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Bonus: Ten Years

Cold

20:47 min | 1 year ago

Bonus: Ten Years

"This podcast discusses domestic violence criminal behavior murder and adult themes while not explicit listener. Discretion is advised. I this is a bonus episode of cold. I'm Dave Collie it's been ten years since Susan Powell disappeared. If you've listened to cold up to this point then you are very familiar with her story. If you are just coming to this podcast I encourage you to check out. All of the earlier episodes they will help provide context to what you are about to hear but for summary Marie Sake. Here is a brief rundown on December. Seventh two thousand nine Susan's two boys. Four year old. Charlie and two year old brayden failed to show up for daycare. It soon became clear that Susan and her husband. Josh Powell had also failed to arrive at work. That's snowy morning. Josh returned that afternoon with the boys he told police he had taken them camping. He claimed to have no idea where Susan might be or what might have become of of. Her suspicion immediately fell on Josh from both police and the public but josh was never arrested and never faced charges. Susan's body has never been found. The investigation uncovered a disturbing dynamic within the Powell family. Joshua's own father. Steve Powell had developed an infatuation with Susan. He even propositioned her. An advance. Susan refused Steph's crimes including voyeurism and possession of child pornography cost Josh custody of his sons but in two thousand twelve during a court authorized visit Josh killed himself and the boys by setting fire to a home he had rented in Washington. I recently sat down with Susan's parents chuck and Judy Cox to discuss their daughters legacy. And how the past decade has affected them. My particular things to judy for taking part as this marks the first time she has shared her perspective in the cold. podcast there's been. Something of a resurgence surgeons in the public interest in Susan Story. When I I reached out to you awhile back to me it felt like the attention had very much faded faded? And we're seeing now. You know the cable shows the dateline the podcast right and it's kind of like it's almost reaching fever pitch again. It feels like how's that been for you to see this kind of brought up again. It was hard for me reliving. The most I mean the days came back in the day. The boys died or problems. Ah they're not pleasant but I'll get through this. It's okay. Her story needs to be Out there and I can deal with that and I'm not as spokesperson as much as it's I just don't feel that comfortable in front of cameras is easy for him and just kind of personal of the family but also want to help others and I want people to know the story so so it doesn't happen to them and as you look at that ten year mark from where we were when Susan I disappeared until now how has your life changed forever. Changed in one day is forever changed and and now we become spokespersons against domestic violence and and our our path is kind of set out before us. I wondered when I retire from the way. What would I do not have to worry about that anymore? I'm going to keep doing what I can to help other people and then help Keep looking for my daughter and keep Helping people that are in this situation. Escape domestic violence possible console the The relatives and of those victims and their families and stuff. So they are they can deal with the situation that they're coming to That's great you and I when we talked For the PODCAST. You told me you know how many people had reached Out To share those stories in and when you said that to me then I hadn't had the experience of having that myself exactly and now that I've had even just a small glimmer of what you've experienced with those messages and phone calls. It's it's inspiring but it's also a very for me draining. Oh definitely it takes so much energy to show that empathy does that. Does that affect you. I think it comes natural to him. It does but it's in a good way. Yeah 'cause you know you're helping that person and and I don't take their problems on myself because you can't help them and I can't help them. They have to help themselves selves. They have to follow the advice. You give them and get to the professionals who can help them. You can't take that on you or you would go nuts the real quick so it's draining in. Its you had to be attentive immediate. Do your best but on the other hand. It's gratifying that you can help somebody in an. I'm not going to give them false hope but I will give them a realistic view and some positive things they can do for themselves. I have experienced a what they need to be watching out for and what am I can give them a realistic look. What they're smoking at? So don't base. Is your whole opinion with the police file. said I mean that's a really great point right. One of the things that has been very instructive for me is trying to understand the situation from the multitude of perspectives. EXAC as you experienced differently than the friends here in Utah experienced than the detectives experience. Then we in the media experienced absolutely ooh I'd also disliked can't believe I'm saying this. I do believe the West Valley city. Police gave it their all and they tried real hard and they did a lot of searches and they did do a lot of work a lot of people while they messed up. We always always can mess up and Do you do you think they plan that no. They were doing everything they could think of that that made sensor and they wanted a happy ending. Well it hasn't happened but they tried and may be with others. You know other stories. Police aren't Miracle Workers Third Their police in. They're trying to do their job. But we also felt frustrated about things but I I knew they were working hard and doing their best. Can you see a point Where either of you both of you say I? I've done this enough in. It's time to to stop being in front the cameras in in talking like this. I don't think he'll ever stop me. I might stay off for a period retire or something because it took me a long time to be willing to get in front of cameras or answer questions because it it hurts hurts it was nice. Things quieted down. I mean it was okay but then I get calls from a few people all about their situation and We'll see where that goes for them and and see. Maybe we can make a difference because I think it's something that people will help people. I know it house and also if they're not in this situation hopefully they're listening because who knows down the Rhode King come up an accident or you know family issue or something to where they can remember something that he said that will help them. We're going to take a pause here for a word from our sponsors but will return with more from this special interview with Chuck Can Judy Cox Marking Ten years since the disappearance of their daughter. Susan Powell right after this with the podcast. I've seen a lot of young women who are seventeen. Eighteen nineteen years old. Who are listening? Because of their age didn't hear about Susan when this was all happening and they're they're hearing it for the first time and having a very different experience than Either of US right in in living that in real time but they're but they're learning so much from it and they'll someone your age age who is what would you be. Would you be Susan's ages head so since you three years you delve. Lv into it. Did you have any clue how sick and twisted this stuff was. Even even with what I knew about Josh and Steve which which was enough to know these guys are not good role when you really look at with the close focus It is I mean the word disturbing can't even begin to cover and has changed who you are. Yes and it changed how you deal with people people and you are now better. Qualified are better able to help people and there's decisions and seeing these things differently really the thing. I was with the reason the police released. The file is because we were going to sue them if they didn't so then they released a redacted. Copy though you don't have to sue US okay. The reason they release reset the unredacted copy because we were going to sue them. Because try and get this because I want more people to look at it and work on it and the thing I didn't want because has rejected files and and seeing their files is they had all steve's garbage and I didn't WanNa look at it and I don't want to look at it I didn't have have to look at it because everybody else look a few other people looked at it and I thank you so much for putting up with it and going to that and and stuff. So it's it's just something that needed to be done in a story told that I couldn't have told as Susan's bother. I couldn't could've toll it with any credibility or any objectively would all be a question where somebody else could. And that's that's you you show me things I had no clue about the depravity or the how bad it was and I'm glad I didn't. There was one time I went to the House House. Josh was supposed to take care of the boys and Susan. I gotta go out and do something. I don't remember what it was anyway. A but she She forgot something. I have to go back and come with me okay. Let's be quiet we don't want to the boys will WANNA I don't want to have to say no okay so we're going up the stairs to the second floor and she retrieves something but as soon as I got the top the store the stairs I she looked at me she goes. Do you feel it. I go what I go. I feel uncomfortable. I not exactly happy to be here. She goes you feel the evil. She kept things in perspective that was Steep House House. Steve Pals Yeah. They reached something at the top of the stairs. Dart at I thought that was interesting that she would say that to me yet. I'll bring that up in all of that really ugly environment that she found herself in through no action of her own right aside from meeting the wrong guys for initial mistake. Yeah for her to persist as long as she did in being the champion of her own value beak so much to her character. And I honestly believe it's an inspiration. Two people who hear her story myself included so I think the boys are lot big part of it so those kids meant everything to her and she was a real good. Mother need to learn from lessons from the past for the future. And this this is one of those lessons that can be repeated off and on S. needs to be. It'll be a little differently but you know it's still the same story good versus evil trying hard and you know and one of my daughters who has rejected everything. She was raised on We'll say leave it there but anyway he's okay. I WanNa talk to you and I need your help and everything but don't tell me to about prayer or God and I'm going pray when you have a question and that's what I've done so I don't understand how anybody can handle it without that kind of support include including Susan when when I was reading through so so much of Susan's writings and she's talking about going to her bishop asking for that council going to the temple and praying about it and it seemed very important to me that that part of Susan's life experience be presented so that people can understand Dan. It's not just what any one of US perceives about. Our our personal feelings about religion aren't was important. It's what Susan believed right and doing doing justice and honor to that. And when Steve and Josh who were Steve This openly that he wants to destroy the church. Jesus Christ latter-day Saints when they say well. She didn't really like it he was all well. Let's let that was ridiculous and you know she was trying to live it Josh. We're taking advantage that when he was looking for a woman within the church search. You know the very thing he saying that he didn't care about in the only waste reasons. He stuck around. As long as she did is she was trying to follow every everything along those that the church taught and she was not given up on him. Even though it was clear to me in the beginning of this there was nothing to be true to begin as soon as I started but but once it did she was going down that road and she kept investing time and energy and and love and stuff to try. Try and bring him back and save him and all that when he was a loss case from the beginning. I don't know I would never dreamed. Winded Steve was as messed up as he was their families as messed up his. I don't know how you would ever comprehend that I don't think anyone who's not actually lived it and including myself can really understand what the dynamics of the Palley were how how strange it was. We stayed away from Steve because we figured it. He wasn't good news and wasn't a pro. We didn't have to be there so we stayed away from it. Which as most people would you just avoid those issues? He's so it's opener is to that I guess I believe there is evil. And there's certainly good and there's gardeners there's a disc Satan and I think when you go down that pass here you're subject told that aren't making bad choices you make like the responsibility was on Josh to to not make those decisions right. But also he was. Steve taught him to be who he was. And Steve's parents affected MSU brought out in there and is that a terrible i. It's just a sad waste of life. Waste of time and tragedy that his time life his steve ruined his family and his but is he a victim. And who's going to judge judge stat by STAT I. I don't know what his life was like a child. I don't know what his parents lice were. So as much as I he was and what he did in the situation he did. Who can judge that not me? It worries me when I see people. People Focus too much on Steve Right when the focus needs to be on Susan. It's about Susan and where she is. I think the right time she'll be found and if not you know there's a whole lot of people in the world let her missing people will never see they're gonna get so at least not on this earth but to to your point I mean I have that house as well yeah. There's hope so if it's been ten years years we still haven't found her living day to day as we always do and every time every time there's Zabad pound every time there's a you know could ever found somewhere we start wondering is this. The one is our awaken. Be Over. We'll we'll be able to put her whatever's left to her to rest with their but were fateful or whoever is found even even though it remains. It's still good. Take matter how hard that has to be. It's hard but I think it's harder not knowing I mean we don't know yet or you know I love to be wrong and she blocking the door sometime or get a call. Hey there's this person you know I've had dreams. Were that has happened waking up thicky. She's home they'll dream. Aw but it was a good dream you know for that day. It was a piece moment. That was If Susan story sounds familiar in your own life in other words if you or someone you know is experiencing domestic abuse in any form. Please get immediate help in the. US support is a phone. Call Away at the national domestic violence hotline at one eight hundred seven nine nine seven two three three four online at www dot the hotline dot. Org My thanks again to chuck and Judy Cox for their candor and continued. Willingness is to share their daughter. Susan's story thanks as well to my colleague Nina Ernest for her work. Editing this episode Michael Bond Miller composed the music for cold old with additional sounds and songs by me. Cold is a production of K._S._l.. podcasts thank you for listening.

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Josh Powell Pt. 2

Crimes of Passion

45:42 min | 11 months ago

Josh Powell Pt. 2

"Due to the graphic nature of these crimes listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of violence murder suicide, and the sexual abuse of minors that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under the age of thirteen. When Elizabeth Griffin Hall pulled into the driveway, the clock on her dashboard read eleven fifty seven am. She'd hardly come to a stop before seven-year-old Charlie and five year old brayden barreled out of the back seat and rushed up the front steps. They were so thrilled to see their father Elisabeth hoped it would last but she'd been in social work long enough to know that excitement had a way of turning into resentment. Strain father son relationships rarely had happy endings. She opened the car door and rose from the driver's seat her back aching as she straightened up. She walked slowly toward the porch. But before she got up the steps Josh, Powell flung the door open. The boys immediately dashed through his legs into the House. Josh gave Elizabeth. A tight lipped nod before slamming the door in her face. Elizabeth tried the knob locked through the door. She heard Josh Tell his children. He had a surprise for them. She pounded on the door rang the bell frantically she was supposed to supervise Josh's visits with the boys. He couldn't be allowed to be alone with them. As she made her way back to her car to call her supervisor, she heard one of the kids cry out. It wasn't the sound of a boy who was delighted to see his father. was a scream of terror. Hi I'm leaning hops and this crimes of passion a spotify original from cast in the legal definition crime of passion is a violent crime that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion leaving no time to reflect on the consequences. But in this show, we explore how passionate relationships sometimes lead us to criminal activity. How does a husband and wife become killer and victim or killer and co-conspirator? If there's a thin line between love and hate what manipulates our relationships into deadly results. You can find episodes of crimes of passion and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Last week we discussed. Susan Powell's fraught relationship with her husband Josh. After meeting through their local Church of Latter Day, saints in two thousand Josh Susan married quickly despite Susan's efforts to work on their relationship josh quickly became controlling and abusive. After Susan made it clear that she would seek a divorce she disappeared without a trace from their Utah home. This week, we'll talk about the police investigation into Susan's disappearance. Justice authorities were closing in on the truth a tragic crime destroy the pal family forever. We have all that and more coming up stay with us. Around two AM on December seventh two, thousand, nine, a neighbor, her twenty, eight year old Susan Powell and her husband thirty-three-year-old Josh loudly arguing. When the yelling finally stopped Josh's Blue Chrysler Minivans zoomed out of the neighborhood. When Josh and Susan both failed to show up to work or drop their two young children at daycare. The next morning, the entire Powell family was reported missing. With permission from Josh's sister Jennifer officers from the West Valley City Utah Police Department broke into the POWs home. In the master bedroom, they found Susan's purse wallet and keys untouched. It seems she either left her home in a rush or that she was forced out. In the living room, two bucks fans hummed drying damn couch. A, the upholstery had been cleaned just hours before police arrived. On a patch of tile behind the couch officers found tiny drops of blood. The situation puzzled police and terrified friends and family who frantically called Susan and Josh. Cell phones. After hours of unanswered calls, Susan's friend Giovanna finally got a hold of Josh at three o'clock in the afternoon he answered the phone nonchalantly apparently ass surprised as anybody that Susan had shown up for work that day. Giovanna told him. He needed to come home as soon as possible and talk to the authorities. But Josh wasn't in a hurry. Without giving any explanation as to why after the call he drove further away from his home with Charlie and Brayden, dozing in the back seat. He then called Susan Cell Phone and left a voicemail saying he had been confused about what day it was thinking. It was Sunday instead of Monday. He said, he was on his way to pick her up from work. A short while later he left another message telling Susan, he was waiting for her outside. Of course, Susan never came out to the parking lot. Having, spoken to Giovanna and his sister Jennifer by this point, Josh should have known she. Be pretended to be more ignorant. was. Josh in return home until five or six PM. The fact that it took him. So long to arrive made police highly suspicious. As, soon as a Blue Chrysler, minivan pulled up an officer approached the driver's side window and asked Josh where he been. Josh said he hadn't been home since the night before he claimed, he left after midnight to take his sons camping without Susan. The investigator peaked into the car and saw Charlie and Brandon to very tired looking kids strapped in car seats in the back. The camping trip story seemed obviously absurd Utah was covered in snow. The previous night had been below freezing. It made no sense for a father to take small children out intend degree weather in the middle of the night. When the officers searched Josh's car however, it was packed with camping supplies. The story was bizarre but even if it was true, it didn't mean Josh wasn't involved in his wife's disappearance. With this in mind officers continued looking through Joshua's vehicle. He had clearly taken time to prepare answers to questions about his camping trip. To catch him in a potential lie detectives needed a catch him off guard. Before I continue with Josh's psychology. Please note I. Am not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but have done a lot of research for the show. In a two, thousand, nine study published in the Journal Law and human behavior researchers found that asking surprising questions can help differentiate a liar from a truth teller. This may be because liars tend to carefully plan their stories and have more difficulty improvising. While the two thousand nine study focused on college students. Its findings were useful for those who study criminal behavior during interogations. Josh's inconsistent answers fit the pattern of a liar who felt caught off guard. It an among the camping supplies in Josh's car investigators found Susan Cell Phone with a SIM card removed. Exactly. What needed? Josh. Acted surprise at the officers discovered the device and couldn't adequately explain why it was in his car since his wife reportedly stayed home the night before. When police asked Josh where his wife might be. He said, he didn't know bellator suggested that she ran off with another man. To anybody who knew Susan, the idea that she had a secret lover was ridiculous Susan had certainly been unhappy with her marriage but she was at her core a family oriented Mormon woman. If she went anywhere voluntarily, it wouldn't have been with another man and she never would have left her children behind. Authorities however we're still getting an idea of WHO Susan Powell was. They didn't yet realize how Josh was twisting the story. After interviewing Josh briefly that evening the police told him he had to come in the next day for a proper interview. Unfortunately then also gave Josh an opportunity to cover his tracks. The. Next morning his sister Jennifer walked in on him doing just that. Jennifer parked her car and walked quickly a per brothers front porch steps. Couldn't begin to imagine what Josh was going through. If, her husband's suddenly disappeared she'd be devastated. She just hopes she could get josh some comfort and reassure him that the police would find Susan soon. As she walked through the front door Jennifer expected to find josh zoned out on the couch or frantically calling people who might have information about his wife. Instead. She found him frantically vacuuming the living room carpet. Piles of freshly cleaned but not yet voted clothes were stacked in the laundry room. The entire house smelled like bleach. Josh was short with Jennifer. He claimed he didn't have time to talk. He had to get all the cleaning done before he talked to the authorities. Jennifer didn't want to think badly of her brother, but she couldn't help remembering the damn couch from the previous morning. At first, she explained it away thinking that Charlie and Braden had probably spilled something on the upholstery. But now that she saw josh scrubbing down his entire home, she feared the worst. By the time Josh Finish, cleaning and drove to the station, he was four hours late for his scheduled interview. According to One News report the statements he made during his interrogation were evasive, disjointed and sometimes contradictory. Josh now told West Valley City police that Susan was suicidal. They'd been married for almost a decade yet josh couldn't name a single one of Susan's friends or tell officers whether or not someone might want to hurt her. He acted like he didn't know a thing about his own wife. Detectives were troubled by Josh's lack of concern. Normally when a person's significant other goes missing, they are in frequent contact with law enforcement and actively participate in the search and investigation Josh on the other hand avoided police whenever possible and seemed to be withholding potentially vital information. Right off the bat he became a prime suspect. They asked him to wait in the lobby while they searched his car a second time. Authorities assured Josh the search wouldn't take long but instead of waiting Josh left the station and picked up a rental car. With the new car Josh drove over eight hundred miles with a four hundred mile radius or around trip josh could have gone almost anywhere in Utah and into any neighbouring state. Suspiciously Josh, purchase a new cell phone during this two day trip when he was asked to surrender it to Belize they found that the SIM card was missing. And on December eighth and ninth while Josh was driving hundreds of miles is bothers steve lived in Washington state took two sick days from work. Although, Steve had a history of harassing women and his son had maintained a close relationship throughout Josh's marriage. They would often speak on the phone for hours had they met up to talk in person shortly after the crime. Is. Complicated relationship with Steve was a promising lead. Up, next on interrogates Steve Powell and find more than they bargained for. Listeners Beers a show you do not want to miss when it comes to love story is unique some play out like fairytales and some don't in our love story, the new spotify original from podcast you'll discover the many pathways to love as told by the actual couples who found them. Every Tuesday, our love story celebrates the ups downs and pivotal moments that turned complete strangers into perfect pairs. 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Authorities brought him to the station for an interrogation but while you're searching his car on December Eighth Josh rented vehicle and drove over eight hundred miles. Investigators when later suspect that Josh met up with his father Steve at some point during those two days. There were several theories about where Josh went during the forty eight hours that he had the rental car. It was possible that if Susan was dead Josh had gone to move her body. Perhaps, he met up with his father to confide the truth of what happened on December seventh. Or. Maybe they never saw each other at all. It was clear that Josh's behavior was suspicious but all the evidence authorities had thus far Susan cell phone damn couch, the blood splatter and the rented vehicle was circumstantial. Nothing definitively linked Josh to a crime nothing showed for certain that a crime had been committed at all. After December Eighth Josh shunned his family friends and police. For, a man who usually had to be the center of attention he was suddenly eerily quiet. Nobody he knew ever heard from him and he never reached out to law enforcement to ask for updates about the investigation. In the meantime officers interviewed Susan's Family and friends who painted a much different picture of her marriage than Josh had. According to them Susan was a devoted Mormon and a doting mother. The idea she left her children behind to be with someone else was unthinkable. Close. Friends showed police emails in which Susan confided the turmoil in her relationship and explicitly stated that she feared her husband. One friend pointed detectives to Susan Safe Deposit box where a year and a half before she disappeared, she hidden a secret will in the document. Susan. wrote that she did not trust her husband and requested that. Her death, her parents be given custody of her kids. Near the end Susan Road. If I die, it may not be an accident. Even if it looks like one. Officers also spoke to an acquaintance who talked to. Josh at a Christmas party in two thousand eight according to the man Josh Meade unsettling comments about how he would get away with a perfect murder by hiding the body and one of the approximately twenty thousand abandoned mineshafts across Utah. Josh said, no, one would ever think to search there. Of course police now knew exactly where they needed to look if Susan had indeed been murdered by her husband. The problem was searching that many mineshafts wasn't just dangerous. It was practically impossible. The newest round of interviews also shed light on Steve Pals disturbing behavior toward Suzanne. Josh's father had stalked and harassed his daughter-in-law. So it was possible that he might have had a hand in her disappearance. On December seventeenth, ten days after Susan was reported missing West. Valley city police question. Steve. In his interviews, Steve Openly admitted his infatuation with Susan. But try to make the imagined romance seem consensual. Although Susan turned Steve Down and move nearly nine hundred miles just to get away from him. He somehow believe that the two of them shared a mutual affection. His delusion was unsettling, but he had an alibi for December seven. He spent the day at home with three of his children. Besides. Josh Steve had one other child who didn't live with him Jennifer she was the one who previously gave police the okay to search Josh and Susan's home. Now. She Sat for an interview and painted a picture of a twisted and damaging family situation and Steve Pals home. Jennifer claimed that her father had a serious pornography problem and that strange sexual behaviors including his voyeurism were normalized in his home. When she was a child Steve left pornographic images pulled up on his computer and magazines such as playboy laying out where she or her four siblings could easily stumble upon them. This inadvertent exposure to pornography at such a young age, traumatize Jennifer and likely did the same to her siblings? According to Researchers Antonia Kwara and Elie Sarre. Elmar from the Australian Institute of Family Studies Pornography while not inherently problematic can have far reaching effects on young people. According to Dr Code and Dr Elmore male adolescents who view pornography frequently are more likely to view women as sex objects, hold sexist attitudes and strengthen attitude supportive of sexual violence and violence against women. This is significant and places like the United States were approximately one in six women will experience rape or sexual violence. Pornography can encourage the idea male sexual aggression as acceptable or desirable. MISOGYNISTIC attitudes were pervasive in Steve's house each cheated on and berated his wife who eventually left him. He kept images of pinup models on his bedroom walls. Josh was exposed to pornography at a young age and evidence would later reveal that he like his father regularly viewed pornography as an adult. With all this in mind. It's easy to see where Josh's penchant for controlling and be rating Susan was nurtured. Jennifer told police that she had no doubt that her brother was capable of hurting or even killing Susan. Officers believed her all of the evidence they had pointed to a murder perpetrated by Josh though Steve May have somehow been involved to. Still, as unlikely as it seemed, it was also possible that Susan had left of her own volition. Without any concrete evidence that a crime had occurred authorities were stuck. Since detectives didn't have enough probable cause to obtain a search warrant for the POWs home. Josh had even more time to cover up potential evidence though he remained the prime suspect Josh was a completely free man. When he decided to take his children and moving with his father in January two, thousand ten, just a month after Susan disappeared. Officers couldn't do anything to stop him. To Belize the move. Made it clear that Josh? New? Susan wasn't ever coming home. Susan's parents Charles, and judy try to hold onto hope that their daughter would be found. But Josh's move infuriated them. They couldn't sit idly by while he took their grandchildren to live with Steve. Following the instructions Susan put in her will Charles and Judy attempted to get custody of Charlie and Brayden. Without any concrete evidence than Josh was an unfit father however, there was next to nothing Charles and Judy could do to get custody. Charlie and Braden lived in Steve's house which was no place for. Children. Charles and Judy were hurt but they weren't out of options. Jennifer was dead set on getting justice for her sister-in-law and offered to wear a wire to get josh to confess on tape. On January twenty, second two, thousand, ten, she attended a family dinner at Steve's home while officers listened from a vehicle parked down the street. Jennifer stomach fluttered as she walked inside her father's home. She thought wearing the wire might make her feel powerful like a secret agent. But. Now she just felt vulnerable worried that Josh and Steve would discover the tiny microphone at any moment. She went through the motions at the awkward family dinner forcing herself to eat even though her appetite had been zapped by nerves. All she needed was a moment alone with her brother to try to trip him into an accidental confession. When Josh stood and headed to the restroom after dinner Jennifer, seize the opportunity. She waited in the hallway for him to open the door then cornered him her heart pounding in her ears. Working hard to keep her voice steady. She asked Josh what he did to his wife. She watched as her brothers face suddenly grew hard. With a cold detachment in his voice, he told Jennifer that he wasn't allowed to talk to anybody about Susan's disappearance. All the time his face remained impassive STOIC a stone. Jennifer even tried accusing Josh of murder right but he was impossible to shake. Her eyes filled with tears. She hardly recognized him anymore. Jennifer ran out of Steve's house in a fury. The police assured her she done everything she could. But she nevertheless blamed herself for not getting a confession. It was their one chance and she'd failed. Although detectives didn't want to admitted Jennifer at the time the confession really had been there last real hope. Unless. They uncovered a piece of physical evidence linking Josh to Susan's disappearance. They wouldn't be able to get a warrant for his arrest. He could keep living in Washington would steve and authorities couldn't do anything about it. They continued conducting interviews and some of the Safer Mineshafts in Utah the months passed with no new leads. In the meantime, though public pressure on Josh increased eve is still the only suspect police publicly named in Susan's disappearance to news outlets reporting on the case he was the obvious corporate. In response to the scrutiny sixty, one year old Steve and thirty five year old Josh went on a bizarre media crusade. Their goal seemed to be to Redeem Josh by slandering Susan. Steve told reporters from ABC, News that Susan was flirtatious and that they had shared a mutual attraction. Josh said he believed his wife may have left him for another man because she was a very sexual person. The way. Characterize Susan. Was Out of touch with the way every other person she knew described her. Josh. Also told ABC News that Susan was unstable citing entries from her journals in which she wrote about normal downs of adult life. He once again suggested that if she didn't leave him, she may have died by suicide. Authorities were interested in Josh's mention of Susan's diaries. If they could access her writings, they might be able to learn more about the true nature of her relationship with Josh. Detectives. Had A hunch that josh was storing the journals at Steve's home meaning they need a search warrant to get them. So in August of two thousand eleven, officers came up with a plan. If, they could get steve or Josh to admit they had Susan's journals then they could get a warrant to search Steve's home. To do this authorities organized a honking wave with Charles Cox, near Steve's home. On the surface, it looked like an effort to keep up awareness of the search for Susan. In reality, however, it was an operation designed to infuriate Steve and Josh. Police new. The two men wouldn't be able to resist a chance to make themselves the center of attention. When drove by the honking wave on August twentieth two thousand eleven Stephen Josh pulled over to argue with Susan's family. The insisted that Josh was the real victim because media outlets were making him out to be a villain. More, importantly, they admitted Susan's journals were at Steve's house with this admission West, Valley city police were able to obtain the search warrant. When officers entered the house however, they found much more than Susan's diaries. Hidden. In Steve's bedroom investigators discovered a cache of items he'd saved from when Susan and Josh lived with him shortly after they got married almost a decade prior. In carefully, labeled and dated Ziplock BAGGIES Steve had Susan's use cotton balls, Tampon applicators, and even pieces of her hair her. Clothing items that he'd. Out of her laundry still unwashed. He had a journal of his own in which he documented his growing obsession with his daughter-in-law. Incredibly, this wasn't the worst thing detectives uncovered. They found almost forty, five, hundred photographs of Susan, nearly all of which were clearly taken without her consent or knowledge. To make matters worse Susan. Wasn't the only object of Steve's infatuation. He had countless tapes of women and girls from around the neighborhood, some of which showed them walking outside, and some of which were filmed through half opened blinds or curtains. Steve even have videos of children as young as eight years, old bathing and changing clothes. On September. Twenty second two thousand eleven officers placed sixty two year old Steve Powell under arrest on charges of felony voyeurism and child pornography. Charlie inbreeding then six and four years old were taken into protective care. Almost, immediately, Charles and Judy received custody of their grandchildren. They were ecstatic to have the children back in a safe environment. 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Just one month after Susan. Powell went missing in the early morning of December seventh two, thousand, nine Josh Powell took their two children to Washington to move in with his father Steve. Though police suspected Josh murdered his wife they had no hard evidence. Thus they couldn't restrict his movements, place him under arrest or honor Susan's wish that her parents received custody of her children. Almost. Two years later and September two thousand eleven officers arrested Steve Is Felony. VOYEURISM and child pornography. Following the arrest, Josh and Susan Sons Six year old Charlie and four-year-old Brayden were placed in the care of Susan's parents, Charles and Judy. Both grandparents soon notice stark changes in the boys, personalities and behavior. They were very attached to their father and clearly distressed to be away from him. However they were also aggressive and angry. They must have learned their behavior from somewhere and Charles and Judy had no doubt that Stephen Josh were responsible. No matter how badly Charlie inbreeding wanted to see their father. Susan's parents knew Josh was a bad influence. Their worries only intensified after the boys began talking about the night, their mother disappeared. According to Charles and judy the boy said that when they left to go camping on December seventh. Mommy was in the trunk. The statement was horrifying. Charles. Judy took their grandson's to counseling and tried to tell police about what the boy said but the veracity of children's statements was and still is controversial. A series of studies performed since the nineteen eighties found the children were more prone to false memories than adults in this belief became pervasive in courts and law. Enforcement. A more recent investigation however called this belief into question and two thousand Twelve Cornell University researchers, Charles, brainerd, and Ballerina gathered new evidence that suggests children may not be any more prone to false memories than adults and can often provide testimony that is quite accurate. Dr Bernard and Dr Arena wrote that according to current scientific evidence. The principle that children's testimony is necessarily more infected with false memories and adults in that jury should regard adults testimony as necessarily more faithful to actual events is untenable although Charlie inbreeding statements could have based. In fact, officers were nevertheless reluctant to take their comments as evidence, but Charles, and Judy believe the boys were revisiting repressed memories from December seventh and that those recollections might be the key to discovering what happened to Susan. In the following months, Josh, trying to regain custody of his sons while the boys made even more disturbing confessions. Both of them told their grandparents that they often slept naked at their father's house and sometimes shared a bed with him. Charles and judy feared was hurting the boys psychologically and perhaps even sexually. Luckily police found the evidence they needed to deny Josh's custody request by early two, thousand, twelve, they reexamined items. Eight originally sees from Susan and Josh's home in Utah. After they got past the firewalls on Josh's computer. They allegedly found over four hundred animated images of well known cartoon characters engaging in sex acts. The images contain depictions of incest and. Underage. Characters. If they hadn't been animated, they would have been illegal to possess. According to Dr James Manley the psychologists tasked with analyzing Josh the reviewed images indicate someone's fantasy lead in view of having sex with children. Josh however, fervently denied allegations of viewing or downloading any such material on his computer. He admitted that he did use pornography but insisted that he always made sure the actors were of age. Josh likely pointed out that it took nearly two years from the time. Police seized his computer to win. They reportedly found the images. In. That time he suggested West Valley city police could have planted evidence against him. In any case, the images meet authorities wary of giving Josh custody of his children. The court higher Dr James Manley to evaluate whether or not josh was fit to care for Charlie and breed. Although, Dr, Manley said, the children clearly had a strong bond with their father. He nevertheless rejected the custody request. According to him, Josh suffered from an adjustment disorder with traits of narcissism which left him too focused on his own desires to properly meet Charlie and Brandon's needs. Furthermore Dr mainly found the images on Josh's computer highly disturbing. On February first, two, thousand, twelve at Dr Manley suggestion. The court ordered Josh to undergo a psycho sexual evaluation and a polygraph test to determine whether or not he post an active threat to his children. It's impossible to know exactly how Josh Feld, when he was notified of the court ordered evaluation. It's clear however that the test threatened to reveal a part of his mind that would likely cause him to lose custody of his children for good. It was a piece of himself. He would do anything to keep secret. Josh must have believed that his time as a freeman was waning. He would likely lose his children and if police asked the right questions, the polygraph might reveal the truth of what happened to Susan. He decided that if he couldn't have his children, nobody could. A few minutes before seven year old Charlie and five year old Brayden arrived for their supervised visitation on February fifth two, thousand twelve. Josh left voicemail for his family members. He said. I'm calling to say goodbye I am not able to live without my. And I am not able to go on anymore. Just before noon that day the social worker, a woman named Elizabeth Griffin. Arrived at the House Josh was renting. Charlie and breed sprinted too fast for her to keep up. Josh let the boys in gave Elizabeth a nod and slammed the door. Through the door. Elizabeth. Heard a child scream and she scrambled to call nine one one. According to Elizabeth Josh Powell's House lit up just a few minutes later as she sat helplessly waiting for help to arrive. By the time officers finally showed up they were too late. Josh let the House on fire and it burned. So fiercely that neighbor said, it looked like an explosion. Authorities finally entered the residence they found Josh Charlie and Brayden dead in the same room. A hatchet lay near Josh's body. An autopsy would later that all three of the Powles died of carbon monoxide poisoning but Charlie and Brayden had also sustained wounds to their necks before the fire took over. For everyone but for Charles and judy in particular, the tragedy was too awful to put into words. Neither of them could find the will to speak not to reporters not to family or friends not even to each other. A person Judy thought could only handle so much. Her mind was a jumble of sorrow for her grandchildren fury for the harm. Josh did to their family and somehow the tiniest sliver of hope that her daughter was still alive somewhere. All of these things she felt an equal overwhelming measure her heart couldn't handle it. Her whole body felt numb. Her only solace came from having Charles beside her. She didn't have to explain these things to him. They live the nightmare together. And together, they would have to pull themselves out. They had to find a way to honor their daughter and to make sure their grandchildren didn't die in vain. Everyone in Susan's family was shocked and horrified by Charlie and Brandon's deaths. As of Susan's disappearance wasn't awful enough now Susan sons the two people she would have done anything four more gone. Josh, me have avoided the court's ruling. Many reporters saw his suicide as proof that he was guilty of the murders of both his children and his wife. Jennifer now estranged from her siblings and her father agreed. For Charles and judy the worst part of Charlie and deaths was the fact that they had worn the court and the police numerous times that Josh was dangerous. They saw his violence coming they did everything they could to keep the boys away from him. Yet, the state of Washington ignored their pleas, putting Josh's rights as a father ahead of Charlie and Britain's right to safety. Although, Josh, the assumed perpetrator was dead police continue to search for Susan or her remains throughout the entire investigation authorities traveled through the states and searched more than four hundred mines. Still no conclusive evidence was recovered. In May two thousand, thirteen officers ended the active phase of their search. Years Past. With no new leads. Steve Powell was released from prison on parole in two thousand seventeen. Many people. Hope that as he near the end of his life, he would reveal any knowledge he had about where Susan might be. Unfortunately, Steve died at the age of sixty eight of a heart attack in two thousand eighteen. The only person left who might have been to provide closure on the case was gone. By January, two thousand, Nineteen Charles and Judy had filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the State of Washington and it was allowed to proceed. In July two, thousand twenty, a jury ruled that Washington. State officials were partially liable for the debts of seven year old Charlie and five year old Brayden. Charles and Judy Cox were awarded more than ninety, eight, million dollars. In a statement to a local Utah newspaper Charles said. Nothing can bring back the boys but this is the end of a nightmare and it's gratifying here at jury tell the state they were wrong and to award a verdict that will force them to change and make sure this doesn't happen to other children in the future. Charles and Judy established foundation and Susan Charlie and Britain's honor that provides support for families with missing loved ones and victims of domestic violence. They continue to hold out hope that their daughter will one day be found. Thanks again for tuning into crimes of passion, we'll be back Wednesday with another episode. You can find more episodes of crimes of passion and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify. We'll see you next time when true love meets true crime. Crimes of passion was created by Max Color and as a spotify original from podcast excecutive producers include Max Ron Cutler sound design by Trent Williamson with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden and Freddie Beckley. This episode of Crimes Of, Passion, was written by Cares Allen with writing assistance by Tarot Wells I'm leaning Hobbs. Don't forget to check out our love story the newest spotify original from podcast every Tuesday discover the many pathways to love as told by the actual couples who found them listen to our love story free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

