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Body Language Secrets the FBI Uses & The Lost Art of Corporate Slogans and Why They Matter
"Today on something you should know, your personality can actually predict how much musical ability you have. Then a former FBI agent explains the real science of body language and you will be surprised the feed are the actually the most accurate, the faces at least accurate. For instance, young children when they're asked the kiss a relative and they don't like that relative or feeble anywhere near that relative, they'll bend the wing to initiate the kid. Also the fascinating connection between how much food you see in your kitchen and how much you way plus the lost art of creating great corporate tag lines and why they're so important. Diamond is forever was written by a twenty eight year old copyright or nineteen forty eight. That line will never change the w flash, the palm ultimate driving machine and guess what it be only tagline in the automotive world that anyone recall today all this today on something you should know. 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Your personality has a lot to do with your ability to play music psychologists at the university of Cambridge tested people's musical ability, and then link their scores to their personality traits, and they discovered that aside from musical experience, the trait of openness was the next best predictor of musical skill. Openness is defined as being willing to try new experiences and new ways of thinking. Extroversion was also linked to musical ability. So a person who is more open. In outgoing, we'll typically have more musical ability than people who are closed and introverted. Interestingly, they found that the links between personality and performance on musical tasks where present, even in people who did not play a musical instrument. This means there are individuals who have a potential for great musical talent, but are entirely unaware of it. And that is something you should know. You are constantly giving off signals and communicating without saying a word. And what's interesting is your constantly reading other people's physical cues signals without them saying word, for example, you can sense it when you're talking with someone, whether they want you to keep talking to them or leave you alone, even though they don't say anything about it, you just sense it because you're reading those nonverbal signals. And what's even more fascinating is when you study this a little deeper, you can get really good at reading those signals and here to teach you how is Joan of aro. Joe is very experienced in this. He was a special agent for the f. b. i. for twenty five years. And he is author of the book what everybody is saying. Hi, Joe welcome. So start with a brief explanation of what you did at the FBI all those years. Specialize in counterintelligence work. And I also was part of the bureau's of behavioral analysis program which look that human behavior and about three or four years before every tired. I started publishing articles for the FBI on the subject of nonverbal communications and human behavior. And so how accurate is this reading of nonverbal communication? Because one of the criticisms I've heard from people who know about this is that you can't tell much from a single clue that just because somebody crosses their arms doesn't mean they're being defensive. It could just mean they're cold or it could just mean that's their natural posture for them that you can't read too much into any of this. Well, nothing in human behaviors, one hundred percent, but there are some things which are extremely accurate. You know. Our bodies reflect what we think, what we feel and and what we intend. And so oftentimes, for instance, you'll see someone, two people are talking, then suddenly one of them will one of their feet will rotate in in the direction they want to go. And it's an intention q. and it's extremely accurate that says, hey, I gotta go. So when you were trying to read someone's nonverbal clues, but they're also talking, does the talking help or does the talking make the nonverbal more fuzzy, especially if what they're saying doesn't match the nonverbal does talking help or does it hinder. Well, I think for most people, we look for the non verbals to add to the verbal communications because non verbals is the primary way we communicate. We have done that for millions of years. So when somebody greet says and says, hey, how are you? We wanna see the smile. We want to see the arching of the eyebrows as they say those words that ad true sentiment to it because you see when it's absent when when for instance, these body exclamations are missing. That's when we begin to sense. This person really doesn't like me. But oftentimes people will, for example, put on a happy face even though they don't feel particularly happy, they're trying to send out physical signals that they're happy when they're not that tried. And that's why we have both a true smile and a false smile. A true smile pulls up towards the. He is. It's very difficult to fake. A fake smile is the one that we often use socially polls towards the ears, and that one's a fairly easy to identify or it's not full only half of the face smiles and and that's I, it's hard to smile at somebody when you're angry, how effective do you think it is? If somebody studies body language and says, okay, we'll, I know if I do this, it will mean that and and then try to fake it. How effective is that? Well, you know, some people do try to fake the body language. For instance, politicians will often give you what's called the politicians handshake where they give you the hand, and then they cover your hand. With the other hand, that's to demonstrate a closeness that probably doesn't belong there artificial. And so we can use non verbals. For instance, having somebody on the back. Back over and over when we don't know them that well, that we are in essence creating something that that is intrude. So it doesn't make us feel right. It does seem somewhat that the ability to read other people's body language is is human nature. I mean, I've never studied it, but if I meet somebody, I shake their hand and I look at their face and they're not smiling. I know something's wrong, and it's not because I'm an expert in body language. It's just that I have that sense. It seems like it's human nature. Oh, absolutely. In our nature, for instance, the studies I've seen with babies just three and four days old. They will recognize a smiling face versus scowling face. They'll smile, they'll mimic of that smile. And when you furrow your eyebrows out a baby, you can make them cry. They absolutely read your body language. In fact, they're, they're pupils will dilate when when their mother comes into the room and will orient towards the the voice. So their mother. What about some of the more common ones I had mentioned earlier, you know about people who cross their arms. And that's often been said to mean that the person is closed off for there being defensive, those kinds of stereotypical body language things are, is there truth to them? It depends. You know, look at people wonder around each other in a home, and you'll notice that rarely do they cross their arms and trying to each other. Now, do we do that more and public because it's more comfortable. Or the rooms cold or there's a slight amount of insecurity most likely when we are upset with someone, most likely will cross our arms, but then we will tighten our hands tightly on our on our on arms. We'll we'll grasp ourselves really tight, and that's a pretty good indication that things are bad in general. Do you think body language is more reliable than verbal language in in the sense that if somebody says something but their body language says something else, are you more likely to believe the body language or what someone says, I would play greater emphasis on on the on the body language because for instance, our our limbic brain are more primitive brain doesn't permit certain things to take place, and so it's extremely accurate. So for instance, if it it, won't allow you to get. Get nearer person when when you find them distrustful or suspicious, we turn away from people we dislike. So they may say they like us or we may say, we like them, but our bodies will actually rotate away from them. I'll give you an example, people who are breaking up will rarely touch their feet together. So it doesn't matter what they say. The fact that there they, they won't let their feet near each other is a good indicator that the relationship is over from your experience. Are there any behaviors? Any signals that people give out that are slam dunk? Oh, he's lying or Oshii doesn't like me, or do you always have to put it in context? Well, you always have to put it in context. For instance, at the airport, you'd expect to see a lot of stress behavior and it's because you know, flight or canceled, and and people are just stressed, but I'll give you an example of a fairly accurate. One watch people when they pursed lips and you know, the lips look like they're, they're, they're kissing somebody there person. It usually means they're in disagreements or they don't like what they heard. You know what they're talking about. It's it's extremely accurate because admit mix at same behavior that we see in children when they held their parents that they don't like something the food there about the eat and so forth. I'm speaking with Joe Navarro. He was a special agent for the f. b. i. for twenty five years. And he is author of the book what everybody is saying. 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So Joe, are there any clues that people give off that are hard to fake and there must be because that's why you know poker players are all covered up with sunglasses and hats because they give off those tells, but are there things in regular conversation that you know, you just can't fake it. You're gonna do that. There's one that I started writing about in the literature and and that is women when they are insecure struggling with something or the feel threaten they'll touch their next imple-. That's that little area right below the Adam's apple also called the super stern notch and they do it in real time so they could be on the phone talking about. The creep, they just saw and they'll put their hand over this area or they walk into a room full of men and they feel insecure. They'll cover this area of, whereas as I saw in a meeting in Lisbon, a woman was on the phone and she immediately covered this area as her husband was telling her, he just been in an accident. It's extremely accurate, and very few people know what it means that we see it all the time. He's body language pretty universal. I mean, could you go to China or Saudi Arabia and and read people as accurately as you do here, or is it pretty much culturally exclusive? There are cultural differences about most behaviors that I concentrate on our universal, and those are the ones that deal with emotion smile is a smile around the world. Frown frown around the world surprise surprise around the world. And so these are these are accurate and their universal. Can we fake things like, you know, when you go into a room and e, you don't feel very confident because you don't know anybody, can you fake confidence and will people buy it? Can you fake being happy to some extent and people will buy it? Sure, but they're extremely draining on us the they will drain the person that's having the fake it. Many of us have been told by a spouse or parent put on a party smile. Don't look that way. Change your face, they'll make faces and so forth. So for a while we can, we can fake it. But like I said, it's extremely draining on us. Are there some general rules about body language that are worth knowing or really everything is in context and individual in the situation and the person? Well, again, everything in context, but there are some general rules. For instance, weakened divide. A lot of body language is up into things that make us comfortable, and we demonstrate comfort and things that make us uncomfortable. So some comfort displays would be, for instance, a smile ahead tilt exposing more of the front of the body instead of turning away. This comfort displays would be tightening of the facial muscles, less smiling, a stiff neck. What I call ventral