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Episode 24: Kenny Olson

You Really Shouldn't Have

26:07 min | 9 months ago

Episode 24: Kenny Olson

"Hello welcomes you really shouldn't have joining me on this episode is Guitarist Kenny Olson. We discuss his career playing alongside kid rock as a member of the twisted brown trucker band, and of course, as a ways we find out the worst gift ever been given. Kenny is great to have you here. Thanks so much for joining the show. Thank you grab. I wanted to go right back to the beginning to start with and was musical ways part of your early life growing up. Yeah. I mean I. Think it It shows me. You know at a pretty young age I was pretty lucky to have. You know a lot of access to a lot of good music in in my household musicians in a family. Of. Friends neighbors and grown-ups in. Detroit Motown, all that motown and Detroit. Rock city. All funk, the RV, the blues, Jazz, all history, the genealogy troy punk seeing. Try You know MC fires. Away the other. MOTOWN's brothers all that stuff I was around my whole life and UB. Even lived Ron. Some of those people they said when I was a little kid, you know when Foxy Lady I came in was. Not actually a single to like nineteen, seventy-three, you Jimmy Pass, and seventy. Think. That's about when the song actually hit radio and. Run around the house was a little kid you know. Get out of the bath whatever you know you're located you take off clothes and run around. acceded. So. The Cali might it came at a very young age there Any better sense. So so when did you first I'll playing guitar. Really. I think a my dad. You know he has left hand of he played and he does that not around and I. I remember one day he came home to he says that to US Market Tar is guitar and I had her over friends Saas but. I got my First Electric Guitar. Is. Probably, about ten. I had a little paper out my soul the. One of my bikes. They will bike some stuff like that today. Sows and things and took my paper out money and and Tar. Good friend of my dad's a gave me an old sixty, five, hundred, Princeton review amplifier. Ahead a little fender Mustang from the late sixties that Kinda jump my whole love for vintage guitars as well that old sound. So that I guess that was another blessing that came my way at a young age. Sad. which is finding that true tone kind of saying and then. Allow that kind of one away for a while and I was able to. Be exposed that vintage real organic analog kind kinda sounded I. became part of I guess Glantz and I just Yeah I remember I used to take a kept at took that same Radio Flier paperboard wagon and I'd put that old to banff on that saying walk in. My House by Electric Guitar one hand toting the Radio Flyer Wagon and Just. Kinda just jumped in with both feet. Let's Take ever since I was that age I. Knew what I wanted to do and. And I don't really think it's a it's a Become a part of me having Guitar started as you know, wanted to play guitar and sing and everything, and I actually started playing drums when I was in grade school but then I switched to guitar. And I found. My voice was Senate like somebody's amazing in arm be legends like Gladys Knight Reza Detroit shock always different mini Richardson all these rates singers that I always loved where they sang but I could never knew is accurate same tap but I wanted to know what it felt like to get that holy ghosts note in that out of body experience and So I am elated singers like on guitar as far as even learn how to play guitar, and then when I got a miles Davis pitches grew a neighbor of mine was a DJ sold his albums a demonstration after-sale and Mike it's teacher laying miles Davis and I was like on ten or eleven. So here I'm like, oh I want to buy this factor and I couldn't figure out. You know it was pretty intricate such little guitar parts that stuff going on but I can listen to the horn line and just kind of melted. Was it in a lot of that long with the British invasion you know with all the great music. that. That Detroit sound that was a lot of my beginnings and all that. Now I know you've been longstanding view career with the twisted brown trucker band back in their kid rock. So I wonder how came about how how did that stop? Well, I'd I'd moved to you know from from Detroit to La in the. Late eighties early nineties was kind of back and forth to Detroit earthquake in Northridge hit ninety four and I had nowhere to go back to in La and they condemned the farm that was living in because all the damage. So I was back in Michigan and Bob Kid rock tonight we knew each other for years prior to that he had gone to you is in New York Joel, and at his record with Jive stood his thing I was in la we're both young guys out of Detroit got some breaks when we were younger but then I came back and I guess it was ninety five's him night join forces did the put together to twisted Brown trucker band Blah Blah. And we signed to Atlantic records is. Ninety, six, Ninety, seven, ninety, six. Ninety seven. Four we knew it like it just did devil out of 'cause he just went into the studio. Overthinking, anything just risks disrobe songs. Next thing we'd do it. In. We. Had An album the sold thirteen fourteen copies years later. But you know it was But it wasn't. Remember when. We first signed that deal and stuff and made the records that who would ever think. We'd have analysis go down histories one of the best selling debut albums of all times and. Follow up that we went to in obviously cocky album. subtitled, not live out. There is a history rock album C. which was more much ol- stuff's at. In prior Step Lula's so that really wasn't a record that we witnessed studio and recorded. deviled out 'cause the first one cocky would have been the second you know really studio album. And you know that one, you know it's the songs like picture and all that we do Sheryl. Crow and we had great success out as well and a self titled Alive Album and. Enough to keep was quite busy touring. Imagine a touring there. I wonder what your memories were from your time out on the right during that period. As well what I can remember. It all it all came like a a blur I mean obviously I, I do. Have many moments that I feel very blessed and cherished. You know I'll never forget walk out on stage when we played woodstock, which really was something that really blew out of the water. After that performance but you know walk out and is almost five thousand people just. Just out there in that says, there's no no head rush. No high does nothing like. Just walking out with Gitari your extension just. You know. How and So moments like that allow tours. Big things we did. Did I think he could ever really dreamed about that. You never really thought you would do and there are some a lot of crazy stories. Some are Jeez I don't know if we want to tell. You know the success we had led to a lot of cool collaborations that we had so many amazing people that were came on board and in on at the same time same time. As that heiress when I started doing the experience Hendrix tour as well with Billy Cox Mitch Mitchell automobiles, they'll get all of amazing artists. At, let's working lot of greats like Paul Rodgers Buzi Talents. Shock. Con I did some. Power Soul record we. Got That kick started and bowel hendrix wanted on. Me and hurt a Redo little wing and so we did a lot of. Of Cool. opportunities. It's just In a really I was quite a blessing in a lot of people that have asked me to play on their records. That are some that are here. Some that are gone. It's. You know it's I definitely. Grateful for. What the worst gift you've have been given the worst kissed in one site inflicted upon myself. Back in Bay when Song let it gave you bottle something for your birthday and yeah. necessarily. Do it moderation and then ruined the following day, which was actually versa backing the touring days. Kid Rock. Did you guys play a lot of pranks on each other like on the right? That we There was. A lot of friends who you I mean when you travel that much. Same people. In, a start getting a little antsy under road to a little bored you start messing with each other because. It's only the same people on the bus so and they had to have a tough skin seriously with a bunch of grass guys. That were we pick either but it was more the new more than New People that will come along Beckley. You know 'cause we'd have different Bax than we had the core core that have been there. Especially mean cracker that were there from the beginning of the two strong is saying and. Jimmy. Came along and then Jason Stephanie and. So there was the core of US wants there. We were really bad. We've refine with each other as far as. The hazing but we'd have like maybe some different singers just in different people come along and they would definitely. Fall victim of it because it was it out I. Remember I remember one of our background singers we're party line. Long the lake. at backs back to some venue. And She asked what late name of the lake was. Lake Badger. In she didn't take anything of it since she's like calling family Oh. Yeah. We're on this beautiful lake Lake. You know, and then we're leaving that night and. You know she Is that same violates? Aj. My tour manager was like, what did you just call it late segue badgers who told you that? Of course it was. ME. I wanted to touch on. Josie. If you don't mind because I know he was a big part of the live experience or kid rock during the time that he he was playing with you when he was with us. Yeah Oh. Yeah. veges little smokey. Joe. I wrote A. Novel after called. Snatches will smokey Joe. He you know it was amazing because he. When we first met him. News backstage at a show a few days later, somebody brought him over to one of River's okay and and I thought he was six years old. In A and ever crack you're looking over be like all. Candidates remember because after we got done playing I kind of. Get. The whole just what's that? He was a twenty seven year old man would note had axes because he stopped growing six I wasn't I just thought it was the sky and his kid at a rehearsal. and. Then I see like going along the lyrics like Qasim Saints. Will swear word. Off. Pulls out a joint hits no dislike. Than I found out later on that shortly after that during that rehearsal that you know in this getting domes shallow Scorpio's and JOE's out, he became definitely family like a little brother to the I remember a funny thing right around that same time period when he started doing shows Labus. Buddy Champ town at a flyer. So it's like a postcard flyer. Any head Joseph posing with these two strippers in on this post. So when they went to have the film developed people call the police instead they thought it was like. Some kind of like. With the child some kind of thing. Is Not, at home, they get a phone call like can't turn on the news. That's like what in a show this little previous preview of what's coming up in the news new like on. A CHILD PORNOGRAPHY BUSTER NOT IN A. And of course, I see Joe and I'm like this is going to be alright. So they get him on the news and they say you know they started talking about Josie and how is twenty one years old whatever but how this was a mixup in this photo saying and he's religious cuss like every every other words I. E me. Twenty. Toyota. that. It. was never a dull moment with Joe. And he had the biggest heart you know showing he just loved people but he He. had. A Pretty pretty in an all I I. Don't know I mean but it was summer like Joe Maze and Casino he had His life expectancy was only. You know when he was six years old is when he came up to. Celia disease and I says expect maybe fourteen years old. that he got to see the world and made it till. He's twenty six years old. It was It was pretty amazing. Absolutely. Absolute- to see his his dreams come true I remember. We were playing woodstock. You know you had hendrix wig on the dig after a WIG and. The surreal moment 'cause I'm standing behind amp playing the star spangled banner while he's playing Air Guitar to it. and. Jimi Hendrix sister. Walks right up to the rights on getting ready to honor. She's I. got you know this when I I. You know her and Eddie Kramer in Germany about the play the Star spangled banner Walkout on stage saying I'm not plinking midget it on his road sharp. You've got gotTa White. Shirt. This road I you know I'm not a blanket midget. There also started playing the star spangled banner and he walks out. Before I'd actually walked out, we did the INTRO. mini-me was right there too. He was right. Decide there's very surreal. Cool Mobile. Those are moments I can't you could never. Had Him I had Scott Page on a while back and he was telling me about Thinki- ex page. I know you're also Pov. So I, wondered about your experiences with that project pretty it's pretty amaz and It's. A Dream Band I mean I would steve. Perkins and drums is always the one of my favorites. Dear old friend and Norwood Fisher, and I go. Way Way back as well, and he's been in a like a brother to me brothers well, and Scott. Gauge. Start working with Norwood. In Steve. And and then they brought me in tab. Through 'cause all knew each other we started doing. Scott, and I I I show you two and a half years ago. Might have been I might what was. The name, the couple name shows to pursue three years ago three years ago. Maybe I could be wrong but it's gone very fast but. I've been flying out to la like almost every monster lasting enhance. The shows of them out there, and we did which would have passed last summer and has great shows that we've done some recording. We really had a lot of momentum going on for this. This year got shut down and we were. Going from every, we have so many shows that we were coming over to US guys were. Can Be. In. Moscow we're talking about. Budapest again, we're supposed to be going to Italy resuscitate agrees and. So it's been. Really, well, received and people are. Loving the show, the whole immerse experience and. Being a ban with you know all those guys know we got Derek Gay and Roberta. Sometimes, gowdy plans and plays as. We've had. Some other Mazen special gases while Shankar Island. Did like play with Peter Gabriel and all that. It's not it's not really A. It's a pretty unique. Performance in the you know you couldn't ask for better ban I mean I. Go on stage those guys are looking on stage. And we always look each other our accomplishments everybody we played with men were also up there together and I'm looking forward I mean the sky's the limit was Dr Kenny I'm a big Fan of the simpsons I have to ask about your experience of the simpsons because I know that you have your own simpsons character starred in it. Yeah, it was that was pretty wild. It was it was so funny too is I never we'RE A. Santa Sunset. Marquee and An. Hollywood in some of the artists that. since we are on METALLICA. Remember. Fudge the guys in the band myself. Jerry Cantrell Zach shooter Jennings Bachelors or hanging out. With. These guys that are solicitors they brought some photocopy some drives. The sketches of me and I got one with Josie in Kaiser home at honor, and then they had different wants that they didn't use that were sketches and gave me those that gave that. I'm one of those frames for them search family. But it was it was really cool and I. I remember telling my mom I met guys I gotta drying out. So Zach Christmas I'm on. Went Home Visit, my folks got this big frame with wrapped up and I'm like. What sets and I open it in the original drying a one. That my mom's somehow it's your friend versus always get it. In. A getting a phone in find connection whatever and. My met my mom actually got on the phone in Matt. GROENING's got kicked out of the fact that. KINROSS GUITAR PLAYER SINCE MOM call. So he actually. said the same frame everything to my mom my mom talked on. Incredible. And I was like sitting like on my so she goes yeah, I, became I've met. Matt is the supposedly the man like mom he's checking to. Korea is these. Macaroni is like the man? He's the creator everything. She goes while he thought it was cool that Kid rock mild guitar bombs trying to. Get the Steno. A so you gotTA. Send like a little saying my mom. So sure canny in was framed and. Professionally, framed in everything. That's incredible is really bad. So I. was was. I chair set at. Something that just because I got my with my mom. Pulled that off just being. Immoral. You know as. As a simpsons character is pretty cool. So Kenny wrapping up if you got to go right back to the beginning of your musical career and get yourself a gift to help you get where you want. Now, give you give yourself the best part of this whole life I've had been the journey, not the the outcome. It's been just the journey to get there and everything in between which the. Thank. Chris. Solan substances than somebody in outside. So there's not really. Which I. Really to change that much. You know have to be afraid to because it might have affected the whole. Outcome I mean, I've had A. Lot of highs and lows. In this career, I mean I've. The. Heisman high and the lows have been even lower. I've had You know. The industry in. And it's evil ways to reasons for why side to leave in quits the band. and. Slot there's a lot of. UPS and downs. I would see if you could go back. Is. Certain. Things I definitely would have maybe changed in but. If I would've done I wouldn't be. Like it's like you and I are talking nagging right now and hopefully get to hang some more and. K. I'm dying to get out of here and get over the UK. I Love I love coming there place. Probably. One of my favorite places to play and play all those historical places especially like London like there I'm dislike. Because I was like I said I was so. majorly influenced by the whole British invasion in that area and even in the late sixties seventies Care that came out of the late seventies, early eighties and. It's Over there just. Some so cool about playing like these old legendary venues for your venue. Needs some of the locals they start telling you who played year to this at suck you just. Want to embrace letter Robbins in. A soak into your wires air. And There is so much in the UK I just love. Is Love can find. Can people find out more about you what you day? Well, I've got. A new website is being developed right now. This. I had been updated in quite some time. But that's GonNa be really really cool because I've got hundreds of songs that are GonNa be a better than anything. I've ever released kid rock that have not been released. I'm going to be releasing that got. Of doing a documentary as well with some amazing legendary people. Unfortunately. A lot of the people were supposed to part of his record are passed on. I mean, we do have some sessions with some of those people but saw making doing that album doc slash documentary making a new record myself. Obviously the Thinki- XP Geyser to install always collaborating with all kinds of people so. I think. That has far as people go like I said everything's being all. updated. Right now to where I gotta get back in the Times I, gotTa get learn how to do all this information grants. I'm kind of I'm kind of old school. Slowly learning all this stuff but I know that I have to especially now I've got a major fire Leonard might ask this Kobe thing. 'CAUSE now. Okay. So. Used to playing shows, we can go into recording studio now we all be right so that it's okay. Now we've got these young kids that I'm here I produced records for people as well and I've got. Kids the same age is kids come over and show me how to even work to dancing and I'm the one who's supposed to been. This recording artist all these years unlike this total. Idiot. computer on what now what's the and they decide it's really easy I'm like, no, it's not. Kenny you great to have you on the show. Thanks so much coming by. Now, thank you for having me I. Really appreciate it and I look forward to. Hanging in. The UK. ASEF. So through anybody's listening that. Wants to get this Thinki- XP or whatever. Thanks, again, police things capitulated. Have the shortest subscribe to us on your chosen Paul Surveys to make sure you never miss other episode can also find us on twitter and instagram at. One of those online at Brag gives hot or cold. International Podcast Day is September thirtieth, and you can help spread the word you may be asking what can I do to get involved? It's pretty simple head over to international podcast day DOT COM, and check the suggestions. 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2020 Election, Gov. Phil Scott, and Vermont History

The Dave Gram Show on WDEV

1:31:57 hr | 1 year ago

2020 Election, Gov. Phil Scott, and Vermont History

"From radio vermont it's the dave graham show on wwl tv. It's your show about the people places and the issues that that matter the most to you now. Here's your host dave graham actually hosting the dave graham show today while dave is away on vacation is former vermont governor. Jim douglas good morning good morning dana. How do you get a vacation or just yes i do. Oh yeah. I had my vacation a little earlier this summer. It was wonderful. It was a great day. I'm sure it was yeah back. After lunch i radio vermont personnel policies <hes> well great to be with you this morning and <hes> we've got a jammed pack show oh so i wanted to get to it in just a just a moment but let me tell you what's coming up <hes> in our first half hour. We're going to talk with the professor matt dickinson middlebury college. He's a presidential scholar. He's written widely he blogs regularly and <hes> he follows the presidential campaign trail quite closely so that'll be an interesting discussion and <hes> in the second half hour. We're going to talk with lindsay. Curly who's the newly anointed and appointed secretary of commerce and community development <hes> she has been the labor commissioner for the first couple and a half years of governor scott's administration so we'll talk with her about her new beat and then at <hes> after the ten o'clock news. We're going to hear from his excellency himself. Governor scott will be with us in studio to talk about <hes> oh the recent legislative session not to reason i guess but the most most recent season one and his priorities and how things stand with our state and we'll wrap it up with steve perkins in the last half hour. He's the director of the vermont. Historical society heidi is doing a fine job there and a lot of exciting things happening as we study and learn about our past so let's kick it off with the professor mad dickinson. I'm from middlebury college mad good morning good morning. Well thanks for being available this morning and in a sense i guess it it seems awfully early early to be talking about the twenty twenty cycle i sometimes envy my canadian friends who have much briefer campaign seasons but but of course it's good for political. Scientists is right to have a lengthy campaign season so so here we are and i'm interested in your perspective. At this point. <hes> the democrats are out there there <hes> campaigning around the country <hes> i know you've attended some of their rallies in our neighboring state. That's the advantage of the convenience of the first in the nation primary next door. You're so give us a sense of <hes> the field now and and how you see it unfolding well it is early and that means we have to be somewhat somewhat cautious in interpreting this signals that political scientists reliant to try to take <hes> some measure where the race stands and obviously polling is a a crucial one but also endorsements and and money raised with that caveat <hes> you know the indicators suggest nationally <hes> that joe biden remains remains the front runner <hes> and then there's a couple of candidates splitting the what we might think of as the progressive wing of the democratic party and that of course is your former yeah well i guess current <hes> vermont colleague <hes> bernie sanders senator sanders and of course elizabeth warren from massachusetts <hes> and they're splitting you know biden. Biden is <hes> pulling about a third of the vote maybe less nationally and <hes> warren and sanders splitting about forty percent between them <hes> roughly fifteen to twenty each but of course the races and run nationally. It's ron quench and as you point out i've been fortunate enough to to go next door to new hampshire and attend some rallies there and i think the biggest <hes> and perhaps the most important <hes> point here is that the democratic party itself i think is searching for <hes> some sense of where it is ideologically and in terms of policy and in terms of generation <hes> and so it's really a fascinating process seeing how each of these individual candidates out on the campaign stump frames their messages <hes> because obviously the frame as you know from running for office you choose a frame that you think articulate what you believe in but does so in a way that's going to attract maximum support and you know at the risk of simplification. What i'm seeing is <hes> two types of candidates antedates. The progressives are pushing. <hes> the message that it's time for a new generation a new message the party has moved left in the country's ready to embrace progressive policies and then the second set of candidates are saying hold on <hes> the most important issue here is defeating donald trump and so what you really need to nominate a candidate who has a track track record of getting things done <hes> who may not be so progressive <hes> or to progressive <hes> and that he will alienate these moderate voters in the general election and you know. I'm not sure which one of those messages is gonna win. At this stage as you point out <hes> vice president <unk> biden <hes> seems to be hanging onto his lead <hes> as <hes> a number of observers have suggested he is gaffe prone and <hes> the media have a field day whenever commits one of those <hes>. There's also the age factor is not the oldest candidate in the race with the second oldest. Could some of those issues begin to eat away at his front runner support i think they could i think part of the issue here is <hes> he has name recognition but that may be masking soft support so so a lot of this early polling for instance. One of the interesting little factoid is the second choice of most bernie sanders supporters as joe biden in the face of it that doesn't nineteen to make much sense because they're running on slightly different platforms obviously biden more unelected ability and issues that you champion back in the seventies whereas bernie i sanders is pushing this new generational thing so it makes you think maybe some of biden support. It's a very soft gaffes. <hes> i think i think the gas and you know this you know one or two gas is going to be dismissed if there's a pattern of them that then can be framed as indicating for instance. Maybe age is catching up with you. It becomes an issue. I think that's right. It's interesting also that we've got to <hes> <hes> candidates running in the new hampshire primary from jason states. Ordinarily those in the neighborhood would would have an edge but we've got two of them. So what about that dynamic well. You're absolutely right. Bernie sanders <hes> really attracted national attention when <hes> you defeated hillary clinton in two thousand sixteen in new hampshire by a wide margin and i was attending rallies rallies at that time and <hes> except for donald trump his rallies were by far the largest that i had seen and you could see that he was catching on he is not pulling falling nearly as well this time around <hes> and now he's making a conscious effort to hold smaller more intimate rallies in an effort to get to know the real bernie ernie <hes> but having said that you know elizabeth warren is hanging in there very well and of course she has that favorite son or daughter <hes> recognition as well. The other issue for them of course is they're. They're appealing to the same type of voter both of them pushing progressive messages with different tense. I think i think <hes> bernie ernie is much more willing to burn the system down. <hes> and warren is basically saying the system can work if you get better people in it how how that will play out in new hampshire. I don't know and again you know there as you well know. Even in the democratic party there are new hampshire voters who i kinda on a classic and sort of <hes> libertarian sense and <hes> pity buddha judge is doing quite well there. We just had a rally <hes> a week. You can half ago <hes> and it was by far the biggest rally we saw and it was hosted by a new hampshire. Political activist has been hosting these things for a couple okay. You said it was the biggest rally he's seen since al gore nineteen ninety six now. I don't know what to make of that but i wouldn't immediately give this state to either warner sanders sanders. We're talking with matt dickinson <hes> professor of political science at middlebury college about the forthcoming <hes> believe it or not <hes> twenty when he presidential cycle. Let me ask you about the timing mad because you've consistently cautioned the public against <hes> brian any premature eric conclusions and <hes> my memory isn't perfect but <hes> at this point in twenty oh four i think howard dean was leading the field in twenty. Oh eight hillary clinton was way ahead ahead. <hes> <hes> in the primary <hes> nominating process so thanks can change can't they end and i think your advice would be not not to rely too heavily emily on poles at this point. That's absolutely right <hes> in part <hes> this <hes> question of name recognition driving. I mean the surveys one of the things that we ask people. Have you ever heard of a candidate or if you've heard of the candidate. Do you have an opinion of them and beyond on bernie sanders and joe biden the number of people who have not heard of the other candidates who or who might have heard of them but have no opinion can range from you know almost a third of those surveyed don't really know enough about elizabeth warren have an opinion to up to seventy percent who have no. I know i dea who who in castro or p._g. Or <hes> some of these other candidates so you are absolutely right very early very volatile <hes> lot of behind <hes> churning going on here in terms of trying to line up endorsements and <hes> strategy one of the things to think about <hes> <hes> <hes> is you know the impact of the debates we have a couple of debates coming up here in september and if you cannot get on the debate stage we've seen a couple of candidates dropout <unk> out and there'll be some more movement but the real movement doesn't really take place until the voting in iowa in early february next year and then of course and new hampshire a week later. That's when we'll really see the field way now. It's interesting that <hes> you mentioned the winnowing in the debate process <hes> one of those who's not going to be on the stage is governor steve bullock of montana and <hes> he <hes> pointed out recently that <hes> the republicans <hes> for years go had a lower threshold to get on the debate stage and we of course saw seventeen of them at one point <hes> and he said ironically the republicans are more democratic victim. The democrats <hes> that large field on the stage didn't hurt the republicans last time. Why do you think the democrats are trying to narrow it down <music> early. Well i think <hes> their rationale is they want to winnow the field early from what they might think our peripheral color second tier candidates who have no realistic hope of winning the nomination and that's an understandable impulse but um <hes> if you're steve bullock or one of these other candidates who you think it's credible candidacy and a record of accomplishment and and what's interesting the democratic eric field is when you look at these these former governors or <hes> john hickenlooper was in for a while before turning his sights on the senate race in colorado but certainly ball like they want to argue if people get to know us and the debate is really the best opportunity to do that. We'll begin to resonate with them. So these rules <hes> are really in that sense counterproductive to the second tier candidates. You're not gonna have a jimmy carter coming out of nowhere the way he did in nineteen seventy six under the current debate rules the other thing that has done <hes> counter-intuitively. You know to get on the debate stage. You have to show some broad support and the way you show that is by you know raising at least a dollar from individual contributors and you need one hundred thirty thousand so this means somebody like tom star who has more money than you and i can. Imagine is out there trying to get financial contributions and it's kind of a perverse incentive <hes> but again you know the democratic party is trying to the establishment is trying to win all that field very early to focus on what they consider to be the most viable candidates mattison professor of political science at middlebury. We've got at a <hes> a call from a listener. Let's go to guy in berlin. You're on the air with professor dickinson. You mentioned that bernie drew the biggest crowds of anyone except for trump and i went to the trump rally down in manchester blown away <hes> thousand people costanza thousand people on the floor five thousand people outside and i just really wonder what ha- has have you been to to one of those offense suppressor and what what do you make of his ability to draw these crowds. I'll hang up and listen to your answer well. That's a great question <hes> and as governor douglas is fond of reminding me in two thousand and sixteen thousand and fifteen. I confidently predicted that donald all trump candidacy would last <hes> you know about a new york minute. I wasn't gonna bring that up. <hes> and i was wrong and and <hes> what that taught me <hes> you know you need to actually go to these rallies talk to people and where the support is coming from and so that's what i did in two thousand in sixteen <hes> attended <hes> several trump rallies in new hampshire in new york in south carolina <hes> just and did a lot of listening the two people who were supporting him and it was <hes> it was an eye opening experience it <hes> not only raised a cautionary flag about <hes> relying on national news media to understand a phenomenon that it also rely instead of just doing anthropological anthropoid logical work on the ground and let people tell us what they thought rather than sort of inferring their motives now. I haven't been to a trump rally this time around <hes>. I intend to do that but i haven't seen a couple on t._v. The dynamics from afar seeing the same <hes> and to get the guys question what really motivated trump supporters in two thousand sixteen and i. I'm assuming there's this element remains although i i'm curious what you think governor dogs a lot of it was a sense that the system had failed them <hes> in some ways it was similar to what was motivating support for bernie sanders. It wasn't so much you know economic anxiety although that was part of it but again and again we heard people say this notion of the american dream is increasingly receding from us that the system awesome is rigged. It's rigged towards people who have the means of influencing outcomes who have the advantages. It's not fair in a way that we were taught what that if you played by the rules and you work hard your kids would be positioned to do better than you did <hes> and they no longer trusted this system in the broad sense word and donald trump as the most anti establishment candidate out there. Somebody who could <hes> you know realistically. I wasn't part of the system for <music> as he often said. I understood how the system works because i i took advantage of it. <hes> he suddenly became the candidate choice now four years later if slightly different right because he is part of the system and that's where i think the dynamic is going to be interesting to see whether he is is chaotic tendencies <hes> and you know the controversies that repeated controversies he's involved in whether that is going to hurt him. <hes> and trying to expand beyond those core partisans who are just you know they're still supporting him and and sort of move into maybe we'll might call all the the more independent minded voters who swing back and forth between the two parties and who in the two thousand eighteen midterms more often than not went for these the democratic candidates. I think analysis is exactly right. <hes> people feel the system is rigged against them. He was ready to go to washington and drain the swamp and <hes> <hes> didn't <hes> hurt and didn't hurt his chances that <hes> the democratic nominees secretary clinton was seen as an integral part of that <hes> establishment so here we are <hes> matt as you and i know well <hes> <hes> for the former governor of massachusetts bill weld is on the trail <hes> he has articulated strategy where he believes <hes> if he can get sufficient support in new hampshire not even a win but it kind of gene mccarthy a strong showing he can begin to turn the tide any any likelihood of that. I'm school motto. Competition is good <hes> as you know. No elected president who sought renomination has been denied that renomination <hes> since i think going back to franklin appear so the odds aren't great if history holds <hes> the the wealth candidacy and again. I'm speaking in a little bit of a disadvantage advantage. I had <hes> tried to get to one of his <hes> rallies. In new hampshire. It turned out it was seven in the morning and it was part of a bird walking tour which may say a lot about <hes> governor weld campaign <hes> but had i'm just a dubious. <hes> and one of the reasons is it. It is just so difficult to sitting president because the president can suck up all the oxygen in the room <hes> and has a lot of <hes> means to sort of <hes> garnered media attention <hes> and governor weld blessings and <hes> but he is running a shoestring operation here <hes> <hes> now that may change you and i are hoping he will come to middlebury college <hes> in near future and maybe his message will begin resonating but i don't see him capitalizing on an issue such as against the vietnam war that <hes> you know catapulted eugene mccarthy in nineteen sixty eight to <hes> the second place in new hampshire tough wrote a whole no question about it. We've got a call from fred in duxbury. Go ahead fred. You're on with professor matt dickinson. Hey good morning galveston got. I would be one of those swing voters. I guess you'd say you know. I voted republicans and democrats height. I don't understand then some of the thoughts of the people that are hard line and matter what they say. They're the candidates says they're perfect. They're both the day they vote democrat. Their entire. I our life regardless where they vote republican regardless. My wife and i tend to boat seems to resonate or or fulfill what we say. I voted for obama. The first time i voted for <hes> for bush you know read my lips no taxes for bomb. You can keep your health care and your rates are going down and it wasn't that voted for trump because he was trump. It was less of classic less of two evils. The democratic party didn't have any anything worth it and there are a lot of people regardless of what they thought about lines. We're not gonna vote for hillary clinton and i think got the situation how that you know those old white guy. Who's just you know cozying up to everybody every issue get that vote. What are the strong things watt of people. I know including myself was voted for trump because he wasn't a classic to cider washington politician and i think vat is what appealed to many many people many people that i know that he wasn't a class politician and i still think he has that i think is going to be the nominee pretty then. I just don't think democratic party has really <hes> a lake with the guide. It's not just about gun rights or abortion or anything like that. It's just too much of the same politicians from from from the past and mr tuggle with russ and you're a funny guy and i did vote for you and i think you're i. I really appreciate shows that you do all well. Thanks very much and <hes> magic matt dickinson. <hes> fred is the classic <hes> swing voter. I guess i'm and perhaps <hes> <hes> thinking back to your first answer. <hes> of our conversation this morning joining a fringy leftish nominee is not going to attract somebody like friend. This is <hes> freddie represents. What is in many respects. What's the most important demographic in in the presidential race. You go into these races. He points out with committed. Partisans on both sides pretty much gonna pull the straight party ticket particularly as these parties is it becomes so well sorted ideologically so who provides the volatility. It's the people like fred who are willing to switch back and forth then. There's not a lot of them. Maybe he's fifteen percent of the electorate falls into that category fifteen twenty percent but the fact that they are not automatically attached means their vote is is most most crucial but the difficulty is as you say you gotta get a nominee who can track that support and that's where the problem both parties had faced in recent years ears because you're you're nominating process can be dominated by the activists. Those are the ones who are paying attention now the race they're the ones who are contributing these small dollar amounts suspenders and warned campaign. They're the ones who were out there beating the bushes and endorsing and they have strong views and so if a party and we've seen this repeatedly if i party nominates a candidate to you know maybe in the mainstream of that party's activists base doesn't necessarily mean they're going to attract sort sort of those swing voters in this is one of the reasons why our electoral politics swing back and forth so much is because you know we nominate these candidates sort of rejecting the other ones uh-huh and then they pushed the agenda too far to one side and we say throw them out and bring the other people in <hes> so you know it's i i. I think if you're a democrat this is one of the questions you have to ask yourself. What's the relative. Importance is purest progressive policies versus getting somebody who can appeal to fred red matra. We've got less than a minute left. <hes> <hes> very quickly <hes>. What do you think about congressional races. We've seen fifteen. Republican members of congress announced their retirements already <hes>. Is that a sign that <hes> they don't see a majority anytime soon. It can be although i would point out. Most of those resignations are in solidly red district so we're probably going to see them flip but yes generally when you have high retirement. It's because the parties the doesn't think they're going to regain the majority and they're not gonna be a position of influence the house it's going to be an uphill climb for the republicans to take the house and certainly the senate is in play but there's no guarantee they're either. Unfortunately we're out of time. <hes> i wanna thank professor matt dickinson the middlebury college for joining us this morning talking about the early stages of the presidential campaign for next year matt. I hope we'll have the chance to talk again. Help to a while. They'd well take care. We'll be back in just a couple of minutes with secretary lindsay curly. 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Welcome back kim douglas in of this morning. <hes> we had a great conversation with professor matt dickinson about the twenty twenty presidential campaign cycle how hard to believe it's on the horizon already but <hes> <hes> he's a keen observer a very knowledgeable fellow <hes> scholar and author and we're glad to have had the chance to get his perspective at this early stage and we're going to shift gears now. We're delighted to have on the phone. Lindsey curly who's been commissioner of labor for the last couple and a half years of the phil scott administration and is now assume the new responsibilities secretary of the agency of commerce and community development lindsey welcome to the show. Oh thank you so much. It's an honor to be joining. We know this morning governor. Will i guess we ought to start at the beginning. <hes> give us a quick introduction <hes> to <hes> to yourself and to <hes> <hes> your new new responsibilities and then how your perspective will serve you well as you undertake the role of secretary of commerce absolutely so this is my first week as the secretary of the agency of commerce. I hit the ground running. I've been traveling around the state just in these last three days meeting with businesses and oh you know continuing conversations about their challenges their successes with the state's doing well and what we might consider doing to help them and and maybe you know break down down some barriers. Would i what i learned. During my time at labor is that there are incredible things happening every state that we just don't discuss enough from we don't do a really good job sharing the the good things that we're doing and i think under my leadership labor we with along with my team. We were very successful successful at getting more of our monitor's engaged in the workforce. We worked hard to try to get folks who are maybe standing on the sidelines and needed a nudge or eat it a little bit of flexibility just a little bit of help <hes> and we collaborated and coordinated with other agencies so there's a lot more to do but i feel like the work that we did there will carry over well into <hes> the agency of commerce and community development <hes> just to give a little bit about my background so i grew up in summa uh-huh in vermont obviously data for monarch grew up in my pillar and <hes> graduated from high school and then st michael's college. I have a degree in accounting a strong <hes> financial and accounting background by <hes> you know training and employment but i've also run a small business to small businesses with my husband. I spend for the last fifteen years and i feel that that the knowledge that i gained while running the business you know learning to you know. Take take care of your employees. Who i think are your greatest assets. <hes> you know times going through going through a downturn in the economy trying to make payroll you you know i was responsible for people and responsible for their safety and their health and making sure that they could provide you know <hes> for themselves and their families so again. I feel like that background will serve you well in this new role and i'm really excited to to bring my perspective into it well. That's a great <hes> background mm someone who's been on the other side of the equation so to speak someone who has a small business owner had to navigate the state bureaucracy and understand how it could could do better and and and you're just like your boss right who was a longtime business owner himself in central vermont and <hes> that's the kind of perspective that i think <hes> allows governor scott got an you to <hes> to provide real leadership and <hes> and trying to make <hes> the services of state government even more effective so that's <hes>. That's good to hear you mentioned your <hes>. <hes> modestly your success at the department of labor. We've got <hes>. Is it. The lowest ever unemployment rate in vermont now about two point one percent so so it sounds like you've had great success in getting people <hes> jobs <hes> <hes> virtually everybody who wants a job has one now absolutely absolutely <hes> and you know i just want to hit caution a little bit and in terms of celebrating that so if four certainly job seekers this is a great time this there's a great time for them to enter the workforce <hes> as i mentioned if they've been sitting on the sidelines <hes> this is a time where they can try something new something in different <hes> however with that obviously comes a real talent for employers and you know when i when i'm visiting employers what i'm hearing hiring is that they are having a hard time finding people that are available and skilled to to start like immediately and and <hes> you know again historically low unemployment rate you know that makes it harder as an employer to find folks <hes> that being said what's really unique about this is the employers are getting very creative in terms of what they're offering to set themselves apart from people so so <hes> it's a it's a good time for businesses to really sort of dig deep and say what might i change to make myself more attractive. I've heard stories of manufacturing. <hes> companies who are her are changing their their <hes>. I wanna say antiquated means of <hes> their <hes> their work hours to accommodate people who need a little more flexibility so imagine maybe folks who have retired but don't wanna completely leave the workforce but they don't wanna work full-time either right so there might be opportunities for <hes> a little bit of difference different shift or maybe some job sharing also imagine people who who say i'd like to be there to put my child on the bus in the morning and i i wanna be there to collect them at at the end of the day so i'd love job that sit in between those you know timeframes and what we're seeing is employers are saying hey we need to we need to change our way of thinking and until the pendulum swings these. Are you know some some tools that we can use <hes> to help folks. The other thing that we're seeing is <hes> folks are really <hes> looking to populations that they haven't that have been under served so think of employing wings people with disabilities for example <hes> great work ethic really strong desire to do well and there are so many supports it's within the state that i wasn't even aware of as a business owner <hes> to enable us to help help people that do have some barriers to employment we can and we can help them. Remove some of those barriers and get somebody <hes> working who who wants to work <hes> we we have new americans arkansas for example there are programs where we have folks that will go into a business and work alongside them for a while and and <hes> that's supported by federal federal dollars so there's there's really some great opportunities to <hes> again serve some some long underserved populations of workers workers <hes> and a and as a business owner like i said i didn't even know about many of them so i'm excited to get out around the state more and share some of the things that makes perfect sense <hes> as a senior citizen myself. I'm working part time teaching part-time middlebury college and and i think a lot of older folks wanna work longer but not as you say a full week <hes> as our energy level might begin to wane just a little bed and and <hes> you mentioned new americans <hes> lindsay and <hes> i recall vividly when i was state treasurer hiring <hes> a recent <hes> immigrant from <hes> <hes> the baltic region <hes> who <hes> came to our country and <hes> didn't speak english <hes> but <hes> was an accountant and the old country and and that's what i needed a numbers or a universal language and and she did a great job in fact she did such a good job. She was stolen by the tax department after working for me for a while so you're exactly right. There are a lot of folks who we don't think of <hes> initially who can really make a contribution to a business and i'm glad you're you're focusing on that. We're dealing with lindsay curly the new commerce secretary and and lindsey i wanted to talk to you about one of the key parts of your agency and that's housing because awesome. You talked about the challenge of getting people into the workforce. The challenges employers are facing now and and some recent <hes> <hes> studies some of them. Perhaps perhaps anecdotal if suggested that the high cost of housing in vermont is is a key reason why people are are not sticking around so is there anything the state can do buddha to try to alleviate that yeah. You know you're right. I mean against my my own experience as well. Employers are saying some of the barriers <hes> for them um and bringing people in our housing childcare accessibility and affordability as well as <hes> as transportation and <hes> within the housing and community development. Oh man right here in the agency. We really understand that that housing needs vary across the state so when we're talking about tailoring the resources and as you know resources are tough right we we'd love to be able to fix it all at once but we have to try to you know figure out the the right places to put it to to really <hes> <hes> boost use the boost the economy and the environment and get folks into homes <hes> so you know some communities they need new units and some need it investments in the existing units that are maybe there but maybe the stock is a little bit. You know in poor quality so <hes> i think that some of the balance is trying to to figure out how to blend the state and federal funding <hes> resources to create affordable housing around the state <hes> working to address local zoning statewide regulatory barriers to building or house e <hes> as lower cost strategies so there's a variety of of things that are going on and to be honest with you being here just three days. I don't think i've even scratched the surface of some of the great things that are that are happening. You know in within right within my own agency in terms of of what we're working on and i'm excited actually learn more about that is well because it's a little unfair to ask you about things three days in the your tanning but <hes> do i know you're a quick study and <hes> <hes> you've had a lot of