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"Due to the graphic nature of this episode listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of emotional abuse child pornography and murder that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen on December. Sixth two thousand nine snow fell lightly on the roof of Susan and Josh Powell's home in suburban West Valley City Utah just eleven miles outside of Salt Lake City. Twenty eight year old. Susan was exhausted or two. Young boys were running around the house and she was struggling to keep up. His wasn't the life she dreamed of but it was the one she had. Susan had spent the last few hours knitting blankets for her two sons. The one for her oldest Charlie had come out fine but the other for two year. Old Brayden was a disaster. Luckily she knew the perfect person to call for how it was early evening. When her friend? Giovanna owings came over. Susan wasn't feeling well and appreciated Giovanna 's willingness to help out as they make progress on the blanket Susan's husband. Josh went into the kitchen to prepare dinner when they all sat down to eat. Giovanna thought it was sweet. That Josh Served Susan her food first but she could tell. There was some tension. Nevertheless she held her tongue. Susan's marriage was none of her business. After dinner they kept working on the blanket but Susan was getting more tired with each passing minute soon. She excused herself claiming she felt tired and was going to lie down. Giovanna stayed help finish the blanket but at five thirty PM. Josh said he and the kids were going out sledding. She took it as her cue to leave and glanced back toward the bedroom. She hoped Susan would feel better soon. But that wouldn't be the case by the next morning the entire family was missing and Susan would never be found. Welcome to gone a podcast original molly. And I'm Richard every other Monday. We examined mysterious disappearances and the theories they spawned from the Amber Room to Michael Rockefeller Picasso paintings to the entrusting language the roanoke colony to the lost Russian cosmonauts. If it's gone we're looking for it. You can find all episodes have gone and all other are cast. Originals for free on spotify. Or wherever. You LISTEN TO PODCASTS. To Stream Gone Freon spotify. Just open the APP and type gone in the search bar at podcast cast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network? And if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening. It really does help today. We're looking into the disappearance of Susan Powell. A mother of two from a quiet suburb outside of Salt Lake. City UTAH. Despite the Powell families picture-perfect exterior the in crisis after years of marital strife Susan vanished on the evening of December. Sixth two thousand nine. Two theories have emerged to explain what might have happened to her. Some believe that Susan may have dropped everything and run away with the lover others think that Susan never had a chance to leave because her jealous husband Josh murder. Susan Cox was a precocious ten year old. When her parents moved to the suburbs of Tacoma Washington in nineteen ninety one she was the third of four girls and her parents were used to having their patients tested the household as a whole was incredibly loving. There were also deeply religious and regularly attended a local Mormon temple. Susan's faith became a cornerstone of her life and dictated many of her decisions. She and her three sisters often played music and saying during Church Services. Her happy supportive. Upbringing helped Susan grow into confident. Bubbly Young Woman. She was extremely outgoing and her classmates knew her for her great sense of humor. She was popular and widely liked by the time she started high school. Susan had planned out her entire life. She was going to marry the perfect Mormon guy and open up a business with her sisters. A beauty parlour groomer hybrid where pet owners and their animals could both get their hair done. They were going to call it. Beauty and your beast. It was a fun youthful dream as Susan. Got Older or goals became more grounded. But she never let go of her love of the beauty industry when she was eighteen. A local cosmetology school offered her a scholarship and she sees the opportunity when Susan graduated from High School in two thousand. Her Future was looking bright. She dove headfirst into her classes at beauty school. She was often spotted around town in her car. Upon closer inspection passersby would notice a pile of practice mannequin heads strewn across the back seat. Susan's friends were always sporting new hairdos. Susan had styled. While Susan worked hard in school she was still completely committed to the church and she was still looking for a future. Mormon husband which was incredibly important in her religion. The summer after she graduated high school she began to attend singles functions. That are local temple there. Eighteen year old. Susan met twenty-three-year-old Josh Powell. It wasn't love at first sight when he invited her to a dinner party at his apartment she turned him down however a few weeks later. Susan changed her mind and took him up on the offer. Maybe they were more people. She could meet their but surprisingly at the party. She found herself drawn to Josh. He was a little Dorky but she liked his dry sense of humor. He was different from the boys she'd met in high school. He seemed more adult. Sure he'd never gone on his mission which was considered a pre Iraq for a good Mormon husband but he was in church now so Susan believed his faith was pure class. Josh was enrolled in the business program at the University of Washington Tacoma which meant he was thinking of the future. She decided to stay late after one of his dinner parties to help him clean up and wound up staying over. They talked early into the next morning falling asleep while whispering secrets to one another. He told her his parents divorced when he'd been a teenager. And the turbulent home. He'd grown up in. He wanted a tough line with his dad was not only agnostic but staunchly. Anti Mormon citizens sympathized with Josh's struggles and admired his appearance commitment to the faith. They soon began to date. After only two months Josh proposed to Susan and she said Yes while it may have seemed fast to those outside of the community too many Mormons. It isn't unusual. The couple was married in a small ceremony at the Portland Oregon Temple in April. Two Thousand One shortly after the wedding. They decided to move in with Josh's father. Steve Powell the couple one to save money after all Josh needed to pay off his student loans however the life they found in Steve's home was less than ideal the house was crowded several of Joshua's siblings were living there with their families. To and Josh's Dad was odd. He often had his video camera on hand and recorded everything. He came across even the most private moments and often without permission. That wasn't the only source of frustration. Citizens started to feel pressure. Put Her dreams on hold. Josh was close to graduating with his bachelors and neither knew where they go after he got his degree. If he found a job out of state she didn't know if she could finish beauty school but Susan told herself didn't matter she loved Josh so she was okay waiting for him to make the big decisions about their lives in two thousand two. Josh graduated from the University of Washington Tacoma with a business degree it was joyous time for both his hard work. It paid off and they were going to really start their life together but Joshua's various business plans never panned out. He lacked follow through. He got an entry level job. But they stayed at Steve's House Josh couldn't afford to pay off his loans and make rent and things were own getting stranger at home. Stephen taken an odd liking to his daughter-in-law he regularly made awkward comments about Susan's body. She acted as if nothing was happening. Only shrugging them off. Hoping he'd get the hint but Steve Only escalated his attention. Susan could tell someone was going through her laundry sometimes. Her underwear would go missing. She tried to ignore it. It might have been one of her young nephews just playing around but she could never shake the thought that it could have been Steve. Two in two thousand and three things came to ahead. Josh had considered becoming a commercial truck driver and Susan went along with him to a practice class for moral support. She was waiting for Josh's class to finish when Steve called and offered to drive her home. She agreed but on the road. He professed his love for her. Susan was floored but she kept her cool. She laughed off his advances as nothing more than a joke and kept quiet for the rest of the ride when they got home. Susan went to her room and waited for Josh when he finally got back. She told him they needed to leave. It was non-negotiable. There were only a few places they could afford to go one being Salt Lake City. Where one of Josh's sisters lived. They packed everything and left on Christmas. Eve thousand three for a year. The couple lived with Josh's sister then in two thousand four. They bought their own home. Initially Susan. Hope. This was a fresh start. But their marriage only went downhill. Josh couldn't hold down a job and Susan had to pick up his slack. She gave up her dream of her own does Matala she business accepting a job at wellsfargo. Josh was frustrated by the turn their lives and taken and stopped attending church. Susan was even more disappointed in his lack of faith. But just as the mirrored seemed unsalvageable. She discovered she was pregnant. Josh seemed really excited to be a father so he and Susan committed to making things work in two thousand five. Susan gave birth to their first son. Charley and then two years later Raden came into their lives. Josh and Susan adored the boys unconditionally but their love for one another was routinely tested. Josh was increasingly controlling. He Criticize Susan for tithing or giving ten percent of her earnings to the church. She in turn became disappointed in his lack of business sense. This was never more apparent than the time he decided to become an independent real estate agent. He'd never sold a piece of property before but he signed a contract with the yellow pages for over eighty thousand dollars worth of advertisements. He quickly lost interest in the idea and stopped paying for the ADS. It didn't take long for yellow pages to file a lawsuit. Susan worked tirelessly to bring in enough money to afford groceries for her family and work off Josh's debts. She was still a dreamer but her dreams were a lot smaller now. She just wanted to be able to hold everything together. Her life was a far cry from what she thought it would be when she was eighteen. By two thousand eight their relationship wasn't shambles. She became increasingly worried that he would do something rash but she stuck with him because of her unwavering Mormon faith in the LDS church. A marriage is eternal and unbreakable even if the couple legally divorces God put Josh in her life for a reason and she wanted her kids to have a conventional family and either way she couldn't just leave. She knew Josh would do anything to keep the boys with him. She didn't seriously think he'd ever hurt his sons but she wasn't sure he'd be so protective of her. Just in case in two thousand eight she wrote a letter and put it in a safety deposit box. She told her co worker that if anything happened to her even if it looked like it was an accident. Josh had probably done something she told them the letter would explain everything. Eighteen months later she vanished coming up the day Susan disappeared. Hi It's molly. I'm so excited for you to check out the new podcast original series daily quote. If you haven't had a chance to hear it yet daily quote is two to three minute. 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The boys absence was unusual and Susan ignoring her phone even more so debbie hopped into her car to visit. Susan at home. They've been dusting of snow the night before and Moore was on. Its Way. The roads were a little slack. Nothing UNUSUAL FOR UTAH. It was bitterly cold as debbie stepped out of her car. She couldn't see that anyone was home but it was hard to tell from the street. Debbie walked up to the door and knocked no answer. She Tried Josh's phone but the results were the same. She appeared in the window but couldn't see anything. Debbie was getting worried only a few weeks before another local family had been killed by carbon monoxide poisoning in their home. She hoped the Powell's had met the same fate. Debbie called Joshua's sister Jennifer to see if she knew anything. Jennifer was just as concerned as Debbie. When she heard the boys hadn't shown up for daycare they decided to call the police and ask for a welfare check less than an hour later. A squad car. Roll down the street and pulled into the driveway. The officer was polite and agreed to take a look around. He glanced through the window but couldn't see anything. He has Jennifer if you had permission to enter the premises in. She granted it. The patrolman broke a window and climbed into the House then. He came around and unlocked the door for Debbie and Jennifer. The first thing they noticed was music. It came from a stereo in the living room. As did the sound of a box fan humming by the couch. The Fan was pointed at a damn spot on the carpet and furniture. Something had been cleaned up since it was still slightly wet. He knew the family hadn't been gone long. They called out for the Powell's no answer. The officer checked each of the bedrooms. Nobody was home but they noted a few clues. Susan's purse was on the cabinet in the hallway and when they went to check the garage. The mini van was missing Jennifer new. The Powell's wouldn't just leave town without telling her first and Susan definitely wouldn't leave her purse behind. They continued to phone. Josh Hoping He'd answer and tell them that was fine. Jennifer couldn't bear to wait around in the eerily empty house. She went home where the hours stretched on still no word from her brother and his family while the clock ticked the police department put together a search team. A few hours later lead detective. Ls Maxwell arrived the Powell residents as he stepped out of the patrol car. He noticed a group of neighbors gathered outside. The neighbors. Were happy to talk to the detective. All defending Susan. She would never have done anything like this without telling them I. Her boys were her world and she wouldn't just take off disrupting their schedules. Josh on the other hand was a different story he was impulsive. The neighbors hoped that this was just another one of Josh's last minute trips that he'd simply convinced Susan in the boys to come along. They probably come home soon. Meanwhile word of the Powell's disappearance was spreading at three PM Giovanna owning the last person to see Susan alive got wind of the gossip. Her son was home from school and decided to call Josh to his utter shock. Josh answered panicked her son Hung Up. Giovanna grabbed his phone and called back. It rang rang and rang. When suddenly there was a click and meek answer it was Josh. Giovanna was square. Confirm with their questions. Where was he? Did he have the boys with him? Where was Susan? When was he coming home? He should know the police were looking for him. Joshes answers came slowly and he stammered through slightly confused. He had his sons and they were going to be back soon despite Yavuz please. He quickly hung up. It was a relief to know Charlie in Brayden were safe but Giovanna couldn't shake nagging feeling deep inside that all of the problems were just beginning two hours later. Josh called his sister Jennifer she answered but like Giovanna. She was concerned by his tone. He didn't give a concrete nation for where he'd gone and he hung up abruptly after getting off the phone. Jennifer raced over to the Powell House to wait for Josh there. She found detective Ellis Maxwell and filled him in the detective immediately called Josh from her phone and told him he needed to come home now at six forty pm. Josh drove up the street past the police cars and onlookers before he pulled into his driveway. Detective Maxwell was the first one to make it to the car from the driver's seat. Josh only stared at him blankly. It seemed that he didn't care that so many people were looking for him. Maxwell saw the two children in the back. But there was no sign of Josh's wife Susan however the detective noticed her phone on the passenger seat. He asked the Josh where his wife was. But Josh said that he had no idea he'd last seen her the night before but he'd been gone all day. He taken the boys out on a camping trip. That answer made little sense. Why would josh go out camping in the middle of the night with his two young sons? And why would he take his wife cellphone on top of that? It had been Sunday evening. Just a few hours before Josh was supposed to go to work and it was snowing. Maxwell told Josh that he needed to come to the police station for questioning. Josh agreed and trailed Maxwell's car he let the investigators know that he would help them in any way that he could but he was adamant that he hadn't seen Susan's since the night before at the police station. Josh was taken into a small room there. Maxwell asked Josh if he had any idea where Susan could be. Josh said he simply had no idea. Maxwell kept on questioning. Josh gave shifty answers. He claimed he'd gone to a place called Simpson Springs campground to try out some new camping equipment. He said he'd simply lost track of time thinking. It was Saturday instead of Sunday drew maxwell. Josh seemed extremely uninterested in helping locate Susan. He didn't show any sense of urgency regarding her disappearance. He just kept repeating that. He didn't know why she'd left. Everything about their marriage had seemed fine to him. It was frustrating. But there was only so much they could do. Maxwell let Josh go after their interrogation after all he hadn't been accused of anything at nine PM on December seventh. Two thousand nine. Josh Powell drove home again and parked his van. Neighbors later reported that they saw the light in the garage all night long and heard the sounds of cleaning by the next morning word. Got Out that. A suburban woman had gone missing under mysterious circumstances. The local news station followed the case closely two days later on December ninth. Detectives were back at the Powell residence. This time with a search warrant they were going to see if they could find any new information that could lead them to Susan in the living room by the Fan. They came across a few droplets of blood on the bottom half of the wall. They swabbed these incent them back to a lab for tests. The carpet gave up no clues. It had been thoroughly cleaned and didn't have any traces of blood. The van was completely cleaned out. Glaze were only able to find the camping supplies. That Josh had claimed he was testing the next day. The investigators drove out to Simpson's springs were. Josh claimed he'd gone with his two boys. But the harsh landscape offered no clues it had been snowing for the past three days and any tracks that could have been left were obscured. It was a vast desolate wilderness. And the police were unable to locate his supposed- campsite to an outsider. Looking in it appeared. Susan had been killed and Josh was prime suspect. His later behavior only made things worse. Josh quit his job. After Susan disappeared then pulled his two sons at daycare and on December fourteenth. He hired a lawyer claiming he was tired of being badgered authorities. Ten days later on December twenty four. Th Josh was publicly named a person of interest in Susan's disappearance it was the best that the West Valley Police Department could do. After all there was still no physical evidence. Even so suspicion was growing in the community and Josh wanted out of Salt Lake City from the sideways glances in the grocery store to the looks of judgment from his neighbors. He couldn't take it on January. Sixth Two thousand ten. Josh packed up his belongings and headed back to Washington. The police were powerless to stop him a month. After his wife went missing he too was gone and the moment he left. He stopped helping authorities altogether. The chances of finding Susan Alive diminish coming up theories on what happened to Susan. Was she a runaway in love or a victim of a tragedy. Now back to the story it had been. Nearly a year's in Susan Powell disappeared on December. Sixth two thousand nine. The authorities were fairly certain that she'd been murdered but they had no physical evidence to prove it. Their main person of interest Susan's husband. Josh Powell was hundreds of miles away. He and his two boys were living in Puyallup. Washington was the Josh's father Steve. He hadn't cooperated with the investigation since he left Utah. Meanwhile Josh and his son settled in with Steve. It had been six years since Josh's father hit on his wife causing the couple to move away but josh felt perfectly at home with Steve even better. The police attention wasn't so intense in Washington and out of the spotlight. Josh could look after his boys without judgment. Meanwhile he and Steve Tried to answer the accusations with their own version of events. They had a theory and they were going to let the media know about it. Josh and Steve said that Susan had run away to be with another man named Stephen. Coacher coacher was a thirty year old from Saint George a town in southwest Utah. They claim that he'd gone missing around the same time as Susan. Steve and Josh had Susan's diaries and claim that this wasn't the first time she lusted. After another man. In fact they said that Susan and coacher had been entangled in extramarital affair. Supposedly Susan had left to right after Josh wink camping with the boys she met up with coacher and they flew away together to Brazil coach. I was familiar with the country since he served as mission there the were shocking and completely out of character for Susan. It's nearly impossible to analyze this theory. Josh didn't offer any evidence to suggest that Susan had ever even met Stephen Coacher. In fact phone records showed that there was never any contact between the two of them coach. You're also had gone missing on December thirteenth. Two thousand nine almost a full week after Susan on top of that while he was from Utah. He'd gone missing in Henderson. Nevada local security cameras captured the last time. Coacher was seen the video showed him walking down a cul de sac in Nevada alone too many including Susan's parents. It seemed Josh was using this alleged affair to deflect attention away from himself and he'd only want to create red herrings because he was responsible for Susan's disappearance Susan's family and the local authorities long suspected that he'd murdered his wife. Even Susan herself testified to that possibility after her disappearance. The police located her safety deposit. Box the one. She told her co worker about inside was a videotape and a handwritten letter in the letter. She wrote her marital problems with Josh. And how she feared for her life if anything happened to her. She insisted that it would be Joshua's fault of you of her friends told authorities that before she vanished. Susan had given Josh an ultimatum. If they didn't fix their marriage she'd leave with the boys in the spring. Allegedly Josh couldn't deal with that possibility. Instead he killed Susan and left her body somewhere out in the Utah Desert. The evidence seemed to support this theory. A lab confirmed that the blood found on the homes wall was Susan's police. Also discovered that Josh had cashed out Susan's retirement fund and had placed a one point five million dollar life insurance policy on her where he was the sole beneficiary. However all of this still wasn't enough to charge Josh. Police didn't have a weapon. Or even any conclusive evidence that Susan was dead. The best lead they had was the blood but Susan have lived in her home for years. It wasn't unheard of for a trace amount of blood to have been splattered on the wall after a minor cut and with two small children spills on the carpet and couch were par for the course. Answers were allusive for detective. Maxwell and the West Valley Police Department with Josh. Out of the State. It was even harder to conduct an investigation. As the years passed they were unable to Locate Susan. Alive or dead since they couldn't find her. It was impossible to tie any evidence back to Josh. Coacher or anyone else but the PAO family saga was far from over in September. Two Thousand Eleven Police in Utah uncovered a suspected burial site in the middle of the desert officials in Washington rated Steve Pals home. He had a strong alibi for the night of her disappearance but they hope they'd find some kind of evidence awesomely. Something Josh had brought with him when he moved from Utah Instead. They found countless hard drives full of elicit videos and images many involve minors in some have been recorded by Steve. The police also found old videos of Steve Stocking Susan without her knowledge on September. Twenty Third Two Thousand Eleven Steve Powell was arrested on charges of child pornography and voyeurism. Nothing they found in Steve's home could be used to explain Susan's case and the search in the desert also turned up. Nothing but josh still felt the heat. The media attention in both states was back on the Powell family. Additionally Steve was no longer allowed to live with minors which meant Josh and his two sons needed to move. Josh claimed that he'd found a place to live but the court soon figured out that he was lying he was still residing with his dad. Custody was handed over to Susan's parents. Chuck and Judy. But Josh wasn't going to take the ruling lying down he went to the courts to fight to get his kids back after all. He hadn't been convicted of a crime and the government. Just take his sons away. The judge ordered Josh to go get psychological evaluations to see if he was fit to be the boy's guardian. In the meantime he was given supervised visitation rights. Josh hated that his boys weren't with him full time but he always treasured the hours they spent together. He settled into his new normal as best he could and he continued to resist the police's efforts to find Susan. By the time February. Two thousand twelve game around. She'd been gone for over two years and the case was cold. Authorities had discussed charging Josh for the crime but they couldn't find any substantial evidence to ensure conviction. They were helpless however they didn't let Josh note this publicly. He was still a person of interest and with more searches in the desert planned. They wanted Josh to sweat. He professed his innocence to anyone who asked he told them all he wanted to do was move on with his life so that he could raise his boys right. He was convinced that his sons were being corrupted into thinking he was a monster he couldn't bear to see them turned against him and to dark plan began to form well. Josh never admitted to any wrongdoing and Susan's disappearance his actions on February fifth. Two Thousand Twelve painted a grim picture of what he was capable of that morning. A social worker pulled up to Joshua's newly rented house for a supervised visit Charlie in Brayden. We're looking forward to spending time with their dad. As the car came to a stop they bounded out ahead of the social worker. She ambled up behind. The Ms Josh stood in the entrance. The two boys ran inside but before she could get there. The door slammed shut. It was locked she naught but Josh didn't open up. She immediately called nine. One one minutes later Josh's lawyer received an email with no subject line from Josh. The message was short. I'm sorry goodbye outside of his house. The social worker was frantic. She didn't know what Josh was planning on what he was capable love. No one was there to help and they wouldn't be for several minutes a moment later there was a violent blast and the house was engulfed in flames. It had blown up by the time the authorities arrived. The inferno was raging. Nothing to be done once. The fire was extinguished. Investigators surveyed the home. The bodies of Josh and his boys were found in the rubble. He'd intentionally set the fire and had attacked his two sons with a hatchet before the fumes got to them. The thin veil of presumed innocence could no longer protect him. The young family whose future had once seemed so bright came to an end. Because of Josh Powell given Josh's murderer of his children it seems almost like a foregone conclusion. That Josh had a hand in Susan's disappearance. His accounts of the night in questions seem incredibly suspect in his actions. Two years later proved that he was capable. But there's still no hard evidence to prove Josh Killed Susan or even that she's dead to this day. Susan Powell remains a missing person. No one has ever been charged with her disappearance. Thanks again for tuning into gone. We'll be back next week. Was a short gone. Bide on spotify and back everywhere else the week after you can find more episodes of gone and all other park has two originals for free on spotify. Not only the spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcast originals. Like gone for free from your phone. Desktop or smart speaker to stream gone on spotify. Just open the APP and type in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at broadcast network. We'll see next time. 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Ep. 8: Wearing a Wire

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Ep. 8: Wearing a Wire

"This podcast discusses domestic violence criminal behavior. Murder and adult themes while not explicit. Listener discretion is advised. Josh Powell loaded his sons, Charlie and Brayden into their car seats on Saturday, December nineteenth of two thousand and nine. He was leaving west valley City Utah for his dad's house on the outskirts of Puyallup, Washington, his wife Susan had been missing for twelve days. LS Maxwell west valley city's lead detective on the case was powerless to keep joshing Utah. It was frustrating at the most because. Is a crime ever investigating here. And. The individuals that were really focusing on is now leaving the state and going twelve hours away on Christmas Eve and Christmas day. Josh dropped the boys with Susan's parents each time. He refused to even set foot inside his in laws home Susan's, dad. Chuck Cox had suspected from the beginning. The Josh was responsible for his daughter's disappearance say for other than what did you do? You creep. You know, you'd better get her. You'd better find fighter shows where she is. Free her from wherever you have stashed or whatever he done between Christmas and New Year's west valley. Police learned about Joshua's request to withdraw Susan's retirement using the power of attorney. She had signed earlier that year. They couldn't stop the distribution. The paperwork was airtight. But the start of the new year Ellis learned Josh did not intend to come back. He was moving away from west valley permanently. It was surprising to us. But it wasn't. Remember police had been keeping close tabs on Josh's movements, including using a GPS tracker Rozan we're following him or doing everything that we can to see if we pick up on any cues, and he'll kind of. Screw up somewhere. He'll be like. Okay there. It is. Or you know and build a locator word of Josh's arrival spread quickly among the community. In Puyallup, didn't take long for Josh to kind of ruffled the waters up there. And you know, when people start learning that he was in the area and the kids were coming to church or whatnot. You know, it caused some concern and rightfully so because I think everybody wanted to see an end in this investigation. Probably want to see him sitting in jail. And then obviously Susan to be found. This is cold episode eight wearing a wire, I'm Dave collie right back after this as we head into the new year. Many are making New Year's resolutions that seem to have one thing in common. And that is finding ways to save money as you ring in the new year, ladies, if you're looking for a new hair care routine. Let me tell you about Madison Reed because Madison Reed is hair-color reinvented. Gorgeous salon-quality colored delivered to your door for less than twenty five dollars. No longer. Do you just have to choices between the outdated box color or the time and expense of a salon? 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But I am exceedingly exceedingly blessed in the spirit. And so much that I know what I have to do that I have to live righteously in order to receive those blessings, but of course, Josh had lost interest in religion. Just a few years after marrying Susan that remained a source of friction in their marriage right up until she disappeared. So it seemed odd that he would suddenly find faith again. Right. Then there was a logic to it. Josh needed help. He introduced himself to the Bishop of the gem heights ward. A man named doll Johnson as the husband with the missing wife in Salt Lake City, then he explained he was moving into the neighborhood. He'd lost his job and couldn't afford food. The Bishop offered Josh food assistance and gave him the name and number of an employment specialist. Josh it also brought the boys to church, Charlie. And Brayden attended primary. That's the church's Sunday school program for young kids. Well, they're Charlie ran wild. He was rambunctious just weeks shy of his fifth birthday and surrounded by new unfamiliar people, the primary teacher, crystal Lewis had no clue who Charley was she didn't know if he was visitor or if his parents were new members of the congregation. At one point during the class. Charlie flipped the light switch on and off. Crystal told him to stop he just grinned having discovered a new game. Then he turned the lights out again. Crystal Warren, Charlie that if he didn't shape up she would have to tell his mom and dad that he was misbehaving. My mom is dead. Charlie said. Lewis was stunned later that day. She learned Charlie's. Last name was Powell she realized he was the son of the missing woman from Utah. The son of the guy who'd been all over the news. Five days later. Josh was back in Utah. He and his brother Michael pulled up to the Sarah circle house in west valley with a u haul truck and trailer in spite of all that had happened Josh's. Neighbors turned out to help impact. They moved boxes tools and furniture into the truck. Josh stood around watching and giving directions. I helped packed the kitchen up most of the kitchen a little teeny bit in the bedroom. I felt uncomfortable in the bedroom 'cause like that your private space. I don't want to be in there, and then a little bit downstairs and in the storage, Wendy tra- heels parents live a couple houses away from the Powell house. She had heard rumors about trouble in Josh and Susan's marriage. But wasn't sure what to believe all the feds starched? They had I'm like that. She couldn't have been starving out of fish. They have five gallon jugs of rice and peanut butter corn and like all kinds of food storage that last for longtime five gallons of peanut butter in more than five Beckett has quite a bit. So there were other buckets in the basement though, the Josh didn't want anyone but his brother Michael to get near after Josh. And Michael had moved them out. Of the basement Wendy noticed, what appeared to be an odd. Chemical splashed on the exposed insulation of the seller. Some of it also appeared to have spilled on the floor in the kitchen. Josh joked that it was blood, and he'd better clean it up before the police arrived to me it was you don't joke about stuff like that. When you're in a situation like he was in. When Josh wasn't looking Wendy pressed a piece of packing tape to the spot on the kitchen floor collecting a sample. She did the same thing in the cellar. She eventually provided both pieces of tape to police who tested the samples for blood both came back negative one point Josh quipped. He had just loaded Susan's head into the truck. Then he laughed Wendy didn't respond. So Josh asked if she had heard him and let Amna. Looking I turned away down and finished packet. And I'm like did he really just say that are you serious? Josh wouldn't give it up. Finally, Wendy asked him if he meant a mannequin hit something Susan what of used for 'cause Matala g Josh said. Yeah, then laughed again. It was interesting Qassam times, he'd crack those horrible jokes. And then sometimes he'd be really emotional whenever he packed up in the bedroom. He'd get really motioned all and cry and he'd have to come out of the room. Take a break. And then he tried to go back in. And sometimes he's like, all right? I'm not gonna work on this for, you know, an eight say a different day. Word made it back to Susan's parents in Washington that Josh was abandoning the house. The fact that he was moving back to said he knows where she is that she's not coming back. Chuck Cox called Josh's sister, Jennifer grades to help Paca now because we felt like that was the right thing for him to do to leave. But because we wanted to. I guess be a little bit more in the know, Chuck it asked us to set aside a couple of Susan's personal things that he didn't want disappearing. She auto graduation present which was a a badge with the storage. And she had her journals in there, and we wondered her journal there are Dr journal say we should ever girl. And he wanted everything he he what use would have for her dresses, none. But he wanted him. Michael saw Jennifer walking out of the house with some boxes not toward the U haul. But instead toward her own van he stepped in front of his older sister and told her to stop said just felt like a really strange situation. Why are you all covering up for him? Why aren't you just pushing him to just tell what he knows when that be the right thing to do Josh told Jennifer, she couldn't take the boxes or the deacons bench. She called soon. Dad, then handed her phone to Josh he argued with Chuck, but finally agreed to let Jennifer take the bench. So when he said, we have it. I said she heard yes, we can have it. She took and put in Kearney overlay. So it was gone. And then later, he changed his mind as I want can't sorry, it's gone. So then it was all your stolen. No because of pressure from other ward members that were in the room at the time, we were able to get that deacons bench and. And some things he wouldn't give the I don't think he ended up giving the pictures or Susan's journals under no circumstances would he'll out the Kocsis to have those journals any gives him to his dad really when an idiot. Who would do that? If the move back to Washington was meant to be a clean break for Josh. It didn't work out that way, he called the gem heights. Ward leaders on January eleventh to let them know he'd need help unloading, the U haul. Latter-day saints tend to have something of a reputation when it comes to this kind of service the task of helping Josh fell to the wards elders quorum, the president of the elders quorum was a man named rod Stevens, he explained to Josh it would take some time to rally enough people, but they'd get the job done. Rod about five other guys met Josh historic unit in the city of Sumner on the evening of Wednesday January thirteenth. Yeah. It was a good size storage unit. And they even built a loft above us. We could put stuff up higher even his father was there. And his brother is younger brother was there. That would of course have been Michael. Rot in the crew started to unload, the U haul high has some kids stuff his stuff. But fact, I remember he didn't have anything of Susan's really surprised me who just wasn't anything of hers. But who's just all his stuff in the kid stuff? Stephen Michael both pitched in helping carry stack boxes Josh stood off to one side and watched Josh's lazy won the laziest people have known. He was kinda Loof from us. He would kind of walk around and look at hull of his his goods, but he didn't help lift anything didn't help us. Father didn't help his brother he ate dorito chips and drink water. And he did that until I was so frustrated that I would grab boxes and put them right in Josh's hands. Then he would take the box that I gave him he'd walk set it down. Then he'd go back and drink his water needs potato chips. Josh didn't even bother with conversation during the two hours took the stack the storage unit. No fact to he really said anything at all. Except to tell us. Thanks, and that he was because I kept handing inboxes. He told me. I'm really tired and really thirsty has told me, and I said, okay. And then had him another box. I didn't care if Josh bother to ask he might have learned rod wasn't only the elders Corum president. He was also a federal agent rods day job was with the US postal inspection service. I work in law enforcement. So. My own thoughts where I wonder if part of our bodies in this bucket that I'm offloading. He had he had so many bucks can't recall now, but I won't take fifty hundred buckets of five gallon buckets served on pickup heavy bucket. I'm thinking what is his partisan in this bucket? Literally a my wondering that the barrels contain food storage grain mostly. Rod kept his eyes open though for any possible. Shred of evidence. He didn't see any. No, if I would have found something than I would have stopped right down. And I would have held it out of called west valley than what a call the local agency out. We would have held it period. And then I would have backed myself off because. Wouldn't have been my my jurisdiction my, but but it would have stopped right? Then of course, that didn't happen when they were done. Rod contacted his boss who just happened to be a former police officer for west valley city. It was a crazy coincidence. Yeah. Absolutely. You probably win. The lottery is your then than saying, hey, I was Josh Pels. All those corn president, I work in law enforcement rods. Boss reached out to some old contacts at the department and told them where they could find Josh's storage unit detective Ellis Maxwell was already on the hunt for it. He traveled to Washington that same week and had visited several storage unit. Businesses in the area at the time police believed Josh or possibly Steve might be holding Susan captive in one. Ellis also visited Steve's work Washington correctional industries, but didn't spend anytime lolly gagging around. We we were interviewing friends and family past old friends, high school friends, all the way to descend schoolteachers and putting together in developing plans as far as what our next step was going to be on the same day that rod Stevens was helping unload Josh's you hall the Sunday school teacher. Crystal Lewis was telling Ellis what Charlie Powell had told her his mommy was dead. That wasn't even the most dramatic thing to happen that day on January thirteenth Josh's estranged older sister. Jennifer learned her husband Kirk was scheduled to fly to Seattle for work the following week. I set in the had this idea that I needed to go to and that we needed to go and confront Josh. And see if we could get him to confess she called the west valley. Police department to ask for some advice at first the response didn't seem all that enthusiastic. They don't know who to trust. They don't know that I'm really really there to help them. But Jennifer had started to develop a report with many of the detectives, I called Ellis, and I asked him can you? I mean, can I do this? I didn't even know if they would be okay with that. You know, would that be okay with that be legal with that be with that mess up? What they're doing Ellis warned Jennifer that confronting Josh could be dangerous, but he couldn't. Stop her the idea continued to stir Jennifer's mind, and we're just Vance's ideas off. What if I got wired what if the police were like behind this and actually wired me, and we got like evidence. So I called Alice again, this is this is what I wanted to. I think what if we wired me and I went in. It was great never forget when. Jennifer came to me with that proposal. Get ally smile on my face, and I like this. But it wasn't that simple. Utah is a one party consent state. That means as long as one person in conversation knows it's being recorded. It's all good Washington on the other hand is two party consent. All people involved must be made aware of and agreed to being recorded. Jennifer, obviously wasn't going to tell the rest of her family. She was carrying a hidden microphone. So because of that you really gonna jump through a lot of hoops and your warranties to have the right language Ellis reached out to detective Gary Sanders with the Pierce county sheriff's office. They worked together to secure a warrant that would allow Jennifer to break the two party consent rule when your own sister, your own sibling, your own blood is willing to turn. And she knows that. That's what's going on. That speaks volumes kurkin Jenner. For arrived in Washington on January twenty first the following day. They went to the Pierce county. Precinct to meet the team got all wired up. I had a thing in my pocket, and that was recording. It was also transmitting a live feed of that audio to a police vehicle parked district or two away from the Powell home a helicopter orbited overhead. They didn't anticipate violence, but the police gave Jennifer codewords to us if the situation got out of hand if that happened Pierce county, deputies would rush the house. It was a little nerve wracking simply because you just don't know what's going to happen Ray. Yeah. We know Jennifer. We know the pals, but we all know emotions or hard to manage. And so once she was in that situation. It was a little nerve wracking, Jennifer, summoned, her courage. She in Kirk pulled up to the curb outside of her father's house at about five thirty PM stepped out of the car and knocked on the door. The audio. You're hearing now comes from the recording device. Jennifer was wearing that evening. For the first time in years, the whole Powell clan. Steve, Jennifer, Josh, John, Michael Alina and the boys Charlie Brayden were together under one roof relations between my family, and I were already strained. And so the fact that I would show up is probably a big red flag to them all ready. And so are they on their guard? Yeah. For sure they're on their guard Susan's absence loomed over the gathering, but no one acknowledged the elephant in the room that you completely avoid except that you have to skirt around it because it's taken up so much room. Charlie. And Brayden seemed excited to see familiar faces from their former home in Utah. Both boys had recently celebrated birthdays. Susan had not tried to contact boys on Christmas or on either one of their birthdays, yet another sign she was not only missing, but likely dead. Charlie now, five head a message for Jennifer about her recent appearances on the news. Making. Okay. On that. Been to bothersome lately. All last voice belonged to Josh he chatted with kurkin Jennifer about his trip with Michael in the U haul. A couple of weeks prior Mike. Did he really? He was about. Josh seemed relaxed. He talked freely about birthday party plans for the boys and his efforts to find a new job. He said he hoped to land something in the IT field. If not well, there was always unemployment thought right now it would be. Gold award. Very important. Early in the game. Yeah. The Sarah circle house back in west valley city was also on Josh his mind, he still had a mortgage to pay and with no income the house was turning into an albatross. Probably go. Go obviously, go back, hue tightening. Yeah. I don't know when. Did. Josh wasn't sure selling was the best idea though. The market was soft and the house still needed some work like finishing the new back deck or completing the basement. You know, life the rental idea that didn't code. Traffic. Nothing. I can do at that point. Just playing. Then I could make the different sort of carry black. Guessing. The difference shortfall anyone Josh's finances were tight not only had he lost his job Susan's income was gone as well. He had used the power of attorney to draw her 4._0._1._K, but that money wouldn't last very long credited out. Out. You know, we're basically. Already. Right. Oh, no one the United credits. I've never been tonight. But. At no point during any of this did Josh talk about Susan as anything other than an asset. He didn't lament her loss or complain about the straits. She had put him in by leaving something. He might have been expected to do if she had taken off with some other guy. In fact, he didn't raise a single question about where she might be bec- of Susan's disappearance never came up until I brought it up. I had to force this update. And it was it was very strange in strained at least on my side felt very strained. Because this is so weird. We're not even saying anything about it. And he doesn't appear to be distressed at all about his wife. Not being here not knowing where she is the Powell family sat down to dinner. Josh Unperfect aristocrat asked to say grace. Jennifer's heart raced as they ate behind a forced smile, she wondered how best to make her move. I just didn't even know how to go about it. Do you do this is soft approach? Do you take a hard line? How do you approach someone when you know that they're guilty of a heinous crime and get them to admit that pork chops disappeared from their plates and dinner was soon done while the rest of the family cleared. The table Jennifer poll, Josh aside into the office closing the French doors behind them. Hushed voice. She told her brother there had been rumors that he would be arrested soon. What? Rumer? Doesn't. I know this is tough to understand. So listen close. I. News. Jennifer told Josh to take a plea bargain. Don't be ridiculous. Happen. Voice for. Jennifer warned him if he goes to jail it will be for a long time. And he wouldn't be able to see his boys for years. Jennifer pressed questioning where he had gone in the rental car on December eighth and ninth. Those mysterious eight hundred miles in eighteen hours. They think that you were going for him. About. Fifty nine. Talk to you. I mean. There's no. There's no plea bargain. Rumer? No one's listening. I don't know. Josh's response. I doubt the rumors. But whatever I mean who knows Jennifer tried another approach. Told me about it. My attorney has told me just don't talk about it about specifics. You know, all of them. I know. Joshes responses and his behavior his actions. When Jennifer pro you. You know, kinda similar to the interview interogations that we conducted with him. You know, I can't talk about it. I gotta go through my Turney, dude. You're not talking to a cop. You're talking to your sister. Tell me what happened. Sister. She's trying a low what happens. Happen. No. Appeals didn't work. Josh wasn't going to tell her anything. You can only play that for a minute. You can only act the way he was acting. You can only act so long, and he never fell out of that. Which tells me that he is who he is. And he's clearly responsible. It just doesn't seem like you care at all. I can't believe that. You're. You walked away walked away. Yes. Maybe. Josh and Jennifer's youngest brother Michael had noticed them slipping away after dinner. He had followed them staying out of you. But within earshot to hear everything I don't know that they were here and everything, but they were probably concerned because it was a full glass wall with the glass doors, and you could see everything that was going on. And he they were probably a little distressed. In fact, Michael described that day in a court filing years later, he said he'd positioned himself just outside the glass doors because that was standard practice in the family with people they didn't trust. He heard what Jennifer was saying and related that information to his dad. Steve swooped in and put a stop to it. He interrupted telling Josh it was time to go pick up a birthday cake for the boys party. He told Jennifer it was probably time for she end Kirk to leave that he was just they were all trying to play it cool pretend like nothing was happening that they had nothing to do with it as soon Steve left the room. Jennifer went back to work. She challenged Josh asking what he was doing to aid the search. Josh replied in typical form that he was building a website. In the public. I don't care what anyone says about me. Say they love. That's why can't really. Marquette king. She got up and walked away from his. Why it's the guy that killed him killers life and put it in the dump. Okay. Is there something about that? Josh was not being honest here. He knew the Marquette king case very well here again is LS Maxwell humidity. Come to somebody about the Lori hacking case, and he said the Mark hacking screwed up because he he lied to the police too many times he didn't give them. He lied too many times. And he didn't give them reliable information. A brief aside is necessary here Mark hacking shot and killed his pregnant wife Lori in their Salt Lake City apartment in July of two thousand and four just months after Josh. And Susan I arrived in Utah. Hacking tried to stage lorries murder as disappearance. He took her car to nearby park where she liked to jog and abandoned there. He dumped her body and the mattress upon which he shot her in a dumpster. Then went and bought a new mattress to replace the bloodstained one hacking called nine one one to report his wife missing saying she'd failed to return from a morning jog. He went before news cameras and tearfully asked for help the local community spring into action just as it had two years earlier when a young girl named Elizabeth smart had been abducted from her bedroom Salt Lake City police detectives immediately spotted inconsistencies with Mark's story little details like the position of the driver seat in lorries car. Lori was short and wouldn't have been able to reach the gas pedal. But the seat was set perfectly for somebody as tall as Mark. They also learned Mark had not graduated from the university of Utah as he had claimed. Nor had he been accepted to post graduate program in North Carolina as he'd led his family and Laurie to believe. Mark hacking had woven a web of lies. That was stunning in its complexity it had all come apart. When Laurie learn is secret confronted him. And demanded he come clean. That is why he killed her. Police recovered Laura's decomposed remains from a landfill after a search that stretched on for several weeks detective Ellis Maxwell had a hand in. That was a part of that investigation. I was out at the landfill. For can't remember how many weeks looking for Laurie haven't been landfill since. I was sitting on the other side of the fence a lot of waiting on my those those horrible. Yeah. That was not the only. Bye before her death. Lori hacking had worked for Wells Fargo investments. The same company were Susan was working when she disappeared. Some of Susan's coworkers head known Lori. When Susan disappeared in two thousand nine many people were quick to draw parallels between her case and that of the hacking HS five years earlier, the sense in the community seemed to be the Josh would crack under the pressure and confess just as Marquette had. And that the police would ensure order locate and recovers whose remains neither happened. Josh was a much better liar than Mark. Josh clearly took something from that case. And in all honesty is very good advice. Right. You cannot offer too many lies, but you also have to offer some truth. Okay. And he followed that fairly well the comparison didn't faze Josh he brushed off Jennifer's comment flatly denying that his situation was anything like that of Marquette. Before. A lot problem. But. He wants problem. I five. I talked to myself. So. Tell me that I didn't hear from her. Josh had had enough. He told Jennifer he was leaving to go get the birthday cake. I finally actually shoved him into the bathrooms like come on. Just tell me where bodies. And. I've told all writing. Based? I can see it and you can see in your face. I don't know what they because our toll q. Now. I don't know what you mean. And now the. And now, we're. Oh, say. Go do what I'm gonna do. Don't get ready for party. Josh left with his brothers. John and Michael. The operation in Jennifer's is had failed. She and Kirk gathered their things and started making for the door on the way, she shot a parting comment to her dad, Steve. You'll have to enjoy it while he can I guess. What do you mean while he can? I don't think he's going to be able to escape this much longer. Escaped. What? Yeah. Done. Not me. Obviously, you you as well. As a hard time. That's in your. Hard reality. You. Thinks reality. Holiday. Camping. And. Sound like reality? Steve till Jennifer to face reality. And Jennifer said I'll face reality. Let's see Josh went camping in the middle of the night and Susan's gone now that doesn't sound like reality unless he did something. Anyway, once you, you know, I think it's fine to to go the same you going. The pretense of civility that had cloaked the Powell family during dinner came off a. About your daughter might some that when? With all your daughter shocked. Jennifer husband, Kirk stepped in to defend his wife. About the smart. She said he's out there may still put up her month and a half and the female author likes zero she's dead to scenario. They're talking over top of one another there. But cook told Steve the odds were Susan was likely dead. The other female voice you hear there belongs to Alina the youngest of the Powell children. Jennifer questioned why Joshua spent the morning after Susan's disappearance cleaning his house and doing laundry Alina offered a full throated defense of Josh how hard on your active nothing. You're absolutely horrible. Riddick. You hugged your regal and nothing, but ping and you've. Wall the whole time. He is he worked without actually what down and worse that is why he's going everything. Lina claimed Josh dealt with his pain by working and accused Jennifer of doing nothing Steve was I rate he seized on something Jennifer had said ignoring the talk about Josh. Yeah. Me to pass. On you. The lying. There is a lot going on here. Alina? It seemed felt little care for Susan. But Steve confronted by this idea of Susan hating him rejected the thought tell you the whole story tell it to you because you are going to dad has solved anyway. Right. She likes you. We're not. Exactly. Oh can highly. Every year for Christmas. You know, he's quick. Jennifer and Kirk retreated to the car. As they drove away from the house, she filled in her husband on what Josh said or more accurately hadn't said. Call. Kings. I know that's tough to hear. But Kirk asked Jennifer, if she was okay, Jennifer said, no. Yeah. That's. Kirk consoled, his wife as best he could. One. Then Jennifer broke down over what she had seen in her brother's is. My God he killed her. Josh not confessed. But Jennifer was more sure than ever that. He had killed Susan what that brought us and brought to the police department would have brought to trial just another piece another piece of joshes personality, lack of concern consideration for Susan lack of cooperation, and you know, the end of the day is Gil looking back Ellis couldn't help. But praise Jennifer she went into did a phenomenal job in my opinion. She probably felt like she didn't do enough. She didn't push hard enough. She didn't get what we all wanted. And you know, but at the end of the day, you know, she knows that there was nobody was going to break. Josh, nobody. Joshua told kurkin Jennifer he wanted to sell his house in west valley city that was complicated because Susan's name was on the mortgage. Instead, he turned to his former neighbor decks Guzman with an offer. Dax had helped Josh rebuild the deck on the back of the Sarah circle house in the months prior to Susan's disappearance. Josh then suggested Dax and his family move one street over and rent this era circle house, he called us if we wanted to rented the house, and so we're going to use it. And so we took him up on the offer and. Because he knew I knew how to build things and go with my hands. He has if I'd be interested in maybe reduce rent and working something out of finished the basement. So we agree to that wife in the Sarah circle. House had its drawbacks though. News crews continue to set up on the sidewalk there. Bright lights, keeping the Guzman. Kids up at night. I would just house on us when we moved in after he left I tower into that house. Dax wanted to know Susan might still be on the property tore into the ground tarp little some of the parts of the basement that had been redone, but found that it was just more permanent gun in which is fine to rip the backyard the garden that was there several feet down. I tore the whole thing apart just seem just making sure that there wasn't there. Look through the shed. There's a whole bunch of fifty gallon. Watermelons in there and made sure that no. Body in there too. A lot of freaky stuff. But you know, you see things on TV you see things on on the news and movies. So I checked as many places I could she wasn't there. Josh had a hard time finding allies among the local church congregation in Washington by that point word had spread among members of the gym heights ward. And some were unnerved or outright fearful to see a suspected murderer sitting in their Sabbath services. He came to church for while. And he would sit in the back of the corm. He would open up his scriptures. Never turn a page and look blankly in them for the whole hour. It was yeah. You could just tell he was sitting there. But he wasn't there church. Members fell in love though with Charlie and Brayden the noisy. Playful boys would run through the hallways of the church building on Sundays rod Stevens, the president of the words. Elders Corum who helped Josh unpack is you hall. Said it seemed as though Josh wanted to find his boys some friends, but caused a lot of problems because everyone liked his two sons, but they didn't want Josh around. Nobody wanted the Josh in their homes so awkward who's tough and really feel bad for those two kids. But yeah, as much as you want to be involved in kids and help those kids you don't want him by and you can just feel it. He just vacant before long. Josh and the boys disappeared maybe a month to month, two months gun by quick coming to church, and then finally the executive secretary to the Bishop. He saw him at Lowe's and today we haven't seen in church for while. And that's when he told him he said, I don't believe in God anymore. A few months later Josh published a website explaining his decision to abandon the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints and investigate nondenominational Christianity as an alternative the proficiency of the Mormon church to organize motivate people to action can be used for. Positive purposes such as when church members help people with moving or with home repairs. However, the solidarity also motivates individuals to cover for fellow Mormons attack perceived critics of Mormonism, I'm not implying that there's anything wrong. Withdraw choosing not to identify as a latter day Saint any longer. But this website was a slap in the face to many of the people both in Utah and in Washington who had volunteered their time and effort to help Josh move in spite of their own suspicions is absolutely self serving in my opinion. And I think he was there to reasons one I think you needed the help of the church, which was okay. But I think he wanted to keep up appearances just long enough to where he thought it was. Okay. And then he quickly left. Joshua's moved to Washington had taken Charlie and braid and away from the only members of the Powell family who were cooperating with the investigation. Jennifer, and to a lesser extent. Josh's mom Theresa. During January detective Kim Welty placed a call to Washington state's child services agency. She wanted to know if they could drop in on the Powell home and see how the boys were doing a lawyer at the Washington attorney general's office responded saying they're agency didn't have the authority to perform welfare checks unless there was a specific accusation of abuse or neglect west valley police did not have that they also couldn't speak candidly with Washington's child welfare workers because their case was still under a court secrecy order. They were allowed to talk though to the local law enforcement agency Pierce county sheriff's detective Gary Sanders helped secure a warrant from a Washington judge allowing deputies to go to Steve pals house and sees the boys so basically their form of with their statement. And they just wanted to be interviewed. Because now they were in this home, and they were kinda closed off with Stephen. And Josh all of them living in the house. They served that weren't on the morning of March tenth two thousand and ten another Pierce county detective named Theresa Berg approached the boys. She went in there and the boys rant her let her pick them up, and they just glommed onto which was crazy. No strangers and stuff like that taking you out of a home. You would think there'd be a little bit. But she held them. And then we acted with them. I think it was kind of something they were missing. It was just anytime. We're in there. It was cold. It was a cold environment. As detective Kim wilty carried Charlie out of the house the five. Year old asked if he was being arrested. She assured him he was not. The police drove the boys to the Mary bridge safe and sound building. West valley. Detectives including Kim wilty who had performed the first interview with Charlie in December. We're going to get a second shot at it repeat interviews of child. Witnesses were not usual protocol still she had to try. She brought Charlie into a separate room and tried to talk to him. He was not very cooperative. He told the detective he didn't want to talk and walked out of the room in a formal report wilty wrote anything from this point on was not going to be the best case scenario. She tried again. She gave Charlie paper and crayons hoping. They would help him relax. Then she started to ask about Susan Charlie told her heat did not want to talk about that. She asked if he had been camping recently Charlie said, he only goes camping in Utah a desert with rattlesnakes. She pressed for more asking if Susan had gone camping with him Charlie told her he didn't want to talk about that stuff. He wanted to colour not talk, then he left the room again little kiddos like that at that age or tough wealthy turned her attention to Brayden. She started by asking if they could speak about his mom Braiden said something about his mommy, then trailed off into gibberish if they were going to get any answers. It was clear they would have to come from Charlie. The Pierce county crew took the boys to their office if you blocks away for lunch. While they were away from the safe end sound building Charlie told the deputies that he would talk when they returned detective wealthy asked. What he wanted to talk about? Charlie said he wanted to work on his homework and needed a pair of scissors. But was afraid he might cut himself. If she distracted him wilty suggested Charlie not use the scissors while they talked. He said it was okay. He would just ignore her. Yeah. Welty again asked about Susan and camping Charlie said, he couldn't talk about those things because they were secret. He said his mom was lost. But he did not see where he said his uncle Joan new wear. This was interesting detective wealthy asked. Charlie who told him. These things were secret he said, his brain. Then he explained his mom had told him. She was going to the North Pole and would not come back until it stopped snowing. Wilty again asked who had told him these things Charlie said, no one then changed his answer. He said his dad told him that she had been exposed to all of that. Coaching and guiding and direction from Stephen Josh. And so, yeah, they're young rate and the pick up on that. And they see that behavior all day long when they're in the house, they hear it. And so they, you know, they start acting in walking the walk like everybody else in the house, Charlie babbled about the earth going crazy about wanting his aunt, Jennifer and uncle Kirk to die. He wondered what time it was and left to find out when he popped back into the room. A few minutes later, he told detective wealthy. He had only guessed his mom was at the North Pole. The investigators got nothing useful out of the boys that day, man. They're locked up in this powerful and being coached and being directed to. You don't talk about this. You don't talk about that. And that's why we got nothing from Charlie when we did that second interview, the police had no choice, but to return them home Pierce county detective Gary Sanders, told me the drive back to Steve Powell's house was more telling than anything Charlie actually said in the interview it was weird as I'm driving along drive along Theresa's in the backseat with both Charlie braid and Charlie's talked long. Just you know, very talkative and stuff like that. And then he noticed I turned off Meridian I think it was I was going down into their neighborhood. And it was like a switch. He just flipped and also he was like he started looking around and goes, whoa. I'm just gonna tell them. I was with friends or like time. I'll Charlie Nichols. I'm just going to. Gonna tell them I'm gonna tell with friends, and that's all it was. And we're like what are you talking about? He goes. Well, I'm just gonna tell my dad that I was with friends and nothing more in. It was it was the weird the transformation that a Susan knew. He was going back to the house. There was going to be some consequences for him speaking with us and being with us and stuff and that was kind of scared at that point. Because how young he was. But he he was adamant about that. So we got back there. And when he got in there, he you know, ran up to Joshua just like, oh, yeah. With friends dad, and and and tried to play off like it was nothing. And I I'd love to be a fly on that wall. Put Josh talked-about after we left. On the next episode of cold. Because he's got something inside kill his kids. You might, you know, do we know that I know you're saying all he'd never do that. But if you haven't already please subscribe to cold toss us a rating or a review you can find cold on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter at the cold podcast for video clips pictures from the case and more hit up the cold podcast dot com. Also, if Susan story sounds familiar in your own life. In other words, if you or someone you know is experiencing domestic abuse in any form, please get immediate help in the US. Support is a phone call away at the national domestic violence hotline at one eight hundred seven nine nine seven two three three or online at WWW dot the hotline dot org. A quick thank you to the cold team. Kristen sorenson. Eric openshaw, Ken fall, Danielle Prager, cure, Fairmont. Josh Tilton Adam Mason, Jillian Friedman, and especially Shera wars ly- the music for cold was composed by Michael bond Miller, except for the tar stuff that was me cold is a KSL podcast. Thank you for listening.