denial, where we start the turn away from the person, or we put things in between us. So we have less exposure. That's those are pretty easy rules and we do. We demonstrate those day in day out in real time. What do you mean in real time? Non verbals don't wait. We don't. You know, it's not like a conversation. I'll give you an example. I was at a store today and the attendant was taking too long and the media I right at that moment. My the muscles in my face started the tight as I was thinking, why is this person you know taking so long there in real time and and that's the beauty of non verbals when you know when we're talking about how we feel about something it's demonstrated in real time. Right? Right. And when you finally get up to the clerk, those things start to go away in real time. But it's an indication. And as she looked at me, she could tell that I was urged by how slow she was doing her job and and we've done this for millions of years. We've communicated to each other precisely how we feel, you know, after all wanna babies born, it doesn't speak. The mother learns to read it. And what is the baby say? I'm either comfortable and happy or uncomfortable and irritable. You say that the face is the least likely place to gauge a person's feelings. And yet you would think that if you could read somebody's face that you could get a glimpse into what's really going on in their head. Well, the the reason it's so inaccurate is that because we master how to fake how we really feel from a very young age, we're constantly being told not to make that face not to, you know, not to offend people facially and you know, we're told, don't roll your eyes. Don't don't do this. Don't do that. And yet. Other parts of our body, for instance, young children when they're asked to kiss a relative and they don't like that relative, they may put on a smile, but their feet won't go anywhere near that relative Bill bend at the waist to to initiate the kiss and the feet are actually the most accurate, the faces, the least accurate. Really the feet are the most accurate. Absolutely. They're responsible for our survival. So when you're at an ATM machine and somebody gets behind you to close, you may turn around and give a false smile, but your feet tighten up the muscles get ready to run and they will actually maneuver themselves so that they can escape. So far. We've been talking about what to consciously look for in people's body language and their non verbal communication. But don't. We also do this unconsciously, don't humans just naturally have some ability to read people. Well, our our species per se does assess for danger first and then assesses for higher second. And then we look for other things like emotions and so forth. But we do this in real time subconsciously and that's why sometimes we'll be in a room with someone and they make us really uncomfortable, and it may be because they're a predator and our brains are detecting the fact that this person may be a threat or or may seek to harm us well. And I think that happens with everybody. Everybody probably has had that experience of the elevator door opens up and you're about to get in, but there's somebody in there that kind of gives you the creeps and you wait for the next elevator, something's telling you that there's a threat there. No, absolutely. That's it. That's what Gavin to Becker was talking about in his book, the gift of fear that our limbic brain this. Very elegant. Part of our brain is designed to preserve us and the texting, and we have to listen to it. And you know, as I tell my students, you don't have a social obligation to be a victim if you don't feel comfortable on a day, getting into a car, getting into Annella later, just get out because your brain is actually communicating you that something's wrong. But what's often happens? In fact, most of the time, what happens is that elevator door opens up, that guy in there gives you the creeps you get in any way and nothing happens. That's true. And yet our brain is designed to to defend us and and we shouldn't be turning it off. You know, just because just because we don't have an accident every day doesn't mean we turn off the airbags in our car. Our Olympic brain is designed to assess for danger. For instance, predators, social, predator stare at us longer than the average person. That we react to that is absolute. It makes us uncomfortable. We should never turn that off ever in terms of lying in terms of being deceptive. When you're working in law enforcement and you see somebody say something and their body language contradicts what they're saying, what do you do? Do you assume they're lying. Well, I never make the assumption that they're lying. What the assumption that I make is that for some reason, they're saying something contrary to what they're really thinking or feeling, and there must be a reason for it. I mean, I when my daughter was young and she would come home and I could tell that she was having a bad day, but she would say, now everything's all right. There's any number of reasons why she would do that including the fact that maybe she just doesn't wanna talk. You know that that it was a small lie on her part. We, we tell lies all the time. I mean, you know, you walk past somebody say, how's your day? And they say, well, everything's fine, and it's not. It's it's it's a matter of, you know, what's the purpose of it? If it's too economize time and conversation, then it has another purpose other than just to to deceive. So based on what you're saying, we really need to pay attention to those feelings. We get those those clues that we see. That are nonverbal, but speak volumes. Her millions of years, our species communicated non verbally, we continue to communicate non verbally that non verbals or more accurate. In fact, there so accurate that, for instance, blah, when we see something, we don't like we tend to cover our eyes or we hear something we don't. Like I said, hey, Mike, helped me move this weekend. You might just cover your eyes with your fingers. And here's what's interesting children who have been born blind. They've never seen will also cover their eyes when they hear something, they don't like this is ingrained in and clearly when you listen to what all those years of evolution are telling you. And when you understand what these things mean that, for example, the feet are more accurate than the face in terms of reading somebody's intentions, MRs really powerful stuff and can improve the way you communicate with other people. Joan Varo has been my guest. He was a special agent for the. FBI for twenty five years. And he's author of the book what everybody is saying. There's a link to his book in the show notes. Thanks Joe. Over the last few weeks. 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And nobody knows it by the way, the FedEx tagline today is the world on time. The Coca-Cola tagline today is taste. The feeling and the McDonalds tagline today is on. I'm loving it, but creating corporate brand tag lines seems to have become a lost art and one that marketing executive Steve Cohn wrote about in his book power lines words that sell brands grip fans and sometimes change history. I Steve. So why the interest in tag lines noticed they complete kind of collapse and marketing over the past decade of attention to creating tag lines slogans mottos and jingles that have any relevant to consumers and or or make an impact. And while there was a tremendous amount of successful campaigns done in the from the fifties through the to the eighties and even the early nineties today, very few breakthrough. And it's because lack of attention to the importance of a few words celebrant, but don't you think it's also partly because we are exposed to so many more messages advertise. Ising messages today that it's hard for anything to break through even the best of tag lines struggle. Pepple answer, no, and I can give you very good example when a line breaks through the clutter out there, it's because it's a claim or promise that is distinctive unique and gets people to not in unison going. Yeah, that's right. And a couple of quick examples. I mean, the city Las Vegas which launched, you know, had no tagline anyone new. They hired a local writer who came up with a tagline that now every American over the age of twelve knows which is well what the people say. The line is what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. The actual line is less Vegas. What happens here stays here, but your mind actually remembers it in an easier digestible form. So I don't buy the argument that it's too much clutter out there for lines to get traction. The fact is that most companies do two things of any size. Do two things very. Today they changed their tag lines all the time. Maybe partly because they don't mean anything, and they just use generalities, you know, stick a few words together that could describe anything and therefore nothing like aim higher or the passion to perform or the word life is very popular. You know, live your life which is actually aligned. Somebody uses, I remember a life one. It was life takes visa. Yeah, life doesn't take these merchants. Take these. I mean, American Express my life, my card coke, the coke side of life, but but maybe it's just because they're tag lines there by definition afterthoughts they're not the name of the company. They're just a a tagline. I mean, what do you want him to do? You're asking a lot. They're just a tagline. Well, right. I think people think that and I don't remember that all the great tagline of yesteryear were who are both tag lines and headlines. They were the line. So. Maybe the implication of the word itself tagline today makes markers think about how well maybe that's kind of a an apostrophe should put at the end, but nothing could be further from the truth. So what are some of these great tag lines that you seem to be pining for from from yesteryear? What are some of them? Well, some of them are still around. Diamond is forever was written by a twenty eight year old female copywriter, nineteen forty eight for beers in their first diamond promotion and guess what that line will never change. BMW flashed upon the ultimate driving machine and guess what? It's the only tagline in the automotive world that anyone recalls today by a wide. You know, there's a couple of other lines aren't bad that a few people will remember on aided legs. Zoom zoom, zoom from us. At least it has some own Stu it and like a rock for Chevy trucks. So that's one industry. Coca-Cola had a great line created nineteen forty one. It's the real thing than they've been fooling around ever since no one today knows what their line is, which. Only only the four tagline experts on the planet. Me and three other people know what the line is. Wait, there's there's four of you. I'm just guessing, you know, Pepsi had come alive, you're in the Pepsi generation. Eminem still uses the line created back in the fifties, the milk chocolate melts in your mouth, not in your hand. I remember tagline from a while back that seems to contradict what you're saying because you're saying that the lot of tagline today don't say anything. They're kind of bland and boring, and they don't really have any meaning. But I remember the American Airlines tagline from years ago, we're American Airlines doing what we do best this really say anything. What is what do you think? I, I think it was very, very well done. It says that they're focused on providing a good flying experience and member United. I mean, what better tagline fly? The friendly skies. I mean that that's still sticks in people's mind. I don't think they've used that for years. Well, they used it for many years. They put it to music very methodical. Both those lines were. Put to music in and with a particular sound signature if you will, which is the easiest sound is much more easy to retain in the mind than sight of hearing something, much more powerful than seen something. Part of the problem today is people don't speak the lines, just show them on TV or print, and then expect people to remember them. And if they're not the headlines there. Sure as heck not going to remember them. Of course, you'll you'll recall where's the beef right insurance companies, believe it or not a born industry, but great lines that they've kept for decades AllState with you're in good hands with AllState state farm like a good neighbor state farm as their gyco uses. If you give us fifteen minutes, you could save fifteen percent, Morton salt since nineteen. Eleven when it rains. It pours Hebrew national hot dogs. We answered to a higher authority. It's whenever tickly like I wonder if what's going on in the cases where great tag lines get retired, is that you know new. People come in and they look at those tag lines and they think they're tired and you know, we're the new marketing people, and we've got new fresh ideas and we need to get rid of these old ideas. So we're going to retire that. 