20 Episode results for "Steve Bannon"
162 w/ Errol Morris "Steve Bannon, American Dharmam"
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But the interesting thing about this as Morris who you if you don't know him you might have seen one of his films act of killing Unknown known which is a film about Don Rumsfeld which was famous in Toronto? where he you know looks down the barrel of the camera to his subject And My name is of course. The fog of war Most of his recent one which is a incredible film about Robert McNamara. One of the architects of the Vietnam War in the funny thing about that film is that actually brought him to the film he just made. Because Steve Bannon who is the subject of American Dharma tells Aero Moore's in the film American Dharma that he was profoundly influenced influenced in his politics by watching the film about Robert McNamara and seeing these horrible technocrats that ruined the world and in Morris is a bit taken aback by this but so we sat down and we discuss. That film has news film. We've discussed. He's he's from Dr Death kind of overlooked one from I think nineteen ninety nine and about a guy named Fred later which I think. He Pronounces Leuchter or looked Dr a Boston with heavy Boston accent. WHO makes a death row devices? Shall we say how does this execution devices. And he also became quite a notable Holocaust. Denier so Morris has an incredible when we talk about him quite a bit and and it's a great meandering conversation. And Morris has a great prickly interviewer interviewee. He's a great interviewer on the other end he's a little a little difficult culpa but I mean that in the most positive way ahead of a fantastic time but the interesting thing about this film because it was shot in two thousand eighteen and is now what November two two thousand nine hundred and in the kind of time. If you think about this a little bit were you making a political contemporaneous political film. That's a lot of time. Because because Steve Bannon influences waxed and waned he's been sort of A friend of the White House. He's been inside the White House. He's been on the outs with the White House. He is now making podcast from these so-called Breitbart embassy in Washington DC Defending the president from impeachment charges So he's all over the place. He kinda random these campaigns in Europe which I made a little film about for the Vice HBO show. He's been all over the place. So why hasn't this. Well we're going to talk about that and in this podcast but just put it this way. We talk about no platforming because is despite the fact that Steve Bannon has had a platform in the White House and running the campaign of the current president. They're a bunch of people who believe at this film shouldn't have been released and he should be no platform because to hear Steve. Bannon is to be poisonous. Influenced by Steve Benham. It's crazy right so on on the Friday that I recorded this evening ban more his his his Opening opening of the film at the Film Forum in New York City I was going to go. I couldn't make it and he was doing a one on one A. Q.. And A. With his son Hamilton Morris. who does WHO's a colleague of mine does a great show on vice land where my no new show is by the way. Yeah the weirdly called impeachment show but Anyway Watch Hamilton show Hamilton's Pharmacopoeia so Hamilton to Morris's onstage with him and a friend of mine sent me an email and it's a image that says it's a piece of paper pink jet kind of print with a blue piece of tape stuck on the wall of a bathroom and the phone form and there's a quote on this piece of paper. The ethics thing thing to me is not a terribly interesting argument. Sorry Errol Morris Indie wire ten eleven two thousand eighteen so a quote from him here and then beneath that it says there are real world consequences to getting Steve Bannon another platform. Please reconsider supporting this film Film Forum provides ventures in exchange for return tickets. So have you seen the premiere of his film asking You. A little piece of paper stuck to the wall in the bathroom to walk out. This is in the stall. So that is what Earl Morris has been facing for even talking to Steve Bannon so that no platforming idea We discuss Along with other things. So let's get to it. This is my conversation Shen last week. With the great filmmaker Errol Morris Errol Morris. Thanks for joining me. Let's talk about the new film American in Dharma Steve Bannon. This took a while to get to theaters and it premiered less September Venice. And it's coming out now. Why why the delay because no one wanted to distribute the movie? But it wasn't because it wasn't a good movie I've seen the movie. It's a terrific. Maybe it was for political reasons. I think it's my best movie movie self-serving of me to say so but yes. I think it's my best movie. Why do you say say that? I mean you've made some pretty incredible movies. I'm in fog of war of course known unknowns and go back into line obviously why is this one better than all those because it pushes a lot of techniques that interest me one step further than I seen them pushed before no one talks about. The movie is a movie. They don't now not really. It's a political statement and they debate the politics of someone someone asked me to blur. The question's been asked in the last couple of days but someone asked me will wind people get so infuriated by this movie What exactly did you do actually? It's a line that comes from my son when he was about five or six years old. He said Dad don't you no. I'm an annoying fire. And indeed he is and his father is also evidently and annoy of fire and noyer fire and annoying oil fire. And why why he did people react this way too. The film I it premiers ears at the Venice Film Festival to a Standing Ovation long standing ovation long standing ovation through the entire final credit sequence. I go back to my hotel room and I read the first reviews which are among the nastiest reviews. I have ever read. is one. I imagine you're referencing in particular that I was I'm very partisan on this in the sense that I loved the film and hated all the reviews. The first one that I read was this one. Variety righty which seemed to have had a problem with Steve. Bannon with you it was. It was an extended debate with Steve. Steve Bannon political ideas and didn't engage with the film at all. I mean that seems to. It'd be kind of a common thing. And that seems to be the point of contention here is that people don't like Bannon. I mean this is I mean you blamed it at one point. You blamed the you know. The the difficulty eighteen distribution on David Ramnik explained that well. I wouldn't blame David remnant per se in the sense the claim claim is that REMM nick was out to get me and my movie but in the weeks preceding the Venice Premiere. He says the great term. He D Platform Steve Bannon from the New Yorker Festival her and in doing that and in writing this excuse for why he did it. It was if he gave gave permission to everybody. Oh this is how you do it. You D platform the guy e can't do any damage edge really if he can't be seen or heard well. This is really nut so Two plus years out D platforming bannon really hasn't happened but even if it did do you think that's. That's what's GonNa make us safe. And it's going to protect us from Roy Appearance Of American fascism. That GonNa do the trick. Thank you and your country safe. Well that's the idea right. I mean this isn't this isn't never come up with any of your other films. I mean obviously did. Ah like with like Fred Leuchter. WHO said Holocaust and iron? He's in the film. Denying the Holocaust and I don't recall anyone saying you know early. No you shouldn't put him on the screen because there were plenty of people. There were people who did that. Yes really yes is there. Is there a difference in a degree now. That David Remnant is doing it when people in the media during different. What's different now is? There's the Internet that makes everything different my electric chair Repairman and Holocaust denier. Fred Luter I read about on the front page of guess. What The New York Times blow the full page one but page from one of the New York Times article can capital punishment be humane way? I always describe it as taking the out out of the death penalty. I thought it was really going to hurt. And it turned out to be an enormously pleasant experience. So there's this article about Fred designing lethal injection systems electric chairs Gallos. I guess you would say the whole nine yards at the very end of the article. They mentioned the Holocaust denier and the he contributed to this infamous pamphlet written by a Canadian German Neo Nazi earns Zundel. Yes did six million really die and the combination of electric chair Repairman and Holocaust. Denier convince me movie. You'RE GONNA make in those days. I think today if that article appeared there'd be a hundred and fifty thousand documentary filmmakers all over it back. Then just me me me me me alone nutso enough to WanNa to make this movie. which I I really found interesting and it's a movie? I'm glad I made now. There were Jewish activists. I'm a Jew by the wave a to make things clear. I am not a Holocaust. Denier fire I have no reason to believe the Holocaust in nap and in fact I have every reason to believe it did happen. 'cause I'm glad you're clarifying lost lost family members so Jewish activists attacked me for really. It's not so different than this. What's different is that we live in a different world Partly because of the Internet and two years later it becomes a little clearer to me. Why all of this happened? And and there's a simple reason for it. The Twentieth Sixteen election was one of the great great nightmares nightmares and tragedies in American history. People talk about were they were when J. f. k. with assassinated people all we know where they were. When trump became president of the United States? It was horrible night. What was your action that evening horror horror? It's still Izhar for complete or getting. You're not a huge trump fan. Is that one of the reasons he wanted to talk to. So so. So we'll it's of course it's But America responded to it suggesting getting America is this biological entity but many people responded to it. Denial What's the stupid line? You know. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. they wanted to go away and he's still do they wanted it Bannon calls it the nullification campaign. They still do all they want to. Do is nullify. The Twenty Eighty Sixteen election will surely do not wrong fats up. Yeah Yeah but he won. I'm sorry he won the election and it behooves us not to pretend that he didn't nothing to begin. It behooves us to figure figure out how this happened and to prevent it from ever happening again but the argument to you made by clever people. People differ eminent. Who pulled the plug on? Is that to give these people. Oxygen to could platform them is to spread ideas. That are already in the White House. It's kind of baffling thing that we shouldn't be kind of investigate. Why these these? ID's are popular. I mean I. I read a review of of the film yesterday. Probably the worst reviews. I've read of any film in a long time. It doesn't make sense but there was an idea that Steve Bannon ideas are incoherent. They're not incoherent at all all. They're perfectly coherent in. I thought the great thing about the film was getting at that sense of people. Don't quite realize that Steve Bannon they talk about him as a sort of Neo Nazi and fascist that he is in some sense a left wing populist in some senses a right wing populist I mean there's parts of that film's sounds like Pretty Sanders. There's a chameleon like quality to ban them. Can I call it left wing. Populism not really had a conversation sation with known Chomsky of all people now lives in Tucson is no longer in Cambridge. He's no longer in Cambridge. ambridge comes to Cambridge occasionally. But he's getting up there in a inch and the weather is better in Tucson he's in Tucson than it is in Cambridge Massachusetts and he said that he had met Bannon in Tucson and that they could agree on many many of the problems in America but not really agree on what those solutions might be And it's heart it really is Bannon's ideology such insults kind of incoherent. It's a mixture of kind kind of weird Catholicism the desire to go back and refight the Crusades. Yeah that's something. I'm looking forward to. Yeah point of view His claim that he's not beating up on immigrants but I'm sorry. The net effect of these policies is to beat up on. Immigrants does a scene in American Dharma. Uh which I hustled over. The Baron is sitting there in my quonset hut derived from twelve o'clock high. And he's telling you about his daughter at West Point is daughter. West Point is part of the volleyball team and he notices says in a corner or boxes where the student uniforms student uniforms came from. And it's stamped made in Vietnam and he starts muttering to me muttering to himself the old and me about made in Vietnam and I walk the myself. What is really about saying here? Is he saying that. Our enemy has now become our global trading partner and that's obscene that there should be a big tariffs that there should be laws that prevent this kind of thing that we're losing American jobs because we're we're giving them to our enemies Blah Blah and Blah or. Is it even more deeply racist these saying you know these Heathens You might as well call them Chinese for all intents and purposes as far as they're concerned are creating garments that are being put against the most intimate areas of our womenfolk in America. Think you so you think. That's the subtext of think that's floating around in there. Do I do really well. Is it in that. Because he sets up in that scene which I think is is is pretty telling. Look it's it's there's nothing revelatory about somebody saying that I've heard a million people say we lost fifty six thousand people in Vietnam and then I you know jumper that says made in Vietnam but he frames his as a war of freedom and liberation. He's he's talking to the Viet Cong against globalism. And it's amazing thing for a man who was inspired by you as he says in the film to make his movie about out Ronald Reagan in that movie is about victory in the Cold War. These two things are the only incoherence that I saw immediately in that film or or in Bengal entity all as he talks about the Soviet Union's great enemy and he tries but the Viet Cong these freedom fighters that are being bombed by these technocrats like rubber McNamara. It's an it's an amazing thing to and that's what makes him solid. Chomsky may say the freedom fighters of the Vietnam and communist global elite. Who wants to you know? Bomb them into submission mission but I keep thinking I kept thinking while I was making the film. And I'm still thinking along similar lines. You call yourself a populist. Okay that's on Man of the people the forgotten middle class income wage inequality so it should plan to do about it. Well well your plan Sir seems to me will build walls on the border bill. That wall will keep those Mexicans out of our country and free up all those jobs that they were taking for. American workers will end globalism of every stripe and variety United Nations. Who needs it NATO? Bye By Let's vulcanized the world all over again. Because we know in the twentieth century all these little nation states produced a lovely time for all particularly for the Jews in Eastern Europe. What the hell is he talking about? You made Hugh told sign an interview about your cameraman. Whose Croatian in the conversation he had with bannon about Yugoslavia? which is exactly what you're talking about here talk about the Balkans being balkanized gave us the word? So he told her cameraman. That that's the end of Yugoslavia was a positive thing right. And you're caraman. Who is Croatian responded? In what way this is I know positive benefit. It led to chaos to genocides among unspeakable horror. It's nutty politics and in the end it's hard to believe this is an ideology and not some kind of patent medicines. Some kind of snake oil. That's being peddled to do a susceptible group in America. Is that your read from you. Spend what five days with Ben a lot longer than okay and what did you did. You think it's just in the end like this is snake oil this is. There's nothing to this. I call it the