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Men in Blazers 04/16/21: WGFOP: The Bald

Men In Blazers

28:15 min | 2 months ago

Men in Blazers 04/16/21: WGFOP: The Bald

"This is rebecca. Lowe will rebecca if you listen to sub optimal radio and you on this thing to men in blazers on the nbc sports network. It's friday malkin ally. Little sue tend to slightly today. I'm not quite sure if i was caused by having to sign hundreds of book plates ahead of memoir publication a task which is meant. I am barely making it to the end of this week. You will foul. I that at times right. Maybe and i'm starting to believe that maybe this is. The case is the prospect of having to jefferson against tottenham hotspur this afternoon. Which is my body just attempting to shut itself down. Override my ability to witness that dark spectacle ever two teams from the identical cloth of broken big dreams. Pay us do plenty alma. And this is the manchester by the sea of football matches but fair. No dale listen I will be there along with year at three pm eastern time this afternoon. Infant television to consume the total dog offer a game. The promises to be the footballing equivalent of your knife fighting to the death gate droughts wakeham thank god. It's fa count weekend which we will dive into nfl. Kept weekend in which all for the teams have different motivations. You actually give a crap the quadruple facility for two holes chelsea rebounding from a wobble falesa feeling a pulse for southampton. We will be back on television this monday. At five thirty pm eastern time on nbc sports after liverpool and leeds collide krystal turned the magnificent crystal. Dump bloody hell. This is an interview. Which is it's amazing she guests. Let's dive in breakdown the weekend now but they let you might want to take a leaf out of sack is book from yesterday post-match when he was asked what it feels like to be facing udai emory again also villarreal in the semifinal of the week on sacco wisely. Just did this still work to do in the league. But very al up next anne marie someone. You all know very very well. Yeah yeah we look forward to the to the next opponent after going out to the to me. Thank you bye-bye. I think i have to go. Now go away while you still can jeff piece or else. As a last warning i offer you and emory salute with a mean. Yeah let's do sting me up producer. Jona work in front worry at the back. It's the ball w chief that was. It's the bull by robe wittig each right. This is the ball. Wf repeatable to be precise verse. Show you call in question. The number six four six four five zero nine four seven. I avoid answering a bit like sacco. I think i have to go now. Presented by giraffe king sportsbook month of boss cables regular season and drove kingsport spoke. America's top rated sportsbook abbas. Put you in a sense of the action with a chance to turn and one hundred cents into one hundred dollars aloft sense infre- bat swat download the raty draftking sports cap now and use promo code. Might be bay. Maybe when you sign up to one dollar one hundred cents into one hundred dollars. That's a lot of sense in free bets. If the basketball team of your choosing to three crazy that's code. Mib remember to tell one dollars into one hundred dollars in free bets. Very limited time only draftkings all jaren only new customers only six plac- tricky outcomes. Those books with the companies run questioned wall. Nah iraj michael drew here in san luis obispo california Big sports day for me yesterday being chicago sports fan and also man city carlos redondo hitter and the city boys citizens here My question is how do i rationalize picking men that he is my team. Nine years ago and now realizing that they're more or less the yankees of the premier league. I picked them because they'd be united states. One in the first soccer game i ever watched. Let's get that quad excited to hear what you have to say. Michael oh my god. I love san luis. Obispo once. Flew up from la to fill cow. Poli with the mighty steve sampson and i found your town to be beautiful way. Stunning parv on asian. To everyone in that town my god. I didn't incredible attack there that night. I root down no hitter. What a moment proof. You should never give up. That goes for both player and not also showed us that. Greatness can emerge when you least expect it or is that just road trying to talk himself into believing guilty is going to score a hat-trick this dude. Who knows who cares you. Question is about city and it's a great. Well look michael. football's done. If you recognize. I've listened to our crap long time but it's about feeling things making memories. It's the avangard mastery of katie bay. It's the movement. Again the one. It's the impudent brilliance of mira sports from them. It's not rational heads when really want think about what's on the rock. We don't want to ask ourselves. How is sausage made below the surface. We don't say we we know fee for is corrupt. But we do we occasionally. Hey everybody but people don't really find that as fascinating as many sports business reporters wish or as it should be. We don't ask why are agents charging fees and dominating football to an absurd extent. Why awesome middle eastern. petro states. The difference between winning or losing. And you could ask yourself the question. But we don't want we don't want to look and say. Oh my god. Champions league loss four this petrodollars work for three of these four teams and heavy. Petro investment in the fourth look psg versus man city. For god's sakes is the first abu dhabi qatar dabi since since the blockade. Don't wanna ask those kind of questions. But we kind of have to ahead of this semifinal shape source team lonnie up against all the guard room and bromo rich's team in the fa cup semi final stage of a quadruple campaign and a quadruple. It is humanly remarkable. There is no doubt to compete collectively with a blip almost as the season has ground. That's an incredible human achievement but to ignore the financial underpinnings of that. I'd say only. The most in denial city fan will tell you that it's just because it peps genius or the signings that they've made. So how do we handle this. Great question michael ahead of this emmy final which have to rule on one level is shaped man was taking manchester city up against only coke. Room apartment rich's team chelsea the greatest of stages noticed. Wembley wembley when a quadruple is up for grabs in. Yes a quadruple. Incredible human achievement. They matter the financing no matter the funding they matter no matter the everything to be to be that clinical to be that collectively able over and over again that consistent. That's an incredible feat. Needs to be applauded but only the most international city fan will make the cases just because it peps genius to how do you handle. How should you say by being aware of the cognitive dissonance. You look at it city seconds. He could win this premier league. The third choice could probably come pretty close that stockpile of talent that wage go be aware of it and the standard admitted at the same time saver. I think a lot about the sisters. I interviewed olga and vera favors in a hundred old. Who's about to hit that. Who sadly passed away. Two months agaist. The two sisters have watch manchester city for over eighty five years. The majority these years decade with times of dog ness failure self sabotage. The t murray joke. I mean they. Own fans reveled in that jake and speaking to olga. She saw this golden period as a reward. A reward for all that suffering. No gallagher said that we deserve it when he came on the show we've baron pathways forever routes to nowhere and now we revel in it and i'll say is evident from what i hear that i cannot deny you that city fans but be away. Yes michael yativ all the yankees when the yankees really worthy yankees but chelsea the red sox but when they were in that almost race. And that's what's gonna make this. Fa cup semifinal so magic to football brains but be doing tactical battle with incredibly well-financed squads for all the light it's the bull crap versus a thomas who doesn't know it yet. Manchester city arrive at overcoming three. Straight years of champions. Of course a final impotency by dumping dortmund for to be the man who crush cities quadruple dreams and took one step closer to civil in the protests that will be a true marker for the teuku verse in its first half season. It's going to be fascinating. See what kind of team pet will unfurl possibly resting. Kdb always definitely resting food. For that champion's league semifinal tilt still to come steph and that means we'll probably get a gold chelsea fans. We'll hope that some kimber policy covered now. Trae of cries out for. Monica will find a way past him. We'll leave you if a taste of magic. I'd love this week after. He came back from a goal down through the mighty fill foden to repel dormant and jud bellingham pet was asked if people leave jude. The kid was seventy. What would you say about the way that jude bellingham played against your team over the two matches really. Can you believe that he's only seventeen. I cannot believe it. maybe it's a liar is so good to is a fantastic player. Maybe he o- pat the other semifinal. Leicester city i is south hampton sunday one thirty pm eastern time. Espn plus well for southampton this game is everything for leicester fending off a second consecutive season. The wobble out the top four remains a priority. But wembley for bro is what central park was this garfunkel. He's going to have medicine. Hamza chowdhry and peres back. Well rested because they were held out from last week's insipid defeated west ham punishment for breaching covert protocols. You've got to believe that we're going to be motivated to make amends. Wheels within wheels. I for one would love to see bridges top spray tan and teeth wine specially for nfl cup final. That would be the of the competition and does thinking win. I love this courage affairs from this week on benching madison and his. The mom lost one on a year. It's your decision any temptation because it's such a big match to say okay let it slide. Basically we can do yourself but for me. It's all always bit discipline. Know in order to in order to be a winner or competed the top end of this table. You got like a winner and not one on one mentality is a certain level of behavior in the main set next question. Please my taylor daniel. I'm calling from charleston south carolina and i'm an arsenal supporter. Call and talk about how we storm by way into the semifinals. today it was unexpected and I think the main thing i have to take away is that at this point. There's no excuse. You have to drop the sarcasm and just actually believe a little bit that we can turn it all around and go from perpetual decline and mired muck to actually being back in the champions league next year all due to one glorious ride. But i can imagine you correcting me in saying the moment you believe is the moment that is a seals the heartbreak. The glory curry off from charleston. I caught off to you. That is a semi passable roj impression at the end of that question. The movement you believe is the movement that seals outbreak is a tattoo for my four hour. To take a leap. You know that taylor. You gotta take a leap. You could be vulnerable leaker to allow yourself to fail things. Even they are a quick swift. Kick into the crouch the wonder football and the winner of arsenal football hats off to ask though bloody football club is it can enable you to experience all of the emotions i am on the still buoyed by an incredible last night's europa league clash arsenal playing against racist. Fca slavia prague having late on collapsed in the first black checkered ation. The game was in prague. Just just don't this was bound to for awesome i'll tattoo. How much pain can these people take but then narrative the previous round aproach defend. The you will remember had received a ten much ban for racially abusing rangers going kamara a former arsenal plaid. Awful awful just a just an eyesore of a moment and then right before kickoff. The entire arsenal team took innate the protein. They didn't join them. They prefer to line up in solidarity shoulder to shoulder at the halfway line and then he saw it. Captain kazak calmly swaggering towards his opponents. Starting eleven staring them down eye to eye as he took in the relishing in the human awfulness and his own sense of courage he knew what was the. It was a remarkable spectacle. Really take a look. It's on our twitter. it's everywhere because arsenal then proceeded to smash to wall up to absolutely batter their opponents for nail lacquer scoring twice it was magnificent and when you look at the power of the images and the expressions on the faces of both teams before kick-off you can say the game was web in that very moment an incredible human in which football impose something much bigger than football much more important and there was a fight between right and wrong between justice and human darkness and in football terms. This was an arsenal win. That even taught them fans have to applaud. Also back this sunday gained full of must must must win for fulham but all energy the emirates will be turned towards the villarreal games. Ameri case his old law can arsenal. Emery became a joke in england. They stop want to low fat. He's managed twenty warm to leggate. Europa league knockout ties in his career. And he's worth old twenty one compared to that altera has little track record in any competition but he does have evidence he can do it in a knockout. The fa cup two legged a fair bit different. But it's not too far base. I think he's actually better at managing knockout campaigns than the league. Slog and when you look at saka. He's bloody good. These bloody good may be up there with jude. Bellingham quality up there with full foden to gents who really stole the young english hero of the week. Highlights let's relish for one second and that full-throated movement of joy. Talking i enters the action. Full the germans now his foden. Let's fly on schools and that will do it today. He's young throne prince. Philip food great question now nurse. I raj this is jeff andrews from avon colorado. I'm an arsenal supporter. And i would like to know whether i'm more likely to drink more younger meister. If arsenal wins or personal news. Thanks for your time. Appreciate it all. You do jess jeff jeff. I love this question ultimately drink. He gave the short matter the result. It's what so way something in life to toast dig deep if you have the big glory familiar return of an old companion named hello darkness. My old friend one loss question. Hey my name. Is julio vega. I am living in amarillo. Texas is a way of dallas. texas i just wanted to call to say that I really appreciate all the work that you and dave. Oh and jay dubb's an all. The production team do Living alone in a city far away from your hometown. Six hours away as been particularly difficult on me Especially with the death of a very good friend of mine. I guess i just wanted to ask you. Raj what was it. Like coming to america for the first time. And how did you cope. And how did you do the dark in downtimes. Thanks thanks for all you do. Love the pod. Love your work. Not everybody on the team coverage by. Julio hey man thanks for your kind words. And i am so sorry for your loss. Your friend's memory is a blessing to this has been a time of darkness. A time of suffering a timer pain. We will never forget it. Never compare what. I've been through in my struggle to build a life in america to what it sounds like. You've been through but i will attempt to answer because i came here knowing. No one came here without visa and the worse impre- challenging times. I'm not gonna lie. In the years. As i tried to build the life here from scratch in a city where had no family. No friends no support and no money and think you know. I've spent a ten lockdown writing a book which comes out at the end of june right before july fourth. It's called reborn in the us. And i wrote a love letter to america at a time. When the nation well could they. It's a memoir of what it was like. To grow up in a deteriorating. No one thousand nine hundred s liverpool bat when that city which is now mike deficit but by that it was fooling apart it was economically bereft living life in black and white and i dreamt states is a place where life could be lived in technical to really guest the book a little light bill elliot but without the ballet dancing with the beastie boys tracy chapman and the super bowl winning chicago bears there to really and i mean this saved my life and then spent a law of lockdown. What in the you know it. State this place that i have long idealized. Andris governor place it. Save me come apart at the right. After i finally became a citizen and the whole experience made me really forced me to retrace the source of my love for this nation which was against american soft power at very thome american. Soft power is its lowest ebb and the book is a result of the blurbs for it by the remarkable meaning times. She summed it up for better than i can. She said it's an attempt to examine what it means to pursue the american dream and what that dream should and still can represent and it's still can. I really clink gold in answer to your question. Because his the story i learned about myself in writing this book who for all pretend to be negative and dog and knowing only failure as habits and fan might chilly core an incredibly optimistic human being to even my mouth even doesn't know what shape tomat- well they admit that feeling and uses those words. I am an incredibly optimistic. Human being and ultimately believe that the good inhumanity will win out a tweeted that when a very for the first time in the last election actually listened to jason is bells hoped by road on the way down to the polling station at five thirty in the morning and that lyric face the car be more then the nurse the be more and i do believe in that in the epilogue book hooley. I borrowed a quite from the great late. American john lewis who want said. Be kind be hopeful. Be optimistic navigate. It's all can be okay. We're one people we're one family. We all live in the same house and read that quote over to myself over and over and over over the past twelve months. All of which is to say that i guess professionally. I spent my life searching for that. Good you listen to the darrell decay interview from last week. Tell me feel better about the future by listening to listen to so many of the interviews. We've done this year for samuel jon. Oliva awesome venga arron roaches risk. Andy robinson crusoe call. They want you loti hectic bell anymore. Harry duncan robinson on and on and on and all really just variations on themes about human perseverance believe growing tenacity. Just wait till the hair. Jesse langone conversation. I mean this is what i believe in. Julio this is what keeps me going. And by listening to these kinds of people talking about their approaches to life their experiences and seeking to emulate them. That's how their and so two this monday in which crystal done guests and well she is. She's one of my favorite. Football is in america for a reason. A savvy creative force. Eighteen inches fighter a lethal finisher. Faster stronger smarter than all those around. And the who in a room words just tries to pump as much positive energy into the world as she possibly can. I'm gonna leave you. We're a taste of crystal dirt. Who is so remarkable. I'll be back on monday. Until then i send you all my love and wishes for the nwa sell. The greatest league is just returned fully up a loss. Jazz challenge cup. When the league became the first team sports in north america returned to action in the bubble during the pandemic. We'll say it was one of the highlights of lockdown down for me twenty twenty which just very month after george floyd mud amid a summer of chaos in america as rule began to grapple with issues of racial injustice police brutality systemic racism crystal. Us suddenly propelled into the spotlight. League's most prominent african american players as someone who's been vocal about discussions of racial equity in the sport for years. How did it fail when people finally started the sit up and take notice. I still think there's so much work that needs to be done. But i do think the league tried to show their support and they understood that there are black players in the nfl who were hurting and felt the effects of george floyd death. I just think there wasn't enough time to really do all the things that we wanted to do. As a league george voids death occurred and then about two weeks later. The start of the challenge cup was beginning. There just wasn't enough. Time to have these conversations these deep conversations that really could have helped in the long run and i think some teams were better off than others but ultimately speaking it was really great to have a start somewhere the conversations. I was able to have with my team at the time. North carolina was incredible players. Coming up to me asking me questions. We got together almost every night in the challenge. Cup to really just check in with each other and say hey. What do we want to do for the next game. What do we want to do to really not lose the focus of these events and not just only focus on soccer yes. We're here to win. But we are here to bring awareness to these issues. And i think even though those conversations are continuing it was really great in that moment to start there.

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Goldmine: Stevie Van Zandt

Pantheon

52:36 min | 10 months ago

Goldmine: Stevie Van Zandt

"A Little Steven Van Zandt during summer vacation time. This is pat prints editor of goal, my magazine. Yup At summer vacation time the time during the time of pandemic to where there's mostly steak staycationing. That's an at home vacation and I will be taking one of those, and because of that our guest interviewer Ray Chelsea Hausky Ago Mike? Contributor we'll talk to Steve. Van Zandt for this episode of the Gold Mine podcast he talked a little steven over the phone about the new release rock and roll rebel that's box set by little steven thirteen. CDs which covers the early work an individual CDs and rare concert films and collects the rock and roll home famers. Solo records between nineteen, eighty, two and nineteen, Ninety nine including newly remastered editions of six albums. Men Without women and Nineteen eighty-two Voice of America and nineteen. eighty-three. The. Popular Sun City in Nineteen eighty-five freedom no compromise one, thousand nine, hundred eighty seven revolution nineteen eighty-nine born again, savage nineteen, ninety, nine, and four ds of bonus content in addition men without women, Voice of America and freedom no compromise will each be joined by exclusive DVD featuring classic for length live concert video from the same era as the album's. Okay Well Ray will get little stephen on the phone and there's a little pigeon, Stevens Voice on the phone connection and he's pandemic times that's hard to do in person interview. So please bear with us but it's slight. An interview is so good that you'll want to hear it. The universe centers again on the box set. Here's the interview. Enjoy. I'll be back next week for the goal line podcast Hey Steve how're you doing today? Hey. So I'm I'm sitting in front of this incredible box set that you put together and I can't believe how much contents in here I will tell you that it's Kinda like the the kind of set that someone would put together when they're ready to hang up the cleats, which I hope is not the case with you Glad I. You know what? What prompted you to to decide to to undertake this this this initiative here Trying to get everything out. You know I haven't had anything out in. Decades and Three years. Was this. Accidental. reconnections. Rights work at really turned out to be the most productive three years away life. Really. Five album packages and? Take the same time I. I just have never really had remastered the catalog or or you know any of that stuff. So I just kind of way behind on everything in them. This point you know. We just said look. I'm Kinda back into this thing and Let's get everything out man. Let's get everything out that. We possibly can so. So I started a little bit of a search in a couple of. France, Improv, and gone through some. Hawks and closet. Kyushu batches, full consent. They sound like you know. The extra track or something and the. But. The main thing was this the remastered, a whole catalogue and? Get back out on on vinyl. It's all coming back on CD. Giving out pretty much so. Generally Nascar everything is this all did you take another look at all this stuff? Did you. Did you take a new look afresh lip from the and remastered everything? Yeah. Yeah I kinda went through them. I was really. The river. Place you're using when I when I. At the first rehearsal. Literally this cat. Desist. Out of the blue had not been together in acclaim I grew sensible. Wow you know sounds like clean you know. It was swinging it. You know one thing leads to another. And You know. I was was your. First Time in twenty years. I realized man stuff is. Different you know it's something different about it and I kinda created my own. Shower. In the way amount sub-genre of this rock meets the soul fake. Yet. And, and you know, of course, record moment because the different but. particularly. Taken with A. Birth album and then that the sound of the horns it. Combined Rock. With horns. That we created with south. China very jokes. I just felt like, wow, you know the stuff has value and. Especially, the really have abandoned different one Russia's. I should've hung there and. Continue to to to write and make records. You know I just got sidetracked started acting. Kabamba together. Twentieth. So. I have to I it for beyond being big Fan. You know obviously they my blog after after the cycles but the I would I used to do this by sound crazy and weird. But you know going to US record stores I. I was going through by albums today just to compare the albums to you know what I'm looking at here and I would buy if I saw a copy of any of your records diet because you couldn't get there are no longer being issued some of them you can get in CD's and I didn't Foresee, happening, and what's what's really interesting to me about about this package. going through it because it's really like it's a real treat to tackle is that Your outcomes always had a lot of content to your downloading your your music Really you're missing the whole other experience of the liner notes. You know I was showing my wife last night on on freedom no compromise. All recommended reading that you put in there. There there was it was much more than just the musical experience and I think that having the ability to look at it this way here brings back to life for people and and for people who might have had the records and got rid of the records. It's a it's a way to revisit that, and so I did the packaging really brings it to life pretty cool way. Now. Some star start with the curse on the side of the first record. Last time I talked to you. I told you that I had the press kit I, bought it Amoeba records in La offer your first records, and it came with that an article from La. Times it came with this little short story called waiting for Little Steven comes with a poster comes to the copy of the album and there's oppression. And the pressure scrawled the writing on the wall and it says use critics who write about the rolling stones nineteen sixty, three, Bob Dylan in nineteen, sixty, five and Bruce springsteen eighteen, seventy, five, it's nineteen, eighty two, and this is what critics are saying about little steven and disciples of soul rolling stone said what can't be Ni- tonight? It's a little steven spurred an intensity as a singer songwriter. What he sings he's talking about a life lipper music the time said album of uncompromising passionate rock and roll I. Think the the the best quote was from the Bergen record it says. The premier released little steven and his disciples a so so perfectly constructed and performed that it just about the final at rock and still be in this day and age Yep looking back is the records record continues to be heralded as one of the best records of the eighties another that when I was at rolling stone, it was always on our our our our best blessed when you were making that record did you did you did you know what you had like as you were recording in the studio where you like? Yeah this is really something. I recommend was particularly. Weird because I I did the whole thing one day. Coming. Off. Experiment we there with with with born USA Where you we were really. Alive thing in the studio. You know thinking back now. Illogic to doing this I mean is a real reason to do it. But we just kind of got into this thing where you know let's see how much you can do. So the Whatever, was on I don't know kind of USA. Fourteen tracks attractive. But like like whatever eleven or twelve of the fourteen tracks where when I was still there producing it at the. End they was like really lives and I mean really live right? Like if I wanted to sing it again, we played it again. That's that's how lies close. Again. Using elite just. fucking around really. So anyways, US. Still in that frame of mind and. Brought to you know whatever was twelve piece band in and and Ten. We formed a circle and put the speakers on the studio, no headsets, and literally did the whole apple something getting the day. That's I. You know I came back with sex days they will do it again so. Again second day. and. Then you know pick takes that and then and then I don't manage to you know, of course, spend the entire record. You know fucking around. We saying a couple of things. A couple of them. Solos on. Guitar Participant Literally A. Couple over a couple of. Them so it was a very, very Very organic record I mean. I I always felt it was a little. underproduced to be honest I looking back on it now it just silly. To a gun it that way you know. I should have produced it the way I. I you know. Producer the people. But, but it had a certain natural I just wanted to be. As. Honest. Myself. Simpler. It was honest. It would be and and Just discount jumping in experimenting we're. GonNa. Be. What. Being an artist is really going to be all about me. You know and I just I, just kind of jumping in just experimenting. Took more time to make those coats. So. So with that record, you started something with these these albums that I I I find interesting because it's in this package to this whole thing of having posters inside and you know the the the liner notes were that you know that started off as a you know one side is being picture and wider notes, and then it's other side is a collage and then each one or the other albums at it. That is kind of cool. The way that they reproduced obviously smaller but you know what? What was whose idea is this that this would be in all these these early records of us, some kind of collectible toaster inside. Out. Really. I really don't know I remember. Talking about her thinking about it or thinks. The Dispensary Company type thing I guess I really am I. Remember them even existing. What we wanted to giant. We. Produce enough. Accurately, as possible so Very wasn't really at that big a deal. The all these bonus tracks or It's like there's so much here to mine and when I first looked at it and I saw that you had so many versions of vote. and you know, let me see your ID and and the other of. Like how are these really gonna be but they really are different describes was it just with though songs you decided to do you took a lot of different approaches or that a sampling of you there's something that you did later in your career Solo career, we took a lot more takes of of attraction experimented. Or? At a certain point. Right, you're right in that. Period a lot of that. Twelve inch thing. Yes. Experimenting Really Different ideas. I, I bring in a whole lot of other producers were bringing somebody. See what they had. Different. A takeoff. Again, this kind of experimenting expanding the. Spanning the artistic rises you know maybe certain. A third saw in all. You know let south to. Do not more than others and. Closely with the fussiness. Baker was. was evolved. So Arthur. You know there was taken off in different directions and And I was encouraging because we were creating an album. And album kind of. grew organically. That one saw it was very. Fascinating. Experience. Actually. To witness it because it was. They tend to do Alice I. But you know. Coming in and. You know we wanNA tell speaker these this new thing called rap. Which the industry was? Real tight squelch. They want was interested in the any of the. The. Real. The real guys were like you're waiting for it to go away and. Questioning even why I would quit rappers on record you know of this of this magnitude, how this kind of sophistication magnitude. and. And I was like. This is the most. Gordon. Development. For Brightest. Seen in my life. I. Mean the first time. Expressing themselves. You know unless. To fight for you know. Fight for. A couple of exceptions to look you'll start hanging over the last poets but. Mostly, black artists were not encouraged to express themselves and this crap thing I think he's a really healthy thing. How you know. How put? Them on and then they would come in and we realized when minute. We can only use a for lying to on the actual single. So we started saying listen. Just makeup something you know about South whatever you want you know, and then we'll do it later. So Millie. went to another rule came back. Later this. Amazing. About. It and The Baker you know just started we started. Doing these Taj is and not putting trump things and particular many with different. To have a crew in order to have a whole crew drum. And Bass players and you know. people were were were around and so we. Really, got into it artistically, just federally. Gabriel came in and you know he started this chant thing because all we had. A lot drum. Knowing that. So. People would was with work which is that. Everybody, played to you know Including Miles Davis you know he came in and you know he plays the five minutes. Can only use it for ten seconds. On the record I'm like. I'll even five minutes status floor you know and. So, you know we brought his Carter Tony Lance. Herbie Hancock's. And creative. Create. So you know. Another and READ THE PROCESS People coming right to lines and expanded that I mean what what I think is they let me see your id to me really should be the sauna people look at it said of walk this way as the first marriage of rock and rap I. Mean I think bringing in Peter Peter Wolf into that track is it was brilliant I mean way the whole thing with Gil Scott Heron and a and all those rappers I mean if it snaps together so tight it's it's incredible. Time. In the Middle East not talk. Pittsburgh. Is. From. To the real. Thank you. Yeah. We're really quite to that in. You know that that that's where you know Arthur was just like. Really. Speak of creativity and You know, and again, we have all these different voices and different ideas and we were. So we're going to find a way to marry together because you know it's just A. Was An opportunity. Not GonNa come often. So we really make the most of good I can't can How did you? How did you get? It. Always amazes me and I remember watching it always say about this record I think you've got more press than got airplay. and I remember rolling stone covering it regularly in their news notes about the biggest sorry happened they're starting to come in the studio that they're filming the video but I was always amazed that when you compare this to, you know we are the world in the lineup of artists what you are able to cool together you have world artists in here rappers, you have jazz musicians. I mean it's such a tactic mic. Organically. Come together with these people that you already knew and and kind of pulled her for. The combination because we. You know we didn't. You know it. Wasn't. Just, the biggest artist I wanted artists that had said something would work. District felt like you know. That they were that they that they were really engaged. Some some issue other. So we started with that but then you know It came out to like who had the whole number. It was. I don't. Think of going to you know managers are publicists or companies. What felt like. It was kinda underground saying in a way. You know you know we felt like managers record companies just GONNA turn down. Not going to be, artists. Career. Like down low in a funny way. So. Hungry. So I I, I had never heard Sweden nights before wasn't that make the records was it just didn't have the wouldn't fit or because it is a beautiful beautiful jazz track. Yeah. Is that was one of the great finds of this whole thing's I. I think. I just got lost at a saucer a bit by we can you know? Keep in mind now this is. Not He was sheriff. CD You know were doing see really get you know. So, so good habits limitations keep them. Off. So Might have been. Just pay. Something that. Austin. Trading. So, what is this question about this about you know this record and I guess the records you know your records from this period, the Pritam no compromise particular you know. There's a lot of social ladder social political messaging in those the those songs and. I. It makes me wonder a little bit today with how many voices are on social media talking about any number of issues in any different position. Getting harder for music politically to get that message out, you know because it's competing with so many more voices. It's a complicated question because these days it's very hard to the politics are. Different. No. I think most of what we were dealing with that. was so much behind the scenes it was like invisible. As. Till we felt really a need try and bring somebody some attention that he thinks. You know there was no other way was really. It was important to. Shed some way on on what's going on and and now and everything is just so. I mean you have a Government grant about putting kids and can't ages and kidnapping is losing a few hundred. You know you know and they and they and they try to just you know have intentionally to deter. Immigration, you know I mean. What do you think that? You're. GonNa, start talking about politics. It's. You know So. Old. Shiva going. So right. So I think that's part of the. Reason. Why you're not seeing a whole run political music coming out. Is it. Just feels redundant. Like. What are you? GonNa say? alka-seltzer. Yeah. It's it's definitely different. That you commute using your boxers maybe think about but. I thought that those DVD's particularly the to European ones from those TV. Shows were fatalities in the sound resides Risa, how great it sounded, and it reminded me of the fact that this is nothing like that left on an anywhere you can just go like CDs kind of broadcast. Somewhere here I have south side live from the Gora and seventy eight and it was on a local Cleveland TV show and I thought it was really entertaining. The sound quality was great. There's something really missing it was Those. Are Real finds. Did you did you know you had those? Actually come out you know the guy who ran the Peter who shows a very very We stayed friends all. We just lost them like last year. With the most amazing TV show history. Like seventeen countries here. From eight o'clock at night or whatever six in the morning whatever it was you know. and. Everybody anything quite like it. You know so I did it twice. So we had those you know and they filmed everything as you didn't. So you know. But tell now and Third once. From the Ritz was a Japanese broadcast, and so we caught that one south I three. Three towards. All have any gays and young now. and. They're all. Really good. I almost wish you had an accompaniment just for the audio to for it. I will I will say that when I saw by I started watching the one from the rats like how long did he keep all these clothes on I? Think how could you possibly play rag? Coat and all that stuff on He's GonNa. Have to take that thing off. At the end of the show it's like blue is at the end of the Taliban right ties off sweating. It. Was it was that was pretty pretty pretty cool. So. What is on to ask you is, is you've got some those clip with I'm really happy to have on here are some of those hungerthon tracks within been scarcer? And I was wondering how much of an influence was idiot's delight on your. Satellite Radio I. Thought it was I thought his radio show is the best one in New York. Maybe around the country I got so many music leads out of that bed show through the. More than two days you know to to grow up with. Age As had all that freedom you know. I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure with. Everybody. Of course was that. I. It's quite kinda combined, FM, and am. To will by having. This Guy Russell against. My thing is to. Kill, keep us all short. You know so. Different than the FM thing but It's it's kind of A. Play mostly fast Thanksgiving played mostly short things thing but basically. Of. FM. Ability, which was talking about the records, which will discordant fly format. I want kids to realize that this stuff of the full of trees. Kind is kind of a fast paced talk am. And Am Pace. With an Allergy. Just kind of a combination to. Yeah. It's it's a, it's a programming format very hard to find anywhere. You know I I look at it. It's it's one of the things I always wondered. You know like Paul Weller who like quite a bit to. Keep put out a couple of collections of songs. He curated that we're like lost and Klatten soul classics I always feel like there's there's you should be more of that from from from folks have just. Exposing people to music that that they hadn't heard of before and the stories behind him I think you re show does that really well? Both formats. Getting both the. Garage for any country. We're trying to do exactly that and make sure you know which. have access to the greatest. Here's if was ever mate. On Koa period you know 'cause fifties sixties. Early. Seventies. Period. And I mean it you know. Just. Using those words I mean this is. The best aren't being made. The was also the most commercial. At this year's now. If, you literally just finished I can't believe it took me this long to read it but I just finished here comes the night to book on Burns. Creek. Right, and you know it's it's really incredible when you look at how quickly carole king or Dot Poma Saudis, guys could just churn out. Like classics you know could do it in a couple of hours and the craziness of the business that was around him right that the business was. It was a little. It was a little dirty but they created these magical things and. Period of time the whole. Thing. Just the young. Would have been that you know. Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's really it's it's remarkable. It's even like in sixteen fifty Broadway was just another you know. Just just all time classics. Where a few in sixteen ninety seven as well. Yeah I. I haven't seen it now dow I'd like to see it. It's I. I am so mazed by some of the stories like the the drifters story about how dot homeless wrote last. Save the last dance for me laugh. Just unbelievable. He talked about this. The one thing that is is really incredible about this this this mix not the studio stuff but your bonus stuff. Is How few covers their actually are the fastest so much material here in this. The only a few covers included here shows how much material you actually creating yourself. Conscious. A couple couple of things. Rain and the. On diversion at that you did who told you is unbelievable. You. down. Was the. Whole album stop. Point. You know probably put out you really should. You really should that Dow is really clean and in and Ron. It just works. Audience. That was this house I giant the. Still Has a while. Yeah. We found which also. Some guy with. The? Audience. Recorded and. That's why we have that well covers. it's probably like the ultimate Compliment Reich which you You've had other people, Sing your songs and. The one that one that I was curious about is how Jackson Browne came about recording I am a patriot. Hanging out and. It was a surprise to me. It was wonderful just an honor. And a surprise and You know we were. We were we took. A couple of things together we went to Nicaragua together. At that point, I was really touches of writing political music and he was he was you know his accountable after that. No. Balance you know He. He was writing. As well, he kinda gave me credit for. Aspiring that Esau was a at that point over he he was extremely active politically. Has As many people were you know much more than me? You know talking about you know body range. Nash John Hall you know People would do things but But but they'll not that make people were writing writing about it. You know there's been a handful a handful of. Political folks who have. Open really. Hard time you know. That would be my daddy Chris. To, grow up in a tunnel everybody had to have a distinct. was like you know the world does not need a bunch of love songs. Assignments so so have. You know rationale for doing this. Insult justify my existence I became the political guy. So I write in clinical music and so Jackson really. I think he might have done. I. Don't think Voice of America I were Patriots source. And They have to have a classic legendary later like that one of your songs I mean. Took, songs. Such a surprise you know A. Very. Personal and. I never really. Picture. will be covered by anybody. Else well personal stuff. Wow Man that was that was that was just a knockout. Greatest moments in my life now? Thinking so much of means the soil ladies they would. They would do that and I was like. That's just wonderful. We his rap I'm looking at the liner notes The the for the bonus section and what I think is really cool about this is it does sort of it really just tell the Ark of Europe's your musical path from this period of time. really interesting way to kind of. because. So much of the sounds are so different from each other even from. you know songs like out of the darkness to the stuff that's on freedom compromise to which he did acoustically You wrap it up with an acoustic version of it's been a long time, which is like almost poetic. It's a really. I thought it was a really cool version of that song. With never fail. To The sum game Listen to the news. A Only. To end the. I thank you. That was actually Berkowitz's idea. He was the guy who? Put the whole thing together. Really. You know he he says he's always talked about Costa. Curtis Soli says because you know such a crazy you're arranger and producer he says people sometimes. Under the other trades erased. In production, there is actually a song. So I always get to do it whole. The whole. coast. Show them up billionaire. Okay. You know. But I. Guess he had a point you know you know. I. Get. Bored, very. quickly. I I had add before with fashionable. You know how? I like it. I get very bored. Very quickly, so you know I don't really. Know that's not my. You. Know that whole thing. I think you do it. Well, I think you guys I think that version you know of I wish it would rain is a is a cool pool version and I agree with you rusty clouds piano is just fantastic that general. The real I would say that from my perspective, the the best track and I'm probably GONNA go into this after after our call in and Cherry pick and just make up a mix of this but my favorite track. Is. Really that version. Of Revolution that stats. It's like George Clinton version of that song it is so funky and hot and. Believable. Stuff is just it's the so really interesting. Also Interesting Lake listened to the songs that that were songs you deal with the Jukes when they were you know this was during rehearsals and the song was in development and the lyrics were all there. It's It's kind of reminds me of of. The box sets on the riverine darkness with Bruce for some of the songs really took different shapes and forms from the original version is having that stuff is is You know still accessible playbills. Cool. If people you know. Idea we're cumbersome. I think people. Wonder. Process I. Thank you. So you WANNA. Get got one. Last question for you got one last question for an I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you this is golden is a cult, a collector's property D- collect you know I I heard one time somebody told me that Gary Talent and and south side have shared record collection that's among the biggest in the in the country. I don't know if that's true. But curious if you collect and if you do, you know what do you is on the lookout for? I. Really don't I'll thanking. You know. The box I didn't have my own. It's. Actually have a copy of my own work No I really I I I just don't. You know I I, version of that was. You know taking Dorsey five spectrum out of retirement put him on the first jokes album and. And me. coasters five. On the joke second album. Me Bruce worked we. Just, great. Out. That's my. That's my version of collect. I collect people. Records, and you know. A way of saying thank you to those artists for. Giving us so much. And author early pioneers man you know the only? that. Got Screwed you know. And the ironic ironic because without them you know. To hear right and. None made any money and. I. I was really surprised about I. You know I kind of intuitively knew that through time, but in reading. Burns Book Islas amazed at how little money. So these people made I mean it was it just it's just shameful. You know. You know the. Iranian the. Worst part was. You. Kane sixty four. It'll the unintended consequence was they put all the heroes at work. And on that that was the that was the worst part it wasn't. So much the. Early contracts you know all being screwed up and you know burly rest companies taking the money and all that stuff. That's that's that's a complicated issue. That's actually a separate issue. Watch importantly, the net was that they were they were their careers ended. Say you know three. Four they had to do three hit the rest of their lives. You know I mean for some reason. They just got they got cut off. You know there was no more career and. That's the only reason happen to you know every other audience. Generation grew right. WAS THEM I mean The biggest thing in. This biggest thing right now. The biggest draw live McCartney still a biggest thing in the world. As shipping. Facility those. Guys. Put out to pasture. And then you know thirties early forties. Primary lives man out tragedy you know. or The or the? You know they're really. Making money was because. It was. Put, on Yoga circuit and a really didn't get a chance to earn even as much. Money live could have you know if they had kept making it A. First generation just. Before. I got you know I wanted to. Remind people at these people are still around this. Great. You know. Your. Don't create. Grades Look at the the. NFL. Of the best albums. Man Cats eightieth. That's incredible. That says. I mean I I. The fact that these guys are still able to put out good music and be creative and do the things that they do is. is is fantastic and and hopefully there's a there's a form for them to have an audience to listen to it. But I remember when I was publisher Rolling Stone, I remember being at a when we the Waldorf after one of the Rock Hall ceremonies and talking to the surviving run that's and how thrilled they were to be there but like hearing where their lives had gone and he's just like, wow, you're you're you're. You know I like it like to your point it ended when it ended it ended and it was another way to make a living. and. Yeah. Yeah. That which Early became a housekeeper for crochet southeast. Wonderland greatest toys in the world for Kosovo. You are you GonNa, Whatever Tina Turner you can give. La Belle go to Franklin. The only allow. Housekeeper. And So, very very happy to finally. Char gratitude and make her debut album. Seventy-three. Yeah. I mean I I in the last three months of all the people that I talked to who are classic rockers and there's you know if it affects those guys to there's a lot of guys like in bands that. Meet now, they were big for awhile but they go on those tours where there get out there build with three other bands and they're playing amusement parks and whatever these guys really need that money. You know this this is they're playing the same know five six songs every night as part of ambig- shelves. And they need that money in this. This is a totally this. This pandemic is the thing that's impacting them and you you know it's a car with A. Terrible I mean. I very concerned not only about the artist but. Even more. So brought the crew, the crews fan you know the crew is out there mandate you know the the. In the sound in the right band. Truck drivers, and you know all all of the cocoon members man. Worried about you. Man I gotTa tell you the truth. Know. This. You know that's worries. Me GotTa concerning. The whole is GonNa be. Different And better. Know. So let me ask you what questioning delicate. You've been real generous with your time. You like this you know I I was saying to my wife before I got on the call I said. To him forever because he's he's like this ambassador I three rock and roll and you really you really do the things that you've done to to keep than music in front of people and keep. The legacy of vans alive is is is, is you know because without question? Is there anybody you see that sort of you know if you take picking up the torch and carrying that forward? I'll be glad to see you know that way. Going going some of the things that we we started doing you know which was. Taking, somebody you know Oda Artists and making records with. Alec Tom. Jones and. I think and Anyway he's done, he's done a civil and I hope keeps knowing it. That's really important to. Any combination holden young I did you know when? I started by record company. And you know, and I never got chance to really do it the way I wanted to was to collect autographs. who was still around the sixties what Sony Job as you know Richard God. Album. Times. It's almost like the basement tape thing that t-bone did with the Dylan Dylan verses. That was. Ideas it's it's a great one. Gal. Or still around. And not working, you know show telling me man what a great producer, the whole time you know very little thirty years you know and that's a shame. So many you know. I mean, maybe people get get down but You can't be combination of of the old wisdom. And the. You know the. So. Anytime that can happen I I certainly appreciate. I I I think that that's great. You're kill you still going at it and doing all this great for rock and roll history for music and You know to keeps rock and roll back in the forefront, and yet I the idea that you know that that people here in the rascals again because you is is is terrific and in in, it's a really important thing i. Really Thank you, sleep. Well thank you for this box set. This is really Been Been. Spinning. Quite a bit lately the the the New Guard Jerry Garcia Band record that had your your friend Clarence clements on I never knew that he had ever played with the band. He just he adds that King Curtis Sound to the music that's just unbelievable I didn't play and it not stop and think driving everybody here crew. which how? So they just came out last month with a concert from nineteen, eighty, nine where clarence. Played with the Jerry Garcia band. Again China. Dynamite it's like having King Curtis play with Jerry it's fantastic. I think I think I pushed the boundaries with the family here on that record somebody would use that. Money for a while you got it Steve Sampson, well, stay healthy and. Again. Take. Ob enjoyed that episode of the Gold Mine Podcasts is Pat Prints Editor and Chief of Goldmine magazine. Please go to my Mac dot com for exclusive content. And all your news about collecting and percentage off subscription price. Also go to book some in Barnes and noble to pick up the newest issue of Goldline. We'll see next time on the gold mine podcast. Hi Their pop is greetings from rocks back pages in swinging London town brought to you by the Pantheon podcast network. As Bob Dylan sang we were so much older than way younger than that now cannot possibly be true. 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How Britain Invented, Then Ignored, Blitzkrieg

Cautionary Tales

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How Britain Invented, Then Ignored, Blitzkrieg

"There's another podcast. We think you'll enjoy. Ted Talks daily every weekday. You'll hear new ideas on every topic imaginable. Recent talks include entrepreneur and security expert Bright Simons on the innovative solutions Africans using to deal with counterfeit goods off ooh writer and historian Edward Tenor on. How our obsession with efficiency can actually make us less efficient plus a lot more including adding water to talks by me subscribed to Ted talks daily? Where have you listened as the night draws in and the fire blazes on behalf? We warn the children by telling them stories. The hobbit teaches them not to leave the path but my stories for the education of the grownups and my nice stories are all true on Tim. Harford Gavin close and listen to my cautionary tales So August nineteen sixteen gene the western front in the first world war the opposing armies had dug into entrenched positions stretching five hundred miles across France rounds and Belgium from the mountains to the sea barbed wire and machine guns meant that it was all but impossible for either side to advance the Noble Cavalry Long. The most celebrated force in the army were utterly useless. It was a murderous stalemate but a few miles behind the allied lines. Hundreds of people both civilians and British and French army officers that brought picnics. And we're waiting patiently for a demonstration of remarkable invention. It was a pleasantly warm day and a quiet spot if you tuned even down to the artillery of the Psalm battlefield thundering away beyond the horizon. Then another noise began to cut across that distant rumbling the Chug of a powerful engine the relentless metallic clattering of Caterpillar tracks carrying twenty eight tons of cannon not in an armor plating to walking pace. Everyone was talking and chatting. When slowly came into sight the first tank I ever saw not a monster but very graceful machine with beautiful designs lozenge shaped but with two clumsy-looking wheels behind it? That's major J F C fuller. He's the central figure in our story. He's thirty seven a small man with a neatly trimmed moustache moustache his hairline retreating over his crown and beginning to March down the back of his head he could pass for Buckler in a costume drama but beneath eighth the surface of J F C fuller is an inner radicalism. Not long ago. He'd been friends with the notorious occultist alister alice to Crowley Crowley called himself a wizard. One newspaper called him the wickedest man in the world cavorting with self proclaimed blamed warlocks is not the typical social pastime of a British army officer. But as we'll see that isn't even the strangest thing about the life On the fate of Jesse Fuller Fuller sees instantly that this new machine. The tank tank is the solution to the basic tactical problem of the war but how to cross mark and trenches and barbed wire against a storm of bullets. Nothing else has worked not even the novel atrocity of poison gas but the tank will do the job and J F C. The fuller can see that with absolute clarity. The tank is the unknown in the equation of victory. All that is necessary is to get the people to see the problem but getting other people to see the problem was well. Perhaps that was the problem. You're listening nick. To another cautionary tale. The British officer class simply adored and more traditional way of waging war one involving stirrups Jason swords and big beautiful horses. Here's one general explaining what he regarded as the obvious disadvantage of the tank. Look into the face ace of individuals who deal with the holes and the faces of the men who deal with the machine. You will see in the letter what I might almost call a lack of intelligence elegance. You keep up the high standard of intelligence in the man from his association with the Horse. If major fuller was going to to persuade the British army to embrace the tank it would be a long struggle. At least he managed to get himself in the right place. He applied to transfer to the newly-formed formed tank corps. When he got there he was given a blank sheet of paper and ordered to think through what might be done with these new fangled machines that that was the easy bit fuller soon? Formed a clear strategic vision for tank warfare. He proposed that tanks could attack the German armies brain the string of German headquarters miles behind the front line. New Fast tanks were being designed they could roll across the trenches and be on on the German command posts in our full as attack would come from nowhere as support would disrupt German road and rail travel bad news. Confuses confusion stimulates panic. His idea was dubbed plan. Nineteen nineteen by striking suddenly at the German Command Plan. Nineteen nineteen would cause the German army to disintegrate. It would be the winning of the war in a single battle thing but the war ended. Anyway before fuller's astonishing idea could be tested it. It became the most famous unused plan in military history. According to his biographer. Brian Holden read. But it's not entirely true to say that it was unused. It was used to great effect. Twenty years later by the Germans in a lightning war occupying much much of Europe in a matter of weeks. J F C Fuller had invented blitzkrieg and the British army had wasted his idea tin. If the spirit of this story feels faintly familiar there's a reason echoes of it have been repeated again I and again since the British army stuffed fullest plans for Blitzkrieg into a desk drawer in nineteen seventy the photocopying giant Xerox folks established the Palo Alto Research Center or Park Xerox Parc then developed the modern personal computer an achievement which Bill Gates Gates of Microsoft and Steve Jobs of apple observed with great interest Xerox still makes photocopiers in one thousand nine hundred seventy five a twenty four year old engineer named Steve Sampson built the world's first digital camera the invention that was to destroy three Eastman Kodak the photography giant. What strange is Steve? Sassan was working for Kodak in Nineteen Ninety Nine. Sony launched one of the world's first digital music players the memory stick Walkman. Sony was armed with the iconic Walkman. c'mon brand the world's best digital engineers and Sony Music Stars from Bob Dylan to celine. Dion Ole succeeded in doing was paving being the way for apple's ipod and back in nineteen eighteen the British at the best tanks in the world a clear vision of how to use them and in fuller one of the world's best military strategists yet by the late nineteen thirties. The British had conceded technical Cole and tactical superiority to Adolf Hitler's new army. When this sort of thing happens so often you have to ask yourself? If it's really a coincidence. The tank the personal computer digital camera the ipod. Why do some ideas at slip out of the grasp of incumbents then thrive in the hands of up stocks J F C fuller once began an essay with an aphorism about pressing ahead when you're in a leading position race whole sees? Don't pull up the winning post. Perhaps that's true but organizations do pull up at the winning post within touching distance of victory. They slow down and allow others to overtake them. For a glimpse of what fuller was up against. Consider the battle of Cambrai by late in one thousand nine hundred seventeen. The British army had finally decided crowded on by fuller to US four hundred tanks to lumber across German lines. The tanks could only reach a top speed of four miles per hour but that was fast enough they swept aside the barbed wire shrugged off the machine gunfire and bridged the chairman trenches. Amish gene guns fired incessantly and guys don't connect fires added but he Z.. Must admit all our efforts to stop tanks ineffective. They can't do nothing against him without exaggeration. Some of the German infantry it seemed to be off their heads with fright it was impossible to obtain any care idea of the situation. There was no chain of command and no orders. mm-hmm it was a stunning tactical success. But the success was squandered. The British High Command decided that the gap that the tanks had opened. It should be exploited. I cavalry a great deal of clattering galloping and shouting and a lot of our medieval hall. Soldiers came charging charging down the street. The Germans eventually regrouped and drove back the British assault the opportunity was wasted and not just the the tactical opportunity of that day at Cambrai but the strategic opportunity to reshape warfare itself some of the infantry. Who'd been there understood what it's so nearly achieved? Some of US had lost faith in the tanks but we would be in their new that one tank at the right time at the right I place could have avoided the slaughter of two or three hundred men on that dump chilly morning fuller understood to before the gunsmoke could cleared did he was scribbling away furiously his desk tank Corps headquarters sketching out what had been discovered. And what should be done next. Those scribblings would over the following months become plan. Nineteen nineteen thousand. He understood that the success at Cambrai was just a glimpse temps of what might be possible. The British High Command did not there several explanations for these missed opportunities entities. But most of us don't get past the first and most obvious people edits Lau can get back to some veal soldiering so remarked one senior officer to fuller at the end of the first world war as though defending Britain in an existential struggle had been a frivolous distraction hyphen from tending to noble horses. Bright Buckles and shiny boots a year after the war had ended fuller's essay the one that begins with reference to racehorses won the gold medal from a prestigious think-tank the Royal United Services Institute. A general burst into his office. Whatever you dumb next year? He wrote another strategically visionary. SL This time overturning. The ideas of naval warfare and and he won a second gold medal. It is rather amusing as a soldier having beaten the sailor at his own job. I'll those were not amused first. The top brass complained fuller never received his second gold medal and was forbidden from publishing his second essay. The army also blocked publication occasion of fullest books for several years. They were regarded as annoying and insubordinate. The most brilliant ideas from the most brilliant strategist was seen as less an opportunity and is a threat. The top man in the British Army Field Marshals Archibald Montgomerie massing bird. They didn't read Fuller's most celebrated book. It would only annoy me. He responded to the threat of Nazi militarization by increasing the amount spent on. Hey and other food for horses. By a factor of ten cavalry officers would be provided with a second horse tank. Officers would get a horse to as I say people idiots and it's not just the British army who seem guilty of idiocy. When Steve Job visited Xerox Parc in Nineteen seventy-nine? He couldn't contain himself when he saw a windows and mouse interface for the first time. Why aren't you doing doing anything with this? This is the greatest thing this is revolutionary. If jobs had been teleported into the British war office between the wars he might well have said the same the thing but there is something about the idiot theory. That feels too glib considered Xerox Park. How is it does it? co-operation could be smart enough to establish such a superb research center but then fail to take advantage was Kodak really run by idiots idiots in the nineteen seventies was Sony in the nineteen nineties now. These organizations stumbled for a reason management theorists have a word for the phenomenon they call it disruption by disruption they referred for to an innovation that changes the world in such a way that if successful organisations keep on doing what made them successful that shorter fail. But why don't organizations adapt after all they usually have the resources the experience and the reputation to outpace any upstarts. It's Kodak did so Xerox. So did Sony and so did the British army but for some reason they get stuck more losses more. Hey We've already explored the idiot hypothesis but there is a different theory of what goes wrong. Hits a famous theory. Too in management management circles it comes from Clayton Christianson of Harvard Business School more than twenty years ago. Christianson published the innovators dilemma. It told a compelling story about how new technologies creep up from below. These technologies are flawed or underdeveloped. At I said they don't appeal failed to existing customers but they find niches and slowly. They improve while the incumbents and looking elsewhere and one day the new technology elegy is good enough to destroy the business of the old giants Christianson disruption theory is an elegant one but there are plenty of examples that just don't fit think about why Xerox didn't exploit that cutting edge research at Xerox PARC. Not because the mouse and the graphic user interface low end competitor to the photocopier. They owned from a different universe. The IPOD didn't sneak up on Sony from below and Kodak not totally developed the digital camera and made a good income from the digital camera patents. These organizations weren't slow to see the change coming. They often saw earlier. Elliot than anyone else. What lay ahead yet? They were unable to put together the right response so it was a century ago with a tank thank nobody could seriously call tank a low end competitor to the horse and nobody could claim that the British army hadn't noticed the tank. Thank the British. 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A young economist named Rebecca Henderson published an article that presented a different view of why. It's hard to do new things in old organizations. The relevant word is the boring organizations. What Rebecca Henderson pointed out was that those organizations don't stumble because a new technology is radical they stumble if it requires well a different type of organization nation? No matter how brilliant and how new an innovation is if it slips snugly into the organizational chart that already exists the dominant organization of yesterday has a good chance of being the dominant organization of tomorrow. Let me give you an example. IBM The giant of old fashioned mainframe corporate computing. IBM Mrs Survivor. It was top dog from the age of the punch card machine all the way through to the nineteen eighties. Everything changed in computing over those decades. Everything except the fact that IBM was in charge. This was because the organizational challenge of making and selling a room sized mainframe computer to a bank in the nineteen. Seventies wasn't very different from the organizational challenge of making and selling a room sized mechanical tabulating machine to a bank in the nineteen thirties But then computers crossed a threshold. They became small enough cheap enough that that'd be bought by small businesses and hobbyists and even parents now. IBM faced a very different challenge. They had a corporate army ready to negotiate. multi-million dollar contracts with multinational procurement departments. What were they supposed to do when a computer became a household appliance something more like a blender IBM Did create a strong business in personal computers. But that business was openly aggravating the rest of the organization bypassing IBM's distribution division and cutting IBM's components division out of the loop in the end IBM's internal politics asserted itself and the personal computer. Division was sold off. It just didn't fit what had flummoxed. IBM was not the pace of technological. Change it had been dealing with technological change just fine for more than half a century. IBM's problem was that that it's old organizational structures and systems had become a liability not an advantage. Rebecca Henderson calls this sort. AWW technological change an architectural innovation and an architectural innovation too MOMS and new organizational structure which means is that old organizations face an uphill struggle. Those organizations may have changed the world that when they're forced to change themselves. That's a harder challenge before the first World War. r-miss had been organized for centuries around Cavalry Cavalry and infantry the mounted troops offered mobility the foot soldiers strength in numbers and the ability to dig in defensively hm three new technologies artillery barbed wire and the machine gun shaped the battlefield of the First World War. They changed everything getting everything that is except the way armies were organized and that was because the army's didn't need change barbed wire eh machine guns were used to reinforce infantry positions the big gums the artillery could support either cavalry or infantry from a distance. It's the old hierarchies were preserved but then the tanks clanked slowly interview and the tanks were different in some ways they were like cavalry because their strength lay partly in their ability to move quickly in other ways they fitted with the infantry fighting fighting alongside footsoldiers or perhaps tanks were a new kind of military capability entirely. This isn't some weird philosophical argument documents like whether a tomatoes vegetable or fruit. It's very practical. I spoke to a modern day. General about this. He told me that the tank problem has happened and again and again after the tank it was the helicopter. Was it a kind of plane. Should it be run by the Air Force is more of a navy thing or is its role to support pulled tanks. Now the same sort of question is a rising about drones. These seem like silly questions but they aren't. They're fundamental the mental from the tank to the helicopter to the drone. Someone in the organization actually needs to own the new technology otherwise it will fail so where to put the tank tank warfare has been grafted onto to assist them. It is intended to destroy one possibility. Was that because the tank offered new capabilities. It should be in a new kind of unit. Infantry we're become I a subsidiary and later a useless on all ground over which tanks can move. The army of the last war was parts. It's buried and be brained that was J.. AFC Fuller's view. You can just imagine the reception. He got for that. The problem with setting up new specialized tank units was that those units would be seen as a grab for power and resources within the army and you tank regiment would would have no allies and no historical tradition. So an alternative was to place the tanks with cavalry regiments as the modern mobile oil strikeforce. That made some sense to and eventually tanks did end up in the old cavalry regiments but the cavalry whenever really organized around around the concept of mobility they were organized around Horses Cavalry Officer Loved His horse. His regiment was devoted to feeding and in caring for the horses. Why should he welcomed the usurper tank? It's easy to laugh at these hidebound officers with their shiny buttons in their big moustaches rejecting the tank in favor of their beloved horses. But the more you examine the difficulty of embracing architectural innovation. The more the problem looks like something really fundamental Xerox Parc developed or assembled most of the features which is a user friendly personal computer but Xerox didn't have the organizational architecture to manufacture and market such a computer xerox. Folks did much better when park develop the laser printer. The laser printer was off tillery or the machine gun for Xerox. It was an exciting new technology but it wasn't a challenge to the organization's architecture. The personal computer was like tank. One challenge could easily be met. The author Autho was in Simone Table The politics politics of change and never easy. Since an architectural innovation requires a painful organizational. Overhaul it's a task that needs skillful. Skillful Diplomacy J F C fuller was no diplomat. He'd been annoying senior officers. Since before the tank existed for example at the start of the Great War British general had been concerned that if the Germans invaded British counter attacks would be hampered by all the sheep on the roads of rural England and he told major fuller to sort it out some signs stating she must not use this road sir. What the less? Well educated sheep are unable to read them fully was just a little too fond of his own cleverness remember it was fuller who had clearly clearly sketched out a vision for using tanks for lightning attacks on the enemy's command structure it was fuller who had worn a pair of gold medals for his strategic essays but his prize. Winning writing was also dotted with spiky critiques of the Army's commanders. Once he testified in front of a committee of senior officers how many hours a day can attack rum. Thus far we have never exceeded twenty four for fuller. This was part of the game. He reflected I knew I should create enemies yet without a sturdy opposition it is most difficult to explode deep-rooted absurdities in other words full of thought that the best way to argue the stupid person was to tell him to his face that he was stupid. The not sure he was quite right liked about that. People could see that fuller was smart creative perhaps even brilliant but nobody had a higher opinion of him that he did of himself. And let's be honest fuller. Could be pretty weird. I told you hit being disciple of the country's most infamous magician Shen Alistair Crowley Crowley was into dark rituals and sex magic. He was such a cult figure that his image later ended up on the cover of the the Beatles. Sergeant pepper album after a while he and fuller fell out. But you can still hear. Echoes of the strange spiritualist beliefs in full as arguments. Even when he was lecturing informal settings about the warfare of the future I saw a fleet operating against a fleet not see but on land cruisers and battleships and destroyers. My astral form follows one side and and I noticed that it is in difficulty it cannot see there appears an aeroplane and gives it site. Hello my astral form. What's he talking about yet? Despite the Hocus pocus fuller was handed a unique opportunity to advance the cause of tanks in the British army he was appointed commander of a new experimental mechanized force. It's in December nineteen twenty six. There was just one problem. He would have to step away from his single-minded minded focus on the tank and also take command of an infantry brigade and a garrison that would mean taking responsibility for managing in people as well as creating ideas in short fuller would have to get into the organizational headaches that surround any architectural innovation. He walked and wrote to the head of the army demanding that these other duties be carried out by someone else so that he could focus on developing tactics for mechanized warfare. Eventually Fuller threatened to resign. The position was awarded to someone someone else. Fullest career never recovered architectural. Innovations can seem too much like hard work even even for those most committed to seeing them succeed and as we'll see fuller's petulance was to cost him and the British army Dearly this has in a story about how J F C Fuller failed to persuade the British army to reorganize itself around the tank. Full as part in it will soon be coming to a painful end but there is another side to this tragic tale. A story of how other organizations seemed to find it so easy to take and use these ideas the personal computer the memory stick Walkman digital camera and of course the tank and the idea of blitzkrieg. It's Creagh if the inventors of these ideas Xerox Sony. Kodak found it so hard to use them. Why did their rivals Seemed to find it so easy. The answer is that it sometimes easier to build an organization from the ground up then to disassemble and reassemble reassemble. What's already there? The treaty signed after the First World War all but abolished the German army. It was scarcely more than in a collection of offices ahead without a body and tanks. Were strictly forbidden. The British army had been victorious. And it's it's hard to reorganize victorious organization. The Germans had no organization to get in the way no status quo to defend German officers. Paid close attention to what fuller and his fellow tank enthusiasts were writing they also closely watched British experiments armaments with the tank. When Adolf Hitler came to power in Nineteen thirty-three and dramatically expanded the German army secretly? At first I he encountered a German military. That had been preparing for tank warfare for forty years early in one thousand nine hundred thirty nine. Hitler celebrated his Fiftieth Birthday with a parade of Germany's newly reconstructed army through the streets of Berlin. One Englishman was there to see the three hours a completely mechanized and motorized armie roared past the fear. Yes J F C Fuller. was there. Indeed he was guest of honour. At Hitler's Hitler's birthday celebrations after quitting the British army and bitterness and frustration hit turned to fascism supporting authoritarian. Tehran antisemitic parties both in Britain and overseas and of course he felt that there was worn army that had really understood and embraced his ideas. That of Adolf Hitler after the Parade Major General Role Fuller met Hitler himself in a receiving line at the chancellery. The fuhrer grasped fuller's hand offer offer Salvadoran Mitt. AIDEN kinser Faden. I hope you're pleased with your children. Your Excellency they have grown up so quickly clear that I no longer recognize them in one thousand nine hundred seventeen. Fila had been planning the defeat of the German army in nineteen thirty nine and he was schmoozing with Adolf Hitler himself. It's an awful little detail of history. O on that piece of flattery that fuller fuller didn't recognize the tanks anymore wasn't really true. Was it had been describing. The war of the future for two decades and the war of the future was about to arrive thirteen months later. On Adolf Hitler's orders German tanks rolled through Belgium Poland and France. A French pilot called salt. Exupery flew over the battlefield. If you recognize the name then yes it's the same guy who wrote the little prince sounds exupery. Describe what happened to the French. And British armies czyz armored lados bling repairable consequences is territory. They have blitzed and knocked me. Miss Tila pugh intact but it does seem used to be a nominee who will once it was an organism nauseous Muliro quantity of disconnected sales. COMPARE THAT IT TO J F C Fuller explanation without an active and directive brain. An army is reduced to a mob. Germany defeated France Belgium and the Netherlands and just forty six days sending their batted said British allies scrambling back across the English Channel. Blitzkrieg had worked exactly as fuller had described. His superiors may not have wanted to listen Jay. AFC Fuller's earth that brilliant bitter strange little man had seen. It's all coming. You've been listening to incautiously tails and if you want to know more about what I think about. New Technologies have written an entire book fifty inventions that shaped the modern economy. You might like it. Cautionary Tales is written and presented by me. Tim Harford our producers are Ryan Deli and Marilyn rust the sound designer and mixer was Pasqua wise who also composed the amazing music. Starring in. This season are Allen Coming Archie. penjab Toby Stevens and Russell Tovey alongside Enzo Chile at Gahan. Melanie Gutteridge Messiah Monroe and Rufus right and introducing Malcolm blackmail. Thanks to the team at Pushkin Industries Julia Baton Heather Fain Meal Abell Camilleri Jacob Weisberg and of course the mighty Malcolm Dodwell. Thanks to my colleagues at the Financial Times

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When the bottom line isnt everything

Marketplace with Kai Ryssdal

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When the bottom line isnt everything

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It's possible the proof very much lies in the pudding year but it's possible possible the decades from now economic historians are going to look back and say that day right there the nineteenth of august of nineteen. That's when it changed inched. It's a long shot but it could be because today a business lobbying group called the business roundtable published what amounts to an update of its definition of and this is a quote the purpose of a corporation no longer is maximizing shareholder value the prime corporate directive from now on at least one hundred and eighty one members of of the round table say in addition to shareholders companies have to take into account how their decisions are going to affect employees suppliers customers and communities margaret blair's an economist who teaches teaches at vanderbilt law school professor blair welcome to the program glad to be here <hes>. I think it's i i suppose were you surprised by this today a little bit <hes> it does seem to me that it's an interesting development indicating that there are certain people who are worried about the direction that capitalism has been going for the last ten or fifteen years or twenty years and perhaps also there's handwriting on the wall here. It's become an issue in the campaign. This economy as we all know is changing <hes> and and <hes> i guess just one does wonder where they've been. They're just now catching up. I think that's right. The leading voices from the business community have been from the institutional investors stors who have started to speak up and say wait a minute. We're in this for the long run so we need you to still be in business that far out. We need to be paying attention to these long run issues. How are we gonna know if and this is remarkably cynical and i apologize in advance but how are we gonna know if business roundtable people in all these one hundred eighty signatories really mean it. What should we look for a good good question. One of the big problems is how to measure what they do and i think one reason that the focus became about thirty years ago on share value is it's very easy to measure <hes> whereas a lot of the other ways that we have of measuring things are subject to manipulation are subject to miss measurement <hes> and so we have to come up. We have to be very creating about coming up with ways of measuring things like sustainability things. How are you taking care of your employees. Sorts of things has to be said that some of the companies on this list not a few of them. Anyway are saying one thing today but have very recently been doing other buying back stocks and paying their c._e._o.'s many multiples bowls of what average employee make i mean there's a little bit of <hes> cognitive dissonance here they would love to. Have you believe that they're doing the things that they claim that they're doing but i think the fact that they're talking about. It is different that isn't that is changed. They've been they've been denying their responsibility for these other sorts of goals for or social and environmental goals in the past and they're starting to at least now speak up and say the right words swell so that gets to sort of the existential question. Is this a okay and this is really grand but is this a rethinking of capitalism in america <hes> well. I don't think so because i think it's the way capitalism was throughout the forties the fifties and the sixties and into the seventies it was it was around eighty eight or eighty nine that their tongue changed and they started advocating shareholder primacy to that point mean about shareholder value being easy to measure <hes>. Are there things you would be looking forward to say. You know what they actually meant it this time. They're actually changing to more of bob. Stakeholder value model that the fact that corporations have been shedding employees. They don't want to be responsible for the benefits. They wanna have just in workforce that they can call in when they need them and not have to pay them when they don't need them. I'll believe it when i start to see some significant changes in those trends margaret blair <hes>. Is it the vanderbilt university law school. She is an economist there as it happens doug blair. Thanks for your time ma'am. I appreciate if and again it's not not small if but if this all happens it's going to mean some changes for those shareholders who used to be first among equals marketplace's tracey samuelson reports on how they might react well. It depends on the time line of the investor how short or long it is says dennis kelleher c._e._o. Of the nonprofit better markets maximizing shareholder value is not inconsistent and incompatible with maximizing stakeholder value typically. It relates to the time horizon that you achieve those values investors who are looking to make a quick buck today this week this quarter. They're the ones who might not be so jazzed about this room for all better together. Philosophy mike you seem that professor at the university of pennsylvania's wharton school of business points to the example of c._v._s. decision back in two thousand fourteen to stop selling tobacco in its stores researchers calculated that that decision took about a dollar off its share price short-term investors are gonna thank companies that do that are going to be less lucrative bliss. Valuable us will disinvest. You seem says many companies already try and market themselves to longer term investors companies like the massive investment firm blackrock it's c._e._o. Larry fink one of the world's most influential investors has been advocating for companies to contribute to society greg miller professor of accounting at the university of michigan's. She gins ross school of business. Says long-term investors likely already understand that spending a little more now or sacrificing bit of revenue may pay off in the longer term. That's what we all want life right. Somebody who's gonna understand us so when something strange happens it really short term that investor can understand that and understand. It's not a big deal. Miller says the new guidelines will mean tough choices for managers figuring out how to balance stakeholder interests pat put these new beliefs into practice won't be easy. I'm tracey samuelson for marketplace marketplace on wall street today. You know it's funny middle last week. The recession was starting like post-haste right today. What me worry. We'll have the details when we do the numbers breath. Hello there is a little bit more to say about this business roundtable thing because conceivably really it's a big deal. We talked about what it's going to be for. Corporations of the top with professor blair tracy did the piece about shareholders but what about stakeholders you and me and everybody whose lives cbs those companies effects we went out and asked around here in downtown los angeles. I think it's great. I think that ultimately that you want invest in the people you want to invest in america. I mean that that sounds like it would be better for obviously like the customers. Those should be doing that all along not changing anything so if this move away from just shareholder value turns out to actually stick what might that look like excellent retirements bonuses. I think help more minorities. I would love to see these companies actually investing in infrastructure and other things that was ali dots. Who's at lopez georgia. Tim kenya john and phil clink on given some of their time today here in downtown los angeles way in yourself. Would you hit us up on twitter. Let us know what you think about corporations in civic responsibility. The show is is that marketplace. I'm at kai ryssdal spelled just like it sounds. There aren't a whole lot of restaurants left that don't take credit cards if you wind up in a bind there's probably a._t._m. Nearby some all cash businesses actually have one right right on the premises but what happens when things work the other way you find yourself at a restaurant that only takes plastic. That's becoming more of a possibility as more eateries flip. The script upped and yo- cashless from k._c._r._w. In los angeles benjamin golly report. I'm standing right outside of coney restaurant in los angeles. It's a cafe fe right by dodgers stadium. They sell japanese style sandwiches tea and coffee in a small dining room as long as you don't pay cash. Most hosted boils down to the space constraints and issues with the cost of using cash. Nick montgomery is one of the chef owners here the cost of using cash. I thought cash it'll be good for restaurants after all. There are no credit card fees but actually there's a cost that goes along with taking cash to montgomery explains ends one of them. Literally decreases labor costs to not take cash is about five thousand dollars a year for a restaurant. This is just to count. Don't cash every day and take it to the vein going to be as also saving thousands on liability insurance. He says if you take cash it stands to reason that there's more to steal. Should you be robbed and that's what motivated steve sampson superfine pizza in downtown l._a. To cash free to we really wanted to provide hi to safe working environment for them. Unfortunately restaurants especially cash only restaurants food trucks and the like are have been targeted by. I <hes> criminals in the past in los angeles cashless restaurants. Don't just take credit cards some take virtual payment options to such as apple pay pay pal and google pay so there is a trend that's happening. Shelly santana teaches business administration at the harvard business school. She's been keeping an eye on this more. More businesses are looking at what their particular mix of payment is within their customer base and making a decision that they're going to go cashless and not accept cash at aw. It's a model that works for a lot of customers. I love it because i hate cash. I hate carrying cash. Why gallison hamlin a customer at colby. I think i feel like his restaurant and the way that it's a liability and i don't want it on me so i really appreciate them just aligning with my preferred way to pay and restaurants toronto the l. a. area are beginning to listen to customers like her not just independently-owned the fresh casual chain tender greens when cashless last year throughout in southern california but not everyone has a bank account or access to credit cards and there are many reasons some are homeless or low income others are undocumented that immigrants and that bothers romance as he waits for a slice of pizza at superfine. Yes i think it is a problem. It does exclude a a group of people and that is where some cities have stepped in to look at this cashless. Trent philadelphia became the first major city to pass a ban on cash free businesses earlier this year and san francisco's ban goes into effect later. This fall valley brown's sits on the san francisco board of supervisors. She led the efforts to ban cash ash-free businesses there when i started really looking into it i was like this doesn't seem fair. It's it's discrimination and it's not equitable. Brown says she would like to see the other cities in california. Follow san francisco's lead like los angeles but as it stands now there is no official city policy here about cashless cashless businesses in los angeles. I'm benjamin gottlieb for marketplace coming up the town being poisoned by chemicals jobs going away of corruption lack of opportunity to very different views news of a pennsylvania coal towns straight ahead but first. Let's do the numbers pretty much picked up where they left off friday. Traders did down bustros up two hundred and forty nine points nine tenths percent twenty six thousand one thirty. Five nasdaq picked up one hundred six points. That's one point three percent of eight thousand two s and p five hundred climbed thirty four or points one point two percent twenty nine twenty three it was a beautiful day for estee lauder cosmetics maker projected revenues and profits would beat wall street expectations shares closed up twelve and and a half percent trump administration announced today. It's gonna let fall away. Keep buying products for american companies for another ninety days that give boost u._s. Chipmakers invidia and things up seven percent percent micron technologies three three tenths intel up percent and a half bond prices fell yield on the ten year treasury note rose to one point six zero percent. You're listening between marketplace. 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Doctors are a big part of any high level athletic athletic organization pros and college even high school doctors and the training staff key players plan and to help them recover when they get hurt one place where that hasn't really benefactor though till now anyway competitive e. sports turns out professional video gamers get hurt too from w._a._b._c. in atlanta. Sam whitehead has that one five guys in their early twenties wearing matching jerseys and headsets cigarroa computers staring hard at their screens hands a blazing. These are professional athletes in the world of e sports. They say their employer. A company called obey alliance pays them a base salary of thirty thousand dollars a year hear some earn a lot more from sponsorships and they've made it to the big leagues acclaimed game called slight complete with play by play commentary. I believe early. Minerals specifically heavily need magical defense by one invests. The pasturelands could even be bored of hope. I wouldn't even be surprised to see talisman energy in it. Two teams of mythological creatures face off in magical combat. James heseltine plays this game for a living. He says it can be mentally and physically challenging to compete at the professional level. It is draining games can go for sixty minutes. It's terrible it goes along and every now and then dan playing leaves him with a sore neck with anything that's done in excess. You're seeing overuse injuries. A lot of wrist injuries a lot of back on neck injuries joanne donahue in the center for east sports medicine at the new york institute of technology. She says gamers can get really hurt. A lot of them are even aware that these are side effects of what they're doing. It just kinda comes with the territory for them. Donahue says healthcare professionals need to start paying attention to e athletes pro gaming grows and it's colleges and high schools around the country start their own e. sports programs. We're going to have to develop new guidelines for this area of of competitive gaming and i think it's actually going to be a booming field people in sports that <hes> you know start to take notice. Some people are starting to pay attention such as dr founder right chief of sports medicine at northside hospital in atlanta. She's donated time in a partnership with local sports. Company skill shot to give gamers more more access to medical care. This is all part of treating this newest group of professional athletes like we've always treated traditional athletes. The inner team are getting a chance to do early research on these athletes. She's trying to figure out what hours of intense gaming does to the human body skill shot on is like a traditional sports league it hosts matches that pit independently owned teams against each other on a recent saturday gamer james heseltine and others gathered for basic physicals that included range of motion exercises man division test l. a. f. g. g._t. Right it will also build custom workout plans for the players in the skill shot league to help them head off common injuries tendon issues posture issues low back pain and what we're trying to do is not only predict those injuries but prevent them and what's good for gamers is good for e. Sports according to todd harris who runs skill shot thinking about overall player welfare is an important goal for us since really. They're the most important entity in the whole ecosystem. It's all about them. <hes> new which tracks the sports industry says its audience could top four hundred fifty million viewers this year and its revenues could exceed one billion dollars for gamers james heseltine playing professionally still doesn't really feel like work. No i just feel like i'm hanging out with friends playing games which is a while. I've been doing since a kid look. I can do it for a while. Heseltine says if taking better care of his physical health can help him have a longer east sports career. He's game in in atlanta. I'm sam whitehead for marketplace. One of the realities of economic life in this country is is that opportunity isn't evenly distributed. Some places got some places. Don't and one of the places that mostly doesn't anymore is coal country where the economic mcandrew has or is in the process of disappearing the on the ground reality in the cities and towns that relied on coal for generations though is complicated and it's complicated on a whole lot of levels jennifer. Silva is an assistant professor of sociology at indiana university. She spent a couple of years in pennsylvania coal town right before the two thousand sixteen gene election and she wrote up her findings in a book called. We're still here pain and politics in the heart of america. Thanks for coming on. Thank you for having me you say somewhere. We're in this book. <hes> that and i think according friend of yours or something <hes> ethnographers you really don't know whether looking for until they're basically out in the field looking looking <hes> and i guess i wonder then what were you looking for. When you set out to do this work and what did you find. That's a that's a great quote from kristin luker book about vote methods and i think i went into this project imagining. I was going to write a book about white working class. Conservatives trump voters voters in a way. I i did find that story but that really wasn't the main story that i found instead. I was in small town pennsylvania and it there's a place where there was a lot of racial and ethnic flux so instead of white residents who had been left behind they were black and latino newcomers coming into town town. There were actually a lot of people who didn't vote at all who felt completely alienated and skeptical of politics and who are actually radically critical of social and economic inequality so so. Let's talk about <hes> <hes> well. Let's set the scene. I guess right so first of all. It's all pseudonyms in this book you give the town a pseudonym <hes> you're in coal country pennsylvania <hes> and i want i want you to tell me not about the the white descendants of coal miners that you found there but the people of color who went to this economically economically depressed part of the country but looking for i guess an economic second chance right that was fascinating so i started off interviewing white people in town and they kept warning me about these newcomers who were destroying the social fabric of the coal region and i thought oh this is very interesting. I wonder if i can go meet some of these newcomers newcomers and so slowly. I was actually able to start interviewing these mostly young black and latino people who were coming from cities they described as dangerous and these people would say you know i grew up in a housing project. I couldn't you know play outside. There's a lot of violence. It's you know one person said i couldn't outrun the trouble of the streets in philadelphia and then moving to the coal region where you can rent a house for three hundred dollars a month month. There are some warehouse jobs factory jobs <hes> and what was so interesting was that they saw it as a place that was safe where their children could outside on the porch. They wouldn't worry about them and also were there was opportunity for example. They thought the schools were much better so that that actually plays into the thing. I found most interesting. You've got a a longish introduction or a preface in this book where you talk about two people. You've met bria white woman a local. She's been there forever and <hes> it's her boyfriend eric. <hes> who's come in from washington d._c. He's a he's a african american man <hes>. She's all kinds of down on the future of this place in in her future he on the other hand. The new arrival is is not all about the upside but he's far more optimistic. It's fascinating that there were sort of two who realities competing at the same time in this little town so the white people i spoke to told a story of america becoming a wasteland of the town be being poisoned by chemicals the jobs going away of corruption lack of opportunity and mostly being stuck a sense that everyone one who could leave had left and they were left behind and that they were no opportunities for them and then the newcomers on the other hand did tell a story of <unk> hoping resilience where they hope to achieve the american dream in this new place starting over is not gonna come as a surprise to you that this is a i. I found this to be a really depressing book because the stores that are told are are hard right. They are stories of <hes> abused their stories of <hes> poverty pretty <hes> their racism as you've said <hes> one of the things that struck me though was that <hes> <hes> <hes> people feel stuck people feel <hes> hopeless and i wonder if that i wonder why that's the case and if you agree i believe especially the the white people who have who do feel like they've been left behind after the coal jobs have gone away. I think they do feel feel hopeless. I think they for example they don't. They don't believe anyone's going to help them so one of the quotes from the book is you know i grew up poor. I'm still poor. Nothing will ever change for me. They talking about politicians. Don't make it better for rich. People make it harder for poor people and so it's a sense that the the american dream has been so corrupted by money and also like a sense of meaninglessness people kept saying america doesn't mean anything it's broken. Nothing means anything anymore and so it's like the only thing that unites the different people in my book. Is that america. It's broken and it's not working anymore more. It's a book called. We're still here pain in politics in the heart of america jennifer silverado. She's an assistant professor of sociology you at any any emerson jennifer. Thanks a lot. I appreciate your time. Thank you so much. There's a whole lot more in that book to chew on. We put an excerpt of it online at marketplace that uh this his final note on the way out today in which jen's e says we wait. We get devoted to you know the learning services company checked did a survey of college students for for your into your eighty percent of them said they're gonna vote in twenty twenty. Yes saying you're gonna vote voting but actual student voter turnout in two thousand sixteen just a bit more than forty eight percent the biggest student voter issue according to the survey student debt <music> i do. 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20191226 LIVE bibles Romans10 Acts20 NewCreature Annointing Antichrist Mypast

Jesus is the Christ

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20191226 LIVE bibles Romans10 Acts20 NewCreature Annointing Antichrist Mypast