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The Texans Dumpster Fire Continues, The Texans Can't Trade Deshaun Watson, Steve Palazollo Speaks On The Watson Situation

The Sean Salisbury Show

2:49:49 hr | 8 months ago

The Texans Dumpster Fire Continues, The Texans Can't Trade Deshaun Watson, Steve Palazollo Speaks On The Watson Situation

"They've got homemade. Avail quarterback time french very. This is the sean salisbury show. Good morning and welcome in on a monday. Eric be enemy got an interview. You just hire prego at what i say monday. Welcome in on a monday. It's still monday. Because yesterday was a holiday so really essence for some that had different day weekends like hump. Day falls on a thursday for some so today. It's kind of yeah. It's kind of a monday. But you could call tuesday if you like because we probably should because it actually is tuesday. That's a fact. Happy a welcome in on a tuesday. Here's the most sane quote about football you can have. I've talked to some of my friends who played for kansas city to get a feel for him. And it's nothing but good reviews. Speaking of eric. The enemy or many hugh charles menu played for the texans during of community of it in the fifth ward. I think mr caserio has an understanding of what a good coach looks like from being around bill meaning ballot check and i think he'll make the right choice and everything will eventually settle down now. There is a man who's like addresses his general manager. Mr who gets an understands that. Hey all this chatter slowdown here. We're going to get to why there's probably more chatter when quarterback likes post for the new york post about him with the jets I get it. And then there is the andy reid. I mean everybody knows what i think eric. And what kind of head coach. I think he'd be so this is if you if your question. Andy's a man of character and obviously a winner. Maybe the best. I can tell you. I hope he goes to an nfc team when he has the opportunity. Meet in the nfc when he has the opportunity. Whoever gets him. I think is a very lucky organization. One of the few people that i've come across with the leadership skills that he has the ability to lead men in this crazy game that we're in and for those guys through his leadership to play pro bowl level when he gets his hands on you figuratively. He does wonders with athletes and he's able to maximize their abilities on the field and it gives them extra boost to be productive person off the field and somebody. I would have loved my son to have played for. So there's the endorsement eric and he gets the interview. what's next. How long will it take. Well the chiefs are still playing so he can't be hired but the longer it takes an beers. Brian cabell is going to stay in buffalo so he's out of the mix colin interviewed as well. Leslie frazier so the guy still in it. Or those two and eric enemy. Yeah and. I don't really know who's left on that. I don't think they've interviewed. Doug peterson they haven't interview. Yeah they have not interviewed. Joe brady again. Joe brady a second time. They should appears ebert. Plus right yes they do turn it down and then he got one turn it down and then decided to take wide. Well a reason. Why giles head coach this job. And you can argue over which one's more dysfunctional philadelphia. Eagles houston texans but many you had a perfect. Get the coach. Hire the right coach. Make a good decision. Settle this thing down and everything's gonna be okay. That's that part. I got a couple of questions. They will save one for the poll question. I want you to consider this with all the shawn watson talk going on i mean people in every city are finding ways to what kind of package actually was on in san francisco yesterday and one guy. There was stuff going up on twitter about this after we discussed it on their show and talking about what you'd have to give to start the conversation for watson if you're any if you're saying here's an hour if you have any clue and one guy said i'll lose three ones and george kittle or bosa and garoppolo. That's way too much. No way yet they. Tc other these other cities. Want the book top three quarterback in the league. But don't wanna give up anything to get him. One suggested off garoppolo a second this year and a first next year and i laughed. I said let this. Is you know it gets rolling so what you wanted to see. They want to have watson and their city. They don't wanna give up anything to get it now if i call and make that offer but nobody with with a doesn't have the mind of a middle would even discuss it so and hopefully this will slow this down and we can stop this because i do believe. Let's say are being tired. Then as andy stated when he gets his hands on you figuratively around you. There's a sense of calm that goes with now. There was a talking to new york. Posted the shawn watson liked a photograph or the talk of him being in a jets uniform. Hit like on on some some post. I don't know what that means. I don't know if it's cryptic. I don't know if we should take to read anything into it. I don't care he's under contract and hopefully this'll get settled. So i'm not all the jets. Well the jets wanna give up. Sam darnold four first rounders and another player. Then i guess we'll listen. I guess you'd have to listen. I'll take five hundred. That's just me. And i mean the chances are here's the thing about it is no matter who trades for watson or or makes an offer if you were to get watson in this trade. Let's just say got so sideways that you had to get you got it. Yeah do you realize the you would hope that your your franchise is going to suffer for it. It's going to be hurt in getting watson. Why 'cause if i was a general manager and the owner you would have to give up so much. You're gonna feel like you're going to have a tough time building around with the draft right. It's gonna be. You're not all of a sudden because for me francis san francisco. You'd have to give me three. I i suggest that this time. I said well for me to be okay. So you gotta get watson's you probably want to keep kittle offensively. We need an edge rusher okay. Here's what i got and he's coming up at injury. Gimmie three first rounders. I said if we're even going to start the conversation give three first rounders and a to jimmy garoppolo and then an nick bosa and that's where you better start a conversation. See all you guys on crack. You can't give. I mean people do. You can't give that. We can't have come. Don't realize how rude. But can the texans even take on money from people. I haven't been working. I've worked enough screwed up right. They're gonna take a massive capital juice from trading show that they were stupid enough to maneuver it or people take. I don't know how 'cause cap it's different from real money. They take on the whole real money. But you're still a captain that goes with people coming and going. And i haven't got i'm just using bodies start right. That's one of the kapala. Just of expertise gets and the gradient siders. That know how to work that thing. But i i said well y you don't wanna give up their already. You're already willing to part if you're san francisco. Jimmy don't that's valuable asset. You're giving away if you're right. You're you're not battling over keeping him so there's not somebody you if you were texas relief. Well if i have to have somebody quarterback in return with traffic. So i can one him. I got too much money for a guy that i don't believe in but you know what his average the truth is. His average puts him in the middle the pact and yeah it. It ends up his average salary for year. I'd rather go back to pay in. Brian fitzpatrick five million bucks. A year to comply from to bridge you for a draft. Pick now i or if you think. Aj mccarron can start next year. I don't know. But i mean josh mccown. Yeah but it's a well. Josh ben league fears he going to be here. And you gotta love him. He be player coach. And he's he's awesome. So i just want to give up nothing and get a top. I mean an everybody asks me to trade mahomes absolutely not then why what. What's the difference. And i have yet to have anybody. Tell me that if mahomes was here and watson was their records would be any different or neither or what there. Because they can't they wouldn't. So it's crazy the top four quarterbacks in the league for the most part most of the statistics in this final four. And you know who the fifth one is sitting at home or sitting more sitting at foreign twelve. Yeah that's that's exactly right. So here with this watson talk. We'll have a little bit of fun. But i'm gonna put you on the spot today. This is not the poll question. Poll question should be too long for the poll question. We'll have a different poll. Question are big. The bottom of the hour if you could be assured it's a guaranteed. I'm giving a matter of fact. I'm guaranteeing at four you. The during the course of watson's career the work that he's gonna stay in the course of a twelve year career. Whatever it is right. You're going to win a super bowl but at the expense of that the astros and the rockets don't ever get to win one for the layoffs. They don't get to win astute like well if you want. That's fine but they don't get to win. They don't even get to play. And i'm talking to get there. They are in no championship position. And that's a guarantee but if you decide on you'd rather have the astros and have a chance to win one and part with watson that's the that's the alternative so watson goes. One of those. Two franchises will be positioned to win a championship watson. Stays they win a title in the next ten to twelve however long it's career goes but the astros and rockets have no shot. What do you take all you have to take the title do. Yeah in keeping watch. I mean if you didn't. I don't know if you guaranteed me. One of those other teams is going to win their own title than yeah me. I'd probably won't guarantee you both neither one. It's hard to sit here and say that neither of them you know to deal with twelve years of the to sucking like would make them irrelevant in this city. That's why i'm asking the question. I don't wanna make it easy. Say well you got a chance to win to. No i d home always leaned towards having two of my teams relevantly compared to three. If i had to we were are just the one and watson goes. Sorry sean i love the astros too much right. Heavy t. I'm actually going to go the other way on that. And this is my thinking. The astros just won the world series. Not too long ago. It's still really relevant. Even if the rockets have won a couple and they can always lean back on that and they've been in the playoffs. They've had their success. Houston the oilers. And the texans as a whole the fans have been hurt by both one super bowl title would fix that it would smooth. They'd be like okay. You know what we're relevant were good and of course they want you to keep winning. Think about this when they say well one's not enough. How many super bowls brett farr one. One one drew brees one aaron rodgers one for now but one today right so you think about it and the guy. He's playing bidin. Nine talking to michael irvin about this. Last night he goes he goes through it. You think about all the oh quarterback and you've got a great quarterback you win a championship. It's like aaron rodgers has been to one and he's that good one. Yeah that's been to one and brady now guys. He's going on. If you remove the year he didn't start his rookie year if he makes it to the super bowl this year. Take away the one year. So that's twenty years. This is what twenty first year in the league. I believe yeah. Do you realize that that will have been. He will have been in half pyschologist he will have his his his ear and a super bowl. Rogers one one. He will have been in ten with one more win in ten. That's half his career. He's on his fourteenth championship game. That's forty he's won more. Championships percentage wise than steph. Curry makes threes. I mean it's nuts. It's wild and one so the one championship. So the phone number seven one three two one two five seventy would you take guarantee and watson's here his career and you're gonna win a super bowl but that expense. The astros and rockets do not get to win a championship in the next decade years. They do not get to be in one or watson leaves and those other two will have the chance to win one. What would you take sports talk. Saginaw county h towns most complete breakfast collages. Breakfast tacos and sean salisbury steak. Don't forget to boca view. Air holes yogi cleaning that microwaves. Trust me more sean. Right now on sports talk seven nine hundred seven one three two one two five seven ninety. We'll get to the rockets victory. Depots debut off the charts. They couldn't defend the the three ball christian would puts up another good performance and they battled back. But i know moral victories. Maybe there's more moral first quarter was bad. They were all teams like the first six seven minutes that game that was so sloppy. Zach levine continues. His is assault on the nba as he continues to score bulls to take care of their business shooting the three and they couldn't stop it but the rally they fought back. I don't often sports. There's more victories anywhere. Been a longer season. I would imagine you gather more. I don't do moral victories. But at least you linked to okay. We battled back in this okay. We know we can make we play games so often that maybe not moral victories. But you can gather stuff with quick information even when you don't you don't have to go back and watch tape of the game to know that if you watch it with the naked eye. We didn't offend the the three ball pretty pretty simple. We meaning the rockets in football. Go back okay. Did that get on the block. I mean it's hard to see. Will things are going basketball. It's it's pretty easy to see. So i don't do moral victories and i'm sure they don't either but a guy's first appearance all. The depot was as advertised on the effort offensive. In is dan dockage told us. He said he'll show up. And you're going to get you're going to get some some attitude out of him and they did just couldn't stave off the chicago bulls. We got the question. That's not the poll question. We'll get to that at the bottom of the hour. The question that i have throughout here for our show. I'm giving you this with with with what's going on with the watson situation. It's just you know you can make it fun or you can make serious. And i'll try and i'm going to try to try to make tough on you and some won't be easy raven. Nine six sixty seven on twitter said. Listen you did make it easy too big of a baseball fan. I would not pass up the astros with another chance. So here's what the question is you get to shawn watson for the entire contract guarantees here and you're going to win a super bowl or but at the expense of that. The rockets and astros don't make it to a championship in the next decade. Two dozen years however long watson screw if watson's career last fifteen years and he's here you don't give fifteen years so you keep him guarantee him throughout the career and a championship one super bowl. The other two teams. Don't even get to the finals to the to the championship. Nba finals world series. Or if lots and walks the other two teams will have that opportunity to get their. Take your choice. You don't get both you take. Let watson go. It comes down to which team you're bigger fan of what your most loyal to lord all three. I wanna see all three of them do it. But if in that scenario it's it's hard for me to not take the baseball. I just love baseball. And i loved it and they asked has been the team that have done more for me. They've done more for the city recently. They they matter. More me tyler. You took the texans because it's not even close like i said one super bowl would smooth over absolutely everything going back to houston oiler fan. So it's moved right. I'm a bigger baseball fan than i am. Football fan over just going to games and love and the the environment love it but if this question was asked me about the red. Sox are the lakers. Which i grew up as a fan i would still take the super bowl because i know how hard it is to get there. And while i love football and watson. You're assuring me. Because i get one with watson you're maybe i get an opportunity. That was minimum of one. You know you're gonna win one to me. I'll take the championship over my love for that sport or that team and i understand why you. Mcs just been so for me. I would take watson staying and winning a super bowl over the other two not getting there and even at the other two hadn't been there and hadn't won one. I'd still take this. Because the guarantee of winning one in the hand is better than fifteen in the bush. Let alone to jason. Welcome in man how you doing. I'm doing great salaries. As i love your show thank you. I'm i'm a type of guy. I like to see something that's never been done. We've seen the astros win the world series. We've seen the houston rockets when a couple of titles we've never seen the houston oilers. Houston texans ever get there you personally. I think that would be cool. Because you know when i did move to houston I became somewhat of a Houston houston sports fan. Because of where i live i'm originally from louisiana to be honest with but i like to shawn watson. He's the reason why i watch the texans. And honestly if he's not there they're not watchable in honestly. There's no other quarterback out there right now that would even be on his level to even be traded for so personally. I would like to see the tech in doing the super bowl. I would like to see that enough. Great point jason. That's i wonder where this is going to go. Well there's one. We got to say texans m. would say i'll pass on the watson thing. Give me the opportunity to win another title for the rockets. And or mainly the astros for you because of your love for them so that that's questionable. Continue to hear from you guys as you guys roll out of bed at seven. Three two one. Two five seven ninety. I think it's a difficult question because there are area right. Does it come down to you like championships more than your team. If you like the astros rockets better or do you. Like the guarantee of having watson here or does the and it doesn't assure that watson's gonna go with a super bowl elsewhere in my question i wanna make cut and dry for you either. Get keep watson and win the super bowl or you lose him in your other. Two teams have a chance. If you keep watson the astros and rockets do not get to go to a super bowl throughout the course of his career and by keeping him you assure that he's here for the duration of his career with a chance to win more than one. So there you have it. But you're guaranteed one otherwise if you get rid of him the rockets and astros will have a chance to be in it if you keep him neither one of those for the next decade plus get a chance to get to be in that championship. Game tough question. That's tough one. Because you don't wanna say goodbye to the quarterback that we've been all sitting around. Yeah love and to finally have ryan. It's been in existence of literally took from warren moon until this guy to have this kind of quarterback. Right that's true this is this is since warren moon. This is the guy. yeah and i will. I don't wanna say goodbye to part of it. it be. You're giving me that scenario to as you know. I i don't again. I am a houston texans. Fan have been fans. They became a team when i was twelve years old but they have done a lot of harm to me to wear saying. I don't want something good for them. Is a little bit easier than the other ones. I had to pick and that kind of scenario pick any other two to have more. Success is an easy pick for me. Because they've they've they've pissed me off for a long time. You know what a little bit of your report yourself. You know what. I mean all right. So you're not. There's you're still holding a little bit of grudge against of it's going to be. It will be the only way to get over this crap completely. First of all come back. Have the shawn watson as your quarterback this year But win at some point and also. Jackie should be gone and i can live with you a little bit more. They're never gonna win me deck like the nurse will never win me back. The trust the respect of an ownership group until they see cal up there on that podium dropping the lombardi trophy because the laki drop it until he does that. I've had i have zero faith that he is going to ever ever do anything as an owner so if they win one off forgotten now all forgotten but a new lease on new life right. I mean like fresh start. You and me i believe in you again. I'll give you a chance because you've hoisted that trophy until then can't get. It can't do it all right now. Let's see is an ready. You've been on the phone with them for about eight minutes. Carry on a conversation. Let's see what henry has a say henry. Welcome in how you doing. Good morning how you doing guys just basically wanted to touch on. I would rather see the texas win. The super bowl. Because i think about The late Bob mcnair and He wasn't able to see organization win the super bowl so the legacy should be an honor to him to bring the team A super bowl. You know the city of houston the super bowl. And i just think that for the sun to make the decision to wanna leave or something bigger than just football. I think the you know the guys up top need to just sit back and and really kind of meet them halfway as far as the best chance for this team to win the super bowl. 'cause that's the goal. That's the ultimate goal. Everything else i think could be worked out. Yeah do you think the sean is is. There's something is it all on the on the franchise now or does shawn gotta kinda take a few steps towards the middle to say. Let's forgive and move on and get the right coach. Let's do this thing man. I think he's a real Unbe guy and i think give you know the the company really really get his input what he feel comfortable with what with the twos. He would need for the best. Get him to a super bowl. I think they Wait at option man. Listen to him you know. I agree one hundred percent henry. Great stuff man. You're you're dead on so you'll take the rockets. I mean the texans super. Thanks for calling. Henry the texans super bowl and keeping watson at the expense of not allowing the rockets or astros throughout the course of watson's career to be a championship sacrifice. You're making right now. The vote is at three two one. So you're the only one on the rockets astros side. That's fine one for the first two callers both said i think i to that the caller standpoint and keep the watson thing i always championship rings are hard to come by. I'll take that one at the risks at the other two. Don't make it for the next decade demean. Not at the risk. You're guaranteed mytalk. You're guaranteed you. Don't get a chance to be an throughout watson screw but you are going to win and guaranteed one super bowl and who knows. How many more if watson stays. That's the question today. What are you willing to sacrifice and you start to about how we do it. That's why if is a gm disguise off limits. there's very guys that are off limits in the league. He's one of them he just is. He's a sacred cow. If you make if you put him out there than the grudge towards the ownership will get bigger and bigger and bigger sports. Seven seventy sean salisbury. Listen you struggling with your libido or your energy you struggling with maybe your concentration your cognitive function all those things are they impacted if your testosterone levels aren't normal normalized. Mets steve klamkin. Help men's clinic. Help normalize testosterone levels favorably impact a variety of these functions such as improving that mood and cognitive function. 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Menstrual clinic men's clinic dot com men's clinic dot com danya house here three back to back to back to the summer sloppier show on sports. Talk seven nine question. One is the big one being question of the day. On the sean salisbury. Show all right. We got goats all over the place this weekend. Got the current goat today. Aaron rodgers our lease the best seasons goat. We got the goat of. We hope that he's okay. Protocol sounded like any. Reid said the chiefs making quick improved. I would expect to see mahomes this weekend. He is the goat right now. As far as quarterbacks to start a franchise and you've got the current goat coach in the final four probably because he's the reigning super bowl champ. Ben and andy reid right. Yeah so we got a whole lot of real good The goat of the draft. That lamar and josh. Allen darnold josh allen. Probably that class. He's been the even though. Lamar put up the best numbers. The best back right now as far as run and pass is him now. Marsh had one when they're both had one great year. But you seem the steady incline though right. Vegas bar took a step backwards here. Alan took a quantum leap forward. Rich gannon told me yesterday. We were talking and he said i think he's the most improved player in the league. Oh yes yeah he said and and mvp candidate so if you took my homes and rodgers out of it that are on a different planet. Alan probably wins the mvp. I think you'll finish third and and rightfully so enrich was talking about the vote. He devoted fran rogers. Who's the goat. So it leads to now. This is the same question. I asked on this show because too long for twitter so we got a couple on their involvement. Come on and give your opinion if you could be guaranteed here. This is the show question. The shawn watson stays for the entire career. And you win. A super bowl is a texan. But you have to sacrifice the fact that the rockets and astros will not get into a championship. Game let alone win one. Throughout the course of watson's career. But if you think you want one of those to have a chance to win a championship. You've gotta let watson go. Are you willing to do that. What's more important to you. That's for here. Seven one three two one two five seven ninety so since we're talking about goats and current goats talked about this. If you were to start your franchise or you could grab any coach right now to coach your team of what. We're doing here trying to find a coach airbnb interview. Ebron plus leslie frazier. So we're trying to find that coach that takes it to goat status if you were starting your team. Whether you're the texans or somebody else right now is bill belichick. Still the best coach in the nfl. Current is bill belichick still the current best. Nfl coach is he better than what andy reid is doing. I would take any andy reid. Something against bill bell shirt because he's one super bowl all we always today this right now. It's martin against read and what he's doing in kansas city. What anti be doing that somewhere else. You could make the case that if he didn't have patrick mahomes. Obviously he's not doing that but he's got patrick. Mahomes chick did that with tom brady. It's the same type of thing it is. If you put andy reid here in houston. I think that'd be winning. Pretty damn high clip. If any that i would ask you. This jack was in kansas city. Saint thing right there dominate. Yes it'd be doing very well tyler. What do you think. I would also andy reid today thinking about it. Yeah today i mean yes. He has mahomes. But you gotta remember. He took alex smith to the playoffs when he was still the head coach and kansas city. He's only missed. The playoffs one season in kansas city. You're they went nine and a bunch of philly to and two. I think five straight conference championships in philly. Just couldn't get over the hump. But that's also because the eagles didn't have any receives besides terrell owens and when they did after one super bowl they made it so i would still probably take andy reid think about the i mean. His record is just hit. A great record in philadelphia. He had a great one thirty and ninety three when ten nine over on the playoffs. Since he's been in. Kansas city never had a losing record mentioned. The nine and seven was the only. He missed the playoffs the second year. He's ninety one and thirty seven. That's seventy one percent clip and he's six five in the playoffs. I'm take twenty one and one thirty six basically sixty three percent of his game. He is one in his career. Andy reid was a hall of famer before he won the super bowl but think about the narrative about him Shane people said well. They put that. It's like a quarterback like marino. Some would argue. The dam was the best throwing the football. I'm old number twelve in green baking long. Just pure throw the ball and you say well man but but there's always a but next thing which shouldn't be. It's unfair. That quarterback has to it. And you shouldn't just give the quarterback credit. Well he's got ten super bowls up here. Brave knights football affairs well. Somebody was on the receiving end and blocking coaching. But that's how we judge quarterback. It's not right but it's the way we judge him. And we do that. With head coaches. To andy reid hall of famer didn't work out until last year that he wanna super bowl and now look at the narrative. We're people are starting to say if his run continues you're talking about one of the all-time great. Nfl head coaches if they win another super bowl this year and he's able to hang in coach a couple of years. Let's say he wins a third super bowl in kansas city. Now he's rarified. Air guys here is in rarified air when it comes to championships coaches a head coach. That have won multiple championships. Yeah quarterbacks when you get to that three reigns the aprons in montana's when you start to get even the great peyton manning and how many ranks to one of them was a lot because even one of them might have been one in spite of defense right. I mean he had to be there in manage the right way. But you start to think about what three does for you. I'll guarantee there's ten. Quarterbacks got three super bowl rings making guaranteed name ben. Ross with all he's done to. He liked to aikman three montana. Four bradshaw four brady six. There's only one two three four guys with three or four of them right. I did not name forum. Correct eightman bradshaw montana. Break right. that's it. How many coaches have three more suitable rings. I know at three or more ballot. Check off the top my head. Bella check walsh knocks chuck. Knox ain't got three chuck. Knox ain't got one check. Knox never want us to whom i think in that. Bill has it's to joe. Gibbs has three vince lombardi. Maybe doesn't lombardi more Lombardi has a handful. Two super bowls if we're counting. Nfl champion. there's only there's only. I mean chuck knoll knoll. No not years. Knowles guy what four double-check nolan has for you. He's got four wall. Chances three is that bill lost three. Is that right. bill. Walsh has three. They were right. Yeah yeah the fourth one was without when steve young was coach right. I mean the quarterback. Joe gibbs has the right and greg gibbs so it for them. Yeah just as many quarterbacks is there is head coaches the com- bella check brady quarterback bradshaw knoll montana walsh and the fourth one was. Who am i missing bradshaw knoll. Belichick brady walsh montana. Who's the fourth coach. Gibbs joe gibbs and johanna with i think three different quarter thighs men rippin and douglas. Doug williams was the other one answer. That's that's that may be the most impressive. you could also throw jimmy johnson bone. Because if it wasn't for the ego clash he would have won that third. And if it also wasn't i mean and i love barry switzer but berry raw wanted with jimmy's players when he left and berry won a super bowl examples. Jimmy's team but still bearing head to coach him. But the truth. Jimmy's only got two. So you start to think how hard it is to come by andy. Reid one more is in fairly rarefied. If he gets up to sixth all-time a coaching wins. Andy reid is going to go down. Because he ain't go any reads a young man. Andy reid is not going anywhere anytime soon. Let's andy reid is going to go down as a top five. Nfl head coach of all time is good. It's tony dungy super he's got one john madden one one winner to john. Get a second one. No because he wasn't the coach of the second right. He won the first floor. Has that's right in john madden on the first one with the stabler group. So you start to think about. Let's see plunkett. Was that and then the oakland lost with gruden so the poll question is up. Is bill belichick. Currently as head coach current still the best head coach in the nfl. Yes or no and our cook question here at seven one. Three two five seven ninety. You gotta choice. You don't get both the shawn watson states throughout his career and you win a super bowl. You're guaranteed a super bowl as a texans fan. But if you keep watson the astros and the rockets are guaranteed. They don't get to a championship game the entire time. Watson's here. what are you taking. If you decide on the astros rockets that you want them to be in a title game. Walk watson goes make your choice give us a call seven three two one two five seven hundred and the poll questions up. Who's the current. Nfl's best head coach current sports socks. Ninety hello haters from la to new york her up and kiss our ask astros. Oh good this. This is sports talk. Seven ninety home of your astros. Still twenty seventeen champs about it. Sean salisbury show us right now. Ford stocks seven vic depot. Thirty two nine assess bowl. Seasons is most of them Rockets players james harden his debut meeting in a debut We'll get that in a second. Had forty seven his debut james thirty seven thirty to six thirty six four the next night right all right so this enemy thing and i wish people on twitter would spell his name right and i don't know how to spell his name. It's b. i. E. n. i. e. m. y. People go b. i. e. m. y. Coach respect on his name and spell the damn thing right. It's a difficult name to spell but don't put it. It's not easy but it's not do well. How many have you heard name be enemy. How hard is it to look it up hugo and copying the was never one of them. I would look it up. But i look at it. I'm not gonna crush everybody easy name. It's called if we can't okay. So what if you came on the show start brown. Benny you want me about fans in general fans know how to google open. I'm not gonna put everything for us in the media talking about. I don't i don't give a rat's ass about your head coach spell right if you're gonna put his name on twitter spell it right takes even if a friend all of a sudden if a typo comes on and sean spelled s. h. a. w. n. I won't even answer their question. I'll say it's an and then when they said oh. My battery was gone. Because i am if i if i did that. Me and my girl will never be together. She used to spell my name wrong all the time. She intersex she still in my c. H. e. a. l. And i just let it go. Let it go. It's a name put respect on airbnb. Don't don't come to call me and tell me he's a great head coach but you don't know how to spell his damn name or don't take the time to look forward on. It doesn't take much to google his name and say. Let me spell it right. Because how can. I take your tweet series. If you screw up the name of the guy i know. We all misspell. Their there sometimes used the wrong grammar. The we should. Hopefully you know the difference between capital and capital. But i got pet peeves. What is spell a grown ass. Man's name wrong when you're gonna approach it. It's not an e. em y. i. C. all over. I'm talking about from. It's not. I see it from journalists and stuff on twitter. And it's not like out sean for i'm just saying spell the cat's name right. He deserves it. He's going to be the head coach somewhere. Hopefully right here which is likely that which led me to and i don't know why those things bug me. It's like eric vietnamese. The best coach. I'm done studying. he's awesome. Here's what you're supposed to take much. I get it. But i am going to sweat him. You don't have to but when you call. I'll learn quickly took me. I think it took me a year of mike. D'antoni being here to make sure you know properly got his name right. You know what i mean like. If you want to get like i've i've i've been making sure of double check and when i spell victor oladipo that spill all depot right. Even though it's not that difficult should spelling. It's oh l. a. d. ipo sounds like it sounds old depot. When i type in his first name. I keep forgetting the tea. I don't know why when brock osweiler was here victory. You go typing vicar. Today i was on the website and i stack stanley. Put victory over the phone. I'd like to be kind of like a cool. But he's got to get a win. I all right so with that. I like i said for me i understand. It's not that big a deal. But i'm just a stickler for that because i'm like it doesn't take much effort so you can't turn around and be mad at somebody if they spell your name wrong if you don't want to spell b enemies name correct. He's a quite frankly. He's earned it and with that. If tony dungy speaks to his character. If andy reid speaks to his character an coaching ability. Both of them. At patrick mahomes you're sitting here with five teams already made a decision to left. You got an opportunity to hire a guy who's around the most explosive offense on the planet a coach. Who's one of the best coaches in the world on with the coach with a quarterback who's the best quarterback overall on the planet and everybody. There's an around the league. There's talking eric benhamou. He's not qualified for this. Well he's done. There's other the only way you're going to know if he's a good head coach if you hire him and in four years if it doesn't work guess what we'll do again hire a new one but this guy has earned the opportunity now. Listen i'm not honest payroll. I don't know how to spell the name. Put e be on there. But it's i e y que just just so people understand he may maybe your new head coach. He's earned the right amid with all this now. He could go back and be secure in kansas city. No prompt keep winning and next year. The same thing but it is time. It's time to find out if it's good for tony. Dungy character super bowl champion. Good for andy. Reid character super bowl champion. Good for patrick. Mahomes character super bowl. Champion and watson likes character super bowl champion. What are we waiting on. I know the seasons got end. Yeah you know what you wanna. You ended saying we've stopped our coaching search bingo. If if if you know you love him. Stop it and hire him. If there's there's more interviews after the rounds that they've had now base right so they got one. I think that they are going to hire me and me i've change. I've i've gotten to that point. He's the he's the only guy left that i mean they have. The eagles interviewed him. I don't i don't think so. They came late to the party. I can't do it now this week. They'd have to wait until after next week to get permission. You only get a short window. Yeah and that one's because you'll have an extra week in between two. So i mean i. I think the text date or not. I actually think the texans are going to do good. And in terms of making people feel better inside the organization hiring him and this isn't just. This isn't a charity case. Eric vietnamese early deserving. But i think there's the added benefit of the they're going to think of that. Well if it keeps your quarterback and coach together all in an enemies. Allthough go higher josh mcdaniels and really screw this out. They don't wanna do that. They don't want to buy vietnamese. The just look at the people who talk about him sports. Talk seven ninety head into our number two. You got the questions. Were waiting for your answer. Seven one three two hundred five seven hundred shot. Sol's parts formula built quarterback very. This is the sean salisbury show. Sports talk seven eighty. I would hope we're stepping closer to getting a head coach here in houston for the texans and the shaun thing can be diffused and we can make quarterback happy and start the personnel decisions of keeping players. You want getting rid of players you don't and finding somehow some way to manufacture some trust in the building right. That would help. That'd be nice. Yeah trust in the building would be good because there's just not a lot of it. I just don't know that there's anything they're going to do. Give you trust other than pyrite head coach doing that. Start right byron. Ola jack easterby and if if caserio says this is the guy i want meaning eric the enemy and to sean i would think thumbs it. Up because the all-talk as it he i don't know if endorses the right word but supported the eric be enemy interview right. Yeah i would think that you would feel pretty good. That's a step in the right direction stab in the right direction. Now you can really screw it up by hiring somebody you know listen. I don't know of coach collins the the right guy but nobody. You know baltimore's assistant head coach for john harbaugh but i would think that you probably at a time when you need stability and what people want. And i'm not saying he would bring stability. But i i don't know there's a sexy higher fair to say that just a blah higher for the pr but he may be a great head coach. Yeah he. He defines his law. Yeah of course the nila koldo would we sixty to seventy yeah to me. Leslie frazier would define that. I know that he's had and he's doing a good job. Defensively now but those kind of guys like that inspires no no feeling either good or bad whatever. It doesn't mean that they can't come here right and blah doesn't also mean died. I just think were time right now when it's important not just here but when somebody's warranted the opportunity that they that they give 'em now jim caldwell deserve a gym called in fire in the first place. Whether you like innovative. He was or wasn't all those things. He was a successful guy. And you know what the owner feels like. They're not taking strides. You make a change but isn't it time. How what else does eric gotta do. An assistant to get a chance. I don't know man. There's really shouldn't be much at all true. I mean can you think of a more qualified assistant head coach right now. I guess there's some did have been interviewed of the guys that are left are just been assistant. He's probably it came. Leslie fraser's head coach. Yeah i think leslie was by eighty five bears team. Though as a player he might have been on that super bowl team. I believe he was as a player so he understands a winning. He's been core. He's been a successful assistant for a long time and he had some success minnesota he was on the eighty five bears. Jim caldwell been on super bowl teams as a coach. Frazier was the coach in minnesota for three full seasons part of another and one winning season the playoffs right twenty one thirty two overall todd bowles tremendous. Arizona was a good player. Did some good things in new york. Some actually think that he got a little bit. Hose there as well doing a great job in tampa. Their defense is playing. Well probably deserves another head coaching chance but he's qualified but for the guys who've never been hired as a head coach brian debut. Who's gonna go back to buffalo and understandably so. I don't think the eagles are going to hire him. I don't believe that. The texans are either. But brian able more qualified than i mean. Super bowls. he. He's he's actually wanna lot. Who debacle we was the patriots that i'm talking about as the coordinator. Oh as the coordinator now young now. He's got he's got how many rings he's got. At least i think he has at least five rings. Espn rings and he's got to got a question. I'm ed as i should have prepped. Subway saying here's the line. He was a coordinator for saving when they won the title right. And if you're gonna stick by the well. College is different than the pros really pay much attention to. I mean if you if you're good coach. Your coach usually rising a good players. Yeah they make a good coach but no dabbles got a bunch of rings. I meant as a playcaller. Now we get the match right. Yeah if it'll be fun it's like two guys want to be head coaches two guys that are qualified. Dave will actually has more rings than any of these guys that are being interviewed any of them right as far as yes assistant coach. He's got more nydia met as a playcaller in the. Nfl has he. He has not called plays in a super bowl or at least been that title. Right and eric beating me debut. Probably the second. Most qualified of non of first time higher head coaches. But it doesn't appear that he's leaving buffalo. Eric vietnamese qualified. eric qualified. The question we have for the show is different from the twitter. Poll question sports seven ninety on our twitter is if you could be guaranteed the shawn watson a win you a super bowl. Is it texans. And you get to keep him for the entire entirety of his career. But the change to that is if you decide watson goes the astros and the rockets will have a chance to be a championship again. If you keep watson and he stays for his career the texans win a super bowl but neither of the other two franchises in the city get a chance to even be in a championship game. Which would you decide andy. what's going on. That's crazy scenario right there. I don't know how to even attack that attack it. Pick one I'd rather the astros won a championship so now they don't win it they don't even get to win it you see. If watt sincere guaranteed not to be in it if lots and lots of were to leave you'll at least get a chance to be in it if he's here you didn't get a chance to be in it. What would you choose. Let why let watch and leave. And and i tell you. I looked back at all the great quarterbacks and and what comes to mind is that they don't cause no problems. I think brady many hemi years brady took less money less money so the team could have you know have better players. I believe watson would have been better off marching down there and having a meeting with towel face to face and instead of going out in the public until and cow. Hey this this this. Or i'm going i'm going out in public and i'm gonna cause all kinds of problems because i gotta be honest with you. Great year this year but this team last two years and has been going backward. Anyway the tunsil deal giving up. All the picks getting rid of hopkins. I mean if he hadn't seen what's been happening. I mean i would mark the author set down with cow man to man face to face and said this this this and he didn't. He went out to the public crying win. Does he go to the public crying. So and how do you know the. He didn't go to the office. Talk to what. Point in time has watson said. He wanted to be traded publicly. I didn't say about the trae about trade. Okay yeah i didn't. They tweet tweets trust some lyrics and he never wants know. I can't stand the front office. Or anything he has tweeted some cryptic stuff. Yes okay so the guy's just told me what did he go out above that tweeting in public tweeting his public. You don't have to in front of a camera. These days like in the old days tweeting his public or sat down with reporter. Tweet out the pub. I just say he should. I think you should have been man to man and kept behind you. You always say what of team what. What's the only the haddish's with a pro athletes keeping the locker room so keep it in the office of fair enough. I listened perspective opinion. Thanks for the call. I get talia. Takao not making promises that he didn't fulfill to his quarterback. Then you could be mad shots. Nothing wrong other than sitting in cryptic tweet and you they listen. I get what you're talking about. I think both of them need to find a way to meet in the middle. But i think the olive branches comic near as to extend. He's the owner. He's put them in this situation by being dishonoured by by not following following through with his commitment. What he said to shawn watson. I get what you're saying. Is andy i do and i love your passion about it but the sean has been in. Truth to sean. Hasn't been dishonest at any point in time the dishonesty is come. Unfortunately on the other end if you look somebody in the face. I'm gonna let you have some input. Let them have some input. So i understand that distrust there and i understand why you choose. You know the astros and rockets in that in that decision. But i think the sean watson's done for the most part the right thing and hand well people tweet. And you're right that is public or you like something that's public has has gone somewhere else in the cryptic tweets but we still have not hear the accent. Say they want to trade him and we've never heard once we're watson said i want out now we've heard reports of him saying that And these insiders do a great job of doing their research but we haven't heard any reports of him not of him publicly saying i guess time will tell. Hopefully if it's eric being mirror. Whoever that next coaches that they can soften this as long as an and with nick caserio and make it something wants wants to be a part of it. Just wouldn't trade mahomes trade watson but anti i understand your passion of you watson to go to the office i would count aaron watson to set to to to meet face to face. Put the phone down and talk. Yes that would be great. Whoever starts it would be nice if the owners since he signs the paychecks at least calls don't text reach out and say let's schedule something and then it's up to sean to decide if he wants to take that meeting sports. Talk seven ninety. Hopefully we'll have a coach here in the next couple of weeks. And if they stop interviewing people maybe we'll have an idea who that guy is. I think a lot of people would love to do kansas city. Continue to play sports. Talk seven ninety. We will stick it out next here. Sean south ratio heavy tmc as well proudly broadcasting from the most hated city in baseball. Houston rides with the sean salisbury. Show on sports talk. Seven hundred sean. What do you hear not. Just the cells breeze stakeout. Steakhouse on the sean salisbury. Show guys. it's a tuesday how we feel and today. Let's take it out and see what you got the new york. Mets have become a mess overnight. Last night there was a story out of their new general manager. good lord. We just lost his name. My head jared porter the recent higher. Yes he was the recent hire. He made the big trade landed in francisco. Lynn door he was out of really great. Trade The need to keep him and i'm sure they will as well. They're not trading for him to not keep him but he got that guy in there. There was a story from. Espn though that well a few years ago he was harassing a reporter with a bunch of text messages and eventually