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Hour 2 - Steve Phillips (05-28-20)

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Hour 2 - Steve Phillips (05-28-20)

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Xm Get his thoughts on the players in the owners and this is the hatfields and mccoys and they've made it and it doesn't feel like there's a resolution now what happens a Lotta times when you have a lockout you know you have a strike. It doesn't take much to get everybody back together. And it's usually one or two items now feels like there's a lot more but it feels like there's one or two items. This is just a monetary aspect of this. You still have to get all the safeguards in place of where you're playing in. The testing is their fans. And who gets to go to the game? What about the media? How many members of the media get to go you know? What is the process just to get into the game to cover the game to play in the game? All of these items that are there but money is the issue here and it has been the issue and the players. It feels like are taking a stand saying no more pay cuts here. But we'll talk to Steve Phillips got us a calming voice on this. He's seen both sides. He's a former player and of course worked in the front office with the so. He'll join US coming up. I gotTA ask Steve. Did Steve was Steve. They're offering Bobby Baena his contract that the mets are still paying for. Could you check that mclovin? I don't want to put this on Steve but they did sign Bobby Baena to that. What twenty five year deal where I think he's still getting paid by? He was playing for other teams and still getting paid by the mets. But I think it is going to go on for a few more years. Yeah Paulie that contract started in two thousand eleven and ends in two thousand thirty five the total payout is thirty million but I think a lot of those contracts are the. Gm does a good job in deferring money allowing you to sign another player for that upcoming season so from a baseball standpoint. That may have not been a bad move. I think it's it's was a bad move. I don't know but I don't want to put that on Steve that he's the one who did pull off the trade for Piazza so I gotta be fair to him on that too. Yep every time you look up on the Internet Bobby Benin contract. There's always lots of stories of them and use picture bobby. Bonilla where he's smiling like. He just won the lottery. Smile did win the lottery. Yes mclovin bring up and the next day it was like Steve was involved. Ed Move on all right. Scrap that then. There's no reason to bring that up. No reason to bring up any history there. But he'll join his jerry. West will join US coming up in an hour from now. Eighty two years of age. Love having Jerry. So we'll have the hall of Famer Mr Clutch I had a stat here and I'll bring it up this hour because there's no way. I'm going to bring it up next hour when Jerry joins US JERRY. West is one of eight players to win the NCAA final four most outstanding player and win the MVP and the NBA finals. But Jerry West is the only one to do both in losing efforts stat of the day of the day that passed out of the day stat of the day comes that stat of. Why am I going negative here? Got Steve Phillips on. I appreciate that no need to bring up. Bobby Baena MO VAUGHN Jerry West on. But how good you have to be that you're the most valuable player in the NBA finals and you lose and you're in the NCAA final four. You're the most outstanding player and you lose as well so jerry will join US coming up next. Our phone calls are welcome. We settle on a poll question or something different. This hour mclovin okay. We have a couple different options we did. We did the first hour. Nba Players Or. Would you want your family there? People said For whatever reason poly to this question with the Lance Armstrong documentary out there and Barry Bonds? We talked about last hour. Who will history treat the harshest overtime Barry Bonds Lance Armstrong Houston Astros? I'm not sure all the astros are in there. Yeah okay now. It's like a they cheated. Ra we move on. Lance Armstrong is still Lance Armstong. I have no idea why he agreed to do this documentary part of it because he has no self awareness. It is amazing to him but then I wonder if he ever had self-awareness because he's not helping his his Co. caused his case if he's trying to ingratiate himself he's not doing a good job at all in bonds was like this. We understood that this is who bonds was bonds. Wasn't trying to be your friend he didn't Care Lance. It feels like can't understand why you don't admire him or you don't want him to be your friend or whatever approach. You may have our thoughts about that. Lance doesn't have self awareness during this documentary. Doesn't come off. Well I think bonds probably will be treated harshest because it was baseball. I mean we we sort of care. The reason why Lance Armstrong hurts a little bit more to people is we feel. We reduced by live strong. We feel we rebuked by his story him win in the Tour de France. We didn't care about the Tour de France. But then lance one and all of a sudden we went the last time you locked in and went. Can't wait to watch the Americans in the Tour de France. Chances are it was probably when was racing? Because I don't think you care if we have a chance to win we care. I mentioned the America's Cup yachting. We don't know. What do we know or care about yachting? But we lost the America's Cup. Then we wanted it back then met war. Yeah Paulie but don't you think that Astros will be go down in history as the one proven proven cheating team to win a title in American sports history. I don't know of another. That's if there is one I don't know but we don't know of it but they're going to go down as a team. There's no question there's very little question. I think there's no quota they cheated to win a world series. We don't know how many times they cheated. We know we cheated okay but we don't know how many games they cheated but the problem with them as they won there's I'm sure there's other teams that cheated and got in trouble and things like that but the season they accused of cheating they won the world series so when you go through the list. It's like remember those guys. Well what about teams that use? Steroids like football teams. The Nebraska cornhuskers won national titles and there was evidence that they're players were using steroids. Their offensive line. Did they cheat? Did the Pittsburgh steelers with those players on their offense of line. Did they cheat or was it everybody else's cheating so it's not cheating the Lances I guess his philosophy is everybody else was cheating. I was just better at them cheating. I he's not denying that he cheated. I think what he's saying. What's the deal? Everybody was cheating so what yes mclovin. I mean I think the Red Sox won eighteen. I can't remember what year they got officially busted for but they were doing the same thing as you astros right. Yeah but we don't know there was. I mean what were the penalties? The Red Sox fired their manager. But they're baseball didn't come down hard on the Red Sox for cheating. I think they did something to them right. Did they exactly? We don't even know what they did. Right yeah so I now do the Astros cheat absolutely I just. I don't know if we're going to vilify the Astros. In twenty twenty five years from now my boys had a lot of teams are probably doing with the Astros or doing data help them in the long term that is true. I think doctoring baseballs. That's why when I think there was that moment between Jim Leyland and Tony Larussa and the world series and it's like you're going to call his pitcher on that Ping goes you knew. Your pitcher was doing the same thing. Now I'm good up. Just keep on. Let me see a couple of things I saw where Baker Mayfield Junior. The third had a not a press conference but a teleconference and I guess that was just meeting with members of the media and the browns writers. Since he can't be there in person and Baker Mayfield had this to say about his new philosophy. Moving into this season have a different approach in this year. Everybody has been interviewed in. Our team is GonNa hit the nail on the head over and over about you know it's just time to work. Signed do our thing instead of talking about it. This is the Earth media thing I've done just. There's no need to be talking about it to do it in right now. It's kind of movement in silence. Which Steiner from me? That's how I used to do it before getting on a bigger stage so I'm happy to get back to those roots like I said earlier. Give back to the fundamental where I can accomplish the bills season coming now. He finally listen to me. No commercials no nothing. Don't challenge anybody in the media. Just shut up and play football and you WANNA YOU WANNA put people you want to put them in their corner there. You can do that by playing great football you can shut everybody else up by just playing great football. You don't have to talk a good game. You must play a good game. This the most important year of Baker's career because this is gonNA decide if the Cleveland browns are GONNA go. Hey this is a guy. We're going to sign to a second contract here. You got offensive line help you gotTA TIGHT END TIGHT END. You got your wide receivers. You got two running backs here. No excuses here. No more excuses. He should have A. If he doesn't have thirty touchdown passes. He had a bad year this year. They are a playoff team. And he should have thirty touchdown passes and if a taking back to what he did is first year when he how he played in college that will be very important for Baker. Mayfield very important. But be quiet. You didn't earn anything now. You can prove it and then you could get that second contract but the more he talked the worst got the more challenged people the worst had gone. Just just let your play. Tell everybody what it needs to because believe me it will. Yep I completely disagree with as Baker Mayfield. Got To where? He is a heisman. Oklahoma football eleven wins first round. Pick his rookie of the year. All by being brash and in your face is feeling a year from now. We're GONNA here Baker Mayfield. Say I gotta get back to being me. I gotta get back to challenging. People get in people's faces last year I try to go to a shell and let the media control me. That's what we're going to hear a year from now Well it didn't go well last year when he was Baker Mayfield and it certainly helps when you're at Oklahoma and you're playing those defense is yeah. Yeah a all of a sudden you look a whole lot better their NFL. Humbles you man humble you? That's what happened. Good Story Underdog Story and all of a sudden go. I'll look at Baker Mayfield. He's been great the second year. We got Odell Beckham. And Hey we're we're GONNA go to the Super Bowl and then all of a sudden you know you're not even leaving Cleveland Dude. You're not going anywhere. This is kind of how Cam Newton's career star out his first year in the pro bowl twenty one touchdown seventeen picks the next year. He cooled off. His percentage was down is touchdowns. Were down his productivity was down and then following year he's twelve and four is third year in the League. Cam Newton was twelve and four and look. I like Baker. I like that personality. But there's a time and a place for it and it felt like he would be playing bad in those progressive commercials would come on and you go no no. That's not good now. Those are funny if you're twelve and four when Peyton did all his commercials and Peyton was winning. That's the difference it Payton's gone five and eleven. You're going okay. It's funny yeah it's okay. Yeah all right Peyton withdrawal southern drawl nationwide got Brad Paisley here braved. May Brad not as funny. Clever certainly was clever when he was winning and Peyton funny because he's winning Baker. No I also saw this foregone conclusion to a tongue of Iowa. We'll start in week. One question mark the dolphins have indicated that to Tonga by. So if you're going to do Click Bait. You do not put a question. Mark there question. Mark means it's not a story foregone conclusion to a Tonga. We'll start week one. It's not a foregone conclusion. If I got a question mark there foregone conclusion to a ton of I low. We'll start week one question mark okay. The dolphins have indicated that of Viola might start the season on the bench until he's ready to start in the twenty twenty season but bleacher reports. Mike Freeman find. Nfl writer says that tongue of Iowa Starting Week. One is a foregone. Wait if you're writer is saying it's a foregone conclusion. Then don't put a question mark by it is he saying reporting those are two different things. Seton can say that too is going to start. Let me see if he's got sources here my sources right now showing me. He's either going to start week. One from the and Banca Let me see what this dolphins Week one is foregone conclusion. Let me see if there's anything else in here. Let's go with it probably publish it. I clicked on the story. I think todd added the question. Mark IS I. Don't see the question mark in the story. Todd did you ask the? Did you put the question? Mark There. Did you edit this? You GotTa turn on your MIC. That's how it works. I put a question mark in the headline but in my headline for the subject of why are you doing that? Who the hell are you to put a question mark in the headline because that was my always my website but this is a surprising piece of. Who'S NUMBER ONE? He's supposed to be ahead of two and all of a sudden the editorial staff here for bleacher report not. I took. I took a little liberty there. I Guess I apologize to Mike Freeman. I didn't know that todd was all of a sudden going to be editing. This is my question is really. This is interesting to be starting. Okay wait a minute. Hold on a second. Because there's to question marks right there's the subject of Todd's email that says to US starting week one question mark and then the next part is foregone conclusion to will start week one question mark. Todd did you put both of those question marks in anything in the actual copy. I did not put a question. Mark my only question mark was in the subject I clicked on the story. There's no question Martin okay. Well I'm glad that you brought that to our attention. Do you want to apologize on behalf of this journalistic FAUX PAS says four? Losin foregone conclusion? Todd that's what that's what's being reported. I know but you don't if you WANNA put after we will start week one period. Then you put boy. I have a question mark about this by the dolphins. Have the announced that. He's the starting quarterback domes try. Don't try because some sources are saying that it's a foregone conclusion until the dolphins come out and say are starting quarterback. One is to a then. That's a question to me. When does the report get to tell a team whose to him? He's not putting a question mark after this report. It's still a report. It's not back reports. I know you. He understand what you're saying. And I says it's a foregone conclusion. That's his his report his opinions foregone conclusion. That's great. I think the reason why put the question mark in not to confuse you and I apologize have not said that. He's not the way this works. That's not the way this of course they're journalistic piece of confusion there. Yes she did so I will apologize for that. Well doesn't sound like you want to. I'll be more careful with my punctuation. And my you know you can say boy. I got questions about this. But you've added a question mark in the title. Really Question Mark. There would have been good interpretation after the so Mike Freeman. We apologize cleared that up. Just move on nothing to see here. So it looks like to is definitely the week one quarterback regardless offense. Front office we go. There's the toddler there is passive aggressive. Here he is ladies. That's great that Mike Freeman assisted. Gmo denouncements every story. You see where somebody makes a declaration. Do you put a question mark for now on my subject going to be not you do this all of them because this isn't the first time somebody. Oh you have. But of course this kind of Ruckus and you just can't say you know what my bad actually pride you say. Check out this story just Chani after the hour. We'll talk to Steve Phillips. Former mets general manager will join US or will we question mark? Wait a second. I just like I'm getting up getting wiser. Mike Freeman new vice president of play. I like house somehow all the sudden because todd screwed up. He's attacking Mike Freeman. I like somehow it's his fault hanging on that particular basic did his job. He did something. Some information there and near were responsible was gotten from the dolphins for the foregone conclusion. You would think he or somebody would've went to devastate the conclusion. What response have been given by the foregone conclusion from wanting to win? Foregone this is where you always try to talk yourself out is something you do. I'm the only one of Stanford. Does that you twenty after the hour. This is the Dan Patrick. Show question mark to can't wait to save start shut up. That's fantastic. Thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast be sure to catch us. Live every weekday morning nine to noon eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox sports radio. Find your local station for the Dan. Patrick show at Fox sports radio DOT COM or stream. It live every day on the iheartradio APP by searching F s. Our support for the Dan. Patrick show comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by quicken loans home today so much more than it was yesterday but at rocket mortgage home is still all about you during these challenging times the top priority at rocket mortgage the health and safety of the communities. They serve if you need mortgage assistance. Their teams available twenty four seven to answer questions and offer solutions whether that means saving money on your mortgage are finding a new way to navigate payments from their home to yours. The team at rocket mortgage is with you visit rocketmortgage dot com Dan to learn more call for cost information conditions. Equal housing lender licensed in all fifty states molest consumer access dot org number three zero three Derek. Coming up a little bit. We'll talk about tailgating at College Football Games. I brought this up a couple of weeks ago. Article New York magazine by Will Leach. Who Lives in Athens Georgia? And he proposed the question that we ask a couple of weeks ago. What if fans are allowed in the stands but you still have people show up to Tailgate at the stadium? We'll talk about that coming up. One of the bright baseball mind that I worked with at the Mothership Steve Phillips host of leadoff spot on MLB network and Sirius Xm former mets GM. He joins US on the program. Steve full disclosure. I heard you a mad dog radio this morning coming in and I said you know what Steve is making some Nice you know concrete bite-sized answers here given opinions on both sides of this and I thought you know what let me have him. Come on in summarize. Exactly what is going on with Major League Baseball Right now? So thanks for joining us on short notice and it's great to see you see it to glad to be here and obviously these negotiations go in baseball made their proposal and I it was effectively a non starter for the union the idea of the sliding and the way to look at it is owners have proclaimed that they're gonNA lose forty percent of the revenues without fans in the stands that includes tickets sales concessions parking all of that that's forty percent. The proposal they made to the players on taking a pay cut off of the prorated salary is a sliding scale that impacts guys differently depending upon them twenty to make but effectively on average. They're asking the players to take thirty three percent pay cut now so effectively. The forty percent loss. They're actually putting thirty three percent of that on the players and only holding seven percent of that themselves from the owners perspective so it's a nonstarter for the players they don't like the sliding scale of the way it's sorta spread out and so the Union now looking to put together proposal. That were here. He is going to be prorated salaries. That's it and we want more games from the owner's perspective. They're looking at it. Saying we lose about six hundred eighty thousand dollars per game paying prorated salaries without fans in the stands. `More Games is worse for the owners and it pushes the regular season deeper into the fall. Were the owners. Have a real concern that they might lose. The playoffs with the second wave of the virus in the playoffs is the biggest line item of revenue for owners right now. That playoff share of the network money. They can't put that at risk and so therein lies the problem in this situation. I let me make you the mediator. Here you're gonNA bring both sides together. What is the common ground that will allow us to be able to play baseball right? So the first thing the players the daughter stand as the owners perspective. There's two things one. Not Having fans in the stands is a major issue when it comes to revenues that needs to be addressed that a player getting a hundred percent of his days pay when the owners getting sixty percent of revenue. That's the problem. The players need to acknowledge it and a half to get off with a prorated salaries the other thing the players donor stand is that if they're gonNA get paid the owners are GonNa pay them up front and then make themselves by collecting the playoff money if the playoffs don't happen that it's catastrophic losses to be odors so the players need to protect the owners with the risk of losing playoffs from the owners perspective. Need understand for the players that prorated salaries already crippled them at half their pay and taking less than that with where they are in the back. They have short term Life Span Baseball player. That ultimately they're the ones going on field. Taking the physical risks that has dollar value that needs to be acknowledge in so alternately the two sides need to understand pro-rated salaries and one hundred percent will not get a deal. Done the players going to have to come off of that and the owners are not going to get a fifty fifty share of the losses with the players because they're taking physical risks and the owners can make it up in the future by just making different businesses next year and they could have expansion a couple of years from now where they can have. A billion dollar franchise be make themselves hold a significant way so the middle ground is off the prorated salaries but the owners are not GonNa get a twenty percent twenty percent split of the forty percent loss. It's gotta be players. Take a ten percent reduction in your prorated salary. But you're going to have to defer some of that money and it will be paid contingents upon whether we have the playoffs or not. If we get there you get the full share of a ten percent pay. Cut Off your salary. We make a deal we move on. I wonder about this looking back on the. Nfl deal that the owners and players struck and what I thought the Players Association did brilliantly was play to the guys that aren't making a lot of money. We're going to get you benefits here. Therefore they were going to get the votes. They need to have this past. You have the haves and the have nots and it feels like Mike trowel or Max Scherzer. Those guys are taking the biggest financial haircut. Where is it feels like the owners or the commissioners playing to the guys who are making minimum here like these guys have to come back Mike Trout or Max Scherzer have to come back? Is there going to be a war between the haves and the have nots inside the Players Association Right? So you're hundred percent right now. I don't believe that that was the owners purpose. Okay in their offer to split the union but it could have been a residual impact of it. Now it could backfire on them because sixty five percent of the players make between the minimum salary and one million dollars. Those players under the owners proposal will play half the season fifty percent of the season and get forty six percent of their pay. They're not damaged that significantly. A Guy like Mike. Trout is gonNA play half the season and get twenty two percent of his pay in so that feels like an injustice there but sixty five percent of the players are Prince Aka. I gotTa tell you. I think the players more tightly united in what the owners gave credit for now. I know you've got a lot of guys out there talking. And they may not be as united from their leadership to contain themselves. But I don't think there's any player that's GonNa look at my trounce say. Yeah you're thirty. Six million should turn into seven million this year. And you should take the bulk of the payback to the odors. All of this in. So I think there's GonNa be a That's why I think the the players respond to the proposal will be like Yep offer. We don't CARE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. Are Color proposal is not gonNA work off of your system. Your format your structure. We're GONNA come at you completely differently with our proposal. Yeah but I'm concerned about. We're talking to Steve Phillips her host of MLB Radio Network on Siriusxm. I'm concerned about when you start to look at this with guys wanting to come back. This is a star driven league. I mean we we do show up for Clayton Kershaw or you know. Aaron judge or Mike Trout. If they're not coming back the guys who make all this money are people going to say? Hey I'm okay with watching the phillies without Bryce Harper. Here do they run. The risk of that Steve. Yeah I think they do. I think the risk I think the risk exists and and yet you know the other for other reasons they still might make a deal is some players might not play Mike. Trout wife's expecting a baby in the notion of does he put himself at risk and his wife and baby at risk. Your calls wife's expecting a baby though that is paid guys out there So that does I think players will play in. If they don't I felt like I still think it's compelling product that you're going to get Clare's to show up and play fans are gonNA watch desperate. Were desperate to be able to watch some live sports here in states. Yeah I just wonder how this goes horribly wrong and baseball has to know its place in Sports Society sports landscape here and I think that that appeals tenuous. Steve does look. I think that this negotiation is not exclusive about to the twenty twenty season. We've got a collective bargaining agreement. That's due to expire at the end of twenty twenty one. That's just on the horizon. If there's a high level of distrust was I thought we had made up a lot of ground with Labor peace for long period of time but now we went right back to the hatfields and mccoys here. I mean it has gotten ugly right out of the get go in the players. Don't trust the owners numbers the owner say it's going to cost US forty percent. The players like okay that shows the books and the owners have never just show the books now. The owners may be telling the truth that it's forty percent of the revenues but it doesn't necessarily mean it's GonNa be a forty percent loss because some part of that forty percent might be coming out of some of the is that they were making is so might turn in a forty percent. Lost Revenue might be a twenty percent loss this year in so the players Max Scherzer came out and said we're not coming up for rated numbers unless you show us the books. If you show us the books we'll make it public and then we'll go along with and he thinks the reason the owners don't want to do it is that they're telling sorry. I gotTa tell you about the having been in the Office for thirteen years. I never saw the second set of books. If there's two sets of books the way we set it up with the mets was we did we. We set up the break. Even we projected revenues work backwards off of that has to what payroll could be minor league expenses scouting expenses itself the break even if we won and went to the playoffs made money if we lost that we were losing money with guys deadline trying to get back to break. Even there wasn't the secret set of books with the the super sauce somewhere that they're hiding money. I never saw it if there were though set of books you were the GM with the mets. With the Bobby Baena deal. And I'm wondering is I think it allows you guys to sign my Camden. Is that fair to say freed up some money but if you look back on that deal would you make that deal again with Bobby Bonilla? So remember we're releasing bobby and ownership said you know that that his group is his agency. had represented strawberry back in the day where they had done deferred compensation and you know this when he first signed with the mets the first time around he had deferred compensation with them to he still gets payments from that. I deal he made with the compensation and so you know. Here's a thought on that. Though was the mets looked at it at time is we had birdie made off as an investment vehicle so the mets looked at deferring bonuses compensation as a way for the team to make money that they're going to take his. I go six point. Eight million or whatever that number was released him and then invest that money with made off and put it out for ten years not pay anything and then spread it out over twenty five years of payments equal payments in the end so I was just give county department lentil crunched numbers in it made off return. This percentage or that percentage of that percents. How much money would you make money? And the notion was that we had a chance to make millions on his deal even with the payout for Baena. Period of time is quite honestly. It was turning. What was a loss of six point? Eight million single year releasing him into what would be a win in a financial windfall for the organization because of the made off investors. Did you invest in made off? You know what it's funny I. I actually one time was suggested to get some money saved up. We can maybe get you an account with Bernie and I asked the question. What makes better than everybody else like? Why is why is he better like? Why don't people just look at what he's doing and other people sort of copy his investments in do occur and keeps everything really close to the best obviously And in that thing like Fred Wilpon once Fred Wilpon strategy you. He loved you in like I was. I was in that group. Like he's like. I was one of his people that he really treated me with. Love and respect in Bernie was a friend of his. Let's that's why Fred had no idea because when they had me go and have the accounting department run the money. They said you know if he makes what if he loses some money so they did a whole number of iterations on. It ran that through the system without any expectation or with the return would be just knowing that he was better than others and they might get a return on it. So it was heartbreaking because for the WELP LINES KNOWING FRED. It was the relationship opposite. Lost a lot of money but the relationship it and that sort of commitment can actually had was really devastated was heartbreaking for me to to see all of that go through that from the outside looking in at that point after shocks of that relationship between the will bonds and Bernie madoff. Is that why the mets are up for sale? Or been up for sale. You know I think that by the way I never ended up investing with it at all so I avoided it but I think that was part of where they had been. But I don't know I think sometimes what we see with. Ownership is the succession plan right with the owner. Gets a little bit older? How do you know the state taxes on a franchise? We saw back in the day with the Ravi family down in Florida. And they're selling the team you know. How do you then pay those taxes on the ownership of it is so? I think they're part of baby the planning for succession plan this coming into it. But you know here's thing expansion may be coming and that may be a way for older. Solve their problem right. Put Billion dollar expansion fees for two new franchises to come in and it gets to the thirty to balance it out then. They sort of subsidize themselves like they did back in the nineties to pay off the collusion payment and settlement. Were they added the you know the Rockies Marlins back in the day so So I think that they hold out of it. If expansion is just around the corner where are we going to expand to well? I think Montreal seems like a potential place. Portland is a possibility of extended Tony. I didn't know that San Antonio what the Sabbath was populated city in the country of one point. Five billion in the in the city You know I think that Nashville is a place that people are talking about. Possibility Charlotte in the notion is united. And there's been this thought that Tampa in Oakland needs to be resolved. I right. You've got to stadium issues there. The Oakland A.'s can't pay the rent right now. By the way one point two billion dollars have not paid the rent for this season. But the thought all along spend. You've got to resolve those two before you expand but I think you could find twenty eight owners right now. Who would vote to expand before worrying about what to do at Tampa Bay and Oakland if it's gonNA generate the expansion fees. That could come with it to try to make everybody whole after the suffering financially for this pandemic. Great Stop Steve. I hope you're doing well and we appreciate you joining us. Thanks for SKI PHILLIPS POST OF MLB Network Radio on Sirius Xm. We'll take a break phone calls coming up right after this. Thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast be sure to catch. Us Live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox sports radio and you can find us on the iheartradio APP at FSR or stream. It live every day at Youtube dot com slash. The Dan Patrick. Show Jordan Magic Bird. Park some of the greatest players to ever grace. The court played all together as a team. Only once at the nineteen ninety two Olympic gold medal-winning Dream Team. 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I can see why polly does want to watch that was on. Netflix'S IT'S SUBARU. And then it says like the blood of Rome yet suburbia blood on Rome. There's a movie a few years ago called Soubra. It's A. It's their version of Ikea Mafia government. Politics Church Organized crime it's subtitled. It's all Italian but it's subtitled. The first scene was so hard core. The my wife goes nope not for me and she watches. She washed breaking bad and she had no problem with breaking. I want to see Sa- borough yeah now like Sa- borrowed that'd be fritzy's favorite show. I thought man all right they got a food court in Rome. It's perfect. Yeah but there's blood it's one of those things. It's not even violent the first scene. It's just so dark and cringe-worthy it involves a priest and and then I can not now. I'm not interested but it got great reviews. It's one of the more popular shows out there on Netflix. And it's hardcore no not interested. I was watching Real's last night as I always do. They have mobsters a episodes and they had it on Murder Inc. The the guys who started Murder Inc back in the thirties and they they decided that the Italians and the Jewish mafia like they all teamed up there like showed some of these other guys and they just talked about how many people they killed all over the United States but it'd be a murder INC and they all die in the end by the way. Yes Your Company. Murder Inc. you're GONNA be a big target authority. I mean they are s. The IRS is going to have a problem looking at you. These guys it's not like a flower shop murder Murder Inc. Llc. They're up to something bad. Imagine the IRS would probably question that yes mclovin so you get into this now. No I just watch reels. And then it reminds me of why I don't like Mafia movies so you watch it and you're like man. Thank God none of this real yup. Yeah thank This is what addiction. It is called reels. Yes todd where people really afraid of Abe. The minora Goldstein back today with the thirties. Jewish mobsters hard to envision that cut us there. There was nobody called. Abe Minora Goldstein question. Mark I can have like Frankie. The two fingers Maloney whenever have figured they might be Joe them but it says yes mclovin. I can't believe diving into this with this idiot here. But mirela he's like the third most famous mobster of all time and he was Jewish. Everybody knows that no idea who? Marlins Hyman Roth and godfather wanted to Meyer Lansky. There was a powerful Jewish. Yeah olive like all the ethnic groups in lower New York. Nice Jewish boys. They don't do these kind of things they were in Brownsville. I think is where they had a couple of hundred thousand Jewish families. And then that's where some of these guys crank started. Because of prohibition Yes yes mclovin as long as we're diving. I always found it interesting ned. Todd's dad was a cop named Fritz which is not a Jewish name. Tough time believing that someone from my family would do something to courageous and put their life on the line. Now you've got some different genes that I didn't get obviously a tough place to be a cop to New York City Brooklyn right there. There used to work at the old Yankee Stadium. And he was right there in the Bronx Brooklyn Bowling's go. My Dad was an ironworker. He worked on high rise buildings. And let's compare comparing how soft I am like. The idea of being over two floors working outside on a building scares the hell out of me. I mean I think we're all scared of heights to some point but that's it's funny. How different you could be from your dad. My Dad was a computer science sky. And you can't work your computer and I am not good at computers. They really make me nervous. My Dad is a history teacher and I was terrible at school. Go figure mclovin. My Dad was a wholesale grocer. Got Nothing Great Guy. Probably watching right now. Yeah we love your parents. They're great a couple of phone calls here Luca in Baltimore. Hey Luka Dan Thank you for taking my call jar longtime listener I just wanted to say that. Be Saburo series I watched it. I think it's absolutely worth the time As an aside I actually grew up in Italy so I watched all the different mafia movies under a different Lens. But I'll say that the super series might not have the same glamour and maybe romanticized aspect of it But I think again it really good look into what the mafia has evolved into And on top of that I have a suggestion for score a similar series Zero zero zero. I believe that's an Amazon Prime And that is off of A book again similar series about the modern spin of the Mafia. So I think we were talking about that earlier. Luca prior to the show because poly's like zero zero zero or Boura chose chose suburbia but zero zero zero S. Got Good Reviews Amazon prime. Yeah that's a combination of a Mexican drug cartel and I the setup of that. 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I wanted him to give you information. So you know what's going on in the baseball situation and if they can tell you stories you know the Bernie madoff story of the mets investing the Bobby Baena money. I thought was interesting. There but gusts have been so many guests. We've been so fortunate down through the years and one of my faves is Jerry West. He'll join US coming up in about twenty five minutes from now Dan in the Dan. Patrick Show some. Podcasts are light and fun and fluffy my podcast. Isn't I mean unless you'd think a podcast about a teenager picking up dead bodies for living is light and fluffy I'll tell you this much growing up in a funeral home is killing me? My name is grant and these. Are My funeral home stories? Listen to season three of my funeral home stories on the iheartradio APP on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. 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The Big Send with Scott Forman and Steve Phillips

Swing Left - How We Win

52:58 min | 1 year ago

The Big Send with Scott Forman and Steve Phillips

"Welcome to episode thirty five of how we win all over the country people are staying home staying safe and doing extraordinary things. We were giving you the tools that you need to make difference right now right from your living room. That's right and the best antidote to the anxiety that were all surely feeling is action. We need your help and we're going to get through this together. What's the most effective way to reach voters? While you're staying home writing letters specifically get out the vote letters vote forward. We're excited to announce the big send and to tell us more about it. We are joined by the founder of vote. Forward Scott Foreman. Then we'll hear from one of our partners in the big send political strategist and host of the democracy in color. Podcasts Steve Phillips Steve Is GonNa Talk to us about the new American majority give us his suggestion for VP. And of course talk about what gives him hope for November? I'm Steve Pearson and Mariah Craven and this is how we went so happy Thursday. Mariah were releasing our podcast. One day late because we have some big news to break and we didn't want to jump the gun on announcing the big send. How many people out? There aren't really sure what day it is to begin with. We're GONNA confuse them a little bit more. All the day's are starting to run together. This is dropping on Thursdays. So if you're one of our amazing subscribers who gets this automatically happy Thursday. Sorry if we confused you so we're going to talk about the Big San where we're teasing that people who like what is that. I gotta I gotTa find out. We're going to let you know in a couple of minutes. Yes and we're going to hear from Scott Foreman. The executive director and founder of vote forward. Who's really gonNa tell you all about? It won't be reading letters any letters from volunteer. Yeah no all the letters that people right. Trump will not read them because he doesn't read. I mean we. We knew that I assumed that. His daily intelligence briefings came in the form of comic strips. Or you know if it's not on Fox News he's not GONNA or CNN lately because he does watch CNN but you know he's not getting a whole lot of information that's been typed up putting a binder for him. This has been documented. They went into detail on it in the really great book. Very stateful genius which you should check out. If you haven't already they had to continually dumbed down his Daily briefings I you respond better to as you said comic strips and charts and graphs and doesn't like things and so we've known this for a while but recently reporting came out that said the corona virus had been featured prominently Not once not twice but upwards of twenty times starting earliest January In these briefings and And he wasn't interested in right a believe when he was asked about that he said he was gonna go back and check and see if it if it had made an appearance somewhere so right. I don't know I feel like I would remember that if I read a memo about like a global pandemic that was ravaging other parts of the world. It might stand out but who knows what's in these briefings. We don't have the security clearance if there's stuff about you know aliens in Russia. And what have you then? Maybe the pan-demic is less memorable. I don't know you would think ensuing global pandemic mentioned twenty times in twenty separate briefings that that would ring a bell somewhere. We do know that somewhere somehow. Hugh learned what Lysol was thought. He you know. Bust that out on us. Well we all know. By now about his disinfectant comments. And saying that maybe we could look into in injecting disinfectant to kill the corona virus. But he was recently asked about those comments and the people who have come in to the hospital after taking that advice and once again he said no no responsibility but fortunately we have We have a good role model. Who is actually leading the corona virus response in Vice President Mike Pence setting the right tone? Oh Yeah Oh desa good even worse plane yourself when I say good role model. I'm using sarcasm and actually the correct way the correct sense of of the word sarcasm. Right Mike Pence toward the Mayo Clinic which had corona virus patients in it Face Mask Free in defense. When asked about that. He said he didn't want to wear the face mask because he wanted to be able to look people in the eye. You can't make this shit up Yeah so I mean. Listen if he's been covering his eyes with the facemask said no wonder he's not wearing it works he wouldn't wear. That would be Hella dangerous. But I don't think we've seen. Mike pins or drum with a phase mass. Gyn since all of this they seem to have some weird aversion. Do it. I don't know if it's that. They want us to see their faces. You know called bed. We don't see Donald Trump's phase sore. My guess it feels like they would think that it was like unmanly to wear a face mask. Have this weird like suspicion that that's what this is about like. It doesn't look manly to walk around one hundred percent of as fat face Mas- and let me tell you what's more manly than protecting your community or patients hospital manly or womanly no need to feel shamed about people and no need to shame other people about it too which apparently is what trump has done when people in his briefings or in his private meetings have been wearing face masks or he's kind of made jokes about it and and you know belittling them Glad to know he's taking this very seriously. We have a serious void of leadership and And we've now hit the one million case mark we've had more Americans die from this disease in the last couple of months then did in Vietnam in total. It's easy to dunk on on really stupid people like this but it's So sad and you know my heart goes out to everyone who has really Affected and lost loved ones More and more. We are coming in contact with this disease. Firsthand and You know we're going to get through it together but we have a job to do to make sure that we have some real leadership not what we have in the White House. Not What we have in the Senate with Mitch. Mcconnell making comments that the state should declare bankruptcy and trying to stack these relief bills for corporations and his buddies you know polls tightening in these battleground Senate races and The GOP is worried and we have work to do and we have great ways to do it from home right now so. Let's keep our eye on the prize. Let's let's keep working. Thank you for shifting the tone 'cause I mean obviously like this is very seriously everybody's taking it super seriously. I haven't left my street and I don't know how long but man if I didn't try to laugh about some of this exact know where I'll be yep gazing off into the abyss steering off steely abyss. Waiting for sweet relief. What that dark there. We're back and we're back we're back with. We had a primary Tuesday night the Ohio primary. Of course Joe Biden won the primary but also we have states St Leger candidates. Now that we're going to be working on Ohio is such an important state it's always a perennial important presidential state but We have real opportunities for the state legislature there as Mariah always likes to say down. Ballot is where it's at and working on those races pay dividends up the ballot so Take a peek at. What's going on in Ohio? There's some exciting races. We can be working on their yeah. I can't wait to look into that that's going to be an area that's ripe for volunteer activity. Ripen Ready Heading into the fall. Yeah well what's your reason for hope this week Mariah? Okay so my reason for hope this week is the Movement for black. Lives has created a comprehensive list of Kobe. Nineteen related policy demands that are going to ensure that the black community is included in policies and legislation. That's coming out to protect people and help them in the economic recovery that we're going to need after The pandemic kind of slows down a little bit so this includes access to healthcare and housing prioritizing people over corporations protecting the vote policies to protect vulnerable who are currently incarcerated so these are issues that are perennial policy issues that are the result of longtime disparities but they are going to become even more pronounced with this health pandemic and the economic hit that. We're all going to take because of it and I just want to remind people that these are things that disproportionately affect the black community but they are things that these policy demands are going to be good for the entire country so I want to encourage everybody to visit 'em for B. L. Dot Org so they can take a look at the details. Sign the petition if they Agree with these demands which to me seem like no brainers and thank you to the Movement for black lives putting together a really great website very quickly. That's awesome. We'll we'll have the link up on our show page and As you said you know no know surprise. Lack and Brown people are disproportionately affected by all of these things. But by Cova to you know Yeah and kind of like a the terrible perfect storm of things coming together. It's Very dangerous yeah. It reminds me last week when we talked to Pantsuit politics hosts. I think it was Sarah that made the analogy with their kids. That okay. We built this tower out of blocks the blocks of all come down. We don't have to build that tower back the same way you know. There's there's actually an opportunity here to address these longtime issues and and see if we can do some real good and have a an even more equitable return once we get back to whatever. Our new normal is so exactly well said. What's your reason for hope this week? Well my reason for hope is very swing left brand. Because I'm really excited about the big send a not gonNA get too deep into it because we've got Scott Form an executive director and founder of vote forward to talk about it but we have people all over the country who are who are engaged. Who are volunteering. I always like to swing extraordinary things. Maybe extraordinary things realizing that action is the best antidote to anxiety I always like to say with a say this with the caveat that if you're listening to this podcast and when you hear the the thought about volunteering right now it just makes you feel like Ugh. I don't have time I'm juggling home. Schooling my kids and I there's so much uncertainty that's totally fine. You know everyone is dealing with this in their own way. We also recognize that many of us really have a lot more privileged than other people do in the ability to do stuff that other people don't so you know we all do what we can when we can having said that. We've got the big send launching right. Now it's an epic undertaking by a number of organizations led by vote forward in partnership with swing left to right ten million letters to voters for the November election. Holy Moly it's exciting. That is exciting. And it's totally doable. Scott's GonNa talk a minute about how it's doable and when you hear the number of letters that people have already sent. You're just say Oh. We can't do that no problem. I'll just get to writing you. Go onto the vote forward website and you download these templates all the instructions. Are there for for what you do. It basically amounts to printing out these letters and Filling in a little area that asks why you vote. Y you're a voter so you can write a personal message there and then writing the address Handwritten on the outside of the envelope to so people get a hand written addressed envelope in the mail and these letters have been really really effective there around way to to mobilize voters yet. And you're GONNA get a chance to join US and Sarah and Beth from pants you politics on. May Twenty four th. We're going to have a big letter writing party. That's going to be part of the big send. Yes Save the day. We'll have the we have the link to the event on our page may twenty fourth. Also my birthday. It's not forget that those Ra's Ari started. They're not as important so in just a few minutes. We're going to hear from St Phillips who has an excellent podcast democracy in color and you probably read his writing in newspapers and magazines all over the country. And if you get confused by all the Steve's and Scott's coming up in the interview segments don't worry they sound very different and the conversations are great so in a few minutes. We'll hear from Steve but first up is the interview. Scott Scott Foreman. Thanks so much for joining us. It's good to be here. Thanks for having me first of all. You founded vote forward. What gave you the idea. And when did you start it up? Tell us a little bit about the vote for origin story. Yes sure happy to so. We're about three years old. I started the project in twenty seventeen and a lot of people. I was really looking for something that I could do. Personally to. An impact on Our political environment. I don't come from the political world. My background is in a software mostly and so you know I had some experience with various tech startups on the most important one for this story. is a company called. Ode Power Other familiar with power. I am not I. Why don't you explain what it is to? Steve Sure Yeah Committee with Jack Okay. Shame expert Mariah way smarter. Everyone knows that please continue. Yeah so power was still is the company that does really big behavioral science based direct mail campaigns to encourage people to reduce their home energy consumption So in some ways that was very useful professional experience to have for this purpose Because what we did. There was harnessed some of these. Social Nudges nudge type messages. To get people to use less energy and we were able to show through some really big experiments that it works it works really well and consistently and so that was a for profit and it was a really great experience. But I've been nursing for a long time. The idea that we might be able to use similar kinds of tactics to influence civic activities like voting and so it's kind of the combination that the lessons learned there and a lot of personal anxiety about the state of our politics that inspired. You know this this project and everything that we've done since so you're you came to vote forward through a real strategy and evidence based processes sounds like. I thought maybe you were GONNA say like you're like Meghan markle like a professional hand writer and then you decide into her but it sounds like for a much more scientific birth Matt I think. That's I think that's safe to say so. One of the lessons learned from a power was that When you can do a randomized control trial to see whether your idea works you absolutely should. And so. It was kind of the combination of that scientific inclination and Uh some of the specific tactics but including the one you're referring to which is the whole thing is oriented around handwritten letters so the specific tactics that we experimented with in two seventeen in two thousand. Eighteen was to have a fellow citizen. In the first instance. It was just me writing a thousand letters at my kitchen table to people and see if it caused them to vote and we were able to show that it in fact does of my hand muscles very much worse for the wear. Burn since then. We've gotten a lot of help from volunteers who Who participate as well so. Yeah that's kind of the background. That's cool so we know the first thousand were done by you. How many have been done since then by volunteers? I'd have to check but I think it's at least two million because in the end you can believe that In the end we on the basis of those experiments that we did in seventeen eighteen. I kinda decided to make it my full time job in two thousand eighteen and then we were able to recruit this really enormous army of on tears in the lead up to the midterms So I think we sent just north of one point two million in two thousand eighteen. And then we've done another at least million in two thousand nineteen Might even be one point five closer to two on. We'll talk more about our plans for for this year but we're no well into the millions and which is still very hard for me to believe But it's been in a very exciting urging to see that happen. It's amazing and with those millions of letters. You have a much larger sample size for which you can judge the efficacy of it. Are they looking now? Like where the results of all those letters power. They moving the needle force. Yeah that's a great question. So there's a variety of different experiments that we've done not everything that we do is a randomized trial but in the Alabama experiment in that first one that we did. We saw an increase of about three point. Four percentage points between the treatment group and the Control Group of which is a huge startling number. Kind of an an impossible thing to replicate. I I think that there was some lock there but in the subsequent trials that we've done including one in Ohio twenty eighteen in another experiment in two thousand nineteen special election in Pennsylvania. We've seen one point. Four percentage points Two Point Zero. One percentage points in that Pennsylvania trial so we pretty consistently seen in the trials that we've done results ranging from one to three and then in that one case a little bit north of three percentage points which is really fantastic for this world. I mean If you're not familiar it might not sound like much but that compares very favorably to a lot of the other tactics that people might be familiar with like making phone calls and send messages and for people listening who might hear. A percentage like two percent. And that's not a lot you know. That's what we call field margins. That's actually incredibly significant especially bearing in that the races primarily that we're working with Are Really Tight races? Where those two percent? One percent margin is the difference between winning and losing. So that's work that volunteers can do to literally win an election absolutely and so for the volunteers who who participate in this. If people haven't done it before they can go online. Get approved very quickly and easily to become a senator and get stack of letters to print off and they're partially written and then there's room for people to handwrite a personalized message. Can you talk about why? It's both because I tried to get away with typing up with not advisable so why why the mix of print in handwriting. And what are some recommendations that you have for people to effectively personalized their letters? Yeah so I actually did try handwriting. The entire thing the first time around and the main reason I didn't stick with it is because it was illegible of a lot of people and I'm sure I'm not alone in this have kind of like doctor handwriting as they say so so the original idea was that. I wanted to make sure that there were at least part. Sid that read Ed. So it's mostly bad but there is another advantage. Which is that by having both it makes much faster to pretty ass versus riding the whole thing. Obviously and then I guess the last reason is that we do use the typed part the pre written part of the letter to set the tone of the thing so part of the message that we are making sure that everybody sends is a clear explanation of what the letter is for. Why it's being sent on so that stuff is Consistent in the types of the messaging and then there's also very importantly a line in the in the template to emphasize that the sender isn't asking the recipient to vote for anybody in particular. What we're doing is really just about mobilization not vote for X. candidate or don't vote for why candidate but vote at all and with this Ferry Civic Virtue. Oreo wanted lands And we do that both because we think it's probably more effective but also because We we we try not to make too many assumptions about about the recipient. So the message. That really appeals to a shared identity as Americans. We WanNa make sure that always comes through and so that's the other reason for having both now. Why have the handwriting at all? Why why were you discouraged from from doing your Your time saving trick pariah The reason is bit part of the reason. We think this thing works is that there's an investment of time and a little bit of money on the part of the center to produce thing so it's kind of like there's some skin in the game like if you get a letter in the mail that somebody took the time to handwrite. You're going to think that will be evident that somebody cared enough to do that. And so that's why both are important personal messages are are what really cuts through the political noise two and connects us so exactly and so you asked also about The messages themselves. We don't give a lot of prescriptive guidance about that The message that people are asked to complete is an answer to why they the sender vote in every election. They're eligible to vote in the only real guns we give is to make it as personal as possible so I've seen a lot of examples and some people are fairly brief. And that's fine. You don't have to say all that much to make it resonate but you know some of the more vivid examples that I've seen people talk about. How hard won the right to vote at all is Sometimes people talk about memories of going to the polls with their parents as kids or taking their own kids to the polls So that kind of stuff. We definitely encourage the more personal. It feels. I think the better you talked about The people getting these letters. Who are they who are getting these letters? And where do you get the addresses from? Yeah that's a good question of people often ask about that. So that's why I asked always asked me that so there's a somewhat complicated answer to the WHO am. I do want to emphasize that of vote. Forward is a five hundred one C four nonprofit organization which means that most of our work is for. What's known as a core social purpose of increasing participation in our democracy by traditionally underrepresented parts of the electorate so that's typically a members of racial minorities young people etc and so for the bulk of the campaigns that you'll see on our website. Those are the goals and those are the people that were writing to in various states throughout the country. Then on top of that because five. Oh One C. Four is like ours also are able to do some amount of explicitly political work. You'll also see campaigns on the website that are focused on people who we believe are very likely to vote for Democrats when they do vote so those are the two different categories of campaigns that we run. There's one thing that they have in common which is almost always writing to people who we think are unlikely. Otherwise relatively unlikely to vote and that is measured by what's known as a vote propensity Which is a model of likelihood to vote So it's really just a percentage of how what are the odds that we think that any given person is gonNA show up and it's mostly based on people's voting histories. Now the other part of your question. How do we have access to that information? Well it's basically public in most states. Who is on the voter rolls and their history of of voting and so usually it comes from a secretary of state or other election authority. We don't typically get the data directly from the States. Instead we use one of a few different commercial vendors that aggregate that data and normalize it to it easier to deal with but the the heart of the answer is that the voter rolls public. And so that's how we're able to to do these programs at all. Also our able to see how they worked. Great one mystery solved as people who who want to participate. They're going to have an opportunity coming up with the big send. Can you tell us about that? Yes you're a so. We needed a few minutes ago to Our Project for twenty twenty. The big picture goal for this year is to increase the number of letters that were sending by essentially another a factor of ten. So we've set this really ambitious goal of stockpiling and then sending ten million voter turnout letters in October of this year. And because it's a you know a an exciting new project To TO BE CONCRETE ABOUT THAT. And it's such a an ambitious goal. We also decided to give it a name and build try to build some momentum around it so we're calling the project the big send and there is a a new landing place on the web which is at the big send dot org and it's a it's also in addition to being a rallying point around this big project of At big ambition goal it's also a coalition so we've done outreach to various partner organizations to form alliances with other groups. That are going to help us. Meet that goal And so we're excited to work with them including democracy in color who were about to speak with. Steve Phillips about his organization to. Oh Nice Yeah Hon. And then of course swing left is is one of the participants along with indivisible and people for the American Way and Daily costs of was an ally of ours from the from the beginning in two thousand eighteen and an invaluable one so they're participating Stand up America The women's March Foundation and possibly a few more what a great group of of allied organizations. And what an ambitious goal this. This might be what we need to save the. Us Postal Service. I love it. So that's a great point We're excited about that too. It's convenient. Obviously we had no idea that there would be a need to drive a lot of support to the USPS but that is a a a convenient fact at the moment that the the this project gives people another reason as if they needed more to support at very important institution in our democracy. Yeah well I mean there's there's that Really dire need to support the postal service And also just where we are ad during the corona virus pandemic. This is something. Obviously you've been working on as you just explained for a number of years. Swing left has been working with you for a while as a way to get our volunteers from all over the country to reach the super states but now more than ever. It's giving volunteers of important ineffective thing to do from their living rooms and to think about ten million letters and started with one guy sitting at home writing a thousand letters to voters this idea that you had main. If there's ever a story that that talks about how what kind of impact? One person can make yours. Is that story? It's really powerful. Oh thanks it's It's nice to hear that It's still I pinched myself still thinking that it's shocking to me that that Through the power of the the mail and thanks to the leverage that you get from building software and thanks to all support from some really incredible people friends and allies that we've been able to build this thing and make it make it work but yeah I think that's That's it's it's been fun. It's been fun to work on the project and NCA grow this way she'll exciting so The website for people to go to is the big Sin Dot Org yes and specifically for for swing left's users it would be the big send dot org slash swing left excellent so everyone should go there and sign up and start writing letters. I think that's the idea Do I have that right? That is correct. That is what we are hoping that people do exactly. Okay got it. We'll do that excellent. We'll be reminding people over the next few months to good good good. Well thank you so much. This was awesome. Great to hear about how everything behind the scenes works. Yeah Thank you both Slama Fund to talk and we'll keep you posted on how it goes as we as we start to to rack up the the the boxes Had get ready for the fall. We'RE GOING TO GET THEIR. Ten million is ambitious but absolutely doable starting with all of our listeners. We're GONNA help you get there. I think so too. Thanks a lot. Steve Phillips is a national political leaders civil rights lawyer and senior fellow at the Center for American progress. He hosts the PODCASTS. Democracy and color with Steve Phillips founded the political organization democracy in color and is the author of the bestselling book. Brown is the new white. Thanks so much for joining us. Steve How are you? How is social distancing going for? You haven't been glad to be here. It's going fine. It's funny people. Were not funny at all but I guess people are talking about your personality. Impacting how you deal with it and that For introverts this is not really a bad situation at all Somebody puts on facebook. All you experts are crowding my me. Time with all these zoom meetings. Yeah we were interviewing Daddy Waller. Who is the creator of the show Mrs America about the era and ask you the same question? And she's like you know I'm kind of thriving I really hate going out in any way but Obviously tongue in cheek. Yeah I know. It's hard for some people to think about politics and elections right now. But the truth is the election is a little over six months away And the pandemic and the response to it have shown us that we really need to be paying attention so see. What are you focused on right now? Well one thing is to make sure we have an election right. I mean it's the the level of I was talking to somebody that how much are democracy is like hanging by. A thread is really very significant. It's it's you know starting with about starting with but Seymour recently right with the whole impeachment piece all the evidence laid out and then all these you know Senate Enablers being like yeah. Well it doesn't matter. It's fine to do that. And you take that and then the level to which they are exploiting this crisis to really try to drive down. Democracy is quite alarm. Mary saw most Intently in Wisconsin but even the comments afterwards right. You know the United States being like no. I don't like vote by mail fraud Even though he votes by mail and so the that I think the things to be most concerned about is. How much are we going to be able to even have? Because if there's any you know crack in the Our resistance against this. They're totally try to exploit that. So that's one of the biggest things and so that's that piece and then I think it's linked to this issue around. Are we going to be able to have the kind of turnout? That's going to be necessary to get this guy out of office and so they think things are somewhat related but fundamentally we've gotTa make sure people are inspired motivated and actually turning out in large numbers. Yeah well I mean speaking of turnout. You've carved out for yourself. Such a unique and important space in voter mobilization fundraising and especially lifting up the voices of the new American majority. How did you get started in this type of organizing work and when did you hone in and focus on race and progressive politics? Yeah it's Essentially questions I'm actually working on a piece for the nation Magazine right now. Looking at lessons that I learned that can be useful to people who were involved in Bernie Sanders and live with warrants campaigns. Right so my. My political baptism was the Jesse Jackson's presidential campaigns of the Rainbow Coalition efforts of eighty four eighty eight and Jesse talked-about. How old minorities come together? They comprise a new majority in. So actually I dedicated. People dedicated by book to was Reverend Jackson. And in that dedication I said that Who showed the world the power and possibility of a movement electro candidacy tied to the Movement for Social Justice in the country? I was paying attention. And so what he show going from. Three and a half million votes eighty four to seven million votes in eighty eight four hundred delegates in eighty four to twelve hundred delegates in eighty eight highest second-place. Finisher ever to that time. I saw the electoral power of bringing the civil rights the Movement for social change into that space. And if I've been saying I've been trying to build a small are rainbow coalition ever since you have done amazing work and we're GONNA. We're GONNA talk a little bit about that but I wanted to talk about. One of you teased your nation piece which we should look out for. I WANNA recommend if people that they read your recent New York Times op. Ed where you came out strong favor for one particular running-mate Bird Joe Biden Tell us how you came to your suggestion and so y yeah well. It's more than suggestion. My wife was asked me about it the other day. What I really just start doing looking at the data shows about the electoral strength of the various people who are being considered. And so there's a little bit of polling data which is somewhat predictive about what constituencies relate. But I looked at was the past electoral performance and so we have exit. Poll data from how the candidates did with various with electric overall and then the various subsectors. And so you. And there's several of the people who are considered you have the state of four so it stays Abrahams come Harris Catherine. Cortez Masto Whitmer as with Warren Klobuchar and so looking at all of that comparing all that what really stands out in the areas where Biden is weakest which is young people and African American enthusiasms distinctive getting support but not for large numbers of American voters and Latinos. An all of those measures looking at how the races were won. And what the data shows Stacey? Abrams actually comes out ahead of all the other competitors all of those areas Not least of which was really surprised to find in Georgia was particularly surprised to find Alabama had lost young people in Georgia by three percentage points when he ran in two thousand eight Abrahams one young people by twenty five points when she ran in two thousand eighteen so she outperformed Obama with young people. And then you match that. How weak Biden is with young people? That's what really made the case compelling to me looking at the numbers that Abrahams is Pr- track record is significantly superior to all of the other people being considered. It's interesting I was. I listened to your podcast. Where you go into depth on on the vice presidential hopefuls or or you know possibilities and I was wondering in Kamala Harris case if she hadn't been running against Loretta Sanchez if she perhaps would have done. Better With the Latino vote in California. Yeah in some ways that. That's that's a good deep dive. You did do the question. Did you know I was looking at it? Did that does come up. And so it is a l- on one hand. It's a different It's it's a more skewed a certain extent because it was too Democrats against each other to women of Color Democrats running against each other and so I think that that is fair in terms of the Latino piece that has to be running against the white republican she probably would have had stronger numbers What is notable is that Sh she was her numbers among African Americans. While strong are not safety Abram strong right so she got seventy nine percent African Americans Abrahams Ninety three percent. So that's what I did feel like. That comparison held up. Also Stacey. Abrams organizers her. Entire crew are just amazing. The They they have been an example to organizers all over the country so that's an exciting component to add to the Biden campaign as well. That would be nice if you're lifts the Biden's ears. Let's talk about the new American. Majority who are they? And how are they transforming our political landscape right now right so this was the this? Was the most difficult part of my book to write in a second. Chapter is who is an American majority and then it was it. Is it psych one point? We were like well. How granular do you get right? Because there are like fifteen different Asian nationalities like twelve or thirteen different Latino nationalities. Remember at one point. My editor says the shepherds both too long and too short sound quite illuminating. It's true I can cut a lot out because it's really could be a whole book. So essence that way about most podcast interviews by the way is true so really what the motivating factor to write my book sense of alarm about how people had not properly understood. The Obama Victory An Obama victory since two thousand eight two thousand twelve and so Lodges Logical but self evident to me right having come out of the Rainbow Coalition. Seen that efforts seeing that the Obama was an extension of that effort of mobilization of orders of color and progressive whites but there was too little appreciation of that in the certain democratic and progressive spaces so I really wanted to try to break down and quantify and clarify what was the essence of what Obama's coalition was. So that's what I mean by new American majority of particularly looking at The two thousand twelve numbers is that Obama got five million fewer white votes in two thousand twelve in two thousand eight. I think a lot of people got caught up or you know inspired by the hope and change making history but then I was a lot of people dropped off by two thousand twelve thousand twelve. That's where I feel like well. These are the folks who are more core progressive whites who actually stuck with him so at its at its broadest strokes. It's roughly eighty percent of people of color and thirty seven thirty nine percent of whites together. That's majority of the people in the country. It's a majority of the eligible voters and that was the about just Adama majority by the way that's also the majority that gave three million more votes Clinton than trump which is something we forget often. Actually I don't forget it. It makes me sad everyday people with carry ourselves with the sense that trump has majority support. And I think that that's why I keep reminding folks that this is not a majority president that But he he acts like he has all the support but in point of fact he doesn't very important remember in fact Mitt Romney actually got more votes than Donald. Trump did right. Yeah and particularly place like Wisconsin. Right that Romney got more votes than trump did and so that's a critical component to understanding what happened to twenty sixteen is that it was not that all these people defected voted for trump. Is that the democratic vote. Dropped right I mentioned your your latest episode of the podcast where you dissect some VP hopefuls. If people haven't listened to your podcast yet. Do you have a favorite episode that they should start with l? That's an interesting question. Well I mean one of the first episode of the First Reps. I wasn't interview Stacey Abrams since I do people of the check that out We had a very good conversation. I think pertinent to these times Two episodes ago with the journalist Ron Brownstein where an in terms of the American majority peace. I think we'll find my editor and I was reading. The book was said. You should put your reference other people who validate your mouth. Show your point of view as like there really. Aren't that many people just Ron Brownstein. Right but I think more than most people. He's framed up. What's happening in this country as a battle between two coalitions coalition of restoration and coalition of transformation a restoration as the trump crowd? Make you know take America back. The transformation was the Obama coalition. And then when you look at things through that prism of what's happening in this country make sense including we talked about a fair amount about that is the corona virus responses is terms of how these different coalitions and the members's coalitions are responding to this moment so that episode actually thought was very engaging and an on point. See You have a to listen lists for us but you also have a to do for us. A democracy in color is one of swing left's partners in the big send. What impact are you hoping to have with this letter writing campaign and should volunteers pigeon? Yeah so we're excited to partner was left around it so a lot of people WANNA know. There's so much wrong. As many bad things happening this was even before you know. The whole pandemic is that it can be overwhelming in you know. Where do I focus my efforts? What can I do? What can I do to make a difference And so we think that we're we`re. We talked a lot of people we have analysis of. What's happening in different places and so we try to make recommendations regularly to our listeners are followers around how to help what they can do to channel their energy their target their limited energy and effort into an area which will make a difference and so the letter writing campaign. is unimportant. Something people can do with us a manageable route having to be you know overwhelmed terms of their time and energy and the data shows that personal connections are. What are most helpful in terms of voter turnout in so getting a personal letter from somebody is not your typical thirty second television ad etc. It's the type of intervention which I think you know intuitively as well as empirically shown to make a difference and so be able to have a group like swing left provide the infrastructure and the air traffic control around able to route the different letters in the right places is a really very valuable service and so that's why we were encouraging people to participate in that the channel their energies in ways. That would make a difference. That's awesome we really appreciate it. And he started out Our conversation talking about the very real concerns that we have for our democracy and elections in general Let's end up here by sharing. What gives you the most hope for our future. Well it's what we've talked a little bit in. Its toll this whole underlying concept around majority and who has who actually is the majority and the interesting piece that you know Ron. Brownstein affirmed in our conversation with him. Is that the new. American majority the coalition of transformation is bigger. It's the majority of people within this country and that this president does not now and has not ever had majority support. And if you look untie if he continues to act as if he does and but when you actually qualify surprised to find this is that not only did we take back. The congress renters have always different elections that have taken place since two thousand sixteen is. We flipped eight governorships that were Republican held since he took t took office. So all of the empirical data shows that the electoral trends are in our favor. And if we can actually mobilise have high turn out stay unified which was a big problem in two thousand sixteen people splintering third and fourth party. If we can do all of that we've definitely should remove this man from the White House and get this country back on course. Well when you say it late sounds pretty easy. No problem everyone needs to show up and vote and then we win. Don. That's the plan. Yeah all right. Well Steve Phillips thank you again for joining US everyone. Please CHECK OUT DEMOCRACY IN COLOR. And thanks for your continued work in partnership with swing left. We enjoy having me on. Thank you so much for joining us today. And thank you for stepping up and taking action. This is how we win. We want to hear from you. Let us know how you're doing during the corona virus? Pandemic tweet to US at Newsboy Steve. And at Mariah underscored craven or email us at podcast at swing left dot org. Thanks so much to our friends at dim cast who have a great website that promotes progressive articles podcast And if you haven't yet please subscribe to our podcast and rate and review us on apple or wherever else you get your pods. 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Bubba Wallace and Steve Facebook Interview

Best of The Steve Harvey Morning Show

07:01 min | 10 months ago

Bubba Wallace and Steve Facebook Interview

"Well yesterday was the NASCAR quaker state four hundred at Kentucky, but recently Steve You had a chance to interview NASCAR. African, American driver Bubba Wallace. ooh, that is trending on facebook. You had a great interview with Bubba Wallace on your show Stephen Watch facebook show you talked about the new incident you talked about the president's accusations of all of it being a hoax, all of that and more take a listen. I didn't even see a picture of the news until Tuesday so I was told her about it was brought to my attention from NASCAR. President Steve Phillips became and my motor home. I thought I did something wrong. I'm like what interview have I gone off and talk about somebody's Mama whatever it was you know. And he told me Hey, we've we had found a potential crime committed, and there was a new spout the my garage, and I was kind of taken back, and it know really know what to think, and so we had a conversation lasted the solid three to five minutes, and it was a very strong when he had tears in his eyes I had tears. Is he said we are going to? To get to the bottom of this and find this person that did it flew clarity Yudin discover anything it was brought to your attention by NASCAR fishes. Absolutely my my crew member, it was one who had seen it, and then he alerted NASCAR officials wife seem reasonable, asked him to help me understand because I've heard so many versions of it, but it actuality but Wallace never saw the news. To his ball to him by the president of NASCAR, he started to hold investigation. Get to behind it, wasn't it? Bubbles Wallace didn't know nothing about it. And, so that right there for people talk about He created this hoax and he did all this man brother. He just in his trailer. How dare the President? got. elva when he tries to take a calls was Dan. You notice. It primarily has something to do with some African American or another minority. Against to blurbs is against the Mexicans is against that lady that he called how Wafa? It's it's it's. It's a gift bubble while Pocahontas is against. Wallace is Colin. Cabinet Colin at this dude man. You know I used to think that he was a racist. That didn't know it. Because I just thought of the climate. He grew up in s the language they use that you can be a racist and not know it because you come from that era where it's the norm institution a lot, right, but absent. I've watched this over the years. No Man knows it, he he knows it, and he uses it to stir up his base because he knows that's how they are. He plays on all those stereotypical fears of a certain group. That's in this country and what's scary to me is that is a huge number of those people? That have votes and that would be at the polls in November voted form and talk man like their little white girl that was on that thing so I think one of Y'all out tomorrow. y'All. That's why y'all should be grateful. We Free Jal and all that I was more. What's trending on social? She tripped. Lucky we three, we should have never freed we. Owe! To sign up I. Tell you what. Try to strike it back up do that. Works out fights. Issue Bring. It, back one time. Yup Karen. On I mean. Well at least you know. You got to the bottom of it, Steve with Bubba Wallace, so thank you for that interview. Yeah, it really was all right time now to get some headlines the latest on tropical storm Fay and more of today's headlines. Gentlemen Miss and trip. Okay, thank you very much. Everybody this and with the news and the big news really is corona virus. The number of the new corona virus infections continues to climb all over the US, especially in the south with Florida, setting a new record over the weekend for the largest one day increase in cases in any state since the beginning of the pandemic. Here the there rather Florida health officials. Officials are reporting more than fifteen thousand new cases of corona and a single day, which topped the previous record for new cases in a day set last week by California however, Republican, Governor Rhonda. Santa's is sounding a lot like the president saying that it's all basically relative, because more testing's going on. We're in a situation where we've got a lot of test sites hospitals are all testing private companies that are testing. CBS testing, so he says that's the problem to Santa. Says he'd like to see. The schools reopen next month. However, healthcare community of people note that the daily death toll is also rising as well so they're cautious about that. By the way president trump were a mask for the first time over the weekend when he made an appearance at Walter Reed. Army. Hospital when asked about he said quote. I, love mask in the appropriate locations. Unquote Congressional Democrats continue criticizing President Trump his decision for commuting the prison sense of his longtime friend and Confidante Roger Stone. Stone was sentenced to more than three years in prison for lying to Congress witness tampering and obstruction of justice in connection with the Russian election, meddling probe house intelligence committee. Chairman Adam Schiff tells ABC's this week. That trump's pardon should look at the president through this commutations, basically saying if you live from me if you cover up for me. If you have my back, then I will make sure that you get a get out of. Of Jail Free. Card other Americans different standard stone was supposed to report to prison tomorrow by the way a Florida lawmaker. Get this who voted against an order mandating the use of masks that guys tested positive for the coronavirus Paul Waldron's Commissioner for Saint Johns, county, that's just south of Jacksonville and he's in hospital. He's hospitalized in critical condition. Saint Johns county has more than seventeen hundred firm cases of covert nineteen ten deaths as of last. Friday Florida and now has the fourth highest number of confirmed virus cases in the US averaging about nine thousand new cases every day for the last week. By the Winkle Cohen's back in the clink, he had been allowed to serve his prison sentence at home because of fears of his contracting cove in nineteen, he reportedly though broke deal not to publish. Tell all book about the president you know. He was his personal lawyer and finally. Believe it or not a town in Washington. 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Ep. #122 - Bill Veach, Stan Bunsick and Steve Phillips