"Okay so I'm I'm here talking again and I've been thinking about something and that's something. Is that that long term friend abounded name when I got saved in. When was that actually think it was around two thousand ten? Maybe even two thousand. Yeah I think it was two thousand ten two thousand eleven there. That was a time when I started to name the name of the Lord. Jesus Christ and I use the Little Red Gabriel deal night new testament and I was making videos on Youtube here naming the name of the Lord. Jesus Christ but I went wrong wrong with a lot of things. I did a lot of things wrong in the beginning not will save. I I I didn't made your mistakes major things wrong and chastised. I believe in such a way that give me an understanding of the importance voters trusting the word of God trusting. The written word of God and I do agree that there are the living word of God and the God now the Living Word Auto God is The Living Water God is When a person person you know I it doesn't have to be human being can be the preceding word? The preceding word was what they experienced when they were told not to enter Asia. In acts. And you can you have the logos which is living word of God which is basically when you receive Steve Revelation from Jesus Christ directly like this person who is told to go to a certain place to meet poor in Damascus. They think the person is called the on a night. Said are there to on an isis in viable in the new one. That you you know dyson another one. Maybe not cool. I remember. I've had also direct experiencing to to experience where where I get told through revelation by God both through dreams an through direct communication in the moment. What to do? God wants me. God tells me what to do and when I don't do what he says you know I get I get in trouble. And what what he tells me to do is not generally what do I would expect. I should do so. It's not not the way the world is not the there's a way that seems right to men but the ender always disruption and the what I'm told to do but God is not what I would do in my Manley wisdom right and it's in this way I was been saved from sin I've been saved from you know most people have seen preference. They have some some saying that is major in life most people and if you save from that scene you go pretty far and I've been saved from that sin you know I've been saved from saints but as I said I was was in deep trouble the first seven years or so when I will save and it's interesting. That was seven years old so which is a period of completion. The time period neighbor Knesset. I think in in the wider necessa eating grass. I had the seven years that where I I was just not. I was not doing what God told me to do. But God is a He's a very he's GonNa log of patients A lot of patients. He's alone suffering and eventually about two thousand and sixteen. Could've been two thousand nine. Actually there's sorted eventually about two thousand sixty. I delivered by faith before I I wasn't living. I was said you know somehow expecting just expecting things to workout workout. Whatever I did you know expecting me to be smart or something but in two thousand and sixteen? I stopped to live by faith and I read the Bible every day. And I've done that since then since two thousand sixteen ecksteen in September. I've read the Bible every day so as I think I remember I never missed in the beginning. I read the Bible to read actually in the beginning. I didn't read the Bible every day. Actually I read. I listen the law and it was in May two thousand seventeen when I discovered the King James Bible. That's when I started to read every day because the king as Bible such a such a positive medications to take every morning is best medication ACACIA. There is A. I've come across recommended to anyone out their BIOS Alpha. AB seventy sixty nine. If you don't already day six lever I read the ABC six eleven nowadays. But I used to the AV seventeen sixty nine this is. ABC Six eleven. It can be bored easily. It's called the fourth hundred anniversary of the king. Gains by by Gordon Campo is mentioned in the title there and get show you how it looks like inside this Bible Bible. I think I'M GONNA show a heading there. Let's see if I can get a good heading. Yeah let's let's take the low part there if you see there this low port here listening to graduates summary at the top there and then he swords not to see actually Ford says and so on. The summer is quite close to that that Bakke spend. Sometimes it's the much longer maybe depending on the the Maybe depending on the length of the chapter because it every chapter summary in the ABC six eleven. They don't have and in the seventeen sixty nine. I should also say as a side note here that I believe that the Jesus Christ I was born on the twentieth of March six BC in back Atlanta. Now we don't celebrate holidays as being being told by Pool. You know we celebrate the Louise's Christ every day. Okay go to question here. The embassador woody believe about Gospel and salvation while I will will the Gospel Jesus Christ. He came down here on earth. He died on the Cross for our Satan's he was buried and on the third day resurrected and all those who believe in him receive the free gift of Eternal Life in heaven. This is the Gospel. The good news of Your Salvation Nation is the gospel of peace and we should go out into the world and bring this Gospel Ospel to people and UH praise. His holy name Jesus Christ and I want to read to you something that I read this morning in acts nine acts acts ten activities. Ten is is the chapter that generally is not looked upon them. No X twenty. I think it was the. Let's see let's go read. You Acts Twenty and this is in the AP six and eleven as a summary at the beginning poor goes to Mike. Adonis he celebrate this load suffering preachers entertainers having fallen down. Dead is raised to lie at Millennium. He's called he he. He quoted the enders together tennis them wash out before him south flock to them warns them of false teachers and commanded them to God craze with them and goes away. So I'm GonNa read a bit. Further in. They are not from the beginning. Ann from Milady sent to Vancouver. Susan cool the elders of the church and when they come to him he said onto them you know from the first day that I came into Asia the offshore manner. I have being with you at season. Serving Lourdes Humility mind and we many tears sent them teachers which Ba- family by the laying in wait of juice and how I can fact nothing that was profitable on you but have should you have to what you publicly from house to house testifying both to the Jews and also the Greeks repentance toward God and faith towards our Lord Jesus Christ repentance towards God awed and faith towards our Lord Jesus Christ and now behold. I go bound in the spirit onto your slim not knowing the things that child before me there. Save the only ghost weakness in every city saying that bone afflictions abide me but none of these but none of these things move me neither. Count my life dear onto onto myself so that I might finished my course with joy and MUNC- which I have received the Lord Jesus to Testify The gospel of the grace of God Inaba hold. I know that year all among whom I gone preaching Keno Gotcha See. See my face. No more wherever I take you record the state that I am pure from the blood woman notice here. He says he's pure from the blood of oil man and notice what he says. The right off door there for I am not To declare onto you or the Council of God I am not shunned to declare onto you. All the Council of God. Take their for on your salves offs Over which only goes has made you overseas to feed the Georgia got which he has purchased with his own blood for. I know this that had often. My deporting shall be wolf empty pneumonia not sparing the flock also alone SAF shall Manua Rice. Speaking purvis things to draw draw away disciples of them therefore water member that by the space of three years I ceased to warn everyone night day with it tears warning people with tears be followers of poor as bullies. Follow all of release of Jesus Christ now Breslin item on you to God and to the word of His grace which is able to build you up and to give you inheritance inheritance among them which I have coveted no man's sailor or gold or apparat yet. You preach itself you you yourselves know that these hands have Means did on the minus end to them. That were were with me. I showed you these all your your things. How that so laboring you or to support the weekend to remember the words of the Lord? Jesus who how he said it is more more blessed to give than to receive that. That was what I wanted to to read to read here. Warn the people he he doesn't he is free from or the blood God of men because he warned everyone any he. He's he he. He dared to speak the whole counsel. Aw God to that not not just if you were to something the whole council. Oh God. Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone and I heard someone say this is quite interesting. If you preach the same thing every time you going to kill someone someone amaury meant by. That was that the living word is never the same by the written word is the same and I think he was referring to Cooled it says somewhere the Bible that the the letter killer the spirit gives us life and so we have to flee When you preach with the lecture you'll be preached the same thing all the time because you're you're reading the Bible you know or you following irving some theological understanding so preach the same thing every time and it actually not gonna GonNa kill someone? Someone is is GonNa feel yeah. Somebody's going to be destroyed. By so preaching I think should be the living world in the in. The living will vary aries. There should always be. It's never the same. The living word is never the same but still these eternally this this aid In the sense that it is although Jesus Christ but the living word is not regurgitating the written written word so and yeah so if there's no more questions on hand Oh yeah was talking about in the beginning here about my salvation and I went around two thousand ten. They're two thousand nine two thousand ten. They're lost friends or lost people. Go out people. I've had called with all my life. I think that's when you're born again but initially I said when I was born again I did so many things wrong. What's that it was just a stab? I didn't understand that we actually ought to live by faith where I didn't to have that kind of my faith was Yeah I think it takes time before for some people before they Realize that your your new creature creature now. I could talk about that too. You know there are cats and dogs on this. There are Alex and birds and then there are human beings that exists another race another race another creature also only saw so now the species and these are those who have become a new creature and these people have the spirit of Christ priced in them not the spirit of ally job or the speed of most us they have the spirit of Christ the son of God in they are arc flash not just in their heart in their flesh as well in these are another species another creature than human beings there are you know they boom by the spirit now so they're not really human beings anymore they have been born again and the old man has been slayed has been killed and that's the circumcision of the heart that you have been slain by that you're dead but Christ liveth in you and something more I was gonna say it's so new creature yeah I was GonNa say this it's that because I've been looking for I've been going to church say what's what's wrong with this fellowship bite us in fellowship work why conduct fellowship with people. We'll get this. You know and testing by both those who compare themselves among themselves are not wise in any field goal to psalm. Ninety one it says a thousand Thousand four on your right side left side or something and ten thousand on your side Yeah. That's eleven thousand people and that means that about one in eleven thousand people is a Christian. Statistically speaking and that means that they're likely you're going to find a Christian if he enter. Church is very small very very small. It's likely that it's going to be one Christian in there. Even if you enter mega charge like your Odeen with ten thousand people in likely you're gonNA find a Christian that might be one onion there but there's not likely to be too if you see statistically now we don't know really if there are more people in old mon crystals in Joel hosting judge than you know in just a city living in the city or if they're actually less statistically speaking that's likely to find the Christian in Yolo Center. I don't know that that could be more because he preaches. God or a preaches. Jesus the name of Jesus but it could be less. But I don't know the answer to that. Yeah yes Christ as Freddie's blood on the gross fro scenes. Yeah atonement own macro Satan's. Yeah in yeah in salvation. You have conviction on field guilt dependents. Then you put faith in the blood that Jesus Christ shed blood on the crow owned the Christ determine for your sins yeah so that repentance towards God and faith in Jesus Christ yeah so yeah he has said he has Jesus Christ has died for for all hours in not just our policies on our currency Not just our pollsters since but all our seats and I found Jesus Christ has saved us in such a way that we don't commit sins if we look in the in the epistles of John it actually says that a born again Christian does not commit and that indicates that he saves us from our sins so that we don't commit them that salvation How are you sade so you don't commit Satan's because so you know there are so many scenes everywhere you can commit since over time and basically basically the the sovereign on the mound but but basically the agars how you say so? You don't go meet scenes and I think we have to be saved from ourselves. That's the real problem. So Salvation is from south. We are slain. A circumcision of the heart is to be slain in the spirit by God not by some charismatic could get hypnotized. Sarah whatever but but by God and slade inspired by God and Being given the Holy Ghost so that we are safe for ourselves salves Yeoman's teams. I'm pretty sure. Roman standings describing how the Israel that did not believe Jesus they stumbled at the coming off old days. Yeah the juice definite did stumble at at the coming of Jesus. I mean they killed him wasn't to their advantage to salvage moment to the jam ties. And so on and I think Romans Romans ten is Roman standard we read. Roman standard. Says doesn't say that. But how can they believe on him that they have knocked the. How can they call upon him that they have not believed or something? Isn't that Romans ten as well. Let's go there. Romans Romans ten fourteen. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed and how shall they believe in Him who they have not heard and how sally here without the preacher? This I think is central to Roman Stan. It's it's if if you have not believed Roman Stanton ten doesn't apply to you is for whoever should call upon the name Lord Shabby saved. How shall they call on him whom they have not believe that very clearly that you have to believe I I then you can call on his name? So you're not say by calling on his name your saved by believing that he's as Lord. He is the Lord and Savior that he's the king of kings. The son of God that he's the Christ vice sexual you saved by leaving. That is Christ that what he says not that anything else so Romans Tan is really does not contradict the fatal. Because it's a Roman stem. Ten fourteen is very clear in context processes the divorce after that. You have to have believed need to be able to call. Roman standing doesn't only have to be to Israel it a- applies to omit. Doesn't that only have to be to the ethnic us back in two hundred eighty or so it could actually it also Actually works well today as well Romans said because the Romans them forty which says that basically sat said they can't they can't call on him is they haven't believed so it doesn't corporate faith alone Romans ten even today so yeah. That's how I see at least that's my my explanation. I'm trying to see how is it. There's been in a lot of youtube. There's been a lot of debate about whether gospels Romans Tan or if it is acts sixteen thirty one and what if it is was the third case I think three with the blood atonement their ooh and then people have also first grade team. Fifteen were three to four and as a debate there which of these it it is an is basically. The debate is that you know. It doesn't have to be one place. It's faith it by grace to faith in Christ alone by grace alone through faith alone in Christ low. I haven't seen that people disagree on this. Even these people who seem to disagree on if you talk to them about the door if you you feel them saying they they they agreed so by grace. Salvation is by grace you know at so they agree on that when when you talk to them you notice that even these people who seem to teach totally different gospel and everything eventually they agree. It's by grace. And it's all by faith in Christ. Jesus Christ so people can teach all kinds of stuff but you know that if they genuine they agree on this so but I think that we have the listened with Eaton and only goes enters. Those who who have been born again and and so we are we are to fall out through our anointing. We haven't inner indoctrinating power if you are saved. The Bible is good to help us but we listen to the holy ghost inside of us. And if we don't do that we are. It's possible that we It's possible that we You know it's a kind of mockery of the only goes to not listen to it. People think it's okay to to grieve. The only goes yeah. It does not as ave shoe but it can be very serious to your life your earth so I think we should take very you know you have been giving an annoying if you're born again and that anointing is indoctrinating on thing that that is not through someone else here earth. It's not through a book. It's not through advice from someone you believe has disarmament it's In you and its spirit. Spirit spirit to spirit so the important I think to follow our ninety when we were born again and then to stick with that. And that's what I've been. That's what I've been doing more. And he he does lend me in a totally different direction and I would not with my own. You Know Uman understanding have been able to is totally clay roane. What I thought was right? I thought it was totally wrong. I mean but I was told my anointing told me and I did and it works out. So grace embassador YouTube channel Romans Tan. Yeah while I think personal Roman Stan I think that all scripture is good for teaching righteousness so I don't think it only applies to you know that was the situation back. Then when the Jews who are being God's people knowledge relation to the jam ties so that was a shift taking in place and But I think that the that the it applies today as well as Roma's standard applies today as well on unscripted good for teaching a righteousness rebuke doctrine. So I think that that we always. I think we don't need generally too. I mean it's good to have the Bible. I wouldn't say people need the Bible to the disabled. I would not say that because that would make you know. God made it so smart that nobody would ever need the Bible for that salvation because they haven't inner indoctrinating knowing the boat again people so so someone will talk to them through their head or railay spirit spirits better wording because through their head. It's not like you know your brain power power starts to figure out things it's more spirit two spirit. There's someone that has written a book about this and he scored Steve Sampson Steve Sampson reasonable Gord. Buchwald here at the Voice of God you can hear the God and it's an e book for about seven Euros. Yeah what it describes. What happened to Israel? That's all I'm saying. Yeah I believe that that's true with the ethnic us I mean if they had haven't had faith on the Lord Jesus Christ that cooled on his name Matt you know they called on God and ended up faith in Jesus Christ Yeah I think also that them that can it get applied to them but I think it applies to everyone today as well. There's snow that without faith we we can get nothing and was association is through faith. Elisa's Christ so to get to God the father other it's always on fake any soft and wet months people who are born again and they are sons of God he subscribed He's The only begotten Son of God but those Are Born again. They are he is he is the first is the only begotten Son in God. But not so. I beg often in the resurrection. You could say and offer him. A lot of people were born again so they became also sons of God. All sound so God can can pray directly to the father we pray to the father in the name or low. Jesus Christ was silence of the father. Sounds God the father to the name. Elisa's Christ I said this is a marvelous thing and I wanted to Do CPI can promote old tier channel. Confined here I WANNA promote here. This channel space. There were deals that I think are interesting to listen to would be nice if people people listen to it they can go back to me and tell me what they think about it. I WanNa Promote Maya was called my my email list I have. I'm an email list which basically just means that your record in that they may list you can click. That subscribe basically ticket. I have a email list. It's like a more immediate getting the your maybe marketing. Generally if you buy something from store there's litter box you click three see the updates or whatever and then you start receiving emails from them and at the bottom of the Should say unsubscribe if you want you should be able to graze as Leon subscribe but they will send you these emails and I have one of those lists as well that disposed on subscribe from. You can join this list. Yeah I agree that stands probably described what happened tracer chaser out but I think that it it applies to anyone who doesn't believe in the Lord. Jesus Christ that they What will not be able to call on his name? I think it's important not to listen too much to videos. But listen for those who have been born again to listen to the only non on the Holy Ghost should be speaking to you and it's not like something you should just don't do whatever is very important to do what he what he says. And before we advise God is not to be mocked you remember what happened to King Saul with When he didn't follow the advice missile? Over Samuel The prophet you know he was He lost his while he lost is he was given an evil spirit committed suicide. And why from Church people as they will tell you not to do what you're told in your head or through your spirit just but now they don't now you. You can't do that. Estimate Jurors and then they will come in and say oh he this person is about you now he decides what you think can do when who you are and everything everything and some priests comes in some Catholic. You know some some kind of WANNA be priest comes in there. 'cause he's not say he comes in there and says it is and then he tries to be peace in your life wants to take over the role of the mediator between you and God. This is supporting the judges. They totally Catholic is dangerous to be there they will lead you astray through Janos. Also what you say. That's what I noticed. I said things to them and they told me totally wrong. Answer and this has happened many times. You get the totally wrong advice. If you go to church it's and it's not just one church so I believe it's a spirit of Christ in the judge is as the spirit that does not care about anyone guests about the building and the cats about status in the wall About the world but that's definitely not care about Christians. It's you know that's why it's so dangerous. Church coach is not for sheep. They don't care about cheap and they teach wrong doctrine that leads people back to the trucks apply certain versus more than others so the people always go back to the judge. They kind of stuck there do they are kind of change. The Yeah Yup Yup. Well Israel Israel You know they. They will be eventually. But they've been blinded until the fullness over the gap died says coming and. Hello Jason. Yeah so we have two people here now. Okay Yeah Yeah I've been not been on YouTube Actually actually I started on youtube around a was it to to to sell them and eighth eighth. I think I started on you and I had an account called Mac Gary on you to two thousand seven I think Given two thousand sakes maybe two and I went wrong totally even though even though I read the Bible so I went wrong eventually around two thousand eleven that when I and I think it was because okay hold here in Sydney yeah here in Sweden. It's it's winus minus one point five degrees Celsius here in Sweden. So it's below the freezing point I basically been making Bible videos since Around two thousand and sixteen so I was I was naming the Lord and starting to make Bible videos in two thousand nine two thousand ten. They're and you know. I think I was kind of like To cowardly to because of the reaction. I God I got some trolling. The happened to me. A name the name of the Lord basic and I when Youtube there. I did go on making stops cold. Cost us on but I actually didn't publish them publicly mistake. I think we should always be public to some degree. We don't have say anything publicly. I think we can have a room. That is private or that is off of the That are only open for a few like this group is could server or an unlisted videos with email mailing list but I I think that some some some stuff we should do should be probably because I think actually it's good for for a person to speak publicly but I don't think everything should be said publicly and the reason for that. Is that the legal system. We live today makes it not the same to speak publicly. has to speak with someone in your whole work is say publicly is more similar to what you write in the newspaper from a legal perspective. Or what you And writing a book so so speaking public on Youtube even though people say all sorts of things you today. It doesn't necessarily mean that you know if someone did persecute them they will get away with it though. The point is that people don't but I think the legal system is changing more more to make Internet just like any Use Paper and then people and Debravo. The legal system is catching up on the Internet. When the Internet came it was totally John Galore but now it's not making the viable I started making some by believers in two thousand ten but then I stopped doing videos? Yeah yeah the the Asia embassador. They're actually that's that's similar to me. Actually because old also started making Bible videos in two thousand in sixteen. I mean I did in my old account Mac Eric. I did read the Bible a bit but then I was kind of a troll roll down so I deleted that account actually and studied the Bible since since two thousand distances two thousand eleven. I've studied the Bible now and then but I I didn't make you I in two thousand sixteen again. That started making youtube videos. And then I focused on the King James Bible because I realized that was such a so much trolling and and so much yes so many I would say that people with evil intent on they can log on public. Radio's news and you can. They tried to I think they. They tried to enter Ashley a lot of people don't put out public stuff. The question is should we put a public deals. You know trolling is Is something that most people do have to deal with woods publicly so when I started studying the Bible I in two thousand when I read the Bible I read Okay Northeast. USA Yeah Northeast USA. That's about the main or something I am that. That's probably the main has about the same climate as as where I live the same flora as well actually saved flowers and trees on So I live on the sixties Dong Long at you. I think it's called the sixties sixty. which is the same as the The southern cap all greenland actually actually in Sweden. And it's I think it's it's about the same as main I think look at Pennsylvania. Okay so when I started to study the Bible I started I I had Swedish New Testament that I read. And then I then I actually though some trawling and and I I went underground. You could call it and then I actually read a Ah from beginning to end. I read the John's literal translation which is A. I think it's a fourteen hundred so it's the fifteen hundreds or thirty nine hundreds version. I should the King Bible instead but I didn't and then when I got After that I read Bible two thousand which is a Swedish translation one of the worst translations done in Swedish and You know after that. I've been reading Swedish translations and then adventure to the in May two thousand seventeen. I came on over the Kings Bible started reading it then sees I started. I'd never solved 'cause. It's the best out there what I've done is I've started to change to a ABC eleven. And the reason I changed to David six eleven Evan. This one is because of that it actually has been more it has summaries in it and there is a difference Prince. There are some difference in this. I find for example the capitalization can be different the capitalizing capitalizing on name and on truth and things and also punctuation at the that can be small differences in this but mostly it's the summary of each chapter. That is a great thing about this. So there's more text in this and I also find something interesting when I look into the people who use this one I I found out something about that. The LEVIATHAN in in the book of jobs now the Leviathan most people think that the Leviathan is a large animal but I believe that the Leviathan. He's the Anti Christ at the time and it says there that uh he is a king over the Sheldon of pride and I think that's so such great great way to to to disarm the Anti Christ the children over the Anti Christ the she had no pride you know so the Anti Christ has been around all the time he's being around even in the Old Testament and you have this anti Christ figures like the Federal Egypt So and I think also neighbor Canessa. Maybe I don't know if mcinnis Nandi Anti Christ but now maybe knock. Maybe the Assyrian King was I dunno re they just anti Christ I don't know really I think in the New Testament scare. The ninety crisis is a believing is a professing Christian that is force and tries to destroy true Christians like you does season anti Christ in the New Testament and what I found very interesting with this stuff is that people should realize the anti Christ around today and we should have a relation to the Anti Christ today. And he's not a relational fellowship. It's a relational knowing doing that. They are the Anti Christ staying away from them and I think that the one I think that the pre Trib rapture which teaches us and the crisis on here today is a wonderful way to to fool people into north having having the guard up towards the Anti Christ and that's how they can be destroyed by the Christ. The anti-crisis is someone. We should avoid lead. Doesn't say we should destroy the Anti Christ in the Bible. You should avoid him because you know he he's So yeah we should avoid the Anti Christ and there are many antics. He says in the one hundred eighty that there were many the anti Christ go knock in the world already one hundred ad so that means that There are many anti Christ now too. So it's not just one auntie Christ Steph in North One anti Christ that is coming in the future though that will be in the future and there might be a fine alantic. Christ you know but people forget that the anti Christ around even in the book of job you know so these. They was being there San Antonio Immortal entity the Anti Christ and that's why he cannot be destroying the local fire and Yeah so I'm coming contact with that information about the antichrist's I still am. Basically it isn't stories Nation on the Book or revelation. That is connected to it the yeah well there are some. There are some things that are spelled in a way that looks like printing errors in sixteen eleven. There is actually a place in the six eleven where it's different word. Says he is that she instead of he and it is sad. Why think a woman in Solomon's arms and I think it is is it the Song mm-hmm Solomon for twenty seven or something where it says indicate? JV It says that he is lying in in a in a his arms or something but in the six eleven it says that she is lying in his arms which makes makes it much more correct so but there are so. That's one thing that is different and this stuff about the AV AV seventeen sixty nine is will correct. I don't believe that so but the I would say that. Ah I would say you know if you do believe in the in that God created the inspired word you you know you know English version. Then I believe he did that in the first printing And the good thing is about there were three printings. Eleven and the first printing is a printing that was Used asked to produce a Oxford agent or trade. Repeat so so The Oxford in eighteen thirty three reprint. This one that I'm reading at its Roman phone says the only difference between the Dan the first printing six eleven according to say faced I so basically you can read the first printing of the sixteen eleven that was done in six eleven. You can read that it's available for free at archive at work. Because there's no Cobra on it but it does impossible to buy it in the Gordon Campbell. Four hundred anniversary king's Bible from Oxford University grants so but there's been a lot of talk about that they improve the the six eleven venit through printing errors and stuff on this book by going Campbell but actually I king by board and I didn't read it. It is that I bought the seventy six nine but all I was reading the wrong by but I thought and I both seventy sixty nine. I started reading them instead. And and now we're going back to the original six in lever is that yeah yeah absolutely I mean what printing errors when I read this book that I notice the spelling on some words are you're just for example you you the wood the letter U is pronounced Vee in this book so but there are there are cases when you read this book and you notice that you basically yeah it just sounds GESTA. There are different spelling the word the word have have in this book in. This is spelled H. A. U. E.. So it's not H. A. V. E. IT's have is spelled H. A.. Ub and it's the same with everything they have you instead the air but there are also cases where you can think spelling that that'll cases won. The spelling is not the same for the same word in this book for example so that it could indicate a spelling error but really is not difficult to to to understand what they're saying so sometimes suggest stop and read it again. Look what what is that. But it's not like you can't read this if you read the six eleven. If you re- day we seventy six on on. You can read the six and eleven as well as long as it's phones. which is incident in? This wants this book is a Roman phones. Here and So I wouldn't I wouldn't know we've Cornyn printing errors because when you say saying they're always there were printing errors that's what I'm saying. So printing errors is a question Estenoz definition. Maybe God wanted to be that way. Maybe it's not a printing air. Maybe when God you who is to judge what is a printing error anyway anyway is mantra judge that what is printing error. Isn't God the Judge Show everything what I'm saying here is that they came up with a Bible in six eleven after that they've been revising it all the time up to seventy sixty nine. Maybe after as well maybe revising its human. Bees have been sitting in changing the word of God and saying it's a printing error or it's a typographical error. Whatever one hundred the original regional not trust these men these if I mean if the Bible is greater than sixteen eleven as as an inspiring text? I don't think that wasn't A. I think God intends to be that way. I think it can do perfect work. I mean this is what I'm saying. It said I prefer to read the the reward. Oh God nowadays. The water garden at the border guard and these are different. The written word of God scripture Victor and leaving what Oh God is What can be things that can be? You know when you pray you again. Pray something called listening. Breyer and that means that you pray and you listen for reply. That's listening. Living Word of God can be preaching that comes out of you when you are living in fellowship. The people of God the Old Testament prophets they preached something that was written in the scripture. They had contact spiritual spirit with God and You know yeah yeah. It's very difficult to read those. Like sixteenth extorted Most Kenyans Bibles they have this text type. That makes it very difficult to read it so I don't read it because it's not broken phones in them. You have to sit there and try to read these letters that are I think it's called FRAC. Dial phones or something or it's cooled cool now It's the same Swedish when you go back to fifteen hundred bibles they have this other form type so an f. face and asked I think for example and is very difficult to it's it's it's quite difficult to read it but but it's a yeah. It's it's good to read those too so you have like an antique kicking games or is it the reprint in sixteen thirty seven there. You know the yeah but these are at archive dot org you can. I'm flying the they'll regional from the six hundred in in a in a dog have the dog as pdf fives. But I think you can buy. Also now it's an antique okay. Yeah seek to thirty seven quite old to be a King Games. Bibles can be you way too nice to have one of those. I think that this one though doc is much cheaper and it's much easier to read you know because it throw them phones so yeah so you get the the summary only chapter in the eighty six eleven. Yeah Yeah Okay Yeah. Eight has eight has led the cars because has latkes on the couch holding the Bible shocked. Yeah yeah those bibles were Heavy are beginning are happy as well think it's it's a it's a I guess you you should keep those bibles Nah in gloss cover something with a special Bent Elation or something to make sure it's I don't know but it's It's an antique thing that some value it on the monetary the market but. I don't think it's something that we agree. Daily santee bibles breath. Yeah stored away in the door exactly so that. It doesn't isn't destroyed Loyd so easily I think the way you had this email marketing and these scored the sorber that we have the possibility to have kind the network that is not really public and two more no our subscribers and choose use our subscribers more kind of choose our listeners. Our subscribers sue on this video and and with email marketing Malaysia. You can use other platforms as well. Yeah bibles yeah. Yeah that that can be a way to preserve no viable yeah. I bought a Bible from eighteen hundreds Sweden. I got it for Two Euros actually that I keep because it was. They didn't know though that it was maybe eight hundred valuable for two point. Five Euros is about three dot. US dollars who making honors. But it's very small tax than it's not so easy to read adds to Swedish Bible so it's I think it is it. No it's not call good. It's UH yeah. I think it's called the Twelve Bible school. I think something. So here's why don't we have three bibles and I'm not sure if anyone really is Chiefs are representative of the King Games. But we have one new testament that came out. Gustav also show you it. I'm going to show this This is Gustavo. Elsa isn't a reprint of Gustav also from the fifteen hundred New Testament. The Hours GONNA show here quickly so you can see the letters. Here is the same as in the King Games they have. They said that are very difficult to read. Doc just not Roman phone and this is from fifteen twenty six but I mean this is a reprint. So it's new it's from the nineteen seventies or I. I don't know when this was printed. See Nine hundred sixty six says this this is a fancy he me. I think is going to reprint. The original was in fifteen twenty six. I have this and I also have one inform from the later version. So that's a New Testament Gustavo's on New Testament and I don't know really if they are presented sensitive over the King James. Yeah exactly the phone. Looks like the six eleven King Games. Yeah it's the same math on that they used to but I don't know if it's representative over the King Games. There have not been done any studies really on the Swedish bibles sewer degree. They they are the word of God or not but my guests. They say if God wanted to I guess he would preserve some version in Swedish. Do who was the first one that came out in the sixteen hundreds of Swedish. But I've not been able to get hold of it so it could be that one but basically take just a revision of this on. It says this is good stuff. Also I don't know maybe it's the one that came out in six hundred in Sweden that I've not been able to get it's called. Gustav all those Bible. Yeah yeah the F is an ass in this Factor phone now slightly clean so I use a King Games because I I just found it more easier to read than the Swedish from the sixteen from the seventy dollars. I Have Swedish from the seventy ninety nine Digitalized called I think called cordoned off. This bieber Call the Twelfth Bible King Twas Bible and it can be found on the you can even have in APPs on iphone zone and But the kind of am I find the English version better. The thing with the King James is that it's quite easy actually to understand. Is They have short words and they are self explanatory kind of most words. So they've found out that the King James Bible sexually these Bible DeLorme were one of the easiest much easier than the an IV on. So I use the kingdom's bobble when I read. No not. Yeah what I know about them because Swedish is my native language so because of that die I can read about Swedish bibles aid. They are not really You won't find it on the on on its national sights much about it. So yes the Swedish by naked line which in and then I. I actually lived in London for three years when I was young. When I was about fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen there so English ca-came kind of something I learned than others and then now since I read the Bible I think it's very good to read the Bible Knowledge in English because the king has like the English language. It says what's important about the mm-hmm yeah. Yeah so do recommend. Eric meant that people can join my newsletter. It's very easy to do. Just an email addresses all you need and it's possible it's not spam in the sense that a you can unsubscribe from this new slacker with one. Click I have in the immense you to see that the bottom of the maze you have you can kick down subscribed but it says not subscribing you about subscribe and also. I'm not gonNA add your emails without your permission. So you're going to have to add them yourself if you don't doubt yourself to my email list you won't be added so at that way. It's not stop and go. Spam is basically when you add people donate Melissa. They haven't opted into. 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Barcelona Reduce Wages

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Barcelona Reduce Wages

"Hello welcome into Friday's edition of ESPN AFC ON ESPN. Plus I'm Dan Thomas throughout the show. I'll be joined by likes of Craig Burley Alley Moreno Julianne Laurent. Frankly birth and Sibylla. In fact. It's in Spain that we start the front page of the Catalan newspaper. Sport talking about the tensions between the plans and the boss alone aboard regarding the salaries talk of implementing. A salary cuts on the boss suppliers. Siglo is with US said what's going on. What essentially what's going on the bus trying to find a solution or at least a temporary solution to some of the economic problems posed by the krona virus crisis and what they did was have a series of conversations with the players at Basler about the possibility of a seventy percent pay-cut for as long as the state of alarm loss in Spain. The players have turned that down. That's not say turning down any possibility of a pay cut. But they've turned that down. The problem is that because of the labor laws in Spain. What's known as yards which enables companies to unilaterally? Impose these kind of Pike us and that is what boss will now do. So you can you can have conversations replies because the best thing to do always of course having a ghost yet. It's estimate but in the end if a club wants to force this through. They will be able to do so. The problem of calls from Boston his point of view reaction that that creates in the dressing room and the way in which it makes an already difficult relationship between ballroom addressing even more tense. Sit Him I just being naive aren't really rich. Well I mean I must admit that this very simplistic but it does kind of stick in the throats or the you take the front page of the papers that I bought from Bif- sports and municipal which is the two sports dailies dedicated largely to slide. And you have this Jackson position of two stories. One story is of course the withdrawals the window and the story has to do with trying to cut salaries because they desperately need it. Well you can't have it both ways and actually one of the things that people perhaps haven't appreciate it is at one of the reasons why the players do not try to trust the club on this one of the things that they are. Thanks that Bobby's hang on if you're going to reduce our salaries and then in the summer suddenly they'll be one hundred million euro bid for someone. Well this doesn't quite fit. It doesn't quite sit right and so yeah of course that jars it doesn't. It's not something that's easy to swallow but at the same time in response to your specific question which is our boss and enrich no. They're not they're economic situation is really really bad. And it's really bad even pre corona virus crisis. So that's the reason why they and let's not forget. This are the very first but not only Spanish club to have done this. And we've seen athletes and Hispaniola confirm they'll be doing something similar just sticking with what happens going forward safe game. Stop being played behind closed doors to get a bit of their salary back. How do they expect it to play out right? Well that that's actually relatively easy to explain. And it's another part that was easy to explain doesn't entirely make sense because the proposal is that this would be a seventy percent pay cup for as long as the state of alarm continues now at the moment that set to be until April eleventh but it could be expanded beyond that and the idea is the seventy percent pay-cut last lap period which the Moma looks like being a month. Maybe five weeks maybe six and then after that they would go back to making one hundred percent and hey comes across this whether or not the league restarts and this is also an economic measure being put in place at a time where you still don't know whether the really key element to the financial crisis is going to happen or not where you still don't know whether or not the season we'll be finished and whether or not there will be implications in terms of what you make from the television rights so. Barcelona not only handling away which is problematic but also the handling this in a way which may be slightly premature as you mentioned said. Talk still about getting this season dummy so that lays story marketed. I say league a very much still committed to completing this current campaign. They're committed to it. Of course this comes in the light of the statement that was joint between Love Federation the start the week in which they recognize. I think for the first time publicly at least look nothing can happen until the health authorities. Tell us that something can happen. So this doesn't really have a date as such and yet of course it is. Their responsibility is their duty to continue to look at contingencies. To continue to look at ways in which they can get the season finished if at all possible the League Federation of determined to do so. The League is being a bit more proactive. In terms of time to find trying to find ways of wiggling funding some brickell room and getting this season Don moving next season on. If needs be so at the moment the League is saying look we will. Do everything can to get this plight. Bats as we keep staying as we keep stressing and we've got continue saying we just don't know of course because we're in the hands of the virus we're not in the hands of the League all the Federation all the Players Union. All the clubs silhouettes always thank you very much. We're now joined by Julianne Laurent. Joseph talk about faith and the possibility of moving the transfer window. Yes that's right a fee for all with the agreement or at least the the the the work relationship with but also with the curb association and Andrea. Nearly they're trying to basically take the best decision for the current situation and while football he's going through and we'll go through in the next few weeks as well so that could mean be more flexible and financial fair play for example decided to extend the transfer window that could go all the way maybe to the end of December again. Very much depends when the the Coen season will restart if it does restart and also when the next one will start as well and how much transfer after I've been able to do. You could maybe also thing that could decide to put a cap on the maximum transfer fees. That could that could be spent in the semi shorter window for example to you could say okay. Let's not get spend more than one hundred million euros on one player for example that kind of thing so. I think they're starting doing your love working. Groups were the DELUCA. Every ideas every possibilities. Every option is best to nine transfer in terms of player contract as well. Because there's no forget I love players are contract. We'll be off contract on June thirtieth which means that if we start the season and play in July and August those players would be of controversy needed by the club and would want to play as well so all of going through the moment and you could expect them to have a structure in place for when finally. There's the green light again two seasons. Meanwhile we saw Manchester United reiterate the fact that they are committed to end this current season. That's what we've been hearing of course over the last couple of weeks from the Premier League some suggestions that it's not completely unanimous. Yes and if you remember when when it was announced that the primary was suspended a few weeks ago there were few clubs and one especially Western. Who publicly said that for them. He's in void of your stairs. You Know Westheimer fighting against relegation and Brady was very quick to come and said you know. I think he'd be better to completely stop. The season is declared void. And then start again next year. Then shoots she back. Pedaled Eliza be and came back and said actually. This is not a good idea. We know that some clubs and again I don't think he's very hard to know which one are the top of the table and also at the bottom of the table. Who for them and for the interest you would be better if the student was voted? Because you go down or you would not miss out on trump's for for example for certain clubs so you know for them however they're still haven't come out publicly in saying that they don't want this season two of the one that season to finish and they want avoided but you you could understand. Why some of those CEOS and chairmen owners and presidents would like the season to be voted. You would work better more in their favor declared and if not if it was restarting to finish Juliana wrong. Thank you very much for more. Joe's patients download the lay sedition of his podcast with Gab. Which is available over on the website. Just remind your show. You can download the podcast over on the website go through. Vr is if you like to find out who Craig stevie would induct into the Premier League Hall of fame in that brings us quite nicely so conversation that I want to have with the beautiful. Frankly birth about the exact topic frank. Which Pre League legends would you have in? I could put so many names in but after long thought soon. Oh I will put the captain of Chelsea and captain of England. John Terry for what he did for the club to country and the trophy that he got. I would put David Beckham because he wants so many things. He's he's a legend he's known around the world so I think he deserves that and the last but not the least Stephen Girard. I think he's the real English scouse named that. You have to put because it is to be there maybe me now. I'm getting just getting. We were talking before as well but maybe you would have a special segment for some characters of the League. Yes if I may I WANNA put Mr Eric Cantona because Mr Recant did something. He's one of the first French guy to come with David. Aloun was I think. The third and e e changed the game and the championship when you was leading the championship and we spend she stated after he came back and scored so many input on goals and made mention it again. Champion of England. So I think he may deserve to be there and I want to put the crazy but lovely vinnie Jones crazy on the field on the light in life and east crazy. I know people will jump which is not possible. It's part of the history and the beginning of the Premier League so many these have to be there. Who'S THE FETZER actor? You vinnie Jones or of course me. It'd be just can only played the bad guy. The Guy was going to kill so many people even count on because it doesn't know how to counter until there but how can play. The smart person can play the romantic person. I'm French by the way and cannot know even play the body but of course some better. I speak French and I speak English. Well a little bit of English so I'm better fragment per thank you very much all of us to get back to you squats just to remind. Espn FC available on Youtube Channel. Be sure to go over there and subscribe and now another edition of obvious. News from GEICO experts. 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Running jump remember this time unique. Who complained about the possibility that taken would play ahead of goalkeeper ahead? I haven't had a memo noyer in the German national team and they even went so far as to suggest that they could threaten the German football federation and say well. If noy doesn't play you can't have any of our players now. I know this is the arrogance. Perhaps of one man. I know this is a particular circumstance in which by Munir under pressure in that circumstance. I'd be saying you know all sunshine. I don't join your club. I don't care what money you put on the table. I don't care how big a club you I do. Not Join Your Club. Under those circumstances you effectively tried to prevent me to play from plan for the German national team to keep your guy in the team so if I was telling me that said as some Muslim memorial rents have been reporting really really well for ESPN on on this issue. I have some very significant doubts about his position at Boston. And it does have significant doubts about the direction the club is going in and whether this is the right move the him professional even it professionally speaking even though on a personal level. He is really really embrace the Catalan capital. In a way that I think very few foreign players do and so now I must admit it doesn't seem quite right but there is a decision to be made now wherever that's by. Munich is an odd question. What together Sunshine Said Life? Thank you very much for joining us. Also on the website the latest column by the European Football Notebook writers including of course Julianne Laurent Jewels. You are all over. This three plays in particular. Propagate Obama young and cooler Bali after those three. Which gets you the most excited talking about a possible move in the summit propagator with special? Because he's born and bred like me grew up where I grew up and he's a wonderful talented people watching the show would not have heard of so. I think these special for me. The biggest one is obviously Obama Young. Because there's so much stay there for him and for awesome book only has as we said these remaining of the soon wherever that means and then the following season and then obviously Al cone five at the moment because of the current situation. There's been no talk between him and the club. Although this would be plan at some point to see maybe he can extend his contract at the Emirates other than that is that they will sell in in the Senate or go for free the following one and he played him. Who's WHO's thirty? You could expect some reps to come for him. So far has been no bathroom. No Monster United. No clubs like this for being taught coming in contact with astronaut with Obama. Young and these people. That doesn't mean I won't come later in the season. The amount will do because someone is prolific as him with only one year left on his contract. Be Very interesting. I think for top clubs who are looking for a strike deadliest him so I think we're going to talk a lot about a lot. More SORRY ABOUT OBAMA. Young between nine the end of this incident again whenever that is regarding transfer potential transfer him staying in London because of its contract situation in the the current situation where we football Juliana wrong. Thank you very much great weekend just reminded ESPN AFC. We'll be back on Monday. Be sure to join us was on his show our own car saying you get more tranquil about Miami in the street. Nobody bothers you and you go out to dinner in peace but you also lose. Because nobody's looking at. You know these legal doing you win a one-sided lose on another there are pros and cons welcome. Andrew Moreno into the show Ali. Of course you still streets of Columbus without getting recognized and from bothered by Paparazzi. An old to graph hunters is interesting. The Pizarro comes out with both the good and the bad of this situation I think as a player you lie to have that piece that that knowledge and understanding that you can go wherever you want to and and you can just be a regular member of society certainly when you have had a lot of attention in your career and you have seen guys come into major league soccer that have been in that spotlight that media spotlight over the course of a career and they feel that relief for being able to just walk around these just another guy examples like Wayne Rooney who the fact that you know what it is great to be around with my family to be able to restaurant to be able to have a meal and not feel like people are watching you. People are looking over your shoulder. The there's people out there that want something from you now we're cutting between essentially saying okay. I like that piece. But if you're the common say hi got hit and do so because that's nice to ask players you like to be the center of attention you want to perform a stage when you're out on the failure performing for people out there and you. WanNa make sure that you please the crowd and that you're giving them something to cheer about so when you want to be the center of attention and somehow in the marketing which are play now major league soccer. You're not quite that's in of attention. Sometimes you miss it but be careful what you wish because he knows very well what media scrutiny looks like and blamed for he would have recognized that that was kind of crazy that level of attention. What's kind of crazy so we're in between? I think the way that allows for peace out once it. Mls wanted to be big don't they? They want the sports at blow up to be on a par with the likes of NFL. And of course an appeal to players you mentioned wearing rene is the anonymity that you get when you come over here however if it continues to grow as a brand to become as big as NBA NFL. Could that be a problem? Attracting plays first of all. We're a long way from that but assuming that that happens down the line. No it's never. A problem is never an issue because guess what if indeed that's what MLS becomes is that. What major league soccer becomes an inside the level of the NBA of the NFL? Major League Baseball. If that's Dilawar they're competing. Guess what they're competing with the salaries. Guess what they're competing with marketing money. Guess what they're competing with a presence in the in the TV marketplace and if indeed that's the trade show I think major league soccer will sign up to that right now if you're a player and you are looking front. Perhaps that's not the market. You want to be a part of Eliza. There's a lot of dollars that are gonNA come with it and a lot of attention that is gonNA come along with it so it's a give and take for players. I don't think players that like attention will turn their back on. Mls simply because they're saying you know what? I want to have a peaceful meal with my family. I don't think that would be a deterrent. I think it would be a sign of growth and it's something that MLS malysz fans would welcome. Thank you very much more formality extra time. He joins me and Craig Burley tweets. You can check that out as always on our youtube channel an interesting creature in the flat and read planes of many an automobile dashboard the bobblehead. 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These people not only work but they have such a good spirits. Brilliant great stuff and of course that's being replicated around the world that brings us to the end Today show. We'll be back with you on Monday. But be sure to stay tuned for extra time with Craig and woke means the latest addition of extra time. Thank you as always for your tweets. Craig Burley and Ali Moreno with me. We'll stop boys with a simple one. Craig sewn or ration. We'll start with. We'll start how you ruined my goal today. I don't know if he ruined Ali's but you ruined main because I got a text message halfway around when I was told it wasn't needed today. I know you don't go ahead. Go ahead and start thinking about me. Get off today. We all known thinking of extra time I stopped the shine. Can the ball stuff on which to me round Dots Martin today so you can stick your son or whoever it was? I don't even know the question. All in the annoys we. Would we practice social distances? This please practice off walt today. Not to bothers. Please finally saw no respite. I was ever do so. He's telling the truth. The game goes south. I couldn't watch for that I would say I'm GONNA say Marcus Rashtra simply because he's not quite yet. The final article. He's not quite yet the final product whereas Human Song's twenty seven years old. We are. I think we're getting the best of him right now. We're not quite sure. What the vessel Marcus. Russia is going to be but I think the ceiling may be higher than what we have seen from coming now. There needs to be some growth majority for Mike for anti needs to stay fit all big questions for him but I'll take America Stratford. Just Craig Burley. Who is the best player you ever played with by the way are cut C. U. Laws as you know is? He looks cheaper headphones on again. Because those headphones on here well. The answer is the fact that you had taken time to analyze my headphones however. I was able to workout something in my house where now I have a microphone and earpiece and so therefore does the headphones are not well. However you had twelve your criticism. I love my headphones. No I I came to see how the shore was going nowhere on. Espn laws wonder how the lights on. I need to see how doing a wasn't i. Wasn't getting jealous or anything. I've been enjoying I thought how can you I will the hell? Is You those headphones? Just one of those things you buy the kids toys store for all company. Where knows but I'm glad you. I'm glad you've sought anyway so dots anymore. Any golf questions can take gold questions. Not a problem with questions Gulf Coast. Any questions played with Craig Gulf off football both best player. Well I would have to say. It's quite tricky though. Because I was quite good but even though it was at the end of his career rid her as an who was sorry. World Footballer of the twice back in his heyday. I mean I saw when he was about four wherever it was played with them for a year and a plague on them for year highs resume as a player was astonishing. I mean great players. Zola ravin alien vitale and laughs and the list goes on But you know. He was absolutely at the top of the top of the tree at the picky his career and he was just a an unbelievable athlete with an incredible amount of talent apart from football teams as but when it comes to. He's played resume he was exceptional. Who was the West managed? Greg Railroad Hood told you that they're asking some questions and in fact the next question and I got a text message and it doesn't have to be a question when it takes halfway round by the way I never normally look at my phone right. I never noticed done. My must have played with width or against or does that is that included into question. Wave Away I'M GONNA say the most talented and best player ever played with with the Venezuelan national team. And in his best he was out there with anybody in the world. Problem is is consistency wasn't quite mistake. But I'm GonNa tell you the best along was as good as anybody in the world if you haven't seen someone told John that unbelievable the limitation Kenya's Win Cup why difference between the teams. Chicago came about me. Let me tell you. Let me tell you how all this came about. Because I'll Marino check these filling in the ninth grade while I'm telling you how it came. Keep shouldn't chain around cancer. I might be for this. Might be blaming. Feels like I'm being playing what you've been blamed because you say to me on the ninth grade and you said finally as the producer finally has been untouched. He wants me at one forty five. Am I going to make an hour well? I'm not really fast. Because it doesn't involve me. I'll I'll check my phone anyway. Go One behold either takes messages well so the final because I should. I should stick with it. Don't take your four year run. That's that's what I'm doing from now on. Not Checking on asked me a decent question. What do you think Venezuela needs to do to make the World Cup? Why is that such a difference between the teams of all have closed? What he well. He's here's the thing I think. The second part of that statement or that question is wrong. What makes comb evolve? That's competitive as it is is that there isn't such a big gap between somewhere between the teams in the bottom of the team's top and what you find is and what makes it very talent is how do you continue to get points against teams that you should be in the case of Venezuela. You would think okay. Can We beat believe you? Can WE BE PEDAL? Can WE BE EQUAL? Can we be competitive with those teams and then managed to stretch our results against empty now but as C. y? So on and so forth so Komi Joe's it's just difficult anywhere you turn? It's going to be a difficult game and difficult circumstances and so that's the part that is telling about Combo. There is no rest by there is no rest. There is no easy game and it's difficult to get three points at a time as difficult as the heck Craig as a as a former Chelsea player. Why does Craig likes to take the opportunity to talk about them? Don't Potter Neue. It's wonderful. Partnoy Steven Wilson these this day and age with all this going on. I Talk I talk. I talk about this. Each team. as an individual case An I don't talk about my lesson if he wanted to go on here and stuff going on the club journals going. Tv for for up to date and the knowledge on Monday. United Gordon Chelsea. Tv will tell you whatever his gray is supposed TV Liverpool TV. Go sign up to the club channels right. That's that's where you get those coping Bossa does. I'm not paid to do that. Never been don't see what what what problem people have with us on a lack of understanding. I'm not paid to Chelsea football club. Celtic football club or any other football club job right. If you want to hear and analysis and cheerleading going to John Pay pay US subscription going to club John News. You'll get it twenty four seven on there right here we go. I haven't done this before but why not i? It's signed voice. Ali Thirty seconds. Talk to name of the managers you played under way time ago. We got ready ups. Yes all right supposed to go. Wait wait wait. Wait for the Guy Ready. Figgy Schmidt Steve Sampson Dominic Canir see Schmidt again. Peter Novak Robing Frazier my missing somebody. Not Quite sure I would also say the national team coach says our national team coach feel like missing somebody. That's it I think I got the list. Seven coach is Craig your turn. Go Right and National Craig Brown and evokes join Holland's Dave import a field Volpi Combo. Glenn Hoddle Them Johansen. Joseph Van Gloss Jordan Bombs Jim Smith calling towards John Gregory call in Lee. Jim Duffy Hegel goods. There's a lot of stuff to coach. Had Craig Wash Court. Shahad Bob and they've got me dog committed days just lying here. He's on bought. Bought one for Gregory twice for her. Don't answer he said don't Ansaldo question. Have you developed any bad habits habits in the last couple of weeks? Too much snacking. Too much wine Craig. No I'll have to say but apart from apart from doing this during the show from from from home it's business as usual and just making sure we're taking care and done. What would always the women go to do? The the governor of Connecticut has suggested than So no not not not allow changes. I'm still snarling. The wife in front of the TV still throwing the tennis bulging the Buck Garden for the dog taking him the odd walk and having a beer at night. Bob's your uncle not much changed me living your best life early you allie. Now well the only thing that is different now was a couple of weeks ago is that I am required. Not necessarily by log on to wash my hands regularly I have to decontaminate myself anytime that. I go outside and Playing Golf when I came back. Yes I had become timing eight myself before I ever entered the house otherwise she would go crazy. This is the world we live in. Now I understand. We're trying to be as careful as we can. And at this point is best that I do listen to what she's saying and so that we can make this the best situation possible highly. Thank you very much craig. Burley thank you so much for your precious time twenty minutes. Oh my goodness thank you as well. I have a lovely weekend. We'll be back on Monday joining ESPN AFC. Today's horoscope brought to you by GEICO Kaffir coins. Today's a perfect day for romance and fun filled activities with your partner and fun filled activities. We mean shopping for car insurance. Luckily you'll find that switching to gyco could save you hundreds of dollars a year. 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.NET Multi-Platform App UI with Scott Hunter

.NET Rocks!

56:51 min | 1 year ago

.NET Multi-Platform App UI with Scott Hunter

"Welcome back to dot net rocks. This Carl Frankly Richard, Campbell. Still doing our sort of video tests the series of experimentation that represents pandemic pastimes. I like that wow! Did you just make that up to spend that I've been thinking about pancakes times a fair bit. Pandemic Pastimes. Yes, so anyway we're all in our respective places and hunkered down like you would expect but. I! Got Something really cool in a story. For better no framework, so roll the crazy music awesome. Tell the story. I Richard You remember the story. We were on a road trip I. Don't remember which one it's all a blur. But. There's been. There's been three of them right. The road trip with RV's yeah, hold the decals and everything on one of these. I got an email from this hosting provider, and I won't say who it is, but it rhymes with slow patty. Okay, okay I think people can probably figure out who it was, and they said we like your show, and we'd like to talk about advertising on it. And you and I looked at each other, and we said Yeah you. you forwarded the email to me and I looked at. We were sitting across from each other right in the RB, his driver. Even couldn't say you were hard. You said this. Look on your face, you email. I look at it and I. Look at you go. But they saw. Them. Said everything bad in the Internet right, but we do like Deanne simple. Yes, we do right. Yeah, and that was your response yet. Your reaction to that was well. Who Do we like and I'm like how am simple like they do good stuff exactly so Dan simple. A hosting provider can register domains and do DNS records, and all that stuff, and it's just so easy like it simple is the way there's no ads. There's no click. CLICK BAIT! There's they're not going to trick you into getting services. You don't WanNa buy. It's very easy to transfer domains in and out of their system like they just make it easy for you as opposed to. Although you're never gonNA WANNA, leave 'cause. It's so nice to be there. It's so nice to be there and I said this on dot net rocks before the story of me being in a security line at an airport. And actually setting up with one hand on my phone, using their web interface, which was all written go, it's very fast, and it's all very responsive, so it was easy to use on the phone setting up, I think it was male records for Google or something like that and it just worked, and I had done by the time I got to the conveyor belt, guys. Story you, then you emailed them. Yeah, I emailed them right then and there and I said I just I knew. That, they didn't have. Just sales. For Info or something like that. And I said I told the story I said. Hey, you know. We just got pinged by this other company. That does what you do and we don't like them, and we like you, and maybe you'd be interested and I remember Anthony Eden. Who Runs Dan? Simple emailing me back. He goes interesting pick. It yeah. We found the show. It's nine to, and it's from twenty fourteen, so it had to be the twenty thirteen road trip. Okay, right? So so anyway we've been. Great friends with the end simple ever since I. Mean we use them for everything? we, we occasionally mentioned them on dot net rocks, but the reason that I'm doing this telling this story is because they have something new to offer dot net developers. They have a C. Sharp Api. So. They have a rest API version two, and now they've made a C. sharp rapper for it, and so that is essentially my my better, no framework. I'll post a link for it. On the website. And essentially what you can do is anything you can do their API so it's you log in. You can get a list of domains. You can create a domain right. You can get all the records. You can add records. It's just everything that you'd want to do. To register a site into work with sites on DNS but why would you wanna do that well. If you've ever had the experience of using auto, know the azure portal. To create a to create a web APP, you know you create an web APP and let's call it blazer train. And Blazer trained azure websites dot net gets automatically registered DNS as as your virtual site. They do that by scripting DNS. Am I right Scott? You're right. Yeah, that's what they do, so you know that's just one example of why you would wanna do that cool anyway. I think it's great and I think we should all go to N. SIMPLE DOT COM. Give them our dot net love. They're not so well known in the Dot Net community more in the Ruby community, so what I rely on them, yeah, we really want to show them that we care and they were great work to his about it. They do great work, no doubt about it. So, that's what I got Richard He's talking to us today. Comment off show sixteen, Fifty, four, the when we back in September of Twenty nineteen. You know back when the world was new talking to Scott Hunter about the launch of core three. Go. And lots of good comments. Yeah, it's ridiculous to think about that the September I think we've probably shot in August. Mike. Cerny had this comment only eight months ago. He says I am very intrigued about the possibility. That frameworks like blazer flutter could make the question of client side javascript frameworks as obsolete as the com- verses chorba debates of the nineteen nineties. It is my fervent hope that flutter for Web will be replaced by compiled a native applications for Windows Lennox and Mac. Os just as it currently is for Iowa and Android, allowing blazer and flutter to become the components of the digital a. The double enveloping the javascript ecosystem, and hopefully snuffing it out as the basis of application development in the future, not that Mike has any strong opinions about this. Hey, we don't. We don't want to be mean to Java script developers. We'd like javascript developers snuff it out, but you know in my little world I would prefer to write things and C. Sharp, just having a viable alternative. I mean so many cases. We've seen folks as well I. Didn't necessarily want to choose javascript. But what else is there? You know the realistically the native Dev Experience has been struggling, and it included some cool moves going on right now. The opened up possibilities. Yep So Mike Thank you so much for your comment on copy musical by on its way the union if you'd like a copy Co. by read a comment on the website at Don, Iraq's dot com or on the facebook. Because we publish every show there and if you comment there and we read on the show, we'll copy music. Oh, by and definitely follow us on twitter. I'm at Carl Franklin. He's at rich Campbell. Send us a tweet. It's simple nice. As his registering your domain names. For. Registering domain names and C. Sharp, and not being afraid of clicking on anything because a booby trap linked to some service you actually. Get. Off Again, and then except you have to call to win, it had numbers never answered a frigate number. Then when you finally get through, so you could have done this on the website and they were lying. Not that I have strong. You're better. Had the same experience. I've giving up of like. I took a year to get all the domains off. Somebody wanted me to transfer their domain out of slow patty and I tried, and I'm not a dumb guy. Like I'm pretty smart. I can follow instructions, but I could not do it, and and if I can't do it, grandma Franklin certainly can't do it. Yeah, we're supposed to be the technical experts here and we're struggling with this stuff to. Create Obstacles and put in the are in the model of its security. We don't want people hijack your domain. That's like pretty sure you just hijacked by domain might not let me move it where I WANNA go! Strong opinions IRA. Let's bring on a man who needs no introduction. He Scott, hunter he runs dot net. Is there anything else. That's it I, mean. What do you want your the net guy at Microsoft, back guess. Good! Yeah good to see you. What is your from? Build over here so it's Kinda post spills right. Yeah, it's a hangover. Crazy week or crazy forty eight hours anyway, crazy crazy. Two weeks actually, so what we learned is we learned that virtual bills is actually more than physical bill. We we actually some of the stuff we had to do was prerecorded about two weeks before bill right right? The ship all the bits after ilk yeah. Well, now get bits few weeks before bills. And, so it's like trying to mess up to work. Two or three weeks before bill is actually challenge. then. Had a fun time we were. We were doing long version because the bill set bill talks were only thirty minutes this year, right and twenty minutes present presenting the ten minutes of questions, but we wanted to have like a traditional long one and We sat down and gone. A phone call calls heard recording. It's. On the next thing we knew we done eighty eight minutes. hallward would environments. Anything like never never had that experience before. Recording days later, and it goes to ninety minutes we'll. We'll short seventy five with the other way. It's ninety. Ninety one. But we re Celaya. Cool stuff at building I think. Amount today yeah. It seems to be the thing in the community that they're buzzing most about, but you know what, though there's still a lot of people who've never heard of it. I mean if you weren't paying attention to build. If you didn't go or didn't watch select start at the beginning. What is Maui to talk about? What Dot net now is? We need to go a little further back than just Tottenham Maui. When you talk about the vision that we have with Donald, fine indicted six. so. Along the journey where Donald were three point one now. And we WANNA unify stacks. means. Literally we cannot think of is with three point one we took. We kind of the end of three point one or three point zero. We have taken all the stuff we're gonNA take them about at framework, and we're done Ryan copy anything else in but we still have Amarin. we and is not part of the core decay, and so what need you move those? It's into dot net, and so we're calling this dot net where we take all the last. Stop that we want to put into dot net's moving forward and move a man in a breeze bunch hundred questions. Imagine one of the. Biggest framework was Kinda big. It's got of stuff in it. and there's a fear that we've heard as we talked about this one thing the last year so that Oh you're gonNa make dot net core turned to this huge hole, right? And that is actually not the intense as part of this wave. Would actually say that we're GONNA. Have a single dynasty kate. So imagine in the dot net six timeframe. We have a single dot K.. I envisioned it. Actually having inside of it is only two things are console. APPs in class library reassume absolutely nothing else. Okay just to get the you I lift stuff we're going. To call this dot net slum. Nice so I'm. Just GonNa, be sealife from now on. Nobody needs a gooey. What a waste of time I'm looking forward to doing the COO my phone. That's going to be fun. We're GONNA have the best you can ever have. Yard Library. In Dot net. Worth Terminal. Text. By twenty-five rules. Man We don't want to go keeps choking more software. We WanNa make the we. WanNa. Make it your choice. So imagine dot net add. Web or dot net add desktop or and. and so I mean. Isn't this essentially what you did with dot net core with the windfarms sdk that? You know the you don't have to have it if you don't need it. You don't have to say we ship it in the right, but if you build an application or console application, it doesn't have to carry a payload of the desktop offerings. But. I want to go further and say even as a developer. You don't have to carry all these things I mean. Here's the rally once you start trying to build a mobile into dot Nazi will guide emulators Android decays. I don't WanNa. Go and say over at ten gigs to dot net, because when ahead mobile right I really make it optional choice. But we thought the same time. If we make all the things optional. Maybe we come a little more like Java. Where the I forty frameworks aren't always the thing you think about right, you could have dot net. Add Service Stack. And you could add any third party library to be become I forty library. On, so we hope it's a trend of not emphasizing our stuff as much in letting the community actually have an easier path into being a first class citizen in a in a in the. Can I just make sure I understand? So you're talking about in dot net five. The DOT net five. Core for lack of a better word is going to be headless. The being able to add components in it. will be six feature. It didn't make the cut line, for fines. because. It's a pretty big feature right, but it means that you'll today. DUNAKOR ships with desktop and he has net built in. An space ship with just class console built in in new it just alicarte at whatever you want. Web Boxes and stuff like that. You'll get the pieces you nature so going away and Maui. Is The you I the the Ui for everything so to speak dot. Maori I for cross. Platform You I. If you want to build a single project that can target windows, MAC android and IOS. Maui is the technology for that. And this is all dot net six timeframe. Yeah, so the schedule. We have for the dining now. A project is as I said this. Is Adding to add things to the FDA. Didn't fit in fires. Right some of that way situation in the world today. I mean the rally. We're going to be a little careful not to overdo things knowing that we've got remote people don't WanNa burn out and stuff like that, so you might be conscious ordering. But the intent would be somewhere around the RC of dot net five. which is. Currently scheduled for around September. The DOT six bridge open up. Dominant six branches opened out. That's where the Malik project will show up in nats, and so I assume September October ish. You know developer can get these from interesting, so it's not that far away if you. If there's something you're really interested in and I, just want to make very clear here. Scott, you're not taking anything away right if I want. Windfarms Dot net five. There's a windfarm solution dot net five, if I want WPF for five. There's a WPF solution not at five like. My current project should work. Yes, we don't take anything away. What is making dot net Right where a developer you have to have windfarms, WPF and Zaman in Asia's dot net. If you're just going, is not applications using machine learning. You don't need a whole bunch of stuff. Make Sense. I don't want to get to a point where one day people go. Why is the underestimate one GIG? I don't want that so as you're saying. This I'm thinking that currently in visual studio when I created dot net core, three one say console APP. Am I linking in all of that? Desktop stuff. So why is why don't you just leave it up to visual studio to handle? You know what gets added. well as I said before as soon as I had mobile, that means I have to emulators in SDK's for other platforms right WanNa save if you just want to console application. You have to have two gigs of that emulator fraud and stuff like that, but you just told me I didn't have to do that. I mean today when I build a dot net core console APP. I get just what we. WERE MOBILE PROJECTS TODAY Okay so if you check Zaman visuals video, you get the android decay jolly implementation. UK requires that you get the android later. You GotTa Turn Hyper V. On. A whole bunch of stuff to Kinda comes at work. And I don't WanNa make every fifty bringing that workload, and so when I saw this, we said hey will will turn it off with the mobile workload, and then we said I've wanted to do it for all the work. Loads inlet developers choose with a bronze. Auto ways we can become more like some of the other frameworks. Where were very lightweight on you? Bring your workloads that you want in the hope is. To enable other. Frameworks on top of dot net to use the same mechanism, right? Service company than you just say in solid. The Canes Dot Net Install Service Nice or whatever command we have to do that. Could totally see that, I also get the sense that this is about Zaman itself evolving like Zaman has been this acquired product that's been in for a few years. Now clearly matured a bed. But it's always been an other thing rather than part of dot net right. We don't want to be at other thing anymore. and so that's along with this new decay style. We also want to have the exact same tool chain that people have been using for the last couple of years for died core to to able all the workloads, so I should be able to say dot net new Maui. Dot Net bills dot net run just like a coup with all the other. Project today, so we consider this to be single sdk with additive components It'll be a single BCL today. If you build azan projects, you're using the Be Right if you build A. It's core project using There's light behavior between platforms in the new world in the dot net slash six world. They'll be one BCL. It'd be real. Current dot core seal, but all dot net projects will use the exact same BC l., no matter what you're building than all your projects will use the same educational projects that we use for court today, and all have the exact same command lights will interface that we had for all the done core project. That's what we call this unification. What does that mean for Dot Net Wasim, which is its own kind of thing, and it's mono right now. Right? Well, models not going away so even in this dot net slash six wave, the runtime Buell us for a Wassim application or a mobile application will be mono. It's just they're all GONNA. Share NBC Oh okay good. Simone is really the platform whereas. Libraries But but We. Look at the Monaco run time as being the. Run, time for rang on any device that we have to run natively on. The Cross Platform CSLR which the natives CR so if you want to run iphone on device, you can't run through an interpreter, or or you can't do I'll and stuff right, so we have to be native on those platforms in so since the same kind of thing we're running. So becomes native in the browser and any APP uses native will use the mono. Runtime, and everything else will use the Donna core runtime Tyco on any eventually will get to a point where you can choose which of those run times you WanNa. See you might decide to build an. Asian and you wanted to be smallest possible and so you decided to use the you don't want it to do reflect shandor types of things for security reasons. Might use the run time, so that's something that we I don't know if it will happen in the five flesh six wave but it's something that's on our setting yourself up to be able to do that. I guess we'll see now. That Mao is actually going to be okay, so you need to build a multi-platform APP as opposed to you want to a native windows, APP or other platforms potentially native. Ui visas right. The way. I think of the Malley thing not hit Mary. You gave. Tours call it. We think of it is fifty phases of this Great Richard Me, said you know Zaman assault kits in office component, or it's an add on. Won't you get into the DOT net six wave? We're GONNA rename a bunch of stuff so today you create examine Iowa's project. Right that'll in in digital studio dot net six. That'll be called dot net. FROYO s right. When you to or Android, which is Zamara Dot android project that'll be dot net for android. if you want to build a, we used to call Zaman forums project that'll be dotted now. Right okay, and that makes sense to me what you're describing. Evolution of of Zama Informs to and I I think you're gonNA love pollution might my favorite part of the evolution if you built a salmon forms out today. So you know, you can use dot net to build these multiplatform out today. But if you finally in visual studio to create one of these, you'll end up with a project ANDROID project. A windows project potentially annual get shared class libraries well right four projects. least that doesn't feel like a unified magna that feels like you've got a whole collection of bits. And so one of the coolest parts of this. reimagined nation has reforms is in the future. It'll be a single project. Upon inside the project you'll have a resource node where you can store all the resources that will be your fonts in your icons in your images, and all that kind of stuff that can be used across all the different platforms. There'll be a another note in the project platforms. You can open up and they'll be a folder for. android windows and Mac. And inside each inside that folder. That's where you put your platform specific. Now is my next question how? I presume we're not GONNA have one code base that there's going to be you know Fios code somewhere. Just tell me where it's. GonNa live right. You'RE GONNA want to make some native something on some device I whether it's windows. I O S or Android. There'll be some point you're gonNA. You'RE GONNA WANNA make a native call and all that. Gogol platform note under the platform of choice, and I imagined that code will have the same interface for for each each platform will have a different implementation of an interface that'll be standard among all platforms if you want if you want to write a. Shared across the platforms. Yes, you could do that, but you might say that. You just have a a method. Call Fu and on Android you call some some native call for that in on Iowa, she calls native. Call for that for windows. You call some. That's do not interfacing version just his manager. I, can't so it's GonNa be a cool aspect of it, then another cool aspect of dominant Maui to me is. Today it used to be when I tried to zero informed application an application. The hardest part was giving emulators booted up getting it. bryce connected It's an device hip device developer mode is a lot of steps. In so one of the real cool things about this new unified model is. Now that fall choices when you're on a on your windows machine. Control at five at five is runs on windows. So you don't have to have any me later, you've just running natively on the platform, so your inner loop is really really really good, because you're doing it on it on the native hardware versus having to go do it on the android later. Our plugging an iphone into the gene to to do that so. Again because it's single project, you now be able to right. Click on the project, and there'll be a deploy option, and it'll give list of all of the the control target you're actually go to. Hear correctly then you're going to start testing on the windows platform I, because it's easy and quick, and you got cycle times, and at some point you're going to want to check these things against android and IOS Mac as well, but not for every iteration. Okay. Exactly. I mean. We've all done it whether you're using android studio or using Cameron. Copying out to a phone that takes a little bit of time. We have to a megs across the cable to a phone. which is, it's not fast. Yeah, Another part of this is something we've already shipped that that folks don't really allows looks having captured or picked up on his We have to technologies hot reloaded restart. And one of my favorite demos. I do these days. Is I. Take a windows PC. And I take an iphone. I played under the. Control of the IPHONE. Right I didn't install any tools on the IPHONE. Yeah I didn't do anything magic I don't have a Mac. I just played the device in and it works in at that will come over with now as well. And I think that is phenomenal. Texas Richard. Said you! On Windows I. And then when you want to try on, the device is plugged the device in on. Pot Restart reload feature and For people that don't know what it is, I it is that quick connect the ones connected I run the APP the first time. As I said before. Typically you copy a whole bunch of files or the APP to the device to get the APP running once runs the first time when I make a change. We just in the delta across the wire, so we don't have. Major Sixty megs back to the device each time you make a change in visual studio and you press Save, and we shoot the diff across the wire it quickly. We reject the on the device, and the code is run, so you can literally change the angle or change the chart for your application, envious and the refresh almost instantly. Making INTERLOOP, super, super fast, and that works today. You're speaking to me about that Ui twiddling problem. Right like you're constantly. He got to work in, but it doesn't look quite right on Ios. And you got a twitter. You is was little changes over, and over gets aggravating takes a long time if it's twenty seconds or thirty seconds you that It's aggravated and so we Carl to your question. Yeah, we have that today on today that works in Iowa. Want to believe that bring that to Andrew as well Andrew has the exact same problem, so wait a minute before we move on the android. What you're saying is I no longer need a Mac to compile. Zaman, IOS APP you're. Are you compiling it right on the phone itself? We're on the phone. Hello Hello. Early. To get to. The store. The cool thing about this is if you have an iphone. all you need to do. Is Him I tunes on your machine yet. The developer Dot Apple, DOT COM pretty developer account, which are free. Yup, and with all all rats. You can actually despite your iphone in your after in your iphone, no. Now I have a dilemma. Do I sell my Mac book? I can't so Mac and cloud. I have a problem now. If you want to publish the APP to the to the IRS. Still the. Mac for. The! But, if you have ten developers, they don't all have to know. You could have juggling a bunch of hardware where they can use whatever if they're coupled with a Mac than use a MAC news. For Mac. Here a windows developer windows in use your windows machine. And then whenever you're done with the projects and you WANNA. Publish Somebody mackel. She'd up to the store for. A moment his very important message. Hey, Carl here to announce a very special project. That I've been working on for the last month, and now it's launched its called Blazer train. That's right. It's free blazer training youtube videos. It's a complete glass. We've got five episodes up there including an interview with Steve. Sanderson and David Fowler. We're going to have new content every week. Go Get it, folks BLAZER TRAIN DOT COM. And we're back. It's Richard Campbell. It's dot net rocks. That's Carl, Franklin and that Scott Hunter Joe, and we're talk a little bit about dot net Maui and I remember from the bill. There was this sort of theme of developer velocity. and to me that, too is all about cycle time in which you've been talking about so far is shorting that cycle time that fighting quick deployed to an Ios device over and over again even though it's not going to get me to the store right away, but it will get me tweeting that you are in less time so I can get to a product that I do want to push too long pipeline to the store. Hell Jenning to the store takes weeks anyway. What's the bill time. Under a week now. To the store, so I can't tell you how long it takes, but we were dealing without with hd box stuff and and the problem is when there's an IOS update. Everybody's pushes store at once a week. But. it's agonizing developed with through that process is so slow that people avoid it like the play, or you build totally native. Right like you've you swift on a Mac like then the cycle times a little better this unified dev environment that we all want because we don't WanNa build for an individual platform we need. We need short cycle times. It's hard. That question you ask Pearl the tech is available today for Ios. We plan to bring that tech to Android as well. 'cause you know once again entering his that same problem and so our goal is to have it on all the platforms. And I'll be honest with you. While we have some pretty good tax for IOS today, I want the same attack for Blazer I WANNA for. Razor NBC owners whether he I Neil. Dot next got amazing runtime performance are interloop is not as good as it could be in that. That's an area that you'll see us. Continue to work. Improving indicted five hundred six ultimate blazer is still at the beginning of all this right like you just getting feature bleed. I'm loving blazer men. It's so effing good. It occurred to me. That you set up a model now that as new platforms emerge, it won't be hard for you to adopt them. That to me is by unifying this architecture. There's the platform I'm waiting for is the augmented reality device and I would hope it's Hollow Lens. I don't know that it's Hollow Lens. If it's something else, it wouldn't matter because you could still build out a library in the dot net six timeframe that should be able to just let us developing it, and you know as a testament to that feature. Lookit web assembly. Look how fast that came together from. Oh, no I mean you basically had a cross platform seal. You've compile it to evison Lee boom. You're done. There's still a ton we can do their. You know the Blazer Wazzan shipped. as part of bill is just the beginning. Only arts of of your application blazer whereas actually running native. Some of their on the on the device since the are on the browser, the next step for us. IS WE WANNA? Do you is wrapped? Actually tell us. What what code you want to renege? We don't WanNA. Run it on the exact. Blow the size of the APP right, but imagine you're doing math or graphing or something like that Mexican bringing after you put on AIDS and with an attribute tells us it's hint. Hey, you can make the native make a native are even better GPA, you. Yes, that was I wanted to build actually that I just dealt with the cracks was NACI. Show at vote drama script Blazer and then add the native. Attribute towards the short running. but we kind of optimized who actually ship laser? Yeah I I. I was a good choice. I mean blazer isn't currently winning any performance contests, but the fact that it's running and you're. You're not noticing any big difference with your standard line of business applications. You're not noticing the speed problem. I mean unless you're building games, which of course you know the. Model of Web assemblies the next thing right so that's ahead of time compiling. The will How does that work into the the what's native and what's not story? So we do some of that today by the way so laser Wasim is doing some not today. We're looking over our tech. So we actually went and looked in figuring out which parts of our tech were the most critical to make an APP fast on the embolism, and so we do not some of that already are hoping futures to give you as before the choice, so you can decide. Hey tell us a ot more tech as you said I don't think it matters for most if you're building a form or something like that. Matter all It's only when you want to go. Do something where you're doing. Machine, learning or a computations or Asian gaming but there's actually quite a few blazer games. Pretty good. Early on, we looked at what was the Richard and Asteroids game that was written in Web assemblies written. It's plus plus or something it was really fast, but thing right is. Take all the plus just run it inside Awazem because it's finally it see right Oh. You guys nailed the size of the of the Dot Net Wasim. The Mona CSLR is less than eight hundred K.. Think about that is we think there's more work to be done there? That was one of the. As. We're rolling into bills you know prior the biggest priority is on knocking size down was on the blazer side. Right ALL UP. People always ask this. Can you make a smaller? Execute DOTS I was one of the build long talk was we took a dot net new web, APP. And Three know three point one three hundred three point one have a feature where you can make a single exit. and we have a feature where you can turn a Lincoln on in. We'll try to throw out is much dot net that you're not using? Shake the tree. Shake the tree low bit. And Dot net new web in three one that ends up with about forty five meg file. by the way there's lots of things you can do to make that found smaller lake for example I off. The three one single executable is not the most optimal we we we. It was the first step by five has the second style so in the first APP? We basically took most of your codes stuck it in resource in in the final, and when you run the firearm. We unimpressed at resorts on a disk in Rhonda. The folder that we impress so you. You pay as cross while you do that work. In Donald, five We don't do that anymore. We can just run the executable and say you're started going to get better been unimpressed. So I showed in the long talk I took a that same on new web and I built it as a single Z.. With. Lincoln turned on and went to seventeen Max. So forty five bags of eighteen banks. If. I did decided to go and add single feature that we have time for bill. I can also compress the final and actually might even you know that's not reduce io probably, so we actually johnny ourselves wondering if that'll be faster than the non-compressed one because it's less I, O can get below ten mags which is pretty crazy That's a fully functional Donna new. Web Micro, service Ten meg self-contained, which means no doubt, machine, right We're we're. Out. But if you think that's small for the listeners. New Blazer Wasim in release mode with Lincoln turned on just like your standard countered. Fetch data whatever application one point nine megs compressed. One point nine megs. Well done you. Thank you I? Think the the team and Blazer teams for that. That's a lot of work to go into. Make those things super small but yeah I. Think you're GonNa find it. Once you have a bunch of jobs You're in the same ballpark is that you're not going to be like ten times bigger? One hundred times bigger. You're going to be in the same ballpark and you get to stay in C. Sharp on both the client and the server Pretty pretty crazy. It's amazing. Thank you We'll, get. Only done, we've done so far. I mean that's yeah, we. Make the Lincoln better. As, we go on and on feedback what they're looking for. Right. Yeah to me. It's still early days you finally. I mean part of build was shipping the assembly side of of Blazer. Album the numbers three point two. That's a lot of ADA rations before they call it. Okay, here's the first version. We, still it's in the three one s t k. it's called three point two because we have version of stuff up somehow. GonNa we're not, GONNA. core and we should. We should always be clear. We should not discount Blazer server, either. Yeah, it's great. If. You in that same thing you talked about you're talking about one point nine Nags Blade server will do it in about eighty bytes anybody. Easy Because in Blazers, server, we don't ever put a framework on the client device it is. There's no John Framework and there's no framework. Jog Script. But it's just interacted the job and do single are there's just a little little. Enough to basically for people that don't know how it works for Blazers. Serve her. We rendered the screen on the server in. We initially will ship it up to the client. When you press a button clicks action on this other device. We send a command back to the server. We run the run the screen again. We do this and all these send up is the deaths. And so in cowards will when you press that button. Tin bots fire across the wire. Go and nothing to do today, so if you want the smallest I like to say if you want a super small spa. Blazer servers amazing way to do it for go right. Everything's on the service. You don't have to make an API layer. You can just call your resources that have credentials right there from the server. It's great. The more I dug into web semi and how it works. You know people have this question about. Safe I. Don't want my code running in in the browser at C.. Sharp Code You know, but Web Assembly is actually even more secure, even more locked down than than. Java script because the code to access the dumb happens all from javascript. You have to write a Java script handler. If you're doing a web assembly APP. Not If you're doing a blazer APP because you guys have done it already, essentially, you're blazers for Web Assembly. Web Assembly is compiled code, but if it wants to interact with the dominate has to make send a message out to Java, script in the Java. Script interacts with the dumb and so. That's it. Javascript is your interactivity to your interaction gateway to the machine into the browser. It's it's. It's funny because I know all three of us have all been around for a while and we watched. Know the Java Plug Ins Running Java code the browns. We watched. You know lash. It's inactive X. And all three of those were never secure and feel like what was originally Kinda got this thing right where because we had browsers rang sandboxes already out. Putting Box. In Sandbox. From that from an IT perspective, there's just no new attack surface. Right already gave permissions for the browser, and that's all you get you get no more new I. Don't need anymore, so need anymore. The the other thing that's interesting is knowing what I know from diving into it. The that web assembly interaction is the perfect place to abstract Blazer Server and Blazer client because you're sending messages anyway right, so you just put for blazes serve you just put a signal or layer in between those messages and where the code runs. It's it's really brilliant. One crazy thing. that. We have a demo that we didn't do it bill. I Apologize Steve. Sanderson crowding we we we, we also are experimenting with. Taking the two technologies dot net, Maui and blazer emerging together while You Have A. Blazer. APPS The without this is for developers of one of your web. APPs electron style APPs. But we host them inside of a native APP. Finale APP. And so now you. Kinda Kinda gotta a blazer out. That actually has access a Wasim Blazer. Welcome out. They have access to the actual hardware based on the run time. That Maui provides. Okay. So how is this different? How's this different from the Blazer? Mobile bindings that you guys are working on? This is different because the blazer mobile bindings you can only put. Controls, inside that this is the full where. You can. You can put this thing so if you wanna, go right a razor page on its full. Well all right, so is it using web window or something else? It's using web you. Yes, that's GONNA use a web view web windows. Host of. You know in our case. It would be an GM shell, or whether you alleged select the chromium wealthier. Yet got it Then so maybe jam lost web view, and then you got your blazer running inside of the APP to it's feels like a Pwa, but it has full access to the hardware, and if you want because it's actually not now ask, you can put controls in it as well you know. Steve Sampson has an awesome demo. Where we've got native controls, we have weapons roles side by side, and they're sharing states, so she pressed the counter button on the website of Acheson. The native side. but We think that this is the. teamers kind of exploring. We call these hybrid, APPS and in a lot of. US today very hybrid where they. It's a mix of native technology and mix of web technology. Space Work, or you know maybe the data six and timeframe labeling after our developers well, so I got a business card from Steve Sanderson the other day and his title said Supernatural. Straight out of. It's just a madman type guy is. Brilliant engine to whatever's working on because he's thinking about a problem. You'RE GONNA have a year from now. Or more. He's super genius in Demo. I have never seen earth in. He did a demo with summit couple of years ago, where he basically wrote a male client on the stage, and he's fired away for an hour. Never missed a strobe never met. Sorry ice about it. He's so nice. Just WanNa kill yourself like give me a knife I want to commit Harry Kerry When you watch one of the demos you have to go back and then planet half speed because he talks so fast, it goes so fast you like. What I saw, but it was amazing it was. A couple more times to amazed to understand what just happened? But. You. On the show have him show some of this hybrid stuff that we've been playing with. I'm actually interviewing him tomorrow for a spot on Blazer. Train, which is a new free series that I'm doing on Blazer. It's blazer train dot com to up topic a short topics, right? And I want to talk to him about the history, so maybe I'll get in there and David. Fowler is going to be in that conversation because I want to hear about how he's head exploded when he saw Steve's demo in in Oslo in two thousand seventeen, but. Maybe, I'll ask him about that. History that is when they were. Their heads exploded in. My phone started ringing and. I get these calls. You need to see this. Full breakdown his failure through that together in a couple. That was the thing to kill you. Ride easy just just experimenting here. I'm not quite sure what this is going to be yeah. Well. We'll see. Something in the future, but I think we. Can do here. I can make it happen. Just, just an experiment, no big deal. Where I mean Maui clearly looks like you guys have taken a couple ago. At. How do we cake the? You is solutions forward. You've got so many moving parts now so many. Ui Stacks to try and build a unified solution with. Zamel Standard. Because it was done as standard, clearly did its job. Get! All these different flavors dot net sort of speaking each other. And then there was this conversation for while there wrote Zamel Standard. Because there's all these flavors. Zamalek had the same problem it. It kind of went away. It's It's funny. There's a there's A. Threat on still about Zamil Standards Zamel. Standard was misinterpreted by a lot of folks. The intensive Zamel Standard when we first talked about it was. There's a flavored Zamel in WPF. There's another flavor resembling you WP in. There's yet another flavor example. salmon forms. And the initial intent of Zamel. Standard was to actually make all of those dialect of Zamel at works consistently across all three of those platforms. Interpreted Donald Standard is being across platform you is. what it really was meant to be. Was Shared Zamel I. Take the same of my WPF APP and pasted into his reforms. Apple would work I can take the same damn in my youth. And pasted into Zaman forms, it would work. We did about thirty one changes I. IT'S THIRTY PLUS changes. We are changes in his animal. inzaman forums as part of Zampbell entered efforts. But it was widely misinterpreted as cross platform. You, I is what you're describing. Is What Dot Net standard to that? If you've written code that ran in Donna's standard two point. Oh, it didn't matter which dot net stack Iran Iran. So describing his completely the same concept, but I guess you got people because you I the just react differently to. It's not the implementation that's different, though it's just the standard of Zamel. Zamel it's as rich in Richard Nail that can take example for my forms APP and paste it out of you. were. Trying to make those rights come closer together, we. We never could do what we really wanted to do with it. Because it would have been a massive, we s we did. We did about thirty thirty two thirty mixes. On anything on them some massive breaking change. The Standard. Not a breaking change at all it was like here's a list of libraries where to guarantee were on all nets Zamel thinner saying here's a new dialect that works on all platforms. We didn't think that was what customers wanted. Was the basically go in? Have US make huge breaking change Zamel. So yeah, IT'S A. It's still valid if you there with with Donald now. WHEREVER REPO ON GAB on for his project, and there are people asking us which Zamil. You'RE GONNA support. Are you going to support the Deputy Zamel or the win? You are the VP slash when you Zamel or the Zimmer informal That's that's an area. We didn't talk about yet. when you think about it now, we also want to naval another thing, too. Which is why if you went right here Ui? Zamel been. It's been around for a long time. we've used across areas things Microsoft. but you know there's a lot popularity to model the patterns today. Simpler binding. Simpler tax in some cases into. We're exploring that without now as well so there's. Give two dialects building you I in a now. A ONE IS GONNA. Be examined that you know trust in one is going to be building. See Shark. a stack of you. I NC sharp. Changed clancy on the team has a project called comments. You can search from James clancy comments in in Google and you'll find that. and that will show you what it looks like to go bills on native you IMC, chart. We. Have you know he's working with a math? Worsen on our team who? Drives the direction of C. Sharp and we're asking yourself. What can we do a C. Sharp to make? That Ui that you would. You'd build using the Natives Shar. Have less. A junk around mid cleaner, so are their language changes. We've made concede sharp to make that easier dislike related link. we make any of language changes in. Able to ask. So we're taking a look at that as well. So I? Think it'd be two auctions building you, I! You know in the crown comment on get hub, and he points out that it is a model view update tool kit and other. We've really talked about MVP you at all most obviously, obviously M v M popularized arguably by silver light, but still certainly important model in anything Zamalish. Would you say about moral view update? But that's the thing about that model. If you look at it, you just change you change the variables in screen updates right? That's Kinda the gist of it. Is You know you just changed data and the platform is watching the data. And things change I like it. If you look at building out Zaman forms APP today and you want to show a bullying. You have to go write code to convert that Bouillon in bindings tax that works. In writing in Zamel. Look at a blaze. Which Carlton playing a whole bunch with you don't do any of that. You just just go and say. Out of buying the bully into the screen here and you change the value of bullying somewhere your code, and and Serena days not only that you can do conditional you. I only show this markup. Bullion expression is true which I love that, but that's razor I. Mean You know we? We've been doing that for a while? But I love it in the context of Blazer. This is an area. We're GONNA explorer and it'd be also recommends doing a show with James Clancy. 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Whats the Best Pizza Style? ft. Amanda Hesser

