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An EPIC Episode | Steve Isaacs

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An EPIC Episode | Steve Isaacs

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I just hope when I grow up I can be as good at anything as you seem to be at her stuff. I'm not quite that good yet but man but but today was a good run this morning. It's such a difficult game and I talked about it before on here because everybody that's playing it at that higher level. Everybody's really good. So yeah you can really easily make one mental mistake and lose you can also just get really unlucky and then lose or a combination of those things in the opposite way can also happen to it. So it's a game super ups and downs. Actually a reminded to be Mike. I didn't even think about this as far as talking about it but we might as well. Did you see that tweet that somebody tagged a few of US in And it was about Ninja at the company one. Yeah Okay Anyway. Ninja everybody posts. Ninjas East Sports Gamer and that's the reason why being Mike Tone. But anyway he's one of the best in the world that he's We've talked about him on here because he was on the cover of ESPN the magazine. Anyway he posted this week a kind of semi inspirational semi something to talk about type of tweet. Basically saying that if you come into a batch so this could be a game or a sport or whatever might be and you already come in with the attitude that it's just the game that you already halfway lost. You're already halfway tours. Losing and I. I thought a couple of different things about that one I was like. This is the exact same competitiveness as like a. Michael Jordan did not event where this are Kobe Bryant. I have the tweet read the tweet. Read the tweet. I found it here the phrase. It's just a game is such a week mindset. You are okay with what happened losing imperfection of a craft when you stop getting angry after losing. You've lost twice. There's always something to learn and always room for improvement. Never settle. Yeah so a lot of different things about the number wars someone going on and made me think it may be really again. We talked about this. That not only is east sports becoming the same the same popularity list call it as athletics at the professional level totally but the people participating in those things so example. Then Joe who is a professional east sports Athletes he also has the same type of characteristics as these super competitive athletes as I've described Michael Jordan. Whoever alter my beat and then below edits I don't know if you saw but there's a guy who plays hardstone at his name is Brian Keebler and he's played hostile for. I think since the beginning when it barely came around or whatever might be at. He's plant magic the gathering a couple of other different types of games it. He's really really good but more than anything. He's really entertaining and he's super well-known for not getting upset after losing he's he's the anti You know throwing your controller and throwing a fit. You can go raging kind of that type of thing. Do you want me to read his tweet. Yeah retailers came. I feel like the strive for excellence? Sentiment here is good but one of the most important things for people to get good at when they play games. Competitively is losing. Yes because they're going to do it a lot. You can strive for excellence without getting angry when you lose so you know. What's so awesome about this Both of them are heart. Are Sorry are gamers that our professionals they both make a living off of this and they both are brand keebler? Know for sure is in his mid to late thirties and he's got a family and he does really well. Then John is one of the highest payed East sports athletes ever. You know Edits there's actually these discussions going on these discussions than can carry could be carried forward and ED had at the high school level at the middle school level. And we could start having these exact same types of things that you would see only athletics previously. So I love that. I love that there's a conversation about it. I don't even care about the sentiment of whatever had because there's there's value of both of their comments. How you in both comments yes. There's value in both and really what it does more than anything else as solidifies. East sports as something that number one ultracompetitive. It's very tough to win and get good at but it's also a lot of subtleties there of like. How do we actually conduct ourselves in gaming in competition I love? I love the life lesson and Brian's tweet because one of the things that I always when I do PD especially minecraft PD. But when I when we talk about East Sports Anna Boat Especially when I get into those talks about kids who say they WANNA be youtubers or streamers and encouraging teachers not to discourage those desires. I always remind them the teachers to remind students that streaming is hard work And that it's not easy and that none of these people that are famous that they thought that their kids watch on TV. Got It you know for free or for nothing I. It's it's taken tons and tons of effort and tons and tons of losing in cases. And you know I think. I think there's great lessons from Ninja here and there's awesome lessons about digital citizenship and and sportsmanship sportsmanship sportsmanship. That's what I would say. Yeah this is from these tweets and so it's it's packed full of tons of like interesting things that you can talk about that are absolutely fascinating And and so. I was glad that I saw it and but I I was busy. I was in meetings that day but then Michael Cohen tagged Senate. And that's where you know. The conversation started in. That was that was a lot of fun it was it was fascinating fascinating thing to talk about We wanted to before I get into this This is the. There's some pretty heavy topics here coming up and You know if you if you have dealt with like trauma or especially sexual abuse and stuff like that you might WanNa you know. Skip over for the next few minutes. Feel free that's fine So now that now that I've gotten that out of the way I mean so. The Catholic Church was already going through a pretty rough spell With with with with tons and tons of of sexual abuse allegations you know this has been going on forever And it's really coming to a head Kind of right now in the news. This week has been too. I think absolutely Interesting situations that that do have like really you know interesting implications for education That I that I want to discuss because I almost also because I wanNA follow them and see how they progress so the first one comes from a a Catholic school teacher in Toronto Pablo Dubois No Read a book to his graver. Great five and six kids Called the boy who cried fabulous And at he got absolutely attacked you know vicious groups This oppor- operatives political operatives. You know singling him out And and it was you know I just wanted to give it some airtime. We're going to link the article in the show notes. And I I would love you know for for for our listeners. To read this and and you know pollen needs some support. He needs some backup friends. And I ve already kind of weighed in you know on twitter and said listen if you if you need help if you need to talk to someone of you need anything you let me know at the very least Because I you know I guess so. So we've talked about this a bit on twitter. The Catholic school system in Ontario is publicly funded Which is Wave detached United States taxpayer money. So there's the public school system the and then there's the Catholic school system. Both you can choose in your taxes where your education portion goes so you know we have a a so the Catholic School system isn't isn't going after him. It's all of these ancillary far right and and and and heavily religious groups that are going after him but they're definitely trying to get him fired from his and educator and it's just unacceptable especially from An organization that receives its funding for me from from taxes So so you know there. There's a petition online To encourage the Toronto Catholic District School Board not to let Paulo go And I just wanted to offer words of support Because because it's it's such a horrible situation to find yourself in To just be reading a book to your students that expresses You know You know issued the talks about issues regarding sexual orientation and gender identity. What is it then? Be just absolutely attacked viciously for it. Both on twitter and everywhere else is awful. What's crazy though Mike? Is that book? The boy who cried fabulous as I went through and read the commentary. Audited listened to him on the local news broadcast. It actually never mentions yeah sexual orientation all it is. It's a story about a kid who likes to use the word fabulous and everybody is against them by everybody. His whole family can't believe that he uses the word fabulous. You could derive all kinds of meetings from basically. It's a kid who said who wants to be his own individual self. And can you translate that to you? Know a sexual orientation or bunch of other things. Sure Yeah you can and what it's basically saying you can be your own self and we all should care about you and we need to care about everybody individuals and so it's fantastic. It's crazy though how these different groups have gotten you really aggressive Basically targeting to to terminated from his position. Which is it's crazy. Yeah and in the United States hard for us to for people listening in the United States that no Catholic schools. I know Catholic school. Educators people get fired in those specific schools for a wide variety of things that I find insane men that are part of the contract that you sign with specific Catholic school. So you know going into it that for example if you are not married a and you are women you become impregnated. You're going to have a baby but you're not married. They can fire you for that which is just crazy like in my mind. It just blows me away. But it's part of what you end up signing you know as far as saying onto this Pacific mortgage being with me don't fund. Our schools are are sorry. Are Religious schools publicly so they are all privately funded so they can basically work outside of the scope of what would happen as far as in a public school system so crazy that's like so and the other awful Story that has literally just come out. This weekend is is about Gene Vanya Who is you know? A luminary of the Catholic church like someone that was idolized by the Catholic Church and and As a Canadian known for his charitable work especially with people with intellectual disabilities was They they there was a report published. that that says he you know had sexual abuse and sexual relationships with You know a number of people and and abused at least six women between nineteen seventy in two thousand and five and you know. Obviously it's awful. You know for the victims and there may be more. They're not saying that there's not what what I find is really. I actually know and I was telling you this Glen I. I actually know students. I taught students. There's Gene Venier Catholic highschool in Richmond Hill and -tario there is another genre venue a Catholic High School in Cambridge Ontario and there is a genre in the a Catholic high school in like subway in northern Ontario. There are three. That's just the three that you know are in. You know within a couple of hours drive of me. There are John Venier. Schools named schools named after this person. All over the place. And I'm absolutely I'm very interested in in talking to someone or finding out You know what's going to happen you know in the school communities You know obviously you know. There's there's parents and administrators and whatever that are gonNA come back. Dijon Venier School In Richmond Hill on Monday morning. And say what? What do we do now with the name of our school because we certainly can't have the name of our school named after someone who sexually assaulted at least six women crazy You know we have recently had a conversation with a school. That name was named after someone who's alive still an idolized in the community. Alleging the Justice Allen Page and I immediately thought of that you know in the sense that you know this is a. It's a complex issue. Even when it's someone who's like an idol to people in the crazy thing is that until yesterday you know gene. Vanya was like I said I you know idolized by the world for what he did So I I I actually texted The the parent that I that I still have conversation with every once in a while and they have a daughter that goes there still and they didn't even know they didn't hadn't seen the news so I shared it with them and then I just ask them to do me a favor and keep me Kinda. I'm interested in being in the loop on you know the conversations at the school and the school climate and With the administration is GonNa say about you. Know the namesake of their school and and what they do now because You know we've SEEN WITH JUSTICE ALLEN PACES. Schools sometimes embody their namesakes. You know and you know when you're namesake than does comes as as betrayal. Almost what do you do? It's it's complicated to to coin a phrase And and unfortunate and sad to perfectly honest So so you know it's a it's a pretty bad situation And I'm sorry that we we have to even think about it but you know it's it has implications for all of those students all of those parents and all of those numbers and all those teachers who have to walk through the doors and see the name on the signing especially if there were educators in those buildings that had been abused or assaulted or Are Victims themselves to then have to go into a building named after someone who was You know Who who has this record now I can't imagine to be perfectly honest So really really interested in in how things are gonNA unfold there for sure. You've come across a video game that I've never even heard of someone had mentioned it before. I watched the trailer and I was like. I don't even know what this is but I just read an article about it. It's it might be playstation exclusive. But what it's hyped up as as I was reading the kind of a review of it Of the game itself is that it is a it gives the player the ability basically to create games within this gaming platform without the complexities of cody and so on and so forth and then you can share your created games with a community of other. Obviously other gamers now. This happens in other things like I was thinking about a roadblocks for example. Getting a lot of roadblocks things are are created by users and then put onto this platform in minecraft tons of content and Extra features. It's the reason why Microsoft was. It wasn't continues to be so amazing that the players basically re coded the game had made tons of other games within the game itself and made it look more beautiful and made it look funny and so on and so forth and did all of these things Basically playing with the code and in this case this Game called dreams. Think it's only for playstation at least right now allows the players to create. All kinds of different was that was looking at our everything from a three d platform game or to just a two dimensional kind of jumping around Tampa game to everything else in between it looked amazing. If that's actually the stuff that you can build it in a tout's itself as very easy to cut a get going with it and quick to be able to create the levels in the games whatever they easily to share them with A community so we're definitely GONNA keep tabs on this. I don't have a playstation but maybe it'll be an excuse. Forget one research. Yeah I think this is the company that made little big planet could be because they've reminds me of that kind of ethics reminded me of little big planet definitely. So I think that this is that company media molecule. Yeah So you you had mentioned or asked if this was the next yeah they did make little big planet But you had asked if this is the next minecraft in the in the show which I thought was interesting because we've actually talked about another game and framed it as the next minecraft and I'm still. We're still waiting waiting for high tail to come out and only the only person I know who is played. It is Is Steven Reid. Yes unfortunately so so we need to. I need to talk to even read about it but We we also just need to get our hands on that because I you know. High tail is is a lot like minecraft and made by people who made like the high tail MoD for Minecraft That's where they came from. They make they made mods for minecraft. We're GONNA make our own game so super interested in dreams for sure. Is it out now. I think it's about to come out so people that got tested out the up so it's about to come out right now so I would like to hear from people and see what they think like add more descriptions of it because it's still a little bit of a mystery of everything. I've heard I was like. Oh this sounds like you know our guest. This week Steve Isaacs baguette. The plate test this in their classes in iterating with the bill. The design things that I want to hear more about what it's all about and how easy it is to actually build and share so it looks to me like it's release. It was released last week. Okay Very February fourteenth. So we'll have to confirm that and maybe I'll Maybe I have a PS four. So maybe I'll I'll download it up okay because I would be exciting. Tell me about pocket points so at teacher this week. That was working with said. Hey I'm GonNa try this thing out that I used to use. She's a first year teacher at our school that I used to use at The university and she said it was. It's called pocket points and I'm like I've never heard of this addy what you're talking about. She's so she showed it to me at the university level. What it basically does his so. You're in college class. Ed Professor. You're trying to keep your students just like icicles. Students or any other kinds of suits off of their phones and Focus Thaad Kenan. What's happening as far as class? I played civilization in university. Yeah you don't WanNa be like you know a so bad hardcore about it so you don't want to be like dough fallen here or whatever might be your urine. You're adults you need to be able to monitor yourself right that kind of thing you know better attitude as far as that so what this professor at several of them were doing is encouraging the students to use this pocket points. App and at the university level. At least this is kind of what the interest is interesting to me. I think we should pull this model into high schools. Is They for staying off of your cell phone for a specific period of time? So the the the the professor would set up their class period. And it'll be one hour block from one to two o'clock and they would lock you it as you're a class member you would. You would download the APP and volunteer to do it and you press a button is she. Showed me how to do it. And it says ready to begin and do a countdown timer and lock your phone. Now you can always press a button and say I give up right but if you manage to stay off your phone for those sixty minutes pushed out to. You would be all of these local vendor coupons so aiysha pote lay a McDonald's the quickest way to a student's heart right there data flow was. I was thinking about that. It's like half price burritos two for one this one dollar burgers free drinks at kitchen. Anything you say for half price Burritos Dude. I was listed as she's like. We all did it so we were all. We were serious about it. You know we actually need. We're trying to game. The system cheated whatever might be. We were seriously she was like I was thinking. Maybe I could do something like that as far as a high school. Now the way they push there will will link it there for the for the audience here. They are talking about game of flying so they've talked about something. The rewards would be based about something that you would have as far as in your class. You know a drop the lowest quiz grade so on and so forth just remember that the best game of vacation has to be as far as that carrot has to really be something that the students really do care about. But that doesn't destroy what you're trying to do in class so I always tell people. Be careful with reward systems that affect grades for example comes. Yeah Yeah it's okay for it to be something that's outside so for example coupon that you get the half the local businesses and it's so smart because pocket points didn't pay the business anything actually. The businesses are paying pocket points to basically advertise. They're saying hey student. Do you feel like going the Here's a half price coupon. They're like Oh that makes me one. Actually go to this specific place. I'll tell my parents or I'll go myself etc really really interesting concept so. I'm interested here if more teachers are actually doing this. What does it actually look like in a classroom as far as high school or middle at the elementary level? How you would change that or maybe. It's not as big of a deal but at the high school level at all the schools that I've been at Cellphones probably at the top of the list. As far as classroom management issues that teachers are trying to figure out? Get their minds around like how? How do I do this so that? It's respectful of my students. Basically saying I'm GonNa Treat you as the adult that you're becoming you need to do. You gotta be out the Monitor self without basically just letting them do whatever they want. So it's a it's a really interesting concept a one definitely out there. You use this connect to hear more about what you're doing super cool. Yeah that's awesome. Hey Sore Friend. Nate Green Put out a pretty interesting tweet that that is funny because I I've been thinking a lot about algorithms lately so so it was funny that he brought this up this idea that Asking the question should schools teach students how to game algorithms at and I'm not exactly sure what specific algorithms he was referring to other than You know th referencing a couple articles And stuff like that but like listen if someone can tell me how to game the Youtube Algorithm just a little bit I. I would be happy to to to listen to some advice because I could use some algorithm gaming for YouTube By by nate has some other ideas. I guess related to you. Know what do you think? This is a really interesting digital citizenship perspective from a bad place. But it's also you know so what I thought of the first time I thought of this was the narrative surrounding hacking and hackers quote unquote hackers and we had the conversation remember but a year ago. We talked about the kid who who got into the security system of the school And is being like really singled out like in bad ways for doing something that almost every kid would have probably done and teachers were so dumb that they couldn't you know protect their. They let passwords on the right on the screen. So you know of course a twelve year. Old's GonNa you know be a twelve year old In some ways right. And you don't gotTa send the kid to jail for it like he real here You know but the idea that there's you know there. There is good hacking. There is ethical hacking and certainly. I think that the narrative surrounding hacking the word and like the the connotations. It's not a pejorative anymore. I guess is the best way to say it. You know when you're a hacker. That's not a bad thing necessarily anymore. And it's not automatically seen as a bad thing to be a hacker anymore And so you know that was the first thing I thought of. What did you think of when you when you thought of this so I thought of all of the different systems that are in play right now as adults that many of us learned too late or we never learn the lessons? About how so many things are set up. And there's these algorithms that you can basically manipulate in order to end up on the good side and usually has to do with finances The first thing that I was thinking of if your high school student. How'd you break the Algorithm or get in to the right side of the Algorithm of college entrance? How do you basically pass they tell you like? There's a specific test score. You have to get the the write this essay so on and so forth but we already know we've talked about on the show that a lot of the stuff is being done. Autumn off is automated in once. You pass the automation process. And that's kind of what the link to this article is. That nate was linking. There is that in order to get to the next step. You have to pass the automated part of the Algorithm. So if you don't even do that part rights or set the things up correctly there you will never have a real person. Read your application so this for college entrance. I was thinking also about credit scores. The credit scores Algorithm in the United States isn't about just being a good person it. It's not just being like hey I'm going to do the right thing etc whatever my beep. It actually has to do with specific things that you must do it. And those things affect your credit score either positively or negatively and some of those things. We never even. We don't even know about a lot of I still don't even know about what those actual things are. That really do move. Credit scores in one direction or another He was talking about job searches. Where basically you would go in. And I've heard of this happening at many big time businesses or for example. The Mayo Clinic is really huge here at Minnesota and it's such a huge systems of tons of hospitals all around the Minnesota at tons of employees that in order to get past basically the algorithm part and get to a an actual person that reads your application. You have to in your cover letter and on your resume. Look at the job description. I mean read the job description. They'll tell you basically you could watch youtube videos about this. How to pole he words and basically insert them in to your cover letter and your resume though they may not exactly belonged. There isn't that that's insane. I'll get me something. Yeah I'll tell you something you probably know this if your if your cover letter for the Peel District School Board. Which is the second-biggest School Board in Ontario? One of the four five biggest in Canada. If your cover letter for the for to apply for a job at the does not have the word differentiation in it. It will not get seen by a human. That's what I've said that is you have to have that word. There are other words to I don't know all of them. I know differentiation was my whatever because I was told to put it in there. Yes by someone who told me. Your resume will not be seen by a person. I don't know if that's the case anymore because obviously it's been quite a while since I applied for a job at the Peel District School Board and my wife's been there for twelve years so so she doesn't need something like that anymore but I know for a fact that there are a number of boards in southern Ontario. That are having their resumes because of how many people apply for these damn jobs and also You know you'll get you'll you open up the supply teacher the What do you call them? Just a substitute teacher list tabligh for a Substitute Teacher Job in southern Ontario and six thousand people will apply for that job crazy so I understand the idea of needing some sort of filtering But there are definitely words that those filters are looking for yeah In gaming those filters is there's actually a facebook group. I'M NOT GONNA I don't care anymore. I can tell you that. There's a facebook group okay. Private facebook group for people who want to learn how to do well in The York district school board interviews really so they basically help you. There is some of the questions that I get asked. Here's here's do responses. I was in that group social media at its best or visit. I'm deeply there and you would okay so if you didn't do that. Yeah right if you didn't get into the things and you didn't have that advantage. You know basically being able to do whatever you you need to go to do to be able to go ahead and at least doing well as far as interviews or even just get an interview. Yup that's insane but totally makes sense because we have all of these systems in place. Should we so great question by Nate? Green is should we be teaching our kids how to game all of these different algorithms that exist that that they will be that will be at the forefront of a bunch of the things that they tried to do in life for getting a job to getting good credits to getting into schools and so on and so forth is probably more. I can't even think of a moment but should we be teaching them how to go to do that. That's a very interesting question Ethical dilemma. But yeah yeah interesting. Well you'll have a chance to weigh in on the on this question Chat on education. 'cause we'll we'll make sure that that's one of the questions and we'll We'll give nate some credit and get him to weigh in on what he thinks and And we'll have a really gets. Actually we should give a shout out to the chat because the chat was absolutely phenomenal. This week Very full spirited suit interesting really good conversations to be honest are still like it's it's while we're recording on a Saturday this week. We normally record on a Monday So the chat was yesterday morning Friday morning And we were still talking about it this morning. Yes on Twitter. S So like the conversations haven't stopped in it's been twenty over twenty four hours now So I guess that's how you know you have a good Shaddai. Suppose That that you know people are screened And and you know it's not just like it's not like fluff it's legitimate real conversation so you know That was literally the whole point of starting a chat for US anyways So mission accomplished there. I guess when we come back the bests and this week five things in education. We need to stop doing like right now so stay. Tuned on education is brought to you by fidgets fidgets or interactive USB sensors that. Bring your coat to life. There's no soldering or wiring required simply plug a sensor coating your favorite language and watch your ideas come alive. Fidgets are used by thousands of stem professionals globally and are now available for computer science students simply go to Bid League fidgets on Education to get your introductory kit that includes a free censor worth over fifty dollars. That's bitterly fidgets on education. Welcome back to on education and welcome to the best every week. Mike night take you through a list of our top things from books. The Games from people to ideas. So there's a lot of great things going on in education to be sure but let's be honest. There's also some stuff we could really say goodbye to like anytime soon this week. Five things in education. We need to stop doing now and I was thinking. Five is probably not even enough so this is a chat we stop to. This is one where people can just kind of weigh in and let us know what all things because there's a lot of things a lot of the news that we talk about. Are Things that we wish we could just stop but we we had the narrow it though. Sure otherwise we'd have many many hours of our top stops while rhymes. Yes so I guess number one but it doesn't have to be number. Why did we just saved by the homework? I was just wanting I was thinking about by amount of homework that my seventh grade son brings home and the amount of work that my second grade son is actually doing also at home and the value of that specific work is what I really of questioning. So we've talked about it before if it's a project that involves kind of getting US involved in my son's is lives and in their passions and it just happens to spill over that they're so pumped about doing whatever it is that they were doing at school they really want to continue it at home. Of course we want that to continue. That's awesome took the stuff that's Lies Andrew. My oldest son is actually doing as far as at home on a daily basis is very similar to the things that I was doing. A you know a long time ago. twenty five plus years ago. And it's basically kind of worksheet type of stuff and it calms the part. That really is frustrating. To me is both my wife and I are educators and I find myself sometimes where I can actually help him because I don't even know the you know the referenced the specific math whatever it might be because I haven't practiced it in so long. Whatever might be but then I was thinking to myself. I'm actually here at home and I'm at I'm a teacher for God's sakes at I'm having issues trying to go ahead and help them. What if they're bomber? Dad is working their second the second shift they you know they made dinner for them. They had to go to work. Date kid is there at home by themselves or whatever might be you know a limited amount of things. What if they are second language learner? What if a whole bunch of other things where there's just all of these priorities and this work gets counted as part of their great? You know as far as part of the assessment is a thing. We all know that it just bowl. It doesn't it doesn't really hasn't shown to be an effective way of practicing of getting more. You know learning at higher level. Nope we've showed that it actually just shows economic levels economic status and it does in my case because both my my wife and I just happened to make we happen to live this life where we do work a like us call it a quote Unquote Normal Day. In the afternoons we could help. Our kids were educator so we understand that we would want our kids to succeed at school. So we're trying to help them out with whatever might be sure. Yeah but it still pisses me off every single time. I look at the stuff and I made that goodness my wife Erica. She pushes me aside and it. Lets you know basically. Let's my son's do the things they need to go ahead and do and then make sure that I don't get my negative feelings out as far as towards towards that. But it's not their fault obviously and. I don't even know if it's the teachers exactly their faults. It's a culture thing that we just need a new colleague getting break. We need a break free of it and stopped doing this totally so I don't think I've ever seen a textbook that I liked Tectonics it gets worse as the years of gone on frankly to be honest even the textbooks in some cases. They're getting e like to be honest. The old textbooks are awful. Like I've seen some textbook especially the old ones that are like racist as how? Oh yeah in. Some cases completely like insensitive to yes who tons of different groups and ethnicities and and you know so old textbooks are awful and we know like there are still schools out. There that are using textbooks from the seventies and eighties for sure. Guaranteed like way in chat because there are definitely schools that are using textbooks that are twenty thirty years old still And those are awful but even new textbooks and these textbook companies that try to like the you know we talk about this all the time this this these textbook companies that. Try to games now. Oh turn the textbooks into games and so now we're basically you know it's chocolate covered turds for better words. It's not even Broccoli right not to know it's out in its option to just to make it look like it's something tangible but We all know it's not You know there's nothing I just and it it. It's just it's administrators not trusting their teachers to be creative with materials and resources and ideas and tools and methods. That don't require kids to sit and read a book you know to do learning you know. Learning from a textbook is a mile wide and an inch deep And and learning that involves getting your hands dirty and you know being in there and doing things and building things in making things and and presenting things in sharing things. That's where you know you get real meaningful learning outcomes and experiences and textbooks just simply don't provide that at all one of the best examples out there that if anybody wants to go to look at this When I did my master's degree I did it on the flip learning method and whether or not that was effective And Anyway there was a school in Byron. Minnesota just happened to be in southeastern Minnesota where actually used to live in. They were referenced in one of the studies and many studies that have been done on the flip classroom and blended learning and so on and so forth but the best part of the most interesting part was there was a group of math teachers. Basically they couldn't afford the new textbooks you know. They couldn't actually buy them and so they were. Like what are we GONNA do? Our textbooks are horrible. What are we going to do? So the district actually paid them and they spent a summer working together as a department and they created their own textbook curricula from the beginning to the end and not only the curriculum but all of the flipped videos. That went along with the curriculum brilliant. So that it it actually it all of the practice problems and related them to things that they knew were specific to their population their students and their whatever might be their things that were going on with them and they continue to revamp that curriculum super successful and I mean they paid. The district did in the paying somebody is called. They paid the teachers to create. The curriculum created the resources. And then go to deliver those kind of revamp of me cheer. I said you can't do that with everything but you know what? There's this thing called Google nowadays where? There's a lot of stuff out there as as educators we can become curator's and that's where we me and you we talk about for example school. Aji as a learning management system. The reason why we love that Platform is you can curate materials. The best of the best materials from all of the different resources that are out there. Pull them all together and then basically create your own curriculum detects when you can do that. You did that exact same thing. You knew what you needed your students. You wanted them to do as far as the outcomes and you created the curriculum that fit for computer science and they basically all it took. It took was time a passionate educator. An ad basically a wherewithal as far as how am I going to put this together with my end goal and so on and so forth so we could do that textbooks sucky yes. Let's do that the next thing that I was thinking about to Mike on this. And we've talked about this topic at my God. I get so furious about this. One taking away recess as a punishment and it's still being done in. Schools is still happens right now and I would say it's actually more commonplace that it's the opposite. It's actually more uncommon for schools to not do this. So stop taking away recess as a way of punishing you know as a consequence for whatever might be as far as behavior management. It sucks and I would say as I've said before the podcast agree with me. We need to have more recess. Time on structured. Play is freaking awesome kids of all ages. They need to get away from the thing. Be Able to socialize together physically active running around to different things. Whatever it might be have some different places for them to be able to do those things. Neon structure plays phenomenal. Don't take away recess from kids as punishment I just realized so I was telling you off. Air that We my wife and I just realized that this is a Sewing on -Tario it's called E. A. Oh it's the standardized tests in grade three and grade six in in the in the K. To eight system I think They do some other small tests but the main years are three to eight and we just realized that so is in grade six so this is an ao year for Isaac which means they his entire. Schooling is entirely different than every other freakin year. Because they are teaching to the Damn Test Calapan and we didn't we didn't click with us until a week ago in Cherif said to me. Hey I just realized if he's in great sex means he's taken that test and you know so we were going to have a legitimate conversation about because you can opt out of standardized tests in in in Ontario. You said that you can do that in Minnesota's well You know listen. You've heard US rant about listened to the podcast. This is this is probably if we were ranking these. This might be number. One is number one so I mean standardized tests just need to frigging go away. Pretty Damn quick. And they're they hurt kids they don't help the only thing that they do is provide politicians with political ammunition. Yes and and and and and talking points were like in there being right now. I swear to God right now in this Antero teachers. The labor issues standardized testing scores are being used by the Progressive Conservative government as talking points You know calling schools failing schools in all of this nonsense and their their than they say. Well how do you know? Schools are failing. And they'll say well look at the math scores or whatever and hailed It's it's all they do is an yeah. They provide the funding numbers. In a lot of cases for for schools they They don't in Ontario. I don't think anyways By by in a lot of cases funding and money comes from your your results in some places and certainly ancillary funding sometimes does and You know if you've ever seen a kid and I've seen them who are like throwing up before they walk into a task because they're so scared and nervous about what they're going to do and how they're gonNA do and then throwing up when they see the results because they're worried that their parents are going to be so so at at in private schools there are standardized tests as well and I've seen of seen those. Those are the experiences I have directly Where the results you get the results like a couple of weeks later And they just give you them hand them to you on a sheet of paper and you have kids crying in the hallways especially at a private school where their parents pay twenty grand to to send you to school and then you bomb a standardized test because you were so worked up about it you know you? You had a bad sleep the night before you didn't eat because you were scared and then threw up before you take the damn test and then you bought trestle and then you get it back. And you're balling is out of seen it. I've seen it. I've been there of comforted students who were crying because they thought their parents would practically disown them as a result of standardized tests. If there's nothing else in this world of education that needs to go away it's standardized tests and it needs to happen now. Yes so the final one at least for this segment. Yeah we could do a whole whole show about this and I'm super passionate about this with two guy. That's the reason we had to put it on here. I'm tired of my kids and kids around the country being forced to eat lunch in twenty minutes or less. It is disgusting stupid thing that we do because we just want schedules. That's it. We Wanna be able to schedule things and we want to be able to drive it in. Put it within at the actual schedule so we went to make it twenty twenty five minutes of devouring your food not socializing any which we all know it. Isn't that a great part about eating meals? Together that's it. That's the part where you actually sitting down with. Somebody and the meal is actually accentuated. It's made better by the conversation you get the. Have you know that article that we read the other day where the lady was? The fourth followed the fifth grade class around and she ate lunch members. She was telling talking about how they were yelling at her and she had to eat her lunch super-quick as she had been sitting all day long in a quiet class being told to shut up and finally they have a space where they could actually talk to. Somebody was asking about what her favorite whatever was super cute and then they started getting yelled at because they were whatever might be and then all the sudden lunch was over with these Super Short. Lunches are just. They're not healthy. Kids need recess. Add a time to be able to go ahead and decompress from what we're talking about. We put a lot of pressure on kids in school too at whether you want to believe it or we do and they need to have times. Where they we do. We do it ourselves. As adults we have mandated lunches as part of our contracts on con-. Do you think our kids don't deserve thirty minutes. Of COURSE DUTY FREE TIME. You know that same thirty minutes for lunch. Yeah thirty minutes for recess. Yes and and do that so that they are that much healthier. They get to experience lunch. Eat all their stuff. My youngest son is just. It's worse part of the day. I told you before because of deep time is not enough time to eat and they are yelling all the time and he eats slow. It's not that he's trying to be defiant. He's A. He's the last thing as far as being a defiant kit he's just doesn't eat super fast. Which is actually. How does he like seventy seven? It's like it's been a very healthy thing. It's fine take your time. As far as they say he's eating his lunch. Whatever and then he brings home basically three fourths of his launches like. I just didn't have time to eat so he's eating after school is really like hungry. That of course just didn't have a chance to like short lunches. Come on people. We have to figure out a better way to do this thing. Sheryl Short lunches can go away anytime soon. You're right so everybody you can always come back to this segment of the best by checking out our blog at on education PODCAST DOT COM or watching it on youtube just search for on education and check out our playlist. Do you want to support US on education? Check out our patriots site at Patriotair Dot com slash on education pod. When we come back front of the pod Steve Isaacs stay tuned on education is brought to you by the badge summit. Do you have plans to attend the conference this summer. Come one day early participate in the best hidden gem conference in the United States badge. Summit Twenty Twenty will take place in Costa Mesa California on June twenty second. There will be many amazing educators to collaborate with on topics such as digital badges credentials gamification and more to learn more about the badge summit simply visit bitterly slash badge summit walking back to the podcast. Everyone our guest for this week doesn't really need much of an introduction since he's named dropped on almost every episode and and certainly someone that we've talked to a number of times on the podcast previously. Steve Isaacs is with us this week. Welcome to the PODCAST friend. Thanks guys glad to be here as always as always this I. We were a laughing. I think it was just recently. We were we talking about the commercial. We did at every not last year but the year before Where we were in that that little side room and we we did that. Class graph data was laughing about that the other day. I was telling that story how we kinda wrote it on the fly and then I yelled to interrupt you think we talked about my million quests that I have one class so we're we're here Today we actually have something to talk about some. You know we didn't just want to have you on because For you know random randomness because we Love talking to you and we talk all the time but It's important that we talked about this on the podcast There's a lot going on right now with epic games and with four nine and you and I in particular are pretty heavily involved in that so we wanted to get your the podcast. 'cause you're kind of leading the charge with this you know they sponsored Fetc They had the You know some some banners and stuff in the in the concourse and You know we. We did some sessions Sponsored by them as well which was pretty sweet. So maybe let's start at the start. What what got their attention. I think that's the for tha- that's I. Guess the place. 'cause we know some of the back stories that I had been talking to them for quite a while but I took the Steve Isaacs touch to make some of this happened so so tell us a little bit about what God this going. Because I think that's a fun story short so we'll it goes back to last school year and I'll share just a little. Little context are my teach game design and development and my students typically have the opportunity to choose what tool they'd like to to create games with and we use a variety of tools. So a lot of what I teach. I teach the iterative design process but I like to put the learning in the kids hands and not feel like I'm have to be the expert in teaching them the tool per se so I was Kinda waiting somewhat patiently once fortnight creative mode was released for kids to start asking to use it and interestingly last year I had one class in particular I thought all my kids would be asking in one class that asks. I figured this was a great way to start and those kids. Of course you know. Can we use fortnight creative to create game and? I didn't know if I could give an immediate. Yes I felt like you know. Sort of with four-night and at the time people thinking a fortnight primarily as a battle royale shooter game You know I felt like we had to at least get some degree of permission. I teach in a middle school so I encourage the kids that had asked to write a letter to our principal and kind of state their case which was a very strong case because the reality is creative mode. There's no you know there's nothing about it that means that you have to make or even are inclined to make violent games or whatever you. WanNa call it concerned with the inappropriateness but it's a true sandbox environment. So they pointed a lot of great things out like that they offered to get parent permission. If they were GONNA use it and of course they. They made it clear that they understood what was appropriate for school. And we're going to bide by that so they drafted you know this great email Which is on my blog and my principal was terrific. I wasn't sure you know what the response would be initially like whether it would be like whether the word fortnight would get her attention or what but her primary concern was things like Making sure it was. You know that student privacy was respected and that it was Kobuk compliant choice makes me think of Copacabana but Anyway You know and for compliant and all and which it is so luckily You know epoch had has is just knows what they need to. Do you know in those regards. Whether they thought they were creating a product for schools or anything you know so that was Kinda Start and I got super excited when I saw these kids what. They were developing in fortnight. Which kind of prompted me? I started getting a little more in tune with what epic was doing and all about and noticed the epic grant So they they're offering a ton of money on but not not for education necessarily but for whether it be developers were but they signed game designers. Yeah and they do include education in what they were looking for which. I was very pleased to see so I thought. Let me you know. Throw my hat in the ring and and proposed grant and the thing about it was a couple of things one is. I was starting to prepare and create a game design class for our high school which we didn't have so this was going to be the first year. I was going to be at the high school so by thought immediately is like wow once they get up to the high school. There's so much more potential for kids to create really great content with tools like unreal engine. So I wrote the grant with the context. I think it was called something. Like scalable. Game design from Fort night creative to unreal engine and with the goal being to use both tools but also to scaffold the learning and sort of get kids started and excited with fortnight and with an ultimate goal of of getting kids to be able to use unreal engine which is an industry standard And Luckily they. It's interesting because it caught their attention like you had said before that there was something interesting going on here potentially in education and that started a whole slew of other conversations Which led to some great opportunities and really piggybacked a lot on Mike. What you were interested in and it really. I think just opened the door just a little wider and and they've been incredibly receptive. I've been doing some work with them on creating lesson plans. You've done some work with them. Creating lesson plans We're going to be supporting them at South by Southwest Edu. I'll actually be in the booth with them for three days showing what a great would have fun conference. It'll be showing teachers how to use fortnight creative another unreal to pause for a moment and think about how mind blowing it is at epic games has a booth at an education conference yet. And it's still blowing my mind. That EPA Games has a booth at like a mainstream K. to twelve education conference. Yeah absolutely. I mean they're they're invested. Well I mean they're all in you know what I mean and from what I understand Tim Sweeney who's the as the CEO or allender. God of epic is a you know an and more green both are very you know invested in education and see great value in and and I think WANNA do right by education but also are smart as business people. I think No let's train kids to use these powerful tools and then become the next generation of of developers. I mean it makes perfect sense to me. Yeah absolutely I was thinking Steve that as I'm sitting at school so days And I get a notification from twitch that you are in your classes actually doing activities some of them having to do with fortnight creative some of them having to do with Mike Craft and a variety of other things. But you're the only teacher that I know. I know teachers stream like Mike does and some of our other friends do. But you're the only teacher. I know that actually streams what's the content that's actually happening during school or the examples of student artifacts or all of those types of things at streams. It live while it's actually happening. People are testing or iterating. Whatever might be if someone's interested in that over the steps? They took to be altogether because it seems like a principal's nightmare hat for best. Actually they just because of the livestream You know just being live But it's it's gone so well in so many of us go in there Natalie to support you in your what you're doing as far as your classes but also learned like to see what is the latest things that people are actually working on What are you doing as far as class? Can you talk to us more about that? Yeah well that's the goal. I mean I I feel like you know. Transparency is very important in education and I also you know I love having people visit my classroom and have like real live. Teachers come visit that. Want to start a program similar mind but why not make that available through the technology we have now with streaming I currently what I'm doing is it's mostly me. It's generally me onscreen unless I have parent permission and I actually. I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA be more formal with that because I'd like to have permission for all my kids out of the gate because then it just makes it easier to have kids. Just jumping induced stuff. I do have kids sometimes doing the streaming but I'll typically turn the camera off so some of the things they'll do is they'll either stream or record for Youtube. Some of the the you know. Let's play or game reviews and things like that as well as their Projects you know. And as you've seen I will It's a lot of fun when we're at this point in the project where we're all. Beta testing things and I could jump in and take people through what my kids are doing. I mean I love showing what my students have done It's pretty remarkable. And so yeah so I think I think on a simple level. I think just being mindful to monitor the chat to you know to be understanding of what you can do in terms of whether students should be in the stream you know I think permission there is important but I do feel strongly that it's really all about community building and things and I I want I love when people like you Glenn you know pop in and will either ask questions or comment. There's one guy who's like You know Dinner Beef. He's a great He works With with Feed the beast and so he's a minecraft developer and he watches are stream all the time and so often. We'll just give little tidbits of information that help because he knows far more than I do. You know four. We can do that kind of thing to and and Mike when we were playing around with that that streaming with the duck thing I gotta start using that more. Because I'd like to bring more people in like I've had Adam Clarke. I would have a question and he would come onto one of my streams and help me and my class figure it out and things so I think there's a lot of power in that and So I I I'd love to see more people doing it I think it just you know it invites people in it. You know I it starts to make me. Think of imagine the possibilities. If there's you know we we have. Actually we have a student in our school right now. Who is who unfortunately is ill so as is primarily homeschool schooled but they purchased one of those robot things that is like a two way you know like whatever like a web conferencing tool but it moves around the room and stuff so the kid can be part of class. I mean why not have that I could do that through the stream right and you know and what about kids that are home schooling but WANNA tap in and learn it and again it you know and I think like in other words you know. They're being their only enhances both my teaching and the learning so You know it's been it's been fun and it's not always it's messy sometimes and that's that's good. I I like to model the the whole thing right like so if I'm making a mistake you know if you're there Glenn or Mike and can help me debugged some code you know in real time. I think that's pretty cool too so you know it's funny. We've we've talked about. We've talked about your stream without you here we've actually. I don't think we've ever actually talked to you about you streaming and one of the things that I come to every once in a while and now I'd love to just hear your thoughts on it. Is this idea of trust the the idea of trust from the students perspective? Because I think there's something there but also the idea of trust from your. I mean you have bosses year. You're not an island. You certainly report to people and they certainly know that you're streaming the inside of your classroom and then parents obviously know that you're doing this as well and so talk a little bit about buying and trust and how you approach them to let them know this was going to have especially the administrators. Because I'm sure that there are a ton of teachers out there that would love to do this and are even just frankly probably afraid to ask to even like say you know and then they and then a Heaven Forbid. Your teacher your principle. Your whatever doesn't know what you're talking about at all heaven forbid then you have to go through this whole process of explaining to them which streaming is like. So how did you like actually get buy in? I'm really interested in that because I think that that is something that people would love to know about. I think the thing you said I Has Most to. That is the piece of trust right so I think it's a lot about you know understanding that you know. I'm generally like I said I mean a lot of it right now with it. If I have parent permission I think by in is easy right because I think when you have parent permission Then administrators are. Don't worry because you've gotten gone to that and I have a permission slip. That goes home. Sweet We it started with we were doing. Vr research in class. And of course I had to get all sorts of levels of permission to have my students involved in this research so we had a permission slip for that then. I started adding to that permission slip. Because rather than sending eight million permission slips home and I added the first year I added that I would be to tweet from class and would like to With you know with permission you know your child could be in a picture. We don't put names and such and if you would prefer they don't that's something they can check off on the permission slip. I honor that then when I started streaming I just added that as well and explained what we're doing with that and it also does invite parents in which I think I don't you know occasionally we have parents come more so when when I'm one of our like East sports matches and then the kid will be able to say. Hey you can watch me. You know on the Stream and we'll get that's when we seem to get more parents in you know but But but even at our I presented at board meetings where I've shared the twitch stream and things like that so I think I think I think you know you work hard to build that trust. I would like to think that that administrators would be open to the idea because I do think it brings great value. You know and again transparency. There things to be concerned about but those things exist everywhere like in other words if I my chat there and you know something. Inappropriate comes on to deal with address that luckily that hasn't really happened. But you could moderate the Chad and I have. I guess whatever like some simple filter stuff going on but anyway but yeah I think it. I think it does come to that trust. I think it comes down to seeing. You know the things that you're doing and so even when it comes to people visiting my class I mean you know. My district is excited about that. Because they're starting to understand that you know people are coming because they know something that we're doing and want to bring that to their school and I think the same thing happens when we open it up through through the stream so let's circle back so you had mentioned that you had written some lessons for four nine and I've written some lessons for four nine. Let's first talk about the actual lessons. 'cause I think some of these and what you can do. Maybe even there might be people. There probably are people who dabble in minecraft education edition. That listen does for sure What so talk about your your Rube Goldberg Lesson. Because it's sweet heddon and talk about how you can do that in fort night and and how it relates to what you can and can't do in minecraft because I think that there's an interesting comparison there yet so well for one. Yeah I I love the lesson In fact I wrote it with the premise of it. Being kind of A science and engineering lesson because it covers topics like Simple machines and and and things like that but of course but then I kind of spun it to make it appropriate worthwhile for my class also and and the main thing that that I find value in it for my students that are learning game design is that it also encourages them to learn about the potential of automation in craft by using. I mean in minecraft fortnight in this case because of the You know the the triggers that automate things happening the devices you know and things like that in fortnight creative So the kids. Are you know designing and creating these pretty intricate Rube Goldberg Machines and again with my class. Probably the main learning goal always revolves around innovative design in that front and center in this. Like everything else Because the kids are building their their Rube Goldberg Machine. Most of them use use the ball To the the main character so to speak that's going through the machine so it becomes a lot of a lot of ramps a lot of a lot of uh jumps and things like that and they have to modify their project continuously to make things go where they intend for them to go so they're learning a lot about the mechanics and the physics in fortnight. Because you know a ball will speed up and go off ramp and it will not go where it's supposed to go. And then they have to rebuild part of it or at least figure out where they wanted to go before they build the next piece and whatnot and they have a blast with it And then interestingly you know similar to the the the reverse was when kids started asking if they could use fortnight in class with this project some kids have specifically said. Hey can we do it in minecraft so you know the answer is always yes So they so. Some of them are doing minecraft and I think I mean. The project works beautifully with either platform. I think minecraft kids are using a lot of things like command blocks and things to trigger stuff in the game really interesting things also like I and it's funny. You probably know this but the is it. The a villager gets chased by Zombie or Zombie chased by a villager. One of them so I had one group of kids create this big tight rope as part of their thing and the just go with it for a minute and say that it's the Zombie chasing the villager but the villager is moving and there's a Zombie that is making the village or move across the tight rope and then at the end. Something's GonNa Happen. The villagers GonNa hit something. And it's GonNa trigger the next thing so I mean the kids go creative yeah and in fortnight. It's really neat. In fact if you could in the show notes My Youtube Channel which I'll give has Examples of of the student projects on both platforms But just super super cool. So it's A. It's a really fun assignment. I think it demonstrates a lot of what's possible with fortnight creative mode and as you can kind of sense it's it's very appropriate for school and when you look at these things you know you realize that it's in the fortnight world but it's you know it's like this great example of of what you can do in fortnight creative. That's got nothing to do with guns or anything you know. Steve that you mentioned unreal engine and both of you guys are like Super Hyper nerds and really know about things. Like UNREAL. Engine or the company unreal. Can you take a step back and you said okay. This is the industry standard the industry standard of what that because because there are several different things aspects to. It doesn't all have to do with video games by brother. Works in film in the film industry in California Date. They use the unreal engine. It's you being used in all kinds of different things to talk more about that. As far as what's the connection between this gear that we all know as fortnight's and then this this is engine. That's driving all of these things and and so many other things. Y- you're right. It is used for many things at US definitely for for for probably a lot of CGI type stuff but definitely in film and video. It's definitely and it is. That is probably one of the industry standard tools for game design and more and more in fact I even have a. We have a friend Ben Kelly who recently said that he's moving from one three D game development environment to unreal engine primarily. Because what he did was he did a search of what the popular games that we all know are made in and it's pretty astounding. How many of them are made right? Now unreal engine and can make games for every platform including VR and and Xsara ar and stuff so but also like you say other industries are definitely using it and on that note As much as Mike. And I might be hyper nerds. I don't know a whole lot. Like unreal engine is challenging to me But I started going down the rabbit hole of their learning environment. And if you go to learn dot unreal engine dot com. I think that's what it is. I've been taking their. They have a great learn. Dot UNREAL ENGINE DOT com. Yeah they have a great. You know Portal with tons of classes badging and such so. That's I've been excited to be doing that lately. Yeah and so but it is like you say it's definitely and and three D. just design to and then another one of the products is called twin twin motion which they recently acquired. And that's like a visualization tool. That's pretty easy to use to create great ideas of like. Ooh What let's say. We want to design and one of the lessons were putting in. The Portal is design Escape Park in twin motion. And it has the kids really thinking about things like. Let's add some green Environmentally friendly aspects to this park and and the kids are designing and then creating these visual beautifully visualized You know skate parks. Or what have you if you actually want a really good example of how ubiquitous unreal engine is in just like the digital design industry. I actually have a really good example. My friend is the head of it for southern Ontario. If Night Canada's largest luxury car dealer chain I guess they have a Porsche dealership in a Ferrari dealership and they sell all manner of luxury vehicles and they sell McLaren's K. Somewhat Clarence are super expensive. And you know the cheapest McLaren's probably like you know one hundred and twenty eight hundred and thirty thousand dollars and when you go to the dealership to buy mcclair and he was telling me you go into a room a fairly large room. -LICA- theater ruminates got like recliners in it and they have like a server like a waitress or whatever that that comes in and let's go to a coffee. Yeah exactly and then they will. They will bring up. Pull DOWN A. There's a giant screen that comes down and they bring. They have like the the representative with them in the representative. Has this like super five thousand dollar high powered laptop and you build the car in like a hyper realistic model environment. That's powered by unreal engine and you specify every little piece of the car that you how you want it to look and the person running. The computer changes the settings. And it changes the the giant car that you're seeing in front of you on the screen and it's all like rendered in like hyper beautiful environments and and they can put it on a road that's driving through a whatever and it all it's all powered by unreal engine. So that's like a non gaming like just kind of industry related example of of of using unreal engine two and I think they actually on the unreal engine website. They talk about the McLaren design experience a little bit too which is super interesting. So that's that's actually a pretty classic example of this that that I always found was mind blowing. I'd love to go even though I'll never have the money to buy your McLean maybe You know fingers crossed but you know at least you know I. I'd love to go see this experience because I think it's really really really quite cool. So it's a path that our students may be interested in taking that doesn't necessarily involve game design or video games at all But does involve this digital creation aspect That's that's really really interesting. And it's powered completely by unreal. And how how cool is it when our kids start to learn this in school and like leave you know high school with a marketable skill. You know developing an unreal. So I mean that's why it's so great that you know when we focus on like we say industry standard but the reality is we're talking about You know such great skills for our kids to have that if they're gonNA go out. These are the tools that they'll be. You know most likely using so they have those skills. It's just amazing. So epic Games has Dug In pretty deep in the education space and We've both tweeted about Something that they're doing that we want to kind of promote here tonight The running a contest And and we want to get the word out about this and so talk about the contest. A little about where they can what. They have to do what they can win. Ray in and how they and how they sign up for this contest that's basically sponsored by Unreal engine and EPA Games. So yes so. That's a lot of this. Work has has been leading right towards that so the lesson plans that we've created things have been a model what they're looking to give an opportunity for teachers to to present So basically Educators. Who are either using or interested in using Right now it's their three primary products that we're talking about which is four-night creative unreal engine and twin motion or fall under their teach with interactive three D or learn with Interactive Three D contest. So basically we. There's a template up online that you can kind of follow just to give get the structure of what they're looking for for a lesson plan and they're accepting submissions. I think they've extended it to. What was it like may something I may something here and so basically you know. It's a function of of submitting lesson plan. That uses one of those tools and really I mean I hope people don't over think it because the reality is the goal is have lesson plans that teachers can can find on this portal and us. So you know it's like you know. I think sometimes we get thing where we think if we're submitting something for a contest. It has to be way over the top and I don't think that's really gonNA help anybody's cause because it's less likely to be really used in the classroom but the goal would be for teachers who could either use your lesson or remix. It you know a little bit for their needs The prizes are crazy. The the Grand Prize is twenty. Five thousand dollars. I believe I'm going to the site now. Actually that's a real amount of money. Yeah and then. There are three second prizes of five thousand. Each five third prizes of twenty five hundred dollars each and ten honorable mentions of five hundred each so it's like nineteen people are going to walk away with at least five hundred dollars and we V. Bucks cash out with that is and the reality is. It's it's real cash money you don't even you know you don't even have to use it for. V Bugs But the the I think you'll probably put in the show notes. Also the the link for the contest owed says now that it will run until May thirty first twenty twenty It is currently I believe open to. Us teachers that are working in school settings. And what have you so just take a little look at the rules? I think you know know Canadians. Unfortunately I do hope tried to ride in time. Maybe that will change. I think I think it's like one of those things where you know from their perspective of legality and such. I don't know if you know whatever but the you know the goal will be not only to hopefully when a great prize but also to contribute to this great platform that they're investing in developing and I come from the days of when valve through their hat in the ring for a brief moment with with alert with portals. Yeah which was amazing program. I'm grateful that I snuck in during the short window that it was a thing because I've been using portal two with my students. You know for many years sadly they abandoned that and it's nice to see epic you know coming around and saying you know we really do want to really invest in education and we want to be there and support teachers and students so I think You know I think they're really you know seeing and embracing you know an incredible opportunity here. So big contests. We're going to put the information for people to sign up for it in the show notes. for sure we leave people with one question we've ever never asked or so. But we we'd love to actually. I think we'd actually love to know your answers. What are Steve? Isaac Steve Isaacs. What are three pieces of media? Be It a book or a video or a song song or Or because I know you're a music lover at live. Music lovers specifically or Anything any piece of media that is driving your thinking is influencing you may be has influenced you in the past three pieces of media all right. It's funny because when I think of what my watching now and that doesn't necessarily apply to what's Driving or inspiring teaching but ready player. One favorite book ever definitely influential In in my thinking not I don't want us to get to that post apocalyptic place where we have to you know where it becomes you know what it was but I think the I think there's a lot in that book That that is very real. Let's see what other media You know I'm super into E. Sports right now. So I guess at least from an angle of of you know being aware of what's coming down the pipe and kind of following. I think that's that's big. You know I've been you know collecting a lot of resources there and reading. But let's see so you want other media though Gosh well I could just video games like inspire me to no end I might maybe I'll point at and if I saw that I'm not being overly specific like the Indie game scene strikes me because it it it allows me to kind of see and show my students. What is possible on that level of triple a? So that plays a big part. And then you know played a little bit of beat sabre lately. I don't know if that's I mean it's inspiring you know again. These are all things for me that you know. Just get me thinking about what's possible for my my students and such but yeah I could probably answer better with some thought but you know I like I like I like just pulling it on. Pbs Of course tell you should do it. Yeah totally all right. 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DANGER, Will Robinson! DANGER! | Desiree Alexander

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DANGER, Will Robinson! DANGER! | Desiree Alexander

"The presenting sponsor for on education is class craft. We're excited to announce class new story mode. Which makes it easy for educators to harness the power of stories episodes one and two of season. One are ready for you and your students play today. And it's completely free to learn more about class craft and the new story mode simply visit fast craft dot com slash on education. I was throwing things around the house. I was like what walk on education. Part of the on podcast media network. I'm Mike Washburn and glitter and friends. We have an us of pot for you today. We would discuss the Ontario teachers strike debate whether you could be an effective teacher without ever taking work home and our guest. This week is educator and Consultant Desert Ray Alexander so I was just thinking about it just just as we were getting started and we just got off talking with our good friend Steve Isaacs and I and I mentioned civilization six. I don't know if you've ever done this before And I'll see if any of our listeners have. I saw video on Youtube today. That had like a bit of an exploit for civilization six and totally went and tried to like replica. I was like dying to see if it worked so I spent the better part of like an hour and a half this afternoon. Just trying to get this thing to work in civilization six. Have you ever like yeah a bit of a cheat? Let's be honest is a bit of a cheat Sky Room all the time. There's a different things you can do to be able to quickly accelerate someone's strikes. You know whatever might be. There's all kinds of stuff like this powerhouse that just runs around. Sky Rim hacking and slashing It just saves tons of time to be able to get go on as far as the sky. Remit ventures It is like Megan But people have figured out the different techniques like you said exploits to be able to go ahead Whatever it boosts up your guy or do something crazy that you normally wouldn't do. It's also fun. That's what I like about. Games was just fine. I got to like level of Russia in like fifteen turns where normally would take like three hundred and then I just like stomped everyone. Because that's what you would do so it was a lot of fun We have a couple updates You know nothing nothing that we haven't talked about before but we wanted to. Just make sure. Everyone heads to Youtube subscribes to the education channel. They're the best are rolling along We've enjoyed doing them. And and we think it's really cool content. I think it's helpful. So so. Ponta on Educations Youtube Channel in and smash that Subscribe Button Friends You won't regret it and if you if you like the video then head over to the Patriots site and consider giving us three or four. Well no it's not three or four. It's four four dollars a month and if you you become one of our patrons you get access to the full video of the podcast which You know we're trying to do and do well and we'd like to run less ads so this is how we thought we could do it. So I got a little heat on the home front this week because because we spent a lot of time talking about the United States and US Teacher issues teacher walkouts and stuff like that but buddy. It's not going well up here. It's bad right now. We're bragging about you guys. It systems everything. Healthcare Education Fad A. I'm guessing this is associated with this last election that you guys had the while the provincial election. Yeah Mr Ford. I'll I'll be honest. It's worse than I thought it was going to be bad. And it's worse. I think it's worse than everyone thought. Okay it's it's it's it's bad on multiple levels And so the long the short of it is and we'll put some notes in the in the show notes. Some articles to read But the Ontario teachers across the Board K. To twelve are in strike positions So are are walking out. And here's It's it's super complicated. In in Ontario the government has a history of legislating teachers. Back to work As as what they would call an essential service so so as an essential service. You're not allowed to strike okay. So they basically pass a lot of you can't strike so yeah so historically every time every time. The teachers have struck in the last ten years or so the government. And it's been to be fair. It's been Liberal governments. I'm not going to call them. Left wing governments because the Liberals are definitely a centrist party and progressive conservative governments which are basically the right wing parties. Have the both legislated teachers back to work as an skull them essential service in legislated them back to work so it really cuts them off at the knees as far as having any sort of negotiating leverage power. Whatever So this year this this in this current job action? What the teachers unions have done a super smart. They haven't struck. They haven't went out for like extended periods of time. They've just went out one day or two days a week and the other times. They've they've did they do. What's called work to rule were were to rule is where they just work. They're not where's that are governed by the contract description to to the T- Guitar Solo to a little bit later to are a little bit. I guess So so it's it's it's been going on for a little while now The the real desires that the the the main points of the teachers walking out have a lot to do with like school safety class. Size teacher support full day. Kindergarten is a huge issue. It's been very successful in in Ontario full day kindergarten Even the actual We've kind of briefly. Mentioned this on the podcast. Actually the rumor that the the conservative government wants to eliminate kindergarten teachers entirely from teaching kindergarten. Just go to early childhood educators instead of actual Interior College of teacher certified educators. Just homeless Certainly that's part of it absolutely absolutely part of it. They just basically say a kindergarten teacher isn't necessary which is obviously ridiculous and there's been a lot of like strange shenanigans going on the most notorious of which is that the Minister of Education You know who's you know buddy buddy with some lobbyists and whatever of course Kinda got one of his lawyer Pals to run anonymous ads in the newspaper. Anti teacher ads in one of the Big Toronto newspapers. And like in so obviously people digging and figure out who it is and who it was tied to because you know this guy this education ministers giant idiot so he couldn't cover his tracks very well So it all back around to basically the Education Minister his buddy starting a little anonymous group to run ADS in Major Toronto newspaper like the ADS aren't cheap. So obviously we knew it was people with money right. Yeah stuff like that is ridiculous to break the teachers just to get. I mean mostly so one of the things. That's different in my mind this time then in a lot of other times and this is actually something. I've I have talked about as it relates to the to. What's how gone in in the states. Is that the. The narrative is completely different. This time where where. The general support is with the teachers as opposed to with the government. The whole you know teachers get the summers off and they have a really easy job. And it's like babysitting Blah Blah Blah and. They get paid so much money. Ellie sets the narrative in Canada and Ontario. You know so why should they can't? They shouldn't be going on strike. You're not hearing a lot of that except for like from the hardcore right people. You're hearing a lot of that this time. So they're definitely losing the narrative war the conservative government. And so you get these ads. That are really pretty hurtful to be honest and and crazy A little bit and You know there are real safety issues like like the one of the things. That's not even being talked about. A lot is the safety issues. Related to class is a so. So there's lots of like hashtags and class. Size matters is one of them. And if you go on Hashtag class size matters you'll see a lot of tweets about how the government is trying to increase class sizes and we know that large class sizes are bad for teaching and learning but one of the things that is starting to emerge in the narrative. Down up here in particular is a class. Sizes are also a safety issue. There aren't a lot of classes where where thirty kids would be like an acceptable room for that amount of people to be working and and you know essentially living in for six to eight hours a day. It's just it's not safe. Have you seen that video by Nick? Veroni yeah you follow him? Have seen that where it's thirty seconds of showing you just. I think for the public to basically just be able to see in thirty seconds. What's the difference? Having twenty five students a dead going north of that to thirty thirty five forty regular sites classroom as you just said it does turn into a safety situation. You know when I say it's bad Nurses like all public sectors getting destroyed by this conservative government. Pretty badly nurses have been actually without a pay increase in Ontario for ten years Which is nuts so that goes back to previous governments to but one of the things that struck me and it it. It struck other people to come up in conversations. Is that a lot of these professions. That are getting hammered by the conservative government. They're female dominated professions nursing healthcare Especially like social work and stuff like that And then and then education which is definitely a female dominated profession and and. I don't know what that is saying from an ideological perspective. Obviously we know that conservatives have a track record of you know wanting to tell females what to do pretty much with everything all the time You know especially related to their personal health. But you know this is this is. It's it's bad up here and I and I don't know you know there's no election coming up like don anytime soon. So there's not a whole lot of political pressure to you. Know for them to negotiate anytime soon so Wednesday in the is it this week the strike so so they've been so they've been walking out. So Cheryl is sheriff part of this for sure. So they've walked out I believe two days two weeks ago in two days last week and they're scheduled the walkout two days this week. And here's the thing. Here's one of the craziest things. If nothing else has been crazy so far. The teachers are asking for a two percent increase in salaries basically commensurate with inflation. The cost of living basically a cost of living increase. Okay and the government is set at one percent. They're they're and they're not moving. That's a big sticking point and they're saying that teachers are asking for too much money when you strike when you go on strike in Ontario and I don't know what it's like but you forego your pay you don't get paid when you're picketing the teachers have already. The teachers have already lost more money in salary than the increase that they're asking for from the days that they've been it would take them three years to make the amount of salary that they've already lost relative to what they're asking for is the difference. It's not about money. The the narrative that the government is trying to put through. Is this idea that it's the they're they're asking for. Money and money is money. It's money which is another way that typical you know negotiation happens is that they they frame it as a money thing. Only if it was about money you know they wouldn't be striking. They would of negotiated already. It's not about obviously not about money because they've already lost all the money that they'll win back and has very little negotiation cycles so You know they tried to get to the table. But the education minister isn't isn't even negotiating right now so it's I mean we'll we'll I guess we'll keep you updated but it's It's not looking to good up here and It's frustrating for people like us. I I'll tell you I can't imagine what it would be like for a husband and wife a family where they're both teachers. That's what we are that it would be. It would be like you see people people will could and possibly will if this goes on longer lose their homes. And you're telling me it's about money like kiss my ass seriously. So it's so infuriating. I'm so mad about it. That I mean people will lose their homes and they have kids and families and lives and they're they're standing up for what they believe in but they're going to lose everything because they're not getting paid. It's not about money it's It's insane so that's what's going on up here man. It's rough I feel like I'm preaching to the choir a little bit but it's important that people know me most of our audiences American but it's I think it's worthwhile for for people everywhere understand what it's like anywhere else too. So it's a lot of the same type of issues to the same types of situations so hopefully it gets resolved. I bid they reached some sort of understanding where addressable as big topics a gross speaking of gross. Yes twitter twitter has Glenn Irvine hot under the collar And and I'M GONNA I'm GonNa just let let Glenn talk about a little bit here. I just don't think I'd been this angry at a really long about something. I should actually. I should not. I should take my own advice. I put these top. Ted Edgy twitter tips of how to get started with a twitter and education. I think number ten is don't take things too seriously Says because there's GonNa be things that are gonNA just row you up in this yet when goings yeah it. It's it's it was. I think we've had the topic of Alice. Keeler on this podcast many times again. They're actually we've supported obvious. What the premise of specific tweet was and some of them. Not so much and in this case it's the not so much Really it's infuriating. Because I have a specific take on this and I know that other people are not going to totally agree with me. But that's okay 'cause this that's our platform here. We're going to basically state our opinion. Why this is a ticket knee off so much So basically I'll read you the tweet. It says this is Alice. Keeler by husband Taught High School English. I think that's important too high school English and never not once brought any work home though lesson. Planning no grading home is home. Time and reading through the threat of tweets. She taught for many many years. According to Alice's up until very recently at talking about like as much as I have taught So in the twenty year age you know something like that to admit. It seemed like it was a extended period of time. Why did he get glanced so fired up? So many reasons. Let me start with number one. You just finished talking about something Super Important Mike. Which is we have this. These teacher strikes and the perception is that teachers teach during this. Basically your work to rule hours. Which are my contract at? My School is seven thirty to three thirty. Different schools have different Contract HOURS AND WE WORK I. I don't know how many days I actually have. It's probably hundred eighty five or something in there somewhere in. Their averages is probably about right But anyway I worked seven thirty to three. Thirty is my contract hours and then I have one hundred eighty five days that I work. Do have a sickly what amounts to about close to three months of vacation time. I view include the summer in the different breaks that I have throughout the year and that I've had a different schools in different states or whatever it might be very similar I do have about three months of of off time. Alice was off our podcast. Fighting for teacher Basically saying hey. We're not getting paid enough in. All of these different states is the same as advocacy that we have had the same advocacy that you are posing right now because you're stating teaching might be contract at seven thirty to three thirty but that doesn't mean that has the hours that you really work and that is because of so many things that happened. That are part of the teaching profession about being professional. Remember that we wore. The shirts are professionals. Well in my opinion to be a professional teacher in anybody that I mentioned for example or anybody that I teach right now at the university level. If I'm speaking to them I say hey by the way home is home time. Make sure I make that distinction right now in. Don't bring any work home. The lesson plan at Your House. Do everything the school during those contract hours at become super-efficient to those things. If that's the case Mike there is a case for the for the other side of this argument for the right wing for. Let's whoever whoever this people are basically the people that don't want us to basically get salaries we really have it so good whatever might be if we are only working seven thirty to three thirty and I earned what I earn which is a significant amount of money for. Let's say a ten months job and you allocate those monies for a twelve month job. Holy God I've make a crapload money but we all know. That's not the truth that we work these extended hours during the weekdays and we work on weekends it we obviously do stuff during the summer to at most of that stuff is unpaid. The premise that it's setting in Alice gets followed by hundreds of thousands of people and other people. Just look in there. Not even following her. They are looking at so. She has great influence as far as in the educational. Sphere especially at edgy twitter. Let us call twitter sphere. She speaks in many schools in many districts. The premise that that sets though that that saying hey. This is what you should be cheating. I think is just wrong. I think it's wrong. It's actually making the case against us as far as talking about how much we do work. Basically outside of the school day outside of the school hours so that was the first thing that was fired me up. The second thing is you starts posting underneath disdain underneath threaded continuously last couple of days where she's taking pictures of her husband is like. Who's the topic of this conversation? Has the chapters of this book that he's GonNa write about. How do you go about doing this? It just reminds me of what you just talked about earlier. Mike. It's an exploit to our job. How do we find the keys now? Should we be as efficient as possible? Yes should we find ways to not great everything we talk about that too not great Absolutely should we hyper focus on grading is really not good? Either the part. That ticks me off those disguise at high school. English teacher or was and there's an important segment of being in a high school English teacher specifically in my wife is one where you have to give students appropriate personalized feedback on their writing to become better writers. You're a writer Mike and Mortar for you to develop that skill like any other skill. You need timely appropriate feedback. That's personalized for you. Not some canned freakin comment from something or something that you know you need something a gives you the inspiration as a writer to go cool. I understand what I'm doing into kind of where I'm at as far as the Where excelling what I need to work on. Plus it makes that connection your teachers your educators working with you to bring you coaching coaching sport Europe. Coaching you up until you become this proficient in this case a writer. Whatever actually might be so. I can see that in that lens of an English teacher where I'm like. There's no way you can do your that. That in that amount of time. She said no lesson planning. I've just I've I was throwing things around the house. I was like what no less of planning no grading. They'll do anything I just think set unrealistic precedent. People that may say hey. Alice Keeler said that this is what I should be. Achieving may find themselves in a really bad situation as far as how they are looked upon how they're administrator actually sees them as far as the work that they're actually doing as far as school. Cancel do this. Yes I do know that they can will. They be an effective teachers. Pose as far as the question in my opinion. Not even frigging close. I mean you can't do it you get it. That's the reason why teachers always talk about. Ask any teacher out there. What's the biggest problem you know as far as in education right now for educators? What what is the biggest problem? They say time. I just need more time to be able to do all of these things. Whatever it is that they're doing be more creative. Come up with things get better feedback all of these types of things in the pull that time in half to extend it out into those hours those after school hours those weekend hours and so on and so forth a freaking. Piss me off Go ahead here because there's a second part to this to that. That was another tweet that came out after this. So what's your commentary so far because there's a part about research studies that were led referenced that parts. I started throwing other things that not all Okay so I don't know if you you are familiar with like Hattie's research right. He did this analysis of basically all kinds of different things Kinds of difference effective teaching techniques. He did this basically a a a ranking call it of what are the most effective things. How All United? I think I did it. The Fed had he's had his research in the Meta analysis is really controversial. Anyway you know as far as he pulled. Thousands of studies in any basically listed out things in priority and like decolonization is like way at the bottom like things to do with equity and racism and stuff like way down. It's like Whoa red flag so there's some things and many other things. I don't think it was never bent to do that. Specifically you know it was never meant to rank things like we talked about Sammer or whatever might be. It was never meant to say this is good. This is bad. It was a Meta analysis of studies in basically they talk about like what are the most effective things on you know on a as far as teaching methods and anyway she said take a look at. Hattie's research if it's below this scale below point where the point for trash it right so of course people ago like off the deep end because there's so many things on point four below agreed no are super important and one of them was funny because it had to do with basically what she does a lot of her career besides being an educator. She is a a a digital tools experts. Let's call it that okay Eh One of the things on Hattie's research on the low end is talks about digital tools and instructional methods after do with online teaching methods. And all these types of things that are Thing so was just so many things so wrong with that and using it in those ways and I understand people are gonNA come back Glenn. You shouldn't get so worked up about this. You know people should be able to if they're not gonNA If they're not going to take at they're gonNA decide they're not gonna do work at home. They should be allowed to do that. You Jess you should be allowed to do that but I should be allowed to call you out and say. I don't think you're doing an optimal job. I just don't. I don't think you could ever be so efficient in the little bit of time that we have as far as at school that you could be a great teacher in that amount of time and many people have. I don't know what kind of prep period you had. Mike Moore if you had one but many people have a prep period. That's a fifty minutes or less and so a lot of schools in the United States or Kennedy seven period schedules there about forty five to fifty minute classes. You have fifty minutes of preparation time each day very little time to be able to basically get all like number one pair for the classes classes. That are coming on lunchtime lesson. Plan give feedback to your students grading than teach six classes You three Day Or your case Utah. Like fifteen PLASCO. You have all these little kids coming in every twenty five hundred minutes. Yeah you have these things and then you're going to do all of that amazing lesson. Planning you gotTa do it all in that about of time. That's allotted to you not going to happen not not at the level that I wanted to go at. It happened at which is what we all should be aspiring towards which is at through my micro near sorry which what we should be as spiring towards which is being the best educators that we can be a kid is going to. They could see our work is there and they can see that kind of like For example I'll give you a quick example. All of the work that I put in doing minecraft stuff at so many kids just off had old years later. Just come say things like. Hey what you were doing there. We know it took a lot of time. But you know what we really appreciate. We remember some of those moments as far as what was happening as far as in class. There's a lot of things. Don't remember about high school in in about things but there's things that. I remember specifically by Class. I would not have been able to do any of those things if I did put in my time after school hours at on weekends and during the summer a naked sure that I really work on my craft to be the best educator that I could be so that's my giant Rant and I know that people you know you I just read some comments even including our guest for next week which Stephen Six. I read some comments of his Ed. He does it have the same. Take B I totally respect. All of you guys. As far as it goes but I had to go off here I. You're the voice of reason here. I don't know if I'm the listen. Listen Alice. The tweet was dumb. I mean only in the sense that it the of the way it was perceived that was like. That's the problem. The real problem here I I can I can and I think Glen would be fine if I didn't unequivocally agree with the premise. That if you aren't bringing home your work. You're not a good teacher. I don't totally agree with that though. I understand the so. The nature of the work is also a distinction here. I did not do grading from home. I ride no grading work home with me. I did teach four hundred kids and I did teach fifteen classes at one point fifteen computer science classes so I am a good model for this in terms of like finding the balance between home life and your work life because I had taught a giant amount of children at one point. I did though do a lot of research. I did a lot of planning. Did a ton of thinking just like writing notes and creating bookmarks in my you know that. I could bring back to school and like figure what to do and especially early on when I didn't have a clue what to do in there. Were like think about what computer science teaching was like like eight or ten years ago? When there wasn't a whole lot of resources I was the dude like compiling resources. Because there wasn't a lot out there I was the one making resources in some cases like that. Qr Code Board that we were talking about Tanya avarice. That was like I did that. Eight and a half years ago when people are still trying to figure out how to do that stuff. So that's the world that I lived in but with that being said I did not bring a lot of very bright. Very little grading home Now also one of the things that are in. This isn't an ad because they're not a sponsor but school g changed my life in terms of being able to assess kids work. I was able to do it so much. Faster this once I once I had an LMS in a proper LMS with a proper grade book and Proper Rubric System Inside the LMS. It changed everything for me. It made my life so much easier. Which is why Even though You know I'll still. We still talk up school g all the time. Even though I'm no longer like a school ambassador and I'm GonNA BASSER IN AT HEART. I guess right right exactly The only other thing and I kinda got fried for this a little bit but this is the part that Steve Isaacs. I kind of agree on. Is that Barton? Keillor's a good dude. He's a nice guy and and I'll tell you I mean. His wife travels the world a lot and they have five kids at I actually once face-to-face asks Alice how they do it and she with the biggest smile on their face like like a loving smile. Not like Gotcha smile but like a nice like it was a nice little moment for her and I she said I have an awesome husband. What she said and she meant it Flato. She said that she said she said it. She said I have an awesome husband quote. I have an awesome husband and I believe it because you know he was teaching when she was doing a lot of like like I. I don't think she travels in does as much as she used to but when she was in that was prime years where she was doing that. Twenty Sixteen. Two Thousand Seventeen Twenty eighteen twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen. Let's say she was probably gone three weeks a month and live bartend. Keeler was holding the house down and working as a teacher. He didn't he was a teacher right up until probably a year and a half ago as far as I know So I just I felt bad for Barton a little bit. Hit being thrown out there in this conversation. Yeah yeah because of a dumb dumb tweet at but the follow ups Mike. Some of the follow hopes to just talking about taking pictures over your husband's shoulder of the book. He's about to write out to tell you how by 'cause 'cause we are to doug to actually understand it you don't have to actually bring it award called bumps but my man get it. I got chapters one through twelve once. You read this book. You're going to be Kosh. I can't believe I was so inefficient with my time. Now I this book right here. I just pay fifteen dollars for this. This saves me so much damn time. I don't even need a worry about to actually work it on the weekends on. How do steps things? I'm actually do it at all during the school day super unrealistic. Add crazy A bad expectations to set for this profession. Which we work our butts off at. It's part of what we ended up doing the reason why we have to do it. As this is kind of timely manner of things timely personalized feedback. That's what I would call it. As far as it goes at her stating that. He was in English. Teacher really was the biggest trigger for me. Because I I live this life with my wife doing this as she uses school g super-efficient doesn't waste time. She wants her off to kids. She works her off. She does all of the things that we all do. You know as far as teaching life. She's working on the weekends as she's working after school does not because she hasn't read. This book is because this is the commitment that you have to have in order to able to do the job effectively. We've actually calculated out to buy She has one hundred twenty students of high school. Suzanne told House okay. Let's say you could actually do that. How much prep time versus. You know the number of students in the feedback that you have to give. How much time could you actually get? It was ridiculous. Basically spending a minute per week on each one student on the feedback that you're going to give to them just isn't enough not not for someone that teaches. English teachers writing composition in your and and the details apt to come from that end the the levels. They're so huge diverse levels from college type of writers to people to students that are still basically bringing up their level to whatever grade. They're actually might be at. So Ed everything in between it just doesn't make any sense and even the digital even like 'cause. I know a lot of the the replies were like you know we used we used. He used digital tools to help them be more efficient and effective. You still have that one minute though. It's one minute to use a digital tool. I mean first off. Let's let's just talk about the fact that using a digital tool versus face to face us less effective less meaningful well by but beyond that what are you going to type with like you know substance in meaning and and and gravity in one minute to not much to be honest. I mean you might. You might type a little more than what might say. But you're still not you know having a meaningful impact there in one minute so so much data to. It lit twitter on fire yesterday on Saturday. I guess it was on Saturday and boy I got you know and I defended Barton a little bit to someone and got lit up even just for like everyone was emotional about it and a lot of different hit. Hit home really bad for me. So that's that's the reason why I get emotional for that. Yes yeah so you know I. It was a it was A. It wasn't the smartest tweet in the world for optics that's for sure even if even if You know and I think that the methods in the the substance of the actual tweet the content is debatable It's it's certainly plausible. Though you know I do understand what you're saying about it not being probable I like using those words. I think those are pretty actor way of saying it is certainly plausible Though not probable and probably not effective But it's certainly plausible but it was more the perception that you know that this person is better than us because he does display in them by the book. We'll tell you how is is tough. It's a tough. It's a tough couple tweets their outlets. But it's what was happening. It's it's starter that's for sure I don't mind. I don't mind the conversation as conversation and I don't mind I think it is. I think a lot of the responses and everything where. We're really interesting as well so when we come back. We're going to talk about the best small conferences in education on the best so stay with us on education is brought to you by fidgets fidgets interactive USB sensors that. Bring your coat to life. There's no soldering or wiring required simply plug in a sensor ranked coating your favorite language and watch your ideas come alive. Fidgets are used by thousands of stem professionals globally and are now available for computer science students simply go to sleep fidgets on education to get your introductory kit that includes a free censor worth over fifty dollars. That's bitterly fidgets on education. Welcome back to education at welcome to the bests every week. Mike night take you to a list of our top things from books. Two Games for people to ideas. You might have foam. Oh missing out on. Fetc or st or Bat in England by there are dozens of amazing conferences. You can go for great learning experiences without breaking the bank or even traveling far. Here are some of the best small conferences in education. Let's get into it so we both into this one. I think serious play is our first conference. I'm going back to serious play. Ice In in Orlando last year they had one in Montreal. Yes they had both. Yeah Oh trail add Orlando. That's amazing so tell us about serious. Play so serious. Play is is pretty much exactly the way it sounds which is actually really cool You know what I liked about serious play was that it wasn't like your typical like and don't get me wrong. The take this just exactly the way. I say it wasn't classroom teachers. It was academics talking about research and like journal articles and like like a lot of like 'cause actually it's funny because we've been talking on the PODCASTS. A lot about evidence based you know theories and the you know if you say something you should back it up with research and like proven fact in serious plays what brings the receipts so like when you go to serious play. You be prepared to go and listen to. Academics Talk About Efficacy Studies. Because it's serious. It's legit Academics and researchers talking about really academic and research based stuff so for example in in. Orlando this summer. Steve Isaacs and I along with Julie Keen who is the director of learning for participate are going to be talking about affinity spaces in gaming so like and we even like like you might name that a different name when if you did that it is see or at Epi. Tc You might call it. You know starting clubs or or or you know creating social groups but you know you use different verbiage in different language when you go to serious play because people are looking for a different type of session that should there so it is a. It is a serious conference. That that has a lot of academics. And and it's it's really quite interesting. It was a it was a pretty interesting experience last year in Montreal so our next one is another one of our favorites. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Small conference because we love Noah Geisel and he runs. This is called the badge summit and he has it perfectly placed a happens at the exact same location as it happens the day before is the actually starts. It's a one day event and what I love about it. Is it gives you that small conference field because it is a small comforts but with all of the huge names so if you WanNa talk to someone that you just aren't going to be able to talk to an issue because there's thirty thousand people running around you go to batch summit you sign up for it. You get to go to their sessions at eight. You get to talk to them afterwards. Maybe even have lunch with them and it is so freaking awesome. We get to listen to these amazing panels. Dissections are are small attend a number of attendees because there is a small number of attendees. But with the greatest presenters that you're gonNA see the next day's upcoming days at Esti without all of the crowds fantastic setting and even though it's called the bad summit. I think no one does a great job on a variety of different topics. It's not just about badging specifically Has To do with a variety of different topics of gamification. There's anything that you might find. That would be discussed at STI. You're gonNA find some types of sessions at at the bad subjects and so really if you are going to go to the anyway you might as well see if you could go heading. Go One day early and get to the bachelor a bit. You won't regret it trusts us. Ed You get a lunch served with that. I almost positive that they they serve a lunch in the day. Like you were on a panel during lunch so you check a luncheon learns session and your lunch you listen to paddle. Listen to these great presenters in speakers of it's fantastic. It's super It's it's serious 'cause it's A. It's a wicked smart group of people cities Present company excluded. But it's also pretty pretty casual in the sense that it's it's very chill. I mean I actually. The funny story of last year right is that I literally rolled in thirty seconds before my session started because it was delayed so I walked into the room. Set my bags off to the side of walked up on the stage and I'm like all right here. We start now like narrow so bad summit is awesome. And we'll be there. I will will have the tables booth and talk to people and I'm sure the will be presenting something there. We haven't really nailed down with no way yet. We'd love to do dig a ditch it but Noah will also be pretty busy you know busy. So maybe we do dig ditches but with someone in Noah's place then we get a cardboard cutout of notice it beside us. We just put them. There randomly turns with point out the next conference on our list was when we went to last year and and It was fairly unanimous. At how great this conferences. You use. 'em summer spark in Milwaukee Wisconsin The home of the homeschool of Mr Mike Mattera yeah. It's an awesome school a lot. There's listened there's a Lotta great presenters in that general area of the United States. John Spike Tissue Richmond Mandy Froehlich You know Mike Mattera Scott with Scott Beater Joe sample approach. It's IT'S A. It's a great conference so the next conference that I was thinking about is a conference that happens in the Albany Troy area in New York so it is called the Games in education. They call it a symposium but I call it a conference whatever type of thing and it is only a hundred to one hundred fifty ish attendees and my goodness Mike. The people that present that this thing for being such a small conference. This is where I met Paul. Darcy Mit John Fallon there. He was present there Dr Chris Haskell was a keynote. They're actually Paul was a key note there too and I think John has actually been one of the keynotes there also and the topics that they present are phenomenal. So if you're into games as far as games in education they do everything from you know what I would consider entry level type of things so you can get going as far as using games in your class to really amazing crazy things that you'll listen to part Paul talk about like Alternate Reality Games and so on and so forth and everything. In between those are the sessions you'll you'll be able to attend. It happens usually at the end of August. So if you are available and you can attend that conference. Highly recommend it. This is the one that I was supposed to go to last year that I couldn't make it to but because Paul and I live so close to each other and so close to Albany. We can drive. I think that I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA hopefully Paul's listening and I can like Pong swing by and pick up. We're GONNA go around go around the lake and and we're in Albany and I would like to go this year. So how bummed. I didn't That I didn't go last year so this is probably the conference that I've experienced the most foam over in the history of conferences was was last year spring Q. So Q is a huge there. There's a spring Q. And I believe that there's a fall Q. Yes and these are the the the the statewide the California education conferences and I believe there are local Q. Conferences as well At least in some of local organizations have have Q. Conferences but the two big ones Are are always always. I'm watching on twitter and on facebook and it's like damn you guys look like you're having just so much fun. Looks up here in especially in spring. Cue because it's still pretty crappy weather in March in Toronto in in Berry and it's like it's snowy hearing you guys are Home Springs California this spring life eighty five degrees. And so that's A. That's a conference that I'm dying to go to Is is one of these Q. Conferences They do a lot of cool stuff with podcasting. Now there are a lot of cool. California podcasters in education I'm thinking of Scott Newness and the the the beer the beer at edge. You podcast that one. Yeah the beer. Edu has at out Those guys are in California as well And I believe one of them is part of one of the organizers so I would I would love to get down to California In go to one of the accused last year during Spring Coucil last March. I was at wonder workshops head office in San Francisco. Oh yeah well about driving down. Flying down could get a ticket for like eighty dollars to five inferences. Go to palm springs because of that much in the UBER JUST TO GET IRRITATED. I was like I have the I have the money but I didn't have the time and I. I wanted to pretty bad though it was it was it was awful. Connect is is the wild card in here. I wanted to give a shout out to Canada's largest ED tech conference it's called connected happens in the the last couple of days of April. It's usually like the last couple of days of April or the first in the first couple of days May It usually overlaps between April and May every year of been lucky to be the spotlight speaker. I was the spotlight speaker last year at connect and I'm a spotlight speaker again this year. A connect which is pretty cool It's it's a small conference by. Us conference standards so probably about three to four thousand people still say oh you know about the same size as as Q. is what I would. I would imagine so bigger than most of these other ones bigger than bigger than badge summit bigger than spark games in education But probably about the size of Q. And so if you live so so even I know like some Americans that come up to connect like Michael. Drastic actually is a staple of connect. He's done he's done Ignites connect He's done tons of sessions at connect and he's there all the time so Michael Jezek is at least one American but I would. I would love to see more if you live in buffalo or Rochester. Where does that happen? International false false false sorry international falls Minnesota so gonNa make it closer to me if you live in upstate. New York connect is connect is a great conference to go to for Americans Even from like if you're in Albany or or New York City You know it's it's not that bad of a drive and and worth worth coming up to to to come to connect it's it is a really good conference so you could always come back to this segment of the best checking out our blog at on education. Podcasts DOT COM or watching it on youtube just searched for on education and check out the playlist. WanNa support on education check out our patriots site at Patriotair Dot com slash on education pod. When we come back one of our conversations from BTC will be speaking with Desert Alexander. Stay with us on. Education is brought to you by the badge. Summit do you have plans to attend the ITCHY conference this summer? Come one day. Early participate in the best hidden gem conference in the United States badge. Summit Twenty Twenty take place in Costa Mesa California on June twenty second there will be many amazing educators to collaborate with on topics such as digital badges credentials gamification and more to learn more about the badge summit simply visit bitterly slash badge. Summit OUR FRIENDS. We are here with Desharnais Alexander. Welcome to the PODCAST Anki. So much. So we're here at fit and year here and for people who don't know you're familiar with your work and you tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do yes. Of course. I'm desert Alexander. I am the founder. Ceo of Educator Alexander Consulting and that brings me around the world. Teaching Teachers Mentors Teachers really on any content. That they may need or want. I go to districts to help them out with certain things that they need and that's pretty much modern life is teachers and Mentor teachers. That's awesome so is it basted. Instructional coaching pedagogy techniques or Santarpio's. Okay I also work with Marina Rockinger for a nonprofit in Louisiana where? I'm based and missing educational nonprofit so I also do trainings for them and it really just depends on what they're looking for so there are a lot of technology. I do a lot of educational leadership. Type Sessions Mindset Classroom management so. It's really it's all educational but it's really depending on what they need at that time. Also people that are looking to get into consulting and branding themselves and do that kind of thing as well as you just. I just had a principal walkup actually to our booth here. Which was interesting thing that she was going to talk to us about the podcast. Whatever might be a she just asked an important question with someone that actually is working with instructing teachers and this hyper focus on social emotional learning and she said that she feels as a principal that that is a contrary which she wants to learn more about and basically Make sure that she has all the knowledge and skills necessary to be able to dress any of these types of things with our students go. Is that what you're hearing to as you traveled throughout the country talking education. We always have these buzz words and these things that come up. I think this is a this is one that is gaining steam for a good reason. We're not teaching the whole child. We're not so we got so tests focused. Yes and we got away from Ashley. Making sure the child was okay. You know that we were teaching so I do think is something that is worth exploring. I do things with healthy student relationships of my educators Not Live some of my educators. Are Looking for those types of trainings. And how do I former health relationship with students how to make sure that my students are getting what they need? How do I make sure that my lessons are culturally? Relevant those types of things so I do think is definitely something that knees more of a focus. Even a conference like this. I've never heard. I love the reframing lately that I've been hearing about like the child who acts out in class in particular and the re framing of that narrative of like that's a signal that those kids need help. Yes and we've never. I've never and I'll admit and that's a shame. I had never thought of it that way but the last couple of years the conversation has really changed around those kinds of things and teaching the whole child Is it's it's huge. It's so important. And like you just said there are things that are buzzwords because their buzzer buzzers catchy and their whatever new technology and whatever and then there are things that are gaining steam because they need to gain steam because we need to be talking about the more SE L. Is absolutely one of them in. Its I mean I love that the narrative is changed and I love the. The people like you are helping change that narrative. It's important right. I I agree. It really is important because you can't really teach a child content if the child is not fully there the child doesn't feel safe the You really is all about them is all about the students. Are we have jobs? That's why we do what we do so making sure that they are actually present in the mind body and so is important before we can teach them English math science totally history and everything else reteaching them. So you're doing a ton of stuff here like I haven't okay schedule like other than the I get but like you look at your schedule and it's nuts so and it's all over the place in terms of like some really good stuff talk a little bit about a bunch of the things that you're doing here because I think there's some really exciting stuff to talk about their okay so why. I've done a couple of workshops yesterday so what I have coming up I have one session on a panel on Friday that deals with your Ed Tech footprint increasing your footprint and it really is all about. How do I do? How do I get appeal in you? Know why increase my pin? How do I begin consulting how I begin this type of stuff? So many people want to get in the field and they're like it's so busy everybody's doing what i wanna do but what. I usually tell my educators is someone needs to hear your voice. Even if I'm saying that exact same thing you're saying somebody needs to hear it from you so there's enough space for everybody in this game. So that's one of the session on Friday. I'm also doing a tech for ministers today grow just concentrating not just. Oh here's a whole bunch of tech tools but just hey these are some of the ways you could actually use it as an administrator walking that campus every day Doing the things that you do every day. I'm also doing Google for productivity today. Which is always my favorite classes Because it's just a whole lot of tips is this tip tip tip tip tip And I tell you some stuff you may know some stuff. You don't sure you're already doing this stuff. Let's do it more productively for sure. So that's another one that I'm doing so Two more sessions tomorrow. I was hard to keep track Without looking at my schedule over Those are Are we talking everything from like? Shemale calendar Russians DACAS. Those kinds of things. Yeah okay different tools and is not like a one in like one tool blah blah blah is. Hey I know you're already doing a search I can do a search better okay. Well you're already using. He's about to decide. You can use calendar. Here's CR just different things that were already doing. Just how do I do it quicker? I neglect that a lot too. I like for example in our orientation for new teachers. There's so many things to cover. I mean we we look. We look through our and we're trying to revamp hours at our district level and we look to the things that we have to cover in such a tiny bit of time and we just neglect some things. We just kind of just either pass over very quickly or just expect someone to be able to use for example. The G mail sweet. Yes we do also use to use it productively as you said and to use it in a way that will help you to make sure that you maintain your schedules and you can follow up on emails. You could categorize the emails at the different things at a lot of us. Are doing that kind of learning. Just like on our own you know. Some people are just struggling with just the abundance of information coming in and not being able to go out and organize it so. That's fantastic thing that I think we we. We tend to just pass over. We think that people should just already know it. Which a lot of us don't we. We have to learn it. You know those things in a couple of as we dealing with new teachers and teachers new Tier District. You don't know what they know. So when you do have to start at a basic level you only have enough. You only have so much time in the day to teach stuff so I think that is where this good professional and development comes from. That is ongoing. So you're not just saying we're going to have it at the beginning of the year. Then oh well help yourself out for the rest of the year so having ongoing pd where you can say. Okay taught you the basis of g mail but now we'RE GONNA go deeper into it so I think that's the that's the key to fighting that we had Ken Sheldon on. Yes just a week and a half two weeks ago. Okay and spent a lot of time talking to him about digital equity. You're on a panel with him. Yeah more about this and this is something that is We talk about on the podcast stuff like this all the time. And we've we've even had like Think-tank talk about like Funding issues with school funding. And this is another one of those things that is being talked about a lot. Now that wasn't talked about it all five years ago and is another one of those conversations that absolutely needs to keep happening Can you talk a little bit about about what you're going to talk about a little in that panel and I mean this is a critical conversation critical conversation and education. So that's kind of the perfect question. I'll pay you later. We're GonNa talk about exactly what you just said. All of these buzz words that come out anti-racism Antibi- is Digital citizenship does your equity all these things and a lot of people don't understand what they mean going further. What does this mean for education? What does this practically mean for my classroom? What should I be thinking about Even when we hear Akron the first thing we think of is raising us all we think of. But there's so much more than that so it's just going through those buzzwords and saying this is what it means and then this is what it means for education and this is a very interactive panel. That will be doing tomorrow And it is really leading. People discuss the terms of his safe-space because not everybody feels like they have the same space to bring it up and discuss it and say I don't know what this means a white guy Yeah so we need have species. We have even ask. The questions is actually and feel comfortable asking the questions. Where do you even start exactly exactly? And that's why like panels like this whereas I know this is a safe space. Ask Ask if it's a if is something offensive. We'll say well you know what how that was phrased as offensive because of like. It's a teachable. Moment the whole point of this and everyone's learning yes. Everybody and if we can't allow teachers to have the space to learn the stuff from the position that they don't know exactly and the world is like a said this before the world is shifting under our feet in so many ways when it relates to equity and it's not just like race we're talking about LGBTQ style within like even the words and the vocabulary is changing. We've been talking this way for thirty forty fifty hundred years in some ways and there are new ways to even say things yes. Everyone is learning and we need to be. We need to give people the space to learn that without killing them. If they get it wrong I feel like I've talked with this. I I work a lot with With a couple trans folk who and I still in. Its almost. Because it's like a tech that I say how you doing man or husband right And it's like I'm not doing that intentionally. I'm not doing that from place of ignorance like at least not in my mind and It's it's getting yourself out creating new habits and create new mindsets. Yes I think and I'm so happy that people like you and Ken and and these other groups are leading the charge to like ref- refrain but give people the space to reframe it right amazing. How can people connect with you online? Learn more about you. Where do they go if they want to connect with you? Yeah so I actually want to go back to surf. I'll talk about that but I like you said the word is. The world is shifting things that always kind of come back to is it has shifted. We're the ones that's catching up. And everything is has thankfully changed and differently and things like that and we're the ones playing catch up making sure that We are using the right terminology that we are having the right mindset and I think the biggest thing is just being open to that is to being open to saying well you know what. I don't know everything I need to learn. I think that's the 'cause there's not everybody doing that. Not Everybody's being colored during completely honest so having that mindset to be opening is step one two three four and five. So how could on twitter? I'm an educator. Alex every other social media educator Alexander so twitter. Facebook instagram everything. Else periscope YouTube My website is educated. Alexander Dot Com. And my email is educator. Alexandra g mail or desert educator Alexander DOT COM so literally. Everything is educator Alexander. We're GONNA find twitter educator. Our all that information in the show notes. Yes Disarray. Alexander. Thank you so much. 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Call your students and your classroom three you say Steve. How can a deal is this might this is the best deal? I've ever seen darn it is so that you are looking in his class craft dot com slash on education. Use promo code oh. An epi sixteen dollars off their subscription price and get the class pack for free. You can open a browser. Keep listening so get on it. Welcome to on education special coverage of FETC twenty nineteen. I'm Mike Washburn. And I'm Glen Irvine friends. We have an awesome pot for you today. Right on location. We are actually standing by the main entrance here in Orlando. It's a semi beautiful day. Well, it's still cloudy, but it's still more beautiful than it isn't Minnesota or candidate for bury. Yes, we're we're sorry to our wives or jelly apologize sort of kinda. So this is an exciting day. This is day. One were I'm really pumped to see south con tonight. Yes. This after noon, I guess, yeah. He's going to be in a couple of hours. He's the keynote speaker here. It's I think an hour and a half that he's going to speak. And I'm interested in listening to what he says it's been talked about a true innovator in at tech. Right. Yeah. Rockstar. Yeah. Super rockstar. So we have a lot of stuff coming your way. I think actually we've changed. We've just called an audible in the last half an hour. Hour, and I think instead of doing three special episodes. We're going to end up doing four potentially. Yes. We have a full one our regular episode coming as well. Coming up today. Yes on I guess today's Monday. And so you're going to get a lot of stuff we're going to be talking to on this episode. We're gonna be talking to Steve ISAACs, Jess and his wife, Kathy. And then tomorrow, we're going to have tissue Richmond. Yes. Rachel Russia Rachelle. Yeah. And Noah Noah Geisel for sure. And then we just have all kinds of other people lined up tons of super excited about being able to come visit us here. And then be able to share what they're what they're talking about. It there sessions, and what's you know, what's happening in their worlds, and we should give a out to class craft. I mean, they they helped us get here. And you're gonna hear you're going to hear about a great deal that we have in our ad, and we just wanna. Them for for letting us letting us do this work with them. It's going to be super exciting super exciting. If you haven't already tried outclass Cup. You can have there's a free version of it. We're actually with that code that we advertise you can sign up, and then get a significant discount on that yearly subscription, and there's so many different ways of being able to use it. You should check it out. So coming up next, Steve ISAACs and Kathy Chow ISAACs. All right. Welcome back to the podcast everyone. We're I'm really excited to be with Steve and Cathy ISAACs who are here at C. And they're presenting all of the time. So for anyone who doesn't know you guys, why don't you? Introduce yourselves tells tells the could do different things, and and you're you're doing very cool things so television what you guys do. I'm Kathy Chow ISAACs. And one of the things that I do is. I'm a professional learning specialist with I two e insight to execution than also the educational technology and community content specialist for event called mine fair, which is the official community event for this little game called craft. Wow. Love it. If you haven't been to a mind fair, people should go to mind fares. I haven't been to a mind fair. So I'm waiting. I think we're done. Interview is over. We can only talk to. I will be leading the rest. Steve it's binding Steve ISAACs I teach game design and development at William and middle school in basking ridge, New Jersey, I really think I have the best job on the planet about ten years ago, or so I asked my supervisor and principal if I could bring a full semester elective of in game design, and luckily, they were supportive, and it's just been awesome. You know, really great experience with kids and seeing what they can do. And we, you know, give them -tunities as part of that. I've also been involved in research on virtual reality in the classroom, and augmented reality and doing a lot with content creation with kids in that realm. So that's been been super exciting lately. And in with Cathy, I am the producer for mine fair. So we got a lot of things. We have more ends. I don't know if these are part of the questions. E sports. All right. So question, I've been really it's about the things that I'm very passionate about or you know, we'll game base learning in general, but he's sports in education, and really bridging the gap between k twelve and college. So we have a community called E sports EDU that's really trying to bring those people together. And you know, my middle school we have a game club. And now have been competing in rocket league. As a spin off for competitive gaming, and we're starting a club at our high school. So got that going on so. Yeah, there's I mean, we got a lot going all the good things. So the good everything good. Well, I don't want it to add one more thing. But your game design is also finally next year going to be brought to the high school, right? Oh, the courses. Yeah. That's been tastic. Yeah, we forever. I've wanted things. So we have this program in eighth grade. And then kids go high school like what can we do now? And I've been really pushing and finally next year I'll be teaching two sections of it up there. So now. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of led down when they get to high school, and they can do the same. There's right. There's some of that yet. And what's what's so cool is my vision for the high school program is that kids can take it multiple times. I mean, I don't care if we call it game design one two three four then you know, to really create that game design studio experience where kids are working collaboratively onto even different levels. You'll have some of the more experienced kids as project managers, and that's been out. It's going to be really cool. Oh my goodness. So it's Monday. It's monday. I think and and you guys just finished back to back toback sessions all in the same room. Thank god. You didn't have to like go places like like to the north hall, which is like to walk from here. So tell everyone a little bit about what you just talked about. If you wanna go through the three three sessions a little bit. All right. So I guess the three sessions were part of the CS firehose. I guess Microsoft. It's parched. It's part has something to do with Microsoft. And I forgive me for not knowing exactly what it is. But so the first session was bringing physical computing to any classroom. Second one was creating in Minecraft you though, Muslim Mike captain code Bill coat builder. And then the third one was our big cooder make code, arcade. Like, what was that called? It's an arcade something. Yeah. And so that's the latest piece of the my make code family. So really it was all about make code which is Microsoft's learn to code tool, which is fantastic, it's free. It's available cross platform, which I love on the physical computing side. I mean, like Cathy was able to show you know, what you can do with the micro bit and the circuit playground. And there are other devices that you could program directly with make code, and then, you know, bridging that next session on Minecraft the things to do with coding in Minecraft with make Kotor pretty awesome. So like think of it, you know, we've got kids already super excited about mine craft. And now, you give them this environment. We want them to learn to code. But why not you know, let it be super relevant to them. So they're coding things to happen in the game. Yes. Which is great and then make code arcade, dictators. Really dug though, we passed around a prototype of a little arcade. Looks like a GameBoy that you can flash the programs too. So kids are. Creating arcade games and actually being able to play him on a physical device. So we're gonna talk about that in a second. But I wanted to talk about I've seen you do this before on Twitter, by the way, we should talk about twitch. This is blowing my mind, but the chickens falling from the sky right is something you've done before. And I think it's so fun. And it was great that everybody. Lively, you get them with that crowd crowd-pleaser for sure. So nothing's purposely save that to the end. Thank you and good night. Without falling from the sky. I was sitting beside Noah, and we were thinking about other frogs and Minecraft no frogs not yet. Because then you replicate that that makes. That's good. So bizarre. So cool, but the device that little little controller those are super cool. Yeah. Yes. Super cool. It's kick it over. And it's so it's so simple. Really? You know, what I mean by today's standards, but it makes so much sense that they were smart enough to make one. But I mean like because it's kind of like, you know, coming. Some like almost like a Maki Maki type thing. But it's, but the beauty is with the screen built in game on it and handing it to your friend. This is the game. I made. I mean, that's just cool. Yes. Yes. So that the vice if people are listening right now, I don't know what we're talking about is basically like a little mini GameBoy. Hey, it's Ross form. Yeah. It is. I mean, there is one available. The brain ring pop. Not pump. No, bring party rain, something not pop. We love brain pop up. But it's not that's not the company that makes this that they do have. So it's improta type. It is. Oh, that's the label. It's on it as well. I thought was had. Carried on the on their website. You could at least put in your get notified when it saleable. Salable green pad. A little PCB, and it's got little buttons on cool. Very very neat. And love the coolest part. I mean, would you showed us how simple it was Steve was up there presenting and he made a little character on a digital screen using code. And then you just plugged in this device in it poured it right to the derisive. We could play the crowd. I mean this crazy. That's what's so neat about all the stuff kind that make code is doing with the physical computing because I think they're trying to make it just that acceptable. Yeah. Eight it's like seamless. Yeah. So like another when you like there's it's funny 'cause there's an emulator. I mean, you could see everything that's going to happen on the screen, which is great. But then there's something magical about you know, real quickly. Like you're saying Glenn just bring it down and look here flashing lights like real. And that's what really makes it real. I think because I mean, there's so many times like, oh, it's just on the screen. You know? I mean, I always think about the management of devices and things so it's great to say. Okay. Well. Tested out here. And when you have it working in that cement simulator environment inmate code and then flash it over instead of being like, you know, 'cause we'd the, you know, there's always the cost of devices that to be a factor in bringing these things into your classroom. So. You know? So it's like if you wind up only having one, you know, still awesome. That is it's not that. It's awesome. But it's like I feel like sometimes someone will think teacher will think. Well, you only have one a can't do this in my class. I'll say only one, but yes, you can with the mid code. It's like, oh, everybody can do it. When you're ready to flash. It's the reality too. Is that when you want because when you're having kids code and make games and stuff you want them to be testing and retesting so doing all that with the simulators fantastic. But then when you're ready, right? And I think that if you yeah, I mean, if you have if you introduce it too soon, then a distraction because the suspi flash. Uh-huh. So you guys have more sessions that you're working on on Wednesday and Tuesday and Tuesday. Yes, so toes of about those the good news is ten. Tomorrow's is is pretty similar to one of the ones today. So tomorrow, we're doing another session. So if you missed it jeeze, here's your chance on that's the one on on eight of coating with my creative outing with mine cracker. Yeah. So Mike left, and and and code builder and then on Wednesday. We have a session on Minecraft and social emotional learning is really neat. There's just so many tie-ins that especially what's cool. The coolest part is. When you start hearing what other teachers are doing I kinda pull from that community and people do neat neat things that tie in SEAL. And then I was asked to present on east sports, which will wrap up our day on Wednesday. And kind of the idea of is your school ready for any sports program like bringing it to your. School. So another thing I'm super excited about so we have a little bit to to still prepare and a exciting rest of the week. Couple of days of stuff. So what's the I mean, I know you're super busy. But what types of sessions, are you planning on you guys planning on attending there because there's some really amazing people here mazing keynotes where you excited about going and attending a session. Well, I'm excited to see a cell con. Yes. Me too. And I guess we ran into Adam bellow and Kathy shrunk lists morning at breakfast excited to see their session. David session called was tech share share. That sounds like it'll be great. I love that kind of stuff, you know, one session where we're gonna find out a lot of great things that, you know, great people are starting to dabble in. I mean, I saw a lot of very look great lot of coding things. But that's the stuff that I likes load if so I mean, it's hard to stay away. Again. It's funny. I keep hearing people talk about a certain session like who. I wanted to go to that. But I will say would time permit. Yes. But there's. A lot. I mean, look at this book. I know this book I. Shopping because when I registered it was a little too early for me to decide between paper or or the like, you're asking me a question like I can't. Sessions not quite Sears catalog. And there were just great stuff. So I- gosh. Yeah. But what we have to see. We definitely have to see our friends at brain pup. Yes. Yeah. It just looks so great. I mean, there's some coding with the ipad. And I guess there's some rumors that new ipad. So they can you ipad, many might be coming market. I saw that on the news of recently, so exciting super excited also about be I want to connect with certain people like I'm very eager to chat with the people at coast spaces and merge. One of the projects, I'm working on his grant project to bring like VR AR X are Hackett vaughn's to middle school students and coast bases. You know, seems like it just might be a really great tool for that. And I've had kids start to play around the Pat as well. So it's great to be able to catch up with people and go meet him directly at all. I wanna vent fantastic. There's a ready player one session inside the mind. Movie ever. Quoque ever off. It was. Okay. Right. Euro. The movie what I love. Good for entertainment. Like, I read the book also before it was different. And I knew the movie was going to be different going. So. Funny. That's that's a that's a dead horse that we've beaten more than oh you had sorry for adding. No, I I was the one who puts it. So how can people contact you get in touch with you or reach at your or connect with you in all of the various ways easiest I would say his Twitter at Mr. which is like an M R underscore ISAACs. I S A C S happy to email's fine to Steve at mine. Fair dot com. But Twitter's like my home, and my Twitter is at I wear the crowns or than one and Email is okay. I it's okay. So. Oh, no. You could do I wear the crowns at gmaiLcom. There are so many emails from. That's what. And that's right. Keep with the branding before we end this interview. Here have something to ask you guys. Are you guys fans of Buffy the vampire slayer? I saw that the other what ideas? I know who Buffy is. But I don't think I've watched a single. Should I be? Yes. Watching it on Netflix. Oh, goodness. You should. Yes. Start at the beginning. And it doesn't what I've told people is that even though it was made in late nineties early two thousands. Whatever may be it still is relevant like as far as. The humor in his snark. Yes of it. Just give it really really. Well, when you're like, okay. Mike says he's never seen it. I just was like I can't be your friend and one of the soda fan of nineties edginess. So I don't know. Totally missed the Buffy boat. Yeah. You get right back on seven votes. Seven seasons. So we're going off an hour or an hour. They are our episode. But but without commercials, though. I'm going to have to read the Pacific side. I can't I. Well, I mean, that's what I do. Like, I like, I don't know that much time because rate. But I get I get impatient. Okay. So it's like I watched the whole hour have to let me know when it blows you away from watching every episode one after another inching. One point when it clicks. And then I'll. Told you. Yeah. Oh, thank you. So much.

