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Simply Bitcoin
"steve barber" Discussed on Simply Bitcoin
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Blue Collar Bitcoin Podcast
"steve barber" Discussed on Blue Collar Bitcoin Podcast
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Simply Bitcoin
"steve barber" Discussed on Simply Bitcoin
"So there's bitcoin there's shitcoin shitcoins headed to zero those exchanges that gary gensler is cracking down on like a madman but also because the rules on the books if you even go by the 30s securities law that does apply here because there is a middleman or a foundation or a group of founders or a pre -mind that involved these certain people that got to stake 70 of the net coins to begin with and they can change the protocol on a whim any day any time of the week and you invested in them seeking a profit which means that is a security like it's so blatant and obvious but michael sailor gets that and we're gonna see this you see the swans you see the strikes you see block stream what else do we have someone was just talking about bitcoin only exchanges so you've got bull bitcoin you've got swan to get some no kyc in canada you can go actually no kyc at a post office with bull bitcoin and then the bisque network is there as well for people or just plug in a miner start mining some sats in the back get you a black box something like that like steve barber was talking about at the conference but guys not not your keys not your coins do not leave your coins on the exchanges the blockstream jade for the price point and all the features is one of the best like pound for pound dollar for dollar hardware device you can get so make sure you're using ethical bitcoin wallets ethical hardware don't don't be a trust me bro all right be a sovereign individual absolutely love it rolling back a little bit to the beginning you know trusting maybe a bit iffy but they are at least seemingly a legitimate news source but uh i mean like this is why we tell you guys to take self -custody because binance may deny this um but this is why you hold your own keys call these exchanges bluff i jokingly said in the past that cz had a very intimate relationship with the ftx debacles and i wondered why you know things that make you say i really wonder how he had such an intricate intimate understanding of what ftx was going on but again i know we started this with the hotel clip that made the rounds on twitter and i think it's a very real concern for most people i had this conversation yesterday with with an older gentleman and it was the same idea of like i tried to explain to him how he's going to have to hold his own keys there is no one to blame and i just knew that there is there's a very real conundrum here for most people they they'd rather trust someone but this is what bitcoin fix like bitcoin literally fixes this guys like you do not need to trust anyone with your money this is why we are in the position we are in with fiat money and this is why bitcoin was created in the first place again i always reference the first two paragraphs of the white paper the fiat system runs on trust and as we talked about yesterday the central bankers are simply pr teams they literally are there to say trust me bro everything is fine keep giving us our money we're gonna you know we're gonna make crazy bc investments with your money but trust us
Bitcoin Magazine Podcast
"steve barber" Discussed on Bitcoin Magazine Podcast
"Of what I've been paying attention to in studying and interviewing OGs and stuff like that, I think I'll probably I'm probably at 85 to 90% of owning all the machines that have ever been made for Bitcoin. It's not that many left that I'm looking for. And I'm excited to show all that stuff here in the next couple of weeks. Yeah, we're incredibly excited to have you down there. It sounds fascinating. And I guess too, it's Adam's point as well. I'm really curious to see what these innovations as it relates to heat recapture are going to look like. I think, you know, when you think about evidence of basic one, but you think of somebody, you know, repurposing that heat for their home, but as mining becomes more and more competitive as vertical integration becomes more and more necessary. I think large scale heat recapture is going to be like for industrial use is going to be fascinating to watch in an area of innovation. And I also think that that type of incentive will drive some really interesting innovation as it relates to energy efficiency. I think that's like kind of bringing it back to the beginning of the conversation. There is a cohort of environmentalists who are, I guess, perhaps overly focused on energy efficiency in terms of meeting their goals or achieving their objectives, but I think that they're going to be pleasantly surprised to see that this thing that many of them have been opposing is indeed a boon to some of their objectives. So yeah, I think that'll be fascinating. Yeah, I'm really inspired and I'm, you know, I'm always fascinated by the heat recapture. And one thing that, you know, one thing my boss, the Steve barber, who's one hell of an engineer, always reminds me is that, you know, heat transfer via air is, it's incredibly inefficient. And you know, the one thing about asics that is kind of a bummer is that they generate the temperature that they run at.