experience on the public and private sector and we'll hit the ground running but <hes> it certainly it was my experience that <hes> housing costs have been high vermont for some time. It's the lack of <hes> inventory that <hes> the drives the prices up to some degree and it's also the regulatory tori <hes> <hes> construct that we have here. That's frankly a little more onerous than it is in some other places so i know you you get it then. You'll get on it. I do and you know honestly. There are things that were all encouraging like like <hes> aging in place right. So what a great thing to be able to age in place but at the same time you know your stock doesn't doesn't turn over as quick either so that's again something. I've just observed sort of on my own within my own family right. Is you know people are saying in their homes longer so there there there. Are you know i i feel like we can. We can crack this not but it's it's going to take some time for sure. We're talking with lindsay curly the secretary of commerce herself about her new responsibilities at the agency and we've got a call from jan in northfield. Let's put jan on the line with secretary curly. Go ahead jan. Yes good morning commissioner good morning. I'm a <hes> businessman from the flatlands which is okay okay. I don't mind if you call me and i was invited to come to vermont and move manufacturing plant up here which now in the process awesome doing meet and <hes> yeah to manufacture <hes> aircraft landing gear but getting pass that what strikes me about <hes> for is that it is capital shy and when i look around at these local local businesses they all seem to run to a certain point and then they hit a wall and in order to move past that wall they need an additional national <hes> substantial some of investment capital which they can't get so it struck me that <hes> one solution russian would be for what <hes> in canada they call it crown corporation but <hes> here you would be quasi governmental institution that would have access to a large sum of capital pool of capital which would be available for investment assessment now. What do you think lindsay well. I haven't quite finished sorry. I just have a little plasma. <hes> the source of the capital would have to come from some enterprise that would be outside the normal realm of government so that it's not directly taxpayer-funded nor taxpayer guaranteed. I mean that's obvious there's too many budget constraints and when i look around i see the potential for raising about a billion from the sale of waste product that i see lying around the state. Now it gets a little bit complex but if you look at <hes> where vermont is it's basically better mining state in the past and there's quite a bit of scrap rock calliing round. If you go up three two and you go pass where grandville sits you'll see these mountains that are just covered the entire slopes slopes are covered with boulders. That's about one hundred years worth or two hundred years worth of scrap rock in the mining of tombstones and whatever else let us for that for that granted now. There's a market for that and the logical place for it for from the point of view oh from one is to sell it to the united states government to fema in one shot where it would be used to build a large breakwater that would run for seven miles along the eastern south eastern coast of staten island that area is only about three or four feet above sea level and the last time that hurricane within their it flooded out about five hundred thousand people now. You have to kind of put this together. I the legislature would have to declare that it's a hazard and that if the business entity that owns that rock or at least by inheritance doesn't remove it in one year than it will be actually opted to to the state and they're not gonna remove it so now the state goes in there and remove the rock loaded in god little cars ships sit down to staten island and it's used to build a dike seven miles long sixteen feet high which will consume quite a bit of material and you sell it two females fifty dollars a tonne back of the envelope calculations. There's a billion dollars. You got a billion dollars in cash literally literally lying on the side of the road that becomes quite a pool of capital that capital falls into a bank which we will call say say the industrial development bank of vermont which is a bit of the equivalent to operation of custody poeple player in quebec. You know have the ability to fund <hes> through bond issues or or through some form of subordinated debt <hes> these companies that are attempting to expand but can't get the patient capital. They need to get over that burden now. How do you sell well. You're going to have to sell it donald trump. This is where the problem skin. Nobody wants her. Mom wants to talk about donald trump. You know he's anathema the world but what do you care. I mean when you think about it. It's just a big government. They need the rock. He's a builder. He's from your for instead of trying to build walls and getting into arguments with mexicans. You can build a wall and argue with the ocean. Nobody's vomiting following <hes> vouching shing for the ocean at this point in time right so it's an interesting idea. I mispronounced your name earlier. I apologize for that. It's <hes> let me ask you <hes>. Let's see about another part of your agency and that's the tourism department <hes> obviously it's <hes> one of our major sure industries <hes> in vermont. It's our brand. It's how we get <hes> so many millions of visitors here every year. <hes> <hes> give us a sense of the state eight of the tourism economy and what if anything we could do even better absolutely marketing works and tourism is a huge driver of vermont economy <hes> as you mentioned tourism is at two point eight billion dollar industry here in vermont <hes> and after manufacturing tourism represents the largest contribution of out of state money into our state's economy <hes> so obviously very important for us to to <hes> keep that going and and really we support that there's three hundred ninety one million dollars generated in rooms and meals tax which equates to one thousand four hundred and fifty he dollar tax reduction for every vermont household <hes> and we have thirteen million visitors come to our state each year and the tourism industry supports thirty two thousand jobs in vermont which is roughly ten percent of our workforce so very important again another very important area and <hes> you know we really do know marketing works and sometimes it's hard to to show and <hes> it's going to be important for us to show that that our investments are making a difference as well secretary of commerce so we've just been joined by a guest in the studio. I mean get <hes> his thoughts sir. How do you think secretary curly is doing in her the new rule <hes>. She's done a wonderful job in her tenure. As secretary of economic development <hes> she actually has done a terrific job in labor <hes> <music> over the last couple of years <hes> or background in business <hes> being c._p._a. Of growing up in in vermont i think is lend itself well to everything that she's been doing so it's not a great job sounds like you have a fan lindsey. Thank you <hes> the feelings mutual governor phil scott. I think our listeners here's are well aware we're going to be chatting with him. In the next half hour and <hes> governor we've been talking with lindsay about her priorities. Which of course your priorities and creating more job opportunities in remind more housing <hes> <hes> boosting our tourist economy and <hes> there's certainly always a lot to do even though we've got record low unemployment <hes> so who i know lindsay's he's a hit hitting the ground running. It's only third day on the job but <hes> she was. She knows the ropes yes yes. She certainly does and you know there's a lot of symmetry between labor and economic development in and the two are so intertwined that we feel <hes> that this is a great match <hes> and bring someone over from labor <hes> over two a._c._c. I think is <hes> is appropriate and <hes> and will be able to utilize everything all the functions of both and break down those silos because they <hes> they do work in tandem well. We're running out of time in this segment but i'll see you later then. You're not off the hook yeah. We're going to be talking with governor. He's got the next half hour after the news about i wanna thank <hes> linzie curly the secretary of commerce and community development for taking time out of her busy first week on the job a bit join us on the show. Thanks lindy thank you. We'll be right back in just a couple of minutes. Mrs jim douglas sweet september the crisp clear days a harbinger of october foliage to come upstairs at the warrants store door are colorful. Clothing collection is luring and enticing has these lovely lingering autumn days. There's something for everyone. Active wear from cool royal robbins token code fashion ashen forward tony develops and comfy saved the duck from warm cozy and ethically sourced as always our toy department to lights. There's jewelry accessories and gifts galore <music> all upstairs at the funky friendly almost world-famous warren store in warren village. It's the day graham show on w._d. F._m. and a._m. Tom jim douglas back in for dave today and we're going to continue our conversation with governor phil scott in just a minute but we've got our <hes>. Oh well we're expecting a call from our friends in washington vermont <hes> a at what did call talk media news right but they aren't here so let's <hes> forge ahead on <hes> governor scott came in a little early <hes> and surprised as secretary of commerce during the last half hour but <hes> she's a great example of a vermonter with you <hes> with a business background stepping up to serve state government and a couple of different roles and bringing that perspective from working on the other side of that relationship and i know she'll do a great job at commerce to as you know it's really important important for your team to have different perspectives come from different backgrounds and bring different things that the table and <hes> and i believe that <hes> you know lindsay and her husband been jim. <hes> have had a great business air and in my pillow for a number of years and <hes> and understand the struggles as well so bringing both of those and again again having your accounting background of being c._p._a. I think it just it just helps in in many different aspects. We haven't had a chance to chat <hes> in this context. Since the legislative session adjourned a few months ago we must have sense of how they did how your priorities fared <hes> <hes>. How would you assess their performance. I thought we had a good session. <hes> i think i think it was very respectful and civil. <hes> we talked a lot to head. Some common goals worked on the common common goals <hes>. I didn't get everything that i wanted. They didn't get everything they wanted. <hes> so i think in the end <hes> i think it was very productive and <hes> and it was <hes> something that <hes> i'm proud of and at the end of the day <hes> we were able to to get a lot of things <hes> my initiatives that <hes> that i think are important to the state <hes> about about growing the economy making vermont more notable protecting the most vulnerable we we're able to to do something in legislation in each of those areas but really the bottom line. Is something that you you brought up. <hes> <hes> you know over a decade ago. It's about demographics <hes> we are. You know we have a stagnant population. <hes> we have <hes> we were we. We need more youth in the state we need our workforce is struggling as a result <hes> and i. I didn't listen to the first part of the program but you know we have two point point. One percent unemployment rate lowest in the country <hes> and ends other governors would say this is great news you know and highlight this but there's another side to the to the coin <hes> and that is we need more people here to take the jobs that are available. We have over eight thousand jobs listed on our job link occur in in the department of labor we have we have three thousand about three thousand people on unemployment. That tells you a lot about what's happening. Being in vermont we have more jobs than we have. People fill <hes> fill them and <hes> and that's part of our our struggle of proud of our challenge. We need more families here. We need to attract more people. We need to use all the levers that we have all the qualities that we have and we have a lot of them <hes> to bring more people into the state. Was you say there are a lot of help wanted signs ends all across the state and not of employers looking for workers secretary currently mentioned that <hes> <hes> she and her labor department role has reached out to groups in in our population who haven't been working retirees who might want to come back part time and i raised my and you came in at working today. Thank you got to pay double shirt art since i was here and <hes> <hes> vermont as with disabilities who can make a real contribution so so it's great but you you mentioned the unemployment rate and i used to say that <hes> <hes> the low numbers fine but we need a bigger denominator right yeah no it's exactly right and and the reality is again. Dan we have fewer people working today than we did. <hes> you know about ten years ago so so again the trenton <hes> that were on the trajectory that i'm so concerned about and and to the legislatures credit understands it more now than they did previously and they've taken some action <hes> in order order to rectify that and i think that <hes> again we've done some things together we need to do more <hes> paul levers we have and so again a lot of promise <hes> there's a lot of <hes> there's a lot of areas where i believe <hes> that we can we can do better and we just need to continue marching arching in that direction we still have an affordability challenge and remind without any question well again some of what we're trying to do putting more people to work bringing more families in is going to help that right. I mean we have <hes> thirty thousand fewer kids in schools and we did twenty years ago and we still have an infrastructure. The structure is built for over one hundred thousand kids. We don't have them so we need more kids or we need to do something to to become more efficient because we're spending enough money. We're spending a billion seven <hes> to educate our seventy three thousand kids and so <hes> we <hes> we have again opportunities attorney said to do better there that <hes> that that brings us into the affordability question <hes> you know much of what's derived <hes> for education fund one is through property taxes and that's what a major complaint of many so if we have more as as someone told me and i use this a lot stole this this line from a burlington businessperson so we don't need more taxes we need more tax payers and he's so right so right governor phil scotch. Our guests and we've got bob ney on the line from talk media news in washington bob good morning morning to governors morning bob. I'm a former congressman so we've got the entire government here. We accomplish this much as they do in washington today well you. You all get a lot more done to uh-huh believe me <hes> speaking of governors governor. Roy cooper has warned the residents in the carolinas because that hurricane of course picked up went down to a two in florida and then came back up to three so they're bracing good problems out there and then on brexit. This is the first time since seventeen eighty three that prime minister has lost the vote when they had their first votes as prime minister in the parliament in england so that's a big loss for boris johnson and and what they basically told him it's looked you're not going to exit the thirty first on the brexit. You're going to come up with something. We're going to extend this so it kind of a big deal <hes> well. I guess those are the two big stories <hes> around the world. Today we hope that and then trade toxins you see the chinese are coming back. We're going to watch that as aggressive. We hope the hurricane doesn't come to vermont. I don't think it's supposed to well. I hope not we've actually gone <hes> to north carolina and we have a fifteen person team. Swiftwater rescue team down there already <hes> they went to <hes> they went to florida to begin with there was come out reach from florida and then they got turned around but they <hes> then north carolina stepped up and said we could use them so we have a team stage there right now oh great. That's nicer to help well. We're we have what's called <hes> you'll help me governor with the name but <hes> a name municipal mercy the compact. That's right from governors help each other right there. You go whoa babylon. We wish we could talk longer but <hes> i wanna make sure we interrogate the incumbent governor here. I'll i'll email a couple of questions for you. They interrogate sue here. Hey thanks bob ney from talk me news <hes> for calling in this morning appreciate it. We're we're talking with governor phil l. sky of course and <hes> let me ask you about a couple of specific initiatives that <hes> that are important to you into the state talked about expanding and recruiting the <hes> more of a workforce <hes> there was some initiatives this year the <hes> some people were smiling about the incentives financial incentives to move vermont but but we have to try everything going well. There's no one answer <hes> and <hes> and certainly <hes> you know that <hes> there was some <hes> we had a lot of attention <hes> brought to the remote worker program where there was up to ten thousand dollars to try and attract someone from another state to come here and move here and then br work remotely and and you know some of the criticism i want to <hes> make sure that we highlight <hes> that we we received <hes> many calls from people saying you know that's great. You're trying to bring more people into the state but what about me you know i've been living under this high burden of taxation for decades and how about sending me a check for ten thousand dollars and i totally get i totally get it <hes> but that program there <hes> we had over a million hits social media <hes> it received national international attention <hes> there were so many people that we had over three thousand directing inquiries about the program program <hes> n._f._l. <hes> and <hes> we the reality was we only had enough money for about twenty five to fifty but we feel that i mean peop- what it taught us was <hes> first of all <hes> was that <hes> some people just want their. They wanna come to vermont. There's just looking for reason to do so <hes> and highlight that we have jobs because for for many many decades. I think <hes> many thought that we didn't have any jobs available in vermont. That's just not true anymore. We have jobs we have opportunities -tunities <hes> and incense work and so <hes> you know the the the reality is that if we can bring more people into the into the state as i said before we need more taxpayers <hes> not more taxes as spreads the burden so you're actually every time we can bring someone into work here and a new <hes> to to who pace sales taxes and property taxes and rooms and meals and all that it takes the burden off from vermont who are struggling to get by governor. I know no one initiative that you've been working on that has been on our agenda for several administrations is expanding broadband access. That's important to a lot of businesses remote remote workers and and <hes> companies here and you had some progress on that this year i mean we're we're working with communities <hes> and and there is not the complete clete answer for economic development but it's part of the part of the solution. It's another tool in the toolbox. <hes> you'd be surprised to hear i was surprised to hear <hes> when you take the top twelve <hes> areas. They have the highest highest capacity high-speed broadband in vermont. <hes> names burlington comes up. That's that's not you you know we we would we would assume that they're on the list but then you hear <hes> springfield <hes> you see here brattleboro you hear newport your handcock and and you and they're not exactly all thriving economic centers of success right now <hes> so it's not the complete answer <hes> but as part of the solution and <hes> and we need to highlight the fact that these these areas do have <hes> broadband. I was talking to someone at the business yesterday. In richmond <hes> not really an interesting business <hes> there by the way <hes> but one of the employees who moved to underhill and says he has all kinds of broadband there and he was very excited about that and so there are pockets of <hes> of high capacity <hes> high speed access but we need more of them. We need to <hes> to work with the communities. See what we can do. Make it part of their economic development agenda <hes> and build the community in that respect make sure that we have that in the downtowns i bring it out and expanded <hes> so that we can have more again. More people attracted to the area another key for a lot of working for monitors access to childcare and you had a major announcement with this week. Tell us about that well. We've <hes> we've done a lot. <hes> in terms of of childcare <hes> we've over the last three years <hes> we've increase <hes> <hes> what we because i believe in a cradle to career process i i believe that fundamentally <hes> child's brain developmentally fast fast between zero and five and the sooner we can get to them the sooner we can help the better. We also know that we wanna put more people to work <hes> they need to have <hes> <hes> childcare <hes> family. If we want to track more families need childcare they can afford <hes> so we were able to to put more money in this year <hes> seven seven million dollars for for childcare and <hes> and i believe that <hes> that will have that will help <hes> in in a lot of respects in a lot of different ways and <hes> and so we need to continue to work on that if we if we really want to bring more people in more families <hes> is part of the solution. Well currently is <hes>. We've got to get access to childcare. It's been on our agenda for a long time and <hes> we've made some real progress over time we also have to make sure that <hes> folks can afford to go to college and that's been a real challenge at the other end of the educational spectrum and <hes> some real demographic perfect pressures at our state colleges now but <hes>. We hope they can overcome them. Yeah our colleges as you know. <hes> are under stress for a lot of the same reasons that we we are as a state <hes> it comes down to demographics when you look at our state colleges alone <hes> when you have thirty thousand fewer kids in our schools right right <hes> that has a ripple effect <hes> because i think the the the ninety percent of the students that attend our state colleges <music> are from vermont so if you have thirty thousand fewer of them in our schools <hes> fewer <hes> you know <hes> students graduating fewer going to or state colleges so we <hes> we have to come to grips with that and again trying to attract more people were not alone. I mean <hes> we're we're seeing this throughout the northeast from the smaller colleges <hes> our challenge <hes> and it's all about enrollment. They don't have the product they don't have. They have the infrastructure. They just don't have the the number of students enrolled so it's taken and his toll in vermont. I'm afraid is not over at this point <hes> but i think the state college system <hes> is trying to address this. We have a great great group <hes> on the board right there and <hes> and we'll see what they come up with but <hes> but again it's going to be dramatic. I believe we're talking with governor. Phil scott and i know governor you're on on your way to a press conference in saint albans a little later this morning <hes> can you give us a scoop out some some grants <hes> so <hes> <hes> the c._d._b._g. Grants and <hes> and something that the federal government has been doing for number of years you probably remember those well <hes> and and it's <hes> it gives <hes> giving out grants to different communities for for housing a lot of these are for housing but for infrastructure as well and <hes> they're worthwhile well and and again a helping hand of the communities trying to to grow our downtowns and and make them even more attractive. I think is <hes> is part of <hes> part of the answer and we're seeing <hes> you know some <hes> some success in that regard when you go to saint albans it's <hes> it's really really a dramatic. It's just it's it's so much different than it was ten or fifteen years ago. They've they've invested in the downtown with a tip districts and so forth taxing rental financing not everybody agrees that that's so that's the way to go. I'm a big fan of the tip districts and and we've seen again you use <hes> saint albans example renew ski or burlington santon or or milton <hes> they have improved improved their communities as a result and i. I'm not sure the development wouldn't happen without these. <hes> <hes> tip districts i i'm getting fond memories of the winooski projects in my time in office and it actually started before my governorship because i was on the board of visa the student assistance corporation which is the major tenant in the downtown office building <hes> there and and i think you're exactly right <hes> winooski. The new ski was getting a little run down the some of the mills not as vibrant as they were and it was the tiff financing that really jump started their urban then renewal and it's been a real success and they've got they got a lot going for them and we knew ski right now <hes> and when you look at the community and you see the diversity in the community go to the the school and what a great school it is and and the number of students they're in the refugee population <hes> that is <hes> <hes> that made ski their home. <hes> is created just a different atmosphere and and i'm very very <hes> pleased with the result. I think we need to again. <hes> we need to do more. I believe <hes> more with <hes> immigration leib legal immigration refugees trying to extend a helping hand those who need it and and <hes> and we need <hes> we need more people here in the state so i think it's part of the answer governor fill scott's our guest. <hes> the lines are lighting up governor gray. Everybody wants nice to talk to you but let's go to fred and newbury and see what's on his mind this morning fred. You're on with governor scott any morning komo governor governor. You're you're the captain of square rigger called of a minor and if caught doldrums and all you can do prayed for a brisk north west well <hes> i hope and believe the governor's doing more than praying hang on yeah. Certainly i think we can <hes> we can have a role. We have a role to play in our destiny and <hes> and <hes> and i believe we can't just sit back and wait. <hes> we have to take action <hes> and again my three my first day in office <hes> i <hes> issued an executive order and it really was about my administration might team <hes> keeping three things in mind making vermont more affordable <hes> increasing growing the economy and and making <hes> making sure that we take care the most vulnerable and i think we if we think those three simple guidelines those three simple simple principles and and in everything that we do <hes> we can't do everything right you understand that i mean you have to prioritize <hes> so those so the priorities that we have for my administration and i think we've had some successful on the way and we're we're going to keep working at it and and again if we can work together <hes> so you know instead of <hes> <hes> finding areas where we disagree. I'm looking for areas that <hes> that i can agree with and the legislature and others <hes> so that we can actually work together eh to make something better for vermont. Well not a good things happening. Obviously the low unemployment rate the projects. You are going to celebrate today the downtown development i interested in your thoughts on the fiscal status of the state now because we we hear news reports about pretty sizable projected surpluses <hes>. Are we flush are are you comfortable. We never flush <hes> because <hes> while you know the first first two years when i was first elected i put a line in the sand and i said no tax them fees. He's not we we can live with our means. We're going to figure this out and i'm not gonna sign anything that increases taxes and fees on on already overburdened from honors and we did that we accomplish that and after that first year <hes> we actually had a surplus for the first time in over a decade <hes> and we've had a had another one since <hes> so so that's that's the good news <hes> but the <hes> unfortunately as you are well aware because you took the initiative back in i think two thousand eight <hes> to put this on the right track in terms of are under funded <hes> liabilities <hes> we needed to to step up and make sure that we <hes> grow you know fulfill our responsibility bonds ability with our pensions and <hes> and <hes> so that bill comes due every single year so any surplus <hes> that we has have <hes> gets gets <hes> gets utilized and <hes> and evaporates pretty quick <hes> when we try and pay off some of our debt is what the what the the issue is and so we take half. We've taken half of that. One of the surplus is and <hes> and pay down some of our debt and move worked together with the legislature and the treasure as well in doing so so so again <hes> <hes> good news bad news <hes> but <hes> but i'd rather <hes> you know have the surplus and and <hes> and start paying off <hes> again making sure they were fulfilling our obligation to our debts got to pay our bills question about let's go to don and elmore and see what's on his mind on your on with governor scott. Well good morning. Both of you good morning governor scott. If there's one way that we can improve the tax situation vermont it is by adopting a constitutional amendment such as new hampshire did in eighty four that requires the state or the legislature to fund any project or requirement that they place on the municipalities and counties and towns and cities to provide you know as well as i do that a lot of these people people would not get reelected if they started spending money away they've been spending all alaska is and the other place that i really think needs to be cleaned house. I was is the agency natural resources the hundred thousand dollars so that it is cost morrisville water and light to fight. They're silly. Nonsense on certification of the dams up. Here is something that might be all of you need to be ashamed of. I'm sorry that you didn't put somebody in there who were strong enough to clean nelson deadwood that we picked up with the markowitz administration than they are and now we're looking at the what they're dictating through a o._t. On slopes and everything's on town highways. I think you're gonna find league. Cities and towns is gonna get involved before. We sure that we were talking about the planning board. Just last night is coming up again at the select board meeting here this month. It was already discussed it on earliest select board meeting this month. This is going to bankrupt the towns for stuff stuff that they are just legislating claiming. It's going to be environmentally helpful. <hes> you can't tell me that sediment going local books looks and stuff is going all the way to lake champlain and causing problems what's causing problems in vermont more than anything else is the agency and natural resources and something needs to be don don don. Let me get the governor's reaction to those two issues first of all a first of all. It sounds like we have a candidate on our hands here. <hes> you know when i first i decided to run. I didn't have any interest in politics whatsoever <hes> but i was frustrated <hes> as frustrated as dawn seems to be about what was happening and <hes> and so i decided to get involved. I decide to step up instead of complaining. I decided to add my voice and you quickly learn <hes> that it's not as easy sometimes times as you might expect when you get there and <hes> and but but i think <hes> different perspectives <hes> different backgrounds are are what makes the the legislature work or not work and i and i believe that we need different perspectives <hes> to to do that so <hes> first of all i would advocate the dawn. <hes> might wanna want to think about running for office. <hes> you know we have elections. <hes> i don't know if you're aware of this governor but <hes> we have them every two years he really vermont yeah yeah as opposed to that's i agree <hes> but <hes> but i again different perspectives and and i understand the frustration <hes> that he has <hes> with the different regulations <hes> <hes> and again some of them are necessary though <hes> and <hes> in terms of sedimentation <hes> in terms of runoff <hes> we're trying to clean up our our lakes and streams and trying to do everything we can <hes> in order to do that and that was part of <hes> what we did this this year was we had a dedicated source of funding finally to fill that last missing piece of the puzzle <hes> to fulfil our obligation to cleaning up our lakes and streams over the next twenty years in quickly on unfunded mandates to municipalities. Well you know our municipalities aren't <hes> <hes> ah yeah they're not flush either. I mean everyone's looking <hes> for more resources. <hes> and i would advocate <hes>. Have you have to keep going back back to this. We need to solve the demographics issue. We need more people here we need to you know fill all the the empty buildings and and <hes> we need more resources. We need more people living here paying into the system spreading out the burden so it's it's part of the answer for them as well governor phil scott. Thanks so much for taking time out of your busy. Aziz scheduled to join us on the show this morning. We're out of time. We wish you all the best <hes> as you continue to move the state forward <hes> the ship of state is one of our caller said and and we really appreciate your hard work on our behalf well. Thanks very much for all. You did <hes> over those <hes> eight years. We'll be back in just a couple of minutes. <hes> we're gonna talk with st deep perkins from the vermont. Historical society is jim douglas sweet september the crisp clear days a harbinger of october topers foliage to come upstairs at the warren store are colorful. Clothing collection is as alluring and enticing has these lovely lingering autumn days. There's something for everyone. <unk> active wear from cool royal robbins encode fashion forward tony develops and comfy saved the duck from warm cozy ethically sourced as always our toy department into lights. There's jewelry accessories and gifts galore all upstairs at the funky friendly almost world-famous warren store in village newsradio w w._b._z. F._m. and a._m. Now back in the day bram show welcome back jim douglas in today for dave. We've had great conversations already you this morning with professor matt dickinson secretary lindsay curly and with governor phil scott and <hes> our forth gifts this morning is steve perkins the director of the vermont historical society the hundred and how many year old organization steve that's been been <hes> <hes> serving our state <hes> <hes> presenting the past educating reminders about our history. It's great to have you on the show. Well thank you very much. I always say almost a two hundred years well. It's close enough for government work but i think i'm sure i'm listeners know the vermont. Historical society is headquartered in berry has a library the museum there and of course the vermont history museum and the pavilion building in downtown montpellier <hes> but of course you have a lot of activities <hes> all across the state as well and <hes> we appreciate <hes> all that you do to to keep reminders touch with our very storied past. I know one thing you're you're working on <hes> so now steve is the installation of the second series statue that during the dome of the the state house in a permanent home. Tell us about that yeah absolutely so you know we all watched with rapt attention. As the crane took the the <hes> i think beloved statue off the top of the state house <hes> last last year and a brand new statue went up gorgeous modern sculpture <hes> <hes> but i think we i was asking well what's going to happen with the statue that came down and we were approached by the state curator's office about about <hes> providing a permanent home for that sculpture which was done in nineteen thirty eight <hes> epa vermont historical society <hes> we of course have off of portions or pieces of the original statue carved by larkin meet way back in eighteen fifty eight <hes> in our collection so it it seemed to make a a really nice display so that we could talk about <hes> that early decoration of the state house and we'll be putting it in the front end vermont history museum so you can you can take a look at it and then you can actually peek out the window or step out onto the porch and and see the current statue <hes> on top of the state house <hes> as it is is right now <hes> but it it hasn't been an easy process to get this statue ready for the exhibition well interestingly <hes> each of the previous two statues as lasted almost exactly eighty years <hes> but i gather that the folks who are of the new one hope that it'll last longer as i write yeah. The artist chris miller has this one is going to last a hundred years so <hes>. I'm not sure i'll be around to test that theory but <hes> we have him on on the record saying that this statue that came down <hes> you know ultimately once it it it came down in a warehouse and under the care of a conservative it it it. It's okay <hes> you know the it was certainly waterlogged. I think with a reading was ninety. Seven ninety eight percent of water water content <hes> when a probe was stuck into it but it hasn't been completely dried out. It's stable now. <hes> there was a bit of loss around the shoulders shoulders and certainly a bit of wash near the bottom of the statue or at attached to the top of the state house <hes> but the the conserved conservatives down or the guy who fix six artwork <hes> down in kuichi. You've done a wonderful job with the head <hes> and that'll be reattached to the body. The part of the bottom of the statue is going to be sliced off of it. It gets rid of some of the rotten pieces allows us to mount it safely and fitted inside the room. Which is the front front room of the historical society museum in pewter. We hope to have that installed kind of mid october. We're planning a big unveiling the last weekend of october the twenty the twenty sixth of that month you can come in and <hes> see the statue inside to see it up close <hes> as well as seeing the tools that that dwight do i now used took to carve the statue and i think jim you knew that the guy who carved a statue dwight to now is not not a professional artist at all he was not it was the sergeant at arms of the state house and there's a lot of speculation about whether he did all or part of it or who knows yeah we're we're we're we're leaning towards or pretty sure that he did the head and <hes> we have great photographs of him working on that in a shed that used to be behind the state house. Listen our cafeteria is and he employed some of the the young bucks who worked for him at the state house to do the body and the body is made of all of these pieces pieces of ponderosa pine like to four two by sixes that have all been glued together in one big chunk and then like pieces of rebar pounded in there to hold all that together <hes> and then that was carved into kind of a rudimentary body with the real artistry of that statue is in in the head <hes> by this. I you know untrained untrained wood carver who happened to be the sergeant arms at the time and he said you know what i can do this a lot cheaper than hiring somebody to do it vermont away. I guess i'm often ribbed the sergeants at arms since then asking will what have you done. That's useful like dwight vinyl wondering why we had to hire an artist to do a new one yeah well. We'll talk to sergeant miller about the hassle. That'd be fun so you can see the statue. Actually that used to be on top of the dome beginning on the twenty sixth of october the history museum in montpellier so <hes> put that on your schedule steve perkins a director. This historical society is <hes> is our guest and <hes> another key project of the society. Overtime is publications. <hes> you've published pushed a lot of <hes> books that <hes> have brought to our state's history to delight and and the latest one <hes> is very interesting. <hes> it falls up on the conversation conversation. We were happening. We're having with the governor scott <hes> during the last segment on our demographic challenge and <hes> we can attract more people to come and populate in our state <hes> t- tell us about that book yeah so this conversation that we have about you know populating vermont and what's going on with the population aging population relation is something that we've been having you know throughout our history <hes> really since the civil war <hes> on up until up until now and so the the powers the or the community of vermont was having these conversations in the early twentieth century and a local historian local vermont historian impulse arose teaches at northern vermont university wrote a book using some case studies from the early twentieth century about how vermont irma started to address this issue of how do we attract people to our state. How do we get folks to settle in these communities. <hes> how do we stop a young people from leaving the state and in fact get young people to move into the state on these questions or taking place in his book he writes that we're taking place in the nineteen teams teams thanking twenties and into the nineteen thirties and it's a fascinating look at how we as reminders during that time mm-hmm tried to address these questions and you know for better for worse and <hes> and it raises questions of how do we define our own community entity so the book is very specific on these on these areas. One of them is a story of how vermont wanted to move swedes into certain parts of southern vermont and had a program that lasted for a year to go to sweden recruits swedes to bring them to a a certain part of vermont to to beef farmers. It didn't work <hes> but it's an example of trying to build or define a community. We've now taken this book and and <hes> paul and augusta nudist programs for us have been traveling around the state libraries and we've done this in partnership with the state library to have book discussions. Zhen's were folks have read this book and then start to have conversations about their own community. How do we define community. Can you can when you say i want this type of person in my community but not another type of person <hes> and how do we do that. <hes> and how have we done it and what's the future of vermont among the conversations have been spectacular and we plan them through the summer and you can find those on our website vermont history dot org. There are a few left that you can check out but now we're being approached by libraries and communities throughout the state looking to borrow copies of the book hold their own discussion so many many of those going on throughout the fall and were even working with <hes> with the governor's office <hes> to incorporate one of these discussions discussions around his cabinet for day program <hes> in a specific community so i mean it really shows how the work of history is so relevant to how we think about our communities and civic engagement going forward my read <hes> paul sorvino's earlier book and so i'm sure this is a great <hes> great pieces. He says well look forward to it. <hes> i guess there's nothing new under the sun is what you're saying that <hes> this is a challenge vermont has been facing for some time and of course in the nineteen sixties. We had <hes> <hes> the designation of the status quote the beckoning country unquote where we tried to lure people in here with some success i guess but it's a it's a really the challenge of our time today it it certainly is and has been i i think we were low bit in the seventies and eighties <hes> we we did have a population <hes> increase <hes> but <hes> but beyond those those the end of the seventies and eighties <hes> you know we're we're we're we're having these same conversations stations but it's we can learn from the past and hopefully build on that and <hes> and make some good choices. Let's hope so go on the website vermont history dot oregon learn earn about where that's being discussed any my want to pick up a copy of repealing vermont bye bye. Paul searle's another project steve that you're involved in <hes> i i find fascinating. <hes> we talk a lot about literacy in its classic sense <hes> i've been involved in some financial literacy programs to try to educate young people all about personal finance and retirement savings and so forth but there's a new concept called historical literacy. Tell us about that yeah so historical literacy literacy at it's actually part of it's part of the educational outcomes vermont students now and it's about how we think about the past. How do we have conversations with our neighbors about what happened before. How do we understand from each other that we all have a history that we all. I'll have a culture and how do you have conversations about that. How do you read <hes> even the media today or how do you read a book. It comes out and understand <hes> what's based in fact what <hes> how do you understand what good sources are what not so good sources <music> are and then. How do you take that information process it and use it to make decisions. This is all referred to as historical literacy and you know like i said our our our schools are using this concept right now to teach humanities so we're very interested in it because it's what we do we do it day in and day out and we feel feel that historical literacy is what makes us human and idea of understanding each other understanding where we all come from makes for better communities reminds me a little of my days as secretary of state and when <hes> <hes> legislators would come up with new ideas at least they thought they were and and i would say well wait a minute. We've got thirty studies in the state archives on that very topic lens to take a look at those before you move forward so we have a lot to learn from our past no question about it certainly and and and we're taking this a step further you know we all say this right that being in understanding our pass makes better communities makes us more civically engaged. <hes> these are great hypotheses. How do we prove that. How do we this show that this study <hes> is important <hes> so we're embarking on a multi year program with casselton university and the counseling faceting polling institute which has been rolled into the university to palm honors and so we're we're working on a scientific poll <hes> with them and with a series of classes of students to <hes> over modern and try to understand their level of historical literacy. We're not asking for facts. You know. This is not trivial pursuit you know or or jeopardy we're trying to understand how monitors <hes> get this concept optus historical literacy and and where their historical literacy is once we create a baseline can then we can then apply that to things like social capital and other measurable ideas of civic engagement <hes> elections people who are engaged in volunteering and start to show this is is my theory that that i that historical literacy leads to greater <hes> civic engagement <hes> like i said multi your program but we should come up with there's some great and data showing the importance of understanding your past and being able to talk to your neighbors makes good sense. We'll look forward to hearing the results of that and <hes> you you you mentioned steve the fact that schools are incorporating this into their curricula <hes> and that leads me to remind our listeners that there are some kids who don't go to school they are home schooled and and the historical society has had a robust outreach to that community for for many years oh absolutely and that's just getting started started again this fall. We have a special program called history for home schoolers which will help <hes> those <hes> students <hes> enhance their history learning and those are monthly programs at the vermont historical society <hes> special lessons. It's really most of the afternoon <hes> working with our educators and exploring the museum in a variety of topics but again all that information can be found on on the website and highly encouraged for any of those homeschool students. That's out there of course vermont history dot org. I was what twenty twenty five years ago that <hes> the society acquired the old <hes> spalding rated school rule in berry and moved in and and it's been an adventure <hes> i can attest as a former trustee of this society and <hes> but you're your full up now. There is a lot of vacant space there for some time but <hes> <hes> you've got new tenants and things were looking great right we do. It's a hive of activity here so not only is it. The headquarters of the vermont historical society our library research center is here as well as two galleries of of great exhibits on on but we also now house the vermont department of libraries <hes> so the state librarian here and the archaeological heritage study center <hes> on as well so you know one stop shopping for a lot of your vermont research i remember for decades <hes> expressing concern about the <hes> proliferation of our historical repositories and i'm glad to see some progress of course the state archives and public records division were merged a decade or so ago over middlesex sex and now <hes> v._h._s. and the library department or co located in barrie so that's <hes> makes it a lot easier for researchers to <hes> as you say fine. It's not complete one-stop shopping at least fewer stops than they used to have to stop and you know it's only only only a couple of interstate exits apart so i was reading <hes> in the most recent <hes> <hes> newsletter <hes> which i receive of course as a member of the society about <hes> <hes> trivia night. Tell us what that's all about and how people can get involved. We've been having a lot of fun with these trivia programs. We started a couple happily years ago. Bringing him around to <hes> bruce craft breweries around the state of vermont <hes> and this truly is the trivia unlike the historical literacy. I see this is testing your trivial pursuit knowledge about the state of vermont. <hes> we do it in a kind of a series of rounds and you can participate as a team or you can participate as a single person if you think you know better than a team and we give out prizes every round and then grand prizes at the end. It's a lot of fun you know. Some of these questions tongue in cheek other are very very serious the and we do offer them the in in the evenings and i could say the next one that's coming up is is an afternoon and it's set up for families so we do have some family questions as well so that's going to be the app vermont history museum in mma helier on saturday september fourteenth at one o'clock in the afternoon <hes> so drop in tried doing awesome trivia. We've got a lot of great prices and i will say after doing this pretty much. Everybody get surprised <hes> and <hes> and you can experience the museum as qualcomm take a ride through vermont's history while you're there steve <hes> <hes> v._h._s. has been serving the state as we've noted for nearly two centuries but <hes> part of the strength of our communities is the fact that we have local historical societies in many many places around vermont. Tell us about that network and how you interact with them yeah so there's over one hundred ninety <hes> local historical societies and small museums <hes> in vermont <hes> we as the vermont historical society provide services to those <hes> small societies of we provide them <hes> we have a full-time person that travels travels around the state and <hes> you know answer questions and helps <hes> everything from writing bylaws to you know. How do you put this wedding dress. In a box question question we offer workshops and conferences for those societies this year we're providing scholarships so that members of local societies can attend the new england museum emma association conference which is happening in burlington this year for professional development <hes> and then we also advertise all their programs and it's called the local society e news and you can sign up for that on our website too and that's something i think every vermont should sign up for because it's amazing it comes out almost every other are weak and there's gotta be at least twenty programs events or exhibits happening every other week in all corners of the state and the website is vermont history dot org governor fortunately steve we run out of time but i wanna thank you steve perkins the vermont historical society director for being on the show today my pleasure. This is jim douglas. We'll talk again sometime. We hope you'll keep listening. Bill sir is next on w._d.