sent a picture of his to her that she did not want yes that she didn't always use a foreign country and basically didn't understand the culture to like it was fearful of a lot of things and wanted to run this story a few years ago but they didn't and espn drought last night. While to this morning. The new mets owner. Steve cohen has fired. Jared porter saying that they have zero tolerance policy for this and that there should be you know integrity involved in this world. You gotta learn from mistakes man from other people. You just can't do. It can't do it you just can't do it and good for i mean can't held the story because she didn't want this wanted she gave the okay. Now why is. She said that she wanted to make sure that other people make sure that people don't have this happened just can't i. Applaud the new york mets for not tolerate it and move on. If you're george springer are your ruling out the mets or does this matter because it's apparently still down to the mets or the blue jays. Think george springer that high you would you would applaud the mets for making a moral character Proper decision and that that would even that would make george cruciate the franchise even more i do. I mean i. I plus that guy whoever the if they want george assistant. Gm promote is gonna still want george springer right. So i would think you want a building filled with character not not mistakes that somebody needs to learn from and the mets decided it was time to move on and good for them. And if you're the gm own raise your hand say you made a mistake and rehab your your rehab your reputation and rehab your mistake and don't bother females. Leave him alone yeah. There's a simple message right. It's pretty simple to not be asleep ball and my mind but there's a lot of people make mistakes but when they're this is this is a. It's not a mistake. This just stupidity silly and so move on. Good for the mets no. I don't think it will affect george springer. Well he's gonna go where not only where the money is. But if you're a character person springer appears to be then you would applaud the ownership for saying we're not gonna tolerate this zero-tolerance nowadays is Is the way it should be from it. I'm with you. don't have a problem with it. And he did a good job silent door smart move but you know what you got only gonna good decisions in the building. You gotta make good decisions out of the bill in your life. Yes exactly right. Could you imagine. I mean he walked around with this knowing that this story was out there and that it could be a thing for three years and got himself more promotions and then eventually got this job. Well when they say that when there's no respect and you're not let go so that your wife such a girl for intimate relationships with you guys have a live under the same roof and this is the way you guys say. Hide each other during the day. Say here's a picture of my job. Fifteen of them move on right. Yeah stop so i. It's it's mistakes. Like i said i. Don people have skeletons in the closet. Make mistakes but carrying that around. But it's self inflicted she part of his explanation and the espn stores so he was talking to espn about it because he was kind of trying to play it off like nothing had happened. It was i i. It's it's terrible. It's comical that. He thought that this was going to go by reached by espn monday evening. Porter acknowledged texting with the woman he initially said. He had not seen any pictures of himself. When told the exchanges show that he had sent selfish in other pictures he said. The more explicit ones are not of me. those are the kind of kind of like joke stock images. Apparently he's got joke. Stock images of men's penises stance bones. It's not funny terrible mistake. How could how could he say that with a straight face. Hope he gets it together and learn from it. And i hope that the gals life isn't disrupted as that. She says that she imparted. Why she got out of journalism is because of that. That's too bad. Hopefully the next stage of her life. She's now the next step she's happier right. It's a bummer for everybody involved. It's it's Kudos to the mets for doing the right thing Heavy t what you got. So real quick i reposted our question about. Would you rather have watson. And the texans winner the astros and the rockets win We you can find that on our sports. Talk seven hundred twitter now. The cuts for football started last night. At least some of the big names the ravens went ahead and cut. Rg three bobby. Yup and mark ingram. That was the big one. That was kind of more surprised. Last night he was a he was a healthy scratch scratch. You had to think something was up. I think the salary weeks. he's been a healthy scratch. So my question is to me personally. I think he can still go. He has thirty one. I think he had some stuff is on the wrong side. Thirty however if you are the texans would you sign them. And what is the actual percentage of you. Think them actually signing him. I would for a for a minimum for for a very decent price and a fair price. Sign it because he's an insight. Banger any understands run game. I don't know if he's he's i i do know he's not like a third down back. You'd still need that. Change pitch back but for the right price. I think he's still got something. I understand the thirty. That's why you've got a loaded with incentives and pay him a small amount of money now if he wants to play. I would pass on a thirty one year old back. That's just me right. Finally find somebody i would for. What for two and a half million bucks now. It also depends on. Who else would want to come here and play and what you can get on the cheap mark. Ingram's got a lot of stuff in the game. Meaning he's he's been doing it a while and he's got a lot of wear and tear but he's still a nice change back it would just depend. i don't think it's a high percentage that he comes here. I don't think if a terrorist enemy they're going to want somebody that's got a little more wiggle right guy. Even though they use different backs somebody who gives them a little more versatility. But i think mark somebody will pick up mark ingram. It'll just be for a very very low price. I don't think it'll be here if vietnamese enemies the coach because why you want guy you'd also like a guy that you could keep out there three downs mark. Ingram wouldn't be a three down back now right there with anything else. You got for me watching the rockets last night. I said this post game. I want to see if you agree. It's pretty clear to me that we even when they get full strength here. Pj tucker is not going to be a fit for this basketball team. It's just awkward. He doesn't have the spot in the corner anymore. To really stand in and nobody's getting the ball out. There have changed since for him. Since james left is i mean. He's he just doesn't feel like do you think that they should be looking to trade him now. I actually think they're going to i think so too. I just think i would push the envelope now and try to find somebody. Traits wins that when he's freed up. I think it's march now for win back. No not the deadline member. There's only certain trains can't be made under. I would think it's deadlines march twenty fifth right. I knew that the regular the ended the all encompassing trade debt. Yes but when you can start. Certain contracts fed that rule is i. I would say you do everything you can to start moving. I don't think he's long for this team anymore. I don't that doesn't mean he can't go give somebody some energy and play. It gives you defensive energies offensively. He didn't even get up a shot until two minutes left in the fourth. Quarter the change. In the way they do things is probably. I don't think when this when we pass late march they'll be on iraq. It's uniform somehow. Somebody's gonna want his defensive energy and his attitude you know yeah tough guy get after it especially a team may save a guy like that away. I don't think. I don't think that it's going to be here. And they and. I think you start see rotation goes along. You're not gonna get much from him. I don't think especially on the offense. Meanwhile you're playing. But i mean it's honestly don't even notice like i said he didn't even see he's scored two points. That came with two minutes left in the fourth quarter of. I'm not saying they're doing it on purpose. He's kind of the guy froze out offensively. It's just the fit wise like they've got other guys that are in the corner now and pj can only shoot the corner three basically right and if those guys are down and then he's not you'll you put him and get his minutes because he's great energy and he's you know he's gonna work. Yeah i just don't think that when the season's over i've of felt that when when the seasons star they didn't give the extent. I didn't think that he was going to be long for. I think by march you'll be gone. I do to make him. A bad guy doesn't mean you forever love. Pj tucker and what he meant to the team and his energy for years. How can you not west. What's on your mind man. How you doing man. I just wanted to gain on shawn watson hey man yeah but longtime listener. Joe show i. I'll call the show show so let me get that off the win. i think. Hey man i had to. I had to go with my partner house this weekend and i had talk after late. Man stephan shawn watson stuff man. I've been really stressed out my partner. Man he's a real thing. He drew a line on it with him to man. If they don't wanna be here out of here man i mean. I'm ann macdonald sports. And i want to look for people wanna want to be here man. And my my issue with the sean you had all these stock is on the table when you took your money three or four months ago man. So i don't understand how they i i've seen how things have changed but at the same time if you look at it the sun you don't find extension you play. You're out you're not even happening right now in your forty million go where you want no strings pet people. Look at you weird. My my issue just man. I understand how we're on his But what is also you sign the contract man and you had all these facts is going on at the time already. Been traded carlin for bills head east to be was there. So i if you had no draft capital you have one four twelve. Imagine i feel come on man. Yeah with i'm with you man. Thanks so much for the call. I appreciate the compliment to thank you very much. And we will discuss e pal. Zola will help us with that from pro football. Focus but i get it. I get it. And he's so beloved here. It would seem it would be so heartbreaking to even think that he'd want out or that they would let him get out good point man sports talk seven hundred sixty follows all pro football focus next. Wear a mask or gloves. Where leather and chains reminds me of that time. I accidentally walked into an sm convention. Back still hurts is speaking of back. Pain back former. Qb sean salisbury on sports. Talk seven hundred ninety. Get medieval m shaun. I've been going all in on the medieval been middle east medieval on this trade talk and it's exhausting. But we'll have steve powell with his expertise. Cleared up a little bit knows this position and football as well as anybody. Senior analyst pro football focus joins us as he does every week here on sports. Talk seven ninety. All right steve. Tell me how far back you would set this franchise if you traded to shawn watson. I'm sorry this is what has to be discussed right now. It's pleasurable yes. Yeah you spend years looking for this guy you know. Look at the miami. Dolphins suspense twenty years. Look at dan marino. And you know the the patriots might never be good again and so somebody. That's you know close to tom brady. So yeah it's a it's a big deal. Finding this guy you know finding the guy that can lead your franchise watson especially in. How much did we talk about. How much improved this year and the steps that he had taken. I mean he's probably the second best commodity in the entire league behind. Patrick mahomes the second most valuable player that you would start a franchise with going forward so it's a big deal If he does get traded. I mean you have to be talking three ones and multiple tattoos. I think at a minimum And you would like to get even more than that so And even if you do if one of those one doesn't become an above average quarterback. It almost doesn't matter that trade knocking to be even So yeah it's a tough situation to be unless they can resolve things internal steve you and i. It's as if we were talking before we didn't because i said the same thing i said. If mahomes was here and watson was in kansas city. Kansas city would still be the one seed and the texans would have been four and twelve. I believe are five and eleven at best. I believe they're the steetch. Have different skills. That the other doesn't and to start a franchise. Both of them you start one two and the rest come into play. It's these two. So with that in mind i'm gonna play. I'm gonna play a guy who's calling you be the gm for a second. Because i brought this up in san francisco and okay. I'm calling you. i'm john lynch and your kalmyk nick. Caserio say i'll give you three ones. Jimmy garoppolo a number two and nick bosa. Are you making that trade. I honestly on paper no agreeing i. It depends on how it really depends on how fractured the relationship. Is you know if if if the texans are losing leverage and they don't have a way to resolve things internally. Have the sean play here and feel good about it and all that fun stuff Then then i. Then that's a. That's a reasonable trait right. I mean it's not it's not attractive. Going from the shawn watson and jimmy garoppolo. The one thing that is attractive for the texans is working in this mess because they didn't have draft capital for a few years and they don't going forward they don't have the first or the second this year right so That's the one piece of this. That is attractive is accelerating the way the rest of this rosters gonna look Nick phosa versus shawn watson. Not even close from a value standpoint watson is the guy is great as they close. It is but at least getting. Say a middle of the pack quarterback in there. Plus if you more draft picks to to potentially find a top ten guy what's adding depth to the roster. That's the type of trade that would need to happen. If you're forced the trade shawn watson but honestly it comes down to the relationship and what he's willing to accept and if he's willing to say steve pals all pro football focus senior analyst. Yes stephen least. You're going to answer the call but that you're still not sold on if you houston that you're winning that trade okay. Trevor lawrence orlando no. Let me go to sam darnold and four number ones. No knock on and you know and you know what's crazy steve. We say that. But if he was on in san francisco said this yesterday and when you say what i t the trade i just told you that's way too much to give up. It's a it's it's jimmy. A number one next year and number two this year. I said i'm not even answering your call. You're not even in the same area code. I mean you just said sam darnold and four number ones. That's how valuable watson is. I can't trade him steve. I can't even listen at worst almost got to try. You know you hire be enemy or whoever to to try and cozy up the relationship and say listen. We'll do it in spite of cow. Mcnair and we'll take care of this. We don't hang around the owner very much anyway. Let's go win this thing i. I can't trade him. Because i worked my whole career to get a guy like him and i got to go back and try to find him again. It's just stupid. You gotta make me an offer that you gotta make me an offer that your franchise forgiving. Those guys up is gonna suffer so much. They my franchise wins. Yeah i mean just go. Let's go back to say like the two thousand fifteen texans just for perspective you said you said sam darnold and four ones right. We don't know what darnold can be can salvage himself. But let's pretend for instance those those ones. I'm just using texans guys right. What if they became. Jj watt whitney mercilus. And today's been cloudy. Who was a number one overall. Pick and i'm trying to look in the offensive side indre right. Let's say four players were added to the team. Well texans fans know before they had to shawn watson you know there. There were a playoff team because they didn't have a quarterback because they didn't have that baseline of excellence even if you had lot. Merciless cloudy and deandre hopkins with those four. First rounders. if you're if you're lacking at the quarterback position your margin of error every single year for the playoffs and winning a championship is just so much. Molly you just. Don't have that opportunity. So i think that just puts in perspective. How valuable watson their quarterback. Thank you as validation for a guy who studies it as much as anybody in grades players to validate the fact. That even your four ones and sam darnold isn't enough for me to make a trade for somebody of this value into shawn watson. Let's talk about these playoffs. I got brady. I know how you feel about them too. But i had brady winning a super bowl this year in august. Should i come off that. Or in my. I mean they're in. How legitimate is my chance getting green bay in one of these other two teams kicks. I mean they could pull it off. They have they have the tools. I think brady got to play a little bit better than he did. The other day agreed I don't think radi brady brees look old right. I mean it was like you could see it. You see your time. It's doing yes. Yeah there are physical limitations brady brady. Has it looked old at any point. The season no matter what anybody tries to tell you he he just ran into a pretty good defense the other day honestly. He made a lot of good prose. Wanna godwin in the end zone that come back to johnson on the right side. Where the the the bachelor low throw was a grown ass anthro. Yeah no doubt absolutely. There's no physical limitations to tom. Brady plus that offense is is clicking. More i honestly i i think they ran the ball far too much. You know me and the run game. Yeah but they were going. I run first down. Run first down run. But that's when you've got to be running. Play action big clubs. They were so conservative. So i think tampa bay they open up the offense a little bit more like the did down the stretch and in the wildcard round against washington if they opened up the offense a little bit more even in the snow this weekend. Don't be afraid. Let let tom throw the ball around the field you have to attack the short intermediate range of the they can't be just chucking deep on third and one and thirty three that has to be a more well rounded and half game. I absolutely they base capable. Aaron rodgers probably isn't gonna throw the ball to them three or four times like freeze did But they did shutdown rogers the first time and i think they've got the pieces to at least make things tough on the panthers offense so yeah i think the boxer capable and i think it'll take brady play to really good games though down the stretch here. Okay if brady and rodgers played their best games take their best games this year and the tampa bay green bay defense has played their best games. Kind of like tampa to rodgers. Who's going to win. I'd probably lean green bay that one. I think roger's has played a little bit cleaner than brady this year You know his best games feature almost no mistakes. You know he just he just doesn't make he just doesn't miss if brady plays his best game. Though we're talking about hundred fifty or two hundred yards downfield passes. Because that's bruce arians system right so let me chunk plays. I hope that happens to play their best game for talking. Like forty five forty two and exciting. Nfc championship but I think the packers are just a tick better off and their defense is in a in a much better direction than allegedly seized. So the defense is going to have to force a few turnover short field for tampa to go into twenty four degree weather and win. Okay and the last minute. I have with you. Gimme one reason. Buffalo can go into arrowhead and win below just has a really good all around team. They've won games with the run game. One games with their defense and of course. They've wanted to josh allen playing in an mvp caliber level. And that's been a lot like the niners last year but with a better quarterback with the niners would win games and different ways on their way to the super bowl. So i've loved watching that about the pills and the homes concussion or not or whatever just a tick off down the stretch here even the other day he was just okay so i think the bills have a shot. Because they're such a good well rounded team need to make some special place though of course always comes down to the quarterback okay. Let's better steak. Dinner i got. I got my preseason pick of tampa in kansas city. Going to the super bowl who got. I hate that and get palm. I'll take tampa buffalo. Just you know just for fun tampa in buffalo and if we can never meet in person well We haven't seen each other in person since the super bowl or to get this thing over so steak dinner on it. Loser buys fair enough job. Look through it all right. We'll talk next week. Brother appreciate you. That steve palaiseau. Thanks for joining us. That's great you bet pro. Football focus great stuff about watson see. He's on our pays in our church. Pews sit in the same church. Listen to state pastor no pun intended about the front office and texts me acts. Yes that is exactly how you want it okay. You can't trade watson for even darnold four number ones sports. Talk seven ninety step back. Three s. green. Sean salisbury show. Worst-off seven nine rockets fathom the value of a commodity. And how important it is right in when it comes to football sports. Talk seven hundred heavy. Tmc seven three two one. Two five seven hundred. We've got a poll question up about ballot. Check who the best coach. Currently in the league is where you'd start but we also an sports seven ninety. Excuse me the question i've asked. If you have to shawn watson you'd get to keep him and guarantees a texan super bowl throughout the course of his career. But if you decide that you don't get texans. I mean the rockets and or astros even in a championship game during the duration watson's career. If watts leaves you're at least in position to win a championship for the other two franchises. What do you choose. It's not realistic. That's okay that's why they're called poll questions and questions to answer to put you in a spot to make a decision. Who would you choose. I'm taking keeping watson in the texans to win a super bowl all sacrifice the other two while watson's here to win a super bowl champion. I'll take the ring more than i will the chance to wintering. Yeah i just made. It's it's all personal. I want all them to eventually do it. Obviously i yes but you know if i had to go that scenario where i would just take my chances with the to the other. Two have not paed- my face as much told me rain. As the other franchise has that's terrible but it's just the truth. I wish they hadn't done that but they have. Though the other two tip look the rockets. Been a little bit of a mess in the last few months. But it's not really on them. It's on james. Harden has basically quitting and the astros. They don't lie to you. They never liked me. They tell me something. And then they follow through on it every single time heavy no-brainer for you or is it a thought you said a guarantee not even close for me personally like i said. I think it's not even close if you are able to get the right coaching here. Keep sean happy and win a super bowl. There you go the fans will the fans will be like. Oh yeah who's jackie's they. They won't care anymore. I'm some probably well but they won't care anymore. They would've figured like oh. Hey the front office figured it out there on the same page a super bowl. Smooth over everything. I i would agree. I i understand the sacrifice to make But i would wholeheartedly want the super bowl ring. I wonder if this would ever turn to a football town. I don't think it is. I don't think it's football. I mean they win a super bowl. It's it's definitely got. I think we talk more astra not just here but overall it seemed the astros because they're the most recent winner but i wonder what city would do if they want super bowl. I think about how much just winning that one title for. The astros zinc is in graining into the younger generation of how they'll come up and raised. Because like i see all the time like my brother who doesn't even live in houston over new braunfels now like his kid he too to be two years older than the next guy. All he wants to do is do is. He's got all his astros year. My on a baseball fan like that. You know that type of thing like it impacted him. Yeah it's going to impact so many kids. Because i think about me is like the astros are good rounds kid and if they weren't good then it probably be a little bit different. It is a little bit different from me that with the rockets because they weren't as good as the astros were but like i just wonder how generation comes up to where it's like. It's going to be a football town. It's texas but this is this city's been run by the astros twenty five years or whatever already think about how important the quarterback position is. If you haven't already. I know but do you think about it. The four cats that are in the playoffs are like the four highest or four of the highest rated. I think the four highest rated quarterbacks one could be one and two in one category one in the nfl. These four teams are in the final. Four watson would be the other guy now. Think about this for a guy who studies every game every week of every team the grades give out whether you're grading systems different than theirs. They watched tape the value and he made a great point. If you had hopkins watt mercilus and who was the other one that he said the four hundred hundred these tunsil no no. Hopkins watt mercilus and Cloudy yeah. We've seen the movie without the shawn watson. They're not wondering super bowl. No they were with an average quarterback. They're finding their way tonight at seven right in. They were foreign twelve with watson. This is the aberration because their defense was epic bad and with angel reason trades and watson. They want four games because of him he would not trade for sam darnold and four from picks which means four high first round picks. The jets suck yeah. I wouldn't either. I know that's my hell is. He's dead damn good people around the league all that's too much we're not gonna mortgage are france in common me. Could ask him for deshaun watson. You don't get to have a top two quarterback and then give me a bottom third quarterback or draft picks. We don't know are going to be any good right. I'll take the asset that i have. It's a proven asset the tendons mid twenties before all take your four first round picks up. I know it's great. We got four first rounders the odd say the two of them were gonna fail. Yeah and wall darnold map potential. We've seen darnold does without players right. Banana ben good right now you give him give him. Kansas city darnold probably a little bit better. But he's probably a little better here because the right person l. better receivers. Yeah it's probably not gonna be a tunnel so it's amazing how and ride i'm gonna ask you to stay there be patient. We'll get you at the eight o'clock hour because i need to take a break about. You'd rather have watson stay there you'll be you'll eat it off. We got much to discuss. Including victor all depots debut in a loss for the rockets. It look pretty good. But no more victories. With this watson. Thing steve powell said i propose the train and then i asked the jets. Four first rounders darnold. He said wouldn't take any he didn't hesitate on that one. You'd think about that. Texans come on. There's the people that are as smart as you in studying this game. Steve follows all those studies at like. Think i studied it. You can't do it. You just can't do it. So what's the alternative. Fix the damn thing and it starts by hiring well quite frankly in my mind. Eric can't city when he's done which may be the now. Maybe in three weeks. Sportstalk seven. Ninety sean salisbury. Show dr jeff whitsett vision dot com whitsett vision dot com your free consultation. 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What do doing then what type what type of returns you're trying to form the first thing that pops in my mind situation. He might manning when she was first drafted right back two thousand four and that's not a perfect analogy because at that point he wise. And wasn't you know. An nfl player himself drafted somewhere. But it was similar in that Team that won then. The san diego chargers he made it clear. He's not gonna fan diego. He didn't wanna play the chargers and he went so far as to say that he was willing to sit out of here if If if the turks went drafted him now that the the san diego did go ahead and pick him with number one pack and then it was like an hour later that There was you know the the the the The giants came and basically can't thing of what you're describing right. Get hall of draft picks They also a philip rivers right because that was picking two thousand four so they sent Philip rivers Plus three draft picks To san diego interference freeway manny now. And what are you going to do with those draft picks. Basically i looked at basically next to nothing right. I mean the the all three players. There was one that played with him for some degree. Time as a placekicker and the other two guys last maybe couple or three years. You never right now. They did get philip rivers. Who was fantastic for him. He's gonna go hall of fame. There was a lot of a lot of production so there was a lot that that san diego's able to do with burst. But you know what the know what the giants did with. Eli manning won t superbowls right the whole notion that you can just let shawn watson walk. I it's it's like the guy from the guy. The guy you interviewed. Steve yes the notion that you can just let this guy walk and that you can go and get somebody you know. I find his replacement find his equivalents. Good frigging like i mean. Look to shawn watson in terms of his stats and twenty. Twenty was in the same conversation as tom brady. Do you think that you know and look at where the patriots aren't how that they tom brady right i get it so you know i it would be i wanna see And and to answer the specific question. Would i'd be willing to hold onto shawn watson one super bowl in return for the astros and the rockets not any championship Yeah i think i would. I think i've picked exchange. I think that you know would love to see the texans. Actually one and hornets do something But some tells me that they're about to situation. But i think you're gonna have trade him. I think that the organizations that jacked up that they're gonna they're gonna have to to try and move and i think the organization vastly worse for ryan. Great call. Thanks for the insight. I appreciate it. Appreciate your passion. You're right about the quarterback if you thought you were disgruntled or completely baffled by what. They did with the andre hopkins this. This'll be one hundred times worse. Am i crazy hundred times. The fact you're not gonna get you'll get a lot of first round picks this were to happen. None of it's not going to be the value watson. You didn't get near the value that you deserved for hopkins but because it's a quarterback and he's got the ball in his hand seventy now. Get a load of this. Think about this step. What's the average per game for offense in the nfl. Between sixty five and seventy. Yeah what the average plays on the offense average per game for the texans prime more owner or is less. I say okay. Look at his numbers. And it's pretty incredible. Fifteen or twenty half less than the other guys. it's it's good phenomenal. it's phenomenal so point being is you. Can't you if you think you were frustrated. Because i think that would happen with the i. Think this franchise the the hate group for the decisions. They made in the front office and for bill. O'brien that was the topper for him. And people never gonna forget that. But if they were to ship watson for draft picks in mid level quarterback. Do you have any idea unless you're telling me i'm getting patrick mahomes. I'm honestly not interested. I'm with you i am. Do you think. I'm nuts. For as i said he wouldn't take. Lamar jackson. two first rounders from. I wouldn't either not. I think traditional watson's far better today sitting here today. I do think the texans are going to trade him. I think they're that stupid. They're going to do it. Don't they know there's too many. There's too much smoke going around. You can't read the room. I don't think they can. I really do think that they're going to try to have that feeling. That thought but my gut been trying to prepare myself for basically since last week. Like i think we're gonna we're gonna suddenly get that alert on our phones that oh my god. They've tried it then. Why if you're eric be enemy or less than any of these. Unless you're a guy that you think. This is your last head coaching opportunity. Well doesn't that say why they're getting the interviews and these guys that. Why would i. If i was a guy who like the enemy. Who's got going to have more chances. Yeah you wouldn't make no matter of fact if i'm going to take the head coaching job. I have to know that four is going to be here. Hell yeah. I have to an four. Not here you got to let me know that. I'm getting trevor lawrence and other player and four first rounders. That ain't going to happen because they're not going to trade debt for their pr moving jacksonville. Because it's lawrence right. And i i just if trevor lawrence has a first four years like the shawn watson that will be considered a grand slam for jacksonville. I'm not talking about performance. By the quarterback that will be considered a grand slam home. Run by jacksonville. If you trade the shawn watson and you you got says yes. I can't i can't even. I don't even know what i would. 'cause there's no town hall you're gonna tell me you can shut down a franchise. Excuse me you shut down to an extent. You're you're gonna you will do. They really not understand the room. That i don't think they knew that cereals gotta be. He's was with brady for you. Got to be smart going to. I don't think. I think. I think the sean off so far that will cave. They'll it'll be like a hard situation all over that they will. They've pissed them off enough. And he has not been engaged with the franchise basically since all. This has gone down to where that'd be like well shown doesn't want to go train. That's i don't. I don't think he wants to but i think he just wants to not be here. Approved a trade there. what what. You're not gonna win there. I just think it's that bad that he just doesn't want to be here. I love robert solid. But what are they gonna do. Get rid of all. Those is good as to show. He was here and they still didn't win. If you're getting him you have to be a team this year. I mean i. It has to be a limited number forty. Niners the dolphins. If you're sean yeah. I'm going to a place that that can go with a soup. Overcoming giving up the draft picks in my head. Yeah to me dude. At the chargers have to look into it to sean. Yeah no no no from the standpoint of like that's the kind of team that has the infrastructure of a team around that can survive given traffic. They're going to say fourteen. The forty niners. Good the there's i i'm more interested in. Are they going to be all draft picks now. But i'm not talking about for sean. But the forty niners went to sean and a healthy forty-nine giving away draft picks and a player and you keep kindle and fred warner and get most unhealthy dabble deebo samuel healthy. You got there on the sean. Put it this way. The forty niners andy reid. Stone doesn't have a super bowl shawn watson. is the forty niners quarterbacking last year super bowl. They win that game in the fourth quarter. Sean doesn't go three for eleven. On some of those throws it doesn't miss emmanuel sanders. I think another team like that would drool for the. They drool him but like i look at denver. Oh of course the seattle and aslo receivers and everything like. Why wouldn't i think that the texans are gonna end up saying i. We are so concerned that this that he's not going to be engaged with us and he wants out that they'll trade. That would be the most monumental mistake. The franchise will ever agree. It's the case nick. What's on your mind man. Welcome in yeah. I got a question if they I don't know what's going on kind of the high low stuff. I guess if they ended up trading to sean is it perceived or are they. Are they choosing jack easterby. Who is a non guy over. Sean i am i am. I think you'd have to. It would make sense nick for you to believe that. Yes if it came down to here. I mean all speculation is it feels like that. Sean said that to them or his agent or not that. They're saying that but the public kind of feels that way. I think just from my finger on the pulse of this thing. If in fact. They trade to shawn watson. They are in essence saying the people in the building matter more than the quarterback does. That's exactly and if they if they trade to sean. I use it. That would be a mistake. I think between between like cova and trading to sean. I think that stadium is going to be empty if you want to get back to normal degree. If you trade to shawn watson this will set your franchise back at more not just physically on the field but just the overall feeling nick thank you for the phone call if you if you traded to shawn watson i i don't think it's just a kind of a bad move. It is monumental. It'll go down as one of the dumbest decisions you know who the last guy that got traded like let. Let's who wasn't dan passerini. Ken stabler when pass was thirty. And i love. Dan and dan had great potential and was beloved and still is. But we know shawn watson different player. I'm sure dan would admit that to. Dan was great but dan was thirty. Nine twenty five but think about a time during the season when you who during a career it. I never seen it happen. The shift at the beginning at the top of the draft during draft day. Draft this rivers manning or or elway fans going to baltimore. Okay i'm talking about the middle of their career. You just signed the country this just you. Just don't trade this guy. yeah you don't you. Don't trade this kind of guy. and yes. Nikki will set the franchise back so far. Did if you're dumb enough to step in the building and no disrespect to the other players. You've gotta go support if you're dumb enough to to to step in that building after this they're telling you they're not interested in winning if they trade watson that is exactly what they're telling you and i can't believe nicosia's not interested in winning. I don't believe that but they are telling you off the bat. We're not interested in winning or players feelings or anything. If they tried to shawn watson it'd be the equivalent of patrick mahomes. Andy waking up tomorrow and say you know what next year. we're trading mahomes the equivalent. Now i don't want super bowls but as far as players go their equivalent. He watson as close as there is to mahomes in this league josh allen probably not far behind because their ability to do both sports talk seven. I don't even like the entertainment man. It's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. Sports talk seven hundred. Back to sean salisbury. Show okay hurt. You guys have heard the phrase lit. Oh it's lit. All the phone lines are lip. Because this would go down. Not only is one of the worst trades in. It would be the worst trait in houston history. Any sport any sport. You decided to trade watson. I will tell you this it will go down. It will make them ethically inept it will tell you if they trade watson steve powell said i propose this. We're all your calls and roll seven one three two one two five ninety st paul. Although pro football focus studies type of everybody that give grades every week. All your long watson was the top five quarterback. All year breath the franchise. You're going to start with him in homes. I said it. He said it today to validate that as well. It's not even close to the next seven to ten years watson and moms or mahomes and watson whoever you choose i i said nick bosa on san francisco. Show yesterday proposes since. I'm not even sure. The texans would listen to this and people around the country. Wanna give watson give up nothing yet. I guess you would hope that cal wasn't silly enough to do that. Well i said. Nick bosa a second round pick jimmy garoppolo and three number ones and steve follows almost said. Well i'd have to see watson's head was in this. But i would have to think about it but i wouldn't lean doesn't sound real good to me take about that. Then he said the jets. Four number ones and sam darnold. He said i'm talking about before. Got out of my mouth absolutely not so when you talk about value. There's very few people in sports right now. I guess if baseball was doing mike trout would-be equivalent. I guess if if if everybody was in a high the cova didn't hit and salaries part of it just player for player trout against the nba. Maybe would wield that right now. Right maybe that type tha package right there maybe honest and then you say in football. It's two guys you wouldn't do it for rodgers. Even at this stage of his game is good as he has. He's gonna be the mvp. Not jackson not cuyler. Not russell wilson all these guys. We got that guy. He's here he's here. If the green bay packers had shawn watson is good as an rodgers has been the mvp my vote unequivocally if lots was there the green bay packers will be playing the tampa bay buccaneers for the nfc championship game. They would all right. Let's roll guys. Making we are so frigging loaded. Gotta i got speed jump a little bit. But i want to give you your platform. Let's roll. Julio you're up what's up. Man julio go ahead yeah yeah. We're this will go down as one of the worst trade ever we've been longing for. Qb such caliber as watts. We can't we can't do this. Gm nick caserio way. He needs to do is he. Needs to go down there fine sanwa's and wherever he's and he needs to guarantee that that's his guy. He needs to guarantee that he wants to make it. Work here in houston with the shawn. Watson are built around him. We had a offense pretty much all the shawn watson. that's all it was. We lost games because of defense. We didn't lose the games. Because of offense will tell you that watson yes agree no no i mean. Just think about it. We lost games that yeah pretty much let me just twenty five or more in and and not only that. We got a well. I mean i can't say broke down running back but i mean you know we got pretty much. Not much of anything for Our our our receiver hopkins no down. But you know what that's going to be them. We let us let go watson and this city has been just wanting this. Qb for so long from the start of the franchise started. We were always at team. That didn't have that. Qb and then now all of a sudden this guy is not happy. Because i'll tell you. The biggest mistake was pretty much ownership and bill grind. Bill they hired. Bill o'brien julio great. You know you gotta go there. They let it go. Yup great point thanks. Yeah they would be and we're not saying it is but it would be of epic proportions. If you did this you you you you just you can't you just can't guys i. I hate to say it. But i can't have a mugabe i'm gonna just because if if i don't limit you get your point. Let's be chris. Because i don't wanna leave anybody hanging because we are loaded matter of fact we got. We don't have enough fingers back there to answer phone calls right now right. Got ten of them so there. There's your answer. We got more than ten. I'd so roll through. Make your point. We'll comment on it. So let's go be precise Brian what's up. Brian go ahead. Let's go let's hang. You may not even know even though match and easter moaning or dumb enough to do that. I don't things will it's not going to happen. I don't do it avenue. they never gonna happen. I hope we watch them a hockey. Oh i'm watching hockey every day. Thank you brian i. I would hope they're not. I'll tell you this vase. Nick caserio and i don't mean literally and you guys get divorced. We can't have violence. I don't mean it. But if i if kalmyk near and jackie's to be trying to trade to shawn watson there would be a fight in the building that there it would not be good. Jack knows better. I mean Knicks used to having a good quarterback and winning. He knows harvey. What's up. let's go let's go. Let's go. I tell smith. Barney smith bum. Phillips trading deandre hopkins. None of it adds up to train and watson. It's gonna prove if he does that. It's gonna prove the community that cows not a businessman. Because he's running the own value of his own franchise. Thank you point. Harvey no doubt if you trade watson you are not interested in winning urinating away right. You've got you've got the mind of a middle. And you've got zero interest in winning if trade watts and that's all will you fans out there spending money on jerseys and going to the stadium if they're committed no i don't care what kind of fan you're watching home. If they trade watson they are telling you to your face and you could still be a great fan if you want. They're looking in the face. And saying i don't give a rat's ass about winning. That's what they're telling you. Reginald what's up man how you doing. Hey good morning. John m c. Hey man this is a soap opera. Called as the texans turn and if they trade him which i'm like mc i have a feeling they are they going to lose more than more fans than they they should and it's going to be just like when all those left here is going to be a sad angles great job. Reggie no question there. There is this guy's value to this franchise goes far deeper than just as ability throw touchdowns i'm telling you it does. And he's committed to social justice which matters and it's important to him. He's committed to winning. He's committed to plan when the season's over evil and you got no shot risking your forty million dollar body committed to it. Got to fix this. And i'm just telling you it may be time and i don't usually subscribe to this. It may very well be time for current teammates that they know are safe to come out and say we can't do this even though it may be to speak out when somebody asks you. What do you think about watson instead of saying well. I'm not the maybe it's time to say. We cannot do this or even consider it. Unless they know sean out. You're support him that way. But as far as the texans go. You've got to do everything he can't fix. Maybe the players need to make that point. And i put it on them. But maybe that's support gets it continues the groundswell of enough biscuit. What's up. yeah and they guy. You're talking about as mr jj watt. He's on the way to say john. That could sway a little bit. But i will say this sean. And the history of houston with the city. We have a history of trading stars. But this is the one time i think we see a groundswell of fans and that's the only way you can stop it because i last week. Hey man this could happen. And then y'all started to see it. I'm telling you this can happen if the fans don't keep keep the pressure on mcnair. That's the only way you can turn around Caserio if it turns into power play like hey. I run the team. I'm gonna keep you won't play you play. And they and they mess around watson is unhappy and then they trading man you get real love to hear many football town man even you know. They tried to mow malone for the Rockets when he went and let the sixers it could be worse than that. No question biscuit. Great stuff i appreciate. It brings the fans matter putting pressure on the mcnair that they're not listening. No there they they got your thought it now is. That is the sean is. I think we're going to hear. We have not heard from to sean. We've not heard from his people not heard leaks or anything really overall. I think he's going to come and ask for trade. Well i hope he. That's going to be as we need him. And i hope that they don't trade him. I'm still not buying into this. Franchise is dumb enough to even consider it now. Does shawn will have a say in it. If he doesn't wanna show up if he does or if he can push that envelope he's got power. I hope that power is to stay not go and bring the right coach bruce. Stay they're gonna take a break. Sports talk seven hundred. Sean sows so we are in our number. Three discussing the epic just an. I know i'm trying to be positive. I'm exhausted discussing it but every day. There's something new. Let's hope that that the texans you just can't consider this and you've got to squelch it and i don't know why they're not. That's a concern of mine sports. Talk seven ninety sean salisbury. Show get to the the part. I hate the speculation but the speculation. On what does shawn watson. It's going to request bruce. Welcome in man how you doing. Hey can you hear me. Yeah we got you. All right sean. Yeah i don't want a sean to leave either. But he in fact she is. You know. I ain't playing for this team and i i don't think he's made that demand jet but if he does and miami offers you to and their to number one i think is number three and eighteen. If i'm correct if you took that. And possibly i think they have to number two as well later no more but but hear me out so if you took number two then possibly do for number one next to you on at least another number two. You'd have to listen to that. And here's my question. Tell me your trade talk again. Tell me what you're proposing again. Well i mean if you've got their to number one this year and they're ladder number two and possibly at least a number two next year and to You'd have to listen to that. Then but let let me ask you this to look pretty good in alabama. Now i don't know why man is is wanting to bail on him. You talked about that little yesterday. I thought he's still if he's good. Then you could. I mean number three picky devante that that that lesson de hawk trade. A little bit if you have that if not. Don't you think you could flip to it to a quarterback hungry team and maybe get another number one. I would do this if you told me to. Three number ones and two number twos and another player. That's a starter. For what will bruce. Bruce let me tell you you know what jared goff got. Let me ask you this from your evaluation and like i said it's your plan. I mean you going back and forth on a hot take show. Even though this is an opting show. We're going to have some fun with all right. Let me ask you. This is jared. Goff is good as watson. no is even his is a major separation between the two. Our labout major hoping. Okay let me ask you this. What what's the difference. But okay big separate. How close is a watson mahomes. Pretty close book mean the mvp thomas in kansas city. Would they still be playing in the afc championship game. And if mahomes was here with the texans have been four and twelve this year. That that's a good question. I never would be in the championship. Game yeah okay. I would have done mahomes at dundee. He can't step out of pressure like like Watson can so with mahomes was here. Let's just give them an extra gain fair enough so they're five eleven so you say let's say one game difference so the difference between mahomes. Goff and watson and gov is fairly large. Okay jared jared goff got to wants to twos and threes so you want to two ones and two twos to technically well. He wasn't one so. Let your technically giving thirty one correct. He's only on the second year right and he got nine games but but to watson right now he could win. See here's the problem. Bruce were respectable. Darnold could be star here. Steve only see fellas also said that. I mean right now if you told me sean. Who do you think's got better arm. Talent darnold too. I think darnold on a good now. We still believe to be a good player. But he said he wouldn't trade for sam darnold in four first rounders four four. I understand. But i'm just saying i if you if i don't wanna play here i don't care come hell or high water then you have to the best you can. I'm not. I'll be shoot for the moon and ask for all those but you'd have to consider that if you thought to was still good which i think he is. I don't agree. You know what you get your number three. You could get the best wide receiver devante smith jeremiah. Devante smith is the best receiver champion to kid in. Lsu change good player too. But let's go. You could one other thing real quick. I'll listen then. You could say to pittsburgh or green bay. Hey give me a number. Maybe they're number one for j j. I don't think he's clone. I don't know maybe maybe you're going to do a repeal about it. You'd have to. You're not you're probably not getting a number to either. Maybe if you're lucky worth your lucky. Right so bruce. Thanks for the call. Go gosh appreciate it. Here's the deal with the with the the two of situation. You're hoping that he can be. I get that if i was a texas and it came to this and there is speculation now and been talk or guy. Lance tweeted it right. Yeah lanes. erling tweeted this morning. That people talk to somebody yesterday. Tweeted out that desha watson was part of the interview process yesterday with eric lance that i've heard that this is not accurate. He was not part of it and then he later on tweeted. Apparently that he thinks that the that the is going to request a trade. If shawn watson was told he was going to be a part of it and they lied again. If is the shawn watson. I'd ask out to if they lied again. He wasn't part when they said. You're gonna have input and be part of this and they say he was and he wasn't. It's time for dish. I do not blame for saying i've had enough. I'm already at my wit's end with this front office. yeah. I am if they've lied to him again and that is in case i. It's not necessarily that. They lied to him and there was a report that said that he was part of it yesterday but but been being refuted saying no. He was known for texans validated. My point was part of eddie. Wasn't you if they did if they did. Yes they're lying. I'm not. I'm not coming back. Should be yes. That's because you can't trust anything they say if that's the case. Yeah here's the gig. Number one is if all of a sudden to sean to come out and said i'd like to trade. I want to hear anymore. You know why. I'm not gonna i'm gonna make four five. Six teams sweat had up to the draft. I'm on even though. I know that. I may have to move him. Because he says he's not and he's going to be adamant about it. Yeah i still don't believe quarterbacks make forty million a year or go to sit out a season. I don't i don't believe it but if you've got to the point where you started to panic. Because he was gonna hold out and you didn't know what you were going to do the closer you get to the draft more panic. Would we do with this. You'll be more desperate teams. You cannot even entertain anything less than three first rounders another quarterback next time that's yeah that's the baseline you're right. That's the you can't even entertain it because somebody is going to get panicked closer to the draft and is gonna give you whatever you look at the situation. Just saw james harden they played it and played it and they honestly played philadelphia from everything that you've read is that philadelphia was basically used as leverage to get brooklyn to get so desperate that they said okay. Four first round picks unprotected right so the closer you get day and team start saying well. What's our future like an new coach. That's on one of these teams. Gimme watson i'm gonna sure myself get through this five year contract point so listen you don't have to do anything between now. He has to be done. But if sean does request a trade. And if the texans at told him to be part of the interview and they come out say it will he was. But he wasn't if that was the case with be enemy. Then i listen. I still can't blame sean for being frustrated at all. I'm a hundred percent news corner. But if this is the case then i and you can't trust The honesty by your leaders if you're leaders are the most trusted people in the building. According to the way the reports are would expect from your players. What what do you expect. You can't be the guy who's held to a higher standard as a leader and then all of a sudden be the guy. That's the least trusted. Yeah that can't happen jim. Stay there and the rest of you call seven one three two one two five seven ninety if the shawn watson requests a trade and they trade him. They're telling you they don't want to win and probably he's telling you he does wanna win. That's the craziest part about this sports. 