PIE graph question. Yeah how do you WanNa draw up the PIE. What proportion what piece of the Pie snake? Neko oil salesman. What part of the PIE is true? Ideologue through belief. I don't know you didn't get any sense of if you believe stuff. I get a sense that he does believe something. Yeah Yeah I believe angry. This is the politics of the anger. But what does it guy fury in. Look I I understand how and I disagree with people. Say That because you went to Harvard Business School and you worked for Goldman Goldman Sachs and did quite well in Hollywood that you cannot be a somebody. WHO's an angry ultimately working class kid from Pittsburgh? I think he's from Pittsburgh Virginia. Yeah but you know what is the Eh the society that produced him one would presume is one that he would celebrate that he could rise up through the ranks. And do this well being of working class kid. I'm not that's the thing that I don't quite understand his anger. Like what sort of precipitated the anger did he give you any sensitive really partially the sense that he was a failed eld banker that things did not work out as well as he might have hoped. Hollywood not exactly sure what the end produces this kind of anger a point in the American Dharma or I describe I. Trump is the fuck you president the president who I mean if Jesus died for our sins then trump says fuck you for everybody. You provides the opportunity I wanNA say fuck you to your family. Fine you WANNA say fuck you to your neighbors go for it. You WanNa say fuck you due to the state to the world to the cosmus go fuck yourself everything. He's your guy he really is. It's an immensely destructive. There's a difference of course between trump in baton because trump seems to me e acrylic an opportunist self dealer a criminal bannon and in seems to have this underlying rage this desire to destroy everything when I burn everything at the yeah. It's following his own prescription for what's going to happen to the world. He told he told a friend of mine. Ready to of former socialist of the sixties turned sort of neo con that he was a Leninist and he believed that he identifies Leninist. Not An ideological way. But in a way that it's nineteen seventeen and we have to shoot the family of his are in the basement to the Finland station the train heading towards Russia. I mean you and you speak about trump from some position of knowledge because you interacted with trump and you shot something trump. That never really. Well I read the papers occasionally I read that too but you sat in front of him and you you you. You interviewed him I did what was that project. Never materialized that it it didn't materialize. It's on the Internet. It's full film though. I was hired by the producer. The Oscars Laura Ziskin into a film on that would run at the very very beginning of the Oscars and the brief was that I should talk to people about their favorite movies it was a five minute film mostly soundbites of one kind or another occasionally. I use the opportunity to create something that could be used in a longer piece. I had in New York at that time in the green room at one time. If you can believe this I had Jessye Norman I had Mikhail Gorbachev Iggy pop and Donald Trump. This is the beginning of incredibly credibly. Bad joke angry from to all in the same green I leave. We also added at some point Walter Cronkite. So they're all there. That's that's amazing. I mean what is this and a trunk that Gorbachev who after all was previous head of state playing that Gorbachev was taken before he was I interviewed Gorbachev at some length out. His favourite films loves Kofsky. Sitting there talking with Mikhail Gorbachev about the mirror I mean it's pretty amazing and then trump comes in and trump wants to talk about citizen Kane. Sound Bite I used for the Oscars. Donald Trump talking about king Kong and the soundbite was he came in Concord. New York I could identify with that On the news it's the most donald trump thing in the world the big ape and but we talked independently it wasn't used in the final piece for the Oscars we talked about citizen Kane and it was pretty the amazing. You can find it on Youtube when I watched that. He was seemed more coherent than than he does. Now he probably was more. It is now. He seems like not a total dummy. which is what when you see him doing this? Alba Daddy press conference. You're like is this a joke. Is this some sort of bit that he's doing whereas that he seemed you know kind of straightforward optically bright. But he didn't seem like he was incapacitated. Like he seems TMZ now but you know that never became film we thinking about making that into a larger firm at one time. I thought of doing something with all those outtakes explained that the long long time ago. So how did how did that exact same thing. Can you talk to Bannon about films that he loves in a way I asked him. Yeah do you have any advice for Charles Foster Kane the protagonist citizen citizen Kane. Any advice for this gentleman and his advice was marriage is clearly part is advice was get yourself a different woman. Yeah that seems about what I would expect him to say why. Not The twelve o'clock high. Though in American Dharma you talked to Bannon under his movies. The movies that he loves was that something I mean. Obviously it was something before you know you thought of before shooting because you shoot this in a place as that. Looks like a hanger for B fifty. Two's in World War right out of twelve o'clock high high right. No one of course who sees. Maybe this is my big mistake. No one sees twelve o'clock high but it's the essence of Bannon. He goes to Harvard Business School. They show them the whole damn class. It's twelve o'clock try. What's it about winning at all costs? You don't think about right and wrong. You don't don't think about anything. Except what winning winning and more winning and so here you have a movie about our triumph over fascist Germany paganism model for the twenty sixteen election. which I suppose who is? You could construe as an attempt to impose fascism in America. Talk high the the protagonist. Those are the ones that are bombing. The hell out of Fascist yes so. He's flipped it and why in a way well well because he well he in a way. I don't believe I don't believe that he's a fascist. Do you. This is a slippery slope. Hope here I suppose you could say what kind of fascist and is he an old fashioned nineteen forties this kind of fascist now probably not Beating up on immigrants And he globalism All of these things have fascist elements. Tell them probably I would hesitate before calling him an out and out fascist. How do you categorize this this kind of mess? You said that you didn't think he was necessarily a populist either. So what would you call Steve. Bannon I'm probably not necessarily call them anything. But I think there's there's a lot of headlines that say you know Errol Morris's giving the kid gloves treatment to fascist which I think is incredibly unfair. Because I don't I don't think it's necessary to engage with someone like Steve Bannon. I knew a lot more going out than I did when I started the film. But Yeah I the the essence of his ideology. I don't I don't know how to categorize and I don't think it's fascism in populism. I think is too soft baby opportunism. You think is that I think there certainly certainly as an element there. Of course I do. He was one of the first people to recognize that the Internet it changed everything. And it's an important thing to realize I've always been fascinated by this. Famous dissent sent by Oliver Wendell Holmes Junior issue of free speech case before the US Supreme Court Abrahams and I and homes wrote about the marketplace of ideas. Them how you send something out into the world into the so-called marketplace of ideas It's pushed around. Jostled challenged impeach whatever and somehow the truth from this process emerges that might have been true eight years ago. My not have been true. Might have been true but in a world of the Internet one wonders. If you have have a hundred million people saying untruth and one person saying truth what chance does it have billy. So what do you. What do you do about that? Does it change the way it's simple. You kill yourself you kill yourself. I was GONNA suggest that I don't know if that was a little harsh to say. Hey off yourself this solution right but I mean the the argument in a way is made about this film is that you shouldn't be putting these ideas is up there. I mean I find this appalling that the people who in some way I respect whether it is David remnant or other people that I see writing about this so you should not be platforming ideas because this is what happens in the Internet. You have Holocaust. I'll videos on youtube should be taken down and I think there's a thanks liberty slope of what what we do about these ideas and the Internet. I mean I think that exposing people to Fred and his report is you know we have to have have some trust in people. Don't we that they can actually filter the good ideas from the bad and you know. I think that's what bannon relies on people not being able to do that. Breitbart is what's interesting about the loser Phil Mr Death which I should have entitled Honeymoon and outfits. Because that's where Fred Ed. And his honeymoon unusual honeymoon destination people became very I angry at early. iterations of the film was still editing. Because they thought I did not make it clear Fred was wrong about everything or nearly everything part of my style and it gets me into into trouble repeatedly I'm a great believer in irony. A great believer in allowing people to show you out crazy easy they really are and clearly. It has limits should have learned that By now and if I resisted it's only because I'm some kind of perverse motherfucker in the loser film I conventionally head to head material making it absolutely clear that all of his work on Holocaust Austin I'll he was deeply deeply full of shit me. It's obvious just listening to him but it. It wasn't obvious enough so you added that. I mean there's an expert that comes in and says this guy doesn't know what he's talking about these samples taken from Auschwitz. Don't don't don't tell you anything that's correct. You added that after the fact you shut that later part of it was added after the fact yes and that was because nobody seen the film who's complained who complained about it. I show you the film and a number of different classes I I mean is this kind of why you include in American Dharma. Steve Bannon saying that he loved the fog of war and it inspired him to get into films the way that people internalize your films. You seem a little horrified in America that he says that quiz horrified. Why wouldn't I be? Well it's because you have no control over how people in internalizes that the I mean would you change a thing about that film. Says the ban wouldn't have a positive reaction to it now. Oh Yeah but one thing I learned in making American Dharma Stephen and I sit down and we watch movies together movies that he himself suggested that we watch together and talk about. Do you watch them together. Yes okay you see us watching yes I never uses if you had actually sat down and watched the whole thing not the whole thing. He picked scenes scenes that he wanted to talk about from twelve o'clock High A.. From Orson Welles chimes at midnight from David Liens bridge on the river. Kwai qualify to Stanley Kubrick Spasm glory depict him and we talked about them. There has to be one of the more surreal experiences of my life. Because Steve Bannon solve these movies completely differently from me. I mean the total opposite. I mean you arguing about certain scenes in the film. Yeah aw yeah we argue about sir. John Falstaff in chimes of midnight is is. He horrified depressed by Henry. The fifth rejection for me. Yeah Yeah yes Steve Bannon no fulfillment of Dharma fulfillment of destiny. It's the three DS duty destiny. Dharma Ma get with. It says the same thing about fog voice. There's no I don't see your film that way at all. I see it this way and it seems to have I mean. Had you heard anyone and read that film the way the Steve Bannon no not really occurred to me that this destiny duty Dharma deal. I found another team for the three DS. The three you could justify anything anything that way after all does the fulfilment of Dharma. You Act in such a way as you're going to win I'm here tells a story. He tells these amazing stories in the movie in some of the most amazing stories. I've ever put on film He tells hugh that the Access Hollywood tape comes out. People think this guy is done for. You don't talk like that. The president of the the United States doesn't start calling about grabbing him by the Pussy. It's somewhat uncouth. Correct me if I'm wrong. I've I thought it was done that day. To people thought he was done for and Bannon taking the general savage roll. Oh the Gregory Peck role from twelve o'clock. High lectures his troops. The campaign plane is leaving at ten o'clock. You're either on it or you're off the campaign Chris Christie and it is really really interesting. How the twenty sixteen election is a realization of many pan-ion's craziest ideas? That come where they come from becoming come out of but he was right though. It wasn't the about that tape and I talked to him. I went out and shot things that people who said Yeah. We all talk like that where I work. Can you guys in your bubble. Don't understand how we talk. And did Steve Bannon understand those people better than we did. I mean perhaps he understood something. Aw He understood. Things can really be flipped on their heads so easily. I'll ever I forget this moment. Actually it was in the second debate with Hillary Clinton where Hillary Clinton calls him a puppet and he says I'm not a puppet euro-puppet you're a puppet puppet puppet topic puppet which is the Roy Cohn playbook someone accuses you of something thank you. Don't miss a beat. You go back and accused them of exactly the same thing and maybe no one will notice. It's being done again and again and again and again it's being done in these impeachment proceedings as we speak It's a good timing for film by the because it's the reemergence of Bannon now. I've seen a lot of articles about this. He's doing a radio show about impeachment and he's doing his traveling the thing with the media saying pay attention to me again. I am telling you the truth about impeachment. It's essentially a coup d'etat and we're talking about it every day from the quote Unquote Breitbart Embassy. and He'd been Kinda quiet for about a year but in Europe Muslim been making noise in Europe rather than in the United States. He's back here for all those people who thought that deep platforming this guy was going to make things better in America. Think again does that. Does that ever work because that is a trend right now and it affects. I think people would do what I do. Is that you know. I know again a lot of people who think this is an effective tactic of D. platforming America was freaked out after the election. I was freaked out after the election and people wanted to believe it didn't happen. It's a natural human tendency if you pretend it's not there maybe maybe it isn't call it the ostrich mentality. I'll stick my head in the whole ground and it will vanish low it doesn't vanish it. Still Air I would say. America is in danger. We're in terrible danger injure if I had one call is wake up America or endanger and ignoring. What's going on around us or pretending that it isn't happening is not going to do anybody? Any good from the disaster of Vietnam which you didn't credible film disaster Iraq. Another incredible film to this. You know disastrous moment to I mean is this I I mean it seems that sort of of a piece in America you have these kind of seems like I like disaster. Do your disaster. I mean do you think that this is is is gonNa keep going I mean. Do you seem rather pessimistic about about this. Both in the film which was shot. Probably what a year and a half ago yes And today Eh. But we're up against the the the potential end of this either through impeachment and I don't think it's very likely or two thousand twenty. Do you think that this continues. I feel burn by this film Call me stupid uh-huh. I thought that I was weighing in on politics on the twenty eighteen twenty twenty elections. Possibly I could do some good. I