any likely that people are going to be perfect thinkers, even if they understand their point, people who are critical thinkers who are critical thinkers, about ninety percent of stuff, but not the other ten. And if you were perfectly critical thinking, I still wouldn't call that out powerful because I don't want to diminish the impact of empathy. Now, I think that you can make an argument that is logical and reasonable that empathy is incredibly valuable, but that emotional attachment that we have two people that commute. Unity building relationship. Building thing is not critical thinking it may be in game theory, the best way to go about it. But I wouldn't want to diminish its impact on building a better world, not at all. And so you don't have an all powerful force. You have a largely powerful force that we already except, which isn't a force, if that's what you're using force. Yeah. It may be semantics about how you define critical thinking my whole approach. Scooper or any informal education. A list of pal. Greg Nuys is almost every eight goes on. Religion anything there, recommend where? Argument are eight on those policy biases then become a contract to overcome that of Goshen. The problem is down in the fallacies bias. When you say empathy, I would almost argument argue that, that might be an example of a human when we empathize Geis's aren't necessarily wrong. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. That and on that, and on that note, Frank, I'm gonna actually actually gonna hang up, we're in agreement, and there were some problems with a call that were that were audio related, where it was getting more and more difficult. But we're in agreement, and I do appreciate you calling in about it. But on that note, we're trying to get to a couple of calls before we're done for the day, any preference done for four. It is in Idaho. Thanks for waiting. Eight man I Don could talk to you is again. Thanks for taking my call, but I'm looking. At the time now when I'm thinking that might not happen of time to actually dig into what I went discuss. So I just I come back in week sorry that, that didn't work out today. Yeah. Okay. Thanks guys. And as a reminder filling donavan, next nothing, the brothers, but fiction and done Baker will be on next week. So call and talk to them. We've got Daniel in Wisconsin. Thanks for waiting says, here's you, you believe claiming there's no God is an extraordinary claim since God is such a common belief. Right. Well, I don't know if it's still on them. But I believe it's more common than the opposite. Yeah. That so there's a fallacy called argument them at popular, which is an appeal to popularity which is this notion that something is true were likely true. Because so many people believe it to be the case. However, I would agree with you, that it's extraordinarily. But I would agree with I would agree with you, that it would be extraordinarily declaim. There is no God. Okay. 'cause wasn't that what Don Baker had just previously said. Within the past hour kind of lost track of time at this point. But am I might have, you know, I believe you told the color that it's an extraordinary claim onto say there's a gun? Yeah. It's an extraordinary is an extraordinary claim to claim that there's a God, okay? But then the opposite must be true as well. Correct. I've, I've already acknowledged that, that is serving that there is. No, God may in fact, also be an extraordinary claim more important than whether or not is strawberry is. It's an unfold. Safai -able claim. And so the position that I hold is not necessarily, there is no God. Although I think there are gods that we can show, don't exist. It's no one has prevented. You said there's, there's gods that you can win that we could show don't exist, because they lead to logical contradictions or contradictions with what we observe in reality. Agree K? But the my position is if somebody claims there is a God and well in the entire history of the human species. I am unfamiliar with any God that has been supported by sufficient evidence to warrant belief. I'm not claiming necessarily it doesn't exist. I'm saying I don't have good reasonably the does. Right. I've heard a lot of your outcasts. I believe there's plenty of it in the point to there being one God, especially since there's so many cultures believe in many gods. There have been many calls. So the number of people who believe something has impact on whether or not it's true agreed. But it does point probability. No. It doesn't it points to what humans believe at one point, a great many people believed that the earth that the sun orbited there that the earth was flat, or any number of things that were false that, that lightning came from zoos etcetera, but no matter how many people believe that had no impact on whether or not those were true, and it doesn't impact the probability either because people aren't perfect thinkers. And so if everybody is convinced for about something, everybody on the planet is convinced of something, and they're all bay doing it based on flawed information, flawed reasoning then you still haven't done anything to address what the probability of the claim is the most likely source of a religion as your is from your parents. And that's cultural transmission is really what that is. And so if if you think that religion is culture and it's transmitted from parents to children. Then, of course, a lot of people believe in a lot of people believe the same religion. Has their parents and has met says it doesn't mean it's true. It just means that people are cultured to okay, a couple of things there, I get into the probability that there could even sustain life on this planet, and the probability that we could have one hundred percent Asian, especially this any, it's a hundred percent probability that this could be happening right now. There's live on this planet. Right. So the probability that this, this planet can sustain life is one, but the probability that it came just by chance is four line next to nothing. It's not borderline next to nothing but no matter how unlikely it is it happened. Now, the question then becomes what is the explanation for why this planet, consisten life? Now, we know that it's possible within the laws of physics with a natural law. What's the probability that God did it? And how did you calculate that? Well, I went by the reverse of probability that it wasn't a God. Okay. So all you're doing. There is just a starting complete all you're doing. There is just a certain that it's more probable that God did it. I'm as. Asking you. How do you determine that? It's more probable that God did it. Well, you also look at the consonants and are more behavior fact that we're prone to love. There's those things are all of those things are completely relevant as to whether or not a planet, consisten life. Let's say let's say I dealt out a hand carts and you pick up your hand and you have a Royal straight flush. Right. Did I cheat the probability that you'd seated is very high? Okay. How did you conclude that just based on statistical evidence? Yeah. The problem here is that is it possible for someone to get that hand without anyone cheating? Absolutely. How did you determine that? It's more probable that I needed than that. I didn't that you can't just go by the odds of the hand you're now making a claim that I cheated. So how did you determine that? It's more probable than not that I cheated. How did Termine? I know you in advance. Sure, and will not only do you know me, but, you know, that I'm really good with cards and a magician and that was. Possible for me to deal you a Royal straight flush. How did you determine that? It's more probable that I cheated than that. I didn't. And this is the first and yeah, you're digging around for all kinds of stuff. I've granted you ten times more than anybody should to make the point that you cannot reach a reasonable conclusion based on the information that is more probable than not that I cheated because you cannot rule out the fact that I didn't cheat. And as long as that remains a possibility you can say, I suspect you cheated your free to do that. But you cannot reasonably conclude that it's more likely than not that I cheated until you have additional information enough, same for God until you demonstrate and tell you demonstrate how likely God is how, how likely or probable a God is as an explanation, and the big mistake, people make is a God is entirely consistent with everything. Hey God, conserve as an explanation or an answer for anything. Here's an explanation for nothing. Because it doesn't tell you anything about. How, and so if, if somebody says, hey, I prayed, and because I was feeling down, and I feel better, you can't tell whether or not a God intervened. There is no mechanism by which we can evaluate supernatural intervention at all until until there's such a mechanism where we can demonstrate it, you don't get to appeal to it as a possible or plausible explanation. It's just something that's unveils affordable that we can't rule out. But when you look at it, and you say, oh, it's really unlikely that this planet could have happened by natural means. No matter how unlikely it is. You have to be able to demonstrate that God is more likely even to make the claim that it probably was God. And even if you could make the claim that it was probably, God, you still haven't concluded that it's reasonable to conclude that it has got because let's say we knew that let's say exactly half the time ideal fairly and the other half of the time. I cheat let's say we know that, that's the case which is. Not something we don't know about God, if ideal you a good hand. You still don't know which of the fifty percent you're in. And if you were to conclude that I likely cheated, your factually incorrect, because we've already defined it at fifty fifty. But if you are, if you think that that's the case. That's what you think about it, and what you think about it has no bearing on whether or not. It's actually. True. And so when you tell somebody, I'm convinced that Matt cheated, and you're gonna whole bunch of other people who are also convinced that you cheated that doesn't make you any more right to being convinced and being and believing probable like saying good chance and being okay. That I'm convinced there's but but we're at fifty fifty right. Yeah. And this is with you knowing a bunch of information. Not only can you not get fifty fifty with God. You can't even put a number on it. It's unquantifiable and that's not the fault of me or skeptics, or reason or mathematics. It's, it's the fault of the claim itself. And so if there is a God this. God has arranged things such that you can never reasonably concluded exist. That's where we have to go to the bible. And I know you don't think that's fishing evidence. You are correct. And actually, the second the second the words we have to go to the bible came out, you just demonstrated your bias because why didn't we go to the Koran? Well, I really was Don talking who said that we get our beliefs from our parents for the non direct. Yeah. My parents got me to believe all kinds of things that aren't true. But how does that come into play? When you were abused by your parents, and you believe that they were false prophets and believe, anyway, I don't understand what you're asking quite fall because those in that at least imply that you must like and respect your parents, doesn't, what imply you know, one expanses to honor your mother and father. But you're going back to the bible. So you so you completely derailed from the question I asked. But I don't know what you're on about now. I'm sorry. I don't know what your point is now because I asked why you went to the bible, and said the Koran and now you're saying something about what if you believe your parents were prophets or whatever. Yeah. Point to, you know, saying that I must get my beliefs. My parents, no Don, Don said, the most likely looking to the bible over the Korean. Sure, my, but didn't say anything about saying it was common when I ask why go to the bible, instead of the Koran simply saying because that's the religion. My parents, indoctrinated into that. That's probably an accurate response. But do you think it's a reasonable reason to go to the bible? No. Okay. That was the point of my question I went to the bible, because I was an ATS for years after helmet with my parents and then became a Christian because of supernatural encounter. But obviously I have no way of proving that. Yeah. The thing is what I would definitely not choose the cram, because the trans bend over and over again especially, so it's. Kill Christians Mohammed being proven to be pedophile of sorts and whatnot, some and out of the Bible's fired, or if the stories are true, which is worse. There's a reason I'm not interrupting because the longer you go on about how the Karan's been debunked. But the bible hasn't the more ridiculous. You sound so keep going. There's not really mass murder in the bible other than, you know, God, and Moses. And okay. How is that genocide when God commands Moses to kill all the media nights, but keep the young virgin for himself? You don't think that counts, genocide just because we, we the booty for ourselves we didn't kill them all. So it's not genocide. What, what about the, the Amel guides who are or to be white from the earth and all memory and then we wrote it down, so that we couldn't forget after saying, we I think that you don't actually know your bible? I know it's very well. See you're implying that these were humans. These were natural humans that were killed right? He and I know it'd be last guy. But I'm sure you're familiar with the verse that says the sons of God came down, and had intercourse with the daughters of man, and those created here old, which many few lotions, and scholars believe we're probably giants. And, you know, one of the reasons that in native American culture, they raised their hand and whatever it's to make sure that you'll have five fingers on your hand and not six. I got one injuries that. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay. Well, thanks for dehumanizing everybody as a matter of convenience. But when we're talking about killing off, you know, the various other drives and stuff. Yeah. You can claim that they were the demon spawn giants of the world, but game of thrones is over. And so this call. Plasco the day, Tom and Liverpool. Thank you so much for waiting. Please. Tell me you're not here to talk about giants in the bible. No, no. I have to say you guys are the best two guys 'cause Don takes the humor part. And you take the analytical. Anyway, I wanted to mention a thing I ran into on YouTube, one of these recommended things. Yeah. It's Ramat trees. And it's about this guy who kid who decides an atheist, and it brings them all the way to everything he encounters like, thought it was interesting. And one of the things he pointed out with the problem with Jesus and Lancer K, you know, Lazarus dies. Right. And Jesus goes to town to to the town. He's going to raise him from the dead. Why does teases cry? Well, I don't recall that level of detail in the story myself. Yeah. It says Jesus wept. When you talk to sisters. Oh, well, it's like I can Jesus was already knows number one. He's going to bring him back. Maybe was going out himself as a whip. So here. No, no. No. So let me let me let me put my southern Baptist hat on Lazarus Lazarus died and would have potentially been in heaven or paradise or something else. And Jesus had to drag him back out of that. And that's why Jesus wept. That was my next point. What, what made him think laughing is wanted to come back. That was probably the reason he cried because he didn't take Lazarus's desires into consideration or had to set them aside in order to appease, the family or make statement or demonstrators power. But yeah, I I that was kind of like being show. Sure. But, you know, we're talk we're talking about a God, that, that rain, ten plagues on Egypt, so showing off shouldn't come as any surprise anybody in volume to the next. One was the Palm Sunday thing where this goes into town on the donkey and big parade and everything. Yeah. And then a couple of days later, somebody has to point out, which one is Jesus just the guy on the donkey dealer day, went through the town. But maybe that guy wasn't there when he wrote in on the donkey, these are, and I don't I don't mean to be I get it. We can we can have fun with a lot of these maybe I'm just too serious. But the silly stuff. Or counter bulge. I literally like have no interest in, because my goal is to raise release us that will give people pause to reconsider why they believe and I get it. I, I like to have fun. I just don't have as much fun on the show with crappy arguments. But the my experience watching your show is that they just don't care. They don't listen that may be the same argument. But here's the thing, we haven't this. No, no stop. Stop. Stop. This is flawed. When you talk about people not changing their mind. This show's been on for twenty some odd years. It's not the same caller, every time people do in fact, change their mind. Thousands upon thousands of people are now secular and atheists and skeptics, because of what happened on this show it, they may not listen immediately. Okay. Well, then don't say things likely just don't want to change your mind. It's the Knicks person you in like he's got the best argument. Yeah, same one but they may have never watched the show last week. They may have never watched the show before you can't judge person based on what person beads theater said. But anyway, we're gonna let you go. We got sushi waiting and. Hungry audience. Yeah. And great Bush's in the audience. Thanks, everybody. Who tuned in? Listen, if you tuned in late, you can go back and watch my dissertation at the beginning about the current six. In other words, those are my thoughts and my thoughts, only I don't represent anybody else when I definitely don't even represent Stephen who was the only other person, I think I named by name. I'm telling you how I felt about it. Don't just trust something because somebody said, so. And if you're honest, valuation of this entire scenario after the fact is that I'm terrible and don't care. That's your prerogative. If that's the case. Don't punish others for my mistakes. Don't punish others for Stephen mistakes. Don't punish others for the boards mistakes. Don't punish others for certain members of the transportation mistake there this too shall pass. And we shall remember that we are building communities and there were people here who cared for everybody and wanted nothing but the best and had the best intentions and. Mistakes are still going to be made. If you expect one hundred percent agreement if you expect absolute perfection. If you have no ability to listen charitably you are asking to be disappointed at every turn. And I'll be one of the first ones to disappoint you, because I fuck things up all the time, but we have a community here, there's a broadening community out in the world who support the community support women's rights to choose which is currently under a massive assault. And I would like to talk about it except that if I talk about it without talking about the other issue, then I'm ignoring the other issues. So that's another reason that I wanted to, to get this out of the way address today. My sincere, thanks to Don for being patient and setting aside. The failure thing for day number sixty seven sixty seven really in four hundred sixty seven oh well, I've been at it awhile, but also thanks to all of you who watched, and who support on various YouTube patriot, and all those other things come down hang out with the AC sometime try to. Right by each other, and try to maybe find a way to forgive people when they're not as perfect as they should be, or even as good as they should be. Because we're in this together. We'll see you next week or they will Bye-bye. Now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money with the dominion, energy reliability investment. 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Lot Lot happening more bad news from around the SEC. covid Florida, reporting double digit positive tests today as we continue on, and we hope those numbers ultimately will change so far. They don't seem to be We'll talk a little bit about one program. That had a hard time getting off the ground, and that's Kansas State and a couple of minutes. We were talking to a reporter who delved a pretty deep. Into into the program that has already shut down. They'll come back hopefully in a couple of days after they regroup, but it has been a really weird couple of weeks, and we'll talk to a number of people about that. We look forward to hearing from you, and you can get in now. At Eight, five, five, two, four, two, seven, two, eight, five, in no also talked to the mayor of Tuscaloosa Alabama. He Walt Mattox and he said. I. would be cataclysmic. If Alabama football did not get off the ground this fall of course. I think you could probably repeat that in places all across the country. It is that important and we're going to talk about. What about Colin Hill? That's the story we. We touched on yesterday. Before we got off the ground, and before we got off the show, he is the. Running back in the country, the lead player for Mike. Leach and he's tweeted yesterday that he will not play this year if Mississippi does not take down the flag, which bears the confederate stars and bars on it, and this is a story that's been going on for a couple of days. already We've seen the commissioner of the SEC as well as. The head of the NCWA say they will not take either conference or Conference or National Championships to that state until the flag has come down the governor Tate Rees. has offered an alternative but apparently the player in question. Colin Hill not going along with that. We had the governor on a couple of weeks ago. One of the four hundred four governors all Republican by the way that we have had on this program in recent weeks on I take. earlier today Stephen a Smith, Stephen and Color just savaged the state of Mississippi In relation to their refusal to take away or take down the flag remember we talked to Akari showers about the other day as what we really want to hear from you because. Everyone's talking about what people in district. Should not be doing. Like to hear from people in this society. Talk about it I. think that's the most important thing you can do, so we will hear from you and again if you WANNA get in I. recommend getting a call now. Eight, five, five, two, four, two, seven, two, eight, five. That's eight, five, two, four, two, seven, two, eight five. I. It's it's. It's always interesting when people are country trying to. Shed shouldn't do. Not. Believe is the only state that's is in a position. and which troubling to me, is that living? My Life. Knowing the struggled. Just taking the stigma. AGEISM that has existed in the hard work that many people have done to try to overcome that. A lot of it seems to be going down the drain right now. especially with the way, the national media portrays it. It was interesting Stephen Ames. told the story. This wasn't a story in the sixties or Seventies. He told a story that occurred. six years ago. He said he was. He had a speech in Memphis was down. In thank you. I can't remember what circuit US either in Memphis and had to get to New Orleans and there was no other way to go, but Dr. and he said only concern driving through the state of Mississippi especially when he went into a convenience store. I was surprised by the story, but I'm not going to tell someone else what they should or shouldn't experience he. That's what he experienced also. Still nothing from NASCAR or the or the Justice Department on the investigation into Bubba Wallace. It's almost been two days now. Nearly forty eight hours since that race was rained out, and probably about forty hours maybe a little bit less than that. Since the announcement came down of the news