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Listen we're we're gonna trade to sean. I'd be it'd be a battle royale now. I want to sean happy. But i'd like him. Happy here okay. Jim welcome in man. How you doing. I know you disagree. Because i listen to. You know where you're coming from but my deal is is that these proactively media shots to be in the offensive meeting the shot and he needs to be running their offense not the front office and he signed the contract. And you need to live up to it and just because you get your feelings or whatever else that people get the for every single day. And as far as i'm concerned to sean okay quarterback. I don't think he's elite quarterback. Jim jim jim. They're gonna take this one by one with you. Okay hang on a second. i'm gonna take this one by one. I personally haven't played the position that the most overrated statistic on the planet is wins and losses on a quarterback shoulders. Now i'll ask you this. I mean i. I'm the coach. And i'm hiring you as a as an assistant head coach and coordinator. I want you to tell i want. You're watching the tape. You watch football. I can tell you know the game. But you can't tell me where the shawn never had a clunker the whole year. What else could he do this year. Play strong safety play. Quarter mean honest to god. How can we put fifty three men or sixty men on roster. And i'm with you always believe you elevate now if they were decisions made to sean cost teams losses. He did not this year. He did not have a clunker game pro. Football focus set it. They go through their grades. How can you call him an average quarterback. Well i think that there's too. I think there's two seasons there's the regular season and then there's the playoffs and then so their regular season everybody's figuring out what the recipe is to do during playoffs against you. And i think he's kind of like the ravens quarterback is he gets pretty around that i think washing hold onto the long. I think some decision making a slot. And i think during the playoffs you had been accurate. The after what state. I put up massive numbers against kansas city. And was i'd have to put listen. We don't have enough after taking the fact when you're having to pay from behind air he stores throw the football. Hey jim their average like fifty six plays on offense. It's just like fifteen or so less than the people at the top so he has to put up his young jim. Jim yelling at you. And if you're gay if you're going to give us something that is quite frankly. And i respect everybody's opinion but if you're going to give me something so drastic like that you better be prepared for the comeback. Because i hate to tell you. I respect your opinion but in and i probably wrong a lot of things i can tell you one thing. I'm not wrong on this to shawn watson a top three quarterback in this league. No way this let me ask you this. Let me ask you to he will. He had them twenty four to nothing and the ploughs headed to the afc champion. Oh so wait a minute. Debbie so jim is he. Did you play high school football. I played high school basketball cockpits. No let me ask you this. Did you no no. I'm not challenging. You're so you played basketball. Did you guys win a state championship. No why not. There's a of great teams in in the state of texas. Say okay. that doesn't make sense. Now who is your best player. Oh i'd probably my junior senior okay. So why didn't you lead them to a championship. It's easier in basketball for one guy to control. Why didn't you. Why didn't you want a state championship. Come back i just told you. There's a lot of town team. Oh okay so it wasn't the fact that you may have missed a shot up you. May you made a comment. He's in the top three better tomorrow. Mahomes it'd be better than rogers top three when the right now you yes right now. He's a better player than today. Overall soaker. he hasn't played twenty one years. He is a better player than brady today. Yes he is. And i think brady's by jim i do know more about this position than most. I don't know much. But i respect your kane. I respect your so. Let me finish your now. Let let me finish is it. Brady's the goat of all time. And i actually don't think it's close but right now. Here's the here's your top five quarterbacks you put him anyway you want. It's mahomes rogers. Watson wilson and take your josh allen this year that those your best five this year. Those does your best five brady. You can put in that category as far as statistics this year. Yes put him in there right now. He blamed if you put it this way. If he's on the saints they beat tampa bay this past weekend. So i don't understand how is right even current today or are you talking about overall careers or current. You're telling me today. Drew brees is a better quarterback deshaun watson today absolutely jim i love you but when you got a jim you're always welcome on this show own drink in the morning. You're always welcome on the show. I do love you. And i respect. I mean i hope the next week. I'm no name neat. I mean look. I'll tell you what you're saying is stupid plain and simple do but it makes no sense. Jim watch football clearly. Jim always give you a platform. But i gotta tell you brother. You are to think that there's not a sold. What sean payton doesn't think. Drew brees is a better quarterback than wolf and could not carry. Brady's job to the game. Thanks appreciate gotta go. I'll give you a platform until you are. I don't know. Why didn't jim state change. If i mean it's fine if you want to come in and come in and make like legit art. There's no legit argument that that was stupid. He's got an like. I said overall career. Nobody can carry. Brady's jock this year to shawn watson told us that drew brees show we watched. The guy couldn't throw the ball fifteen yards out. Feel like i said. I'll give jim all platform you want and i'm not gonna. I'm just telling you. Jim i can tell you. There's no young you're you're wrong one hundred percent wrong. In this matter of fact there's people that are driving down the street right now saying what you just told the tweets morning. You're the best on your team in fort worth high school basketball. You never wanna state championship. And there's only five of you. Why well there's other teams. Oh oh okay and so jim. You're always welcome on the show. But you gotta bring something better than that. Because i got news for you at this stage of their careers today. Drew brees is aa. Compared to to shawn watson and i think drew brees the mount. Rushmore all quarterback drew. Brees is a far better player right now mean the far better player than drew breezes. Today today overall careers drew. Brees is. you've got a long way to go for sean to get to drew brees. But that's just that's just that's just uninformed take by you period. it's just a did. just tell me. You're not a big to shawn watson fan and that's okay you're always welcome back to your sportstalk seven ninety now my my head half near exploded and drew brees. God love you. I don't even think drew brees thinks. He's better into shawn watson at this stage of their careers right sports. Talk seven hundred. Sean south ratio soda weight loss. I just lost four pounds all the sweat over that last call. I like jim. But i'm gonna tell you this. Listen if you're looking at yourself in the mirror and staff had it. Then i gotta get right back to without a diet or some magical pill enough enough of the suppress the appetite. You want to suppress the appetite. Learn how to eat soda. Weight loss knows how to do that. Sort of weight. 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Show god our number four. Now listen i. I gotta tell you i try. I'm a kinder gentler guy. I was ten years ago. I promise you. Sometimes it. Because i might have. That guy might have a might have given him probably would've told him ten years ago. Here's a shovel. Bring it with you. I'll meet you in the fields. Don't tell anybody where you're going. That would have been my thought process because dude down. Gm and i'll say this. I'm kinder gentler guy but why have a lot of weakness is one of them is not. I love to provide a platform for our callers. Because i think we got some really smart ones. Some people who are calculated thought out and do it. And i'm not gonna at personally attacked him. I don't know jim. Jim might be a great guy. And that's fine. This is just strictly to business like when a quarterback throws interception. I don't tell him he's got an ugly girlfriend okay. I don't do that needs to interception. Now keep it to that. I'm not getting into. I've been down there. I'm not getting into personal lives. And all that. I don't know anything about jim other than the phone. Call i judge from about a four minute call and you guys are right. I probably by weekdays. I'm saying this. Nobody else's i'll raise my hand. I would have hung up. I let i waited too long to hang up. And that's okay. Because he wouldn't have said all the dumb thing here. It makes good radio but listen. And it's not gyms take on the shawn watson is is moronic. I don't think gyms are moron. He's he's just stupid. And i don't agree with it just like he. Probably if we think watson's the top three he thinks are takes moronic. I'll live with mine a little more. And i'm okay not personal but i'm gonna get better. I'm gonna give you guys a platform. Because i am not going to name called but when you start to stuff did even a dead man would laugh at the end. You gotta you gotta know that that. It's just a bad radio opinion. It's a bad football opinion. It's a bad quarterback opinion. And it's just stupid and i like jim jim. You're welcome to come back on this show anytime with an opinion. Because i'm like i said i'll never ever we'll give you a platform but once you make that platform just like we say when you publicly come on and tell us what you said about the shawn watson you better understand. The you'd better be able to defend the point counterpoint. Because had we been on a hot take show or one of those you get money for points i th. That's a. I can name that tune in to notes. You'd have been done to be honest. He he's like what you're saying things not coming back with anything. I don't need to come back and say anything to you when everybody listening knows that if you just watch the game of football this season then go look at the numbers that does shawn posted. No average quarterback post those numbers. He was in the top five ever statistical category. This guess what happened. His wins and losses had nothing to do with him. If you watch the football games for two seconds you know that his team was ass period also gets to the point to where the way he got there. It's not just and even if you look at them. If you watched the games each week and i rarely didn't watch twice. Maybe the last two games this season. I only watched once the frustration of being part of your didn't matter right but jim jan jim. If i ever sat down and watch tape with you and walk you through it. You had come back and say probably come on and apologize to the listeners. Do have that cut in their tyler. Put that person on hold for a second. Whoever you're talking to put him on hold tell them just to hold for a second look in. There is the cut about Award you know points. And may god have mercy on your soul. What movie was that silly mask. Billy madison is that in there. I think that's an if you're looking at the rcn. Maybe ross's person you check that one out. Because i mean time matter of fact anytime there's a different opinion we'll deal with but it's a take so far fetched that that would be the equivalent saying watson a good of saying i trade him for jimmy garoppolo straight up. Yeah that'd be on here. So it's i'm not gonna keep talked as if to sean was you could tell you have an opinion that stupid but i'm gonna tell you the same you call with that tape. Your call was stupid personal. I f- listeners. I it was a pleasure that you got to hear that. So i give them platform so you could hear it and jim person i like him out. I don't know you. But i like i like anybody that stands for something. But there's that you're standing on wet sand while the rest of us were standing on a solid foundation. My man of concrete and steel. Because i know deep down you don't believe what you just told us but it was good. Take heck that would fit perfectly on of those shows. Okay next time you call in not just you jim that anybody and like i said i'm not personal jim. I'm actually smirking about this. But if you call in with a take so bad in the middle of your take here this what you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic. Things i've ever heard at no point in your rambling incoherent response where you even close to anything. That could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you know points. And may god have mercy on your soul bingo. What else needs to be said business ethics. I appreciate one thing. I told him not to swear and swear job a little bit. Last guy said the f. Word i may yes. Yes yeah you gotta have bob twice in a week. Did you twice the first year year. Man to twenty twenty twenty twenty carryover. Roll all right. Yeah that's the. Hey listen come on his passion you want. Just don't sling cuss words right. No dropping f bombs. No sling cuss words. None of that stuff and then we'll get after it man. It's okay and we'll probably let you talk yourself into a hole or not but if you get so offbeat may god have mercy on your soul drew. What's up hey thanks for having me on. I the shouldn't have to do this. But i gotta jewish jim. I want him to put his top five quarterbacks together and then i want him to ask yourself a question. Does that quarterback have a belief in idiot for owner. Did they take away. His pro bowl left tackle did they dismantle his deep sense that they take away his number-one option as a receiver and giving him no running game. I want him to ask. I want to ask him that question for his top five. Where whatever the hell you wanna put in there. I want him to ask that question. Did they had to overcome an entire organization. Not a bad coach. Not a bad offense not a bad evening all of that together along with a bad front office and for him to go out there and put up the numbers that he did this year when he didn't have any type of Chemistry with brandin cooks. Or randall cobb. They didn't play. Kiki kooky we didn't know who the hell chad hansen woods. And all he would go out there and answer the bail. Every time we've had this franchise for almost twenty years and we haven't had a quarterback we finally get one and we bought to lose them after four years. Food is jeff getting started and we haven't put anything around him. That's a foundation that stable. He's the only thing that's really good about this franchise and what makes us relevant. I heard a caller earlier. Say that if we get rid of him this this franchise lose worth about twenty five percent. I think that's best case scenario. Can you imagine your investment going down that far from one player good is important is could you imagine that i can. I can't imagine. I hate that i have to like. This shouldn't be an issue at all. This dude should be the happiest should be here after a foreign soil season. We should have on the one that performed every game. He's the only one he put us in a position to win every game. A couple of what he thought we figure it out both to drew. I appreciate your brother. Thank you very much. No doubt remember. That guy played within like pop warner that could play like four positions and he leave your quarterback because he had to hand. Yeah and then. You'd stick at middle linebacker. He just dominated everybody. We don't get to do that in the nfl. We don't get to have to sean. Make every tackle and this is like the star of the eight year old late. Does pop warner league. That guy who bigger to everybody faster anybody when when when they have the ball. Everybody's like well he's gonna make the play on defense and that doesn't have that. It's not a knock on anybody on the defense asides personal. They didn't play well. They're not very good. Whether it was scheme and execution together this year did not work for whatever reason. I don't think they can ethically historically bad again. I know. I don't think i can only up from here right. It feels like i should be the and listen. Those guys are the so those guys somebody else may leave and go be a great player somewhere else or may turn it around this when they get everybody together but defense is one of those unique things in the nfl. These audits of coordinators are so smart in these. Quarterbacks are so frigging good that if in fact you decide one point in time to take a playoff as a linebacker second or don't rush the passer that one time or out of your lane. They'll find these guys. The best of the best are going to be the coordinator. They watch it and they set up a play three plays later or quarter later thinking remember. Last time we ran that flat route. That guy jumped it. Let's go double move and run the wheel. Route boom touchdown. They know how to abuse you if you are out of position and if you show any weakness it's the sharpen blood is on both sides you can't block a blitz. Those guys will attack. They get it. Promise the texans couldn't defend this year and that should not be on. The quarterback is responsible for every win. Loss he's not right fella. Stay there we got a lot more of your calls to take very passionate show and i love that about it and i love that about our listeners and callers you guys are into it and so we we care and so to you. What would really really make me care less. If you decided to trade the shawn watson. i wouldn't care about sports. Let's but it would really baffled me. There might be a fight in the building if that happens. Sportstalk seven. ninety sean salisbury. Show war sean. Sounds get in strapping and right sports. Talk seven ninety guys lighting it up today even every now and again. We have a call. It says watson's basically middle of the road. Quarterbacks you can hear that call over on our website sports sedan dot com. I gotta give my friend in our good friend oj. Rachel obviously And at game day on twitter classic and she's fun issue. Got the beam of nothing to see here. Please disperse in the world behind I think it's leslie nielsen from the naked. Guns is exploding behind right. It says the shawn. Watson watt staffing. Control eric ame wants roster control kalmyk. Bear has lost control but texans. Pr be like nothing to see here. Please disperse and do they have department anymore. I don't know. I don't know he lost Yeah i mean that's part of the story of them being a belief show not a culture fit one of the best. Pr people in the world. You know why because actually The culture fit the coach vic. She actually fit the culture. The good stuff honest working heart. Yeah people cared about her. She was loyal she was was was protected. The franchise all those things in a good way. So yeah amy deserve better. Oh yeah it's kind of gone to hell in a handbasket. since she's been gone being counted. You wanna talk about value tool for jobs. They might want to call her back and see if she'd be interested in taking 'cause there's probably a line to get her hired back somewhere or i mean she's really good and Yeah her culture is that she didn't hell of a job there and should still be running. That department makes sense. Yeah that's just my opinion. A lot of my opinion screwed up. I thought she handled everything. like star when she was there and i think the players agreed with that right and people that have to deal with. The texans agree with that as well. Dan welcome in what's up wanting jalen. Yeah i only wanted to talk a little bit about the sound watson. i think it's similar to two different quarterbacks that Who who've been around for a long time. I think it's similar to aaron rodgers where they just don't put the people around him to be successful even though the clip great numbers in and you can even look at the game and say how many times do you watch what the houston. Texans play and watching and just go. Wow you know. That's something that very few quarterbacks doing when when he's out there talking about okay i wanna be traded. I guarantee you. There's at least twenty five to thirty teams looking at going. Well what can we do believe that can do. I believe that there's probably probably twenty four teams in the league would stand in line to to do that. Yes at least right now. I a lot of teams would be in the playoffs right now. Buffalo would it be better team. I like the kid in buffalo. He's getting better but he's not the shot in washington yet but I think is also similar to to john. Elway had to go through when he had a bad coach and only kept going over and over and all the bumping heads went until they got a coach. I he started showing how could be now. The problem with this. Is that when when they kept easterby. You'd it it's like when if if they would've kept dan reeves than i would've asked and then you would have seen him win the champion some ship somewhere else and this is what's going to happen if they don't keep them. You'll see the wants and win a championship somewhere else. And have this whole thing all well. If you sign a contract you have to stay no you. Don't you whatever job you're in if you find a better job you any if you desire to be the best and you can't be the best then you have to go somewhere. That's the situation if the team not going to help you but you gotta you feel century and dan. I appreciate the call thank you. I've changed a little bit on this over the years that there is that well if you sign a contract then you're you out to and i get the i still lean on that but there's another side of it is. I owe you tell. There's so much dysfunction dishonesty than i don't know you and the bottom line is not shawn watts case and most players case when they get rid of you even though you're under contract you're not getting paid to shine has a lot of it guaranteed but it's not one hundred percent guaranteed right but there's a lot of money so i get both sides of he's under contract as i've said that not just about him but in my past and that's like old school thinking but if you're going to be the franchise when they signed you you're hoping it's honest and then they're not doing the things that they've committed to doing. I would understand you. He's right dan's right about well. If you're in a job and you signed a three year deal and all of a sudden ownership comes into a new gm well. It's not the same as it was when you were here. So or they've been dishonest in their dealings with you or not lived up to the commitment. I understand why guys who will wait a second. Let's let's make this a two way street. I get that definitely get that leo. What's up man. how you doing. Hey i do us more good buddy. Yeah listen i just wanna say man you know You know. I i just hate to see the show on going going through. You know what i mean. 'cause 'cause you know Bill o'brien and the whole organization. And may man. I don't know if they just purposely destroyed off. They just didn't know what they do doing. Maybe i would say not not purposely. I don't think many people do that under in that situation because they don't want to ruin their reputation. I just think that they were a bit clueless on how they handled it. I'd say a bit. And i use that term a little bit luce. Okay okay well. I agree with any. Nf to destroy the passing game they distort the running game. And i just like to see the show goes well where he could give him a title close to give one because he's going to be spending over here. Well the way it looks at it and leo great point the way it looks is he is going to spin his wheels because if the people above you and i'm not putting it caserio in this. Nick does not deserve to be lumped into this. He does not only affiliation is that he knew jack easter being new england he does not to but when the people above. You apparently are being honest with you then. I would understand why you'd be disgruntled. I'm just shocked. There's not more people in the building and players. And maybe they are. It's not sean did or not like and they don't have the wheel. The power to sean does but from that that there's as annoyed with. Yeah you were there cy story. It's clear that everybody is. Nobody trusts the mcnair. That are inside the organization. You know and i can't tell anybody to do with what they own. But my god step out his own way and sell the frigging team. What if you came to save it from itself. You can't please don't tell me it's only about money guys because it's relative if you make eighty thousand dollars at your job when others make forty thousand year. I got a pretty good gig. I'm not saying listen. You win powerball you don't. It's a good gig right okay. But it's relative to your job. I give that. He's got a different skill set than the rest of in this world. But if you're if you're i just tried to apply it to real life. Not sports sports is such an outlier on. Now there's so many things that like in football that are paralleled to real life. you know. Get your ass kicked. Get backup key. You know you get your ass kicked a lot in life right not literally but you just do you so you got to keep getting back up football you play six seconds you get your ass kicked you get up and go get yourself some more. Who does that. it's an it's a nutjob sport you get up get punched in the face. Oh i think. I'm gonna get myself some more eight seconds later forty seconds later do it for six seconds. Do it again. Fifty two percent of the time. You're gonna win forty eight percent of the time somebody else's bend. You're successful great. But i i try to apply it to real life too. I just think about your job. If you're sean for those are bothered by the sean not you know whatever always under contract is can you imagine being at your job in the guy that is your direct. Do you report directly to who signs your paychecks. You don't know day to day if it's honest or what's going on the. There's no you have no. I don't even want to say pecking order. There's not what are we ask football team to do. Give me an identity. If there's no defined honesty if you felt like you were being misled every day would you i mean. Listen money's one thing but being happy and peaceful in jobs another. I would never and i'll say i would never take a job that i didn't trust the people i was working with bosses people above me and i'm to the point out that the fights not worth i wouldn't take it if i can't trust the people i'm working with and everybody's got everybody's back. I know differences in business happened money and people move on. I'm talking about trust. If you don't have that you care not build a foundation of success you just can't you just. Can't i promise you that matt welcome in doing this morning. Good question for talking about i. I actually want your opinion. Because i legitimately i just don't know what to think about this so With of course we're getting a lot of stories about He hasn't really said much. Besides this cryptic tweet so take that for what you will. But are we if he gets trade are we are starting a new a new era firepower like we see in the nba because of how it looks how it could look is he gets his trade okay. He puts up a stink outta here. Okay then on the flip side if easterby and mcnair oregon and they have their marriage her why should be anyway but if he if those guys go or one of them goes he puts distinct and then and then they're gone so all of a sudden that took a lot that crossed the league had manage. Are you saying to make sure we're clear here. And i'll answers we come back from break but make sure we're clear you're saying if the player gets to dictate what happens in the front office. Will that filter down and permeate through other superstars league. Were they start to control everything like the nba stars. You say after yeah yeah. Let's discuss that. We come back. I think that's a. That's a valid point and i don't think shawn watson character i wouldn't think so. He's been a a prime character guy. A prime football player prime teammate. That you matter. It seems that he doesn't have the. I'm not with him but people i've talked to love him. I love everything about. And even though i only met him one time they can interviewed him at the super bowl. Wants and i met him there. But if just. But i've always admired what he's about but we'll discuss. Because does this have the same feeling as an nba player. We had one here in this town. Who watched that player. Who four town last night. Yeah so in brooklyn. Well there you go. So maybe they're maybe they went out. Well not allowed having meal. So i don't know i don't know we'll come back and discuss matt great point and i appreciate the question. We'll get the fellows involved next sports. Talk seven nine hundred. Listen do it yourself. I get it. I wanted to but when it comes to painting your house. You don't want mistakes and you want it done perfectly professionally with the safety. That goes along with the protocols. We have certa pro painters the handle residential painting. They also handled commercial painting whether retail centers or business parks sports stadiums. 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So would he be in this position but matteucci question. Could it get like the nba where we know the james harden and stars control what they do what the nba does what. Decisions made in front of offices to force traits force their hand. Could it have a trickle down effect in football to sean can pull this off to other guys. I imagine it could. Here's the problem. How many got to replace nothing. Not only that number one but here. Here's what else how. He does shawn watson. Are there many sacred cows in most guys. Don't have that mentality trying to get out of places like it especially think about what takes his taken for this guy. This guy would have never ever ever ever come to you. An impossibly asked for a trade. If this doesn't get to this and think about all like literally. Everything bad that had to happen has happened. We still don't have officially he could be coming to you and asking you for trade. It took all of it. Hell if you just didn't you all that bad stuff that happened you you traded away. The guys best security blanket he ever had and deondraye hawkins without telling him and moved on from it. Yeah she would have never raised issue or none of this. This would have been the first issue not the last issue. Yeah you know what i'm saying. We said okay. It's one thing they make a mistake. Like i didn't like it. Make another one when the trend kicks in. You're like dude. Or what is the direction because right. Now you're coming to like a like eight different roads. Take and the texans eight chose the right one yet no. So here's the problem. Well they did with nick caserio. I think i believe they did. Choose that one but math to answer your question yes it could but you gotta look around. How many guys would warrant right now. Josh allen could not have the same poll in buffalo and they're in the afc championship game. Now two more years of this. Maybe good but he wouldn't. he would also breeds. This is winning. You win if they were twelve and four this year regardless of the we wouldn't be having these conversations we would not there may be a little bit of disgruntled behind the scenes and been this off manned need to be on the winning would would. We wouldn't be as out loud as it was. So i mean mahomes would have that power i guess but andy never let it get to the. Yeah you never would've so when you go around and start to say okay matt tangent question. Could it be there far more star with poland the nba. Then are the kind of not that there's not enough stars in the nfl. There is but far more of them with less players with pulling the nba. The can change the course of a franchise with what they wanna do. Then there is in the nfl. I can't name five guys in the nfl to could force their hand. And have we. Don't ever see the. Sean would be one of the first other than guys that were getting drafted by teams. They didn't want to go to e. Eli john elway. So maybe but mahomes the sean. I'm not even sure right now. Matter of fact the packers assured themselves that even aaron couldn't do it when they drafted jordan. Love yeah even though you don't even know journalists going to be great player when they they get two points oh after we won the super bowl if if aaron decided yeah you guys. Don't give enough. Help i want out. I wanna go to san francisco and finished my trade me. I'm not coming back. They'd say maybe but we're going to get their three percent. What you're do you gonna sit. We'll just start our first round pick. That's gonna be supposedly the pair win five years from now two years from now next year even as good as he is and he's been clearly the best player in lincolnshire he couldn't. I don't think he can force his hand. He made himself out but they would eventually say. Okay it's time he's going to be thirty seven next year on go ahead any seven year will. He's a twelve years. Eleven years old and watson so when you talk about guys watson's age. I don't know who especially his age with his pull. Pull jared goff. Couldn't do it kind of murray couldn't do it right now. Not mark. jackson couldn't do it. These teams josh. Allen couldn't do it laugh at. Yeah yeah there's very few that can do right now. They wouldn't be able to it out. And i don't think it's ever going to happen the nfl. I think it's a good thing it's not going to have a big pro like the nba's crossed the line. Where there's it's been. It was okay at a certain level but it hit the extreme. And all you gotta do is go out there and look at what hard and anthony davis have done. The last two guys bitch publicly demanded trade the middle of the season when it wasn't or whenever it could you know didn't feel like it was necessarily going to happen and then i mean anthony davis had his momentary still play okay but he went through the motions the rest of the season and james harden court and flat out quit and it's acceptable and we're making excuses for it in the nba. The nba has gone to an extreme and they are going to hurt their league long. Long-term nfl won't let that happen. They won't because collectively bargain in these teams. There's something else that's good about the nfl. Even if there's been one team it's been a dynasty in this last stretch there is parody in the league for every single year. There are teams. Were bad year before that are really good that make their level of balance is fantastic and people. Don't wanna hear this but at foreign twelve with this quarterback can come back and be attendance six football team next year even if they even feels impossible. If you don't trust me they could come back. Even if the owner and jackie's to be everything stays the same. Don't trust but you get the right coach right player. Get a few what. I always say quarterback three or four players in eight to ten plays a game. If they do that they could. I mean i remember seven points moral victory but they were. They hung in. Because of who i him right so yes you can turn it around. You can turn it around quickly and goal from last place to first place. Even though they weren't last place you can listen the jacksonville. Jaguars can win games. next year. Coach quarterback cancelled go. Get a couple of players got money and got some good young players that are still learn and urban meyer. Put a staff together. You think you think they're gonna show up and be a bye week for everybody all. Oh hell no so you can. And i think that's what we're hoping for all right we'll come back and finish this one up here on the sean south breeze show And we'll give the passion continues. We don't have any content. That's the problem here in houston. It's been a me it. It'd be nice. It was great content of like. Hey desha eric enemy. Everything's good were headed. We didn't have a real juicy story yesterday. So i'm sure we're due for one today. You gotta get traded. Yeah i stop it. I think there's enough smoke going. Ask for the trade. Shut your filthy hormel. I want to shut my filthy hormone. I want to hear all cities. Abouts come after you know. Want to be right outside our keys. Going to ask for it. And i want to be wrong in the worst way you know what the saying. Shut your filthy mouth meets. Judge filthy hormone. Thank you stock. Seven ninety dr jeff with with vision dot com. Listen you have trouble seeing. Why are you struggling and squinting. 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I'm giving giving you a hard in. Why hasn't he shot it down. Well it's on the the second part of that is because he probably points traded the first part of that is because they're dumb enough right now not to shoot down. Yeah squelch it. It's almost as if they're saying. Let's wait is there something better and the answer to that question is no. There's no there's not. There's not something better real quick throwing it out there. are you done. It just feel like it's like the hard thing you. I'll give you the credit for that. Like you said you said january and look what happens i keep saying no no no no no can we go to. So i'm on a hot streak right. Getting traded he'll be the starting quarterback for the text and get traded. You're getting f- remember. He's five times in one week. Amir him the problem is is that i said harden wouldn't get traded during the season remember. I said he's going to be here. All your yeah you bought in the end by now. I'm saying that he's gonna get traded and you're saying that he's not. I think that we're probably. It's probably going to go the way that i'm thinking. Oh because because just going to be the originally won't have any more votes. That were both on different levels of the thing. Now why would you can you. Can you imagine the real. Like i mean that people are going to have. I don't care what kind of draft picks you get. I don't okay all right. Would you pick with the third pick of the draft if he traded with miami. Who would you bet. You're getting to get him a receiver. Devante smith that point. You have to right now. I mean then. Then you're good to let willfuller walk dacca's more than half the price you know my god. You need cooks right so you'd have to get another first rounder in this. Don't they have to this draft with three to this draft. Miami has to want number three. And i believe second one is in the late twentieth. Okay so the second one you'd have to focus on somewhere in the back end or pass rusher. Yeah thank right now but the the one thing. That's speculation you don't know who's going to be available in the twenties even like making the miami deal would be. You would have sit all that over there for the guide to protect the guy shipped him off to get back so lazy gentleman. We just traded tunsil for watson yes and it s duke johnson and you know what you can do at that point trade tunnel. I want nothing to do with as correlation back to order. You're right of him. There's a curse here with that guy to real actually might hold onto. You could argue that. They would draft najji heritz instead they need are running back. Don't be don't you. What pick with the third pick. Yeah they held. You want to tell you. What's your filthy hormel. Found dead pissed me off. More than two sean. I'm ken do not draft to running back with a third now offer not now not ever period finished. I understand a late tick if you've got a wealth of riches if your second pick we're so good they will have a great running back from lsu coming off a national title win with the last pick of the draft in the first last week of the first round. That's how good we are all right. And he's helped me and he's been hurt but he has helped their team. He's been use deal for five years. I mean it's it's gonna work out tyler. Let let me let me let me again. Because you didn't want to emcee to throw out into the atmosphere into the into the universe. The shawn watson gonna get traded which i don't want to hear him say but he starting to believe it and so i've validate his feelings of understanding. I'm i'm going with the opposite. Just like i'm gonna win mega millions tonight. The shawn watson ticket. Okay so and tyler you just simply came out and said take nashi with the third pick. I'm not saying i would do that. But they at this right they would be dumb and there's no running back in this draft. Pick can validate making it. The third pick let alone the thirtieth pick nausea. Harris is one of those bags. You pick up fear in the twenty s and you say this is a duck. Light like the raiders. Did with jacobs right. Yeah you get a guy. You can't justify taken running back in the top ten picks. You just can't right now to me. Zeki will elliott has become. Yeah yeah good player. Good player. But i don't even think about him when i think about the best runners in a league. No who that's running backs. I don't even think about it. He's like oh. Yeah so tyler again. Nobody if nashi harris is the third pig in the first five picks at this draft. And i think he is a fantastic. I think he's a frigging stud i do. If he's picked in the first five picks at this draft. I will walk the robert. Trent jones trail from here to alabama in tuscaloosa. And i'll throw a post covid non mask party when it's all done and raise money for you're asking to die. Walking down by feet hurt so bad that i passed out in front of a car. I got somebody blisters. I can't walk car. It's me because i've been to build the street. Kick it out of the way if najji harris as good as he is picked in the first five picks. What's the covert things over. I will raise money for charity and walk to tuscaloosa and throw post covid party for alabama and all of us to celebrate just how great nausea harrison the audio. Please call it five. Pick top five. Go through gimme the top five picture. I'm gonna give you how long it takes to walk right out there. Taking him over lawn tennis the jets. I don't think a running backs in play. There probably a quarterback or receiver. Three at the offensive lineman. It says by the way they drafted nine and a half days to walk out at the moment in miami and i both know that's not happening next. Four is where it could get interesting. Because i've heard rumor atlanta. You haven't heard here going to atlanta. I'm sorry you ain't heard that. I've heard that you then you get off your message. Boards in atlanta 'cause they suck not atlanta but message boards saying now she harris with the fourth pick. Stop it right. Frigging sweat out these. Who's who's a fifth pick. Cincinnati who has joe mixing not happening. Let's go to this fourth thing that don't start to scare me on lanna reach. I'm trying to think he's sweat. The first by picks rate defense stood it. It's gonna get out. See the lights. Just keep happening. Just because the gods take sean. Just that's like a message sent sean. Did you say that you better put your walking shoes on. Can you imagine if i have to pull. Okay how about if. I give you that option. Donate ten thousand dollars to the a. He's trying to walk through the fort pitt. I'll tell you what. I'll let you get out of it if you donate ten grand and by me and a steak dinner on top of it to shoot higher fair okay. Do s fi my choice to donate ten grand charity yard. Yeah you you already said it do you. Guys there's gotta be didn't dodgy here can't be the fourth pick of this draft kenny. There's todd mcshay draft one. One early is not their answer. Yeah but he's to then look how quickly it went away for him on the air still. We're on the back of on the you know what i'm not going to get off the air. Real quick log bank steadier. Thanks to our callers. You guys are awesome in the trenches. Next chris gordian andy followed by the time she. Maybe i think big sarge may be in as well Matt thomas show with ross dress eighteen. This afternoon i'll stick with original bet. Okay that's one is good years. He'll get drafted first. One has been twenty-three around the josh jacobs star god. Please don't spiders down leave us alone. I don't need to be smoked okay so in the eighteen this afternoon. I'll join him at five for football at five cents. I couldn't yesterday for mc and heavy t- and say a prayer for me. So i don't have to walk. Does kalisa those feet worked at san prayer. That does shawn watson stays here. It's sports talk seven ninety For mc and mt. We don't ever take you for granted. I'm sean we'll see tomorrow.