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Magic Maker John "SohoJohnny" Pasquale

The Mindless Morning Show

1:17:07 hr | 4 months ago

Magic Maker John "SohoJohnny" Pasquale

"I'm on and tell you a little story about a guy a name. He was a host of a podcast called mind this morning show texts side two freezes azoff with the big oil is so josh decided to call up is from you dive tommy little did that incoming bannister and josh finally. He's taking this cast. I am a brand new will be here with you. Wow nick freezes office. Sorry don't worry i nabbed rabin you. Mom not just sit back. Enjoy the mindless morning show Nikki suck good morning. Everyone welcome to the mindless morning. Show i am here still without neck but with our amazing guests. Tommy you the podcast and also joined by none other than john. Soho johnny pass. Qualify is using person a philanthropy concert producer. A man of many things and say you renaissance man yet done so much in your lifetime and clearly if you guys are watching on youtube amazing does this look right now my goodness. I don't remember the last time. I've ever seen a button up. So i mean dressed. Impress the us sit down. I knew who is coming on. So i was like all right. I gotta i gotta get a little bit nicer looking normal. Well i wanna thank you. Pat me on the show today and Who's that guy you were talking about. It definitely wouldn't be me myself. The accidental tourist and everything that my journey my life get into a minute but thank you again me on the show today and for the listeners out there days of blessing jeff and gang. We've got a lot of bright brighter times ahead of us just trying year in the last year for everybody given everything that's going on but there is always light at the end of the tunnel which is a big part of what my platforms. Bud trying to start off on a light. Note the from everybody guys at their. I mean that that's all we need is to just keep on looking forward and keep on. Truckin so what are you doing today man. How's how's your day. God great Seem to always be running to catch. Keep up with the ball and everything and different things. That i've gotta stay on top of and everything but You know it. It's a blessing to be able to do what i'm doing and how i'm doing it. I think a bribery thankful and What has happened to me. And my wife and i hate the. I shook at the word career because korea south lake so serious right But you know for those of us that you know you follow your passion and you could turn passion into somewhat of a business business as a necessary part of it but just kind of follow your passion and part of what i've done here Is combined that which charity philanthropy philanthropy. And it's been a secret It's been my mcdonald's secret sauce if you will help win my sales and has just opened up many doors and many blessings when people around me awesome. I i like to hear that. And you definitely you certainly do look very busy man with the magic going on behind you. I mean just looks like looks terrifying to be honest. Looks like a quite a bit of work. How how do you addie manageable. You me as you know. You know large mack truck or tractor trailer. Going on a highway have a mac is like a very well known name. You know both. Mac tougher and everything. You have a little figurehead. The bulldog on front of it has me although most power everything else is all my team around me and people that have supported wants to deserve all the credit. I'm just a figurehead. And i kind of like the conductor but you know it truly all about human resources that make these makes magic work any endeavor that we do. It's all about togetherness and our super wholesome and to say hi to ask. It's really cool just being able to sit down and talk to you because you've definitely tried to do. Our fair. share of research can see. Who is this man. This awesome figure. And i'm gonna. I'm gonna have to address the elephant in the room. I feel like i'm that guy in his part. Podcasts always addressing the elephant. So where does soho johnny begin. And where does it meet john. S qualley where is that is it fusing into one are you. Are you the same person or is it almost like two separate entrees if you will. That's an excellent question. And let me just backtrack a little bit night. you know. Just go back to my humble beginnings. I i was born In the big apple in manhattan and this is going back wayne. Today's and there was brought up when i was in grammar school. I was You know we're talking about the sixties right and We lived in a small apartment called the stuyvesant town in manhattan on fourteenth street. Metlife had built head moves I guess relatively new at the time large large complex many people knew on probably know about it and at some point and when i was in grammar school i wish he'd very nervous kid. I was a stuttering kid. Okay and And i look back at pictures today. I got all these pitches recently. I'll tell you why shortly. But i'm looking back and you know as you live your life and get get older in life you look back and you reinvent and rediscovered the person that you really were. You revolve throughout your history right. And when i noticed about myself is that i was always that joker even in grammar school. I used to get in trouble. 'cause back i went to parochial school and they had the yardstick and all about the different sides of but i would get in trouble but i would always get a laugh of the class important to me and even the judges even if that you get in trouble whatever they would laugh. I try to hide their laughter. Because this is you know back. In the day. I mean many of us have seen that movie. Dead poets society with robin williams and it has to be at. That's my kind of structure back in. That was actually setting in this in the fifties but Fast forward from that My parents have eventually moved to the boogie down. Bronx which my mother was from and they moved into the cystic complex called. Purchase it at metlife belt. This almost exact sister. I don't know probably you know thousands of whatever apartments and then Eventually they got a house in the bronx. And i'm still grammar school now and they've got a house new garage in the back now. I had to develop you know kind of this reputation of just being. You know this. This this You know. I hate to say clown whatever but you know people would just wanna hang out because everybody would just it just would just be you know i would just kind of just have a good time and just very very sincere so for some reason i ended up going to garage after school and not have the phonograph going through music and back in those days had a black light and a strobe light and played rock music which is now classic rock of course and the word kite him gone out. That gotten out so my friends would come there after school and then it word traveled throughout the neighborhood. Come there after school and the bronx who knows days. I mean there was a lot of gangs on the street. Very very prevalent And it was funny. The families of all those kids that would come by kinda glad. They're figuring off the street back in his garage so that was kind of like the seed of entertainment And i always say to myself. I owe that to my late. Mom okay You know because she always had music in the household and you know new when you think when you're a kid like why did i grow to love music if you love music as much as i do most of anyone that doesn't at some point now live You know you remember when you're a kid that's song when you drive your parents crazy to drive you play it over and over and back. In those days we had the vinyl. Which is what i did. This another interviewee the name and artists and Tom jones came to my came. My mind and you know he's amazing. East out there. Performing his grade was under the show. The voice or whatever it was and What's new pussycat. I think it came out and said it was a vinyl album based on on a movie. that he That he had an album. What's new pussycat. And i used to play that record over and over and over in the household so fast forward from that i kind of continued to you know to have these parties or get togethers whatever and then you know. Latter years disco came out and then i became a dj. You know nothing really super professional. But i would have whatever and they make parents. Actually you know this is kind of various you know People remember that movie animal house again. A famous movie from natural ann packer the heavy but my parents moved out of the house and they were moving temporarily. I was there for a while. Maybe for about a year. You're here too. So i had this house to myself and always had the reputation of friends being able to crash him a house even at different unusual hours of night. You just common just put up a pot of water so you know i. I've always had that in me that type of hospitality that type of Always wanting to make people smile and that's been kind of a gift because he gives back so now fast forward from there now My Well let me backtrack a little bit. So johnny. so johnny dot com platform is based upon the fact that that was like a nickname of mine because my grandfather had come to this country just like many of us are humble him immigrants. If you trace back all lineages right and back over one hundred years ago when he started like his little humble business was poor guy in soho in the so. It's historic district that most people now in manhattan and You know he started like a little business there. And then my father's generating goal trucking business and know i used to go to school. Go to work with my dad back in the day and And somehow i got the name over the years. So johnny was one of my nicknames and that kind of resonated with me and Why where the name came from but a fast forward from that again About twenty six years ago. Twenty six years and my dad died of cancer. And what i did is at that time I kind of like you know we all process that is years which defines life differently and we all go through stages of that they say you know grief anger despair and then you know it's part of life we accepted and we have to look at the blessings that we had I do so. I tried to channel that energy in a positive way and what i did is i just ramped up. I was having these like parties. Shows whatever nine ramped it up. And i started getting original artist and then they said you know. Let me do something about this cancer thing. You know that affects the statistics as affects all of us by a certain percentage at some point. Someone that you love. And i started doing sweet american cancer society and Once i started doing then like there was a whole world kind of opened up. Okay People that i met the love from do starting doing these types of projects. was Unbelievable to me and Just kind of opened up doors and You know the the outreach. And this i want to say than i am the accidental tourist. In this whole thing okay. I'm just a kid behind a desk and my father's business and we started. I started a real estate business in the eighties. That still out there. Now as we have some properties and so all night had a brokerage commercial retailers whenever pep real estate dot com ep real estate dot com but And which is still out there and win business. But you know and then i I just found that it just discovered so many things so then i continue to do it and in more and more opportunities came and she now this other world okay which i was always kind of flirtatious with because like when i was doing the real estate for instance site i would always be because you always down real statement in in so long still. My office is in soho which is very creative area and always will be Internationally known right. So i met so many people and celebrities over time but just like real estate like finding a myspace like nineteen eighty five. I rented a a restaurant to grace jones to vent fabulous grace jones. And i think she found out about it. Because andy warhol late landy or used to hang out upstairs it was like you probably see ninety was one of his hideouts and back then these just like oled shoddy loss okay back in nosed as you know i guess in the seventies early eighties So i had those doors open and then i just continue to do it. And then more opportunities came. I started the platform on the started representing artists. Came to help propel the that career. And that's kind of ood here and there. I mean not a lot just kind of selectively. Because i never wanna over promised under deliver and i started getting involved with other shows and producing a of the shows even just getting involved with the more and more now really with the actual the movie business so to speak and producing those things but as long It was it was just a wonderful experience. So keep the timeline going forward here. i so i will share. That's more recently I had You know i had the well. You know it's funny. Two thousand twenty for most of us is probably a brain for it. Like for me when i think you have asked you. I'm really thinking to nineteen because last year this was kind of like a freeze frame writer. Everybody up for obvious reasons. But i guess in two thousand eighteen. You know I had you know. I'd had a put together. Great show And again i. I don't wanna take credit for it because it was people around me but it was It was all day festival and this was based on classic disco. Okay which is you know. One of my mom's and i had a An all day all day so in the afternoon he was under a circus tent. Okay And the and the evening was in grand ballroom and i had a long list of performance to come support me mature erasing money for american cancer society. I had any -tario famous any terror. We had a show dance. Fever back in the seventies he toward john travolta to dance from saturday night fever tomorrow as original bands to virus heatwave fonder eight terry this ariel sharon brown jimmy born Jeez this this goes on had rock the third by calling my mr magnificent. Dj had an fever in a movie and he did that famous song back. Probably like in the advent. This'll get dancing. My wig is wet mitra. Fun is really love him. and double exposure planet patrol instant funk all these bands attributed artist to the vandross. Danny clay he was great robert. Barco did chick. Yes george michael and also had constantine merola. He's not disco you know. He's a younger generation but he We will know rock of ages. One of wonderful voice he had and that was another send-off at the we pull that off and everybody had a great time. The artist came. I mean i treat them like family. Great green room like we do not just a job. We hear that team family. That's all have some fun and have that connectivity. Because it's all about the passion big record you have as a performer with the audience and I i'm a performer. Myself okay by default and not by intention. Okay because i'm on stage on performing. I got these drain with these other. Girls choreography night. Saying and i'll do all these things while perform along with these vans wherever they put these shows together and here i am finding all you know as i said. We all learn more about ourselves as we get older. And this definitely. This tri factor. I call it a charity of putting shows together and I know the people that come around and connection to the audience because that's the key ingredient for true performers okay and it wasn't until i got involved with this. I really appreciate how much work goes into this. It's stressful the make sure everything goes right or no. You wanna have the timing. The green room. Everybody time towards the music. What's to sound scoreboard sound engineer. And it's fantastic so Dovetailing from that now the entertainment business has been going more and more streaming towards tech anyhow is called. Experience just catapulted it. Really really hyper drive. We all never so One of the more recent shows i did Was virtual show. I couldn't do a A a live show but it was It was november twenty four. Th there was a six hour virtual concert and i i had artists. Thanks to my team. You know People like john velasco eileen shapiro. Jimmy store Just in all these people help bring other people and artists donate either allowing footage of themselves shoutouts or performances on his six our streams. I've show from all around the world. I mean i've got a list here over. But what i did is earlier this year and what i use instead of just only just for one charity. American cancer society I had lost my mom earlier this year to cope with myself. Okay now we'll share that with the audience so just like when i lost my out. Of course i'm grieving and make light of no one else's suffering okay. It was i consider myself. She was ninety three. But it's like you know you kind of figured shouldn't have happened for the stupid disease right. She probably had more time in her. But you know what. I still consider myself. Blessed a channel that energy. What can i do. So i took a foundation was i was. I was starting this foundation and they started the foundation. Let me help. inc. I n. c. That me help inc dot org is the is the website and a foundation like charity is for our purposes such as recall vid cancer whenever but a foundation could pivot and give different charities. American cancer society is just for cancer. I guys but this could do for this. So when i actually did is we actually did. Three different causes for this for this concert on november. Twenty four raise money for prostate cancer. Re raise money for cove through department of aging in yonkers and wishes county in new york Cova meals on wheels. I think i think it was to bring meals. Call families or underprivileged families are or that were affected and then once one hour of this hour show was co-produced by another talented guy an artist in his own right Andrew cole hashtag. I am no joke for anti bullying. you know. I endeavoured to raise money for that awareness again which fresh. When you're i think about it. Well that's not disease or anything. We'll guess what you'd be surprised how it affects especially children and how they're turn out in oregon even suicide rates. You'd be surprised about that. And between the combination of my wonderful wonderful think tank again. Remember i'm just at mack. Truck symbol in front of the truck with people at some of the people. Like i just mentioned deserve order. Praise and these artists. Okay Because they just doing it for the goodness of their heart We had You know on the show amid a mentioned some people that run the show We had like patrick stewart ozzy and sharon osbourne cedric the entertainer. Tommy james like we know. Tommy james and chandeliers kim sledge from sister sledge and there's a whole list the iraqi kramer. Tommy claxton brian sebastian. I mean i have a whole list. I don't wanna take mickey burns. Whose fantastic talk show host of profiles. Okay good i consider one of my mentors. Howard blong van. Tastic publicist in brilliant. Brilliant man another person definitely up to You know Ken miller Christine laureen landon. I mean list goes on revolution. A screaming rachel sherry nelson tim morris Leon robinson october london. Charlie black april gabrielle. Fred schneider from the b fifty. Two's i love him. I love him And just just so many different people. That steve perkins from my like from jane addiction. You know scott page from pink. Floyd and the list goes on. So you know thing is was really. I was very fortunate. And you know. I'm kind of like kid. You know. I'm still that stuttering kid. Okay inside but you know. I kind of like found the happenstance to turn and energy inside out. Whatever whatever negativity comes around. I mean we all go through trials and tribulations and life is not meant to be perfect right. It's not meant to be not here. I would depending on okay. i don't get into religion. You know the house is so johnny is open to anybody. I call it the house of so. Johnny doesn't matter what you diversity is. What whatever wherever background you're from everyone's wealth as long as you're not here to hurt anybody. And i consider myself having a second inch education on wync guys who is being brought up in like one of the most melting pot in the new york city inside the melting pot like the boogie down bronx of seeing people from all different ethnic backgrounds. Get together and work together to me. A second education and i found myself blessed and gave me another education so to my late dad. I oh my sense of Because anybody that would meet him would say that he was an enough saying this because my dad was fortunate no he came from nothing. You know we had no shh pathway. No shoes were through the depression. Right and You know anybody that would meet him. Say kind things. It doesn't matter what it was where they had something or didn't matter what the had didn't have they would say something kind. So i say to myself i got my sense. Humility and humanity from dad. And i got music from mom and music being the tie that binds. Okay is the complement. Entertainment is common denominator. That i used to tie everything together. And i throw in a slice of philanthropy charity in their. This of course is the place for business. You gotta pay the bills and everything And that's kind of what i did. So i guess. Go over a couple of the projects. I'm in a couple of minutes. I'm just gonna take a breadth. Forgive me for being over. Bo's but i'm trying to get all these things women in my mind. Just come out from. I mean clearly. You're busy man back. Just a bit I think i can speak full-time yet i. We're we're definitely clash clouds or were in our class days. But so i mean that gives us a little hope that you know. We got something to look forward to we. Can we can be the next. Soho johnny here. So but also i mean. It's very humbling because granted you had these opportunities. It's not just take them like you went above and beyond within you excelled in. I mean. I definitely appreciate the whole cancer. Thank my dad. A recently had prostate cancer and he the whole covid thing he had to be in the hospital for awhile completely by himself and that lake crushed me absolutely crush may so. But he's he's doing much better now and so i'm glad about that but yeah And i i appreciate what you guys you and your teams. Don't because that's that's awesome and really also want. Wanna give my condolences to your mother because his stat you either. It's not easy man and i. I don't know how you keep such a positive enemy light glow to you. But i mean you got it you know i. H there's no i'm not reinventing the wheel okay Would i try to do. Is i try to discipline my mind and my emotions to accept that. I'm a human being and a half the love myself not in a narcissistic way not selfish way except myself give myself and if you come from that position in try to say that every time and makes it easier to be humble and noble when you relate to other people and that's charity so charity is not necessarily writing a check okay. Charity visit doesn't matter. If you have nothing. Charity could be as simple as making somebody smile when you walk down the street. I sorta elderly lady the other day and just trying to put her in a better frame of mind cause if we all wake up with the feeling and days of blessing and a gift and not to make light again. I say again of anyone suffering. Say nobody's going through a lot but You know for me. I say you know what there's always someone let's watch it. There's always someone less fortunate. I got two arms two legs and on that note. I'll tell you about You know a role models to each other again. It doesn't matter what you have. It's important to remember that we make a difference and everybody can make a difference that listening Before i can see you. I just also want to give a shout out to to both of you. Your other hosts. That's not not not present here for having a show that you have because you're part of what's leaving a light on because social distancing is not social isolation it's outrageous having shows it communication it's entertainment and it's picking up a phone for someone that you haven't spoken to. Its hey listen how you doing. And maybe they may tell you a tale of woe you know go on social media. I see all these things. For prayer warriors. They say prayer. Whatever the case may be but that type of communication is what we're all about as part of the key okay and that is the currency. That's the currency money has its place. It's just a tool. It's a piece of paper. We give it value as human beings but the true currency of life. That matters that you want stocked up on the bank is when you look back at your life. When at the end of your life using people did i touch a positive way. How many people that show some degree of love whether it be small degree putting a smile on the elderly woman's face. Just just having look people say things outreach inside doesn't mean you still do business to do whatever you absolute still go through your life but you keep that back of your mind at center the ethics of humanity. This is not religion even an atheist. This is common sense at the naveh. Comic book out mandate for humanity. So johnny that have out and tells about the story and they may be this character that kind of like tries to put people in better frame of mind and get superpowers from scott. Page from pink. Floyd the mighty director third. We mentioned before and Who was the third i think. Eliza takeaways it was howard bloom. The publicist as well but So i think what you talking about. You know the charities and everything A mentioned a few things here. We have we did that. Show and of course cancer is going to be main Thing that we've tried to work on but right now in the works My mentor john. Velasco had mentioned you know john. There's this blind camp for line kids camp in new jersey and it's being affected because of the the the economic depression and see. Why don't we do something for them. Okay and i thought it was a great idea. Once you said blind kids right. You're right here and see what a great idea john. So we have one of the tastic bands that we as part of our roster now and these. These guys have wonderful. It's called animatrix and we helped bring them in japan and is You know mike and rudy in the boys and they do these hike. Heavy metal rock for like disney cartoon shows and they are rocketed. They're charting all over the place their blessing to work with and the a great so we should said. Why don't we just tie them to this camp. And we're gonna make that like the charity like animates six charity for this. This line kids cap and we're gonna do a show probably later on this year and we can do the show. And we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna rocket raise money for them and we may outreach like you know role models i mean think about blindness him who who comes to your mind stevie wonder andre celli people that and those are those are those by call no reload celebrities. Because they're great actor. Were there a great singer or car guy choreographer or comedian. But you know they're really even more of a celebrity they give back if you have popularity than money celebrity status to give back the people on my show. I'm so on. And so thankful for them for that that rama shown the twenty four and You know it just it. Just kind of This has been a wonderful journey. I mean people ask me like what would you tell younger version of yourself. An up on artists. That's coming up know the younger and And so an x this question to be the other day. And i said you know what this stuttering kid and grammar school back in the day. You know 'cause i was like i call myself. Accidental tourist just happened organically for me later on in life. I was doing other things you know. We we grow up. You know the society kind of like forces conformity on that. We have to be insert way. Get a job get a career in education. It's dangerous necessary things right but you know. Try to hold on. So if i had to tell the younger person who advice money i would say seek out your passion. Whatever it is if you have a passion and try to understand it at an early age and don't just be. Let me just take you anywhere at wants to have a design. Have a plan and it's never too young to do this okay and you could change it and tweak it along the way drive the bus of your life don't be a passenger and that is What kind of came to my mind. When i was asked that question so i usually say that a form such as this because really makes a launch. It really makes sense so other things going on I have the privilege of working another brilliant guy. Maurice hamilton sm see group and together with our teams. We now take artists only a few of them very slick art netter coming then have the talent to witness in drive and if they're lucky okay. Not that we're any midas touch. The we're humble were trying. We will connect them and they may be like one of the poster child for the next coca-cola posted child or unilever one of these multi-national corporations so we're working with maurice with that We have There is a show that i'm going to be hosting coming out soon later on this year. My dream team earlier today. And it's going to be called soho at night and i'm looking forward to it and the boy. I'm going to have a good time. Are you going to have us on this whole it. It's going to be my family. Has like caprio state dot com. So walk down. So he's old historic all. They're built hundred fifty years ago and everyone have these lawsuit walk into different rooms have different celebrities and different spins on. Could give the whole secret away yet. But it's a very very exciting project. And i'm working with Which great people on out as well. So that's a narrow. I just help co-produce part in a movie that says be coming out soon slayers doing acting myself and also coming out with my own music and i'm very introduced song soon. one of them are working In junk schubert. My buddy talented scott page where i mentioned before original sacks from pink floyd and supertramp todo and wonderful guy. I helped support him. 'cause he's another philanthropist. What is a smart brilliant tech guy in his own right and he course he's he's into an entertainment and a performer. But he did he raise money for the watch conservatory for underprivileged children there for a music in l. a. And help support him. That was. I think january of last year when a wonderful guy. So he's working with attributes on at We'll be coming out soon. But his team and his team thinki- ex pd steve. Perkins kenny olson. His dream team as well but Yeah so i mean i i. I'm trying not to and and again. I know we're talking about this What's important to me. i feel i should mention. This is not so much really about me. Okay i look at myself kind of like a conduit came to try to get this passion now. Sometimes i xe myself. You know waited. All this passionate empathy come from you know because they see other people see. I'm one of those people that you like. I think it's called empathetic. And i can pat where you feel a lot. You know i feel like know. Lost my mom. But i think you know you feel the high suitable lows a lot more and without any drugs. Okay you just feel it. You know you know it just just organically just healthy lifestyle but you know and and and they just wonder you know it people say what rather not be too sensitive because then you open yourself up and you get hurt. But that's the mystery of life. I would rather be this way. You know there is a song that was brought brooks and beautiful song. That talks about is posted. The day he just talks about the journey says if i could go back in i think he was somebody i think somebody died or something maybe his wife to somebody and yet sounds terrible but he says if he could go back again and change like it never meet her so he didn't have to suffer the loss. He says no way he says. Because maybe i'd have to deal with the lowest. But i would have missed love and would have missed the journey when it missed it. And that's what's important for us to will remember. It's all about the journey and it's limited amount of time that we hear make the best of it and what's noble and what what will make a difference is how we react and how we touch each other a and i mean there's there's a another quote you had had that i i'd seen of yours if if we do nothing than nothing gets done and i really liked that quote because it's super simple but in super hits the nail on the head. I mean it's so true. It doesn't matter how humble whatever you do. You know whether you do something help somebody with a project or you have money. You have money that you donate whatever it is you know let help inc is now a conduit. I don't own it. Whatever it's a foundation and you know we just I think we're going to be zooming with the Oliver from the prostate cancer. You know and you know we just wanna zoom. And just say he want the world say this. The money went okay and then we'll do it with the other two that i mentioned to like Another champion Happy kathy elvin who just sent me her book. Okay and gushed. She's from creative vision. And that was tied to the hashtag. I am no joke anti boeing and she just humbled me. Who says dear soho you give me hope. Thank you for that. You're doing you know something this type of beautiful people that you attract hope rising very optimistic about life kinda resonates a little bit leverage. So it's all about the journey to people you meet along the way and how you make a difference in someone else's life and trying to just make them feel better so that stuttering child that i am still that nervous kid are still but you know i'm maniacal i can't help myself okay. When hba tied to music and they tied to everything and everything of doing no. I just i just meet it head on and i fall. You know like. I was listening to Damon john we will know shark tank. Daymond john trae is a real successes. But i don't know for every success to add at least one hundred failures. Okay here about the food industry. You're going to keep going forward. No matter what life okay and And just get up forward and we're here to support each other you know. Don't be afraid outreach. Dance i part of it you know. You don't know the effects these things happen when you're young abused things fat as osborne and a lot to say about that on the show you now and it's amazing how these Jeff goldblum he was also on show. Now named just talk about you. Know th th the heroes. I mean it. Just talk about revealing personal things about themselves. Think maybe they were boy and they were doing this and they say well. Yeah you're right. I would affect it. And they reveal some of their frailties. Were the problems. And that's the human experience that's how you touch somebody not by being some big celebrity. Whatever having a lot of money you touch fighting bischoff listen. I'm vulnerable to be is to air but let's just do this together. Let's make that. That's make the journey fine. So i hope that kind of goes in a little bit about you know when i'm doing the wait to come out with this music and i'll be announcing later on this year and writing some stuff and some of the that we're working on and are probably getting here for them because we get constantly people approaching us all the time for different things i mean i have a list here of different things that they're working on it as well and private be doing producing some more movies now. Okay because there's a lot of different Great ideas and drake content. I mean what we have. All just lived through was very very historic times. I mean. I think everybody could agree matter. What your glimpse are everything about. The world has been rocked okay and the pandemic. even though it's intolerable in many ways you need to look at like everything. There is something good because you couldn't stop it. It happens inevitable. some things happen life. My death is part of life. That is what defines five that is what makes it special. We live forever. We feel it so special. But the the whole experience. is Is you know. Don't forget to pick up the flowers. Don't forget the smell of flowers along the way and that's a part of what the gun him trying to look here for. These other remind myself because my memory is scattered a little bit because trying all right. Cry coming out with the soho radio okay. So who radio is well. This is going to be in this. This is it's hard work but it's fun and everything which is going. Connect everything together so You know for people that want to sign up for the email again extract princeton. Soho johnny dot com. Soho j. o. H. n. y. Dot com so johnny l. c. facebook. John soho johnny quality. I think you mentioned that mentioned that before on facebook unusual suspects. I'm not a social media guy. So johnny instagram. So johnny on youtube and and let me help now that we help hank as a presence as well if anybody has any suggestions on salary or anything us pop an email. John j. o. h. n. Its own johnny com charity and the foundation info at. Let me help ain't network. So i put that out there as well and We're putting things together You know we have a studio concept. That's probably being so how israel introducing with synthetic cloud in again. There's always will be some aspect of it part of the fines or something that's gonna go towards. Let me help now. Which is going to be a conduit undo it you know to channel money for some of these different causes and chara could be like you know. One of my idols was the late jerry. Lewis okay in a lot of the audience remembers use. You know back in the day he used to do that. Jerry lewis telethon and that's something that's another project that we're talking about really big now when a lot and for a lot of champions you know to work us. That's resonating to you know. Just think along the lines live aid or we are the world. Okay type of thing. That's and jerry lewis taliban. I think he used to have that. Forty eight seventy two hours straight you know. What is you could go. Go ray to read and i'll forget if it's cerebral palsy for children muscular dystrophy one of those who get those two mixed up but he would have people celebrities support him and like would show on announced. Maybe twelve o'clock at night and shop in the studio and do give a performance. I noticed that something that a looking forward to do something like that sometimes of so streaming is part of entertainment today. The shows that we doing or going to be high tech. You're gonna have the streaming aspect which is no surprise as well as live shows and interaction. So we've got a new platform coming out with two. Seems like as you could see my cat my and spinning going on. But you know again you know. I never tried trying to never lose sight of the fact that you're gonna keep your head on the bouncing ball realized what you re which really important trying to make that point of everything i do and i've been thankful blessed in to do it clearly. A very very busy man and i mean aside from being on the amazing podcast. So what do you do with your free time. Even have any well. I'm working on more time management right now. it's been a challenge. Because you know. I still got my real estate schlicht downtown. Know we're doing Doing actually another entertainment company now might be backed by amazon in the building. And you know. I try to find solutions for retailers to open up no different areas like sohar west greenwich village and find spots and actually make pep real estate dot com. Besides what we have. We also have brokers. We help retail chains as well to reinvent themselves. Get people who've adore it through a experiential and you know you just can't open up a sneaker store anymore right guys retail and does different concepts now new offense as well and the city took her pint jarl. I were mentioned other conversation today. That's also been resonating. Were collaborating with Another champion susan lee. October again today with my team with john and we're collaborating on a few projects. Here to bring some light to to the embattled broadway theater district which has been dark for such a long time and you know the the the the the actors. The performance moved away. Whatever the case may be so again. We have something that we're talking about possibly raising money for for students. High school students so that we can help them careers. They went into the arts We will possibly do another live show later this year. Besides that a discworld it's going to be called broadway cares network collaborate on for these. You know these are go season. Stars or performance on broadway helped raise money for these children the orange. So these are the type of things that you know. It's just You know. I'm just so thankful that i'm able to be able to do that. I still keep specically me. I'm not making light of it. It's not easy to do this You know you have to be able to work hard in but you know. Be you know organized your time. Time management make time throughout the navy workout. Do some exercise. Especially if you're working from home time to work time to family up ones came structure. Okay because that's what you're so hilter me. I put on a couple pounds. You with this whole thing as well you know. It's the lights coming lights getting brighter and brighter. Aegis year progresses and you know the inoculation and everything and the mindset of people There's going to be a major rubber band that's been stretched is is going to snap back here with the demand for content and entertainment and watch out and we hope that we i'm holding whether you're right and under christians wave which johnny believe man. I think it's gonna happen. Tell me sir. Yeah i was just gonna say josh's pry blown away. He's probably never seen me. Sit this long without interrupting or saying something. But it's all conscious. Because i went to be completely out front with you. So johnny When i heard that i was gonna be able to fill in for this podcast and have you on the show i was like oh i wanna do research. I'm going to fit your mouth. And then i saw just everything you did as explanation is all the listeners. They're currently listening now. You have quite track record so for me I'm not the most analytical person but as humans we wanna find a pattern as a human we wanna find all right wh- who my gosh. There's just so many things. How can one person accomplish it all. But the reason. I was so quiet as i was almost mentally connecting the dots because once again philanthropist concert promoter producer helping different artists. You have a show coming up. So who radio i could go on and on and i polish for cutting it so short even though i felt like i said a lot of words but in a lot of people's head when someone says who so johnny i now have an answer because i was finally able to connect if you look at every step of your. I know you didn't like this word currier. It sounds so formal right. You're that old now. no. I'm so. I think it's really cool. Because when you look at an analyze everything you said all the different steps you talk. You always had one constant theme than able to locate. And i'm sure you're aware of it now too is you are looking to put some more good into the world. You're always helping others so even when you're that stuttering kid in the garage get togethers. You provided people in escape to kind of be able to console me like. Hey maybe i didn't have the best but hanging hanging out with johnny right now because you know he just makes things fun. He's the life of the party if you will and i don't mean that in. Hey other people aren't fun but that's what you were. People came to you and gravitate with you and then look at all the other steps promoting concerts. Well you're helping out with charity helping artists producing things and that's once again putting others in front and so it's really cool that i'm finally able to sit and saying oh now when i look at it it was in my face all along. I was trying to find something else. Saying wait real estate philanthropy but also an entertainer but now he's produced like it didn't make sense but just hearing you speak hearing your different life stories and kind of eating up all the different types of wisdom you're able to bring along that's kind of what kept me a little bit silent. Josh is still blowing away. Look he hasn't even said anything. Like how did tommy not talk for like forty minutes. Is that even possible. Life disconnected but once again so johnny. I'm not sure if. I did a good or poor job and trying to summarize you because once again. You can't summarize you like you said you define yourself almost as a conduit. So i don't want to be disrespectful and saying oh here's the definition of what you are but it's so humbling to hear someone that said just like me right now. I feel like that stuttering kid who does not have that right direction in life. Because i fell into what society told me saying. Oh work nine to five just make enough money to pay the bills and if you somehow have some energy after the forty hours you put it in your nine to five and do pocket do something you wanna do. But it's not going anywhere but that's kind of where you come in saying. Whoa whoa whoa. Whoa whoa don't let the universe dictate your schedule. You should dictate your schedule. Kind of thing so hearing someone go through all that tribulations. The different curves that life has thrown you. Whether it's tragic or making question where you were just hearing you talk hearing you being able to use these metaphors and beautiful eloquent ways. That's able to connect us. We've known you. The whole time is definitely town. You how which is an option. Josh can say it's no surprise you are where you are now. You're you're absolutely. I think i think that You probably didn't get an opportunity to talk. Because i was sent you grab your mouth but i think you know I was about to say Just went year here and just came on the table. Turk is now. I started to black when you had to know what it is. I mean my mean talented. I mean shapiro. Pr she's been another. Angel mentor and unbelievable person remained in my house. Then she tells him since he's john. You gotta learn to say no. I mean how many things you're going to take on you know. This is not real. You better agreed. Focus whatever and she's she's right okay but you know when it comes like things like wine kids. I see you know. I just can't help. You know i just don't think kind of you know i can't i can't say no okay but you know it. It's important that will remain. Structured and realistic widow should time engines. Working myself so all these projects are but they will go alone. They have their own for critical pets. They find more way and slowly. You know. I might doctor trying to control the right. People in high places takes time because at the end of the day. You know. I'm the guy on stage on. I just wanna i just wanna have a audience. I want to take them way from their lives. Make them smile. Give him the gift of entertainment k. You know the in conduit like that set of music. I think i have it on my website. This quote came as woke up with store. And you know when you think of something jabs four especially me. Write it down. Forget right. it's like a dream. Don't think it's right down with forget my like to mention you really do. Come away with your morning I think in the rug is Is conveyed and spoken to the medium of artistic musical expression something. I'll be words more. I'll because really think that is true. Music is vibration just connections and you know eight used the word soul. I'm jay really bedser. there's something to it is actually the signs j. He sings prays twice. And i get an up getting into religion but just something that i think is very very important for people to realize this music in a time machine i mean. How many times have you listened to a song. And you haven't heard long time just for that one sec urine a car get a your first or your remember that first experience you had you know on your birthday when you got your first car on your first failure i or i loss or whatever when you think music that brings you back there using is a companion that takes us to life okay. It's a friendly combatant. When when when i had to wait for my mom you know there was this beautiful song by cape mole graves. I think of from that. Chet children's will refrozen to hold all found and You know the day that she passed you know throughout the day happened here that on on on that song that movie what have you listen to the words and one worse it says like you know find you and your mother finds find your way across the river. Okay and You know. I've played it on our way. Okay because i got better send-off could they do something like that. Experiencing the celebration of life had my mom so for everyone else that has loss up there. Okay i i make kumble suggestion that induce something and the best thing that you could do for losing somebody that you love to do something for humanity. Because that's what really matters. And that and was gonna count send some good good sense. Some good currency of the currency of love and human immune saw that is super dander very humble in very very olsen man. We definitely need more more people like you become good shot. If we did we the world would be andy shit. Old abbey are in now. Things can be so much and it's it's very reassuring in uplifting to know that there are still people like you out in the world and that the people The difference in to to do the work that people seem to sit on. And i'm glad you're you're here to be able to spread the word to be able to tell the others that had this is the message. This is what we gotta do because this is important stuff and this is like the biggest age humanity. We only live such a very very small sliver. This large time line of history. We have and i think we seem to forget how insignificant in that i'm line it may seem but we we have a very very big positive impact that we can make today and in the future for the for the rest of humanity so i i definitely appreciate what you do and your team of course because you don't like taking all the credit but It it it takes a strong person in a strong leader to be that that bulldog to lead that team As well as you do so kudos to you thank you again. It's not not looking to take credit here but you know maybe consider me a lightning rod to catch the lightning. Anybody bring other people around so that we can work together. It's k. and You know the business with show entertainment and just loose leisa a chair. Lois be part of what i do. You know and we're talking about you know warning loss and you know Evect i said just make time during the day like what i do is i'm gonna grieve. I'm gonna cry and jay. But i'll say this out there for people that have gone to trump times. You know kind of like making time during the day alone you could cry. J. crying is healing crying. Crying is option. You know you're not and if anything or loved one would want you to do you know it's two parent and out there especially parents parents but You know you wanna do something to make a difference to make that person's memories special to me that was connecting when other people in a positive way so Thank you for those kind words. And i'm overwhelmed but again it's all about the people around me because without them. I'm not i'm just. I'm still not just in kid behind a desk. And i'm blessed to be because i'm having a great time i'm breaking my but sometimes but that's okay. I got these two hands. I got my soho johnny signature hat. And i'm gonna keep it real out there you know. And i'm gonna go through that door. I stumble and fall. Maybe i will. But i i'm gonna i'm gonna get to the other side no matter what happens and i want to do it with my hands outreached because that feel good makes a difference for sure and and that's i mean it's amazing to have you because the reason we started this podcast would is because i mean twenty. Twenty was a mess in we wanted. We wanted to get people off of everything that they're seeing around the and more attuned at fun kinda like take a moment to forget the world around you. Just just step out of that bubble. Gets a definitely reshape that you you're the environment of what we up to be. Well i just if we can make a difference in one person's life. that's that's an accomplishment. Thanks oh we're all together. Just make a difference and that will determine absolutely again. Check out the ones who which in young is keeping up and keeping you know keeping the word out there You know there's so many. I saw You know stephen king. Jane then a movie long movie it was was was a series years ago on the stand and just redone. You who cbs ending. Cbs on all access at cbs Soon as turnings in paramount bosses something streaming and we did it but basically the premise berkowitz ironic probably why they released it. Now again is out at nine seventy percent of the world. I ve been damning ninety seven percent and the three percents. Violence came when outlet by some powerful Late this d- godlike wars and then the other side will meant when recaptured pilot. And mike doubt an devil kind of showers show bit and has since peaked trying to win on that caring and that's the whole struggle between that was a great great great movie back then insurance. Did i just saw the last episode the other day but the moral of the story of that mccain things you know these things do make a difference. You know there's a reason for we're not supposed to understand whenever going to see if there's one thing about the greatest intelligent people are is that you learn that you know enough about not about something Actually this is actually called by astrophysicist. Always knowing those universities icing with green line but you know you know enough about the world to know this much but if you really but not enough to know that you really don't know things you talked about a cia. Intelligence is the neons and so much more than i need to look up into the night sky at night you see stars whi i could be however ten thousand years ago. It took ten thousand lightyears eucharist. Mother wanted to be only four. So you slowly working at a history book now. Another person can see something else with this is from prisons. Or it's all about being the is be older. And i choose and i hope to instill upon put the is in the light of passions in chuck. Johnny i'm just happy to say. I know you have been a so generous with your time and just kind of generous with everything they've done in your life. So i know josh and i are really excited to be generous to you now and say you mentioned that you have soho radio will be more than willing to take over that venture for you. We can be this show on there. It's off the books. You don't even have to worry about it. We'll take care of all the logistics one thing plates could use your strength to continue to capitalize on these beautiful moments where you're able to provide people comfort. And so don't worry. Josh we got it. You got nothing to worry about that. Thank you so so. so home. Record in tribeca records are two