Beach Talk Radio

1:16:01 hr | 10 months ago

Ep. #122 - Bill Veach, Stan Bunsick and Steve Phillips

"This is talk radio. All ships at sea. This is your captain. Gene Gene Gene the following. Testing, shits or so sonar alarm cable are and atomic attack a longer. Live from peach. Time out in the heart of Times Square, you're listening to beach talk radio with Kim and et Ryan Good Morning. Everybody welcome to episode number one hundred and twenty-two today Saturday July eighteenth twenty. Twenty and we're broadcasting live from peach timeout on Fort. Myers Beach in the heart of Times Square. And of course you're watching US on facebook. You can also watch us on Youtube and. And every Saturday morning. We're broadcasting live here. All of our shows archived up to beach. Talk Radio DOT COM and you can listen to them in audio format there you can look at all the shows back including last. Nice new show which we'll talk about later and you're gonNA WANNA, stay for the entire show today. We have lots to talk about. Are you going to microphone at all? We have lots to talk about a lot of things going on of course a quick. Thank you to all of our sponsors. Magherita see siege certified public accountants, island oils, Fort Myers tiki tours and our longest sponsor and supporter Pete's timeout. Thank you all and we'll have more information on them. As the show goes on and a quick update, unless miss something on the news this morning. The person that committed the murder at the guy has not been caught so unless something happened on the news that I missed this morning. That's still going on and I don't think they identify the person that was killed yet. Although down on the beach I have A. A feeling that everybody kind of knows who who it was, and who the person was related to, and the other thing that I think is most important is that it's important for the residents of the beach to know that their lives are not endanger I. Don't think there's a killer on the loose on Fort Myers beach. It was not somebody that was jogging on the beach. That just happened to decide. They're going to Papa captain somebody. It was something that was contained in that area, so people are safe on the beach, so hello dear welcome the show I. Mean That's why I wait so long to grab of microphone. Because you're, there's called me. As very long, really a monologue. But Anyway, so let's get right to it. Our first guest for this morning is town council member. Bill Beach and we WanNa make sure you can hear them. Loud and clear bill is. Rod Campaigning. You are show from his warning bill. How are you? Good. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you loud and clear. We appreciate you coming on the first question bill is. How does it feel to be a town council member? Now that you've been in the seat for a few months? What's interesting. Involved people people return. My phone calls a lot more than the would otherwise. And you're you know you? You have to be involved with stuff that? Maybe you didn't have to be maybe like me. It's a little bit like being you know. Running beast radio. All right so bill. What the first thing! Obviously we want to talk about is what happened here on the beach this week. What? What was your first thought? When you heard that somebody somebody got killed on the beach at the Lani Kai. Bradley more like here. We go again. You know I mean I understand. I really feel for the people. The victims and the people live in that area. There feel insecure. I, you know. I think there's there's things in town. Council can do, but there's not much because you know. The liquor licenses regulated by the states. Law Enforcement is done by the county. So. We're limited in what we can do, but I think that. Will will look at the options. We have tried to get as much cooperation as we can. From the entities that are We don't have control over and she. We make the area safer. What can you share with us? What some of the options might be that you have control over? Most of them are working with things like the sheriff. In Atlanta Guy and businesses in the area. Some things I'm not sure. I haven't really vetted them through our attorney. I'm not sure about jurisdictional things. You know like things like. Can we put up security cameras? One of spring breaks ago. One of those share scissor trucks up. In an area that was always packed with with kids and you could draw a line. There wasn't a soul within like probably a hundred feet of that camera. So you know if if if those things are something, we can do and it. It makes sense if the sheriff things that make sense. You know those are the potential things. We knew going forward to try to make the area safer. So bill it's my understanding that the conduct. The heiress family had asked for meetings with the council members this week, and some of them went met with them. Did you meet with them this week? No message back saying they can call me whenever they want. I. I'm I'm pretty strictly social distancing. Part of being married to a nurse. And having a lot of friends that are vulnerable so I'm not really going to. Sit Down or townhall and sit down with somebody in an enclosed room. If we can talk on the phone I'm more than willing to do that. In regardless of the situation. and. So. Have they called you back? I am not call. I'm not sure. They went through the town clerk and Buy Anything come through so so bill. Don't you think it's curious that the kind of the family? All of a sudden after one lawsuit in a second lawsuit, all of a sudden wants to talk with the town council members. I thought that was a little bit curious. you know I think probably I would think as expect the reaction. I'm sure that they grab your field of the pressure and they also. Want to keep running. You have a safe organization. I don't think they want to have a lot of violence. Employees calls in their in their business. It doesn't make any sense from a business standpoint. So I had somebody that was just riding by and I'd like to get your comment on this on his bicycle. WHO WAS Mentioning. The crime that takes place. Maybe I shouldn't say crime, but he. He felt like since Dr. Hamad Dan got murdered at the library that the town council has not done anything this is his words has done anything to make the town safer. You know and you know the situation here I think. We don't have a police department. I mean Santa. Bill can do stuff that we can do because we don't have a police department I. Don't think are based guys. Should try to be. Police we're not. GonNa arm them. We're not GONNA we don't have. They just don't have the power to do that. kind of stuff and a lot of more retired policemen who don't WanNa do that. That's a retired for a reason. So the town is limited in what we can do. We have to work with other powers and we've been trying you know there's a bit of a pushing Chavez county where the county tries to pay for as little as possible on the town so share we share our taxes go to. The county sheriff for patrolling by they're saying they're giving us a minimum coverage with the sheriff. Saying we want more, we have to pay more. Is it time to think about a police department on the beach. You know expense. I think I've. Been told it'll cost about three times more than we're paying now. Got It. Any other questions about the crime and well I guess back to your point of. Talking with the Lani Kai about stuff that can be done just in general better lighting. More cameras are those things that are all up for debate. You know across the island. You know not just you know. Stuff doesn't just happen there. It does happen other places so. Are they looking at the cost of that maybe? You know I'm not I, don't think I. Think it's probably more. than costs. I know which. I knew a London police officer once and I was talking to her a new as a fight outside of a bar and London cameras everywhere in guy hit a guy. He fell in and hit his head. And they tracked the guy. Walking you went to a an underground station, took the train, and all the way to his door, using security cameras and caught him now. That's a little bit intense. Certainly, the areas where there's a lot of activity a lot of crime you know I think that that light. You shed some light on that. It helps disperse it, but the other thing, too is told by a sheriff some years ago. Is it we are, we're not. We're four Myers Beach, but we are the beach for Lee County and everything and everybody. That's in Lee County when they come to the beach, they come here, so that means retirees that means college kids that means gangs. Everybody comes here. We redid a little bit of everything in the county. So wh what you're looking at with. This stuff is more of a reflection on what's going on in the county. Then what's going on the town? Bill. Have you been getting a lot of from residents? concerned about what took place this week. I am I. Appreciate Your Concerns. And one thing that I'm telling everybody is again comes down to the power there we have. A link to the? Liquor Licensing Board I. Send a link to the sheriff's Office. Citizen complaints matter. The more complaints to come about things of the more. They'll pay attention to it. Complaining to a I understand and I fully support complaining to city councilman. We're here to listen. But. You can also take action on your own and go directly to liquor licensing board indirectly to the sheriff and complain, and they run and it provides. A motivation to do more. What did you think when you saw sheriff Marsinah's election sign underneath aligning sign. You know well since we're in election this this is of you know there's a there's a plus minus that right and we may see more action in the election. Because election's coming up, you may see more active from the Sheriff I. Think that to be honest that the sheriff is failing for Myers Beach. And that's an issue because you know four Myers beach like you guys is not just for the six thousands of people that are here. Everyone feels ownership to the beach. Everyone wants to be safe, so they can take their families down. We have an outside influence over our our population and I think that the the sheriff really should. Make sure that we have safety for people to come to. Buy was. Quiet I. Don't know final question on that. And we'll move on unless you had another. Do you think that it was? It was correct to say that? The residents of the beach shouldn't feel like there's a killer on the loose. That's hiding in one of the. Nooks and crannies on the beach that that was kind of an isolated incident with several people that knew each other. Will probably the safest time to was when when you were allowed to fly after nine eleven. because. The security was at its highest, so I think now probably everyone's on their best behavior. You've probably I. DO agree that you know I mean a scary, but I don't think there's someone on the loose. They probably were not shrunk fort, Myers, beach and it probably not coming back because I know people looking for. Okay. Let's talk about the mask issue. The masks are required. Our mandate was mandated on Fort Myers beach when you look back at How how the mandate was approved. You think, do you do? Do you think that perhaps there should have been more public input than there was or allow time for more public input because you see it in the Cape and you see it all these other towns where the public is really their voicing their four, and against for hours and hours at those meetings. You know and the win about different than we did. You Know I. Don't set the agenda coming in I think we saw like they're in the emergency meetings leading up to the The, start of this thing that you know. They usually have some kind of boyer played. Ordinance, ready I went into that meeting are without any expectations I just wanted to see what the other councilman suggested. What what kind of ideas came up and that kind of came up at the last minute, so there was no premeditation to do that and try to hide it from people. I think public impediment Fan of public input. I was surprised when we had a meeting that there was only one person there to it were speaking. And I think also it was a prophet. I mean we're following Santa. Belt incentive mass mandate. So I. Don't think it was completely unexpected. A lowly were no details. NASMYTH was gonNA look like is honestly we didn't know. What was Santa Bella was the county that you initiated the? Start of The the ordinance from two different cownie strict. Then you guys took a break and then came up with something Do you believe that if you would've said? Hey, wait let let's wait twenty four hours and let the public know that you had to have more people talking about the mass. I assume. But I mean. Guards to the the mass mandate. Under what circumstances and at what time frame do you think that will be changed or repealed? Or what kind of metrics are you guys using to guide those decisions? Well if isn't part, it's an. Ordinance resolution is part of the emergency declaration wants. The state of emergency is lifted then everything everything associated with that say Murray see goes away. That's the idea of that's why rules are different with state of emergencies Or if if these better before that now I will tell you straight up that it seems to me that we're going the other direction now. I would just read today's paper that the White House is labelling southwest Florida a red zone and one of the things that they are this is. This is supposedly leaked document or Obtained Not wasn't officially announced, but the White House taskforce is also. Saying the red zone should consider a mask mandates. Okay so Islam. Is the mask mandate working here on the beach. You know I think some of the important areas it is. You know this is not something. We're not chasing down. Everybody who is. You know. Casualty now wearing a mask a place, or maybe they should. But I think that it is. It does one major thing, and that is, it helps businesses to. To argue with to have this from the customer, so as not between the business and the customers, not an opinion of the businessman is now creating adversary relationship between the businessman in their customers. This is they just say this is the rule, so the businesses and most of them are very conscientious. They want people to wear masks or tech. Their employees end to protect their customers. Can say that this is the law is forced. The hand of something places like Publix which I've got a lot of people. Tell me that they're really concerned about. Because is our store and they want to go pick some things, and they don't feel safe. Because of it will now wearing masks now who are invested us? So, have any tickets been written or or find been given for the mask? I don't know I don't. I have not heard of any. So. Do you think it might have been more effective if you? If you guys kind of push people to do it and recommended doing it and educated people on it as opposed to people, some people will just not wear them because they feel like the government is trying to. You know to step on their neck and other governments have like Cape Coral have decided they were going to. Recommend them and then educate. What's the better way to do it? Well! You know you you. You probably want the public comment in some of these hearings. and. One of the real problems with not mandating is you have an awful lot of people who who for some reason believe the masks that have been around in the medical field over a hundred years and if proven. So don't work or even harmful. And I, think also you know there's a lot of people who point to things that are just faulty logic things like. Osha? He will talk about you know. Ocean asked her hazardous environments. And masks really don't fit that and I've I've even finished for ocean stuff. I worked five industry and we. During race to us, you know hydrogen sulfide hydrogen sulfide is deadly, reading one breath of that it turns in associated gas in your lungs, and you're. You're pretty much gone. That's different than code because any virus need a viral load in any kind of reduction of viruses. Going into your body, you reduce that load and you better you bet your chance of number one the immune system getting a head start or the other just did not taking hold at all. And the other thing is you know because there's a lot of any other things. People and I've heard someone weeks ago on your show saying well, if someone wants to wear a mask and that makes them feel comfortable. That's okay. That's not the way that we surgical masks were. Surgical masks don't protect the surgeon during surgery. They protect the patient. They are more or less three times more effective at protecting people from the where they are the wear, so not wearing a mask and saying you're doing the right thing by letting other people wear. The masks completely missed the point of how they were. The other thing that actually bear little dental. Is that is, it comes to this. Is Misunderstanding, about masks Okay. Say Well Mass. Really cannot. They're not fine enough. To to block the point to the was. I have the number. The size of the coronavirus, but water molecule is a thousand times smaller. Then dethrone a virus and if I take. I take a mask. A little bit goes through when I hit some force and that was a lot of water going through. Most of it is trapped in the mask. Even the water is naturally smaller than the virus because it attracts with alleger statics in the virus so small against it gets kind of caught up in the traffic of the other molecules, which makes it more easier to trap, so they are not members of the second. You can't wear a mask and do anything. Get Away with it, but they are effective enough that the CDC has said of the head of Lee County's Department of Health. They've all said that if. Eighty ninety percent of the people more than that. Who are masks that to four weeks we could have this. Go Way instead of looking at now. Probably more closures that was again in the in the the White House. Corona virus. Taskforce is talking about scaling back restaurants closing gyms, the things rolling things back that we had opened up in, we just wore masks. It'd be better for businesses, but there's so many people out. There are not too many. There's and vocal minority of people who really think that masks don't work, and they're not gonNA wear them unless they're forced to. Do you have any updated numbers. On the Beach Center. That have tested positive. Last I looked. It was in the forties. I do know personally. Four people who have it who you work or live on the island? And? Three people who deliver work and then one other and. You know in in some of run on town staff. So you know it's definitely here. And I've were really good friends. One person and we know what she's going through, and IT'S A. It's different for every person. But it's definitely here. Bill what isn't the town? Put out the kind information you talked about Santa Ball before and following them on the on the mask ordinance. What isn't a town? Put out more information about how many. People on the beach have the virus and how many employees of the town have the virus somebody at bay? Oaks had the virus closed close it they. They shorten the hours, so they clean more, which makes perfect sense, but the town sharing that information with with the residents. Why not? Well I don't know I. Mean I been I been pushing the town to to do more sign at around a just. Don't let people know who kind still around I. Can't really you know I? Know they have they have a point person who deals with corona virus. There are privacy issues you know. If if I came down with coronavirus, I wanted to tell you like. Commissioner handed. That's all right, but the the medical establishment can't say that commissioner and has has a corona virus I. Don't mean I. Don't mean People's names. I certainly don't mean that just numbers so people so people know that's all I meant. You know that that's indesit decision on down I. I I'm like you more proponent of open. This think knowledge is the key. and. But they know. where? The people who live here are associated with being from here so a lot of means. That's also the ZIP code of Fort Myers beach which includes. You know quite a bit off the island. Including San Carlos Island and and some of the trailers out there. By We have a lot of people come in love employees come and go a lot of guests. Come and go you guys, come and go so if you catch the coronavirus here on the island and take it home. You don't show up in the CYSTIC. No I was just going to say that. I know that at one point they had issued numbers for Fort. Myers beach and I just think that that would be a good way that. Or maybe not a good way as a bad choice of words, but a way to track the trend here. You know that you would know. And you might be able to attribute how the masks are working. Make that connection, but without you know without having the numbers. It's hard to know. You know we're. We're an island you know. I've even seen people suggesting that this latest surge Lee County is due to our mass mandate. We have pretty. Where we have an outsized influence compared to the number of the people because we have a lot of visitors from all over the country and you go to. You know condos that are renting out. You know they're. They -cation rentals in license plates from all over. There's very few Florida plates there. They come to Ireland and whatever effect they have. They take some more else with them. So, our number maybe is not as significant as the other numbers but I think that people do come visit here. We're providing some safety with his NASCAR mandate that maybe they'll have chance of taking it home. One last question on this because I got a couple more issues, I wanNA. Make sure we can squeeze them all in here, are you in favour of rolling back closing businesses, and and going back to the way it was when were locked down. You know I am I didn't attend on the virus I really I. been trying very hard. To do what I can do with my limited our to avoid closing businesses, because I love the small businesses on Fort Myers beach. They were my favorite things about being here. We don't have a lot of giant chains. We have a lot of mom and pop shops. They are also. In their the most vulnerable portion of the most vulnerable business segment, we have with your own alliance. That's why I am adamant and vocal on both social media and anyone anyone else will talk about the importance of wearing a mess because that is the most business friendly way is depressed this virus and not causing additional shutdown. Now there is shutdown. It probably won't. Won't be coming from Fort Myers Town Council on. It may come from the state or may come from the county or may come from Washington DC because the local leaders here on the county level or doing nothing, and I know this election coming up and I think that you know I did nothing and people die would not make it very get campaign slogan. Okay, we'll leave that topic there. Come back to another time were you surprised at the amount of? Public comment you got about base the bayside after it seemed like the project was moved to a three story building real. Quick on that topic. I know not. Surprise I know that some of the businesses around there whenever he happy and understand harbor. House is not very happy. I named mobilized on and social media. They they were the. They were the drivers for this. And Talk to people about it I think they will you know we'll see what happens in the future I also heard. There's chatter about them wanting to start a committee about depart. Want to let people know that there is a advisory committee. In the town that has vacancies that is talking about this park. That's the the crab committee, and if someone is interested in being a part of the process in started just yelling from the outside then. I encouraged them. No matter whether opinions are is to consider applying for this committee. Because even if You go to. The park is still going to be done with the park and this will give them a voice. I thought it was. The Anchorage Committee is is. Is that a different committee? Well little overlap because we we enjoy meeting and this is back when I was a sheriff. CRABB we enjoy meeting with with designers with town, Council Angers Committee with Crab. That's the first time putting them. Billionaire came up. And that was at the that was from the Anchorage Committee. If the anchorage community is, the is really not involved in the park very much. If there's no upland facility there. Then! It's the crack committee. All we're doing is advising town council, but we get together. We talk about it. We you know they do a lot of. There's a good share. She Brook is a chair and they're. You know they're looking into it. They're they're. They're thinking very hard about it. They're gonNA. Look at options, and that's a good place to go if you WANNA voice. Now I know one of the options that I heard someone talking about was bringing back the fountain I guess there was a found there at one and I know the there's a group that would like you know. Maybe a veterans memorial something somewhere. Would that be a good spot? What is your feeling about what should go there to maybe preserve the the view? What do you think? Well we had designs cream. Brie, the building meeting we did have sketched out. And they you know they. They kind of look like what we have now dressed up. So you know instead of the you know. The the Gazebo would be more of a stage with a lighter look. You know less visibly intrusive. We suggested that they put. They may give it a nature law to him. The boardwalk behind there. They were talking about putting historical plaques. History. There's a lot of things at the time. I know that there's an I. Don't know how true it is complaining. That found was a huge maintenance issue. I'm not sure if that's still the case, or it's better to keep it open. Those are all things that are being addressed. And those far as the Veterans Memorial. Grandma's all Internet force creature, who is still with crab and now the opiate. You ran for town council. He's been the driver for. We've been talking about a lot of ideas. I would be. Surprised if there's not some kind of memorial as part of that hard when thing I would suggest is integrating into the existing. Is built so if there's a stage, maybe we call memorial, stage, veteran stage, and then use the stage as a way to make more. Larger Insignificant Memorial. All right bill less topics for today, and we really appreciate you. Coming on the Dune walkovers is. Never going away. It seems it's probably going to be. A lawsuit filed suit against the town seems like there's one every week filed against the town lately What do you think the chances are that we? Have a good case when it comes to that June walkover down on a cerebral of our. You know I think we do I think that a lot of the claims they make. I'm not sure if they're How much they're, they're attorneys are swaying their view there. Seems like them. Calling for damages for assets. They never really had is a stretch I. think there's a lot of holes in there. You don't you don't think they ever had access to the beach. The way. They drew it up on their little little handout They didn't because they had access to get over someone else's private property and then trespass. Gotcha so. Go Ahead And also I wouldn't call it a dune. Walk over. You know you behind you. That's doing walk over. It starts to the IT starts at one side that primary Dune and ends of the other side of primary Dune. This one is a bridge over a lagoon, and he goes to the primary and stops, so it is like almost the opposite. When Walker. Do you think it's important to let the residents know that? That, there's a potential that even if you win, let's say they file a bird Harris lawsuit. Even if you win the Bird Harris lawsuit, there's a potential that the town could win and the bridge, not whatever recall the bridge, or whatever not be built, but the town loses millions of dollars. It's you think at some point. Something should be said to the residents where they know that that could be the case. You know it's always the case you know what I mean. If You If you show you're going to cave every threat of lawsuit. How viable it is and you're going to be the the tool people use. They're just going to sue over everything whatever they want, and then you know, stomp all over our codes so i. think that you know this is not the only case and you know we have not a chance to talk about this. As a town council about what we think about going forward is. We can't really two options. One is we can discuss, and then the other side gets here. Exactly what it is were were considering and including. Maybe we are or we have to wait for a lawsuit before we can and talk about that, so you know there's always lousy spending. There's always someone who comes in thinks they're gonNA. Buy that House and build a Condo? That adds. and. Do you think there's a possibility at all that that? That critical wildlife area will lost. I think there's always a possibility that could happen. I don't think that the outcome of the if there is a lawsuit. Over over this this this walkway. I don't think that necessarily really tell you know. Give you any indication about whether or not someone's GonNa find this doesn't really doesn't really. Change the odds if someone's going to challenge the. Hawaii. Because, you know, yeah, this is the thing is someone. If. The town caves to the threat of a lawsuit over this then they're probably more likely to to not support. Against a lawsuit over the critical wireless figure, so he's showing a weakness may make more likely to someone challenges a critical for any questions on that. Okay. Bill? What did you think real? Quick Bullet points? What did you think when? The Second Margarita. The lawsuit was filed the day after the first one was settled. I. You know honestly it. Coming Again, this is the loss. On too much, but you know the tactics there seemed to be not win, but to delay. Do. You think it'll ever be built. I e. Certainly dumped, orbison showed himself to be a man of incredible patients. And I he's. You know he's GonNa. Do this far down the road. So. Anything else you WANNA. Say The residents bill. You're always great to come on. We appreciate that very much. Believe us, we do and anything you want to tell the people. I'm just you know the the best pass code? Which is the biggest risk right now? We have going forward. For our businesses for people is to just wear a mask. cleese wear a mask. You're doing it to protect know you're more like it's three times more effective to protect people from the wear than it is to protect aware, so don't think. Lounge where mask Israeli is solving the problem, viruses cannot live without a host. You don't need profession to get rid of this virus. We just need to reduce the spread to below in are not one, and then it'll go away on his own, and like many other countries I have friends in in in Europe and I have friends in New Zealand friends. In Australia they're getting back to normal because they were aggressive, because they're they're they're they're not. They're not following this fantasy of thinking massar evil. Mask Save, lives NASC. Pheasant for longtime they're they're you know if you have trouble reading through Use The thinnest nasty that you can get away with their less effective, but they're still better than nothing so pleased for the sake of everybody in the sake of our businesses for the sake of our population. And, for the sake of people who like to go to the gym, wearing ask. Go thanks so much for coming on. We really appreciate it. You're always great to us and we appreciate coming on ANC. And you guys. Thanks a lot bill beach, everybody town councilman. Town of Fort Myers bills, always great to command speaks his mind, and we appreciate that all right before we get to our next guest. We want to tell you about the island oils people. Smells lovely and keeps the bugs away and every time we we talk about the island oils, folks you go on and buy it and we appreciate that they repel the bugs. There's the no see'ums at drive you crazy. The mosquitoes to flies the nats. It sues the ITCH. 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All stand needs a microphone. Dare you see I. Ask her to do two things during the break, everybody. and. It's together a microphone into get. Guests lined up so ladies and gentlemen. Yeah Star fly fisherman of all of southwest Florida Stan the man has joined a Stan. Thanks for coming on and thank you for having thanks for all your patients, because bill is a is a great guest and he's very detailed. We try to keep them as long as we can. And we obviously a lot of important issues going on yeah yeah. Fishing fly fishing is cool I'm sure you're going to have A. Fishing, you can do and maintain your social distance. Come on with. Listen I will make. You feel bad. Santa Mitchell uncomfortable if she doesn't have a mask on you and I live together last week we had. The oil. No last week when we had this Santa Bell Katiba guy on, if we could get six feet apart once you've got out of the house. This houses weather though right now. It's a perfect day to be out fishing very comfortable. where I'm going soon as we're done here, I'm going over to Santa Bell Beach. And I like a high sky, a lot of Sun so you can look into the water. To find the fish so now and when you look into the water, isn't it better to have like the sunglasses need to be polarized always polarized sunglasses. I usually wear a biser. and. Right now on Santa Bill. If you're over there. Get to the beach because there's a lot of Nice snuck over there. Yes I, actually was out at Ding. Darling we talked about this on Tuesday and ran into actually found out a mutual acquaintance female of fly fisherwoman, who was out there and that is exactly what she was trying to get. She was trying to get in one little spot. to get a snook and she I mean it was amazing to watch. It is really. Mesmerizing to watch everybody to watch someone fly fish. A lot of people think that and maybe get intimidated by, but on the other hand. Club over on Santa Bell that we do encourage interested parties to come in. Teach them how to cast talk about the equipment might be needed. We eventually get into fly tying. and. Just talking about the sport in general now what's the name of that club? And how much does it cost to join? It's called, said about fly fishers. You can get online and look at that. Of Bell Fly, fishers DOT COM. The investment is significant, so you may have to get a mortgage loan or something. It's twenty dollars a year. That's a lot. Wow, I am definitely gonNA look into that. We do have meetings that start now. This year is kind of unusual, but in October monthly meeting over on Santa Bell. Generally it's at the library. We have guest speakers. We also have fly tying nights two nights a we are months, and all those dates are pending obviously because of the situation. How long does it take to develop? The skill and the accuracy for fly fishing when we're done here. We're going to I'm going to take you out and I'll have casting in about a half an hour. Nells away well, I'm a lefty. Does that make a difference? That's harder for me. How seriously it takes! Obviously, the more you do it. The more comfortable you get into different situations that require different. Type of casting techniques. Here on in Florida, we have open water like on Santa Bill will be about an hour and a half, and then we also have inside backwater as we call it. Where you got to pitch the fly under mangroves. which becomes difficult and challenging, so it just takes time in practice and all that. And how much is a typical like? The Rod is longer. And the real. You're not really re. You're kind of just pulling it in right. The real holds the line. Typical rods in Florida for fly, fishing or nine feet. There's different weights systems of rods six. Wait a higher, the number, the heavier the Rod. Stubborn weight eight way ten way like Tarpon you use a twelve wait. So where do you get the flies from? Do you have to catch the flies my bag? I know you have in your bag. you go out. Cats like. Is this a bunch of flies in my garage if I catch. On. You can't use those. Big Hook Yeah. They're not big enough now. There's a lot of stores in the area. Norm Ziegler Stone Santa Bell Whitney's Bait and tackle and Santa built to thirty nine flies at Benita. Beach. To thirty nine fly. That's the name sell flies. All kind of other equipment related to fly fish Hawk about a niche business and then the other one is mangrove out fitters in Naples. So, what do they do these fly somewhere? They get him to a big giant Well, you can make, and you can make your own that that's what we do not live flies fake. None of them are live now. Don't you think it'd be better fishing with live flies? Eat A lot of flock. Lose Your Beta Lot. I'll let you put. Roy Steroids. into knock. No seriously. Like I came from Pennsylvania where I fish mainly for trout, keep the my close to Stan. Keep them. My close fans can hear you, but mainly trout. And Small Mouth Bass I guided for small Mouth Bass on Susko. Hannah River up there. So the flies are different for use in the north. Down here what you're trying to imitate or mimic are the foodstuffs that these fish eat? Minnows. CRABS, okay, how of how do you mimic a fly to look like a minnow or act like a minnow I mean? Where's the training for that? There's a lot of materials that you could acquire. And you wrap them on. A piece of metal called the hook. Yeah, in different lengths and colors, and then specific I hear. He's being sarcastic, too. So, why not seems like a lot of work? Why not just throw bobber in the water with a minnow on? Yeah, you could do that or with the shrimp. Is it because there's an art to it that? There's something about the feel when you you're moving the fly in the water imitating. Let's say minnows. When you feel that, take when that fish takes to fly. It's very exciting one last week. Yeah, what a fly or a fish! I had about a forty inch snook. It's founded a few Fisher my lights. I'll remember the way he took the fly. He just took it and just so strong and digital. Get it on video. Do you wear a go pro when your fly fishing? Because, that would have been a memory. You could live forever in here. Did, you catch the fish. Well that I don't if I believe you then spit the hook. I fought him out. For probably ten fifteen minutes within one mile of where we're sitting. And I use a twenty pound leader at the end twenty five twenty five pounds. And he snuck have a very raspy. Mouth. Like a sandpaper emails and it broke to fly broke the lawn. So this is a dumb question, but I'm not a fly fisherman. Yes, Dan. Is there a poll involved because it always looks like people are just throwing lines out there nine foot pole. So when you're throwing the line out, it's not like you're trying to all of a sudden deficient jumps out and grabs a fly. Have time to grab the poll. That ever happened or your? Your rod is in your hand. Don't give me any look some I. Don't know anything about five fishing. Gotcha maybe cast thirty forty fifty feet, depending on the situation. Wow, that's a long one. Begin to move the fly like like a minnow. Let's say. And then official razor, and there's a real on is obviously a real on the on the. It, but you're just pulling. You're pulling wine. Everson we've have stand on. which way did not you pull the line in? What's the biggest fish you ever caught? Ninety Pound Tarpon on ten ten weight Lyra nine hundred pound tarpon now where you were you standing on land. Where where you strapped in. Cab you're on a boat and you a ninety pound tarpon. Owing flies out believe believe with Roger. Sure. He's got a vacation house and beliefs. Did you know that name me maybe next time you go, let you stay there. I'm not interested in Tarpon like. Here like a hundred two hundred pound fish. Forget it. If you go to Ding Darling, wildlife refuge, perfect SEGUE, yeah! That's a nursery for baby tarpon anywhere between five and twenty pound. Maybe twenty five pounds, so there are a lot more manageable. They're less work to land the fish well and fly fishing there. This is there's more activity involved in it because you're not just throwing it out putting a barber on your I mean it's a constant. You're constantly moving. I mean when I saw deedee she. I mean it's a lot. Yes! So. That's why haven't masseuse every month Yeah Sean. Do you WanNa talk about Ding Darling and all before we before we let you go fishing. In Tier there two days a week when it's open and we back up just a little bit because I never heard of Ding Darling until Monica, said the pod lady pod She's watching. Mother Yeah Yeah. She said that she said that you know your stuff, so she said you did some volunteer work at Ding. Darling and I had never heard of Ding Darling. You don't get out much. Ding Darling is about as sixty six hundred acre wildlife management area owned and run by the federal, government. It was set up like guy named Ding Darling. He was a cartoonist from Iowa. He recognized in the thirties that there was a problem. With. Less and less ducks, mainly, ducks and wildlife like that. And I think and I tell people this all the time. He probably drove Franklin Roosevelt nuts. Kept telling Franken rose. You GotTa do. We gotta do something. We gotta do so anyway. Finally in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty four. Federal Government set up. Something called a federal duck stamp. And today. What is it? How many years is seven years later? It's still in operation in order to hunt for ducks or geese. You must buy a Federal Duck Stamp Nice. Let a lot of people still just save the duck stamp. Yeah, I don't know how many refugees there are around the country. one of which is here on Santa. A. We have an education center there with a lot of big sibits. It's free to walk in the Education Center. There is a four mile drive that goes around the refuge of sixty six hundred acres where he can see wildlife such as bur. All kind of birds there's Bob Cats. They're kidding. Never seen a Bob Ken. COYOTES raccoons. How much the I? When I was out there and I thought it was six miles side, but when I was out, there I saw a bunch of birds, but I got very I got up to the edge of the water, and something caught. My eye looked down. There was a huge Blue Green Iguana. Scared me half to death out those violent, those Guana can be very invasive and not acceptable Johnny Pythons out there though pythons. So, how much is the duck stamp twenty five bucks right now. Is that a lot now? What if I nineteen thirty four was a dollar? It's always the federal government's always trying to get your money so anything else. You WanNa talk about listen. We really appreciate you coming on. We know we made you nervous and all that. Is for that. because. We have so many questions for bill. So many things I could talk. We can always have you on again to me I mean. Do you could do a whole fishing our. How about you write a column for a new website there you go. Fly Fishing column. Would you do that? BIG MONEY I can't pay. You need money for you. Go to Belize with Roger. You don't need me Toma. Awesome cards stuff all right anything else. Do you have any other? Questions if you get questions from anybody that okay. Yeah and if they have questions about fishing specifically in this area where to go when ago, what the US? I'll be happy to respond awesome stanton. Thank you all right. How long does it take you to make a fly? Depends on the pattern in our us, but probably anywhere from six to ten minutes. Wow, they sell. They sell retail for rebel. Or fifty to five bucks. Do you take a special requests? Certain flies? And how do you need any bug repellent when you go out on the boat? I mean no no. Okay that keeps the bugs away right? No! Thanks a lot stan. Fans fly-fishing expert. We wish we had more time because it's so interesting, but thank you very much. Stan and we will get some questions over to. And if you have any fly fishing questions, we will pass them along to stand, and before we get to our final guests. You're not GONNA WANNA you're not gonNA WANNA tune away. We have a lot to talk about. Men came after this after the segment with Steve, so you're going to want to stick around for that because we want to talk about her first a pawnshop visit, she made a visit to the pawn shop. So we're GonNa talk about that and we're GONNA talk about. Her confrontation that she had with a reporter during her press conference coverage of the Lonnie situation, so stay tuned for that after our guest, but before Steve Comes on I. Want to tell you about the Fort Myers Tiki tours. We've been on the Fort Myers Tiki. We've seen a lot of people post pictures Monica. The the fine ferry pod lady was out with the boat. People at the TIKI tourists a couple days ago. You can check her website out for some cool pictures, and they're doing private boat tours for up to four people for one nineteen from six people, four, hundred, seventy nine, and that's total. Promote not per person you bring your. Your own beer. You bring your own booze. You bring your own food. And they They have the great captains, and they have the safe captains, and they have the cooler with the ice. It's ninety minutes perfect if you WanNa nice and early in the morning, and still still spend the day with your family, or or you got some yard work to do, but you get the. To roll around the beach for a ninety minutes before that so called, make your reservations or check them out online with the phone. Number is eight, eight, seven, zero, zero, four two. That's Eight, eight, seven, zero, zero, four two so stick with US after we talked to Steve Phillips. Who was one of our sponsors We are going to talk about Kim's experience. covering covering the press conference that the sheriff ad and we got some other stuff to tell you about and. and. That is after Steve Phillips joins US Steve So. Thank you so much for coming on leisure. How're you doing good yourself now? If if you don't remember Steve was with us once before when we were talking about the PGA program back when we were really social distancing, we were at our house, and you're think you're at your house or your office and we were talking about that, and now at least we've come a little bit further, but tax season is over. Over longest tax season in my twenty five year career, yeah! We are now in extension world, so the next deadline. Is September fifteenth for corporations partnerships. And then October fifteenth for personal and See Corpse and tells the company, the name of the company CG CPA's over a local CPA firm. We've got offices in Fort, Myers and Naples. probably twelve hundred over twelve hundred clients. We do work all around the country tax accounting financial planning. We specialize in helping small businesses kinda get their stuff in order your life organized and one of the reasons we wanted to have you on, and we're happy that you're a sponsor is because you have to have when it comes a something like that. You really need to have somebody trust and we've been working together for I. Don't know it seems like ten years ten years back when you own the gym the gym. Yeah, and You need to have somebody who trust because you don't want to have somebody. Get into trouble or somebody. Not Do it right and I had somebody before. I think was pat McGowan. Who was introduced. Yeah, he was manager of Costco still is I think he's down in Naples now or four Myers Oh. Is it okay and so and it's been great? I resent, so you really do need to have somebody can trust. Yeah I mean businesses unique. There's IT's. I learned something every day for my clients and the people I work with you in. It's a robust challenging world I mean I was Louis was just flipping through my phone, and said what would be the twitter trending topics in twenty twenty, and this was issued in February. We were talking about a I and. Robots. Said cove it or social distancing or anything to that. Do. You think there's going to be another round of P or have you heard that more money's coming from the government? They just seem to be printing it at seed there is there is talk on the hill that you may do another round of stimulus. I think I mean my expectation I don't expect anything done. Just because we're an election, right goal and you. You know what the political world is nowadays nobody knows, and if that happens, and people have to vie for it, they should call. You can have a lutely absolutely I mean it's been a challenging year I. Get the number one question is. Where's my refund and whereas my stimulus check? I can tell you the IRS is. There have to comply with social distancing and isolation, and they're overwhelmed so days in the old days of me, calling the irs and getting a quick answer a long right there working remotely. They're still trying to get refunds out There's a number articles out there. It's it's been unique. Everybody gotten their checks to their twelve hundred dollar checks. They're still waiting. Still people waiting. It's crazy, but it's crazy. It's not. Gotten Better One of the exciting things is and this is one of the advice given everybody. If you haven't gotten your checks, don't stress out. there. Are. Expectation is that you will still be if you didn't get a refund or stimulus check. The Stimulus Jack. You'll be able to take it on your twenty twenty return. Okay, so it's not gonNA lost forever, right? The money didn't run out. You're going to get it. Yeah, you will get it. This isn't like oh I didn't get it in. It's not coming in. So some of the other things that your group does. Is You said our daughter up with a? Retirement account so that's important to start especially when the kids are young, you know. I've been thinking a lot about this. Because I was down here in two thousand eight, the world seemed to stop and real estate. And a lot of the businesses and a lot of the opportunities were created during that time. This is going to be the time when. You get an executive or somebody who had a job in now, says hey, this is the time to do dream. You Know Create Beach Talk Radio. You know they're. Interesting opportunities like that aren't created. During easy times, or they're created when we as Americans, people, we put our put our feet together and say all right. Let's pull her pants up and go back to work and figure out what how to create the next mousetrap, right? You find a niche, but you you put your you know what to the wall and you work hard at it and I think I. Still Think there's an American dream if you're willing to. If you just have to not for every single job, not for every single trade if you find something at the right time like you say. It's America dreams different for everybody. Right? My dreams a lot different, the nearest I don't want to be on radio every week you know. Exactly. Now if someone is making the shift. You know a job where they were getting a retirement funded and partially funded, and then they're gonNA. Go completely solo. That be a good time to come top. Absolutely I mean it's a great time to tell. Anybody who's doing through life changes. This is a great time. Life changes are scary. I talked to one of my clients who got laid off from Chico's. and she's going through tough times, but we talked about. Hey, what do you WanNa? Do you know it's age old question? What do you want to do when you grow up? Don't grow up but it's it's the those are the Times. People start making decisions, and you don't want to make the wrong decisions. Those decisions can be costly. Long term short term decision to make now can affect you for twenty years. Piece if I'm around in twenty years, so in addition to financial planning and and taxes. This is formation we do. We help people get their financial world organized. You know I'm sure. You guys got junk drawers at home Shia. She's got so many. Please, one of the things we try to do is put the strategies in place whether it's tax planning whether it's you know making sure everything's properly organized. Oh, boy, so that there's a strategy. There's approach. Do, we get you to save. It's all about saving. You know an on. There's only a couple of Google's in apples in the world, right, you know not. Everybody's going to be that. That doesn't mean they can't have a secure lifestyle. Pro a profitable business and live the life they want to. You know it just means they're not going to be Bill Gates now I know it's never too early. Really Start Planning, but is it. Is there a point at which it's like too late? There's harder times I mean. Occasionally I have very difficult decisions with clients and say, and it's unrealistic expectations if you're making. Fifty thousand a year, and you're hoping to retire with two hundred thousand dollars income sixty five. That's probably not the time. Yeah Yeah I mean. There's got to be realistic realism. Perspective and you just. Plan ahead. Plan ahead set expectations set goals so much of financial planning tax planning is so much of what do you want out of life? You know. What does that mean what does that? Associate you know for every individual. I know I have a friend who follows a certain method of doing things and so she's got. Envelopes, with all the money kind of for bill, paying and that kind of said, what do you think about that strategy better than nothing? So once had a client. In a friend in he was put. I can't save. Everybody's taking I said could go get a coffee jar. In a cash business, I said put the money in the coffee jar and every time you take something out. Right what you spend it on, yeah! I don't ever want to do. WanNa right when I'm spending. Actually nobody wants accountability Oh. No! You don't want to know where your money went I. Guess Sometimes I feel like I'm not gonna I can't tell you with me when I die, so I mean she's got life insurance, which was nice. You'd better have that to write a report and have better pretend to be able to use it's. Oh, thank you very much. So? How do people get in touch with you if they WANNA talk yeah? All my information's on our website. See CGCP AS DOT com. You know reach out to us. we're continually take on new clients. we do everything from? Small businesses, mom and pop to multi employer people. So you know there's not a my philosophy. Is something somebody who wants to do? The right thing wants to get organized and to get better I'll work with you. Know now, do you offer? Like distance and zooms. Absolutely! We have clients in probably forty different states. You know. I think that's the dramatic change in the economy the days in age where it was a handshake in you, you saw that Guy Outta i. They're gone. And it's even more reality down here because we're in south Florida. Nobody's very few people are from here. It's we have such a transient area so. A lot of clients go back north in the in the summer. and they introduced me to their friends up north, and we can absolutely do zoom calls. I think my farthest client is in the UAE. It was just a relate. Allow yeah, yeah, he's working remotely so I. Don't have that call. We don't have racist fate remote, so if people want they tax help or they need financial planning help. Can they ask for you when they? Absolutely I think the trust. Thing is really important I mean it really somebody that you don't WanNa. Have to change every single year. You WanNa be with somebody that you can ask for help. When something when we we're talking about our crap, you know the first thing I said. Don't ask me I. Don't know what the hell. I would rather my philosophy is always I'd rather hear about a phone call in November December then in April when I have I've just filling out paperwork. Right there's not much. It's after the fact. If I can be proactive and help. All of my clients and friends do the right thing by themselves. It's a lot better than anything else, and we want to make sure. John knows that you brought your family down and you spend money at his place and you bought breakfast and that was very nice of you. We appreciate that you have a lovely family and. What's your? What's your plan for the weekend? What are you doing so? You know what my kid now wants to go flying. So. I guess maybe we will be fishing. No, it's It's been crazy taxis, and so we're just GONNA. Take it easy. Relax Nice. You know as I'll speak out to most of the as we work our butts off till certain deadlines, and now it's time to get. The oil changed Cleveland Hall Yeah Clean Our do our own taxes, yeah. Right! So one more time. Let everybody know how they can find you ask every weekend our website the. DOT, com. Our phone numbers two, three, nine, nine to nineteen, seventy-three, or on social media Give us a call. I calls complimentary. We're not gonNA charge by the hour. We're going to make sure give you the right advice and see if it's a good fit on both sides. Steve thanks so much for coming on. Thank your sponsorship. Appreciate it very much, and you guys have a great weekend. Thank you, thank you very much, Steve! Phillips everybody you hear US talking about him every weekend we'll make sure that we mentioned the website and the phone number repeatedly every weekend and I have an idea about the sponsorship that WanNa. Throw you when I chat with you all military or something so. All right thanks a lot. All right I see your guest after. Having interview after he here, so we want to. On nine that I know that, so I wanted to talk about a kind of warmed. Everybody up that you had a your first experience with a press conference. Oh my goodness where you took our cell phone down where everybody had their one hundred thousand dollar cameras, this was after the the murder situation at the Lani Kai and in the back of the line guy, and then the press conference was called, which really was honestly, it was a complete waste of time. He didn't say anything but my. My my conclusion was. It was his chance to get in front of the cameras during an election year. We didn't say anything. There was no reason for a press conference, and then what was even more interesting, was he let NBC take him to the side and gave us a private interview with NBC, but that winker with you or whoever it was, he just took one station aside and didn't say anything, so we got. That's just my conclusion, but anyway. What did you think of your first press conference? Well I I think I made quite an impression. I went down there and as you said because I. Have No idea what I'm doing and I have just my little camera so I walked up in the camera, guys. You said they were going to be really nice but I. went in it in more ways than one because it was one hundred degrees, but they were so so nice. Guys all of them. Yes, yes, all all three of the media outlets. That were there they were they were very nice. One in particular from wink was very helpful because you would left out the St the mini St Card. St Card, and yes, down without with our tape record without the D Cork. He gave me one. Let me borrow one very very helpful. They let me go to the front. Because all I had was, this may has all you need. One hundred thousand dollars May said that that's going to be the wave of the future, and then when we were across the street and then the sheriff's. Sheriff's Deputies said Oh you can move in closer. We're going to go across the street. All I had to do was pick up my phone and my little purse and I was I one over there, so it was nerve wracking for me I. Don't think I heard anything that was said just because I was like trying to make sure everything was on, and whatever and it was. I don't I don't ever want somebody who get murdered. But that's what the excitement of covering news is. You're all there. You're all trying to get the story. You're all trying to ask the right question to see. If you can get information out of a result, the president had been there a long time I. Mean Kudos to all of them, because that is a hot I'm sure thankless job. Being at least behind the camera, you need to tell the story I. Know You don't want to, but you need to tell the story about the Prima Donna reporter and what she said. Yes, you need to tell the story because this is unbelievable. Those guys are doing their best, and this is A. This is a reporter, a local reporter and she didn't. You're not going to tell the story than I and she was NBC or I. Don't even want to get it. One of the local reporters looks over at the cameraman and said you're going to have to correct me if I say it wrong. I'm. GonNa say it wasn't very just. It was hot. And making need him for direction she. That's all it was. You'RE GONNA. Get it right, and it's hearsay, so let it go. You were saying. that. I did because were so. You're always giving me a hard time about stop I did go up and I. I I was careful, and I approached the sheriff who was in his car, and he was very nice, and he said thanks for all you do, Blah! Blah, so I went to give him a card to ask him to come on the show because we'd love to have him on the show and he was like well. You know he doesn't keep tra-. He doesn't mind daily are. Are Gradual, but I kept assuring him I was not a crazy person, and so he directed me his pin, and I turned around, and I see you know the sheriff. There's other deputies looking at me and I you know I'm trying not to look like a crazy person and makeup. which I never wear was down I looked like I had two black eyes I'm sure it. I'm sure it wasn't a good luck for me. So what happened? Was You get the PAO's card? And so now we have to follow up on this murder. We want to know who the killer is. You want to know who the villain is that he wants to so now I have the card, so I constantly call now because I want the information and so he picked up his phone i. Had No idea who it was now. He's got my phone number in his phone, so he never answers again, but that that's just the way it works I mean nobody you're getting no information. Since that press conference on what happened down, listen. They have a certain way that they have to run an investigation and they cannot give out details until it's OK safe to do so we're reporters. We don't work for the sheriff's department. The idea is to get the information. But I just don't think that's what reporters. Critical. The question, but when they say, we have no information at the time. Do you want them to make it up or do you think compromise is the investigation show? You're watching CSI. Walk to say is, they should say that the community is not endanger. That should have been a press release. They put out the Fort Myers. Beach community is not in. The first thing they didn't. Say That something happened. They know exactly what happened down there. Everybody knows what happened down there. Now, let's move on. What did you think of Uncle Bob calling out calling all the council members asking them for for meeting, although it wasn't with Mr Bob, it was with was with Ken who is his son? Who is now running the place? And it was a co from what we found out. It was a complete waste of the council members time. It was nothing productive. Right I don't know I I. Didn't hear I'm my sources. Tell me I hope that's. That at is an olive branch to like. Let's work together and make this place safe. Make the whole area safe well I mean I don't i. don't really blame. I don't I. Don't want to get into this with people on the facebook either I mean I shit happens. Right I mean unfortunately. But my my complaint isn't. I want it to be safe down here, but obviously I am more concerned about not more concerned I'm trying to say that it's one thing after another with the lawsuits and I'm not trying to draw the two together, but it just seems like. It seems to me like there's a deep state down here and let me explain to you why I think that is. He's controlling through Chris. Pat Net one area. He's controlling that no construction will improve that area. Beautify that area now. Let me tell you why I think there's more. Do you remember the project on the other side of the bridge that was approved? What was the name of that one base? It's everything's Bay something right it's it's the big giant project well, who was against that one? Joins Simmer. Who is the mother of Tracy Gore and that's though, but let me get your business over there. They have a lot of. Let me get to my point. You didn't know this because you probably didn't read the news well. They've filed a lawsuit to stop that project yesterday. So their complaint now is that when something happens on the beach? There's not going to be enough time for the people to get off the beach and a hurricane or something like that, so they filed a lawsuit. Against whoever I don't even know I didn't get a chance to look at it to stop that project. Guess who the lawyer is Ralph Brooks. Is the lawyer the same lawyer? That's filing lawsuits with Chris Patten against. Margarita villas one. DIV, state, cabal that seems to be getting away with everything and it just it's crazy now. Hey, they're probably laughing. All the way to you know to the to the whale for their drinks for people to bring lawsuits and the system is set up to fight frivolous lawsuits, so it's all going to have to get worked out, but people have the right to bring a lawsuit. Okay, and as has been pointed out to us, there's. Not Everybody can bring a lawsuit. It's people with the deep pockets that ring the lawsuits. Ring One, but if it is a big one, you're gonNA need big bucks, so did you know that you didn't know that that? There was another lawsuit filed to stop that project and he's Ralph Brooks's specialty is is land, use and things like that, so it's figuring out how to maneuver in the in the plans are figuring out how to maneuver in the government. I guess the you know the try and figure out how this complex didn't work, and how that plans not going to let people get off the island, and if somebody's willing to pay for it, I guess. You Father Lawsuit Right I mean I. Would I don't know I'm not accusing kind of being behind that lawsuit because I think I don't know, but I think those guys on that side of the bridge. That family has money and they probably could, but I'm just saying it's one deep state of. Ten people that running things on this island still. Anything else you WANNA talk about. Wanting to talk about our final thing will let you all go. Boring you is our website or brand. New website is launching on August. The third and you saw that we've been pushing the The headlines which will come out on Tuesday and Thursday August the fourth and fifth. It's going to be all news is going to be no opinion of mine or could be opinion of hers, but I'm not going to get crazy with. With opinions on that at all, it's going to be straight news. which is what we do or I do at my day job, so it's just going to be straight news and some of the things that we already have the. Can our your interview with Chester Rogers, which was very cool. GonNa be? It's not going to be just news. Thou. It's a article. Is. Noteworthy. It's GonNa. Be Collins from people like Monica people like Ranger, rob, and and Fisher Guy Chief Lov is going to. Submit some stuff torso all the familiar names that you know and the new, so we're going to be covering. The council meetings and the LPTA. Sale meetings and covering the news 'cause I. Know You like to go over to Santa Bill and pay that five dollars. It's six and we have to get some. We have to get the past so that we don't only eighty bucks is what does somebody was saying and the other thing want to make sure you know is that we did do an interview with the folks that are doing the road construction. Construction that's GonNa be during the week of the third, and we're also working on an APP that will replace the text messages that you're getting. Those are expensive and you know I know you don't like to text, but you know you push a notice a notification to a fall like you get on Wync that's going to be part of all these things, and so the way that you sign up for. For the headlines as you go to talk Radio News Dot Com, just put in your email. I'm not to share with anybody, but the most important thing about the website is. It's going to be basic when you get on the website to look for the news. You're not going to see a pop up. You're not going to see a video automatically play because that drives people crazy. It's going to be. Be The new stories and advertisers. We're going to have advertised and one news story. This is really off topic, but listen gold. I didn't know this, but I went to take some jewelry I've never done this before like I had this jewelry. It's not a pawnshop. It's on Daniels. It's a it's a coin shop and I have a chart now. It's not a pawnshop. They're very nice. They're wonderful people they. Were you able to trade your jewelry in for money I got yes, because cold is at. Not Today at all time high what it is, but when I did, it was eighteen hundred dollars an ounce, and it's one of the highest. It's been so if you have any old gold run out to Daniels. I can give you the address very nice people out. After she came home from the Pawnshop, she went looking for everything in the. House my staff Jillian. All the she's a foreign. So she could have it the. Guess molded together for some days ago, it was an it was a twenty year high of one thousand nine hundred dollars an ounce. Where's that goal? Twenty years ago whereas I war band, I'm thinking about it, and it turned out I didn't buy gold. It was silver. Silver was going to be the thing now. Never get anything right like that. Anything else right. Thank you so much ending Lasko. Get your goal together and go to the pawn shop. It's not a up and don't forget to go to Beach Talk Radio News Dot Com and sign up for the newsletter. Thanks to build each thanks to our fly, fisherman, frank thanks to Monica for setting it up. Thanks all of our sponsors. We appreciate Mango Rita's for sponsoring us on. On, facebook, you gotTA. Do all the money paint things I know you just WanNa. Be a star, but you gotta say all these stuff. All these things stay safe. 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What's Next, Evolutions, Rebirth

Altered Geek

30:16 min | 2 years ago

What's Next, Evolutions, Rebirth

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They, they haven't had an episode like two months. So I don't I don't know exactly what's going on. But. Nevertheless, I've been having fun doing some stuff on tack. And I think that also a part of being altered geek, is not just the content, but how you follow this person. And what your geeking out to him which you're how you're altering your victim? And so. I think that applies to myself, as well at this point, I think that the element of, of having to change. Involving is kinda hit this certain wall that I need to decide which direction I'm going, and I I've kind of got it grasped I'm just still kind of on the fence of it. So. The, the point is I'm moving, I'm not going to be. A Michigander anymore going to be moving to Colorado for my new employment opportunity, which I'm very excited for. Getting to be the director slash producer of a or associate director slash producer on a children's radio program. Which it's bible based. But there's a lot of good lessons for kids in it. It kind of reminds me a can of, of having, you know, like the old eighty Saturday morning, cartoons in a sense, without the visual, although you can go to their website and see, like the character designs that they have, which are really well done and. You, you get the, the, the us instead of like the, you know, don't touch, and open because it could be hot. It's bible, metaphors were scripture in, in that sense. So it's, it's interesting to me. And I'm excited for it. Plus, I may end up getting to do some podcasting on that side of things and some voices. So I'm kind of geeked on on that whole side of things. So, yeah, we've been looking. Next week will be flying out to Colorado. To check out places to live and four. To kind of scope out the job and kind of just see the the state. I mean, I've never been west of Wisconsin, which has been different to say the least the states, I've been to have been obviously, if live in Michigan. So I've been all over Michigan bender Ohio Bentiu, Illinois, Ben to Wisconsin been to Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida, as well as Texas, which flew to when I was implied there, and I have to say that the cost of living is about the same as Texas with much nicer sceneries what it's, it's appearing to and. While I realize that I'm not totally getting out of the ice belt. I'm also not in the insanely hot whether or the craziness of a five expressway or six expressway stacked, high city and so regardless of the way you put it. I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to the change. I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes. And I think that it's been an interesting process of packing things. We had our yard sale the last two weeks. The first day I had it I was flying solo for a little bit. And I started recording the podcast and I was doing it over my, my speaker over my phone while it sounds not too bad. I to not to use it. I was planning on publishing them and having light little short episodes and having something out. But I didn't really have the scream the full continuity that I was looking for or the full message. So I just I have it. But scrapped it. Maybe I'll, I'll save something from it, but there's really not any bloopers. So it's not really a point bringing up. But yeah, we're looking for. We well as far as the yard sales concerned, we had, we were digging through thanks to pack things and find things to sell, and it seems like things were just coming out of the woodworks of things just didn't need. I went through my DVD's pretty much everything that we've covered on the network. I pretty much sold all the DVD's all of them are gone. Maybe one or two are laughter or couple handful. If any I sold all of my comics, give or take a couple that I still have yet to decipher whether to get rid of I have one transformer left, I have no books. Sold a lot of the extra tablets we had laying around. So it a lot of the extra cameras a lot of the soundboards just a lot of things that were just around that either were packed away in a tote not serving any purpose. They weren't really useful in any capacity in. So we. Sold them. I mean there there really wasn't a point having it anymore. And while I love nostalgia. And I remember all of these shows I just the sheer amount of space that these things take up and the fact that I have to fit everything in my house. Now granted my built in dusk, isn't going anywhere. It's stuck. Which a little sad to say that it's, it's going to stay here, but I'll have to build a desk again. But yeah, I mean I, I was kind of. I'm kinda sad to it's, it's bittersweet to see everything go, but it also feels refreshing to kind of go almost minimalistic with things and kind of get rid of the clutter. If that makes any sense at all to anyone. I mean granted I had a lot of stuff that I've collected over the years and looking back on it not only I had to read an article recently about Amazon, you know, your orders that you've done over Amazon, the entire lifetime, and they it like a spreadsheet type of thing. And I saw like everything I've physically bought on Amazon, and then how much turned around and sold it back for whether it's Amazon or something else. And it's like pennies on the dollar, like everything. Just loses value the instant. You buy it, and which just goes to show you that it's not really worth what you're paying for. To some degree. But I I, I realized how much money I've wasted and stuff. And I guess that's kind of my point here is I have my computer. I have my technology. I just actually ordered a when I'm recording this, it's on a Tuesday or Monday. So I have not yet received my Google pixel three A X L, which just came out the previous week, we were trying to get the three a but unfortunately, those are all preorder or backlogged, because they're all sold out, everywhere we try to get a best buy. We, we have AT and T for internet. And more or less. In Colorado, variety and is rated number one with AT and T a close second now, mind, you, it's all mountains. So in certain areas of like you're gonna have zero salve reception and t mobile is like following, like they're about, like two thirds of the way down on that list. And then they're sprint like another notch below them. And then it's like everybody else. In. So like getting these phones I didn't want to be locked into a Verizon version of the pixel. So we went to go buy this thing at best buy, and we were intending on buying two of the three as to upgrade, our aged galaxy S fives, which have signal issues sound issues text issues, a lot of issues. It's five years old go figure, so. We've talked ad nauseam about phones on this podcast over the last three years. But they're being said, I finally pulled the trigger on it, mostly because I'd been driving my wife crazy about it for the last year and wanting to pixel three. And then that's just still too far out of her price range, the pixel three a XL still out of our price range originally. Why we were going to get the three was because they had to deal at best buy for two ninety nine activated. But what they don't tell you is. When you go in there, there's a lot of fine print that totally screw that entire number up dealing with you get it for two ninety nine. Activated is through sprint. If you go to do it through Verizon or you go do it through AT and T three forty nine ninety nine plus your your sim card package and in whatnot. And then they were supposed to give you like a hundred dollars gift card and smother different various free things. So none of it actually took place. And so it kinda was frustrating and they didn't have the three a on top of it. So we're gonna do three. Excel while that bumps in another ninety bucks or eighty bucks. And so we went to go do that. And then certain other stipulations were under way that you could not use, or get some of the freebies, one hundred dollars off or something of that nature and. So we opted to pass on it, and we were going to order them online. And when they were going to come in was when we were going to be in Colorado, and so, again, opted, not to do it. So fast forward, a few days later, I ordered, the three X L through best buy in, it's like two day delivery. So they give you the hundred dollar best buy gift card, which is better than the Google which expires. And it's an e gift card so they send it to you after they ship your phone, or your device. And so I'm not I'm still waiting. No mind you this Monday. They're saying it's supposed to be here tomorrow. We'll see. And. The, the activator send you the, the voucher to get the hundred dollars off. So what the plan is, is to order the three a for my wife using the hundred dollar thing if it works. And so. We'll see how that goes. I don't know she may end up just using my galaxy S five which works infinitely better than hers at this point. Gets a lotta junk on it. She uses it when she cooks for. Lengthy ingredients and the instructions and everything else. So it gets used for a lot of things, and it's been dropped and so, yeah, her phone is in worse. We're than mine and. So I'm going to have the three X L, the three eight XL and get to use it once I set it up after I get it to be the maps, and do everything else while we're in Colorado. So. That's the plan. And the whole thing was is, we wanted an unlocked phone because if we have to switch services from, you know, AT and T, two varieties into, you know, sprint or whomever. It may be that to get a better signal. We wanted to have phones that were not tied to carrier so that we could take them wherever we want, and we own them. So the ends justify the means in the cost on that. So. We get that done. And you know, we've we've been packing stuff. I finally figured out a place to sell my Star Wars cards for it. Which, by the way, I didn't get diddly squat for. I did manage to sell them along with, like a handful of comics and some. Old sports cards for around. For around forty bucks. And. The. The, the whole thing with it. You know, it's, it's just the, the phone thing it's just it's been crazy. So anyways. As we've been going through. Yeah. I know. I just jumped in a weird tangent here. Get distracted by text message. No. As far as the, the trading cards, the Star Wars Kurds are concerned. I knew it was gonna take a massive hit on them because they're not worth anything, especially because in the guy kind of explained that when decipher went belly up and lost the. The license to the Star Wars collectible card game that all of the cards because it went to another company, they produced the Star Wars Episode one, two, three cards, which are infinitely worth more and more rare than the other sets. And so he was like, you know, it's, it's just kind of how it is. And so I just took it because I didn't want them getting thrown away, but I didn't want them taking up space anymore. And. So, yeah, that was the end of that. So I literally have like barely anything left as far as collectibles are concerned, but it doesn't, honestly bother me all that much. But at my content, I've gone digital for a lot of like a lot of things that his changed in, and honestly, I don't even consume all that much video games or television anymore. But it's it's a little a little crazy. Just a whole, like I just don't even collect all that much of anything anymore. I don't watch a lotta TV anymore. Don't play video games anymore. Just I don't really have time, which is there's I looked at it, too, and the amount of hours, I have dumped in. Like I mean, I haven't played this in a couple of years, but, like battlefield four dumped two hundred ninety five hours. Into the game. And two hundred ninety five hours. You know divided by you know, twenty four hours I played for twelve point two nine days of my entire life straight of that game. And although it doesn't seem like much in the grand scheme of things, like I literally played a lot when there were other constructive things that could have been doing on some degrees. And so it's. It's been eye-opening having things change over the last year. And. I'm having to kind of refocus and. Kind of re. I don't know to, to some level I'm having to. Reevaluate some of how I spend my time. And so it's, it's been difficult to. Kind of figured that out. Which is also why it's been very difficult to. Have the. The podcast recorded I've been trying to get to this. Like, honestly, it's been driving me nuts. My, my wife's like you ain't got time for that right now. Lay gots to go get ready for move. And, and I'm like, I this is this is what I do. I like to do this. So, yeah, my goal is when we move I want to. Record. While driving on the road, not light, literally while I'm driving. But while I'm traveling. So that it can have kind of that live conversation, like, maybe have a livestream have a conversation. And. Yeah. It's I've really been wanting to. Do something different. And I feel like this will give me that opportunity. Which is kinda cool. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna do some video content. I'm gonna do. You know. Do more of the random podcasting? Funny. Sorry, I just got notification. My order was shipped. And I've gotten my gift card, so Mary might beginning her phone sooner than we thought so anyways. Yeah. So and then also with the whole house thing trying to sell the house and we've got showings. It's. It's been. Not ideal because we've had to, like, we're, we're dealing with we're having we had ordered windows prior to this, even though is unemployed, because my son almost chopped, his fingers off by dropping a window on his hand in February, and so we ordered them and March, and before I got noticed that I was getting a job on a state. And so now we're we're having that. And then our water heater was leaking. And so now Wednesday, get to replace that. Well, it's actually we bought it. We just haven't gotten it. Yet. So yeah, I'm. It's, it's a little overwhelming like the whole process of moving. I honestly cannot stand the process of it, but it's, it's gonna be great once all of a sudden done. I am really looking forward to. Something different in the change. And. To be honest to have more of a conversational podcast more than the be reporting on, on news constantly. I'm not sure how much of all of this resonates with everybody, but assure hope it's not boring. I've, I've got this whole, like idea things like the nostalgia of opening up your, your stuff over the years in seeing what's there. Is totally eye-opening and different. Yes, we hear you cat. We hear you loud and clear. You'll voice is so clear. But anyways the. Digging out, like I saw comics? I couldn't remember I had I found toys, I didn't remember ahead. I had to reshuffle things to fit things different totes. Because, again, some of that I decided to keep some of it not mostly, like I have a couple of creations, I'd done, I have, like a enterprise, a that I'm keeping which has been a staple of my desk for some time. Actually about ten twelve years at this point. So it's not going anywhere. But it's been it's been interesting. And so I've. Really been taking a look at everything that I've collected or that I would want to have. But that being said, now that I've just blown out your ear holes. I. I'm not really sure where else to take this particular episode. This is kind of more or less. An update of how things are going like. You know, we've had Tf on Mike have, you know, literally brain surgery and his brain drained of, of liquid on it during this time, I've had a lot of articles, I've written prepping for a move. Know new concepts of programming, you know, for for log series like I'm gonna start doing stuff like when I go out to Colorado for the first time and then following it. So it's, it's just been just been interesting. So, yeah, I it's. It's, it's it's been a wild ride this past year. That's for sure. The fun part is I did get to go work for my ex employer recently. And I keep getting calls or notifications to talk to them, because they've needed my help for variety of things, which goes to show you, I don't burn bridges. I didn't I didn't I left amicably like you wouldn't believe. At any of the jobs granted the, the blaze when I left there, they, I mean, it was amicable but they, you know, I've, I've never been contacted since my severance run out for that. And. The, the second job health food store. It's. It's been fun because I set up all the technology and all the point of sale so in the website, so they need my help. Whenever it comes to any of that even though the guy somehow on money after I was unemployed to hire another marketing, and I t- person, which is hilarious to me. But there's also friends with his son so that goes to show you, you know. Sometimes things don't work out in your favor, and that, but it did end up working out because I was blessed with a new opportunity, we're all of the doors surrounding it. We're closed other than this one opportunity. So it's, it's been awesome to have this. Come my way. So, although I have to move and things do have to change it. It's, it's going to be great. I did see some article the other day somebody had posted about. Every gaming youtuber in parents seems to be excited about the US government getting involved with Lou boxes and gaming. And he says the way I see it gaming publishers, and developers should be able to monetize games as they see fit. Self-control people just don't buy them. And it's it that I feel is true. He says the way I see it is, if you do not like the system of loot boxes in the games, you play the best way to show the gaming industry that you don't like it. It's not spend a dime on them, speak with your wallet and don't get your government involved with our entertainment. And if it's the children that the parents are truly concerned about how about this be a parent and monitor what your kids purchase with your credit card. Don't be lazy parent claim that your kid is gambling getting government involved. And I totally agree. That's why I essentially do not play any games. That require a loot box or or have since quit playing them over time because. I used to be one of those people that got grasped into that whole thing. And ultimately, it's virtual money. It's money, real money going to virtual causes and I it was like throwing money at something that probably not gonna be around forever. And that's kind of how I saw it, it wasn't like he just by the game, and you get everything, and it's there it's, it's, you know, oh, we're going to one up yet. Oh, we're gonna wind up you and it really, really is gambling. I mean it is. But, you know, you're, you're taking that chance to try and get something better. I mean they do give you something. It's just not what you want. But yeah, I don't know. So. And then it's, it's kind of funny, you know, as far as old tech is concerned, like I have an older, computer and I really want to upgrade it, but it's not really a high priority because it still works. The phone thing is, is more of a high priority at this point, but I do have my portable computer in the other room and funny enough, I'm not too. Sure, how many are interested in plasma TV's, I have a fifty inch Samsung plasma that I'm thinking about selling because I'm not sure if it's gonna make it in the move, I'd prefer just to off it before and they're just by. Oh, TV later on down the road. If I need to. But yeah, I mean. I'm not really sure if it's going to last the move. So, but yeah, I mean there's like I said a lot going on. Lot to stay on top of. So anyways guys, thanks for listening. Thank you for paying attention tuning into this update episode where I've kind of rambled and given latest perspectives on things. I'll have some more kind of techy stuff and conversation pieces and things to consider in the next episode of altered geek which I'm hoping it should be back on a regular schedule. But. Don't quote me on it. So until next time get altered Gigi with y'all. Geeks? 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Altered Geek - 326 - Podcasting, AI Deepfake Tech, and Twitter

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Altered Geek - 326 - Podcasting, AI Deepfake Tech, and Twitter

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And so we're, we're going to be driving from flushing Michigan. Which is close to Flint for anyone enquiring on that to Loveland Colorado, and we're guesstimates because we're going to pretty much we're going to pack the truck on Friday, actually prior to this episode releasing. Although if you're on like apple podcasts, or any of the streaming platforms other than the websites that it gets published too. You'll hear it probably before that. But anyways, that being said, we're going to be packing the truck some friends from church and everything will be helping us pack it out. We've got a good portion of the house prepacked already in the garage the upstairs living room, and our Michigan sun room. And we're going to be tearing apart furniture today tomorrow, which is Wednesday and Thursday and. Going from there to moving it down into the lower room. So, basically everything will be in three rooms, and that's how the truck will get loaded. Going to be driving at twenty six foot Penske and. When when you say Penske people are like, don't you mean like a U haul? Well, the difference between a Penske U-Haul, and I really wasn't sure prior, but not only is cheaper for Penske, but Penske's are a diesel truck whereas you hall is a. Unleaded gas which it's kind of a wash because depending on what gas station it is depends on which one is higher price wise on fuel. So that's not a big difference with the differences is you haul gives you a twenty six truck. But what they don't tell you is three feet of it is not fully usable because three feet of it are. Over the front of the cab, and what that means is, is you lose about five feet of storage space below that that area. That could be utilized for furniture for boxes for majority of other things. Now again, it it's for supposedly your things that are breakable on in things. You don't want slashed around my gripe with it, though, is that Netherlands, a difficult to get on top of, but unless you have things tall enough to prevent those from flying out, while you're driving those things are going to move and get damaged. So I would much rather have everything subcompact together evenly across the bottom of the floor with the same amount of space used. And then the other gripe, I have with U-Haul is they have wheel wells in the back, Penske's do not. So again, it's just more space in more flat space that you get in a Penske in. So that's the reason why we chose that I'm hoping there's like an auxiliary port in the radio for the drive because my wife will be driving one of our kids and one or two of the animals. In our equinoxes, and they have USB port with preloaded flash drives for the car for listening. And I am hoping there's a. Zillah report in the vehicle because if not it's going to be a long drive because I have my ipod loaded up with podcasts and episodes of like the program that I'll be working on his discovery mountain, which is a children's audio program with the Christian values and everything and. It's very well done very well orchestrated it's audio play. It's li- listening to old time radio, you can all the sound effects you get the music. Everything's choreographed with a composer for music. And it's really great. I got to voice a small five liner in the season nine mini episode that we recorded while I was in studio visiting. The, the location in Loveland, Colorado and. So I got to the, the gas station, attendant, which was pretty much just my voice here, like it really wasn't anything special. Although that was funny because a couple of the inflections in it. It. He asked me to add some kind of ad-lib a little bit. And as most of, you know, some of my and living is a little bit left to be desired. So what happened is he asked me to slow it down because I was trying to say blue birdie, which is the name of their to have when Bieber airplane. And I couldn't say it kept saying, bugler eighty and it was coming out horribly wrong. And so what I did is I slowed way down. So I could say blue birdie now granted I'm not in front of the microphone there. So it's a little bit easier for me to say. Now. Plus I botched it something terrible. While I was there to the point, I was going to the other actors mixed up, but it was pretty much a three person seen throughout that. That shot between me and two other people. So as a lot of fun being in a recording booth with other people as opposed to recording some lines in front of my computer on my desk and. Emailing them and not knowing how it's going to sound in terms of the other actors. So it, it very much allows you to play off of other people. Which I think is, is a bonus that, that you get to collaborate, and in it just it just makes for a more natural read so a lot of their. Recording process for this is they if they have a scene with certain people, they will coordinate scheduling for a week or two block, and all of these people that have to record lines together, so they can get multiple takes of these lines, and then just kind of fished for, for the good stuff between all of it. So it's really well done. I'm I'm really blown away by how well. It comes out in my boys listen to it is sharply as they do television. Now granted they're thinking instead of blindly staring. Which is a good thing. And. So I am very much excited. They've kind of insinuated that I might be getting anywhere from, like two to three or more new character roles in upcoming season's. So I'm very, very excited. And in hoping that. I do get to do that. It's a lot of fun. So. In other news, we've had a couple of weeks to use our Google pixel three a phones. And I have to say, I'm pretty blown away by how well, these work. Now granted there are some features I miss from my galaxy S five some of those being. I'm not exactly sure how to do this yet. I'm still kind of learning it or if there's different app variations. The. Galaxy as five allows you to. Schedule text messages. Which I'd yet to figure out how to do on my pixel. They say you can do it through the calendar. But to be honest. I don't really wanna mess with that, if it's not in the text software. I don't really care. I do like that, when you turn off it allows you to disable notifications instead of having to hack the programs in the settings it, there's a settings notifications bar that pops up when you get notifications and you can go in. Or you can even go into the settings. And there's a absent notifications page, it'll say you're recently opened apps, and you can go to the notifications part, and you can turn off the notification dots, that show, whether you have things you can go to the app notifications area in there and turn off. So let dealing what you can't turn off our your messages text messages in your phone. So, like, if I don't want, let's say. Pay pal? Facebook messenger. Linked in which obviously don't really need much anymore. Net flicks or just really any of those type apps to pop up, you can turn them off with just a tap. And then they're gone. There's no like there's no oh delay it for eighteen hours or twenty four hours and get bombarded again, they go away, which I love that you can do that. Another thing that, that I like is, there's a feature that, that when you slide over, you get like your Google news updates so, basically, anything that you would typically search for is gonna show up there. So. So for me, it was like cell phones. There's, you know different things with streaming services. There's tech updates there's. You know, just. Other like technology news and in show news, and, and everything else. So it's really cool. What would they have now in there? Then being said there's, there's a couple of things that, that are pretty interesting that I'm not fond of, like how you make folders on this thing. There's sometimes where they don't want to pair with a folder, and it will make the icons run around the screen, and then eventually, you'll get it in there, which I found to be a little bit irritating when I was going to dump a bunch icons. No granted, I don't have nearly as many as I did on my old phone, and it also allows you to, to shrink, you're, you're taxed in your view down smaller, which I someone that needs glasses to see you probably have a hard time 'cause compared to my galaxy S five like everything's bigger on. That's five. On the screen whereas my pixel everything smaller, but I preferred it that way the other another nice thing is when you're taking photos. On the pixel, because they allow you to have them. They allow you to condense, the file size in store the my Google photos. So at essentially backs up your phone constantly when you plug it in I do love that feature. Plus, there were instances where because this is my first introduction, the US, D C, which is the reversible plug that you can use any which way you feel like I'd never dealt with that before. And so trying to transfer those from one phone to the other was a Royal pain, although I didn't know you could turn on NFC and do that. So I'm learning new things with my technology has I go. But I did love something else. There was an adapter that, that came on them that allowed you to plug in your old phone to your new phone when you're setting it up, and it will copy all your settings your apps. Your, your wifi locations you're. Your browser. Everything your photos and you in your text messages. And you can select what you don't want to go over to the new device, and I selected pretty much everything because I the intent was to get off the phone. I'm still using the old phone for basic tablet, purposes around my house. And in until I get certain apps acclimated on the new phone because I haven't used them yet sometimes it's easier just to go to the other one. When I need it, right. That moment, and then I eventually added to the new one so it's been really, really cool messing with that technology. So I noticed something the other day and I was going on Twitter and I, 'cause I hang out on their my wife's kind of jumped on board. The Twitter bandwagon doesn't really understand it. So she's trying to figure it out. And. Yeah. It's. It's, it's kind of fun trying to teach her. But at the same time, it's not his she doesn't really understand any of it. And, and she doesn't get that. It's more of a conversation piece, because it's not really like Facebook. And she's bene- Facebook user in so and I'm not I, I the use Facebook. I don't like Facebook. It's kind of like apple podcasts, or I tunes I use it because I have to. But I don't like it. Like my ipod. If there was another way, I could dump files on it and not have to deal with tunes not connecting half the time I would use that. And I don't like apples plethora of podcasting oriented hardware-software devices, I can use. I don't mind their computers so much because they're usable, and they other than a small difference in interface. Compared between windows ten and OS X, it's not really that much different to get acclimated, especially anymore. Like back in the day when you use windows, ninety five or three point eleven or ninety eight X P seven there were major differences, but with ten, it's not that much different. I mean, it is still windows, but it's still different. But very similar. I know it's very contradicting. But yeah, one of my friends on, on Twitter for some reason he got his account suspended and a mighty. He's got like fifty two hundred dollars. So he's a little bit higher than me. I'm at thirty eight hundred kind of borderline they're trying to get above it. But he. For whatever reason they blocked his account or suspended. It's no rhyme, or reason is far as I know he doesn't post politically, so I don't I mean, I, I don't know. But I know that, that can trigger some people, and they, they can cause you to get band, or, or whatever, and Twitter's, of course, useless, when you need to get a hold of them and find out information. Yeah. Because when you go to his. Like you can still click on annual show his name and his information. And, and. I won't let you follow it. It's got them removed. It's got no followers. Like it's just. Yeah. I don't understand. Twitter, you know, and it doing that. Because they don't explain how we're why it happened or how to fix it. And he's filed appeals to get redone, and they don't respond. And yeah. So it's, it's really weird how they they play that game with things, especially when some people have their accounts built up in, they got so much content tied to it in, then you can't use it anymore. Looks like people have still been tagging him for weeks, but he's not been able to log in so it's yeah. Twitter's kind of a weird beast in that sense. It's like when you work in the media, and you should be verified, and they don't. But they'll, they'll, you know, and you could have more followers than somebody else. And it's it's again it's, it's really strange. So in other bit of technology that kind of piqued, my interest is, there is a new AI that adobe concocted that can detect and reverse manipulated images. Zoellick. They were showing for instance, like a face or photo or video that you're, you're looking at. They wanna know if it's real or fake, and the creators of Photoshop. Are coming out with tools that can help you spot in altered face. So letting you, you know, see what the original image likely looked like, and it says, researchers with adobe and university of California Berkeley recently developed in AI program that recognizes when Photoshop space aware liquefy tool is used a tool that can be used to alter facial expressions. Now I wonder if that works when you're using something that's not adobe Centric. So it'll be interesting to see how that pans out. But it says. Again, that they may soon have this technology. It says the team training con convoluted neuro network CNN which I would think that would be a copyright issue right there a form of a I by feeding the computer sets of images. One, original in one altered using the data the researchers trained the software to recognize win the faces in the photographer were manipulated. The software looks for several different cues from warping artifacts to the layout of the face while the untrained person could spot the fake fifty three percent of the time. The software reaches rates is high as ninety nine percent accurate in picking out the fake photo. But the software could also go on step further, and making rough estimate of what the original image looked like likely reverse engineering, the image based on the different artifacts and signals that manipulation was used in the first place. Adobe says the researchers were surprised at how accurately. The software could estimate what the original image looked like now the funny thing about this is. It's, it's basing on the adobe software. It doesn't account for the fact that, for instance, if I were to say copy, the picture like flatten, all the wears copied the picture to a new file and save it. As in other file format say, for instance, if this was a PNG, or a PS, Steve saved is Jay peg, it doesn't say if that will make a difference or not, because it shouldn't tell the difference if it's translated in a different way. So, for instance, if you photo manipulated something printed, it scanned it, and then used it, you couldn't tell that it was manipulated in the first place. So I'm wondering if this works with digital versions. So like, if you're taking it from one program to another and flattening putting in a new file or printing it as a PDF, and then doing a screen shot of it. If you would be able to you know, as far as images are concerned video would be able to pick up much easier because there's only really three games in that. And that's like final cut adobe and avid. So I don't know that could be an interesting topic of whether because I watched a Bill hater video. Where he's talking on one of the like Jimmy Kimmel or some other late show. And the only reason I watched it was because they showed as he does his impressions of Arnold Schwarzenegger. The this guy had manipulated. The video using a I two more Arnold face on Bill heaters body while he's doing the Arnold impression. So whenever he goes back to Bill Hader, his face changes back to him. But when he goes to Arnold, it morphs slowly into, like transitionally into Arnold, and then it just looks like Arnold on a skinny body. It was really creepy looking to be honest, and I it was kind of a little weirded. I'll watching it but at the same time it was really cool watching the impression change as it went along. And. It's a again, it was the, the deep fake, you know, I saw it on, on amber, max Twitter, it, it was very creepy. But it's a warning. You know, basically that. If somebody can do your voice, or take it, and they can make you pretty much say anything. You know they they have. It's, you know, it's like ten seconds into the video in his face changes that it was so subtle, that you didn't really notice, you know, until it happened. And yeah, I mean it was it was just really weird. So again, it's, it's kind of this weird issue of having to deal with this in the future of watching more fake content come out in kind of defending against it because people can manipulate mislead on just about anything in this day and age, especially with impressionists. You know, somebody taking something out of context in in creating a new. Fake video and Samsung's, even got new AI software mix generating fake videos and things. So. I'm thinking that, though, Aventura, make it. So you cannot do that, because I know like somebody was using Snapchat. To think of John Bailey was using Snapchat to overlay his face with another face. Like, for instance, if he did the voice of the joker or his impression of the joker. And he would put the jokers face over top of his would look like the joker saying these things granted it wasn't very. Fluid or smooth as the Bill hater a video. But they did remove that feature from Snapchat, as far as I know because he said, he couldn't use it anymore, and he was looking for alternatives. But I think that it's kind of an interesting thing that they're, they're kind of going in that direction and they're trying to kind of. Kind of prevent it from happening, and it's really weird. So anyways. Yeah. That's, that's some of the stuff. I've been kind of checking out lately. I I've been looking at that, you know, there's there's new. I'm looking at building a new computer, so I've been using this website called PC per picker. Which allows you to see compatibilities or issues, and you can kind of build your, your system, and it tells you where you can get the parts of the cheapest from where it's like, if it's, you know, like a Intel core, I five ninety six hundred K three point seven gigahertz six core processor. You can get free shipping from WalMart, or you can get like a thermal take. CPU cooler from Amazon. That's my cat throwing up in the background. You're kidding. She's thirteen she's old. Oh, go to trickle honor, stop grand. Even that. Sounds awesome on the podcast. So anyways, then they have like a g skill sixteen gigabyte DDR four to twenty six or twenty six sixty six memory says free shipping, new eggs. So like you can kind of, and it shows you like your total, and you can kind of price it out. Another thing I was trying to do is go on new egg, and in get it through their kind of price it out. Still trying to figure out motherboards and something that I want that's going to be kind of future proved, but it's going to have all the features. I want. I'm kind of I'm kind of. One of those people that. More USB ports, but I don't want, like a ton of USB two point L, because everything's going three point zero and three point one and three point two and USCC. So I want, I knew and have the USB see. Plug in the back or a jumper in the front, a granted. My case is just as old as my processor and hardware, which is about seven years old now. Still runs great for the most part. But there's, I've noticed as things have gotten a little bit more processor intensive it's made it difficult to use certain parts. Like it takes a while to load some things up, and I've got a solid state hard-driving twelve gigs of ram. It's just the processor's not keeping up anymore. Which is really sad because I think it started happening around the time, chrome and windows, ten updated so country within the same lake to expand and my computer star running like garbage afterward. So I'm pretty sure it happened around then kinda forced, you know, hey, you're going to get new hardware, because your computer sucks. It runs. Fine. Once it's up and usually I put it to sleep. So I don't have to deal with that. But it's it's been like I said an issue and so I'm looking at getting a new motherboard new processor, new ram, I'll still be able to use my old video card, which funny enough, although it's old and it doesn't have like the VR technology and some of the three D technology built into it. It's still a two gigabyte card. And if you were going to buy it new, it's still hundred forty dollars in. It's probably like four or five years old. So it's, it's still good card, and I'm not planning on upgrading it. My I have hard drives I have a Blu Ray burner. I have an FD card reader, so a lot of it'll be able to back together into my new machine to two monitors. So I'm kind of trying to build into the new one the ability to have a third monitor if I need one because I have one as Zeus wide-screen PS monitor and I have a Sony squared off monitor numb, the zoos is a twenty seven inch wide screen. My Sony is a twenty one inch squared monitor which a used primarily for like, when I'm recording or editing photos. I use that monitor for that. Or if I have to have notes up somewhere, I'll use it. I use my main screen for when I'm in a program, that's intensive or I'm in something that I needed to be color, accurate. Now granted my Sony's color accurate, too. But there's a slight difference. I use it for video editing. I use it for some of the larger images I have to deal with. So again, I use it. I love having two monitors. I would not mind having a third one at all, but it just kind of depends. And so, yeah, I the plan is would be able to cobble together a brand new system, and I'm trying to do it for under five hundred dollars, which is very difficult when you want a core, I five six core, processor and a motherboard because between those two, you're almost there and the memory like, I don't have to get a high end I'm gonna probably going to get a g skill. Or crucial. Brandin ones those and then kind of go from there. I'm planning on getting another like hard-drive like maybe a Seagate like two or four gigabyte or Western Digital somewhere in there. I'm trying to spend under Blake eighty bucks. For another hard drive. Because again, the, the motherboard processor and ram are going to eat up the majority of the cash that I'm planning on setting aside for this. And the other thing I kind of wonder about, and I'll have to inquire to this to some, some people that do this often is, I'm wondering if I'm going to have to reinstall windows, or if it will auto detect plugging it into the new hardware, because windows has got more plug and play not like as stingy on the hardware. I'm wondering if it'll take a minute, and it'll just reconfigure or if it's gonna pose a problem going to have to reinstall. So in that boat, I would have to get like another. I would probably get another SSD hard-right first, and then kind of work, my way, in reinstall that way. I know very, very tech jargon, e in this episode in kind of a lot of different things. But yeah. So you'll notice I'm not talking pop culture anymore. And there's, there's a couple of reasons for that one, I honestly, just don't care all that much anymore. And that's kind of another thing where this is altered geek, moment, altering, my geek, them, I'm getting more into the production side of things. So it's a little bit interesting doing that because I I've always been interested in getting more involved with it aside from what I've already done in the past and. So I'm very, I've always been tech oriented, I'm, I'm going to be taking up the reins writing, again for commando dot com. And then I should be starting writing for life, wire dot com as well for consumer electronics. So that'll be a little bit. Nice padding. For anything extra that, that comes our way, or for saving for a new house sense housing is exorbitantly more high priced out. In Colorado, as opposed to Michigan, because Michigan is so poor. We can't afford any of it. So. Like I said, it's going to be an interesting experience. So I'm going to be probably streaming at certain points or not one driving, of course because I'm going to be driving in twenty six foot truck with one of my children. So I may have a dash Cam recording. Conversation, or, you know, something, and the we'll have, like some kind of a video put together. I'll probably post them late at night every day while we're, we're doing anything to do with the drive. So. Yeah. So anyways, I think that's about it on this altar geeks. So I hope you guys enjoyed this update's sorry. It's a little shorter. Granted, it's not quite that short. And we're at thirty six minutes, roughly. But yeah, I I'm very excited for for other changes in, in kind of showing what's going on. Where we rent a duplex three bedroom? Full basements can have an upstairs so connected via garage, not by house to house. So that'll be nice. I'm gonna have to figure out how I'm going to record with the new setup and having to send up my computer and building new desk or something. 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Waterbeds & Amish Evil