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George Springer Is Gone, NFL Retirment Announcements And Ian Rapoport Speaks On The Deshaun Watson Situation

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George Springer Is Gone, NFL Retirment Announcements And Ian Rapoport Speaks On The Deshaun Watson Situation

"The shot sol's quarterback time french jostles. Very this is the sean salisbury show. Well i got news for you overnight to shawn watson tell you this for the people outside the city. He did not get traded for us here. It's happy but i'll tell you what did happen jorges spring. George giorgis gone. He's gone six for a buck. Fifty toronto blue jays the inevitable always ended up playing out. Unfortunately were there. Actually someone believed georgia state. Yeah i got tweets last night from people like i fell asleep before the news came out. Honestly probably fifteen minutes before. And i woke up to it this morning and i'm glad i felt to this morning too. I have been studying all day and doing all kinds of stuff for my new master's degree that's not right new masters. It's my only masters if i when i graduate so the study now back to school at number two pencils and all that so i didn't i went to bed and didn't see the news till early this morning as well but i think it to me. It was just formality. I mean you knew it was coming down. The pike lee didn't know exactly where he thought but toronto was the lead dog and appeared. He's going to be playing with video son now. Geraldo squad is going to be legit. Offense of the pitching is the question there but he is going to be a massive addition threat to the yankees in the east. Now i think i mean let me pretty. Yeah they're neck and neck. I think all season long. So georgia's gone your favorite memory george. Today's your data to It sucks man's inauguration day and we're going to give you a chance to say goodbye to george. It stinks. because he's a legit houston legend. And he brought he was. The key cog to bring you first world series title. And we're never going to see probably a base this team's full of clutch players in the postseason but he was as clutches. Anybody i mean he's already top top three all time top four all time in a postseason home runs in baseball history. Boys leader here at home runs and doubles. Yeah i mean mystery. I mean it was just legendary here. Here's postseasons been legendary throughout baseball. I know my world series. Yeah it's the lights which goes on and he's phenomenon. I'll never forget how that postseason started when he was the. Mvp yeah strike after strike after strike. Remember what ails horrible. And then all the twenty seventeen but even when he started. It wasn't the first series. The boston series tonight is good in that when he hit four twelve seven of seventeen he went three of twenty six with seven strikeouts and then a game won the world series. They had what three strikeouts right. And everybody's questioning. Aj him down and then he went on to hit. Five home runs the next six months. I was one of those guys question. Is he still wants. Yeah i was like you know as if we know that. Aj hinch is out of every day right. Yeah that's typical fan and media that we wait. We wanna do we look at. They will bet. I wouldn't put them in the cell weird game one of the season somebody else leading off. We've seen other guys leadoff when he's been hurt because he unfortunately gets ricky henderson here and i know it wasn't. Don't misunderstand me. He's the greatest leadoff hitter ever but georgia's postseasons and stuff make him. He didn't even get to break. Beige does recognize video. Had like fifty something career. Leadoff home runs georgia's on his way. Dammit right so how mad this is i was. I'll never forget it. I'm sitting here. Matter of fact. I post on twitter. I can remember. I was you know and people. What are you talking about. I mean there was some who agreed and said now george leadoff hitter writing all sudden he catches fire with my bad i think. Aj hinch does warn to stand up and say what you're wrong george. One of the great leadoff offers we. George springer is tied fourth. All time in postseason home runs with nineteen. The only guys ahead of him. Guess manny manny is number one with twenty nine mattingly and their no. It isn't the others are yankees What what area for the the championship. Nine woah net burning. Obviously too i remember. He had a lot of home runs and he wasn't a big hole. Run hitter during the regular season. Just a you know. You've never been a forty home. Run guy clutch postseason. it was another one yankee. Yeah the guy you would expect. He was there forever trying to think who in the same teams. We'll can't be jeeter jeeter. Twenty seven hundred thirty four postseason appearance. I guess that's fair. Think about this because he he's got guys but with eight hundred. George has got nineteen and he has one less than derek. Jeeter at seven hundred. Thirty four point appearances. George has two hundred ninety two while right behind. George is reggie jackson with eight teams would have been the next guy with out to with eighteen mickey mantle of eighteen. And then we get to the seventeen club which is tied for tenth and that includes carlos correa. The thing about that is stupid. Yeah history before this was nothing they literally have all these guys who are in the top ten postseason home runs ever think about this dude and they haven't actually been i mean they'd been to two world series fourth straight. He's been twenty one. Twenty seven nationals. Brokaw's records that quickly. Think about this. You got jose altuve sandwiched between reginald martinez. Exactly and and jose did it in two hundred. Eighty six point appearances. Think about this way. You tell me that derek jeeter has almost eight hundred plate appearances in postseason. Seven hundred ninety four. Brady's postseason yeah. Nobody even sniffs nobody even gets in the top ten list over one of the player gets over five hundred and normally say okay. Think about it. You think about this all the great yankees and jeeter and bernie williams two guys you don't consider homerun hitters right right but been to the plate so much clutch hitters and they did it in the postseason. Eight hundred did. He's played a full season. Yeah a full see full season plus a third what you get about five to six hundred bats the leadoff three hundred five hundred fifty bats if you play the whole season get six hundred. If you're the leadoff hitter right around six hundred right. Let's see like his best. Here's most in terms of regular season was six eighty three okay. Seven hundred forty. Somebody full season a month and a half. He played in one hundred fifty. Eight postseason games. You're talking about a full season in a month of baseball. That's how many times played a full season baseball at bats in the postseason. That's the other thing about the astros. Think about georgia's queries thirty one. But he's already and some of these guys are like i think about korea grades only twenty six sixty three postseason games to these guys already sixty three. That's massive for the blue jays because they get that experience with george. It's so hard to fathom the derrick jeeter into the polcy lebron. Yeah a little bit more full season. Yeah and lebron's played a full seat. Postseason played a full basketball season games. I think we're three times for what's up to four more times last year. Yeah your tummy. He's played four full seasons in the post. Yeah that's just. Well you're then you're telling me it's it's three hundred plus games in the postseason lebron's at that. We looked long. It's over three hundred hundred plus games in the postseason brady. Lebron jeeter's bats no wonder he has twenty twenty-something home resident postseason opportunities. Just good gracious. George springer to sixty for lebron. So what does that equal up to. Maybe it was three. I thought it was four x games in a season as under sixty. It's just one hundred sixty and eighty two. It's three and a half. It's three and a half season towards get too close to his four season. This offseason when when the lakers. Yeah who gave up a big lead to golden state to another twenty seven games in the pro centers won't be as last year so right. It's it's fascinating some of these guys and how good their teams have been over the course time and how quickly the astros players have gotten themselves in that position and the all time list considering their third of the at bats makes it. I'm never going to forget these memories that we've had. It makes it sting a little bit too. They weren't able to win more than one yet. It's not over. I think a lot of people are gonna freak out today pissed off and like you know the inevitable. I knew it was coming. Know what shocked us. They astros have certain things that they have to do. Moneywise and george springer was just never going to work into that plan being a thirty one year old. Who's now got a six year deal for toronto though. Yeah i mean it's not gonna be a contract that ages. Well i love. George does not but god bless him. Yeah pale yeah what you can. And here's the thing why it's not shocking. We that slow. We kind of knew wisconsin. You not just rolling and another thing about. It is will celebrate them day. You call your favorite george springer memories or your thoughts on. This is i. I can't. I can't even i mean it's so weird of all. It's just day after day. Another thing houston sports. You know what. I'm saying. The watson thing and then the springer but i can't be mad because listen. He he did right you know. I mean he served well and nobody can blame the guy for leaving. They said well. What's the difference is taking. You know twenty million last here. Well you know what it is. Twenty million less would've been. And i'm i'm not i think what you turn out. Eighteen million qualifying is that what a eighteen point nine. The astros did not from what i know. They did not make any offers site we weren't they weren't going to they're prioritizing. I think you've heard james say a few days ago they want to get carlos correa locked up. It's going to be difficult. But i think that is their number one. The crazy thing about it is in a year of you. Think about some of the things. He's gone through the ribcage. We got hurt in the massage. And all the talk here in the course of a one bubble type-c changed his whole narrative on him completely. I mean gift to about all time. Postseason leaders to with him. He's already seven all time postseason. Rbi's it's hard to fathom. He's got more than reggie jackson. It's hard to fathom. It's hard to fathom the the winters i think about being brady jeeter. These guys who've been in all these postseasons and you just to give you a little console. You a little about losing george about that know but you know you. You knew it was coming. Yeah it's more of a bummer. That they've only won one. I'll i'll remind you hard enough. Rogers brady far one dan marino. How hard it is and they wait two out of three and they were knocking on the door and all four years. They're fortunate in this group. They'll get to another one win one if they're blessed because that's how hard it is. It just is listen. I know everybody gets like mahomes. Everybody wants to look at the banners hanging yankee stadium. You know that mahomes gonna win. Fifteen or brady's one that's always talent but brady's although superbowls yes that's not the way it usually is it usually as rogers breeze astros. You just don't win over the i'm talking about with the certain core group looking seattle into one one. That group member looked like. Oh my gosh i'm good. Are they going to be for. They get knocked out of the playoffs. If russell wilson tough to do man sports talk. Seven ninety george springer gone. Maybe a little breather. It's a bummer breather. But for the shod watson chatter. But i'm sure we'll get into that as well today. And who will the coach be. And why and your thoughts. George springer your favorite memories and moving forward and we wish him. Well what am i. Well he's been my favorite player. Houston since i've been here sportstalk. Seventy sean salisbury. Show smart ass on your smart speaker. Google play sean salisbury on iheartradio baghdad sacks. Forget all the that's georgy. That's the song. For george springer hundred and fifty million dollars if you wanna call that of steak. I don't think many will to bummer. Why's everybody wanna leave. Houston sports got. Jv watered out well. This shot bedwell lead to coin at least for him. And and james Had his money to leave for whatever reason. We're not sure where sean wants to do or go. We just speculate right because everybody does. We haven't heard by the way. I think that we've got to prepare ourselves for the possibility that michael brantley is following george to disarm. Now listen if they see the houston rodeo. It's better than going to the yankees. The yankees been mentioned with brantley late right so him. Toronto d. h. Go to the calgary stampede. The houston rodeo. You can always go to the calgary stampede pop over there can you can tell walford. Remember there in buffalo say toronto. They're not point toronto this year but yeah congrats on going back to aaa george. You would think there's still a chance are playing into chance. The raptors applying their entire season in tampa. There's no way they're playing think that they're gonna. They wouldn't let them come back. Oh i know it's guaranteed though. Yeah one of all of the sudden they say with the vaccine kick in so we can have half our game canada now. They're saying stay away for a year. He's like he's gonna play in buffalo new york still going to be around people with some toronto. You could still go listen. He's still closer to the calgary stampede. In the middle part of canada then he is to houston so buff bellas in buffalo and far from toronto. Now that's called the northeast corridor gate northeast and trial beautiful city. That's one that you've been in that ballpark. No i have not beautiful browsers a hotel room in that ball and you can see the field. I want you can sit. You can sit your hotel room and see the field from the ballpark. I've actually been in that park baseball and Took batting practice in that park before. One of our cfl games against the argos. And that's great ballpark. And it's a great city. The people are awesome but Yeah i mean well. George maybe celebrate the super bowl with those guys. If all of a sudden buffalo bills were able to take it up there in buffalo and we'll see the seasonal start off a little chilly. I could promise you that. That's the listen to somebody the other day. That was there in september when the blue plan and they sit there weight room that they'd set up your aaa season in buffalo. Yes i don't know if that's gonna work. Actually that's they're going to have to find somewhere else to play. Probably and the question is will it be in the same city a different ball to be in a different city. Yeah i got an idea. Williamsburg pennsylvania home of the little league world series and all that field to while there are certain standards they had to go hundred feet to left field. Going real quick. They said that the weight room had buffalo. Ballpark was all outdoors and it was brutal for. It's freezing. I've lived it. Yeah i've lived it at. It is bone chilling cold to the point of like. I've told people you going to the grocery store like in late october. And you're freezing already know you to plug your car in. Won't die. The everybody has a bad the cord that hangs out their hood and you plugged his way of living through. There was a time for about an eight to ten day. stretch there with a wind. Chill because in in winnipeg peg is in the central part of it the peg. The biggest amount is a speed bump in a parking lot. And i'm telling you it's like the planes that wind will whip through there and it's freezing and if you go to the grocery store for thirty minutes you come back at. Your car will not start at times right. Depending on how long it was running beforehand so it stays warm but you plug it in. I mean have you pull that thing up and plug it right. There is a where we below below zero for about ten straight days. You walk a simply. When i parked my car. Walk to the complex. You know just in our parking lot where the players parked yeah. It's frigging brutal. It's brutal now. Toronto's not as cold as winnipeg but it's still toronto is still freezing and it'll start getting cold late august at times early. September bone chilling. But when you if they were not there ballpark but just going from the ballpark when you start to creep into october you know that time moment and not exactly hot. Yeah so you'll be going cold so that necessarily it's a chain now that stadium. Obviously you're going to be warm because it's about if your if you were in toronto. Yeah we're the hell else. Could they play well. I'm trying to split everything. All you could split with an another team in their state became does that. Is there another spot. I'm trying to think well leaving candidate. Can you play in northern new. I mean i you know i'm sitting here. Thinking like albany can use their a buzzer stadium. Two major league. The players association has to agree to well. The stadiums have to be major league. Sports out no. It isn't because they do play one major league game there a year around the time. The little league world series. But they're not gonna. They're not gonna agree to play in there all year with this. There are certain things that are negotiate like that was the issue at buffalo. Why they didn't play the whole season. There was the chair certain standards to be met for the. Were for the cba whereas a minor league ballpark in the northern part of the state In this got facility. That's baseball worthy. That team's not going to be trying to think of old st be very dictate. Yeah that's what i'm saying. You know really could play could go back. I don't know if they've they've changed completely but they go to atlanta. Plato turn field. That's still standing. It's that because it's warmer to buy it. It's still it is still haven't they haven't taken a wants them. Who the hell in now isn't there a some. Is soccer players football team. It's a college football team in place it will. It can't be georgia tech. It's got to be one of the smaller schools cured day okay because georgia tech plays in their own facility. Yeah so right off the freeway there. I you know what i don't know where they could play to be honest with you i. I don't know georgia's and planning toronto's what we're transit iowa. I where. I was just going to say that. But i don't think the players to i mean i don't know how far from the local hoteliers drag out to the ballpark. That's it congratulates. Congrats on your one. Hundred fifty million dollar deal. Go play in iowa. Now that's a fun weekend forum or not a data full sees looking at. We'd love it though. I'm gonna pictures turner field. They've retrofitted this football stadium now. It's going to be tough to change. So what about where. They play the world series in omaha. That's not that thought. That's that's a pretty good. I was the because that's a new stadium. We also have to collect. You still have to do with. What something rosenblatt stadium. The field something. That's still not even know if that's and the question is what's the crossover for the college world series and we can have this year. Those guys deserve their facility to right. We don't know our college. You're gonna during baseball season so you know. I don't think you're going to take time off like you do the olympics not to play. You're going to find a facility. Maybe they're holding out. Hope that something happens into. This vaccine allows him to go play in toronto but it appears right now because of what because of everything that's gone on that they won't play their game to toronto. Yeah at least that who knows. Maybe they'll get part of the season glaister as george early in the year opposite you'll see him in spring training because the blue jays are on the west coast of florida so they'll come over for a trip but i think it's early. May the blue jays come to town so hopefully you'll get a chance to say goodbye there. Let's say there's three bummer. For drew. brees it. He didn't say that and i think he's done right. Yeah me as the defense didn't get to stand ovation you know. See him out the you know. Thank him. I'm sure they will at some point thing about this. Let's say just for talking. So what if watson wasn't here all right watson comes back to town standing ovation if the crowd was. Oh yeah right. No question right. Even if he they come back and say we don't want to trade him and he wants out well they treat list. You'll still just your fault. Agreed harden absolutely not right. I was quite has said. He's going to get booed mercilus. Yeah and springer standing ovation for five minutes. Yeah right without a doubt. I mean like it will be. There will be tears. Shed james would have had a great ovation. Had it not the last month not ended like it did right. He handled it so poorly that he just pissed. Just handle it as good as anybody could. Because he just to say. He's about as quite george springer safe the season. He's not on social media accounts but he doesn't use the guy's got so much piece in his life though. I mean some. There's something to be said for the guy off socially as a player really is he. He doesn't use them. God i know that he never even checks them a good. You know what. I don't hate him for it. Yeah because then you can just focus onto it. Uses up so much time of your day right. Yeah trying to find sports or comments and be in your being kind and you're in the banter and all that as a player. There's no because even the good stuff you don't wanna believe very good because well you just want to focus on your job. But congratulations this george springer. We will the big ones up next poll question. And we're taking your calls at seven one three two one. Two five ninety. You can give us your best george springer story or the thing. I miss most about him. Today's your chance. It's a wednesday day and sports. Talk seven ninety is always right here mc heavy t in me going. Non stop sean. With former sean salisbury question. Just one question this big one. The big question of the day on the sean salisbury berry. Show we're gonna hit that big question. Today and william chamberlain. You're on the same page. As i was thinking thinking like this morning. Simpatico and We'll hit that in just a second. But let's get to mutton mujtaba. What's up man. Hey what's up sean. They have a different perspective. I've been i've been banging detection for for the the shawn watson debacle And a lot of it is is is deserved. But i wanna offer something a little bit Different man and that is man. I just the other day. I was playing basketball. You would've put a few kids and one of the kids got bumped. He's probably twenty two twenty three years old. You know i'm a grown man man. I'm i'm fifty years old. And i'm still in good shape but i put my hands on him in a sense i'm garden anyone. That'd be tied shock right and and and and and literally took his ball and left. You know how when you got. You got one good in the gym. Whatever go when that ball goes and everybody has to quit plan. Right yeah man. I'll take the ball man. You know. I won't touch you again and see. Here's the thing with this shawn watson. He just wants to leave. Yeah yeah there's some things behind. But if you're looking for these athletes man that be like warren moon and and and You know god. Neil lomax guys. That were were lifers. This is not how these guys are. These guys are are. This is the ghosting age grow. I mean these guys are tapei. Bake look james harden. He's he's another guy he just wants out. You know they don't you make let you finish your point but you know you know you make a great point we try to. It's like everything we tried to go so deep into issues or something. That's not even an issue. I mean we try. We try to dissect everything but like anything. Sometimes people forget sports you move to a city. You're there for a while you change your job. You move to another city because you got tired of the city. He just wanted to see something else people do. And and you're right. It may very well now. I know the front office hasn't helped. Don't misunderstand me. I get the dysfunction that would that would make somebody that would speed up your thought process but even in my life. I'm sure yours. There's times when you say and i've lived in cities or i say i'm not long for this city. I don't want to be here. I want my mom move somewhere else. I think we all go through that and it's not just the city but in society it's not sports for us. It's what we do but you're right. Maybe it's to the point. Where does shawn watson. And i don't know this. This is speculation till he tells us maybe he he wants to go somewhere else. And you're right. We are in a different time. You mentioned your guy at the basketball court hand. Check checking the gym. We always do that. Put a forum on there and then up and he gets up and leave. I'm not saying everybody's like that. But we're in a different time now. And you're right. The lifers in most jobs let alone sports. Don't exist the brady's the aberration and even he left at the end of his career to go somewhere. So you're right. Maybe it comes down to simply the dysfunction was just a way to speed this up. Maybe the sean just doesn't want to be here anymore. That's good not only son. Not only that will. Last point is You know the pet. The problem that i have with the schon right now is that. He's being a social media. Floozy you know. I mean you know. Listen you're not gonna return kids. Here's the here's the thing you got a new. Gm you don't know what direction he's going. How come you haven't taken his phone call you if you if you really can't another ship you know at some point you're going to say hey man. I got a new new beginning. This one guy. They happen at the higher. Gm that's their philosophy. Let's see what this guy once you know at the end of the day. I'm over here. Like in pictures of by wearing a forty nine jersey jersey's in i'm in brooklyn at the new jersey nets game talking about pulling up on katie their rumors. I mean it's just like it's cheap and blue bro. You know. I was gonna say the truth is to the i do believe i understand. And i know where. Everybody's onto sean side and i am too but i i'm with you on this. There comes a point time when part of the responsibility of leadership is at least listen to what the new gm has to say. If they're reaching out you may not like what he has to say to turn your radio down for me but you got like what he has to say but you do gotta take the call that that's part and parcel to be a leader. It at some point to sean is gonna have to respond. He's going to have to to to these guys man. I think you make a great point man. Thanks for chiming. That's great stuff. Excellent point and he is right there with the gym thing. It's like dude you're gonna you're gonna leave because getting checked in a gym stop it. We are in a different air. I'm not saying that everybody. I'm not put a blanket over. Don't like all this person's all this person's young it's just people think different not wrong they do and i think you're one hundred percent correct on part i do i i do. Sean may just not want to be here. And the dysfunction help speed up the process and he may really want to be hearing the dysfunction crushing. I don't know but i do think you're onto something. We're in a society when people do just up and want to do something different and go somewhere else and he does at some point need he while we owe him the respect. Meaning the front office to call shawn watson and keep making the effort which hopefully they are doing and the you know the but he's not answering calls but hopefully that they owe him the respect and have all along have given the respect he deserved but in the process. You don't have to be them. That if nick caserio calls. Nicosia has done nothing wrong right that you should take the gm. Okay even if it's fifteen minutes which we're where we headed. What do you think just to hear it just to hear it. I think that while does shawn watson deserves the respect from this organization and direction and leadership and somebody's also asked the leader. I think has an accountability and responsibility. Give nick caserio the same respect that he'd want meaning to sean. I do and luton. You're dead on with that i. There's no question. And i'm a. I'm onto sean side. Ninety nine point nine percent. But i do believe you do need to address at take the call and just say listen. I must start. I'm going to deal with this head on i. I do believe that. I'm with you. One hundred percent. And i hope he does because we need him here. There's no question. George sprayer gone so the poll question and our guy william chamberlain was on the same page. Should the houston astros retired. George springer is number four. Yes or no to me. It's a simple. Yes i mean. There's guys that still have had their numbers retired. That i think are worthy of it and i'm talking about lance berkman and royals wall and billy wagner to be perfectly honest with you so it's difficult that if if they don't those guys don't get their numbers retired 'cause they have a lot of retired numbers maybe two minutes question is how eventually if you retire them the guys are going to be wearing number seventy five that are just not all right I would retires number as your first first and only world series. Mvp is a number between hanging the banner of number four. I mean. I know you know how some people here in the retire in the number and hanging your number from the hall of fame now. He's he's getting his number. Retired would agree. yeah. I would've and number four. Quite frankly and baseball is not exactly a number that a lot of people use so. It's not like a bunch on fat. Craig busiest first number was number four. Oh wasn't when he first came down in the minor leagues or when he came came out. Oh seven there you go so Yeah so the question is very simple. Should george springer number be retired. His number four be retired. He will look at the big numbers. And you know rankings franchise history and say. Oh no you shouldn't be there. He hosts season matters and also fifth all-time in in career home runs in astros history. One hundred seventy four. Those okay should they. Do you think they will yes long. Jim crane is the owner. Yes i was just going to go. I was going to say. I think he'll mr crane handled properly. Yeah soon as george retires that next season i think you'll see the number route i honestly and i'd place if you're the astros anybody lifting do not let anybody number four again. I know that they've it's been weird like i always thought. Rails rose while royals while she'd be retired. His number should be retired. You're alvarez wearing his number roosevelt's one off the franchise. How do you take it away from right alvarez right and see i think that will tell one for tita retire. James hardie number. I think so too retire. I think we'll do the right thing whether we like. The way harden wit tired serving. There's no question there's no question it did take the like of him out of it. You put the result in the way. Play george springer. So we'll his number be retired. That's the poll question. The number four. It's sports talk seven ninety. Sean sows bruce. Show with heavy. And mc dr jeff whitson wits vision dot com my guy. Listen i get tired of squinting and glasses and readers. 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That is gone. George springer off to the toronto blue jay six years one hundred fifty million dollars and that home run of the five. It's hard to rank them. It's hard to rank the nineteen that he hit in the postseason but that one to me might be the most amazing of them all because the half inning before he was out there defensively and made the massive mistake. What they always tell you to not do as an outfielder especially the centerville to dive at a ball head. I like that when there's a runner on base because if it gets by you guess what they can score and kika hernandez came around scored. The dodgers were back in front and Was a game that age just all about fifteen years back and forth back and forth and it was just the perfect. That was that to me was the definition of george springer as a houston astro. When you might wanna kick. He might feel like he's been kicked because he's down he was gonna come right back and knocked the hell out of ya. He should have he did. He had his head hanging out there in the outfield. After making that mistake the inning before and it was a bad bad moment. I stinking pitch. I think it was the first pitch. The bet what will go with that yes. It was desperate. It was the first pitch morrow throws of ninety seven mile. An hour heater up in his. He just tanked job. That thing i mean just you wanna talk about fricken baseball and hidden it to the moon and then of course it lands right where the smoke comes out when they fire off the the know the cannon bayer the fireworks there it was just perfect and it was perfect. George and of course. That wasn't the end of the game. Unfortunately the astros would end up getting a twelve eight lead and then they would tie it again. Thirteen hundred twelve and ten innings on the alex. Bregman walk off to left centerfield off kidney janssen something that we saw. I've seen a lot from alex. Bregman hitting you know. Big big hits off of kenley. Jansen did again this past season. But george springer it sucks. We knew that the state would think about the clubhouse standpoint. It's going to be different. You know we'll see if you we are able to get down to spring training this year even if we do. I doubt we'll be able to get into the clubhouse and doing anything There but that was one of the things always stood out when i was able to go to stuff throughout the years was the the environment and it was always led by george. He was truly the guy. The the straw that stirred the drink The team energy the leader all of it and unfortunately he and it sounds like michael. Brantley is probably on his way out the door as well. blue jays hard after him as well. Both those guys in toronto. Be a massive massive coupe for for that baseball team to get those guys I will never forget though. Just the the silly fun that was always spring training the net clubhouse chris gordian i got to do a lot of it. You could just go to george and talk to him about anything was always great. Gracious time you'd go in there in the middle of the afternoon the in the middle of the summer in the clubhouse before those games and you know it's it's the dog days of summer in baseball but there was always this fun energy because it may george made it fun in your your hope that that doesn't go away so many of those guys still are there. That are a part of that. And make it fun so i don't think it will completely go over. Ob it will be different and that part stinks because you need a guide that it light when it needs to be light air when times are tough in baseball because tough times. Come all the time like they're going to miss that presence in the locker room dearly. Like saying you go into the middle of the week and Yeah i'll never forget the two thousand seventeen season specifically because you went to spring training that year and it was. It was after the year disappointment because they they took a step back from the two thousand fifteen season and they weren't as good and they made a bunch of additions in terms of veteran talent on the team. And i remember my first moment walking into that clubhouse spring training and you felt this different like business like approach to it already as you got there before you even walked in is head of the first full team workout but as soon as you got in. There was brian mccann salty veteran team dad playing. Nhl hockey on a playstation with george springer and getting mad because georgia's kicking his ass throwing the playstation controller at the tv and. i was like that defines. Who george springer was. He brought even the old grumpy. Get off my lawn. Brian mccann to playing video games. All the time. And eventually making brian mccann throw a video game controller. Because georgia's kicking ass do not hate the off by law and i love brian mccain. He was. He's not as long as you would think once you got to be around random a little bit like sitting on your porch with the ice chest like dance to it and he was just baseball rules guy. He was an enforcer. Oh yeah but away from trips to the mound to yeah okay. Hey all right within the rules at the time man. There's a lot of sign stealing on across baseball. You had to make sure your signs were together. Yeah what was the movie with. Clint eastwood. I can't ask you what. The movie was grant arena where we sit on the porch. Get off my lawn guy drinking. Pabst blue ribbon I know the movie i've never seen. Oh gosh we're going to break. I've had on me. I will admit that is bad. I have never seen it. Yes okay grossly rice classic. How dare tyler. That's one of the ones where i've been meaning to get around went for the longest time and i just never got around to it. It once you're going to say. Why haven't i watched. I was really good in and good storyline about how he protects the family. It's pretty cool. But it's it's the typical grumpy old man on the on the front porch. It's eighty five and he's had it with the world right all right. Well george springer to shawn. Watson hopefully isn't out james harden's out can can we please have wins is going to stage a watts. Next could data. The exodus is like nuts right. Good things are going to happen dude. i'm gonna miss. I know. I'm just saying. I just remember that the astros are going to do things before the season starts. I like to say do some things. They're going to do something with your brother. Sports seven ninety your favorite george springer. Store your memory. What you're gonna miss about him. Among the obvious to shawn watson will continue to be the talk and i do believe isn't tim. Kelly getting talked to by other students. Somebody requested i mean wants to interview about their offense coordinator. Spot is tim. Kelly did i. Did i see that or am. I dreaming this. We'll discuss sports talk. Seven ninety. sean. Salisbury show part time french very this. Is the sean salisbury show. Sports talk seven ninety. We are a hundred and sixty five close. Two hundred votes in springer on the jersey retired fifty two percent. Yes forty eight percent know at people are just mad they going. You can't be mad at at georgie people. Are you know what. Why would i be mad. Why would anybody be mad at somebody. Who's a free agent. Didn't get off at the money. Wanted takes a buck. Fifty sat down in the george. And hopefully we'll be able to do that at some point. Get to talk to him. He'd probably would have loved to stay in houston he always said it before. You didn't want to know. Why would you leave a place. You're so good. I mean if you get the money on say houston's better than toronto. There's an ask ton of taxi pay point in canada. You have to do here pay those taxes. That's that's a fact. That's the fact jack. Name that movie. The stripes seen it. Yeah says nah. don't let the military when they're just. Yeah tyler you'd never saw did you. I never did see. I only know it from that. Clip your start. That's the fact jack with bill. Murray right yeah we played it awhile starting to creep into mc territory. No actually hold on. I have a question ramzi. I let you borrow twenty. Have you seen them watch pretty well movies. Twenty one and twenty two. You watched them. Yeah what was your favorite thing about him. I mean they're stupid. I've seen them. It's just stupid silly fine. It's not gonna. I'm not gonna lie. Passed out during twenty two. Jump straight while okay see we still have. I watched twenty one yet. I liked when a cube off autumn. And the i walked in dropping f bombs cubes a good f-bomb dropper. You really is georgia's a good f-bomb dropped her. In the clubhouse george springer was and bomb once in a while ronnie are you have bombed dropper. Just don't do it on here. No no i don't. I don't i'm too old. Your past. that point. Yeah i got you. What's on your mind. Besides i my luck. I would make a mistake and do it at the wrong time around my wife history. You want to be a net doghouse man. That's not a good one way or no way. I listen. I got to george springer memory mc. You may have to help me with this. Because i don't remember all the specifics but there was a game. I believe in twenty fourteen against the rangers. Where the astros were fighting throughout the whole game went into extra innings. George hit a home run. I believe in the top of the twelve and put the astros ahead. This was twenty fifteen where he robbed the home. Run a grand slam. Yeah early twenty early twenty seventeen. maybe twenty seventeen. I think fifteen to here it was fifteen. It was early in the fifteenth. Season that game to me. As i look back on it now that really i think let us know who george is or was and let us know what he's going to what's going to mean to this team. Yeah with that was it. Was april twelve. Twenty fifteen in arlington tie game in the tenth and his rob grand slam just plays like that word and see all the time. You've been an astros fan for a long time. where does he fit whereas he fit in. Your pecking order favorite players. Oh boy jeez well. I'm an old time fan. And i still i mean part of it is because i get mad you know certain players were traded and our left that i didn't wanna see leave and i won't putting behind but he's in that ilk of Joe morgan rusty stop Even today no oh you know Sedan didn't live up to what he should have done because he just messed around a lot. But yeah he's up there he's not maybe at the top but You know as bum phillips said he may not be in a class by himself but it won't take long to call the role they go and do you. You don't begrudge for taking the money and going right now. I wish i wish he would stayed. And i just hope it's not a sign of things. They need lockup korea. They need to lock him up. So that the fans can know that crane and click or not bailing out on us. You know people yeah. Does anybody actually think are they. I mean they've they're going to enter the season with a top five payroll i. I don't think that if you think they're bailing on you. I just i think that's too far for me. I know that you just can't keep everybody. If they signed career. I get it. That would be huge. That would ease some in the eastern tension will. Everybody says you can't keep everybody. You can't keep it but the yankees do look at it. Now they don't like their day avoided paying the luxury tax as much they possibly because the luxury tax penalties are steep. They keep certain guys when they have to. But they're about to have to make a huge decision on aaron judge. There's no way he walks. I think it's employees. That would be a hard one is the unless he wants to use a free agent. But i can't see them not making him an offer that will be difficult to refuse. Fascism play up to this luxury tax number as hard as far as they can like they did last year and the year before. Think it's just the reality of going over is a backbreaker ronnie. Don't be a homer here. would you retire. But but the oddest the matter of fact. Remove yourself from the city but you know all about it. The springer's number deserve to retired. I don't think so. Not because of george. I just think we're retiring numbers of players too soon. You know in terms of you look at the oil yankees my god berra mantle. Ruth gehrig all these numbers. These guys were absolute top of the top notch. Top of the line hall of famers and teams are retiring numbers. Now of players who yeah. They're they're good. They're better than average. Some of them were maybe multiple time all stars. But they're not the top of the line. It won't be long. We're going to have to be given triple digit numbers because there won't be any number. You're you're saying we're not we're not. It's not exclusive enough anymore. No i you're right. I don't think it is so. I don't think it of harmony. I got nothing against george. I not personal be rooting. I'm gonna be looking for the for the blue jays because of all the guys they got vlad. Connor video guys. I'm going to be following them just because it's going to be very interesting watch. Yeah how can you not root george springer no matter where he is ironic. Thanks man appreciate you guys all right. Thank you yeah. He makes an interesting point to take the emotion of how we feel about a guy and replace it with. Its like the hall of fame. You'll get some nfl hall of famers that are don't like some of the criteria some of them think it's not exclusive enough and yet you just got over th barely over three hundred guys in it and that seems a bit baseball. Watch baseball about the do. They're probably not going to elect anybody in the hall of fame right here. Yeah which again. It's a bit absurd. Stoop the nba's. I don't want to say easy but the easiest way is being a hall of famer. I love yao ming. He doesn't deserve to be an awesome because worldwide contribution in that case he does but when nba player. no right. that's exactly right. And i do think we get to the point. We fall in love with favorite player. Even if it's in short stints and you're like oh my gosh. I'm not saying george telling all around. Say well that i got have george. He's gonna retire the number we got to put them in all of fame. Now george anybody. And i do think we've got to guard against it because we think of somebody has a handful of good season remove springer from this. There are times when we're hanging. Jerseys probably in certain cities or we wanna hang jerseys and certain cities. Yeah that is like this is a this is number deserve to be retired george soon so we do. And you've got to guard against that. It's got to be exclusive and it would be easier to do if the ashes didn't retired astronaut numbers early right history when they retired too many along. There's a few. There are all different their own right but they're probably a few that don't number to retire number. It can't be a good player. Insistently long dominant me. George not having the long tenure that you would hope for how jose altuve without a doubt easy going to have his number retired house all right to the deal. Alex bregman will end up getting his number retired one day. I think justin verlander will get his number retired one day but the like george joined now we would not have to George goes past just because the postseason on top and then he brought you for your first. How your he's you're first and only world series interviews. You probably wouldn't retire number if you just looked at his time. Here is a regular been good regular season wise. If you never world series no you would not retire number 'neverland or short stint but the national. That's what he's done. It's difficult to here and colds. Numbers got no shot retired here. Nassir sort step but he was awesome. What here long enough. Just can't they. I savor lander in nets on the side. Note of jim crane being the. He gestured tight. Right and you'll get argument from some of say one near long enough to do it. Although i feel that you have to retire roy ause before you retire verlinden jinx. So too but i i. It's been so long now. We're owes walton bergman. Haven't had their numbers retired. I don't think it's gonna happen. I hate to say it. I think billy wagner before both those guys. He has deserved never retired. For a longtime franchise leader in saves One of the five greatest closures. Every three people in truth the deserve their if they're going to get numbers retired. Would that should go ahead of justin ladder considering their act here in the length the link. There's no question about itself. But i get it just. The exclusivity is is difficult because we let our emotions get in williams the last conversation we have to have for a while about an astros legend moving on. I hope it's the last conversation we have to have or at least the last person we have to discuss. That is a star in this town. Moving on think. Prompt gonna be wrong. I hope i'm not but we'll throw it out throwing that out there into the universe so we get good luck in return and i'm making. I'm winning that billion dollars on friday. Yeah i was gonna win over last night. I decided to wait a week. Two three days to get it to dry right around a billion i've already got some of it spent in my mind giving you guys a huge bonus to eight bucks knob kit nice. I think i'd have to roll it here. Give big bonuses. My teammates forgot about four or five. Zeros behind him. I think about six zero. So there you go. I would have to do that just because we're team as long as you guys promised me you weren't you. Were staying. stay right got to keep you. I'll stay teams mustache. Gift team continuity matters right. I'll high around for massive bonus pay. Let's massive you. Had it a few two zero on that boat. I just said massive massive could be like a hundred bucks bait. Never go broke taking a note sports stocks that have a ninety. We'll take it out next. Sean salisbury shohei. How about some deals that you start twenty twenty. One classic chevy sugarland with no down payment. Hell after what's happening. Twenty twenty two people's finances and what's going on and trying to get yourself right and twenty twenty one. No down payment sounds pretty good at classic chevy sugarland ten years in a row. The gm dealer the your y customer service service department volume. That's a good place to start. They got your vehicle. What if i told you could roll in there. 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Stakeout steakhouse on the sean salisbury. Show a new at heard this right and willing bridges sent this and said here's the report that i knew i had Was onto. Somebody's gonna remember who said it. But we were discussing about tim kelly. Now this is a lot to do with the coaches but maybe count mcnair. Those guys will say that we want to keep here because what happened but A source told dan graziano. Espn that Teams have ask permission to interview. Texans offensive coordinator. Tim kelly for they're open see jobs and houston has denied the requests. What's spoken highly of jelly could be an olive branch. Obviously remains to be seen. Whether it happens that's graziano said about the situation and then the next thing that means is this is the part of the texans gonna tell the next head coach. Tim kelly is tim. Kelly is is going to be your offensive coordinator now. Some would say. Let me interview. 