in the garage and we don't know anything yet, it seems. Like we should be hearing something by now, but we are not anyway. Number s today as well love to hear from you, and this is a good time to get in. Would love gets especially MISSISSIPPIANS. Your reaction to what is being turned it around the country and we start with seth in Jackson Mississippi. Hyperbolic coming up. Hey great to have you on. Thank men I just I kind of want to let the country now you know as a Mississippi and going on. Don't touch thirty now. this has been an issue going all the way back to you know the early two thousand. You know it it. It's been in the legislature. Many times Thank you it was it was. Turned down shut down the last time they voted on it, but coming from a guy who you know has has some pretty strong southern heritage with having Greg grandfather who fought? For the confederacy and actually died at the battles lookout mountain. with the Mississippi Did you first regiment? anyway I. Think it's time for. you know work with with primarily at African Americans and you know they. Were all people. You Know God teaches us to love each other. Not feel like we need to. Honor that. but it's. Definitely time for a change. Well. Thank you for sharing that. like to hear I think that's an interesting way to begin the show. Casey's in Birmingham. I'm GONNA mention this, but you brought up at the flag, but I'm thinking you know. Maybe they need a change, but I'm thinking. I live here in Alabama. People of Mississippi should decide. People like Steven and everybody else how to stay out of their damn business. People in Mississippi could give a rat's say what they do in New York, flag, they flaws. And they ought to stay on Mississippi's business. Let Mississippi people decide on Mississippi flags, and I don't know. If I could just Eh. I don't want to argue but I need to just add one thing to that Sure this this isn't. This isn't a battle between Stephen, a Smith in the state of Mississippi The Commissioner of the southeastern conference started this on Thursday night I and. That's why this that's why. This is an issue and then one of the. someone who who was born in Mississippi in plays, football, Mississippi Cowan Hill, turned into a bigger store yesterday so I. Mean I, I just you know. Sports networks just don't go meeting to PICK ON MISSISSIPPI Can't they say notice on these athletes demands? I mean like wh you know used to be. Now. Her like becoming like big babies. They've got to get a yes every time. They have a problem. I just don't know where it's a slippery slope It seems like to me if you start giving in to every demand where you stop. Well I mean. It's not like Cowan Hill is asking for a private jet and an penthouse apartment. Always doing saying I think the state should take the flag down, or I'm not going to play I mean he's not It's really that simple. What are they gonNA leave it up to him. As on the new flag I mean his. He got to sign off on this thing. I don't think he wants to sign off on it. I just think the state of Mississippi could probably come up with. A flag that does not Herald. The confederacy thing is pretty simple. Every other state of the union figured out as about the NASCAR thing like you said about forty hours. You're right about forty hours. That's what I was thinking and no picture up and there's. Nobody has been arrested and that's Kars usually on top of anybody that gets in that garage this tech. You can't touch the car and you can't do this and you can't do that. Don't you find that a little bit strange? Yeah, Yeah! That's why I brought it up yes casey. Something mean I'm not trying to manage the investigation, but something's not right. But if it comes out that this is a made up story, the people that have a mainstream. Maybe that jumped on this and jump to are they gonNA backpedal and issue any apologies. No No. No. I don't think so. No I don't either and. Sir last question the last two days you've, and I've only been to two or three NASCAR races my life, I'll watch it, but I've only been to tour three at Talladega first. One was in seventy eight. And it was crazy in the end seals the last two times the sentence dance, but you've on Napalm on Nascar the last two days, but Can't you've been on the air longtime I've never heard you really call out Nascar all this kind of unfolded. Why is that have and maybe? I happen to dig up an article. I wrote in nineteen, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty eight. That's in a collection of my articles. In a book I'll. I won't bore you by reading it but I called NASCAR for being racist in that article talked about it in the ensuing days I really don't cover NASCAR anymore so I quit talking about it, but. I appreciate you. Bring that out and I think. It's a question. I would ask a lot of people who are outraged right now, but. There are very few times and I'm going to come back at you with with. Hey I did then but my record on NASCAR racism. Is. is pretty. Pretty solid but I appreciate your call. Hey, we're up against a break much more to come. You're listening to the Paul. Finebaum. Show podcast. We walk back in Really glad you are here. On a Tuesday afternoon. We have a lot to do and we're going to talk to a number of people. Covert or reports continued to rise around the country and you know. It really is somewhat. It's not difficult to explain it's easy to explain considering how many young players are not only. Around other people, but they're going out and one of the most interesting cases has been Kansas State, and we're going to talk about that in just a few minutes about how the head to completely shut down their entire. Let's grab some calls before we do that and Ralph is in New York. Hey Ralph. How you doing Paul Great Show? Executive Time Fan yeah. I WanNa talk a little bit about the whole episode with Mike Gundy, and then I wanna he get thoughts afterwards I. Don't think that the there's been fair coverage and about the whole incident. Let me explain right away. Everyone took it for face value. Would Chaba Hubbard from Oklahoma? State said he had heard on on scene online. If you will, and the truth of the matter is O., A. N. is, it's a right wing station as has mentioned, but the woman who is the Anchor Liz Wheeler is very upright. Upright religious good person and she was talking about what she was saying. She did not say that black lives do not matter that the black population of the country does an isn't worth anything. She was talking about the way that the movement black lives matter goes about doing things and disagreeing with some of their methods, and this has been take I believe were basically trying to say what's gone gone on as I think it was taken out of context, that's number one and therefore the fact that you know Mike Gundy war, Renault A. N. T. Shirt I, don't. Don't believe that there's anything really it's not like. He was wearing a shirt. Just because there's a big difference between someone saying that black lives of our country do not matter as opposed if someone is, against has a different point of view of an organization that does not make them a racist and I think trump. Hubbard reacted and there was actually an edited version of what lives Wheeler said that made it sound as if she was saying black lives don't matter. That's not what she was saying. She was talking specifically about the organization, and that being said I think this whole. Whole thing got blown out of proportion, and I think also. The young man went about it. The wrong way I think he should have I ascertained what was actually said, and from the middle, so I'd like to just say I've seen from other sports cast. It's not like anyone looked up, or it would just take a minute to go online and see what lives wheeler actually said and I I took the time to look, and she did not believe me. She did not say anything against you. Know are black population in this country. I just wanted to get your thoughts. Well I did go back. And look at it, and and you're right. Some of the some of the remarks were edited. However. However They I think what she was trying to say. We can no reason to quibble about this, but. I? I think she she didn't. She tried to say that she wasn't calling black lives matter. Organization Afar she was calling the movement Afar and it. It is interesting though. Ralph that that Mike Gundy spend a lot of time two days later, explaining how how wrong he was, about black lives may exceed me about and all that I in a sense. You're right the T shirt. itself was blown, too. Many I think a lot of talk, show hosts and people in social media. Tried to claim. That those who were after Gundy were doing it because of a t shirt that was really not the case I felt the wrath of a lot of people, but that's okay. I mean people can say whatever they want about me. That's great. Tr travel is up next and Mississippi. Hey trail. I. How you doing? Thanks for taking my call. Thank you very much. Yeah I I appreciate what you said on, I, take this on. I think he will one hundred percent correct with your statement. and. About an issue here and also I spend will carling hill on his State. And I remember back in the in the late nineties early two thousand friend that I knew they refuse to place for Mississippi State or Ole Miss. Because of the state flag and also. especially for Ole Miss Because of the the mascot, the head at the time, and also the school song. And they went outside the state and got scholarship and play there. And I think if they go back to that. They will have to do something about the stay flat. You know you don't supporting to me though I mean. Here's a university state that. The did hire Sylvester croom in two thousand and three. and it took a lot of guts to do that, but I think that conversation and I really got a little bit out of hand. I mean I i. don't know what you thought. I found Steven A. could read the New York phone book and make it entertaining, but his his drive from Memphis through New Orleans Mississippi was quite a rollicking ride. You would have to admit. There was a lot of truth what he said. You know that better than I do. Right yeah, this is of truth is understand Stephen I of viewpoint, he's an entertainer I I in my opinion and he. He gone to You know. Express yourself in a way that he know how now I don't agree with everything. They said but something. I can't agree just by growing up in the state, but. bottom line is this. We should have a stay flat. They represent every Mississippi absolutely the some. Invest in my my argument was I. Don't want to see Colin. Hill not play football. Of course not but I would I. I'll ask suggested. Was You know let's not let's not. Let's not spend our time talking about the past Mississippi. You and I both know. Considerably better place than it's ever been, but as long as that flag is flying, it is going to open the state for criticism and by the way it wasn't worth it today. And I know the governor there a little bit, and he's a smart guy and just take the stupid flag down. That's all I'm saying. Yeah I agree and I appreciate it on, thank you well. Thank you a really nice of you to call We are continuing with more calls in. Dan is in North Carolina Hello Dan. Yes sir. Thanks for taking my call. we have you know we have these monuments. We have these flags. We have these things and people say we take these down. We erase history. History exists regardless of what we do for these monuments and flax. It's what we honor in history that is what is important, and what is offensive about these things that we are choosing to honor the confederate flag to me. You can say it means. You know the confederacy. The you know the slavery. You know you could say that to me as in my lifetime, it means white opposition to integration is what it means to me. Does it mean different things to different people? Sure, but you know I'm just telling you what it means to me and what it means to different people and taking those things away does not mean that history is gone. It means that we are choosing not to honor those things. Those things are not honorable. We should. We should not. Be. We should not have monuments. We should not have people flying flags you know in the state of Mississippi or wherever NASCAR tracks where they are honoring, you know. What to me is white opposition to integration. What other people is You know the history of slavery it it. You know I've I've heard other people I've lived in North Carolina for a long time that people saying what it means to them. It's a southern heritage. It's it's all these things. Well. All those things to me mean. You don't respect black people. You want to put black people in their place and it is. It's offensive to me. And I you know I would I would I would be happy if I never saw any of those symbols again. Yeah I appreciate you, saying that I've heard both sides of it. you know when I lived in Alabama and I. Try you try to be sympathetic because you don't want to. Disparage somebody because you know their family I mean they're family fought for what they believe in. That's that's the history of the world. Okay, I may not believe in it, and you may not believe in it, but that's what they believed in, and I've always heard them. southerners tried to say they're honoring their whatever but. There comes a point when you just have to. You have to move on. There's nobody alive. That was in the civil war. I mean I'm sorry if your family got wiped out at. VICKSBURG or Shilo or But I'm my family's been wiped out to It's time to move on with our lives hurting the people that are trying to make something out of their lives. Hey, thank you for the call. Really appreciate it up against a break much more to come. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. and. We welcome you back here Tuesday afternoon. Great to have all of you with us and also really nice to welcome. Mac Ulsan to the program from the athletic There's so much going on right now especially. With players and covert Maxima deep dived into one program. thought they had some of the answers and found out. There in the same boat as everyone else, and then they reacted to it Max. Thanks for the time grey tabby on. Good afternoon Paul. So. MILLION PLACES TO GO. Let's start with Kansas State. really intrigued by your story. Here's a school that you really. Really really POPs up on the radar screen, fairly quiet and suddenly the things down for for a while. What would take us through the story? Yeah so you know Kansas State, everyone I talked to you know felt the candidate had a good plan. Good thorough plan for forgetting their football team back to campus safely back into football workouts and they brought in a group of more than ninety players, initially mostly their veteran players tested all of them, and they had zero positive test for for covid nineteen, and then they brought in a smaller group of players more of their you know freshmen and transfers, and a a some of those guys basically got tested on Friday. And didn't get the results back until Monday and over that weekend they were out with a large group of players added a few parties around town and you know Lake Party House party nothing too crazy, but they get back on Monday and to the players. Find out that they've tested positive. You know. They were asymptomatic, so they had. No idea that something was wrong or that they had it or anything, and of course, because of that it spread through the team and you had a few more players test positive, and then through contact tracing they figure out they need to test more than fifty players on the team again and and got six or seven positives out of that, and felt that once I got to fourteen and going from zero to fourteen, and and really a matter of a few days as they needed to shut things down and really reset here for two weeks and try to get back to zero. Max Interestingly was anyone else was anyone else? affected other than just the players. no, no, at least as far as we know, no staffers affect anything like that, and now they are going to a gene Taylor. Deedee told me that they are going to retest. Their coaches and staff has been around those players. This week, but that that's certainly part of the issue and luckily. They're not just. Doing this out of concern for their football team in their football season, but you know they've also seen a spike in positive tests in the county that they're in, and it's a small community. Manhattan Kansas so. They have to be concerned about you know. Are they sending Clare's out into the public? Who who would read this? Again we're we're still in the early days of of return to to work out so I mean these are all voluntary workouts and I'm just interested as you reported this story and talk to people Does it give you a sense at all? Where we are other than the numbers keep going up. Yeah you know it's interesting. I think we saw with Lsu and Clinton and case. Say these programs when you see the headlines. Last week about the number positive tests, how you see a lot of people sort of reflexively freak out and say there's no way there's going to be a season, but I mean to me in talking to talking to post this story and around the country think the senses what they expected positives now. They didn't expect pases in the way that Kansas State got them. Or some of the ways that maybe Lsu, Delasin, but part of this process is trial and error unfortunately, and you have to learn how to you know you have to learn how to establish and improve your protocols is go through this. You know when when a player test positive needs to isolate. How long did they do that before they recovered? You know when you do. Contact tracing after that and and have players. Corentin Kerala you know. How long do you have to do that and so I? Think part of this process. Is You know the case they didn't. Freak out I, mean they? They understood they need to things down and reevaluate their their protocols, but. Honestly Paul like we know there's not going to be a vaccine here in the next few weeks, so you have to learn how to manage this stuff and and figure out. How is this going to work in September? Yeah Anthony out she that a as possible we could see a vaccine by the end of the year. That's not going to help college football, maybe Maybe Baseball As you watch this unfold. Max and we're all trying to figure it out What do you here You certainly talked a lot of different people I is there. Is there growing skepticism, or is this something that you worked through and hope to rectify by the time camp opens here in a couple of weeks. Yeah I. Mean Look I think. Especially in the case of Kansas State? It's like this is a setback and you can't have. Too many more stoppages if you're GONNA. Try to prepare to to be ready to play even obviously, but you know certainly like the some of the pessimism skepticism that's come up in the past. I get it. It's warranted in some ways because. Remember we're. We're going through this trial. Run here with no other students on campus. So you know this is sort of like. The state bubble attempted this to try and get this right, and and they're still going to be you know mistakes made with this process, but man it's. It's hard to say because there's just so much. That's going to improve including just. Even testing, you know I mean I think there needs to be cheaper testing more access to testing. With more accurate results, I mean lots of basically there's still a lot that has to continue to kind of evolve here in the next few months forever and I feel like this. This season can go on in a way that if you feel like is similar enough to what we're used to. It seems pretty obvious. Max that there is a deep resolve to to get to the college football season. I understand that and why wouldn't you understand it but Have, you heard any of the. Contingency plans floating around I? Mean they're? They seem to be everywhere, but nobody is obviously showing them to people like you and but Y-. If if it doesn't go perfectly what what happens then. Yeah that I. I, I honestly I think we both wished that we we had some firm answers on that stuff and I think a lot of people are sort of waiting to hear you know what what guidelines are these conferences going to establish? Especially the five leagues I from talking to eighty and folks that schools. They're wondering what they're. League's going to tell them in terms of what the standards are at wh-. The backup plans are and you know look you got. It needs to be pretty clearly established because we saw how chaotic it was march, when suddenly the rigo bear deal happens and and all these conference. Conference Tournament and then tournament, and all the spring events all SORTA get canceled in one day right so you have to have some some plans in place so that you know with as much information as we gather here I know it's hard to make those decisions today, but yeah I think we're all looking forward to hearing what these leagues have to say about any additional. You really hope that they're collaborating with each other and getting on the same page of these things because I think that would be one of the more you know. Chaotic outcomes of all this is this leagues are all kind of different plant. In. When you talk to people Three weeks ago, everyone seemed really confident and story. We're talking about with you is clearly one of the most. Negative. Do, you feel the the case. The case state story the Clemson Lsu Florida confirmed today that they're in double digits other schools are you and I? Both know were in double digits, but they're not. They're not announcing it. Does this Does this portend anything, or is it just Is it still lay June and Decisions like this. Really don't need to be made for a few weeks. Well honestly, I I think that's part of it. I think it. It's interesting that the schools like Lsu and Clemson and K. State that that are transparent about this stuff and come out. And say here's exactly what we're dealing with. kind of get like the most negative attention for this stuff. Because as you both know, there's so many programs that are refusing to disclose what they're dealing with right now, whether whether it's better or worse, we just don't know so you like. You hope they're sharing that information with each other and you hope that these leagues have a good sense of what they're dealing with right now. Because that's that's hard for any of us to sort of report on this and to know what direction this is heading. You've still got a lot of schools who feel. That, it's their right, citing hip or whatever else that they can't disclose. They're dealing with and I think that information is really important right now. for everybody to have a good sense of of just the severity of this and what? What, what things need to change? And if this returned to campus plan is actually working so far. Max? Great piece in the Athletic Maxa one of these days we'll talk football hopefully soon. Thank you very much for coming on. Great thank you. You Bet. Great to have you on. We'll continue with more phone calls in reaction to all this after this. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. Is your money not sure what to do with itself? Right now? At ally, they'll help it save for the future with their smart savings tools. Bucket your money for the things that matter most analyze you're spending and save automatically all on top of a competitive rate for all things money. You deserve an ally. Visit A. L.. L. Y. dot com slash savings for more INFO ally. Do it right ally bank member FDIC! We welcome. You back. continuing on and let's. Check out cabinet in Vicksburg Mississippi Hello Kevin. Hi, Paul. How's it going? It's great. Thank you, okay. I'll just call them and say oh. I do support the movement to change the flag because I've been missing my whole life on forty four years old I drive trucks but I think. The main thing I think it needs to be moved as you know, basically because of the racist by. And mainly because of economic value, a lot of people even before these protests happened won't bring a job to states like Mississippi. Arkansas high paying jobs for two main companies won't come because of the issues with the flags, and I think it needs to be moved. Because now I'm not gonNA knock anybody's heritage and say what they. Feel like their grandparents eat into seal awarded great grandparents, but maybe some of these people ought to think about the grandchildren or their great grandchildren, because there's no jobs here. What grandchildren and great grandchildren they're going to do. And I think it needs to be moved because economic value and spoils, the sports go with somebody who's players sitting out if you look at it, even black, not only black players, but even some of the white players won't come to old Miss Mississippi state because of what the flag represents what they coach represents. We have a lot of five star player in four star. Players will go out and go to another school to get a scholarship. And two or three years to play when it could be a starter admits to be an old miss, but they won't do because of their coach. and. That's all ahead on all. Thank you for. That is a great point. Thank. You Kevin really appreciate that. Let's talk to Dustin next. Who is in Mississippi Hello. Hey how's it going Paul? That's great. Thank you. yeah, I don't know man I get. Kevin's come from I I really do agree with him, but. It also is a part of history and a lot of people. Don't see it as racism. You know what I mean. Yeah I, mean I get that you know it had to do with slavery and everything, but that's not what the whole civil war was about. You know what I mean. I'm to the point now where? I'm going to leave the civil war to the historians. Again! Doesn't really matter to me anymore. I know that sounds cavalier, but it didn't really affect me so I'm moving on. And I hate to see the guys from Mississippi state sitting out. You know what I mean I want them to get a chance and everything, but I completely understand where they're coming from, but I think everybody just needs learn how to get along man regardless no matter how bad or indifferent. was everybody's just we all gotta live here, you know. I understand that, but let me ask you this I. If. I mean Mississippi I I grew up. Twelve miles from the border so I'm I'm fairly familiar with the state If you put something else on that flag in prospered from it, what would be what would be the damage? No damage I don't see any damage because of it, it's just I mean a lot of people I guess growing with it and everything. It just means more to almost like you're taking. Mississippi away from I mean I know it's just a flag, but it's just like you're taking the history out of Mississippi kind. I guess. But I mean I I. I do agree with what Kevin said 'cause I mean you know there's no opportunity here you know anything. Help change to gain more opportunity with the thing that bothers me and I related the story. I'm on a show today. That scene by a lot of people with. Steven A. and Max! Kellerman and you know they're both ripping into the state I. I want to say guys. Have you ever been to the State Stephen tells a story about his one encounter and my point being. A lot of damage is done when people do what they did and if this flag was. Had A magnolia I. Don't whatever Mississippi Represents. The state wouldn't have been hit that hard and that that to me is the issue at some point, you just simply have to determine. It's not worth it any longer. Thanks for the call. David is up next Hey David. Hi Paul. Thanks for taking my call today I am doing great. Thank you. I am a long time listener and I. Talked to some of the guys who filled in for you but I've never had an opportunity to talk to you so I'm. Well I'm really happy. We made this happen. I I want to preface what I'm on say by. Every essay that I wrote when I was in high school anytime I had to write essays or stories I wrote about Martin Luther King Junior. My favorite day of the year. Of your show, it's Martin Luther King's birthday when we always get to hear what I call the call. Right now, this is an thank you for saying that. That you reply, but you might a statement early. You said that you said to caller that no one alive today. Phone the civil war right. Correct. No one, alive today on slaves either. That is also correct. you know the fact is that we are all that there is no black man, no Hispanic man, no red man, what we're all the same. We're all created equally in the image of God and I'm bud top a positive. You could take my blood and give it to a black man to say positive and Steiner's life You could take a Hispanic man. WHO's eight positive? Give it to me and sustain. My Life made me. And I really believe we cannot change history going forward by rewriting history. That's already happening. You know even. Let me. Let me say I don't WanNa leave your thoughts because we're unfortunately at the end of the hour. Really. Glad, we were able to talk. I think he made a very poignant. Point here and I hope we can continue this with a little more time in the future. Thank you very very much. We're up against a break. You want to give us a ring. 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BlockChannel #59- Insight on Crypto Investing with Ari Paul

The Bitcoin Podcast

33:58 min | 7 months ago

BlockChannel #59- Insight on Crypto Investing with Ari Paul

"So go let you go. All was fast one win. Torch man would have four five steps to the door like all my gosh cash running back and I couldn't believe I'm store is conceived for. No reason is in season button day. You can find me. Baby Jabeen go. Hey guys welcome back. A block channel. We're back for episode fifty nine not quite episode sixty which have been a nice way to start off this next season so we just finished up season freedom on last episode episode fifty eight finishing up talking with everyone working on interoperability working on. You know freedom enhancing tools. You know trying to sort of expanded general's base in the now. We're moving into Alamo. Where like to call season bull run So this'll be mostly be trying to have discussions with Investors in this space speculators in space etc. It's SORTA SORTA like work our way down the line to the different important stakeholders and that makeup the overall governance of Crypto And so you know that includes the retail investors developers. The foundations cooperatives etc. And so. We're going to try and focus on those that are helping to bring the quitting space manage assets also invest into like other projects and things like that And so you know as myself as an investor to I'm it's always great to talk and learn From her millennials like Denton Space And so the this season will mostly be focused on that and joining me again for another awesome season Dmitri a little bit busy entitled lately so today I was able to. Just get corey. Pity on here with me. So Introduce yourself to the audience for episodes fifty nine absolutely excited about the new season. Hope it's aptly named Doctor Corey petty from the BITCOIN. Podcast that work and status The doing a lot of Token economics research. The past years are excited to kind of get into this part of the discussion with different different types of people. We haven't done that yet and so I think it's going to be fun. We don't you guys talk about this stuff on hashing it out podcasters mostly just a low levels. Though it's mostly low level technicals. We HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO CHRONIC. Shed every may end up doing that but not sure yet Okay well Will that be are the perfect guest to have on from the space that I'm sure if you're in CRYPTO In the future definitely heard of them before very handsome gentlemen Ari Paul when one of the more popular faces on Crypto. Twitter looks really great glasses So essentially so we're going to be talking to a hint today about his firm in but not necessarily what he does with most probably familiar with him. So we'll just try and give you a brief inter m give you a brief introduction. Sees me and then we'll kind of just go into other topics You know maybe like you know token engineering things like that. Like peyton mentioned Greg Governance when you know we'll just sort of riff on it so are adapting second. You just introduce yourself to the audience and just give us a however you feel is the most brief introduction of yourself. Yeah Hey Steven A. I Really a pleasure to be here every time I've chatted with you over the last couple years I've always learned a lot so You know I've I've appreciated our friendship and and it you know in in how I define myself I on my twitter handle I student And that is very much myself in the space and you. You've been a great teacher so thank you for that The really brief intro I was in the traditional financial world. I as a derivatives trader trading options electricity commodities treasury bonds then. I was a portfolio manager for the Chicago Endowment which is kind of very long term investing So I really only joined the crypto world in two thousand seventeen. I've been investing before that but I didn't really kind of join the community until twenty seventeen and yet it's it's very much i. I love this industry because there's so much learn so much changing and we get to philoctetes it's really interesting. Mix of being a futurist and a philosopher. Trying to think about you know How this can impact your politics and and humanity and so into perfect introduction in so that being said Where you are now in weakened be succinct. Maybe you can just give us a quick introduction on what you're doing now as a block our yeah so in two thousand seventeen co-founded blocked our which is crypto investment firm and yet we do everything Active trading early stage investing kinda anything and everything goes also being said. You've been in the space for a relatively. You know short period of time compared to most people but already pretty well Tivoli well-known. Why do you think that is where where? Where did you find yourself interjecting yourself? I as a relative newcomer coming in and around twenty seventeen from a more traditional finance background. With where did you find your place where you're able to kind of pick up everything kind of really get up to speed yet? You know honestly. No one was more surprised than me that I like shot to prominence in two thousand seventeen so quickly And the reason for that really simple I think there was just a lack of kind of air quotes Wall Street people Public and Crypto and so the crypto community had there's real demand for for basics from Wall Street. So like I'll do tweet. Storms really simple Introductions to how options work how that might apply to Crypto and thinking about portfolio management risk management and applying that to crypto and. I think there's a lot of demand for that content and then similarly on Wall Street I I think I think it was a translator. So I would pitch Crypto to Wall Street Wall Street's own language and I would explain to the crypto world. Why people like Warren Buffett and Jimmy? Diamond were wrong right like like I think. Part of the reason people like me was twenty. Seventeen you would all these financial luminaries. You had Nobel Prize winning economist. You had billionaire hedge fund managers all saying that. Bitcoin's a bubble and then someone like me saying hey guys I come from that world. I understand their arguments. And here's why the wrong you know. And that's a message that is very well received. That's one hundred percent true. I've always found that like the translators they can put a foot in both both sought both sides end up becoming Surfacing to the top much much quicker because they have a larger audience right. If you can talk to both people you can speak both languages. The process of that. You can break down things in the language of the people you're talking to and a part of that is kind of where I want to go with. The question is A lot of people who do I guess? Evaluations are trying view. Crypto currency from traditional financial perspective tend to use models from the financial world which don't quite encompass like the breadth of cryptocurrency because cryptocurrencies brand new asset. In my opinion it transcends the idea of of old money which means that the models to us from previous places can never actually fully grasp that type of thing you haven't given like inside us like what people are doing now or attempt to change that need to be made to start actually getting a better picture of currency could be from a financial perspective totally agree. I never tried to twist. Whilst REMODELS FIT CRYPTO It's more like More applying high level concepts so for example like Especially in the investment side. So if you're managing a portfolio crypto assets in some ways that similar to a portfolio of fx or commodities things like management. Don't change that much but totally agree I don't know that there's an when you're talking about actual financial modeling for longer term investments. Slightly you know. What is something worth? I've actually found very little valuable from Wall Street. there are some assets like The binds coin or Leo the BIFF INEX- Coin. That are somewhat like equity where you can try to apply kind of discounted cash flow model. Even there I try to constantly caution people like. Hey Guys. This is an equity. You don't have the same legal rights. There's all this counterparty risk you know But but value something like if you're in Bitcoin. I haven't found anything useful from Wall Street. Really so it it is a new world and that's something. I love so you know you things like the fat protocol thesis from grow and then Crisper Nikki adding MVP Q. In then everything from Willie on chain stuff to You know there's a constant integration of new valuation methods. They're all so broad so high level so abstract. I think they're good thought experiments. I don't have a concrete model. I I'll tell you that the only the only that I have any model for really bitcoin. And here's the mental model. I use I think the addressable market but it's trying to answer is The closest analogy is the offer banking system which twenty thirty trillion and the offer banking system. It is used for Things like illegal activity but it's also used by every large. Us Company and every billionaire in the world even law-abiding ones and they want to have their assets stored in a seizure resistant way so like the this is this is the example used the converts the most people on Wall Street to Bitcoin It's Amazon has money. Offer banking system. Why because if they didn't if they had all of their assets in New York state bank a single judge could freeze their account pretrial Amazon. Shut their doors. The next day because it will be insolvent Amazon. It's not that you want to get away with illegal activity that you WanNa have your day in court and you really want your five to ten years in courts. You've assets spread all over the world and all different legal jurisdictions so that one capricious judge in New York state. Can't just arbitrarily shut you down so my mental model is I think bitcoin is competing with the banking system. But it's much much much better And if everyone around the world could make use of that you know in a cell phone APP with thousand dollars or one hundred dollars no friction at all how many more people would have equivalent of a Swiss bank account. So I'm pretty confident that use case is something like fifty plus trillion and then you say okay well. What are the odds? Bitcoin wins that maybe it doesn't maybe theorem winds. Maybe something else wins. She apply some discounts of that similar to a seats. Hvac mindset you know. Can you dress will market is fifty trillion? Maybe we think this project is a ten percent chance of capturing that or a five percent so that gives you at least some Super Rut like basically the only model I have and it's kind of like an early stage. Vc approach to new technology so that being said taking early stage reecey approach When it comes to you know block tower on your new investments. You guys generally focused on you know just like Path actively trading a headstone manor against like the general market or. Do you guys like setup to also make investments in ABC standpoint. What what do y'all like normal focus in of that. Which gives you? What are you most interested in right now? Yeah I'm I maybe frame it this way so I mean I'm an investor in this industry because I believe in the giant long term potential. My Day job is most is more on the active side. Might my personal background is as a traitor in an also portly matter but not really I was never gonNa Veasey provisionally so But blocked our does also do some early stage investing It's a minority of what we do. It's not the primary focus Frankly part of the reason that I like us doing everything is this is such a tiny industry and so many synergies synergies a terrible word but What I need that is it's very. I don't know what it means to be an investor in liquid tokens and ignore the liquid. Because it's such an artificial divide right like you might have a more mature project. That is not yet exchange-listed and you have a bunch of exchange-listed projects for the main that has been launched right even your see twenty older so if I invest in theory him and I completely agree for all the early stage competitors with uranium. I feel like I'm not doing my job. Like I kinda need to compare the liquid and the liquid so I want to be looking at this early stage deals to know what might come in displace at your Emmer Bitcoin or you know something else. Does differ prevailing sentiment in thoughts around the sort of illiquid in unlatched side. Have detained like your day to day or month to month. Trading Strategies When you look at the overall market when you say hey like if this is the position rather go short against a position rather belongings are you also comparing it against like a string of maybe soon to launch or potentially soon to launch Monday as relation. Question usually not day to day but it does more thematically civic sample like in two thousand seventeen especially twenty seventeen theme that we're all of these ICO's theoretical if you're in killers and they were all pretty much. They were kind of garbage. They were minor iterations. They're like Oh let's take a theory. Menendez one little thing which makes no sense. Anyone out there is going to launch a new protocol. You have to be ten X BETTER THAN ONE EXAM TODAY. You CAN'T. You can't be iterative you can't take on facebook saying you're GONNA be facebook with one extra feature right like network effects so that was a that whole string of. Ico's was dumb but you know we saw that wave coming and we saw the attention was getting in the interest and that did impact my thinking. On how theory was likely to do you know at at around that stage. So it's it's less day to day in a little more thematic a here's another example like if we see a bunch of early stage projects that look like they might leapfrog. Minero and Z. Cash on privacy tech that might impact you know making on on those assets over the next six months exactly exactly take similar apportionment kind of dislike taking a high level view of the overall prevailing since both financially in the in the existing liquid markets but also technically on both did liquid and liquid side on string of milestones releases etc that might affect the overall market when they ought to have made the consideration of the likelihood of the I guess the pedigree of those teams actually getting exchange listings in any any viable markets. Actually make them competitive even generate yourself any off depending on how you had things setup so yes I take similar for the two one other thing. I'd add one piece as I have. That is is one of my more strongly. Held once is that gaming is going to be a really interesting thing in the crypto ecosystem over the next few years. Probably one of the first Mainstream cases and when I'm looking at the base protocols like a theory of Tron Yaas all of those and we're trying to figure out okay. We're is going to be the most adoption. You shouldn't growth over the next year or two right like forget about your long-term view on on where developers going to build as if you're GONNA get all of that share and so like we talked to a lot of early stage DA- projects and you know like there was briefly a period. Where a bunch said they were looking at. Ron and another period. Where Bunch said they were looking at. He Austin so obviously matters to like. I think it was a placeholder that just published their valuation metric for protocols which is just basically. You measure the value of the Tokens on top. I do that another thought experiment. I certainly wouldn't use that evaluation techniques -plicitly but it is interesting thing about and so you know if we saw massive wave of really say projects that are going to build on lightning. Let's say and we saw that. They were credible. They might get consumer adoption That would certainly people bitcoin and bullish the equity of lightning startups. You know and I'll say on that point like you see a hint of it but it's still super hard to build a consumer APP on lightning like it still feels a little too early for that to really take off. That was kind of curious like I feel like the scope of things to keep track of these days has gotten so broad. So it's almost it's almost impossible. Maybe not you can tell me this to keep it a full perspective on what's happening across the board. And how do you? How do you parse through the muck of good projects bad projects quantity of projects to try and get that kind of those overall trends to see to to make those decisions on man? It's it it is impossible. I think to keep track of everything. I I used to feel guilty about that now. I just accepted as the reality So I I think actually in two thousand seventeen a funny comment a Zuko. Wilcox founders cash. Asked me if I'd heard of some project I forget what it was and I said No. I haven't heard of it. And he was. He was feeling bad that he hadn't heard of his privacy focused project. And it's like you know I stephen and Corey role working crazy hours were in this ecosystem. We're living breathing and drinking and there's so much I don't know about you guys may be it for me. At least there's so much that I don't hear about. Oh Yeah I. I used to think that I can keep up with everything in the nose at some point within the past maybe eight months a year. I was like no out I used to be able to. I used to do it regularly. And I I was proud of that and then I got some pointers like I am miserable trying to and I'm not even be capable of doing it. So you have to specialize in some way I can can just accept that and it matters less than you might think on the investment side so on the tech side. It probably matters a lot because you wouldn't want to be building on an obsolete technology or miss you know. A major is an investor. Though you don't it doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter because basically you can get in as long as you head of the hurt. It doesn't really matter when you get in as long as your head of the masses right and so for those of us who were you know insiders if that's a great word but like you know living breathing the industry. We can be pretty confident. We're going to get in pensions right. Like whatever that new thing is if we thought that You know pick your favorite protocol outside of the biggest ones we thought that was going to caucus world at least for some niche. You and I and the listeners here are certainly going to hurt of it before a pension investment you know so I that that's what lets me sleep at night that I don't either to be the first to identify the next killer protocol. I just need to be head of the herd and frankly that's that's fairly easy. I think because you know I mean ninety nine point nine percent world barely knows. Bitcoin is yes true. I guess it just depends on the scale and how much money you have access to whether it's your own personal wealth or institutional wealth. It's it's it's as long as you're at least ahead of the game near here now. You're