The Café Bitcoin Podcast
"steve barber" Discussed on The Café Bitcoin Podcast
"So when event comes out and within 15 seconds, we can have the load fully down. It really comes down to the responsiveness of the program that you're in. But a limiting that manual action of throwing breakers, you're protecting your equipment. You're helping with the longevity of it. These are larger investments that people make. So we want to make sure we're not just losing power supplies and losing hash boards every time we participate in these activities. So those signals come out and we quickly talk to every single machine on the network and put it into sleep mode or hibernate mode. So there's been news on the regulatory front and Texas. I was actually on the host of S.W.A.T. signal and I had Pierre Richard and Steve barber on, I think it premieres later today. And so I think we have a lot of their takes this new Texas bill that passed the Senate and what would you guys say to people who look at Bitcoin mining when it comes to the grid stability like if you could sit in that room with these legislators, what would be your arguments for why they should consider this as an innovative technology to help improve things in the energy industry. Yeah, I mean, I think we talked about it before. It's like incredibly powerful and quick software. You're adding kind of like a software or you're adding a new layer to the century old power grid, whereas before you had maybe steel plants that would do demand response or turn off and supply more power. And now you have these incredibly powerful computers that can do the extremely quickly. You're improving the power grid.
What Bitcoin Did
"steve barber" Discussed on What Bitcoin Did
"Live in London and pay exorbitant prices. The subway in New York is the thing that ties the city together and makes it livable for millions of people who couldn't afford to get around otherwise and commute. So they're really, really important. Pieces of infrastructure for literally millions, if not billions of people around the world. And the fact that they're just so poorly managed and losing money and it's really frustrating, central planners. Let's get back to energy. So I want to make one final point in energy if that's okay. Not final point. But another important point to bring us back. And this is something else that I learned from your show. I don't remember who it was who phrased it this way. You guys might remember. But this was, I don't know, probably a couple of years ago. Actually, maybe it was Nick. There's a direct correlation between human flourishing, but the success of human society. And the extent to which dense, cheap energy is available. Throughout human history, those are tightly correlated. What is that name? I think that's come up a few times on the show to be honest. I think Steve barber might have said that as well. I think Alex Epstein might have covered that as possible. But again, this is a key point, and it's something that really struck me and stuck with me. I mean, obviously I heard this a couple of years ago whenever it was discussed. And I think it's the thing that gives the lie to what you were saying a moment ago about the kind of very liberal, very progressive green energy agenda, which leans towards de growth. No, we want it's not that we want to reduce the energy we're consuming, necessarily. We just want more abundant greener sources of energy, other things being equal. But that consumption of energy is fundamental to human flourishing. I think that's the point I'm trying to reemphasize. And I think sometimes it's harder to see it in developed western nations. Because you see energy everywhere, you see grids that are fairly stable. Talk to martial law wherein he went out to Kenya and saw the gridless project. And he said, these are going to villages when when it gets dark, everything stops because there is no light. You might lie the fire. You might light a candle. He said, when you bring power, electricity to these villages, you open up certain opportunities like a refrigerator. So any food you have, you can store and it
HASHR8
"steve barber" Discussed on HASHR8
"Know that a lot of the off road geyser the disciples of Steve barber, if you will, they love to come and troll me about when what's minor in. All I can say is I'm not sure yet, but first, and we'll go from there, but if I had a sat for every every time I've heard when what's minor, I'm not saying I'd be a whole coiner, but damn near it. What do I have to be on this show? You'd be retired somewhere. Yeah, it's interesting to see that continue to be a debate or a thing. I should say not really debate. So you're saying here, it's because the market just not necessarily like a push right now. There's enough business for the M miners to keep going there. Does that have anything to do with how difficult it is to work with the micro BT back end? Is it harder or simpler to work with that and develop some sort of firmware for it? I can't speak directly to that because I haven't even gotten my hands on it. I'm not sure if we've even put what's minor in the hands of our engineering team. The pace that they've done this stuff, like just since I've gotten here, like with how quickly they respond, like I'd be surprised if our guys couldn't. Get into it. But I can speak to one of the factors that may affect it or influence how difficult it is is variability in supply chain. So when we started this whole project off, one of the big topics of discussion for us and one of the critical points for us to innovate here, when we started off, everything was shipping from ant miner with an island's control board, right? So it's the one with the micro SD slot on the back, not a micro USB and not the blank plate with the U.S. or the SD underneath, right? The xylene is what we support, right?