thought it was a mistake. Just to sit on my ass and do nothing examining this phenomenon was away of. I'm trying to understand it and to deal with it. I don't think I know that I had a very limited committed. Understanding of how fucked up his country is at how crazy. This country has become both on the left and the riot from his Driven everyone in Sam believe in a kind of insanity That doesn't seem to be coming to any swift. You say you thought I don't understand why you frame it that way. I thought that I was doing good. I thought that I was. This is an exposition. You've done. I think he's succeeded. I why do you think you didn't succeed at the European to deb. Nice already I mean I don't I I think it is strange. You shouldn't listen to the seven shrieking hyenas. He's got air battle. Moore's is doing something terrible by giving Steve Bannon a platform and also there is something about shrieking hyenas they do. Get your attendant do but I think he let it affect you too much Josh. You say it's your best film so it can't be. I think that you probably know that you succeeded in somewhere right. I would hope that the movie would get out tomorrow. People more people would think about it talk about it. Why do you make these films? Presumably if there is a reason that people will watch them. Think about them talk about him. Engage in some kind of discussion around them that. I think that that's happened quite a bit. I mean you so maybe I've succeeded. You trying to make me feel better myself. How dare you don't yourself sad? You just don't do that. I think the funniest thing that I've ever very. I think this is a piece of this. Conversation too is refer to Donald. Rumsfeld is the least Jewish person you've ever met in your life. Yeah she's like this is. You're having a very Jewish reaction to your movie right now. Donald Rumsfeld is you know. Oh he's that down the line tells you exactly what it is. He has no sense of irony. has though sort of sense of self loathing or questioning himself you you have too much of it you. You're doing too much of the. The fog of war change the narrative about how we view Vietnam without a doubt really. Yes I mean the macnamara book people are not going the McNamara book and reading and saying Oh yeah sure. They're watching that film and getting a different sense of the best and the brightest who guided US deeper and deeper into the Miranda Vietnam. That's your film. The book right trying to be nice to you. Well thank you think. This film is a failure. In that way. The American way you think each of these movies is an investigation of some hind and Like who are these people. Who are these people who have had such a dramatic effect on the destiny of? You've all of US certainly destiny of America Iraq Vietnam trump. Who are they and I just read in some review? That was really nice to me that I had failed. I have to fail in everything. I had failed in Rumsfeld because I had not been able able to penetrate is veneer I really like. Hey Al give this away. I really like Rumsfeld film because I've never had a character like that in front of my camera. Not a person who wouldn't crack but I became more and more convinced as the interviews went on on over hours and days but there was nothing there to crack but it was all the near Al- Assad all acting of one kind or another. It was an amazing empty performance. And the emptiness is what I'm left. Left with from the unknown known It may not be entirely satisfying to an audience. Fuck him it satisfying to me. Because I feel I learn something. Learn something about who these people Are who control the destiny of so many many many many people. That is a very real possibility that that is just. It's not veneer. This is Donald Rumsfeld. And he's just out there in the surface exactly what he gives you is exactly what he is. And he's hiding nothing because there's nothing to hide he doesn't have any shame. And the way he prosecuted that war or you know his service the Nixon administration or anything. I the one thing I find strange reading reviews news of your films. And you've mentioned it too is that I don't under a lot of people don't understand or I think they don't but I'm GonNa ask you what you think. The purpose of an interview is because because it seems to be combat from people. You didn't get enough punches in. You didn't hit him where I wanted you to hit him. I WANNA see him against the ropes and you banging on his his stomach until he passed out. I don't see interviews that way. What you go in to talk to somebody who a lot of Americans loathe whether it's McNamara Rumsfeld old or Bannon are you're not thinking about this as scoring a knockout punch on you? I don't like adversary will introduce because Euler nothing. It's a way of creating species drama. I just wrote a piece for airmail on the nature of energy use as a great and Carter is new thing. Yeah Yeah it's in there and and part of what I talk about is a good interview for me and interviews. Let's be honest here. There's zillions millions of different kinds of interviews. There isn't just one way to do an interview. One Way to talk to another person You know it can range from fuck you too. I love you to me. You're creating a situation where people wanNA talk to you. And they want to reveal something you and in my experience the so-called difficult question a hard ardian question the question that throws the adversary on the ropes and forces them to Kirs or to an apology. Asia the really work. The most surprising things I've heard by career as a filmmaker maker and in the many many interviews that I've done with people house and come in response to it any question that Jason Slow reveal of them a situation where people wanna say things to me. I was prepared to listen. Why do you think they want to do that? I mean they're on camera camera. I mean there's something that's the question always with when people look at your interview subjects that why are these people talking. Morris I mean this is not going to end well L. for them. I mean that's what most people would. I've been Donald Rumsfeld. I'm sure looks at that film. It doesn't say you know. This is the great you know. You know monument humint my greatness and this is exactly what I believe is made y'all gene it's compacted in that film. I mean I watched and don't look. It doesn't look like he comes out of that quite very well. Rumsfeld at first light the film McNamara Never said anything to be about fog of war but but after he died his son. Craig told me that. His father really liked the fog of war. But don't tell Aryl. So why. Why do people talk to you? I don't know why you are you talking to me because I mentioned foam is easy for me to have some kind of like like you know a surgeon. General's warning my chest saying talking to me could be injurious to your health. Think twice I mean you watch the films and say this is the greatest idea this is mostly. I mean I've seen this question has two times. I'm sure you've been asked a million times of that you know how do you is. The hardest thing as is a journalist is not sitting down to interview somebody. It's getting them to sit down in the first place it'd be the hardest part. Is there anyone that in these great great figures of the twentieth century who changed America and the way that some of these figures did that refused to that with you the people which one do you regret the most that they didn't see to your desire to be interviewed. I wanted very much to interview James Komi years and years and years ago and it fell through because he got appointed by Barack Obama as the director of the the FBI and he could no longer do the interview. Little onset people that I've wanted to interview why Comey then I mean people tend to think Komi in the context of Muller and those thing but prior that was there was there bigger story that you're interested in the story of stellar wind and the fourth amendment and the stand against Gonzales and adding new well forgotten I mean almost completely forgotten bit of Bush history. Yes yes but but that never came to that never came to pass. Why not and that was just because he became the he otherwise he was gonna sit down and do I believe he was? Yeah I still would like to do it. I think he's talking a lot more now. I'll finish up with this. I mean I appreciate you doing this and it is what are you. What are you hoping for this film now that it actually has a wider release? This'll be mostly an art. Has the places teijin films in the past but but it is streaming so people. Yeah and look at it in the privacy. If you don't want to be seen in public washing his Steve Bannon filled. You can wash it in the privacy of your own band arrives it. It arrives in an unmarked envelope. A Brown paper Satchel no markings on it whatsoever. If someone asks you what's that you can just lie why but you can watch it nonetheless and I would appreciate it if he would do so and buy it online maisy coming out at the same time streaming at the same time. Oh I think there's a delay here is usually here when I don't know why. Yeah well at least a certain theatres and did ban the film yes correct answer should be one of the ask him but yes. He liked the film while as the last time I emailed him he told me to go. Fuck myself so I will land. That's not a big fan headline so if I ask them. Hey what do you think. Moore's until probably say I thought I told you to go fuck yourself and said that it's my best film so we agree on that and he offered to help me promote the film. We did not agree that I felt that I should in this instance go it alone. Did it make you uncomfortable at all that he wanted to promote. This film is a simple answer to that Steve Bannon and things that you think you have to sort of reassess things if stephen loves you as much L.. Thank you so much for for allowing me to not really interrogate you talked about. The film is an interrogation. With wasn't no. This is a softball this is softball. Want want you ask me think of me. As a subject whose withholding vital information and you have to get it out on me depends on what the information to try to get it out of me any. Your mission is to save America but you have information that could help me do that. Absolutely Louis One would presume that I knew that information was just generally what would that be just wing it. You know I'm GonNa let America die because as you said before the only answer to all the stuff suicide so I'm just GonNa let it all collapse and we can. We can end on that and thank you for and the onset of a dour out. I think it's an optimistic note. The fact that do come to an end is optimistic throughout your Mystic really optimistic about skin things coming to an end the country life. It's not entirely. I don't believe that I have a child who I rather like you. And who is going to be on stage with you tonight. He is interviewing you. Yes and can you tell us anything about the project you're doing with your son Hambleton. We're doing a leary project together. That's appropriate Much to my surprise he's interested in drugs. I is yeah I mean I've heard something about this. You know he talks about a little bit He's incredibly bright. But he's like a chemist though there's a lot of things I mean most people who are interested in drugs or you know that I know ended up sleeping in bus stations. You know Hamilton knows a lot about this rather clever way so anyway well good luck with the film and very much. You'll see tonight. Good thank you okay. Yes perfect on so we'll be at the theater.
Steve Bannon Arrested, Lyft/ Uber California Shutdown? & No Press for USPS Employees Friday, August 21st
"Welcome to the Robb for show where I bring you the latest politics news and analysis whether Dash. Progressive. Perspective. Thank you very much for tuning in. Let's get informed. Okay, it's Friday. August twenty. First. The first thing we have to talk about today is Steve Bannon Steve Bannon is trump's former chief strategist and he was indicted yesterday and taken into custody over his quote unquote will build the wall crowdfunding scheme. This ran on Gofundme and received over twenty five million dollars from people wanting to contribute to the border wall. Along with three others, bannon allegedly defrauded investors out of hundreds of thousands of dollars for personal gain through the scheme. axios says a federal judge agreed to release ban on a five million dollar bond his travel would-be restricted to the New York and Washington DC areas, and he will not be allowed to use private jets or boats without permission according to the we build the walls website. They said the fundraising well, focus on building portions of us, southern border wall and managed the support operations required for and the processes associated with the design engineering construction and maintenance of the wall. The indictment abandoned and his associates shows that they did indeed spend money on a border wall but skimmed hundreds of thousands off the top for things like a new vehicle cosmetic surgery, personal tax payments, and credit card debt. Also reported by axios is that Bannon's indictment makes him these sixth person linked to the senior leadership of trump's two thousand sixteen campaign will be hit with federal. Charges. Next we have talk about the situation with Uber and lifts in California. So after being given an order to reclassify drivers as employees rather than contractors, both companies threatened to suspend all operations in California. CNBC says that California officials say both businesses are attempting to skirt things like payroll taxes by ignoring the state labor law however, a California appeals court has extended the length of time. Uber? And lift have to comply with reclassifying their drivers as employees after threats from the companies to shutdown. Continuing CNBC notes that the temporary reprieve gives the two companies until five PM Pacific Time on August twenty fifth it's a foul written statements agreeing to. The procedures stated in the order. So for now, this is a developing story. Interestingly. Though this election day, there is a ballot measuring California being backed by both Uber and lift, which is proposition twenty two that would exempt ridesharing and food delivery businesses from the State Labor long requiring drivers to be classified as employs while providing the drivers themselves with additional benefits. then. We have this ongoing horrible situation with USPS. Earlier. This week we talked about how Postmaster General Louis Joy removed key mail infrastructure such as mail sorting machines and battleground states. He also cut worker hours among other things. Then, there was a press release stating changes would stop until after the upcoming presidential election. But importantly there, this was just a PR move because the joy is doing nothing to reverse the changes he's already made that gets us yesterday where vice has been reporting on internal memos, Cincy USPS employees regarding speaking with the press. And sidled guidelines for handling local media inquiries, it begins by saying quote. The Postal Service continuously strives to project a positive image, protect its brand and present a unified message to the customers and communities it serves It is imperative that one person speaks on behalf of the postal service to deliver an appropriate accurate and consistent message to the media. Avoid the temptation to quote unquote answer a few questions. Keep in mind that while most media representatives will identify themselves. Sometimes they do not. If you were dealing with the customer especially one who asks a series of questions it is perfectly appropriate to ask are you a member of the media? Now, this would be much funnier if it weren't so heartbreaking that an institution as American as the male wasn't under attack by a horrendous postmaster general. We know what we have to do to fix this, and it starts at the ballot box this November. If you need help with registration a mail in ballot or any voting information, go to vote dot org that's vote dot org. That's all for today. Thank you for tuning in. If this show brings you value, please consider supporting me on patron for as little as two dollars at Patriotair dot com slash rav four. That's patriot dot com slash ro F. O. R.. E.. Also please make sure subscribed wherever you're listening to this CD. Don't miss an episode. Have a great rest of your day I'll see you next time.