Bad In The Boondocks

45:30 min | 1 year ago

Waterbeds & Amish Evil

"Own today's episode. We discussed joshua phillips and ed <unk> gingrich. This is bad in the boondocks baby <hes> man orange <music> <music> and welcome to banda boondocks always. I'm wanting host staff and i'm jay ru and as always. We're glad that you're here. Yes we are. We're very glad for everybody that has given us a review in the past week. We've gotten some really super ones especially one one said that jerus- cutler giggle thanks thanks but if you have at pleased do go and rate and review us yeah definitely also remember we are now have premium membership only episodes on him. Leah lia that app is one that i've always used to listen to podcasts but it's a lot easier than patriot fan or any of that but you'll also get a better deal go into him laya and becoming a member there for ninety nine a month. You'll get a mini episode every three of the week and you will get a full episode every month. 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He don't miss any episodes because sometimes we do avenue episode in the middle of the week. Sometimes yeah and you don't want to miss anything. Exactly don't miss only for the special times mm-hmm. God get outta here dude all right. I do believe that all of that business is out of the way and i do believe that it is killer jerus- time to go via yeah yeah it is sure is let me tell you a day before i get into it. I'm going to tell you where i got my stuff from. All my information information is up. Thawra of places got my a sources from allocation dot com and mir a thing has a magazine maybe and then <hes> watch a few videos on youtube and also got information from news for jacks dot com so there you go and my own stories going to be on joshua phillips but anyways. Let's get into it. Where's asleep from. Are you better towel. Get into that you think he no your kids all too well until they do something shocking that you never ever believed. They were capable of doing then. You're asking yourself who is my kid. Where did i go wrong or what's wrong with my little josh have i contributed to math child sudden delinquency or maybe just a mistake hopefully is just a mistake kids can seem as normal normal playful as they can be and still have that hidden intent to kill deep inside them or maybe just on the surface waiting to come out how shock must melissa phillips in josh and steve phillips must have been to find out that they are child. Joshua phillips was was a murderer joshua. Earl patrick phillips was born in jacksonville florida more seventeenth nineteen eighty four of course source florida yeah. He seemed like any other normal boy except for his fear of his father his father there steve phillips was very dominant in the household and we get violent with his wife and son people knew people that knew you. Him said he did have very violent temper. You may have actually contributed to josh's. Josh was intent to kill you was terrified terrified of his father and said he witnesses father smashing through a wall with his fist when he walked into his parents bedroom of course his father was awesome drug addict and alcoholic which probably contributed to his violent rage so to say that steve was a caring loving parent would just be a major lie this type of behavior in apparent off feel. I would definitely contribute to acts of the violence in a child mattie cliff clifton. She disappeared november third nineteen ninety eight at around five o'clock clock p._m. Nobody understood what could have happened to her. The police's i suspect was a neighbor who was arrested fifteen to twenty years. There's earlier for sexual battery cases but the charges were dropped. How will she. I'll get into them. I'll i'd say it later. Luckily he did provide an alibi for the time of her disappearance because he failed the lie detector test and extend search was underway for mattie but was called off the community and all the volunteers that assisted in the search decided to keep on on searching and were determined to find matty of course came up with nothing in the ward though award that was once fifty two thousand dollars double two hundred thousand dollars and what year was the night nineteen then the mommies nineteen ninety eight so da so-so longer look still twice on the same unlock it. It really doesn't one of the volunteers that assist in the search was to fill f._b._i. B._i. became involved in the case and the community decided to put up fliers all around town hoping someone know where she was is. This came such large case that tv series america's most wanted put the story on their t._v. Show finding finally the search ended when joshua's mother started to smell something coming from joshua's bid while she was cleaning leaning his room unsure of what it was she went to investigate because his waterbed had also been leaking water. He's still had a war band. She found the body of poor maddie clifton. It was hidden then in the base of the waterman now. Can you imagine finding a body your child's room. That had been missing all this time time. Do you go to authorities or do you do what some people do and help your child cover up the crime they had committed l. No call nine one and say child. Well has a damn body in mile and it stinks and burr. She's cleaning the shit up again yeah as soon as she found her lifeless body so long i'm barbara was the dad still living with him at this up so they never got a divorce fourfirms thing like that while made for him to be so scared of his father seems like his father would probably get a little bit mad if he killed someone and put it in his room. Then we'll wait till finish the story. Can you can ask questions like the heck no questions yeah because then i'll answer them all get i'll just be no you say stuff but i'm just saying i will get to that okay. She ran outside across the road where the police were told them the whore she had found joshua the horror of or rick site. I thought i'd miss him. No joshua was thin arrested west while he was at school inhaled maximum security yet his first court appearance and the evidence was damning. Did you say how old he wasn't. Are you going to get to that hushed. I'll get into that lakes. Tell me what i don't want to put it in here at a specific spot for purpose purpose k. not really for a purpose but <hes> it's really not that funny of a story i mean she was found in his room and the cause of death was stabbing and beating with a baseball bat. Let's just say let's just give him the benefit of the doubt and say maybe his father may have done on this and tried to cover it up a placing her in his waterbed but that just wasn't the case. Joshua told everything he it done. Nettie came over those parents. Were not home to come and play with. We'll always joshua i will get into this was not a usual current because his parents never allow friends is over while they were not home so his friends were allowed to come over just not while they were home in this not too much to ask but anyways ways. She came over wanting to play baseball. They're both were playing and when mattie pitched the ball. Joshua hit it when the ball flew fast asked off the bat. It went straight to matty's i thank you. Thanks a lot when i think this is bullshit. I think that it that actually happened. I don't i do. I need to know how he is and then out. I think that actually happened. He panicked not knowing in what to do when she began to bleed scream and cry so he goes and stuff during the bed the torture do all he could think because of that his his father find out. Let's put it there bobby that it decompose. He knew his father would be wholesome. Joshua hitter over the hill with the baseball bat to keep her quiet in caring mattis body to to his room where he started to strangle so her with a telephone cord of no <hes> this not start with baseball hidden her anyways while all this was going on. Not one person could hear her scream at the top of her lungs. Even if it was for ten seconds not one person heard anything if one person what if heard the hen they cove point of police to the vicinity of where the screens were coming coming from. He strangled her for a shocking fifteen minutes then hit her in the head again with the baseball. Oh yet hot the body before his father got home so we stuffed or in the base at the bed at the time. Joshua shirow was fourteen and mattie was just eight years old. I think he was getting sexual. Gratification from other when josh was father got home and went to talk to him and enacted like nothing had happened few moments later he went back to his room and heard a moaning sound. Somehow maddy was still alive life joshua through the top of the mattress off the top of the bed and stabbed her eleven times until she was no longer alive. She remains ain't stuffed in this fit for seven days. Joshua acted as though nothing had happened going on searches and still playing with his friends friends until his mother found the body. Josh was story of how he committed the crime match. The autopsy performed on mattie straw took place at polk county florida. There was more than enough evidence divine guilty of first degree murder. He was sentenced to life in prison. You may have gotten the death penalty had he not been under the age of sixteen autopsy that was done. All maddie's body showed no signs of sexual assault although her body was found naked from the waist down back. I think that without being rude to you know family amir victim that he got he got off owner. I'm not saying that he had sex with her but he got enough. He got off on and he he claimed that are closed closed came off. I was driving your body. Thing is bullshit but i don't know i feel also that the father should have gotten in. I'm at something done to him. I mean he did have at least i'm because other family members members knew about his abusive behavior and stuff like that and no one said anything really charging them in. Nobody all all right. Let us the thing nobody turned him in but <hes> i think that he felt like <hes> the father other. Would maybe beat him. If found that mattie came over while they weren't home and she got hurt understand that but she she was her she was dead so i'm thinking if he hurt she because she's hurt. He'd probably go to worse if she's dead on allow. Maybe use thinking otter stand that he's only fourteen years. Maybe someone with a core for for fifteen minutes stabbing them having having to hide her body his mind was not a lens not dislike hot in in the woods or in gaul which taken apart your bed and plume finnair in a novel even how that will work. I don't either i. I really don't have to see to bed. I'm guessing like lata okay. I will say this. There's a lot of old coming in the back. There is a lot of old timey did long bobo waterbeds. They i would have liked to speak would thing around them yet. That's what it was and so under the a little bit of probably the water sort of took the imprint of have space for the bed to kind of expand. Yes oh maybe the water sort of to imprint brought of the body so it didn't look like much will steve phillips. Joshua phillips father he was killed in a car crash in two thousand in this happened in nineteen ninety eight so shortly after the trawl maddie clifton parents divorced after twenty five years marriage on november seventeenth two thousand seventeen a tree trial was underway and he was against in still life but guess what it this time he was eligible for parole in twenty twenty three god. It seems like the future lord's really say it. It seems like after tweeting the four year two thousand twenty three that's in by the freaking future will it is the future yet is where flying cars and inquest doubt it. I'm they do have some but it's not like where you can just drive around the agate once told they would have they would have to change up the roads the the approach at the car for foreign not flying like that but hovering it will it'll be hove ron. How about jetsons type thing gosh some on ice by your own despite your own little jeter something they were helicopter messing better small hill cop. Maybe i will now the i'm gonna basically basically read words and this is from jessica clifton which was mattie sister that she over younger. She was odor okay. She was eleven at the tom. This took place and basically she's talking about the retrial this isn't she's these were this in two thousand seven a little bit hard though hell in the s._e._c. They were living in a like a housing development. It seems seems like that yeah how no one noticed or heard anything. That's what i was saying. How did no one hear anything because i know that whenever our guy i'm whenever you get hit with a frigging road. When you all are now you can hear you talking but i definitely taller y'all screaming because i would always remains down there. I'm you would know about it. I don't understand is not quite sure now. I'm going to read this though <hes> quote quote. She doesn't get the chance to walk on this earth again so why should he. I don't think i would feel safe. I will not feel oh safe at all and i think that this is just worldly consequences. You do something wrong and you pay the price. I miss her very much to think in my mind that we could potentially have to sit through another week process of trying to keep him in prison. Prison is a little overwhelming. My stomach has been hurting all morning. If i can get as many people as i can to say just it's a little prayer my mother and father had been so through so much they don't even understand how much it helps and thus it the story that was kind of book. I have a lot of questions a lot of questions that are gone unanswered. Want like i was saying cow. Nobody heard any of the screaming. I don't or salt or even saw them out there playing baseball you know for like when they're looking like she leans over there. Lillian gated yours ma theory or something she sees not areas. You treat got out of the house. She may have set amish eh proud but she may have not told her parents that oh. I'm going to go play with a friend or something but while a police not i don't know i don't know why he wasn't a suspect whenever he's a friend of hers if ma he wasn't <hes> questioned sooner i guess i could say but i don't know i don't know how no one heard nothing but anyways that's my story and now we are going to the have a promo for bloody murder hi bonnie black and i'm tara sarah and we do bloody murder a weekly true crime podcast that focuses on some of the lesson on crime stories from australia and indeed around the globe where it comedy podcast with dr. kentucky mom but what did series about meta and the people it affects we find humor in some unexpected places but never at the expense of the victims or their families. We've been described as the blue cheese and podcasting addictive stronger than satisfying thinking <music>. I'm not you know you are plotting. Murder is available on your favorite. Put catcher all right and go make sure and check out bloody murder bloody good corny ever okay. Hey now for mine <hes> got. My sources are muir. Mir famous among yep and also jim fisher's book is called <hes> shoot one of the calm. It's called bloodstain not blitstein as crimson stain and also i got from jim fisher alon tim fish lucas he he was like really big on this and it was really hard to find out i got it from also a few news articles put together now <hes> <hes> but it's hard to find a lot of stuff on this guy because because of what it was who it is but i will say that i do know of one other podcast at covered the story and that is the devil that the devil we know yeah so you could listen to them but not to but i did not list via but the odd thing is all the all the hilly really good stories are really hard to find stuff never never mind horley anything on them. In this. It's crazy all right <hes> <hes> the amish what comes to mind when you thank of them maybe geared to know technology simple life horses and buggies beautiful wooden furniture beards isolation murder probably not going on however mental illness reaches out even to the most isolated of individuals even to the amish and sometimes that mental illness left untreated and coupled with other factors actors will that can lead even the purest down a road to darkness and so starts our story of edward gingrich gingrich edward gingrich belonged to the amish religious sect and he is the only member ever convicted of murder. The amish have settlements in twenty two states in america and in these settlements they separate themselves from the modern world they shunned on technology electricity divorce and even modern medicine. One of the states that has amish settlements is pennsylvania definitely yeah and this is where edward moved with his parents in nineteen eighty three. It was in crawford county that they settled. Why is every breaking date around your stupid per nineteen eighty four nineteen eighty one nineteen eighty two this actual murder him until nineteen ninety two steel. I'm this launch off was nineteen eighty-four f c it was in crawford county that they settled in edward was eighteen years old. You know seems like a lot of senior. Killers are relying that was the age for it. Really who was edwards family owned a sawmill and that is where edward was working by june of nineteen eighty five however edward was not very contempt with his amish lifestyle even spoke of his unhappiness to an english which is what the amish call all non amish that he befriended were yes. That's the english were anguish or analyst. Farner than english man was named richard zimmer. He also told simmer that he wanted to leave however leave he did not and in nineteen eighty five edward mitt katie shelter while she was helping to take care of her sister's kids next door to the family sawmill now amish do not date like english around the age of eighteen they do get to mingle and get to know the opposite sex. Are you joking but they do not date after they get no opposite sex then they marry after this period of getting to know one another katie was the daughter of a respected elder of the settlement after a lot of pressure from both families edward proposed marriage to katie on a rainy day which could have been a foreboding of things to come. The couple married in december of nineteen eighty six in the beginning of the marriage. I the two lived in the basement of katie's parents until the home of their own could be built. It was in the spring of nineteen eighty-seven that katie became <unk> pregnant with the couple's first child own dis on september twentieth nineteen eighty-seven candy gave birth to a son which they named danny ooh danny. Oh danny boy while katie was overjoyed effort was not that interested in being a father and he began spending a lot more. Tom tom alone and for the most part he ignored us new family. However katie did not let this keep her down. She figured that this was just a spell he was going through through and it should be known that in the amish community problems at home or kept their what i mean by that is that the novel shbak they do not believe in going and telling others about anything that happens within the media van you not even to your parents or your best friends. I have nothing to do with them. Matters matters of the home or to be dealt with within the home so katie continued doing what she loved to do such as working in the garden and attending church on on and prayed that everything would get better speaking of chart which is a very large part of the amish life edward did not even like this fundamental the middle part of the amish lifestyle now amish do not have church every sunday usually it's every other sunday however income last three hours or more warm yeah when they do have it and it's a very huge thing churches usually held in one of the community members homes and that ah member is given along notice before it's their turn to host her. It's really lie. They are completely shut off the only other community all and it slightly slightly are still in the eighteen hundred it is good god. That's boring that gives the family time to really clean their house gather amp repair with all the food in which they are to provide everyone after church and in is like that and i'm telling you whenever i went to pennsylvania autists us i got lost on my way to where i was supposed to be going in all of a sudden i was almost hitting a buggy 'cause i had stumbled upon amish country and it is i mean they're just everywhere yes but don't they don't talk to you like they. Don't they will answer very shortly because i stopped at a <unk> store to ask one of their stores but they don't mingle with english one of their stores literally just them and like right whole huge air. Yes s. stores everything that is they have their own stores and all that it's really light. They are just separate from everybody is like shockers a normal they have. They have nice hat now. The stores were it was small because it doesn't have any electron crashed register or anything like that and they don't have elect lies. They don't have their houses and stuff very nice very serious but they don't have any kind of air conditioner so they get cool windows. I would die you. Adopt 'cause you go on and on my what okay all right. Y'all the let's get back to edward. It was in july of nineteen. Eighty-eight edwards started to have dizzy spells and headaches. He also began to sleep sleep a lot. This is starting to sound like me exactly like you so. Katie made an appointment for edward with dr surrogate terrail he was there. Amish settlements preferred medic dr merit diagnosed. The edward needed a tow pulling just just what it sounds like a gentle pulling up the toes until they crack issues. Yes and a foot rub afoot room. Yes thus pretty weird. He also gave edward a jar black strap molasses grue- that was to purify the blood this cutting edge diagnosis cost two gingrich's twenty five dollars cutting shockingly however edward did not seem to improve wow on even after yet more visits to the good doctor and more black strap molasses so they have no antibiotics they don't they don't i believe in no nothing a march twenty first nineteen eighty-nine katie gave birth to their second son knows and still edward for the most report ignored his family around this time edward did tell katie that he was not happy. Living the amish lifestyle on december third nineteen eighty nine the the sawmill burned to the ground and of course it was not insured however ever was given permission to build a new sawmill on march thirteenth eighteenth nineteen ninety. Katie gave birth to their daughter mary while something given permission to build a new set of being made to build a after this birth edward refused to sleep with his new wa with his wife because he was scared that she would become pregnant again and that was not something than inward ending any desire for because you know amish. They have like sixteen kids or another. I do not crazy all right. <hes> he now to- katie that he wanted to leave the set in august he met born again. Christian david lindsay in david tried to convert edward edward was not completely opposed to what david was telling telling him such as that edward's wife was evil all this tom it wording katie had been living with the parents but in november of nineteen nineteen ninety-one. They finally moved into their own home as they did. This edwards health began to drastically deteriorate even further his health was not at all improved by the solvent exposure that he was subjected to end a shop so no one can find out what's wrong with them when his mental estate became completely impaired he once again he went to dr to rail this resulted in a shoulder rub. <hes> god do they suck at that right foot manipulation and another jar of black strap. Molasses sneh sounds like the stupidest thing ever after after this visit edwards began howling out loud as well as racing around the living room on all fours. I'm at the they think that just the good old foot rove's is gonna handle problem that pulisic shoulder rogue this time. That's not an dick's anything hours. Okay in march nineteen ninety-two ed or was finally admitted to a mental health institution tom. He was diagnosed with paranoid. Schizophrenia india and given medication roy needed to go to he was then released on april third nineteen ninety-two however he did not take his medication once released bucknell. It was against the amish way. Oh my god his insanity quickly returned with a vengeance seat. That's where the problem like. When you have people that etter was offering robes. Don't help mental illness straw people. They're saying like throughout nineteen ninety ninety two his behavior grew more and more bizarre he was taken back to a doctor and edward said that he thought he had a bad case of liber cancer the answer. I don't know why but that's what he thought he was committed again. For ten days and released things worsen then on march seventeenth seventeenth nineteen ninety-three edward was taken to see a special healer called there so freaking weird he was jacob troyer and he was a forty six chiro amish but this doctor told katie that edward had a mental problem that she needed to take him to the hospital because he said he was afraid of suicide. So at least that daughter did teller katie did not take this man's advice the dead she took edward edward home at this time edward was having insomnia as well as very bad drains when he was he was also suffering from terrible headaches and he had now started to hear voices that were not real the next morning. Edward slept until nine o'clock a._m. Which is weird. Most amish are up and working four four. Yes what what town they get event well with no lives or nothing probably around eight or not god that is crazy. Edward was taken back to dr terrail who this time massage tis scalp and gave him quote liver pills rehearsed this same same day the amish people were celebrating a wedding katie however would not let her husband go because she was afraid of how he might act then at dusk while the three children played on the floor in the kitchen of their house edward just got up and punched his wife in the face while he shouted outed at her. I am the devil katie gail to danny to run and get dan gingrich which was edward's brother he did so while the other two children remained behind when danny reached his uncle's house he told him that daddy isn't will and danny immediately really went to the house. When danny got edwards house edward was now on top of katie and was punching her in the face he he then stood up and he smashed his right foot into her mouth nose al dan did try to stop his brother but then he ran to the nearest house to get more help in the nearest house was an english house and he called nine one one what they couldn't he couldn't get her up. Get him off well. He was a little afraid of him back. At the gingrich house. Things had gone from bad to absolute. Hale edward got up and put on his work boots and again smashed his wife in the face this time crushing her head and causing in her brains to begin using out i'll next he undressed gedi remember. The kids are here for all this yeah after he undressed kate he. I scraped her brains out with his fingers. All manga are discussing. He got a steak knife and he made a seven inch cut in which he removed katie's heart. Oh my goodness that is something he then took out. Katie's lungs he removed her spleen her liver her kidneys her ovaries and her intestines her ovaries and her intestines omer mer. Hey then took all the organs and stacked them in a very neat pile on top of the brain's next to the corpse with those kids are scarred for life. Then edward washed himself off in the sink through the bible into the fire and told the children to put on their coats because he was taking them to grandad's house he was really crazy. He told them that after that he was gonna come back to burn down. Their house wasn't possessed. Edward was arrested near his house at a dirt road intersection. He was slowly walking and holding the hand of his daughter he was also mumbling biblical biblical passages and making vague statements about the devil he also said quote i and the bad guy my father will understand when troup aroused tote edward to take his boots and coat off edward did as he did this a large piece of flesh fell to the ground and while in custody edward was really talking gibberish. It really seemed like he did not know the seriousness of what he had done. He even told the police multiple times that he was sure they could help and save katie. Even though he had removed dollar organs goodness that trial began march arch twenty four thousand nine hundred ninety four the crawford county courthouse the jury did not find edwards not guilty because of reasons of insanity how now it is very clear that we're wasn't saying and if they had made this verdict than edward would have gotten the intense level of treatment he so needed it also he would have had an indeterminate stay at a psychiatric facility until the doctors felt that he was no longer a threat to himself or the public instead the jury found him guilty of involuntary manslaughter but mentally ill involuntary manslaughter but because of mental illness with this verdict he was sentenced to the maximum allowable to the law that was only five years at the state correctional institution. She doesn't need five years in prison but since he had already been jailed for a year awaiting trial he he had to serve four years that is so steep and edward was released on march nineteenth nineteen ninety eight with no stipulations he had served as tom <hes> stupid he moved to harmony haven which is an amish mental health center four-time though he didn't even really know that he was crazy roese and then he moved to cambridge springs in two thousand seven edward kidnapped his daughter from a buggy and he held her hostage for five days for this he was given six months probation and fined five hundred dollars gone after that he was taken in by couple that had a farm arm he would help around the farm cleaning and feeding the animals who the couple described edward as very polite and no trouble while one one morning at the age of forty four and were told couple the havens going to feed the horses when edward had not returned to the house a few hours later you're the wife went to the barn to look form yoga horses it was in the barn were was found he had hung himself. The only type of note that was left was in the dust of a barrel scrawled in the barrel. Dust were the words. I'm sorry god has the story of edward less willingness throughout the only amish to ever be convicted of murder. I i don't know why he was not because it's helped. I'm way no but lie the doctor. You said you've got to go to get basically just get help in nothing nothing. I don't really i um and he wasn't in any kind of state if he might probably would have been okay and she won't be dead that coming for to be the only one that was quite the murder i know it was he was just insane crazy about somebody's brain the the helmet while your kids are sitting there watching you're not you cannot be normal in the head the to do that and then to thank. You know we'll cyber. He was hughes's crazy but i don't even know the ness crazy you all right gaza. Go dog got play about blunt that brings us to another ending of bad into then. How was she not only have to ask. Why does yours always bitter in some way. Always mine is usually more gruesome which is man's more. Go read it is. I think both stores were good yeah well. I think remember please brayden review is if you don't mind on apple whatever platform you use you know think about else which nova himalayas where there you can become a member and get member only privileges max's baby at free of course and and extra episodes mini episodes full episodes and the community which is a little private group that we can discuss stuff him yeah the low private <music> anyway. That's what we got for this weekend. This we do. Thank you so much for listening once again. I'm always staying. That's that's not how it goes. Say it again. You don't always say i'm always saying what are you say. I have been stand and i'm always through. We'll see you next time baby goodness.

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Rep. Dean: Trump encourages governors to reopen at their peril

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Rep. Dean: Trump encourages governors to reopen at their peril

"Off I think China will do a very good trump. Never got a CDC team in China and the travel ban he brags about trump leading forty thousand travelers from China into America after he signed it. Not exactly airtight. Look around twenty. Two million Americans out of work and we have more officially reported cases and deaths than any other country. Donald trump left this country unprepared and unprotected for the worst public health and economic crisis in our life now paying the price. Good morning and welcome to A. M. Joy there are now more than seven hundred thousand confirmed cases of covert one thousand nine hundred in the United States and almost unbelievable number and there have been more than thirty eight thousand fatalities but just to put that in context a little more than thirty. Three thousand Americans died in combat during the Korean War. The fifth deadliest war in our nation's history. Just let that sink in for a moment. More Americans have died from the corona virus in the last seven weeks then during a three year war but donald trump was mismanagement is laid out clearly in that Joe Biden and that you just saw remains more concerned about revving up the economy than saving lives as he continues to pressure governors to lift lockdown orders and even encourages his supporters to risk their own health that going out enclosed quarter groups to protest them a New Wall Street Journal. Nbc News poll out. Just this morning finds that the American people are not on his side about six in ten. Americans are more concerned about the public health implications of getting back to work than the economic ones among his Republican Base. Who are usually blindly allegiance to their dear leader. Only about half are more concerned about the economy that last statistic doesn't really jive with trump's repeated claim that critiques of his handling of the crisis are partisan just more fake news organized by Democrats to ruin his reelection prospects. Here's what he said yesterday at his breathing. Now they're giving you the other. It's called testing testing. But they don't WanNA use all of the capacity that we've created we have tremendous capacity. Dr Birks will be explaining that. They know that the governors know that the Democrat governors know that they're the ones that are complaining. Oh really does Democrats complaining okay. Why don't we check in with the Republican governor of Maryland? Larry Hogan there's no question this has been the number one stumbling block in America. The lack of availability of testing. And you really can't Get get to any point where you can reopen the COMP The country until not just in my state but across the country we can do much much larger scale testing and what about the Republican governor of Ohio State? That TRUMP. Actually one in two thousand sixteen. Here's what he said. This week about reagents which is basically a fancy word for the chemical compound needed for testing one of our problems for or hospitals. Who are doing testing is lack of reagents. And this this does lie with the FDA certainly would allow our institutions to really ramp up. The number I mean they've got capacity their capacity is out here and they're here in what they're able to do every single day because they got the reagents being really rationed their agent is a problem that we have to go to Washington and you know the with the FDA as far as the approval joining me. Now is the democratic. Senator from Ohio Shared Brown and senator. Good Morning I'm what do you make of? Donald Trump's claim that he did the most important thing right to stop the spread of the corona virus which was his travel ban banning people from China from traveling here which actually isn't true because more than forty thousand people still traveled here and the fact that for all that he said we are now at a number of people with Deaths and reported cases that's just astronomical and tops the entire world. More people are getting sick. More people are dying in this country. I you just had on the governor of my state. I've said publicly that covered winds early actions a will aggressive in early actions doctoring. The action is health director will save lives in Ohio will be fewer. People will be sick and fewer people die. The president's inaction the president's coming to this Sedgley two months late means not enough protective equipment for workers not just doctors and nurses but grocery store workers in bus drivers and has sodium housekeepers at the hospitals. That are that are changing. The Lennon's and more people will be second die because of this president said action in late action and uneven eater ships that we've seen obviously across the board and one of the entities that Donald Trump among many that. He's trying to find to blame for this. Failure is the World Health Organization I want to play for you very briefly. The Director General of the organization whose aim is terrorist bomb braces. Here he is talking about what was done and Y. Take a listen back in favor. With ninety nine percent of cases in China this remains very much an emergency for that country but one that holds a very grave threat for the rest of the world unless we use the window of opportunity that we have now. Today I'm instructing my administration to halt funding of the World Health Organization while a review is conducted to assess the World Health Organization's role and severely mismanaging and covering up the spread of the corona virus. Senator Mr Braces. His comments were on February eleventh. That was quite early on in this crisis. In late January we know that United States senators received a briefing on how serious the threat was a bit of this virus breaking out of China and spreading and becoming a pandemic that was in January this February comment from who trump seems to have done almost nothing in the interim. This sounds like something that there should be hearings about because some senators. Some of your colleagues were alarmed and that they started dumping stock so obviously some people figured out that. This was a threat to the United States as well. Republican senators will stop many of them but they will hold hearings some because they want. This president accountable had a chance with impeachment. They have a chance now. They're not doing it. Sakani we're talking my wife and I last night during the during the two hour a concert show that about the World Health Organization. This is an organization that that Iran Lat lead with the US in sort of a CO leading position up to rid the world of smallpox essentially eliminated Ohio and all but expert handful of countries The president but we know the president takes respect. We know from watch takes responsibility or nothing even said he's not responsible for this so we know he was going to find somebody to blame blame. The World Health Organization in the middle of pandemic is is just the height of irresponsibility. But but again no surprise this president who has just failed repeatedly To work with the states to get protective equipment to get testing to do contact tracing all the things that every public health official. I've talked to says we need to do much before. Opening the are much more extensive testing contact tracing been quarantining an isolated in doing what countries like Taiwan and South Korea. Germany have done so so much better. Even though we knew about this is early as any of those countries I would add one other thing two years ago. This president eliminated. The lighthouse eliminated the opposite global security. A Doctor Timothy Zimmer and admiral or not a doctor I'm sorry Admiral Timpson it or he had run the anti malarial international effort for president. Bush should set up this global security office. I wrote the president a week after. He eliminated that office back in two thousand eighteen. He has an answer but imagine if because his job of with forty others of the animals. Zimmer was surveilled the world every day in countries and see if there were potential epidemics in any country in Asia or Africa Europe or South America. In then move in with. Us public health officials light the CDC and work with the WHO at a in an stock rose. SEPULVEDA MIC's potential epidemics before they became worldwide pandemics and the president is failed starting pretty much of that day. Two Thousand States e. Yeah but let's talk about the the. Nfc office elimination as well. He doesn't seem to have been that interested in prevention. But let's talk about what's happening now in terms of the economics the way it's playing out for ordinary people. People are being devastated. Economically trumpetings the answers to send people potentially sick back to work back to be on the wheel. That doesn't seem logical. You have introduced. You've called out and said that lawmakers banker that banks stopped charging overdraft fees is a CNBC piece. Here the Cory Booker and yourself Senator Cory Booker and yourself sent letters to fifteen banks on Friday urging them to stop charging overdraft an insufficient funds to people who are now hurting economically. You've also proposed a Heroes Fund to provide up to twenty five thousand dollars pay increases to essential workers on the frontlines of the corona virus. Pandemic can you talk a little bit about those two things? We need to do two big things. We need help. Those people on employed at Corey are working on that that request with banks. And we hope to do more than just make your requests if they don't turn charged overdraft fees if they don't go people most vulnerable in a bigger way what we have to do for those people that are laid off on. We have to speed up the unemployment benefits to them. The Secretary of Labor is a corporate lawyer wrangling. Corporate lawyer is pretty dislikes. We showed no interest in workers or unions that tee shot a lot of interests and attacking unions. So gotta get employment benefit. We've got to stop any potential foreclosure we need a moratorium on foreclosure innovation of that means helping people pay their rent when they're laid off of the pandemic in the other thing we need to do so we were. We worked to make the lives a little bit easier for those off. In all facets of their lives younger thing we do though is to work with those those workers who are innocent in the line of fire who are potentially exposed the pandemic. That's grocery store worker since strivers. It's people that prepare food and people that clean offices and clean hospitals. We've got to make sure they can get L. First of all making sure. Their jobs are safer. The president's failed miserably getting protective equipment to them and to hospitals and second. We need to make sure that this can pay of. Because they're risking their lives so a lot of people say as a lot of people stay home and work. Yeah absolutely Before I let you go I know that Yourself Senator Elizabeth Warren and Senator Harris have joined together on legislation that would get the demographic data so we can start to break down really more clearly by demographic race and ethnicity how this pandemic is hurting Americans. I think that's important legislation but I want to ask you because two of the people that you those two senators are both people who are talked about frequently as potential vice presidential running mates for Joe Biden. And I gotta ask you while I have you here. You're somebody in a election. Cycle talked about as either a presidential candidate or vice presidential running mate. Do you have recommendation for Senator Biden on who he should pick? I recommend recommend the he died a woman. I think he's going to a there are a number of my colleagues. Are House members their governors? There are others who been. There's A. There's a rich farm system a really large number of really good qualified. People that will serve. It will serve well as vice president to give us the name you give the name. Give us a recommendation to names. I may be joy reed. I all kinds of names of Hutter. We smart and really qualified. And I think the president back to your your letter that the with with them Elizabeth's than those who would be very good choices for that for the president for the soon to be president for the vice president by. I think that is seen in my state in. It's that way everywhere. A my stays about twelve percent African Americans more than twenty percent of the illnesses and deaths been African American. We need when we know that all because of health disparities the we continue to allow this country starting in some sense from Jim Crow redlining through so much else. That's happened in indiscriminate anti discrimination of people of Color we need to have one of the only things that can come out of this pandemic. I'm hopeful is that we really do address. Health disparities much. More broadly than we ever have. Yeah hopefully that will happen. center shared Brown. Thank you so much. Stay safe really appreciate your time. Thank you and meanwhile on the other side of Congress Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi gave an update this morning on the status of a deal that would provide support for small business owners. Close again we we have common ground are cares. One package was something that we work together in a bipartisan. Way Springing from that and making it more effective and stronger So that more people are benefiting from it protected by it. I think we're very close To to to agreement and joining me now is congresswoman from Pennsylvania Madeleine Dean congresswoman. Good Morning. Let's talk about the potential to help. Smaller businesses In going forward. What are the chances that the next bill that happens will actually protect smaller businesses and individual workers as well? Thank you for having me on today. and I'm very glad to hear and read and learn from my caucus that we might be very close to a deal to increase. Pp specifically for the small businesses. That I'm talking to every single day. Not The big chain restaurants but how about the small restaurants in my communities That are dedicated to building community. Who are in line for P. P. N. had not been able to access it. I've been on calls this week with Secretary Treasurer Treasury Mnuchin and Financial Services Committee. And we have asked for number one greater transparency in who is getting these loans and number two of prioritization of the smallest businesses. Who are back on. Its they will build up our community and so that's that is our ambition. I am delighted. We're getting closer on a deal so I'm going to read a little bit of this. The breakdown of the PAYCHECK Protection Extension Act and this is the legislation. That you've proposed along with Congressman Congressman Derek Kilmer of Washington and Jaime Herrera Butler of Washington. And it's about small businesses as you said it would ensure the support for small business continues creates an extension mechanism that puts little to no burden on Small Business Owners. Defers repayment of any remaining loan balance for the duration of the pandemic provides adequate funding to effectively mitigate the economic impacts of Swansea businesses. You wrote an OP. Ed in Newsweek. Saying are true leaders are not the ones taking the bow basically talking about healthcare workers as well these smaller these all these entities that are on the front lines can will this bill also make it easier for the smallest businesses who don't have banking relationships to access these loans. 'cause that's one of the big sort of deficit tears at the smallest businesses. Actually don't have those those relationships it's exactly right and I know that our speaker and Chuck Schumer have been arguing for that very thing other. It was easier for folks who have business relationships to Right into a meeting with a banker virtually and make sure that they got their applications in line. That is one of the things that we are urgently Persuading a secretary of Treasury Mnuchin to make sure is done This pandemic exposes the multiple inequities in our society. And so with this next round of money a we have to be sure that the smallest business owners of barbershops areas bakeries a small caterers. A small restaurants that are the backbone of our community and they are able to access this money And there are ways that the federal government of force can do that. I did ride that OP. Ed Because if you take a look at the president is doing I say. Beware of the person who stands there blaming and bowing. That's what the president has done over and over again either pointed the finger at somebody else who is responsible not himself not his administration or he takes bows. This is not a time to be bowing. This is a time to be digging in and so what I said in that article was. I was so impressed by the medical people that I'm in touch with by the women in my district who were simply making masks and handing them out for free at the grocery store workers who go in every single day so that we can have access to food. Sadly we lost a food preparation Worker enact Benjamin because of covert we need to make sure our workers are protected with EP. And that we are testing adequately in this country and not in some fanciful way trying to reopen in exposing people to even more danger and to that very point. Let me play you what. The governor of Pennsylvania said about lifting lockdown owners of lifting lockdown orders on Donald Trump's schedule rather than a schedule that is based on science. Take a listen. Never have we had a four stop of our economy. And our workforce Pennsylvania's businesses are in an unprecedented position many shuttered across the state to protect against the spread of the deadly corona virus but moving to reopen large swath of our economy. Now or reducing our flexibility to respond. It's only going to prolong this crisis. Governors are being as you said blamed by Donald Trump for not praising him enough doing what he tells them to do. They order them to reopen states. But do you fear that some governors will follow his edicts governors? That are more in his purview. And then that just increases the risk that this all starts up again because if it happens in one state as we've seen as what happened with China the United States it can very quickly spread joy our our sacrifice. The sacrifice of people across this country must be worthy and so that the president to idly say an courage governors. And you'd notice. It's it's a political encouragement. He encourages governors to reopen A. We'll be at their peril. An they could expose people to even greater second wave. We must be guided by the science and we must be guided by the humanity. A governor wolf has done a terrific job in leading Pennsylvania at putting safeguards in place so I trust him to follow the science You notice that last night if you had the chance to watch any of the global Concert in support of everybody. What was the the ultimate message we are in this together? The President does not share that view. He does not share that that humanity we have to be tested by the science and guided by the science and the humanity. We're in this together. We not in a race to reopen for political purposes as this president appears ribbon congresswoman. Madeleine Dean thank you very much really appreciate your time. Please stay safe thank you. You take think cheers and coming up this particular danger. The particular danger this virus poses for communities that Rhys. I'm here to get tested. And it just want to say I just WANNA say it makes us so proud when Our doctors that look more like us get together and To service US. It makes us feel so proud. Because other places we've been going to we've been getting turned away because we didn't have the symptoms or we just We have the symptoms and no one wants to service right now. The community is hurting the most in this pandemic are the communities that were already at risk due to systemic inequality among other things one of my next guest has been servicing these vulnerable communities in the city of Philadelphia where people of color are being hit. The hardest African Americans currently account for more than half of the city's documented deaths from code nineteen and those are most vulnerable to this pandemic include. Not just black communities but also Latino communities undocumented Americans and those who before corona virus were already struggling economically joining me now to discuss all of that is healthcare advocate Dr Ayla Stanford Twyla Baker President of new etta. He Doxa Sanish Tribal College and Jose Antonio Vargas author of Dear America. Thank you all very much for being here and Dr Stanford I'm GonNa Start With You. Talk a little bit about what you've been doing to try to make these tests available because mass testing is really what we need to get ourselves back to anything like normal absolutely so joy. I was just tired of watching on the news every day that we are disproportionately affected and wanted to do something about it. So I reached out to the elected officials local and state to see what things were placed only to find that there were not things in place and so I joined up with several of my colleagues and physicians to say we can do this. We reached out to LABCORP. We ordered the supplies. And we put everything on our requisitions. We got our volunteers and we took to the streets. We presented mitigation strategies to the local and state government on how to reduce the disease and death in the African American community and hope that those partnerships will come to fruition. But until that happens we needed to get out there now. We tested over one hundred people yesterday. Yes I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you know. We tested over one hundred people yesterday. We anticipate we will double that tomorrow. We have partnered with churches in and around Philadelphia that have the highest incidence of positive and highest incidents of death the city of Philadelphia provided that to us and through that because we are unknown face to church is a refuge for many. It's a safe location. And they can come there and not be potentially prejudged without the barriers and get a safe test and know that the results will be communicated back to them. That is wonderful just to put the data for our audiences listing the out the current ivars outbreak in Philadelphia. Nine thousand in fourteen cases of those three hundred and three hundred and forty two people have died. And if you break it down by race fifty fifty two point. Two percent of those deaths have been African Americans and that is about a whole lot of stuff that is a pre predates the pandemic right. That's inequality that was built in. Some of it is but quite frankly. Even our current systems people were being blocked because they didn't have a referral from their doctor because they weren't a certain age because they weren't a healthcare provider and flora. They walked to a testing unit. That was only taking drive up individuals and we need it to as a group of black physicians. Take it upon ourselves to remove those barriers. And make sure there's no way we're going to identify isolate contact and quarantine to decrease the disease and death if we can't test individuals so that's where we started up grass roots in the community. And Twyla we have some of this data for African Americans much like the thing that annoys me about polling when we can't get in American data we don't even really have data on indigenous communities to be able to tell us how severe this is in your communities. Can you tell us what's going on? In within indigenous communities were guarding this virus well quite honestly joy the the the impact and the response has really been centered around Tribes and tribal entities themselves responding as best they can in partnership with perhaps their state governments And Right now. We're kind of in a holding pattern waiting for the relief from the The cares act bill. And the the. There's really a big gap in regards to how that those dollars are actually going to reach tribal communities and I work at a tribal college but tribal colleges are deeply embedded in tribal communities. We serve much more than just the higher education needs. So we're feeling this as well. We are trying to respond as best we can for our communities and trying to be a part of those entities that help in the response in another himselves and like you said American Indians lasca natives other indigenous people. We tend to be an asterisk type population. Where they they'll address to the end of their data tables and say we don't have enough numbers to to count these types of things and and a lifetime ago I. I was very very accustomed to that happening. When I was working for the National Resource Center a native American aging where we ended up being the entities that had to gather our own data and had to do our own reporting and like you said earlier a lot of these shortcomings in shortfalls in care have been have been long longstanding things. And we've been ringing that bell for such a long time to try to address disparity inequity the biases care and trying to work with a system. That basically has been chronically and critically underfunded and now you get end up with like Navajo nation. Who HAS More deaths than thirteen states in the United States. And they're trying to serve their people with a broken system quite honestly. And how how? How are you possibly going to be able to address a need that indeed and speaking broken systems? Jose Antonio Vargas. We were texting the other day. And so I'm so glad that you are available to come on and talk about this. I WANNA play you. What Governor Gavin Newsom of California talked about regarding relief for undocumented Americans take a listen regardless of your status or undocumented There are people in need and this is a state that steps up always support those in need regardless of status. I'm proud as governor to be the first State to announce a program for direct disaster assistance to those individuals. And you tweeted. He'll say an H. Challenge to the governor. Who's going to speak after this show for the industry? The governor of New York that he needs to step up in the same way. Talk about what's going on for undocumented folks regarding this virus all the reality is undocumented workers center families are left out in left behind in this even though we contribute billions of dollars state and federal taxes even though undocumented workers like farmers are now considered essential workers and they're always been essential workers we were left out of the two trillion dollar aid package right and so it's really time now here at the American. Were actually asking people to take a pledge at define American DOT COM to help your undocumented coworkers friends and neighbors to US practicing your citizenship means being a good neighbor being helper and right now we actually are seeing a lot of Americans already planning to donate art of their stimulus package checks to help undocumented people and in the state you know enjoy our text thing a whole about twenty five percent of the workforce in New York State are immigrants twenty five percent Many of them are undocumented in multiple industries and so I really hope that governor Cuomo can really follow Governor. Use Lead in this and step up. Hopefully if anybody is going to be in that presser with Governor Cuomo and gets to ask him questions happens to be listening to am joy this morning I think. Oh San Antonio Vargas has given you a great question that you could throw out. I would highly recommend doing that so can journalists are going to be in there. That can ask that. Maybe you all might want to ask that question. Dr Ayla Stanford Twyla Baker Jose Antonio Vargas. You all thank you so much. Please stay safe really appreciate your time this morning. Next up Joe Biden has a chance to make history again. Hey Guys Willie geist here. This week on the Sunday. Sit down. Podcast music superstar. Sheryl Crowe urge Ernie from a small town in Missouri to the top of the music world. Get the podcast now for free wherever you download yours. If Joe Biden asks me to serve as his vice president during such a critical and tough time for a nation of course I would say yes to continue to serve the people who need the help the most. We are ready to have a woman. I think we're certain of ready to have an African American woman and such a critical leadership by and I'd just bided. That is the question of the day among Democrats who were inching to see who their apparent nominee will choose as a running mate. The names thrown around include Florida congresswoman. Val demings who made a name for herself as an impeachment manager along with Georgia's Stacey Abrams and Senator Elizabeth Warren Amy Klobuchar and Kamala Harris who biden picks could be the key to energizing voters in November and Biden needs a partner who can help him confront pandemic in the midst of an election. That is disproportionately killing black people. With Black Women Being Democrats Mall steadfast and loyal voters and black voters in the southern states having rescued by primary campaign there are more than a few political watchers. Who believe a black woman should be first in line for the job dude? Aaron Hanes editor at large of the nineteenth and Steve Phillips host of the podcast democracy and color. Aaron I'm going to start with you. Statistically in twenty eight team the midterm elections black women's turned out with six points above the national turnout. That's that's significant. The heart of the Democratic Party is people of Color. Does that mean that Biden should go in that direction? I mean when when you're talking to people out there in the world you speak to a lot of voters as you're out reporting are people saying that he needs to reward that with a black woman nominee order people saying no we just want trump out. We don't care we've fixed well. I think it's both I think. Black women are definitely looking for a return on their investment. In this cycle of particular like a lot of Democrats Blackman's priority is asking president trump in November. And to that end they really showed up and show out in this early primary calendar resurrecting Vice President Biden's campaign and making him now the presumptive nominee out. We saw him say at the debate in South Carolina that he would nominate a black woman to the Supreme Court. That was something that got a lot of black women's attention but you know after there was no longer a path for a woman to be President Cycle. The conversation started turning to You know woman as vice president and remember there's never been a woman vice president in the history of this country either so that would also be a history making history making new and so you know when we're talking about that Talking about somebody who's representative of the direction of of the party? The Democratic Party. I I don't know how you're talking about anybody. But a black woman at the top of that vision Steve. There have been within this conversation. This sort of sub conversation as well if then right. So there is a boomlet for Comma Harris. Jason Johnson wrote a piece for the Grio in which he made the argument. That if you're casting this thing you want to cast commonly Harris. She's got the experience of the United States. Senator She's ready to be president herself etc. You've got a boomlet four. Stacey Abrams who younger younger black voters would really cater to. She's more popular with younger. Progressives Marcus Farrell. Who was the African American outreach? Director in two thousand sixteen for Bernie. Sanders wrote that piece for the grow as well. What are you hearing in terms of what people want in terms of black woman if that is what Joe Biden select or if people say they don't Care Abo Drive? You want anyone you want. I'm not hearing a lot of that so one of the things I did. I worked on a piece looking for the New York Times looking at the electoral track records of all of the potential candidate. People are going to be talking about looking at polling. What a lot of predictive basis if you look at what happened in the actual races where the various people who are being mentioned. How did they perform what the data showed from that the exit polls comparing the those is racist is that Abrahams actually has demonstrably stronger? Track record with the key constituencies. That Biden needs than anybody. So that's young people. It's African American enthusiasm not just support and that's one of the things. I'm worried Biden's not going to grasp it was gonna make the same mistake. Hillary days was all. We did. Wealth African Americans in the primary. So we're fine. You need enthusiasm. And then also with Latinos and so in her exit polls compared in her actual race. Compared to the other potential candidates Abrams is significantly more better in terms of actual track record percentage of turn out. The numbers are actually turned out. So if that's what you're looking at us to actually win and you want to see who has the best track record. It is clear that Abram stands out in that regard you know Aaron and I don't know if this reporting supports this but the the one person that seems to complicate that narrative is Elizabeth Warren Elizabeth Warren had a significant support base among black women. There were some black celebrity women who were with her. She actually does galvanize a lot of black woman. At least she did in the primary even though you know obviously her she didn't get the nomination dish. She complicate that question about whether or not black women would care whether or not the nominee was black. She complicated at all. I think that Elizabeth Warren's agenda is certainly something that a lot of progressive black women that I've spoken to still want to see as somehow are a a a biden platform and ended ministration. You know Vice President Biden is somebody who senator warned endorsed This week and and what she said was that she felt that he was somebody who would listen. And so maybe somebody who was open to some of the ideas that a lot of these Black Women Progressive Black Women. Activists were championing. And so you know in that regard. I think that she's going to be a part of this conversation whether she is on the ticket or not But I think that The conversation around a black a black woman particular not just a woman of color but a black woman is something that I'm hearing from. So many black women voters as the thing that could really excite and energize That e constituency in particular headed into November. Because you know with this team that kind of looming over everything you need kicking excite people Headed into album or a rather. Whoever's they're totally welcome to be on the show by the way because my dog is upstairs and he's happy to join in. I think we're we're out of time but we're going to continue this conversation Erin. Hayes Steve Phillips will have you guys both back thank you and please stay safe and coming up a closer look at why Mitch McConnell. They always do this on the on. These teases sticks his neck out for trump. Turtle is always turtled. Joe But Mitchell Blake. I'd love you to say a few words because you this man were twenty four hours a day for a long time. This is the result. Two biggest ever ever approved in Congress six point jubilee at six point two trillion dollars. Throw let me just say a proud moment for our country for the president that Republicans and Democrats all pulled together and pass the biggest bill and history and record time. I'd love to shake hands but Anthony will get angry at me so I better not do. Well remember when the GOP tried to take complete credit for passing the cares act even though they claim Democrats were asking for too much relief for Americans throughout the whole process. Good Times did you also notice how chummy trump and Mitch. Mcconnell were during that ceremony a new piece by my next guest details. Why that's the case and also how. Mcconnell has enabled trump throughout his presidency. Jamie now is Jane Mayer Chief. Washington correspondent at the New Yorker and author of the new piece. How Mitch? Mcconnell became trump's enabler in chief and Jayne Good Morning. Let me read you a little piece from your article for those who have not ready yet. Now if you should and you write this is about the understanding that the two have come to. Mcconnell and trump trump McConnell have come to understand each other and this is according to Al Cross a calm journalism professor at University of Kentucky. The president needs him to govern. Mcconnell knows that if their relationship fell apart it would be a disaster for the Republican majority in the Senate very different many ways but fundamentally they're about the same thing winning what does winning mean to each of them we know what it means for trump. What is it that McConnell wants to win through trump? Well I mean among other things. He wants to win his reelection. He's up reelection in the fall and he also wants to keep the Republican majority that he has in the Senate It's incredibly important him to stay as majority leader and what he's got going with. Trump is basically a marriage of convenience where they each get something out of it even though they have very different constituencies in a way when when trump ran in two thousand sixteen he talked about trying to drain the swamp. And you'll see in the story. There are people who describe Mitch McConnell as the biggest swamp creature in Washington. He's made a career out of of servicing the biggest donors in the Party and getting rid of all the kind of campaign finance laws that try to control the flow of corrupt money into American politics. But they've got a partnership now and as as I told you it's all about winning and nothing will stand in the way of them trying to win and this is where it gets a little bit confusing for me. I'm GonNa read another little piece from article. And this is your quoting James Hacker and Paul Pearson who are a couple political scientists who were ready. Who wrote a book called? Let them eat tweets quote in order to Win Elections Packer and Pearson explained. The Republican Party has had to form a coalition between corporatists and white cultural conservatives who galvanized by trump's anti elitist and racist rhetoric the authors call this hybrid strategy plutocratic populism hacker told me the relationship between McConnell and trump offers a clear illustration of how the party has evolved adding. They may detest each other. But they need each other the thing. That's ironic about that. Is that on the popular side? They don't actually get anything economically out of this plutocracy they are actually being pushed to maybe infect themselves with corona virus. They are on the losing end economically. But somehow they're still allied with the plutocrats. Is there an explanation that you've got in talking to these political about that well? I mean trump's rhetoric which is often racist and and anger laced and anti elitist is the language that excites the the the lower educated part of his base. Those of the white male base particularly. And so he's saying things that make his his supporters feel good and I actually did talk to a number of people in Kentucky who were in Appalachia places that are really hard hit in terms of poverty. And what they said. I mean it's it's it's kind of. I think it's worth thinking about what they said. Was there some people? They are support trump because they feel like at least he knows they're alive. They're in flyover company country and he's talking there talk. He's not doing much for them. As you pointed out and in fact what this deal is about with Mitch McConnell's Mitch. Mcconnell has delivered that tax bill in twenty seventeen that completely serviced. The top one percent of the richest people in the country eighty percent of the goodies in it went to the top one percent yet until he's getting what he wants because trump helps get reelected. Those kinds of policies are not popular with the American public but that that rhetoric just just that coalition gets them reelected well. And here's the irony of that. What McConnell delivers his judges? Most of these people in trump's base can't name any of these judges by name but it's a theoretical thing right that he's delivering the kinds of judges who will force women into the home having birth giving birth and and gay marriage and the things that they think in the end are going to somehow help them in the you know in the end I guess in the year after but when you think about it pragmatically just had Andy Bashir. Beat the most trumpy governor in the country to regain the statewide office of Governor. So you write the. This is not necessarily a winning strategy for Mitch. Mcconnell McConnell's enabling of going. Yeah go on. Just explain that. It's absolutely true. I mean McConnell has wrapped himself around trump whenever McConnell has taken on trump in his own state of Kentucky his popularity has fallen among the from base. 'cause they don't see him as trumpy enough Yet now that trump is really in e we see he's unfit to handle a crisis like the corona virus. It's it's apparent to everyone. The consequences are literally lethal. And it's it but Mitch has thrown in his lot with him. It's a bet that he's made and he it. We don't know how it's GonNa come out in November but one of the most interesting indicators. Is that the Cook. Political report which is widely respected downgraded its chances of the Republicans holding the Senate to a fifty fifty. Toss up and you know this. This may cost the Republican Party to have bet on Donald trump who is governing in such a way that people are beginning to become appalled. Absolutely Lindsey Graham once said we nominate Donald Trump. We will lose and we will deserve it. Fifty Fifty Means Kentucky can go. Democratic Alabama went. Democratic Kentucky has a DEMOC- democratic governor. Y'All think the south is safe. Republicans okay good luck. Keep betting on that Jade mayor one of the best business. Thank you so much for making some time this morning. Really appreciate it. Stay safe driving me. Coming up cheers and coming up the tea. Party two point. Oh but this time with lives on the line. This is my pee again. This is her message of all. Jobs are necessary for the supply chain and when you start messing with the supply chain of we run out of food. There's GonNa be a whole lot worse than what's going on with the few people who are suffering from the disease for which there is a very effective. Okay Can you talk about? Where are you from? And then what made you bring your lovely pig and then also maybe what? The effective treatment could be the night. Forget Hydro Chloride Clinic something I. I can't pronounce it but that Madison with zinc and vitamin. Cme many many people recovering are recovering dying. I'm here to save open up Minnesota. Okay thank you Scientists Lady Welcome back to. Am Joy people really believe the things that here during Donald Trump's so-called news briefings? She's not a scientist lead by the way. And they're all too happy to take cues from him on social media when he re tweets supporters urging them to get rid of Dr Anthony Fauci so it was no surprise to hear them talent buyer voucher at the state capital in Austin Texas Saturday speakers at that demonstration also screamed get this fascist bow. She accused him of making up Kobe nineteenth seriously. But when you see these protests particularly in states like Michigan which Donald Trump needs to win in order to be reelected. Don't assume these people woke up. One day remove their protective face coverings and spontaneously walked out of their houses just eager to catch cove in nineteen just like Donald Trump's daily takeover of America's evening news broadcasts. These demonstrations are also serving as his reelection strategy. The Associated Press reports that quote. The protests in Michigan was organized by the Michigan Conservative coalition. A group founded by a GOP state representative. And it's wife Mishaan Matic. Who is on the Advisory Board for an official trump campaign group called women for trump and is also the CO founder of Michigan Trump Republicans? And it's not just donald trump. These backers also have ties to members of his administration in this case Education Secretary Betsy Devos quo. Another group promoting the event Michigan. Freedom Fund is run by Greg. Mcneilly longtime political adviser to the. Devos family who are prolific Republican donors in a funded conservative causes for decades and now trump adviser Stephen Moore a member of the White House counsel reopen. The economy is helping organizers in Wisconsin because the way he sees it these people. The protesters are quote the Modern Day Rosa parks protesting against injustice and a loss of liberties. Yup you heard me right. Rosa Parks Rosa Parks. Who was already organizer for the Civil Rights Movement in Alabama when she was arrested for sitting in the whites only section of a bus Rosa parks who became a civil rights icon because her actions on December first nineteen fifty five sparked one of the largest events of the civil rights movement the Montgomery bus boycotts which ended a full year later? With a Supreme Court ruling against segregated buses in a case called browder versus Gael involving four other heroic women including Claudette. Colvin Stephen Moore is somehow confusing Rosa parks with these people who showed up in Michigan waving confederate flag screaming and blocking ambulances in fact some strange reason. He's been invoking Rosa Parks all week. Here's what he said in an interview on a right wing program. I'm working with a group in Wisconsin. That wants to do a drive in you. Remember the old citizens but this can be a driving and they're gonNA shut down capital. We have one big donor Wisconsin. I'm not gonNA mention his name and I told her about this. He said Steve. I promise I will pay the bail legal fees for anyone who gets arrested so this is a great time gentlemen and ladies for civil disobedience. We need to be the Rosa Parks. Here and protest against these government. Injustice is exactly like Rosa Parks joining me now congresswoman Greg Glenmore of Wisconsin. She's a member of the House Ways and Means Committee. Michael Harriet senior writer for the root dot Com Dave Ziren sports editor for the nation and host of the edge of sports podcast hurt by DELLA MSNBC contributor and former spokesperson for the House oversight and Reform Committee and Renee Graham Associate Editor and opinion writer for the Boston Globe. This is a great panel. I cannot wait to get into this with y'all but I want to start with congresswoman. You've written a letter to FEMA asking for more testing materials in the in the mind of Stephen Moore. I guess you are the people that ran the bus company who oppose Rosa Parks. Because they've equated the right to go out and infect other people with cove in one thousand nine hundred krona virus to go back to work potentially symptomatic today symptomatic character that to them is being Rosa. Parks your thoughts. This let me start by saying Stephen Moore. There's no kin no relationship to me say among has borrowed heavily from the civil rights movement. I mean it's very telling that they would use an icon of the civil rights movement. They've learned from US prior to this. They just really didn't have any other resources other than money. Now they bust lows of people end for these protests. I JUST WANNA point out for those of you. All don't know the geography of the seventy two counties in counseling that Brookfield Wisconsin where the hill. The protests yesterday is probably in the county with the largest barack per capita income in state And so they organized used the money of the whatever truck comes in they send busloads of people in to the venue and they've learned from our civil rights movement and you know we have to own that they learn from us how to do this. Well you know Michael. I was tweeting about this yesterday. The ironies are very rich. It to the point that the congresswoman is making. The National Magazine was actually founded by William Buckley's literally weeks before the Montgomery bus boycott began right right before the arrest of Rosa Parks and it was founded inherently opposing the civil rights movement opposing desegregation attempts affirming state's rights so highly ironic to me for a conservative a descendant of William F. Buckley. Junior to be saying oh no not. All the state doesn't have a right to protect. Its own citizens there should be some superimposed forcible reopening of the states that imposes that on governors. And I don't understand this idea of an inherent civil right to infect other people with current ivars. Do you understand it all joy. Obviously you've probably had to sit on the at the back of the cubicle at work to earn your paycheck and you want to get back to work These people were the discrepancies. In this notion that this is a civil rights movement is that the civil rights movement didn't affect why people giving black people rights the right to sit on a bus anywhere they wanted to didn't take rights away from the white people but this movement instead we'll take lives away from the people who they work with who they live around and neighbors and their friends. And that's the that's the divide in this movement is really this idea. It is an extension of the white populism that gave us Donald Trump. Right it is this disaffected angry white people who who are economically. They say Disenfranchised THEY WANT THEIR COUNTRY BACK. What the country is is the right to exist no matter how much they harm the people who are around him the poor people the people who are sick the people who are suffering from a global pandemic. They don't care. As long as they can get their paychecks. We saw that when Donald trump was elected. And we're seeing it again now that we're on the eve of another election you know. They're making it real clear by waving the confederate flags to. They're not like hiding. It's not like they're hiding under a Bushel. Dave they should. It would almost be sort of more direct and open to just go out and chant let us infect you. Let us get infected. That's what they're saying. They're saying we're in a bunch. We're not social distancing. We could be passed and this virus around among US right here. Now let us come back to work and infect. Y'All a strange sort of civil rights movement if that's what they think it is but it also seems to extend and you were writing about this this week. Dave to let us have wwe because wwe is an essential business because people can't watch sports. Yeah no they've gone from all lives matter to know lives matter. These folks are. Let's be honest about what they are. The Fox News Nazi confederate death cult rump of the Republican Party and their very existence is a slap in the face not only to the healthcare workers on the frontlines risking their lives every single day. But it's also a slap in the face of the people who are actually dying from this virus in disproportionate numbers black and Brown people. These aren't economically disenfranchised. Folks these are small business owners. These are retirees. These are people who want their workers to be sent back to work not themselves. It's a complete and utter farce. It's an ASTROTURF farce and also. I think it needs to be said. It's also unrepresentative of the Republican Party. As a whole saw poll that said seventy percent of Republicans want a national. Stay at home order so this represents nothing except the narrow astroturf interests and the hard racist interests that combine and form the Modern Day Republican Party. And I think we would do well. I think this is important covering critically but I think the media as a whole would do well to cover it far less. I mean I can't tell you how many one hundred person protests I've been to in my life that I've gotten zero media coverage meanwhile this is something that sets off a national conversation when these folks don't deserve They frankly don't deserve the sweat off our brow you know and it's it's a good point because I remember during the Iraq war there were a lot of protests against the war. You would never know unless you have C. Span. Let me a you know. They didn't get the day to day to day to day coverage to go to you. Kurt on this because the thing about it they train. I'm going to read a little bit of Keith. Ellison Son wrote a New York Times. Op Ed that. That was brilliant and it talked about during every crisis. Well-meaning white people here to make a make a ritual. Make of acknowledging the city steep inequalities. But we've been hearing the same. What was u sentiment for a long time? It's as if people think the inequity. The Mirror acknowledgment is the work but as North. Minneapolis prepares to brace ourselves for the future. Detroit and Milwaukee have shown us the death toll suggest the acknowledgement. Don't mean that you have a lot of folks that are they're saying yes. We know that. This is disproportionately killing black and Brown and indigenous people. But it doesn't matter and for people you wrote a piece about this deliberate tweets and these sort of arrogance and recklessness them you wrote that for our NBC News. Think you imagine the world if Obama had sent tweets like that because the thing is that the people who are demanding folks. Go back to work. People like Stephen Moore a rich and they want those workers to go back because they want their stocks to go up they WANNA be richer and the people that they're using to be the bodies to be the field troops are the people who are GonNa get sick and maybe die right. I mean here's the strange thing about all of this joy if everyone in trump country did what he wants them to do. Go out there. Civil disobedience spread Cova nineteen. They're all GonNa get sick and die. And that's I think over well for politically trump is so fixated I think on just getting through that day and the next day that everything he does is not calibrated for what's going to happen to be the consequence one week from now two weeks from now one month from now it's calibrated for. What can I make news today? How can I create noise because the rally is and I think about this? There was an ad that Joe Biden. Put up yesterday on social media. That is just devastating illustrates the complete negligence and failure to respond if trump dealing with corona and I think that what trump is doing is trying to create as much noise as humanly possible to try to distract. Everyone's attention away from his tremendous failure to recognize this crisis to take action on it to take action that would have saved lives and prevented the spread of Kobe. Nineteen to the rate that we're seeing right now and it's such typical right-wing trolling material that we've seen for years now. From people. Like Breitbart and Steve Bannon Stephen Miller. This is rather their playbook. And it's no coincidence at all of this escalation that we're seeing is happening. Right as Joe Biden solidified the Democratic nomination right as polls show that the Biden has a lead over trump and trump is in trouble. Underwater and typical trump is treating civil disobedience trying to create racial tensions inflamed them and changed narrative to take attention away from his failures and put it somewhere else including making China the New Mexico. The new scary non white people are the Chinese right. So it's like he still trying to use that same racial trope. It's same playbook again renee. I want to just go to your reporting on this as well because you are coming to us from Boston and I having lived You know gone to school in that neck of the woods that there's a lot of racial tension in ages in the south. There's a lot there as well. How how is this playing out in the in the world up there because in any it's not that hard unfortunately to turn a health crisis into a racial ethnic crisis one thing I think is really interesting is how these protests have started after all the headlines. The last week or so about the disproportionate affect the viruses having in communities of color. And so what I look at these protests what I see or a bunch of white people essentially saying oh it's affecting those people so why do I have to change my life for them? That's what this is coming down to in Boston. The numbers of the same as they are nationally One of the Hospitals Public Hospital is Boston Medical Center. Eighty two percent of the covert nineteen cases are either black or Latino. These numbers are real and I think what you're seeing out there and the protesters who by the way are overwhelmingly white which people are really talking about. It was quite noticeable. Is that they don't care you know this isn't about you know they're out there waving. American flags they don't care about America what they care about Donald Trump and what donald trump was created. They don't care about the people risking their lives to keep this country moving. They don't care about Mt Dangerous rebellion. The all they want is another battle wage for their loss. 'cause this isn't a protest. This is a temper tantrum. Michael I feel like this is in your lanes. I'm GonNa let you respond to that again. I disagree with the notion that we shouldn't be covering this because I think it is more than just. I don't care about these black and Brown people who were dying. I think that what they're saying quite clearly when you see the numbers when you see statistics when you see the CDC data is I more black and Brown people to die right there. If you want the government to open up then you want more black and Brown people to die. We see it happening. In real time we see in Donald Trump's tweets we see the data. There can be no other outcome if you open up what they call this society of the business of the country unless you see more people. But here's the but here's the challenge to that though Michael and I'll I'll open up to everyone. Everybody can feel free to jump in here and maybe curt since you worked in the whole breitbart world. It isn't just black and Brown people who would die in that scenario. If the if you opened the country backup without massive testing. What will happen is more of everyone will die right because everyone who comes in contact with any person that's infected even if they're a symptomatic can catch it and can die. Black people are dying more because they're coming into it with more preexisting health conditions that exacerbated more asthma more pre existing issues that hit you harder. But it's not like white people wouldn't do so. It was a logical to say demand to demand to go back into a space where they themselves could get sick and die. Well if your job is to to buy back shares then you can do all that work from your computer at home or you can have your zoom meetings a you know we black and Brown people are disproportionately part of the supply chain. You can't do your Zoom Jap mother of the hostility emergency room for your laptop. Yeah before but before I before I move on from I WANNA stick with you. Just want because the post office comes into this. I think and I wanted. I really one of the things I wanted to talk to you about. Congresswoman is the fact that the postal service is one of those businesses those industries that is disproportionately black all around the country. Even if the community isn't just black it is the the attack on the postal service. Feels like it's part of that right. It feels like it's a part of the overall attack year. That is a racialist attack. Am I wrong about that? Well no you're not wrong about that. I mean the post office has been one of the areas of public service and in job security. That African Americans veterans by the way coming back from wars have been able to rely on. The Post Office is actually in the constitution. Seventeen seventy five Benjamin Franklin was the first a US postmaster and they have delivered mail to the last mile and even giants like Amazon depend on now and to the extent that African Americans have found this to be a great way to build a career and become part of the middle class. They are disproportionately in this distribution network can Republicans have long sought to kill the post office in the corona virus. May in fact be the blow that kills the post office every since two thousand to go to into this but since two thousand seven the The government has required the post office. Depre- pay health insurance coverage for people who are not even bar yet who may work for the post office and these five six billion dollars. A year are really creating problems of operational problems for the post office. That are insulated. Absolutely Kurt what is in it for these shock troops because they get sick and die that helps. The Seymour doesn't care his stocks go up. He doesn't care what is in it for them other than this sort of racial is sort of ongoing demographic panic. One of the things that we're seeing is all of this has got to be seen through the lens of what this is which is essentially class warfare and economic warfare. The people who are doing while this country the rich Dec- The decision makers management. They're not the ones who are going to be going back out into the world for not the ones who are going to be in factories doing manual labor doing service work doing the things that truly make our economic engine run. They're going to be staying at home social distancing. I don't see Stephen Moore out there in the middle of crowds right now. I don't see anyone. That's been on trump's economic recovery Ill All all a bunch of Rich People C. E. O.'s. Who are advising him out there doing the things that they're professing encourage people to protest about everything that is happening right now is all about rich versus poor upper middle upper middle class and working class and putting those two factions against one in there. It just so happens that people get colored are a part of one of those classes over the other which is why I think the trump people just don't care about them at all but everything right now is all about that class warfare that we're seeing but I mean Dave Dave Siren except if you think about sports and you think about some of the athletes who are first generation rich who they also want to shove back out there because if you're talking about putting people who are involved in athletics back out there they are rich too but also a lot of folks who would like to see them. Shove backout where they will be taking you know. Nba players have already contracted the virus. We know parents of NBA players have so at eight all four people that are being sort of shoved forward. I mean they're wealthy but at the same time I mean they're also investments by management. Which is why you see like this emphasis on testing in this desire for testing in professional sports because they have invested millions of dollars in these and oftentimes they're treated like extensions of equipment. I mean if you look at the Group of people that trump is assembled to talk about how we reopened sports. It's the worst actors in the sports industry. It's all rich white guys it's owners it's commissioners it's not not letting community no representatives from the unions. No women I mean it's completely people who see athletes as extensions of equipment and as essential to their big bottom live broadcasts. Its discussing. Oh but we always behind trump. Isn't it a group of White Guts as well? We always see. That's that's exactly what he to present to. There's no why would any differently out the fact that Vince McMahon of WWe's part of this in his companies deemed not essential in Florida? Tells you everything you need to know? About what a sham? This whole thing is yeah absolutely. I'm sorry very quickly Dave under you had a final word. Oh just that. There's a book called the rebellious life of Mrs Rosa Parks by Jean. Theo Harris in I think that all these folks should be forced to read it so they understand that they shouldn't use her name in vain. Yeah I think no. None of this should all just stop saying that. Just don't say Rosa Parks Anymore. That's a that's a word of advice from history buff because it doesn't work it is not analogous demanding to infect other people not analogous a congresswoman gwen. Moore Michael Harriet. Dave Siren. Kurt Bar Della Renee Graham a super panel. Thank you guys very much everybody. Please stay coming up. Big Restaurant. Chains reap the benefits of free government. Money sweet sweet government money as independent small business owners well they face extinction perfect. I applied for three loans. Two of the three denied me. I still haven't heard from the third one. And now at this point all the banks and not taking applications anymore. The three hundred fifty billion dollar emergency loan program for small businesses ran out of money after less than two weeks this morning. House speaker. Nancy Pelosi said Congress is close to a deal to replenish the fund. But in many but in the meantime many small business owners are in limbo and so far. Some of the businesses who have received loans aren't so small. Ruth's Chris Steakhouse received twenty million dollars in government-backed. Forgive government back. Forgivable loans make brands like shake shack and pot belly. Got Ten million dollars a piece while so much. Smaller businesses have yet to receive a set joining me. Now is Mel. Wilson founder of Melvin restaurant and author of Melbourne's American Comfort Andrew Reggie Executive Director of New York City Hospitality Alliance and Dan Price Founder and CEO of gravity payments. Thank you all for being here Melba. My friend has start with you. Have you gone through the loan process? And how is it worked out? Joya have gone to the loan process. I was very very fortunate to be partnered with a company by the name of True Fund. And they are a community development. Financial Institution Steve Berrios. Who have worked with their before he and I speak he. I mean he and I spoke and did the application Michael Belton did the application we got it in and we just got approved. Last week we have not been funded yet however we did get approved so we're super duper excited about that You know a lot of times. I think that we need to look at small community banks as opposed to always looking at big banks and CDFI's they've come through for me before and that's a really good point just out. The Community Development Organization seem and smaller bake seemed to be where I'm hearing that people are having more success. Let me ask you Andrew. What has the hospitality alliance in their various businesses? I know that are all a part of it. I assume that there has been a range of success when people are trying to get loans have difficult. Has It been for folks. Thanks you well. We've heard from people like Melba that have gotten the loan. Haven't actually gone the money yet. But tons of business people have just been shut out the actually thought they were getting the money. They got their applications in but now they here. They're not getting any money. So we need Congress to get past whatever issues they are having and get more money into the PP fund and getting into a small business owners hand immediately. This is the future of our nation the future Var count and they need cash flow. Dan and you and I appreciate the kind of bent on like you know because you were tweeting about the things that you're going through and I was like. Hey can we talk about this on air because your business actually is a three point two other businesses right so you can kind of tell how other businesses are doing by how you're doing right because you're dealing with the payment side of it and we're swiping cards to get paid to pay our bills? How what are you seeing out there in terms of your clients and how they're faring with that money that was supposed to save. These businesses came from the federal government. I started building my business when I was seventeen to help small businesses and to help them out. We don't charge a monthly fee. Most the time we just make our money. As a percentage of small business revenue and our twenty thousand small businesses are on average down fifty five percent but also our data shows that small businesses only have on average twenty seven days from the start of the crisis before they were going to go under and so with ninety. Five percent of businesses still not having received any assistance or even in the under the current when not having access to any assistance. There was a mad dash for those barnes. The likes of which I've never seen an I feel like I'm just being crushed. You know punched in the stomach multiple times every day carrying about our clients how they're going to great lengths to save one two or three more jobs you know. These are the restaurants these are the dentists veterinary clinics all these small businesses. They're doing everything they can. But we've basically left ninety five percent out in the cold with no viable path forward. Yeah let me Play Elizabeth Warren. She talked yesterday. She was on the show and talked about this exact thing and the challenge. That is the disconnect between the passing of this cares act and actually people being able to be helped. Take a listen right now. We're really pushing hard for is to get information hard data about where that money is going and make sure that that money is not just once again in a bail out going to the tree tops but that the money is truly going to the grass roots to the small businesses that both desperately need it and are the real backbone of our economy. You Know Melba you know. I think about the fact that you know back and forth and live in Harlem when I'm when I'm in New York. Businesses like yours are part of the community. They're like part of our family in the community and so it is really irksome to hear that like shake shack which you don't shake shack and Ruth's Chris Gardy got their money but for Your Business. Can you just explain what that means actually on a day-to-day Basis? Because there's rent involved that means a mortgage holder is also involved. There's your staff. Can you just walk us through what that means that? The money's not in your hands right now in your in your account your corporate account. I mean there's so first of all the profit margins on the restaurant are slim to slim to midland there anywhere if you're lucky between seven to fourteen percent so it's not like people restaurants You can't think that we're making a lot a ton of money from this when we do it especially small businesses. We do it. Because of the passion and the love for the industry so they're Marriott of of of different bills and don't forget about fines and payroll is about thirty three to two to forty percent of what you pay and so to keep us going and for us not to have that money in our hands and to see that Ruth Chris. Got Twenty million dollars. I think of the lifeline that that could have been for so many small businesses. I mean that would have saved their business And a Lotta Times like me. These businesses that started out literally with a dollar and a dream that really saved up. That worked in this industry and that started from the bottom into here that some of my friends. My dearest deepest friends are not. We're not funded first of all and I don't know how they're going to come out of this. These are conversations that I have with my peers in the industry on a daily basis. Yeah Dan I'm assuming you were giving an amen to that as well and we put ninety billion dollars of tax cuts for rich people in to this program that was supposed to help small businesses and then we took the billions of dollars to three hundred fifty billion dollars that was supposed to go to businesses like Melba business and we gave it to a bunch of change and so I'm very passionate. The number one thing that we need to do is vote and Change Public Policy. But in the meantime me and everybody at gravity payments were calling businesses like. Melba directly or. We're helping them get set up with online ordering avoid those APPs. Avoid anything. That's GONNA further compression. The compressed the margins or push money to these bigger wealthier companies. We all need to work together and try to help. So in the in the meantime we can all try to buy from those businesses that are open directly not through any third parties who charge huge commissions and then ultimately we need to raise our voice in unison as loud as possible and let the government know we have to prioritize. Our small businesses are frontline businesses. That are keeping people fed like Melba. You know one of my favorite restaurants here in Seattle is a place called pork chop and Co and they were telling me that they feel extremely uncomfortable going to work every day. They don't feel totally safe but they're giving a lot of money to front line workers. They're heroes and I told the person I started crying when I was talking. Because I told the person you are so undervalued and I'll say the same thing the Melba you and your staff are so undervalued. You're doing so much for us and we need the rally behind you. Get behind you and try to get away from Uber. Eats try to get away from. Ruth's Chris can help businesses like Mellberg's and let me just show who's on this on this list of people that Donald Trump has decided his economic re-opening council. It's J. P. Morgan Chase. Eeo Jamie diamond formerly known as the guy used to complain. That Barack Obama was mean because he said that Wall Street tank the economy because they did Tesla's CEO Elon. Musk apple CEO Tim. Cook Mark. Cuban the billionaire who owns the DALLAS. Mavericks Vince McMahon. See of wwe an Andrew that the challenge all of that is that at the end. Even of an Uber eats or of a seamless is some person who is probably making very little money to deliver it to you. It's at every link in this. There's somebody that is not making a lot of money that can be. There's going to be on their face because of this whole thing getting anything. I'm sorry let me let you talk. Andrew no listen. I am a strong believer. That restaurants are the backbone of not only our country. Our in our cities and full economy is not going to recover in less. Our restaurants are at the core of that recovery. And it's not only just needing more money for P P P. We need changes because it's not working for the restaurant industry. We don't know when we're going to be able to reopen and then when we do reopen we don't know what consumer purchasing behavior is going to be like. Are People going to be comfortable going out eating and so what we need to do with the PP into funding it? We need to make sure that we allow that. Loan to be forgivable grand if we hire our staff back by the end of the year not by the end of you as a ball currently requires and we need more than twenty five percent of that loan to be able to go to rent and utilities because in high rent places like New York City. Twenty five percent is not going to cut it. We need people like Melba and others at the table in all of government saying this is what we as small business owners need to build our economy and rebuild our nation. Yeah I'M GONNA I'M GONNA end. We are out of time but I have to say before I go and I apologize that we're out of time but I have to say Happy Birthday Melba secret knowledge that happy birthday. Happy Birthday my friend. God bless and Inc thank you all for being on. We'll have you guys. All these guys. Congress listened to them all right. Melville Wilson and Reggie and my campaign manager. Dan Price Joe Biden gets the best endorsement. There is stay with us. Many of you seen hours and hours and hours and hours of Donald Trump giving his daily briefings that are ostensibly about the corona virus response. But which more often are made up of attacks. On Journalists Democratic governor was insufficiently praised him and science itself which you may not have seen. This week was his predecessor. President Barack Obama. Give his endorsement for who he thinks should occupy the White House next his right hand man and a bf Joe Biden. It's a powerful moving message that we would like to now play for you in its entirety. Hi everybody let me start by saying the obvious. These aren't normal times as we all manage our way through a pandemic unlike anything we've seen in a century Michelle and. I hope that you and your families are safe. And well if you've lost somebody to this virus or if someone in your life is sick or if you're one of the millions suffering economic hardship. Please know that you're in our prayers. Please know that you're not alone. Because now's the time for all of us to help where we can and to be there for each other as neighbors as co workers and his fellow citizens in fact over the past weeks. We've seen plenty of examples of the kind of courage kindness and selflessness. We're GONNA need to get through one of the most difficult times in our history. Michelle and I have been amazed at the incredible bravery of our medical professionals who are putting their lives on the line to save others the public servants and health officials battling this disease the workers taking risks every day to keep our economy running and everyone. Who's making their own sacrifice at home with their families. All for the greater good but if there's one thing we've learned as a country from moments of great crisis it's the spirit of looking out for one another can't be restricted to our homes our workplaces where our neighborhoods or our houses of worship. It also has to be reflected in our national government the kind of leadership that's guided by knowledge and experience honesty and humility empathy and grace that kind of leadership doesn't just belong in our state capitals and mayor's offices it belongs in the White House and that's why I'm so proud to endorse Joe Biden for president of the United States. Choosing JOE TO BE MY VICE. President was one of the best decisions I ever made and he became a close friend and I believe Joe has all the qualities we need in a president right now. He someone who's own life has taught him how to persevere how to bounce back when you've been knocked down. Joe Talks with parents who've lost their jobs. We hear the son of a man who wants new the pain of having to tell his children that he'd lost his job talks about opportunity for our kids. We hear the young father who took the train home each night so he could tuck his children into bed. And we hear the influence of Jill a lifelong teacher. When Joe Talks to families who've lost a hero we hear another parent of an American veteran a kindred spirit somebody whose faith has endured hardest lost there is. That's Joe all his trials. He's never once forgotten the values or the moral fiber that his parents passed onto him and the made him who he is. That's what steals this faith in God in America and in all of us. That steel made him an incredible partner. When I needed one the most Joe was there as we rebuilt from the great recession and rescued the American auto industry. He was the one asking. What every policy would do for the middle class and everyone's striving to get into the middle class. That's why I asked him to implement the Recovery Act which saved millions of jobs and got people back on their feet because job get stuff done. Joe Help Me Manage. H One n one and prevent the epidemic from becoming the type of pandemic. We're seeing now. He helped me restore America's standing leadership in the world on the other threats of our time like nuclear proliferation and climate change. Joe Has the character and the experience to guide us through one of our darkest times and helius through a long recovery. And I know he'll surround himself with good people. Experts scientists military officials who actually know how to run the government and care about doing a good job running the government and know how to work with our allies and who will always put the American people's interests above their own. Now Joe will be a better candidate for having run the gauntlet of primaries and caucuses alongside one of the most impressive democratic fields ever each of our candidates were talented and decent with a track record of accomplishment smart ideas and seriously visions for the future. And that's certainly true. The candidate who made it farther than any other Bernie Sanders birdies an American original a man who has devoted his life to giving voice to working. People's hopes dreams and frustrations and I haven't always agreed on everything but we've always shared a conviction that we have to make America a fairer more just more equitable society. We both know that nothing is more powerful than millions of voices calling for change and the ideas. He's championed the energy and enthusiasm. He inspired especially in young. People will be critical in moving American a direction of progress and help because for the second time in twelve years. We'll have the incredible task of rebuilding our economy and to meet the moment the Democratic Party will have to be bold. You know I could not be prouder the incredible progress that we made together during my presidency. But if I were running today I wouldn't run the same race or have the same platform as I did. In two thousand eight. The world is different. There's too much unfinished business for us to just look backwards. We have to look to the future. Bernie understands that and Joe understands that. It's one of the reasons that Joe already has. What is the most progressive platform of any major party nominee in history because even before the pandemic turned the world upside down? It was already clear that we needed real structural change. The vast inequalities created by the new economy are easier to see now but they existed long before this pandemic hit health professionals teachers delivery drivers grocery clerks cleaners. The people who truly make our economy run. They've always been essential and for years too. Many of the people who do the essential work of this country have been underpaid financially stressed and given too little support and that applies to the next generation of Americans young people graduating into unprecedented unemployment. They're going to need economic policies. That give them faith in the future and give them relief from crushing student. Loan debt. So we need to do more than just tinker around the edges with tax credits or under funded programs. We have to go further to give everybody a great education a lasting career and a stable retirement. We have to protect the gains. We made with the affordable care act. But it's also time to go further. We should make plans affordable for everyone provide everyone with a public option expand medicare and finish the job so that healthcare isn't just a right but a reality for everybody we have to return the US to the Paris Agreement lead the world in reducing the pollution that causes climate change. Science tells us we have to go much further. But it's time for us to accelerate progress on bold new green initiatives that make our economy a clean energy innovator save us money and secure our children's future of course. Democrats may not always agree on every detail of the best way to bring about each and every one of these changes but we do agree that there needed and that only happens if we win this election because one thing everybody has learned by now is that the Republicans occupying the White House and running the. Us Senate are not interested in progress. They're interested in power. They've shown themselves willing to kick millions off their health insurance and eliminate pre existing condition protections for millions more even in the middle of this public health crisis even as they're willing to spend a trillion dollars on tax cuts for the wealthy they've given polluters unlimited power to poison our air and our water and denied the science of climate change just as they denied the science of pandemics repeatedly disregarded American principles of rule of law and voting rights and transparency basic norms that previous administrations observed regardless of party principles. That are the bedrock of our democracy so our country's future hangs on this election and it won't be easy. The other side has a massive war chest. The other side has a propaganda network with little regard for the truth on the other hand. Pandemics have a way of cutting through a lot of noise and spent to remind us of what is real and what is important. This crisis has reminded us that government matters. It's reminded us that good government matters that facts and science matter that the rule of law matters that having leaders who are informed and honest and seek to bring people together rather than drive them apart those kinds of leaders matter in other words elections matter right now we need Americans of goodwill to unite in a great awakening against a politics. That too often has been characterized by corruption carelessness. Self-dealing disinformation ignorance and just plain meanness and to change that. We need Americans of all political stripes to get involved in our politics and our public life like never before for those of us who believe in building a more just more generous more democratic America where everybody has a fair shot at opportunity for those of us who believe in a government that cares about the many not just the few for those of us who love this country and are willing to do our part to make sure it lives up to its highest ideals. Now's the time to fight for what we believe in. So join us. Join Joe go to Joe Biden Dot Com right now. Make a plan for how you are going to get involved. Keep taking care of yourself and your families and each other keep believing in the possibility of a better world and I will see you on the campaign trail as soon as I can. Thanks. Y'All is it not amazing. To hear an intelligent epithet empathetic presidential man. The the president. I mean that's amazing Sunday. So it's okay to say Amen appreciate you all being here today. Hey It's Chris. As this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with computational biologist Carl Bergstrom but what we do and don't know about the corona virus once these things get out there and this is sort of a key aspect of misinformation and disinformation is the ones that are out there. They really take off and they spread in so Jonathan Swift Said several hundred years ago that falsehood flies and truth comes limping after. And that's what happens on the Internet. Of course there's more recent version of this which is known as Brandolini symmetry principle and it says the amount of work that it takes to clean up his an order of magnitude larger than the amount of work it takes to create it so we definitely see that sort of thing happening with all kinds of conspiracy theories including this one around the virus. That's this week on. Why is this happening search for wise happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe?