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FETC 2019 Special Coverage | FETC Day Three | Rae Hughart & Michael Cohen

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FETC 2019 Special Coverage | FETC Day Three | Rae Hughart & Michael Cohen

"The official sponsor for educations, FDIC, twenty nine hundred coverage is class craft and in light of such awesome information, we decided we needed to enlist some backup for this ad. So it was as rat as possible. And since we're all here in front of the pod. Steve ISAACs is here with us. Steve how many class craft quests? Have you made Glenn? My entire eighth grade course is comprised of class craft quests every made Stevens made over a million class craft quests, and they're all amazing. If you want to try one of Steve's million quests, we have unreal deal for you in the history of best deals. This is number one from now until the end of February on education listeners could go to class craft dot com slash on education and use discount code. Oh. An epi TC to get sixteen dollars off a yearly premium license, but that's not all right clan. Right, Mike, you also get a free class pack, which includes two posters and fortieth stickers free. Call your students and your classroom free. You say Steve. How can a deal is this might this is the best deal? I've ever seen darn right? It is. So that you are looking is class craft dot com slash on education. Use promo code oh. An epi TC get sixteen dollars off their subscription price and get the class pack for free. You can open a browser. Keep listening so get on it. Welcome to on education third and final few T C two thousand nineteen th special episodes. My name is Mike washroom. And I'm Glen friends. We have an awesome pod for you. Today. We will recap the epi T C conference, including our conversations with hyper Mike session on eastwards with Steve ISAACs, and our treacherous journeys back home to the cold treacherous is right. Hey, you know, it's funny. I was talking to someone else that was in Orlando. I haven't come across someone and they were complaining about the weather too. So it wasn't just us wish and it was a little bit. It was a little bit warmer. Apparently, someone's that it was like the worst weather is been in Orlando in like six months or something like that. Well, just bad timing. Yes. It wasn't too bad for us. But I mean, it was rainy. And kinda I've felt bad for the people that were there for -cations, right? Bad for Orlando in certainly yes hundred percent felt bad for the people. Like, we we heard. People at at least at the place we stayed out which was like a more like a re touristy like super resort type place. There's obviously people from all over the world where we were saying. Yeah, probably were paying like a small fortune to be there, and it was pretty crummy weather, most of the time. Yeah. So there I guess Tuesday. Yeah. No, yet Tuesday was pretty nice actually it was in the afternoon. The sun the sun finally came out, right? A lot of flights got delayed heading home though. Yes. Luckily minded did. Not did yours. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I was delayed two or three hours. But was John spikes flight got cancelled? He didn't even he might not even be home yet. Hopefully, and then and then I got into a car accident. Yeah. That's crazy. So kind of got got driven off the road by obviously a very angry transport truck driver. Well, so I think my car is pretty much written off, and I didn't get to bed until probably. Seven thirty or eight o'clock the next morning. So I was up probably for twenty seven or twenty eight twenty six or twenty seven hours. I was j pretty rough. Yeah. That's crazy. But I guess I mean in general, I mean, I'll tell you. I I've I every time I think what the accident. I forget about it. And think about how awesome the week was other than that. Everything was great the accident, the car and that all work itself out. We had a pretty RAD week fantastic week. Lots of amazing people that we got to connect with and the podcast, obviously was doing really well, so yes, fantastic week and our table kind of ended up being like the hang out place for some people. They would just come and chill and sit and even if we were recording. There was people that just kind of sat and worked or listened and laughed and smiled and nodded. Everyone was quiet, thankfully, and even the sound wasn't too bad at the table. So all in all I mean, it was it was pretty fun. It was pretty. Cool. I hopefully, we can lean into that kind of hang out table a bit. It is St. and making it more of a thing. Once we have a bit of better presence at a at a table. I guess yeah. No. I mean that would be fantastic. If they actually had locations for the podcasts because it did make a big difference just to have a spot where people could go to and even if it was like ours was basically in the middle of a bunch of people. The sound was still pretty dang good for having a bunch of people around you doing their own thing. One hundred percent hundred percent. So you laughed on Tuesday. Yes. And then Wednesday, I tell you I wasn't expecting to be busy at all on Wednesday a ram -i. My my coworker was was with me, and we were planning on kind of walk in the floor and looking at a bunch of things I'm gonna talk about one thing in a few minutes. But I ended up Steve ISAACs just kind of randomly said, hey, do you want to get up on stage and talk with me about east? Sports. I was like. It kind of worked out really. Well, that's crazy. It was pretty fun. I mean, we so we sat at the table and hammered out a Google slide for about four. I joked with them for about forty five minutes of prop work. I feel like we did. Okay. I mean, we kind of we know what we're talking about obviously. But we literally just sat at the table in M between two and two forty five. We figured it all out. And then we went up there at three and just laid it all down. It was pretty sweet and big decent grou- to. That's great. Yes. So east sports conversation. Yeah. I mean, we we talked about, you know, the groups and and how you can get support. If you're looking to start and kind of we talked about Steve's roadmap, and and how he's kinda implemented it already, and we talked about kind of the roles that people can play in an e sports ecosystem, the idea that not everyone has to be the actual video game player, which is a super like that's my favorite part to talk about is that not everyone doing east sports has to be playing the actual games. And in fact, there's tons of jobs and responsibilities. If you Bill that would a proper east sports ecosystem at a school. You can you can absolutely have so many different roles for people to play something that touches kind of everybody in in kind of captures almost everybody's interest. And that's I mean, that's an amazing advantage. And then we talked about the challenges thing. Things that are, you know, difficult things that you may not even be thinking about, you know, it's not just, hey, let's go play some video games at school. There's there's quite a few challenges. We talked about things even as complex as bandwidth. I mean and devices I mean, how you're gonna get twenty fifteen twenty Xboxes or twenty or fifteen different PC's that can handle the games that were playing. I mean, not every not every school PC can play overwatch right now. And most of them can't. So you you there are so many logistical questions. We don't want to scare people off, but we did want to create realistic expectations. We wanted people to understand that. It's not just about, you know, saying, hey, I want to start playing video games at school are doing east boards there. There is quite a lot to think about so hopefully, we helped we did share the Google slide if you scroll through my my Twitter feed, you'll probably see or even in the F. Hashtag you'll see where I posted the the show or the slide deck it's a bit link. If you if you really wanna see it, and you can't find it just send me a DM on Twitter, and I'll I'll hook you up with link. Yep. Absolutely. That's super cool opportunity and a great topic to be talking about. Sweat else. So we walked the floor ramming an I, and we came across the only I mean, what did you think of what did you think of the floor with it? I loved it. I love you. The share your thoughts. Did you have any thoughts on the floor itself? Think it was a typical conference floor. Yeah. I'm not a big fan of know going in doing the typical thing, which is I think a lot of teachers go to these things. So that they can pick up the goodies. You know, the pans intense oils, t shirts and badges stickers, whatever it might be which go for it to that. Super awesome. Not a big fan of of doing those things. The only the things that I liked to do are is if I need something or need to find out more information about a specific thing to bring back to our school, but it's a sales pitch. So I mean, if you go to those things, you know, that if you pick something up you're gonna you're going to be told about a product in. And have any clout at your school to be able to purchase things you're really going to be sold on the products. Because that's a big thing. You know, his right. Demonstrating those things in Nana at being able to connect with their customers. You seem pretty into what near pot is doing. Yeah. Especially the new the new stuff. Yeah. Near pod is always a I think it's the best tool. If you're going to still do directed structures win a lot of teachers still do direct instruction for the majority of the time. So it's the best tool out there to be able to make sure that you have student voice in your classes, you know, you can formative we assess very easily so it it's it makes it easy on the teaching side plus gives you data right away. As far as whether students understand something or not it can be used on pretty much anything. So I like that too. Even the free version is pretty good. They paid version is even that much better. So a lot. Good things about near pot. I enjoy them I Ramey, and I have been talking about a lot of different things. One of the things we've been talking about is just our office environment. So it was to kind of go around and get some ideas on how a good I we have this like big interest, and we've talked before about like teachers and classroom spaces for working we've talked with that a bit before. But the other side of this coin is is the collaborative working spaces for the the actual like for the actual teachers like like offices and staff rooms and stuff like that. And and collaborative spaces so ramming I have been talking about that. So it was needs to get some really interesting kind of lay out ideas and furniture, ideas, that that may help us, you know, if we decide to remodel the office which were talking about and that was cool and the other. Cool thing. I saw was I and they're gonna they're they're really kinda new company called piper now pie top was a sponsor of FETC their actual name was on the bag the swag bag. And I and I have one sitting right beside me. I got I got a pie top. So the pie top is a laptop that you, and I was just showing Glenn. It's great for great for audio guys. I'm gonna I'm showing Glenn on the camera show. Glenn on the candidate you open up the keyboard? And you can see the the the components on the inside. Right. So you connect the the raspberry pi and all of these things together and it runs on a raspberry pi operating system, I mean, pretty sweet so piper is kind of geared towards younger kids in has a similar idea. So it's a it's kind of a maker laptop in it's made out of. Would it looks really cool like super neat quality it folds up into like a really neat. Kind of carrying case has the same operating system. It looks like as the pie top has this raspberry pi operating system, and you can use Minecraft in it, which is super neat. I didn't even know. I didn't did you even know there was a Minecraft raspberry pi I did only because we had a kaneohe. Do you ever seen? That's basically, it was like one of the first kind of put it together computer systems, you plug it. You put it all in the you connected to a monitoring. It's so computer teaching coding, and then it had a Minecraft components to it, which it wasn't real buying Kraft. They was a coding version of Microsoft interesting. Yeah. So yeah, there's there's Minecraft raspberry pi in it's built into this OS. And when I really liked about it. I think you might get a kick out of this. You would have gone to kick it to this. They they had a a blueprint in. It was big. It was a huge like folded out full that out. It was easily probably four feet by five or six feet. Big huge piece of paper that you fold it out, and it was kind of styled in like, an engineering drawing. So it was blue and had the the crisscross kind of grid. But it had all these drawings. How of how to assemble the piper? And it was really neat to look like it would look really cool on your wall. And I was thinking about how like a teacher, especially like a computer science major could like have that owed on the wall. And it'd be really great as a reference chart just you know, how computers are made. It's something that even a computer science major. I never taught my kids my students how to build a computer. And it's kind of a regret to be honest. I said to the guys pipe I wish I had this five years ago because to to show kids how to build a computer in the past. You would have had to literally like bring in case and get some components and put it all together, and you had to make sure everything works, and you'd have to rely on people donating things to you because just to go out and buy a computer would to build and tear apart. All the time would be expensive. You know? So this was really neat. And I would love to have one of those big giant piper schematic charts on the wall. I think it would be really cool in a computer science classroom. That's good. Yeah. It was really neat. It was really really neat. I'll I'll I'll post a picture of a I'm getting a piper sent to me, and I'll post a a pitcher of it. When when I get it. So you can see how cool this this image was they've got a curriculum and everything so I was really impressed. I mean, it takes a decent amount to impress me in. This was super impressive really really liked really really like that. Anything else? Catch your eye. Anything else? You're thinking about after this though, glad to be home. I mean, it's good these things. But then it's all right right to be back in the routine, even if it is freezing cold here. So when we come back, we'll be talking to rake you're from teach better team. And Michael Cohen, the tech rabbi, we're gonna be talking about his awesome new book. So stay tuned. All right. Welcome back to the podcast everyone. We're joined by Ray Hewer from teach better team. Welcome paying have stoked to be here. So Ray, can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Tell us your story. What you do where you're from all that cool stuff? Absolutely. I'm a sixth grade teacher in central Illinois. Actually, I'm a sixth grade math teacher and issue that I'm also the director of training and development for the teach better team, which for me is a vessel to connect with more teachers sometimes we're working on mastering precise learning. Sometimes we're we're talking about Tekken ration-, sometimes I'm going into the teachers rooms and we're talking about community stakeholders and bringing the community into the classrooms, but regardless of what we're doing. It's always fun to fill my schedule with great passionate educators. I always tell people if you can imagine the teacher that really made an impact on your life, the one that actually taught you. Skill that you use and vividly. Now, remember as something that was valuable that you learned I get train this teachers, so amazing. So teach better team does a ton. Like you guys do a ton of time. So let's do the elevator pitch on what teach better team does. And then we'll dig into more specifics. Sure. So the teach better team was founded by two incredible gentlemen, actually, located in the Ohio area. And it was all because one of the gentlemen, chatter, Scott. She was having the worst year teaching of his life. He hated everything about the classroom, and essentially within a position that I think many educators find themselves in where they say either I need to leave or a new change. And so he invented a mastery framework that allowed students to master content before moving forward since he finally was finding a way to take flipped classroom in and everything that teachers have been trying to do and put it in a framework that allowed to work no matter who was running it. Yeah. And then so they decided that they were getting a lot of questions. Everyone was asking him for training. And they said may we should start a company. Lingerie short. They've built this incredible professional development group for teachers, and I was hosting a Twitter chat. No kidding t-. Lap chat. And I bumped into just ARGUS on Twitter, and from there, we've formed a partnership and now the teach better team is essentially built on the pillars of helping teachers teach better whether through mastery learning or community engagement, so that's awesome. So most of the listeners know that I'm a huge proponent of free resources open, Ed resources and teachers basically sharing with each other. So can you tell our listeners about everything teach better team is doing when it comes to some free resources everything? No. I mean outside of the Twitter chat. We do every week outside of our podcast. We have a number of different areas on our website that we give teachers free Steph because the whole point is not to make a buck. Like you were saying it's really just to share as much as possible that we can reach more students. So we have a free stuff tab. It's nothing is literally called free stuff is it is even though we've been on the, and it has everything from, you know, downloading how to do a retake effectively in your classroom to badges and everything in between. And then we actually just released within the past year or so teach better academy that has free online courses that teachers can take for credit who in their district. We have a ton on there already and into nineteen. They'll be twelve new courses that will be released this year. So it's all just trying to hearing what teachers need and getting them that support resources this just thanks. So you. So you guys also offer a lot of PD. And I'm I'm doing a lot of PD now. So I was looking up what you guys do. And I I love and you mentioned like community engagement and stuff. I think that's super interesting utilizing social media in the classroom is super interesting fascinated with with classrooms that used social media. My wife does a little bit cheesy as vine alive the day taking videos over, but it was talk a little bit about the PD stuff that teach better team does because I think that's super important. We talk about PD a lot on the podcast as well. So doing there, we did professional development on anything a district needs to be honest. However, so in my classroom might south little strange my students operate around themed internships sponsored by local businesses to learn their content, and it's all done in a mastery framework that allows them to move at their own pace. So when you break that down that kind of comes into what we do. About men on sometimes with all together. And sometimes when you break down into this pieces, we do professional development on just small components one is the grid method. It's a mastery framework that students can actually get the personalized learning that they need, and that's all scaffold for the teacher and for the students, and what I like about it personally when I was dabbling with it as a teacher was not just the development of the lesson planning that obviously is important. But then the implementation is a part of the training. So it's fun to be able to get into teacher's classrooms and help them do that. The other piece is our teach further model, which is the community gauge -ment where we're teaching teachers how to purposefully partner with stakeholders in the communities, so fun. I mean that foreign jam under ran well. And if you can imagine I mean, one sixth grade student going through twenty five named internships. They're building resumes. They're collecting business cards had students. Yeah. Exp. Students that have gotten there then job through the connections. They made sixth grade math class this ridiculous funny. Much like this. I was literally just talking with tissue at breakfast about students finding their passions and taking any sort of path to find your passion. And and every student's passion is different. And so like a community engagement program. Let students like you said twenty five whatever multiple internships lets them. Discover what they're into and then lean into that. Right. But you don't if you don't get that community engagement, you don't get that opportunity. And then you have kids of they're being shoehorned into university shoehorned into like, they're doing fine arts degrees when they really wanted to be a history major something like that. Well, and that's the whole point you're trying to organically build in real world in a classroom students that are never exposed to how to give a proper handshake until they're in college. So how can you organically embed icon? Packed and writing in a proper tone into a math class, and the answer is well, you can you just have to frame it in the purpose Brel of purpose? So it's really fun. And I I'm a huge proponent of not living and 'isolation our whole world is interdisciplinary. So you can kind of bring that into your classroom. It's pretty powerful. So podcasting is pretty fun pie. Guessing is fun. So you guys have your own podcast. What do you think? Let's talk about the experience. So what do you think? What do you enjoy about high? We know what we enjoy about like about podcasts. Well, selfishly. I honestly, I am a talker. I can sit and talk on whatever platform they need. I had an IEP growing up in reading is just such a struggle. But if you can let me talk about it, I'm in a good position. So just ARGUS. And I started the teach better talk podcast in August, actually, pretty recent. And I just wanted to see what it would be like. And now, I I can't believe that we're connecting with incredible educators to be honest funding. Everybody's story. Awesome. Ray this has been RAD. Thanks for joining us. How can people reach out and get in touch with you guys? Sure, I'm all over and at ratio Wirtz winter and Instagram Facebook, we have an incredible Facebook group called teach better team that any educator. That's looking at apple and anything mastery base anything we're working with community can join and obviously the better team is also the handle for our Twitter and Instagram for them as well. So plenty of good people to reach out to. You'll Ray Ray Hewitt everyone teach better team so much. Thanks. Thank you. All right. Welcome back to the podcast everyone. We are thrilled to be joined by second time appearance on the podcast floor. The tech rabbi Michael Cohen, welcome to the show man straight severe here. Excited to do this live. Yes, right. Face. Face. Can you tell for anyone who doesn't know you or or hasn't met up with you? Tell us a little bit about yourself your story. What you do? Yeah. So I never thought I'd be an educator. And I think it's important to share that. Because there needs to be more opportunities for that profession to be put out there, as, you know, have you considered this you have a gift for helping others for nurturing for mentoring and to consider that. So I started, you know, my professional career as designers doing design marketing brand storytelling for nonprofits. And I taught a class at fashion institute in Los Angeles, and the students gave Justice this very unexpected feedback. Which was a support helped me be independent gave me the tools that I needed to really be able to solve. The design problems on my own and the the head of the department. I guess doesn't get that kind of good feedback. The professors, at least the ones this was like their first two courses ever teaching I read and I fell in love with it. The idea that I could help and more and more and more I entered into the realm of education to the point that I became a director of education technology for a K eight school Harkin hill Hebrew, academy in Los Angeles area. And I had to really make a choice is this what I'm going to do this in my real calling in life, and I kind of pushed aside, the design and actually at a certain point abandoned, it almost completely choke assessing on building my skills as a professional educator. I got a master's degree in education and just really trying to find ways to become a a strong educator in every way that I could. And then I launched this brand the tech rabbi as I started to speak here. And they're at different conferences, people enjoyed it. But what they really enjoyed was. My slide decks that we're all for the most part hand illustrated digitally illustrated designs with almost no bullet points on the slides at all. And what what results it now is realizing maybe I went to art school and pursued this career in design because I was meant to infuse that into the world of education. So I ended the two together to the point whereas able to reflect on ten years in the world of education and write a book called educated by design and an hour sitting here together solicitation about the books, and I actually think it would be great to talk about the process has I have an interest in this. And I do some writing myself, what did you feel how do you feel about the process? What did you enjoy about? What was that experience? Like, it was unlike anything I'd ever experienced before. Really? In the beginning. I wrote a lot of content. I think I had about thirty thousand words put together. And I was pretty proud of it. It was you know, this, you know, Ed tech innovation like, this is an is submitted it to a couple publishers some didn't even respond to me and Dave Burgess who is now my publisher. So it's a cool story to tell he he turned down the first manuscript really said, it's really great content. But it doesn't really have you in it could be replaced with any expert in the tech space, and I had to really sit back and practice what? I preach. I talk about failure. As I attempt and learning unless reflection exists like after a flecked are they have to figure out what what's what's right here. But what's wrong, and I wrote I bought a book about how to write a book, which was a pretty funny that was that was January two thousand seventeen so. Two years ago and. I saw that. There was a process of of really putting together a vision for the book and less about like write a great book. And so I followed that kind of process, and it was great because I have a background in marketing. So the, you know, the sticky division like what's the mission statement of the book, you know, who's your heart your target audience? All these things were just very comfortable. But I had take you late who is the person when I close my eyes is holding my book because I write it for them. And if twenty other different types of people also want to buy the book, that's great. But I have to be like laser focused on who that person is. So in October. He accepted the second round of it. It was more about like the creative process. I didn't yet have a title really know like the full vision of it. But I started writing, and I started to build out these ten principles and some people wanted it to be the ten commandments because I'm a rabbi, but like. There's already once that I'm like, I'm. Sided just ten principles of building creative capacity. I read a book by a doctor Tina Seelig who so grateful that she was one of the main endorsers of the book, she has a number of books on creativity that I recommend all the listeners read, especially what I wish I knew when I was twenty and in one of her books, she writes, a who am I to write another book about creativity? And I realize like I can't write another book I have to write my book. And so I got through this process. And I submitted, you know, in April of last year, what would be, you know, the the the working manuscript. Yeah. And I felt like this was good. You know, a good couple hundred pages deep in. It's got you know, I had all these plans for my illustrations to be put into the book. And I then started this new journey of editors and copy editors and proofreaders and really people that understand how to shape. Story and an incredible way and the book this book is still one hundred percent me. But it was like sculpted yet. No. Yeah. In a way that was was incredible. I mean, it was an incredible team. Aaron Casey in the writers connection they number of books. I looked around right away soon as I looked in the side of your cover, and I was like who did some of them even I share in the in the auction. I wanted I'm into standing out. It's hard to blend in with, you know, the giant beer, the paint splattered Keipa like I wanted to square book because I didn't see so many square books out there all beyond is one of the books that, you know, his as an author one of his books. Steal like an artist really inspired me and his book is square. So they I gotta look at this. And what they what what the editor saw was what if we we keep the square, but we create a really great margins for people to take notes set. And as that's changed. So I showed him my unblocks video like check out this margin us this margin for notes. So it was it was a cool cool kind of thing. And then like, even the layout. I did not want to write a textbook. I did not want to write a book that is blocks of text from page. You know, exi- all the way to the two hundred whatever so that that was a journey. I I had to let up a lot give up a lot of creative license, and because I had to do it not because they were forcing me like I had to let go even the cover. All these elements are my hand-drawn elements. I didn't design the layout because it would not be printed right now if I was signing the layout. I would still be like this. Restriction perfection is the enemy of God. Yeah. So it's it's easy to draw that he'll astray shin. But actually, let go of certain certain times, I'm I'm far from perfect. It was it was hard to do that. And even in the layout like coming up with ways of creating different little little graphic marks. Like a line underneath a title should be like a hand-drawn strike versus just a l-. You know, a point to you know, lot thick line. That goes across you know. So a lot of those things, and you know, then the drawings themselves are just everything came to life. But it was a process. It was not something that just you know. Okay. We're gonna Google doc and throw it into in design and call today. There was a lot of care lot of reflection. A lot of helping me, you know, the more concise challenging me to expand. And just organizing it in a way that had a beautiful flow. So so I let it the book several places, but there's this quote here where you stayed somewhere around the age of six the current education model begins the purge students of creativity curiosity at wonder in. And then you mentioned you talk about inquiry based learning and it's something revolutionary where it should be revolutionary. So my question is tell us more about like inquiry based learning how can we bring back creativity? Curiosity wonder into our classrooms. Yeah. It's I'm glad that that's it out. Because I I was hoping someone with would would are at the way that you did it's this idea that. Al- innovation is driven by inquiry and curiosity, and it's a person who is sitting either by themselves or there with a group of people, and they're they're trying to discover something. But for whatever reason, the the machine of education has created this like system where inquiry is like delivered to you without the inquiry part of that curiosity, so it's like search and discover research and analyzed. But like what about like using the energy in the engagement of my own interest and wonder, and I think that you know, like, even I hear people talk about like the Montessori method right which is all play based inquiry based like I've I've yet to to visit a Montessori high school. At the end of the day. It's like, no, we gotta get these kids into college. Because college is the gateway to that career to that success, and we have to do that. So you can't sit around and play and be innovative in. You're like, do whatever you want high school students. So what happens is that like, it's gone. But I think that there's ways to bring it back and bite size types of ways. So a teacher that really has a control over their curriculum a veteran teacher, they I think have the luxury, and it it just time. It really is. So young teachers any any any, you know, any teachers that have been in this in this profession for less than five years. Keep at it it gets easier. But once you start to see that scaffold, and that workflow, then you can start to kind of risk tying a little bit more open ended creative type things into that curriculum, but not worry about those standards suffering because at the end of the day, I work in a private school. I have that luxury many of my colleagues in the public space. Do not and testing season is either around the corner already here. And you gotta you gotta get that information. But there's still ways to do it where you come. Mm from the vantage point of the student, and like what are you wonder about in this in this topic? And I was sitting once in a class observing the teacher and the Quadra equation right high school math class and one of the students said where where did this formula come from? And the teacher is like, I don't really know. Like right now, we're just doing the quadraphonic. No, I'm the fly on the wall. So I I'm not the type of administrator to observe and then speak out. I think it does a disservice to the teacher. It throws them off. It creates a weird day now. So I'm just here. I'll share later. So I sit down with the teacher. I say I just wanted to share something really interesting. We work in a Jewish school so Jewish high school dual curriculum, and you should know that there was a Jewish mathematician that was in North Africa and Egypt and took a quadriplegic equation and brought it to Europe. So that is a teachable moment that should be interesting and intriguing and allow for something deeper to like why is he bringing that like we're bringing the contract equation because it's an textbook and there's a SAT question. He brought it for a reason of solvent promising curiosity. What's hat? How did we get from there to here? So you could bring it with, gene. Our twenty percent time. There's ways to bring it where it can be totally open ended. Let the students thrive and struggle or bring it intentionally into the curriculum when it works, but you have to feel confident that it won't disrupt that proof of knowledge evidence of knowledge that the students are going to need to be accountable for. So we've talked about this before when you were on the show before. But I don't think we can talk about it enough. The idea of educators designers that we all agree that educators should absolutely see themselves as designers lean into that even more than they are educators that don't lean into it at all speak to that. Just just a little bit. Yeah. It was one of the biggest breakthroughs from me where I was able to realize that I didn't have to abandon one or the other that they worked together at the end of the day. A designer is somebody that understands people. And is trying to solve some sort of problem for them. That's what a designer is. And so you can have all these different branches if design, but at the end of the day, I understand people and designers that don't they either have to be absolutely incredible at problem solving. And then somehow like they just succeed, and they're they're miserable because they have a horrible client designer relationship or they just like are so good that they become like, you know, the designer of you know, some famous logo that goes down in history like the shell logo. Like, they look at that on a pin? And you know, what it is? There's no question. Right. But for educators, looking at ways that they can connect with the design world and see that layout classroom design lesson design presentation design the way in which you design the support for an individual student all of these things happen outside of the world of education. And I'm always about. Out tapping out to bring it back. And I think that once we understand the vernacular of okay? So so classroom designed oh interior design. Oh, they're IBM has a passive design thinking laboratory, it's all about how do you design corporate space and this like open office it failed? Not that's not my opinion, that's like research, and now publish business insider the open office platform that was supposed to promote collaboration. It has failed because there's no personal space. There is no private space, and it just becomes this. This just you know, like like washroom whirlpool of like people. Right. So there's there's ways to connect it. And I think that once we see ourselves as educators as the is different micro designers in each thing because we do so much there. So it's like, oh there's much kids in the room. And I'm going to deliver information they're going to memorize they're gonna take. There's all this dynamic and the more technology advances. The more that soc- society's is offered. New opportunities. We as educators, we have to evolve, and we have to really look at. How can we design different opportunities for classrooms? So good. We're people by the book where can people reach out to you? How can people connected you awesome? Yeah. So the book is available on Amazon and Barnes and noble, and they can get it there. There's also a couple book signings here, and there I'm here at BTC, which I know you guys are really quick, but probably won't be released by tomorrow afternoon. I guess that against you. But I'm going to be at ice in Chicago in February. So I have a series. They can connect with me on my website to find those face to face opportunities. The tech rabbi everywhere dot com on social media, whatever platform it is. Even if I don't use it. I've taken the tech rabbi just in case, and yeah, just really excited to connect with. Both you excites connect with your audience. Twitter's the best place to build those conversations ask those questions and just collaborate together. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Cohen everyone.

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 FETC 2019 Special Coverage | FETC Day Two | Tisha Richmond & Rachelle Dene Poth

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FETC 2019 Special Coverage | FETC Day Two | Tisha Richmond & Rachelle Dene Poth

"The official sponsor for education FDIC, twenty nine thousand coverage is class craft and in light of such awesome information, we decided we needed to enlist some backup for this ad. So it was as RAD as possible. And since we're all here at BTC friend of the pod Steve ISAACs is here with us. Steve how many class craft quests? Have you made Glenn? My entire eighth grade course is comprised of class craft quests every made Stevens made over a million class craft quests, and they're all amazing. If you want to try one of Steve's million quests, we have an unreal deal for you in the history of best deals. This is number one from now until the end of February on education listeners could go to class craft dot com slash on education and use discount code. Oh. An epi TC to get sixteen dollars off a yearly premium license, but that's not all right clan. Right, Mike, you also get a free class pack, which includes two posters and fortieth stickers free. 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We don't have room to put it all on three episodes. So that's pretty sweet. South con. Yep. Sell con was the keynote speaker, I actually kicked off the official part of the conference and his story is just ridiculously inspirational. I mean, a guy that was in the business sector. I was making plenty of money and decided to basically quit this high paying corporate job to do something a Hugh take a huge risk take a huge risk financially with his family to do. This nonprofits amazing to create this nonprofit amazing organization all based off of a simple idea basically of helping out I his family members. And then helping other people with basically some sort of tutoring with actor started off as I mean, it's a lesson in just the way things happen like when you put the work in and you he was wanting to help his niece, dad. We're math, and it turns into Khan Academy, which is huge. And it's just amazing. How things end up when you when you you know, when you're passionate about something, right? Yeah. I mean, the moments in that really the amazing moments that ended up changing what basically began Khan Academy are just ridiculous now people the original founders just handing him one hundred thousand dollar check to to get to kick off the company to get it started just believing in him and then Bill Gates talking about how he was using Sol's videos to help tutor one of his daughters, and then how much he believed in that vision, they have a meeting, and then now Microsoft, Microsoft is involved in Google is involved in the Khan, Academy nonprofit, just want an amazing story has so many different elements to us if you've never heard him speak. You should definitely get out there. I believe some of his. Keynotes are actually on YouTube cease to check those out awesome. The expo hall opened after the keynote it was pretty cool to get down there and take a look, you know, just we kind of rushed through a little bit. But we did spend time with a couple of vendors. Just we wanted to talk to them to see what was up really cool to to check out. We've talked with this before a little bit. Robotics is definitely a big thing down there this year. And we were we were at the kinder- lab booth, which was a little a robot that scans blocks, which is really neat. One of the things. I love about that is is this. I love the idea of robotics where you don't need kids to be able to read and they also don't need devices. I think these are two things that are super super important, and this device met all of those needs pretty well, Deb. And then the design was very interesting very different than anything I've ever seen. I've been they were actually physical. Woodblock was locked set had some kind of scandal codes on them out. You could go ahead and program the the routine of the robots. Yeah. Within in the entire thing. And then the kids basically discover more and more types of formulas, you know, the coating types of things really awesome. And I'll tell you like two thousand nineteen is the year of Kedah three robotics for sure there's going to be a lot of cool stuff coming out. And I mean, these robots are going to be amazing, and I use the word over to window, which is generally political phrase. But I love that we're shifting everything to the left a little bit in terms of age range. So that you know when kids are doing robotics earlier music and do more advanced robotics later has not. And so like the high school robotics teachers have a vested interest in Kedah three robotics being great. So that they can do more advanced more intr-. Acting things later on in in their in their teaching. This is going to be a big year for that. And and this stuff was really really really cool. The other thing that we saw the expo hall that that was firing us up was all of the amazing things that near pod is doing. And so we went and checked out there virtual reality tours. Yeah. He's sickly. They've even included things. I mean, not just your typical types of virtual reality. You're able to show students all kinds of locations under a thousand locations around the globe. But also they've done this thing where if the student is interested in a specific college or university and can actually virtually tour that Tutu Ryan college. And then the other one the one that was actually amazing was they are just adding these things with professions. So that you can be exposed at least virtually to what it would be like to be a medical doctor to any types of industrial engineers, all these different types of careers. So you can go to check out those careers and has basically. Lesson plans that's not just the virtual tour, but a lesson plan to kind of walks you guys through that. I thought that was really neat. Very cool stuff than near pot is doing very cool. So I mean, this is been awesome. We've been able to connect with so many people. I mean, we're all over Twitter in the last couple of days, which has been hilarious. I love being here. This has been a blast. It's been great connecting with people. Yeah. Sometimes people ask us whether or not they should come to these big conferences because this is humongous FETC or whether it be ST or any other kind of really big conference. And really it's just about the opportunity to be able to connect with people and amazing educators that you would not have had the opportunity to do otherwise. So you can go and just basically do the best times are after the sessions are over. And we're just sitting around either playing a game or eating dinner. Whatever might be in sharing those ideas of being able to kind of pick their brains of these people that are just amazing influence. In our field. Yeah now. So it's been a really awesome time and speaking of influencers in our field. Stay tuned will play some factor. Back interviews. We spoke with tissue Richmond. And we're shell poff and those will be on nets. All right. Welcome back to the podcast everyone. We are absolutely thrilled to be joined by tissue. Richmond. Welcome to the show inky. I'm super honored to be here so tissue. Can you just give for anyone who doesn't? I'd be stunned. If people didn't know who you are. But if anyone doesn't know who you are gives a renowned who you are what you do where you from that kind of goes up I'll sign tissue Richmond. I am a tech integration specialists that Clinton of twenty two years from Medford, Oregon. And I am just hashing it about bringing joy into teaching and learning and making learning magical. That's a great segue. We were like, you know, what you do anywhere actually going to be. Book that spin outs now to since the phones. Yep. You must be doing really. Well, can you tell us about that book? And then, you know, something about wire audience should look into it. Yes. Absolutely. So the book is called make learning magical, and it's about transforming your teaching and creating unforgettable experiences in the classroom. And so my story really began in about two thousand fourteen where I was a teacher that was out. I was frustrated I was ready to leave education. I'd come home at night. And I would tell my husband, you know, I wanna be a barista like I want to make that pretty foam on top law taste, the guy sounds really awesome right now. And so, you know, something's happened in that year some some Cavaliers that really launched me into transforming learning in my classroom. And so one of them was I went one to one ipad to my classroom. And I knew that I wanted these ipads to transfer learning I did not want. It to be tool district, researching recipes or doing Google searches. I wanted it to be transformative. But I didn't know how to do that. And so I started going to tech conferences and went to ipad palooza, I went to Miami. Vice that year, I met Michael material that year at that point. He had not written explore like a pirate yet. And I just started getting very curious and excited about all of these innovative things that were going on in education. I wanted to know more about it because it was like I had tapped into this like secrets didn't didn't even know existed. And so the more that I learned the more that I just started stepping out of my comfort zone and taking risks the more that might classrooms started to change and the more that joy starting to return to me as a teacher started really enjoying what I was doing again. And it's contagious. Right. So if we're joyful, and we love what we're doing than the students are going to be joyful in excited about hopefully what they're doing in the classroom. And so my book is really about that journey. And magical is an acronym. So the ams stands for memorable beginnings is authentic in agency g is game. A fight experiences. I is an invasion. See is creativity club ration- curiosity as authentic audience and Allah's legacy. And so it's about how you can't tap into each of those and unlock magical learning in the classrooms, like a book outlines. Good afternoon. Nasty to one of the things that have curious about two things here's phones for you is that a canary teacher fax teacher, we call him in Minnesota's to basically kind of break out of a stereotypical mold is pretty unusual. I would say as goes. So when you went to these conferences, really, I'm going to just rewrite the book on out of the way that things have always been part of the streams that we go over that wasn't really my intention my intention. I just got excited. Like, I just realized oh my goodness. I've tapped into something that could really bring joy back into my teaching experience. And so the more that I tried the more that I just got excited curious, and I just started noticing that my students were becoming more immersed in their learning. I noticed students started to become more empowered in their learning. And so it transformed Maija Ernie so much. That I can't hope it's share that with others because I know there's other teachers out there that are burn out and frustrated as well, and they're not the room. What's what's going on? They just like I just Don. And so I I hope that I can inspire other people through my story that you don't lose hope can restore that joy and passion again, and I think to in my whole experience, I realized I didn't have to live in the silo as a family and consumer science teacher anymore because a lot of times we are we want to be the only singleton teacher that teaches that in our Sahgal in. So we're put in PLC's with P teachers, you know, and and we feel like, oh, we'll know in gets me. No one, you know, who else hands a chef's knife to their students. But me, you know, right. Exactly. When I started really becoming globally connected. I realized you know, what I am. I can learn from that social studies teacher that first grade teacher it may not look exactly the same in might cost. But I can make it my own and. I can take those those strategies those ideas and figure out how it works in my world. And so I just I tapped into those resources and just really started to find my try those people that were as excited about what's going on is in education as I was so one of the things that my second question was about your transition from teacher to tech integration as coach which is exactly what I did too. How do you like vets that transition only gonna I love it? I really love it. I mean every day. I'm I'm in school. And I'm like, wow, I love what I do. It was hard because I love the classroom. It wasn't that. I didn't want to be in the classroom anymore. It wasn't that. I didn't want to be around the students anymore. It was really came down to amplify impacts. And I I had to ask myself that question the only way would leave my classroom is if I can amplify impact, you more do more, and I really have felt. That to be able to zoom out and to to peer peer into the classroom of a kindergartner and a social studies teacher and a PE teacher in an art teacher in and see all of these different age groups in different continental tires and really see. How things I have learned in the strategies that have worked for me how maybe that could work in those other classes, and really I wanna be a joy specialist a spread joy, and and help others become passionate about teaching and learning. And so I felt that it's a daunting task. I'm the only Texas list in my entire district of nineteen school. So okay. So it's busy. It's it's it is. But I it it doesn't discourage me just excites me that like, wow, I can really hopefully spark some sparks and start. This spread of of innovation. You're doing a ton of stuff year. FETC? Can you go through? I mean, you tons of sections maybe talk about a little bit about what you're doing. Because we will have people who are listening, especially if you're doing stuff later on in the week. Are you doing more such Bill? I imagine John with my sessions. So they do have my book signing on Wednesday. It was yet. So you're going to have a book signing on Wednesday talk about what you did do though at if he TC they were pretty interesting things I had on some different workshops on Sunday morning. I had a workshop 'cause I came on adventures in the classroom, and that really was a session about how my g of the magical making a fight experiences in how I created a framework to layer over my culinary classes. So I taught three levels of culinary at each level had a different framework. I had the great food. Check racing. The amazing race on I had master chef. And so basically broke down each of those. Frameworks and hoped show other educators. No matter what subject area, they are how they can layered framework over their classroom to and I created a game which I was super excited about is slow super excited about it's a card game that helps teachers brainstorm these ideas of feeding story you're and kind of model how to create a game for your classroom as well. So he played that on the second hour of my game on works up. And then that afternoon I did a workshop with Michelle post on infra graphics, which was really really fun. And then this morning, I had a session called gamemaker that I come facilitated with Jamie Donnelly, and we had a blast. We just created games. And so we played a little bit of the game that I created. And then we kind of created a let them explore and play and we had a really really good time off to laughter. Helping people reach out to you get in touch with you connect with you, in whatever way you do that. So I am on Twitter at Tisch rich and love to get connected there. I have a website tissue Richmond dot com where I blog, right, and I share my resources. I just started a Facebook page for family and consumer science. Teachers follow a game of flying failing consumer science, which has been amazing because there's family consumer science teachers that are really excited about this idea and are starting to really think about how they can transform their classrooms. And so those are the major ways to reach out to me, I am on tissue on Instagram at districts from this law. Perfect awesome. Thanks for joining us. This has been great. Thank you so much honor. All right. Welcome back to the podcast everyone. We are here with Rachelle post. Welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. Awesome. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself? What you do where are you from that kind of stuff? I can do that sound from Pittsburgh, and I've been teaching Spanish French, and seem course, while the teaching their twenty three years taught French and the last hopefully, ten years all-spanish and esteem course, eighth graders which I love because I love technology. He's awesome. So I mean, you have the busiest schedule of anyone that I've ever seen the fifth raising. It's incredible. That you're even here right now, you're presenting on a near pod infographics, augmented reality virtual reality and tons of other things what's getting you excited about like, why are you talking with these things? What are you excited about as it relates to the stuff all of the above? I know I I'm eighties child. I always say like, I always loved technology learning new things, but I'm also realistic. Like is a Spanish teacher over the years. I would have students come back and say, oh, yeah. Had four years Spanish. I remember it saw I remember a little bit or you hear adults talking about that too. And so part of what I want to do is to give them more skills that they could use beyond just the Spanish. So we starting technology and teaching the same course some first year. I did that they had me teaching hummingbird robots like how to coda program. I had no idea. What humming? A remote was. I thought like the hummingbird on your deck. And so when I got really comfortable and confident with that they decided to move that to seventh grade. And so my administrator. Principal at the time said, what do you want each said Ma named augmented reality virtual reality breakouts. Everything he so what what do you want to call? The course I said, I don't know emerging technology because it leaves it open. So for me, I just I love learning new things, and I love probably the best part of it is just seeing students come up with in create because you learn more about them in the relationship. So you can have this conversations. Whereas if they're not creating things and having choices on you don't know beyond like who they are in your classroom. So that's one of these. I like the most about it. So you have your JD, I do which is super cool. Actually, it's something I actually considered me doing myself. And I'm curious how your law degree informs your work as an educator. What transferable skills, you think are there, and what transferable skills you're getting the most value? Add as a teacher. That's a heavy question. Yeah. People are. So that's what you come on China. Oh, half the time. We don't believe it. I'm gonna Turney. Because I didn't go to law school. I I was actually teaching for I think seven or eight years, and I would have never thought about law as a career. But when I got my Spanish certification, some of the courses, I hadn't take were in legal and business translation, and at that time, I had a teacher who was I think a higher ranking head position in with John Deere corporation in was an attorney, and it was just really interesting to see the connections, and I was a big fan of reading John Grisham novels in anything, and I never I've never watched law and orders people always ask me that. But I just never knew if it'd be interested in I did it one point think about becoming a paralegal. But I wasn't it wasn't that. I was unhappy with teaching people thought that I wanted to quit teaching when I graduated law school. I just wanted to see if I could do it. I and the one thing that I think is the biggest takeaway that I had from law school is even though not practicing right now. There are tons of things that I've become better at one of them. Hopefully is teaching at is a person the teachers that I had law school. There were some that no matter how busy. They were you would walk into the room, and they'd be hound behind books and everything else in you name it, and I had one. In fact, she became a really tremendous mentor for me that it didn't matter what he had going on like he stopped. He took the time to listen to what you had if concerns if you'd understand something. And that was when I think that kind of like pulled me back into being engaged in teaching because around that period of time, I think I was kind of starting to feel a little bit like disengaged with it. And I'm not sure why. But little by little I started connect more with like how the students would feel in class. They didn't understand something or were afraid to ask a question. And just saw I was able to see things a little bit more. Clearly, I guess in different roles, which I hadn't for a long time might investigatory. That's the right word skills are pretty pretty good when it comes to students in their behavior. Sometimes I tell when somebody's trying to. Or? Derogated? Yeah. But it's funny because they'll ask me how can we Pakistan line? I thought because I was unhappy with teaching it was just a personal thing. I wanted to see if I could do it. But it does come in handy because I did take some courses in like forensic sciences and so forth. So I had a suit at one day who they were coloring, and there was red crayon all over the Nola fort like, it was just mashed into the floor clearly not an accident, and I came over and I looked at it. And I said what happened? He dropped the crayon. What and explode. I just looked at it. And I mean granted like he could happen. So then I took another look at it. You saw the room. I came back. I will tell you docking. What happened with that? I said you see how like like it's really thick as it gets closer to you. I think it drops legitimately. But I think that it's picking it up you put your foot on it started to drag it in salt when it was doing. And then you pushed her he'll down further in as you came closer. And it came what in he started to get this grin on his face. And I just I can't yell you anymore right now. But please tell me I'm right because something I learned the law school has to have like right now. And it was kind of funny. I mean, he then cleaned it up. Moore's he's like, what was an access that was partially an accident. So just interesting things like that. But it also gives me a different perspective to think of alternatives more than I would have before of analytical skills now definitely organization because I still taught fulltime we'll going to law school full time. I don't know how I survived, but you know, you sort of go on if you want to do something, and you're passionate about it. Then you're on do it. You just might be tired. That's great for your students to. I mean as far as them to be out. See that you went back, even though you're working fulltime air busted, your buy into hostile to just like they would be for specific goal. So you can actually use that as an example right in. They they still will say why are you here? Own as it. It's an option. It's a life is about having options. You never know. And I didn't want the data. Come. I mean, I was surprised when I got accepted, I was terrified that. I want passed in graduate or pass are. But if you never know what to try, and if you know later on life like, oh, I wonder then what soak. So we're at the beginning of a new year twenty nineteen so what's type of ad tech? Are you excited about that? Second merging in twenty nineteen. We'd like to look at trends as far as classrooms. What are you? What are you getting excited about well the past year, I've been really interested in learning more about artificial intelligence, and I started that about a year ago. I was surprised I did a some research and found some of everyday uses of it and had no idea like you don't think about things like Uber will like airlines or even like the spam filter on your Email, but started to do some more research with that in actually enrolled in the course on it. Now, it's phenomenal some really excited about potential with AI just finding out like for education at one of the schools in Pittsburgh, just laugh. Week had a showcase where they have a middle school curriculum is the second one I think in the country that has this that they're unrolling and the students are involved in all kinds of AI experimentation project base learning. It was amazing. So I'm pretty excited about that. And of course, all things a RV are as well, just anything that I can give my students more choices with grades awesome. If our listeners are interested if they wanna get in touch with you get in contact connecting with you. How can they learn more about how to reach out to you and very consistent? So I go back like when AOL for sorry with being the Email provider. I was completely unoriginal held had my parents inches had like a name eight so mind for anything for Twitter boxer Email my blog website. It's always our and then D E N E nine one five. So if it's dot com or at very simple must name. Well, first initial middle name or thank very good, no gifts required. So we're shell. Thanks so much for joining us on the on the. Podcast. This was pretty cool. Thank you for having me.