The Café Bitcoin Podcast
"steve barber" Discussed on The Café Bitcoin Podcast
"Thing on the wheel. So I'm getting like a dollar worth of sets for paying my credit card offer $5. I only really do things. 20%. That's huge. I know, it's crazy. So when they are making it really difficult on everybody else. When will when will is looking at all of the data on their analytics dashboard about who has the most interaction? Neil's account is a spike that goes straight through the roof on the chart. Well, I have so many $5 credit card payments that I use like my city card. I have so many $5 credit card payments. And also PayPal, they will flag you if you keep doing the same payment, they're like, are you sure you want to make another $5 payment? So what I do, I change it to $5 and one cent. So I'm not in their fraud thing. So I have like 550-150-2503. Oh my God. Yeah. So, you know, I don't take sads for granted. I'm trying to get them just like everybody else. You know how like in gaming, there's this concept called min maxing. If your gamer, you don't want to block it out. You use every technical technicality possible to eke out these tiny little fractions of a percent of superiority. And this is Niels min maxing Bitcoin. Yeah, I mean, at like dollar cent parity, right? 5000 fats would be $50. So I think that's going to happen. I'm not even talking parody. I'm not even saying $5 parity, right? So that's when Bitcoin is at $1 million, all these 5000 fats are $50 in value, right? So that's a lot of nice meals for one person. You know, I think I'm accumulating all of those and people could laugh at what I do now, but I don't give a fuck. Parody is when a penny is worth a dollar. And Walton metal though, right? The medal of the pennies now worth a dollar. Because that copper is interesting. Interesting. Are we at that point? No, we're close. I think a penny's worth like, I think a penny's worth 2.5 cents an hour or something, especially if it's going to go all over. But it's illegal to melt it down. Yeah, the new ones, the new ones are shit, and the new ones are made out of a really shit combination of metal. If you look at them, if you hold them, the super light and whatever, but the older ones, those ones, melt them down, they're worth 200, 250%, what an actual scent is worth, I suppose, are supposed to be. I'm surprised the penny even is in circulation anymore and they haven't just like rounded everything to all because it's coming from the giant well they're trying to get rid of all the coins in general and old cash, but I'm just saying and surprising. It costs more than a penny to produce a penny. In a nutshell. This is crazy. And all right, shifting gears it is that time. We have Adam O with upstream data. We've also got blockchain who's an engineer and Bitcoin or an incredibly smart dude. We're going to be talking about mining, you have questions about mining. This is going to be like an EMA kind of thing. Really appreciate you guys doing this. By the way, they've been here this entire show. They've been participating in the conversation, but we're going to dedicate the next segment here. To this topic and these fine gentlemen. So good morning, you're welcome, Adam and bean. Great. Thanks for having us, man. It's always fun to start the morning off talking talking about Bitcoin and you know, it's one of those things where bouncing ideas off each other. I always find myself in awe of many of the aspects of Bitcoin. And it's frustrating to compare sometimes and to try to take to have the realization of being robbed by a broken money system. I can't imagine what it would be like to live in a place where I couldn't even have access to the dollar as, you know, my money was even more broken. But it's also a beautiful thing to have to have a way to opt out a way to peacefully protest a nonviolent means to kind of obsolete this madness. And. Check the system. So I think it all boils down to one of the main factors for me is how is how is this commodity produced? That's where I thought that I would discover how this scam was being kind of operated who was pulling the wall over everyone's eyes. I figured it was going to be the Bitcoin miners. It's the first place that I looked when I wanted to learn about Bitcoin was how it was produced. And you know what I discovered was an open and competitive energy market. And it kind of blew my mind. That was back in early 2018. And I never looked back. I was working in oil and gas and I immediately started running and found upstream data as a company. It was a customer and then became a consultant and brought them a lot of customers to the point where the founder Steve barber hired me and this is kind of a dream job for me in the sense that I love spending every day working with ambitious oil and gas producers, ambitious people who are looking to make an investment and leveraging either undervalued or stranded energy sources and participating in the Bitcoin network to ideally create value in the world, as well as mitigate waste. And so that's what I get to do every day. It's really