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I know we're just playing around and hence enhance hats super troopers <hes> so housekeeping of what's been geeky this past week week. I had eggos earlier eggos. I haven't even seen those things in like forever. I remember that was a big thing but they're not even that big of a deal. No reason i got them because i saw them in like stranger things. I'm like i should have egos again because why not heartless that just as a relevant reason alone you know just saw it on t._v. So i think i'll eat it. Yeah exactly not a whole hell of a lot. Actually it's kinda quiet over here. I've been watching a lot of tv. I really got into the show called drugs. Inc wow drugs are frigging scary that oh my god like this show makes america look like the worst place on earth like this philadelphia. Here's a crack dead. Welcome welcome to portland is also a meth capital where the cartels rule that oh my god well. I don't want to go anywhere like ninety. Percent of that. Show is just in baltimore. It's kind of what you expect. Scary scared it's t._v. And this isn't geeky but it's weird but i saw this me and it made me laugh so much and this week was the mtv video video music awards which had no rock bands or screw them we that's that's still a thing. They still exist. Yeah i still care. I thought they were just reruns of reality reality shows and degrassi so for some reason ice tea comes out and starts rapping so that's cool but here's what the meam said. There's an entire generation wondering why detective to twelve from law and order s._v._u. Is wrapping right now and i think what they're not wrong. Because the last time you had a rap record was what like ninety five and then like a while i mean people probably know how to count his his the heavy metal group which is hilarious too because the thing about how many people that would have pissed off when he first started doing like heavy metal music when he was like a rapper for twenty years that was about the d.c is thing i've been going out as weird random documentary type shows and i've we've been watching documentaries on youtube today. I really need to watch a lot more john carpenter movies. I i was just i just watched a little video on in the mouth of madness and i forgot how much i love that movie. That's his last pretty much everything after that was i thought vampires was okay but it felt it was it was like half a movie ended. <hes> same with ghosts of mars was stupid. Oh it's hilariously stupid and <hes> was the children of the damned or the damned. I can't watch that because because i know like right after that is when chris revert himself right so and it was just not a cake movie but yeah like that that whole period from like i'm not a big fan of halloween. I mean you know who can't believe i said that ooh but <hes> everything he did from the thing onward christine and all that <hes> from nineteen eighteen eighty to ninety four he was like the king of eighty s modern. I'm saying in quotes <hes> horror thrillers right where he wrote his own music music performed his own music wrote. The scripts directed shot. A lot of the stuff himself edited the film. He's basically like tarantino or robert rodriguez twenty years before them yeah like it was just really neat going back over his back catalogue and also realizing how much i really enjoy other things that he's done. I i think one of my favorite movies that he did was prince of darkness. I don't know why i liked that movie. I just really do it because it's the church working with scientists and just try to solve the problem and then was at alice cooper plays the <hes> king of the hobo people or something that is possessed yeah yeah it was so just weird it was and that's the only way i can describe that we it's it's weird but <hes> yeah you should watch some of the stuff on youtube. I also saw something today as well. It was a i guess it was a youtube documentary but it was talking about like the genre of slasher films. I saw this weird thing because what they used to do back in the day is if they wanted a certain movie to get popular with video rental stores way way back when they had v._h._s. They'd send a promo tape to the store and they'd have one or two of the actors talking to you the video store owner saying hi. I'm arnold schwarzenegger this year terminator two or something like that this robert england as freddie for part three. I've never seen that the term to on his fantastic with robert patrick patrick when they talk about how was it the videos were two hundred fifty dollars a piece <hes> but if you bought four you got for your story new for rentals right and they had a program like explaining to store owners how once you're done with your rentals they will send and you stickers to put on to show that it's a used copy that you can sell like it was a new concept in one thousand nine hundred a lot of mom and pop shops for doing that but like it was like the first first time blockbuster started doing that stuff and they're like it'd be aggressively priced at one hundred dollars for the tape a hundred on like like up here one hundred dollars then would have been like one hundred and eighty for a single gave the most i ever paid was i picked up when i was first getting v._h._s. Tapes new. I was like twelve. I'd use like birthday money. I picked up snake eyes. That's a nicholas cage movie from nineteen ninety seven or eight and i picked up. I was like oh it's thirty nine ninety nine but that was like a regular price in the mid nineties but it was like thirty nine or i found a tape for ten bucks. I'm like oh it's the same movie letterbox and it was like nobody wanted to the letterbox copies. Even though you've got to see more on the screen so that's when i started figuring out what the difference between widescreen and full screen was because the wide screen stuff was cheaper even though it was technically superior and then i think picked the paid like thirty five dollars for remember those s. l. e. tapes like the super low quality ones yeah a two pack to pack of terminator two was like thirty five bucks s. l. p. moat note or it would have been this is like ninety five and of course as rated r. but i walk in and i'm like seven or eight and they're like we don't care fix but like it would have been for for the eskimo. The regular tapes it would have cost an arm and leg would have been like two hundred dollars on the only other thing i can think of from that time period that picked up was a video store with selling off their their. I think i paid three dollars for dolph. Lundgren movie called. I think here it was called. I come in peace. Yes audit mike mike copy. The tape was the european copy print which was the director's cut was called dark angel so when you pop it in and says dark angel i come in peace and at the the end of the tape it actually had to stay tuned for special features and it was all like the interviews with all the directors and stuff and i was like wait. There's there's more stuff on these tapes like 'cause you know before d._v._d.'s everybody is used to special features now rate but it used to be you had trailers. The beginning of that was it well special editions would put put like an extra ten or twenty minutes of features at the end so that was like my introduction to a special anything because now we take it for granted. I remember when i discovered certain movies had <hes> secret endings to him after watching them in that realizing that so you know if you'd stayed longer it's oh there's another ending wayne's world or astor's of the universe with with frigates kaldor pops at the end yeah like i i'd say fierce buehler's probably people i didn't know about that one either but fierce buehler's probably one of the first times people even thought about staying through the credits but people now everybody just sort of feels weird when a movie ends and it doesn't have a little thing at the end. I blame marvel for that. It is marvel's fall so moving on a little bit <hes> although it's not that far different direction but the question for next week is which will answer next week depending on who decides to show up for the thing although everybody's invited <hes> loaded question here but what what do you think about movie franchises in that <hes> are they all trying too hard to create universes are some best left in the past as you know trilogies or what do you think think when they change the status quo either by misdirection in trailers or taking characters back to their corporate playgrounds such as like the whole spiderman debacle. That's going on that. That's it's a loaded question but i'm looking for people put in there. That's going to be one. We have a lot to talk about edward semi here next week for sure so yes i decided to bring back the listener questions because that's when we get feedback and topics i saw last week i said what do you look forward to geek news now with all the latest going on and kind of mentioned the whole thing of late <hes> kevin conroy playing bruce wayne and the c._w. And and you know the whole sony disney debacle on the new human revival and the matrix for a plethora of other geeky news going on any of that resonate. I'm interested in matrix for only because it has been twenty years and although it seems like they pretty pretty definitively ended the matrix trilogy gee with revolutions however with i think it's lana wachowski or or as lilly i'm not sure one of the which skis and one of them way to say it so has said they're coming back to write and be involved in the sequel and they got back act keanu reeves and carry on moss new trinity though they haven't mentioned anything about laurence fishburne so i don't know what they're going to do. My guess guesses it'll be a previous version of the matrix where they try and find a younger morpheus or something because i know they wanted to talk to michael b jordan about a reboot at one point but i guess i'd rather have a continuation. That'd be really weird going back and finding a younger morpheus. I could see though it could. It'd be cool especially because you could say the machines cap the digital backup of their residual self image in the matrix servers so even though they're flesh bodies are dead. They can upload their consciousness to a new body so they're never truly gone. That's okay if that's the road. I'm cool with that. It's lazy but it's cool. I'll deal with it other than that's <hes>. Uh-huh i'm looking forward to a lot of the disney plus stuff like i know right now. There's a ridiculous deal. Where if you buy two years you get the third year for free basically basically but not available in canada because why not but we still get the service on november twelfth so i don't care i'm looking forward to the man to lorient a lot like a serious lodge well. It looks like versus like it looks like they're going. They're going for a more mature audience than they do with the main series yeah exactly. I've always loved that seedy underbelly i mean we saw a little bit of it. In empire strikes back. They talked about it a little bit in shadows of the empire which was like a book series of comic book and video game so i'm cool. That's interesting to me so far far. What about you alex. I'm going. It's almost i don't know i the matrix tricks i i don't see a need to do another one <hes> other than <hes> keno super hot right now so m or maybe as i'm psyched for the terminator movie which which by the way like thirty seconds ago they released a press release that there's another trailer out for the final one. There's a new poster to yeah so i will be watching that after this now. If we're looking at things what's the question again things that are coming out right now or continuing franchises or or well that was that was a different topic. Yeah yeah i was gonna say was yeah. It was more so the while this is just a question of last week was <hes> looking forward to like the different geek news coming on okay yeah yeah so i. I think we're getting overloaded. Sometimes now with things i mean it's a nice change of pace from a lot of the stuff if it's happening in the real world so you're going to that one out hey yes so so other than that i i'm happy with what comes out but it almost seems like the more we feed ourselves with this information the faster it comes the more we expect it to come. It's almost like a drug. We want more more more and more used to be. We were insanely happy. When a new batman movie was announced or when i don't oh care or it's like oh spider-man's back or there's there's another x. men and now we're like okay like i'm more excited to see franchises that we haven't tapped <hes> you know to death sony's like whenever an announcement from sony comes out about the valiant comic book a universe just like they got bloodshot coming out. I think in february with vin diesel i nothing on that it's but it's got a firm release date so i don't won't because everybody's focusing on spiderman right now yeah so it's interesting because they people are forgetting that they don't necessarily like they. We need spiderman but they're not focusing on the fact that they have contingency plans in place with other comic book companies to have their universe is brought out so it all depends on how it's handled. If it's handled well in you have a franchise an entire comic brand that ninety nine percent of even the comic book users or have a tertiary knowledge of their so. It's like this isn't like a case where the excellent we got burnt out. Because how many more stories can we tell that we you know they touched base on all the major stories from every single you know era and it's like well what are they. What can they do now other than reboot it while they rebooted or try to turns out to be crap and nobody cares back yeah well again with the dark phoenix yeah which is which was hilariously terrible infuriated me when i saw it in theaters now again. I got to see it for free because of a movie theater screw up so i was it was it was so infuriating that i wanted my money back back and i saw it for free so it works it was it was mutant x the t._v. Show if they made a two hour movie and we're thrown thrown a whole bunch of money for no reason that's horrible in fact some of the show some of the special effects in their looked about as bad as that they they were getting taken over. Oh yeah i mean it's the same reason why they tanked dubar like all their releases the summer radio not that just came out fantastic movie super fantastic movie very very little press. They're not doing disney's letting letting everything that fox made die. That isn't like star wars or or yeah yeah like if if if it's not something that's gonna make them a billion. They're not bothering and it's kinda sad. It's like we're not funding this anymore. Senator crap back to the big. Hey sometimes it can be something petty like hey all. These films were produced by people that we didn't hire so we're just going to let them fall apart and then we're gonna build up from scratching pretty much <hes>. I don't know if you guys noticed they when they released the the rise of skywalker trailer you're in the s i know how the whole trailer plays out but <hes> there's there's a funny scene at the end where <hes> kylo in ray you're fighting on like something in the middle of the ocean or something like fighting part of one of the ships or something in the middle of the ocean and they showed kylo with his cape cape and everything but if you look at the reflection on the ground there's no kate o. Finished its unfinished c._g._i. Thing in the in the everybody's they are they going to are you think they're actually going to fix it in the final movie but here's the thing i've seen this happen before floors well. I remember i saw a couple days ago. Angels fallen and there was like a busload old people in there with me like i mean like a busload they all came in one's like thirty of them all like in their eighties nineties. Some of them were in world war. Two right so the trailer for midway comes up the movie about world war two and i hear boos there be audibly booing the special effects and like it looks bad like pearl harbor from twenty years ago look ten times better. This looks like a video game c._g._i. From like like you know a good a good playstation two game. It's horrible like like you know. Those bargain games like was ill. Sturm victorino's wants us to see the p._s. Three games that you get for like two bucks letter were simulators. It's like that and it's flying and one old guy behind me just yells out. I flew planes and korea planes. Don't fly like that and it's like oh. You didn't even didn't get that right like that. Rolling emmerick the guy that does all the disaster movies like an his day twenty twelve day after tomorrow and all like at least michael bay works with the military to get them to look right but this looked bad and i'm like like eighty five and ninety year old people are saying this looks bad had it's bad and then i you know i mentioned it on a disk group chat with some people. They said oh. They're probably gonna fix it in post them like a before. The movie comes out. I'm like why would you even make the trailer if the old people are noticing how bad it is. Who's this movie for like if old people say they don't wanna relive. They don't wanna relive a time in their life that they hated so so. Why would they watch it. I mean maybe it's made for american. Veterans are different than than canadian veterans in that sense. Maybe there's more rah rah america mirka. Yeah yeah like there might be a lot of those people if it's really realistic. They don't want to relive that. That's gonna give him flashbacks. Young people aren't gonna watch it because it looks like crap. It's got good actors in it. It's it's got decent cinematography but if the special effects look like they're twenty five years old and the trailer who's gonna bother going to see the movie when it's actually finished. I guess i'd almost eggs to to dimension whether <hes> we're kind of getting on that like heavy c._g._i. Trained in just trying to pump out the most crap that we can instead of putting out you know less it kind of goes back to that that phrase of less is more having practical effects and kind of trying to actually eddie research instead of just trying to be the lowest common denominator in this movement costs for when i was looking at a cost the same amount as top gun to the new top gun looks looks fantastic right like again. It's all about who you hire to do it. You're hiring somebody who's known for making schlocky stuff but you're throwing one hundred million dollars in there are more like this movie that midway move easily cost one hundred fifty million so it's like it doesn't make sense well. It's it's again. It's who they're they're catering to like tom. Cruise say what you will about his crazy. Wacky beliefs does not make movies unless he has his hands in fingers in everything he won't make something that looks like crapper sounds like crapper is crap pretty much like i can't even really think of anything he's made in the last twenty years that was truly terrible but then you got people like you know what the house on that but that wasn't his fault that was tampering you because he was finding it but yeah and it was too dark but that's the only missed up. I can think of even their movies. He's made that i wouldn't necessarily watch or like but they're not poorly constructed movies no but i kind of agree with that so a little note to the fans fans if you're enjoying this conversation and you'd like to hear more of it subscribe to the show and all your favorite podcast platforms were all over the place so you can pretty much search search ultra geek wherever i am fairly certain you'll find this there. I've also <hes> installed a plug in that my good friend davis in his award winning agents field fan podcast develops <hes> which is a wordpress plugin for podcasters called smart subscribe plugin which slowly rolling out on the site and what it allows you to do is <hes> you can put all of your subscription feeds but you can also toggle things off depending on what device people are using. It's up there on an device or android device. They won't see <hes> you know like the other platforms that you're on something we could. You do sounds really good yet. It's very nice <hes> i. I just test out because i haven't had a whole lot of time to mess with it. <hes> unguessed radio dot com. When you go to pretty much any of the a link you click on just some random post somewhere. It gives you the opportunity to see in the sidebar. <hes> the the various r._s._s. feeds so right now i have subscribed to podcasts and they have like all transformers altered gig and then it's got you know the basically the the ten different platforms. It's on that that the feature on that you can change the color of it this is you can have a pop up you. Can i mean there's there's a lot of playability ability with it but it's it's super nice and next week. I'll have another hint of another plug in that he came up with. That's pretty cool too because i'm going to attempt that out on the next. Week's episode forces people to listen because once we have that algorithm down where we got it made. You know we're coming for you. Joe rogan <hes> yeah. That would be great wouldn't it you know having something. That's like subliminal before. Forces people will listen to or or forces at minimum ten percent of the listeners. <hes> give feedback to yeah ghassem. Yes speaking of feedback i have. I have a partial solution to that one in the next episode so i'll let you get <unk> before <hes> <unk> a whole listener since suspense because i don't have it installed yet <hes> so anyways <hes> listener feedback for last week's episode road brad mentions that thanks to mike's statements about stranger things. He's gonna give it another shot. <hes> as the premise sounds good take my issue might be well a child of the eighties. I didn't say a lot of those films growing up so doesn't <unk> resonate in he says i disliked transports bumblebee which actually was awesome. Some of it is the best one even like followed. My brother saw it and he's a child of the nineties never really watched like he was significantly younger. The he watched them and just like objectively. He's like this is a better made movie. It is it is michael. Bay have launched the series and gotten it. You you know to to get rid of it. It definitely needed that evolution his movies never he's movies are technically superior probably but they never have the same amount of heart. They didn't hurt but they were popcorn movies. That's about as far as they go <hes> but yet. He says he's not really going along with the feel invested in actors not his his own age or similar. <hes> can't follow kid storylines anymore or streaming services. I it's fatigue or just. How do they won. Expect us to watch everything we wanna watch into a four data between low you know netflix and tv catchup apps by week of t._v. Viewing already longer than i have the time to commit disney is the one i'd consider getting depending on how it works here in australia solely because of the back catalogue subscription sites is we talked about oh that too. He says my local newspaper has always been free to view online. The physical paper costs dollar fifty and whatnot but it puts now. They put a subscription on it. You can only read the first sentence the article when you have to pay two dollars episode to read and i hate that sites that people find other ways other websites will aggregate information uncharitable. There's nothing you can really do about that like they're not only that now and that's and that's why i refused to do any of that kind of crap content because it's <music> lake bayton switch like it's it's so crap one thing about a cable package nowadays. If you want live tv you're spending fifty bucks when you you can do it that fifty bucks you can subscribe to four different services like you get net flicks you netflix who in the states netflix hulu amazon john and disney and save ten dollars and have all the content. You could possibly want because if you don't have time to watch like if you doesn't have time to watch all that stuff well then. He doesn't have time to watch live anyway so matter that you're watching it. You know it's basically like having a peavey are that you can watch whenever you want and if you have amazon in canada at least i don't know if they haven't estates for like seven nine. You have a program called stacks with at where you if you're a prime member you get up to twenty channels alive t._v. Anyway even and local broadcast stuff a couple of companies so there's packages that you can do that to save a lot of money so you don't have to get like shudder and fundation you pick pick and choose the ones you want like. Give yourself a fifty dollar budget. If that's if you really want to consume that much or do what most people do most people like their family member will by net flicks. Get the highest here one which is like the sixteen or twenty dollar one and allows up to four people to log in at the same time in the end. It's it's supposed to be for family so you could share that cost aust amongst three or four people and you're only paying five bucks so you can do that with an amazon prime. Does that as well so you can have up to two or three people. I think all the exact same sometime so if you're smart about this for twenty dollars a month you could have four or five services that you share amongst your entire family totally and <hes> skinner fifty one says great episode with me and he's a guys wanna say that the last few shows great love hearing both mike and birdman on the show well no. He's getting at other flavors because alex is here so yeah spicy alex spicy. I hear steve making notes for wednesday. Do that that that's yeah that's because he wants to have tire bernard from old macdonald's farm. I'm i want to take the throne away from blanchard. I wanna be the swear word king. I i can hear the notes being taken down and i don't want her. You don't want to hurt anybody <music> tirades so he says i wanna talk about something as i've said in the past aissa by got a few the ones i pay for out of my pocket or google play music w._w._e. In the d._c. You <hes> siriusxm in primer paid for by our main credit card. I don't feel a two fifteen by the three and a half but then again it's only three and i'm having to report the neither of those services said idol. They're almost always news right now d._c. You one might be the best bang for my buck giving me twenty twenty thousand available comics to read. He says my wife is leaning towards getting the bundled package for disney plus hulu and e._s._p._n. Will see also think thanks for still answering emails some podcasts. I listened to have gone to patrons. Only get answers format. Guess tube yeah. That's just like inner. Stand like here's the thing if it's the if you're going to answer questions only on on <hes> for patrons it should be for episodes that are only available to patrons pretty much like if you have bonus content like it's like ask us questions here and then pay us five dollars. A month is like no no no no no. That's not how that works. If you have questions regarding content that is already behind a paywall then you can do it that way yeah it's i. I'm of the same opinion like i i honestly i hate that because i like your show means nothing if you're not getting feedback well and the people that tried to do that like an average podcast or like if you're starting out you might only have you might have zero listeners listeners. You might have ten you might have twenty but like it. It only works to do that sort of pay wall when you're like any the people running those a lot of the pro wrestling podcasts from former w._w._e. People there in the hundred thousand a week or one hundred and fifty thousand or you hit <hes> like joe rogan where he can't answer any stuff because he's literally got five or six million downloads a week over over the course of nine hours of podcasting that he does a week so there's a point where you can get too big to do it or or you can only do it for specific people that do pay because it's like you'd be inundated with so many questions. You can't answer them so the sweet spot would probably be like it'd be nice if you had like that hundred thousand mark of people listening to you because you can still answer people's questions then because only one percent of people are really going going to ask questions anyway so if you get one hundred questions a week that might be too to much and you can usually you can find a way to answer that but like a good round number be like it'd be nice to have ten or fifteen people asking something every week because you could make an entire program out of that exactly and that's and that's what i like plus the back and forth like uuh although they may not be on the air with you it almost feels that way when you could have that conversation based on their feedback and i feel like you lose that if you start to kind of stonewall these people one prevent them from interacting with your show lights out of a money thing you know and i just i. I don't know it just rubs me wrong. It's not something i would do even if i got bigger. That's not something i would do. Yeah like certain content. I feel should always be free. I don't know i've got a i'm not a big big fan of patriotic right. Now i mean i've subscribed to maybe three people and it's less than ten bucks a month. I don't mind that to me. It'd be better if you had what was that one coffee or something where you can just give tip now and then if they like you that's the sort of thing is a little better <hes> like as it is most podcast. I'm gonna say probably ninety nine percent some of them out there. Don't make any money even off of <hes> ads. They're making enough just to break even and that's what most people want to do. It's a hobby if this is going to be your business and you're gonna make and you and you really start making big money with it. <hes> you don't need patron. If you're at a point where you're getting paid sponsorships all the time you don't oh you don't eat them at all so they only literally the only reason for that is pure greed yeah and and that's the thing is like i just i don't. I don't agree with like charging people for things. That's kind of gives like myself can't afford to support some of my favorite creators so like it. It's kind of i would rather support them in have to here like some kind of a dynamic ad insertion or some you know library that's under show rather than half to fork over money out of my own pocket and just kind of my l. mentality on it but i feel like that's the easier way to go where you're not hurting their pocketbook and the other thing too is like there are other ones out there where i do think that it's a it's a worthy thing to have like <hes> the other stuff that mike and i are involved in with a terrible warriors right they have patrons <hes> but what that does that that lets you interact and actually play games with people to <hes>. It's a way to also keep the server costs running so you're at a point where if it self of sustaining and keeping running i understand that if you're not getting <hes> adds another way or you don't want to place ads and something because it could it could be very detrimental to the type of programming. You're doing right right like there are certain shows especially. If you're doing like we're on twitter we will do <hes> commentaries we watch along with us on on like move of your some weird that we do and when we do that <hes> those are ones where we don't want ads to go anywhere in dynamic inserted into the mid rolls or anything you don't want anything because it can break up the pace of the entire program so i i can see where some people would to avoid that might go with a like a patron hm type system then you could do almost like a you know have heavily regular content for for free and then do like you know your commentaries is like one of those very dramatic on or something that you really commentary. You're not recording the the actual audio of the program technically you can even have it as a digital download. If you're if you're asking money for every single time you you go out in the show like if you're like i'm i'm somebody who i like twitch and everything but you're twitch and mixer and things like that. They're only a couple steps away from basically basically being a cam girl or cam guy where where you're you're you're begging for money and in the way i love how they all like so lake physically and enthusiastically. Thank you so much when they donated money and it's like really if i'm going in five bucks the that girl better be doing something something or that guy better be doing something. I ask in this ridiculous. I it's something about just just like when i see those people act like fools like if you're if you're being genuine about it and just being like oh thanks so much man like a- or thanks so much. That's one thing but it's when it's when you go way over the top with it because because what you're doing then is you're trying. You're manipulating people that you know especially when it's people that were the pay all the time like the like you you. You're playing with people's minds making them like you're trying to prop up to make them sound like they did something really good by giving you money and at that point. You're not much better than a tv preacher if you're just there just to scam people out of money <hes> but then again it's the person's choice if they're generally entertaining they wanna continue to contribute which again that's perfectly fine but it's the same thing with like luke boxes and games. There's a point where at what point is is it an addiction. You're feeding a bitch really giving you their entire paycheck because they they think they have a relationship with you or something. Yeah we'll see as a problem. Didn't you see the thing recently that lucrative or whatever it is was was filed bankruptcy. Yeah they filed chapter. Eleven eleven bankruptcy a couple of weeks ago and they go twenty million dollar. They have to ship twenty million dollars. Worth of material they owe six million dollars in back taxes and the ocean more money all over the place. Even their credit card processor pulled out because they were afraid they would get hit with charge. Z don't do that until like six months out so they were tanking and didn't say anything to anybody. Yeah like something is wrong me. We had a a service up here in canada called nerd block and they went under under similar ways. They were owned people money all over the place. They weren't shipping crates to uh. No i think they just simply just took their ball and went home. I don't know anything more about that particular situation but i think that a lot of that has to do with the fact that one they were one they were trying to sell this cheap package subscription service which obviously it was not paying off for them but diminishing returns in the beginning it was cool. Here's a t shirt. Here's a toy. Here's some cool chomsky's. You can't get it anywhere else. Here's a button bundling a bunch of extra crap in it that just nobody cared about. It was just garbage stuff that like honestly if i was going to subscribe to it i would be offended to get half the items that were in there other than maybe the t shirt that one goal in those reversible hats and stuff they showed up at our dollar tree here for twenty five canadian and and they were not good quality. They're kind of cool to have but the other thing to consider anybody. That was an international buyer got raped on the the the fees like it was twenty bucks. It would be forty dollars to ship it u._s. So that twenty dollar box per month ends up being eight hundred dollars canadian i did it once of when the ghostbusters two thousand sixteen movie came out and the boxers fifty bucks. I pay thirty thirty dollars in shipping the only thing i have left from that boxes. I have the replica proton pack and have the ghostbusters rug. That's it ten. The thing is and that's not including if you get hit with custom fees and that's just canada. There are people in england in australia that we're trying to buy them and that's like five times the price so they said they were worldwide shipper. Oh yeah they'll ship worldwide you know and at that point i'm not paying that kind of money for a t shirt <hes> <hes> it just doesn't make any sense especially for the crap that they were peddling near the end. Yeah it's at no. I just he's something something about like those boxes. Just i never really got into them in so they. They didn't really resonate so it was kind of funny to me that seeing that all of a sudden oh they're getting bankruptcy like it's not fun for the people losing their jobs if the people that get in are having to wait on these items that they paid for but i never saw those boxes lasting long. It's weird how many different services and one's popped up in their wake. I mean there were some health food ones which are pretty cool. There's like there's like ones that are different candies from around the world. The ones that the ones that will survive are the ones that are to a very specific audience the wrestling one mike go because there's those fans are rabid <hes> all of the ones where it's like japanese candies and stuff. We'll go because food last. It just goes better for that kind of service. <hes> <hes> the naturebox will be there like harry's or are a dollar shave dollarshaveclub box certain ones that were survived because people don't want to have to go buy those those things like with the shaving one's you're saving a trip to the grocery store to the pharmacy so and they're cheaper so i understand those those fit in an envelope that just regular with a male and they're like under ten bucks so that makes perfect sense and i think in canada the only pay two dollars for shipping on some of those so that makes sense but even look at <hes> like humble humble bundle was fantastic. The first two years every single bundle came with a t shirt at the highest here for thirty bucks worldwide worldwide shipping for free. I got some pretty neat like sank the hedgehog t shirts and different things that are there that you can't get anywhere else. I even got a they had a bundle. The last good one was i think saving the gorillas in the rainforest per jane goodall and you actually for paying the thirty or forty dollars you got it. It shows you that you had paid for all the inoculations and food for an entire year for at gorilla and you've got a picture of the individual gorilla that you save and a little stuffed an with an a card you know with a you know a little note on you know thanking you for everything. That's cool now. It's all crap ever since they were bought by augean. It's like six bundles week or every other week and they're all garbage like it's all stupid soffer. You don't get anything physical anymore and so what's the point. I think the last good one i had from humble bundle is where you got the old world of darkness source books you think you could you got a yes. Yeah okay sorry. I i did get the d._n._c. Ones i still buy those occasionally because they're cheaper than going through drive thru r._p._g. So you can get those but other than that like i. I'm not spending thirty dollars for digital copies of books or or games like and they run the same bundles over and over again with a couple of different games. It's like it's not the same and they wonder why people aren't buying it as much because you're not giving away anything good. It's the same thing that happened with lucrative the same thing that happened with any other subscription service when they get lazy. They wonder why they're not selling yeah. I remember with luke create. They kept pushing in this month's halo reach that game came out like two thousand ten or they'd push the like other game bundles and it was so weird like that never seemed topical like it's never like hey here's a borderlands one or hey. Here's a power rangers won. It was always just really weird. Random licensed properties or they give you like those really stupid. David mighty mug figure type things whatever they could liquidate from somebody who couldn't sell stuff last year pretty much. It's it was all garbage either way like i just i couldn't stand it so that's why i never subscribe to any of them at twenty bucks okay but at forty you're asking a lot. It's not to mention fortieth forty u._s. again for anybody up here. It was never going to be worth it. I think even right now amazon is doing to you more smugglers bounties which is star wars loot box and then they're thrown in the towel mm-hmm. Yeah i can definitely see that <hes> that that kind of going away anyway so i think we'll move onto the last this topic. I'm going to skip some of the other ones just for time. The notes late where you guys are skipping the <hes> the laser beak one because it looks really cool. No one we're going to do because i went stomachs funny then we're gonna go to the star trek conversation but <hes> no michael wilson <hes> who's been on a lot of the radio programs uh-huh <hes> he says i have no idea what this is but i'm pretty sure spotted laser be on top of this gas station and then he takes a picture and under the closer picture and it looks like laser beak. It looks like it's a a a ventilation system with the with the hatch open and some other air conditioner and it's one hundred percent laser. It'd be like i i would be terrified. I'm just i us yeah like i'm just waiting for the music to do to to did it to uh laser. Be all laser does unlike some of my other warriors. You never fail. Oh oh god we can go for the next seventy minutes. If you want reciting every single line we could even give stage directions or if you if you really want like some. Some of my other is never fair me. Half frank welker is awesome. I mean the next line would be to go into into star screen but i don't think we want to record voice like that yeah. I don't wanna do that this late. There's too many people sleeping in my house. The people seem into my apartment building. You'll make you'll make the voice and then we'll hear in the background will hear your wife. Just you're done where you're going. What are you doing. You're scaring the children. You're playing with your friends anymore. Go to bed your friend. Privileges discontinued good day and you're sleeping even on the couch fifty for you lose. You lose all right so how your wife willie woke okay. I was actually i was in my mind was picturing the guy that runs the door and the wizard of oz with the curly mustache just happen to be your wife. She doesn't have a last dash so i know but i mean she could she can you you could give her one. I guess make yeah anyway yes. That's where the conversations going at twelve forty in the morning our time yes. It's ten forty times. I'm still very coherent so anyways the new track there's possibilities of a new star trek with pike's enterprise. Which would you guys be for that. Yes let me get through what we got on our plate. Have it's now now mike. Have you caught up yet. I'm on episode ten of discovery season two episode ted. I still okay okay. The last two like the last two episodes might stomach might be the most impressive special effects. I've seen in for television ever. It's for first base battle lake. We're talking game of thrones. Level of game of thrones is in space yeah there. There's slate. There's purging of characters. There's explosions. There's yeah thank you would not expect back like ten years ago. When battle star galactica had their final battling. You're like why wasn't the best but you're like wow. There's like a hundred things on screen at once. There's like ten thousand things happening at once. There's there's there's the little <hes> starfleet pods and then all the section thirty one like pods. All little drones like drones. It's it's crazy easy. You know in star wars episode three the very beginning where they have the big space battle. <hes> is like that only even more stuff going on. Oh it's crazy honestly like it is <hes> the nice thing is actually could use pike's enterprise in star trek online <hes> <hes> with those features with those drones. Oh and you can send eighteen <unk> now granted you have to <hes> you have to get one of their little infinity boxes to unlock it to get it okay well. That sounds cool yeah so but it's you can you can get that or you can get the old constitution class or you can get. I mean granted. This one looks just like you know the one off the episode no catch up on orville i believe i don't think he's seen a single episode. Maybe the first one i've seen the first okay especially the second season. The second season is errors. You know the two parter with space battles that is fantastic and again. I thought that was the best looking thing i'd seen until i saw the discovery of thinking about the bill as it's like t._n._g. It's like watching a really up-to-date t. n. G. it has the same even the same camera angles the will they did that on purpose wanted to replicate the next generation and so they took that advantage point within so that's why destroys moore cinematic and that one's more best best way to describe it for mike. There is okay. Mike you know first contact the battle very beginning first contact yeah the battle sector zero one okay <hes> replicate the amount of ships onscreen by about ten ten to fifteen and make it make the cyberman from doctor who cool and that's what that's what you get so like and as you go on the comedy gets toned down from being like family guy and becomes more subtle and finding their parts that i was like i'm i'm laugh out loud laughing at parts of other without it being you know hitting me over the head with it and then at the same time the explorer a lot of the same social issues like not the same as as angie but a logical progression of what tingey would be if the t and g today so transgenderism certain things religion and it follows a parallel to what's going on into society now the voting and social media. Oh yeah exactly there's ellen show you did something evil. We hate you yeah and if you're down voted to a certain point you're popularity goes down. You just get killed while they don't kill you. They know autumn is you yes exactly exactly yeah i mean and and <hes> to the more up boats you have the equate being popular to being a good person. It's crazy. It's such a social commentary that it's it's actually like really really intelligent how it's written and i'm glad that they didn't cancel them even though they had to move it to another streaming service but still they moved it to hulu which is actually hopefully going to be better for it which it's probably disney's way of saying. We're not canceling it it but it looks like the fox properties are basically going to be on hulu and then all the disney properties a._b._c. Properties are going to be on disney pretty much. Yeah and i wonder whether it's going to last man standing to be honest because got cancelled from disney a._b._c. and then they then they get to fox and they're like the how they're gonna look at. Uh give it to m._g._m. They need something pretty much so anyways yeah if when she get caught up you'll kind of agree that you know they're they're pretty much open for <hes> <hes> the characters of pike number one in spot coming back and doing like adventures of that enterprise they are gonna do the of those short the attract short tracks which are fantastic gloss ones. These are going to be better 'cause they're going to feature on pike's enterprise oakley of them. We're going to be the beginning grown. He's not gonna ever be my spock but he's a good spoke the he will. They actually made him like you could take him with clean clean-shaven fazli the the end. I mean i'm not gonna. I'm not spoiling anything because obviously he does shave at some point but he does fairly you decently look in a resemble like early you know nimoy. Although i did see a deep fake of of me moi's face planted overtop of of <hes> impacts version of spock so that's you know they changed the face with with a i make it look like leonard nimoy was still on the show and an anson mount is like the best christopher pike. We're gonna got oh yeah hands down. He's he has that charisma of the character and in plays it really well and he's the right age. I thought he was younger than he is but he's actually age appropriate for that character to and and he shows more in his face in what he's thinking than i think most trek captains of ever done yeah because it was kind of the the you know like i'm annoyed with you. Face says always have the like. I'm ready for a fight as chain ways. He's always been like i could care less as jamie's always been like. I'm impressed with my own voice face like she sounds like she's very impressed with yourself. A. and kirk was all about ready to party. Kirk was like i'm ready to party. Kirk is whatever emotion christopher pike is showing in his eyes and face. <hes> kirk shows outwardly to the pantomime it to the extreme. It's basically everything that you see the emotions that you see shattner go through all done in his his face pretty much yeah. It's it's truly an a testament to his acting ability in being able to play this character and <hes> the polar opposite of fought lorca was in the show and he goes from being star of a western show to a space western. Show hell on wheels great in that. I didn't think he would make the transition like he's like. He was in the humans to oh. That's right and he was terrible. Yeah he's the main guy he doesn't speak with word the entire thing. Is that yeah yeah. It was terrible. I was like how's this gonna play out but then they put them in here and he's great yeah immediately. There was no adjusting to him. He was just great immediately even when he gets like the flash to his to his fate sort of thing because we all know what happens to christopher pike that super emotional when he and you can see it on again you see it on his face and he's like what do i do and then they've been but then you see him compose himself and he's like i did what i have to and he's like it doesn't matter. I can't tell anybody anybody that would alter things. Screw things up. I am going to have to make my fate as i go along yeah and then yeah i love the line. He has at the end of the season though but i'm not going to spoil it for dod <hes> yeah you might catch up in the next week or to catch up before the show airs was obviously but like i think it'll be pretty impressive. Probably wanna binge the last three or four episodes because you're you're two thirds of the way through yet. It's really good. The last two episodes especially okay <hes> those are those are like what sold me on discovery although on the unfortunate part is what happens at the end so then yeah we'll see uh-huh yeah so anyways move onto the other show truck picard your thoughts on the news. That's out so far in the speculation. Please screw this up. Please don't screw this up when the announcement was made and they showed the trailer. I had the most uncomfortably awesome erection. It was like nerd boehner to the max like i could not believe just like seeing the trailer i was like oh. I thought it was going to be something where he's just basically sitting in an office. The entire time like looks like an action show but at the same time they're pulling in their people analyzing every single frame of that trailer and they're going to figure it out. I think i think they're throwing people off along with it but at the same time like it almost looks like he's becoming like a monkey leader. I got you know what i got from the vibe. They're they're basically duping star. Trek renegades just like <hes> discovery did to the battle of aksener. Okay discovery copied. That was the text adventure the adventure game that there'd be physically makes them adventure game with the battled all of accent that's how they got discovery and now they're they're trying to change things up but if you really want to impress me show me a trailer that shows klingons klingons and and it depending on what their makeup is will depend on how much nerd rage happens over it pretty much yeah because i still hate the discovery claim. It's the worst it's if if they made them normal i think the rest of it would make sense would that's. That's the thing that that's the one hang up. I still have over it. I still not a fan of people swearing on star trek movies place you at the movies seeing damage so they didn't say that but they said everything else and so you're gonna beat me again at a at the same time they it's odd who's saying it and why they're saying it's it feels like they're saying swear words for the sake of saying it because they cannot because is it makes sense to say it. The only time i've seen it makes sense is where the engineer. I can't remember his name. Stay status talking to tilly. It's like he's that made sense to me. No no to me that one's felt like one of the most odd lines dialect these are military military people on a military vet essel and you can speak you can have a mouth like a sailor but you don't have that to your superior officer when you're on duty like there's there's a lot of this that breaks protocol and i know it's trying to be progressive and everything but it it just didn't it didn't jive with me a lot. I loved the new aliens they've introduced and a lot of the cybernetics involved <hes> well. A lot of the makeup effects are fantastic but at the same time it's another the case of the characters behave more star trekkie in the orrville. It's obvious like boorda's is is klingon on the they have those the the same sorts of the but the but they changed just enough to make it fun and interesting like boorda's his species can basically eat anything so there's that skit in like the first few episodes where they're just like okay can eat this plate this broken broken glass. Yeah like go get a bag of broken or beggar nails. See what happens like. They'll throw that sort of stuff in there this. There's there's not really enough shown about workers through yeah with the exception of <hes> well the only episode they did that was the time loop with harry bud yeah yeah yeah the only the only characters that are only alien. That's getting any real to. I don't know what episode mike's on the subaru through gets a lot of time which is great and the other one mike tan. I can't remember if that of the cyborg the career episode was cool. Yes where they show her history like her memory. How she has to dump her memory every day. Basically to to just to refresh your memory yeah yeah like that was an interesting episode and that but other than that like they've had thirty episodes so far and they've not really focused on so serialized realized what you get a decent amount on pike to which was yeah but again. He's on alien so they're they're not. I would like a track to come back similar to like a there little too serialized here whereas i felt like stargate back in the day got it right where you had a underlying underlying plot that was happening a maine plot that would go for an entire story arc for a season but most of the episodes were individualistic very similar to what i was doing t. and g. to even more episodic could be but if you look at nine voyager they had an overarching plot yeah yeah they we're coming with discovery. Is you cannot watch a single episode out of order. No you really can't and you can't wait too long between them. Otherwise you'll off and what happened yet with the orville you can watch ninety percent of the motive order and still have fun unless it's a two parter unless it's a two-part right or you know anything involving. Was it the krill or they call them again. I'm brought up. You're so yeah and they seem to leave them alone own for like they come in the beginning of season the middle of the season the end of the season but then arrested him yeah but the rest of the episodes in between great and they do call backs to season one in season two like it's smart. I just feel like discovery if you're not hooked in the first episode or two you can't watch the show so they're kind of shooting themselves in the the foot. The picard one is going to be limited so it's one story which is great. I think they need to do another. Check where they're exploring will. They're going to do more seasons of the card which i don't. We know how they're going to drag out questions. Whatever happened to just making another star trek with about exploring like a we finally got enterprise writing season four corrected all the things they had cancelled it and then we've had nothing like that. The only thing keeping that sort of style of story going was the stargate franchise because it's the expanse all these other shows that have come out since they always focus on like two or three locations and that's it there hasn't then a true exploration space opera in since like since i guess stargate ended what thomas ten years ago now in the funny thing is that with you know with picard i feel like aac. We're going to be getting a lot of randomness with it in in the sense that like we know cards like supposed to be disgruntled well. He's left starfleet because of something. That happened headed with romulus. You know they're featuring the borgen. They're they're gonna have you know seven of nine in hugh and he's he's still like you know hurt over what happened with data all those years ago <hes> but they say that benign is supposed to be before i call him be nine because that's what he was in the original script and the the the novel. He's calling for an assistant stupid. There will be four. No it should benign because he was yeah. You've been instead of his. He was the before model from before which just just lazy writing at in my opinion opinion but <hes> but yes so they get to his they say that he's the one that's tore apart in that that cabinet in the trailer and yet by the end of the trailer they showed data talking to picard in his head and there's there's a couple of different methodologies analogies. I think are going on with that. I think either a <unk> loosening be. It's a holiday rep <unk> replay like cards. It's playing with a virtual data on holiday see they actually do rebuild him. In part of data's personality comes out during certain situations on before you know core shell or i got one date or data is transferred to a a hologram much like holographic doctor. I got one four. He's limited or his consciousness has been partially transferred into picard because card it has remnants from is a simulation so they're sharing a mind. That would be interesting. I actually didn't think of that one that wins news. I like when i come up with something actually interesting. That's that's different i haven't. I haven't heard that one anywhere so that's that's great because he he's still in <hes>. I contact could hear the whispers yep so what's to say that he couldn't you know in his obsession to try to get him to work. Have some sort of connection to him. I mean it would be similar to search for spock where bones after the mind melt had a residual echo right like it could be something like that. Yeah i could definitely see that that playing out in the course of the show and and we're gonna see reicher and troy shallow and they're supposed to be retired from starfleet which i think kind of grandma you know i would be happy with if they ever actually got their show the titan one off the ground. It would have been great but i know that michael dorn wants a wharf show oh something terrible and he already road like a pilot for ten years ago. What actually one of the times i did. I i think think if we go back in the archives like ten years ago nearly i think i gave a voicemail into talk about that. With you. Guys all right sounds about right where yeah i was talking about. How they there apparently was a netflix plan in place and then c._b._s. Pulled the plug. It was gonna it'd be fun. I think it was four t._v. Movies which would have been about eight hundred yeah yeah. It would have been great to have them. Have them involved <hes> <hes> even back then but he's i guess now. He's he's managed to get the doors open again because there it would fit nicely with the way the card series is going well especially if they do if if that is an exploration if they make his exploration movie for whatever reason they could do them. You know release a movie every three months and do tell your story that way so you get you could use this stuff to tell stories between seasons of other shows yeah and i think that that would help. I think that that would be really cool. I'd love to see a warped show likely for the show what we are coming because like as it is now we're having wjr like full years between not like tv seasons where you're off for two or three months because these are shorter seasons having almost a whole year between different shows which is almost too long as people are going to have their interest wayne. It's traffic card is supposed to come out. They get to mid twenty twenty twenty. That's insane like it should have been out in the fall because we gotta wait until january again for another couple every twenty so it's going to be probably out in january in february two thousand twenty. Are they going. Do you think they're going to piggyback off of it like have the last episode of discovery and then right after that air the first episode of card. I'm thinking because then that would be smart because then they would stop people from dropping off the service and they're gonna release play because as as it is in canada i think in the states c._v._s. All access airs at nine. Pm it airs. It airs at eight p._m. Eastern on our table channel here so that's why a lotta times you'll see people on the forms talking about what happened in the episode before it airs the states because we get i because i think they put in production money for it so that would actually be perfect because they they could air at eight pm at nine pm air picard and then at ten pm the air like after trek talking about what happened see. I don't care about the talking track or any of that. I don't but i mean thinking about timeline and why is it kind of makes sense to do something like that yeah to have them like no. We're gonna keep the moment if they really wanted to. They should release them in tandem back to back and and you could you could own two hours television and you could get people to come in that wouldn't necessarily watch discovery regularly because they're disgruntled or they're are more interested in seeing what happened to t._n._g. But you might get people that subscribe like hey we have a one hour block every sunday or monday or two hour block laken watch track that harken back to the days when sci-fi used to have their three hour blocks of stargate started lantis and battles galactic and that was the three hour power hours on friday nights and they basically destroyed every other channels friday night programming even on regular t._v. but then again that's when people used to actually watch like five million people would actually watch cable channel pretty much yeah. I'm i. I'm excited to see what they do. I'm not a fan of the whole having to pay weekly to watch it no for here. We don't you have to like if you had a basic cable package. You can watch it as is because c._b._s. Alexis does not have any star trek content and ganda at all the because another streaming network has the rights so i think it's only four ninety nine for c._b._s. All access up here because it has basically nothing on it like so you wanna you wanna know something really funny with with the star trek here in the states. We've got it on three different services. We've got it on you can watch every series on hulu. You can watch every series on netflix and you can series on c._d. Believe all the series are on either crave amazon and the movies movies. I think are all on netflix one of the two they're back and forth that way we don't have we have selective movies on certain services like so some of them will randomly be available but yeah net flix. Canada has all the series. None of the movies and crave. I think has the movies and most of the series including discovery every so c._s._l. Access has you can have limited commercials for five ninety nine a month. <hes> <hes> or you can download videos and playoff line with commercial free for nine ninety nine a month. See ours is i think four bucks american and that's it's no commercials but all their stuff here is. This is what pisses me off the most. They're technology is ten years old even though they launched just a year ago or whatever it's it's well. There's services horrible. Discovery came out at seven twenty p low bit rate and stereo only so if you go onto all all the all the websites that may happen to have copies of the episode they all use the canadian copy from from space just because it's it's aired at ten eighty i or ten p with surrounds down or if you wait a week they show up on netflix and you can use <hes> <hes> you can use a v._p._n. To watch the u._k. Net flex feed because that's what they're airs. It airs there in four k which isn't even available on video here. What what does it make any sense. The country of origin has the lowest quality copy. I love contract and that's that's the same with hulu. Hulu was only stereo which pisses me off like we're in a day and age now where it takes no more data to have surround soundtrack doc and anybody paying for these services watching at home has a decent surround sound set really especially the sci fi fans so unless you have amazon and i think in crave only in stereo as well so up here. It's basically amazon net flicks. <hes> and then disney are going to be the only ones that have surround unsound and each and all that stuff doesn't surprise me granted the states. We also have really crappy internet connections connections depending on where you're at the same here like i would say the average high speed internet package. Here is between fifty and one hundred meg ours usually start at like five to late twenty-five packages cell is five fifteen here but the vast majority of people in any major city even smaller cities have cable has at least thirty five mac back and there's usually an option for data cap of one hundred gigs or you pay an extra five bucks and have unlimited data. The dot has five hundred service and i've got big a bill. We'll see the nice thing is is my area where i live. I have comcast right now. I have fifty megabits service which i think are sixty that anyways next year when my contract hello two thousand four the they want their internet back yeah yeah i know well. I was getting twenty five back in michigan but that's because and what does it cost like the charge you. It's almost one hundred bucks for for the for the sixty nine seventy nine thousand thousand down fifty fifty up unlimited. You know what's funny. They're putting in <hes> a gigabit internet service provided by the city in colorado a lot of cities and soot in their own utilities probably because they considered utility so the price never fluctuates. It's always the same price but you're going to get. I think they said gigabit internet with equal uploads and downloads yeah. There's actually a few cities more north of here. <hes> mike list will has eastman. I think is the cable company company. They're gigabit up gigabit down and i think it's one hundred twenty bucks a gigabit up 'cause they. They have the pipeline there but like it's funny here like i'm just thinking my upload speed is faster than your downloads steve so like it's like i tell you what's really funny. It's like six. Oh what i what i love is when let's say oh man windows is going to take forever the update through windows update. I'll go and get manual like i need to make a media creation tool so i can use my key and you gotta download that like seven gig file. I'll click on it and and i'll go to the bathroom. Come back and finish thirty five seconds and it's like four or five games like oh. It's so worth paying for art c. I'm like i said i'm looking forward to having the better internet service once that that comes out the basically i got it. I could have gone gotten away with like two hundred fifty meg for the amount of streaming we do like it's for streaming streaming everything because we don't have cable everything we watch is through streaming services so you can have two three t._v.'s on and not have an indoor anything but the big thing is for us us when we do a lot of stuff for twig and podcasting we share a lot of fairly large files. We're dealing in like gigabit gigabyte files and just doing file sharing during between and work-sharing. It's so much better having this kind of speed <hes> even uploading at fifty megs. We'll still take a while but it's like you. You know <hes> birdman who'd be like hey. I got a review ready for your show okay. I'll download and it's done immediately. What is that must've been made it much easier. When you were making backup copies of the server down the server i got eighty six gigs in <hes> forty minutes and it was only because a lot of them are very small files so you know they take a little while to transfer like because it's funny large files transfer faster for sustained rates and everything everything but it was like yeah i was like i'm going to download a backup for the server and i read the the <hes> the the actual web service said oh we can take <hes> be prepared to take several hours hours right and i'm like okay so let overnight. I got up and went to make a sandwich and i o it's done wait a minute. I i just downloaded more data than my entire school had in highschool like grade nine when the hard drives almost every hard-drive school was like two gigs nice. I just downloaded the entire school boards like worth of computers in forty minutes nice so i think we're going to we're going to call it quits because it's getting a little long and it's getting a little late. Hope everybody's had a good time on this conversation and will continue next time with the talks about <hes> the the franchises universes the trilogy's all the i've been pretty extensive thoughts on that yes as do i notes how's that that will lend to entire episode all on its own so expect that next episode other than if we get feedback so that'll be pretty much very heavy episode on on that so so yeah. What's the people get a hold of you on the internet's. If you want to get a hold of me the most reliable ways defy me on twitter which is at birdman dot. I'm almost always on there. You can also email l. Meet mike at this week in geek dot net. I tend to reply to everybody unless you're a do spanked yeah that's and then we'll just make fun of you secretly behind your back. If you're a douche bag exactly with goats f for me it's very similar. It's alex this week dot net. We also have the the feedback at this week dot net <hes> look at the look up on facebook just our names or the actual <hes> geek <hes> you can go through the website. There's plenty the different ways to get in touch with us and we're always lurking on <hes>. We're always learning on facebook and twitter and <hes> occasionally dischord another other other various methods. I lurk on on twitter so thank you as always for listening to your geek. I've been your host along with mike. The birdman dud spicy alex spicy alex so i'm laughing but at the same time i feel bad because i can hear you making show notes about well. Put another one in but again. I'm going to beat beat the world record holder right like you're you beat that a long time ago. Did during your tirade okay well then i'm eating repeated words yes so yes king king okay. We'll take that blanchard. I won't won't do this anymore. 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Digital Subscription Services Fatigue, The Good, Bad and Ugly of Subbing

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Digital Subscription Services Fatigue, The Good, Bad and Ugly of Subbing

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You're tuned in to alter geek hello and welcome to altered ky ko steve phillips and joining me into this adventure to eat. Them is mike the the first holy crap. I'm back then forever man. He exists. I do and because i can. Here's the sound of goats just made work for you. That's fine. I don't mind and and if you're wondering what the hell we're talking about if you follow us on twitter at s._a._p. Twenty-one at birdman at altered geek we decided to have a rather rather involved twitter thread tonight so we do invite conversation with you of nazi join us on the show via our social media and we were talking about what makes six podcasting better we got the subject of swearing an emphasis and frequent host on mike was arguing. Doing the swearing makes things better and we got. I think it was michael. Powers was in on it kevin thomson a lot of us. Were like yeah yeah no it was it was actually hilarious because i put tonight. We ride just getting nice's. I'm joined by birdman dodd for altered geek tonight tonight for a conversation. That should be interesting then it says tag. It's no reverence by the way if you listen regulate. You know why it's there please note sounds yeah and mike was just going off and i says stop swearing on the show and then i did the office. They don't like that he's going on about swearing enhances podcast s. and reality in did you notice though after about three or four threads he lost it and he started swearing to enhances tweets like oh yes clearly you are armed with a superior in your vocabulary it in it was funny because powers is he says i understand the respect that even though i swear i try not you i'm just saying i prefer no limits and and it's like okay i get it you know and in power is like i agree with steve language never accomplished anything that couldn't be said better with a broader vocabulary using foul language and critique of well anything it's just poured lazy and sloppy and he admits that he's slicing yeah. I'm like yeah like light and things like well then. I guess i'm lazy. Should you not wish to improve your craft and i- counterpointed swearing ken be okay if you use it in use the punchline a joke or even inservice of a reaction like for example. Here's your f- bomb if i said like how how kevin smith does that's emphasis that's okay or if you use it in service of a cleverly crafted joke or setup it works but it's really hard to hit the mark consistently. If you're just dropping it for the sake of dropping it then you lose all meaning behind named it yet again from that stance like that. I don't have as much of an issue with because i mean granted ended. I still don't prefer it on my particular content or at least this particular show like any other show. I don't really care as much but i think it's because this take over three hundred episodes and i'm like it's got a cadillac behind it. I'm not to say that. I haven't done that in the past. I'm just trying to be cleaner but not that. The the slight joke won't come out occasionally but but yeah. I mean it's i. I don't try to put limits per. Se i just try to you know i'll i still have no problems with controversial topics and in different ways of elaborating the the two cents that that we have on it. It's just yeah it was it was funny because he just kinda started losing it in twitter and everybody was jumping on the bandwagon leg. Mike you suck in my favorite. I have to to buy owed hord. I retweeted him and i use the arrested development thing like narrative eric voice. It didn't meanwhile steve. Mega truck has to find out what to do with this herd of goats and buster bluetooth. What's what's really funny. There was another episode in oil back. I had him on and he he was on some kind of an angry tirade that night like it. It was just it was it was crazy and i'm not beating mike up because you know mike's awesome too but there are times that it grades on me with with the random swearing and i started putting every barnyard animal over him there is late literally like cow's wow sounds goats sheep. It was like a horse or something like it was just it was just a random like animal sounds like every 'cause i was like okay. I can't use the goat sound like three sometimes a row. I gotta switch it and so it was just yeah. It was having fun with it. So you have this cacophony of like farm mm-hmm animals yeah it was like old macdonald's farm had suddenly hit my podcast in and it was just it was crazy in this case swearing. Does it adds a podcast broadcasting isolated gays. Mike maker bs at a farm anyways. I'm done beating up mike. We love you buddy. Yes he's gonna yeah you know. That's gonna come out later but ed ed. If you want to join the garbage asian at altered gig at bergeford dot join in the fun yes because you know he's going to attack this next week or after he listens so <hes> so yeah so if you're looking to interact with the show as we suggested a there's obviously many ways to do this through social media or you know geek who radio dot com or or the other feeds but you can always hit us up on unaltered at altered geek and at s._a._p. Twenty one in that birdman dodd <hes> in in if you wanna use the hashtag of altered geek <hes> you can let us know what your geeking speaking out to this week so <hes> so anyways <hes> without further ado <hes>. I have a question that i'm going to ask for next week. The listeners and it's what do you look forward to. In geek news now with all the latest going on because obviously we have the news of conroy becoming bruce bruce wayne officially on on video and <hes> the sony disney debacle was spiderman in a new he man revival and plethora of other news going on <hes> you know like microsoft finally restoring skype back to it's original <hes> designed before they destroyed it <hes> mm-hmm yeah and then all the awesome things going on in podcasting so basically what strikes your geeky cords i. I like turtles turtles. I knew there was something coming. I was just waiting to hear what it was. It was going to miss something random and i knew it so anyways <hes> as i mentioned off air and as i mentioned to the listeners last week i built a new computer and it's quite nice and i i was thinking of what am i going to do with the old machine because i'm going to use it for the kids in it's it's got i mean it's still got like twelve harrasment knits. It's an old core right. Three dual core processor in. It's got the built in graphics. I don't need a dedicated graphics card in it which is nice the but also gonna take one of the s._s._d. Hargraves out of my current machine put it in there so it'll have a hard drive but being that windows is is locked to a specific machine. I was thinking i would try because i wrote this article a ways back on commando dot com about the zoran o._s. Which is basically a lennox version. That's as close to windows. You can get so. I was thinking about trying that out on my old p._c. Just to see how a well it works of 'cause. I dabbled in lenox before but not really had any reason reason to switch so. I think that it's like the perfect time to actually riot yeah if it blows up who cares yeah exactly quake because it's it's not being used for anything right now anyway. It's basically a shell sending my dusk. It's a kick stand and then i was i scouring 'cause like i don't know if you're familiar with the new itunes categories thing kind of but refresh me so anyways apple we'll recently decided to as part of their apple podcast thing and because you know let's face it spotify stealing ground left and right from them <hes> between companies they're buying up and just innovating the podcast based in apple's been floundering on it for the last ten years they finally created new categories categories in rearrange things and so they sent everybody into kind of a tizzy on on everything and i tunes and <hes> kind of deciding how things things are gonna kind of play out <hes> so anyways they created all these new categories and use still kind of have to put him in in the categories that you want them in and it doesn't some of them make more sense. Some of them don't <hes> so like under the t._v. And film category how there there is nothing under it before now they have like after shows. They have a t._v. Review shows they have film reviews. They have <hes> film history history. They have like all these like different delineations underneath these different categories although the only thing that can it stinks is it took out the area where comic books could be in its leg manga in animation so like if you've got a comic book related show it in it's not on manga. Kinda doesn't really make sense to be there but there's no relative can go so like that's where the pullback resides and that's why it's like in the top twenty in there because it's not really but it is in that category yeah so it just doesn't make sense and some of the things but but yeah we've had a couple of our show show up in different categories like pretty high up within the top twenty of those like delineations nations just because they're very specific niche like all things transformers shown up to him cast. Some of the other ones see so yeah. It's it's pretty neat but anyways i saw <hes> i was looking because the place that i work i was just checking to see if our podcast they are had registered in in the top anything on the lists and under the d. religion spirituality longest running shows category you know it's all basically like christian podcast and everything else and then i see smug cast in fatman on batman in there and i'm like and i'm like as far as i know like kevin smith shows in the christian category doesn't seem right so so like somebody's like. I'm just gonna put it somewhere randomly so that it shows up when you're not looking for it. You know what i think to take advantage of the algorithm you. You should rebrand this show. As past afar ian themed podcast we can be the only religious podcast dedicated to the flying spaghetti spaghetti monster and then we could be number one on spotify. Let's say it is that is like i was like okay. How do you even get in all of these in these random categories in kind of pick them like per se. Les it just i don't know it was kind of weird just seeing some of that some some of the shows that probably shouldn't have been in certain categories the other ones that clearly have you know like been pushed to the top. It's it's i don't know and that's the other thing that bothers me about apple. Podcasts is the majority of the podcasts at show up or not like the podcasters that have been around for ten ten fifteen years. It's all these celebrity. Conglomerates or people that are on television are ready and you got money to push it. Yeah and it's and that's the thing is like 'cause you can buy placement in their in saying that late. Shows can't show up in certain categories. You know just based. He's done on their merit alone but predominantly it's all celebrity hosted shows that are showing up or p or companies companies that have big dollars behind them in so it's it's kind of. I see more of a rigged system with apple podcasts and i've kind. I'm always seen it that way. It's kind of that necessary evil that they're like sixty seventy percent of your podcast downloads but it's you can't bear to be without autumn but you don't really want to be friends with them either. I don't know what your thoughts are on it. That's kind of my mentality. I figure money solves everything which is unfortunate but i'm hoping eventually it'll sort itself out. Although although if somebody's really clever they could take advantage of someone will figure out how it all gets sorted and you'll see like joe rogan at the top up of the religious podcasts in fact cleese make that happen because that would make me really happy but i'm telling you steve. We see a vulnerability here. We see an opportunity. We gotta become the flying spaghetti monster for like two weeks. See what happened no problem moving it around just to see what happens because like it's this. I'm just curious to see if the show would make a blip on the radar just because the category win like so far left field that nobody's play or everybody's like what is this doing here. Here we started off each show the prayer to the to the flag spaghetti lobster just to see how people to tell only man. There's a marketing opportunity here summer's almost over but at old navy the styles are as hot as ever get to old navy now for thirty percent in off all genes forty percent off dresses and fifty percent off all tees. That's right get thirty forty and fifty percent off all your favorite styles for the whole family plus up to seventy five percent off clearance hurry in fast. These deals won't last the salen soon at old navy and old navy dot com valvoline store eight twenty two eight twenty eight and online twenty to date twenty four excludes in store clearance bubbles active licensed and men's packaged teas or you start doing random ads that are not even for real companies. Oh my oh my god. I was watching a kevin smith podcast. It's when this was like very early on and he was talking about this grill and head for some reason he starts babbling on about anal sex and he worked at into an advertisement with co host ralph garman and he's like this is the man grill sold on that anal show and i got the thick and all the stupid products you could advertise on a podcast august audible dot com express v._p._n. Door dash by the way to hell with those guys. They skill your tips. <hes> <hes> just like stranger companies you could approach because in my in my particular field. I get approached with ads it's for do you want to review this product. You want to be sponsored and one of the strangest ones that i've talked about this on twitter and i may have mentioned it on alter geek too. I got email about two years ago and it was around packs time which is the penny arcade expo and it was an ad saying hey are you a gamer. Are you playing games for so many hours a day. Yes yes. Would you like to have your prostate massage it. I'd like wait what's article and it was the sex. Toy company tried to pitch gamers on a prostate massage. You're so like when i played halo. I walked by but besides give me the but plug please laughing so hard and everybody in the industry was sharing this email on twitter and i'm like and the penny arcade as like oh my god. You've got it to this weird so yeah you'd be surprised. Companies will advertise on podcasts and other things you you get some weird ones i. I have nothing to say. I don't even know it's like that would just be the most absurd like strangest thing in the world. I didn't believe it until i went back and read the the bill goes i. I told alex about it. He's like you're full of crap. Show me pull up the e mail. He was like oh my god dude. I'm like i know uh-huh so good. That guy must've gotten so many replies. His email is like what is wrong with you. How do you pitch like gaming forward. You oughta prostate massage her. It's weird yeah. I don't even know versi. I'll bring you out conversely the number of dull moment man anyways changing changing series and the scenes with like a hundred and eighty degree twist here <hes> <hes> voiceover star eric boese was talking on a video recently about replicating and paying homage to the legendary voices of the banana splits. I don't know if you've ever seen that original. Show i have although the only banana splits thing recently. I've seen is the new horror movie yeah. They basically do like a five nine hundred fridays with it. Yeah cool idea a weird way to go with it. Why not yeah i was like interested to begin with and then i saw that it was like a horror movie and i'm like no no why it's going. That's a cool genre twist to it. Yeah i don't know but it's now available on digital so who come into blue rain d._v._d. Like it's it's it's a direct to series which you know whatever you know they're trying kind of refresh the warner brothers hanna barbera library with new versions of things because why not i mean it's a cool idea. <hes> it just you have to have the right person behind the camera because direct video horror or horror is a wonderful genre unto itself and if you get the right people writing directing and producing it you can have some really cool movies. They're like fantastic b-movie level stuff. I mean it doesn't have to be like wes craven or tobe hooper levels of masterpiece it's hor but it can be be level. Charles band full moon entertainment levels of goofiness and i think the billion this movie had the potential to do that. It's got some cool kills in it but that's pretty much about it. The five nights at freddy's if they screw grew that up there will be blood see i've never cared for that whole like genre like and then the people that are like doing the uh oh man. I'm scared seeing don't get how they screwed up. Slender man so bad it had such a cool potential and backstory and lord right behind it but the movie saw x. I've reviewed at i guess a couple of years ago now or last year anyway <hes> and it was just so paint by numbers that it was just it was boring and you look at the rise of of horror movies being more popular now especially with the conjuring universe with like conjuring one to annabel and all those though there's been diminishing returns earns on that franchise do last movie that came out annabel comes home was okay but the one previous to that the curse of il il roar no which is about the mexican weeping lady was jump scare the movie and it sucks because whore i i always missed for now. It's supposed to be horror. Horror movies can be really like right now. There's that crawl movie which is under appreciated. It's about the the the alligator which is weird then. There's that forty seven meters dallas is like an underwater shark movie so okay and then next month it comes out in chapter. One was fantastic so there's a lot of legs left oft in the genre but taking an old i._p. Like a banana splits and doing it into a horror movie like guy said right team has to be it. Can't it can't be half asked yeah yeah i just i haven't been able to get into that whole horror genre stuff like in a good amount of time. I think like let me ask you. This is it because because it's scary is it because it's bloody or because you don't like the is there some other reason it's kind of all of the above. I never i never was a big fan of like i. I really don't watch any of it now. Because i think the conjuring movies both of them are really good. I fans that are not genre people because they're scary on their own merits. They don't need blood. There's no blood in these movies well in conjuring to a vision so it doesn't count your scary because ghosts as opposed to like freddy krueger jason which just you're going to see blood. That's why you're going but i i really do recommend you. Give the conjuring movies a world especially ashley who can immerse yourself in the mindset and the right environment to watch it and if you're gonna watch it late at night by yourself or with someone who who is one of the share that experience with you. It's magical apocalypse pony so anyways we had some feedback before we get to the main event event we had some feedback on the last episode <hes> <hes> personally on while wise too but <hes> <hes> brad mentions that <hes> you know on the episode mike and i talked about not watching certain shows <hes> mostly just because has like i don't get into newer shows as much anymore in mike's just curmudgeon <hes> he says yeah mostly because of access. I've missed a lot of the relevant shows everyone's talking about. I gave stranger things three episodes in season one but it didn't grab me. I hate being told something is the best thing since sliced bread so i have to watch it. I'll decide what i like. It can want to watch go ahead. Make you say that's so unfortunate stranger. Things was something i'm marathon on through. I did all three seasons in a week and it's probably one of the best things i've seen in the last five years like i was so in. It's the biggest love letter to the eighties. I've seen since the goldbergs it's done right. The scores fans asset the witch shotley. The beautiful what exactly is the premise and the draw to it because i've not typically pick up new shows. I'm just asking out of curiosity acidy. Whatever so the pitch is this kid goes missing in this little town in indiana and nobody can figure out why there's also government affirmant energy facility nearby doing experiments they they have experiment day something comes through. They don't know what it is so these kids are looking for their missing friend and they cross pass with government experiment at one one point. A little girl escaped from the government facility. Who's been held in there all her. Life doesn't know how to talk to people is really strange change. She has psychic powers and they start to find out that her and their missing friend are connected and it's these friends coming together other over the course of a summer to find their missing friend to help this this little girl and uncover this conspiracy which has been buried under the town for so so long and the first season's fantastic the second season's a little weaker in places the third season's fantastic the soundtrack is phenomenal phenomenal not just the score but the actual soundtrack <hes> and you get a career defining reading performance by known a writer. David harbour plays the town sheriff fin wolf hard. I think that's his name in the league kid and glenn massaro i. I say that's his name. He plays another. One of the kids like the kids are the heart of this show and you you believe them like you cry like there's a moment at the end of the third season. One one of the characters is reading a note from another character and i cried because that's how powerful it was and i i haven't had i haven't connected with a show on unemotional level like that in years so my recommendation to you is as watch the entirety of the first season. It's only eight episodes and make up your mind. Then three episodes is just setup and then it really gets going in and be sincere child of the eighties watch how things are shot. Listen for music cues look in the background and you'll see things your racquet national goonies and ghostbusters and all that stuff like the people who made the show. I can't remember it's a pair of brothers. They genuinely cared for their craft and it's probably some of the best event television i've seen in the last five years ears easy. That's probably why microsoft had that whole windows. One point zero thing which is funny enough that they used it as kind of part of the promo roma but yeah so then then he has more feedback <hes> saying that while the scream effect to cover my mouth scares the crap out of me at work in an industrial area wearing bluetooth earmuffs offs <hes> he says i agree with mike and i'm not a big fan of ad reads because we were talking about advertising in podcasts <hes> he was like the show host <hes> li- breeds in podcast especially when the host trying to put across that they've been friends with the sponsor for some time and regularly used their products <hes> one podcast listen into has a stop halfway through with a voiceover now a word from our sponsors only to have three seconds of silence before continuing to show the any says <hes>. I see simple patriots a similar thing when it started podcasting it was a hobby something for me and some friends to do on a weekend now. Nearly five hundred produce shows released still a hobby yearly. Hosting fees are one of the cost as well as the microphone. <hes> tried <unk> patriots for a few months didn't get a single sign ups like candid. <hes> really need to get my then. He started talking about his <hes> twenty thirteen gaming p._c. Updated <hes> which mine was about well. That'll it was mine was twenty twelve <hes> but he said he's got a bunch of hard drives the back everything out because the two terabyte was completely full and then we were talking about podcast and he says as for old episodes i have to say my favorite series is still the beast unleashed. I'm not going to say why if you haven't listened to it. Go download it now but yeah i have to agree with the patriots thing like i tried it and i was very impressed with the whole methodology and you pretty much have to have a following just to get anybody to actually actually do it. Well yeah like patron is one of those platforms where you have to have a substantial following you have to provide value content content and you can't be like a podcast or support support the show okay that's cool. But why am i giving you five dollars. Why am i giving you ten dollars like some people i know started their paycheck because they thought they had a following. They got two bucks and yay. That's two bucks. You didn't have before but you're not offering anything especially if you're contents not as consistent and other people have a patriot because they have a substantial following and they do nothing so it sits there as a constant money generator but it doesn't but they don't offer anything which is really really unfortunate other people have been able to take their patriots and actually turn their podcasts into legitimate gays because they treat it like a job. One of the best examples i think is a podcasting wrestling show called going going in rob. I stephen larson formerly of machina and a._t._c. and those guys do really well and the other <hes> any other patriots for artists or people who are cost players. They provide photo sets they provide polaroid's postcards words calendars phone calls they interact they interact with their phaetons but they have those they have fans. They have people know what their content is going in. It's very hard to start a patriot on from the ground up. I mean people have asked me. Why don't i do patriot for twig and i've often can said twig will always be free because i believe the news and information should always be free be available to the people. It's journalistic ethic that i've held onto since college and i've got a following. I know i do because i've had several several successful. Gofundme me's for medical expenses or other things. You're say dr widely happened so you don't also i want to go to that well too often because maintaining a patriot on your also expected to maintain a certain level of quality consistency and and transparency with what you're spending on another patron another patriot guy. This guy started to have a patriot and he was asking for them to support show. This guy made more money than he knew what to do with and i was wondering. Why did the patriots if you're making like sixty thousand a year like you don't need that. That's not fair to your audience in in my opinion anyway no yeah i yeah that's my thing is like see if it made enough to break even or to pay for like going to events or things like that for you know added coverage rate. I am not expecting to get rich like it's i i would much prefer to be somebody who's one of the <hes> more or less influential discussion based you know podcasters professional that <hes> people come to rather than having to say hand me your money so i can be important in so like. I guess that's kind of where i stand with it. <hes> we had plans to do a basically like a subscription model against radio <hes> in in the ability is there in the site and it's not turned off. It's it's there which you know if people feel obligated or like they liked to do that. That's a way to get involved in that would help us mentally early with hosting things but also you know just for producing extra content but it's not again. It's not a mandatory thing and we have the dynamic ad insertion in the podcast which it's helpful to some degree. It's i mean it pays for itself but it's again. It's it's. I don't know i don't i don't wanna do the live reasons. I don't wanna do things were being disingenuous. <hes> <hes> with everything and i i really don't wanna do the patriot thing because again like i can't do promise like full amounts of things to come to these people and so again it's i'd rather just produce you know really good content and have my footprint all over the place then necessarily be rich at it well. That's another thing to me when people do live reads of their thing unless they have a bra a aradio or broadcasting background. It never sounds natural like i use dollar. Shave club every day or i've been dented. Uh i use blue apron or hellofresh or whatever the frigging thing is this month natural. I always had descript script out my stuff when i do it ahead of time so like for instance. I'm i'm looking at this old script. Ultra geek is brought to you by game. Fly dot com sign up today. Premium free thirty day trial with one game out at a time by going to game fly offer dot com slash altered geek and just going on from there. I mean it's it takes you out a little bit but it's not as bad as like a yeah. So the podcast cast is brought to you by game fly. You know you can get thirty days and one game out and go to game playoff or dot. Com slash altered geek. I don't even know if it still works but that that was one of the you know scripts just roughly. I i have to do that or else. It just sounds like i'm trying to just mashed mashed together. <hes> yeah like i said it's very hard the sound natural the sound conversational and unless you drop it in at the right point in your show. It never sounds right like i don't even for twig i do the dynamic adds right. I add five seconds silence in after a review or certain news story and it just goes in whatever it it pays for itself yeah in in i don't. I don't necessarily minded. It's but again you know it's just i don't know if if there was a way to have it you wanna free model which that would be awesome but i would do it but it was that way for a very long time it just you know so i was i've primarily been the main funder of the web hosting space and the one that manages all the the back end stuff so so yeah any anything that alleviates automates as much as possible on it takes you know takes care of itself like i'm good with so in that regard see in the in this actually leads rather nicely into our conversation asian about <hes> the main event which is subscriptions <hes> so i posed this question on on twitter either earlier this week or something i was alluding to the fact i was going to talk about this anyway but i said you know anyone starting to have or already in in general getting subscription fatigue you know it seems like every network can show has one now. You know you've got who netflix amazon h._b._o. C._b._s. c._b._s. All access and then we're gonna have a warner brothers one in a._t. And t. one we're going to have a disney. I mean disney plus. It's going to be an ad who also separate. We've got d._c. Universe we've got i just it's getting to be more and more and more and more so it seems like they've you know honestly. If you subscribe to the mall granted you get most of their back catalogue that that network has ever produced which is better than any other option you've ever gotten but you're also spending much premium cable when you add it all up so i feel like the subscription model not only for streaming but for software is going to run dry at some point or have to evolve in in create some. I'm kind of a better value because at some point to say i'm done cancel everything or i'm gonna blitz all the content or i'm just not going to do any of it and i'm gonna pirate at all so so you know. I figured that you know at some point. Something's going to have to change in the subscription model. Well it comes down to value for example. Net flicks is losing a lot of shows due to licensing agreements expiring like c._b._s. <hes> <hes> is having they have c._b._s. All access n._b._c.'s getting one warner brothers is getting one technically there already is that d. c. one but it's getting consolidated into another warner brothers app at some point so you have to wonder what value are these services offering to disney plus is committed to providing new star wars and marvel content and for seven bucks a month. I'm okay with that or ninety bucks. A year. Who gives a crap net. Net flicks is fourteen fifteen bucks a month. Now i'm starting to question but you also get things like dolemite is my name with eddie murphy and the scorsese for safety picture with robert deniro the irishman that looks fantastic and they put one hundred million dollars into that so it's going to be with these subscriptions observe. It's going to be what you're getting in terms of new content. You can't get on your c._b._s. Is your a._b._c.'s whatnot and unless unless the content is that good for you to pay to go somewhere exclusive than i don't know because for example you in the states yes you guys have to watch start at discovery on c._b._s. All access or netflix right yep. There's no choice yeah access yeah in canada. Can we get that on the space channel that airs on terrestrial tv. We don't have to pay for it. We also get through an app called crave which is similar to your hulu though not nearly as rich although canada's getting hulu next year. I think i'm curious to see what content's going to be offered on it but yeah i mean off the top of my head right. Now i subscribed to net flix crave fundamental nation which is <hes> anime. Though i am gifted a subscription there thanks to my press contacts. I used to subscribe the shudder which is a horror movie service for five bucks a month not not a bad value crave and and i am planning on signing up for disney plus so that six services in addition to my regular cable package which is about ninety dollars. There's there has to be some innovation now. The thing that sold me on disney is are promising a huge back catalogue their day one stuff. I'm not super thrilled with but they sold me with the man delorean. I was like all right. I don't wanna pirate. I work in the media industry being pirates being a douche bag. I wanna help am i gonna get h._b._o. Max probably not h._b._o. Contents a little bit more expensive than what i wanna pay for. Am i going to watch the watchman show in a roundabout way of saying it. I'll i'm sure i'll find a way friends will probably get it or i'll bore loggins ends but even that's the thing because i think it was comcast and disney or one of the big major cable companies had said they're gonna crack down on password sharing. It was hulu. Yeah and i get that because i guess in terms of service. You agree not to do that. That and people were getting all up in arms about that. Will you signed up for their service. So you kinda gotta do what they say. I mean obviously don't be douchebag but well the only you can get around that. I mean with the whole thing of all you. All you need to do is honestly honestly just do private window like what i do for net flicks is i pay for extra screens so i can have more people share. You're my netflix plan. Which i am good guy mike. I have like four people sharing. My net flex probably two more than i probably should let share but uh i digress yeah like there has to be some level of fatigue setting in at some point because with all the services is you don't know what's being available next next year or next month. I know one big thing. People were talking about is the office is leaving net flex and they just paid a couple million dollars to have friends stick around for another couple of years so it's so weird to see all these different services. Go everywhere to go exclusive like it's yet to be as much as a cable package arguably arguably you're getting more because you're getting a big back catalogue which which is true and i do give them that that you are getting dig back catalogue and like i myself like we have. We have a net flakes which i'm thankful thankful enough that my press context got me as well <hes> although it's still difficult to find their screeners because you have to go through some weird way of getting to him now now in its yeah. I've never been able to get them to work right so i never thought to ask for calmed net flicks account. I just assumed whatever ever actually will give you one if you were on their press account before when they were doing the screeners because they because they will not let you do the screeners now unless you have a netflix account that's so weird so they will compu- a netflix account too much the screeners even though you can't watch them on that net flicks account but you need a netflix account to log in to get the screeners is really stupid. That's really ass backwards. It's so convoluted like i could never figure out how to get the screeners so i'm like i got free net flicks. It granted. I use it for you know material that i can use here but it's still it's really weird like either way like how you have to go about it and so it's it's kind of just backwards but it's either way we have that we have linked pure flakes. I have an access to <unk> hulu and through sharing and it's i mean i have my pretty much my pick of everything but i even then and i rarely watch anything through stuff and like i will have the time stream stuff through the websites. They come from rather than half to go. Hunt it down somewhere or whatever yeah you'll see some commercials but whatever i mean i can watch it pretty much the bright after if they so choose <hes> but i've also been doing this thing to our after show i like and i just stopped watching the show so like 'cause i don't. I have this weird memory that i can remember the entire plotline and everything that happens in the show so i literally don't need to watch the show again. <hes> do i occasionally go back and watch episodes yes but i don't ever really go back and blitz whole series so to me like even with all all the value that's being provided by all these subscriptions i don't in again and if you're dealing with a conglomerate like a hulu like a disney like you know they did this large back catalogue. Yeah i can definitely see the value in in as powers kind of mentions in a roundabout way of saying that you know really they are charging enough. I mean for everything you're getting you know he says like i don't generally mind subscriptions because i signed up for service komo out of the year binge what i can cancel without penalty or the hassle of dealing with cable subscription. I feel like that alone. Gets overlooked subscription model talk and then the celtics thousand and twitter also says like a lot of these shows are a lot of these are going to go on a business. There's they'll be like two or three three like there are now when it's all over about ten or fifteen streaming services too many they just won't survive which you know i am like yeah i can see like hulu disney 'cause like disney owns majority stake in hulu with the foxtail in. You've got amazon netflix. Those will hang on for sure but you you know maybe a._t. And t. streaming service might than c._b._s. Alexis is only dylan. They have gone farmers. Have all the truck content coming and that's not enough to keep them alive. Longterm term not long term but they're they're going to now with getting paramount back with them. They'll have that whole movie catalog walk to come back which will help us to expand it though which i think they are. I think that was the plan. I was reading something about the c._b._s. All acts serbia's in paramount merger which it'll be c._v._s. Paramount is the name of the company real original. You know <hes> it's like n._b._c. Universal comcast cast it yeah anyways <hes> so the plan was with their combined catalog. They're saying that they'll be bigger than lake lake or at least the one of the biggest <hes> rivaling almost disney like nobody else would have their the massive cadillac c._b._s. E._s. paramount half collectively but that's debatable but either way. I think that a lot of it's gonna end up on all access and you'll see a lot on a new content through the cross pollination of the two different networks so <hes> but yeah i mean now. I guess to to pose this question. Do you think that because a subscription model works you know as far as the video contents concerned. What do you think about the subscription models. Now i know audio is not a big deal l. because people have been doing that forever for like radio purposes and everything like music in the you know your spotify and things like that because that's that's more of a convenience thing and people are more likely to splurge on that just because people like to have things to randomly listen to twenty four seven but do you think that the subscription model is going to harm lake <hes> software and plug ins for websites because like a lot of plug ins for wordpress grasser starting to go subscription base to i'll tell you one of the most bullcrap things i've ever dealt with is the adobe creative suite that outgoing subscription model. You could kiss all my ass for that one that is that sucks. Is it smart to go subscription. Yes you know l. like us. People will need it. People will pay it. It's dirty. It's dirty move but then again you're ever went. Photoshop and all of those programs used to be like two three grand the end i remember when they were like <hes> insane amounts. I think it was like two hundred dollars free w sound booth which was relatively cheap for what it was but i remember photoshop being like oh you can get the eight hundred dollar like a entry level package photoshop yeah when i went the college the first my first year i think i got the student package for photoshop and i think i paid eight nine hundred dollars. It's ridiculous. Now now. What i bought final cut final cut for college. This would have been about two thousand six. I think i paid thousand dollars or more. Maybe even pay into grandfathered. I'm not sure but it was a lot yeah and then to me is just seems like a giant scam <hes> because they can had you know it's they're purposely. Leveraging people like well. You need us so you're gonna pay slightly wants and just make sure you're not using an old version that can be pirated really easily. We're going to have you on a subscription plans so that <hes> you stay with the newest version so that's incentive for you to pay us yeah basically basically they can break the old versions anytime they want. Yes they can't even claimed as much that they have these open scanners that are like these back doors. They have another old software that they can legitimately go in and find out if you're using old copy or even if you're not connected to the creative suite and shut you down. That's so dirty. I happen on one of my computers here. Actually saw adobe audition. I had an older version of it on the machine and they went in and bricked it and says you got thirty days and then you can't use the software anymore and i was like oh really uninstall the show you i'll reinstall my brick doled version and then we'll see who's happy now but or or you go backing acting like system restore or take yesterday but <hes> but yeah i mean i see that as being really dirty live. I don't see the <unk> subscription thing like i. I know that they've been using it for xbox live and playstation network but i don't see it working for things like stadia stadia and things like that stadium. It's weird because you have to pay access on top of access. You can you get so many games for free. That's cool you get access to the astute stadium servers but if you want to buy a game like say watchdog your cyberpunk on top of that plus you only own a digital copy of of that game if you unsubscribe them stadia what do you do. I don't know i think there's a free version of stadium because i know the premium media is like nine ninety nine a month. I think so mean every subscription services purposely going to that like eight eight nine six ninety nine to twelve ninety nine a month. Go it's kind of a sweet spot but ninety nine where we wanna be yeah like that's that's a good value in my opinion in my this l. i. Breakdown subscription model subscription models because i'm a fat guy how many pizzas pizzas it if it's the cost of a large pizza one large pizza. That's one less large pizza for me to eat a month. I'm okay okay with that cost. That's how i balance my books by pizzas or how many video games is gonna cost me and it's ridiculous dickey's but it works yeah like the nine nine nine teams we the sweet spot anything above that people start to to him and haw about it like netflix. I see a lot of people say oh. I'm cutting the cord but you don't see people saying oh. I'm cutting the cord. At nine ninety nine like people talk about spotify or or apple music. They've got a good deal going yeah and and i can understand like the audio completely and somewhat video like and i'm not saying that that having a couple services isn't going to break you but like with the plethora of how they're all like well. I'm taking all of my toys and i'm putting my playground. You have to come to my playground use my toys instead of length of conglomerates of hulu and nets. That's lakes where you can kind of go in and you're like oh. I get a variety package every month. You know it. It's i don't know like i i kind of feel like it's purposely get keeping people out of things and i get they wanna control their own contents to having to oh you know bowel before the mini net flags after seeing how their business model work and they made all this money but like disney. Don't get me wrong. I get their reasoning for it. They have such a massive library. It's disgusting between what they owned anyway from like all their other studios and disney and everything and then having marvel than having lucas film and having the muppets and then having you know now fox's library i completely understand them having their own mm-hmm and especially when they used to do the d. mato of they're like oh we've got these silver edition back to the vault gold edition back to the vault platinum edition back to the vault double platinum back to the vault and they would just strangled twenty bucks out of every time every time i mean i kind of get it but yeah i mean it's definitely going to make people have to choose their poison yeah because i'd love to have access to all all the paramount and warner brothers stuff. I don't know if i wanna pay man like at that point that drives me towards piracy because like to hell with it man like i'll be paying as much for this subscription services pay hey from monthly cable and the only advantage monthly cable has is live. Even that's not a big deal anymore. Because you can get youtube live five you can get you know who live you can get you know depending on the shows but you can still get some content live on on these various networks and most emot- specialty specialty channels like for example the food network in canada. I'm just big fan of those shows like chopped kids baking championship and all that sort of junk <music>. I like to watch those live but you can typically watch them on the website. However though another thing is all a lot of cable companies do is is if you sign up with save rogers comcast or whoever you sign into the broadcasters website you have access s. two streaming television anyway yeah if you've got if you've got a cable package it's high enough with those channels. Yes you can't do that so that's announce yet another streaming service so to speak like it's a little bit much right now and like you were saying earlier. I think there's aw only going to be a few contenders left. I think original content will rule the day especially especially with amazon having stuff like good omens the boys they're putting a lot of money into that lord of the rings series net flicks has got some fantastic movies and it had a really good run with the marvel stuff so we're going to have to wait and see what happens with a lot of these hulu and disney again. They have properties that will do well but we don't have anything announced on the next three years for for those services so i feel like i feel like the the back. Catalogue is not going to be enough to draw people to services. I have a feeling like you said it's going to be the new new stuff and people are going to be making their decisions on what service they go to based on. What's new see. I think one out wire too that is disney. Yeah i think the reason people want disney is because of the back catalogue but their day one offerings. They're not that impressive which is weird like in my opinion. There is no reason why disney cannot have all the disney afternoon stuff ready day one there is there's no reason for it. I should be able to access the wasn't the little mermaid cartoon timonium poobah rescue rangers duck tales even even the new stuff. I should be able to access that day. Frigging one and you can't but what's the big draw. The man delorean that jeff goldblum. I'm show the other weirdness that happens to be on their plus weirdly. There's like the incredible dr poll on disney plus. There's like a discovery channel aspect to it or something. It's so i don't know like legacy. Content is good especially in this especially in this era where physical media seems to be going away going more towards the cloud and streaming but like we've been saying this whole episode. I don't know if i want to pay it see and that's the thing too is like years ago. What's funny is a lot of the shows. I really enjoyed either bought. The d._v._d.'s granted i've since since traded them all end because it was a space issue but <hes> <hes> i have specific episodes that were my favorite episodes of any given series and i have them all on a flash drive and that's where they reside so if i ever feel nostalgic legit. I go back and watch that episode. I've got the best of the best in my opinion and i don't really care to see the rest of the series again in most regards yards like i must it's track like i really don't go back and watch anything. That's literally the only series. I will go back and watch like that. I i have like access to and that's that's about it and it's i don't know and that's ed's religiously draw for c._b._s. All axes pharma's because the new stuff that's coming up <hes> but so switching gears slightly lightly but in the same vein <hes> what do you think about websites and podcasts that are trying to do subscription models on their websites <hes> like their 'gate-keeping people from say. I'm who's will not the news but like like <hes> fictional drama podcasts or things of that nature. You better be proving me that. You'd better be able to prove to me. You're worth with the money and yes actors and artists should should be paid. You should compensate your artists. You should not do anything for free but at the same the time has to be worth it and that's gonna come up to the individual like they. That's a difficult one because one of the websites it's that do subscriptions are bloody annoying up here in canada one of the national newspapers the toronto star their app. You get five free the articles and then you have to pay for it to hell with that. You were free for years. I know you're struggling to survive in this new. Digital age should have thought about yeah that but that's a pain in the butt but but paying for an audio podcast. I guess if you you enjoy it pay for it. I mean just make sure it's a reasonable amount see i've seen 'cause i've kind of been 'cause 'cause. I live in this world now. Because i'm a producer of one i've been kind of scanning around other programs to see how they their their business models are in. There's there's a couple of comparable to us that for instance one of them. They get keep you from their website. It looks like it's from two thousand six like they haven't it just looks severely dated and they have joined their are there little club and <hes> in order to listen to any of the podcast other than the most recent one which again if you listen to the most recent one you're lost because there's like decades of content but they get some perks and everything else but like it's it's like big ten bucks a month for one show and insulate in that regard like i'm almost like it would be better to do like a separate thing for the club and have the show for free you know as an enhancement type scenario towards optional like i dunno no no. It's it's kind of like a weird situation and i've seen a couple of other shows. Do it differently like they've they've had <hes> one of them's done by gimblett and they granted granted. They have money behind them. <hes> so it's a really well thought out well well done dramatization fictional podcast but it's paid for with advertisers as opposed to making the listener pay so i i feel like that model is more up the alley for something that that would be broadcast on radio or something that would be broadcast on podcast as opposed to gate keeping them in a subscription model but i don't exactly know 'cause i've seen like i said i've seen quite a few. Do both crickets say i yeah like it's going to be tricky to find out what business model works for you especially considering how unpredictable this industry is. It's any site that decides to do it. It's a gamble especially if they're in new podcast or a new website. You're you're taking a risk and see that's. That's what i feel like. Two is like this whole subscription model thing has hit this plateau. Finally in it's going to start. Are doing this hard crash down well. Yeah i mean you look at websites. I mean to go on the subscription model train again. We were talking about earlier. Sure there's a patriotic crash. There's too many of them and you don't know what's worth your time or worth your effort with these creators. Here's and content and like i said earlier yes you should pay your artists and artists should be paid. But how do you know that's. That's what you want to support and i guess your country is always like lecture wallet speak for you. It's true man. It's weird but hey party on lake yet. People will only know if the contents good if it's supported the contact would be fantastic but no one's paying for it. So where do you find that distinction yeah and that's and then the difficult thing in figuring that out so yeah i don't know it's it's definitely something that's worth weighing but i definitely welcomed the listeners to you. 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Anticipated Movies of 2020