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Family Minecrafting | Adobe's Tacy Trowbridge

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Family Minecrafting | Adobe's Tacy Trowbridge

"If you're looking to connect with others and find some helpful ideas and resources for your time at home participate. Has You covered each week? A learning at home menu is created packed with fun themes live events and lots of free resources to explore the learning at home community and connect with more than six hundred educators parents and other caregivers visit participate dot com slash on education. I believe in freedom in America stands for freedom and yeehaw. Let's go welcome to on education part of the on podcast media network. My name is Mike Washburn am Glenn Irvine Friends. We have awesome pod for you today. We will discuss how we can. Best celebrate graduation safely debate whether we should be calling. Educators rockstars shout out our basic Bob's and wives and our guest. This week is adobe as head of global education programs. Kc trowbridge mothers say yes today it was but we can actually see our moms. I don't know if you can if you guys are able to go ahead and you can't. You had tons of that before I called. I called mine now what I did too. So yeah by. Parents actually didn't get to go out anywhere and it's really sad. I think that the generation that is older than us they really have a hard time making true connections like you know we get onto on Friday evenings a bunch of different groups for example having a happy hour. There's coffee you in the mornings Jerry seeing zoom or whatever might be but. I don't think that'll you know. Basically say that all people that are older than me but specifically my parents who are in their seventies they have cell phones and whatever might be but it's not like when they call me they don't facetime me for example. It's just a good way of being able to describe the difference. They're not face timing me. They're just actually literally calling me like you would traditionally you're talking on the phone The text messages between you know my parents and I are super short. And they're not really long drawn out types of things I think it's just because they're not comfortable with that type of medium media to be able to exchange ideas it and now they're stuck at home and just feel bad for them. I feel bad for my mom as far as being able to just get out there and connected people because that's what she does so hopefully she's doing great. I those I talked to her but yeah kind of I I do feel bad. I could definitely tell us. She was sad as far as you know not mother's Day but it's like I'm stuck at home and a lot of the generations older than us and even our generation. I mean to be on a sexually probably my our kids. Generation is the first generation that can think of that will consider like online interactions to be equally as meaningful kind of interactions as face to face potentially in some cases and They just don't. It's invalidated it doesn't. I just talked to you on the Internet. Now I don't and and it's like not as meaningful to them and and in some cases it's dining meaningful ties either but it's still. They doesn't count to my mom that I called her. It's like when when I you know but we can't. We can't do anything about it. This is kind of just the way it is right now. one of the You know so we. We celebrate it. We did what we I made a tried to make a good meal and Yeah I got her. Got Her a gift and You know let her letter relax and have a day and You know tried to take as much of the pressure off is a possibly could and it was good. It was I thought I had. We had a good day. I think so you know. We watched a movie together. Which is fun. We actually ahead. I get hate for sure for this but we had never. We hadn't watched the last star wars yet So the last skywalker. It was very I enjoyed it. I thought I think all the new the new ones are very good. I enjoyed them. There's some weird stuff by have you seen it. I have not okay. So so there's I know but it was good. I enjoyed it a lot One of the other things that we're doing. I don't know if you do this very much. Like with everybody. But when of the things that we've been doing is Cheryl Cheryl's Cheryl's been learning minecraft. She's been that's awesome doing a PD staff. She was actually in them. So Steve Isaacs and Kathy Chow. Isaacs are doing Pd with the Khanate through a Canadian company called a fair chance learning that that are very good And she's in those online sessions so she's doing PD with Steve Isaacs. Who Thought Right? That's awesome deal to do PD. Sure and Steve's just tickled that you know my wife is in the P. IS PD sessions. It's pretty funny so she's been learning how to play. My one of the things that that has spawned is family. Mine crafting so now. It's me on my computer. In my office Isaac in his room on his computer. Jacob has Isaacs old computer in the kitchen. 'cause that's that's where the little boys computer goes. He doesn't use it very often by the complained minecraft for sure in. Sheryl on the laptop in the kitchen as well and all four of us in a Know hosted like so. I started world in my craft education edition and host it and then all four of us joined in and we were playing. We're we're literally playing minecraft survival world together and Jacobs obnoxious as a four-year-old probably would be. It's been a lot of fun that's fantastic. That's a that's definitely a new development there get the whole entire family. Doing the did mine crafting guys for us. My wife is not too much of a Gamer. So yeah it's been fun. Yeah that's fantastic fun. I I would. I wouldn't be surprised audience if you saw a youtube channel. Pop Up of us for playing minecraft together because Might be moderately entertaining and fun a fun creative outlet you know so we'll see we'll see what happens but it's been fun. We've been doing a lot of stuff. We've been busy So the chat on education. You weren't on it last week. He took a little. Everyone deserves a Friday night off every once in a while. They're ready so but we had a really good Chat on education live. It's on twitch on at eight o'clock every Friday night. So if you're you know you're not doing anything you're not going anywhere. feel free to join. Us Twitch DOT TV slash inside participate And there's usually five or six of US actually spent six every night so far. This is our third week And a lot of viewers like like we get twenty twenty five people sometimes watching this. So it's pretty fun and entertaining. I think we it's a little more low key there might be wine involved and Yeah it's on Youtube. If you miss it but it's been it's been a lot of fun And the guests. I just spent a whole bunch of time book and people but getting the guests awesome guests awesome guests. Should I tell? Should I tell the audience Glenn the Awesome Gaddis might as well let them know what's coming up so we got Matt Miller coming up soon? Six new book just came out very exciting. Dr Adam filed just got his PhD. Pretty Exciting Adam file is a good dude and I'm super excited to have him on the pockets. We tried to have him on. We were in Miami And I try to hook up with them after Miami that to get it together but we weren't able to make it work but we're making it work now. I saw so he's book Jennifer Kesse Todd Friend of the POD is coming on. Who Else Michael Hernandez coming up? No Daniel who? It's funny I I sent her a message And we were talking because we we've both brought up the P. Three Broadcast Multiple Times as as as a fun podcast to do so. We're we're having Noah on our podcast which should be per fun. Yeah I'm I'm really excited to turn the tables Jake. Miller really take huge. Jack Miller is huge. That's actually went to talk to him about his journey. Because I know Geisel described Jake Miller as a person that he was always following when he only had a couple of thousand followers and he was doing amazing things and Noah was intentionally trying to get people. You know basically to go. Hey check out what this guy's doing so I'd like to actually hear about his journey as that'll be awesome he is. He is definitely someone. That's I totally think comes up with some amazing ideas for educators in the tech space. So we're going MICA shitty ready learner one At the end of August. So I think not to not to lead that a little bit but I know that there's a book coming out sometime around then because I'm involved in it so hopefully hopefully by then that would be exciting. The other exciting news related to us is that Probably by the time you're listening to this or maybe the day you're listening to this will. Maybe they will. Maybe this will be the one. Maybe you will be the one that gets us over one hundred thousand lifetime downloads. One hundred thousand downloads Glenn. That's insane hundred thousand. That's another number next of one million when what? What is the number that we announced next like? I don't think he'd just like you know. Have A oh we. We were pretty excited about fifty. Yeah so this is one hundred. I think maybe to fifty now half a million have all right so we want. You won't hear anything from US about numbers until we get to half a million now. We'll see you in We'll we'll talk to you about that in a couple of months when when we get there we're gonNA explode so funny you know you put the sign here. But I've been thinking about it a lot. I I think I've said it I said it. Actually I said it on the chat on education live. I used to love grocery shopping. Mother it yeah and now I hate it well. Who can blame you? The reason why I wrote this is friend of the PODCAST. Who has never been on the podcast? Who should definitely be on as a guest Corey Graham posted in a couple of different places? Actually she's just been sharing her thoughts on just the cultural differences from where she actually lives now. Which if you want to know you can go look at twitter and facebook or whatever. My bedtime need to say this to where she lived previously. Which was Minnesota? So she lives now. In the South I would consider it southeast United States and at part of that booth has resulted in and this being a pandemic and in the way that people are treating the seriousness of the virus will just is very different in different parts of the United States. Yes the United States. Just it's crazy house say it. It's crazy how different we actually are in so many different places. I've been talking about from state to state. There are definitely for region to region. Mike goodness it's crazy. That's something I think it's saying that we're that we're just one country which is Kinda cool. That's where unified in that way but yet were so freaking different that each other one of the differences is this specific cases. Corey's describing different things that are going on and one of them was grocery shopping and how she feels like. She's a crazy woman because she wears a mask and no one else is doing it but now she finally felt like she was not a like. She didn't feel singled out because she went to Costco where they have a policy where everyone employees and customers must wear a mask In order to enter the store so then that made me think because Nicole and my wife and I. We haven't got out to do anything we are. We're trying to avoid all human on the outright. We're trying to avoid getting sick. So we are talking about self-isolation. We've been self isolating hardcore and we haven't gone to the grocery stores where like you just said we're not enjoyable. It's very stressful. Sorry a lot of getting food. There's a lot of people delivered There's a lot of people or the we did a couple of times. Drive up the drive up where you drive up and you park and then they bring your vehicle. Yep but anyway. There's a lot of people in the regular grocery stores. I'm going to combat. That are not wearing masks. I don't know why they're not but they're not and it's highly stressful at Costco. We went today and it was the most enjoyable experience for frigging going grocery shopping. Ever because number one you go and you're walking in and every there's people at the door making sure that everyone is that has a mask but not all that they're not doing it in this kind of militant kind of way it's very. It's super awesome customer service. They're like hey thank you so much for coming today a blood. They let us know. We've sanitized all of the cards. We continue to do that as we're as we're putting cycling back out through. Thank you so much for visiting today. And they've just made the store where it feels like you can actually have the six feet of distance between yourself and anybody else. You don't feel like you're freak because you're wearing a mask. Everyone's doing it and you're like it's part of the culture that they've actually built up there and it's part of the safety it's I. I'm so happy that she shared that and that my wife and I were like well. Let's just go. Let's go see what happens. You know and we came out like super happy about. It's about the experience there about being able to go. Hey we can go back there now. We'll go pick up our supplies. We don't have to like ahead so much time and so on and so forth so it's it it super imports and it's so different than telling you Mike. Right now and. I don't know where I know. A lot of our listeners are Minnesota But I think even in different parts of Minnesota probably rural versus urban and and and different regions as far as even within our state. I don't know how many people are out there. And they are not going out to grocery stores and so on and so forth and not wearing the masks you know and how people are feeling about that. You know like as far as the listeners. Right now how are you feeling about that situation and I swear I think people have now just kind of go on? I'll take the risk. This wear that's kind of like the the the general so crazy like the sense that I'm getting from people is like let's just take the risk on just before D- Which is just so freaking crazy and and I think this has that attitude has huge implications of decisions that are going to be made for next fall in our schools. That's the reason that's the big connection between my grocery store in the schools is is. Will we be like Costco or will we be like just a typical? You know especially here in Minnesota like for example Walmart. They don't have any of the guidelines any of those types of things and it's all person for themselves and and a lot of people are just going without protection you know. I think get completely one hundred. Percents going to depend upon the leadership of the within the schools in the culture of those communities which is psycho is should. It depend upon that. It should totally just be like. We're going to do the. We're going to protect our kids in ourselves and do the best that we can. So that's my Costco Story. Went up there. No it's fine. Costco is consistently been the best experience for us to they. Actually Removed checkout lanes at our costco so they they basically took out every other checkout lane. Yes so that there was more space between them It kind of threw me off a little bit because our costco. I don't know about others but our Costco is incredibly busy like almost all the time normally Always like Saturday or Sunday. Parking lot is just absolutely full the whole day and so they've done a really good job. I found I wear a mask everywhere so I have one I just keep it in my pocket kind of it's a cloth mask And I just keep it in my pocket and then I the only places so i. I'm the one who goes out. So I'm the assigned goater in the family. And and but really the truth is the only places I go to the grocery store and to Costco So we we But they're different entirely different at at the grocery store hardly anyone's wearing a mask I I also think like I don't WanNa get too political about it. Even though I think I I think I do think of it politically but I don't think there's a coincidence that you know even in the Barrie area which is a pretty It's like a little conservative bastion in the heart of liberal. And you know. I think that there's something to that a little bit. I mean I think it's been written about enough in the states that you know a lot of these. Us states that are Republican-leaning are the ones that are struggling with it. The most in terms of their masks and rules and laws and you know impeding on people's freedoms or whatever the hell it is when you're trying to keep people from not dying is doing as far as the people wearing the mat. Like not wearing masks goes I don't. I don't think I've gotten upset about it. I think I tend to get upset over like the cognitive dissonance of people like like I've brought up a couple of times the dude in the grocery store wearing like gloves and a mask and like you know basically wearing a gas mask goddess hood over his face and stuff and then he goes and touches every piece of food in the damned grocery store. And it's like you know you just don't you know I don't know how you're like squaring that I just. I don't even know lane. The cognitive dissonance of that and and that type of experience is frustrating and just like the basic rules that the stores have put place that are just there for common like health and safety indecency like the lanes going one way in the grocery store and you know the separation between people like in a lying and it's like just just please respect these things respect each other and you know that you know. I don't want to get you sick to be honest. I don't WanNa get you sick just as much as I don't want you to get me sick. Yeah it's you know we gotta be all in this together. That is the important thing. Is You know that we're working together on this. And there are so many people that just don't care about working together and just care about themselves. I need that thing that I always wanted. And you know I believe in freedom in America stands for freedom and yeehaw. Let's go yeah. I think I don't know if it's yeah. I totally agree with you. On that people feel like their rights are being infringed upon. Because there's obviously this giant thing about Costco. There's a strike. We're not GONNA go there. We're going to stop whatever might be and that's totally fine. Is it just a strange thing to be fighting and battling about were trying to make sure that we are keeping each other safe? But in this case they're taking as we are bridging upon your rights to do whatever the hell you WanNa go and do and that's like really just doesn't make sense but that's so much the United States. There's just there's so much of that back and forth that a lot of the things that we say. Does it make sense to a lot of people and I'm sure it does it actually i. It doesn't so these crazy times. Yes crazy crazy when this is out I promise. I promise I will hit publish on a blog post. That is coming out. So if you've been keeping score at home we've added three new team members we've added. Audrey Thorn borough very cool we added Kelly coon's and making her debut this week with a blog post is Diana buyers. Mcgee very exciting. Diana isn't going to do like the summary Posts and and and stuff like that like Kelly and Audrey are going to do. I've I've asked Diana to be kind of an editorial writer. So she's just gonNA write. Diana is very smart very talented very very years decades of experience a hate given aware age like that but she's retiring And she said to me. She's looking for a creative outlet and and I basically said yeah I mean it was a no-brainer to bring her on she's Acclaimed and super well regarded and As the Technology head of a large district Tons of years decades of experience That I think that everyone will be You know Fortunate to be able to to read some of her wisdom on the nation blog and she wrote a good one for her debut. And I think it's interesting. Because it's it's it's a bit of a play on words. Title is with all due respect on call me. Rockstar. And she hearkens back to the the seventies when when being a rockstar may not have necessarily been a good thing Certainly not something that you would want to model for kids as an example but it turns into a really good article on leadership. The part that I thought was really interesting about this entire thing. Obviously the play on words with the Rockstar but really talking about connecting to. How do we actually become true? Rockstars as administrators like. What are the things that we need in order to do? Our jobs successfully and she really does a great job of breaking down some key things that she believes that in that an administrator administrator or any kind of leadership needs to it needs to become part of who they actually are So the first one there bike she has forgo judgments I mean that's a statement there as and she and she definitely is according a Walt Whitman and and talking about basically how easy it is to go ahead and big judgy about a million different things in education but how important it is to forego that right yeah and then treat employees equally and with respect seems to make a lot of sense. I mean that that feels. It's it's funny that these things even need to be written but you know we've seen so many examples of of of administrators during this crisis that that are definitely not doing some of these things and so that's been frustrating And it makes an article like this paramount in terms of importance. She writes on there too that we need to ensure that we acknowledge everyone. And that made me actually think we have done things in mice specifically in my school Myself and my colleague where we do call out certain people for doing amazing things. And it's made me rethink about whether or not that's A. That's a positive. It's kind like when you acknowledged that specific kid in your class with those specific kids in your class you're not actually acknowledging the group itself it how can create some basically a culture as far as near class where you have kind of like the group. That's your praising but then the other kids you're not really acknowledging their contributions. She put here where they actually might not be as obvious because a lot of times people that get recognized as a rockstar. We have to know this to his the people with the loudest voice like the people that that are that. Just SPEAK UP. That are that are willing to go ahead and speak at a staff meeting or lead a group Spontaneously or intentionally for whatever else it might be work go to conference and deliver a presentation. And it's interesting. I like that. She says we need to take a step back and really see. What are the contributions that our entire team are delivering and make sure that we acknowledge everyone? Otherwise you're abandoning your leaving some people behind totally so we'll want to make sure that you read this. We're GONNA publish it. Get it out to you in the next couple of days and I think you're GonNa love it and and I'm so excited to have her join us and to keep writing so you should see something from her about once a month and and it's GonNa be great when we come back. We're going to be a talking to adobe tasty trowbridge so stay with us go. Guardian Helps Thousands of K twelve school districts. Maximise the learning potential of over eight million students go guardians products enabled productive and safe digital learning by helping educators identified learning patterns protect students from harmful and distracting content and support mental health to sports schools during their distance. Learning transition. Go Guardian is offering free access to their entire product suite until the end of the school year to learn more about gold guardian and download their free resources about distance. Learning visit their distance learning resource center at go guardian dot com slash distance learning. All right. Welcome back to the PODCAST. Everyone Tasty Trowbridge leads. Adobe global education programs and the adobe education exchange where almost a half a million educators go to find and share resources and ideas and be inspired by other great educators. Her career in education began like many do in the classroom where she was a teacher and technology lead in the bay area. Welcome to the podcast tasty. Thanks so much on the Bahir tasty we'd love for you to share a bit about your background and history and what brings you to us today. Well I started my career actually teaching swimming. That's what convinced me that this is where I wanted to be so it sounds like a strange place to start but I would I in the summers in high school. I was teaching students to swim and I loved watching them. Gain new skills gain confidence and be able to do things they couldn't do With did for me was light. A fire of just passion around teaching learning and real excitement around watching someone gain new skills and do things they didn't think they could do I then spent some time as a middle school teacher. I taught English history and I loved the opportunity to help. Students develop their confidence and to gain more flexibility with language as I've been teaching for a number of years the tech coordinator in my school drag me to a conference one weekend that was about digital storytelling and took back to my classroom. Some of what? I learned there where I brought in new opportunities for my students to communicate in different ways and I realize that while teaching the five paragraph essay is a great way to organize your thoughts. Writing is really important skill. It wasn't where communication was going in as a professional. I don't think I've ever convinced anyone of anything with five paragraph essay. Although I learned some valuable skills from that the other thing I noticed as I brought digital video back into my classroom and that kind of storytelling was the students who are great. Writers weren't necessarily great visual communicators. And the students who struggled with writing often found new possibilities as they began to communicate visually unto tell stories and so it it what struck me was the importance of all students having skills that would allow them to be successful in a world that was going to be increasingly Visual increasingly ritual so everyone everyone loves I if I should. I should mention my wife also taught swimming and all through high school as well and and side thought that was weird. Interesting Connection Everyone loves a good origin story. And anyone who's listened to any bit of the podcast over? The last couple of years knows a bit of mine. And there's a weird adobe connection not a weird one a cool adobe connection to it ten year average is one of my heroes Tanya. I wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't for Tanna. And she knows that we've had many talks about it and I am. You know I love that. I consider a friend we hang out and stuff and so that's fantastic. But she was very very influential in me building up my career when I was teaching in the classroom. And she was a big advocate for me and It got me thinking about an we also really love working with Clara. And The Times that we've we've we've worked with her and you know so it it got me thinking about your team and it's actually a lot like the participate team. Interestingly enough how education is at the core of your team in the sense that like you're an educator and was and and and ten is and and like your whole team is is educators. That's at the core of your of Your Group. And you've been with adobe for quite a while. I guess nine years now and I'm thinking about like the team and what you've done not like nine years ago. I wouldn't have listened almost a single adobe product as a must have tool in like Kedah eight or K. To twelve education I really wouldn't but now you know when we go through a list of to eight K. To twelve tools that you would have to have. I mean there's so many so I'd love to talk a bit about your team bit about the last nine years where you know you've done so much like if you had to write a story of like companies that have really brought it in the last night and your ten years Adobe in education have to be near the top of the list will thank you. I'm really glad to hear that. That's exciting I think that I have worked really consciously to build a team of educators and that is Women Usual Group at Adobe as we think about where adobe going and engaging with future creators this is critically important team and we need to have a voice to lean on the great giants ship of Adobe Direction in a way to engage the next generation and one critical way to do that is through educators. So I think of my team as folks who speak education as their first language Then we also speak technology. We speak design and are but those are second languages and so some of what we're trying to do is bring the important voice. The understanding that of being rooted in the classroom and that experience of being able to convey that to a technology company that's designing tools and then also to be able to think about learning design and the best ways in which we can help educators and students be inspired and empowered to tell their own stories to gain the critical skills and knowledge that they need. I would say that some of what's helped us over. The last nine years is also what's happened in the landscape when I started as a technology coordinator Students came to the lab and I worked mostly with teachers to help them figure out how to integrate technology into curriculum but the lab was where everything lived. I had the expertise and knowledge. I had the tools people could come into my space. It is completely one hundred percent the opposite now. That students come in with all of tools that they need even just on their smartphone. They come in with experience and with interest outside of the classroom and so the role of educators has really shifted so I wish I could take credit for this but I really kept partly about just the nature of communication the kinds of tools that we have at our fingertips the understanding of the power of media and digital video as a way to help communicate who we are to change minds to get ideas across and so I think that's really the critical shift. I will say the other thing that my team doesn't Claire as a fabulous example of this. She's deeply connected to other educators the further you get from the classroom the harder it is to remember it was like and so some of what we do is listen really carefully to the eight hundred thousand educators on the exchange to the leadership communities to understand what circumstances look like particularly today as we face really unprecedented times standing who are audiences with the kinds of things that they need and the ways in which we can help them has been critical so tasty. I'm an instructional coach. And we're always looking for tools to put in the hands of our students that will help them to express their ideas through creation. But we're looking for tools without a big learning curve to allow the focus to be on the learning and the content of content area and not on the learning of a specific tool One of the tools that Mike and I have raved about on the podcast is adobe spark which if educators out there listening. If you haven't tried this tool out with your students you should do this immediately. It is simple to use but it allows students to create professional products Is the simplicity behind these tools. Intentional am imagining. So and I'd like to hear more about kind of when you guys are even your team or or just you guys when you're having these conversations putting these tools specifically into the hands of kids. What's the thought process behind that absolutely? I think that's such a spark. Tools are such a great example. The the when this started just as the seed of an idea. The engineer who was leading this project his wife was a teacher so he talked a lot to her about use cases understanding what how things would work in the classrooms and welcomes have evolved tremendously since then the core principle about designing a tool. That is easy to use. That's web base where the technology barrier that design barriers are are low so it's easy to create something beautiful and it. Lets you stay focused on what? You're trying to communicate. That's absolutely the intent behind spark and the set of tools that WANNA make it easy to stay focused on your story. That's the hardest part. The technology is easy to get distracted by but the most important thing is the content that you're creating the story that you're telling and so creating a tool that is web based where you don't all you need to do is know how to click a plus button is a really critical strategy and directly designed to empower students. Who are as young as my son in in second grade. He started using spark in kindergarten to be able to use a tool that can create things that are beautiful and powerful and this is the way we want students to demonstrate their learning to write like. It's you know especially in the time that we're going through right now where where there's a lot of transition A lot of shifts in mindset in terms of grading You know standardized tests have been thrown out the window You know completely Building up your what. You've learned in terms of demonstrating that stuff though hasn't hasn't gone away in shouldn't go away. We just need to find more creative ways to do it. So talk a little bit about how adobe and how it's being used in the classroom to build you know we can call them portfolios or call them You know other other ways to demonstrate what you've learned then just the mark that's on the on the sheet of paper that goes home. That isn't GonNa Happen in some places this year absolutely and I think we've got a really interesting opportunity as educators to rethink assessment and the ways in which we can help students demonstrate what they know and can do their competencies their their ability to reach particular standards. That lots of the ways in which we've done that have gone out the window absolutely that schools are making decisions about grading based on equity. And who has? They don't want a grade privilege and essentially the students who have access to devices who have access to the Internet who have quiet spaces to work. Are The students are GONNA do well? That's not the point for anyone and I think that poses a real challenge for us to figure out. How do we do assessment? I'm hopeful that one of the things that lasts beyond this The current situation that they're that we're in is really a deep focus on. What are the right ways to assess student learning and as I look at the possibilities around portfolio? I think there's some really exciting. They're exciting ways in which students can use portfolios to show who they are what they no one can do to show their growth and change over time to tell a story about where they want to go there interesting opportunities as the college admission process ships for next year where they won't be relying on standardized testing where a transcript is harder to evaluate when some districts are gratings. Some districts have shifted to pass fail. A Some districts are just basing your great on the. I work that you did in this in this particular time periods so I think the the push for students to really think about. What do they know and can do? And how do they demonstrate that Gives them both the flexibility to bring in things that they're doing within their classrooms within their schoolwork and their online learning but also to bring in their experiences. Now some of them are working. Some of them may be taking care family and different kinds of ways and the things that they're learning as they are communicating with the broader community critically. Important and so. I think we've got an exciting opportunity right now. To rethink segment to incorporate ideas around portfolio. We already know that that colleges that employers look at people so social media profiles to be intentional about the story that you're telling and curate that so that you're communicating. What's important about you? And whether that's the arc of your growth or it's where you've ended up I think they're just great possibilities for students right now. So during cove nineteen and now distance learning many of our educators are just basically reaching out and trying to find resources and trying to find great ideas. Not just okay ideas. Great ideas of a hot cocoa and connect with their students said and really make the learning meaningful. How is adobe supporting educators? During this crisis we're in for things we did. Very quickly was start to pull together Distance learning resources and we pulled from a variety of different places. We will look at the best practices that we had already on the education exchange of. Which is Adobe Free Platform for educators? We pull together resources for people who were just getting started. And we're lucky in that. So many of the educators work with our digital media experts and are great at communicating through the kinds of media. That that everybody is relying on today so we looked for best practices. We worked with folks like Tanya to make sure that we could highlight the work. She's been doing and and give her a microphone to be able to watch live streams. I've been watching a couple of them. They've been great and I think we've seen some great educators participating we also Worked on creating resources with Khan Academy that it caught recall plus create that essentially take some of those resources that are student facing an add. A place where you can create something or make something in response to those so part of what we've been trying to do is look at the ways in which we can help educators who are having to transition credibly quickly and I think the first few weeks everyone was focused on the right things. At least. That's what came across to me. They were focused on connection. How do we maintain some consistent communication with students? How do we ensure that all students have access? And I think we're we're heading is also really interesting whereas we move beyond the crisis into. How do we really ensure that learning happens? Well then we're asking different questions. What are the kinds of skills? That were teaching. What are the kinds of opportunities that students have to learn new things? It's not about covering content. But that's really developing the critical competencies. That will meet with face. A tremendous amount of change so tasty we We generally ask this question near the end of the interview. We don't give anyone a heads up on it because it's fun and and so we're asking you this question to and to be honest to be fair every answers great. So don't be worried about it at all. I love to know what three pieces of media three things? Three books three videos anything that has inspired you. Something that you consumed were growing and learning any any three pieces of media. That taught you something. You may be a book. You reread all the time or anything. Any any pieces of media that we can share with the audience that they can go and listen to or read as well as they continue learning to. Well I think one of the things I'm gonNA reference is is the assemblies that my son school have been putting on during Copa Nineteen. So one of the things they've done is have they perform a song and the teachers all sang a stand by me to the students. I can't send you to look at this because of privacy concerns or something that's really powerful to me about people coming together to do something that's kind that's bigger than themselves conveying. The story of who they are. My son loves to watch IT WITH ME because it makes me cry at a time when she thinks hysterical but honestly it's the it's watching these teachers in their commitment to the students they're reaching out through music Through video to make sure that students don't feel alone that they get to see their teachers with their dogs in their back yards are tucked away in a corner their house. But there's something personal about that. There's something universal so that that's not a great one to answer your question. It's the one that really stands out to me right now And then I. I've been thinking a lot about Station Eleven. I don't know if you've read that book. But it is kind of an end of the world book about about an epidemic essentially that wipes out a huge percentages of the population and what survives and how people as humans come together. So the the thread for me. Is this like what's the point of connection? How big your out. How to learn from each other to recreate meaning how to stay engaged with other people how to be kind in really challenging and trying circumstances and so that's one I've read a number of times and then the other one and I taught middle school. I Love Young adult fiction. So I'm going to talk about a book like Herron has then. Of course the title is escaping me right now but maybe. I'll talk about out of the dust. Which is a book she wrote about the dust bowl which is inverse It sounds like such a strange Middle School Book. But it's really a beautiful story about a family and it's told so poetically language that's really powerful and so I picked a just a book two books and one piece of media some of the things that I that I come back to you that billionaires tasty. Where can people connect with you if they were to be able to ask questions and follow up with anything? Where's the shares? Maybe the easiest way is on twitter. I'm at tasty Tac Y zero. W Casey thanks so much for joining us. This was great pleasure. Thanks for the opportunity. I really appreciate the work that you all do. Thanks for listening to on education my name is Glenn or even my co host. This Mike Washburn on education is part of the on podcast media network. You can listen to this show and many others by great educators like Burns. Mike Mattera Tissue Richmond and many more by visiting on PODCAST MEDIA DOT COM. WanNa get in touch with us. Check out our website at on education. Podcast DOT COM. You can tweet us at on Education Pod. 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The Longest Six Weeks | Mandy Froehlich

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The Longest Six Weeks | Mandy Froehlich

"The new presenting sponsor of on education is participate podcasting at its core is about telling stories on education. We've been sharing the stories of students and educators for two years. Now that's why we're so thrilled to have participate as our new presenting sponsor in this time will work with our friends at participate to highlight many of the amazing communities. There in the hopes he'll seek them out and join the conversation to learn more about participate. Visit PARTICIPATE DOT com. It hasn't felt like forever for me like this is a new lifetime. This is like a longest six weeks of our lives walk on education. Part of the podcast media network. My name is Mike. Washington am glenhaven friends. We haven't awesome pot for you today. We will discuss the state on Ribaud teaching and learning debate whether we should be posting our old high school. Graduation picks on social media and our guest. This week is educator author and Speaker Mandy Froehlich. I I was telling me Andy because we just spoke to her Earlier that I totally have up on my tabs. I'm looking. I'm doing where. He searched on weighted blankets. And we were talking a little. I wanted to save this conversation because I'm totally discovering this for the first time right now this is apparently thing it's a it's a blanket. Yes that is headed. It's heavy hey and it's supposed to like hug you. That's like the that's like the scientific justification that they used to is really. It's meant to replicate being comforted health. Yeah and I call the psychology behind that. When you're sleeping is supposed to be you know. A thing with people don't know you're having huge issues sleeping. You are always a very light sleeper. While by light super I mean you. Don't you usually don't sleep number one very well but very The number of hours have always been a concern. So you've always had different things you've done to try to make to adjust like try to get as many hours isn't as you actually can of good sleep recently has been worse and worse by a lot of people probably can can empathize as far as maybe not in the extreme situation that you're in Mike but is it because partially because of all this I mean of what. The current situation that we're in the stress levels their stress levels of everything could have culminating in one. It's it has to be even though like so without like like I don't want to Belabor on it much but like I'm very I'm one of the very very lucky few who's like personal Life my personal situations have actually improved in the last two or three months. Like as opposed like so like for example Finances I I was actually saying to my wife like our in our in our past are probably our biggest family. Stressor has been money. Sure and this is a thing that everyone is dealing with. A lot of people are dealing with right now. Yes well. I'm one of the very small amount of people whose financial situations are actually improving significantly during this time. And so you know something that would like I said to share high said. Listen if we were dealing with some of the money problems that we dealt with in the past during this time well. I don't know why he was like stress levels. I have insane. Endless amounts of empathy for people who are going through like I am really concerned about the economic situation like like thinking about it a lot and I've been like this close to like being like super hot shaky about it and I'm trying to like think about the big picture and stuff like that but the reality is is that there are millions of people losing their jobs. And you know the the you know not to get like hyper dark about this but like the death rate of from this pandemic cannot be just solely related to the actual medical condition. Because I guarantee you were going to have casualties for lack of better words as it relates to the economic crisis that the whole world is in going to be under in some way shape or form for. Let's be real about it folks the next probably two years. We're going to be in some sort of situation related to what we're dealing with right now. So you know I don't know like I I. I started a new job and I'm very hard at that as well But I think there's been some external things You know so I have about like four five sleeping disorders so I kind of go through a checklist of of all of the things that are like X. factors so I was telling you just before we went on. I just bought a new literally bought a new mattress. Yeah it it just arrived tonight just like I am going to sleep on it for the first time tonight so excited because of like if this is the thing that's been bothering me then. I just saw problem right so so new mattress. They're just about sleep tonight. I hope so the other thing that I saw I have sleep apnea so I have like if listen if this is. Tmi hit that thirty second fast forward and we're fine but listen I so I have sleep apnea and I have A. I have a mask. I don't travel with it because it's just a pain in my apnea isn't like Strong like super dangerous so I don't travel with the all of the stuff but one of the things that I have never been really good at keeping it kinda clean and stuff like that because it's also a giant panda but to do that but you can buy like machines where you can put like the whole system in a machine in a cleans it for you automatically so. I bought one of those so so i. I've only had that for two two or three days so so I'm GONNA buy your way out of this sleep sleeping. Proved the weighted blanket to the next next thing is out. There has the next thing in Lyon after that. So here's quite a list exactly so so like don't like I appreciate everyone who said you know? Take Melatonin Melatonin. Like candy as those like you gotta give me like. Twenty milligrams Melatonin just to stop thinking at night. And you're not like me either Mike. We're view don't drink a whole bunch of caffeine. You know like right before one copy. That's what I'm saying like you're not. You're not a caffeine guy. So you're not still waiting yourself in that manner either no I. I have one coffee. I'm usually done it by seven thirty in the morning. And that's the only coffee. I drink all day. I even drink a lot less pop now to And I'm eating a lot less sugar like a lot of diet stuff like a lot of diet. sodas POPs and sugar-free like. I'm drinking a lot water. Like I'm doing all the right things. Friends like exercising. And I'm still getting like two or three hours of sleep a night so there. Hopefully it's bad soon because two or three is horrible. Yeah Clo- horrible. I I am though solving some of my problems while actually I'm probably not because I'm playing the hell out of this game. I was GONNA say why you're staying awake all of this evening thing all of this to this game. Satisfactory factory is the new. Like so if you've listened to on education training extended period of time you've heard US talk about farm together together. Heard US talk a lot about Oxygen not included and the new farm together slash oxygen not included even get really on the on e Bus. But you definitely were on the farm together. Train for is satisfactory. This game is so good folks but it is very like I dream about Fi- chain management now so we may have figured out what the culprit is everybody this trying to figure out how to run a choline around a power plant so that you can feed a smelter so that you can make steel bars so that you can make reinforced frames. Wow that's my problem that I'm dealing with right now. A lot of logistics there and this is a video game my mind conveyor belts. It is so cool. Talk About Video Games. You guys did a or are working still on the participate. Gone Home The gun home game and it's a book study and I knew you had. I was jumped on. And when you had Paul Darcy and you had funny man Jon Judd's Feick. I don't know why I could actually just say John Spike and of course Steve is yourself. Yeah I was watching you play through the game as experiencing it for the first time so tell us about it. What so first off. You've listened you've if you've listened to the podcast. You would've noticed that you heard a new ad on the show. We haven't even talked about that yet. R baby participate is now the presenting sponsor of on education. It's pretty exciting. Very exciting So you know and now you know what's great about participate. Being the presenting sponsor is that I work there. Which means that that you know one of the things that we've always been looking for in. Our presenting sponsor is deep collaboration. Yes and we've not been super successful with deep collaboration with our presenting sponsors. Thus far for better for worse I work again. I work at participating. It's GonNa Happen. It's so we're really excited. There's a lot of plans in place. And and We're GONNA roll out some of these things super-quick By we we really WANNA share the stories of what's really great. That's happening in these communities these these companies these Nonprofits that have communities on participate and are really doing amazing work and highlighting those. So that when you're listening you go. Oh this is something I'm interested in. I'm going to go on participate in. Check it out and hopefully joined that community and and be involved in that community. Were really excited to share those stories. And so one of the things that's happened is that we've launched In addition to all the communities that we roll up and help people with related to their nonprofit organization organization their community. You know their school district their company. Whatever we also build what are called public communities in these are communities that are tied to kind of interest spaces that you know I think a the staff of participate have interest in Working on But also just kind of general broad spaces for for large groups of people to collaborate and communicate and work together on And one of the newest ones That we've watched a game based learning community And we're really excited about it. It's it's taking off in and were hoping that folks are listening to this right now into a you know. I even interesting games based learning. I'm going to go to that community. GonNa it and you'll see that you know Steve Isaacs. Is there? Paul devices there John Spike Glenn Irvine his. They're all and we're launching a game based learning podcast. We're GONNA talk more about that next week because that's pretty darn exciting to and so one of the things we're doing related to this specific games base. Learning community is a game study. So you know. There's there's book studies where you take a book and you read it together with a group of people and you talk about it. So we're going to play a game and we're going to talk about it. We're talking about it. Live on twitch twitch dot TV slash inside participate you can go there and watch us every Thursday at three o'clock right now it's Thursdays and three Play you'RE GONNA WATCH ME. Play the game With Paul and John and Steve so the four of us. And we're GONNA be talking the entire time we're playing and then we go to the participate game based learning community. And there's a discussion where people can reflect. They can weigh in. They can tell us their thoughts on the playthrough. Their own personal playthrough. Because we're obviously still encouraging people to play as well So you know if you have gone home or if you WANNA go buy it. It's not very expensive. I think it's fifteen dollars on the EPA game store You know join us. We're we're just getting started One of the really cool exciting things. That's coming up real soon. is Well by the time this comes out you you you won't. You'll be able to catch it on Youtube but what we're We're having the the Co lead developer for gone. Home is joining the livestream. This Thursday tomorrow too so like I'm a little bit nervous. That'd be playing on home for the developer of gone home watching play. She'll be excited. Yes so I am pretty excited about it. I'm pretty excited about the participate presenting sponsorship. I'm excited about the communities. I'm excited to start sharing stories about what these communities are doing And it kind of all you know all works together so yes satisfactory God home oxygen not included again a lot of minecraft. I got another big announcement coming up next week to share but minecraft But you like tell me about Mr Mercedes so if you know me you've hurt you've listened to the podcast you know that. I hate scary movies and that could also include anything that has like jump scares or those kinds of things you know. Gross things in it so this show. I'd say would qualify in all those because it's based upon a book series by Stephen King. So it is a kind of a crime novel About a call it a serial killer you know. Cut Her that. That would be a good description of it anyway. I my wife's a big fan of Stephen King. She's an author herself and she just super passionate about anything. Stephen King related had heard of this. It's like it's not a newer movie at all and now it has like three sorry show now has about three seasons or so but jet heard about it where like I. Let's go ahead and start at. You know we have some time in the evenings now My goodness if you've never watched this before it is well worth getting it We ended up buying the whole season. Just taking the risk of it at it is phenomenal. I mean right from the beginning through the actual final episode. Which usually you know those are kind of like let bows those final episodes of a series. This is fantastic. All the way through it is a great characters great storytelling the actually the Colo bread. Obviously these stories and said that they stick to the characters and the things very well in this stuff that they decided to take their own license. She said was very well done. There was some characters they added as far as the thing and as far as the show that were very well done but Mr Mercedes highly recommended teddy bear. That's out there. It's freaking awesome. It's Great Mr Mercedes. I don't like scary movies either regardless of your your high recommend. I'm not sleeping. Folks need this what they're brutal. Don't let those nope. Let's sleep I so so this is this is finding. I don't have a strong strong take on this interesting. Should we be posting our high school? Graduation picks for stuff. No one wants to see what I look like when I was do though I was just thinking about that so anyway. On the controversy is supposedly the reason why people were posting their picks. Let's start with that. We're going to be if we were going to be like stating a reason. I believe and this is kind of what people have been stating is they wanted to do it. In honor of the class of Twenty. Twenty whose graduation may or may not happen at the time that it takes though. I also. Don't you think though Mike that people are going to by people? I mean? The schools are going to make extraordinary efforts to do something for all of these kids all over the nation. Why I think we're going to do so. I don't know what it is yet. I've heard have you heard? I've seen this trending on twitter by the way I sorry. I'm going off topic here. This Barack Obama thing have you seen this trending? I don't know if you have but where he's going to deliver a virtual commencement address to all the class of twenty twenty. Have you heard? I don't know if it's really gonNA happen if this is just a giant rumor. That then got circulated on twitter. And now it's trending but it's really trending super high if it did have any fantastic hundred percent for that but anyway it was kind of a way to honor them. You Know Lech. Laugh at ourselves a little bit. Whatever might be so some of our friends for example John B and bits appreciates the posting of this because he said it was. I think. Like AS Roma's it in their face and negative throws it in their face kind of those types of things Makes them feel better. It's making them feel worse. And I think some of the takes are funny on it because number one the best takes. Our ardor students aren't on facebook which is a great. I love that take Yeah they use that thing. That are really cared. Post your bellies book. Highschool picks us. It's our generation older people than us you know that are using facebook as far as their preferred social media platform so. I thought that was kind of a funny. Take on it too and of course some people are just like. It's not that serious you know. It's not something so and and what we do we do. Obviously we be when we knew this was approaching when you were talking about this. The number one thing that we were concerned about his Our kids is needs. Both their physical needs right food. Those types of things safety and their emotional needs social emotional connections that they might miss those things and making sure that we could reach out to them and connect with them as best as we possibly could We're still there. We're still doing those types of things and in this case we have this class of twenty twenty and it is a. it's sad. I empathize for that. You know I feel bad for them. As far as not being able to go ahead and celebrate the things that normal senior high school seniors get to celebrate which would be prom on any kind of culminating athletic or other types of activities there culminating activities that they were going to do and then of course their graduation but I could. I just have a hard time believing and I know that my principal examples already brainstorming. About how are we going to honor them? The best way that we can and that may have to be that we do a graduation. Mike sometime later entertainment. Like six months down the road. We may have to go out and get backed out and then be able to get back together. We may need to do a a combination of physical graduation sometime later at something virtual that special for them you know for them to be able to commemorate them. I just thought it was a little bit hardcore core to think that people were putting getting kids as faces or you know that that this was such a serious thing. I actually just enjoy looking at people's graduation pictures I met. Joseph looks post by. Yeah Dude met. Joseph is like now supermodel in high like making fun of himself and he was like laughter. And here's this. He's like a character off of a ninety s teenage show nine a Beverly Hills. Nine to anno- he could have been a character and Adam going. What are you like? Don't make for yourself like Jeez? Yeah I think so. I think there's also an interesting cultural thing here because just graduation and stuff like that is just not as big a deal like like your senior year like I just. I didn't I didn't care at a lot of people I knew. Didn't like give me my diploma and let me just get the hell out of here kind of thing. There's there is those people that feel that way too. Yeah it's just not as big a thing I just. I have no strong opinion on this. Really shockingly for like maybe this is like the only time we're not way side or another. Just listen post you damn highschool pick if you want to you. Look you look pretty dumb Post my I have good hair. You'll have hair. Yeah funny so that'll be. That'll be traumatizing. A little I was. I was really skinny until I was about. Twenty two like six. I was in good shape too but I was So yeah I mean but post you want. Maybe if KI listen if it makes kids feel better. That's great. I'm sorry if it doesn't you know again. It's not on Facebook anyways. It's meant to be to burn them or anything like that. Yeah intent the intent is not malicious. Yes not have spent a lot of time talking about it. Remote learning distance. Learning those two terms are fairly synonymous or at least they're the terms people are using to associate with. What's going on right now but I I really do actually like this re frame this idea of I mean this isn't remote. Learning this is emergency learning. This is Trauma Teaching Pandemic Time Education S. It's it's not the same as what a robust effective remote learning situation could possibly look like. Yeah this is not the model please in almost any situation for how this would work if it was working without you know a virus spreading around the world killing everybody And I think we just need to reframe it that way right. Yeah and I mean I really like Phil. Poli our friend educator in Illinois wrote an article that he basically I liked the term that he's using he says this is not distance learning. This is definitely not Online e learning at its effectiveness as you just finished describing it. This is he called educational triage. And that's actually what it is because we are just trying to do our best and he actually puts talks about kind of the inequities that we've described both in technology and in economic status and accesses that being able to go ahead and and the different types of family situations that you may be in And everything else in between and basically he's talking about how I we have to address those maslow's needs and we just finished describing those those things where your security and being able to go ahead and a good meal and Just having a safe environment first before we go ahead and do anything with blooms and then finally. The last layer of that would be technology and those components that you actually learned this. It's kind of this this line and we would never just totally just throw ourselves into this situation. And like I said I told I set it on the podcast before we had an opportunity in Minnesota. Two weeks to train to prepare for this thing. Yeah and though. That was a significant amount of time. Because we've never had two weeks to do anything you know. As far as it goes you would never throw anything together. Two weeks and then try to bus something out like that. You know as far as a jerk. Too strict wide. Yeah and then try to say yet this is GonNa work is basically. You wouldn't do it intentionally. You would just do it because you had to. You know this was this was you. Were going to put a plan in place that was going to be the best plan you could be able to implement for what you currently have an everything but the training the technology to be able to access and all those kinds of things so. I think it's really important to because I have a bad feeling. You know how you were talking about. What happens after Mike and the article that you were that you wrote that you authored there for participate that to do what happens after all this. I have this bad feeling that some people are GonNa take the worst of what happened here and then apply it to online and distance learning. You know what I mean. So so cherry. Pick the things that happened only because we didn't have time to prepare. This is not the set of circumstances that anybody would have wanted like you just finished describing a pandemic around the world and then Cherry pick those things and then say this is why online learning or e learning or distance learning a remote learning or whatever might be. Does it work? And I think that we immediately need to put an end to that and say now that you can't equate those two things. The only thing that we can equate that we can learn some lessons from this time. And I think that's what you were describing. Your article correct is far as there are some things that we can learn and then apply it to the fall or to To the years to come so in addition to I love the by the way I love the framing of Maslow's before blue. Really tell you it puts it into a whole other perspective these days which is crazy and You know thinking about even some of that stuff as we move forward And what happens? You know in the future what happens next and what happens in while maybe let's say. September when we started going back to our schools and and I cannot but wonder if If people are are are going to be afraid to go back to school our friend. Corey Graham Posted a twitter poll that got quite a few votes printing. Good sample two hundred and seventy eight votes And the question was simple. If your school opens up this fall would you feel comfortable slash safe going back to teaching in a building? Please feel free to comment. Fifty two percent said yes they would feel comfortable. Nineteen percent said no and twenty eight percent. Said no but I would still go What do you make of this? That's where I voted. I put no but I would still go. I'm still uncertain. You know everything. So up in the air And a lot of it has to do just obviously Some of it is political. Some of is just really truly the unknown. You know we really just don't know enough and our decisions as communities as governments as institutions the decisions that we make you know including obviously this kind of stay at home that we're doing right now and then whenever the decision to get spayed that we should you know fully go back. Kinda go back with both to schools and to work in general all of those things are GonNa make a huge impact. That we actually. It's so uncertain. What's so funny? Is what a lot of people you know pundits. Get out there. And then they're making comments about this or that we really don't know and I would rather err on the side of caution than anything else though I tell you right now I would love to go back and just you know to the normal and have my kids be able to go back and experience be back with their friends and do all the things physically go into work but I put no but I would still go because at this moment in time. I'm still super uncertain. I think we're so early in this whole process. In the way that I hear the the experts in these pandemics and in studying of these of these diseases of this type of virus they're uncertain and their uncertainty definitely carries a lot like. Oh God we need to tread lightly before we make these big moves of and is I'll go back. Let's see what happens because the results could be devastating. And that's what I don't WanNa see you know for both for my own and my family's safety obviously but for all my community at all the kids that are schools for them too. Yeah I've really I. I know that Isaac is missing his friends In his school community he loves his teacher this year. I think he's missing her Because she was really nice to Kinda. She was a teacher in the classroom. Good with the relationships and spending time with them she had a call with them on Google hangouts or something The first week they were back in everyone was it was it was a gong show but it was like the best kind of gun show. You know what I mean like. They just loved. They loved the the chance to be in in a chat with her online. And stuff like that so it was really really cool. He had a really good. He had a really good class this year. I was lucky I've done it a couple years where I've had the chance to go in and teach his class. Yeah I've done it a couple times. I think in grade four and then I didn't last year but in grade six this year and He had a really good class. This year. So it's a little disappointing. Now that being said listen I I think that the X. factor in this answer is whether you have confidence in your district to implement strong smart kind of safety protocols regulations Procedures for like. You can't just go back to school and just like nothing ever happened There's a really good article I'll try to find it for the show notes. from A writer for the Atlantic who was talking about How like this isn't this doesn't end in September when people go back to school. This this is like a two year thing phones Where you know life isn't just going to you're not GonNa just snap your fingers and be back to the way things were There's going to be years. You know there's easily you know eight months before. We even have a vaccine and then easily six months before this herd immunity after the vaccine. So we're still talking like a year and a half at least crazy Before we feel confident in the fact that you know that the pack can You know keep kind of the the vulnerable safe. Yeah You know kind of thing and I don't know I think that if I was a teacher and going back into a classroom. I just have a lot of questions about what you're doing to keep us safe when you're doing to keep me safe what you're doing to keep the kids safe and what you doing to keep my family safe. Who have to go back home to because the the the problem that you have. Is You then become a vector for your family big time? Yeah right because actually what it is. All of those kids go home to their twenty families. Twenty five families thirty families for God's sake and you don't know and then you don't know where all of those people in those families have been and who they've seen in who they've talked to but then they all come back to class the next day and so you become and then you bring that home with you and now so I would just need to be sure that I worked at a district that district that talk about them caring about their teachers and there's districts that actually do and we've seen very clearly the difference between the two. I called it I swear to God I called it right at the start of this. I wrote a tweet that got like you know. We went all over the place. But we're seeing the district's the care and the districts that don't and the district's that thought about how they were dealing with this and the district's that didn't plan and those districts are the ones that when you go back to school are not going to have your best interest potentially in mind It's just the way it is. I'm sorry but it's the absolute truth. And so I would be really really concerned if I was in one of those districts and then if I was in a district that seems to know what they're doing and care about their staff then. I would be more confident. Is that fair? And and in the United States I would say to add to the point there. What you're describing at the higher level the state governments especially with the way that the federal government is kind of passing the buck to the states to make the big decisions. That really is where all of the decision making will take place. When do we actually go? Back will be made at the state level. And that's crazy if you think of a so it Sayed each state. I lived on the border of For thirteen years between Minnesota and Wisconsin Mike and it was like. I've been literally across the bridge and Wisconsin and there were schools on both sides obviously of of the things. We had interactions. We even had a athletic activities that we did cry across the state lines. I can't see how each state depending upon the person. The people that are in charge are going to make this huge decision on behalf of their constituents That's not a decision. That's being made nationwide so it's so it's so crucial and. I hope that I mean obviously I can sense it. As far as in Minnesota we have a guy as a former teacher and you can tell the he has the number one interests of his citizens specifically when and also his kids the students. He's that's hit. Their safety is is that his ultimate main concern though he is interested in obviously business in and the economic impact that you were describing earlier because it's humongous devastating. The safety of the citizens is number one and then those other factors as he actually goes through. But that's not everybody you know. That's there's fifty different decision makers that are going to be making those decisions At least for us so it's really going to be interesting and also freaky come fall to see who goes back like I am actually some. I think some schools. They'll haven't we have. It cancelled for the rest of the year. Though so that itself will be a conversation for us to have in the next few weeks. Those of you guys that end up going back to school. We want to talk to and I've talked about this year if you go back to school this year. That's going to be the plan. Please contact us because we wanted to just to know what how the decision was made it. What are you guys? GonNa do you know? Are you going to practice Social distance are sorry physical distancing away from each other you know. How are you going to do that? It's crazy might happen in Texas in two weeks. Yeah it could boy. Well listen Blooms plumes needs. It's going to come back to blue point. I guess speaking of Bloom's needs When we come back we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA spend some time laughing and talking with our our very good friend Mandy Froehlich so stay. Tuned on. Education is brought to you by go. Guardian Go Garden Helps Thousands of k twelve school districts maximise the learning potential of every students by providing solutions that help enable productive and safe digital learning go guardians products help educators identify learning patterns protect students from harmful and distracting content and support mental health to support schools during their remote learning transition. Go Guardians is offering free access to their entire product suite until the end of the school year to learn more about gold guardian and download free resources about remote learning this. It GO GUARDIAN DOT COM. Welcome back to the PODCAST. Everyone our guest. This week is a prolific author. I love that word consultant speaker and a great friend of the pod Mandy Froehlich. Welcome to the podcast now. Thanks so much for having me on so to my favorite did I. I wanted to be sure your name right off nails so excited about that baby steps right now. Everything is what I'm clinging to in my life. So what have you been up to? What's what's going on with you. How are things. How's your health? How how's everyone doing in Wisconsin? Well Wisconsin. It's been a twenty five degrees a study twenty five degrees for the last month. So that's been really fun because when you say we're homebound actually home bound. Can you guys are in Canada Minnesota? So you understand. But I did some webinars for district in Florida today. Where they're like. Oh it's so warm and I'm like Oh that's amazing for you. We're just sitting couch. Playing Mario Kart for the last six. That's fantastic I'd so Yeah I have It's it's we haven't been able to do a whole lot. I was sick for a little while. They claimed I had the virus. They kind of tested me all around for everything else. And everything came back negative and so they said well you have all of the all of the symptoms. So we're pretty sure that you have it but they weren't gonNA hospitalize me so they didn't waste tests on me and if it was what they said it was it was awful. It was absolutely terrible. So I'm I took about a month to recover from that name just finally coming back and so I kind of absent from social media a little bit things. I'm just trying to trying to get healthy but So yeah trying to trying to play catch up now because it's not like work actually stops so right no definitely not by it. You know. It's funny that at this point. Almost everybody knows somebody who has been in contact with somebody or you know you know can can like have a conversation with someone who knows someone who has had the virus. So we're it's really spreading like we've had scares in our house. All of our kids got sick in the last couple of weeks while two two weeks ago I guess in like it's like it's a scary when your kids get sick now. It's like it was terrifying to me. Cherry and and it's funny 'cause I we. We texted while you were second and and I can imagine how how scary it was and I was concerned. I'm like I've been texting friends and like just checking in on people and You know It's it's it's a wild time but you have been doing. I did notice that you've been doing this this coffee. Edu stuff and I wanted you to share that out so that people can can. At least you know jump in on it. If they're interested so tell us what you do in. I guess you're doing this in the mornings soon. That's when you drink coffee right yeah well. You know. Sometimes at two o'clock in the afternoon but most normal people do it in the morning and I appreciate you checking up on me as well when I was sick that that was definitely a highlight so I do appreciate that The coffee EDU started literally. Because I had not really talked to anybody orban in contact with anyone and I was so flipping lonely so it didn't matter even though I had my kids around me or whatever it was I just needed adult conversation and to to say something you know. Have the kind of people around me who lifted me off in who want to talk about education and are kind of on the same wavelength with that and just have this kind of conversations and so I just put it out there and You know people people joined in. It's bad something people each week. Some different people but it's been really a lot of fun. Sometimes we talk about education sometimes. We don't A lot of discussion about. Just what's going on in your area with being locked down or homebound and comparing notes kind of for that so it's just something I'm doing for now to help ease some of the isolation and loneliness people so it's been really good Usually at depend on Wednesdays at nine thirty. Am Central Standard Time This week it had to be changed to tomorrow upside webinars to do so tomorrow. Thursday but usually time Wednesday nine thirty. Nice Nice that's awesome so one of the conversations that I'm interested in in your thoughts on revolves around not necessarily what's happening now because they think that we've really you know exhausted the conversation about what we're doing now and I'm done a little bit with it. I'm definitely thinking a lot about where we go from here and what happens next. I just wrote a blog post myself on participate blog about what happens next and I'm wondering what your thoughts are on things like So the conversation that came up in some of my twitter feed over the last couple of days talking about being afraid to go back whether we should be afraid to go back when when we get the chance to go back into the classrooms. What are we looking for? What should we be looking forward to? And what what do you think about like the psyche of of that kind of process of re integrating yourself into into a classroom? While I really do think that the sooner that you just accept that things are never going to be the same The the quicker. You're going to be able to adjust to what the new normal is and You know we don't even know when going back is going to be my kids at school district yesterday. Sent out an email saying that as of right now summer schools not happening So unless things start changing. They're not even going to try to do it online. They're just not going to do it at all. So you know looking into into the fall. I think it was the Ohio Governor. That said that he would be shocked if we went back in in August or September. And so we don't even really know when going back is going to be and there's there's definitely going to be shifts You know we're GONNA have kids who loved the online learning and who loved the virtual learning and who might want to switch into some sort of virtual program or that schools have and then we have kids who are going to be so glad to get back that you can't I can't even stand it like they're just so excited and But it's definitely going to be an adjustment going back I think especially for adults as we try to figure out You know just kind of what our new normal is again so I guess like I said I guess my thoughts are on the quicker that you can accept that. It's not going to be the same the quicker you can start adjusting to being ready to how it's going to be speaking to you about mental health and I'm thinking about mental health. Not only of our students. Because we've talked about that quite a bit on the show us. Educators people were were at home with our kids our spouses twenty four seven In my case I even have my in laws. Here's Back and it puts this stress. That's very unique. You know and I think the reason why it's unique is because normally you'd be able to get away you know you'd be able to go ahead and say you know in five days from now we're going to go do X. Y. Z. Or ominous go. Here I'm going to do this. And I think that also keeps relationships healthy being able to get away those types of things share and then we have these work demands right and so we are educating from home. Were doing this distance learning thing and Mike and I have talked about it you know. What is it like? What is you know and what I have heard? A lot of our educators talking about is like they don't know because none of us were prepared for this except for people like Mike who I actually has done some work from home. How do you separate your work and home life? And how do you make those two things work? And I've seen these kind of NEAT little schedules. Someone put together this schedule for their kids. And it's like one hour of project based learning and one hour of being creative and then we're gonNA put together things for thirty five minutes and then we're GonNa go outside for an hour physical activity or whatever might up tweeting and I actually. I saw that and I'm just like that so much BS. Because I at least I don't live in that perfect world where I can just plug my kids into those situations or plug myself Eve it. It's hard for me to kind of do those to say. Hey I'm going to do. This routine. Work is part of the routine for me now like now I started figuring that out is like you wake up. You understand that you're going to go to this place to do. This thing called working. You're going to devote yourself to that but when you come home then you can kind of separate those things. I think it 'cause it's causing kind of this new new mental health issues for people relationship issues in. How do we separate these two things at an? What kind of suggestions you have so that we can you know deal with this like you just said this is kind of the new? This is the new normal we have to. We're in the homes together for these long extended periods of time. What what are some suggestions you have? Because I'm sure you've heard other people with that or even yourself you very experiencing that too many. Yeah absolutely so I kind of had a little bit of a background in pieces of this before this whole thing started. You know one of the things. I had spoken to you guys before that I did was. I left the district and I had to figure out how to work from home and I was shocked at myself and how completely incompetent I was at figuring out like it really is. It should not have been as hard as it was and and I would go. You know I say to myself well I need to create a schedule and I need to stick to routine so I would you know? Set my alarm for like six o'clock and be ready to get up and then I'd hit snooze and I'd hit snooze again because I have to get up and then I'd be a half an hour late and I'm like I've already blown routine so he'd be. I'll just sit on the couch for a little while you know it was it. Was God awful and so I wasn't getting anything done and really had to figure out what's working at home meant for me and it. You know it meant that I am not a morning person like I don't like to work right away in the morning. I'm better if I sit and read or something like that and get something something more. You know quiet and more You know Can Solitary type work done on my own and work with people a little later but I had to figure all of that out and so I understand from the from the standpoint of trying to figure out how to work from home How to balance family and I still have four kids and and they're a little bit older so that makes it easier but I still have them and trying to balance them and then trying to balance a Wendy's work and when people are still contacted you at eight o'clock at night and and so I had taken that experience kind of coupled with the fact that I've been working with districts on moving them towards virtual programs virtual charter schools. Like that's been what I've been doing. His part of my consulting and when I work with districts on that one of the most important conversations I have with them is understanding the mental health aspect of being at home and From the standpoint of just starting a virtual program there are challenges that Students May at first who are at first taking a virtual program might think that it feels amazing to be able to work from home and tell the loneliness and isolation said and then they're like Oh. This isn't as much as I thought it was going to be and You know and in the same thing happens with adults like we're like you know people say to me all the time. Oh my gosh you are so fortunate you work at home and and that must be the best experience ever and I am super super fortunate for what I do. But there are definite challenges to I have to seek out adult conversation and N and I have to intentionally create situations where I get to be social. Mba around people. Or I don't get that at all and no matter how introverted you are. You do need that interaction. How process emotions? It's how we some of US Like I'm I'm a big processor out loud so I need to process ideas with people and when I'm home alone at missing that another thing that you kind of mentioned Glenn is is the specific situation. Where and now and Some of us are teachers and possibly other workers the for doing any other kind of work or helping a spouse or something like that. We are Parents sometimes like for baby parents like where we're doing all the things right now and we're not meant to do all those things go and when you say you know in my melody mcallister. She's got five little kids and her and her husband are both working from home right now. And if I ever said self-care to her she would laugh in my face. Like you've gotta be kidding me. No how itself sitting here a bottle of wine that I've got sitting on the cover that's myself carried out. That's it but the fact that the matter is is that you you do have to make time for yourself and you know who knows. Maybe that's switching off with a spouse of making sure each of you are getting at least a half an hour to yourself. You know. I know that when my kids were little at used to lock myself in the bathroom and they would still pound on the door but at least I got like we all do that right. Tell me we all do that. But that is more five minutes of it but that kind of stuff is going to be super important as we work through all of the demands that were trying to take on right now which are just. It's just not possible to do it all well and you're listening you're wonderful writer and I and I love almost everything you have written and I love when you share with me so that I can make sure I read it and so I read one of your blog posts the other day and it dovetails very nicely into what you just said a little bit and you wrote this however this time we have is unprecedented time to spend with our families that we normally have in. May never get again. I feel like the universe has been flashing the yield sign. And when we didn't it decided to do it for us something to make us look at each other again in the eyes and remember who we are as individuals families and communities time to be still recalibrate to do the little things that we haven't done because we've been so busy that we forgot we've enjoyed it love that and You know it's so hard like you said to tell melody to take some time to recalibrate. Jeez Yo you can take one of my kids. If you want to recount recalibrate. I get it. I'll five right but you need. We need this a little bit and I'm seeing it in myself especially right now like like I you know I started a new job Just literally just before. They locked all the airports. I got home. You know I from North Carolina and You know and then they close the schools and you know everyone's home and then Cheryl has to figure out how to teach kindergarten Kindergarten online. Who does that and but you know we still tried to find like I've loved taking walks and I was never a taking walk guy. I'm not a take. Let's go take a walk type of person but I found that I was even like the other day I had like a free forty five minutes on like let's go for a walk. I was volunteering. That's how you know where we've come to where I'm the guy saying. Okay let's get us up forty five minutes where I've no meetings. Let's go for a walk and so all four of us go for a walk and I'm wondering I guess I and I and I don't actually I wouldn't mind asking both of you. What are we what are we doing? What are you doing right now to kind of fulfil this idea? This time that you have to spend maybe a little more time appreciating your family despite the situations that were fighting ourselves in and or time to reflect. Or think about what you're doing in your work or your life. What have you been trying to do to make that a reality Mandy yeah well I do think that You know trying to think positive amidst these kinds of circumstances as hard as it can seem sometimes is really I mean it really is super important when you know just when you talk about the brain. The things that we do Most are the things that our brain is going to want to continue to do. So if we continue to think negatively and complain Brain is going to continue to do that. If we start to feel start feeling more positively and practice gratitude I brain going to rewire in. It's going to start to do that and so I think there are things that we can find that feel feel more positive in the midst of this. I got to put a puzzle together with my daughter at one point and my one one of my sons is is still up in college but the other one got to come home You know get to spend almost the entire semester with him and the whole summer and There have been a lot of release. Add things that have happened but I really do believe that. Hit No kind of what I said about. The universe flashing the yield side. Like I feel like we were going a million miles an hour and we weren't stopping and so whoever you believe handles that kind of stuff was like. Hey now an office enough. I've warned you and it's not working so I'm going to do something about it. And and when you think about the significance of the pandemic and what what's you know I've heard people come. Compare it to nine eleven and it does feel very nine eleven. Ask Except that that was just the United States and we actually have this very strange connection around the world with people right now. Who are all experiencing the same thing and It's forced everybody to slow down and and I think we can take advantage of that by looking at the people around us going. Wow Hey I can't remember the last time I stopped and looked at you in the eyes you know and and actually notice. You had a conversation where I stop it. I was doing in talk to you and I think that can be a really powerful way to kind of take some of that positively out of the situation and I would say for myself some similar things things that I would say. I didn't do very often. I'm doing very often now. Even things as they would seem kind of like things you should be doing as a father a shooting basketball with your kid every day. It wasn't something I was doing every day. Either done at once on the weekend once every couple of weeks or something like that. Where now? You are spending significant amount of times playing. Pretend drying things playing legos. Doing some things where you were like in the you know. Just the recent past you were saying. I don't have time to be able to do this this and this because I have to do all of this other things you know. You can kind of put those things aside. I found just looking around in my neighborhood. More connections between parents and their kids I've ever seen and we live in this is in suburbia basically. That's the best way to build. A describe is a the the antithesis of where I thought I would ever live but as we moved here we moved here in early August beautiful days in Minnesota and we went and set up our basketball goal and we were outside shooting. We were riding bikes around the neighborhood and we noticed nobody was out. Nobody was doing anything outside. Ever like we could heart we. We didn't wear like the has to be kids here somewhere. The exact opposite is the case. Now in as Mandy was describing. The weather has been horrible but that doesn't matter people are outside and they're walking their dogs. They're riding bikes shooting bass their their but their with their kids. They're not just by themselves. Can exactly what you're describing their Maddie. It's like this. It's a phenomenon I think which for a positive something positive. We can take off from this. And if you were describing Mike you know looking forward. You know those kinds of things. This is one of those things. That's kind of indescribable that we can actually take from. This has nothing to do with online teaching or high. We do this. Whatever might be we. We all know those types of things that we're going to have those conversations about this just about like. How do we treat each other? And what kind of time and effort do we spend with the people that we love you know it versus the things that keep us busy And I've I have found that that's that even in just this is just been a really short period of time. If you think about this if feels like it's been forever. It hasn't felt like forever for me like this is a new life cycle lives. Yeah like a different. This is this is because I remember that previous life. I was with you guys in Florida not long ago. I know but if feels like it's like here's ago and then now we've been in this kind of thing. It hasn't been really that long but it has felt like a a significant shift has happened in this case for the positives. I actually hope that it's something that that doesn't go away. That feeling of being appreciative of our family Even if they're sometimes I know a friend of mine put out an absolutely a friend of mine put out on facebook the other day. So are you married during the pandemic? And if so how's that going back you can only be together for so long but it's you know that feeling gratitude towards the people that that you're with or the people that you can't see right now you know. I had put a a tweet out on twitter weeks or a week ago or something. I have no idea what time of day it is and it said something like what something from the panda from pre pandemic that you miss it. You can't wait to do it again and a lot of people sad hug my grandkids hug my my college student Hug Hug. You know somebody that they love that they can't be with right now and and that's something that I hope doesn't go away that we remember how awful it is to be without these people in our lives that we can be appreciative of having them post pandemic teller audience a little bit about this new book that you're writing or that you wrote reignite the flames. I everything that I've read about from you has to do with a lot of fire and it was kind of fits your personality anyway. I think that's perfect. This is reunited the flames. Yes yeah a little bit about the fire theme throat. All three of them. I couldn't help it. I actually thought about going with water but the fire just made more sense so I wouldn't with that So reignite the flames is probably honestly the fire. Within my favorite book reignite the flames is definitely challenging. That one it is. It's taken all of the research I've done. All of the you know kind of blabbering I've I've gone on about teacher engagement and puts it all together and and really discusses a teacher. Engagement and disengagement. Is You know the the mental health aspect that I've been talking about for a couple of years. As far as what causes disengagement from that is mental health and so it goes through like a personal adversity professional adversity burnout demoralization secondary traumatic stress in teacher trauma. Teacher'd traumas probably the most The one that I've I've added in the most recently as a reason to disengage in that's defined as things like Active shooter drills A student passing away in your own classroom A student becoming violent and physically or verbally assaulting you so that would be one of those things that was kind of added in recently. And so it talks about a about. The reasons for disengagement in then goes through What happens to your body under stress? What your brain and you know actually happens in your brain in your body During Times of rather chronic stress or high stress and then We kind of flips on the other side and starts talking about what positively ingratitude. Due to your brain and body and then how you can re engage if you have become disengaged and so it really is talks a lot about just the different ways that you become disengaged and one of the reasons. I'M SUPER PASSIONATE ABOUT. It is because Here a lot of people talking about burnout which I think is great and I think a lot of people go through a period of I think some burn out in our profession is is natural every year particularly around far CH- February and March when it just like everything just stinks and so It's we kinda tally. The play on words to its conclusion. I guess right. We'll just we'll just go fight the yes so a lot of people talk about burnout but the fact of the matter is that there are a lot of different reasons that you can disengage and so. I I usually give the example of If you are burnt out one of the ways to heal is to kind of pull back right like stopped doing as much as you're doing but if you're demoralized which can look a lot like burnout Demoralized the the way that you heal is actually to dig into a what. Your identity is as an educator and and start working towards passion projects and stuff like that so it's not pulling back so if you're constantly saying that everything is burnout It's possible you're not healing from the thing you actually need to heal from an so events You know Kinda passionate about making sure. All of those areas are understood. That's really interesting. Yes you know we we talk. We could talk all the time I I love that. You're one of the people we hang out with all the time at conferences and stuff because the USA so many fascinating things that I could just spend half an hour just talking about that one thing so that's really fascinating We tend to leave people with with One last question I would love to know in this. This'll be great for the people listening to What are three pieces of media? That can be a video. Podcast A book something. You're reading some some sort of piece of media that you've consumed recently that has made you thinker inspired. You framed the way. You're thinking right now Why don't you share three of those? We We'd love to hear what you're what you've been reading. You're looking at or listening to share while I A lot of what I've been reading and listening to an and researching has really been to the book because I've been finishing that up and and so Kind of be around some of the same things One of the books that I really love is purposeful hustle. And it's by Deanna Sing and it is About how you find not only find your person purpose but really live within that purpose and make decisions based on what you feel your purposes and so There are that I've been reading lately. I've also been reading or I finished reading demoralized by. I'll have to look it up. Doris. I think it's Dora San Toro. I think it is In in that book is a completely on Demoralization in the education profession. There's a lot of Stories in there of teachers Becoming demoralized that looks like and what they say. And how you can re engage and that book is banned A huge part of some of my Demoralization research and then finally The other book that I I'd dug out and I've been reading lately is called left behind. It's the story of the various. I'm reading this right now during the pandemic but it's the story of Everybody gets brought back to haven't asked you are like is there more than one left behind book you side on. Cameras. I did like a dog. Take wait for it So I won't lie. It's an incredibly well written book. It's Super Interesting. You know so. I'm not particularly religious and I mean I have some beliefs but to you know to say I'm like straight Catholic or Christian. I'm not and but I find that belief system fascinating and so I love. I love the books when I first read them. I'm loving it. The you know the second time that and reading them but there was just something to me. You should read this book and you should read it again. Look I can't tell people that because it's out so weird. So how can people contact you? Mandy? How can people get a hold of you? Twitter social media. Go to give your information da absolutely so you can find me at. Www DOT mandy froehlich dot com and actually www dot divergent edu dot com will get you to the same place. It's easier to spell the last name At Froehlich 'em will get you A. We'll help you find me on twitter and then Mandy Froehlich on Lincoln and Instagram. Very Good Mandy Froehlich. Thanks so much for joining us on the podcast today. Thanks for having me guys are my favorite. I love being on this podcast. Thanks for listening to on education. My name is Glenn. Urban my co-host this Mike Washburn on education is part of the on podcast media network. You can listen to this show and many others by great educators like Monica Burns. Mike Mattera Tissue Richmond and many more by visiting on PODCAST DOT COM. WanNa get in touch with us. Check out our website at on education. Podcast DOT COM. You can tweet us at on Education Pot. 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Why charter school graduation rates are so low should we be giving zeroes to students and our guest this week is an amazing educational technologist and author. Lisa johnson. I'm playing too much farm together. I know me too. I'm up to one hundred eighty two hours on steam, it is the sixth most played game in my seem history. I mean to fair civilization civilization five is number one in civilization sixes number two. I think okay. So to be fair there's them, and then there's kind of everything else. Like my civilization five playtime is about sixteen hundred hours. You know, that's lifetimes, right? Yeah. Times of civilization. Now is that a game? Kind of like I have one hundred seventy two hours play. Now. This is a short time that we've been playing this game. I have one hundred seventy two hours. Now is it kind of like farm together where we we leave our farms up, and then kind of walk away. Okay. So it's so there are people that we're not like actively on. It's the that you just you leave it on. And then it the farm is is doing its thing. Theory on my farmer, yours to now a lot of it is there's we actually have people that we've hired we have far hands are because the farm is there so gigantic so when we come back to the farm the farm hands if done a lot of work for us. And now it's time for us to organize our stuff itself. Thanks. Yeah. I was telling you the other day on or when we were playing that Steve ISAACs likes playing your farm way more than he likes playing my farm. See if he'll he'll get a chuckle out of that. If people saw that comparison between our two farms, they might actually know a little bit about our said what because yours is like super organized. It's very laid out strategic, and it's actually really it's not only organized. But it's like if you went into somebody's house and everything is precisely in the right place. You know, the way that they've decorated everything else might be. That's that's Mike's farm and mine is just like a bomb went off and things that's kind of kind of just ended up in certain places. I have no Corrales around my animals. They're just kinda right hanging around rocking. There's random things at random places best Ed Ed, my only mission, I get I don't even know at this point. I have forty five million. In coins? And I have a level sixty eight farm. I just told you that I think when I get to level one hundred I might be done. But we'll see when that happens that's quickly approaching level. It is not that far for both of us. No, no. Yeah. So Steve doesn't like my my structured militarism of of the where where I want things he put he put pigs in the wrong place. The other day. I almost lost my frigging mind. Steve there's a place for the damn pigs. Put the things in the place. Put the penny. I think he got mad at I think he got mad at me. I love you. Steve. I'm sorry. Don't don't don't leave me. Dave. If you come into my farm, you can just do whatever you want. Pigs wherever you want. Because that's what I do. Oh, good. That's so what else we got here. Well, I was wondering what are you watching right now on Netflix, sir? Hulu or whatever might be because I have an awesome recommendation. Like, first of all I made a Facebook posted. We just finished a show together, my wife, and I and I was like, okay, we need something new about forty seven thousand recommendations. Thank you everybody. Many of the shows we had already seen, you know, breaking bad and so on and so forth stuff. That's at his amazing shows. So I have a show that you can watch with your spouse. That's awesome. You Mike add our audience. So the show is called killing eve it may be late on this train. I think it's only like eight episodes. But it is so fun. We're three episodes. Ed, ed. It is amazing. I love the characters and I love the it's like action based, but it's still it's a spy show. But is also has some funny moments in it, and as I was telling Mike my goodness. It just so Dan good. And I want just keep watching it the first season. I think is only eight episodes where like two or three already end. But I guess season two is coming out April seventh so pretty soon. So I'm probably get to their then that'll be awesome. And I was telling you that the main lead actress is so amazing. Her name is Sandra. Oh, and I guess she's been in other shows. Maybe he's in that show about family or what is that? When a show that everybody watches that. I don't wanna watch because I'll start crying really emotional kind of showing this is us. Yeah. This is us. I'm not sure if she's in that show, but we should not watch that. Okay. I'm not. Gene. I think she was in grazing dad recreate. I don't know. I don't know anything about TV. That's probably what she's in Grey's anatomy, very go. But anyway, this is only specifically on Hulu, do I think you can purchase episodes on anything else. But highly recommend that if you have Hulu. Yeah. Watch the show airing. I watch Star Trek discovery. Yes. That which is a frigging awesome show yet. You were me the problem with it is in the United States. You have to get CBS all access. Watch it which is I that's to me annoying yet super annoying. Otherwise, I would watch it. I mean, I would be right on it. It's pretty available here. So it's on a couple of different networks here. So it's pretty great. Like, I listen, I'm a Trekkie. So you can't talk to me about Star Trek and be like mom. Remember, I don't wanna hear it. Star Trek discovery is frigging awesome. Like, a great Star Trek show or ranked number one. Because it I can I know what kind of person you are. Yeah. Number one for me is next generation. Of course. What's number two those? No, this is the hard one. Right. So this has changed in the last probably ten years or so. Okay. My my number two now for sure is deep space nine deep space nine. Okay. I would number three or four so, but but I am like discoveries. Great. It's very good up there. I I can put it at three. I could put it at three. Wow. Yeah. Watch it. And it's awesome. Yeah. To let you know what? I think too. Yeah. Speaking of space. Yeah. Segue. Do you follow? You. Don't follow space stuff as much as I do. Right. Tell me about these things. But cool. Yes. Go ahead. Go big deal, though. Like big big big deal. The crew. So SpaceX and Boeing are both making crew capsules for delivering astronauts to the ISS. We haven't North American astronauts, go to Russia in get on Soyuz capsules to go diocese. That's how it's been since I assess where audience international space station area. Go just in case. Yes. So since two thousand eleven the last space shuttle launch was two thousand eleven so for for quite some time. Now, the only way you've been able to get to space is through Russia, which obviously the United States of America probably isn't a big fan of especially right now. And it's never been ideal. For a lot of reasons. So SpaceX in buoying are both designing capsules and the the capsule made by speaks called dragon. So there's an unmanned dragon which has been used for a couple years now to deliver supplies. So the unmanned dragon. His is good. It's been running for years, but the crew dragon just launched its first test this weekend. So they launched it on Saturday morning it docked with the ISS this morning, and what's really cool. Like, this is like they science the hell out of the stuff man like to have to. The idea like I don't know how much people get about space. But the idea that you have to launch at almost a specific exact I'm so that when the dragon gets to I s they literally like come together. Yes. The at the design line medical is only my mix involved in this. So, but the way that they they attach capsules to the ISS in the past has been by using the arm the candidate arm to grab it. So someone at the space station operates the arm it reaches out and grabs a hold of the capsule in drags it in basically the rest of the way in dachshund. The crew dragon is the first capsule that will dock automatically. It doesn't need any intervention by people to docket. It just does it with sensors and lasers in automation. It just it's it's awesome. Like, it's. It's our the future is here, man. This is so cool. So like you're gonna have very soon and just announced a couple of days ago. There's going to be a joint venture between I think the United States in Canada to build a lunar space station. Wow. So there's going to be a space station orbiting overeating the moon. It's going to be built by Canada and the United States and may probably a couple of other people. I just know that candidates heavily involved. And this is the type of thing. That's good. This is what this is going to be used for the idea that you could have things land on the moon. All the time doc them with this space station that's orbiting the moon and then launch it out towards the ice Asan then launch it back to earth or something like that. There's gonna be like the structure is being put in place. It's EMMY we're going to be alive when people are living on the moon and Mars, and that always just absolutely blows my mind, I could talk about space all day. So I should I should stop. The space segment. Right. But it's so incredibly exciting. An and this is such a huge achievement. So it looks like SpaceX is gonna launch people in the crew dragon sometime in the early summer, so June or July. So that's when the s crazy you'll hear me geeked up about that will get. Yes, ready. Get jazzed up about that. Yes. My body is ready. Let's do it. So. This is a cool. We've got a couple of cool articles that we came across one of them being this idea that companies now in order to entice graduates to work for them are offering to help pay down people's loans. Tell us a little bit about that. Well, the first thing that I mean, I think people realize that the number out there for total student debt carried by Americans is over one point five check this number trillion dollars just to that number is very scary for economic system and just scary overall as each of us individuals goes into the work industry after you graduate from school in you're trying to get a job. So some some of these companies in an I I was thinking man, this would be an awesome way to recruit again into education is they help basically their workers to pay down their student loan. So let's say you had a two hundred seven. Eighteen dollar a month payments that the company wax. You would pick that up. Imagine that Bennis just cash in your pocket that then you can go in spend out in the economy to help drive that to help pay for your car payments, or whatever it actually might be that you're working on your, you know, your bills the other bills. So I think it's a fantastic idea. The give given example as far as some difference students who recently graduated they worked for different companies in they get help to be up to pay down their student loans. I think that this is going to become the norm. It's there's just so much debt out there that this is a great recruitment tool. So many of us out there the have inordinate amounts of student loan we need jobs, but not only do we need a good paying job. We need help with that too. If you have that availability availability, man, what an awesome way to recruits your workers. You gotta think like the tech companies will be all over this the Facebooks in Google's in the apples. 'cause I mean, the competition to get those people on board is high and also probably the expense to get the education that qualifies you to work at Facebook or Google or apple is expensive. So it's the perfect tool for those folks to use to say, listen, we'll we'll help you wipe out your your debt one point five trillion dollars. Think about the things you could do when. Trillion, you know, wait like in the sense that these there's people. Millions of people paying monthly payments to pay down student loans. Imagine what you and the other thousands of people, including myself, I still have student loan debt what we would do with that extra money. If we had it instead of having to pay down these ridiculous debts. We would be injecting that money into the economy in various ways by buying other things doing it'd be disposable income. And that's you know, what we need we need people with disposable income, and no one has it anymore. And that's that's a problem. Like, the the the economy is strong. When people have disposable ink to go on vacations to go to Niagara Falls in you know, do stupid things. I mean, that's what those aren't stupid. But yes, no. I know what you mean. Like, that's that's the things that drive economies end at us being able to go ahead and put that money back out at their man, it it would. Something's going to have to happen. I mean, I don't know what it actually is is will it actually break the economy? I hope not hope someone comes in and actually has a really strong plan that that gets implemented in that kind of halfway implemented which so many things happen like that. But a full all out plan to attack this in really, basically find a way to be able to resolve this gigantic issue. That's just hanging. There is the elephant in the room in so many of us so many of our households. There's there's an election coming up folks in in a couple of couple of good democratic candidates have plans. So take a look at those folks. Because her sure there's definitely some that's a way to do it. I will try not to inject my opinion. My all my God is gonna be so hard the next year and a half while it's going to be all about the election. I'm that's it so related to everything that we do in education in our own personal. Lives by there is no you can't ignore it. Nope. Yeah. So so we will be talking about it does not today. And certainly this is this is an issue because it's coming up, I guess again with DeVos. And and I guess she's trying to do some charter school stuff again and an analysis just got released recently that says that the the graduation odds for for charter school high school students is is quite a bit lower. Yes, it's actually less than fifty percent Jesus gusting? I mean, so basically, they even put the analogy you could flip a coin whether or not you're gonna graduate from high school if you are part of a charter school. I also wanted to lay this out for you, Mike, there's a there's a map here with statistics. Now, some statistics the states aren't giving those out, but one of the states that is giving out the information as far as charter schools with low graduation rates. There's a map that you could hover over. Over the state of Minnesota where I met and the graduation rate for these charter schools this was in twenty nineteen. It's from the research center of analysis was not a tainted statistic. It is the actual amount is thirty five percent in Minnesota so signs number here. This the second ago. Yeah. Good Massachusetts nine percent. Nine percent. He's seriously, Texas taxes. One percent what the hell is going on in Texas. Nobody I mean, these are specific charter schools, and we don't know the number of those charter schools in what are they actually doing? But these statistics staggering. That's mind, blowing this is crazy. And so we there's a couple of things about this it it's interesting as far as you know, to really understand what how diverse the expectations of our students are within different charter schools, even within the different states because each school as it says in their name writes their own charters far as was is their objectives. But in the end, it looks like they're not even serving our students is a big push by Betsy DeVos to say not just charter school. But just basically the privatization of schools in general at because they will be better serving for all of our students in these the ticks show that that's actually not the case. That's it's far worse. And to have a thirty five percent graduation rate in Minnesota in you know, one percent in Texas charter schools, the effectiveness of them something up with that. So that we definitely need to go ahead and take a second look. In end, not be Tate that be influenced by the by the jargon out there. That says, hey, charter schools give students choice it does. But is there? What is their choice, really a bad choice? You know, as far as, you know, the the tissue in this case, it does we'll make sure we Lincoln. So you guys can check it out. You can do your own in-depth analysis in if you have any other more information about charter schools in general in why they are obviously not meeting. The needs of our students were not graduating our kids of lettuce. No. Yeah. Absolutely hips up. So we we started a conversation online, and we're gonna continue only come back about whether we should give students zeros or not stay tuned. Quests one of class. Cresswell's popular features with over one hundred thousand lessons created by teachers and three million learning objectives completed by students. So far is now part of class crafts free offerings in twenty nineteen year. Students won't just be learning. Multiple -cation chemistry or any other content. They'll be saving the kingdom transform your lessons into adventures with quest. The day visit class craft dot com. For more information. All right. Welcome back everybody. So pretty interesting news story got kind of filtered through our feeds this week, and it generated a pretty interesting discussion on Facebook page. So we thought we would we thought we would continue it here. The story is a a Florida teacher has been fired for giving her students zeros for missing assignments. She was a teacher for quite some time. Todd eighth grade history in in Florida and gave them a number of weeks to finish a project. They didn't hand it in. She gave them zeros. It's it was contrary to the school policy. So the school policy was a nose zero policy. The lowest possible grade teachers can give the students at that school was fifty percent. Even if they didn't turn anything in. Obviously she disagreed with. The rural and was fired for disobeying it. I mean, this is a complex story. There's a lot of so many layers a lot of issues, obviously, you know, there's the idea that she went against a school policy, regardless of whether she whether it was right or wrong. There's there's that there is whether we should be giving zeroes at all. And certainly there is the idea that the grading system of of offering a numerical grade to to describe a student's learning is is kind of where we ended up. So where where do we want to start first off? I mean, should this woman have been fired Glenn should she have been fired. Well, if you school policy can be fired, so all of us contracts. So and unfortunately or fortunately knows it is the nature of the beast. We sign these contracts. And by signing, it you are saying that you're gonna buy buy the policies of the district many policies of many districts don't make any sense yet. Anxiously are contrary and detrimental to education. I think some of them are upset this one in this case. I don't know if it's detrimental to education. It was more of a I'm gonna stand up for what I believe is. Right. That's what she's that's what she saying that it's ridiculous that she would be forced to give a fifty percent on a project assignment. Whatever might be to students that didn't actually do it. You know, go should she have been fired? Well, according to our contract. Yes. Is it a good enough reason to fire someone as far as not following that specific policy? You know, I'm not sure that it would she have been willing to go ahead and change it. You know? That's the interesting part is like would they have brought her into the office and said, hey, we we understand where you stand up, but are. Policy is this. We need to go ahead and change that grade. And then at that point that she say, no, I'm not gonna do it, which then you're just base. Your your intentionally not following, you know, the contract, and you're also going ahead and telling your your superiors that no you're not gonna follow what they're telling you to go ahead and do you fired now? Yeah, happier person. Probably because she actually did that you know, she stood up for her own. You know, what her beliefs were probably a, you know, like some people said, you know, saw the thing. Go work at a different school district, etc. Go work in different state. I'm not sure doesn't sound like it's a state policy. It was a local school district policy. Then the then the fights actually began, you know, as far as whether or not we should give kids fifty percents or any amount of points for not turning something in right left pot. Where the controversy starts. Yeah. So let's let's talk about that. 'cause that's definitely the second part of this. Let's leave out leave out like the existential questions of a grading itself for second. Okay. So let's just talk about let's say there is a grading system in or there is a report card you have to fill it out. It has to have a number on it. Yes. This is the way it is. So let's just deal with it as it with this question as it is. Okay. So. My person the way that I did things. And this was a really great discussion. 'cause I was able to kinda articulated a little bit better later on. There were people that were you know, that are strongly nosy rose ever under any circumstance, and I think that that's not in appropriate response at all, you know, I guess my position is in an all give you kind of the workflow that I would go through if a student was two weeks late on an assignment, I mean at that point. They will have been given number of verbal warnings and reminders and because we use school Aji. It's also literally right on the top of their log in, you know, on their home their main page that something is overdue. So please both students, and parents know, it's late k, Yep. So I would tend to I would tend to put his zero in the grade book about I usually give about two weeks. So I put zero in the grade book at that point. Point. They they've also then been notified they've gotten zero and that has tended to have gotten. Most of the ones who were laid off their butts to get whatever it is. I got a hand in hand in the goal crap. I got zero got a in this in the handed in I market, and we're good to go. Right. I don't have a problem. Grading things that are late. So. Then then you begin a game of cotton mouse, a little bit in the sense that you know, I go through it. I I would have gone through a number of other steps, I would've called home for sure and spoken to parents. This is a big assignment. It's it's late. We need to get it in. I there's zero in their grade book, and I would say listen, the zero is staying until you handed in the that does if you don't hand in something you don't get a Mark. It's it's really that simple. You I can't give you credit or something. You don't do. And I think it sends a really terrible message to give student fifty percent. When they don't have to do anything at all to do that when you can pass and not do anything. I think that that's awful. So. At at I and I get that point the next actually probably wear the majority of our teachers stand much sure, I bet it fifth at it. But it's a controversial topic. No matter what the opposite viewpoint, which is mine is that the scale should start at zero. It should actually start at fifty. And there's a mathematical reason for that. Basically what they've done is the calculate zero into anything, especially something as big as let's say a project. Let's call it in assessment, they summit of assessment of knowledge, which would be something significant where would actually a cripple a student's grade. We all know actually, anybody that marked zeros understands that there are times when you have marked a kid, let's say got three or mar is what you're saying. You've got three or four zeros it within a grading period. And they probably got let's say they have a total of fifteen total s things that you've actually assessed. So they're actually in the grade book. If the if three of those are zeros in any of those are significant amounts of points, which is called as far as points. What it does is it basically distorts the great significantly in you have student had a hat, for example greats like a thirty eight percents a forty two percent. I I've even had students that had eleven percent. And the reason why they had an eleven percent is because I gave them zeros for assignments. Or the items that were assess that actually at graded Martha as you say, and then I put zeros into the grade book in it distorted they're great significantly. So where should that scale starts, you know? And then my next question was basically in the philosophical than point is where Sesing these students with using a percentage scale zero through one hundred and then we also probably use letter grades. Not all of us Deuba many of us do. Letter grades at our societas with that many of our high schools use a four point zero scale that determines a grading grade point average, GPA, etc. Whatever might be the bigger question than our. And I wanna give a shout out. To Jennifer Gonzalez, the cult of pedagogy podcast and her websites where she basically said, what are we actually measuring? Like what what are these things actually represent? And so I wanted to know it, it's hard. I mean, when you it's one of the most controversial questions you can ask a teacher. His what's the difference between a ninety five percent student in eighty five percent students or a ninety five percent students in a student that gets a seventy two percent cetera. Whatever might be by 'em. When you tell me that the difference. I want you to tell me how much more do they, you know, is it has to do with knowledge or skills that they developed that they proven the demonstrated whatever might be an Cantos percentage skills actually to that. And in how effective is it you to demonstrate those it's one of those old things that you talked about tradition. It's a tradition. That's ingrained so heavily into our educational system that when we talk about things like standards based grading or other alternative ways to assess our students it like it gets crazy out there, not only with their teachers and students, but it gets crazy with our communities because we're also used to that. It's it's easy for us to go. Like, hey, my student got an aide. They're doing well in class writing. Like, we're doing the best that they could possibly do. They have a see. Well, you know, what would people say it's like, oh, that's their average student. You know, whatever might like how you describe these people d-, they are they're a little bit below their below average. They're you know, they're still passing the class. And then f student is failing or whatever might be. But it's it doesn't really talk about how. Much. Do we actually know as far as within our class? How much did we learn would standards? Did we actually meet that those percentages in those letters don't really Representative those let's really hard. It's a tough discussion to have. But it's one that we should definitely open it up because it's even though it's one of those things I was tell people would you talk about grading. It's like a Pandora's box. We in US discusses like there's so many different layers to it that you can go in so many different directions that usually people just get frustrated and give up in go back to what they've always done. But it's something that we should definitely be talking about it. Find good best practices to be able to go ahead and implements 'cause this this is an old system. And we've basically said, you know, it doesn't really do what it's it's meant to do which is basically show is where does where's how much student how much knowledge sorry because the student actually have in. I mean, this filters operate in the sense that the universities are looking for numbers for acceptance like like, so so a lot of a common response to to the grade. The number scale issue is switching to some sort of a mastery scale, you know, at an acquired, you know, developing and put that on a report card. Yes. So so where where you know, it's it's it's a sentence or a word that that, you know, suggests you know, what what knowledge where they are in the process of acquiring a certain amount of knowledge. But I mean, a university is not going to accept that, you know, for admissions. But similar though, some are aren't they? Yes. Especially like you look into it. I should've I should've pulled this up. But we're talking about like, let's talk. Let's go to the extremes. Like, what are the top universities in the United? States Stanford Harvard, those types universities, they're paying being the way from GPA's because they know they know they know they're the they're the elite universities in the world. They understand that GPA's are so distorted depending upon which school you actually attended that. They don't really do a good representation of like, what is a student actually no same thing though, too with standardized tests like ACT SAT bad has become less and less important than what what's more important is things like their entry essay their face to face interview. Those other things are important as far as just getting into door kinda like a job application where you fill out the job application or your resume looks really okay. This is a qualified applicants now. Let's bring him into the room and actually talk to them, maybe make him deliver a lesson, etc. As with to the teaching profession. Same thing with our students. It takes longer to do that. But man, you actually did have. A really good idea. But what kind of quality of student you're getting as far as being able to enter the the at the university. But I think more and more universities are going to move away from that which thank goodness because then it allows us to take a step back away and go they are not requiring this. Instead, what they're required his these things which really prove that they are that quality of student that they can be entered the considered to be a student at our university will university admissions is complicated enough it self. I mean. University admissions shouldn't be based on past performances should be based on potential. That's what you wanna know. You wanna know especially for people who don't have the money to go to Harvard, for example, but should go to Harvard and would thrive in an environment. Like that if give if given the opportunity, but you know, they go to an inner city high school in its life is tough life is crappy. But you know, we see that this kid has a ton of potential so moving towards a mastery system in an entrance system that is able to judge a soon based on their their future gives that student who would be able to be grant given grants or awards or student aid. So that they can get into Harvard. It gives them that opportunity. And then they excel in thrive. You know, we're. You know, the two of us aren't going to solve the grading scale away problem. We're just you know, two dudes talking into microphones a little bit. But, you know, this is a complicated question. I think of course, it's unfortunate that this woman was fired. I think that you know, based on the circumstance on the rules. She probably you know, they had a right to fire her. It's unfortunate that you know, it didn't instead open up to an opportunity to have a much larger discussion and say, okay, we get what's going on here. Don't do it again. And let's promise to have a talk about this at a board level in see if we can, you know, you know. You know, I haven't opened discussion for a solution. Because obviously, we we have a we don't have consensus here, you know, as far as grading scales. Go I mean, I think that a lot of people agree that a mastery skill is is better in a lot of ways. So hopefully, we'll get school switching to that. But this is a complicated subject than a coupla weeks. I get the people who who say under no circumstances should soon get zero at I just I think that. Again, it's complicated. You could just you could just go round and round. And it's and and I don't think we have the time for that. Because we have to talk to Lisa Johnson. She's also. So when we come back we're going to be joined on the podcast by Lisa who just wrote a book. That's amazing how creatively productive so stay tuned. All right. Welcome back to the podcast everyone. We are thrilled to be joined by Lisa Johnson. Lisa is an educational technologist in Texas and the author of creatively productive essential skills for tackling timewasters clearing the clutter and succeeding in school in life. Which sounds awesome to be honest. Welcome to the pike cast, Lisa. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Let's start right at the star. What what does it mean to be creatively productive? I am. So glad you asked. You know, I was thinking about this. And I was thinking, you know, like everybody has twenty four hours in the day. Everybody has one hundred sixty eight hours in the week. And when I was really kind of looking at my new sort of newsletter in rebranding it and recreate the new format I was thinking about that very thing is like if I wanted to encapsulate like what is creatively productive like what is that actually meet? And so I really got to thinking about I really feel like it's it's a mindset it's a lifestyle. It's kind of a movement and sometimes creative sometimes productive sometimes kind of find that sweet spot, and we achieve what I you know, kind of the book entails of that creatively productive. But I think the bigger picture is that were happy healthy and achieving heights we want to achieve but I personally as well as professionally. So plug probably probably my favorite thing about the book. I mean, Glenn will go on all day about free resources in like just giving things teachers and having them like all of the things that they need, and we love so like books that have resources, and you have tons of them jammed into this. There is a lot here for people to take and to apply and to use in their lives kind of right away. If they're reading this. If there was one resource in the book that you would encourage people to start doing if they if they needed to say, listen, I need to get my act together. I need to be more productive. I need to be creatively productive. Let's let's do it. What would that resource be where where would people start if they were using your book as a resource? Absolutely. We'll I I wanted to thank you. Because I I did that was my my really intent was just to make sure that you know, it was thorough is possibly could. Because even when I'm conducting sessions, I kind of feel like more is more can within reason of Italy. And when you're talking about topics like digital organization in time management and note taking goal setting reflection. There isn't a one-size-fits-all approach to any of those things a lot of trial on air. That's really wanted to add a lot of different resources for each of the sections as you asked kind of looking out like where would I start? I would always start with goal setting and really not even the goal setting part in chapter four I get into kind of values audit and looking at what your values are. Because a lot of times people will set goals in. They're not really in line with who they are as a person, and in what they're kind of core sort of, you know, beliefs are, and so I think a lot of times. That's why people don't. Kind of finish those goals or meet their goals. The new book I'm reading by Cal. Newport, digital minimalism actually starts with looking at your values in setting goals for your device uses based on those values. So I think I think kind of looking your values, and then setting goals in kind of having everything weaves through that is where I would always start his funny Glennon, I talk about this a lot too. There are a lot of things that you learn in teachers college, I don't know do you guys. Call a teachers college down there, by the way, we do not. Your professional your, but whatever your bachelor of education, sir. There's there's also definitely a lot of things you don't learn and there's a laundry list of those. We don't need to get into them. But one of the things related to what you're talking about is. I don't think you learn a lot about how stretched thin you're going to be and how to manage that. How to? Handle all of the things that teacher needs to do with their day is something you don't learn in school. And they also don't warn you that the more you try to innovate the more. You try to differentiate and do all of this cool stuff that were Glennon IRO is trying to get people to do that actually stretches. You even thinner. It's it's hard teaching his heart. How important is it for educators to learn how to be master time managers, and I think it's very important for absolutely as an I resonate with that. I think teachers burn out because they are trying to do too much or trying to kind of add into many new things all at once like an absolutely for innovation and kind of changing things and making things work more efficiently or more effectively and things like that. But you do have to be mindful of, you know, the twenty four hours you have in a day. So I think part of it's a balance. Of just kind of knowing yourself in kind of how you work and even within the day. A no, you know, how quickly you'll get stressed out things like that knowing what works for you knowing kind of where you wanna go where you wanna take your students and kind of the best pass to get. They are knowing how to handle the distractions in the detours along the way in. It's it's not an easy thing by any means a lot of it's just kind of itself awareness, a lot of it and self management, obviously and not to mention trying to balance your family life in your personal life and your social life and recreation time, I mean 'cause you need those things as a teacher as well. Right. Yeah. That is still I mean, I've been kind of in the education field for seventeen years in its as my my own kids get older and things like that in. There's just different demands on your life. And so it really is. I talk about in the book to kind of these look at the things that are going to work for. Whatever seasons of life. The you're in because what works now may not work, you know, six months two years from now because things come up, you know, you may have somebody who's sick in the family. You may have you know, some something that's happened. Your has been may be looking for another job, or you know, you you might have something that comes up. So you just have to be aware of those things not, you know, not beat yourself up over it. So Lisa in the book. It's not all just about teachers. It's actually besides some things about students in it one of the things that I noticed there is you're emphasizing the importance of how wire students should be taking good notes. And why note taking is in a central skills? Essential skill. Sorry. Can you tell our listeners more about that? Yeah. Absolutely. So I start that chapter with a quote from a Harvard. Harvard physics professor Eric believe missour-. It's an expert from a book by Alexis Wiggins. And what happened is the quote itself is like. Mentioned we don't need necessarily good notaires. But it's part of a larger, quote, the talks about we need students who can hold up ideas to the light and challenging question tests. I bought the size about them. And I think that's the bigger thing. So sometimes when we talk about note taking. I think it gets kind of boiled down to basic regurgitation of what the teacher said. I don't think that's really good. No taking I think good. No taking is like processing things than analyzing things in organiz, organizing them and synthesizing them and challenging that information. So note taking his one medium that if we do. Well, it allows us to do all of those things and all speak for my own personal experience. But I feel like there's very few settings in my life that I don't take notes in some form or fashion. You know, you'll notes in meeting I'll take notes when I'm reading all take notes, you know, when I'm in a professional development or or meeting with a teacher in there all different styles of notes in very few of them are just regurgitating. What somebody's saying? So I think that's more aware. I don't want to just say, oh, we just we don't need not we do. But to really look at what notating is love. The folks that do sketch notes. I think that is a skill that. I don't have that. I would love to have an I when I see them doing it. I'm like, wow, you're blowing my mind right now with Google that is I think I think sketch noting and the the people who are drawing and designing things on an ipad. Whether sitting in listening to the stuff just blows my mind, and I don't know the I guess there's value to like everyone's different, right? And I guess that's just the way that they find they retain things better. Is that is that kind of the nature of that? I mean, I I would agree. I think everybody. You know, there's analog notes there's digital notes. There's different processes of notes. No Cornell, you got outlined. You've got sketch noting. You got like the flow method. You've got all of these different. You know, mine mapping and things like that. And so I think it's it's less about, you know, each it's more about figuring out what works best for each individual person. And how they process you're mation. And then also, you know, obviously certain things like maybe a Ted talk or reading a book may lend themselves to one type of notes over another. But I think it's just finding what works for you. Because really those notes are intended to be something that you're gonna reflect back on uses a resource. So if it makes sense to you in it's how your brain works. I don't think it matters which style you're using per se. So one of the things we know about our listeners, I think in particular, generally speaking as that they're pretty productive people. We we have a lot of. Hiatchi vers in our in our listenership in terms of what they're doing in education. So what do you think? Creatively productive brings to those people. The people who say, you know, I think I got it all pretty well handled right now, I'm I'm doing okay with this. What what are you? What can you do you think you can bring to them? So I mean, I I would consider myself fairly productive person, you know, but at the same time, you know, I never stopped learning. And there's always different things that you know, I find to be helpful and how to handle the that procrastination and the distractions and things of that nature. You know, obviously perfection is the enemy of done. So I'm certainly not advocating that you have to tweak everything that is already working for you. But I also think it's kind of like spring cleaning, you know, every year we accumulate certain things that may not work as well. And we kinda have to go back and tweak things here. And there as I've been reading. Ng Persian and regroup while up in reading calumny ports. Book have digital minimalism any had fifteen hundred people who were, you know, very productive type people, but they signed up for a month digital declutter, and the vast majority of them, you know, still had places that they could kind of trim the fat and be more mindful about their technology is and things like that. I think the other piece to this book is everything I include is really intended to be used with students as well. Although obviously all that could be used personally professionally, and I think that's where I don't know that we talk enough with students about these sort of things because they are somewhat soft skills in digital realization in time management and things like that. And I think just having this conversations with them talking to them what works for us. What may not work in and just being more open about those topics? I think is really gonna be more beneficial for our students in. So that's really where. Get from it. I mean if you are productive. Hopefully, you're you're talking to your students about what strategies you're using or or wear you found those strategies and things like that. I think that's really important strategy to to build our students self management skills. So one of the most awesome parts of the book discusses white so important to read books that are outside of the quote, unquote, Egis fear. So I was going to ask what books have you recently read, or are you reading right now that you would recommend to our audience share and all kind of add a little caveat there. Ultimately, I think it's important just to not silent ourselves in one sort of, you know, John rat ever, you know. And so I think report reading outside like read why I read fiction nonfiction read some books, by educators, read some that aren't by educators. So I keep mentioning county ports book. It's really really good. He's also he's the author of the book deep work. And so this is his I don't think it's a second book. I think he's written more. But it's it's. Really really really good in its tackling a lot of the issues that I think, you know, I know I personally faced with kind of the way that social media has become so prevalent in our lives. And so I really appreciate his thought full sort of takes on those things. A lot of books by Ryan holiday are really good. He is ridden the perennial cellar in those are definitely not ridden for educators. But. I mean, not that you couldn't read them. But there are some really interesting things because the idea is why does certain content last for generations and other content. Not. And so I think that's kind of the bigger take away from it is what makes things perennial. What makes things kind of fleeting in a trend? And then the last one I'll just mention is pretty much anything by Austin Leon. He's absolutely fantastic. He lives here in Austin, Texas, and he's the one who does a lot of the New York Times blackout poetry. But he's written three books and journal. His third book actually comes out. I think dex month it's called keep going Ken ways to stay creative in good times and bad in every time. I read one of his books that I get a lot out of its I really appreciate kind of the way that he structures information. And you know, there's just so much you can glean from it a Lisa thanks so much for joining us. How can people connect with you where where can they reach? Oh with you. On on the internet on your website, like give us give us your contact information. So if you go to WWW dot tech T C H, chef C H E F N A number four letter u dot com. You'll get my blog resources there's a link to both of the books that I've written as well as blog posts about those. You can actually download the first chapter ends the introduction of creatively productive and kind of glean all those information on Pinterest and Twitter and Facebook, I'm texture for you as well on Instagram. I'm note Scheffer, you as in note, and then C H E F and the number four letter you, and that's really because I share my readers notebook their share books that I'm reading I share things of that nature planners in bullets Lincoln. So I didn't wanna share that all the other channels because I feel like it's a little bit of a very. Different sort of thing that I'm doing inside wanna clutter those with that. So people who really just wanna interested in that they can follow Instagram account nights. We're gonna have a link to buy the book in the show notes, folks. If you're looking to pick up creatively productive, thanks for joining us, Lisa. This has been awesome. Thank you. Glenn? Mike both of you. I really appreciate it. I enjoyed listening to your podcast, and I was thrilled honor to be able to be against thanks for listening to on education. My name is Mike Washburn. My co-host is Glenn urban wanna get in touch with us throughout our website at on education, podcast dot com. 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"The presenting sponsor for on education is class craft. We're excited to announce class new story mode which makes it easy for educators to harness the power of stories episodes one and two of season one are ready for you and your students play today and it's completely free to learn more about class craft and the new story mode simply visit fast craft dot com slash on education twitter is like the the match dot. COM FOR EDUCATORS WELCOME TO ON EDUCATION PART OF THE EDUCATION PODCAST network. I am Mike Wash and I'm Glen Urban Friends. We have an awesome pod for you. Today we will debate whether we should be seeking corporate sponsorship for classrooms discuss the battle between giving even kids and Queensland and why we should ban the red pen our guest this week is educator and author. Adam welcome so are are you in any hockey pools. Your would be hockey pools. Are you in any football. Pools is soccer. Pool is a hockey pool like fantasy hockey. Yeah Yeah Yeah okay. I played a lot of fantasy football and basketball and baseball actually back in the days. This is the first year I'm I'm not playing fantasy football actually and it was just because in the previous years I wasn't giving it my all time commitment. That's necessary. Listen to be able to go ahead and do that. I have a friend that we did probably twenty some years that we were doing so. You have a hockey pool draft. Do you guys do it. Live Yeah Yeah so what we've done it in person. It's it's to be honest. It's the best thing about hockey. Pool is the draft I instantly feel crummy about my team and about my chances okay so I mean going to the actual pool in the draft. Night is significantly the best moment in the the whole thing was yeah. the draft is S. as the best moment yet yeah totally but what makes it even worse at least last night. I was that like I quit drinking so like I. I couldn't even have a beer at the pool draft anymore and it's like Oh. This is less fun now out of it. It was like I I I'm not drinking and my team sucks so it's really all the bad the things I do know what you mean as far as about the drafting of that's actually why I played a lot of sports games growing up and now I still play some of them but not as much they decide play madden and of course I played fe- a lot and actually one of the best parts was was was what you're talking about. Is the draft like to the players at a pool in the draft back a team so you can basically create a team from scratch that kind of stuff those are fun things exist that we used to do as far as those types of things and then fantasy football and baseball and hockey obviously area is the epitome of that where you get to pick the best players is a make your own team so transitioning from pretending to do sports to actually doing athletic kind of activities you so. I'm like all in on cycling just like a huge TV for my basement for to play the does whiffed thing on in my basement got a big TV in front. Let me now instead of my laptop and you went to hot yoga last night but did the hot yoga last night. My wife and I and awesome it actually is one of those. It was definitely was really hot. actually when you enter in there just felt warm. I would didn't feel super extremely hot but this was also one of the easiest sessions it was called the rejuvenation session. So wasn't the intensive once so that temperature. The temperature is down and the activity that you're doing is supposedly down to and my goodness. I've done a lot of things that were physically active. The types of things in my life train for a marathon ran a marathon in a lift weights. Whatever might be played several sports. This was right at the top of a challenging one hour plus activity where is challenging your your physical body but then there's this kind of Eh People that have done yoga understand I. This is my actual first time as a class class so the coal my wife has taught me and ran me through a series of moves and that was great because I needed that in order to be able to even know what was actually happening. and I was still lost half the time. I didn't know what I was supposed to do next but anyway it was so dang challenging as far as is the different different postures different movements that you were supposed to be doing and then the room temperature then starts accentuating how how difficult things are and you're just pouring. I made really rules. Pools of sweat are coming down and you you go basically through the beginning of a of a workout to really high point you know the the the intense part of the workout and then you cool off all in one session really puts you through the ringer both physically and then there's like this spiritual component to it that I wasn't expecting so it's kind of a meditative state that you're doing some of the things it was fantastic so today we went back in signed up for thirty days baby some eight up for thirty days before. I'm I'm ready to go and see how it keeps going. I it I highly recommend it to anybody and everybody to go do it and at least experience at one time because it is intense that's awesome so speaking of putting people through the ringer we so so. I was playing minecraft the other other day and Isaac was watching. I guess a youtuber downstairs and they were doing doing some sort of a hard core. You know a couple of video series on doing hardcore mode and he's like so. I don't think you could last like a day in Hardcore mm-hmm. o'dowd snotty lakes up kid. He's like it's like you. Brat kidding me. Do you even know no who you're talking to. Here is basically right yeah. He totally threw the gauntlet down on me. He's like I don't think you could last sound like really okay. Okay okay so not only have I lasted but I'm crushing Mike minecraft hardcore mode and to make it even more fund you and Steve Isaacs and I have started a minecraft hardcore mode server yeah and we've started to play minecraft hardcore mode. We played for about an hour a couple days ago together. Then was there to like whoo. Ooh Our website me so there's regular minecraft survival bowed when you together creative mode and their survival you died. I can come back you. You re spot. It's called the life Ed but in this bode difference yeah yeah if you die a you die. You're done like you're there is no recovery game over like the old days it is game over one life to to live and and you got to kind of you know make it happen. You know it's pretty easy to die in minecraft survival to be honest honest there. There's things happening all the time that you like Steve. I'M GONNA throw him under the bus. I don't care what Steve is totally died. Yes in our first in Cadillac our first hour in the first hour. Steve Died. He was of you getting a little to a confidence in his abilities as a creeper sneak snuck up on him and boom boom. You don't have any armor which you don't you won't if you play proper survival for you won't have armor for at least a little while unless you soup or lucky with with iron and and so like a creeper. If you don't see a creeper your turn the other way and then you turn around boom creepers like right on you till you're dead done and because they don't make any noise. You don't know that they're there until the right on top of you gets in so it's like. I hard hardcore. Mode is hardcore. Just is you have to. You have to treat it a little bit more carefully tonight. Both of us yes. Oh I won't die. I roughly how long we can last. I was so so the fund the only super like I came really close as I came actually within a half of dying you know so one of the things I didn't realize about ender men was that if you look at them from even like very far away who hit triggers them like there was a distance like they was far and I looked at it because I was like Oh there's an Anderman and I turn away. Turn away screaming at me and it's just came right after me and so what I did was I backed myself into my house in the corner of my house so that it couldn't like behind me or anything and I just kept swinging and swinging swinging and eventually killed it with a half a heart left so Isaac was sitting right beside me. He was losing his mind because he totally thought I was cooked hysterical. I survived survived because I'm a survivor good yeah he was pretty. It's pretty fine and I. I'm having a blast last in minecraft hardcore mode. I think it's exactly the challenge I was looking for and you know this kid. The kid doesn't know chocolate it doesn't it saddens down a little so so you know minecraft is definitely experiencing a resurgence uh. I mean everyone is seeing it. the numbers are clearly showing it now. Let's be clear I think it's worth prefacing. That minecraft was never not like over the last five years. It's always still been the number one most played game in the world by by giant margin there are games the have hype like for night and a packs and you know what everything anything else overwatch whatever and they'll you'll see spikes the numbers when games come out like destiny two or whatever the primacy of minecraft was never even close to in doubt. I think the average daily players from my crafted something like thirty million people a day. That's insane the giant number it's still going and now at number and it's never have not been a giant number so that being said the number is is actually getting big and it might have dipped down into like the low twenty s millions of people by it's like coming back again and so mine. Khan was this week and the biggest news that came at at least in my mind was now. There's lots of cool things things happening with minecraft. I love the Shade Irs. The new shades update. That's coming up. That's GonNa make your sky in your shadows. more like advanced. If you have like an Nvidia Nvidia card which do so. It's going to look super pretty in in your in your minecraft worlds. I'm pumped about that because I have a little bit of an aesthetic attic flair to me when I like the play. Nice things just ask Steve. Steve hates buy minecraft earth breath so we were wondering when the launch date was for this and it's in fact going to be in October early access assessed for minecraft earth is coming in early October I don't know exactly when and I think it's going to be kind of a progressive rollout which was similar to like pokemon go so we'll see what when it hits the United States and when it hits Canada but this is this is the A. R. Minecraft game where you're going to be able to build things right like in your backyard. It's going to be rod yeah. It's going to be completely new. Take on 'em up super excited by it. I hope that it does live up to its hype but but these Games are super popular you know I know a lot of people go like. Oh we'll happen. The pokemon go still popular. I mean all of these kind of games ingress for example a lot. The people don't even have never even heard of this game super popular around the world. It's not even just Let's say the United States North America. It's around the world that people play this these games. He's augmented reality games and minecraft earth. It's the popularity of minecraft that you were just talking about. Plus people that like Augmented Reality Reality Games well. It's a good Combo man. It's GONNA be awesome. I'm pretty excited about it. We'll see but I mean if it lives up to even half of the hype and the Demo and the way. It's looked like when they've shown it off yeah boy. It's going to be something out says they get out of our seats and out out and about going to do and stuff where we're at different conferences. We're going to be out there. Build an and gate a minecraft like shelter over top of our conference booth do that through. It's like look into or that might be. That's a cool idea. We'll do that for sure if you're listen guys if you have a podcast and you're listening to this. I'm going to come after you. If you copy my idea. Don't even think about it. That's my idea all right so listen. quisling had a bad day this. This is a little timely because it's literally happening so this is the thirtieth of September and this happened today. It looks like it's ended today. We we wanted to talk about it today because because we promised we promised some airtime on this because you know we were pretty. I was pretty pretty angry this morning about at all so it looks like what happened this. There's there was an issue between Gim Kit and quiz. Let's begin kit was allowing people to import quiz lit quizzes into Game Kit and it had you know there are some proprietary quiz late data specifically things like their logo and stuff like that that was on Guinguette at apparently allegedly Louis was on there without quiz. Let's permission or at least there was no agreement in place. That's unequivocal. Its position on this end so quiz. Ah basically serve them almost like a cease and desist. I know this morning and and that's stupid so so like it was a it was a super bad day for quiz. Let everyone I think from what I can tell got on the phone and got it resolved but you know this would have been bad right. Oh absolutely I I. I can't understand except for that. They see game kid as a competition. I I would have done this but in the end it ended up working itself out and if people don't know the story of game. Am Kids that he's a Josh is actually one of our episodes and he's a high school kid who created this this game because he wanted a better cahoots he. I said I think we can do better than this as far as a game and he created game kid and it's so awesome superfund and his companies actually a growing significantly. They've hired people now. It's not just him and his teacher who were the first people who created the game and they're just doing great the still tiny though I mean they I think they have one employee or one or two. You know they don't have a huge team or anything and they were using this which is is a significant improvement to get the quiz. Let's sets and be able to import them into into game kits. That's a huge improvement instead of type in each one of the vocab words and definitions for example so it ended up working itself out though so they had a conversation people put pressure on on quiz. Let's it looked like on twitter. Ed and quizzes did the right thing which is yet. I love Bumpkin. Yeah everyone wins because it listen. The the the the the real net of this fitted went through was everyone was. GonNa lose you know. Game Kit was GONNA lose quisling had a PR nightmare today. I'm sure sure and it's like you know and then the teachers and the students all lose out. It's just makes everyone worse and so you know I don't know if if money changed hands or whatever but ah it seems like it all worked itself out and that's what was the most important thing because obviously this was about business. this was about game kept growing and probably taking away some of quiz. Let's you know money in terms of you know subscriptions and memberships and whatever at least it seems like that it seemed like the thing so so everyone everyone came out on top hopefully in everyone's happy. It seems so that's a good in conclusion. This is a really strange idea. Should we be seeking corporate sponsorships for a classroom so are are you talking about the the the toes-to-toes science room clan. Yeah toes-to-toes science room and the objective of other good show titled by the way that was a great one no what I was what I was someone had posted a something on twitter kind of related to this but not really I mean they were just basically saying I would be willing lean to take on a corporate sponsor in order to be able to fund ABC whatever it was and I was thinking will why don't don't we do this and I know that there's a bad implications of this but I as a topic of discussion. It's really interesting because we already do this at public schools especially when it relates to like gymnasiums football stadiums even libraries and big buildings basically kind of like what you would maybe. Sierra University Kinda thing where you would have a toasty does bowl you the size of those football stadiums in Texas. That's what I'm talking about. An already exists currently so why wouldn't we be able to then say you know what I want. A brand brand my classroom and and brandit with for example and I'M GONNA throw a company like starbucks and starbucks would help fund just Serbian general and I would put up some starbucks logos around my classroom and say funded by starbucks right and people would go probably ballistic about something like you know something like that. I think this is this is our world though right and part of the reason why you would do that is the exact same reason why people are are are going out to twitter and and other social media for clear the list type of of agenda where you're trying to basically find some classroom supplies are those things that you need and I had a perfect example of someone that already did this and her name was Kayla. Dorn `field and Kayla was was the twenty one thousand nine North Dakota educator of the year but before this she she was like fehb if you're GONNA be famous quotes she was in a New York Times article that was written about her classroom because she basically sought out corporate sponsorship and was one of the first people all to have amazing flexible learning spaces right. Those ones like we see remember. We're talking about the the MVP between classes and she has this beautiful classroom. It continues to this day but the way that she funded that classroom was through corporate sponsors so then there was this clouding of the lines between should we be allowing corporations and and allowing entire classrooms while in this school they allowed her to do that. She actually has become the flexible seating type of Guru speaks weeks on this topic all the time and it's an interesting discussion to at least be had if force if we're never going to really fully reached the ability early to fully fund education public education then maybe we should be seeking out corporate sponsorship said and branding our our classrooms with Tuxedos or Walmart or whatever else might be. I could see the value of the Walmart Student Lounge I can see the value some I've been trying to think of like an actual realistic case ace like that could be used that I could make with a straight face and say you know this. I've got a real a S- for you for example I work in in Sauk rapids Minnesota. There's a bunch of local businesses that are in Sauk rapids. If you had at a local business sponsor that would help you to basically make for example or media center space our library you know in our high school more modern. Let's say caller with other furniture. let's call it like whatever it took to be able to paint baby new carpet etc whatever might be aesthetics attics and then you branded it with their name somewhere might be that actually was an idea that we've at least thrown around to go to a local business and be able to take that to you know what. I mean promote their business but then also be able to say you know you're you're helping this this this become a reality it happens all the time with people donors helping out to build sports arenas sports stadiums and things are why not help help it helps in in educational type of setting so that that would be my closest example though my wife if she ever listened to this will punch me in the arm because she is so against missile concept corporations involved in this thing so. I I so the use case that I came that. I've kind of come up with is a company like epic games for example so epic. Games makes fortnight fortnight and more specifically in this scenario. I'm thinking of epic. Games makes unreal engine. Unreal engine is a video game engine. It's one of the best video game engines in the world. It's also very user friendly in the sense that you can learn learn unreal engine with dedication and you know resilience you can learn unreal engine quite a bit easier than a lot of of other engines so if unreal sorry epic. Games was to for example sponsor A computer science class. Let's say Steven Rayle our friends Steven Rayle. is a computer science teacher. unreal engine sponsors EPA game sponsors Steven rayle Class Stephen uses that they they bring in a whole bunch of cool canoe compete. Steve gets a whole bunch of new computers. you know get access to a whole bunch of cool fortnight curriculum or whatever that's coming out and hint an ill it sounds like a good deal and gets gets access to kind of curriculum related to unreal unreal engine and uses unreal engine to teach programming and game design that locks in students it's it's student facing and if it might sound you know why even still having a hard time you know stomaching because really it's like a prolonged commercial your your advertising fortnight to kids in your advertising unreal engine two kids as the gateway towards you know learning to program you know why there are worse things in the world than than earlier kid game design programming using unreal engine right there. There are a lot worse first ways that we lure kids into products and this but but certainly that is a use case that I could if I if someone told me that epic Games was sponsoring. Steve's class. Steven rose class for going to give them twenty five grand to you too have a top of the line computer science classroom. I'd say that make sense to me. That's a cool deal. I I would probably have taken that deal if I had the ideal. It's hard won't take those deals would approve it heart. Oh like well. You know you know I mean. I'm sure it's the packing on cracking down on this stuff too. Though right like since the the list stuff a lot of boards boards and districts developed policies right of around not accepting outside finds like some some districts didn't have were we're kind of caught off guard with this clear list stuff and you know all of a sudden formed policies that that weren't in place before about you. You know you can't you can't get donations for your classroom from you know twitter so you know it makes stuff like getting sponsorship a ship a little complicated to right definitely definitely an interesting idea and I want to hear what other people are. Maybe other people can tell us about. Maybe you already have some sort of deal with a local business or a specific corporation. Maybe even Tostitos and you already have that in place. Let us know like what you think or if you think that this is the most horrible belie deal ever. Let us know why because it's I think it's a discussion that needs to be had. It's an interesting topic for sure so the last thing on our on on our list here that was super interesting to come across our desks. This week was something we talk about all the time all the time like I mean if we're definitely the most political education podcast you know so we talk about in this idea of free college tuition and and how you know how important this could be how game changing this could be for society and you know we've seen some states get on board like New York State and Tennessee that are offering you know within their state you know subsidies and stuff like that but I guess what's happening now in New Mexico. is that they're they're. They're what they're promising for. Years of tuition Gusset to any student is that right and he didn't that's interested in attending any public public university and the tuition will be free for those four years and it's huge. It's not a specific level of income. It's it's anybody that wants to attend and that may scare people rights. They might be like this is not that good of an idea idea but the concept that we have a pay wall we talk about video games all the time we have a paywall to further education nation in the United States and that paywall is a drastic extreme line and many of US borrow money to get past that paywall and really compelled to start our careers and be able to get going and I actually attended school in New Mexico. It goes so I I went to school in Roswell New Mexico in high school and I graduated from there and I'm looking at this and going wow that would have been so game. I'm changing for my life if I would have been able to attend a University of New Mexico state and LAS cruces or the University of New Mexico and Albuquerque and be able to go to seek out a degree as still be able to teach Spanish and I wouldn't be burdened with this debt that I have right. Now you know now that I'm the twenty three years later. It's actually more than that because I'm forty three now twenty five years later it's is when I started accumulating debt at age eighteen to be able to go school and then now twenty five years later of course you know all the interest builds up you have this is ginormous debt and that's become who part of ym carrying that you know that debt with me no matter what so people well in the state to yeah big time yeah because I actually went to school in Colorado. I figured hey why add to come. You know thing I ekka just go to Colorado and I and I went to school Colorado. Keep people within the states. When you attend a school in State probably the retention level of keeping those people people within the state to work in in that state gathering. Those industries up is probably really high to huge. It's all it all pays off for itself in the end and I I know that there's people that have arguments against it and some of them that I've heard our our kids aren't ready or some. Are you know they're a responsible etc.. I I was super responsible. Aj At age nineteen and twenty and twenty Ibn all of those ages but that doesn't mean that we're going to restrict people from not being able due to attend terrible argument for restoring kids from access and I totally agree. It's like yet you gotTa have something attached to that. It got attach some big money figure so that they could know what it feels like. In the game is the stupidest red herring for this that I've ever seen like it is the like. Do we really want to attach a metaphor like that to the future of our children durin. I'm on give your heads shake skin in the game. If the stupidest thing that I've ever heard is terrible argument you don't even though Mike you know. We don't even realize by we at eighteen or nineteen years old. You don't even realize that borrowing. This money is going to result in X. It you know later on. It doesn't even matter if you get. It explained if you have the ability to borrow it because you're like well. I want attend university. I'm going to borrow this money and they're like yeah you do understand. You'RE GONNA have to pay this back. We're like yeah I know. Hopefully you know this leads somewhere along you borrow money. It's not like a greatest choice urgency exactly right when we come back the dreaded red pen It's always seemed on the verge of going away for good but like a bad cold that I still have three months later. It seems to keep sticking around we'll talk about whether or not we think it's time to ban the red pen for good and why so stay with us on education is brought to you by pick my kid pick. My kid is an automated dismissal missile solution that cuts carline time in half it engages parents with apparent by being able to change dismissal routines rape from their phone friends that means no more more. 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I guess on on the twitter's about this sort of thing about you know whether this is an actual proper I kind of waited to do assessment Glenn. Do you think it's time to ban the red pen and if you do which I think thank you probably do why for sure we need to just ban it. As as it says here Trevor Mackenzie on twitter roads it's just thinking more and more that the red pen should be banned as an assessment tool and I totally agree were or so far into the twenty nineteen and we're still so using this tool that was used to be able to mark up like you said any types of papers or in this case assessments to show students students that yes they got something wrong and there's been definitely research done that shows that the that type of markup just creates this. It's really negative negative connotation for the students to be able to see their their papers is really the only thing that they notice on these assessments. It's our those red marks. You're not even looking for the learning part for student. You ignore the learning. All you're looking for is like you see all the red and whatever whatever was brought to you see that red grade about the top and that's all you learn you. Do I mean that's all you're getting from it. You're not really looking to see what answers. Shire's you missed or whatever might be a what learning can still take place. It's kind of a final boom here. It is it's done this was your learning at this is your final grade and so just it kind of symbolizes that kind of a finale definitely a summit of assessments kind of a thing and where you don't get to continue your learning and that sucks as far as for our students and I think many students than just fixate on those items and then they stop looking at anything else at all. How could you blame him and and again. It's not that hard to shift that and then say don't use that color number one but then the way that you that you assess let it be a growing experience as you talk about to. Mike all the talking about we all are making mistakes automic. We should be taking risks that school shouldn't like say it's a one time in and done type of activity and if you have these types of assessment tools though we are not demonstrating that as teachers we may say hey this class. You're allowed to take risks but if you use that as a as the way you markup things it's a it's actually a finale. It's like nope. This is it. The thing happens past this point which is just so it's not just the color. The color caller is problematic in and of itself yeah but the the the notion of marking aggressively marking up written work work for example is problematic like so. It's it's a metaphor of a red pen and then also the color of a red pen itself those there's two problems here right yeah absolutely well. I don't I my I guess my thing is. I don't have a lot of experience with this as an educator I didn't. I didn't do a lot of like written work because I was teaching computer science but I understand the idea of being de motivational certainly especially if you're like just like swats swats of red and all over someone's assignment I mean that's pretty vicious and I would imagine that for a struggling writer writer especially one that's kind of a little bit sensitive with their struggles to write and is aware of it conscious entre of it thinking that Kinda grade five or six student right. That's kind of that age where they would they would probably they could potentially attention take offence having you know just this red pen all over the place on their on their work and I think that the the best takeaway away from this as what you said before which there are probably better ways to do this overall you know there are there are more meaningful interactions we could have with our students who assess you know what they're doing instead of marking taking it up on a paper and then handing it back to them you know where you can have conversations and engage in discussion and give verbal verbal feedback for example work with them and at the same time even like being a google doc side by side or something like that there are. I think that there are lots of really interesting opportunities. When you start putting meaningful thought into what else you might be able to do instead of slashing a red panel across the page so hopefully people just spend a little time thinking about you know what what they're what they're doing there and how to do it and whether you know writing up someone's document is the best way to move forward when we come back we have a great guest. We'll be joined by Adam. Welcome so stay with US on education is brought to you buy fresh grade fresh grave always been known as digital portfolio innovators of fresh grade. Next is the all new learning network made for modern teachers and Tech Savvy Students with amazing new student driven. Learning journals students can upload their content and conduct ongoing self reflection to create their own record of learning Progress S. integrated simple and powerful to learn more about fresh grade next and sign up for your free account visit fresh grade dot com all right. Welcome back to the podcast everyone our guest today is a speaker teacher and the author of three books run like a pirate kids deserve servette and empower girls. Welcome to the PODCAST Adam. Welcome welcome in. Hey thanks for having me scripture awesome before before we get started. Maybe give us kind of the atom. Welcome WANNA one We love to hear a little bit more about you and your background. What what you how you got into education but what's led you also to your pathway to joining us on the podcast today. My Dad was a second grade teacher for thirty five the years in the in the bay area some pretty tough schools and I just kind of grew up in education and a snowboard a lot in college didn't go to class too much and graduated and didn't know what I wanted to do and had a couple of false starts in twenty three years old decided to get my credential essential and just got into teaching and then I got into administration because my first principal was a nice guy but he didn't do anything thing and I always felt that our school could be so much better and you can talk about something and you can complain about it or you can try to be the solution in I went went and got my admin credential in told myself. You know what I'm GonNa. Try to do better in then. I actually went back to where I went to school in. I was the principal at the school who were I went to school while in yeah and after a couple of years I almost left education because I was so frustrated with the ecosystem system of education in the red tape in the politicians and the bureaucracy and the no. You can't do that because we've always done it this way. We gotTA keep doing it this way because that's the way we've always done it. Take my wife sat me down. This is about ten years ago and she said honey. What can you do to stay in education and I was like well. Oh you know there's this thing called twitter and I've been on but I've been kind of a stalker and I'm gonNA. I'm GONNA go back. I'm GonNa Kinda see what I can do. And that was the turning point for me. Ten years ago I had a blog and I had been blogging and I just turned up the heat in I just spent hours on on twitter connecting building learning sharing and that really was what saved my career and after I was a principal I went off to be a a director of innovation for a large school district fifty schools thirty five thousand students in basically coolest job in the world. I just did whatever I wanted all day and had a team of teachers and we didn't we did professional development coding robotics classroom design you name it. We did it it and in that time I todd loaning. I met over over twitter. Obviously because twitter twitter is like the match dot com for educators. It's where you just kind of meeting people and then you see like people and then you take the conversation off of twitter offline and yeah we wrote kids deserve it and than two years ago my my speaking just like absolutely was taking can often on a tear in a lot of things you know doors open and I'm I'm somebody that walks through open doors and the door can be open but you gotta walk through and I just kept walking so I left my district job. I've just been doing this full time for the last two years about sixty five seventy the speaking events a year and still writing and consulting in leadership coaching and have my own podcast in this is the third podcast. I've been interviewed viewed on in the last week so I get the podcast love in I actually don't even really like to call myself a speaker. I still feel but I'm a teacher because if I can teach the people that I'm speaking to. That's really going to change them. I don't like the motivational in the inspirational because in in November or February in if you heard me August. Are you really still thinking about me. If I just motivated you probably not but if I can teach you and change your mindset to intern change your classroom in your practices or if your leader to change how you think about your entire school or or your entire district to me that's a job well done so I think of myself as a teacher when I go and travel the country into in and speak with Ed Tech Tech Conferences or school districts or leadership group so that's kind of where where I am sitting right now in twenty nineteen into and I live just outside San Francisco and the most expensive place to live in the entire country probably a coach my kid's soccer teams in you know I'm. I'm a dad I just you know just living my life so that's kind of atom welcome cliff notes version rast Lovett's of Adam in my current role. I have the privilege of also working with teachers as an instructional coach and you recently posted a video about making mistakes and you so you say the areas in my life where I'm not making any mistakes. I'm not trying anything new. Can you expand upon that and share how you would apply this to teaching so I have a lot of random thoughts at four in the morning when I'm running the streets of my hometown and before I answer that question Glenn I like to think of myself as the educator that talks about things things that most people don't WanNa talk about or the person that brings up something that other people don't yeah. I don't really want to talk about that because it may be controversial controversial there. I might hurt people's feelings or whatever I'm like. Let's talk about it because that's how we get better. If it's mistakes or if it's egos or if it's whatever it is and I think it's true I mean when I was if everything is is soft serve ice cream in UNICORNS. We're not getting better because that's means. We're doing the same old thing that we've been doing for twenty five years. You know like disparate twenty-five years does don't teach the same year twenty five times like you gotTA. You gotta be different different. You gotta think different. Our kids are different than new economy with new jobs. We can't expect our kids when they leave school to be problem solvers and to be creative to edit and and do everything else if we don't give them the opportunities to do that in school in. How do we let kids do that. Well we model for that. We modeled for them. I mean something that I'm doing right. Now is I'm I I do video and stuff and I'm I'm trying to make better video content. I make a lot of mistakes. I was editing video today. I was like this sucks. How do I make it better better and I'm going on Youtube but when you make mistakes that's when you go find resources to learn from and when I was a principal I always wanted to be the UN principle. I wanted to do it how nobody had ever done it because I knew it had to be done differently because our grandparents I want their principal back because leadership has to be different in the classroom has to look different so I would say pick one lesson pick one lesson. Yeah don't pick an entire subject matter. Don't redesign your entire classroom. Pick one lesson that you've been doing for a long time or pick a lesson. That is your the hardest lesson to teach. Where do you have to do. The most review word of the kids do the worst on the on the test that means hey that is ripe for Opportunity Midi and innovation and also don't think that you know everything because I'm GonNa tell you what you don't know. A Lot. Smartest person in your classroom is the entire classroom classroom is if they have a chromebook IPAD with Internet connection we have everybody has access to the same information. Information is commoditised. It's what you do with that information seven so pick that one lesson or pick that one area of your classroom in just try something new because if you're secondary teacher in what you tried second period doesn't work you know what you do for third period. You just change it a little bit fourth period. You just change a little bit elementary schoolteacher. You just change it after recess or after lunch. Most things never get done because they don't get started. People don't start with change and then they don't make mistakes that they learn from but then also look around your classroom. We do too much to kids. We need to do more with kids a class point. We're learning about the Ottoman Empire. You know what to keep it real. I don't like teaching about the Ottoman Empire. 'cause it's. Kinda boring. How do you think we can make it. A little more exciting here. Are the tools was at our disposal that we can learn from. We got some chromebooks. We've got some IPADS. We got some robots. We got some cardboard. You know what let's build a three D Steve version of cardboard of the Ottoman Empire and then we can get a robot and we can code the Ottoman Empire. We can learn that way. You Mike go get an ipad videotaped the whole thing. We can make a youtube video about this. Kids are going to be like what's up. Let's learn about the Ottoman Empire. It's not just reading out of a textbook said no kid ever or here's another worksheet with a different font about the Ottoman Empire said no kid ever. That's how you do it. The biggest thing is you gotta get over yourself. You GotTa get over what you don't know you. GotTa get over what you're uncomfortable with got over the fact that you will make mistakes you you gotta get over the fact that your kids may know more about you than some of these things as totally okay and if you can't get over that got a big problem then you will not move forward and you will not make change and you're. GonNa be stuck in the same thing. Teaching the same thing twenty times for twenty years the same old way in your kids will not be ready for the world that they live in not the world that we grew up in the world that they are growing up in is completely different hundred percent hundred percent so. I've been taking some pretty pretty serious steps lately to improve my health. I decided to quit drinking last week. dumped everything I'm at the the longest. I've been without a drink today. I think it's nine days today that I've been without a drink and fifteen years and I'm exercising a ton now now virtually every day sometimes twice a day a lot of what pushed me to go after this and to really stop and you've actually kind of mentioned this already an I I actually mentioned it when I when I do speaking as well as is the difference between talking about doing things and then actually doing them and there's a huge difference between those two things in and we can talk all day but at some point you know if you actually want to do them. You'll do them so I talk a lot about losing weight but I did actually want to and so I started you know kind of put my money where my mouth was a little bit. and part of the inspiration was seeing folks like you and there's a couple of other folks that share kind of their exercise on twitter and and and I started to think this is a critical aspect of not just life and being healthy and and happy but I think it you know of course Chris. It has a huge impact on your ability to do your job to be an effective educator to be ineffective father in an effective you know person of course your health is related to your life as a teacher right yeah yeah yeah and you you know so you share the stuff on twitter you share your physical activity and I've been starting to do that too. Because I am curious I want to ask you about that. Specifically is their intention -ality behind. You know the reasons for you. Sharing your your physical activity on twitter I find for me. It helped me remain accountable. people like. I was literally putting myself out there. you know and I actually had someone just a couple of weeks. Go though I saw you didn't exercise today my guy and right and I was like that was exactly what I wanted. Though that was exactly what I wanted and so I got people deming me when I when they saw that ahead and exercise. I suspect the reason why you do stuff like that is possibly to motivate others as well like like. Is there an intention analogy between the exercise and the sharing of the you I think is important yeah well. One of my books. I wrote is called run like a pirate and it's a book about running but it's not about running in Mike if you don't have a copy the DM era your address I'll send you a copy and before I wrote that I wrote that book because I ran thirteen marathons in one year and and a and a twenty four hour race and I wanted to document and I wanted to share because I can't tell you how many people have read that book and then message me and say they lost I sixty pounds or a hundred pounds and I think if people can see me run a marathon or run a hundred miles which I've done like you can run a mile an miles great and people tell me I only run a mile. I'm like no don't take out. Take the only early I ran a mile because running a mile or walking miles better than not doing anything is better than sitting on the couch and do nothing and I've always been an athlete. I've always really tried to take care of myself. I've been a vegetarian for like twelve years and I've been Vegan for three years and I actually to just stop drinking. I turned forty in July and I told my wife I'm not going to drink this year and I haven't had a drink since July fifth and you know I I feel great and my dad who was the teacher was dead. At sixty two years old died of cancer and I WANNA see my grandkids grow up you know and I feel better when I eat when I eat whale and I feel better when I when I exercise in I also it's not just about me. You know I I do put myself out there and even if one person got something from it to me. That's a win. Even if Mike is the only person that goes like Dang will adams doing that like come on lake. Take you know he looks happy and healthy and eating gray in shares shares his story. I can do that too and people. It's like what I talked about. When I I got on twitter it's low nervously. When you first put that tweet out there I picture but people want to connect people want to not even be inspired hire. People WanNa know that there's other people out there thinking about them. You know I'm on Pacific Standard. Time and I'm up at four o'clock in your in central time will it's six o'clock and we're running at the same time and that's like Dang. Yeah somebody else is doing what I'm doing and I'm starting the day off right and you know I don't do it to Brag and if people think that they just don't know me they don't have the right mentality with it. I do it to share in that. I meet people in person they tell me their stories or albeit in Missouri the and somebody's like hey. You're speaking tomorrow. Do you WanNa meet at five o'clock and go for a run. I can't tell you how many random educators that I've never met me me at my hotel and we go run five miles seven miles eight miles and they're thanking me for running with them and I'm like no no no no. You got it all wrong. Thank thank you for meeting me to go for a run. That's awesome yeah. You know what there's a Lotta. There's a lot of garbage going on our world and there always is in there always will be and when you can make those special connections and you can spend some quality time with somebody that is what makes our world a better place percents so out of your in your book. Kids deserve it. There's a quote that is it's shared often on twitter. kids deserve in excited adults. They need someone who's ready to explore and laugh laugh with them all day. They want a need us to come to school every day ready to surround them with love encouragement and hope now this is way easier said than done especially like you. Were just talking about not just at the beginning of the school year when you have you know you have that motivation you have the thing but in the doldrums of February A. B. Worry as we as educators can be our best selves every single day so I think first and foremost we have to pace ourselves you know the teaching is like a marathon run twenty nine marathons and I can't sprint the first five miles which is August September October November -cause by December January. We're February. I'm burned out. I can't finish puking on the side of the road in you. Both know what I'm talking about. The first thing is you take care of yourself and you gotTa Pace Yourself. You have to pace yourself and then the second thing is I tell people when I speak. You get to be a teacher. You don't have to be a teacher and if you don't like kids or for you don't like kids anymore. Find something else to do love. It and I think that goes to something that people go like whoa. I can't believe he just kind of said that but it's it's true though like you can go work in a loan office processing paperwork in a cubicle with no windows you get to come hang out with the kids in. I students that used to call me. Mr Happy because I was always happy. You know what like get to be a teacher turn. I get to be a principal in at the time that you don't like it anymore. Like you know what just do yourself a favor but more importantly do your students favor in go find something else to do and I just look at it. Like what other choice do you have. What are the choice do you have I mean an. NFL coach can come into the locker room belay. Hey all right yeah. We're playing today a blah blah blah like a multibillion dollar organization you do that like we asked you have to come ready and I get that like people's. People's is experiences are different and they might be schooled. It's toxic or their principal is not supportive than go work at a different school. There's more than just one school. You know like if you don't like the hospital that you're GonNa find another hospital like your car then. Why did you buy a Honda. Go buy a chevy like it's all just it's it's in our hands and I know I'm Trivia. You know making a trivial a little bit. It's not always as easy said than done because you could be living in some small rural town on in your family's there I get I get it but I think more often than not. We don't think we don't act in Nichols back to Mike. You're you said is is like stop talking to start doing in. I've been saying that for years like stop complaining about your principal like I did. I wish my admin credential and I wasn't a perfect principal. Obviously nobody is is but or at least tried to improve. Complaining is not a strategy. Take that out of your lexicon ticket out of a habit like been results oriented in your approach and I think that just covers so many things personally amp professionally. GotTa Pace yourself south. GotTa pace yourself so key hundred percent so I'm involved in a few organizations ends up here in in southern Ontario that are working hard in the coding and robotics space on encouraging and empowering girls specifically to feel comfortable comfortable and safe doing that and I was you know I was a computer science teacher before I left the classroom last year and always always always tried to make sure that the girls in my class specifically felt confident and capable mostly because they actually were they were in fact some of might like over the over the years that I taught computer science that the girls in my class were incredible inspiring even absolutely amazing. I suspect that this you know that we have a similar idea and you wrote you know empower our girls and and I suspect that the driving force was was similar this idea of of encouraging and empowering girls to feel comfortable in space it safe doing doing doing some of these things especially things that might be outside of their their perceived norm. I suppose I'll say with with with computer computer science being a really good example of that yeah. That book came about because my first years of principle. This is a very fortuitous question question. I taught a coding class and this was before Co.. Dot Org even came out and I talk about in the book. I had twenty kids sign up and I had one girl one girl sign up and hit me in the face and I was like what is going on. We're only girl signed up and I recruited. I recruited other girls as I want you and I want you and I call parents and this is not a new topic women. CEO's those are under represented women in politics startups everything and Lynn Cologne who is a first generation and citizen to this country. She's from Puerto Rico. We wrote that book together and she was. She was expected to be a housekeeper when she grew up her family in Puerto Rico said when you grow up when you're going to be housekeeper. It's just like you know what I'm GonNa. Have actually I'm going to have a different different path for myself and we just WANNA start. The conversation and the conversation has been and started that it's different needs to be different and we need to be intentional about. It can't just be like well. Nobody signed up like no not not not okay not okay. we talk about diversity equity will how about our girls and everybody deserves it everybody does but we just really wanted to put a magnifying glass on this because the data is out there. This is not a research based book. It's a it's a book and we got other educators from around the country three to submit their story in their experience to discuss you know what think about it a little bit differently end type amongst people and that's why they have girls that code in Black Girls Code Code. I mean there's a reasonably programs exist because there's a gap with girls not just in technology but in leadership opportunities a great book is lean in by Sheryl Sandberg. She's the C O facebook. I think any educator should read that book. Anybody with a daughter needs to read that. That book is not a new book. I've read it probably five times in gifted gifted it probably ten times and she talks about her own her own journey with being a powerful women in leadership and what that what that looks like in the struggle that it's been and we need to continue this conversation for sure so Adam. If our our audience members want to be able to connect with you online or be able to find your books or maybe even invite you to come speak at that would be amazing. How reach you you. I'm all over the Internet but mister atom welcome on twitter on Instagram on facebook mister atom welcome dot com in. I got a youtube channel and I put up content basically every single day on multiple different platforms and yeah I do speak so if you're a few organization your conference. Your district is looking for somebody to work with. I do leadership deep dives and work with leadership leaders and make them feel really uncomfortable all from a growth standpoint you know the cool thing about being a speaker is like I get to leave at three o'clock so I say things that your people may say a little bit differently or with more or hesitation just because I'm from out of town and I have a different level of credibility but obviously with a with positive attentions in mind so I just WanNa say thank you ask for having me on. I've had a podcast off the last four years and I know that a scheduling guests connecting in the PRI opposed in the all that stuff. I think more people need podcast. PODCASTING is the new blogging ten fifteen years ago. Everybody had a blog in two thousand nineteen. It is so easy to record ord- content. You can do it in a complex way. You can do it in a simple way. If you're a teacher you're listening to this podcast for your classroom started podcast with book reviews. If you're a librarian you need to podcast if you're a principal or your superintendent you need a weekly podcast also record the podcast you put that content on Youtube and FACEBOOK DOC and wherever people listen to podcast it is twenty nine thousand nine hundred. We have to be doing things differently. We can't be doing things the way we've always done them because if we do blockbuster blockbuster toys R. US we can't go out of business but we can become obsolete for our students and we cannot allow that to happen. That's it. That's exactly it Adam. Thanks so much for joining us. This has been amazing. Thank you very very much for having me man. Keep Roland guys keep Brolin. Thanks for listening to on education. My name is Glenn Irvine. Mike Co host is Mike. WASHBURN on education is part of the education podcast. 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Unsecured Networks, Punished Students | Doug Levin