Episode 108: 7 Degrees of Steve Bannon [Patreon Preview] feat Erin Gloria Ryan
"What's up guys? It's Jack before episode starts. I have a quick announcement. Very exciting one. I've been teasing it for a while. But the but still patriot discord is officially live. You should be able to join very easily through your patriot account. And it'll assign you roll based on your tier there's there's a feat tear roll a alpha role and God alpha role and probably some more to keep evolving. It as it goes. But yeah, very stoked. Our community page is getting very active, and I figured there needs to be an official discord so logon. Please join the discord. And if you have no idea, what discord is or need some help. I'm gonna put a link in this description that God teaches you how to connect your discord to the patriot on. All right. So here's the episode, and hopefully you on there. Welcome to podcast was do the air lawyer. I am. Oh, yeah. We have Aaron Gloria Ryan returning to the podcast act on that on the pod. That was the first the first one that you did Felix in air. And I was like, oh, I feel that was like the first podcast was like this where doing yeah, we're ready to sign that was that was that was a hot one. Yeah. But I mean, we were we were talking before pressing record. And it was just getting to a point where it's like, you know, I think should be on air because Brandon was telling you this. The topic of Steve Bannon came up Steve Bannon came up, and and circle back to a a story that we've we've talked about on this podcast. But I'm Brian you're telling version of it. Well, it's starting to get into the semantics of it. Well, I was tricked into thinking. This girl is Steve Bannon daughter her friend who was like, okay, my friend. She was like, my friend wants to have a three. Awesome. And she like, she shows me these pictures, and then she is a issues, I should tell you. She's Steve Bannon's daughter. And I I'm I'm full resistance mode. I'm like, okay. Let's fucking go. Wait. How is how is? I'm gonna let you before jumping feeling somebody's sexual wishes form of resistance because because Seve. Seve Bannon probably wouldn't want people wouldn't want me in there. Okay. So this is so that's that's sort of my mental that was sort of my mentality at the time. And then these these like I can't I don't want to reveal too much because I don't want to give out her last. I mean, whatever it's Bannon. Yeah. But like, I mean last was banned in and then like, I searched her name, and it was like, okay, see ban and has a daughter with his name. The seems real Aaron is telling you a glossy he's been telling himself this lie for a long time. There's he's racing me from the story because this he brought this information me, and he sends me this girl. And I like I was like well Steve Bannon really bad divorce and his daughters. Don't talk to him. And I don't think they go. I don't think that use last name go by different last. Yeah. And I was like and also this girl looks literally nothing like either daughters, and he's like, I don't know. This. Like, I think I should still do it just in case. Like, wouldn't it be you know, like? Why should I should if I could bang Steve Bannon's daughter, I should right now is like I mean, I guess like, yeah. So I pretty much I laid out to you everything you need to know. Like, this is literally not Steve Bannon daughter, and you're like, it could be I think I should do it. I guess there's only one way to find out. It's a weird story. I mean. Yeah. Story presented to me originally is like I'm going to be doing this for the good of our country. Daughter. Here's the thing though, if okay imagine the opposite of Steve Bannon in your head like imagine, if it were somebody that you really looked up like Joe Biden or Barack Obama or whatever and love today. I'd love to Obama. But here's the thing that the just men always wanted men would always find justification for sleeping with a for having sex. They would be like, you know, what I got to have sex with the daughter of former President Obama for the good of the country. And also, I gotta have sex with the daughter of Steve Bannon for the good of the country just going to twist it to you getting your penis touched. No matter. Warm of service folks, will can I what can I say, I'm having sex not for me for you for the whole country. So that's I mean, I'm I'm addicted to to babes, but I'm addicted to patriotism resisting. Yeah. Also. Yeah. Fuck Steve Bannon, if foreign resistance what like why would that be form of resistance? I'm not really sure. I'm not following exactly. Could keep him occupied. He was going to do something really bad. And you had you see about to do about this situation. He's still in the White House, and he has his finger on the nuclear codes. He's about to tell Donald Trump to quit NATO. He's about to be the one to and you're like, what can I do? And you're like, well better how distractive. Yeah. Bugs Bunny style routine where you out and. Deuce him. I yeah. That's I'm not gonna rape Steve. Bannon. Like, I don't like, I don't know. Sorry. But that's big of you know. Even if even if it means protecting the country, I'm not going to rape, Steve Bannon. Okay. I'll I'll say that. I'll say that Tom what your real feminist? Yeah. Real feminine will not rapes you've been. Listen where you're the only Ahrends the only one here with see Bannon's phone number. I don't have his phone number. You have his Email Email? You have his Email. We know all about this. But what we take it where one. Yeah, you're probably the only person who in errands Aaron's, very liberal. But she's the only guest of. Yeah. But still it's been guests on C, Bannon's that's true. I have been a guest on Stephen is twice both times. So now, it's equal numbers of times on. Yeah. But still and Stevens radio show. Oh, wow. Yeah. So I better go back and hit up Breitbart. So yeah, I was covering CPAC for the place that used to work in link. Twenty fifteen I was at Jacksonville. And we were there kind of hanging around in the Breitbart radio booth and like Jackie Ben to CPAC though. It's a real carnival of loneliness freaks. Yeah, freaks it. Any convention is sort of a Colonel confession. Jack was there is a fan a fan. Not working. I was by myself it Ted Cruz costs play showed up your crews head to hang out. But we're in the Breitbart, my my old colleague, and I were in the Breitbart radio booth and somebody saw where we were from. And they were like, oh, my gosh, we have to tell Steve. And this is before everybody knew who Steve Bannon was issues just like in charge of Breitbart, and Steve came over and said hi to us and was like, oh, that's so cool. It's so ballsy you guys are here because like jazz bells like liberal feminists website and Breitbart is not and he was like, yeah. She come to this party. We're having a big party tonight. At this mansion the Breitbart mansion he called him. Yeah. Then we asked around. Yeah. Breitbart man instead of instead of playboy bunnies. They just have like like that girl on Twitter that like, where's he? Rifle who's never cut her hair her like one. One lock all the way to the back of her knees. It's like home schooling there. But yes, like we asked around and they're like, yeah. It's it's a fun party. Yes. It's legit. And so we we went to the party Bannon came out and like greeted us personally in brought us in. They had like doormen they add like a cigar room. Of course, all kinds of conservative stogies. Yeah. It's almost it. Well, I don't want to it's very Freudian. And to me like there. Anyway. So so, yeah, we're the party was fine. Bannon had asked me to go on his radio show the next day, and I got super drunk at the party and ended up going home. I think I threw up in my hotel room, and then the next morning had to wake up, and I was still like very drunk, and I went on vanish. Oh, it was. Yes. It's still talk about find politics. I'm assuming I have no memory. I just remember Carly Fiorina to remember her. She was like on right before me. And I remember watching and I was standing and waiting for her to stand up, and I remember sitting down on the chair, and it was still warm from her. But and I remember thinking, wow, this Carly fearing his but warmth. We yes, she was on Steve Bannon show too. I hate when I go to a party, and I drunk unle- agree to do Steve. Bannon's radio show. Yeah. That's quite a hangover morning. Yeah. I really shouldn't agreed to these. Yeah. I would I would imagine that there's probably one night stands that person could wake up from an feel lesser gret. Dude. I shouldn't have I shouldn't have fucked doing roof last. Goof. Yeah.
Steve Bannon 11-17-19
"Good Morning America. This is the cat's table. John Katzman ts here with this morning is the person was a president chairman of President Trump's campaign an advisor to President Trump wins this morning. Steve Bannon Steve Morning John. Thanks for having me on the show. How long complicated? Week many ways. Where do you WanNa Begin? Why I think everything's really engulfed? The city is is the impeachment. You you know we still. We stood up or room there at the Breitbart Embassy. We have polling. We have rapid response. We have You know people that are surrogates this were booking people on TV and we started a online radio show in August has now been picked up by many stations throughout the country. So it's live every day. Hey from nine in the morning till ten and we're over there to try to focus the grass roots on the issue president trump being a peach. And how how's it going. How's his listenership? Well it's on fire on podcast. We've picked up. You know tens of thousands of listeners. Already already I think it's over one hundred fifty thousand seventy five thousand. We've got tons of downloads. there'd be more tonight and we've been picked up by networks throughout the country so the listener ships find the traffic graphics on the site. The question is are we getting people motivated in this town right now. I don't feel the energy or the urgency sometimes sometimes in the Republican side and the president trump's core supporters are very engaged in this. But I somehow through. The Republican establishment is kind of hanging back in other words waiting for the impeachment to happen too so the ball will be mick what well I think it's you know we just can't sit there and wait for the impeachment to happen. It's it it was a terrific that we had a party line. Vote in real. We really had A couple of senior Democrats won one number of leadership actually vote with the Republicans on to start the inquiry but the key is to get these thirty one freshman Democrats and it gets some of those to come over to our side and so I just think that every day. Hey you know this is a war of attrition. The Democrats have the media the Democrats You know have have prevented gas routes network. That's funded by people like source in a Michael Bloomberg and Tom Steyer And they're very motivated. Try to remove president trump from office. Now we know that's not gonNA happen but what they're trying to do is to blunt the art of the trump presidency. Do they really believe you can get to that point. I think they absolutely do. I mean listen. They believe they have the votes votes right now to actually bring a two. Maybe three articles of impeachment against him in the House before Christmas and they're moving very rapidly. There's like a blitzkrieg right next week. I think they're going to be some somewhere between you know eight and maybe ten a witnesses in this public hearing in so we've actually you know over the weekend we're GONNA have more people down in the Star Chamber for the For the private depositions what I call the auditions so you know the Democrats feel that. They're moving forward very rapidly. Definitely on this. And and and there they don't feel they're taking many hits because the mainstream media was the New York Times Washington posts. CNN or NBC CBS. They think there with so I think You know although we see this as a policy debate we don't think there's anything even close to being impeachable here. In fact we took the president. Did the exact right day which is focused on corruption in having other allies pitching here in the Ukraine The Democrats I think very confident. They're moving down the right path. You you said you're working on polling What are your polls show for the poll? Show that what what I think hurt was tweets that there was no organized response. It's too Nancy Pelosi. That's where we start to lose some independence. I think right now ever since really Matt Gaetz went down to the to the skiff and really brought up to the nation's nations attention. This was being done in secret. I think you've seen a shift in the polling. I think we're in kind of stasis right now but you know they hope would these public hearings particularly broadcast. TV to bring the nation in there. So far John the ratings have been quite low in these things have been quite Quite laborious they haven't been as exciting. I I think the Democrats have thought not as much drama so we don't know how much the nation's really tuning in right now but this is going to be a war of attrition. I mean this is where we've really gotTA AH messaging writing this work. President Trump's point of view on this in his side in this has to really come to the forefront. That's one of the reasons he tweeted. Today he tweeted actually during the hearing and was quite controversial because he was trying to get his side out any particular. Thomas on any of the people have testified so far I think the the key thing is that this is really a policy dispute between these unelected bureaucrats. This is the foreign policy. And it's the foreign policy policy of John McCain and the Bush family and And you know Madeleine all John Kerry Hillary Clinton the permanent political classes. Foreign Policy is on display here and this is what exactly what trump was elected to get away from this is about managed decline it. Donald Trump was about returning America took her former greatness. In that was about implementing America First National Security Policy the forefront of that was to make sure that we rooted out corruption that were not giving money these foreign countries just going to go to a bunch of top Kratz in addition and we're GonNa have allies like Germany and France nine kingdom particularly in Europe. They'RE GONNA THEY'RE GONNA put some money to work here and go shoulder to shoulder with us. I think trump and I think this gets down to a policy debate. I think a policy debate does that's needed but so far or you know so far the media has so sided with The Democrats have been kind of It's been kind of outrageous now. The the markets hit an an all time high on on Friday. I mean is somewhere I heard the comet its economy stupid I mean it. That doesn't mean average. American people feel that the the markets are all time. High unemployment is all time lows. How can they be people? Bullets don't support The President Listen. I just gets to the point John. You know the Walmart numbers one of the things that drove the market. The Walmart numbers were blow at numbers number one of the reasons that brought numbers. That's what we're working class and middle class people shop and you see the trump economy trump's got full employment wages going up. People are feeling very good about their financial situation. And they're spending money Like they haven't in the last couple of years that's why the Walmart numbers are good. That consumers driving this and one other reasons consumers are driving and people have jobs and wages are increasing and so against that backdrop. What you have is the Democrats who want to nullify the two thousand the sixteen election you you notice that? They don't talk about the power of trump's tax. They don't talk about the power of unlocking American entrepreneurs or the kind of animal spirits that you're seeing seeing now in Ghana. No you're you're an entrepreneur that entrepreneurs want to put money to work in the reason is is that the consumer is back in the consumers back because trump's got an economy economy where the consumer particularly working class people have good jobs and now they're getting a paycheck well on American businessmen. I believe in no oh interest rates I believe in a in not getting attacked by regulatory agencies and if I feel good what about it we create more jobs and businesses. All about well remember Elizabeth Warren and the radicalized part of the Democratic Party You're you're a target. They don't want you feeling good. And they particularly go are not issued about you creating jobs what they want you to do what they WanNa do is come and take start taking value. You've crazy in the wealth you've taken and they're not interested in you putting money back to work and I think that's what this campaign I think. The twenty twenty. It's GonNa come down to that. I believe that this impeachment. It's to try to blunt the Ark of trump's presidency remember. The Democrats are petrified. That trump has delivered for working class people. And that's what they're going to try to stop up here with this nonsense about Ukraine. If we have a full and frank debate about America First National Security Policy. DONALD TRUMP'S GONNA win this hands down. Well I agree You know I as a business I feel good about it and I'm supporting Donald Trump and I've said that publicly but you know the Democrats still out there fighting We have a thirty seconds. Left what do you want to tell the American people or blue. I think everybody start paying attention to his impeachment. Chrissy how outrageous it is. You'll see what it's a political warfare run by Nancy Pelosi President Trump's done nothing wrong. The phone call was perfect. And he's standing up for American tax. Payer in American servicemen to make sure that we got people that are shoulder to shoulder with in situations like Ukraine Steve. Bannon thank you for coming on Steve. Bannon President Trump's close advisor and let's catch up again real soon John. This is the cats roundtable. We'll be right back.