Altered Geek

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Anticipated Movies of 2020

"At this point is you're tuned in to alter geek low in and welcome to alter your host Steve Phillips joining me in this episode is Mike Birdman John and Alex from this week dot. We are joined leaned to this episode this week to talk about the most anticipated movies of twenty twenty and some of the ones that we think are going to be total dogs not so without further ado. Let's let's get into it. I like that term dogs now again. There's probably going to be. We're so early in like there's going to be more movies announced that especially for the late summer to fall winter that there's going to stop things get moved. Yeah the really big titles have already been announced already. Your had this generally how it works. But there's GonNa be a lot of medium budget titles or things that were Dates to be determined that will pop up later and or or even like indie titles that we ended up liking more. But I guess these are all the ones that have been announced currently as of like this month so it looks like it's broken down into a few movies per month deal so you just want to start with Like January some of these might have already come out are coming out now. Yeah so it. Afire often in January Very early on we have the grudge. which is a remake of a remake of a remake? Now this kind of looks okay and it looks scarier scarier John Show on it. I think yeah scarier than the original. I am confused the garage with the ring and this doesn't look as good as the ring But this does look better than the grudge like the was it Sarah Michelle Gellar one. Yeah this looks a lot better than that. There is one. It's not on our list. It's probably out by now. It's called Antlers. I think it is and it's basically about a skin walker. which which Louis Really frigging cool? I really want to get out the theaters to see that right around the exact same time as the grudge. Yeah so I'm surprised putting all these horror movies in January which is really odd time. Well he used to be the dead month but remember January and February is when we started getting weird stuff. Like Gotcha John Wick. Yeah we're like you'd be like holy crap that you can actually make money in these months. Plus this way doesn't Saturate October so I get it These are either holdovers. That didn't make it for October or ones that they don't WanNa wait taught over for Bad Boys Three bad boys for life is coming. Ah We're being released January. Seventeen that I'm optimistic for. It's not Michael Bay. Which makes me upset which is weird thing thing for somebody to say but I think it will do okay money but I don't think it's going to do great money because Michael Bay? He knows action. He's probably to the best of that style of action movie director but from what I hear. The director was a very very big fan and is trying to make it as close as possible and they did bring back the captain captained. Which makes me happy so I'll give it a watch? It's probably going to be a movie. I see I've got a I've got some movie passes. Listen I even have. I was one of the smart guys that when I did some Christmas shopping I purchased fifty dollars worth of gift. Cards to hand up to my cousins got got myself. One of those holiday gift on will get a free movie tickets for. I think one has to be used in January and February. So maybe I'll use one for that and and the other like bigger movie is doolittle which seemed to come out of nowhere. The trailers for it only came out like two three weeks ago which is very odd for for for a very very large. I think it's Disney putting it out. It is for a Disney movie. It's only had a marketing campaign. Starts six to eight weeks for release kind of unheard of specially with such a large star attached to it but it is Robert Downey a junior then is true so he he's been pretty charming ever since he got stopped snorting the the booger sugar back in the today. Pretty consistent twenty years or fifteen years actually ever since bank aim out. Well that's what he he'll admitted problem was right. He just doesn't like talking about it now but Kiss Kiss Bang Bang really revitalize his career back in. Oh five oh six. And and he's been nonstop ever since and then we're looking like and there's going to be more movies released but these are sort of collected from what was it. fandom is the the collection is s s. these movies so it's sort of like what people are talking about so they are going to be movies on these lists that Maybe you don't think are that big as an audience member or maybe there's ones that you thinker bigger but these are just what's been published out there that we're sort of commenting on so there's generally you know three or four months February has birds of prey. which I am? I'm going to see probably going to be one of my birthday movies as my birthday is February second and it comes up February seventh. I'm curious about it. I haven't seen suicide squad yet. I'm going to have to watch it. I it's very loosely tied into that continuity although it ignores ninety nine percent of it like it's just the character looking design but it doesn't have anything to do with suicide squad allegedly. So I like Margot or go robby as Harley Quinn I really do I like most of the characters including in this I think you have a black mask is cool like if you haven't seen her turn in The Tonya harding movie was it was an. Im Tanya or I am some Eitan Tanya. She was great in that. Like something about all the Ozzy chicks where they can do all the different accents and drop it in and they really blow you know a lot of other actresses out of the water and she can do it all also if anybody can get that character over. It'll be her Yeah it looks pretty cool. We'll see -cause. DC's starting to get a good track record with their movies. Because wonder woman was great and Aquaman Zam will about Justice League. But let's be honest third. They're they're they're individual movies. That haven't involved Batman or Superman have been good. Yeah so the next big one is one that got pushed back from November of this year. So that is a completely redesigned. The character was sonic the hedgehog which I'm surprised. This movie's even coming out as a live action. Computer animation thing. You can start to see posters and standards in theaters now. We got a new trailer color. A coup- a couple of weeks ago and it looks good. It looks great however the theater or the company that did the visual effects for it was a Canadian Indian company and they're all unemployed. Now it's how a lot of these effects houses work unless they're owned by a studio they basically get built up to three or four projects in a row and then when the money any runs out. They're gone so now they do this. It's similar to similar to some of the construction industry on the East Coast. Certain Times of the year they shut down and then everybody collects unemployment so everybody here will be collecting money and then out of the blue somebody'll come along say we eighty to affect studio and then the same people that created that studio will then incorporate a new company so they can get more Canadian tax credits hire everybody back and they work for another. Oh you're too. So it's not as bad as the media makes it out to be just sort of how the industry ebbs and flows. I hope these people find work because looks fantastic. Yes Ah ignorant question do you wonder was that a ploy. Do you think they actually did have to change anything or had they made it and made this all some big elaborate Britt. No somebody screwed up somewhere. They had faith in this and they didn't WanNA listen to somebody. Lower down saying guys. This isn't cool but somebody in marketing said. Let's go with it so it's not my not my conspiracy by clicking. It's it's actually legit. They had a jacket or something. It looks great. Are you going to see Steve. Oh yeah totally. I A huge sonic fan. Your boys probably I mean I'm more of a one. The kids don't sit still into very enough. I just like yea I just. I don't Movie like appreciates on the kid. Anyway you know well in in I yeah I I grew up on sonic like on on the second genesis and everything so In playing the crap out of it and so having seen redesign. Now I'm fully. You know backing the end and I. I like the fact that Jim Carey's playing robot neck even though it's a little bit more joe cash with it with his character But I I enjoy what he's bringing to the table for it because it kind of reminds me of the USA Cartoon Express version of the adventures of sonic the Hedgehog. No matter how yeah the one I used to hate as a kid. The one I hated as a kid to everybody come on the TV. Okay Sonics on. Oh it's the bad sonic Yeah I I liked the the one that was more like hardcore hardcore. You sat you know what it was. It wasn't so much about neck and it wasn't even sonic that I didn't like it and I. It was the voice acting on the chicken. That was so grading on me that I could scratch and sniff. Yeah it was it was it was it. It was too much with like you know making the hair in the back of my neck. Stand up which is I. Guess Kudos to them but it was annoying to the point where I didn't want to watch now the no matter. How bad at sonic is you know? Jim Carey had fun because you can. You can tell when he phones it in nowadays. Oh yeah this is not this was him gleefully lethally having fun Oh yeah he can tell he enjoys it so that will definitely be a wh- like that's one of the four for sure order my tickets. Early Movie Now the next one was earlier before we were on air. Mike goes wait. That's the thing. I forgot the bloodshot movie. So the first in the valiant comics has invested a ton of money. So Sony I think Sony put in like a hundred or two hundred million dollars into developing hoping some of the properties They wanted to have their own comics. Universe if they couldn't have anything but just spiderman right so the valiant for those that don't know was the biggest independent comic a company ever. I'm going to say in the ninety S. I don't think so I think I think they were below image and top Calvin definitely in the top five in the early nineties before they were bought out by claim they had like each one of their comics were getting multiple million like circulation relation. They were They were really big from like ninety two ninety five And then they just fell apart due to mismanagement management as a lot of companies do But they they're probably most famous for bloodshot harbinger so man o' War X. amount of war which had crossovers with video games actually had crossover ironman. Yep on on Saturday or something. Saturn and the thirty hugh acts yeah or something. They were known for being geared towards more adult readers like or or like late teens to college. Readers were in the nineties. Comics were still mostly geared towards younger teens or kids so they were sort of like they were like the imprint comics of all the like. DC would do later on But before that was a thing you know like they would do they would do themes that were more bloody more adult themed or more political. Oh so cool. So they want to start their own franchises or bring up their their movie series. They've got like three or four in the works and let shots the first one and starring Vin diesel. Because he's a comic book doc and DND nut so it looks pretty cool The special excellent pretty darn good for certain scenes in certain scenes. I'm like he from the trailer. I'm probably still going to see it because I I'm one of the people that actually owns the bloodshot when when valley came back about what nearly ten years ago now I own few of the first first volumes. So I wanna see how close they actually make it to the actual source material Because right now he doesn't look anything like bloodshot doesn't the comics where he's all white like he looks like he looks like he's supposed to look like mister sinister and he right now. He looks like I'm a steal a car pro. I fully expecting that. The last movie is where he's going to look like you're supposed to look in which case is Horsh it for him to go through the movie ninety percent without the costume. Yeah exactly so we'll see where this goes but I'm still going. I am tepid but I'm going to check it out. Oh March brings us a couple of these. I don't care about onward. I don't know what that is. I think it's a pixar or dreamworks. DreamWorks animation. I don't know but when I do care about is a quiet place. Part to the first quiet place was amazing. I didn't expect expect to be as good as it was. And if you have a really good sir surround sound system. This movie beautiful. I haven't I haven't seen yet but I'm going to but but onward is the new Pixar movie and it's weakened at Bernie's but with finish so it takes place in an alternate world where uh-huh metrical theories and everything existed picture. Oh Dude it's basically like shadow run a little bit like what if Fairy Tales Dell's like medieval time fairy tales with technology yet. Like what if Lord of the Rings was set in the Modern Day. Okay Eh but magic is no longer existing and ev- everybody like you happen to be descendants of trolls elves and fairies but magic hasn't existed in hundreds one hundred years And then these two boys find out their dad was a wizard. They have a or secretly wizard the wizard staff and they find out that he left them spell. That can bring. I'm back from the dead for one day just to spend time with them before yes to go away. They go to cast the spell of a trailer gets halfway revived all the way up to his torso and they fall and the spell breaks and their dad has revived just to historic so and they have to run around the country with their dad in a pickup truck or in a Shangen wagon or ban. It looks like one of those eighties bands with like a like a Unicorn exit onto the side as they try to find somebody else who can help them. CAST the rest of the spell to bring their dad back so they can say hi before he disappears forever. Oh what they're doing is they weekend at Bernie's the whole thing by making a makeshift body with an put. Fake Sunglasses Assez on it and everything either taking him around so it looks Kinda funny. It'll probably be worth it it. It is odd for a pixar movie to come out in March though So especially with Moulin coming up in the same month which is the only live action Disney movie. I actually want to see mulally. Looks really cool. Because it's the only one that makes sense to to be live action. I could make an argument for Cinderella. I think but it's been done too many times. This is a story that like you know what I mean. There's other Cinderella stories. There's other Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale stories there's other GRIMM's fairy translates. This was very unique in that it was like a far raced. Age a story so it hasn't been done at least by a Western audience before the closest thing we can maybe get to something like that would have been what. The movies like hero would fearless back in the day. Tried to bring that to the West but this is trying to bring that to the West on a large scale which looks cool. Say with quiet place looks. I don't know if there's any of these interest you steal. He likes shiny things. No I don't want anything. Okay so moving on April this one the movie that just won't die new mutants. Haven't they moved there like three times four times at least at least this movie and I and it's supposed to be part of the marvel cinematic universe what's the point and it's been pushed stew for two years. It's been finished and re edited like three times over the course of two years multiple re-shoots to the point were what's her name from. Game of thrones. That was an. She's aged out of the character and they've had to shoot around that like some of the some of these characters actors when they started filming five years ago were teenagers and now they no longer teenagers. That's bad so will I see it. Oh you betcha is going to be. It's not GonNa stay in theaters law. I suffered through dark phoenix an Amex and I got a cool key chain out of it so I better got a damn keychain out of this one to the other movie so far that's been announced for April. There's gotta be more than that but maybe not with few things coming out march. But it's the next next James Bond no time to die which will be. That's an instant Go-to for me and my family. I'll see it. Maybe I don't know Blair doesn't like the James Bond movies which is really weird. I find but I I like Daniel Craig so sure. It's his last bond movie so all right why not moving onto may get black widow. I'm they're opening night for that because I've been waiting for this movie for years us as much as I have a distaste for her. As an actress I will see it mostly. Is it supposed to take place during the time. I am span of three the civil war I thought it takes some parts of it take place in different time periods like I thought take place in the ninety s and parts of it take place after civil war see I thought it was partially after Infinity War but I guess not because I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure because maybe you're right because there's too many people in it but I will see it because it David Harbour that guy. He's fantastic and he looks great. Or whatever Russian Superhero. He's going to be playing. He plays Red Guardian. WHO's basically Russian captain? America took the same super soldier serum but not as good still fits. This looks great. Actually this movie. I had no idea in fact I wonder if this is a mistake. At this point the Barbie movies coming out. I've heard nothing about this I went up into the state to. Yeah there's just something about that that seems off to me and legally blonde three also seems to be a mistake. I know it was in production at some point. But there's no way we it's an animated. Okay why I think AAC. Why because does the world need bore? Ellwood I ask you that Question Barbie movie. It is starring Margot Robbie which I bet it's animated the Barbie movie. It's apparently is going to be live action. It's so maybe this doesn't as a twenty twenty release and it was slated. It'd for spring summer. I predict this buried in the fall sometime. Yeah because you put movies in. May you believe in and money making money. Well if you look at what comes out right before it like you got James Bond coming up at the beginning of April which at the beginning of May they will still be in theaters. You Got Black widow may first and then you've got like I don't think legally blonde is coming out same thing because you got fast furious at the end of the month. I guess you could throw it in the middle there. But there's going to be something else. Probably a mid range budget action movie that will get released somewhere in between there and it will just just tank like who who is the market for Barbie Barbie has toy has been selling less than it's ever sold girls A Lotta Times are just getting being regular action. Figures like it doesn't that whole overly feminine Toy Line isn't the they've talked about. Mattel said it doesn't I like it used to so I don't know even know why they're making that movie. Is it for like people. My Mom's age to watch. I don't know it's weird because it's come come editor weird cultural time when gender roles are shifting right now so I don't I watch I would watch Barbie the Hardcore Porno starring Margot Robbie any day any day any day of the week yet. Oh Barbie yeah yeah yeah totally. What don't tell me you wouldn't even in secret? You don't even care. I would one hundred percent abuse murder rabbit. Well she's starting. Oh it's Barbie well. It's apparently a hardcore parnell and she gets stuffed on all ends. It'd be like what are you have my attention. I'M WE'RE GONNA go see the sure. Okay I standing there in line waiting to go in first night with everybody looking back and forth and it'd be like forty other dudes and I'd be like can you fucking believe this really going to be seeing this porno. Yeah it'd be sitting down in VIP they'd come up with would be like. Can I get you a beer and I'd be like yeah. Give me a jerk towel. That's the only way you get to see Barbie. I'd say that we're probably going to oppress copy to watch. Yeah yeah that's the furious nine until the guys at this weekend yes moving along. That's the theory is probably not a porno and I will see that. Because I'm up ridiculousness ridiculousness planner she. Oh I haven't seen a fashion if yours movies since like the fifth one comes out on May twenty second. My Dad's birthday is may nineteenth nineteenth. I don't know how many he's seen but I will make him watch all the others so I can take him to see it as an excuse for his birthday. Can you believe that franchise has been around for like twenty two years now. We will after the first two and third. I couldn't believe it but then I never saw the fourth but my brother told me it revitalized the series and then I saw a bit of the fifth and and then I my brother forced me to go see six seven eight together and we loved every second ever since the rock came on board. It's been a completely different movie series so moving on into July or June rather wonder woman eighty four. That's GonNa make a day one dollars huge. I am already so. It's not just the nostalgia factor it is. They've captured the looking sound and feel the eighties even with Pedro Pascal. 's Uh like infomercials is his dialogue that you know just the waste delivering. The lines is one hundred percent. How every commercial Sounded them. Yeah it's going to be cool and I like the fact that wonder woman takes a DC character and really gives it its do. Oh like it's going to be cool. And the fact that she's using the Lasso of truth to swing on lightning. That's frigging amazing The candyman remake remake which I think Jordan peele right I yeah. I think pretty sure that's going to be awesome like. I'm just looking forward to that one because horror remakes. I find in the last couple of years. They've been really really good so I got high hopes for that one. I don't know what Seoul Seoul is though that's that that's a pixar exert sequel sort of by the same the same visions of same writing team. That did Inside out cocoa. Oh I'll bet so instead of being instead of being exploring your emotions attorney in your head. It's exploring the afterlife or something like that. Oh that's fascinating. Maybe I will see that the big one another big one. That comes out this month or that month is a top gun maverick. which has long been in development at multiple stages? But it's finally happening and vaguely cynical. I'm really cool. I'm interested you know I'm going to bet something. I have never seen top gun from beginning to finish. I have only seen bits and pieces on TV and the Super Super Gay volleyball seen that I laugh at every time. And here's from the trailer for this. They have a super forgave. Always another one. So I'm okay with that and if you haven't if you don't know what I'm talking about watch the Super Gay volleyball seen on Youtube and then watch the Future Man TV if you show mocking it where they they do a shot for shot remake of it and then make it even more over homoerotic which is even more funny I think it looks fantastic. Now that one looks to have had a ton of input from the United States air force like it looks like they strapped opt. I'm Max cameras to the actual jets which does not surprise me if they did that. Because I've never seen anything like that. That hyper realistic. Well one of the things that Tom Cruise kind of prides himself on his doing his own ship when he does the mission impossible. That's him actually flying the helicopter like he took like weeks training courses so Tom Cruise probably logging legit flight. Time with these aircraft. was someone probably flying with them But still he's in charge of multi-million dollar airplanes so this is going to be cool. I'm looking forward to it. I hope it doesn't suck and we'll see the onto July look months for me minions like five or something was others or or disc would be. There was despicable me. One two three million. So yeah this is like five. This is the rise of grew. That should be funny. I liked the millions movies so why not ghostbusters. There's afterlife which has the potential to be really amazing directed by Jason Jason Reitman son of Ivan Reitman. It has like a stranger things kind of vibe. Some people are complaining. It doesn't look funny but go back and original ghostbusters. It had humorous moments but it was a supernatural adventure adventure comedy so kind of the biggest complaint I have is. They're doing a little too much with the you know. Look at this epoch. Wondrous Chris film trailer like the way they build it up. It should have been more quirky trailer. But that's not on Reitman that's on who ever cut the trailer so the tone of the trailer. Where is a little too like building up to be like? Oh my God. This huge epic is coming back. Not necessarily how would cut that trailer. I did see the one I saw Jumanji. Three in theaters took my mom to see that trailer played for the beginning. I said what do you think of that. You want to go see it. And she's like I don't know I'm like she goes anybody coming back and I said yes she was all. Maybe they haven't done a good job of explaining. WHO's coming back yeah? I don't think we will see that likely either. Super Bowl or in May because like she's my mom is like the classic casualty or she likes the movie the original but she's is not somebody who goes to the movies for every little thing so for her it has to make such. She looked at it she goes she said is going to be as bad as that one with the women and my mom fool I was like what she goes. Yeah it was on TV a few weeks ago. And I really didn't like it and I was like. Oh man if my mom didn't like the one with the women and she. She was the amount of disdain in her voice for the women. I'm like all man so it wasn't just me. I wasn't being women Haiti it. It just wasn't a good movie so I think this is going to have to do a lot to wash that taste out of your mouth and I hope it does but but I will be seeing it probably first week. Yeah I'm seeing that opening night for sure The next what is the movie. I've never heard of called. It's ten tenant ever heard of it is They showed when I spy movie. Isn't it weird. Time travel movie by Nolan Christopher Nolan it has the most intense scene ever seen in the movie The there was an eight minute preview when I saw write a skywalker on I max. Where or they showed? How the entire opening sequence was done with Imax? Seventy millimeter cameras so It it's about them. He shows him and another guy secretly secretly pretending to be part of a SWAT team. They sort of move in with the SWAT team to under appearance. Stop an assassination attempt at an opera in Russia but in fact they what's revealed. Is that that Swat team was actually there to kill the people and but their job is basically subvert the SWAT team so like they're secretly secretly infiltrating an assassination guild to actually sort them and while they're doing the one guy almost is the main character there that you see in the tenant picture and he. This guy goes to shoot a bullet Adam and he sees the fire and then it disappears because of what the Hell and he actually sees time reverse and things shift around him like things are moving in weird ways and he's he goes like what the fuck and then he realizes that it's sorta reveals that he's he's being pulled into a government agency. That's trying to stop worth three. But we're worth is what you say we're we're three isn't what you think it's going to be. And then it shows like a car they're driving on the road in a car flips over in front of them but then instead of crashing into them the car fixes itself unrolls itself back on the highway and ends with him like looking like what the hell is going on. And that's how the trailer ends okay. That sounds more interesting because I did see eighty something for this in front of Skywalker but I was like what the Hell is. Yeah the the Max. One had a full eight minute uninterrupted. Seen so we he had like forty seconds or something. Yeah so this think the weird physics physics that happened in inception but quantum break right. Yeah that's what I think. It looks pretty cool Jungle cruise is coming out at the end of the month. which that is based on the some some Land Ryan starring Emily Blunt and the Rock? Yeah it's it's based off the ride it. It's the Rock. It's GonNa be fun it'll be fun is not making this. There's no way. What is more obvious? morpheus is Spiderman ally. He's known as the living vampire play. Jared leto asthma. Yeah that guy so somehow no. It is the fact that we haven't haven't even we've seen one teaser. Shot maybe two from the set. But you don't see him in full makeup. You don't see him in costume. No there. This is not making July thirty. I it'll get pushed because no and the idea of putting. I like the fact that Sony is creating a spiderman shared universe but maybe leave it to the marvel people because the villain gallery is strong. His ally Gallery Gallery not so much unless you have the rest of the marvel heroes. So what are we craving the hunter. The movie there was talk of that for a while and then it would be cool. Who who would you get? Would you get like a Russian. Do Plan or Jason. MOMOA wouldn't be terrible craven. But he's too tied into into but he's probably thinking like you could probably they would probably go with some big wrestler dude or something like yeah. That's what I would do like. His English was better. Wouldn't the mountain. From game of thrones be good for him. I think he's a little too big now if you turn. The mounted forgave thrones into the Rhino. That would be awesome. Give him the big suit. How Could Act Rhino? The actual wrestler. He has the body. Does he really need to find somebody. That could fit that. But I I think it would work and then for August they only have one thing. Let's because you know there's going to be more listed in August coming to this having announced yet but it's bill and Ted and I am seeing that day. FM ONE YUP. I think we'll see a trailer by you. Might get a teaser. Her at Super Bowl. But you'll probably see full trailer by by May so that one will likely make releases we're starting to see some promo. I have come out of it now. So stay tuned for that one. I think that one will be pretty cool. I'm really looking forward to bill and Ted but that's more circus. I liked the original too. It's got thirty years of expectation and how it yeah they'll be some sort of tribute in there to Decarlo. Oh God yeah for sure. The they'll mention rufus or something totally in September a little less strong Ron stor hunter movie after one thing to consider too before we get into this is renting the second half of the year. Very few things are concrete. On creedence stone. Yeah like most of these movies looking at them. Now I can tell you are not happening. There's a monster monster hunter. It's it's based upon the game but only if a military unit gets transported to the monster hunter it's looked so stupid Starring resonated veteran milio with rich. I think and that's because why not I guess. Let me guess. Her husband is probably directing it. I actually think so. So Paul W S Anderson Anders. Go get him. Yeah the non. Not The wes Anderson the Artistic Guy and not the Paul Thomas Anderson of the really good director this crappy Anderson. This is the great value Anderson The next one. I don't know anything about the kingsman. It's the it's the Prequel to the Kings kingsman into it takes place thoughts eighteen twenties or so after World War One. I believe it will be fun. You should if you haven't seen the I too. Have you seen the first one at all Michael no entire on my list to watch his become. It becomes a trainee. I read the comics. So it's a little different than the comic. Basically he's a trainee to become a James Bond type character. That's what I say. His his at when it comes time at the end of the the big saving thing his entire motivation is the print. The princess's locked up. She tells him if he saves her he can fucked in the ASS and I'm not not kidding. She says if you save the world we can do it in the ass and he goes. I'll be right back. And then he goes to save the world and that's and then the the movie ends. The first movie is is funny because Amb Jackson. Yes but the movie ends with with him like them looking through like a camera like in his glasses as he's turning the girl over and pulling your pants down and then they turn off the camera like holy. I wish that literally like Vulgar James Bond is what the movie is and yes. Samuel Jackson plays a bond villain in it. Who is upset is McDonald's? Yeah he's obsessed zest with being a billionaire and having everything super clean but his favorite food in the world are big MACs so weird list. He's got the super list and he's he's like Oh the dinner of kings and it's all because it sounds to. Yeah and they have more Campbell in it for like a little bit and the second movie is about them saving Elton John Wall and then they bring back Colin firth from the first and so this third one is a prequel to set up the whole Universe of the gentlemen of how how that That secret societies yeah The second one also Oh has introduced the Americans the American division which is basically cowboys. Yeah what's his name. I was going to play. Gambit channing. Tatum yeah he is one of the cowboys in the nave. Get One plays clue you and Tron legacy. Yeah Dude Dude. Yeah Okay Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah rivers name so in England. The they're the king's men in the states that the statesman that's the okay. And they they. They're secret identity cowboys cowboys basically. It's it's hilarious. It's what if men in black was was about the super spies. Okay so there were better. Yeah it is honestly it's worth watching Put that on your list of things. If you just want to have a feel-good day is watch those movies. There's hilarious and they are. They are really are rated like really like I was joking or exaggerating Michael. When the plot of the first they also have chips where they oh they'd have to everybody connected to the Internet Internet? Yeah there's there's a bunch of a bunch of Hilarious Gore I'll say that and cannibals in the lady with the what is it the lady the or the dude that has RAZOR BLADE LEGS The lady. So the next movie says September twenty fifth as many saints of Newark. I have no idea what that is. But don't care don't care and then last night and so don't care a trailer for October and again. These are going to be a lot more announced but October death on the Nile. I don't know what that is except that it looks to be a poor movie. Looks like a sequel to murder on the Orient. That came out last year for which I heard good things about because Kenneth Branagh sure if he wants to be the Grocer Halloween kills. I haven't seen the last Halloween though. Oh it was really good. I was genuinely surprised by in a basically wipes all of Halloween nudie except the first one so okay so it'll be cool then. The snake is movie. which was the GonNa GonNa Happen? Well not to mention this. This might be a little outdated this even those newer info graphic. The talk was that it's no longer a snake is that it is a full on gi. Joe If that's going to happen rock has to be on it or channing. Tatum one of the two so I would assume that that gets pushed till next spring. The dead now they'll reboot it. Yeah it'll be a new continuity because it can be anybody in the snake suit as laws are good martial arts. They wanted wanted to make any money. It has to have the rock though. He's the he's the only thing that anchored the last film I liked how they had Joke Olsen Be Bruce Willis. Yeah I don't know what's the witches is about so your mind and say hi budget remake of the role dull movie from the early early nineties. That had ANJELICA Huston. which do you remember that movie? Cool do yeah where she has the turning into like rap people the scary as hell but it looks to be the main which is no longer indelicate. Houston it's Anne hathaway could be astonishing because I find her very attractive and I'll be disturbed if I still find her attractive after all the makeup gets put on who to turn her into an evil rat. which but that should be interesting because it's been a while since we've had a role doll adaptation? That was good because I'm not gonNA count the Weird Charleen chocolate factory movie That's all they have for October. So you know there's GonNa be more horror films coming out. Although Halloween will probably be the number one movie like that month I think saw supposed a post. Come out this year. Maybe it is. Isn't that main made by Chris. Rock somebody thinks so something like that. Why not complete? There's actually a lot of blood house Pictures and a lot of stuff produced by Jordan peele that haven't shown up on these lists because they don't have definitive dates. The one movie. I'M GONNA say early in the year ear that we wasn't on this list that I think will make a lot of people's less is the remake of fantasy island which is being remade as a pure horror film by Jordan. Feel that will that will. Probably it'll be cool now November so we have the turtles that that has a hard date. I know that that's that's for sure coming out. This is a marvel the movie that I don't know how it's going to do because the turtles if they're a very interesting race of characters in the marvel universe they're basically gods. Now we're less there. This isn't that terrible. Oh I'm thinking of that terrible when that was canceled after one episode aired heard a TV show. Yeah you're thinking of the in humans internals Canada reeves right no you're thinking of something out. There was talk of him. Being in it edge Angelina. Jolie's it. Yes so what they're going to do at this one It'll be interesting to see how this ties into marvel face four th but then again. I didn't expect guardians of the Galaxy to work so I have to trust the house of Marvel the House of ideas. The see what happens here but We'll see I guess. Looking at the casting engineer initially as Thana China Richard Madden as Congress Kumail Nangiani who you would know from Stupor. I guess as King Well he's also Johnny when God's Snow Plays the Black Knight Oh is that looking at other names on on here Selma Hayek Senate as Jock and that's it. I don't recognize any other names. Yeah all I know. Is Jon snow. You don't be surprised if we reuse reveal or some cameo or something because he's popping up everything good right now so they could use some of that I don't know like I have this is that's a series. I had no knowledge of so. I'm going to go in blind. I don't WanNa read anything about. Ah I know very little because I read some comics in the nineties with the eternal because they tied into the Infinity Garland somehow. But we'll see what happens like like. I said this is all going to die in the marvel phase four who. I'm still predicting the big bad to be a nihilist or GLAC this. Or cain the conqueror so we'll see next to something called stillwater. which looks like Jason Bourne? I guess I don't mind you know idea a a lot. Although an another movie I don't think is good. I think this movie got pushed again. Is Godzilla vs Kong. Because I've heard nothing about it like I know it's supposed to happen. I haven't heard anything about if being production or being shot or nothing so either feeling this. This particular month is really add. A date and a lot of these are subject to moving. Another one's called red notice. I think I've seen something on this but I'm not one hundred percent. Sure looking up right now because it's bugging me Raya and the last dragon looks cool. Don't know anything about it but it looks like a red notice. I just looked it up. I am to be listed as twenty. Twenty one yes. I think some of these even though like their tentative dates. That's right like they're like okay. Q four twenty twenty maybe January sort of. Yeah because this still has uncharted and uncharted. Just lost its director like yesterday. Yeah so it's one of those things where things are really going to be iffy over the next few months but like Gulliver's Kong might still come out if they've already been working on the C. G. for a while 'cause it's the Kong team working on it and as soon as they wrapped production on Godzilla King of the monsters. That team went to work on it as well so it already had half the team in pre production so I think Dune is supposed to come out in November and I think that will likely make its date your yeah probably know the shooting at now. Yeah true about King Richard Will Smith Movie Will Smith Movies. It's really hard to tell it's going to depend on. How well bad boys choice does? Because he's had a really shoddy track record theaters in the last. What ten years? Yeah last decade is not that I would be surprised if it just gets pulled altogether escape room to i. Don't even know did not escape from one Dounia used you said it makes sense coming to America. That is coming out for sure. They've already. I'm there I'm looking back. Having seen the first one secret. Shame I don't think I've ever seen it. It's really funny really. I see I used to coming to America and Golden Trout mixed up because I used to see clips both shirt. It does doesn't even have a script yet so tom and Jerry. Probably because it's it's Warner animation. And and they would have already had that set pretty stone who who's the voice cast though shouldn't be any voice cast doing it right talks though Tom Talks. And Sodas Jerry. They're not supposed to. I know I know but any see one of the things about Hollywood is if you have an the animated movie you just put famous people in. It doesn't matter whether they can voice actor not GonNa do it like they didn't use them to talk and everybody else's talk around them. Yes but we're not that clever so it has a December twenty third. Release it. Yeah they're they're going all in with this as a Christmas release Khloe Graham Rats playing Ayla. Michael Pain is in it as a guy named terrence Ken Jong's in it. Delaney. Nobody's listed as voice in Thomas Jerry. I'll be surprised if it makes it's release. Here's something. He was originally set for April. Sixteen th two thousand twenty one. It was finished early and pushed pushed up to a December. Release interesting. Okay so I guess. We'll say the director. Is Tim story so so he just fantastic four one and two as well as here right it along. Think like a man. Think like a man to ride along too but he did shaft and this year's shaft. I really liked so. Maybe it'll the okay to say but those are all the ones that were listed as having I guess having dates. It's at the point that this was printed. So there's definitely going to be pictures that we all Wanna see. That aren't listed there but as far as those being the bigger titles that have dates or had dates of your shaping up to be pretty good I don't think comparatively do you think this this will year. Two thousand eighteen was better than than the upcoming year for movies. I think so. I think it might be an off year in most cases because I don't I don't think there's going to be anything that will match endgame. It's just not gonNA. They're not just that there are a lot of just decent and good. Things became the last twelve months. I'm almost thinking that this the twenty twenty it's going to be a TV year and then twenty twenty one will be a movie year. Yeah just twenty twenty one will have the next spiderman movie and that'll be another billion dollar for sure I think even because With video games. Everything's winding down with the exception of Nintendo this year for the current Gen. I feel like twenty twenty is going to be basically a year for Nintendo for gaming a huge year for streaming and television and a so-so to okay year for movies and then twenty twenty. One we're going to have to have our wallets ready because it's going to be really really busy when it comes to the African stuff Plus you know those that do want to upgrade to a new generation of consoles as soon as the pre orders come out put down your five dollars and keep putting twenty bucks a month down so that you're not get hit with a huge bill when it comes out. That's what I'm either going to go to games and trade some stuff or I might do the old get a free Amazon and then every month by like a fifty dollar gift card and added to the the order because I do not like I have a feeling that the both systems are going to be like. Hey Ah we're five ninety nine Canadian or four nine American it'd be like well buck. That's eleven hundred dollars after taxes so I fully predicted 2021 is going to be a lean year as far as our pocketbooks go. Yeah it's going to be an expensive here. It probably will so. I think that about reps this conversation up. I think so. So if you're looking for us around the twitter universe and other social platforms. Where can they find you? Steve They can find me at twenty one or at altered. Geek are a cool if you're looking for me and find me on twitter instagram and facebook usually under Birdman Dodd. I almost always reply almost anytime day or night. Depending thank and Alex where can they find you when it comes to gaming platforms. I'm usually at death phase. That's D. E. H. p. h. e.. I picked that when I was in high school and for once. It's actually a decent name that nobody else used. And as far as social media goes it's death as under store. TWIG or defaced. Week was one word. One of the two will find me on on social media Also find me in the back of this week find me on facebook or if you really having a hard our time contact Bergman. He's everywhere pretty much. So as Steve might say. Get altered. Geeky with the Altar Keith Yeah.

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Maddie Clifton

Murder Minute

29:36 min | 1 year ago

Maddie Clifton

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Don't forget to follow us on Instagram and twitter at starbucks audio enjoyed the show and remember. Stay stay stay healthy and keep laughing. Welcome to murder minute on today's episode the murder of Maddie Clifton. But I your true crime headlines. The Philadelphia District Attorney's office has filed charges against a twenty seven year old city woman for allegedly spitting onto people at a specialty food store. Twenty old jacqueline McBride has been charged in connection with the incidents which both occurred at debris no brothers. Gourmet food store in one of the incidents. Ms McBride Spit on another shopper. During an argument about social distancing was recognized McBride as the same woman who also spat on a store employee. A few days earlier police released store surveillance video and asked for the public's help and identifying McBride who was quickly identified and arrested. She has been charged with two counts each of terroristic threats simple assault and harassment. She is scheduled to return to court in early. June a security guard was shot and killed after asking a customer to wear a mask inside the store. The incident occurred at the family dollar store. In Flint Michigan where forty-three-year-old old Calvin Motherland worked as a security guard when a woman and her teenage daughter entered the store motherland instructed. The teenage girl to wear a mask as ordered by the state's governor. The teenager left the store and her mother got into a verbal altercation with Monir Lynn. Who then told the woman to also leave the store? The woman forty-five-year-old Sharm El teague returned home and told her husband about the incident. Her husband and her twenty three year old son drove to the store confronted the security guard and shot him in the head. He was rushed to a local hospital where he died from his injuries. Shore milteer her husband Larry Teague and her son as Bishop or all facing felony firearms charges and bishop is also facing a first degree murder charge. Shaw Melt Hige is in custody. Awaiting arraignment and police are searching for her husband and son. A Dallas. Police officer was arrested in his patrol car for driving while intoxicated. Last week. Officer Sean Mock was arrested for. Dwi around two fifteen a m while sitting in a parked marked squad car. According to a police spokesperson he was on duty at the time of the arrest. Mock has been a member of the force. Since two thousand nine and is employed as a patrol officer assigned to the city's northwest division mock was booked into the Dallas County jail and was released after posting. Five hundred dollars cash bond. He was placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of an investigation which will be conducted by the Internal Affairs Division of the Dallas. P D. 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Free for thirty days by going to sundance now dot com and using the Promo Code M. That's your first thirty days free at Sundance. Now Dot Com code m welcome back to murder minute. It was election day. November third nineteen ninety eight in Jacksonville. Florida and citizens over the country were standing in line at the polls to cast their vote for the next president of the United States but two eight-year-old Mattie Clifton. It was just another Tuesday at around five pm while the grownups were still at were got the polls or glued to their television sets. Mattie a tomboy who liked dancing and drumming but especially loved basketball and her older sister. Jessie went out to play with the neighborhood. Kids at around six PM. The Sun had set and her mother Sheila called Mattie and her sister. Jessie back in for dinner. Jessie came back but matty did. Not Jesse told her mother that she hadn't been with her younger sister and didn't know where she was. It wasn't long before Sheila Clifton called nine one one to report Mattie missing it was like she shut the door and just poof vanished off the face of the earth. Her Father Steve told. Cbs The Clintons and their neighbors grabbed their flashlights and searched for matty late into the night among them were Steve and Missy Phillips and their son Josh over the next several days four hundred strong search parties of local volunteers searched for the little girl. Flyers were distributed throughout Jacksonville and Maddie Clifton. Face was soon plastered across every television. Even America's most wanted offered to broadcast her story. A reward was offered fifty thousand dollars soon. It doubled but there was still no sign of Mattie. Investigators knew that Mattie had most likely been abducted by someone she knew someone nearby as they looked into the neighbors one of them stood out a man who had been arrested over a decade earlier for multiple sexual assault cases but had been released when the charges were dropped. The suspect failed a lie detector. Test when questioned about Maddie's disappearance but succeeded in providing an alibi then on the seventh day the search for Maddie Clifton abruptly ended on the morning of November nineteen ninety eight across the street from the Clifton home missy Phillips went into her son Josh's room to tidy up that morning I decided to get a head start on helping my fourteen year old son. Joshua to clean his room. Mrs Phillips later wrote his father and I had both been nagging him for weeks. Josh and his father left the house just after seven. Am that morning. And I had a few hours until I had to report to my job. I walked into my son's room and shook my head at the mess as I pondered where to begin. I noticed a wet spot on the floor at the corner of Josh's soft sided waterbed and groaned. Don't tell me. The bed is leaking. I touched the corner of the mattress. And it was soaked. I decided to investigate the cause of the leak rather than tackle the cleaning as I lifted the corner of the mattress. I A white sock and figured it was one of Josh's so started to pull on it but it wouldn't budge about that time. I noticed black electrical tape holding the black frame of the pedestal together and surmised. The bed must have been leaking for quite some time and apparently Josh had attempted to hold it together with the tape so that he wouldn't get in trouble. The tape freely pulled away from the pedestal. In the woods gave way just enough that I could at least see the sock better. I grabbed it and this time felt something else as I pulled the pedestal slightly away. The stock fell down and I felt something cold. It could not be what I thought it was yet. Somehow I knew exactly what I had found the missing little girl from across the street. I was in shock and my first thought was to call my husband at work to be with me but he wasn't. That is desk yet and I could only leave a frantic message on his voice mail to call me immediately. An emergency a paced the floor clutching the phone to my chest. Willing it to ring but it didn't. The police had been in our neighborhood for a week. All I had to do was walk out my front door and get an officer to come back with me. It seemed surreal walking out my front door. What was I doing? I was about to implicate my own son in this horrifying discovery. As I walked down my driveway. I glanced over at Clifton House and realized right then at that very moment they still had hope but in a few moments they would know. Their little girl was never coming home again across the street. The Clifton soon noticed police putting up crime scene tape around the Phillips House. Josh was in his geography class at school when he was called to the Office met by two detectives and taken into custody. Mr and Mrs Phillips. Their fourteen year old son at the police station in the interrogation room. Steve Phillips told his son to tell the detectives the truth. Steve asked Josh if he knew what he was. There for. Josh said that he didn't Steve. Then said your mom found Mattie in your room with his father by his side. Josh confessed and described to police what he claimed happened. The day that eight-year-old Mattie was killed according to Josh Mattie came over to his house and wanted to play Josh told her that he had to do his chores. But she persisted. Josh said Okay but told Matty that he could only play for a few minutes because his father would soon be getting home in would be angry if matty was there. Josh told police that around five fifteen pm he and Mattie were playing baseball in the backyard. Mattie pitched the ball to josh he hit it and it struck her in the head causing a big. Gash he said Mattie then fell down started to cry and Scream Josh panicked. He knew that his father would be home soon and feared that he would be angry. He picked marry up. Took her inside the house into his room. Put Her on the floor and strangled her with a phone cord for fifteen minutes. When she continued making noise he became even more scared when we are not at home. He's not allowed to go out and play. His father explained. He's not allowed to let anybody in in an attempt to silence her. Josh Hid Matt in the head with his baseball bat then he pulled out his pocket. Knife stabbed her twice in the throat and stuffed her under the base of his waterbed when his father returned home. Josh behaved normally but then returned to his bedroom when he heard Mattie mony when he discovered that Mattie was still alive. He removed the mattress and stabbed her eleven. More Times Joshua Earl. Patrick Phillips was arrested for the murder of eight-year-old Maddie Clifton four days after Joshua's arrest Maddie Clifton was buried as the Clifton mourned for their daughter. Josh's parents tried to understand what could have made their fourteen year old son commit such a heinous and violent act to everyone who knew him. Josh seemed like a completely normal kid. I don't know the monster and Weena Harris one of Josh's teachers told CBS. I knew the silly little boy in my class. He was funny. She said he made the other kids laugh for nearly nine months. The teenager sat in an isolation cell at a pretrial detention facility. Awaiting his trial he would be tried as an adult for first degree murder. His parents were permitted to visit for two hours on Thursdays and half an hour on Sundays. Speaking to their son through a phone in the early nineties many states including Florida changed their laws. Making it easier to try juveniles as adults putting the emphasis on punishment rather than rehabilitation to put any fourteen year old. Not only mine but any fourteen year old in prison for the rest of their lives. Josh's father Steve Phillips said. That's just ludicrous. The media made it virtually impossible for Josh to get a fair trial anywhere in this state. Missy Phillips said the lines of cars driving up and down this little road people getting out and taking pictures. The damage done to our home into our vehicles. Tires were slashed tail lights broken. The house was Egged dead animals minus their heads were tossed on our front walk. Our mail was stolen arms afraid to be in my house in equally terrified to leave it. I watched my dog carefully. While he was out in the yard frightened that someone might try to poison him because he was that monsters pet. Tom bowery a psychologist was hired by Josh's attorney to evaluate him. This is not what I would have seen as the typical kind of sociopathic wanting to kill wanting to maim deriving pleasure from the pain of others. Kind of kid he said. I don't think that's true at all. A second expert hired by Josh's attorneys a neurologist. Found that Josh had bilateral frontal lobe lesions. Which can impair judgement cause panic and impair a person's ability to comprehend the consequences of their actions. But the judge wouldn't allow this evidence to be presented in court in July of nineteen ninety nine. Josh trial began. The evidence against him was overwhelming. The baseball bat the pocket knife Joshua's own confession in a move that shocked many Josh's lawyer Richard Nichols called no witnesses. Instead the entire defense was a closing argument. Joshes attorney argued that the murder wasn't premeditated and pleaded with jurors to convict the teenager of manslaughter. We're not here to be some form of vengeance. He said we're not here to act. As a bunch of well-dressed vigilantes autopsy showed that manny had been beaten over the head stabbed twice in the neck and at least nine times in the chest. The evidence shows us. There was an accident that deteriorated into panic and then murder State Attorney. Harry Shorenstein disagreed. Joshes story he said didn't hold up against the physical evidence. There was no blood on the ball that George claimed. Busted matty's face while they were playing no blood in the yard and no dirt on Mary's body or clothes he pointed out that when Maddie's body was discovered beneath Josh's bed her pants and underpants been removed and that according to her sister Joshua had previously talked to matty and her sister about sex though her body showed no signs of rape. The prosecution suggested that the murder may have been sexually motivated. The trial lasted just two days on Wednesday. July eighth nineteen ninety nine after two hours to liberation. The jury returned with a verdict Joshua. Earl Patrick Phillips was guilty of first degree murder of eight-year-old Maddie Clifton. This case was open shot. Prosecutor Shore Stein said. There aren't any great explanations. This is a day of justice for Matty. She Clifton said outside the courthouse that piece of my heart that's gone is waiting on the other side waiting on the other side for us. After the verdict was handed down prosecutor. Harry shore steen revealed a detail to the press that had been ruled inadmissible in court in the half hour preceding. The Murder Josh was looking at violent pornographic websites on his computer shore. Steam believed that the photos Josh looked at prior to Matty's arrival at the house may have triggered his violence maddie's mother Sheila agreed. I believe had he not had access to the materials he had that Mattie would be sitting right now circuit judge. Charles Arnold set sentencing date August twelfth. Nineteen Ninety nine when the day came. Maddie's father addressed Josh Phillips to Joshua Phillips. We have but one thing to say. How dare you? How dare you take matty from us? For no reason. She was a beautiful gift from God to us. All and your friend and you brutally murdered her. May God rest your soul fifteen year old Joshua Earl. Patrick Phillips was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of Parole. Had he been sixteen years old he would have been eligible for the death penalty. This hearing brings a sad end to one of the most tragic proceedings of one of the most heinous crimes in our cities history prosecutor shore scene. Said everyone has suffered. Everyone has lost. Only the system of justice has prevailed judge Arnold addressed Josh. I do not perceive you to be a child. Your monstrous act in causing the death of Maddie Clifton made you an adult. I'm certain that on Judgment Day. You Joshua Earl Phillips will be given a far harsher sentence than I can impose then quoting Christ's words from Luke Seventeen. Arnold said it would be better if a millstone were hung around your neck and that you were thrown into the sea than to cause harm to a child. Josh and his family said nothing and left the courtroom later when asked by forty eight hours why he thought this happened. Josh replied. I don't know I don't think I have the answer. Maybe I should get some kind of counseling or something to find out. What's wrong with me? When asked what he would say to Matty's parents if he had the chance. Josh said I'd Beg for forgiveness that's all I could say. There's nothing else I could say. I guess I'd Say I'm sorry. But that wouldn't be enough ten years after the murder in two thousand eight twenty four year old. Josh Phillips was interviewed by the Florida Times Union in two thousand twelve after a series of failed peels led by his mother the. Us Supreme Court ruled that sentencing juveniles to mandatory life in prison. Without parole is unconstitutional. We have to start recognizing that children are not just short. Adults said Florida Senator Steven Geller. What happens if an eight-year-old shoots somebody do put them in prison for the rest of their life under current Florida law you can. I'm sorry I think that's wrong. In September of Twenty Sixteen Joshua Phillips was granted a new sentencing hearing as a result of retroactive application of the Supreme Court's ruling which declared his sentence mandatory life in prison without parole unconstitutional as a juvenile offender at his resentencing. Hearing Maddie's mother Sheila spoke. We were raising our girls in a Christian home where we prayed every day. What we didn't know was that the devil himself had moved in right across the street. The same devil that picked up his flashlight and proceeded to look for her knowing good and well where she was the whole time. The defendant now wants a second chance to live a second life. What does Mattie get to appeal her death sentence to should he ever be released from prison? I pray that I will no longer be on this earth in November of two thousand seventeen judge what L. Wallace resentenced thirty-three-year-old Joshua Phillips to life in prison. It is appropriate to impose a life sentence in a case that's a truly unusual case irredeemable depravity or the worst of the worst or circumstances that are truly unique and different from the ordinary wallace. Said I believe this is one of the most rare and unusual crimes that warrants life in prison the actions of the defendant in this case reflect characteristics not generally found in criminal behavior types of juveniles he targeted a helpless victim and carefully planned his actions toward her. He's actions inflicting injuries causing death particularly in silencing Maddie Clifton by repeated stabbings after he had dismissed her as dead as well as his cold and callous demeanor in hiding her decomposing body represent a level of depravity that cannot be explained or attributed to immaturity impetuosity or recklessness or headless risk. Taking the crime committed by the defendant is indeed the uncommon case that qualifies for life sentence on December seventeenth nineteen. This sentence of life in prison was upheld by floridas. First District Court of Appeal. Joshua Phillips is currently serving his sentence in the Cross City Correctional Institution. This has been murder minute for true crime anytime. Download the murder minute APP or follow us on Instagram at murder minute.

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Stacey Abrams

The Erick Erickson Show

05:06 min | 1 year ago

Stacey Abrams

"That leads me into the Stacey. Abrams stuff it does seem that she is campaigning. To be the vice presidential nominee for the Democrats. There's an op-ed in the in the New York Times. It's obvious whom Joe Biden should vice president. The subtitle is he needs a running mate. Who Strengthens the ticket? In areas. Where he's weakness. One person stands out Steve Phillips is a podcast hosts democracy in color with Steve Phillips. I don't know anything about him He's a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress. Which is a left wing. Think tank and he's the author of Brown is the new White House. The demographic revolution graded a new American majority as Jill Biden. Formerly begins his vice presidential selection process. He needs to find a ready made. Who Strengthens the Democratic ticket? In the area where he's weakest the nomination contest has highlighted three sizable shortcomings that imperil his quest to defeat President Trump I. He has failed to generate nearly any interest let alone meaningful support. Among young people in the presidential primaries second he has consistently lost the Latino vote in third he suffers from a well documented enthusiasm gap that could undermine his candidacy in the same way that Hillary Clinton failed to generate voter excitement resulting in a drop in voter turnout among key constituencies particularly African Americans. Mr BINDS MINISCULE SOUP levels of support among voters. Eighteen to twenty nine has been alarming Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and. Then he finally gets to the point of the people most often mentioned being on the vice presidential shortlist stacey. Abrams is what he should go with a close examination of the electoral track record of the possible partner. Shows that MS Abrams best offers would Mr Biden. Most needs to be clear. Abrams is on the Board of the Center for American progress where? I'm a senior fellow in terms of success with young people. Brock Obama's political popularity's unquestioned potential nominees only Ms Abrahams perform Mr Obama in her state. I mean y'all the the the movement is on in Abrams. I guess it was in vanity. Fair suggested yes she'd love to be. She thinks she's good she I I have a hard time. Seen an open campaign for Abrahams to be president actually helps Abrahams. Maybe it does but you want someone Joe Biden were to Keel over tomorrow. Who could be vice? Who could become president and Abrahams has never actually won a state wide race. She she's been a state representative in Georgia. And that's it and people on the left. They got so whipped overseeing part of this can we be honest here. A lot of this on the White Liberal side is white guilt. They so emotionally invested themselves in in federal roy in Texas. They ignored Andrew Gillum and Florence. Stacey Abrams in Georgia Two candidates who actually more much more viable and came closer to winning Than better work did in Texas and so there's a lot of white guilt. Oh we we ignore these black headed and now we need to boost them. Listen I I think. Abrams is a credible person. I think she's an actually is a nice person. I have met her. I disagree with completely on pretty much everything in politics. But she's a good person but she's not qualified to be vice president of the United States. She's been a state representative in Georgia period. A she tried to run for higher office and she lost she. She didn't even make it into a runoff people. People Free Oh she had solo. She couldn't even get into a runoff. I don't I understand the left's love affair now with Stacey Abrams and in so much of his guilt but the reality of the matter is she's not at a level of a of a Kamla Harris who got elected statewide is attorney. General and California's is a US senator. Or what's your name Governor Gresham in in New Mexico? Who's the first statewide elected Hispanic female in the Democratic Party was a health commissioner a congresswoman and now governor? There are way more people ahead of Stacey Abrams in terms of Paul affiliations than her and and it is something about the PR machine behind. Stacey Abrams that I think behind the scenes increasingly is rubbing some Democrats line. And I've heard from some of of the national see the basically the WHO does she think she is? She was a state Rep. You got people like Comma Harris or or Amy Kluber Shar or The Governor Gershon from New Mexico who fit the bill better than Abrahams? Who on the ticket still probably couldn't get Joe Biden to win Georgia one beyond the show? All area is one of those issues where we're GONNA have to. We're we as a people are going to have to recognize that there is a level of there is a level of media generated. Love affair that doesn't necessarily comport with reality. Well connect and then in and of itself I think is going to cause us problems.