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Unsecured Networks, Punished Students | Doug Levin

"The presenting sponsor for on education, a school at school, Jews, Natalie, the best learning management system. It's also a community of lifelong learners. There's so many things to love about school Jeep, but my favorite is the company's passion to connect with their teachers and students to deliver the best product possible. If you wanna learn more about school, Gede, how they could help you advance what's possible, visit school, Jeep dot com. Hey, Canada, one. Oh one. The leader of candidate is is a prime minister. Welcome to on education. I Mike wash it. I'm glad to have been friends. We have an awesome pod for you today. We will recap the apple events, disgust, these sports cover of ESPN the magazine talk about whether teachers should be running as political candidates, and our guests this week is Doug Levin. Who wrote this incredible article for Ed surge about student hackers? Did you watch the event? I watched some of it. It's a lot of. I guess that's what it's supposed to be. Self promo. You know, a lot of people clapping about things. Aren't these phone names so dumb now, like these are dumb names, whether it is that when the excellent necks, what does ex max? I have no idea is that I know what it is. Team? Are you going to get one of those? It's like the size of a MAC book screen big now. I mean. I'm getting a new phone, you know, I don't want to call it the, I don't want to call it the ex max exciting, dumb thing to say. When people ask you what kind of phone you have of got the aspects. Stupid name. Why couldn't they have just and then there's so there's x. s? Okay. And then there's x. is that x. s max, I guess, I guess. And then there's x. are or something. There's re right. There's like, so stupid. People are obsessed with the litter act seconds. Yeah, yes. So will the next one be the eleven I get? Because it's the x. represents Ken is I will only ashes like the mid year. So like they done, they typically done like iphone seven than seven estimate yet? Yeah, Yep. So this is in they skipped nine, you know? Because no one likes nine because the number is is like, yeah. Why do nine when you can have the axe right to skip right to that, right. Everyone hates on nine red headed stepchild. That's pretty strange. But the watch is exciting. The watch is supposed to be really damned. Good. Now wants to those watches cost though. They think they went down in price too, like much like. So like in the they're still like in the four or five hundred dollars. I guess they'll buying a four or five hundred dollar watch so insane. Right? I saw that I thought that that might be the price, but I was like, no, it's gotta be like two hundred bucks. Now it's four or five hundred. They added some some interesting monitoring stuff. And I mean, I don't know. I think they're sexy is how they look so good. I like my fifth, the fifth versa. It looks almost like an apple watch. Does it does everything just about that? Anapa watch dies. I bought. I went on Amazon and bought like one of the cool metal bands for like a snap on band because I hate those plastic ones that fit it, send with it that you don't even know what that reminds me of the wake. You grew up in the saver that I dated reminds me of seventh and eighth grade. You know what this reminds me of, right? The calculator watches though. That's what the swats watch. Oh. I never watch. I already poor when I watch. I didn't even. I was never gonna get, but everybody had those those different bands on those elastic right, pink colored bands and whatever other colors you could get. Yeah, I did have red suede high top shoes, though nights where they converse, they were Franklin. Off brand, right? That's the KMart brand. I love the right. I had some of those. Oh, man can be back. So anyway, the apple watch. Yes, it is amazing. I just a lot of the things I'm like, God is it really is that kind of tech, really that much it is, then you know, it really does. Well. The most profitable company on the planet. So they're making money hand over fist. They're charging as much as the market can bear yet, you capitalism. I mean, I mean they have, what do they have something like one hundred billion dollars in the Bank they in, they just they're the only company that has just truckloads of money and nothing to do with it. They have absolutely nothing to do well with that must be nice problem to have. Aid us. One hundred hundred grand would change my life. Yeah, like hundred. Grandma change any teachers life we should put out on Twitter thing would change my fifty grade. You just gave some fifty grand in cash though. Taxes associated with it. Talk about spurring on the economy. Yeah, every you give every family fifty thousand dollars. It's interesting experiment to see what exactly we don't. We all would blow it too. Right? A new car. No wouldn't pay off the bills. You know seven other car payment because I, I wouldn't buy fifty thousand dollar car by one hundred. I'd buy a tesla and when I put fifty grand. It's half price. Someone would do that. The topic this hilarious. I mean, my bills. Let's get back on topic are going to FETC. We're going to mention this every time. 'cause I'm really, really pumped about FETC listen. There's a lot of reasons I'm pumped Amine against the first one is that when we said, if this podcast grows, the thing that we wanna to do the most is just go other places in. We wanna use the money that we make. If we make money, heaven forbid this, we wanna use that to go places that we don't wanna were not pocketing it. We're not using it as like income were paying the bills, do have bills. It lets him, we wanna we wanna go place exact. Let's go connect with other people. And so that's what we're doing. We're we're taking the money and were dumping it back in. We're going places. So we're going to have t. c. and now literally now we have the money to go to FETC is the and school g next. And those are three awesome conferences. We've, we love them. They're they're great. And I mean, we're just getting to keep adding places to go. So Evy t. c. is is a big deal and we got some plants, so so there's a lot of things that are going to happen as we ramp up to FETC. But I guess one of the things we, I guess wanna throw out there right now is that if you're presenting it, if he if you wanna come on in Romo your session, get in touch with us, send us a message on Twitter DM. Glenn diem me see 'em the pod, whatever, but get in touch with us. We wanna get people on we, we, we love when guests make themselves known to us as opposed to us having a hunt for them. It is. It is one of the hardest parts of putting the show together as coming up with a new person to talk to every week. But we want to talk to people who are presenting it, especially if you're talking about things like we're really like right now, we're really into games. Base learning were really into east sports really into project base learning. You're gonna hear from Doug Levin a little bit later on the show talking about internet safety or will not internet safety, but like cybersecurity and hacking in and infrastructure policy at super interesting discussions, even like politics and government in if you're involved in presenting or talking about that kind of stuff we want to hear from you. So if you're presenting it Evy TC. Reach out, reach allied into our d. Avs and and get after us because we wanna we wanna talk about this stuff in. We wanna have yawn absolutely. We were were ramping up this. We are in full FETC mode. For the next three months, we're gonna have we're working with the folks at if he TC the actual people running it, they're going to supply us with people that are presenting as well. So you might get a word from them about possibly coming on the show, which would be awesome. So so take that opportunity. We wanna talk to you guys for sure. That's you guys are awesome. We want you to be on the show totally. What else? Well, I ran into an article about basically teachers being tired of legislators who are during the education in general or promising things, but never delivering, which happens way often. And basically they're like we're gonna run as political candidates in basic in the article kind of goes through giving several different examples of people that are currently running for some sort of seat where there'd be for congress. Or their state congresses or legislators and how difficult it actually is as a teacher. I mean, you still have to teach full time. You're not going to get some kind of time to be able to go ahead and you know, be able to run your. Your four campaign your campaign. So it's it's difficult. I was thinking about you then to because you you helped, obviously local candidates who were that the the guy that was on the show he, Yup, he was a teacher too, right? Yeah, yeah. So so he was lucky he, he took a one month leave of absence leading like the month just the month before up by like not every district not every school board is going to be willing as supportive guys as that. I mean, it was an even then. I mean, he takes a leave of absence. He's not getting paid. No. I mean, he's not gonna pay a leave of absence and not making any money wanted to win and listen. No one worked harder than Pekka and and I think I think teachers running for office is amazing dissident in so many ways, but think about this. I when you wrote this on here, I thought who better to run for election than that someone who's fairly well educated. I mean, we're not talking PHD's and master's degrees even though some of them do in some of our some of our best. Listen, some of our best educator friends have PHD's masters degrees. So I'm not saying that, but. But. Well educated, and they have. A live experience? Yes, that is kind of like just like averaged Knoble people lived experience, but also the shared experiences of their students in their communities. Yes, really connected to the communities to what's actually happening that only did the school environment, but also within their local communities to be able to say, hey, these are the issues that my students are facing, which obviously is what we all are facing within the specific districts that they actually work for. So I love people like here in Minnesota. We have Tim walls who was a former history teacher. I know that I was looking trying to look up like who else has actually, you know, been teachers that, of course, you guys is president is a teacher, right? Sorry. You're presidents. Trudeau was prime minister. That is why he threw me off. Call them present. Sorry, how terrible? Yes. Our prime minister. Hey, Canada, one. Oh one. Your candidate. Today's prime minister Justin Trudeau and he was a teacher and he was a teacher writes, Anna boxer apparently. That's a joke. Okay. But yes, he was a teacher was looking at Elizabeth Warren. We have quite a few actually educators. Yes, exactly. Educators who have been in education in k. through twelve or at the university level, and then bow are running for different political offices, which is super awesome. And if obviously those people are on your ballots go out there and support them. Yes. Ironically, the secretary of education. Yes. Knife was on an educator just saying, I'm just saying just I am. Yes. Throwing it out there. No, totally. I can't think of better more well rounded people the perfect balance of of life experience and education in, you know, ideally, some critical thinking skills and and emotional, you know, well, roundedness most educators fit that description to t- for sure, that's that's the type of people we want in the diversity of experience too. I mean, educators, even in even in a state, the let's talk about Minnesota where you have like the twin cities, and then you have, which are like super urban, less big cities, large major metropolis areas with lots of diversity and minorities and all of that stuff. And then you have urban or rural areas which are totally not overly diverse and stuff like that. So you have even Minnesota's the perfect example of the diversity of experience. So if you get all of those. Educators that run and wind together. You have a giant level of diversity in your elected officials that that gives a diversity of opinions and perspectives in lived experiences to speak to the issues related to, you know, different groups in different areas of expertise. Yes, perfectly. It'd be ideal. So perfect. What what else do we got going on here? The last thing I was talking about is we actually brought this up last week about, well if not last week, but a couple of weeks ago about France banning the cell phones. So there was another article exactly. There was another article written, basically the Washington Post. It just said the articles making the argument instead of banning cell phones. Here's some things that we should be helping our students with our kids with things like making sure that they get enough sleep. I know a lot of parents right now actually take the cell phones away from their kids, and they all put all their cell phones at a certain area and night talking about. And then that way the kids actually get to sleep and they're not on their phone or your checking the latest snap or whatever might be, and then they get good sleep. Just really smart things that you can do with your kids right now, instead of saying though, were banning cell phones that's going to cure. Alright problems in the world. So things like playing more outside and really spending less time with digital media getting out in an actual reading books. That's awesome. You know, and and one of the things that is also a lost thing, that's the number five on their list is how about writing a letter? Nobody does that really anymore, especially your loved ones. You know, like my kids are separated from their Mike parents, you know, by the whole country, basically they're down to write in the south west, so it'd be great if they could write these things incentive draw and things. And you know, we talk about our kids all the time and say, if they're not constantly on games or media itself, they might be talking about them in creating because of those things. You know, like the inspiration comes from some of these things, but it's not like that's where they live, you know, and and making sure that we have a good balance of all of those things balances, balance, ballots. I mean, Mike can't place. Fortnight. My kid has an ipod. He loves his ipad. He loves his XBox, but I mean, he reads any draws and at listen, I'll admit he doesn't go outside as much as we'd like them to. And that's as much follow the same. But we do have them in scout. So we we do scouts and I'm a, I'm a scout leader actually keynote to head to the I don't have time for and but it's it's a priority and we, we go camping. We do go at side in and it's a balance. Yes. Like I mean, just have balancing your lives and you won't have these issues. I, I really feel that. I mean, I guess I mean, I realized that there are one off situations where no matter what you try to do, you're not gonna. You're gonna have kids who have like addiction addiction tendencies shift like that for sure that you can't. You can't like just say it's going to be a balance, except right. Yes. You know, it's like telling a depressed. Person to stop being depressed. I mean, depression is a real thing and you can't just say stop, right. Well, I mean, I suppose that there are issues like that with with technology in the diction and stuff like that. There are, but bandaged cellphones at schools does is off anything, especially zero to one hundred right away is on any situation. Ridiculous is cell. Phones aren't going away. So we talked about them for a long time. All they're gonna do is become more prevalent, more hundred percent aware. So then you have to learn how to live with them, you know? Yes, it that's the biggest thing hundred percent. When we come back, we're going to talk about what seems like a pretty regular topic here these days. It's in the news again. Yes, in a huge way. We're gonna talk about east sports. On education is brought to you by teacher Gabi teacher gaming desk is all in one tool kit for any teacher looking to use more games in their classroom and teacher game in just launched the dedicated Chromebook subscription bundle with twenty awesome games. And I'm gonna tell you right now. It's only ninety nine dollars per class per year to get your whole class. You get twenty different games that could be played on a combo of great. Is that if you want to learn more about teacher gaming, simply goats teacher gave me dot com to get started. Going back to the podcast. East sports is huge everywhere all the time now, and we've spent so much time talking about it as a release education. I wrote that article with with our buddy Steve ISAACs and I mean, and now it's, it's really, really if it hadn't hit the big time. Before I feel like this is a another big moment in in east sports in eventually this stuff all filters down to like east sports on education, which is why we're talking about it so much ninja. If you don't know who ninja is ninja is easily while right now easily the most popular game streamer in the world. Yes, reference this guy a couple times before he's insanely popular. It's he's insanely engaging. Super interesting. And he's very, I've seen instances where he's come on and just like randomly a replied to people on Twitter and said, yeah, I'll I'll talk to you for a few minutes by video or whatever. So mean he's incredibly popular. He plays fortnight mainly, I suppose. But this guy's a real, the real deal, and he is the first east sports. Player or the first video player. To be featured on the cover of the ESPN ESPN the magazine? Yes, and and it's, it's really I the the covers legit like exotic cool would cool looking cover? Yes at Glen, and I were just talking about the the pictures in the article, even we'll look at his Reagan's. You gotta shave his room. We're like, we got actually talk about his rig on the podcast because boy, a boy, we're going to link the article in the show notes. Yes, but talk talk about ninja forbidden and you had some thoughts on this guy. Look, I guess. So ninja real name is Tyler Blevins. He's twenty seven years old which you would never looking at him. He's a young, twenty. Seven. Yeah. He looks like he's nineteen. He looks like he's eighteen or nineteen years old, which headed part of the appeal, my sons watch him play just like they watch ghetto. Dan TDM play online. And you've talked a lot about. Just how much money is in this industry now and it. This guy is making basically seven figures a month, and it's it the articles, amazing though because you can read about it, really get insight into his life. And you know, someone might go like those guys play video games must be a nice life. It's really at grind though. He is basically on line six days a week for sixteen hours a day. He doesn't eight hour shift. Basically in the morning, eats dinner and the dozen other eight hour shift that night. And he needs to do that in order to continue basically building up his subscribers and building up his personal brand and within the article is so cool. Mike, he, he talks about basically saying, I'm hoping that I'm not actually that this is not the peak, but but I'm preparing for it to be the peaked. You know what I mean? That's once you know, it will fortnight. Always be as popular as it is right now. We don't know. And so therefore he knows that he's going to have to make a transition into something else, you know, and and he's already starting to prepare for all those kinds of things. Even just going and doing the interview for this ESPN the magazine into photo shoots. He was talking about like how he loses, like seventy thousand dollars a day because of how much subscribers drop off his channel when he's not when he doesn't stream one time, it's so crazy. It's awesome. And I think is far as life type less is number one. Sure. He's making seven figures a month, but he is a grinder I made this guy's got obviously a phenomenal personalities gifted in this, and he's also an amazing player of the game. So it's not just, you know, I great personality, and then now I I, you know, I'm good. No, he's he's one of the best players in this specific, you know, game this sport night game. So it's super cool. I love reading it. 'cause it's just gives you a great insight and it gives you a great talking points like for your kids. If they're, you know your kids like my sons or for your students, those kids, and be able to talk through those kind of things to say, hey, it is a legitimate career, but just understand it's a grind and it's tough. It's competitive, and you're kind of out there by yourself to he is his own brand. He has his own company, so it was super cool to be able to read that. He was also featured on the on that is very timely for what we've been talking about. It's amazing. I, I'm just even just reading the story of his life and how they had to move out of the house. They were living in and moved him or like a gated community because people were literally just showing up at his door as they figured out where he lives, and you know how he takes a day off for a date day because you know the guy's smart and he realizes that you have to balance and you have to maintain relationships and spend time with your wife is white, manages his his quote, unquote business side of things. So she does meetings in phone calls and stuff like that. And. There was actually a really funny picture. On Twitter? Probably a week or two ago. Ninjas wife posted that she was on face time call with Brett farve co k. she took a screen shot of it because she couldn't believe she's like, can you believe that I'm FaceTime ING with Brett farve right now is like, this is my life now, and it's amazing. It's unbelievable, so awesome. Like they're they're legit and they're hard workers that you know the six hours in the morning, and then they take a break at around four and then he's back on for another six hours at eight. And I mean, that's a grind. That's that's a twelve hour day in if listen it look down your nose, all you want, but these guys are working working hard. Oh God, yeah, it super talented. I mean, if he was doing this, he would be doing some other kind of personality type of thing. Radio guests, the someone a TV show type of personality. 'cause he's amazing, really quick witted. And again, if you're on for sixteen hours live, that is so hard. I mean, that is so crazy difficult to do in continue to keep that energy up, not only just playing the game, but keep your energy as far as your audience engaged and communicating with them, man. This is crazy. I'd like we use before because one of the things that I've been thinking about as as I've been streaming a little bit more lately in streaming with with. Friends, Steve, and Paul Varzi, Ian, and other people you've you've haven't been on the stream yet Glenn, how Japan. Almost a couple of times. I guess we're gonna. We're gonna play her stone, I guess is awesome. And it was one of the things that I thought about when when you mentioned it was he got to be good to like this guy just isn't entertaining. He said, damn good video player. He's still game plays crazy. He's so ridiculous and just awesome. You gotta be good like you can't just be entertaining. So he's got the perfect combination of all this stuff. So let's talk about how this relates to kids. Yes. First off. Kids are watching this guy constantly. Yeah, he's a hero absolutely to some of these kids twelve year olds, Ascani twelve year old who ninjas and they'll no, they'll do exactly of course, they'll know and ask any almost any twelve year while four is, and they'll know ask any twelve year what floss is and they'll, they'll they exactly they will floss in the hallway, stop floss. They'll go. Yeah. Larry, if you floss for your students, the lose their minds. Promise promise you a challenge someone to floss for their kids and put it on video and then tag us in a tweet. There's your weekly challenge that it'd be hilarious. We don't do those things, but we should. There's a, there's a challenge for you listeners floss for your kids, especially young elementary or let them teach you that exactly lose it. And and so whether you like it or not, whether you think it's a bad thing or a good thing, this is where your kids are, and this is what they're doing when they go home. And would you rather be engaged with your kids and what they're doing at home and help them make smart decisions related to their media consumption and talking about it and and engaging like just developing community and having fun with your kids, or would you rather, you know, poo poo it and say, it's a bad thing and ignore it. I guess that's my first take on this, right? Yes, absolutely. A betas parents, we need to know what are what our kids are obviously doing online. If this is their passion, you know, they're actually at a lot of kids. This is their passion than get involved, kind of find out about it. Watch some of the things I think you'll actually be entertained. You'll under start to understand. And why it's so compelling, you know, it's it's a combination of watching live sports plus watching TV show. That's what it feels like to me. It's like you, you merge those things perfectly together with the right person or personality. And honestly, that's why people are watching twitch. You know, in for hours on end hundred percent said. So that's that's the first thing. The second thing is, especially if the older levels east sports is becoming a legit thing. It's a real danger of does a few times and so not only is ninja the at the forefront of, you know the entertainment side of this, but then these kids wanna do this too, and they wanna do it in even in school and and things like the NASA f- are starting to facilitate in high school. East sports competitions as an outlet for students who may not be, you know, maybe they can't catch a football at at, you know, thirty yards. Away, but the thick and jungle on legal legends, like it's no one's business. Yes. And why wouldn't we let them give them an outlet to be competitive? Yes, to be passionate about something be part of a team to be part of a team in know what that feels like and to do that. Well, why? Why wouldn't we do that? You can't give me an argument. The stronger than that against this. You can't. There's there's no argument you can make stronger than that that we need to provide. We should be in the business of providing opportunities for kids where they are not where we want them to be. Yes, absolutely. And this is a legitimate sport now omitted really is, but the people went accepted or not, or you know, they're pooh-poohing it, like you just said, does it matter? It is what it is. It's it save multi billion dollar industry with the twitch channel and YouTube live, whatever might be as far as streaming itself, and these guys are at the forefront of it that we wanna make sure we're like. Helping our skied our students to the right places hundred percent. Absolutely. So we're going to put the article about ninja in the show notes. We're gonna put. There's. There's actually a couple. We're gonna link that are super interesting, lots of reading homework for you on this episode of on education. We have the article coming up with our with our next guest as well. When we come back, we're going to talk to a cybersecurity expert. Doug Levin on education is brought to you by audible. So I got to tell you about this book. So I'm reading a book called, you can't spell America without me. It's written by Alec Baldwin and it's and it's in Trump's vernacular Lincoln's in his voice. It's written. It's like as if it was written by Donald Trump, and so I'm reading it and I'm thinking every time I'm reading it. I, I'm hearing Donald Trump's voice breeding it to me. So I looked up on audible if it was there and I'm telling you it's there. So this is Alec Baldwin in the voice of Donald Trump, reading the book. You can't spell America without me. You've got to listen to this. It is an absolute nightmare of book. It's hysterical. So all the you guys have to do to listen to. You can't spell America without me. Go to audible trial dot com. Slash on education. That's audible trial dot com. Slash on education, and you will get a free audiobook download which you should totally use for. You. Can't spell America with me by Alec Baldwin read to you by Alec Baldwin in the voice of Donald Trump at. There's nothing better go do that. Like right. Now. All right. Welcome back to the podcast guys. This is Doug Levin. We're here with Doug Levin. He wrote an article on Ed surge and I couldn't resist, but having him on the show, welcome to the podcast. Thanks very much for having me. So tell us a bit about the story that you wrote about specifically. I think actually, I tell us about what you do in, where are you from what your background is? I think that's an important primer to this conversation for sure, yeah, yeah, sure. So currently, I run my own consulting firm and I'm based in the Washington DC area. I spent my career working in a variety of roles primarily in US education policy often with a emphasis on issues of technology. So just to give you a sample of some of the things that I've done over the years, I was executive director of Sita the state educational technology directors association for about. Five years. I spent some time with the national association of state boards of education, and for many years, I was at a sort of a think tank and research shop called the American institutes for research. So a variety of of roles, but always interested in the intersection of education and technology. Awesome. Awesome. All right. So this article you wrote for ad surge. Super interesting. I was like constantly nodding my head of run into issues with students and IT systems quite a bit. I'm a computer science teacher enough, had a hand in in our one to one program and our network infrastructure and all that stuff. So talk about the article a little bit and talk about this story a little bit that you told and even give us some details. If you have anything that was left out of the article in terms of what's going on. Even since the article has been written or anything like that while. Well, all right, that's a, that's a lot to chew right there. So let me start actually way at the beginning. So actually the the article that you read on Ed searches, actually reposting of an article that I had done on a site that I run k, twelve cyber secure dot com. Right? And that's a site focused primarily on emerging cyber security issues facing schools as they increasingly rely on technology. And so I've been tracking cybersecurity incidents. And one of the themes that I've seen over the time that I have been doing it is that some significant percentage of incidents do involve students in some way. And as I started to see incidents, I started to have some questions about how the students were being treated in some of these incidents, and also how these students were able to. Accomplish what they did on school IT systems. Because to me, it suggested that maybe there was an issue with how the school had set some things up and that students shouldn't have been able to do that in the first place. And so what happened is in June of this year, I got a phone call out of the blue from the mother of the student in this story, and this is while the disciplinary issues were still being debated in the school district, and the district was investigating her son on sort of computer related charges, and she was just looking for help. And so I think she just went online looking to find anybody who had any insights or advice, and it turned out that I was able to help her a little bit, give her a little advice. And ended up speaking to her lawyer as well. But I made an open invitation to her at the time which was, you know, depending on how things worked out that this was a that I had sympathy and empathy for her son in this situation that the school district seemed to be treating this case a little harshly from what I could tell. But that if she wanted to tell her story to get back in touch with me, and that's just in fact what she did. Awesome. Awesome. So you ask a lot of really interesting questions at the beginning of the article, and I can't help, but come back to the fact that the so-so one one part of the story that's incredibly revealing in interesting asks way more questions than than it answers is the fact that the username password for the account that this student seemed to be using was in on was on a note pad on a note attached to the frigging computer. So. I mean, I just couldn't help, but like shake my head and get really frustrated of died. So I guess my question is, do you have any sense that whoever did this, whoever left in. What appears to be a full blown administrator account, using him a password on the computer? Were they taken to task for it? 'cause tell you where where I am if a teacher had done this even with like Ma using the passer defiant, put it on my monitored, I would have been just blasted definitely written up and you know, it would not have been pretty. Do you have any sense of? I know it asks way more questions, but do you have any sense of what they've resolved in terms of, you know, just what happened with the person that actually did this in how you're responsible. It was in the first place? Well, I mean, what I can gather from talking to the family involved. This wasn't a one-off occurrence, the the student involved related several examples of administrative sort of username. Passwords being sort of stick on sticky notes on computers over the years. And in fact, as speaking to a reporter and she was pressing me on how tech savvy I like, how would I describe the student involve? Was he very tech savvy, for instance? And you know, at at one level clearly he was, but in another level, like, I don't know. I'm not convinced that if the system was properly secured that he could have gotten in. Right? So, and it's not just that the username and password was on the computer. Right. I mean that on this on the, you know, for administrative account was on next computer. That's bad enough. I mean, that's not good. But this shared administrative account had had student user names and passwords available in a file clearly marked in in plain text in another folder wasn't application that allows you to change, you know, sort of administrative roles and rights, you know, rights enrolls forever user in the district, unbelievable, bright. At some point, he and his twelve year old friend were able to install a crypto currency minor on a district server and the district, you know, like the kid was incredulous because they're running the CPU on the school server flat out and they ran for, I don't even know how long it sounds like months and they never caught it rate. So they weren't looking at their logs and ultimately how they got caught right was they had figured scheme to get around the school filtering system. I think it was eyeball. With a used, but the way they did it is they found an old teacher account. This is a teacher who is no longer with the district for for at least two years is still there was still there. It was still active. It was not being monitored. And what the students found is that if you log in under this teacher account, the school filtering system district filtering system treated you differently, right? So teachers at different rates than students. And what happened is that that spread like wildfire throughout the district because these student is friend there, you know, sort of the original sort of two. Started figuring this out when they were twelve at a middle school, but they went to different high schools. So they told their friends, they're friends, told their friends. And eventually somebody told administrator or teacher or the fact that the whole school was playing fortnight or on YouTube or whatever. Figured out something was wrong, and they fingered a friend of his who then fingered him, and then they call them that way. So it's not just that the district had this one issue. Right. And so as they as they were talking to me, I'm like, there's a lot of things that don't really seem to add up and as an I even reached out to the district ultimately for comment about this and they basically, I mean, this may be a little unfair to put it this way, but basically stonewalled me and said, look, everything is fine. What they did was these kids were were wrong or pursuing criminal charges that we're not gonna talk about an ongoing investigation, but but but I'll say the story is not over, right? So because the local community didn't know this, that if there was any issues whatsoever and now they do and what I'm I'm still in touch with the family that there will be more written about this, and they'll be. Issues brought before the school board, and so we'll we'll sort of see how this ultimately shakes out. So I mean, two factor security would have well, I guess I guess the the account was logged into the computer in the first place. But I mean the second time they tried to log into it, they wouldn't have been able to if just if two factor authentication was would have stopped, would've stopped him cold in the tracks. Right? Because they also realize they figured out a way to do this to access the system remotely. Right. 'cause they the the district had set up remote access system. Sure. And so, yeah, so, but that account work, right. So so so then that that allowed them to continue to do it when they weren't at school and when they went to different high schools. Right. So, yeah, to factor would have would have stopped this in its tracks, right. They still would have had the physical issue at that machine that was logged in public space, but that's a much. Smaller issue. So what's crazy about this is that I mean, if you are fourteen fifteen years old and you play world of warcraft, you know what two factor authentication is if you if you play any sort of games that has an online portion I'm looking. I'm literally looking at key fobs on my desk for video games. Anyone you know could have thought like there, how many layers of administration? No one thought to to just enable two factor indication. So do you have a sense of how widespread the lack of expertise concerning security really is in? And I guess the follow up question would be that is this is is a lack the lack of expertise in the lack of tools like simple, two factor authentication. Is it a budgeted budgeted issue, or is this a? Is this a red herring calling out budget? Is that a red herring for you know something else going on? What do you think. Yeah. So I mean, basically what I've seen based on sort of my cybersecurity work and I've at this point I've documented over three hundred sixty cybersecurity incidents just in US public schools since two thousand sixteen. So some some of them are of those are because of sophisticated outside attackers like criminally motivated that you know would be hard for anybody to stop. But the frankly, the vast majority are. Basic cyber hygiene issues gone wrong. So losing control of passwords. You know, posting stuff publicly when when folks didn't realize it was public falling for really low level phishing schemes or downloading ransomware, etc. And not having backups and things like that. Right. So that suggests to me that there is not not enough attention being paid to this. But I mean, I think in some ways it's a, it's a budget issue just because whenever schools have scarce amount of money that they're going to, you know that they want more toward technology. They always it's always about buying software or buying hardware. Right. And then maybe you would think about staffing your your internal IT team up, but and maybe you think about professional development, right? But those are those are not seen really is priorities, right? So they're going to spend every penny they can getting stuff into people's hands, not so much in supporting it's use and then right. And then security is like, that's for sure, right. Then security is kind of an afterthought in part because I think schools haven't been that exposed, but what I'm seeing and it's not surprising to me in in some ways. But what I'm seeing. Is that the schools are relying on this stuff more and more they are exposed. And I think they don't really understand where the threats are coming from and what the issues are. I mean, I think things like multi factor authentication. I am absolutely seeing a trend in colleges and universities where they're starting to mandate that for everybody at that level. It's definitely the exception to what I've seen at the k. twelve level. It can't kind of to your reaction. It can't stay that way because it's a fairy very effective tool. It stopping these kinds of vulnerabilities, but there is a bit of a cost to implementing it. It is a, the security is tough because. Requires sort of end users to change their behavior. There's often resistance and and people try to work around it and we'll push back against it. And so ultimately I, I kind of I've you at Moore's leadership issue, right? And you know, the leadership just has to set this as a priority. And I think they tend to think of this kind of an issue right now. Right security and IT thing, they'll just take care of it. It's their job. It's not our responsibility that we're buying all the equipment and connecting all these things to the internet and not just classroom computers, but security cameras, routers, printers, you know, telephone systems h h back the HR system in the school district. I mean, there's an enormous amount of stuff that is exposed to the internet and. Yeah, yeah, know for sure. I think people are just wrapping their heads around this issue now, and I've been spending a lot of time trying to educate people about the need to pay more attention to this issue, but it's it's definitely tough. It's tough for schools. I think you know, I what I try to tell people is not to be overwhelmed by it. Really, there's common sense steps that everybody can take to raise awareness just to try to keep your stuff, you know, sort of patched and up to date. Use password managers use second factor authentication. If you can doing anything is better than doing nothing right, but, but we're going to need to do a lot more. It's funny because you send a whole bunch of things that that that you know I thought about while you were while you're while I was reading this. I mean, I guess my first thing I remember posting a couple years ago and it came up on my Facebook feed a a couple of days ago about. You know, the fact that we had to buy new headsets for for our whole school, I work at a private school, so we're not in a district or anything, but had to buy new headsets for all the computers when we have a lot of devices at our school and it was thousands of dollars and some people just simply don't appreciate that things in bulk like that cost a lot of money. And you wouldn't think that like a thirty or forty dollar headset would be a big deal when you're just buying one for your house for your kid or whatever. But we had to buy almost hundreds of these things and things I've absolately no idea how much enterprise level to factor Thana -cation costs. So I can appreciate if someone told me, you know, it's thousands and tens of thousands of dollars to set this up in. You know when we can barely buy textbooks. You know to factor Thana -cations seems like something that should be little bit further down on the totem pole. You know, if that's the actual real issue on cool with it. I mean, I can at least engage in the conversation, right? I'm willing to hear you out for sure. So that's, I guess, one point related to what you were saying that the you said something about the the administrators in IT people not even necessarily knowing where the threats are coming from. And one of my biggest thoughts related to this whole issue is what to do with the students and, and you know, we have all of these companies all over the place that do things like have bug bounties and security competitions and hack Athans in. And I'm thinking, why don't we just do this at school one, we actually ask kids to try to break our security and research. It. You see what they come up with, figure out what they did and then stop it. I mean, at least then it's engaging these students in solving a problem. You know, you can talk even about your subject here and say, look, this is what happens when you do it the wrong way, but why don't you help us? And you know, we'll give you an outlet for your creativity because that's I think what some of this is and you know, have this, maybe even a competition. What do you think of ideas like that? Even at the k. twelve level? No, I think it's a fabulous question in a fabulous idea. I mean, one of the things that really struck me about this story in particular is that I've seen a really a great range of ways that schools respond to incidents like this. Sure. And this example certainly seems to, in some respects fall down even on the more draconian ends of the scale, right? I mean, this is a pretty harsh response. Monce. I definitely have heard stories of other schools that have used. You know, kids like this is as sort of the frontline IT support. I think we were talking before the podcast started. I mean, like kids are able to figure things out about Squatty systems that you know educators, we don't have time to do that right, and to do that research to figure that stuff out, we can learn things about our own systems from these kids if we only engage them. And I think particularly when you're talking about kids that are twelve thirteen, fourteen years old. Sometimes even younger been this there, this kid could have done incredibly militias things. I mean, he basically could have wiped all the school servers. He could've, you know, harassed people in the school community could have changed. His grades probably could have stolen life in the school district. Right? He knew it was right, but. It was some self restraint here that was. Shown and you know, this is a kid who just needs, you know, some some attention and some direction. And clearly he's interested in technology. And I think. If the school had engaged him that way, he, he would have responded really well. And I think the school district would be in a better place. I think the student would clearly be in a better place. I mean, here he's looking at, you know, facing criminal charges. He's been expelled. I have talked to him. He's taking online courses, you know right now at an online school, but that's not where they want to stay. But I mean, they expelled him in June and he and he has nowhere to be in the fall. So unbelievable, you know his his life trajectory has changed now and hopefully it's recoverable for him, but you could see it spinning out quite quite portly where he had had no disciplinary issues before. Right? I mean, this is a kid who just needed an outlet an outlet, right? And and attention from people who could help them and school district turned its back on them. In this case. My my view and it's, you know, it's, it's, it's unfortunate. It's why I wanted to write this this story up though. You know, at the same time I am sympathetic because not every situation is the same. Some kids really do cross a line once they get into your systems, and there is a point at which where schools need to take action to protect, you know, other kids and and at the adults in the system. I mean, there's a lot of sensitive data and things like that. This whole, but this this example doesn't strike me as one like that, right. So the article is when twelve year olds can breach school IT systems who's responsible on Ed surge should definitely go read it. It's incredibly interesting, and definitely there are way more questions to come. This is not an issue that's going away. It's an emerging issue and something that needs to be taken seriously, Doug, thanks for your time. This was this was awesome. Yeah, my pleasure. On education is an on podcast media production. My name is Mike Washburn. 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OnEducation Presents: Minecraft Education Legend Stephen Reid