labels where we sponsor artists or publishing companies saw soho publishing breathing. Ny and Different things in the studios kosovo incubators. So i kind of kept that. Soho involve lows. Different things in the Thank you for that offer You know that's coming around rodney ben. Now we'll see how that all comes together very interesting but it's a it's kinda everything's tying together you know it's almost It's almost like you know. It's kind of a Intriguing to me to see how these things is slowly coming together. Most he was meant to be. And hopefully you know. I say if you'd always keep a positive spin on it you know you wanted to always have that feel good. I wanted always to have that outreach gang because if there's anything of a legacy i want to leave behind his that for the future just try to do my little difference my little tiny piece. They're trying to make a difference year. So we'll that having a good time because remember people to follow your passion if you can write this place for everything out there and i'm not trying to be too altruistic here on non realistic i should say because some people say they can't do it as they gotta work in a job. Hey whatever you know. It's a matter of just mental attitude is tweaking. If you could just change experience with the people that you work with a little bit. That'll make a difference too so nothing happens overnight so that's I don't want to sound too much on preaching here by getting i gave up. I'm sorry about that but it's a part of my journey. What's happened to me. So i'm just sharing just was happy to me Just a lot of exciting stuff why we have a lot of exciting stuff. Coming down the line Again i mentioned it before encourage people to sign up for mangla so johnny dot com in the usual suspects just email china's so johnny dot com awesome. Well i mean. I again greatly greatly appreciate the time that you put into doing what you do. And more importantly taking the time out of that precious time to spend with us and spread the word. Because it's an bless your dad. I'm glad he's doing much better when everything came. You know because you know you said before we do nothing. Nothing gets done through these things. And i believe and we keep fighting. You know. Listen you talk about the controversy of medical tech for the inauguration center for covered. You know they rushed him through. you know. life is a matter of risk right you get. We have to accept that. It's like you has greater risk to maybe get covered or taken inoculations. Some people are nervous about it. It's not my place to advise with that but you know life is everything is a risk but we have to do something about it. Maybe a cure for cancer. You know i. There was a doctor that was driving and this is going back in the nineties for my dad died. Get some cure for brain cancer and actually took him to philadelphia. We tried but you know the more research more research more and more answers will come out as a matter of fact you know. This novel is not really a vaccine people quote vaccines media called. It's not a vaccine for that comes out to shots yet The technical medical science actually a pathogen but the way that it is way to delivery is our a and i wanna get into it. I'm not. I'm not a doctor but has some possibilities to help cancer too so but we've gotta help that and it has to be money has to be all this research and everything so those type of things because maybe you know if you help will make a difference you not see evening your lifetime and maybe somebody in the future and i pray that You know we improve the experience life here on this planet for each other and preserve the values of human nature and kindness that we have in our high to. That's all we have at the end of the day. Not no labels no nothing just the kindness. Our hearts our families in the people that we choose yourselves around in all matters. I definitely appreciate that Tom is there any you wanted to say. Now i like. I said i know. I don't want to sound like a broken record but it's just nice to continue to have that kind of reassurance. I know a lot of the times we get on especially with the median. Things like not to get too controversial. There's just a lot of negative messages or things tend to kind of paint in light almas. It's almost become a joke. Like i almost avoid watching the news because i know i'm going to be very vibe. Might be up here after the news. It's way down here. Because i'm like. Oh gosh it's almost like they put like one fifty nine minutes of just terrible news in the min- like oh but here's a dog riding. A you know tricycle that everything's supposed to be okay but i'm like hold on. That doesn't cover up the fact that millions and millions of people being impacted by things all around the world but then once again it's humbling are in an opportunity to be able to sit down with people that are so successful and just continuing to not just have a brand but tried to be so intricate and careful and strategically trying to have a brand continues to invoke this type of emotion. Saying no matter. How big soho johnny gets. He wants to stay true to his roots. He wants that message to be the same regardless of what platform that he has. And i know you're kind of saying it's really cool to kind of see everything. Those universe kind of coming back together. I was joking around and thinking in my head. It's almost like you know everyone talks about that. Marvel cinematic universe with the superheroes like there's all these different movies and it all came to one. You're you have a real estate thing. You have a music happening over here producing movie over here and helping our so. It's almost like you're creating your own empire kind of thing but it's really cool because a lot of the times personally. Maybe it's just me. When i think of emperor like there's an evil person on top of that empire there too powerful but it's really cool to see someone like this sitting down taking time with us on this amazing mindless morning show and just also just hearing saying. Hey it's cool to hear the strategic steps are taking but then to be able to pick your brain and find the true essence of everything and once again essence of soho johnny. That i'm your all. The listeners are now understanding. As well as it's we're all humans at the end of the day when the lights are off about to go to sleep. we're all primal. we're all vulnerable. We all go to sleep. We all have the same type of emotions but it's almost like the world tried to paint image thing to know your you have to bring other people down. You have to make sure europe on top and so it's really cold or you it says no. Let's have everyone rise each other out the inner child. You haven't tried yourself. I'm still part of me is still a child and i don't let it go. Let it go a little bit of the fountain of youth. You don't live forever but the inside your heart. your soul your passion is timeless. Is ageless and that in a. I mean you talk about marvel entertainment whenever you getting a big silver age comics. Get buff right here and there. He is our moderate now. In our times to martin disney was. And i met this man lee stanley. They're using his autograph. Obey but you know. The point is that you know big spiderman. Great power comes great. Pot brought responsibility. So you know. I've been blessed in certain ways and that's your responsibility and looking at as well and Speak today younger. Person that i'm talking to or advising you know besides the passion you know also keep that you keep keep that in a child is alive. Don't let that become old. Maybe you may get gray hair. Maybe make it older on the outside your body because we only have one body and always feed that. Recognize that feed into that again mob. Yourself and in a humble humble way is in that way. It's to connect over to accept into kind times ilie back. Almost be the thesis of this show right now. It's get back in touch with that childish. Wonder i feel like as we grow older. We get deteriorated when everyone jokes. Oh no one told me about this about adulting then the real reality hits you kinda get a peek behind the curtain and you get so jaded but a lot of times. It's almost as simple as you said this. Simplicity in the us. It's just if everyone could just get back in touch your childish ways just that fascination that you had just a ni- naive wonder you had. Why not just get back in touch. Don't let reality if you will jade you if everyone can kind of get back into those routes children don't kinda see each other in. Oh that's pure evil. That's everyone is just so out to look for the good in the world. We're not looking for the negative eighty and so just as simply as you put it. I think if everyone kinda gets touch in touch with her childlike ways. I feel like the universe if you will if you put all that nice energy in there has to have some kind of trickled down effect and i feel like that's one thing that I hope a lot of people that are listening going to hopefully try to walk away with. Its changing that perspective. You're going to be in the same situation but if you change that perspective that could do so many different things for you the old saying that you always hear you know when you really give you when you give you really received in in order to when you actually give is when you really learn you'll always back and I've always heard that my whole life. It wasn't so. I started getting involved with the charity work. And all this other stuff. They didn't come new me. Because it may help reinvent my life and it gave me a you know. And the connections and the people in the love that i received and i continue to receive. And what's happened to me is been a renaissance. But it was. I think you know because you kind of when you shine a light in the dark tunnel you track the other people more light around. You know it's just that simple so goodness is contagious. Smiling is contagious very very simple. As you just said you know he bet child keep that all always love captain. America always gonna love. You know the avengers you know. And i want to be on the team and it's all about teamwork out about mates about teat team. I i am so excited for this. Johnny show this point. Because i mean is obviously is going to be the best. It's going to be a lot of good messages for to see. That's good very good. Yeah for sure we're we're gonna have all all links to everything for you out in the description of the videos and the audio and everything is i mean you've given us so many whys messages already. But is there any one thing that you want to tell our listeners. I would like to say in february listening to us. 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Hour 1: Good Or Bad Thing?

First Take

45:30 min | 2 years ago

Hour 1: Good Or Bad Thing?

"My name is Lauren. I'm thirty three. I didn't want my identity to be the smoking mom my first experience with jewel. I do remember being like distance good. It's it's it's like a cigarette. But not I don't miss smoking. At all. Like, I can officially say it grosses me out jewel is the tobacco alternative that delivers nicotine satisfaction without cigarette. Asher lingering odor. Make the switch and J U L dot com slash sports. Warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. What's going on? Everybody would win. I take on a Tuesday Lomax Calvin. Are you? Play as in our nation's capital. Stephen Evans going on what's going on. How you doing? How you doing? How's everything all good? We're ready to do this you dress. What are you dress this brick today? What are you showing what first of all max, take stylish notes? This is blue. I find the ram of live somewhere. So I know when I'm brick I'm usually wearing black. You know, I'm a hindrance for the mob. Put a hit out on somebody. You know, what this is blue, this is just Stalin and profile gun basis? Cap. What I'm saying to do it a little sun take? No, I gotta take a hit out on you all show today. So let's go actually that's not true. I'm here for you Matt's. Because last time I checked you have a reason to be very very depressed and upset this morning. So I'm here for you. Thank you. Steve Nye we kick things off but Monday night football in line. Manning engineers is thirty six game winning drive and Odell Beckham junior. Find endzone twice as the New York. Football giants nap there side game losing streak with a twenty seven twenty three win in the bay area. John. I mean, that's that's fun. It's fun playing in those games. And and having a two minute drive to win it. Those are the situations. You want to be in? You want to have a chance, obviously. Yeah. You'd love to have a to score lead with the little time and and run it out or or whatnot. But. You know, you prepare and practice and for those two minute drives through a win win football games, New York's right there, you go have fun. L the phone. He like, I've given it all I'm trying to go to sleep early. I'm trying to drink more water. I'm trying to. Be able to beat him up every Monday, his two months. Too much. But I really am trying to get my best to my teammates organization in their myself. Because I know that this windows so small. Dowell trying to stay hydrated trying to get in bed early. Max we finally get a win? But it's even a good thing. It's not a win. It's a loss. This is a competition last night. Do people even understand the game. That was being played last night. It's a race to the bottom. These are to bottom feeding teams that are both jockeying or should be for the number one. Overall, pick of the draft yesterday quarterbacks are in this draft this year one his name is Justin Herbert. That's it. There's one quarterback there were four quarterbacks in the last draft. There's go by coming out next year quarterbacks after that. But it is widely known that this draft. If there's a quarterback there is one. So if you need one then it's a race to that slot and the giants lost in that race to a team without their quarterback, Jimmy G. I know they think they found something back but still the giants won. This is a franchise that cannot get out of its own way. And by the way, the the Dell sound is significant because what they are doing is wasting the prime of the most talented wide receiver. I have ever seen. They're wasting it think about what's going on here. I think about like the only upside to all this is that maybe Stephen they've Magoo their way into a good situation. Remember, Mr. Magoo on the construction site. Who's literally blinds, we didn't know the everything was falling all around him. But he just kept walking straight and suddenly at the F somehow by the end for to its lead just by chance by luck. He wound up. Okay. Everything was okay. Maybe that's the giants. Maybe the fact is that they're going to win four games this year. If you look at the schedule maybe there four wins there. And so they will not be able to draft a quarterback. So they will be forced to fix their offense of line. And then they won't be any good next year either without a quarterback. And so they'll wind up with Tunga vilo, maybe they'll Magoo their way into a good situation. But the win last night was obviously actually a loss. When max Kellerman. I mean, first of all I need you to calm down. It's okay. You know? You know, you sound you come onto you start to show off such negativity. Agreed my spirit, you grieve must spirit max you need to chill out. And relax and understand. What this is about the reality of the situation is that you have valid points. That's true. If saquon Barkley and Odell Beckham junior weren't on the field. But if they're going to be on the field. What do you want him to do lose on purpose? You can't do that. If you if you're gonna make that call max, and I don't disagree with you that is stupid for them to win football games. But I think it's even more stupider for them to be playing saquon Barkley and Odell Beckham junior if the goal is to lose clearly they want to discover and find out what the rest of their crew has. We know what saquon Barkley brings to the table. We wish he had more help Odell Beckham junior targeted eleven tops. You only connected with them all four cages I and you saw all the throws that ally missed where Dell Beckham to Yami, and he was like channel you'll Seco channel. Jessica we just saw him in New York the few weeks ago. You know, what he said to me looked at me, Steven. I'm still open. I'm still open as what he's saying. And this is what Dow Beckham junior always is practically both did. But he li- Manny can't get them in the ball. Why do you have them on the field? If you're trying to lose football games. Clearly, you're not trying to lose football games because you're playing them. Then you gotta go for it. And that's the only explanation. I will give you I wish I could be here for you today in another capacity. I wish I could alleviate your concerns. I wish I could dissipate your frustration. But the reality is I can't help the air max Kellerman because you're playing Odell Beckham junior and you're playing on Barclay. And if they're going to be on the field for you. It makes absolutely no sense to go out there, you gotta you gotta you gotta play him to. But because they need rhythm with their quarterback who's not going to be ally man and going forward it's going to be Kyle will lead at least in the short term because the advice and sign Colin Kaepernick, by the way, if you're not going for the number one pick in the draft. Why didn't you? Assign capper Nick back win earlier in the season. When I suggested it because narrow doesn't wanna turn off fans, you would turn off some of your fans, you would turn on your others. And by the way, the fans that would be turned on by signing capper, Nick or taking note of the fact that you're saying to hell with us. You're choosing the fans that would be turned off apparently because ally manning is cooked. He's toast. I know he played well last night, by his standards this he played that with that. I agree with that too. By the way, I said so I said by his standards this season. But this is ridiculous. There's no rhyme or reason here they stuck with Jerry Reese, the previous GM too long he botched draft after draft. Justin Pugh was a number. It was the first round pick. Rich bird was the second round pick and try to fix the offensive line. It didn't work. They're both gone flowers was a first round pick. He's gone this new regime, just drafted we'll Hernandez. I think he's going to be good. But they've spent a lot of draft capital on the line. They haven't fixed it, they stay. They had Davis Webb. They bench Eli manning. They don't give him any reps. They don't find out who he was. They get rid of them because he's the Jerry Reese guy now, they have LA lettre. He tries to cut a few lanes driving to work. So now, they won't play him. They're sticking with Stephen. I'm the biggest Eli manning fan. There is I feel nothing but gratitude for his career you couldn't think where he delivered to Super Bowls in one time in. Max actually max, I would make the argument you've been entirely you've been very very hard on Eli cruel. Dare a high school within aren't you? Last name with him. Hey with friends like you who needs enemies, that's the bottom line. I think you've been very very cruelly minute. Now does he deserve a different subject? But still in all it doesn't the gate. The fact that you have been very very cruel in a luminated all the deficiencies that he has put on display time and time again having said all of that. Let's give the giants credit for this. They have been consistent collar cabinet doesn't get side. Because there is he would be a distraction kala letter goes out there running traffic, you know, committing traffic violations trying to run over police officers. No question Brennan rented to practice trying to get the two I note that rowdy took I know exactly doing. He was trying to get to practice on time. God. Trying to get on this, man. Trying to sit up there literally go through hurdles, literally go through them trying to get the practice for these pathetic giants and that he gets. He gets bench remains on the bench. This is what I'm saying. It's consistent visits action. You say the giants don't want distraction. You're damn right signing capper. Nick would have been a distraction. It would've distracted the fans from the fact that this franchise in recent years has been pathetic. They stuck with the GM too long in the previous coach was no good. They botched the draft after draft after draft. They are now in a position to actually draft up high. They're wasting draft capital falling in the draft because they're winning meaningless games. They're exposing as you said, I don't mind playing you're running back in your star wide out. But you need to protect them in terms of minutes. Played. I mean, you want to give them a little rhythm with the new incoming quarterback. Even if he's going to be a backup in the letter fine. But none. Of this adds up to anything. It doesn't make sense what they're doing. There's no rhyme or reason there's no plan this franchise, which I've always been so proud of my whole life. The giants have been proud to be a giants fan in recent years has turned into a joke. It pains me to say it, but that is the real deal. Well, listen, let me say this though. We are really fall away from your thinking is that you're saying, okay. You're trying to get the number one overall pick because of the draft. Well, you've acknowledged that the one quarterback in the draft of this kid, Justin Everett Herbert out of Oregon. Right, right. Ain't even complete. He's not even completed sixty percent of his best. The fact that a Matt is is that he might be the best quarterback available. But that doesn't mean he'd be a good quarterback for the next level. I'm not saying he will won't because I haven't really watched him. What I'm saying? You is we don't know that we still be we'll know what to was coming out in the NFL draft. And he was football's version of ten Dunkin all abroad, James or something along those lines where you knew who to shore surefire absolutely bona fide number one overall pick in the draft who's going to be then I understand you're thinking. But if you don't know that and you and the only thing you've got to fall back on a Justin Herbert, and and you're not particularly sold. On him. Then excuse me. It's not a priority to get the number one overall pick in the US, right? But you still have more draft capital the higher you draft up. They're going to win three or four games this year. Number one, number two, whatever the case may be so what as long as Tom reaping? What are you care? If you don't know if it's not a quarterback if that's the fit attractive, right? It doesn't matter guys. That's what I'm saying. They're going to Magoo their way into a good situation because they're not going to draft a quarterback because her. So emotional because freshness is relying on dumb luck. Because they make dumb decisions that does not bode well for the future. No, there's not a quarterback their definitive. So as long as that's not the case. I think you find what the giants win. They now have the fifth Beth's chance max to land the way fifth. All right. So here we are everybody. Let's move on. It's Tuesday of week eleven November twelve better known as lady on deadline day. This story has been a wild turn of events all season. Now, he's not expected to return Stephen egg. Well, he regret not coming back to the Steelers this season. I think he will. I understand from a businessman corrective he wants to make himself healthy. You know, an eligible for twenty nine thousand nine free agency. But according to recent reports that we've learned less than two weeks ago. You know, he can still pursue a another team in free agency. The Steelers can franchise tag him again as a result. They will probably have the opportunity to match any offer that he gets out there. What have you? But it just seems to be a similar situation waiting for him next season then to the one that was just in this season. And if that's the case all you did was miss out on fifteen million dollars fourteen point twenty five million to be exact if I remember directly. I mean, that's that's what this comes down to in the process. What does he done that? I think that he's alienated team that he plays four. And I think he's created huge question marks for himself for any potential team that may pick them up now, obviously when you're as great as Levy on bell is and there's no question that he is great any team is going to clamor for him. But I keep reminding you to in the National Football League they look for excuses to low ball. You and I don't think there's any doubt there's any question. No one can argue that Levy on bell has not elevated his market value. So you've either kept it stagnant or it's diminished. And I don't understand how you can allow that to happen while in the same breath missing out on over fourteen million dollars. I do. Please explain it. I'm okay there a couple of things number one. He made never recoup the money. Fully like, let's say a one hundred percent of the money. He would have gotten if he had played this season. And he will get something like ninety percent of the money. He would have made in his career because he didn't play this season something like that some percentage that approximates it, but doesn't quite match because he lost a full season of franchise tag money, which is a lot of money. There are a couple of things that offset that one there's risk involved in playing this year, which could have jeopardised a huge contract going forward that could have happened. And so why do people buy insurance those premium payments? They're gone. It's encases, Chris Chris rock said something happens in case right in case, something happens. So the risk carries a premium he paid the premium this season to avoid that risk. That's one. If that's still doesn't do it for you. And I think it's reasonable. If that doesn't there's something else that we came zero attention to because we're so cynical. What has Levy on bell consistently said about this? He's not. Just doing this for himself. He's blazing a trail. He's showing away. And I just missed that summarily. Okay. Right. You gotta say that PC answer because you're doing this for other people Levy under doing it for all the running backs coming up behind you. We're other labor, you know, just other players in the NFL dealing with franchise tagger dealing with the team. Never paid it any real mind. But like, let's take that at face value for a second. What is at the players disposal to counter act, the which clearly favors the owners and the teams by a lot like what can they do? Well, you're going to take the franchise tag, right because it's a lot of money, and even though you're risking. That's why the team what what's in it for the team to stop the franchise tag on you. Well, they may pay that high premium for you this season, but they don't have to risk a longer term deal with guaranteed money in a sport where your health is jeopardized on every play. That's why teams used the franchise tag. Well, there's a way around that guy's says Latvian bell. You simply don't pay you simply don't play. They don't pay and you don't play like it's going to be painful, you're going to give up a little money. It may work out in the washer gonna lose some. Okay. Yes. One you're not jeopardizing the real big guaranteed contracts because of the show. Money. Hold on. I'm coming back with another question because you confuse me on this point. Okay. He sits out this year. He comes back next year. What is he coming back to a long term deal or similar situation? Then he departed. Oh, no, no. So here's the difference. They can't just tag them again right by now, here's a free agent. So now trying you can talk to other teams. Now, he may have to stay in Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, we'll have to match the offer. But he's arrived at so-called unrestricted free agency. That's my understanding. Yes. My understanding which is why. That's why ask the question because here's where I'm going max we cover the NBA. Like, I do those situations have happened in the NBA in the past. Here's what transpires when you're a restricted free agent. It's understood that the bait that's basically what this comes down to when the team has an opportunity to match off. Okay. What happens is that the belief is if a team gives the impression they're not trying to lose you, no matter what and less. They're going to get equitable compensation. And I'm here to tell you right now. I don't think. The Steelers believe that levian bell is worth a third round compensatory pick as they don't qualify as as equitable compensation, which is what you would get if you let him go next year. The bottom line is this you believe you're of the belief that the Steelers are going to retain him before losing him as a result and less as directed competitor. That's confident you're going to retain them and therefore wants to cap strap you they don't make you to offer because they're like, we ain't got a chance at keeping this guy. And as a result, it hinders you which is why so many guys clamor for unrestricted free agency as opposed to restrict if we got. Understand what you're saying is just I don't think it's going to work for Levy on in a manner that you, and I are vibrant back and forth about because I think that the NFL teams recognizing that the Steelers can match it going to use that as a dissuasive measure, lectures. I'm just speculating, but that's what I think's gonna happen. Let's use that lens to assess now Levey on bells behavior when all saying, he's crazy. What does he doing this for he's dampening his value? Well, if what you're saying is true. And if Levy is perceiving it that way. Maybe he's crazy. Like, a FOX think about what Mike Tomlin said we want volunteer's, not hostages. So maybe the odds making the problem in Pittsburgh. So they won't match. Furthermore, even if the perception is that's a good point. Maybe even if the percentage point is they will match that will only damp in Azam around the league, which may suppress his value a little, but that's not enough to scare teams away from making an offer. If they think they have a reasonable shot to get him and. Our teams out there that were greatly benefit from Lebanon bells presence, even at the high price tag. I get you max. And I understand I'm Bob in with you on that. But I will tell you this. This is not just about business any longer because of coach from Mike Tomlin because of quotes from various guys in the Steelers locker room, you can make the argument that it transcends business, and there's more going on here. Then meets the I I'm not saying that's the case I'm saying that seems to be a concerted effort on a part of the Pittsburgh Steelers to make the picture look at as if it's more than just business. And when that happens, you never know how that could compromise a particular players market ability in this case Levin bell. You can write people like like, for example. There's a couple of times max that you know, he's failed e-e-e-e-no each fail the drug tests. Okay. He's been suspended in the past before, you know, damn well that there's going to be people out there. That's looking at him refusing the show up if he doesn't sign a day missing out on. Fourteen billion. And you know, there's going to be people that are speculating. All right. Why didn't he really Shaw with really going on here? These are the kind of questions that get at that. So I just wish he had guarded against this stuff better. But I hope it works out the big time player, I respect his position. And I don't think he's wrong in doing what he's doing. But I will say this. What the hell you come back from Miami the Pittsburgh floor if you had no intentions of resigning with the Steelers right now, why don't you? I would say in response to that simply that while is intelligence is being questioned like that's cre-. He's creator sanity he's crazier. He's not smart in macro navy. Maybe what I'm not saying. You're saying mailing what we should be saying. He has guts it takes guts to do. What he did? The problem is the players on the team needs to be saying that and his own teammates are not saying that. And that's where I'm saying because they know they need them. They and he left them design from self less than their first in the division six into without. And that's what I know smoking always affected my day. Early life because I was a closet smoker. It really sort of controlled my entire day. My boss is the one that recommended Jewish. So I decided to give it a try. 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But then Glenn Durant in the huddle at hand of regulation and looks like they're getting into it DeMarcus cousins right there piece to an OT worldly three to Rantiss fouled out of the game with thirty three points, eleven rebounds and ten is's eleven through triple double. He's out of the game. Steve Perkins naturally that. Game this tied one sixteen. Lou Williams drives and hits the layup. Take the lead the clippers win steep correctly. The game talking about how much miss hurry. Changes. Take him out. Now, let's get you back to I take. I see, you know, the deal Draymond and Katie begin into it during an OT loss to the clippers of all teams. Stephen I spent what's her reaction to these two. Well, first of all like, I said to Jalen on get up this morning, and even though Galen Jalen made a very valid points. It was difficult for me to take sides. Obviously. No, Kevin Durant should have the ball in his hands. He's one of the most prolific score is we have ever seen in NBA history that mash should have the ball in his hands. But the Golden State Warriors have utilized Draymond green as a playmaker at the forward spot throughout his career. So I would have been far more adamant against Raymonde head they gotten the ball pass half court, and he didn't find Kevin Durant. But Kevin Durant was slapped. But for the ball right under the right under the opposing team's basket. So I didn't take it with the degree of seriousness that everybody else might have had. But if I had to take a side, obviously, it would be Kevin Durant side because he's one of the greatest scores we've ever seen six seconds left. He can push the ball up the form self and pull up from thirty. You make sure that man has the basketball. It's just that simple with that being said the other side, I take from this is the clippers max Kellerman. I'm going to say this on national television this kid Montreal's Herro Louisville that comes off the bench for the Los Angeles Clippers that had twenty three points and eight rebounds last night. This kid is the closest thing to Dennis Rodman in today's NBA. This brother is energy personify. He's hard core. I love him. And I can't say enough about how much I love. Lou Williams coming off the bench, you only shot five eighteen last night. But came on when it counted. This can't Lou Williams the clippers should be cited for that. Because this guy getting paid three years twenty four million. Eight million dollars a year in today's NBA economy with this dude is the microwave he's modern day. Microwave Vinnie Johnson coming off the pitch for team the clippers were those two guys coming off the bench. I can't say enough about it. Max I can't say enough about the job. Doc Rivers is doing far with these clippers but getting back to Kevin Durant dre take Assad, it would be Kevin Durant. But it wasn't that big of a deal to me couple of things before we even get to my main point I want to respond to that. You just said Lula has been underpaid his whole career player. Player. He's a good damn good. Lou Williams is Graham, and he and his last contract was for like seven or eight year, which by NBA standards. He remains a steal. Okay. Doc Rivers prefers coaching a team like this with a little less talent. But they play hard and play free and everything because I do and I don't think it's coincidence. Look Jerry West is either the luckiest guy in the world or he brings something to an organization something to a franchise. I mean, look at the track record LA Memphis back to LA goes to to the warriors goes to the clippers wherever he goes a culture of success follows it's not just the transactions. He makes her the advice. He gives his presence in an organization has some kind of affect. I know correlation does not equal causation. But my God what happens time and time and time again. Let me get to the point here. It's interesting you bring up Dennis Rodman because the star in the NBA today who most closely resembles Rodman in terms of his position on a team. In other words, how good is. He is he the best second best third best player on the team. And his kind of craziness is Draymond green. Green green. Not as crazy as Rodman. But he's more important even to his team. I think Rodman was to his and that's saying a whole lot. Dennis Rodman was an all time. Great player. Drain. The warriors interesting team in that. It's thefts team. He's the engine that makes it go and their most important player. But the best player on the team is K D, but the heart and soul of the team. Who's kind of the second most important player after staff the guy who gives them their identity is dream on. So you have a situation where it's not so cut and dried there's a top dog and everyone else gets in line one of the reasons, and there are several that they are such an all time great team and their their status is so much above the rest of the NBA's is because they have so many great players and the one guy who kind of gets in where he fits in among the great players on team is clay, but otherwise Andreevo dolla has a strong personality. And although he's decline just from age. He's a presence. Draymond green has a very strong personality as I said, he's the heart and soul. K D is the best player with Steph. What there whose team isn't? Right. So a situation like this where two teammates are publicly Jong at each other in this situation is not an unhealthy thing. It's not an embarrassing thing. It's not a dysfunctional thing. Yeah. Right. But who do you think was right? I think they both have points of view. I understand it. I would say that. Ultimately, I agree with you. Stephen a game on the line though. Steph curry, katie's the guy. All right. Let's get to the team that many thought they'd bought them, by the way, Molly as a quick aside. There was a rookie that started for the clippers last night. Shea Alexander special special. Remember, I said that headache last night. Rookie started four games now special watch him. All right. Many experts thought it was a foregone conclusion that the Boston Celtics will be back in the Eastern Conference finals. Right. But this season got off to a shaky start Celtics are seven and six after a one in four road trip ended with a loss to Portland kyri Irving had to say this after the game. We needed this. We're not as good as we think we are. That's what it really comes down to. It's real basketball. Now, it's not just about the potential of the team or where we'll be at the end of the season. It's right now and taking care of what presently is in front of us. We also added that he'd like to see Boston pick up a fourteen or fifteen year veteran as an addition to young roster snacks. The Kyrie's comments. Have you worried about Boston? No, actually, Kyrie's Konitz is exactly what they need. And he's a championship player. He can recognize. They can't just show up and win. Look I like Toronto by a hair over Boston this season Miami by a hair, but Boston is the team which on paper if they're firing on all cylinders makes you think they have the best chance to beat the warriors. They have an absurd starting five. It's an absurd starting five everyone talks about the Boston bench, given it's an excellent veg. Starting five is absurd. Where's the who's the weak link? Jaylen Brown is is he is he the worst. Let me nine Gordon Hayward right now. But if they're all firing at full strength. Jaylen Brown's that we've number three pick in the draft will win who doesn't need the ball. But knows what to do with it. When he gets play both sides, the flip. That's your actual weekly. Starting Jason Tatum franchise player. Kyrie Irving franchise player. Gordon Hayward amac's contract level. Away wing. Not to mention Al Horford Horford V, prototypical big, but none of them are playing. Well, right now, and the reason they're not playing well right now is because they have to reintegrate to or integrate in this case to enormous pieces to the team the primary ball handler of ball. Dominant dribbles allot point guarding score. I point guard in kyri and the two way win Gordon Hayward. The reason one of the main reasons Brown and Tatum got the minutes. They did and developed to the extent they did was a Hayward. Wasn't there? One of the reasons that came shared the ball of so well last year is they didn't have a dribble allot score I point guard. So they have to the beginning of the season will be about them figuring out how to play together. Ultimately, I'm not worried about the Celtics and partly Stephen A, it's because of a comment like that from Kyrie Irving a championship veteran experienced all star who understands what he's looking at and is not going to delude himself. He knows there's. Worth to do. They'll get it done. That's that's where I'm at with the Seattle. Love the fact that Kyrie Irving said this because Connery is holding cats accountable, and let's keep in mind, and Kyrie Irving is averaging twenty one shooting forty six percent from the field. He's shooting forty percent from three point brains. He's doing his job. So let's put this way. Let's let's do as my man Joe Madison on Sirius XM says everyone, let's put it with goats can get it. Okay. Let's get right to it. The problem is Gordon Hayward working him back into the mix. It ain't working kyri back in anything. That's not the problem here. Cari is much as I love Terry Roggio who should be starting for several teams in the NBA. He's that good. And Marcus smart who I'm happy got his money. We understand Cari is on another level and Connery's go do a car is doing the kyri in terms of his mental approach to things is the closest thing that Kobe Bryant he just mirrors the person the idolizes, which is Kobe Bryant, you could see it the way he talks we used to look at Kobe. They used to talk about it, walks and talks and acts like MJ to such a degree. That's what you see in Kyrie Irving when it comes to Kobe. We understand it. And we understand that he's validated. It because he's a champion. And it wasn't watching it spectating while abroad James delivered a good. It was helping the broad James captured Qari average twenty nine and twenty. Seven in those finals eighteen participated in with LeBron James make no mistake about it. He's that big time. So now that we understand that. Where's what's the difference? The difference is that you've got a guy Gordon Hayward. That's under a minute restrictions of twenty five minutes per game. Why is this man starting? I have no problem with Gordon Hayward. I like Gordon Hayward a lot and I think as he gets healthier and healthier. He'll be even better. But he's not there yet. So when I look at Jaylen Brown while look at Jason Tatum. I expected more from them this year, but it's hard to get it from them when you're trying to re-ingratiate Gordon Hayward into the proceedings who got hurt five minutes into his career as a Boston Celtics. So it's not like he played with them all season. And then got hurt. He got her five minutes into his career as a Boston Celtic, which means that you're just learning to play with them. Not just that he got hurt. But it's also you never really played with him before he got hurt. And so as a result of that that a double whammy against the Boston, Celtics. I think it's compromise Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown to Ringo and Brad Stevens has to figure this out. I believe he will because I believe in him. But I think that's what they're working with while you're on this topic. And I'm gonna get to the real reason the Celtics should be worried. It's not because of anything internally with them. But while we're on the topic Tatum's playing much more isel ball nowadays. He went worked out with Kobe Bryant speaking of Kobe Bryant, I don't know if that was the best thing for him on this team. He's playing ball not as good as last year Horford off to a very bad start. I mean, I corps for lot but off to a bad star and part of that maybe because they have to reintegrate Gordon Hayward whose ineffective everything comes down to Hayward. And by the way, also kyri is going to hold the ball longer. It's going to stick with him more than it did last year. So there's less. Kyri? I believe I think some of it is I believe all that stuff will work itself out. But that doesn't that doesn't change the fact that the Celtics still have to contend with the Toronto Raptors with the best record in the Eastern Conference last season and replaced the Marta rose in with co. Why max Kellerman we get to see that litmus test on ESPN Friday because the Rattlers come to town to bomb? Ali yes. Can't remind the Boston Celtics this year. Yes. They lost the second game of the derogato-. They also lost to Orlando who I'll watch T and DC last night, not that impressive. They should've lost. They lost to the Pacers, the nuggets the jazz and the Trail Blazers. So it's clearly a problem with the Celtics. They're going to get this off figured out by playoff. S still got face Toronto. Which may be the problem. Dallas passionate. We've got to keep it rolling. Celtics rafters on ESPN Friday. I can't believe it. Let Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit. Get there get there. I'll really get there. Now. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What's best buttoned-down? What's this button? Dale button-down? Believe that guy. Could you? Percent or more on car insurance. Elsewhere Super Bowl hangover for real the birds are coming crashing down in. Jeff mclean. Writes a column blaming Doug Peterson for blowing the season. Now, many were critical of how Peterson deployed golden taint Sunday night who they spent a third round pick on. Here's Peterson talking to the media yesterday. I've said this before the resiliency of this group and how they bounce back on on Tuesday Wednesday Thursday, Friday and Saturday leading up to the next week. But the thing is we got a string more these weeks together with these winds, and that's that's not the case right now. And and I mean, you can you know, we can make excuses of injuries and all that kind of stuff, and we try not to do that. But. You know, we've just got to make sure that this group, and this is what I I really respect about this group and what I heard in the locker room after the game from some of our leaders that they're disappointed. They're disappointed in the way. They play the disappointed in the outcome of the game. And they know that we talk about having no regrets no regrets during the week and no regrets on Sundays. And and and right now, we got to continue to work on that. Eagles are. They tend to rule champ to start under five hundred ten weeks the next season. None of those nine thousand nine hundred went on to make layoff. What goes here? I'll go. I gave me in Woody. Graham. But man, I'm feeling for the real goodness chair right now. Molly looks good right? I feel real we'll make myself real comfortable in the spot. A couple of things first of all nobody gets comfortable in much here. We all know that. But I Don I wouldn't make a big deal about that. Because you just exposing yourself by being in my tip because everybody knows the difference. That's number one number two. What did I tell you about showing up on my show without a top? Right. Could you could you wear? Die on either. One cannot Kate. I'm you an answer. Gee whiz. Something of a blue. I mean hanging out. Lanarkshire? All right. I wear when I want a daily for all he knows you could be wearing a blue tie. He's on right now. Stephen as as much contrast is the one you're wearing all I'm gonna say y'all my last point y'all could take notes from me on how to dress and y'all are gonna find out soon. Why Dr saying that I'm not gonna tell you. Why? Crowds coming. So the film. Is he going to be in why or something watch why coming in a few weeks ago? Oh, all right, guys. I'm going to start with you on this max. Yeah. Do the eagles problems? Prove that last year was just fluky. They were not fluky last year. They got a little lucky, but there's a big difference. Almost every team that has ever won the Super Bowl has gotten a little lucky to ball has to bounce your way a little because you're playing good teams. And if the ball bounces their way here or there, or you know, you avoid injury. That's how it goes. Look were they likely to repeat as Super Bowl champions. Of course, not even the favorite is never the favorite. They're just the odds on favourite. There's still three four five to one against at best. Right. The eagles last year. Let's look at this year. Let's look at what's going on this year. They return a an injured and still developing quarterback. There live is banged up particularly their tackles there to best linemen when they're on the field are banged up. They lost their entire running game. One to free agency to injury. They lost their speed guy on the outside. They like. They lost their offensive coordinator. And they lost their quarterback coach. So have had happened after you went to Super Bowl. They lost a few close games that were going there in the raiders won like eleven games a couple of years ago. You knew they really weren't that goes. 'cause they when you win super close games on a lucky bounce you there that tends to reverse it self. And now you lose those games or you don't win them. All so all those things have conspired to keep the eagles as a five hundred team fundamentally they're very team going forward. I liked their future. They won the Super Bowl on the merits last year. That was not a fluke there unlucky. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna disrespect by saying. It was a fluke, but damn show looks that way right now, let's just call it like it is when you look at Doug Peterson right now. See I'm put it for two reasons. Number one, just so, you know, Damian and all seriousness. I'm one of those people who has firmly believe there might have been a different result last year. If the Minnesota Vikings hadn't locked up the luckiest play I'd seed since their Hewlett reception and then. Seventies with Frank O ara's and the Pittsburgh Steelers against the Oakland Raiders. I mean talk about luck last year when step on digs go ahead touchdown pass. Because the case keenum in all of this stuff. I forgot what I think it was ladder board at forgotten to tackle the damn do. Just my God for crying out loud. Having said all of that. I believe the drew Brees has showed up to Lincoln financial field that NFC championship game since instead of case keenum, we might have had drew Brees going up against Tom Brady and the Super Bowl having said that here's the biggest indictment against Doug Peterson that I'm gonna throw your way max Kellerman Damien Woody for two thousand nine to two thousand and ten with the Philadelphia Eagles Doug Peterson with something called an offensive quality control. Coach daddy became the quarterback coach over the next two seasons. Then he got the job as the offensive coordinator with kids sin chase for three years on the Randy read before landing is the head coach in Philadelphia. My point is everything about. About you has been offense. Why is your offense ranked twenty first now from fourth last year, we can look at a lot of different things. I get it. Jason Peters wasn't what it used to be laying. Johnston's been in and out. I get that. I understand J giant goes down Corey Clement still there you moved. But you decided to move on from the Gary at blunt because you had Corey kluber to you still have Nelson Golo, you still have our Shaw Jeffrey's, you still have Zach urge. Okay. You acquire go detained. I'm looking at the Philadelphia Eagles and I'm doing regardless of their Wu's defensively, particularly with the injuries in the secondary the latest being to Darby I'm looking at them having scored more than twenty four points once this entire season inexcusable inexcusable with the weapons they have inexcusable. I'm looking at dope Peterson because of that reason. Well, listen, I would never you never hear me. Disrespect disrespect anyone for winning the suit win the Super Bowl when you win the Super Bowl three things. Got to have them for you number one. You gotta play. Well, number two. You gotta have good health and number three. You got to have a little luck on your side all those threes combined and perfect storm and Philadelphia road into the SUV. Oh, God bless him for that. Now, what I what I've also said is the year after a Super Bowl is literally the hardest year that you could possibly have. Because guess what every team plays you like they it's they're Super Bowl. So regardless of what a team's record is what you see on field is not necessarily what you're going to go out there and play and Philadelphia's finding out with a lot of teams found out in the past the patriots had been the only team in recent mirror. That's repeated at Super Bowl champion why. Because it's hard to win the year after the Super Bowl combined with the fact that they have injuries. On office. They got departures all these things that that chip away from the team that won the SuperBowl last year. And this is what you have. Now, I'm not gonna let Doug Peterson off the love because he's often office of the head coach, and you need to figure it out when you gotta stood quarterback and cost a win who seems to be this way. But again, it's hard in the national football. You don't see it happen often fourteen to go back and try to repeat because it's so many things just mounted up against you as a team Doug Peterson, by the way, Stephen A like Bill how many Super Bowls the Bill Parcells win without Bill Belichick. But Bill Parcells is a great coach. And we know this, of course, if you if you lose a very talented coordinator, especially in the area that you're known for it's gonna hurt you at least in the short run. I think Peterson's good coach. I think the eagles future is fine. And that was not fluky last year. Tired out here? All right. They're tied with the Cowboys at foreign five tough one this weekend. Guys, you know, where they head New Orleans Saints. Oh, they made back later. My name is Lauren. I'm thirty three. I didn't want my identity to be the smoking mom my first experience with jewel. I do remember being like distance good. It's it's it's like a cigarette at nine. I don't miss smoking. At all. 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S2 Ep. 69 Crystal Loverro - Actress/Model/And Tattness' Brotato Chip For Life!