103: Alison Klayman on Steve Bannon in The Brink
"Welcome to pure nonfiction the podcast interviewing documentary film-makers. I'm Tom power the documentary programmer for the Toronto international film festival and artistic director of doc NYC. On this episode director, Alison Klayman and producer retrace gear gifts discussed their new documentary. The brink in the film Alison follows Steve Bannon through the ear of Twenty-eight teen after he was fired from Trump's White House and fired. From Breitbart news and lost the support of his billionaire backers the Mercer's but Bannon didn't slow down. He went looking for new financial backers and took his nationalist ideas abroad. We watch him meet with right wing leaders from the United Kingdom, France Italy. And elsewhere to start a new group he calls the movement, we helped knit together this populist nationalist movement throughout the world because guys Egypt come into the Modi's guys in India. Do you know in we get or Mon in even and we're somehow some sort of convening authority producer Marie Therese one. Worked with Bannon in an earlier chapter of their careers fifteen years ago. Bannon was the CEO of American vantage media that bought the art house distribution company wellspring, we're Marie Therese worked. She experienced his brusque management style that we witness in the film have to change your nappy powder. Your bottom. Yes. Marie Therese secured the access to Bannon and picked Allison is the director Allison's previous documentary. I way way never sorry about the dissident Chinese artist took a similar observational approach for covering Bannon. Allison took advice from Washington DC journalist. He told me that, you know, everyone in DC likes to think that their life is house of cards, but it's really veep. So I did have this in my head. And then when I was in this world, and especially seeing this team and organization I was like, wow, this is going to be funny too. And I think to capture the behind the scenes because it is not just the bumbling. But also, the feelings of self importance the naked desire for power and status all that. Bannon his disarming Bonomi, he seems to enjoy debating liberal journalists in the film, we sometimes hear Ellison asked pointed questions from behind the camera. She also captures him clashing with others guardian reporter, Paul Lewis accuses Bannon of using antisemitic dog whistles with references to globalism, and George Soros. You can't possibly those dog. Was you can't possibly there's a dog whistles? I think. Generally, you could not that they got I think it's a trivial Jacob thing and do the smoke. And so if I'm comfortable for me series. But I think serious offenses over omens. I. No. I think you're totally wrong. No, you're wrong. But we can talk about. Last week. Alison Emery Therese came to center for a sneak preview of the brink. The night was hosted by pure nonfiction, executive producer, Rafael and the housing. So everybody get comfortable because there is a lot to talk about Rafaele asked Marie trace to explain how she first came to know Steve Bannon so about fifteen years ago, I was working at an art house film distribution company in New York and Steve Bannon put together a group of people who bought the company, and he became my boss for about three years. And I always describe it as kind of like the best of times the worst of times, he as you see in the film, you know, he he was that guy yelling and screaming and pretty abusive and erratic and impossible, but he also sort of supported some of our most successful and high profile films and. For me personally, in many ways, you know, he was he was horrible. But he was also good to me, or at least saw my potential and gave me, you know, gave me some freedom and some power to kind of grow professionally it's cetera. So I had mixed feelings about him. But I definitely had some positive feelings about him and stayed in touch with him for a couple of years after I after the company closed, and then lost touch sort of also withdrew because he was increasingly getting involved with a tea party and increasingly far right politics, which I did not share. And there was just no natural connection anymore. Really? And and then like everybody I woke up to the news or actually I was awake. One night in Los Angeles to see that he had joined the Trump administration not the administration, but the campaign and had not been in touch with him for years at that point. But it or you know, it came as a great shock to me. Maybe it shouldn't have. But it did. And I was. Really not a fan of Trump to put it mildly, and I was really angry and disturbed that Steve was doing this work and the next morning. I wrote him a letter I had his Email address. I wrote him a letter basically expressing how angry disturbed I was. And and I don't know what I was thinking that it was like urging him to quit. It was ridiculous. But anyway, he wrote back to my surprise. And he was very polite and that began a kind of correspondence over the next month leading into his time in the White House in which I would send pretty scathing emails and text messages just saying pretty rude and nasty things to him about what he was doing. And he would always right back again. And he was always polite. And and and then I the same time. I was watching him explode, you know, on the national stage. You couldn't go any place. If everyone remembers you couldn't walk down the street without seeing his face. And I felt that I was watching him being depicted in a in a way that I. I felt was in some ways inaccurate. And in some ways quite dangerous. You know, he was being depicted right on SNL as Darth Vader. He was the evil genius mastermind death death himself. And what I knew was a that. While he is a very intelligent, man. No doubt. But that I didn't know him to be. A mastermind really of anything. I don't that's not really how he he works. And I'm not I'm not even being mean, it's just the truth that observed I felt that the description was giving him a lot of power and was actually a description, and that he would depiction should say that he loved even without talking to him about it. I knew he would love it. And that he was actually getting fueled by that image at the same time. I also knew him, and I think you see in the film to be a very charismatic guy when he wanted to be or when it could be to be funny charming, and that those things were also sources of his power and his influence, and that this was these were not things that you are seeing at all in the media, and to to sort of underestimate that was also to kind of at the same time underestimate him. So I felt that he was being both, you know over. Given too much power and also sort of being underestimated in certain ways, and then I just I didn't know what to do with this knowledge that I had and also this this relationship and my frustration. And then one day I just woke up, and I work in documentary, produced documentaries. And I said to myself, you know, I could make documentary about him. And I asked him I reached out and I asked him, and he was still in the White House. And he he wrote back and said no way you'll destroy me. Because he knew how it felt for months, and and then I just kept asking asked a few more times. And I would just say look, you know, how I feel about what you're doing. So I'm not gonna pretend that the film will be a some sort of hagiography. But I promise that it'll be intelligent. You know, it'll be a good film. All bring a really good filmmaker and the fourth time, I think he wrote back to my surprise. And just said, I'll do it and he was still in the White House. And then I just thought like oh shit. Now, we gotta do this. But and then I pretty much immediately. Asked Allison if she wanted to direct the film and Allison what was your reaction when retreads calls you and asks you if you want a direct to film about Bannon. So I kind of just said, yes, which I then spent, you know, thirteen plus months sort of be like, what did I say? Yes. But meaning like, let's interrogate that. Let's have a good reason why. But I did say I, you know, I would like to like my my sort of one stipulation, which is a big one was like I need to meet him. And see what he's like he hadn't really done any television like long format interviews a lot of the stuff that's out there. Now at that point. I guess if I listened to Breitbart radio, I realized I could have known what he little bit sounded like, but I really didn't know what he was like in person. I just had that image that retreads just described. I felt like the opportunity would be something where I would immediately. Understood this has to be verite. This is about an opportunity to go inside to be exposed to a whole world and a whole world view. But also to see how he operates what he's interested in doing next to me, the fact that it was going to be able to see things. Unfold in real time. We didn't know where it was going to go. Again, it started when she called me he was still in the White House. But then even when it became that. He was leaving. It was really even bigger question. You know, what is he going to do next? And I felt like it was an entree into a bigger world. But I needed to know that he was a good character. So to speak like, a could I did I wanna spend the time, you know, watching him and keeping him in focus in my little monitor. And could he carry a film, and we went in September twenty seventeen. And that was the first time I met him not not filming just an introduction and he like walked into the room. And I really swear like the first ten seconds. I was like oh, man. Okay. Yes. He is a good character. He's going to say some shit. Like, this is I think this is going to be good because I really didn't expect from the get-go, you know, what I encountered, and we're there any stipulation setup because I can imagine he's in the White House. He's extremely controversial. He's very well known. You've made a film about IWay. How did that whole? Thing. Get set up where there any limits imposed anything. No there were no limits. And that was something I said up front in the first emails, I said, you know, the whoever the director is that person will have creative control. I want director to follow you for a period of time. And there can be no limits. And there weren't I mean, it took us we were actually filming. I am saying this to a bunch of filmmakers, but we were filming before we actually had our release fully executed that took quite a while. But not because there were negotiations. We're really none. And I think we actually, but but he just held out for a while. I think you know, and eventually I knew he would I knew he would sign it. But I think the people around him weren't thrilled about the film. But no there weren't and he was I mean Alec those stipulations were really from our side. Of course, you know, that we were saying you can't have any control, and that we were also asking for basically exclusive access in certainly in this capacity of film. Ming? But I think that you know, the one thing that he could control even though it is like it wasn't on paper that we couldn't do XYZ. But you know, as you see in the film, and I we made the effort to put it in the film. So you see that I understand full access isn't like full access. It's you know, it's kind of the same as any documentary film. I mean, it what he allows me to film. I have to like. Were my way in figure out where he's going what he's doing ask to be able to film, the other people in the scenes have to also agree to be filmed. And there were some meetings where I feel like, you know, he he asked me to film, which I looked with a big side. I like why does he what is it that he wants out of this? But you know, I can film things and not put it in the movie. So I could film things even if I wasn't interested there were some meetings where part of it happens. And then he says his way of telling me to leave was to get everything you need to get everything you need. He would always say it like that. And then usually was conversations about money and finances, the the real the real stuff, and then there were times like those the lunch and dinner with the far right leaders of Europe where I'm very proud of those. Because that was you know, I was in that room from start to finish. You know, it wasn't like here's the preamble because Allison's here, and then, you know, ask her to leave. It was. All a range and the access to get better over time as it, you know, typically does in these kinds of projects, and those leaders refine with you being there as well to the very last moment. I was I was ready to go in. And I went to put the microphone on on Bannon in his room because everyone was assembled except for Representative Paul gosar sitting congressmen of Arizona who if you guys remember he's the one he won his reelection in the midterms. He's the one who famously all five of his siblings campaign for his opponent. So he he wasn't there yet. But I went up to put the microphone on banning because I think it was like a little less awkward if you know, we didn't have to stop and put the microphone on. And he said, look, I can't do it. You know, listen, I was ready to have you do it. But there's going be a sitting congressman in this meeting. Like, you know, he's really he's got to say, yes. Or like, you know, this can't happen. And I was like really pissed because like that was my daily thing was trying to film interesting things, but I waited outside the room, and as he was walking in one of Bannon's team asked gosar, if he would agree to have we have a documentarian again as always made clear, you know, not that I didn't work for them. But you know, she's been filming she's interested in the populist movement. And can she film, and he said sure and basically emerged out of nowhere like falling in formation behind them and walked in and Bannon was like did he say, yes. And he said, yes. So then I was sort of introduced to the room and everyone said it was okay. And then I filmed from start to finish I took their group photo. And then I asked them all to sign the release incredible. Another day at the office. I mean, what's so incredible about the film is the amount of nuance. There is and he is such a layered, man. I mean, he's very self aware of where he's going to look bad. I mean, there's so many scenery saying, oh, you're going to slay me in this film. You're going to look bad yet. He doesn't tell you to cut anything out. And he doesn't have any creative control over the film. And I was wondering retry like how is your relationship with him after filming started? It's one thing to get somebody to agree to film. But then as Allison's there, and this whole film is taking this new turn. And they're in Europe. And there's other national leaders where there any other communications between you inhale where he might have expecting them all the time pretty much because. There were always I mean, Alison our communicating all the time. And there would be times when let's say Alison was having trouble getting in someplace where he was just he wasn't. They're not letting her or just know what the people around him were letting her in or were, you know, where we would discuss kind of his coming schedule, and what he was going to be because it was changing every day. So I had to I was in touch with them constantly. You know, I it was I was very transparent. I still I was still saying scathing things about what he was doing which was probably very unprofessional of me as a producer. But I was I couldn't help it. But no, I mean, you know, it's complicated