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OnEducation Presents: Minecraft Education Legend Stephen Reid

"The presenting sponsor for on education as class craft we're excited to announce class new story mode which makes it easy for educators to harness the power of stories episodes one and two of season one are ready for you and your students play today and it's completely free to learn more about class craft and the new story mode simply visit fast craft dot com slash on education you know pioneering anything movements like us in education these revolutionary concepts the only work if there's thought through and deployed effectively and successfully and with meaning and relevancy welcome to another episode of on Education Presents on education is a member of the educational podcast network and we're so happy you've joined us in the world of games based learning and in the world of minecraft in education. He's a legend Steven Reid and his team at immersive vines build unbelievable worlds and embed them with incredible teaching and learning opportunities is a good friend and we're excited to have him with us on the podcast. Welcome Stephen and thanks for joining us. Thank you so much guys. Thanks Mike and Glenn All legend and so that much 'cause I know now I was I was I was trying to find a really strong word for it night legend Legend. I'm pretty happy so so before we get started. Why not give us a bit of an introduction. Tell us a little bit about yourself what you do and specifically about immersive mines so so. I'm I'm based in Scotland and for many many years like nineteen in fact I have actually this'll be my twentieth year so for two decades I have used technology to teach even before I was it really in education and what I see people talk about Games base landing evidence this Kinda thing that everyone's on board with an eye something's bring up Aparecida. I used to teach with command and conquer red layer on the original tomb raider and people are like you wall so I've been using for suffer like twenty years my head's been in this space and I'm really kind of made it my passion to find new and exciting ways of engaging children with with technology not just games. I am a Gamer. I've loved using Games but podcasting animation film making a three D. printing virtual reality. There's times went up just straps wraps digital cameras to crime schoolchildren's feet and then taken the and we've done. We've done hedgehog new. You continue to be hedgehogs because this the technology for the ultimate toy is what can we do this and you know that comes with its zone trials and tribulations goodness knows out broke enough cameras can award oops is never far from ellipse but I but it's been worth it. It's been an incredible journey is my passion is my life's. Passion is finding great ways new exciting ways of teaching what we've always told what we need to teach us face at mass and the sign in season and literacy these important things for our children to learn. I'm an are adults to enter deploy as adults but it's there has to be a you are a million new ways to do it and I'm making my mission to find so stephen. You've been such an inspiration with much of my work. with minecraft for I Spanish students ned so it had a question about what what you feel the differences between worlds that are pre built by an educator or as in in your company as far as immersive by its with embedded content already there versus just having students pick up for example game like Microsoft and start creating sure sure well. I'm very lucky I mean I've worked to the point. Now where I can travel as much as I do and you guys are probably familiar with just have much the job I work in sixty two countries over in any in sixty two countries in a year of our workers and so in in terms of watching the ability to see. I have a rich portfolio of users of of minecraft whether it's existing content or making in their own I have. I really have a unique insight into that. I'm very blessed in that way to be able to to do that and so I think the answer to your question is genuinely genuinely that is a huge Mitt to both and I'll start start with the first at which is which is the the pre made continued. Did you mentioned without sending to kind of negative or controversial minecraft education edition only succeed exceed pollinating movements like s in education these revolutionary concepts the only work if if they're if there's thought through and deployed effectively and successfully with meaning and relevancy Greek pedagogy she you'll dedicated curriculum and and high high quality and high impact content and content and content kind of the the the the the top of that because with content people especially tines time poor teachers are not going to pick They're not GONNA do it. You know whether it's Three D. printing orders virtual reality audits even learning to podcast is the teachers aren't GonNa do unless there's it's first of all successful but once it's accessible what content do I have to either engage with or land through myself or just deliver to my children and content is king and one of the weaknesses in the system that I've seen with minecraft as we've Kinda worked with over the last ten years is is is exactly that there is a there is a struggle to create and deliver content that really allows teachers to pick up and run with it and so what what we've tried to do and and where we see the biggest successes in our work and other people's work is well because there's some there's some wonderful stuff from from other educators bill. Komo cremate content minecraft what we've seen where we've seen the biggest immediate successes on the you know if if you look at S. from Microsoft perspective it's like driving usage and Logan's and sales of the product but if you look at it from a pedagogical end of educator perspective it's he's just effect as this in front of my children zone where we've seen the biggest successes for both of those metrics is is in the the meaningful relevant incre- built content and not come to the number of sort of there's a number of factors to making that so the first is children have to want to play in it. They see minecraft world's everyday. They see incredible things they go online. What's Youtube. Videos is the most amazing people with the most amazing skin high profile youtubers with incredible skins show in the wonderful worlds that the total often mode and themselves and so what we have to do in order to create an educational content stream that children want to access is it has to be something that the cotton go wow. I need to get into this world and do something with this so when we build an art studio for example which we just finished we literally built Claude Monet's art studio and we created his paintings one to seventeen thousand lives in scale made entirely flocks up-close now. They're just a complete mace but when you draw back from them they are fairly detailed. Massive passive scale intricate recreation of Claude Monet's paintings now trying to teach children. Claude Monet is not not the most exciting in the world. We you have children in fact we just worked with. Steve Isaacs Mine Fair this weekend in two sessions in the world. The children can get off of it. They were fascinated by these paintings and they wanted to know what often then why they were this style of painting Essen who did this and they had all these questions and it's because we made the content you know we made them content hungry to begin with then. Come the questions in you building the curriculum and then of course the pedagogy. I am never ever more army's I mean I've worked with some incredible tweets. minecraft worlds have abilty that just amazes me but I am never more amazed is when you get children olden creating for themselves and to give you an example of what I mean by that is we did up a project took a few years ago where we will see to create cruise the concept of Hydro Electric Power using minecraft and we were doing a bit renewable energies project and there was there was the kickback from the teachers the teacher the time said to me on a social studies teacher said. I can't believe you WANNA use minecraft. Uber Uber is work because as you take two days of my kids to do this you're GonNa have to make that work and so it was said and I appreciate an it was sitting on my heavier my shoulders for the weekend. I was planning it and we went and had to lead in the kid signs that guys we're GONNA. We're GONNA look at river technology. M GonNa Lukac rivers as energy and this is how we're going to do it and we're gonNA go online research. We're GONNA model. We're going to build one of Lego. We're going to explore the famous dams of the world. We're going to ask ourselves the the mathematics and the engineering behind them. What does it take to flood a valley told him a story about a volley in Scotland that was flooded and it had a village in it and they just moved everybody out with the village and they flooded his a common story and they flooded it turned into a reservoir a night when the water was over seven point only the church steeple six and you can go and take photographs of it was a judge people success Lake as credible and they were fascinated by this and the jumped on and of course the moment of force. What are they gonNA do and they built this landscape. The manually as class of two children they create the valley leading flooded the valley with water in the Chris all the problems with the accuracy of water fluids minecraft minecraft the sorry the solution for that the increase the dam at the end of the valley. They built a power station and then I thought they were done. I thought this is Zet create the damn the power station this and but they built a to center then one kid said to me what the fish and I said well if we the river's there's the fish can't get up them such a brilliant and we've been back online and we explore driven ecology and salmon and fish ladders the engineer the fish ladder and then beheaded it was amazing a name one kid said to me when it rains a Colin fills up so we could amount block that detects when the colds filled up than the power comes on on never seen anything like it and so in contrast to build in these wonderful worlds these kids is just literally created this entire engineering system because they know they notice this literacy for them. They know they know that. They're that the product just just tell them what you want. You want them to build so I think in both yet totally in it so you brought brought up so I had a chance to see this this Monet World you showed me and it and it just like my head basically exploded right off my body. It was just it's unbelievable and what I'm super curious about is a little bit of the process. How how do you even start like I love minecraft. I was literally playing minecraft earlier today. I play and build all the time I couldn't even begin in to know where to start building something like that so I'm not saying. Give us like the how to build Monet's art studio one one on one in one seventeenth scale or whatever it was but like how do you even start thinking about building something that amazing. Yeah Yeah Yeah what is to actually it's a great question because it's taken me a long long time to appreciate you know we can be very critical of ourselves as human beings in general and particularly as educators we it can be very critical of our own strengths and our own processes for things and so on but a long long time to be able to ourself in the mirror and say you are really creative now. People tell me that this is I really at this very humbly and I'm not vacated in this wave. People come people see to a senior secretive. Someone I talked to them about it. They go. I just pick up at guitar one of those things and is known as it's an art form but they don't see I think one of those surf issues with creatives and teachers and so I a but but the main concept of what you're asking is is who can have dreamed up to begin with and that's and that for me is really important par. There's a lot of people out there trying to worlds and they're not thinking big enough. Minecraft can do anything you wanted to do it can literally you can create anything not a colleague in the UK a wonderful octaves cold atom clock and he scanned a human body a prisoner who had pass away and they scanned his body and then they made it in minecraft and children can now go in and it's lying down on this day skin. There's knows this is in their head and you can go down its throat and on any sliced used a piece of software to slice it in the kingdom. Look all the different parts of the ball is incredible and minecraft can do anything you want it to do. So what I do is the process is I have a little sort of army of some of the most creative bill elders in the world but division has to come from somewhere so I spend quite a lot my time whether it's on a flight or on a y'all like sitting on your in Seattle taught not in this in it's a wonderful thing but or it might just be might just be sitting at the kitchen table and I sketch is the artist in me me and I sketch and I draw. I have sketchpads in sketch. Presents catch passes and then I take those schedules to my builders. I and I see this is what I want and I. It's all at deploy everything from your analytical drawing to color to perspective and I take it to them and I say this is what I want and you'll know this is the cat coach technically size of fly these candidacies in this art world's wanted whatever and then I sit down with them because I'm also one of the others on my team into to get it has to come from escape and actually another colleague of Mine Becky Keenan States. How did I have a laugh about something because she was sketched for me and you'll see this is what I want and she throws like a stick beer with like the tree and Becky was just like wow. I give you a stick bear and that's what you did. I read designed. I showed my guys and I drew the trees. I had the wonderful communist debaters is looked like he was crying because of the difficult history of America and the indigenous peoples specifically an and I can and redesigned that and after a tweet recently just finished recently which may not sound like a humble creek but it was it was an appreciation for my life in my job I three recently. I said I build dreams that children learn and I really do believe I really do believe that I built worlds that children want to play and learning. Am I remember Stephen a few months ago. You and Mike were together in Toronto and you're doing a session in he was life texting next thing during it with Steve Isaacs or st he was texting Steve Isaacs and he was explaining that you were giving being basically a masterclass on game based learning and you're talking about dozens of other games. Can you give us a bit of a tour of game based learning and what are some some of your favorite games absolutely yeah. I kind of realized after some time in my career I was picking up games in teaching in that vein rain and I'm talking fifteen years ago. Games base lending did not title and undivided wasn't Sadly I suppose I could say I was one of the pioneers I am but there were others with me you know the end with some amazing stuff going on in Scotland at the time and within the Constellation at which came along which was actually teachers could hire expertise. I am for free but they had to apply they could get like a classic of Xbox these and that was a space that existed at government runs base in Scotland existed in that way but we didn't call it deems based learning. It didn't have a name of as such an I am but I did come to a point in my career to Kenneth. CD The of me other people in this movement is going on and I was like we're we're the what is it cold and people site whispered. Learning through Games Games are games based landing and stuff and I got really excited about that and then I remember somebody asking me one day. What is it and I just you know an right. There was born the the probably the presentation that makes token of it because I also did it first time I ever did officially was it talked about officially was easy to in Budapest for Microsoft and I just remember sitting just talking to this guy about you know Monaco career at journey the the original tomb Raider Valiant Elliot Hearts blocking hoods or blockers so they besieged little big planet. I mean we just about eight years ago. Now we finished a project for the the at the oil industry using little big planet and it was helping children to understand how renewables as Saudi have fossil fuels are formed and how we moving away from them which I thought was very brave years ago of kind of the oil industry it was a key share to say look this is where they come from but they are finite and at some point have to move so I kinda jumped on that I'm used little big planet and it was amazing we built we had asked quakes and we had anti claims that we had oil. I'm we've worked out how to use little planet to Creole these visuals and we created as a story and the children played the character through these five levels went back in time they went into a time pool. They've learned about this the the heat the crusher and the moisture in need oil at three the three chemicals three scientific processes of accretion credence the fossil fuels and by the time we were finished they have produced this electricity which played their playstation back in the House that the started with in the beginning which they released related to the playstation. They were using right than in the clear. It's level so that was kind of like loop of learning the kiss for like three four hundred million years ago and now I'm using it to play my playstation so it's kind of like this really lovely and it just I just I to realize these gains for play and so I started to reach out and talk to people about an unsigned to meet my tribe if you like at some of my favorite games things like M. Civilization as David that set right for for years using age of policy not I would say I wouldn't. I said it all the time I wouldn't be a teacher if if it wasn't for civilization I straight teacher. Yep Absolutely so civilization age of empires at age of Empires. I used the map editor and and all the embellishments you know I say to the kids who are gonNA use three and what we're GonNa do is use the map editor you have all of the the assets that it gives to you and I want you to build for me a scene from the Oregon trail or we do age of empires to and I see okay as Joan of Arc Mark Sonata in there but I don't want you to play this scenario. I want you to research find out about our do all the stuff that we've been doing on this Joan of arc project you know for the last three three weeks and I want you to tell the story a age of empires and they go off of us all the characters in place trees in the Place Buildings Police rivers. They named the river of Cato because it's something that rain by it's just beautiful volley in hearts we use at even survival evolved. I spent quite a bit time when I'm able to Arc the dinosaur movie the Game Jesse Puck but an arc survival of old and and we use we used that really quite not just for teaching dinosaurs is probably the most obvious we had kids marvel at it because they could see a real as or the Toronto Soroush as Saudi audio triceratops or something but actually why use it for is looking at the food chain and bio-diversity replaced the children out on an island full of caregivers. Carnivores insights sakes fish to them. Let's figure out what this looks like once we're done. We come out of our survival than we say to them now. Let's take everything we've learned from that experience including our place in that G and let's apply to the Canadian rockies or let's apply it to the Australian outback are let's apply it to Central Africa and everything land in the land about the the antelope or the Orlando vote. The beavers Canada and how they're managing the rivers and the wolves in the and the message and they do all of that and come back they see this is what Canada looks like as a biodiversity at model and learned he learned they learned modeling doc survival of old and so it soon became a patent over the years assignment that we could just pick up announcing. You can pick up any game now. Every game is made equal. Necessarily not all games are made equal in every game could be used in the classroom but if you've got the mind say for it. There's a lot you can do with locking yeah yeah I was. I just remember I was sitting there going guys. He's like giving people a Games one one and I don't. I think they get it but I was like holy crap. This is amazing. It was pretty funders. Sit and watch you do it. I I'd like to spend a kind of our our last bit here. I'd like to spend a little time. Talking about one specific project that you've worked on that is pretty incredible. you recently include you recently completed work on a curriculum related to the refugee experience and the refugee crisis happening kind of around the World Greeson yes and these other places where these refugee crisis are occurring. Can you talk a bit first about why you decided to tackle hackel such a you know. This is a pretty complex complicated emotional issue but then maybe talk about you know the impact and even the reception of it in and just how how is it. How has it been received okay. That's a great question as actually this is probably the single most passionate piece of all my work is I love. I love teaching. I mean I'm not a mathematician. I'm not I'm not scientists kissed an English teacher. I love teaching those things and I love getting my can work with teachers to do all of that sort of stuff and I love that but my real passion as a human being and is sort of human being that I am in this of eighty sort of compassionate and socialists in empathic human being I am. I believe there's always more we could be doing for this world and for each other and for the planet and for the animals for the you know just just there so you know there's more we could be doing an and so that contribution is something I want to give and be I want to instill another in other people and so I started a project many years ago co teaching the tough stuff and it just Kinda trundles along and it does it stay in some people pick up a you know the refugee crisis happened to really pick up but I do things like using minecraft to teach religious and moral education celebration so we have minecraft while we are Muslim and Christian children work together to explore and build structures pictures and within their their minecraft worlds that that that teach and celebrate each other's religions I have a gender equality and equity world where children go in and we have the children build and do lessons listen things and we have we get jobs to do but I consistently pay the catalase and you'd like boys get five diamonds every fifteen minutes schedules. Get four and I wait reward at some point to go hang on a minute. That's not fair and I see yes. It isn't fair unless explore that and and the or the boys laugh the biggest farce ha ha. We're getting five and you'll get four and I see what will. Let's just stop they had an let's explore why that's why that's funny because it's no an and and we you know and it's tough stuff is stuff that people don't want to talk about it. We do use array of different games. Papua new effort example we use for looking exploding alcohol whole Awareness Papua new is a beautiful game told through the eyes of a child whose father is an alcoholic but he sees him as fun monster until he has a drink you can across puzzles and you have to start again and it's just this really huddling story of this boy's life we use things like life is strange to explore teenage each angst and teenage life and relationships and we use things like papers please for example to let children lukac border and `and. Immigration Hella Game Yeah and and the reasons people are coming in and the decisions that we make the difference between someone's light attention. Someone's life and death is a rubber stamp on board early. You know and it's just children so they're not takes me. Stay with me into the refugee crisis I two thousand fifty and I was watching the refugee crisis in Europe unfold and one of the statistics was there were almost a million people had tried to cross automated comedian integration two thousand fifteen coming towards the end of the year and five thousand. I think it was five thousand so three hundred people had died outnumber the exact figure but it was it was a significant number of people have died trying to cross so I was speaking about this at a school of that I was at and this kid said to his young kids said to me while a number of things the first one said that's brilliant statistic and I said Saudi any shit. That's amazing Mazin. I should have and he said kiss like a million people an only five thousand five hundred and I was like Whoa Whoa. WHOA does five thousand human beings that went into the sea and didn't come out and he just couldn't get his head ground up because it was a number there was nothing in that for him but numbers and that's the danger with you know you watch the news and they give you statistics. All you know there's eight eight million homeless people at the moment in this idiom people go eight million means nothing to them. It's a number let so I so I thought right. Let's let's let's talk about this in one of the other things that keep this kid said to me. Oh Yeah Refugees and immigrants they come in here on the cheek our jobs I said eleven. You don't have a job but that's what my dad says and I said right. Okay so what we're dealing with and you know I'm not I'm not here you take a child whether they're right or wrong or adult whether political views are right or wrong but let's talk about it and less explored it and so I was he'd in this sort of rhetoric hordic coming back from the kids if brilliant statistic or the Kiko our jobs I thought we have to we have to talk about this. So I made a minecraft narrative that allows children to themselves into the shoes of a refugee fleeing their homes but perspective I did it from was a western. I actually modal and I had the children in minecraft at their house. He's attacked. They were bombed out of their homes and they had to go there was this sort of sense of urgency and it's it's really excited at the time and the kids are all other amazing go upstairs find three objects and we made this chase where they had to take three of the objects that were because he didn't have tiny the money and there's a passport and stuff like that but you'd be amazed how many kids crab apple a fantastic and a book or something and I'm just like okay you know the has the narrative unfolds the realize what mistakes we have them survive a minefield and and here's the crux of it when children die in don't just respond the camp and the scientists respond and I know you want because those five thousand people in the Mediterranean didn't just respond Buchan steady at how they respond and we and I think there's a police in I'll use asking me about the reaction that we've had to this. We've had overwhelmingly in massively in fifty. Three countries demotes the over twelve thousand demos in in fifty three countries which is which is massive for a minecraft of that nature massive but but we also have the negatives. We've had people say. We don't want you to present the event. We're not talking about that. We've even had a threat to our office like a terrorist threat from white supremacy group and I mean this is I'm GonNa. Say this on your podcast. 'cause that's how I feel but it may just be political stunts but if you'd upset in these sorts of people you're doing your job. I think an yeah absolutely until the but but it's been remarkable and we've had children from refugee countries to Lonnie Watkins in Wales. I'm sure Guy. He ran the project where these kids and he had to study in refugees any school that had been outcast and bullied from the data derived. He said they just couldn't get a break with with the whales else case which is really sad to hear and he said by the time they finish this projects. They were on the rugby team. They were being taught English by their peers. They were being invitees after school. He said they just they just got it. The kids just got it you know and it was questions like one of the kids into the city in Kit. Come all this way on names like yeah. That's never like wow because they just didn't think they had made their way on foot and so it's just for me. This is what lies at the heart of all of my work is. How do we teach children to be better human beings while teaching the mass yes which is important in English which is our languages which is important in science which they're gonNA need in their careers. Let's teach them to be better. People not necessarily I certainly as well as you know and if minecraft can help us to do that in get lincroft every school for sure so steven if our audience members that that want to connect with you want to even have deeper conversations about all these topics hug me connected so I'm the plug although you did just invite me but my website is. WWW DOT in massive mines dot com and you can get me on twitter at immersive mind as sing sing and also at immersive mines Pluto. That's the company and and facebook is facebook dot com forward slash semesters mind love even read yeah man. Thanks so much for joining us. This was this was was amazing. Thanks for your time. Thank you both brilliantly. I really really appreciate you want to talk about my work. Thanks for listening to on education. My name is Glenn Irvine by My Co.. 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That Happened Fast... | Micah Shippee

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That Happened Fast... | Micah Shippee

"The presenting sponsor of Education is participate lately, teachers from all over have been working together to find new approaches to provide quality remote education participate sister company participate learning presents united. We teach a global gathering place for educators to share distance learning resources as we navigate these strange times for these resources and more visit participate dot com slash on education. Teachers will administer corona virus tests, add like the Internet exploded. Welcome to on education part of the on podcast media network. My name is Mike Washburn and I'm Glen Irvine Friends. We have an awesome pod for you today we will discuss the importance of transparency with educational influencers whether school reopening plans will fail and our guest. This week is innovative educator and CEO of Ready Learner Mica. Finally took a took a week off. We had a gas line up and it it didn't work out with scheduling. And that happens but it's the middle of the summer and it's nice to have a side to have a week off anyways some but it's funny. We were just talking off air. About you know trying to remember all of the things that happened. Crazy one sense trying to remember all the nonsense. That went on this week so that we can come back and tell you about all the nonsense. Give out his. Aren't target market is is hockey about the nonsense as. Just, going GONNA get crazier each week there's going to be more and more build up of things as as more school start reopening it's going to be. Is going to be a tat. So we're going to cover it week by week. I should say that we really do appreciate all of the all of the listens all of the downloads although the mentions we were just talking off air about how popular the podcast is especially over the summer in during our during covid you are you know sticking with us and sharing the episodes and we really love the you do that encourage you to go to apple podcasts or whatever drop a review there it always helps share episodes on twitter on social media That's super helpful as well. And you know we think we're we're working hard for stop and we have it's more than just. Glennon I. It's we have a team and we're all kind of working together and having great. We have this great twitter DM group where we have really good conversations where you know the ideas for the podcast framed for the week with with with the folks there and You know we just want to thank everybody for listening and sharing the space with us and being part of a community we. Do have some interesting ideas for the fall. We're we're going GONNA bring back on education live. Because that was actually pretty popular when it was on it was kind of we did a little bit of a test. There in the spring and I think that it's something we should definitely do as we come back. Our twitch show on on the participate which channel. So lots going on I. Don't know what you've been up to. Glen. I know you're getting ready to go back to school probably in a in a couple weeks if not now now. Now it's Still. So No, it's after Labor Day. So we're we're waiting. We just received the let's not push department of Education and the governor's a notice of what we're going to actually do and and it was interesting I mean it was a definitely not. A A. Declaration of what everybody's going to do. Instead, it was a unique to figure out what the numbers are within your specific county and the counties. Maybe there's multiple counties that your district resides in and use that information to start a conversation basically of where what level you should actually start off at whether it should be just completely virtual or whether you should be have a combination of different things. And I, I really love that. But it also puts a lot of pressure obviously on superintendents administrators at a local level. And as I've seen even in Minnesota, there's already There's a lot of politics Ben get involved with school boards a possibly overwriting the decisions that superintendents make Basically for the safety of kits. So that's going to be interesting to see how all of that plays out, and that's currently happening in one of our largest school districts in Saint Paul So. I love that the governor put it back out with all of the information and support. Basically they said we'll support every one of your decisions will make sure that everybody's going to be safe. You'RE GONNA. Do it this way you're going to reopen but WE'RE NOT GONNA force you to do x Y or Z because it doesn't make sense even within Minnesota. There's such A. Vast difference. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What the infection rates look like a lot of these Midwestern states are super complicated right because. Yeah. Because there's like minute and Minnesota actually might be the most complicated of all of them in that. There's a couple of like really large cities. Yes. Right and then a huge amount of rural. Like like it's Minnesota's pretty complicated because of the difference between you know. These rural spaces and you know Minneapolis which was also the epicenter or at least the beginning epicenter of the protests and things like that. Yes. George Floyd I mean. So so you have you know a lot of diversity in terms of the situations that are happening in different places. I can't imagine any like one size fits. All policy would work in a place like Minnesota frankly at all. Yeah and too many of these states governors have made those types of big decisions. And said, yes we're all reopening etc. Whatever might be we'll get to those articles in a little bit as far as what's happened already in certain certain states. and it just it doesn't make any sense if you're not using the data, that's number one currently available to. So within the last few weeks to then make those decisions locally or at least have those conversations don't basically under thing there's a grid where it says if you have this many infections per. Ten thousand IT'S A it's a factor there and then it it grades them and says, okay, you could fully reopened. You can do these things but we only we want you to know that this grid is just a starting point of a conversation. It's not. We're not telling you. You have to do this, but it's what's A good place to start the conversation. So Really It's crazy. My wife is already. Looking at me like going like, why are you attending all these meetings where you're all this stuff during the summer because I usually don't do a ton of works for the summer were already doing all of our planning a professional development. Workout. In, the summer because we know there's a lot of work to do no matter which plan we decided to implement this also and I know a lot of other. People are in the same category, lot of educators. Are. Three five, hundred Canadian active regular listeners would be a little pissed at me if I didn't mention. That the -Tario plan has also been released since we last spoke. and. I unlike what you just said Ontario did basically mandate. For the entire province. And you know I don't think Ontario is as. The disparity is in the strong. In Ontario as in Minnesota, but I definitely like parts of Northern Ontario that are very much. You know out there in terms of you know being being not heavily populated at all. But you know ninety percent of the population of Antero is within you know that you know on the shore of Lake Ontario. So that's where most of the people are in then an hour north, which is where we are So mandatory face masks for all students in grade four and up interesting any student. In grade three to one in kindergarten. Not, mandatory face. Max, interest out which is interesting. Yeah. What is your wife? Date they definitely go so so the the Ford government is definitely. I don't want to explicitly say they're throwing like the medical community under the bus, but they're definitely saying this isn't our plan. This is the medical advisers plan right because the medical devices you know are falling back on this whole. Kids can't spread it little kids don't spread it as much. We know that's not necessarily true and certainly articles in a lot of information has come out in the last week or so that kind of show that little kids are are super spreaders in fact in some cases. So so this whole and that's obviously scary for us personally because, yeah, my wife's a kindergarten teacher. Yes. and our son Jacob would have been scheduled to be in kindergarten this year so we have so any student is allowed to opt out. Of going to school in Person they can. She'll distance or apparent allowed to say we're going to keep our kids home saint plan here they will be they will be given an online teacher so it will not be necessarily their schoolteacher it may not even necessarily be attached to that teacher may not necessarily even be attached to the school that they would have went to went to it will be there will probably be pool of online teachers that then get assigned a certain amount of kids. And You, know. So you can opt out What else? So the biggest, the biggest thing though the scariest thing is and this, this goes back to a pretty strong fight that was happening during you know the strikes and all of that stuff back last year is that they are not the forgotten government is not reducing class size. So. you know even in the so they're basing a lot of their rules and guidelines. From the hospital for sick children, which is kind of the the major. Kids Hospital Institution Canada. It's based in Toronto. And you know they've said it. It's funny because in their plan and their guidelines, they say that that new any any back to school plan has to be accompanied by reduced class size of about fifteen kids. which seems reasonable. But they're not reducing the class size at all. So so the class size. Will. Be Potentially thirty kindergarten kids in the class. without masks. Do that seems insane I. Mean it saying in the United? States, especially. Slow you guys. Is Cases It on -Tario. Way less significantly lower than probably any states I would imagine in the United States I'm not sure. What the numbers are but But because of that, then I can see that that is actually happening. There's a mandatory law here in Minnesota that anybody. Indoors has to wear a mask. That includes schools. So that leaves all of our students who K. through twelve. So. That's going to be an interesting component because we're I mean. You know that that were having our kids have to do that interesting enough to that third third grade below you're saying yeah. Are, authorized. HAS LESS ACTIVE CASES OF COVID? than. An Florida had deaths yesterday. Okay. So very few. So you're kind of like like a North Dakota type, of north. Dakota South Dakota North Dakota for sure by much south. Have Very, very few cases you know because it very rural state not very big population. You have huge population, very little cases. So much of the Cova vid right now in Ontario is concentrated in two or three places Toronto like the core, the downtown core of Toronto which makes sense the most populated space. Windsor. Which is by Detroit. And Ottawa I believe now the one in Windsor is the most explainable they get a lot of migrant workers. And there was an outbreak amongst migrant workers in in in the Windsor area that come up every summer to harvest and stuff like that and then, and then they go back home and there was a lot of there's a big outbreak in Windsor area related to that. I'll tell you in Simcoe county, which is where I live an hour north of bury. There are maybe one or two cases reported a day if that. there are many days where there are none. And and so. It's So. Cheryl works in Peel District School Board, which is kind of a little bit further north of Toronto by still pretty heavily populated appeal is anyways, but she lives even north in the northern part of that school district which is giant peel scoreboard. Board is the second biggest school board in in candidates. Huge. and. So. You know we're working through a lot of things in our head about you know there's complexity related to Jacob going back to school. There's complexity related to Isaac going back to school Isaac didn't do necessarily super well with the distance learning in maintaining a release strong schedule and like that self discipline that I think some kids need especially when their parents can't be like on them constantly like Cheryl was teaching I was teaching I was working. You know we were busy is held to be honest. And it was tough. It was really hard to make sure that I was constantly doing his work. Even though the amount of work was pretty minimal. And then obviously, we also have to to talk about you know how Cheryl is GonNa do and I'll tell you I mean. I can't say enough about. And how hard she worked during Cova to be a really good teacher. And to learn. You know how to do a whole bunch of things and then to be honest she spent a lot of her time teaching other teachers in our school in her school. How do? How to do this stuff and do it well, and so I I have a ton of confidence at Cheryl is going to figure out how to manage this. But. It doesn't mean that we're not scared. Yeah. I was just exposure is are the adults going to be wearing masks? I believe that all teachers have to wear masks. Okay. That's an all the time. Okay. That makes sense. There are tons of questions, tons of questions not a lot of answers not a lot of answers related to things like occasional teachers like supply teachers. What do you call them substitute teachers, Yep and not a lot of answers related to things like librarians. And administrators who like. So if I if class gets an outbreak know what happens with the other teachers classes seeing that aren't part of like that specific class. So it's like the administrators that go from class to class or the the the the what we call them the planning time teachers, teachers that teach well, the teacher their regular classroom teacher has filed the braves, the art teachers teachers. Yeah. For sure that sees like a bunch of classes. So there's not a lot of they're exposed to all those teachers that are. You know the extra would've called. The other things that aren't taught in the regular classroom so music and art. and everything else that may be offered at schools where they see like you at. I was trying to think of you as you probably had a similar cut of rotating schedule. You had hundreds and hundreds of kids that you saw a daily basis or exposure for one hundred. Yeah. Yeah. Expose over four hundred dollars in a week. I would exactly where you're circulating that kind of thing like those are the people. My God they're. They basically see everybody you know or a huge section of the students at a school. So we're GONNA, WanNa talk to some of our librarian friends when when September rolls around, we'll get Jennifer. Kesse todd back on the podcasts maybe actually someone we haven't talked to you before Jen Jen Giffen is a is a librarian teacher librarian in your school, which is is a new market, which is a fairly populated space just south of me between Toronto in me. and. She hasn't been on the POD but she be great to talk to as well for sure about about that experience of seeing a whole bunch of kids during this time. It'd be interesting. So you know we were saying we were off for a couple of weeks, and that gives us a lot of time to pile up all of the twitter nonsense that we that we see and and there is a. Maybe not nonsense but definitely hot topics There's always there's always something to talk about on twitter and I'll tell you this the to the two that came across the strongest this week. You know what? What the Hell is this doing. Let's talk about a hundred and fifteen dollars us. For the honor. For the honor of hopping on a zoom call. So a presenter that's going to present that got that. Had A. Presentation obviously accepted is the nicotine. I have one to Stephen I Stephen. To present presented. Yeah. Yeah. So you have these these presentations year bid accepted you had to if anyone's never gone through the process of actually putting together a proposal for Esti just understand it's very onerous. It's rigorous. A lot of people just give up an like me. Given. Up many times several months where I was like, what am I? Why am I doing this? Anyway it's very thorough. Let's call it that and then not very many people are accepted. So you get accepted and then we just saw this post. At it was by a jake. Right. Miller and several other people have posted this exact same thing where if you if you register early as a presenter You you can get it for. In, dollars. So that, you can present. Your content to this audience virtually, you're not even in Anaheim or any of these other wonderful places you are presenting your basement like we are now and you get the first pay up one hundred, fifteen dollars just for the honor. It just seems sick is This. Day. I'm not paying one hundred and fifteen dollars just to keep doing it. And I'll tell you I have I have a lot of ways to get an audience these days I don't need I don't need exposure. Or whatever the heck you know you can use to justify presenting it St. I don't need that anymore either necessarily You know so. Yeah. Ridiculous always thought they'd charging presenters to come to conferences was ridiculous. To begin with I hate that. Yes. And so the idea of charging presenters to charging them to go on a zoom call for them, pay us to work for us. Is, it doesn't make any seon stupid. Stupid. Yes. So it is the height of ignorance. that. You know. I'll tell ya it the cognitive dissonance of sec talking about supporting teachers and then, and then doing something like this is just it makes my head explode. Sense. If I. Tell You I'll tell ya I if I am doing this. So I've already communicated to the people that I need to communicate to that. I am not paying one hundred and fifteen dollars of my own pocket. To do this you know if if if you want me to to do this, you know. Feel free to pay you did and I'm happy to because I was doing a session on behalf of someone. And so they can pay. But I don't need the joy. It's a joy and honor. It's a it's work and it's It's hard work in a lot of cases. And I I can find ways to reach the people that I wanNA reach with that similar message and frankly I am. reaching the educators did I think I wanNA reach with the similar message. I would just thinking about that with the platform that even just twitter provides and many people just sharing all of their resources putting together on youtube videos, etc. You know much switch every every day at nine am friends on twitter. Much, less someone like you where you actually have a platform to be able to do that. But I'm just thinking about some of these. People that present at many conferences how could you say or even just if you if this was your first and you got your presentation accepted, that's a huge freaking deals. WanNa present. I get it but to pay a hundred, fifty, two have to charge someone to do that. I just seem so wrong I I don't get it and I don't I understand that at big conferences like there's one of the things that they have to do is justify the venue all of the extra costs, all of this kind of stuff expensive but on this in a virtual setting. I I. Don't know how you can justify those expenses. I'm sorry there's there's ways to do this and we know of many many ways as we've you know you specifically know of many ways to be able to host conferences with large numbers of people and be able to pay for premium accounts. Let's zoom or whatever might be and. It's not that much money not not to be charging than your presenters too. So that's why I said it just doesn't make any sense financially whatever might be an especially doesn't make sense in this time period what we're going through right now you still want to have the conference. Great. Make It free for the presenters minimum at super cheap for anybody attending I mean the prices were still there for if you want to attend people if you're a member of the Hundred and forty five dollars it's like. What? I. I, I don't get it. I gotta be paid one, hundred, forty, five dollars. A member issues I would actually be pay one, hundred and fifty five. If I payback Tober I know. Thanks. I. It's not worth it to be there so much value right now of so many valuable things that are happening out there that are free. For example, you're Y- daily. PD sessions that you guys are doing on which for free, it's not like someone has to pay to do that to go attend. You're learning tons from super professional educators that are doing stuff right now, highly innovative things in their classroom. and. You could ask them questions anytime. You know it's like you want to talk Steve Isaacs about what he good jump on there. You WanNa talk about all kinds of. Ideas you're running through your head. You know. I nine understand that man twitch dot TV slash inside participate. We will not charge you one hundred and fifteen dollars. So that was different. That was one of the things and the money is clearly a money theme. Yes. It's money because the next one. Was Super Frustrating. When you wrote a a actual post, the butter I was doing DM's because I was just ranting. In the DM chat. But basically. What I can't currently stand right now. And you actually put it in eloquent words as far as A. Putting it out there as far as a tweet. Is People that are considered educational influencers. So people that have thousands and thousands and thousands of followers some of them are friends. Yeah. To suddenly. Like make some kind of declarations about a specific company product whatever might be. But net don't ever say that yes you are getting paid to do that. So. Several Times. Now, this started this started happening awhile back you know who I'm talking about that about four six weeks ago I showed you a post by somebody who said something to the effect of Google slides are so passe. Now, I'm moving onto Microsoft powerpoint, Blah Blah Blah, and I'm like that's so gross it's like you. True there's a there's a discussion to be had whether or not slides. POWERPOINT, which one is best for what settings for our students for teaching etcetera. There's a great discussion to be had, but suddenly post that and have always been this kind of google guru person and presenting, and Blah Blah Blah all the sudden you just make a switch but you didn't say y You did that and I. It was it was obvious to some of us are the instant where we're like oh Something must be happening. Some money must exchanging hands. Some opportunities must be presenting themselves, which is great fantastic for you. But state that I've decided to join Microsoft's team because they're innovated they're fantastic talk about the reasons why sure don't have a problem with the sponsorship how? That's what we do. Hey, friend. Go to participate dot com and then right away go guardian please please do that. Thank you. But we're out front with. We say these are these are the things that people that are supporting and sponsoring financially the policies it self. And just to put it out there to Mike just. So people know and I know we've said this probably another episodes back in the past but people that are joining us our sponsorships everybody go directly into. The production of this podcast so whether these microphones trip for it'd be the. US being able to go to the ISS the that super expensive to go to. and be able to attend so that we can get those interviews to get that content to you so that you are there in a way in through us, you're able to experience it through the interviews that we have, and that's always been our mission. We were first talking we're like if we can get a sponge should we can buy the computer we started with a computer we needed we needed something to be able to handle this process. Of We were going to start and then some. had. A super super cheap microphone start off with I don't know if they. Yeah Yeah and I had my blue Yeti that would just mine for a long time and we just like little piece by piece. We bought little pieces of different things, and then we had some some more money and we're like, okay, let's buy this piece of equipment that we can take on the road. Let's by these headsets by this Mike Phone. Let's do these things just to make it sound better and to make it more professional and also then to be able to. Take us to those places that we would have never been able to go to otherwise which we thank our sponsors for that. But we're up front with all that stuff sponsorship page on our website you go on education dot com, slash its sponsorships. You can not only see our current sponsors, but you can see our past sponsors as well. There's we have no like end my tweet like, yeah no secrets like and I I actually wrote a follow up kind of post on facebook. That said that not only because I firmly believe that you can say all the nonsense in the world that you want follow things up with action. We've been talking about this a lot. We talked about this related to George Floyd, we made a statement on the podcast on the website you can go read that too but it actually had things that we were going to do about it and so. On with this, I did the exact same thing I said not only am I like putting my money where my mouth is in telling you everything that I've ever done for money generally speaking in education as a as a quote unquote influence or whatever the hell you want to call us. But I also in my about me page on my personal website I wrote basically a disclaimer at the bottom that explains you know who I've worked for. Like that I worked for I'VE WORKED FOR EPIC Games. They paid me money to to do some stuff for fortnight. On education sponsors are participate in goes guardian. I worked I worked for participate and I used to work for logics. Academy get paid to do the Logics Academy podcast. I mean. That's it friends. and. If anyone. Listen you don't if you're listening and you get paid by Ed Tech Company and you don't have the balls to basically straight up, you know just say to your relationships are yeah, then. I mean first off, you're breaking the law because there are laws related to this and second I mean. Take a look around for your integrity a little bit please. because. It's funny. I could go on about this and on and on, but I will one. There's there's a really good story here. I used to travel with logics and do professional development all over Canada. And and. Constantly constantly got asked how much things cost. and. I had no clue how much things cost I intentionally did not look at priceless Ramey my boss AC-, logics hated it because I couldn't tell anyone how much a dash cost I don't know how much the Damn robot costs I'm sorry but here's the way. I. Frame It, and this is the truth. This is this is the reason why there was a it was intentional. It was because when I'm telling an educator when I'm giving educator advice and I'm telling them about a product that I think that they should use I didn't want them to think that I was trying to sell them that product. So I didn't know how much things cost I was like you're going to have to talk to Keith Keith us the Sales Guy, you go talk to Keith Talia, the dash costs I'm telling you the dash might be the solution to your problem that you have related educational robotics. I'm not trying to sell you it. I'm telling you as an educator that's used this in the classroom I think that's what integrity looks like I think that that's I was trying to be the educator adviser in the room, not a sales person and I think that there's a huge difference. I think you can be both I think you can like we do again please go to participate dot com. I mean, we can do that right but just don't. Don't lie about it. Yeah. Just be honest. Be Real about it. I. Mean I mean I assume if you're partnering with the company, you believe in what they do and how they do it and why they do it. And I'm cool with that I. Mean I. I like a lot of Microsoft products. I think teams as garbage, but I. Like I. Like. A lot of other. I like obviously obviously minecraft is yeah. We Microsoft is the single best tool for teaching and learning that exists I also say that. So I'm saying teams has garbage minecraft is amazing but you know what? At least I'm I'm honest about. Where things come from and where they're going and we are here on the podcast to and all we're asking is that everyone who's listening does the same? Absolutely. Perfect transition to whether or not these. These segue. Yes. Say. Whether or not? Pushing to open the schools which already has happened by the way. Is is guaranteed to fail as it says in the Atlantic, the article that was written I think yesterday was re written August seconds and just a few days ago in Georgia where they had to open ups, they opened up some schools in they immediately shut those same schools down. Mike where. There it's. Long Yeah and it's is it not a surprise that happened now probably not came. But I think it is surprising. Some people I believe I. Think it's finally waking up some people you know as far as is especially. People who. Were maybe not believing in everything or maybe just didn't really say saying you're saying those words really nicely, these these things might be just going away whatever might be and. What I what I am envisioning though as this article basically states is that. How bad can this really get as far as this opening and closing of all of these schools that are going to happen because some big states like Florida I believe. Has has stated that they will open face the face Add some other states have have declared that also. and. What's going to happen basically in these next few weeks, and that's why I was talking to buy at the top of the show is saying I think that each week we're going to hear more and more. Devastating Stories as people open up and I, think we're hopefully being able to go ahead and learn from those things as our dates for opening his after. Labor. Day that got labored they so far out for us this year. I think it's we don't even start back till September eighth or ninth or something like that. Yeah and so because of that I think that's that is actually a good thing as we start seeing kind of all of these other people experiment unfortunately with their children and then go maybe this wasn't that good of an idea that's. And I don't want to be a pessimist about it's because I know a lot of people are putting different safeguards in there. We talked about masks there's all these different types of protocols that some states are are taking. But I don't know if it's going to be enough when you have that many. People in one place. It's the thing that we that has been said since the beginning it is the the virus spreaders. The way that this actually can go ahead and be a push for one person to another in big groups and and. It basically, you know how bad can it actually get where I think we're gonNA find out in the next few months and that's crazy and I think each week we're going to be reporting kind of like what's the next articles we have a list are honestly everybody we have a list of articles already. In the first few days of people opening their schools in are ready we have all of these. Crazy. Sad stories of of governors basically saying, no, you will open schools and then the superintendents. Having the try to do their best as far as to keep everyone safe. If we all know that that may not be possible in with. The. Constraints that we have the space constraints, they all the APPS and things that not enough p etc. so there are there are. Just just just like the solutions and how different they are from each other There are places that will probably be just fine. Yes. Where it will be complicated, it will be exhausting. It'll be frustrating. But you'll get by it'll. It'll be fine. It'll be what it is. It'll be the hardest teaching year of your life. It'll be a great story to tell ten years from now. Maybe I don't know about resilience and and you know the fact that teachers have to endure so much stuff and become nurse that year that you had to become nurses well in addition to all the other jobs that you did. You know by with biohazard equipment to right if you think about the equipment that we're going to be wearing to protect ourselves basically, we're protecting ourselves for biohazard. It's like, wow, that's a new level of. Teaching commitment. Administering I mean. In an Ontario, the the public health official, the head public health official in. Ontario. Said super casually like like off the freaking cuff and it's like, did you just say what I think you said she said teachers will administer. Corona virus tests and like the Internet exploded. Like did you just say that teachers are going to give students corona virus tests like how many lawsuits do you want? Seriously it was just the craziest thing wide ever. Heard. Just totally like it was off the cuff and it was like she walked that one back a little bit because, hey, newsflash teachers aren't nurses bell. We're not law enforcement either people you know, I just think it all the things that people have decided that we could do we could carry guns to go ahead and protect their schools we can give a test. Biomedical tests imagine that you're like the training that are all amazing nurses and doctors and medical professionals around the world and how. How? Much medical training. You have to have to do that correctly and to make sure that you're safe as well as your patients and saying that some teachers are going to be able to. God isn't that something? Yeah. So so there are there places that will do this just fine. There are places that will be absolute nightmares and again I said it last week going to say this week there will be students and teachers who will die. And that's going to be horrible I mean and. Say we don't want to be pessimists about are being like we're not being I don't think we're really dramatic at all realist. Yeah I mean this is it's real and it's here at each week we're going to report what what the next you know. The I listen. For instance, if you're listening to ask for rainbows and Sunshine I, don't know where they got that idea from I. Mean we're going to have to have a rainbows and sunshine segment Mike because it's going to be you know how that local or the news segments I don't know. They did the same thing in. Canada. They give you a thirty minute newscast to give you twenty nine and a half minutes of devastating. Horrible. Votes for thirty seconds in the last thirty seconds is nice beautiful stories of someone that did something beautiful and ability for other people on amazing lifting up story. You don't go and go. Or? Someone on our team to find. Positively story yeah. We need a positive story at the end of each. At the end of this segment each. Start delivering. What doesn't look good I mean. It's GONNA be. It's GonNa be this whole year. It's not going to be you know we're we're GONNA be talking about this through basically next through this entire school year twenty, twenty year will bring you stories of how teachers have kicked, ass? Yes. Workers through this. I promise you that because that's the one thing that we know is going to happen in some of these places. We'll be telling you those stories because of those of the stories that deserve to get told as much as all of these hard things that were saying are and talking about you know we still have tons Akon friends we have tons of conversations to have about you know race and diversity inequity in this country I in in this continent. you know those aren't going away. And you know we made promises to talk more about those things and you know those conversations are are coming in are still happening You know. So just because we're talking about the corona virus this week doesn't mean we're not still making plans to keep those conversations happening to but we will make a point also to tell you about the teachers that are overcoming. Yes. these incredible hurdles and obstacles just you know put in you know crazy situations just so they can teach kids Because I think you deserve that for sure story as well. So let's Let's I'm not GonNa say let's stay positive. Let's stay real. It's just keep having those conversations There are a ton of articles they're all relatively about the same thing about how scary it is to to to you know everything that's happening stories from all over the place. We'll put a bunch of those in the show notes for you to read because they are they are pretty interesting We had a really great talk with our next guest. He's the CEO of Ready Learner one Mike shippy stay tuned. Welcome back to the podcast everyone our guest. This week is an author and educator. He's the CEO of ready, Learner one, and if you're looking to talk to someone about what's next in education, he'd probably be one of your guys. On Education. Mike. Thanks guys, thanks for having me I. Love Your podcast and I'm really excited for our conversation tonight. Thanks Fan. Awesome my for anyone who doesn't know who you are and kind of your your work. Why don't you just introduce yourself to the audience and kind of give us a bit of the Michael One. Oh, one what legit to us today sure. How much time do I have? A THIRTY SECONDS THIRTY SECONDS I've been teaching grade eight social studies. Middle School teacher for twenty, years just finish number twenty. Left my students on March sixteenth for quarantine. We all recall of course are talking about countries banding together on the Home Front for World War Two, we drew some comparisons about factories in the united. States in the present day world banding together to support. The hospitals, the respirators masks, and then I concluded my year speaking with by students. So again, remotely about the civil rights move there. So this has been a Remember, memorial of a year I mean I don't know. I don't know I think this one's going to go down in the book for my kids tonight. So that's been a challenge of course. I have. Back, coach soccer for a million years. So I was pretty excited to see Glenn's about Me Page with Manchester United Jersey on so. We are. We are the best of friends coach. Coach soccer for many years. I have a PhD in instructional design, development, and evaluation. A very patient wife and three beautiful kids a dog and a cat. Love what I do, and do you know the latest is ready learner? Juan Love Learner One and This company of like minded folks coming together to learn how to serve others in the training and learning space through the most emergent tools that are can be meaningfully employed by both corporate and institutions looking to bridge gaps that we weren't ready for. So, let's talk about ready Learner one for a quick second tell us what brings you from being a social studies teacher. To wanting to start a company that is related I mean we're we're actually a little bit similar in that I, have a history major as well and you know and like social studies nerd and use minecraft to teach social studies. Right. But I mean I'd love to hear your story about your path where you go from being a social studies teacher to talking about emerging technologies. In the corporate world as well. Not just in education what? What brought those two pieces together and take a deep dive into a little bit of the work that you've been doing with ready learner one so Yeah. That's really good. I know about your history degree. Cool. It's it's all about the power of story. So as a kid, my grandparents would tell me historical anecdotes related to my family and our community and those stories resonated and I learned the power of the story through them. Guy. gained. A love for history studied history did a study abroad in London and really got roped into the power of story and. How I could deliver story. As a young teacher, my Go-to was me delivering a story? which I still think storytelling very powerful for an educator don't get me wrong. But what I came to learn is that it was important for my students to have experiential knowledge that would lead to their story. So I started to dive into things like Oregon trail. The old nineteen eighty-four. Game putting my students on and watching them get excited about it. and. The game play in the classroom simulation in the classroom and how my role as a storyteller kinda shifted to role as a guide and where we would make meaning about these experiences together, and of course, to do that in the classroom I had to stretch boundaries. You know schools have safety procedures and protocols and clay in place that prevent access to certain tools and devices. The can't always support him I. Have Mixed feelings on that I'm a bit of a romantic where I just want the kids to have the toys to play with because they're not toys they're learning tool we're learning tools, right? So. My efforts to provide more access in my classroom led to an interest in a field of study called instructional technology. Started down the road of Educational Administration and at the time. I was young and it wasn't for me. Honestly. So I shifted my course of study in my postgraduate work to again instructional design. So an instructional designer can be described as someone who. Is Not a subject matter expert they go to a subject matter expert and they talk to the subject matter expert about content they go to the learner and they talked to the learner about what they need and the instructional designer bridges that gap. So I had found myself doing that in my classroom I found myself. Excited to help my colleagues do that when the opportunity came up. And Speed Ford and time. After my my graduate study I moved onto my PhD study, and there I was working with a non for profit that wanted to deliver mobile learning content to people in east. Africa who did not have electricity. So they're off the electrical grid there charging their phones with solar power they can go about a mile to receive cellular access to download content, and then take that back to their home and so that way of providing excess of of content to people through emerging technology just plain snowballed started with kids in my classroom and just went down through again. From pretty nerdy research I got myself into. It it's. It's funny that it's funny that you that you brought you brought up something I was GonNa actually ask you about anyway. So I always love when people do that. About you know and I had this struggle a little bit to teaching. And wanting to do like. Crazy stuff in your classroom lake really pushing the boundaries of what most administrators will. We'll let you get away with I mean. You know our talk a lot in a lot of the things in a lot of places I speak about innovation and not being afraid to innovate and stuff like that. But you know schools in administrations and districts are notorious for putting guardrails on educators. You know don't go too far. Don't do too much Y-. You never know you know where your limitations are until you're psyched up about something and then you can't do it because they just say they put the Kibosh on it or whatever talk a little bit about walking that fine line featuring. How you were able to do really innovative things in your class Well, also, you know being allowed to do really innovative things in your class. Yeah. I've I've been blessed to have administrators that. Have have given me a little bit of space. Not, Carp Lodge but a little bit of space. I'm a firm believer that when we move forward to adopt change in Classic Change Management Strategies everything starts with relationships. The relationships that we have with each other at the trust that comes from the relationships everything from interdisciplinary teaching strategies with colleagues to try new stuff out classroom starts with people trusting that you have the children's or your learners best interest in mind, and once you once you have that trust, you show a taste for what you WanNa do and then you head down the path where you end up. Having a Land Party with your kids in twenty Max connected on civilization for colonization. Ended up being pretty cool. But it started from a place of trust in a reputation for if it doesn't work, I'm going to try something new if it doesn't work, don't worry and still gonNA take care of the objectives and important learning all kinds of students. So Mike has covid change and I mean, it's it's an obvious answer but maybe you can expand upon it has cova changed anything in terms of your work We're thinking that there's a huge interest in virtual learning environments both in education you oversee serve also to corporate world at what has changed since obvious march for you. Well, I. You know I think there's a some interesting. ARTICLES COMING OUT I wouldn't call it research. Articles talking about how people can be incredibly productive at home how there's going to be a mass exodus from major cities like New York City in San Francisco to the countryside because people can learn from home. I saw one today from the Wall Street Journal. Said everybody's rethinking that maybe it's not as productive. But you know what? From a from an educator side working with my grade eight students. Now what I found is that, yes, they need that face to face time but I also found they were able to do things on their own that when in the room with me I was too much of a crutch. So if they got stuck, they would raise your hand. Ask them help. Home, they're not asking for that help and they are producers of some really high quality content. So the this an interesting shift about letting go a little bit and letting the students troubleshoot themselves some balanced by guiding them when it gets really sticky for. Its that's dancing mica that I was just thinking about when I. Probably you experienced this twelve thirteen fourteen years ago when the flip classroom was all the rage and many of us flipped our videos and we did different things we we were excited about it but then we weren't getting the same kind of results. Because we were still there it felt like I was still there they were like, why am I going to go to the video or or or start trying to think through myself the what have you? You know you need to be teaching me and then it was this kind of controversial felt very controversial. With the students and parents, you don't have to talk I I've been really really reflecting on the flipped classroom model a lot. You know if you asked me about it five years ago had a real bad taste in my mouth because all I had honestly scene was more work for kids period. I had seen kids get out of school, go home, and then do double the amount of work. That's what I had seen. It doesn't mean that's what the flipped classroom is meant to be. It's just what I had seen but now like my school currently in September, we'll back were supposed to be in a hybrid model where my students will be with me one day half of our students. Then we'll be home and the other half will be with me and we'll be home. So now if you take that strategy of the flip classroom for when they're at home that makes sense to me, but it doesn't make sense to me as kids working overtime. Yes especially right now, right I mean. It's so it's hard enough as it is. You know and and with parents trying to juggle you know working from home or you know having their kids at home or not at home and some days they are in some days they aren't in some cases and then. In other places, you know the uncertainty of whether you know the schools are going to have to shutdown these kind of like. I think these hybrid learning models, W-, virtual worlds and virtual spaces are going to really take off I. Think I. You're actually you know it's funny and made me thought we were in a meeting together a couple of weeks ago and you told me about a space and I can't remember the name of it. But I'm hoping you remember what we were talking but I'm meeting space that happened in in Vr that you could have actual meetings with whiteboard and stuff and I think stuff like that. It's like mind blowing and I love to. What was that that we were talking about? What could have been one of two things I know you and Steve Isaacs we're looking at Mozilla hubs I think together right on twitter. Love, Mozilla Hobbs by their latest update by the way. is for location based sound. So as your avatar moves away, the volume goes down. which is really good I tried it out with my students and you know they would spread out this huge crater and look at some different activities I had set up and when they would talk would all be the same level? So it wasn't very good but that updates big while you're probably thinking of is spatial. Spatial I O, which they offered for free during. Part of the Cova Quarantine I'm not sure if it still is allows users to enter through a laptop to enter through VR headset or to enter through. Augmented reality using a tool like Hololens, and in that case, they're all present in the same space, which is all virtual. It's a, it's a fantastic tool. The concept is amazing the the issue we have education is you know we have student privacy and data privacy protocols, employees you that that are really important for keeping our students safe and protecting their data. But. They're not always a priority. So you know talking with spatial, they're they're very interested in higher in corporate but k twelve is not not really high up on the priorities right now. Then you look at something like Mozilla hubs and you can enter anonymously through a web link. You can add a name if you want to. There's no data being collected. So. As one of them. Perfect. Absolutely not. But the fact that those places exist and I can bring in three dimensional assets in students can explore in Whiteboard in conversation with a better sense of presence than zoom meeting. Is I think there's some power there. So speaking of Steve Isaacs, who actually has a little poster on his wall for the Times that he gets mentioned in on education. So Steve You can check your name on your little little checklist. For every time your name gets dropped on the. PODCAST. We should talk a bit about e sports. I think all three of us here agree that eastwards is part of the future. And not just the future of entertainment it's it's already there in terms of of entertainment but also I think how we teach and learn and as someone who thinks a lot about the future of education and technology what do you think the future holds for teaching and learning with these sports? My colleague saw Christine Lion Bailey at ready alert her one as well. Steve. Isaacs. He can make another hash mark and crazy less. They are co authoring a book about e sports and there's a lot of power on that. One of the things that Christine was telling me was that East sports really is the athletics of quarantine is the athletics of covid nineteen and I really liked that and I had done some some as talks about education and and trying to help people think ahead about where we're going education and you know one of the things that really stuck out to me is how being a member of teen. Is should be part of the educational experience years ago I ran a ski school I used to teach downhill skiing, and then I actually ran a ski school. My employees were high school and college students and I'll tell you flat out the best employees were athletes and a team sport. So now, looking at team sport play through e sports were now opening access to more students who can't make the football team, the soccer team, but they have a skill set. That's very valuable in the East sports arena, and they have the opportunity to work together to learn CRA-, collaboration critical thinking creativity with each other in the moment and such a heightened moment that East sports brings out. So I think e sports is a unnecessary next step in the the evolution of the educational experience of our students because you know education education is about preparing students for their future and their future not might not my past you know my my of sitting in rows and preparing for Post Industrial Revolution We're past post industrial revolution. One author calls it the Fourth Industrial Revolution, a whole new phase and that whole new phase it's GonNa take collaboration and in the case of the pandemic and being distance. I mean, we've been saying for years that the the future of work is going to be Gig bast. We've been saying for years it's going to be remote while now we're all force actually worked. This way were forced into this environment in into change which we didn't really want you know it's it's disruption and not all disruption is desirable. Most of the time we don't want it but now it's forced upon us and we have to reflect in a manner that can positively inform future stops for education. It's funny that we actually we use the term. For Century learning and and all of that stuff all the time I'll tell you es sports is one of the only true in my mind like twenty first century learning opportunities where it's it is absolutely like the future like it's not here yet. But we're starting to build on it and and it's emerging as we speak. And we still haven't figured it all out yet. I mean we have our top people on it and and sure we're we're super happy. That book is coming out. I was you know I got asked to to contribute to it and and I'm psyched about that too So you know like I said, our top people are working on it and and I think it's I think it's absolutely going to be a pretty amazing. Amazing thing. MICA IF people want to learn more about you learn more about ready learner one learn more about all the amazing things you guys are doing and how to connect with you. How did they go and do that? So our website is ready learner dot one When you go to regular doubt one, you'll see our to company channels. You'll see a link for k twelve and Higher Ed. You know see a link for the corporate spaces. So in both of those worlds are our languages adjusted to meet the target audience We're providing schools with professional development through face to face in remote opportunities. We you know we provide the host, the gamut of professional develop opportunities for schools. Now, we've been working with the Madison Institute Together, we launched the changed maker Conference in July which we had two thousand registrants from over thirty different countries around the world. So it's a really cool opportunity to that we're provided. We're finding a new opportunity to serve our. Educators colleagues as well as to open up some really great skills from the education world and provide them for corporate space. So it's ready learn that one and you can email me at Mica at ready Learner dot one or Mike chippy on twitter Mike. You should be thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for having me guys. This is great. Thanks for listening to on education. My name is Glenn Arvin. My Co host is Mike Washburn on education is part of the on podcast media network. You can listen to this show and many others by great educators like Monica Burns Mike Mattera Tissue Richmond and many more by visiting on podcast media. Dot Com. 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#bonnerville | Michael Bonner