'cause it's just tired? Yes. They think that in the they're wrong. You know, if you look at all the companies that have great brand success who have stuck with their lines, I mentioned the beers. I mentioned them w, you know, there are plenty of others because they understand that these lines are the ultimate brand promise that those lines people remember people remember for American Express, don't leave home without. It hasn't been used in decades. They have no clue what Americans spread stands for today from a lot from tagline standpoint, not a clue and they spent millions of dollars. And what people remember is the only one with that. So in other words, blinds, don't get tired, what gets tired or is the advertising itself around the line. But. The tagline that stick around and that people remember and maybe even tag lines that don't stick around. But people still remember them anyway, like the American Express don't leave home without it, which is the card in which is the horse, meaning do these tagline stick around because they're good or are they good because they just stuck around so long? I would say most of reason they've hung around because you can't describe the product service or company any better you can try and try all you want and you just can't describe it any better? Can you predict the success of tagline in advance? I mean, clearly no one sitting around trying to come up with lousy tag lines. Everybody thinks that this this is a pretty good tagline, but there are few fly the friendly skies or you deserve a break today that that really stick. So is it just chance? Well, it's an art. Not a science. If you're looking for some kind of magic formula, I give. I give as much of a formula as I can't. In terms of, you know, you got to create something that has an edge to that has a personality that has an attitude state. You're claiming an original way. Your tagline should state your positioning in a way that no one has done before word play, you know, play on words very good, totally avoid platitudes that could appeal to any business or applied any business and therefore no business, you know, make sure you're lying. Can answer the question. What will your product or service specifically do for me Federal Express when an absolutely positively has to get there overnight. That's how they started. That's what they used for the first fifteen years. No one of course knows what their line is today, but they still remember that. So a great line will will remain whether you use it or not. And I see that over and over and over again as you can as you can surmise yourself just by thinking about the topic, you know what I wonder is why, if a company has retire. Tired tagline and tried five, ten fifteen other tagline, and none of them stick. Why don't they go back? Why doesn't coke become the real thing again? Why doesn't United fly the friendly skies are American Airlines, do what they do best? Why don't they admit defeat and go back to success? They're embarrassed and I don't want to admit that all the marketing and millions of dollars spent since that time gone for not, but I can give talk which I do for instance, in Atlanta, Georgia on this topic and go, does anyone know what cokes tagline is today? And it's it's like, no, the answer no one has a clue. One of the great successful now retired tag lines was variety. Can you hear me now and I know in your book that you talk about not having a tagline that focuses on a negative and clearly that does that shines a spotlight on the fact that cell. Phones, dropout and you can't hear people. So how do you reconcile the success of that with your theory that negative is not good? I've changed my mind on that one. I will say it's a line at that while as is the only one remembered in the in the mobile phone category. It also has a very high negative rating, but at the end of the day, people remember as interesting as this topic is and as fun as it is to look down memory lane at some of the great tag lines. How do you know this really matters? How do you know that a tagline is worth all the effort you're talking about? How do you know that it really contributes to the bottom line. The best you can do is look at companies that have kept their lines for years and look at where they are in their industry and the vast majority of the time they're on top the vast majority of the time they're on top and the vast. And I'd say a lot of the time when when they've changed the line one or zoo. Billion times they're struggling with the rest of the folks. Another tagline vet seems very successful, but defies the rules that you've been pointing out here is Nike's just do it. I mean, it doesn't tell you anything about what Nike does. It doesn't differentiate Nike in any way from its competitors. It doesn't really mean anything. Just do it just to what I mean. And yet everybody knows just do it well, if they always have their name, of course with the line. Right. And you're right, but but they used a lot of advertising and continue to to to to the earlier point you can take so so line and and make it your signature if you keep at it. And in this case it works for them. I think because they're not pedal that they're not hardcore peddling their products and people that they're saying, basically, you can be a better person, healthier. Ersan a more active person it's up to you, and, oh, by the way we have, we have the equipment and the apparel and and ability to provide great product for you to use. You know the the military is pretty interesting when it comes to tag lines. I mean, the marines, the few, the proud, the marines that's been around forever and people know that. But the army, the US army has has struggled with tag lines. The army had a great slogan which worked for twenty years. The all you can be, and it was perfect for the post Vietnam era. And for getting people excited again about a military career men and women and their parents. Then what do they do? They throw that out and they go with army of one. What the heck does that mean? Crazy? And then they went from then, then they decided, well, yeah, you're right. That is crazy. So now they're using army strong, which does nothing to really get the juices flowing. Strong is not a bad word, but it just what does that mean? So as we wrap things up here, take us on a little stroll down memory lane here. Some of the really great in your view really great tag lines and why my former employer, I worked at twice city city group. They had a line that employs loved that he picked him is the heritage of city to t- that applies to every business under the city unbrella and everywhere in the world was translated easily, which was the city never sleeps. And they got rid of that line back in nineteen ninety eight. And it's one of the best lines actually, in my opinion, ever created certainly in the financial services space because it's a genuine representation of the distinctiveness of that brand versus all of its competitors. No one else has the global Barath and on the ground presence of city. Why would AllState ever change you're in good hands of all state. You know, there are a lot of other examples of folks that that just stick knitting and do a great job. They don't get a lot of recognition raid, kill bugs, dead. Wrote a router right away goes troubles down the drain, wrote a router. Sure. Sherwin Williams cover the earth in odd phrase, but makes the point that you can pay anything at anytime with our pain. Some of the national service slogans have stayed. You can learn a lot from a dummy buckle up. You know, obviously for fifty years only you can prevent forest fires. A mine as a terrible thing to waste is still used, and they still call themselves United negro college fund transportation, they, you know, there was some great lines in the past fly the friendly skies of United. They really tried to put him is that maybe they, they decided maybe in this case they decided they really can't provide friendly service. Greyhound bus lines driving us a clear benefit, easy to remember us the news than used well, there clearly are some great ones in does seem that most. Of them are from that golden age of tag lines and slogans. There aren't a lot of new ones that really pop into my head as being really, really memorable. And I suspect it really has to do with the idea that maybe just people don't think they matter that much anymore. And yet here we are talking about them and pining away for the old ones. So maybe they really do matter. Steve Cohn is my guest, and his book is power lines words that sell brands grip fans and sometimes change history. There's a link to his book at Amazon in the show notes. Thanks for being here. Steve. There are a lot of reasons and contributing factors why people are overweight. 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The Sporting Life August 30th 2020
"Crude oil is crude natural gas is pure. That's why Pennzoil's based. Oil is made from natural gas not crowed gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is in the pennzoil based on sequence for aware test using sap five W. thirty. In apple stories on and off the field toe by the biggest names in the game. This is the sporting life with Jeremy Shop on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. Welcome to another dish the sporting life later in the show will be speaking to a legend from the world of track and field. Charlie Moore won the four hundred meter hurdles at the Olympic Games in Helsinki Finland Sixty eight years ago. But I. It was thirty six years ago that an electrifying New York mets rookie from Tampa sent a massive jolt through the game. That player was dot good with two hundred and seventy six strikeouts. Young DR K established the record for first year players. Last year the Melby record book was torn up again by another mets rookie from Tampa Pete Alonso the polar bear he has a gift for slugging in rear-drive, but it's buster only reports this e sixty profile for Lonzo baseball is more than a game. It has also been his salvation. Any parallels you think baseball fishing. Absolutely. Takes patients preparation, and also you don't share scattered reports. Scouting afford on yourself as someone who fishes. every once in a while I tend to get too excited. In that can lead to not hook in the bay the right way and flying off my pros I stick with it even though if it's not like we're not catching fish. Persistent. That's that's the word. Persistent. That is definitely the word to describe Twenty Five Year Old New York mets first Baseman Pete Alonso. Stress. The battle. Fatal Lonzo as struck again. Alonso has constructed his own space in baseball's history books. And endeared himself to peers along the way are calling the polar bear. His food is hitting homers. But Pete Alonso's rise to the majors. With An. Easy. Face bullying from kids throughout his childhood. From the early years until even the most recent years. I took it personal like if you don't believe me. Watch this and then you're going to eat your words. Get up bet hip out. Of course it's the poor. Born December seventh nineteen ninety-four. Pete Alonso grew up in an upper class neighborhood in Tampa Florida. Peter just started throwing the ball and hitting it on his own. I really really really enjoyed my upbringing I mean, my mom and my dad or extremely supportive. Played a lot of baseball was always outside I'm lucky 'cause Tampa's really conducive for that. This is Peter before. Getting Ready for his first baseball game painter. Here. Yes. What he's the only one at the field crack today while everybody went home if he loved. I was old enough to understand what mark mcgwire Sammy Sosa Mike Piazza were doing like Ken Griffey junior for me. It's like I wanna be like those guys. That's What was that? One, hundred, one, hundred, eighty, their