A Hot Dog Is a Sandwich

41:34 min | 8 months ago

Whats the Best Pizza Style? ft. Amanda Hesser

"The ramble. Roots are in Italy pizzas now enjoyed the comfort food all around the world but are all the unique combinations of cheesy big dough created equal today we discuss what's the best regional? Pizza style. Smoothly Yeah I put ice in my cereal. So what makes no sense product is a hot God forbid. Welcome to our PODCAST, a hot dogs, a sandwich, the show break down the world's biggest food debates I'm your host Josh share and I'm your host, Nicole Handy Zodda, and today we have a very special guest with US Amanda. Hesser is the CO founder and CEO of food fifty, two with community minded food publication that recently launched its inaugural show of its podcast network, the genius recipe tapes, which you can find wherever you get your podcasts. Amanda. Welcome. Thank you so much for joining us you for coming here so much for having me as I have I have more in your bio can continue to to gush over more things in your bio. I I was supplied with a bio full disclosure me and Nicole de roughly no work on this actual show and I even edited this down just the important parts in holy crap is still incredible. Hold on. vk. Amanda was also food. Editor. The New York Times magazine the Editor of T. living author of the essential New York Times cookbook, and she was named one of the fifty most influential women in food by Gourmet magazine. This is my favorite Amanda also played herself in the movie Julian Julia which is awesome. That is very exciting. One of my favorite movies I cry could be cool man. I actually played Julia Child in that movie. I could see that definitely. People. They've called me a meryl streep type. You know like I in the sense that I can kind of transform myself into roles but. Anyway ended today, we are talking about what the best pizzas style is. Obviously a topic that has many different routes. It can go I think we should all just start with our own sort of answers and go from there short many want to take it away. You have the floor sure thing. Well, I'm going to start by just talking about the regional pizza that I grew up with, which is called forge pizza in Pennsylvania old for just like a little. Sliver of a neighborhood in Scranton Pennsylvania and they are known for making pizza. It's actually they're kind of like two players on that. Really, kind of bars that made pizza and they make them on sheet pans. So it's a it's a sheet trae pizza and you get you get re tenure pieces and it's the white pizza is actually still, and then there's a layer of American cheese which fascinating be a big fan of on this a white American or like the good stuff flight, and then it's I. Think some people might put probe alone but I'm pretty sure it's just straight up American and then. And then it's Rosemary Dr Rosemary. So it's not even fresh rosemary and like oil and salt. So it has kind of like. Quotas I approved some like had a Roman, pizza? Bianca. Done Berry like American south on the Chicago version of that. And then there's also a red version but the white is white people really go to forge four and you know. For, as long as I can remember, people had to like wait in line to get in who decided the dried rosemary on the weight. American cheese is my favorite. What would set off this American cheese sending me for a loop? I've never done dried Rosemary on pizza for. And also I love. The old is one neighborhood in Scranton like a sliver and that they have developed their own regional pizza style and that's what I think is so cool about regional pizzas styles they seem to just develop from literally like two restaurants that made it, and that kind of you know becomes known. Yeah. They were across the street from each other and they were like rivals it was like rival high school's rival pizza places. And then no one really I mean I didn't know of any other places that made it but it's like they you know all the business in town. Nicole I. WE CAN. We can jump back and forth, but I'm interested in your answer. It's very simple. It is Grandma Pizza I. Love I love the dough I love the sauce I. Love The crispy little edges I love everything about grandma style pizza and gets what is grammar and style pizza. Well, I have a sheet in front of me and I can explain exactly what it is. We're I'm going to do in her Vadim. Square rectangular pizza that has been cooked in an olive oil coated pad it is covered in a thin layer of Mozzarella cheese and in an uncooked canned or fresh tomato sauce. Specifically Long Island thick crust and crispy oftentimes that she's goes directly onto the dough and the sauce on top. Okay I know what you're talking about because they've had it up to you know pizza pizza supreme which is right near Madison Square Garden in. New York. City and served known for its like Classic New York Style Pizza. GRAMMA. Pizza. That's really good I. Just love the way that she's kind of creeps up on the top and gets all crispy and delicious, and then you fold it over on the super soft. Gupta cheese. And it reminds me a lot of Pizza Hut pizza in that is like a k key super soft pillow, Edo and then it's this beautiful like clean sauce and then the cheese and then I don't typically get toppings on it. I just do dough sauce cheese and a little bit of Parmesan and a little bit of Chili Flake and I'm good for the rest of the week we have a combined to total trips to New, York you and I Have to New York, I have been to New York. City twice. So we're both coming at this move very disadvantaged angle. That we both grew up in California which I think a lot of people would say like does not have a distinct pizza culture except for the fact that California style pizza is my answer for the best regional features. Like what's the story behind and I've never been to one but I just know of it California Pizza Kitchen. Is Tough is our church. Where we prayed to the barbecue chicken pizza God's. Show on. VK, which I believe is it's actually very sad. Is Bankrupt. and. They actually went to auction and they had no interest buyers. Is Likely on the way out Amanda, I don't know you know food fifty, two greater aspirations, but y'all want to buy the California Pizza Kitchen I think you can get it as distressed asset for pennies on the dollar. So is my official pitch to you for that the people a mythical they sure we're not into that idea. Go to whole Pitch Deck California Pizza Kitchen has a very incredible story behind it the person who created the original menu. His name was Ed la Do, and he was actually handpicked by Wolfgang. Puck to start the pizza program at Spago US working at a restaurant in the bay area called Prego and a lot of people sort of trace the modern fancy topping pizza's to Alice waters shaping these wood-burning pizza oven they put you know figs and start and all that on it and so. This dude. Do was plucked by Wolfgang Puck he went to SPAGO. SPAGO did the famous Peking Duck Pizza with the hoisin which is still on the menu and they have the smoked salmon pizza also created a barbecue chicken pizza there. So to investors looking to start a restaurant stole Edmundo, he's only twenty seven years old at the time stole him from Spago and they launched California pizza kitchen with this idea that you can put like crazy wacky toppings on pizza. But for me, it's that movement of like. down. What makes a pizza a pizza? Then build it back up again into a product that's greater than some of its parts is what makes California style? The best because I don't think there would be a Nancy Silverton and Mosa without the hard work put in by California Pizza Kitchen. Wow I didn't know and asking that question is going to get such like a thorough history. The. Dome. Amanda. That shaped who was known more for like the grilled pizza. Kind of grilling it over you know would fire and. That was the whole kind of like romance of California Cooking I. Think California Pizza Kitchen like Ebola do specifically took this sort of. Idea of that like rustic wood fired thing and they almost like pop culture fight it like Oh people seem to like this different thing being done in California with pizza we are going to sell it to the masses by shoving barbecue chicken on it because like I mean shape and he's obviously I mean they're the dish that I best know them for is figs on a plate which I think who was a critic that? Knocked him for that and I can't remember who it was but mean, they were all about you know very much the simplicity of cooking instituting i. think the bones of the fusion food movement with California cuisine and like all the great chefs that came from there David Leibovitz Jonathan Waxman, all these people But yeah to me like there would be no CBK without shaping these and there would be no Nancy Silverton Mosa without CBK. ARRIGO see? PK is the best I'll. But it sounds like there is soon to be no CK so like if you were to revive it, what would you do? It and bring it back to life and make it thrive. Sometimes the Phoenix needs to stay buried in the ashes. I don't think CBK necessarily needs to come back because other people have taken up the mantle and literally right before I started recording. This Nicole goes you're GONNA, you're gonNA bring up neo, Neapolitan Pizza Argument House, like you Dang right I am. So right now there's a really cool movement especially from La. Pizza allows thinking Daniele Ud at pizza which has caused a lot of waves who are taking very legitimate sort of neopolitan techniques I think he's like a fourth generation Psa Olo and he's taking that and he's you know creating pies with Mexican Therese Oh. Grandma. You have guys like Zach pollock, Costa Bona who are doing you know smoked pineapple on their pizzas that are made with you know a seventy, two hour dough and whatnot. So I, think you have a lot of people who have taken up the spirit of California style pizza that is sort of just broken down the rules of simplicity and purity because Neapolitan pizza is something that. You know this literally a whole guidebook on what it needs to be the to be considered neopolitan. The crust can't be more than three and a half centimeters tall and all that, and so California took the best of that and then broke all the rules and said, screw you here's a smoked pineapple pizza and I. Love Them for that. Yes. CBK has a frozen line Amanda. 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Save up to a thousand dollars on the new three, sixty smart bed plus smart adjustable base. Only it sleepnumber stores by visiting www dot sleepnumber, dot, com slash cadence. And out in the Hamptons and it's unlike kind of fancy store there is there were t shirts that said Pineapple on Pizza Person And I. Know that. There's never been me. Are you won't be on pizza person was our first podcast. Young is if a pineapple belongs on pizza and we both were a resounding. Yes. Well, we you're up again. It's. So it's such a regional thing because we didn't grow up with you know what I'd call like a pizza culture. You know pizza is you go to costco you get seven hundred calories slice of floppy wet cheese and that's pizza. So we didn't have these like you know Brooklyn. pizzerias at our disposal. We had C- PK. So we didn't grow up with any of these rules. So for us, it was like Pineapple on pizza. You know why not I think you have to come at it from an angle I why not as opposed to why? Yeah. Agreed I love Pineapple lumpy thing. There's tons of different realities that put you know you go to Sweden there's actually A. Persian Armenian, Swedish pizzeria in Glendale. God. Bless the Greater Los. Angeles area. And the dude makes the pizza that is very common in Sweden has banana and shrimp on it and curry curry powder open industry and curry powder. Yeah. It's Ok does it do I personally enjoy it? No, it's kind of gross. down. But it's one of the things that based on where you grew up. It's just if there's no initial rules coming into it saying you shouldn't do this. Then you Kinda just do it people enjoy those flavors gets propagated and passed on I. think that's one of the coolest things about pizza. Not Ever put on a pizza. Kiwis Q.. Is that's been Kiwi. We both went to key wish he main I think any sort of tropical fruit other than high apple women's Pineapple special in that I don't know I think it's because I was conditioned that way so. I kept kosher in my household for a long time. So my pizzas. Pineapple Onion Jalapeno those are my fun toppings and so I think I'm just conditioned to enjoy pineapple mango on pizza makes my head hurt the idea of that just seems wrong Kiwi seems wrong Papaya seems wrong strawberry fruits certain fruits cannot be on pizza I mean it's funny. You having that strong reaction to that I I live to Italian roommates in college and their strongest revulsion to anything on pizza was chicken. which to me makes a little bit of sense. They were also incredibly anti chicken on. Pasta. Because they're just like you have the pasta that's separate you have the pizza that separate then you have your meat course you have your sick on. and. So for them kinds of meat on pasta but I think they're like. Kind of accent accent meets. Like heavily flavored like Gwen Shah is different. Yes. SPEC like those things are adding different kind of character and flavor to a pizza chicken. You know which should be like a main protein they were I cannot tell you how confused. I don't I don't want chicken unmarried or my past But at the same time I can't really explain why again it's conditioning was just because it never was and so therefore, I feel like it never should be and actually my sister when my sister was became an exchange student in Germany and her her host family to. Feel. Welcome. They decided they're like, let's server pizza when she arrives they served or pizza with pineapple on it, and she like immediately called home it was like I want to. Know. Where they got that idea, I. Don't know maybe CK he could have been the pineapple and pizza it was started in Canada but then it gradually moved to Australia where it was literally for a long time the number one pizza topping in all of Australia. which is literally supplanting more than Pepperoni, which also most people from Italy seem to have a strong revulsion against like American style pepperoni. Pepperoni I do now I just like the little cups you know the Little Cups that? When it comes. Time with Brownie Pizza. Yeah. Is it a prince? Prince Street? Prince Street pizza print. Prince Prince Street pizza is at the spot in like Deep Brooklyn Oh never now, I, don't think of. As. Far. As. thinking. You've never. Go out there. Out there you don't have you're gonNA. Get. Club. Club in La. When The pizza the pizza alot from Lucarelli in. Brooklyn. was came out to La to a pop up i. mean we stood like in line in the rain to get there before my publicist girlfriend who much snuggle through the line in God's in but. That's kind of part of the experience sometimes cut. That was really. Brooklyn I mean I. Have I have nothing but respect for despite on my pedantic rantings about California style pizza like the you know Brooklyn New, York thin crust big floppy slice. It's very sturdy on the bottom to me is kind of the platonic ideal of what a slice of pizza should be. But maybe I'm romanticizing that because I grew I've grown up in California my whole and I've never had that sort of endemic experience in New York. The closest thing I got to that was mulberries. Pizza. Ovaries Pizza with that. Oh. It's like New York style pizza in the streets of beverly. Hills Larry if you ever come here, just try it and then tell me how you feel about it because that's the only experience I've had with new Excel Pizza Yeah 'cause I've never gone. Again 'cause I've never been able to get it get a reservation but what do you make? What do you make of Mota? So, Mozart for me might be pound for pound the best pizza in La. I probably said like nine different restaurants and people ask me what the Best Pizza L. is but I think if I really think long and hard about it I think Mozart is the best pizza in Los Angeles I. Think what? Nancy. Silver did without dough recipe is like some form of Alchemy. It is so sturdy and so has this delightful glutinous Poland chew to it, but it's so incredibly thin but it's not like a good neopolitan pizza a apparently you're supposed to like eat from the inside out and it's a little wet on the bottom and that's kind of part of it but this takes all that beauty thin crust super high heat Neapolitan Pizza and just makes it like steadier and apparently I've read some interviews of her talk show recipe and she was like, I just broke all the rules that Italian said not to do like I. You know put milk in it. I used you know a an incredibly hard flour in all this stuff and so she you know kind of. Can Even Try Yogurt in the original recipe. That's sounds that makes sense. At the protein structure a lot of sense to put Yogurt and pizza, and then I mean also you know she has this great relationships with somebody local farms in. La and so she gets all the best produce. So you know they have their the Squash Blossom Pizza Hut that yeah I didn't like it when I went it was Tell You why? And it was too oily. I love oily pizzas I do not put the Napkin on the pizza to take off the extra oil it was it was so oily insult was like. It was. Supposed no, it wasn't the don't. It was everything on top of it was like soup. It was like maybe five years ago to be honest it's been a while I should give it another shot Nancy I'm gonNA come by and give it another shot but to be honest my favorite pizza. Could actually close it was called Soto. My favorite pizza and the whole entire world. It was gorgeous. It had this black leopard ing around the crust. The sauce was perfectly. Yankee. And just like the most beautiful dollops of cheese on it and I thought that was my favorite pizza by far was Soto that's neo neopolitan. So they the oven at Soto actually reached over a thousand degrees. Thing. Yeah which again, most people say that's hot. But again, Kelly pizza coming in see PK, opening up that rule book let's Cook Pizzas One thousand degrees for literally like forty five seconds and pulling him out and so incredible and now he's doing like Brooklyn style thin crust pizza with Super Fina Yeah. They do the Pepperoni I. Yes. That was very good pizzas. That it's the chef from Sotos. Name is Steve Sampson. You kind of took this Nepal dough recipe that he used to just you know make these personal style pies, thousand degrees any basically took that same dough, and now he's doing like big old floppy New York takeout pizza and it's it's really incredible. It's a really Great Britain aside. Called Super I have a whole list of wrecks for when you get out to La. Twenty Twenty One and twenty four. Yeah. Living living in new. York I. Mean Do you have like a lot of opinions about pizza from your experience or you still is your heart still in the Scranton White? Pie. No I. I'm pretty like like all pizza I'm. Pretty happy when ever there's pizza in front of me for a long time. So we live in Brooklyn Heights. And for a long time we first moved there. We used to go at least once a week to chronologies. So Dorsey, like they couldn't get in anymore and so and then. They're like solar and has some lawsuit, and so now we just don't go anymore at all, but that was like a great. Classic like New York Style Pizza. Yeah, we gotta to Roberta's now. Then we started how you know we're serving pizza nomads, but don't do the place where I have to go like wait outside and line It just feels like I don't know kind of takes away from the the joy of a piece of to me she feels like it should be easy like yeah. Like work super hard for but so I I did. When I worked I worked in Italy. At a at a bakery palled four, no Campo de Theory in Rome, and actually we're known for their their meter pizza meter meter pizza. Pizza talk with the sixers. Yeah. So it's like scissors. It's literally like it's at probably like eight to ten eight fail eight inches wide, and then a meter long, and you we we we baked that image spanked in the Radovan. So the ideas that you get these kind of like long slabs can go deep into the oven and then be pulled out easily and then snapped on and people would wait in line for that. But it was like it was the line Lou. quickly, we're just like getting it to go and it was it was like a pizza it was a two kinds of Roseau Bianca, but it was not the way the old forge way he's like pizza, Bianca was literally just like kind of salt and then the the Roseau, which is really guide on was just crushed tomatoes with a little salt on an oil and that would just basically be brushed on top but I was thinking about it when you were talking about. Nancy. Saying that she's breaks the rules of dough making because. I noticed that sometimes when they were making the dough They would if they had extra egg whites leftover. From making. Pastries and other things they would just awesome into the Dow and I. In fact it happened I was always intrigued on that. because it seemed like an unconventional. Detail that's really interesting I. I do think there is some degree that as Americans I mean who grew up with Repin American cheese on Pizza Repin Pineapple on Pizza Barbecue. Chicken. Pizza. I think we do tend to kind of finish is this idea of simplicity and other cultures you know like we read an article on you know some some website that goes like in Naples they never do x. to their dough and we kind of take that is true and then when you're actually there just like now yeah, we got extra egg whites who throw in the. Room and They have the discipline to like like not throw. Dr Rosemary. Anti. Pizza. Unanimity. They just like you know how to keep it simple. I. Also think like the flour there in the water there's different and you get this. The does they're just so much more supple than American does maybe Nancy like uses the important flower something or legal lowered wooten flower but. Yeah I do think that like the crests in Italy are it's hard to hard to compete with what they. are able to produce in in the local environment, and then even when you're importing those ingredients to the states whatever you know the flowers literally like kind of dying like they're not cooking with live flowers term. Pizza LSU's. In. Did Oh, with the cheese and everything we actually went to a local mozzarella producer in California out in the kind of inland empire in farm country and he was talking about these Italian pizzerias in A. and how they want to import everything from Italy. Even though he's like I have he's like I'm Italian I have been making cheese for thirty five years. My son's my beautiful Italian volleyball playing sons. They'll make cheese to my cows are less than a mile from where the milk gets siphoned off into the tank and gets put in the in the into the you know to the factory to to make the Mozzarella. And he's like you know what they're doing Italy it's it's nothing different and you're worsening the product by importing it. You know he's like this the the whole key to why all the ingredients are so good is because everything is locally farmed in processed right there and so this kind of cool memory it was like I am Italy like it's the knowledge you're seeking What was his name? I didn't go with. Thrilla. Was He was a pizza restaurant in L. A. That tried his Mozzarella on the pizza and said like this is much better than the stuff that's imported but we're going to import it because then we can say all ingredients imported from Italy. and. It was kind of like really like I. Don't know kind of shameful metaphor and it was whack. Yeah that's unfair. This kind of adherence to old standards like are you making the best possible or are you doing this? Because he think people pay premium people will pay a premium people like foreign foreign foreign things around here. We've got to go to Italy though I've been to Italy. Italy you're never been in New York but you've been Italy. What went like four years ago frame it yeah was really fun. Amanda we're banking on you taking us on a field trip to Scranton and Italy the two cultural capitals even. And Italy. The. Kicker. I do love the kind of influences of Americanized products especially, prosecute we were on instagram live. Recently, you know how much I love processed food and fascinated by it. But the old pizza reminds me of Saint Louis Style Pizza. Which I think we've talked about the best regional pizzas I think Saint Louis Style is the worst regional pizza. And again, I've picked fights with too many cities say Louis Fine. They got their spare ribs, their chilling they have toasted Ravioli I. Love Me Toasted Ravioli but Saint Louis style pizza is actually on unleavened crust. A cracker which. To the chosen people like us, we call that Mozza. And we grew up eating mott's pizzas on Passover. And so in Saint Louis, they do not live in their crust and they just put process cheese called Preval, which is kind of a white American and so to me. I don't know if the best is we got a couple answers in in in the chat right now but the worst for my money saint. Louis. You're trying to make it bad. Yeah. I think that's just the Saint Louis Aesthetic. Bullied your. Official closing remarks after we just ruined Saint Louis everyone from Saint. Louis please go give us one stars on I. Actually, don't the five stars don't do that. It hurts me. Nicole's feelings the final answers I'm sticking by California as the best change their mind I'm not changing my mind. Sorry. Amanda, you're well I. Haven't really experienced the California pizza now I'm I'm happy with my New York Pizza. You know I think we're all cleaning to our region. COME OUT TO LA COME TO WE'RE GONNA give you a Burbank style pizza. And stuff despite the frozen hot cheetos and pineapple on it you're gonna live okay great awesome. Nicole and Amanda. We've heard what you and I have to say now it's time to find out what other wacky ideas rattling around there and the twitter verse at Stanford Segment Lico Opinions. How. Do we get worse at saying that? We over week I if you're better and I'm worse than we very melodic voice. All right Nicole you kick it off. Okay. Why. V. L. Underscore one says soup is not a meal. I do not agree with that soup is definitely a meal. Have you ever had a French onion soup or clam chowder that's a meal big old bowl of fun. That's that's GONNA. Leave you feel like it was a meal bay global. How do you feel about soup as a meal? Amanda Oh Sorry I. Do into I was sort of like, yeah I agree with you. Like I've always liked hungry half half soup. But when I thought about like or something like that yes you can definitely be a meal. You just have to you have to see the right tubes correct suit means many things I. Think I I don't believe soup exists. I don't believe. So I think the definition of soup is too broad. What have you ever heard like a biological taxonomy talk about how fish don't exist? No. What do you mean? What are you talking about? Is Too broad to actually be descriptive of any actual category of animal. Therefore, it means nothing same soup because the difference between a little shooter of Gas Baccio at a wedding that's a soup and a giant. Honk. Kong Bowl Rahman that's too broad. Soup doesn't exist. That's my. Jade underscore I am are. Bubbly is superior to Croix in that the flavor is stronger. No all. Taste. The same spin drift it's all a scam except for spinning. Actual fruit juice in it that I enjoy and. I. Actually I can't really speak with our since I've only had not the other one. But I've had lots of spendthrifts. It definitely stands out all the other ones taste sort of fake. It's weird they do but apparently, yeah, the Lacroix key lime I'm drinking the key lime literally tastes like Vanilla Pie fell into a pie factory. It's very odd. I'm still going to drink it but they use the term naturally essence on the Kreutzer. Also the word natural ingredients list. Super. It's like a signal that like it's definitely far from natural. Yes. Yeah. There's a big movement to try and ban the word natural food packaging because seventy percent of respondents said they associated the word natural healthier. And there's just no legal requirement to use the term natural although skippy natural peanut butter. I love fuster the Peyton says, Popeye's is greater than raisin kings. No question have you had raising cane's before it's isn't regional and It's all it's. I. Think it's a Midwest regional. The whole thing is fried chicken tenders. So literally, all they have are like chicken tenders, fries and like Cain sauce in Brady Texas toast. Yeah. It's a very bass. Fell Brown food. Yeah. Literally, stage will give you like a cup of like the the most wilted wet coleslaw that's heating from the fries sitting on otherwise all brown I prefer Popeye's decanes all day every day raising cane's to me is the most overrated regional fast food restaurant I like it pains me to say that I, like Zach's B.'s great order burgers perfectly find love me some Taco, John's all this stuff but raising cane's to me, they're cain sauce has celery a ton of celery seed in it and I cannot stand the taste of celery celery seed, celery root, any of that. So that's on me. Pretty CELERY AND MIRA? Yes you have you and Josh you're the same I love celery in my mirror Pau just like it's kind of like better I? Don't know it just doesn't like metallic I don't it doesn't. It doesn't add anything positive. What do you think agreed I? Don't it? Wrong it feels wrong to nothing but celery and my airport. Sometimes, you know I'll do a little SA- Fredo and put the green pepper. But like no I need I need celery I need that like weird metallic bitterness throughout. Making. A. Gross give me the bad taste a little bit of bad taste. Good tastes tastes gooder. Why have we talked about the idea of putting poo smell and perfume so much legally. As well vomit. Whale vomit makes the other things smell more delightful. So celery makes the other foods tastes better. The argument like drinking and Negroni before a meal it's like this tastes so bad. You need to get the taste out of your mouth. We both love to I think. Yeah our favorite team. We once had a like a cocktail our out in the parking lot with the whole company and they hired bartenders to come in and Nicole and I for some reason. We're GONNA throw you a party in the parking lot. Oh, you know they got a bounce. House Amanda you Nice Parking Lot in Burbank got the best parking lot and all of the Northeast San Fernando Valley Trust. The we we made in. GRONYEA's in. Delhi Cups Yeah and just nursed a giant Nagorny, the whole day, and it was lovely day I took a nap in the mountain. Did I was in there for like twenty minutes. No one notice. Okay. I did it was really Where we ask Jade I E R G grilled cheese dipped in homemade applesauce is so good. Yeah it's like a it's like a dirtbag cheese. Like. The you get the what's the quince jam a member, the member yet the Manchego that little rustic farm bred. This is just that this is the old Ford style pizza of an Italian. or Spanish late I'm into me and. Shaking our heads. No Bro you spend all the time like Christine girl cheese to get like the perfect Christmas. Then you just make it soggy with apples with applesauce. applesauce. Specify. Eating those things like at the same meal. But like you know you're going to have like the separator on the plate we'll do dipped because I've never understood tomato soup and grilled cheese I. Very. Much. Catch up I. Dammit. Grilled Cheese and. Tomato Soup but yeah. He's ruin set like. Much the pleasure of the grilled cheese, it's not that the flavors don't go nicely together but it's like you crispy crunch. We we've talked a lot about my favorite texture in food is something crispy that has been ruined with something soggy like at. The crust chicken Parmesan, for example, like when I make chicken parm I d like to leave like three percent of the edges uncovered in sauce. So you do get some of that crispy but I love like a fried thing soaked in a wet thing. That's my actually regional pizzas, styles, Pizza Montana from Naples. It's a fried pizza then slathering sauce and cheese so they cook it like wet. neopolitan wet brush. Matz. So it's like fried but wet fried but wet that's my favorite texture. Sound appealing. You Watch me dip a Cheeto Fried Jalapeno popper into a caramelized cremate. Shoddy, surprising. A navy says eggs are amazing and versatile. This is a good opinion, not controversial green not contravene Jesus food not about opinion eggs or my favorite thing to eat all the time eggs all the time. Photo Mojo measuring cups in measuring spoons can both measure wet and dry things I defer to Amanda. because. I used them. For both. A navy they're. All. Exposes frauds right. Sure. Yeah I I don't actually I think it's eight ounces of volume I think that. It's not working. Thank. Is the same world around that makes actually no. A pint in a pint in Australia is literally twenty ounce smell. There you go. You know that I do get a pint of beer in Australia. Sixteen ounce say twenty dollars beer. The WHOA WHOA. I thought you said a boat because I thought a boat was a unit of beer in Australia because if you look up Australian beer units, there's like fifteen of them and they all mean something different. It's like Oh you you mini schooner it's like I'd just like a cup of beer police. So I yeah. I'd use any measuring cup to measure anything I. Suppose the biggest issue in measuring anything is we have gone through this recently with trevor who you met yesterday or budding stand up comedian he will measure flower recipe and it, and then I'll do it on camera measuring the flour in it always ends up different and I'm like Trevor How do you measure your flower like packing and scraping? Sifting and then scooping and he's goes like I duNNo. I measure it how they measure it and I'm like well, I need to watch you do it then because our things have been turning out differently. Sleep. But I actually don't think that that that does work well. I always wished my flower and then I take a spoon drop it into a measuring cup and then and then scrape it off which. One could argue is highly tedious and it is but I I think that we have better bits any. Way Your dry ingredients but I don't really. Restaurants don't have. To? Do All your se's come into the grams on. I'm like Nicole trend was. Okay gristle. MIC. Thorn Buddy. Says Earth yet? That's a name pickled carrots are better than pickled cucumbers. That's not true at all. No way no way pickled green beans of the king. Chick. It's like two different species right? It's like carrots. pickled Karen has like you value for it's like the the sweet. Sweet. Tangy and then with a cucumber, it's like more about the refreshing Tangy. So like I don't think you can compare them and what does the functionality of your pickles Sir i Don Gristle mic thorn. Their Irish mic thorn money. Yeah it all depends what like the function pickles it's like my. Favorite pickle maybe is I. mean the Vietnamese pick familiar with unbutton me like doce, which is you know the dicon and caring but the carrots you gotta Rub him with assault to get like really break them down. That's my favorite pickle. But yeah, again, pickles at different different utilities. Alina Dot Lynn sandwiches or just deconstructed salads in between bread I will say. I am fascinated by the idea that you could have a salad and a sandwich that contain the same macronutrients, carbs, fats, proteins, the same amount of bread and meats and vegetables yet one is a salad. Sandwich as and if you took a, you know a tuna salad sandwich and you chopped it up and you toasted the bread into Croutons and then you put it on a plate, suddenly a salad and not a sandwich. I am fascinated by it. The Salad Sandwich Paradox. This is some big brain stuff. This person. Went to college. This is crazy. I think it might work for some sandwiches and then picking what about like the Hammond Butter? Sandwich. That's salad me butter salad. The butter is addressing the hammer protein and bread. Technically I'd argue comes from wheat, which is a vegetable. But I do think and especially when people are I mean you know I growing up in Orange County so many times you're the phrase I'm being healthy I'm mortaring salad, and then I love looking at like the TGI Fridays Salad Calorie counts and like you know the Fried Chicken buttermilk salads like nineteen hundred calories. Fried Chicken buttermilk. Words I call them. Naughty. Salads. Less, opinion marshmallow Dan says chocolate cake is better when you shake pepper on, it cuts through the richness. Now, do you think they're saying black pepper or pepper because I used to work at a chocolate store and we had this amazing chocolate bar that had guadagno and Prestia chilies ground into it and I would make a cake with that chocolate bar shaved over the top at boy Oh boy was that a delicious experience so I do agree that like putting a dash of pepper or like dash of like cinnamon and a chocolate can definitely cut through the richness but only if it's those two black pepper. Pepper corn said some really great like pink pepper. Corn Essentially Pink. Popcorn chocolates of course, I've done really gorgeous but even any pepper corn or or Chili pepper really. Well, if I even like a little bit like. I had a really desert at Providence don't know if you've heard of it. Two Michelin Stars over the pastry chef did a really cool dish that was mustard flour and panic CADA. Slate horseradish to cut through. I'm into it. Pass on the pepper. No one's forcing you know one's at handed pepper, and on that note, thank you for listening to a hot dogs. The Sandwich. Amanda thank you so much for joining us. Where can we hear more of your food opinions and please plug plug away on the new podcast network or anything you want? Oh, great. Yeah. Please subscribe and download. The genus recipe tapes, which is our newest podcast and and please come check out through to dot com also at thirty two on on Instagram TIKTOK. All the socials and Yeah. Come with us. We'll do that I am a huge unabashedly a fan of food fifty two I have been reading three years and so honestly, this is a huge pleasure having you on. Thank you. So thank you. It's been great hanging out with you. 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Ep 2.45: FC Tulsa HC Michael Nsien on roundtrip career & developing more black coaches

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Ep 2.45: FC Tulsa HC Michael Nsien on roundtrip career & developing more black coaches

"Guy Sam's army episode two point forty, five, welcome back great to have you and great to have a special guest here. We have kate coach. Of the US Sales Tulsa FC Tulsa Michael Essien how you doing Michael. I'm doing all right. It's been a an interesting few months to say the latest. We were talking before. Show is been interesting few months interesting few years interesting few weeks like I don't even know window like really stay. The interesting shits really wants today even. Don't know. Know No, that's really all I. Know Yeah, well, so let's get into some interesting stuff before we do actually give people real quick overview You are so you are a Tolson born and raised. You from from from birth, you're Oklahoma Texas, a Tulsa, Oklahoma guy you. Soccer's taken you around the world. Though you. You played Obviously in college went to Dayton. You played for the Nigerian youth national team played other places like outside the US came back and played for La in Portland here in the US, yes, then you've been a a like basically coaching for like a decade at this point, and it's brought you full circle all the way back to Tulsa where now the head coach of FC Tulsa. That's GONNA. That's an interesting story. You got right there. Yeah, you said it full circle, so I'm just just really quickly I'm I'm a kid from north also just north down. You know and it's highly unlikely that someone like me gets involved in soccer full Oklahoma's football. Heavy crazy, but Then the been the son of a Nigerian immigrant. You know I'll soccer from the get go so I've had some fortunate experience to come outside at Tall, said and see the world, and you know. The coast of the US eastern wasn't college and now I'm back home and I'm happy to be here. Yeah I was GONNA I was GONNA? Ask at some point high yet ended up with soccer. The son of Nigerian immigrant I guess that's pretty much. The explains it right there. In fact, that explains some of the other stuff we're going to get into as. Well now before we actually get into your career. Which is interesting story in and of itself, and in? The the interesting story of soccer in Tulsa, which is also interesting and a little bit deeper than probably a lot of people really realize outside of Oklahoma We'd be remiss to not at least a John what the heck is going on in the United States right now so the last week. interesting to the least but particularly so for you, so you are one of the very few black head coaches in the upper levels of US SOCCER So. What. You know I could. Just sort of let you lead this discussion like what from your from your perspective? The last week? What what has it been like? What stands out at this point? Yeah, I brought back a few weeks. It's it's been really heavy onto. Say the lease. Over the last few weeks, starting with the MoD armory in that situation and ending here with George It's been a lot to deal with obviously. Deal at the same time, Dylan with a DEMOC- and Dan. Cooped up in our houses and things like that so gives us a lot of time to reflect on all these things and brings a lot of things to the forefront so. For me, a lot of the interesting things is you know being a father also having young impressionable. Nine almost twelve China explain to them a lot of things that are going on so. For for me, being a a guy from also I've lived this. You know I'm from what we call. Black Wall Street. We had a pretty significant incident that happened in Tulsa and I grew up on that street I grew up on Greenwood's I'll have an element of of of not just knowledge, but pride in the era that I come from in his historical significance in terms of of the black community, so it's kind of a badge of honor, and just like coaching from me, being in Tulsa Tulsa in coaching for Tulsa, the same so is, it's been quite a challenge, but at the same time I'm fortunate that I have a platform to speak from. Yeah, so you mentioned Black Wall Street. I knew just you know a little bit about that coming into this anything that. You know sort of involves the word massacre. All Fun and Games but so. What was black wall, street and happened here. Let's go through that incident. Real quick. Yeah, well it. It was an area of I may not there was grocery stores there a private planes though our movie theaters there. Were you know it was its own? Infrastructure where the dollar speculated itself, six six or seven times, four left the community. Winding, so it was sustain. You know so And there was an incident that you know a lady. Accused a guy of harassment or something? You know it just triggered a you know basically a mob to come into that area, which was authorized by the police in on those things and basically. Bombed its own Sun City you know in terms of Tulsa being also you know so. A lot of lives are laws would ultimately all the all of the businesses were led devastated and in burt buried. So you know it's It was is not always taught in schools, but you know if you're from where from you have a a big understanding and on it just recently was changed from a race riot a race massacre which I think better describes what actually happened in our love, the term riot in how it affects, and you know with protests, and how things get lost in words, but it was a massacre. Wasn't it wasn't? It wasn't a riot, right? It's interesting how the words words matter. So I I saw on twitter. You know you're out. On the streets voicing your opinion, like a lot of people this week. Obviously What was it like doing that on? A STREET WILL GREENWOOD STREET RIGHT? Was that link extra point that sort of bring home anything like has have. We made progress over the last Albany decades. Yeah, I would say leading up to the last couple incidents I mean. I gotta be honest I was I was left with with not much enthusiasm. Just to be honest. When the protests are happening, I could hardly get up to go do it. My wife actually encouraged me. She knows that is significant to me so She motivated me to get out and and to take part, and then I did and was electric It actually lifted my spirits quite a bit to see a people, not just by people, but all types they're with loud in together unified You know just just talk about the inequalities and justices that are that are happening. It being on Greenwood it's it's important to me. My mother still lives there, and she still is on the House that I grew up in. That's on the corner. That's one of the houses. Maybe the house closest to downtown Tulsa. That's where I grew up so It's just a stone's throw from the stadium. Is also there right there? So all those things I know when I'm going into a match and know the so much significance of me, realizing that I'M A, and I'm at home and Black Wall Street as one of the few black coaches, not as a lot of significance, there with the protests. I think it was a great outcome. You know every in. There's always a couple of people in against rowdy at times, and you know who causes those things those are always up for debate, but ultimately it was a it was a peaceful protest and I was last. Take Part necks experience in glad, my kids. My children were able to take part which I think. It could be a significant moment in our time in our history. Yeah, I guess that's a good a good launching point, so you know we're seeing. A lot of things over the last week. Obviously, but like just things like on instagram. Everybody's putting black boxes in the you know saying Was it blackout Tuesday I. Think it was what it was all about Obviously a post on instagram only goes so far, but it feels like. At least it's a small small move. You can do to raise awareness right in, and it seems like. There's so many steps. There's so many steps to go, but you know to you when you saw like a blackout, Tuesday movement Not just that, but you know social media and just all the conversations happening. On people out in the streets across the country across the world, even you know in London and Jeremy and everywhere else. There's like people out Does it feel like this isn't a like a a moment that is perhaps poised for for bigger and better things for humanity. I would say so I'd I'd be optimistic to say so. Is Not insignificant to put something on social media. You know we we tend to do that. A lot in it loses meaning loses its meaning at times right, but to to be honest. There's also a quite a few people that that cannot put black lives matter on their social media that they aren't. They aren't motivated to do that and you have to ask themselves. Are we have to ask the question why? Why is so difficult? To say black lives matter when when people are very comfortable, saying all is matter, and that's come back to that right. Black lives matter what why separate that you know. I think it's important that people actually confronted. You know if that's if that's a star of social media. Start I think that's great some initiatives after are obviously very important war. We go from here. is important to stay focus organized. I mean there's always a gorilla in terms of trying to meet an objective. Their objective is equality. How do we get to the point that or comfortable? Talking about are in all may be our own biases that that we have in some mistakes that were made in the bass and realizing okay, we're not perfect. How do we move? To a place that. That makes sense in at this point to say quality doesn't make sense. I mean that should be strange to me. That strange for for anyone from any community from any religion or background to say that person doesn't deserve equality I mean. We should be looking at them like. They're strange, you know. That should be uncomfortable. not not saying black lives. Matter I mean that should be easy rings on, so I think I think you know with the protests and everything in the social media everything that I'm saying I think it's I think we are in a moment. It takes Mica says some initiatives so hopefully we keep the momentum and we put some plays implies that how to keep executing and moving these things forward but it's a great start. Think is positive. It's crazy how? This shouldn't be like you know blue versus read our Democrat. Verses just human rights you know. You blur those lines so badly. Now have you had any like team? Wide discussions about this or moving forward? How how it could, if at all impact you know FC Tulsa. outspoken ownership and the President I think oh in the past. You know I'm pretty adamant. You know are open to my players about those things that might players know that? How one of the few black coaches I don't know. I don't speak about those things every day, but in terms of trying to put a plan in place I've spoken to the owners. In the present about. The significance of where we are not in Tulsa, also it'll be a hundred years next year in terms of the race massacre So what what our efforts? What? Our plants and Bob Ourselves in the community consistently, not just when it happens leading up to that moment on what initiatives that we have in place, and it's is far of our. You Know Globe community outreach. You know how to do. We organize that you know so We've got a lot of time obviously to think about these things and things of triggered those moments, but I think it's good that we're going to be able to put together a process about how to get ourselves better involved. Into the community and you know it's apple platform was about these things. Yeah, well, hopefully nor to go, but up in the certain sense, right. okay well. Let's let's Let's get back to your career. obviously an interesting one. You said you've been around the world. Soccer's brought you around the world and brought back to Tulsa, You mentioned your son of a Nigerian immigrant. That's how you ended up really soda focusing on soccer despite living in a football hotbed. so, what was that like being the like? Was it just like you and like ten other kids? You barely scrambled together like an eleven for us soccer around there. I mean honestly A. Few things that I remember you know I. Mean back in unborn early eighty one. You know I can remember one thousand nine hundred World Cup. You know watching that with my dad and Cameroon had a great run, and played against a Columbia and Roger Milla celebrating and dancing in those first moments of actually watching it on TV and then my dad actually helped start our club. You know so. He went and got some guys and you know. started a wreck program. We're younger and got us going like that. And then you know, but the honest soccer pulses is always been pretty significant in terms of like the youth and even. Historically, the throw side so we were able to jump right in and start competing and growing a youth club so I was proud to be a part of that also but you know. I was a kid from north, also basketball, football or king, and I was kind of that. I was athletic and I could play both, but I was Kinda of that. We're kicking the soccer ball. On the on the basketball court are on the football field more. Yeah, you mentioned Tulsa has. Sort of a rich history with soccer, Um, people from from around there probably don't know but the original. Tulsa roughnecks in the NFL they. They won the League one year to ninety three. Alive for that, but might limit with a little, too. So I was GonNa ask if you. If you remember the the reading at the roughnecks, the original roughnecks at all, or perhaps some of the after effects of having that team in that league that that at least plant to seed that you know. Perhaps it's still growing up. You thought about that before, and I would say the the after effect was a lot of those players stuck around. You know you. You have quite a quite a few of Woody Steve Earle of Victim Orleans a lot of these guys stuck around and started coaching. You know those are some of my first experiences with elite. Blair's coaching. You know saw. I would say that was probably trigger moment for for a lot of communities on those guys go back. Back home from where they came. And they stayed and embedded themselves into the community, and started coaching, and in and putting a partner wisdom on young kids like myself that that it could take you around the world. Okay, so you ended up playing Obviously, you're a standout player in Tulsa. You ended up going to Dayton University of Dayton for College. Were you heavily recruited? Did you sort of walk on elbow your way into the team? How that process go? Yeah. It was an interesting process like I was on back. Then had this I. Don't know if they still do. It was like Adidas top one fifty. Player so I was pretty heavily recruited by like all the top schools. Few, come to my house in meet my family, but I think I was really motivated by the the coach Jim blonder. That was there at the Don. KNAPP championship with a Wisconsin I. Know All about him grow, too. Much. And just like a very down, the earth like I'm not trying to sell you just speaking that norm multi kind of guy and that it's Kinda hit off with and I was like Kinda like his approaching insincere. How is Gauche style And then at a Dayton was going to be more like a kind of like rebuild and I wanted to take their. Their program to the next level, so they guy like me. If you the guys that the had pretty good youth, youth resumes saw sauce, lads be a part of that, and I knew I was going to be kind of right away competing the Blairite away, but that what be in the doors off. That was Kinda my interest to the university. And, so at what point did you start telling yourself? You know like the soccer stuff. Maybe somebody will actually pay me to do this in a window was always in the back of your mind, even from like a small child. Yeah honestly I never never really wanted to do anything else. You know But growing up till what the the World Cup was in ninety four, so there really wasn't and then molest came in ninety six. There really wasn't you kids, you think. Go play over the world, you know anything happy, and then you get a little bit older and reality is okay. I'm at this level you know. The leak leak kicked off, but His Excellency by the time you know, I was in high school, I graduated ninety nine saw in college, and you kind of see in the league starting and sputtering a little bit. You know some teams like Tampa right. You GotTa Luminary Jin. Okay houses really gonNA work. so, but you know that was my goal so, but I wasn't like after college I wasn't like highly recruited or get drafts or anything like that. My goal was to. Play for the Niger national thing there Olympics off occasions. Of. I got I got the opportunity to that and assault our kick start me into the professional side and and. Yeah so let's talk about that, so you. You mentioned you know you're the son. Of Nigerian, immigrants, obviously the the connection is clear, but how did the process of you becoming part of that team? That was what was a two thousand four Olympic qualifying. That was for yes, that you talk about a small world on. One of the former coach is actually the assistant for Nigeria, the ninety six Olympics. The had a great run at that He was actually in school in Oklahoma taken classes and. Kind of A. By Way of knowing people him in my dad knew each other, and he kinda knew the level that House plan at university is like a I mean I think it'd be good for you to go back in Nigeria and you know how this experience, so became a good recommendation to go there and That's what happened. was in wasn't quite expect within qualify, and I got malaria and it was. Quite the experience but I was happy I was able to go back to Nigeria and spend extended amount of time now so. And there before it now now I had I had not so it was a it was a reason for me to go back and see my family, but at the same time it was. You know obviously a sense of pride. You know just. I'm Nigerian. I consider myself a Nigerian American but I've had this disconnect. Because hadn't spent that much time there so. Definitely sense sensitive bride, going back there to represent. My country didn't work out like like I would have wanted, but. But I was glad I got the job done. Yes, so how close to the Olympics guys come! We we had an away match to Tunisia that. We needed to get a point to qualify, and we did not and I I didn't make that trip because of you know. I was meant to play askins Egypt and woke up one morning and I couldn't move roommate It was like trying to call me to get up and go to breakfast for training, and I can move no I. Don't know what's wrong with me. He's like I think malaria. Symptoms so I went and got the physio and yeah now for me. To. So and do you ever want to go? Backers like malaria I'm I'm Outta here? This is great. I know a lot about that for a long time. I think I've gotten over that mentally. You know at some point, I would always like to be a Barbara Nigeria setups Oh one day rather grace of God may I worked with him ration- or something along those lines, so there's had to go back and get it right. Malaria is. okay did he? The guy is that you played with over there. Any of them sort of make it big. There are quite a few guys that came in and out, but you know the. The home-based players kind of stay there there are a ton guys are already based in Europe probably not big names that you know of a lot of guys were playing. Pretty good substantial European clubs. So. That was two thousand four Olympic qualifying I know that from there you The galaxy. was really your next big. Stop Right. What was what was the? How'd YOU END UP IN LA? Yeah after. I was in I was on extended trial, and the emeralds for awhile, and then I was contacted by an agent that that said that it could give me an opportunity there to to trial with La, so you know I was like. I'm going forward, you know mentally. I was Gonna I'm GONNA play. You know where win doesn't matter I. was going for was kind of the net at my set, so went to l.. A. Had some friends. There so's easy for me to least stay with and you know. Just, at least I had a home base Los. Abort Dow ause on this trial. So I it a little bit of an extended trial there and then finally. They signed me so I wasn't playing for them. Except for the on the back, then had the reserve. So I was playing more so than league but obviously. On a team that I ends up winning and MOS COP and hang up. It was it was a really good experience to be. Involved especially as a coach now to be able to take from some of the experiences and a team. That didn't like are GONNA. Make the playoffs even. To to win so a lot of experience from that. Yeah, that must have been A. A crazy year to be around the Galaxy I bet you probably most years old, a little crazy to be around the galaxy, but that won't especially were. They came out of nowhere to win the cup. They'd be the reds right I think. From Opondo blasts, you know but yeah, A. in general that team I, mean it was. It was star studded, and you know obviously I land in face of the soccer. Kobe Jones Air lots of good characters. Monta guys that are still very active in and soccer in the United States so you talk about superstars I you know the one of the funny things as. I remember the coach calling me into the office and But in the contract and we're talking things like that and I end up signing. ANYWAYS, go back! into the locker room and guys kind of Charon Landon. Walk Sounds like Also barred excited about La own NCA and signed like. Everyone here has a contract was that's not special, you know. Coming. Home this guy series. It and ninety parade. Second. Obvious, but honestly after that is like a going to pick you up, we'll go to dinner. You know which was a I didn't see that happening, but we did and you talk about a superstar one. Ten twenty minutes before he's. He got recognized, and then we had to get out of there because there was this, we just wanted out. Relax even but Geyser is a real superstar for for for good reason. Yeah one of the few people back in two thousand five. That would probably be. Recognized for being. In Los Angeles. Where were all the stars are right recognizes. As. You, guys see one the Were you involved the celebrations after the? Of course not not that I played a minute, but it doesn't matter that doesn't matter. Nobody's judging now took a night owl. Actually mean this is a good thing. You know that you learn about guys guys like a Kobe like. Guys I'll take care of this. You know some just very good characters. Burger people people that understand that what they're making. Some other guys aren't making. The, some some accountability and re. Leaders to step up to things like that Nice. Two thousand five to I know that the you know. The the lowest salary mls back in the day is just like night and day versus lower salaries. Today in today's lowest. When was that was mind? The number on it, but he's got very high the live in La. Doesn't really doesn't. See your plate. You're playing in lassiter at least for the reserve team in your like eating. Ramadan, night. I started I started coaching. Actually that was how I was making my money a lot more than. The start kind of coaching on the side and. That helps for sure okay. So you get a year in la yet. Year was one year in Portland. One year in Portland. Portland I was I was it was You know cell level, pretty significant part of that team. has some knee issues, but ultimately they at the end of that season. They knew that they had plans to go in Mulhouse. So players are kind of taking a cuts and I knew for sure that. I was just in the process of getting married, and it was just wasn't going to be a good situation for me, but SA everything was in. You know just you never know. We're GONNA end up. We're how much GonNa make you know just. It was just kind of tough. To survive in maybe if all single in. I would have played a little bit longer. But jaanus it was it was a good transition and I had to make a conscious decision. I was I was going to be coach Yes. So you you? You must've known for then I. Mean Obviously Two thousand five. When you're. You're doing some coach on the side. Was that your first experience? Coaching or experience coaching US okay, and then from then you've basically been a coach a soccer coach for the last. What math isn't? My strong suit sounds like fifteen years, or so at this point, yeah? Any yeah, if you, if you consider the you know the part time coaching and things like that. When I was playing in those times, so then I moved back to tall, said in two thousand eight, so yeah have to that I was coaching. You know full full time, so that's twelve years that I've Been full-time coaching, or let's part time probably about almost fifteen years. Okay, so what were some coaches that you looked up to? And you sort of like I? WanNa learn from the Sky I wanNA. You know I'll take this from this. Person wanted to leave that part of his personality in order. Some guys that you really molded your approach to coaching. Yeah I mean I. Just on the pro side you know You know Steve Sampson was coaching uses very intellectual. can speak every language fluently. You know on how he was able to communicate. you know and then I had a mentor growing up Tom and Afars a Nigerian coach that was in Tulsa Just just really loved his command and and disciplined. Blair's it was. More it was like you know you have a no nonsense person, but you will always wanted to impress him now I think for me I as a coach. I'm I. Don't know if player call me a Blair's manager I I do try to understand the profile and players need. They'd need to understand that a you believe in them. You care about them as people, but you also have to be very objective work all oriented so I. Do try to balance that quite a bit. You know, but of mberi kind of objective. Especially you know in Tulsa market. Market, we haven't really produced recently, so it's like you know we can out the guy that bottom three and move our way up into playoff tie level, so whoever comes in? They need to get on that bay so as kind of how I've been, but I'd say Tom was a big part of that and then obviously coach laundered guys in college, coacher, as in college or You pick up something from everyone honestly whether it's just the training sessions how they deal with people management How many on the side you know you can? You Start Coaching. Kinda got reflagged and like I like that I didn't like that and then kind of stick to yourself and what your your core beliefs and. You end up being a coach in your own way. So was it ever. An issue that you eat sounds like you did have at least sort of black head coach disorder. Look up to, but obviously there haven't been a lot. You know there haven't been a lot of those. People to see like okay well. He's done it so so I can do it was that. was that ever a problem for you? I. Wouldn't say it was a problem. I would say it was. It's the challenge. Still is to this day so at the professional level. There's no. There's no one that I look at like y'all WanNa be like that in terms of Banger, a lack head coach so. We'll say I mean. It's okay trying to be the first. You know in trying to trial by his little bit. I've gotten so many calls tax. From coaches sang. I appreciate. You don't respect what you're doing I. I hope the best for you, you know. Kick the door open. You know a whole this. Is there a little bit of pressure? Yeah, hundred percent. But Um so I I do it for for a lot of people in for a lot of different reasons, but obviously I love the game, but. They're so. There's a lot of things out there that reasons. Why do it sure okay? So the now he moved back to tell us in two thousand and eight right was about right. And then so walk us through there to basically ten years until you got named the head coach of Tulsa. Seen Elsa or the roughnecks? roughnecks Rebrand Oh just coaching youth I knew that one hundred percent coach from here on out on the Gosh my dad. Started a club. You know so we. We kind of had my I've always been used to being around the the use. Soccer seen as a Durham MEDALLA director. Our CEO is active so all of the politics and business that goes in the youth. I kinda knew all about that so right away when I started coaching was like. How many teams can I get my hands on? Whereas some guys like just want one team and I WanNa make a thousand mistakes. Some this audible like these wires. All like my little guinea pigs I want to try recession. You know that I've learned and try to teach. These guys be the best players ever. Is just as kind of started making a name for myself and started to get some. Understanding of how wanted to play and all the mistakes I made czar, sorry for the people i. With life. Like toward the end I, I started to really get things right, and then you know that got to be a point that. you know on the use is like I felt like I probably maximized myself. As far as far as I can on the side and America's still coach you for sure, but it was like an any of the different challenge. I've been doing this for a long time. I need to be pushed a bit. I've done all my certifications at a pretty high level so I wanted me challenge did know it was going to come from? I was. Kind of just helping you know Badrul in assistant, the far share, and then I kinda came on as a a assistant, and then started doing more and more terms of trainings and rematch analysis, and then M- opportunity came. Yeah I mean you see went from being an assistant to being the interim to being the head coach on I'm like what six months. Yeah, exactly? Must have been a good interview I guess now I mean honestly it's like it's like one of those things. It wasn't overnight. Because I've been coaching, a long time and waiting for an opportunity never knew would come in Tulsa thought may have to relocate to get something, but you know got to the point and I think the the players that would air at a lot of confidence in me at that time, and they're going through a tough time. On I think the owners. The Management Kinda saw. How dedicated I was in that moment, and just trying to right the ship for them and I think that Kinda spoke for herself. Okay so last year Another learning experience I'm sure walk us through. How the how the season went and what What you picked up as being like? Of A, US L. Championships this so this is the the upper. League, of of Cell for those people who may not know yeah, so the process of recruiting an entire team. Basically, we build from from scratch basically the team last year. going through an off season in preparing for a season, these all things that you study for and you participated in the system. What is on your shoulders is a little bit different animal for sure because it's up to you to Kinda, create the environment, and to sustain that environments all I was say in terms of creation the. I was very happy. I mean everyone has a budget united animation, but in terms of the way that we recruited with what the resources that. That we have and the preseason that we had it was. We did a really good job with the coaching staff down. The sustainability wasn't great. I mean I, think depth and a couple a couple of things, then Garwe in terms of love loss, a key player through pretty significant moment but ultimately for for me I learned a lot I mean. I went through sixteen plus games ties losses in all now. If an outsi psychologically, it was like get up again. Go again. Again keep going. You know so finally toward the end actually the ownership change on the new owners came in or able to pick up. A few players that we needed. We finished the season very strong, and and I'll this season. We did this Sahara good preseason we recruited much Neil. In terms of the resource rebel go out and saying okay. This is my playing stop. This is my philosophy. These the pieces that I need and were able to actually go out and compete with some other clubs and win. Some lose some but. We get a group of players that were very very happy with very comfortable with and then we play a game and tie Sacramento away on the road, and then sent the season down. Right I. Guess There's a good so what's the latest you've heard about? Where the season is going and how quickly we're going to be up and running. Yeah so there was a was an announcement last week of July eleventh start date so we plan on resume in the season, then in in some sort of format I'm not totally. Sure about it looks like yet I mean updates are kinda come in quickly about that I think is going to be a reduced schedule more regional type conference so try to limit the travel and things like that flights and. right now. We're still on the reduce restricted training, but or it's going to open up a bit this week, and then hopefully we can have normal sessions in the next two weeks, and then we're off often running. It's gotta be a little tough practice soccer with no contact rate. So much you can do. No contact and then no games, so you know what's the motive was driving. The Blairs typically go through a week in your opponent that you're studying in. Players want to get into game. They WANNA. Be Part of the eighteen, so there's like this this competitiveness that. It's built into the process of. Were you doing so right now? The players I have to remind them that imagine a year out of soccer as detrimental to career, so the best thing can do is train at your Max. Capacity, but all we can do is basically technical type work. With the best year ability, get the most out of it, and then maybe we play again, so we're glad that we're glad we got that little information. At least we're GONNA. We're GONNA do something this season, are you? Are you running their asses off at this point? No, no, because you know I. Don't want them to hate me right now, I mean. There's a lag room in the middle of Bandera. Is Not the time. wrote we've been like caged up for months and then We just got onto the fill. You know they wanna see a soccer. They WANNA touch a soccer ball. Not have me yell at them their own harder, so you know is soon as soon as the competitiveness. Come Out, and we can compete. They're going to. The running is going to happen on his own, so we do some things. Everything's done with the bomb, not one US coaches that. Say Okay. We're GONNA this lobster or sprint work the players of I mean they're they have to be professional, but we do hold them accountable. In terms of like they take off. Fitness danced every week and they have to put report their scores, but now I'm not. I'm not doing anything like that right now, so it's. Is it different for a I mean so? You're still young young guy like is it? Is it tougher for a pretty young? Is it tougher for you like? The motivation. You're talking about the motivation for a player in this in this environment. It's gotta be weird like you know you don't have those games look. Look forward to it even tougher for coach. At this point to really stay focused stay motivated received the long term picture. Yeah, I would say man. I hate to say it was good, but there are some I mean. I was really able to just dig in deep in terms of my own methods of coaching and kind of reflect on how been approaching things what I would do? Different I am in amend the pro course currently so is give me an opportunity to get ahead on some of the work there, and and how apply it some of that work we get back and you know so. It's kind of been a reflective moment for me about how been working. just to criticize myself and. Give Myself. Lead by I will say I up taking a moment. Improve honestly as a coach Syam. Eager to get back in, you know try to. Measure what I. What I thought that I've improved on and put it into practice, but my coaching staff. We've we've been connected, and you know going back and forth on how we apply things and how we work. We can improve on our work, so you don't you don't use the on at that time. When you work in you, GONNA win or loss or a draw boom, the next matches come in unit. You don't you don't? Think too hard You know it's about the opponent. Constantly are in your team A. Introspective! Look at yourself and think about how you're doing things that it doesn't always happen during the season. May Need I've sat on the couch for the last three months so. You're doing a lot more than me at this point. Okay what's the say? We get up and going What's the goal for this season? For also? Yeah, I'm I think regardless of what is the the changes? The format we want to also be a We have to get raptor. Move Ourselves. That are the brands change and I think in terms of last year as it's been. A Tulsa roughnecks toward the bottom stable. You know we won't have also to be considered a contender every year so if it's we WANNA be fighting for a playoff and get there and see what happens, but first and foremost are we committed, are we? Are we consistent enough and delivering lower talking about so the objective is to get to the playoffs constantly. Makes, sense, okay, last, but not least it got some rapid fire, a couple of questions, just two questions. Come at you with real quick number one does a little party. You miss the rough. The roughnecks like the branding of the roughnecks in like that 'cause I look back in the eighty one was was late seventies early eighties, and and that the logo. They had with that dude in the big. That like? That a little bit! I mean the I gotta say the rebrand I. Do like it. It's pretty. It's pretty slick, but you gotta miss it a little bit. I have some of that memorabilia for sure I do like it I. I would say I do I miss it. Yeah, but do I like the rebrand. Yes, that re it's nice. It's Nice, man, it's it's is twenty. Tonia beyond you know that's. It's modern, so I think it. They did everything that they needed. in terms of what we ran looks like and it looks good man I can't compliant things nice and orange. Orange wasn't really my color. White and gold now right? Okay! Yeah, you work with that. We can work with that okay last one. What has to happen for there to be more coaches. Black head coaches at the upper levels of soccer in the US. Yet been nuts. That's not just a real quick question. You want a one word answer. Can't. Again no, but you know. Are there any other initiatives that are already out there? Are there things that haven't really been pursued that? To be I, would say I mean I'll. We can look at me. I I have ideas, but I mean if we just look out. Let's say what they've done in NFL NFL. Seventy percent black. and. They were very limited in terms of coaches, and then applied at what is the Rooney rule, or at least they had to interview a coach and things like that When it first came out when I first heard that I was like well. Just token interview doesn't really get. It doesn't really get anything done, but. There has been significant China I'll say at least there has been quite a few coaches at a gun. Opportunities from that moment was out the reason may I guess we can. I can apply to that because it came after that It's a start I think Are they interviewing in all of color? Think does important I I mean I think it's just. Just to put it out, there know, and that's why I do. Put that pressure on myself and I want. WanNa win for that. Particular wheat reason is that or capable you know as? Where human! Beings I don't consider myself the smartest guy but I have enough information act that. Consult was five years old. I played the game. I've been apart of good teams. uptake in the courses I've done well in those things. disappoint you. Know I I'm in the game you know and I'm a competitive college. The pro level those of the guys like me. They're out there. That haven't gotten opportunity. For whatever reasons I think it's a step in the right direction is just sit down with someone across the table and interview them and see if what your thoughts are just objectively that qualified to do the job and I think what what that experience I think by coach is getting the experience just to interview. Delta improved themselves in all at least as a carrot. I've been some courses. and which may be as another reason, sorry is not a short answer. Good. I've been to some courses I've done my year being coaching badges, and you know typically been away one. Maybe maybe there's two candidates or something. That collar you know in the US courses it's it's also the same and that could be particularly maybe financial. Not sure there's a lot of reasons may be particularly that that hasn't happened, but an initiative would be what the federation sponsor gouges and encourage them to do it. You know like. You know there's there's money in US soccer can. Can we put together? A strategy initiatives to say we want coaches of color. How do we go about that? Let's get them through this coaching program. If we have to help scholarships ownership, Jeff, we do that and that should be done for everyone. You know coaching shouldn't be Can you afford it I've been blessed. I've had clubs. Help support me in that that aspect because I know going to Europe and a ten thousand dollar course I can't. Just, write the check for that so I've been I've been fortunate to have people who support that the club side, but. I think it's important. You know that that opportunity is given, and then obviously people like myself out to solve and and do the work. And I suppose another element that is just need more kids, you know African American kids plane from a young age, which obviously opens a whole new can of worms, probably well I mean I think in the US that we've said that for a long time. We really want We really want kids to come in, but you know what they don't have anyone that look at. It looks like them to encourage them to do it. You know me myself. I can go and into North Olsen. Put together a camp or clinic and feel really at home and at ease making that happen. You know I. I. There's other coaches that don't like me. That probably wouldn't be comfortable in that environment. You know what I mean so I think to say that is something that we want. You can't really have one without the other. If we if we want African American or black athletes We need by coaches to to help. Inspire them or at least let them. Fill that they're welcome in to that environment so That's that's a that's a pretty significant change, but as what we want main in terms of the Blair Saul who also want. The coaches. One one will lead the other hopefully, and hopefully you're at the that. What is it the sharp end of the spear? Hope so I hope so I'm. I I don't I don't know how to put a percentage on that, but to be honest, it's it's becoming a majority of what I. Why my motivation. You know what I mean so maybe a metro. Blair's in this moment. That's what I'll be and they'll be. Someone other comes in and goes from there, but just just just keep moving the torch and gone a little bit further. Cool well. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for doing what you do. Michael NC on everybody, check out FC Tulsa, if and when you guys get back out there. you know best of luck. We're rooting for you. I appreciate it. I thank you for for inviting me and giving me this platform, an opportunity to speak about obviously a lot of things, and obviously obviously what's going on in the world and and on the soccer fields? All both things are are being allowed to me saw glad I got to speak about absolutely pleasures online can't take enough, obviously important as you as you put far more elegantly than than I, probably could it's. We're at a moment now. Hopefully it's. Things are moving in the right direction. Fingers crossed anyway. I appreciate a man we'll just. Try to keep that motivation that momentum and we keep moving, but thank you for sharing that. Absolutely they still come on in. Thanks, everybody for joining us. We'll be back against soon, appreciate.