following day to day. You're probably going to hear an inkling of something worth something way before you know anyone with enough bags of put it anywhere near anything exciting. You might miss the seed rounds but likes and that matters of course but but in the big picture. So what? Right like maybe. Maybe he didn't mind the coin and twenty nine. Maybe you got in in two thousand twelve. You're still pretty happy today. Of course there's there's there's at least a trend there you should be aware of and that is whenever you stop trying to go to the source of everything and and figure it all yourself tend to rely on people who aggregate aggregate information. See your kind of trusting someone else to feed you proper information or you're relying on different sources that aren't aren't you? Use specifically and that that these a little bit of room to catch the bias of someone else and and Miss Industry because it's so small in swayed by money. That could be a dangerous thing. I think you have to look out for that. As an investor. I feel like those. You're the audience that people like that would go go after at least try to get the the mindshare attention of you have you have you. Have you witnessed? That felt that are rare. Vet Yet totally. You know. This is actually a very few things I think. I'm good at Which is weighing competing expert opinions and Divine End Kind of separating out their biases. So yeah I mean this is like I. I'm not technical. I don't pretend to be a cryptographer and engineer I rely entirely on technical experts to tell me what's real and the very best technical. Experts in the space will air quotes lie and lie air quotes meaning. They will make declarative definitive statements with confidence because their biases right. I mean what am I? Favor examples no use him because he's he's so brilliant I think he's a few people like in the world that I've used like scary brilliant The topic is definitely one of them. Greg Maxwell is another These are people like you'll get Greg Maxwell's work on the cutting edge equipment like there. Aren't that many people in the world who can even follow it and someone like Maxwell who early in bitcoins life famously said that. He had proven that. Bitcoin could never work like he literally wrote wrote on a message board. I have mathematically proven. That doesn't work right. He of course then was converted and his team actually wasn't even wrong. He was kind of claimed he was proving. I think if I remember right that Bitcoins model wasn't truly Byzantine fall tolerant. So he was actually right. It just happens to work in practice. But the point is that you know if you're turning to Maxwell for a judgment on a theory him you know there's a lot of ice there right. He's a million times smarter than me but I can still discount his opinion and adjust for bias and of course of the Theorem. Experts of you know so I think we have to do. Is You have to collect competing opinions like you're so if I'm trying to evaluate a new privacy. Coyne I'm GonNa ask you know Ricardo's back need Minero Zucca Wilcox Z. Cash their opinion on it if both of them tell me the grudgingly that it's not a total scam meeting the man. Yeah I definitely I definitely agree there so that being said outside of just like the general I guess technical portion. Like where do you if you guys are going to make like for instance like early stage related vest means I those? Are those used to sort of like inbounded. From like your generalize like network or are like are heard are there ever actually instances where it's Oh. This person is actually brilliant and they have an idea here and I'm gonNA put everything in front of him to make this thing There've been there've been a couple of cases where it was a little more the latter but frankly were not At least currently not structured terribly well to be like really early seed stage. Vc firm that a scouting talent relying on other firms to do that. And then they'll either bring us into rounds because You know they they think we can add value or even a mixed capital One thing I tried to focus on a little bit is Projects that are less technical. So like I'm not GonNa be as good at you know. Validating an early stage protocol as you are or as polly chain is or is a lot of other firms are that are much more. Technically focused where I think we might You know have more of comparative advantage. Things on that are a little more commercial focus. So there's a lot of crypto projects even prod even dapper example. Where obviously the tech has to be right. But it's not really a tech project. Use a project you look at facebook. Facebook is not a tech company. Right yes service after work. Yes their data centers have to function. Yes you know. All of that matters but as an investor don't look at his Tech Company. You look at it as a consumer company you know so. I think the same Struan Crypto. There's lot adapt projects where you need to confirm that their engineers know what they're doing but really it's a bet on the go to market on consumer acquisition on On on the business side and those are the projects where we can also add more value just because we have a little more experience in that area academic more actually. It's one of those situations. Where were we have a lot of people say the vast majority people right now? Who are developing things looking at Really really low layers in the stack. There are a lot of engineers doctors people who have kind of actually now alcon to crypto currencies school and some curation performing university got decrease that way but what we're lacking autoways ways is is user facing applications that just work for them that utilize a lot of tech that that everyone else's building and I think the next wave of things. It's going to be that type of stuff or at least the big thing about what people say like the adoption killer of the killer APP what. Brexit brings mass adoption things like that. It's going to be something that people Going to give you an example of something. I always say When I was younger I I didn't have an xbox. I only reason I got one is because I needed to play halo two. That's the only reason and so I had to buy the tech to facilitate the need and right now. There isn't a lot of need right now. Cryptocurrency for for people who don't quite understand it or care about it to go out and use it totally I grant. Who was he was either Jason Haaretz a USB published a good piece on on on the debate basic which comes first attack or the applications that was USB and that was a danny grant in another person that friend of mine yeah I think maybe Nick Nick I'm GONNA mess up. His last name. Is Nick Nick? Newly partner use the. I think he can wonder that. There's great peace in and just to summarize if it listeners and if you Google Google it's on usb blog talk yet. I mean there was basically just That it there is no single. Answer that interrupt that basically you get you get a little bit attack and some hobbyists play with it and you get a little bit of adoption. And then the tech is a is a limiting factor. Right in that you can't get more an option so then there's more tacked on. There's more adoption than his more tech So I think prior to maybe twenty seventeen there was a general sense that Twenty seventeen there were so many issues of consumer focused and then we realize it's too early There is an you know we we need. We need more scale ability. I we need more Stability and protocols we need you know like it. It's very hard to talk about having distorted if you're gonNA talk about storing like token is assets. And there's even questions around multi sick. You know insecurity around that like and then also the infrastructure in the industry so things like custody like trying to pitch a casual user to buy your token to play a game and they have to use a ledger. Hardware Wallet And I I have this debate. Constantly people in Crypto. They're like are your Nydia lead for not hard to use Your grandmother is not going to use one. And you're and your brother's probably could use one You know they. They still have a couple of hours of learning curves and the idea that you could lose your money. If you fail to back up your seat properly is pretty terrifying. The average person so the general infrastructure of the industry also wasn't And probably I think we're getting really close But like no one's GONNA use Madame ask period. You know what I mean. I've met a mask is a command line. Interface like engineers in the seventies. Were like what do you mean? Emails argues you just compile your email in a you know links cam line But the average person can use command line. The average person's never can use Meta mask. The percentage is it isn't even gonNA use a modern hardware wallet. Because they're they're not plug and play right like now in a world. Where the IPHONE? Steve Jobs obsessed over whether it would take three or four clicks to get into the heart of an application from the Main screen you know. So I think we're finally at the point where The simplest use cases Are Ready for that. If theorem defy I think is pretty much ready You know they're working on. Ui But you know it's Kinda ready Games I think scale abilities effectively also like we run a loom validated for example And you don't need l. One level security to store your level. Ten wizard So I think saleability is basically solved for a lot of minor use cases So it is largely a UI issue Looking at the gaming space there haven't been that many games that are fun to play that you would just actually WanNa play service CRYPTO and. I think I'm optimistic. That's going to change. We are seeing a real fun game development. I actually have an analyst who works with me steeply and tasked him with playing a lot of this terrible job. It's terrible. It's funny the first day I had him do what he lost. One hundred dollars Through Meta mask. And it's not you know and that's common like even engineers will say they make some mistake. Meta mask and end up losing money because it just it's awkward it's But we are seeing the first wave of games that could just be playable on their own and then you tack the critter. Like here's here's how I think it's GonNa work. You're going to download a game on your iphone APP. You're going to get to the level five. Not even knowing Crypto game it just fun viral game. It's angry birds. You know. And then level five pop message says hey by the way if you want to transfer your items into our sister game you can do that if you wanna sell your items of your character on Ebay. You can do that because you own your stuff. And here's how but you won't have to do it. It'll be fun at onto an already viral game. I agree and by the way the the the article you're referencing before is called the myth of the infrastructure face and that was written by Danny Grant and Nick Grossman from Union Square Ventures Scotsman Eh Guy Yup and You know that being said you know a is there? Is there any applications or is there any like d fire related activities platforms etc? That give you a more either. Like bullish outlook on the space in short order midterm. Or do you see us still kinda threw a you know another like maybe short midterm exploratory phase before we get there it it is going somewhat slowly. Like I'm not seeing I. I think we are seeing some gaps that are getting closer to that viral level. But I don't I don't know that we're there yet. I personally haven't seen the game or the data that I'm like man. I can totally see this. Just organically going viral once. It's in the IPHONE STORE. You know I haven't quite seen that like like. I think we're getting there but it my guess on this bull run into tied into the the name of your new season I do think for the next six months probably twelve to eighteen. This'll probably more store value story. I think it's GONNA be slow to get to that point where you know basically the promise a twenty seventeen of all these killer APPs Really see the next six months. I think it's more like twelve to eighteen And that's that's optimistic. That's hoping that You know that the people create some great apps agree you is agree that in so Last question here steady. If you don't have another one okay it's GonNa GonNa just like closing up with just like your thoughts around like you know what lessons have you learned. As an asset manager in the space you transition from the traditional climates Space aside from always being you know a student and always being open to learn from different subject matter experts which is always important. When you're going to any jargon heavy you know Industry but hope to transition over across binary skills aside from that. What is what is what is the lesson you've picked up do your transition and his reign board from someone who might be looking from the outside from traditional finance in looks to move into. Quebec. Let's see so for specific to me. The thing that I really didn't anticipate so I was very aware. That crypto has these bear cycles that every two years we've had eighty percent less crashes. I fully expected that cycle to repeat what I didn't really take into account was the impact that would have on the business side. So the idea that you have to deal with like hiring in. Hr in the top of a raging bull market which presents its own challenges right. Everyone's confident they're gonNA make a million dollars in the next month and everyone's becomes very shortsighted and then dealing with hr at the depths of a bear market where people are thinking about even stay in the and is is crypto dead and you know people's family members bringing them. And saying you know were you okay and all that stuff right so having to deal with both the bull and bear side running a business at those extremes so close together Definitely was a lot of work and Kind of caught me off guard and to tie that into a broader lesson. I think Like I'm always surprised. People in traditional finance with Ari the fact that Bitcoin fell eighty percent invalidate. Your ipod assistance. Like no that's what it does every two and a half years. That's part of the model almost if it is a boom bust cycle for a bunch of reasons that even Toshi kind of predicted that instead. That's part of how you get. Adoption is through that speculative greed you know so similarly when people enter the space either as traders investors as developers be mentally prepared for that. It's not if it's when you'll have another eighty percent crypto crash where the public media declares the CRYPTOS debt. If you mentally are prepared for that it's almost like the STOIC mentality of like practicing poverty like tell yourself like this. This is less of a message for now is more of a message for hopefully in six or twelve months when we're in a mania phase And you know the question is if it's when you're in will be ten thousand dollars coin When that's happening remind yourself. This will fall eighty ninety percent at some point. My relatives will ask me if I was an idiot for being in this industry immensely prepared for that. Of course if you sold at the top that time could you learn your lesson this time? Hopefully then you'll have enough leftover your treasury. When you pay taxes to take care of yourself you can buy back low. And that's that's the importance of Crypto. I always made the joke many times. And it's just like you comment early. If you've been in crypto within two years was a good chance that you're gonNA have to evangelize yourself back to black Because you're GONNA have to eventually yourself on the wrong end of Wendy cycles and it just GONNA have to learn. Learn learn and so you're back above water and And so yeah so so that being said thank you for coming on all right. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us again and you know please please continue to share educate in Nubia translator for industry. A definitely a appreciate your particular flavor in. It's always been a pleasure working with you learning alongside you Collaboratively in this industry. So thank you for all you do and petty the everything else not. I'll get extra coming on. I really enjoyed that. Thanks so much Stephen. Corey death figuring much. Ram We'll have you back on hopefully in the future in the midst of all the mania and we'll see how your thesis have changed and maybe you'll get really exuberant matured into a movement us. Maybe maybe cheers guys. Thank you so go past one win torch. Eamon would have four five steps door. My Gosh cash only background check couldn't believe I'm store is conceived for. No reason is in season button now a day. You can find me baby. Nbc Them Johnny. Go and see.

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Hour 2: Dino Babers and Louis Riddick join

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Hour 2: Dino Babers and Louis Riddick join

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Also tune in for college football action tomorrow as Stanford baddest count battles California presented by Dr Pepper. Coverage begins at seven PM eastern on ESPN radio ESPN radio dot com and the ESPN app. I'll tell you what I'm going to be doing before. I'll watch that game before I'll watch Stanford California. I'm gonna tell you exactly what I'm gonna be doing. I'm gonna have my face glued to the television because tomorrow afternoon in New York City at Yankee Stadium of all places. The Notre Dame fighting Irish will go up against the Syracuse, orange coached by Dino babies, who is on the line with me right now. Head coach for Syracuse, Dino babies, he's on allow what's going on buddy. How you doing gave it a are you doing this morning, sir? Well, first of all, let me say this. I'm incredibly incredibly proud, sir. May listen all I know is this I showed up for speech. I had the pleasure of hanging with you meeting you and your team hanging with my old boss your boss now. John wall tech the director at Syracuse. And the next thing I know y'all y'all ain't to be beaten up a lot of people coach I want to know first of all how do you feel about how to season is going this far tell you what the season gone extremely well, obviously, we're disappointed about the two losses, and we had lead in the fourth quarter. But it becomes like this. I'm gonna have to write that check to have you come speak to more. You know, I've look at coach. And I gotta admit to you. I expect you guys to have a good season. But I didn't know how good it was. I think the offense has been pretty explosive. I've been very impressed with what I've seen from Dungy and a few others talk to me about what is excited you most about this season does for you know, what I really think your top your talk really hit some some key chords with the winter football team. And you know, how you opened up by Bari her new on Mike and Mike. Can you talked about the last three games? And and and what that meant. And what happened, and I'll tell you what I think they really took it to heart. Barry close football team near family there a law million and. Sometimes we like to stand up program you need to put a light on it. And I think you put a light on that kind of got some people really kind of irked, and I think they've gone out. And they've done some things that really helped football season. We're talking to Dino baby's head Costa Syracuse right here with Steven A, ESPN radio ESPN news what he's alluding to is. When I spoke to the Syracuse Arja before the season began, and I talked about how they gave up one hundred sixty two point the last three games at a regular season last year. And I said that's not about coaching. I watched you guys play. You guys were in the right places. You would just getting you just get beat. And you're you're right. It seems like they took it too hard. I tell you this for me coach, I watched you guys against Clemson. And even though that was a loss. Our so proud because I thought y'all played good on both ends both sides of the ball. And you really went after it put it just didn't work out the unit twenty seven twenty three loss. I got a little worried when you lost the next week to pit and you gave up forty four what happened in that game? What did you say to them after that led to the present four-game game winning streak that your own? Well, part of all, you know. Nice job obvious. They ran football and made some plays. And they wanted they won an overtime game. There's nothing you can go into overtime. If you let a game going overtime. You're gonna have a chance to lose it or chance to win it and my hat's off to them. And it looks like they're going to they win on Saturday. They're going to have an opportunity to win the other side of that division. And ironically, you laugh at three years I've been here we played the champion on the other side of the division. First year was Jinyan tech. The second year was Miami. Okay. And this year was pit. So it's amazing. That no matter what the schedule as we seem to catch the cream of the crop on the other side. But that happening when it comes back to the other things we had a bye after that Steven A, and you know, we could've took it easy on them. Or we could have been hard on them. And I thought about all the giant word that you were using started with the letter a. You know, what I had enough of this that I'm gonna 'gree with you. And we went back to some old school top love for the ball for by week. And it really made guy decide either get on board or get the hell out of the way. And I think a lot of guys felt the exact way that I did. And we've been basically undefeated ever since talk to me about Eric Dungy your quarterback. He's completed sixty percent of his pants got about fourteen touchdowns five in the seventies on the season. But clearly, he's also you second-leading Russia's rush Volvo seven hundred yards this year. I mean, this guy clearly is capable of making making plays with his feet but coming into the season. There was noise about what they would be him or devito as your quarterback, or whatever the case may be what are your thoughts about dodgy how he's performed this. She and how he's grown since last year. You know, I think the biggest thing about Dungy to debt done you never had competition that this position, you know, he came he came in a backup as a freshman. He became a starter. His second year. There was no one here capable of beating out his is third year year. You know devito was here, but he was playing so well, then it got later on the season. You didn't have the rule where a guy could play four games for free. And then to beetle was red shirted devito is good. And I think the competition that devito in Dungy's had in practices has really helped Dungy to remember what it's like to be Anri to be the dog that wants the bone. And and I think we're seeing the best of Dungy right now. I think some of that stuff have to veto. I just finished talking to tempt Tibo a little bit earlier this morning on my television show. I take comes on every weekday from ten AM to noon eastern coast, east coast. Tom mo-, Neil. I brought up. The fact he's averaging better than six yards of carries got about seven hundred and twelve yards on the season. I said could the Notre Dame is a big game coming up. Obviously. How do you beat those guys running a football? Tim tebow? No, no, no, no, no. He said, whether it's a Riley. Whether it's a guy like, you know, cut us or or whomever. The case may be Serra Cue's beach you with the big play. That's who they are. When you talk about this big time match up you going up against the fighting Irish, you know, tomorrow afternoon what's going to be the key to that victory. Is it going to be running a football? Is it going to be doing a big play? Was it going to be coach, you know? I really think it's going to be playing at the team. There's going to be ups and downs. There's gonna be valleys there's gonna be emotional Swain about the state of New York. There's gonna be some snowballed out there. Some of them are gonna be really big. And some of them are really smart, we need to be able to handle it. And I think the team that handled it the bet is going to get themselves the best opportunity to win turnover. You're