The Tattness Podcast

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S2 Ep. 69 Crystal Loverro - Actress/Model/And Tattness' Brotato Chip For Life!

"Thank you for listening to the tech News podcast on the tetanus code Network. Welcome ladies and gentlemen, a Mercedes kind of sentiment luxury and trust in me to honor the free. We also be my son's Albertson song. What's up y'all? Welcome to the tightness podcast. This show was a little bit just kind of sporadic. It wasn't really planned. It was kind of like off his moments where you know, you just kind of run across one of the coolest people ever and you just have to talk to them. So I had to tell you this is like probably the first time I ever had to re-record my intro because after talking to them I clearly just did not say enough great things about them and I still can't say enough good about them. But this is a model and actress just an Ask kicker all around you'd like somebody that jest owns everything they touch Crystal livero a, New Jersey. Hope I pronounced that last name right? But if I didn't then she can just roundhouse kick me in the neck fat it's fine. She's getting into MMA herself. So what a badass and I you know, it's it's funny. We talked in this show quite a bit about this industry in the bullshit that comes with it, and I'm so burnt out on it already. You know, I'm just getting my foot in the fucking door and I'm already tired of it, but she's had some great experiences which is nice to know they exist. You know, I'm not firing shots at anybody or anything. It's just when I get opportunities wage, which to me I seem to be the only one that really like cares as much as I do and that just to me is a turn-off. I don't if I'm the one that cares the most and something's not right. And it seems like it's just not legitimate or it's just you know to you know, it's empty words at this point and I just not really interested in that so she is somebody I would love to work with though so long Where she gets opportunities to do anything where they require some big six-foot-five 265-pound muscular Beast monster then I hope they contact me man because our chemistry is great. You know, she could play my wife my best friend my little sister my murder victim, you know don't matter we would just get along perfectly and just have that chemistry in meshed perfectly wage. And you know, I think you'll hear that in the show. We would just mash and just work well and she picked some cool ideas on us working together and other things and it would be super cool down. So, you know, it's just one of those people man that you just kind of become instant like best friends with and it's super great because there's so few people that are that genuine and you know, I have a life full of things pitched to me, but they don't seem to really be going anywhere. I haven't seen any upside to anything so, you know, it is what it is. So if she ends up doing anything where they need someone my son's house dog. On it man, you know in the show, you'll hear my terms. And you know, I'm one of those cats anyone will vouch that. I don't give a damn if you take steroids a you take acting classes and do all the things that I don't you will not at work me. I will die before I let someone at work me you know what I'm saying? So that's just my mentality I have to log in perfectly and I don't care if it's high budget low-budget. I'm not expecting to make a million bucks off my first, you know acting role but I will work hard as hell. I've seen some low-budget stuff where I'm like man even with low budget where I didn't getting paid a ton. I would still sell this better. I'd take a bump and you know sell this and make it look like I was actually hurt. You know what I mean? Just really hit me that you know what I mean? Just let me have it I can take it and let's make this look like a million bucks, even though it's you know cost a lot less don't really care. You know, you gotta put yourself into your work log. That's me a hundred and 10% and we talked about that, you know, if if we don't feel like we've done it to the best of our ability. It's not good enough, even if other people are like, oh that was good know. It wasn't, you know, let me do that again. I'll get a better that's we're both like that. So if we work together, it's going to be solid and I hope somebody down the road tosses us an opportunity to work together. I'd be all over it. But until then you'll listen to this conversation. We get a little bit weird man. We get a little off the wall with this but it's my show we always do I think your lover man like I do so check her out. All right. So now he's got the authorship out of the way. I think it's awesome that we were talking about you want to do MMA and all that great shit and I've done it so, you know, it's funny. Like I said off the air that you know, you kind of went from you know, you've done the acting thing and now you want to get into MMA and I'm coming out of MMA and you know trade and getting punched in the face for acting so long Yeah, there you go. Trust me. I'm amazed fun as hell like for sure. If you got an interest in it, then definitely are cut out for it. There's I find there's a certain type of people that either go for it because they really are into it or there's those like tools that you see at the bar wearing their Tap Out shirts and think they're a fight after they get a couple of you know, what never took a day of training. No. Yeah, I started a little bit with karate. I didn't go too far into that because when I was just like you know what I want to just I've been like obsessed with Krav Maga for many years of just like that is the martial art. I want to start out with like but I mean in Binghamton New York where I'm from that's where I lived at the time in Vestal town over. How do you charge there? He's really renowned and talented as a karate instructor. He pioneered wash Andrew karate and I was like, okay. Well, I do really want to take with him because I had a friend who was taking with him and I didn't really know any Krav Maga structure instructors there. So I was just like, oh, you know, I might as well start here because as a little kid I was like, oh I want to take karate before I even knew what Krav Maga one thing. I learned about propaganda was like, nope. That's it. That's that's what I want to do. I'm gonna get a black belt in Krav Maga, especially just because I love the the woman's defense aspect of it and everything and just image. Hours of you and so I started the karate thing and then I moved out west. So obviously I didn't have a studio out there. And then I was just I found an awesome Krav Maga stood out here and start shaking with them and I just I love it. I really love it. That's awesome. I mean I was a big kick boxing guy and oh, yeah, so I went from that into just MMA entirely one day. I walked into a gym in Mississauga Ontario that was owned by a former enemy fighter and former WWE pro wrestler and it was an Olympic quality. Jim had the option on it had a boxing ring for boxing or wrestling lessons even had like a green Runway strip for Sprint or something. That's cool. Yeah. I just walked in one day fell in love with it. And as long as what I'm doing and like I said off the air when you're six-foot-five 265 pounds of muscle, you're probably not going to be an accountant, you know, probably not know it seemed Logical thing to do. So it just worked out for me made a name for myself and you know everything I touched after that it just you know, it worked and found recently. I was a guest on the Jimmy star show and he asked about my size cuz he's like you're a big fucking dude, you know, and I you know, how big are you and I said five, you know, if I could size 14 shoes. So shoe shoppings a bitch. I bet and 265 pounds a muzzle. So he's like a goddamn like, why are you not the next Myers or Voorhees, man, and I'm like, yes bro, man, but that would be awesome. I would that'd be great. Yeah, so he was like, would you be interested in being like, you know horror movie as the Killer and I'm like Jude of course always like we're going to make that happen. And yeah, so then from there like a game Angela Joseph hit me up and was like, I got a part for you as a lead in a horror movie that I've got coming up and I'm like that's nuts and then you know, there's things now people are pitching to me and I was like, this is going to be a crazy year. So I started in or as well I do I have done a lot of horror films from now. There are a lot of fact we just finished a short film. Well, we didn't really finish it. We might have some pick up shots to do but it's called Charlie. It's about a serial killer in the woods basically wage is like living he he's autistic, I believe and he ran away and he found a fellow in the woods who basically took him in and he's mute and he said he's not really someone who just like goes around killing people per se but if you come onto his land and like disturb his property or anything like that like he will come after you with a Vengeance and he dead Throw the hammer that's his murder weapon of choice. So yeah, that's pretty fair. I mean stay off this fucking lawn man or dead. He's mean so I guess he would just stare at you menacingly. But I mean, yeah when I moved to LA whenever the heck that'll be I want to go to I believe Thursday 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu, that's noogie Brazilian jiu-jitsu where Joe Rogan studied. That's awesome. Yeah, I prefer noogie type of stuff. Like I have no problem with like traditional martial arts wage prefer like the real life lighting situations and whatnot. I I feel like I mean, when are you going to be on the street with Aggie and someone's going to like try to jump yet or whatever? Oh, yeah, usually doesn't happen that way it does it. Oh where your key is your outfit of choice every day. I mean, that could be a fashion statement, but I'm not sure how well that's going over. Yeah. Yeah. I need to be the first to see that if it happens. I want to see how long I also have a crowd monopolies picked out and Albuquerque if we do decide to go there it's still up in the air yet. But that is the idea. We want to get around to there so long, it's just G3 combatives. It's not a crop of God. Jim. I've I try to do my research. I'm like a crazy planner. So if it's like, oh, I'm going to be here in three years better find all the things I need when I'm a little ridiculous not going to lie. No doubt, but that's the way to do it sometimes you know, I mean, I am constantly hustling that's the thing. I got a job. Waste a little time as possible and just try to you know be a successful as I can find all my resources Network. I'm I'm a big networker. I'm always talking to people. I was actually thinking about starting my own podcast. Actually. You should totally do it. That'd be great don't know where to start. It's so easy. I mean, I started this shit like a year ago just fucking around wage, you know, because everybody knows like I took a Hiatus for that maybe cuz I had a son who was born with a terminal condition and dear. I'm so sorry. Well, thank you in 2018. Like they gave it to you weeks to live and in 2018 nine days after his second birthday, he passed. Oh Jesus. I'm so sorry. Okay. So, you know, I was like, I don't know if I'm going to even go back to fucking fighting or whatever and I started this show thinking who the fuck's going to listen to this cuz by now, I'm probably not even relevant anymore with the way people's attention span kind of, you know, Fades and yep. I was like man, if people remember me enough that a hundred people listen to my shit. I'd be happy and millions, you know, you know the next thing I knew all over the world are like supporting my shit off. Like wow, that's crazy. Then all these other opportunities. It just got picked up by a production company. So as of November 7th, I'll be going live from that point on and you know, I've had so many people on my show. I'm already a hundred shows in 7th. The 7th is my hundredth show and only been doing it a year and I even took about a month or so, maybe two months off because they made a documentary about my life. So filming I was like I'm going to not do the fucking show for a while. I get busy and just let people know that's what's going on. I haven't like just dropped the show or anything like that. So to do that many shows in pretty much less than a year is kind of the Ninja. To some people that's a lot. Yeah. No, that's Joe Rogan level like putting it out. And yeah. No, I was actually looking at your IMDb and I saw you had a doctor wage around there would be really cool to see I also watch I forgot to mention I watch Joey Diaz podcast to the Church of What's Happening Now. I love that one. He's funny as hell. Oh, he's funny as all hell he's hilarious. They have you and I have the same taste in shape by the sounds of it by the sounds of it. Yeah. I also see that you were a tattoo artist. That's really cool. I'm I'm telling myself. I'm actually getting my tattoos currently like touched up when I go back to New York to visit. So yeah. I'm covered. So I mean, oh nice. I'm not there yet, but maybe someday maybe someday yeah, not completely like not excessive but I got like a sleeve and you know part of it almost slammed on the other I got to get off work done, but it happened, you know, a lot of time a lot of money, you know. Yeah. I have a World of Warcraft half sleeve and then I have a tattoo of my spiritual familiar with Joe socks on my back and then I have a small tattoo on my arm, which just Is Mine Fish meaning behind it, but it sounds pretty random. I love it. Yeah, I've even got clients. Now that are like you're the only person that's ever going to think me and like, you know, Angela Joseph who was in office. The last and was Schwarzenegger and Knoxville. She yeah, cool. Yeah. She's actually my new producer know. Oh, wow right on man, and she's the one that I put me, you know in the lead spot for this new movie coming up. So that's cool. That's right. You were like, hey, you want to leave part right and like first movie ever and I get the leads the fuck. Does that happen? Very cool. That's that's great. I mean, sometimes that's just how you do it you make connections and people are like, hey, I like you. You're cool. Come here. Let's do this thing off right now that yeah, I got so much to draw from too in terms of like advice from people because it's horrible for starters and I'm friends with Ken say goes from 9 until 3 and for you Jay Graham from Friday the 13th Part 6. He played Jason off. Yeah, you know so many people that are in the horror industry that it's like I can get bits and pieces of their experience and their advice from that, you know and kind of roll with it. So I pretty cool. Yeah. I know that's pretty fantastic. Honestly. I was scrolling through Spotify. I was like, wow, yes, or buff. I see life or honestly, it's it's fantastic. Yeah. It's probably one of my favorite genres. I mean, I want to Branch out a little bit more just because I mean off of my experiences in horror, but I mean, it's still really fun to do want to do I've been actually downloading a bit more in comedy lately, which is also a lot of fun where we just submitted a short break any skip that I needed and to Oregon short film festival and McMinnville film festivals are waiting to see if we got selected. We're crossing our fingers about my braces off. It's interesting. That's for sure. I've seen you done so much stuff. I'm like, wow, you just went but I try, you know, like for something especially like me. That's just getting their foot in the door. It's like shit. You've done quite a bit. I'm going since about fall 2017. So it's been three years now. I'm still I would say I'm still pretty new. I mean three years is not a long time compared to how long some people do it. That's true. I mean some people just fucking been doing it forever, you know fifty thousand. Yeah. It's yeah and I hope to be doing it for the long haul I mean, you know, it's it's for me. It's not a hobby. It's a career. I was initially you going to go into med school actual totally totally different path. I graduated in 2017 actually rape for started acting on my and graduated with a bachelor's of Science and Neuroscience and birth. Man from Binghamton University and I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to med school and then I kind of Shame diverted slightly and said oh a physical therapy school actually because I was thinking wage that would go hand-in-hand with my martial arts interests and I could do personal training and stuff. But then I was like, I just I finally decided to Chase my real passion of acting because like never really thought I could just be an actor, you know, like who thinks the race sometimes it's just a scary leap to make cuz people like people don't take artist seriously a lot of the time that's true. But my my aunt actually she's passed away. Now, she had early-onset Alzheimer's unfortunately. He actually did pass away in 2017. I believe I think it was 2017. It's hard to remember the exact year. It's kind of a blur back then in college but dead. Let's see. I'm checking right now. Yes, 2017 December 15th 2017 and when she passed away actually I had like a really weird dream where she visited me and it was like, you know, you can do it you can if you want to act you should act like you can do it like she was talking to me my dream and she gave me this like courage and never had before I woke up and I was just like wow like that really stuck with me and I was just like, you know screw it. I'm just going to get into it and see what it's like and I haven't stopped. So here I am. That's okay cool. So basically you're not only a badass but you're a smart and you're smart as a motherfuker to so right. I'm worse. So, you know med school and Anime. So if you beat someone to death you could bring them back to life. It's cool. Yeah, totally if I went through going to med school, but now my I guess my specialty is dead. Just like neuroscience and whatnot. And also I was an EMT for a while. So theoretically I could bring them back to life. Maybe you bring it back like somewhere about that. I got carried away if you want to go get a copy or something. But my on my end, I don't know if I said her name. I want to honor her here for a minute. Her name is Darlene Fleet floogals. Sorry so hard to pronounce Darlin signal. She was in quite a few things such as a pet cemetery 3 to Live and Die in LA. Let's part-time and Hollywood Running Scared. She was very talented and early Alzheimer's ended her career preemptively. She is the sister of my father Daniel floogals. He's a chiropractor in New York and I'm trying to follow in her footsteps and I hope I'm making her proud wherever she is today. I'm a hundred percent certain you are. I mean, like I said off the air, you're a badass man. You just keep kicking off your so I'm so glad we met your cool dude, man. It's it's off. It was just nice to meet you too, you know comment and reach out and I'm always I'm always willing to talk to cool people that are kind such as yourself. You definitely have very kind era and I was just like or I should say wage. I was like, oh, yeah, that's cool, dude. And then I find out you're on a really cool podcasts. That's fantastic. Well, thanks kindly. I mean, you know, I I just like supporting people man that I you know, I've been very fortunate with everything I've done. I I just do it a hundred and 10% and then you know, you make a name for yourself in one thing and then you go on to do something else and people are like, oh that month, you know, right and then, you know other people jump in and like holy shit, you know, here's an opportunity for you and it's really bizarre just lately. It's been off literally as simple as the moment I say on a show that I would be interested in trying something out the next day somebody hits me up with an opportunity. Like here we can do that. Oh, wow, you know. Yeah, it's like snap your fingers in his done and like that, you know leaving the horror film thing. There you go, right? Yep. Right, you know where somebody asked me and I was like, I would jump on that and it's like okay, we're going to make that happen just like that. Sometimes you just gotta make your voice heard, you know, and I feel like I mean, I don't know I should not send you I have a medium article that I did with authority magazine like probably a year ago. I really actually love the way it's written I ought to send it to you but it's kind of like a Q&A thing. But I mentioned and you mentioned to me that you wanted me to give some advice for beginning actors in this kind of goes hand-in-hand with that but I feel like an important thing as an actor is just to really be kind to everybody meet and cuz you don't know especially in LA and places like that. You don't know who you're going to run to down the road what they're going to be doing what kind of position they're going to be in addition to essentially work with you as a creative and it's really important to exercise that kind of behavior is just being kind and giving and also another big dog. That is also mentioned in that article is that you got to embrace your imperfections man. All that shit you think is weird as hell is probably what's going to get you cast. I love that you said because I've always told people even on my show always always be, you know, careful how you treat people on your way up because they're the same ones you're going to pass on your way down and they're going to remember how you treat. Oh, yeah without a doubt and I really do think that the people who are kindness and you know easy to get along with and whatnot are going to be the people that go farthest in life, I believe. Oh, absolutely cuz with that comes loyalty, you know, yeah. Oh speaking of loyalty our fridge. Are you made a post about loyalty this morning? I rented I love. I was like, okay this guy this guy is going to be my friend. I can tell we're going to get along just Grand. Yeah. It's a big thing for me. And such a good thing to me. Oh my gosh. Yes, totally. You know what and after seeing that Instagram picture last night that made me bust out laughing like this is like she don't know what she's my new best friend. I'm like, oh my gosh. Yes, cuz I post I didn't react to it yet cuz I was like, oh, you know I'm going to I was I think I was kind of like half asleep and I hate reacting to pack some commenting when I'm half asleep sometimes doesn't bode well, so I was like, I was just going to lay my head back down for now and I'll talk about this later. But I was you know loyalty is one of my most liked song one of the most important qualities to me is like not abandoning your people and treating them with respect and you know being there for them when they need you it's not just a one-sided relationship. It's not all about you. It's about having each other's backs exactly. Especially in this industry. We gotta stick together man. It is not we picked we picked the hardest industry in my opinion just constant judging which is kind of what it is. It's like your face your everything about you. Your personality is your brand is your type is what you're putting out there and like we're constantly being looked at and judged and like, you know, it's it's you can't have your feelings hurt easily. You know, like if you took you gotta be able to take the truth and be like, all right. This is how I'm going to improve you know, cuz you're going to get a lot of criticism. You're going to get a lot of fatigue and sometimes it's not always going to be nice. It's not always going to be off you want to hear so it's just we don't get a stick with each other and try to bring each other up exactly. I mean, you know people need to be aware of that and you know, I mean, it's not like someone's going to come up and punch you in the next like you suck but like you're getting Houston, you don't want to hear. Oh, yeah, you know like I've I've yeah, I mean sometimes people aren't even trying to be mean higher wage. The thing they're just being honest and they're very blunt about it. And I you know, I try not to get my feelings for like sometimes I might my first performance and like audition or something might be kind of flat and I'm not there. It's like a warm-up performance. I'll just look at myself me like, nope. That wasn't it. I gotta do better and you know, like that's just kind of I talk to myself like very I'm very real with myself. Like if I give a performance that is not a hundred percent on my off 95 ain't going to cut it. You know, I'm the same damn way even if someone's like that was great. I was like really know it wasn't you need to up your standards. I'm doing that again. I'm like, nope. Nope. It's that's not it that is not for me. I didn't believe myself. I didn't feel it. I was not emotionally full I need to go at this again. And I need to do better exactly. You know, I'm like that with everything on a perfectionist and am really chaps my ass if if I know I didn't nail it the way I felt I should have And you're a fighter. You have to be a perfectionist. You're like a heart. Like people were Fighters have the most ambition like ever like, you know, being an MMA like you gotta be hard working as heck. Oh for sure. I mean I spend four hours a day in the gym. So, you know, it's my therapy. I love it. And even if I don't go back to fighting it's still my lifestyle. It's what I do with you know today was another hour of fasted cardio and then I come home. I eat a big ass steak and you know like you go. Yeah everyday steak every day off literally every day twice a day usually not getting full. Well you have the protein from it. I mean a lot of people like, oh the the, you know with cholesterol and all that bullshit from red meat and it's like no that's not how that works. Trust me. I've been surrounded by the best nutritionist on the planet red meat is not what causes high club After all, it's the fast-food, you know so-called processed meat, you know that that alleged meat from you know, that causes the cholesterol because all that shit's made from like canola oil which is a chemical it's not natural. The body doesn't know how to process it. Therefore, you know, it causes your cholesterol to go through the roof causes heart issue red meat is the only meat on the planet that people can not only survive off of Palm Drive off of because of all the vitamins and minerals in it and everything else. You got creatine. You got all the vitamin K and everything else checking is actually so full of estrogen from their dialogue the yeah puts baton rather than take off, right? So yeah, so Costco must love me cuz I buy packs upon packs of steaks home and that's curry-ya. I I try to be as clean of an eater as possible like sometimes you know, occasionally I'll have something that's like, you know, if I'm like, oh, you know someone offers me e, He's a candy or whatever and I'm like, okay, it's got some processed junk in it. But for the most part I try to stay away from all the like high-fructose or fructose corn syrups. No hydrogenated vegetable oil and all that crap. I'm like a little if if I don't I can look at it and it's like, you know, I mean, especially Neuroscience chemistry like lots of chemistry classes in college and like nope, if it looks like right now, I don't really want to eat it and I'm a vegetarian but you know, I have nothing against people who are eating meat and eating cleanly that's that's fantastic. But yeah, so I mean, I I just try to eat very cleanly no processed junk and I drink a lot of smoothies and get I just we just bought some creatine actually cuz I want to actually just adding it to my smoothies. It's been something I wanted to try cuz that's kind of something I'm missing being not eating meat. Yeah, you know how I mean it shows you look like a million bucks. It shows that he clean you take birth. Yourself? Oh, you're so sweet. I appreciate that though. That's true. I mean you can always tell when someone really looks after themselves, I would suggest with creatine. Actually. I you bought a brand that is so damn good because it doesn't cause water retention. Oh, yeah. It's actually one of the top brands out there because of that. It's called Purple. Okay, and yeah, it's in capsules. So you just toss it back with some water or whatever and there you go and you don't have to worry about the grainy powder and all she had no loading phase needed. Okay, I'll have to I'm going to put that in my I'm going to write that down and see about that. Maybe cuz I don't know what kind of brand we just took my husband on it. So but I'm going to mention that to him and see if when we need a refill try that out and see how it works for us. Yeah. It's like a couple of capsules it's you know before and then after you age Against and what not and you have so easy you just pop it in your mouth throwing some water back. It's gone. No bloating no water retention. No feeling off, you know downloading phase needed. It's really good stuff. It's the only type all use now shoot. Well, thanks for letting me know also before your workout. Sometimes I'll have like a a little bit of my smoothie before workout. It's like a pre-workout do my cardio and stretches and then the weight lift a little bit here. I work out at home right now. Usually I would work out with my Krav Maga gym, but I've been doing actually weight lifting at home and then afterwards I'd finished my smoothie out for whatever and yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I do fasted cardio first thing in the morning so that way what people need to know about that is odd you drink your BCAAs while you do it so that way your body doesn't break down muscle. Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally and your body needs energy to do this. So I do actually yeah I do age. Sure of it. So it forces the body to take fat stores and use them for energy so good. Yeah. I I'm trying to become a bit more lean and just have them muscle and less fat like I mean, I don't have a lot of fat but I'm trying to really Define my muscles a bit more. I mean I'm doing okay, you know, but I can definitely be farther along. So I'm just taking any tips and tricks that I can get ya fasted cardio. So your best bet because gotcha. You'll sweat like a sumbitch and all the water weight and all that crap that you know carbs per month. And so I do that and then I come home and I eat my food and which you know, usually it's like it was always boats for me because there's such a slow releasing car but keeps this morning and they're the best, you know, before that or like rice, you know before you're working because they're a slow digesting carbs. So therefore it keeps you off all the energy as you work out when you do for our workouts, you definitely need that if you're going to lift and things like that. I would tell everybody never do that on an empty stomach because one yeah, no energy to your actually breaking down muscle rather than building it, right? That's so true. That's why I try to take a little bit of my smoothie before I start working out just to make sure I do have some thoughts and whatnot. Yeah. I got the best protein for after my workout to it's got enough carbs in it cuz you need that for your muscles to repair. It won't thinks it's just protein but you need carbs for the body to repair wage. Yeah, you'll have to give me like a you just send me like an email or Facebook or whatever message and just give me like a the lowdown on your routine. I'd love to hear about it off the program accidents. Yeah, it's you know, it's pretty basic stuff. I mean, I always tell people there's a lot of broscience out there because it's you know what I mean? Because you can sell books off of a load of bull shit. Uh-huh. Yeah, if you would give someone just the straight truth. You wouldn't get a page out of it. So, you know, there's no book to sell. There's no YouTube video for our thoughts, you know, advertising revenue and shit like that. So it's easier to mislead people because it sounds good on paper. It's all conjecture. It sounds great on paper, but it's actually bullshit and because it sounds great on paper gullible people desperate to reach their goals are going to buy into it and believe it and they're going to be disappointed. So it's really short on what actually works but the dog She and I have I loved it because it's Cinnamon Toast Crunch labor. Ooh, wow, that sounds good. Taste exactly like the serial. I put a bit of it in my oatmeal. So it's actually like eating cereal. Oh, yeah. That sounds great. It's super good wage making me hungry here. I didn't eat enough for breakfast. Apparently. I don't know. Yeah, I was actually just working out right before I jumped on here to talk to you. I was I wanted to actually continue working out to when we're done. I just want to work on some of my fundamentals of Krav Maga like just making sure I don't get rusty with my life spans because having a solid stance is so important to martial arts. Just going to work on a little bit of striking. I wish I had a bag in my house, but I don't I have some pads though. So my husband is gonna hold them up for me. I'm just going to do a little bit of striking just to make sure I'm not getting rusty. I've been actually not going to the crowd my God gym lately because I had Surgery not too long ago. I'm actually going to join back up after I get back from New York from visiting my family for the holidays. That's awesome. Yeah, things are going well. Now though surgery was a little bit scary. It was on my I'm blinded moreta as I mentioned before and my left I had a retinal detachment was spontaneously thought I had surgery on that. I was my vision. I just finally like this month got glasses that put me back to 2020. So I was like seeing blurry for like two months off pretty crazy holyshit. Yeah. Well, my producer is actually in the same boat with one of her eyes. She was just kind of wore off when I not you know, really functioning right? Exactly. I was born with my mom. I read I be in Black genetic condition called septo-optic dysplasia. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's just where your optic nerve does not develop. So if you look at my eye via like in the eye doctor when they look at my apparently my right optic nerve is very tiny. God. Damn. Yeah, pretty crazy. And in spite all this shit, you're like, I don't give a fuk. I'm going to accomplish some shit. I'm going to do I thought for a while. There was a chance I'd go blind. If I didn't get the surgery I would have went line. So I was like, you know what cuz that's one of my biggest fears for to be honest. I was like if I do go blind, I'm just going to go crazy with my art martial arts took a little freaking best blind martial artist who made that would be the coolest thing ever to be honest not going to bullshit movie like next Daredevil, but in real life, right like what the hell, you know not wishing that you go blind. But I mean for sure that's obviously turn that frown upside down in it off. You gotta make the best out of your situation. Right? Right, that's glass-half-full kind of shit right there. I love that. But Silver Lining is I'm still going to beat your ass. Even if I can't see while I do it. Yes. Absolutely. I don't need to see the whip that ass that ass off. That would be so awesome. Like cool. Oh, yeah, you're hilarious because it's like after seeing that picture. I'm like, okay, we got the same sense of humor. We got the same interests. Oh, yeah. No, I totally I'd say we are why do betta like so far from what I've gathered based on our conversation and some of the stuff I've seen your into and whatnot. I'm really really thrilled that you reached out to me. This is just a lot of fun is really funny because I'm dead. Like think anything of it is just like, you know, she'll some support man, you know, and so I commented because I was proud of what you accomplished. I thought it was really cool. I didn't expect I was going to get like some kind of response or anything like that. It was just you know, it was the right thing to do. I felt and you know, I just was like, oh, that's cool. I'm happy for you. So, you know didn't really expect you know, that life will end up shoot the shit all the time like this. So I thought I was cool man. Yeah, I definitely try if someone's going to go out of their way to just be kind to me. I definitely always try to you know off my back I I do. I mean I'm not I don't have millions of listeners like you do but I do have a lot of people that reach out and try to show their support, you know, and I'm forever grateful for it to be honest. Like I wouldn't be here one of those kinds of people like sometimes when I'm feeling so discouraged we all have those days when we feel discouraged and just people like my friends and my fans are just birth. You know, you can do it and their jurisdiction me on when I really need it and just the love and the kindness and support is why I'm just like to keep I'm going to wake up today and just keep doing it home. Yeah, you have to and I mean yeah weirds me out of me. It's been five years and still weirds me out. Like my personal assistant came out to me one day when the when we were at this event and she was like dude the funniest thing just happened to me is like this girl that you were talking to just came up to me was like freaking out and like fangoria Landover you saying? Oh my God, he just had like a thirty minute conversation with me about like other factors heat and I like and whatever he was so nice if you get a chance, you gotta talk to him and she was like, I didn't have the heart to tell her out and I like you're one of my best friend's man and I'm your personal assistant jobs under have her moment and I was like, it's so weird to me because I'm like, I'm just to be with a cool job. You know what I mean? Like, I've been a better than anybody I don't I don't understand why people get so surprised. That I will talk to you. You know what I mean? Like yeah. No, I I feel that your humble, you know, and it's important. I mean, you know, we're not above anybody else. We we get to we're very fortunate in the sense where we've worked our asses off to be able to chase our dreams but you know, we're also very respectful and very appreciative. We know that you know, we're not above anybody we wouldn't be here without the people who supported us and it's important to remember that it's important to remember that even if you have like really cool job, you know, it's it's not just you, you know, the world doesn't revolve around you like there's just tons of people like that are a little puzzled put it all together. Absolutely and I I've never been one to bury people when you get to the top of the mountain. I always you know, I'm always like when you get to the top of the mountain first of all find a bigger was just climbing again don't get comfortable. Yeah, you know, but secondly throw some damn ropes down and let people know it's pretty cool up here and then you know, oh, yeah because I get the if you log, Your industry you want it to do well, it's not just about you. You know what I mean? If if you love what you do you want that industry to succeed in order for that to happen there needs to be people after you you know what I mean that that come along after you and keep it going. So just like there's people before me that, you know made it what it is. So I don't understand people's mentality of it's all about me and just bury everybody to keep my spot off while I try to keep your spot when you should be climbing for something bigger. Now, you know what I mean agreed we shouldn't be competing. We should be collaborating and it gets lonely. If you're all up there by yourself a you to bring people up like that's why whenever I see a rule or something or someone who's perfect for I'm like instead of this person or I like shoot them to the casting notice or whatever. Like I try to look out for my friends and just people that are worth their ass off waiting for you know, the right role to come along and whatnot. I really I really do try to give them that information and help them succeed cuz I want people to succeed, you know, I really do age. It makes me happy when my friends are doing. Well, I never really understood that that some people operate under the oh, I'm jealous that you're doing. Well kind of thing. Well, you know, what if you're jealous and I'm doing well. My friend because if you were my friend you'd be happy for me and I'm not the kind of person that's just going to do well by myself. I'm going to look out for people to absolutely and I love that you said that because that's exactly how I feel if if they were legit your friends then you know, the click of a button to show some support wouldn't be so damn difficult. So when someone can do that, but they can like share some random bullshit. That's probably like fake and you know, not even you know, you see it all the time on social media. Someone will share this random link from some bullshit story that was fabricated, but they can't click a like button on your accomplishments to show some fucking support, but they're supposed to be your friends, right? It definitely exposes True Colors there where there's Salty Dog. You know without a doubt. I actually I had this friend here in Portland. We were no longer friends. Thank God, but she was like like wage I try to be supportive. Like I kind of just let her treat me like crap for a really long time cuz you know, she didn't seem to have a lot of friends here and she had got a lot of people gave her a lot of you know off for things which I see why now like the kind of person she was but you know, I wanted to be a supportive friend and help her get her bearings with acting and stuff and all she really did was just kind of like down and just be like, oh, you know, I'm I'm jealous that things are going well for you and things are always going out free. She's very negative and she wanted to bring a lot of negativity in my life and when like she would always come you know, who'd always like talk to me when she felt like it and try to ask me for favors and stuff and then dead. When it came down to it, she told me she was pretending to be my friend and all this stuff and she told me she thought I was a narcissist and like didn't want to share the spotlight which I'm just wait. That's the opposite of you reading. She is you're the one who literally gets so hurt every time you see someone else not just me so long seating actually, it's funny that we mentioned this because I was watching a Joe Rogan podcast the other day and he was talking about an expert on narcissism and he was mentioning how there were two types of narcissism and one of them is vulnerable birth and it's where instead of being outwardly like, oh, I'm so great. I'm better than you it's more of a like you get upset other people's accomplishments and think to yourself and sometimes a lot of why isn't this happening to me I deserve or why don't I get like a hundred legs? Why don't I get this? Why don't I I'm entitled to this because I'm so great and nobody sees it plus person. She was basically wow, you know, we are officially dead. Realized because I love that honestly, I am happy to declare you like my homie at this point because I swear to plug him. I had a dollar for every person that felt like I was the solution to all of their problems, but yet they didn't support a single thing I've ever done and I I guarantee it hasn't come out yet. But I'm I promise you there's a handful of people that probably think I'm the most narcissistic motherfuker on the planet simply because I won't bail them out every time they decide to have more kids than they can afford and they can't take care of themselves, but they want to fire it more children or you know live beyond their means cuz they think that on the ATM that's going to Buck in, you know, just spit some money out and fix their problems they you know, or call them on their bullshit or tell them that they need to actually apply themselves and and do something with their lives if they want to succeed instead of being bitter or jealous like years. Kind of opportunities. It's like I don't recall the day that I just woke up and things were handed to me. Right I do remember busting my ass for those opportunities and put my name out there not sitting on my couch telling myself I should happen for me one day, you know, okay. Well, I went out and made it happen because I wasn't going to wait, you know what I mean? A fax honestly. Yeah, you said it really is like these people are entitled to think that you should hand things to them and don't realize how hard you work to get where you are and it's like it's just often times the things they say about you. Like if they say you're a narcissist or whatever that's kind of what's going on with them and they're projecting onto and they're in denial about it. And the wood that really really is those are just they're they're so insecure with themselves and need help and they just don't really they just they need to project it all on you, That's our only way of coping is bringing you down to the dirt with them. Right and that's why my circle is so small because I just don't have time for people's bullshit and drama. I mean, there's not a lot of wage. I can trust I can count on my my one hand the amount of people I can trust but I can I lost count of how many people burn me from trusting too easily and what not including the person I just mentioned before or you know, I mean, that's why I'm just being extra careful about who I give my heart too because it's like I I've spent like hours to try to help new actors and like whoever else and try to give them the tools that I found for myself and spent hours trying to find to get to where I am. I give that information for free. I don't make people pay for it. I tell them what I did to get where I am and sometimes I get taken advantage of you know, and it's it sucks. Like that's why you just gotta be careful of who you give your heart attacks you cuz people will exploit it every damn time. And I know that struggle I personally trained people for free because if they're willing to take their health, you know, seriously, I see the trash training that they get at the gym for a thousand wage. Dollars and none of it is good information, or is it actually like I literally watch them. They're like 20 minutes of having somebody lift the lightest weight and they're in there to lose weight now become Schwarzenegger and it's like none of this has anything to do with that. So it's like I'll train you for free. All you gotta do is show up and act like you give a shit, you know, don't quit on yourself and I won't quit on you and that's enough, you know home and it's funny talking to you. It's like you suggest somebody thinks that you're narcissistic and all this shit. It's like I did not get that vibe in the least bit of you so you can tell that that performs clearly on crack and you know, yeah a little bit little bit so I know all too. Well, you know, I've got plenty of knives in my way back from trying to help people that clearly didn't give a shit so I know that all too well We can pull the knives out of each other's back if you want to deal. Yeah, absolutely. I love me in real people and I can tell right now that you're real person. I mean in order to have a successful podcast, you've gotta be a real person. So I mean you're genuine. So I like that I like the I think people would that you could listen to any one of my shows like most people would never say this year. But this motherfucker don't care of, you know, I literally in the announcement that I made about the changes being done with the show. First thing I said, even though all my producers that have jumped on board or like Hollywood said I said, first of all, I'm just going to let everybody know. I don't do this circle jerk Hollywood bulshit where we just jerk each other as he goes off, you know, if I think somebody for something I genuinely mean it but I don't do it for what they can do for me or what they've you know, I don't give a fuk about all that ego testicle bullshit. You know, I don't blow smoke up anyone's ass, it's not me being in, New Jersey. Woods not going to change that. You know, I'm probably going to be the easiest person for people to work with because you'll never have to wonder where I stand because I'll be the first to tell you and all cars are on the table at all times and what you hear from me is what people will say to you behind my back. It's all legit because they know that I don't bullshit anybody else feel the need to No, that's great. Honestly, when you're talking about like that circle jerking Hollywood another podcast. I love is Jimmy Dore. He's fucking amazing all the fines comedians ever and I just love how no bullshitted. He is he's all I knew I could chuck Hollywood motherfukers. Like I love him. I love him. He's so funny. It's you know, it's just how I feel. I don't give a fuk who somebody else is. I'm not going to blow smoke up their ass because their ego needs polishing. That's just not me if they've done something for me. I'm grateful for it and I'll Express that and that means I'm being genuine about it. It's not like I'm going to thank you publicly cuz there's something you could do for me. You know what I mean? I could be thinking you just for genuinely being a decent human being towards me treating me like a person and not treat me like, oh, well, you were a fighter. So you must be big and dumb, you know, actually trust me. I'm pretty fucking educating. Oh, yeah, you're very you're very well-spoken and well-mannered dog. Person, you're not dumb at all. Like well, I appreciate that. I mean, you know at the end of the day we talked about being humble and I think that is extremely important but I've also discovered there a point where you can be so humble that people start to try to play you like your fucking. Yeah. Oh, yeah you like what's that? They trying to Gaslight you write, like people will literally try to downplay your accomplishments and it's like, okay. First of all, you're in a business that approached me wanting me to be on board with you guys and I'm a businessman first so I can tell you business one-on-one. There's a lot for you to gain from that. That's why you did it. You didn't do it because I'm a nice guy and all this bullshit you're trying to do something for me that the goodness of your heart. You're benefiting from this relationship. Let's be fucking straight. So don't act like you're boosting my shit, you know when it's quite the opposite you literally are taking like wage. My feelings right out of my brain and saying them I'm like dude. I know like I I totally understand how you're like what you're saying right now, cuz I'm just like I've been there so hard like dude life. Stop playing me right like it's like come on. Do I look like I was born yesterday. I know exactly why you came to me and my box and asked me to do this this and that for you. Right? Right, you know what I mean? And that's when I asked someone to come on my show which I never fucking do I think you're probably the first in ages was because I just got a good vibe from you and I just thought wow, that was really cool that you actually when I, just to show some love you commented back and you know seem really nice and we kind of talked a little bit and it's like this is someone I'd like to have a conversation with even if it's not hard. I don't give a shitt like it just be cool to shoot the shit. You meet friends in mysterious ways. Like you don't even expect it and Bam. It's like, oh we're friends now. This is a thing right because I was like genuine people are so hard to come off. I n when somebody gives me this gut feeling of like they're real. I'm like, I would love to talk to them. Even if it's like one time. I don't care if it's on the show or not. But you know, I thought maybe if it's on the show off it could gain you some more exposure not that you needed but everybody can use more. I mean I sure as hell good too. I got millions of fucking listeners and I still ain't done, you know to promote the heck listen help you out too because you're wondering if you want people to listen to you have a lot of great things to say and like more people need more genuine people in their lives and if I can point them in the direction I wanted to do so, but hey Google listen to this awesome, dude, he's cool as fuck. He doesn't go fuc. Either. I appreciate the fucking of that and you know, you're going to have those handful of people ever like you're just saying that cuz you're on edge. See, that's the thing about like, you know, just being real like it doesn't benefit anybody to blow smoke up. Somebody's ass like when you were saying, you know, I might have both smoked up anybody's s is like you're doing them a disservice. If you you're lying, you know, like somebody asks your genuine opinion about something or like for genuine constructive criticism. And you just see. Oh, yeah, it's great. It's like you're kind of you kind of fucking the more by the month and you know, tell them what they could improve on like I hate when I show people something like performance I'm working on or whatever and they just so like oh, yeah, it's really cool. I'm like, well, you know, maybe I don't know if it's great. Like maybe we could like think about what I could work on because it's just it doesn't do anybody any good to just be like, oh that's good. I completely suck. I hate that, you know, especially cuz on my own like toughest critics, so when someone's bullshiting me, I just know yeah, I mean, you gotta be like it's it's easy to tell when somebody's dead. Really care that much and they're just like yeah, it's fine rather than whatever or they just they want to tickle your ego or some shit rather where you don't really care about all that like it's like I'm not like that. I need you to tell me good things about myself. I just like if I'm sucking like I need you to tell you know, I agree and you can always tell cuz some days there's like that hesitation like they're trying to think of how to say it and just be like fucking I'm just going to be like it was great. All right. No, it's like like Crystal this some days. You gotta be better. Damn it off right? I'm that dude. That's like the punch in the neck that nobody wants but they kind of know they needed it or I'll be like I'm not going to be a dick about it, but I'll be like, you know, I would have done this different. That's all I'm saying. There you go. That's perfect. You couldn't have said it better like usually my my ghost who is oh, you know, I think it's a good start but you could work on it more. I think there's there's you could pull some more off. Yourself and make it a deeper performance, or you can you know, I think that there's there's more potential to be unlocked there. And it's if anything I'm trying to make it seem like make it like a compliment like it's not there yet, but I will be because I believe in you you can do it, you know, right and I don't get why people give up on themselves. I've said this time and time again, you know toddler is the average human being falls between 50 and 1050 times while learning how to walk but they never once thought maybe walking is not for me. So at what point do we start bullshiting ourselves and taking that easy way? Well, this didn't work the first three times. So maybe it's just not for me. Oh, yeah. No, that's a very good point. I mean being an actor in the entertainment industry in general regardless of what you're doing musician, whatever. I mean you're going to fall while you're going to have you know, it's hard. It's like a freaking tough. It's a tough way of life, you know, I mean a lot of people are starving for their heart and especially with covid-19. She been doing it for twenty thirty years. You gotta keep working at it and keeps trying to better and not give up. Absolutely. I feel like if I'm not still learning I don't want to do it anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Well, would you be off right, right, you know and I I've had some cool fucking experiences. I mean, I've been interviewed by Sherry Nelson who is a male. I guess. I'm a model and actress and all this other shyt and the editor of the magazine. It was excess ten magazine who the editor was the A&R for Def Jam records, but more importantly in my view. This fucking guy was very good friends with Rick James and I was so still that that's awesome. I'm Rick James bitch and I was like, oh my God, I love Rigs and he still friends with Rick's daughter and his business partner is P-Diddy. So I'm like, dude. Oh look at home. That's cool as hell man. People trivia share, right? Yeah, and then, you know, the other articles be a number 10 of the top 50 shows. I was interviewed a few different magazines over the years and shit like that and pretty nuts, you know, and then it's like all of a sudden this acting thing gets literally tossed in my life. Like if you're interested, let's do it like who has a life to see where that goes. I really am like I definitely keep me in the loop on that because I would love to support whatever films you're in Worcester. I appreciate the funk out of that. We need to work together. That would be yeah, I would love that man. I could actually probably make that happen. Well, yeah, do you just keep me in the loop and I took I would love to be involved cuz I love acting and I love acting the people who are fuckingawesome. I appreciate the fuck out of that because for this movie that I'm the lead in I was also kind of dog. In charge of a few other things because I'm so heavy into art. They want me to design The Killers mask and shit like that. Oh, that's cool as hell my gosh. That's awesome. I don't know if you've seen any of my horse what I love drawing horseshit. So not that is one thing. I have not seen I like look all up and down your podcast and what not, but I would love I love art. I used to actually draw and paint a little bit myself. I'm not really as much into that as I probably should be I do. I love painting a lot. I really want to get back into it. But I'm I'm a big huge fan of horror. I love anything creepy. Like there's a few tattoo our life all that are just fantastic and do you like stay specialized and more are in one not. So if you show me some of your I would love to see it. I really wouldn't I'll definitely send you something because yeah. So into it I use Copic markers which are like super fucking price. Yes. Those are great. I love those eight bucks a marker out here, man. Yeah. It was so worth it. I'll go off. Route 315 bucks on A Fistful of marsh I don't give up God. Are you are you still you're still not doing right? I haven't in a while because it's again one of those things. That's right. We're all of a sudden you got ninety some fucking best friends and nobody wants to pay for shit. So all the cousins that didn't want nothing to do with you until they found out you do ink now they want to be closed when you get a chance to God. I got so tired of it as like I don't want to hate art. So I'm just not doing this anymore unless it's on my time. It's fucked up that people just like all like black people sometimes I feel like and I hate to say it but they don't value artists, you know, it's like we why should we work for free? It's a know your worth type of thing. Like like you gotta know your thoughts and nobody should ask you to work for free. I'm looking on your Instagram and I see some of your art and it's actually pretty fantastic. I don't you haven't seen anything Horry up. I see a lot of like comic stuff. It looks it's amazing I loved. So much. Yeah, I'll send you the horror show. There's I do a ton of Freddy Krueger shit because he's like my favorite effort. I love Freddy Krueger. That's awesome job interview people from Nightmare on Elm Street. That's awesome. Yeah, they're friends of mine. My producer almost should a break when my phone rang one day and I put on speaker and you know, hey, this is Kenzie goes. I'm like what's up man? And a brother and she's just like freaking out and she's like did he just say he's kind of say goes from Nightmare on Elm Street 3 and 4. I'm like, yeah, like fucking Kincaid just called you. I'm like, yeah, that's my boy. He you know, like wage then I'm like, oh I forgot, you know for me. This has been my five years a life the last five years for you. This is weird, you know to me this is normal, but you know my show so, you know, he was calling to confirm stuff and you know stuff like that, right so and he's a great dude. And so yeah, I do a lot of like that kind of horror, but with this movie now they suck. Not only do the art like design The Mask but they asked me to find some people that would be good for playing college students off. That's my brand right there. So I thought right away when I started talking to you as like we're working together at some point. I may need to make this happen to put it out there and see if you'd be interested and so I can pick up YouTube. I'm going to be like I found somebody, you know, well shoot. Yeah. I mean if they're down I would love to audition or whatever they need from me. I'm always happy to look for work and one not I'm guessing it's a paid opportunities as best of my knowledge. I mean, they know damn well, I don't do ship Greeks. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I've done a lot of research it in terms of just getting exposure to start but no, I mean like yeah, feel free. I would really appreciate and I definitely be interested in learning more. I would be honored if you murdered me in fact in this I'm going to be a Cod. So that's cool shit. Okay. Okay, and that one you're not going to be a serial killer. All right. Well, that's fine. That's fine. Potentially. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know we know now so you know how it goes, right? So yeah. Yeah, I yeah, I mean, I'm definitely as you can see in the thumbnail. I know like our viewers and listeners listeners, I should say probably can't see but that's my head shot one of them anyway, and one of my tires is definitely a young college student types. I can totally make that happen if that's exactly why I thought you were perfect for it. You fucking definitely fit the part you're off. I mean obviously off during their you and I would work together pretty damn. Well, oh we would without a doubt without. All right, so it'd be fun as shit, which is important. If I enjoy what I'm doing. I'm going to do it to the best bucking anybody could possibly do it. As long as I'm digging it. I you know, it just works for me. So Oh, yeah, definitely. I love I love what I do. I love acting it's so much fun. It's I do a little bit of modeling as well. But acting is my number one love. I love it so much. Oh my God. Yeah, we would have such a black. So I'm definitely since you're interested. I'll catch that to Angela and thank you. I appreciate that. Oh, no worries. I mean it's going to be a blast because off if we get along this damn well immediately then working together is going super cool. Oh, yeah, super smooth Superfund true chemistry. Like you said like actors having chemistry always makes a performance Kolb like so much smoother. Oh, yeah. I mean, it could probably lead to people saying okay. I want those two together again. And oh, yeah. Well, I guess they just fucking function together super well and for sure Thursday works, you know, a really brilliant idea actually like it'd be so fun if in a film me and you were like like a Bonnie and Clyde type thing going on we both have like tattoos real bad dog. So then we just like Kick-Ass or something. Just go black. I mean already got the tattoos down. So I mean, yeah, right like like these badass like they were like Vigilantes or something like that before. I just feel like that would be a really cool Dynamic. Do you ever play video games at all? Yeah my life. Oh my God. I'm so like busy fighting like working out and also acting and modeling. But I mean, I've spent a lot of time playing World of Warcraft Skyrim Zelda, you know, like Horizon zero Dawn I play a lot of games here my fucking hero somebody pitched the coolest thing to me and I got so excited about it. They're like, you need to get some of these assholes to put together this movie based on a game that I grew up loving Splatterhouse. I know it's a little obscure dead. But if you've never heard of it it have not so cool. They came out with a get a newer one for Xbox 360 back in the day off. And so basically the gist of it is this dude's family. Like this is Jack test. It's you know what I mean? Like he's got fucking massive arms not squares like he's like kind of life has almost like it almost looks like prisoner pants kind of deal but not orange blue and then the shirt to match up sleeve list and he's got this fucking mask. It's almost took Jason mask, but creepier almost like Casey Jones from Ninja Turtles. Oh wow, and but these his family is kind of hiding in this house and there's all these like demonic creatures coming for them and he has to get them on time. He gets this mask in The Mask is demonic itself, but it's guiding him as to where they are and encouraging him to kill these bastards, but of course it wants something from home. In return on the long-term, you know doing this shit cuz it's good. It's doing this shit because in exchange it wants him basically solar Socha, right? So it has its own voice that he can he only he can hear and the voice made me laugh so hard cuz I'm a dark sense of humor kind of motherfuker me to totally okay, then you're going to love this page. You actually sounds really cool. I'm totally going to like check it out. It really is like the kills are great. You can grab one of the monsters and literally rip them in half and ship. Oh, yeah so good but like your weapons basic whatever you find you pick it up and use it. So, yeah for 360 it made me laugh. I can never find the video on YouTube for it, but it's funny enough to me that I would make one month, but the mask is telling like it's got this deep like fucking boys and you pick up this two-by-four. And you just know you're going to start smashing heads in with it. The mask is like a two-by-four. Let's do some fucking carpentry have so hard and then I thought I left you been harder. When I founded the the voice of the Mask is actually the same voice actor that did the voice of Winnie-the-Pooh. No, sorry Dodge dark test off of it, but it's fucking, right like he's so excited. Like let's do some fucking Carpenter like that dark enthusiasm. But yeah, people are pitching to meet you need to play that character. Yes, you do. I see a see it right now. That would be so much fun as like yes and to get the rights to do that would probably cost Buckle wage because it's section of oh, yeah, they can use the endorsed. Oh, yeah totally but hey be supporting them. Maybe they'd come out with new version. You never know. Oh, I'd be so good. It's I don't know why it cut off. X be a little bit of like Hotline Miami or something right? Like in Miami absolutely is that one's fun? No one's fun. I also slow down. Well, actually I play a lot of horror games like I love Amnesia Silent Hill like I love horror games and or everything and I don't play games. I used to play Call of Duty, but I don't anymore. I like pubg a lot though in terms of like shooting games. It's quite a lot of fun in my fucking here. Oh, I love horror games song games on the best. I got really baked one night and tried to play Resident Evil 7. Yes. Me too. Oh, yeah, I do and it's legal here everywhere. Same here too long. I I literally text a dispensary and have it delivered to my door. I know Canada's like that that should schools sell Edibles and everything. They'll bring it ready to It's right on this great. So present Yulia the Resident Evil 7 and I was like, this is way too fucking intense when you're high risk sounds terrifying. Oh my God, it's like first person view and like the girl that you're there like it's supposed to be your fiance or some shit. You're at this house to like try to find her and she's just nuts at this point. And so like, you know, there's a jump-scare bullshit and she likes you through the hand with a screwdriver and it takes your hand off completely and I was like, this is why you don't pick people up on fucking tender man. I wouldn't asshole like I'm breaking up with you, right, you know, as soon as I cut your hand off, it's over. I mean, oh, yeah, that's that's just that's where I draw the line. I mean a red flag and you can almost cut my hand off and we're cool. But if you cut it off we're done. We're over while you're sleeping on the couch for a bit. But yeah completely cut it off then I think it's time to suck. Two people. Oh, yeah. I think it's so humid intense when you're high, but I love it. Anyway. Oh, yeah, I love fall out to God. Oh, I love oh, yes. I have three a New Vegas for their so good. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're they're really good games. Honestly, I I mean even though Bethesda can be a little muggy. I do like a lot of their stuff big fan of Skyrim and oh for sure that's girls in general and fall out. Very good stuff. Honestly, I can play in a lot of oh my God, it's funny when people recognize you and they know who you are. So fuking weird. Oh that sounds stuff. I was playing the Friday the 13th game. Oh, yeah, like it's pretty sick. It's so much fun. And I got to play Jason was like jazz. I have my home. Set on it says Grill freaks the fuck out when she sees my name because she knew who I was it all I hear some. Oh my god. Did I just get killed by Tad as that's the fucking coolest shit. I'm like God check is excited that I just murdered her. I don't understand. Oh my God the best person to murder me every month. I was like that's hilarious and then they trip out cuz I play video games and like I'm just a dude. I mean hey before I was even actor I was like huge individual games acting kind of like takes so much of my time. But I mean I miss I used to play World of Warcraft like religiously. I mean, my slash played is pretty it's it's a lot wage and it was over it was definitely like over a year and half or some shit of like straight-up play Towers was like, wow, I have no life. Congratulations me. I had a log One actually controlling the Dark Souls games. I loved our souls. Yes my God, I hope oh my God, it'd be the greatest if you witnessed. If I did this to you without knowing they'd be the greatest small world moment ever. And I know you'd never forget it because people trip out I would create you know, how you create the look of your character and whatever so I thought I would get this like super huge black armor, like super badass looking stuff right nice and I max out my character and then you know how you invade other people's worlds, right? You don't come back up on the screen saying your name, you know has invaded your world. Well, I make this big badass looking armored son-of-a-bitch that you just feel like it's going to kill you easily. But I named my character boobies and Ranch all of a sudden someone screen pops up boobies and Ranch has just invaded your world like what the fuck and he just wrecks you because he's like armored and Max dead. And right and people just left scratching their heads, like what the fuk just have like screencap that and like like touching over somebody or something that you are a skilled your ass. It's the greatest here ever I do I do like it. It's pretty fantastic. Yeah, we're definitely best friends for life. Now it for sure for sure. But no hey if I make a podcast I'm going to make you my first guest if you want that would be the coolest ever thought that you got you got the spot. You're going to be you'll be an episode 1 Hey whenever I do it. Do you know who my first guess was? I can look but I would take me longer time. So who was it? My buddy mixed Ron who was the fucking production designer for Nightmare on Elm Street thousand and four candy and blade awesome. Yeah, the effects guy for Boogie Nights. Wow, he came back recently on my page and it blew up. Oh, yeah, it's awesome. I saw you had we have a mutual friend. He's a special effects artist. I don't know him very well, but I just reached out to him recently and I love his work Joe Castrol. Yeah, then he's going to be making the mask for the movie. I'm in. Oh shit. Yeah, he's super talented. Yeah, he's been on my show was the director too of the movie. I believe Angela Thursday. It's going to be doing that. Oh, yeah. That's right. She's the that's that's so cool. I would love to work with you in jail, and and I'll super talented honestly. Yeah, he's badass and birth. Angela's twin daughters, it's their movie that they're making their first or maybe like full-length. Wow, they wrote the script and everything. So they cast me as she asked them. If she was on my show. She asked them like it showed me to them and so Jim he like she didn't even mention it to me at first was just like me being here. They're like, yeah took you know immediately. There's just something they said like Jack in Italy, you know, so that's great. I feel like you just probably like have a really probably set the type really well, so that's that's good that they realize that I'm going to bring you aboard. That's awesome. It was funny cuz I spoke with them. I'm like, I don't know how that happened. I got the face for radio and the boys for fucking the silent film era. So you do have a very good podcast voice. I'll tell you that. I'll tell you that. Well, thanks kindly, you know stuck with people like that all the time cuz like shut up, you know made you laugh assholes dead. It's funny. You can't take yourself too. Seriously. You gotta fucking make fun of yourself. Oh absolutely without a doubt. I mean other like when start getting embarrassed just be like, wow, I'm off the latest have like what the hell just embrace it. You know, like I said before just embrace all that silliness. We're all human. We all do stupid silly shit. So just have fun with it, right, you know? Yeah, John Castro. I saw that your friends of the team and I was like, that's so cool, but I don't know who it was if it was like your management or whatever that added me and Lexie Los angeleno. Yeah, and I was like, okay, it's just like a random ad and I was like, okay cool. I accept it. Yeah. She's my manager. She's a great lady. She's awesome. And that's how I found you because she posted that article. Oh, that's cool. Because you know Nova Scotia caught my eye and I'm like, well, that's what oh, she's awesome. I love Alexey. She she works very hard for me. I'm very grateful to her as a manager and like that's so funny dog. Having to share that and you saw it and here we are right like she just added me at random. I don't have like I don't even know who this is. But that happens to be like multiple times a day. So it's fine. Yeah. Now I get that I get a lot of random ads as well and honestly as long as we're you know, not like like if I usually leave that profiles now cuz I went through a time where I just didn't for some reason but yeah, as long as they have like mutual friends and they're in the office team industry. I'm like, yeah you cool. Well, except you right see I never do that because I don't want to be that guy. You know what I mean? I guess when you're due to it's different cuz that's like creepy. But oh, yeah, if you just randomly and people yeah, and I I don't do that shit, but you know, I really, you know, I don't I don't want to dudes add me. I try not to like assume that they're going to creep on me or anything. I'm just kind of go another industry person. I love Network page, but then I know sometimes I mean I do get the creepy messages, but I just kind of like ignore them and like block people after being really weird. I get a lot of people with braces fetishes noun. Oh my God, that's the thing. That's definitely a thing. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that movie like oh, so I see you've got braces. Happy birthday. I know I know where this is going. I know others who opens a conversation with so you got braces, huh? I see the funny thing is actually is the short film that short comedy film. I mentioned earlier in our conversation. How is about my braces? It's about a dude who was like, oh you have braces, you know, it's like that kind of thing and he insist it's not a sexual thing that he's so obsessed with them ever since we made that movie. It's fantastic. It's the one that's being submitted to film festivals. So I can't show it publicly yet, but hopefully something but ever since that movie that's my start getting those damn messages. I was like, I was in a movie like this. Nope. I knew immediately were going to get along because I saw your name On IMDb and I was laughing so hard cuz I was sitting here watching it was like this guy needs to fuck off already just like so protective like there's there's like I can relate to this on some level or like this person or something like this person. I just want to like, will anyone that bothers them. I appreciate you you're fucking and how long you guys accept dual action like team. We kick asses together or some shit right? We should just like, you know have this movie where you just uppercut people in the armpit, you know off again. Yeah. Hey, you know, it works. I mean did you know that if you actually uppercut somebody in the armpit dealership or parents did not know that the cooling off like, but however, you do got to be careful cuz if you punish them too hard they can die because there's actually an artery there that can rupture dead. Oh, yeah is your brachial goes up through there? Yeah. So here's a hilarious story that proves what I'm saying a friend of mine. She said that she actually she did it to her sister and it worked but here's the funniest part was she's like the reason I did it was because she was wearing my favorite pants without asking some like backfire, right? So that's crazy. You punched her so hard she shit your pants down around see, you know as tempting as that sounds and hilarious it would be I would have to smell it not right, but we need to make that a mainstream movie thing. Now where people just like you imagined in like the next Die Hard movies and like someone uppercut question range of the armpit. I want to see it really I do. I want to see that none of the movie now. I'm I'm impressed off. I think we have to be the trendsetters on that. We gotta make that we do it right with Joe Castro making it like over the top where like they would be fantastic. We can all react to like like like just be like, oh, that's so disgusting. Oh my God. I feel like it's my job to ask you what every listener is probably currently asking what the fuck is wrong with them. I mean the podcast like uncensored awesome podcasts are just like times where you can just have like the best conversations in the most real and like six conversations and the people listen are probably just like wow. Okay, I didn't know I needed to hear that today, but that's great. I mean, like I said every guess so far has asked to come back. So I was like, oh, yeah, you got a lot of a lot of fun. Do you know who shit? I'm trying to my saying his neighbor. I think it's Danny chill. Yeah. Oh, I love him. Oh my God. He's so awesome. He says the craziest shit too. I love it off. There's nothing to the Congo to find a dinosaur. What the hell? That sounds like something I would do when I'm baked like just the dumbest right? That guy's just a legend love that dude. I don't even know anymore when people come on my show. I don't know what to expect. I'm like this is going to go somewhere weird natural birth the Great. It's a lot of fun. I mean, you must you must love it. Honestly, just like I talking to people and having like the silliest best conversations. I mean, it's it's a way to live really living your best life, right? The fact that I used to do. This is like a nine-to-five is a blast to me. Oh, yeah. Yeah, then gets there like act and shit like that now which that would be in the goal is to film in 2021 in it'll be in Denver Colorado right on I love Colorado see so I've never been there. So shoot off. It'll be cool to work with you on that. Oh, yeah. No, I'd be more than happy to fly out there and see you and do a cool ass movie and be college championships again. I mean, I gotta make that happen. I'm going to pitch that to the right people and make that happen and you know told that there's this bitching fucking Brazilian steak has they want to take me too. Oh, yeah, I bet you're thrilled about that you and your steak, huh? Oh, yeah, it is an all-you-can-eat Brazilian state has like yeah, but I hate to be fair. I'm sure there's like a bajillion salad thoughts are for you so it's all good. Yeah, there's always something that I can enjoy all you can eat salad versus all-you-can-eat steak, right like take out. The state wage is like like like eat at home just and just keep like pummeling them down. Are you like challenging me now to like a BMI be challenging you actually salad versus state competition. I think well, you know Stakes a bit more filling, but we'll see. We'll see. I mean you might be able to you might be able to surprise me here. That would be hilarious like that needs to happen needs to be recorded. Oh, absolutely. I mean no one's going to believe that anyone would do that kind of shit. Unless proof that we offer that right. Hey, yeah take a video and then just be like, yeah. This happened the shit happened. I can't wait to get there too. Because people are going to ship their pants because you know, they see on a video and they think they have an idea but you know when I'm sitting down you don't see six foot five, you know, and she's like a monster right? You know, it's like I Tower over people and I'm like fucking 265 and I'm actually shooting for 285. You know. Wow. Yeah, it's funny cuz there's videos with the documentary but my life were like, I'm on the peck Deck with one arm doing 245 like it's boring me and that's maxed out. The fucking thing doesn't get any heavier wage. I'm doing the entire 245 pounds with one arm each side and paper like get you like maybe make it look like it's challenging for fucksake for us normal people. And then Monday honestly you and Joe Rogan do like an MMA fight. Oh, that'd be so cool. Right and people are like imagine if you weren't so against steroids Jesus you'd be like, oh, yeah, I'm glad yeah, I don't I wouldn't think steroids would be a good path. Either know I those that the idea of that just weirds me the fuck out. I can't it's a little freaky little bit off. Yeah, you leave a you're literally changing your genetic make-up, which I don't think anyone has any business doing. Yeah. Like I definitely would like something like that box has a lot of bad side effects can be pretty dangerous and right now. Taking the shit you lose that size, but the damage remains I heard that wage. And yeah having to get like test replacement shots every fucking month the rest of your life because you played with steroids. It's just fucking dumb to me like yeah, no not worth the risk man. Yeah. It's just not worth the damage and the risk. Yeah, definitely not hell. Yeah. I mean if I could do this shit without all that garbage, what the fuck do I need that for real? Natural is better off anyway, right, you know and it's funny because being six 5, you don't look like you're some kind of cartoon character even though you're sixty-five Page look like bullshit. You know what I mean? Like big puffy cloudy looking motherfuker. Yeah, but you just look like really like, you know, it's like where you have someone who they fill in their home really well and they just look ripped further size. They don't look like like you said literally a cartoon character, right? But at the same time because of my shoulders and everything like I'm light enough that like when I'm standing there talking to someone in the gym people behave. You think I'm talking to myself like a psychopath because they can't see the person in front of it doing man, and they're just like put the fuk is this guy doing? That's great. So that's going to be fun. And you know, that's why Jamie style was like dude why the fuck you know, cuz he's an actor. He's been in like almost everything off all the Saw movies. He's had a party. Yes. I love saw dude. That's classic right there. Right? He's been like The Avengers movies and shit like that. Like always got these parts where he's just kind of their life, you know, a lot of it's even uncredited. But if you go to IMDb and look what he's done, it's like holy fuc. U was in like, I'm pretty sure he's been in so much and it's hard to keep tabs on at all this point but he's also attribute right, you know, and he's a good friend of mine, right? He's a good friend of mine and he's a producer so he's life. He pitches me like why the fuck are you not killing people in movies and I was like, nobody asked ra that's awesome. Yeah, you spend alot. Oh, yeah, I see him right off. The tetanus podcast on the sensor, he's been a lot you put this on IMDb this really cool. Actually you have a pitch that to me about doing that and you know, that's cool. I love that. So now you're going to get more credits cuz I'll put you up here in their first. Awesome. That's fun. Yeah, he's done a lot always been in Tremors. He's in a lot of really cool stuff off of speaking of Tremors. Yeah when my buddy mixed Ron came on he brought Nick Benson on who was the effects guy for Tremors and the blob. Oh, yeah. I do. I love Tremors and blah blah blah that's impressive that he did the effects on those things. And yeah, he follows me on Instagram. Oh, that's awesome. I follow you honest. I know I was like that's cool. You're like so talented and I'm wonder I wonder why you don't have more followers on Instagram and Facebook. You just don't spend a ton of time worrying about all that, huh? Hi Joan. It's so funny. I appreciate that by the way, but yep. No, I really am Twitter is even worse. I don't fucking here. So ya Instagram, I don't really bother with it too much money, you know, and there's so many people if people only knew the truth all these people with like this mad following they paid for it, so Yeah. Yeah, I don't I've never paid for Paul that followers and I never will I've had people ask and be like, oh you should do you want to pay for your full? I'm like no fuck that. I don't need you to get followers. I'm going to work my ass off and do it myself and right. It's like a little suspicious when you have like five hundred thousand plus followers and each one of your posts gets like three, you know off the interactions and kind of a tip-off, you know, honestly, It's so funny. I mean, we you know sharpish it in the comments and shit and you know, I thought oh what a cool person but you know, like I said, I'm not that guy. I don't just fucking randomly off because it comes off certain way and it's not for me. So then you added me I was like, oh that's cool. Like, you know, someone had Union think it was weird or anything. I don't know as I am so cool because I'm not going to be the one to do that shit because my view obviously it's funny cuz you know, it goes both ways, but my view is always if they want to fucking at me they would have you know, they might be thinking the same thing but it's funny. There's just too many weird dudes out there that just do that shit. It kind of comes off creepy and I'm like, I'm not going to be that guy that's not for me. Well, I'm glad I was able to add you in and all worked out and buy that your supply and you don't want to come off certain way. I'm pretty down-to-earth and I'm glad we were talking now so I know you're not like me at all. Yeah, awesome. I appreciate this. Are you like we got a lot of immediately and it's just one of those things. I always get the weirdest thing from people like it's weird in the sense of how often it happens. But so many times within the first like five minutes of talking to somebody that I feel like I've known you forever. Yeah. No, I feel like I've known you for a while without a doubt like we get along really. Well. It's just funny how often I hear that. There's gotta be something to that. There's going to be a reason or some shit. I don't know but it's just so common that you know, it's got to be a good choice majon, you know. Yeah, honestly, I think a lot of it if you're like a good person and stuff and like you really get along with people easily your easy-going. Like I feel like a lot of people just feel very comfortable talking to you and I'm like, oh, yeah, you're cool people like and I think it's important to just be chill and be kind and then people will like you and want to you know be in your circle or whatever. Yeah, I mean, yep. I've never had anybody like I feel like I've hated you for anything. I mean, I'm not real on that that possibility that that day will come but some people be the first I'm sure I try to just get along with everybody to be honest. I just just try to be kind and just you know, that's how we both end up with so many knives that are back because we both do that shit and it back home and can unfortunately, but you know, I'm learning to try to just be more careful and surround myself with other really positive and she'll people you know, it's like you can see all these attitude if they're the kind of positive your person you want to be around or if they're going to bring negativity in your life. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean once you've gone through it enough you can see the most common red flags are kind of spot them a mile away. Oh, yeah, without a doubt. You know, it's I don't know anyone that loves fall. It's fine by me. Oh, yeah, all the other reasons why we got along immediately. But oh, yeah. No, we have a lot in common and a lot to talk about. It's it's great. And I love I'm always very grateful when I meet someone who's really cool because it's like out of seven or eight billion or however many people there are now I'm a cool person not like I really get along with that's just great small world, right? Oh, yeah. I mean if we work together on this damn movie, too, I don't know if you saw that with my own clothing line that have had since 2016. Yeah. I was checking that out. Actually. Yeah, I got to bring you something like free gift or something because you're so sweet. I'll have to think of something to bring also. I don't have a clothing line, but I'll figure something out just a punch in the next line be like, all right. What about an uppercut in the armpit? Can I can I bring you that? Yeah. Yeah, you know, I'll come off. Aware depends and I love to wrap your marriage mental freaking I'll wear it put it on in scrambled eggs, so sweet it. That's amazing. I got to do that shit when I come out there for the movie cuz I'm sure you're in as far as I'm concerned about sounds like I mean, I'm definitely a sound very Jake citing. I I will not pass up a horror film with awesome people. So I mean, it's great that one you have experience and two they trust my judgement. So I mean they want to be literal and just random as people that may never have any ounce of experience to bring to the table. So I think this is kind of a huge step up from that possibility. Oh, yeah. Definitely. I'm glad that you were able to sign me in that. I do have experienced stuff. I'm hoping to eventually get into sag. I just haven't gotten eligible yet, but I think it's a matter of time. Oh, absolutely after you know, what a small world kind of moment to because somebody eat that just happened to be your management randomly added me for whatever reason. I'm not sure off. I was just kind of at an awareness. All right cool, you know and I accepted and then I've never talked to them at all like you know, not that I'm she's stuck up to do that or anything. It's just we never communicated yet off. And you know, it's just kind of more like my ship kind of deal and do the same and then I saw the post about you and I was like, oh, that's so cool, you know, and I'm you know, it mentions where I'm glad that you're getting that recognition. I thought that's super awesome. I gotta show some love and here we are. So yeah, I mean, it's pretty wild that I'm in Portland, Oregon and that was able to be in a little newspaper article Nova Scotia, like literally across the like whole freaking continent. Like how did that happen? Right, right. I mean, that's how I feel with the fact that like in my analytics and everything. I'm pretty much balls deep in California. So I mean she knows love you. It's so weird and then Dublin Ireland is another big one for me that Yeah, it's a trip. I mean I got an Irish background anyway, but me to migrate my great-grandparents are from Cork Ireland. Oh, that's awesome. Suck my last name is a dead giveaway. But oh, yeah know your last name definitely is a dead giveaway. My my mom's last Maiden last name is English. It's towns along and then the great-grandparents were just talking about they were O'Connor. Oh, wow. Yeah also dead giveaway, right, you know, it's it explains things with me and explains the fight career my love for whiskey ready to fight, right? Yeah. I mean, I'm not a drinker but I do love to fight. So yeah, I don't really drink anymore because you know, obviously I'm constantly training my ass off and it's pretty counterproductive. So right right and all those empty calories and shit. Yeah, and then not to mention anything. You eat once you have booze. It's like your body makes digesting the alcohol top priority. So everything else gets stored as fat so that's fucked up is yep. That's that's a good point right there. Yeah, so it just doesn't do me any good. I'd rather be doing my fasted cardio in the morning and shredding out and you know, you never know when you may have to offer some people on a screen right? So it's got to be ready for that in a moment's notice really, right. You know, he fucking college students. I'm telling you. I just killed somebody onscreen wage being shot in the head like it's all assholes. I gotta know where I love that description. I want to see that on IMDb so fast, which is a 72-hour horror film festival here a contest of Oregon. The awards are getting put out this weekend and we did our film which is short called and he might be dead. It's about four people who are turning into zombies and Thursday. Yeah. No, it's all it's really cool. It's not an IMDb. We'll see if it gets there. But either way I can want to fully released and stuff. I'll send it your way. That is so awesome. I appreciate the bucket of Thursday for sure. I'm happy to share anything with you really cool person. And if it brings you entertainment, that's what I'm here for. Well, I mean sure we are best friends for life now, obviously so, you know get used to it, right? Yeah and likewise if you have anything you want me to look over or anything. I'm here for you email it or send it to me. I'm happy to lend you my support and love wage. Oh, you're the sweetest. I appreciate the fucking of that likewise. I definitely want to see that description on it. I and some guy in the head like a total fucking asshole off the plot describes. That's so good song. That sounds like something I would say. Yeah. I feel like we definitely have a similar sense of humor in like the our mannerisms sometimes can be pretty similar. Yeah. It's so funny. I remember years ago. I lived in Niagara Falls area and It was funny as high as a kite and my brain just does dumb shit. Like I say stupid shit because it entertains me and you know, this girl that I was dating at the time was over and we were watching this movie we rented and I don't remember what the hell it was. But there was like a trailer for this movie and I don't even know what the fuck it was, but I think it was some kind of like spy movie or something and Channing Tatum was in it and he's like it's in a diner or something. He'd like punches this chick right in the face. It just drops her. I guess she was a scumbag or something but as high as shit, and I was like, you know fucking I can remember his name to save my life. But I remember all these stupid movies that they were like pushing down everyone's throat at the time. So I was like, oh, holy fuck Dear John just sucked that bitch in the junk. That's pretty great. Just got heated dead. That was plugged and she's like what the fuck did you just called? That was a movie name. His name is off. That sounds like an interesting scene for sure. Right just right Majel just like there's this video clip that I keep finding on YouTube. That's so damn funny from like this old black-and-white movie that Ronald Reagan was in oh shit. He just slaps the soul out of this bitch off God what ya movies like some of those old movies like the violence of them are just so freaking silly. I'm just like, oh my God, that's that's that's pretty greedy. It's just like comical as hell right wage. I mean imagine at one point in life. This dude was your President, right and just right and he's tells this girl the fuck off and she's like, I like it here, you know, he tells her age And she's like I like it here and he's like I said, we even she's like an asset. I like it here. He's like well, I'll fix that in a hurry and he gets up slashes and present United States. Just what that's I would I would watch that if you if you know where that is elderly watch. It's on YouTube. I will send you the link to that because you're going to die laughing. It's so funny sounds pretty awful. I remember, you know, imagine if at that time you guys had that issue with Iraq and like Reagan just goes up to function Saddam Hussein and just slaps the song knock it off. I will have so much respect for that. Hey boss, he was like, he did some acting that's pretty interesting. He was an actor first and then you know, let's oh my gosh. Yeah, I forgot about that. Damn. Yeah. A lot of people do I forgot about it off? Saw that was like oh, right. He was an actor holyshit. That's pretty wild right It's the funniest thing. Like now I have so much stuff to send you. Oh, yeah same same. I've got quite a few things and you as well. Yeah, that's funny. We're going to be like laughing our asses off. Oh, yeah, always it's always good to have a good laugh, especially with everything going on today. It's just it's great job just surround yourself with people that can bring you up and have a good laugh. Oh shit. Imagine if we're working together on set how fucking hilarious it's going to be. Oh, yeah. I feel like I'll probably end up on the floor crying laughing at some point. Oh, it's going to happen for sure. I always love having fun on honestly being on set is some of the best times in my life. I just I love being on stage so much. Yeah, I can imagine it's going to be fun as hell what I live for just like literally you're getting paid to like make awesome fucking art and just like delves deep into character dead. And also behind the scenes have a little bit of fondant with your friends, right? I mean, I just talked to Angela today and I told her some shit that people tried to pull and she was like, yeah, no like yeah, she's like wage working to get you paid motherfuker like you're not doing nothing for we know this like, you know you go ahead. Okay, that's sometimes like it's sometimes we've been black and I don't want us to overtalk each other and all's no worries. I know it's just, you know, like obviously I don't fucking need exposure at this point people know who the fuck I so often, you know, if I don't like you said you hit the nail on the head and I love the bucket of that exposure doesn't pay your bills man fax, you know, so I don't need that bullshit. It's I don't need nothing for fucking, you know free. All right. Absolutely. I've been straight up taking advantage of for working for free it fucking sucks. Honestly. I can't go up to my landlord. Be like I have 1200 exposures from my room. Okay, so send me a list of names so I can when I get out there I can go break some kneecaps and God no for reals. I will I will send you I don't have a large list. There's only like straight up to people that I have hardcore blacklisted because of the shit they've done to me but I try to just kind of be cool that everybody unless they're like really fucking terrible like straight up under stuff like that that otherwise I just try to be chilled with everyone but there's two people that I'm like, oh my god. Well, yeah, so then I'll break their kneecaps and I know that hospital bills are exposed for you guys out there. You don't have the help. It's a struggle. You don't have to healthcare we have but thankfully they can pay their hospital bills in exposure. So I totally suck. They got enough exposures. Oh my God. No, you don't get to ask me to work for free man. I've done if I need some job. Need to respect my worth here. Absolutely. So I wouldn't want to get you in any situations like that. So, you know, I appreciate you know, I would assume that way, you know, the situation goes for everybody the way that it was pitched to me like you're not doing nothing free, you know, so that's just not how that works. I can't imagine people doing anything for free, Yeah. Let me spend my fucking money to travel to go. Do you a favor and have your right like what the fuc? Yeah. I'm good on that, you know tell you how many times I've had people messaging me from different states. Just don't hey, do you want to be in my film and I'm just like is this a paid opportunity and they're like, no, I can't pay for travel either. I'm like, what the fuck do you do think? I'm made of money like no. I didn't become successful by doing it for free. Right. I mean like for your friends like and like on occasion like it's totally fine. Also, if like you both are just having fun and like hanging out and you know, just having a great time. That's fine. But like if it's like to really go out of your way and Beyond set for summer hours, it's like oh now I have to take off my day job to do this or something. It's like I can't afford to do that. Yeah, I mean, you know, like I said, I got to a point where I've been successful because you know, like I could find retire now, it doesn't matter. That's awesome. Like I don't need it either. You know what I don't I don't get there by dealership for free, you know, all the issues of my friends. Of course, you know, I'm not a virgin friends and like yeah, you know, like I'm not going to say well, you know, I just broke those guys kneecaps for you, you know, you got something for me like down there. Right? Right. I mean totally and I'm all about helping out my friends, you know, I actually prefer to give rather than take. I mean, I'm the kind of person I could have no money and I'll give you dinner for every night for a week. Just cuz like I want to be there for you and like give you be hospitable and expect nothing in return, but you know what? I mean? Like I I'm an actor with disabilities and I do have trouble working full-time mother like acting as the only thing I've been able to do and like fighting that copes with my PTSD very severe PTSD and like those two things really helped me over comment and it's just really hard for me to have like a regular job. So I mean, I only work my day job now about 48 hours a week roughly because I just it's I've been like struggling to hold a job for a long time now because like I get really overwhelmed and I have like panic attacks and stuff like that. So I'm just I'm trying to find a way to be able to make money but also do my art and it's really tough when nobody has enough respect for you where they don't want to pay you or they want you to do free stuff for them all the time and like I said, but my husband he's been unemployed since May 2019 looking for a job. Out of college she has he's all but dissertation math and he's a software developer. He's super-smart. He just has been struggling to find work because he hasn't worked for a company yet and they're like, oh we we met some of the experience but how do you get experience without experience, you know, exactly food and I just try to work as much as I can. You know that that's the the Vicious Cycle is everyone wants experience but no one wants to be the one to give you that experience and say right I don't get that. Yeah, it's definitely been tough. Especially with covid-19 was just getting to a point where he was starting to get more interviews and stuff and then coping happened and it was like, oh, we're not doing interviews anymore. Here's the hiring freeze and we've just been like barely barely breaking even and I just I really hope that things get easier for everybody here and everywhere because it's just it's been really challenging. Yeah. It's been fucked up. I mean, I know you guys got it pretty bad where I'm at in Nova Scotia. It's like no new cases. And then right. Yeah where I left and Ontario's like 950 a new cuz they're fucking idiots. They don't listen to nobody. They think that they know everything all entitled peckerheads and they fucking do they want, you know, and it's like I'm just going to come out there and punch everyone of you in the neck fat and freaking hilarious. Just Round House kicks to the neck fat, you know, and they're fucking flabs like you just go off. It's still have the mountain view of their hands. Oh and I want to see that. Oh man. Okay now you and I officially have to do like our own fucked-up movie where it doesn't even matter. If it is a production company involved. We just do this random shitt two people, you know, stupid ship that entertains thoughts, you know uppercuts round has kidnapped Fat Joe Castro can be the freaking makeup artist boss wants to be or whatever right? I'm going to pass that to look. Okay. Here's the deal. I'm in this movie. I'm going to slap somebody across the esophagus off of ground So Random, it's yeah random is good. Sometimes the fact that you could have with my fucken log. Idiocy means we're now going to get along with mine. Like we feed off each other's bucking bulls. Oh, we do honestly thought why I mean we make great like like podcasts like what's the word like conversational people? Like we're just we just say like we keep feeding off of each other and that's that's what I love about like comedy improv. You just have someone like a partner a scene partner and you just like fucking shoot the shit and just becomes hilarious and you're just like what the fuck wait till I go live. It's going to be on the screen yard. So I think there's a chapter you can jump in and say the most random shitt. I would love to be like kicking the Netflix neck fat doing right then you're going to get started on a tangent about punch people, you know. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Jimmy and Ron are you going to be dead? On my 100th show on the 7th. It'll be the first live show. Awesome. Yeah, so who knows with Ron? I don't know if you're aware of Ron but Jack Russell is a fucking character. I do not know him. He is Jimmy's husband. Oh right on. Okay, give me Star right? Yeah. And so I was on my show he's fucking hysterical and then I go on their show and I don't know, you know, like he he knows I don't have any rules on my show but still I get on his show and the first thing Ron says to me is okay when I was on your show, we played by your rules. Well, you're in my fucking Playground now, so you're going to play by my rules. How long are you off? Damn day trade out the gate and said that on are you did yeah straight up. That's awesome. Yeah on a live show offers. Funny as fuck cuz there's chat room full of women. And so I cracked the fuk up. Oh my God, you know as fucking with him and I was like, well, I mean size 14 shoes. You know what I'm saying? He's like, well, you know, yeah. Yeah, but you know what they say big feet big meat lost my God just be like, all right. Well, if you're under eighteen inches, you gotta leave home and he's eighty but he looks like you know, not a day over like 50 like this dude. Yeah, and he's from yeah. He's like hardcore from like old Hollywood man off. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, he worked with like Betty Davis and funky and Sophia Loren and all those people so he's a blast he's got stories for days. He's so fucking fuck. He'll say whatever he wants. He doesn't give a shit. Yeah, and then there's Jimmy who loves horror as much as I do. We both have a horror collection. So, you know work log, That's great. It sounds like you just met like some really cool people and like that's I love stories just telling stories and learning about people's stories. It's just like people are so interested. Absolutely and I mean, especially when they've been doing this ship or so. Oh, yeah, totally like you just kind of build-up like lots of stories and experiences and you get to share them with people and it's honestly experiences or just like the best song like feel like if you're you're like, you're the richest person in the world if you have like great experiences to share cuz like I mean, it's just that's what I looked wrong. I love meeting people because not much as like more fun and more important than just seeing the world and having a good time. Really absolutely and that's exactly what I've been telling people like if you can travel or experience newshit do it because like material shit comes and goes and no one can take memories like that from Oh know exactly. Your memories are always there like regardless like what happens like you always have those. Yeah how you know, and I've had so many damn experiences and I'm just getting started off. And so I mean, it's super cool and meeting new people such as yourself that are super awesome. It's like I love that shit, you know, like like home. Yeah. It's It's Been a Good Year. I mean regardless of all the chaos and whatnot. I've met like so many cool people this year and I'm like incredibly grateful for that. I'm like you really happy that I've got off the spend time and talk and meet like with so many awesome folks. It's like even though it's been challenging year at least there's been some good things that have come out of it like new friendships or whatnot. Oh hell. Yeah. I mean now you're stuck with my fucking stupid ass for life. So you really fucked up there. But I mean he happier. I mean, honestly, I love giving loyal to just walk. Although you're the good kind of your the right kind of person to have in like you're like my corner, you know what? I mean? Like I just I like your dedication to your friends. I like we the emphasis you unfriend off because that's friendships like the most important thing to me out of anything at all. Like just just having solid connections is what make makes everything else worth it really right, you know, and I thought the same way and it's like, you know, I literally had and I can show you the text like fucking screenshot because it really bothered me that much that a friend of mine was like, you know, when I said, oh my gosh and you know mix going to be on from night rentals or whatever or my friend can say Goose or whatever like, you know, cuz I know she's a horror fan. I told her that, you know, he's a friend of mine and he's gonna be on the show whatever she liked foil. Are you friends with me, you know, like, you know, all these like fucking huge names and whatever I'm like and do I ever put them above you like I don't value them more than you. You know, what time? Yeah, they're friends of mine your friend of mine. That's it. I don't know why people feel that way. Yeah. No, I agree. I've had people say like not the same thing but just kind of like, oh, you know, like if you took a big you're going to forget about me like hell. No, I'm not I'm on like who was there for me when I was just like not even thinking about acting or this or that like, you know, I I don't exactly like what you said. I don't put anybody off but he doesn't matter who you are in terms of like how well known you are like if you're in a movie or whatever like as long as you're a good person like I'm there for you man, like and I'm not going to just like a value somebody else over you like I don't care about all that right? You know, it's not like I'm going to be like, oh, well, you know kind of say girls was in you know, two of them movies from my favorite franchise ever. So, you know, obviously I have to make him my priority over you, you know, it's like know your titties and beer and my books so I mean birth Definitely and it's like oh, excuse me. What is your IMDb star ometer fucking imagine life. I need to check with your your star monitor before I decide whether or not we can speak to each other right like what those I hate that shit. I don't even I don't even promote mine cuz I'm just lay it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things like sometimes I mean, it can be inflated. If you have like a bunch of credits going on at the same time. Like it just depends. I don't even really know how it works when I'm just like I don't give a fuk right and I hate when people like, you know, I've had somebody that I've known for years say yeah, I was a little reluctant to message you and now that you're famous because like I didn't know if you're going to respond or if it's your personal assistant. I'm like first of all, nobody speaks for me and second of all, I hate that fucking word I cringe when someone's like, oh you're famous and she and it's like, oh that's a good quality word man. Like yeah now I get that like dead. Have people like I mean, I'm not even like famous at all. And that's not why I'm doing this but I have people sometimes say stuff like oh you're going to be a star and she'll like them like, I don't even know what that means. Like. I'm just doing my thing. I hate it's so weird. Sherry Nelson is on my show and she asked me she's like, well, you got a documentary out about your life that they made wage. Now if they were to make like a biopic about your life, who do you think should play you and I was like, oh no and she was like, I have to say like Donnie Wahlberg cuz that's who you remind me of it like in please take as a compliment. I mean that in the best way possible. I think that's a huge compliment and as like, well, it's a lot better than I was going to say like a disheveled Gary Busey or some shit shit shit play yourself, or maybe maybe it's just like that's against the like right but it's like, you know, I never even thought of that at the time because I'm acting wasn't even on my radar. It was on your router off. You know wasn't even something I considered and then it's pitched to me like a couple of months later. It's like wow. Okay, I guess we're doing that. I guess this is a thing now, right? And you know, what's funny is a New Jersey and Breaking Bad at one point. I love breaking bad dude. It's so good. Hey Madge the picture that I saw that crack me the fuck out that you posted and maybe like all the way this has got to be my best friend for life now because that was the greatest shit ever motivational quote of the day. Yeah. I'm a big Breaking Bad Better Call Saul life and like honestly Rhea seehorn. She's definitely one of my favorite actresses. She just does a killer performance in Better Call. Saul is Kim. I don't know if you've seen em all but it's fucking fantastic all of that. She is so great that you have. Yeah. It's it's fantastic. I'm a wooden Kirk. He's hilarious as hell love that guy. Yeah, so khong Easy, I mean it's funny how that works. Cuz Angela was in that show and and then you know because I heard I got this opportunity and it's funny the condition that my child had my son had that he passed from the only expert that really knows the most which isn't much but knows the most about it. His lab is in Denver, Colorado. Oh wow, and I'm starting a charity in his name to help fund research for that condition and they want me to come out to where that do is located to film a movie which I you know, it's like everything happens for a reason, right? Yeah interesting. Do you think you'll be able to like do you think you'll like be able to inquire about that while you're there? Oh, probably I could make time to do that. I think for sure. And so I thought that was funny that it's like I'm being led out there after I decided to start this charity for him for his condition. I mean, it's not obviously way too late to save him but there's other babies that just do not need to fucking die. So you'll be able to help other people too. So, you know, as soon as I decided I was doing that I meet Angela and something just clicked where she was like you're you're going to be doing this movie. I'm I want to become the producer of your show all funded to go live and fucking I you know, whatever and I'll do the engineering and everything and you just do what you do kind of like, wow, this is crazy and then put me in a fucking movie and then getting me all these other opportunities for other movies and trusting me as an executive of their economy. So yeah, that's why I'm confident that I have the the pull to kind of get you in and out. You know, then the whole Breaking Bad Thing she was on it. Then I see that hilarious picture and I just knew with you immediately and not only is she nice but she's fucken hilarious. Like I'm just fine. So I think for a reason the fact that you know your management as me at random one day still hasn't said a word to me so I don't know who they are. But then I you through them, you know just by chance, you know, I believe in coincidence. So no, I agree. I really do think that it's funny cuz my husband and I have been talking a lot about have you ever just like been like doing something and you just think about somebody you know, how long of a sudden you freaking see them? It's almost like maybe we're thinking about them because you were going to see them. Yeah, it's weird right now. You're right. I'm in a coincidence. You know, I mean, I took like there's definitely a reason we met and we're both Crossing each other's paths and like making a difference in each other's lives already that I think it's like it's definitely the start to a beautiful friendship. I agree cuz I mean we both Usually know what it's like to be stabbed in the back repeatedly. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I haven't randomly shot anyone in the head like an asshole yet. But I look forward to ensure you want to shove volved in this I mean, so I mean you you got one up on me on that but I will catch up. I mean, hey, you're going to murder like a bunch of people in a movie probably so, you'll catch up. There you go so that then we gotta do that other movie together so you can get caught up to Michael account and make cool name for the movie kill cows, right? Even when I announced that I was walking away kind of quietly from it. And then I was like, you know, yes, the rumors are fucking true that an opportunity came up and I am gladly be trading in my fight gloves for a body count in a weapons. There you go. Yeah. Straight up murder. But yeah, I think it's going to be great. And I feel like I've taken up suck your fucking done. Like honestly, I've had a great day. I mean you've really made a difference in my day. You're wonderful kind-hearted just fantastic person and I found we to see where this journey takes us and I can't wait to talk to you more and I want you to know that you can message me anytime and I will give you my number and don't say it on the air bag wasn't getting any is that you were right? Yeah. Definitely. I'll DM you my number. I think it's free to text Canada slash us or whatever. So yeah absolutely have to give you mine too, actually because you know, I was like, oh this is like the coolest shit. So yeah, that's awesome. And I appreciate you you're the sweetest. I just can't guarantee deeply talking to you age. It's we just meshed we got along. Oh, yeah, and then there's times like that where there's someone comes along and like I just messed with them with my guess. It's quite frequently that Kenny Olson for example that you know was the guitarist for Kid Rock and and so many other people it was weird. I told him I was like dude, I remember sitting back in the day and the ghetto in fucking Toronto in a basement watching your ass play on again Woodstock ninety-nine stage and here we are we were brothers immediately the second we started talking right? He was like, I got to get you my number brother and you know, they actually offered they invited me to come him Kenny Aronoff wage and Steve Perkins from Jane's Addiction that also played for Nine Inch Nails. Me too, and he was also in Encino Man wage. One of my favorite movies nice and yeah, he was you know, the drummer in that for that band that was in it. So then a couple of other people sharing Nelson and all of them are they're all supposed to be in Montreal in December for Burning Man festival. I'll fuck. Yes Burning Man. Oh, they all invited to come hang and food to do that shit. So I was like dude if the borders open you can get there. I'll be there find some like fucking shit and handouts people because now they you know, I'm going they're all like high school. Yeah. So I mean right off the bat talking to Kenny its first time and he's just like I got to get you my number you gotta come and hang in Montreal brother like they were doing this and then he turned off to the same thing and Steve Perkins said the same thing and that's got age was the other one from Pink Floyd pink fluid right and to get people coming home. Shows and dude Scott page, could definitely have to do your show. So I was like, yeah, that's fucking crazy. Oh, that's awesome. That's really cool that like, you know, it's weird cool person. I don't see why. One connect with the it's not surprising to me. Oh, you're the sweetest. Honestly, I call it, you know like a like a spiritual connection. Sometimes you just like by with people on this page weird spiritual level on this like, okay, you're you're entwined like this sounds so corny. I know it's like you're like intertwined with like my soul now like you're just such a cool person. We like Vive, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's a sweet home. I feel like that. You know, I feel that's legit more so than people saying I know some people think it sounds kind of, you know, corny or whatever but I think it's like legit the deepest bucking you can get with people. I'm not sure I'm very big into psychedelic. So I'm very big into like what's not really seen and like what's like this like, it's weird dude, like when you trip like it opens up your mind and like your heart and your soul so much that yep. To see and feel things that you never really thought could be comprehended, you know saying. I got into streams this year. I loved it. I loved she was my favorite and extremity thought I'd like to grind it up and put it on my pasta and shit. Yeah, I joined it up and I put it in like T and gets you fukkard like within 15 minutes, Yeah. Yeah. I my last shroom trip was a hero Dallas like five grams. I was like, whoa, it was crazy. All right, we're doing this off my God. We gotta do this f f the other person that actually was super badass. That's like I'm coming back on your show cuz I could have done this for 3 hours slides, you know, I had dig Fair Sean at one point, but that night I had his mother coming on my show after the fact Dan. So the one person that wanted to table For like three hours, but I only had the hour was Ian Burt who was from The People Under the Stairs And we just talked about his friends with Wes Craven for the whole fucking time. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, so he's like I have to come back in like November and we'll do this again. I'm like fuck. Yes, we will so he's a friend of mine as well. Oh, that's awesome. That's great. I love it. I can't I definitely want to get through like a lot of Europe. So just check out some of the conversations yet. I mean you're you're really good speaker. You really fun to listen to and it's supposed to be fun. You know, I'm totally looking forward to hearing more of like the conversations you've had with other awesome. People are the sweetest. I mean, it's on YouTube to so there's videos and shit off. That's great right on, you know for the sake of like the fact that I have so much clutter shit with horror stuff, you know, the worst thing being friends with big fairs is finding out. He's still happy. The mask that the clown mask you wear in Halloween. I don't know shit really and and it's for sale. I see I like don't tell me that like South Poles by I don't need wash it. I know like collecting stuff just like cool bluish. It's like man dead. My God, we're going to get along beautifully. Oh, absolutely without a doubt fucking don't want to take up all your damn time. So, you know, we can do this forever. Oh, yeah, but we'll be in touch. You know, let me I will actually have company coming here soon anyways, but I will definitely I've got some things to send you within the next few days. I'm sure I'll get everything but I'll definitely send you my number after we hang up here. Absolutely and I'll send you the pictures of my horror drawings that I've done that we mentioned and I thought they were fun as fuck to do. They took a couple of days usually but such a blast. I'm excited. I'm super excited. So yeah, I can't wait. Well, thanks for your time and coming home. I mean we had a blast I think you'll end up having to be a regular because, you're so sweet. I would love to where we're just so damn random that it's a blast. So I mean, how do you not? Yeah. I mean, I definitely would love to do this again. I had a wonderful time and you're young you're so easy to talk to your very very fun. I appreciate you having me here. So it's been a blast man. I appreciate your time. I appreciate you wanting to do it. You could have easily been like the fuk or you idiot wage. Never Buck. Is this tool? All right. Well, thanks so much. Love you to death and we got You there something sharing we definitely got to do this again and you've got to do your show that would be so cool. I think you've got a lot to say and a lot of experience to offer and I think it'd be a damn shame if you didn't do it is awesome. I appreciate the offer and you know, you're amazing. I will talk with you very soon. And yeah, this has been great. So thanks for making my day. No, thanks for making mine. It's been a blast. All right, you take care of my friend took you two. So that was crystal who is just immediately my new best friend as I've stated. I'm not even kidding damn it. Like that was like one of the coolest people ever is the coolest person ever love her to death her and I just immediately mesh and You know, it's one of those rare rare types of people that you just get along with on such a deep level that it's it's legit. You know, it's not one of those. Oh, they seemed nice, you know, and then later on you kind of see things. You're like, oh maybe not so much. This is one of those genuine things where it's like one of those deep connections where it's like you feel like you've known summer a really long time and you just want to go to bat for them every chance you get really help them out and just kind of watch each other's backs, especially in such a bizarre industry off. So, I love it. I just get an immediate good vibe and you know that gut feeling so I think we're gonna be super close and I think we already are I mean screw it it is what it is off. And you know, I look forward to more conversations with her. She's so talented. It's ridiculous, you know everything she touches is great. She turns it into a million bucks. So, you know, she's just going to go so far in anything she pursues and I love it. I think it's great and I wish her the absolute best in everything. She does off and I support her a hundred and 20% and if she needs any advice with mme or anything and she knows she's got my number she can call me or text me or whatever and I'll be happy to help and you know that God anything and you know, we're going to eventually cross paths in our work. I think it's inevitable the chemistry's just too good to not work together. So I look forward to it off until then we're going to be BFFs buddy. You know, that's my my personal assistant would say what a girly term but, you know, we just met dog Immediately that's family right now. So I look forward to all the opportunities that are coming that I think we're bound to get together work wise because I think people will see that chemistry and just like yeah, you guys have would be super comfortable working together in every type of field and you know, it's just like you feed off each other and your best work comes from each other. So even if it gets weird, even the conversations kind of get bizarre, but however, cutting armpits and Round House kicks the people connect, you know, you just start talking man and things come out. You know me. I'm a weird bastard. So it is what it is. I hope you guys dug the show. It was a little bit spontaneous and I was no better way to do it, right? So check out her Instagram and burn else. Just check her out in general her work IMDb. Everything is great and I will catch your ass insulator, man.