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Episode #107 - CPA Steven Phillips, Duane Hoverston, Renee Jeffreys Heil and Eddie Rood

Beach Talk Radio

1:12:36 hr | 1 year ago

Episode #107 - CPA Steven Phillips, Duane Hoverston, Renee Jeffreys Heil and Eddie Rood

"This is talk. Radio all ships at sea. This is your Captain Facing Bean Gene Gene Gene. The following a test or so a Sonar Larnaca cable alarm and I'll make attack the longer live from peach timeout in the heart of Times Square. You're listening to beach. Talk Radio with Kim and Ed Ryan and welcome to beat Stock Radio Episode Number. One hundred seven. Today is Saturday April Fourth Twenty twenty and we are broadcasting live from our home studio which is really where everyone else should be. They should all be in their home studio. So here's an update from last night in case you're in a news blackout like the mayor has been Keep in mind for perspective that one month ago there were less than ten cases in the entire state of Florida. Ten cases of Corona Virus yesterday along twenty six people in Florida died from Corona Virus. That followed the worst day. Thursday when forty three people died and all one hundred and seventy Floridians have died from the corona virus. As of last night there were more than ten thousand people with the virus that total comes one day one day after Governor disentis issued the stay at home order between Thursday and Friday an additional twelve hundred sixty positive cases were reported in Florida the highest number of cases or in the age range of take a guess sixty five and older forty five to fifty four. That's followed by fifty five to sixty four and twenty five to thirty four in Lee County. There are now three hundred and four positive cases. One hundred and fifty five men one hundred and forty seven women eleven people have died in Lee County fifty five or still in the hospital and the CDC now recommends everyone start wearing masks to stop. The spread and Walmart is limiting the number of shoppers in its stores to five customers for each one thousand square feet. That's twenty percent twenty percent of a storage capacity on the beach. The latest move was for the town council to ban reservations for hotels. Rentals wherever you would make plans to come to. Fort Myers Beach for the next ninety days. And they say they'll revisit that every thirty days are you ready. I'm ready but you'll yelling the Miami in our backyard yet. Take your head towards the neighbors thing all right. Let's see Steve. Steve is out of the box. He'll get back in here so We'RE GONNA TALK to Steve Phillips. He's a certified public accountant. Steve has all the details on On what businesses need to do to apply for loans and we were talking a little bit before the show and it's It's quite confusing. It is quite infusing and I. I thought we were going to be able to ask him to if he had any suggestions for people personally to because we also are going to be having Dwayne on from the Small Business Association and To talk about all of the stuff that they offer down there as well for businesses. Welcome to the show. Can you hear us? Okay now Steve. Oh he can't hear us now. Isn't that strange? These we here. Yeah Yeah we hear. We heard him fine and Can you hear us now? Steve He's GonNa try and reboot I guess. So what is what is Dwayne GonNa talk about? We have him on it. Like nine thirty so dwayne is from the Small Business Development Center at FCC you out go ahead and yeah yeah. Can you hear about nine thirty? Can you hear us? Can you hear us? Can you hear us all right? Why don't you try and reboot it again? Try reboot it like it did before we'll give it one more shot you know. It's funny. We had him on earlier to be honest guests to be fair to add. 'cause I always kinda harsh on him but he did practice this when you left. I got it working and now you're back and it's not working. It's not in defensively anyway. It's the opposite of in defense of me so I don't know if it's bad Juju for you. So yes so he'll becoming on we used The SBA we use their services when we started the gym. And some friends of mine have also used those services so That'll be interesting when when he comes on the other. A lot of there are a lot of rules. I know the government's trying to turn Issa federal government's trying to turn this around quickly but there are a lot of rules that you have to follow in order to get the money and you need to use it for so you don't have to You don't have to pay it back. So let's see if we can Can you hear us now? I can hear your neck and your perfect. Yeah you know a little fun. We'LL GET SO STEVE. I for background. Give everybody that's watching and listening US. An idea of what you do and how long you've been in business so. I've been business for this gyration for ten years. I'M CPA for twenty three years. I'm the managing partner of C C G C P as we have offices in Fort Myers and Naples. We do tax accounting financial. Planning we specialize in a lot of small business owners. Trying to help everybody get through these crazy times. And so The the involvement that you have in this government trillion dollar plan is what people come to you for advice on what they need to correct. Yeah yeah everybody's coming to me for advice for various for various reasons one. It's very confusing to. It's changed a lot of the tax laws going forward and you know. Here's where usually that trusted adviser for those clients trying to see what opportunities out there is. Some of this is driven by changing tax code. Some of this is driven by loans. So the first step for somebody that owns a business. That's looking for some financial. Relief is what. Where do they go? So the first thing that you gotTa do is obviously talk. Probably talk to their account in a banker so all the all the SPA loans. There's there's three primary loans. The economic injury disaster loan. There's Patek paycheck protection program. And then there's Florida's economic disaster loan so the paycheck protection program is being handled through the banks. You're going to have to provide payroll documentation and apply for a loan online and this is the one most fiedler excited about. It's all about. Hey Can we get forgiveness? Were possibly eight weeks a payroll. That's the one that everybody is running to the bank and begging pleading get because they are concerned it may run out the economic injury disaster loan. It's more just general loan from the SBA. It's still has to be supported by loss revenue payroll other expenses in the first ten thousand can be forgiven as part of the grant. But everybody's there's a lot of confusion out there the other loan that's out. There is really an emergency disaster loan through the State of Florida which is fifty thousand dollars in. You have to prove that there's economic loss or stuff in this economy with everything going on. It's not that hard for most people. So the paycheck let. Let's talk about the employees. I I know there's been some issues with people even getting through the unemployment number is there. Is there a trick to that now? I haven't heard any trick. Try early and often. I've helped a couple of clients. Try to log in and it's just do. It ought hours of the morning. The there's well documented issues with the website. Just be patient and apply. That's I can tell everything I mean. Patients is there. We have to understand that literally. This law was passed a week ago. Friday and stuff. Normally some of the stuff takes months to get out in clarification. I mean we got the big caveat literally through this conversation there may have been more guidance delivered that I don't even know about changing as we speak Thursday at ten o'clock the SPA gave some additional guidance on the paycheck protection program. So be patient. The programs will be available work with your bankers to be expedited as quick as possible but understand. Most of the professionals are still learning. I have spent. I've spent most of the last two weeks talking to clients talking to the banks with my relationship with different banks and trying listen. I'm a business owner to I have eleven people working for me. This is important to me so not only for me but for my clients because they make daily allow me to have a paycheck. So Steve Somebody been has been trying to apply for an employment for two weeks and hasn't gotten through. Will they be paid like in arrears or they get us two weeks to ever get through asset? They should get retroactive back when it was done did. I say they're on. I mean retroactive. Isn't that backwards yards arrears. You have art me like so s contingent question for for people who typically for people who apply for unemployment. Who haven't done it before. What are some of the rules and regulations of WHO QUALIFIES? And who may not? Because I think there's some gray areas for people and well you have to have been employees. You have to be laid off. You have to go on the website you have to apply you know in the past yet had approved that you were looking for work that I don't believe it's going to be an issue in this economy. I believe this. I believe the governor's wave that. Don't I'm not sure Positively the biggest issue that I've heard is on with the most recent law. There is an additional. I believe it's six hundred dollars a week. That the government's GonNa subsidize the Federal Government's GonNa subsidize for the State's above normal. What the normal Florida unemployment rate is the states have had Notorious province of implementing that. It's just be patient. The money will be there. This is going to be like anything persistence. If you keep at it you'll get your money if you don't get frustrated you won't so Steve. If a business owner wants to take advantage of a paying their employees like you mentioned but you know a lot of the waitresses in is the right word for server. Sorry make like a Buck. Fifty an hour plus tips. So if they if those checks that they get from the government funded Grants or whatever it's called is less than unemployment. Why bother that's a fair question? That's actually I believe Senator Graham brought that up that's a big issue in this economy because specially for the service people unemployment may be palatable. And I've heard that from a number of restaurant owners their their concern on the back and as they won't be able to get their staff back so So you get all. You got all these websites. What if you'RE A advising businesses? What would you tell them? Go to this one I. It's coming quicker or this is more advantageous to you. Because it'll help you out because you're Clo- so simplistically for the paycheck protection program. You need contact. The bank you primarily do Business West. Find your banking relationship. Most of them as of last night most of the banks have created websites links to apply for if you have relationships with banks. I've talked to three or four banks that I have relationships within. They've been extremely helpful. My banker spectacular So I've worked with a couple of other banks talk to your professionals that are in You know it's just been chaos to say the least and be patient would echo that statement. Because we I was at the bank. The other day had to make an appointment. They only let me in To do some other banking thing but she was extremely busy she said with all the SBA loans and all of that stuff going on. And while I was sitting there the phone was just ringing off the hook. So you know she echoed that statement of. Please be patient. They they want to help everybody. But you know it's it's a big influx for them as well six point. Six million people applied for unemployment arose. Couple yeah so I just got a text. From one of my co workers. They were their wife was able to law again this morning. So pick the times I I would say if you're an early morning riser early in the morning. If you're late nighter doing late night. But there's it's going to be challenged and be patient apologized to the servers out there. They don't make a dollar fifty an hour. I was joking. She makes a dollar an hour doing this show but I know sorry Debbie so the the twelve hundred dollar checks when when are we getting ours so as of last night? I think the says Treasurer Treasury Secretary said he's hoping to have it out in two weeks so same thing so couple things you shouldn't have if you haven't filed your two thousand nine nineteen right return. Don't worry about it they're gonna go after the off. The two thousand eight for eighteen returned. Sorry if you never find a two thousand eighteen return you will have to file something with the IRS. In order to get the Stimulus Jack the IRS literally. I check their website this mortal. They're talking about setting up a portal to basically track refunds where they went if direct deposit issues things to that extent for those who some of the older population who just get social security aren't required to file the talk is they're gonNa go after off your social security statements in wherever that gets direct deposit but same fame literally passed a week ago. They are hoping to have checks out by mid April and now on that note they the filing for taxes now has been moved July fifteenth right so so it doesn't matter if you haven't filed this year for well two thousand nineteen you can still still get it. Yes so they will go after the off the two thousand eighteen return. If you haven't filed you have until July fifteenth from now and you have until July fifteen to make your payments for the prior year so you know the only issue this becomes as if you made less than nineteen and seventy five thousand dollars for individual and there's some phase out in one hundred fifty thousand four couples so you may want anybody watching these shows worrying about those numbers maybe but They are we. Don't we don't really know about it. There's a question for you right there. Steve that I think is a is a pretty good one. What about contractors so Nina what? You're independent contractors for unemployment. I'm not aware of anything right now. I know there's been talk about it. So what's your for independent contractors? Do they are they able to file for unemployment? They're GONNA get a twelve hundred dollar check. So they'll they'll still get the twelve hundred dollar checks on based on their income unemployment. I have not heard anything. I know. There's been talk This is where a lot of the guidances come. I believe. Congress tried to take some of the New Economy people into fate into place and the regulations have been all over on this. So I expect us to Continually be fluid in evolvement. Now when you say went well when he says twelve hundred dollar check is it based on is is it based on your income. How House okay. So it's not like everybody's getting the same amount no so if you made less than seventy five thousand as an individual. It's twelve hundred dollars. Plus Oh six hundred dollars per kid under sixty sixteen number saw so if you made less than seventy five thousand you'll get your Twelve hundred dollar check if kids minor kids you'll get additional if you made more than one hundred fifty dollars actually phase out period You know the so. There's different calculations go into effect. So did you say like a joint family husband and wife even if along well do they still Still get the the the two checks. Yes yes I believe. It will go into one account. Okay so so Kim. Twenty four hundred dollars. I wanted to ask you this mortgages. Are you recommending to the people that you do business with to call their mortgage company? Their Bank and say listen needed deferral of one month two months or try and rework the deal. Or what's the best plan for that right now because those are big bills so the answer is I would talk to your bankers. I have heard stories of different banks offering deals. But it's GONNA be on a case by case situation in this economy For banks but my experiences most people they don't want to foreclose they've suspended all foreclosures right so best to work with the bay. Your mortgage banker in being touch I've heard of landlords for business owners working with landlords to make sure that everything's abated or forgiven a reduced It's across the economy you know. I'm one of the blessed people that I could actually work from home. And we've been able to do social contact and different things you know and able to keep working and keep servicing my clients. A lot of people are so first across the board for individuals who may experience some difficult times coming up with waiting for unemployment to come in and and they've lost their income and they're kind of in this gap period. You know people I would think who have credit cards are GonNa you know. Start using them to cover the necessities of life Would you suggest you know them calling their credit card? Companies to negotiate a lower rate. Or you know what was going to be big bills to pay to a lot of the credit cards of of Been working with people. It's you just gotTa talk to your creditors. Some will be forgiving. Some not. It's just it's you gotta just work with them on the sorry. I keep interrupting him. I'm I'm sorry. Go ahead and then you forget your answer. Your question go ahead Steve Continue. Sorry no I mean. You've got to keep working with your creditors you know. We've got creditors all the way to the extent I can pay. I mean with something like a mortgage. It's a question of most having gone through this with the hurricanes and things typically will add the payments on the back end occur in the payments. Don't go away so the question of where were who do you want to pay in. What order what you have available a doing a favor. Tell your dad to stop starting fights in the chat. Box over trump. He just loves to get in there and riled things were trump. So now do you think How do you think the Florida government has handled the entire situation Steve? It's been challenging across the board. I mean I haven't you know I will say this. I you know not to speak of Florida per se but I will say the stimulus package the first one. I've seen that actually has opportunities for small business owners. Meaning I've yet to see any in my twenty some odd years experience. There's a lot of benefits in for small business owners that I've never seen before even if you're not able for some of the paycheck protection program in. You keep your people you will be eligible for payroll tax credits if when you follow your twenty twenty return. Which doesn't help today. But we'll help tomorrow Ma. If you ever retirement plans you can take distributions up to one hundred thousand not subject to the ten percent penalty and for the taxes for three years. So this is where you really need to be working with professionals on your individual circumstances to see what's right for you and hard to independent contractors and I remember this from a long time ago those folks really Wanna I mean they should be looking have already looked at being an LLC or some sort of protected structure rather than sole proprietor. In case bottom does fall out. Well I mean like everything you need. You need to work with professionals need to save. You know it goes back to the things are my grandparents taught me we gotta save. We gotta put money away for rainy days because I could have never predicted this one. But you know if it wasn't this it was going to be something else. I mean you just have to save twenty percents of your income. These are good portion. Put money away so that you can whether these tough times all right Steve. Hang on for one second. We're GONNA pop up our guest here and see from get your bolt on there at the same time. Good morning we are joined today by Duane. Ho Hover Ston our right from the S B DC Small Business Development Center at FDIC. Welcome Dwayne and thanks for coming on today here. So dwayne one of the first things that I saw that concerns you as you were doing. Some webinars for some folks right. I mean I got the email from From the Chamber of Commerce on the beach that you were doing some webinars what were those about. We have a series of different webinars that we put together things like how to survive this downturn or this when things are like this how did one on file what things to actually do in. Your Business During a time like this again these webinars were meant for the general public that they have some ideas of what issue it shouldn't do during these times. Their business and to let everybody know the services at the Small Business Development Center and you guys that spinning you guys have been there long time writing businesses and those are resources that are free to people. Is that correct correct? There is no charge for services in not only. Do we help people in times like this when there is You know a disaster. We're there all the time to help people whether it be marketing or their accounting or a business plan or Guinea cashing their business. Were there a again? There is no class route services Steve before we let you go any final any final thoughts Steve for businesses out there. Before we let you go site now I would just like I said we're work with your professionals. Make sure that everything. Is You know. Contact be patient. This money will get out. You know I can tell you I work with a lot of banks and you. Know SB the small business development centers. Great clients work with them. Be Patient The answers are coming. I can tell you I know a lot more today than I did a week ago and if I can be of any help to any feel free reach out to me all right and we have your we have your web sites will pop it up there and make sure everybody can see it as well. Thanks a lot. Steve and have a great weekend. Perfect came here guys. I'll talk to you. Steve Phillips folks. I am going to his website up on our facebook page so you can contact them. If you have any other questions about what he talked about in the first half hour right and I I wanted to say I saw startling. I would say Information on your website. It was up that forty percents of businesses are forced to close because of a disaster and never reopened. And that's not just this disaster but including other disasters so what sort of business. Continuation services are offered at the S. spa where you are okay. Again they're programs out there as you heard on the Internet. Tv as alleged the SBA is putting out there For helping businesses through this There is a E. D. L. Alot program the faster loan program where a can apply and they really still by the application. The last reported in takes ten or fifteen minutes. Who Out Now? It used to take ours yet. Get all kinds of data together. Now you can actually do about fifteen minutes of. Its really simple on for that plan. Neces- disaster plan that's been used for the red tide in hurricanes and so on but again very very streamlined. Right now then there's the payroll protection land that has just come out and supposedly you could start applying yesterday. There's many banks that still aren't ready. They have got their Stuff together the. Spa just came out with the night before. But Anna frustrating in that It's not ready to early rollout but also banks have promised by Monday. They will able to the allegations. This is a really super program in that the business can borrow up to two and a half months their average monthly salary and a will totally be forget so it can really keep employees employees. I don't care cleaning the the rooms and painting or whatever each keep em on pay them and have that money only for Devon so huge huge deal do i. Do you recommend that they get the businesses go for that I know there's trouble for people We were talking about this earlier getting unemployment because they can't get through the website. Is it best for the employer to go for that ten thousand dollars and not worry about and just pay them? Is that what you're recommending can't have both right or can you have both? Yes first of all that he ideal program a if you apply supposedly within three days that you can check the box and you L. dollars right away ask just are and then they actually do the low bar now. We haven't seen any money yet in three days but I'm expecting five to ten. They will actually see that ten thousand dollars if a check box on their application then the government or the. Sba has some type of formula where they're looking at these sales from previous year and they're off the goods and they're going to figure out some formula that they can borrow a dollars several million dollars on this long and the interest rate three point seven percent or Businesses borrow that money. They'll take a month to six weeks to get that one the deep the other thing. That's happening out there that maybe a lot of people go no is if you have an. Sba Low now. Maybe you have a loan on your building through. Spa or a disaster loan from one of the past disasters. Spa Is aimed your payments. Tell I believe it's the end of the year? So you know any of those people that have been through light red tide and urban so on and have a loan for that their payments for the next number of are only being paid by the SBA. So it's really really other businesses especially in our area down here where Our share of disasters. Wow so business. To recap businesses can apply for both of those programs. One is alone and one is the possibility that it would be forgiven. So it's too okay. There's one more also you know. The Florida has a bridge loan for these businesses. Also that's out there where they can get up to fifty thousand dollars that has been available a seal that anybody that has not applied yet they may run out of money before they get through all our applications so if you have applied you know you might try apply now. But I wouldn't have a lot of hope that there's going to be enough money unless the Florida legislature gives us a bunch more money so again. It's all over again. I don't know that. Now you're you guys off are also assistance. If people have trouble I know you said the form is is now easier but if there people need assistance applying. That's one of the services that's provided there. Yes I get a number of calls now all along. Those people come do a question. What is cost to goods or form and Yeah we're here. All of our consultants are up on this now so we have been beating so that we all have the same answers for the questions that are coming up but yet they get to us now. It has been a little about every three days. The forms of Jane you know. It's tough for us to keep up a direct line to the SBA on on that stuff. They just let us know dwayne with With a lot of business not having any revenue come in any sales because they're closed and now they have to borrow money and some is going to be Forgiven and other you know other loans are GONNA have to pay back and who knows what the interest rate is? Maybe it's out there and I don't know what were you. The most about businesses being able to actually survive and come back and business and and not be burdened by all these extra bills which was no fault their own again. There are a number of businesses that that won't make but from my experience here in the past number of disasters down here I had seen forty percent of these businesses now and again. Our small businesses are resilient. You know we build the recession that we had back into the elevate where the economy dive. We lost a lot of businesses back then but again because that was a long period of time but the length of time here is critic Going again you know by the end of May I think many of these businesses will be able to come back with this relief that we're giving but will period of time is going to be critic of the long stretches out more businesses your nose and how what's the best way to get in contact with you guys and maybe if people. WanNa sign up and get a get a coach. How would they go about doing that? They just if they just go. Ooh Southwest Florida S. E. C. They will go to our website. We are a hosted at Florida Gulf Coast University which has been a great ardor for us. They just Google ads southwest Florida. Spdc they would go right where website and right on the top of it it says requests a counselor and you just click on that and you will fill out a very short form and a counselor will be assigned to you and you'll hear from them probably within twenty four hours before we let Dwayne Gulf anyone. That's got any questions just typing in the chat box. We can read it I have to squint. But she can see without squinting chat box and we'll make sure that we post All the information that we have we know when the webinars are if you WanNa if you WANNA watch those and we'll get everything on the facebook page and put it out there. Did you have another question? Well I just wanted to just briefly. Tell us about some of the other services that that are offered I wanted to hit on that employees these businesses that are in the situation that many times just saying now the one of us again. It's going to be like this to Redo but sitting down one of us many Thais we ought not. This is a good survive. This and what their best situation is as close down for a couple of weeks or What might they do we give them? I is that maybe they will get on their own so I would highly recommend some those businesses. Do just trying to act US and see weekly health. Would I used to survive again? Other things we can help with their marketing. Specialist Marketing. And are a deal. We have a specialist in it. We have a specialist in government contracting. So we have a bunch of things above and beyond this disaster. So dwayne the at the small business community is really. What makes the whole country home? I mean Do you worry. Do you worry that there's not going to be enough money for everyone is at first-come-first-serve or is there? Ba- guaranteed money. If you had a business and this affected your business you're GONNA you're GonNa get something on worried that there will be enough money unless they probably allocate more money I there is a good possibility that will run up money. What the got assigned now so I would absolutely tell people at on there and you know get to Your Bay that. Pp Program Federal Protection Program has to be through your banks yet. Fear and find out if your bank is doing it unfortunately at one client who is doing it and because he'd never credit card law nearly said he wouldn't qualify their bank. Oh don't get discouraged. That is an SPA thing. That is a bank thing so again contact us. We can tell you how to get around some of this style. Run into there are GonNa be you know situations you run into with particular banks that we need to do. A digits are and these. The coaches are all certified and credential. Then I didn't think certified credential tell us about some of the experienced that these are has your most of our business. Our consultants have own. Businesses are businesses ourselves or other qualifications We HAVE ONE. Who's a former? Cpa myself. I am old and an old probably a dozen businesses. I have small business management. That do your Alex Bird years. I have been doing this. Spdc were are dying for twenty five years in Minnesota gear. Let's example of the backgrounds. That are all of them are very experienced in different areas of working with small business. And again you have some experts link government contracting the best their excellent. So after I ask you this question John. Lawler will only have nine hundred ninety nine more questions. His question is loans are not collateral or personally guaranteed. What is the penalty if a business fails regardless? I don't know I don't see that there's going to be much of a problem. There is no. I believe the numbers up to two hundred thousand five other is no guarantee or or collateral needed Ansi that Espn is renewed. Do anything because again a job anyway. So I can't imagine that's why opinion I can't imagine them. You know being very difficult you were. A business is under on a personal note. I've not personal not GonNa ask you a personal question. I mean that but are you talking to people about their mortgages or you're trying to say to them. Hey call your mortgage company and try and get that deferred. I mean. It's it's every penny right. Now we're GONNA TALK TO THEIR LANDLORDS. Talk to everybody you aligned to rob. It is important to reach out to those people and talkable again works somebody. If they don't talk you civil. It's really important that if you know you're going to have a problem with some of these Amos people and you're gonNA find all are really really blatant. You're business owner. Owns Latch property? And he's GonNa be flying through but I don't care if these people don't any right now you know understand and work them anyway. I can so everybody gets through this. I just thought his attitude was tremendous as a landlord. So I'm sure your office is is bonkers while you're not interoffice your new. Nobody's in an office. Right are working from our own and do we beating on owners Zoom Zoom Big Jewel? Right now everybody yeah. They're even having drinking parties on zoom. Now because people can't hang out of happy hour I know is a as as good again you know. I'm really competent. Most of our small businesses. That this doesn't last too long boasted. That will come back there. They've been super resilient exit in through your ass you know. I have a lot of complicated baseball. Disorder is owners are very entrepreneurial and find a way. So how do you want people to get in touch with you? Like what's the best way to you know? Get through the maze of wanting to talk to a coach or talk to you or something really amazed alive you our website and southwest Florida. Spdc and you'll get a website and right on top was replaced. The counselor again. Would you like My email or whatever you wanna give highly I have the email for SPDC at FCC you dot Edu and also We have the phone number two three nine seven four five thirty seven hundred which we can. We can post out with air up. Thefts the correct way to go Yes that would be excellent. That will get people do it but again I'm back to us. We can be of great assistance to many of these people. Nothing else someone they could talk to you now just to get through this. So do you think you'll be wearing a mask when you leave the house now? I haven't decided I have had cancer recently at the stem cell transplant. So I'm some Rodney your but I've been trying to get back you a soda. And now they've locked in Florida and all states in between so I'm going to be sheltering in place here in Florida longer than I thought. I begin shelter against right. This is a nice place to shelter. I was able to hijack an hour yesterday. I can't do that. Minnesota where are you? Are you see people adhering to the six foot rule? You see people congregating Dc people following the rules. To to try and clamp this down yes and no we stay situations where you will have people getting together more than they should crazy shares. We and you see some of these. We just noticed a neighbor of blocks now for most of that was kind of a party going on there yesterday afternoon and the community that I don't know any results but we did have one person tested this past week so again we know close. I would be also careful I. It just can't tell people you need to stay away from other people. Yeah you know I was. I worked during the day Covering the Radio Industry and somebody at W. O. R. in New York City went to cover the corona virus stuff in new Rochelle which is like one of the biggest hotspot work and then a week later. She had a birthday party for her mom. Who WAS SEVENTY FIVE YEARS? Old and twenty five people from the community came and of course they're all seventy five years old and older and her mom got her dad. Got into the next door neighbor died it was just you know. I get it that it was that time early in March where. You didn't know that that was going to happen. You just thought. Hey I'm just GonNa go do my job and then all of a sudden two weeks later. It's it's a major problem so I mean it's not like it's a fake thing like you shouldn't be having now no he'd be very very careful with you know getting people Just a period. We've got Ilker an about saying away. You know we would love to beat with our clients want but there's just no way we can do so much for your time. We really appreciate it. We'll get all information out there and thanks for helping people like that. We can help anybody let us know. Thanks a lot thank you. Okay Dwayne Why don't you over? I mean remind everybody worries from and put that information up there and we'll wait for Eddie depan. He's never on time so he has some stuff you wanted to talk about before we do that. I do want to say To address some of the comments that the comments in the comments yes not the comments. That are me right. Now that the information that was provided by by Dwayne and the SPDC is in addition to you as a business owner talking. Obviously to your attorney to your accountant and or CPA and your banker. It's it's one other thing to add if you want to your arsenal to gain more information to move forward but it is not In place of the other things that responsible business owner would do so. We're just trying to offer information. Did you read something? I didn't read. I might have okay from your dad again now. Did your dad cut out the fighting with the trump fans he might have so the information for that and as SP DC at FCC YOU DOT EDU or two three nine seven four five thirty seven hundred and like I said before we met with them. I've met with them a couple of times on some some different things and it's a great. It's a great starting place for someone who decides to do a new business and you know that's something that's GonNa come out of this too. I mean I imagine it'll be too many people launching a new business not right away but maybe it's a perfect it'd be it is what I think. Some of the businesses like ship to end zoom. I mean all of those are now or was reading. This morning that Public's is hiring in the thousands and Walmart's thousands and Amazon's hiring in the thousands. I guess the downside to that is if you take one of those jobs there you are in a big group of people again but I think going forward. This may change. How people do things for a very long time so business. You know. Businesses like a delivery grocery delivery service may become a lot more popular because they've had exposure during this time and folksy how how useful it is and an economically if there's more businesses doing it it's going to get cheaper more affordable for people to do and I mean I. It's not something I ever used before. But it certainly would be great to do now and it saves time and you're not GONNA get cranky store on a regular basis. Let alone right now. It's obviously for safety reasons and We are using ships. We signed up for it. Thanks to what the mayor told us and I think we should go to Publix. I think you do have to look. I was looking on my nextdoor APP and there was a lot of talk back and forth about the fees and and stuff that go on with with the different ones and so you have to look it at the ones that are offered and pick the one that works best. A lot of people like the Walmart one where you just drive up and they they put it in your car and that's pretty reasonable. You know you know you're right now you've got to get out into traffic. You gotta get out into the crowd. It is quite a bit of savings and I would say for the savings on one end of the convenience. Well you know there's going to go on the one of the things to say to is. Please remember to tip those people. People were making a comment about that. That so your your dad's in there. I wish her dead would pop on here so that we could discuss he's NPR guy. So obviously he's getting all the correct information 'cause he's watching NPR. But I was listening to a doctor who said the reason for the face masks. I'm getting off the public saying but the reason for the face masks was because then you don't touch your face and one of the biggest ways that you're giving yourself is a virus not giving yourself with humidity on your hands. Somehow somebody sneezed on you. And now it's now it's you putting it on your face so I we're GONNA pop rene up here and say hello to Rene Rene. Can you hear us? I can hear you okay. Yes we hear you perfectly fine. You don't have. Can you hear Rene tell us about the Yoga Project? Let's do a little a little different here. What's going on with the Yoga Project? I love your shirt by the way. Thank you very much. Thank you very much Yeah so first of all. Thank you guys so much for this and all the other podcast that you guys have been doing It's I think it's really helpful. I know that we have been tied in with our bankers because we own small businesses but we found out a degree information today. So thank you guys for all that you're doing for us here on the beach. I appreciate it so from what? The project Uber Project is doing is for anybody. That doesn't know the Fort Myers Beach. Yogurt project has been around for about eighteen months. It was a response to my own personal desire from wanting more yoga here on the beach and it was sort of one of those things where it was put up or shut up kind of thing so eighteen months ago. We launched the Buyer Speech Yogurt project and we were running face to face classes. I had always planned to go online. So it hits done a fair amount of research and had done everything that was mentioned before socked away some fun so we were a march thirteenth. We went online with argue. The classes and so our classes are now being live streamed as well as recorded and posted up there Right now all of our content is free and part of the reason for that is about a third of the people who regularly take my classes year round. Are The businesses owners here on the beach? That currently don't have income and so I'm not gonNA charge my community at the same time. I you know this is our service to our community Because we're online. Here's some of the other things that we're able to do that. We're super super excited about. We have a partnership with Bay Oaks. We teach classes at bay oaks and starting on Wednesday Bao's is going to be hosting a Zoom Interactive Lecture Series. So Wednesdays at noon. We're GONNA start that we're going to start at this week. The first one is GONNA be talking about how to stay healthy saying an active during this time when we're all sort of stuck at home so we have that going on as well I personally do some consulting and do some webinars and in the wellness space for people. The wellness space for people sort of across the country traveled to them and do wellness. Retreats were doing virtual wellness retreats. Now so any of our business owners here on the beach that want to get their employees together and talk about wellness and and see people and see the people that we consider our work families I will set that up for you and run out for you for free as well. So we're doing that. The other thing that I'm super excited about. Is that as soon as this all ends? I'm inviting you to come join me at the mango street in the Andres and I together. We're doing a food wine and Yoga and meditation retreat for anybody. That's here locally. There'll be more information coming out about that shortly. So those are the things that we've got going on my personal mission. A personal mission is for everybody to get active and stay active in a healthy way. So if anybody needs any help they can reach out to me through the Yogurt Project and. I'm happy to help them. Create Home Exercise Program figure out how to meditate. Help them try yoga etc awesome. Well thank you so much for that I know of that is that is a lot of stuff and we could all use more stretching and meditating during this time. Let's be honest meditating. His people for the people are like why can't meditate and I'm like well I couldn't run life. I started either rate. It's practice that you have to come back to and what people are noticing is the mindfulness that comes with. The Yoga and meditation is being recommended by a lot of the top health professionals During this time because we all have significant stress and anxiety about the situation that. We've all found ourselves. Horton for us to come together and support each other. Figure out how to do that. And if you're looking for resources I've been posting them on. The Fort Myers Beach. Yogurt Project Web page facebook instagram page. As well as other trainers that are doing some really amazing stuff. We're really excited. We're going to be learning. I've got a new instructor. That's working with me Dan. Dan Live really close to the island. And he's GonNa do some chair. Yoga for us so that's going to be coming online really quickly. We're doing some meditation stuff. I have a colleague actually a friend from high school who teaches meditation and he does a three times a week. Regular Meditation Group Meditation on Facebook. Live post and I've been posting that up and those are really great if you're newer to meditation because he teaches this he's really good at it now. The marriage sugar project is doing some paid content as well. We have a thirty day. If you're like okay. I'm going to do this. I want to commit to this We have a thirty day. Course that we're launching on Monday. The people can join. And just so you know. If you're like I really want do that but finances are really tight. I am bartering currently with Rebecca Sarasota who is in NITA'S SISTER. Who's dog trainer? I'm bartering yoga classes for dog training tips. So there's a way to get this don at no cost to you. If that's something that you want to explore just reach out to me we'll figure out a way to make it work. Yes and congratulations on your new puppy soup or kill or is supposed to be lifted up. Let's see it is currently eating one of my yoga blocks. Where did the puppy comes from? The puppy was a rehoming. She was in a house with a dachshund and the DACHSHUND was beating her up and not letting her eat all right. Well that's nice a rescue awesome. Yeah we have always had rescue putz or rescue. Ups Are Mutts or however you want to look at it is mostly Many Australian Shepherd So we've been heard it a lot lately. Well you know what we did. We went out and got a tiger. That was what we darn to Really of our stress. We went out and after watching the Netflix flicks Show last weekend all eight episodes. We just went out and rescued at Tiger and Elijah. Yes lager well so where? Where can people go to see all your stuff so if you go to? Www DOT FM be yogurt project DOT COM and Click on line classes. It will take you to our streaming site which you just have to Registered created for your account to register. And you can access everything from right there. Hang on a second. I'll show you. This is helpful. Can you see that? Yeah Nice Nice. Awesome that and they can also reach out to me either through facebook our facebook group for instagram. All you look up at them be yoga project. That's where we're at cool. We'll get all that stuff on our page to and make sure everybody can find you and thanks and have a great weekend. Say hello to the family. I well thank you. Thank you great night by Night Day. I tell all night and all day. It's all the same to me. So Yeah Ladies and gentlemen our final gets of the day is he's about to take that ban and rob a bank with it. It's what I understand. Is that what you're going to do? Any was founded this my PCP DALLAS. Dallas is one of the hot spots now. Not Illuminate suburb. Right outside. This House and You know and so Recommended now that everybody you know cover their face for other people's protection as well as your own now when you go outside outside you find other people in your neighborhood are also wearing a one of those things. Well you know I. I do see a few. A lot of people are using scars and And so so I'm from. I'm from the country primarily. I didn't grow up in a city boy and And so I do have a couple of scars but I've got several band And but what? I do see I still see lots and lots of people that are wearing these worrying these surgical masks and I just cannot understand. I don't know why they don't get the message that you know with. All the health providers everywhere in the country doesn't matter who you've listened to or who who were you get the information from there aren't any there aren't enough to go around. They're running. That realize wants the half. The public nation quit using have them if they have on open boxes. Just drop them off at your local hospital world rank so anyway. That's not why we're here to talk about masking Bandanas. And that's lovely purple shirt on there but the reason we have you honest because you are a resident of some kind of banging noises coming from your phone there so you're building something out there. You are resident of the beach. You had an idea that you wanted to share with our nine people that watch so go right ahead and tell us all about it and hopefully other people watch later on after the show at council person on a couple of weeks ago and I'm and he made a suggestion and I kinda wanted to follow up on that and I just briefly just purchased a second. I don't want to take a bunch of time. But there's there's there's a phenomenon at the beach so I'm not exactly sure that that the part time residences have have thought have thought about it and thought it through The the in the retail industry Like as your malls and a lot of your retail centers and And I'm not referring to your everyday suppliers like Walmart and Krogers and that sort of thing but I'm referring specialty retailers. They rely on their season. Which is the showy season. The retail season between Thanksgiving and Christmas these retailers especially retailers. If if they miss that selling season and they didn't have any sales they will go completely how they rely on that window of retail sales of their season to provide them with the money to make a profit to cover their overhead for the entire. Twelve months These businesses at the beach It's very similar They have season. You got season. I think from January to April this year. They had a couple of months in this old and they don't have any way to recover. They're not gonNA have any way to recover Here in in in other areas where the beach is unique that I would like people to consider also very unique and I'm sure that there are other places. I'm not saying that they're the only one but everywhere else in the country when this is over sixty to ninety days and when I say over it's not ever GonNa be over but as it be begins to become being over. Businesses are going to go back to doing business and they're going to go back to Achieving some top of normality with their with their with their with their income receipts and And their businesses will begin to recover That's not going to happen In the retail the restaurant industry here. I include them The restaurants here probably for the first couple of months will be flooded. I can't wait to get the my favorite restaurant But anyway The beach is going to be unique in the respect that the population's gone so the majority of the population has gone These restaurants in the in the in the retail stores are the Beach. They literally have to sit there and wait till next season you know and And then how? How nervous is going to be next season? Or they're going to be people who say well you know what I think will skip a year. We'll wait and make sure we don't have another pandemic unit. How how fearful. Everyone is all the time about everything. And how how? Innards reminder affected by that I and I also want to reach out to a lot of the other. People aren't at Fort Myers Beach. The people that I'm talking to understand most of those people have been suggest as I do. I have a business and I have already begun to feel the effects of the economics. The shutdown and I expect that it will get worse and that I will have to maneuver my way through Trying to figure out how to get it all working again but as I said. I'm looking forward to the next couple of months because I do believe that that we will begin to work out of this and began to be a business going again. These speakers the beach on the other hand. I don't think they're going to have that opportunity. And when it was mentioned something was mentioned said. Picky out of business. Picky out a favorite place that you go to the cinema check for one hundred bucks. You know Hours Rain Murphy. Murphy said that on the show two weeks ago Yep okay and then and then anyway I I would like to just take a little bit further and I understand that a lot of people are going to be hard for a lot of people also with their bench but if they could just do what they could. But rather than. Send a few people of few checks. I don't know how well that would work because I don't know how anyone knows who got any or he didn't get any. I would suggest that the residents the part time residents if they WANNA help that they picked the business and send the same business a check when they camp or what or whatever that can so. You're talking about the people like yourself for now. Outta town off the beach it. They're part fulltime homes. Pick in a love on Fort Myers beach and cutting the business owner of the business in the name of the business. A check for whatever amount they can afford Zach helm reading. Yeah that's that's that's exactly right but but maybe not just one check you know is learning to be tough on us to it's going to be it's. I'M GONNA have my I'm GONNA have my my own sets of of Problem. Also but but but that that doesn't keep me shouldn't keep other people from trying help someone this outside of of of of their own of their own personal a problem. You know if we all did that no one was helping anyone and we all have problems we all. We have problems all the time. You know we problems right now because of the fan but There are people that are going to be suffering and have a lot more problems than the problems that I will have to maneuver my way through and I really feel like that. The businesses there at the beach and Arca said I'm not saying that their unique than the only ones. I'm sure there are. Some of the places are somewhere but the situation there at the beach the They don't they're not going to have an opportunity to recover from this. I don't think I hope I'm wrong but I don't think they're going to have much of an opportunity to recover from this bill until the following season could idea good idea simply be the lack of population They've lost enormous amount of their popular. How do we? How do we get your idea moving but we do? You know what? I'm not sure I you know that's why I wanted to share it with you. I was hoping that the The all equal people's would would hear hear what I had to say and and and and you know figure that I'm not sure exactly. I don't know that I saw that part. I'm not a real big marketing. Get did you pick a business l? Send a check already. I have not have not an and and I'm I'm GonNa tell you why and I was gonNA. I was gonNA feel would probably randomly choose. Choose a business. I've been in the I was in the restaurant business for fourteen years before I sold my restaurant and so I'm kind of partial to the restaurant. The restaurant business. Although it wasn't my the restaurant business was not my main business. It was kind of a Actually if you'll know the truth of the matter bought it on the spur of the moment and it was kind of a hobby and I had a lot of fun. I loved it I loved. I loved I had a lot of fun but anyway I'm Kinda I've got a soft spot for for restaurant owners small restaurant owners and and I plan on picking some planning on victims small restaurant owner and little monty and more traffic continue. Send them a little bit of money along the way and it won't be a lot of money but you know if they're lucky and someone else picks them maybe someone up a little money and then send them a little more money along the way arena. there there. Are there think about it? There are not that many restaurants not that many small retail stores on the island into into the number of people that come there and enjoy. Y'All things that the that the Fort Myers beach has has the offer For them to get away and to go on vacation and to have time away from Their responsibilities while they're there vacationing and They're gonNA be greatly surprised Next season when they come if they come and a lot of the places that they've enjoyed aren't there. Well thank you so much. I think that that's a great idea. And we'll keep the word we'll keep spreading the word and or of sending my check. Yeah thanks for joining us today. Give me a couple of ideas. Edward were you were you. I don't really have a one specific Place that odds mid any wonder made friends with anyone as far as the white staffer as far as the beach talk. Radio was where I'm sending my check. Stop I'm kidding. Now I I just might go offline there and anybody else but I'll send you my ideas works for you and and you know and then someone may be someone's listening. That will be listening later. That that is more a little more Experienced IN THE MARKETING. In of some rolling. Yeah trying to promote something. The that could help get the idea to to a lot of the the part time property or not. Property Entre fulltime Part Time Work. Thank you much and Here agree one take care always a character. Eddie yes they have them on our. I think he makes a good point about the part time. Residents in the people who vacation who have been coming to Fort Myers beach. We've met lots of them have come year after year after year if they have some extra money and are so inclined to either send money directly to the restaurants or the retail retail stores or their favourite business or by gift cards. You know I mean. Of Course Johnson. They gift cards are afraid of them and then use them later and he saw him a hundred twenty five dollar gift cards for one hundred dollars. That's a pretty good deal. I mean I think that's great and I'll get get gives gives them out in concert other people to come down and that's an easy way for people at town to To help because they can do right online. They can just Pop their credit card in there. But don't forget about the T. Shirts T. shirts without being Jeans folks out there. They've raised a ton of money for the on the beach. I know it's great there and so don't forget the t shirts and I also wanted to before we go. Thank the mayor again for everything that she's done for us over the last few weeks when this whole crap hit the fan and coming on choose even last night if you had a chance to watch the show last night if not you know. It's in the in the video archives you can watch the mayor address While they had a another emergency meeting on Friday and talk about Governor Defenses Or he or he issued two orders one on TV and then one when nobody was looking to try and clarify the first one. So I don't know I think he came on so strong with the state and everybody was raw ryan him and then it just seemed like he dug his heels in like he didn't WanNa close the state. I'm sure there are reasons. All seemed like role economic reasons. Which again everybody. Nobody wants to shut down businesses and the economy but every day that the state state open it seemed like the disease was getting worse and more people were getting it more. People were dying and so I wonder if he'll look back on this few years from now saying I should have done well hind. Everybody will always twenty twenty. I think most everybody is doing the best they can and making the best decision they can with the information they have at the moment and the information changes moment to moment so please be kind. Be Kind on facebook. Be Kind when you're out at Publix be patient when you're trying to get your loans and on unemployment anymore away. I went to Walmart like last week. And they and then but they didn't even wipe down. I thought they were supposed to be wiping down the carts and stuff. But you know you're always welcome to bring your own stuff if you can find that. We currently really need a paper towels. So that's what I'm on a quest for where you're going to go why we're just order from shift. I don't know we'll see how long it takes again. WanNa spend the extra two dollars ten dollars a month all right everybody. We've been on long enough. We've been on way too many times and we WANNA say thank you to everybody and stay away from me. Stay away from my family last. Stay away from everybody dammit. Just stay away stay home stay away and And drink until you're out of alcohol if that makes you happy so do some yoga. Yeah do some Yoga. Kylie Morgan did a yoga online teach- yet like three hundred people that were following. Not Drink though and do you. Have you done that because now drink and do yoga? Also that left to see if they will. You put those two together and I didn't. I wanted to make sure all right the by everybody. Thank you all for listening and watching and have a nice day.

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S6 E4 | Start-Up: Striking Out on Ones Own

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S6 E4 | Start-Up: Striking Out on Ones Own

"You're listening to the podcast visit. WWW DOT past detroit dot com for information. I'm Calvin and you're listening to leading questions with Calvin more. This shows experiment incivility gathering people who disagree to sit down face to face and having them discuss their disagreements. Do we ever arrive at consensus. Sometimes what's most important is we've got the conversation started well. Well welcome to leading questions without more out Kelvin Moore. Who's somewhere on the east coast right now? I am one of two regular co host. Kent Straight and I'm here here with the other one. Steve Phillips how are you. I'm good can't how're you doing today. great where is Kelvin Kelvin. He's in Virginia right or is he on his way back now tape on his way back. He's probably GonNa work in the morning. He probably well he is. He backed by now he. Where's he at this? Isn't that a long long trip that but he just started a new job. Does he get taken the week off. Maybe maybe that's a long. That's I don't do them the second week. I don't know we'll get into that a little bit more. We're I'd say it's a Sunday night in what's the day I guess it's now officially the later part of October getting darker earlier earlier for about two weeks from getting dark at five thirty kinsman to drink himself into a stupor depressed really down right now anyway. So so This week we are here to talk about entrepreneurship and we have a gigantic panel of one. But we're only GONNA go one of them them at a time and he goes over. We'll have to postpone everyone else until the next time may be a part of the show maybe part of the show start with start with one one gas and then we'll move on after that when he's completely done talking so I will. I'll come clean because of the way I printed this out by the way did not pass out the questions. Do you have the question if you've got them now. Why have you know what you? Oh by the way this is now the most professionally ever been. You printed off copies questions. I even handed them out. Relatively short order close to the beginning of the show. I mean that's the kids. I felt a responsibility because usually don't even read the questions. I printed them off. I don't read the questions first and then I read them on my phone. which because of the settings and frequently goes dark and I get? It's time to read a question fired up and enter my password. You're anyway so that being said is this is this. This is A. Plus work off the I printed off the questions but I and I know the first name of our guests. I know nothing else about him. So I'm GonNa let let's get into that produce himself. Jay is a is an entrepreneur. Here we're here to talk about. Start up culture. Entrepreneurship and Jay is a startup entrepreneur. which is good? Because that's the subject right if it was something different and Jay I'm GonNa let you introduce yourself. Sure let's see. Who is Jay? My name is Jay Raeford for good born on. Yeah Ed born and raised in charter expanded charter left for about four and a half years or so. Where'd you go and So I lived in West Palm Beach. Florida upstate New York Albany home home of by the way right in Philadelphia that way so It came back here in two thousand ten. It was it. Was it East Philadelphia West Phili- so North Villier North Norfolk the exodus from West Philadelphia to the the Suburban Los Angeles California issues. Or something I don't know anyway so I guess let's let's so what what's the short version because we're going to get into this whole show is going to be the long version of your story. What's the short version of your story? What do you what do you do? Y You hear some some here because Decide to strike it out on my own a left my career as a electrical designer and Came back home. Say coming just Boston law but to make this happen And that looks differently. Depending on what time period was but I'm the most Thing that really kind of like grew was a Sushi business. Awesome door His Car Social Sushi and They're just came out of a desire to connect people using food and kind of grew from there. So okay now my i. I'm at a disadvantage. A double disadvantage because You are as far as I can tell a black man who eats Sushi. I hate eight. Oh I'm sorry I hate Sushi and I'm super white so somebody told me they. They had a startup sushi business. I would assume they were Japanese Sushi. So he's it so ubiquitous. Now that I'm just everybody eats Sushi so take me. Let me let me as was the reason you don't because I have a mental block. I was told decades ago that featured raw fish and everybody I I tell well it's raw fish. They say oh no you get rough Just record Kent doesn't eat strawberries or chilly so really the Palette Alad of three year old so I mean just to be fair. Just put that out there to the water so I was told that featured raw fish. I'm not a big fan of cooked fish. And so that put me off Sushi essentially forever. So is there kind that you would you. Did you say you specialize in So for the things that we were we're doing Both the pop ups and catering stuff we never actually had anything raw so we knocked that out right away. You know what I'm saying so a lot of people like you it. You didn't like prior fish either or cook for either but Shrimp to poor is easy. One to sell people on like eat cooked. Shrimp absolutely but also You know of course vegetable rose the The kind of crap stakes row you know that and We did some unique flares where we add you know different things To give a kind of a different spin so we used Some detroit-based products. So we for crunch we use like a better may hatchets implanting chips in there for Like a unique kind of ill sauce. We weren't of our ships created rated this a rock and riot ills off so we reduce the Rock and roll ask you. Are there Sushi purists. Who Don't like do do what you're doing are like adding adding potato chips? Adding Fago are doing you know kind of making it kind of Detroit. Ish You know Michigan which is there is there any blowback you get from traditionalist. So I haven't really had A strong blowback From it I think for the most part Folks going went in before they tried to. Just say hey. I'm a Sushi connoisseur. I lived in California like like California's like the official. You got the official Sushi and everything else. They they had a pin right. You mentioned you were a I don't know for how long electrical designer right right. I was doing for close to ten years in in twenty seconds. What's an electrical design? An electrical engineer. So it depends on what industry you're in So I was actually working in Electric Utilities So I started off doing what they call it. The distribution so how power gets to house or a commercial Marshall Building and then elevated from there to substation design. which is if you ever see gated off areas? Our current challenges me to climb over right so Yeah so I was doing that. Very Boring for ten years Yeah I mean the evolution from you know the design and enduring distribution with dte here to Move into Florida and focusing on I I guess the next level so I think you touched a little bit so you did that for a little while. What made you want to become an entrepreneur So our Sushi uh-huh So it was a young age I wanted. I was I noticed that they didn't know entrepreneurs. I have people that I looked up to. You know the media on at the time it was guy named Don Barton in Detroit that Rent a cable company uh-huh. Yeah Yeah just super inspired by her story and you know You know the ability that somebody just kinda started something from nothing But again it was around United have people around me that you know had that experience and so it was always a treating but it didn't have a direct line to actually getting started and what that meant and so I've had multiple ideas over the years but never actually like fully diving into them until this moment In my life where I was just like I want to move back home and be a part of what's happening there again. This is Detroit. Pre Two thousand ten or they call it pre Gilbert Yeah and What really what it was was My family friends and just say hey like a lot of people are have conversations about Detroit that we aren't having I Mike. We need to figure out how we get ready for this opportunity this coming and they were just like. Don't move back. There's nothing happening here. Don't do it you know like say. How long ago was this Transition when did you go. Full time So in two thousand ten. So we'll move right move back And little had moved to my mom's basement You know and I had turned in my car. I was biking all over the city or or using public transportation and Yeah just get out there and figure it out and of course I have some Like tap into Like consider myself retired so this is my 401k in the last You know so I I was able to like just four times. Just get up every day and just kind of focus on what I wanted to do. So what what did you do for like I mean did you go without health insurance. Go that I mean you just kind of like no net. Yeah Yeah Literally Yeah I didn't have insurance and stuff like that. I mean I was a young. You know young guy visible feel like we don't lenient like I'll be all right. Fine wrap it up So Yeah Yeah just kind of came back and just dove right in And it took me through through a couple of different ideas before I got to the Sushi aspect though okay so then so that so it came. The first thing that happened was I want to do something for myself. And then the idea about Sushi came along So actually so why live out of state. I had an idea that I was working on. At the time. It was city and The whole goal of it was for to to give people a platform to tell others about the good. And you know what's happening in their city even if it's challenging thing is being able to tell it from native perspective Or people who actually actually live there because you know at the time of course Detroit kind of had this thing where everybody was talking about it but like you know like let's give the viewpoint of somebody to actually lives they're dealing with it or You know like hey we live as people who actually live here like he's not a ghost town We still get seven hundred thousand people that live here And so you know this born out of that was Ability trying to create a platform for anybody whether it was to represent Like I said tourism and based off or artistry or Entrepreneurship just a platform for people to be able to tell their story would a city kind of focused you mentioned and you mentioned your 401k using that as startup capital y. If you had it to do over again would you try and get a venture capital or or would you. Would you suggest to somebody that they they strike out on their own So so I didn't have Everything together when I did it so it wasn't like a cash. My 401k with specific plan. I did it just be surviving just like you know. figure out something something so right right. It's a little differently Because I mean they're definitely some folks that have a story of like you know I use my four one K.. Specifically to for start up capital and for me it was just just so I can be able to you know at the time but I did have an idea and a plan of things I wanted to do But Yeah I didn't have a direct like a product Ari lined up or anything like that so I was literally going through the process of working with the A coder To help he developed the website and things like that. I mean that was a nightmare dealing with that but Yeah a lot of learning lessons going through that for sure. So did you. Sounds like you didn't have an actual partner in this but you had other some other people that you were working with a kind of setup and some different directions that may not been directly involved with your product but you add some help from from some some other people. Is that true. Well actually. I did bring the the first iteration I did bring on him on as a CTO basically and You know we try I mean he thought he was like Zuckerberg. You know just like you know. I can't go pitch this in front of it doesn't work right and you know in in a in Uh I think the bubble at that time was you know you know you can draw something on Napkin and get funding for it. I'm like I'm in Detroit up. Not In San Francisco. This doesn't worry like that. How many the How how many people what was the name of Your Business? Let's throw the plug out there So it's got Social Sushi Sushi. DETROIT DOT COM is the website We're actually pivoting Which I hope that we can get to that story too but But yeah that's the way we got all the time right. What a Okay so she is it more than you. Are there other employees you work with people So so right. Now is a have a small Martine right now. primarily my chefs and stuff like that they while we're kind of going through the motions of the space and stuff like that. They have their own jobs and Projects that they're working on And anytime that I'm able to point business in their direction while we're figuring stuff out that's what I do do you still. I imagine I mean you know things are still growing. I imagine you. Do you still cook you roll Sushi so our role when I need to okay Not that I choose to. One of my chefs aren't available. They've trained me enough. You know to get So how many people are in the operation total then So it's right now. It's two of US Operations thing and then as far as You know being able to tap into ships to get the business done It's about three okay through those folks. You know there's a there's a saying competition is good for business you'll see You know a corner with three of the four corner gas station or Home Depot next door to the lows. You mentioned that you wanted to strike out on your own and you didn't end. You landed on Sushi after thinking being a you know trying or thinking about a couple of different things Was it your. Was it your goal to create something novel or or something thing that comes that something that comes with built in competition that there would be. It's it's a sector that's already been proven people want it so I think at the time When I started it wasn't necessarily to start a restaurant or you know a a catering business didn't start out that way? He started out as a kind of a social venture to bring people together and Sushi. Was this tool. And how did that and with the folks told me it was there. Hey like I've been looking for good Sushi over Detroit in. I haven't been able to find it yourself is good where you located and I heard this one hundred different times and at that point. It's just like you know what. Let me put together a business plan to see what we could you know if we can kind of feel that Nigga. Did you know that need that. We've been hearing about now. There's been a long I know so I live in Madison Heights Over the last couple of years medicine is tasteful. Park right along John. R There's been this Large push for actually Asian cuisine Of all kinds of a Lotta noodle places specifically But really in. That's kind of going from there. I think the number one others others a Korean Karaoke bar that opened up in buy target fourteen mile. John R. It's now been I think. Two years running the top Karaoke bar the southeastern Missouri the checkout area in so I've got a friend who it's the Opera House friend. I've got a friend who lives in you. Know She's the she's a thirty something millennial who lives in in new center right and when she was looking for and we share a birthday stay. We weren't on the same day and when she was looking for something for us to do on our on our join birthday she. WHOA WHOA She was reaching out to friends in Ann Arbor and wanted to karaoke and every every google search for Kariuki. He landed on this this this bar knife this one age a bar. I guess it's I mean there's not that many now again so have you noticed any Any continued rise in interest seeing that so many of these kinds of Asian cuisine places are popping up. Maybe not so much in the city proper for but you know kind of in and around the city. Yeah I mean specifically on the city proper Since we've been doing the pop ups and catering that we've seen At least a Meru is opened up downtown Detroit and there's a Lafayette Washington Washington But it was like The Chrysler building is like right off the same thing. Take place the place. I was thinking of re write by Scott which gives me four to maybe. But it's been a minute since I've been on this around. It's not too far from question. Russian dumb question that this has nothing to do nothing do with carryover. You've mentioned two streets Washington Lafayette which are in Royal Oak are a block apart are those do they have any relationship to the streets in Detroit now they okay. I just didn't know if they win. None of them if they They actually crossed. They're in. Yeah they're completely different there. I think. Washington Lafayette or someone. Famous people around here or something like that. Yeah I think I've heard of them ever since everything everything anyway so you so I I mean but has this helped your business in these these sorts of that. It's becoming something I I didn't grow up with Sushi. I grew up with with pizza and fast food in cheeseburgers. And I didn't grow with my parents didn't take me out to. I didn't know what Sushi she was. There was some exotic sounding thing. I didn't grow up going to restaurants really I was. I don't think I want to arrest until I was nine or ten or eleven so growing up. I extremely the well we didn't we never. Did we just really didn't go out anywhere. I remember I'd have to go to my grandparents asks to McDonald's because they would take care anyway but that being said you know that's something I didn't think about around here Sushi certainly not or something I saw on television and now it's becoming you know we just mentioned before I think before we got on online line. Here we talked about six seven eight places within a not quite walking just right here let alone in the Detroit area. I can say when I was when I was a kid. I envisioned Sushi as well. Oh if I go to Tokyo. Wealthy do provide money. Your Rice in New York ape places you've been able to ride that wave at all that it's so I definitely think so I think Because we were able. And here's the thing that really struck me was that Every time we had someone Try Sushi for the first time with us. We had them for. I mean I feel like we have them for life like they're they're going to always compare everybody else's to our stuff the need to try some run this man right here and I think maybe you're gonna find something I could do. A very specific order California roll southern real simple simple. Everything's cooked not it is and go so. Let me let me ask you a question. We've talked about some of the specifics on the business. And some of the things you used is to do What do you think the skill set is that you bring the table that allow you to have the success? You've had in perhaps going to have more success going forward. I mean if you can pick a couple of things well what is it that you bring to the table that that allows you to be successful. I will definitely say vision being one Just the foresight to do you know I imagine I guess Something to see it'd be able to come alive and you need to do to make it happen so definitely vision I think that this crazy work ethic I mean because nothing ever really goes right to stay on top of it and keep going so so yeah vision worth and kind of this I think maybe an initiative you know because it's easy to think about an idea to actually put in the word to execute it Even if you don't have that particular skill set I think everyone everyone has a great idea every Thanksgiving you're sitting around in somebody's got an idea like hey we we need this. Every writers in their head is the best novel world. Everybody's got the best. Everyone's got the best You know they haven't written the screenplay yet but it's it's right here you know. It's absolutely the only person present company excluded. The only person I knew that I can think of who had just like a killer idea who just made out to a family reunion some years ago and was talking to my dad's cousin. Betsy Betsy Betsy and Betsy Betsy said have you tell you this. Is Betsy Devos. She's relatively the wealthy but I don't think it's because of what say I'm going to tell you. What the name of this product at all right and we're going to try and keep it together all right? It's called beebees. Muffins splitter glitter okay. Does it take the top. The top of the muffin off a spring spring loaded thing. It's a it's a machined. It's there's no springs but it's like this it's metal under tensions you can squeeze it and it's like a fork but the tines are like half the time offsets if you squeeze them this splintering see you. Stick it into an English muffin open and you squeeze and it just POPs up on a part and apparently she sold thousands of wow. I like English Muffins. I've never the thought of that before. Right so peasant apparently have A. BB's Muffins Florida and Muffins. On those rare occasions that that I have English Muffins at home than I will. I'll use it but I don't buy English muffins because now of WBE B.'s. Mother no that's that she. She sat around like jail. And you both have in common. You got up and you did something about if you saw it. We're for share A teacher friend of mine told me about. He said one of his students one of the guys that it was just like lazy. We just I mean just kind of a behold I mean that's what he said but he said he said he He's not coming to class and when they saw him and and He's like hey what happened. What was going on? He's like struck a big at a great idea and You know made it happen. So what is it he said is sorted Napkins. And I'm sorry to see your drink doesn't stick to the NAPKIN. Yes he said he was sitting at the bar. His cousin is his cousin was a like a lawyer whatever Or no lawyer. He was a patent attorney. Specifically patents are but Yeah and he was just like really all right. Let's let's make it happen. And I think they sold it to Solo. I think I think the story. I'm not sure check. This sounds great elsewhere. He's like yeah he's a millionaire. Now Begins Napkins did that. Don't stick to your so sometimes it's not about initiative. It's not about this. It is about having an idea and patenting in southern enough I do I mean. I think that that goes to something. I'm about to ask you so a lot of people. Once they're successful like to talk about how they're self made made they they did everything on their own I mean in your opinion people that you've seen as being successful entrepreneurs for the amount of success assessed that you've seen yourself Obviously you're you know you haven't what we you on top of the mountain register on the way up amount I mean there are a lot of people we're GONNA say you know my own bootstraps. I did it myself. I'm a self made. No one helped me for someone. Who's WHO's in the muck right now? Who's doing the work I mean I is it? Would you say that everything that you've gotten so far something that you've done to yourself or like you just said that in that story I it sounds like there's there's there's hard work mark there's initiative is a good idea but sometimes as being lucky being in the right place at the right time with your opinion on that so I will say that Definitely there's a let me put that so I think for one you. There's no there's often no other you so for that. I mean I think there's you know this egos it's like hey like I did this. You know whatever But I mean there's a lot of moving pieces to start a business and everything like whether it's funding whether it's actually you know having a team of people and being able to I mean even if you the greatest manager in the world if you don't have a half the people to manage you know still sinking boat So for me I couldn't be where I am one without my customers So I couldn't say that like I got here by myself like no. It's the community of people that support what I'm doing or loved the product that I'm doing or at me to come to for catering hearing or anything like that like I couldn't do that without them. into The resources that are out there to people that want to support in you know Like specifically some of the Detroit Detroit resources that are out there Taking part of so many different Bill Institute So Bill Grad Did take time retail boot. Camp Camp So dares Systems in place to help support. And I definitely don't think that I've gotten here. Where as far as did without those support systems so Definitely part of it is definitely like hey like because of me this thing is going but definitely would never say that I got here by myself. I mean it does seem Where the same people I think in take their ideas and drought you know if they were born in Outer Mongolia Worn on the steps in Asia or wherever it might be With the same idea of taken off you may have been just as smart. You may have been had a great idea but there's so much around you that's a success if you're not in the right spot not in the right time. You're not in the right. You know you're not in the right Uh We call atmosphere some other people who've been successful to. It's really hard to kind of pick that up. What would you say is the what would you say is the most the most rewarding wording thing that's happened to you as a business owner? Say the money the all of the well I. Ah I think at the end of the day I kind of alluded to earlier was the the when I get someone who has never either had Sushi. I mean we're talking You you young folks twelve fifteen up to you. Know Forty fifty. Six years old never had Sushi before and it's like to me to allow them to this experience and now it's just like oh my goodness it's a me. That's opening up their world in a way today. You know like okay. What else have I became keeping yourself from all this time you know And that's something to me. That just like does something for me so I think that to me. That's the most like that building that relationship Through food food has been the most amazing. So yeah I think take just a another couple of minutes to talk about that. I think we talked about a little bit four before we even started recording writing and I thought it was really interesting. Is that Sushi's did a byproduct seems like what I be correct in saying that they're really Your interesting community in bringing people together. He talked a little bit about that right right so so when I moved back networked all over the city and just went to build relationships with people it didn't Matfield was An event for the nonprofit sector or I was among artists musicians or Other entrepreneurs preneurs like I I participated in these events built relationships and figured out how to What I saw was that everything was so segment? Like those folks over the air. These over here. What can I do to bring these folks together and I thought you know like Sushi as old as it is? It's still new to so many people and then folks that do eat it. It's an excitement about going to eat Sushi. It's not just like Oh yeah just today right. You know it's a it's a thing like oh sometimes like it's like Oh we're GONNA get Sushi. You should've told me that she was you know. It really is a whole experience behind hind innocence. Social experience like I don't I don't know what the statistics are. How many people go get Sushi by themselves? Like I really know what it is but it's more like A. Hey let's go out and get Sushi to go together so it's like a natural going all alone. It's kind of crazy but it is a social food. I think you know and so. That's the tap into I so it's funny. You say that because I was talking to my wife the other day about eating better eating healthier healthier dieting. You know I don't even know how we talked about the actors who go on these crazy dies and Keil for three months in order to get down the shape or whatever and I was just thinking. Can you know what the the biggest thing I would have. A problem with about ever going on one of those diets is not about missing out on food. La But the whole social atmosphere that comes with like everything you know it turned us around Food with with people as much as often as possible and I know some people I know Calvin does does this. I know a Jennifer Kenny. Does this a lot of people do these. You know they they get that basically. It's kind of old school dinner party and it sounds exactly what you're talking about now in its with with more of a social bent now whereas maybe before it was. You know You know in the bourgeoisie getting together with their boozy friends friends and like y'all sitting around the table you know in every one but now it's it's it's a different it's kind of like let's get as many people from different backgrounds. Different points of view right together and eat something and then talk about something in an atmosphere of respect Versus something different. So it's really encapsulated you would our first event looks like Like they're literally all these different people from these different networks that I it was built relationship with brought them to one place and and it was no programming or anything like that is just say. Hey we just coming together has Sushi and you know we ended up doing like some type of like giveaways and stuff like that would ever to ask them kind of fun to it but at at that point in time we didn't even do the Sushi. I had space a hat Sushi Like it was a Chinese restaurant is no longer openers. While downtown was the very first place we did it so it wasn't even so much that I was about. The like Sushi is going to be delicious like all that kind of stuff. That was the by product right. And then it kind of morphed into all right so people love this stuff You know like I say. My uncle has been doing Japanese cuisine. Pretty much my whole life so I had some type of exposure to it through that uh-huh and then One of my other parts at the time. Her cousin was A Sushi chef as well so he will come in due events and stuff like that We had A sushi rolling class and people went nuts about it. Oh my God it was so great. You know it was like a couple's thing you know like they do it together And it kind of grew from there and You know and then then we start putting our own spin two different things like we had this our own twister spicy Mayo. That people absolutely go crazy. They're just like this winning going to buy this stuff like ah needed I Zombie and mine too so I don't have to bother with that because there's some there's some kick inside and like You know like I say it for those folks that eating Sushi for the first time and they have it with the sauce and go somewhere else and just like Spicy Mayo. And it's like kill back do that. So kind of a side of the previous question what would you say is the Eh what was what was the hardest part of this press biggest challenge yet. I think the biggest is a part that I'm here right now. So I'm actually looking at Get an actual location and so I've been I think the last project we were very very close to actually make it happen when you're looking king for a location. Are you looking for something like public facing at so So we started to look at What a Sushi lounge could look like? Think like a full service you know we have some live entertainment some time. You know like we can kind of bake into This physical space all the things. He's that we've done over time so now we got folks coming in so we did poplars. We did publish a place called Already Trade Down in court town Or Softwares Detroit and and What we see people come in That lived out of town and came association. Hey I love this thing like I'm able able to meet New People the Sushi that I love and I'm meeting New People every time I come here. We have people playing board games together strangers. Just playing board games together One time. It was somebody else's birthday cake and everybody in the whole place and you know it's a small it's been played so One of the challenges was. How do we figure out how to I'm kind of ingrained some social aspect to a full service restaurant but also How do we get good at just doing Sushi? You you know So so yeah so the full service idea um and doing the sushi lounge has been very challenging as far as like Trying to get a space open architects. The you know the contractors The building owners and all that kind of stuff So Dr last based didn't workout for us it was on Libranoy he's having mile and which at this point may have been a blessing because there's a lot of construction? It's happening over there right now and a lot of challenges. I mean. There's going to be beautiful when you get done with it. But right now a lot of businesses are having challenged over there right now if you If you had you know looking over the last decade okay D- of your experience in this. If you came across a twenty year old twenty two year old. who were who said? I WANNA start a business. I have an idea. What advice would you give them So I will definitely say to TAP into somebody's resources to Think through business planning and things like that I would definitely suggest to figure out what is the Without spending a lot of money what is the way that you can put something out there to see if people actually actually want what you're trying to you mentioned business plan where you say. Business plan is is crucial to SOS starting up so I will say no I I so there's this A book called The business model canvas and basically it walks you through Quickly kind of walk you through different steps of planning a business. I in so quickly. You're getting down your initial thoughts right away So who do you think your customers going to be. How how much do you think is going to cost like? What are the suppliers and things like that and everything so you go through that? I like the game lemonade. Stand Dan I mean Kinda right so and then the thought processes that now when you get down your initial thoughts you go out to the you go out and talk. Lots of people do are those Women aged twenty to thirty two. Are they really the the customer are. They interested in what you have. You might come back and be like actually I found out it was men forty five to fifty. Actually there's Selling ah I figured it was going to be a woman. So here's the thing with that though like you say you might find out that even though you're selling lipstick is actually the minute is buying lipstick. So you're actually yeah like so don't make don't preconceived notions are just exactly so my mind set on business plans like I. I don't want to waste a lot of time trying to develop this business plan. which is aw assumptions? And you've done nothing to actually test out those assumptions and until you waste a lot of money and I'm if I'm not mistaken I think in in in the case of the business plan has more of if you're seeking some capital to start start startup capital. You might need what they wanna see. It's all assumptions and dreams. But they WANNA see they want to see your prices. Are you think through what about this number. Why how how did you arrive here? So from that standpoint like definitely but I think You know as you mentioned the the young person. It's just a hey I got an idea I would encourage courage not to do a full business. Plan are encouraged to do this. Business model canvas in kind of like play around with those things actually started. Maybe even talked to some other business the owners and get some kind of like close actual about some numbers and stuff like that. which is something that I talked to other restaurant tours and got a lot of great feedback piggybacking in that? If you could pick in your in your experience your biggest mistake what you would tell. Somebody don't mistake or you don't owe fan. Don't do this. This is something you know. Just don't do this and then conversely If you have something that was absolutely your best in greatest idea that you would definitely say. Here's what you should do. This is a must you might be small. Might be big. But what would that one thing that they absolutely should so. The first one was was the biggest mistake that encourage other people to stay away from us. It's the captain crunch pursued some sake You look back on today and you just kind of cringe just a little bit thinking you know what that was and that was a fork in the road where I shoulda gone the other way Our probably say I tried to force a partnership that just wasn't it. Just the pieces didn't fit but I was trying to force it to And it was just it was just bad because by nature my nature like I wanna win together right. I'm just like yeah we can do this together. And it was just The end of the day just just work out so I think that you know partnerships ships when it comes to like you know doing business together for one of course it's never personal but Also like I mean you have to kind of step away from your personal feelings fillings about it and like hey does this make sense doesn't do the pieces. Well it sounds to me like what you're saying is it's like any kind of other relationship where you're dating someone you're actually more like marriage really a contract in in the sense that you need to know you're getting in bed with and you know you gotta be able to you know like Like before you marry somebody that we have kids. We not let kids do we. Yeah he's taking my name or no or what schools. Are we going to go to where we're getting to live where you know. What are we going to separate bank accounts? It sounds to me like it's Kinda the same deal as you gotTa have these. These talks exp before you ever get in a business. Yeah absolutely and I mean fortunately we didn't actually like get things off the ground Before kind of things that the fan but which very you're lucky but Yeah it would probably be disastrous Had things move forward and you know real money got him off. So what's the opposite. What's the best booboo move? You made any point that you can look back on now and say. Hey when I did this this really kind of helped turn a corner not may have not ended up where you want to be the but it was something you learned from. That was really a point that you can look back and say I made the right decision this case and you know that's something you pass on to somebody else So I mean I think it's a trust in the gut I think So traffic of a particular situation When you say that you mean like don't let someone talk you out of something that you feel deeply right at your own yes some somebody just you're supposed to other day? He said don't follow Stop trying to get rations for what it just never been where you're going and it is so much nicer people so you wouldn't care about their own advice type thing. Yeah I mean I. I think a lot of times I just because we want to transfer to so-called business now this can't and especially if you respect the person who they are and what they do but if they've never been where you're going you know they're offering into this like hey. You should do this. You should do that. You have to take it with a grain of salt and follow your Heart Immuno even if you bump your head or whatever case me so I think Definitely like just just trusting your gut. I mean even through relationships. There's sometimes I just like I don't know if you actually want to do. I might listen. I'm my good says. Move forward with this. Sometimes it works out sometimes. It doesn't but I think that at the end of the day. If if something were to go wrong I trust them. I good and I'm okay with the fact that if it didn't work out because at the end of the day I mean if if you fail you fail because you didn't do something that's worse than saying I've tried and failed versus. I never thought to actually do it. Because then you only have yourself the blame you so for regular listeners of this program who They they measure the rhythm of their life by two hours. We're we're going to bring this one in short and this is a normal result or the a predictable result of having one person to five so we want to thank you for being here. I appreciate your time and let's let's plug it one more time at Social Social Sushi dot com so social sushi. Detroit that I just wanted to say that We're actually in the midst of a pivot right now so I'm training from a full service operation to a more Fast casual I pretty much dominate Sushi delivery. 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You know like vaccine. Yeah Yeah it just kind of get back to some because the rhythms have changed with with Social media so much So definitely a search engine stuff definitely getting that on on deck So like you were saying googling the Korean among podcast course. Seo definitely definitely matters but yeah all right so social SUSHI DETROIT DOT COM J.. Great to have you here. California to this is how you bring the show in our You Been You got anything to wrap up with Steve. I just want appreciate it. I appreciate you being here. Jay this is I think there's There are you know there's a lot of people I think out there with that idea. They're sitting that bar and looking at that Napkin. Thinking damaged glass keeps sticking to that but they never do anything about it and I think a lot of times. It's it's not necessarily that. They don't have the the motivation to do it but I think they don't. They're maybe not brave in that moment because they haven't seen other people successful sexual and so they don't WanNa give too much of themselves that moment for fear of failure in so I think someone like yourself who's like you said you're not to the top of the mountain but you're on your way up and I think that's inspiring to people like you had When you were younger you saw success and you wanted to emulate that success and I think it's people people like yourself who are GonNa come out and say you know I'm not rolling into right now but I'm on my way to something that I believe in and it's not necessarily mansions wins in limousines but there's a lot more that's fulfilling that's part of it and so I think stories like yourself are are what's important and kind of in passing on whatever now we have failures failures and successes because learn more from the failures and some value in the midst of that? 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Crazy Nerd Films and Crossovers, & Podcasting Evolutions