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Only audio only audio maximum her podcast. How are you? Ready? Hercules, you live. We are if you saw us here in Los Angeles right now. Oh, we on. We are on now. Okay. So we're at Melissa media days. And this is a great time. I really look forward to it. I wanna speak on your behalf. I'm sure you do too because we get to really prime up on Major League Soccer. There's a players are here. The coaches everyone involved with the league it comes through these doors. It's here in Los Angeles. So you have a good time. Most of the players are very accommodating. Yes. I heard there's an issue with Dom Dwyer. He got all kinds of divo-. What's really? Yeah. Been reading about it. I hope that's not the case. Because Dom always been an awesome guy to us. But he apparently that was the case. We'll give him the benefit of doubt. Let's say maybe he's a misunderstanding. Hopefully, you've oh, yeah. Like the band like amount whippet whippet male term for diva. Oh, ill Ildiko ill diva. All right. So we have a really cool podcast. Call him that by the way. Okay. No. You just brought it up. Yeah. Breaking news. We have a nice show for you. Here. We're going to sit down right here with Josie outdoor. We're going to talk with only Kamara of the galaxy as well have another podcast was he said, you know, I never did. You did just please. This is absurd. I can I finish. Sure. So, unfortunately, one of the things fortunately, and unfortunately because it was a very special night. The memorial service resumed Schmidt happened on Friday, we arrived Thursday. We'll go through the weekend. So it was here in Manhattan beach about twenty miles from where we are right now. And. Me personally, I knew I was going wanted to attend. And thankfully, the we're I was able to do that. And I was expecting a big turnout. And when I got there, I it was overwhelming. It was the word her Chilver whelming, which was filled, and you looked around and there were people that, you know, working in this or playing in this sport for the last twenty years, folks you recognize and it was just an outpouring of relationships, and and almost cathartic to see guys that you hadn't seen in ten fifteen years. I mean coaches. Players that you play. I mean, just one was such a overwhelming out of body experience. It was a time capsule last thirty five forty years, and what is college soccer professional soccer with Major League Soccer and US national team. And to see the amount of just love and social players broadcasters administrative where I saw picture with three US, men's nationally and coaches ex US, MS axioms coaches, Steve Sampson, you know, Bob, Bradley, Bruce Arena. Had all types of ex players, whether it's collegiate levels professional levels national team level, it just anybody and everybody who's CD somehow touched all along the way touch the lives along the way was there to show their support for Valerie as wife, and then Kyle and their family, and I was a little over weld seen so many people together because I don't think you can get that many people in a room to say they like me alone, come to my service. And I'm saying the most respect it was really overwhelming. And I know you had a few instances where you knew ciggie, I played preceding he'd getting my opportunity when I was nineteen and when things got rough towards the end of my career, he gave me an opportunity to come back in my career the right way. And I will always be grateful for that. Like a lot of players city. Had this rocky road of a relationship. You know? Nineteen and he told me that I should look for another profession in for for a lot of years. I resented Ziggy for that not understanding of this is just business, and then I play wasted that you. Yeah. Not understanding. And it's just too cold truth. You know at times he has to coach estimate harsh decisions in when he cuts Uni. He says, listen, maybe you need to start thinking about other things in your future. I took it the wrong way. And and then I became a player and played in Mexico and played against Sounders. And you know, a couple of times I took shots at at Sigi on air, and it wasn't until after that would speak. And I realized this guy knows a hell of a lot more than I do. This guy's got a hell of a lot more said that to maybe clear the air on that discussion. I it just no matter when I took it to a negative out CEO was took it to a positive out. And there was one point where I was an active player at Santos and Mexican Sigi wanted to bring me on the Seattle. Sounders. And we had a very good talk. And I realized that this is not a coach this is an actual person. And we're talking about actual things than when I let that spider and that negativity go, I started realizing just how good of a person he was and when Toronto and the eleventh hour left me without pretty much team. And I would have been forced to retire. Right. Then and there because of these MLS roster rules the only team to reach out where the Seattle Sounders and Sigi Schmid, and you hear one hundred Moreno talk a lot about his guys. I never considered myself when guys but those talks at one hundred Moreno hat. We'll talk about how he would ask you how the team was. He would ask you things going in. You heard the eulogies. There was a there's about eight speeches of people through CDs life from UCLA, and you'd see the width and breadth of people that he affected, and it went all the way until you're Klinsmann who I I wasn't aware. Zeki Schmidt reached out to twenty five years ago. When he first came to the United States and. Galvanized that relationship which they became really good friends into here. How impactful look what you're at these. You're at these services. There's no one's who say anything disparaging. No the person who died, but I've never been more than like to mention a funeral. But I've never heard such a comprehensive love and energy overwhelming is is is the word, and you touched on just a second finish. It's at that moment. I realized like this is a man who who cares. This is a man who's putting himself out there and changing lives. I was at juvenile with with a point to prove in. Act acted juvenile, and and I always appreciated the the love support and the opportunity he extended not only by giving my first minutes to Major League Soccer. But at the end of my career more than anything the opportunity to get my family, and I and valid and then Sigi were were very good people to us. And it all just kind of came together and to see the amount of people that just love ciggie, and he what he would do to for these people. I it really all kind of tied it together at the end. It was a celebration. And you know, there's a lot of smiles. And there was a lot of great conversations. But you know, as I was driving back. It really hit you that we need people like that. And he's not there anymore because of the comprehensive impact he has on people and his story that I tweeted went went. I heard the news about Ziggy that when he was fired in two thousand two at the galaxy. And at that point, you just got fired. He's wanted right cut the cord goodbye. He calls me. And all the other media that covered it and said, hey, guys. It's wondering invite you to restaurant the pine village. German restaurant. He bought us launch. And just said thank you for covering it. I really appreciate all the work. I'm like what you we didn't work for you. We covered you and the list goes on and on people just remember everyone's name, you members everyone's significant others those little things, it's just I think what I wear. It's like nurture these relationships nurture the relationships you have with everyone because it's worth it. And you see the impression to make that absolutely really quickly. Just really funny part of Uragans speech, which is very heartfelt. And you get a chance to stream it, please do our colleague Alan hundred Moreno's eulogy was very heartfelt, very honest. Very funny at a moment when the room the needed a little bit of light heavyweight. Yeah. But you're again, my favorite part of the night when he's talking about how he's lean on Sigi because he didn't know the US landscape, and he's like. So we're playing in these kids they're in my Dima bark. He's tearing hearts in like this place college. He plays college talking to Jordan Morris, and he's like can I call him to US men's national team. It is ask is can I call this kid into the us? Yes, you're the national. You've got you do whatever the hell you on that. It was one of great moments of the night. Well, then he said he goes I'd like can I take him over to play in Europe? Because no, you can't as a sounder full. Can I take him to Germany, and he goes, you could do anything you want? But that just sounded sound which is a great so story. It was it was it was wonderful the participate. I'll I'll never forget it. I know anyone who's there won't because it was it just reminded just galvanize. All those things we've been on this for so long to to be there. And he's he connected. So many of us podgy four US men's national coaches three x and the current great your halter was it was a who's who? Views soccer in the last forty years. If you at any importance in US soccer in the last forty years you were there. All right. We're gonna get going gear on Emily's media day max and her extravaganza will come up Josie outdoor have lots of. We're on what's his future? Oh, we'll find out next. Let me tell you about Pete who loved hockey and always wanted to play in the NHL Pete played since he was three and begged his mom to let him stay on the ice by some nights. He even slept in its hockey skates p tractors and practiced until one day when he was forty seven p realized he just wasn't that good. So he threw his skates in the trash. But then you heard how Geico proud partner of NHL good save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch. So it all worked out MLS media days. The max her podcast. This is always a day. We Mark our counters because we get to talk to our favorite people major. The celebrities of our sport who who. Seventy five degrees told I've already told Jones Josie unite last played was it two thousand sixteen together. I told you stop lifting lifting you are unreal. Which eat. Dumbbells? That's going on. There's an unsolicited touch the arm. Yeah. That was just. Later. I eighteen. Let's tell everybody health issue. How what's going on? Yeah. We hope you feel good. I feel excited and I just can't wait to start the season, man. I'm excited to to have a long season and hopefully accessible crazy because your last season. It was suggested right from worry after winning Emily's Cup is it just feel like a little cathartic little breath of fresh air that you mean, obviously wanna make the postseason, but to have that often kind of re- recalibrate it was bittersweet because obviously it was good to be off. Right to take time. You know, be with the family and everything, but it was disappointing not to be playing throughout the postseason. I mean, that's where you want to be you hate to be home and watching those games. So it was nice in one sense. But obviously, you know, you prefer to be out there. Let's let's backtrack. Let's go all the way before the season actually started. Let's talk about the caucus champion for a second. You guys go into a place. Like Volkan date has got a result advance over you put away one of the best teams in Concha cap. Probably one of the best teams in in this hemisphere. Go to one of the most teams include Mantica do the same. Thaddeus, deca what happened against us? It was it just against you guys with the injuries and the way. Look, obviously we had injuries and the game. But I think you know, Victor wasn't fit at the time. He obviously left the club Nava, Victor Vazquez wasn't fit a key part. And that mistakes, I think you learn at that level that you know, the guys will tell you we made some errors that were costly. And when you're playing home and away and goals against in aggregate. You can't afford those errors, you know. And so that's really what came back to haunt us. And then obviously we obviously had chances to score and finish the game off and we didn't. And so it was a learning experience. But definitely officer missed opportunity. You know, max is as been the way you've you've been so angry that Emily team can't lift this trophy. And he I see last season predicted being MLS team. I had my doubts, and you guys came very close. What do you guys have been at Toronto red bull's? Ryan what do you need to do this season? I think having will be more difficult because I think you had the element of surprise a little bit last season. Well, not not to us. But maybe to the other teams that didn't maybe believe that we can compete at that level. So this year, it's going to take a little bit more work and. Just concentration because like we talked about at that level. Those little lapses of concentration costs you trophies at that level. So hopefully, we can be focused and not dig ourselves any holes. And you start this time around in Panama off the beaten path against a lot of people don't know about. So that's a whole new set of wants. Independiente? Your testimony. What do you think who the Greek Panamanian clubs? Out of them. Cooper. I actually want to go off the soccer out for a second. If you follow Josie outdoor on his social media. You'll notice you were just in Haiti man, you weren't Haiti with Kenneth coale people. You're doing some cool things you want to tell us what you're doing. No. I was just honestly Kenneth an I we've we've done an event like Nick named don't namedrop like he's just your buddy like from way back. Can I finish? Let me finish. My thought actually had an event the past four years with John Lima's well at the garage in New York City, keep ear to the ground about these things. This year. Kenneth want to switch it up and go to Haiti and match the schedule being we had more time. What was it like? Yeah. It'd be back in. Hey, terrific. Look, I didn't know what to expect as I hadn't been and the number of years. But I mean, they're such was great. I didn't know people follow me like that much in eighty. And so I was really humbling to see, and you know, it makes me wanna work that much harder that their kids, even you know on those parts of the world that are watching and looking at what I'm doing. So it was it was a nice, very nice. I don't know if people this. But there's a lot of Haitian American athletes like yourself as a lot of guys play in the NFL the NBA. There's a lot in that community is listen. And you're one you're one of the few black athletes, and at least in our sport that that's really not taking a back seat. You know on this your very hands on with. So it's it's very good to see. I think we got a touch on the Mashal team. Right. We let's stick with the club. I had a question because you and Giovinco and Michael Bradley came together. These those contracts are they're going to be here. We're gonna have to either resign with Toronto or more take. How how do you see that that process is because it's really been that trio that won the championships been together that found the success? And now where does it where do you maybe it goes? Well, I mean hurt was there. You know, he knows we didn't win. This is how he I mean the sense that we have just eighteen know family around us. You know, everything we needed. We got in terms of what we needed to win. And so it's been terrific time. But at the end of the day, it's business, right? And when I say, it's bittersweet because you know, I've spent four years there. So I've kind of roots. Put down there and my family enjoys it. So it's bittersweet in the sense that you have to now leave that and go on to something new, but that's the business. And so I'm excited for what's to come. I've given everything Toronto see, and I think it was a job mission complete in terms of going there and winning is what we set out to do. And so I look forward to next challenge. I'm not going to you know, there's no hard hard feelings make it sound like a done. Yeah. But the challenge the challenge would be staying at Toronto. It is what it is. I'm not gonna you know at this point. I'm I've I I lay my my heart on my sleeve every day when I go out to play there. I've done everything I could and whatever happens happens. I'm not I'm not bitter towards like I said, it's been a fantastic. I can't speak for what's going on in Toronto. But you're not diverse Toronto player who's expressed this. So it is interesting that dynamic. Now, we can jump into the national team because I think ask because I think it's it's what we all want to talk about. What are you twenty eight twenty nine twenty nine years old and thirty November thirty we want to schedule the party. So we want to it's going to be for. To be the all time leading goal scorer. It's not going to be a shared title. Hopefully, be it'd be nice to have that. Do you see yourself now at thirty still an integral part of this national team. It depends on the coach. And you know, if he if he if he wants like depends on Berhalter. I mean, that's not my place to say, obviously, I love playing for the national team if they need me I would love to be there. But at the same time, I'm a fan of the national team or game tomorrow, you're going it's not my choice. I don't pick the team her you want to go. Of course, who says no to represent national asking worse than I would love to have the opportunity. It's my national team. My surprise enjoy the represent that. A lot would say there are some good young players that would play a role, but are probably not ready to be thrust into those big aims credit out the big games coming up at that. That's going to start looming here as we get into two thousand nineteen when you look at what the when you look at what the US national team means what the veteran guys. Guys have been there. How valuable is that how important is that? At least they reflect a little bit of that moving forward. Yeah. It's huge. I think we got away from that a bit with the national team. I think he became more of a luxury for some players. And I think you have to get back to where it's the Christmas the shirt, and it's representing the country. I think everybody that that comes to camp. Lisa understand that every time I step on the field. It's not about you sign about any individual. It's about the team and moving this whole thing along as a soccer nation. And I think that we have to get back to that. And I think Greg recognized that having been on the inside as a player and having seen some of the stuff that took place on the outside from a spectator. So I think that's a very important piece of the whole puzzle. When I think Greg is is a guy that definitely understands that. I'm sure we'll apply that Trinidad and Tobago happened. And the US minutes actually did not make the World Cup. You one of the most heavy cr- heavily criticized players in the Nash team program in that commitment that efforts that willingness to bleed and sweat for the jersey was. Questioned that make you feel. I mean, this this comes with it as being professional, right? You're going to have people that attack. You do you feel as a scapegoat for this you and Michael were pretty much scapegoat day for me? It's always I, you know, the notion was always we win in spite of you. And when it goes bad, it's because of you, right? And so at the end of the day, like I said, I take it on the chin, and if I need to be the punching bag so be it if that makes for a better tomorrow for the US national team that I'm all for it. How much still remains as best to compartmentalize that to move on with your life to be able to play with a clear mind and clear conscience, but the end of the day you have to make sure that off the field. You have a good support system. And for me, I have a son who who doesn't care whether I qualify for the World Cup or not he wants to make sure I'm home to play with him and the backyard so little things like that family is is one of the things that I used to kind of make sure that I keep my priorities straight. And I live everyday to the fullest. You've got a great head on your shoulders Josie, and people don't really know how. Articulate and intelligent. You are off the field. If you had your way, what do you think Major League Soccer could do to help develop the American player more? I think listen the league, I think is done a great job. You look at where the league is now to ten fifteen years ago. Great strides, but one thing I'd like to see I think which will be huge in terms of developing players, and every level is becoming more diverse. I mean when we talk about becoming the league of choice. I think you have to have all walks of life, kind of tune into Major League Soccer and see themselves and Major League Soccer. I think but they'll argue that they'd have over one hundred seventy different players from one hundred seventy different countries. You know? Well, I'm just telling you from from my point of view diversity mean there, then just like I said all walks of life, whether it be black Hispanic Asian. I think we need we need to represent all of those things when you talk about being the league of choice. We've done a good job at it. But I think it's also an area where we can improve. We your you had a unique build up to your career. You came on very young. You had that chance to test your metal in Europe. When you see the development of players, what would you advise speed guys? That are okay. Seventeen sixteen seventeen years of age and contemplating moving to starting in Europe or starting at professional career. And maybe missing out that time in college. I think that's a huge advantage. You know, I value education. So I'm not opposed to guys that that rather that I I think it's a huge pillar when you're talking about life and just learning how to live and in today's society, but our Masako standpoint, I also kind of wish I had the chance to go at the fifteen fourteen year old go there learn what it's like there instead of going there and eighteen or nineteen, you know, where you lose the time and kind of, you know, putting yourself in that environment like like a Christian pulisic, like these these young guys that we see go over that very young ages and already at eighteen or signing professional contracts. I think that's a huge advantage. Obviously if you're able and you have the opportunity, but I think every player is different no ways the right way. And I think it matters from player to player in terms of you know, what path they take. Now, I'm very curious about this diversity thing because us on the. Max and Eric podcast. We've we've covered diversity quite a bit. The Jonathan Gonzales story and representation matters. And how US soccer needs to kind of go outside of his umbrella. And look at different maybe neighborhoods, and then sectors that maybe can't afford the pay to play and all these different things that come with it. Then you have Eddie Johnson comes out, and whether his comments were correct or not he shed some light on of the may be important to see in your opinion is US soccer Major League Soccer doing enough in these undeserved or under a resource communities. I think more can be done. Certainly I think there's a lot of talent that is on top growing up playing in south, south, Florida. I grew up a lot of a lot of Latino kids a lot of Caribbean kids who are incredible talents. But it's difficult for those kids to get seen kind of and get those opportunities. So listen United States have picked country. It's a big task. And so I think the US soccer analysts can improve. And I think they know that and I think it's a conscious effort, and you know, there's a lot of peace. To the puzzle. But I think attracting, and and and and and center fine more kids that are more diverse that kind of have this game kind of bread and butter in their culture, if we can get those kids to start playing soccer and start getting these kids more opportunities. I think he can only help better soccer across the board in our country. You have a busy calendar through the season. Whether it's national team, whether we are obligate the way the way Major League Soccer changed their schedule here and make a little more compact about the international dates are going to be honored Shirley in the summer. How how do you view that as an advantage or do you like? Do you like our leagues always changing, which is which is fun and exciting? And I think the format now I actually puts a lot more episode on the regular season. So you know her played in the league there are times or fixtures. Where you look at we can send a team there and send Senate team there. I think now you look at every game now and you need to play your best team and try to win every game. And try to get every point matters. Now as you don't wanna be a team going into the playoffs having play on the road every every match. So I think it will be interesting season for a number of reasons with respect to that. And you know, I'm excited to see how it turns out it thirty years old you're going to be thirty nine. Oh, man. Don't want you to. That would be great. We'd get if he would get the Greg. I will get you would love that. So let's play let's play with the Christopher is second Josie outdoor you have it your way. What does it future hold for you in the immediate? And I'm always curious asking players who are my situation. Have you thought about what comes next I start to I start to now. It's inevitable. Right. That that next phase. And I think the the more you can prepare for the better. And so I've given some thought a little bit obviously, not one hundred percent. But you know, it's definitely something that's on my mind and definitely something. I'm conscious of is it is it more communications isn't more MLS, US soccer base, coaching or sporting director. Like we've seen Carlos bocanegra where are you leaning to at this miles on a great job on. Across book and that guy. I mean, that's the that's the blueprint how to go from playing into, you know, the management side and doing a great job what he's done in Atlanta's been terrific. But for me, I'm not sure man. I like a lot of things I feel like I have my hand a lot of different pot since conscious figuring out focusing. What my passion is. And I love helping I love giving back. And so maybe something like that. I don't know. I haven't you know, put too much energy on it. But it's definitely something unconscious. You got some time, man. Yeah. Keep networking little bitches. Bit more of the candidate polish leaving. A little bit. I'm gonna tell you Kenneth Cole. I've met a lot of people in this game. A lot of entrepreneurs a lot of people philanthropists a lot of design whatever it is. But he, you know, he's really genuine in terms of the work that he wants to do in Haiti, you know, the efforts that he put stores Haiti's for him. It's not about writing a check, you know, it's more than that gotta get entering face to face and really rolling up his sleeves. And so he's done at terrific job. And it's wanna say kudos to him for what? In the world, a better place. Do you ever get to call them, Ken? I don't call kid. I just I don't know. Maybe I will. But he's actually really outgoing down-to-earth guys. So max also works LA FC. Did he mentioned that at all? Not really. Copies. Never mentioned, Elliot. And on the ESPN f f slash ESPN docket max in her before we let you go Carlos Vela. Can you can you play? Absolutely. He's he's Riddick talent. Very very good player. Why you won't be? I'm asking what about the politic price tie? Was that something when you heard that the Seventy-three million? What what did you think it's something he can control? I mean, that's not his fault for him. You know, great. No. I don't mean fall. The other people have said, it's you know, they use it that way. That's why I'm asking you. It was a mistake. It's like like, he's only that price tag. Because he's American look I don't care what it is. I'm proud of him. I'm happy for them. And I think they'll be more like human the future. And he is the start of a great beginning when it comes to American players going to Europe and and making waves, and he's also a product of the past in terms of other guys going there and making so listen, I'm incredibly excited for them. I'm going to be rooting for them. And I think he's going to be a big success story. Successful disclosure. I was one of those people that said, and it's a great figure, but part of that figure is due. The fact that he's American same thing with the is North America. But you can say that for Brazilian player part of their figures because everything and opportunities because. So you can go jab jab tit for tat with that. No, no. I'm just saying for me. I don't take anything away from him. I think you know, his transfer is well deserved in terms of what he's been able to produce at his age for the national team as well. And you know to those naysayers there's always going to be naysayers. But I hope he goes out there competes and just keeps his head to the ground and not worry about the hoopla that goes down. Good advice jersey. You're good peeps, man. And if you're ever have like a week off. I know you're not all sorted out at L AFC. We'll get you a. All right. It was that was for you that was you pleasure guys. Thanks. Good senior go. Maxon her here to MLS media days, very happy to be joined by all Kamara of the L A galaxy. They told me kite Kamara now knows hour a little do you ever appear? And it was supposed to be Kamara and vice versa. Oh, no, not really not really weird like kylie's. Columbus are like not Kamara still here. Come on come on jersey with Kamara though scoring exactly there in Los Angeles. Man. I it's got to be big big change from Norway. Columbus LA. I'm in LA's. Unbelievable. Of course, I had a good time in Columbus to a lot of quality players. Good coach. I mean is the national team coach now. And I mean, I was enjoying it. But of course, Selig galax is is different level. I mean living here playing friendly galaxy. I'm in it's on talk about that different level. What makes it a different level? I think a lot about the production around it, of course, it's it's just bigger. And then also you. Have some of the players with the quality that they have and the experience they have. It's it's rare, you know, by it's a little crazy that we have to LA teams, and they both have center Fords or attackers that are from Norway from Oslo who's the and played in the same team for two three years for everyone to leak together. Do you guys keep in touch or there? It's gotta be you have to you probably have to say we're both in LA at. But I mean, both in LA LA, so huge like one and a half hour from each other. You know, Dr. Yeah, there's not one podcast at max doesn't bring up LAF. See that's his team in Los Angeles. I work for them. I work for his fan. We're fairly I've seen knock. Yeah. Bring it up because. You know, what it's not about me talk about that L AFC LA galaxy rivalry before you were even league back. When actually we both worked for the galaxy. I was player. He actually was doing the same thing. He's doing right now the galaxy was the Premier League the premier team in this league that was it. That was the biggest club that Major League Soccer had it attracted the biggest stars in. Now. Not only the legacy not the biggest team in the league. They may not even be the biggest soccer team in Los Angeles. This is what I'm saying. There's a rivalry there. Now is that you feel like you're in debt to the fans into the city Los Angeles to prove that you're still number one because tradition everything after one year you can't be bigger in the galaxy o. The shirt he's got five stars on their time in one hundred percent. You can't. But they had a good season. Yes. Last year, of course. And we have to to get back on top for sure the guys ruined my whole playoff experience. You ruined it. So it should have been watching from home. I should've I should've been watching the L traffic. I should have been watching that again. Every game that you guys had. It's been unbelievable now. Of course, I think everybody wanted that game to to to show cast out what exactly happened that lasts. You guys were great down the stretch. It was like a bad guys. You get spothero against dynamo. What happened that was bad? Thirty still don't know. And I'm still really in pissed about it. I mean, it was it was really really tough. It's it was a tough onto swallow for and. We were going at heart. I think we would have done well, and we really wanted to play that game against life C too. So I going to the locker room and the vacation like that. It's just the worst feeling ever. What was the locker room? Like, I mean extent must have been stunning. Because you got you out there, you got there are we just finished the job. And then. I thought maybe it was going to be a lot of it was just like a lot of people super distant putting an angry and pissed and everybody was just walking in their own world. You know, we couldn't can believe what happened and all about this season two thousand nine hundred and it's going to be we're hoping it's going to be a big different. There's a lot of expectations and notch because you guys have the star power. You have on the field. But outside of the field, you made a few movements. Dennis closer comes any makes his few movements brings in any coach GMO bottles of Scotto from Boca Juniors. What do you know of Guillas maybe playing career and now coaching career, you think could help you especially translate that into the field. I mean, I know he was a legend in Boca playing ten years there played for the national team and also play in Columbus. I was sitting in in the lunch room, and I saw his name MVP all star player. So I know he was a great player and winning with Boca. You know, it's a huge T. Mhm everybody in the world knows book. Saw he has the experience he has the I think the the skills and everything to to elevate our team to the next level. What's Latin like? Do. Did you haven't payroll, but I mean, here's his persona on it's about time. But when you talk to me realize, this is, you know, it's it's it's party of having some fun. But it is he's been larger than life. But how does that affect you guys because it is locked on there and the buyer tied especially because you've got the Sweden and Norway kind of connection. Here you got your strike partners. What's the dynamic like a finger from him? Especially a lot of banter. You know, of course, like, I grew up watching the guy. And is a credible to play with him. I've been learned from him. And he has that leadership. Of course, he he's a winner. Me too. And so last season was up and down, you know. But I mean, experienced guy live is incredible to see because we get to see him on the weekends. And he doesn't crazy things out. Is it just become a habit for you in the training sessions to just see him pull off some amazing feats there, and I think the thing with him. He create moments in all the things that you really remember. And it does that in training to pretty see the professionalism to you know, his his little bit older now, but you still see the hard work that he pulls off. And I think it makes everybody else around him better too. So I think it's a good. But it's it feels like there's a there's there's a lot of town then the galaxy is team some people from far I feel like it's not the team. It's but how is that? When when you're on the field and practices. How's that relationship? Now. He he's trying to say is does he call the shots? Nah. He's he lets the court to be the coach share. But I mean, you just see the guy's a winner. He he doesn't like to lose. So everybody can feel if he loses something in training. Yeah. Now, you mentioned that your ex coaching. Columbus was Gregg Berhalter, and I'm sure you know, him very well. You guys were successful together. Why Columbus scoring goals for him and whatnot. They sees no matter who he puts into that nine position. He seems to get the best out of what is it about his system that makes it so productive for that center forward? I've been just a the playing style. How how you set up chances makes an and it's very clear where he wants his record to be and where the ball from attack is supposed to end. So it's very clear for all the players what to do, and as a strike, you just need to be there in that moment. I think guy did it great. I took advantage of that system kind of two and I'm in jail now show that he can score a lot of goals. And now he's in the national team again. So I'm I'm happy for him. You see a coach Gregg Berhalter, and he's attacked Titian. Of course, if you had to pinpoint his strength. What is it? Preparing you for the games. You know, exactly what you're gonna meet, you know. And I think that's a that's a good thing for the US national team. Now, I think it's going to be a little bit different. But I'm still excited to see kind of how how he's going to do with the national team because you only with the national team for fifty days almost a year. I know they have January can usually international football is different. You get. So you don't have a lot trains. You don't have that much time to build up that re- chemistry between players and everything. So I'm I'm really excited to see like how he's going to pull that off. You know, you've been playing for Norway scoring some goals. There is are we gonna see Norway back on the big stage euro twenty twenty you think that's that's in the cards. Yeah. I I think we we want the nation's league group. Now, of course, we have a tough group at restarting with the Spain away. So it's going to be tough. But I really believe we're going to go in and actually when I played in Austria and Norway. It was national team or international games felt fast. But after. After playing an Melissa actually feel slow when I go out. I don't know how the intensity is played an MLS. It's so fasten the athletic. Let's I'm in it done a lot for my career. And that's helped your international Crea for sure. Yeah. I'm very nations league. And for a lot of us. We didn't know quite what to make a nation leagues when it when it came about. But it's proven to be not just games. That means something very exciting games at any moment. You could be relegated. You guys took advantage of that. And you're off to the next round Hugh think that now going from something that matters to MLS where maybe you can lose week one week seventeen week thirty and it won't make a difference. You can translate that. I think from every situation can learn something. I mean in in MLS special league, how how it's played and you just need that hot streak, you know. But I mean now with the new system with the playoff system, you really need to end high in the table. So I'm in now, I think you have to win all the games to get all the home games in the playoffs. So I mean, I'm excited about the new format for sure didn't expect to ask a question about the nation's lead. You got me especially because I'm sure you see a lot of the cop champions. They it comes about. And you want to be one of those teams that participates in this segment. There's a big Mexican fan base in what is Los Angeles. You guys have to the scientists brothers. Some sure there's a lot of crossover when you saw what Toronto did in the Champions League to beat these Mexican teams. What does it team like the LA galaxy needs to do? I think especially now this year, we just have to perform, well, you know. But I think the level is gonna higher higher than that molested. And I think we will see that Kach talk Jeff Champions League there in the air succumb. But of course, you need that experience of playing those kind of tournaments to actually win it in on overtime. I think you get it. But I don't know concrete. What you have to do. All right. What we expect big things from the galaxy than this season. Our great chat with you. Now. Thank you so much for the record. I'm not in LA FC guy. He's asked the question. I wanna see both LA teams do. Well, it's good for the league's good for the sport. It's good for the entertain. It's good for us. Tv folks more than and that's hit max and her we'll have another podcast coming up here from Emma? Let's media days. So subscribe, leaving comet we're gonna get to follow us to hear at some point. Subscribe and tell us what you want to hear from us. And we look forward until two thousand nineteen until then maximum podcasts. So lau. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting doll living most of her life in the dock inside the other nesting dolls. 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"And Greg. I mean with all the young talent common through your son and others. And you give us a little hope that I mean if you can't get out of context if you don't belong in the World Cup I think we can agree on that but. Do we have some hope for the United States men's national team with this next generation Claudio. It's exciting for sure I you said, though is a step by step and. You know we didn't qualify for the last book cop and we didn't. Like thickly well in recent years we never were able to find any consistency in as a team and so now yeah. Now we have to step up. It's exciting that we have a great young generation coming through. I would say that they are still young but they are playing at a high level. So I think they're they're the type of players that you know. They. They managing pressures in the European competition so that they're ready to go for the national team. But I think it's important that they all have a chip on their shoulder, not just the younger generation but anybody there's going to be still. Important very important players that are in their late Twenties and early thirties at that's gonNa have a really important role to help with the younger generation but there's no doubt that we need. A attitude that you know we need to play with a chip on their shoulder you know Mexico is better than the United States right now in our region that wasn't always the case and you know so we need we need to be hungry. We need a we need to play You know again as I keep saying was a little bit of anger in terms of getting back in that respect special regionally. And then beyond that. Stage at the top? There's A generation of players playing. At clubs around the world that we've never had before and it seems like it can continue for the next two years hopefully beyond and that's the only good. You know I think when you look around. 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As far as I'm concerned, the first thing he can do for me is to chuck all your mattress in all caps and all your pots pans into the biggest flipping just spin you can find. Because you've never won any of them fairly. You've done it all by blooming. What's Rick tiddle was selected at random from the phone book to host this show. Host the show one, eight, hundred, eight, seven, play. A LITTLE FUN TO GET A. Guest at the last second and. Or is it helps when I know the guy is cloudy Arena and I know I probably saw him more times than those two times in person because I have seen the men's national team so many times. But Yeah In fact, a friend of Mine Tony. The Man City Fan because Claudio Reyna, and when he played for Man City, they weren't the Super Fancy team that they are now or easy to be a city fan. And they win the League. It's like that run on Chelsea fans everybody wanted to be a Chelsea fan when Marino was there and they won three championships. Three Premier League titles I should say, right And so Anyway. When I saw him at the lane white heartland, the old white Hart Lane, which is now down announce the big fancy one, which is amazing. Really is but. It was always exciting to see Americans. Lying in England. and. I remember after the World Cup in ninety four. Cobi Jones. Actually made it to Coventry. When Phil Neal was a manager and then big Ron Atkinson came in the first thing he did was get rid of him but. John. Harkes after talion ninety. Late. For Sheffield Wednesday, there in the lower divisions but they got promoted. He ended up scoring a goal of Wimbley and the FA Cup final which they want he played with Chris waddle. Chance Interview John Harkes. For ever had a radio show. In the Locker Room Stamford time they're playing Costa Rica and a qualifier, and I, asked him about playing with Chris waddle and. Swan and on the stories about when he was at Marseille. Great. It was always great to have that now course Alexi Lalas got. With pot of a WHO had just been promoted to Syria on everybody saw what a donkey he was a player. And blue than you rick. No doubt on the Hermann Award. Which is the college heisman but. The the shakeup of the United States, men's national team. Me As. I said to the greatest sporting event I ever went to or my team lost was that World Cup? In Germany in two, thousand six. And to sing the national anthem on a foreign shore for the first time with the. American fans it was great and Claudio. Reyna did hit the post in that game. He was actually. Cloudy. Arena was our best college player when we had the World Cup here in one, thousand, nine, hundred, four, which I worked at Stanford I went all six games. and. He had a horrible hamstring injury. And so he was not able to. Make the team he was supposed to be the the young kid he was at the University of Virginia or he? Played for Bruce Arena. So. And then France Ninety eight united, states, was the worst team. At France. Ninety eight scored one single solitary goal from bram bride but. Using, to Germany and losing to Iran. Remember the many mid Vicki Goal Ali diagonal very embarrassing. For Unisys soccer fans Casey Keller was horrible. That was the Steve, Sampson team who when the United States qualified to go to the World Cup in Canada and he told John Harkes going back to the World Cup in any cut him. Then years later, Steve Sampson on my show. we asked about the real reason and it had come out prior to that. John Harkes had been having a listen affair with. Eric Wynalda his life, and that's why he was dropped. We decided he was dropped for no reason and we were all outraged and he can say at the time what it was. Safe as for. One ALDA. All the by the way has been on the show many times I. Wanted him to get elected president of the United States Soccer Federation after the disaster of Sooner Galati and missing out. On Russia Two Thousand Sixteen And it was twenty eighteen it was a highly. Humiliating that. You gotta remember the area from which we have to qualify. Concacaf the Federation of North American and Caribbean Zone. The only real country. That has real. Soccer players is Mexico and if you put Mexico and Europe. They would not be a huge threat. It would not be a brush off like Luxembourg. But they would not be a team like, Oh, no plan Mexico. Mexico in this region, they're the best now for a while there, the United States was even better than Mexico. Or good twelve years or so. That's completely flipped and you can't let a country like Honduras or Costa Rica or Jamaica. Get in ahead of you or Canada Gimme a break. Canada can't let a team like that get in. Had of you. and. That's what happened during this last World Cup. Cycle. Which meant? A young player like. I. was going to miss out on an entire World Cup cycle. For you? And Little. Did I know that when Galati laughed at the election was basically Unin dusted and Carlos Cordeiro came in as the president and he admitted that he had not watched soccer until he was fifty. Now. If you're a good businessman, you don't to have. Rick tiddle soccer knowledge. which has his people off in Europe that I know more about soccer than they do. It's one of the very few things in my life that I know a lot about and I mean a lot. But a guy who has never seen soccer. Until he was fifty. Or. Was He fifty eight I think when he got the job? Doesn't mean he automatically is GonNa suck but it's just it's just weird. They got Ernie Stewart the former player. Sort of try and pick the new team which I thought was good. But then they hire Gregg Berhalter as the head coach. which is completely stupid I like Rick Berhalter Nice Guy, and he was actually a halfway decent defender. The men's national team. You know soccer. But The the I don't know if it's the navy never pay or it's the. Of America or it's like we got this. We'll we'll just get one of our own guys. Think about the success they had under Bora Vich. USA Guy who has taken three teams to the World Cup he took tiny Costa Rica to the World Cup where they beat Scotland I remember in Italy in one thousand, nine, hundred, ninety. Also took Nigeria to the World Cup. That great team with Jj, a coach Daniel Amokachi Rashidi Akini and Sunday only say all those great players. Bora got to the World Cup. Was the first guy to say, let's keep the ball on the floor. You don't have to go route one. You don't have to be an Italian Paulo Maldini and play yourself out of trouble, pass the ball five times in your own box but. You don't just have to hug it and give the ball right back to the other team. Which is basically we did when audio. Claudio Paul Cal jury when he hit that shot her down the world of port-of-spain. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine, which put us in the one, thousand, nine, hundred, World Cup. And I don't know if he was. Passing the ball or what but it was an incredible goal. that. Put us in the nightstand.'? World Cup that was the first time. In forty years, we had been to World Cup we had missed nineteen fifty to one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety and Bob Gansler took that college. All Star. Team. Italy where they stunk obviously when Alda Punch Tomasco. obvio- Czechoslovakia got a red card. We lost one nothing to Italy Yali hitting the post on a penalty. and then Austria. Those little guys just running past the. Does walkers of the world it was it was embarrassing but at least they got there. They had something to on which to build Bob. Gansler was another guy coach who was born in Holland but raised in America and he didn't take gene harbors and the Roy waiter lease and the Tomas Dooley's he didn't. WanNa. Take guys who had an American passport or an American grandfather or even an American father Jason does. Zell. Tottenham player who had an American servicemen as a father no, he doesn't live here. I mean. It's stupid. Every other country does that look at when France last Senegal and South Korea in two, thousand and two half the French team was from Senegal or Cote d'Ivoire or the Cameroon, all these French colonial countries. Look at the arguably the greatest French player in history. The Dawn. Algerian. You you. If somebody qualifies for your country, you should take him but anyway it it went way backwards. It did. And that game where I saw claudio play he was the captain in the USA team at the Aisle Shoka, velten Serena and care can. was two goals. I tell, us. Garage. Not Thomas Karate. Thomas Rochat. Ski. Arsenal and a yon colour who at that time was plan for Borussia Dortmund. Headed in a corner. And it was over. But at least we were in the Damn World Cup. And it's hard to get to the World Cup if you play. In South America or in Europe. Or even in. Africa really but it's a cinch if you play in Asia. Or if you play in North America, if you're any good you go. And so I kind of feel like we took many steps backwards the goodyear. All the emails I get I said Soccer Federation. Delete them because I was so disgusted. Is Disgusted. In them and would you say I'm being a SNOB maybe but You know it's just there's no excuses like if you look at the last World Cup where. I didn't go how soccer nation like Holland and go well. At a bad time like Germany went out in the first round of the World Cup. Last time around it was the first time Germany every day and get to the knockout stages. And for them, that was an unmitigated disaster. Holland didn't go Italy missed it cycle. It happens in Europe now and then if you're not ready, you'RE GONNA get punched in the face you should never get punched in the face I el Salvador or by Nicaragua. That's just not acceptable in any way shape or form. So right now you've got an American picking the team and you've got an American coaching, the team which makes me nervous makes me very nervous though the young guys like the delves and the rain is who are stead Claudio San doing really well in the Bundesliga. Those guys are going to carry. It's because as I, said, we're either too dumb or overconfident to think that even though we missed out an entire cycle. We've got this. We don't need help from the experts. We we know how to play soccer now. and. The answer is we don't we have all the talent in the world, but you have to get it overseas I Christian. Pulisic. I could John O'Brien like a Yo von crops ski those type of. You gotta I got cloudy on the show and I. I had turns to soccer right come on back for those of you who are still with US sports byline, USA? 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Our two of scintillating sports you thought it couldn't get any better, but it sputter rix it'll is back. He's so great. I can't believe how awesome he is more sports talk. Yes. Couldn't get any better but it spotter rich analysts back. He's so great. I can't believe how awesome he is more sports talk. Yes. Our two of leading sports. Out. To. All right. Thank you for that and welcome back to the show Rick Tila with you coast to coast and around the world on the American Forces Radio Network. It's our pleasure to welcome to the show Michael Brook the. Founder of e a sports it's in the game and Michael Welcome to the show first of all. What was the catchphrase that got? Rejected when you narrow it down to its in the game, what were the other possibilities there? You know we started out as as EA, sports, network and ESPN kind of complained about that. We had a certain it to to EA sports but you know I think we've pretty quickly narrowed out to if it's in the game, the game because our games were able to capture sports more realistically than previous Games at that time. And that's the thing to as you got started. I mean. Now there's so slick if look at Madden or the NHL or any of the Games, you guys put out. There so slick, it sometimes feels like you're watching it on TV but on those early days, sixteen bits on the genesis. And getting Ron Bar. To be your guy, what was it like in those those early days did you have any idea? You guys would be something become? So iconic. where we you know you always hope that as as a designer now, I don't think that that that we ever thought that that game with have. Versions thirty years later, or you know even more surprisingly that that that people would still be focusing on on a early gain like NHL Ninety. Four. I guess ironically the The the part that was most realistic about those those games probably was the sound. If you were just hearing the game, you might think that people who are watching a real hockey game or football game and And and I think back captured a lot of people's imagination. and. I know that you are responsible for negotiating a lot of those EA licensing agreements with MLB NFL NHL The players association and all that, and I can only imagine. These guys sitting in some Manhattan high-rise with twenty lawyers just stare daggers at you. I don't know what was that like. it was very challenging to negotiate the licensing deals. Mostly, because Both the League's Players Association I didn't really done video-game before they done things like card deals and merchandise, and so the fact that you had a playable game where people could say fight or or That that. That the players were represented in the in in in in a game form and you could take control of the players, do things with the players that you know they may not do. So I think that that. That made it challenging to convince these guys hey, this is something different. We kinda need a different kind of royalty structure. We need a different approval process Yeah. I think they got on board quickly when they started getting the royalty checks but prior to that. It was it was challenging and we started out a game like John Dot in football is not having NFL license did not have the players association license and yet we were able to have a really successful gained by using he names are sorry up pity names and team colors, and player numbers so. We kinda pushed the League's into into licensing. Of course, madden now is A. Cultural icon, it's a phenomenon people will line up. night before these video game stores, open billions, and billions of dollars total sales since. I guess it was nineteen eighty eight but I've heard different versions about how you got. John Madden to put his name on it, and if he was first choice or did he know what he was putting his name on at that come together that you got coach Beyond the box. Yeah I trip Hawkins who founded EA at had a a vision of creating a football game and he and he always wanted a coach to. Kinda represents the game and use the playbook and and help out on creating the game and he ended up with with with John Matt and I don't think it was necessarily as I too but but he ended up with Matt and this was the mid eighties for for for computer football. Game. Ultimately that. was. Challenging because of the computer wasn't technically capable of handling and eleven on eleven football game, and finally when video games came along, we were creating a a an arcade football game. So John Madden was originally not art of the arcade game that we were creating from scratch. We we added him on Lake actually as a as a way to not have to write off the I'm I'm a crude royalties from the from the computer game so. Once, we added them on and then the game did that did really well, the first John Madden football game you know it was it was On from there and it became John Madden football and and we locked that in the game more realistic that crew to be just Having, his name on the game just added so much realism to to it. And I think now it's. It's hilarious how we've taken another step and that is with the player ratings that come out when the game comes out, and then the response we see this with soccer players with fee as well. It's like speed this hands this you know and they're like, Oh this rating is way too low for me and people literally get bent out of shape now because it's that important to them because the entire generation of NFL players at their age they've had madden in their life, their entire lives now. Yeah it's ironic the the first the video game I was referring to the Sega Genesis game that originally did not have John, Matt and I. He was built around fake teams and and I was I was providing the ratings for the different players. In the game we wanted some variation where you know one t might have a running quarterback in other might have a good passing quarterback and. You know for as an aid for me to keep track of who is supposed to to do you have different attributes like running or passing I, you know we put in real players faiths on real player. So yeah, Joe Montana might be great passer Ando cutting might be great at at running and and once we put that in for testing purposes he started playing with it with the eighteen that we had originally planned in the first first video game I. People just loved it and everybody wants their own team and they're somehow manage to fit sixteen teams, and so it's kind of ironic that the very first madden I didn't even have all the all the NFL teams represented and and then you know John that comes up to and and he says you know in the locker room players are like asking me why am I rated this I? Why am I not better than this diet I, started to get calls the producer at why was I rated like this and it was just really interesting to find out that that even though we're just using player numbers that the players themselves. So much as how personally how they were rated in the game and I guess that really brought it home for me that wow this this matters maybe I should get a professional and to do that the the the ratings but we didn't really go that route and and. For the first step for the first few years, but it is crazy I agree. All. Right. We've been speaking with Michael Brook, EA Sports co-founder. Always. 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Rick. tiddle is the father of my child but I'm one hundred percent sure rick. tittle is a Jack Ass. Also, very nice anyway. Welcome back to the show rick to the with you coast to coast and around the world on American forces. It is Halloween coming up here in about ten days and I don't know how fun. It's GonNa be with Cova, which is ruined everything But if we're healthy, we shouldn't complain. Because of the Halloween season horror icon Bill Moseley. Is Nice enough to join us for a few minutes and he's been in so many rate movies over the years and me as a horror fan. I think most people aren't remember him as chop top from Texas chainsaw. Remember is the. Captain and army of darkness. They'll welcome to the show. Do you ever like switch channel some nights and you? See a movie and you're like wait I think I was in this and you went oh yeah, I was like you forget some of the stuff you've done. I never know. No I don't but I haven't seen everything I've been in let's put it that way. So, they shoot it they put it in a can or they posted for two years and then you just kind of never get around to watching it That's that's that's become more and more true and I'm not sure what that indicates I don't know that indicates that I'm just getting old. but there have been some movies that I have been in that I see. And I think probably it comes down to you know. Memories of actually shooting the movies that you know and I even even sometimes when you're actually working and you're doing your best and you kind of look around you and you go, I'm not sure if this is really going to You know make the top ten. But? That's That's that's our job you know and and I think at this point you know I always you know we all hope that everything we do is turns out like the Devil's rejects or For, that matter army of darkness I mean there's they're a bunch of movies that have turned out great a lot of times I go into them with with high expectations and I try to. Approach every job you know try to do my best but some just You know don't quite. Have enough air into their wings. Let's say that the the runway. After being doubt. And all the directors you worked for you have. Maybe. An anecdote on. Tarantino from Grind House. You know actually I didn't work with him what I did was I worked again with director I've worked with the many times. So Rob Zombie and rob directed the fake trailer called the where we'll women at the SS and I was in that and that was actually a part of Grind House. Right meant, I met Clinton at a at an ACURA party for a wrap party But I didn't work with them specifically. But I actually would happen. Was that on Ryan House on our particular fake trailer, which was included in Grind House one of the one at the actors in who starred in our little segment was Nicholas Cage. And who is just a you know crazy guy at least that's what I thought and this this past November and December I was over in Japan shooting a movie Called Prisoners of the ghost land starring Nick Cage, and so I got that meet him and certainly work with them and get to know him a little bit better in Japan and he is a great guy I love nick cage he he's into it. No matter what kind of story crazy it gets he's right into which is the way I like to do it and We had a ball he he's a great guy. So when that movie comes out, you know with Cova Delays, etc. I'm not sure when it's going to happen but I would definitely give it a give it a view prisoners of the ghost. Land And you played the governor. The governor. Yeah. Sure. Did I played them. Kinda it was it was a cross between Colonel Sanders Bug Horn leghorn. And had a ball doing it love. Japan. The Japanese that director Siahaan so no. So No has an incredible filmography forward for you He's done some great great stop. So if you get a chance to. Check him out, go to youtube or wherever you find movies Ceylon. Sono. He's done some really cool stuff. What by that I were speaking with a Bill Moseley. Lot people might not know that you are a year league ruined through your grandfather played football for Yale. Your Dad was the captain of the. Football Team I mean, this is like, what is it the skull and bones? I mean. How how new haven are you? You're about as Yale as. I know and actually we as kids we used to say skull and bones the dad who was in Scotland boats I would not and and dad would have to get up and leave the room that was some kind of skull and bones rule. So we would do. But. Yeah, I I was I was very happy to go to Yale but the it is finally the The succession has finally been broken I have two daughters. My older girl went to Bard, college and upstate New York and art college me and my younger daughter just graduated via zoom from here in Los Angeles from Ucla. And it was Kinda Weird to see her child into that in the bedroom with the computer monitor and she had she had a cap and gown I really sure where she got it and she sat there and you know looking staring at the computer screen in graduating which was kind of You know it it was sweet because she was finally college theater. Of course she wasn't really you know it wasn't like a traditional graduation where everybody gathers throws their mortar boards up in the air and everything. So it kind Kinda Kinda weird but. Yale seems to have taken a pause. Is there a film that you've done because listen they're not all winners and you know every every show I do with the same as a movie but you know they're not keepers. Is there one that you you did and you thought? That's so much. Regret it but just thought man that was a real Turkey that thing. no 'cause that's happened in a often enough So when I try to do is go in with you know I, you know as I say, a lot of people ask you know how do I? Approach you know any given movie What I do is I try to read the script three or four times just to get the general lay of the land. So I know what I'm doing I know what my character is up to it. You know and who the other players are and where we are and what's going on. So I do that at this point because I have, you know an age a agents and managers and things that deal with the financial side of it. My job is to suit up and show up I get there early I stayed laid a nice to the craft service people because they're the ones that make the sandwiches. And and I. And I hope that I get through it That don't get hurt and the check clears. And if that happens. then. I'm perfectly happy that I may happy. Camper Shit. Sometimes, also low budget, low budget feature Sometimes, what happens is that you have you know they you know the production will spend a lot of money on a name actor and then there's no money left or anything else like like a stunt coordinator and so sometimes they come up to go look Would you mind? We we? All we need to do is to have We're going to wrap a chain around your ankle and the other end goes to the back of a pickup. We're GONNA drag you just. Just one hundred feet. And a gravel road and I was like, no. No. Yeah because they don't have a stunt guy. I was on one. In. Mexico excuse me where And it was a Russian producer and the stunt coordinator was the guy that delivered his paper every morning you know the kid on the bicycle throws the paper onto the lawn and and. The Guy I guess he didn't have the money or whatever the producer. So he hired the paper boy, you know it could be the stunt court. That was that was scary. We haven't been following with or ICON, Bill Moseley and As he said, look for with the Nicholas. Cage, prisoners of the ghost land it bill. Thanks you dropping by man it was great to talk to you and Let's. Let's do it again sometime. That sounds good. Happy Halloween you guys and Just make sure that say candy is safe and You know and wear a mask. I guess it's the time of year you do that anyway That's exactly right. We're a mask under your mask. All right I'm. A quick break, and we will come on back with Joe thighs among. Staff. Hey Andy if you don't know me it's probably because I'm not famous but I did start a men's grooming company called. Harry's the idea for Harry's came out of a frustrating experience I had buying razor blades. Most brands were overpriced over designed an out of touch at Harry's our approach is simple. Here's our secret. 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Forces thank you so much for what you do to make our lives safer and believe me just know that you are appreciated and cared for hope you're staying safe during these crazy times as best you can no matter where you are in the world. Just I took I took what I thought were six big key oportunities one. Basically, I sorta get into a little bit and that is a participatory management, which means that if you're a part of an organization, it's important that you have the ability to be able to share your knowledge fair. Your experiences share your thoughts. With management. To let them know that you're out in the field you see what's going on in your a very valued contributor to what the company can do and what they're able to accomplish. another one is is basically a competitive edge I. Talk about a little bit but how do you gain a competitive edge in life? How do you gain a competitive edge business or in sports You know for example, you look at the Kansas City chiefs, they gain a competitive edge because of. System of their quarterback and because of the speed on the field. So you know those were some that don't fit into the heading, but I do deal with them in the content of the book. But some of the ones that are in there like opportunity I think life Dow is an opportunity for us to look at things because they are so different than they were attitudes, priests eat everything we do in our lives I believe everybody needs goals and other big proponent of writing them down teamwork. In the world of business customer service motivation those things like deal with night I tell stories and. I talk about. What I think is important to us to be able to get ahead in life never would presume to tell somebody how to be. A success. But SORTA lay out I myself or we appleseed. I sort of put little nuggets out there and take the seat and see if he grows for you. And then in these times as you mentioned I, mean we're all going through the pandemic for the first time and and we know how long it was going to last. It's still going. So we've been faced a lot of challenges not just with work, but with our our relationships and some maybe some people are alone or maybe you know some relationships have been tested because now you have that that cabin fever and what are some of the ways that that that you've kind of coped in these cooped up times joe? Well, you know you make some great points because everybody says, times have changed I. I sort of agree with that but I prefer to look at it in this way under this pandemic in the pandemic oriented, and hopefully rick, we never have to go through anything that thing like this again in our lifetime and our children's lifetime or grandchildren's lifetime. we you know you you get a chance during this time where you have to look at yourself, you have an opportunity now to not only look at your businesses and the way they're run or your relationships with your customers, but it's also your relationships with your family. It's your relationship with yourself. I mean I would venture to say that the end of February is about when this thing started middle of March. When? Our lives would go on if this had the curd, we would probably be doing the same things that we've been doing over and over and over again. And it really forced us to stop and take a look at ourselves and our businesses like I say in our relationships in football for example, we have a week. And you know the Sixteen Games, you get that seventeenth week and it's a by we. And coaches don't study opponents during that by week they studied themselves. They. WanNa see what tendencies Dave developed. They WanNa see ways to be able to better utilize personnel and individuals and I. think that's that's the opportunity that exists for us for ourselves in society it's a chance to examine ourselves. There are so many things and changes that are occurring society. It's time to take a step back and think and listen and find out what other people are thinking, how are you running your business seek input what are your customers want? You may not be face to face with them, but you certainly can interact with them on your various devices as far as communication goes. I I. Think. You just have to take a step back and. Sort of. Refocus Your Life look at some opportunities that you maybe thought about checking into, and now is the time to do it. You know you can only paint the kitchen so much. You can only cut so much grass. Only, plants only glance and I think it's a chance to be able to travel some friends of mine of just it look. You know we're GonNa hop an RV and we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA. Do some things we never did. We talked about them and I say this all your listeners out there how many things have you talked about doing and never get them. I don't know if there's a better time than now to be able to do those things you talked about and go get them done. And so I just can't get stagnant. I I I know if you have a family of five. The. The the parental parents in the House and then you've got the three choke I mean everybody needs their states everybody meets time and I think during this period, we need to be smart. We need to social distance we need to wash your hand we need to wear a mask. I mean, we got to a point where we've opened up a lot in the country because we've been smart. Now's the time to get foolish especially coming to quote unquote was considered the flu season. And I find it ironic that. There's very few cases of flu. report it and yet the symptoms are somewhat similar to what it is with. covy. So it's Know it's just something you can. You can look at your life and say, okay, this is my chance to to refocus and rebuild and do the things I wanted. Also a couple more questions for former NFL MPP. Joe Theismann. your NFL team. Of course lawsuits name. We've discussed that in the past, and then we heard rumors that maybe warriors maybe read tales we'll just last night Jason Right the president of the team said, Hey, you know the way the timing is working. We're probably just going to call ourselves Washington football club next season as well. So I just wanted what your thoughts on all that well, I obviously the name being used is that something that just occurred overnight? This has been a topic of conversation for decades. And it finally has finally occurred this particular year. I felt that the choice to call themselves the Washington football team at this time made a lot of sense instead of jumping in instead of choosing a main. Take time to think about what you WANNA do take time to think about the names that that would be acceptable to most people not every nothing is GonNa be acceptable to everyone but to most people and if it takes a year takes two that's fine. I hope that they will come up with a name at some point in time other than the Washington football team. And you know Jason Very Bright Young Man who has been brought in as president of our organization and I'm excited to see him make decisions and move forward and and. You know help our organization be special. and so if it's gonNA take another year. So I I. You know Rick I. Don't know what the hurry is. You. Know we are the Washington football team now like I said I believe that it should probably will be changed to another name at some point in time but I don't know where the hurry is and I'm glad we're taking time to really think about what that next step is going be. Doubt and I also wanted to ask you about Dwayne hoskins because obviously he was fantastic at Ohio state and it was. Just. I thought a great moment of serendipity a win win for the young man and the team that he fell to his hometown team at that slot. Now hearing about how you know he's getting benched and they're gonNA look for quarterback in the draft they have not given up on Dwayne Haskins yet have they do? I don't believe. So I don't believe it all and you know Dwayne I. Don't know if he's back in the facility I know for the last week or so he had a virus or flu of some type that kept him away. I'm not sure if he's back. In the silver in practicing I don't believe they'd given up on 'em dwayne unfortunately had a couple of circumstance of actually a number of circumstances that SORTA came up. That didn't help his situation at all number one you had a coaching change. Well, let's go back. Let's go back to last year when he started the last seven games. Jay Gruden was fired Bill Kelly and the offensive line coach became the head coach and the Washington football team went from like forty sixty passed to run. To sixty forty run to pass. So there was a philosophical change on offense. Then in the off season, he worked hard. He lost some weight. You didn't have OTA which I've all season train. You didn't have a mini camp where you brought everybody in. You didn't have a training camp you didn't have a pre season. So. He never really had a chance to get acclimated to the third thing, which was an entirely new coaching staff and in new philosophy new terminology, new concepts plus all new wide receivers a whole new runningback set. And I think he was a little bit of a you know a victim of and offense lying that was was was and he's still struggling. So there were a lot of things that really contributed to Duane not being able to continue as the quarterback. I don't believe you organization is giving up on them I think it takes time. and you'll be able you know basically will be able to go out and compete for that job Next year, Kyle Allen, is the quarterback. Alex Smith is the backup and Alex is coming onto thirty six and what a great story that is as far as comeback player of the year. The fact that if you saw that project eleven which was on E. E. Sixty on ESPN, you saw what he went through in recovery from the leg injury, which was exactly like mine up until the point when he got all the infections. Four different in sections seventeen different surgeries and areas. Playing quarterback in the national football is just phenomenal story. But I, don't think is because I don't think they've given up on I. Think you know Dwayne may be impatient young man like every young guy is when they in life and wants to see things happen now. But the quarterback position is a process Tom Brady is a good friend. Peyton manning is a good fund. These guys I talked to in their twentieth year Eighteenth Year of playing the game and there was still a quest for knowledge. Still trying to learn more about the game has changed. So I I I hope they haven't given up on them I don't think they have, and now it's just a question of being able to you know sort of swallow the pill that's been belting in go after it and try and get better what he does. There is former NFL man of the year is men recommend picking up his new book how to be a champion every day six timeless accused the success from radius, book group, Joe Great. Hearing Your Voice Let's talk football again soon, my friend. Yeah. Please give me a call catching up with you take care and everybody out there. Please stay. All right. Great stuff. I'm the we'll take a quick break come on back on sports file us. and. Attention to anyone that's written a book a wants to write a book. The process is not that complicated take a first step. Even if you write a page a day you build momentum and your book will become a reality. The hard part is getting it published. That's when you need to call page publishing they've got hundreds and hundreds of thank yous from different new authors just like you they make the process of publishing your new book and getting it sold online a simple process you can learn. 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As we close out our number two of three right now. The dodgers announced that their game two starter as they won last night. We'll be Tony Goslin twenty, six years old facing. Blake's now blake's now of course A. First Round Pick who won a CY young award and Tony Johnson was a later round pick out of Saint Mary's College. The college that gave us Rick Tuttle and others. But anyway, yeah, he's we're both. Saint. Mary's former Saint. Mary's athletes. He did a little bit better than I did athletically. but. I just wonder about our friends stu the head coach at Vacaville high this is one of his. Players and who grew up with his sons and played little league with his sons and it's one thing to get drafted and we were just so excited when he got drafted by the dodgers. then. They made him a fulltime pitcher who was minor league pitcher of the year for them. And then when he made his debut last year. STU and everybody flew down to Phoenix where they're playing the diamondbacks that day and it's amazing like I said just to make the team a make your high school team is a fantastic accomplishment. Truly is it's great that you make the team. He's now going to be starting in the world series or a storied franchise and I. Do not like the dodgers, but they are a storied franchise and. I hope that the I hope that he. Pitches eight innings of Shutout Ball, and then the bullpen blows it for them. All right. I'm until we got another cupper wheel one Alabama I should say so come on back. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network art man newsfeed Dot Com. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by. On facebook twitter and INSTAGRAM's. School system shifts gears on the Brady Fox News Boston public schools are going all remote for now Fox's Goodall Scott has this live. 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State of the state before the World Series and I've seen a couple of days before I saw a couple of in person in the NBA with. Adam. Silver giving his State of the state one time in the. As batting cage, which was basically saying like Lake of building a new stadium because we're doing this press conference in a batting cage right now and it's OK indoor batting cages much bigger. The way. It wasn't a teeny went outside. Rob. Manfred. And his bosses. And he has thirty bosses. On all the teams want to keep the expanded postseason format. And the extra inning hybrid her rule. A lot of these rules of course came out of the cove in nineteen pandemic. Obviously. and Manfred direct quote is. I like to. I like the idea of an I'm choosing my words carefully here an expanded playoff format. I don't think we would do sixteen like we did this year. Think we do have to be cognizant of making sure that we preserve the importance of our regular season but I think something beyond the ten. We were at would be a good change. Now, what does he mean? Well, first of all, they're embarrassed that the astros nearly got to the world series. With a losing record and could have basically steamrolled an NL opponent at this point which they did not want to see happen not just because of banging on trash cans because they had a losing regular seniors in record. But what they want is fourteen teams. How do I know that because that's what they asked for last year. I would mean the number one seed in each league gets a by the LDS round Latter Day Saints League Division series. And then the other six play a best of three wildcard series if you'd like to call it that and then the higher seeds remember, what would they be able to do? They get to pick who wins which adds so much hot sauce that recipe. The intrigue of we want you Oh you want us. Yeah, we want you because the other teams better. and. The funny thing is is that if that ever happens, let's say we're picking them because beat the best you got to be the best. You got to beat the best and we're now no, you're picking them because you think they're week. So the owners have. Wanted Expanded postseason for a long time because of the obvious reason of cash equals money big time. And the players do not get paid their salaries during the postseason, believe it or not. They get postseason bonus money and a lot of that is tied to gate revenue this year, there's a fifty million dollar pool that they will split. Lots of revenue at a low cost but I think it's important to remember that baseball cannot unilaterally implement expanded playoffs a lot of things. Like. Changing the rules, they don't have to ask the Union. If they say it's now two strikes and you're out, there's nothing players can say. So I mean boycott or They could strike. But, it is a significant bargaining chip. Or the Union, Oh you want. This. So what are we get and the Union will not give in very easily. So, they'll use the expanded postseason format to definitely extract some. Concessions from MLB what would that be well, how about raising minimum salary? That would be a big thing. Not just raising minimum salary. How about earlier free agency? Not Six years in the bigs. As for that extra inning tiebreaker MLB, of course, put a guy on second to begin next every extra inning and would not make an earned run. He said, I think the players like it. I think it's really good from a safety and health perspective that keeps us from putting players in situations where they're out there too long or in positions they're not used to playing. And, that's the thing you remember when I had. If you didn't, I'll tell you Ken quarterback on my show. Right, when the playoffs were beginning to talk about the as he's the voice of the as he liked the extra inning rule. Does a little bit surprised though because Canada's an old school guy but I think it can get stale. I'm still against it. Still, against it, because what you're saying is like we need to get this damn thing over with. You know well, if you really wanted to get it over with just put a clock on it, that's the thing about every other sport we know it's going to get over at a certain point. Because the clocks going to run out and you can't play anymore. It's part of the rules. So I mean look it makes everything much more nail biting. We of all sat through fifteen seventeen eighteen in games where you just figure I have no sympathy forever whoever loses because both teams suck I I think a lot of people like this rule more than they expected is because it led to action and it didn't lead to a guy getting on and the next guy sacking him over, which has gone on one hundred, twenty years. And, you could say that a marathon game is more fun in theory than in reality. It doesn't take much longer for an extra inning game to go from exciting to let's get this over with and that can't happen. They said we now move to the fourteenth inning you're like I can't I can't take it in someone please win this game. Was? Getting. Ludicrous. So. The Union has to agree. On the extra inning tiebreaker. Leave it or not. And Tony. Clark said we made a number of one year changes. This season under unique circumstances. We are gathering feedback from players and we'll bring that to the league at the appropriate time. Obviously, protecting health and safety will remain among several important considerations as those talks unfold. and quote, and it's No accident that Clark. Said right there. Did you see the verbiage? One year changes. And the Union knows that MLB is desperate to keep these plans around. Now the next CPA we've talked about it expires in December of next year's we have more than a year to run on that. They do have to agree to some of these modified rule changes with pandemic and also it almost goes without saying now. That we're not gonNA have the the National League. And that will upset. It shares who could actually hit and it will upset multiple people I would like to keep it even though I'm not a fan of it I'd like to at. Some sort of differentiation or distinction between the two leagues. Otherwise. What's the difference between the League's? I mean if you put in the universal, you might as well just make a California division. A. You got three teams in the National League in California. and. The padres and the dodgers and the giants, and then you've got the AL team in the as well. Health role the mariners in there, and now you got a West Coast Division to five teams and they are. And then you can you know. The diamondbacks and the rockies and put them with the Astros and the Rangers it could go that way as well. So you know I don't know which way it goes one way or the other. 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This is a this is a gritty story if you think about the plot of you being a famous MMA fighter but an abusive dad, and then you you fight your son in the ring right there. I'm already on the edge of my seat. So what was that like for you when you first saw the script? Well I I I yeah. I read Data McKenna wrote the script was. A screenwriter that I always been a fan. Avi Road blow in American history acts and really great soames and this script was. I hadn't really read a script. with the backdrop of kind of MMA and UFC and stuff that was this strong I mean basically had real. Gritty Gritty Father Son story set against the backdrop of this kind of beast of character. I tried to think of lightweight champions whether it was Kinda taking a little from Conor McGregor or even a floyd mayweather in the boxing you know as far as just business sensibility flash tons of money for days. You know this is a guy that's bringing in six seven, million pay per views every time he fights me. is not the most likable guy you know but I found the story really riveting and a world in which. I thought would be interesting premise for for feature film and in the end I think we've made something really special that hasn't hasn't been done before. So yeah, I'm pretty pumped about it. I usually pick apart everything I do with this is. Something that I'm really proud of. So Yeah I can't wait for people the trailer launched yesterday and. Getting all these calls. So seems like a lot of people picking it up I just want to get as many is on it as possible. Yeah. Yeah, and and Steven this you're going from strength to strength because all the movies you've done and you've done some really good ones the. True. Detective, the third series there. I think that was maybe your best work and having the gut as you got older I mean you and I love her shell we went to the same little college. So I'm always pulling for him he's great but I'm sure you've got a lot of. Praise, from detective because. Highly memorable. We did you go to college with Mercia than in Oakland? Well we're from the same area and we went to the same college I'm a lot older than him. So I got yeah. No I mean I love to detective I was going through. A rough patch lost my little brother the year before in an accident on it was just very random in really changed my life and. At a nowhere I wasn't really thinking about acting and I was kind of not really getting. Stuff that I loved and. Wasn't a good place. So sad basically in the got a call that they wanted me for the Nutri detective I was like Jeez. I was a huge fan of. Of of Nick Lotto on the first series in the second one, I was working at a town I. Didn't quite get into I. Note was very. Kind of put together very fast on the success of the first one and for whatever reason didn't quite hit and then he took about three four years on this one getting this one ready in I was just as soon as I read the material as soon as I knew what the part was as soon as I knew Marcia was there I was like, wow. This is I've never done A. Kind, of a been show, I've never done a an opportunity where I can have eight hours with character as opposed to just you know an hour and a half or one hundred minutes. So I found it to be incredible yet it really opened up a lot of doors for me and changed my career, and so I really have a soft special place for that project in. Got Me work. In got me really healing on my brother's side of things and. which led to embattled which I filmed right after and You Know Nick Our our first time director loses US debut. Here he took a long time to get this movie almost you know year and a half almost two years but that was waiting on great technician sound designers and he just did really have to do to get them on the film, and now we've got our film November twentieth. Is Country get to it. So I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty happy with how it all. Yeah. Thanks for that with detective man that was a meaningful, really special experience interacting with Herschel over three decades was. Something that I just you don't see those scripts very often that writing it just doesn't exist you know. Notes. Out. Yeah this was another special one and I really wanted to make it. So I kinda signed up for while I was shooting through detected. Trainer Chris Colony. Connolly's with as well as I mentioned an Chris your job was to make Stephen Dorf look like a world champion MMA fighter, and there's nothing worse than sports movie where a Pitcher camp pitch or a quarterback can't throw a football. So. How how hard? How easy was it? What was that working relationship like? Man. Yeah it we wanted to make sure that the single authentic in the worst thing about fight movies looking at guys that can't fight you know split. So Stephen hit the ground running just came in fresh off detected from we started pulling long hours long days right away. It was almost like a mini fight camp. And how quickly they picked it up was really really impressive and I think they get a really good job in the film of making the fight scenes. You know the coordination that the way that it all worked out I think was great. You know the the cool thing was. For Miami was trying to think about the fact that we're telling the story while we're putting while we're in the middle of a fight. So you know trying to make it look we put a lot of real moves in there. Was a lot of hard work, but the man who made it easy know he's he's done stuff like this before and it showed. So we picked it up quick and I think it worked out really well. Now Stephen of course. anime fighters are also well known for their cats and you had to get tattered up big time with some I would imagine temporary. That did they I mean instead of going to makeup and getting them fresh every day did they give you like temporary? Hannah ones how does that work when you gotta get all inked up like that? Actually, a extra in the last thank God for make up in Alaska. Probably nine years I've gotten a lot of tattoos on my arm so. I was able to show him and We had to put him on Alex at remember my double. and it was funny to stand next to Alex comes in the hallway and behaving like tattoos of you know. My Mom's you know saying, my dad personal tattoos that we never get too close on, but it was kind of a we added some for cash in those usually last a few days. But with sweat and hitting the mats and stuff they're gonNA, they're gonNA start to peel I know Darin. Had some some added but yeah, it's usually I have a great makeup guy on to detective John Blake. Who who's worked with me on a bunch of films in my projects recently and he's a he could tat he can cover my arms and make completely untested in about twenty minutes and but on this movie was actually I was pretty I was pretty free. All I got was my fake ears you know to get those colleague flower ears. So those were prosthetics that I would get every morning. Because you gotTa have those ears as a fighter that's been doing this for years That's where usually shows And And you know but it was a great makeup people can add or take off but usually for the most part. Yeah it's not it's not a handout, but it's kind of transfer. You know to answer your question in those transfers can last up to a week if you're not taking too many showers. Last. Question for you gotTa Run Stephen Is. All movies you've done and like I said, you've done a lot of I really liked. Public enemy so that that one of the, but of all the all the TV you did when you're a kid as well when people see you on the street, who do you get like what character I know true detective is fresh in our minds but maybe what is the one of the other roles that really resonates with with your fan? Obvious. What are the obvious ones is? This blade probably. Deacon Frost from the First Blade 'cause I you know it just was. So it was the first marvel movie marvels kind of taken over the world and It's you know the comic book fans and just the most I guess mainstream wise it probably be Blade and then but then you know. I've Kinda hit all different venues in movie-making. So you know some of the crowd will be like I love your sophy. Oakland movie somewhere I. Love You know Some people will say public enemy some people. Love immortals, which I wasn't a huge fan of that movie but it made a lot of money. So you know like you never know I mean I get different different genres, different but blade I would say takes the cake still twenty some odd years later it's like just Dawn. Lives on I. Remember the the the immortals poster eleven, Eleven, eleven, right Yeah. I was kind of like the APP movie with swords was a bit You know in a Nice People Nice Nice movie but not it wasn't like my favorite experience because it was all blade. What was cool about that was we had a lot of effects driven sequences but it was pretty grounded. So we shot the movie more like you would have shot a movie like heat you know we're out in downtown we're out in the streets Even though we're vampires you know there was obviously the green screen, but immortals was just one of these movies where it's all fake in. It's all green screen and the end of the day I'm not really a huge fan of that I mean it's just quite boring to spend four months a parking lot, and then just go into the green screen every day I like to kind of be. In the spaces and beyond the streets and being real location. Sometimes, it gives me more of a feeling of being in the world that I'm in but you know certain movies on technical movies you know when you obviously do an animated or a big. Concept, film that requires all those facts you're going to be on a green screen. Most of the time you know but you know it was fine. Every experience is different but you know, I prefer movies like embattled I prefer. When we're in an arena were in in arena were in the in house street or Jim were in the house of the street or the gym you know and being in the place where takes place is also I think sometimes really. Important. But not doesn't always work that way. You know he's sems have to shoot a movie that takes place in. La. In London you know but you know so it always changes but But that does that answer your question? Yes, it does I gotta get to the next one we've been speaking with actor Stephen Dorf and trader Chris Connelly movie from IFC is called embattled it's going to be coming out on November Twentieth Gentlemen Thank you so much congratulations on the film and I hope it does well, it looks like it's going to be a big. Kid. Thank you all right. Good stuff. All right. I'm right to come back on the other side on Sports Bob. Turn Hey Andy if you don't know me, it's probably because I'm not famous but I did start a men's group company called Harry's the idea for Harry's came out of a frustrating experience I had buying razor blades. Most brands were overpriced over designed an out of touch at Harry's our approach is simple. Here's our secret. 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Without using a thou- he was in he was I think I think there have been to just colossally brilliant Maybe three if you count devil's rejects with Collahuasi, hard movies. Want supernatural in nature and the other one's of just psychotic and nature, and it was the ring. But you know how I feel about Naomi Watts and positive with thousand courses I. think that's the finest hard movie made in the psychotic killer genre of the last twenty years. You should've called up and bowed down. You never you would've never let me come on air. I was so bad in the studio with you. How do you think it'd be on the phone? You also, you also came into the studio typhoid. Yeah always pretty thick and plus the headphones didn't work. So that's that's the excuse dinner. Are you watching up what? Are you watching it bike race now that you`re An endurance athlete yourself. Well. I I don't think I've ever heard of it. So no well, I mentioned it about once every two years. So you have it's just he Just. Refused to simulate it into your consciousness. What's it called? The Ciro Di Italia the Utah Yeah. Yeah, that's IT I. Know about that one kind of. What was the WHO is that linebackers wife used to have on that I spoke Italian once she thought it was nice. What was that? She was juilliard woman Julia Romanowski Yeah. That wasn't the brightest Costa. Host you have ever gotten, but she was a nice lady. I guess you know. I'll so mean next time I'LL GET JESSICA YOUNG BLOOD That is 'cause at Jack. Of Sort, of think of another, I don't know that that's her first name I was trying to think of linebacker. He was young Whoa Whoa, WHOA WHOA youngblood linebacker for the rams of thinking. Yeah Elliot the next time I'll get becky but kiss got. She's a nice enough lady. He didn't like I remember one time I really ticked her off when I said Yeah, you know the salary cap all you need for that as a spreadsheet. He thought I was like being really a complete condescending jerk and I was but I you know I'm sorry kind of her that day. So I was really Should just tell her. I tell her I get off on. Being that. Guy. Well you know it comes naturally records not anything that I plan in advance so. I watched I saw tweet of yours about Derek Carr to the effector, where are all the Derek, Carr haters now, and you know that I think the world of that Guy I think he and listen he's not a mahomes. He's not an Aaron Rodgers. He's but he is with. And he doesn't need elite weapons. Okay. You give him any semblance of protection. He will throw that Damn Ball. He's a good creative, very good quarterback I rank them you know the tier right below the elite guys I always thought it was released. Tremendous accuracy is tremendous. I think he sees feel well but you see a guy like even Philadelphia. Now I don Carson Wentz is all that great shakes but he's really good. We had an MVP caliber season the year they gave him weapons. And you can see what he looks like. Without having support and I think he's in that tier with Derek Carr where if you give them something, you know decent running game decent protection good weapons. You know they can beat the best team in the NFL I. Don't know if they're the best team in the NFL right now I think Tennessee may be but I think they can be the super bowl champions. I. It's funny. Is that the the raiders won that game and they went into their bye week and? By the way they always lose coming out of their by week but they usually I chew on a loss for two weeks and so on the one hand. I, kind of thought. Well, it's too bad. We're not playing next week to keep the momentum going but on the other hand that was one of the first by weeks where you actually could watch TV watch football and not feel horrible. Yeah well, I thought I was surprised you watch football because I remember you mentioning him more than one occasion that if the freighters playing. Like anything in the NFL I, you know what I did. I watched five minutes of the Niner game at the end when I saw the rams around the comeback. So yeah, it was five minutes but I did watch. Since he's in your area down there. I can't figure out of Jimmy Garoppolo is good or not I mean he's good just about any quarterback that can do what he does is pretty good but I can't tell is what what's your take on Garoppolo Rick? You know here's the thing. Dominant Dominic is the Niner Fan. So I like Jimmy Garoppolo I really. I really liked Garoppolo but I want dominic, who is the Niner Fan to answer this question dominant? Can you take this over? Yep Sorry I was driving headphones here Mario. Rebuttals yet no Jimmy Garoppolo is good and that's that's it. He knocks out there. He reminds me a lot of Alex Smith. He'll. He'll have his moments where he'll win you game. It'll be great ironically enough the first game I think for both of these guys were against the saints Garoppolo last year throwing all over the place to win a big game and then Alex Smith the big run but no Jimmy. Garoppolo, he's good. He's it's above average at best He's not the guy that is gonNA. Win You a super bowl. But governor you know, and that's sort of where I come down. With Garoppolo as well. But then I've also seen him light up to one of the best defense in the NFL. So you know he's got that in them I will grant you he had a hell of a lot of weapons. When he was W- last year right? He he had everything you could ask for including the best tight end in football but it's in there. I've seen him throw really good I've also seen him. I've also seen them look like Jameis Winston on occasion in terms of putting the ball in harm's way. But I get that all averages out to to what you're saying which he's pretty good. But is he I think he's better than Alex Smith just in terms of throwing the football but not much you know. I guess not much separate them in your mind. No. In my mind not much separates them. If anything at all one issue that I, it big issue with Garoppolo is a from a fundamental standpoint. He's he's got happy feet I know right now he's working with a sprained ankle. So. I'll give him a pass for that. But other than that. He still I know he doesn't have a lot of actual game time in terms of his career even though he's been around for a little bit he looks to us I read and if he's not there he panics. What you saw with Jared Goff and Dwayne Haskins when they were in their first year. That's something that should not be happening. I know he's played like a one full season in terms of games he's played but you shouldn't be at that point for Jimmy Garoppolo at this point and another thing is The stats for Garoppolo. Great. Like Oh, he threw for his accurate and he threw for all these yards than diners also led to the NFL in yards after the catch last year. Yes. Garoppolo have to place it correctly. Sure. But even this year he's he's wildly inaccurate and he you saw him, he was the reason George cadle got hurt. I. Know I think it was Kendrick born missed the block. But if Garoppolo puts the ball right into kittles chest ghetto can defend himself in a said he react high and he had to jump and. Yeah it was. It was it was all ninety percent Garoppolo on that one so The stature misleading if you look at it Oh man, he's great. Doesn't turn the ball over a lot but man when he turns it over, it's really bad that kind of gives me those James Winston vibes that you mentioned. I'M GONNA go look up because I. Think I'm probably there's what's Rick doing by having a cup of coffee what I'm GONNA. I'm giving you full team coverage here. So, I'm going to go look air yards for tap, which is a measurement metric they're using now to see where the ball like James every year was number one and number two on that list I'm GonNa go look up where Garoppolo on your because I do get that impression as well. One of the things car has been slammed for since he joined the raiders is he doesn't go the ball down the field budget I wanNA compare Garoppolos air yards if you're yards in the air before the ball is touched to cards, see what what's true about those the both those two guys that's interesting. That's an interesting point I hadn't thought of that. And in the grand scheme of things, it's a west coast offense kyle. Shanahan House working with what he has I get that but. It just this season alone he's missing slants the throws her behind guys there over guys. I even prior to the injury there's not really an excuse for that. Okay well, that's interesting for site. Appreciate. Dominic. Thanks for chiming in man. No problem. And that's that's the thing Mario was that and listen. There's a grain of salt there that dominance going to be a little hard on him because he cares and see, I don't care about the niners. So I'm going to be a little bit easier on him. So somewhere in the middle there and then you're gonNA look at some useless stat. Like. Completion percentage that everybody does. Like sixty percents impossible. A couple of guys the whole the whole how deeply throws whatever plays they're calling to. Well, I mean the the coach listen. Yeah, I'm not going to disagree with that. But if you've got a guy, you're not, you're not going to sit there and run deep routes like areas like Iran. If you have grew breeze because you can't get the ball downfield, it's a reflection of the of the quarterbacks ability to number one have the arm strength to drive the ball, but it's also a reflection of the confidence. The coach has to make those throws and and. How well the guy can execute the offense. I. Think if there is something that's not a use of that, there is information to be gleaned from that number. I got yeah I mean you're a football luddite though wreck I mean you know it's not surprising that you would dismiss that kind of information. Over the painting, the gleaners. Actually. Where did you see the gleaners? I think that's from the Dutch school isn't it? I don't know. Citizens. I started thinking about norm. MacDonald. Describing his visit to Amsterdam, did you ever see that on the Letterman show? I forget what did he say? He said Oh he's just depraved. Anywhere you go. There's whores. And Marijuana. That was hilarious. It's very funny. I I've I've actually seen norm a couple of times in person and. This come out. Yeah cops and he'll just come out and have a red bull and he'll just kind of stand around and I just remember he goes yeah. When you're my age and you get with the lady, it's a lot of shoving. Funny Maybe I. Shouldn't have said that. Yeah. All right. Anyway. Thanks for the call and as I said, I wanted to give you the perspective of a real niner fan. So thanks dominic. They're pretty cool. I'm ED thanks. Bye. Thank you. We'll take a quick break and we'll come on back on sports filing USA. Attention to anyone that's written a book a wants to write a book. The process is not that complicated take a first step. Even if you write a page a day you build momentum and your book will become a reality. The hard part is it published. That's when you need to call page publishing. They've got hundreds and hundreds of thank yous from different new authors just like you they make the process of publishing your new book and getting it sold online a simple process you can learn. How simple it is right now by calling for your free page publishing new authors submission kit, one, quick three minute phone call. That's all it takes to get free information and learn how you can get your book published. 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I mean if you've looked around, it's it's significantly more than this one individual but. It is absolutely amazing to hear and read things like this. The day after this story comes out the Orange County Department of Health is investing buildings. WWE, is running shows in part of the wider investigation into cove nineteen hot spots in the county. The Orange Department of Health is asking their cove in nineteen strike team to investigate seventeen businesses were cove nineteen may be spreading the WWE performance center full Sail University, and the Amway arena. All places wer curly holding events are on the list he realized that the actual Amway Center. The actual Amway Center, the home of the thunderdome there's nobody else doing anything there. Accept Debit me, and of course, same thing with the WWe performance center. W. We issued the following statement in response I noted in the opening segment maybe I shouldn't read too much into this, but these are the numbers that they gave everybody. WWE is not open to the public, but rather operating on a closed set with only essential personnel in attendance as part of ongoing weekly testing protocols of inches labs have administered more than ten thousand PTR tested wwe performers, employees, production staff, and crew. Resulting in only one point five percent positive cases as compared to the current national average of more than five percent. Additionally, extensive contact tracing takes place impacted individuals are placed in fourteen day quarantine and then only cleared after they test positive. So let me repeat that one more time. Event is, labs have administered more than ten thousand PCR tests. WHO WB performers employees production staff and crew resulting in only one point five percent positive cases. Do you know what that means if you do the math? Well that means one hundred and fifty. Performers employee's production staff and crew have tested positive. For the corona virus. Now granted. We knew that there had been a large outbreak and there are no official numbers because Debbie never released official numbers but I mean we'd heard around thirty eight for the big one and then there was another one and we didn't hear any numbers for the other one. But I mean I'd heard double digits for that one and granted it was low double. Digits, but that was the number that I heard and then a lot of people disappeared and to be fair some of those people that disappeared that was contact tracing disappearances. They actually didn't have it but they've been around people who did have it. But the fact of the matter is doubly in their own statement is essentially saying one hundred and fifty positive tests. That is insane and by the way. By the way I know for sure that there have been individuals that tested positive and then people that they lived with or or their families they ended up getting corona virus that would not even be counted in w east testing. So. That is a crazy number of people that have contracted corona virus directly as a result of W. E.. I, mean they could have said one percent they could've said point five percent like the number was fifty. Why wouldn't they have said point five percent because that's much more impressive than one point five percent I believe they basically to one hundred and fifty people involved in w me directly involved in wwe have contracted the corona virus and that doesn't count anybody that those people spread it to. That is incredible. Do you think any of them hung out at the guilt bar? Did I don't know. The. The forget all that I mean Chili's list here. No well as you shouldn't forget about all that because I would assume that the eight bars that they named are being investigated I have a feeling that more wrestlers may have maybe gotten together there as opposed to Oh, they're all over the place, the Jesus school or a starbucks performers, which two of the other places that they're looking at because when you pull those names off its bars and it's wwe on this list, it seemed to take most of it up. That is insane. But anyway. So that news comes out the next day we got somebody working for the company posting stuff about how the pandemic is whatever it's like two hundred and fifty people. Season Premiere everyone one point seven, eight, million viewers point five, two and eighteen to forty, nine down four percent and viewers nine percent of eighteen to forty, nine from the draft. declined. Probably. Less than would be expected. It says here Dallas Cowboys Arizona Cardinals. One Point or eleven point three, two, million viewers three point five, seven in eighteen to forty nine roth thirtieth overall I at third hour drops six percent much lower than usual. So that's at least good news. The institute in St longer than usual, which is a good sign, our one, point eight, million, our two, one, point, eight, four, million, it rose. And then our three one point six, nine, million. So. I mean I'm telling you this is this is the numbers. I mean they have not been drastically affected by football, which actually is good news I mean it's bad news because it probably means around royal rumble season. It's not gonNA go up that much but I mean if this stays solid here for. The foreseeable future than a lot of ways they will have bottomed out which. I mean it sucks that you've bottomed out but bottoming out, it's at one point seven, eight, million that eight the end of the world. So. Never Mind I. was going to have a joke about bombing me out but I won't use it. The only thing that I'll say is that we have gone back and forth over can they go lower and I thought that they could i. still think honestly in the one fives is probably where it really is. But the fact of the matter is they keep consistently falling in these one sixes. So certainly proves to be correct with the way this thing is going. Right now, although the thought that it could go a little bit lower if something happened in the right, you know everything kind of fell into place I could actually believe that I just don't know at this point what could possibly fall into place other than unfortunately what would be maybe a mess coming out of of November of election day that may be about it. Otherwise, I'm not sure at this point what can really stop them or on a Monday night anymore. And also tonight of course, we've got the annex T and Awa. Shows. And here's a lineups for everything by the way, there's nothing new announced for Helen, his cell we still have four matches. 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I think that would be great and I think Halloween havoc would actually be a tremendous time. If you're going to do something like that with monsters, it'd be great time to actually have him make another appearance. All right. This person says about wrestle kingdom mate event from a couple of days ago NATO less to three guys in the g one not an evil. Evil gets a title shot next. So he's out and this person says not lost in the finals I think he's out to I I. Don't know if I would say that he did not lose in the finals to Naito. So you could still do Sonata versus Naito night for the intercontinental title and then A. Bucci challenges him for either one or both titles depending on if you retains or not a night to I think that's actually the most likely scenario or vice versa, which is that Bucci gets his choice. He gets the title shot on the fourth. He takes that belt maybe sonatas pencilled in for the fifth and then he ends up taking the title and maybe we see. 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But that's the one thing we always talk about it that the women of the guys everybody needs work right now this is a great way for them to do it. It's also a great way for them by doing two hours have to put some ideas into motion or maybe some things that they might WanNa do in theory if in when they get the third hour officially on TNT or TBS or whatever Turner Network they might be on. Spurs near says I live in Orlando with all the bars being opened one hundred percent capacity. You can drive pass any of them and see crowds of people with no masks needless to say if any of the wwe wrestlers are going to any bar in the city, it is going to be trouble well. If you. If you have the antibodies for at least three months. Then there's one hundred and fifty individuals that probably aren't going to get it going to a bar in the next month or two. I'm not advocating any of this I'm just saying. I mean there. There's herd immunity in w e perhaps right now. Person here says I'm going to start texting in every day until you heap. Praise on John Moxie, title rain, both the work by Moxley and the booking by con using big words like ever vasant and Indubitably Jon Moxley Wrestler of the year twenty. Twenty hey listen. If you WANNA vote Jon Moxley wrestler of the Year Two, thousand twenty dude knock yourself out I'm fine with that. Do Gem Moxie is a great champion. Time. I apologize if it seems like I do not. You know the WHO's league he's not in. Hiroshima Tunnel She's. Drugs He may be a Florida he is. He is not an ace overall. It's the one thing that the g one prove hopefully rocky will talk about that when he comes on. But if these to meet I, WanNa see what happens here of these battles vases, I'm so going Tallahassee. Person here says, is it possible some of those one hundred and fifty positive tests where people who were tested while sick more than once and not multiple cases? I mean I guess. But a lot. I mean. If you get tested, you would fail and then you would be home for two weeks and then they would test you before you came back to work. So you'd have to still be testing positive two weeks after tested positive the first time I mean the number. I mean maybe but that number would be miniscule. We will be talking from one, hundred, fifty, two, hundred, and forty eight. I don't think you can have very many people who test positive and then two weeks later they still test positive now if they tested positive in March and then tested positive again August yeah. That would that would be that would be possible but I mean and I guess they haven't gone public with anybody but I mean the only person that claims and deputy publicly tested positive twice Kayla. And we don't even know if. I mean. There are a very, very small number of people the verifiably tested positive. I. Mean. The last number I saw was like five in the entire country. 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Tony Meola in his own words: The making of a US soccer legend + Wk 13 winners

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Tony Meola in his own words: The making of a US soccer legend + Wk 13 winners