fun. Plus I get to build really cool shit. Or at least I get to be a part of the building really cool shit. And you know, at the same time, I get to spend my spend my days educating boomers. I mean, a lot of it is boomers and ambitious individuals on what Bitcoin is. What is Bitcoin the commodity and what does it mean to participate in the production of it? Which I think just every day I orange told myself even more. So thanks for having me. Yeah, glad to be here. Adam's brilliant, he's a staple of the local mile high Bitcoin community. Good to be a part of it. He talked about Bitcoin and Bitcoin mining in general is kind of this nexus of energy and money in just a really fascinating way. So that's kind of how I. Really think it combines both concepts in pretty pretty neat meat fashion. Maybe Adam, maybe it's worth discussing the atoms county nonsense that happened where local jurisdiction was attempting to shut down the methane to megawatts. I think that'd be worth quick little yeah, no, I think that's great. If you can find that video of your testimony or even the written testimony, I'm not sure if you ever shared that or published it. That would be a great thing to share. I think in the nest, I also go ahead and say that, you know, the first Bitcoin meetup I ever went to here in Colorado, it's funny, I actually went to the wrong meetup. There was a meet up that there's two meetups happening at the same time on the same day in different places. And I went to the wrong one and the one that I went to Tyler block bane here was talking and showing his book cryptocurrency mining for dummies. And so that's where I met block bang was at my first meetup
Crypto Voices
"steve barber" Discussed on Crypto Voices
"I don't know what they've done since they raised a ton of money. So it clearly, it clearly worked from a capital formation perspective. But she definitely gets it. And her ex-husband, Danny, is I'm blanking on the name coin shares. So there's definitely, you know, they have been in and around the space for a very long time. This is maybe just personal curiosity, but here we go, world. Abigail Johnson gets a lot of credit, you know, being very early, especially in that fortune 100 institutional space to make a strong play in the Bitcoin. Was that really her? Did she have a personal. Push into that? Or that just happened to happen in fidelity and under her management? I don't know exactly where how she got hooked on it. She's definitely very enthusiastic about the project. And knows her stuff. You know, there was the incubator in the incubator got a ton of support. I think that there were times where it was just like, might not get the funding to keep this going, and then it was just like, yep, keep going. Like, what else? Months of preparing for like a high anxiety meeting and it's just like, who gets shut down tomorrow? And then it's just like, no, like, keep everything pushing. I don't know where she initially found out about it. I had heard it was, you know, like her daughter or something. Was interested in it and then she got hooked and was learning about it, but I could be completely wrong about that. I've actually heard that story, not specific to her, but I think Chris Giancarlo former CFTC director and now Bitcoin dad, right? His story was as a regulator. He heard about it, but then his kids swayed him to be in a little more benevolent. So I'm sure there's plenty of that going on. And you have the whole Tim Draper Adam Draper. Then going to. So kudos to the millennials bringing something to the table. No offense to any millennials. Take this seriously. Better than zoomers, right? So the HODL capital, that's kind of your current business life or what's keeping you busy right now. Yeah, I think hollow capital is being sort of crystallized. Private fund, three partners, you know, we never really went out to raise outside capital. We just sort of stuck to our knitting a couple of private market investments, you know, mostly Bitcoin stuff. The initial thesis was actually a special situations approach to finding either technical or economic vulnerabilities in chick coins that we could structure or trade around and use that as an accumulation strategy for Bitcoin. And we had a couple of decent. Approaches early on, but opaque market, OTC, like getting a proper price on a short for a shitcoin that's technically broken. We still see sheba and doge and these things just go wild. So quickly identified that as a non viable strategy. For my health and the health of the fund. It was really like very straightforward. Very simple and boring, but late 2018, early 2019, we started getting approached by a bunch of energy folks who had learned about the flare methane Bitcoin mining strategy, probably from probably from Steve barber. I think barber was the first one that I heard about it from. I don't know if he identified that opportunity first, but I think it was him. conversations, that was my first real dive, you know, Bitcoin mining in the U.S. in particular was really sort of like, you know, a no go zone for a lot of people.