going to be big the kicking game is going to be big and people talk about big plays. But I don't think you get an opportunity to make big plays unless you make a whole bunch of small place talk to be about your defense coach I've been I've I've watched them and I see. Clinton. They're not see Alton Robinson. He's got not sacks on the season. Calm. It's got about seven sacks on the season. But I liked in spots. Anyway, what I've seen from this defense. How are you feeling about this defense? Now, particularly considering how y'all ended the season last year. It's really been the key to our season. You know that deadline that you're talking about those guys are the real deal out and Robson kindle Coleman three technique, Chris. Layton jobs black. I mean, those guys are real those guys are the real deal MacKenzie mckenry Williams those guys can play and we're young at other positions. But though and the D liners what's been carrying this football team. And that's what gives us a chance. We were in those two areas. Don't wanna get Notre Dame. We probably would have no chance, but since we're strong in those areas, we're like, dumb and dumber. We've got a chance. Do you know baby's head coach q right here with Steven A ESPN radio. ESPN news getting set to go up against the Notre Dame fighting Irish the number three ranked team in the nation of the season would end the day at not today would be in the college football players how big of a game. Do you believe this is for your program because people can look at you right now coach say eight and two you went four and eight your first two seasons at Syracuse. Now, you're eight and two so some could have that mentality. You plan what house money, but I imagine that's not your mentality at all. How big of a game is this for you? And your program, you're estimating. You know? Stephen people wanna make big game a big game because Notre Dame is so good. And we seem okay. And they've got an opportunity to do something. They haven't done in a long time. You know, I get it. Because it's in Yankee Stadium. It's big because you're playing team that undefeated big, you know, they're old guys are being they're strong. They're good. And they got a lot of tradition. It's going to be. It's hard task in front of us is it doable. Yeah. You help us out into doable. If they have you say coach, they help you out. Coping about football is you don't have to play seven game series. You only got play once. And it's not the best thing that wins. Just a team that plays the best on that Saturday, and we need to play extremely well, it we're going to be able to compete with a team that done the things that Notre Dame's down this year. Coach is one thing to play on a neutral field. If you get a bowl game or in the playoffs. Whatever the case may be before regular season game. How do you feel about planet Yankee Stadium in New York City as opposed to at Serra Cue's or at Notre Dame? You know, okay. I really wanted to play at Notre Dame. I really wanted to seniors to have an opportunity to play at Notre Dame special place. I haven't played their coach there and special place, and it's really cool to be old with grandkids. And being able to say when that stadium comes on TV. Hey, I played in that stadium. I'm really disappointed that they've never had an opportunity to play them now beside. That avid opportunity to play a Yankee Stadium, you know, stadium's going to be on TV for the rest of your life. So this is a story that hasn't been written yet. It could have a happy ending that they could be telling for a lifetime baby's head coach of Syracuse right here with Steven ESPN radio. ESPN new just a couple of more questions. Let's go coach. Let's talk about you for a second. Because obviously the third season at Syracuse doing a hell of a job this year. I'm so proud of the job that you're doing. And it was it was an aunt an approach to meet you and talk to your football players. But I gotta ask you about. How are you feeling about yourself and your program right now in the direction it's heading in? I imagine it's very good. Because obviously, even though you took over a program, and you have to build it. And it takes time anytime, you're not winning. You're going to feel some kind of precious some kind of heat. I wanna know what things were like for you walking into the season. And how you feeling about it. Now where you know, we we had the big win over Virginia Tech and sixteen we had to win over Clemson at seventeen. But we were occasionally great. We work consistently. Good. And I can see how people would say adding proved anything you haven't done anything yet. But my feeling you can I mean, you can check the record books you go back and check the tape the day after we lost a Boston College. I walked in. Or maybe the day of the day. We lost a Boston College. I went to the press conference and told everybody this team was going to be special. Now, I had faith belief without evidence. I'd have any evidence of that. Because this season hadn't came yet. Right. I knew what I had in that locker room. And I knew how those young men felt and I felt like we had more than a chance to do something special, and this is a closed group. This is a quote close unit. It we divided everybody and played them individually twenty two individuals. They probably would kick our tail, but the really cool Tate cool thing is we don't have to do that we deploy him as a team at a family with our names on the back of jerseys. And because of that cohesiveness. We're gonna have a chance. What are you gonna do against Notre Dame tomorrow afternoon, sir? I'll tell you what we're gonna play football game. We know they're going to be physical. We're try to match that physicality and we're going to try to keep a close in the fourth quarter. And they're going to have the luck of the Irish. And hopefully, we'll have some luck of our own and see who's gets lucky last coach their detail into my show yesterday. I reminded the world that I went on golden win go show earlier that day, and I guaranteed that. Syracuse is gonna knock Madison emotional decision. I know it. But dammit, I'm rooting for y'all. And that's I'm not apologizing foot. Okay. I've got Syracuse beating Notre Dame tomorrow afternoon at Yankee Stadium and knocking them out of the playoffs. I need you to tell your team. I said that you know, what I'm gonna come. You said that Stephen A, and I'll tell you what you and you can predict that brother. I'll write you check every year. Appreciate it coast. Good luck tomorrow afternoon minute. Thank you so much to take time out to be on the show. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Appreciate your man. Have a blessed day. Thank you buddy, the one and only coach Dino vapors right here with Steven A on ESPN radio and ESPN news inundate say ESPN, it's inundate seven to nine three seven seven six you listened to the Stephen Smith show ESPN radio. I'm really ruined for them. I really really am. I can't I can't deny. I can't deny. It was great speaking to those kids at Syracuse coming off a back to back four and eight seasons. You know, what they were talking about? Again, we alluded to it earlier in and I spoke to golick and wingo earlier this week when I gave the speech up there to those kids I walked up to there in Syracuse and invited by former boss here at ESPN, John wall, tech amended. I love very very daily was always very good to me. And it will always appreciate the respect that he treated me with and still does to this very day. I'm just on its call a man of friend. Here's the deal. I go up there in Syracuse. And you got guys recline. I mean, they did everything but have their feet up had smiles on their face. Everything's good. Everything's cold. Everything's all right. And I said you feel good here. Feel good. I feel good about stuff. Everything's alright. They like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Excited about season. It's going to have. Yeah. Yeah. We are. Absolutely MRs Smith. I said he planned to me how y'all gave up one hundred sixty two points in the last week as a disease last year because that's the residue that you left by. And that's what you have to make up for you shouldn't be smiling. You should be hungry. You should be used to have a perpetual frown on your face because you starve it. Because you've got something to prove. You gotta go for it. That's what I told. And I can't say enough about the Syracuse orange. Now, proud I am of them and how they played this year. Liberty disgusted with them when they gave a forty four to Pittsburgh. I'll admit that. I was very accept because they had back to back background the after they lost to Clemson, then they gave a forty four to Pittsburgh, and then gave a forty one thirty seven to UNC and North Carolina State ally. Now now that reminds me too much of what I saw last year. But they got their act together. And I give the Matt love and respect for that as an Assad. Celebrate fall birthdays and anniversaries with multicolored roses from one eight hundred flowers dot com right now. One eight hundred flowers is offering a bouquet of twenty four multicolored roses for twenty four dollars to order. Twenty four multicolored roses for twenty four dollars. Go to one eight hundred flowers dot com slash ESPN. I got news for Syracuse. Your beat Notre Dame tomorrow Yankee Stadium and knocked off the number three ranked team in the nation. Help people might be buying you flowers. They might be buying you flowers. I just think it's important to point that out. It really really is. And I got news few. I'm picking Syracuse with the upset. I'm picking Syracuse to pull it off. It's an emotional decision. John. I know, but I'm picking Syracuse to knock off the fighting Irish on national television tomorrow afternoon Yankee Stadium, the serach use ours will stand up they will rise to the challenge. They will ask a call. They understand what's at stake. They're rated to then Desta football game. But Dennis not enough. It's not enough. This is what to weigh in for well your life. This is way this moment. Mo- nail. You hear me Dungy? You hear me client? You hear me? This is what it's all about you waited for this. We all know that when we talk about Syracuse thinking big, Tom, we're usually looking at dim Bahamas basketball program, which by the way, lost a UCAR yesterday, by the way, where's usually looking at the basketball team. We are now looking at the football team in a matter. We think about says Donovan McNabb played the I think, but it is time. This is what it is. This is what is about don't will beneath the press Roz up to it. Put the heat on. No today. Let them feel the heat. Let feel are. It's coming their way. Remind who the hell you are. And when they sit up there say, they didn't know you'll look back. And say you're should ask somebody. That's what you do. Will you wanna be a champion? This is how you go about doing it. Syracuse stand up Syracuse stand up Sarah stand up. That's what you do. And I hope my golick is listening to me says predicted this fighting Irish would fall tomorrow afternoon. I will be watching. I will be watching. It eight say ESPN as the number to call this today. Seven to nine three seven seven this this go back to the phones. Please let's go to Sebastian. You live Stephen ESPN radio, Hispanic. Hey, good, man. Talk to me. I'm to. So let me ask you. So what's Alabama afraid to play you kneel somebody lots of Garin now eight one day, but they scare the play somebody with a hack cash question Beckett's deal. You can ask you a question. Did you just say that the number one team in the nation who is undefeated who plays an SEC conference who has been so dominant at such a fashion that that that it's inexplicable everybody did you just imply that they are scared of central Florida, literally stairs have a nice to have a nice day. I don't have time. I really don't have time. Let's go to Ryan you allow Stephen at Ryan. And you just say Ryan turn on radio. Turn your radio down. Turn your radio down talk to the yovany live national way. Always go ahead. Was a man. Go ahead, bro. How you doing? I'm doing good. You're right. My man, which compensates you've got thousands of millions of people listening to you make your point come on. Let's go. About Kevin Durant. But go ahead. Make your pooling were usually, you know, Kevin Durant into the great plu. Yes. Kevin reading would be in the class with a abroad until you get on a chain where he's the leader. And he's lead. And he's dominating. Well, who's the two towers and the finals MVP wellbeing true enough you who's one of the greatest score was being history. I agree which we ask you a question with Kevin Durant. Average twenty seven game before he went to go to state course, was Kevin Durant in an NBA finals before he went to go to state, of course, was Kevin Durant in a place. Religiously before Golden State. Like you now. Well, actually, he hasn't won a championship until he got to go to state that's fair just like the pro cherish Miami. But I'm not putting them in the class. A LeBron James in terms of all LeBron James has to show, but I'm just talking about basketball skills, bro. I'm not getting into all that other stuff basketball skills Woz. Kevin Durant is big top. You do understand that why? But I remember what you university of Texas. Good player, but I still feel as a good player university sex good. You want to all? Alright. Great. Thank you. We only play when you're though, so. Was only played one year Kentucky. Oh, okay. Okay. He was great. He's a great player now. But he could be even greater if you get on a team where he was the only stone now. Okay, that's fair. But was the last time LeBron was the only star on a team that was about eight nine years ago when he was in Cleveland he had Kharian Kevin love when he was in Miami. He had to wait and Chris Bosh? True. It's all right. All right. All right. So so so again, the last time LeBron James was the only start his team was two thousand seven. Went to an and they went to play over they wanna championship. No. They went to championship. They won the championship in twenty eleven. Me, but they still win when it went to the finals. Yes. Kevin durant? Went to the finals and lost to Miami. Right. Have a nice day man, you making a petty argument. I don't have time it at eight say ESPN, it's edited seven to nine three seven seven six. You have good heartburn like the con-. We have an Esa stashed everywhere in case it pops up. You know, what I mean, you keep something your Bagley your desk or your call your nightstand. You have those chalky tablets ready for whenever and wherever Harper shreiks will listen up. There's an easier way to deal with your heartburn. That's privacy OTC just one pill. A day will ask the full twenty four hours with zero heartburn kick. U S at habit. It's possible. 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Philadelphia Eagles present about vivid seats, pre game begins at noon eastern, almost ESPN radio stations on the line with me as always as I resident NFL analysts inside a particularly with front office matters maneuvers the one and only Louis Riddick is on the lower dose. What's going on? How you met? Hey, how are you? Which game? Are you looking forward to most this weekend? On you know, which one it is. I want to hear it. I wanna hear it. You know, looking forward to the chiefs Rams, man. Maybe he's got my my adopted son playing against each other. They got the most high-profile offenses in the league of its its little with tremendous office of football players. Andy Reid is the older version of Sean McVeigh. So that you got you got a great coaching matchup. You got a great venue there and call Sam to deep as who quit out. There struggling from a statistical perspective, but I have some guys that can really rush the passer. On both of their front seven that are gonna they're gonna play a big role in this game. I mean, there's speed the Lord Brandin cooks tyreek hill, there's big bead. When you talk about guys like, you know, even guys like, Robert woods tribes. Kelsey Sammy Watkins, I mean. So it's it's a ridiculous game that real very very fortunate to have on Monday night football. And I can't wait to really see that one was interesting. I bring that up in one of the things we were talking about when you and I spoke this morning is that you don't you? Sincerely, hope that people. Appreciate what they are on the verge of seeing is obviously there's some trepidation of your part that people are not really truly. Appreciate what's up. What's coming our way? This Monday night. Explain that. I think what you're seeing is the league back in August when they came to ESPN, and we're talking to us about you know, how the league envisions helping them going forward as far as promoting the league the league great much so want to push new superstars they want to identify new superstars they want L as doesn't media outlet could be out ahead of the curve. And either to these are this is where the league is heading. I've always been one we've been very much, so, you know, supportive of jerem golf development supportive of Sean McVay as a young head coach who was going to develop got like Jared Goff. I've always been Andy Reid fan. They called me very early on when they drafted Patrick Mahomes that he was going to be something special. And you're seeing it all come together in a way or now not only are they putting up historic numbers as far as the ticks passing yardage yards per attempt touchdown passes. But you're seeing the guys who are doing it. The guys like golf the guys like girly. The guys like Kareem hunt. Guys like, Patrick Mahomes. They're good kids. The good solid kids who everyone in their respective organizations are very very proud of and very, you know, and have a lot of pride when they see them go out on the football field. And we need that in in the league. It really believe in that perspective is in good hands. We're going to see some of the best athletes professional sports, let alone just professional football in that field Monday night. I mean, Brandon cooked a world class athlete Todd Gurley. When you get up on 'em. And you see him up close that is a big man who has world class hundred meters speed. Hi, Rick hill, doesn't even look real. Would he run? It's ridiculous. Mahomes can stand flat. Put it throw the ball seventy five yards. Either kind of thing that we need to really cut. A appreciate an any stop that the deepens can get there's going to be something that you have to cheer and applaud and that's not to take away from some of the deepest the players in this game. Either stephen. For Kansas City. I don't know how many people in the National Football League of all at fans. No or wherever heard of the guiding deport. Okay. But when you see them fifty five from the Kansas City Chiefs on Monday night when you see him get off around the corner and start taking Garrick Jared Goff down. I'm telling you, you're going to think of on Miller. He's got that kind of get off speak just in Houston grown men. We already know what Aaron Donald can do we know who can do when he wants to. And we saw last week. Why they traded in LA for Dante fell. We saw why we saw the strip sack Russell Wilson late in the game. We thought that that's why they got him. So there was this athletes all over the place. There's good football players all over the place. There's two of the great offense of mind in the NFL who they'll be facing off against each other from that's far as coaches that's a lot to get juiced up about. And if you if you're in LA, you don't wanna come to that stadium. Be part of that game that I don't know. I I don't know. You know, what to say the I can't home Louis Riddick right here with Steven eight years, PM radio ESPN news. I want to get into the Philadelphia. Seventy Sixers for just a second because I give them no chance against the New Orleans Saints. I just think that drew Brees is on another level. Michael Thomas is on on another level the way they all seem to be floor right now with Kamara and Ingram and even pay in calling plays. They just seem to be on another level right now. And the Philadelphia Eagles seem to be going in the wrong direction. How could the Philadelphia Eagles possibly make some noise in this game? You would have pretty well. Earlier today on your show. Yeah. Give them no chance. I know I know I inclined to agree with you. Although I'm going to be a little bit more objective about it and say this just because I have to be. They they have to play the perfect gate the perfect complementary game, which means at the same time. They need to score. They also need to like not score too fast. They don't wanna put your give do brief too many possessions, which means the run game important third down conversions or important red zone officials. He is important in all the stupid penalties at the eagles seem to commit at inopportune times. Especially offensively need to go away. Nicole lot the hand. In the on the road down there in that dome. What's going to be loud attack? And it's going to be silent count all day long or the eagles. So there's all kinds of false starts and legal procedures that are probably gonna be coming their way. Defensively. And I don't know what to tell them. I really don't put your Cox gotta play like he's got play like Alan page. You gotta play like how long you gotta play. Like me. Joe green all wrapped up in the one. So do doesn't have time. Because if you had any time the secondary of the eagles if decimated they don't have any players, they don't have any firepower back there. And so it's really going to be on maybe them getting a few third-down, stop, maybe make drew, you know, making the punt Li once or twice at a key moment because it doesn't on paper. It doesn't match up very well for them at all, man. And they and I I guess lafley. You've got gotta hope maybe the saints has had a bad day, which is not out of the realm of possibility that they could have a bad day everybody does. But it doesn't look good, man. It does Louis Riddick doors game. I'm looking at his Dallas at Atlanta. I mean to me, you know, whoever loses this game is definitively out of the playoff picture in my mind. Although there's still on the outside looking in even if they win. But if you lose is still, it's definitely a big time stroke. I don't see the team overcoming right now. This game is in Atlanta who you got to wa. Yeah, I'm going with Dallas. Because I think they have a formula that works well at this time of the year and can carry teams through some of the tough times as long as they stay true to it. Although Delta's offers a line is not as good as maybe it was two three years ago. They still can book people off the ball Ezekiel is still a premium premium back in the better that goes the better deck is the more the RPO's come into play the more zone re comes into play the more playacting comes into play which just helps it helps that helps that helps back in every way divas decide they have probably the most underrated superstar on their defense a line in the NFL and DeMarcus marts who is a game. Rector late Bander is one of the best young up and coming linebackers in the NFL Byron Joe. Jones is one of the best young corners in the NFL. They've got players on the side of the ball to in Atlanta. And I think I mean in Dallas, I think Atlanta's just to form either going up over top of you, and lighten it up and and having a good time, or this is the peanuts getting manhandled and slapped around 'cause it's a it's a small young quick pass football team that his injury Lewis people decide so I think I think the longest sort of it is I think Dow can push them around in out physical them manhandled them, if they put their mind to it, and and do it that way. So that's that's why I'm going with them one of the things that you wanted to get on your about. We saw what happened with at Oliver for Houston and how he almost going into it with his coach of because it's coach wanted him to take his jacket. You taught the coach was wrong in that situation. I thought I thought he could have handled it