"You're listening to extra time riven by continental. Oh my goodness. I mean what are we doing here? His foot. It's great that everyone can give their union. Absolutely ridiculous. Five me, five me. I don't care more to drain my Bank account, everybody up here every single day goes into the office into the laboratory try to cook them some great stuff you guys. That's why he's here from New York, New York. You are listening to extra time driven by continental from the AT and T studios in midtown Manhattan. I am Andrew, we'd be with my partners in soccer, Matt Doyle, Bobby warshaw big show for you guys. Let's get right into it and could injure I want you to know myself. I'm preparing to challenge you to a drum off on your New York. Really, what's a drummer, drumming, even mean this has been bear? But you know what a drum office? I don't know drumline drum. The drum life you want to move up and ranks to challenge the one right now. Your first string, New York, New York I am. I'm saying, I'm coming, okay? You're from New York just for the record, I was going to point that out. That's what it has nothing to do with being able to say from New York, I have the accent, sorta take relegated in this. We have a great show coming for you. It is a truncated show because of Memorial Day. That's the way things work. It is late on Sunday night right now we have. Back from the dead. Let's say the Brown liquor special has return. We've finished matched a central which I hope you watch you can watch it on demand at any time, including on Pluto TV, but we have about calculating here, sixteen minutes to talk in week thirteen because we have an incredible interview for you with Tony Meola. He's a national soccer hall of Famer the class of twenty nineteen is in just one player Abby Wambach. She was a first ballot player from the moment, she retired and became eligible SUNA Galati already, and I will save my rant about the national soccer hall of fame voting process eligibility process. Why? Oh, why they're not more deserving players who get inducted every year. We'll be back to that. But feel free to send your mail four oh, one zero six zero extra-time Emma, soccer dot com or keeping it simple today. Guys, your winners from week, thirteen Chris Wondoloski got two more goals and a win on the road in Toronto wanted us up. Scoring is at one fifty the Portland timbers are done with their road travel. They want again. They beat the Philadelphia union sporting KC one for the first time since March thirtieth, so that's pretty good for them. That might qualify them as winners. I guess we'll start with you. Well, who's your winner who's who's on top from this heap? Honestly the team that we just saw win a game the final game of the weekend. San Jose earthquakes. I think we all kind of expect this to, to come back down to earth. At some point they were so bad in March. But they've been so good. They're five to into they came back from one nail down. They want to one at Toronto granted Toronto elected not to play defense against Chris lousy. That's that is in a very bad idea. Bad idea, even play defense just knowledge one those presence, vanishing cloak. He's a he's a man. Got it. Powers, and he uses mind tricks to make defenders forget that he exists, if we're being honest, vanish include is Harry Potter and not Star Wars. So this is a mixed metaphor. No, don't, don't, don't do I'm not Harry Potter person. I couldn't remember what the vanishing thing was. Let us keep on going. I don't think anybody's surprised that Bobby is a big Harry Potter guy. Big big hurry. You know, the quakes good the quake, like I, I did not see it coming. They've players on the team that I like they, you know, they have some talent. I did not five two and two over the last nine a lot of those have been on the road. A lot of those have been against good teams, I, especially after the what do they lose one hundred seventy two one against L AFC. They just got played off the field in the most embarrassing like after that, as the quakes are gonna end up being the worst team in history. And they're so far from that, that's how quickly and let's continue on your head four straight losses. Start the season for the quake's. Chris Waddle Aussies story. And they start figuring out Mattel Mehta system and here they are on the brink of the playoffs in the stack Western Conference, which by the way are the ultimate winners from this week because against the east had six wins and one draw in the last thirteen games that hasn't won a single game against the Western Conference, not one. They've only drawn to that's it total for the season. It's west thirty three thirty. One east twenty two. So this weekend kind of put them way above them where we all I mean, from not looking at the numbers, you would think the whistle be way higher coming into the weekend, a having more wins, but it's still weekend. Then he's gotta say on brand. What's the expected winds Russian? That's it's a Monday morning, quite not. Morial day. Maybe a Tuesday morning question Bobby, what's your winter? I don't know how you guys give any winner except the Portland timbers right now. Have you seen what they've been doing? You seen Brian Fernandez if you've seen the fact seven that you're hype done Bryant Fernandez. But like, are they going? Philly gave them two goals. Phileas gave them two goals. Is that going to happen every week? Maybe. Okay. You try this on you see in this country. Yeah. I mean look, he's as Clark said a junkyard dog you wants ball and he wants to put it in the back of the net? I not particularly pretty with the way he does it though. I think he can be we maybe just haven't seen that yet. But he is the he's the blunt instrument right now for Giovanni several as you just just throw him into into goalscoring opportunity, easy, what happens because you're making him sound like he's a Wando with a little extra a little extra kick. I mean this guy can ball to right. He's faster than most offenders. He's got a little bit of skill. I'm not gonna say his next Giovinco but this Portland Denver's team has what seventeen of the next twenty two games at home? And they're already within striking distance of the playoffs and now they add one of those expensive players in league history. I don't know how there's any winner this week, except the Portland timbers finishing up their twelve game road road stretch to start the year. They didn't need him to be more than that, though. Right. They needed him to. A stretch. The field guy who's officiant in the final third and ruthless. Surely, he's, he's like three times more than that. It's beautiful Portland timbers. They're still below the playoff here and you're making. That's, that's it. Like you're, you're all in. I mean to me the second goal. Anybody would score that one, right? Here is go. He got himself in a good spot, if you will. Listen, if you could have scored at least one of those goals. If you want to say if you only the tap, but if you rewind five seconds, he left us trustee in the dust killed broke us. Interesting who is one of the best one wanted offenders molest right now. He's not almost broke his ankle, fastest one. I do wonder whether Brian Fernandez's, give me more of a Joseph Martinez type. Like a true center forward is always running off the back shoulder. Always splitting the two centrebacks or visa going to be like Diego Rosie goalscoring wing like Diego Rossi's not even a goalscoring winger. He's a wide forward. You know, whether he's going to be that type of guy. But he's no bobby's, right? He's really, really good. I'm just surprised to see Bobby so all in. So the last player Bobby was this all in on this quickly was Jack price. God beautiful. He was literally lying. About thirty seconds. But honestly, do would win in a cage match between Jack price and and Jack mcenery. That's the question Doyle, and his ask that's a different. That's a different Sunday night podcast. We don't have enough time to cover that spot. We are we going to put Jay Chapman in this under your four? Chris clue Chris Klute. Okay. Devon Sandoval might have a chance. Former players, including Chris pootie, by the way. So if we're talking you know, this is kind of a theme right now with winners. We sometimes save you know, class trash. It was a lot of teams from trash to class because the timbers five losses in their first six they only have four wins on the season. But that matches the amount of road winds had all of last season, they're going to be okay. It's gonna be fun, then new stadium is incredible as well. The additions are beautiful your winner from week thirteen. What do you get? I'm gonna go with real Salt Lake. They've been very Jekyll and Hyde over the past eighteen months years. Let's go with a bad decade decade, the whatever you wanna call they playing really well right now they won against the Lanta three straight straight wins and five of seven. Yes, thanks a lot to bozo. Saito. And then, of course, Jefferson's ever, you know what that amazing goal which Ranji Sandovol was calling for which I, I kind of, like that's pretty cool. I like that. Yeah, but anyways, they have to keep pace in the west because you're looking at a timbers team, who's gonna claim one of those spots looks considering they're basically at the playoff line and have all those home games left. So, you know, they have to keep pace they got that home in that they need it against a really good opponent. So they're keeping pace in that and that's exactly what they needed to do. And doing it with they doing with both also Saito Talbak has been injured. Every Lewis has been injured Sam Johnson's been in the lineup so they're doing it. Not really at their full strength. Here's my question for you three. You were to start a team right now. And you have to factor in both talent and future transfer. Do you pick a Diego Rossi door number two over the lease or door number three Jefferson, Severino? Oh. Oh, Dever knows easily elvers alise the lease easily number one. He Allard Elise can be a number one option on a really good team at which we've seen back in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen as the team won a frigging trophy, Diego rose. He's not there yet. I don't think Severin Severino is the exact same guy. He was when he came into the league two years ago. Yep. That meets everyone is easily number three. I mean just because you looking at. Albert Elise is really good. He's the best player. One of the best players league right now and you're gonna you can probably sell them for eight figures pretty soon, Diego Rossi's, probably in that range may be a little bit less. He's also pretty forever Severino. He could be in this league for why I mean producing for you for. Wow. Which is great, but you're not gonna get that huge rose transfer fee. Grossly will go for the most because he's gone. And there's just there's, there's less of a stigma about buying a Uruguay attacks, especially if you plan as well as well medico or in World Cup qualifying. Does that that will want his value straight up the real winners though as it is with every week early? See, I'm not going to take the easy way out. Good. Lord. Carlos Vela fifteen goals for two. They just run everybody. It's, it's an incredible thing. I'm going with the Colorado Rapids. You know what you haven't been winners much on extra time, you've mostly been losers and we have I'm not gonna say gleefully in any way because I have not, I don't enjoy suffering or pain. And there's been a lot of third. I did enjoy some of the media back and forth, that happened around the Colorado Rapids. But. You know what? It doesn't matter that the crew lost eight of nine doesn't matter that this was, maybe not the best offensive performance yet again from the Rapids. It just matters that they're getting wins. Because the first two and a half months of this season were so painful for them. We talked about it on matchday central. Hey, this games easy, just don't make catastrophic mistakes while they went out and made like three to four maybe five every single game. And now they're making too, and they're finding a way to get the job done in nNcholas mosquito, even is showing his class, which they said he's our ten. We'll see what happens and they did. See what how is he's not? Yeah. No. He's not. He's not. But he showed his class. Yeah. This opportunity scored the goal there's something at least to it. They had a big crowd that a nice moment. It's what they needed blessings, every what I mean that crowd looks live. Did I say you can use that word? That's a tough move for you. Any other any other winners that we can quickly collect before we the Tony Meola, which is an amazing interview, by the way, and we'll have Bobby give you the Vancouver Whitecaps, they had six point or at home against Dallas and granted Dallas hurt and their without guys who are on international duty and they've been sinking in the standings. This is a game that the Cavs good of dropped the result here. It could have been easily a one one or two, two tie. But they the got guys this offseason Alliott, Don Fredy, Montero was Vanu, to-, Benito, Lucas vanita scored the goal these guys are supposed to be difference makers in the final third. They have not been for most of the year and they were in in this game, and this is the type of win that maybe gets you over the playoff line into the playoffs. They need it badly, and they got it and they're much better now than they were month and a half ago. I thought it was interesting what you were saying been about real Salt Lake and knowing that the keep pace because there's these teams. Hind them. It's not just the timbers sporting KC your back there. They won three two against Seattle. Johnny Russell with the hat trick there in eleventh, they could easily climb Portland timbers or their Vancouver Whitecaps there on seventeen San Jose or there on seventeen and of course, the Rapids are at the bottom. I don't think anybody realistically expects to make a playoff run. I mean body picked up to it. Did he did so to David I mean, I think you're looking at a ton of teams maybe the rapid team out. Look at I mean, yes, the caps had a great week tricky. Little bit captain a great week. But they also played more games than any bills in the in the west they're points per game is not as high as some other teams. So I think they have they have a lot. They have a lot of room here to gain on these other team, would you bear into an I'm just workshop in this the Rapids to miss the playoffs? Yeah. There do we make that Barron? Tedious on speak the word. There was a barren t baron to never how I been by baron t the will nominate. It is Rapids or go going baby Rapids are gonna push episode. We've thirteen matchday central probably your best place to get the long, the short of everything track record, Ben like that. Basically means you're gonna make the playoffs you sucker Giral. It'd be an incredible run. It would it would be every way more incredible than the Sounders. I believe I believe in. Good player. I mean I just wanna say this. I wanna say this. The Columbus Crew have lost eight of nine is that number right? Andrew is address. Correct. We everyone at this table right now in this moment can agree if the crew make the playoffs, they do not if the crew make the playoffs Matthew. Then what I'm very confused about this this, this line. You're dropping right now. Blast. I'm what David comments MVP. I should've known I was like where is he going with this? What is wrong with this person? Like how could he? He's leading dead of blind alley. And then on the other side, the shining, you are you moving to Nashville. That's great. That's good stuff just to be arsenal cheerleader for David Akon on the new team MLS you're going to I mean. I mean, if there's ever going to be an expansion team MVP. We know it's going to be David calm, so you, can you can go ahead and do that. You can you can bear into that right now. If you want. I did catch somebody else recently looking at Nashville real estate prices, I won't sue, we're going to get out of here. It is Memorial Day weekend. I hope that you're enjoying today. This Monday with your family and friends before we do though, loyal Dane candidates. I don't know Monday and hope you have great Monday. They're all they're all for the raptors. Yeah. They've had a great been great type before we get out of here. Bobby, I'd like you to do the honors of helping a sell people on this, Tony Meola interview which I don't think should be difficult. He's a national soccer hall of Famer, he's an absolute legend his career came in such an interesting time in US soccer between you twenty World Cups and World Cups in ninety and ninety four and then two thousand two and his background in New Jersey, and all the guys he came up with give us the, the Goodsell here. The most basic thing you can say you're ready Lou to it. He has wild stories. Right. The talk about tub romo's as a high school or to talk about what. Like to prepare for the earliest World Cups in nineteen ninety nine hundred ninety four for the US, but more importantly, tells them nursing way, he's a very good storyteller. He something he somebody was something interesting to say, and he says it very well Android call this. The probably the most engaged I've ever been with a athlete interview. It was not as head the whole time. If Carlos Ruis piscotty tow is tier one extra time interviews. Not sure that will ever be topped than this is a clear tier two. So if Carlos Reza's Elliot c. See this is like, I don't know. Maybe it's like it's Colorado. Yeah it'll not a great here to 'em less right now. See, and then rotating, Tony's above all them, take a listen. Enjoy your Memorial Day or your Monday in Canada. We will back on Thursday day. This is also a column ousters. I just want everyone to know that if you're not watching on YouTube, you don't know, embarrassed bringing the heat the show. Thank you. Matt Bobby, thanks for sticking around, here's Tony meal. We'll see on Thursday. All right. We're gathered for a new series, I guess about the national soccer hall of fame where we bring in hall of famers or call them up or get to them. However, we can in the first on the list in New Jersey, but not for long was Tony meal. You know him I mean, you know him so well from so many different places from youth national teams to Virginia, where you were winning trophies to molest to indoor soccer to the national teams ninety four World Cup in ninety World Cup and the two thousand two World Cup. And that is a coach and as Sal, and now you hear him all the time on siriusxm. Tony, what's up man? I'm doing. Good. You just wanted to, to you said you just said you could have done a phone or how you wanted to see an hour and a half travel. We wanted to see you. We could've. We wanted to convince people that someone would actually come in, and try will you go, where the pilot Tony comes in? Nobody can say, no, hey, Tonio came getting your car playing my way use it use it, if it helps. So I just wanna talk to you about your career in about US soccer because you kind of bridge all these different eras in different times, and you have a, a fascinating career not just on the field but also off the field. I kind of think of you as a renaissance man in the sense that you've done a lot of things that weren't quote unquote traditional. You wouldn't try to kick for the jets you wit off Broadway after the World Cup. I think to go act. You were drafted as a baseball player by the Yankees your life, not just your career life is so rich, but I wanna start where it began. Because for so many beginning CUNY and in New Jersey of your generation, it's Carney. Let's get honest. He said it pre show and he said it wrong, and I was so ready wrong. Me for this wing man. I'm a sounded out guy. Now. I'm blushing. That's okay. It's been we've been called worse or a lot worse than that. It's not just you though. It's so many guys that were part of that, that generation of US soccer they came out of there. So I won't understand what it was like to grow up their house. So many players could come out of one place and go so far in this game. Yet, you know where where we grew up soccer was the cool thing to do. I didn't really know anything. I am. I grew up in that town. Right. It was everything we knew. And we, we were all first generation majority of them were first generation from Scotland. Scotland or England my myself and my best friend, our parents immigrated from Italy. So we were we were to outcast really for a little while. And. We, we didn't know that the rest of the country didn't play soccer. We didn't know that it, you know, football and basketball and baseball were were prominent at all these high schools, because we had for years won state championships. And from the time we were six years old and starting to kick a ball, our high school coach was watching games all the time, and he knew all the players in town. And the only thing you ever wanted to do was put on a state championship high school jacket. Like that's all we knew right? And I happened to fall in love with other sports at a young age. So I did some other things but gold number one was the play varsity soccer in high school. Things are a little bit different now in its volved at something. You know that that doesn't necessarily involve varsity soccer anymore for a lot of kids. But that's all you wanted to do. So when I grew up, and I heard the names John Harkes and Tab Ramos move from Urguay our town and immediately. We took a trip to Bermuda with our youth club team to go play and got the see him play. Like he was in America at that point for like two weeks. You know, we, we, we, that's all we dreamed about all day. And I come to realize now that that's not exactly how it was in the rest of the country where how competitive was it as a group like how competitive was it? When you see tau almost common John Harkes, one of the best players in the country and yourself and just that group training every single day and just playing pickup. Yeah. And you've got other guys. I mean, if you go to Carney, and ask from sort of just that era loan who the best player was. It's Billy Galca right and Billy out because the name that when you watch this new movie that came out about soccer town USA. I'm sure you're gonna hear that name a lot. He's now the highschool coach Carney, highs while and everyone says, who's the best player ever to come out. He went to the university of Connecticut and played there just didn't have the same pathway. Maybe that some of us did. But you think Jerry mcewen's, who started pedia, you think rob McCord who's, who's the head coach at Monmouth right now, Michael Neil, who's the head women's coach at Rutgers? Right now, these guys that were all first team all state went to ODU went to. Place. I mean some of the top schools in the country. There were a lot of players that came out of that area. How did we do it? I have no idea. Right. Because John Harkes his dad was our coach, you know, rob Chesney, who's now the athletic director, Montclair state university, who was the head soccer coach there, his dad was a coach. She was a mailman, you know, and they just I think I think they just made it simple for us. They said you know what? Here's a ball, right? Go out and Jill yourself and go out and play. And I remembered, it's funny because I heard by Bradley say this years down the road when he was talking about, I actually coached, his nephews. And I heard him talk about this, and I learned from rob Chesney, who guy was a mailman, right? And I learned he said the best way to figure out if you're a defender, if you're forward, if you're goalkeeper is go roll the ball out and see where everyone migrates defenders will go back here and forwards. We'll go here and it's kind of how I took I heard Braley talk about this years and years down the road. I'd learn this. Down the road. They were very simple in the way that they they approach the game. But the, the one thing they were they were very concerned about was winning and losing in when you were in Kearney. You didn't lose games. You didn't not make it to a state championship at the club level. We played for this left. See you didn't make stay Cup. So we learned some of those lessons really young. What did you think when you saw Tab Ramos for the first time? You know that the same player that people saw in Spain and Mexico and Major League Soccer in the national team. We saw it win. So that trip I was ten years old. He was twelve years old. And we went down to Bermuda and it was like, by the time the trip is over. We played like every other day, so we played like five or six games and, you know, the younger team would play first and then the with three age groups. So the youngest player, I and all the way to the oldest by the time it was we were halfway through the trip. It was like the entire village in Bermuda was going to watch tab play. That's how mazing he was. And I still say and everyone knows he's my friend so full disclosure, right? I mean he he I still don't think we've ever produced the player like Tab Ramos, I in in you talk to national team players and we just did this ninety four reunion a couple of weeks ago. And everyone said the same thing that we still have never seen a player like him, if he doesn't get knocked out and ninety four. Do you think you guys when that? Well, if you are not to jump, no, no, no, no. The, the we hung in there as long as we could. Right. And he he's the one guy that we missed because we had one guy in that group. John Harkes remember was suspended for that game because he got the yellow card standing in the wall against Romania just before that he was the one guy that could break down. And if you remember the first two minutes of that game we had to upper -tunities where we thought a foot from the goal how we didn't score a goal against Brazil all created by him. And he was, you know, he playing a man up he would have been the one guy in the field that you wanted, and we missed so they roll the ball out. And you go to goalkeeper. You're also forward, how did how did this kind of come together for you, and you go down the path that you went pretty simple in the shortest fattest guy? You're over there over there. No science to it. Really? But I loved it was one of those things I jumped in goal for the first time and that was what I love to do eventually, I learned when I became a pro that I was actually supposed to be a centre forward. But no one believe me, you know, I tried to convince Bob Gansler to do it and I did it in all star game. I don't know if you guys even know that I played in an MLS all star game as a forward, whichever year. So that would have been two thousand. I think the all star game was in Columbus. Epic year for you two thousand. Yeah, it was. Can we relive that? Yeah. So once I got in that was it. I love being dirty, and I loved, you know, my mother screaming about how, you know, why do you have to dive in the mowed. The grass is over there. You know, like I just whole thing was fun to me. It's always been interesting to me, though, for goalkeepers to me, it's like it's a different sport. You're doing something else. Do you enjoy the tactics and the movement of field players? Even though you weren't participating in it. Well, I personally think that my biggest strength in my game was organizing, right? And I think it's part of the reason why I played as long as I did. And I played till I was almost forty because managers thought that I could. And if it wasn't for the ninety minutes, I it was probably equally as important throughout the week because you hear a voice, you organize ING your another set of sort of eyeballs for the coach where maybe he doesn't have to worry about defensively. We didn't do a lot outside of. Bob gansler. I'm trying to think at least in the league. And when I played in England, everything was back for. Right. And whether you had two guys in front of them. Or one guy that was the real difference. Right. And, and so there wasn't a lot of organization. I love when we went to a back three in two thousand and we won the championship Kansas City, because I felt like I was I was learning something new, you know, in some similarities in what you do. But the way Bob gates are wanted interpreted. We did some things that sometimes look like a back four, sometimes look like a three five I was learning something new, and at that point, I was thinking I was thirty or thirty one in my career. So it was pretty cool to sort of put that, in, you know, your bag for the rest of your life, you had a choice to make coming out of high school, you chose goalkeeper. You're an incredible at it. I mean you said you guys just one and you one individually as well. You also a baseball player. And you got drafted by the Yankees was there ever any thought as to what you were going to do ever think that maybe I could have gone and play. Baseball you into Virginia Bruce Arena. But do you ever think about that moment thing? What if? Well, I played baseball in college. Remember the base back, then I ended up at third base, I started as a center fielder because I used to be able to run. Right. I was fast back in high school. The. The choice wasn't made until we played into in qualified in Trinidad for the World Cup. That's when I finally said, that's it for baseball for me because that already played member. I played baseball in college before I played soccer because that freshman year of college Jeffey Goosen I played in the under twenty World Cup. So we had to redshirt, so my first steps on campus were in January which started baseball season. But the only way I could do it back then. And, and again, it's one of those things you really naive. You don't know any different. I was the only way I could go to school for free. You know, it was half my scholarship was baseball half of it with soccer. And the only way my parents could ever send me to school was to take a full scholarship and I had I had full dreams of going to Duke University. I can't stand Duke right now. I hate them you go to gin you hate to. Right. But, and John because I was going to follow John Harkes, two years ahead of me and for years John kept saying all through high school. Going to do. I'm going to do going to Duke and then one one day came back from his trip Virginia's like going to Virginia. I call my mom chick. I'm going to Virginia. You know, where's Virginia, you know, I'm just figuring out. We're Duke is I said, we don't have to go as far any more, you know, but that's kind of how it all happened in. I love playing both sports. My I played basketball and I still think basketball was probably the biggest benefit. I tell all the young goalkeepers coach if you play basketball you're gonna there's a huge advantage in there and I still think that's the one sport that sorta helped me the most in my game. That's football. They talking about the footwork three action going up in traffic gathering a ball because I, I still think crosses one of the big parts of my game. We don't see a lot of it now because the balls have changed the way guys with balls in the boxes completely different the number of players that are in the boxes completely different. So we don't see a lot of it. Now, you watch European games if you see a goalkeeper take two crosses in the game. That's a lot. You know so we don't see a lot of it anymore just because the evolution of the game. But yeah basketball helped me in that area for sure. Bruce Arena, thirty years ago. What was it like what was he like, how much has changed? That's what I figured not euro. Yeah. He he came. He came with Dennis Womack, who was the baseball coach to our house and sat down with my family had dinner. And that's when they gave us the proposal and my father, and my father's old school. You know, and he, I tell this story all times kind of funny, he had a list we had a dial phone. You know you pick up the phone. So for me to call a coach was painful, you know, like so he had a list, and he would every time a college coach would call he'd say, where are you from, and how much is the offer? My father didn't speak English very well. So his it was very limited, and I could remember coach Berta Sally calling us at Old Dominion at the time, and I met him at a banquet, down the road, and he tells the store, used to tell the story all the time he's passed. Now, he, he said, I call the meals house, and Mr. Mueller picked up and he said, where are you from, you know, these Old Dominion? I said how much your offer eighty percent he said, call you back? When you got one hundred phone knows kind of how we work back. They did. And that was my father. He only had like three sentences that he could say to time. So he was learning along the way, and they sat down, Bruce set down, and laid it on the table. And he did say the one thing that he said to me that, that stuck with me, there's that we're gonna win a national championship. That's what he told me. And he was the only guy to say that we're going to win a national championship. And I was sold at that point, you know, he John was going there ready. And I said, you know, I want to win a national championship own a play like the top teams in at that time the ACC was pretty much it UCLA was good. UNLV was very good SMU, or very good, but outside of the ACC you didn't wanna go anywhere. So I was sold. When you talk about your father. He played a little pro in Italy. Was that a big part of you playing? Did you play with him? Did you compete against him? Did he like that? You were goalkeeper. Yeah. We you know, he's the first one I kick the soccer ball. With you know, in the driveway, and he didn't have a very long career played in the youth club and have Lino and, and head aspirins of being a pro. So Mike career I was really fortunate. I'm the first say it, how lucky I was, but he kind of lived his career through me. And I, I love every minute of he wasn't a he wasn't a sort of a helicopter dead that he was the guy that if you saw a guy sitting way off to the side that didn't say, one word that you never knew who it was. But he always came to the game. That was my father, you know, and really when I started when I moved up in, in levels and started playing it older age groups with Tab Ramos, it was tabs dad and my dead that set because they didn't. They were only two didn't speak English in our town that we're going to game. So they became really, really close friends, you know, and they were they loved it. They loved just a big grin on their face all the time, this, this was like their, their pride and joy, you know, it was pretty cool. One of the. I always think about with your group, both qualifying for ninety playing in the ninety Cup the youth World Cup. You mentioned as well as you didn't have streaming. You didn't have cable the same. You weren't going over to play tournaments Manchester United like when you stepped into the nineteen ninety World Cup as a group of basically college kits. Did you know what you were going up against? Did you? Everyone says now. Yeah, we believed in ourselves. But at the time, what was the conversations like stepping into those stages. Bob. Gansler routh Peres. Joe mack? Nick, those who are coat that was our coaching staff. And they did everything they could to find video, get a look at Czechoslovakia at the time, and I remember I we joked about this when we get together, you know, they sit otheir not very big or not very fast. We watched them against Germany point, and Germany, just I mean, completely ripped them apart. And I thought, you know, thinking about it now is the worst thing you could have done as watching against Germany, and then you get into tunnel and I could remember John Doyle was our, biggest guy, he was probably outside of the little number eleven the four that they had, I can't remember his name of talk top of my head, but John Doyle was a second. Smallest smallest guy in that thought. A lot of trouble me, but we were so young. We were so naive. We are so ambitious to do well, but I don't think that we were nervous in any way, just just because we were that naive. We were that naive to the World Cup and who we were in the world. We just thought we were supposed to qualify, who cares? What happened for forty years before that, you know, that's not what we came here to do. We came here to qualify. Clearly, we needed to improve right? We were we were not a great team. Although I thought we got better as tournament went on. We had some good stretches against Italy, which we almost made things happen there, at least almost got a result there that was fun. You know, and, and really, though that team was set up for nineteen ninety four right? It was kind of, like I think I still think our national team now is really set up two thousand twenty six so take me back before that tournament. You won the job you were there for the shot heard round the world. What was that team like what was the pressure, like if there was any take me inside that locker room inside that group? Well, the, the pressure was really man, if we qualify. That was I had college to go back to a lot of guys didn't myself. Chris Henderson trying to think Eric when all the there may have been a couple of others, along Marcelo Balboa. Maybe it was at San Diego State. I think some of us had college to go back to the pressure was not if we. Don't qualify. The pressure is John stole Meyer who's working in the medical field, and Jimmy banks who Joan forty just passed away, trying to make his way in Milwaukee and soccer and Jimmy Gabbara, who didn't know what he was going to do the pressure was, what if we do qualify? What am I gonna do with my job like how am I gonna make a living doing this? That that was that was real pressure. You know that was if we qualify for the World Cup. How do I make it, you know, how do I make it to make money to do all the trainings in January and February Notre to get the June without losing my job at home? You know, and people when I hear pressure now when I hear people say of MLS, similar, but needs to do this. Right. And they need to do that. Right. And the national team stinks because they don't do this, and I'm thinking, boy, these people had any idea what it looked like in nineteen. If I'm not mistaken. We had one sponsor in nineteen eighty nine was seventy five thousand dollars sponsor that. The only paid sponsor and that was Budweiser think about it for all our youth national teams how they did it. I have no idea. When you talk about that group. One of the interesting things is a lot of people went onto a contract with US soccer and then got loaned out to clubs but came back in going into the ninety four while Cup. I believe you lived in a dorm together and trained. What was what was that atmosphere like around that group because it seems like a dream, your represent US? It's like a college team. Yes. So we actually. Around. I think it was January. Nineteen Ninety-three was, we moved to mission viejo. They decided that I was just coming back from France. I had a contract, I signed in December in a small club that was at the top of the second division called east, which is in the south east part of France on the water in it, we're looking at promotion, about not about a place. But then they showed me what mission viejo looked like it's not a bad place to either. It's not too bad. And they actually after a short period of time they moved us into apartments, and yeah, we, we essentially live as club team. But remember, we still had John Harkes, who was playing in Europe tab. Casey Keller at the time there were there were a whole bunch of guys Ernie Stewart was getting in that group. So we had integrate those guys in whenever we could. And I don't know that international windows where the same back then as are now where you got, you know, so we didn't see a lot of those. Guys until just prior to the World Cup. But I still say that anyone who survived two years of bore militant of each in mission viejo survive anywhere, you know, it was just grueling every single day. Best borough story, please, please. Take us behove grueling atmosphere. Whether it be the way he coached the drills Iran, the coal he ran one drill that was it one player one ball. That's what we did for an hour before every training. And, and you can ask anyone from that team what's the drill that board is one player. One ball, new that two goals, and you just dribbled up and down and you played a given go with him or you play to giving go at t- Molik hausky, who are assistant coach Steve Sampson who was the other one you shot on goal and after a while youth everyone's shooting the ball over the goal because they this things we're an hour into this right now. You know, I'm going to chase the ball for awhile. What you're chasing your own balls. Well, we didn't have to chase them. Just imagine somebody that or trainings over a couple of kids out there and just guys, you know now we didn't have it. We were we were bare bones, although they did a really good job. Nice little training facility in, in mission viejo. And we made the best of, and we played a lot of international games bore a plate. Everybody at that time, eating Germany, Brazil Romania the time it was a World Cup qualifier. In very we played Columbia. I think like six times in two and a half two and a half years. He wanted to play everybody. We could because as he explained it to me, I saw him at this, this summer at the World Cup as he explained it heated and want the World Cup to be shock. You know, he wants didn't want us to play Brazil in the World Cup for the first time where you're like, oh, man. You know, in the we didn't know then we were just playing everybody. How does being in such close proximity for so long on the brink of a life changing experience, change the relation? Ships between those guys you said you were just at a ninety four reunion. I mean, that is the team. And I know every world cut me so much. And those teams are all bonded in a certain way. But inner US the second one the time where you could actually make jumping point. And you spend all that time together a have to magic. It's just it's it's super tight knit. Yeah. You remember all of those moments all those crazy moments. Right. That happened in the locker room that happened. You know, at a restaurant on a bus on an airplane travelling. You know, win the when the pilot misjudges the landing by four feet when you land in Ecuador you know, you know, that might have been the last time you were talking to each other. Right. So you talk about all of those things and. It's a really good group of guys. I still think it's just a personal feeling take me out of the equation, because I've been pretty lucky to at least stay in the game for a little bit. I still think a lot of those guys don't get a lot of credit for what they what they did in that group and more. So even nineteen ninety it said that, you know, Jimmy banks passed away, unfortunately, a couple of weeks ago. And, and what a what a great human being that. I hope soccer fans. No, I hope they have an idea now who Jimmy banks was because I'm not quite sure we didn't come in the, the social media era. There was there was no coverage here. Yeah. And I just hope that guys like him guys like Mike Windisch men who was the captain of the team. I wonder if you asked the starches soccer fan, you know, if he has ten of them, how many would would know Mike Windisch men was the captain of the team, you know, and what he did and, and David Vanoli, who unfortunately passed away years ago was You know, the guy that, that I tell the story will at times guy taught me how to be a teammate. You know, taught me, everything I knew about, how to be a team because he could have he could have said punk from New Jersey. I'm gonna make it miserable on him. And, and, and I was a punk. I was a nineteen year old punk like I didn't care who I was playing, and he could have he could have made today miserable everyday. But he chose to make it that I got better every day while he still trying to fight for job. Right. So that taught me at nineteen years old how to be a teammate. And, and I took that throughout my career all the guys that I've ever worked with from Tim Howard, abo- schon, all the guys that head for a long period of time. I think we'll tell you that are working relationship was always great. And I learned it when I was nineteen which you don't learn a lot of lessons at nineteen europe-us what kind of puck? Yeah. I mean, I would I was a kid from New Jersey. I fought my way out of Kearney had to say. Got it. Yeah. It was, you know, I wouldn't take crap from anybody. And you know, I was gonna fight for every every minute on the field. I could. And I didn't care how I was going to do it. You know, and I came in an area where Casey Keller came up just shortly after that, Brad Friedel came up. There was your summer and there were a lot of really talented goalkeeper. She always head to be at the top of your game all time because someone just like I was waiting to take David then only spot every moment I could or Jeff Dubec spot. They were trying to we're all trying to do the same thing. Who's the best goalkeeper you've ever worked with besides yourself? No, you mean in, in what way like whether opponents or in training, goalkeepers you saw. I think I think TIMMY, and that's not a slight on Casey or Brad, I didn't work with them. Maybe I worked with Brad as long as TIMMY, because we were mission viejo together Brad served, one of the best balls. You could serve. It was great, great to train that way. And he pushed every day and B's real fitness guy. Heat me was always fit, and he made it wasn't my strong suit. You know back then. In he made it difficult every day, and it shouldn't say difficult mated better every day in order to train harder. A TIMMY, was the, the most wide wanting to learn all the time, always asking questions and always, we're always throwing things off of each other and Tim O Queen is now coaching in the US, L was our goalkeeper, coach show. Three jersey guys every day going from training to the pizza parlor shop that training the next day. We, it was a good working relationship. I think we both learned a lot from each other at that point, you've alluded to some of the differences in the world and the sporting world between when you played and now and taking out, the, it was always better in my day factor because that's always natural. What are the parts of twenty nineteen American soccer and social media? Do you think are better or worse or that you would have enjoyed now or you preferred it when you're playing? I don't know that I would. I have enjoyed social media. I don't know that it would have been, I would have been the guy after a game that would have been on social media talking about the game or or an opponent or a call or something. I don't know. I struggle now when I don't have to worry about those things I can't imagine the what the players go through because I feel like sometimes when they opened up and try to be honest, you know, they get hammered for it when they don't play well they get hammered for it. You know I could see myself showing up at someone's doorstep. You know, going, did you really tweet that about? But it just that part of it, I think is difficult for it's difficult to manage some guys do a really good job with it. And I think it's great to continue to grow your brand. Everyone's grow, I didn't care about brand like any care people talk about my hair back then. Right. I didn't really care. That's the haircut. I wanted I didn't think like that. It would be I didn't think in nineteen ninety five when I cut my hair that my endorsements would go through the through the floor like that. They they, they did. Yeah, yeah. Because it was so recognizable with here. But I didn't think that way. No one told me that social media didn't make a big deal about someone's hair. They make more of a big deal about it now. And all those haircuts than they did back then. But that's not how I thought now now players have to think that way, right? They have to because that's what the society is telling you. And so that part of it, I think is would be difficult what I do love about. I wish we had. Is is sort of the technology, that's on the field that part how to keep yourself fit in I was lucky Plato was thirty nine so it's not as if I you know, lost any years out of it, but I still think you always go back Bobby think like I could have been better here, you know, and I could have been better there. I wish head I think I would have been better. If all those things were available to me, but they weren't, so we didn't know about him. But that part I really wish was part of the game when I was playing I, sometimes think about those years before, MLS arrived as kind of a soccer purgatory where you're talking about guys are just trying to find opportunities wherever they can. And you played indoor after that, that ninety four World Cup. You win all over. What was that period? Like of sort of waiting for the league to come trying to get the best opportunities, you could where were you in that time? Well, again, we're all trying to make a living, first of all right in and I can remember when I first got the call him buffalo, the for my first thought about playing indoor. Nor was, I can get better with my feet because the game had changed. Remember, I grew up in the day where you can bounce the ball, take four more steps enroll the ball, you know, and take four more steps that doesn't exist it now, they're going to change the rules, and they changed them in, I think nineteen Ninety-three ninety two or ninety three. I can't remember so ninety four we had that rule to play with and. I, I had to find a way to get better and this winter opportunity came, where I lived in New Jersey. Right. You can't go outside and train and do all that. We weren't getting together with the national team and my head this opportunity to go. And then all of a sudden they were like, okay. Well, you know. Remember this is nineteen ninety-five like we'll play pay six thousand dollars a game. And they're like we have four games next week because indoor play like Friday, Saturday, and Sunday and I'm thinking I'm talking to my wife. I'm like, I never played indoor before. But hell, you know pretty good. So I went the first came was in, in Dayton, Ohio, in an indoor facility and the place is packed. And now I get a call the next night from the league. And they're like can you stick around for another month in a Mike? I was going to say we were in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. You came to the far the farm show complex boss, right would all the soul to place out. That's right. Yeah. All the cows were they. Couches. Don't worry about what we do in Pennsylvania. Okay. But no, we were one of those communities where you came, you were Tony meal the coming event. My whole team went my family went myself out in Harrisburg sold out. We were static to come see you. Yeah. In the league called me and the first so we play to away games before the first home game. So you, you played Friday and Saturday night away and then Sunday afternoon. We came back the buffalo and believe me, these guys talking about charter flights were chartering flights. We could tell you that much. And, and we came back and all of a sudden we went Irina, and it was completely packed eighteen thousand people and the league called me and said, can you stay for another month and like that price? I can stay as long as you want, you know, jokingly, and I thought to myself, this is really helping me. And then we had to get ready frame, oh season the following year. So that's kind of when I ended in February. But yeah, I took a took a lot of steps you know what I said to myself. I don't want to. I don't necessarily want to have to say when I'm six fifty now. So I'm not too far away. But I'm saying fifteen years ago, I don't have to say, I wish I did this, you know, when I'm sixty years old when a head to chance when I was thirty years old to do it, you know. And I don't regret very much of that stuff at all. I mean I did a lot of things I don't regret any of it. When you look at that time period, you mentioned MLS coming up. What was the conversation like with the group of guys who clearly were national team level or board aligned that we're going to be a part of whatever was coming up in ninety six. Yeah. There was a there was a period of time. If you remember after ninety four, we were supposed to start ninety five and that's where this whole acting thing came in. You were talking to. Yeah. The jets right after the World Cup. Because I, I wasn't going to Europe what the plan was was. They told us that a couple of we're going to be I forget, what they called it. We weren't we weren't designated players, but they had four guys in every allocation, allocation players. That what they were your so many different. Yard allocations what it was. Okay. So, so we were going to be allocated players in January. We were gonna start getting paid and we were gonna do promotions. And we were gonna go around and promote the league, and then they would tell us they would they told us they would tell everyone what team you would be on. And that's they were series of announcements that we're going to happen. So I said, I'm going to stay in the US and you know, I'm going to I'm going to help the league and I'm going to be part of the league. And then we got the decision that the league wasn't going to start until nineteen ninety six and now it was like, what am I gonna do? And one of our dear friends, I contacted Afonso Mondello, and he was coaching the Long Island rough riders at the time and it was all the guys that had grew up playing with on the regional team. And we put a great team together that one a US I sell championship with without Fonseca. Who did who was outstanding? It was a great guy to play for. I played form. Also in, in New York MetroStars for short period of time. And that's how I got from I bridge, the gap from ninety four to ninety six. Now. Also my terrible I went to those games. Yeah. I'm from Long Island and we used to go to those any younger during conversation, you guys are awesome. And it was a huge deal for us to go to role. Did you play in this? It was off Broadway, right? I mean, what was I need Joe? Tony and tina's wedding one where everyone eats. Right. We go to church, Tony, and Tina get married up and your part. So the guests are part of the show, and then you, you proceed, I think down bleaker street crush sixth avenue. If I have my still on it is still the longest running off Broadway show ever in off Broadway history, and we'd walk there. And you walk to you walk to this reception hall, and you, you have a reception and then a whole Bunke, a whole bunch of things go wrong with an Italian wedding. And so, I played the part of Tony, so it wasn't much of a stretch, but. It was fun. I did it you know, I was I was in acting in television, major at university of Virginia. So head to convince my parents at two and a half years weren't completely wasted. So that's, that's what I did could you kick a football. He could have made a run with it. Yeah. I didn't get I didn't get a great opportunity to be a field goal kicker because Nick Lowery was there at the time one of the all time best kickers in, in the NFL. So I was just kickoff guy, you know. And then when Tony Casillas a player that was in Dallas. You know, they made the trade got rid of the entire six guys in the practice squad. I gotta tell you, it was the it was cool. I did it. I signed an NFL contract. It was the most boring job. You could ever have. I honestly got eight oh five meetings in the morning. Eight o'clock to eight oh, five fours your your team meeting. Everyone breaks up into individual meetings. There's two kickers in a room with a coach that coach went on to win a whole bunch of Super Bowls in New England. Brad Seely as a special teams coach went on to win their peak. Carol was my head coach, who I stayed friends with since and. And we, we didn't do anything until two o'clock in the afternoon. So I watched I lifted and I watched all kinds of crazy talk shows was it all day. My dad can't watch the interview now because he gets really upset about the P Cal years of the New York Jets. Years. I. We gotta get shot here pretty quick. But I need to know your best molest memory. What's the thing that stands out? Is it we talked about two thousand two thousand was such an incredible year for you. In the Kansas City, wizards. What, what's the memory of the you really lean on? And think about often. How, how Kansas City kind of change my life, really two thousand is the year that everyone remembers. Right. That's we want a championship. I want a bunch of trophies, and that was great. But it changed my life in a way that I was open to change because I was, I was not going to Kansas City when I got traded not at all. And my wife said, you know, want want we'd give it a shot. You know, like let's give it a shot, and I'm like, I'm not going to Kansas City. That's it. I'm done. You sound like my fiance. Right. Yeah. And, and I realized had had I not got traded back to MetroStars slash red bulls. A change that year when I got there, I would have stayed in it probably would be living in Kansas City right now. I, I learned then that, that changes, okay? It was a time in the league where you weren't changing all the time. You know, I couldn't figure out how this New Jersey kid was. Was being asked to leave New Jersey like it didn't make sense to me. And that's just the truth. I didn't like the way it went down. We had a meeting with, with Bora, and my dear friend now, Charlie still Tanna was the was the GM there and they brought us in a room and they said, okay, we're gonna have individual meetings, you guys are gonna watch rocky five. That's what they did. They put us in a room to show us how you fight in you. You know, come overcome adversity, one by one, they picked us off in the room, and they went in there, and they should look your face the organization, and we're, you know, we're not going to trade, you and I was ticked off that Peter Vermes should got traded the year before. And then I got my car drove from jerk. Giant stadium near the officers were there. She caucus and I was driving home half hour and a heard on the radio that I got traded. Whoa. Literally, when I got in my car, and I was not happy about it and not happy about the trade, not happy about the way it went down, because it didn't make sense to me. But I realized being in Kansas City that, that change in your life could be good. And you know, we, we made it, you know, we bunch of bunch of misfits, we called ourselves in Kansas City, because a lot of guys that weren't wanted other places. We wanna championship at incredible career. Tony Meola thanks for joining us before we let you go, though, national soccer hall of fame, another induction class. Coming up this year. I was so excited and happy to be able to vote in that. What does it mean to you to be a part of this hall of fame? How does it kinda crop up in your life? Oh, daily it comes up. I, I mean I didn't play to being hall of fame I played because I love the game. And to think that something. I loved from the time I was six years old to, to make it to the hall of fame in your sport is, is really cool. And I and I certainly appreciate it more every single day. Because now I, I know when I voted this year as well, and I know how difficult it is. And I know the feeling and I remember the phone call from Hank Steinbrecher saying you made it you know, when I was first time in my life, I was speechless. You know and. Yeah. It's, it's really special really is. Is there someone out there that you think deserves to be in the hall of fame? That isn't that you think about and say, just missed on that one. Somebody on the ballot this year that you thought this person has to get in. And I'm just not sure they will kind of the story of it sometimes. Yeah. Joe max Moore is a guy to me that probably didn't get enough credit for what he did probably. Because when soccer was over, he left soccer. You know in, in went on to do a lot of great things in business in and is doing really, really well, but he's a guy that I would think at some point should be in Tony. Thank you so much for braving hour and a half a traffic in New Jersey, coming all were eight here. You're the precursor for more trips to the AT and T MLS studios, we're gonna get outta here. Enjoy your Memorial Day everybody. We will see you on Thursday.

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Ep 2.40 - Frankie Hejduk on WC98/02, Bundesliga & Crew

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Ep 2.40 - Frankie Hejduk on WC98/02, Bundesliga & Crew