job I don't want to work in an office. I only want to play baseball. There was no question Pete was focused but to a lot of his peers he stood out. He was the biggest kid in the room and he was the funniest. The kindest and he was always goofy but he was made fun of throughout his childhood for his size those figures I was picked on for it but I mean that kind of stuff really stuck with me and hurt on the inside. I internalize a lot of things they didn't really. Fight back I was punched or kicked or something like that before but it didn't hurt like physically but it hurt like mentally I still remember who exactly did it and I still remember who was. I still remember who and I remember that. Baseball was my safe place. Someone can make fun of me in the classroom or like Aaron P. E. or or whatever. But no one will make fun of me in between the lines. Here we go. That's when I got my bag. Is like yeah you're making fun of me like I'll. At home off, you suck on that. Despite his personal struggles off the field. Alonso started turning heads on it. In two, thousand eleven, the sixteen year old started playing for plan highschool. He hadn't even met the head baseball coach at plan her school yet. And kind of walked into his office one day. Instead I'm Peter Lonzo P had to prove himself. There wasn't a time where P wasn't working while everybody was out party. He played third base in high school but a lot of people were unsure it make the game look very pretty. So athleticism all that needs some work. Skillset, but the bat was special. His senior year of high school. He just basically broke out had a phenomenal season. As a senior pete hit three, eighty, seven with seven home runs, he had his sights set on the major league baseball draft. But Scouts projected. He would not go in the first few rounds. Name's Peter Lonzo on six two and two, hundred, ten pounds. I played thirteen first base. In fact, Alonso wasn't drafted out of high school and many scouts doubted his abilities but some college programs did recruit him. Pete's ultimately decided to stay closer to home. He'd signed his letter of intent to go to the University of Florida. A majority of Scout said peace not good enough to go to Florida. There's no way he's GonNa survive there I can't believe they commit him there. When it came down to it. Wants to one of the most elite college programs. And bawled out. Peter. Alonzo sends a Moonshot. Lab. Is. Trust I. Feel. So. Bad. Was a freshman. All American. I was. I see see all tournament team Sec champion I'm a two-time college world series participant I'm an all American and then I one point I had the three longest home runs in college world series history. So the Scouts are idiots. Alonso converted exclusively to first base in college. and was on a mission to prove doubters wrong. One of whom was a teacher in a seminar. was what you deem as a successful and what successful live and what your dreams are to be said I WANNA be a big league baseball. When he got to pay per bag graded, the teacher added a note depicted here in a recreation for Major League Baseball Commercial. Like to unrealistic written on. So it's Kinda just shook my hand I'm like who's this Guy Thinking is? This guy this guy? And to pro scouts, he was a dime a dozen right handed hitting first baseman with below average defense. I'm about substance I'm about producing numbers, and if you can't see those intangibles than that's your fault. In two thousand sixteen, Alonso was a junior. In Florida was on its way to its second straight college world series. Appearance. But when he started dating a girl from out of state, he had to confront the lifelong problem that continued to haunt him. Bullying. My roommates when I was in college didn't agree with me being in this relationship we decided to do long distance and they didn't get that because I mean with distance you have to over communicate my time wasn't focused on like. Gone out being being a dumb ass or anything like that, and I was being attacked for that. So it kind of got bad to where they were just totally just turned into me about it. The roommates were also teammates and Alonso says the bullying about his relationship. became relentless. Had enough the guy that was doing it. Like. This grabbed grabbed him and Michael. You don't ever do that, and then he said meet me at the clubhouse and he didn't show up. That's the best part about it. Is really unfortunate because my head coach didn't have my back either I found out that my my roommate's. Went behind my back and told him that I needed a break up with her, and then he used that against me in the game it's like Oh, you're just focused on her. You're not focused about the team you don't care. I told him go himself in the dugout and you don't ever say that to a college coach but I did I'm following my moral compass and I'm so proud of what I did. Now, she's my fiance so it's worked out fantastically. Good for Pete for standing up for himself after all these years and All the constant belittling and. Kids. And players and coaches poking fallen criticizing in they actually drives him every day. That drive led to June ninth two thousand sixteen. Draft Day. With the sixty fourth selection of two thousand Sixteen Major League draft, New York mets select Pete Alonzo. First Baseman for the University of Florida. Right there was the start of dreams becoming it wasn't just snap of a finger is long hard work in order to get nap position. You're listening to the sporting life with Jeremy Sap on ESPN radio more coming up next. Napa know. Get all the quality parts you need at your locally owned Napa because right now, when you order from Napa Online, you can pick up curbside your local store in just thirty minutes or Gig your order delivered direct to your door with three one day shipping on over one hundred, sixty, thousand quality parts when you spend thirty five dollars or more quality parts delivered quickly and safely. That's NAPA know how I know how participating stores, steady ground shipping and exclusions apply. Welcome back to the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance guests on the sporting life appear via the shell. Pennzoil. Performance Line. Welcome back to the sporting life. In our last segment, we heard a portion of the piece that bus new reported on Pete Lonzo for e sixty going up through the time he was drafted by the new. York mets for more on that story and other things going on. Now in the world baseball, we're joined by the one and only buster only buster. Thank you for being with us. Jeremy I always love talking with you I found the pita Lonzo profile fascinating and part of it was. The fact that it was so unexpected to hear him talking about these things that he had been through which I was unaware of a and I had not previously and and I think many were unaware of. What was it like for you sitting in the chair across from him hearing him talk this big baseball star about having been bullied not just as a little kid but up through an suiting his experience at the University of Florida. Yeah. It was a surprise I I read an interview before I sat down for that interview with him in person I, read a story about how gone back old middle school and he talked to the kids about, hey, don't worry about being different being weird is okay and when I saw that I felt like okay there's something there and I didn't know what it was. But I started asking the questions and as I said before it was like putting your finger into the ground and having Oriole gusher and just came out with all these hurt feelings and experiences and remembering every person and every word and really at this point in his life having those people is massive chips on his shoulder that stay with them to this day it of course we think of in this is an unfair generalization is most generalizations are we think of the Big Star athlete a guy like Pete Alonzo he must have been the most popular kid in school he must have had incredible self confidence it's almost Impossible. To Imagine. A star like that having been bullied have you ever encountered a story like this before with an athlete? Not to that degree and Yeah Penal Asta now is one of the strongest players in baseball you know six, three, two, hundred, forty, five pounds but as I got to know him through, this is made more sense to me because Jeremy he's so earnest like every emotion that he feels is out there. So you could imagine you know when he was eight nine years old and other kids were calling him fat that they probably saw the reaction in space and you know this being a kid that beds that and I'm sure it. Reverse. Florida. This team mates probably felt like Pete would never fight back which is why you know the story he told about grabbing his teammate off the scooter and basically standing up to him for the first time he felt like that was so empowering for him to finally stand up for himself speaking with buster olney about his e sixty profile of the. Twenty nine thousand nine National League rookie of the year. Pete. Alon. So when you think about what he did last year obviously unprecedented but against the backdrop of a season, which home runs were flying out of the park away they had never done. So before what would fare conclusions? Can we draw about about Alonzo based on what he did in two thousand nineteen? He's a rising star look at never been any question about him in terms of had a having hitter tools. I think surprise some people with his ability to make adjustments from adapt to adapt. But no one ever doubted his power. He gets stories about that all the way back to his childhood, but his defense has come so far and so I think what he? Proved not only you know to baseball fans but also to the mets, you weren't really planning on having a big part of what they did in two thousand nineteen that he's someone who's GonNa be a star for a long time. We're sitting here speaking on Thursday afternoon August twentieth, and about ten days ago I'm looking at the game logs here he was hitting. One ninety-seven nine days ago he was hitting one, ninety, seven with. One home run. And now he's hitting to forty seven and he has five home runs including two home run game a couple of days ago what's going on with the Lonzo? This season? Well. I think he is very much like a player I covered with the Yankees Paulo Neil and that. Someone if you remember all Neil, he was the guy when he would make an out he would go back and he would destroy the gatorade coolers and famously one time he you know in the season witching probably at three thirty runs pass burs base after making a groundout and he yells out to the first base coach I'll never get another hit. Well, that's kind of he peaks I. Think can drive himself breezy a little bit and he's gotTa find ways to get out of his own head, and gradually we're starting to see that he's been more patient at the plate. I bet you by the time we get to the end of the sixty. He's GonNa have numbers that are a representative to some degree of what he did last year. and. Interestingly, even though he's batting to forty seven, his on base percentage at three, seventy five is higher than it was last season when he hit those fifty three home runs, maybe he's not seeing quite as many good pitches, which would be a natural thing to occur guess this year in terms of the ceiling for this guy, would you see I think he's GonNa be a perennial all star you mentioned high percentage the fact that. He's willing to take walks puts in ahead of a lot of young players. It's almost a cliche. You know the big strong guy who hits a lot of home runs and strike satellite. The question is, will they have the patience to give themselves a chance and the fact that teams able to do that I think means that he's going to be around New York for a long time? It looked timing for his assent is perfect because the. Mets are going to have new ownership old ownership didn't really spend. You can bet that the new owner coming in whether it's Steve Cone or Alex Rodriguez Group that group is going to pay pedal on so and and there's no question from talking with his teammates Todd Frazier, Robinson Canal, they feel like Pete in. So many respects is the perfect personality to play in New York. You guys aren't suited to it, but he's so generous with his. Time and he's so open and he's so much wants to do good things that we saw last year mets fans really respond well to him