"The presenting sponsor for on education is class. Craft is c- is right around the corner and class craft has something to share. Stay tuned to the podcasting. Keep your eyes on Twitter to see how class craft is going to once again change the way school is played. To learn more about class craft and get started on the road to the most fun. You've ever had at school. Visit class craft dot com slash on occasion. Who cares? If it increases engagement, if you're not, meaning learning objectives emphasising instruction. Welcome to on education. I Mike Washburn at Glenhaven friends, we have an awesome pod for you today. We would discuss the reasons why teachers, adopt Ed tech white college role is going down, whether or not gaming, the sort of should be diagnosed as an illness. And our guest this week is a phenomenal, educator, and speaker, Michael Bonner. How about those raptors? Oh my goodness. They pull it off. Man, actually destroyed them. They wasn't even editing even think at one point, they were that Golden State was even in the game huge game one victory, let's wrap. I'm super pumped about the game one victory. The raptors played incredibly well from start to finish. It's funny I let I let Isaac stay up and watch the whole game. He didn't have school on Friday, so Thursday night he was up till like midnight, and he was, like, you know, sitting on the couch over over there. And he was pumped like they had they had, like a ten point lead with a couple of minutes, left, and unlike no you don't celebrate anything yet. This is the goal like I mean, they dropped they drop a couple of threes and it's, you know, the right back in it. Right. You never know what can in this is Golden State. We're not talking about, we're not talking about. And I'll tell you when the ten Milwaukee Bucks, right? Ten points in a second that could happen. So I was like, no man. They gotta play the whole game. And even the last couple of minutes, he can't take anything for granted with these guys. And they did that at least I think that, you know, I was watching really hard that last minute and a half that, that they didn't take their foot off the pedal. Because I was worried that, you know, with ten point temporary leads pretty good. And in the regular season, template leader would be pretty locked locked down. But I mean in the finals against Golden State. I don't think I don't think you take your foot off the gas at all. Anyways super pumped about. Game two is game. Two is tonight. And listen, listen, man. That's it. I don't I don't know. I don't think they could I gave one I that was the most lethargic version of Golden State I've ever seen so many turnovers curry looked horrible. I mean, they they look that way out of sync which is made. I think. Was there a Toronto's defense was actually super frustrating themselves? So we'll see game to if they can keep that cut his you're right. They have a chance to win. They might have all they might have a chance to win might have a chance to win. Yes. No. I'm not betting on them. I would still say four games in a row could still happen again. You get one Roku, totally happen. But do you think four games in a row kit happened for the raptors? No. Close. Now man they're gonna wake up. It's, it's kind of one of those things that a team like that they've actually just been cruising through all the playoffs lost their one of their best players. I don't even know if that really has that much of an effect. A lot of people do think that has a huge affect. I mean obviously Kevin Durant, the probably the second best player in the whole league. But that or no, we'll see. I think they actually played better without him. So we'll see how it actually works out for second. I'll watch. Jeez. He's back for game three. You'd think so. Okay. I think the only should play them if he's actually fully healthy shares. He himself. Yep. Go so out. Chat chat on education. This week was pretty awesome. It was busy. There was lots of fun conversations. It was probably the busiest chat on education. We've had it was pretty close. Anyways, talking about a are in VR. You know it was a good. It was a good chat. Right. Absolutely. A lot of people very interested in the topics of both augmented and virtual reality, the devices, we got all kinds of people that have never actually participated in the chat hopefully that continues. Because those that's really what we wanted just the discussion the happen. And maybe some questions to be asked questions to be answered some resources to be shared. That's what it's all about. I'm experiencing some serious foam. Oh here with, with Steve, and Jamie and, and all other. Andrew all of you got your Oculus quests, and I'm sitting here twiddling my thumbs. And you're the guy that has all the games. I have. All right. And I had I had a rift now it's like I regret getting rid of it. You know, I couldn't have used it with him. I don't have the space for a rift, but with the Oculus quest because it's on tethered I can go down into the living room which we have tons of room in the living room and use it down there. And it it's now we can get back to it and yourself. I'm doing it. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And I think I have in one of the one of the things I'm selling so I have to XBox ones. One is in my office here in one is in Isaac's room. So I'm selling the one I have in the office here. I never I never really use it. If I wanna play XBox can go into is play his by. I'm gonna I'm gonna sell that a couple of games controllers I should give me about two or three hundred bucks Canadian and then than, you know, the quest think is five fifty Canadian. So I man, I'm gonna I'm gonna gunning for hopefully by the end of sometime around July. I'll be able to get it. And, and after I get through all of this nonsense, with us travelling in they'd you'll actually be able to use it right. Yeah. I'm going to be on like basically for the next three weeks straight after next week. So no Tony now. No, not at all. Lots of interesting articles came up this week that, you know, we talk about some of this stuff pretty often. So this is this is another one here. Why teachers Dopp dead tack and why they don't and we've talked about this before there's a great quote in it that I pulled out and put right into the outline. I could probably count the number of tools. I tried out and tested that number would be in the double digits, and the number of education specific apps services in software. I actually used consistently those could easily count on one hand exactly what we've talked about before. When we had Diana McGee on, we talk vetting attack, and how teachers pick up all of this offer trial, the staffers set up accounts for all these things, and never or get by a whole bunch of stuff. Yes, n never actually use it. Right. Yes. And I think this article really hits home. The key? Points. Number one is anytime. You're talk about Ed tech, whether be a actual physical tool of some sort of thing that we were talking about VR AR. Is it going to help you meet learning objectives? The other two main points on this is will it increase in gauge -ment that one I think is usually what people lead with. And I think you would agree with Mike is people are looking at engagement as the number one thing, they're like, okay, cool. Then it's going to help learning will happen. No matter what. Because engagement is there and that's not necessarily the case. And then the other one is facilitate instruction. That's really one of the reason why I was, you know, you, you throw at certain tools that you're really that you really love one of the reasons why like near pod. Is it facilitates direct instruction and it helps the teacher to basically know what the students are, are? No do know with formative assessment right on the fly. And as a teacher, you can change up your lessons be able to include everybody in them. And. That's the kind of tools that I really love is the things that you can tell do all of these things help you beat the learning objectives, increase engagement and facilitate instruction. But if it can't do that you probably don't wanna buy, especially you don't want to buy it in bulk read at the beginning and just invest hardcore into something like that. So you're right. We've talked about this alighted, and we will continue to talk about it as we go through even when we start talking about specific tools, if we don't feel like it's going to really make that big of an impact, we're going to say it, you know, one hundred percent because the thing we have now is an ecosystem of educational technology that is really well developed in stablishment it, this isn't like two thousand ten two thousand twelve anymore. You know, the ground has shifted on this so much in the last seven to nine years, that, you know, we have, you know, the Google apps for education, you know, all of those apps we have near pod. We have some of these apps and tools are. Super well established. And what that means is that some of these other abs- that come out when they when they come out they're having a much harder time establishing a foothold because they're trying to break through against abssador already really well established. But I think the point of that is, you know, in context of this article is that, you know, if you're developing a brand new application, you better bring it like you better be a really meaningful. You better bring something new and then be able to show that your app will increase in gauge -ment. It will meet learning objectives in it'll facilitate structure as you had all the minimum ass-, and you have to hit these three things, and I mean, there are a lot of these new tools and stuff that just simply don't do that. No. And to be honest. There are really well known tools ending mean this adds, a whole other layer of complexity that there are all of these tools that we even know and love in use an and Minecraft might be a really. Good example of this, where it absolutely can increase engagement. But if you're not using it, right. If you're not doing it, right way. Your your who cares? If it increases engagement, if you're not meaning learning objectives in facilitating instruction. Yes, we know that Minecraft increases engagement. We know the games base learning is the best way to get your kids attention by, if you're not gonna use games as learning in the right way, for the right things at the right time in the right context, you're not doing anything. You're not solving any problems in your certainly not teaching well. And that goes right back to what you always talk about to Mike, which is we need to be trained. We need to make sure that as educators. We need to be trade on how to best use these tools like you'd say that because this is the connection. This is the missing thing. Mike craft is amazing. Yeah. But it's not easy to use as a tool. It's actually really, really complex and maybe one of the hardest tool so us do. Well, yes. Yes. And and it takes an investment of time. It takes an investment as, as an educator. It takes a quite a bit of a learning curve, even within your students to them. Adopting that is far as the game based learning kind of pedagogy. But in the end the biggest thing as you've stated before you continue to stay is, we need to make sure that we received the proper professional development. It can't be at one time. It's gotta be continuous ongoing. And it's got to be specific to these things to make sure that we continue to work on them. Basically, formative assess our, our selves, our educators to continue to grow in the profession and using these tools, otherwise, we're just throw some stuff out there and hoping that it does it does good. You know that's not a good way to, to, to teach her to be a institution. Not at all the second article. Why is college enrollment going down? Pretty interesting article, lots of intr-. Testing numbers, you know, lots of states are hitting big drops four to five percent drops in enrollment in places like Illinois note Takada. Hawaii Kansas, Florida New Hampshire saw a ten percent increase, so I mean, there's some really interesting numbers here. But, you know, I think there's a lot to say about why student, you know, enrollment is going down in college in university, and it's gotta have at least something to do with the fact that when you exit college a university, you have one hundred fifty two hundred thousand dollars in debt, which is frigging ridiculous. It's so disgusting and gross. Ed doesn't surprise me actually, in what it shows me, though, that this generation, that's going out to potentially be in at a university, potentially go into debt are not going because it says three hundred thousand fewer students are, are going to be attending. Than they were last year. They're educating themselves, you know about like what are options. They're saying, okay, what are my options, I can do this, and accumulates basically debts because I don't have the money to be able to go to pay for this, right? At this moment, or I can do these other things to go headed developed some skills in a variety of different things is this, the, I guess, misnomer would be that you think that these people are not going to do anything or they're going to go directly to work. They could. I mean they could. But a lot of them, I think are going to be trained in other ways, maybe they're going to develop some specific skills in an online format, whatever it might be. And you know, apprenticeships or whatever, and they're not gonna cumulate that gigantic debt at, you know, at the end of their training at the end of the thing, and then they're going to be ready to go ahead and go into the work in the workforce. So it's a very interesting shift that's taking place. I think has to do with, with Don wet track was talking about that whole it's funny because I was thinking. Don wet trick at the exact same. Yeah. Yeah. The gig economy. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So basically the emergence of the gig economy, I huge impact on education at the university level. And we've talked about this before I'm sure on the show. I'm almost positive that we said the universities are gonna have to adjust their the way that they use give out degrees. And I thought more it kind of like a societas with what Noah talks about to Geisel as far as badges in certifications, Micra, Dench, Ling, that's going to have to be included university levels for someone to be interested in that. I can go get my Microdyne Schelling in specific types of coating in a six month program in Iowa will be placed at a specific university that will get you some students to be able to start coming in. So I think it's going to have a gigantic impact both the student loan debt in the emergence of the gig economy. The third article we came across this week is gaming disorder and illness and the. What is the health the Health Organization, the World Health the World Health as Asian has just certified or whatever the hell you wanna call said that gaming addiction or gaming disorder? Call a gaming disorder which is dumb, but its name I, I actually get this a little bit that they've called this on this, but maybe in a different slant. I have a different perspective on this, maybe. Then gamers gamers are going to share this article and say, this is stupid. You know it's all about personal responsibility. Everything can be in addiction, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's, that's like, the, the common counterargument to, to gaming addiction from, it's typical from gamers. But one of the things that people a lot of people need to remember is that these things are built to be addicting. They are built by experts who are professionals at creating addictive experiences. That's literally their job. If a game wasn't addicting. No one would play it. And then you wouldn't you wouldn't have a popular game. And if you're trying to sell games, your job is to make it as good as possible, so that people wanna play it all the time. So I get it. It's the same way, social media is an addiction. I mean, we, we know, for example, on there's been tons of research about, you know, even why the number your notifications that number is red. And. It's red. For reason it's not it could be it should be yellow. It could be blew it could be whatever the hell color you want it to be. It's red for a reason it's red because it's part of the addiction, as part of the dopamine, kind of hit that you get when you see that people like your tweet or you know, hit love on Instagram picture, or whatever it's part of that, that constant, you know, experience of being liked, and that's part of the addictive nature of social media. I think if they if I don't know the answer this, but if they haven't certified, for example, social media as an addiction, they better be getting on that next. Because the exact same thing as gaming addiction. I would I would agree. And the only part that I really find disturbing about something like this is at someone condemned. Weaponize this, this type of research, especially if you re deeply into the article, we're talking about a very few percentage. Dj that are actually classified it. The have this gaming disorder. Yes. So, so what people do though is they use something like this, in a quick, click Bates is far as gaming disorder. Right. And then they use it to basically say, hey, we should ban all game, James shifts this, this is horrible, blah, blah, blah. Ed, if you get to an extreme point of anything, it's really bad. It can really have a devastating effect. And that's what this article talks about. But it also says that this is not a com- the common occurrence. It's a small percentage of people that are Admiral. They're apt to go ahead and have this specific thing. And we've got to make sure like you always talk about. We gotta do things to make sure that our kids aren't, just always on them that we limit the amount of time that they're working on things that we do a variety of different things. And that's what we all try to do as parents, and especially as educators that were. Doing a variety of different things that just one type of thing, especially we're not trying to get, you know, obviously our kids hooked on to video games or whatever might be. So I just don't like when people weaponized things, and this seems like something that people could glass onto, and then use it in a different sense to be able to, you know, give attributes say, hey, we should do any of this stuff. So that was my big take on it. I was watching a show. I what the nature of the show was, but it was it was talking about. It was a mother and a son in the sun was, you know, obesity, in an unhealthy way. And they were talking about health and stuff like that. And the doctor it was a doctor that was interviewing the mother, and he said, does he eat healthy, what does he does he eat? And she's like, oh, yeah, he eats super healthy, he eats, like ten oranges a day and the doctor just looks at her. And goes are you kidding me at successive? Ten oranges. A day is not healthy. That's bad. And he had to go into this whole like he went into this whole talk about how like anything in acts excess is bad for you including eating ten oranges. So number on your stomach, and your whole system. My god. Mouth how much it is. Yeah. A lot interesting. Yes. And it's and it's story I and I get it completely that. I mean, the, the percentage I love the point that you talk about weaponising this, because the percentage of almost of most addictions is super small. But there are there certainly a subset of people who love bashing video games and love, you know, finding that evidence and there that one thing that they can just hammer people with s to say, look, all video games are bad. This is why they're bad. They are scourge on society or whatever they wanna say, in total just it's just ridiculous. So I can I can acknowledge the idea that, you know, even the danger of acknowledging this as some sort of, you know, big thing can be blown out of proportion as people are want to do sometimes with with stuff like this. Absolutely. When we come back summer holidays, are, starting up all around the US, and we're going to recap a great conversation. We had on Twitter about summer break, quote unquote and getting the question it must be nice to have. Summers off. What do you do all summer? So stay tuned. Do you have plans to attend to instant conference this summer? Come one day early and participate in the best hidden gem conference in the United States badge. Summit, twenty nineteen will take place on the temple university campus in Philadelphia Pennsylvania on June twenty second. There will be lots of wicked smart educators to collaborate with on topics such as digital badges, credentials game -cation more. To learn more about badge summit, simply visit bit lead slash badge. Summit. All right. Welcome back to the podcast ever went, so Glenn, I have a question for you. All right. What do you got Glen? It must be nice to have the summers off. What do you do all summer? You're not doing anything you just sitting around you have a pool. I'll teachers pools don't they, we all have pools, well, lounge around right from the beginning of the summer till the day, right before workshops, again, you start drinking must be grace chewing, call that Chilin net flicks, the whole thing. Yup. Exactly. So, yeah, I just wrote that I really hated that question. Because it comes and a lot of times, I don't think people mean to be nasty about it. But it always has this tinge of, like, oh, like, what do you actually do then, you know, and people are nasty about it. Oh, yeah. Some people are, are for sure. And, and it's just it's hard to, to get people to realize that their perceptions that we just chill out during the summer. That's right. We still get paid during the summer even though we don't work. That's that one to just be nice lugs bad. But I feel like what I'm going to be a reason why I was even posting this because I wanted to collect people's thoughts, which there were so many good things that people wrote on just basically changing the perception of the public, and making sure that it's clear to people. Continuous continuous change because it's not a one time thing. I think we need to make the point clear to people like that. The reality of, of what's happening in the profession. And what their perceptions are, are two different worlds, for example, that one about getting paid there in the summer, all of us, earn our money during the hundred eighty some days, one hundred ninety Sundays, however, many you work during the year. Yep. Exactly. Add most people don't get that, though. They don't understand that the district and even the tax payer in, in a weird indirect way is actually saving money by paying us on a twelve month basis. That's why a lot. Out of unions actually have demanded that we have the option of getting paid in a nine month calendar during the time that you actually work, and then had been having the summer, you, you save your own money. You do whatever you wanna do. And then you could also have the option of doing a twelve month because they understand that if you invested that money yourself, as a teacher, you would be making the interest versus the district, making the interest off that money that just sitting there from the state or the federal government. So big deal that people understand that we get paid a per day rate and it's for us it's associated with the salary grid. But that per day rate is for those hundred ninety hundred whatever two hundred days that you actually work, you split it up. You multiply times at number, you get your total salary, but for us it's distributed among my school twenty four pay periods. Some schools only twelve pay periods a one month, but whatever it is, you earn the money so they're just holding it for you as a good way of being able to. Describe it this, this is the first summer that I am getting paid in the summer. I remember we talked. I I'm one of the rare interior teachers that didn't get paid during the summer every, every public school board in Canada. I believe in on -tario for shore has this prorated pay system where you get paid during the school year? I worked at a private school that I mean tactically. My contract was a temporary like almost like a seasonal contract while I signed signed a contract every year that paid me that I was employed from September to the end of June. And then I was technically on paper, I was laid off at the end of every year, it's crazy got a winning candidate. Call a record of employment. This is the slip that they give you when you're laid off, you're fired. Record of employment and, and actually for the first couple years, I went in submitted unempl- for unemployment insurance because you were unemployed. Yeah, I had no money. I had no job technically, I was unemployed. So this is actually the first year that I'm going to be earning an income in the summer, and we're excited about that. How you I mean. It's amazing because they'll tell you, I there are there have been like in just add to that story. I didn't get paid until the end of September because we got paid at the end of every month. Yes, so I had to go through actually a whole none of, of driving to school and paying gas. And Mike commute was. You know about an hour each way an hour in ten minutes each way. So I was paying a lot of money in gas, and, you know, you, you're buying lunch for lunches and stuff like that. I mean I, I was doing my arm off by the end of September wondering how the mortgage would get paid. So I mean if you're if you wanna ask about why I do side hustles, for example. I'll tell you why. Because I needed to earn money through the summer. Yep. In some ways, I did distribution of that money is actually a very good thing for many, many people, and it's actually very good for the district. Like I said, they actually because they have that money stored as a whole they end up making more interest on that on that money. And that's great for everybody in the end. They just perception again. Is that you're getting paid for not doing anything? And I hate that the other one that I hate is brand Wiktor, one of my co workers. She wrote s- that she's been asked about her ACT scores and her GPA and, you know, in high school and at the university level, and then they ask the question, though, at one, why are you even teaching? You could have done anything you wanted to do. And her response is fantastic. I'm a teacher because I love it and challenged by daily which makes her grow and she hates implication, that teaching is a less profession. You know less professional. That's just right. We have amazing educators throughout the entire country here, and in Canada throughout you guys this country that are people that, yes, they could have done anything, but my goodness, they decided to go to choose one of the most difficult feels to be in and they are doing right now and, and then guess was benefiting in the. End all of our students all of our kids, and our countries are benefiting because we continue to bring up our kids, and then give them the opportunities that later in life because of an inspirational teacher that they're going to have a tier. So it's just awesome to I love that. It reminds me this, this whole narrative reminds me of the quote, I learned it from a Taylor. Mali poem Taylor. Molly's was an educator in poet. But he references an interesting quote. He's the, and I think of set it on the podcast before that hold those who can do. And those who can't teach. Yes. And that's like that's like a brutal perception. That's out there. Yes, it is. It's saying that, you know, teaching is your fallback. When you can't do that one thing that you've always wanted to do we all know that, that's I was just about to swear there we all know that. That's ridiculous. But, you know, there are lots of smart, people out there that are teaching because this is what they've been meant to do their entire lives. Yes. And, you know, screw anyone who thinks otherwise because that's ridiculous. There are so many we've we are you and I are blessed to know some of the best mica educators in the whole entire world. And we've talked to some of the best educators in the whole entire world, and that is amazing in you, can, you know, how smart these people are as soon as they open their mouths and start talking about. And you, you know that this isn't there fall battle-plan. This is exactly what they were born to do. There was a lot of good other quotes here that, that we God, you want to go through a couple of the other ones. Yeah, I like the one I've uncaught men who is active on our Twitter account. He said he said when we're doing. Something that students enjoy. And he said, some staff member or I would save a community member walks by and says, hey, that looks fun. That looks like fun. It's well intended, but implies that school being enjoyable for students is like the exception to, to the rule instead of it should be the rule. And they're having they're having fun. So there are obviously not learning absolutely in that, that happened a lot in my Spanish class, where we would be seeing when I saw kids would be like we doing these little chance and clapping and doing some things and being kind of loud. A bit maybe even obnoxious. But the kids having fun and laughing about stuff, laughing at ourselves laughing at me, and then people would be like, oh, you guys are really loud in, like they look like they're having fun, but not like an a good way in the whizz like you're not really teaching anything like you're having fun, but not really doing what you're supposed to do, which is just way way off base. This one, quote here from will Carlson. I once had a guy at my wife's Christmas party asking condescending tone. Why teach kids don't you like? And my response was it depends on the adult. And I'm like, damn right. It depends on the. Adults are difficult. Yeah. It'd be professional development is super difficult. And so it's just so strange. I mean that's just another one where I was like good. I've heard that before. So that's what's, that's what's is so powerful there, too. And then another teacher Lindsay Simpson. Oh, you're a teacher. Must be nice to get paid to play all day, which Steve ISAACs responded to that. And he said, I do that light to play all day. And then you respond to that with basically saying that you play with robots on bay. I don't care what anyone says by ultimate point about all this, and that's what I'm going to end up writing about this is this is the perceptions, actually Dr. A lot of legislation. Sure they had not only do they, they basically drive legislation in our schools. We've talked about before things like passing levies or being able to pass things to be able to bring up our schools, whether it be building things or actually be to be able to raise more money so that we can pay our teachers, a better salary whatever might be is our super difficult things to do in a lot of it has to do with these kind of perceptions that live out there, just socially. It is doesn't have to do specifically with social media, because some of these things have lived way before the, the advent of social media. And, and so it's our job, though, to make sure we clear up the air to be clear about it. We don't have to be hot about it, but we can be like, hey, here's the reality. Just so you know, I don't know if you actually do know but here's the situation in a lot of people, you know, the people that are actually worth it are. Like, oh, I didn't actually realize that. Oh, I didn't understand that, that was the actual case about whatever might be, and that's a good thing for people to know and understand to hear the real stories about what are happening. The log base that people put in the weekend work that people do and the hard work that they do during the summer. You know, whatever it is that you do during the summer, obviously. Don't be ashamed of whatever it is. You wanna do not at all. There's a mazing stuff that happens during the summer, I've seen so many people collaborating doing all kinds of crazy things in thinking are ready. There's people that are Deming us right now, thinking of ideas about what they're gonna do next year and how they're going to surprise the kids. And I mean like stuff like that is, is the norm. And that's what people don't understand. It's not the exception. That's what people are doing. All of our educators are doing as the year finishes reflecting. And then during the summer put in that hard work into what's going to happen next year and make my lessons that much better. Absolutely. We're heading to itchy in just a few weeks. Oh man. That's crazy leading up to the event. We're thrilled to have lined up some of the great keynote presenters at this year's conference. And when we come back, we'll be chatting with Michael Bonner so stay with us. All right. Welcome back to the pod. Everyone in two thousand seventeen Michael Bonner appeared on the Ellen Degeneres show in since then nothing has been the same Michael has delivered over one hundred keynotes and breakout sessions to educators, all over the world and inspired educators, with the story of his own brand of music, infused education. Michael will be a keynote speaker at itchy and joins us on the podcast today. Welcome Michael, thank you so much appreciate. So my goal. We've told a lot of great stories on this podcast. And we've had amazing guests share their stories. But I mean I'm telling you. I'm not sure there's a better story. Oh, there's a ores. I don't I don't I don't I don't really want to spoil any of it in the question. So maybe you can just give us a bit of the history that's led to us being together today, take as long as you want, because this is a wicked story. So my name is Michael Bonner. I am an educator teaching for about seven years now going to smile teaching into my thirty of teaching I absolutely wanted to stop being teacher. I was burnt out. I was working at a school that is one hundred percent free reduced lunch. We actually park in behind barbed wire, the school surrounded by barbed wire. There's a graveyard across the street. There's low income housing house, zip sort of haven't been built up in properly man in Alice's import like I'm done. I remember in guided reading on being indeed dot com, looking up jobs to see what do, right. And I just had this moment of where my Angela has his quote that you should just want to survive. She wants to thrive in Addis told myself if I'm going to be a teacher. I wanna like my classroom. I wanna actually enjoy doing this on a hardened to it. So that summer man, I just took a lot of time reflecting thing about what can I do. Switch it up in become better, as far as educator in that year had this amazing group of kids twenty twenty kids about fourteen boys, six girls. Beautiful individuals on I taught them this test. I taught them the standards who are point one two point one, which is the essential questions in second grade who what when where wine how and I gave them this assessment man in only two out of twenty kids fast like every teacher. You're frustrated with the data his method to the principle. They can't read, I don't know what the issue is. She said is John dropping quote to be Michael of eighty percent of your students failed -ment. The problem is in the students. The problem is you while set up and I said, okay. Oh, I remember going back to the kids and they kept bobbing their heads. This song in class was were rotating cleaning up some make some, some content to this as a guys. If you actually pass his assessment of fourteen to be passed out make your music video for my Samsung galaxy s seven out of you know what I'm doing with it, but I'll make you a music video and they really took it. Seriously are be content differently. I was more engaged whole brain teaching in. I gave the assessment before no at fourteen passed. I posted the video on Facebook when me and my co workers went out for a good evening or Friday night, next morning. I had a thousand shares on Facebook, and it just blew up to something that have never thought lap. That's what advises their love. Love it. So can you tell us what happens after that, because what happens after that is, is boggling? So we post video and of course, getting a lot of local attention than all of a sudden, I'm taking my kids to lunch one day, and we get this phone call in the cafeteria. They, Mr. bonnet you need it to the office. Right. I'm here with my kids make them lunch away a come to office side went out to the office in bears. Miss Chapman, her lovely smile. The school secretary both my ministrations missle Kishan Lynch, and they were standing there just looking at me with a smile in this, Michelle MOS. I, hey, somebody's gonna fall for you. And I'm like, is it a is the parent? I don't have time to argue parent. I'm I'm, I'm hungry. The kid is hungry, and pick up the phone and the person says, hey, his Courtney from the Ellen Degeneres show in the school erupted at I have the actual video footage. I believe on my old iphone out of my apartment, I was completely thrown away in from their minutes. Proud to be going onto her show. NBC nightly news, ash. Kushner, its vocabulary to front row is just is turned into this thing. Assistant moment, men, I've been travelling the country in still being teacher, full-time inches really pushing the message of how important education is awesome. That. Mazing guy. We love it. So anyone who listens regularly to our podcast knows that Glenn? And I aren't afraid to dig into the messy topics. We've covered we've covered inequality covered. We've covered self-segregation. We've we even took a deep dive into school funding with the head of policy from Ed build. That's an education and education think tank, but as a former private school teacher. My personal background in education is super far removed from issues surrounding poverty, and homelessness. I'd like to frame this question in a way that helps educators because that's most of our listeners, and including myself understand this world, a little bit better. What, what do you think educators understand the least about working in these communities, for example, in this context, what advice might you give to a new teacher? If you had a new teacher coming to your school, who also didn't have this background and was working in an environment. Like the school that you were working at what do you think you would tell them? What do you think he would share with them about working in a title? One school, for example, when individuals. Oh, up in poverty air, just has a beautiful book on it, as well, teaching with poverty, mar I had to learn even as an African beer, Camille, in the hood, I was teaching. It was mainly students of color, specifically African American children. And oftentimes to implicit bias in media. We automatically have thoughts towards individuals that conflict environment. And what are the biggest lesson taught me working out elementary was just because the child comes from property or has a lack of resources doesn't mean they're not gifted had the ability to learn, you had to find ways to engage the child and Bill relationship with child for the consequentially goes through and oftentimes in education, where so excited about teaching content in, we're so excited about flexible seating in our lesson. No, Chevron lesson plan note that we don't think about that. There's some children who actually some love and care in one that to them, they can perform. They can code in baking articulate as well as anybody else. But when you don't have the basic needs food, clothing shelter. You know, you're not going to be focused. So Michael, one of the topics you speak about is teacher quality and the critical attributes that every educator must possess in order to affectively lead a classroom. So can you share a bit about what are those attributes to our audience? So there's a guy by the name of Donna. Jane Johnson university of Chapel Hill, who's ashes theory, call the Browning of America in what he's essentially saying is Hispanic population is having twice as many babies as the after Asian population, which means it United States of America's become more diverse, where the you like it or not, right. So with the topic of with the net speech, I'll make sure I understand that we must check our own biases. Whether they're implicitly explicit, the second point always touch on. How are we actually teaching our children in? How can we show we differentiate our lessons, so that every child can have a phenomenal learning experience in their opponent? Always touching on is to remind caters of how important we actually are US House. We get me for. Forget that in this, this chaotic world. Yes. Yes. And often received the opposite message, especially out in, in the media, so something different here because one of the most appealing, there's so many appealing things about your story. But for Mike and I really really struck a chord with us because we both have music in our backgrounds Mike's dad is at my brother are both professional musicians, and we've both my and I play guitar do some different things. But so my question is, basically, like tell us about the connection, you make between music, and you're teaching and how important that was or that Indies for me as an educator, if I call myself educated that means I must be willing to explore different cultures to make sure that child is having a phenomenon academic experience and within their certain things within humanity automatically brings us closer together. Like how me and Mike we're talking about Toronto. What a smile we gotta connection sports Newseek food. So for me music is one of those things that, you know, anybody that has a great playlist Mia riding with them in a car. It's like the conversation goes easier. Right. And I noticed children today, they're just they're inside of this. There's some urge inside of, of different types of music. So I try to use something and switch it around to try to teach through it. Use it as an avenue use music as an app. The same use technology as an avenue to get out on a stained something I use music in that context in, in students love it than island teaches Levitt. I rave all the time of a flow cabbie, Larry i-it's, it all the time when I was teaching I, I can't get over lake the smile in, like just the way that kids go crazy over something like caviar is mind boggling. It's the I mean that I teach a computer science teacher. So, so the one way that I used flick heavily there's a great free resource made by them that they did with comments. Media. It was about social media and sharing. And it was it was in their style. So it was it was read it. You must you must love tools like that. I do. I do I think is just a beautiful thing when educators can find a way to just become creative. I'll tell people all the time. I'm not a rapper. I kid I can't say my life, but I'll try my best to make myself, appears awkward as possible issue should have experienced. This woman is so cool by the BDO, I made the Beatles hosted. I was trying to things in normal speed it was noticed about a year old that needs to be a slow motion. It looks better six-year-old selling twenty twenty seven year old that I'm old, right? It was it was a great moment, man. And I think music in inflow calculus nominal resource. Yeah. So you're, you're speaking, it is St. this year. And I, I mean that's a hell of a stage. I mean we've both been there and that's, that's like you accomplishment. You must be pinching yourself to thank you. Have the opportunity this this, so many and share your story. It's, it's awesome. We're, we're really excited. We'll be there and hopefully we can connect there and shake say, hi could you give us a little sense? Don't don't spoil the whole thing obviously. 'cause I mean it's a big deal. Give us a little sense of what you're going to be talking to us about their so for the keynote or for the actual morning session of doing for the Keno. So for the Keno talk about both to I'm gonna see the morning session for for for fun. But what I really want to do is I want to drive home. The concept of legacy are really. To begin to understand as educators that every other profession directly impacted by us. And once we understand that once the world begins to understand it, they'll be a little bit more cautious in how they treat teachers and I believe, we'll be a little bit more aspired fired up understanding that we're affecting generations, literally, I can think back to three key. Teachers for me man who which is very influential to me become a teacher or wanted to become a better human being. And because they did that might children are going to be better because I was inspired by teacher. Think educators understand that you use it with technology. You fused it with digital blended learning in all the other resources things education. It Christ is does moment of excitement. Like, hey, we can do this in. We will do this. We will make this world, better education cath, great message. So find one now. So the finals NBA finals are on I'm, I'm Canadian I, I, I live just a little bit north of Toronto. Obviously, you know, you know where I lie on this. Glenn, Glenn, actually did like a super hot take last week and said they were gonna get swept. Right. Right now, I'm proud that the one win so far. I'm happy. But listen man it was that was a hell of a game. They played really, really well. What would you haven't seen any of the games yet because I know we talked about this a little bit. What, what, what do you think the Sears what he's think Toronto being in the finals? I'm really excited about the Toronto actually one with the Eastern Conference finals beating Milwaukee Bucks to see the energy industry. It's Ron so people we sort of take things I did for granted. We're looking at it through the TV but being atmosphere's like that will completely charge you up people, right? I love conferences, which is going to remind me right? Yes. I really feel good for Toronto, if they can make sure their role players play a good job as it relates to education, will everybody wants to be quiet Linnet. But had a can't be aligned to clashes training. Kyle Lowry you need in a unique data. Greenie individuals that can pitch in baking grilling integrate really. Obeyed all the threes possible, right? But I feel different around. So I really want them to win. I'm just a person that. This have a respect for teams that can build themselves from the bottom did win thing if you already put together, you have a great system to your winning applaud you, but I like the underdog I like I like the fight. Yes, I love to pump for tonight. Makes me feel me. I'm folly Gaza Twitter, something. Don't be looking out for you. DM's all night man talking about that. Michael, if anybody wants to be able to connect with you or learn more about to what can work, and they go to definitely on follow me on Twitter, which is a at Michael Bonner underscore, Instagram is saying at Mike, Obama underscore in own. Facebook is Marco Bonner dash Bonneville on pretty active on all of them. I'm starting now to understand the different mediums of social media. So for with I put all the videos and pictures of my keys because the is a huge audience on Facebook on Instagram for be more visual. So people like to see what kind of things going on and Twitter learned is more for discussion. So I told myself, but in this month, I'm gonna make sure to get into deeper discussions on Twitter. I get a lot of my research base article from Twitter. There's a lot of phenomenal hashtags to follow on Twitter. So I would love to connect with people listening that awesome. The as we actually have been thinking a lot about tech talk. If you. Seen this app called tech talk. I have not. I'm glad you say that I'm gonna pant right? T I K T, okay? Tick tock. Oh, I said talking. That might be your jam man. I think that you could do some cool things with. It's definitely, there's a lot of like music and dancing on tick talk. I mean, have you I think Ed, you tick tock could be thing it. And I think you could you could Bonneville. Splash straight actually mentioned because before tick tock was musically at actually mentioned it going to be taught about in the morning session. Just man how can make education better. So yeah, I'm a fan of it. I'm hell ride. Read also up Michael, thanks. Thanks for joining us. This has been very, very cool. Mike said, Michael's at ST and hopefully y'all come in. See him there. Thanks again, for joining us man epaulets. My pleasure. I hope to see everybody phenomenal time in science. Do it. Thanks for listening to on education. My name's Mike Washburn. Mike co host is Glenn Irvine wanna get in touch with us. 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We will discuss teacher Centric approaches to professional development, white teachers keep on striking how to attract new teachers, and our guest this week is the amazing Karl Hooker Enes independent school district in Austin, Texas, deans like beans. Yes. That's what he told us. Glitz. Great guest, speaking of beans this. I was putting together my kids lunch today and. A tell you what they asked for especially Isaac Isaac loves this. And I'm not sure if this is unique or not, hopefully, it's not because it's for the normal thing. But is it love? So we buy we buy flour tortillas. Okay. That's has. Yep. And then put peanut butter on them. Okay. And then wrap them up like a role. Okay. So it's a it's it's peanut butter in a flour tortilla Isaac loves that instead of a sandwich like instead of like a peanut butter in GM sandwich. He'll eat like peanut butter in jam rap. Say in Canada jam instead of jelly. Yeah. Okay. Alright. But I do I do actually make peanut butter jelly burritos. But that's just me in my household and everybody probably looks at me strange here, including my wife like looking at me like what are you doing? So rap so wrapping up peanut butter in GM in a in a tortilla is kinda normal. Sure now. I would say it's it's mad that weird of. But yes. So I think for especially for kids, I could see that totally. But I like it too. So what's what's something? You guys eat that other people might find strange my wife eats a lot of things that I don't eat that are really healthy. But I I will eat them. Sometimes just to try them out. You know? So what of vegetarian base things vegan type of things? That's she makes sometimes exclusively I self that we sometimes eat them to. Oh, have you ever had veggie corn dogs? No. They are delicious. Mike. I think I can't remember the it's just a regular company that makes them, you know, a an they're found in your freezer. I'll add they are. So well worth it because you will never know that their veggie bay tastes, delicious, you warm up in the microwave or you heat 'em in the baked in the oven, or whatever might be and our kids. Absolutely love him. So veggie corn dogs. I think would be the one where you're like what you will be blown away by the taste. And then it's semi healthy. I mean, it's a lot of fats. But yeah, it's still it's better than eating processed meats share XP process me have you ever had like one of the new. Kind of hamburgers like the impossible burger or anything like that. And these new veggie, burgers, I have not. So there's a chain in in Canada called an w I don't know if there's any in ws in the United States, but they're like the rigor gay. So there's a there. There are lots of those in candidates a pretty popular chain in Canada. I don't know how many there are in the states. But today, somebody popular. Yeah. They carry the impossible burger now at a N W at its border, and it's a veggie burger, Nicole L to it. Yeah. We'd not. No. You wouldn't know that it's not at all. Like, hey, I'm Ryan view didn't tell her. If you just said land w husbands Neuberger at in. It's called the impossible burger because it's so amazing. They can't believe it's possible. How good it is. Okay. And you didn't tell her. It was a veggie burger. I Gary I virtually guarantee you she wouldn't know I think we should get people to weigh in on the impossible burger, I'm interested now by but I'll tell you. I've had it. It's frigging. Great. Like, I can eat the impossible burger instead of a hamburger like pretty consistently. I'd be happy with it. It's it's really that. Good. Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna definitely try but try to do that this week. And then say, hey, we got we got to go out to eat at a w she Lexi, and w anyway, so this this is good. We like w here as well. So we we do have non-food topics talk about at that. We were doing top chef or something here. And our farming is going well just in case anyone is wondering George's tell us we are still absolutely addicted to a farming, Gabe. Okay. So addictive. It has it is a fishery cracked my top ten all time most played games on steam. And you play a lot of games. I mean steam you have I mean, you do John steam. So I have all of the game's on as we've said before the thing. But for it to crack, your top ten that's a lot. I mean. Yeah, I'm over one hundred hours now. Okay. I probably getting close to that. So pretty intense far far just crazy owing arming. I swear to God. I I'm staring at my laptop running my farm because Steve ISAACs wants to go and cut my beats down. So I opened up the farm. I mean, that's right beside me. It's running constantly. I can't stop farming people. I'm like dreaming about corn. Yeah. Yeah. And stuff. That's those are weird dreams, man. Quite strange. This is we have an interesting part because I think some of this stuff is pretty related like what we're gonna talk about later on in in after the break. Yes. But, but this this first thing we want to talk about this teacher Centric approach to PD. I love the the idea that that there are districts that are for going kind of a mandated top down approach to teacher, professional development stuff. Like what Damon Torgersen talks about? Yes. You know initiative overload. I guess is the word that we use for stuff like that. Where where it's like the bosses saying, you gotta learn this. You gotta learn this. You gotta learn this it instead this idea that you can have a menu for lack of better words, yet has little things little ways that you can improve your practice. Give you an idea. Teach you. You something new and and get compensated for that. And and and its bite sizable it's easy to consume. What did you think of this? I think this is pretty great. I love it. And let me just read the description here because people are going to be really I think interested in learning more about this. But basically three times a year there's a two week submission window open that allows teachers to submit for these micro-credits link for completion, you can think of that as a badge or whatever it might be just basically a mini professional development units. And you can choose one that the district offers you could select ones with the district's they have some partners outside of the district that have created some of modules if you want to call them that way, or you can create your own love that you know. And then basically once they're approved. You can basically you can apply for if you make less than seventy five thousand you can apply for two thousand dollars worth of micro credentials. Per year. So by getting professional development, actually, get paid. You don't have that. You're actually getting paid to continue to earn money or sorry to to grow in the profession that you're getting writing paid. If you make more than seventy five thousand is less, you earn less, but depending upon what school district, I'm sure you could work something out with whoever your local negotiating team is but they've had a hundred forty two micro Dench approval requests already, and then they've awarded a more than fifteen hundred of them since the since the event actually began. So in the last window sorry this last submission window. They had a hundred forty to go through but fifteen hundred already overall that they've already approved super awesome way to do professional development talk about, you know, teacher voice. You know what I mean? And and choice where you can say, hey, this is what I need right now. And I wanna go ahead and learn more about this in submitted in. Able to get paid for it to fantastic. So we saw this idea on a an article in edgy topa by what's her name, Melissa weight of Melissa Voight at kettle Moraine school district. We're going to link this article in the show notes in 'em. Probably give them a shout out. I think on Twitter because -solutely we're we're giant fan of this. And I think I'd actually love to learn a little bit more about this. So maybe we'll get someone from there on on to talk about this. Because I think that this is an amazing model this way. Yes, exactly. Because not only do teachers not want to be forced to do almost anything that they don't, you know, feel would be valuable, but to also just force PD down people's throats that doesn't apply to them or or I mean, none of it works. You have to have buy in. We talk about it so often yet. I mean, I don't know how many. The more times you have to say, but you have to have buying and and and teachers need to believe that this is the first question should be. How is this going to help me see a better teacher? And if you can't answer that then I mean, what what the hell even doing exactly so, and I think that when teachers get to choose from a list of options, or or or create their own option at as long as it's approved, you know, because once it's approved that you know, that means that it's been through a process where people have said, okay. Yeah, we see the value in this. And may be other people would like to do it too. But you can do this. And this looks great. So I I mean, this is the way to go off center or send this is the way to go. Yeah. So we've got to talk more about it and how it works then. So we can all learn from that. And then be able to to, you know, have models like that in our own school districts. Sure, pretty exciting stuff. So. So a pretty common problem in this came up on Twitter as well. And I think that's maybe where this sprang from. But a pretty common problem, especially in the United States. But it's still a problem in Canada's what you do after you're done school in. You've just shelled out, you know, in upwards of forty thousand dollars for your education, you know, some people even more Glenn can get into that. Because I I know he's quite a bit more than even I spent, but I mean, your student loans come due, and you don't even have a damn job yet or your work in that like wherever you're working part time at a and w selling possible burgers instead of teaching, you know, so a couple of universities have come up with some innovative ways to pay back your school. Yes. Including the idea of income sharing or the idea that once you correct me if I'm wrong this. Has basically once you get a job. Once you start doing what it is. You went to school to do when you start earning an income. Then you start paying back a portion of your tuition as a monthly payment or something like that, we writes. Yes. So they take percent of your monthly income, which I mean, I'm looking at some of the universities here. For example, the university of Utah loans between six at twenty thousand dollars per year that the ending upon how much you actually need. And then when you get your job you pay back two point eight five percent of your monthly income back to the student loan. You know, back to the loan and the duration of the payments are three to ten and a half years depending upon what it is. Of course, how much you actually borrowed. But the coolest part does for the I really liked Mike is if you don't actually get a job, you don't get that job. You're not you don't pay back anything. So it's it's kind of a double incentive is like we're going to prepare you for a job is going to exist. And when you get that job, you'll pay us. Which two point eight five percent isn't a giant ask you know, what I mean as far as a percent of your monthly income. It's a cool way of doing this. You don't pay anything up front. I mean, that's pretty cool. I mean as far as the way to be able to go at into get these, you know, a way to be able to manage these loans, and I think the reason why if you read this article, the universities are seeing that some students are just not going to school or delaying going to college going earning some money, and then when they come to school, they wanna pay their their tuition right off the bat, you know, kind of with the money that they actually have instead of incurring debt. So there's a lot of knowledge of out there from our generation of students that are coming in as college student. They're like, I don't wanna take on hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt. And instead we're just going to hold off on going to school or only go part time. You know what I mean? And so it takes longer to get through school or or if you know or if they even end up attending just because they're so scared of taking on. On that amount of debt, which who could blame them, you know. Right. And so the minimum salary you have to make before you start paying back is generally between twenty and twenty five grand which I mean. I would suggest that if you if you're applying for a job out of university in a in a field that requires a university degree, you're probably making even at entry level. You're going to be making more than twenty or twenty five grand a year. So yes, a while. And I mean, you you probably will be for sure one thing I really like about this is that it also it also forces the university to put its money where the whether it's mouth is s of the core in terms of the quality of the education, and that being enough to get you a job because so many universities tout numbers about how many graduates get jobs after graduating from so you graduate from so. And so and we have a ninety five percent employment rate kind of right? Yes. See that. All the time. Even with universities that don't need to advertise. Their kind of employment rates because they just get numbers, regardless. They still talk about know that were sending so and so like the university of Waterloo appear in on -tario. It's one of the best universities in the world for like computer science in engineering like by like, it was kind of founded by noth- founded, but blackberry ended up being up here because of the university of Waterloo and Google's main Canada offices in Waterloo in so it's known it's a known school. They still talk about how many people they feed to science, and engineering and physics in all of these roles because it's a thing that they talk about exactly. And so now, it's forcing these schools to say, you know, we're not going to get paid unless you get sounds like a lawyer. I we won't get paid until you get paid exactly. But the reality is is that that's the way it's going to happen. And that's I think that that's great that forces universities, actually, you know, be invested in the outcomes of the students instead of just take taking your tuition and walking away. Absolutely mad. And I mean, it gives them a vested interest to getting you a job. So there are some universities. I know that the university of Minnesota connect students with positions like at least gives you the opportunity to apply in to have a good chance of getting a specific kind of job their education department. I'm not sure if that's actually the case, but I know in other parts like the business department, those kinds of things where you're going to be connected to a business. Maybe I'll even do an internship there. Eventually, they know you're going to get hired at this place. So that that placement rate is so important ad so vital to any student investing their money to say, hey, I will get the of job instead of just being like, oh, I I just graduated with one hundred thousand dollars a debt in. I don't even have. Exactly. So people are still walking out of goals. Like, they're still all of these strikes going on this week. I guess was West Virginia. Yes. And and Oakland, Oakland Kelco a tie. This has been a hell of a year for this. Pretty awesome stuff in. It's not really a whole lot different necessarily than the rest of them. But I mean, I think we're seeing a wave right? We're seeing you know momentum. And at I think, you know, the narrative it's so much better than the narrative I've ever seen for strikes like I've never seen narrative on the side of teachers like I've seen in the United States in the last, you know, six months with these all of these walkouts overwhelmingly, maybe not overwhelmingly, but a large part of the support is on the teacher's side for these walkouts, they're just they're paid like garbage in their treated like crap and their schools are falling apart as I mean everyone's had enough. Including parents and kids. Yes. And it's really awesome to see parents support for the teachers instead of them, you know, so often in other years it's been where. You know, you get anti teacher kind of rhetoric out there. And it's been a lot of a lot of support for the strikes themselves. And then really pretty quick resolutions for them. I mean, if you think about the L A teacher strikes, how quickly it was resolved for such a giant enormous school district and an all of the other ones that have happened previously. They're getting in Denver public schools, for example, three days they were to have a resolution they are being they're working. So the strikes are working the the things that they're striking for, you know, of course, we're talking about salary it. We'll talk more about that in our next segment too. But things like, you know, the funding in West Virginia of these charter schools, basically kind of a scam way of taking money out of the general funding pot, and then placing it in these other places to eventually of road, the public schools, and that's kind of what happened in Los Angeles is is there was enough money taken away from these public. Schools it putting into these other types of schools, he's charter schools. That's a was creating an atmosphere where you have forty plus students per class in your your schools themselves are horrible in falling apart. And then eventually leads to the, you know, where people are like why would we send our kids to a public school? So it's interesting. That's that's all of these things are actually being validated. These topics are being validated. And the teacher strikes are working. They they definitely seem to be the the Denver one was a huge win. L A was a pretty big win. But a lot of these ones that teachers are coming out not only with the maintained narrative, which is. I think it's critical you if teachers one but lost the support of people at the same time that would be I mean, it'd be tough because the next time it has to happen. You're not gonna get the same level of support you now. But I think that one of the things that's really different this time in the states. Anyway. Is is that not only are the teachers winning. But they're key. They're maintaining their support. Like, everyone's happy. They won this the post. Oh, okay. We're back to school now. Well, it's great. They got their twelve percent raise. But, you know, Mike, it was home, blah, blah, blah. And now, I'm angry. Congratulations on your on your twenty dollars a week raise. Yes. You know that kind of stuff we don't want. We don't wanna lose the support of the public. We, you know, so many American institutions have been undermined in the last two or three years as it is, you know, we can't really afford to be undermining the mall dome, and and teachers are more important now like we literally just had we've had a couple of days in conversations with teachers talking about how important it is to be mentors and have the kids look up to you. And and teachers need to be looked upon as as guides. Yes. You know, the world which is crazy, right? Now, and it's hard to do that. When their parents are talking smack about them at home at the dinner table because they go on strike, very tough. Yes, exactly. When we come back. We're going to talk about another another tough subject. Another interesting subject. How do how to hire new teachers had to keep new teachers how to attract new teacher? So stay tuned. Quests one of class was popular features with over a hundred thousand lessons created by teachers and three million learning objectives completed by students. So far is now part of class crafts free offerings in twenty nineteen year. Students won't just be learning. Multiple -cation chemistry or any other content. They'll be saving the kingdom transform your lessons into adventures with quest today visit class craft dot com. For more information. All right. Welcome back to the podcast. Everyone sawn article this week in the buffalo news about about how hard time they're having attracting new teachers super interesting, and then we just came off a segment talking about strikes and stuff like that. I can see how would be actually pretty difficult right now to say, hey, why don't you get into to teaching? And I, and I guess we have some ideas on on how to how to get teachers into the profession, Glenn maybe like paying them more. What do you think? Yeah. No. I mean, I think that resounding thing that we heard last summer from the teachers are professionals movement is basically, you know, that's not a something that's ever gonna go away. I don't think if you want professional teachers. Ed, your your kids to have a really high quality of education. You don't wanna have the people that are hired to do this job to be kind of subservience profession, you know, subserve profession, and even what you're attracting to the profession, and, you know, the type of quality of candidates you want them to be the smartest. The most the most creative type of people that are coming out of each type of graduating class, and then them wanting to jump into the teaching profession, and I don't think we have that right now. I I honestly I mean, I know we don't because number one there's a teacher shortage throughout the nation. Number two the way that you get into being a teacher is I don't think rigorous enough. So we don't you know, when you when you are going to be a doctor, for example, there's so many multi levels of of as you go through your education process. Says that basically you're cutting out certain people who are just not qualified to be able to do this this job. We should do the exact same thing in education. It's not for everyone. We've actually talked about this is if if it's not hard work than something is wrong. You know what I mean? It's it's the most complex profession, you're dealing with these you're not dealing with a product, you know, you're dealing with actual human beings and the evolving nature of their needs. And if you're not ready for that. You're not that qualified to be that person. You shouldn't even be in the profession. But I think too often it becomes a default profession, at least a dozen the United States, and I know we've had this conversation where in Canada, you guys actually do treat teachers like professionals. It is a very I in demand profession like a lot of people seek out this degree because they they want to be diminish it. Yeah. Exactly, one of the profession. And and then we. Kind of have the exact opposite was kind of like all I couldn't do this. So I guess now I'm gonna teach. It's like, wow, that's horrible. I don't want. I actually don't want those people in in the profession if that's kind of your your secondary choice, for example. You know, I don't saying those those who can do in those who can't teach and that's horrible. Yeah. No. It's completely oracle. I have a clarifying question in in the United States, the bachelor of education is it a postgraduate degree like you have to have an undergrad already to do a bachelor of education. Is that correct? It's a okay. So when you seek out your education certification, I guess the best way to be able to describe it you a couple of different ways to be able to do it. But most of the time you major in a like, for example, it's call it elementary education is is it actual major that a lot of universities offer at your qualified to teach basically K through six. Let's call it that students. It's an undergrad degree. And then you do student teaching in order to qualify, basically for your license. So it's kind of like you work in conjunction with those things of basically you have a four year degree most of the time. And then another six months or a semester of the student teaching now, there's some other stuff that happens beforehand, usually during the when you're seeking out the degree. You may actually do a practicum of you know, at our notes somewhere between twenty and sixty hours. I'm not sure you've depending on the states, and then you go into classrooms, not actually teach most of the time. But basically observed those kinds of things do those reflection of, but when you get into to get the degree you have to complete the student teaching portion, and then you can qualify for your license. There's other requirements for the license to right, depending on the state's tasks other kinds of portfolios. It's cetera. You know, there's other things. You have to do. So in Ontario. It's different in Canada. I think it's different. You have to have an undergrad. I got like you have to go like I have. So I have two degrees. I have a bachelor of arts and science guy that's a four year degree, and then I have a bachelor of education that was right now. Or when I was doing it. It was a year. But now a bachelor of education is actually two years now. So it's a total of six years. So you're in in school fulltime for six years, okay? To to to be a teacher in in at least in Ontario. I I don't know if that's a across all of Canada, but I know in Ontario. It's it's you have to have an undergrad of some sort like Cheryl was a bachelor of kinesiology. She wasn't sure if she wanted to be a teacher or a doctor, so she did kinesiology. And then she did her bachelor of education at the university of western Ontario. So so, but. She was still five years, which is what I was five years. But now it's six years. And the reason why they one of the reasons they highlight for why they switched to six years was because there were too many graduates. Okay. It was too. It was too easy to going. Get your go from an undergrad. You could just go get a BA in history that right? And then, and which is, you know, a pretty common degree, and then and then just go and do your B Ed, and then you'd be qualified to be teacher. Yes. But we have we had literally we have we still do literally have thousands. If not tens of thousands of teachers that are working at in retail trying to get jobs because of also the asinine hiring practices of our, you know, our of our province, which we've talked about before fight. The thing is is that they're like you've just said there in demand. This is what people wanted to do because you know, the starting salary for a teacher in. -tario is in the low mid mid forties. I'd say but very quickly. I mean, you know, you make after twelve years you're making around or just over a hundred thousand dollars a year. Amazing. You know, so my wife has been a kindergarten teacher for ten or twelve years. And that's and it's pretty common knowledge like you can literally if you serve job peel district school board salary grid too. It's pretty common knowledge, you could just go and look it up, of course, how how much right, but it's because they know like the reason why people want to teach in interior is because of its it's a stable job. It's it's rewarding job. It's a respected job. But it also it's it's a it's a well paying career in the end with a full like I mean, the Ontario. We've talked about this before to the interior. Teachers pension plan is one of the wealthiest pension plans on the planet. Yes. They owned the. Toronto Maple Leafs at one point. So I mean as far as ability goes, there's not a whole lot better. This comes this comes down to a question of what what we would call opportunity costs. When you have a really smart person. Let's say there's just a a smart seventeen eighteen year old kid who has who could do anything. They wanted you graduate high school, and you could do anything you could be a physicist. You could be an astronaut you are so smart that you could just do whatever the heck you wanted to do you're going to choose a career that has you know, there's going to be things that are different and important to you because you're an individual person. But you're gonna weigh a bunch of things, and it's going to be things like future earnings. It's gonna be the accumulation of you know, of of of wealth and prosperity less stable job respected job and stuff like this. And I think that when you add. It up all of those like if you were to create a rubric for education for being a teacher in the United States. Let's say Louisiana. Fun. Right. If you had to create a or Arkansas, let's say we wanted to create a rubric for teaching in Arkansas. I mean, how low would that score be? I mean, it would be. Oh, yeah. Brutal. You mean as far as pay respected all of the? Scale up all of those types awful. Yep. You national night for of course, you would. And I mean or a lawyer or a doctor because all of those careers don't have the same. But, but certainly in on -tario the level of education to be a teacher is on par with the level of education to be a lawyer. Okay. Pretty close. Yeah. Six years. Yeah. And I'm not sure how long it would take to get a law degree in the United States. I made as far as that goes. But I know that if we if we did follow your your set plan as far as basically earning the equivalent of a master's degree. So you have a four year undergrad degree in. And you have two more destroyed. It is. Yeah. Two more years in those two years. I would be pro that. But what I would want to make sure that we would do in those two years is that it would be a hands on type of education. So we're talking about being in schools with students experiencing. That's developing lesson plans knowing how to manage a classroom, and all of the other things that come along with the Ed tech. You know, pedagogy curriculum all of those things, you know, working with those things not the theories of those things that should be totally in your undergrad. Now, you're doing that for two years. I say yes to that. And then as far as how to attract new teachers, I have on my list HERE IS NUMBER one treat them like professionals in. I think number two is you start off by saying every state we start off with a hundred thousand dollar minimum salary now some people loud money, people laughed at me out. That's but just imagine all of the things that are federal government. Especially who I think would should be the people that that's subsidized this cost that shouldn't come from our local taxes. We've talked about before imagine all the things that are federal government spends money on that is a complete waste, for example, a wall or whatever else it might be you know, that we're just blowing billions of dollars through. Garbage. If you started you started the socialists EMMY says a giant military industrial complex and could win win wars. Ten million times over exactly no, I I read along with you there. We we waste a lot of federal dollars on things that aren't gonna make the impact on our on our kids like this would. So if you start teachers off at one hundred thousand dollars salary, you better prepare your incoming teachers, for example in six year degree like you're talking about you have rigorous professional development requirements. Not optional things where we have to continue to grow in the profession, and we offer it like, we did we talked about this last segment in ways that are relevant to our teachers. But we don't give it as an option. We say you must do these things and even bite into the summer months. You know, if it's going to be one hundred thousand dollars, maybe we only get a certain amount of time off in the summer and the rest of the time, we're really growing as. Specials in the summer and really making sure that we have the Q week know exactly what we're doing. And then if you do all of that, you do recruit that kid that's that is considering a variety of different charisma. And maybe they do have a passion to teach to work with students that is their passion. And the now they have a career that says, oh, yeah. We can go ahead and pursue this because we have the salary, by the way, Mike to I was just thinking about your your salaries that you're talking about in Canada twenty thousand dollars of my salary, right? Went to insurance premiums. Right. So I just I just did my taxes, and I'll I'll announce that everybody here. It was nineteen thousand nine hundred sixty eight dollars so twenty thousand dollars of my my earnings went to my insurance premiums. So that is before just mean. By insurance premiums will insurance premium is basically the costs that you pay to have a specific plan of insurance. And this is a subsidized plan by the school. If you could imagine that so someone on the street would buy this plan. It probably would cost them thirty thousand or more. You know, I don't know how much more. So this is a interest. I went to the doctor it still doesn't mean that it's gonna cover everything Mike it's stupid. It's still probably have to pay a co pay. And do some different things. So I'm just telling you right now that whatever my salary is let you can look at my salary. I'd probably getting paid sixty five thousand minus twenty thousand of that for my insurance premiums that I'm not alone in this in. This thing is a bunch of teachers that have this kind of situation, and then minus the cost of any outgoing like anytime, we actually go to the doctor whatever might be. And then now add on top of that my student loans that I had anything else that you just want to do just to survive you're talking about like Howard you going to choose to do this career. You know, the window. We can attract new teachers, you incur a bunch of debts. You have to pay out tons of money in insurance premiums, and you don't get it that good of a salary and really my salary is really good might compare to a bunch of other states might cost of living is way lower is far as my house, those kinds of things ads. But I I don't even know how other people do it in other states. No wonder they have all those stories on time magazine a winning afford the live. So cheryl's, I can tell you that. So we have obviously we have universal healthcare in as we all know, and I'll continue to thank you. But, but there is also Cheryl gets supplementary private healthcare, but it's fully paid by the board. So so she doesn't have any co pay or anything like that. So the only thing we pay out of pocket for related to healthcare at our house is the the dispensing fee on medications. Okay. At the at the pharmacy that three year against it'd be like five dollars at Costco, that you pay you know, Costco to to fill your prescription. Okay. That's that's our goal thing. Yeah. That's I mean took twenty grand. I couldn't imagine being like twenty grand right off the top. I just did by discounting. Yep. Being out it would make it would make a pretty significant difference to our lifestyle victim. So, you know, listen all at I want. It is for the really smart. And there are I don't get me wrong. There are a this amazing teachers right now. Yes, there are thousands hundreds of thousands of incredibly genius smart. We know them, and they're our friends. And and I mean, these are we're not really in that profession just saying, no, I don't we just grow in. Zand that people exactly we just want the astronaut to choose to teach instead of flying the space. What? I'd be. Yes. So I mean, that's what we're looking for just to grow it. And some ideas about how to do that. When we come back. We're going to be joined by the man, the myth, the legend, Carl Hooker. All right. Welcome back. Everybody were thrilled to be joined on the pod today by Karl Hooker. Karl is the director of innovation and digital learning at Enes ISD in Austin. He's a well traveled speaker conference keynoter does all the things runs. Learn fest. Eighty ex grand talk about that in a few minutes that runs in the summer. We've tried to have him on a couple of times and it just never worked out. But he's back from vacation. We're so happy to have them. Thanks for joining us Karl thank you for having. Appreciate being on the podcast about we are too. So I I actually have a story to get started and Carl you've heard of bit of this story before but I wanted out on the air because I think it's I think it's important. So Carl is one of the first people that I ever met in like Ed tech like people, you know, who I'm talking about your vote, right? You know, twit. Edgy Twitter, famous whatever people calls one of the first people I ever met. It was two thousand thirteen we were at the Ed tech teacher. Boston ipad summit, and we brought almost our whole school to this summit. And I was in the whole day morning afternoon. The workshop the whole day thing at the at the beginning of the day before it actually started thing and spent a whole day with Carl and and we hit it off like really really well and had so much fun. We were doing like, the, you know, I don't know if we really use that word a whole lot anymore but doing like, apps mashing. Banter that was an interesting group. I remember that was only there wasn't a big workshop either wasn't my twenty or thirty people in their made me. Yeah. Yeah. So Carlin is stayed in touch quite a bit and and talked on, Twitter and back and forth. And. And. My first time speaking at a conference was this in twenty fifteen and I remember in this is the part that I've pulled Carl before. And that's Karl sat like in the front row of my mind craft presentation in twenty fifteen and I have to say Karl that I'm not I'm not a hundred percent certain. I'd be doing what I'm doing. Now, if it wasn't partly for you, and in your influence, and your your your advice, and your mentorship. I on my giant fan. And again, I don't think I'd be doing what I'm doing. Now, if it wasn't for you. So I wanted to thank you for being like such a huge supporter of mine. Like when I was first starting with talking about things, and you know, said it before it's like, I feel I felt like I had things to say that people wanted to listen, and you help me prove that that was true. And so I can't help it. Thank you, buddy. Appreciate that. I remember that very, well, we were Minecraft EDU was kind of an unknown thing. And I thought on the schedule, and I thought your name I thought wait a minute. I know this guy, and so I remember sitting there in the front row and kinda heckling you little bit. But it was great. And I remember the range of people in that audience went from people that had never heard of what even Minecraft was there were like now, what do I do next? I remember to people like me who knew about it. But we wanted to see the application that would pretty cool. But I would thank you for for that shout out. And obviously you've done a lot of the work yourself. I played a little part. That's awesome. But I really love seeing great people do great things. And that's something that when I saw your early work like Mike, Mike head for something. Then he meets us Glenn guy. And then who knows what happened after that? That was a big hit. So awesome. So so going into two speaking off of that, I guess is that I think mentor ship has been super-critical for me. I've relied on tons of people still I talk to people all the time. Maybe different types of people than the people. I was talking to originally, you know, in in the classroom, but I'm still like I'm talking to people like you, and Steve ISAACs and a bunch of other people all the time to get advice on on things that like you guys have been doing some of this stuff that I'm just starting to do you've been doing it for a while even mentors need mentors is is I guess the way to say it, you still find yourself calling up folks for advice, despite the fact that you're looked up to by, you know, a ton of teachers like me and other people. You know, the different now, obviously, I mean early on in my career. I would you know principle that I had already hall who got me kinda built around the idea school culture. She brought me with me from campus to campus before even got out and did anything other than just staying in the classroom. But she really taught me about the the power what a culture can do to campus, and then bringing that kind of energy, and possessing charisma to an adult learning situation, I found that I really had a niche and a love for teaching adult which challenge, admittedly. They're not always knew the kids by sometime a lot harder. And so from that, I kind of turned his career into a I wanted to make sure I did something that had to do with professional learning. And so a lot of the avenues. I've gone have all been revolving around that when it came to, you know, professional speaking, you know, there's a lot of people you guys probably know them George crows early on Adam bellow with all of his crazy amazing size and his design. Kevin Honeycutt actually with the first one I talked to about just like as a career what it looked like for him. I'm still working fulltime in school district. So I. I don't I don't know that will ever be a fulltime speaker. But just getting lots of tips and advice from him. But then obviously lately what it's been doing with. I've been doing is looking outside of education. So I get inspired by the strangest thing just places and stranger things show. So you'll a lot of things that I find other places in art. If you guys do this to, you know, I'll be at a festival like ACL pets, which are big music hustle here couple years ago, and they were doing this thing called silent disco with with different people. Listen to different DJ's with headphones on I started thinking Jesus their away to tie that into public professional learning until it learns fast, we tested this last year. We're gonna bring it back. Those are the same kind of concept where you can listen to speakers exact same time on the exact same stage. But you have headphones on they can toggle between the two of them depending on which one you wanna listen to and the kicker is they can see true. They're listening to them because of the color on the headphone change. So no pressure. If you're on stage, but I'm just so glad that's not. Me. Wait. I thought you're doing now the price. Think like we're just on a cruise, and you know, a lot of times, I'll even crucial. They do lots of different ways to get audience engagement on a cruise ship to get them. Enjoy and have the so trivia nights trivia or a big part of it. So lately, I've been incorporating a lot more like kind of trivia concept. So even when I'm doing professional workshops just did JTC in Georgia. And before I always take that low that happens when you go and do a workshop, and you wait that fifteen twelve minutes before the speaker gets up to talk and everyone kind of soon they're looking at each other looking at their phone. So I started the trivia as people walk in. I starting trivia now just random trivia questions with the audience, and then and then when it's time for me to start all star. But it's of I don't like that awkward silence. So little things like that. Yeah. So I guess in terms of mentorship. There were people individuals early on. And now it's more of like, I look for other places. So another one was Dr dre, and Johnny I just had a documentary on HBO about my kind of crop. You love that. Yes. Oh, yeah. Loud aimed fame. Like, my my my for some reason when it comes to just in general musical trivia knowledge, like nineteen eighty six to nineteen ninety two rap music is like the only thing I can carry okay and do at the top of my head. But which I won't do right here on the podcast yet. But you know, seeing how they just kind of remixed off of each other and vibe off each other. So like Felix talk of you know, who's a Miami. I talked to him quite a bit Adam file who's gonna Atlanta. And it's funny. You know, Mike, you know, all these people from different parts of the world that we're all kind of connected quickly. So we have an idealist bouncing off each other like fort nine eighty you and Mike months. So I started to get to where I don't really get mentioned as much I feel like that. I get the connection through collaboration and getting fired by others an inside and outside of education. So that I feel like that's where I'm at right now career wise, I love that Dr Drey. HBO special. I love I've watched it so many times it just blows me away. I thought I watch it. I love that stuff. And then, of course, the lady who lived here, my boss, my formal ball and informal. My wife bought that I would say give her shout out to see. I was joke that she makes a lot of multi-million dollar decisions at a district level from times. Like, I'm home and go which we do about this. And what does it feel like if you're just appearing on the on the street? What does it look like to you? And she gives me back like, you know, this is a good idea. Probably not so good because I have a lot of ideas. I'll admit it. And not all of them are good. In fact, most of them are. Love it. A so Enes independent school district in Austin is generally regarded as a model for Ed tech. And I know you've been around you've seen a lot of districts and how they operate. What do you think you're doing in your school district? That's different. I think a couple of things, and I would say that you know, when I started out in two thousand and six, you know, we had the kind of what I called the TA D, which is technology attention deficit disorder. You know, where people are like, okay. Here's some back. Then it was like here's a digital camera. Here's the adobe premiere sweeter. You know, kinda threw a bunch of things out and see what sick. And we went one to one in twenty eleven it was starting to go that same route with app like once described as many as we can forget what we're gonna do. And really we started doing the last four or five years. I feel like stuff that set us above most that we really started to think about the thought phone purple uses tech in terms of creation device not just about consumption. We're still wonder when I had and I know there's a ton of Chromebook districts out there and we use Google while we're sweet, but really starting to get ahead of the idea that after not there to kind of put kids on for five minutes and then walk away. It's really about what are they creating that content. And then the two things I would say that we do that's not unique and a lot of district you're doing that. But the two things I would say that we do that makes us that out as. One is we really have a powerful team of educational technologist. We have one on every campus into the high school. So we have nine campuses in two and two of them, which is a massive high school at twenty seven hundred kids school, and it's I would say that having that just in time of availability is unique I go to other districts, and you may have an instructional coach or librarian or someone who's floating around in multiple campuses, but having one on each campus. And so I just hardly ever see that ever. So I feel like the huge win. And then the other side of it. The other thing that we did a couple years ago is the state changed the evaluation model here, and it gives an opportunity to create our own if we didn't wanna go to St. model. So we went and made our own kind of teacher evaluation model that wasn't based on proficiency. Like, oh, check a box. If you touch the smart board today, I think which is what the old model kinda was this is more on the growth model teachers have to identify both individual and team thing. They wanna grow in for the year. It doesn't matter teaching one year. Or thirty years. You still have to grow and continue to to learn. Right. And so I feel like that's really kind of motivated the teachers to seek out help now to say, okay, I run proven this area. And when it comes at technology. That's always usually one that's up there. So they'll reach out to me the reach our team. How do we do this? How do we make it better? So I feel like those things having the one on one person every campus, and then kinda that unique evaluation model all the more districts are moving to it. I love it that kind of growth models, not not a negative that you have to grow the positive. So I mean, speaking of your your team, you brought it up ready a couple of times, and and it's funny because one of the things I've noticed a lot more popping up on Twitter, especially from you or from from kind of your district's Twitter account is references to to you guys working together a lot and that I think is really really cool. You obviously have a pretty damn good team going on down there. So why don't you speak a little bit too to kind of your? Team how you guys work together. And how you lead them in stuff like that. Sure, I'm you know, you're talking about mentors earlier. Sometimes you get inspiration from leaders that. Let's say that you don't wanna be like when I started out in education. I've found a couple of liters. Ooh. Too much top down too much behind closed doors, not a lot of collaborative leadership. And so for me when I got this role of about eight years ago. I say I'm going to start this out by being a pretty much a flat leader, we're gonna be on the same page together. We're gonna live together. Sure. There's times when I'll have to say, no or the buck stops with me. But for the most part, I really value their leadership, and I was at Google the Google plex back in in Mountain View few years ago, and I ran across the two Google Theo's. And they said, you know, our thing is always hire people smarter than you. So that's been my goal ever since that moment of all, right? I'm gonna go out and do this. So we started with an exhaustive gauntlet. It's it's a it's a seven stage hiring processes model effort, Google and Facebook somewhat. It's not like anything I've seen in education. Basically, they people that want apply for these jobs have to go through stuff. Series of different things to get the job. So I know that when we get through the whole process that they really want the job, and they get rated out the highest. They definitely deserved and earned it. And so the team is made up of people some of which some Twitter all stars in their, you know, chef for you. At least Johnson just new book. That's pretty amazing can be on the pod soon. Now, very good. But at least as high school she and I've been working together for probably six years now, she's one of the first to come on board. And a lot of us have kids and the district. So that's another big sell because honestly, these people they can all be my position and other districts a lot of them chrysanthemum came for Mainers. Same thing. Jennifer flood from bastrop same thing, again, people that could be directors and their own school district. So they came to join the team because they they kinda see where we're going in the vision of trying those new things Richland Lombardo's amazing work with drones. You might you would probably get along great. Because a lot of he just started throwing Racing League at the middle school. Actually, I'm gonna check it out next week. So again, this group is just. It's a great team. If for apple two singers educators on the team, and I think the big thing about how we work as, you know, most of our time admittedly on campus. I mean, we try not to pull off that much. That's really where we need to be face to face. But we do we gather every couple of weeks for a couple of hours, and it's kinda rethinks up when we can we'll have after after work meetings quite a bit too. If you know what I mean? And so we try to make sure that we're always kind of connected, whether it'd be professionally or even just personally like how we're doing Howard catch up with each other's lives. And we all live kinda crazy lives. I mean, we all have kids we're all going to conferences and things like that. But our our main job here in the district is still gonna make sure that we're pushing the district for it. And and knowing that there's no ceiling on excellent. So no matter what we're always going to be improving, and these people let me tell you holding a meeting with the ten of them. It's pretty intimidating because all all I can do it. And you know, they'll tear me apart. Sometimes and say like if I have an idea that they, hey. They'll really chewed up instead of back out at me. And I'll say, okay, you know, what I need to rethink this humbling. But at the same time, it makes me better too. So I totally enjoyed I love every minute of it. I've been lucky it's taken me at years like I said to build the same. So it's it's powerful. And you'll see them all in action the summer learned best. So I'm excited to showcase all of them. Perfect. Learn fast, even axes he segue into that. I he disguises what he's doing. So AT X June eleventh to thirteenth, by the way, we're gonna have a registration link in the show notes that I think has a bit of a discount if you wanna come. So tell us give us like the Coles notes of learn fest. Can't tell us anything about the the conference in general themes, kinda key speakers sessions keynotes tell us give us the top down on on learn facts, go learn this is the first real full year of it last year. We were beta. So we we tried out some new concepts seven different things that we had never seen at any other conference or at tech any event and out of the seven things for them were really awesome. So we threw them not so good. So we we kinda trash knows and said okay for the big one. We're gonna bring back out one of which was the final disco. We're bringing that in in terms of speakers while Mike you're one of our speakers this year. We've got people from all over the country, and I'll tell you I'll be on a lot of these people. Our keynote speakers at other conferences, so Monica burns and file feeling checking me too. I mentioned before Steve Dumbo, Shannon, Miller brianna Hodges who's on our team and actually shares an office with me. So Phil Phil very sad for her because you have to deal with me all the time. Our speaker is Zama who does the notes that self podcast, and is a part of the w NYC in NPR's channel. If they're in New York, she's got a book called, Borden brilliant. They came out that really is a great kind of idea about how to balance technology in life, which is something we've been really helping our kids with and also helping our teachers with in terms of when is a good time to turn yourself off. You know, don't check Email after seven o'clock, those kind of thing. So we're excited to have her on board. Julie Wilcox carry Gallagher. I mean Dongo Bill Kyle pace. Monica burn. You've probably heard Lisa already mentioned her Christina Ishmail. Andy march. Nick, I'm just kinda throwing quick the audi- Audrey Claire probably forgetting people, but that's a few topless. So about thirty featured speakers, and then there's thirty people. So that's one featured speaker per person. No. I think it's gonna be about a thousand. I think it'd be about thousand people. It's funny because I feature speaker someone on the teams like Carl how many speakers can you have? I don't know what we're gonna push the limit. So, but these people are awesome. I mean, I appreciate you coming down. I mean, a lot to be doing it pretty much nothing. I mean, it's coming down at helping a little travel, but I can't obviously I can't afford to pay all of these people. It's a it's kind of small homegrown event. So you're gonna have your traditional kind of fitting sitting getting and interact type sessions, but we'll mix in a lot of different thing. So they did this event is in the theme is is ready learner one kind of based on the ready player one concept. So a lot of eighties retro video games. It's kind of the same. You'll see a lot of stuff with that to be a lot of Easter eggs hidden throughout the event both physical and digital. I don't wanna give way too much. I'm trying to think what I can tell you legally the website already, by the way, just a hint. There's either listening to website has Easter on it you have to find them. And then. Then let me think so one of the other things I can tell you that we're doing to other things quick one is as a person that tending. This is the thing whenever you go to this conference. It's the these are great big giant massive twelve thousand eighteen thousand people I always see that kind of same. Look, you know that look at that person walking the halls, I'm silver. Well, there's so much going on. What do I do? It's got to hear this. But I went to four terrible sessions, and I got one good session until it's kind of like Felix, it's kind of like, a WalMart detectors stuff, but you have to kind of pick and choose this is more of a boutique event, if you will really specialize, really honing it down to those great thing that you picked that was here where people go to man, it was connecting clever and with people so we really try to make that the feature of these events. And so as an individual you'll have an opportunity to do some individual thing with infections. But also in terms of earning badges throughout the event, you'll be able to have some clever to team activities we have the mazing race that we've been doing with I've had palooza for several years, but we're bringing that back kind of a remix of that this year, she'll be able to earn some prizes that way. Then there's kind of the larger scale events both on the big stage. We just view this forty nine forty nine foot video wall that we have last year that gorgeous the only one I know of a high school in the country. And I think is massive. And I love putting flies on that thing because it's beautiful look at four K. So that's. I opening when you walk into that into the or they need to up my up my slide deck game. I guess. It's not it's not conventional it's like thirty three hundred twenty four eight or something. Like, this the mentioned weird in we'll talk we'll chat with you about that line. But yeah, so a lot of different things and the other thing I'll say that we're bringing back from the from last year that again, I got from somewhere else. It wasn't from education as we did the what Totten tech challenge and the way that works is you have three minutes to kind of come up with a hot concept, something hot and attack of four you talk. You get up on stage, and you spend the digital wheel. And there's peppers in front of you Pueblo, no hub, a narrow Hala penzo and Toronto. And you have to eat the pepper before you actually get up and pop on stage. And so people have signed waivers. I did it to last year. It was hilarious. But also awesome. 'cause yeah. The out actually get eight three minutes out in front of a large crowd while you're crying, essentially, the whole time. So I'm growing go chilies in my backyard right now. That can be dangerous though. So I don't know if I'll break those out, but no that was a fun where they got a lot of they got a good response. Over to got a couple of people that have fallen tiered willingly get up on stage, and do that believe it or not. I don't think I'm doing it again this year, but someone else can do that. Yeah. Lots of lots of for dinner teacher shark tanks. If you wanna win prizes, again, come up with a concept, something you want to do in your classroom. We'll award prizes for that. By wanted to redo a kind of an atrium part of their high school. And so they pitched the little thing for less than two thousand dollars. If they could, you know, get these large like giant, chess pieces and things like that kind of rethink a kind of dead space the high school, and so they won the shark tank challenge last year, so lots of lots of ways interact over the the three days of the event on for sure. Then, of course, food trucks live band, the traditional kind of stuff that we used to do with. I've had palooza. So I mean. I can't think of a better way to spend the summer early summer for a couple days than Austin in early June. So listen, learn fast AT X is June eleven to thirteenth like we said, we're gonna put a Lincoln the in the show notes if you wanna come and it sounds like you should definitely wanna come. There's going to be a lot of awesome stuff going on. In sounds like a little bit of nonsense as well. Which is always good Carl. Thanks for joining us. This has been amazing Carl Hooper, everyone how can people get in touch with you. How can people follow you on on Twitter? And all of that stuff. I'm at Mr. Hooker on Twitter. Make sure you follow atmosphere for don't go to at Hooker. That something totally different. Same mildly. Inappropriate. At Hooker tech on everything else, Snapchat, Instagram and all of that. And then learn that AT X is is the same Instagram and Twitter's well, so a lot of the events were putting out through that. And that's me, but other people are controlling that account to just kind of whenever we do promo thing coming up. But yeah. And then my the link you guys are talking about it's really get ten bucks off right now, we're doing we're still regular Ed registration through April. And then June eleventh was the pre kind of the professed learn shop the longer have pre event that are happening. But the two main days at twelve and thirty is the big event itself. So we love y'all down. Yeah. Often June in gorgeous, it's not quite super high yet. But we'll be inside for most of it. So if it is on we'll have tens and things outside schools off mazing awesome. Thanks so much Karl. Thank y'all. Appreciate you having me. Thanks for listening to on education. My name is Mike Washburn. Mike co host is Glenn urban wanna get in touch with us at our website at on education, podcast dot com. You can. Tweet us at on education. Pod. Len is at Irv Spanish on Twitter. 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You're getting getting on like getting on a bike. Yes we've been okay. We did the interview already and screw up anything. So I think we're all right so yeah We should start with updates. We you've got lots of lots going on. It's like you know we're backing there's no no rest now So impact education conference is starts to this week. I know this weekend. And we're getting super excited to be able to go and meet all of you guys make sure by the booth and if you have it registered for the conference they they'll do that right Mike Yeah I have no doubt that they can still register conference. You can probably still even register for our podcasting workshop. By the time you hear this you'll only have a day or three to register. But it's seventy five bucks you get to spend the whole afternoon with Glennon. I talking talking about how to podcast in your classroom. You will literally leave with a podcast. WELL WE'RE GONNA command. 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That we're kind of geared gearing up for that and I guess one of the things to put on everybody's radar is the the cool epic games. FETC EPIC Games party that is being kind of hosted by Steve Isaacs and myself Related the two unreal engine and more probably more relevant fortnight in education. There is so much stuff going on with forty-nine I can't share even in half of the stuff that's happening but a lot of cool stuff is happening. There's a giant contest happening right now with a twenty five thousand dollar reward award for writing. Basically writing lesson plans. I mean it seems like you guys know how to do some of that stuff so so come on people write great upset lesson plans. Take a look Through either Steve's twitter feed or my twitter feed or frankly a lot of people have been sharing it but the contest details those. We'll put them in the show notes as well but WE'RE GONNA also put the event bright Link to this epic Games Educator Network Party that's being hosted. There are very limited spots left. I believe it was full at one point which is I mean first off? That's amazing about sold. How I believe that we were able to convince them to open it up for more spots so I don't know what the status is now but at some point point you know we opened up some spots and so you know come to the if you're coming at BTC this is GonNa be the place to be at least on Thursday night? It's Thursday January sixteenth. Five thirty till eight thirty man. Be There Miami. Miami Miami means. Oh listen guys. We're going to talk on Miami Beach. It can't get much better than that. It's going to be cool. The ultimate nerd experience. That's what it should be called in quotes so Mike I was talking about this. You're back and you're from one of the places in the world. Where did talk about a Goto destination? You Know Bugging List Destination China so I was like okay. I gotta ask him some questions like kind of what did you do kind of recap and then you know tell us. What was your favorite things? Thanks that you saw you did or whatever might be your experiences or whatever may be and then I wanna talk about because I saw some of your twitter posts the food and drink and then at the obvious it tell us whether or not you're you would recommend to us that you would go that we should go there or sure you know all those thick so start off with what did you do. All right. the main purpose of the trip was to visit with one of the companies as we deal with. Make Block They are probably the largest in terms of like capital investment in terms of like value of the company. They're the largest educational -CATIONAL robotics company in the world And we deal with them exclusively in Canada so They're they're big and they they basically we We were there for two things. Related to make block They they run what's called. It's a global robotics competition and it's very popular so think like first Lego League So so similar to that in the sense that there's an arena and it's it's mainly it's it's kids And it's it's very glitzy and it's thing it's a big thing It's very popular in Europe and in South America. It's only really early not popular in North America. And that basically speaks to the dominance of I And how popular the first. Lego League is that that make X. hasn't broken through but we're we're learning more about it and Hopefully at least bringing it to Canada Next year so so we went there to watch. I got to watch the finals. The global the World Championship finals of the of the competition from the arena floor. So first off it's the finals for Helen. Arena so about the size of This is GonNa be hard. I don't know what the comparison is in the United States like junior hockey arena in Ontario seats. About five thousand. People are so yeah so it was in a like basically the size of junior hockey arena And it wasn't it wasn't totally full but it was a decent amount of people there and so we were on the floor though which was super cool and actually if you go on my twitter account and go to? I think there's a place where you can go to like like videos I periscope te most of the finals So you can see how kind of school it was. Cool was to be there. It was like about a forty five minute periscope cope That might be worth checking out because it was it was pretty neat to see like the television interviews and like the boom cameras and like there was lights and lasers and unlike a huge screen that it was all like the color color commentary and like every play by play It was wild so so so that was That was kind of the main reason we were there. And then make block had their their global kind of distributors conference conference. It was like a one day set of meetings and and Ramey Gaddis are the the owner of logic academy did a little speech and we actually won an award award. which we weren't seeing we didn't know was happening at all But we won make blocks Best Stem global double stems solutions provider. which is you know? That's a pretty big deal. I mean they have distributors all over the world. They consider us the best so That was pretty ride right. I mean we WANNA they. They gave us a a cash award and we got a pretty sweet trophy and it was pretty neat so we met with a bunch of other folks Partners companies people. We don't deal with people we do deal with And it was so so it was. It was definitely only a work trip. There wasn't a lot of sightseeing And kinda that's would what we were there for for sure. Yeah so as you were As you get to experience any park as you landed in Hong Kong and then you went to mainland China Year was what were some of your favorite parts. I mean that's got to be a crazy. immersive experience yeah. Yeah so It's hard to verbally explain. How absolutely massive some of these cities are I've tried to like for everyone out there. Like especially if you haven't been Imagined the biggest city you've ever seen most people will say something nothing like New York City or La And some people would say like Toronto so the even even La is pretty relatable in this but I'll talk with Toronto so in Toronto There's the CNN tower which is huge And then there's probably about about three or four skyscrapers that are about a hundred floors high which is a very tall building like. That's that's tall. And then there's about five or six maybe that better about eighty floors high and then and then Kinda the rest are in the sixty four high and that's kind of similar to most urban cities that I've I've been to There's Four or five standout towers and then there's there's some mid range and then most but think think about that core that core of buildings that are that are are big. Stretch that as far as you can see in every direction direction I'd like literally as far as your horizon will go and that's what Guangzhou and Shenzhen Look like like when you look out the window window. All you see is eighty slower skyscrapers every every retrofitting every direction. It is a monolith analyst of a city That is the it's the it's it's it's beautiful in. Its weird weird sort of way. It's absolutely stunning to look. We arrived in Shenzhen our first night Very late much later than we were expecting customs going through you. Chinese customs is crazy that scary and intimidating even for lack of better words not fun at all uh-huh through it's like big site relief and then okay we're here and everything's fine. We're not GONNA get arrested anymore but when we got we finally got ought to the the first the first night to the hotel we stay that and you I. The the hotel didn't start until the twenty third floor so like there were twenty three floors before the fifty floor hotel that we were staying in so I was on sixty some odd floor and an eye open these these giant windows and looked outside and I just I just was breathless. Almost I couldn't believe what I was seeing like. It's just like I said as far as you can see eighty four buildings as far as the and they're all lit up like in with like giant Chinese Chinese lettering on the sides. Lots of like. It's like that that core of Manhattan that you think of with the billboards and stuff. It's a lot like that But everywhere in again on all of these buildings it was I take I take. I shared a couple of pitchers of it It's absolutely stunning. So by far my my favorite part of the week and a half or so that I was in China was we did a on. On the second night we were in Guangzhou which is just a just a bit north of Shenzhen so there's Hong Kong and then Chen is just across the river so we didn't even actually go into Hong Kong the city at all we saved in the Hong Kong airport. You take a ferry From Hong Kong and it goes kind of around a couple of islands and right into Shenzhen. So you're in mainland China and you don't even leave the airport so then Shimshon is rate right in the at the bottom right across the river from Hong Kong and then you drive an hour north to to show. We took a bullet train. So I've never taken like rail or it was about So it took about twenty five minutes to take what would normally be about an hour an A half drive or so and it was fast like it was exactly what you think it would be was incredibly fast and everything just flows flies by you. Don't even realize what you're looking at sometimes cream. So but the second or third night in Guangzhou we went right into the city so we were on the outskirts at a pretty nice hotel on the outskirts but we went into the city and again. It's one of these like absolutely massive cities skyscrapers as far as you can see but there was something like so Washington is like the Tech Co. it's like the Silicon Valley of of Asia. So it's very high tack. The buildings are all. I'm very new. Because Chen was a little fishing village in the nineteen eighties. Like had fifteen thousand people living in and now it's fifteen million people people are is So so put the so. All the buildings are less than thirty years old ish Guan show that was a little bit. Different I found it to be more like a capital city. It almost looked like there's so. There's a lot more gardens a lot less or a lot of of big kind of expansive epoch spaces that we walked through the the walkway from the so. They have their own tower called the Canton Tower. It's taller I'm in the San Tower. I believe now at this point. I think it's the second or third tallest building in the world and we went up to the top of it That's where my new. You are my new twitter profile. Picture is from the top of the Canton Tower in Guangzhou and then you we kinda went down and then we took the subway To US space that you can kind of see from the tower but it's it's like this causeway it's almost like the the mall in in Washington. DC Where you go kind of from from the Capitol building to the Lincoln Memorial and and if you turn to the right you go to the The White House. It was very like expensive like wide. I Walk Way a causeway from walking and it was absolutely beautiful And the lights and then we went on a boat tour Of the river that kind of runs through that city and and just the the skyline stunning I've never seen anything like these cities So I I. I've been told that Shanghai and Beijing are the other two cities that are similar But like one JOE has fifteen million people in it. So there are half his many people in Guangzhou as in all of Canada. Oh my behind for context crazy right so so I mean gene the scale of everything. Nothing is small in China. That's I think the one thing that I one of the funny phrases I took away. We we laugh about it eventually because they just don't do anything small everything massive and giant and They're very very proud. That's I think one of the interesting takeaways I have to. They're very proud of who they are. They're very proud of where they're from the proud of their food. They're proud of their lifestyle. Even they're very a lot of them are very proud like in the same in the same way. That Americans are proud Out To be American Chinese very proud to be Chinese and I think that I think that that's a context that a lot of Americans means in me to like Canada. Doesn't have the same kind of flag-waving proud nece that that America has we differentiate on not not quite a bit. I mean that's fairly well known China's very proud of of what they've accomplished and and While I am in no way defending anything that they do that you know we know. We know the bad things that they do. And and and how they Govern and stuff like that but but most Chinese want to show you what they've accomplished and they're very proud when they talk about it. So it's not you can frame some of the stuff in the whole narrative of wanting to prove their dominance over people and like they build towers is because they want to be the best and stuff like that but I think they also just build towers because they're proud that they can and they've accomplished like like this. This was a country that one hundred fifty one hundred years ago. Well you know New York City was building the Empire State Building and there were towers in New York City already. China was still basically a third world country and How far along? They've come to build some of these. These places is is absolutely stunning in a stunning accomplishment and They they really wanNA share with you. the things that they've done and how well they feel like they're doing and the companies are very proud like the people that we've dealt with as far as the businesses are very proud to be you know Chinese businesses and they talk about that in a way that you can tell that they They they want the world to give them some credit for the things that they're doing kind of thing It's it was. There's an interesting social dynamic there there And and there's some weird interesting like so weird tidbit and I was warned about this. Thank God I was warned about this but It is a the thing of pride though when they hand you their business card. So so you you. You're in business. You have business cards. I've business cards. Whatever you you give someone a business card the hand it with two hands? I'm trying to get the hand. It with two hands like they hold it up and they hold each side like that and they'll hand it to you with two hands and then you're expected to receive their business card with two hands and that's it's an and you'll find that the hotels will do that to they'll give you your hotel key with two hands and so there's this weird kind of respect thing going on even with business cards For for being obviously incredibly communist they're incredibly good catalysts. That's that was the other everything that my biggest take my other big takeaway was that these guys know how to do business and you shouldn't kid yourself that they're they are I I I. The conflicts are abound with the Chinese in terms of like They're focused on how many people most people work like six days a week And are working incredibly hard constantly And it's it's it's all of that was pretty interesting that the business side in the way they work in you know them wanting to show us you know the city. The sites was was pretty interesting. Stuff food you want food. Oh boy you're like a guy I made. If people don't know you I I see you as someone. That has a a large pallet as far as different types of food. You're you're into them At it's not even just in the on the protein or whatever might be side that people would be like okay. Of course you know steak and Blah Blah Blah by even on vegetables and other things you're like passionate about food in general so I was like okay food and drinks. You wrote some things like you are like about certain things and in certain things baby you know. We're like amazing so that the first the first night we we got to Guangzhou which which is a lot more. It seemed like a lot more of a traditional place though. Hotel restaurant was very traditional Chinese And and the two fell. Well as we were whistles Ramey and myself and then to the the guys for make block He one of the guys picked from the menu. First off the menu. It was a novel like. I'm seriously it was like easily an inch almost an inch thick and it was in giant book. We're talking like a like a legal title sized paper size book very heavy leg when she put it down when the the server put down on the table. Boom like it's like putting like this the giant Ancient Tome of food on your table because everything has pictures ordering food is incredibly complicated in China Lick even for the Chinese Multiple Times. Did we have people come back in like clarify our orders. I didn't hear what they were. I didn't understand what they were asking but I can understand that they were saying. Okay do you want it like this or do you want it like this not in the same way as we say I'd like the sour cream on aside either like in like these more technical ways they were asking for clarifications on preparation which was wild. That's crazy so I didn't particularly like my first meal in Guan Show I didn't like a lot of the stuff that was dated. It kind of made me mad because I pride myself like you said on being a bit of a Foodie having a pretty open mind But in particular some of the fish preparations were for a little bit gross to me I. Those are the things that I I was having a hard time dealing with And even some of the the the meat stuff was was interesting a lot of the pork stuff that I had was like mushy pork. Like they had like mushed it up with like a Maschera before they put it into whatever the hell they put it into. You know it was in different ways but it was always like like this mushy meat. That really was was like a gelatinous texture than I that I wasn't enjoying very much It was funny. Though the second night I went out for dinner with the same first guy that ordered At the first restaurant but with his boss so a different guy and this time I like I took control. which you know is really strange when you're her I didn't know what I was looking at the pictures and guessing what it was but I took the menu from the guy and I was like no? I'm ordering this time and I I went through and everything is shared like you. You're not ordering in dish for yourself you ordering share Emily Sierra Lights. Yeah Yeah Yeah everything. Every meal I had was like a shared meal type experience. Come in so I ordered seven or eight different things and they bring them out on the you know the big giant Lisi Susan's And put them down so you can spin the table around and grab whatever you want to grab at the time you want it pretty cool And I saw I enjoyed the second meal much more even though it was still a lot of it. It was very traditional Chinese but I understood. You know the preparations and the style and and it was good. I enjoyed it a lot. almost always my favorite parts of my meals. Where were the the way that they prepare? The Bok Choi in particular They I had it about. What's I mean I had it almost every meal for stop it's everywhere But the ways it was prepared with garlic ginger and stuff like that was always absolutely really fantastic and the the FO was awesome. Like I had it for breakfast almost every day. There was like you know how like different hotels else. You'll you'll have like an Omelet Bar Omelette station where you put the stuff in a bowl and then you give the bowl to the to the person and they mix it up with the egg and then they call you. They ring your bell or whatever when when you're omelettes ready or you just wait for it. they had that but with folks so so you would put the stuff whatever you wanted. Mushrooms Bok Choy you. You know whatever and pick your type noodle put it all in a bowl give the bowl to the to the preparation person and they get it together. Friends and crazy I Noodles like every morning for breakfast which was absolutely fabulous What else is really strange? I didn't The coffee coffee was fine but the milk is different. Milk is a lot at least a milks that I had were all like quite a bit richer quite a thicker like like not like a two percent milk. There was like a a seven percent average or your normal like one percent. Two percent milk was like a five percent milk. And you could whole milk which you could tate totally taste the difference. So the food was interesting. the fried rice has were all really good. I had some Chinese Sushi I'm like Sushi prepared. It was still Japanese. But there's there's like a Chinese takeout Sushi and it was all really good. The SUSHI was good. I love Sushi so I had that a couple of times The Food was interesting. I kept saying to my wife. Says she would have hated it. She wouldn't have eaten like hardly at all So if you you have like if you're like a chicken fingers French fries person or like if if if fancy meal for you is Spaghetti and meatballs. China China's not going to China's not going to go over well for you. 'cause there's a lot of fishes with heads. Long them and stuff like Oh yeah so for our audience out there. Would you recommend it as a bucket list item So maybe it's time I'll say this I'll say this I would be fine not going back to China. Now that I've been I woods but it didn't deter me from going to other Asian countries like I would still love to go to Japan absolutely I would Still go to like Taiwan or Korea. South Korea So it didn't deter me from the culture. I didn't find the the culture shock as strong. I I think that other places other people in other parts of other countries entries May Like for example a matron Oh is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in the or or cities in the entire world. That's pretty well known so and I worked at a school. The the the private school I worked at was like sixty percent Chinese So I'm not I didn't find the culture straw shock as strong as other people had warned me And certainly meanwhile I wasn't picking up on the language or anything like that. I was picking up on like tone of voice and style of conversation Because quite a bit easier once once I had been there for a few days Like that clarification. About food for example. I could tell that that was like a a preparation reparation clarification. Do you want the something cooked in this instead of cooked in this. And how do you WanNa dish to serve to you kind of thing as opposed to just like the basics. Excu no can. I have some ketchup on the side. Type type question that you would get in. I would I would suspect that the average person who wasn't used to those types types of cultures who wasn't living in an area of either your country or my country that was used to diversity would have have found a lot of that culture shock? Pretty Strong Coming through customs for me coming through that Chinese customs at I the thinking about this Shanzen ferry was scary as hell like I was sick. Yeah it's got to be there all the all have guns and they're all you know they're all look Kinda mean a little bit and I it was. It was different than going through. You know the customs at at Pearson International Airport in fact when we were leaving going through the Chinese customs when we were leaving with so much easier because I think that there's like an internationalized. Nationalized exiting customs. That's different because they realize that people are going home and it's it's they so they treat them. Maybe a little bit better. I don't I don't know if that's the case but I definitely felt less intimidated leaving than I felt coming in and the company that that our so that I was in the customs area Of the Shenzhen Ferry Terminal was was was pretty scary. I'll be I will be honest. It was it was pretty wild. The part that I was thinking about that would be that I think would be the most intimidating about what you just finished describing would be be how the population density that part would free people everywhere. All the targets were enemy. You're used to you. I mean you. You live near a jacket norma city. I'm not really a city that never wanna live in a city. But I guess if you're from Los Angeles or New York where you live in a big city used to urban life and and multiply that times like you just said timeslot. Yeah and you're used to that what it feels like to be in the middle of this China city city with tons of people tons of things going on that same time that part. I would find superintendent. There is a massive amount of people giant like Unimaginable element of cars. The driving is terrible. Glenn I've never seen such bad driving in my life like I I. They had to lay into Latin America. I had to close to close my eyes. I have actually and I I remember the driving. Being bad in the Dominican Republic as well but I had to like go. Oh crap and close my eyes more than once in you know being being driven around by a Cabbie or whatever it was pretty bad it was scary for those of us that liked to conform. The two rules would stop signs and stoplights yield. Those rules. Don't apply no thinks that's when things start getting a little fishy in our brains especially like the turn signals and the lane. The lane changing was the is the craziest one for me like they would. They would thread needles changing lanes. Like I've never say I saga go from like one lane to three lanes over swiping between cars. We're talking with lesson inch to spare And doing doing died without even thinking about it just not. That's that's how it goes. I was like. Are you freaking kidding me. My My. That's the other part. Heart that Cheryl would have been like no no piece. I would never break. I would never bring Cheryl to to China. I just think that she would engine i. I'm glad that I went and I know that my wife wouldn't have enjoyed it. Yes that's that's now that's a good China recap. That was good good. Yeah it was. It's there's so much and every once in a while I might bring something up later because I'm thinking about it a lot but it was. It was pretty interesting what's next year you got you saw an article the piqued your interest. Yes by one of your fellow Canadians. I think he's a Canadian because he he actually spoke at the impact education conference a few years ago. Yes it was called ties then. And he was one of the keynote speakers Dean Tureski. Can you say Dean Eski. I have to admit actually it's funny We get to meet a lot of people and we know like all all of the people that you know like the names of the people like the Alice Keeler and whatever would consider a lot of these people are friends and Don't get kind of of for lack of better words by by some of these folks anymore. But I totally FAM- void when I met Dean Sh- rescue for the first. It was at Austin at learn fast in Austin last summer and he was there and he's the only person I I ever went like. Hey Dean and then I didn't know what to say and then I totally went in for a hug. I'm like dude. I'm coming coming in for a hug and I don't care and he was like okay. It's like who is this who I what he actually came and introduced himself to me which which was probably what made it a little even more awkward. I wasn't expecting that but But it was dangerous be yes so dangerous. He tweeted and a link to another article from Forbes magazine and the title of that article is called called the myth of jobs that don't exist yet And it's a really good read. I would recommend anybody to go read it as you read through the article your countering several different basically One of the tweet Things you can actually tweet read from the top. Says the idea that any significant cont- portion of today's students will take jobs that don't exist yet is a myth and that's a super hot take. I've been so so so hi. It's flaming hot but as you get to the bottom of the article. That's why he went to read through the entire thing and I'm GonNa cut a preview the bottom for you he actually makes a statement that I think contradicts kind of this whole. There's a bunch of hot takes throughout the entire article but at the end the basically says The schools are doing an outstanding job. Right now number one which I like that part. But then he says something he says and to the extent that any future jobs are in transition or under development velopment schools and students alike are a wise to invest in good foundations of education. But here's one of the things he says right now. We're doing a great job in things. He's like critical reading communication creativity and collaboration but I always think that the premise of saying that were preparing students for jobs in the future. Do you know what I mean Mike. As far as the is the premise of we're hold on. We don't know what those jobs are going to be. But what can we prepare them right now. Well it's these things he talked about at the end. It's the communication creativity all the five CS collaboration It's it's those types of skills. So it's it's an interesting article and I thought it was interesting point especially we just had also had a great conversation with Noah guy so which on a different episode. You guys going to be up to listen to as far as our conversation. But I don't think I actually don't think that we talk about this enough. I agree I I actually. I think it's the exact opposite of what this guy's like depth like tick tick off at the world or yet at you edgy twitter world. Let's because we're talking too much about those jobs that don't existed. Hold us a when I talk enough about those things. Yeah it's it's an and I actually would just thinking back to how I'm not even prepared to speak enough about these topics because I actually am right now. Consuming tons and tons of information I remember just a probably within the past year Mike. People didn't know who Andrew Yang was the guy that's running for president in the United States by right but you told me about him And you said something about His minimum again. What universities you'll be universal missile basic income? That was the first time like that. I had ever heard that that phrasing universal basic income that was about a year ago when he was barely early on the horizon of whatever it might be okay now how yet but not only that. That's how educated. I was about not only universal basic income but the concepts that that Andrew Yanked talks about which is. I'm so hasn't started yet. That on the debate stage. He's actually speaking to this concept about artificial intelligence machine learning and the impact it will have nine ten to twenty years from now in a few in a few years. Here's from it's happening right now. Happening right on on the jobs that we currently just kind of take for granted that you can go ahead and do and one of them that really struck me. I was listening listening to him on another podcast at he was speaking about truck drivers. Yep and if you ever get out of it has yet to listen to Andrew Yang. Speak About about truck driving end. Not only his his capacity for like knowing and understanding that profession like he's actually spoke to truck driver he's there on the ground and then then he understands the economics of it how impactful it is in the United States and then how soon bad job will actually cease to exist on humans is to do and Phoenix and just that one segment he just talks about. He said you don't understand. How many people do that at? How great of a job at axios and how unprepared we all are including us as educators and politicians? Anybody and those truck drivers unprepared for what's about to come down the pipeline. And we do we. We don't have a plan for to be able to take place so when someone one says that we're that we're exaggerating this point. You know that the the myth of the of jobs that don't exist I I couldn't disagree more. I don't even know like I. I mean I'm going with this gambling. Is it because you think that we're exaggerating this point. Because you're wrong I think we we don't speak about it enough. His main complaint. Lean in the article is about the actual numbers in the lack of citation. Like it's it's a complaint about the substance of the like the reports. He's not. I mean you can't argue with the fact the fact is there are jobs that don't exist right now that will exist in the future and there are jobs that exists now. That are going away very very soon. You will and and I think that the reason why this this conversation needs to happen in God bless Andrew Young for and like. I'm not a I. If I was voting in a primary for the record I wouldn't vote for Andrew Yang By. I think that he's his voice. needs to be at the tables in the future. Because I think he's nailed this topic. It's like it's like listening to Bernie Sanders Talk About Universal Healthcare Andrew Yang has nailed this topic this Ub. I idea and a lot of what he sang about. That makes is is is bang on The biggest problem with the jobs of the future sure is that the jobs that are being outsourced. The easiest are the jobs that are typically associated with lower lower education levels and poverty people who work at Who Go to get a job at McDonalds are are getting a job at McDonalds? Almost always mean don't take this. Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. This is absolutely true. Most of the people who get a job at McDonalds or are there because has they don't have a university or college education. That's it's not. I'm not saying anything crazy there And it they are associated with lower lower income levels and levels of you know on the on the poverty scale That has a lot to do with the fact that the minimum wage is ridiculously low so in paying people who work forty hours a week a wage that they can't live on. It's a totally different political conversation right there sure but the fact is that those are the jobs that are also also being eliminated. They're like Hell No. We're not gonNA give you fifteen dollars an hour. We're just going to replace you with a machine. It's already happening ran out McDonald's the yeah everybody my Donald's all the McDonald's and Berry have kiosks. That's what I'm saying. So what are your grocery stores were. I don't even know if people remember I made. I'm forty four. I clearly remember the job of a a person at the grocery store mentally packing your groceries but taking it out to to your car and God damn car. Would they do that now. That's what I'm saying that existed and it was awesome. We also regret now. We're freaking scanning our own damn items guests with that beans though. That's what if say all these people that emits it's one person monitoring six or seven machines as opposed to six or seven people. Plus you know two or three people rotating between lines to bag the stuff and and then you know like you said that the carriers that they had you know This these jobs don't exist anymore and this is going to get worse. It's worth more. You're better I mean depending on the way like you you've frame it I mean I but that's what makes this conversation. So important is that it's only worse. I therefore not prepared. That's right it's only worse if we don't prepare our kids for a future where they were they have to understand that You know these these these jobs that exist now will not be there for them. You're not going to be able to fall back on on on a on a manual labor job because there won't be for lack of better words. I'm not or a truck driving job right. Currently exists. It's one of the highest on on. Jobs is the highest paying job. I think he raided it. That all you need is a high school degree to be able to eighty thousand dollars a year tribuna truck it says is much as I get paid at. It's a great career and a lot of them are self employees like own their truck. The company began to make their own decisions agents. It's a super brutal job rock it's a freak and hard ass job by but you can do it and you can earn a great living a middle upper for middle class living in the United States doing that job until it doesn't exist. And that's the scariest part and that's only one job. The I Andrew Yang is actually talking about. It's crazy. Yeah so I am not. I mean the articles ridiculous. Just in the sense that it's harping on this eighty five percent number. I mean okay. Make the number lower. If that's what helps you sleep at night. Whatever I mean seriously the number is the big? It's the the number of automated. Jobs is huge. We know how you cannot see this because it's happening bening already ready so I mean obviously middle-class jobs that came can be automated or going away. Thank thank God You know these similar studies have also done studies on teaching and education is one of those roles that is not easily automated We we know why obviously there's a personal aspect there's a A touch that that that teachers have you know a personal relationship with students that makes a significant difference difference but there is there is tons of jobs that that are just disappearing and The future jobs going to be the roles that developed the software and technology and the means the manufacturing means to create these devices aces and tools and robots that. That do this. This work I listen I think as long as we work with that mind. I think it's a good future. I listen If we can get people to not have to haul rocks on their backs or you you know the pave things and stuff like that like like manual labor if we can get a machine to manual labor. That's that's a good thing thing The the narrative of being a bad thing is because at someone's job the the idea of the job itself and and someone else and and a machine doing that. That's a good thing you know where it's bad is because someone's GonNa lose their income because they're not doing it so we just need to find ways. This is why universal basic income is important because he's giving people a basic income to offset the fact that these roles are no longer going to exist. I would encourage everyone you know. I don't gang doesn't need to be your Guy It's it's a super important concept so by read it. He knows exactly what he's talking about. GO LISTEN TO HIM ON. I think he was on Rogan. He he gave Rogin gave him like all of the time in the world to explain it. sanders on Rogan is also very good by the way And so go go. Listen to Andrew. Yankel listen to him in the debates. Because he's not getting a lot of time but I think the time he's getting he's using well now And I think that I think that there is a role in Labor or commerce for Andrew Yang in almost anyone's administration There absolutely should be Especially the more left candidates like Warren and Sanders. I am I hope that that his voice is someone that doesn't go away when he inevitably. I don't suspect he's kidding. The nomination So you know. I'd like to see his voice at the table. They'll super interesting stuff when we come back. We'll have the best. We'll tackle some of the best Christmas presents you can give for learning with your family and hand at home so stay with us on. Education is brought to you by fresh grade. Are you spending too much time. 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So so we wanted to get this list in For for you folks Before you go out there and maybe you're thinking about some last minute things And we got some ideas on on if you want to extend learning into your home or with your family These are the best gifts for learning at home and with your family so I I started. We got we got nine there in no specific specific order of preference. And I'll start. I'll give you I'll give you the first. Let's say I'll give you the first three or four. I'll give you the first four. 'cause I I. I started thinking about this from a technology perspective. But I I like where Glenn went as well and I'm all in on all of this stuff I think all of these. It's the nine that we're going to give. You are absolutely fabulous. So the first thing that I thought was educational robotic so a lot of these robots that are popular are available salable at retail especially in Canada. So like it in you can go in candidate to a best buy and buy a dash You can go on Amazon and Baya. Ahah Dash Robot you can buy Spiro. You can buy Speros at a lot of retail in the United States as well And these are pretty pretty substantial learning opportunities. You can have fun with them. You can play with them. They are absolutely toys in in a lot of cases. But you know. We know that they're used in schools. And there's a lot of educational opportunities there and the same goes for number two which was Osmo. So if you for anyone who doesn't know what Osmo is it an APP that is on your ipad and there's a little attachment that kind of goes on the top and it scans it scans down on the surface as you interact with different things devices. There is some add ons and I couldn't tell you what all of the add on's are but eh Osmo is very very popular. You can buy it. I think you can even buy to be honest at the apple store It's but it's certainly available pretty widely Lee at retail as well And fairly inexpensive especially for something that's moderately high tech I'm we were going to bring up playing video games so so I mean Best Gay would never hurt for you. You too bye your kid minecraft And and actually just announced today to to make it not to make timely So this is on on Monday. The ninth of December. They actually just announced that the PS four version of Microsoft is going to be the bedrock edition. They're changing over to bedrock ad rock so so now the switch and the xbox in the PS four all GonNa be cross play and running on the same on the same version of minecraft Starting very soon So so that's actually good. That means that the peace four version is going to get things like the aquatic update And and all of this other stuff as well so Bedrock version is is is the the at least. They're trying to make it the more universal version So that's that's a good good thing so you can buy for anything Now at this point and and get a similar experience across all of the all of the different platforms And then finally I'll. I'll end my four here that I had written down with. I mean something. That's obviously a little more expensive. But if you're looking for that one big gift to give one of your kids. I mean we've always we. I mean Isaac our oldest son has an ipod touch And he's been using that for games in for talking with his friends and stuff like that is an ipad or an ipod is is a great gift you can. You can buy them in the entry tablet though. I don't know why you would want to possibly do that. Hashtag heartache take put certainly any sort of tablet device stirs obviously. I mean. We've talked about this before it's about how you use it. Yes see the idea of getting your kid. A tablet should not be something. That's crazy or something you should fear As long as you use them smartly and responsibly. And actually really treat them like they are which is an interesting opportunity to learn as well yes and I I was thinking about just games that have had really really positive osita experiences with as a family. Yeah so they're so an. I'm talking about specifically about board games. I'm not against Competitive Games at one of these Games is a competitive games but there are times when if fit when it feels like that actually there are winners and losers. It's sometimes times I want. Monopoly has a family. I want us as a family to be able to battle against something in this case the game itself and then either come out victorious or are we all lose ketogenic. That's Kinda Games like if you've ever heard a game called Forbidden Island and there's another game called pandemic it's basically you as the players against the game and you can set up different parameters for as far as the difficulty level super enjoyable experience. I have a twelve year old and a seven year old and then of course my wife Plays an even. My inlaws have played. So we're talking about Cross generational national. We're all playing against his game and it's super awesome deal listened to us as strategize Out from the seven year old all the way through my sixty sub year old a father in law all talk and towards beating the game at Super Awesome. There's another game. That's Mike and I enjoyed a lot and I just absolutely love this. This gives called splendor. It's easy to learn any kid from young age to Adults will have fun playing it. Just a great board games so I just put family board games specifically ones go. Try to find some of those. That are that it's everybody's working together versus working against each other then. I put something random on here. 'cause I was like what are the gifts that my kids absolutely love and I think we as parents forget about how much kids love. All of this is paper paper and art supplies surf and then places to get ideas from which are books We are big fans of dungeons and dragons books just places to be able to let your imagination go wild and then letting them draw things out like your your kids to they get super excited about building level. So they become these game designers where they're just cut 'em writing things out and inventing their own characters. Whatever might be be and all of that hyper immagination super amazing? What a inexpensive cost of? What an amazing things that you can go to do? And they've done so much which with that with paper art supplies and books that just will spark your imagination on a techie side. I was thinking about this lot of times. We we don't give our kids enough credit and me and you know that our kids are actually able to do things that we don't even know that they can do with video editing. Ding and music editing So programs like adobe premiere so not just the cheese. I'm not I don't have anything it's moving. It's great for furnace for beginning entry level thing but if your kid really gets into it you can do so much amazing things with things like adobe premiere pro or music editing editing. My brother is into music and recording music and his son is into creating digital music And they use is a program called Abelson which I've been experimenting with and it's a fantastic piece of software where you can actually create your own music you can edit your music to be can create create your own music. It's fantastic. It's what a that would be an amazing gift for your kids. I say hey follow your passion. Let's go do this and talking about following in your passion. This is was the year that me and you talked about like Ninja breaking the ESPN the magazine Cover and say hey east sports gamers. It's a real thing and why not set your kids up with a streaming setup like teach them how to do it and how to do it appropriately so many videos about that only had to set it up at the. Do things appropriately so that you can manage things the right way so things like needing a laptop computer. A camera might not for those kinds of things. It might be expensive thing but you might already have some of the pieces to kind of get started. And I've seen so many streamers that are really good that to start art with basic like super basics. It's in it's all about them either their thing and their personality to be ironic at gone with I am I actually Isaac's best friend. Alex is getting a A Computer for Christmas and he knows he knows he's getting it So I he's actually It's funny he's actually going to spend the night at our house and hang out with Isaac By but I'm going to build Alex's computer with him on our kitchen table so where he. We're going to go to Canada computers. It's a big kind of computer parts store and buy all the pieces video card the motherboard. The hard drives is everything you need to put a computer together. The case everything power supply. We're going to bring it all back to my house will order pizza you know. Do things that kids do when they when they stay overnight but then But then Alex and I and Isaac is going to go watch we're not we can't build Isaac a computer. It's this kid has been saving like for a year and a half. He's got two thousand dollars so he's building a grand by computer. I feel a little bit bad. But I mean if Isaac wants to save you can buy computer to buy so so we're going to buy all these parts for Alex. Alex is going to come over. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA put them all out on the table and we're going to build this computer right. You know that ninety staying overnight And he's GonNa go home the next day with a gaming high end gaming PC. But we'RE GOING TO I. I explained to his mom the value of teaching kids how to actually build a computer. Pewter victims is such a cool experience like I have bought a desktop computer in over at well over fifteen years. I've been building my own. Desktop computers others For a long time Not only am I saving money but I actually find it fun And when you learn about things like that you can help your family and your friends things with their computers so so I think it was a fun opportunity to do something I enjoy but also you know. Teach Alex how how to build computers. And he'll take that skillman use it. The rest of his life probably Freakin awesome On on my list here I also had something that maybe people don't think about not at that speed musical instruments. Yeah I I watched one time. A music teacher of Zander's my older Sud God and he was probably only by eight seven or eight years old and the music teacher taught them all all the kids how to play the Ukulele and they just played two cords. I think they were playing yellow submarine by the Beatles. You know and I was like Oh God. Yeah that's what I'm talking about uh-huh showing like a six or seven year old kid whether they had musical billtown to whatever might be he got them all. They're all playing this yellow submarine and learning how to strum in hold hold Chord Two chords and I'm like yes so getting your kid a Ukulele twenty five dollars entry. You know a really good one is about one hundred dollars. I mean that's a pretty quickly. Yeah and awesome the play. The neck is tiny. It's it plays amazing that you can really learn two or three chords. It's very easily by holding down one finger fantastic thing or other types. The I was also thinking about maybe non traditional. They're not into. Let's say at Acoustic Lustig instrument like a like a guitar or a an actual instrument like a trumpet or something else like that Things like Midi boards. You may not know what that is. Basically kids could be into electronic music Making their own beats of things so moving them away from a already. Something digitize is it spin made for them so for example in garage band fantastic tool nothing against it but you can actually make those sounds that come out at garage band with a Midi Board as they could learn basically pitch of keys in and be able to go to make their own sounds crazy things or whatever might be able to go out and do something something like Dj setups. Those kinds of things. And then finally I was like thinking about this and it's the thing that being you are are really into basically thinking about just just take a trip to not maybe during the holiday vacations but you say hey we're going to go do this and really encouraging you guys to step out of your comfort zones as far as is typical family vacation places because your family vacation could just be somewhere. You just haven't visited in your local region so there's so many places we don't visit national parks this great places to etc and that those experiences are things that you and your kids are going to always remember Birtwell. Yeah go to twenty. Twenty twenty is the year that that we travel like our family travels more And we start seeing conscious about that Is it Jacob. Neither of them have ever been on an airplane. and scurvy and I think Sheryl's actually only been on an airplane like twice in her whole Both with me if I remember correctly too so I think twenty twenty is like we're going to commit to travelling more as a family we kind of started last summer there when we went to Montreal together But I think we're going to we're hoping to take the whole Family Day Sti which you know is a typical traveling thing is it is Disneyland? I mean the kid like I said the kids have never even been on an airplane Mesa. So it'll be that'll be a pretty radical experience And it's funny because one of the things that I speaking to what you were talking about there Burien -Tario has like one of the best junior junior hockey teams in North America. And I think that we've been to one berry colds game and I've been living here for over a decade mm-hmm so that's an example of something like and it's not expensive ticket vanishes offensive so I should be doing that kind of thing. A whole the Carina. The five thousand. It's just on the road like it's five minutes from my house to go to go to the Barrie colts arena and there's a restaurant in the arena like we could have dinner we can go to the game and probably in and out under two hundred bucks so it's not like you have to spend thousands of dollars to go spend some time away from somewhere with your family. You just got to choose to do it. I think is what I'm finding for myself and my family so hopefully take a trip people. Yeah do it twenty twenty so there. It is a year the trip the year of the trip hopefully So that was the best we got. We got nine nine things and We'd love up to hear what you do this Christmas and coming of what you've if you've bought any of this kind of stuff Weighing let us know chat with us on the on the chat Give some of your own ideas for things that might be a good gifts for learning at home and with your family. I am when we come back. We'll be joined by Rachelle. DNA Post so stay with US on education is brought to you by fidgets. FIDGETS are interactive USB USB sensors that support all major programming languages that make physical computing. Easy fidgets keep the emphasis on coating while increasing student. Engagement and the Best S. part is that you can get started for free right now simply go to bitterly slash fits on education to get your introductory kit that includes a free censor with over fifty dollars. That's bit least slash fidgets on education. All right welcome back to the podcast everyone Rachelle Denny. Both is is a language and stem teacher. Who designed the course? What's next in emerging technology? She was selected as one of the twenty to watch by the SBA. She's a future ready. Instructional coach a Microsoft innovative educator expert and near pod Pioneer Rachelle. We'll be the presenting at twenty twenty on a number of topics around. Ai are in VR in the classroom. Welcome back to the PODCAST. Thank you for having May Day. I was actually trying to think back to when you're on it before it was at. FETC last year live. We were we were in the hall. which is awesome and Are you since you're going to. FETC obviously next year. We'll we'll have you back and we'll sit down and chat again. 'cause those chats are always find they're a a little bit different than these kind of you know for more formal interviews. Those those are a blast. So I'm excited to see you in. I guess a couple of weeks right. That's crazy I I just can't even wrap my head around the fact that like what the date is today. I feel like there's just been this time-warp over the last two months and it's like wait. Did we already have Thanksgiving or like. Yeah it's time flies for sure so for anyone who has a met you or is unfamiliar with your work. Could you share a a little bit about yourself a little bit of your story and kind of what has led you to talking to us today. Yeah I have always is love. Learning and people were sometimes surprised that just you know if I presented a conference and I might present on a topic because I teach Spanish so it might be on assessment tolls or digital storytelling and then some of my sessions are on augmented virtual reality artificial intelligence and the biggest thing is when people meet me. They're like well. How did you become involved in teaching a course on emerging tag or you know involved with steam and if it goes back to long ago as a student I was always fascinated saved by technology very interested in learning and seeing how you know can apply to the classroom both as a student as as as a teacher now but the connection was that with my school they I had gotten a grant to move our library maker space and teaching foreign languages French and Spanish both at the time the arts was me and so that was kind of my entrance into that and at first the first two years I was teaching how invert robots which were my principal asked me to teach birds I really did not know that they were robots? I thought thought that they were in fact the burs on and so it was kind of confusing to me and I didn't admit to him at the time because I I'm not gonna even just going to say yeah. Okay sounds great and then I went on Google did and so that was the first two years and then over the past. I think this is my fourth year with the emerging tech just the connections. I've had with students and being able to work with them and build relationships has just made such a difference personally and professionally. But it's pushed me to go out and keep doing things like learning and going to conferences making connections with people you know educators from around the world because for probably I'd say I keep saying the first fifteen years of my career. I kept myself highly in isolation elation just the choice that I made and now that you know when I can look back on that and see what my life is like for my students mostly now compared to back. Then it's like wow I wish I could go back and do it all over again because not only did it impact me personally professionally but like the opportunities that I could have had for my students so people often say you know well. What's what's your investment? What are you so interested in? And it's just keeping myself going and not missing opportunities because you never know when that one thing that you come across with that one interaction you have somebody is going to be like the one thing that somebody else needs. No and so I just keep going and where I am now I truly would not beheaded not been for an my law school experience because I went to law school. I had a mentor. Who Basically I mean at that point? I probably would have gotten out of teaching but because of that relationship led me to see you know teaching differently the relationship teachers differently and really reengaged me and ever since then. It's just been a gradual growth process. But the things that I'm doing now I guarantee I would not have done. Had it not been for my own relationship with mentor and then building the relationships with my students I'll tell you that mentor. Bid Is is huge. It's big for me too. It's been a huge part of my life and growth as a as an educator I mentioned all the time. Karl Hooker is one of the people that I definitely would call a mentor. I talked to him weekly even now still And it's great because we have so much that we can relate to each other now where like when we when I first started talking to Karl he was already like doing all of this. Amazing stuff and You know I find every everyone should have a mentor. Everyone should have someone that they feel like. They can can speak to in a safe way to talk about the things. They're struggling with talk about the things that they're they're dealing with talk about wanting to quit when they wanNA quit. But then I I needed someone that could smack me around a little bit too. Because I'm always in so many different places in my head Mentorship is huge right. uh-huh definitely yeah and it's not you know wherever you go. In education typically most schools. I believe do tend to assign the newer teachers whether your first first time teaching or new to the building to have a mentor is sometimes those relationships that have been set in place for us and quite honestly what I've noticed is just for myself. There have been somewhere they just kind of formed in. It's not like you have a mentor or a mentor for somebody. It just Kinda Volvos on your connections but in keeping myself in isolation like I had mentors but honestly I avoided those contacts for a long period of time because I was struggling as a teacher and I was afraid of the feedback for people to say to see. I guess that you know. Maybe I wasn't doing that great and now that's something I wish I could obviously go back and change but but that's what we need those mentors forest be able to have somebody to speak to comfortably. That's GonNa be there to support you and not be like. Oh Yeah. You're the worst teacher ever you know but to give you some guidance dance and give you the push back that you need when you need it so you're busy very busy. You speak about opportunities and not wanting to miss. It's the window where you know you could have that chance to to make an impact and I mean I'd like to maybe talk we're GonNa talk about the books in a little bit but you you've written the number of books or edited or like Collaborated with a Lotta people on a on. A lot of books You do sessions at conferences. All over the world all over North America You have so much going on and I'm curious other than that piece that you talked about not wanting to miss opportunities and stuff like that. What drives you to be as busy as you are? I think everyone's one's a little bit different. I'm pretty busy myself. Cleanse extremely busy as well but all of us are a little bit different. I'm curious what motivates you. Yeah it's just I mean. Part of it is just knowing how many opportunities I missed you know years ago Part of it is I mean and I think no matter what we do. It's always going to be the case. God I wish I had more time or I wish I would have done this. And so that's a big part of what makes up my mind set on a daily basis. Is You know yeah. I might be tired tired and I think I don't really want to go and do this. I don't want to volunteer time or do something but then when I think back to then and I think you know what what's what's the difference it's one opportune. I mean who knows what kind of an impact it might have on somebody else on myself. So that's definitely a big piece of it and like I said I love learning I love reading and I'm just curious all the time and so I have a system that I use every single day. That kind of I mean I wouldn't say it keeps me balanced but it keeps me we kind of going and being able to do a lot of different things and that's important to me because I really do want to be a person that has different ideas ideas and experiences. So if somebody's looking for help I might not know the answer but hopefully somewhere along the way I picked up something or I know somebody that can help this other person. If that's that's the case so what's your system. What are you doing? What are you doing every day with how you managing all of this? I mean I do sleep because people ask ask all the time. I don't mean I it's not enough. I'm sure but I've just come up with different like hacks in different ways to be a little bit more efficient. Just I've been really good for probably the last probably seven or eight weeks now that taking taking time getting out of the house after work on the weekends and going for a walk so while I take a walk sometimes I do just listen to music but then I feel like so. They shouldn't just listen to music. I want to catch on podcast so there are certain. PODCAST I listen to. I might be doing an email or writing a blog and a couple of years ago. Jason Redmond saw me at summer spark and I was like pacing in this room. And he's like what are you doing because I was talking to my phone. I said I'm writing a blog. And he said what do Wean is just using the audio the voice and that is huge for me. I mean really. I've been doing that too and it's it's a game changer. John Join me in mentioned that on the podcast a month or two ago and since then like I'm writing a book and I'm not near Enough Don and and it's like it changed everything for me to be able to speak. And then I can go back and edit it later but talking the words has helped it is and you know like last year when I was doing a lot of different writing sometimes I would open up and I might have your brain. Just goes all all over the place ace but I would go. Walk the neighborhood for an hour and I'd come back and I'd have different parts of different blogs or whatever it was sometimes like two or three thousand words granted you have to really go through carefully. And what was I actually saying here. That rhymes with But as opposed to sitting down and typing in writing it and all of that so that type of thing you know just the learning because there's so many opportunities for us to learn on the go now it's not like you actually have to go and sit somewhere. You can be sitting at home watching your Webinar and reading a blog. Because we all multitask. I mean whether or not we're effective at that we know but just trying to catch up and do a little bit every single day or have a routine. When I get up every morning I set aside like a good thirty minutes to just read so I've been trying to read one book every week and just keep that going I read the book? Stillness bonuses the key Glenn Robbins had given that to speakers we spoke at the rewire conference back in October. And I finished reading a couple of weeks ago and it really is a good reminder of like making that time and having some quiet just ping still so it came at a good time for me to read that but it is hard to find balance and to Kinda Eh stop when you get that momentum going yeah so speaking of stopping This is something I struggle with a lot and I think may maybe you can give me and Our listeners some advice on this The idea of saying no has has come up a lot for me. I was with Jennifer our mutual fund Jennifer Kesse tied in Halifax a couple of weeks ago and we spend a lot of time talking about. Oh saying no to more things Because you WANNA be really well for me. It's because I want to be effective really effective at the things that I really wanted to do but I I find that the last year so I've said yes to almost everything And it's it's starting. It's just starting to wear me out So I'm thinking a lot about how I can say no more and what I say no to Because obviously there are lots of really cool opportunities that come up when you you write books and you do a lot of speaking and and The blogging you get asked to to be pulled in different directions so What is your thought about? You know what you say no to what you're saying yes to these days and and why and kind of That that sort of thought process. I'd be interested interested in hearing your ideas there. I think I need to hear some ideas to ask but it is tough because you you know I I really do like helping people and for many years. I wasn't a person people reached out to to ask for because I really what I was just doing my job and I. I was just focusing on what I need to focus on but now I do get emails or DMZ the same as you and we all do. We get a lot of that and I think in. It's hard art again to do this but I really have to look at what it is and the time commitment and kind of Wade out against the other commitments that I have and who they're too you know Something I probably get anywhere from ten to fifteen emails a day most days that are asking for you to read over something or to give fifteen twenty minutes for a call or something like that and you know fifteen. Twenty minutes doesn't seem like that much time but whatever you have like seven or eight of those fifteen in twenty minutes in the same day and I've in some cases what I've done is I've said you know I can't really do this right now. I'm interested posted in it. Could you could you pull up with me. And I'll look at my calendar and I'll find where I have like a bigger window of time and say we have to look at it. I just right now. I have these other projects and demands on my time or way behind on deadline that feeling and say please follow up with me. Because I don't want to. I don't think I can just flat out say no. Oh without at least giving the time to look at what it is or even just quickly glance at something and say hey. Here's my quick thoughts. If you want to follow up with me again and a couple of weeks please do but right now. I'm kind of you know and I'm honest like a kind of overwhelmed with a lot of things because people Glenn tend to know that you're not just saying like nope not GonNa do it but you have other things going on too and so I think maybe that's part of part of it so it's not like maybe they know for now or it's another one that not yet like they know just not yet sought Rochelle you run and participate in so many twitter chats and I feel like I've learned that connected to so many people on chats but for those teachers that are reluctant to join or fearful. What are some of the reasons why you would recommend joining in on twitter and actually joined the chats to get the full experience? Yeah it's funny because for years I didn't want anything to do with any social media. Facebook facebook definitely know twitter. I completely misunderstood you. Know the value in that there were these educators on those platforms. And so it's kind of funny. It's a story I tell the time Whenever I finally got my my account on twitter I think it was in two thousand fourteen and I had no idea what I was doing and I came across a Hashtag? It was widely Ed chat. What and there was some people in there? I didn't know where where they were either but ended up being Tennessee. Here's Pennsylvania. Tennessee chat just was like okay trying to figure out how to work the chat and the following year when I went to Itchy in Philly in two thousand fifteen we got to meet face to face and but we don't really build that relationship over the prior six seven months and having that first experience and there were a couple other chats I was in I was doing I think at the time it was was it sat sat. I think it was a west coast chat. I was like sat chat. WC and so. I was doing that on Saturdays. And I did T- lap and I think one or two more totally not getting. It's still amazed at just kind of looking the conversations now. People were kind of joining in. It can be overwhelming because there are some nights. There's just chats backed back you got like three chests at at the same time but what. I recommended people when at least what worked for me. Initially was finding one chat connecting just in that and just kind of following along or maybe if you don't have some of them that are an hour that's a big time commitment to at night so maybe setting aside fifteen minutes just to check it out with the conversation is you know. There's definitely definitely no shortage of recommendations out there. I have some that. I could definitely recommend that. I'm in new drummer now. Let's see it's Monday. So formative chat is one that I have been doing for probably four years and I'm co host of it every week. It's a thirty minute chat. Seven thirty to eight eastern. Lots of different people tonight. We had a lot of students currently in their first or second year of college studying education and Special Education. So that's always nice again and also some in pre service teachers coming into so that's always good. You got T- lab you got Ed Tech Chat Barbara Gray has rethink learning. I mean I could go through the whole week and then even like on the weekends. It's nice like Saturday mornings. There are a couple of chats just thirty minutes so the Nice Way to start your day. Yeah there's Jerry Sira uh-huh Cyberia men has the whole all the chatter out there too. I think the best advice just find one. Ask friends or just see what's trending pick one and just kind of follow through the hang of it but not do it too much like all right. This is I can't. It's too much to handle. I just for a set period of time just to see how how quickly you can learn and connect so first of all congratulations from both of us about your new book. The future is now and I really enjoy your take on superheroes. And that's what I want you to actually talk about right now and how you relate them to both educators and our students and you state educators are superheroes and. I believe that students are superheroes as well. And you have this take on wonder woman of other things that you describe and Can you just talk a little bit about that. The relationship because I've heard unfortunately the exact opposite kind of take where people take offense to this. I'd just enjoyed your take as far as how you actually see a superhero as a regular person doing extraordinary things for the good of others. That's really kind of your your Turpitidinem. Sorry I just revealed it. Could you talk more about kind of that. Whole taken in your book in general? Can you give our audience like a preview abutted. And so. That's you know. If they're interested in purchasing they know what this is about the wonder woman thing so I mean as a kid you know. That's always what I was watching. I was just fascinated by like here. She is this woman and nobody knows who she is. She just like she's working. And all of a sudden you it just goes and takes care of whatever it is that needs to be taken care of or whoever needs to be rescued. And when I was was writing that I actually came across a sketch note wrote by Sylvia Duckworth a couple of years ago and it was about superheroes and so I sort of kind of peace these thoughts together and I mean for me. You know some of my students. I think they're superheroes because having those relationships and the connections I made with them completely pulled me out isolated experience and showed me You know to be. I guess the courage to be a little bit. I guess braver. Take some risks because for years and you're a language teacher to we want our students to see and I'm the front room and do a presentation like what do you mean you don't want to present in front of this. Is your classmates and one year. There were these seventh graders. They came into a teacher. PD Session Shen. And they stood up in the front of the room and they're presenting and I remember sitting there thinking I've written about this to like. Oh my gosh I I would not want to stand in the front of my peers and I stayed away from in as much as I could like. No I'll propose what's up. I'll pass the papers. I not speaking and that was like the first moment for me where I thought like. I'm asking them to do things I would did. Not Do myself and just like all of that kind of together. gave me the courage to start stepping out but it was by seeing what the students were doing who were just putting themselves out there and like you say about the superheroes there can be that like that negative part of it but I really do think it's the people that just kind of step in when they need to. It's not like they're asked it's not like they want anything from it. I mean that's my perception of it of what I what I consider it to be and you just kind of like just just pick something up or help somebody out and then you just keep going where you're going and it's not necessarily like you don't necessarily have some great caution that'd be cool. I'M NOT GONNA lie. I do have some wonder woman things like right now. But just go about your business and I think it's just like an innate characteristic of quality that you have that you you have this power that could be considered a superhero for whatever your strength is helping to lift others up love that so I just took a look on while you were talking on the website. And you're so I mean this is insane for stuff you're doing. You're doing ten sessions. Andy like Glades League Cleanse Byun at any age you're doing ten sessions and a book signing. Yeah and there's there are some things that are not even listed in there right now and so I stopped psychopaths and a good in and all of these sound incredibly interesting. I just before I left the classroom. Actually I was doing a lot of work with infographics And giant big big graphic design projects with information and data on them. I loved talking but that stuff with my kids near doing a session on Info graphics so I might actually swing by and and take a look at that but I would love to hear here a little bit more about any of these that you're like really geeked up about And and you know gives gives someone or sell your sessions Russians. Let's talk about. Let's talk about these and and and And get some people to come up with doing some really cool stuff at FETC at the schedule schedule is it's it's a little overwhelming How that happened? But it's interesting that type of sessions too because I do have like artificial intelligence. It's in the Ar Vr and then the infographics and someone near Pod and I'm doing sandbox and the Sandbox Jamie Donnelly for a couple of hours on that Wednesday but what I mean. The things that I share are things that most of which that I've done in my classroom of course with my eighth graders some of it also in my Spanish classes because there's a couple of years ago my Spanish to students for like. Hey how come we don't ever get to do this. Like augmented virtual reality cool stuff. Like eighth graders too and I didn't have an answer for that I. I don't know I didn't really ever think about it. So they're like okay. We need to do this and What I've found is we did a project using co spaces and just just? I didn't really know what I was doing with them because I never used it in Spanish class but I got this project together they collaborated and aside from you. Know creating eating something. That was cool like the eighth graders at that time. I was amazed at a year later that those students remembered the content the grammar and all of the stuff because it was dealing narrating reading a past tense whereas vanished tenses and the fact that they could collaborate and work on the same project and I saw them building their clever. The coversation skills skills. You know social emotional. Learning was in there a digital citizenship It was more meaningful authentic. Because they're creating but then being able to look for different things to put into their project in attached the Spanish word meaning and do all those other things like they built so many skills in that but the recall on it. I was like wasn't doing this before. So a a lot of things that I present my sessions are my stories. But it's actual the student work or some of it start. It's my idea like hey here's one way we can use this his tool but over the time that we've used it. My class students have come up with some really great ideas for using it a lot of which came by saying well. You know what not really whatever you want to create is fine nine crossing my fingers well but you want to give them choices but then you know things that I thought. Oh my gosh. I never thought of that. I'd have students come in and say hey. I made my my new podcast center. I did my buddy Mike. What do you mean and they said I do it wrong and I said well? I'm not really sure what you did. And so to do like a verb lesson or to do a presentation Asian for project based learning. These students just decided to use those tools which we had used collectively before to make their own project independently and like that was not anything that I ahead ever thought of offering and so being able to say. Hey you know having skills in something like powerpoint is great but a student can take something that's like a multimedia tool and put all of these different components in it you know that is going to be a skill that they're going to need moving forward so you know my sessions. I give a lot of practical ideas. I show a lot of examples tons of resources available because I always say like. I don't know all the answers. 'cause I'm not an expert on just somebody that really likes to do all of this stuff but can you share and can get Jamie to come in or go and Jamie sessions too because with me in the classroom and she's just amazing when it comes to the Ar Vr to be go back and forth so people come into our sessions. It's not specific to like elementary middle higher education or a specific role. Like I can find sometimes with the help of the people. There are ways to make a connection that somebody I mean everybody can walk away with something to us. So that's most important for me and then like the infographics one one is more than just like one type of thing that you create like. What are the different ways we can use this? And how do they build helps students to build the skills for the future. Sure which. I'm still learning as I go with what I always say. Trying to brainstorm new ideas so I like having a mix of sessions just because I get to do so many different things with my students and I'd just like the share with a do I mean if it weren't for them I would be. That teacher kept in my room for many years ago. So Rachelle. How can people connect with you? Learn more about how to find your book to be able to purchase Tell us anything. That's as far as connection all right. Well I am very consistent when it comes to all the handles and everything so on twitter instagram. My email if you add g mail. It's always R D nine one five which very predictable first name or first initial middle name per se but not. Nobody needs any gifts or anything like that so no worries but I do have a blog site too so same thing it's rj nine one. I five as far as books. They are on Amazon. I actually have my newest one is coming out this Friday the thirteenth picked as my launch date. Because it's called unconventional you know and that has a lot of great well great ideas but it has a lot of ideas. nottage mind but I gathered some examples from my educator. Friends like up what. The projects look like in their classrooms at different levels. They're all on Amazon. The ones from Edgy match on Edgy match. I have a short link. It's and it's just both books and that that was like luckily that was not taken. It takes you right there but thanks so f twenty twenty s in Miami in January and can you can learn about Rochelle's sessions and Still register to to attend at FETC FETC DOT Org. Thanks for joining us. This was awesome. Thank you thanks for listening to on education my name is Glenn Irvine my co host. 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Turning Anxiety Into Agency | Empaticos Veronica Vzquez Ugalde & Adrienne Britten