"ARE GUYS. Sam's Army episode. Two point forty. We are back coronas still here. We are still living in the corona verse but Forever. We'll make the best of it right here on this episode. We of course have E. G. Walk mckeag Hi. Doing great got a bear my hand and we got a legend in the bullpen. Here waiting to come out with an extra special guest. Us Men's national team slash. While it's just a you know Columbus crew slash Beyer Leverkusen slash. God knows you've been around but people know you Frankie Hejduk as a US slash Columbus legend. So that's what we'll introduce you as how you doing frankie up guys. It's gnarly times dude. I'm known as Mr h now got four kids and I've been teaching all of them and luckily did Through this thing my wife has got the math skills and the teaching skills and I'm basically just a PE teacher so It's it's been pretty easy for me and growing for her and I'm sure it's like for everyone but I just want to say everyone stay safe. Stay do what they're telling us to do and man thank you to all the first responders that are really Putting in the work. True Sam Armies veterans and is guys are risking their lives for us. I'm kind of just chilling at home and You know trying to do it what we do. But I can't imagine Those guys what they're going through in their families and putting in the work that's called Putin in the work You know our our career respond. This would this was real work. What's going on here And I just want to tell those guys thank you women men. Whoever's doing if God bless you guys for sure we're just yeah we're we're we're doing the easy stuff sitting at home. You know trying to find things today. Here's for me. It's been grabbing to be honest. It hasn't been too bad I've got I've got to spend time way way more time with my kids and Other than that. We've been watching a lot of my old games so as an ex athlete I think during this time. Especially you as podcast and everyone even. Espn and Fox boards and Joan all the US old USA Games and just on being able to go back and you know my kids in consuming. Play that that much you know they did at the end of it. But now I'm telling you during these times even seeing the Michael Jordan Show last dance And all this you know you see that. They're still fire in our heart and they're still fire as an athlete We still want to be there man when I watch Jordan talking. I did this whole series is like I was looking at my wife. And she's like. Oh wow she goes. I can feel that you felt this way too so it was a little bit gratifying to see all these other athletes that really feel fire in their hearts. Mike are talking about the old moments and you know so. I like to take positive at a anything in life even at the most worst negative moments because this is probably one of them for a lot of people might have families but for me I tried to take positives out of it and the positive are getting. Watch my games and showing them how good and also have bad. They probably got a new new daddy at this point. I think yeah and I mean bad bad well so on a scale of like you know sane to absolutely bat shit crazy where how are you doing right now in corona whole situation It's like I said luckily I have my wife here and the kids are all cool and there's been a lot of soccer if anything. There's you know kids probably gotten better than soccer. Which was which was good for me but man. I've been doing a lot of fishing. I'll tell you the ad lot alone time largest banking of you know about what's going on the world when I start thinking about that stuff. I like to be you know kind of by myself and like I said luckily my life said Hey I can see you're going will stir crazy or just get out of here for a couple of hours and you know always when you're fishing. Coupla hours turns into almost twelve and I've been put in the work in fishing but it that way and just thinking about life in general in everything and just trying to think positive student. It's it's hard in times like these but I'm hanging in there do you like. I said I'm glad and I feel good. And you know that's it's hard to say when you know that other people are struggling but if you really are asking on doing really good Luckily you know God bless my family's are I never ever that's good. That's good to hear. I think I think one of the best things we can do it during these times. Frankie is get outside and appreciate nature and like you said you've been fishing. I want to circle back on. A recent fishy caught. You gotTa tell us about that Muskie do what the what was positive. Thoughts that the hook this thing is like a dinosaur is what he called it guys. I've been trying. I've been fishing back in this lake. That half like three years and normally they there have been you know this big old bass out there's a baptist or man and then All of a sudden I started catching other species. A fish back their in house. Kinda going. What's going on here because verse year on stationers killer Little Bass and all of a sudden. I was catching Walleye. Saga Sauger Catfish. A twenty five pound. Catfish blue cat back there and unlike as my backyard kind of fishing Mecca and apparently man it is because I would have never thought out a combat muskie and it's going on and I I'm telling you I think it's the unofficial record in Ohio the big Muskie ever caught over fifty six inches over Fifty eight pounds 'cause I took a wait the only way we can catch a couple of like I said Bass or saw guy that you know. Two three thousand fish And I had heard that there were muskie out there so I I take four polls wherever I go. They all different lines on them. And I'm like why not out? Here's a point you're on this point where I was fishing and I'm like maybe there's there's a current that's coming around here and that's Kinda where we catch. All the fish is like right at this point in through on twenty twenty five pound test Through on a jerk bait just like me Gone Dirk you know And and man just started down during the day and you know everyone has their own little thing they do to all and a couple judge double twist couple times. Whatever you do And it was about the forecast and all of a sudden man. Oh I mean I never even hit like something so ferocious literally in my life and it was five minutes of just pandemonium. Just pandemonium with my buddy buddy. There he was we. We haven't on Gopro and we're looking. I mean his teases shaking and He's he's a big dude. He was like six foot two. And I'm holding this fierce. I'm trying to tell them that. Do go in the water cause I had about two yards out. Might just go in the water and push it up to to the store because we had about two feet of Sore. Maybe three feet of sore that we were on this lake. I would say sure but whatever you call it And he and he got. He went about ankle deep and we saw a big massive. This thing was any went. Did Ethanol Bro. I can't go win. And right when he said that I thought it took off and just start heading for the middle and like I. I didn't have a leader on their fishermen trying to catch muskie which I wasn't at all but luckily at a big break steel leader on that thing because Muskie's just right when they had with their tail around and they cut the line for some reason. Man Distinct I hooked it so perfect. It just stayed on for about five minutes. It was just me and him. You know like just just ballard up and down just like a beep test when I'm going against land and just back and forth lambs always trying to you. Know we're going at it and you know. Luckily I I held on longer man for once that pawn is man. This thing was it was like I said so. Fifty seven pounds. It's been eaten all my fish. I was scheduled and the bully finally got bullied psych literally. The bully finally got bully and it didn't know what to do about the sting in finally got it up. I couldn't even hold it with my own. Two hands and IVC five feet long right. Yeah whatever fifty. Six inches is that's Yeah did you see it for my mind? My shoulders are fifty seven inches for my shoulders to my feet and It was over my shoulders a little bit so I'm thinking over even over fifty six inches and man did as a fisherman. You're just like it was only my Fourth Muskie. I've ever caught and I've held muskie's up like this. Like forty five injures no problem just hanging out up to my soldiers holding them with my grip that I have in their mouth this one. I couldn't even pick up for longer than four seconds in my voice was is I pick it up my buddies do pick it up and drop it. I mean it was literally that heavy and so I'm thinking I mean I'm even taking over sixty pounds so for me. There's another milestone for you know like in my just in everything because it's like you said the good life is so good as a soccer player live in the moment and then all of a sudden that stops and you're like Whoa For me found. Finish it in right now for me I just I just. I picked up the custody. You know for a right now and it was pretty cool. Feel that way again but I mean that's that's a little bit more solo and self you know happiness where it is when you you know. You're holding up the cup in any tournament. It's more of a city and a A just everyone around you. You know saying so little bit different feeling but man led us for though the fact you just don't like the biggest Muscian in Ohio history probably Trophy Fish Fan. That's a good metaphor for your career. Though you always win big basically everything you did was was at. This is my third sport. That really concentrated on the first surfing and I want a National High School Championship Matt. Second with soccer and I want an mls copy of two of them in that plenty of gold cups and now this one is is another trophy on the on the bucket list or dude so You know I don't tell anyone do you. Put your mind anything and I just like in Soccer Man. I had to put in the work in fishing Fishing like no even when we were working before the ban started. I mean I'd after work I was going fishing for dogfish five Twelve hours a day sometimes and sometimes you never ever catch a fish and even in the winter cold snowy. I'm out there putting in the work and when you put in the work you know whether it be the soccer. God's this God's serves drives they pay you back And so anyone out there you want you want you want to be massive man you gotta you gotta put into lurking and really do it. And there's probably some fishermen out there but did you put in the work man. I've been fishing three years. I've been fishing probably as much like so. Thank you fish. God's it's like what what you're all about positive odds and over the top effort like those two things in life will get you and yet Abbott behind I saw like I said four kids And my wife is. She's almost about overfishing. And but now it almost like right on the verge of her going. You know it dude. You can't do this anymore like we and then when I brought that fish in and showed her pictures now send them getting like I'm doing interviews with you know with with our local news stations dom to Berry you know Dhamma Eric. They're all calling me going because I posted it on social. They were what You know so now now getting. I'm not even getting interviewed for soccer. They don't even know your soccer player. A lot of these people know they're going to see about fishing. It'd be like what the heck well. That's a good segue. So let's let's go back to how you got into soccer. I can take reindeer but basically you know. Obviously even if I didn't know anything about you from listening to you I can still tell you a California kid like it's it's it's still there in your voice I can tell you of when you have the roots. The roots man that's the beaches in my heart. And that's where my heart game from. So how'd you go? From from servants. Aker nationally went from soccer serving. You know I played soccer before it served but It was always a reared struggle because all the surf contests were on the weekend and so a soccer so odd like literally might I read. Parents were one of them was driving me to the beach and the other one. I have a sister too so that she was in sports. The other one was taken. We were always just all over the place. Eight thirty Luckily Soccer Surfing happens really in the early. In the morning. Your your contests heats were. Were you surf against people up there like five thirty six in the morning? So you're out there and then you know your games and soccer normally eight thirty nine so I was just bouncing around from soccer tournaments of Surf Tournament Soccer Tournament and I played for a soccer club. Growing up that You know arguably arguably was one of the best in California at the time the Hoya nomads and had coached that So much coach can influence your life. It was a Scottish Guy Brian. Mcmanus will never forget. I'm alive Just at the game like so fun and You know I I loved it so much Under him and So I didn't you know my my. My Main Heart was was was surfing. Our it'd be serving but this guy somehow in all the teams that I that I grew up with playing Nate Hetherington's Joel costs coughs. And all these guys known will ever know about but I knew about him and they're probably better than me at soccer for sure but they remember rose and you know I'd Never WanNa let them down so I would go soccer too syrupy back and forth Jeez Dude guys I'm telling you it was grind remember one time Mr State A final I showed up at halftime because we got lost a surf contest was in Huntington Beach Finals. You know getting second place and then that was at like twelve o'clock in the afternoon and we have State Cup final. The whole loin nomads. It maybe like two thirty. It was maybe an hour and a half away in. La Indeed and me and my mom got lost. I remember crying so hard and she'll I mean gee remember the story in his day. We were both on showed up at halftime. Still Zero Zero We ended up winning steak fine on it wasn't given me but I got in the game and we ended up winning but it was like that until I was seventeen. Eighteen years old until zing called. Yeah let's talk about Franko Odyssey you go to a very small community college out in the West Coast. Ucla kidding fucking Mecca. Dude I mean Yeah Ziggy man legend. He calls yeah what was. What was the decision did you have? Did you have a ton of offers? I mean I would imagine a guy like you probably a bunch of offers. What what made you decide what you see at five schools that I went to the list? it was Usd University of San Diego obviously Went to Smu K. I went to a belief CREIGHTON grade school and went to Notre Dame while another one in other small in college and then Ucla so you know and each one of those you know. I love all the guy everyone was at. It was unbelievable. I got to go to Notre Dame game and you know at that time. I wasn't really a huge football fan. I didn't really know but my mom's big athletic and cheese see her. She was like you have to and once. I got the letter from from them said that they wanted to come visit. You have to go visit Frankie and and it was the first time I went and I was in snow. It was freezing and the best of my life but I went to the game dude. It was Amanda most. I never seen anything like that. In my life and the passion for sport they had the passion that I had. Chris I really liked that But I think he just brought me at the wrong time because it was snowing freezing and I was like to get back to be like just gave us in the summer. 'cause I think that's when you travel I don't even know trip was but I knew I was like a no. I feel like in my heart. My mom really had to school Notre Dame and UCLA And you know. She was like when I told her. Whenever I got back I was like. I don't think I could go their mob shoes. I remember being bombed but Luckily Ziggy came over and he was the only coach it really came to my house And and met with me And really That meant a lot to me at the time. And I don't know whether the other coaches you couldn't because they were out of state but That meant something to me. Does that on a personal level Just like this like you know still to this day. A brother talked to people like we're talking right now. Our frequency you guys got did as my bro- than email and it's And I you know I'll always be like that so back then. That meant a lot to me. Now it's the same I still. I still feel the same way. I'm on email me. Here's my number. Call me during this talk. I Miss You. You know like so You know Ziggy really talked to my family and we may. I mean it was a it was a heart felt moment But I remember the call that he gave he was gonNA funny thing. He calls me and goes he was on the line and I remember saying Franken Ziggy Smith from. Ucla like a Scholarship the body. You think you'd WANNA come. Ucla and I remember going I think to pursue a career in confessional surfing you know this is kind of where really kind of a Matt Right now because the school is tough for me you know. Soccer was cool guy. Run and get my energy out but school was something that was really really hard for me. I had to really work at it just to get by by you know like you know. I wasn't getting great grades. Three Point In High School at three point one. But you don't even know how hard I had to try to get that and I was like and I didn't have to try hard to run after the ball and chase. It smells like this. This seems way any. I didn't have to try hard to catch a wave and serve could drop in one thing that that was who was different. Was My heart raced for soccer. And and for Surfing generally raced for school of almost like started beating less than out. I'm a guy that likes obvious again. Jimmy on school really. I don't I don't want to you know it's bad to talk about school this way but I'm just trying to be honest because there's a lot of things that soccer comes to serving already but you know what comes easy. Some people is school and my wife was one of them. You know if you didn't even have to work on math. She can figure it out like that on the problems of Mike. What so i WanNa do something that came somewhat easily easy to me that I that I really enjoyed in Like I said let me get back to the point. Ziggys on the colonist and y'all get surfer egos and right out right there. My parents were on the other line like no. He doesn't know he doesn't like Ziggy. He he wants to go to UCLA. He loves school in House. Aside and after laugh in a eligible parents law right now and you know they brought me to where I am right. Now whatever And they want to do this too much love for what they wanted me to do. A little bit because my mind learning the surfer but yet they have a massive respect for your parents got all of us. What we're doing right now so either in that moment and it's like that saying sometimes your parents know what's best at the time you know although although Frankie out meeting sound like you were nasty it surfing but look soccer wasn't so bad not so bad dodgy juice day best best best mistake I ever made. I mean now one one of was tropical islands and do you know serving and live in the live but I live last so long. I had much much longer career in soccer than I think I would add surfing You know because I I don't I I probably would have stayed at a beach somewhere and it's been like no no I don after a couple of years. Now I'm just GonNa live here so Soccer I mean literally. Best not best mistake of many We obviously know this the AURA OF UCLA. Any notable on that on the program. When you were there. I know that you have coached. You weren't all American at one point. I mean they still pumping pros back. Then I mean I mean. How do we had so many when I got there? My team was Joe. Max Moore Eddie Lewis Ontario's off now Brad Friedel Just four the guys That I could name you know the year before these fifth year seniors. So the guys were there still Cobi Jones with your senior Mike. Lapper was a fifth year senior. So we have these guys helping out. Ziggy Also. In learning from these guys that were like some of the best college players in history. I would I would think in terms of lapper was was a beast and in terms of the championships was eighty one hundred ziggy and so it was Kobe and Brad. You know and Joe Max those four names I am. I am a might even be leaving out names that that are that are that were there that were just unbelievable players but those were the names that you know. I think kind of everyone knows now to this day. Joe-max Eddie Lewis Day rows off. Yeah those are households then. Phobe Jones like lapper teased out. What a team. So we had to learn from those guys and I remember Ziggy put me with Brad. Friedel As a roommate and my first year he was a senior and I think I was a freshman and he was Brad Brad. He's serious dude only goalkeeper. That went beat anyone in the Cooper Except for me Literally I mean this. This guy was just you know he was what it was to be a professional even before he was a professional and I was the exact opposite. I was As unprofessional as you can be assured up in in In High Tops. For the two MILE COOPER TESTS MY FRESHMAN YEAR. I remember people laughing at me And I ended up in the test arena. Kuban ten forty in Nike Air. Hi Tops I kind of like basketball? She is not really running to And it Kinda started from there because right then I remember Gigi at the next meeting of the next like when we're doing our we had these clinics we are doing. That was my claim to fame. He goes in. This guy ran the two mile test in ten forty. It wasn't like this guy played some great soccer. But I I love that and then from then on it. Kinda went dude. I can win all these tests like this. I'd never really done too many running tests and I knew that that meant a lot to coaches at the time to come in fit to camp and right there in my brain my you know my mentality switch drastically on how to two camps. I WanNa talk about your fitness but since you brought it up it's a good segue. I mean what I mean. I don't understand how that stuff comes so easy to some people. Obviously you I mean there's there's countless stories about you and beat test in Cooper tests running running and jumping into Mexico game after not doing anything. Frankly what's the what's the key to the? What's the hating sauce? How is it such a freak bro? Easy DID EASY. Easy for For one it's by genetics. But for the for the other thing is you don't you don't just all of a sudden genetics can run all day Lance Armstrong. And these guys I mean I know Lance. He's he's a US a bunch of stuff so maybe we can put that one out. I don't WanNa mention him as odd. But you know I put in the Work Surfing and my best time of fitnesses were when they called it hidden fitness. And when you take surfing and you think about the just a everything that goes behind it and explain it to you right now. It's crazy so first of all you getting your your paddling now in the water you have to go under about probably fifteen waves just to get to the outside of the water where you can go catch the ways in between that. What are you doing? You have to hold your breath every wave you go under all your bathroom. You come up while the waves still coming against you. You're you're the oceans always come in the opposite direction of where you're going as a surfer. So then you gotta come up and you're battling with your arms just after you wrap your you took your breath and you're tired and then oh here comes another one so you you take three steps forward one step back three steps forward one step back and that's fifteen waves just to get to the outside then you get to the outside of the the water and you sit in your surf boat now if you've seen anyone or or if you never tried to sit on a surfboard when you'd never have try it because you'll instantly the amount of core that you need to have to keep yourself steady on circle you instantly fall off. You're you're battling the the little ripples and if you don't know how to battle that Oh my God. It's a struggling to fall off your surfboard. So then you get out there and they fitnesses you relaxing. Talk into your Bros. As your core is just added at your your cores never not engaged. So and that's what keeps you bounce in the water so you're always going to go after Rilo. Bet Your core is getting different work talking to your Bros. Does this sound like a workout to you now not to me. I you know this is funny. Then I'll hit them the way you know. You GotTa do. Good luck from your turnaround. You Paddle as hard as you can to catch way using all this same muscle you've been using to get out to the water triceps. Your biceps your back muscles to go under the way I forgot this. You have to push your whole body weight and your board under the water as it's coming away from you so you're literally using all of your force which one hundred and fifty pounds or forced holding your breath going underway and coming up so now this is not even a one way. I've got some guy gets away around. Http paddles hard as you can. Now you gotTa push it. I'm only a buck fifty but some guys are more a buck fifty up from and you have to push it up and get on your feet as literally quick as you can point two seconds as fast as you can. Because if you don't take your fall at you'll go over the falls. They call it just like a waterfall. You have to get up and you have to dictate the issue. You Push your body weight of as quick as possible. Now you're going down. The wave new arrived at your your course so engaged more engaged than any before because you're just surfing the web. Oh and your legs are engaged. Your Password engage your. You're now you're standing up your laying down. Every bit of your muscle is being worked. Because you're going different angles than you've ever gone before. Then you ride. That wave all the way in. We're cut out and you do it all over again. I'm exhausted just thinking about that dude and that did that. That is one way so You catch about forty ways a session and so I would do it three times a day. Surfing. Maybe six thirty in the morning to eight thirty eleven thirty one thirty and then always in the evening. Four thirty to six thirty or whatever the so man that that was my off Season Program. You know a lot of people would have. He's a surfer. He just doesn't hang. No Luckily I knew that man. This sport gets you fit. I knew what serving did not my body was always like a triangle. Big shoulders almost like swimmers. You have wide shoulders and you know and it goes in and you look at surfers. The same way So there you go into Nutshell Eric. Sorry that question tips along but he and I think it's great we so we got rid of the the Development Academy. I think we figured out what we need to do. Just recently academies like everywhere in anywhere and then saying I had to learn at a young age. Now those guys have to learn way younger because timeouts you know really doing that. Those three sessions day. How's it came easy to be at ten eleven twelve so you gotta start serving guys like I said. I started a five a five years old surfing yet. It sounds not only cardiovascular ridiculous but yeah now that you mentioned a total body shocked or imagine when you fall you fall then you're all getting. It's getting the washing machine in twenty different angles. Hold your breath for probably at least twelve ten seconds your long are not when you're serving your lungs expanding your man when I had to go rent a beep to us. It was easy for me. I did my lungs have been. I've been I'm taking a thousand breath today day in. Hell like magic just going. Oud As long as you can hold your breath and doing that a thousand times a day. You know so long as probably would be a little bit bigger than normal. It'll freakish I WANNA move onto the Tampa Bay mutiny. But there's a story here at UCLA. I think he's told it's the Mr Hake who can Kareem Story. Can you give us a short short back story there? I added pretty pretty crazy. Story man in Guess I would say that's my dad. George Hader was a guy who who taught cream. Outduel bar the SKYHOOK. My Dad knew him as out. Senator it's documented in his book And it was a campfire story. My whole Dang life because I was always known because all my friends make fun of me. I mean my dad would tell it. Every time we go at camp like every family go out a couple of weeks of the campfire ought all my friends and we had A. We had a campsite about a mile away from my house which that was like everyone of our vacations. We didn't even live a mile away from our vacation. We'd go to this camp site and that was that was it and You Know My dad would tell the story said. Hey you know guys know that. I Thought Green. The Sky on listened to him okay. It's also about well. My grandmother used to walk them. The church You know my They lived under the Brooklyn to the Bronx Bridge Like Dad grew up in the projects a little bit and he lived in the same Projects as as As Kareem And my dad was kind of like I would say a woody Harrelson In white men can't jump of the Brooklyn the Bronx wherever Should probably know this but at that time he is a six foot four. I'm on five eight six four. He's a big dude and he was a big six foot four center and he always played in the parks and he went to stuyvesant high school. So He's a math guy Benny went to Manhattan College In started making a name for himself But eventually after call is high. School coach called him today Mister Hejduk George. I have this kid and my dad was starting to be known. As as a coach he was coaching kids a little bit on the streets. And people say I got this one. You WanNa work with his name's Lou is in the eighth or ninth. Grade is at time maybe six four six on May Thirteen and a half feet. I want you to work with him. Cosa man the guy can't chew bubble gum and catch the ball. Same time you know. It's almost like a deer in headlights or a baby. Giraffe being born everywhere so a dad gets all watch them that seasons. I've never seen specimen like this guy is arms are is laws legs along so much skin is bodies all over. The place noticed right away. Aided creek loop it goes every time you catch the ball. You catch it and you hold the ball. Love you know goes every every guard top it out of his hands. He was three almost three feet taller than all these kids. Hold the ball your chest. And they can't knock it out of your hands. Just hold the ball at your chest and then you go in and shoot will. Eventually he started My Dad had this shot. He was teaching Lou. Gram it was called the Push Hook and my dad has a six four center when you go. He kind of bad people up a little bit and push off with his left hand and then. Kinda do almost even do the Korean Full Hook. Because that was more of a risk shot he do push and no one can really block it. Now is his kind of Goto Land well he started teaching Lou that He got that drills the Mike Andrew. It was a drill out of the layup drills for For for for point guards basically shoot it with your right hand And catch it lamp with your left hand catch and now a little bit further out more feet. Three more feet. Four Murphy Murphy will eventually lose. Started Dunkin Oh my Dad Creams Dunkin on my dad at the when they were played one on one at the local parks and my dad had all of his friends. People Would Watch New Yorkers love that and Oh my God and eighth grade and I just don't on you and it was a big deal. Lou had also perfected that little short but my dad could block and then eventually he went a little cream. Hold your hands elements your wingspan anyway. Right there anywhere. Holy crap he goes. His Wingspan was like twice his iguanas. Here's what we're GONNA do. Your arms are so high that you're going to be able on this shot now to shoot down on the basketball. Who only only player in the history. It shoots down on a basketball hoop every think about every basketball shot up your everything's up. Everything's UP KAREEM HIS WINSTON. And how totally was so long? My Dad's GonNa teach you a little bit but you're GonNa Hook. It could be a risk shot. You're eager to learn how to show. It wasn't even like a hook. He started with his wrist and it was shooting down on the ball and my dad said once he perfected that he couldn't walk anymore. No one could block it over. That was an attempt made four dad. I'm sure so. That was in the dead grade. Yeah and then you know forty years later. They're getting their then octogenarian forty something forty something years And you know I don't know if that's a whole different story of how they got connected on twitter from me but but yeah you don't want to talk about this subject but it is still pretty Rad. I think it's it's almost. I like to talk about that more than almost anything in my career to be honest and I'm pretty proud of my dad just for that and like I said my friends always make fun of me. And until it got documented a few years ago You know I was the son of the Father Skyhook. Now I'M GONNA go. He badly lower the hate of never stopped. Alleged keeps wrong. He's so frankie. Let's get back to so you you obviously you're thinking. Ucla and you get drafted by the Tampa Bay Mutiny. Now defunct but at the time. They had a damn good team. I'M GONNA READ OFF. A few names Roy. Lassiter was a baller calls. Valderrama when MVP Steve Ralston was MLS legend. And by the way you got to be one of the you got to be one of the best value picks analysis sixty seventh overall. Is that right? Yup won a joke that is and who the meanwhile anyways so you get drafted by Tampa Bay. Take us through that. To be honest I was a bit of a loose cannon back then you know and I think you know a couple of things happen and met anyone mentions all of a sudden. The stock might have dropped a little bit. But you also have to think of I was you know still coming in. I was still enough income. Coming out of You know I was on the Olympic team and there was a lot of good players that were already established in MLS In terms of value definitely did like a sixty seven sixty six players better. Frankly fuck out of here. I'm telling you I think you know they're like do. We don't know what's going to happen to this guy. He might just go surfing and not show up to the game so I think maybe maybe that was a big part of it. They just didn't really know if I love the game that much which you know. Obviously they were wrong that one but the person that wasn't wrong in that one was Thomas Wrong and I remember I was with a group of players. It was right before the ninety six World Cup woke up ninety six Olympics and a bunch of guys that were seniors that were out of out of college. They didn't really have anywhere to go. But the Olympics is going to be in seven months. So they brought you know A bunch of US down fifty forty down to To the Olympic training center down in San Diego and we had triple days with Mooch and Bruce Seven six days a week. We got one day off a week every Sunday. Take him down. Rat must radical low surf bars called Johnny Surfer. And it was you know you had. You'd have I think it was like twelve coronas for or box or something or quarter of corona and we'd go out the best times ever and I still remember memories of that with those Guys Rob Smith who bear God There's a bunch of this cool dudes at but man we did triple days. And you know Glen Meyer. Nick Mooch was man so much respect that I have that guy does he was. He was a fighter. Like me a little bit like just a guy that ran ran ran And He did the same in coaching And he had played or Tampa Bay rowdies today at the Big Sombrero and I remember him because you know he came up to me. Say What do you think about a plane for the Muse backup? I go at that point. I didn't really know what I wanted to be honest because I was maybe going to go to To Europe I want to go to Europe and I'd something because I was with the Olympic team and I had something in my head. I'm going to take less money than this. And I I remember like I. I was getting kind of a little bit hockey And you know you you get humbled really quick Because in our member at the Olympic Training Center Senio and you know you have to people all players met in one. You know Spot and then. There was another room that there was a couple a couple of big. You know big wigs in. Us Soccer. You know go out. He was one of them that basically on a You're GonNa get if you were on this team. You have three choices. Twenty four thousand. Twenty seven thousand or twenty nine thousand and he would have it on a piece of our twenty twenty four twenty seven thirty three and you have on a piece of paper and you. Everyone went into a meeting. And you were just in just like we are in now and look up down. Write a number down and showed you own a piece of paper I remember. I think I think monastery dirty. I remember going man like best. Athletes is what they make might have gone to surfing. L. Is one serving contest for thirty grand. Like and you know what you just get humble like all of a sudden you have job. Your parents start dog to you. You know you. Don't you. Don't have any tryouts. You're up you don't have you know like I didn't really have a big time agent at that point to give me try out. It was no I remember. There's Michael Becker from Germany. He was Kinda on me at that point but he wasn't like this team wants to buy you so am I. Thirty thousand signed contracts. Next thing you know waiting from draft no I don't even think I watched the draft to be on is on serving and but I remember Like I said Glen. Marna came up to me goes a Tampa. Bay's Beautiful Frankie just like surfing weather so great you have other by. Would you WANNA go there remember? I love to go there. Tempering awesome but then I remembered. Bruce at the same time coming up to me about two hours later And Going Hey. Would you think you WanNa come to DC night? I Guess Jack Coach of Love to love the play for you. You know like Because he was going to be already the coach of DC. United US it. Yeah and I remember draft a and I got panicked Bruce. You know picked Tampa Bay. Bruce said he goes he goes. It goes damn did it gives. I didn't think you were to go that early. Always Yeah 'cause he wanted he goes I. I remember the day before the draft is GonNa pick you and when he said that you think like did. I'm getting like I big. I remember like around around galls like Dang Dude Mike and he goes I remember. Nothing was a humbling moment. Like I said in both of circumstances just going out. Remember my mind this. This is like a hundred thousand dollars in my mind which was nothing for rapid by. Minos like do that when I got thirty was like a moment. Was Bruce going out. I'm GONNA take you. You're a real. I really want you and I remember just having a I'll be honest. That was when I got my first national team call ups right then Steve. Sampson had knows me. 'cause they would come down and play the Olympic team. It would play us all the time I was. I was on top of my game at that point But not in top of my mind I was I was I was -rageous. Go Crazy on people and just I couldn't believe I I was more hungry So that was a little bit like cheesier. A guy that said he was prepared needed. Pick me what sixty you get a little bike row it. It really was a humbling moment for me but it was also mounted fuckers. You don't fucking proved to him that I'm owner. Go off nearly so bummed me on Thomas Wrong and and Glen Lyon it. Because they're the guys it told me to go there and they. These are the two words that really believed in me. What a perfect coach. I couldn't have had a better coach as a professional and Tom's wrong. Especially for a guy like me just you know at least can and like the party that team and it really was a bunch of misfits had myself a mark dougherty in goal had. Lavigne's wise outlived. You had Roy Lassiter of Peop- Valderrama Ivan McKinley. If you don't have South African Guy Shit from no one else hitmen a Scottish leftback that to this day still when I was talking about. I didn't know he was saying I'm unfamiliar eligible. Perky abro totally Frankie all up Clang Wayman. Clay coin was just a bunch of bad. Sepe TWO SEPARATE GALDERISI and Italian Guy. Who's just like little fire by? I mean the team was just a bunch of guys I think Thomas said I think these guys will have a lot of fun together. Steve Ralston mentioned Steve. Because ME and Steve. On that team together. We grew up with learning from Ivan McKinley. And Basically Steve Pittman which weed out to the bars with them. Before you know the only guys come on. Let's go coming here. Young guys in a Roy bowed aroma. They buried their kids. They all but do we got taken under the wing of guys that just love to drink and party and have a good time. Lay hard work hard and have fun. And that's when I really started really really really enjoying soccer. What did you learn from them off the field as far as how you could party but also make it work? Keep it together. You know what Doubt that's a mental thing you know that's In in sometimes they. I don't know if those guys can handle. It could handle it sometimes for me. I just did you know that I said like you. Have your your your your cap on did and I remember. One of my favorite movies was was over the top Investors to learn when you do the arm the arm wrestling thing and he turned his hat backwards. And I didn't care how create a what happened the night before was crossing that line on the field on my hat was backwards and and said it was almost as woke me up and that that's a true story this data. I don't know whether it really worked. But it did in my mind and I think as you guys know Eric you know for sure you know. Your mind is half the battle in soccer. Yeah for sure side note if private had so my best for trainings when I was hung over. But that's different story a so you you become an all star ninety eight. Franken you get named in the World Cup team a good year for you but what the I mean we. I mean no I listened to the American fiasco and I heard all these guys complain. And you're the one of the few ones that Dingy. You gotTA TAKE US inside. What what the fuck happened in ninety eight? Let's move. Let's move from mutiny now to your your National Team. I mean what Fuck Yeah. I'd you know that was as crazy moment American fiasco same like I said there was this. It wasn't the ask him. I mean that's what it was and this day he still love all those guys and there'd be their other attitudes ever goes. We were just putting a moment that I dunno. Everyone's ready for that. And all of a sudden known was a soccer star. Back in ninety four made a lot of guys soccer stars and I dunno known anyone was ready for for that because we had always been almost reported outcasts of sports here in America and all of a sudden we the fame fortune guys on magazines and covers and just guys heads a little bit and yeah it was a fiasco. Doodoo but at the same time there were still cool guys on the team. They're still all those cool but I think they made it harder on themselves and the ad do and my focus was you know. I'm GonNA world cut me. I spend time maybe twenty three years old. I would say as fans and five years old twenty eight thousand nine hundred years trying to get Repertoire Matt Right now but Italy and I I knew that my head whether it was a partier I did things differently or as loose can you know I was there and I did I did to get there and I think at that time it just got. Everyone's no one was ready for a moment And and it's it is. It's hard to talk about this dudes dudes because it's still wasn't awesome moment but I did have to block a lot of things out during the time where you know you wanted to be. I should have been as focused as I could be. Disarmed my teammates and the game and now sudden. I'm choosing sides and this guy. Did that who who did not like there. Was this drama in the end that we that we didn't need and you know. Obviously we weren't good enough at that point to have drama. We we should have been you. Don't even see drama and the Brazilian national team ever let alone us. You know we're we're not even at that level yet so For that was a little bit frustrating but like I said I listen to a lot of Bob Marley. We stayed on vineyard. I drank too bicycle. Wine and night. you know luckily add some sleeping pills to take me through everything. I didn't have Ambien at that time. I don't know so you guys can put you guys can take out of there. Italy got me to sleep a night at times because you wanted to stick about the game and now you're thinking about other stuff that you should be thinking about So yeah but at the same time I got I got the plant I got to be in the Games and you know next thing I know. I'm signing contracts for Leverkusen at that same vineyard that I was at has gone through like thinking in my mind what is going on here and eventually I just went. You know what I just wanted to be over there. Let's go and It was right before the Iran. Game and I remember the game days later. I was up all night until five in the morning. Doing a contract with a random calman was leverage. Houston's general manager of time and Pretty funny I remember. I remember answering coming up to me and we at this point we were already out of the car. It lost you get it. Didn't have a chance in one more game against Yugoslavia and he had saw me talking the Random Calman trying to keep it a little bit secret because they'd come they'd secretly come out there Because you can sign for you know a team. Six months in advance Nv A my contract was up in with with MLS You know six months later so right at the perfect time where they can get me. You know obviously you know doing a contract. All night alleman You know like I said before my mind I have a Mike and I could stay here for one hundred grand in the US on fifty no problem and now all of a sudden. I'm having a team offer. One point five mill and. I'm like wait. How is that one hundred fifty four is that I remember? I hate it you know. That's an extra zero Frankie and I was just like and there was other teams under some beer at some teams in England. That wanted me at that time. And they're like I had some agents who don't sign don't sigh and just think about that. You have in your mind. You have one hundred fifty grand and then you're getting an extra zero And also you. That's done done deal thumb and never signing it right there and At that time levers was you know good team. We're about to have some of the you know the golden years as a day frankie. I think you talked about the ambiance stuff I mean today. It's like no matter what you do also feel that you bring the noise and you do your job. That's all anyone cares about whether it's whether it's Party and whether it's wind whether it's whether it's whatever I mean the thing and I think that's that's that's that's where you've made a career for yourself too great great example you take your businessman own gives a shit about any of that within the legal limits to you. That's it you know are obviously obviously I was always putting. They called me the chemist at one point you know you seem to. Garyk always mixing different stuff but it was always right not little gray area. You know like so. I was a bit ahead of my time. I think because I remember even talking to to trainers go. No if you use this opens up your oh two levels if you banned and it was all legal and I was like and they're like And I was like okay mic okay. I think I'm a little bit ago as much as I wanted. I thought these doctors were really gnarly. I might know a little bit more about my own body and what I need to put into it than them. Yeah so hey so. Let's let's talk about that extra zero on that contract so you for Bar Labor Kuzin. Which by the way you said the Golden Years Leverkusen. Let me just these players. We got Michael bollocks Roberto Carlo. Ceramill o-of Kirsten Lucio Bernd Schneider. You'LL DRI best. I mean Franken Roberto. I mean frankly. Let's talk about that transition. And you're welcome in the Lakers. And Wow dude I mean the welcoming elaborate Curzon was whole recruit man like it was like it was like taking the best player in mls but have twenty two players of those really was it was like taking a bunch of MVP at each of their positions and the best of the best and bear at at at at there on that one team and the next team has the same team the next day at the same amount of good guys. Wow Man I became a way better five two player. I know that Because they they would always put me into hard group because you scare got. I love the touch and tackle dude out. My touch was the Tuck near done. And these guys at a toddler in it's a gift it's a gift one hundred percent as I see my kids try to Juggle Juggle on. It's hard for them. You know what it was hard for me and I watch a video of a kid on Youtube. It's three years old. He's Juggling one hundred fifty times no problem. So there's a there's A. There's a level of text gift I think you're gifted from God. Luckily unluckily wasn't gifted with that skill touch. Luckily I was gifted with a heart and some lungs goes. You know what we've learned is you don't only have to be a gnarly. Skilled guy did to be on the field and often those guys don't make it to the next level because maybe they'll obey his heart and big as long as they don't know that they're gonna get kicked so I've got to learn at Laverick is and how to get kicked. I wasn't the only guy kick in. I wasn't the only guy fighting. Did tone you. I never been in trainings that you've seen like I said there was twenty two guys. There were all playing for the respective national teams at that point. And they were all in their captains or the stars of their team had Niko Kovac wrong. Bro Brothers you know they. They went on one of them to go to Munich point now but those guys they were straight from Croatia te authors guys. You ever seen in your life where my first second trainings are. Remember trying to pressure. Nego really tough and he got the bond did he just did one of these elbow right to my notes. shoulder length. Like you're not coming near me. How hard are being a Frankie Har- bloodiest had just want to wear? I did and I was like fuck out. These are my type of US. Fun Radical student. They were all like that and I never really was scared of anyone but the first time I was like God. There's some big fucking dude you that are like me that. WanNa throw elbows and tackle hard. And they're bigger and stronger than me shit but at the same time they respected. You know what I did as well. They saw that Iran. They always hanging out with every group. You know Kinda weird because the German guys hang out with the German guys and it was always always tables you know the Brazilians would hang out the resilience. Creations would hang out with the gration and I was kind of the guy always floating around and I was always getting invited to all the parties. You didn't get your provided to the Croatian Party. If if you were maybe one of the all. Kinda like there is respect soccer wise for all of them but outside of soccer There wasn't many people that liked each other out out there. And you know I'll I figured that out really quick and luckily I got invited to every group So I got to be really good. Rose with all the is in Like I said those were the golden years of Leverkusen mandate was playing you. I was planning Champions League Games and champions of games. You got double your salary associate. You know so you got in a game you know one of my bonuses. Waterfield nine ten thousand dollars for walking field in a normal MLS game. I mean normal Bundesliga game well. It was twenty grand if I if I got on the field for for eight or champions again and this was this was twenty years ago. So you know in a month you know there was a day. Know a lot of state. And if you weren't on the roster for that you didn't get those that money if you earn the Benko layers if you didn't give them the game you got a little bit you got. You got a lot but not as much as if he stepped on the field and the guys who didn't even weren't even on the bench anything so there was just a fight training. That was just so abnormal. What we were used to. But that's the only way I played in training anyways so it wasn't it wasn't a different training from all out every single training. I didn't care if it was a high school player. A A remember me almost breaking high school players lag and at the time to care and looking back on it. I'm like damn did about. I'm so glad I didn't do that. But at the time Taliban he was dude you kick me so hard. You're getting you're getting it and that's how it was over there and you're getting it and not only that you're getting it because my family wants to get paid and over there. They know that it's a short career like here. We just you know. We're just playing golf and we don't think are we think are. I think it's gotTa last forever. Germans realized that this could be a ten year career. I have to make as much as I can. Right now And so every training was intense. If you didn't play a game on if you didn't say you were out of that eighteen or even not it in eighteen but you didn't play that game and you missed out on a lot The state training they would have one on one with all the guys that didn't play. And then they bring in the amateur kits and the one on ones with goals. Goals twenty yards apart. To biggles two goalkeepers roll the ball no Nedal and whoever scores? Even if you don't even if you shoot miss it's an excise wall. She missed this until somebody scores. You're going at it and I'd never. I'd never been in so many fights in my life. You know I mean I've gotten fistfight out. Say I mean in a year probably seven times a year like legit like boom. I just go at it now. Luckily I could fight a little bit so I didn't lose Jimi about some draws and lost a couple because I've tried to fight some bigger guys but that's literally what it was And you talk and I'm telling you one one training I remember me going against Jeff Cunningham. I'm sure she'll remember. It is cutting him over to try out for the for Leverkusen and at one point and had unbelievable trial. Still don't know why to this day that you didn't pick them up because he I mean he was toying with everyone out there But I remember. They put us in a cage and it was called. The cage was too little goals and you literally in small cages. Almost like age fighting. And it's a you know I won the ten the assistant coach and you and his demeanor. I remember dude. I mean I'd never tackled so so hard. My life or at tried to be tackled so hard my life I remember once Jeff saw really what was and he found out really quick because I was already pissed. I didn't play Jay the last couple of games and everybody's trying out or not If if you talked about Jamaican tackle. He got it on them. And if you talk about Megan Jamaican tackle. I got it on me and that that was how it was and it was literally no-holds-barred goal out there. It was bring you on the brink of breaking you right until you're just about either to fight or you couldn't handle any more and then going okay. You're start the next game over there. My first eight months guys all right. I didn't I didn't play for eight months and I went over there having like a great World Cup. They bought me. I I was going to be the guy that I I didn't play for eight months. Eight months and right at the end. I remember talking to my age. I got to get out of here. Alex Flint sock of money. And Making F- about this. This is literally. I think that FRY that next Saturday. I got the start and I started ten games in a row and we broke the Leverkusen record of or retied Bundesliga Record of eleven games of games in a row with wins at Lavon gains and I remember. That was the first season so the very end of the season. I go out having the best season when I feel. We want eleven games in a row. I broke my nose. The last game I'm I'm just going to be good. I'm in the team I've made site. They bought the very next year. They bought a Oliver. Neuville for fifteen million in my position. And this is what it is. It was almost like what more do I have to do. And then they bought a better guy and that's just how it was there and then whether that was better or not he was. You had to prove it wasn't and if you didn't and you know Oliver's good so so who's the biggest name? You've got an fistfight with I. I don't WANNA I don't WanNa not. That's let's keep that locker room. Talk went on because at the end of the day we were at are still taking a shower. That dude and saying hey. We were still apologizing to each other. Maybe a dare later it never. It never became personal to a point where you've like had enemies because it was always in the moment and everyone big. They didn't play and be angry. And like I said. Just get you to that brink of almost The breaking point. And then you know you. I'd played with it. Hold one second SAM. I played with Jeff. He's a scrap yard just not A. He's not a joke cutting. Yeah he doesn't take shit either and all he he doesn't jabs muscle big. I remember him walking in the locker room and people coming as yoke admittedly people go the fuck who. I never did like a brother man. He's he knows what I'm talking about. And we and we had a really good time in Leverkusen for a month. He was there for a month and I basically took him under my way of me and him hung out every day so in Jaffna each other good but story was about how out brutal really it is over there And and yeah for Sure Sam. Go ahead yeah. Well let's let's go off the field and so you know you used to used to do some partying in your days in Tampa Bam sure now. What was it like when you get over to Germany? Is it just the same thing? Was IT What what were the differences? Well I think a lot of differences were in Tampa Bay. You couldn't train twice a day. I mean we were training. It was ninety degrees and at at eight in the morning there so You can't train as hard as you can train in in the states as you and certain parts of interstates as you can Germany because Germany is ideal conditions forty degrees. You want to warm up you WANNA run. You almost WANNA have a trump day because it's so cold out you're like what the hell am I gonNA do? Well if you had to sign him girls. Yeah you got a cool. You have guys partying and hanging out because you can really have one trading literally and we. We train super early in the morning because even then it was too hot. At eight o'clock seven thirty trainings. So our days were done by ten. We were at the pool. Eleven hanging out and you know just trying to stay fed. Do we could but I mean I would say we did a little bit more ardent than than playing back then in Leverkusen. He just couldn't do that Just because Triple days and the next day and can be hung over for AAA. You'll you'll be. You'll be injured really quick. You know as well as I do any any athlete of all drains a lot out of you out of your muscles and You can you can handle it to a certain point but you know really quick. When you can't normally you find out with a hamstring injure or groin injury and then you go faulk. Maybe I shouldn't have done that over there. It was like that and for me I had I had a thing I'd go. I had my day to double days. I drink more water. I think that I've ever drank my life over there over there that called A sparkling water and it's Here they call it a grandmother's water water that American drinks at Grandma's watered it. It's you know it's really light and there's no carbonation so they over there even at training. You have a very light carbonated water. So it's very weird but I'd always pound five of those day but I had out there. I had five five pints at night at my local Irish pub every night literally was playing for laboratories in knowing really bug me too much. I shaved my head eventually once I shaved my head normally new miss the I could be a little bit peaceful but in the beginning it was pretty crazy. I couldn't go anywhere without people noticing. My hair go drink tweet. Mike Man did if you win to that training and you would have just gone through. This went through. WanNa have a couple of drinks to exactly and every day every day. I believe it student sermons are nuts man. Germans are nuts. I mean I've never been. I've never experienced European soccer. But we'VE WE'VE HEARD THOSE. Kinda stories countless times managed to different animal franken. I mean you just went through integrate. There's a reason why one of the best there really is. I mean sure. Sure Dirty Work Ethics Unbelievable. I have such respect for the Buddhists. They got like I've never done before it went over. So Gosh but now they're fans there there the way they train the way that they've baked coach the way they're able to tame their players is unbelievable. I don't know to places that can do that and get away with. It may do it in you. Respect it for sure so before we move onto Columbus and were the frank legend in Columbus takes off. So let's talk about the two thousand two World Cup. Man That was one of the biggest is highest highest moments in your soccer. You obviously big part of it. Let's talk about that. You guys be Portugal tied career Poland. We lost but I think we ought to qualify at that point. So let's talk to you. That man got. She's what a team for one farthest the US has ever been in a World Cup. Also Yeah I mean that's twenty thousand to man. I was thinking that we could be. I think we all WanNa be advanced from that but Did that team when you look at it Wow I mean yeah. Had everyone either on top of their games at their respective clubs or about to peak. Nba Stars Land Beasley. Come out of their their youth Just getting to where they're established guys you but still like respected. The old guys you had Mcbride on your Ad. I mean these guys are all playing at the top clubs over in Europe at O'Brien. Yeah Ron O'Brien for I mean Ryan played for acts. I think McBride was where at World Stroller Sunday night. Claudia was either at Rangers or some club. He was playing for every single game Who else do we have? Any store was playing holiday. Think yet owes plane hall and Eddie Lewis was playing for Preston. Yup Plan in Lebanon son. It was on a plane at her. The Berlin So I mean in any who is in Gold Brad. Friedel reto easier there on Liverpool or over platforms. Yeah maybe I think he's a liberal. Might have been the time where he's out livable. I don't know you but I mean listen to that and then you guys like Pablo Mastroeni. You know this guy. That was just a young kid who was just about to just. This was tough as nails and lots look scary. People were despite. He was an intimidating force. and you know he was a big dude. He was strong and he didn't take it. You know there was a you had guys that Just don't really didn't take shit. That's where you had. You had eleven tough guys on each side and twenty two. Tough guys on top of that but That were top of their games in their careers That enjoy being around each other. Bruce created an atmosphere along with Mooch and all the assistant coaches of Pierre WHO's our trade. We all hated him because he made us run so much. Because it's Dan attribute a lot of our How fifty words To him You know he was made us work harder than probably any of us will ever work that it paid off in that tournament but Yeah not only that. You had Bruce of. Ood FOR THE FIRST TIME. Kinda said families can go stay with their players and he made it at the hotels at a World Cup Any made it a very family like atmosphere. I remember my mom and dad still talk about hanging out with the pope's in the Beazley's our visas all these people to this to this day we had so they still remember that. Oh two World Cup not only because of the way we played they talk about the stories that they had in terms of going out when we won when we couldn't go out all the families went out to these places. Add Karaoke night and they add so there was a real family bonds not only amongst players that year but amongst players families and There's a good mix of dudes understood each other at knew who we were. The new a new touch was shitty. But I'll tackles anyone could tackle and then I was going to run anyone to the ground and You know you knew cloudier was going to be as patient on the ball. He could and he brought what he could you know John. O'brien was just like a player. That how is he not playing somewhere else because he's so good you know but he didn't he he really didn't carry it in soccer McBride. Who was a serious as can beat up? You know these guys that were just full of life full of energy and full of commitment All in one era in an era that was both guys were just about to end. Their careers are kind of going over the hill but at their peak and guys that just about the blue watching watching that team watching that group. It didn't seem like a team that was happy to be there team. It seemed like a team. That was like y'all. Let's fucking go do something. That's the biggest thing I took from. You guys play Portugal in the first game. I mean you guys stared of a massive dogs. Straighten a fucking is basically basically talk to them and for me. That's one of my best. Memories is as a youth soccer plagued government through and it's about you know you talk about the ESPN's not now it's like those are the feelings and those are the memories that you guys created for us and those are the things that I took as a you soccer player and the inside so you can tell me if that's how it was but that's what it seemed like. Frank. I mean you're exactly as worried. Nothing about other than getting winning. And competing heirs heirs. We knew we were when we're trying to presents. Soccer Balls Gruesome Brooke. This is what we are. We're to drop encounter. And we're GONNA counter through Beasley and Landon Eddie. And our wingers flying forward to play the ball in the new bride but on the other that were to drop and we're to drop encounter in when and if you look at all those games and World Cup. At Times. When we had most difficult times when was actually were too high pressuring and then we got almost played over the top but We dropped encountered and we knew a team that new every single player new their role on the team and coaching staff Definitely made it that way. I mean I I remember. I was playing against feed on your life. I was playing left back. That never played left-back nerve. I'd never played left-back except for one game before that. Because I think Greg Vanney was a left back at that time and he for I think is is acl or something. So it was a in Jamaica friendly game before right before the World Cup. And I was playing right back. And then Bruce put me on the left side and put Tony on the right side. And then I ended up bad like an unbelievable game out left and it ended up getting a penalty for us. And then all the sudden Bruce Don. I could play that and I do think I just got Lucky Cruise. Like but his metality was just play to touch. Get the ball off your foot as quick as you can but now here comes the first game. I'm playing against a world player of the year. I mean this is playing against Rinaldo Chassis. Any of those guys ego fever player of the year. And now I'm planning on my opposites. Were the best player. And I'm like I remember before the game and I would always try to. You know you try to get one out before the game you know. Just get get get your get your stomach clear. Now get not get your stomach cleared on everything and You know right before the game. You're GONNA shit myself and I'm in the locker room right before and were this for the World Cup your first game. We train months and months and months for this moment. And we're finding a moment as a team and I couldn't beat her and I remember Bruce. We're striking whereas FRANKEN WORTH. Frankie and I don't take a tennis coach and he goes well. I hope you shit yourself now rather than in the game and I remember just happening and it was like a moment that this puts the pursuit East Frankie. I remember going. This is not. He just made it exact as I thought it was actually at laughed and I was like dude. There's so much more to live this moment but this moment is so cool. I remember to smile go back. I washed my hands editor. You know the whole deal and I was bad. Got To do the whole cheer within you get ready for that first. Usa on three Count right before went out to play or to go. In that was that was a team in a nutshell and at that moment everyone laugh in. This was probably ready for the most serious moments of all of our careers and we were smiling and there is funny yet. He knew how to get that way and do riots rent moments. He said the right things and Got To love and Frankie Players don't get lucky against world players year just enough. Why Jarvis who did something good but let's go? Let's go to really quick to what I did good and if you wanted to him again. Vigo's playing played against them only for fifteen minutes. I've belated him three times. Three of the hardest tackles and they were all fair tacos. The fourth one. He makes me and get him and it's about. He went on the other side of the field after fifteen minutes. I'll only had to play against Consalvi. Who was an Italian Stud at that people? Forget where he played inter- at that time he was also a very big player but he came on my side. And I'll tell you a game not much easier smart but let's go to see you guys. Did you guys? Obviously this is the one that hurts all of us. United States people Germany Game Dude. I'm a German but man. What a what a city way to go down there because the frings handball. I mean we were right there. Let's talk about conferring Ze. Yeah you know what a game and what to be. Honest still won. We beat Germany. Did we we played better than Germany in a World Cup. Semi was the quarters or Florida cards. I wish yeah. We outplayed them and again. They have some big names and some big players and we weren't intimidated man and we. Bruce Changed up systems in that game game before played left-back accurate plays right midfield and a three five two so bruce that tournament switched up things to wear everything. You WanNa do. He did like. It wasn't just. Oh we played this system. We switched up every game which was genius to move against him. Two three five two which arguably I think worked into maximize player for player. In that game I mean we did it. We we matched layer for players. The best players in Germany had at that moment. Bobby all those guys were making five or ten million more than us And you know we re matched and no problem in God that game was just. I remembered Brusco and Frankie run through it to do what they do in Durham does run tackle heart run and tackle heart running tackle hard and I was gonna be one of the first time and while that seventy fifth minute of the game I was tired and and And that was his bell from just being so muscle strength just muscles. Tighten everything ready to go at one moment and just Man Riyadh game in her hands in her pockets landed play additives minds. Claudia played out of his mind. Gregg Berhalter played out of his mind. Twenty seven out of his mind Mcbride Alvis I mean we all. I did my usual just playing just even steady but all those guys really. I mean they played really. We played at the level of of any one of those German players. And unfortunately you know the soccer gods that day today guys you could have to wait for one You guys we weren't. We weren't ready for you to be here right now. Maybe you got a little early. But they didn't soccer God's weren't with us about moment because if they were penalty red guard goal. Us In semi finals against what potentially Turkey or or I think another team that we yeah. That's that's the craziest thing like if we would have just gotten back fucking crowds while man it would have been it. Would've gotten and honestly what he got. Gnarly Franken fucking crowds. Jaffar is a fucking currently so I think he I think he yeah. My Dad was born in Germany. I if that was offensive. Not Not. You're I know you you don't when I've thought like moment it wasn't tends to you in that game. You saw US after that game. We were basically just we gave all we could see audio. Goes Down where? Where does all working going man? What more could we have done to to win? A game in God Man we still. We got screwed a little bit. But I'll tell you this. The Soccer God's remember that just like the fish God's remember how much work the machine and they're gonNA realize one ASAKUSA but in a lot of work and back games gonNA come back and they're different way hopefully in years to come with with with a cup for sure for sure team now at a team around it was. It was a man who watch the video our way guys if you haven't seen the video our way And it's a it's a DVD outed. I think Your soccer did that time. As kind of pretty much out was it was pretty radical and that video does it all and then we go out with With us you know singing we get it our way as loud as we all can And you know remember. The must the moment when the After we beat Mexico when the frigging Mexico bus we battle best game of our lives. Be Mexico finally In a World Cup were okay. Who's better this is what mad. All the friendly's note don't matter all the World Cup Qualifiers. No don't matter you guys were playing against each other around a World Cup to go to. Finally we win. What happens after the game? Our bus goes out there. Bus goes out. We didn't even know all of a sudden our bus. We get stopped at a light. What bus pulls literally right next to us on the at the light they get stuck and we all looking over we all beers in our hands and Ernie Stewart I remember gotta dancing and then all whole Mexico team just comes up. The windows of their bus just starts bone novel flipping us off and we just looking at them dancing with Budweiser's in our hand rafting yet I will never fucking for jet that moment as long as I live. It was one of the most gratifying moments of my life My kids being bored in probably my marriage and winning the MLS. I mean those the other one your memory of basis that. I saw that for years. Just you know either smiled at me or call them. Whatever them just being so full of pain and and not paying anger just going. How did those guys just frigging beat us other out and I don't think I'm supposed to say that. He just. Yeah what the Hell I can't say Kelsey gringos came. You could say Griego fine. I'll say I'll say frankly. That was by far one of the best. I mean you can ask a lot of American soccer fans. I was probably the best like for you as one of your best memories. It was one of our. I mean for sure as a fan one of the best we've ever had it was it was a it was an exciting inspiring time. We'll get those back coming back to you. We're going back. Twenty twenty two twenty six back-to-back World Cups back. We're going back to back in Greg. We trust but let's so frankly. Let's let's let's talk about the crew yet. We've even talked about Ero. I know we haven't talked about the crew but we're GONNA so don't worry we just finished talking about the World Cup. Let's talk about the beginning of the Frankie hated. Columbus Love Affair Story Legend Tale. Whatever you WANNA call it. Frankly so let's talk about moved to Columbus with the same gallon played only played seven games there in order to talk about that. But you you come home. King comes home you come to Columbus Ohio talk about that. Yeah Like you said. Thank Allan was awesome but You know what? I didn't think that league was much different the MLS in terms of players in terms of where. I was After the cup I just wanted to soccer you know and I went to Singapore six games and then all of a sudden I was like I was on the bench again on Mike. Heads going on you know and and let's be illegal so don't it was? It's very similar or if not. Mls is even better than that. So I was like what the heck am I doing away from my family and wait from everything and Get them stand a little bit. Sooner than a lot of people know is was going through a divorce at that time to And I didn't have my kid in Germany anymore and the first two years I was there I did And after that didn't And it was tough because I would be a and this is one of the reasons probably the main reason I left your. I'll tell you that right now because I could have gone from. Saint Gallons were another team after that season in Germany. Because I was a free agent and I remember my agent gone frank. You know you have one more European contrast he goes you you're gonNA make millions from the next contract will get your team what we're out here but it didn't didn't know as I was hurting inside is a dad. You Know He. He was back in Florida Nestor. My son was back in Florida. I only got to see him. Maybe a month a year if even during the summer when I had off and I got to see him for two weeks during Christmas in about point my career he was about to be four or five years old and I remember me the in four or five years old and being able to remember some and I just wanted to him. Remember me as Dat. So at that point my career had to be in my father or a in my provider provide lots of money doing that style. You know But I had to make a choice man. I wanted to ask so outer coming back to him. A less I was making a one point. Five two million a year and I went to make it one hundred fifty grand a year. I took a three year contract one hundred and fifty grand a year. So if you think that it was ever about like money or that was that was office for one is about Playing I really wanted to play and all of a sudden lane lesson Germany but the number one thing was was was my family and I wanted to see Nestor more. I got to come back to Columbus and I got to see him for three months a summer and then two months here so I was almost seeing now six months a year. Now I was being able to be that bother you know so my my I I was happier as a player and more free and everything was was coming back together. Because I can tell you this as much as Germany was awesome in everything over there was killer. The money was or add You know my head wasn't right over there ever I don't think For a long time and it's hard to be a player when you're when your head's not right you know and whether you know everyone has their own things that they think about but You know what my where I always had to think about day in and day out For for three years was dammed. Airline might not hit So yeah that that time over there was hard and then I got to come here. Be With my kid He got to see you play soccer at a point where coming back. I was still only twenty nine years old. I think. Twenty eight now. Maybe twenty eight and let's the prime of your careers. Soccer players right So I was coming back still in my prime I was coming back happy And that was it and then Annette Columbus and the People Columbus were even more happy than me even more nicer than me What I've felt love even more than I love myself and I was like being did I just come into a wonderland. This this can't be people can be cool and it's nice year and Weights and rivers and streams. And I've heard about is you're in the middle of America. There's nothing around all my Godson so the opposite And now thinking that people said that because they didn't want this place to be discovered because it is really that cool A found okay. I I didn't have visas and this matt anymore but I found a different respect in lives in wildlife and being out nature and literally having people be the nicest people in the world to you and respecting who you were as a player. Not only as a person but as a player. 'cause you're from Columbus if you're a hard worker and you run your butt off and do their love your matter. What doesn't matter how good you are out? If you put in the effort they will see it and they know and they know that more than a guy doing a double triple step over with the nutmeg foul. My right spot I do. I play Cannoli. You know it's people want skilled. You guys do love scoring roles and these guys love tackles more than goals whether it be from their football background from Ohio state and just being you know and that's what I think it is used to people hitting people hard so when they saw that in soccer which was Before I think I was maybe not as more of a of a wimpy sports. I think they got to see a little bit different sides or they got the respected a little bit more. Not like people didn't do that before I came. But for whatever reason whether it because I have long hair my attitude and say they adapted to me. Really quick adapters lamb almost even quicker. Because I was like man. Westerville was voted one of the nicest cities in all Ohio. And that's where I live right now and I can attest to that because I mean it's almost like a dream land And you know I came into a place that I play like me as a person like me having long hair like me screaming and yelling and drinking a beer in the games some spending times where I took a sip of fan on a throwing you know at those gains were happened but only care any other time and place Adele is he doing. He's now if they can't do that. You know what I'm thirsty man. You have a beard Omega. Get drunk off a SIP and I'll still be able to play has carbohydrates. I feel an echo. Everything you're saying I mean you're obviously a huge example of it but I think also this the mentality blue car mentality midwest mentality frankie you know like myself not only talented but another guy. I mean I was the same covering the Saint Claude. I tried hard on my team. And that goes far with those people frankie and I think that's why they fell in love with yourself so quick. I don't know if you'd be starting that you'd be my eighteen for sure y'all as long as as long as I'm in the eighteen hundred I'll take about two zero to the guys on the bench and you know you know when you're on the bench do Kinda do that shit all my you know. You're so that's for Sir. So you guys you know cute. I mean we've obviously had a few guys on the show but Chad Marshall comes along and you guys get Daniel roar then you get bread ovens then you start to get lenhart you get Robbie Rogers you guys put together a pretty damn good team. Franken things come together no eight. Let's talk about that massive year. My friend Oh man I mean that's I mean that's all Ziegler due to be honest. That's a coach getting guys. We'll have some about him where we'll have forgot to drop. And he brought in Hess Mer Dude. He brought in a lot of guys to be honest. I didn't even know at the time I didn't know I think will was a backup goalkeeper at that time for somewhere Danny Auroras Lane in New York. But he thosee and a mytalk. Who's Danny Guy? And so all of a sudden I get to see these guys know Mike. Oh my God it's put together put together. A bunch of fighters and a bunch of players fighters have stood and he's put together a bunch of captains. That was the main thing. Like a bunch of captains do that was. That was that team. I mean the year before. No seventy won't really talk about this but we saw at the end of the year. Ones ziggy broaden Guillermo Barros Golota. Off Forgot about him. All of a sudden the team started changing any brings in one hundred. Merino wool head coach. Before I mean I mean a forward I mean. He's on my eleven percent. I did this guy. He and key could create more thousand. Anyone could he eats. I mean he had a way of you. Know Ollie's big down there big and you know as he can start he could run and stop on a point and just have defenders as run into him. Now guarumos coming in a guy who says the free kick specialist and you have Chad Marshall guys six four that if there's anybody who can run in the box on a great run and had the ball hit his head and just having food edible on Dr that he knew Where where to be when to be his runs were unbelievable and was one of the most guys that you would ever talk to on the field off the field. The most you've ever met in on the field two but he you know then you have two quite guys Robbie Rogers and Eddie Gaven but he knew he wanted flake players that were endlessly tired and actually had skill going forward and can take people on And two guys that arguably quicker with the ball then without and you know you get a hold up guy in Ali and you had a guy a logo. That was coming through in that. Oh seven year. We won a bunch of last games and we barely missed the playoffs but as a group. I think we all knew a shit. We had something special here then. We got a hold of Gino. Padilla Aleph Bat. We went over to Everton. I think that that's preseason summer or maybe the summer before and we train a against Everton or I remember to practice game. There is a guy he played for. Whatever team Gino's over their plans for but he was out of contract and he came in played with us for one game in preseason and he had long hands. Argentinian frigging tackled like a beast with funny laughed and we all love the Guy. Right there and I was like man. I remember going please Ups IN CLEESE's get a hold of sky and we did and we got him guy who tore his hamstring in the I. I remember well the doors hamstring in the very first preseason doing a ninety like fifty yards sprint. Why is a goalkeeper doing ninety yards franch and the next year he was healthy and You know then you had two guys in Chad and Danny who really were like brothers with each other and now ziggy figured out. I can move dance as any play. Defensive Midfield us out while then he moved into center back and he had be seeing the middle. Who Be seen these justice. Frigging guy same thing fighter. You can never say anything about bad about these. Si was always in the right place. The right time doesn't matter if you lost the ball here and there you'll eat plant long. When he had to rent might might type of number six. Broke up. Plays Brad Evans who was a runner. So now you have. Three of three guys in the middle A two guys at Middle Horon Brad. Run Gavin run Rodney. Rogers can run. I could get forward like no other yet. Three guy even Gino. For that matter you can get up and down. But he made smarter runs in me. I just made stupid runs. He made the real leftback run so there was just such a perfect balance of of of everything That a team needed to be a successful team and not only that as much. Ziggy wanted to really in probably with that team We could have pressured impressed any team we wanted to. We did at times. Me and Chad like drop me. An Chad Marshall Drop. We didn't wind. We didn't want to have to you know. Have any little secret balls. It was GONNA make us split US and have US HAVE TO RUN FIFTEEN. Thirty forty yards. You know Chad doesn't like to run too much I did but I didn't like to run backwards at all. And when we got split and we're too high because of that and the ad didn't like I remember mejet hated let's drop drop zig sometimes wants to spread her as pressure for the first time in five minutes and you know going to start worrying about the game. After that as long as he sees pressuring for ten minutes then we dropped and that was a lot of conversations before the game actually actually in the huddle and I think for two years straight I said the same exact thing in the huddle and forget what it was. But I've ever Chad who's laughing going through. This guy says the same thing every so funny but it was because we weren't really superstitious. He didn't lose too much. We lost one game at home. That whole year and I think a lot of it was because of Chad. Honest he was. Joe Was a freak of nature. But frankly when you're scoring goals and MLS Cup Finals. Your runs aren't stupid. My friend. You know. How many times I had made that run Eric? My career it never got that ball and took a magician to get that ball and I've watched up over and over and over again in my mind and watching slow motion you can actually see me making the run before and Guillermo wants to play me the ball and I think it gets played back to him at a little late when he wants to play because he wants to play it through on the grounds me the through run and then I noticed. He doesn't have the ball yet. And I start running horizontally. Stay onside which you would never think defender would know that. And I still don't know how forwards fricken runoff side so much Gasoline because I think I should have been a four by whole career. My favorite player was Claudio Caniggia. So go figure look a picture of him and go look a picture of me and it won't see too many differences because that's what I grew up idolizing so I always thought I was a foe work fast I can get in behind and that run was a forward type run but the main play was him just being able to know that the ball stalled. I'm making now a whole different run than is gonNA go in behind that defender just straight and go into cross it. I realized that he's not going to get the ball but he's looking at and I would always just outside and he's looking at me and he sees them all. You're making a run. But then he doesn't see them making it diagonal but he's smart enough to go the only wear this place that this could be because he's going to be sides if he's growing forward still is up in the air over defender did for him to do that. And man you should watch it again in slow motion you you can see the whole thing after you have to watch it a few times because people see. How did he see you? He's looking at me and I'm already running before the balls even at his feet when Eddie or whoever has it. I think it's Eddie. Gaven her too. I mean he's already going. Oh my God. He wanted to play that ball before. And then it comes late and I mean he had seen him again hold or Zonta for him to play that like that in that position where it was dude. I mean that yeah. That's that's the number ten past isn't it? Thank you mean it just stupid. Unbelievably gifted talent unbelievably gifted man Gear was a cool student. Ever Matt didn't harm a soul on got mad when he needed to be but I never saw him really angry that much now he was happy sold to be around a he spoke at his best he could when we would have little team bats or something. He want everyone 'cause he studied. You've studied stuff. We did a fantasy football team in one year via the sticky knew about football james how to look at a book ease or how to look however. We didn't have any pets like that. It was just a winner. Got Dinner or something. He won every single time and it was like I remember. Just going this guys. You know he's up. Here is something different and with his feet. It was obviously something different as well. So when you have that end your feet and there's only a handful of players in the world that have all that. Yeah one of the best that I can say that I've played with ever along. Backup guy you know so. These are some Arab Berto was was right there with them so he was a magician. Dude obviously huge team. What was the so you guys win that you guys been that? Shamsher Frankie I I would imagine. Frankly celebrated in in a Frankie Frankie way right off my God dude. You don't even know. That party went on in Columbus for three weeks. We took the cup around everywhere every bar that were like. Sodas love does Barley downtown. We took the everywhere we drank it. Everywhere I even have a picture of you know. Nesta a wasn't drinking but he's eight years old fedotowsky just told him not to drink. I said you allow you know Did that moment for those three weeks. Recyc- any moment that you would think of like when you know the the cubs win the world series or the Patriots when we went on a title. Do we partied like that in our minds at least three weeks and Frankie Cardi apart party you go ahead go ahead no party party a place like Columbus though it like I could do if I can do it for fucking restaurant if you don't get you. Don't get in trouble. There's assist you WanNa be with you. And they liked that. You're hanging out with them and the your your normal for once you lose all sense of your this professional athlete. Because they don't really they don't feel that way about your like a normal love. You like a professional athlete. And when you make a mistake they feel for you hate you. Only maybe one percent that will say some crap but here in Columbus. When when you make mistake they feel your pain as well And they make you feel good Dun Dun maybe some. Maybe a scored a goal. Like I used to do all the time but you know they would make your good after. I did that end how good I felt when I was so rated with a cuff with him. I'm saying just to bring that cup down. The elevator of the airport man. It was like no other feeling the world in you know in my mind. One hundred thousand fans there. I remember seeing his. But you know it's funny like a hundred but how loud they were felt like one hundred thousand amount of love they showed was gromoslaw outdid. Be Honest I'm still here and that's why a lot of it and people always say how do you go about San Diego. Yeah I love San Diego's big part of my heart but man. This place is right and and It's a special place. I live in special places. Love that before we go onto the ratifying. Wrap this up frank. I remember one vague story about a radio show and I'm checking on you in the morning and We can we want but unless engine your wife so there's a good story right story a whole different if you saw story section review. So we'll have you on again. We'll have you on again in the podcast. Though so I could get a little bit weird burssels. No if there's no batteries on Bars Frankie. Ellison story and then we'll go to ratify forgetful added. Who so you know. We'd have this. I lived literally down in the brewery district. 'cause I wanNA live white right downtown Thicker change and we add a radio station that was. Cd One or two One at a time now cd one or two point five but I live literally directly across the street from it and we had a couple of million calmer tino would always go on the show and promote the games or you some then all eventually they Martinez a character. You know so we go in. And I'm what I am. And all of a sudden it went from like just five minute promote the crew sessions guys on for fifteen minutes and then all of a sudden it becomes a half hour hour and I remember. We just came up with this show. 'cause at one point. I forget out after but you know they're Kinda does who's in Frankie's bed to sleep in Frankie's bed tonight and they would call me Is there anyone in your room before I walk over to the missile when I was single before I'd walk over literally could not even walk over? Jump out the window of my My condo on ground floor and literally walk across the street to their thing And so became as A. Is there anybody in his bed and this was like there was no holds? Barred BAFFLING EMMA. Lessons are starting in the eighties in basketball or people kind of dinner thing and Larry's did it and I remember the crew not even being upset about you know who sleeping. He's back like this. This show is show now and so if you called in and if a girl was in Frankie's bed you say yes or no. And if it's if she was if there was a girl you one crew tickets for the game and A lot of the Times. The girls didn't WanNa talk. No no no. But on this one instance I had this girl. They're to their for the full weekend at Instincts. Pretty cool man on girl And Shuji only girl that would get that God on on God Brian Phillips. And we still talk about it to this day. He still hosted. Cd One or two five. And he's like man that was just the most wild time. I can't believe that way with that back in the day and I can't believe that were those girls was actually an wife so You know one time. Brian comes over and he literally sometimes come over with the phone. Knock on my window the window. Yes all my blinds open and they would either be a leg. You know. You'd see an extra leg. Wouldn't that's how they would know? There was someone in there. I'm just thought well. In this instance Aaron Sleek End Game over on Monday and you know. Jus they're like you're talking about your thoughts and she's like my wife got on illiberal to get on. Say Up on names Eliza and I was like I love this girl right there like a Bra right there. She's not afraid of me saying to me she's like love and that she's with me So right then that was it for me and We didn't really leave each other side to this that day. So I can honestly say. Cd One or two five. Brian Phillips probably saved my life in a way because my wife say my life. It's changed my life in the most beautiful web or kids now and it all started because of a radio station. Is anyone with Frankie for tickets. That's amazing I also. I also had the headaches as landlords and your wife and I know your wife and a first level but your wife awesome. Did she got Thanksgiving? You know they're seriously I don't know how she puts up with their earlier. Auditions any of our girls are the same your soccer. Did you normally up early mornings on Saturday or Sunday drinking beer at the pub life to really you know except that you've got to have a golden one in soccer. Wives are unbelievably awesome. Yup they deserve a deserve all credit for sure so that was fun. Let's do some rapid fire here. You want me to start go for us. So we're going to go back and forth. Frankie nothing nothing crazy but we're GONNA ask you some questions so oh my God well the easiest one is going to be coached. I mean like I don't want to do that because he knows we have some great stories but I did what I figured out that. He was going to be a coach. When I knew that this guy has a different level and I get were were. It might have been in Morocco. Excuse me we play Morocco Morocco. Forget were but we're after game. We either one laws. We're on our hotel rooms and everyone's doing it ain't having a couple of days you know playing some. Yahtzee playing some cards. Plants do stews dude wherever we do hearts and he would always plan. I remember one time he wasn't planned. I don't know if it's a game or the he thought he'd made a mistake or if it was just doing it is. He was his drawing triangles all around and have different positions different DOTS. I remember just going up natural. What the hell you doing is like remember that one throw in like like. I think we should have been more like triangles in different places and I was like go did game and he was already coach at that point in. I remember the next day. Thank him. A kid genius. You'd be a a big time coach and I knew it because everyone else was hanging out and do and what we do as players and he was already. He was still player at that time. And we're still fairly young and his mind was already working on the game working on soccer and and I don't even know if he thought I only had a couple of years laughed and I I think it was young. We were younger. We did this so But that's when I knew he's going to be healy as now. I don't even who he is now is awesome. But you're going to see bigger things from from him And I've I've said this from day one about Greg is one of my best friends we were. We were roommates. Seventeen years in the national team so an exact opposite people seriously. The real serious I mean. Listen I mean you know. Guard is a great talk. Anybody knows and you heard me. You would never say those. Two guys were roommates but man. You don't know how many times at this guy back me up when we were late for meetings and his pet peeve is not being late for meetings and he would he would stick it out for me when I was I man. This guy is and I knew that he wanted to be early and but it and I never wanted to be late but I just always was. You know it's just worked out. Did He He had my back for you. Know forever and Yeah he's he's rat duties. Rods is going to be insane coach. Don't we felt a lot of guys on our show using insane? Fire this guy. I don't know if you've had him on. Did talk about some games with Dan Beard. This guy bladed later. The Best of the best. I mean this guy was that's why I liked him. He was a thug in. I've heard so many stories appeal. He was the biggest son of a bitch. Frankie I'll be did that's why I love the I was two and only in training. Yeah House saying to you by ADT also training. You Know He. He was still like you know he was cool personality. But you don't remember that as much you just remember him hitting you and being pissed at trading in You know you saw Michael Jordan in the lines and what. He was pressuring and yelling at his teammates during training. Because they were given it as did hours is close to the Greg ads. You can get it actually made me think about about him right there. That's how he and I'd say that's that's I was definitely for sure. Yeah we had a lot of guys on our show and everyone talks about. I mean guys have played for Greg obviously and XS and os man. It doesn't get better than Greg and I agree. I think we're obviously excited about where the future of our national team is the guy I mean. The team couldn't be in better. Hands the bottom line so sam circuit all right so now now we're GONNA go There's GonNa be a quicker one real quick hitter for for basically Rohrschack test. I'M GONNA throw former teammates at you and basically focusing on the two thousand two World Cup team by the way And you give me the first word that comes to mind with each player you're ready. We'll start with landon. God gave all at one Baller yeah that's a good one okay. Brian McBride fighters. You're putting a ton of thought and I love it. I love this all right Damarcus Beasley perfect wing except that Clint Mathis side Clinton sick Yeah we had in mind with with McGee earlier. I think. Michael's scored stupid people forget home. He's he's one of the most forgotten magical magical as Raina imposed I was Gonna ask you BERHALTER. But you just said Duggan hacks maybe we'll just go with those and cerebral you. Probably don't say hacks. They thought hacking battery did I do. I wasn't a hat because he. He prided himself on being skillful. He really did. Sheila Guilford depend I've ever played with. Okay okay Eddie Pope Com Brad. Friedel what was that okay? Saved every ball hit them. Yeah okay last one. Bruce Arena mindful. Are you going to godfather or something? Mindful needed mindful man. He just knew he knew what like every player. He knew what he needed to get out of each individual player. You know like he knew that. Okay Razor sometimes as might be hung over here and there but I know he's GonNa give me everything he's got. Okay Greg's give me this. He knew every slayers mentality. So I guess that's mindful right now. I think that works. I'm on my answer. I I mean you gave good answers. Frankie should switch what was clients. And Landon was magical. Landon was baller. I think Clinton baller landings magical but I'm okay without original those make sense but you know the more than me so nobody you know what I mean because Clint Clint. Clint was like look. I did Bali ballers tricks and jumping doing the bunny hop. Maybe that's magical to figured out I think was from because I would think each could baller. I would think clint would want baller more. Because he's like you know. I mean he's a tough guy to us. I was GONNA say tough but he was more than tufty in. That's I I would explain me as being tough like at skills and that's why I'm trying to think of a word that you know. I think that was good. Okay you guys you guys keep it whenever you want your magical as perfect. It's all I got. That's all I got ready to wrap it up and can't think Frankie enough thanks man. That's been her ad guys accident. We'll get you back on for the X. Rated show next next time when everyone hear the real stories dude we go around and this on those stories did you could write a book on you. Can you can call US books? Borough and it'll be a best seller donor. It'd be I know I know that's why we had to get you on man. Thanks for taking the time. I know we went Lo- longer but It was worth it man. You're like I got absolutely nothing better to catch. Dinosaurs comes to catch a monster. Right now did little right now. So it's perfect. The steam pristine conditions. Did or cab. Four nobody nobody fishes out when it's raining. You know who this is. When it's raining I put in the work. The best time to fish is when everyone else is not doing it perfect. Well thanks for everything to Your Beers Beers Frankie sir.

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Survivor All-Time Top 40 Rankings | #30: Caramoan

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Survivor All-Time Top 40 Rankings | #30: Caramoan