Altered Geek

2:10:27 hr | 1 year ago

Crazy Nerd Films and Crossovers, & Podcasting Evolutions

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It's not enough to bankrupt the studio studio but it's going to impact their financial fierce like is it sony sony i was gonna say like like even furry fans like our would db end this because it doesn't look no hate it. It's it's weird there was i was watching internet today about a month ago and the free community hates it. What is it cats the movie oh it's universal that's gonna bomb anyway because everything looks like they they have not had universal really hasn't had a good amblin entertainment talking bird. He's the executive producer. Why do you know what's really funny. It says directed by tom hooper my eyes while focusing on it went toby to were you. Yes i would watch the texas chainsaw cats massacre. I was like oh my that's. If that poster says toby hooper hooper on i will actually go see it because then i know the whole movie would be like you'll be like thirty five minutes of this musical and then it would just descend into madness <music> like i would love if a movie man i can just imagine dodd rolling over by real sure in in high school i remember in my film classes like like seventeen and my teacher all right alex saying oh that's that's not how you make a horror movie and he goes well alex. You know what's your idea. What's your big idea. What we the scariest terrifying best publicity stunt movie ever and i was like you really want to know and he's like yeah. I i said you don't market it. As a horror film you make a horror movie that is a normal family drama about adopting a dog or you know like like things like beethoven boven type thing and you get through the movie and you go into and first of all you release film versions film where it has a happy ending wherever he was with the dog and everything's happy friendly family and that's what you released to the and i prefaced it by saying by the way teacher you have to be willing to be sued over this for what you're uh-huh because what you're about to do is technically be fraud film that ending where it's like a family movie you get rated g. rating and but what the real ending is everything's the same until the last ten minutes when everybody's sitting down to dinner then it just it ends with him taking the dog out the back of walking away and then my teacher just looked at me and goes oh my god alex this flag and that's how you make a horror movie. Nobody expects because become the greatest horror film of all time he goes you could walk free market as one thing being the NPA sees it as one thing and said here's the best part i said before you submit to you can only work for that opening night the very first showing and it can't be something sent out digital. It has to be something that's open and premieres all at once but i said what you do. Is you get that not only do you get the g. Rating you send that family film that has no swearing in anything to the <hes> forget the company that does it. They're the ones that give it those white doves and you can get away with it for the first showing like seven. PM on friday night and then it becomes the harvey it becomes the biggest new story in entertainment hollywood history but it can only be done once that's because somebody accidentally submitted to the theaters all at once you have it can only be done once and you would go down and infamy as the UB so you'd be infamous but you'll be known as the person that made the biggest hoax movie in hollywood history also. Is that not the definition of or when. You have no idea that it's coming strew. That would certainly make some headline. That'd be the best horror film ever but now that everybody else has heard this. It can be done now that i've said it but that is that is my. That's my so if they did that with cats. I'd be okay with a roundabout way saying that you could do that but this is one of those cases where it might be more funny to hear how messed up alex seventeen. That was my horror film. That was my idea and i just remember my teacher coming to me afterwards and he's like alex alex as horrifying because you're actually right. It's something i it's the perfect orpheum but you can only do it once. It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing bobbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. It's pain and it's getting in between you and the life you want to live cd medic target your pain outsource added source. It's fast acting relief with active. OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC free soil get back to your life with CBD medic available online. That's CBS these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease so if you're just joining the show right now welcome welcome to alter geek of course i'm steve phillips and joining me in this adventure to geeked him obviously as an alex alex. I promise psycho anymore. No you are evil half my life ago so i- i coming from the guy who may be put barnyard animal sounds throughout the entire episode i wouldn't do it. I won't swear this time. I'll just disturb you this time yeah. That's a little bit better so since we're talking about movie franchises here and that was the question for for <hes> last week about you know basically what we think about movie franchises are they trying too hard to create universes are some beth's lead in the past as trilogies or things that that you know <hes> change the status quo either by misdirection in trailers or taking characters back to their corporate playgrounds especially this one would change the status-quo destroy it it would destroy the MPAA they would have to implode and create something new it would it. Would you be willing to lose like fifty you'd have to you'd have to be willing to go and nothing company. You'd you'd have to be willing to never release a film in the states again or yeah. You'd have to be willing to release things directive at it. You'd never have a chance of releasing things theaters ever again and you'd have to be willing to lose every single penny that you ever made from that film. Do you know what's funny net flicks. It probably still hire you so netflix or somebody are able to make films in europe for the rest of my life. I i think that's lex would hire you. They i mean they did with adam. Sandler sending traffic films like the film that movie for like five million dollar budget it would get sued into high heaven net flicks or somebody would pick up the legal bill and then they'd be like able to market saying hey the most controversial film director in history. We've we signed him for you know whatever and then ever watch just because the first thing i make would be super watched and then everything else will be like it'll be mundane by comparison because what can you ever do again. That's that's crazy. I wonder brothers did the banana splits movie or you know what i do. After that i only make children's films and the reason is you'll never know everybody will watch because like is this the one where he's going to do something frigging crazy again. Did you get high ratings. Thanks because everybody would watch it exactly and the thing is you make thirty of those movies and by the end you're like people like i was talking to and then you slip something in or but like you have an insane because every time you release move to be like is this the one where it's gonna creepy so you'd have all these like twenty year olds in these theaters or or watching TV. Is it going to happen and they'd watch an analyze every frame trying to see if if something was slipped in but you'd have to make sure that your entire process was guarded not one person involved lived in the editing process could be you'd have to do it very rubber riga style where you do the editing yourself under lock and key and secure secure server yeah or or or any of the creepy stuff that you do if you do slip something in oregon i wouldn't necessarily have to because you make secretive with like oh he films uh-huh extra scenes on his own and i i would have to film stuff myself and then edit it myself and if nobody's ever saw maybe twenty percent of the film that they're working on and and you had like four crews working on different things it'll be difficult for them to collaborate and see the whole picture so you'd have to be very very secretive so to swing things back to steve's original question talking about franchises. I was looking. I've actually been thinking about this all week week. In terms of their franchises like i think their franchise have gotten too big for too big for their riches for example and one example this is the alien franchise alien one two three and even resurrection self contained cool prometheus was an experiment and it was ultimately. I feel unnecessary. I don't need to know where where the space jockey it came from. I think it was better left as a mystery and then alien covenant explaining that they wiped <unk> out the engineer civilization now and the android is responsible further earth's a lot from i still like that one better than prometheus and it was so so incredibly for somebody ridley scott has <hes> has done some of the best cinematography laying on his film on in history of hollywood lake kingdom of heaven. I still think is the best shot film ever <hes> just just based on his lighting being in filming it on seventy millimeter and all that crazy stuff but this it was so dark in so gray. You couldn't even see like i saw an i max so it's brighter and i was like this. Is it like the only film there's two films that have been that dark and i almost fell asleep at other than that. One was thwarted dark world and the other was news chronicles ernie. Ah what was the dawn shredder no the prince caspian or something that one one of those was was incredibly like everything was blue and muted and like almost black and white and he was like oh. I'm going to fall asleep. That's the lookie went and it was like the doesn't inspire the people to the series. The series was like bright and colorful but dark and he went dull dark <hes> another another another franchise because steve talked about this on creating universes. I think too that worked together well and could be expanded further into a shared universe was freddy and jason because at the end of nightmare or at the end of friday the thirteenth part nine freddy's glove drags jason's since mass down the hell than in two thousand three. We had freddie versus jason. If you told me that chucky existed in the same universe i would be okay with that question. Which version of chucky the brad dorf version of basically the one that's more spiritual yeah okay the the one with the the food you and even to further expand upon that in some of the early drafts for freddie versus jason at the end of the movie pinhead shows rose up and says what seems to be the problem gentleman so if you want to combine all the horror movie monsters into one shared universe it's like kaija but with murderous mania okay with that i'd like some candyman mix in there and what else would be good. It would have to be something recognizable nice little pumpkin head. I mean you could go leprechaun but you could go stupid. No that's going too far. The jeepers creepers oh the creeper. Yeah see that's okay. I don't think mike myers would fit. Bars is almost a little too grounded into reality. You're not really the immortal yeah you could go with what else has had like long storied. Maybe the guy from fans adam but he's an alien dan so not really plus angus scrimmage dead so <hes> and if you really want to have the ultimate commit team off when everything's all said and done you have them before he gets too old to do his own stunts bruce campbell. You could have as far as heroes rose have him with trying to think is there. There's not really any other heroes in horror films that span multiple not really i mean there was in the comic comic books your ass versus jason versus evil dead they had the dream warriors came back like nancy came back somehow i think even though she died died nightmare three and the other survivors from friday the thirteenth but there is no heroin you can get tommy jarvis from from the friday the thirteenth movies but he's been played by multiple people. I guess if you wanted to bring back corey feldman. He's too busy trying to make music but yeah. I'm like that's the only franchise i think if you wanted to build it out to be big stupid and wouldn't break things neely and needs to shrink bring down because involving the predator stuff yes it is in the comics from the nineteen ninety s and there had an alien versus predator movies but neither of them were really really good. If you've had an interesting ideas if you really wanted to and i honestly think it could work it depends on on the tone they go for and it's going to depend on getting a few franchises together but at one point they were released owned and released by the same company and that would be doing a robocop terminator. Yes that could could work as a good one because a ryan is back in a ryan was the original release company for both so i mean you could do it where it would as you don't even need it would need to be basically as pushback. You keeps getting pushed back always in the film's right well. Let's say it gets pushed back to a point where robocop exists and you could you could make it where you could literally make it. Where robocop is the protect. The protector because robocop being computerized theorized sees skynet the virus starting to take over well. Have you read the original comics no okay so you don't even need to change that that much. Actually this would actually work so it turns out. Skynet sends back terminator two detroit to kill somebody. I can't remember who the human resistance sends back someone to but it turns out okay. Here's what it is. The terminator send back terminators to protect protect robocop. The human resistance sends back human resistance fighter to kill robocop robocop. Brain patterns is what skynet is based based on so if robocop doesn't dies skynet will never exist so when robocop goes to interface with a computer at some point skynet copies his brain patterns and become self aware human resistance fails and robocop gets reborn born in the future as an as a as a computer consciousness who takes over a terminator factory rebuilds his body joins the human resistance and event and so you just destroy skynet goes back in time to stop the skynet satellite and then human history proceeds as normal and in robot cop just has a nice life and the terminator's never exist. It was pretty cool this book nineteen ninety one. I want to say you. He's you know what else i was thinking. It's a weird combo but i i would like to see it personally. In in the franchises like we saw the turtles and batman the animated movie and that worked out surprisingly well. I think we'll turtles and transformers would be an turtles. GI joe would be interesting to look at well funny. You should mention <hes> the whole dynamic of of mixing franchises <hes>. I'm gonna read this this <hes> email. I got from scanner fifty one it kind of leads into that he says i want to say that. The three person show last week was great. A real roundtable able discussion took place in that was cool some days ago. Someone in twitter said that they didn't like certain characters crossing over he didn't need to see bam. TNT meat. I know i along with TNT. When mike defended defended that series <unk> on that these crossovers are kind of cool the jail a human was okay. He meant verse injustice was okay. Lately rangers justice league. He's lately. I've been reading the dc hanna-barbera crossovers. Those are great fund plus. The hantavirus series were all the where all of the <hes> handlebar barracks crossover was to the DC looney. Tunes was some of the best books in twenty. He's seventeen and he says who would you like to see crossover. Even in film like not just like. I suggest we keep it to something. That could possibly happen so because it's not like we're are. We're ever going to get like deadpool batman well. They didn't make the did make the tea movies so why the marvel dc not you know what i mean. You would not see you would not see us. I said well we we actually you could see a better chance now having spiderman appear in in justice league in the movies that you do of having them in the so yeah especially after today's news that's what i mean so so yeah like a shared universe and it's going to suck yeah yeah getting out of their homes a comic because promise comics have somebody crossovers as it is think of like franchises that are okay. I would anything sifi that has like multi versus involved like how freaking cool would it be if you know the the stargate. ST one team you know went through a stargate. They were hit by lightning or whatever magical shit happens in some of those episodes and you know the end up you know on a ship and as they walk out it's the enterprise or or better yet. They ended up in a galaxy far far away a long time ago or or that would work too but i think i don't know because i don't know how far mike and mike were you at the part in in where the replicator show day just the last episode i saw was where they found them on that nuclear sub okay so the replica. Here's what what would happen if the replicator merged with the borg cyberman because there was like star star trek had from either w tana crossovers like there was a justice league star trek <hes> there's a few other ones like the they work well <hes> as far as because it's gotta be things that are realistically able to happen because some companies play nice and some companies don't we've. We know now that nickelodeon slash jacques paramount are willing to play ball with anybody so you know what properties they'll basically. GI joe unless we knows these are a little bit hasbro hasbro hasbro now body one in canada. That's going to be their distribution. Aren't they're not gonna be using paramount anymore. Power rangers transformers. This should happen what power rangers. GI joe joe transformers work really well like i'm honestly surprised that there wasn't a mega sword dino at comic on maybe maybe universal but if universal and and hasbro or whoever has the right to power rangers would want to do it pacific rim power rangers they basically like pacific grandma's basically power rangers if it was more realistic in quotes the like it was more grounded made for adults that would work what else i'd like to see and and i kind of did this on terrible warriors. A couple years ago is i crossed dragon ball z with sailor moon right. I had <hes> princess serena's it's a it's a pretty bad porno but i'm talking about like having the like the kingdom of the moon versus versus like here's freezes army. What would they do. That would be kinda cool to work. It just depends on who owns the actual manga rates over. Were there right like i could see a curatorial writing a really cool story. You're out well. I mean if you wanted to look at it like they do those crossovers all time in the fighting games the jump fighting games but like as far as the true series or movie i would say fistula northstar and dragon ball have ken versus versus oku like goku basically invincible but what happens when can hit some with his technique for makes his head explode or uh-huh punch man versus kenner whatever yeah yeah so people fans have been doing those sort of crossovers time with lake was a death battle in that but as far as like if we're going because enemies another one too where it's like you could have crossovers going live action large franchises waitresses. I would like to see the x. files crossover or something else. They did an x files ghostbusters years ago ah to issue. I think it would have to be like x. Files had some silly moments but it's not it's more grounded in not grounded in reality but you know what i mean. It doesn't have that same feel. I think x. Files what if you took the x. files and you put it in something you wouldn't expect x. Files crossed over with universal classic monsters no like like the like the conjuring or or something you put them in something. That's it's getting money now or can't be something like saw where it's a it's a person has to be something with a supernatural sort of edge to it. Jigsaw could be supernatural natural. Maybe moulder versus fucking petty widodo. You know what i would like. I would like x. Files cross with final destination asian where they're basically having to cover like is it death or is it you know is is there. Something else involved with this one thing. I'd like let's see this done and this movie. Kinda did it because all the characters are public domain anyway. You remember that really terrible hugh jackman van helsing thing movie. I liked it. When i i wanna see that again but maybe expand the roster of people he can fight like maybe maybe maybe they redid league of extraordinary gentlemen but made a good yeah because like there's something about the van helsing character. I've always really liked. I like him fighting the universal monsters that's cool. Maybe revisit my idea of fighting other monsters like literally if you had a descended ended a van helsing and he must destroy jason voorhees why don't have shown helsing sherlock holmes that would be cool that requires like basically they have their own. It's even you make you know fish out of water story where they're transported in time. It's not like the twenty what twenty second century or anything you transport him to modern time and they're basically run like they acclimate but they're running like a detective agency and there's like supernatural aspects to it so you got like these guys that are from the eighteen hundreds that are now you know two hundred years in the future almost and they're sherlock holmes would acclimate really fast because he hasn't inquisitive mind and would do all the reading <hes> than helsing would <hes> adjusted the weaponry and lay of the land and he'd have to have what maybe one or two more people so who else would be lots of water be there. Obviously i guess you'd have is. It's something the public domain maybe get like. I guess it would be like lee. Extrordinary told me because you could get like alan quartermaine. You could get like tarzan defenders of the earth only terrible or just it's terrible. I love that show. I thought they made up lothar because in that cartoon like arm like who he just looks like a normal dude i'm like why did you look like a normal dude so lothar israel yes. Oh what's funny is i saw i saw that. They made fun of it. They're like lothar of the hill people how no he he's real and they changed them because he's extremely racist. In the first couple versions he's a he's a savage from africa as described and he's drawn like full-on minstrel character and it's pretty bad because remember from let's let's comic strip from the twenties and thirties right then they made some changes to them but like even back then they always said that he was like he was a good person and loyal and this and this and this but like a lot of the comments were like he's loyal but he's a savage and it's like oh. Does anybody own the rights to the phantom character right now i i think it's king features and the phantom should make a comeback well. You could have done a crossover. The phantom of the shadow could do you could do one with all of the those whose characters all the ones from king features owns most of them and they've pimped out some of their releases to mill creek before but the phantom was <hes>. Uh was that universal that put that out or i think so. I'm pretty sure so. There's you're the best fucking tagline for for a superhero not just okay. One of my favorite superhero tag lines is your friendly neighborhood spider man but honestly that just sits above that the phantom the ghost who walks walks that is awesome so and i'm sorry steve. I swore i'm sorry that is so cool a half and i was genuinely trying to. I'm sorry it's excited. Let him be excited. I love the phantom even phantom twenty forty nine which is terrible super nintendo game but the phantom shadow they own they own the dow would tell you but i am but i'm thinking i'm surprised. King features hasn't been trying to get stuff off the ground because there. I thought they were public domain. No they still own the copyrights. The license them out to other comic was dynamite and a few other companies have done them in the past. They have <hes> flash gordon mandrake the magician the phantom they own popeye but you don't mix them popeye with that okay so here's what would they. There's a bunch that they still own but like you're not putting betty boop in there. It's not gonna be any fun. <hes> you could get a team together like defenders. Vendors of the earth was king features so you could do that with thinking it'd be the phantom mandrake the magician flash gordon <hes> put lothar in there. If you want to <hes> but you you could get those and then like the shadow work they sort of cover every type there would be inevitable people like saying hey you know mandrake. The magician isn't that just like isn't isn't that just like the sorcerer supreme. It's a sort of but he wears a top hat any actually but you could do you could do those films that would be in their names. People have heard of especially gordon yeah because honestly i would really like to see a doctor who flash gordon like crossover or like i said live action. Defenders of the earth would honestly be pretty cool. I mean cut out the stupid kids but keep the four core characters. I i think that'd be awesome or hell even go further back in time. If you wanted to make an all time defenders of the earth you could do king arthur sinbad robin robinhood joan of arc. I don't know i'm just picking names now but you know something like swords and sorcery if you wanted to do something like that i think bobby pretty cool drag ables e and mega man. You feel me staring at you you although i could plausibly come up with the storyline for that if you gave me two minutes but now like i i'm gonna i'm gonna send you guys in the chat a drip with mandrake the magician and lothar because they have they had to make some changes. Basically it's not as bad as i remember seeing some of them so so but like here's a caption so it just says menu enjoy yourself lothar and he goes me go for walk god. They made them dumber sounding. The hulk sucks because his character in the cartoon was actually pretty cool. He was just he was from the hood basically well. Who is that guy in sinbad who was he was. The black dude had all the all like the frigging throwing knives. Who is that oh. He was made up for the canadian show. I think he was pretty cool too. I really enjoyed his. That's a show. I wished they'd gotten more love <hes> <hes>. I thought it ran for two years. It was basically canadian canadian. Basically all those shows were filmed here or in like new zealand. I'm i'm trying to think of other. The guy in that was it was the older brother is due bar and that's the guy that voice beast in the x men cartoon. Soon public was wrong. It was no it was wrong. Are the mute warrior. That's the guy you're thinking. It was cool but yeah. I mean you could do like if you pull them together. You can do robin hood mixed with king arthur mixed with you can do a bunch of stuff like that but if we're talking about franchises that already big sometimes they get so big. You can't merge them or like like you said if you you can stretched stretched too thin which is what happened with mexican. They ran out of stuff to do unless they spent a lot more money. There wasn't any point in doing anything else with i. I think the problem with the accident on movies is they got a little too ambitious like to do a villain like apocalypse you have to have the writes grants and it wasn't straw clips well they should have done apocalypse unless they could have made it three and a half hours and and made it for three hundred million dollars dollars and you could have like okay here's the thing apocalypse should have been saved for when the merged the MCI as as an end of phase villain because you could've done the whole you could have done the whole like five part episode they did on the TV show had like half of them being lost through time while he's recharging you could've done so much there and they did and i feel like they're smarter doing the deadpool movies where they have these like more smaller more straightforward plots. They're setting things up like like mister sinister <hes> in deadpool two <hes> so they're. They're doing things like that but there wasn't enough done with wolverine. They should have had at least one one more film with him. I'm kind of surprised. I know it's a lot of physically grueling work getting in that kind of shape but at the same time he's he's still young enough. He could do another film or or have his character be in deadpool and then there's a way to not have him be on screen a hundred percent of the time so you only have to basically be in shape for half the movie. I'm trying to think of other franchises. That should cross over. I know in december. There's power rangers ninja turtles which should be pretty cool. I'm actually kind of looking forward to it. Sets a really weird time. Though for some reason <hes> <hes> the green ranger teams up shredder so it's during the green with with like evil time period so okay. I'm down bound for that. <hes> let me see what else would be interesting needle borg's hellraiser. That'd be live action. You just have jay leno play a <hes> the elvis slash of frankenstein. I forget what they call lamour. I wanted to serbia but i know that was <hes>. Let me see i've been of ghostbusters goes with a number of franchises surprisingly well again. There's a transformers ghostbusters crossover happening right now. I haven't read any of it though so i'm hoping it's good i note wrote. Ghostbusters has crossed with transformers before this there was a ninja turtles ghostbusters ghostbusters x. files okay i've got one because they basically killed the franchise hell boy and constantine that would be a decent and team up just like the BP RD with the justice league dark or the PD with the x. files imagine more to help data mention moulder running into john constantly like that would be fascinating and if if donald right basically open open world up instead of only focusing on what's up in the sky so that that that's that's a good thought i like that. Let me see what else would work. I'm trying to think there's anything transform transformers globeop that's ever been done. I know there's been references in the comics like like what kind of crossed over happen in a heartbeat if breath has robot tonka because i'm not saying like we should do they should do. GI joes transformers formers and then have a competing company just like the payment with the stupid playmobil movie now they should do a go bots and mask combine those together they could go head to head and then one could destroy the other mascot transformers wouldn't be it wouldn't be a bad team. I think they talked about. I think has talked about combining all of their different universes. Although they're different comic series to create one universe michael just want the pony bought ah yes. DJ poem three you never know i'm trying to think of other things that might be interesting because one thing that might work but i don't know the world is an setup for it but i like the politics of it if you could take the politics game uh-huh thrones and insert that in into DND but that's just taking a theme outta something like tyrian lancaster is not going to last very long in the forgotten realms just because and dinners her gearing with try her dragon shit and some ancient dragons is gonna kick her frigging ass or illitch will west you could use you could put westworld him. Put it in the same universe as he tricks robocop robocop robocop or the matrix like that that would work. There's the matrix and terminator works surprisingly well altogether yeah. I'm trying to think of the i in my brain. I'm thinking harry potter her something else but i'm trying to think i actually had. This was something i came out with. When i was in college i was sitting at a lunch table table talking with some of my nerd friends and we got on the subject of harry potter and i was ranting about transformers because of course i was and i actually came up with with the story line conceivably how transformers and harry potter could work together and it basically it all aw was the storyline was that mega tron and baltimore working together to protect the hor- cruxes megatonne wanted to learn the the secret of splitting his metron you wanted to split his spark and into different pieces so he could never be killed like of voldemort so voldemort like you helped me all help you achieve immortality so the cons and the death eaters teamed up and obviously optimus prime i'm in harry potter and bumblebee at hogwarts and it was magical stupidity but i did come up with a conceivable reason for this to happen so so the battle of hogwarts would be way cooler if they had autobahns and deceptive con- you know what you're not real. Ooh i was thinking it's kind of obvious but like power rangers and voltron yeah. It's pretty much slam dunk there. They did that under cats lie no and he man working together so you have mom ri- and skeletal are fighting each other or something like that the team up against attorney out or refund era or something evil lyn teams up and i don't know where or you could just do scooby doo and literally any franchise. The fact that it worked was supernatural surprised me why it isn't there one with the weird al weird al in urkel and somebody. I saw another piece online just recently about scooby doo. He's crossing. All these really weird they. It's like they don't even care anymore. They're like ooh. People will watch whatever we put out. Every other record. I watched uh-huh. Oh my god do. I hate him passion. What about scooby doo dry but like like robocop scooby doo dog no no no no no and while we're on that fact steve. You're going to have to bleep but fuck yogi bear. I hate him too. I went on a rant on twitter. I wanted to fight him with okay. How 'bout flintstones scooby what that i could work. If you had scooby doo either go back to the past the flintstones come to the future. Fred flintstone has to work with them to get home that could work their spirits are haunting where there were bedrock used to be or something and they're like hey guys. Is you need to help us get back to our time. Help us get back to our bodies and fred. Velma daphne are like okay so that could conceivably work. I'm surprised is that hasn't happened already hell we we've had the jetsons in. WWE so anything is possible. Hell you wrestling with a surprising amount of properties and pretty much diminishing return on results. I NJIT joe like a GI joe cartoon movie with it's already been done to slaughter right so you could introduce more wrestlers as joe's yeah i'd like to see them. Revisit that again actually because that'd be kind of fun and if they wanted to get kids into it again and like they used to back in the eighties. I don't see why why they couldn't but i guess it's all up to vincent marketing now so yeah because i think we're we're seeing a lot of these because they're not so big that companies wouldn't consider it like you really can't do like in live action movie batman with anything that's not from. DC like they would never allow it. You know what could work because it's worked in comic form before the had a batman spawn series that came out in the nineties and that was interesting okay spun and constantine because it's all both dealing with hell yep or on i would like to see this vis would be more a meet up or maybe a fight. The dc character hit man and the punisher or or ooh. It's not really a t. It's not so much crossover but it's a team up. I'd like to read the question and batman give me an amorphous and anything else from like the nineties scholastic books scholastic team up with on an abortion. Isn't transformers can work surprising especially. If you did the beast wars era transformers yeah no leave it waiting for him to say that yeah that series does not touched. I'm trying to think if there's anything that would work with that though not that. I can with beast east wars. I'm trying to just because its narrative is so focused and to where it is processing it over really wouldn't were thought of a franchise franchise. Actually it might work transformers depending on how you set it up. Do you guys remember there. The hercules and thunder dr sundar barbarian. I think something transformers naked. There's supposed to be the far future and sorcery but technically as you work work with with transformers it doesn't really matter which franchise of transfers or which version of robotech like macrey us well. That's where they got the idea for sky. He's values you could and actually you know what let like the mccraw like macro else robotech that whole thing and gun or transformers and gun them big hero. Oh six cats swat cats swat swat cats and biker mice or something biker mice or biker recognizes speech. Actually i'd like to see biker. Mice street sharks in ninja turtles team up for a comic book series. You could do a lot. I think a lot of them are owned by the same people to i would like to see like traumas topic crusaders toxic avenger using something it will be difficult pickled unless you just went with the kid wrote like from the cartoon show versus the NC seventeen movie where he crushes people's heads thought something weird again going to ghostbusters well. It could be a really funny tongue in cheek comic book. It wouldn't work in live action. Maybe animated added ghostbusters. Beetlejuice beetlejuice had had to act as a guide to the ghostbusters to the afterlife like well. You're not supposed to be here but i guess i'll help you help me sort of thing. Michael clark back and voice beetlejuice that could be kind of fun back to the future park back to the future is a franchise is i'm surprised how long the comic book ran and back to the future doctor who even just as a one shot could be back to the future bill and ted yes doc brown bill and ted. That could be just like these. He's crossovers. Don't necessarily have to be epic and world spanning to be fun and i think that's the idea because i know what the original feedback stage referring to a thread on twitter. That happened like week ago that you don't necessarily need to see it but sometimes it's fun to explore ideas okay. I got one for you. Rambo diehard okay we talking rambo first blood or rambo first blood part to forward partout part one while part one the original the original plot had killed crazy so ooh yes for whatever reason there's something that happens and it's just too big like mclane is stuck in a <hes> you know <hes> basically it would it wouldn't it couldn't be building. It would have to be like a fortified island more like a small town and like they both happened to be there for something and like a like an army like okay they're they're often in guam or someplace and a foreign army invades the or the invade puerto rico and take it and they get back because there's a live action crossover which i think if you've got michael bay behind the michael bay doing the action portions of it and if you got the right director doing the live action this during or at least the character development side of this fast and the furious so that over the top car action vehicle action and transformers that'd be cool. I think what everybody wants to see. It would be insane for the amount of people on screen would be expendable bulls and fast and furious every action person ever except for chuck norris and even then nurses and one of them so they say that could be interested or if you did again grabbing the people ask universal soldier robocop. Robocop is the future of the program interesting. I like where your thoughts because they're they're large enough. Franchise like universal soldier. You know not counting those two tv movies which were hilariously bad one of them had gary busey and it tells you something <hes> but you get you know you get dolph lundgren back and van damme back and peter well-defined at the university and the program has <hes> yucel program was a military program that was shut down and they're the only an OCP picks secretly had picked it up in detroit and you can even set it in the same world where like present day where robocop itself like the the first. Let's say two movies or canon. I don't think you really want to count the third or the or the or the tv. TV show on anything like that even though they're still considered the same continuity but the first two films and you you have it turns out like OCP CPI has turned out the unitil program into and they they've licensed it out to every major city and instead of dead soldiers in debt cops ops. It's cheaper. It's they're. They're saying it's either deb your dead cops but what the hell they've been marketing is not dead. Cops are saying oh you can volunteer to be in the program what they're not telling you. Is that the kill you to turn you into their. You know they actually kill you to do it and what ends up happening is. They're monitoring suffered. The unisource missiles used ends up becoming corrupted and then you gotta get these guys that are non networked and people that are out of the system to get them out so then you have you know dolphin and van damme and peter weller robocop have to go in there and you could even tie that in the terminator by having the unitil program and turning into skynet i would pay him series this because all basically all the tech from the robocop and unifil program on human anatomy and everything become fed into that for ardy is yes and then and then it uses that basis for the for the robo cup system to just factor out to humans and manufactured basically the husks that don't have any of the human brains anymore you hear this dark horse comics or ID w or boom studios only those three would work really well together. Oh and obviously time cop and transform our time cop. Terminator actually would be kind of get. I hate these word fun but i could see that working 'cause that work with that or even rebel complicates the time coupole works with a lot of things i wish had gotten more love and attention than it did because the first time great the second one not as good and i think there was a third there might have been a direct to video at the second one had limited run. Wasn't that like jason scott. Lee it was at that of the guy from <hes> is that the guy from iron chef marta off market costco's yeah. It might have been jason scott lear marcus. I can't remember who it is. I mean you you could do a double dragon streetfighter movie crossover because they were both terrible crow cross was something i think they've made that movie like so many times that the crow in constantine woodwork the crow in the x. files would certainly work. Oh no the the crow and ghostwriter. They're both spirits of vengeance. That's clever. That's actually remarkably clever. If you had actually go ghost rider and concentrate works to or growth writer and hell boy marvel come on i would see it takes it takes money and risk and nobody wants to do either of those that was anymore which is unfortunate because and get you also have to have the right creative script to go the do because i never thought in a million years i'd see power rangers justice bleak because as far as i'm concerned superman can kick the crap out of the power rangers <hes> but for some reason they can stand toe to toe with wonder woman so figure that one out <hes> so. I don't know i'm trying to think of other franchises that have not necessarily grown beyond on their their bounds. I think franchises that are at risk of doing it. As we mentioned most for all this episode ghostbusters as a franchisee is it could very easily overstep its bounds of cross with the wrong property. Transformers is at risk. I think even he man depending because i don't know how the new series is going to handle that comes out in a couple of years with kevin smith executive. You've producing so hopefully he won't. He won't like screw it up. It would be like really big in as far as TV goes and would probably do way better than you'd expect would be one no no no no no no no not not this this ribas madness don't know degrassi have a bunch a bunch of people from degrassi. Go for a semester go to california. There was something i was talking about this on twitter about a week ago and obviously disney plus announced all these shows and they mentioned she hulk and she hulk for those that don't know oh is a lawyer she's jennifer walters or waters and she's bruce banner's cousins so she got a blood. Transfusion is now an eight foot tall green lawyer. I said too. I said on twitter and tagged this guy and i tagged ice tea and my dude. Can you do a cameo the l. and the she hulk show but please be your character from law and order. SVU and then people started jumping on it. They're like well. The eventers did take place place in new york law and order would be candid with the NC. Can we please make this. It probably wouldn't be able to go with richard belcher because he's he's cameo as this character in x. files and everything else so that would be cool to if you can get me richard belshazzar and ice t to team up for one episode of she hulk universe anniversary like just a minute hatton question. Do you have hulk hogan guest star in that episode of somebody and then like in real life. He's their their produce. He's do he's there for the gawker case or something but still it's really neat to see other characters from other french edged because there hasn't been a character like richard bells or character detective munch in tv ever 'cause he was on the wire. He was on law and order. He was on homicide life on the street. I'll look it up right now. Because there's too many i think he was on frazier. At one point. He was on arrested development. I think like he's crossed into so many different universes which means technically they are. They're all connected so in theory homicide life in the street happens at the same universe as the x. files so the aliens are coming for us yeah so i think he's i think he's in the guinness book because it's like homicide life on the street one hundred and nineteen episodes as that character law and order SVU two hundred and forty one episodes homicide the movie law and order the regular one four episodes rested development x-files the beat law and order trouble is the wire thirty rock. Jimmy kimmel live not as in the actor as the character so the real l. world is is part of this continuity apparently like the world we currently live in <hes> unbreakable unbreakable kimmy schmidt up version of him appeared on sesame street sketch which is credited to being <hes> he appeared as his character was spoken lines in an album is apparently continuity to <hes>. Oh he's he's mentioned in in luther. The british bbc show and it's and it was confirmed that that that character is in the continuity of that british bbc show with what's his name. Why am i so there you go. That's what i mean this insane. I think some of those are just done because they want to say. It's funny the have him in everything but the fact that he played in the x. files is like west and this was before that that was commonplace because i remember when that what happened that was like an episode in season five. I think unusual suspects i think was the name of the episode before before they really jumped shark and when from filming bbc down to the states and season six got weird yeah so anyway steve you're saying sorry we've been dominating this conversation tation tonight you you pick the topic that we could go on for like twelve hours on my bed anyways so switching gears a little little <hes> quite a bit <hes>. Have you seen the <hes> that samsung is trying to push their peddle their <hes> their foldable phone again thousand dollars get bent man literally early because nobody in their right mind is going to pay for this now. The technology itself is cool because you can go to las vegas and see foldable. LCD LCD screens on certain slot machines. That's neat and everything but i don't wanna foldable phone in my pocket. How about giving me a phone that has three or four days of battery that would be beautiful loose to give me functionality over stupid stupid gimmicks like the razor flip foam when we were in high school that like that was the cool thing because it was still this because it was paper paper-thin but the battery still went like three times as long as now it's not powering the same kind of screen or power that we have now but it was it was leaps and bounds better than the candy. You know brick ones that we're used to it had a decently bright screen <hes> folded up in half. It was a whole lot harder to break the screen because it was very rigid and there are people that still have them and they work a lot of people use them still as their emergency phones like that with that was the last time that anything that needs to be made and they were great. Oh yeah they those things they get good signal to which was which was the great thing about them <hes> but no i mean i i know motorola or yet motorola's trying to make the the the new version the razor razor for which is going to be a flip phone <hes> smartphone very much in the same style as the original razor. Just hey see that will do better in its place is supposed to be about half the cost of the samsung lengthy z. I can't see people going back to those things because everybody wants touchscreens now will it would have touchscreen yeah and phone just like this although the outside. LCD that was on original one it would cover the entire service at the front of the phone so it would be basically like a square version of the phone in the new opening up and you have the full version of the phone so have basically a screen on that about three quarters of the phone the phone you you can get grandma and she would actually know what it is. Color me skeptical. It's going to do better than anything that blackberry put out in the last five years in the windows phone which had support dropped well. Neither one of them have done anything to be honest like. They're both totally useless. In today's is era yeah like the windows phone didn't do better ever used one using go ahead rendent horrendous response time extremely bad apps support like you ever used a windows windows tablet basically that at a quarter of the speed last time a windows from i i had a windows windows eight or windows seven seven even had a smartphone from like sierra wireless or some brand a and and it looks like an old brick style phone but it had a flip out keyboard on the front thing was built like a tank crazy battery life could play a few games worked great and it was great for two thousand six two thousand it was perfect and you know what's new about the newer phones from windows nothing. It's basically the same thing only they eh touchscreen support yeah in in honestly. It's it's just yeah. I i originally before getting the pixel three. I wanted one of the the motorola phones to be honest but this phone is actually really nice the the three because it's half the cost of the three but it has all works nowadays and i got the i got the two XL which i had the option of a three or or two XL two XL is cheaper. I got it for free would have to put like eighty bucks down for the other. <hes> yours has a couple extra features like faster charging and you don't in a bunch of other cool things to XL has actually a better screening the three it's sort of halfway between the three and than yours and i wasn't a big fan of it being no headphone jack but then i realized i <hes> you know what that means is waterproof and there's a bunch of other stuff so like i'm i'm liking the interface being super clean too. When you go to a third party company a lot of times they have different bloated crappy to put on the pixel phones have all that garbage and i don't know about and yours can have a two i think yesterday they pushed out <hes> android ten yet. Don't have have it installed yet. Do you use before you install. Do you use any google wallet or like banking information that you used to like tap payment or anything on their three. NFC no i mean i have google pay on their feature. Okay then you're fined because i updated mine and it completely we broke support because the apps aren't updated yet work on the new standard so when you go to tap payment and you turn it on it goes. We can't see your sim cards parts. We can't process payment. Even though everything else is fine and i looked at it like oh yeah the the everything is more secure but the it's going to be a week or two or more till banking companies released new versions of their apps that are able to actually use that security so i was like well damn but other than that i it looks and feels does the same except major feature that you might like to is. There's an option in your settings to set the system default to dark mode where it turns turns all the backgrounds dark any app that has that support makes it it makes it the contrast better and it uses less battery because it doesn't illuminate the pixels that don't need eliminating yeah. I actually have had that future for awhile yeah. It's become a standard. It's like the one of the main rate down future. It's it's it's a nice feature to be be honest and then of course we have twenty <music> seven years of batman series cool because kinda surprised you know knock on kinda surprised that more voice voice actors aren't dead when you start approaching thirty year. Mark and it's not like they were kids when they recorded. No you still have a george of them. It's just you know pretty much the end and <hes> the one that played kushner gordon yeah. I wasn't trying to drink. Bring it down but like a lot of shows when they're approaching coaching that like if you look at a lot of shows from the eighties and early nineties a lot of these voice actors are either like sixty five plus now so oh you know we're going to get to a point where they have fan expos and we're like oh half. The people can't show up anymore because they're no longer around so it's kind of cool at the. They're all around to record features and stuff when they release new. DVD sets and that because i think isn't the just came out with one for batman. The animated series was this year. I think next month when they had the blue already earlier in the year i think but the next month is the batman beyond one. Yes yep so yeah. It's always cool when the most people are still around and can go promote it and or in the case of many of them the end up showing up again for wore those new animated features which is great. I love hearing them. Show up on things <hes> from time to time just because it's nice nod so one other thing that is going to have this kind of talk about. Don't know how long the conversation will go on this but <hes> we'll. We'll see some things that basically discussing how <hes> podcasting changed since we first. I got involved with it and what we enjoy dislike. That's changed over that time well. It's a lot harder to get noticed now because everybody in their goddamn cousin has a podcast <hes> basically and anybody who's like a celebrity has one now to which pulls pulls away like ninety nine percent of the people that were potentially listened to you yeah which is really unfortunate. I've noticed that too because like back back in the early early days of twitter <hes> two thousand seventeen thousand eight hundred nine through i would say about twenty twelve breath. It was still pretty raw territory and and people were kind of you know downloads. Good people were kind of you know they were limited options options not everybody could get into it because they didn't know how and then you start getting the youtubers getting into it and then all the celebrities and news personalities repurposing zing programs or publishing special shows to it and now it's so flooded with although they say there's only seven hundred thousand podcasts so they say that's on their platform yeah because if you look like listenership like even our networks works. They're probably if the celebrities weren't a part of it taking up the vast majority of your like at. I'm not saying like joe. Rogan doesn't count because he he was doing it around the same sometime that <hes> he's been doing it like ten twelve years anyway but like and so he's huge based on that but like the vast majority of the just come in and automatically seemed to have like a million people downloading like if they weren't a part of it which would have probably ten twenty times a listenership because because of scarcity in because there are a lot of people out there that only only think of when they think of podcast they think that if it's not from a celebrity or from like a major company that it's going to be crap and they don't even want to bother listening to because they think oh it would be some mom and pop shop doing rambling about nothing in reality is like most of the really good things out there are run <unk> by people like us and not not some you know something pushed by westwood one or podcast wine or whatever it is studio. There's five or six big podcasting companies run by billionaires plus one one of the things that i can tell you from the broadcast industry is a lot of radio stations <music> are doing podcasts now they syndicate like morning shows or any of their talk programs as podcast but they don't know how to utilize it they just chop them up in the podcast chunks and throw them up on their websites and RSS feeds and they sit there and virtually do nothing. Nobody knows about them. Which is kinda to weird well. I've i've noticed that a lot of a lot of places don't exactly understand the process the bank when we when we started there really weren't i mean yeah. You had your pod being. You had your blog talk radio. You had your lipson. You had a few you know the blueberry very you hit some of these other ones that were in the game but there really weren't a lot and they were so pricey or bogged down with crap that you couldn't didn't you didn't trust them. You didn't want to put your your files there. So most of us hosted are fouls on our back end servers which was a drain on the server resources but and there was no real good tracking on it because spots could get to too but it was and it was yeah but also back then then most podcasts people putting for bandwidth concerns were mono and like six fifty six or sixty four kilobits per second so like most of were most of them are under like an hour so you were downloading only like twenty megabytes so it wasn't too bad. You know we're in the days now. Where <hes> people like again the joe rogan and other large podcasts podcasters are doing two to three three to four hour shows per week like they're doing twelve hours a podcast a week week and releasing them at you know stereo at two or three times that data rates so you can be downloading from one podcast. You could be downloading three or four hundred or five hundred megabytes per week and depending on what your data plan would definitely not want to do that on your phone. You wanna do it over wi fi in you know even when we were starting out like half of our programs. We were going well over well over an hour. I mean that that but the with one of the reasons why i started listening back in the day because you wanted something for the commute that could be with you all week you get two or three show the whole time yeah that was the great anything about it and we used to do some shows of relate anywhere from two to six hours depending on what the topic con coverage wasn't there one that was like six hours or something we'll will not blanchard did one it was like something one of the comic like new york comic connor toy kahn or something anyways he was on the radio free cybercrime for like thirteen our livestream and i was like no because they were like i think i was invited and i was like yeah. I'm good. I remember him releasing one that was five and a half hours and it was at star wars or something but it was it was it was one take there are no cuts. There were no breaks. It's yeah it was it was it was star wars. We have it was movie. Regan review. We did <hes> to episodes of it. We did one that was like the prequel trilogy and one that was a sequel trilogy and that's when we began it was <hes> died myself blanchard kevin then you have and we were off these halfway through we lost attention and mike was like being dead serious like everything and like trying to push through the wikipedia page and whether it's because we've had to had to end at exactly five hours twenty four minutes and thirty eight seconds because there's some i didn't meeting in that forum. I don't take it was. I don't think it was that reasoning of that. One i think just the the conversation conversation genuinely who is going through that long on the episodes when in actuality they probably should have been either a cut for time <unk> trimmed down mm drastically or worse greeted by items you go thirty minute hard hard limit per movie and you can just say we are approaching five minutes for this. What else do you have to say about it what we've done that with some things like you know the top one hundred will have our say on that character and then kind of move on as thirty minutes on one character but it would. I mean we were still learning at the time but at the same time we get so bored we were sitting there making fun of amman on facebook book of i'd gone somewhere somewhere. There's a catalog of that. I just don't have that conversation. I remember what happened because because he's like. What are you guys doing because we were not even paying attention because we're like going on in the background and we're just laughing. He's like what is so frigging funny just losing it and then. I don't think i made it through like. I've i've listened to a podcast that i listen to on the well not in the regular. It's a monthly podcast because some people still do that where it's only one show a month and what they'll do. It's was the retro gaming round up. They've been doing all. I think there are ten years now too and they have different segments like one guy that works for them. I think he works for nasa. <hes> as an engineer at some point or something sounds like a real hick from the south but at like you know sound voices can be this evening. Volatility is <hes> <hes> but they have different segments where it's like. It's like five hours but they have chapter breaks and you can actually see it's like oh. If you wanna listen to <hes> forty five minutes they'll have on hardware on how to repair a pinball machine or how to prepare a certain computer and they'll have four minutes and then you can jump to another spot. That's like here's our top top ten roundtable on this type of thing gaming and then you can jump forward and they'll have twelve or thirteen chapters and it'll be a five five and a half hour podcast has released on the first of the month every month and i do like having those too and that might take me a week to get through but i still look forward to and that's something you can't do on radio and that's something that like you said mike the radio stations aren't taking advantage of is the ability to have free form from conversations are long form things that you can you could do fourteen our podcast a month. If you really wanted to and put chapter stops somebody can just click a button and jumped wherever they want one one of the things that i've noticed it was a feature on itunes. I think it still is when you when you i guess you just meant. They talk about doing chapter stops. I find a a lot of podcasts. Don't take advantage of that me as it's the vast majority of them upload an MP three format which doesn't support it so some people do it for compatibility yeah which is fine the platform that we use auto does. MP three and i don't believe there's an option to do anything else. No oh i would have been there. There is an option when you go to to edit the you can add with that will only converters on their website or app. It doesn't work like you did it for the first time we used speaker but it's not useful full to ninety nine percent people that won't be listening through that method so it's no point in doing it unless it's the only way to listen in majority of the platform so don't support a c which allows you to do that. Yeah it's like it's basically only i tunes does it and if we had not moved to a podcast hosting platform and we had still been doing everything the old fashioned way that you guys have done for eleven years <hes> we i v last before we switched dover when i when mike when you were in the hospital and i was running stuff <hes> i was doing everything in AC and i was putting chapters thompson and we're hosting on the site so yeah there there is probably fifteen episodes that have chapter stops and then when we switched over it was like this is a lot of work if it's only gonna work on one platform and see there was only one person on the radio network that ever ever did. AC in that was michael powers in he did a few <hes> <hes> off off-the-cuff in he was trying it out messing around with it but at the same time the amount of work that has to go into that compared to an emmy granted. It's not that difficult. If if you're sitting there mitt in taking time stamps of win the conversation switches <hes> ahead of time and then you just kinda market in in when you're doing the editing editing but it's again majority of the platforms don't support it other than apple doesn't make sense it would be nice if when you like if if if we did it through our hosting platform and then if it would do it for <hes> like modify if if it had a generic thing where could just let it let it no now the way around that i've found is that lake that long retro gaming roundup that i listened to which by the way i highly recommended. I really like that. It's a a couple of british disguise in an american that that run it. What they've done is in their episode description. They actually have the time stamp so you can manually go to it if you for any any platform that doesn't have a quick jump to button an- our shows are generally speaking about an hour to an hour and a half long. There's no point in putting chapter stops for that. I personally i mean this is coming from my background in radio anything longer than an hour and a half and you really risk tiring out the listener but wouldn't then you gotta remember from that. Mike is there are. I'm willing to bet <hes> seventy five percent or more people that don't listen to it in one yeah yeah i mean i'm just coming from the broadcast point of view view not from the podcasters yeah because if you look at a pure podcasting view the top ten twenty podcasts in the world are all generally generally three hours or longer which is to me nuts. I mean the the longest podcast i listen to is at most two hours and that's kevin smith's fatman on batman because it never has a hard limit whereas hamas that rogan because he rogan stuff you know i don't always listen to the fight companions canyons because it's just the following a fight but the guests that he has on his range anywhere from two hours to five hours and it literally is where does the conversation precision go. And how much time do they have. They've run out of time to talk. Even though the the conversation has been so good they wanted to go longer and that's the advantage of podcasting is and that's why he's he's getting fifty million good interviewer like it like the questions and the answers out of people he'll have he'll have an expert expert on bitcoin on and then two days later he'll have a fighter on and then two days later have a comedian on and or he'll he'll do one and he'll he'll get somebody on that was slake just destroyed on twitter over something that happened and he'll get like their end of the story from where maybe big media wouldn't touch the person with a ten foot pole whole he gives people a platform to speak but he also is willing to call people out in their bullshit so you know i think a lot of people have gone to using his style of podcast broadcaster when their celebrity having people on and that's led the lengths to be longer the longer the length of more spots you have thrown ads as well so you'll get these guys that have for our podcast but the reason it's four hours instead of two hours because they wanna fit twice as many ads or they or they'll be like hey it. It's always sounds better. Uh if i have a three hour podcast <hes> <hes> that has a million listeners than to our podcast that does for <hes> for potential <hes> leg sponsorships the crap and i think it's it's gotten a little to monetize and that because of that it's become so competitive with that like you don't even have like dynamic add insertions for as many of those larger ones anymore because they're just paying them straight up to read scripts. <hes> you know the ad reads and average a cool some some especially when he's like rogan that can basically say whatever he wants or listen to listen to some of the wrestler ones and i like it when they get the freedom to see their ad basically in their own words and they can make get hilarious especially if the company has that sense of humor will let them run with it if they get a little vulgar but to many other podcasts out there they read it like they're reading a script and you can tell that they're not interested that that's not good for the for the ad company. It's also not good for the listener because they know they're being read. All here's the the ad had i gotta read if you're gonna have ads at least trying to and they're not going to be dynamically inserted where you don't have control at least trying to make it sound natural interested in other other things that is different about podcasting now especially in two thousand nine hundred thousand is the overwhelming and frankly dreaming him out of patriots fans that are out there. Now i know me and steve talked about this a while ago and it's frankly exhausting exhausting like i see a youtubers doing which is fine and podcasters do it too which is fine. If that's how your listeners choose to support what you here's here's what it comes down to some people not everybody is going to make and i think people have a hard time accepting the terms with sometimes you're just never going to be good enough to make this your living the normally and there they go to patriots pedram because they've seen people be successful. They hope they hope they're going to be like some people who can magically get money and not actually produce anything and i think everybody knows who i'm talking about. <hes> there are people all every knows at least one or two people that are like that that they're just like. How are they still making money. They don't do anything but that's the exception not the norm. The norm is people get a dollar or nothing they'll they'll they'll do this patriot in the half and that person and giving them their dollar. They'll have to give whatever it is like. It's one thing to take donations inhabit donation button. Hey help keep us running. That's one thing it's another expect random people to give you money direct for stuff that you should not expect act money for you shouldn't expect money for making videos or making audio. You should only expect money when you're working for a corporation that way if you are so incredibly good and you have such an incredibly huge following yes but if you're somebody who's getting like twenty five listeners what business do you have having a patriot yeah i mean it's not like it's a joe rogan or a howard stern or something like that and he doesn't have that they can has he yeah well. I mean this yeah. They say they have roughly eleven million listeners or whatever makes somewhere between yeah yeah something like that but the subscription model only works for bigger podcasters. It doesn't work hasn't worked for the one description model title either he does any of his is unique in that he doesn't putting the ads in the middle of the show he reads all his ad reads in the first five minutes and that's it so you can get so huge that you can do that the larger ones you know. They'll try to do the premium thing where it's like some extra stuff here or the the worst ones are when they do like. Let's it's having interaction. Ask us questions but will only answer them on patriots or they'll have <hes> ones where it's like where the main show show that they have out there in the public is so riddled with ads. I've listened to a few ones that are like from again wrestling. I listened to a lot of like wrestling news ones where they're like. Every three to four minutes is added insert and it'll be a two hour news podcast that has twenty five ads. It's like if you want to get rid of the ads. You know pay four dollars a month a how 'bout screw you. I'll never listen again yeah yeah. We see if i can find it. <hes> there's a company <hes>. It's called super cast. I don't know if you've heard of them. Nope anyways. I just can't win to this like earlier this week. In the funny thing is is <hes> is the joke on their website is enough with the mundy's ads but basically it's. It's it's a subscriber only content <hes> type saying for podcasters much like patriot but without all the extra crap and but at the same time i don't i think that this kind of plays into that whole a subscription feed fatigue late. I don't think you know when when you have so much content consume you know i'm not saying that people don't want to support their <unk> favorites. You know programs or whatever donates money here or there but i don't think they wanna pay subscription plan to keep listening i. I think that that's that's pretty much going towards you know your disney plus your nets lecture hulu amazon prime and things like that that you're getting that arrowhead like let's be honest like sirius. XM that's dead like it's not servive there. If you listen to podcasts advertising now they're pushing a lot of money into that. Why would the reason you paid for was to get stern and people because they would get celebrities and famous people on every famous person has podcast and guess what they invite all their friends for free so yes and guess what else they do they can have their own platform and then they can own it and then get all the money now have to spend it on all these different things you have ones out there that don't even do ad reads that these are rich people that do it like comedians and they'll do it as <hes> advertising for their shows basically so the only add. You're going to get her where they're going to be next week for tour. It's great. They don't have to go on on local local radio to promote their stuff. They have their bilton fan base. They promoted on twitter on there and then they're not beholden to any shareholders so they can say whatever they want. No matter how crass or off color color it is they can say what they want and if they lose subscribers it's on them. They don't have anybody to have to be paying off or have to deliver a certain deliverable. To which is you know. The reason people went to satellite radio in the first place. The subscription model was it's like pay cable. You can say whatever you want while the reality was you couldn't say anything you want because look what happened to open anthony. You couldn't say anything you could say a lot more than you could on the radio but you can say anything and then what ends up happening they end up starting their own podcasting networks and and they get just as many if not more subscribers because they have the freedom of saying absolutely anything you can say anything you wanna podcast because the true freedom of speech it could be. There's people have hate speech podcasts out there and they're not being shut down because they're allowed to say what they want because nobody forces you to listen and they're not gonna have nearly the same listenership that might have like three crazy people. Listen to them and believe what they say. They have the freedom to say what they want and you're not gonna get that anytime where you're working for a big corporation or trying to aim for that you know big audience that used to be on radio thing is nobody sits down and listened to live radio and the only one that does you. You're gonna listen to you like it's like you have connections because you know people but joe schmo does not listen to the radio radio. I haven't listened to the radio years like i listen to the radio when i have no other podcast listen to and i still want to have something on the background but with the avenue spotify there's no point unless there's a specific radio host radio show you like listening to i know like my mother doesn't listen to the radio but she likes the drawn test. Show <hes> or the alice cooper syndicated show there are certain things you'll listen to for specific show but guess what usually a day or two after the air they show up as a podcast awed cast now with the exact same thing with any of the ads so like there really isn't a point to listen to most of them unless you want to like you can still win concert tickets and stuff from real radio which you can't really do for most podcast because the live aspect of it yeah and i'm kind of the the mentality of yes. I'd like to make a ton off of this. Don't get me wrong but i'm also not going to go to all that putting advertisement all over the place like yes. I've dynamic ad insertion but i'm not gonna say you want the responsibility. Thanks so let's say you do make huge you want that responsibility because people in podcast because the internet has fundamentally changed the social fabric fabric of basically society look at keep me and alex. We're talking about this in a private conversation nation a little while ago look at cancel culture something you said ten years ago you might as well have said ten minutes ago it can destroy you. I've always i see i don't care. I've always been even like on the internet in two thousand and one. I never said anything anything online that i wasn't willing to say somebody's face and if i say something foggier across or collar that's exactly how i would say in person <hes> so i'm not i don't go out there. I've never ever gone on. Somebody's like video made a comment where it's like you. See all those like you should just kill yourself or you should do this or where you make a racist comment. I've never done that because it's not something i would ever do in person or just do because it's not it's not the person i am so don't say anything online that you're not willing to say to my face and i like listening to podcasts you know all across the spectrum from like super family friendly stuff to super super crazy vulgar off color stuff and i. I'm perfectly fine with listening to it and i liked there. They all have audiences now. The problem with cancel cultures people get so paranoid. They're afraid to say anything and then you're censoring yourself when it's like oh all lose money on this like you know what the only way to stop that is to just keep is not to go further but like don't change anything about what you do and people will simmer down at the <hes> because people get outraged over nothing now or make things out of people make campaigns pains to shut people down out of nothing because they feel they want the attention and they want. They wanna feel that they've done something that everybody likes. I am i am a champion for this. I am this is shut down and this was horrible. I'm the one that did it. That's that's insignificant thinking and it's going to boil over. These things have ebbs and flows and i'm not i'm not apologizing for anything. I basically said because it's my opinion. I just think i think cancer culture is going to get worse this year and into next year. There's there's gonna be a bring. Someone very big say something and it's good to be huge and i don't know how it's going to end like. I've seen a lot of youtubers careers. Effectively get killed that try and come back and it doesn't work out so well for them and you trend on twitter and it's funny back back in the day. Trending on twitter was good and you turn on twitter now. You're either dead your controversy or your marvel movie. It's one of those couple reasons nations and peoples. AO blame the millennials. It's it's it's a bit of everything it's not like because millennial is such a wide term you know like it's anybody born after one thousand nine hundred no not really because people born between nineteen eighty and let's say nineteen ninety three ninety four are vastly different in how they think how the grew up and how how the are then people born. Let's say ninety five to two thousand onward. <hes> you know like wh if the way basically look at it as do you remember a time before the internet if you do i don't believe you should be in the same category as people that grew up not knowing anything but a connected world and there's been a lot of changes socially <hes> in schools in the way people parent <hes> the discipline is different. <hes> just the people's world views on morality reality is different and everybody now i feel is hyper sensitive to and it's part of it's been trained like you do school shooting drills you do these drills you sensitivity training and it's almost like you've done to the kids that are young so much over the top that they don't know how to function function how to let things slide off like we all had to learn very young to either not thicker skin not to accept when you like not to accept bullying or anything but you learn when to pick your fights and what's worth it what you know what people don't measure what good will come some of this of what they say anymore when they try to tear somebody apart <hes> an and that's not coming down against any movement or or any one individual ritual thing is just think about what you're going to save before you say and think of what ramifications it will have and if you're still having that happen you know think about what good will happen from if it's only going to cause more trouble what's the point in doing it. If the outcome isn't going to be good there is no good outcome from you know having a twitter meltdown yeah basically know when to walk away from the keyboard. I mean one of the things i've definitely it's interesting now more so than any other time in history we're seeing a cultural and technological shift and i don't know which way it's going to go. Are we going to enter a new era of hopefully enlightenment and acceptance and whatnot they'll be social progress on the other your hand. This could go south. Oh so very easily because people are dumb panicky stupid creatures and the movie says you no it so i don't know how it's going to end up in especially with social media and podcasting being so closely linked together. Hell there was a story. I saw this week. This is playing more paranoid fear and than anything else someone someone used the the deep fake technology to sound like someone's voice like like a company and scammed company out of like half a million dollars. I think that technological based crimes are going to have to be crackdown heart and what i mean by that is i don't mean like capital punishment or anything but like doing like identity fraud like that should be like oh guess what what you have twenty years in prison like hard labor prison like you've got to like. It's like don't even attempt that unless you have somehow no you can get away with it because doing it as doing the culture of doing it for the lulls seems to be a big thing the whole swat in all that it's like. It's like if you if you if somebody's swats like there's that one guy that i think he just got twenty years for for the swatting incident where they ended up killing the guy's dad or something or killing a dog down a heart attack and all this <hes> that case like i was too i think it was two cases of swatting i think just twenty years and this guy looks like a wimpy wimpy weakling. You know in sell whatever you wanna say not going to do well in prison. I'll tell you that the tough culture you're not going to do well in and that those kinds of sentences of twenty years or what you're going to have to do and it's and it's going to have to be. It's gonna be something that scares you into not wanting to do it because i think a lot of it like it's. I'm not somebody who advocates spanking their kids. I'm not somebody who's going to say. You should never spank your kids. I feel like a lot the people when you hear about these a lot of the school shooters and a lot of people <hes> do the swatting and all this and people have these you know obviously sociopathic tendencies you hear about their family life and a lot of it is like new age parents. I'm saying in quotes that you know we didn't believe in discipline. We would just talk it out with them. They didn't get punished punished like well didn't. They didn't have boundaries set so they think it's funny to do something like this because oh it's no big deal i i don't get in trouble anyway and then the police come in they taken away and then they're like what do you mean it because they'd never the concept of punishment doesn't exist for a lot of people or the concept of of self discipline doesn't exist anymore in the same capacity like people like people people need to learn to control themselves more than than what there is another thing that i wanted to talk about and this is definitely as youtube in in podcasting is basically media has grown one thing i do not like in particular and i don't see a lot of podcasts that do it. I see this more as kinda youtube things so i guess it kind of goes into the ground. A podcast can also be visual as well. I hate youtube drama channels. I don't get the point of their existence and i'm keeping i'm not gonna mention names for crisis crisis. I don't want their armies those i can. I can't name them but i see them. Pop up on my feet when i i don't like it when somebody has a bunch of regular blogs youtube channel and then the cover one particular topic and that one gets a ton of us for whatever the algorithm is where it was a popular video and they changed their entire channel to be talking shit about one particular issue <hes>. There's this guy from the south. Every single video pops up on my feet because i watch a lot of gaming news videos. Every video is just stories about how terrible will game stop is and it's like that's your entire life every day of the week. You make a different video game. Stop is because you want to just get the views not right because you have any integrity or anything good to sail the algorithm. That'd be like me just complaining about comcast all the time like i used to do on life blakich literally had let's say you had <hes> an average of a couple hundred views and you got one video that had ten thousand. You're like well. Guess what a- all i'm talking about is this. My integrity doesn't have to exist. I'm just going to talk about this forever and ever and ever there will be consequences stages. You'll you'll say something you'll say something that is a falsehood and you'll get picked up by a lawyer somewhere for planter when it could be just that one episode resonated really well with people with what you said it it. It's a fluke doesn't mean it's a repeat yeah. There's actually a channel all that. I know mike and i both watch he said don't name names right so we both watch it daily gaming news there is far far far too much coverage of <hes> like anthem fucking up or which or <hes> like it's too too much coverage anthem like two or three games or game companies where it's like every day. It's a story about a don't care. It's not important. It's like it's like oh. This is if you're scrambling for just that story. It just slow news. You don't need you do not need daily coverage. There's not enough coverage for that or find something else. Find into fluff piece to talk about. You don't need to only have like cover these things with the same negative tone every time or try to make a joke. It's not it's. It's not a funny running gag as they try to play it off. It's like all skip it. I don't even want to listen to it because like who cares because you and every other news media site is going to say the same thing. Give me something interesting. No i totally agree like one one of the things i don't like about youtube. Drama channels is particularly how they make their living off of other people's misery and when i got in the podcasting it wasn't like this it really wasn't and some of the biggest youtube drama channels have their fan bases can be quite rabid quite ravenous and they're willing to die you. They're willing to swat you. As alex sosa simply input virgo lulls they'll do it. You know where you can really trace a lot of this to you know when when the rise of like evita that guy with the glasses all the reviewer that were copying that mold when channel started popping up where they would just review the reviewers. I was like well that it's not meadow or funny. It's like that's boring when you're having somebody whose entire channel is aggregating other people's other reviewers and then critiquing their personal lives or or trying to dig in and say this person or that person copy that pers- drumming up there doesn't need to be there. Your content is invalid doesn't do exist but the problem is that then spawned all these drama the channels into other categories and you can trace that back about ten years brings up an interesting point there to talk about critiquing the the creators there are far too many people in this industry that have gone a frigging ego and there are far too many the enemies there are far too many people that i've just made content creation miserable for one another way obviously there there is competition chechen a healthy competitions a good thing but it's gotten to the point where it's miserable out there at times times and i know it's hard to get noticed as a small person but like i said earlier in this conversation. Do you really want to we call. We call those midgets agents. We don't call them all persons or is it a sorry. It's like i don't know like is it worth the public pressure because if you do in quote unquote make it on the internet you now held to ridiculous standard which is really really strange like me. I think i talked about this again without. I think we were talking about this privately. <hes> this isn't the internet of two thousand and four or nineteen ninety nine or even one thousand nine hundred seven. No there were very distinct eras that you had the bulletin board college and university system from like heat five to ninety years and you had proto internet and that that sort of trickled into route ninety three then you have what i would call baby internet which was the wild west from about ninety two to ninety seven. Maybe ninety eight where it was like like truly the wild west like ninety ninety eight ninety nine like there wasn't a piece of software in existence that you can just grab off of the whereas sites oh all man i've forgotten and some of those sites still exist and people don't take them down because they forgot about them like used to be able to before the day's a torrent and everything you would you just go to one of those sites and sometimes they had viruses sometimes they didn't but you could just grab anything he wanted to. It was the wild wild west. There was no pay powell. There was no oh you you wanted to pay with a credit card sure it's probably going to get stolen like before literally before amazon and before ebay and even <hes> even remember do you remember back then when ebay would let you pay and then it would have a button that says array not payment and the range could mean mail them cash yeah or in canada until two thousand and four you could use canadian tire money and maintenance which was like which canadian tire money <hes> for stephen the american listeners entire is like a hardware slash. <hes> you buy your bicycles there. You can buy camping camping gear and you can buy barbecues and more specialized target. It's like yeah. It's it's like a hardware store slash outdoorsman store and is really popular and they have their own gas stations everything well when you pay you get like five percent of what you five percent of your bill you get back back in these dollar bills from them that are like five cent pennies nickels so you've got basically like a loyalty program and people somebody's was hold onto like forty fifty dollars hour's worth and use it for something well you could use that as a form of payment that was illegal version of payment on on ebay until they <hes> universally went with using pay pal for everything everything so like there was it was the wild west and there there was craziness going on <hes> and then around ninety nine <hes> we you get high speed internet pretty much across canada from rogers. I don't even know if bell was offering. I think bell was still do they have ideas ellen ninety nine okay well. I had a friend who had rogers internet which was three megabits service. Three megabit insanely fast compared to fifty six okay like you could download an entire super nintendo game in one second whereas it take twenty five minutes to download a rom file back then which back then no kids even really knew. You didn't know if it was that it was legal. It was on a website. You can click download it and it was in that gray area anyway. It's like i'm playing back the game so so there was a sense of wonder and discovery from ninety ninety eight two thousand and one i would say maybe nine ninety eight to two thousand one where the search engine more still happening where not like google didn't find everything you've got to have aww web crawler or if you're smart use web crawler where it would use like ten or fifteen search engines to find results it would cross reference them and it would take like two the three minutes just to get your result sometimes. If it was a large enough search you had the free internet worse through net zero excite everybody where you could get like oh. This has twenty hours a month a free internet download ten fifteen different installers and you'd have ten or fifteen companies. It'd be like okay well monday tuesday wednesday. I'm gonna use this free internet. <hes> thursday friday saturday. I'll use this one and you would cycle through for the month whoever you could give you the most internet for free and you know that was necessary was last one. They're the only one that survived and even then they've actually died so like we were if you grew up in that that time period you were pioneers of what became the the truly connected internet and web forums were still there. IRC has been around since the eighties so there were there still things. It wasn't really until number one web. Two point zero was being touted as the thing around two thousand and one two thousand two and for anybody. There's no what what that is the ability to give comments on websites. That's what destroyed everything because before that member web web one point zero was all about having <hes> inline frames you know how the left hand side of your screen would be a section of a screen and you can have things loading in the center of the screen so he basically always had your you had your main page and they say now. It's all done dynamically through. PHP and everything right but it was all about making sure you had to had to comply to the web standards because not every browser would work with that or people that had browser tricks to make things operate differently. There were secret websites within websites. There were scavenger hunts. There was a whole lot of crazy stuff happening in in that time period and it all came to a crashing halt when web two point oh came out and it was like week somebody can put on a news article and i can make a comment back and forth it was like the concept concept of merging a conversation web form like a web forum slash. IRC chat into website because remember every single website had a chat feature right around then even if it didn't need one and everything had a guestbook if we search somewhere on free webs and on geo cities i probably still have something archive because in high school around two thousand and two thousand three we in my class. Everybody had their own website. It was my website and at the bottom of it. Here's here's a website ring of all my friends and you can click on all your friends and you'd would have pages about your friends about your favorite things and you to keep your blog on their unless you unless you unless you had a live journal because you were a <hes>. MO journal before heading my space because you're modish child yeah and i mean i didn't have ICQ because i was young i had <hes> you <hes> but we it was. You can pinpoint when everything went to crap. You never really heard about high school kids having suicides or major crazy depression where they had to leave school or crazy bullying until the advent of two applications yahoo and microsoft messenger once they came out it wants everybody was sharing their in group chats with everybody the anonymity of being able to just poke fun at somebody online instantly started to happen and and it wasn't until you can interact because when you had to make your own website you only really gave the link to your friends and it would sometimes be on there if you had a fan site for something but even then they took a lot more effort to go and like write something on your guest book than it did to instantly. Send you a message trolling you so i feel like two thousand four. Two thousand five is when this stuff certain really happening like there. There used to be chat apps at this in the schools. There was a it was called <hes> land school up here and it was a china that was used primarily the idea was you could chat with friends or or chat with your fellow students to help get tips on things well basically you know. They end up having to cancel that they had been out for years. They had to cancel the year that i was at the school and that was school board wide because we used to share <hes> video games lake through the school and like shit talk the teachers and and do all sorts of stuff like we installed quake three on the school server when they were doing a server update so that every time the computer is restarted we could access quake three that i mean there was a there was a thing it was a microsoft program would have been about late nineties early the two thousand and it was called. MS comic chat and it would appear as three strip comic book panel and you would chat with people via these is colleague book avatars jeremiah with a thing you talked via your avatar and it was similar to yahoo and there were other ones the there was that but i don't know like forum still exist and still exist highly specialized yeah because i think. MSN's shut down their generic chat rooms a couple of years ago and that was the end of the regular chats and the reason i brought up the comic book chat because it was the funniest thing i've ever seen in my life you'd have all these chat rooms from all across the world like US canada england australia wherever right and nineveh kind of a ten the first question someone would ask is ASL age sex location okay fine. That's pretty standard. The amount of times people would immediately start in the cyber or sexting was whole larry's i would always broken doc id anguish so you end up with the most unintentionally hilarious sexy i remember ailing myself laughing because i would troll these people in and that was the thing like if you looked and it was like that even until like MSN everything stopped the vast majority of people sexting were over in like the middle eastern europe trying to contact people in the states and canada you remember any of those conversations overseas i wish i could but it was just really bad broken english and it was always like you sexy lady no man. I'm a dude. Thanks you would never talk to somebody like that and even if you did. That's asking for a one in a cosmological logical chance that somebody's gonna reciprocate that oh okay so my school ooh well. We were fairly ahead of the curve in that. We had a lot of tech savvy people because <hes> being in the tech trying basically we're in silicon valley can here here for instance. The internet like in quotes. The internet was tested here. The very first email was ever made and sent with centrum university waterloo here so like we had that pedigree so a lot of the students here you know their their parents worked for these big companies like walk calm and blackberry and everything well we had a secret website that wasn't purposely wasn't listed on <hes> like the alexa rankings. You couldn't search for it you just it was brown castle dot dot net. That's been shut down. I find since two thousand seven but it was two thousand five two thousand six. I was in my final year of school. It was basically where everybody from my my school and the other schools in the region would hang out you signed up you had to prove you're basically you had to prove your student by <hes> <hes> somebody else that vouch for us that was sort of the way to get in but they were like five hundred users six hundred years and we're active all day and it will be posting things like what are the answers to this week's test or it would be like it was like full on like sharing academic stuff bad talking teachers which teachers a drunk which was hot that sort of stuff but and or proto stages of this like before youtube so it'd be like sharing real media are MVP files real media variable bit rate files or morello's video files <hes> of like chuck norris clips and or random porn and different things that would pop up or weird <hes> <hes> people would like data mine <hes> new grounds and e bombs world and like get videos before they were posted on the official site. They would take it from the server would have it. I i <hes> and then somehow word got out the website existed and there was some academic cheating going on there which is very little compared to the rest and remember the school board issuing a statement. If you're brown counseled lovely you can be kicked out of school turns out you could they just saying that stuff but found found out later on that's around the time they shut down organically when most of us graduated but other schools in other regions they started doing stuff like that having their own through websites and that's how people started really bullying people is through like you know secret societies or secret websites that sort of stuff and that's something that could only really exist in that timeframe and then fast forward everything current internet web three point. If you wanted to call it is anything post facebook in my space when my space died in facebook took over the internet was never the same especially when youtube came after that too and then and twitter their worst someone's that were like twitter though i can't remember any of them that's how memorable they're basically when the micro blog took took over and hell you get harassed via hashtag and then everybody in the world can get at you. They even need to know your name. All the hashtag douche facebook facebook will never die. Even though the controversy there are just too big now they'll be a husk of what they once were young people might not flock to but it's always going to be like there are people that view facebook as the internet like oh. That's the main site for the internet. Even though it's not like people don't don't there are people that don't realize that the internet is a main site but they think of facebook or youtube as the net twitter condi- levine died and tick tock basically took took over the same thing. You'll you'll see you'll see things. Come and go instagram tumbler. They will go. There are certain things that are so ingrained that they we'll stay forever. IRC chat will never go away just because based on design and if it's if IRC chad has not gone away in thirty five years it never will same with bulletin board like basic basic the forums there are some website forms of running for twenty five years. They're still gonna be there forever. Read it is a service that will never go away just bydesign what it is. There's a few others that was dig gone stumble on when went away. That's gone <hes> get glues gone a lot of other social experiment type ones <hes> have come and gone tumblers dying tumbling walk by wordpress so you might see some kind of not going to do well. They're bought it for the they bought it for. The tech probably won't survive in its current state <hes> other big websites will come and go like amazon can't ever go. It's too big. <hes> ebay can ever go to big <hes> craigslist. I'm surprised to exists. We have kaji does the same thing. Basically there are things that there are things that fall by the wayside but there are certain staples that that can really never go away people like you people get shut down. It's like now. It doesn't matter how much money youtube where as i say potentially lost money. They'll never shut down it. Just can't it's just it's too immensely too much of the world's economy in marketing and just economy in general is tied into how amazon in youtube facebook and by lesser extent twitter exists elections have been shaped by it news is disseminated and yeah but i'm talking like if you if you shut down four or five of those sites if you shut down the five most access websites in the world i mean shut down permanently. You could crash the world economy so you know when people say oh. That's it facebook has done. That's it youtube youtube still not making a dime. It doesn't matter it it they they exist for the traffic and for the demographic information and that's something that only existed after the third major wave of the internet came about which is fifteen years ago when web two point forming like you don't you don't see on websites anymore our compliance anything because computers are so fast that even if a websites coated improperly it'll still run run slow but do you remember back in the day steve going onto websites and then being like this little badge of the bottom this website is proudly adheres to the HTML standard and they would have or would be like this w three c W3C HD and that's what we learned in school. If you were taking web design it was HTML three four the HTML five. Don't bother with at that's too much of a loose standard actually certify HTML four point one yup and i'm certified in x. HTML one <hes> one point one strict and then there was you had to have a you were told every good website should have an indicator of what is on the site so it'd be like there'd be CSS flag there'd be an extra mill de HTML for dynamic pages. There's the only ones that still use it. Our educational sites that have <hes> was that standard that was for screenwriting being would have like script writing on the screen and pen support. It's another one from W3C but like the if you go to a website that that is from one of does that appears to one of those strict standards it loads instantly and never end uses like no ram but web design programs and everything now that everything that we were told not to do in school is what's done now. It's all about how the website looks not how it functions and i feel like we're getting to an age where if they keep down this path with with poorly coded peach sites or and all this crap we're going to get to a point where feels like the topic future where like ads pop up everywhere and nothing worked when you looked at the nineties and they they showed like visions of the future and you go website and there's a zillion ads all over it. That's what we're at now. It's almost like the internet has been degrading back to gio cities level in the last three months pretty much especially if they're not using lake it's five or wordpress. I mean if five is now like you know ten twelve years ago it was like oh god. That's it's loosey-goosey web. Computers can't run it. Well computers could run the dynamic content when we were all in school and using penny ones and twos and pentium threes where were rent for the pentium threes and fours were only used the art art classes when you consider that your phone is like one hundred times faster than the computers using school but HTML five does give you the option talk to us like completely open source video like everything on there's free. There's no paid licenses. It's just everybody tries to copy every website so everybody looks the same now i can't stand when you go to a news website and there's like five hundred thousand ads before you can even get to the comments section listen if they even have one or the all us what was discussed or whatever garbage bogs down slow and it's so vulnerable and and you have to use your real name which which i i understand the idea of using a really but everything is connected through facebook connect through twitter connect through this connects so that's why i was saying that everything is so tied together and web three point. Oh it's like you're basically tied into five different accounts easier apple account your google account your facebook account your twitter account account or magically you. Could maybe use your actual email. That's the end of my rant on on the internet so anyways. I think that about rounds this episode up sue turtle yet. If you yes enjoyed hey this episode and you'd like to hear other interesting topics in the next one story for renting disturbing frig horb movie. I didn't go into every detail because <hes> david kerley clean clean. That's your idea now. It involved a lot more. Tell you off air so anyways. Thank you as always for listening to ultra geek. I've been your host steve. Steve phillips along with mike the birdman don and alex what are your social media's five online as always and at all <music> hours at birdman dot on twitter moss available on facebook or mike at this we can get that if you prefer email like that old communication asian style so yeah look for me hovercraft full of eels in and you can find the <hes> find me on those websites. 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Geeks Getting Old, Anti-Nostalgia & Star Trek: Picard

Altered Geek

48:32 min | 1 year ago

Geeks Getting Old, Anti-Nostalgia & Star Trek: Picard

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Something like that and I think this is going week three that this is released but it's a monumental time because <hes> the podcast has been around seven years really yeah. It's too late like a week earlier than A._T._M.. Yeah which is which is funny though Yeah we'll eastern twenty thirteen the podcast I started the video show in two thousand twelve <hes> in that it just kind of sat dormant for like a year get to old navy for the biggest sale of the year up to sixty percent off all back to school styles for kids and baby get flipflops for two bucks graphic tees for four box shorts for six dollars and jeans for eight dollars right now. Get the best kid styles at kid sized prices. Just two four six eight dollars can't wait to wear it buy online line and pick up in store free today up to sixty percent off all kids and baby styles now at old navy and old Navy Dot Com valid seven twenty nine eight eleven select styles excludes in store for clearance after three episodes and then I was like what do I do with this name in the night. I was like Oh a podcast. Actually it was powers that was like hey turn it into a podcast started off as cast radio unplugged in that it morphed into altered geek unplugged and then to unlimited to alter geek because it just sounds cooler than it shorter so yeah it's it's been crazy in a you know since we're talking about you know timeframes and everything else. I was going through when I mentioned this to you off hear that there is the website kind of look stagnant yeah with some of the content and I was like <hes> when he now it is a little stagnant and so I went the route of <hes> looking at old Geek cast radio layouts on archive dot org and I was like okay I went through every iteration and discovered versions that I liked that I didn't like and then pieces from each one that I liked and didn't like and of course I I love the current design the site but it would say that are most successful version was when we were <hes> on version three yep which was right around the five year mark pretty much yeah and then we got the a huge theme after that it worked okay to begin with mostly it didn't work because it was bootleg the theme that's what the menu had all kinds of glitched issues then we switched to a number of themes throughout that some some of them. I'd totally forgotten that we'd gotten as a theme for the site and they were terrible but it looked version one and two and I was like okay I get it. You know. Some of the stuff works didn't a lot of it's just very basic in in that was sufficient for that time and and then looking it'd be three. I'm like okay. I got more graphical whether it some of it was automated some of it not but it did take some elements from V.. Three namely the way that the the slider and the interviews thing at the top is set up <hes> and then of course the latest content how it drops down which which I took from there in the two categories and archives thing on the sidebar because I was like okay those those things were kind of useful in the old one and it just was better to be streamlined into trying to. Oh what category do I need to go to the website today and yeah just too busy whereas this I think is a lot more streamlined. You get your recent posts. You'd get get your interviews podcasts and then it goes to you know some of the latest articles but then which that section will probably change not GonNa lie hype that just strictly articles for the moment and then there's latest content which is pretty much. Everything little bitter seed but you know it's it's not horrible. I do love the blast from the past section. Having some things just randomly show up you can <unk> actively see and some of this stuff now the <hes> whether people have commented on it about the comments back to the main page donating support back back to the main page so yeah there's there's a little bit of everything coming back <hes> little by little to the the the main page for sure her and it's like I said it was an adventure to go through the old versions of the site in kind of decide. You know what sucked in I I will never do again and and what things were like. Okay you know it's it's it's good the the new version like. I don't need to revisit this said content <hes> so oh yeah it was it was cool and some of the images to believe it or not like the donate with pay pal thing. I could not find them. Oh No <hes> the funny thing was is I pulled it off air dot org and it was like I designed this once upon a time here we go slapping up and it works again mm-hmm and then the the looking for partnership thing the joined the network thing when you click on any of the posts it'll take you internally and it'll show you the recent posts that the recent comments looking for partnership join the network. I created that new because honestly be able to look like garbage. I couldn't find the one I made like a year or two ago and I didn't really want to spend the time to find it so <hes> and then I put the twitter facebook instagram on their <hes> on the sidebar but other than that you will find zero zero ads. I cleaned them all off yeah. I wasn't going to cater to that garbage anymore. I still will try and get all this yeah the funny thing about the ads in this that in whatever even the podcast ads that we end up putting in or sometimes I end up forgetting to do you and ends up cutting off like within a minute of the show starting and playing a second hand I don't. I don't think we've ever seen any actual cash from any of that stuff like having the ads on the website basically did nothing other than take up space. The ads on the website did ZIP UH literally. I think we got one thing. One time from one of the in podcast reads that we did <hes> honestly personally I find. I don't care who's doing it. I don't care what like you know me and most of the listeners know that I I gravitate towards certain voices and then I separate myself from certain voices if I don't like how the voice sounds. I don't care what voices reading in in podcast cast out. If I start reading about hey you should really go check out Amazon Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah for Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. I find that so fake in Salt Lake it takes a way for my enjoyment of what I'm listening to. It depends on if the host is passionate about whatever they're peddling. That's that's that's the difference if you can tell like that. They're clearly just pushing an ad because they have to. There's a difference between that like talk. Show that show not be named would talk about politics in talk about Casper mattresses. Okay what do mattresses have to do with politics absolutely nothing. Most politicians do sleep around so there is the hat you get comfy beds for when you're you know taking money from people but <hes> it's I just I don't I don't know it's it was like when I was doing the game. Fly thing now granted. There were benefits to it to the game fly one the other one. I can't remember for the life me what it was loobox. Luke crate or something. I think it was yeah. Everybody's doing it it. That's the problem everybody's doing. They don't do anything because when a smaller more niche podcasters get involved solved and that unless you're one of those big celebrities or your youtube or somebody that's that's made their money and made their fans. I mean a super hero be down in a war zone and <hes> screen junkies and some of these other ones that would use stuff like that and we don't have that kind of notoriety and so honestly people aren't gonNA sign up through us. They're gonNA use them and so it's just it's pointless to have it in their <hes> whereas like the ads ends that are auto inserted into the podcast because of our hosting over files we do get a kind of that and and it's based on people actually listening to podcasts and like I said it's not a lot. It's enough to cover hosting hosting and domain charge but yeah we're not getting rich off. These ads folks. We're not getting any ad you may hear in any of these podcasts on the radio network. We're not raking in money. It's just purely at this point to get the like you just said the a website cost the host can cost when it came in handy when I needed to go legit and I bought the theme for the site when I bought the site when when I when I lost my job the renewal came up at the same time and I got church for it <hes> but thankfully there was money in that account so again it came in handy it saved me when I was broke because even even if I would have had to lose home. Internet the site would have still been able to function which was kind of the main concern there and so right <hes> suffice it to say it's interesting to go back and look at how far we've traveled and which changing what's not. I know that the majority of our content is on some kind of a mass hiatus if it's not a retired show like just looking at the dashboard. Hear of her hosting this show Haddish an episode. You know little over three weeks ago A._T._F.. About five months ago Oh cinema geeks four months ago. <hes> you know there's been other ones you know. Future imperfect from the command center like four months ago I mean her retired but yeah I mean other than powers agree skull altered Qiqu Nick and like mayhem. Mike's in the poll bag yeah. There's really no other active shows on the network right now and I do want to do mortgage radio stuff I really do it's just again. It's time it's I've said this for years. Life comes before podcasting but people have to understand whether we're talking about an overall large topic like eighty years of Batman. which is this year or whether we're talking about a comic review or a cartoon review or whatever review whatever it is like we have to research it like if doing reviews we have to watch are- did or whatever listen to it? We have to take that time we then have to record talking about it. We then have to edit the show and then get it online. We have to put the ads into it. It takes time and lately because of life life. There has been a lot of time like I jokingly say. I'm lucky I'm I've still got the pullback going. I mean luckily optimus all on ir Irv Rick prerecorded up to episode. I think one sixteen or one seventeen of powers grace go and right now. We're about to release episode one twelve twelve next week. I think kind of a thing <hes> pixels in the animation is ending. I just released the the third to last episode. The second to last episode comes out. I think this week and <hes> you know now it just we're not where we were ten years ago when we started this thing everything is changed. Were all married Rosemary some of us have some of us have kids some of us. Don't <hes> you know we move. We deal with health issues. We deal deal with you know. Some people have had pets pass away things like that. You know it's me like definitely have been different. I will say that yeah. It's absolutely indifferent and also what's been different. Is You know I mean I will always no matter which time comes on live in throughout the United States I will always most definitely default eastern but I live in the central time zone right now so I'm going to our behind what we normally do you kind of a thing you moved from Michigan which was eastern all the way out to Colorado which is mountains. You're two hours behind everything <hes> I often joked joke that have Karen I ever end up fulfilling her dream and moving to Oregon which is on the west coast. I mean like Ooh I can record my podcasts at seven Pacific Ten Eastern Eastern and I'll be fine because I got three more hours that other people don't have kind of a thing but it's like we all live in different time zones. We all all are doing different. Things and it's hard to keep up with content. That's why said over on A._T._F.. When we recorded episode Rhode 166 of that that we just released certain podcasts are going to have to be when we have something to talk about? Not all of them like you're you're still gonNA find topics and things to talk about here on altered gait like you're you know you can always find topics to talk about whether you're doing a show by yourself around here with her. Powers is here whomever whether you get dot on or whoever it is you know altered Geek can always be an an ever involving thing because it's a topical show. It's not a review show. This show is on that show yeah. It's that's the beauty of the name altered Geek it just it alters depending and how I feel you know what's really funny. Though the very first episode of this podcast aired August guests second twenty thirteen this episode Will Air August Second Twenty Nineteen Yup six years to the day epic epic epic epic because even though I wasn't on that first episode which is fine that wasn't the point the point was as you started this with powers Michael Powers so you know whatever really difficult to recapture some some people <unk> I've recorded within the past just because of my time zone change yeah it sucks it. Does it does <hes> you know we. We wanted to have him here tonight but you know we're recording this at almost midnight. One A M eastern <unk> twelve midnight central troll which is eleven p._M.. Mountain so like you know it's it's yeah I would have started nine yeah. We'll even have to distribute like eight something something to get them here at ten yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Let me jump over the county line but <hes> yeah it's it's yeah it's it's definitely changed everything and eh in. It's gotten this weird evolution like you said and so <hes> I don't know it's going to be a journey and especially to see what shows come back on our our end just on life yeah. There's GonNa be some shows. I'm probably going to retire the concepts. I'm going to retire or GONNA hand them off <hes> because honestly I don't have time right this one. Will you have a full-time yeah. I mean you have a full-time job that you love that you put all your hard work and effort into you obviously and your energy you know you have a wife and two kids. That's a lot a job a wife and two kids. That's that's a lot to the deal with an I understand and I think I would hope most of the listeners understand that again. I'm going to say this until I can no longer guillermo. My voice leaves my body and I no longer able to be heard. Life comes before podcasting. We can't just get together two or three times a week in record anymore. Honestly I understand again me. I understand it's life. It's whatever this is the second time you and I have recorded one in six to seven months like we've recorded two times last month and a half pretty much before that it was six to seven months where we had not recorded accorded anything and you know it's one of those things where we used to talk on a daily basis. Whether it's on the phone I mean we still talk daily basis whether it's twitter de Amor emmer facebook or email or whatever I mean it's not like we don't talk to each other anymore but like we used to talk on the phone on a daily basis when the network for started and because of jobs and things whatever this is just not possible you know it's just not and the older we get sadly the more responsibility we get with age comes to extreme responsibility. They responsibility you young whippersnappers. I get off my lawn with your hip hop and book your Damn Pants you Morons Anthony Hopkins Yeah <hes> we still love it absolutely just we don't have the time for it like we used to. I mean even me okay. Take take me for example yes. I don't don't work but I do plenty of stuff around the house. I do all kinds of other stuff. I still get to do the podcasting that I WANNA do for the most part which is fine but we may end up moving to Oregon so you know trying to sell the house trying to do this try to do that. If we get an offer on the house trying to pack the house up you know doing all of that and everything else that takes away from all the time that I just mentally like I just mentioned a while ago. PODCASTING podcasting isn't just sit down records show not the way I do it anyway. 'cause I'm reviewing something. I'm taking a look at something. I'm talking about something something I love. I can't just sit down and do it without having to like most of the cartoon reviews that we've done powers agree skull and on to cast and others Joe's nowadays nowadays I'm watching the episodes maybe five or six hours before that recording. I can't watch an episode of a cartoon three or four episodes of a cartoon on Monday and record that show on Wednesday Wednesday and still remember I would have to watch cartoon again before the so like the pullback I love comics. I love reading comics but I read comics in order to record record the podcast. I'm not GonNa sit here and read transformers galaxies number one which comes out in September. I'm not GonNa sit there and read it when it comes out and then record the show oh a week later that's just dumb so don't comes down to timing folks. You know seven eight you know six seven years for altered Geek and I mean I remember when you guys started video show audio show whatever the big thing at the time was. Hey guess what's coming in twenty fourteen. It's going to twenty twelve. It's going to be Batman v Superman and then didn't come for four years. That was the very first episode of the podcast Yeah we were talking about that and it's just it's crazy. It's so like I said it was interesting going back and looking at old versions of the site and kind of going from there and then I was sitting was talking to somebody about something it was about. I don't like programs. Oh that's what I was talking to somebody at work and they were like <hes> we were discussing. You know whether we had a T._v.. In her living room or how much television we watched <hes> he used to watch and I was like funny because they did a podcast on one of their main shows <hes> about not men in their entertainment habits and I was like man I would love to be the episode but yeah there. There might be a part to at some point. I have a feeling but they were like yeah. I don't I don't watch all that much. Blah Blah Blah and I'm like well. We don't have a T._v.. In Our living room downstairs for workout purposes for my wife but they said I would watch all of my T._v.. While I'm working on something one screen I'd have a plan the other one which in most cases is correct but I used to watch twenty seven different shows and their like used to watch that many and I was like Oh yeah I'm like I used to probably watch more than that because depending on what was on hiatus at the time it was I was like yeah in is as shows ended as they got cancelled or they just had a natural series finale. I'm just like I quit watching and then I'd just vowed never to pick up more granted occasionally one would hit the radar and would replace something but in most cases when something goes away I don't replace it and I've done pretty well on that. 'cause you know again. This year like certain certain shows that I've been watching are going away and I won't be replacing them albeit albeit. I'm going to watch track picard. I don't it's yeah yes. We'll talk about that. In a minute as far as me TV goes does like my wife and I still watch most of the shows we've been watching but I find myself dropping. A Lotta shows anyways. I find that yeah well. It's time it's like every everything I've just already talked about in this episode about time management. It's time but it's also I don't WanNa dedicate myself to anywhere from eight to twenty two episodes of any given show. That's new to me unless I absolutely love the premise like. Are you WANNA watch pilot episodes anymore because it's like you you look at the TV landscape today the broadcast TV landscape or the cable TV landscape. You know you don't have shows like stupid on natural last S. fifteen seasons anymore. You have shows that. May you know mostly the broadcast networks are guilty of this N._B._C.. Most definitely they'll premier your show like the Playboy club which is a couple of number years ago now or my own worst enemy or knight rider two thousand eight. Whatever and they'll have it go for for season if it doesn't do well enough? They'll just let it go. So why am I gonNa get invested in something that is eventually just going disappear in is not going to have any kind of longevity as a kid. I watched cheers and the cosby show from the time I was four born till the time I was twelve for the cosby show specifically ran from eighty four to ninety two and that's eight years of my eight or nine years of my the life of my young life but I watched the show consistently with my mom. You don't have that kind of television anymore. Because television has evolved ball we now have things like Hulu and N and Net flicks and every network has its own APP and everything else like that so I find myself going back to shows that are still on Netflix that I love like person of interest with <hes> Jim Caviezel and Michael Emerson and a few other people <hes> or numbers from C._B._S.. That's on. I think that's still on Hulu like I'll watch these series like three or four times. I'll just want like basically like what reruns czar except thankfully with Hulu Netflix. There are no commercials <hes> 'cause I pay for the services obviously but yeah I find myself getting back more into mythology television than I do checking out anything new anymore. I guess I'd be curious to find out what the listeners have have encountered as far as whether they're shows that they go back to or whether there's a point where you're like okay. I'm watching way too much or I'm not watching enough or do you get invested in programs. You know rather easily in picked them up or have you watched as many as twenty seven at the same time like a crazy person that was when I was recording a lot of review content and you're not only live television but pre records for review shows plus. I had D._V._D.'s coming in all the time which they don't seem to do that anymore. I tried at one point. They don't send You D._V._D.'s anymore or blueberries. They're like you could go by by yourself see but we don't need you anymore so yeah I it would be curious to hear what what other people have to say that I personally like it. Just it's gotten easier to just drop things because I just don't have time and when I have time it's you know like I'm the one side I I was writing for <hes> for whatever reason they don't they haven't contacted me back like it. They were going through some kind of a financial issue because they were letting people go left and right when I was there which was interesting to so what does the freelance writing and then honestly pay all that great for the amount of time you had to write articles that you've made that have actually been knowledgeable about out which is what I like about the new site that I'm writing for which was running for commander dot com before and yeah I mean I like some of their content. It's it's there's nothing wrong with it or anything. I felt like I was sometimes disingenuous writing about some things that apple products I don't own one I mean I I owned an IPAD or ipad ipod in eight gigabyte ipod touch and and that's it. I have a Mac at work but that's you know I'm not a Mac user a P._c.. User so in Android user which is what I like about life wire is they you pick your articles. They don't assign them. You pick them yeah so if you're not knowledgeable about the IPADS or iphones or apple products you don't assign your name to it. If you know about windows you know about game consoles or you know about you know android and you have a way to demonstrate or you have the latest software than than you could write about it so that that's what I like about. It is if if I'm because because I don't feel like I'm disingenuous writing about it because I know about it and there's no there's no I mean you might have to do a a little bit of digging and research which are not doing like. I was spending more time than what I was getting paid to research articles for the other site and it was just just it. It really wasn't worth it. All of a sudden I mean it took me through an impede the bills but it it just wasn't great and that's what I like about. This other side side Gig is now is that it's literally going to be side cash and I should be closing my house this week and if I do marrying it's a mini van. Gogh does awesome. Yes so I'm stoked. I'll have to put up my my <hes> my list on twitter of of what I'm planning on piecing together I've spent months well not eight months. I haven't put all that much effort into it. It's just more or less seeing what kind of hardware get for a budget so and I want a bucase which I don't need honestly but it has mounts for all the hard drives that I have in my tower. They're all they're all hanging by cords inside my current one oh Lord yeah I mean you know a lot of stuff that I've talked about. This episode has been like time management and things like that lately because I've if needed certain escapes and stuff from recording editing whatever I've still kept up my pre-production thing with the polack go ahead all of next month's stuff recorded except for one segment in one episode so I could essentially edit the seven or eight episodes that are supposed has to come out next month already but I find myself listening to podcasts again. I know you've talked about this recently in the last couple of years where you're yeah well. I don't listen to every single thing I will find something. Latch onto it and listen to it. <hes> this to me is huge podcasting lasting accomplishment. It's on the level of US requesting an interview with Mark Hamill for six years. The entire lifespan the pullback. I've been asking Mike Lehman from this week in Geek in currently now he runs part time nerds fulltime dads with his Buddy Chris Bonski. I've been asking him to do a pullback origins episode. We finally reconnected. I finally got shooter. Let's do it come to find out. I don't don't have the origins questions anymore for the pullback the origins questions for all things transformers so I had to recreate the entire list of questions for the bowl bag and Mike and recorded that episode and shortly after that because I want you know he's my friend and I want to support what he's doing. He in Chris have released forty four forty. Now as of this recording is probably forty five or forty six at the time when we recorded that episode of the pullback there was forty four episodes assumes of part-time nerds fulltime dads out there. I listened to all forty four episodes within five and a half days yeah. I'm I'm nuts monster. I know right. You made me this way voice. Yeah <hes> I listened to Mike and Listen to Chris and honestly it's I remember back in the day you and Michael Wilson said we should do at dad's Ed's podcast essentially what Mike and Chris have done our time nerds fulltime dad's dot com <hes> or it might be <unk> anyway. I'll how have you put the link in the show notes. It's really fun. It's very interesting. Basically the podcast starts with episode one when their wives are still pregnant. They're not dad's yet because their wives are obviously still pregnant they go through the whole thing as being in the hospital and giving birth Yada Yada Yada all that and then they talk about nerdy stuff and baby stuff ruffin. It's very very cool interesting and fun through my other friend Jesse Jackson. Who Does these set lusting Bruce podcast? It's a bruce springsteen podcast. He turned me onto a show called music talks with Terry Smith Right now. There's only three episodes of this basically guests Jesus song from each decade of their lives and tell Terry how they went about making their choices and why the songs songs mean so much to them so basically you pick it song from every decade that you've been alive so for me eighties. He's ninety s two thousand twenty tens. You know that's just interesting me. It's it's superfund in the three episodes that he has out so far have all been very very cool and very interesting. The format is fun. It's honestly the most refreshing podcast I've heard in a long time time so I will have you and everyone else check that out as well S._O.. I guess before we go up too much on the crazy train here. <hes> I mean crazy train in Admiral Jean Luc Picard dropped for Star Trek Picard <hes> for the for the S._e._C. which I know they're doing a star trek celebration <hes> things starting to Morrow on through Saturday so it's a big news drop. It's July thirty first through like August thirty <hes> so they're doing a giant news junket on on everything everything in interviews and everything else so they're gonNa have the cast of that. They're going to have you know because he really revealed aside from Patrick Stewart Reprising Brent spiner back data although it doesn't say to what capacity from everything I've read. He's not in every episode so there's there's three different options here because of this you show before his body which is data's basically his oldest brother before Moore was created. WHO's also the most obsolete out of the the androids they in the countdown countdown comic before the Abrams Two thousand nine which was written by Kurtz in Orsi not funny enough? Ah The head data get revived in before his body and become captain of the enterprise e and Picard was ambassador to Vulcan and <hes> <hes> data was they already had taken time off starfleet to work on the positron it brain to get data's to resurface and then before kind of deleted himself dated reasserted himself in the body and took over in data was reborn essentially in he also was able to interface with the enterprise enterprise and create holograms of himself on the ship to man stations that he previously could not have done in previous tracks so oh there's there's that method which they're not gonna go that way. That's been ret conned in essence because the way the picard talking is that data made the sacrifice so they show before his body and that's definitely his body torn apart in there. There's there's three different thoughts behind this that are rational. I've run irrational and rational ones one of them is they do put before back together. In data does resurface purpose will be at he has to stay at starfleet temporarily or something until he's fully acclimated which wouldn't be until like this season two thing <hes> that's one one method to is the card is I don't think they're gonna go the flashback back route so I think he's talking to data on the holiday because he refers to him as Captain Yeah <music> so there's that or data is back as a hologram where they transferred him much like the holographic doctor from Voyager. It's hard to say what until we see more footage but that's that's one methodology there too. They're also they have set of nine back. Who's more humanistic than she wasn't? Voyager granted this is twenty years later so go figure <hes> then Reicher and troy will be in it. It'll it'll be at a very short and he won't be the captain of the Titan. They're saying that they're very they're non-militaristic which means that they probably retired from starfleet to <hes> due to whatever the same thing that card you know probably network so we'll we'll at least that much of a reunion this season season two. They're talking talking about Robert. Ricardo returning is the holographic doctor or Doctor Zimmerman one of the two <hes> and then there's no an Lavar Burton might join in later on season two. Maybe you never know I mean I like the thriller I think the steelers interesting it keeps it you know mysterious mysterious enough but you know we also have like you said the seven of nine thing in there <hes> and you've got all these new crew members while and you've got the line of you know we wanna make sure you remember what kind of captain you were. Whatever the line is about him remembering? You know what kind of cabinet but we remember but we remember yeah. I like that. I think that's cool and interesting again if this was on Hulu which I already paid for sure I'd watch it until it comes to Hulu or until it comes to d._V._D.. I'm not paying for C._B._S.. All Act I'm not paying for any it's not. Could it be access. Yes it is it's going to be on Amazon. No it's going to be on it says in the trailer on C._B._S.. All access in the U._S. in Amazon in other territories <hes> okay. I thought it was the other way around now. It's C._B._S.. All access trailer the <unk> folks no. I'm pretty sure it's going to be on. I mean it's a C._V._S.. It's all access but I'm pretty sure that it's going to be. It's just coming early twenty twenty. It doesn't really really have a definitive but it looks like it's going to be on C._B._S.. All access but I know they said something about Amazon is going to get it too so either way. I'm this is this is about the only way that I would visit Drac aside from the fact that they the discovery jump a thousand years in the future so that'll be the first track to be beyond anything we've seen although this continues continuity that we remember from twenty years ago so so I'm more to this than the other <hes> and then there's talks that they might have <hes> another prequel show with Captain Pike and spock and number one which that I wouldn't mind just because of what it is it just because it's exploring Pike Pike. We've never seen you know other than discovery for the most part so that that I don't mind either but <hes> yeah the the picard third one is probably the one with the most poll for me right now and then they have hugh that played a Borg in three episodes of T._N._G.. As well I- reprising so yeah it'll be interesting I'm kind of stuck for that and <hes> looking forward to it and I love the the makeup job they did on Brent spiner. It'd make him look like data again cause he's white spiky hair and he looks he looks pretty old. I mean who seventy yeah he. He kind of looks like you said he has white spiky hair. He kind of looks like <hes> his Independence Day counterpart except that guy had long hair at the time the little crazy mad scientists scientists dude in Independence Day from ninety six all right so the star Trek cards expected to premiere in early twenty twenty on C._B._S.. All access in the U._S.. <MUSIC> and run for ten episodes like discovery before it each episode of the series will be broadcast in Canada Bell Media on the same day as the all access release. He's on the Specialty Channels Space English Z. and French before streaming on crave Amazon prime video will stream the episodes within twenty four hours of their U._S.. Press release in over two hundred other countries and territories around the world. This is different than discovery which is released internationally by net flicks. The the deals with Amazon and bill for the series were made by international distributor an aunt an international distribution arm of C._B._S. studios international so it is here in the U._S.. It is basically only on C._B._S.. All access and I'm not paying for any. I don't care what showed I don't care if it's star Trek. I don't care if it's game of thrones. I'm not paying for any one additional service just to see one show. You know it's funny. mm-hmm you save up for the <hes> the free trial and then you blitz and then you're done you're done. They're they're trying to get people to stay on the service with greeting star Trek Universe yeah and in having lower deck's which is actually named after episode. It's it's something reminiscent of something I would do of name your series after an episode the legends of the Dark Knight that was an episode of Batman Series and I named the podcast that and it was it Kinda worked and lower taxes episode of season and seven where you know junior officers around the ship it follows them for the duration of the episode and that's what the animated series is going to be is basically basically that and so it's kind of funny that they're going that route but that's not something tune into anyway. I don't really care about the whole animated side of it and then they're going to have another one. That's basically like starfleet for kids on Nickelodeon. If we ever did do a and I know future imperfect as your thing is your star Trek thing that you do if we ever did do a star Trek Review show. It's going to be called the relics or whatever that episode was that Scott he comes back in no it'd be future imperfect yes future perfects and episode as well. The relics also means that we're getting old now and it's it's a lame name Verse Star Trek Podcast Sir Alex Yeah. That's funny. You shouldn't have to say Star Trek. You know sure you should just like you're supposed to say podcast and every podcast. You're not such a late two thousand five thing I never miss a fan of putting podcasts in the name of my show. That's why there's always something else in there anyways so yes I either either way. I'm I'm excited to see this. Come by life so yup anything else. You'd like to say before we take off I. I don't think so I think that's it it over eighty seven years who knew this showed still be around seven years who knew the ultimate transforms will be around eleven years Yep I. I would not have guessed that to be honest but you know we're getting too old for this stuff. Times time is surprising so yeah so until next time get altered altered geeky with alter geeks. You don't Miss Old Navy Saturday steal this Saturday. 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327 - Return to the Fold and Tech Woes