indoors in a half time. They went in there. I thought he could have done. I thought that's where he. I should've approached it. And said, hey, look, we this. Bruin. Anyway, it you you know, that major aware of how it's by looking out for his own best interest as far as his draft stock. We get that so handled this kind of thing in house, don't as you're going into halftime, go up to them. Are pulling the jacket off of them telling me has no business wearing that. When you know, you're on that little TV. You know, people are watching that that this seems a little self service. I'm not a mutt. Necessarily having a problem with him telling him, look these are the rules. Right. Get it. Look, there's a lot of a lot of coaches. I've asked I'm Steven A. Yep. That I don't agree with and didn't agree with when I played there's a hierarchy right there there. There's wolves fall follow. I get it. You know, you applied by them. Right. It's just that he could have done that with a guy of edge caliber at stature in a little bit different of a way. So that we're now not talking about it on national radio. Only problem I have with Ed in. This regard is what do you think it makes you look like to have to be restrained from physically head coach? That's the only issue. I like the coach could have handled it differently. No, no question about it. I'm not saying coach Houston handed it correctly because I'm certainly not implying that. But what I'm saying is he's already got the head coaching job at Houston, which is a program on upswing. You're God is good. Destined to go NFL be a top ten overall pick in two days culture, particularly how do you think it makes you look to be physically restrained from physically going after your head football coach, you're right? And I probably didn't do a good enough job today of talking about that side of it that there there's a better way for Oliver to handle that too that you 'cause you know, what the optics of it, you know, where people are going to go with with him in particular, and where the player like him in particular help I'll four people are going to take. And you can't this high behind the hall the whole, well, it's a it's a it's a football game on the most all Bobby oftentimes. No, that's not an excuse. So you're right. You're right there. There was no no reason for and to lose his cool like that either. And you're right. If someone didn't restrain them what were you going to do? We're gonna go knock the head coach out on national TV online. I mean seriously that what you thought was was the best remedy that situation. You're right. You're right. It was it was a bad look all around, and I think major Applewhite kinda eluded to that. When he said, we're all young we all make mistakes, I've made plenty of them. Now, an adult learn from it too. And he'll you know, I think I think he was kind of not just talking about Ed when he was talking to Laura Rutledge, I believe it was also probably referring to himself like I could've done this better. The kid could have handled it better. It's a Barrington. I'm sitting here talking about a frigate coat, and whether or not I thought he should be worrying it on the silent. That's embarrassed without question. Louis riddick. Appreciate you, man. Looking forward to seeing you Monday enjoy away. All right, buddy. Riddick right here with Steven A ESPN radio. Eight say has been edited seven to nine three seven seven six back with your calls close out the show in a minute. This Stephen ESPN radio ESPN, news technology truth. Brought to you by Geico. Truth teenagers, can communicate entirely emojis. How why dob birthday party pizza slice kitten soccer ball pineapple proof? 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Hey, oh, Stephen I own a big fan of yours following you for years and Mitch that Steven nice skill babies. Rivalry would all yeah. They do blowing. Thank you. Thank you. But I need you to hurry up because you that less than a minute. Go ahead. Okay. All right. We'll talk about that Golden State all you know, we know we know what the future holds for Durant. We know Durant going hook up with more of the bond, and we know mellow go get his help. And they might take it this year Michael Jordan fan, but I got to give it up to my diehard chiefs fans, you know, this is our year was tightened up. You know, go teeth. We're going to get in there. To see your skill babies again. I appreciate it, man. Thank you so much for the call. Appreciate it. Gotta get on outta here for the week for the weekend. I'm looking forward to week eleven of the National Football League season. I'm definitely looking forward to Syracuse upset at Notre Dame tomorrow. 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Hour 2: NCAA v. California

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Hour 2: NCAA v. California

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That's eight eight eight seven to nine three seven seven six from the biggest concerts of games that are hottest theatre shows and more vivid seats has an old download the APP to join a vivid seats rewards loyalty program today also to Stephen Smith. Show is being brought to you by new. Shell v Power Nitro plus premium gasoline now at four levels was of defense against gunk where corrosion and friction lots of stuff to get into here our number two before I get back to the calls as is a few things that I wanted to get into number one state of California the Senate. Ok's athletes bill NCWA calls harmful the NCW on Wednesday said legislation in California aimed at giving college athletes a chance to earn money while in school known as the fair pay to play act is harmful and unconstitutional and would quote up in the balance end quote of National Competition in College sports the Organization's Board of Governors in the letter Wednesday to California Governor Gavin newsom asking that the state not pass the bill. California's State Senate voted Wednesday for those of you. I don't know the past the fear pay to play act with a tally of thirty nine zero. That's the Senate vote in California. The California State Assembly approved a bill by by a seventy three to zero vote earlier this week. The bill now moves to newsome who have thirty days to decide whether he will sign it into law. Here's my belief thirty nine senators out of thirty nine thirty nine a state senators out of our thirty nine voted in favor the fair pay to play act terms of the state assembly seventy three out of seventy three voter food who the hell is the governor to say now you you got elected officials from every crevice of the state of California every single one of them seventy three plus thirty nine which equals is one hundred twelve all of them voted to pass this fear pay to play act right and put it into law. The bill is aimed giving college athletes a chance to earn money while in school now understand what the NCW saying it will cause an up it would up end the balance. Wa because because when you talk about athletes being able to make money off of their like this in names able to receive marketing deals except endorsement deals that kind of thing because that's what they're talking. What about here right what you're saying. Is that somebody at do is. GonNa give more than somebody drexel what you're saying. There's somebody at the the University of North Carolina in Kentucky on John John Calipari or something like that or somebody. Villanova is going to get paid all going to be compensated in a fashion that somebody at Mount Saint. Mary are right or Lee. Uh or someplace like that ain't going to get paid. Here's my response. All of that will come to America. Put Me what the Hell is this. I really don't understand it. Thank God for this and forget whether I supported it or not because I why do go forget all of that for a second. This is the problem that I have with the ANC AA and most of you damn people in Meson states of America is the problem by the way at the interpreting Stephen Getting a little bit of political clinical and what a debit toby so be it out had enough of this. I Love America. I I believe the greatest country to what just came for France beautiful over there by the way very very beautiful. I want to say that very beautiful over France. I'M GONNA hit Italy KNACKS WCHS hit England next put up from America you understand I'm a black man in America. Nobody is suffering more than us. You can make this stuff up. All your want to those. Are you critics. WanNa come at US talking about affirmative action. I got news for you. Nobody has benefited more from affirmative action the white woman that's right. I said member money. Josie knows brothers brilliant. No no no what are these people that doesn't believe in gender equity or anything like that to the victims go to spoils. If you've got it like that you could get it. God bless you. God bless you. This is America. I don't really understand this so let me get this straight is due do but to God Bomani and Pablo playing at Drexel and I'm brothers go at five hundred hundred every day Kansas and C. Double A. Tournament but this brothers compete for National Championships while playing under my Cesky. He's supposed to be equal to them. mm-hmm in America in America would walk around and see. There's the problem. Tell Ya at the right man Dan. I Ain't getting into socialism fascism democracy what I'm GonNa tell you this much and I don't mean it it an incendiary way when I say they do this because there are negatives about capitalism no doubt but I'm GonNa tell you something. I'M GONNA capitalist. Do I think that everybody it deserves equal stuff equally hell no hell no. I don't believe that I believe those also better deserves more than those who by the way my position has consisted remember when this title nine they came down and we started talking about female sports out. There folks was talking about equal pay. No I'm not down with that. I think so women deserve. I think Serena Williams Cocoa Golf Naomi or a sock in they deserve more money than most of the men but dammit if they Federa Brian Dal and joke bitch and they don't have that bosseaux appeal even though we know Serena does hey. That's the way it goes. You got women all over the place talking about listen female sports you remember when a coach but Notre Dame Macara regard her name is and she went off about women being putting on this play that tape over and over and over again because she was one thousand percent correct women more positions of power and more positions of influence no question about but when it comes to the Dallas if you ain't generate revenue damage you deserve it period now. We ain't talking women's tennis because we know what they can generate but the WNBA makes less than NBA players for reason all these women and world out here why why do they are going to the WNBA Games. Why don't you go. You got you got you got money. You Got Cachet. You Got Influence. How come you ain't going to the game you you've got the freedom to go out there as support the Wnba what do those turnstiles packed nineteen thousand people inside Madison Square Garden for the liberty inside the staple centers for the sparks inside the Verizon Center nation's capital for the mystics. I'd go get too much of the weeds. WNBA because all it names just real which I don't know all the names because I don't watch the WNBA like Dad. I watched someone who watch all of them like that. My point is these females plan in the world of sports there are there are plenty of women out here in this world who are successful accessible who are making money who who go to games who love sports but you're. WNBA make it as much as the NBA because is y'all ain't going to their games supporting their product the way you support the NBA product so why did you say this stuff about Equality Know Ladies and gentlemen. It's equal opportunity. That's way quality comes into play away opportunity but whoever you support you support and if somebody generates more support that somebody else their debit the people that generate great the most support to get the most money that's capitalism. You really really think that we liked sitting here in America and our police officers are law enforcement officials who put their lives on the line everyday for us. You think we don't deserve money. How about a firefighters. How about doctors you think we'd better nurse teachers serves. You think we don't know they deserve every penny they can get ladies gentlemen. They don't generate ray revenue. The Way sports does the way people don't Wall Street might the way to see over fortune five hundred company my that's why the money that's why there's a discrepancy money. Johnny go to those who generated they set up there and even talked about me back. I remember I was in the news. People speculate how much money I was making how much money I would make. You don't know you'll you'll never know for me. Let me tell you something. Do I believe that I deserve to be the lowest pay Jonathan Shannon. Look at me when I'm talking to. Y'All do I believe that I should be the lowest paid or some mid range pay dude AH ESPN or in the world sports media. Oh Hell no hell no now the work that I do that was put in it. The writings that I generate the revenue that comes with it you damn right. I deserve to be paid. I apologize for nobody. This is America capitalist. I'll be damned if I'M GONNA apologize for that. The State of California stepped up on this the NCWA as acting. I'm not accuse them of being this way but in this particular case that acting like they're anti-capitalist just what the hell you mean equality you eight equal the big five conferences. They get more money than other conferences. You had no problem with that problem. Nick Sabin get more money this coach at Villanova. I guarantee you next became more money than cut clip at Duke. Davos Sweetie signs a ninety any plus billion dollar contract which he deserves. I hear nobody complaining about that. We know how much money Mike Success he's making. I assume Oh you is top notch complain about that but it comes to these kids. Oh now we it unfair. Will you the go she ate show deals with CBS but he NC Double A. Tournament. I don't hear you sitting there complaining about that but with the kids are we gotta be fair. You WanNA teach kid in real life lessons. You remind them that this is America and to the victors go spoils you wanNA piece of this PA aw produce you want more get it done. Hey this is the revenue that we generated last sheen. You want more generate more entrace generate more revenue. If you teach teach them about and maybe you wouldn't have so much trouble. We don't WanNa talk about that. Doing you will walk ground want hide. That reality happened on. This ship ankle happened on this show. I'm not saying that money. Is Everything obviously principled positions. Come with everything we do in life somehow some way you gotta make choices every day but I'll be damned. If I show up to work every day out of the goodness and kindness Mahar trying gotta get paid apologizes after no party. I'll put the work I'll make it happen. I'll do what I can to bring value and equity to this to this monstrous behemoth notice. ESPN and Walt Disney. I'll do all of that. I have my hands out to get paid to. It ain't for free if that's the real world while we acted like any different with these these kids everybody don't get to be sane be good enough in Basketball Duke and Kentucky and Kansas and so in North Carolina and so on and so forth they come talk to me really good enough to be Alabama Clemson Georgia and football boy even Lsu Lsu. Come talk to me if you tag good. That's why you ain't getting compensated the way somebody else might be compensated. It'd be real this baby and every damn body acting like we're baby and went in fact what we're trying to do who is keep all the money for our own coffers. Instead of spreading the wealth around gluttony is one of the seven since very few people are better at it than NCWA finally record up to you now. You have to do a little bit more sharing. Get the hell over. It does go. This is market dollar endorsement deals and stuff like that be happy. California has unlocked in making sure their schools in their state need to compensate state the players the student athletes directly and oh by the way when I say compensation of talking about football and basketball if you're playing volleyball volleyball three happy which damn scholarship. It's not a revenue generator if wrestling be happy with the Damn Scholarship. It's it's not a revenue generator softball. I'm talking about shoo jail stopping some some of you to be happy with a damn scholarship some of you. It should be enough. That's capitalism. That's America and by the way I have no problem as long so as you get what you earn and you get what you deserve. I got no problem with everyone. Does it deserve to be treated. The same does who are elite should be compensated in a better fashion than those who are not Perry it. Well let me start that I shouldn't say period. 'cause you screw you could act like before like an idiot like some people who remain nameless and get yourself so much trouble people that your greatness eight worth it that is possible but that's the exception not the rule and at eight say. ESPN eight seven to nine three seven seven six you listen live to Stephen a Smith show. ESPN RADIO ESPN news. Let's go to Gary. You Love Stephen. It was up Gary Gary go ahead. You're on the air. Go ahead. I got some questions I was calling to ask you How do you think the connection between Tom Brady. Antonio Brown's GONNA be. I think he's going to be elite as long as Antonio on the field long enough to make that happen and do you see the Patriots going back to the Super Bowl. I don't see anybody beating the Patriots. If Antonio Brown is healthy along with Josh Gordon and Tom Radius healthy torn on the football I do not see anybody beating the Patriots under those conditions now worried about the Kansas City chiefs not as not even the slightest because their defense stinks offensively offensively. They're a juggernaut but their defense stinks. They can't get stopped when it really really count data don't believe in Kansas City's defense because of their defense okay. Thank you thank you. Let's go to Mike you lava Stephen. What's up Mike can I just wanted to talk to you about the NC double a. and like you can talk talked about it seems to me over the years that they have a lot of similarities to the mafia they just basically come in and take their car and move on there you can make a legitimate argument by considering a relationship that they have because when television networks and what have you negotiate their own deals power conferences and the NCWA comes comes in during the NC Double A. Tournament they get their money. Lord knows what the BCS what kind of share they get. That's a legitimate point. The I can't deny that it just seems like when they originally formed. It was basically just run. The collegiate tournaments and they keep expanding expanding expanding ending in the biggest thing is that they're controlled by a bunch of mom to have no accountability all their money comes from taxpayers primarily from state run university yeah. It's kind of interesting that we don't have any kind of control over them in you. If you look at their finances it's during the you know you look at it that way. You know the way that I look at it the crime and at all that you know you can understand why state legislators state legislators and beyond don't want to open up Pandora's box and because they don't WanNa get to overly evolve with some of this stuff because it can really be painstaking and tedious and what have you the real problem and all of this is that collegiate athletes to not have have representation. They don't have a players student Athletes Association. That's the problem if if they had representation most of these problems will go away they don't have it and that's where the problem lies and that to me is where government intervention should take place. God the government should mandate that these youths these student athletes have some form of representation tation rather than being placed at the mercy of the NC double a. that to me is what I think is the right thing to do. I agree with you on that point in one last thing I'd like to say I I grew up in Kalamazoo Michigan so I am a long time. Lions Fan Dan obviously but I also lived in Milwaukee and I hate to admit it but Aaron Rodgers is the man he has he has. He's a bad man and nobody in Detroit has been instead of Barry Sanders. I'm glad you know that have a nice day. Take care of yourself. We'll talk soon it at eight say. ESPN it's inundate seven to nine three seven seven six. You're listening to the Stephen Smith the show ESPN RADIO ESPN news will get into some Dak Prescott stuff as well a little bit more Antonio Brown and you're what I had to say about the nobody backing up. It is what it is. I talked to you in a minute. You listen live TV. 