"Everybody what's going on. Rob sister dino back here and talk with you about another one of our top forty all time survivor seasons and tonight we'll be talking about the thirtieth best season of all time as voted by the fans of rob has a podcast talking about survivor. Carimo in the twenty sixth season of survivor and boy. Do we have such a treat for you tonight on our panel. I'm so excited. I'm chuffed to bits even to welcome in our panel of i. You know her from her work on the challenge. Coast co host of the new girl. Old guy podcast. Please welcome in the great alley lash alley how are you. I don't know what just happened there. I was distracted. By the fact that i think getting top billing is less satisfying. Because you only did it. Because i'd say something if you didn't but nonetheless i'm excited to be here with both of you. I don't get to do this with both of you that often. So it's it's exciting to talk to you guys. This is like the helicopter has landed. And now here come the favorites pouring out last year. You know her from her past work on the challenge up New girl old guy now also another another person. You may know from a robin akiva need podcasts. Here is akiva winokur. First of all. I think of us more as the three amigos than off the plane. Yes in your dreams. Would you be at the bar with us. Akiva you think or would you know. Refer me no masculine. Tom foolery for me all right here. We are to talk about the the thirtieth best season of survivor. And so i was thinking this a kiva that This season is your favourite right. That's why you're kief twenty-six on twitter. Oh that's pretty good. No i honestly the reason. I asked to do this season in particular. It's not my favorite season of all time. It's the first season that i found. Roberts podcast i think of the probably on the night or the week of the premier. That's where i found your podcast started listening to rhp. What was it in particular. you like. I love these returning players. Finally branded hanson's back and i got to Keep up with a podcast to talk about this. Why didn't watch twenty one to twenty five. I some of those seasons live and and then one day like a week before twenty six. I was like ooh missed philippines. Senate watched it okay. And i was very the podcast and google. Then i'm like. Oh i know i know that guy all right what about you. Why did you want to talk about carry on so. I don't know when the like call for request came out. But i was like not having it. I don't know i was like overwhelmed with life. An akiva just hit me up and was like oh. Do you want to do together. I was like okay great. Pick whatever you want. I've seen every show up any season. And he comes back and he was like all right. We're doing and i'm like i'm two bits. I'm like oh hell. Yeah i can't believe. Rob would let me talk about such good season and i have receipts. I have a text message that i sent to someone here bragging about it. I keep an eye on doing mowing beat out to you. Print it out of print it out. And then i said that'll be all time and goes cochran and i go expletive wait. I thought it was on. So but then i thought about it and i was like you know what this is actually agreed season to talk about and i started doing my research like a week ago for the season i realized that much like akiva i have a lot of other random personal connections that february nineteenth two thousand thirteen also tweet printed. That's when i. I texted rob at rochester. Nino how does a former rtbf three third year which is maxed austin's class become an rj intern. And then the first time. I ever used the hashtag rha. Jp and a survivor tweet was during care. Moen i wrote a preview for the season with max dawson that almost got me kicked off of the newspapers still available on his blog story for another day. I don't want. I wanna keep this tight. I don't wanna go to tangent. But that's an interesting story about all ruining my life and then you wouldn't believe this. I need a survivor. Guide for this season in two thousand thirteen compiled by survivors psycho alley lascher. There's this is the real one. And i wrote very unhelpful blurbs. About the returners for somebody who's gonna watch the season for the first time. And you give us a blurb. Sure my my personal favorite is for malcolm. He had seen the season before. So i have a full page on malcolm. Everyone else gets a small picture and it just says damn and then keep in mind. No one knows him. However this is a tribe of goofy failures so people might assume. He asked up on his season. Two sitting back gives you a general overview of how i fell about almost everyone coming in on the favorites tribe. Yeah that was very helpful. And allie already brought so much evidence already to offers access to a color printer. That's what i want to know. Also if. I may helpful question this season where i've met the most survivors and normally i don't take like photos with people But i do. I do have a photo of my sound okay. So this is the podcast. This is deal. Allie has what would you say. A a twenty four by thirty six color was people went with you the last time these are people that stay because this is like a poster sized picture of alessio cochran. Well i was worried that i the computer was falling off the table. Because of the slow. Reveal the rotation and here it is. Well nobody's ever done this before. I've did this with a photo of you before it was it was Letter sized paper. Nobody's was eighteen by twenty four. Okay unkindness further away. That impressed finger. Yes keeping staples and business. They must've pumped fish when she walked in. And you know. I have room to make it bigger. People who want to outdo me later with more pictures like shack said bed on cribs anyone. Now it's great photo cochran picture. Is that posts. Caramel or a pre-care boeing. So it's interesting also who's brave enough to stand next to a photo of themselves from ten years ago the whole pack. I will be switching back on the station. But i know so this was also in this was in two thousand twelve so i believe he had filmed cara moen but it hadn't aired or walk so yeah this is where he told me not go to law school. Luckily i did not listen But he made good choices. Yes and at this point One of you is a lawyer. I think he's i would be curious. I guess as of the reunion yes. Only one of us i believe. In currently he's writing for the lower deck's trek animated series with fellow survivor alumni. David wright i believe i have a like a more recent but as of what i see on survivor finales That's been the latest reported linked in resume. Update for cochran are currently. He's reading a tweet that we get tagged in that then results in like so many likes because he's talked about it at the mute tweet for the first time ever. He's still very popular. Sure sure certainly that. Of course the. Bring it full circle to the finale when he got to plug his twitter and a lot. A lot to unpack here with survivor. And so let's get into this. Because i think that this was again another interesting season to do the rewatch of and of course that you know not breaking new ground here. This is a very uneven season of survivor that it is a total dumpster. Fire in the pre merge especially pre swap of it. I think that the premier is actually very solid but the next four episodes are some of the bleakest episodes that survivor has ever put out. It is a long stretch. That is very very dark. Even post swap it a little bit better but not much but then you get to a real stretch post merge from the caribbean vote at the merge all the way through the family visit very interesting exciting stuff and depending on your mileage may vary on how much you love cochran but i it is a great stuff all the way through in the post merge finale with a wild foul trouble council in reunion passover. Yeah i think that. Really when i when i ranked that i probably had about twenty rob but i do think other than the other than the premier. It's one of the worst pre merges right. Is it the worst pre-match we could talk about that. But it's it's definitely the worst. I in my opinions finale in the history of the show With one decent moment there's duties and moments every time. I told them we were doing it. They mentioned the dog bar. And then don't brenda's teeth and that's not necessarily good. Yeah and obviously. The union is by not just the worst survivor reunion. But one of the worst pieces of television in history of the media. Why is so bad media. I'll push back about the finale in the end the reunion special. Because i think that while. The finale is boring. I think that the final travel council. There's a lot going on. There's a lot to chew on no pun intended and the reunion show. I think the worst reunion shows are some of the ones from the last. I think they no reunion. Show like a sixteen minute reunion. Show where four men and two spent on. Tko is actually worse than a thirty three minute reunion show. That's totally bizarre and off the wall. I guess that's fair. I mean anything. Jeff wanted in reunion. Show just wasn't going to happen. There was i was on twitter. Back in the day in in What does this may twenty thirteen. look you when when. When is the finale happening. Yeah and if you remember i think corinne tweets like hey we're not going to be in We're not going to be in the i in the we're not going to be on stage. We're in the audience And i remember being such a big deal that day. I'm sure you remember to short. Like twitter was blowing up but when you watch it it. It's not even acknowledged. Like i forgot that they even existed like they never acknowledged that there in the audience. It's just the jury onstage so there was going on there and again. I don't know the full story may be might No more more than i do about All of this. But i feel like that it was. The issue was branded. Hanson was not invited. I think that they were concerned about what chamara was going to say at the finale and they tried to say like oh. There just wasn't enough room on the stage yet every other survivor. Finale has been like every even numbered seasons survivor. Finale has been in that same studio and they've never had another issue with getting the jurors on the stage. Yeah at one point. I knew the story. Because i think korean his openly talked about. But i completely forgot. And if i don't have it written in my notes in front of me. I don't know it but No i also. Part of the story was like. They didn't want to draw attention to the fact that brandon wasn't there but again venus wasn't there and they you know there was a point where they didn't care anymore but for at that point in time it was odd to not have a member of the cast to be like now like this for now right. I think the first time in the first time to this point that they have. I mean there's been other times in the thirties. Where not the full cast is there. Oh really like the whole all pre emerged. Although for korean rate she gets on the stage but people have been missing some people. Okay right but but that's different than like people being there and being in the audience does several. Yeah but corinne gets such a raw deal here right because she makes the merge but doesn't make the jury and then she makes them urge but doesn't make the stage she does get a nice headshot cut to camera off don mention at the reunion but otherwise i think i'd be pissed too honestly if i were any of them the. Why didn't luther should've wanted korean on the jury. It was a very strange position. Honestly yeah. I don't know why they didn't cut it off like i understand like all right. We're eight person. Jury could've said all right. Well korean you made the merge could be on the stage at the very least. I don't even understand the jury site. I mean certainly now after an injury right the limit does not exist but right right i just think they didn't want to call more attention to brandon hands not being there but i guess it was a lot of like i think russell was threatening to like br like to come into the skies that day. If i remember there was a lot of craziness there was a lot of stuff and kiva was so tapped in on the social media which is definitely like an interesting part of the conversation around survivor karen mohan because that i think that this is like the most like social media like plugged in season of the show. I feel like there was where it's interesting. There's so much talk about like what the fans are saying on twitter and cochrane's plugging his twitter. Don turn off her twitter. There are tweets nonstop through the entire reunion. Show they're putting hashtags up on the screen. This was at the height of jeff interactive living room and jeff. Even comments about like. Hey that's the thing about television now. It used to be. You'd yellow your tv now. What you do is you go on twitter and you tell the person that you don't like what do you think about them. My first tweet. From april third twenty thirteen where i mentioned rha about course. Yes i wonder if philip gets a bonus from cbs. Every time he mentioned boston. Rob i mean that creative genius right there. I should be working on. Star trek incredible. What a one of a thought that i had in april. Twenty three yeah. It was plugged in season. And so let's talk about the the first half. Because i think it is interesting to go back and take a look at because you have these dueling stories of sort of like book ends on both tribes of the so much of the pre merge deals where the problems dealing with brandon hands who seems off balance at the at the very least a very valid questions about. Why is he even there. And then you also have the issues that are going through and his tribe of feeling very unhappy with how sh- amar's acting and vice versa shomar being very unhappy with the way that he's being treated by his tribe and we spent so much time on these two issues in both camps and both end up in a nontraditional exits from the show shimmer. And i actually thought chamara who quit in my head and it was actually a medical evacuation for shomar for an issue with his eye and then brandon get sort of the impromptu. Vote out at the end of the challenge in episode five. Also in my rewatch. That i i was like Three episodes in. I'm like all right. We're gonna get the brand hands like oh wait. There's a whole other episode. Before we even get to that miskelly the episodes. Yeah i think. I agree with you and i actually recommend that. Someone's watching this season. And i was honestly and i don't normally say this guy feel like every since a survivor to me is a good season. I don't remember feeling like this was a particular slog for me watching it then but i you can jump to the merge or even like the episode before the merge and miss nothing just because it's rare to me. I think that a season of survivor has all of the air sucked out of the room and all the energy sucked out of each episode by two people where ultimately it goes nowhere right. it's inconsequential to the game. What happens with brandon. What happens which mar. I think this is more interesting to discuss. Because it's like it's hard to talk about. I mean we'll talk about the brain that thing. But it's it's harder to address the brandon thing because it is the why was even there whereas the chamara issue as more of like what happens survivor. People from different walks of life who haven't experienced different types of people like butt heads and struggle the elements and that to me. There are interesting things at play there whereas the brandon stuff is just like the fact that they even had to go and forfeit a challenge. And he doesn't get pulled from the game for threatening to burn down the shelter. I mean that to me wouldn't happen on four thirty one. where are we forty. Forty one the next. The next season of survivor. Yeah like forget him even getting cast like he's getting pulled from the game for threatening his tribe in a very serious way like i believe. Fill up when. I sympathize with brandon to the extent that he's clearly gonna walk going on but also be. Philip is annoying. Philip is is staying rude things to him fill is like. Don't bite the hand that feeds but brandon not having an equal reaction to the to the stimulus on the drive so this season just as i was going through it again like i think it is unique in that it really to me is like an examination of like the the mental health toll that both playing survivor and having played survivor can take on people. I mean we have a number of contestants in this season that suffer some form of a mental health crisis over. The course of the season and philip is not even on that list fill. Up is remarkably stable throughout the entire season. But you have shomar all the issues that he goes through You have brandon and the issues that he goes through and then in the post merge game john is having a number of like a complete and total breakdowns and she talks about that a lot. And even eric back towards the end of this game and i. I don't know i that has to do with like the conditions in terms of its seem like that. I don't remember this at the time. This was a season that did not have a lot of food and that can really like do a number on people like i don't remember that much talk of like being starving on some of the other seasons around this europe for whatever reason it seems like that a lot of people are really going through it. The weather is also a factor in the first part of the season but a number of cadets unusual number of contestants are having real like mental health problems on this season you could almost. I wouldn't say. I would add to the list of mental health problems but brenda's clearly going through something to as you know sort of evidence by the no post exit interview is that like she's basically sitting on a rock by yourself those. We really don't see brenda. Who six place on the season. Interact with another person the entire season. Yeah i mean. Like is brenda in. Shot with eddie reynolds. Who makes the final nine with you. Know so i don't think so. I think that doesn't speak until i got ten. Yeah it's wild. She has like one moment where she pops that. She's like cheering during the reward. Challenge after the swap. But that's it for brenda. And i think what i had heard the stories that she like a romantic relationship boyfriend or i'm not sure if it was a fiancee yet at the time and she was like very homesick during this time. But i think it's also very illuminating. When her dad comes and she can't wait to tell her dad that she learned that the whole season she remembered the lesson that he told her be humble. And i just watch brenda in nicaragua. A couple of weeks ago in this rewatch. She is a completely different person. And i think that the while dad helped her game. I think dad killed brenda the tv character. Because brenda the tv character was talking about. Oh this is let me tell you what's wrong with chase. What's wrong with With sash and she would like go off on people in the confessionals and that was oh brenda. She's such good tv. But i think that she's humble. Brenda was boring wall. So this is jumping ahead. But how does she lose to malcolm for fan. Favorite of the season is that just off the goodwill or the the hotness or the take down that was recent people's i don't understand it. I obviously didn't remember who came in second place in the sprint. You lose how did she get so close. I'm sorry no you lose to buy one almost one. I can tell you what that is is that it's like if you go back and look at these fan favorites a lot of times. It's the person who got voted out right before the episode like in nicaragua. Jane ends up winning it. Where if you get voted out like on the wednesday before the sunday finale like you're very fresh in people's memories and especially when you get burned hard like a lot of people like i feel so bad for this person let me call in and cast my vote for them a good episode for her. This is sort of random but speaking of memorable one thing that struck me watching the first half the season is how memorable every single person on the season is to me. Like i remembered everyone except for laura who looks very much like hannah g from the bachelor but gene for hilly strong and healthy strong only but but except for laura who four episodes and. I couldn't remember who she was even race car driver. Julia i remember because she was like so nondescript and nobody remembered her. That was almost a joke. But all of these favorites. I mean these early boots. Obviously i was shocked. How early alley. Hope go to me. i told you. Hope reynold allie. And eddie as a foursome. Were just so memorable from this season. Yeah they don't have like a single could you. Could you tell me attribute that rally or or even laura who. I remembered sort of people really liking at the time but it gets very little airtime can tell you that is not the cutest one according to reynolds and hope had the very good line saying i would like to do this without any literally. Edit any literally says after hope gets voted out but they voted her out because she was attractive like he earnestly thinks well. Let's let's drill in on the fans tribe here because we have everything going on with shimmer before shomar really becomes an issue. We have the issue of that eddie and reynold that they anoint themselves as they referred to themselves as being at the cool kids table typically alley on a reality tv show. You hear like the people that are outside of the group. Say like oh. That's the cool kids table. This is i think the first time in reality show history. I think you hear people identified themselves as where the cool kids table see. I tend to watch a lot of reality television where people identify themselves. It's not at the level that you're living in rob. It's much more beneath you. Never been into the cool kids. I don't know what it's like. No no but just the show. Is that would where that would be celebrated. But you know i mean. Is this the dumbest alliance in reality tv history. I mean what's the like two and two one is five like with people when that's the minority like what was their plan. Just like were the new hotness and we'll be well enough liked that they couldn't possibly get rid of this brute strength and the drive. I mean ronald shows himself later and it'd be like a semi strategic or at least passable thinker that he wouldn't think this is a good idea. I was just so frustrating and hilarious. I love that the the nerds take them down. Yeah akiva it is interesting that the way this plays out for the fans drive is and i think that eddie and reynold feel like okay. Well where the athletic guys on the team. We're sort of like the center of everything. They need us to win the challenges. They wouldn't dare go against us where we're controlling things. Because typically in survivor you end up seeing those types of players being people who run things because they are needed for their challenge strength in this case of this fans tribe. It ends up breaking very early because the outsiders say all right i guess we'll put up with eddie and reynold but we will vote out the quote unquote girlfriends of eddie and reynolds and keep them against their will. Yeah i think eddie. Reynolds ahead never watched an episode of the show. Probably so they just assumed it was all based on challenge which they partially right about. They did both not voted out because of their challenge. Prowess and eddie does literally coming forth But yeah i they they you know there's a reason why it's funny because people rooted for eddie and reynold like they were very popular even though you know. They were both in particular unbelievably bad at the game. But it it. It's really crazy that wh- also like imagine being the producers and like the more interesting people ultimately make themselves into minority alliance should have swapped after one episode. Because if you look at the six honestly the the main theme for me if it's like what went wrong. With the season the casting on the season on both tribes is just so abysmal. Right julia landauer like someone had to get fired for that right. Not being me and like. I'm sure she's a lovely person. We'll hear the judge that akiva being honest but like it's she was more boring than i remembered like every she like. Sucks the fun out of the screen. When she talks. I i think that's a little bit of celta. Vanilla call is the same gonna blow your mind. I think that they like. They like the casualties here. Not like they like the casting so much. I believe alley went to go work in not alley last year alley. Povich went to work and survivor casting. Why don't have the elliott. We didn't julia the alley. Replace the person they fired. And honestly like i like michael snow. He doesn't say a single thing that's interesting the entire time he's there and matt bischoff they're casting baseline like the they're casting based on on like an archetype like oh there's this guy with this crazy beard mesh also like i'm sure he's interesting guy in real life brings zero to the table the whole season that there's really and also it's shimon non an and nine white people You know something that would not happen in you know in twenty twenty one but there's just so many miss and this is this is maybe the better try and there's takes on on the will they get off the plane and again. Most these people have not watched the show. There is such tepid reactions rob. Yeah like when. They're bring back brenda like they can't even fake the audio like there's no other than cochran and up like they don't even get reactions to the to the ten people like yeah. You don't remember how mad people were at the time about who they picked but they made such terrible choices. And i found at the time. I offer tribe of goofy loser fans so so it is interesting because i think that does highlight where the dark ages of survivor we talk about is oh twenty one twenty four that sort of like. It's all recruit smackers. That's really the the dog days of survivor casting philippines. I think gets a pass. Because we bring in malcolm and denise and and you know we've fond memories of abby maria and you got jeff canton lisa. Well chill in there to sort of like a round out that cast you bring in a couple of attorneys. So i think that philippines gets through. But there's a couple of duds in philippines. Cast that got through in there and then you had this cast of new players and yeah i feel like that. There are definitely more misses than hits when it comes to the casting. And then we're going to have a season after this that's going to be all returning players and their and their loved ones and then we really get hot with kagi john on out but yeah. This is probably a symptom of the bigger problem. Going on in casting. At this point i agree with that obviously but i also want to highlight just the theme of the season right. A fans versus favorite season is going to be such a huge like thing for the fans tribe to have to overcome like. It's not a shock to me that they get decimated early on as far as snowy. Not saying anything interesting. I love. I like didn't realize how much on the re-watch i would love snowy and also the favorites make so many fans make so many stupid mistakes. Like i'm jumping ahead to the swap but mapping a trust me. I don't have an idol right like maybe wouldn't be as consequential on just an all new be season and a favourite would never do that kind of thing shomar of it all that. That's an interesting interaction that we should talk about. I don't think that happens or looks as agreed. just as compared to the fairbridge trump. I think you bring up an interesting point here. Sort of like big picture of fans versus favorites Did survivor catch lightning in a bottle with fans versus favorites one and was this a flawed concept to have because kiva in the original fans versus favorites. Just props describes it as that. Hey like you could be a fan of the boston red sox but now you get to play against the boston red sox which is an insane idea of these are professional baseball players. How could me and my friends beat them in a game. Yeah they don't they. Don't play up that angle so much and maybe we're over analyzing it and pink hats years later still talking about only eight and we're overanalyze again. Read but like maybe it. There's there there as the washington generals there is cannon fodder to lose to the favorites. Because if you had told jeff before the season that cochran is going to win and and sort of gave him the boot list you would probably say oh this season and jeff comes back after it says like the next season is way better right. Twenty six is going to blow twenty-five out of the water. Jeff famously has no idea what the reaction's going to be ever. But he thought twenty six was going to be a home run like this is his ideal. Scenario concert wins. He was ready to walk away from the show after this was also them. The jeff probst talk show was going to start. Well that's exactly. Honestly the jeff probst talk. Show looms larger this whole season to me. Nakas in the brandon massage. Generally right like this is what. Jeff loves to see survivor. This is getting off the couch and getting across the beam. This is cochran. Who i wrote in my notes about cochran is that they play up that. He's a huge learner loser but really he's just a normal guy. He's portrayed as a socially awkward nerd. He's a harvard law student but in real life. He's a pretty normal guy. And i feel like jeff browbeat us with like cochran. How did you even talk to another human. Could you anyone even look at you. you're disgusting. No you're next to a girl. Yeah it's it's like very jeff. Probst pre jeff probe show. Yeah that you really get that in the finale that he's like Like if cochran do it anybody could do it. Where you really like playing up cochran. It's like the avatar any survivor. Viewer could win the show because cochran has won the show. Which i think is a disservice to cochran. Said the same thing about sirri last week in the game. Changers finale where he's basically saying the same thing about like surrey. She was just a person who watching. Tv now look at her. She's a four-time so i was like. No sirri is an amazing survivor player. Cochran is a pretty brilliant guy. He studied the show. He wasn't just any guy. If you want to know what any guy could do. Go look at who put on the fan. Strive that's what happens when you find any random person with them on the show. He drew land our theory but to go back to the fans versus favourite concepts. Right like i talk about a show. Where every season is fans vs favorites on the challenge. They always bring people but they have a benefit of having at least been on his show before there used to cameras and now they're mixed on the challenge and honestly it's like the casting has to be exactly right. I don't think they could never do another fans versus favorites successfully but to keep us point like the casting of the fans drive just doesn't hold up to the demands of not even that the favorites are so great but like they have experienced korean. Used to talk a lot about on your second season. You come back and you insist on what you're gonna wear your not afraid of production you have some more leverage. I want my photo look like this. I'm gonna like you shoulda fans get out of the favorites. Get out of the helicopter. They've got scarves and jackets like they're much smarter about what their wardrobe is going to be. Then the fans would be. I mean they do verse favorites literally the next season essentially and it's another bloodbath is the only in the three seasons where it's ten ten new versus old shares. The only person that right to make a to make the final tribal in three seasons at a out of eight only. She's there akiva gina. why she's like they. Were trying to figure out break you. I think you're probably right in terms of. I think that they do want that. Washington generals effect because when you go back to the original fans versus favorites. It's like oh what are the things that are great about it. It's like oh like everybody tricking jason. Getting him getting voted out with with an idol. Then of course. They played the erik reichenbach clip. So i think that they're like okay. Well let's bring in a bunch of rubes and then our survivor vets could be pulling off like crazy. Dunks on them. While they're sort of like standing around hapless like what happened. yeah. I think that listen they you know the goal was for cochran to win. But this thing is set up like so easily for Carbon much like the next season is set up for tyson or maybe ours to win. Like there's it's it's almost too easy like there's no scenario if they play up the season one hundred times. I don't think there's a scenario. Where like matt bischoff or or laura. Alexander wins the season there would have been very tough for one of the fans ultimately Win this thing I think that's one of the issues with the rewatch in the show does not even like build up a viable alternative. And i think that's one of the things that hurts it on at least in terms of a rewatching i think in the i watch alley. I think it was like was novel of ken. Cockren do this. We saw what happened with cochran and south pacific and i think that there was a lot of intrigue there but in terms of like watching it a second time that the they don't build up anybody else that could potentially win not from a fan's perspective but i do think i think this is. Why besides the hair and that he can do everything the reason that malcolm ends up being sprint fisher. Okay no but i. i think you're right from a fan's perspective i agree. There's no real resistance. It's all led by malcolm. And then i'll come goes. You don't have any faith reynolds and eddie at all to be able to figure it out and even getting to the four. I mean. there's not one moment where. I thought he was going to possibly win this season. And i don't know if that's the edit or that. I knew he wasn't going to win. But i don't even think back then. I thought he was doing see for malcolm. He gets the final nine malcolm because he doesn't even sniff this thing after he has a couple of great moments in the first half of the merge. Let's let's go back to that Fans tribe and talk a little bit more about what's going on. Because i think that the plight of shomar is interesting and i think that under the reexamination that i think that the show does a bad job with shomar well and again. That's the beauty of sort of like being able to go back and look at these things like all these years later they really bury shown in the show and i think chamara was going through a lot of stuff out there that he's a marine. He's also one of the biggest people that have ever been on the show. Right rub. i would think so. Cliff robinson spoiler but. I don't know if he if he weighed more. Yeah i mean it had. He is just a huge guy. Who and then he talks about in the episodes that he's been through a lot. He is a marine who. I'm not sure if he exactly said if he called it. Ptsd in the shows how we it was dealing with a lot of anger issues. When he was out there they do not seem to have a ton of substance out there to sort of like a key. Pin going and the tribe has a lot of issues with shomar and a constantly are calling him lazy. Which of course is a very loaded term to be calling you. Know the one black contestant on the tribe and they refer to it constantly and he's dealing he's dealing with a lot and also he he says in the show that he describes you know i am. I don't wanna be the angry black man but like there are a lot of things that The he's getting with with the way he's being received by the tribe it is. It's interesting because we see very few confessionals from we have like a couple unusual. He's talking but it's it's sort of with other people. I don't know if he was just i i also you know it seems like he is doing so poorly physically and part of that is being a three hundred pound person on season. Where even the people one hundred twenty pounds or basically withering away. That's maybe the number one factor is like he even says right before he ultimately has to leave the game like i am no longer leaving this perch except challenges like bring me rights once a day. And that's it. I'm like you just physically. I don't think could do it anymore. Yeah But i i don't even think they got confessionals out of because and maybe just because he was such that he couldn't he wasn't even going either agreeing or physically up to them you when he leaves like there's a little bit of like okay. This is mars redemption and then and then rental just absolutely dunks on him. It was like yeah. Okay i get the last word then on shomar win. Do they do that with anybody. I don't even think in got that. No so i went back and it was really exciting to have twitter and be able to like search how i felt about these one to thirteen. I i say february seventh. I'm getting really sick of them. Making full of chamara like this. Yes he can be loud and angry but you would be to after two tours in iraq and it's like so. I don't even think that you know that was twenty thirteen right like i don't even think you need a new lens necessarily to look at this and be like this seems egregious. They give i agree. Survivor treated him completely unfairly. I think his edit was largely giving reynolds glass word. We do get this moment where he's expressing why he's feeling this way and like you said about his experience in iraq and eddie's there behind him short of looking like maybe a little shaken by it and i don't know if they jump cut to reynolds was there the whole time but then they get a confessional him being like i don't care what he's talking about he's and it's like so not only after the medevac. But after he's talking about his experience serving his country reynolds. Still being able in the confessional. So i hope that not. Everybody had the thought osha. Marceau terrible reynolds great. Like i don't remember people thought about ronald eddie. Akiva you say they were like them. I mean they hated them. A i was thinking this rob and maybe alleys or exception was there. One person earth in the highlight of the season. The three amigos tribal council. Is there one person earth saying. Oh no not. Philip is there. Anybody not rooting kinetic. We'll wait. let's let's get your metro for because that's that's all we have. People are listening a little meat this but the other thing was chamari is like and this rehearsing akiva right. He's he's the one black person on this tribe without sherry shomar. I think would even have a worse experience and it does speak to the importance of diversity in casting not only in racial diversity but in experiences personality types right you have four dingus. Who make this alliance. You have laura interchangeable with allie and hope. And like why are why you're five spots in the tribe being wasted with people who are what under thirty and had like the same limited life experience. We're sheri's able to understand martin's say he's misunderstood. i also think mar like you're saying akiva. He does have outbursts that are scary right like objectively. Like i said brandon doesn't meet sort of the frustration like the stimulus chamara also has that but like shomar is so like sherry keep saying misunderstood by the tribe even as tribal to one sort of strategic thing. Chamara tries to do where he sort of tips off. Hope to vote with them to vote for. Eddie is not a bad idea except that hope seems unwilling to be actually playing the game and take the lifeline and make the connection. She also just hate shomar but when she turns around and throws him under the bus at tribal like i felt for shamir. Because he's like that's not what happened. That's not what i said like. I didn't flip on the whole tribe and it's true he didn't did he make the smartest move. No but he is getting accused of these things. And if you're constantly just against the wall being like no that's not me no you don't get it no. I didn't say it like that. i would keep it. You know i would get mad to. Yeah i mean you also feel for shomar at the point where Is it after. I think allie goes home. Reynold like is like like yelling at everybody of like. Oh yet the vote out. Allie and then shomar gets really mad. Like oh. Wait till you made it. I didn't get voted out. Honey linex saw some more from because they think tomorrow would have been. I mean he's the he's he was like viral on youtube. Rewatch that actually in preparation for this to that. He's the like one marine against thirty police officers video new york city one percenter street. Yeah and it's you know shomar chamara. I feel like had a lot more to give a lot more story to tell. I think you're right the elements for a guy. His size can be difficult and the tribe. Just like wasn't yeah. They now like we can understand why he was. Cast these gregarious guy when he's like no when he's said and getting the proper amount of nourishment for somebody who is like most interesting person on the favorites tribe and he just and the fans tribe. How many times. I'm david strong right. I think it just doesn't it doesn't pan out Yeah ultimately. He wants to go home. That i kind of feel like that. Maybe they should have let him go earlier. Like i feel like that sherry. I understand what she was trying to do. Strategically of like. Hey i'm gonna drag. She calls his. He's going to be my philip. He's gonna. I'm going to go to the end. And everybody's gonna hate him the whole way he's gonna yell at people and i'm going to be the person who benefits from that at the end of the game but i kind of feel like that sh- probably tried to keep that going for too long. Well i disagree as somebody who threatens to quit everything like if akiva having pulled me back to ngo like once a week i would have walked off ngo g to. I want to be there. I'm not saying that's what's going on with shomar. But i don't think i mean to mishmar didn't seem to be in like clinical critical condition. And he didn't like he's had that conversation about wanting to quit. But i think that chamara is somebody who is. He wanted to walk away with one way. And sometimes when someone's feeling again this could totally be wrong about tamar. But when i'm feeling rejected in this situation and threatened to walk off like you need someone to be like we want you here like he's being completely rejected by whatever. Seven eighths of the timing. I don't know how many people there are. Even sherry is like him. So i don't think like he's he got santa design. How to get medevac. Because he like overstayed. I mean no. I don't think that that's that's what happened. But i feel like they're just from like the strategic Standpoint of can you make it work with somebody when they want out this early that i feel like that like i feel like that sherry had just seen redemption island. Feels like this is what you wanna do. Okay i'm going to be able to work with tomorrow. And the only person gets him but the fact that he had so many other issues with wanting to be there and getting along with the rest of the tribe. I just don't think that there's the success story out there in survivor. History like like you did not have issues like this In the early going sweet irony rob where she says. I want him to be my philip and sherry becomes the philo even worse like a human being rough. I thought you were going to say then. Sherry gets to fill up at his nfl but then she ends coming around then like Winning philip over. She likes philip but then she becomes the philip of this season truly one of the goats goats. We've ever seen them to the point. Where she's you know. Basically walking off almost at final tribal jumping ahead but to me the frustration with the sherry the way Treated a final tribal. Is that the only go to your vote to me. Is eddie eddie. Like had such a worse performance. He didn't do anything. Strategically at least sherry flip at the right time and build trust with the right people. And if eddie to me is sitting there at the final three and not cherry. He's getting praised by at least half the jury and he's not getting the same shit as she is and to me. I think sherry played much better than any. I forgot how disrespectful they were her. Roberts yeah let's put that guys. Let's let's do that separately. Because i think we'll do a whole section on the final travel council all right so we took issue going on at the fans tribe over on the favorites drive. We have the other book. End here of brandon hands. And you know were saying that you know you could see how chamara is going to be a gregarious guy in casting and you see what the appeal is to potentially cast shomar brandon. That's the one where every single person at least the i knew at the time when they heard. Okay we are going to bring brandon enhance back for this season. Felt like wait. What what now. Why why are we doing this to how people react when you say. I'm going to be on a podcast. I don't i mean the thing with brandon. You set it on. One of these was nagoya garage. You said this like they. They have russell who was the next. We're gonna go to bloodline. They were like they have to like squeeze something out of this and it's like there's nothing left to go on to the next one. Well you really get the sense that and you know. I have empathy for brands here. Because i feel like that. I haven't watched a south pacific yet this year. But you know he certainly had his issues there but also was like seemed like there was a sweetness about him in south pacific and whether it was from his family or people in casting or producers or whoever like you feel like that he got it from both ends of that people said to him. Hey you failed. The hands name. The first time out and i really feel like he was gassed up coming into the season. You're going to be more like russell this time right. You're going give us. You're you're not going to give the necklace away and talk all about religion. You're going to enhance it up right. That makes sense because his his stick from day one is like i'm gonna pee in the rights throughout the beans. You know right so it. It does make sense that maybe came in with that sort of mentality. Like i'm gonna end remember this season before jatiya jumps at the beans so it's not even a thing right like he. He's almost invented it. He invented the way that you know we. We ruined the food. Nobody has ruined the food yet. Russell has burned socks. Search has like hit. The food But nobody has destroyed the food. I think the thing with brandon is like there are moments of brilliance right. There are moments of his reaction in the challenges when he's like pulling everybody like like he's pounding his chest he's like very into a on. This challenge like there are moments of brandon on a season of a very. And i talked about this fair right like there are a season of very just mild people. There's no tony on this season. Right and like philip is sort coaching. But like you know what i mean like. The energy level of the majority of the people on this season is very low and brandon. When he's good is giving you like a heightened energy like but he. I don't think i can see like every time. I'm enjoying branded. i'm joe. I'm agreeing with what he's saying. That philip is playing a bad social game and that he's they're saying yes to him like. Yeah philip. yeah sure no thank you. I've been kissing your but like great. And then he goes to the confessionals like just telling him this but like i'm really mad at him like the makings of something. There's something there there's a little kindling and then boom. He goes to the next extreme. It's like okay. He's actually like this is not right to have him out here but i see some potential in their of like there were moments that maybe it was just how terrible the bridge was but i did enjoy twenty percent of brandon on the show. Akiva commie crazy. I don't know i. Maybe it's just i mean. There's there's something about him that i mean. I think that you know he is sort of like able to sorta disguise like how he feels about philip to some degree although fill up also disguising how he feels about brandon back and forth. So there's a little bit of that where he calls him middle-management Which is not. Ideally what you want to say brandon to win him over on. Who wants to keep. How old is brandon hance in survivor caramel and playing second survivor. Season believes twenty. Two he is he is twenty. He's how he is seconds money in his second season out here ever which is that. He has multiple kids. I think he has married. He has children at at this point. But i mean it is malpractice practise to like you know. We're we're talking about bringing kids who are sixteen like he has already gone through what he's been through at eighteen and he's back playing another season here at twenty really while also we. You know we. We don't really focus on the impact of. He's in the minority at the first vote right. He's one of the four people who who vote for philip and not for we're not fulfill votes for andrea andrea is. The is the is the lou. Right like But i think and he's very upset. He i believe he's the one points out while it was really messed up. You guys voted out for just go twice in a row. And i think that probably did not help that. He was not in the majority alliance literally on the first vote. And then they don't vote again for basically weeks and weeks and weeks so we'll get back to franchesca. I think the bigger we're talking about the Bigger issues with the pre marriage But yeah the the brandon is just so wild Should they have like. They put him on the season alleys there. A point where they should have intervened earlier or yes. Yeah no. I think i said this before too like it's absolutely absurd that it's on the favorites to show up there and be like we're foregoing forfeiting the challenge. We want to go to tribal. I mean i'm not accusing brandon of being gainers read. He ultimately doesn't put hands on anybody. I've again. I wanna talk about a show where people all the time But to the point. Philip justifiably is like sleeping with one eye open because this guy keeps threatening to burn their shelter and heart physically harm them. That's beyond the bounds of the game. Like that's an objection to me. I don't think it should have. And who knows if. I mean you guys might know. I don't know if it was like really on the favorites or if that was all orchestrated but to me it shouldn't be on the contestants to have to. It's almost like a goes back to like the the kelly stuff thirty. Whatever like the bottom to your season like it shouldn't have to affect the players in the game and be and have them decided. Okay like is he in my lions but i really care about him. I don't wanna like dr the situation like she's obviously broken up about having to do this andrea breaks down over it. It shouldn't be on them to say. This person is unfit to be in the game and he was clearly unfit to be in the game. I also think with with With first of all the brandon stuff. My impression that time was they just needed a tweet that episode. And that's why that's one of the longest show right. It's like twenty minutes. Basically we're feels like it where jeff doing ridiculous massage. And they're doing it. They even vote. Like wikipedia has a vote for that. Which i think is absurd like this a clear equator or or you know evacuation like to me. That's the point is they. This was the show doing what was in the shows interest which was having sixty minute episodes of television which would have been very tricky alley. Knows this as someone who podcast show that sometimes gets cut off in the middle but survivor is not gonna do that. There's no real way around. That of brandon just leaves other than losing an episode. Lose eric at the final five. Like they've had people doesn't cost them anything because they just throw in one of the worst things ever just that war and they built this. They milked this. When you watch episode four though like and next time on survivor moment that book will be iconic that. I mean that you have to see what happens like they really go. Yeah that's what i mean. They give them. It gives them a pass to say like oh well they needed to fill the time shows lose people randomly all the time early on they. Can they find a way to stretch like they could find a way of giving them a pass. But that's that's sort of. They're like well if we get him to. The you know to where the challenges we could really squeeze this out instead of having it is very awkward as and no season can say it better than this one to have somebody sort of leave off screen. And that's really what happens. Eric basically and it sucks. Like i get it pulled from the game and i think it happens the dan. If i'm not mistaken also right brandon walks by and they have that wet shot of the and let's look. He walks off camera. That was very day one of casting. They should've caught this. This is this psych test in the world that he was sally. Do you recall how they promoted this season. Do you remember any of the promos leading up to this season of how they were marketing survivor. So that they were that. That ozzy osborne crazy train was licensed music. That was like look who we're bringing back. Donna turner turner. It's gonna be like philip brand in like a openly marketed. This season as like All the crazy characters are back macaroni. They took a shot. What do you think they should have done. This is a question what what could they have done differently and again like you like you referenced. The beginning like they're really taking from a pool since they use. They use the seasons of the weakest seasons. And the show is there. Is there a group of two or three people. They could have used. That would've really changed the because it's not just that they weren't the right people. It's a lot of people who i personally like. Who bring negative energy. Philip salt sucks everything out of the restaurant with negative energy. The nothing but almost other than eric who doesn't speak and andrea brenda like it's mostly negative energy from from the A week pool of that. It seems like that we're going back to. I don't think there's anybody that's from that has played prior to the last fans versus favorites. Also nobody that has played a second time already. So if you were like good enough. They probably aren't they already brought you back for heroes vs villains. So we're really a looking at people. From token teens samoa. nicaragua a redemption island taj. Where's ties that's obviously. That's the one like listen. I'm here she said no. No there's a wicky. There's a part in the wiki that i'm too far from my laptop to like type where it says. I think lisa welsh all they ask. I don't know that she improves the season. But she said no especially back to back They said stephen. According to the wikki was asked to be on the season. Steve just see stephen fishbach. Moved the needle for you. Instead of cochran cochran took his spot. Maybe yeah that's the same. They're probably not gonna put them together. Yeah i forget. There's there's a couple of people they. I think they tyson's mentioned even though he had played already. I think tyson actually would be a big improvement on the season. Instead of eric. I could you wanted the book ends of the fans versus davis by. I like eric. Honestly i think he did better than the lousy then. But i don't hate eric in the way. I think a lot of people do as a player even though he's not like a real strategic mind and i think a lot of a lot of the intriguing. Some votes gets lost because eric's swing but he's not able to really communicate why he's making decisions but tyson i think if they could have thrown a major. Let me give you a couple of others. This is again according to this fiber. Wicky which you know. I'll say because i've seen stuff like. Oh that's not true all right so some other potential names shambo. Yeah shambo does wanna play again. But she would have been good. I mean eddie. Is the shambo of the season. Eddie is the is the young male shamba waiting. The lion remember in history who went like the final eight seven six or voting so wrong. There's two different. There's the majority group the minority group and then they're their vote with their voting complete shambo of the season. I don't think of the person who's voting wrong. At the eight seventy six. The most unique jimbo did was when russell and and and the and the other going back and forth full of phone gulu is that it survivor. Obviously notre dame's well just hit me just now that shambles like in the quarter voting for random person who's not even still in the tech percent of this energy. Ngo he'd be okay. Good all right matt. Matt elrod could've come back andrea thing gets four confessional diffuse on this season. Yeah malcolm like that. I wouldn't want. I feel like the people were talking about. Would take away the good. You have to start this with malcolm. Malcolm matt elrod replaces eric but again you honor and then i think we got troy zan also in the mix same robbed. That would have been the same thing. What's that yeah it would have been. It wouldn't have been bad. That's that's who got cut from malcolm. I would have been season. Wouldn't have airdrop. Well i'm just wondering if you have frozen here instead of in game changers Maybe the changes survivor history. What if you've tried them instead of brennan enhance that something surely troy's an and then Yes in malcolm for brandon if you wanted if you want to do that let's In terms of how they dealt with brandon's exit from the game. I'm sorry is that about the complement of your life. If you're cut for malcolm if they're like you're the same type is not. That's like a very big complimented trays and that's playing my okay. Sorry for a good frozen looked at it that way. That's nice entered that on survivor wicky. I'm not saying he's out of your promoting it like he got cut for fill up. But he's like. I think he had a couple of close calls. I think was also a close call for blood versus water. Also i think that Him and his brother. We're supposed to play in that one And then of course. He's on the second chances ballot. So maybe game changers just like all right. We got we. We left troyes in at the altar so many times we own one wasn't that historic for his first season. He dishes apply to number twenty times or something like that. We'll be right back to talk more about survivor. Caramel win with alley and a kiva but first let me take a moment and thank our sponsor. Those are our friends over at head space. So if you're like me. You've probably tried meditation before and it didn't work right or maybe you felt like you were doing it wrong if mental health is part of your self care plan for this year you to yourself to try head space head. 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Now let's get back to talking survivor care mohan so i actually thought akiva that jeff does a pretty good job here with a holding down the brandon situation. When when it's happening. Like i think he does a really famous for the neck massage of like you know he gets a segment out of it and then also does keep brandon from just doing a spear tackle of film i am i was always wondering i first of all is there. Is it possible. Any of the twenty. Karen people are listening right now. Because i have a question i didn't think of at the time. Yeah i will say my over under is two and a half okay fine so i'm thinking the hard under an hour into this john john cochran. My question for you is was. I bet there was security like two feet away. The cut wisely and don't show it because i jeff is physically holding back. He's giving them assange. That's legendary but he's also physically like not letting him go like you squeezing and a show like the challenge. Right they will. They don't mind letting security guards literally be on camera. It would be a real departure and sort of trashy in survivors. Mind to have you know security. But they're you know inches away from that during the scene like i assumed it was going to be intervention. They were not gonna let brandon. Get to the favorites tribe in a fistfight on survivor. Are we wasting our one question for cochran on that question. I mean i. You know the internet. I'm saying like he's physically holding you back but lucky as hell that he didn't take off charging and the fact that they have him walk off across is insane. It's insane decision to me. I don't know why they don't dismiss the tribes while. He's still there with brandon. And then they take brandon like. I'm sure they had people around. But it's not like the old school like jerry springer show where they had like a team of bouncers like standing by break-up potential fistfights like i don't think that they're they're prepared for that for this. You don't think for this. But i just do. They have that person on those people on staff on similar told cameras the people but you also getting fired. Like when i was there there weren't like a team of goons that were standing around in case like extra security downstairs goons security of the most central folks so i will say that i thought jeff did a good job but then i felt like that. He has one misstep. I thought it was very dicey alley when jeff aspirin. He's like i. I have a question for you. You might not like it. Is it in the blood. Is it the blood. I'm just shocked still that you're saying he had one missed the whole to me again. The entire scene as a misstep the walk off in the rainy camera misstep the fact that he lets brandon honestly berate philip look kudos to fill up for just sitting there and basically taking being called a bitch repeatedly by an unstable person. That's hard to do like especially for someone who's yeah like. Yeah but you're eagles not as important to you now like that's a compliment but fill up the way that philip is phillips on the show. Because he's an egotistical self important guy and to have a guy called him a bitch repeatedly is like a big problem anyway so i just think the platform they gave brandon is kind of crazy. Potanin question is it in the blood. I don't even know what he was asking. Your vile person. Is that because you're a hair or because you're just evil. Is that what he was asked. Is there something. I cursed by the hands. Lineage that you have to have this type of behavior is there. No way yeah. He's at least russell was a halfway decent survivor player. There's something there's something missing in the jeanne russell sins mostly all occur off of the island In terms of how survivor goes. I mean like like russell like has like an honest exit from the game. Like basically you know the twice. And gets his torch snuffed and loses option island and walks off everything he's supposed to do in his three stints on the show. It's like his behavior off of the show is like And the behavior of his relatives on other. Cbs shows that really got him to be a persona non grata with the production. Twice brandon's age like maybe twenty year old does that too but linkingwith with experience like he comes down like you just like you said brands a kid. Russell philip grownups. Yeah i mean. Granted didn't interview with korean. That i listened to not too long garden with quarantine is probably five years ago but if it wasn't that long he he already and how old is he now and i talked to him last year. Also that He asked me to do an interview with him. And interviewing i listened to the coroner. I think he's a much better place. Like seven eight years out from survivor came back we bring him. We got it. We got it brandon versus russell. That's what people are clamoring for. Don't act like you wouldn't watch watch. gruden's there. Let's talk about from We mentioned francesca. The season gets off to a fast start with the ninety minute premiere which ultimately ends in. Francesca getting voted out. It was so great that they gave. Francesca another shot. But then ultimately she ends up getting the same fate as from her first season. Where it's never gonna work with her and fill up. She extends the olive branch to fill up and he's not interested in taking it. I am such a i. Don't wanna say the biggest. But i am one of the biggest any fans i was gonna say this side of the computer. The biggest franny fans. Well she has many many fans She is The queen of clubhouse you knew he was gonna mention. I just wanted to set them up. I don't even like friends. But i i am a huge franny fan and i like normally wouldn't be moot fruity blake. I'm saying that. Because i think it doesn't necessarily show because she's only had two half episodes on her season but she is like i listened to all the iterations of podcast. I listen to every appearance. She is dawn on like podcasts. She is just so instantly charismatic and unbelievable and socially aware and i honestly think she would be an unbelievable survivor player and what she says about herself which is like i have so much potential and that will remain untapped like by losers like i think we have lost so much by losing for any especially to fill up. I'm sorry but like we get what phillips about. And we didn't get to see for any and i think her fatal flaw is like she couldn't have predicted that these people would want to work with now. Maybe she could have predicted because they come from sort of boston. Rob school at the andrew of the world might wanna keep phillip for the same sort of chamara principle but has joined the philip principal smart principles based on the principles. Anyway it's just like of course they'd want to vote him out. why wouldn't they. She is trying to think of what's best for the dry but unlike cochrane's rules the end and yet they make what a seemingly the logical decision to get rid of loyal thoughtful like strong. Well reasoned ally strong and the challenges in favor of fila but you know my heart goes out to. I really wish that we got to see her. Play more than one episode of all of the pre merge boots that they bring back and we say what what did they see in this person that they wanted another go round like. This was the most inspired recasting of someone who is an early boot of like. No we feel so strongly in this choice. We're bringing her. I know she got voted out. I we're bringing her back and here she comes but then you feel like that. Was this only because like. Oh well like we know that he. This'll be a foil for philip fight with. They got what they wanted right like. The production was happy after the first episode. That philip like they listen if it was ultimately going to be filled verse. Francesca francesca thinking said an interviews. Like she wanted to target fill up in like sort of felt that people production was like implying that he had neidl to. Maybe scare her away from philip. That's what she said. When i but i think like the they were pumping fists when friend. Who got voted out. I the second time. It's a story line for them. They liked that it would. Of course it would be nice if this time you know she. She gets a one up on. Philip even fields. Not the person who goes first and she wins this. You know this battle. But i like. They brought her back for this to fight with philip. Yeah i agree. But i do think she would also be an amazing player if windbreak no no one hundred percent out him i mean it just shows though that like i'm in favor of a season with offers boots or in favor of hafer speeds have second place on whatever like something like that but you can't just have one i. I would have voted her. I two right. It's the easy you're always looking for. What's the easy vote. And it's like oh what she is. The she was already voted out. I like it's cruel. But it's easy. I wouldn't do it though. I love her. And it's aradio for francesca where she has relationships with andrea with cochrane from before the show comes out and it's a real betrayal that the people that she knew in real life and end up voting against her but the thing is that cochran has dawn who said he played he played with and had a very good relationship with and then also you have andrea. Who played like thirty some odd days with phillip in another season. Where sort of like that. She feels like okay. Well i can trust. Fill up also and everybody is seen. We're philip got taken to the end and it was like an automatic win for boston. Rob so you understand like the temptation there to go ahead and go along with philip and why everybody is so willing to jump in on the stealth r us thing. Does that happen regardless if francesc like how much was that it. How much do you think israel that they sort of put it out. That francesca is going into the paint to get phil about and that gets brought to fill up if she just sort of goes with the flow says the cochran. What are we doing like. Do you think that actually mattered. Or that was just the edit. It's hard to say. I mean philip is telling us right up the bat he doesn't like francesca doesn't wanna work with her and things like that. He wants to Not have not have her around cramping his style in this game so hard to say. But we're here to say yeah. I mean we're i get the sense that there's no love lost there. I would like. I mean i think it would be crazy to bring back a third time and i think it is possible. It should do it. I think she'd do it either. But i think they maybe make the call. Yeah so all right. Let's talk about fill up a little bit more because we get so much. Stealth r us to in the pre merge and akiva that. I feel like while. I don't know like a your mileage varies on the south. It feels out of place here. This season where i feel like that we see like contrived like acted out skits in this season. The where that i thought. There is not a lot of authentic camp life that we see going on here with when we do. See the favorites. Yeah i don't think there's a contest. And i can think of in forty seasons. Plays to the cameras as much as phillip's right. He is a lot of confessions standing looking. You know directly into the camera at the cameraman and talking to cochran or andrew. Whoever's behind him about somebody's nickname he is literally and crin is talking about what. He is just obsessed with getting camera time like his stick. Is i want to be on camera as much as possible. Eat breaking the fourth wall to to talk to the viewer way. More often than any other survivor contestant. I can remember And it is very contrived. They're having the dance things that everything everything is doing is to get on camera. I would be curious what he was like when the cameras were not super around like just lying in the shelter if he's the same phillip or if he's being quiet but he sucks the energy and malcolm says this after he gets voted out like he sucks the energy out of every scene. He's in. I think kids like him like my kids are watching them like he is entertaining. I don't think phillip. Like i get weather brought him back. He's sort of coach coming to bring them back. They couldn't wait but you'll notice. They brought him back since. And i don't think they have plans to you know if they if they were doing. Another season which random people who who've played again. I don't think phillips getting a call where though with wanting because because i listened to him on the black survivor roundtable you had and that was really fascinating to hear phillips perspective of his portrayal on the show and i forget what he said would he go back or he sort of. He seems sort of sour on it. Now yeah you know. It's a very good question that that i feel like that. You know he. He's so good at going in and out of character and turning it on i get the sense that he does have interest to potentially go back but i think that he would want to make sure. It was under specific circumstances and luck with philip. Like does it work for me. No but would i rather but again in terms of a very even keel low. Energy season phillips. I laughed at at intelligence at tech shea. Like let like some of. It's so ridiculous. What i don't love is like it's almost as compared to tony. Where like showing how. It works more for tony because he seems to be more of a competent player. Also maybe that's and also people around twenty seemed to like him whereas you malcolm even at the reunion like rolling. His eyes over every stealth arrest discussion. It's almost like uncomfortable. Because of the way the tribe reacts to him. I'm surprised to hear that. The cell is so out of place as i was waiting to give you guys. Stealth arrests nicknames. Please please but he like i. I'm here from around. I'm here for fun and philip tries. It doesn't it doesn't land always but at least try trying to give you. I was saying that it feels out of place where it's like. They're almost like the survivors are like on a stage in. Philip is like all right now. I'm going to give everybody nicknames. All right welcomes. This is the stealth r us meeting and this is gum. And he's this per wise karinna dominatrix. I we never really got the backstory tricks. Yeah yeah we get one gesture. She's like when they were. I don't know it doesn't seem like anybody enjoys it. Also maybe the first time it is like they react to him negatively so it's not as fun. We're laughing at him not with him but then we are right because then he's like i like it's it's relaxed. It's forgotten like he's sort of aware of the interesting thing about philip. I also notice watching the season. He says things that a wacky way but a lot of the things. Philip says a right like villas. It's interesting so i have watched the seasons in twenty twenty one and say read saying that you watch birth. Someone is trying to turn one is like that's mean just yes andrea are going to be a rap on andrea watch all three of four seasons also twenty twenty one. But i mean. Fill up that where he was more of like sort of like at boston. Rob's like beckham call in the first season like he does have laid land here in this. Save for like getting idled out and sort of like fluky circumstances like i think that he was destined for the final three of this game also. He has people running to him with information to me is when you look at the favorites tribe he and cochran really only have the right reads especially on the swap of the knew what was new goethe like. They're the right. They're making the right choice that they wanna get snowy. Yeah keeping snowy is the absolute wrong decision for them and they're the ones saying like i'm reading. The relationship. karen has with snowy. It comes out. Like i should be the top person in her life or i'm quoting boston rob so much. But he's is right. He has the strategic reads. I think it's like do we think it's because he has the right reads and he's built good relationships that he stays in a good position or do we know that everybody wants to bring him as a goat and that's why he doesn't get our respect as viewers because we're like yeah we know why he ever loyal to him. They want to drag him to the end but to discredit his game. I think the difference between philip in boston rob. I think that philip comes across as overbearing as opposed to like boston. Rob which that he's able to like Both charm and intimidate. And i think that people are more afraid of boston. Rob and don't want stepping against him. Whereas i feel like with philip. They tend to get more annoyed They don't respect him as much as like the leader of the group Again like boston. Rob's able to back up like what he says with challenge performance also to the point where philip hypes himself up as the challenge performer. A lot here in the pre merge but isn't always able to deliver in some of these spots especially after the swap. So i feel like that. He doesn't necessarily get that same respective from the group that boston rob does the koshen off like he says but coach to me doesn't have the right reads as much but like he's smarter than i think he might be smarter than coachee. He understands the game. Better I don't know who has less aggressive aggressive of reality. I think it's coach. But it's a very good question. Who had this podcast. Bingo card us debating. Who's got a better grasp on reality between fill fill coach phil. Phillip career would always say coach. Okay should we get to all right. We've we've gotten through talking about like wanna hear your stuff arrest nickname please. Teasing us now. Yes i thought we would all do it. And i would pretend that i didn't think about it and it would just be sort of off the alley really. It was off the cuff for me. Writing them down. I haven't revisited them looking at them now. They were funnier in episode four than they are now. Just put for rob. I have a have the mouse like vodka or have just the father. I think that's good mouth but it's more like a credit. It's like the podfather just the founder. Not like just using eagle for at eagle. I don't know why also had the bushman. I liked bushman. Yeah dot us shows up in the season. I forgot about him as you ever nickname for yourself alley what i thought you guys might do but maybe maybe too afraid i think he would run away from the opportunity a good one during the rest of the episode. I'll think we'll also yeah. Bushman makes an appearance here and he. Just wildman forgiven. He's still a legend. Taught the bushman really that. I don't know if it held up or didn't hold up but i i remember that whole. Oh yeah no. I remember that We also learned that. I had forgotten. That of the bushman's catchphrase. You remember. akiva his signature. Catchphrase what is it no bitching in the jungle. Okay yeah that was one of the things that at least that was what they thought he said taught bushman amusing matt. I'm just going to scream bitching in the jungle and things are getting haywire okay. So let's we've we've rip the band aid off. We've talked about the darkest days of the season from the pre merge. Is there anything else we want to talk about. Before we even get to the swap swap it up swap it up okay all right so we ended up the one the one thing. I also feel like that even like the fans go into trouble council over and over and over again. They really like in the season. Make a meal out of like tivat where there's three three three vote where they split the votes against i think eddie hope and shomar and it's like there's like a ten minute tribal council there. I mean there's like going we really slide. Just make like oh three three three tie. Oh my god it's so so dramatic where it's just we're just gonna end up voting out. Hope it was like just like a lot of procedural like a moving of the parchment to get a hope getting voted out there to three sides of the season. The final nine also is like there's a lot of boring ties. i agree. yeah. I was gonna say that. That's a criticism. I have this season overalls that the majority alliance is always so large that they can split every single vote. It's like even cochran later is like well. Shouldn't we just do a straight board vote like they can. Basically you need to idols to make anything happen because a majority is just big Boring we get to the swap. We really spend much more time with one of the swap tribes then the other. The swap drives There is basically the side that has Malcolm and andrea and eric and brand and they get swapped with reynolds and eddie and sherry and then we spend so much more time with the cochran. Philip dawn career side with snowy and matt bischoff and julia landauer. We spend probably eighty percent of our time without other group. Think we see the beach of the of the of the malcolm and reynolds tribe. Yeah and so at least so alley we get sort of like the start of where the season is going to get good and start to pick up where korean versus. Philip is starting to bubble under the surface. Go to your point on. I think we only hear we would have maybe seen more. From goethe if anything panned out for matt like we saw enough to see that eddie ronald and malcolm rebounding and otherwise. None of those other relationships ever bear fruit. They can never get eric over. They can never really work dress. There's nothing like forget that they're winning like there's nothing that even happens from those relationships the korean versus fill up. I mean like i'm surprised. It took them this long to start arguing. Yeah how do they get along for. Fifteen days i guess brands enhance went to tribal one. Now heads was the buffer. They probably just put both talk about how much they hated brandon hance. They were probably fighting but again they don't go to travel from day three until after the swap they actually they do vote together in the first episode so maybe it took time for their relationship to break down. I don't know yeah. It's also like philip. I think one of the big pain points is that philip is trying to get julia to his side and current is just like. But that's not what we need to be focused on like we don't need a flipper and she's very like i agree with her. I don't really understand phillips. Decided to bond with julia and even later when corrine bonds was snowy phillips annoyed. By that. so it's like. Why is philip allowed to. I guess it's sort of rules. He's allowed to be close to everyone but not the rest of his alliance. A that is a fair point as to why is he allowed to have a plus. One and karen is in where philip gets. Mad is that he sees karen talking to michael and to some degree man and not reporting back. Why is she having unsanctioned. Conversations The again the rule says you need a buddy. Why korean talking to that would never be allowed to talk to two of the zaps. The other thing from this early swap is phil phillip. Well jeff lays some of the meanest burns. I feel like in survivor history on The book i keep saying new on the tribe he says call appears to be on some sort of medication. Moving that little out of even for jaffa a little out of They were so bad in the challenge. The challenges are so lopsided here because you have all of the young strong people that are over on The new new. Goethe i i do think this is probably the best case. Scenario for tv in terms of swap. Because i think if reynold or eddie swap to phillips tribe or if they're in the minority and go to tribal they go home we we end up losing the more the less interesting in my opinion i mean i guess Hindsight works because the yeah. We didn't see as much of the The julia's but like the. I think i don't know if there's a scenario where the swap save the season other than if four fans somehow end up on a trip together and then they basically throw throw throw tribal throw a challenge. Is this an argument to have swapped to three tribes at this point. I think it wasn't invented yet. Yeah is this. The best are inge tribe in survivor. History and feel like you've talked earlier ones but this is one of the first season of as i'm watching this. I'm like that. We get our verses purple. I think thailand was also orange versus purple of you know like we get so much orange versus purple but yeah this is a season where our strive getting smoked by purple. Finally post swap. We at least get a good orange try but alas we get to pretty boring votes here in the polls like you get sort of the intrigue of coron versus fill up and then but it's really coming down to which one of the fans is going to get voted out. Is it gonna be matt. Or mike or julia. And then we have a vote Is it going to be snowy or julia. Basically who's going to go home phillips pond or koreans pond. It ends up. Being julia cochran does level akitas favorite Burn on julia calling her. The you can't even compare her to vanilla ice cream because people clamor for the fa- the flavor of vanilla imagine. Imagine if. You're julia watching that. Though i do feel i do feel pretty bad. Like cochran had to like he's doing akron was probably like. That's i know somebody who went to high school with her and the season. Sorry the life of the party. What what he was saying. I was like how did you know her. He was like she was very nice. But i would assume that they would want somebody who would like be outspoken or have like funny things to say and like what did she give in casting but it seems like for someone who knew her in high school not that long before the season aired like she was just a normal person. Which really it's a compliment for her in life but not a compliment that you see this on our driving the chiron said and not like yeah. I sure but like them in an interview and in fairness to julia who is young person. She's also twenty in this season like she is sort of like a little bit of a fly on the wall. Like a or just with these big. You're around. Philip coron cochran like big personalities. Like yes she might have been like a little bit shy around the favorites at that. Point was bad for her. Because it's karinna. I think says she doesn't wanna talk because you she's boring. I mean okay. I feel like honestly at this point in the podcast. All i can really think about what's really just shows you. How boring these episodes were is just see overall for the whole season. I thought the challenges were really exceptional. Even though this team gets decimated like that's truly. That's what i was thinking about now. And i was thinking about the whole season like that snake. Challenge i really like and i would've loved to see take all the wet weight and just beat herself with but yeah that's what stands out to me now is like the challenges. Which if i'm thinking about the challenges i watch during these episodes. I mean come on survive. He's the most interesting. I think of the three and otherwise i think we can kind of the ya at six straight brutal episodes basic two other quick things from pre merge that i liked so many tar sierre monkeys in this season that alley. Did you like a little bug. Eye monkeys weird little nipples on some of them didn't even notice avenue little like little duties almost like with all strings. Yeah i can send you a clip. Wanna hear reaction to that Check in the immunity idol is one of those little monkeys that i didn't even know it. S watch season in a week. And i didn't even notice that. Yeah and then also kiva cochran has the number one greatest sunburn in the history of the show. It is wild that like like. There's so many random med vaccine the season for seemingly minor ailments. It would have been funded cochran just that like too much sunburn and the lean. Can we talk about. I mean you guys don't go outside but as someone who goes outside and his pants most. I have gotten so many severe burns. That obviously don't rise to the level of cochran's and it is effing miserable for like a week default. He's doing challenges. I was gonna say it doesn't get the respect it deserves. It somehow still gets too much respect that michelle because they spend hours on it. They mentioned the finale. But it is like. I felt that pain when i saw his little swollen little. Never seen your feet swell the From a sunburn. I've never seen that. Yeah i mean. I've really got it on my bed. We don't really need to get to this. But no i've never gotten a full body burn like that by. I love cocker's attitude about though. How soon did that habit right away. Instantly all right so that's the pre merge look look at you. Podcast listener ninety three minutes into this. We've covered the worst parts of the season. The worst the worst emerge in the show's history. Yeah i like again. I love survivor. And i've watched i've watched four seasons of survivor and i've enjoyed every single season ivory watched. I did not enjoy the process of rewatching this until halfway through. I had to stop and i didn't want to go back to it until two days ago and also gary and i have to okay from here because we get we get to the merge negative energy and no look miserably yesterday. I can even if it's a tale of two halves that and there are seasons that have this in the reverse also where you have a great pre merge in a bad post merge and so here we go we get to the first vote and korean has had it with philip and that she reunites with malcolm. Karen has snowy malcolm has the bros. they're talking about. Hey what is eleven person merge where we we are a twelve person merge and they feel like okay. We've got we've got this thing going. What we need to do here is a once we knock out sherry. We're going to have the numbers at the next vote. Things are things are moving and we get a very interesting first episode here at the merge We are going to have to return to the gross food. Challenge and allie kicks off the first of four individual challenge. Wins for cochran. I i want to talk to you guys about what you think of. The food challenge being placed here or just existing at all. I hate grocery challenge. I still have to deal with it on the challenge. Even though it's on really anymore. I have always hated it. I winced and looked away at jervis. And i've never looked back literally at a grocery challenge. Ever i cannot watch it but i do sort of love a true like who wants it more equalizer at this stage of the competition. Yeah what do you think. I like it as an idea. Well first of all i view it as a prism of like. If i'm out there something i can't do right. I can't eat any of these foods. There beyond their like the depth pig brain kosher are because the definition of nocco show. And not that i like. I think i would like grows kosher foods. I'd probably win that challenge on the wheel. Yeah i do think like and also people have said you know well if jeffs like hey they eat this year. Well i don't know if that's true. But if that is a delicacy like why are we going to their country and being like ooh there's food is the best thing but you have to. You have a punishment enough. Which is i think. One of the reasons why. It's probably been phased out and it's kind of gross to watch but i agree with elliott's most it's been done sporadically most beautifully. We've done in Susan thirty six goes. Yeah but i agree the who wants it more aspect of it because there's no real skill here is very interesting so i actually don't like it as a post merge challenge i prefer it in the pre merge where i feel like that if i if i if i put something gross in front of me and this was the exact position in survivor the amazon. It's like well yeah. I don't want eat it that bad. I don't need an individual immunity That that badly but when you make it as part of the team challenge and that's like okay. Well i could decide. I don't wanna eat it but now my whole team is going to be mad for not eating it like i think it's you should always be a team challenge as opposed to the team gets to pick. Oh like okay for the tiebreaker. Who's the person that you picked up. Put up there is less stakes for individual immunity. Oh i like it. I like what you're saying. So i agree with you but i think that caveat is when it's the episode right after the merge. Are you ever really that comfortable hundred percent that you'd be like i'm confident in my favorites especially when you've no idea what's happened on the other tribe and if i'm looking at that aren strive i'm like they might be a totally new tribe now. Andrew malcolm eddie rental brenda like they have so much. Common sherry was at the bottom anyway. So i agree i agree ninety percent i think the ten percent it works right after the merge. Because you just don't have the opportunity to really like discussing see where you're at. It is exciting to see cochran. Get his first win here against malka where they have this like this great matchup because i do think that survivor walks away from this season with sort of like the two new faces of the franchise in malcolm and cochran here at the end of twenty six to have them go head to head in this battled cochran walkway and he's like a boxer after he wins like i think it's a really great moment in the season and just like a really exciting thing to have happened at this point. Every is excited to cochran. Yeah i like it. i also liked it. He goes on to win more challenges than just this one. The one criticism. I have is like the way the deal jeff makes out of it and now like cochran sort of works that angle too. So it's fun between them but like later when cochran like does decent in the next challenge cochran on a tear. Like it's almost a little laughing at like legitimately one challenges against him yet. He has an advantage of them up but like he's winning physical like even the eating is physical right. The keys legitimately winning. And i think there's a little like too much shock about it but i but that's a small the narrative. Keep you like this part. I've heard for both malcolm and cochran that they were violently ill after eating the pig brain at the end of this show it. Yeah it's probably like. I can't even imagine it's disgusting. Yeah matching the loser there. At least cochran had something to like. You know eases ease his pain. Malcolm is like nothing you wanna do less than come in second place in that challenge. I'd rather you know be in last place. Yeah so getting back to the vote here okay. So the favorites are actually Snowed up by michael. They're they're ready to go into like they're going to give the korean. This easy vote here. Let's just vote for sherry. They're all willing to do it even though fill up. I don't know why we're not voting for read Ready ronald or eddie and so That but they say okay. We'll come on. Philip is being To mean to coron. Let's just vote for sherry. Let's let's give her what she wants year but then corrine goes to dawn and dawn is playing hard here to start off the merge. It's going to be like a turn for don's game but we are at the apex of don's game here over these next couple of oats and coron tells dawn that. Hey i've got a thing with malcolm and the guys were taking over this game. Not this vote but one way or one after this. Wait wait until you see what's going to happen on. Get it on the ground floor. What we're doing and gone goes back and tells all the favorites what's coming. The of the season right is timing. When is the right time in cochran like nails. That right caribbean just gets too excited about this idea. She she says it later. Like yeah i got screwed over because i went for like hot guys and again like that's like your textbook grid. I'm glad you can laugh about it. But it's like she had a semblance of a perfect plan and it's effing up the timing and underestimating don. And i think those were just nailed coffin. Yep and this is going to happen identically in the next vote with malcolm but what does this season look like if this group is able to pull this off where we are on a trajectory where the final the final six is potentially going to be a korean malcolm eddie or final five Korean malcolm eddie. Rental michael snow. I think it's an all time season. I think it's an iconic season. Who is malcolm. The wing became as i keep talking. Because he's wild. Finish at the end of the season. But yes so they turn on. They turn on korean. And it's a big blind side of coron. Philip brings sherry in at this point. Who is happy to be one of the votes against korean. And korean goes out Becomes the last person not to make the jury but but they're still the still a chance for that group that rag tag group because they don't necessarily know that malcolm was involved or at least malcolm doesn't feel like they know who what's going on and malcolm is like all right we can turn this against andrea. Who's the head of the snake. And so we see a pushier where malcolm is going to try to recruit dawn and says to dawn. Hey reynold has. The idol will idle andrea out of the game. Okay and then they go and start working on dawn and alley dawn strikes again. I think this also sort of telegraphs. Why all these people are angry at dawn and an unfair way right. They're not going to cochran these plans. And maybe it's because they underestimate donner thanksgiving. I think it's probably a lot to do with the relationships. They each feel like they have with. Don i wanna work with don don. We'll go with us. I can persuade don. And so the fact that she betrays them getting credit for clearly she'd be at the bottom of that alliance right like it would be so dumb for dawn to go with them and flip on philip when she's with cochran and locked in with up and locked in with andrea but she gets no credit for completely messing up their plan in a way that especially the darn thing if they just voted. Cherry didn't do anything she would have been totally screwed so it's not even like she just stays the course she flips the whole vote by by telling on grin so that it's another way we'll talk about. How don kinda got screwed here. But it's a testament to the relationship building that she was able to do. I did watch like through the prism in the post merge of like can you make a case because donor cochran or are you know. They're together the entire the entire him. Can you make a case that may be dawn. Should have one. Obviously she doesn't win primarily because people are so fed up with her you know she really loses it. According to them at the end but strategically we see like we said. Don't do just as many. You know we see maybe a sherry cochran conversation about brenda. Were cochran gets the credit there but dawn just probably just as much if not more than cochran and the fact that they were each other's you know locked in one and two He's never mentioned on the show right. It's nobody ever says. In the entire fourteen episodes of the season cochran. Dawn are are a pair. It never comes up. Even though in their minds they were cochran rights. I think tells you were says in an interview. After the season they met they had long conversations at the well every single day the same time or whatever other question rob and ali is we sherry makes the final three. We also never see her. Like get in get grey shaded in really with unless i'm wrong with the with the majority alliance right like it makes sense. Why she wouldn't be wishes can ask me amigos. Yep yeah she she does stuff are us name but like it. We don't really see her work in where she's so locked in that she makes the final three. There's no social aspect to that that we see part of it is that she's the like she knows in this moment that she's the target right of their first vote so i think at that point just a has heo in that also right. She hates any unreal. How does she get in that. She's like ahead of you know brandon andrea everybody in the pecking not to her credit. That she's ahead of them right. It's an andrews credit that they're voted out as threats and so i think that she's kind of just a number. But i think that post philip going home and i listened to my exit interviews with the final five before we did this podcast today and i had asked her like a for Because i was dawn and sherry. Were on the call together and i had asked. They did you to have a relationship in the game because it seems like that you were to were in similar positions and are of a similar age like did you have a good game and they said that they actually were very friendly in the game and cochran talked about how sherry brought him information. He felt like that he could trust her so i think that she becomes more ingratiated with this group. Like philip is sort of the conduit to sherry to start and then once philip is gone i think that dawn and cochran take over that. Don't you think not that i wanted to say. But if philip stays. I do think that maybe there is a schism where it becomes sherry with with philip versus cochran versus dawn. And that maybe there ends up being two sides there. It's no contest. Why understand but at lead but the season looks and then they're they're looking for the amigos were left in the andrea and brenda's to to jump to their side. It's a totally different scenario. Yes i think that andrea is also part of that that cochran had said that the original final four is supposed to be him andrea dawn and fill up and so then sherri there as a probably ends up getting used as upon to sort of get rid of andrea who had said philip and andrea had been scuffling a little bit. I wanna bring andrea into this. Because i think that she's very important in this next vote that comes up. Where that malcolm looks at andrea as the head of the snake alley at this point we also start to get the eddie andrea relationship which i think the show treats very earnestly. Yeah i mean we're sort of. I'm sort of confused right because andrew is telling us i'm using him but then also doesn't say that she's using him at all and it looks seems to like him a lot so i actually wasn't sure how i was supposed to take the editing the edited ed he andrea relationship. So i do think that andrea was looking at eddie and i maybe rental to a lesser degree as sort of like numbers for her But wants to. He looks at andrea as the person who is running things. When i don't believe that she actually is to me. I feel like that looking back at this. And i know i just came off of a season where i felt like that andrea side of the numbers couldn't get things together. I think that andrea and malcolm targeting each other is ultimately what makes this so easy for the conference side of things andrea swapped with malcolm with eddie with andrea. She's look she's played with philip before she has a comfort level with cochran. She can't wait to get back to them but if she kept her options more open and potentially wanted to go and take over what korean had going on with. Malcolm and eddie and reynolds and snowy like it's a different ballgame but i don't remember what her go ahead and give a new go. I don't think that's a better move for her. And i think what happens in the show. Is she basically. Like is keeping eddie and and i do think like she keeps him longer than necessary. Which makes me think like. Maybe she isn't just using him and genuinely likes being around him or trust him for no reason because he keeps voting for her. But that's a whole different story. But i don't think that's a better move for her. Especially because i do think the favorites alliance would have been loyal to her especially in hearing. That cochran said that that was his idea. For a top-four hitting fill up was very loyal to her and would have stayed loyal to her and then she can make a better case against a in a dawn then. Three amigos are very clearly going to be the most loyal to the three of them and they probably beat her. 'cause that's what happens on survivor. Right like a buff man beats a blonde woman. So i so. I don't think it would've behooved her to make that switch. I'm just looking at it. With revisionist history in mind in that she gets blindsided at the final seven anyway with the side and it is right after malcolm goes out the i just feel like that her malcolm like had the same pieces potentially where she's trying to pick up and work with eddie later on or at least looks at eddie as a number malcolm had eddie and reynold but the two of them are shooting at each other and then ultimately go out back to back. Well now terrible reads. I think the entire game like truly like the way he calls for reynolds. I mean that's cool and exciting but it's it's played wrong. He i mean it would be insane to say that he should have not played the to idols him. Eddie but In terms of like holding it. Because he who knew that eric was gonna flip. But i think even voting fill about there was a complete insane move and i agree. That targeting i understand why andrea targets malcolm. I don't understand. Why malcolm targets andrea as one of the favorites whose only one of the only favorites to demonstrate a willingness to talk to the other side. Yeah do they have a conversation with brenda. Like i said like go after somebody else. It doesn't really make any sense Its stringent both ends because like ali said eighty votes for andrew twice. She votes for him once. They should be working together. What is andrews game like. I i guess we know she thinks it's gonna be cochran and then fill up and then when phillips gone who clearly not brenda not dawn. Because she's trying to vote them both both cochran and andrea. I think shared eric. Potentially she's looking at reichen back as also game free though congress to cochran's going into the final four with andrea eric. It's just andrew. Was i think two locked in and this is really what cochran wins. Because eric thinks he's cochran number one andrea thinks she's cochran number one dawn number one sheri's there. Everyone thinks that they you know he's kim's spradlin. Almost everyone thinks that that he's there one and You know. I don't know andrea's jazz to be a little more realistic that there's no scenario where we're like. She can cut franny in the first episode. But combines never gonna cut her because they maybe were friendly before it doesn't make any sense to may inexplicably think they can beat him to which makes no sense. Say that necessarily but it's like andreas constantly. Her wheels are constantly turning about who she can and can't beat at the end and she's having those conversations with cochran and that's the person may be the only person who could really be besides malcolm and perhaps that maybe they're looking at cochran. Well i'll beat him in the final four challenge then just sort of like Like he won't beat me for the final challenge and then we'll just knock him off then at that point and then not having be in the final challenge east cochran. We'll go ahead. I'll say about injury like i guess. I complained that the season has especially the first half of the season as such like a pall of negative energy andrea has more positive energy than briskly. Anybody's ever been on the show. She's just like a ray of sunshine. She even when she's even when she's getting even when she's getting voted out like she. She said she did all wars. You guys yeah. G. plays very hard but she is a little bit. I mean cochran keeps telling you like watching this fan. But so is android. She's the best she's the best. She tickles surrey. After she gets voted off in game changers. She's like you realize it's not even personal for thirty seconds. Brenda and and you know half the other. Half the cast is holding grudges until the until the reunion and to add to that the She's also an incredible juror. Should very fair never can never comes in with salt and the final tribal council three-time juror. She knows what she's doing. She was a breath of fresh air particularly in this jury again. We'll talk about it but But yeah i mean the thing with andrew though. It's like the old school this sort of like what old new school survivor. I never really understand where the survivor. A new old. The new old hotness but she like to me the fact that she says brenda is a huge threat to win. Hits me like a time warp. Where i'm like. Oh right like people used to think like osias no blood on her hands and she's just a challenge beast and she's done nothing in this game to offend anyone. She is going to win if she gets the end. I mean you're looking at me like maybe people still say that today like to me i would never think of brenda's someone who could have won this season. She would have been a goat like cherry. Yeah maybe not maybe not lake sherry and then dawn dawn to me rings. More of the jeremy energy of like if she gets to the end she's got six kids and people will fall for understand why people think don's read. I have no understanding. I feel like in today's survivor. Brenda two point. Zero would not be a threat to win the game. You wonder if this is a period of time because of what happens in this season that sort of like an evolution to get to the point of like here are my resume points of like here are the challenges that i've won here are the moves that i've made. Here's my the th the timing of my move that i made here the skill set that i brought to the table where then the sherry and dawn get rip for. What did you even do Which we end up seeing so much more in the modern final tribal councils madan to. It's very much like you need to own it. I mean what. I'm like so frustrated. We'll get there. We have the two best boats. The season coming up here with michael snow is gonna get a voted out. and this is a tribal council. Where eddie tells andrea that she is on the chopping block that sends andrea into a frenzy. The favorites were going to blindside malcolm here and then ultimately because andrew concerned that malcolm is going to have an idol so they ended up switching the vote to michael. Who's going to be a safe vote because everybody knows michael. Snow doesn't have an idol. And they get to the tribal council and there's a lot of talk about how there's going to be big moves happening and who they trust and everybody votes and reynolds stands up. And he's gonna play his out his idol and malcolm says Hold up reynold. I fully let me play. hold up. Row his hold up man added. Hold up hold up. Grow artistic license taken. I is interesting. It's like that never actually happened. It's like the luke i am. Your father beam me up scotty. Two things in key has never heard before. So reynolds places idol on malcolm who does not get any votes because they were favorites already. Switched it and michael. Snow goes home and this stat. Not to i guess i was knocking andras relationship with eddie but this is a direct result of her relationship with that he that she has this information that she gets the information that reynolds don also sort of gets the information but i also think kudos to andrew here for trusting her up because when dawn is basically breaking down saying you're gonna ruin my game essentially switching this vote. You're going to all the hard work that i've done. Kudos to andrew for switching to vote anyway because basically don and cochran position is. Let's take a shot and get malcolm out. If you're right then you'll go home like whatever. So i think andrea really sticking to her own plan by nazi. I guess saves her game. I think a lot of other people might have gone home in the spot alley to add to your point about malcolm not having great reads Also notes from outcome at this trouble although there was talk of malcolm earlier in the round to to vote for him but i thought that this is don's episode of the whole season akiva. Yeah i do think it starts going downhill for don after this is this is after that but i do think you are. I mean she still does some good things. But i i think you are right. Now if you're scoring a fight between cochran and dawn. I do think donna's winning. Obviously she's not gonna win. I mean what has he done yet. No nothing nothing. And they're really hiding him like maybe he's done stuff and they don't make it too obvious. Even though the idea of even voting out cochran never comes up at any point during the season mourn it also does not come up To vote i dawn so other than other than andrew. Bring it up so i yeah i agree. This is a good moment for dawn. Who right now is not a winner. Set it she's looking pretty solid to go ahead and cochran has been sort of like the therapist of the tribe. And that's sort of how he explains a relationship of that. He was basically a confidante for every single person where he could sort of talk them through whatever they were had going on but not in a way where he the p the people felt like. They were helping. They were helping him. Where maybe that might have been going on. More in his first season wear that he was going to other people like sophie or whoever to sort of like talk him through his anxiousness he was sort of being. The person who other people were coming to him with their problems and he was sort of being like a sympathetic ear. As opposed to wear dawn going to need sympathetic ears from people. What i think cochran does better than don in this episode. Although i agree if i'm referee scoring i don't really understand that. But if i'm scoring the fight as akiva. Says i think john is winning but what cochran starts doing here that he does really well. I think he knows when to push and when to pull back where like. He has the same conversation about malcolm versus knowing with andrew. And he's sort of like we get malcolm okay if you don't feel comfortable. He's sort of like. I'm not going to pick this fight. Because ultimately malcolm's a dead man walking it you don't really need and john loses her mind over the idea that they wouldn't put this plan onto effect. Don is right to like better for them if they pushed malcolm here but cochran kind of see the forest through the trees. Better and say i'm not gonna use my capital here with andrea and i'm going to support her because i don't really need this to happen. So but don so much work also and if you haven't watched the episode so with that malcolm feels like all right we can get on board with us. She'll vote why i don't know. Why on earth malcolm thought that don was going to be ready to flip and jump with eddie and reynold and michael snow here at this juncture. But they felt like they would and then he said hey we this rental has an idol and sh- don says hey. I don't believe you. I need to see the idol. And so they arrange like this backdrop for like reynolds. Show the idol to dawn. And she's like okay. I see it now all right. I'm good i'm good. And then she has a great conventional. But she's like you know what shame on you for showing me the idol. Your your was on the exact thing that ever is wanting her to do at the end of the game. she's doing it here like really like saying like hey. I came here to play hard. I'm playing hard. You made a big mistake. You show me the idle and you're gonna pay for it tonight and it stinks but andrew also got that information through eddie and made an alternate plan and like that's and i think you need to be it's like i understand if i put all that work and i would be devastated to or disappointed and but like i think basically what she communicates to andrea there is. I don't care. If i'm risking your. I'm willing to risk your life in the game. Because i worked hard on this plan and i don't think you can communicate that your allies. I don't think it's catastrophic. But if i'm saying cochran did something better here. And maybe it's because he's not as emotional about it because he didn't do as much to he didn't do anything to get it done but i do think he handles. What would be a better losing the opportunity to do something that would be better for his game. One other thing about this minor thing about this episode. Br the immunity challenge which brenda wins which is holding your water under the sea under upgrade walked in. She's like what are they trying to murder. What does that mean like. She was horrified. It is really. I don't have we ever seen that before after. I think we've not. I think we've certainly seen it many times before. I'm trying to air her. Yeah i'm trying to remember the time after. It's not a great challenge when you don't know you one until after come tell you. I kind of love that. She's like i'll be here. I'll be here till i die. I'm randy is great. Like brenda is is all time An all time What's it called long long term. Challenge person where she'll she'll go. An endurance john's personal. She'll go five hours a she's really good in the challenges the entire post merge. But man. I don't know that that is a rough john. I can't believe people less than even ten minutes in that jealous. I mean in that way with brenda. Actually i think she saves a lot of the seasons challenges by not doing the sort of like chocolates all arrange it for twenty to win or whoever wins that game that way. I don't agree with that. People think it's she's the challenge right right but still she seems for us because if those last immunity challenges were all just like okay reynolds gone. Who wants to win. it brother style never win anyway. Yeah the bras. Don't go into your just a fact. Check that that is the third time survivor ran that challenge. It had been run in the previous fans versus favorites. I'm not sure if that was the thing that they're trying to do. A lot of challenges from the original famous favorites but it has not been done since. So maybe People came down on the side of america and said that What are we trying to kill people at this. Also you also can't really be like. Hey who wants donuts. When they can't hear you you scuba diver. Ask them or something. Now would be amazing. What i love. That they didn't do is like eric. You ran this challenge in fans or disabled eight trope of like. Let's see if you can do it. Better than molest star for wasn't i'm eddie yet. The show wasn't as a matter which as it is now back then reference now though jeff reference everything that ever. I mean immunity necklace. They were. They're going to get their moment of the show. My my new trivia. Okay all right one more question about this. Keep us here. I feel like more needs to be discussed on malcolm. Just calling for reynolds and him saying yeah. No no works that way. That's another fans versus favored thing where it's like malcolm and not like you're also had his own idol right but but he but reynold. I think remove actually was a fan of the show. At least he says in interviews that he was a fan of the show. And so it's like malcolm a guy he would probably or he had urged odd. Yeah okay so never mind. Somehow the fans must remember your packets. Well i know. I was only thinking the favorites. I forgot that the fans don't wait at home until the day before regardless. I think that that sort of this weird. I would expect to be favorites versus fan situation. Where like fan caught now moment. He caught him right in the moment. If he has a conversation before tribal and says. I think it might be me. Give me your idol. I feel like he says no way i can do that. But in that moment he's like i guess if reynold goes out there i mean is nothing to read old throwing numbers. You're thinking. Their conversation happens in real time. Also like hey you. You voted for me. I forget come up on the show. Who did you vote for. Now if you don was not you. Don't worry about it andrea. Yeah yeah i mean that was ballsy. it was bold. It's fine that malcolm. Had the ron read though. Because like how larry is that was he's not playing around. Also we talked about andrea. Good sport when she gets voted out. akiva michael also gets very He calls everybody turkeys When he gets voted out by. I love michael snow on the show. He's god yeah. I think he's a little to normal again. Similar not a bad person probably to normal to be on the show. Yeah so he. I was think he never had room to play like he just kept having. I think. Hit the fans tribe kind of looks out on the fans tribe that the sort of like older less cool group like stay in control so he's never really at risk he makes good bonds with people and then i feel like he's just in an untenable situation as a fan amongst these favorites. I don't really like snowy. And i think he also i read his interview in e w like the quarantine chronicles doing and the questionnaire and he says like my story wasn't like i don't know why but they didn't want to tell my story on the show so maybe he had more give or felt like he gave more and it just like didn't show up. I mean maybe it's because he ended up not really being relevant to the season. Take like an optimistic. take on why. they didn't say more. But i really do spoiler alert. Who i'm going to say. I really want to see again. I would love deceased now a play a second time. This a fun guy that we didn't get to see Too much from him. And one of the real fans that were in the fans tribe and frankly not to shade korean here. I'm not trying to make her like an enemy to lgbt community. I certainly don't have the authority to do that. But a lot of the stuff. That's no he gets is just koreans assessment of him as a gay. Oh this is my gay blah blah blah. I have my goal michael. We don't really get to see his perspective of gramlich. Like i think he likes current water. He said like oh. I talked to my girlfriend. Whatever in the interview. So i'm not gonna say that he has had wiltord sorry. I think he prefers michael but yeah it's not. He's not being able to tell his own story. It's all through the lens. Or as cuba would say the prism of breads perception. If you're wondering if we're viewing this through a two thousand twenty one lens no it was weird then compared to rudy. Okay then we get the tenth episode of the season. And of course i b. I think this is the seasons. High water mark even So hi brenda. Can't breathe that this is The whole the three amigos tribal council a monumental moment in Live tribals and big moves. Yes my favorite tribal ever. I like it more than any of the heroes villains travels. This is why one the reasons that shows the season it's it's it's so unique writer could shoot has been replicated where it's the minority lions is like we're all immune. You guys have to pick one one of you and by the way we're gonna take the guy who sapping all the fun out of the season. i mean. it's such a fist pump moment. Imagine if this was. If i don't believe it was like alive. No at all and this happens. It's just won't it was a and there. There's a archives account that somebody Picks out moments and they happen to share the moment This week where. I was way high on the three amigos and this travel council. I really thought this was going to change up the whole game Steven was Really poo. Pooing it and to the point where you wonder to what degree may be stephen. Cochran had talked You know also yeah. Also then sofi came in the next like on the recap episode and also. There is no chance that this is the worst movie. I've ever seen in my life but you don't think that it was no no no no you never make the university copperheads bomb on the voice. Yeah stephen sophie were so down on the smooth but allie was so exciting. No i love it. It's the only real time we get like. We said malcolm's really the only resistance. And this is really the only time he gets any success in a move like this. It's so cool that he pulls it out and he's like. Oh yeah. I've had this other one for a while like it's so cool that they think they can anticipate because they saw him find the idol and he's like you have no idea it's great in this case that reynold wins the immunity necklace. A little stinks that. It takes three immunities to get rid of philip when i do think it's worth discussing whether that was worthwhile that that was the right person to take out there but for the season. It's definitely the high point when it comes to fun like a key as it gets rid of the person who's been sort of soul-sucking arrest of the last few episodes and you for them like i hate reynold at this point in the season but like you're rooting for this to work. And you're almost rooting for them to not play the idol. Unlike for malcolm to be able to keep that so exciting. And i love also the the brilliance of eric. Being the one to say like this could be a double fake and they could not use the idol. And he's the only one who what really i mean i think ultimately this was discussed ad nauseam at the time. Oh no but i'm just like going back to my two thousand thirteen brain here. I think if you like in terms of playing at verse not playing it. I think you can make a case for not playing. You're not always going to have somebody. Immune obviously these three guys. Don't win a lot of immunities but then you just don't say who you're voting for because then you real pandemonium and then and then and then it's just you know they probably have to maybe make a decision there. They might have to say like at tribal a either. We're going to take a risk or we're going to like. Reveal our chips here by saying oops at gerry. Oops it's philip. You know we've seen that at the threat the like one of us. I'm gonna use this on one of us so you should but i agree. I think even if you are going to play it you don't say who you're voting for. I guess you a little control. But i think what would be necessary for this to actually matter next week that you've create you've exposed fracture that you see who wanted to vote out. Who and then. That's going to be what you capitalize on the next week. So that i've also talked about survivor worlds apart earlier. This year and mike holloway ends up doing a better job than this that he sort of builds off of what goes wrong here for the three amigos where mike is. Mike is immune and has an idol. And he says tonight. I'm giving my idol to shreen. He's gonna play. He's gonna play the idol for sharing. I forget if he lets her hold it. Also and ultimately that tribal council that alliance of six. Dan go to votes so they he ends up getting them firing at each other. Even though charene goes home at that tribal council. And i think that for malcolm the better move would have been with all due respect to eddie of. Don't play an idol on eddie you know. Say i'm gonna play night on eddie. And i'm putting a vote on philip and then these guys are putting votes on people so vote on you know. We're we're we're voted for different people. He made it kinda easy. I think that cochran actually catches a break. Philip go out of the game in this spot and ultimately could i think malcolm he ultimately will go to the auction and get a clue night on which he never finds that. I think that he's better off without eddie and with another idol his hand going into the next round. Will you do lose. Eddie right the four four revolt you. If you don't play the idol on eta here assuming that yeah that the everything i mean why would why would it change. Something that didn't happen. That already happened Yeah i. I hear what you're saying. Like if you're malcolm i i just don't i i think speaking my calloway. He's a good person to talk about here. It's the only way a malcolm reynolds win this game to immunity themselves to the like the we have already seen enough proof. And we're going to see it over the next episodes. We get hints of like eric and and other people talking about it. Brenda never flipping eric's never flipping andrews never fully. None of them were ever flipping. Which is one of the frustrations. We're never going to have that move at seven or or it's like it just never going to happen. They're always there like you guys said they're drawing dead. Yeah yeah well. That's too to rob's point anything. One of a mistake is saying. It's philip and be the mistake is losing one of those items and exactly you protect yourself. You don't actually protect eddie. Because it's not even like they have five and they just need one to flip like they need. What three people like. I'm writing down. Who's here like if exchange. Let's this yeah okay. So let's say all of them all three of them survive. It's still six to three years. Still need more people to split like maybe rely on them to split of. They're never going to split it three three votes so like i. It's it's a keeping editor eddie. Keeping eddie isn't worth it because even when you keep any you have so much more work to do next week. The idol obviously hindsight's twenty twenty. Malcolm ends up going out next. But at least having the idol in his pocket would have guaranteed him three more and he's another guy have to compete within the immunity. Challenge is also and so you know. Potentially you're able to maybe maneuver a little bit more as like a duo as opposed to a trio where people are going to have all eyes on you so look it was great. We loved it highpoint of the season but for all three of those guys to be immune it that one spot was great but i think that malcolm with with two idols. That was a lot of draft capital to give up that night. Akiva well it was also not not to cast aspersions but the most fortuitous idle. Find in the history of the show on my way to tribal. Oh it's right here on basically on the in the middle of the road are you calling what Find it in the rock face. Yeah you don't think they were all. It was an open idaho. Yes but the fact that it gets found what seems like ten minutes before tribal you know to create the sort of not that it had to go to malcolm but i think they're like all right. We're gonna put another idol that one that didn't bother me It's actually in a later episode. I think that there's something that i feel like. It's a little a little bit more of an eyebrow raise from me on Coming up but overall this was great. This is still. It's still exciting. You've listened to hold up row. I maybe once every eighteen months over who holds up disaster is a reminder that you have or you just think of it. No i just i just get stuck in my head like i would. I don't like to sing to not inside the size because my wife is terrible. But i would take it. Google it google. If you don't know if you hold okay made with legos. google italy's yes. And then i also feel like there was something about this. That was just so special and akiva. I kind of feel like survivor for the years after this like i feel like that. They've tried to chase this to like. This was such a like this kind of stuff did not happen all the time and i felt that's has tried so hard to make this like a regular occurrence on the show that if you get did get something like this would not feel a specialist. This felt right but what you're saying is true. It's as crazy as this was for anybody. Watch it now and as awesome. It's still holds up. It was even cooler than because we've had of of this in the last fourteen and it was just like so unprecedent. Didn't so awesome. Yeah to idols being played. This is so great. i mean. I'm watching advantage. Get in last week Where all these idols are being played and it's like this is terrible. I hate that too much. It's too much but this was. This was so great because it was unprecedented. What are of like it's on par with like the poverty Idol doling out. Right let gets aches historic like youth as much as you might hate care and like you. Everybody remembers this. This moment and malcolm is great as them at the height of his powers where they're talking at the tribal council. Malcolm is losing strength train of thought. He's like oh wait. Where was i. Oh yeah that's right. We're not going home. His line there and ultimately yeah philip no-shirt on elliott that. This is unprecedented also. Okay i thought that and then it was like no like survivor. people are naked all the time like. I'm not going to bring that up. But i'm so glad you did because it did. It did shock me as someone who hasn't really rewatch seasons. It felt very out of place informal. I don't think there's another topless contestant that ever gets voted out of the show. I think for one for practical reasons of that where they put the microphone. Bathing suits though. Women have been voting out voted out and just their bathing suit. He could put a live mic on. Somebody's bathing suit but if somebody's not wearing a shirt like a lot of equity feel like he's got like his on his neck like okay. I think the mike and the buff. Yeah i i can't i can't remember neck neck piece Yeah it's philip. Usually shirtless that tribal or is it. I don't know if must've been tight. Is that a sign that he was so confident he wasn't gonna be was getting hot in here pants. I don't have an idol. We're nothin' pre merge when they go in the challenge to get rid of brandon a lot of the favourite show up not wearing shoes. And i thought that was very like oh. They're not running this challenge. They're not wearing their shoes trying. Like i've never seen people show up to a challenge totally barefoot when they walk in of that also restrained cochran is also good appetite for the audience at that travel council talking about like how. This is the craziest tribal. He's ever watched that votes. Whatever happens is why. I love survivor. It's all it's all great stuff. I think that josh. And i spent about like Just under an hour breaking this all down in the evolution strategy. Not that. I remember i was like. Are you going to convince me that. The wiggle room was happening note circle. Okay all right. Then you imagine the wand though or would have been great. Yeah we're going to get the auction here in the next episode. I get a lot of reaction to the big three amigos tribal council. But we're going to get the auction which sets up malcolm buying a clue to the idol. Although malcolm undisciplined alley Comes in knows he needs something here. Jeff props opens the bidding alright beer in peanuts. All right. it's like kramer out of the contest. I don't think we hear how much he bids right. No i twenty bucks dollars. Yeah i actually think that's a great tool for the auction is to force people so that that's the way you're not going to have everyone with five hundred bucks at the end is like i twenty bucks. I don't blame him. He really looks out that nobody bids the five hundred just to keep him from idle clue. I think it's because okay well. We'll get at eero. Get reynold like we're not again not that desperate to get malcolm out but it is no it is a good point because it's first of all. Were only two seasons away from the snap into the call. Spencer tony five hundred dollars. It is it is really a blight on everybody's game that they let him get this crazy. Who cares right. He's most likely to find the idol. Anyway you operate like he has it. There are three of them. They can't pull this. You can get the idol if you get the clue like brenda is not willing to throw the challenge. She can't try confident in this like majority. It's definitely it's also a season for whatever reason again that they seem very undernourished hungry. It's a good point. Yeah it seems like the everybody's really looking for food here that i'm not sure exactly the math. I know cochran is going to buy an advantage in the challenge. But i'm not sure if that he spend any money on food also here. Because i don't think he goes five hundred for the advanced house letter right. Yeah so we can get a the monty hall problem here. On reynolds buys a slice of pizza sherry ends up covered items. Cochran tells them to switch alley. This was like a winner. Edit right here for you know if cochran is telling you to switch and you don't switch switch but he could have switched to. The on was also love reynolds like. I don't trust you nerd. I mean that's not but that's that's the tone sherry snapping though five hundred on a had pacman shape disgusting like once. You could see that pizza. They you're