buster of course this week one of these old school new school baseball arguments about Fernando Tastes, swinging on three Oh pitch with his team up it made me think of something and not GonNa get it exactly right. But basically, Whitey Herzog used to say when he would be criticized for letting his guys. Run. When they had a big lead I'll tell my guys to stop stealing basis when they tell their guys stop sitting hitting home runs and. Again, it falls into this Gray area of baseball. So called unwritten rules. What are your thoughts about what happened? I thought this week was kind of a turning point in the conversation I. Thought it was so cool that maybe the first response and social media to the criticism that Tattoo junior was getting was from Johnny bench the greatest Catcher of all time who's his old school is anybody and he walked through the you know, okay. Here's the sequence. You take a strike on three. You know because that's what the old school says you have to do, and then the pitcher tries to make a pitchers pitch and then he didn't grumble play. He's like just swing the bat at Aaron Boone, with the manager of the Yankees who comes from you know families grandfather play the big leagues, his father playing the big leagues and he said You know I believe in some of that and then he causing said. But when you really think about it is kind of silly and he's exactly right. It was born out by this situation look. It's not eighth grade basketball where you know one team after getting one hundred point lead should take the press off the full court press is. Baseball. If somebody's offended, make a better pitch. Right. I mean maybe a missing some of the nuance here but that that whole unwritten rule, the three thing you know it's like, okay, you know these days you have option you don't even have to throw him four balls just put him on I. If you don't want to give them a pitch to hit right like I don't this one I mean some of it I get the old school mentality but this one's kind of mystery to me and I was looking at a piece that our colleague Tim Kirkman road six years ago about these unwritten rules, any quotes Tory Humphrey e percents with that exact scenario you know. The three swinging at the three Oh and he said. He says, Torii Hunter. The question is what happens to the guy who does what tat tasted this week he says he gets killed the next day, I mean this is this is Kind of a written in stone thing in baseball and has been for a long time one hundred percent and looking through the longtime player and now great mets broadcaster. You know he gave voice to that old school mentality. He said, well, you know what's going to happen is that peace is GonNa get the guy behind him thrown at, which is what happened. Manny Machado, came up behind him at a pitch thrown behind his head and he said it is well, that's the way it's always been why Why are we questioning Pettis junior swinging three Oh pitches opposed to the pitcher WHO's throwing the batter why is that more? Okay. Then actually trying to compete and and here's the backdrop of this to Jeremy you know this isn't a time when there's less action in baseball than in any point in baseball history because of all the walks and strikeouts, and here you have a situation where the product needs action and you know what? These junior provided a lot of great action. He's an exciting young player. Why not again is professional baseball compete to the last pitch. Well Has Been An interesting week in baseball baseball's lucky to have tattoos and Alonzo, we're lucky to have buster olney joining us. Thank you so much Sir always great talking likewise Jeremy. You're listening to the sporting life with Jeremy. SAP ON ESPN radio more coming up next. Welcome. Back to the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP brought to you by shelve power nitro plus premium gasoline. Welcome back to the sporting life sixty eight years ago in the summer of Nineteen fifty-two in. Finland Charles Moore was one of the outstanding figures at those Olympic Games. He won the gold medal in the four hundred meter hurdles and he wants silver representing the United States in the four by four hundred meter relay. At the end of the year he finished second in the voting for the Sullivan Award which is presented to America's top amateur athlete. He would go on to a distinguished career in business in corporate philanthropy as a college athletics administrator, and he is also an old friend of the shaft family, which is the least impressive by far of his accomplishments. It's a pleasure to welcome to the sporting life gold medallist, Olympic Hall of Famer Charlie Moore Charlie. Thank you for being with us. Thank you for taking the call and I'm looking forward to our conversation. Charlie when you think back to the summer of nineteen, fifty two. and. Forty Eight, you did not compete in forty eight year you were still teenager then, but that was the first post, World War Two games and they were set against the backdrop of of a Great Britain still recovering from world. War Two fifty two. You could say the first modern modern Olympics with the Soviet Union showing up to compete for first time since it came into existence. What are the things that you think of when when you think back to that Summer Charlie? in the first place my dad had. Representatives United States in a nineteen, twenty, four games. So he he was always. The Legendary Nineteen, twenty four games, which of course, the subject of the Oscar winning film chariots of Fire He. Your Dad was was an alternate on the.
"Baseball tonight, the PODCAST. The Baseball Tonight podcast for Wednesday October Twenty First Two thousand twenty producing from his home studio in the foothills of Connecticut is Taylor Schwenk I'm buster only working for my own studio in New York last night game one of the world's series on ESPN radio dodgers and race, and early on Clayton. Kershaw starting for La did not look good the first inning just one swing and miss among twenty pitches he kind of all over the place. But Wow, he gathered momentum. Here's Kershaw on the top of the fourth. Pitch all the way swing scrape down at insider. They're from Kershaw and he has it role at right now. For Gas who who's doing the game last night with Chris Singleton. Jessica Mendoza and myself chiming in from time to time cody bellinger gave the dodgers the lead in the bottom of the fourth look back by glass out the first pitch swing and a fly ball right center field. It is well hit care buyer back it's gone. He hit it into the dodger bullpen. And Cody bellinger has given the dodgers to nothing lead. This is someone who when he gets hot can carry a team. He had a home run game seventy CS and he hit that home run last night care Meyer struck back in the top of the fifth. One Oh now to cure myrow fly ball hit well right field it's gone. Cabin Care Meyer Takes Clayton kershaw deep and the rays are on the board trailing two to one. And the top of the fifth kershaw continued to roll. To, to swing and a miss. And Sonnino down on strikes the side is retired. That's eight now for Kershaw. In the bottom of the fifth inning dodger's blew the game open with help from. Okay. Bets who stole second. Third and then made a great decision on the basis. Here's the to own a swing and bound I e s throws to the plate, but it's up to third base line a bit and bets will slide in safely. Seger to third MATZEC safe at first, and it's three one dodgers. And the rally continued. Full count last now now, with a career, high a hundred and eleven pitches three, two fastball little jam shot to center, and it's down for a base in and to score is seger coming around third is Muncie Smith with an RBI single to make it four to one dodgers. In the National League Championship series and Game Six and seven mookie showed up his defense. In this game, he showed off his base running and his power. We'll be bets the first batter that Fleming faces bet sense of flyable to right field. It's pretty well hit. It's Carrie it's gone. Opposite Field Home Ron Mookie Betts. And it is seventy one that's cruel. Greeting into the ballgame for Josh Fleming mookie Betts with the dodgers holding a big leads daybreak decided take Clayton. Kershaw out of the game after six innings and seventy pitches perhaps saving him. Ammunition for later in the series, the raise began to rally in the top of the seventh inning. Victor. Gonzalez was on the mound for La Three into first and second one. And the pitch and a fast line back to the vowed caught by Gonzales throw to second and they double off Brosseau. An absolute rocket back to the mound. Gonzalez. Makes the catch and turns well have been. Should have been a base it into a line drive inning ending double play. And here is Dan Schulman calling and the top the nine? Wendell bats in pretty significant crouch from the left side he swings and bounces it back them out off the bare hand of Kelly and it'll be seger getting it in firing it onto. I. Kelly looks like he's alright. Had A big smile on his face. One six three on the game ending put out and the dodgers behind a great performance from Clayton Kershaw, another homerun cody bellinger, and then they'd pour it on in the Middle Innings and they win game one, eight, two, three, raise manager Kevin Cash talked about game one not discouraging disappointing. Yeah we bounce right back like we've we've done multiple times this year and look to find a way to win a game tomorrow we got Blake on the mound, which is very, very encouraging. So No, we'll. We'll be good cash talk about Clayton Kershaw and the difficulty facing. Kershaw was on that a pretty good breaking ball gone really short and I think there's some deception involving you can appreciate and totally see why he's head into the hall of fame one day whenever he's done but I mean, he had good stuff philo seemed like it was popping out of his hand. Pretty good. Really did a nice job against us and he talked about starting pitcher tyler now. Well, just you know I, think it was alternately kind of lack strike throwing right there I looked up at one point I think he was you know thirty seven strikes, thirty seven balls that's not ideal. especially gets offense like this can really capitalize on on the free passes. Gabe Roberts talked about mookie Betts it's great and that's just another element that Mukhi brings. You know he does a lot of studying and to be able to create stress and whether it's stealing a base or just being on base to make the pitcher speed up or not execute a pitch he creates tension and each is a heck of a ball player. Roberts talked about cody bellinger of course, is now playing alonside mookie Betts you look at just sheer talent. There are a couple of the best players in all of baseball and now you take mookie who's really impacted us. Obviously we talked so much about in so many ways on both sides of the baseball as well as on the basis in cody just made another great play tonight defensively the homer couple nights ago and just taking really good at Bat. So yeah. is going to get the best of everybody, but now you know you layer in. Cody and you know the experience that he's had in the postseason to learning from that, and if he can bucket corey in that same in that same conversation, cody bellinger talked about game one that's always important in any series. Especially, the world series we did a great job of singing to our plan. It was just it was a great game overall and we gotta coming tomorrow and and and do the same thing over again and continue how fun and grind a and play as a team. Clayton Kershaw I talked about his performance in game one on sportscenter. Is a great great game tonight all the way around for us You know it didn't feel if didn't feel different other than being not in our home ballpark or being on the road or anything like that. But you know like you said I've gotten to do this before and the last couple haven't gone so well for me. So fortunate to get out there and game one and get another chance at it and You know we pulled out a win tonight and our guys played awesome. We're excited comebacks March I'd do it again. Talk about the dodgers belly obviously will with big hits jt obviously what does what he does monce Jog all the way down. It's just See the I didn't even say seger. So it's just like it's just a special team. We'll be wall fall sportscenter interview with great mookie Betts later in the podcast a couple of other notes Major League, baseball owners owners ownership. Committee. Approve The New York mets sale to Steve Cohen We're waiting word from the owners to take a formal vote to push that ahead but Steve Cone now in fully and position to take over the mets and a sad note former major league baseball umpire derryl cousins has passed away at age seventy four. His brother said after a bout with cancer. Now before we get to curl ravitch and. I want to tell you about season two of the ESPN investigates podcast that's now available. 