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ESPN radio is presented by Progressive Insurance with more than thirty unique coverage options available progressive progressive knows small business learn more progressive commercial dot com back to the phones. We go at it at eight say ESPN. That's eight seven two three seven seven six. Let's go to Rick Req- lava. Stephen a talk to me. Hey what's up Stephen. I just WanNa talk to you about them. Cowboys man and got a question for you man why you keep saying the same old stuff over and over about the cowboy fans. It's just an old man. The jokes are getting stale. I shut the hell up up because you're assuming I'm joking. I'm not joking. I can't stand Joe. It's not joke. I'm not laughing. I can't stand cowboy fans and I mean it is not a joke is how I feel consistently how I felt consistently throughout my life and I can prove to you the fact that you called up the cowboy fan and you. You said that I no longer want to talk to you. Good bye have a nice day. Let's go to nick. You'll obvious even they woods up. I Steve How're don't go ahead. Man You live on the air. Go ahead okay great so we got something in common man ullmark or your mantra with my friend. Your friend who is is Elmer's Malema Smith yes. That's my buddy used to write for the Philadelphia phenomenal. Do One of my buddies absolutely go ahead or my buddy turned me on the Mike Marley do from oranges for Brian Birdwell. I gotta say this. You do billy hunters book because jazzy saying the power with this inspired change. There's GonNa may change. Change is going to happen because by this to come on on says there's nobody black in the power structure and when they ran billy andrade NBA when they ran other brother out. There's nobody there the table oh I first of all. I I stay right there. I appreciate where you're coming from but that's not entirely accurate. First of all go dean succeeded. Billy Hunter Charlie Grantham was before Tommy Gore Dean Charlie Grantham was an exceptional executive director Simon Gore Dean. Some would argue not so much then billy the hunters in there now. Michelle Roberts is in new WHO's a sister so when you bring up or brother or brother Bravo sister and how it is nobody in there. That's an insult to the people that came before billy hunter and who came after so just change the subject because you don't know what you're talking about in that regard. You're wrong there and the leading the union well. You're talking about the union. You brought up to you you bill Janta was the union. He wasn't the League Hundred Executive Director of the Union but I can't think of anybody in the lead. Can you tell us who's in the League at the table. No no I couldn't I mean you have more tatum. Who's the deputy Pity Commissioner of the NBA Okay so you've got that going on but that's the only name that I could really really give view of substance as it pertains to an African American in that position. That's true okay so last. Here's last point on that. Issue are a race race imboden Jordan American fencer Neil so who says we're stopped kneeling. You got the panic game. He's already says don't feel we need to stop. Neal was what Jay Z. said but ten seconds earlier. He said he wasn't against any kind of protests. People are free to do what they want to do and he doesn't have a problem with. He said that ten seconds earlier or whether they clearly if I paraphrase we're done near when he said that afterwards he said another word. It's time time to go and act more than just kneeling so it wasn't like he was trying to say and articulate the position. Don't kneel anymore. He was saying okay now what he just said it wrong now. Let me give you some. Kudos doing a great job. You're you're a CO worker was on a flight with me from Philadelphia Orlando Coaches. AAU team you say when it was your turn to come up. When you came up. Everybody Room said no not him. I'm the boss at that time. You guys don't want him. That's what we want to even that that was what I said on my interview with Michael K on center stage on the Yes network. Tim legler echoed that Tim leg was one of my buddies. I appreciate that but I gotta go. Thank you for the call. Take care of yourself. Will you live Stephen. What's up yes Sir Stephen III First of all appreciate what you said about the empty AA I am sick and tired of the NC double a. and their hypocrisy and let me let me get to Dad boat missed a dad Bo Sweeney talking about his mouth saying that he would quit? Your players got paid the reason why he makes ten million dollars a year. It's called progress. Even everything around these players is progressing. The revenue is generated is more than ever and nothing's changed for these players in the landscape around him is changing but they want the players arrange money code it hold it first of all. I don't recall dabbled sweeney saying that but if he did say that clearly he's lying because dabbled sweeney about to give up nine and a half to ten million dollars a year just because players being compensated. I don't believe that for one second secondly. I think that you have a lot of coaches coaches that don't want to inherit the problem of players getting paid because remember everybody's not going to be equal and thus it would be incumbent upon condemn to get into the mix and decide who deserves to be more compensated than the other and that's not a problem they want to deal with. They want to coach football teams coach basketball teams. They don't want to be the ones to decide. Okay this play is this so he gets paid. Display is not so good. He's ride the bench. I'M NOT GONNA pay him or this. This causes startup but this guy's a star and I gotta pay one differently than I wanna pay the other so even though they averse to that it's not the same as the institution of the NC NC double A. being averse to that an individual coach is thinking about the stress and the strain a headache of having to deal play the role loving employer and having to deal with problems he doesn't want to have the NC Double A. One could argue is simply being greedy. That's the difference between the two entities station. I'm strictly talking about the California ruling that you were talking about where players can get compensated. I want to remind people that somebody don't amass scholarships I might on the band scholarship the ship they can go out and get jobs they can. They can have banned lessons. They can get flu lesson. They can make money but a player. They're breaking his neck. Risking his life and lamp he cannot profit from his lightness is on American. That's what I'm talking about. Steven A. and anybody that thinks that is that is right is a socialist. Is he the the Socialist Institution well you say Socialist Institution. I disagree with you. They're they're extremely capitalistic for themselves. I don't know what you're talking talking about. There are finding is he. WB extremely capitalistic just in favor of themselves that's what I think their behavior emulates that of capitalism the for themselves and maybe socialism everybody else but definitely capitalism for themselves appreciate the call Jonathan you lava Stephen Edwards up even now are you Gordon Moore's second ball I'm a lifelong dolphins fan and been on this planet for Nineteen Years Says Tired of hearing about my parents. My parents friends told me that I need to stick in their seventies. Whatever the warriors were what do I do. Should I hope for a win in any time this year. Should I stress which teams of Y'all want listen. Let's talk about switch it. All you want to but your heart is where your heart is. If your heart is with the Miami Dolphins you can pretend like you room for somebody else. Della cows come home the fact of the matter. Is You really rooted. You're really focusing on another team because of your disgust with the Miami Cami Dolphins as opposed to you. Love somebody else if you love is. Where is somebody else. That's where it's going to be and that's where it's going to stay and there's nothing that you're going to be able to do about that so good luck with it. I've got nothing back Stephen. What do I do well you don't support them to send a message edge that that better times need to arrive sooner than later you don't support ineptitude staring you in the face and slapping that high end to that question wow all right well. I'm delighted. Thank you sir. Thank you take it easy it at eight say. 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It's not joke. I'm not laughing. I can't stand cowboy fans and I mean it is not a joke is how I feel consistently how I felt consistently throughout my life and I can prove it to you. The fact that you called up in a cowboy fan and you said that I no longer want to talk to you. Good bye have a nice day. Let's go to nick. You'll obvious even able to steve up how you doing all right. Go ahead. You're on the air. Go ahead okay great so we got something in common man. I'll murder. You're my friend. Your friend who is Elmer Smell Must Smith yes. That's my buddy used to write for the Philadelphia phenomenal. Do One of my buddies absolutely go ahead twenty four. My Buddy turned me on to Mike Marley Wally Matthews Ron borjas for Brian Birdwell guys say this you and Hamsters do billy hunters book because Jay Z. Saying the power with this inspired chains is GonNa. Make change pertains isn't going to happen because by listen come on son says there's no body black and the power structure and when they ran billy andrade. NBA Iran other brother out. Nobody there the table. I suppose the first star right there. I appreciate where you're coming from but that's not entirely accurate accurate. First of all Simon Gore Dean succeeded Billy Hunter Charlie Grantham was before Simon Gourdine Charlie Grantham was an exceptional executive director Director Simon Gordon. Some would argue not so much then billy hunters in there now Michelle Robert is in there who's a sister so when you bring up or brother other brother brother or sister and how it is nobody in there that's an insult to the people that cable for Billy Hunter and who came after so just change the subject because you don't know would you talking about in that regard. You're wrong there and the leading the union well desk. You're talking about the union. You brought up to you you build onto the union. He wants to leak hunter was executive director of the Union but I can't think of anybody in the Lindy. Can you tell us who's in the League at the table. No no I couldn't I mean you have more tatum. WHO's the deputy commissioner of the NBA okay so you've got that going? Go on but that's the only name that I could really really give you of substance as it pertains to an African American in that position. That's true okay so last report on that issue. Are we raise immortal race imboden American fencer Neil so who says we're stopped kneeling you got he was at the Pan Am Games. He's okay then feel. We need to stop Neil well. That was what Jay Z. said but ten seconds earlier. He said he wasn't against any kind of protests. People people are free to do what they WANNA do and he doesn't have a problem with it. He said that ten seconds earlier clearly. If I paraphrase we're done when he said that afterwards he said another word. It's time to go an act more than just neely so it wasn't like he was trying to say an articulated particular position. Don't kneel anymore. He was saying okay now what he just said it wrong and let me give you some Kudos. You're doing a great job. You're you're a coworker was on a flight with me from Philadelphia Orlando Coaches team. You say when it was your turn to come up when you came up. Everybody Room said no not him but the boss at that time said if you guys don't want them. We want to even eight bit so that's the Kudos from right that that was what I said on my interview with Michael K on center stage on yes network Tim Legler Echo. Tim Leg was one of my buddies. I appreciate that but I gotta go. Thank you for the call. Take care of yourself. Will you live Stephen. They what's up. Steven is first of all appreciate what you said about the empty. Aa I am sick and tired. Hey you're the NC double a. and their hypocrisy and let me let me get to Dad Bo missed a dad. Bo Swing talking about his mouth saying that he would quit if players got paid the reason why he makes ten million dollars a year. It's called progress. Even everything around these players is progressing. The revenue is generated is more than ever and nothing's it's changing forties players and landscape around is changing but they want the players will remain stagnant hold our money home first of all. I don't recall dabbles really saying that but if he did say that clearly he's lying because Dabo Sweeney and about to give up nine and a half to ten million dollars a year just because players being compensated. I don't believe that for one second secondly. I think that you have a lot of coaches that don't want to inherit the problem of players getting paid because remember everybody's right he's not going to be equal and thus it would be incumbent upon them to get into the mix and decide who deserves to be more compensated than the other and that's not a problem problem they want to deal with. They WANNA coach football teams or coach basketball teams. They don't WanNa be the ones to decide okay. This play is this so he gets paid this play. He is not so good. He's ride the bench. I'M NOT GONNA pay him or this guy's a star but this Gaza Star and I gotta pay one differently than I wanna pay the other so even though they converse to that it's not the same as the institution of the NC Double A. being averse to that an individual coach is thinking about the stress and and the strain and a headache of having to deal played a role of an employer and having to deal with problems he doesn't want to have the NC Aa. One one could argue is simply being greedy. That's the difference between the two entities station. I'm strictly talking about the California ruling that you were talking about what players can get compensate late and I want to remind people that somebody on a mask all ships somebody on the band scholarship they can go out and get jobs they can. They can have ban lessons. They can get flu lesson. They can make money on the player. That's out there breaking his neck risking his life and limb he cannot profit from his likeness on American. That's what I'm talking about. Stephen and anybody thanks that is that is right is a socialist. NCW The Socialists Institution well you say Socialist `institution. I disagree with you. They're they're extremely capitalistic for themselves. I don't know what you're talking about. There are finding extremely capitalistic just in favor of themselves. That's what I think I think their behavior emulates that of capitalism for themselves and maybe socialism everybody else but definitely capitalism for themselves appreciate the call. Well Jonathan you lava. Steven Steven how are you. I'm wrong. Moore's second ball I'm a lifelong dolphins fan. I've been on this planet for nineteen years size tired of hearing about my parents. My parents friends that I need to stick in their seventies. Wendy's whatever the warriors were. What do I do. Should I hope for a win anytime this year. Should I stress. which teams do have you want? Listen listen. You could talk about switch it. All you want to but what your heart is where your heart is. If your heart is with the Miami Dolphins you can pretend like you room for somebody else till the cows come home. The fact that the matter is you're really you're. We're really focusing on another team because you're discussed with the Miami Dolphins as opposed to your love for somebody else. If you love is where it is for somebody else that's where is GonNa be and that's where it's going to stay and there's nothing that you're gonna be able to do about that so good luck with love and I've got nothing back. Even what do I do. Well you don't support him to send a message that that better tabs need to arrive sooner than later you don't support ineptitude when steer you in the face and slapping you that high end of that question wow all right well. I'm the lighted. Thank you sir. Thank you take it easy it at eight say. ESPN it's edited seven to nine three seven seven six back with your calls to close out the show in a minute. You're listening to live. 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Truly what's going. Oh man how are you. I'm good how you doing Steve. I don't know how to hell. You can't be good. You Love Football Football. More than me will follow. I mean damn all of these quarterbacks going down. We got we got Sam Donaldson for Monday night football tonight. He's down with mononucleosis. We notice how serious that is. We wish him nothing but a speedy recovery drew brees for for the next six weeks after his hand injury courtesy of banging it against our era donald hand. We've got big. Ben Rothlisberger new came down about two hours ago. He's out for the season would elbow injury. He didn't even suffer from contact. What the Hell is going on. It's survival. Stephen as football man I mean injuries or part of the game and every year it happens every single year I think you go back and you can find a significant injury I I think we're GONNA pay a lot of attention to it now. Because at the quarterback position and I think all the teams you mentioned you know. Pittsburgh is going to have a hard time surviving without being no disrespect Mason Rudolph but he is not big Bam augsburger drew brees. We'll be back and I think you know the same as teddy bridgewater the highest paid back up in the League for a reason they feel very confident and comfortable in him. I feel for drew brees and I and I think that if he can just kind of keep the ship afloat you didn't and how to win every game but you know two and four three and three he's GonNa be out six weeks when rubrics comes back because of the division they play and in the NFC south James hadn't played good at best. He's been Kinda you know up and down. Cam Newton research resemble anything of the Cam Newton where used to see him and and I think overall Matt around hasn't been consistent enough. I think when you put all that together the saints although they're gonNA lose some games I think they will be finding the end assuming that drew breeze comes comes back healthy. Do you believe in my opinion I think that drew brees injury cost him a super bowl berth. I had them coming out in the NFC but it was because I thought they would have home home field advantage the road to the Super Bowl would have to go through the Mercedes Benz Dome and unlike last year with that no that pass interference call that wasn't ultimately cost cost them. I don't believe that would happen this year but what this injury going down. I think they'll losing a share amount of games that they normally would not have lost as a result even if they make a playoff push. I don't think they'll have home advantage and I think ultimately that will cost a super bowl berth or how do you feel about that analogy right there or I disagree with you just because yes they are a different team in that dome but I'll take my chances with Sean Payton and drew brees healthy clicking all cinema news regardless of what stadium and what field we're GONNA play on and I think that if you're Sean Payton. That's the message that you got to convey your team guys. Yeah we're down but we're not out. Let's is just everybody's got to pick up their particular role one more notch because we gotta pick up through breeding cycle not hear nothing bridgewater. This is a great opportunity. You know he had an opera. He had a chance to go find a starting job this off season. He decided to come back to New Orleans be under Sean Payton because Sean could help him mature and further his career as a quarterback quarterback now he gets an opportunity for extended period of time to do that and so I think is going to be fine. It's tough yesterday so i. I don't want people to look at yesterday and say okay well. I'll tell you can't do it. It's one thing to be the backup. When you get fifteen percent of the reps and then you gotta go in and play the entire Game Teddy Bridgewater GonNa have an entire week of practice study not a big game plan toward him and I think he's going to be miles better next week than he was this past Sunday coming in a backup role. We're going to talk. Walla was stephen a ESPN radio ESPN news. I think it's safe to say we're bid dig. Ben Roethlisberger finished for the season courtesy of his elbow injury combined with the way the steelers I have looked the first two games of the season albeit with a our new New England and Seattle with the way the Baltimore Ravens a look in right now. I think the steelers finished season is finished. Where are you at as it pertains to look into these Pittsburgh steelers based on what you've seen from them over these first two weeks well. I think Pittsburgh was always going to be a team. That's going to have to outscore you because their defense still having quite gotten together especially in the backyard Tom. Tom Brady Warren Russell Wilson hit their defense up from three hundred yesterday I give him a big plays in the past game. They give what like I and thirty you. GotTa Pass Interference Call yesterday so their defense has been shaken so they were. GonNa always have to outscore you now. That becomes a lot more difficult to do without Big Ben. Mason Rudolph played as Oklahoma State. We know we can throw the football. He's been doing it for a long time but he's just gotta get up to speed with the different coverages defenses that he's GonNa get juicers. GonNa have to step up James Connors. GotTa Step Up. Everybody's gotTa do a little bit more when the backup quarterback is in there so it was always going to be an offensive team until ladies and now I think they're gonNA struggle because I don't know if they can score no points because their defense isn't the same steel curtain of old when they were just dominant top one two three in a league they are giving a lot of passing yards and I think that's GonNa be ultimate. Downfall Bergamo fallen tonight. Is Monday night football the New York jets won't have Sam Darnold. I know you had some expectations for them to season particularly on the defensive side of the ball but now they've been called upon to step up even more after after losing the openness of the Buffalo Bills It's hard for me to imagine that the jets are going to be a impressive at all trevor. Simian is a pro quarterback. I'll give him that but he's no SAM. Donald there is no number one receiver overcrowded with crowder or Anderson. They're in it. I don't know what to expect from Levy on bell at least at this particular point we as your mindset about the jets going into their Monday night encounter tonight officer. You'll be calling that game when I go up against the Cleveland browns. I think you know human nature is to say back up. He's not gonna be as good but stephen after watching tape I can tell you the Sam darnold play well and I feel very comfortable saying Trevor Siemian will at least play as good as Sam Darnold play last week and more than likely. He's GonNa play a lot better so that's GONNA give offense to boost lady on bail is still as good as advertised. He is still one of the top five three down running back in the national football league and you couple that with Adam gays his ability to scheme plays open and for the Maria's Thomas or Jamison crowder. I think you can see a path where they can move the football now. It's going to be paramount on the other side of the ball that their defense grants minus. Cj Moseley minus winning Williams at third overall pick out Alabama. How are they going to slow down. Brown's offense who is by the way coming in what they point to prove because they they feel friend on their face last week so I think the jets offense is going to be what they are. They'll move the ball lady. I'M GONNA make place Semyon is not GonNa win the bid because if he's got his career so like the offense will be fine. I'm just concerned. How did they stop Jarvis and Odell joke who and chuck and Baker Mayfield especially sleep how they're gonNA play with chip on a shoulder is because they were disappointed in how they play last with what are your thoughts about the Cleveland browns with Odell Beckham Junior returning to metlife stadium. I mean what are your thoughts about all of that right now as you look forward to this encounter. I think it's a great storyline. You know he's coming back to New York the House that he built you. You know so to speak It's GonNa be fun. I'm sort of crowds. GonNa let him have it He's GonNa be amped up. He's GonNa have a lot of energy. I think it's just one of the storylines. It's just liked to watch. Everybody's making a big watch and I always tell them. I don't care what you were as long as. NFL says is within the rules. You can wear what you wear. Odell is what what you calling and I've heard you say before he's box office so anything that he says or does is going to become store and he's got to realize that and ultimately when he touches the football tonight everybody everybody in America's. GonNa think he's GonNa score and they're only a few players in this league that feel or put that kind of fear in in defensive and he's one of them so he's going to be a huge storyline. I'm on this game is in New York is only going to heighten it but I look for Odell end jobs. They have a big night tonight follow here with Steven. ESPN RADIO ESPN news book. Tell me I saw your mind. When we talk about the Cleveland Browns I'm of that mindset that I think that they don't want to sit up there and say they've been crowned per se but the level of expectations -tations associated with them now. Obviously all of these guys weren't on the team. We get that but there's a franchise that has not been to the postseason since two thousand and two basically they've been more for for the vast majority of the last sixteen seventeen years yet because they acquire. Odell Beckham junior you pair him with a Baker Mayfield. I thought the people looked at the talent that they had instead of the fact that you got a second year quarterback and first year head coach in the National Football League. I don't think that people look at nor have they paid enough attention to that and I think because of that one could argue. They may have been a bit over hyped talk to me about your feelings as it pertains to the Cleveland Browns and what you expect what you walked into this season expecting from number. Four game was even played well. I thought they were going to struggle in some form. I'm a fashion because you have to learn how to win and no matter the amount of talent you have no matter how many pro bowlers know how many offensive weapons the defensive players you acquire. You have to learn how to do the little things you know. Whether it's understanding how to take the check down and not try to throw the the twenty are route and get an interception. It's the little things that win. Football Games nowadays and I compare it to this Stephen. I can go out and buy to whole foods or whatever a grocery store that you like and get the best ingredients on demand