Altered Geek

26:06 min | 2 years ago

327 - Return to the Fold and Tech Woes

"Ace is the place with the helpful hardware folks it's the fourth of july sale at ace the perfect time to buy the latest grills are exclusive lineup of premium brands like weber traeger and more right now get free assembly and free delivery on our top top grill brands and accessories three ninety nine up from are store right to your door don't miss the fourth of july sale now through monday only at ace offer valid for ace rewards members only see participating store for scheduling are exclusions you were tuned into altered geek who would welcome to altered geek i'm steve phillips in you're listening to the podcast it keeps evolving end were kind of back 'em so yeah there's been quite a bit going on a as most of you know in the last episode was recorded 'em who's planning on doing some kind of videos or 'em podcasts a while i was on the road which we kind of did that as like a family videotaping a but aside from that those those around you to none of my channel but they're they're out there 'em so anybody that's friends of mine on social media and couldn't find it 'em so yeah we we starlight lounge presents an evening the moon tickling the ivories he just saved by bundling home and auto with progressive gonna finally by ring for that gal of yours hugo send american dolences there's no injuries there is a burglar in my a link to the insurance company insurance discounts not available in all stages situations you're a back end there's been quite a bit going on a completely unpacked at this point a half my desk set up a as a matter of fact a for those it follow on twitter would already know this i've set my my computer and set up in a closet a any smaller bedroom in our a duplex rental and surprisingly enough it works great on ebay for the table which wasn't de original plan the original plan was to go out and buy hey desk 'em so yeah that's that's the only change but for for this particular location where we are renting at the moment a the full of this actually works surprisingly well a where my chair sits because i boosted be the table up higher than a my previous desk when i loved it at b b house so my monitor's they're actually like directly in my face 'em in my microphone is actually right in front of my mouth a so that's a little bit different 'em so yeah as i stated a lot's been going on a so there's been very little activity from me on not only social media but the podcast front and i'm hoping to change that in be 'em coming weeks so expect more yes a are here 'em so anyways i hope everybody had a safe and fun fourth of july holiday a i know i did with my kids and 'em some v v healthier in more fun things that have been going on in our life says i've been riding my bike to work and not only does it show how out of shape i am but it also is fun and i don't have to buy a second car anytime soon a so there there is that benefit is well a but really it only takes like a firmware i lives to where i work it's seven minutes driving it's about giving take about eighteen minutes to ride my bike so it's it's really cool to be able to do that not throwing a backpack 'em with my lunch and my change it closed because i don't wear my work because when i'm riding my bike because i don't wanna get dirty on spokes so anyhow enough of me rambling a what is a fun activities happening this week a while i was working was internet went out and you you know it's really weird when when you sit down and then you have be the internet completely go put on you and it was something worth whatever these internet connection was in so i was thankfully able to find other things to do a while i was there and there were a number of other tough technical difficulties as well but that happened pertaining to they need network 'em so so for instance i could get in my my g mail 'em and some other areas simply by 'em is simply by getting on my phone it accessing but it connects us on my computer which a is a very nice computer i will say that it's a mac book pro a air mac book air pro something a anyways it it doesn't have a cd drive it's good for u s b c a ports on it and a a nice like i have a twenty seven inch monitor here at home i think that that's like a thirty two inch a monitor that i have and then another one that's about twenty four inch wide somewhere in that so it's it's a nice nice set up a daily downside to mac a in today's standards is mentally do not get abcd driver dvd dr 'em but you also don't get he native html five or 'em internet ports or or some of those things because it's so thin 'em so that's about the only eat a leg up i can think of getting a pc is you get all those ports and you get all those those aspects 'em as as opposed to a mac 'em but it's actually the first nice computer i've gotten a by working somewhere and a it's refreshing to have something that actually works 'em when i worked at one place these the computers windows seven machine but it was at that point about ten years out of date 'em and it was totally unusable an thee the previous place they were to be computer was 'em probably about four years old but it was one of those eight zoos 'em a laptops and it had windows ten on it but it had eight ltd her driver like fifty years sixty gig ssd built in in really couldn't run anything 'em it it did chug along when you do simple tasks of just checking email or using social media totally not a good machine so this one super i can run on both screens are gonna have a bunch of windows a bike and hellas tabs open that could have notes open knocking at my email i could have slack 'em so it's it's super nice 'em in speaking of computers i'm currently a funny enough pricing out in new machine whether i get it anytime soon that's debatable 'em a one of my good friends online a alex had kind of put together a couple of different options or things to look at 'em it really cool a some of them i think one of them is like liquid cooled there's something which i'm not really wanting to go that direction i i really don't care to have a radiator my computer my dad does that 'em but that's not something i'm very enthusiastic about a having the time and effort into 'em especially when i just wanted to work in there's really nothing wrong with my machine per say other than when shots were gets on it starts to get bogged down now because it's it's a third generation pentium a core ice three dual core processor an i know this greek just some people i twelve gigs of ram minute ddr three m a n p a g force kyri this like two gigabyte a multiple hard drives sst and otherwise 'em in an older a funny enough i just when unpacking i found these folks motherboard which it's eighty eight gigabyte a motherboard and a i always really liked the gigabyte heart motherboards 'em for variety of reasons because they have the ports then i'm specifically looking for 'em and will it just there's a lot of options going on with it in so so i i've i've kind of been stuck in my ways like this i've i've had two gigabyte motherboards a my next one i'm planning this is the goal 'em planning anyhow to 'em upgrade to another a one of those cards another another motherboards that's gigabyte 'em the current one has a which is funny i was looking how old this thing was and i shut the receipt inside booklet it's a little over six years old so i'm do 'em in it's got multiple panels i've got five say the plugs on it i've got a multiple u s b redundancies i've got a couple of years be a three point oh plugs in the back back as well as a u s b to point out which is really nice 'em it comes with it it comes with f a two u s b two point oh ford's it comes with two u s b three porno ports in hd in my port built in d v i n b j and then of course you're you're either net 'em and a two more a u s p two point airports and a for some reason i can't fathom why were still having ps two keyboard mouse ports it it could work for either or but why would you used that in today's modern era when you have u s b i would never switch back to one of those for my keyboard would never switchback my mouse my mouse is a matter of fact lodge attack a gaming mouse it's so much type she six so to end i really enjoyed that most because not only does it fit my hand it's wireless in in bluetooth 'em it's very comfortable a there's a lot of programmable buttons on it a that i'm able to use for for a variety of things it it just kind of a no brainer why would you use that but they still they're still putting in my new motherboards and so i guess that's something to do with legacy i really don't know but i don't don't particularly care for it 'em so kind of looking at my a suspect out build that i'm kind of planning on doing a firm one i i need to get new power supply because they still have like a old five fifty a modular power supply a some gonna have some fifty or something because i know then i'm bogging down a usd's ports and i have plugged in at this point 'em and then i'm gonna get deep core i five nines generation coffee like six core processor a does not come with graphics which is fine because honestly i don't need it in the prices cheaper a if you go without the graphics and so i'm gonna just recycle in reusing my my invidia g force card which is a little older but it should still do the job 'em and then of of course i'm gonna give the gigabytes a c three ninety a pro why fi 'em motherboard so it'll have 'em like hd of my hookup still have the capability to go up to sixty four gigs of ram and it'll have to 'em wireless ports built in which is gonna be pretty slick 'em per wife high say hey i'll get antennas to to do why fi i currently right now because the words positioned in in this office i've had to go back from doing internet which i was doing it my my house when i was there to using my deal link a u s b m wireless transmitter an you it works but it's also the wireless end standard tonight having like a a a wireless like a ac a rotor in this is ac built in so one big proponent i am i am for motherboards and this is why i chose gigabyte over these other ones is because 'em they have multiple you espn reports in dad's one of the important factors for me now granted it's it's it's probably over cofer some people a but i have enough periphery ills that i liked plugged in a so it's gonna have a for u s b two point oh plugs a it's gonna have a three u s b three point oh plugs so that's seven then to use be three point one plugs so where nine at any u s b three point one type see plug so very tenuous be ports 'em as long you know is one of those like the internet the hd of my knee a m the the line in line out microphone you know sub woofer like it the full blown packaged speakers so yeah it's it's gonna be super cool a having all that functionality plus it'll have headers for the front of the case which unfortunately the plugs they're going to the this particular case 'cause again it's an older their case and i didn't spend much on it was fairly forty bucks 'em it's got like you sp to a porno plugs on it in their real low so i'm also kind of considering getting a new one a that support for seriously three point o a an i could plug things in to the top and that that's kind of one of the big factors and i'm i'm kind of looking at 'em like the top of this this particular case he's a then i'm looking at has multiple 'em multiple multiple multiple a usa before it's a on it which which is nice in the push button to turn it on often reset is on top is well you could slide a panel over discovered so that'll be good for children's purposes but it has to do is be three point oh in two years to point out when the top as well as 'em a a line in firm microphone in line out for headphones 'em and then i'm gonna get thirty two gigs of ram a firm jeez skill i'm gonna get eight m dot to a a n n n n b n b m or or whatever that standard is 'em five twelve sst that plugs directly above board which will give me insane speeds a as far as that's concerned in a yeah like a two terabyte seagate harddrive the plug in that's it's it's a moving plate one but then i'll at least have a larger back up by about five hundred gig gig hard drive a cat knocked over my water 'em five gig hard drive and to one twenty gig ssd the machinery now and so it would be a significant boost so so anyways that would be my basically might build 'em so i don't know how many of you guys like like to build your own machines i personally enjoy it because then i could to build how i want it might only key question on that is do i have to reinstall everything or credit just popped my hard drive over in that's kind of what i'm hoping a but i don't know that so that's that's something and i'll have to kind of way when when the time comes a but yeah i mean i'm i'm super super stoked 'em to two heading that direction a no one could go cheaper on the processor and get a nice three om witcher four core now a instead of getting a six core i five but if i'm gonna like spended i might as well get the one that's a little bit more powerful powerful and a yeah so yeah it's that's kind of the boat on man with with computer but a yeah so i'm sure you've just alienated aboard a multiple will be voted out on on that front 'em but yeah so it's first technology is concerned a in addition to the various problems with internet going down 'em samsung just seems to be popping up like insanity and on the web a while i was doing my my gathering for this 'em they had three articles come out simultaneously from like seeing that is eating at a basically the same type of thing a samsung just recently got sued or taking the court for allegedly misleading customers and galaxy s is a water resistance 'em in in australia that a you know claimed samsung phones are is waterproof as advertised which to be honest a you know they said it only of their certification only applies to freshwater to be honest the funny thing is these phones are water resistant not waterproof so if you were taking the chance of bring your phone into the water a it's not really a very wise decision especially when you're basically spending a thousand fifteen hundred dollars on these phones now it's just it's not worth gambling was 'em yeah i mean samsung's really not budging on it because they're saying that it's you know just exposure of normal a you know a clean water such is like um you know somebody the ocean they're saying that they ocean because it's got like the salt and everything else but like you could give his splashy rain down and you could get some of those factors get wetter drop it and you're sinkers something but it it it will more likely rebound from that but if you're taking a lengthy ocean or something in your pocket like water camera it's not gonna be usable 'em i just don't understand why people would take things like that out into the water or a i have a water cameras specifically for water and i leave my phone in the car 'cause i just i won't take that chance 'em in then speaking speaking of other massive flaws on samsung's be half a day fixed or claimed there fixing be the simpson galaxy fold which if you're not up just back on that it's there flip phone a but it's a smartphone so dependable screen so they claim in a report that it's been remedied 'em ended they're gonna they're gonna have a worldwide launch the funny thing is is these phones you're gonna cost two thousand dollars if i'm gonna spend two thousand dollars i'm gonna get i dunno like two really good pc's or or a laptop and a desktop like they just spending two thousand dollars on a cell phone it it just doesn't make any sense so yeah same songs their their stretchy protective filmed wrap around the entire screen in you know flow into the outer puzzles 'em they've they've redevelop did so they say 'em end they're saying that they've reengineer the hinge deluded it's flush with the displaying serves the open stretched the you know the protective layer when the phone opens but they want to be the first to launching foldable phone you know out there at least through the flagship there is there is another foreign company that came out west of flip phone that was a smartphone not that long ago and it wasn't perfect but it wasn't great eiter 'em but they're still be samsung to and it's almost like when i heart radio search saying like oh were first in they art on anything a but anyways they're trying to be who i who way e i have no idea i pronounce it but anyways they they've delayed their made x foldable launch 'em so probably for the same reasons it i guess if you're wanting like i i did for some time want you motorola razor a flip phone but the did the downside is you have to worry about if you're gonna break you're screen yeah i just i that's not with phones being in the states they are today it's not a risk that you really need plus these these are these are gonna be very much gimmick phones i don't see this this trend lasting very long so yeah it it it's it's a 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The Short List: What We Know About Joe Biden's VP Search

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The Short List: What We Know About Joe Biden's VP Search

"From NPR IN WVU ARE BOSTON I'm Anthony Brooks and this is on point more than a decade ago. Barack Obama named Joe Biden as his running mate. It was considered a strategic choice. Biden brought experience and age to the ticket and helped balance then-senator Obama's progressive message of change. As the presumptive Democratic nominee, it's Joe Biden's turn to pick a VP candidate. His choice will say a lot about what kind of president he wants to be. Will it also help energize? His campaign can help them win in November this hour on point Biden's running-mate why his choice matters and why? It might not with us from Dayton Ohio is Christopher divine. He's a political science professor at the University of Dayton. He's also the CO author with Kyle See COPCO of the new book two running. Running mates matter the influence vice presidential elections as well as the VP advantage how running mates influence homestate voting in presidential elections, and it's great to have you Christopher divine. Thanks for joining us. It's great to be here. Thank you so much for having me on the. I've been really looking forward to this conversation. We're going to get to Biden shortlist and we're going to hear from various people about who he should pick and including a bunch of our listeners, but I wanna ask you. About this right that we go through every four years, lots of excitement lots of speculation. Particular among sort of political junkies. Let's say lots of excitement Now you pop a few myths about the importance of this choice, so start there. What's the biggest myth about the importance of the pick? So have to be a little careful I don't want to describe anything quite as a myth, but I will say there are some things that are either overblown, or they're really taken for granted, and people will stay things without any evidence for them, or at least not strong enough evidence for it, and for that matter, it has been a ton of research on Vice presidential candidates elect electoral effects are books the first one that really covers that comprehensively so? The big one is the perception that the running mate choice is so important that it could very easily tipped the election, the election hinge on the choice of a running mate and that really overstates the case. I'm not saying it's impossible that a running make could end up making the difference in a really really close election. Of course it's hard to tell exactly. Those elections are coming in, and no one wants to take any election for granted but when you think of the certainty. Certainty that a vice president in office will make a substantial impact on the administration on its successes. It's failures, and you balance that against the uncertainty, really the unlikelihood that a vice presidential vice presidential candidate will actually tip the election. I think there's a big gap there that frankly a lot of us and hey, I'm guilty of it, too. I'm I'm a political junkie. No doubt but it's very easy for us. Get so caught up in the parlour game element of this that we. Start imagining facts that just haven't really occurred aren't likely to occur and really lose sight of the importance of this as a governing choice, and for that matter window, and into the future presidency, the other thing I'd mention just quickly is Again I, I want to be careful not to call it a myth, but I would say the home. State advantage is one in particular. That gets a lot of discussion. Whenever these choices come up. This is the idea that a vice presidential running mate could help deliver his or her state. Right okay Gotcha. Yeah. And and it's often just assumed that that's GonNa Happen in the evidence for that is pretty weak. There is some evidence against it the other way that's out there too, and I want to you know recognize. But. our research what we've done recently as most updated analysis of this wells, a recent journal Article and We find that if you look at elections were able to get data from nineteen, fifty two to two thousand sixteen much, you know even better evidence from two thousand, eight, two, thousand sixteen. We do not find any general home state advantage Say with any confidence statistically speaking that there is an general home state advantage, and even if we look at recent cases like let's say Tim Kaine of Virginia. In Two Thousand Sixteen, which I think was the rationale in some ways for choosing him released one of the topics of conversation, and that didn't pan out by our estimates, nor for that matter as as I'm sure we'll get. Get into some point, other things like you know Kane supposedly GonNa Bring along Catholics, and maybe even Latino voters because he was a fluent Spanish speaker and people get really carried away with this in thinking that little things are GonNa make such a difference. You know. Tim Kaine fluently speak Spanish. It's going to change how Latinos vote now. There's no evidence that it did and then. We could use use a reality check. Going back in history, one of the examples of the home state advantage that's often talked about, and you have to go quite a ways back in American history is John? F. Kennedy Picking Lyndon Baines. Right to bring to bring him Texas and that seemed to work out, but. Other other than that not lots of examples of that right, or did it with Lyndon Johnson so. Actually we have a chapter on on this in a previous book. This my book with Kyle Copco Elizabethtown College so the VP advantage. And we have a chapter, and they're looking at survey data from a that year, and in fact when you look at in this, this matches with internal campaign polls, which we also analyze their and other polls that we're taking place. That year that Johnson was actually less popular in the south in the north. in fact, other candidates like Henry Cabot Lodge Massachusetts, believe it or not across multiple polls was more popular than Johnson was, and we no evidence that. That you know positive feelings toward Johnson helped in Texas or even helped in the south. Generally I won't ask you about sort of one of the sort of. Not so much but I think. When every four years we get to the point where there's lots of speculation and parlor game among political junkies. WHO's it going to be who's going to be? And then we are reminded that the vice presidential pick isn't the sort of pivotal decision, or the pivotal issue around which voters make the make up their mind, but I would argue that or let me just ask you this, is it? It different this year. Because of the extraordinary events, the country is facing because Biden has been essentially locked down out of sight. We haven't had traditional campaign events across the country, all of all which makes his expected announcement about VP pick which I guess, we're expecting an early August. It feels more significant this time around. That's my feeling I wonder what you think about that I. Don't think you're wrong about that. I tend to agree. My my first impulse is to thank you. Know isn't every election that we say that is the most important election of our lifetime that this is the this is the VP's going to make a difference, and in all these kinds of things, and then the next time we say we say the same thing, but I i. Get your point I take it and I. I do tend to agree actually in this case, I think it's particularly important for a couple of reasons you point some there but also get Joe Biden's age You know he's going to be the oldest presidential nominee and potentially all the present take office. Given that fact. Health problems he's had in the past. Really going back decades, actually serious health issues. You know there's the potential you know. It sounds Morbid to say it, but there's the potential that maybe doesn't last for the term or or you know is able to fully do this duties for the whole time. Let's hope that it's not an issue. But there's also the case the fact that Given his age, maybe he does one term. We'll see, but he is helping to set the direction for the Democratic Party in the future, and really really saw that on full display in the primaries that there's Say the same thing about Republican. At least you know maybe up until recently, but there seems to be something that identity crisis in the democratic. Party does want to go and more moderate direction in a more liberal Progressive Direction I think that's still being decided, and you know. Biden certainly can't determined that future, but he could put. You know thumb on the scales for the future, because whoever he puts front and center as a running mate that person gets elected vice president, or just gets the prominence of being the running mate, that person's young enough that person, four or eight years could be the next leader of the Democratic Party at least have an advantage in in getting the nomination. well I wanNA play a little tape from some of our listeners. Put out our number yesterday, and we've heard from a lot of listeners about who they'd like to see. Joe Biden pick as his running mate so here's Randi from Burnside Kentucky, making his case making a case for a California. Senator Comma Harris in this voicemail. She's Oh well deserving of it. She's very well astute. And California has the largest. Toll Colleagues. Votes of any state in the Union. And I'm down here in Kentucky Oh trump's revered. And I think that would be excellent. So. That's Randy from burnside Kentucky making their case for for Comma Harrison. We should just mention Christopher. Some of the names Kamala Harris Massachusetts senator. Elizabeth Warren is said to still be in the running. Kisha Lance bottom she's she's the mayor of Atlanta, Val demings representative from Florida Susan Rice former national security, advisor and ambassador to the UN under president. Obama Tammy Duckworth senator from Illinois Tammy Baldwin Senator from Wisconsin Gretchen Whitmer governor of Michigan Stacey. Abrams, of course for Democratic leader in the Georgia House of Representatives even Gina. Raimondo governor of Rhode Island. Who'd be sort of a moderate choices has been talked about as being in the running so Christopher before. We go to break I. WanNa put you on the spot. Who Do you think makes sense for? Joe Biden to pick. So I think he's got a great list of choices there. You know it's hard to make a really terrible. Pick out of those I will say I think there are better and worse choices, or at least once that more clearly make sense and let me just stress one point here. The big finding from our research is that the choice of running mate. Doesn't necessarily get people to vote for a vice president, but it gets. It changes how they think about the presidential candidates so job number one is to pick. Someone clearly qualified otherwise you undermine judgments or shooting undermine perceptions of the presidential candidates judgment. You can also shape process ideology, and so on so that's the basis on which I say that Common Harris makes a lot of sense She has plenty of political experience She was left in San Francisco's district attorney. In two thousand four, she was elected in two thousand ten as attorney general, the state she was elected to the Senate in two thousand, sixteen the US. Senate, so she has a range of experience at the state and national level. she's also someone who has presidential. Can Experiences presidential candidate which I think counts for quite a bit actually puts you on that stage and gets people thinking of you as a potential president, so if we think of experience, not just what's on paper, but how people perceive you the the the fact that you ran for president and had a fairly high profile run. Harris did I. Think puts you in good shape to be seen as someone who actually could be president and Joe Biden have to spend a Lotta time explaining why you know she She makes sense in in that role. She's also someone who I think is hard to pin down ideologically other candidates that you mentioned you know. Let's say Gina Raimondo is very much associated with the moderate wing of the Party Elizabeth Warren the liberal wing of the. The Party Kamala Harris has not clearly identify with either one, and so I think you can keep both sides, if not fully happy at least relatively happy going into the campaign all right about there for Comma Harris Christopher divine standby we're we're talking about Joe Biden's pick for vice president up next will hear the case for some other candidates as well. We're going to take a short break. We'll be right back, I'm Anthony Brooks. This is on point. Comedian Nicole buyer has some thoughts on organized religion. Ten percent of your earnings. Going to the church is an insane thing to ask like. That's how much I pay my agent and my manager. Do you know what I'm saying? The, Gospel, according to Nicole, listen to. It's been minute from NPR. This is on point I'm Anthony Brooks we're talking about Joe. Biden's pick for Vice President I'm here with Christopher Christopher divine. He's a political science professor. At the University of Dayton he's also co author with Kyle See COPCO of the new book. Two running mates matter the influence of vice presidential elections and Christopher. I WANNA play a couple of cuts of tape from our listeners. Here's Jack from Framingham. Massachusetts on what he's looking for in a vice presidential nominee, who should Joe Biden pick as his vice presidential running mate. Number One. Who can help him to feed Donald Trump. Number Four. Who can best help him defeat Donald Trump. Number seven. Don't forget number four. Okay. That's Jack from Framingham Massachusetts and Christopher Week. We received a lot of voice mails from listeners for this hour, and the plurality said they want Joe Biden to pick someone who's not even on his shortlist of candidates, and who doesn't want to be a vice president, including former first lady Michelle Obama. Here's Louise also from Massachusetts. I think Michelle Obama would be terrific. She's known throughout the country and and I think it would be an absolute Addition to. The tech by the way, we also got a few calls for another woman, decidedly not in the running oprah, Winfrey but Christopher quick question about this What is your research? Tell you what voters walked or sort of how they think about this question. So, voters want experience most of all that is the thing that they emphasized actually emphasize very little. These centers polling on this and that's Kinda Limited but they'll they'll emphasize. They do not emphasize one and kind of towards damages. They mostly focus on. Is this person be able to do the job? Because, the danger really is that you're going to choose someone with your Joe by someone else in a campaign. You're going to choose to one just to win that election and then afterwards. Oh, this person's not really up to the job or at least is not going to be. As, helpful as I wanNA, be maybe not someone I would work very well with so they have to be really really careful of that and voters. Also you know if you ask them going into the campaign Hayes, it's going to be important to you. the choice of a running mate consistently through the years. The last you know twenty years or so eighty eighty five percent of people say yes. The choice of a running mate is important to me. You ask them after the election. How important it was and compare that to other factors ranks low on the list, and in fact, even more so. There's if you ask them. Just open an open ended fashion. Just I'm going to put words in your mouth. You tell me what you're thinking. What influence your choice in this election? Okay, this is going back to the nineteen fifties. Less than five percent of respondents in the these surveys will say anything about the vice presidential selection, so it seems so important going in, and it can't be really important especially if you mess it up. But? Most most of the time, if you just pick someone who's competent and well liked well liked enough. You know they're not going to hurt you. They may help you a little bit, but you are not going to get waves of people after the election. Saying Oh. Yeah that that was what didn't for meals. The choice of a running mate well speaking of messing it up WanNa, talk about some of the decisions. That kind of messed it up, but I'M GONNA. Hold that for a little bit later because I want to go now to South Carolina. I I met state. Representative Wendy Brawley last while I was reporting on senator. Elizabeth Warren Presidential Campaign in South Carolina Wendy. Brawley represents district seventy which includes richland and sumter counties. She's the CO founder of Emara, Woman Magazine which highlights the achievements of people of Color in South Carolina, she endorsed Senator Elizabeth Warren in the Democratic primaries, and now she's hoping Joe Biden. Will Select Warren as his running mate and representative Raleigh. Good to have you on on point. Thanks for joining us. Thank you so much anthony for having me. It's nice to talk to you again. Tell me why senator. Warren make sense. Well I think Senator Warren. Makes Sense for a lot of reasons I think this is going to be a different kind of race this year. there's a lot of interest in politics among people who probably have never really considered themselves a political person they're watching. They're protesting beer getting engaged at the local level as well as at the national level so I think this is a different kind of. Of Election and Senator Warren's profile as a candidate when she ran, was raised quite a bit across the country for those people who had not been as familiar with her and I think she brings to the ticket. The kind of balance that Joe Biden will need to engage the progressive wing of the Party, and also to comfort of those individuals who who consider themselves moderate but still want. For those populations of persons who have heretofore been left. Process I think she really adds a lot to the ticket represented. Raleigh I WANNA ask you about this. And that is Joe. Biden's under a good deal of pressure from from lots of folks to pick not only a woman, but a woman of color, and it's interesting talking to you in South Carolina about this. Because you know South Carolina African. American voters in south. Carolina more than any other group really revived. Joe Biden's campaign. Until then you know. His campaign was pretty much. The walking dead, so there is a feeling among lots of. Some African Americans anyway that you know this makes sense at this moment in America to have not only a female running mate butter, a running mate of color of what do you say to that argument? Well I think it's a strong argument. I. Don't doubt that there are a lot of people who feel that Having a female color will be the best option for Joe Biden. I happen to believe that many African American. Women in particular across country are looking more substantively to the issues, and how the candidate that he selects as his running mate will bear on the issues that matter to the black community, and you know even if in South Carolina is you talk to people about the race between Biden and warn people liked warm. A lot of people of color really liked her, but there wasn't a sanity to Biden because of his connection to President Obama worked. As a volunteer Debray Apple, times so I understand that, but I think this. This campaign is about more than just the color. Of the vice presidential candidate and really it's is more to the ideals of that candidate how they stand on the issues, because people are going to be very probative this time and I don't know if he were, but there was some concern, even with some of the African American community, particularly, the Progressive Wing already about comma. Harris's record is related to Accra and punish. That's right and so I think people are born to be strategically looking at just as your previous guest said, who is the best person to help Joe Biden, and how can he activate? Bet Wing of the party that he is going to need. To Win, and I think of someone like Elizabeth, Warren at Elizabeth Warren has that type of ability to actually pull the party together and make certain that the base of the party. The Progressive Base activator all right well. Representative Wendy Brawley. She's a Democratic Representative in South Carolina Represents district seventy, which includes richland in sumter counties when he really thank you so much for joining us. We're very grateful to hear from you today. Thank you. Thank you so much for having. So Chris or Christopher divine. Let me turn to you. you made the case before we heard from representative Brawley? That come La-. Harris made the most sense. What do you think about? Wendy Brawley's argument for Elizabeth Worn? Yeah I represent probably make some good points about Elizabeth Warren and I. Wouldn't you know challenge that that I think I? Think would be a good pick in a lot of ways. for one thing you know she like Harris has been vetted on the national stage as always with any presidential campaign. There are pros and cons but overall I think she's someone who most people would see. Without, having it further explained to them that she is clearly qualified for that role in, and she's also carved out this niche as A. Policy Wonk She's also someone who, although she had some sparring with Joe Biden in the past. seems to go along with him pretty well now as far as we can tell that always wildcard in this by the way, is the personal relationship. I should mention that, too. In fact, I should say that's also one reason why Harris. Choice. They're high profile. Collision at last summer's debate. Actually increase the case. I'm glad you brought that up. Sorry to jump in, but just listeners who not recall they had a pretty in fact, we've got a little bit of of a tape to play from that about Biden Harris and they really clashed over busing in America and Kamala Harris. Really took on Joe Biden in this debate and so here's here's a part of their exchange and give you a sense of what it sounded like. Do you agree today that you were wrong to oppose busing in America then do you agree I did not oppose bossing in America. What I posed is bussing ordered by the Department of Education. That's what I opposed. Why not a fancier of states to into? Schools in. America I was part of the second class to integrate Berkeley California public schools almost two decades after Brown V. Board of Education Because Your City Council made. That decision was the old government. Must them in so that was a pretty explosive moment in the campaign. Really put Kamla. Created a lot of buzz around her campaign Christopher divine. How do you know? How does Biden. Say. How does he recover from that, but doesn't that sort of? Is that just the rough and tumble love of the political campaign and candidates can just get over that and sort of throw their arms around each other and say we're all sort of pitching for the same team so I forgive you. I think that's right Anthony. Joe Biden has been around politics for fifty years. He's been through presidential campaigns. He is used to having clashes and getting over them I'm sure he can put this behind him. I've seen others say well. The family was really hurt by this and they're blindsided. Whatever I think, Joe Buying components, big boy pants and get over this You know he's He has a a a pre existing relationship with a Harris so his late son Bo Biden. Who is the Attorney General of Delaware you know about a decade ago was serving at the same time as Colin Harrison she was Attorney General, California and apparently the gone real well Seems like that lasted into Joe Biden here says relationship, and obviously they've partnered on some things during this. Campaign or whatever you call the current. Political, moment, right, they've done some things together online so they they seem to have a good relationship, and for that matter turned back to Warren. That relationship has recovered to clash previously over things involving consumer, financial protection and back in in Days before she joined the Senate they seemed to be okay now. As far as we can tell, and often these choices do come down when you look at what presidential candidates say later on very often, they do point issues of chemistry or perceptions of loyalty and things like that. Those are the things that as much as we focus on the the credentials on paper. The total advantage is These are the things that are really hard to to see into from our perspective Although. There are a lot of influences from the Party and elsewhere on the selection. Ultimately it comes down to Joe Biden. The presidential candidate is comes down to their choice if they'd like to serve alongside during this campaign in for four or eight years in the White House Christopher divine. We're here now. A case for another candidate said to be on Joe Biden shortlist We're going to hear from Milton Kent he's. He's a professor of journalism at Morgan State University he's the host of w. y PR sports at large, and he's putting his money on representative Val demings of Florida as Joe Biden's best bet, you can find a link to his op Ed for the Baltimore Sun about why he thinks val. demings should be our next president on our website on point radio DOT Oregon Milton welcome to on point. It's great to have you. Know Anthony thanks for having me so tell listeners first of all VAL demings is in why you like as vice presidential pick. Okay well. Means, a two term congresswoman from the I guess what took from the Orlando area. She was former police chief of Orlando She was. I think sort of came to national prominence. During the impeachment trial. In the Senate where she was of the house, managers in was very forceful, very You know spoke up, very. Forcefully I about impeaching president trump I believe she was the only non attorney on the. Panel on that panel. I think she sort of rose to prominence in that regard. The reason I like her is sort of you know. There's multiple multiple reasons to Lakers a candidate I think. Her background is a former police chief. give her appeal to moderates and two Republicans. Who Might? Be on the fence about voting for a Democrat I think the fact that. And all that from to professor divine. Like College her ability to perhaps deliver Florida, or at least put Florida, and play and make the trump campaign have to use resources. to spend money down there. makes her really attractive in that regard I just think that. She also represents in representative. Brawley talked about this a little bit when when she was with with you. The African American, female vote The African American female voter is usually the most reliable voter in democratic panoply. And I'm not sure that that she speaking as as a model so to speak as ever really been represented properly in a in a in the elect electoral process I think the opportunity to the name someone who has credibility. And could possibly be president. say as read is is early as twenty twenty four should be attractive to Joe Biden. Talking can't let me ask you one question. You mentioned that Val demings former police chief. I think you would describe or perhaps I. Mean correct me if I'm wrong. as opposed to being a representative of the Progressive Wing of the Party. She's more moderate. But the fact that she comes with this law enforcement background given what's going on across the country around protests around racial justice and police brutality. Does that put her potentially out of step with this moment? Oh. There's a question and I. Think it's going to be challenged. I mean there are no perfect candidates, and I think she certainly going to have to work. to? Convince people particularly people of Color people who are involved in the black lives matter movement that she is a part of them, but she started an op. Ed in the Washington, post sort of throwing it right back at her former former rather than the police officer. Police Department, by asking bluntly. What the hell are you doing I think. She. I put it this way I think her credibility in that category Would certainly I'll just say this. I think that she would neutralise any argument that or at least. She would neutralize any argument. That Republicans might make about. the Democrats being on crime and. Basically if you're if you're a person of color, you're a person in the democratic circle. You have to ask yourself okay. She may not be perfect, but she better than what we have right and the answer to that would be an overwhelming. Yes, alright, well. Milton candies, a professor of journalism at Morgan State. University. He's the host of WIP. Our sports at large and he's putting his money representative. Val demings of Florida as Joe Biden best bet for Vice President Milton. Thank you so much for joining us today. We're very grateful. Thank, you yeah! I really appreciated hearing from you and listeners. We're talking about who should be. Who Should Joe Biden pick his running mate, Wyatt matters, and why it might not matter Christopher divine stick with us. He'll be back after the break I'm Anthony Brooks. This is on point. I'm Gregory Warner with NPR's rough translation, so there's a holiday in the Netherlands. Where every year thousands of white folks where black face some people trying to end that tradition, but in a very Dutch way you talk, you talk you talk you talk you talk until you reach consensus. Can you fight racism in a way that brings the whole country with you? That's on NPR's rough translation. This is on point. I'm Anthony Brooks tomorrow on the program. We're GONNA. 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Case for Val demings, and what you heard in his case and what you thought about it. Sure. What makes a good case of fresh CANTOS FOR FOR DEMINGS She has strengths as a candidate, and he points to some of those including her substantial record. with regard to policing matters also are high profile role in the impeachment process so know I think those are things that clearly have brought her to the attention. The American public have put her into contention even though she is less experienced than a lot of other people that were discussing so she was elected to the house in two thousand sixteen. She had tried to run for it before and not one election. Election she, also did not win election for mayor at one point, but she had served as police chief for three years, and had served for many years prior to that as a police officer so clearly someone who also great personal story behind all this would be a really compelling candidate in a lot of ways I think one thing that sticks out to me is how much the home state advantage looms large in these discussions you know when we think about for instance Frederick referring to her record I regard to policing matters even recently. She's been prominent in police reform efforts. So it's Comma Harris, so. Different types of experience, but in terms of that issue coming into play here you know other candidates would cover that as well I think what sticks out is that? While she has advantages could be matched by other candidates. What seems to put her head for for many people I don't WanNa put words, professor cans mouth, but I I think part of what I was hearing was that. The home state, advantage perception, and you know that makes a lot of sense in some ways, and there's a long tradition of blaming the United States again from the research that I've done on this I. Don't think that bears out. And it would point me toward people who could have similar advantages but you know without regard to the the the homestay issue So for example he wanted to look at other house. Members know one nine. That's really come up. In the last I guess couple of weeks, maybe as Ben Karen Bass. represented from California and she strikes me as a really compelling candidate. She's the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus She's been in the US House for ten years now she serves on. Committees and subcommittees dealing with issues of of national security, former speaker of the California state assembly so long a long solid experience in the political world. For and first black woman ever to serve as the leader of a state legislative body on the during the great recession, so on so. It's not to say that somehow wouldn't be a good choice, but I do wonder. If we if we throw out the home, state advantage perception and there's room for reasonable disagreement on that, but if we were to I, think you'd be hard. Pressed to look at the field of candidates and say that demings the best choice, I, I think you could look to others like for example Karen Bass or commonly, Harris, or perhaps Elizabeth Warren, and so on i WanNa talk about another name. WHO's very? Prominently Floated Stacey. Abrams has been talked a lot about as a good vice presidential pick for nearly nearly a year. She's also campaigning in a way for for the position since long before the primaries here she is on this program on point last August answering a question whether she'd be interested. In becoming Vice President I, certainly would any I. Don't want to be there. Those who advise me against saying that out loud, but the reality is of course. The works and I want to see for America. The Progress I wanted to see us make I would be honored to be the running mate of the Democratic nominee so. So that Stacey, Abrams talking last August on point, and I want to introduce Steve Phillips. He's the host of the podcast democracy in color with Steve Phillips in the author of The New York Times, bestselling book Brown is the new white how the demographic revolution has created a new American majority. He wrote an op Ed piece for the New York. Times about why Stacey Abrams should be Joe Biden's pick for vice president and Steve Phillips joins US now. Good to have you, Steve. Thanks for joining us. have. I'd love it I'd love to hear your case for Stacey Abrams. Yes what I the piece in the New York Times is I, looked at the actual electoral track records of the people who are talked about for the shortlist, and so people are looking at polling, which is predictive and you know by would say limited in that you'd. It's what people say might do in the future. If you look at these people have actually run statewide. You can see what their actual appeal and impact is an Abrams. A strongest areas were biden is weakest, and so particularly with young people has numbers with young people were in like nineteen percent of. Of the vote 'em in the in the primary process in number of different states, and then also in terms of African, American enthusiasm, and that he's probably GonNa get the lion's share, the African American vote, but what happened in two, thousand, sixteen, which you had big drop off in the number and the percentage of eligible African Americans who actually turned out to vote and out are part of that because they were uninspired, and and not motivated by that I'll always ticket, and so Abrahams did thirty points better than Obama did in terms of the eighteen to twenty nine year old. Vote she won that vote in Georgia. Obama lost that vote android. She went up by almost thirty points in no person in the history. This country has gotten. More African American votes as a percentage of the statewide population than Abrahams did except to get exception of Obama, so her track record is really without peer in terms of those critical constituencies that Biden is actually going to need. she is the former Democratic leader in the Georgia. House of Representatives of course, she ran for governor. She narrowly lost in two thousand eight. A lot of people feel that she should have won that. She's the leader of an advocacy group. Fair fight action focused on voting rights Steve Jobs. Let me ask you one question pushing back about Abrahams that I've heard raised She's clearly Charismatic creates lots of excitement, but She's a state room. She's a former state Rep. does she have the experience to be ready to step in on day? One and become president should sit. Should something happen to Joe Biden? Should he be elected president? I think it's fundamental questions of experience, but ultimately it's a question of in intelligence and talent. And one of the things that we're we're likely to have a similar situation with the if Biden wins as we had in two, thousand, eight, two thousand. We have a president walking into an economic catastrophe. We forget now that. Obama had very little experience in economics and finance, and that was not his background was not as track record, he had been a state legislator until just two years before when he ran for the Senate, but clearly I think we all look back and say that his intellect his talent is judgment enabled him to steward the country out of that crisis, and that's what Abrams brings a level of talent in judgment, and I would argue that those are the most fundamentally important factors in terms of being able to to help the country as well as through the factory. Talking about her I would argue. Shows hurt talent level. She's been able to build up. You know multi-million dollar voter voter, protection, organization, fair fight, and that's another example of her leadership, organizational skills and her abilities. Christopher Christopher divine, what do you think of Steve Phillips an argument for Stacey Abrams? I think it's a compelling case. Including in the the article is pleased to read that and and You know I certainly don't want to. Take on anything, but but just for some other thoughts to to throw in here With Let's say she clearly has an impressive record of experience in what she did. A as points to in the campaign was really impressive. And, also her role in the Georgia state legislature I mentioned earlier that experience is particularly important to voters, and in fact we show in the book that using gate from two thousand eight. At least a NC was mentioned the two thousand eight campaign I think he's right to point to experience issues. There's well perceptions of Palin or Biden's readiness to be president that really did influence how people perceived John, McCain or Brock Obama's. Judgment in particular So John McCain President I just want to clarify for listeners. John McCain picked the former governor of Alaska. Sarah Palin to be her. His vice presidential running mate, and that probably didn't reflect really I. It didn't end up reflecting well on his campaign. And we show in the book that. When people perceived her to be less ready to be president, they also perceived McCain to have a worse judgment, and also were more likely to say that he was too old to be president in intern is what we call indirect effects kind of shapes, the perception of the presidential candidate, and then it makes it affects how they vote. So those those folks became less likely to vote for McCain as as result in a Abrams this case as it. She has an impressive record of experience. It's. A thinner resume than other candidates that we're talking about or at least it's not as as extensive in terms of of of the types of service you know others who have served in a federal office or have had executive experience least government executive experience. So I think you can make the case for Stacey Abrams I'm not saying she doesn't have the experience. My point is though that I think by. Don't have to spend time making the case. There are others who we've discussed. You know I don't want to put on one person but Comma Harris or Karen, Bass or Elizabeth Warren, and so on where I think voters would immediately know that that they had the experience to be president in for someone who's a highest office was serving in state legislature, although it's a very important role within it. She leader and she did very. Very well in gubernatorial campaign I think by. Don't have to spend time making that case he could make it successfully. I'm not saying he couldn't, but he would have to spend time. persuading folks of that and you know it gets to what else about the record on paper versus the perception of it. There can be a gap between those Sarah. Palin by the way had more experience in office at at that point, then I believe Brock Obama by a couple of years, but also John Edwards who has chosen two thousand, four, a freshman senator and yet. Yeah I'm sorry yes. In John Edwards experienced wasn't really question in that campaign. There could be other factors at play here as well, but I think one of them is that he was basically the runner up in that year's presidential election, our president, assuming primary campaign, the Democratic primary and so auditioning for the role, I think affects perceptions of it again. I'm trying to make that distinction between are they qualified? I'm not touching that I'm talking about what people. People perceive them as qualified, and you know someone else who has more national exposure or is held national office of some sort. They probably have a leg up in that others. You can make the case, but you'd have to spend time. Making it I'm not sure that's how Biden WanNA spend the time. genders campaign Steve Phillips. Do you have a number two? If Not Stacey Abrams? Is there someone else that you're thinking about? Well, it was interesting just talking about before in terms of Karen Bass, and that her track record, and the what's interesting is in some ways she combines the progressive found a fetus that Elizabeth. Warren has along with the demographic appeal in reach of an African American woman, and so that actually very intriguing possibility in terms of what of what she would bring to the ticket if you don't. She only run in Los Angeles. We don't know what her actual. Electoral track record would be, but it is very intriguing. Addition to the to the list. Well Steve Phillips host of PODCAST DEMOCRACY IN COLOR WITH Steve Phillips. He's the author as well of the New York Times bestselling Book Brown, the new White, how the demographic revolution has created a new American majority Steve Phillips so much for joining us today. We're really grateful. For me on. Yeah, it was great having you Christopher Christopher divine. We've got a few minutes left. I want to come back to another theme, and that is how a vice presidential pick can sort of amplify the message and the profile of a presidential candidate rather than home, state, advantage or delivering a certain. Demographic it's that they kind of help, describe who the candidate is, and I'm thinking of Bill Clinton, for example thinking picking Al Gore young moderate son of the south, a new kind of Democrat. It helped sort of define who Bill Clinton was. Is there someone out there at this moment? That would do that for? Joe Biden or are we just in a different set of circumstances where that's not part of the part of the Calculus? That's a great question. Anthony and I think it points to the fact that they're really. A couple of different types of strategies simplified. At least you can double down on who you are, or you can try to balance out. Your weaknesses broadly speaking so. Most of the time we think about ticket balancing. Some of the examples that we've discussed here, especially Brock Obama Picking Joe, Biden, as his running mate in two thousand a we present some polling evidence in the book that clearly shows that what people demanded from Obama in a choice was was they wanted? Foreign policy experience in particular general experience, especially foreign policy experience in the guy that would Joe Biden and it seemed to work out really well again from other Evans, we present that seemed to enhance perceptions of Barack Obama's readiness to be president released would signal that he's GonNa. Pick people who would. Would surround himself with people who who would you know balance out this. Someone like Bill Clinton just kind of embraced that role pretty. Unusual. Way In just said yes. I'm a I'm a DLC moderate from the south. You know a boomer generation, and so on in picking someone Al Gore surprise a lot of people, but I think what it did was to reinforce the message that he had in his campaign about a new generation of democratic leadership, after some failed presidential campaigns prior that so on if we apply that to Joe Biden. He really has a choice to make. If you, WanNa make a stark choice in this regard, or we could try to split the difference here. does he want to double down on the moderate profile, relatively moderate profile that won him. The nomination apparently seems to be the case, or does he want to reach out to the left wing of the Party essentially the Bernie Sanders and maybe Elizabeth Warren Wing of the Party and you know. Know I think all of us can have reasonable judgments about that. They may differ, and they differ within the campaign but if he wants to reinforce moderate profile, he could pick a fella could pick them unlike Gina Raimondo or reference before the Rhode Island Governor, or he could pick someone clearly from the left wing of the Party like Elizabeth Warren We do show in the book. In terms of perception of the it's ideology that actually that the choice of a running may affects how people see you ideologically so here. We use some data from two thousand eight. That shows that if you thought for instance that. Sarah Palin is very conservative. then. There was about a thirty percent chance that you also saw. John McCain is very conservative and you saw as a moderate There was only about eight percent chance that you saw John. McCain is very conservative so biting. Push shift perceptions of his ideology with with this choice all right? Christopher, Christopher divine political science professor at the University of Dayton. He's CO author of the New Book Two running mates matter the influence of Vice. Presidential Elections Christopher. Thank you so much for joining us and helping us sort through what is clearly a big decision coming soon from Joe Biden thanks very much. Thank you very much. Anthony enjoyed the conversation. You can continue the conversation and get the podcast at our website on point radio dot org, and you can follow us on twitter. Find US on facebook at on point radio I'm Anthony Brooks this is on point.

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November 18, 2018: Trump AWOL from APEC & May's Brexit Backlash

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November 18, 2018: Trump AWOL from APEC & May's Brexit Backlash

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I'm Farid Sakaria. We'll begin today's show on the other side of the globe. World leaders have been meeting in Papua New Guinea this weekend, but one leader has been noticeably absent from this year's APEC summit, Donald Trump. Why isn't he there? Also, what in the world is going on with Brexit. We'll tackle all of it with a family. And the twenty eighteen midterms are over sort of. Now, it's time to learn some lessons and look ahead to twenty twenty. The big question should Democrats zig left zagged toward the center to be Donald Trump? We'll have a debate. Finally will put the art into artificial intelligence. Can you pick out which of these paintings was painted by a robot? Stay tuned to find out. But first, here's my take. It's easy to get distracted by the circus of the Trump presidency. We all do, but what is it's larger effect. Well for Nance at take a look at three gatherings this week on the other side of the planet attended by all the major Asian countries. The ASEAN and East Asia summits in Singapore. And the APEC conference in Papua New Guinea are particularly important because countries in the region are trying to navigate the seismic power shift taking place there the rise of China for this crucial. They understand the role of the wolves current superpower the United States, but the president of the United States is m I a. Donald Trump chose to skip the summits and send vice president Mike Benson is place yet China's president Xi Jinping Russia's Vladimir Putin and India's Narendra Modi all visited the Singapore. Papua New Guinea while Japan's Shinzo abeyance South Korea's moon, Jane traveled to both of persistent complaint from Asian countries has been that while the United States worries about the rise of China as Spence did in his speech at the summit. It is abandoning the field to Beijing. It does not take the time to attend meetings shape. The agenda shore up its alliances deepen its ties in the region. Trump's continue to lack of interest will only feed this fear. We're seeing the Trump effect in the retreat on trade in a shares. Well, the two mechanisms for greater prosperity Inc. That will moving toward completion in the region had been the Trans-Pacific Partnership and the regional comprehensive economic partnership Trump pulled America out of the TPP under. Mining the backs goal of giving Asian countries a stable or turn it off to a Chinese dominated system. And after twenty four rounds of negotiations for the RC EP which includes China momentum appears to have slowed Babs even stalled India's trying to protect its market from Chinese imports. Other countries are trying to keep India service industries out and everyone can take solace that this is all simply an echo of what the world's superpower. The United States is doing its own trade negotiations. I've said before and continue to believe that the Trump administration has a valid point about China's abuse of the global trading system, and it is right to get tough with Beijing. But it is grossly mistaken in it's instinctive opposition to trade in general repeatedly voiced by the President Trump said in July, if we didn't try we'd save a hell of a lot of money. This statement is simply false according to calculations by. The Peterson institute for international economics, the expansion of trade since nineteen fifty raised US GDP to the tune of two point one trillion dollars in two thousand sixteen that is the equivalent of a gain of seven thousand and fourteen dollars per person or eighteen thousand one hundred thirty one dollars per household. There are few ideas that have been as thoroughly tested through history as the notion that trade raises, the country's income and living standards. It can also have the effect of creating habits of cooperation even piece as it has done in Europe. And is it might help to do a show. American leaders understood that for decades until now in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight Ronald Reagan said in a radio address, we should be wear of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends. Weakening, our economy on national security and the entire free world all cynically waving the American flag. The expansion of the international economy is not a foreign invasion. It is an American triumph one. We worked hard to achieve and something central to our vision of a peaceful and prosperous world of freedom. The war go to CNN dot com slash free and read my Washington Post column this week, and let's get started. Let's keep the conversation going about a show today. Spaniel Kurt Campbell was president. Obama's assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific affairs from oh nine to thirteen. He now runs a strategic advisory group focused on show, Ronna global business columnist for the financial times and CNN's global economic analyst, and Ian Bremmer is the founder and president of Eurasia group, and the foreign affairs columnist for time magazine, Kurt let me start with you what you wrote a very significant article in foreign affairs in which you said that basically both sides of the I Republicans and Democrats had gotten China wrong. S- caused a lot of controversy. But what is the implication for US policy to China? I in a sense of you saying that what Donald from represents is the new normal a much tougher policy to a China. Thank you for it. I I would say I think the argument of the piece was more the conditions have changed. I actually think collection bipartisan group of strategists did follow the right strategy for decades. But that the course that China has chosen is quite different from what we had hoped for a long period of time. And now that requires us to have a fairly significant rethinking of what the strategic approach to the United States and other countries should be towards China. And arising Asia, the argument, however is very different from what the policy prescription that the president has proposed. What we need is a multifaceted approach that frankly involves participating in the. Kinds of summits and engagements that the president is missing this week, plus a multifaceted trade and diplomatic strategy that reminds Asians that the United States intends to play an important role in Asia for decades to come, Ian. You're just a nation. Is it your sense that they that? There are people beginning to feel we are entering a kind of you Cold War. There certainly is a growing concern about that. I mean, the notion that China as it's become wealthier is absolutely not going to politically reform, and they're going to start creating institutions that are not complementary with those of the United States, but rather are competitive that's a sense that not only the Americans and the Europeans have. But also Singaporeans Indonesians Malaysians people on the ground very concerned that the US might not be as committed to them, but very concerned their future in under Chinese umbrella is a problem, and there's no. Question that in technology space. China is developing an alternative internet alternative AI system. And that feels increasing like a Cold War with the United States. The question is on trade, and whether President Trump is really planning to squeeze the Chinese and work on executing an implementing a new normal between the two countries or whether it's going to meet with them a couple of weeks and say, hey, we got some money. I'm a president. He's a president where the two adults. Here's our new deal. Like he tried to do with the North Koreans in Singapore. I could easily see Trump doing the latter noth- for and run a UCLA building on this idea of the future actually entering kind of tripolar world with going to be a Europeans fear on Americans fear, and essentially a Chinese -ation sphere. I think that's right. I think you can see it already happening. It's been happening since the US China trade conflict began as an says China's really developing an entire digital ecosystem that it will lead. But they'll be other countries Asiya nations. Make some Middle Eastern nations that will come into that. But I spoke to Chinese venture capitalist who told me he doesn't expect to be able to be allowed to make deals in the US anymore to invest in you. But that's okay, because he sees China as a kind of US market post World War Two. It's big enough. It can grow on its own the big question. I think this goes to both points is how will the US in Europe engage, particularly around digital trade. Because frankly, that's where the vast majority of the growth is are we going to come together? They're going to be alliances made or is that going to become bifurcated as well. And I think that would mean very bad things with you about could for briefly before we we take a break ins question there really does seem to be a division at the administration. They're the dealmakers who say let's scare China and get a better deal. And then there are people who feel like beater Navarro? No, we need to actually fundamentally have a break decouple with China disentangle this economically interdependent relationship, which do you think will prevail? I wish it was just as easy as two groups. I actually think it's more multifaith. Faceted. There's definitely group that says if China buys more stuff from the United States, Boeing jets ranching products farm stuff that we can resettle accounts a bit and the president can tout those as examples of his leadership. There's another group that says, no, it'll it needs to be deeper structural forms, China, discarding twenty twenty-five, and allowing more American technology and other firms engagement honest and fair engagement in China. And then there's even a third group. That says no what we really need to do is disentangle are commies in the United States has to go about its business independent from China. I'm I'm kind of where Ian is though. I think each of these groups vie for attention with the president. The president is the ultimate decision maker. What's fascinating about the China relationship is that the relationship between our two. Has never been more complicated and more complex, but fundamentally the institutions that have been tasked for decades to manage the relationship have never been less influential. Ultimately, every major decision in the China relationship is made by two men, president Xi Jinping in China and President Donald Trump in the United States, both of whom shares some fascinating commonalities, they're impatient. They tend to be skeptical sometimes of advice, they get from people beneath them, and they both believe demento early in their ability to make decisions under pressure. So frankly, the most important bilateral meeting, we have seen between the United States and China is about to take place in a couple of weeks. And anyone knows what the outcome will be don't go away. When we come back. We're going to talk about the wild week across the pond what is next for Britain, Greg zip and Theresa. Semaine when we come back. 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No. I mean, finally, we have something that everyone in the UK can agree upon which is they all don't like this deal. You know? And the fact is that the UK and prime minister may is a really untenable position. Which is she's trying to act domestically as if she can get a better deal than the status quo, ante that is actually not possible. And she's trying to negotiate as if she's an equal when you've got the fifth largest economy negotiating against the world's largest common market, economic superpower. Which is not prepared to give them the deal that they used to have anything remotely close to that. So she can spin it domestically. But as the rubber hits the road, especially because there's not a sense of impending crisis. There's not a sense of falling off a cliff that whether it was at the the razor edge at the end when there was a Greek potential exit from the euro zone and then facing depression. So nothing's forcing the political players in the UK to have to compromise. Everyone's still playing politics the way that you know, sort of George Osborne and Cameron David Cameron did when they put the referendum fourth in the first place. So where we are right now is she's going to face all. Likelihood of no confidence vote which she could win or lose. But this deal that she's put forward for fourteen hours. Looked like oh, they've made progress they've made no progress whatsoever. But what that means in his basically would Britain is looking for is access to the European market on roughly the same terms, they had in the, of course, saying, of course, you can't get that the whole you only get that. If you're a full member. So either this the government will have to fall or it seems to me they'll have to be a second referendum, but this no prospect that they can get the deal that they fantasizing about guy. I think that there is a prospect that in fact, the most likely outcome here is that there is a vote of no-confidence Theresa mate wins. It though barely she then has a year where they can't have another such vote and she puts forward a slightly tweaked deal, but it gets to be truly towards the end of negotiating where suddenly the British market. Feels like it's going to implode if the UK doesn't support if the parliamentarians don't. Support. And that's the way you ultimately get a deal done, but you have to create urgency. Sometimes they say you need a problem you wanna fix it. You need to make it bigger. That's precisely what needs to happen in the UK if you wanna get from here to exit procedure, but all of this brings up actually yoyo column, which is the world is actually moving toward de globalization that when you look at Brexit, you corporates beginning to disentangle you've seen in the US China relationship supply chains coming home. It's interesting a lot of CEO's I speak to are kind of in a period of willful blindness. I guess about this. I think that there really is cognitive distance because we've had forty years of the global economy working in one particular way, all that's changing right now. I agree with ends analysis of what's going to happen. When Brexit I think it's very possible that you're gonna see the UK go into a period of renegotiation. But if you think about it again from Europe's perspective, and in particularly German, Germany's perspective, they can't afford to let more countries fall out of the union, which is already Frank. Pretty precarious. We've seen Italy have had a populist election. I think that the rules of the game are changing. But that the heads of these nations the global elite and the business community are waiting to see who blinks first who's gonna move their supply chain. Everybody's talking about it is the European Union survive. We're all in doubt. I think ultimately until you get real political cohesion you're gonna have economic and certainly market volatility. Could what does this look like from Asia? They're looking at Europe the looking at the United States, and what did they seem at such a critical period when the lion share of the history twenty-first-century is now clearly going to be written in Asia. When Asians look at the west look at the United States in Europe. And certainly what's going on now in Brexit and the follies in Washington, the disharmony and the disunity is terribly anxiety provoking in. Every capital nation. I think what it does it causes those countries to think I've got to get my best deal with China. And I've got to think more about my neighborhood because these countries that have played such a large role in helping shape our environment through trade through institutions in through defense. They're not as reliable in the future as they have been in the past fascinating code Campbell. Ian, Bremmer, Sean pleasure. Have you all on? We will have you back for next up. 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Billions of nail a Macron supporter in the building entrepreneurs home pitches, and marketing strategies, Facebook and Microsoft are both launch programs working with startups there. So is stationed f the Silicon Valley of Paris, we asked its director Roxanne Varzideh. I think station f a lot of people think it looks very much like Silicon Valley because we have a high density of startups. We have a lot of startup kind of ecosystem based on campus, but we don't necessarily want to be compared to valley. We like to think that what's happening here is very unique. And also very unique to what's happening in the ecosystem in Europe. So what is happening in the startup ecosystem in Europe London is still the tech hub. But post Brexit, France may have an opportunity to catch up after his election crawl announced an eleven billion dollar fund for innovation. He bass tax labor reforms designed to help businesses and make it easier to hire workers, he launched a new tech visa and has courted tech investment. And there are signs of growth in twenty seventeen French venture capital firms raised three point two billion dollars from. Just five hundred ninety six million and twenty fourteen and the found is station f want to build companies that can harness that new money. One of the companies hosted at station is led by two American entrepreneurs Binda Jami, and Jean gloat startup connects you office, computer training to poor communities, including migrants and refugees in France, it even a cohort of students to code and works to place them in jobs. What we saw was that they were quite a few short term solution to the question of integration, but not necessarily a plethora of long-term solutions. And so when we look at what really impacts integration and the long-term particularly care and Europe, it's access economic opportunities access to jobs. And of course, there are many fringe entrepreneurs working station f as well. Take our no Len gli of Banda guide. He's developing a headset. That uses a camera in artificial intelligence to guide the blind. He shed with us a video simulation crew. Created for investors of what he hopes the final product will look like the computer vision equipped headset would be able to recognize objects and transmit that information to the user through vibrating headphones. Robotics engineer, lend late came up with the idea after talking to a friend who was blind suffered a fall on train platform. I wasn't wondering, oh, why are we building out with cow? Why are we sending robots tomorrow's, and why are we done creating things for the Brian in? 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The left-leaning party picked up more than thirty seats in the house of representatives to give it a majority in that chamber in the Senate, the Republican still hold a majority, of course. So the questions what should Democrats do to learn from and build on the successes in twenty twenty should the body electrify and embraces diverse base or should it veer to the center and us pickup? Wade would independence and never Trumpers to joining me. Now to discuss a Steve Phillips, a former politician himself now also civil rights leader, and the founder of democracy in color and beat a bind as contributor to CNN and the Atlantic and a professor of journalism at CUNY of Beata. Let me start with you and ask you to just try to give us the overall picture because it does seem to me. It's a little bit mixed. You can read it whichever way you want the Democrats do about as well in terms of seat gain. It seems as in two thousand and six most of the districts in the country moved left the times did one of these massive graphic surveys. And they point out the average district move ten percent left. But then when you look at it, you see that if you compare to the the gains that they made in two thousand and six of when the Iraq war was very unpopular. Second term, George W Bush. It was not as impressive in terms of this overall rightward shift I would love to shift, and when you compare it to the Republican gains in in the election of twenty ten after Obama and healthcare it's nowhere. Nearly as impressive the Republican gained the average seat in America went nineteen percent to the right compared to ten percent of the left. So what's what's the sort of overall picture? The overall picture was the Democrats did a good job of mobilizing their base. But donald. Trump also did a reasonable job of mobilizing his base. Which is that Trump is is not a fluke. Donald Trump who I think is a horrific. President does have a capacity of to to scare and mobilize rural particularly white voters. And he brought those people out enough to save the Senate for Republicans. Steve UCF, I think more positively right? Yes. Fundamentally that it's important to begin recognizing that this president has never enjoyed what Jorgi support in this country. He lost the popular election by three million votes. He did not even get fifty percent in the three states. They gave him the election. So he's never made any attempt to govern in the interests of the majority of people what you saw was the beginning of a wave really of people who are bearing the brunt of the attacks of this president standing up and fighting back and winning all across the country. And so it's not a complete victory. But it's a strong affirmation that the there is majority that has all different vision from what this president's pursuing, and it was finally manifested in the electoral polls last week pita when you look at it. I think the big question is was Nancy Pelosi strategy the right one I think is fair to say the Nancy Pelosi set out a very clear strategy, which is we are not going to make this about. Trump. We're not gonna make it about impeachment. We're not going to even go into the issue the issues that that Trump wants us to like immigration. We're going to talk about our issues that are more in a sense centrist in the sense that they're practical concerns people have about the economy about jobs about healthcare, and such did that work eight absolutely worked. I mean, the the problem is the Democrats had to win to retake the house a lot of districts that either voted for Donald Trump or were historically Republican district and in those districts talking about impeaching Donald Trump wouldn't have worked them didn't talk a lot about the Russia probe at all. In fact, in those districts people want more civility now that may be a pipe dream in the era of Donald Trump. But they actually wanted people to be able to go and get things done. Even now, even with Donald Trump is president and what Nancy Pelosi shrewdly understood was that the issue of health care and maintaining pre existing conditions against the Republican. Effort to repeal ObamaCare wasn't issue. The Democrats could run on in the most blue district and the most purple and even the most red districts, and that was very very shrewd strategy. But Steve you say if you look at the math, and you say this New York Times piece do the math the Democratic Party needs to move left not center. Well, it's fundamentally about what is the vision of the country in what is the priorities and the values in which groupings, and so we're we live in a country. Now where the president is dates is trying to roll back the progress this country has made towards greater inclusion in quality and are higher set of values based upon diversity ULA. Misogyny racism xenophobia are hallmarks of this presidency in. So the question is are you going to unequivocally stand up against that some in the majority to your side or some people Democratic Party feel like you have to kind of accommodate. Eight and try to do a lowest common denominator strategy feed. I suppose the argument that that Steve is making his that. They're actually a lot of push Wade Ables left in America where two tribes and the Trump is very good at bringing out his drive, and the Democrats should be better bring out that right? I don't eat highly agree with that. I mean, there may not be that many persuadable, but in a very in a country, that's very very split. Those people are still really important. I think a big part of the reason Donald Trump one was he reversed the Republican party vision on free trade, and he didn't talk at all about privatizing social security and Medicare and those that helped him ten percent of people who had voted for Bernie Sanders. Democrats have to win those people back, and they can do it. I think above all by saying that Trump was a fraud. He promised you a kind of economic security, and in fact, what he's doing is pursuing the same old Republican economic policies that make your life more difficult and that works for voters of every different race and gender fascinating conversation, which will continue and we'll continue on this program in the months ahead. Thank you. Both. Up next from Tito to Milosevic, burn Avik, how Serbia and also Doxa nation with a history of being led by strong men came to be led by a gay woman. Fascinating story when we come back. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Xeni optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home, Xeni dot com with the latest trends in eyewear available in hundreds of frames styles materials. 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They were commissioned by gum gum, an artificial intelligence company with a focus on computer vision alongside researchers from. Rutgers University one of these six art works was not painted by human being gum. Gum was interested in how closely I could come to replicating the human creative process. So can you guess which painting was the work of a robot? If you pick the last you will correct. This is cloud. Painter painting robot developed by American artists bender van Arman, the machine scammer takes a photograph of a subject to paint and using AI techniques. Facial recognition deep learning. The computer begins to put paint on the canvas with the help of algorithms. Clyde painted creates an original composition, and it is not simply painting preplanned brushstrokes like three D printer would the robot watches its work and changes direction as the painting develops drawing inspiration from other images and paintings much like a human artist would so is art created by a robot still Art Van Arman says for now his robots capable artistic assistance, but they may make art independently humans in the not too distant future. The answer to my GPS challenge. This week is eight the European Commission announced the EU should forego mandatory seasonal clock changes starting next year. And online survey ordered by the European parliament received an unprecedented. Four point six million responses with eighty four percent of respondents in favor of ending the bi-annual clock change the commission, presented a formal proposal to the bottom and individual countries will have the choice of staying in some rural wintertime zones permanently as for California. It isn't the only state to want to abandon daylight saving time. But state lawmakers eventually congress will need to approve the switch before these time changes are officially history. Thanks, all of you for being part of my program this week. I will see you next week. Before you go. We wanted to let you know that we just launched the ability for anyone to advertise on CNN podcasts. You're just a few clicks away from reaching millions of people in a way that you never have before advertise. We're a business event or kickoff in awareness campaign for your brand start today at pure winning dot com slash CNN, integrating podcast into your marketing. Mix has never been easier. Go to pure winning dot com slash CNN to get started.

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