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Turning Anxiety Into Agency | Empaticos Veronica Vzquez Ugalde & Adrienne Britten

"The presenting sponsor of on Education is participate as longtime proponents of social learning and Cross Cultural Community building. Participate invites you to explore virtual exchange and student leadership as Cutter Foundation International Works to build meaningful connections to the Arab world to become a member of robust community of educators. Visit PARTICIPATE DOT com slash on education on a scale of one to ten. How freaking exhausted are you right now? 'cause I'm like at eleven? Welcome to on education part of the on podcast media network. My name is Mike Washburn and I'm Glen Irvine Friends. We have an awesome pot for you today. We will debate whether Michael Jordan should be considered. A great leader discuss why it is so important to focus on mental health of both our students. Educators and our guests this week are impacted code. Veronica Viscous Ugalde and Adrian. Britain still playing minecraft. Nice Steve Isaacs. I are playing minecraft hardcore on stream on the game. Onstream which is a three p. m. stream on the participate and he almost died today and I almost had a heart attack. He ran into the House with like one heart Latte halfheartedly. I was like dude. Eat ovals he'll bit at. It would have sucked because you know I'm excited about it. I have you sorry. Have you beat minecraft like single player? Have you killed the dragon with people? Yes yes but not on not on hardcore anything. I was playing on Xbox with my son okay. Yes and my father-in-law so there was three of us that that did it. But yes yup single player but not not hardcore but still a regular mode. I guess you go so it does make a difference. I mean as far as how quickly or easily you could potentially die. Um and that was also before they made all the difference Additions where now. There's a bunch of stuff at the end. There's a bunch of different stuffs at at the. Nether you know yeah. So there's there's different items now in different things that you can go exploring and back then. There wasn't the end was a very limited area arena with the window dragon and so so on and so forth but yeah no. We did that. I think I don't know how many years ago it was but yes fun. I'm Jealous I. Yeah Yeah I WANNA beat the game. Pretty bad too. hardcore. That's a different level too because obviously you can't die. You can't Di di Di di Di di you're dead. Yes Yep that sounds like a Yogi ISM that sounds dire so we're streaming it. I would love to beat the game so hopefully we make it happen. Yeah it would be a lot of fun for sure. A lot of fun so chat on Education Live is a thing I think officially. How many have we done now? This would be four three or four. Yeah I think it's been fun. Yeah they're great the great conversations in a different type of format. I liked that other people can join in from the outside and ask questions or comments on things or either provide links to specific things or articles or whatever might be so it makes it like I had said before on previous episodes that it makes it way more interactive. I guess that's the best part an actual conversation conversation between us and also us in our anybody that's listened to the podcast which is fantastic. We try to bring up. I mean we've have had a variety of different topics that we've been discussing so that's had a nice too so it's not just the same topics or conversations we're trying to bring in different perspectives different conversations from our team. So that's fantastic. Yeah totally totally. I WANNA give a shout out This week to our friends John Fallon and Tobias Stabby stabby stabby to buy Fabi Who launched season two of the good game podcast Just today So on the day were recording. Which is Monday And what's really also exciting about that is that I've been working with them through participate To kind of level up the podcast a little bit so they got new music. They got a new logo. And it's officially the podcast of the game based learning community on participate. So you'll you'll be able to Listen to the this great podcasts. From two absolutely fantastic games base learning kind of educators and then Head to the community on participate the game based learning community Which we will link for you in the show notes and and carry on the conversation and have A really good chance to learn from them and learn from each other It's pretty exciting. And it's a it's a decent podcast and those both of those gentlemen are just extremely knowledgeable. That only in game based learning but just an education in general. And so if you want to listen to people who are. I believe right on the cutting edge and a really Well versed in all of the research behind game based learning. This is these are the people so if you're interested in anything that has to do with games and using them in education for sure I would I would tune in. Yeah they take they take pretty deep. Dives on that podcast. I guess like we scratch the surface and sometimes we get into deep dives depending on the guest and and and stuff like that but they they really go into the weeds sometimes Which is you know if you're into gains based learning and you want to learn more. That's the place to do it so for sure. All the power to them so I have a question on a scale of one to ten. How freaking exhausted are you right now? 'cause I'm like at eleven joke man? I'm trying to reenergize myself by doing things that are outside of my screen here And this microphone and and calls and whatever else might be so I I am working on a garden outside. And it's it's labor hard work. No farm together is it now. It's not farming simulator nineteen or started valley razor pretty easy to do a big enough bureau and Garden is a paid in the butts but actually very rewarding and getting me away from this because I think this burning this is definitely was it was an can burn be out as far as just constantly being connected and doing tons of online work is. I think I have heard other people say at the same thing. You know the Zuma burnouts kind of thing I think real I think going and getting away as much as you as you can. I mean obviously people are working their butts off and stuff so you you can only do so much but that's been very helpful for me so in the last probably two weeks. I've felt a million times better by just stepping away middle of days. I'd say I could do that at some later. Point and doing something outside even if it's just walking or playing basketball with my my son's just doing something that's not connected here because otherwise I feel like I am going to have a meltdown and and they will not pretty. There'll be a full all out. Vote Z feel pretty tired. You're on eleven. I'm going to eleven. I I was thinking I was thinking today about it because I was having a good conversation with someone that I work with about needing disconnected. Isn't it's clear like I'm like most days. I get started working at around eight eight thirty and I haven't stopped most days until like nonstop and I'm talking like not even like half an hour breaks. I'm talking like next meeting to the next meaning to close Zoom Open Zoom for the next meeting. Close Zoom Open for the next meeting. I'm going like that and then like lately with reporting on recording like me podcasts. To moment You know it's like zoomed to squad cast zoom to squad cast Zoom Zoom Zoom and. It's like that from like eight in the morning until about five in the evening and then there's usually like two or three evenings where I'm doing something to and it's just it's it's getting a little much. I was thinking about this after this conversation. I had about me personally. I think I need to go away to disconnect like I think I'm going to need to like intervene on myself at some point like I don't cabinet or something go somewhere. I I from Your Cell Phone. Yeah or something. He's got a not be home so I'm going to start thinking about. I'm pretty tied up from now. Until the end of June until the micro podcast in particular is is wrapped up in terms of the recording Which is generally speaking the end of June So I'm thinking like sometime in July. I'm probably going to take a week and I'm just GonNa Lake. I'm only laughing because that seems so far away. What you just said. I'm GONNA go away. That met like this weekend. I'm going to be gone for a while. It's like no July sometime. It's like damn that's a long time from now corrupts by real life. Crops growing digital crops will have been in multiple seasons of making me. Millions of dollars grind it. Oh for a few more weeks here please. It's just so One of the things. I do appreciate about working. Participate is that They were shutting down on Friday. This Friday so whatever day that is the twenty second and also on the twenty fifth so they've basically given everybody a four day weekend go and said you know for our celebration in the United States. Real Daesh I get to which I get the. Today's Victoria Day in Canada. Monday and I had meetings all day like it was not a holiday for me This Canadian worked all day folks But I will get memorial day sort of off but even then like I tried To separate myself from like I blocked off my calendar but before that happened I got well. I mean we're doing. Our interview has shake marketing. We're doing our interview. I mine craft podcast on the weekend of like this coming weekend. And I'm I'm doing the interview with Steve Isaacs on the twenty fifth and I'm doing an interview with Trish Cloud on the twenty fourth so it's like I know like lots like it's just going to. It's really hard for me right now to disconnect completely but I think I need to once. I'm done this this little bit of like this power surge of activity. I've got to actually step away and Or I'm never going to. I just just doing too much and I wanNA keep doing it. And and I'm I'm not practicing really good Stepping away skill so if anyone has any ideas on how you disentangle yourself from your work especially when you're passionate about your work and you like your work and you want to keep working but you know it's not good for you. I could use that sort of advice. Stat so. Yeah Yeah like right away please intervene. Hey tell me about the last day. It's I haven't watched this yet. I have not watched this. I I mean Michael Jordan right. This is about Michael Jordan. Well it's about specifically about all the Bulls and the last year has the last dance that was deemed by Phil Jackson. He's he wrote it on a piece of paper he knew that or on a little. Preseason playbook kind of thing and said tell them well. This is it desire. Yeah he was. He had a one year contract and they said they were not going to resign him Phil Jackson. I'm talking about specifically Michael. Jordan was contemplating retiring Scottie Pippen was They hadn't given him a contract so everybody was basically. It felt it threat at the moment that this was this was going to be so. Why don't we make an amazing ending? What they they've done Mike when you go watch this since you are a person that you were young and spry in the nineties Add so was I. I was in high school through Ed Early College. When the Bulls were dominant. And this is not just a recap of what happened from the first Early Michael Jordan years to you know obviously this last championship but all this footage that we've never seen before it is freaking phenomenal. A whole bunch of footage of all kinds of things that has never been previously released that during the Times they allowed a camera crew especially during this last season to be able to record some things and for whatever reason it was never released until now and then now they do these basically kind of flashbacks to different moments of different things and then they kind of focus some of the episodes on some of the characters. There's one on like Dennis Rodman kind of his journey and whatever happens but it lets you see a side of Michael Jordan that. Oh man and powerful. I mean the guy's not only crazy uber competitiveness which we all knew that that was there but his humanness to about how much he loved his dad and the relationship between him and his father and his father was a killed Just ran in a random shooting and the media made up a story that it was a hit job because of Michael Jordan's gambling debts. And so there's this whole series of things that's kind of happening that we may or may not have remembered as I was. I late teens to early twenties during this time period But not only that. But we don't know the whole story kind of piecing it all together and the coolest part is the there's some discussions on edge twitter that are going on right now talking. About's our good friend that teaches internationally. Dubai what's his name. Jeremy Williams is Yep Jeremy Williams posted a twitter poll the other day. A whether or not Michael Jordan was a great leader and kind of also basically headed. Would you want a one of your administrative leaders? A principle is superintendent so on so forth to have that personality basically was the a great leader and then to kind of a discussion back and forth. It's a great discussion because he is hardcore. I mean to the ultimate edge of hardcore as far as competitiveness in wanting to win. But does that actually make him a great leader you know and so on and so forth so there's a really good discussion do we want? That's is that a healthy thing. You know as far as within the educational realm as far as having this having his personality where it's a it's a personality that says watch me do everything that I can't possible kind of like what you were describing as far as your workload. I'm going to work as hard as possible to be able to achieve this goal and you need to also do the same thing you know. Got To that personality. And if you don't do it that only will I call you out but I will boot you off this team but a lot of his teammates freaking hated him because he was crazy as far as crazy to wed is part crazy competitive to the ultimate edge. I want to win no matter what so. It's it's it's a really really well done ten episodes of it adds. I put right here. There's no sports going on right now. It doesn't matter every talk show has to do with sports as talking about this show. Which is what happened in. The nineties already happened. You know kind of that stuff but really the discussions are happening of like wow. They're so powerful things that occurred. You know kind of the whole thing whether it Michael Jordan was is the greatest player of all time so on and so forth but it really makes them relevance again also humanizes Michael Jordan a humanizes Dennis Rodman who I think is a completely an anomaly. That people either hate or love in this. You can really the really good a good feeling of WHO. This guy actually is ad where he's actually coming from know It's so good it is. I was to anybody. I always thought there was this narrative of Michael Jordan. Being a big jerk. That's the only that's the only narrative I ever remember hearing or reading about especially recently. I don't know if it's come out in response to like I don't know So so What's his name The hardcore his the guy who does hardcore history podcast always says the the the greatest men are always bad men. You know so even like like there's this kind of romanticized version of Alexander. The great for example. He's the one who he brings up all the time. The guy was a like dumpster. Fire like in almost every way he just happened to like win the war so he wrote the history. But like I mean butchering people across Europe. And then like I mean. And he's you talk with the same Genghis Khan who gets like whose edges are completely softened in modern times by you know It was basically genocide. What Genghis Kahn did the Chinese? And the Chinese. Don't forget that sorta stuff they will still comes up all the time When people start talking positively about the Silk Road and all of this other stuff that are result of the Mongolian Empire. They go well. What about the fact that the Guy Slaughtered? You know millions of Chinese right so that that's actually a really good point of overall not the slaughtering of the Chinese but just the overall point of like historically or yes in any general sense. Do the greatest of men have to be bad or slight tinge of evil exempting it about like even our our current president or if we go back just one president ago with Obama actually in American history. And that's Harry Truman. The president who helped lead America through World War Two also ordered a bomb to be dropped on Negga sake in hero Hiroshima. Now I mean killing hundreds of thousands of people like I mean perspective. That's really tough. Decision and a lot of people have the perspective that it was a evil almost decision. But you know that's conflicting but like it's a really good example he and you know if it wasn't for Truman and the fact that he also then after the war basically you know employed people like Marshall the Marshall Plan and stuff like this to rebuild Europe basically after. It was completely devastated. Truman's presidencies helped save Europe after the war. But you know dropping atomic bombs as babs right and it's like you talk about Obama and then you talk about drones and yes that's what I was going to say is that there's some parts that the whole picture. Yeah he's not always as nice and shiny as it's complicated. We wanted to be exactly so it's sometimes every part of the picture is not as nice and shiny agree interesting. The idea of you know most of the great men are were had to be bad men at sometimes you got to. I don't know how more women leaders more women there it is. I agree I agree well and that is the case because I mean we know that that you know there. There's definitely the the women decision makers of the world right now. Are there was an article I just read about? How all the all the countries that are? really doing well. Handling the pandemic are have women as leaders. New Zealand is the one that cited all. The time doesn't surprise me right. It doesn't surprise me either so either political party to by the way I would be. I would be either political party in the United States if we had a woman And it's too bad. We couldn't even make it happen this time again. It's it's quite disgusting that once again. We'll have another presidential election and there will be two white men that will be heading running for the presidency is it's crazy and it doesn't seem like honestly like there's an end to that today into that cycle so it's crazy yeah. Hopefully Biden nominates a good vice president and then has hopes presidency in that sets up that vice president to run for president. You know so. It really matters who the vice presidential nominee is That's for sure Because that person is based it has to be a woman that was getting heat up to run no yeah. He's promised to make good. We'll see. I suspected Stacey Abrams or Elizabeth. Warren seemed like the two. I'm used choices. So we'll see which one or What's the other one Kamala Harris so that was probably the three one two three. I don't know in what order It's funny we talk about mental health almost every episode right now. It seems appropriate We even talk about on chat on education about mental health about student mental health about teacher mental health And and You know another article will put in the show notes just reinforcing. You know the same thing. We've talked about About you know really really having an eye towards Student mental health during the crisis right. Yeah that'd be really stepping up and reaching out to our students making sure that we really do give them an opportunity to the lettuce know as educators as as you know counselors and social workers and so on and so forth to be able to to help them in in whatever ways we actually can And I think a A. There's a huge push for this and I think administrators and educators counselors social workers. Are All doing a fantastic job doing this exactly at so much. Not only just talk about it but there's a lot of action going on with it the part that is interesting though to Mike. And that's the parts that really freaks me out is what you're describing at your work. I believe is also happening to a lot of teachers. They're passionate about their work and they love what they're doing but there's a very. It's very difficult to distinguish between what happens at school and doing the teaching job and what's happening at home and there's it's it were an unprecedented times in general but that is a weird thing. Most people have never had even at the time to be able to think through how my going to distinguish between these two worlds. And we've been talking about these kinds of things that I'm worried about. Educators especially if this fall we start the year for the most part in a virtual environment in some parts of the United States. There's still going to be educators out. There are going to be doing what we're talking about. Which is spending an excessive amount of time working. You know because they already did it before but at least there was an opportunity to be able to kind of like you drove home as you used to drive home when when you were teaching yet a chance to kind of like decompress. Listen to our podcast get home and then there was dinner and you could actually step away and then maybe do some you know some more grading or whatever else kind of final things but then you could put it off to the side and then the next day. You're still at home. You get to do that. And you get the drive to work and it kind of really puts that separation. Even on the weekends I feel like the weekends are blurring into weekdays. So many times in here as far as all these conversations in same what you're describing is a thing that's happening out there and so I think it's going to have a if it's already not having a huge effect on our teachers wellbeing and their mental health. So we really do need to go ahead and and maybe bring on Mandy again and really have this conversation about. How do we start this next year? Let's say Mandy Fair like to have a conversation how we start next year and make sure that we set ourselves up for success for our mental health. Our mental wellbeing. So that was a plug for Mandy above talking to Mandy. We'll just talk mandy anytime and you know. So you're talking about schools may be starting in September Remotely or blend in a blended environment but there are schools that are opening like test is always something going on in Texas. I tell you I was bored there. Yeah it's like its own country wait. It was its own country Mike Real quick. When I was in middle school I was at El Paso. Texas and Middle School Probably seventh grade. I don't know if they still do it this way. As far as the sequence in order but you took Texas history right like there was a history of Texas that I learned at. I swear to you by God. I don't think it was just my mind. Cut a blurred. This I swear to God. That book was super freaking thick because they history of Texas is like a history of. It's a country because of so many different things so many different powers that be that wanted to go ahead and control the air that did control the area so many different clashes of different things. It's interesting that it's very conservative now. I think it's really interesting being that. It's a huge Mexican American population. That live there that it used to be part of Mexico. That's it's a huge economy and very integral as far as the relationship between the United States and Mexico the relationship between Texas and Mexico super important. So it's interesting that in general that it's now one of the places where they're like we're open it up. We're foraging over. Maybe it's not maybe that's like a Texas type of thing where you're like. Were doing this. And it's to we're going to be out to be successful with but they're gonNA open the summer summer classes and I think we were GonNa have somebody that was going to do it. We might as well have someone do it at a large scale maybe learn a lot of different things about what works and what doesn't work and in. May Be shared with the rest of us. I'm just sad that a bunch of summer school kids are going to be you know potentially vulnerable to getting this virus so it should be very interesting. I'M NOT SURPRISED. They are implementing Social distancing measures and doing some different things and I think we can all learn some stuff from him but is maybe not the best way to experiment. You doing running experiment with kids. Yeah totally so I mean God help them. We'll we'll see that's all they guys that's all I could taxes Texas. We got lots of taxes listeners. And I love you all we out high state though. So there's a lot of diversity also text. There's a lot of people that are that one hundred percent agree with so it's not just everybody's not crazy right. Not everyone crazy. Just the people making the decisions I suppose. Hey so listen you go a restaurant and the meals not super good and you can you know you can cause a stink and get your money back. Yeah and you go to a dry cleaning place in you. You'll bring your shirt in. It's got stain on it. And they you know they say oh we can get it out for twenty bucks and they don't get it out and you know you get your money back speaking and that happens in a lot of places if something doesn't meet your expectations you get your money back or or at least get a discount and this is what students are doing with their school with their university. Listen they said this your sucked learn anything and it didn't meet my expectations and I paid a lot of money to come here and I didn't pay a lot of money to come here and then sit at home and watch zoom. I paid a lot of money to listen to or or meet with a professor at genius. Someone who is usually an ex very you know strong at their at their field. You know I didn't pay for Zoom so you know they want their money back yes but like. I don't know if we have the time to like this is complicated. I don't know we have to kind of dig into it. But would you you know. My general feeling is yeah. I empathize with the students. I I understand what's what they're talking about because number one it's very expensive to go to a university And this isn't what they signed up for and universities in the United States. Did actually they canceled classes really early in this process? Remember that Especially in comparison with public schools. They cancelled very very early. And they sent their students homes for for the most part and so wanting a refund for their tuition minute. I can empathize with you though you can still have the opportunity and you still did obviously to to earn your college credits to be able to go ahead and pursue your degree and complete your degrees and so on and so forth. It's an unprecedented time. So it's a time where I don't feel like that's should be where they should be at in so I can do. I can empathize with them. It's like really this is where we're headed. They W- they did. It's the colleges. Did it to to make sure that you were going to be okay and safe. And they continue to go and make decisions based on that This isn't this wasn't ideal. We didn't want it to actually happen. People did the best that they possibly. Could you know like our our good Fred? Connor crop who is a university student at and he's a a I believe is a junior senior already but know he's a junior and he said he hated it and that he takes communication classes and this is not. This can't be what they did at school at the university can be emulated or simulated on a in an online environment. At least not in this kind of quick turnaround so I could. I could definitely see that. And I think it's a good discussion and maybe we should bring on some college university experts. You know Dave Blanchard works at a university We know some other university people and maybe even some college students. That'd be cool to have both of them on their kind of discussion about you know. Should they get their money back? Discussion or hunger games both except it's virtual hugger game so it's not as hardcore. Certainly the stakes would be a lot lower. That's good yes when we come back we're going to spend some time talking about empathy and about what one company and Patio is doing to help. Educators during this time teach empathy and Reflected in their practice go. Guardian Helps Thousands of K twelve school. District's maximise the learning potential of eight million students go guardians products enable productive and safe digital learning by helping educators identify learning patterns protect students from harmful and distracting content and support mental health to sports schools during their distance. Learning transition. Go Guardian is offering free access to their entire product suite until the end of the school year to learn more go guardian and download their free resources about distance. Learning visit their distance learning resource center at go guardian dot com slash distance learning. Welcome back to the PODCAST. Impactful connects educators helping them to share perspectives and ideas of other students from around the world with their students. Joining us on the podcast today. Are Putt ta-chou's Veronica Bascus Guy and teacher Adrian? Britain welcome to on education. Thanks so much for having us so Veronica. I can imagine their number of our listeners. Who aren't aware of impact. Toco what you do and how you do it before we get started. I think we should start with the basics. Tell us a bit more about impact. Go thanks Glenn. Of course on so and product is and was originally conceived as this video conferencing tool that allows teachers to connect their classroom to other classrooms around the world with the support of research based activities that were specifically designed to foster curiosity meaningful connections and empathy among students. Who are six to eleven years old These activities that referring to are basically like lesson plans that really focus on four things allowing children to recognize similarities with each other share personal stories. Of course you know if we think about friendships really sharing those personal stories. That's what really sparks connection appreciating differences and practicing perspective taking empathy skills with one another. Now I say we. It was originally. Consisted this because meatless to say that this whole cop cova thing has really thrown a wrench in and cut costs us to rethink what the classroom is. I don't think when twenty twenty started any of us thought the classroom as we thought about it for years would cease to exist for months. Or who knows how long so we've recently started to rethink potty. Go as at home and bringing home to home connections into the mix which really put caregivers as the facilitators up exchanges and instead of it being classroom to classroom it now becomes a more intimate experience. Where kids can connect with other families and it could be one one or two to one But it's much more intimate and facilitated by the parent or caregiver so empathy along with social emotional learning. It seems to be the topic that educators administrators that. We're all talking about really honing in on these days. Not that it has always been important but really now as you just described as far as covid were really a diving deep into it so Veronica. How about what exactly are we talking about when we talk about empathy? Yeah that's that's a really good question. I feel like when we think about empathy. We all have this kind of grade. Definition in our head and it's good to put some concrete definitions behind it and what research has been showing lately is that empathy is not just this one single skill it's more like a three dimensional skill. The first part of that is emotional empathy That's I like to think of the emotional contagion when we're talking and you feel start. I might feel some about sadness when you're super excited. I feel that excitement joy with you. you kind of catch each other's feelings. That's the emotional piece. The second part is the cognitive empathy pieces the mental process of taking somebody else's perspective. I think lot of US use the phrase putting ourselves in somebody else's shoes but I like to challenge that idea little bit and it's not just stepping into somebody else's shoes book really trying to understand the person as a whole what makes that person see the world as that. What factors influence the way? They think the way they feel on. So it's more wholesome perspective on an individual and trying to understand them and then the last part of empathy kind of combines emotional in cognitive empathy together and puts it into action. It's behavioral empathy. So it's really taking that understanding and the feelings that we've gathered from our conversations or interactions with the other person and using that to one form away that we can help that person in a way that benefits them. I recently read an article in the Greater Good Science Center. Which if you haven't visited highly recommend in one of the empathy experts. They were interviewing mentioned that we often say do unto others as you wish others do but these kind of challenging that you don't want to do was you would like to review. It's really all about the other person's like what are their tastes water their needs. What are their experiences? So it's really taking you out of that equation so Adrian. Educators are bombarded with learning goals and targets and standardized tests and in Ontario. So your urine -Tario educator You know collective bargaining was like dominating. Teachers lives for the better part of the last school year and now pandemic teaching. I mean twenty twenty. It's been pretty awesome. So why in the midst of all this teaching all you know teaching core competencies talking about math and language science. Why is it important to develop or have students develop empathy? Well I think it's super important. That students develop simply because it it allows them to create a strong sense of security within their community. So I think that's one really important thing and it promotes a really strong relationship with other students and other educators and that just that itself positions them really well just for learning without that in itself. Learning can't really occur so I also think empathy really encourages tolerance and acceptance of other people and it promotes good mental health and wellbeing. So I think it's really like everything that their experience in the world right now really thrives on their understanding of empathy and and and how they're going to use that to help other people right now and I mean we live in You and I both live in southern Ontario. Which is like an incredibly diverse part of the world one of the most diverse parts of the world That there is in fact and so I would think that embassy would be big in your classroom teaching in Toronto and and really in Southern Ontario. For the idea that you know You you have all of these students and different perspectives and religions and points of view and upbringings. You KINDA got a little bit of everything in the in the Toronto area. Don't yeah yeah absolutely. And if you're talking about right now a major thing that's happening like we're talking always talking about systemic biases and oppressions and systemic oppression. Stuff and less you look at that from really like an empathetic lands like none of those big topic issues are really going to get resolved. You know unless you have that fanning of empathy so sure absolutely and so. What are the results? Because that's the other thing that even administrators are GonNa to be looking for your principles GonNa WanNa know. Well if you're not spending time teaching math please let us know how it's actually like. Like what is coming out of this. You know we can point to test scores and grades in report cards For for kind of these core courses but what are you gaining here? When you're focusing on empathy as part of your teaching so the project that we did last year within Paddock oh was based on the global goals and The kids would through certain lessons that we would provide the kids. We the kids would develop An action plan to address the needs of the global goals and so we use design thinking process with the kids and like I said. Empathy is at the core of that process and the kids ended up coming up with Projects that like that will address the needs of climate change or that would address the needs of zero poverty or zero hunger and so their understanding of the world grew through this program and grew through their understanding of other people's perspectives because impact allowed me to connect with other teachers around the world. So I ended up doing this project with two classrooms in the United States and one classroom in the UK and so having the kids do this program with other kids and then to get their perspectives on. Their ideas was very important. So that was really really good experience for the kids. Veronica read at the beginning. This pandemic At least on social media and felt like just teachers in general and schools really were making a huge effort to make sure that we met the needs of our kids as far as make sure that they were well fed. You know like a school lunches and making sure that we deliver things and and making adjustments to those types of things and then I think there was a switch where we realized. Hey there's a lot of things going on in people's homes and job losses and all kinds of other issues that we sometimes frankly aren't exactly aware of what's happening at home and now the students are at home all the time and so we knew that there was a need to provide at least something as far as social emotional. Learning is concerned so at a time like this. How important is empathy As far as I could see it now especially being discussed the lots as far as on. It's an edgy twitter. And and those circles but maybe not as far as all school districts as far as putting it a priority on it especially during these times. Yeah that's a great point and I agree. I think empathy now is more important than ever. I see it as kind of the screw that really in times a physical distance keeps US genuinely and deeply connected and understanding the needs of one another whether that be you know from the teacher perspective toward parents or from students to teachers sometimes as well In so many directions. It's so important to really understand that we're all going through a lot. We all have stuff that we might not know of each other. You know. Sometimes we don't know if a parent lost their job or if a teacher is having a really bad day because they're managing thirty students in one classroom room all doing remote. Learning so empathy is just really important to kind of keep us grounded in. You know we're all going through the shared experience but the result of that shared experiences are different for each one of us and that's empathy helps us understand that This is also really you know. Unique moment I think especially for younger generations. It's really astonishing that we all have this really similar and shared experience across the globe. And you know one of the things we try to do it in potty go is that you know what? I mentioned in the activity recognizing similarities like a starting point of building relationships and this is a huge historical shared experience that we are all experiencing and again. I think it's so important to even talk to kids like even if this is what we're experiencing at home it might be very different in another home in another community in another country and so on and so on so we can start conversations about really understanding others and in line with that. I think at least from my perspective. I've heard a lot of talk and desire to help others during this time. You know we all we all like. What can I do for my community? What can I do for my neighbor on? And despite the best intentions always being there empathy is really the key to making sure. That help is what it needs to be in terms of what those were aiming to help need a not what we think they need so I see. Empathy is really critical now more than ever. Because we don't want to be offering help. That's not really useful for some people. I can give a really superficial example but I think illustrates it really well for my job. I am in meetings four to five hours a day on soon all the time and I've had rough weeks I've had good weeks but I'm exhausted. Drained from Zoom And I'm sure a lot of people can relate to that and I have family that wants to connect and wants to show support and like be connected there like let's jump on facetime over the weekend Let's one lakes hang out with happy hour over facetime but I personally I am drain on. Take it on. So that's one really simple example of like it's the best intentions but I personally. That's not what I need to kind of feel better and reenergize so I think we can see that a lot happening nowadays. It's funny we've talked on the park. S A lot about how unique every person's experience is in this. It's it's never like even though we are in a shared experience of pandemic learning and working from home everyone's specific situations completely different. I saw a quote on on twitter. It actually it said. We're not all in the same boat but we are on the ocean. Something like that. Really it really. I really related to it so I just I actually want to add to this too because right now I was really thankful that Impact Co has has introduced me to some other people like. I said I'm with the class in the United States right now and because we started using design thinking to address one of these issues of the global goals we've kind of actually switched our. We've pivoted our focus right now and just like we were talking about all of the kids. I wanted to change They're sort of anxiety into agency. And so we've changed the focus from the global goals and addressing one of those needs while still addressing global goals needs which is good health and wellbeing but now all the kids want to focus on doing a business that will help other kids deal with anxieties of covid nineteen and so. I have three different teams. Going on in one of the teams is doing videos to help their called co video. That's their team name. And they're doing videos. That will help little grade ones. In kindergarten kids understand disability of covid without actually scaring them. They wanted to do puppet shows and stop motion animation and. I have another group who wants to do sketching videos for kids of all ages and levels and then I have the third group who wants to do videos for grades four and five to keep them aboard and buster kind of videos and they're gonNA be on all different topics but this again comes from a place of empathy and then them wanting to do something because they're really like powerless right now if they think about it right. They're stuck at home. Their with their parents can't go out so they feel powerless. So this gives them a sense of of Agency and and they can do some changing some good in the world so Adrian we we know. Our students can tell the difference between educators with empathy. That are working from a lens and viewing this through an empathetic kind of viewpoint viewpoint. And those that aren't You know and we've seen it on twitter and we've seen it everywhere else where there's the teachers that are like. You need a hand in your assignments on time. And they're no no eating during zoom in like just like crazy stuff like that have that are clearly showing absolutely no understanding for this idea that kids perspectives are unique. And every everyone's home life is completely different and and the teachers like just get it they can get it and probably also because they're going through it too and I mean Glenn and I are both Cla. Both classroom teachers. It makes a huge difference to your kids to be in when you're in a crisis like this for them to see the your teaching with empathy right absolutely and I think it's important to model empathy all the time right. The only way that they're going to understand it as if you model I think we also free get a lot of times or social beings in for learning to occur like our relationships need to be at their best and teachers being there for students right now might be the best way for them to learn and they are getting something runako. I was wondering what exactly is impractical doing during this time to make teachers ideas more accessible to educators or you guys ideas to make it more accessible to educators who can use guidance on teaching and learning about empathy specifically. Yeah Yeah we have a couple of things going on. So as I mentioned as a response to go. We launched this broader like go home umbrella and within that we have home home-to-home connections which in of itself have caregiver resources and tips and guides to guy to having those interactions homes. Which I think it's very useful. Because they're very practical tips for bringing empathy to life in those interactions. Of course those are available to caregivers and teachers etc another thing of around and potty go home is what we call empathy hours. These are like virtual meet ups. That happened every two three weeks more or less and the ideas that we wanNA create a community of educators and caregivers not worthy new educators to come together and have a space to talk with each other share resources to how they feel share their challenges their tips and each session. We have different topics as they relate to Kobe. So the first session we had was around wellbeing so we talk more. Broadly about adult will be in kind of touching on what Adrienne said you know. We have to model things for for children and students. When they see us doing it they'll be more enticed to do themselves then. We had another session around. How can we empower local communities ourselves and then build up to having global communities to share knowledge share support and then the last one that we had this? I lose track of time last week. was around home connections and we had a three caregivers were also in product. Educators share the experience and tips around how to do these at home and what works for them and what could work for other caregivers trying to do the same at home so really. What we're aiming to do is to kind of creative space when we can all learn together. The reality is that this is unprecedented. Times unchartered territory for all of us so we really just want to use this as an opportunity to learn together and then more statically on something. That's been around. That's existed for a little bit and we still offer it for free professional development courses which is actually hosted on participate This professional development quarters was created around the idea that students indeed learn a lot of their social skills particularly empathy by modeling what they see in the role model so it's a five course series that starts with helping. Educators built more self awareness around the things that affect how they relate to others so identity biases stereotypes all that stuff so once we have that self awareness then we can turn to teaching concretely empathy and other social awareness skills to students so the latter part of the course now which includes exercises to be done in the classroom has to be rethought a little bit so that we can apply it to the new context but the content is free. And it's there and I think it's still really relevant and we're GonNa be thinking about how we can make it. The exercises doable now and then to this needs to go to learn more about in paddock. Where you gave us a couple of websites but you can go to repeat it again and also where can our listeners? Connect with both of you guys. As far as on social media wherever else yes so to get more around Paddock Dot Org? Everything is there from. Our blog are particle at home and regular pod ago. And then you can find me on twitter. I recently joined the twitter game. That was very hesitant a while but yeah so I'll be there as well. I'm at atmos- Britain one. I wanted to mention that. If you go to participate dot com slash on education You'll actually see a link to the spark empathy community on Within Paddock. Oh So if you go to on Participate DOT COM slash on education. And you can check out everything. That impact goes doing on participate which is Awesome Veronica. Any drian thanks so much for your time today. Thank you so much for having us. Thanks for listening to on education. My name is Glenn Van. My Co host is Mike Washburn on education is part of the on podcast media network. You can listen to this show and many others by educators like Monica Burns. Mike Mattera Tissue Richmond and many more by visiting on PODCAST MEDIA DOT COM. WanNa get in touch with us. Check out our website at on occasion. Podcast DOT COM. You can tweet us. The Education Pod. 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Solving Student Loans | A.J. Juliani