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Some of them would go to win now he's back to the story. He thought he knew to find out what happened and why the most innovative organization in sports push itself not just to the edge. But over here from the people who were there players Astra's crossed and the unlikely outsiders to help uncover the truth the edge Houston Astros is produced by prologue projects and a presentation by cadence thirteen listen subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts spotify radio, DOT com, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Rabbie tray. With Carl ravage. Those the baseball tonight which is playing during the course of the World Series Raby tell me what you did last night. Hall, we had good night rabbits. To, Shareo a producer, Greg Collie and several episodes the baseball I. Enjoyed a little meal after our pregame show, which runs from seven to eight We Watch the game together and did sportscenter post game and we all sort of came to the realization as excited as we were I. think there was legitimate excitement. We starters at the race add lined up. We were all excited like, okay. We've got pitching pitching beats you know good pitching beats offense any day and the dodgers just you know they kinda went into their workshop and wheedled away at Tyler last now and seven cash seemed reluctant to take them out. and. In the end, it felt like you know you had a you had a a two hundred million dollar payroll difference and the dodgers were just better and that may be a knee jerk reaction to one game. We're all probably guilty of it but boy that was some cold water in the face of the expectation. This is GonNa be Great. I completely agree with you you know the phrase skipped the kept on popping in my head last night was the raise brought a gun a brought a knife to a gunfight. Like I felt like that the two sides are just on different planes especially and I. You know I talked about this on the podcast yesterday and I asked Dave Roberts, about it you know he of course was part of that two, thousand, four red. SOX team the Doug itself out from an oath three hole against the Yankees, and by the time you remember this girl by the time they got the game seven they were rolling. They were like the rabbit train like they were just going along. And they steamrolled the cardinals in the world series and I asked Robert said zoo call before last night's game is we're getting ready to do the game on ESPN radio. He started nodding halfway through my question like he absolutely sees the comparison this dodger team like that Red Sox team stared at the abyss of a three one deficit against the braves they dug themselves out. They had a great game seven cody bellinger getting a big hit and last night they just rolled into that game. And similar talent I mean superstar talent excuse me on the OH, four Red Sox at certainly. On this team you know and I and I think we you know there was a revelation during this sixty game season. And then certainly early round playoff when when the dodgers lineup turns over and the guy standing in the on Deck Circle is bets you just realize that in a sense, the circle that the dodgers had hoped was completed had never really been completed until they brought in the last piece of that puzzle and it's Mookie Betts and I on a team that has literal superstars. Cory seager is a superstar Justin. Turner is a superstar or certainly has been cody bellinger is super star Kershaw. Is a superstar Bueller is a superstar, and then you have a bunch of guys who are stars in the making you know mookie Betts is the one that shines brighter than all of them and they added him and this is year one and the difference that he's had on that team is is is massively significant and it's easy to say that and people would be like a do obviously they added one of the best players to gain. If they added Mike Trout, they'd be that. Well you could make the case and I did last night on twitter. You just asked who impacts the game of baseball that they are playing more than Mookie Betts and that's exclusive of you know somebody going out there and throwing a no hitter I understand the pitcher is ultimately the guy if he's on, that's going to determine that you take a position player and you tell me who based on their defensive abilities based on the arm that he has based on his speed based on his I, q based on his ability to foul pitches off based on his ability to get an a pitchers head. Based on his power impacts the game more than mookie Betts he finishes the circle he really does, and he's also in a special class I was thinking about this this morning of you know superstar players who are so well rounded in such phenomenal athletes. You know at that level the first name that always comes to for me is the Guy I think is the greatest player of all time and that's Willie mays. Roberto Clementi was certainly in that class Mickey Mantle who is mostly remembered as you know for all the home runs he hit but when he started and before he blew out his in the world series unbelievably fast is a switch hitter. He was that type of guy and obviously trout is that type of guy although the one difference between him and McKee is that Trout just doesn't throw nearly as well, but it's a barren small group of players. Who are at that level to impact games in that way? I would agree and I think I would put very balance. except. Files an like trout. Sorry to interrupt Carl bonds a little bit like trout at the one thing he didn't really do that well was throw. Yeah but I'm I'm just thinking early in his career when he was running when he was playing out the when he was a guy that. You know the arm may not have been a ten. It may have been eight seven but his q the intangibles that go along with the physical to me. Anyway my observation was I would probably put him. In that category, but you know and look. wookey batch was dancing off second base personally I said detects and he's GonNa Steal Third soon as they threw to second base I thought that next pitch he was gonna go see it was a couple of pitchers later that he ended up stealing but look you're right I know somebody described be impacted a great point guard could happen a basketball team. It's really hard to do that on a baseball field give the few times you've come to the plate but the game is going to be impacted in one way. Or another Vibeke bets whether it's a great catch, a home run robbing catch shoestring catch a slow just literally taking in that first I bat you go three into on glass now you're like, okay. Well, again, check he did his job you got pictures exposed it's not going to be an easy night for tyler glass now anytime mookie Betts comes off, there's going to be fouled all's and and he's he is the straw that stirs it and he's an agitator and he's he's also likable like the the there's just There's a wonderfully irritating aspect to mookie Betts from an opponent's perspective where it's not like the Dennis Rodman who you want on your team but you just didn't really like like mookie Betts is a likable guy i. think he even you heard his mike last night when he was chatting with Willie ADAMAS law standing on second base like he he's affable. You know and he's an affable assassin 'cause he's going to kill you. And he killed the raise last night was that such a two thousand and twenty moment I didn't hear the Mike Because I was doing game on radio but I assume from the body language that what happened was is in Mogi bets who of course, played in the American League East Against Willie Damase got to second base after stealing the base and sees Willie standing there. He's a super nice guy too and they're like, Hey. Good to see you hey, willy to see and they share hugs because of course, it's two thousand and twenty and everyone's been locked into their own divisions They've been locked in bubbles. I'm assuming that's kind of what it was about. It seems to be in there to be some cat and mouse going on you know with last night looking back and Adamas Tony as the mookie kind of smirking like it's you're not gonNA. Get me can play your game whatever you're gonNA. Do you know probably thought bubble look I'M GONNA Steal Third I'm not gonNa tell you that but that's what's going to happen here and eventually he got the thrill over to second base go back safely and Yup here not now I'm definitely gonNA. Steal and thought bubbles turned into reality and they double stole and I know people who have certainly re tweeted it but you know mookie Betts and one other guy are the only two people in history of baseball to to walk and steal to bases in the same many of a world series game. It's McKee back and Babe Ruth I don't know the Babe Ruth was the all around athlete that Mookie Betts was but anytime you and Babe Ruth are on a list together and that's it. Your instant pretty elite company. Yeah. His last three games that he's played in this postseason reminds me a lot of Roberto Clementi from the seventy one world series where it was like that became clementi stage. You know he's throwing the ball all over the place. He's making plays running the line. He's scaring baserunners only hit a home run that gave the pirates, the a one Oh lead in game seven of the world series, a game they won. Two to one. The other two funny about movie is that he's not swinging the ball bat that well, right now Carl he when he's going great, he's pulling the ball. We really seen part of his game and yet he is dominating. In recent days, which is why this is so much fun. How `Bout Clayton Kershaw last night I actually thought I ending like Ono he's in trouble I. Twenty pitches he got one swing and miss is he acknowledged after the game he's bouncing sliders in the dirties not really close, and then he comes out after that and makes an adjustment in winds up with a fifty percent swing and miss rate the race Wong Thirty, eight times against him in his seventy eight pitches and they swung and missed nineteen times a fifty percent swing and misread not only is the highest rate of any stored in his career postseason a regular season Paulie Bikita sent this along this morning. It was the highest rate in a world series start by any pitcher since they started tracking that statistic in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eight by the way. That's the last year the dodgers won the world series. You know for Clayton. Kershaw. It was the perfect storm in the sense of the team that he's facing and I mean I I'm I'm guessing you like everyone else by about the fourth inning you recognize we'll. We'll. We're watching we're watching baseball in thousand twenty or of seeing a whole bunch of strikeouts. We're seeing very few players get on base and we assume this is gonNA. End when somebody hits a two. Run. Home run that that's how this is going to play out the fifth inning changed because there were some walks and obviously we saw some still basis which was which was wonderful because we don't usually see that but there's a there was a point that GAM you're like Yup seen this movie before who's GonNa hit the home run and Kershaw's ability to work around the rage bats I think highlights again the significant. Difference between the two teams for as similar as they may be in some ways that there does appear to be a difference between the way that the dodgers approach at bats similar to the way that the Astros had recently approached it bats the red sox the Yankees there are just there is an mookie made it quite clear after the lcs we just grinded Bass and you know it sounds cliche and it's Probably Boring and no one really wants to hear about grinding it bad because that means foul balls and long at bats but that they do wear you down and the raise don't you know the raised didn't wear Clayton. Kershaw down at all and he eventually stopped Danzig. Balls. Tyler last now never stop bouncing