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"Hi It's Jamie progressive's number one number two employee leave a message at the Hey Jamie. It's me Jamie this. Is Your daily Pep Talk. I know it's been rough going ever since people found out about cappella group mad harmony but you will bounce back. I mean you're the guy always helping people find coverage options with the name your price tool. It should be you giving me the pep talk now. Get out there hit that high note and take mad harmony all the way to nationals this year sorry it was pitchy Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates price and coverage match limited by State Law. It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. It's pain and it's getting in between you in the life. If you want to live CD medic target your pain at its source it's fast acting relief with active. OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC FREE HEMP oil get back to your life with CBD medic available online and at CBS these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease weeks. Were pretty tough. I mean I worked hard and and you know I still have nightmares or sometimes about those making that transition well. You made it very well as a running back but let me ask you a little bit about Ivy League football because it is a little little bit different no scholarships there and you adjusted to very very well. How would you sum up the caliber of football and the way football is played both when you were playing lying even today Calvin in the Ivy League well I think when when I was there we actually at one point I think we're ranked in the top twenty in the country? I mean we I mean Yale was was you know we played you know it was an insular situation we played you know the Ivy League and and then we play you know two or three games outside the Ivy League but we have pretty good players must have gathered on my freshman team. I'd say you know we twenty guys perhaps who had offers from what they would call one one AA programs but chose to go to the Ivy League you know Brian The quarterback that referred to was heavily recruited by Ohio state in fact on his recruiting that you know he he played golf with Jack Nicklaus and Woody Hayes and they were really trying to impress him to go to our state. We had players who had offer some Syracuse and Notre Dame and and various schools like that so it wasn't you know it wasn't certainly you. USC UCLA Michigan but you know the caliber was pretty good. ten years about ten years after I left they made a decision to go one AA and I think you know the football has it's probably not as you know it's not as a it's not the same caliber that was back when I was playing but you know they did that because I think they didn't want to get into the arms arms race etc fun I mean it was very competitive. we practice we practice heart it was it was physical and we did that and you could a a pretty serious academic load and then because most most of the students if you were on any sort of financial aid you know you're expected not only to contribute from your summer job but you were expected to have what they called the bursary job and so I worked for four years initially bussing tables at an in the freshman dining hall and then then I got a job in the audiovisual department so but it was it was great. I mean I enjoyed it. I it was wonderful experience. you know we had guys who paid their own way. We had some guys that were on partial scholarship some guys on on on on full scholarships although they still had to work and they had to contribute something and you know we all drive in that environment with the love of the gate did the education of Yale and the Ivy League negates ignorance that existed at that time I mean when you were playing this. This country wasn't as enlightened as it probably is today but I'm. I'm just wondering that even at Yale did you did you not have to deal with any any ignorance and even when you played other teams that they weren't the what you might find elsewhere elsewhere well. No I don't I don't I don't I never got a sense that no no there was none of that we yeah I mean it was very traditional. Tradition based Gr- going back years and years and you know you didn't have and didn't have any of that. You know I guess based on on race or anything like that well. The reason why I say that Calvin is that Jim Brown is a friend of mine. I and I used to talk to him about what it was like Syracuse when he was playing up there and he's told me some really things that were terrible when he was playing up at Syracuse so I know it existed just at that time it was funny I mean yeah was a it was a pretty progressive place. and you know to be sure yeah you know. I didn't feel that over. I mean there were people from different parts of the country who you could tell were you know perhaps it's not as progressive as you were and and I tell this story I played baseball and and high school in fact baseball with my first sport as a kid growing up and I didn't play baseball at Yale primarily because every spring they had a southern trip and you know this is a nineteen sixty five and I wasn't interested in taking a trip blow to Mason Dixon and you know and also tell people when I tell l. it to some of the players that I meet you know with the Dallas cowboys and other professional teams you know when I was coming out you know I wasn't recruited by anybody. NACIC or the SEC or any school south of the Mason Dixon what the exception Davison I was recruited as the basketball player by that's interesting. I've known lefty for a long time and I can understand why he would do that. He was very colorblind was very accepting of people across across the board. You had a fraternity brother. That was pretty famous. Why didn't you had quite a few George W and you know he and I were a in a paternity at Yale together you took being running back kind of naturally I've watched some film of you both in the NFL and even when you were at Yale what that you liked about being a running back you know I it's I think the biggest thing I I enjoy it? as a football player was just being apart of something. You know you know I mean the worst thing is you know when you're on the sidelines and you're not playing and you know I mean obviously as a running back you got a chance to touch the ball and you got a chance to catch passes in school touchdowns and you know it was somewhat of a glamour position. I suppose after quarterback interestingly enough. I was telling somebody the other day looking at you know the way money back valued in the national football league. I think if I were coming out now I tell him I'd want to do anything except play running back. You were getting ready to make a decision when you got out of college and that was you had an opportunity to play in the national football league. Did you ever consider consider going into business. Like most of your peers did well not not really you know I thought about going into business. my my sophomore and junior year and as a matter of fact I was at a banquet in New York City at the Waldorf Astoria for the national football hall of fame I guess it was nineteen sixty seven and I was at a table with with Hey Greenberg who was the father of one of one one of the members of my team and he asked me what I was GonNa do. I told him I was thinking about going into business school and he said don't go to business school out teach you everything you need to know all about business but as it turned out you know by the end of my junior year and most of my senior year my goal was the go-to divinity school I was very much influenced by the chaplain at Yale was the dynamic and a wonderful man named William Sloane coffin often and you know I I wanted to be like William Sloane coffin and so my goal was to to go to divinity of Energy School and you know it's interesting today I was drafted I called reverend coffin and told him I've been drafted and it thought I'd been drafted into the net into the armed services because of the shock to both of us that I was drafted. We only have thirty seconds left. were you prepared to go into the national football league. What did you know about them about the national football that may be prepared you well the only the things I played football and you know I started getting letters from various teams and they were telling me they would draft me? They had an opportunity and some teams have coming in and JAP and timing me etc but you know I was hoping that maybe I'd get a chance to at least spend summer and make some money so I'd I've had enough money to see me through. Maybe two years divinity school hold on just a second Calvin Hill has joined us. We'll talk about that drafting. He was drafted in the first round of the sixty nine draft draft by the Dallas cowboys we continue with more of you and America's sports talk show and here's Today's VR tips riding outdoor recreational vehicles it can be fun. These safety tips can help make your outdoor experience safe and enjoyable enrolling or motorcycle. 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You're taking in the first round of the sixty sixty nine draft by the Dallas cowboys were the first player from an Ivy League school to be drafted in the first round and it was a controversial pick and I assume that it was because because they didn't feel that Yale playing the Ivy League played up against the talent of some of the other schools we talked about a little bit earlier yeah according to you know what I what I subsequently learned that they put all the stuff in the computer your test scores and your physical fitness times etc and it and it spun me out and I was like third or fourth you know a- ranked meets three to four and then it was adjusted by by the coaching staff and you know I was there you know when when when the cowboys I think it was the twenty fourth choice I was available and you know it's interesting. I've told this story I had called. It's not like it is today where the draft is is is televised and you know exactly you can watch it on TV or who it on the radio back then you know you it was it was done pretty much obscurity and they were just notified the press excetera and I had called a team mate of mine to tell him that he had been drafted by the New York football giants in the second row and I pretended to be Wellington Mirror and and I could hear him tell his teammates his roommates is the giants and you know I went on and on about how excited we were to have them etc and you know just when I could hear him. No you know loop and everybody nobody was getting excited. I started laughing and told him it was a joke and then I locked my door because he was a pretty big guy and you know and then and I don't know about an hour later I got the call from from from the cowboys and I pretty much thought it was somebody playing the same kind of joke on me and as it turned out you know it was Gillibrand and I think then he put Tex Schramm on the phone and I'm playing alone and then you know they put coach Landry on the phone and it was something unmistakable about his voice I guess I had heard it on TV and and all of a sudden I realized this could be the real deal and it was only when I got a phone call from the sports reporter for for the new haven register that I realized it was a real deal and it was you know it was a shock it was really shocked to me. Calvin you mentioned when we were talking about playing baseball jail that she had no desire to go south of the Mason Dixon Line and last time. I looked Dallas south of the Mason Dixon line. Did you have any hesitation. He shouldn't for those reasons as well that really I mean you know I. I guess I consider Texas as being more west. I didn't realize you know and it is I mean it's much south as it is West but you know in my mind it was more West than anything and I didn't know what you know. I never been west the alleghenies so I wasn't you know necessarily no I had no knowledge or no no preconceived notions of what to expect. I guess when you know when I flew out there two things one I thought I'd see a lot of the cowboy boots and I thought you know Sagebrush and all that and and it was a little different from the APOCRYPHA was a little different than what I expected because you know it didn't look like West Texas. didn't look look like Texas of the movies etcetera and then you know this is only six years after President Kennedy had been assassinated so that was also in my mind this is the place that you know President Kennedy was assassinated and that was still very fresh. and you know it was still fill us very much a shock that that could happen in this country and so those are the things that I was concerned about in terms of moving and then you know obviously you know I was going to a team that had Bob Hayes and Mel Renfro and Don Meredith Etcetera and so that was a little sobering Aubrey. thought that I was going to be playing with these guys that I've seen on television. Let me ask you about the organization and the team because I think most people think back to that period of time if they've read North Dallas forty that they probably got a different impression and Tom Landry. I got to know pretty well over over the years he was a very strict guy was a religious guy as well and I'm just wondering the organization the way it was portrayed in the way it was actually was for a player. You're who played in the organization. What are the pros and cons what were the myths and the realities well? You know it was very corporate. I mean you know I I think you know they elevated. Is it you know to to corporate level and they did things in a very business like you know way. Hey and make decisions very you know I mean in some respects she the way it was portrayed was was was was was very correct. Although although you know I I think you know one of the people that I really you know really came to like and respect and I think he has been portrayed a very wrongly by a lot of people what's Gillibrand Gillibrand was a genius is a genius and personnel personnel genius and that was a very human quality about him. at Tom Landry was brilliant as a as a football coach as XS is in those coach you know I don't know if he was shy but you know he could also he you know he could he could also be very you know sort of cold. TEX TEX SCHRAMM was very business oriented and very tough extremely tough but you know obviously a genius in his own right when you you think in terms of the things that he did you know and helping them make the cowboys America's team cheerleaders the helmets etc era and then we were owned by a Guy Clint Murchison who you know I mean he's like the forgotten man he was the initial owner and he left he left after football people alone. you know hired the best people and let them do their job but I think you know when you look in terms of this whole stadium a phenomenon and boxes etcetera and the way these stadiums financed now he was the first person I've really come up with that concept at Texas Stadium India. Let me take you to January Sixteenth Nineteen seventy-two the site is New Orleans for the Super Bowl and the cowboys pick up their first super bowl victory by beating the dolphins twenty twenty four to three and this was the second Super Bowl for the Dallas cowboys their second appearance and they really had come into that game had they not with a reputation and not being being able to win the big playoff game such as super bowl number five and and the nineteen sixty six and sixty seven. Nfl Championship Games was that a stigma that the team had had the organization had going into that super bowl yeah I I would even say one of the reasons. Danny Dan retired is because you know he you know he he just got ah overwhelmed by by that stigma. You know we always next year's champions. in fact one of the Writers Steve Perkins wrote a book called us with next year's champions and we just could not get over the Hump and so you know I it was it was a relief I think because finally only we had one the big one and you know it was it was a really exciting time. I mean you know to see I mean yeah to see coach to coach Landry who was so instrumental in so many of the innovations of the of the Martin Professional Professional Game Now finally get his due as the winning super bowl coach and you know I played on a team I mean people don't realize what played played Miami and they had I think five or six future pro bowlers hall of Famer on their offense they had you know you know Brian Greasy to hit Paul Warfield Larry's Donka they had learned little I'm trying to think of this center. I think is is in the hall of fame and we you know we stop stop them. They got three points and we dominated that game almost from the beginning and you know it was yes those ten seconds when they start counting down before the final gun goes off and you know as a team that you know uh you are you going to be the winner. Let me let me ask you about a couple of other players just briefly because I do want to talk about the redskins and also Cleveland even here but let me what are your memories of Roger Starbuck and Bob Hayes well. you know Roger Rogers the kind of guy that if he we're after you a job it'd be difficult to sleep because you know he's he would stay up all night. If it had to trying to figure out how to get your job very competitive guy competitive person as anybody I've ever met you know you hear stories about Michael Jordan and you know Roger has that same level of a competitiveness a great team mate you know he was just a sensational teammate and I mean he's he and his family a friend of mine to this day. you know Bob Hayes was just a a freak of nature her I mean he I mean even today when we talk about Him we talk about this is incredible speed and you know the things he was able to do because of that speed sometimes you'd watch him catch a pass and take two or three steps and then he was just explode and you don't think that the film had been spliced Bob was a very easy going guy sort of a happy go lucky guy. you know Roger was much more serious but both of them yeah I mean I I I was very fortunate to to to to to a play on a team with both of them in relative to the fact that I was able to do that after one year in the WFL you come back into into the national football league. He signed as a free agent with the Washington Redskins. Now you have played for coach Tom Landry and now of course you have George Allen as your coach. What what was the dichotomy between the two? What were the similarities between the two Calvin well the similarities that both of them were great defensive coaches? you know a a I mean they. They started out a great defense coach. I think George you know whereas you know. Coach manager was also very involved in the offense leading a multiple offense George one of the very simplistic offense your the thing that really stood out as far as you know George Allen was his understanding of the importance of special teams prior to coming through the redskins special teams but something you played until you could get off of them. George had guys who did nothing but play special teams and that's all they wanted to do. He likened the special teams to Marine Corps where they would establish field position a you know and then it was up to the offense the defense to make sure oh you didn't lose that field position and you know both of them were you know had incredible attention to detail and you know I I mean you know obviously both are in the hall of fame. They they were different in some respects but in terms of their attention to detail they very similar was the biggest difference between in the two one was a master motivator. I mean George Allen and all the things he would say halftime speeches and pregame speeches and and as you've already said coach Landry was a a little bit on the quiet side well the thing that coach Landry you know Napoleon said you can motivate through fear or inspiration. Some people would say you can also motivate debate with money. you know I mean there was a certain amount of fear. you know what's called to Andrew because you know he he could really get into you on those those Monday meetings film sessions but also you know you were inspired because I never felt that you know going into a game that I wasn't you know better prepared not only physically but mentally that was you know he made you feel and understand you. You know that you were you had a superior system and so you went in with a feeling that you were better prepared. You understood what you were going to do. You're going to do it better than than than the other team. The thing that George did Georgia's a great motivator I mean you know emotion a motivator and you know he used a lot of tricks to to get guys up the one thing that you know George was is I I remember one year. He released to veterans and you know the captains went to him and tell him you know you can't do that to these guys these these guys loyal risk it enjoys came in apologize to the team and sit and listen. I'll figure out a way to get them back and I'm not sure how he did it because he didn't cut anybody could bring them back but you know you just felt like if you gave your heart and soul to him you know he he he was always going to you know gave his heart and so two view Calvin. I've gotta I've gotta run along but this has been fascinating you come back and join me again to yeah. This has been very insightful and I think a wonderful part heart of a football history being the first athlete coming out of the Ivy League to make it into the national football league to be drafted Calvin. Thank you very much. You're welcome here anytime okay. Okay well. You have a good day Calvin Hill with US former. 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We're going to kick things off talking with Seth Davis. If you're a basketball fan than you certainly know that name he is not only the senior writer at sports illustrated he's also College Basketball Studio Studio analyst for CBS Sports Network and he's a New York Times bestselling author and his latest book is called wooden coaches life. It's the definitive biography Goofy of Ucla coaching legend John Wooden and I can tell you over the years that I've been doing sports byline since one thousand nine hundred eighty eight one of the joys I've had and I did it. Many times is to interview the late John Wooden. He was a man that he almost made one hundred years old. He was ninety nine years old but he was a man that every time time I talked to him no matter what the age was he was vibrant he was clued in and he made so much sense. We'll talk to Seth Davis about his book called wooden a coach coach life and then right after that randy drew's and will be here. 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Did you ever expect that it would be this type of project. Yeah what you should see it before I cut it. You know it's funny. Some six hundred pages you know first of all the last eighty you're so our notes and index so it's really more like five hundred twenty five pages ages. I think is what the text comes down to but if you think about it you know the guy lives a hundred years so it's basically five and a half pages per years so yeah I absolutely really antiquated that. This was going to be a big project. It took me more than four years to complete it. a lot of research a lot of interviews and then you know the the hard work of in writing and cutting and editing and refining and I'm very pleased with with the end result I mean I feel very confident telling you and your listeners. This is the comprehensive definitive tentative biography of this man's life. I know my other writing friends. I always asked them. I said did you have any idea about what this book would be like at the the end of it and what is it that might have surprised you about what you found out so I'll put that to you as well set by the time I really got into it. I had multiple experiences France's with John Wooden before I even began writing the book and for all of my interviews with him I would read up on him and do my research and I really sense early on in those experiences that there was a lot more to this guy than had been presented in the past. You know all of these wonderful books on John Wooden. You know they were they were all aw sort of written by him or with him or for him but very few books about him. I wanted to look for a book like this and and it just didn't existed I was Kinda surprised that nobody had thought to do this and you know I just don't like he'd been presented as two dimensional character and I felt very determined determined to write about that third dimension which is not to say that it's any kind of take down by any stretch but you know it is definitely presentation of a man in in full I mean he we think of as sweet old guy reading poetry and his Dan but you know you don't win ten national champions by being sweet he was tough. He was an extreme competitor. he was a borderline abusive of referees had a very bad reputation with respect to his treatment of referees and and was not emotionally available to his players kind of distant to his players in a way that I think we'll surprise people and then of course you have the specter of Sam Gilbert who was a longtime. UCLA booster who lavish favours on on wooden players which were a blatant violation of NCAA the rules are a long period of time and NCAA eventually hammered Ucla for same Gilbert's involvement but until well after John Wooden had retired so you know it's much more complicated story than the one that had been told in so many of the books and stories and interviews that we've seen about John Wooden and and again. It's not any kind takedown I it's just a balanced portrait of an extraordinary mandate stored in your life. Yeah I agree with you. Seth and I think that's what gives this book such great credibility because he wasn't a perfect McMahon. I know as a broadcaster on the West Coast I did certainly the University of Washington Games against. Ucla and I know how he was and I remember my encounters with him as well he did would have is blind spots and inconsistencies as you point out on this book but I have always found over the years and talking to athletes and also a great people in sports that is there really a product of where they began and in this particular case with John Wooden it was back in the mid west and a tiny town of Centerton Indiana. How much of that really form I'm to John Wooden as the person he was well like all of us were shape fire very early experiences and that's something that the biographer understands understands going in which is why it's so important to report out those early years as much detail as possible which was a challenge of course because John I wouldn't live to be one hundred years old and and then he passed on so it's not like it's you can go out and interview all of his neighbors you know but you know the those years growing up on the farm in Indiana where he he formed his philosophy of life that eventually became his philosophy of teaching and coaching as handed down by his father hugh who you know imparted to his children that you know you're you're no better than anybody but you're just as good as anybody and you should put your effort into the things in life that you can control and try not to worry so much about the things so you cannot control and always just try to do your best you know when you're a basketball coach you can lose a game by twenty points but maybe you've maximized your potential in that mind in that game and and wouldn't mind that was the definition of success? It was a peace of mind that you felt because you know now that you maximize your potential another game you might win by twenty but you didn't maximize potential therefore you should not be feeling peace of mind so you know those were all principles that he learned a on the on the farm and you know you can imagine what it was like for this conservative Miss Midwesterner to go out to Hollywood California and coach for a long time and then coach in the midst of great social change in the civil rights movement and you know the Vietnam War and and what would like like to coach Young African Americans at a time of black nationalism and all that so you know he didn't always make the right decisions. He didn't always handle it well but he did his best and I think that's the highest compliment you can him because that's the highest compliment that he could pay somebody else. He did his best. Here's playing philosophy in his early. Years was UPTEMPO. I don't think there's any doubt doubt about it. He was coaching at Indiana State and earned him the moniker of hurry and Sycamore Zest. What brought that about was just changing? The game itself wanted to bring it up tempo impo well. I'm not sure he he said that the change the game but he he wanted to that that was the style of play that he was taught by his college. Coach name Piggy Lambert it was a very small guy wouldn't was pretty small and self for a player and a great player in his own right and all American hip Redu who learned piggy Lambert I mean Imagine Imagine Coaching College Basketball in the early nineteen thirties and what that was like first of all quite obviously there were no blacks and second of all you know the rules at the time mandated that after every remade basket the teams returned to the mid court circle for jump ball that was how James Naismith envision things of like football yeah you have to kick off and then you have a touchdown down in that would be followed by a kickoff so piggy lambert was the father of the modern fast break he played an uptempo style and his whole philosophy was is you know it's our job what can we control being in good physical condition if we're in better condition than our opponents and we get them to play our style and and get them run when they prefer to play slow then the last few minutes of a game when the Games are decided where they're gonNA be tired and we're not and that was what John Wooden brought to. UCLA CLA on the West Coast at a time that you know Henry Aiba was the most successful coach in college basketball and he took a very slow tempo man-to-man hold the ball no shot clock and John Wooden came out there and put the fast break in and took them some time for him to really get the personnel in place that could excel with that kind of playing style but that that was definitely he was kind of Rick Pitino many years before Rick Pitino at Ucla. How did they get him out of the Midwest? Well you know it's actually one of those questions that that I was never quite able to piece together it was totally illogical but he was at Indiana state and he was starting to He'd had some early success there almost won a national championship at the NATO Ib Tournament and Kansas City which is a story in its own right because he had the first black to come to that tournament but he he felt like he needed to get out of there and and he was wearing a couple of different offers and he actually had an offer to go to the University of Minnesota and it was held up because he wanted to take assistant and they wanted to use the current coaches assisted so the the athletic needed to clear with the board of trustees and John Wooden was waiting on the phone call and unbeknownst to hand it was even though it was April there was a snowstorm in Minnesota that knock the phones out so he did not get the the call that he was expecting the time that it was supposed to come so then when UCLA call yesterday ucla and a few hours later Minnesota called the phones were knocked out but we want you take the job. Everything is fine and he said I can't take the job I already said yes to. UCLA so but for the two happenstance David snowstorm we could be talking about the wizard Minneapolis. We only have a minute before we have to break. Here's seth but I'm just wondering what was his comfort level with Hollywood and the west coast just after being a guy that lived most of his life up until that time certainly in the mid west with those type of ideals well he was never totally comfortable with that and certainly never joined the Hollywood crowd I mean he he was always one of one of the broad themes. The book is that you know even with all the adaptations that he undertook to to you know to change with the changing times he was remarkably consistent man. I mean he never truly change from that young boy on the Indiana farm so oh like he was not willing to take in the Hollywood said he was a family man very quiet time with his kids and his wife and you know that was that certainly never seen south. 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Ucla he was successful immediately and that was not the case no in fact he won his first NC championship airing sixteenth year Ucla in fact it took him fourteen years here's to win his first game in the Ncaa Tournament First Game Tournament you think Steve Alford is GonNa make it fourteen years at Ucla without winning a single game in the NCAA tournament tournament and you know I a number of things happened. you know he certainly became a better coach over time he was a lifelong learner who believed in lived the the idea that you get a little bit better every day but you know what happened even more obviously as he got better players and it began with Walt hazzard was the with a terrific point guard from Philadelphia healthy and later joined by Gail Goodrich local kid whose dad went to USC but was never recruited himself to go to USC and they formed what became one of the great backwards and in college basketball history but you know to to wooden detractors and his his rivals particularly people from the cow family who revered revered Pete Newell. They'll be very quick to remind you that in pianolas last couple of years at how he won his last eight games over John Wooden before newell it Kinda burned out and had to get out of coaching so you know John Wooden got better towards the end of his career and really at the very end you know his last team in nineteen seventy ninety five was arguably his least talented team of all of his national championship teams so he he was very much on top of his game but it was the pressure and the difficulties of life of this world that he created this month so that he created had really devoured him. You know we had health issues. He had a heart attack he was. It's very thin-skinned when it came to criticism and he got a lot of it he had a lot of tension with the press because he kept his players and his Locker Room off-limits into actually had to pass a rule for the NCAA tournament eh the coaches were required to let people into their locker room because of of John's wooden refusal to do so he was dealing with a lot there was a booster her at Ucla named Sam Gilbert who lavish many favors on wooden players in in direct and blatant violation of NCAA rules. wouldn't may not have had full knowledge of this but he certainly knew enough to know that he didn't WanNa know more and that story is discussed absolutely in full in the book and in context so you know he was a great man and a great coach but he was not a perfect man. I need to not live a perfect life and I really felt like you know it's biographers mission not to look good good guys and bad guys and you know build someone up or tear somebody down but just to present the truth because life is complicated and John Wooden life was no exception. I I remember the first time I had a chance to meet him. I was covering the NCWA championships in Los Angeles and of course they were in the final four and after a game in which they moved into the championship game. I ran into him in the hallway and he was looking at the stat sheet and I asked him I said the what bothers you. The most about what you're looking at he said Ron he said turnovers in over and basketballer as bad as walks in baseball he was he a perfectionist. That's a great question. I don't know if I would describe him as a perfectionist but but he did have compulsions he was a compulsive individual he was not a perfectionist in the sense that you know his philosophy again. He got this from his college coach Piggy Lambert. was that the team that usually makes the most mistakes wins. He wanted his players playing free he thought it was his job to prepare them during practice and then it was their job to apply what they learned from him during Games and not look over at him he did not believe in calling timeouts so in that sense he was not a perfectionist but he was a driver and he was a very very detail oriented professional teacher and coach so a lot of respects. It was very challenging challenging the the play for him because again his idea was if we're in better shape than the other team than and we're GONNA win in the end you know I think it also made it difficult because it was not emotionally connected his players. He was not emotionally available to his players. He was not a touchy feely kind of a guy he was a conservative mid Western guy who who was raised in an environment where you didn't say how you felt you tried to show it through your actions and towards the end of his career he was coaching a different kind of student athlete who really needed more from him in that emotional space and it wasn't until well after he retired he was able to give it to them because many of his players frankly left Westwood with very mixed feelings ambivalent feelings toward John Wood and even outright resentment toward him oftentimes because they didn't play and he didn't care to explain to them why they weren't playing cater to their feelings feelings about not playing and he just never felt that was a part of his job. So you know playing for John. Wooden was definitely a challenge was hard driver. He was in control but at the end of the day he we gave players the freedom to to play the game and and and make mistakes is part of the game you know one of the things that I found fascinating about the book in the run for championship chips. One of the early pillars of that success certainly was lew alcindor that was when he was called at that particular time but wouldn't really was ambivalent about scouting him. What was his thinking his thinking was that well he didn't Scott Alcindor he never saw alcindor play until syndergaard to UCLA and he really didn't recruit crew out Zander's much as Alexander recruited him Alexander wasn't hammered with Ucla in their success and their style of play but also enamored with his Hollywood packaged? I idea of life in California's land of Sun and pretty girls and racial comedy and then he got out to la realize it's still part of the United States of America. There's plenty of races there as well so that was a very now three thousand miles from home so that was a very very difficult transition for him and for wooden it wouldn't have already won two titles by the time L. Center got there wouldn't did not want well senator to come to Ucla he knew quite well and Cinder got there. The expectation would be that Ucla won three national championships or it would be considered not to be successful so you know and that's a very broad theme of the the book because you know really if you look at the the full picture of Dawood's life those twelve years when he was winning national championships were in many ways the most unhappy years of his life because you know like I said he was very thin-skinned when it came to criticism is very sensitive to expectations. He had a lot of insecurities. A lot of great achievers are driven by insecurity is the guy who came out of the Great Depression so he he grew grew up with the understanding that you know whatever you've achieved is very ephemeral and so it was it was obviously lew alcindor was a great player. I think was the best player who ever played but it was definitely a mixed bag back to have that guy in your programs of all the players he had was bill Walton the one that challenged him the most because I know he had a rule of not mistaken that first year players could not talk to the media. He wouldn't allow them to talk to the media. was he a challenge for him. Oh go on with the challenge on a lot of fronts. it was actually Bill Walton's decision not to talk with the media bill very serious speech impediment Right which he did not really cure until well after he was through playing. It's kind of ironic because because we see bill well well well. Now's the guy who just won't shut up all those years of not being able to talk. I think maybe it got the bottle up with them but I I tell you this when it came time to practice basketball and play Games Bill Walton a direct quote from from John Wooden as Bill Walton was perfect. I mean he was a he was truly eighteen player. He didn't want attention. He was always uncomfortable. Getting individual attention a team sport he was maybe the best passing being big man who ever lived he loved to pass he loved it when he was an extroverted guy and incredible energy incredible spirit and he was enormously gifted and he loved to play and practice hard love to win and he jotted wouldn't we're very much paddock. Oh but you know off the court he certainly caused Jodoin a lot of concern because because he was very active in the counterculture and the antiwar movement and you know John Wooden respected his views but he didn't like it when those activities infringed on his audits basketball program and they often did we have a couple of minutes left but when I would be doing the games up in Seattle against the University of Washington with UCLA I'd be down close just the floor and sitting right behind the UCLA bench would be Nellie and you could just kind of read her during the course of the game and everything and they had a very special strong relationship. Tell me a little bit about it well. It's a great American love story. They met in high school high school sweethearts. They took a vow of chastity when when he went to purdue and he came home and they got married and they were they were very different I mean John Wooden was a was a scotch Protestant and very introverted kind of himself right non-confrontational outside of an athletic realm and now Nellie Riley was a full-blooded Irish Catholic athlete Red Blooded Irish Catholic who was very confrontational very protective of her johnny if anybody's spoke critically of in she would let them have it and and really that would be the end of the friendship she was wired very very very high works actually used to carry smelling salts in her pocket during games because she would lily pass out during games and have to revive yourself with smelling salts unfortunately she was a lifelong smoker and eventually she developed emphysema which led to a host of illnesses and she passed away in one thousand nine hundred eighty four and was very very devastating for him. There was a lot of fear amongst his family and friends that he would if not outright take his own life conductors life in a way that would ensure you know quick demise so you know it was beautiful love story and they were best friends and you know he always said at the he had that he didn't fear death because when death came he would be going home to his Nellie and that's where he went in about thirty seconds. What do you want readers to take away from this book seth? I want them to know that this is the truth. This is the man how he really was and how really lived life is complicated. John Wooden was complicated. Life is not always easy. Even the greatest achievers have their struggles but in the end I think you know going back to the original point of this conversation. You know I think we can say that. He did his best. he was an extraordinary man he lived in extraordinary life and I think we can learn a lot by really delving into the truth of his life life and all of its glory and all of its colors and all of its shades the lights the darts and everything in between so it's all there presented in full and it was just a wonderful project for me to dive into for or plus years and I gave it everything I got. An APP belongs to the world. Thanks a lot take care seth okay. Thanks very much have me appreciated it. Seth Davis wooden coaches life the name of the book we continue on America's sports talk show and here's Today's VR safety tips riding outdoor recreational. You know vehicles can be fun. These safety tips can help make your outdoor experience safe and enjoyable enroll motorcycle. 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I know you're Canadian but tell me a little bit about your love and interest in hockey at an early age or I became interested in hockey when I used to watch hockey night in Canada with with my babysitter and after a few years of that I sort of started talking my parents and finally they agreed to let me play and I've been playing ever since watching watching ever since so it's been a long long love affair with hockey told me the argument used on your parents to drop out of figure skating and takes narrow sake yeah well. You know it's funny because I used to take figure skating every Saturday and I remember very clearly coming off the drinking hot chocolate waiting for my dad picked yeah and I would watch the boy go on the ice and play hockey and I just thought why do they get to have all the while. I have to skate in circles so you know just indignant indignant and I have refused to go back on the ice until I was wearing a pair of hockey skates randy. What type of criteria did you use in picking the goalies to look at here? Well actually the criteria like area which I think a Lotta people misunderstand. It's not just great goalies because there are a Lotta great goalies who are not interesting off the ice so it my criteria was was great goalie. You know a lot of awards only cups Fezzan a trophies but also someone who's a compelling character interesting personality someone that will be interesting search and interesting to write about you know when I take a look at the list of the goal. Is You have here. I've interviewed a couple of them and I can see why you would be interested in them. Is there anything the thing that surprised you about the group as a whole yeah. The one thing that did surprise me was how thoughtful they were in terms of analyzing the game understanding the game seeing the game. I think goalies really understand it in a way that other players don't and it makes sense. If you think of the call he's experience of a hockey again. He spent quite a bit of it and one end of the ice observing watching so it makes sense that he would have a better understanding of his teammates. I I agree with you. That's what I found is well. I found them to be like a catcher in baseball. They're the ones that surveying the whole field of play and I think goalies do the same thing they're more or mentally oriented are they not because most players hockey players by position usually are interested in only what they do in that position while the goalie is interested in everything that happens on the ice. Oh yeah absolutely the golden reel a really good goalie. It's a student of the game which is by the book you'll see Jackpot. He actually kept a notebook and he kept detailed notes. On every the shooter he faced the dimensions of of the rain. you know the lighting like it was a very involved area of study for Jacques Pond and if you speak about Patrick I just want or Glenn Hall they also could tell you you know they can count weeks or months. Sometimes years later. Let's say who's on the ice when this goal scored and where was everyone else on the ice position at that time so sort of an encyclopedic knowledge of the game and other opponents. Who was the goalie that I wore a mask well? It was actually there's been some debate about. They say some people wore masks before the NHL really came came to be but I think as far as most people are concerned it was launched in nineteen fifty nine. He got hit in the face with the PUCK and he refused to go back on the ice unless he's coach eleven to where a math ask you given the options between him and an usher at the stadium. The coach decided to go with them. Wear the mask yeah. That's what I had heard as well and I knew you could confirm you know up in hockey hockey up in Canada is the national sport up there. How much pressure are goalies generally speaking under with the various franchises? You know I think goalies you're under pressure at all times because of the nature of their positions but as you get further into the playoffs you now they get become under a lot of scrutiny because as everyone will tell you there's no team that will go to Stanley talk with other great goalie and now you can see the talk leading up to the Olympics fix you know everyone's focusing on the various teams goal even how strong they maybe because that's really critical any team success so we've come under a lot of scrutiny the all the time but especially when you know when there's lots of states. Let's talk about some of these gullies. The very first chapter is Terry Sawchuk. I interviewed him one. One time and I know what you're talking about. The chapter is called the tortured soul explained that everybody about Terry he was a very very the difficult person I mean. He was a brilliant goalie but he was very difficult and he was he had a drinking problem. he had a womanizing problems. He was really disagreeable likes none of his teammates really liked him and there was cases where you know the same bars if you make the sitting at a completely different at the bar or a different part of the room and sometimes he would just walk out it altogether I mean he just wasn't a likable character and there's a lot of really horrible three about him but he was a brilliant Foley and no one will about that. I often wondered whether his anger is one of the things that fueled him to great success. I think so I think he just had a like an impressive angry the three which made him a ferocious competitor and that is exactly what you need to be when you're buying a net the dichotomy of course to him was the happy go lucky Bernie parent and he found himself on the right team with the flyers at the right time. I think do you agree. Oh Yeah. Absolutely it was lightning in a bottle. I mean you had Bernie went there and you had some other excellent excellent players. I mean the broad street bullies they have a reputation for being bullies and insert respect they were but they also had a really talented. The team is well and Bernie Pryde was a very gifted golden. They're very lucky to have him. What is that made him so good well? He actually was a protege. Doc Font did play together very briefly in Toronto and when he was there he asked shock onto some pointers and in fact he he listened so intensely that five six years later people were watching Bernie Front. They're saying wow. He looks like he's a bully. He's a stand up goalie who plays the angle Berkeley chapter you have. That's interesting is the joker Gump worsley explain that a little bit more gump. Worsley was one of those fun chapters right just because I was in stitches reading about a lot of his quotes his experiences he was someone who was shaped like cabbage like you really didn't have an athletic form in any way but somehow get the puck out of the net he kept his his teammates and and he was always breakthrough. Quote journalists absolutely we love him. one of the most famous clothes was when he played for the New York Rangers at that time the team was really horrible and I guess after a game where they were trounced launch media. Ask like which team gives you the most problems in the league. He says the New York Rangers so this is something that a lot of people remember underfund late in the day here. Let me think about. I thought it was funny when it says in the Book Ken Dryden is to goaltending what socrates is to philosophy and he really challenged you before he gave you the interview. Didn't he yeah you know I've been doing this for about twenty years and I've never had the experience had dried in where I almost had to audition addition for an interview like I spoke to on the phone twice. Maybe three times I think he wasn't sure about you know how serious I was about the subject and and what kind of job I would you on the book but I think I managed to convince them that you know the real deal and he gave me a lot of time and actually it the interview with great very very insightful drake thoughtful and not a single cliche which journalists always appreciate and you know in the end. I was really happy. I really happy with it. What is it that made him so good? driving was very very big man. I mean now. It's pretty common goal is to be you know sixteen extreme driving dryden six four and he really covered a huge part of the net he also like so many goalies had supreme confidence and he played on an excellent team sleep ever you know yeah the other chapter I saw that jumped out at me was the cock of the walk and you're talking about Patrick Trich Wa who is now coaching in the National Hockey League he. I don't know how to describe him. You know when I've talked to him. I'm not sure that he's connected when I'm talking to him but maybe he needs to know. The person is really interested in what he's saying. What is your read on him? I think you know with him. He of the honest like I wasn't able to land an interview with him. He's one of few goalies I contacted who refused to speak to me so the best I could do speak the people who had spoken to him and and just read up on and everything he'd ever said and everything you've ever done and he is the caucus walk he's very he's very cocky. some people have called him arrogant but you know he can put his money where his mouth and he backs it up he was a great great goaltender awfully the greatest ever depending the US and he's a great coach too use so he does have that way about him that arrogance but no one can deny them edible talent and why do you think he is that way I don't know you know you sometimes wonder it's excessive make someone that way or is that kind of personality that leads to success heart and say I think he's just always you know based on my research has always been a very confident hockey guy and he never went on the ice thinking anything except that he was the best which I found remarkable because you're a danger he got show and he's still woke up the next morning. He's the best in the world that kind of confidence that really put someone over the edge when you take a look at the different sprint errors I guess these goals that you have in the book played. How did the game and how did the position change over that period of time? Just the way that position the play dealt with completely is completely different than the way it started at one point. It was just a standup game like all these were actually discouraged dropping to their knees at any time hi for any reason and that started to change in the fifties with Glenn Hall who played for the Chicago Blackhawks he would drop to his knees than the needle lows and that I was getting at the butterfly style you know then Tony Esposito develop that further in the seventies and now if you watch every goal you see plays that style and it's called the active butterfly so he down on his knees all the time and he's any shifting Taivon that to the other so all the goals say the butterfly position at all times now now why is dominant Kasich the `Nigma because he's such a he's such an unusual character I mean great goalie but really Unorthodox Doc Style and very curiel in terms of his news I mean sometimes you catch him being really chatty and very easy to interact with and other times time sterling sullen withdrawn and some of the things he did not just in terms of his file but in terms of behavior. I don't have people scratching their heads you so I guess that's why I called the `Nigma and also to be honest. I was surprised when I interviewed him. We spend as much time talking about chess politics as we did talking about Hockey Hill that was something about him that surprising the last chapter you have in this book. It's about the cool customer which is Martin Brodeur and I remember when I when I I interviewed him the thing I said to him I said you're like the ever ready bunny you never you know you keep going and going and going and going and I think that that has been one of the things that's made him outstanding absolutely and if you actually speak to goalie coaches are other people observe the game closely you say why career had this longevity like what accounts for it and they'll say you know part of it is personality. I mean he loves the game. He's passionate about it. The other aspect is key plays a hybrid style and he plays the butterfly style style but also a standup style. It's sort of a cross between the two and for that reason there hasn't been quite as much wear hair on his joints as would have been if he was just simply a butterfly goalie so that's another that's another contributing factor. Do you have any favorite stories about all these men that you have in this book. Well you know what I I just thought that my interviewing experiences with them with quite memorable like minor Utah was really entertaining. I think I wrote the book about and how we were approached by. you know a couple at the bar who had been drinking quite a bit as she walked over to check in the man and woman they refunding with a camera but seemingly too drunk to operate and the man actually asked to play his weekend beer league was incredibly entertaining and Hodge responses right Ted Pan he said Oh no. I'm sorry I've retired you. Know Say oh I play with you on the weekends. If I you know we still active it does but you know that experience. There was my my attempt to get an interview with Adele for it was very interesting. I met him after a game in Toronto the legends of Hockey Game and he agreed to do the interview and then played phone tag with them for a while. I've played email tag with him for a while and then he gets disappeared so you know that was sort of an interesting experience and somehow he ended up being linked inference but you know that was another experience number and then every goalie I interviewed like from dried and being really intellectual and having great awful answers you go to Hush Act Belvoir and Brodeur being such a gentleman you know in the New Jersey devils locker in which is great so my memories are actually interacting with the men Dan. The goalie coach is also a great because it gave me some insight of had otherwise we only have fifteen seconds of you happy with the way the book came out Randy. Oh Yeah I love it. I really love it except not happy with my photo in the back but everything else great ready. I want to thank you for joining us here and talking about this wonderful wonderful book and if you're a hockey fan or a sports fan I want you to check it out. It's called between the pipes. A revealing look at hockey's legendary goalies and the author of this book is Randy drew's and Randy congratulations on the book. You're welcome here anytime. Come by and see us again. Thank you very much. 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He's talking about doing a run run for governor of New Hampshire and maybe even president perhaps in twenty twenty four so that could be fun for sure we've got but on the way here tonight Jeffrey Epstein still in the news even though he's been dead for like most of month at this point you've got a story he Chris coming up when I'm going to start with it but on the way about Richard Stolman now this is a guy who's pretty integral into what Lennox and UNIX free software yeah software software yeah. He's got some opinions apparently that have stirred it up on the Internet about Jeffrey Epstein Yeah and it's making headlines it's making headlines and the verge is vilifying him now. There's no question about how they're it's being twisted but nonetheless there's no question in my mind this is gonNA probably spread like wildfire fire from the verge to other publications is a world renowned computer science a person figure and mit thing has been going on and on and on and multiple people have already been sacked mit or quit over over the whole thing yeah. We haven't really been covering all those stories that have been coming out because you know who cares yeah I. I didn't know any being upset over someone accepting a donation. It's like Whoopi do didn't find the other stories interesting after you re personally. I knew a little what about it but you know it's it's just when things but then then you start seeing people you actually know like if somebody I would know and or I don't I don't I'm not I don't have like an you know a close relationship with them but I know him. I bet too many events yeah yeah. I mean he's he's. He's crashed on my couch at one point kidding. Yeah yeah so like like this is somebody I know. I have a good people I know him very well and and so it's just one of these things that it's like you start to get you start to see things and it's like well. You already know what his opinions are on. Certain things and you can see how people are being manipulated. You Begin to see how people are being manipulated in the media that you don't know more how they could be manipulated related and you're saying they're not representing him. Accurately mom sang yeah. They're twisting it into that coming up here. A little bit later on your calls and thoughts are welcome our toll free number's eight fifty five four four fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three in just the last couple of days. There's been some pretty big news out of California. which is it's not a free place? It is the forty-ninth least free of all of the fifty states only bested by New York state and there has been a lawsuit in California in recent years regarding ride sharing companies like Uber and lift and how they ostensibly treat. They're they're not employees but contractors. There's a certain segment of the people who drive for these ride sharing companies who who are mad about the fact that they don't get their you know healthcare coverage or they don't get whatever other benefits it is that you get as an employee right because if if you're an employee it's a different legal situation than if you're a contractor and employees for instance has certain hours that they're expected to show up to work. Doc employee is told you gotta be here Monday through Friday nine am to five pm or whatever the hours happened to be right. You're you work at a restaurant. You're doing the closing shift or your opening. There's not one thing that defines what a contractor or employee is but one or several things a number of things and you don't necessarily have to match any particular thing but what's interesting is one of the things is is a tool whether or not you bring you. You're using your own your own. You're basically using the tool of the company that you're working for and of course in the case of Uber and lift your a tool. Is Your own car right so there's a yeah you're right. There's a series of sort of qualifications like Oh. If you meet these things then you're probably tool as big as a car is definitely got to be leaning more towards a contractor than play right. It's a little different than a screwdriver right. It's like I if it's a matter of you know a screwdriver somebody bringing screwdriver. I mean you're basically just using that as an excuse to label him a contractor when they're not as opposed to if it's a car all of a sudden you know it's it's a pretty big buy yeah so there's been controversy out there and not just in in California but I believe also in the UK where these let's call them whiny. The entitled People Are Mad because they want more. You know eighty percent or seventy. Five percent of the rides of value value isn't enough because I know what it was because I was an uber driver for a short time until they kicked me out because somebody complained about me. Even though I had a five star are perfect rating some local haters centene complaints about me and got me banned from over but PR PR is ridiculous ridiculous nonsense but anyway I pay structure was because I was I worked for for them for a little while it was when I started eighty percent. They did cut cut it back to seventy five percent. Maybe seventy five now. Maybe they cut it further. I don't know but presuming it's still seventy five percent. I think they'd chain based on the marketplace. Maybe I'm wrong about that but anyway. It's the bulk the lion share the super majority of the the amount dollar amount of the ride. Whatever it costs goes to the person who is the driver and these people are just saying well? That's not enough. We want to be considered employees. We want health care benefits. We want a 401k. We want all these things that Oh yeah and we want to be able to decide when we come to work because that's one of the big deals with with Uber right is like you get to log on or lift you get to as the driver definitely a factor right you decide and this is one of those contracts are factors right when the contractor is deciding when they work versus the employees who does not decide when they work they are told when they show up. Yeah you know another factor is whether or not you are doing it. You know a contract will specify. I I project as opposed to hours. You might get paid by on an hourly basis but it's going to be from a set period one period to another periods at time or day to another set time and day and or it's going to be just the project. It doesn't matter how long it takes you to get it done so there's a few stories about what's going on in California where California legislators according to the New York Times have approved. They're calling a landmark bill that requires companies like Uber and lift to treat contract workers workers as employees a move that could reshape the GIG economy and that adds fuel to a year's long debate over whether the nature of work has become too insecure. The bill passed two thousand nine to eleven in the state Senate and we'll apply to APP based companies despite their efforts to negotiate an exemption on Wednesday morning the assembly gave its final approval fifty six to fifteen California's governor has endorsed the bill and is expected to sign it so it's likely going into law under the measure which would go into effect this January first workers must be designated as employees instead of contractors if a company exerts control over how they perform their tasks or if their work is part of a company's regular business now yeah. It's already been decided that it's not part of you know Uber's regular workday. They are a marketplace creator. They're not they don't drive. That's not what they do. Correct in effect. That's Uber's argument on a story over at VOX DOT DOT COM UBER and lift are gonNA weigh in and explain why then really care with this law is going to do. 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L. as we continue here with the news about Uber and lift left and other ride sharing companies going to be well at least the government goons in California would like you to believe that Uber and left are going to be affected by hi this new law that they're passing that apparently the governor is saying he intends to sign will go into effect January first and we'll we'll get into a little a bit more about what exactly is supposedly going to do uber and lifter basically saying whatever we don't think we're even under the new law uber lifter saying we still will not or our our people will not qualify as employees they will still be considered contractors and we'll get into why not as well Uber and lift have huge war your chest glowed to go to bat against government the people who are GonNa be harmed by this law are the small companies that don't don't have the war don't have the ability to enforce their right. That's a good point. There are other ride sharing companies out there and some of the larger markets like Austin and elsewhere. I think I've heard of God. You know things Pacific about ridesharing here. This changes the nature of employment. This is the this is targeted the the the so-called GIG economy door. Dash Uber eats anything where you're a contractor you're getting. You're you know you're taking your car. You're driving somewhere aware or there's also a GIG APP from what I understand that you can just have somebody come over and like put furniture together for you or your odd jobs some kind of top down that one that sounds cool. I forget what the any good in California but I'm not going to California exactly no no self respecting freedom lover should be so you know. There's there's different obviously a lot of opinions about this out there and of course the New York Times pro government newspaper as it is is heralding this is a major victory for unions and people and employees and all that well the workers will get much richer than richer as a result of this the reason is because because the victims of this will lose their jobs so they'll no longer be considered as workers and those are retained our jobs will be richer. You know what is in a sense. It's it's basically a credit card processor. It's it's a matchmaker is what is it your car but it's Ah effectively acting as a credit card processor and a you know an ebay sort of mar marketplace to connect drivers right right right well they and in the process of processing Samuelson customer service issues as well so if there's like a guy pukes in the back of your car if you're driving at night Geico pick up enough people eventually somebody's GonNa Ralf in the back of the car. I can attest to that having been a cabdriver yeah. There's like Uber will give you like a puke. Fee Fi yep if you take picture of the clean it up or all that so you get a little extra somebody you're yeah. I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING FOR CLEANING MY CAR. When I drove of cab right so let me give you a little more from the New York Times and then we'll get uber lifts response the problem with Uber because they won't hire pot smokers switches era? Just don't tell them go. They don't drug test well no but they do background. Saturday refused to hire me. I think they would hire a pot smoker. Maybe not a dealer okay felony. That's true that's true that may make a difference. The bill may influence other states says New York Times the coalition because this will always what happens when some new pro government pro status big government legislation passes somewhere on the other government goons are watching their. Let's try that here so New York. There's a coalition of labor groups pushing similar legislation in New York Washington State Oregon that were very similar to California's but didn't advance. It's now they may see renewed momentum New York City passed a minimum wage for ride hailing drivers last year but did not try to classify them as employees and I'm not sure sure how that's working out in New York City. I haven't heard any updates on that. It seems bizarre because when you're driving an uber you're doing in peace work not working by the way if you're just sitting in your car waiting for a run. You're not really work and you shouldn't get paid for that. You should not get paid for this. As you can. Sit You know getting to get in your car. You'd be doing other things to in theory make money. Maybe you do something on your phone your trading stocks or whatever I've always been under the impression that people will in fact work for multiple contracts Russians they work but contract for multiple companies at the same time that's right most of these guys have both and I see it. You'll see the stickers on their car. The little lights the Uber analyst Expr- my experience. I haven't used these services all that frequently but I I don't know if it was but something equivalent to that and I've also used I guess I don't know I don't know if it was specifically. Maybe you were one of the two or both maybe or something equivalent and what I what I realized is that they'll cancel your ride in some cases because they have multiple multiple different they're contracting essentially with multiple different companies so if one deal is is better than another deal they'll switch to that deal and you're Reichen ended up being cancelled so it'll end up going to the next higher which kind of delay you a little bit which they shouldn't do because because they will get punished if they do that. There's a disincentive. If you cancel too many rides Uber won't send you anymore right right and which also makes sense because if you're not doing a good job Bob and if you fall below a certain rating right you'll also get booted off right well. There's ways you can lose your Uber though for example what I was driving cab. I've been an Arbor Michigan two or three years ago we would get all of the students would lose leave for the airport at the same time and Ober would happily accept an infinite number of time orders but then when those time orders were supposed to go there weren't enough drivers to take AAC them so they'd have to cancel them which meant we are getting frantic calls from people who had scheduled there were six aw cannot schedule Uber all ride hailing in the moment they could at that time until maybe they've eliminated the right order naming exists and I don't know about it but I've used the APP multiple times and I've never seen I haven't used Uber to get to the airport but I have used super shell super shuttle has the same type of system even so it's a more traditional system where you call them up and you can schedule it and they just they were like we don't have we don't have we don't have the drivers and they cancelled it at the last minute wa I was I was it's like well. How do I get from united to our right? I think from from like a was but in California from one city to l. a. and it's just it's it's tough but you know what ultimately you give yourself enough time and you call a cab or you call some other competitor and and you know I got a ride and I was but it's like it's you know it's part of the it's part of the deal you know when you're using these types of services well. That's the part that's the thing that is so insulting about these Weiner's. I think that's the best word for these people that all this extra stuff. Well look you signed up for this. You knew what the deal was. When you signed up Gorden it was good enough for you at the time and now you're competing now? You're complaining about it. we'll talk more about this because they're saying this may affect janitors nail salon workers construction construction workers and even franchise owners is according to The New York Times. 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I think it was Argentina due to some kind of financial block by the government there I forget I forget what it was so there are definitely aware of it. It's great it see what they need rolling out yeah they should have yeah. Maybe it's common one who knows but for now they don't but your the roll it out in California now that the government's trying to block banded more places before they roll it out. I guess they tend to do is they'll. Just leave the market so a few years ago in Austin Texas the Austin city government was cracking down on Uber and lift and Uber and lift Bo said well. We'll just stop picking up people in Austin will drop them off so go out to round rock and the other surrounding communities pick up people bring them into word Howard what they want and so then what was the long term outcome of that they came back into the market after some amount of time I think the I think the government blinked on that one but I don't remember if you're in Austin would expect a huge outcry from people wanted the over right so you if you're in Austin and you know what happened there. It's been too long. It's been a couple of years. I don't remember exactly you can check it out. Look it up but also if you WANNA take bitcoin and crypto currency at your the business than just go to help me take bitcoin dot com I mean it is so easy to do Chris Reedmen our Thursday night co host told me somebody came into the bitcoin embassy here in keene which is where he works works and wanted to get started with bitcoin had never had crypto currency before and they downloaded edge wallet got him set up his own wallet and downloaded the any EPA APP and did it all in like he said under six minutes I found that hard to believe so like it was a quick amount of time a matter of moments and this person who'd never use bitcoin before was ready to accept it at his business so go to help me take bitcoin dot com the any pay APP is available for IOS and Android Roy devices and it'll allow you to easily accept multiple cryptos if you want like dashing bitcoin cash as well of course the original bitcoin Z. cash and others so assigning up a super easy. There's no paperwork. There's no ide- requirements or anything like that. It's helped me take bitcoin dot com and most importantly you keep one hundred percent of each sale unlike like credit cards where you'll lose every single time so it's helped me take bitcoin dot com get started there so California is now passing and basically he has passed. They're just waiting for the governor's signature. He said he's GonNa do it. Legislation that's supposedly going to reclassify many contractors as employees Jeez and this is a terrible terrible idea that is going to really for the worse. changed the face of business us because when you want to bring a contractor in there are some real good reasons to do that and contractors WANNA be contractors for real good reasons. It's and this is basically the California government gang coming in and saying well. We're just GONNA go ahead and upend every single business agreement you've ever had for you know. As long as you've been in business you know the their employees are victimizing are the contractors the contractors and the customers who have to pay more yeah. I mean certainly you certainly the yeah certainly I would say both are but especially but it's especially the contractors because it's a small business owners that they're the that these contractors small business owners effectively and now you're running their own business go and now you're telling them they can't run their business. They have to go and work for somebody else and that's what the course that the government wants. They want you to be independent. They want you to be reliant on assistant. They want you to be reliant on a Mega Corporation. They don't want you to be able to go out there and do your own thing hate that and so this they say here this may affect at least a million workers in California. They say many that now this again the editorializing here in the New York Times many people have been pushed into contractor status with no access to basic protections like minimum wage and unemployment insurance durance ride hailing drivers food delivery couriers janitors nail salon workers construction workers and franchise owners could now all be reclassified as implies around interview a bunch of inter- uber drivers and find out how many of them want a minimum wage job good question zero my I guess but the bill's passage which codifies and extends a two thousand Eighteen California's Supreme Court ruling threatens GIG economy companies like Uber and lift the ride hailing firms along along with at based services that offer food delivery home repairs dog walking services have built their businesses on inexpensive independent labour which of course as you pointed out nobody means at at that savings gets passed onto the customer Yep. It's inexpensive Labor that means the price is going to be lower than let's say make corporate competitor. There's another perspective on this. When the price goes up it's going to negatively impact demand most likely anyway in most cases so you're actually you're gonNA have you're actually going to have more people at work as a result more people out of work or spending more time sitting on stands but not making money why they don't have stands for Uber but I mean but they're just going to be sitting in their cars by the side of the road not making money when there isn't a call so Paul's is never unless talking about the environmental impact of that I mean the cars running on the side of the road and I just seriously like the amount of natives from this is just truly well? Atop Obama Labor Department official had this to say about it. He thinks it will quote have of major reverberations around the country. He argued the bill could set a new bar for worker. Protections force business owners to rethink their reliance on contractors actors another Bureaucrat Democrat from wherever in California today the so-called Gig companies present themselves as the innovative future of tomorrow zero a future where companies don't pay social security or Medicare. Oh God I hope so. She said let's be clear. There's nothing thing innovative about underpaying someone their labor. Let's be clear there's nothing charitable about putting people out of work right. You're for interfering in a contract. This was an agreement when you signed up to drive for Uber Left. There were terms of service service now. Whether you random or not is your fault but in those terms of service I guarantee you. It says you're a contractor and you agreed to that when you became a driver for one of these these organizations in this is the government just coming in and just upending all of these agreements well. We're in charge here and now we're we're just GONNA change your agreements after the fact and that's just that's a terrifying precedent for anybody that cares about the freedom to be able to do business in the way that they want to do now. Of course we know the government gang has been interfering in business forever. You know as long as they've existed so I guess we shouldn't be surprised about this. Well of course the people the New York York Times would like you to hear from ride hailing drivers hailed the bill's passage quote this is Rebecca Stack Martinez driver and organizer with the group GIG workers rising quote. I'm so proud of rideshare drivers who took time out of their lives to share their stories stand up speak to legislators and hope they take a moment basket of victory. Now I WANNA form an organization called my gorge rising super didn't immediately have a comments on Tuesday at laid off four hundred thirty five workers in its product and engineering teams the company's second round of cuts in recent months and by by the way uber is not exactly a profitable company from what I understand no. I don't think they've turned a profit yet. I've never turned a profit their their their loss leader. They're hoping that someday they'll turn a profit but California's looking to make sure they cease to exist before that happens lift said it was disappointed quote today our state's political critical leadership missed an important opportunity to support the overwhelming majority of rideshare drivers who wanNA thoughtful solution that balances flexibility with an earning standard and benefits whenever that means so it sounds like they're kind of positioning themselves as well. It's okay you can change our business model somewhat but we would like you to change it in these ways rather than the ways that will push out the smaller competitors as Hewitt's earlier so talk about Gig work. That's been in the spotlight like uber left endured ash in the United States and there's also other companies internationally that have grown into behemoths even as the contractors they relied on didn't receive the benefits or minimum pay guaranteed to employees. Many of the companies have worked assiduously to beat back efforts to classify their workers curses employee's settling class action lawsuits from drivers and securing exemptions rules that might have threatened the drivers freelancer status. Tell you more about what's going on here and what's going to happen you know Uber and lift or saying in a different story. 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There's in the state to employees even mentioning franchise owners and I can't even understand why they would say that like afoot and I this is something that I've heard about verbally but I don't really have references for it but I've been telling I've been hearing that they're trying into treat franchises franchise operators and their Franchisees as single corporation for things like attack so basically they would be eliminating the franchise serve was and all McDonald's restaurants would suddenly be treated as these companies stores so i. I don't know how real that is or how that is but that's what I was hearing yeah. Do I get a two hundred thousand dollars. Refund refund on the franchise fees paid to become a franchisee because I can't imagine how they could make those business arrangements work because you you know it's the Franchisee who not only decided this is going to be a McDonald's right but he decided how much money to put into it. How big it was is going to be a tribunal? The parking lot was going to be how nice the furnishings were going to. There's certain standards but above that yeah exactly that's the thing standards are minimum right so they talk about the tide is changing against these ridesharing and other GIG companies to federal proposals introduced in two two thousand eighteen or since two thousand eighteen if sought to redefine the way workers are classified to allow more of them to unionize those proposals have received support from various Democratic presidential chill candidates and in Britain Uber has appealed a decision by Labor tribunal that drivers must be classified as workers entitled to minimum wage and vacation while Oh yeah and it's like two weeks paid vacation in Britain so like if I work for Uber for like a week or something like that I should get two weeks solution two weeks per year so that's still good enough two weeks of paid vacation. Even though when you work for you can just sign out of the APP for two weeks the X. You can sign up for five months if you want and that's what you gain by being a contract ability. You know you can write. If when I was driving cab I was a contractor and if I felt like doing something else I parked my car and I went and did it. You know I didn't have to be at work. All I had to do was paid for the car for the hours that I had it uber and lift have repeatedly warned they will. I'll have to start scheduling drivers in advance if they become employees reducing drivers ability to work when and where they want and experts say there's nothing the bill that requires employees to work set shifts in the newborn lift are legally entitled to continue allowing drivers to make their own scheduling decisions but the thing is they can't do that that because you can't pay somebody fifteen dollars an hour ten dollars an hour whatever the minimum wages at a time when there's no business or at a time when business this is slow so they're going to have to limit the number of drivers at work at any given moment to what they they can pay. It's almost like you predicted the next paragraph here. It says in practice Uber lift might choose to limit the number of drivers who can work during slow hours or less busy market. What that also means is that there won't actually be enough a supply to meet the demand because when there's a demand yeah because when there's a sudden demand there aren't going to be people out there hoping against hope that there's an extra uber driver right right right and part of the the way these APPs work is built to scale based on incentives by providing incentives to their contractors who again get to decide decide whether they want to sign in or not? There's this thing with I'm sure listeners bright lift probably has a name for it but in Newburgh it's called surge pricing and and so if let's say there's like convention that comes into town and House Uber GonNa know where all the conventions are. They don't know they can't centrally plan this stuff. So there's a convention that's happening in town and everybody gets out of the convention invention and then goes out for dinner or they go to the airport after the conventions over or there's a football game or something like that or college graduation or whatever it is then the the demand goes up. The number of drivers isn't enough so what Uber does is. They set a surge rate that says all right come on in. We've got this level of demand so we're going to give you three times what you would normally get if you come on now yet to in the morning but come on in three times what you would normally get an so drivers are offline. We'll get a notice on their phones including Ding Ding three times the rate available now all you gotta do. There's a ton of people that want rides. You WanNa make some big bucks just sign into the APP and we'll send you riders. That's going to go away completely and like any price change that works on both supply and demand so the other benefit of surge pricing is that if if you're GONNA go run an errand that you could run anytime you want to. If you see surge pricing you may well say you know I'm. I'm GonNa do it later morrow or I'm going to do this in a couple of hours and so the people with urgency can't do that so they are going to pay more more while the people with less urgency are gonNA get out of the way yeah this does nothing but harm economically Californians. This is going to screw people yeah and and I have to wonder how this impacts the state potentially is this is their tax on Uber in California for or for services because I know there's a lot of states where there's there's a service tax of some kind on certain industries so I know in New Jersey for instance say tax computer appear repair services. You know I don't know I know it doesn't mean that everything is tax but I would not be surprised if especially with California being you know one of he's kind of lefty big government states. If they texts Uber Services already. I wouldn't be surprised a fifty five four fifty free. If you want to to weigh in here our toll free number eight five five four five zero three seven three three some of the companies are not done fighting the bill uber lift and door dash had pledged to spend ninety million dollars to support a ballot initiative that would essentially exempt them from the legislation Uber loot eight that maybe that's part of the plan though because imagine if they regulate all of the the GIG economy businesses and then two of them get an exemption actually that's going to be great unredacted unconstitutional additional or something it would be discriminatory and they I don't even think that other one do that although they do that kind of thing all the time when it comes that housing words stuff like when I was at Master Lane Queer a software company and are we had this retired general who who got our product into the federal real budget but he but they never named the name masterlink they just described a piece of software and capabilities that no other pieces of software on so that's actually standard operating procedure for government. I've experienced it firsthand myself so I know I know that's how all of this works the whole bidding on contracts. Thing is such a farce. It's not it's a it gives you the in in the perception that you know you're getting the best for your money but in reality you're not you're actually govern ends up wasting more of your money as a result according to the New York Times here California's cities will we'll have ways to enforce this law in last minute amendments to the law legislators gave large cities the right to sue the companies that are not complying the bill is not universally personally supported by drivers some opposed it because they worried it would make it hard to keep a flexible schedule after Uber lifts sent messages to drivers and riders and California August in August asking them to contact legislators legislative aide said they noticed a spike in calls as the bill wound its way through the legislature. The ride hailing company sought an agreement that would create a new category of workers between contractor and employee yea they met with Labor groups and the governor's office to negotiate a deal to give drivers a minimum wage and the right to organize while stopping short of classifying them as employees that just sounds like an absolute mess to try to administer so Let's continue here by the way the deal apparently disintegrated it. Didn't it didn't happen so now. We will give you you coming up in our to what Uber lift are saying. They're going to do about this new law how they're gonNA handle it and you can share your thoughts as well on free talk lot and Arkadelphia. Yeah is a conference dedicated to the principles of liberty individual sovereignty and freedom from coercion located in Philadelphia. 