right. Food must have been very scared because that pizza look terrible and then dawn me. He goes all in our roast chicken. Also akiva against roast chicken chicken. I'm against going all in the sight of my imprint. Something like a little bit a little bit. More sweet than Savory i hear you want your protein. Yeah the everyone gets something. Here is one of the rare auctions where everyone everyone gets something. You're having benda's cobb rain or the peanut butter that every Britain and often. I think in the auction there is stuff we don't see because we're not. It's not like they're showing like how much money everybody has left and stuff i do. Think there's maybe a pig ish aspect where like you don't wanna be who buy yes by two or three who buys two or three things and then you know and and you're being greedy but Are people worried about saving greedy at the auction. Hot tv tape. No i think. I think it's true. I think if you ask all. I got too many deals at the auction. Better let somebody else have something like you have a limited amount of money. I'm sure i'm sure it's probably been a thing like hey you already ate while you bidding against me you know i can see beginning home. My wife being like you spent two hundred forty dollars on peanut butter. It stinks that that goes for the whole day. Here's the twist you blew your money. Everybody gets to put their disgusting hands. You all these auctions. In the twenties of that i've watched in right one world. Yeah there's a they do that with a cake in redemption island of they they just love. Seeing the survivors like Like a piranha frenzy on one thing. What's child isn't that a challenge where they have to rip off the most yes. That's different than i don't wanna see this like Grin that back. That's i want that to come back in south pacific also which was but anyway. The brenda gets screwed. She gets the pig brain and the covered item. She's saying she's so hungry and then she tastes it and it keeps remember. I don't eat pork. That is funny Little call survivor. Africa maybe Yeah i listen another thing. It would be hard for me to be out there too much. Pig need don't get no. I'm not both don't don't eat the bacon. Yeah we're jus again. That was very ballsy though to bring the pig brain back out after cochran and malcolm violently sick from is it the same type a pig brain the same. They probably bought one pig brain and then had won't do with the rest of you stick it in the auction. How do you prepare it. How do you prepare their. It looked unprepared to go back to gross things. That brenda had to eat i. I don't think i appreciated that. When you boil seawater. It doesn't go clear. Like i say or the well like she was drinking water before the challenge that looked like jacob jones had been in the dark. Yeah so i don't. I don't know what their situation. I crossed the line on. This goes sometimes sira lead the well we see the well. The water we usually seems seasons. The survivors have to boil their water. And other times you see them like like go to the well like i think when a modern seasons in fiji they're going from the well right into your your bottle in the amazon like we were like like bring the pitcher down to the rio negro and then get somebody's shirt and then pour the water through it and you were drinking a snapple and that was the water. It's great yeah. Brennan water looked refreshed. They might have had boil the water and season that. I want to talk about we. We skipped over dawn. Losing her teeth and brenda having to go in the water. But we'll come back. Come back and talk about that. Yeah but Yeah we get the the no letters for dawn or sherry. That was a little harsh to not. Let the two moms Get their letters but a bad bidding strategy on going all in on the pizza and the roast chicken thing really quickly. Sorry about the leading. Malcolm have the idol clue. I do think it stinks a little bit to have like. How frequently are there to advantage type thing in an auction. I don't remember getting having an advantage and also a clue. Like i think now conservative get screwed. Because besides the fact that he doesn't end up finding better off with the advantage the advantages. I think the thing you want because it live with. Yeah not the win the challenge. Yeah also the fact. You don't get to take the clue back with you. It's like sixty seconds to look at this and not like wouldn't remember to have it. That's interesting so i kind of feel like that the fact that there are two things there and then in the next challenge or we're going to get the win when it's brenda andrea standing on the doghouse and not only it was an immunity but it was also a clue to the idol that you got to win like it does feel like that they are kinda like trying to maybe chasing the three amigos thing of okay. How do we get like a stack. The deck so multiple immunities could be given out here. Are we are. You surprised at all that assume andrea got the clue that malcolm saw because malcolm had gotten so so. Why couldn't malcolm tell reynolds. I was kind of surprised. That reynold and eddie weren't aware at least somehow of the idol. Why didn't he recruit the guys to help him on the idol. Fine yeah like at that point. It's like the probably give it to you. Rental already played an idol on eddie. At least we go all screwy right or i was surprised that they weren't looking for the. I know that like after malcolm leaves that ronald nettie didn't know where the clueless good point keep any thoughts on the vat of peanut butter It's interesting that peanut butter is one of the most coveted foods for survivors. Were very hungry. It doesn't do anything for me. I can't imagine have cravings for fat and it's protea. I can tell you it's nutritionally dense. You crave things that like. I have never wanted. Marshmallow fluff in my entire life. And i'd be like oh my god. How great would that be just like Like melted marshmallow. You see you crave like whatever things have like the most like sugar and calories in it. I fast all the time. And i never think about peanut butter tax 'gate-keeping fast what flex thirty nine i mean. Look i my dad. Used to always tell the story about this hiker who like like packed very efficiently like everything nutritiously perfect and whatever and that. He said he would say that. This might be a famous story. And i don't remember. The details of the bottom line is the guy would have dreams and was just drinking a bottle of salad oil like salad dressing or canola oil because he craves fat basically So don't judge survivors. I mean i love peanut butter. I feel like that would be a number one thing. But if i'm rubbing it on my face like they said you could put it all over your body and the worst thing is that they're scraping it to repurpose of relievers. You're gonna phillips going to be gone. He's going to be eating peanut butter. That would just like coding and just as greasy as i mean. I've never been starving like that. I don't fast often. And i wasn't on survivor but that was disgusting. Yeah i mean the created major problems in the real world san francisco house to have even pucks fingers feet. Yeah but yeah but Like sherry is like a feeding cochran. Jeff was like. Oh hey how often does this happen. You'd be surprised wicketkeeper. Can i ask you a personal question. Okay this is my ngo jiri cutout that you asked me. That was inappropriate. And this is on. Rob's time future. If you work on. Allie from the editing rooms. Maybe turn it down from three seven so if you on survivor and i guess you'd have to put yourself in the position. Someone who really wanted to be on survivor. And you're on survivor. And once in a lifetime and i feel like this happens vegan. Vegetarians go on and then they end up eating meat at a reward. Because like you have to eat like if there's pork there are you like. I'm thirty nine days. Survival mode like all like you know you all. Just in case anybody who is a new listener that o. Splayed keeps kosher. Yeah i will be added. I ask us. Is this too personal. I do get emails. I'd say every few months especially when survivors on the air From orthodox jewish listeners. Who ask if they think if. I think they could go out there. I'd say i've gotten ten twenty of those emails which is like do you think it's possible. And beyond maybe the scope of this conversation is maybe it's more possible on big brother where it's actually happened capping kosher. No it's not. It's not really possible. At like the like super orthodox level but i just wouldn't go out. There is the answer the question. There's no scenario where it would be able to go out there But to each their own do it right. But that's obviously much easier wouldn't eat. I know there's no scenario where i would ever eat pig. Even for fifty million an a an issue with the rice. No i you could probably make the rights. okay. I will say i have a friend. I won't say i won't say her name. Who went on a fan version of this isn't me. It's not other friends. Yes win on a fan version of survivor and eight. is a vegan and the like the gross foods pig to win a challenge and then ended up winning the season. So people will do it for five hundred dollars. But i i wouldn't i would. Yeah i think if you win. I think it's Maybe yeah read that also. Yeah okay all right so yeah. Malcolm is going to go off and go in. Look for the idol. Meanwhile i did not remember this at all alley sherry has like a thawing where she's like. Hey the guy's keeping the challenges. Maybe i should work with them. Yeah i mean not to me strikes me as just like gone producers being like would you think of working with the good work with them. I don't know that she's ever really gonna move. Do you think she should have moved. No right she gets to the final three. I mean. i don't know what there's no scenario where sherry with the final two. I don't think there's anybody sherry can be. I think she does she perceived right but the question of should she move is like her perception of her own which i still think she loses to any of those boys in the end regardless because they get credit for flipping her rather than her getting credit for flipping. Yeah so malcolm is going to go on a hunt for the idol and the idol ends up. The idol hunt was futile akiva andrea ends up blocking him from successfully finding the idol. I think andrew got in his head. I think she did it. We only see him sort of giving up. We don't even see him looking hard. They're just they're not even looking. They're just sort of sitting by the well the whole time. I don't know if they're talking. I mean there's a lot of references and we only see a talked about but never in actuality where the majority lines is not even allowed to talk to the amigos. So i don't know if maybe this is the one place they're allowed to have like a social conversation. Forget about strategy leaves. The ban is lifted. Shimon had a ban also about Reynold was not allowed to talk to him and eddie was not allowed to talk to him but only because he's friends with reynolds only would not be allowed to talk to me either so i completely understand that why because i don't like him. I have thoughts about really haven't talked about ronald. But he's boots coming up pretty soon right now. Yeah well let's get through malcolm the malcolm boot because that says the reunion show that jeff acid. Why did you just looking for the idol. No my hands were bloody. i couldn't. I couldn't end up finding it. But he's he's never able to find this item. He says he found three other idols and his survivor career. He had the map to this one and couldn't find it. And i just thought that the interesting because alli i've also talked about andrea idol in Survivor ghost island earlier this year. And that did not get mentioned in this being a cursed idol that went to the island that malcolm bought the the clue to this idol at an auction and could not find it and god the game because he could not find it andrea did find it. She got voted out of the game. I think we're gonna it to the legacy of this cursed idol. I agree but i think to keep us point. It's like the story of this. Is that andrea blocked him. Nothing couldn't find it. Even though i think the real story is he couldn't find it because he has no problem looking in front of don and andrea for the other idol. So i don't think she really blocks them. But i think that would be sort of inconsistent with the editor of the show. Yeah no it's terrible idle garbage and andrea laws and so even when this island that this whole thing which is like my mom would kill me if i sold it. I'll have this forever like you don't have a lawsuit now so that's even more true. Somebody has that. Yeah okay if you found it on the streets like what is this garbage the throw it out but yeah kind of like a quiet exit. Then for malcolm akiva really. His big moment came in the last round Sort of like a you know you know goes quietly into the night milk malcolm a lot. He did not have a good season here. Let's be honest. He had one great basically right he. There's he'd never even come close to getting in with majority to flipping a single person when usually needs to flip to like. I like malcolm but you do see. I think diminishing returns of malcolm every time he plays. I don't want this to come across a sacrilege alley. But then then what did malcolm do like. Where's like saying like malcolm is considered an all time. Great if he's not great here and then he's not great in game changers is it. Is it all on philippines. And what's the what's the big move philippines right not not being zane voting out artists. Here's a thing malcolm is so likable. He reynold role but he pulls it off and he's still manages to be likable which is not an easy feat to accomplish I do think this is his weakest season. Although i'd have to rewatch game changers probably I think he does have a lot of goodwill built from philippines. I mean who wasn't rooting for malcolm. I love denise but you're rooting for malcolm. He gets ripped away from you. You feel like you would've won the season. They even say that at the top of this one. He was one little pebble. Immunity challenge away from winning that whole season. And he's again. He's the only resistance. We have this entire season so while he doesn't get close to pulling off and he doesn't get close enough in the end for to make a difference and he doesn't win out or win anything he at least gives us those two good at the two best episodes of the season and he's the only reason we have any hope so i understand why he was gone long ago right right. He wins fan favorite because he makes three amigos sort of redeem ball and he gives them a shot. A okay and i love malcolm. I don t come across to rated. We'll maybe maybe okay all right. So reynolds still rated. Is he still like. I don't think he'd be on anyone's top ten best survivor players when he. I don't know if he'd be on top ten best players. But i think he's still very highly rated. Then what's the ratings system best not to win. I think he's very yeah very very high on that list. While it's the hair i love. Jeff says the hair is good. Everything and she's like both Belgium get a blowout for the finale. Yes someone did his hair. Yes wild as wild okay. We have not talked much about reynold reynolds going to go in the first part of the double episode. They love to get andrey on the double episode here on survivor That reynolds is not gonna be able to win immunity. He goes out in the first half of the double alley. I feel like you've had a lot chambered ready to go on reynolds. Your ronald sucks. Like obviously right like that's his whole persona he's this lies mccheese mall like i'm the best at everything guy. This is going to be so easy for me. I've got my main bro. And just the way. He talks about alley she. It's so because she's not the cutest girl on the beach. That i would be into her and then of course. We're the cool kids. Well he like antagonized us shimmer and thinks he's such a jerk. We've already covered that The way he talks about. Oh oh god. No one's worth f in any way like when they have that reward with cochran michael and eddie he said something like that like a quote that that that's all my god when they go out with. Eddie ro- roll back the tape. I missed that one. Yeah shocking in fairness i might be watching the rewards faster speed. Hope isn't even his girl alleyways. Now maybe if. I miss attributing that to eddie. I apologize for asking me who was more likely to say that. We all transcribe a classic. Eddie line in the next episode. Eddie says after andrea goes home. Yeah what is it all the chicks that i go after and try to hook up with get voted out. How many people that on his list me. I was with grin and then even at the final immunity the final tribal. He's attack on dawn to them. Like beck me back to me. It's so pathetic because you know why because people like reynolds can't imagine that there are people out there who are genuinely liked john because the idea of being so nice and not self-serving and caring about other people must be faith that anybody would be like that can't even fathom that they're out there in the world now coming home and i did enjoy it when he's like done. Yes give it to me. She's like your your your chauvinist. He's like yes. yes i believe. You think i have a good sense of humor which i do because you've also told me that i'm a vulgar piece of crap so thank you on. It's like oh really not everybody in the world needs to be told their garbage to believe that there's something good that's just how you treat people now. I come this hard. Just because i have sort of turned over a little bit of a newly because ronald also did a quarantine quincy for w and i read some of it. And here's what he said on whether or not he'd play again if i may he says i wonder sometimes people think i'm one of those one and done players that has aversion to ever playing again seven years of flown by growing my family and business and we sincerely enjoyed watching every season since i have a better understanding of the survivor game in its evolution since my season. I have very much involved as a person since macy's season as well if i were to get a call to go back. It'd be thrilled to see the person i am today. That could win this game. And he also says which i don't have the quote i cringe sometimes when i look back at what i've said like i've changed a lot so i actually after just absolutely annihilating reynold. I do think it would be interesting to see reynolds point. Now come back. Because he's the most athletic of the three amigos. The three amigos don't win chip besides ronald. And i think having a married father reynold would be more jetting and this is on the podcast right. It wasn't that re it was probably like maybe like twenty seventeen or two thousand eighteen. I caught up with him and also sucking kneecaps. Did you read his interview about you. I didn't say he they said. Is there any player that you'd want to play with. And he said rob cicirino really great. He's so he can take back. I'm getting say me. He goes to our live show in austin and he was like it was it was actually very funny the dynamic but he was like I guess he's in real life his real life three amigos koby and reynold and he's sort of like Like the friend that gets goofed. On in that three so That was a fun dynamic. And you know. I think that reynolds is a guy that i didn't have an aversion to rent like. I thought he was Overboard with shomar. but i feel like that overall. I didn't think he's too unpleasant. In of course cutting the clip. About one of everything. We've just said guy. Yeah i i said insp robin anything. Said that he had as carnival games to that. The guy could like throw a beanbag targeted at a thirty yards. I had a tweet that was like of course he's good at that. He's like definitely the guy trying to win everything at a fair to give women. What did you think of rental am. I like so sensitive to ronald jerk rooted for him then. And i didn't hold up as well. The chamara line forgotten about is brutal. He's not perfect. His his game played Not ideal but I agree it. Sounds like he's grown person Yeah which is more than i could save myself So i couldn't believe that Again one of the biggest voted the season. And if i feel like if you were going to list cochran's moves in the game. I feel like that. This is the biggest one we yada yada the andrea vote at the final seven. Like how was this not a full episode. It's one of the more fun. Blindsides i can remember. And it's and you get like one scene for it it's i. I understand the structure but really we couldn't double booted the you know the the swap or something like we need to see you know full episode. Julia gets a full episode. Hard in the post. Merge yada yada. Eric going home and then the finale. The finale is rough here. I mean the rental. The reynold is the right boot to do. The first half of the yada yada. You probably shoulda yada yada malcolm reynolds. Yeah i kicked to be completely honest watching an binge. I like didn't even notice that. This was one episode. Like when you're watching it back. Like seven episodes. I mean it's hard to agree lewd alley. It's just like the prelude is that andrea has been trying to talk about who she's gonna target entire time without thinking. If brenda goes or malcolm goes they're gonna obviously look at me. Like i actually don't understand her plan at all to start being the one flipping on her sex when for all of the reasons. She's saying about brenda the actual to go including that. She's the one thinking about this kind of thing. Like yeah that'll be lewd you first and then brand the next yeah. I think it's really brenda like does if brenda stepped down in this challenge versus andrea or in the challenge against dawn earlier and she'd been in brennan even implies that she threw the challenge to dawn but didn't like Like a agreed to it publicly or make a deal with with dawn and maybe that might have changed her fate a little bit But the fact that she liked takes andrea to the brink. Here i think hurts are standing in andrews is i mean. I don't really understand wanting to win an immunity understand. My deals happen in big brother. Because like you'd be an hour then you really get to call shots. And that's a part of negotiation as part of it but the people who are like i feel more confident in our lions. I just wanna win one but like if it's given to you like you didn't win one. I don't understand the logic face value. Brenda says like yeah. It's great to just be able to see how far you can test yourself. Why who cares for. That's yeah i guess. So i guess so andrea gets kinda yada yada in the double boot but they don't do her nearly as dirty as they did in game changers where she voted out. Fourteen minutes into the episode in game changers in a double episode She at least gets the back half. Which is ideally where you want to be in the double boot episode. But i do feel like that. This was cochran's like i feel like of. I think his biggest moves of the season. I feel like this one and then ultimately getting out brenda then at the final six. These two moves back to back to get out andrea. And then brenda no question right. Like and and paying the producers to med evac eric. Basically what was erica thread. What was that. Eric was going to be probably helps him win the challenge. That's it but no Well we can talk about that. Yeah yeah yeah brenda. I think entry had a lot of good points by brenda but as we said they played the har- they both they go back to. I don't plan because we never want we here talking about challenges and we know reichenbach was part of her plan It was there a third part of it. I don't know. Don i mean i think. Dawn young probably. Yeah don so she brand. She's probably going to chance against don reichenbach by win. They're they're they're all they're all live there so yeah she's she's doing pretty good. Okay what's what's weird to me about this season at. I feel like there's an rob. Obviously you've watched the most recently and in general. The kibo seems to be a wizard for memory here. This is especially so yeah. I feel they're feeling to me as more honest in tribal the season especially late like they get baited by questions more than i remember or maybe just more than reach times and that's really evident and the in the andrew. Vote where they're like. Oh yeah. I've made so many finals but like i know people are lying because i y and like final three. I've made is ally like you should never say that. Even if you're being honest by saying you're lying that's an insane thing to say so. I noticed that as well. I do think that i would attribute that to cochran. I think that he talks about the game in that way and got the conversation like rolling in that direction and i think that people probably followed suit and the problem is that i think that there were probably other players that were not as good as being able to talk about the game in that way as he was like. I'm going to try. But i'm saying i've only told people what i only made promises that i intend to keep good final. Not even saying that but just like nobody. Nobody needs to like. I just thought they were being who forthcoming told we're good. We're good exactly take that to the bank. And that's what malcolm gets tipped off that. It's going to be someone from the favorites tribe. He or i guess it's snowy but he gets tipped off from philips speech that it's at least not reynold and i just think like a lot of loose lips sink. Ships that these tribals dot cochran. He's able to avoid it. I have in my notes. Also that rental. The shows up on the jury with a ted lasso mustache. And that's my favorite favorite part of. I don't know if i've ever said this. But i've never been able to talk about all aspects of the season. My two or three favorite parts is one when the jury walks in all of them together each week to week but also the whole thing. I love when jeff transitions from the votes to studio city. Still to this day is my favorite. I look forward to that every time they've totally botched it now. They don't really do it. But i love the said. They did on Blood versus water where they like transition to the three and tyson's there and the tuxedo shirt. That's beautiful. I love that and i forgot the third thing so it doesn't matter. Okay what do you think by the way. What do you think ponderosa's like at this point where we got snowy until the boroughs started coming. It's a pretty wild pump hooking up this ponderosa now like can do not shirt vendors throwing one person under the boss. I think it's just people that have been ponderosa something time. You didn't even talk about reynolds eddie night. One of the shelter which is ridiculous. I mean the ponder the ponderosa when allie watch a different Like the pondering snowy Malcolm reynold at this point. We haven't even gotten to the best cup of the season yet. It's it's gonna be exciting. I'm going to try to raise to talk about it. I guess it's yours. Okay all right so we have our talking about ready. Sorry i know what he's talking about. Okay yeah he shouldn't have alerts on for my tweets So we have the most. I believe the most iconic family visit in the history of the show here at the final six of survivor kept. And so we get the sprint. Yvo lt phone. They always tell these survivors. I watch a lot of survivor from this era. Like go into messages and then you instructions of how to get to the video and so we get the how much this phone costs now. Refurbish version of this phone cost dollars. It's like thirty bucks. Yeah around thirty bucks. Yeah all right so we could bring everybody's loved ones and so you're going to compete with your loved ones. Are we get like Cochran's mom comes out a hurry cochran and not really into the challenge. Brenda's brendan's dad brings jeff tears akiva yet Jeff says the first time he's ever broken. I believe he has broken since right. I don't remember which tribal which Which family visit wanna say. It was in ghost island when it was and now i'm i'm i'm angela's daughter. Maybe okay i don't really remember it. I will. i'll so i and she also has the thing that reference the beginning says. I've been humble humble me humble brenda humble like look to home. But he's earned me speak. Yeah yeah so everybody everybody comes out. Brenda wins the reward. And so gay brand pick a loved one to go to the barge and have a barbecue with. She's don god picked on. Hold up bro. hold up man. hey there's another sprint. Yvo lt phone watch this. What more loved ones. Yes all right so we have second loved. Ones right. brent brenda you can now have your loved ones visit with dawn and her second loved one on your second loved one or you could give second loved ones to everybody else here. The four versus to another person. I thought you can also pick another person. As it was it was pick. A third person was literally three basically basically. Yeah alright been steven's second loved one. Do we know that. I know we have been asked. His friend brent. Oh yeah. I don't think it's the second. He just had no idea for a second chances. Do they take to loved ones. I think wasn't this that you could list do not have to list two options. I i don't know if there's like a backup like jonny fairplay situation like i don't know if they said they have your second loved one here like i thought generally you have to give a couple of options now. I don't know if i had a second loved one ready to go. That might be a newer thing. Okay we gotta. Can we ask you if you remember in the fall Yeah tasks even if he had a second one so all right. This brenda. Pick wrong here. Yes yes okay. Mic malcolm with a twenty bucks the beer yes instantly no question first of all i hate this. I hate it was me to say. Is that why you hate it. I hate it generally. I hate like oh pick someone and then you can choose or you forgo. You're on letter. You forgot forgo your love something you earned for the betterment of the tribe. When you know it doesn't matter at all nobody's going to kiss your butt for this brennan. Possibly the only person who would think that this would matter because it would matter to her and like. That's the difference. I think brenda would be loyal to someone who for went their family visit for her regardless each show as he was saying there's no stakes it's like destroy donald cochran's dad work that grill. You're basically you're basically it's a lose lose punishment to win the punishment to win the challenge in robin season. Six if they had this would you have earned some some social credit for. I mean for making this move. I mean they literally did have this and matthew off like They asked matthew who won this challenge. matthew that you could give your loved. What is it better to give her to receive a and he matthew gave up his loved ones visit with his mom so that we all have a loved one visit but then psych. He's still got to have a loved one visit with his mom like one that we had other than again. He's someone who probably he's probably the only person that season who would like who. If you gave up your door your mom he'd be like wow rob. That was really great. What is the patron saint of reward challenges for that young great now. We're we're too savvy for this by season twenty six till like i if it's almost the merit like because it's like oh you did plays to dynamic effect. Oh ended they hit the producers that our home run. Yeah it's strange if there's two people watching the And it's a strange. They brought to people like they had this. You weren't like eight different elements into this. This challenge members participating but they hit the jackpot all of it. But i don't but i don't. I don't like this right like i said it's like a sad for the moms to knock it their letters right like maybe it should have been okay you decide to forgo it whatever. Okay well you get to stay with your just. Your one loved one on the beach. Nobody you know second loved one like you said with matthew like i wish they got something but don again. I mean brenda in one move could get through this by saying i just can't do it to dawn. I would give it up. But like john has a complete meltdown over. It and. I don't think john would be like nope brenda. It's okay like john would have been great. Thanks and she could have gotten out of that immediately. But the look. I've watched so many of these now this year. The point of the loved ones visit is for people to not get the loved ones visit. That is having loved ones on survivor. Do doernen brenda get to see their second loved one at all i think they were on the barge and then they probably got escorted away. That's brutal. I mean you're flying to the philippines like that. Is there some sort of a little bit. I know your said her full name right. We'll be asking sorry. Has anyone ever not for like isn't always the winner who loses loses. They give that option. Has anyone said like sorry. Guys i need to. I need to do my loved ones visit. I don't know how many times they did the like. Give it away. I mean famously. Cindy hall with car. The cindy hall problem. Not the monty hall problem That she says cindy you could keep a car or you give everybody a car. She's like i'm going to keep the car so that's probably the only example That there is a a huge monetary thing for yourself like a family visit. Okay you can go that without it changing your mind. I'll be like. I know my mom came but i'm among go because i'm dds like there's no way especially the way that That stands for this society but there s we joke about it on jayjay realize i should have just said you're a dentist not just rolled off the tongue too easily but i just especially the way that jeff says it. It's a once in a lifetime. Opportunity like rob you still talk about. How great it was to have your mom you on the island. You can't get that time back like that's huge and brennan. Her dead earned that goddamn reward and she should have had it. And i'm still at the scene. It's not like she didn't see him and they had a moment. They may have cry. But i agree. Everything you're saying is right. I really like when eric makes the whole life. That's a beautiful moment right. Eric makes the heart like and they played the nice music in the background. To be watching them what it new brand new and it's not so great. I would hate this thing. Is everybody happy except for daunte because the nfl like these four people are set. I'm good with this. I'm getting all the clout from this. Dawn was the only person that was like five out of six people. Here are happy with this arrangement except for dawn. I think the thing that like look. It's the same thing that reynolds struggles with when he looks at dawn. Something i would struggle with. If i don't like take a step back and think about is like when people tell me they don't like being the mafia and they don't like being the imposter in these gangs and i'm like what are you talking about like. I only tolerate being the good roles that i could be the bathrooms. When in your life do you get to scheme and do this kind of stuff with i. Don't do that in my regular life but it's fun in the game. And so if i were i would never wanna be in survivor. I'd be terrible at survivor. Don't think but. If i were ever on survivor it would be fun. 'cause within the exactly because you'd be in the balance of the game but i truly believe that for a person like don. It's really hard for her. Playing this sort of cutthroat game and to be hurting her friends and she takes it really personally. And i do think she probably more than anybody else on the tribe needed that reminder of this isn't who i am this is my husband. This is what i'm doing this for and he knows who i am and he can remind me. I'm a good person and i should be doing this and coach. I do actually feel bad. Don probably overreacts but she really did need this and didn't get it and so this is a great time to bring back into this story of that. There is a point and it is. I think it's also in in the same episode where a philip goes home where everybody dawn screaming from the jungle. Don has a partial on her bottom teeth and she was swimming in the water and it fell out. Dds yes she screams for. Brenda brenda can you. Can you find it. it's over here. Are brenda puts the goggles. I actually find it pretty easily. I i wonder. I was asked myself if i was there. What i've been able to find on steve. I feel like i would get down that far. I mean how far was he. Mazing comes up. She's not at waist-deep she's like really far couldn't dive that deep wouldn't even ought to put that snorkeling thing on mayor. Yeah that would have been a fun. Game like To play pool party of throw the teeth in the pool and then put the goggles on and see you could find it. Sounds like you got a lot of fun in college. If this is appropriate to say. But i had a friend in high school who also had a retainer but it was top teeth and some people when they were at parties. She'd take her teeth out and drop it in a glass and you had to fit you to finish the drink. She told me that some new jersey stuff card fun as a strong enough drink. I think that's a disinfectant. One one thing by the way at the end there that i remember reading and sort of the post creek times exit interviews is sherry comes back And i forget who if donald brenda says this. But they're explaining why like there was so much hate and so much heat really on sherry In the next week in the finale sherry comes back from the burgers and steaks and everything and has a huge share of rice like immediately afterwards. That like that's dornin- brenda's big splurge. They're going to split like a ton of rice since everyone else's eating that night and jerry eats a lot of there and we went on the reward. You never eat on survivor. Very in the post game media. Somebody said that. Is there a world where you're still hungry. Isn't that the point of the reward. People come back like sick to their stomach and you still want a compact with some rice rice. You could always eat rice under schedule. They're eating rice over many times. The rice on pack and have some coffee at this point. Yeah pizza crust for kiva point of all right so now i on top of all this now with all this like earned backstory with dawn and brenda the reward. Challenge is an endurance challenge. That comes down to somehow dawn versus brenda brenda. Why did you don what. I gotta let you have this. She says she tells us. And confessional she's like. Oh i dropped. I dropped out. I want to have it. You gotta at least get the recognition. Here yeah we make fun of philip not we but the old for making up the same lie. It's possible brennan's telling the truth. I think at a certain point once you win one of these. Yes be very wary to win another one for some reason. Nobody ever mentions other than cochran himself like. Hey cochran keeps winning these. But in general like even people like malcolm widow in any are viewed as a threat. So once you're winning one and you're especially in the in the like yeah when it's the two of them up there like she's got to say don like you know what i feel so bad. I have to let you have this all right. Tell you take it away done deal. Yeah not even the deal. Just give it to her demonstration of trust right like i feel so good about you being safe. It's as good as me being safe. But i do think brenda's an interesting cat like i do think she although she already knows that andrew was coming for her right. So maybe she brenda is a little more shaken up by the fact that she was going to get she votes in the last tribal one and maybe she's not letting that on your point akiva about the philip thing. It's like brenda doesn't tell anyone i don't think she tells us. And it's like why lied to me. I don't it's all a strange. It's a very strange situation. I also think there might be a part of brenda who like wants don to have the self confidence boost of like actually winning the challenge instead of just having brenda jump off. Because that's sort of a point of pride for brenda's so maybe she is like Giving her a bigger gift by pretending to liz. I wonder if dawn thinks because brenda really is locked. In brenda's never voting outdoor probably right. Yeah i do wonder if if dawn thinks that she has a better chance beating cochran than brenda because really she should be making a moving. Cochran doesn't have immunity here Anyway like shouldn't she saying like brenda and ex. Wherever it is sherry or or whomever like white does. I wonder why and i don't remember if she was asked. Why does she think she has a better chance against cock well. Brenda just gave the loved ones visit to everybody. I think she probably feels like oh well. That's like everybody's gonna vote for her for that. She's one challenges that i think that she's not looking at remember. Cochran has only won. The he won the to immune challenge. Brenda has now won a couple of challenges here. And i think they're probably looking at brenda as she just gave. Everybody loved ones visit to a woman. A woman you have a better chance than woman versus a guy cochran don also things. We've done everything in lockstep so anything he could get credit for. I also get credit for anything. People are mad at me about heat. People are also mad at him about. And i think she might think i'm more relatable story. I've a better story being older woman. And i had better relationships so i don't think she's insane in a vacuum for thinking she could be cochran. Could the the relationship. They've played now that they were both on the same tribe and they sort of have a much longer backstory. She may not. She may be looking at cochran a little bit through the south pacific lens of like where everybody yells at the sky. Where maybe she is not necessarily seen the evolution of cochran in the same way that other people have so As you might just be really mad at brenda still yeah. And he also loses the probably. Anyway it's not like that was the path to victory. I'm not saying. I did all the work to like. I think like her best moment in the final tribals when she's like he wouldn't be here if it wasn't for me. And then she like backpedals on that because he gets mad about it. But i do think she part of her does think like i did all of the work here. Mike cochran and i were equals and i but i was even better Yeah This is actually a wild vote against brenda. Also it's a. it's a three to one. Vote necessarily like like this does not get talked about like a super strategic play. But it's dawn and cochran sherry. They put three votes on. Brenda eddie is voting for eric and eric and brenda are voting eddie edie shambling again your shambling again okay and that that takes us to the finale where things these were very exciting for a long period of time but now they're going to really slow down very boring two hours leading up to the final tribal council erik reichenbach. We talk much about him at one point and i was really harping on this at the time that it seemed to me like eric was trying to manifest his way out of the game alley. He talked about how he if he got a medevac. There would be no humiliation in that. It wouldn't be me if i actually responded to the question. You ask one last thing on the cochran thing with brenda or why did why did don she could be common. I also think part of cochran power in addition to knowing when to push knowing is he makes everyone think his idea is their idea. So in that brenda vote. I think he approaches. Don like we could do eddie. Could you brenda. And she's like maybe brenda she. He's good at making her feel like she's in the power position even though he's projecting to everybody else that he's in the power position anyway to eric. Did he manifest his exit from the game. I mean i think they opposite of the sh- mar thing right like he is so skin and bones like he's so so thin he didn't have wait till lose and i think that also i mean i don't know science but i think that that i'm not liana but i think that that also takes a toll they also say like he ate every single reward which is crazy when you think about it that he's still struggled so much cut that writing back metabolism Ideally you don't climate free four hundred feet into the air. Also when you're that low on calories. I feel like i can only hurt things but that was very strange. I we needed. Tony's ladder. Like i was thinking about that. He was close but not just production. What someone do something like that. Because he thinks raising. Yeah mike you neck you die. Yeah okay but akiva. We opened up. The finale with an eric reichenbach back medevac. Yeah i just remember in real time thinking because they don't as we said like really promote an alternative winner to cochran. This is the biggest coronation i i. Can't maybe boston rob like there are very few. There was the redemption island aspects of rob. And there was also that ashley was like. They were building her up that if she won the challenge could have been like. There was no other prospect here. I i the one thing i forgot to say. This was my first season watching in a while. And i googled just for like a cast list or something and some spoiler thing came up where i spend a lot of the season. Thing reynolds one. Oh based on like booking with ideal when you a fake spoiler. Fakes boy was great. And then and then oh rental but the which in hindsight would make the three amigos tribal council just the greatest in the history of the but There's there's the the only resistance we could ever get. And i don't think there's any scenario where it happens anyway. It's it's fun to think about. I don't think it ever happens. Based on who it is is is eric basically starting to win challenges and forcing the hand. But i think eric ultimately just goes to the end with don in ankara. So i don't like there's nothing like it sucks that it happened. We have this brutal reward challenge which is which is so boring and meaningless. And there's no stakes but a what about probes like erica's is like they're so sick quote unquote that. He can't participate in the game and probes. There's just doing like You're out let's talk about what's going on now. We've got four like humor. His dead body crazy. They're standing supposedly so sick. Did you not think it was adjustment evac. I think it is like bad if it's a serious medical situation how about this jeff. Probst not standing over his body with the other four contests they don't know with cow. I must mustn't yes cowboy mode cowboy. Yeah well also. The eric is also going to the jury and the cochran saying like look. I'm not even thinking about the game right now. I'm only thinking about eric. That's my only concern in the game. I remember his last name doing. Emt eddie came out. That was great. Good episode here. Yeah eddie's best episode of the season here in the finale. Yep eric and a couple of points alley does seem like he knows what's going on. Do you feel like that. Like hypothetically if eddie goes on a run here could be a contender. Well what. I was wondering with the sorry last about the eric thing. It makes me think of you say a lot of times. Like if someone's dehydrated give them fluids and send them back to the game like it should at my putting words in your mouth. I don't care it doesn't bother me. Yeah like i almost think. Like eric would have been fine another twelve hours and they should've just let him return to winning minutes. He was fine. I think well whatever but anyway. Yeah i mean. I wish any i. He was making a pitch to cochran which to me shows that he understands like what he's supposed to be doing during the game. Due i my question would be. I think maybe reynold vote for eddie. I don't know if malcolm like what he even really have. The three amigos votes against cochran zero eddie win win a challenger to here to get to the end where does like win does win. The final immunity challenge can stand there and maybe like Like that he could get a voter to vote. I think well i don. I really don't know that he gets the amigos. Because i think that's what i said. I don't think he gets malcolm because they think cochran has honestly one of the best final tribal of all time. I'd say honestly. I'm sure you said that thousand times having respect that a lot of credit very good. I think todd always gets best of all time but Cochran has a very strong Filed travel council and the malcolm question is often compared to todd. John rubare but just on the lead up to cochran getting there at this basically this final five becomes a final four finale and things really slow down to the point where we have a challenge fern advantage in the final four immunity. We do fallen comrades. Akiva i just like i could imagine like six meetings of the producers at this point like all right. What can we do for time. Anything was that the first a. While is that. Because i was like or when i think that they had been doing them this period and i think that the next season is the last one i think that But then it's so crazy that's like so then but it feels like everything. I'm old school. I long seasons like these people. I saw ten hours Still say matt. Matt matt and back have unlimited time to talk about people and they're still like matt people get like five minutes. I do think this could have been the first finale where we get to the winner. Read before ten. Rob like there's just nothing going on in this episode. It is his there is. Can you think of a finale. That's worse than this. i think. Well in the early seasons. Like i know the survivor australia. Finale is worse than us. I think it's three hours. I think there's one challenge right but there's but it has like one of the most iconic decisions in the history of the show. At least this has taking her teeth out. Okay fine this was bad it. Maybe because i've been watching it on a bench. But i remember i finished it last night and i intended to stop and finish it today and i just kept watching it like i. As in the most enthralling television knows one of the survivor endings. No but was i entertained. I don't think it's the worst show. Yeah a big part of the show is like trying to figure one when you re watching. That's not an aspect and there was no drama eddie. One of his last confessionals. If he won he would open up a dog shelter. Slash bar where you could like dopp the dog and then also he loves dogs and he loves bars. Where like where this season. Such a big laugh head of my daughter today like you. It is really holds up. It's so funny not hold up except for the fact that he says like oh. Just be so great. If i could bring my dog to the bar you can bring your dog to especially after dining to a lot of bars not in new york. He's from new jersey right. Yeah you could do that. Tell me if this crazy. I was thinking. This sheri's tells us she was rather go to the final three with cochran and eddie. She didn't want to go to the final. The final three with dawn. Why don't sherry eddie. Put their votes on dawn and send eddie and dawn into fire making again. I don't know if the idea that sherry wants to like it's the same thing where she's like. Oh if you can't beat them join them. Maybe i should go with the three amigos. Like i don't know if that's just lip service to an idea like yeah i'd rather go down but that's not the way well. She said she like. I don't want to go up against on. And she has like six kids and she felt like that don had like a much better story they think don. But i think but that's what she's telling eddie before he's lost right like i do think there is something to the fact that cochran said like you wanna sweet talk eddie. In case he does win that he'll vote with you. And then donna and cochran turn to vote out sherry. She's campaigning to get eddie's vote if he's got the necklace to go to to to i also think she says like my strategy was to be the only fan left and then to say like what a great story. I'm the only one that i was on the way to the final trump accounts right foul trouble council. We got some juice here at the final tribal council and cochran gonna talk a lot about his timing. That's what he credits. A lot of what he was doing that they were going to get him. He moved i his timing his therapist. He's making a lot of stuff. But don malcolm tries to give her a little advice. Malcolm tells her that basically Own your moves tonight on rooting for you. I don't know if they rooting for her. You're not yet rooting for her. To come in second maybe they meant i mean this is something that's been talked about a lot of people don't need necessarily me to add or repeat but it's like when malcolm hit me so hard when malcolm says you can't be a warm mother six and stab people in the back into that i say why on earth like that is the whole point of this game is that cherie can get off the couch and cochran can close his books and they can show up and stab people in the back with the best of them. It's just people don't wanna be beat by a warm mother of six and people feel good and maybe they they feel they under malcolm and current underestimated on at every turn. They think that she doesn't have the strategic chops because she also at home is this warm nurturing mother of six and it's a shame but i think snowy hits it on the head at the time and so like this is what's happening cochran not getting shit needed all the same stuff It's frustrating like. Yeah malcolm throws her bone but i actually don't think i think the problem also for dhanush parroting back a lot of what's told her like he says own it so then the next thing she's like i'm having it and then like the later says something a tribal and she repeats a couple times what people tell her to say and i think that ends up coming off not genuine. Like don announcing i'm owning. My game is actually not what they're looking for. And i think it's a disturbance to her that like right away she gets hit with. You're gonna have to have a different strategy coming into this. Then you probably stayed up last three nights thinking about good luck and cochran just gets to lay out his game like he was planning to with us. Yeah i do think that donen sherry within ten minutes probably realized and if they may not even have shown us like if somebody said outright like right cochran's winning which is very possible somebody said and they don't show it i think. They realized very early on their drawing dead basically. It's also interesting. I don't see this with a lot of juries but it seems to be a little bit of group. Think year where it's like everyone knew coming in cochran was gonna win. I'm sure they were openly discussing it upon the rosa. It just like it just said if such a fait accompli. And i it. It sucks because like dawn is getting hit hard and then cherries getting just absolutely obliterated. And what do you wanna do. Just vote for cochran. Like why do these people up. It's over Both sherry and dawn are going to get dragged sherry gets dragged reward by erik reichenbach. Coming from allie. I love the real story of this is just how he keeps saying as right is that there was a lot of gas each other up. He's like oh yeah. I'll take down shirt. You take them to jerry jerry. If you don't wanna blow for me dogo for me that you could sit down and era doesn't have the strength to back it up so he's just like i'm just trying to hope i'm like he's looks like they didn't. This was disgusted. I can't believe not one person took for the team and gave gave dawn the second place. Vote considering how much they dislike sherry. One thing i saying at the time robb is sherry such a big fan that she has a kid at at the very end of season. Two names the kid colby. Yes that's on the fan tribe. It does not come up during a season where she makes the final three people every five minutes. It's just wasn't in show. It's exactly what i'm saying rob. I'm sure it came up a thousand times confessionals. She can't even get a i if i had the guests and again. I'm just speculating. what do i know. I haven't been on the show. There's a possibility that production hated sherry more than almost anybody else zooms confessionals. She does well. She just brenda gets less confessionals area. Her board eddie. Don't even more than anyone on the season much like there's just nothing even when she's like good things with shomar works way in. We're just not seeing her story again. She makes final tribal the fact that can't show in that one that that one fact which is interesting and extremely relevant that you cared about the show that you named her her. Her kid colby hilarious. I think she played too much of the. I'm secretly a businesswoman. I'm secretly a huge fan. Like my guess would be. That was more of sherry and again. I don't know i've never been there. Speculating that it would be more. And it doesn't explain what we didn't get confessionals of her saying it and this is my strategy right but she comes out at tribal with this big reveal of like actually a very important international business and it's like what the f. ing do okay. So everything you said was lie sheila. She's like you know that. That's i'm like again like that's like when people are like i can't say that i'm a lawyer and i'm gonna or i can't say i'm a cop or whatever and it's just be honest about who you are like whatever and so maybe she had the same mentality where i'm gonna aber ten. I'm not this big superfan but really enin later husband's like oh cocker. Let's take a picture. This is really cool But i think sherry and maybe this was edited out but when she gets confronted with these people being jerks to her. I guess it's to her credit that she just says screwed you sit down. I wanted to do a little more user user time a little bit more like she doesn't actually fight. She just kind of rolls over and gives up which i thought was kind of disappointing. At least she leaves her dignity because she didn't grovel up. These people. were never going to vote for. I really wanna get into dawn and brand here because i. I'd like to talk about what happens here and then also land. Let's skip ahead to how it's talked about at the reunion. Show which i think is really wild so we have brenda. Come up and brenda says about how dawn. Remember that day that you lost your teeth and i had to go and you said you were going to quit the game and i want you to tell me right now where you really going to quit. The game doesn't no no. I wasn't i wasn't i was just said that i just you know i wasn't really going to do it. She said okay. We'll prove it and you take your teeth out. I want everybody to see you the way i saw you that day. Take your teeth out right now. Which is i think. The wildest thing we've ever seen in like nobody has ever before or after told somebody in the final travel council. Perform this stunt for me. I have a request. Nobody's ever said you know what your whole fist in your mouth. Yeah i want to see that right now. If you if you're willing to get naked and jump in the fire. I will vote for it is it is crazy. Do you think you'd you discussing by. Yes you discuss. Like what you're gonna ask with the producer they right. They wanna make sure not. They're salivating for out of the realm of possibility that somebody said. Hey remember david saddam with her teeth out. My question robbed producer. Rob is did did brand to say that to producer who immediately had cartoon money balls or do the producers. Say at the brandon. She's like because brenda is a come with person. Brennan like i feel like. Is that the person who is very good to production like okay. Yeah i'll do that. She's she's humble. she's easy going. You gotta come from. It's so crazy. She went out hot. I mean her her exit was. I was honest with you guys. I was genuine with you. Guys kurtz of where it came from she wet with it right like even if it wasn't her idea don saying no and she's not like okay. See like whatever she's like. do it do it now. Doing don prove it. Let me explain so even if it was like well. Why don't you tell her to prove it like. She goes so hard with it that she gets credit. For owning owning owning your gam this nicaragua brenda. This was the not humble brenda that we got this year can i. The game doesn't need to be our people say this is terrible. I see the point. I fully understand the point. I dude. I do this to someone on television. No do someone. Maybe but no i. I think the brenda and don story. Oftentimes is understandably too focused on the teeth. Brenda found the teeth. So don oser and that that that story doesn't hold water right. That's story brenda's far too means overreacting. She's taking it out of the game. She's humiliating her. The story really on the second tra me. And even brenda says. I'm picking john for the family visit for so many reasons. Don and her have a closeness that and then burn the senate at the reunion and i was like oh good confirmed like it's so much more than the teeth. They had what they felt like. It was a real friendship and brenda. I believe this would never have betrayed. Don and don made her feel the same. And i think that brenda felt that don used like personally. I heard about your kids. I heard about your family and that was like to put whatever so. I think they had a real true friendship and dawn. Claimed i would have quit the game if not for you. And i think don's mistake was not saying i don't know but at the time i felt like i would have and you saved my game by giving me those team. That's what she should have said. Don should not have maintained. All i never was to quit by that by the way dahmer's response to it. She's like a racing brenda's importance to her whole game. She already did not voting her out and now she's not owning the fact that she herself said. I'm going to have to evacuate from the game on show humiliated by this. So she's saying prove it not necessarily and take your teeth out but respect brenda's game and the way that cochran did to malcolm right. I'm so insecure. You're so amazing. Why on earth is don not saying brenda. I owed you my life in the game for so many reasons. You were so good to me. And i had to get you out because you would have won and yes. I can't say i wasn't calling for jeff right there but i'm so glad it didn't come to that because you saved my teeth thank you. Why is that. why why what. Why doesn't she say no. I would have quit. You did it for me. That's what i just said. Yeah i'm saying like 'cause i think people would say like you're going to quit over your teeth. You don't really care about it. Maybe that's the risk. But i don't think she should've said no brenda. That was such an overreaction. I would have played without my team. Say the point point lead her. that's not take also like i don't know much teeth cost but probably saved a lot of money to like there is. There's it's a lot of time and money. I'm sure to get new teeth. Sure is an out of the game element of like eyesafe. You five thousand dollars a week of your life. Your mother six like you know this. This was go that is mentions like this was. Was this out of the game like you did something for someone that went beyond the game like would you to win the game would you. You ignore like let somebody sink to. The bottom of the ocean is so a couple of things that i want to add to. This one brenda. Dawn took her teeth. Give her the vote. Come on come on. Don't think they didn't vote for her. She did what you wanted you as your request it was. She still under she still. I think she's actually magic. Not outright. it's like. You're proving that i wasn't important to you that i never wanted to take the team. Adorned should've made a promise. I i'll do it if you don't. It really didn't want to do it. Who knows how long they're standing there. But you change their mind. They're like i'll do it. Be half the voting. It just she just i don blewett there now do i. Don has to apologize to it absolutely. Let's go to the reunion show because then we have the big reveal of that like by the way okay. Here is brenda. Who's via satellite. We're going to get the reveal that she is pregnant at the end of the teen appropriate. Yeah so the brenda's on zoom and so we got cut her via satellite. And i feel like that. Jeff is really pushing for dawn to apologize to brenda which to me feels very outside of the spirit of survivor where it's like. Hey big booze You can't trust anybody out here. You gotta play hard. Those cut your friends and i feel like that. Jeff is really looking for dawn. How could you vote it out. Brenda do you want to say anything to her. Because she's here now and don's like i already have. Yeah well where's the apology. What's the apology. Looked like and then he even girls brenda. Would you accept the apology. Like he's not letting these women talk about it the way they wanna talk about it and i think that guy hardens back to its the probe show. It's like the get the apology. Accept the apology. Look at the resolution and this did not need to be resolved here. I'd also obviously there's just so strapped for time and you know a thirty minute thing it's not like they can have real conversation but yeah no you're right like it's jeff. Jeff is the whole district and in particular but a lottery. Jeff manufacturing conversation. He's trying to get answers at people. Sometimes he's not whether it's rudy saying Phobic things are girl not giving him anything in that interview but like the whole thing is jeff trying to squeeze out answers like. That's why that's why. He loves philip. Because philip has like a nickname ready to go you know like go to like yeah. He's got he's got soundbite for you. Where's everybody else's not working for. Also i would have believed brenda. That she was pregnant. that We didn't need to have our komo like jelly reveal. Yeah like do they ask for that or that was her call. But you know it's wild about that is like it was shocking to me when she lifted up the dress but like we've literally watched her be naked on the something about when you come back and then you see someone in their underwear. You're like wait a minute me seeing this even though literally they've all been naked delta. Yeah if she's very pregnant kick During that segment where we cut the okay to the baby. The baby except the babies now like seven. I almost made a tweet today of like having like Like The thirty year old kid like brennan baby year old man. I guess i don't know. I think it's i think she has. I think it's it was under instagram today. I don't know. I don't even remember any other news. No she was. I like green clothing. She's always pitching she's never not trying to sell you. Something and i know jimmy. Yeah she's always pick the bushmen. Pair goes the bushmen. Yeah all right With the dentist work for your self name for my that. Are you my thought back to okay all right so now because i have terrible okay. Let's go back to the dentist. Have good teeth. Objectively dentist known carried. We can talk about that on. Ngo g k never famously anti so. We spent a lot of time with cochran at the at the finale cochran famously plugs. His twitter still going strong john. Cochran did you notice that. He just says. John cochran which is not as twitter says china. I miss yeah. It was a scandal that night people were going wild on stuff. Yeah it was. It was not people are like well. Why couldn't i plug at malcolm was mad. It was twitter was abuzz that night. What's fun about. Cochran is and i think people take for granted now and they look back and they'll go but whatever i don't get the hero worship jeff loves them so much. Cochran did a lot of things for the first time like that. Now plug something. It's like ira but it was like novel and fun when cochran did it. Yeah ours is going to try to his twitter. The next season does not go well but basically yeah. Jeff is can't get enough cochran famously. Asked him from four grays e cochran has it to be considered a sex symbol. The survivor fought really fails. Jeff at that one messes up z z. He doesn't see z a lot in the survivor font it very user friendly it's got in concord answers it. What's the way to answer this. But cochran answers logo tweet me and we'll find out whatever is he a sex symbol. I mean let's say what are you guys. Think sex symbols sure. Why not symbol. What is the sex symbol not share. Yeah we talked about don What other highlights from their union don't have to go through it blow by blow. There's a lot of lowlights. Rob glow lights from their union. There's a while are union again. This was like. I don't know if this is treated as i guess. It wasn't the finale of survivor because when they filmed it jeff was going to go off and do the jeff probst talk show but now they're going to go film survivor twenty-seven the next day i don't know why they treated this finale of like they pulled out all the stops. It seemed like i was thinking to myself. Like is this the ten years. Thirteen year anniversary of smarter. You think rob an inning by at least that's a whole nother we do. We think that by the end of the season jeff realized that it was not a good season because no a great season. Even you think even at the finale not your realize interesting. Maybe that's why it's like. This is a bad season now. They loved. This was the that i mean jeff. I think that everybody is super psyched about this season psyched after film. But i wonder if after it aired. He's still has site now. What stops every pulling out. Though like they have cochran. They go to survivors in the audience. Like rich rooting boston. Rob like oh have rich have rich. He's not even skyping in. He's a two second naked clip. Like that's not so great. I think this was hold up. I don't think it's show so crazy. The thing about the kid was very bizarre when he tried to transition from the poor kid to andrea inch. That's what were you like. Twenty one when he picked up racist. Warren child is twenty one years old. What does that mean you. Please glad you're blonde. She doesn't want to be on survivor. You probably don't wanna be here. I don't understand what he reminds. Me of billy eichner name a woman. Yeah that was jewels. Joel's was the young woman who was a big malcolm fan that you found. What is it about malcolm is it is. He's just so competitive Or is it the hairy so good at everything Jeff wanted to know. That didn't pay off so when one philip this actually maybe did you. Tell me when phillip. I said the biard rules like three episodes into the season. I thought i didn't know the exact time line of the publication of the rules. Until i was like it's philip citing rules are did philip. Come up with the beer rules. Robert them off. is he credited. So i i ordered a copy of the. where's yours akiva. pull it off. The bookshelf got an avocado. Even kata anyway not a single thing about fact trip philip not a dedication to fill up then. They laugh in my face envelopes because he could have just waited to the reunion and had my answer about this that he says philip. You gave me an idea. You're going to see a dime from and here's a copy for your trouble. Yeah signed even that i Talked to rob about this at the time like he wanted to write about survivor stuff and they wouldn't let him like write anything about survivor us any survivor picture. So he had like. It's all about like his rules for for life you know. The lawyers are strict when they won't even let boston break the rules. Yeah so i can let you think favorite rule is clean it up because it just says this is sort of an all encompassing rule. That is more of a philosophy and way of life that applies to many situations below as a small sample. If you've had one too many cocktails clean it up if your pants hanging off your ass clean it up. If you've got through saturday shirt what what. I don't even understand what this week and then it just examples and says you get the picture. Just get your act together. Rob's notes cleaning it up cleaning up akiva. There's a whole section about the two thousand and four red sox also want to follow that up so it's under the chapter never ever ever give up. Okay there you guys check out the boston. Rob rulebook available on amazon delivered very fat. I mean honestly. I thought i don't know what i thought i would do with this on this podcast but now i just have this. So that's gotta love alley commitment to bits the best. What's what's the avocado for akiva. It's a time check five fifty seven. Am where i am. Yes plane with an avocado third coconut. Yeah no it isn't avocado thrown around like it's by the way i super appreciate both your dedication to the to the cause here and i'm like i might crack in my neck two hours ago. I don't know how you do this. This is like a telephone. I'm so fired here. You're you sit at your desk. Do this all the time. Yeah but it's these hours i mean. Let me know if you if you need a bathroom break or anything or pulled out the rules okay. Good good well. that we don't have thought was wild. philip go around and talk to people and then go home with them and watch survivor. Episodes believe it i believe. I believe i've heard stories phillips just on the street in l. a. Or you know waiting to get recognized. Basically my people by survivor fans. It's wild. I like the idea of Hey i'm gonna go to your house and watch a show with you with hp headphones waiting for the day. Someone will you come. Listen to a podcast at our house. Yeah can you rose. I would do the same thing you say. I keep watch survivor together. He came to a stranger's house to watch true. So all right. Let's see what rudy the hype of have rudy here. This look rudy's eighty five years old That rudy is who he is. Okay i think this is more like I think a producer has to step in here of like. Hey maybe let's not go to rudy for the live reaction. Yeah can't have them live. Rob have relied with rich. Yeah they have a pre capes get sent somebody who was housing. And it's like it's like you've got to think that there's a meeting at some point like Like is he going to say is he going to say say something. inappropriate Potentially like the probably the last thing we should do is show him naked. Richard hatch probably the last thing. Your hero rudy is a survivor hero. But a real life year rudy had one of the greatest like rudy enrich walks. Ojt and fish back run. It was the first like odd couple. Who like this older man. This older veteran this gay guy. Like barnes wedding and so yeah rudy is imperfect and rudy's offensive and i obviously can't be the one to say. Oh it's fine for rudy to have said that. I'm not saying that it anyway. I'm sure it's not fun to watch that. And have him say that. And have everyone laugh like only rudy could say that a yet but i think rudy is like that guy who's like. I know it gets a laugh when i say this. He almost was doing a little schilling. We saw rudy. Schtick people love when i call richard best like. I didn't even get to call him this. I spent four weeks of my life with rudy. Like he has like five things that he says. It's like this is one of them. Woody marines like to it. He's like this is my pen. That's just a fact. This episode did not wanna go to war no like another thing. That people are mad about the now. They'd have to an apology. I do think would be a little different. You just don't go live in eighty five year. Old men should be should be celebre here. Hey maybe cut the segment and go to right. Yeah but this is less. I'm you're gonna see rudy on a anything survivor Before his passing so You know and then he looked great. You know he You know like Look half as good at at at forty five rubbed d fly out for that ridiculous segment. I certainly not in virginia for have west hollywood bound. yeah. I don't know what the what the appeal was like. Why why do we need rudy. Why are we gonna go film segment with hatch. Can i ask another strange choice. Jeff made live is when he goes to announce the fan favorite and he puts his arm on eddie's brother shoulder without even knowing who he was no know he's the family section and then eddie's brother start saying something and he just puts the mike garnham like why does he just like go to someone randomly unplanned. He could have said anything there. And he's got he's gonna win so it ends up being cute but like i don't understand what possesses jr after. Just like put the mic on whoever has something to talk to the crowd a brisk. Yes oh you look like an eddie. Yeah you must be in the family. I do want to say. And i don't think i've ever gotten to say this about jeff. And this is not a take. But like jeff obviously gets a lot of flack and not by rob but like just generally like the world's like obviously what i love about survivor and what i love about. Jeff is he never seems to take the audience for granted even if he is taking for like. I don't know how he feels. Maybe he liked rips. The mike off and it was trolleys losers like whatever but like i feel like at the end of this he like very earnestly thanks everyone for getting them to thirteen years and i think i feel like he's been doing that for forty seasons and i feel like other major franchises like take advantage of their audience. They know you're going to come back regardless. They make editing tape bachelor. Take take take the audience for granted that a million people are always going to tune in regardless of what they do they could put on to four hour episodes in a week where nothing happens and jeff to me in survivor. Not every seasons dinger. Whatever would say and not every episodes of dinger but jeff seems to respect the audience guy. Think and i liked what he listened. Ceo ear. he listens to talking about it or at least he says he does like as much as yankees they say like. Oh he's who's he on this. Who are these people on the street. Talking to jeff. But i like being treated with respect by a show. I think survivor does that. Well it's a good point. Also i think like he he lives. This is whole life and then the to live or unions a year you get to actually like meet the loonies who loved the show and like be in that environment. I think it. It's also like general generational wealth from this show like it's nice to have a little bit of karate. Tova is my people say like you know some appreciation for like all right. This is This job has given me. You know probably a very large house almost so many people don't have expecting very little of him but it is a good point like he does. He doesn't like i was you know he. He's he's not perfect but yeah he does appreciate that people like the show. I guess if you want to say that that's for sure we got a couple of teases also for what survivor is gonna do next alley. This was still so bizarre. Our she'll something the keys of ordering next season and it's like some lava lamp. Like what am i supposed to get from. This also. didn't people at the time. Get it from just the picture. Like i feel like he went to the tweets it about piranhas survivor thing but not the theme when they first showed it some people guest blood and water. I think that people had been spoiled on the idea like the in circles. I don't remember that night. If we knew the cat. I think people knew a lot of the people and there was even some speculation that the first lady of podcasting and myself were leaving very shortly. Speculation we've We've we ran with it. We didn't start it. We were moving and people thought like. Oh they're moving that's it and that means they're on the season i i was enough of a normally then to believe it i was like i think they're. I think they're going to be was a new listener. I think they're going to be on the show. Yeah to the point. I got like a very sort of aggressive like direct messages from rs one day. Like hey just so you know if you really are going to be on the season and you're lying you're gonna i'm not dude. I'm not on the season. Take it easy all right. So i won't be there at the time you were maybe gonna be on the season now. Nicole was pregnant. that was we. We were like crazy. People thought we were going to be on the season because we were. We were moving. And then they're like oh. They said they're gonna that the that he's going to be an interruption podcasting. That's if that means they're on the season so We did announce that nicole was pregnant with dominic at the survivor on this night. Also so this also has a special place in my heart. Okay all right yeah. alexan- asking me in the in the private jet. I got a phone call and they said i did i. I did get a phone call. And i said and i told them like this wouldn't be a good time for me because my wife's pregnant right now not even knowing that it was going to be there. We're going to ask about my pregnant wife to potentially play. Do you have any friends know famously years. Yeah okay let's see a couple of questions We'll get to so many of your questions over the weekend. Our patron feedback show obstinate. Ski is going to join us. You can number one fan. Yes one cochran fan opposite ends. Wouldn't say to the mike. Robbins website accomplish patriot. If you wanna hear the patron feedback show we have not talked a lot about cochran in a four hour. Podcast about Survivor co chairman. Imagine if you're listening to this and you've been waiting the whole time face scary. It is determined. I hung us up like at five. P. horrifying me all i feel just like the first season that is disproportionately featuring cochran. I feel like that. We have not spent a lot of the time really d- breaking down cochran proportionately feature cochran like yes. It's a coordination towards the end. But i actually don't think it's clear that cochran besides the fact that they give him thrones to sit on even the confessionals. I don't think he's like the obvious star or the clear winner until the andrea boot. When there's just like nobody else with the story. But i am i crazy like i don't answer that but am i wrong here. There's not a lot of exciting cochran. Takes i think is part of it. I forgot how often he mentions. He went to harvard like you know that he wrote a paper about somebody is so overrated even says it like this. Let me say this paper. And i guess he said like it wouldn't be interesting to survivor fans because it's just like the jury can apply but jeff keeps growing and he's like you wrote a paper. He wrote a thesis. You don't write a thesis thesis. Yeah he wrote like a paper probably for like a class that did win an award. It was probably interesting. There's not a lot of interesting topic about las thought. He said it's ok. Cassie randolph. Says how cochran of done on winners at war probably not well targeted like i. There's definitely like who were his people out there. I guess is the way to look at it so fi. Boston rob is going to play with cochran. I don't know i don't think so. I think he comes. He's in such a great spot coming off of south pacific where everybody's is underestimating him. And i think after dominant performance dominant. Whatever i don't i don't think he's getting by the merge in in this season they definitely asked him. I think he probably made the right call to say help. Kids life is. He's the epitome of my life is fine. Why would he. It's like you. i think you should play again. Whatever but like why would he leave a writing job when those things are always temporary anyway to like go lose on survivor not fond. If you lose also probably probably ally eating every day. Yeah i bet cochran tony. If they ended up on the same beach would be fun. Though we get some would have been good. Tv cochran as an underdog again. Because he would not have been like in a way he he would would have entered. Maybe like the biggest star in the orbit like sort of their golden boys survivors. Don't like that right so he he's sort of starts as the underdog which is fascinating. He does have. Sophie was his friend. I'm sure he's got relationships with other people there but man push out neck wilson whose adam. Yeah he's datum line. Yeah adam client all right zach. Nelson says are the fans the least starting tribe of all time. Who asked that zach nelson okay nelson. How many of them do you remember like. That's what's blowing my mind like yes. They're not entertaining but like i haven't walked since it aired in two thousand thirteen. I remember remembered all but laura. How about this The original fans straw. At skating. By eric and eric the only one to return first of all like both tribes and thailand. Interesting for me ask. is there another fan. That would have been eric's the most memorable from fans versus favorite. But would there have been another fan from that season. Bolton is natalie bolton i think is the only other person that sort of gets gets remembered. J yeah yeah they throw sierra. I mean it would've been the same sort of negative energy but thrown sierra from token chains in there that would have been interesting to learn energy favorites. Yeah yeah like cast to the first question. I think we made really anybody from token genes would have been better. Okay let's let's see Kurt wants to know. Where would this season rank if they accidentally lost the tapes to the pre emerging just aired the post merge. What if they said like all right this season we're starting at the merge the this is the game let's just a greatest token change. We talkin jeans okay. Do i think option. Season lost the footage. Top ten season akiva. You just talked about. What a horrible slog. The finale was the worst thing of television of all time like coronation. There's no alternative winner. Possible you're not rooting for anyone against type pathetic. All eric does not have that does not have the. That's not the hypothetical hypotheticals image. Yeah i think maybe it's top twenty. It's probably between ten and twitter. Somebody what if somebody in there is like julia. Landauer so cancel that they can't even eight episodes. She's in and they're like we're just starting at the worst starting at the merge toward that's yes i understand that the changing the hypothetical. How about this. What did you like. Hey look we. We got wild idea. We're gonna run the whole pre merge in two hours in one night and this season is such a turn the reynold and andrea votes into their own episodes. You could you build out the season that way. Now you're a big survivor. Fans would have been the two best. There were two good votes of this season. Yeah said you through this. Three hour retrospect for a retrospective like i look. I think it's a. I think it's a good winner and i think it's a good post merge. I don't think it's top ten and i think akiva nothing you've said tonight has made distinct made me think that you would think it's top ten. No it's not. No i it just the the ideas funny because you're taking out some of the worst stuff in the show but i don't i i think it's like eighteenth overall interesting question would be if brand enhance isn't cast right and you have spencer from token jeans or someone else in the spot. Does that make such a big improvement or for you know what's interesting to me when brendan says brandon says to dawn in the first second episode voting. Is you lost the game Is that true and b. If that doesn't happen and they take out fill up instead of freni is the top twenty very possibly honestly imagine like franny. Wins or something. Randy doesn't have a meltdown. Yeah they go after that brin instead of after cochran and the hold up vote league is holding the season back like i think some of the south are us stuff is like. It's a little tired. But i don't think it's necessary. I can see where you're saying that he agitates brandon. Brandon is going to go off like sooner or later. Renan franny in that. Which i think. Maybe maybe franny is the person instead of the dawn on flip and there's actually like a rival alliance. I think i think the secret to making missed like all the top half season is frankly randy not losing the first step yet. Rub the reason. I think that philip ruins the season is because a person like philip on the show. And i like i don't have been bashing. He will never flip his his. His style of survivor is very boring. It's like an nba game. That's gonna be forty two forty like he will never flip and therefore nothing interesting can ever happen happening because of him. He will never do anything interesting. Gameplay what one more one more question. I get to the rest of these on saturday with the great alex forced in haeusler wants to know. Is this andrea's best game. Definitely i think i mean she could've won like andrea andrea made the final seven and easily could not make edgy one immunity. They're like there's a lot of scenarios where she probably needs to cut cottle cochran. It's not yes she was willing to. She has an ideal at the final seven here in this game. She does not get back like she gets the six in a redemption island. She goes out at eight here in game changers from last week but i thought she never had the inside track game. Changer tumor two more nights. The one she left out in the next one that she could abuse the idol. Three seven. six five she could use it if five misremembered getting. Don't you think at seven. We didn't really talk but at seven she really has to say on planet. She doesn't play it she has to say. I'm playing it to by herself another. I know i know. She clearly wasn't threatened at all so there was no she has to play. I don't think there's no religious voted out. But i do think you have to be like do know what i don't like having an idol. Too much pressure. Maybe you could win it. Let's just vote eddie. And i i'm gonna. I'm gonna apply i think not supplant play it. Everybody knew she had it. I think she wears his tribal council. So i might as well play it tonight. You might even say you have to say if another one of these. Of course. I'm gonna plan i mean does. Does andrew go. Because she's the one scheming or would they have come to that conclusion anyway. Do you think of andrew just stays the course which is hard to do right because you wanna. Timing's everything they're going to get me if i don't get them. But if she stays the course do they actually go to the four. I don't think so. I think she's such a threat. Yeah no reason to take. She's the only person of the of june. Yes then this is her best game because then she didn't think around chip going for brenton now more lions who has any relationship with the minority lions. Yeah i go. Carmo in game changers redemption island and that is going to be a rap on andrea here in the top forty season countdown rap on phillip as well two players to more players that we say goodbye to your favorite returnees attorneys. Okay all right a real quick let me get to our weekly poll. So who's the mvp of the season keep loves a twitter poll so he should now akiba. Who's who's who's the mvp of the season. This is a hard question is it. do you think is it. Cochran like you. Just give out of the winner. See see i voted for. I took this paul. 'cause i wanted to be able to influence the results but i voted for malcolm because again i think before i came in here i was very high on at least. He mounted some sort of resistance. He gave us the only interesting story lines. But fair enough that it's cochran. Fifty six percent for cochrane nineteen percent for malcolm andrea Sneaking in with a nine four votes like the top three. Well one player. Would you most like to see. Come back in a future season i came in. I voted for snowy. I stand by snowy switching to reynold. I think my my reading that. He doesn't switching to ronald say none of them. I don't think anybody's now. Reynolds reynolds ran away with fifty five percent. But i think the real answers none of that fourteen percent for eddie and twelve percent for michael. Snow all right my favorite question. What name in. This cath list made you stop and say to yourself. Wait who's that laura. And it's not close. She was the only person i'd ever member in like the world. People sort of like yes queen laura but she had way less to do on screen like maybe it was like more monday morning quarterbacking because she knew who i want who i pick or what i think the thinks the audience said because i still enjoy land are the race car driver is reference all the time like being like the most boring contestants a straight man i i'm with lord mad at least has an interest survive snow. You know me laura but hoping allier during minium face blind. I don't know the difference between looks like a tow. It's allie forty one percent. Forty know that first of all you have to remember that for the like little force in between them. I guess you don't have yet but you don't know their name. Also i feel like i'm very aware that allies and casting. I thought people with then. I'm talking with alley or hope. Your okay laura alexander with twenty two point twenty two percent Interesting anomaly and then hope was twenty one thousand nine or twenty one point. Three nine percent. julia not in the top. Three could she memorable. Yeah the exist. So yeah she's memorable for being so bad Okay most underrated player of the season. I think dawn. I think dawn like did a lot of things that would be a winning game in another season. I think i picked cochran here. Because i think people don't like well. What's the vibe. Like you famously have your finger on the pulse of the audience. What's i've around. Cochran as a winner. People think this season is boring. But he's a good winner or people over it because jeff so high on him. I think in a little bit of his a dominant. It's dominant winter season. You could say like what's this competition. There's ten ten jokers and then not some of the strongest returning players like his competitions less strong than but say tyson's the next season. Which is i think. A far stronger certainly on the newbies. What do you think Considered an expert like ten best winter. Winter well people have that that. Let's get our next question. But i kind of feel like if Like if he came out and disavowed jeff or vice versa. I think would only help is Standings bad boy image should be like each of these three boy hurt. Eddie's dating prospects docker who's underrate. I'm looking at the photo free. Maybe for france. But i do i think. The audience pills underrated stay with franny. I think they said ronald but they're dumb. They said daun twenty one percent of the vote. Oh there's so dumb. I take back. Everything i've ever said about erik reichenbach at sixteen percent sherry twelve percent. Okay killing and mac. Eric is good. You'll always make the final five or six. He by accident. These are good survivor player. But like you just can't win. Kelly wentworth award for best pre merge boot who got nobody. There is no. There's no. I'm not like doing a bit. There's no good premature you franny. That's fine franny. There's not one essential mar it has to be freni was run away forty eight or we're going to lose like you know bryce and david san like like in garrett like just from one tribe like all those people would dunk on all of the in terms of clamoring for like garrett david samson people clamor for the taste of steve sampson compared to some of these matt bischoff at twenty six percent laura under people still laura alexander riding high with the podcast audience. Fifty talk about. I mean she did have good strategic interesting. She called out reynolds bolt. Yup that we didn't talk about with her. That i remember thinking like oh actually of the three of them of hope and ali and laura. Laura definitely had the best game sense. You know never loved you. Yeah she spotted. The baulch people remembered that. Okay forty seasons. Where would you rank this winter. We ask people to give us a number from one to forty akiva was the average number alleyways thing. I'm gonna say fifteen. So i actually didn't participate in the rankings of the season generally winners are making. I'm just saying i'm just confessing. That i'm like no i have to. I'm like karen. I've got the plan question and i have to confess it so i don't i just really watch. I've enjoyed rewatching this. Like i was telling. Sam like it's fun to watch driver but i don't do it unless i'm showing up somewhere. So no one cared. That's not what you asked. I think he's a really good winner. Maybe eleven the audience ed over. Yeah i offer under no i was going to overrun overrun fifteen over the under fifteen. Now i'm going to say because people don't like the season. I'm going to say it's worse than fifteen. Okay like sixteen. Seventeen point four Yeah i mean cochran doesn't make any mistakes here But this never even brought up like nobody even brings devoting him out. He comes up one time. I think after philip goes home i think that the guys are saying that they want to win immunity and vote and vote cochran out about. Yeah like he doesn't make one mistake the whole season But there's not a ton of things that you could say like on a resume where like Made these moves. But i mean there's not a lot to pick apart. I mean he plays michelle shareholder durling. He plays like not not really not tommy. But i feel like he plays like an underrated game. Everyone likes him. Everyone goes to him with information like he's got a good social game but he's so good at explaining his game like again. I don actually probably did marshall. But he's really great at explaining. It does and i think it works for him that he's this nerd like they're not threatened by him. They underestimate him. And i think they like that and it works for him. He's always in the majority lion's who's in the majority one fine that's good and then after that it's like people gravitate the full out. You know what. I'm saying like him and dawn. There's no way for them to lose at that point. Basically like they're the majority against the favorites. Then they're in the majority against like the rest of you know like they're locked in one to like you could run the game with two people. Okay they did this season too high to lower just right. The audience said just right. Thirty eight percents To low thirty five percent to high twenty six percent and here we added a new questions leaves. A split is split all right. We added a new question this week. What's next okay can can and i. We do a draft draft. What the next so strongly akiva about what you want for this specific i why are you asking me. Are we doing drafter. Were draft one one one one quick to seize each snake draft ugo. I picking south pacific. Yeah all right. Let's see i see how everybody's make clamoring all week. They think of the taste of south pacific one south pacific other person gets all three picks. All right i'm going to pick fiji. Okay alley what are you got. Oh like i just robbed no yet. Okay i'm going to kick. What a man. He didn't draft. And i don't even know what you've already done off the listen. Have you done redemption island yet. Yeah you those postseason. Not the second worst thirty ninth best. I forgo all of their choices. I think it's maybe i is it. Is it good. Bone is probably the next ben. I'll go with all sorts. I don't think it's also can make a can. I make a comment on the rankings. Actually announced comment. I don't think this is like an opinion. we're four hours in. You could basically do whatever you want at this. Like new girl guy right now. Wh- i haven't watched the episode. Listen to watch a fresh thyme behind and we still neither of us watch by the way we did. Joe what terrible branding. We didn't drop a new episode this week. Very stupid market. Thirty s my fault. It's my fault. listen okay. Rob was a banger. Sold out the best season. Yeah the the form gave you the seasons in order so in order to take. Let's say survivor fiji. You would have to drag it down. I think that ended up influencing the actual order of the seasons more than should have were in the future. it probably has to be on the united saying. There's a reason why that the most reasons are telling you. Because i saw i thought that the randomized i keep hearing the only person that would like that as you famously slaves. Why that's why the borneo has a good shot to be number one. I don't think it's good to be number. One and thailand did do very poorly. But i think it gives the those season advantage. And that's why last the last time you did this and it hasn't come up yet not even think it's coming up right now. I think i do you in the draft. Why because i happen to know there was no talking with this week right Are you hitting someone double next week on from south pacific. Yeah are you are you. Are you in my calendar alley lascher. I'm not all right. So next week will be survivor south pacific. I was always open the show with this. This is the cocker in deep dive. But this is like the. The snyder cut of the carimo in first then south pacific so Flashback to dawn cochrane's a first season next week. We'll sophie's tweet. Get a complaining about this. Being twenty nine get more likes than conference to mainland being thirty. Yeah tweet again. We'll cochran tweet. It was so funny that He talked about like he's like i don't leave my house. I don't leave twitter. And then yeah. He's still there. Although he does lead like he's lurking. I don't think tweets often at all not just the reading tweets yes And then i can tell you that. I've confirmed behind the scenes so next week we will have a talking with t. Bird with don me hand coming up next week on next weekend so we can do. The deepa went back. And i look. I haven't talked. I haven't spoken to dawn me han on our podcast since caramel and so it's been eight years since we thought today. We only said it was really deeper. They're unsure will. I'm sure it'll come up. Yeah so we will get into all that next time out so next so one week from tonight we will watch survivor watch survivor. South pacific the twenty ninth season. So this was real. Answer on. I will i will. I will basically this work like we got the like. This was like the benjamin button. Cochran order of game changers carimo in south pacific. Ooh yeah yeah like you would have made a different in the order if you're just setting yourself. Yeah brian scally and belk dick's in will join me next week. So look for that next week. We will get into that on wednesday of next week. And how did we know that that dawn was going to be on. Go back you guessed cheaper this week. Yeah not on every week every week. Talking alley had some infant inside. I just know that there was no talking to you. And then i thought to myself probably because she was originally going to be scheduled this weekend. I said well why like. Let's move it back. come on okay. All right got cochran level thinking. God yes okay all right so what else. What else what else. We need even physically look. This was the longest one and it was by far by far too tight. We weren't even off the keyboard no minutes in. I didn't even do ten. Even shaw props show anymore. Said what i said. No tangents rob. I said don't bring up my son's childhood. Imagine now you don't. Don't you want to go up and anna. One one quick Child story if that's what you're like. I watched the gross challenge with with my kids. And we got to the balut. And i tried to explain what the balut is and i like. It's like it's like a duck egg that's kind of like a like it's like the duck was going to be born but it was like dad. What happened to the duck become. Yeah it didn't make it like what do you mean. It didn't make it. Then you get eddie being like i crunched on the beak or who said that like the first on the blue was a sadder story that i just bugs here. What do you mean. that didn't make it that. Okay that's how you know you're raising nice kids yet. They're not like laughing at a half born eggs right right just to give update my personal rankings of rob's rewatch ability rankings. Kara moen. i'm going to say it was eighth. Overall of the eleven seasons that. I watched this season. I'm going to slot it right under one world and i guess better than the idols because While this season has a low lows island of the idols has lower lows. And we're talking about bottom five then robbed rewatch abilities rewatch ability. Yes point. i'm like it's not going to be topped by three more look The first half is is is really hard to get through. I had the head of i. Eight hits higher highs than island with the idols ever hits also island of the idols has a lower low. But i like that know. One world was probably more of a steady ride throughout so i have an eighth in my rewatch ability. Rankings of the season. All right of course that the people who have listened to this podcast are clamoring for more alley and akiva. Of course they could get that every single week on the new girl old guy podcast new listeners. Every episode is new to them. You think there's someone who it for four hours and twenty minutes into this. Who has not least podcasts. Yeah it's amazing. We didn't say. Check it out anchor dot fm slash new girl old guy when key decide to show up and i'm just getting i've had a week to keeps working hard busy season march madness and then also if you're not tired of me and akiva we're crushing it at thirty two fans talking about the logo brian. Very logo bracket parts breakfast And we there's a new patron level for thirty. Two fans is very eight letters to people who aren't giving me a dime. thank them. What are you writing a letter to people. So based on a joke we've introduced. You know the patron tears are you liking was against this. You were against it and so it keeps us said someone was like. Why isn't there. And i prefer to. Both of them and akiva was like well. It has to be seven dollars. So chester made made a level where all the perks are the same two dollars of your seven or go to charity and i was like well if kiev deter. It makes you so upset. That it's the same perks. I'll like write a letter. One time to these people to like roast them and tell them how stupid is that they joined at this level and tuna patriots joined it for a total of eight people. I'm writing letters to know really raking in the rental the trauma counsel don roast. Me roast biro. Yes you call them all chauvinist things. Maybe i'll get ideas from this final tribal. I'll be like do you know why you're sitting here as a patron of defense me a picture of you with your teeth okay And then the kiva alley. Also that i will not stand for this brian. Colon erasure your your committing erasure Salmon you billing me as ngo g person. that's my mistress pie. My main my main squeeze the challenge. Podcast rob has website dot com slash challenge. I tunes old website. But it'll take you where you need to go. Yes no longer exists. But it's a bribe. His website com slash challenge. Think there's one chance if there's any chance that brian or i will remember that. Will we will just be giving out the wrong thing. All right then keep us. Yeah akiva this weekend. The tv theme song. What get over on. What's going to be the longer. Podcast this or the theme song to brexit. Based on the time we're starting at night. I don't think it's physically possible for it to be longer than this like. My children will probably start waking up. Tommy starting eight thirty at night on some on. Some can't squeeze an ngo g before. I'll do ngo before that We just booked at now in the chat. Here i say More eight o'clock on. So i'm looking at something. And you're looking at your. You're you're mixing me up anyway. Alexander chester and chapelle on on the podcast this week yeah bracket season continuing thirty two fans. Ngo g drive to survive on netflix. That show but i like it. People should watch it. That's about it okay. All right Let's see what's what's coming up Scott saint-pierre has been standing by for hours. The show you. What's what's coming up here earlier tonight. We had our wednesday night. Big brother canada boy. Are you checking this big brother canada. Absolutely not neither of us are watching. Don't have access bigger towns or wednesday night. Recap i believe it was Taryn melissa and geneva checkout our wednesday. Recap of big brother. Canada then Tariff's gonna be live tomorrow morning. It's going to be a solo taryn on thursday to get you the latest Big brother victor. And it's been a wild season. Big brother canada nine So far Over on our ninety day fiance's. What's about time i watched ninety day. Fiance with akiva fella. Now here i am an hour here. I am watching a whole season and went through the latest episode with me and sasha joseph as we're closing in on the end of the ninety day fiance's season now. Can i ask you a question. Anything i used to think okay. You don't like the challenge because survivor but a lot more of the reynold alley cooking up kind of drama stuff. Stats for you know. I like i like watching ninety fiance. Which is all trash drama. Why not meet me in the middle. So not in omaha at the challenge. I don't like challenges that i like. Dry that's what night. If you on say off you. Could you could watch the challenge and fast forward. The challenges just never know. And that's and that's what i do most mostly but as far as like me podcasting a show challenges fighting. You shouldn't surprise. You don't like it as a television show even likes it. Is that what you don't like it. Stephen loves a challenge. I it's not that i dislike the show. It's about it. i watch almost nothing. If i'm not podcasting it's really that i watch nothing places restaurant. Yeah oh my god. Beauty and the geek heart grass listeners. Chapelle and myself are watching one. Show a week this month to Find the new show to watch. And so jenny. Autumn is gonna stop by the rhp rewind to show us an episode of beauty and the geek. Which i never watched. Before to north notable that beauty and the geek actually it might only season to beauty. And the geek. Yes but i'm trying to remember. I want to keep. Can you factor. Meanwhile i say this that you know the producer of jeopardy host. He's the host of beauty. And the geek them alex collins or something. I can tell you as name. But i was watching jeopardy because i'm highbrow like that and i was like i know that guy and so i'm also love round mike richards hypo show the highest the browse. What is we'll fortune. The lowest of we lowbrow. Here's actually can we have. We don't even know what genuine can at sixty minutes. Do we stop talking about. And then most people watch both nineteen reports mentor here. Trying to fortune wheel of fortune is like it's just medium brown like a row. Yeah it's a it's a unit brown. Yeah did you have ninety sportscenter in those rankings thousand nine. That was very high class. Okay we got. Let him all right myself mike bloom. And lindsey wilson Of course The for the woman who put together the oral history of the sleepover another night. That will live in infamy for all of us that we got this. Yes talk about survivors. Funniest family visits miserable though survivors. Funniest family visits on out without playlist. go ahead and check out nothing from the survivor camera family visit. We didn't talk about though. I'm sure you'll talk. Chose brother brother brother. We get eric and much. Because eric has not seen that as and see it. He didn't see him about it but yeah it is bizarre that he aggregate backs brother because stick the whole season. He was just talking about the brother. Know about ready for it brother. No then yeah that's tough. Yeah now that would be very interesting coincidence. The brothers the season and eric just thinks to make reference. Maybe the should be on. Outwit outplay it. List okay. Tough as nails bad back on thursday myself and my snow jessica lease We'll talk about toughest nails Once again and got a watch that tomorrow morning of the latest nails. Of course that if you want to hear our patriot feedback show with everything else. We have gone Patriot mafia this weekend with christian ubiquity co hosting with zan vakili another round the patron mafia put together by jordan kayla head over robbins website dot com slash patron to get a load of everything else that we have Going on of course if you're watching the youtube video go ahead and make sure you subscribe to our youtube channel or the podcast For more content like this all right they go and of course paul's on social media rabs website com Of course Has a podcast on twitter. That's where you can find this. Mike cochran Plug my twitter and at rhp grams plug. Our twitter is that that was the whole thing. Yeah that's mine if you're in you know where to find us. Yes okay anything else before we wrap this up. I've been physical paid longest up sudden history. Rob's podcasts also know tyson. yeah we've passed me make. This can't be your longest visit. Good that hold on. Let's keep going for an keep the yours want to break the record. It is true. I do want to break the i can confirm. Is that true or not. I think this is. I do believe chat sam more poor santa maria to be fill like i feel like we just talked about it in four hours. Went by yeah. We're very thorough. I feel like some of the recaps. Rob is you know yati yada yada yada over this. Add more than most. So you wanna you wanna pipe in clubhouse here for a little bit. And the takes takes some feedback from clubhouse. I've been hearing a month. You want to do a live feedback. Show for mu- within the month android people are going to be On clubhouse what are you kidding me like. It's the vaccine within a month andrew. What's more excited. Rob is much more excited about club. Yeah eleven minutes so we have. We've found that. I didn't even didn't even see that coming. Congratulations on congratulations to you too. I feel bad so hopefully one chapelle or something. I agree time. This flu robin. I like to do. We like to talk about how good the podcast was joking. I told the kiva not podcasting with him anymore. If i techs after saying. I'm worried about rob getting afterwards. Was that was fun right. And then we'll both be asleep within like that. Well this was. I had a great time Rob thank you for letting you the hashtag for people who made it this far We did this on johnson. The record-setting podcasts watermark. Should it be At the records the three amigos famously. I don't know if alley ever opted into being one of the three amigos come on. Allie your mobile chesser called me. The other which i think is good like this. That and i'm the other don't belong. That's you and chester and akiva going on chesterfield's people don't know thirty bucks not actually one with the guy over there. Why can't where's my finger on the screen with that lady and then alex isn't here was at route to not invite alex to the show. His thing i mean alex i don't know let's see i'm miserable rob. I'm sorry i'm being john apart. We've no no. I've had a great time. But i'm just like i'm at my max for at least four hours thirty one minutes that i have not paed- in four hours and i know we all do we not normal tyson. During the four hours eleven minutes has had to feed at least watch it live but few remember from the old Spice in our days those guys could sing the song among us. All right I think that's the cue. I think to to wrap it up. Okay so no hashtag you got. You got anything tv. Three amigos alli doesn't want to do amigo because it means they think friends and the damn we didn't even talk about how terrible trying to explain to my kids like what the name is. That's not funny Talking about cochran kissed on the monarchy but we got to that all right. Go back to the beginning all right. So i'm watching the finale. Do you have the video. Q learning video cute. Bring your twitter bring. I'll bring up your twitter. Because i'm watching the video clip. What podcast. that's that's why of you would tagore Rob so i might buy twelve year. Old doors watching. She's like whoa. Whoa whoa rewind right now. So she goes. She goes back to right. After cochran has been declared the winner cochran goes to get congratulated by dawn. Mahan place go runner up. And then what happens. Rob all right. Can you akiva coming in. I guess that appears to have been like a. This is like a stephen fishbach. Hit the wrong target. That i don went left but then cochran went left and then don i still here and feel like i froze. No you're here. They don went in. There's no missing target cochran trying to dodge like well. You know i'll take it cochran get your take on this because it. It's fun to a hundred hours a week about this one hour or two hours of television show and i was listening to every second of any survivor content back then. I do not remember one mention of this. Nobody was doing the freeze frame here. S by loom. He's like i don't remember. There was any doubt that akiva raising a young legend he sent me. This and i said akiva. I have this huge in my notes. I two rewound. i'm frozen on my on video frozen. Do to rewound like three todd and then tried to clip it and then was like too much. Okay just a shocking moment. Honestly you would get two hours of content out of that easily. Well i thought we were gonna talk about how you feel about kissing your parents on the mouth but well how we could ask ahve. That people kissed their parents on them. I don't know. I don't know what people do. Yeah my daughter. My daughter points out that cochran after kissing door on the mouth goes to his grandma and kisses her on the mouth and then his mom. It's three mouth kisses in within the span of twenty seconds. Okay especially a kid who has corona for. You know who knows how long pretty crazy. That's cochrane's move. He's a mouth kisser. Might be a mess kisser. I'm so upset honestly. Because i turned to low deaf so i'll stay in the low for the next whatever but i keep explains everything like a rabbi. At the high holidays he knows that i mean i don't know if that's a reference it lands at the but like the finger in the like a rabbinical person leagues winning. And i'll tell you my daughter When he's fired up he's i'm doing it. I was a teacher and be. I come from my father's rap. Okay good night. Thank you all right so hashtag mouth kisses kisses her mouth kisses. It's true. well you're the the. Yeah i don't know kisser is always guessing with the mouth. I guess it's just whether the kissy is getting the mouth through the or mouth kissers and a colin time is not more says hashtag amigos no more the suit three amigos and the number two number three or The word grade three amigos break the record. I think should be the hashtag out to climate. 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It is the Los Angeles Rams Defensive Lineman Sebastian Joseph Day who has donated money to help get food to people Sebastian. Thanks FOR FOR COMING. In and What was it with you and because I mean you're not making Tom Brady money. You're doing all right. But what was it for you to say I gotta give back here a honestly with just you know what really inspired me is operatives influences on my parents and also video. I saw of a nurse in New York City when the when depend on that. All Time. High hearst Destroy the struggles facing the hospital for not having a copper quip from Not Not being able to to to you know. Have the right equipment to people have enough room in the hospital and things like that. You know the seeing the amount of stress healthcare heroes are going to just enforcement to do something about it Obviously you know you know giving them meals and whatnot Just a little taste could do. I thought just to help because I'm not in the day. After a long day of trying to everyone else they from the pandemic and keeping and keeping the and going home and then having family safe from Krona's well that can be exhausting and having to put on the table could be even more talented. So that's really when starting to do it it's very cool and for people who don't know when you were coming out of rutgers late pick six round pick so first of all you had to make the team not only. Do you make the team you end up in the Super Bowl was your head just spinning or did it kind of feel like this is just what we do every year. No no I definitely spending very unfathomable Experience ever these it and It was a blessing and it was awesome. Because like you say late round pick and I was able to learn behind such amazing players like stew and like a Aaron Donald and so that really gave me a year to really develop and work on my game for me to end up starting this year. That came up this past year. That came up so You know a lot of critical those our leaders to their guys making leaders eight Aaron Embach so Yeah well yes. We know how good Aaron Donald is and that can only help you. Not only can he teach you stuff but teams will kion him a little more. But as you go into your third year they always kind of say the old adage is. Is that when you get to your third year? The game kind of slows down. You like all right. I I know what's going on here. Now what is that true? Do you think yes very much. So it's crazy because even towards like I felt like towards like the the bottom half of the season game. Really this down for me and and You know I thought you know I feel like my game kind of elevated in that sense. 'cause you know how it is you know like. I said my I kinda redshirt talk about your year and then this year you know I was in there throwing the fire so I don't WanNa year without playing real ball and So so you last year getting you know I kinda just kinda like growing pains for me and I was learning and obviously having Avian. Brock next week really helps obviously Dante Clay Matthews. All that all that really helped me and You know I'll be able to develop Very well so I'm really GONNA be no year three very cool and as I said Scarlet Knights there and in piscataway and I guess when you decided you wanted to go there they were in the big east and then you're there on. What was it the American for a year? And by the time you left your in the big ten that have talk about your head spinning here in three different convoy. Yeah those insane so bathroom as a lot of people don't know that That you mentioned that so it was so interesting visit time battling for the big east championships on Espn going at Louisville and Teddy Bridgewater was quarterback and And Louisville was ranked and there were really really and it was really good like rutgers. Football is really good at the time or whatnot and then I got there and everything just how I live from. Coaching coaching changes to compensate. There's a lot of it lifts But like I I wouldn't I wouldn't trade it for the world It was the best experience the best experience I ever had. Because you know it really helps a really tested my character early testing my integrity As a man and just going through such probably tribulations of the young man really. I said really build character. I'm just happy I wouldn't trade it for the world because if I didn't go through all that and if I can't go to rutgers I wouldn't today. I'm super thankful and indebted. Luckily University for that very cool a couple more questions for Sebastian. Joseph Day of the rams very proud of your your Haitian roots and I understand your. Your grandfather was a politician when Francois Duvalier was there and we know that Hispanola. That island has many challenges. And there's a lot of poverty there as well but what does that mean to you as a as a Haitian American and having a success that you've had You know I it just you know. I'm just crowd proud to be an American man. I feel like I feel like a lot of like bad. Connotation bad media that kind of goes to Haiti It's always negative but there are people there are beautiful and and so pure and the island and there's certain parts of the islands at island. That is actually beautiful. Well It means the world to me to be able to represent the Asian American community and Just represent for them and and show everyone in the world that You know A patient American people are hard working Good citizens and I just I just take their lunch pail and go to work each day when you're in L. Listen there are a lot of people who wanNA play in. La And you'd think about Hollywood and you're moving into a brand new stadium. Maybe the best in the entire world when it's all said and finish the you kind of feel the Glitz of ten town or you're so locked into playing football that you don't even notice it'd be on it. I'm we're like you get like the D. Line but the whole region really watched him man like yeah like every once in a while you like go and enjoy being in La like as a group yell you know something like a nice dinner or something but and as a dance really business. And that's why treated as well. I just get better get worse. And that's the way I look at it. No doubt about it all right. Well listen We think it's great for people who want to help out. I WanNa make sure that we mentioned that superfine pizza chef. Steve Sampson the people that are helping support bring meals to Cedar Sinai Frontline Medical Staff. How can people get involved with this? Yes Hello Hello Yeah Very simple all you have to do. All you have to do is to go on my instagram right. Go My instagram at Sir. I R underscore Bash S. H. underscore a lot and My profile link on the bottom the bottom and it is Cesky fasteners link of where he is of where he is providing providing meals and I have to click on the link and then don't follow the steps to donate and donate simple as that and then you shut up a chesapeake stamps man. He's been awesome You know he's awesome and he's a he him and his screaming not mazing job at the meals. The Cedar Sinai Awesome Job with the meals asset. Send it into a hospital in Inglewood as well so shots in those guys tried to the restaurant and superfine people and pretty cool. The schedules are officially out. It kind of feels like we might be playing some football pretty soon. You must stay. You must be pretty fired up. Oh yeah man them. People fired out. Man I love this game and you know it's blessing. It's a blessing man. Feels do what you love for a living and And I'm super fired up and I'm super and I know the teams before up as well where we're going to be a younger team but we're going to be super holmdale super excited all right Seemed like a real good guy giving back to the community. That's the Rams Defensive Lineman Sebastian Joseph Day. Hey have a great season man and Congratulations on on what you're doing in the community as well appreciated thank you. Thanks for having me outlet going. I say all right. Thank you good stuff for the rest of the way come on. Are you paying too much for Term Life Insurance? 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Meet this free call right now to learn more eight hundred four zero three five nine one to eight hundred four zero three nine one to eight hundred four zero three five nine one two. That's eight hundred four. Oh three fifty nine twelve talking to me. Awesome Rick tittle can usually be found at he. Baby Mama thank you for that. Welcome back to the show to the with you. One eight hundred eight seven plays. It's open lines. The rest of the way Sebastian seem like a very nice young man didn't he I remember. I don't know how old I was but I remember when I looked at college football. And they look like kids and I realize aches because even when I was a freshman in high school. Seniors looked like grown-ups to me. And I remember I was on the freshman football team and I went to Varsity game and it just it looked like the NFL. Like oh my gosh. These guys are so big and fast and strong. I get killed out there now. I'm calling this Guy Kid. I'm old enough to be his grandfather. Speaking of college got an email here. Thanks for sending it Kenny. 'em Says Rick everyone will now jump to the G. League. Why wouldn't you let the whole thing about these players like Jalen Green who decided to go straight to the G. League or Dacian last week pulling out of UCLA to go to the G. League and everyone's like it's going to be a complete change for the sport and not in in a good way and people have said? It's a crushing blow. Well I mean member Brandon Jennings ten years ago. He decided I'm GonNa play in Italy and seven years ago Emmanuel mood. I said I'M GONNA play at China was supposed to be in Dallas at SMU and even last year R. J. Hampton. He went to the Australian League. After high school. Dairy Bazeley accepted a guaranteed one million dollars for a five year. Endorsement deal from new balance to work as an intern and train instead of playing college basketball at all. And so despite these well-publicized opt-outs College basketball has more than managed to survive. Were it not for March Madness? Being blown out by krona virus it would have had massive ratings and if anything you could say in a weird silver lining type of thing that the lack of dominant individual players makes for more parody in the game. I mean think about when Carmelo Anthony was a freshman at Syracuse. He walked to the National Championship. Mellow and you could say. Well Patrick Ewing never one. Well he was in an Arrow and you had guys like Alon in Jordan and that was a special era of college basketball magic and bird when against each other in the title Game Michigan State in Indiana State. So you could say you take out Jordan Bird. Mellow those guys. Maybe College Basketball's better now. You don't have the stars but those guys who stand out. I mean look at Eric Paschal four years at Nova and now he's in the NBA and this whole thing about playing college. Sports is is a privilege. I remember when I got my driver's license. They kept stressing. This is a privilege not a right. You do not have a right to a driver's license and we will strip you of that privilege if you can't handle it and just about everyone knew in high school couldn't handle it. I was the only guy that drove the speed limit. In the slow lane of sums me up no one one of my friends and whether hidden a bong but Not Judging just stating but one choice is a college experience. Furry year you get exposure to campus life you get exposure to advanced education. Looks like perhaps I took a lot of college classes. That were worthless. But you know you get an allowance of a couple thousand bucks to spend while you're there and you can choose that special advantage to you know go to march madness and all sorts of things with that and you know. Get Fifteen to twenty units under your belt more maybe and then go back later but for those who wish to accelerate their exposure to professional live the G. League or an international league are Great Alternatives. And like anything. There's risk reward and the pay for play model for college basketball I don't know if that's GonNa go in this whole thing with the G. League is this seismic shift. Is it really just a couple of players and believe me the G. League is not interested in you? Being the all league player in Biloxi? All League you're not gonNA Julie. I'm not know about how many guys play basketball in America. And they've taken three right. There's a start to make a little more sense now. They've taken threes at a seismic shift. And a lot of these guys. They peaked too early. And that when I was in little league and this is a long time ago. This is when Oklahoma wanted statehood. How dare they just the dust bowl but the there was one pitcher that we knew we were terrified of him name was Jamie and he threw the ball so fast. You couldn't see and I remember. My friend was thrilled. That he hit a foul tip and I popped out and people were treating me like I was making mantle because I managed to pop out. He was nece freak who I don't know what he was throwing. Maybe it was eighty but it was something ridiculous for our age group. He never even played in high school and then there was one kid when I was in advanced little league like junior high as aim was arnold and my coach said that. There's one guy here that has a chance to go to the big leagues. It's Arnold Arnold went out for the same high school team I did. And he got cut two years later because he peaked so just because he's guys go to the D. League doesn't mean that they're guaranteed to make it in but you think about those high school guys who went straight in. Kobe Cagey Lebron. Those are three. And then you've got some others in there. You know the Germain. I forget his name but Montiel's there are guys that have made it and they're guys that don't even get drafted the NBA. The ratings there were a little bit down last year. Do they need more stars? I don't know what it is but the the the team the networks that do college basketball. They're a little bit scared of it that they're not going to be in it but to decry the fall of college basketball. The one great thing about that is you do have is Harry Edwards says the inexhaustible core of gladiators that will not be picked up by the G. League and can get plugged in and honestly if it's the old rules where hey you need to go to college for this amount of time or if you don't send out highest cleaning to do three years baseball unless as a junior college and hockey you go back to your college after. You're drafted or the juniors so many weird rules in every sport but I do not begrudge even a kid who grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth to take the cash a guaranteed one million just to intern at the NBA. A hundred and twenty. And then you take the situation. A lot of these guys Duh goes without saying come from areas Depressed Areas UNDERSERVED CHALLENGED ALL PC WORDS. We WANNA say they're poor areas and they're single family homes a lot of time and the one parent usually the moms working three jobs to try to take two or three minimum wages together and all of a sudden mommy. We don't live there anymore. He's not going to buy her a castle but get a really nice apartment or house somewhere without money for a while till he makes it or you can go to Ohio state and flirt with girls on campus for a year and then drop out I mean. Is that really that much better? I'd rather have the cash now. We need the cash now. So College basketball has already announced their preseason conference matchups. They've announced their holiday tournaments. The Post Super Bowl bracket policy interests will go up again with the NCAA tournament when it comes back and you keep the eyeball count on it but we were just talking yesterday to a guy Chris wise from design sensory intelligence. He said sixty percents fans. He talked. Who said they'll come back with the same amount of interest. Thirty six percent said more vim and vigor. That they'l