complicated. I can I can only explain it as if like when I knew him he was a Republican. And he was what I consider it at the time like like a fairly moderate Republican. I didn't see any of these any of the particularly more extreme views in him at the time needed an express them openly. And so I had to go through my own journey cheesy word, but of kind of getting to know the new in some ways, the new old, Steve which was, you know, painful, honestly, in some ways and interesting and the best the best filling I have is watching the film as Alison I spoke a lot about. Certainly moral issues and ethical issues. But but we never really spoke that much about him. And I also felt really strongly that Alison really had to have her own experience of him. I didn't I really went to very few shoots. I was only there maybe two or three times. I kept my own relationship with the on separately. But I knew she had she really gave me. I mean, everything we're talking about now where we sound very in sync. This is all are like new because now we talk about the film and give interviews and certainly things we talked about in in the edit as it was coming to a close, but she really gave me so much space. I didn't go in with Marie tras impression of him. I really went in like who is the sky. I'm gonna find out, and you know, I now see or could see from the me, but that was very intentional on her part to like this wasn't you know, I think it was probably relieving that some of the things that emerge in this. Thank you as you said nuance film. I mean that I think that thing of him being both capable of incredible phone. Awareness and having these moments where he's totally revealing himself in ways that you just felt like he didn't know he was revealing himself in so many little ways, you know? I think that I think all those things that I was seeing in that I put into the edit were matched with how Marie Trez had knew him an ounce, and you're doing this alone both camera and sound and directing like, you're a one woman show. So for thirteen months embedded with him. We can clap for that let let seriously for that. I also want to highlight you're in these rooms that are predominantly male. So I'd love you to speak a little bit about both the challenges of being solo team on all those fronts and also whether or not it might not have been with an advantage or a disadvantage at times to be in these all male environments as a female director. I thought it was viewed it as an advantage. Certainly to be a one person crew. I just think you can't it's always hard. If I mean, I felt this way about I way I think this is just true of access in general like being one person the ask to like be there and being -cluded and be in the room. It's just so much easier. If it's just you it's just you know, and trying to have the small footprint today. I put on Instagram if you guys wanna look at Allie clay, but I put a picture it's like one of the few pictures of me during a shoot 'em retreads took it because she was there. It was on the upper east side is that, you know, one of the mid term events, but you know, it's me and a really big fanny pack and the camera in Amman pod. And I always like wore all black, and I kind of had, you know, I was definitely not there, you know, with a false persona, but I put on especially for this project a little bit like the armor, right? And I'd really tried to just be like this person. Who's like always there like all in black? Pretty quiet trying to be agreeable. My main question every day is just like can I come? When can I go in everybody just knew I really wanted to access just because I wanted to be in the room enrolling and tried to roll nonstop have enough cards. So that I downloaded for better or worse like at night. Because the days were just too unpredictable and try to be someone who can move and carry all your stuff without anybody's help. And I think you know, I think that sometimes being a woman and also maybe being. Appearing on the younger side, sometimes than there were like a fair number of people there, you know, like reams a little bit younger than me. But you know, often, it was also older people. You know, you just I don't really know that I like leaned into anything. But I did like I said in the intro kind of hope that there was like a level of underestimation, which I think makes sense like I'm just one person with a camera on and pod. Like, what what am I even doing, you know, like, and I think if you're there long enough the like what you're doing just becomes even harder to to discern. If you're just there a lot I also appreciated when you did interject questions that were great conversations. And I felt a report between the two of you. I felt that he looked to you as somebody. He could talk to and I wonder like your own politics. Neither I mean retract you. Clearly, don't hide your politics. Alison, I don't know if you in him did have more political conversations. But how is it to navigate trying to be a full on observer versus trying to check. Challenge somebody especially when you're watching them give these same lines every single day. And I think partly partly why in the film, you hear my voice a bit more as time goes on and that both mirrors the relationship itself. Also that was also on purpose because one thing one of the things I observed him from the day one who would say is like part of that don't ever underestimate him was like he when he comes to the, you know, when it comes to debating, he's he is full on it is like combat, and it's going to be frankly, I think not in good faith. He's going to change the topic. He's going to throw a different set of facts and figures whether or not it's distort distorted and I from the first day. I was like, well, I need to like watch the sky for a while. I wasn't the format of the film wasn't for me to Spar with him. That wasn't the the way the format was kind of structured, but especially because of who he was I was like I want to watch him talk to a lot of people and. It did get to the point where I could finish a lot of his sentences. You know, he kind of has a stump speech you're arose between two thorns. You know, early on when we were talking about how do you convey also some of the things, you know, how do you deal with someone like that who might be saying things that are? Are distortions or you know, how do you do all that? I remember early conversations as I think we'll be able to use repetition. I think we'll be able to use, you know, Jackson position the order in which you put things can say a lot. Even if we're not, you know, bringing in a talking head to tell you this is what he's doing here. I think you can invite the audience to to think about things just based on what choices are made in what you include in the film, and where you put it. But yeah. In any case, I just I did feel like I wanted to it would be I would fare better. If I watched him for a long time. I also wanted to that released to get signed. He knew what my, you know, he knew that my ordination, I think the way marine tries introduce me it was like this Alson. She's Jewish granddaughter of holocaust survivors, like it was very clear that my politics were left, and he would always call me his like commie lefty Brown University, filmmaker or Brown, filming or whatever. But you know, I I think as time went on. Yeah. Like, the little bits you hear those. They're like. Hours of conversations that we had especially by the end. But it wasn't so much for me to like again for me necessarily to get my licks. It was sort of like where I felt like I didn't have anyone else saying something because I was always preferred if someone else would do the work in front of the camera like the Paul Lewis seen obviously is great. And you know, it's better that it comes from two characters in front of the camera. But also, I feel like. For me. It was really about trying to see if I get something new out of him. So a lot of what I would say to like just trying to see. Okay. If I say this. If I challenged him this way because you're gonna give me something new like, it was just, you know, we would have hours on a plane or we'd have thirty minutes in between interviews, and you know, I've just try to see what what I would get that felt new or different the thing about the cultural like, you know, who does identity politics. I'd say that to me was more like I mean, honestly that moment, and you know, the the globalist sort of line in the car. I mean, those were maybe a little bit cathartic where I was just like it bugs me that this needs to be said right now. But yeah, you know, some of it was just trying to see if I would learn anything new about him or get a different performance out of him, depending how I approached him. How did your feelings about him change question for both of you? If they even changed throughout the process. I would say for me. I, you know, I I used to joke when I when I knew him many years ago because of his interests and his some of his hobbies, and I would say I would say come on like like, I know you're a closet liberal because many of his interest many of the things he talks about or not things we associate necessarily with people on the right? Little in the far. Right. And he would always say like, shh, don't tell anyone, and it was actually kind of believable. Right. I mean, I I would say I would not say that now. I I think that. People ask the question, which is maybe you're planning to Ardy asked him jumping the gun. But people always ask us, you know, really a racist is really intimate equity think he's just an opportunist. And that was I would say for me personally making this film. Those were those were big questions looming over me, they were painful questions. It's not it's not pleasant to think of someone that you knew well and actually liked in some ways being, you know, being those things, and I think the conclusion I reached is that it doesn't matter what you know, what he believes in his heart. I don't know. I just look at the actions, and I look at you know, the people who works with and the g that he promotes and what he's, you know, everyday working to to fuel and the policies and at cetera into me those that's the answer. And I think that that is the conclusion I came to and I really think that you know, so that was, but when I look at the film when I saw the very first assembly one. The things I felt good about is. I felt like that's the person. I know, you know, it's not every single last. But it's it's very fair, which was also important to me because I, you know, not just about because it was about him. But I really believe there were living in a moment where there's no gray area. Everything's black and white, and we wanna see people in one way. And like what if someone is doing really really bad shit? But is actually not, you know, this this constantly like fire-breathing maniac, but actually has some qualities that you know, you might like or you might like if you're sitting next to you that's actually scarier. I I really believe that. And I think that's why we wanna make people into super villains. It's a lot less frightening because we think maybe there's one of them or two of them. But you know, this guy could be anyone that you meet. And so yeah, sorry that was probably a rambling answer to that question. But I I would say he's he's still the same person in terms of his personality. But I do think his views have really volved in our some of you know, I think in some areas, he's a true believer. And Allison same. For you after thirteen months of being with him day in day out. I mean, I really look at it more as like I was filling in the portrait the whole time. Because look I came in with views about the policies, the Trump administration Breitbart news, I didn't see anything that made me change. How I felt about you know, the the morality what's good for the country. What's the right side of history? Like, look, I'm a person. I'm I'm a filmmaker artist. I who's also a citizen of this country. I have my politics. I bring them to this film. And I didn't I didn't encounter anything that caused me to change those beliefs, but I didn't know see Bannon at all. So this was like I feel like, and I believe that's what I do in in doing this kind of work. It's like you come in. And you're really like I am an open book show me who you are. So I feel like it was you know, it's all like the construction of this of this. Image which then is my job to put on screen for people. And has he seen the film or any of his team since seen the film, and what were their thoughts? He's seen. I showed him the film right before Sundance. And I think that you know, it's a strange thing when someone's been following you for a year to watch yourself onscreen like that. And I think he was was a little distracting. He only saw it once. And he was you know, he wasn't particularly vocal during the screening. Wasn't very clear. I don't know if it was intentional. If you didn't seem to hate it in to love it. And but then you know, we were in close touch very often. There are a lot of things I need to tell him about ask him about tell him. And then once the reviews came out during Sundance and an interview that I did he he cut me off and stop talking to me. So I I, you know, I extrapolate from that what he thinks about the movie right now. But he hasn't told me or spoken to me. So what was Steve Bannon's motive to appear in the movie audience member put that question to Alison, I don't know that I know any better than the evidence that I tried to put in this film, because I don't know that he, you know, he's always performing he's calibrating the answers. I think that there's a mixture of. Opportunism and seeking his own status fame and financial gain. I think that that is evidenced by the way, he uses the media, which I don't think is just about getting some sort of message out. I think it's also it's important for him. You know, why would he let this film? You know, be made. Why would he let multiple films be made about him? You know, he sees himself as a he believes in the great man version of history. And he is one of those great men and his activities are all funded by billionaires, you know, the people he spends time with as he talks about being for the little guy are billionaires, you know, he's a millionaire funded by billionaire. So I, you know, I also look at his policies. I personally don't believe that they map out. A path to a better life for the average person or for the people that are hurting in various ways, economically, you know, in terms. I think there's much more direct ways to help people like healthcare and minimum wage regulating corporations. These are not things he believes in. So when you also see who he spends time with and how he spends his time. I think it's really clear who's carrying water for. I think it's also really clear that the super rich are not threatened by him even though he acts like he's coming up against them. So so to me, I'm inferring what his alternate goals are from that. I also think there is some ideology that he holds an I think that's evidenced by when he gets, you know, in the room with these foreign leaders, and they talk about they worry about birth rates of Islamic people coming to Europe, and he talks about the Judeo Christian west. And which is so to me, there are some things that are in there that matter, but you know, I think it somehow it's a mixture of all of that. And I just really tried to put in what I think are the clues in the film. I want to thank director, Alison Klayman and producer Marie trace gear. Guests for joining us there filmed the brink is now playing in theaters distributed by magnolia pictures. Thanks to peered on fictions executive producer Rafael Andy housing for hosting. If you're in New York City, please join us on Tuesday nights for pure nonfiction at IFC center. Our spring season starts on April ninth and runs through the end of may each Tuesday who show a documentary followed by a conversation with the filmmakers or other special guests, you can get more information on our website. Thanks to our team series producer Hannah northern swan and web designer cross strategy. Our theme music is composed by Andre Williams who passed away last month at age eighty two. 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Steve Bannon 8-11-19