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There's other apps out there. that are allowing people airbnb technically economy up these places that allow people to get you know work and work as much as they want in many cases or as little as as they want setting their own hours and they're going to take all of that out from under those people and try to reclassify them as employees guarantee not them unemployment and health care coverage and all the other stuff that employees get and take away all of their freedom to make choices and of course this is because because some of the people who work for lift are mad that they're not considered employees. These are probably the lazier employees late boys lazier contractors who would like to get paid for sitting around and doing nothing and then every now and then having to take a ride somewhere and they don't realize that that's not how mathworks yeah well. It's not how business is going to work case yeah. I mean the the math on doing that. Just doesn't work so and we talked about what are some of the outcomes will be that is fewer people will have these jobs and they they won't be able to respond to shifting demand in the marketplace because we have to start scheduling people instead of letting them make their own hours but here's a story from vox dot com about what Uber lifts response is to this new legislation that has passed in California. It's going into effect on January. First so uber has said it will continue business as usual according to vox says they have no plans to change how they classify their driver's company argues the new legislation does not mandate that the company may could change to make a change but only applies a stricter legal test to determine if Uber's workers are truly independent contractors attest that Uber thinks it can pass Uber's chief legal officer so their head attorney Tony West says quote just because the test is hard doesn't mean we won't be able to pass it the testing question is called the ABC test which establishes a set of requirements for employers who want to hire contractors according to vox quote to hire an independent contractor businesses must prove that the worker a is free from the company's control meaning. You set your own hours right right. If you can decide which hours you set then you're not under their control however there might they might argue that well Uber set standards Uber says as you know. You've got to be somewhere in time every contract and go on whatever contract has standards what you're signing. If you're buying Straw Straw baskets you're gonNA have standards for that Basque yeah but that doesn't mean the company that manufactures the basket is here employees be she is doing work that isn't central to the company's business and see has an independent business in that industry if they don't meet all three of those conditions than they have to be classified as employees now this is according to Fox's Alexandra Fernandez Campbell whoever she is West argued that sense so can back to uber spokesperson here the attorney he says that since their driver's work is outside the usual course of Uber's business which he defined as serving as a technology platform for several several different types of digital marketplaces so again because literally the thing that Auburn never does no uber employees ever drives anybody anywhere that's right. They're bunch of techniques that program things right some customer service agents that handled customer complaints and that's about it and whatever administratives they've got in the end their army of attorneys that they say they do that. I mean do they might outsource. Support and Dame ain't so great for most companies outsource support so when you call del you're not calling del you're calling India India India and somebody whose contract with Dell Uber has argued that because it connects drivers to customers with an APP. It's fundamentally a technology company not a transportation in one and that's an idea that many push back on but a spokesperson for lifts similarly told recode the company has no immediate plans to reclassify its drivers now. It'll be up to California's courts to decide whether or not these companies arguments make sense so remember the law is going to allow the larger cities in California to file suit it against these companies and presumably they want starting to kind of like this because I'm pretty sure that they're right. It is right that Uber is right especially that because especially they don't schedule their drivers and that's the point. That's a huge part of being a being a contractor so this is gonNA end up being a tax on being a stupid liberal city. Maybe in California it's interesting. It's kind of interesting because you know no uber. I'm assuming probably offices in California but nothing says they have to. If they leave the space walk right they're not under California's jurisdiction of course they're walking out of. One of the biggest marketplaces have to walk out of the marketplace in in a sense because they're only operating the marketplace which is not necessarily operating California's office the offices out but still continue to allow Dr. I'm no longer in California sixty last que well. The thing is this. Would this would be hilarious because it would leave the cities with only one one recourse. The only people they'd be able to reach is the driver's bugs emily. If if the cities start dealing is start harassing the drivers are suing the drivers or arresting the drivers or whatever it is they want to do then all of a sudden the sh the Chirad rod that this is all for the protection and health and welfare of the worker would come down to the ceases to exist it exposes them for what they are. Sean CLARKSTON ORGANIZER FOR GIG workers rising group that has advocated for driver writes says quote Cooper and lift have not shown themselves selves to be good corporate bosses nor corporate actors. This just means that drivers will have to continue to build their movement and power so there's there's your your update uber lift planning to nothing differently. They're going to wait for the lawsuits to come and they're gonNA turn their army of of lawyers against whoever it is that comes out of it's is going to be just a knockdown drag out court battle but to be clear they did lose at the California Supreme Court previously which is what that's what started this particular law to be put into play so uber lost in the Supreme Court. They've believe they did the other story mentioned California's Pretty California's Supreme Court yeah so it's an ugly. It's an ugly situation out there and how they're going to handle this when it you know in the inevitable suit does come up. Is an interesting question so we'll we'll be paying attention to this. I'm not a huge fan of Uber. I don't have their stocks or anything like that. I don't like all of their business practices us. We're actually so. Won't you said you ask them. That's a good question I have not personally ever uh-huh subscribed. I've not used the APP and signed up to get like you said you did use a ridesharing service. was that a different one. I how do I say this. I did not I I was. It's not the one who called the you're a passenger. Okay somebody you weren't the initiator I'll use uber but their last choice for me because really yeah most most doc cab companies will hire a guy who's got a felony for weed on his record and Uber. WHOA also if I'm not good enough to drive for them? They're not good enough to drive me fair enough. I have used them in cities. If we're travelling and we need to get from the airport to the hotel sometimes we'll use uber. Sometimes we'll take a cab. It just depends on what's what's convenient opinion. 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Let's see we were talking about the ridesharing GIG economy. If you want to comment on that you're certainly welcome to join us here Chris. You had a story about longtime free software off. We're advocate Richard Stolman. Apparently you even had crash on your couch at one time so yeah that's true. Apparently it's a small community there. It's you no. It's and we'd say I mean it's a small relatively speaking. You're probably talking about two hundred thousand people I mean that are like active. I think active supporters there may be more out there but these are people who are like. I don't know maybe on the mailing list or actually giving free software foundation which is is he's one of the founders of the founder of so has he is he likes to Eh if I'm supposed to answer that question I'll ask you all right so he's making headlines now about something that he reset online about Jeffrey Epstein situation so let's hear that story from this is the story is from vice motherboard so now keep in mind. This is is coming from a left wing publication. I I would describe it as okay and it's very it's very misleading over what you said you'd be is funny. wannabes actually linked to a mailing lists that the conversation happened on and if you actually read you can read the actual post yeah. I'll try and get into that because this actually is a fairly short story but the the story itself is very yeah. I'd like to see the original the original tax definitely if it's contested context yeah so what's the headline so the headline here is framed computer. Scientists Scientists Richard Stolman described Epstein victims as entirely willing all right so actually it's not entirely untrue but anyway let me keep going in and you'll see why it's I think you'll see why it's kind of misleading because it it turns out that well I'll stolman a pioneer of the free software movement argued about the definitions of sexual assaults on Mitt with Sir about the university's connections to Jeffrey Epstein. 'cause there's been all this hubbub in the news about. MIT accepted money from this guy who had money yeah so the guy is I guess it's not just that but I think there was quid pro quo for some of that money was what do you mean they gave him girls. No no no no no no I think he had some power to to route. MIT money as as a result of the to route it yet. Let me let me look into that looking for them or something like that was not my understanding but I mean I I didn't read any of the stories I just saw the headlines about it and it made me think back to win. Ron Paul accepted a a campaign contribution from some white nationalist group or guy or whatever it was and there was all these headlines Rod Paul taking money from racists and Ron Paul's response to that was like like well. I'm not a racist if they wanNA give me money. It's going to help my campaign around promoting peace and freedom. I mean effectively effectively. The question is is it okay to accept money from somebody that you disagree with and I think it is so you think it is it is. Is it not okay. He's okay. It is okay yeah. That's kind of that's kind of what I feel too and so basically what happened was I guess point. He was Epstein was convicted acted of underage prostituting underage girls long time ago. There was a plea deal that he took in Florida. I think it was like two thousand eight or or something like yeah apparently continued to Mit. I guess blackballed and blacklisted so he couldn't they wouldn't accept money from him really you're right and again feel free to call in and correct me on any of this but that was my understanding and then I guess what happened was they continue to accept money but only anonymously so this eventually got out and so that's kind of where the scandal is and there's a number of different people at mit that were involved and then there were people who are defending that decision to continue to accept the money but anonymous only anonymously and so people who left and the left is just gotten all outraged because basically you know they were doing you know they were doing. I don't even know what they would. I guess people some people at least on the left field was immoral Richard Stolman the computer scientist the best known for his role in the free software movement has joined the list of Mit men going out of their way to defend the university's relationships with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein Steen and to be fair his role in the free software movement was literally creating it he he did the free software movement movement Eric Raymond the open source movement. I mean this is the operating system or the software most of your devices these as like your smartphone my phone like android and chrome chromium leave and you know basically that's yeah. That's one runs all these devices that we have nowadays so he's he's a very important figure. so you know what's interesting about this is so he's he's basically storm is defending the relationship. Mit had with Epstein not the UH sex the underage sex just to be clear about this but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's he doesn't necessarily agree with the age of consent incent or something to that of okay so I mean continue let's see here so apparently somebody named Selim G Geno and Mit Alumni I'm night posted on a medium about an email thread in which argued that the late Marvin Minsk an AI pioneer accused of assaulting one of Epstein's victims Virginia Defray your free. I don't know if that's how you pronounce. This is how I've been pronouncing. It not actually assaulted anyone so basically it. Let's talk about that coming up here. It's questionable whether whether or not any actual rape occurs they're saying there's another guy at Mit who was buddies with Epstein who also assaulted allegedly this same woman that is accusing Epstein. I believe that's the I believe. I want to hear more about it. 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Ca I visit US online at Freetalklive Dot com is free talk live you can join us here the toll free number eight fifty five four fifty free talking about the Jeffrey Epstein situation involving other men apparently one man who worked for MIT and allegations of rape. We're going to get further into the story here with you tonight by the way it's Ian Nobody and Chris and I wanna make sure that you you know about liberty. If you are a freedom loving person somebody who rejects the initiation of force and agrees to abide by the ethics of the non aggression principle you belong over at liberty dot menu so head over there. You can list the things that you do. Maybe you've got a business. Maybe you've got a show. You know some sort of digital content that you create. Maybe you haven't event that you want. 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Yes we get a little taste of it here on Friday nights yeah so where we had in this story from Vice About Epstein in this character from Mit who's now apparently passed away this guy hi who was buddies with Epstein yeah so I mean basically minced ski is is one of the guys who basically ended up having sex with one of Epstein's girls allegedly leading her right and I don't think anybody's of questioning that so much but the question is was it or was it not rape or and or statutory rape and it sounds like it's probably statutory rape but but not rape and the question is whether or not it was consensual because in the despot deposition Russian she doesn't say that she was raped and the lawyer than read the deposition. I did read a part of it and the deposition says something to the effect of of the then goes to ask. Where were you raped? Where was the location of your rape so jumps to that conclusion and then the New York Times and other other papers have basically said something to the effect of the girl says that she was raped by Mickey when that wasn't actually the case? That's what she said in the deposition. What did she saying the deposition well as a good question if we want to continue on and how old was she when she when these events occurred this was she was seventeen? Okay Casey. I don't think that's rape in New York statutes well. This was in the New York. I think the age of consent the Virgin Islands Though Not New York if I recall correctly they love virgins out there but yeah either way why would be statutory rape it wouldn't be in New Hampshire but in I guess in in the country in which this was occurring it was technically statutory rape and basically according to the age of consent dot net sixteen. Oh wait no. That's the United States. Where's the Virgin Islands? I'm not sure what it was definitely. What are these islands Ed's? I'll that's also wrong because the United States doesn't have an age of consent even the short of there's an age of consent on federal territories but it but it's the state. There's there are a I think there's an age based list laws in regards to pornography with with underage individuals under eighteen. Okay you are right. It's Virgin Islands Code says it's eighteen. Oh Wow so that would have been that's really interesting because that means that it would have been statutory rape there there but it specific it would not have been statutory rape in New Hampshire. That's true so there's kind of a limited amount of outrage outrage. I think that a that a that that New Hampshire right is permitted to express on his on this issue that if the conduct would have been legal here or most of them look I mean the whole question of statutory rape rape. I think all three of US would agree that it is not because it always involves the consent consent of the other the other party otherwise it would be actual rape but the people who support statutory rape laws believe that the the young person cannot consent when all all of a sudden magically when they reached the statutory age of eighteen or whatever now they can effectively. That's what Richard Stolman had also been saying. Is there a quote from him coming because I'm curious to hear what he has. Let me just keep reading it and we'll headline that made a claim. It's not so let me just keeping early in the thread stolman insists that the most plausible all scenario is the epsteins underage victims were entirely willing yes while being trafficked stolen so I think while being trafficked might be a bit little bit misleading because the whole idea of sex trafficking usually involves a slave somebody who is being kept against their will they're being kept by the threat threat of violence against them or their family members and they're being forced into sexual servitude vice here. That's being claiming while being traffic not stolen stolen say EH entirely willing wellbeing traffic traffic will I don't I can do this vice. Chose those words manipulate frying to make take to make the statement look absurd when it may not have been it right and it wasn't what you're saying makes a Lotta Sense. It's rational logical and it's very libertarian and now I don't I wouldn't say stall Tom. Izzo Bavarian Button position is this position as stolen goes onto argue about the definition of sexual assault rape and whether they apply to Mickey and Giraffe giraffe draft if your deposition statement that she was forced to have sex with him in response to the student pointing going out that giraffe was seventeen when she was forced to have sex when Minsk in the Virgin Islands Dolman said it is morally absurd to define rape and a way that the pens is on a on minor details such as which country it was in or whether the victim was eighteen or seventeen okay i. I can't disagree with that statement. The thread on MIT computer science and artificial intelligence laboratory list Sir lister was started started to promote a protest Friday afternoon urging. MIT students to speak out against the university's relationship with Epstein and the culture it had of covering covering up MIT MEDIA LAB Director Joey Alert People at the college is actually upset about this is this is is this something that is upsetting young people. I think people are upset about Epstein and that's leading them to look for things to be outraged. Being outraged dead now govern care how outraged you. They're trying to crucify people who are like so unreal have no oh real connection to Epstein at all and they've even gone so far as some as to attack the free software foundation because of an opinion expressed by I founder it's yeah it's founder well. It's interesting that they're pushing these kind of witch hunting stories to the fore when when they're not not covering is who's named in these documents besides these few names that we've heard there's supposed to be thousand names in there. What are they? I think is interesting is that there's a lot of people coming to defend Minsk here and it it Kinda goes to demonstrate that what all the you know the left wing Socialists are trying to make into this. This thing is it's being manipulated and it's just not true well. I mean the whole central message judge of Feminism. These days seems to be that women are strong independent people who can do anything they set their minds unless they're under eighteen to conserve cassettes director Joey Ito resigned from his post earlier this week after signed Swenson Swenson revealed his extensive cover up epsteins direct donations visits and donations Epstein facilitated so Epstein got them other donations yeah before we're supposed to be and we're supposed to be outraged. People who are supposed to be mad that this guy had money and gave it to organizations. Here's the problem. The media is the media is reporting or you know basically demonstrating or showing us this whole story from a certain perspective that just isn't true in is being manipulated. It and I feel like this is why this is an important story to get out on free. Talk Live because it's not showing it to you from this false perspective. That isn't isn't true. It's we're talking about what actually happened and to even talk about. This is being attacked by people on the left right yeah. You suggest that this woman is not being honest. That's that is off the table with Kirby thing is it's not about her being honest. She's told the truth pro. It sounds like she's told the truth but she manipulate it now I don't. I don't think that's the case. She's definitely going after Epstein. She is the witness more coming up here. In moments this talk live you intrigued intrigued by paranormal talk radio. 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That's kind of happening on the Internet about this Richard Stolman who is a the founder of the Free Software Foundation had some comments online recently about his opinion in about whether or not this woman who was one of the the main accuser against Epstein there have been several at least that have come out the main accuser against Epstein who is saying that he trafficked her. Yes sex slave yeah so this is USA in her original deposition didn't don't say that didn't accuse him of rape. It was more of accused men's ski of Rape Price News Minced Kaminsky. We're talking about about okay so she didn't accused him of rape but the lawyer then asked the question of where were you raped but she never actually said she was raped ski who is an Mit Ri- right so yeah anyway but she didn't answer was islands. I I don't if that was that was specific. Send the deposition but this is yeah this all supposed to happen in the virtual. She did claim she was raped by Epstein. That may be I don't know or W was she was a sex slave for Epstein. He's questioning that correct that she wasn't going to question that. I don't think she was a sex life. If you consent to being a sex slave believed that this young lady consented to what she was doing she was getting paid. Pay a sexy but that's not what she's saying correct. Yes she got paid. All everybody agrees that she got paid by the question is did she say she was raped by Epstein or not. We're not sure if she said she was trafficked by right. I think you're right said she was trafficked by some of the girls said they were raped by by writing. I don't know if Virginia was one of the he's he was convicted of it. I believe if I recall correctly so like I don't think anybody is questioning that and I was convicted abstention commission yeah underage prostitutes okay okay fair enough so technically he he's not convicted of having raped anybody convicted of having prostituted did and of course these are allegations about things that happened years ago. It's always he said she said in these circumstances and you know there's not any the actual evidence. Most people are gonNA convict whether or not true look this story behind this is that Epstein and I read the very detailed piece serve multiple pieces by the Miami Herald who did some very indepth from this got the best reporting you can find that at least that I found on the Epstein Story they recruited young women these teenage girls from various different places like shopping malls places where they worked or whatever they sent females emails into recruit them and like Oh. Hey how'd you like to make an extra two hundred bucks or whatever the amount was you know a few hundred bucks There's this rich guy who wants to get a massage. Would you like to come out and make some money. Give this guy massage can so these girls are working at some crap mall job making and minimum wage or just above it and two hundred bucks in one thousand nine hundred six or two thousand four whenever it was that was like a week's pay yeah it doesn't it doesn't kind of odd that you would the need to force somebody into this when they're paying money allegations that are being made is that they were invited to give massages and and then and then they were asked to do more than massage some of them seem to have consented and others seem to have have refused and in the cases where girls refused they claim that they were rape but whilst the claim this it's hard for me to believe if you have all this money why why would you and you have all these sell it for two hundred or three hundred bucks. This guy needed to get laid eight times a day. He was a why wouldn't you just move today but why I just want to the next girl like it's not like that's the thing they had plenty of so idea that you need to force them into prostitution when you can just go out and get another girl look I know already have multiple girls. I don't know I don't know if somebody's going to claim that girls in the nineties girls in the odds were somehow more innocent. Oh listen. There's there's right. There's no question that there are girls who are innocent but there's also girls who are. How do I know what they're doing right so let me let me tell you more about one of these accusers one of the ones who claims he raped her? You know held her down. Whatever one point? She says she was brought brought in to give him a massage. She gave him the massage. Then she came back. You know went home. They brought her back and then he asked her to like. Take her top off or something like that. That says he took her top off gave him. The massage with their top off went home. got paid came back and then like there was supposedly this sort of stepping up of of the the sexual intensity of this this situation until he finally asked if he could have sex with her and she supposedly told him I am no at that point that she did not feel comfortable doing that and that's when she claims that he held her down and actually committed sexual assault actually at that time Epstein in this case so this young teenage girl and I don't know how old she was but he typically seemed to have like fourteen fifteen sixteen year old young women in there with him. Are you trying to tell me you didn't know that was coming really step by step by okay yeah now this time. Take your pants off this time. Give me a hand job this time you know. Are you trying to tell me. You didn't think that was coming. I'm not saying that he whether I think he he did or did not rape her yeah but I'm just saying that claim the knowing that the request is coming however is not the same as knowing that that if you say no you will be forced to comply I see that and so you really yourself into a situation in where you should realize there's an escalation going on now. Yes if you have could judgment teenagers don't have good judgment. That's part of the Point Oh oh I think that's unfair innocent girl who doesn't know what's going on. I don't have that doesn't that's not talking at the same. Oh you can't do that. No it's just that I don't think all teenage. I don't think you can just wave your hand and say all teenagers to poor judgment. I think allies users teenagers poor judgment but not every routinely has poor judgment well. There's a person that's a certain person who would say that any teenager who would go to Jeffrey. Epstein's House has poor judgment but other people would say hey. Some People WanNa make three hundred bucks. That's circumstantial in some cases is in somebody's interest to go and have sex with another raise interest. She kept going back. As far as I'm concerned. If you you keep going back and the whole claim that he was going to threaten is I think belied by your point that there's an never ending parade of women I mean and also think about this they they had the girls recruit other girls as well so you come into his little room or whatever his massage room you give them a Sasha. He asked you to do something. You're not comfortable with well. The claim on the other side or one of people claimed that what they would then do is they are well. That's fine. Maybe you can find another girl. You've got friends right wooden in your friends like to make some money. How about this you go get one of your friends to come and give him a massage? We'll pay you one hundred bucks a finders fee and we'll pay your friend as well. This is what they did so if this guy was as dangerous as they're saying he was. Why would these girls go out and recruit their friends to come there? They were obviously the into this. They're getting paid cash money for what I don't know how long the work was but it wasn't that long right so then they got a ride home. They gotTA ride there. They got free food and they got cash. I don't buy the claim that there was some crazy rape and sex slave operation going on dope by yeah I don't know I think it's quite possible that a not all of these cases are alike as a matter of fact. I think it's certain that not all of the cases are are alike. I think it's quite likely likely that some of these girls consented and I think it's quite likely that some of these girls didn't maybe there are some that didn't but we don't know there's actually no evidence you say versus. She say except testimony is evidence and there are people who are testifying that twenty years later teen years later yeah whatever and I have a potential incentive to testify in a way that benefits them right. I'm sorry you keep showing up. You're getting on airplanes with this guy. You're going from place to place your living the lifestyle l. of the rich and famous and the price you have to pay for it is that you have to have sex with his friends and get paid for it. I mean I'm sorry that's not a situation that you know oh necessarily calls out this earth rape happening here. That's a woman a young woman whose consenting to do things and who continues to come back for more of of those things so I don't i. I just don't buy the claims and also think about it from this perspective. This guy was doing this for a long time time right sixties when he died. He's been doing this for his probably as long as he's been a rich wealthy guy who could afford to do it and they keep bringing in girls girls girls. They had you know a lot of young women doing this but only a handful of accusers well the where's the avalanche of them. You would think that normally there's like you make a good identified a hundred of these girls one thing that would be accusing or just identify that were involved in this somehow so one quest thing to find out how many of those girls disappeared because if he was wreck if he will you mean lay murdering them yeah if he was was raping girls on the radio about some of them had what girls disappear all the time yeah and apparently this was flying off. 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It's it's free talk live and we're launching into a third hour of the program coming up a related story to this whole Jeffrey Epstein Situation Story of Cody Wilson the one time president about that on distributed the company that has made it easy for people to make their own guns home he has been sentenced apparently and there's a statement that the mother of the so called victim in his case had to say to cody at his sentencing so we'll share with you these what mom had to say about it as we talk more about young young ladies teenagers teenagers young people in general being able to make decisions for themselves in whether or not they were deciding for themselves in the Jeffrey Epstein case where there are some who who claimed that they were raped certainly not all of them a very very small minority of them are making those claims with the tonight here. It's Ian Nobody and Chris and the store you're sharing with US Chris from Vice Dot com motherboards site they're reporting on Richard Stolman who is a free software advocate the kid who got into a conversation on an MIT email list yeah about this and essentially suggested that perhaps these young women were consenting well he was he was not necessarily saying that they were consenting. He was saying that the that basically what was in the deposition. It doesn't match what these New York Times story and a bunch of others have said occurred so I'll read a little part right here at that was on this man. I don't know if a mailing list is the right word but the forum so Jeffrey or afraid I. I don't know how you pronounce. It was seventeen at the time this makes it in the Virgin. This makes it was supposed to be secretary rape in the Virgin Islands not actual rape statutory rape. You've raped the statutes does it does it really. I think it's a morally absurd to define it rape in a way that depends on minor details such as which country in or whether the victim was eighteen years old or seventeen right so he's against statutory rape is what I think. The existence of a or released is saying that statue doesn't create rape you know all right if it was actually rape then they'd be charged with sexual assault which is rape. That's not statutory. Rape Statutory rape is almost always always a consensual act where the law says nope. You can't contest how it stuff signed. There's more we're going to act like this is the exact same thing as actual rape in it wasn't I think the existence of a dispute about that supports my point that the term sexual assault is a slippery is a slippery ace slope so we ought to use more concrete terms when accusing anyone so basically he's saying let's talk about what's actually the occurring as opposed to using these over generalize words totally agree with don't actually mean you know what we perceive that it's not over over-generalized word. It's a legal term which is a leading a term. That's right. It's a term designed to mislead designed to make people think it's rape. No no no no. It wasn't because the person consented oh no. She can't consent well. That's what the law says. That's what the statute say but that's not what she says or because a lot of cases where statutory rape is charged the Vic so-called victim isn't testifying the so-called victim isn't actually involved because she didn't want her boyfriend oy friend going to jail. Mom called the police venture I was I was involved in a case like that. Where my parents wanted to press charges against my girlfriend and what thirteen I wouldn't have it? I was thirteen and luckily I knew what what subornation of perjury was so. I just told the prosecutor or if he put me on the stand I was going to lie. I was gonNA say night night. Ignorance is strength. The government is just and undyed and so knowing that if he'd put me on the stand it would have been subornation of perjury so he couldn't so yeah sometimes these cases are are are complete crap. Sometimes they're not well then if it's actual rape than there ought to be a case brought against that person for actual she will rate right yeah. Nobody hears against the idea of rape or you know. The thing people shouldn't be Bernard. Well rape gone on the problem problem is that's not what's going on. It's people being persecuted for something they may not even have known or been able to to know in the first place that you know what's going on. Can you slow cody. Wilson case was not raped. You can't tell the difference between does not sound like she was raped at all. No you can't tell the difference between you know a fourteen or fifteen year old who's gone through puberty and you know somebody who is eighteen in most cases most most meant. I suspect you a USB maybe in some cases but I think a lot of cases you went all lot of these young ladies can absolutely pass for teams absolutely need to have a driver's license when he go or some sort of ID when you go to buy cigarettes. That was the case if that wasn't the case right. There's a reason that you know you have to show. Id and and you know if you're under twenty seven or forty now in some cases in some states. It's you know we wouldn't need that. It would be if it wasn't for the fact that it's so easy. My ex girlfriend is twenty two now and she doesn't look any different than she did. At Age Age fifteen or sixteen doesn't look any different. I just remember this one time in the Bahamas. I you know there was a thirteen year old and I don't know I was I was I was young. I was has no no actually I was older and I thought she was like you know eighteen to twenty one and here I was not even knowing if on their hands and say it wasn't good. If I had sex with her I would have been going. I would be going in the United States. I don't know about in Bahamas but yeah I don't think it's I don't think they're the age of consent. Is that low in the palm either yeah. I don't think I was like sixteen. She was thirteen something like that but yeah. It's it's. It's absolutely insane. I I mean you can't tell I mean sometimes the other times. You can't the other thing is I think there's a there's a big difference between you know a sixteen year old and a twenty six year old in in in a Lotta ways I mean when I life if I see a twenty six year old with a with a thirteen year old that's pretty creepy doesn't surly wasn't that how old your girlfriend wasn't wasn't. She was twenty twenty three which were thirteen different. you were just comparing sixteen and twenty six. You are thirteen. She was twenty three you. You said that was the best relationship time at the time probably but the other thing is did she take advantage of you unusual the kid I had forty six. No okay yeah so I think that's I think that's the way it comes down to whether or not it's wrong whether or not you're taking advantage of the another human being and that's what you believe is that the person if they're under the age of consent is always being taken advantage of because their own opinion doesn't Matt's absurd when you have kids especially boys he's you know where thirteen ugly over their teachers and young teachers and things like that which is a common theme in movies and TV shows and everything else. You cannot possibly tell me that they're being taken advantage of. It's we're like those taking advantage of the older people well see. Only the women are being taken advantage of the boys aren't being that's like the comment viewpoint right. That's ridiculous teachers all the time sure yeah. He's as female teachers for for raping boys which to me is a lot more absurd and Mary. Mary Kay Letourneau got back together with her so called called victim after she got out of prison. Yep I mean I think it just goes to demonstrate that our system of laws and had another kid with him right in terms of our laws are absolutely absurd. there was an element of you know somebody or at any age for that matter saying I do not consent. There's nothing wrong with prosecuting getting on rape is rape and nothing wrong with that but when you start prosecuting people who say they were raped for statutory rape that's wrong. That's immoral absolutely the when they go on a website register for a an account without giving their true age lying about their age claiming to be eighteen registering on a sugar daddy sugar baby website then going and meeting a man having him pick her up take her to a hotel having sex with him collecting five five hundred dollars which is good money for peace attending evening one evening yeah not bad well then she goes to her therapist tells the therapist about it. The therapist goes to the police and cody Wilson gets himself arrested. He's now essentially after she found out or realized that he was like he wasn't fact you. You know huge famous for individual. We're going to get into that because that's that's address. He's he's a big gun. Rights Guy Grey Wilson and that I believe did factor into her decision to go to go after after him so there's some of that's revealed here in the statement we'll get into what's going on with cody Wilson because it's kind of related to this whole discussion that we're having about consensual eight fifty five four fifty free. That's on the way eight five five four five zero three seven three three. You can share your thoughts with us on free. Talk Live. Does your dog it scratch scratch stink or shed like crazy. Come to fight for help. Order a ninety day supply of dinovite dinovite for life pickup tubes of dogosuds get the third tube free peppermint not tree lavender dogosuds shampoo made with all-natural coconut jojoba aloe great for healthy skin and soft shiny coats but no itchy harsh chemicals lather. They're up rinse away. Try dogosuds buy two get one free at DINOVITE DOT COM I N. O. V. I T. DOT COM. Do you have a crypto. Wealth adviser is your coach. 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It's Ian Nobody thank Chris so I wanted to give you an update on what's going on with Cody Wilson. It's a case we've been following pretty closely. OC We've had the guy on our show. He actually has come up here to New Hampshire Times at least twice I think I know he was at a couple of liberty forums. which is the yearly convention that the Free State Project puts on in a hotel on the wintertime here and I think he was like even the keynote speaker and that event one one year of course that that was before he was accused of of statutory rape in Texas with a set sixteen year old I believe and the age of consent in Texas seventeen the young woman in question as I mentioned previously had created an account on a website that supposedly requires you to be eighteen to create the website or create the the account but she lied and claimed she was eighteen claim. She wanted to be a sugar baby so called and we actually talked about that in detail earlier this week what you know what it's like to be a sugar baby there was an interesting discussion we had earlier on free. Talk live about that but off a caller or would we couldn't we couldn't get anyone to call about it but there was a really interesting article online that we shared written by a woman who had sort of decided to become a sugar baby and so she then had sex with with cody in a hotel he then dropped her off at some hamburger place and that was the end of it he thought until all of a sudden a warrant was issued for his arrest he he was in. I think Thailand or something like that at the time and ended up being extradited out of their brought back to Austin Texas to face multiple felony counts of rape the ostensible so-called statutory rape as we were discussing earlier. Here's the latest from ARS TECHNICA DOT com apparently the so-called all victims mother had a thing or two to say to cody Wilson at the sentencing hearing will share her statement coming up here in a moment judge Brad Aera or or boy you are. Uta Judge Breyer Attiyah began as he called Cody Wilson and his attorneys to the the front of Travis Counties Four Hundred Fiftieth Criminal district courts all right cody Wilson. I see no reason not to go with the plea deal though there is sufficient evidence to find you guilty beyond a reasonable doubt for more than quote injury to a child unquote and with that brief act Wilson's literal globe spanning legal the drama was over the founder and former CEO of Three D. printed firearms company defense distributed had been formally sentenced after his arrest on charges of sexual L. Assault against a minor in September which is another way of saying set statutory rape again not actual assault because she consented in September twentieth eighteen eighteen Wilson had made a plea deal with the state ahead of his initial court appearance last month. Now it's official Wilson will serve seven years of deferred adjudication probation and register Mr as a sex offender. He'll pay twelve hundred dollar fine and four thousand eight hundred and forty dollars in restitution to the victim how much almost five thousand dollars forty eight hundred to the so called optum. You're already paid five hundred hundred so she got ten times Gore. She's out of this. He must complete four hundred and seventy five hours of community service and continue to attend sex offender therapy and during his probation period his key strokes will be monitored he will not be allowed to possess firearms. He cannot drink alcohol or use narcotics attics and he must inform the court if he has children during that time his former company defense distributed had formally cut ties long long ago but Wilson will not spend a single day in prison initial charges against him had been second degree felonies punishable by up to twenty years in prison and fines of up to ten thousand dollars so we can you walks away with some pretty significant restrictions supposedly if he doesn't violate his probation or whatever they're calling this terms then they will not continue to consider him a sex offender so he's temporarily on the sex offender lists for seven years and this woman is clearly not a victim. She's a whore. She's not woman. She's a child. She's she's a professional before. Do you think this was her first time. I don't know it wasn't this wasn't she didn't she don't have any reason to believe it would've been I'm pretty sure that we read in prior prior. It wasn't sugar diet. He never was claimed that I don't recall hearing that that there was never it wasn't claimed it was the first time no one ever said this was her first time. Using this website I suspect wasn't I don't see any reason to assume as a matter under a fact and ensure they would have said it was her first time using the site because that would have bolstered their cases little bit Wilson Wilson of her according according to store here the formerly boisterous firearms activists said nothing beyond Yes your honor throughout the entire sentencing process staying stoic in his gray suit a dozen or so cameras watched ever reaction he and his legal team left the courtroom and headed for the elevator and gave the press only their brief reaction his attorney. I believe said it was a fair resolution for everyone plainly cameras continuing to shoot until the moment Wilson hit the Elevator Wilson's initial court appearance was the first time the public learned that his legal team had worked worked with the state on a plea deal involving lesser charges according to the original plea document injury to a child is only a third degree felony compared to the second degree allegations that he had been facing zing Travis County District Attorney told Ars Technica at the time quote this plea agreement was made after consulting with the victim and her family so he went to the victim Inter of so-called victim and her family and said well. How `Bout we get you another five thousand dollars this is this is the problem with this? They incentivize supposed individuals individuals to claim something that may or may not have even happened thing happened. Well I know but if it hiding happened there incentivizing somebody to you make an accusation when they say oh. We're going to be five thousand dollars. If you agree to testify against this individual this is why you can't believe anything that comes out of a courtroom the E-eh District Attorney Frederick elaborated to the saying the state had months of extensive meetings with the victim and her parents quote after several months of going through the case and talking with them about what they desired desired what they wished. We felt that this was a satisfactory one case today court attorneys are not attorneys attendees her directly from the victim's family after Wilson accepted his sentence a statement from the victim's mother was read aloud for all to here so here. We go this poor poor teenage girl who didn't know oh what she was doing. She can't make decisions for herself. She couldn't consent signing up for the website because she can't consent so she couldn't consent to putting her profile up and couldn't consent to getting in his truck and getting into the hotel room and having sex with she couldn't consent to doing any of those things here's well mommy has to say. This is an impossible task somehow. I'm supposed to make a statement that fully explains your actions but my truth is over a year ago. I always hold in my hand the minute you paid my daughter for what you did to her because she didn't have anything to do with what he did to her. She had no role whatsoever in any of this. She said that she did the same thing to him that he did. There're error eight five five four fifty free. There's more to mom statement here will share what she had to say to cody Wilson on his way out of court after being sentenced the toll free number is eight fifty four fifty free and if you think he's actually a criminal we'd love to hear from you. 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He's going to be monitored online so there's they're basically going to key log him. they're going to be monitoring everything he does online and several restrictions but purportedly if he doesn't violate these restrictions which of course probation is always really easy to violate and they're going to tell them no alcohol or anything like that either author so they're they're putting some serious restrictions on him and if he gets through the seven years then they'll take him off the sex offender list apparently and the mother of the so-called victim the teenage young lady who signed up for using false claims on a website for being a sugar baby and had consensual sex with him and then claimed that she was or didn't claim she was raped. She claimed that she had had sex with which is illegal in Texas at age sixteen and they came after him for it. this is the rest of the statement from her mother at the court. She said the investigation period was terrifying reading who are what you believe in created the ferry real in reasonable fear for our family and everyone in it so I would take pictures of her every time she left my car in the months leading up to the case just in case I had to ide- what she was last wearing. Are you serious. She received the money for her actions actions. How on Earth was there any reason to think that she might be under a threat of violence? Under a threat of some sort of violence well see cody likes guns cody is it was in charge of defense. Everybody has a gun my God so this girl's mother red in anti-gun activist or something they did. She set this saw it begs the question so you have to read between the lines in this one and but they don't say right out that she's an anti gun activists but just listen to what she's saying about reading who you are and what you believe in she goes on she says. Rt Life was shattered dirt but she never wavered from the truth once she knew who you are and what shoot did she's talking about. Being a gun advocate making three printed guns making the ghost gun asks what because it was after the fact that after she went to investigate the girl Orion wavering in her story when she developed a political right that fascinating somebody needs needs to put a put a private investigator on this check she never wavered. She remembers the gun you put in her hands and the feeling of your your skin but you ran despite the publicity so it sounds like in the hotel room probably he supposedly he bragged to her remember. The original reports reports about this were that he bragged to her text messages about who he was and how he was you know whatever go like. She knows she hi the research right so the night the night up. She didn't know who she hurt what he claimed he claimed the bad guy you know he's a he's a tough but people say things all all the time necessarily realize just how big they really are then he meets with her based on what she's saying here sounds like while they were together he you know he continued to show her who he was. Oh look I'm cody Wilson. I've got here. Check this gun out. Hey isn't this cool. I printed it in my ghost gutter. Talk probably told her are all about what he does and then at some point she went to her therapist and told the story and then mom found out the police were contacted so going out with mom STA and the the therapist. My understanding is only reported it because it's Schori report right but you ran despite the publicity you've always been seeking seeking from your fans and followers. You ran you hit in a foreign airport only came back because you were made to that was that's misleading because they they actually he was already you had planned to go to Thailand and it was only after he was in Thailand that they even issued a warrant for his arrest was at it yeah yeah so he stood up in a public forum. Despite talk of conspiracies setups I pray that you will not be killed especially that you will not not be killed by a gun truth is you are now hiding behind the laws of the country. You mocked for years. Let me get this straight. She's actually saying all this the guns and everything thing this is being. You're not rephrasing this. This is what I hear this statement from how this was read to Cody Wilson and of course he wrote it means. There's no question that this is a political aso link cody four. I wonder if she harder daughter out in order to make an anti-gun hit. That's what it sounds like their preparation. I mean we aren't very passionate. You know maybe she knows that her daughter's is a sugar baby and hey make sure you get in touch with this guy because we can either blackmail him for rape I M. I'm kind of curious like how that setup. What Gandhi seems like unlike improbable but from from what she's saying it doesn't at all sound it sounded John Schwartz this biggest psycho if she's if she's there's passionate about taking away people's liberty then why would you? She stopped at taking away. Somebody's don't you don't make a statement about guns right when you're when you're daughter is been everything actually gone on Steve. She devoted one sentence to the actual dodge right. She says it hasn't had said not a word about harm to the DAW on now. This is a political politically very revealing right. Yeah let's go on. There's a couple more sentences. The truth is joy now hiding behind the lawsuit awesome country you mocked for years but the biggest truth is my daughter is strong vibrant and has a beautiful future as a prostitute. I added Ah Larionov by God if she can continue making fifty five hundred dollars a throne she'll be able to retire by before she's eighteen and I speak this truth in front of you because that's the most important truth in all of this so there you have it. That's what really went really was that these women this young lady and her mother are anti-gun people and they had him whether it was an accident or whether it was a setup they found themselves in this situation and they they went to get him. That's what what happened. Is this a curious. This in I know there's a city in Texas is goes. The other direction they go like left Democrat or some Austin is Austin saw the town where they shot that coupled to it's an which couple the couple who earn it originally they said the couple resisted the raid and then it turned out that they stormed into this Sandra fraudulent pretext thank you Ryan shot shop these two innocence and their dog cops Austin are not a good bunch and a lot of corrupt cop opticians there but you know hey cody showed a left Texas and should have moved to New Hampshire and then none of these problems would have been. It's it's hard to it's hard to like. Look down on people but I have to say like it's it's so sad when people don't he should have should he had the opportunity he was indicted. He came here to yeah. You know it's not like he didn't know what was going on here. Yeah and you get more freedoms to Texas true eight fifty five four fifty free. 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I wanted to talk about Cody Wilson because looks like another case of the Christian anarchist being right. I called you right after all. This stuff happened and I said this smells like a setup smelled like from the very beginning because the government wanted to shut him down and what's it's the best way to shut anybody up in this country right now. It's charged them with any kind of sex crime charge you just gotTa make it known that they're being accused or rated rated or whatever you're sure yes something I mean look at what I mean. Look within yeah we lost radio stations over the radio. Unknown was charged with anything right all allegation. Do is smear you so this is the new scarlet letter. I don't know if any of you guys have read that book scarlet letter highly three consecutive years because that kept changing highschools yeah. I was required to read it in high school but anyway it was a good book because it taught you something about how politically they smear people and make their life miserable and that's exactly what they did with Cody Wilson. Oh Yeah for sure so today. The new use scarlet letter is rape bell. You know they WANNA call you. The scarlet letter is no longer a it's our so although I'll say that if dimsdale was a decent guy he would have he would have you know married her done or done something to get her out of that mass. This is the book garlic letter. All I know about it for listening Camilion why we should probably explain briefly. All I know is in the book. The character is is is adorned with a scarlet letter because she conducted adultery right. I was the idea I and the idea was to shame her. Basically then make current life miserable yeah yeah yeah maker basically untouchable and so now to make someone untouchable you call him a rapist or or so see for Chomo are are rapists and as soon as they can label you that way they this change your life child L. Molester. Oh Yeah I suspect and that's what they're going to try to argue that Cody Wilson is even though this young woman who I think victimized cody cody Wilson in this particular. It sounds more like it seems it. It looks to meal like a state state-backed backed extortion it does not I was not entirely convinced that it was you know I thought it really happened like Oh. It just coincidence virtually when we're talking about. Does it smelled but I didn't think it I thought you know it just occurred mother concerned about the guys politics now. It sounds like it was planned -posedly victimizing her daughter he makes no claim of any harmed sure she makes no claim of any harm done to done to the girl so I trust my knows more than anything else if I smell something St- Stinky and then I think that it smells like a setup nine times out of ten Dan. It's a setup you call it well. I'm pretty sure I heard I heard about this case on the air at at free talk live and they told me who he was and what he'd better arrested for it I said was this a political hit us it all the time for political hit so it shouldn't surprise anybody that you know it was the only question question at this point is whether or not the mother or the the young lady knew about him before the night in question yeah or it it was she discovered it because he bragged about himself to her that that night is certainly sounding more and more like it was premeditated and of some some sort of nature that not that she found out after the fact you hope to somebody in Texas is looking into that. It'd be hard to prove it's what she says against what he says. We'll probably never know the truth because mother white admit she's not going to admit to just not that kind of conniving scheme are no but I mean if if somebody did this deliberately they had to go to some effort to to to to hook it up. I don't know I yeah that's the thing we're not clear on. What's what's happening there but to say thank you gene for the call tonight? I appreciate hearing from you there. On our discord server. That's gene the Christian anarchist you can join the discord server and sound that good. If you WANNA call the show just go to discord dot dot. FM Discord Dot L. R. N. Don. FM and the chat goes on in their pretty pretty consistently it's there twenty four seven different chat rooms in which you can discuss various issues. Let's go to Allah now calling us from Peoria Illinois watching on Youtube. Go ahead Al just curious how the Public Defenders Office were for Mister. Nobody king hard to public defender's office workout. Conclusions don't think you're allowed to call this show. Do you want me to keep a model who is unwilling to keep them on since he's threatening or being rude at this point docked. FM on the Air I was trying to give them a chance and he threatens to break my neck. So there you go wow I didn't hear a word that guy said so the DNC see something about your public defenders on this well I mean as apparently he's stalking you or happy with the with the public look defenders office except for you know the whole trying to have me arrested thing which irritated that what he was referring to though that's not really what I would've sound so much as it's the it's the office of cost containment so it's it's an oversimplification to say it was the public defenders I saw that was kind of the guy who's banned from calling freetalklive. Oh that guy yeah I'd like to tell you how many people are there if if he wants to talk ought to me to face side James if you ought to talk to me face to face sometime just let me know your comment. I'll I'd be delighted to man. There is such a crazy crazy good story that we should share. I feel like we're not going to do it justice in the last five minutes of the program but here's the headline because I just WanNa make sure we get this out. It's it's so ridiculous and should have been expected. CBC The news. That's the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. It's run by the Government Canada headline. The Ontario government lost forty two million dollars selling cannabis in the last year remember a year ago. When does that happen the government while government fail cannabis is like super super profitable yeah it should be how does the government hard business because it's illegal but that's not a problem when near the government so do they say exactly what they did obviously screwed up everything but the very first this day when Ontario province remember different can't Canadian provinces and territories have different rules about how cannabis is sold so in some areas it? It is a private company. That does the sales in Ontario however they decided they weren't going to allow any private companies to do the sales they were going to handle it. The government goons were going to handle distribution and could possibly go wrong well day one. They ran out of supply so they only managed to grow one day's worth of Sonata. They ran out like halfway through the day. You have to wonder did they intentionally set it up to fail no. They just don't know what they're doing. It's the government. They don't know anything about selling things. They don't know anything about business and they don't have anything about producing things they don't have. They don't have the incentives. Let's go to Al He's in Georgia. We can talk more about it another time but you're on free talk live go ahead. Are you good that you're on the air. FM detail looking at it closer but they totally we screwed up from day number one and we told you on free talk live that this was going to be an absolute disaster and it absolutely was and and they've lost forty two million dollars change anything I have the FBI police the the state police. I should make money for quite a while. They were all after me. They were driving in prison. You don't have anyone trying to put you you in prison and a legal monopoly selling weed legal monopoly Govinda. I thought the one third losing one thirty year resources like in toll collection collection was bad. you know the money that are coming in to pay for it was bad. This is even worse attic. so we'll see you tomorrow night. You can join US online in the meantime. Check them out at freedom decrypted dot com for liberty freight friendly freedom oriented tech show and we'll see tomorrow FREETALKLIVE DOT com balance of nature are changing the world one life at a time under my eyes. 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It didn't take long for things to turn sour five ships left from severe there were mutinies along the way the fresh food ran out quickly because you have to eat that I coming up find out how Magellan and his crew changed what we know about the word we'll hear why it's up big anniversary in Spain rain but not so much in his home country Portugal in the new world you can't beat Mexico City for fun and atmosphere and no matter how trendy the city's neighborhoods are getting you can always find a touchable Mexico just around the corner even the trendiest neighborhoods. There's still gonna find the old coffee shop with the old man eating and the dude I'd say it sweet bread and having their coffee reading the paper the back story to the first sale around the world a guide to Mexico City's neighborhoods and your calls to help plan your next adventure. It's all just ahead on travel with Rick Steves friends from Seville and Lisbon. Tell US why big Magellan anniversary is getting more attention in Spain then Magellan's home country of Portugal and just a minute and the author of a guidebook to Mexico City shares her favorite neighborhoods to explore places where you can view remnants of the old Aztec city well well sipping a copy Cohen late Jay and immersing yourself in the living history of Mexico's energetic capital. We'll also open the phones to find out what kinds of travels are on your horizon a little little later in the hour on today's edition of travel with Rick Steves five hundred years ago in fifteen nineteen Ferdinand Magellan sailed from Sa- via via southern Spain to be the first mariner for his expedition to circumnavigate the world now he's often given credit but he actually died in the Philippines and his crew in one remaining ship of his actually did succeed in sailing entirely around the world. That was a big deal and five hundred years later starting this year. We're remembering that historic voyage now Magellan was a Portuguese explorer who worked for Spain. He was hired by the Spanish king to go out and find trade routes to the Far East joined by Robert Wright from Spain and Christina Duarte from Portugal to share a Spanish and Portuguese perspective on this exciting event Robert Christina. Thanks for joining adding here so Magellan. I don't get it. He was Portuguese but he's held for Spain and I mean who celebrates Robert. What's this take from Spaniard? You live in severe. I live in via and we love Magellan. Why wouldn't we he did? He did something good for the Spanish Korean so as you were mentioning he worked for Charles the first or Charles the fifth Esi sometimes known and back in those days everyone was looking for a way to get the spices they they knew where they were but of course Spanish couldn't invade what had already been determined is Portuguese territory which after Vasco Gama sailed around in fourteen ninety seven the world was divided into two by the Treaty of toward the CS so first of all in the old old old days Marco Polo as camels went overland and with my spices been really wasn't going to be the future and the countries on the Atlantic seaboard notably Spain and Portugal they had money they wanted to get in on that trade so they had to carve out some of the ways to get around though so Magellan was a good sailor but apparently Portugal didn't have the money so he went to Spain and from the it's kind of like a double kind of thing because because also first of all Columbus went to Portugal and Portugal turned them down okay now Christine ear from Portugal and your man Magellan yes you didn't take care of me went to the next this country and now right now allow to agree with that Portugal was focusing one thing which was arriving to India since fourteen fifteen that we worry windy ocean so we were the first maritime country and we knew many things that no other country can you about because your guy vastly Zama Dama failed around fourteen fifteen that we were going trying to arrive to India by going around Africa so so when we arrived just to give you an idea of the dates and the the span of time thus could come as forty ninety eight we I in the ocean since fourteen fifteen so we knew lots of Koren's knew we knew itineraries you had the we had the navigation technique so when the Spaniard and you're started to find out interest in going on also to India we were not very interested to share our knowledge them with them. so what we done basically was to try to figure out with them the division of the world saying okay you go to west and leave us east because because we want to go to east so surrounding Africa Spain basically got the Latin America which kept Brazil and today really five hundred years later. We still have this linguistics exactly that's why Brazil speaks Portuguese in the rest of Latin Americans in Spanish so just to finish this it was thoroughly discussed cusp between Portugal Spain. The agreement took almost thirty years to be sign up in Colombo is not that we turn it out. Colombo Colombo was married. We the Portuguese level naming Christopher Columbus Saric Christoph from Colombo he was married to a Portuguese woman and he was married to a person ah very influential in the royals and a court so if he said now it's like a little rumor it appears that we did not turn turn out Colombo ill-will sand like let's say the first diplomatic spy to Spain on purpose which she's what's Colombo was suggesting to the Portuguese king was gave me money to go in an expedition to west and we knew that our way hey was to east so why to spend money to give afterwards to spend you also a lot of the calculations Columbus had made the Portuguese as cosmographers said Oh those are incorrect. You're actually thinking that it would take longer to get there then what you say they had a vested interest because Portugal controlled trolled the Pacific Rim. I guess Portugal Got Asia and Spain got Latin America. Was it a little bit of a a betrayal of that treaty when Spain sent Magellan and to what was agreed to be Portuguese territory well it was in a way but honestly they were. They didn't know how much was over. There quite a much Elon Musk. I actually married to a civilian woman and so there's all this tax yeah between the two countries okay so Madeleine Portuguese adventure paid the Spanish. You've got all the way to what became known as Philippines around King Philip of Spain and they speak Spanish to this day a AH dialect of Spanish and he died there Roberto. I can just imagine they went with the handful of ships in a bigger crew Magellan was killed and they were just like traumatized raised and they still didn't even know where they were going to go to finish. This first circumnavigation of the globe must have been a horrific last part of the trip and only one ship got back with a a few starving sailors most. I think that we tend to forget about how brave these people were regardless of their motives of what they were going going for the actual courage that it takes to go out into the unknown with very few supplies only five ships five ships left from severe there were mutinies along the way the fresh food ran out quickly because you have to eat that I what they're left with is really old supplies rats because the rats had come on board but the rats turned into protein and what you need in your shoes you a rat looks pretty good leather leather anything they could to get protein the travel with Rick Steves. We're talking with Christina Dorte and a Robert Right. We're talking about five hundred hundred virtually of the voyage of Ferdinand Magellan. His crew was the first to Sir come navigate the planet Robert He didn't do it. He gets all the credit. What was the name of the man who did do it? Sebastian Elcano is the guy who took over he was the pilot and Christina. What do we know about this man and help in our travels? Do we always celebrate him for no magallanes he is from from the northern part of Portugal so in the door Valley Valley as a very comes from a very important noble family so we know early age he's already part of the crown and the nobility around to our our kings he was already on the interest of the noble families and the creek he made part with another friend of him that is going to be very important portent. He made part of the first X. Court patrol for the our first viceroy of India in Galway so in forty ninety. V8 see this is so important when we traveled to Portugal to understand the importance of these amazing early voyages because when we go to Portugal the churches are recalled pepper churches man paid for tax brought in these incredible church is when we look at the architecture. It's got ropes. It's got see shows sales. It's got all these motifs from the sea because for Portugal it was a world power because of these adventures these voyages exactly lawyers and when we go to Portugal Christina what what would we look for now what are three or four examples of sites that will relate to this kind of mainly between districting lease been because he's all related with the discoveries most of our caravels caravels so the name of the boats that took still oriented because it was light and with an maneuver system of a sales Portuguese high-tech but would you be the crap out a wind up wind exactly back and forth this let it go farther away from the coast is easier to get around and this is in Bellingham b. e. l. m. suburb suburb twenty minute ride from Lisbon. a little bit in food also and did own food is that although we were there for the trade of the spice as the spices prices were way too expensive to use them in our food so Portuguese food is not spicy because we were selling the food although in our deserts we have lots of Oriental of your oriental influence using of the honey and of course the the Steinem so Robert what was the influence of all all of this excitement about Magellan until on how did it impact the Spanish economy in history after that it changed the game because once the ship came back from all the way around around the world they knew how to get to the Spice Islands without having to enter Portuguese territory so they could actually go and pick it up and sell them as well. They could have backed tracked attract from the Philippines they considered that because they were entering into Portuguese territory but the current go the opposite way and they weren't quite sure sure how to get back and if they had gotten back Mexico had not yet been conquered by the Spaniards so they would have been on the west coast of Mexico and unable to cross to the Caribbean which they had control of Tour Guides Christina Dorte from Lisbon and Robert Wright who now lives in Seville are helping US celebrate five hundred in years since Magellan's crew proved that you really could sail all the way around the world. There's more on our website at Rick Steves dot com slash radio just to wrap things up for the celebration and it's not a certain day. It's the next three years because that was the duration of the voyage as travelers. What will we find Christine? Is there any celebrations what we look for. Well in Portugal there will be not the celebration we've feel proud because he was Portuguese but we are not going to celebrate that because he's not historical event that each for the Portuguese event there's lots going on with this exploration discovers but not specifically to celebrate five hundred years of Magellan and Robert in Spain in Spain were definitely going to celebrate Woohoo and what they see as we what will probably be going on for. Most of the three years is they have made a reproduction of the ship that made it back it was the now Victoria and that was the one vessel that did return and they have made a salable reproduction and and it is at the dock in the port of via and different cities around Spain and it will they've taken it around the world already but they will be going to different countries around the world and you might see it when you're in Spain because it'll probably be traveling up in the Basque country as well. I'll actually walk on board. See how the sailors lived compare the size of the cabin where the captain slept and then we're everybody else left outside of really attempts to imagine what it was like from a gentleman and his guys five hundred years ago in all my traveling days have gone to civilian. I've I've seen that great port there with the Golden Tower and it's been so evocative to me but there's never been an old boat there. Now we've got now. There's never been a more perfect time. Robert Wright Christina Duarte. Thank you so much good off. Yes I am with whom and we'll open the phones at eight seven seven three three three rick to check in on your travel plans and just a bit but first we're finding adventures in the new world with tips for experiencing Mexico City One neighborhood at a time that's next on travel with Rick Steves. The ancient capital of the tech empire is now the massive capital city of Mexico Mexico coast city is growing into an important cultural and business hub. You could even say it's the most influential city in Latin America. There's more than one hundred and fifty museums gorgeous parks works in some of the most vibrant markets and hip eateries in the Americas. It's a sprawling metropolis of some twenty million and it's full of surprises and contradictions does that make the city worth the effort it requires to explore. We're joined now by Julia Meade. She writes the Moon Guidebook to Mexico City. Julie fell in love with the city on her first. I visit some twenty years ago. She's here to help us. Explore Mexico City One neighborhood at a time Julie. What was it about Mexico City that drew you in? What about it made made you WANNA leave? California actually lived there for ten years well. It's hard to say exactly. It's the city like no other in the world and I was a young young woman early out of college and traveled there for the first time and the energy of the place the fact that it was so close to my my home in California and growing up and yet felt so different so foreign so many worlds away those things really drew me in and I wanted to feel a change in my life in that city just felt like it could bring it about it felt powerful every time I fly there. I'm just you know you connect from Houston or or wherever and issue there in a couple of hours and you realize wow wow this is a completely different cultural capital and it's not even on the radar of so many American travelers so many people go to Cancun or resorts on the West Coast and they're missing using something when they get Mexico City. What's the VIBE lately? When what are the challenges for the American visitor? What you're describing is true but it is beginning to change a lot of people have the recently recognised Mexico City is a wonderful place to visit culturally cullen narrowly so tourism has been taking off especially with sort of younger her hipster crowd? You've got a lot of cool bars lots of great foodie restaurants tons of museums and galleries a bunch of opened in the last decade so you're getting a lot more tourism than say when I first moved there in two thousand and one you know it was rare you would see a tourist maybe in the central with their backpack looking at the ruins or at the anthropology museum but now people go for all sorts of reasons they go out may go for the food they go to check out cool galleries and underground underground poetry readings so it's definitely changed over the past twenty years now when you fly in it seems like it sprawls forever in fact it's one of my favorite views out. An airplane in window is coming into Mexico City because he just think whole twenty million people or whatever it is but you know you can think of Mexico City as a collection of neighborhoods and that does make it Louisiana doesn't it it certainly does it's very provincial in a way you can go from one neighborhood to another and each one feels like its own distinct city with its own community community and vibe and things to do their glasses go through them because your book covers the city so well it pulls it down to size and we can deal with one neighborhood at a time. I volume the central historical district. What is that well? That's the oldest district in the city five hundred years ago. When the Spanish arrived in the Valley of Mexico there was it's a little island in the middle of a huge lake and that was the Aztec City of penalty that city is what today is considered the central story for the very oldest oldest neighborhood in Mexico City so that's where the Spanish after the conquest built their own capital the capital of new Spain and they named it after the people living there the Masika people as where Mexico gets its name so that little island became the founding neighborhood of Mexico City and it's got this beautiful old colonial architecture actor Zocalo? That's right the Zocalo which is the main square was it was called the plaza my yard in throughout all of the colonial era and today it's called the Zocalo because it adjoins the Federal Plaza Mayor Yeah so if you if you've been to Spain it's just it's another pleasant or every town has a great square with the Cathedral facing it didn't and it just makes sense that there you would find the colonial era era palaces chapels and grand buildings. It's a great area to explore sightseeing point of view you actually see any as remains he do and I think that's one of the most fascinating elements of visiting Mexico City in general right there right right adjoining the cathedral which the Spanish built was the most Holy Temple for the Michika people and when Cortes Conquest did the the city they raised the machine city of Tennessee teeth on and they built their city right on top of it using the same bricks from the pyramids that they feld and they ability over it so completely that everyone forgot where it was. They forgot that the city was underneath Kista doors build right on the holy spun. We're exploring during Mexico. City's neighborhoods on travel with Rick Steves with Julie meet. She's the author of the Moon Mexico City guidebook. Julie has spent more than a decade getting Mexico's is capital from its grand attractions to its earthy delays. You'll find web links to her work with this week. Show that Rick Steves dot com slash radio all right so you built your holy spot on top of their holy spot that says Okello and you decorate the whole big square with your colonial infrastructure and today tourists four hundred five hundred years later. That's the the number one thing to see probably but a lot of people are drawn to the what is it Alameda central yeah well. I'll let made a central was the first big park in in Mexico City. It was the first public strolling park and that sort of on the western end of the central and the big attraction there in my opinion is the Beautiful Full Beautiful Palacio Vegas the Palace of fine arts that does have a Diego Rivera mural in it a famous one that Rockefeller commissioned and then threw a fit when it had communist themes in it and so they relocated it to that palace but it's also just an amazing building beautiful marble building and on the inside it has one of the most host spectacular Art Deco Interiors. You can imagine so that's definitely worth a visit right on the element also what colonial era churches are there museum of several throughout the entire central story go and the Alameda that whole area is just replete with Beautiful Colonial Era Mansions palaces churches a lot of the giant convents and churches were destroyed during the reforms of the nineteenth century but there still remains of religious buildings and convents throughout the Centro. It's a really fascinating and beautiful. It's one of the most captivating places Mexico so one place that has historically been the tourist tourist zone Zona Rosa. What's that like these well? There's a robot has come and gone in terms of its fashionableness. It was very fashionable place to hang out in the a sixties and seventies it was sort of the heart of Bohemian culture and since then it's become a little less noisy chaotic. It's right next to pass a lottery forum. Is that's a lot of people passing through Kinda ugly end of tourism to me that the Warez neighborhood is a little more trendy. Isn't it right next to it. Yeah you know there's on Bosa has lots of beautiful architecture to but in the whereas you're seeing it preserved in a more historical way there aren't as many fast food restaurants. It's quieter. You know sort of gone that way more but that doesn't mean there aren't interesting things there you know there are some really great Korean restaurants because that's where a lot of the local Korean population lives so there's fun things to explore even in places that seem like they little down at heel now. They're still really interesting things to see. This is travel with Rick Steves talking with Julie Need Her book is the Moon Guide to Mexico the city and were learning just what to do when you get to this overwhelming city when you do tackle the city neighborhood at a time it is very reasonable to get your brain around it. Let's let's talk about. This is a really interesting neighborhoods visit to because it's a very old neighborhood it was one of the first places when the Aristocratic Christa caddick families wanted to start moving out of the central. They started moving into these new suburban neighborhoods right now. They feel like they're right next door. You know it's walkable between the century started going the San Rafael L. but at that time they built their mansions there it was like moving out into the country and now all of those buildings they've been there for hundreds of years and now they have mechanic shops. Send Little Tucker reas in them. It's a really vibrant neighborhood with lots of people walking around the street. There's some cool coffee shops but mostly it's just a lot of old time replaces it. That's a really fun placed explore on foot. 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