"The presenting sponsor personification is class craft were so excited to announce kleptocrats new story mode which makes it easy for educators the harnessed the power of stories but that's not all have you ever wanna see yourself as a character in the story now teachers and students concrete their custom game avatars and see them come to life augmented reality posters to learn more about past kraft story mode and the new age or experience simply visit class craft dot com this thing where you're coming in the school and then you need to borrow some money and then eventually you get that job but that job doesn't pay as much as you thought it was gonna pay or whatever they five grand a year fern entry level job and you're just paying on that student loan for the rest of your life welcome taunted station i mike washburn and i'm glen urban friends we have an awesome but for you today we will discuss the need to take social emotional learning out of it silos how schools are struggling to teach about slavery the proposal the freest of student loan debt and are guest this week is author an educator aj giuliani so like an hour ago the women won the world cup they did west usa swimming this is sunday and we record on sundays and they just won the world cup and a super proud of them a super proud of their effort said i i wanted to make sure that we took the time to talk about equity in just a we just talked about equity in east sports with steve isaacs but the equity in in women's a in this case a soccer is just ridiculously a a disproportionate there's no equity right now so they they're truly not only fighting for a you know to win the world cup which they have again they're just the super dominant team a draft few decades not even just a decade but the last few decades 'em but they still earned us so much less money in these performances than men do and yet these sport of women's soccer is super popular in the united states is far as a how much viewership they get sponsors and all of these types of things as far as the networks a but we were pulling up some information and basically a when you include all the bonuses ban can earn up to two hundred sixty three thousand dollars a if if depending upon the performance of their team and women would earn just basically thirty eight percent of that income which is about ninety nine thousand 'em not even the same as far as de inequities in professional sports themselves where women are playing professional soccer but not earning a pendant you just had its compared to a man a an even the the usa soccer organization so usa soccer awarded men's team five point three million dollars for losing in the round of sixteen so just basically making it to be to the qualifying round into the qualify to the just basically the brackets basically the capacity qualifiers and into the bracket they wore them five point three million and the women win the world cup and they get one point seven towards basically these programs by the way and the reason why that's important is that those monies go towards basically recruitment and development of you're teams teams and everything else that goes within these organizations so it's just ridiculous thing and you would think that by now and that's what most of these articles are talking about as we were talking about this like twenty years ago and you would think by now there would be equity in and there is not just like in in the in let's call it the real world a in the professional world whatever might be they're still not equity there and it's just ridiculous and hopefully a you know people are start listening sitting and maybe some some people's will step up and then start accede making this equitable between men and women this this team in particular this year's team was really in the news quite a bit 'em because of some of their their stars and being kind of antitrump in all of this stuff so i imagine that actually gave the ratings quite a boost i i i know a lot of people were watching the game today just just base even on my you know my twitter feed and looking at the comments and stuff like that and so you know we know that amount of money they're bringing in is probably related advertising revenue but um you see you know that there were definitely be a boost in ratings this year for sure with all of the you know the high profile 'em women a that are i am a you know quite 'em important figures and outspoken in and really a strong strong women a it's it's been funded a cd the conversation in a b attention put on them and their performance and i'm glad that they were able to come through is is pretty exciting exciting i just love this is my favorite part was my favorite part of the game the most pressure packed part of they a of a soccer game would be that someone would step up for a penalty kick your aunt anybody could step a penalty kick an a rip pino steps up and and makes basically the first goal and basically the winning goal so they went to his ear oh it was they they winning margin there a though you know there's so much pressure on her shoulders not just from routine it's from the united states suck organizations women in general general andy and then of course the media and then of course a trump from his idiot comments that he makes torture and she's still makes the goal which is just shows you just how fantastic of an athlete mentally as an that they all are and that they basically they equivalent of what men are making so yeah you're like yes good for good for them good for her 'em so you know if you were at their speed twenty nineteen it was pretty tough to do not that we needed to but it was pretty tough to avoid the phrase social emotional learning it it it was kind of everywhere 'em in in every product with looking to embed aspects of social emotional learning into their offerings and there were tons of sessions an in speeches and talks related to social emotional learning and now there's an article on ed search that actually referenced it see twenty nineteen in some of are are partners class craft and also just nineteen and how it seems like social emotional learning is really coming into its own as eight eighty a head of god's ical concept we should be talking about a lot right yeah i'd rather than labeling it as like a soft skill it's actually being put at the forefront and saying hey this is super important for the development of are students and we should be a number one like knowing what is this what is sexy mean and then number two how do we go about embedding it into how we do business at school just like what we talk about technology a you know technology integration and eventually we just said it just the way that we do business social emotional learning should be just the way that we do business in schools in the way that we go ahead and develop are students as a whole not just as these students were academically inclined or whatever which is focusing on the academics a so i really love that i love that's a this article was written 'cause we were just talking about this and how it was a great thing that it was being brought up to the forefront and then all of these companies are are are understanding that it should it's an important part of teaching and learning today and that we should carry this forward so it's not what i think is like a you know a come and go kind of thing where it's here this year and then never again i something that should be embedded as far as in are education and educational process processes and then all these companies are definitely following suit we want are students to be able to see themselves and their learning and i think it's been way too slow coming a where we have a tools where that factors embedded directly into them and so when you see things like flip grid for example is a good example probably somebody adobe products where they give you the openness to allow your own voice as a student to be embedded in that product so that you can speak from your perspective as opposed to the perspective you're being being told to speak from this is like it needs to be a core value this is actually what the article even talks about as a core value of the design cycle of product development where students see themselves in their life experiences reflected in the tools that they're using to learn i think that there's no better way to demonstrate social emotional learning then that especially from may technology perspective yeah i i mean we've talked about this i just love a that we are super hyper focused on at the end that we will continue to learn and maybe we could even bring on gas that's what i was thinking like a that to talk about this topic specifically and teach other teachers like how how do we get started with this and how do we make sure that we are doing what we can as each individual teacher in classrooms i was pretty blown away it was funny because i was reading just a couple of nights ago in article in at week about eight social studies curriculum that apparently gets you know used all over the united states 'em as a as a kind of a worksheet sort of curriculum and it had this ridiculous question on it that it for students to view m b b m b business of plantations in slavery through the eyes of the slavery owner the slave owner has made them made them write eight a sentence about be inequity of abolishing the slave trade a based on the impact it would have on thee on on a on a slave master it's it's astounding to me that i even just said those words but then you put in the show notes just last night another another article about almost exact same thing about school struggling with how to teach slavery in how they talk about slavery slavery at school it's it's astonishing to me yeah not being in that article the second article that i was talking about talks about an incident that happened probably ten years ago a an edge basically where ace teacher did played they played a game called escaping slavery and they actually labor some african american students and made them be the slaves i mean it was it just really gross an enemy and basically talk about how that traumatized the specific students a and who is now a senior gonna graduated from high school a and those kinds of things are just i mean you don't come back from that i mean that's kind of yes just really really really on the edge of disgustingness and same thing with that curriculum that you're talking about it's like you think that we would be way outs away from this but a nowhere right in the middle of it so we wanna make sure that we let people reid the articles goals and if they could they could decide for themselves like what you know what is happening here but man we still are having a hard time talking about how how do we actually teach about slavery in how do we talk about the south end what happened then and what do we do as far as the the move forward in you would think that were still two different countries at times a as it's it's just crazy when you see things like this 'cause it's happening and this isn't something old you know these things this is something that happened this past week so it's just ridiculous this this product this some social studies publication is called studies weekly and like i said it's it's being used in california in florida in a bunch of state as it's almost like be official curriculum documents of social studies for that those those those states please friends have some critical thinking skills just because something gets handed to you from you know up on high wherever it might come from please look at it before you you know photocopy it and send it out or scannon throw it in you google classroom where wherever you're gonna put it because you know it's clear that there's some black of thought being put into the sensitivity aspect of of these questions on whether the framing of this should be put up put this way at all 'em dan carlin who is a very popular podcast her in the history space it's his podcast is called hardcore history he talks a lot about how history eventually gets softened in rewritten silver example we idolize someone like alexander the great or even gingas kahn you know instead of talking about how gingas kahn completely destroyed you know almost everybody in iraq in decimated china at one point we talk about the silk silk road and that's what people remember about the legacy of the mongols is expansion of mongolia that created a that fostered the development of a trading route between europe and in asia and we don't talk about you know the brutal brutal 'em war state that mongolia created a and you know so history you know changes over time or get softened overtime and it's it's unbelievable to me that at this point so soon to be honest in the history of the united states and the legacy of slavery are we already trying to soften it 'em so that it's easier to swallow for some reason 'em you know i think that the easiest way to teach slavery every is probably just it'd be brutally honest about it so that you can remember how awful a legacy it is a and then it never gets repeated 'em by police think critically about this stuff that comes across your desk as if it's something that you're supposed to be photocopying and giving your kids 'cause that's right i mean it's not always going to be what you should be doing when we come back we're gonna take another were gonna take another crack at solving student loan debt i think we're gonna get it this time so stay tuned on education is brought to you by to pick my kid when my son was in first grade he was put on the wrong button pick my kid is a product my son school could've used pick my kid is an automated dismissal solution solution the cuts carline times in half engages parents with their parents by being able to change dismissal routines right from their phone friend that means no more front office called pick my kid is affordable for school and removes dismissal stretch where parents teachers and staff members for more information visit picked my kid dot com all right welcome back to the podcast everyone student loan debt in particular in the united states is they they massive issue 'em but it's an issue that is going to be front and center i think in the twenty twenty election finally a centerpiece of an american election and we wanted to spend a little bit of time talking about student loan debt and in particular student loan forgiveness because it isn't important issue the educators it is something that is in the back of everyone's mind and it there's something that's coming up in the election in not to mention that i mean even glenn you have some personal connections said that this is all relevant to all of us and it's being talked about a lot now and so so just recently a bill has been introduced by bernie sanders an alien omar in prime milia j paul i'm gonna get that name wrong but that it was introduced a to eliminate tuition fees at all public four year colleges and universities make community college trade schools and apprenticeship programs tuition free and free a no fee for everybody and eliminates one point six trillion in student loan debt free forty five million americans at some some big bill yeah i mean that's humongous i don't know how far it'll get an i don't know where to go but at least it's like you just said front and center a end it's actually proposed an it's you know whether or not it at passes right now doesn't matter it matters what happens as far as whoever ends up being the president of the united states and twenty twenty hopefully this is something that they can go ahead and go okay we need to go ahead and and figure out a way to deal with this because forty five million people have student loan debt and many many of us have crippling student student loan debt where it actually affects the decisions that you're making in your life as far as where what kind of job you're getting where you're gonna go how many jobs you have to get a whether or not you wanna make a certain amount of money or not a so as far as in my case i can only make up to a certain amount of money before basically it actually ends up working against me a because a that's my my income is is basically determining terminating the payment that i have to make to my student loan company which is just it's crazy psycho stuff so you would think okay maybe i don't wanna take this job because i actually make more money and then so therefore i might end up having less indian because i wouldn't qualify for example for a summit adjusted a types of a student loan payments so it's just insane if that was actually cancelled as it says here one point six trillion dollars in student loan debt just completely cancelled the question that we were putting out there the people's like what would that do for you because i know that for a lot of people that is the main thing that they worry about each day that they wake up they main worried that when they go to bed each night how were they going to what they're gonna do about this and it doesn't go away if you file bankruptcy it's one of the craziest things ever it's it's there's no way of getting away from it so a the only way as if someone goes in and basically does something like this this bill which a and i know i saw some arguments on there as far as where we put it out on twitter as far as against this 'em those people i dunno i mean i know they are you know first thing goes but i would wanna ask him a do you have crushing student loan debt because if you did i think you'd be on the other side of this you know you'd be it could cause what's happening is basically some people are going like well yeah you know maybe we shouldn't do that a maybe we shouldn't just give education everybody that wants it because it'll make it less valuable a i saw that as far as a proposal but the whole thing is is that a we what were currently doing is not working and it's gonna blow up as i mean that's just where we're headed every economist is saying that it just continues to pile up and then so therefore we go cases where we gonna do next what if we can't pay what if we all default is what happens so a at least bernie sanders and representative omar and representative j paul have i have an idea about how to go ahead and deal with this and it's in some of the platforms for other some other twenty twenty canada it's elizabeth warren in particular has a has a plan for that i guess just like she has plans for for everything which is which is good a we did put this out on twitter and there were some pretty interesting things that i always i guess i'm a little bit surprised because because there's there's definitely some sunlight here between m the the way that the united states works with student loans in in kennesaw there are student loans in ontario ontario student loan a the ontario student assistance program it's called oh sap 'em so i have a sap loans still 'em cheryl paid her off a a couple of years ago but i think the biggest difference as far as the actual loans where we we can get into some of the societal differences later 'cause i think there are some differences from a societal perspective as well by 'em if i'm not mistaken oh sap loans are 'em are fit or fixed interest rate of of prime plus two point five so that's quite a bit lower than some of these interest rates are we seeing on twitter i saw someone say their interest rates on their loan with sixteen percent which is great that's that's predatory nuts in you know that's almost credit card that's higher than some credit card interest rates year loan a given by the government it's under written by the government it's it's through a through a bank okay but it's but it's under written by the by the government of ontario 'em by you know this yeah it's prime a two point five so so right now prime i believe it's two point seven in canada so where five point whatever that is five point two percent interest on on her on her student loan 'em so very very small amount of interest but you have i've seen these stories on on twitter of people who because of the interest payments a because of the interest actual loan costs you know it's worth more now than it was when it was given because of the interest by substantial margin even though they've been saying it oh yeah yeah for one year lots of examples of that like twelve years later you ex you owe more than you started with which is just psycho i mean if you could think about that you're paying your payments but now you owe more than you started with which is just i i mean that's that's the whole concept of no interest is far as interest on a loan but this interest that were talking about this is what the biggest the big argument here is this we took i took this loan for my education to be able to do my job better you know whatever it might be able to get a job first and then to be able to do my job better when i got my degree this is about education it's not about alone that i took out to go ahead and buy a car or right several homes 'cause that's what really alone is worth now several homes a yeah and so at the end this article basically or this a proposal also states that basically a african americans latinos and other minorities are basically disproportionately impacted by this so when you have this this thing where you're coming into the school and then you need to borrow some money and then eventually you get that job but that job doesn't pay as much as you thought it was gonna pay or whatever and five grand a year fern entry level job and you're just paying on that student loan for the rest rest of your life a and so it's it's wrong yeah i'd i'd i really don't care what other arguments are against it because nobody that has more than let's say fifty thousand dollars worth of debt right now is gonna argue argue against this i i seriously doubt so if you have that amount of crushing debt right now you're like i need is somehow be able to have this lifted off my shoulders and then be able to move forward an action bernice planet other people's plans a i have say the same thing basically what are we gonna do with that money will were gonna put it into our economy so in the end the uss economy wins how do you actually paid for this one port restarted two point two trillion dollar cost of this bill you put it on wall street and they even have a plan for that a for them it'd be a miniscule amount of money that they're actually going to be paying for them out of basically the speculation the gambling that takes place on wall street so a i think let's move forward with this ad god i hope that we could get canada that wins that is has this out the front front and center a because my goodness that would be a humongous there's so many i mean obviously i said forty five million people that forty five million americans that will now not have that that instantly matt they will be address daily aims v economy i actually wanna i i wrote a tweet the kind of got lost in in how busy it with this conversation ended up being pretty pretty busy this morning when we were talking about it and i wrote something on it that i wanna make sure i reiterate in the pockets as well because imagine trump wins there is actually a pretty solid solid capitalist slash conservative ideology perspective for why we should subsidize post secondary education from that viewpoint as well at least in in my mind and so if it goes a little like this the the single largest benefactor of education just in general is the state the country 'em both in the form of a citizen you know the societal gains the service gains a an be increased income taxes because people you know when they're higher educated they get you know more gainful employment earn more money pay more income tax so i mean there are other benefits to higher education levels in a in a country but the country itself is who benefits the most were paying interest on the loans or your paying interest on loans so you can pay more taxes that's really what's happening here you're paying interest on loans so you can get a better job and go get your master's degree you're doctorates and get a better job make more money pay more taxes you're paying twice essentially to go college so you know if the state has the most to gain from education shouldn't it be the ones footing the bill that's like eight solid conservative viewpoint of this you know where conservatives hate taxes and they i hate money going to like places that it shouldn't go you know and they in joy keeping money in my own pocket kind of thing this is like a solid argument first sub the icing education from the right wing almost most perspective it this makes sense on so many levels i have a hard time understanding these arguments against it to be perfectly honest 'em and it brings me to do what i think is one of the biggest differences at least between kind of like a canadian perspective which isn't unanimously shared but certainly i think the majority of canadians would feel this way if i said that an m what i feel like is probably the majority perspective of of of americans and that's it i am more than willing to pay more in taxes for something that doesn't directly benefit me specifically 'em i well student loan forgiveness and ontario would affect me personally let's assume that it wouldn't i haven't even thought about my amount of student loans is really low i could probably pay it off at this point i just don't because the interest rate is low and so it's it's not like it's creating this gigantic burden on me but i think that there is a cultural perspective that's different in canada that a is this is interesting in unfortunate that i i know for a fact that a if you hold canadians who said you know if you pay tour three dollars more a in taxes every year that would cover the costs for post secondary air dictation to be completely subsidized by this point of view would you be good with that i think the majority of canadians would say yes 'em where i feel like the majority of americans which is i think shifting but the majority of americans would probably no well we know this because it hasn't happened i guess but i really hope that that changes because i think the political landscape is gonna change in that might make it politically possible for all of this happened rankle absolutely no as i mean and this plan is not on anybody's back except for wall street so if you were as a hey hey wall street's person and you may end up losing some money off of your shares but i mean this this amounts of money is is miniscule amount of money that's basically being traded on wall street every single day so a there is no tax you know as far as where this goes and we asked you build that wall street's in the past and that's what basically bernie is saying here and these other k o u that that does just that they owe us but that we've done it before for them and that's that's why wouldn't you do it for forty five million people rather than just say specific companies or whatever might be exactly so i'm not sure if we solve student loan debt in the last fifteen minutes but you know we're gonna keep talking about it because we think we should an hopefully continue the conversation on on twitter 'cause a the conversation has been been pretty great when we come back we will have are good friend aj giuliani what the so stay tuned all right welcome back to the podcast everyone aj giuliani is these director of learning and innovation at centennial school district in pennsylvania he's an author instructor and speaker on design thinking project based learning an eight ton more and he joins us on the podcast today welcome to the show man hey thanks so much for having me on geiger excited to be here and talk shop and just a just get into it so right yeah yeah so so we were talking and just before we we press go that this actually this interview is double probably in league history this'll be recognized for these in the books the longest a we were in where where where we edmonton return but yeah probably about five months months ago in edmonton and i'm like if we don't put this in the damn calendar now it's not gonna happen like were looking at each other's calendars and we bucket right away in a sitting at the bar in edmonton booking dates so there we get it we got it done a lot of little ws women will be running maybe right oh yeah man sarah serendipitous timing so for a lot of folks you know we speak to they seemed all tell a really good story of kind of their moment there aha moment in their careers and it seems when you reader bio that your moment may have came somewhere around january twenty twelve and you talk about that a little bit so tell us what led you to that point share a little bit about your background am what you started to do around january twenty twelve that changed everything in led you to today yeah so i was like the worst ever in the history of reason i kept going throughout high school was a play sports the only reason i went to college with the play sports and a i started my super sophomore year which is like you're third year in college admissions weighed down by one point six gca and i finally got my got my niche with with education took me five and a half years graduate university but i became a teacher i love the whole active getting students and their point nadler quaint be like i just like i just love that that a part of it but around twenty eleven that year when the sooners started i'm struggling a lot as a teacher i did see two words to describe myself were desperate and frustrated i were not desperate to get kids engaged and get motivated and i was frustrated because whenever i tried to do i couldn't get engaged motivated i'm doing consciously learning i'm using technology i mean i feel like all these bonds words of what you're supposed to do to engage kids i'm just doing that and i just wasn't happening so i got called out by friend and a is interesting that winter break i kind of went down one of those like internet rabbit holes that we sometimes go down right and i watched thee a tedtalk by dan pank a called the streisand shit about motivation any any talks about all about intrinsic motivation sections motivation i just start clicking links and rena bunch of stuff and start seeing how this whole idea of a twenty percent project google where they gave their employees twenty percent of the time to work on whatever they're passionate about just the just really spoke to me so january twenty twelve is when i gave my students high school students a great eleven great nine students that point in time 'em eight chance to learn what they're interested in trade something based on that interest document the process and i'm great i'm on it and a after their has exploded and they yelled out there about choice it really got into it and for the first time in a long time i saw students that were excited about learning not excited about the great and so my moment 'em was that i felt like i had found the secret sauce of engagement the secret sauce of empowerment and it was actually pretty simple just giving students choice and that choice led the ownership ownership led to her empowerment and then empowerment most often deep learning experiences but i never could have had in my classroom otherwise and so that was the moment so aj a is this similar to google twenty percent time ms that kind of what you were kind of emulate and you're class of tell us more about that yeah so is is basically just like do twenty percent time in the classroom in google's twenty percent time basically they gave their engineers get paid a lot of money a twenty percent of their time to work on whatever their inch did it out of that honored percent time came fifty percent of google's product school or g mail things we use every single day and you know there's been like some arguments back and forth the media this google's will do it do they not do i'm i've written about that a lot but i think you idea behind it from sergei brennan larry page actually came from their montessori upbringing both were montessori educated and so eucation led to this business practice that led to the education practice it's really it's just twenty percent time genius our whatever you wanna call it just a fancy term for incremental are right which we know is been successful for very long time which is the most natural way to learn and 'em you know there's tons of restrictive laws like other research jones sometimes their research on genius i yeah taught look just look at angry based learning the summit right there lots of it out there so that is kind of i think sometimes in education you know you have to rebrand stopped in terms of the terminology and make it stick and me personally that made it sticks me but it really including one so it going on again about twenty percent time there's a lot of teachers i love the idea of doing this and i've seen some people try yeah and i'm sure that you you're you're actually really good for this providing resources in places where people can go to learn more if someone wanted to start like i don't even know where you would go to actually just get started doing is there some sort of a structured you but there's a model in place for how this works in kind of a night i know that you confirm that satan massage it to meet your needs and your own classroom but where would someone go did just get going on this yeah i mean i i'm a genius our dot com i figured out that rate mount of resource source has a free ride webinar that put on that are out there lots of lots of different stuff but i would say that if you want to get started with it it's increase learn so if you increase eichel if you use the scientific method used engineering design nine cycled used design thinking any of those are great structures to run this type of learning new hard part and i'll be honest with you is if you're going from eight traditional i'm gonna do teach him textbook give me a multiple choice test and then you jump right in twin sometimes juniors are you're gonna struggle is a teacher and sort of students from struck and so i think when it honestly like some project based learning some design a challenge design sprint leading up to it yeah it is needed an something i think people don't often talk about but but for me i think one of the biggest mistakes i made the following year right like the following i did it one year and then i was like this is awesome the following years i started off the year doing it and it was a train wreck like it was urge lou disaster my students were in ready for it i know them yet like there is so many problems with and so i think really being able to to kind of build up that almost kind of trade of stamina i'm gonna if i mean that's a phrase that like that stamina offer for doing this type work is something that's really important because students especially older students and it works a little bit better if you do with younger students 'cause they're still haven't got the curiosity kind of getting out of all of lower students have just playing the game school it's really tough to just like switch that game school innocent and you're playing kickball then all of a sudden they're like hey you're playing kickball but here's the deal i'm gonna throw it instead like you're just change the game and the kids like what is going on i mean i i think there's lots of good resources but i would scaffold gang could fuck waffling stuff on genius are dot com or on my website and then she they structure doesn't really matter what is it could be design thinking could be recycled cycle scientific method but she's a structure what that process is gonna look like 'em and then also just i it's so cliche but i think one of the biggest pieces of it is you don't have to be successful athey at whole point is learning throughout the process process not the final product being something that's amazing then gonna be shared on you know cnn or fox is not about that it's about learning process and i think that sometimes what we met at the huge mistake that we make austin i think in education just we want we want it to be that big finale and prove it on the big finale instead of everything that leads up to that yeah and it's it's something that as human beings we have natural inclination to look at the final product and decide what the learning look like based on the final product instead of looking at what learning actually occurred during during the actual i i heard you a in edmonton talking a lot about that's and this is an actually when we go out on the podcast about a week later i i told glenn how you were just blowing my mind 'cause i i did project based learning a lot a an i feel like i i after i left the classroom now i feel like i'm i missed something something 'cause i did not spend enough time talking about the protests wits with my students about evaluating how they were doing the work and not what they did in cnn what the final result was i'm i'm curious if someone who feels like they they missed the boat on that but has a lot of questions about it for sure i'm curious in your experience how students responded to outcomes that did not produce say an ideal final result maybe where the the protest was great eight everything worked really well in your mind from my from my 'em you know way learning perspective they were doing all of the the work really well but the end result was on what the students were expecting how how do you think students were in your experience how students responded stuff like that i think it takes a little bit of them to get an understanding of what that looks like race or a free students especially older students they honestly could care less about the process they don't care about how they got that matt answer they care more about we've got the answer right and you know and that's in almost every subject of of what that looks like i honestly think it takes awhile and understand that we really mean what we what we say there's a lotta times and i'll i'll be the first one to admit like as a teacher i would say like i wanna see this but then i want assessed that mhm right like you know in a look see the same thing like i remember like my superintendent coming back to school an which you guys would be creative and what should we innovative now bathrooms test scores right and so really we saying one thing but then measuring the stuff in the other thing i feel like the saints in the classroom for a long time i would say hey what you guys the sale right it was like right now ford hey i want you to take risks right i want you to challenge yourself i want you to get out of you're a comfort zone we say all these things and then we just grade i'll be unresolved medically and so for students intel they start to see then you actually are assessing endpoint czars test of the process and that's why why we use the great grew rick and the grid remember it was developed by the san francisco college track and gene stanford dot aarp resiliency eibar integrity in secret tenacity and it basically was developed the say no no we are going to actually last year process into then you're going to care about that in the end that's i think the hard things to the students until tell you actually that's it an if their world is all about points being a given then you need you're points that process right you can't just kind of raising hell yeah and like it's it's very like license siri just say like oh we're just not great anymore and like that sounds amazing and you know we're not gonna give homework anymore and that sounds amazing but we living in this world at least i do where kids take the s e t e c t and work couches still look at gps hey and where that until the university's changed their system of admissions were still gonna care about that is high school and so and so forth and so i think like kind of meeting them halfway insane yeah we are great in the process here's what this looks like and then do and then a couple of times it's gonna take a some kind of understand that there's other people to there's other students were really good at playing the game school now i know they're great at at having amazing final products and so for them that is also hard for them to to make so aj you've written two books with another amazing educator john spencer about project based learning it student voice a choice said design thinking can you talk about empower the book in power at launch and maybe give folks who haven't rather than the main themes of these books yeah so 'em for launch which john and i wrote first word basically saying like how can we take design thinking this framework that has been popularized by stanford these school i so that has been used by companies like apple an uber and amazon all these different kind of company i think this this creative process which is what design thinking is a framework for and how clean break that new case in twelve months right because john and i've been using for a long time and we found it is tough sometimes may take twelve a kind of friendly and so a launch is all about that it's very much a step by step guide it's very hands on by the examples lot those 'em you know take ways for you and then after we wrote launch 'em we we kinda felt were like man we we missed the boat sugar wrote a book for law that talked about the bigger picture of why that stuff is is important in a and so really well let's inner eight right which the whole process is really went to empower which is kind of like 'em basically the premise is that a school is very focused on compliance right teachers who do something you do it and depending on how you do it then you've got a great everybody in education talks about engagement engagement is really high tension in hyde amendment gauge minutes still driven by a person who's in front of the classroom sherman the person who is kind of teaching lessons and when they happen you move from compliance to engagement to empowerment an empowering students is about giving them the skills and knowledge to pursue their passions their future their interest and so that was kind the whole premise behind a power and then we put a lot of pictures in it john's a great artist and we want to really write a book that you could redone the day like that with the honestly early one of our goals like austin clamor somebody that a steal like an artist show you're work and we were like kind of we wanna write a book like that has a lot of pictures you could redone in a day totally understand the why understanding how in wanna go forward into that and we always say we we feel like we should wrote empower first but ashes like mentally that's just how think wow and so yeah those those two books i think john and i were very much you know john was in inner city teacher in a phoenix and i were an outside of philadelphia for a long time and then we both got different roles even faster where you worst new teachers 'em you know i was working as administrators and i'm like what is this look like not to tell people like here's why but also how an a and so that was really the the golfer promoters books is to a sweet teachers in this world hockey plays out do these things so we're gonna put 'em length empowering launch in the show notes world's gonna cause this some this great rubric is what really blew my mind when you were speaking at edmonton to we're gonna put a link to that rubric in the show notes as well maybe just give give our listeners a handle on what you have going on where people can learn more from you if you're speaking anywhere coming up soon let us know a so the people can come in and seek you out how can people get in touch with you online as well i'm speaking in a lot of places you could see on my website at age randy dot com shirt speaking type and you could see a where i'm talking i'm actually working on a new book that i talked about much it's called practice doesn't make perfect over a an all about this idea that when when i for young kids i have a ten year old a seventy five year olds rio and a coach them and all kinds of sports i coached football because the cross all these different types of things and like when you wanna get better something people just like i got practice practice hard is more in a when you look at the research and you look at at basically in the history of how to get better at something out of performing a high level practice was part of course it does but it's not the only thing right you're environment is a big thing hunger around here surrounding stuff you're you're is a big thing 'em the ownership and i'll condom you have during the process is a really big thing and also momento is a huge thing people don't get good at something unless they have received positive feedback and give you guys give you guys have examples you both do this this podcast on education correct yep air and here's my here's my honest honest question would you still be doing this podcast today in july twenty nineteen if you're first twelve episodes came out and one in two people looking to it yeah i've been questioning is probably not right that's how most people feel when they start at creative endeavor or they're practicing something new or they're trying something new you actually don't stick with things unless you get some sort of positive feedback if you're playing video game you get a positive feedback from the game itself so yes right yeah but in lots of other things you have to get that positive feedback from other people right in order to kind of say i should keep on doing this when i first started blogging i wouldn't have kept on blogging i wouldn't have written books on one in done anything unless i wrote a blog post that just went viral magically engagement that positive feedback to continue writing and doing that stuff and so you look a practice doesn't make perfect is is education but his all say bigger picture book kind of ten fiction a that's really focus on just how to learn and perform better and really not just with the research says but also kind of what a lot of history says round that round that process so i'm deepen the weeds of searching that if you if you looked like i'm looking at my desk right now that i have in front of me i'm leaving are like the practicing mind by tom sterner wolf pack by abby wound up by pat summitt town is overrated by geoff colvin right pete by anders ericsson when pride still mattered ocean story vince lombardi user the things ridi kind of like burning myself in as i'm writing this book and it's gonna be different it's gonna be you know a little bit different i think a lot of the books out there but i'm i'm really excited about that project and that's when i was on a deep in right now in a writer miles out of that stuff on age easily dot com i'm getting ready to release say a free course called the science of learning through the practice which kind of all about these things and i've been learning and so that's what i'm geeking about fantastic thank you so much for joining us aj a it's been awesome thank you thanks guys so much for having me on appreciate it keep doing what you're doing thanks for listening on education my name's mike washburn my co host is glenn urban wanna get in touch with a check out our website at on education podcasts dot com you can tweet us at on education pod glenn is at or spanish on twitter i can be found on twitter at mr washburn you can find us on facebook by visiting facebook dot com slash on education sought were also on instagram at on education sought if you're enjoying the show in think others were to we'd be thrilled if you've shared it with them please leave 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OnEducation Presents: Marlena Gross-Taylor at #FETC

OnEducation

20:41 min | 5 months ago

OnEducation Presents: Marlena Gross-Taylor at #FETC

"On Educations FETC twenty twenty coverage is sponsored by fidgets fidgets are interactive USB sensors that? Bring your coat to life. There's no soldering or wiring required simply plugging at fidget sensor coating your favorite language. And Watch your ideas come alive. Digits are used by thousands of stem professionals globally and are now available for computer. Science students simply go to Fidgets on education to get your introductory kit that includes a free censor worth over fifty dollars. That's billy fidgets on education my version of the kiss acronym is keeping stupid. Simple right are welcome back to the PODCAST. Everybody were here. Fetc twenty twenty. We're joined by MARLENA. Gross Taylor welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. It's been so fun being in Miami Number One so for folks who may not know about you who you are Want to introduce yourself. Tell us a little bit about what you do and how you do it absolutely and I need people to know me because I am on a mission. I'm on a mission to meet my boyfriend. The Rock so you're there's some degrees of separation there people can help me with whatever we okay so I'm early and I'm originally from Louisiana and have traveled Just with my family having to move and corporate moves and all of that across the primarily the southeast and been an educator and now five states and it's been really great to see different systems and different environments that most people just aren't afforded the opportunity to work in Because who moves like a crazy person except corporate our military But it because of my journey it has really the platform for what I have done what I endeavor to do better of witches connect educators and to bring in a new era of of leader says a new era of engagement advocacy for our kids in our profession so edgy gladiators is Is My company's more organization and we have a weekly chat of course on Saturday mornings at eight. Am Central Nine am eastern but more importantly it's more than just a Hashtag. It's more than just a chat so we provide professional development For leaders for teachers. I have a core team that I refer to lovingly as my core warriors and Between all of us we are. We were very effective in helping people either. Solve problems are connected to the right people that can help them. Whatever challenges that they have What are the things that I'm so passionate about Kinda started? edgy gladiators to A-. Not so much through all of the moves of just living life but my own school experience and I didn't like school actually told my mom who was a former principal. I would never be a teacher much less principal middle school principal. Are you kidding me? And I've done all those things and more and I am just. I am just so passionate about making that learning experience transformational for students and really instilling that love of learning before we ask you about fit see. Let's go to that thing about not liking school right and then becoming an educator. I think there's something to that too As far as I I came into it the exact same wag hated school And it was not until I was in high school. That's basically one of my Spanish. Teachers told me you've got something here like. Why aren't you taking advantage of like what you already have? As far as like being able to speak the language it really work on. It is being a jerk telling me and that was my freshman year in high school. It really kind of turned things around for me eventually. Again I became a teacher at I'd be He became Kinda my mentor and I became a Spanish like him. But there's something to that as far as being able to then see school through a different Lens then and not always see it through the lens of like schools awesome and great and whatever might be at said. It's like we. We have to see it through our kids as Lens and then be able to go ahead and have empathy on their end and be able to make decisions whether it be at the principal level or is just as a teacher To be able to support them and know that school isn't always the greatest place every we can continue to work to make it brother so my my hatred for school really about probably more so the institution. I was very good at playing school right Because I didn't want my mom or my dad to Whitney from Louisiana so I didn't want to within my brothers took them a little longer to learn that part of it but So I was good at playing school and I do learning but it just wasn't nurtured there. Yeah so part of my I think just part of WHO I am is. I want to be part of the solution not the problem so even though I ran away. Try To do other things around Anything else being a teacher and an educator when you have kids of your own it gives you perspective and when I had my kids then I was like well. I don't want to mess them up so I really want to know what they need to know. So I can be the best parent because they come with the manual babies. Don't come with that. I don't know where that is dot com so that kind of started as as I think. There's a couple of other people sitting around the table as a father. I'd love a manual online. Kids guys right. That would be a great. Did you love her for sure? You won't you won't hear it out until they leave when you're an empty. Nester that gave me. That was my motivation. And that gave me the the desire to want to learn more and even with that ED already finish. Lsu and it wasn't in education right. I was doing something else in the totally different field and then I did a career switch right then and there and didn't think twice about it and I remember. I remember right before the bill I was I was. I'm out certified before I went back to get my masters so I had not taken any education classes and undermined temporary license in the process of doing that while I was teaching the bills about terrain. I'm Matt to have a classroom of eighth graders right. Yeah that's tough and I get nervous and I call my mom. Call my Momma and say what do I do wooded I get myself into. She so common she said you teach them how you wish he would have been taught us and that was all. I needed That was all I needed. And so I- approach everything in that way and I did not. I wasn't gifted so I don't even know what a regular classroom really looked like outside of pe in social studies because those are the only classes that had with the rest of my peers and But it did matter I taught and I continue to teach how I wished I would have been tied and I think if we start. There are like that too right. Yeah me too. I hated school to brain and you know but no I have these opportunities like with games based learning which I wasn't around when I was a Calabash. Now right in video games in education which you know you teach. You tried to do that in the eighties. Right would've would've been almost impossible but also been laughed at pretty ridiculously Know but we try a totally tried to do that kind of stuff. Because I know that that's what would have got me in school absolutely so that's awesome very cool. Yeah Yeah so we're here at EPI and we'd like to hear what you're presenting on. Yes inspirational things that maybe you saw here. Listen to yeah so presented on just really an extension of what? I just shared right things that I wish that I would have had in a classroom when I was teaching. And then how do we help people that are celebrating their twenty eighth birthday again and again and again like I do? How do we help? Yeah with our with our kids who are of a different generation right generation Z. So my sessions were a mix of balance with the tech and shared in a way like to say my version of the kiss. Aker now is keep it stupid. Simple right because it has to be that simple especially depending on where your comfort level is with tech or your generation or your thoughts around that it has to be presented in a way where people feel comfortable and safe adults just because we're not fearless generation Z. Like we won't just press a button because we don't want it to mess up our break. Anything so being able to have a safe space where educators can learn from each other and explorer about. What are these tools but in the same vein? How the balance because you do? We don't want our kids to be weird either so they need to talk to each other. They need to interact with each other. Offline right so how do we make sure they have those interpersonal skills? How do we build that into our classroom? How do we balance the high with Midtech the low tech to the not? You have a session that you did that. I'd love to know more about because I didn't get to it but I think that all of us would be fascinated to to hear how to brand schools like 'cause we've kind of. We've talked a little bit about some stuff. I don't know if it's I wasn't you're such as one of the things that we talked about on the podcast. Even recently was like schools being like different aspects of school being sponsored by companies in different ways. Like if you're What would we a good example of what we had that example? Where like you have this computer science room? And you're doing games based learning videos and education like like our friend. Steve Isaacs does and you get support from a company. Like maybe like epic games or something like that who can help you and build up your infrastructure and stuff like that. I don't know if that's what you were talking about. But certainly this kind of session is super interesting. I'd love to hear about your session. How to brand schools like startup absolutely so So I have a new book. That will be coming out. Nice on February twenty. It doesn't even mention it in the dozen so the new way twenty-first good job guys brandon like a startup Is coming out and it's how to tell your story with the same strategies of a startup company so I've been in Nashville for like eleven years and that's like the hot spot and it is also what people may not know outside of the country music and Broadway like we really do stuff there It is the hub of of being an entrepreneur there so they have an entrepreneur center The schools around the area In the surrounding counties they really push student entrepreneurship in. What is that? Look like because that is the culture of the workforce too so when I moved there eleven years ago when I went into leadership that became a really important piece is. How do you tell that story? How do you use strategies? How do I learn from these companies whether that sponsorships which is a huge because schools don't have enough money so being fearless and having those sponsorships right To support classrooms are to do something really cool in even if it's a university because national has a ton of universities right they're having those partnerships to be able to sponsor. Those types of things is important and so I talk about. How do you do that? That's building community. Authentically right there right and then also spent some time in marketing. So as I mentioned before my we've talked about that on the podcast. Glenn's district has done some good marketing work. Yeah so my degree is not my initial degrees not in education right. It's actually in psychology and my husband is his marketing. He's done that at a really high level. So I've gleaned some tips from him as had no choice but to learn some things and what I realize is. You can't control your story if you don't tell it just right. And then we have to be intentional and our marketing and our marketing strategies and again had to keep a stupid simple because the folks that were asking to do these things. Their degrees not in marketing their educator. So how do we get them in a place? How do we give them resources? How do we automate a lot of this process? Because they are busy so they can tell their story effectively. How do we bring in our students to help? Tell that story right. Yes so my book is truly a guide and how to do that. How do you do a social media audit? How do you have a content calendar? How do you provide automation for that? How do you even select which social media platform? You even need to use much less often to you post. And what do you post so we take a really deep dive into into that? How do we use social media for our professional development because again there's no money? There's no money tree outside of any district out yet to find that true. So how do we use some of these things that are right there with this that if we're not in this generation we're not John's ears? We don't naturally know are we'll go to that and then if it's not our background or training how do we? How do we coach our staff up to be able to do that? Awesome and that book comes out when February. Twenty first priority now In order to give us the link we're going to put it in the show notes phenomenal. I'm excited I'd be excited to read. Because we're we're super interested in actually. Yeah I mean we want to go ahead and read that and then have you. We have you on a full episode to be able to talk specifically about the book. Because I think it's a it's a thing that's been neglected. Obviously by a lot of districts and we have found out just in my local district that because we have neglected sending out that specific message people will create that message for you and I. I guarantee that that message is a negative one. It has a negative tone has something that's against. Whatever it is that you're trying to do on our case it was trying to pass a referendum to get it has to be able to go ahead and basically ask the community stakeholders for money to be able to go ahead and improve the build a new school in this case an elementary was falling apart. And if you can't basically markets and you don't know where to start and you're not actually doing it on a consistent basis what you're actually talking about. You will lose those those votes will end up costing the school. I mean it it. It's all about those funding dollars and those kinds of things and then beyond that. That's really why I want to make sure we read. This book is to make sure that we can do this on a consistent basis. It's not just those times we're asking for things it's more like here's our stories that we're sharing an all the things that are happening. Not only for parents. Because we do that. I think okay for parents. But how all of those other stakeholders all the taxpayers that are that are basically helping to fund the School Tolan. Even our students We talk a lot about that too. how we want to be connected with their students and so in in my book. I talk about how important those those marketing aspect. Sorry right like it's nothing. Nothing better than having kids using your Hashtag for your school or a sharing stories right. Or they're creating their helping to create the stories to be a part of that in the session. I as a WHO could recite their vision and our mission statement from their school. We had like the it was a patron. We had like three people and one guy like a put on the spot say it it was so long is such a great job we. We gave them a around applause. And I said you know you lost me after the fifth word so great you know it but your kids if they can articulated are they. Don't own it. I said how do you put in Hashtag right and so I just had him thinking like. Oh My Gosh. I never thought about right like good for you for for doing that. And I know it means a lot and how you created it but are very are most important. Stakeholders are students. Don't care because we haven't put in a way and they have to. They have we had when we were at impact and I am losing the name but the the name of the school that got named after the Supreme Court the Minnesota Supreme Justice Page school principal. That's cool on and the the big takeaway that I took away from that. Was THAT THAT SCHOOL. Embodies the mission of justice page because justice page is still alive and actively involved in that school. He's a model like an amazing person. Amazing human being and with unbelievable accomplishments especially as a as a as a as a man of color. And you'd like in these kids now look up to him because they they're they're they're they feel that they share that with him and I think it's huge in and so this. I think this marketing bid is underrated. I did I think people are GONNA BE BANGING. Your door to learn have superintendents wanting to know what you know about this. So how can people reach out to you don touch with you and connect with you? Sir? So definitely of course I try to be on all of the social media platforms and talk about that in the book. Like how do you manage those things So you can find me on. Twitter at 'em Gross Taylor you can also From there my websites on there you can follow me on instagram. And you can click on the link and connect with my facebook profile are educators Group and our page. And just you know whatever you need. I guess the big thing is if you're listening to this and and anything that I've shared that has sparked an interest. Reach out be fearless. Reach out reach out and Less lock arms so we can help you get to where you need to go Marlena. Gross Taylor things so much for joining us. Thanks for having me guys. This has been awesome. Thanks for listening to on education. My name is Glenn Been My co host. Is Mike Washburn on? Education is part of the on podcasts media network you can listen to this show and many others by great educators like Monica Burns. Mike Mattera Tissue Richmond and many more by visiting on PODCAST MEDIA DOT COM. WanNa get in touch with us. Check out our website at on education. Podcast DOT COM. You tweet us at on Education Pot. Mike is at Mr Washburn on twitter and I could be found on twitter at herbs Spanish. You could find us on facebook by visiting FACEBOOK DOT com slash on education pod. We're also on instagram. At on Education Pod one support on education visit our Patriot site at Patriotair dot com slash on education. There you can get access to full videos of the podcast and so much more. 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#ChatOnEducation LIVE with the OnEducation Team | May 22 2020

OnEducation

59:12 min | 2 months ago

#ChatOnEducation LIVE with the OnEducation Team | May 22 2020

"Let's go and everybody welcome to chat on education. Live fry FRY. I'm tired so you guys are going to need to carry this and me at some point. Probably I crushed a mountain dew about thirty seconds ago. And we're counting on that writing. I'M GONNA ride the wave of of caffeine for the next forty five to fifty minutes of nonsense to see if we can And I'm going to just crawl to the couch. That's right over there soon as we're done and then put a blanket over. You probably not. So how? How are we doing everybody? How was your week out staying as you said saw? We collect ipads today from our students in so that was a bigger a big undertaking and wrapping up the school year with the students a lot. Yeah when does the school year actually end so the twenty eighth I think for most most schools in your state in Minnesota Yana I think there are a few who go a little bit longer. into June. But I think mall start just May Twenty eighth so we actually have graduations night for our seniors so it's broadcasted people can watch from a safe distance so yeah consumer not too bad. And how did I pet collection day? Go on it actually went really really well. I was super anxious about it. I was I did not sleep while last night so I was kind of in charge of organizing yet and making sure everybody who's volunteering a safe and then everybody who's coming in on. We actually got some about half of our inventory back today Which is Great? We have another day on Tuesday where We will be collecting. We also collecting library books. I had fourteen hundred library books still out that we needed to collect than we got a handful back today but worst. Yeah working towards we was snubbed. It was actually. Decent weather wasn't hot. Didn't it wasn't rainy at all. So that was good and we are able to be outside the whole time and families just came steadily. It was not necessarily a mad rush like I was expecting it might be. I was envisioning like angry parents who were like having to wait for a long time to drop off their staff or receive their choice boards in yearbooks and things like that and luckily it was very smooth style. House weak moment. Hey you know my week was great because my niece finally with I shouldn't say finally was born because she was a week. Early Brett Yes Miami. Irene came the other day in looking forward to getting to her and snuggle her. But she's going to hang out in the Nikki floor just a little bit because she's just got a little bit of pneumonia and since she was born in Kobe. Hotspot Like the nick. You is the right place for her to hang out until it's time for her to go home a crazy time to have a kid amen. But you know that's my sister works out hospital. It's her home you that's versus happy. She's governor inside scoop exactly. Yeah yeah she she her when she was delivering. My brother-in-law was there. Okay they were. I don't think anyone else can go so it'll still be a week before my nephew his little sister so he he is. I mean he's to no clue choice. Life will be like your soon claudio. What about you good? Good Week are now. I work all summer. So my my. I'm not going to have a break but The students are wrapping up. I'M GONNA say next week I know that The seniors are turning their chromebooks and those students that are returning the either which whichever other grade. They're keeping over the summer. The last I heard so there's only a ton that need to be kicked up so that's good good I guess might. Today officially was my daughter's last day of school so now I have a junior So she's done with Tenth grade and so I just up the street logos. I think our town work now. I don't work in the district that I that I live in the district. My wife does so they're having some sort of reverse Drive around the city to go through kids. Seniors yards arch. Houses is assault bunch of science. That's Pretty Pretty Ni. I think this is a I. Think a nice side effect of what of Covid you know of of this Kind of like just really giving a shout out to students so I think I hope that it continues afterwards. You know even like if we go back to normal Continue something like this. I think it'd be great to keep this going. The good spirit. I guess a better word but but I think like everyone. I think I am still kind of worn out so it's just starting to get to me. I just like I. I work for a really good company. Claudia would know he's he. He works with me Part time and They gave everybody today off as well. In addition to the one day and That was really nice. They they saw it then. Everyone just needed a break Now that being said I had I had an interview while so I had someone slide into my meetings before. I like to block off my calendar for the day so I took that meeting And then a I did an interview for the minecraft podcasts. 'cause that can't stop happening So you know and then I I mean I'll admit like it was a slower day. The normal I got to open our pool or pool is open now which is nice. I know in Texas. They probably never closed their pools but appearing up here in Canada and definitely in Minnesota. They have to close their. We close our pools claudio in the winter. People who do close them. I grew up in California. I'm like why the pool now right. I wouldn't close my pool ever But yeah so we. We opened the pool. Got It all filled topped up like a better word. Had to buy a bunch of new you equipment and stuff Wears out over the years and got it all set up so I've been outside so that actually adds adds to like a doubly tired from physical labor and being outside most of the day in addition to the two hours of streaming and one hour of interviews and half an hour forty five minute meaning so it was still a pretty busy day welcomed. Everybody who's joining us in the chat if you're watching and you have questions comments whatever just up chime in that's what we're here for just to Kinda Chat We did we did. Come up with questions And and these are pretty interesting. They're generally related to what we talked about on the podcast. So if you're following along at home And you WANNA follow along better than than what you should really do. Friends is go. Download the podcast and subscribed smash that subscribe button. Because then you'll know what the hell we're going to talk about tonight and be able to weigh in Which is exciting exciting for everybody. M. Mj is known as hardcore and competitive. I guess But what but would he make a good leader in education? What characteristics comprise a great edge? You Edgy leader I mean it's funny. I was talking to someone the other day about so so has any of you guys watch the West Wing. Yes a little bit. The West is like my favorite show of all. I've watched the West Wing from start to finish at least fifteen or twenty times. And Oh yeah yeah I can. I can listen to it episode and had my eyes closed and know exactly what's happening in the West wing which is a little crazy but whatever but one of the things that I long for a little bit is the is a bit of that. Work Environment. I love the idea that you can respect the hell out of people and recognize that. They're incredibly smart incredibly capable yet. They may have different opinions than you and allow them. Give give everyone the space to argue their position respectfully but but passionately Even heatedly But you come out in the end so respecting each other And you know and then allow the person who makes the decision to make the decision and I think that that's one of the things especially You know it's funny that this is really a problem in like Antero Education where you're not allowed to like. The Union is so strong and Ontario. The Teacher's Union they there's actually like rules against like calling out other teachers like in the sense that it's like you can't come up to a teacher and say listen your not doing your job or something to that like you know what I mean. I can't come up to someone and say listen. I have a problem with the way something is happening. You know and then have a respectful conversation. You may not agree but you're not even allowed to do that. I think that there are some pretty strong rules against like talking to people in a way that is like I don't want to say combative because that's not even the spirit that I'm talking about. We're talking about just like you can't confront people right. You can't say you know I need you to be better right which I mean I think in all jobs you need to be able to have the space to tell people that even people above you and that doesn't exist so my point is is that. I'm not sure there would be space for a Michael Jordan because clearly Michael Jordan. Just like almost every great Sports leader that. We know of You know always demanded that their teammates do their best and absolutely called them out when they weren't I actually There's a really funny story that gets told every once in a while of the of the Mats Sundin era of the Toronto Maple leafs and Matt Zinedine was the captain of the leafs for for a number of years probably about ten to twelve years. One of the great captains of the leafs and they they were planning to call load someone. Who wasn't you know pulling their weight in the team and it was you know. So it's like Matson Dean and Tie Domi Gary Roberts waiting for you in your hotel room to tell you you know that you gotta get your you know what together and it's respectful but it's like it's like you know do your job you know we're out here doing our jobs. It's it's you know we need you to do yours too. And that's the way Michael Jordan was in a lot of ways and I just. I'm not sure that there's room for that but I wish there was just a little bit because because I think it would make everyone better. It made the Bulls Better. I would I would say I was re We were talking a little bit about this before you know. I haven't watched the last answer. Been reading articles about some of the other players that that that were with him and appreciated his his The way he pushed them they also said he. They also mentioned that. They'll always mentioned Scottie. Pippen as well. Let's got teammate. With Michael Jordan and You know when Michael Jordan will go to a plan saying Ben you got you know. We'll get his face and was say something to him. Scotty people come over say like your man. He loves you. You just just You Know You keep pushing you know. It's it's not it's not personal he wants. He wants when he wants he. You know he's got six ranks in He wants to win. He never lost a championship. So I think that that you know I would say the winning attitude of you know wanting to to I would say gotta do. What's best for students? We we got. You know let's in the census win this And I guess in a way challenge teachers educators and I think the challenge. I think what happens a lot of times? Picking of Madeira? Were coming in in being director administrators. Something happens it's people who move out of the classroom and become ministers. They forget what they've done in the classroom and what it was to be a teacher and likes and then it's like you've got word you came from and it's like you can't wait a minute and so when you demand someone is like. I hope you would've lived in those shoes though to be able to to say what you're saying you know almost like. I say if it was Michael Jordan telling me like I got to play harder. It's like one. Listen to him because he got ring so I guess in a sense yes but I I also agree with you. I think it'd be tough to have someone like that Chain especially you say. It's it's hard to confront Educators and and you know they come in you got to do. What's Best I? There was so many times I wanted to be a two hour when I was in the classroom and I was like why. Why are you teaching? Yeah Yeah Yeah I think I hope that his sense of competition was not just for himself or his glory or the team making Bloomsburg and small with our idea that is great having education like I think a spirit of competition is not not a negative thing to have education. But if you're going to be competitive I would hope that you're doing it not to make yourself go higher up on a pedestal or look better to other people but it'd be to improve the whole the whole school your whole district whatever. It might be And snow in that sense. I guess I think that I like that aspect of Michael Jordan. Were like that aspect in education. I just know that any Any group that is looking out only for themselves is not going to excel but when they can work together as a team to improve and will be competitive with other people may be They're going to be great gains and they're going to do great things for their students. There's a comment here. That was really good in the chat Now I think it's this one. Education typically isn't a single fit sort of place in. Mj was pretty tired. Only of doing things I think. One of the I mean but there is though esther malaria. The I push back on this. Maybe little bit in the sense that I mean the Bulls are still a team right. And there's lots of people like Michael Jordan was the leader. Yeah I wonder I mean I mean the Bulls knew that Jordan was carrying them in some ways. I mean pippen was great. Rodman was great There's a lot of that is a great team. Obviously in the takes a great team to do what they did by you. Know Michael Jordan's Michael Jordan and I mean You know these all everyone else was great too but Michael Jordan was the one that was as OBI WAN to. Kobe says he was the one taken by the tune squad. You actually help the team. It took a while for space jam reference. But here we go or me now. I could call that. That's awesome and I thank for even. Go on Fenway Fan. Had Point You is hard of Jordan's greatness do to Phil Jaques because I mean. I think that there are room for Jordan's as leaders because I think just education. It's all kinds of leaders. Even when I look at my own faculty I can see so many different leaders. How great they are but I think he still needs someone to pull it all together and I don't think Jordan would be able to do that. I don't think Jordan could coach Phil Jackson coach. Gretzky could be coach. Try Not a different ballgame. This is going to be a sports themed episode. Try to just try to fill breaking as many as I possibly can. It's contest now. Turn into around the Horn but is your field of dreams. You know this one's interesting my. Mj was transcendent. I haven't seen as many educators that are central to their institutions. Perhaps like as in the idea that you know If Ju when Jordan if size when Jordan left You know the Bulls aren't the Bulls without Jordan the cavaliers definitely not the cavaliers without Lebron. The oilers were not the oilers without Gretzky. Actually though actually I should take that back. The oilers worthy oilers without Gretzky interesting and I. But I don't think that's a bad thing. I don't think any school should be a young. You know have some teacher who is so central that they're transcendent. I think that would. There's only one person that I can think of. That is like was like I don't know every obviously every school district and every school board that is all over North America. But I can tell you in Claudio Claudio knows who I'm gonNA reference in probably agrees with me Carl Hooker embodied means and. They're not the same with like even and they'll hate that. I'm saying that by I. Don't give damn anymore because all of the people that we liked that aren't there anymore because Carl laughed and then they all left and it's not the same so there aren't many people like that. I think Carl is the only one that comes to the top of my mind as someone that was so like central to the success of like like they were identified. Almost as one of the best district's America for attack and Carl had everything to do with that And there's not many like that and and but I would agree with Mel that It probably shouldn't be like that you shouldn't need you know One you know I'm not gonNA use the word Rockstar. One great teacher to carry a district or whatever I think the goal of of you know what most of us do. At least the the four of us build capacity so that we don't need You know one teacher carrying everybody but that everybody can you know excel on their own right? You know before we move onto the next week. I'm thinking I was reading another article about it today. Former teammate of his was didn't Horace Grant was not a fan of him. And you think about you mentioned. They know the educators at not to be transcended at campus. But that are doing amazing things. And then you have other educators. That cycle stopped doing that. Because you're making making me look now. I have to step up my game hawgood. Good now. They're gonNA have to now we don't have to and then essentially and was like the Mike Jordan would push other player to to be better than you would hope like you know not to compare yourself with someone else but same time like I know I can do more. I could probably step up my game and I can do more again. Is ultimately who you don't affords for the student so in the sense that would be a good thing it's for as seen an Mj. Like you know I I can probably do a little more. I could price step up check. I agree at someone in our little. Dm Chad said. I wish Dave was going to be with US TODAY. Because this is this is. Dave's question and he's probably watching or at least he'll watch after him sure Colleges expensive should students be able to receive a refund because they had to finish this year online where students paying for with colleges? Damn Audrey and what our colleges selling well you get the answer I. I'm not touching much I mean been. This is why we need debut like what what are colleges really selling. I mean I know for me. My college experience was hands down. Some of the best learning I have ever had in direly mine was the worst. Oh really I hated my bachelor of Education. Gosh hated it. I would say my bachelors was a better experience. A higher record than My master's courses that I had to take But it's I think the experiences that I gained the people have met the The way was pledged to grow out of comfort zones and to I just it was such a great experience to me. I loved it. It was hard. It was stressful But I mean I thought it was wonderful so in terms of like selling. I think that the experiences that I had in learning at college was phenomenal What am I? Oh you're paying for that. I mean you just don't always get what you pay for. I'm I'm really happy that you did. I know color's nice but I mean there's a Lotta stuff that I remember getting my bills being like. Are you serious? I have to pay for like the gym so that it. Jim Can keep operating in a have to pay for this stuff. I don't even go warning games. You know like I. There's a lot of extra stuff that I had to pay for. That I thought was kind of bogus completely understand like those. Those kids are like not even on campus. I can't needle fees. Yes Dude and fees student union fees right and I do get that arm had said in the podcast that you know. They're they're professor Did try to new giving them the That they probably could in Under the strange circumstances that were in and So they I would hope that they would still be thankful that they were able to continue on with their degrees In the I like this I mean I. I like a lot of this. Not a full refund. Students are still getting the credits rain classes. They take I mean. I feel like that answers the question. Yeah I mean you. Can you can t we can talk about the other stuff. But I think if you're getting you're paying for the credits you're paying for the crime. And most of those instructors have worked their butts off the last two months to help you get those credits. Maybe it wasn't what you expected. Maybe it wasn't what you desired. Maybe it wasn't as good as what it could have been. But that is life in Kane utilize. Nothing is like what you're acting right now. Oh my God just being entitled Song I was actually on the on the I was actually on the like. Yeah they probably should have refer net after after having read while we will be one. Kobe's the so-called It it really made me think you know. That's that's a great great point there with really think about it And in towards the end is that that what are you selling that that those amenities I mean? I remember when I was in college For my bachelor's between my bachelors and my masters I think it was about fifteen years maybe a busy doing the math yet and so I remember paying for some athletic plays and some of this that and like I graduated. Man Never got to use it. I never got to see that yet. Talk until went back for a masters like okay. I finally get to see this now. I finally got through you but even then when there for my masters was like I just went there for the class and went back home with her for the classroom after work and it wasn't like I wasn't there for the for the experience as far as I college experience and It was I was like you know I got a full time job. Family trying to get my masters and getting go there and get back home and get the work done but I think I enjoyed my master's more than my bachelor so I was The the bachelor this time was Kinda like you. Just group flew we. We've brought this up on the podcast a couple times but in in Canada. You don't really. There's not not a lot of incentive to take your master sold not a lot of people do like I have two degrees right like I have a BA. And then you have to take what's called a bachelor of education. When I took it it was one year. Now it's two years so you have to own six years of school just to be a teacher in in Ontario So it but not a lot of people take your masters you have to take your masters to be a principal though that's really. That's really the only incentive that people have in Ontario to you know get a master's degree in if they want to be a principal in California Masters degrees. The incentive is like a huge difference in your pay scale. Yeah between a bathroom but when I moved here to Texas I already had my bat. Masterson was like I was already but like right now between a bachelors and Masters. It's like thousand dollar difference. Maybe in like you're GONNA pay more than you're never gonNA NEVER GONNA make up for paying for your master's programs like unless you go to beat administrator of that's like there's no yeah the difference between a principal and an top so a Max so there's a scale in Ontario in the top of the scale With the top level of Like there's a there's a vertical scale of years and I know scale of kind of With the collision qualifications. They're like your credits that you can. You can get to increase your pay. I'm so at the top of that scale in the top of that year's which is ten years it's called an a four and a four teacher At ten years makes about one hundred thousand dollars a year in Ontario. No matter what grade you teach so kindergarten teacher like my wife's been teaching for twelve years And so you know she makes about one hundred grand that's pretty public knowledge in interior And then For a principal principal think makes about one twenty seven So there's about twenty seven thousand dollar difference between being so that's I mean that's what you're paying for. I guess when you get your master I'm actually a side note And I don't know if I said it out loud yet but I'm about to start my master's In September yeah. I haven't I haven't done it yet and I kind of want to So I'm I'm doing my masters in September which is exciting world. I don't I have even less incentive data because I have no intention of being a school principal I just kind of want it Because I talk shit all the time about people I should be able to back it up with academia. I guess so right. So so I'll be going to the I'll be doing the University of British Columbia's masters of Educational Technology Educational Technology. Which is it's one of the only programs in the world of its kind. That is literally the like that's the actual degree as the your master of Educational Technology So it's really cool so I'm pretty excited along all online So Yeah good friend Paul Darcy Did his MIT. That's his master's degree. He's a now Dr Paul Darva Zepa. He HE HAS HIS MED L. O. In there you go. Nick an emmy as well in the chat Nick tell me where you got your your t from I'd be interested in knowing because there's not many the only other thing. Oh Tim cadence yes. So Yeah Tim. Katie lives in BC. So there we go. I don't know John. Who'd Johnny Hopkins is is? That is that funny. I mean. Probably Johns Hopkins. How okay okay okay. Yeah so I know a couple of people. Have their amy teas. So that's cool Some pretty excited about that. I may do my PhD. That's that's really what I'm thinking about doing so our all time. There's a of you. There's an interesting question regarding teachers. Pay Mixture of it'll be impacted. That's pretty Up Wondering teacher teacher pay will so I mean in Ontario? They literally just signed a collective bargaining agreement Three weeks ago so teachers pays are basically locked in for the next. I think three years I would say no probably for most places just because contracts are done now long term me if if economically this does turn into more of a recession. Then yeah I mean it could definitely impact over the next few years but can they violate like bargaining agreements. Like don't you. Have you have unions right right right? I mean we're we're contract it so they can't go back and change at least that's how it is for Lake K. Through twelve. I don't know about colleges and universities so if I think it's affected by I mean there's there are unions at colleges and universities for teachers but I have no doubt strong is like elementary teachers earn in Texas you. Each kid is a is a is a dollar sign. You know so if if you're only allowed to have certain number of students in class whatever whatever happens to be. How's that impact the money coming in to be able to pay teachers? I don't know I mean I. Can I think this year is? I wouldn't say safe but I would say I would think it is but down the road with we shall see you know we never know gotta wonder how many slimy governments are going to say catastrophic impacts caused us to cut your pay or whatever my husband when he hot at. Tech School He every semester was different for him just depending on. How many students were signed up for his class? Or how many credits? He was able to teach and so it was. It was never a solid job because depending on how many credits Utah also dependent. That would depend if you were able to get benefits or not. So I don't know gets tougher. Those Mike and Mike Needs. Wake my my talk. The mountain dew is fading adding. It's not living up to its billing as something that's supposed to wake your ass up not Some educational assistance and custodial staff might be let go of schools. Don't go full time. I mean if you have to do less cleaning in you have to teach like yeah. Ea less kids. I mean you're not needed And again those unions in Ontario though. Those roles are unionized but less strong for sure and less able to put up a fight for sure when when they you know when it happens if it happens so It's definitely something that's possible. Thanks for that comment. I should mention that I was joined Tim for teachers on fire last week. So Tim. Get getting that episode. What are you doing watching us? You should be editing podcasts. Him Now thanksgiving him and joining us. Whatever God we're seeing vast amounts of all news being spread even by smart well respected individuals. How do you teach media literacy to adults sounding like a know it all? I don't have the answer to this because I'm not. I'm not conflicted by this sort of dilemma joked with Claudio off here. Am this is literally what I known for. So someone else has got answered this question. Oh all they don't have any answer claudio. Did you WANNA take it? I go right ahead. Audrey was nice to Tim maybe she can you know. Give us a mission to this show. I mean I guess it just depends on You Know I. I've seen it going around through twitter. Facebook facebook connect with lots of non educators and family members and friends and twitter's mainly educator so So the folks that are living in this world. I like media literacy. It's just one of those things where it's like. You know maybe comment on her. You know this. This is not an accurate I don't know I probably would say this is not an official beneficial I would hope that. Because of my position has educator it would just you know that's my hope. I would just say you know. This is not an accurate description of what the CDC has santow We need to make sure we don't listen to everything we see. You know Abraham Lincoln didn't say that you know but you know and I there's other occasions where some other things have come up were were. I've commented in and you know and I think you know me I'm gonNA sound like a like like you know someone a know it all but I was like you know what Saint Donald Care. Just 'cause it's misinformation turn it it spread out and people start freaking out. What are we doing his like first of all? Don't listen to consider the source find out works from. I like to drop a because I feel like I'm probably never quite good enough of a source because like if they're believing that I like to drop little slopes or political fact or something kind of Just in a little comments to say this but you know for some people. It doesn't matter because when it came out I read some comments on facebook stream and it wasn't my wall because God but there's this woman who said well slopes is left off and then someone gotta check wikipedia. Just check. The biography of this doctor will. Wikipedia is not very good source either in sitting here banging my head going but youtube one hundred percent reliable so yeah I. It brisk no hope. No it's not bad but Alex Jones is good. Yeah I I guess I would say that. Like with our students when they are doing something where we would like to correct them we would never call them out in front of everybody ends point a finger at them and be like you. You're terrible you'd need to change your doing I would I? I would approach it by. Edu Damning Bam or prime messaging damages. Saying hey just let you know. This isn't actually true. Here are some articles that backing up. Ice Statement maybe you want to think about posting something taking that post down So that you're not spreading information that's not true And I guess you know. Hopefully that would come across as being a little less pretty than column out in front of everybody else in being like you're wrong So to it in. You're looking at smaller communities rural communities like where. I live in a lot of the stuff is posted by our students. Parents and students family members. So that adds a whole new level of tact. That is needed in choosing your own battles. Because you know that you're going to have to teach this person's child's next year. So how do you tackle this while still retaining a good relationship? So it's Estar it's hard it's complicated Yes as really quoted by Mike Washburn. That's not even misinformation. He actually said Congress should be complicated. Friends listen this goes. It takes us right back to the first question. You got to be able to tell people you think they're wrong and it not destroy your friendship. You know What Glenn said something on the podcast? Probably a couple of weeks ago now That stuck with me. He was like there are there. Are Things about my friends? I just wish I didn't know because now I think now I think less of them because I know that they're like raging trumpsters or something like that. It's like I don't like you anymore because I know your political affiliation and it's like we gotta get out of this well and I mean it's hard because you know you know I would say me Mike Washburn would say you know all start liking them again when they stop doing this. And this and this and this and this enlist you a laundry list of all the just absolute nonsense that they're up to You know and then I'll be happy to go back and you know like you despite who you support when they can be normal again. Oh you know we but we still like. I will go back to the fact that we do need. I deleted facebook for my resolution. I feel like I'm missing out. You're you're not So I think this has come up recently to like I. My facebook list is super tight. Like and it's like that for a reason. Maybe it's a bubble. I think I have one person that I'm facebook friends with that. I know is like a Republican. Like like a real like a hard right Republican By that I if that's not intentional. I don't think intentionally culling my facebook feed of of of conservatives. I think I'm keeping it tight so I don't. I'm trying to lower my signal to noise ratio in like every aspect of my life. This tightness stuff doesn't help. Obviously I'm looking at three screens here and you know speaking of signal to noise but anyways We got we definitely got to be able to have conversations without having fights. Yeah and I think that's what this podcast is kind of four to in some ways early. I hope it is though we still haven't yet had someone willing to come on the podcast and fight with me. If you want to be that person let's go ran at the things that are you know just absolutely incorrect. Especially those who are smart and well educated people they would recognize them were error and they would you know they being thankful that you let them know that they made an error and they need to remember that they need to check their sources to make sure that it's valid and know corroborate it with other sources well and ends so. I called this. I pulled this up on snow pts in like literally a second. I all I did. Well when we first turned the thing is I just wrote what did I write. Cdc guideline slopes totally wrote. It's I wrote did. Cdc Issue Strict Islands reopening schools. And it doesn't show the exact version of the graphic that like our boy. Blanchard has been like I hope he might need to go get mediation for that or some might need an intervention on him because version of version of this same just with different graphics. And it's wrong like it's not accurate and you know we have people that are sharing it and all that you had to do was do like the easiest. Google search in the world and you would have known that it wasn't accurate and it wasn't from the CDC and it's like that image. I saw on facebook today. Where it said you know something. Someone says something in And then had the wrong name of related to the person at top and then the picture was a completely different person. It was a pitcher prince. Yes it was a pitcher of prince but it was like the quote was attributed to Bob Dylan but the pitcher was prince right. All you gotTa do folks like seriously like this with the Internet is supposed to be for is getting the right answers on things and finding it like the had to do. We were There was a someone posted like a math problem and and and forgot what it was and if people were arguing about what the the the answer was in his like it was Tuplice two times. Something I forget what? It was the exact numbers but people are saying. This number is disconnected like man. You know now if you do properly if you do the math you know Pem does or whatever whatever the you know used. Your membership pretty pleased my durant tally. Whatever that was No you do the order of operations. They're trying to think that ordered operation. That's not the right answer is this is the answer. No it's like you know the that this order operations has been around for like hundred years. You know this is not what they were saying. This is the new math into the new math notes. This is not new man. This is I go. Put it in your calculator type into your calculator. You'll find out the answer that you're wrong and it's like I respectfully your wrong but in the calculator and try it out is like it's not new math. This is order of operations. Been around so I think that's probably the first time I didn't like it when someone posts some but education and like you're honky this is just Is Wrong but I think a lot of it goes down to what Mary had. You know it's hard to convince people forget because they they want it to be right in because they want it to be right. It's right and they don't want to risk that that that is not true. So it's were just in a new era of and maybe it's not new but people are going to choose what they want to believe and that will be there truth. Confirmation bias is like an incredibly powerful for us. And you know it it goes back to you know Kellyanne Conway saying alternative like alternative. Facts is like the ultimate in like confirmation bias. Just taking things and just just twisting them as hard as you possibly can so that they suit your narrative. It's it's so funny. I still go back to that clip every once in a while you can see it on Youtube and you can see that. She can't believe she sang it until she actually like set out of her mouth. And now it's a thing right but like you you just watch the look on her face when she says turn facts. It's like you serious how I'm trying to find it but there was someone shared a An article the disease to little birds talking like what am I told you this. And you know like has talked about George Washington's teeth and then There was the he had used teeth like. Wooden teeth goal goaltender. Okay Yeah and then when it said he had some people that were slaves and he had all the resources all the research and as you go down it's like it if your objective you like erm that's it you know it if you're stuck on something you're going to be it's GonNa rock you because like no. I've always known this to be true and it's like well you know if you the research has been done. It's obviously you know. Whatever would you thought was true is maybe but then there's this other part that you have to add to that in addition to what you grew up burning about so. I think you have to be willing to to shift in like like Mike Senate. This listen have conversations. If you don't know the answers like I I. I would never pretend to know the answers to all of the stuff we talk about on the PODCAST. I just want people to talk about it. and like have the conversations and even argue about it. And you disagree with me please. Because that's again that's in my mind for me. That helps us have better outcomes in the end. Were going to figure it out together instead of you know this is like back and forth where everyone just doesn't listen to each other and just says. Oh this is what I believe. Nothing can say how would change it so. I think this is Mary Mary has come up with your with your image. It's funny this is. This is how I know that Claudio and I follow a lot of people on facebook and that were 'cause 'cause I think we both saw it on facebook because I I saw just the other day to I love the young I should if I wanNA pull it up. I should look at it but I. I don't actually know how to do that from this so I'm not gonna I'm not GonNa do it. Friends just don't have it in me. It's one that's it for clear. So what's everyone got going on next week other then. You have the day off on Monday. I Guess Mondays is right or wrong. We do you guys celebrate. I don't know from Memorial Day. Yeah Yeah I don't know I'm well. It's it's kind of like veteran's Day except that we're just remembering All of the service people who have given their are tree all. That's nice but it's also you do that on November eleventh to. Let's Veterans Day. There's that yes and but we were still alive. So royalty like out two cemeteries in and puts flowers on all of the crosses for the servicemen. Who let their lives? It's for families to I mean for years and years. I would go out with my grandma. And she always had the old artificial flowers and we'd go up to the cemetery and put the artificial flowers on the graves of family members. And that was kind of how I learned about my family because she would show me where each grave was me stories about this family member in this family member and Yeah I mean it's it's kind of a lovely holiday not strictly military but just area everyone nice. Remembrance Day is celebrated in Canada as well as a proud member of the Commonwealth. I should actually also mention the remembrance. Day is my birthday. So there's that that's not what we're celebrating though cool. Well then you'll have Monday off. I guess everyone you guys are GonNa do whatever you do. I don't know what I'm GONNA do. I mean I'm not GonNa hug that it off remaining Canadian that celebrates American holidays. Now I guess you just need to grab some brats in some hamburgers can do that. You're going to go okay. Well I can do that. I got that awesome. And what else is going on this week? Are you doing? You're doing ipad collection fees to lottery your face to and then also were having conversations with all our grade levels of about ten talking about what was missed this year on in terms of solid learning. That didn't get to and they're having conversations with the greatest below the grades above them to communicate those gaps. Oh that the teachers next year can know where their students are going to be coming and don't meeting their students where they are in getting them caught up. Nice very cool cloudy. What's going on with you? Well Br relax on Monday. And then just start wrapping it up for Workwise I'm still working at home I'm GonNa what what Working on some summer stuff. Summer projects and Personally working on my youtube staff and working on my weekly show Wednesday Wednesday evening. So we're excited about that. I think maybe I smell. What do you got going on nothing? I checked Oh you're done day. Oh I got some projects that I'm working. You do looking at pictures of that line. I got up project guy project wine so now I I'm keeping busy and cool. The son gets his braces off on Thursday. So That's interesting. Like ev all the sudden. My daughter also wants to go and I'm like why would you wanna go because we're going to two hours? The town two hours over which has a walmart like. I haven't been out of town since like winter since this whole thing started like you really wanted to strive to ours too but a Wal Mart. Yes yes she's already probably already preparing list I have. I have two episodes of the minecraft. Podcast that are Ready to be released With one episode with Ben Kelly and another episode with Trish Cloud and Ben Spiel dinner interview in Interviewing Steve Isaacs on Monday interviewing Glenn Irvine Esquire next Saturday for for the minecraft PODCAST L. So so we'll have Glenn on which is exciting talking language learning And so we're trying to that'll that'll take us to episode because episode one is out so that it takes us to episode five by this time next week. We'll have five one two three four episodes of the podcast done halfway it's an eight episode season Now I gotTA start the high pressure campaign for a second season with Microsoft. We'll see how that goes And what else the participate. Podcast comes out on Monday or Tuesday. Probably Tuesday We interviewed Margaret honey from the New York Hall of science which is really really cool So lots of streaming with Steve Isaacs playing playing video games. Yeah Greek learning sue. What's add drinking lots of no? I'm out man. I think that was the last game a crisis over here. Look you get your second wind. So that's no no. I'M GONNA soon as I hit stop. I'm cooked. You're going to see it in about thirty seconds Thanks everybody for joining us. Thanks Mel Audrey Patio. You guys are the best Thanks everybody for watching Either live or later on Youtube or wherever else? This ends up Which is a couple of other places? thanks to Mary for Being a very lively member of our chat tonight that was lovely of you And hope everyone stays healthy and safe and we'll see you soon. Take Care Child by have one.

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Don't Be A Jerk | Noa Daniel

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Listen I i. do this for me and then we hope other people think it's cool to. A So so I've been I'm still playing a ton of minecraft in and I'm I'm venting a little bit. Allow me to vent. I I keep dying. I always thought I was really good at minecraft. Sure. It's a little frustrating. Third the breeze of Delta as far as that Gabriel expertise. I mean I'm in my own kitchen. For sure 'cause now it's like I'm starting to name my world's. I'll die eventually. Then hardcore mode and click game start and it's like. You know so I'm just. Previewing the inevitable at this point by naming the world die eventually. Because the you know, we all know it's going to happen. So, what's the point anymore? Are these ones that you're streaming to Mike. So! It's like I don't even want to stream in anymore because I. WanNa have died on stream at least twice now. And it's frustrating because I get into this space where I'm building something really cool and then like. And it's like I and so I played. The survive started survival world because at least there I am late. Things aren't permanent, right? You know everything you can just respond. But it's like I'm trying to teach myself how to build a mob spawning bubble elevator thing that goes way up into the air and. Died like ten times building the thing because I keep falling or Running or whatever and it's like I could never do this in hardcore. How do people build all of these things in hardcore? and. Not Di-. Yeah. Just show a little demoralized, so it's like I started playing world of tanks because I get to at least blow things up hey. And World of warcraft, because there's a game, I'm actually pretty good at your dominant on that one. Don't look like in idiot playing it, 'cause I clearly am looking like an idiot playing minecraft so. I don't know but man. Oh, man! Is it ever frustrating but I did want to mention speaking of streams I? Guess a little bit that coming up real soon. Stephen I and hopefully you're gonNA. Join US and a couple of others. are going to join us on a twenty four hour livestream charity for the extra life children's charity children's Hospital charity we're going to do that. It was supposed to be this weekend. The whatever day that is the twenty fourth twenty fifth of July, but we've had to postpone it because. Of another thing that I'll actually maybe plug in a second. But we're going to do it in the next couple of weeks and and raise some money for charity, so if you aren't following, twitch, dot, TV slash inside. Participate yet. You should probably go do that. We Stream Steve Isaacs night's dream every day at nine am. And we cover tons of different things. minecraft fortnight, game design game based learning a whole bunch of. Glen has been on the stream with us a couple of times it's it's always a ton of fun so we're going to be doing that this weekend, Glenn. I am doing play by play for the first time of minecraft East sports competition live. Stream? No that's Super Fun. So it. WHO's competing kiss? Oh, it's a! It's a Naysayer F- sponsored competition, so they're. They're the runners of it I'm doing play by play. It's going to be streamed live on the inside. Participate channels. So that's again. Twitch, DOT, TV, slash inside, participate I will be the play by play kind of host. and. Kathy Chow Isaacs Steve, Isaacs and Eric Lightner will be basically like color commentators. Slash will slash people in the field. Slash whatever. Going around and watching. It's a build competition it's it's east sports. You know and I think it's really need that. Most people associated sports, shooting and guns, and like like counter strike and overwatch, and all of the stuff but this is east sports. It's a build competition, so they will be given a a building project, and as a team of four players for kids they will. Have to build something and we will. We will do commentary on it while they're doing it that streaming Saturday until three and Sunday one till three this week so I'm. GonNa be busy? You're going to be crazy. I've encouraged anyone WHO's listening to market down your calendar or like? I? said go follow the twitch channel, and then you'll get a notification as soon as it goes live. And then you'll, you'll be able to join US and and check it out because I think it's GonNa be Great. Hey. I love this note in the in the notes. Glenn went, shopping. Congratulations Glenn on going inside. Went outside I just don't go to public places. I've been by only plays that we've. been going too. Was Costco because of their masks policy, but now that other people, and now a a the place that we live the city that we live right next to saint cloud has imposed. They mask coordinates yes and so. Man has made life so great I even went to Walmart and I'm GONNA. Tell you right now I'm not a big fan of that place, and it was such a pleasant a visit to Walmart to actually go shopping and do the things that you need to do by the things that you need to purchase Ed Been Holding. Out For months from purchasing. And, then going in there and they're being. Basically, a great for all of the employees, and all of the customers to keeping everybody safe and I can't wait till this just happens throughout the whole United States I hope that all the governors really take that into consideration. They could seriously and that's. If we all do this that. Maybe, we can get. Through this pass this and and and and really make some headway. But Mad APP. Tell you it was a pleasant. Shopping experience even though we were buying like. Gardening tools. Things. That will result in work being done around the house. It wasn't anything fun. But super, happy and excited and. At just glad to be out. Even people keeping your six foot distance, but my goodness that makes a huge difference. Does does. We spoke with Noah Daniel. Earlier. You'll, you'll hear it in a few minutes about back to school plans and about You know what it's GonNa look like in Ontario and the fact is. We don't totally know yet but. There are a lot of school. Districts that are either starting like in the like. There are school districts in the US that are starting like any week now like in the next couple there are people that are back into the schools like to get ready already writer sure. And and I I know that you know there are regions that are just starting to announce plans. FOR COMING BACK TO SCHOOL RIGHT? Yes, and the ones that I. I really liked that. People are obviously this is. Amazing part of social media. Where districts are posting their plans, and then other districts can. Adapt those plans to fit their specific situations so there was a district. That posted basically a very detailed list of what they're going to be doing that. They're going to be doing distance learning through the first and second quarters with a plan to return to the buildings in February. Which I thought. That shows a lot of commitment and dedication and saying. Hey, this is what we're. GonNa do so. Let's go ahead and. Do this and do it very well. You know. Keep our kids safe. Keep our staff safe. And let's. Then they posted the details like one thing after another talking about specifically how they were going to adapt distance learning, saying they were includes instruction five days a week. Live lessons. The supplement prerecorded lessons. There will be breakout sessions for your special needs, students or your English language learners Parents support centers I mean. There's all of these different ideas that we can all take from and go okay this with our specific situations in our districts and I think that that's really is going to be a key is all of us kind of learning from each other, and then adapting and taking each of these little pieces of plans, and then applying them at the local level of what fits for our specific situations There's obvious be been in the news. That's California is going to go. A mandatory online learning situate this learning and in other states are. Are In the midst of making a decision, and these decisions need to be made like you just said Mike very quickly of there are states though that we know of. That are GONNA go full time every day face to face and I mean there's been some big things as far as the news. One of them was Florida I believe. That the governor committed that. Yes, we're going to be doing that. And that's so scary is. When you don't allow localities to make those decisions you know is specific county where there might be just a huge outbreak at the moment where it just doesn't make sense to do that. Where Different County baby they're, they're doing well, and and yes, it does make sense to go to do that with personal protection equipment, and so on and so forth. But it I think that's sharing of all of these plans, and then collaborating together. We will get through this just that I hate these top down decisions when someone says a blanket decision and says we're Ogg. especially the ones that say we're GONNA go back fulltime face to face. It seemed right, reckless and the. Zoom meetings right there. Exactly did themselves exactly well, there had. To and so. I think it. We're going to learn a lot in the next few weeks. several schools are going to be going back in the next few weeks and I just hope that people are okay. The kids in the educators and all all their other staff are going to be. We're going to be able to get through this because it's. It's totally scary and I know why. People are having anxiety about it because it is a scary thing. In March I wrote that we're GonNa see what school districts know what they're doing. and which school district's don't in terms of distance slash remote learning, having plans, having contingency plans that previously existed preparing for the worst like leadership groups for large. You know organizations should do and we did we saw. Absolute amazing demonstrations of distance learning and and working from home, and we saw absolute failures at the exact same time and you know we're about to see. Which district's again? you know are capable, have capable quality, leadership, and which districts don't. And and you can tell it is, so it feels to me so obvious you know the differences between the ones that are really thinking about this and the ones that aren't you know. You know my my thinking is evolving very rapidly on a lot of this stuff, and certainly as we as it should, as you learn more as you gain more information, you should be able to have the freedom to change your mind or reflect and and rethink things and I definitely think that no one in the United States. You know virtually no one in the United States should be going back into a school building right now. your cases. There are I mean except loading. And it's scary. It's scary as like I'd be terrified. Living in the United I, honestly would I'd be terrified living in the United States, and and I don't blame you like you. Specifically you don't go anywhere and I. Don't blame you man. I wouldn't I barely leave the house and we live in an area of Ontario where there's been there's I think there are like two reported cases of Covid in Barre city of one hundred thirty thousand people. There are two reported cases of COVID. I think right now. you know Indian Ontario. I think that there's a couple hundred. and. They're and they're mostly in Toronto and in a city called Windsor actually kind of near Brian aspinall lives. and. It's and again it's mostly specifically related to like one. Situation, or whatever right where where there was like a touch point in in Windsor, it's related to migrant workers coming up. Like they do every year in Ontario to to do to work on the farms. Happens every year happens pretty regularly. And a bunch of them got covert or covert with them or something, and You know. This this one plan that has stood out to a lot of people and we have it will lincoln in the show notes because it is a great example of what you're talking about right the the the the the verb like literally like posting it out on on on twitter for for everyone to read you know a general idea of what the plan is. And I think the general consensus is that they've nailed it. That you know the Prince George's county public schools in Maryland I. Don't know exactly where in Maryland, but. They are delaying. Any decision about returning to an actual classroom until February. and distance learning will continue through the first and second quarters of the school year, and they talk about you know providing devices for all their students providing Wi fi for all their students, providing meals for all their students, which was like a huge concern at the start of all of this I remember tweeting about that as well. And You know no plan is going to be perfect. No every plan. Every idea everything is going to have cracks. You have to go into that without data expectation that everyone is flying. Off The seat of their pants, everyone, no one knows what they're doing. No nothing has ever been experienced like this before in human history frankly. So. I mean I I'm willing to give people a break when they come up with a plan like this, and and then you know you have to make a decision on the fly. By I think the thing about this plan in this this group in this obviously this leadership team. Is that. You know the roots. The foundation of this plan is strong enough. That I trust that when they come across something that they weren't expecting that they have to deal with that. I trust that they're gonNA. Make the right decision when it comes to that as well and I think that's the big difference is that there are definitely districts that are going to your half ass a plan? And then they're still going to have these things that they weren't expecting either and they're going to have more of them because the plan is so. Like? Out? that. You know they're also going to make bad decisions as response to those situations. Yeah no, that's exactly right Mike. And I really do appreciate that they do this and they do this early. And they share it, and then you're right. They were going to be able to make adjustments as things happen And to be able to inform your parents and your students, and let them start making the decisions that they need to go to start making to make this a reality, and then also your educators third going ahead and giving them the correct professional development so that they do this successfully, so it's not just something that they throw together that they do it in a way that is going to be successful, even in this kind of distance learning format. I mean. I hate to say it. But I'M GONNA. Say anyways because someone needs to I, think. This year. Students and teachers are going to die like that's the reality of the situation. That I'm afraid of. Being Lazy and anyone and so if your willing to say, you know, but. Our stores need to open. I mean you. You need to take a really good look in the mirror friend. students and teachers are GonNa die this year because of this because of this situation and making very very bad choices Yes Will Get covid, yes, they will pass it on to your grandparents. It's going to happen friends. It's going to happen. Because no one in a very few places in the states are taking this seriously as they should. It's going to happen. It was it might even happen like on the best situations. But it is absolutely going to happen in some of these worst situations. It's going to happen. And that is so sad You know kids. We know that kids spread this and we know that kids will spread it to other kids and kids will spread it to the teachers. Are Minister of Education, said the dumbest thing the other day. He said that you know if a teacher is standing six at the front of the class teaching all day. They're always going to be six feet from their kids, so they shouldn't need to worry. And it's like. You obviously have no idea how teaching works. If you think that it all that a teacher does stand in front of the class the whole day in stay six feet away from their kids. I mean close space, right? You gotta be kidding me. Licking you and hugging you would and you know I mean. It's not. None of this none of this makes sense and none of practical. Everyone needs to still stay home where people are going to die and that's. It's really as hard to say. Is that and but the absolute truth and no no mask. No sign, no poster board. is going to make. Takes Hashtag segue helpful. Toward is going to make that any different rate clan. No, yeah, there was A. Controversial topic on on twitter this past. morphed into another controversial topic, which is great, that's all that's all the great controversial topics do that. It's A. Started off basically someone on Pinterest or one of those other places, t t monster where this actually originated at, but someone got the image of it of A. Back to school Let's call it elementary cutesy. Imagery that you had post. Put Up on Bulletin Board. That's that's. The Classic T. Clip Art and CPT fonts. Yes, they are little bit Mo- Jeez of the educators. And it says we can't mask. How excited we are to welcome you back? And there are several of these that use the word mask and the and the little bit Mogi. Educators have the little masks on. And the. I get the intent the what was the intended purpose of this as far as the educators. And then they have little masks as the cut out parts, the ridden, as far as the outside of the bulletin board and get. I understand where they were coming from. And, of course, this was not well received. At all from. The majority of of educators as far as Just deploy playfulness of such a devastating and actually you just finished describing in this last little section as far as. Mentally people going to get sick, but people are going to die. People have died, and people are going to continue to die, and it's not like we're at the end of this hour. We've been saying that since. You know April. MARCH, April, we're not at the. At? The end of this were it seems again at the in the United States. Were just at the beginning, and that's horrible to think about that. There's another one that says I can't mask how excited I am to welcome you back and there's a different little image there, too. And so anyway there was a big backlash as far as. Lots of people just basically saying. Can we just not do these kinds of things don't make mask activities fund mask activities. It. It just seems so obvious but yet. Defended it. Time, that's the kind of. person that we consider friend, a friend who defended it pretty aggressively even and and talked about the idea of you know doing this kind of stuff not alizes behavior that we want kids to feel comfortable. Being a part of that, they live in a world that surrounded by conflicting voices like so this is the argument for it. And I'm fine making it whether I believe it or not. This is my style I guess but I mean the argument for it is that there are there are. Tons of voices out there. That are very much anti mask We know that that's not the behavior. We want our students to have because we know that most of the Anti Mask Kabbal is is wrong like fat, just like factually wrong and scientifically wrong. Yes, it's it's they've politicize it and turn it into a partisan thing. Where like real men don't wear masks and you know. You Know I. I live in American Americans for freedom and I can do whatever the hell I want, so you have that right? And so all of that is the ridiculousness of the Anti Mask campaign and our students hear. Those voices are students are seeing that stuff. They're not idiots. especially you know even younger. Younger students are s