"Good morning america. This is the cats roundtable. This is john katzman t._v.'s. It's sunday morning at what's going on. In our country. We have wanted wanted to brightest guys. I know he was chief. Strategist for president trump becoming the president is named steve bannon good morning steve bannon. How are you descending money. I'm doing great john. Thank you so much for having me on the show what the heck is going on in our country. He got shootings. You you know we have every disruption known to man. I mean it started about a year ago. When all of a sudden football players started kneeling down. It's somebody paying these people what's going on. We'll look. I'm actually <hes> talking to you from the southern border. I've been down here for several weeks. You know we had a symposium him. In fact that your son spoke at and many others at the wall that we built <hes> outside of el paso texas and new mexico down in arizona new mexico looking for additional <hes> land from private landowners to build additional wall of augment president trump's border wall in and look president trump later set of policies economic policies that have helped african americans hispanics. <hes> wages are increasing unemployment's at all time lows <hes> he's got. He's he's trying to put in a national security program to protect the border towns to protect the citizens united states also the citizens of mexico and central america erica by putting in a border a you know security system on the southern border and i think would you've got is just it's divisions in this country and honestly i think this is driven a lot by people hold that oppose president trump's policies and realized that they can't defeat the policies so they're gonna smear him as being a racist the white supremacist all of this stuff and i don't think any give it holds water. President trump is not a racist. He's not a white supremacist. He's someone who has put a series of policies in that really have helped not just everybody but it really helped <hes> the african the american in the hispanic community in the united states <hes> you know very strongly and so i think you see these. These divisions are being sown by the radical left half now that being said we have these individuals these monsters. I call a bit of going down the shootings and to me. I think we're missing one of the basic points. Is that the two groups. That should be directly responsible for this number one. The shooter's themselves should be responsible. You know not one that has not been killed in doing some of these acts. <hes> not one of them's been executed <hes>. I think that we have these are capital crimes their murderous murdering innocent. You've got to hold these people responsible number two. Is the parents parents right every it you all of these. Young people seem to be the same on the left. The dayton situation was a guy on the extreme left <hes> satanist <hes> you know hated needed religion <hes> he was a supporter of elizabeth warren and bernie sanders and others the guy in <hes> in el paso appeared to have issues <hes> regarding <hes> immigration but my point is both of these were known by their parents to be troubled individuals in the parents of never held responsible so i think we've got to have a frank discussion not just about mental health and guns and everything else who wants to talk about but the two things we're not talking about individual responsibility for shooting in the parent's responsibility for these shootings you know the parents of people should understand. You're just not going to be a look the other way and have your kids grow grow into monsters in your home right with your resources and have them go out and inflict this type of <hes> of carnage on innocent american people and just us you know kind of the hey sorry about that to me. It's it's outrageous and skopje address. We had law enforcement session on on wednesday five o'clock show and we had to form a deputy director in charge new yorker of the f._b._i. And we had a deputy commissioner john <music> miller and commissioner ray kelly a high end and somebody from the white house and i said why can't we get more intelligence. It's you know we have a nationwide nine. One one where you call the police. Maybe we should have a nine nine nine where you call the f._b._i. Hi and say my next door. Neighbor is not wouldn't that. Be you know a beginning well listen. I think in in in a couple of situations you've you've seen actually i think we're the parents are trying to reach out to the police. That's gotta get much better. <hes> i think we ought to have definitely you ought to have you know i it you definitely have to have they have a system and you have to get better on the execution of it. Finding out who these individuals are and making sure that they don't metastasized to become the monsters they are obviously sleep we have issues with civil liberties and due process and that all has to be taken into account but i think now when people are talking about new gun restrictions and the in and all these issues of you know is it is white supremacy terrorism that all has to be addressed. I think the white supremacy terrorism is way overplay. I think that this is individuals and you see this data. You know the mainstream media does not wanna really talk about this guy date and was an extreme leftists. He was antifa supporter says the problems on both sides the problem has to be addressed so i agree with some of the law enforcement addition <hes> president obama didn't get any negatives <hes> chicago. We're killing more african americans on a weekly basis and nobody talks about it. Philadelphia is is coming up second to chicago and <music>. Something has to be done because people are dying well listen. This is one of the reasons that the border wall remember. Let's talk about chicago. The chicago of a lot of the killings in chicago and protected from a couple years ago about gang wars related to drugs and the turf drugs. This is all driven by the cartels. People have to understand that the drug cartels cartels have a major influence on crime in the united states particularly inner city crime particularly crime among african americans. It was the chicago crime commission. I think in two thousand doesn't fifteen designated public enemy number one for the first time since nineteen twenty nine when the designated al capone to be public henry number one that public enemy number number one in two thousand fifteen was el chapo. It was ahead of a cartel in northern mexico and the reason was he was fueling the gang wars because of drugs. That's why this this wall is anti races. The wall is to protect the citizens of northern mexico. It's to protect us in central america. It's protect the citizens in the border towns sounds of the united states in the united states is to break the back of the cartels and make sure that you stopped the cartels <hes> trafficking humans drug trafficking trafficking of sex worker trafficking etc <hes> and that's why if you're going to get a handle on crime the first thing to me you have to do. Is you have to secure the southern border understood for the trump trying to now. I understand when we talked a few weeks ago. You're very very very much concern about about hong kong and china. Let's start a conversation well <hes> john <hes> worked on this is not just the campaign the transition but from the first days in the white house as i said on many different occasions that the central <hes> framing device or geostrategic devices this this competition between <hes> the united hi states in china and this is not about the chinese people chinese people are the most wonderful hardworking people in the words. You can see from these kids in hong kong. This is about this radical group the chinese communist. I'm is party that has enslaved the chinese people and right now they have been running a war against the industrial democracies particularly the united states for twenty years president president trump. This entire trade deal is really the engagement in an economic war. They've been running against us. In these seven verticals of state on industries of cyber intrusions of stealing healing our intellectual property of doing force technology transfers essentially de-industrializing the united states and taking the manufacturing and high value added jobs to china president trump is now engaged in that and this this war has many fronts to it it has a it has a trade component to it. It has a technology component to it. It has a currency <hes> component to it and you've seen here recently over the last week. There's been tremendous. <hes> <hes> you know events that have happened the last week about china's currency about about china's currency manipulation about them refusing to buy egg product now from the united states this is going to be. I think the most intense thing president trump does i think it's going to be one of the most important elements of the two thousand campaign. If you look at hong kong specifically and i would i would ask everybody looked at hong kong for the simple reason you have young people in the streets now for the last eight weeks. This is a city. That's the third biggest capital market in the world. You have new york's number one. The city of london is number two in hog collins number number three the as young people are being teargassed beaten shot with rubber bullets in there in the streets fighting for free market capitalism. They're fighting the chinese communist his party from from china trying to shut down the freedoms of hong kong. Wow this is very very powerful. In its i tell you the events in hong kong are going going into if the chinese communist party the chinese communist party put <hes> the pl as they put the soldiers into into hong kong like a second tenement square i think it's going to be i think you'll see a major international reaction from the united states from great britain and from the european union and you predictions well i think i think we're in a very look. These general strikes are occurring. The chinese have already said they're not gonna tolerate this much more. I believe you're gonna see a major movement but attorneys communist party to put not just riot police but actually to bring paramilitary forces what they call the stability force into start to shut down these protests <hes> in china and i think that will be a game changer. The world's a very different place than nineteen eighty nine gentlemen square happened. I do not believe the free world. I don't believe the united states the the united kingdom japan and others are prepared to allow another tiananmen square to happen where tens of thousands of people were gunned down so we'll have to see see but i think this this this trump china in wild way on the technology side are the two major parts of leverage. I think president trump has over the chinese even more so than the trade. I think president trump's winning on this. I think he's been steadfast. <hes> he understands that he understands this problem. The central problem the world economy automate what china's driving better than anybody and i think people should understand that this is what really separates him from joe biden. What's what is china wanna to do long term. Do they want peace. Chinese have always been peaceful people or are they changing the chinese. People have always been peaceful useful. Problem is the chinese communist party. The let me briefly walk through. They have a niche three different initiatives that show they wanna be global hegemonic economically in control the world's this comic they have a thing called one belt one road which is this massive infrastructure project that unites all the eurasian landmass with china as the center of but that's number one number two they have a concept called made in china twenty twenty five which is a series of initiatives built around advanced chip design artificial intelligence elegance in robotics that will make them the dominant highway edit manufacturer by the year twenty twenty five. The third element is wild way. Why is there is there technology not company that will dominate five g. Five g. is the future the underpinnings of all future technological progress those three elements combined. They've i've been driving now for ten or fifteen years nance by wall street in the technology given by companies in the united states or stolen from them will make china by the year twenty twenty five five twenty thirty a global economic hegemony of the united states will be a second class second class economic power like two quite frankly and trade. We are today remember where a tributary state that china. We just send them soybeans wheat natural gas timber. We sell them very few finished. There's products where they send us six hundred billion dollars a year and finished products and three hundred fifty billion dollars in electronics so this balancing this restructuring and balances alice's the centerpiece of what president trump was negotiating in that massive trade deal which the chinese negotiated with him for a year and then walked away so the chinese the chinese communist party has a very thought through and detailed plan to become a global hegemony. That's the economic war. They've been running against the west for twenty years. Both republicans and democrats wall street and global corporatist have been in bed with them and donald trump's the first leader in the united states that we've ever had stood. Tom said hey this is this is not the way it's going to be. You're going to get you're going to come into the bar. You're gonna come into the free market. <hes> system the free market capitalist system that we we have throughout the world and so that's what their struggles about steve we got one minute left standing in the oval office will whispering into president trump's air. What would you advise me stay. The course his policies have been correct on the economy is policies have been correct on the southern border is policies has been correct on the handling of china and all these trade deals. It's the signal versus the noise john. His signal is very strong what he's doing on the fundamental policies sees of his administration have led to a prosperous and vibrant america that the the noise of the tweets and all that every day is to be people should just put that aside focus on what the man is doing. His actions are powerful. It's made the united states turned around and said konami. It's made us a world leader again and it's allowed us to stand stand up to a china that was trying to run the tables for us so it'd be very simple. Stay the course steve bannon. Thank you coming on sunday morning. <hes> thank you for your love for america and what you've always done for america and let's catch up again real soon john. Thank you so much for having me on the show thank you. This is the cats roundtable. We'll be right back.