'em okay i like it just like they told mike mccarthy in dallas with With kellen and he's obviously philadelphia for a minute seemed interested in him as their head coach. Who knows what's going to happen there but with He telling more now took over and had a good offense. Even without i mean prescott. Was there things were going. Well any put up big numbers. So the question is is tim kelly. Even though the staff's been removed. Tim kelly obviously seems like the one who may still be here. Cassini into sean were on the same page in record numbers for sean so then the next coach may comes in. I don't know that's not going to be the case. And i would imagine reserves that right to so i guess it's safe tim kelly they still haven't quote unquote fire him. Yeah you don't wanna contracts right so we'll wait to see what happens so that's just something that obviously tim kelly's performance this year with the shawn watson has made the texans take notice as well as other teams across the guy to stick it out heavy. T we'll start with you then of my bonus that i start i Yeah you get this dishes. Part of this is one of zero's right here we go. I would like a miracle this yesterday. I should have got that anyways so about a month ago when the covid vaccine started to roll out out so he thought the show adams over went ahead and made it very clear saying quote. There's no way we'd ever jumped the line in any form whatsoever. One month later coordinate. Sports illustrated nba players could receive covid nineteen vaccine in the coming weeks in order to educate and influence the public. This is per adam silver naturally. They're getting a lot of backlash. If you're adam silver should you recant. The statement and say. We're not gonna do that after all don't you. I don't see how you can make a player. Take a force him to take. Make take a vaccine. I don't see how that's quite frankly. I don't know how you're allowed to do that. Because i know fence. You can't tell me now you can make me test every day gets a job. You don't get to come and tell me in this situation. That if i don't want the vaccine if i want to take it and i'll have a problem with that either but if i don't want you don't get as an nba player you don't get to dictate if somebody has made me think that they're allergic to it. Some people are having horrible. Reactions are having a horrible reactions from it to the point of some of died from it. So i don't know i'm not a doctor i don't know but i i don't think adam silver reserves the right to tell a player you're not playing in the nba if you don't get a vaccine. I don't think. I think that that's probably overstepping his bounds of it. And he's a good commissioner. I you may. You may suggest that. I take it if you're an nba player. I don't see how you can force any nba player to take and when people say well. Everybody should take date well. Everybody doesn't react the same. I've never had a flu vaccine in my life never had a flu shot in my life. Not that i care about those. That do i mean eh mad if those that do i've just never had one and i don't get the flu. I don't get the flu. Well what about somebody else. Well if i'm sick. I stay home now. This is different. I know the covert. I'm not saying the clothes the flu so if you're asking me if i want to get it i'll get it. I'm gonna let somebody else putting someone came to me today. This is not political. This is just me and said sean. There's vaccine that you or at eighty or give it to the to the person who wants it or somebody who's in a higher risk situation olive defer to them. Come see me when when all this settles in. And then we'll we'll discuss. I'm not going to be first on the line for it. I'll leave that to somebody else. Who's desperate need of or craves it. That's okay but i don't see how you can force a player and i would. I would probably take a step back on that. This is not the you can't force it down. somebody's throat. I wouldn't think you can't. You can't play if you don't take the vaccine ain't buying that so i'll be one for me while see how it goes all the other people take it and do it but you don't get to force a vaccine shot into my arm until i see what goes on on a second one and i may love it. I don't know. I may get it but right now. If you say sean. They walked in the door today and asked me take the vaccine. I'm saying no. I'm not interested. That's an and i'll be respectful. Those who are. But i reserve it for somebody who is in more desperate need than me. Especially if there's a pecking order. I don't belong in the pecking or somebody in a more important position. Does i'm okay. I'll wait so. I don't think you can and you'll get some resistance from players. If he tries to do that i don't think he can. I don't know how you guys feel. And like i said my. My son works for the sons. He's there chef so he he may be in a position where he has to get. He may want to get it. And that's okay. I don't know yet if i want to get it. I don't know. I'm not sure that i don't think you can force me to get. It is my point and i don't think the nba can force players to do either just because they wanted to being. What a good example. Is that what you said. They want they might have players. Take it in order to educate the public. Then what adam silver you could set up there and pull your shirt sleeve up in front of everybody and you can take it and let's see how it works on you and then we'll see if the player and if the player wants to take it no problem if lebron james decides he doesn't want to take it i don't see how you can make him take it so i don't think the commissioner reserves the right to force that vaccine on his players. I just don't think it's a one of those things that's going to be. Tell somebody until we're in that world where you'd walk down the street and you have had the vaccine. I i you know i'm gonna i'm gonna be the one that sits back and i'll just wait if m. c. You wanna step in line in front of me. You can have it brother. I mean i'm just me personally. I'm waiting a little while. Yeah that's that's exactly. And i don't have people who do get it. God bless them i. I'm all for it. But i'm gonna i. I'm going to stand near the end of the line that makes sense. Yeah i'm okay. And i and part of that's also the respect for those people that are far more high risk for more high need for more positions that they need it before i do. I don't need to jump to the front of the line. I'll stay in the back out of respect as well and quite frankly. I'm going to observe and see what goes on fair. Enough now tyler. What about you. I if. You're adam silver. Did you think he reserves that right to do that. No absolutely not agree. And i would also weight in the back of the line to. I'm good. i'm with you see what you got all right. Let's just go out and make our guests today. He told them he's gone. Who is playing centerfield opening day for the astros in twenty twenty one and who is the leadoff hitter opening day this season. I'm gonna go jackie. Bradley will be the center fielder. He's coming over from the red sox. That is my guess as well and greg glove postseason for the red sox astros. Yeah i. i've talking to sparks about him for christmas christmas. Show that we have we should. I did it for best up stuff. Jackie bradley jr. is one of these lower center filters in the league in terms of the metrics but his roots debase routes routes routes whatever to. Baseball's is better than anybody. It's like it's like it's better coming. Granted anybody in the game and it's like well you see a strike. Yeah dude his long. It's extremely extremely slow. He crazy he covers more ground with his legs of his stride then. He does with the quickness to get their drives people mad. I think with the bat. But he's going to be your eight or nine what he's gonna deal. Strike up two times and make a catch in center field that you're like. Wow yeah he's like. I don't know if anybody used to watch old school. Guys that are listed. Ronnie was gary maddox daddy. Long legs is what they call him for the philadelphia phillies. He was a guy says even moving and man he could cover it from gap the gap. He was phenomenal. And you said you know that guy you like you watch football places. He really run and they never catch it right. And i think jackie bradley like that. He's made so many plays in boston. Is is is bad. It's gonna drive me nuts but he's gonna be hit the bottom but his glove will save you like. Oh this exactly. But he has a long strider. I think he's in centerfield leadoff hitter. I think they're going to put out to back up. That would be my number one choice. I would say so too to start and we'll see how it goes. But i'm trying to think of the lines. That was my second choice. I swear to you now. People can resolve dusty this past year he used for. They're a little bit. I swear to you because got pop. You'll strike out against george night now. So i in my order was going to be out to eight. I think i liked followed by out too. I love al tv in the two hole. If you didn't think tucker can do it out to the obvious choice. But that was my order and say well. I'll i and it used to be guys. Gotta be selective at the plate. Will georgia times. Strike out four times and you know what i'm saying. What the pop lead off a game and tucker's got that they put it this way you will see him leadoff spot at some point. Yeah just like we did with dusty. Now i don't why not gas can be so we've had like seven years or whatever george and we did not discuss that i saw that was my order was out to kyle tucker and it wouldn't shock me. If tucker is the leadoff guy in right field. I'm with wouldn't shock me sportstalk. Seven ninety two stakeout comeback much to discuss your favorites george springer. Store your memory. sean salisbury. Show this is. The sean salisbury. Show stock seven ninety. I gotta be honest now. Our talking there is a sense of deep breath of. I'm exhausted about the sean. I don't know about you guys but it is exhausting shawn watson situation. Not because of him. Just the whole thing i should have. I shouldn't be like oh man. We get to talk baseball today. Because it's oh man. George springer is gone but it's part of us. There's a different topic. Other than james harden and shawn watson at the moment i no one hundred percent agree. Sorry i was just watching. His president trump. I'm going to ask you guys a question about not him but that the office then it's not political. It's just it's an overall statement. We'll get to that a second. But i think there's a moment of george being gone over him leaving. I think there's an excitement to get away from the craft that the astros probably still got all. He's gonna have to answer questions. But i'll be people in toronto. Didn't like him because of it. We're gonna love as well. These cheaters come to our. isn't it. Amazing how quickly mookie. Betts became a fan favourite. Oh hell yeah team favorite. yep boy. they didn't allow all this. He comes there and he's one of the more popular due to the team at a quite frankly really good player too so that helps and a good dude so people love him but yeah it'll change. They'll they'll welcome george with open arms and rightfully so. I think for georgia one of those. There's like anything there's a sense of melancholy you go through now the differences here during this cove stuff. You don't get the same bit because the crowd. You know what i'm saying. He didn't say his goal way sees i mean different because breezes of all but but it's similar is even get to say your goodbyes. And they didn't say their goodbyes. We're gonna wake up and george springer. The next time you see is going to be in a blue jays uniform hitting baseball's spring training so i think there's a melancholy. Think about any time whenever you think i'm going to miss it but then it kicks in there. There's some change here. i'm you're always excited for your new for your for your new adventure and fifty dollars can really take the sting out hundred and fifty million one hundred fifty million dollars hundred fifty seven hundred fifty dollars one hundred one bargain. Bluejays can take the sting out. So i think exciting and he's going to team. It's young. he. They fit the george springer profile. They're going to be young team like this. Yeah they're good. They're gonna be flashy they're gonna hit home runs and let you know about a lot like that when he came up there. Twenty fifteen sixteen. Twenty seven guerrero the veteran. Yeah exactly exactly. So they got an springer's springer is the guy people come to now and george will play with great energy so good for him so i think there is that sigh of and i do think that even though george lee talking baseball. It's like okay. Just hold the watson stuff off for a couple more hours so we can get it the next the next team rumor that he's gonna get traded to comes out or hopefully that he'll talk to nick caserio or they'll make a decision on their head coach sometime soon. Will it be. Eric be enemy or someone else We obviously later as a week goes on. We will discuss I put a call into my guy eric dickerson to see. Come on join us and talk the play offs not to put pressure on him to pressure on him and work that for guests as we get later in the week. We talk but the shawn watson situation. Sometimes you just need to step back and breathe. I was gonna ask you and i don't. This is not political. I don't want on our tv. in here. i don't want to get into the trump and biden. Who you like. I don't. I don't care about that. I wonder what it's like. And i know she's well for different. Don't jump into the. Don't choose the president. Just stick to the old beijing significant piece of news in the nfl. No it's a quarterback inside the afc south though philip rivers is retiring. ooh interesting. that's not i. Would i tell you on this show. Six weeks ago that drew brees will be at nbc next year. In philip rivers will be coaching high school. Football i said it amazes tonight. I've been told Somebody from san kevin acee from the san diego union. That he is retiring he is going to retire. he's going to go high school football in alabama. I knew it was listen. I could've told you that i couldn't. I didn't know for a fact. But i go on. Dan dockage every monday. And i told him a month and a half ago. I said i thought. I said it on here but you don't know who i can't remember where i said it but i said i told him. I said that they had season's over. Philip rivers gonna be coaching high school football and and This'll before brees got hurt breeze. It's going to be working at nbc. Period i believed that you just just looking at the whole situation. There comes a point in time. We know it's time. Yeah the quote that kevin acee tweeted out just a few minutes ago he goes. It's just time yes. Seventeen seasons in the nfl. It's just know. And i'll tell you when you really know. It's not just the injuries to thanks. And he had those. This year is on the off season when the off season is not the season it's the toughest they love. It's the off season preparation to get to the season. It's a grind. You got all the kids around. You want to go have vacations and at that age. What are you gonna do. You can't take much time off because you've got to treat your body even better because you're older you don't recover as quickly and then secondly when you when when you're at the complex even in my situation is the guy who started some backed up some you know how i knew wasn't it was a job when it became work. I'm like i'm ready for the next phase of my life. Which was this phase of broadcasting. I didn't know. But this is what i thought i wanted to do right. And so but you know those guys who've taken a lot more hits and played a lot longer had far more successful careers you just know man matter of fact and you don't know i got news for you. Philip rivers new york in december or november drew brees new. I'll bet you drew brees new when the season started for the most part even if it went well if they want a super bowl is going to ride off into the sunset. If they didn't that it was time some things speed up the process. But i think you kind of know what it's like. okay. I can feel it and this is about this. It's time to go right. You get to a point where you feel that. Excuse me all athletes do regardless of the level of starter or backup you just kind of know and philip rivers could have got twenty million plus. He got twenty five million this year. He goes rank right clubs and drew. Brees would come back those guys going out on their terms now because they're forced out although i'm thinking both teams are probably like it's time to move on the interesting. Excuse me the interesting part of that is now. The texans will be nuts. But if you're the indianapolis colts i'll guarantee you. They're going to get to the sam darnold. Sweepstakes battle wins the show. That's exactly right though. I think would sean you get a big fat written. But they will call. Yeah they're going to call. I'm just telling you and jameis. Winston may come into play. Who knows a frank reich. Wants that 'cause the thing they struggled with this year to just like new orleans put down the ball downfield and just think for them to. I mean he played really well and the envy. The end wasn't him in the fumble at the gym. But i can tell you though he. He had some moments where it looked like the rivers absolutely and he had an offensive line. So you really know that. Philip rivers knew it was time. 'cause they got one of the better off in castanza's retired but they're talk is l. draft another guy in the first round or somewhere. Hi this year and plug it in. You knew you got an offensive line is pretty good right and sloan. The whole philip rivers still wants to go. This doesn't surprise me at all. But i'll tell you what it does now changes. They're focused draft wise or do they think jacobs and content. That job over right. They driver says you're ready to reset to come yarder or be that guy that they use coming in on short yardage situations. And then you say and what i say sweepstakes. I think there's going to be a couple teams want darnold. Would you jump into that. You still got a call the texas and they're nuts enough to trade to shawn watson but ads for an interesting play in a a south. That's already interesting. It makes the texans right now road back to being a better football team or at least a competitor easier at the moment because the colts quarterback situation is right as long as you don't screw up no doubt about it and then you're going to hear this too. I'm just telling you that. The name zack wilson. A couple of places gonna come up. I actually saw one report. Cbs yesterday draft. Oh you saw that. Mock draft the guy that five of the ten picks the first first ten picks being quarterback. You throw the hell down. He's got the texans trading to the miami dolphins and drafting drafting. Zack wilson. third for handy. That'd be stupid to lose. The shots is going to be good player. But not shawn watson expense. No thanks sportstalk. Seven ninety shot south breeze show. I wonder what somebody goes through. And they've left the most powerful position in the world. Not who the person is. But what that feeling's like you mentioned george springer. That's not the most powerful position the world. That was a pretty powerful position here. We'll talk sports talk. Seven hundred. The sean salisbury show continues. I'm curious guy. Relief and i know that the inauguration and the changing of the from one office to the from one man to the next. I don't care about who the man is right now. And that's not my point. I was just thinking what it must be like. Whether it's president bush. President obama president trump doesn't matter who voices or who that person is. I just want her to give you. Have you ever thought about your the most powerful well most powerful man on the planet right. You would think there's a president. Is the commander in chief. What does that be like to leave. Office it's gotta be crazy again right and you're still the rest of your life going to have detail no matter where easy. Oh yeah. I don't know i mean i still didn't is the man something with that but the impeachment. I think part of the impeachment process that they wanted to take away his lifetime detail. I think that was part of it now whether they did. Or not through this impeach. I don't know if it's like one of those things that's part of the pecking order or you had to ask for it but the norm. That's why i'm ninety about trump. I'm just normal overall detail for life. Your life changed. I'd give you bring her secret service for you get you get. I mean you'll go give a speech for a half a million bucks for an hour. I mean it changes but when you've been making the most important decisions as as a commander in chief not just him but any of them that's gotta be a chance. I mean now. I would imagine there's a part of when you leave is also like the deep south. I'm so glad to deal with this anymore. Yeah i mean egos one thing but there's got to be a sense of let somebody else make deal with this right. i mean. can you imagine what it would feel. Like for you tyler. I mean just to have that would you. Would you be breathed a sigh. Or egos say i want more this or both. I would definitely breath the siberian. Like okay now. I can finally relax. Try to your life there. There's no way that. I know the president takes quote unquote vacations. There's no way he ever really has a day off. It's just it's not possible. Your phone's never off right because the world doesn't stop when you got all that guy golf did did but at some point time on the golf course like i said i don't want to put it on trump. This is not a trump thing because there's not trump thing because the all the president's played golf for the most part or basketball they all took vaca- that's not even the point of this. The point is just what it does. Forget it remove him percents. President bush obama. That's walking off leaving irwin. Joe biden leaves the office in six months. I mean in in four years. I getting macabre harris is the president. I'm joking is when you decide to walk away from it. It's gotta be Not a blow to your ego. I mean how you lost. Maybe but there. I'm with you. There's got to be a time. we say okay. I've had it think about that. We talked about. I mean you think it's tough. Do you think it's tougher to leave easier. Leave if you left on you know easier to leave the job after years even after four. When i would never want that job. That's what i was gonna say. Who wants that gig crazy people who wants that kid crazy people that mean if somebody said man you gotta call. I'd say hell no. I want no part of that job. Who would want that number. I've always wondered. Maybe that's why sometimes the president that gets elected maybe as everybody's favorite or he goes through it or if you take and why didn't this person run you know why because there's there's some sanity why the hell would you want to run for president. United states god. Bless you if you do we need good ones. But i can tell you this i would want no part of it. Would you know. I mean i love great leadership but i don't want to be that person. There's a lot of jobs that sound. Great that i wouldn't want thank you. Yeah if the powerful there's certain power jobs don't want and that's one of them. I have no interest in zero. I'd like to go the white house and walk around and said it s can see how cool that would be invited to go play golf with any sitting president or see what they go through everyday and kind of go into their kitchen. Open the refrigerator and find out man so acting. This is cool is a refrigerator. Bigger out too stupid little things right. I like history and walk around the garden. The rose garden. I'd love to do that. But i have no desire to what i would never want to be the president making decisions. I'm be good i'm over. I'd pass yeah hard. Pass big time. Not even interested. I'll just win the powerball mega millions and be my own president right out of your own corporation. Make all your own decisions with my own life and that is what to do here. you go. Billion did a billion the lie. Mine a billion and be nice. Okay just think what you just said about george springer contracts under fifty million dollars or six year. He probably gets what at the end of it. Well if we're taking toronto taxes and yeah and eighty five ninety no no no more than one hundred sixty. Let's say about a buck ten. Okay let's just say that that'd buckton money with think about that. You're making nine times more if you win. Powerball not are mega millions nine times more. What if you're george holiday and go by mega millions ticket and you win. Do you quit hail though you keep playing in love baseball. You're not quitting baseball. I'm just saying like there because there's always guys in sports that it's a job dude. I told you right now. And i'm telling you again and i know you don't believe it but i promise you on my on my life than if i won this one ticket. You're working. I know you i would. I know i love being around. You guys live around here too. But i would. I would this get up at four o'clock in the morning for the birds amount used to my body used to but i'd i'd give changed the talking like up at five forty five right. Come in two minutes before the shuttle you want far. I've got eight hundred million dollars in the bank. I'm not alamo driver of the story. Yesterday from the today show. They had online like people that win the win. The lottery are shown to be more miserable. And they're and i'm like miserable. Miserable miserable enrich louis. Not rich might cough every day. They're not going to be miserable. Able to say no when somebody you've never met before they can borrow them easy for me just telling people no yes no tell no my entire life it. No you just because you saw no. I'm not giving you a million dollars because we're we're tight again. another one. What drew brees officially retire shock. There either they did on the same day. We'll you know let's have. Let's have a party post cova for both of them because they've earned i up when we do come. I do want to discuss. And i know we've said this but i wanted to. We haven't really got deep into it. What are you doing with a billion dollars if you win this. I'm telling you now. Would you go to work. I would be here the next day. I'd take a day off at some point to get to austin and get that check privately. But i would be here and i would not quit my job part of the thing about winning that they say stay doing what you do. Stay ranking for the next six months you don't get caught because it's a change. I would come to work every day. Your dollars mega millions. What are you doing with it. Honestly fun well. What are you doing with it. I'd like to hear sports talk. Seven ninety eight. A bill quarterback longtime time french. Very since this. Sean salisbury show sports. Talk seven ninety. It is up to nine hundred seventy million dollars. I know we always. I mean people talk about what they do. I'm really clearing so rich. i can't wait to win it. I'll be back at work monday when i went on friday. Different gleam. i wouldn't be here monday. But i wouldn't. I wouldn't listen. Lawyers just hire one big one and a great financial advisor. Yeah so what would you do with it. I know i mean just for fun. I what we have this conversation once in a while but when it creeps up to this amount. There's gotta be some fun things you do you think about it. I actually went over my head last night. Okay a little bit. If you have any debt he take care of any of your family. Your head is nothing compared to what you're saying. But when i got done with it my head i'm like i still have that much. I don't even know what i mean. It's i did the day. My brother and i always had an agreement. If it got over one hundred million dollars the other person would give the we give each other ten million bucks something. I'm losing ten right there. At least but i'd probably give him if i one nine hundred seven million but i get into what you're going to get the interest you're gonna make on that alone you'll never you'll never touch the principal y- you couldn't spend it all. I'd probably end up giving away about fifty. But we're going to talk about what you'd give away. Let's get to raja raja. What's up by calling him because Sean i i'm real. I realized that there are no canada based nfl teams. But i know you know a ton of athletes a ton of agents. You've talked to him about these things. when athlete goes to canada in basically a united states citizen doesn't ca canada's tax burden. Really cut into a deal like the one that george just got here. Yeah yeah rummy roger. here's what happens then. You also could be possible like if you're a american player playing with the toronto raptors are springer. You still can be subject to your own state tax depending on where you live. That's one but the the federal tax the your subject day there'll be subject to the maximum. It's fifty five fifty three fifty four percent federal that includes the federal and the provincial tax in canada. That's that's what is subject to and you've gotta and the athlete is also expected to self assess file a canadian into income tax return and they're going to withhold fifteen percent of the athletes payments initially. But you can be subject over fifty percent of it depending on how they go about it. But it's like all tax payers and canada if you're a non resident and you're an independent contractor yes you are. Subject to the taxes are through the roof. There's no doubt he's gonna lose a lot of money and that there certain states you're going to lose a lot of money but yes it is Depending on how they do that now. People ask me. We'll do you get paid in american dollars or canadian. Believe it's american dollars taxed You have to pay attacked a possible state tax if you live in the states as well as the provincial federal tax in canada now this year you won't probably do that at least so roger. That's a lot of money momentum. He's taking a financial hit. No doubt we already know. The james harden is taking a like an eighteen million dollar hit yearly on his salary in new york. Well that's the thing. I i've i've seen this happen so many times when an athlete will leave houston doesn't really matter the most your net income if you live in houston if you pick the right suburbs a live in. You're gonna get to keep so much more your money so if you lived in houston and got twenty three million a year you get to keep more money than if you made thirty five million. A year in new york bothers no doubt. And so that also tells you that some guys just wanna leave right. There's some guys just want to leave so in the end you say. Am i actually making more money by leaving. In some cases you're at your absolute. Although the contract looks bigger the tax looks bigger to my friend. You're exactly right. Roger thanks man in their day one more thing. yes sir. Well i really appreciated you kind of pointing out I guess it's kind of hypocrisy. And these fan bases. You know they would say you know. George springer can go to halley's on cheating ask joe but then as soon as he joins their team. You know we love yards. Oh yeah that's roger that's a no brainer. It's a and plus. He's a likable guy. Anyway so even if you think man. I can't stand in the second he walks into your building and say i really love this guy and you will make you an air. Yes yes you will completely forget about any of the controversy that that's that's commonplace steroid user in one building if he comes in. Your building is a football player. Who how can you help us win. Great teammate. I mean not saying people make mistakes but georgia'll win them over in in two days of spring training. They'll forget to him about it. The players will accept him and no at part of the reason is they know that other stuff goes on but georgia's personality. Yeah oh there's a major in the fans at toronto is first home run. He leads off. Hell no georgia lead off the season with the home run in his first at bat. They'll go nuts over him. Don't ever even bring up. What happened in houston with the trash can and the rest of it. There is no doubt. There's a hypocrisy that goes along with good players and success. Absolutely roger thank you. It's he talked me the hypocrisy of it all as you go you look back on the coverage of it and we had a pretty bad thing happened yesterday in baseball where we had the mets gm fired for sending pena's pictures like and then there's been stories out this there's like stores have become an out since that. How stuff like. This is rampant in a problem across baseball with the cultures that are in place and people. Doing things like this to women or media. And i'm like think about all the energy that people spent on brick sign stealing in the crap covers it. People gave to we get a story about this barely. Even talked about yesterday talked about a little bit but that story should get way more coverage are going to penn somebody banging on a trash can right incentives somebody who it's going to be a fastball or curb blowing baseball media baseball in general's got some problems yet drive me nuts and there's no doubt yet if it was your team on the receiving for our teams we would say we would have been pissed too but there comes a point in time you gotta understand the depth of what was going on right. Yeah it's not that a little bit. But i'll tell you what he won't have to deal with it with his teammates. They make they make joke with him. For what one thing you gotta be as thick skinned one of the guys may come in and say he strikes out during that for fun day in spring training. Somebody he knows. Good that say you the trash can to just give you know so. He can smirk and smile and make you know that that happens. You gotta be able to have people joke at your expense and it'd be a bit self deprecating and then move on from it which i believe he will but it won't linger. He plays well. That thing will be won't be talking about it. I think laird orange might have been. I think he went to. It's is it done aidan. More the the bluejays are is that the pirates or the and clear it wherever the hell. The blue jays are somewhere in florida. I think that was the first game that they played in in spring training. He got booed like crazy and he got hit by pitch this past year. Guess what's going to happen now. Odd to be completely different. Yeah and like. I said no one him. He'll homered his first at bat in a regular season. Yeah that would be like him so the yeah the listen. We're all hypocrites when it comes to that if it's at the expense of our team were pissed. If it's part of our team we defend that's just that's it's called human nature. That's that's the guard we put up. And i got news for you saying what you want. Listen he ain't ever get traded here. But cody bellinger came here. I'm just telling you actually root for you. Damn right you would i would. It would be dirty right. But but eventually he goes on a tear to win over when you over. I'm sure mets. I mean yankee fans couldn't stand garrett cole even though he wasn't here during it oh my god. I was in yankee stadium. And they literally. There was a whole this whole state yelling f garrett call f garron now they said we got this workhorse at the front of our rotate. She has no doubt about it. That's the way it works man. We're everybody listen as a society. We're guilty of it. We all can raise your hand to be guilty of right guys just for the next minute or so. We'll go to tyler. We haven't discussed you win the one bill. You're not gonna win the it's just right a billion dollars. Nine hundred seventy million. You win it. What are you doing. what are you doing. Honestly what i'm honestly doing. I would pay off my parents house. I would pay off all my brothers and i five younger brothers. So there's a lot. Yeah we've kind of discussed this a little bit. But now we're up to a billion. Yeah i would pay off all their student loans and i still have a chunk of change leftover. I would move out of my apartment by myself. A house out here instead and even with all the money i still have leftover. I would use a chunk of to go by one of the two cheapest. Nhl franchises and move them to houston one of the now. Would you even have enough money to do. I looked it up according to forbes the arizona. Coyotes only worth two hundred eighty five million only and the florida panthers are only worth two hundred ninety five million see. I don't know about the coyotes in the past. I don't know if this stage. If i'd wanna own a franchise now if i could be a minority owner bless you. I'm trying to think bless you stared use lights. Bless you you up. I don't know hormone refractory for hockey franchise. I don't know how profitable they are. I really don't in certain cities. I'm sure they are. I don't know. I guess i'd probably want to be a have a stake in okay with a billion dollars after taxes. It's not going to be a billion but it's gonna be a lot if i if fight like invested one hundred million into sports franchising was a minority owner. You're like if you're a hundred million dollar investor in an nfl team. You're going to make money. It's going to be a profit every year. So you're gonna make money. And i guess having ownership part of it i don't know what the big i don't know if i want to be involved in that start a business. You don't need a billion dollars to start a business. Obviously we'll come back and discuss this with family. What would you do. I guess what would you do. Just i mean. I know people can say it'd be philanthropic and we all would i hope but i'm not giving it all away. Sorry to tell you. I'm just not giving it all the way. I'm gonna be going to try to help people and the rest of you can only do so. I wanted and powerball. I'm gonna little ria. That's my point is we all wanna be. But there's got to be a sense of. I'm going to do something frivolous right does to do something frivolous yeah the frivolous thing for me would be buying the house and filling it with every game to Ran oh yeah yeah. My would be going on about a two month long golf trip. I top one hundred courses in the world all over the place. What would you do along with. George springer here hundreds of think about all the money. We're looking at spring. You could be a billion dollar winner on friday. I just have. I've gone over my head at some of the things i do and i'm not a big. I'd still be a simple guy. But there's certain things that i'd like to see. I'd rather build my own golf course than own a hockey team. And i'm a diehard hockey fan. Although you could do both with that kind of money like i'm talking about you know you see a golf course design your own course eight by enough property to were. You have your own private course. That would be something at the top of my list. And i have one hundred members and i got to choose the members. Were you know. they're all my buddies. That'd be cool. Have tournaments every year or every day or every two months. maybe. I don't know. I honestly don't know. Would i do with all of it but the trip would be involved but we'll discuss curious. What you guys would do with it. And i the the age old question. I would not quit my job. Would you sports talk seven ninety. Let the celebration start. More sean. salisbury. Sean salisbury show. I would've. Ian rapoport will join us in fifteen minutes. Talking about rivers and breeze and watson Are inside of here from nfl network. Rap sheet on twitter. I and dream apple had mentioned it. Tyler you have the more. I think about my favorite sport persons. We've discussed is hockey. And i've been a hockey fan since back in the days on the buffalo sabres where the french connection line and watching the old school blackhawks and the broad street bullies. I go back a long time. So i'm a alternate hockey during the week. You know on a regular basis let alone on the weekend. So i'm a. I'm a huge fan. I would if put it this one. The billion dollars the nine seventy million nine hundred seventy million and i knew that and somebody came to me like telling for to who was going to buy bring them here and said you wanna be twenty you know fifteen percent ten percent twenty percent. I would have to think about it. Because like i said i don't know how profitable hockey is in all these. I don't now co. But i don't know how profit it is how profitable it is not like the nfl by any stretch. No sport is but it would seem to me released no. Us sport mean soccer nationwide's obviously worldwide is a nationwide but worldwide is a programming. They they print money apparently and they give it away to big players like crazy. So i think owning a hockey franchise would be awesome. Do you have in that stake in. It would be cool because you do have quite frankly you could lose one hundred million and still be fine is my point if you took that risk and i don't know how risky real risky sports ranches aren't real risky these days. That's a pretty good investment. You're going to get your money back. We love sports now. I'm sure they've taken a hit like everybody else. But you're going to make You're going to make some money billion dollars did i. It's yup. I would have to do so i'd be smart with it. Obviously and people say it's a pain in the rear. And we'll i'll take that i can just made a billion dollars generations of wealth and be able to take care of family yet generation after generation. Yeah and then be a little bit frivolous and fun. Why wouldn't you. Why wouldn't you do you have you'd win. That don't do something at least a little bit frivolous to spend it for the hell of it to have foundered by that classic car. You've waited on or the like you said. Take it to take a tour of the top golf course on the planet and drop one hundred grand on a vacation health. Why wouldn't you and and it'd be pretty cool along the way and you think oh. I'm only going home to six hundred million dollars still in the bank. Not a bad gig. Let's get to john john. what's up. got good man. good man. i quick thing travel free. Got when i tell you what i i did. Get a chance on the mets gonna be wanna I'm gonna invest that. I'm gonna go off. Young is crazy. But i'm gonna put some money. And i'm gonna buy me about a dozen cheek fillets you're not crazy. I do the same damn thing. Why will print money. I way i know. I know that i know of a gentleman that down here in my area that owns two of them and partner. You ought to see the place he. He's always rebuilding. Always there. i mean this money like it's going to stop and then i'm going to south tasha's going also to the hill country and i'm about five thousand acres on each ranch. Spit me some breeder deer out there breeder books and print money that way with sit there and sit back and get chill out and just haunt the i do. Those does oil light. Those damn chick-fil-a you're printing money now You print money matters to the printing money but hey real quick y you know. We're gonna hear georges people of houston. Don't hey on man because you do the same. Damn i if somebody came to you and offered you ten thousand dollars more year a company or expensive. So don't hey don't oh. How can he leave usa to be honest with you this. I'm just very biased. I love springer. I wish they'd guests bringing career wall This is my opinion michael. So don't freak out. I'll look. I get the sentimental part of it absolutely. I mean to me it. It comes down to a business. Decision and georgia's thirty one and and carlos twenty six. It's that's that's the driving factor of it all. There's just more years ahead of carreira than there are more premium position than for drew. That's that's why. I think it comes down to the decision making i mean the the blue jays you're taking a risk signing him to. He's thirty seven years old for that kind of money. It just is you get a lot of teams doing that these days right. Yeah the contract. Play out yeah right and then Won't i hope. I haven't been to tell them. But i hope indies listening and it is not somebody there station digging grief. You had the cat with the rally breaking news. Then you got somebody. Yesterday on his show aired the enemy man look man and tell them a coin. Shifter or In wilson don't believe that people even y'all's boy that's getting ready to come up next. Don't don't believe it until you see it. Because the other day he was like oh eddie enemies negotiate and right now and he's going to want this this this this this and now that number the from the rally. There's too many too many sites out there too. Many people blown until it comes across the telecom. Don't don't believe what they see. Man john thanks for will join us. We'll get an update on the coaching. Search to sean watson's happiness or are non No happiness there of and obviously philip rivers and drew brees. Both who have retired. Listen i spoke to was working at. Espn television and go around. Give speeches and i remember. I was about four five hundred nurses convention keynote speaker at an event. And i saved last part. You know they'd have a mike and for questions and i remember. One was mad at athletes for the lack loyalty leaving cities you know then and i thought and i simply put the question back whether they were doctor or nurse and i said let me pose the question back to before i answer your question as to why the loyalty doesn't exist and it goes both ways. It's not just from players to management its management the players as well. I said if you're a doctor or a nurse in your position and your at wherever city in the city we were in. And i said all of a sudden the male clinic or johns hopkins or lenox hill hospital or children's hospital offers you a job to be the chief of that department. You're the head do the the the nurse. If that's what we. I know we call the chief of staff as a doctor. Whoever the boss of in that building that if you would offer you one hundred thousand more to move cities. Yeah you're gonna move. And i don't think anybody out there today. Mad at george springer going to be like we all knew this was come to the astros. Didn't make an effort to keep him because look it's calculated you have to have the the the business baseball the back of your mind. There's a there's a legit chance. They astros as much as they want to right now. There's a better chance that they don't keep career than they do. Because they have limits from the numbers. Tell them where they're gonna go and james click liked. Luneau is very calculated. Yes and he's going to be calculated how they're going to. They're going to spend big. But there is a limit to every single minded closer to korea being a free agent the more his price even if he's not on the field goes up well and if he goes on the field and performs like he did in home. There's no question he could actually be so good. He prices himself out of houston. Yeah okay and i will say that so. I don't think people are mad. There are those that they'll say. What's the difference between two hundred. I'm not saying they offered. What's the difference. One hundred and fifty one hundred sixty million and hundred and thirty. Well i can tell you what the differences thirty million bucks after taxes. What eighteen million twenty million dollars and then there's a big difference between eighteen point nine and one fifty because that's the only thing that astros offered was eighteen point nine qualifying offer a matter of fact. I gotta tell you there was no decision. This was easy it was made for him. Not whether you like it or not by the astros their offer and not want him. This is not a soul that i know any job if you're a construction foreman and you're in houston and somebody in dallas. Says they listen man. I want you to come and run my construction company or my architectural firm. And i'm going to pay you one hundred twenty five thousand dollars. More than you make your. You're moving unless you're independently wealthy and don't need and you're just doing it because you have the job but if you're doing it you're you're working. My son was a chef. Got a good gig. Phoenix suns off from the chef job. And it's a bigger gig with you. Take it he loved new orleans loved battery. He loved living in it. He's in. he's in scottsdale now. We we all would listen the always free agent. We're in this job. I'd like to stay here forever. Mc you're in this job if somebody in boston offers you a job for a half a million dollars more. If you're a free agent you're listening. Of course it's not a knock on anybody. Now it's within a few bucks in your happy course. You may take less to stay similar. i've done it. We'd take less to stay somewhere that you love the bosses and love your coworkers and your living. Yes but when it's when the decisions made for you for twenty grand. You may not leave. If you're the chief of staff at lenox hill hospital and offered children's hospital leave your city where your kids go to school. You may not want to leave. But if it's a blatant offer and it's like they're double the listen sometimes decisions made for you no matter how much you love a job or a city or people you also got family to take care of so i no longer like. I don't get people's wallet. I would have done. Exactly what george springer did. I don't know if it's toronto or somewhere else. I would have left and it would have been no thought it was. I guarantee you. And i didn't haven't talked to george one second. This was an easy decision. It was an easy. yeah. I easy easy to say. He knew it was coming before he knew easy. He would not be playing in. Houston pass this year in rappaport next sports. Talk seven ninety. This is the sean salisbury. Show do sports talk. Seven ninety time for our great segment of the week and our insider rap sheet on twitter. Nfl network insider insider in rappaport joins us on sports. Talk seven ninety i. We're going to get to watson here in a second. But i felt i have zero idea. Supposedly fortunately or unfortunately george springer sign in toronto. So we've we've been able to get away from it for a few minutes. Because people are going to miss george but for i got about one hundred fifty or so hundred and fifty million reasons why i don't blame them but all right wrap the first an ode in a thumbs up to two guys that i felt in the middle of the season. I set it on a couple of shows. It both philip and drew. We're going to walk at the end of this year. One was going to be a coach. One was going to be working at nbc. I don't blame him. One bit to phenomenal careers. One's a guaranteed. I think the other one is is close to guarantees. You can get out in win a super bowl. Just some thoughts on your your feelings on these to walk in. And what does it mean for both franchises and and for them. yeah you know. I would say for me hall of famer for philip rivers. I am not so sure to me. Hall of famers should be like the best at their position. And i was always very good. You always compiled a lot of stats. He always was on some pretty good teams to me. He never was that elite elite guy like he never was the guy who you just trade anything for So i don't know about that. But still i mean he's someone i appreciate a lot. He was always really good to me. He was always really good to everyone he he just you know. He believed in truth. He believed in expressing himself. He was one of the best miked up players ever He was one of the most. Notorious trash talkers i. I'm really gonna miss him. I think he was great for the game. He was a great player I also think it's time because yes you're the last memory of philip rivers is his hail mary. That didn't reach. That usually is a sign that it is time to get to drew. Brees and one second why you believe. It's fair that we put super bowl wins on a quarterback shoulders when we do so for instance there. Then i'm gonna hang on one second though. But i'm going to get to the shawn watson and i understand the burden that goes with that and the elevations players so then we should judge shawn watson when i hear people say well does. Sean is not that good what i disagree with. I think he's other than mahomes. This one guy. You'd build a franchise around for the next seven to ten years. But so when people say well what does shawn can't be a top five quarterback they were foreign twelve. Is that fair team has. His team wasn't good this year but he was great And i would say yes. Shawn watson has not won a super bowl. Yes you wanna bet me to shawn. Watson's never gonna win the super bowl. Bet she's going to win at least one and more than one mvp. I'm on that side. But i right. We put how could we can't in the times like when philip rivers was spanish nominal and somebody like when they receiver fumbles the ball back to the new england patriots and give brady and other chance. How is that. philip rivers. Fault is my point from I know what you're saying And i don't think it's something where it's like. You know like dan marino never wanna super bowl right And he's easily hall of famer. So i don't think it's that i don't think rivers is not a hall of famer because he didn't win the super bowl but i think he would definitely be a hall if he did with one. Okay always pretty good. You think that's the trump right okay. Yeah like is he someone who you trade your roster for like. I never thought but i always did like him personally. What's your thoughts on drew. Brees i believe it's time as well. Oh yeah yeah. I mean and and the saints were saints for stack. I mean they had a great roster they had one of the most talented rosters to me and the nfl great offensive line. Great receivers great running backs awesome front for a really good back enemy. What like honestly. What more could you want. And then you watch their game against the bucks and it's like drew brees couldn't really throw And that's you know. His body was clearly breaking down. And i think this is you know. I think this is what happened. This is what it looks like. It'd be end where you just cannot do it. you know you just can't do it well enough and i think that's okay that he couldn't. I think it is time. I think the saints are going to be better off for it. In your opinion opinion is to shawn watson going to be the starting quarterback for the texans and twenty twenty one. I i really don't know I think there's there's good answers on either side. There's you know. I heard people like john maclean. Who i respect a lot. Say that he's never going to be traded. I would not be in that category because to me. You know when everyone starts calling and that's happening teams have started calling the texas when everyone starts calling then usually the offers if they're even entertaining offers are good enough for you would say like well. Actually maybe this would make sense. 