balls I. in fact, at one point I think we asked has he thrown more balls that hit the dirt. or the glove because every inning it's felt like tyler glass now was bouncing ball after ball after ball and Kershaw is used to have in the first inning was, and then he wasn't and they need ended up with fifty percent swing in this but the ideal team, and this is why you worry about the series when you know Walker Buehler's about to show up and whether it's worrying or may like they have swing and miss stuff and you're bringing it to a team that swings and misses that that can be exposed again, another significant difference between these teams and in the end currently after one game. You're left to feel like holy smokes the dodgers are so much better than the raise he and I was talking with a really smart person yesterday someone you know well and I can't use his name, but he basically said game to with the way the dodgers are right now blake Snell is a terrible matchup for the race because he talked about how this is someone and look Blake Snell Wanna Cy Young Award. When he's at his best he's got great stuff and dominates hitters. He doesn't have great command right now he runs really deep counts which could potentially play in the hand of the dodgers as as they are. and. It look. I looked it lined up beautifully because last now dose have slowing in this stuff when he's right, he wasn't right. So they had a big chance last night and in Tex- tech said during our pregame show he thought that was a must win game for the race like you need to win game one you you need to beat Kershaw, which would you know set them off for the? Next kershaw start that didn't happen. You need to get the length of glass no, they tried that didn't really work You need to set the stage to show that what you guys have done through the regular season playoffs Israel Randy arosa Raina locked night. You know he got kershaw he he looked very I. I don't WanNa use the word amateurish but look he was you could pitch to him Up until the world series. You couldn't get randy arose arena out and and he was hitting home runs at a rate that was buried bunch last night. He looked very regular and Kershaw did that to them. Euler will likely do that to the rest of the race and whoever they start. Someone's GonNa Start Tonight and whoever they go to again you you just wonder, is this a knee jerk reaction to a Game One performance or are we able to you know sort of see the forest through the trees doesn't this matchup doesn't work for the rich? No the only young player who I I've seen who basically adjustments never mattered was Soto like want sodas in class by herself randy rose arena last night Hembo send along these no fifteen pitches three fastballs three changes to curb all seven sliders they're working down in in in. The area that we talked about on the podcast yesterday is being a potential weakness for him. I don't mean to overstate this because you know if if the race fall behind or it's a one sided game than the dodgers might pitch him differently I kind of think he's going to be a non factor. Carl. In this series, because the dodgers have decided, he's going to be, which is why Brandon Laus struggles are so big. And just watching his body language last night. It actually reminded me of Cody bellinger from a couple years ago and they were throwing the sliders down down and down in, and he could not conquer that he could not get over that renting looks like he's so deeply in his own head. Saturday buster. You're you're right and you know the insistence on the way we do things with the raises to leave in near the top of the order it seems clear and again, what seems clear to most doesn't necessarily. Fit the, it seems clear to us with the raise they. They obviously do things differently I know I was not in the minority went cash took Morton out the other day it was like, wow, really we're GONNA we're doing that now and it worked one point about it works. Necessarily doesn't mean that it wouldn't have worked if you left him in, but it works take him out. So we all assume that it was the right decision. If you left morten might have work we we don't know in the case of leaving Brandon Lau at the top again it doesn't feel like that's the play Kevin Cure Myers back he hit a home run maybe we removed Kevin Cure Meyer up and Brandon Lau down maybe we move down but he does he looks defeated the home run hitting the LCS sometimes like Kansallis with. The, catch last night the ball games, the globe it felt like allows homer the bat found the ball as opposed to it. Actually you know sought it out and and did what it was supposed to do is more like that was a that was a buck showalter or contacted damage. You know that that was that was one of those. We throw the bat at it and Whoa my gosh, it new went out. So it's not the same God that was so great during the regular season and back to A. Rose arena quickly. You know we were all wondering who else is GonNa hit meadows hasn't hit. Brandon. Hasn't hit Yandi Diaz hasn't hit at some point. You realize there's only one dude hit year and if we can quiet him and the other guys don't figure it out. Well, how are we gonNA lose and that's what it felt like last night who else is going to hit, ya? Yeah. Exactly and by the way if the raise win tonight, we'll probably boom back boomerang back the other way. Way. So great about the world series. All right. I got two more for you before we go. That are not related to the world series. If Luneau the longtime general manager, the Astros who was implicated in the Science Stanley Scandal that was ruled upon by Major League Baseball fired and he's currently out of baseball serving his suspension, the intern interview with KP our C. in which he basically said he didn't have knowledge of the cheating scandal give a listen if I go through all of my behavior. All of my actions they're consistent with someone tells the truth and they're also consistent with someone that did it. No I did a lot to try and prevent us from doing anything wrong after the red sox and the Yankees were punished in two thousand seventeen. I had a conversation with our manager and I asked him if anybody are dugout was using fitbit's are apple watches or anything that would be remotely considered against the rules. He told me that one of our coaches had been using an apple watch but. After, the incident with the Red Sox had stopped wearing it because clearly were supposed to be doing that he did not tell me anything else about trash can banging or any impropriety I gotta say Karl After hearing that it reminds me of when you hear a college basketball coach head coach, you know saying he had no knowledge of a paper place game from his ear like you were in position to know like all that trash can banging on for a long time. There are a lot of people with. Knowledge of that, and then remember Carl into in the fall of two, thousand eighteen the Astros put a team employees in the photo will next to the Cleveland Indians dug dugout next the Boston Red Sox dugout until Major League baseball complained, and Jeff. Now said there's nothing to see here. This was preventative look. There were a lot of signs and a lot of complaints in a lot of things going on for him did not have any knowledge and I'm sorry I'm just not buying it what about you? Well I. Think the head in the sand thing is a fairly. Easy one for people to fall back on especially at the level that he's at the suggests to anybody that would ask him. Don't don't ask don't tell right I don't want to know so. In a sense I, it's it's sort of like we'll do July. Will I withheld Didn't lie but I also withheld information I knew in this case could feel similar to that concept of I I'm sure you know I get I got a party with a bunch of high school boys and girls downstairs do they kiss? Are they? You know what are they doing i? Don't know I didn't go down there but you certainly had some concept of what might be going on and you do face done some of the conversations that your your son and his friend. We're having visited Jan something like that's going on in house case, and I think rob Manfred kind of made the point yesterday during his interview tour regardless of whether. Lou. Now new exact details or not, and we have evidence that in our opinion proves he does but regardless of that part of it he's in charge. Yes. He he needs to know he was charged with being aware of what's going on so In in both senses I think he was aware you're gonNA. If you're asking does every single detail I I don't think he'd want to I don't think he'd want to know because I think that makes them complicit in it but I think there was an absolute awareness and probably knowledge of to. So I I'm with you on that. Well I I mean think about what was going on hundreds. Of Times that trash can was being bank right at some point somebody might have picked that up and especially as is involved as he was in all elements of his organization and rightly. So you know this Astra's very successfully made a lot of great choices but to be that involved in so many things into basically say I had no wariness I I'm with you. You're in charge you gotta know. And yesterday, the little bustard, there's a little responsibility on you. It's not like you didn't read the papers. It's not like you didn't read the Internet it's not like you hadn't heard of some of these things and then they then the responsibilities on you to go and find out as opposed to go into high. What I don't WanNa know what that is. Actually that is what you have to. Yes you've got to go and dig. You've got to ask the hard questions so that you do have the knowledge so you can stop it and it feels like he's telling everyone I went the other way like wasn't ideal. Yes, he. Had the power just as Jay handle all along had the power to basically go to the the players who you know, and he said that he wasn't really that involved. He had the power to go to the coaches to go to the players said, knock this off or going in the interview room across the hall and I'm going to tell everybody everything would have stopped in the same way. Jeff had the power to go to Aj look in the eye and said it's anything happening. If anything is happening, you need to end it and apparently didn't do that Real Quick Steve Collins has been approved by the management committee. As the future owner of the New York mets, this is what we expected. I sent Carl a lot of hope. A lot of home among mets fans coming up here as he takes over as owner. Of course I. mean why wouldn't there be you know you got a guy who's a lifelong met fan who has suffered along with other fans who looks at this organization now as as more than just somebody who goes in pays you know thirty bucks a ticket and gets his beer and popcorn and roots. Now he has not only a rooting interest he's got a vested interest in improving the quality of the product. Why wouldn't there they? The only other person that I wished may have gotten involved if I were a fan and bought the team after reading some of the things I read yesterday is Michael Bloomberg I mean Coen's worth fifteen billion apparently Michael. Bloomberg value is fifty, five billion. So he only disappointment for me yesterday as a met Fan why did Michael? Bloomberg by this team Steve Cohen his team fifty, five billion dollars to help with this. But of course, they should be optimistic and. I have no other reason to believe that in in one to three years this this shift, a total about this. All Right Ravi I hope the train continues to roll through the postseason for a little bit longer the four games. Amen to that. After game one of the World Series Mookie Betts spoke with. Kenny. Mayne on sports. Center at night. Just Just. Happy to be here with his guys. They've they've made it so much fun for me. Really easy for me. I just Kinda sit back and watch them play our baseball historian Carl ravage who probably got this from Tim. Kirch. In tells us that you Babe Ruth are the only two in the history of world series play to walk, and then still two basis in the same inning. Did you consider stealing home to get Babe Ruth off you? Know I didn't I was I needed to get the second so everybody can have some Tacos you know. That's what's important to me, and then you got the third and then you came in with what was it consequential run? You ran right on contact take us through that play. I knew I needed to get a decent decent