but if I don't have the right shift and I'm not a mixed those ingredients together. I can't create the meal. That's going to be comparable to are those ingredients and so I think it's for the kitchen to teach his team how to win. They have to understand how to do the little things to win. Football Games. Everybody has talented Miss Nicely and so when I was in Cleveland I think they're going to be better the second half of the season than the first and without surprised they lost the Tennessee sure was I surprised the fact that they committed eighteen penalties penalties more yes that was to me because that to me tells tells me that there and undisciplined young football team because personal files files are selfish penalties kicking a guy in the neck. That's a selfish penalties. That's basically saying whatever my prerogative is at that moment supersede with what the team goal is and I think those things have to be coached out throughout the week and we'll see if they coached them throughout the week and we'll see what happened tonight but Cleveland has talent but they're are just gonNa have to learn how to do the small things in order for their talent to show on the biggest state in a crazy kind of way the thing that most disappointed me about the Cleveland browns was Jarvis Landry with the media afterwards where he was getting upset for. Somebody as don't even ask me this question. The guy asked it was a perfectly logical question he was asking asking. Do you believe the lack of activity on the part of some during the preseason hurt. Shawl in this game there are plenty of opportunity were plenty of times orange where people had alluded to the Baker Mayfield's of the World Odell Beckham Junior's and others not participating in preseason action nearly as much as they should and I thought for the most part these guys were treated like veterans as opposed to young thoroughbreds who had something to prove. Did you have that feeling it all coming into this season about the brown no no. I didn't have that feeling because the preseason now has become a mockery. Nobody wants to get anyone hers. it's not real football. Which is why they're having conversations about doing away with it. That's an entirely different conversation. What I'll say is that Jarvis comments were very indicative of. What I spoke spoke about earlier. It's a young guy who super talented. He's frustrated and they lost and all of the expectations and now I gotta deal with the social media. Everybody's saying we're overrated. I gotta deal with Krantz and man what happened. The up like all the things that go into a losing a football game. Always young players have to deal with fans. Don't think about it fans. Just think about man we lost and you know we we we move on but these players have to live their lives from the game from the time the game ends until the next game and all the little things the nobody ever thinks about that comes with so that was indicative of a young player that was frustrated. Jarvis stand up guy. He is the anti-d I definitely agree with that. I definitely agree with that. Which is why I was taken aback that he would handle post game. Media situations like that yeah. That was a little surprised I think in a private moment he probably regrets that so I mean hopefully he learned from it and moves on I think it was a learning experience for free kitchens also because you know Freddie ready hasn't coached at the time of season yet and so now everybody's GonNa Start. Okay you got the job because of the offensive prowlers bakers development and you come out game one and the offense has one drive and then we don't see anything so I think there's a lot of pressure on them to come out tonight and put on a show so it wouldn't surprise me tonight. They did in the first four or five plays. They try to get one deep. Dole del or they try to get something to Jarvis because they want to get the momentum. They're young team. They WANNA play in risen them in timing if the jets GONNA win. This game is very similar. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa go on your warehouse now. When you play the Golden State Warriors you gotTa make the game choppy. Don't let them get them. One of those sixteen nothing wrong. You GotTa make the game a half four game well in football. How do you do that. You run the football. You get first downs. You keep the clog moving and you keep Baker in Odell Alan Jarvis on the sideline. That's gotta be the jets formula tonight if they WANNA win following here with Steven A. Espn radio ESPN news the voice of Monday night football right here with us right yours truly right here with the Stephen a Smith Show Boga. What's been the biggest surprise for you thus far in the first two weeks in his NFL season San Francisco Forty niners execute. Your images had that had that performance on Monday night football the broncos everybody's man. I can't believe he gave Jim. Gee All this money and Jimmy D is not worth it and all the forty niners have done is go on the road to temper when go on the road to Cincinnati and win and Jimmy these looking more comfortable they can run the football the ball defensively the four Nick Bosa Kwan Alexander wanted to keep going Richard Sherman. They got players that can play now and I think they they were my darkhorse. Kinda come out of nowhere before the season so they're not a surprise to me but I think throughout the country the forty niners or two and also giving shout out to through the buffalo bills because they're stuck in way up there by Canada in New York. Nobody talks about him but there are also so I I think the forty niners giants are they beat the jets and the giants book come on now. It's pro football stiegler really wait a minute. Wait a minute. I got proved. I got proof for you that it ain't necessarily early pro football. You want to hear my proof. Let me hear the Miami Dolphins. Is that a professional football team to you that might be a worse football team in the NFL history three right. Now you understand that right yes by name. Only they are professional football right now. What an atrocity that has taken place before I ain't blaming Brian floors. He just got there and obviously they people accusing them of taking or whatever book I think I can make a legitimate argument and I ask ask you and I'll lean on your expertise you covered college football in the NFL plus. Now you know your football your former plan. NFL obviously as well as college book. Have you ever seen a worse. NFL team that you're watching right now in Miami ever no I know I have and they can say they want to say. I think I agree with you. The Front Office is is putting Brian Florez and his team and a bad situation. I kind of feel bad for be flow to Steven A. Because regardless of what we know the Front Office doing is doing this is going to be on his resume and as an african-american coach who we haven't gotten a lot of opportunities per se when you look at the big picture and now Brian Around Florez has one and the dolphins might win two games this year but that's two in fourteen is going to be on his record regardless in three or four years when you look back. Nobody's GonNa Remember member well. The Front Office Passageway Shen all they're going to say is Bryan Florez Fourteen. He's gotta live with that so to know what they're doing with four T to afford book. I'm making a legitimate argument to say something. I think they might go on sixteen bro. I can't see this team winning the game. I'll be stunt. I'll be stunned and I want to see the NFL team that loses to these Miami Dolphins. I've never seen such atrocity on. NFL and I'll make the point with this booker is one take for you to be bad in November December nine ten of whatever you just WanNa go home and you're done. I mean Damn. They opened up the season sticking up to join. David Stakes Day one yeah I I. It's hard to go and sixteen. I would venture to say I don't think so be- yeah well I hopefully for be flow that they love and the ball bounced their way at some point the season. I don't think they're going to win more than one or two who but I I do think you'll get one or two bogeyman. Father Right here was even a is being radio news. The eternal optimist pudding fallen from now on is taking this position about the Miami Dolphins I right now. I have my MVP candidates based on their performances in this this order Patrick Mahomes that number one Lamar Jackson at number two Dak Prescott at number three and he disagreement there for you I will put that to over Lamar because I think they're really the cowboys yes. I think the cowboys are better TV. The giants played the giants booger listen. I'm just going off for the performance. The team and other side doesn't really matter. I'm looking at the execution. I see why you have padding mahomes number. One and that's understandable speaks for itself. the cowboys are legitimate super bowl contender that press guy right now is driving the price up for Jerry Jones. I really don't understand why Jerry hasn't paid demands to be disrespectful. Gas To me the fact that Jerry doesn't go ahead and to venture to say and take care of I I I would say that none of the other quarterbacks none of the other headlines quarterbacks would be treated this way I couldn't. I couldn't paint Hannah picture where you have a young quarterback. That's playing well who's basically playing on the on the last fourteen games of his deal. The WHO's not been taken care of because what it does is give that peace of mind you can talk about the insurance policy and all that stuff. He's got endorsements but that's not his contract now. Oh he doesn't have peace of mind so the fact that Jerry is still a little mental gymnastics quarterback. I completely disagree. I will tell you this to you. Probably I stand corrected correct because I said he played the giants. Completely forgetting that Lamar Jackson played the Miami Dolphins a week one shame on me shame on me. Bookham follow and you're absolutely right about about that. Peace of mind for people out there that are realize that stuff mad is when you wondering about your contract status wondering whether or not going to get paid it makes you look at other people salty like really really you really hesitate to pay me so I kinda wonder what Dak Prescott. He doesn't give me any oppression that he's GonNa let a fluster him nor does it give me any impression that he's going to allow his professionalism to dissipate in any way but I don't blame him. You know if he's a bit frustrated. Make no mistake about it. Last Question Antonio Brown with the with the Patriots yesterday is hard for me to take anything. He's done seriously because they were they were against the dolphins. The flip side is they realize what he can do not just as a wide out but in the slot as well is something special that could be Bruin in New England and I'm just hoping that they're not the Golden State Warriors with Kevin Durant of the NFL where we're looking at them and knowing nobody can beat them. That's what I'm hoping for. What about you or you know football is has a way of humbling and even taking the most talented teams and putting them in defeat. We've seen what happened to the Philadelphia Eagles. They thought they had a dream team now. I realize Tom Brady is the goat and this is an entirely different animal. You have Antonio Brown. can keep his nose clean. Come in and we're car. Their offense is going to be as unstoppable if not more then the Kansas City chiefs and I would favor New England because New England's defense is is better and and and I think those who teams if they stay healthy are on a collision course for another. AFC Championship game and it doesn't matter what you play it at like that game is going to be one. I'm for the ages I just hope. Ab gives us something positive to talk about. I'm tired of talking about a be a negative light because he's one of the young on dynamic players and football a lot of kids look up to him and for whatever reason he just doesn't understand the platform. He's on but often times in life. You don't start to you realize that until it's too late and I hope he doesn't realize it you know five ten years down the road the opportunity in the platform that he has now been followed looking forward to listening to you tonight. Call the jets brown Monday night football buddy. I'll be watching thanks so much all right one and only follow right here with Steven. ESPN RADIO ESPN news eight eight eight say ESPN is always the number to call eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six. We'll get your phone calls and more right after this break. 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He put his Sir you stop it. I you said he put and then we lost you for a second so start back. You said he put what so we can get you. I'm saying that would would why we saying it was racist. What he said is because he put too much emphasis on hisself self life now his life is you might he might not be rich. We you know we understand that but it is a little Louis easier now his passion I understand Tiba Passion but when you start seeing the history and you'll grant and all of that I think as a black playing football and I'm not playing the race card. I'm just being reality. You have to look at him funny because he's he was set in college and after college now right there. Stop right there. Here's where you're wrong. You're highlighting different two different prism that he's looking at it some compared to you right now. Say Stay with me for second. You're basically basically saying that as a black person you're going to view the dynamics of college athletics as it pertained to compensation station towards the student athlete vast majority of them being black in college football and college basketball of course you're. GonNa say he has a different point of view day so you cause. He Ain't coming from your perspective right. Is that what you're saying well no. I'm not necessarily saying it just so happened that the majority of US play football but the person who asked this question is a white guy tom out we also they asked me. They asked Ryan clock. They've asked two white and black players Damian what he spoke about it. The whole bit what I'm saying to you is distant. Here's what I'm challenge you slip you can highlight right how he might see things differently because he's a white guy and he comes from a different background as some of these underprivileged a privileged athletes and that might be a reason why he views things differently the U. which is no problem with that because I happen to be factually correct buffer him to be castigated and excoriated as if he had alison ten in expressing a different point of view than you for that matter because I probably agree with you. I'm saying that's going to there. For why could we not simply say your Bro. Nope we disagree with this. I feel differently than you. Here's why how can we couldn't do that because the person Stephen I got you gotta coming from as you. Iran clocking those guys you didn't put passion into it and you gotta understand where I'm coming from. Whom I don't understand why you you come from because we have put passion into it. It's just an odd passion because of how we feel there's a line with your passion and how you feel you saying what you're saying saying about. Tim Tebow is the equivalent of me getting on you for calling up to this show speaking passionately against him. What's wrong with the passion. If that's what you believe no it isn't I'm not speaking black and white understand what I'm saying the person to me T. Oh you both is not a person who would understand that he needs money. Okay now. It's not black and white. It just so happened that we are the majority in this sport so I don't think that you can ask a white guy. What a black person. Your arguments should be against us because we asked custom it. Should it be him giving an honest answer to our question what I want to say. Basically I think when you said people Bush should be ashamed that they show I think no no no no no wait a minute you ankle give no referendum on ESPN cut that out. We ain't going there what I'm saying thing. Is this your attacking the guy's character I'm not saying you but people were cat attacking his character because because they disagreed with his position and I equated to was the equivalent of expecting white billionaires for example to be sensitive to the black plight. If you way black and you a billionaire. What would you have to do with the black plight? There's a level of sensitivity not that you would hope of this half but the expectation that they showed this fool's gold because if they don't relate to experiences and they don't want to Stan Dan and they don't get it the nasty reality. Even let's stop saying black and white when that talking black and white is just so happened been that they asked the white guy if it really in a way he can only clueless tutor scenario meaning. It's you know somebody's making trillion does the dollars off of you okay but the money was one one billion and that was the NC Double A. during the march on other than that you got big. Schools haven't television context. Whatever there's plenty of colleges ain't making money but go ahead? You're see all I'm saying the end of the day Steven A. and what this comes down to is college. glaze should be compensated in some way for him but he did say that he did say that he didn't say it like that lying so now it's like well. What the Hell is. He supposed to use live. If we're asking what are they supposed to come with judgment perspective. You're asked past experience when I'm listening to your your show Steven. One thing I like about you is you don't use your opinion in all of your experiences to George W desk because I've been a journalist for twenty five years and I've been connected to people directly involved in stories so I have inside information and I have a more defined an indepth perspective that our thieving thieving from others that most people don't have the luxury of having that would target. I'm glad you said that. Do you think Tibo has that same perspective though I it sounds more like he's not down with it well. He's not wait a minute. He's unapologetic about not being down with it but what he is saying is breath. I did play college football. I am Ha's Mitchell FY winner. I did with the National Championship. I had the number one selling Jersey. I didn't get dawn while he institution got a dime and I didn't care. That's what he's saying. You're right but he cannot speak for. Let me just say that's why keep interrupting you because you keep going off off kilter and you're wrong. He did not speak for anybody else. He said him for what he feels. He doesn't believe this. Here's why his personal opinion about doc is feeling is that's what he said the point of making to playing black and white black and white. I just wish I'd say that's what he said. That's what I said. He was talking about himself. That's what I said. I didn't say black white. No no I didn't say I didn't say that. Lets you want what I'm saying. Stephen they at the end of the day they asked the wrong person because when you as a person that questioned you're not allowed to go and ready for this ready for this land. I I just had you on the air for almost four minutes. There are a lot of people out there listening right now feel that I'm listening to the wrong person. They're like what are you qualify. How you qualify to say something. I'm not questioning it but they might but guess what you ask. Everybody a Potpourri of opinions come our way. That's what makes excrete here from every body now if you want to disagree with him disagree with him and I gotta go appreciate your time. Thank you for the call. If you want to disagree with him the slips of the world out there that's fine but to act like he don't have the right to express it is ridiculous and act act like it becomes a racial conversation. I don't even have a problem with that because people look at it from a race from racial points of view. If you're black you might feel different about it as it pertains to compensation part of student athletes then if you're white I understand that but to sit up the into never have any reason to look get him in regards to racism and in a suddenly go that route just because he expressed an opinion. That's different to you think it should be. He is wrong in my humble opinion it at eight say. ESPN edit eight seven to nine three seven seven six. We're close out the show with your calls. Steven is ESPN RADIO ESPN news. Guess what you're in the middle of a Stephen Smith. Show podcast. If you missed any of today's show go check it out on demand and Stephen Smith podcast brought to you by the capital one quick silver card earning unlimited one and a half percent cashback on every purchase everywhere. Hey Hey what's your wallet Andre Alava Stephen Real Quick Dray. Go ahead yeah thanksgiving. Everybody has a right to their own opinions. Everyone does not have a right to their own specs. He won the National Championship at Florida. He you obviously get more than a few economic classes because this man is up here talking about authenticity realness and passion and to multibillion dollar industries. Let's breakdown coach. K. would be the third highest paid coach in the NBA okay if he wasn't an NBA man makes ten million dollars a year he getting at Brett Zion Ryan. Rj Damn start right this guy right there. Let me help you jogging near Tim Tibo. We both disagree with you but you're acting like he's ill-informed. He's not he's just doesn't care what I mean by that is he's aware to college coaches. GET MONEY. He's awaited rated. Administrations and institutions get money. He harbors the personal belief that student athletes should be supported. Should it'd be compensated in some capacity but shouldn't be paid. That's his position. See what I'm trying to say is agree or disagree. Stop acting like somebody doesn't know stop acting like Oh. He's privilege so he doesn't care. He is it from a privileged background. A and B Tim People Bowl has stated publicly and unapologetically. He had opportunity to make loads of money. Why everybody around there was making money. He Never David and he never cared attack. That premise it's not that he doesn't know is that he does not care. He did not care about the money and he doesn't believe that the student athlete an amateur sport should care either. That's his position okay sure if if he's happy with a couple thousand dollars here and there and that's what he was saying hi hi bill that's what he was saying. That's exactly what he was happy with a scholarship. You know ten twenty thousand dollars a year again in these two multi-billion dollar industries then let him go ahead and be happy but but but for me I like what Lebron is doing on the other hand. I like the broad on his way to being you know a billionaire athlete and own NBA and NFL franchises because he's maximized. That's fine soda. Why but you have to understand. He doesn't feel that way and biblically when we talk about what good is the world what what good is a man who profit the whole world but loses his own soul. That's where he comes from. Now will use that phrase we use that term in the Bible to lean on it particularly for those of us who don't ask and we have no problem with it now. Here's a guy that lives by it and suddenly we have a problem okay. Let them keep on living by but I live by John but nobody cares. Evidently you care hell of a lot more about what he lives by. Ah then what other people live Bob because he doesn't have a problem with what you live by. Just don't have a problem what he lives by. GotTa go running out of time. Talk to you another day. I don't understand then this. Here's a guy that had an opportunity to make. Millions did it do it didn't care and Y'all WanNa crucify because he'd okay. Wow how talk to you on twenty two hours visa just a sample of what you hear on the Stephen a Smith show weekdays at one P._M. Eastern on E._S._p._N. radio and the E._S._p._N. APP.

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