'cause it's not like to shawn watson as untradable like there are deal that would make sense for the texan would just take a lot of capital. I mean a real capital point. There's an offer that you would. You would accept. It's just. I don't know if anybody's gonna get okay. Give me an offer that we would accept. I ask steve pals all who you know from pro football focus and these study a lot of tape and whether you you know have we all have our own rating system at steve comes on and i said four first rounders and sam darnold. He said absolutely not. If i'm the texans absolutely not i mean i it depends what they think of. Sam darnold i mean if you're going to get a quarterback you know you're better be someone who you wanted your starters who's good. Okay sam darnold put one with me. I mean there's garoppolo. Apparently available darnold possibly available matt ryan. Maybe i mean he's older. I'm just on names out there. I mean to to put me a package together that we'd listened to hear i mean i would say i would to me look at this team. If the texans are going to trade to shawn watson mitch again. I don't know If the texas they're going gonna trade shaw and then they're going to be rebuilding. So does it make sense to acquire a jimmy garoppolo at that point or would you rather stay. Like i'll just take the number two pick frog number three pick or the number eight pick with the panthers out or you know what i mean like. Yeah you don't make quarterback right. Yeah you don't have to take a quarterback you can just you know. Take the second best quarterback in the draft right and a lot of other picks for you could say you know what i really need. let's say the panthers i really need a a great running back or your the jets. You say you know what i really need a. I really need denzel mims. I've really promising second round receiver you can. You can figure these trades however you want at some point. Someone's going to be able to offer enough for show. I just don't know you know. I don't someone's going to get yeah. The question is done. We always think we'll four. Picks and quarterback will. It doesn't have to be. It can be there pinakothek the quarterback and grow with them but at as a foreign twelve team you think will we're growing or trying to learn from it anyway so with that in mind just from what you hear and without the no sources needed but you're involved in all this year round it Is there if sean gonna come tell us what he wants out loud essentially. Yeah potentially. i don't see why wouldn't now if you know if he has if he's gonna ask for trade publicly then obviously that changes things right No one has gone public with anything yet. So you know. It's hard to do that as a quarterback because if it doesn't work you have to come back You know if. I mean i would say if he's going to go public with the trade demand then you'd have to think that there's a chance it happens but i don't know You know he has not. He has not been the most out front as far as that kind of stuff. Although in this post season press college. I thought it was pretty enlightening But yeah i mean i. I'm always in favor of transparency. Yup the tomato. That'd be something. Embrace ian rapoport rap sheet on twitter twitter. Nfl network insider ours. Here on the sean. How's show all right. Would eric be enemy. Make it easier in your mind. If he was hired in keeping shawn watson happy and or here not really know. Because i don't think it's been out you know. It's not about eric enemy. I mean yes. I'm sure he's happier whatever that they interviewed him. But this is not a you know if you don't interview eric. The enemy robert solid than i'm dawn. It's really just about the process in general it's not like the show shawn watson doesn't wanna pick the head coach. He just his goal was not you. Better pick a head coach where i agree with it. He's gonna was. I should be involved in the process. And then they told him he'd be involved in the process and then he he learned who. Gm would be on twitter. That was the problem so. I don't think you'd better hire the enemy. I think it's why. Am i not involved in this process of i'm an important member of the organization and that i would say pretty good point would be enemy. Take the job if it was offered to. I mean i would assume he would. What would have lots and lots out would you. Would you take the job if your enemy. If watson doesn't want to be your depends how many draft picks am i gonna get. I'm not gonna get to rebuild this thing. You know stereo got a six year deal. If i'm a head coach mike and the six year deal to right. If so then i'll take all the dry. I mean obviously like. If i'm a a coach i'd rather have shawn watson then right maybe anyone But if not then i'll take all the capital of the then you get your way attached at the hip with gm contract lengthwise. all right. Next question is even though. They say he's going to be here. Is there any chance it gets to a point. Where does shawn it's desha. It's jacker me. A meaning to shawn watson or jack easterby. We'll jack easterby being the same position when we start the twenty twenty one season at this point. I believe he will. I have not heard any suggestion that he won't be so it would be just speculating to say that he won't be. I mean it's all the public comments from owner. You know count mcnair and others have been. He's going to be a valuable member of the organization You know if to. Sean said it's him or me. What would they do Again it would depend on what people were offering you in a trait I have not heard any suggestion that that he's not gonna be there and finally i'll leave it on this have you. Is there any inside to knowing to knowing who may be the leading candidate or who they feel is interviewed. The best here i. I don't do that. i don't do the interview. The best game. It's never real bad. You know like if i if i get information on someone's sprained ankle say like you know there's a pretty good chance that the information is accurate in real absolutely. Everyone has a motive and the problem is like. Let's say. I report that eric. Be enemy interviewed. Great is houston but then he doesn't get the job right well. How good is my source. Actually because it'd be interviewed so great to get it so I you know. I know they liked leslie. Frazier a lot coming into the process I know therapy enemy interview was real legitimate. It wasn't something to appease. Sean was legit I you know we'll see. They ended up hiring. Man's two jobs left right if you don't count the university if you don't county tennessee. That's right a great stuff. We just don't hand out cash in college in mcdonalds bags and everybody will be okay for the college Great colorado you and me both brother. I appreciate you. We'll talk next week. Man have a great one. And maybe we'll have some inside information or some more story to talk next week brother. We appreciate you. Thanks pick ax you to. That's in rappaport rap sheet on twitter. We'll come back. Come back and discuss this shawn watson. Talk right here. On the sean salisbury. Show this sean salisbury show continues now you know. I ask the wrap for one of these questions on purpose to kind of get an idea of what they may know and he does a great job and we always appreciate it and look the bottom line. Is nobody really knows what's going to happen until it happens. We've said that a million times speculation that these insiders do stuff. We all have sources. We talked to on certain things. I talked to a guy who that i have refrained from saying. I won't won't put it out there. Who's knows him. Well and i just asked simply said we can't afford to lose him here he goes. I think he'll be playing for another team. Next year. sucks man. i'm. I'm at that point to where i think i mean not knowing any inside knowledge but just thinking that he's not playing here anymore. I trust this person i do. I trust this person now. It may be just opinion down in banter back and forth. But i trust because i know that they talk now. Does that mean that the shot. It could be just him saying that. That's how he feels. I didn't delve into it. Because gut wrenched when when when he said it right but his thought was be playing for another team and that should never be thing right. But it is and it's real and it's even with it being real. It should still never be a thing. Of course nick. Caserio should shake both sides and say you're under contract. I'm not trading you. You're playing for the houston. Texans if you want to sit out good luck and you're also should go kalmyk. Darren say i'm here six years already. Got me on a contract. I'm not trading him. Yeah and guess what. Guess what yeah you. Don't let franchise. Quarterbacks will need to go say sorry and beg and plead. There's you know there's a reason. I position my question free in report. This way. when i said will shawn watson come public with what he wants. When he said that he likes transparency all do meaning no cryptic tweets. And all that stuff. Right when i asked when i asked that question of will he come public. I didn't ask if he'd come request trade. I said well he come public. Maybe comes home. Because i don't wanna trade deal so my question was i left it open for and did you know what he and said he said well it becomes public and he goes well probably eventually and it becomes public and asks for trade that it could be different so maybe these guys know that if he does come public they know what the content of that public talk is going to be here right. So there's a reason. I want if he said well it becomes public and says i don't want to trade. That would've told us that may be i. I think that they got some inside information. Says he really. This is all chatter. but i don't think it's chatter. There's too much smoke. there's too much smoke for it to be. There's too much smoke too. Many likes on other people's jerseys into yeah i got. He wants out brain. It's obvious yeah. I've got a message whether we let it whether we don't want him to go. I got a message from a guy sitting in washington dc today on their shows. They're already talking about the packers. They're putting together on watching. That's the these teams pakistan carolina. Those teams good. He has to say yes to your team because says they did. What most cards there. That and that's yeah no trade clause. It's part of the reason. Why trade play right. Because he can't because he dictates mark. I'm like well you can trade him. You just did already. He's already limiting my ability to get full return for him. So i could. They screwed up and then they gave it to him. Yeah and it's on the agents. Not we'll see if the players get this going forward. But if i'm nick caserio i mean i'm sitting here begging nick caserio. As mi michael connor do not entertain any trades. Four two sean. Don't it's stupid you're committing career suicide in terms of trust here in the city of houston. I don't care what kind of bounty again return He's not worth training. I would rather hear that. Nick caserio and mcnair odds than i would that nick caserio i would love catered to kalmyk. Narron said yep wouldn't love nicosia forever. Nicosia so smart and far more educated on football operations then knowing how that listen who knows when bella checks getting back as good as he is without that guy aspirants. He's had that guy twice right. No i take that back. He didn't go to the super bowl with him. Can win hut. Did with kurt warner correct. Yeah he had carson. Afc championship game. So as a head coach the head coach he. That's right but as a head coach in tampa all those years. You bring brady and look out. The cultures just changed to shawn watson a culture and franchise changing quarterback. We'll discuss when we come back. But i nick caserio knows how important the quarterback is he's got. He's got a battle cal. This if i don't cal thinks about it but if cows even entertaining it you might have to choke this out of it man. I don't mean literally you get my point. Sportstalk seventy hour number four. It's rolled along. 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We're going to get that news to one way or the other. yeah shortly. The deshaun watson news. There is no news other than people are talking about it. Philip rivers drew brees of both retired on the same day and both it was time for both both of add lustiest careers drew brees obviously the better career super bowl champion and how he did it to with hurricane katrina nothing short of a changing city and rebuilding and they needed at the time although life is bigger than a super bowl. It sure as hell helped. He's been a mount rushmore numbers guy and nothing but classes entire career good luck. He'll be graded nbc. And it'll be nice that he gets to you know after forty two years old in a long career phenomenal. Philip rivers didn't get a super bowl. Put up numbers any in rapport. Doesn't so i think philip rivers will be a hall of famer not a first ballot. I think at some point. I'll tell you what's going to win over and don't don't don't you dare loves them. That's exactly right. If you don't think philip rivers put a fame numbers and you can because and adia won a super bowl. He's a no brainer with the number. So you put right. We do put wins laws. Yes we put that on the quarterback. Now the reason marino's in dan was just so frigging good and so guardian numbers that you had to put him in and he deserved it. He's one of the best other than rogers. The best beer throw the football. I've ever seen and joe nemeth although not in their category when it comes to hall of fame quarterback joe is in the hall of fame. Joe was one of the best until them. He was the best pure thrower of the football. I've ever seen so the marino but but rivers godley numbers. A super bowl guarantees him. He's i think he's getting in. And i think minus the super bowl. People love him ultra competitor. He is one of those miked up. Guess what he's put it. Let's not discount by calling him the fact that he's a good dude discount. How good he wasn't an tuffy was as a football player. What he meant to the chargers franchise. I got news for you. Having grown up in that town i mean. There's dan fouts. There's junior sale. And there's philip rivers and ladainian tomlinson. It's those four. When it comes to football then you had. Don coryell belong to that group and then john jefferson and chuck muncie and all lewis culture and all the great players but philip rivers is one of those cats right and i think he's gonna won't be a first ballot but i think eventually will get an and it's going gonna come down to the fact that if you're teetering at the end you're going to say love the guy and it's going to help because don't kid yourself feelings. Do come into this whether you want to or not. I believe philip rivers will be in a mustard colored jacket one day and a hell of a career and the colts now are in search of the saints are in search of a lot of teams in search of hints. Why there's a lot of talk then. There's going to be five six seven rounders for a quarterback taking the first round. Hell they got trae lance in the top ten now wilson fields lawrence and the list goes on and on. I mean they're everywhere you look. There's a and why you wanna talk about the deepest group in the draft was wide receiver. You go up and down. There's like eight wide receivers being taken in the first round at least in a mock draft talking about their phenomenal all over the board. There's great player. So with this shawn watson situation and and what he and wrapped ports talking about and going okay in washington. I got the message. They're talking on. He couldn't call call. The show. said i'm at work. I can't but they're talking montas sweat. Who's a really good. They love him in the front. Seven is a really good player in washington. Football team and draft picks. I said the better be mont sweat and for for strategy. I'm not listening to you. Yeah so the band is gonna start all aside from retirement and draft right now to trevor lord stock the hottest topic in football not name. The playoffs in the country is the sean watson's where he's going or where he stand around the country and it's going to continue to be that way until he defuses it it gets diffused or it comes out and then they see her. I'm not coming back. And here's the one thing that when you do come out and say i want traded. I do not want to be a houston texan thanks shift. And here's why and ian rapoport hit on it briefly if they don't trade you you don't get what you want. You have to come back. It's fractured big time. Not that he won't play well. I don't mean that but now your teammates. Although teammates usually rally towards the player usually especially a guy of deshaun watson stature and status and leadership in the way people feel about him as a player but it starts to get fractured. Now if listen if you're if you are going to get rid of deshaun watson and trade him for a whole. If then i would suggest that. Mercilus watt i. If you're going to do it then you'd better go all in on rebuilding if you're gonna if you say. We got casero him for six years. We're just cleaning house. I don't want to do that then. you've got to let it. Then you gotta let it rip than the johnsons are gone. Will fuller's gone. Jj watts probably traded. Hopefully if he does to somewhere he'd like to go. Maybe to pittsburgh brothers are obviously we know kidding out. You'd have to check a couple of corn out. Even some of the you'd you'd start at and you're saying watson's out you're gonna draft zach wilson in the first round and then you'd better understand that you're gonna go into the season in a chase mode and that you are rebuilding to me once you tell me you're getting ready to shawn watson you've already told me you're not committed to win and right away and quite frankly you may not be committed anything now. I know caserio wants to win. We know that he's been around. He's used to it. But how much. Excuse me how much voice he has. When it comes to count mcnair of convincing him that winning's more important than rian rebuilding. We got a guy already. We can win with at quarterback. We got to put some people around him because you can turn it around and the snap of a finger in the nfl. But if you've tried to shawn watson i it's it's it's an nick. Caserio would get lumped into this. You are flat out telling me that you after signing him. The money and winning the money matters too much and winning is not important at least right. Now you're you're you're not interested in winning. It would be the biggest black. The franchises ever had yeah and that's even more be commitment. It show your commitment to being stupid. Think about this if you traded. Jj watt let's just say for a fourth writer for the helmet or a third rounder dear realize that it would be far less after all. He's done here and as good as he's been on the field and as good as he's been in this community hell good a player as is these twice the difference maker in the community that saints up for a first ballot famer. Do you realize that. The uproar people would be bothered but if you quizzed him say jay walk for a fourth. It'd be water watson who's gotta go not a soul saint keep. Jj maybe somebody is. I'm not saying it has to be one of the other but you get my point. Of how important. Watson is to the team and to this franchise and i think to the city but when does it get to a point if he comes out and says i don't wanna be here. Do you want him. Here's my question that that's what i know when people call. That's what i'd like to know. Let's say there are speculation from people we trust and know that they're saying at some point he's going to come out and say he wants to be traded. I'm on the shawn watson side. I am but i know how we feel about him as a player and a human being in this town how important he is but if he comes out and somebody interviews him and he goes on one of these shows and it looks into that. Cameron says to dan. Patrick i wanted to be trade. I do not want to be in houston. How will you feel then. Do you still want to keep him or do you say let it go. Let me. I want to know how you feel. Do you feel betrayed if he does that. After the i'd like to know. I really wanna know length. Good good for sean. Because we all say good for sean. Getting away from jack easterby and cal but do you really deep down saying good. You are losing our best player and one of the best of the world. So i'd like know if he comes out and says. I want out in looks into that camera national televised show and says it do you. How do you feel then show up. Let me hear ya seven one. Three two one two five seven ninety coming back. The sean salisbury. Show continue at question and myself. We cover all the bases with the shawn watson. What about this. Because there's a very real chance that he from people that are in the know and listen. I don't believe i. As i said i'm exhausted by the conversation but it is a topic across the country and they're talk. They're talking about the shawn watson in dc in carolina and other places. And i must get five requests today. That want to talk about this and other cities. And i'm exhausted by it. And i know we all are because i'm a big believer in glass half full and until i hear come out of his mouth that he wants out. I even regardless of the gradient site these insiders who have great great sources. I still got to hear it from him or until it happens. Then then we can comment on what happens after it happens but in the recent days and hearing that this is this is very real and that people that you trust or saying. You're not going to be here. Doubt he's going to be here gonna be on another team or he's gonna he's going to publicly ask for a trade to get out so if that does happen. We really hit this. What are your feelings on the sean. If he gets in looks in cameron says not under sean human. I don't mean that. I'm how your thoughts about him being there. Do you still want him. if he's out. I don't wanna play there anymore. Damage is done. i'm gone. how will you feel. then manuel. I doing man how you doing sean. I appreciate you for your time. Man that i just wanna tell you that I would not be mad. One beta shawn watson. I'd be so mad at the organization. But i would not be mad on the best way that i could send us up in an analogy is if i had if i had a mutual if i had to mutual friends and they were married And one of them was doing wrong by the other and one decided to leave. How could i be mad at the one that decided to leave. I would clearly side with the one. That was doing the right thing right now. That's all i have to say with that really. I mean i listen But appreciate your call man. Well that's pretty pretty basic and truth and and he's right and we wouldn't. Hey we all have had. I think friends that you're friends with both. They get divorced side with will hopefully the one. That's doing ryan. Although you don't begrudge the person. I mean if somebody was doing wrong. You're not going to be the person who you know judges them. That's their own personal life. But you're right you say will. I can't be mad at the person who's live right and decided to leave. Meeting in this case is wanted to be. You're just asking for honesty and the other ones are being honest. Why would you be mad. That's a great point. I get that so there's one that you know. I think we probably bummed that shawn watson left. Yeah we'd be. I mean what you're saying. I change on how you would you feelings. Change wanting to trade him if he flat out said know. I don't wanna keep them from this. Because i don't wanna live in. A world with shawn wants out the quarterback of the houston texans. Because again i've watched the existence of this franchise go from david. Carr to match match had some years but still completely different thing to ryan fitzpatrick and brian. Hoyer and tom savage ryan mallett and all that crap to finally get this level of talent. I want nothing to do with him. Not being here especially when he has well just taken that late to where you're like. Oh oh he's got this in the bag what he's only going to get better. He's twenty five years old. It doesn't matter if he wants out or not. I want nothing to do with it right. But i don't blame him for wanting out because the texans organization is crappy blaming him one bit but i am adamant against not trading him a grant high with the gm i bat. I would do everything i could. Even if he came out publicly to say. Can we fix. Says i come out. I come l. mouth and say i'm not trading and i'd exhaust every option but if it got to a point where i knew behind closed doors. We sit down and he looked at me says listen you can do whatever you want. I appreciate you i just did. I can't go there and half asses effort as a quarterback. He can't do a hard never. It's not that easy. And he never will be if he wanted to go. Yeah good luck get himself hurt gotta do that block play right to you get to the point where you try to keep them here then you get to point where we'd be adamant about do we can't trade you your valuable then you might get to the point where you say well now. I'm going to draw a line and sandy trade. You but if other franchises knew that you know they'll barrage a phone calls to the texans right so there comes a point time when wendy you shift your paradigm and say i want him. I refuse to trade him but now somebody's often four ones and two starters and a second round pick and the two starters are going to impact my team and they're a bad team so the four ones could be very real. Then you gotta start to say okay. At what point in time. Do you cross the line of ibm idiot not to do it. I'd say you'd be an idiot to do it right now. But what do you get to the point of your nick caserio and your tight you say. Okay and the new coach. Let's say the enemy and watson's still doesn't want to be here and says and he comes to you and says listen. I want to hear but enough we got to. We got to move on. We've got to get players then. Don't you at some point. Gotta say he doesn't wanna be. I've exhausted every single avenue to appease him higher who wanted aside from getting rid of the owner dan. that's maybe not be jackie's to the man of god that he is he'd step aside but god that he says he is. The man of god who likes his position wants to get okay but it. There comes a point when the coach comes into fee. Says i've done everything. I can to make sean wannabe here. But he doesn't then there. There does come a point where we all say. No we now know. Even i say it that i would battle battle battle battle. You get the said okay. I'm just gonna make him hold out trading next year for more value. I just will in the team that we're on since he holds out is gonna finish worse. So we're gonna hire pick and we are the draft exercise going to wait out. There is that but if you point you're impatient head coach you say listen. I love this guy. He's not to shawn watson but maybe he can become close. Then maybe listen. I just wonder where the breaking point is. We know where the breaking point is for the sean. I think he's at it. Where's the breaking point for the texans and their new coach when he comes in an nick. Caserio i really don't care when when when if sean was here like i said before sean eric cereal. I don't really pay attention to what the owner says. Now i know you say you do but really in private meetings with those guys in mornings. It's just white noise in and out the don't pay attention this. I mean because like listen. Don't worry about him. We'll we'll we'll take care of this thing like you do in the locker room so you may not like the culture decisions. We're going to overcome this man. Let's be respectful. But we're gonna take care of it in this locker room anyway. So dramatic goes on out general manager and hill beans right. Now we're gonna we're gonna take care of it here. It's the same thing with the head coach. And the general manager and the coach and the quarterback san cows removed from this anyway. Don't don't pay attention that once. They're all in the building. The key is can you keep watson in the building wally. What's up man. How you doing while you're on the air what's up sorry man I just wanna to say this. I Everybody looks at a certain way because reserved when he's new at this but i new being the owner being the one that takes rains but the guy has been with at that mr mcnair side from the very beginning. He's been instrumental at bringing football back to houston. He looks like he doesn't care the but why is he gonna pass for everything else for limbering and football back in two thousand and two talk. Well we pass then. Okay no no. That's what i was going to say. This is all say. I was gonna say he He obviously cares about this team. I mean there's no he's every game he's been at every game since day one. I think he's a little too trustworthy. He got rid of Be for reason and i. I was surprised that he got real a biddle bill. O'brien he he's not gonna continue down this road with easter bees not untouchable in. He may look like he's not a hands on owner. He is he's just a little quite he's new this. He's he doesn't like the spotlight and i'm not a fan of any jim amount of fan of any owner. I get all has to do with the head coach. And i think him leading want him. Listen to or be in the interview. That's a good sign. Why don't we have to worry about easter easter. It's only a matter of time that he is going to disappear. So i think we just need to chill out in wait till the show on Snakes is leaving. i hope you're right. And i'm with you. Thanks for the call. I we all listen. There's a part us to that. Says that our emotions don't want him to lead. Yeah there's no doubt. I can tell you this too is if i was sean situation is disgruntled as i might be. I think i would like to wait until i talked to nick. And the head coach before even came publican request. Wait till you figure out what they're all about before you request a trade. Now here's what it tells me. If the sean war to come out and say i want to be traded before the head coach was hired and before he's at a sit down. Come to jesus. With nick caserio about the franchise and what the direction is. Then you gotta know. He wants out. It won't matter when he when he answered. Only i even said well eric the enemy will it matter if be enemies. Here does that matter. And he didn't take so he didn't think that was part of the shots and he went back to the fact that he was told one thing and the franchise did another right. Didn't follow through on their commitment to keeping him in the loop all right so if that's the case if the sean comes out before the coach hired then that'll tell you he does not want to be here does not want to be out at all. And then you're now you're now you've got some hard decisions to make and i would hope that he would least sit down with nick and and hope if it's the enemy and say they map out a plan if to sean comes out of that meeting and says he still doesn't wanna be here then then then we know but the key is for the shot. I think that if he loves it here or wants to be here then even at least wait to see what the head coach general manager which is really the the leadership. He's going to answer to those two guys that the that let them make the decision if i was if i was mentoring him or was his agent or or a friend. I'd say why don't you wait out here at nicosia and he's gonna make decision. Yeah but i'll try to say if you want. Unless he said. I'm not calling back i could care less who it is. There's no way but if he was sitting on the fence at least wait till that. Because maybe they head coaches the guy you love and have changed the culture in a lot of different ways in the building and nicosia will too. I think that's something to shawn. Watson is going to have to answer but the thought of not having him. Here i think is after losing a another athlete george springer to free agency. That thought of him being out of here is one that you don't have to lose. That's what's so specially. Normally you lose guys. You don't have control of it. Yeah you'd think you'd have control of it. Now they're right sportstalk. Seventy shot sows reshow. Men's clinic less than guys. 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They're going to quit the team for the most part at least good wall dino that when you go into other cities or on other shows biondi you the suggestion of what they trade for shawn watson is nowhere near what you think. You're going to get now. You may still get it if you're smart but i i. I don't know how you you're not going to get the value because a quarterback coming returns not the guy. Yeah if you just not montez sweat in washington and a bunch of picks you need a guy get to the quarterback washington needs a quarterback but though it doesn't matter who it is the disrupt around defense is not as important as the quarterback on the offense. It's just proven it did it just is you can have a disruptor on defense which is great. If you've got a good quarterback or a great team the that's awesome to have he'd be in my top two or three guys. I'd like to have Look how important receiver position become you know in the death of offense and because we have quarterb we we. We are an offensive league. All these receivers are going to be taken. The first look a lot of times in order to draft a guy in the top three picks like devante smith or chase it. Lsu i mean you gotta talk about a guy that you expect to be a hall of famer. That's good that guy's got be but even this quarterback you're just gonna draft. I mean people i said. Raise your hand. How many of you have seen trae lamps throw a football. I have most hathen draft. Boards is going to be in the six seven slaught- he's all he loved him. Guy played one game this year. One game one game and last year was twenty eight touchdowns i think against nope. Nope knicks. yeah. He's a big athletic dakota. Yes and he can rip it and he's accurate and somebody's gonna take them high in the first round having seen one game this year. So it's important to can when you have that guy that they're looking for the hell what i trade him. I mean i go through this every day and it becomes groundhog day. In the conversation we try to hit it from every single angle. I gotta believe other executives and coaches are sitting in their office saint. There's no way. We're getting watson we don't have enough to get him or they're saying the due to run that operation at the top and i'll meet nick caserio but above him. Yeah we can get to shawn watson. They're crazy enough to trade him down. I wonder where people sit on that. That side i think so too. There's probably at least how many teams in minimum fifteen or foaming at the mouth hoping to get an illness. Now fans outside this town about shawn watson or what the value of this position as a quarterback or delusional frigging delusional. Not all of them but but summer delusional when you say to a first round pick and a second round pick just shut up. Stop it three. Two aren't worth watson right now. Three to us yes. He was the first pick in fifth rounder. Their first pick last year. But you better. You better come up with some far greater than that. It's not enough. It's not enough for me. I don't know if it's enough for count. Mcnair and i don't know where jack easter becomes in play as far as making these decisions. I no idea. He clearly has influenced because they've gotten to this point. Nick caserio you just take the job no matter what because the six year deal on your paints rimac and five million five million six million bucks a year. how's it. how can you said money talks right so money. Talk to the general manager. Wanted to talk to the head coach. Help so and i asked would be enemy. Take the job because we. I mean if you're giving me assets and we're rebuilding. Sure if you give me a lot in return i guess because right now you're taking the job. No you're not getting assets. But you have the shawn watson because well you don't have any draft picks and the flipflop is if you don't have to shawn watson you better have a hall a bunch of first rounders you can have a fun draft in two thousand twenty one and beyond right so that's the case and i know that if it does. It's tired exhausting to discuss. And i think some people don't want to hear about it and discuss it because the reality is going to hit him in the face. Yes that's the problem. It's going to suck mightily when it happens. You know when you had a three day you're on like three or four days vaca- you know like a holiday or you get the friday. I'll be back right thursday after work. You like sweet sunday at about six o'clock in the evening you know what i mean catching need stuff you do. Yeah it's this you know it's common now. I don't know if it's come with watson but you got it feels like it's coming right. At least the suggestion is the the suggests that he wants already been there if we see him get on tv and say he wants out. We're in for one hell of a next couple months dude. I'm just telling you at every single day. It's going to be tough because they're going to be another well. Indianapolis offered this well The a team with a quarterback is willing to part with this. Then you start to wonder will a good team. That has like okay. Let me just for fun. The for fun Let's let's have a little fun here. What are the cincinnati bengals. Cincinnati bengals or the cleveland browns call and ship their quarterback here for the shawn watson. Would they do that. Both of those two. Yeah in a heartbeat. I mean i say that now see. That's my point. You start to really may be with him coming off an injury. I think they would with mayfield. Yeah they do it in harvey wouldn't even think about it. Not even thank. Yeah because how many years in the legacy is this is the same as darnold four. So he's got the decision coming up on him and they're going to pay him more than he's probably worth for the they would do it in a frigging millisecond as much as i like baker mayfield. Deshaun watson is a better player talented. They have joe burrow. you'd consider. He's a local kid the rest of it. But if you really said who's the better player but he's got four years deal with the the difference between borough can who think four five years for now boroughs going to be a star in this league if not sooner he already showed tough player and thing is they're literally just like less than a year apart. Right right yeah so with that okay. So you start. I'm not just looking at teams. Don't have a quarterback or have a young quarterback they'd ship. I'm looking teams. That have a successful quarterback but not the franchise changer all right. So who else is that. Bridgewater you dishonor. Bridgewater in two seconds flat rob lowe two seconds flat. Hell i would trade. If you're sean mcvay. And they said three number ones a starting defensive player on the leonard floyd right play mean him and number two and jared goff for the shortage second. I think so too i. There's even the stories. Now that golf mcvay need to go to marriage counseling o so that starts to now apparently a real thing so they're not getting along. Okay so you have that you say okay for What about carson. Winston three number ones and number twos for watching philly village on a second. I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Jalen hurts you. We draft a second. Don't we want to see to hurts development. Probably but if you can get watson hurts development would have to wait. Yeah all right so you start to being obviously san francisco. Seattle wouldn't do it airs. Oughta wouldn't do now. washington would do it. The giants would do it. The dallas cowboys. They'd probably would do it to be honest with your salary is going to be the same as much. I think the have better player right. And then the philadelphia eagles will do it heartbeat to if they could get him. He started the vikings. No no brainer. The bears no brainer no-brainer. Everybody boos stafford would be an interesting one. Because you're getting a veteran player. Who's making a of money. Who can still play. But he's not better than to sean yet you'd have to send me stafford and former number one pick and three first rounders anyway. We'll finish this. I'm just going through. How are you going to convince count. I mean how are you going to get equal value for the guy. Unless you're offering me something that would make your franchise hurt your franchise has to suffer. Because you're giving away so much to get watson to make this deal legitimate for the texans sportstalk seven. Ninety hindsight is twenty twenty and we used a lot of that this year and in sports. We won't be using it. What would we have done if sean wasn't here. Yeah well hopefully. We don't have to visit that. It was a brutal year lot. 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Yes that's exactly right and that would mean if you're shawn watson you're going back to a team that you're not gonna win with even no matter. How look how good he was this year. Damian i mean epoch. Good epic good. They four and twelve you. You are see. That's another thing when we talk about how he will to shawn watson. Everybody would want him right. But are you willing to rebuild your entire team because you're going to have to gut it and be willing to go through. Maybe two years of guilt ask kick. And if you're shawn watson you want to go to the jets as good as he is. The jets are not going with their current roster and happened to give up all that all those assets. You're not going twelve and four next year. I know how good robert sala is damian. Great point i. i'm with him one hundred percent. That's the other part of this doesn't get discuss enough nothing damian. You hit the nail on the head to perfection to perfection. Not only that. The texans gutting their getting rid of their star quarterback and have to build with a new quarterback and players in assets. But it's the other team saying we just gave up four first round picks in two stars to get the quarterback. We've gotta redo this thing again because most more often than not the teams that are good are not going to be in the watson sweepstakes or in the division so now. You've eliminated jacksonville. Tennessee indianapolis and then the teams about the six best quarterbacks and so now there's let's say ten to twelve teams. That are out not that. They wouldn't want him but cincinnati's out. They got him under a rookie. You'd get my point. Let's say it doesn't teams out. Then you say okay. Now we're starting to the mid. Now the pittsburgh steelers an interesting one okay. Would we take the been situations going to be about his future. But pittsburgh steelers. Would you be willing. That's a team that if you gave up a couple starters and two or three first round picks and if they decided to take you ship watson got four or five draft picks to starters. Would you say okay. Could pittsburgh recover quicker. Maybe maybe but do they wanna give a big hall. Because they're probably a better. Been playing like ben away from. They'd love to have watson because then you got a quarterback success for the next decade twelve years. I get it but damon one hundred percent. That's one thing we don't look at enough is if you're sean and you're going to a bad team. Although with the no trade clause he can kind of that. Say i'm not going to the jets. Man i go to play for a team. That's gonna lose like we did here. I'm either going to one or two or three. These teams rhyme out. I don't wanna be trade. So that puts him in a bind because he's limited that because then you'll know if approved going to a team that isn't going to win that he's going to be stuck more than likely in a similar situation. He is here. Because you'd have to cut your roster to get him. It's a great point now. Some teams are already gutted. So they're willing to go back and say we're trying to find that guy. And we're going to go get watson damian excellent point. I'm with them on that. So you guys. He's right about that. Then it goes to what we see. John wants to go somewhere else and not win for three more years because well they gave up to get him that he has to keep in mind with his no trade clause and with if he wants out right. Yeah hold things are just a the we keep saying that we keep saying and every single day but it's just mind blowing that it continue changes daily to. Yeah absolutely you're absolutely right about that is just. It's crazy. how quickly it changes sometimes even being story. So there's another kirk tweet that part of it. I'm i'm with so many people i would like to sue the amount of to see the tweet game. Come to an end i. It's silly i get that. He does it for the standpoint of of saying things about saying things and he also knows exactly what he's doing. he is trolling. Which is you know if that's what he wants to do. Fine whatever i think. It's winter stupid in my opinion and it's always going to be stupid that the truth is that's my only complaint about him i don't have i think he's a fabulous person fantastic in the community. Great football player great teammate. Great leader winner even though they didn't win this year. He's a great everything you want. That's the guy you want. If i had one that if i was if he if he trusted in you and said hey what do you think i should do. I'd say stop the cryptic tweeting. Stop it. You're adding the truth. Is he's august yeah. He's total gasoline on on purpose. It's calculated he because to tell you without telling you again that he wants to be trade. I can promise you. That's a guarantee that that's that that's on. That's a little bit any smirking. wally say. Then of course there is. He knows what he knows what he a smart dude now. Yeah he knows what he's doing. So if i listen if that's the only complaint i got about the shawn watson than than life's good. We should be grateful right if that's all were complaining about about the sean. The problem is the crypt tweets for some. It just gets tired. It'll beat you down. It wears and it's happening when we say i mean every day you know it's another cryptic tweet. I know that the music in that but you know. He's smirking lyrics. That have things that are connected to whatever reason. We're not stupid that bugs me. Yeah but that's the only thing about in the bugs me not anti bug me that bad. It's just a little. it's a little irritant right. Yeah the you don't the truth is you. Don't need to pour the gasoline on this fire. No because you He's so beloved that he's a great player but that's the worst thing about him. Okay but i just wish that would kind of go away. But they've kind of toying with their emotions too but this is a great player we gotta keep no doubt about it if we want to build something special because he is special for mc and heavy t. I'm shawn up next. This is the we don't ever ever take you for granted we appreciate your passion and insight you guys make the show Even better for us. And we're grateful. I promise you that In the trenches. Chris gordy andy. Kalou big sergeant today. Do we know maybe big chart. I don't know. But i know it's chris and andy father thomas show with ross and then the team. This afternoon you stay right here. No reason to go anywhere inauguration day. A lot of talk about george springer. I'm sure as well as shawn watson. We'll see in twenty hours. Be safe out there. Sean salisbury show.

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