primary lead, and then secondarily I needed to be ready. Soon the the ball hits the bat. OFF Like I said I've practiced it so many times spring training throughout the season. Just for just one moment. I was able to execute. You make it sound kind of boring but you're one of the most exciting guys playing in the game right now you remember your other world series home run a couple years back who you hit it off. Yeah. Yeah. It was my only other one off Kercheval. We definitely didn't bring that up though. Do know what kind of pitcher was. His signature slider, it was actually a good pitch. I just threw it right into the one place can hit well this time you're on his side. GotTa be comfortable when he starts dealing like the way you was for you guys to be out to then you get a little leading the game gets a little more comfortable. Yeah when he was rolling like that, we knew we had to do a score a couple of runs and he was going to hold them. Now. They scored a couple of runs late, but we ever to hold him off and. No one game one, where do you feel you stand in all time? mookie is right now there's MUCCI blaylock. There's you mookie from do the right thing you feel you're up at the top at this point. I feel like we're close. I was named after Mookie blaylock. So he's got ahead of me. mookie. Do the right thing. I don't know what his last name. He. He was known before I third since I'm the third one. Just happened to be a partisan some great mookie blaylock the former name of the band, Pearl Jam Rock, and Roll Hall of fame. You guys had to struggle so much to come back in your last series to get there. Did you guys have kind of a different comfort level like hey. We're happy to be here. Let's just go out and play relaxed. Yeah it was like you said the struggle to get here a lot of emotions a lot of. Took a lot out of us Go get into that last series in nowhere here now you know. Just. Enjoy it and. See what happens. Numbers Gay. THERALAC, a reporter and producer primary dot com we rely on for numbers all over the place Sarah Start today with a confession for you. Okay. the other day I told you that in writing this article that you helped me with about the greatest world series performers ever that Ad Madison Bumgarner one, I got cold feet, and before I filed it, I changed the ranking. And I didn't have bumgarner one. I just looked at it again and again, and again, I thought I how do I pick against Mr? October Reggie Jackson who has just crazy numbers? So I, apologize for that because they know you were excited on your mom's behalf that I picked up. Bumgarner I was very excited about that and my mother was very excited about that show. That, but it's okay I. Mean I I do think that you know we get a lot of recency bias and I was worried when I sent you some listen had bumgarner up there. Then maybe I was being too recently bias with that and because I saw that happen a lot of these other performances I didn't actually see happen but there I don't know one one, B One c one d. these are all outstanding performances to do all of these things in the world series. So I don't we'll see what my mom says. Rickey Jackson my goodness when you go back and look what he did I, mean you know and the funny thing is he missed the whole seventy two world series because of an injury and we finally got a chance to play in the World Series and seventy three your mets he he beat up on game six and seven, and then in the seventy seven world series, he just destroyed the dodgers I know that because he made me cry a little kid. All right now, let's play the numbers game number three number three is fifty percent. So that was Clayton Kershaw freight last night in his start, which was the highest in any game of his career where he threw at least twenty five pitches and I really think this is worth noting because Clayton Kershaw is so good and I know the postseason I know all of that cling Kershaw has had so many outstanding starts in his entire career in that fifty percent was. A higher rate than he'd had any start of his career including the regular season including the playoffs including everything else it was the highest by starter, a world series game as far back as we have pitched tracking and one of just five postseason starts where pitcher had at least twenty five swings against him and had at least a percent whiff rate in it along with ones by Tim Lindsey, Graham Corey Kluber Blake Snell and Walker Bueller in in the postseason not span. Number two is three. So cody bellinger has homered in back to back games he homered in. Game seven than he homered again last night only one player in dodgers history has homered in more than two straight games in the postseason was bill matlock in three straight in the nineteen eighty five. In. The amazing thing with the dodgers. I, think I've brought this note off in some form or another like four times already this post-season because they've had a bunch of guys go you know hit a home run in back games but nobody nobody else adopts history has homered in three straight postseason games. He bellinger will do it tonight number one number one is to so mookie betts had two stolen bases last night, we know he was the second player in MLB history with two stolen bases in a walk in the same inning with the other being Babe Ruth. The last player was multiple stolen bases in consecutive postseason games regardless of how many innings they took or anything else was Ricky Henderson in nineteen, ninety, nine in two straight LDS games for the mets and five players have had multiple stolen bases back back world series. Games Omer. SKELA. Nineteen ninety-seven Kenny Lofton ninety five Bobby Tolan in nineteen. seventy-two Lou Brock in nineteen, sixty, eight and Jimmy slagle in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seven. But this this is the one where I was staring at this. How has this not happen before only one player in postseason history has had at least one home run which movie best had last night at least one stolen base in backed back postseason games Jose can go in to straighten nineteen eight. That's just back to back postseason games not even just world series that was actually alias Game Four for him and then World Series Game One nine hundred, Eighty, eight against the dodgers so you and I have. Friends who are fans of various teams on a scale of one to ten what's the bitterness scale among the Red Sox fans that you speak with watch mookie betts play this way. Oh. My Gosh. I mean, just just look at twitter last night I. Mean it's incredible at this amazing game and yet the Red Sox were I think trending on twitter it's. Definitely a conversation topic, but you know what's so great about Mookie Betts is that the sense I get from people who I know who are Red Sox fans from people who I see talking is like the McKee that's just so lovable. You have so much respect for everything he does that it's hard to be to to in grind there's anger towards the red sox maybe towards the way the team is run itself. But you can't can't not smile watching the abouts do all of this? No. The reporters who cover the Red Sox are tweeting out a lot with sarcasm about quote unquote payroll flexibility, a lot of a lot of that believe me is going to become a running theme as we go into two, thousand, twenty, one in Boston for sure. All Right Sarah thanks for doing s always great to talk with you. have all your mom for me I allow. Bleacher tweets. Already. Buster bleacher tweets for Wednesday I got Debbie Gamons Brown. She writes in we know you root for good stories not team. So what stories are you reading four in this world series buster? Yeah. Until I don't know if he saw but Debbie sent out a tweet the other day saying that she loved the story about Tim Cartoon. Yes. Jockey around the parking lot to the tune of rocky put out by producer Justin where. You know that that's that's a pretty cool tweet I'm rooting for more of that more stories like that. Maybe Tim, we'll have something good when he returns the pot on Monday but I'm guessing not it seemed like he was a little i. wish they had seen me do that I know exactly. So the best stories in rooting for in this one you know I I'm rooting for Clayton Kershaw. He's a really good person. It'd be nice to check his box. I'd hate the idea of a hall of fame player You know first ballad unanimous election like him going through his career and just having a hangover I I find it to be a little bit tired and so I kind of want that. Over with you know I refer individual players in the team for different reasons you know Blake trying and grey guy Dave. Roberts. George Lombard different people new organization you really happy for you know and it's interesting on the dodger side. One of the people in the Front Office Galen Car who I went to the same high school is he did and I've got an own through the years and on the other side if the raise won the world series and Oliver Drake, and went to the same high school again I did he would get a world series ring. So son somebody from my high is getting a world series ring by the time. This is over in the razor are terrific people you know cash it'd be fun to see him rewarded Kevin Kerr Meyer who just loves baseball I'd be happy if he wants those are kind of the stories I'm rooting for. Next. Time we got PK Steinberg he writes in I'm getting sense four however good. The race pitching is normally good. Pitching wins world series. The dodgers haters are just much better. What do you think? You have PK I agree with you it's why pick the dodgers to win the series I felt like they're experiencing manifest but after watching that last night and knowing the Blake Snell starting tonight. I should have been more aggressive than picking the dodgers and six. Sorry about that. Taylor. It's all good next we got kayaking Smith. He writes in he's basically saying he thinks the braves would have won a best of five series against the dodgers and wants to know if you think the LDS should be best of seven. Now I don't think so I think the playoffs are long enough. In fact, this year sixteen teams I. think There are a little bit longer. Than than what do you normally have, and after all this years in aberration I, I liked the division series being. and. Finally, Scotty Barnes at Scotty Oh barnes rates in what odds do you give for Major League baseball to start with the same schedule East versus. West versus West, etc and the twenty twenty one season. Scotty your question is based on the question essentially whether or not. We're going to be back in the same situation with a Corona Virus I loved what Hal Steinbrenner said last week in an interview and the Michael Case Show when he was asked about fans in the stands and you know how different things going to be, and he said, I have no idea and neither do you none of us have any idea until I think you know there's some kind of a vaccine and people are comfortable going to Ballpark and massing. I. Just. Liability he's reduced for these teams with fanshawe up in the Ballpark I. Think we're GONNA be right back in the same situation. So fingers crossed that they find a vaccine and they can distribute that you know wide. Because until then I think we're GONNA have a Lotta lockdown. What do you think Taylor I'm kind of with you man I think we're going to be in the same boat and people sleep on the distribution of the vaccine keeping keep an eye on that every all talk about the vaccine but it's very hard. There's three hundred plus million people in our country thinking about how long it's GonNa take for everyone to get one. So something to think about unfortunately. All right. That's bleacher tweets Hashtag lead tweets on twitter, subscribe to rate and review this podcast wherever you listen to your podcast. And just one quick thing I got a tweet yesterday waiting for the podcast I know my schedule's annoying and takes me a little bit longer than I'd like to get it out. But if you subscribe to the PODCAST, basically the second I press publish it's going to be in your feet. So that is a major key if you have not figured that out already right that's it for today. Thanks to Carl to Sarah to Taylor have a great day everybody. Thanks for listening stay safe and remember hating inequality based on skin color is something that we need to fight against every single day. Thanks for listening to the baseball tonight podcast. 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