Steve Bannon 3-8-20
"Good Morning America. This is the cats cable. John Cats Matisse here with US this morning Steve. Bannon president trump's Chief strategist and currently running the war room a special radio show and podcast letting people know what's going on in the world. Good Morning Mr Bannon. How are you this morning John? Thanks for having me on. I guess number one thing on everybody's mind is morning. and wool weak is the corona virus. What here you on this. Well you know John. Back in January we started. We split our podcast right at the end of impeachment process into two. We have more room. Twenty twenty two focuses on the election. We have were pandemic to focus on the pandemic and the reason we started early was kind of my interest in and knowledge of China I realized because we broadcast separate area three days a week in China that something is going on so huge in Bay province in Wuhan That eventually led to its complete corn team of eighty million people in an area size of France and so we realized that Although you know people have a very tenuous grasp of this virus even the top scientists as trying to find out more about it than what the Chinese did in there in the central China was of such historic nature that We thought it was. You know it required a special consideration to analyze into follow into basically do a radio show on a podcast about you can see today. The way spreading in the United States to this is something that's GonNa be a have a big impact on our economy In a big impact on our healthcare system. At what point does start affecting people riding subways People going to the movies people going to the basketball arena especially all the basketball's coming around this week have have we seen any serious defect lately. Well here's the thing. Is that as the scientists tell you? There's only the people that studying and put down these virus epidemics and pandemics. There's only two ways to basically solve these things. One is a vaccine and the others is what they call social separation in China they they tried a radical social separation and Pearsley somehow to kind of get their hands around it. You know social separation means that you got to start thinking about what you do with. Big Groups are looking Seattle. Seattle starting last week Actually Had PEOPLE NOT COMING INTO WORK? Essentially started to lockdown at least in some aspect of city of over two million people. If you see what's happening and other big breakout areas. Besides China like calm Iran in particularly northern Italy. The Italian government just announced yesterday afternoon. They're essentially going to follow what the Chinese did and they're going to quarantine twenty five percent of the country up in the Lombardy in Milan area. Now that turns out. It's you know it's the most productive part of the industrial base of Italy but going to actually to a hard quarantine so when this happened to the United States no one knows but you already see that with Governor Cuomo declaring a state of emergency in New York City with the governor in Washington declaring a state of emergency out there. That political figures started trying to get ahead of this about. What's going to happen with you know large gatherings whether it's basketball games sporting events was can we on mass transit? I think people will make local authorities in in coordination with the federal governmental. Start making decisions about this but at least for some period of time you know life is going to change someone. People have to be much more focused on on what they're doing and this is obviously going to have a big impact on the economy. It looks like the cruise ship. Economy is going to be hurt. Tremendously the other one airlines You know there's an old adage that if one person has a cold on a on an airline that of two hundred many people gonNA catch it while people that are thinking about traveling. Look here's an impact on the economy as we say we started the show. You have a virus. It's coming out of China. But you also have an economic contagion. The economic piece is in two parts. One you talked about the perturbations in just travel conferences. Hotels restaurants all those types of things that people do was activity in kind of social gatherings. And that that's a fairly large part of the economy when everything up in addition I think actually more Portland. I think this is what the stock market's reacting to is this The systemic risk. We have because of all the supply chain remember the globalization project over the last twenty five or thirty years as May China manufacturing center of the world with kind of this logistics chain of just-in-time inventory spreading throughout the rest of the world particularly the United States and Western Europe. It's that logistics chain being calling the question and that's twofold one is obviously all the drugs in mask and you know hospital consumables. That turn at are all made in China. In addition it's all the industrial equipment is the electronics. All of that. And that's what I think you're seeing so much You know all this consternation in the stock and bond market is people trying to get arms around this but this is this is quite serious as far as the economy goes because your background In the navy and in the White House You have a lodge intelligence network. I'll tell your story. I heard yesterday from people that I know that area. You know we all know. And everybody knows it's been repeated that it will haunt they say biowarfare facility What I heard is one of the employees at via warfare facility took somebody sick animals that were being ingested and sold them at the marketplace in cowardice hoping started. Have you heard that well? I I think there's twofold I I agree with senator. Cotton that It's incumbent upon the Chinese Communist Party to get all the information out to the CDC World Health Organization in the world to make sure we actually understand the origin of this now. Most scientists out there today still say they think it's a natural mutation of some virus occurred in October or November late November. But there is a contingent of says. Hey it's coming up on the Chinese to show us this and this P. Four lab that was really built to come up with SARS vaccines right. People are saying that. Hey it may have either vaccine. That went awry and somehow slipped out on our ploy or to your point and employees might actually sold one of the infected animals. We just don't know and I think it's very important for the Chinese party to be completely frank with everybody and I agree with senator cotton that I think we gotta get to the bottom of this. This is not pointing fingers and saying this absolutely happened but right now we just don't know much about the origins now. Secretary State Pompeo did say on Squawk box today quote we know how this thing started unquote and so I think the data is something that has got to be drilled down more. Because it's about the vaccine is how quickly get a vaccine remember in basic SARS? We still don't have a vaccine seventeen or eighteen years later so I think people have to be very realistic about this. I do agree with senator cotton. The Chinese Communist Party has to give all information of what happened in that P. for lab in the city of Bullhorn agreed war-room Twenty twenty. Now what a difference a week makes my God. After Super Tuesday the world changed completely. What do you say well look? I still see what I've seen for a while. Which is the consolidation and the Democratic Party around the candidate to to steal this from Bernie from Bernie Sanders? I think you see with Bloomberg's money Bloomberg just announced he's an unlimited money to six battleground states to go after president trump on on negative advertising. Get Get out the vote efforts and you see this coming around. I happen to think regardless of what the poll say right now as you watch and I've study Biden very closely over the last couple of weeks when you see his daily stops in the campaign particularly later in the day. What I call the sun-downer problem. He's pretty pathetic I think he's a very weak candidate. Things were very hard time staying up to president trump but it looks like on this Tuesday unless Bernie Sanders can really make a stand at Michigan that I think that nomination maybe slipping away from way from Bernie because the following week and some of these big states like Florida and Ohio Bernie have a real problem in in Florida. I think he's polling. You know this thirty or forty or fifty point spread between the Biden and Bernie right now so Bernie's Bernie's ability to close this out is is getting tougher and tougher. This could go all the way to the convention with a NI- neither candidate getting enough delegates in the first round of the second round the The establishment candidate would win. I still happen to believe that. Biden is gonNA show that he's to two week a candidate and you're gonna see either Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama anti-gay come into say the Democratic Party and to run against trump. I think they're gonNA steal it definitely steal from Bernie while thirty seconds left when Bernie people realize stealing from him again and that he's being screwed again any chance he starts a third party. I don't think you'll start a third party. I think a higher probabilities. What happened in Sixteen John? And that is that a significant portion ten to fifteen to twenty percent of Bernie's people either stay home in the general election or vote for president trump president trump's path to victory against a against a centrist candidate like Biden is to rerun the playbook a sixteen and a basically draw the dispirited Bernie economic nationalist. Who really agree with us on much of the trade policy and other issues Don't agree with everything either. Stay home particularly in states like Wisconsin Michigan and Pennsylvania or actually vote for president trump. So no I don't think Bernie's I don't think Bernie will credit third party. I actually think he agreed. He said he would actually support Biden If I won the nomination but I think he's people I think as people many of them are either stay home or they will vote for president. Trump Steve Bannon. Thank you so much for calling into Sunday morning and reflecting your knowledge. Dd Merkin people in the back foot. Everything you've done for America And you navy career and your career at the White House and let's catch up again real soon John. Thanks very much had show. This is the catch roundtable. Be Right back.
Why Steve Bannon Got Arrested
"Expanding by is just fast it's Internet that gives you peace of mind security because if it's connected It's protected. Yeah. Even your robot back you. Can Your Internet do that learn more at expanding dot com slash SL. In nineteen eighty-three Diane downs shot her three children killing one and severely injuring the others she showed up for her trial pregnant. Now, nearly forty years later that child Becky Babcock is on a journey to explore her connection with her mother's violent past listened to happy face presents to face on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you find your favorite shows. Part. To cast That was. Just sounds that was just mouth sounds great album by Nielsen. CERIGA. Check out. This is Robert Evans into using his podcast behind the bastards very poorly miles please come in and save me from mellow bobby good to be here miles gray coming in live and direct from the city of assholes I mean angels, Ma Miles when you when you did your podcast training yes. Which Day did they teach you how to do something besides? Grunt. incoherently while introducing a podcast. I don't know I mean I'm not look full disclosure I faked all my podcast education. Unlicensed podcast. I mean Look Robert Actually if I can tell you one, God. Damn. It I did I. Did I'm GonNa Fake Man Shea? Hey. You're a guy you podcast I'm like, yes that is how it works. That is just how it works. If you're a guy you, you're giving a podcast and the early days they weren't even given. It was just a bunch of like like zombies with Mike Spann the have this podcast you're now endorsed by this company that males you things that you used to buy from the. Right. Yeah Boy Speaking of Griffith's mile. Do. You remember that bill the wall we the people will build the wall go find me that raised five million dollars. How could I forget something that on its face was like immediately visible Konczal, get it was such a beautiful. We didn't episode about this which you can check out Katie in cody where the guests on that one I think and. I don't like them anymore because I, work with another podcast so. We're angry at each other. Now, let's just it's the would their podcast too much So we we talked about them. Basically, the gist of it is that this Guy Brian Cole, who is like he likes to brand himself as the most severely injured airman in US airman in Iraq, which might be true. I mean. I don't know how you like measure that. But he was like horrifically wounded. He was on his way to the gym on a base in the Green Zone when a mortar landed right next to him and he lost his legs and like part of it, hey, an arm like they got really fucked up about as badly as you can without dying. So we came back home and he started like a fake news empire on facebook with like all these right wing news websites and he's making quite a bit of money before facebook shut his whole network down because it was like he was breaking the their terms of service a bunch. With like a bunch of coordinated and authentic activity and stuff like all the right wing. Yeah. Yeah. So they shut him down in when his money spigot got turned off and there's like articles from people who worked at the time. He said like guy has a horrible temper he could get like violent and stuff at the drop of a hat huge. He's just a very unpleasant person. which you know I'm sure some of that horrific trauma but it doesn't excuse gripping thousands of people, which is what he did next. So we created a GOFUNDME for we. The people will build the wall. There's now confirmed evidence that they were talking with members of the trump administration they like meetings with them. There was talk of trying to figure out how to take the funds that they gotten roll it over. There was there was official correspondence that they had with members of the trump campaign and like is or trump team, and as soon as like this thing took off, which would you know it was pretty much immediately make raising millions of dollars. A bunch of other famous rightwing drifters got on board including our old buddy Steve. Bannon Eric Prints was on the the board of the foundation they set up to deal with the money so like Basically when it became clear that. You know. So the initial idea was like we're going to raise money to give to the government so that they can build this wall. Has the Damn libs won't give it to us. Yeah, and that it became clear that like that's not really how the government works like. You just go fund me a border wall that would it number one involved like building on massive amounts of private landlo- all of this shit like you you just it's not a thing. That gets to be done So they changed the focus of it to like we're going to actually build the wall and they they. You know because they were altering sort of the nature of what they're doing. Go Fund. Me Allowed people kind of opt in to continue having their money rollover into the new thing that they were doing most people who donated agreed to do it. There's much shady stuff and like their explanation of what they were doing including the point that like the money will be used either to actually. Construct the wall or to engage in lobbying or whatever that will help to construct the wall. So there's like a bunch of stuff where it's like, oh, so you're going to became very clear like you're going to find ways to put this in the pockets of the very famous right wing people who've all leaped onto this program including Steve Bannon Eric Prints and one of the things they repeatedly stated when this all happened is that Brian Five who is founder and the face of the thing was not going to receive any money. Would not be paid wasn't going to make any a dime off of this. It was just doing it out of the goodness of his heart. And, then. Last week. All of these guys got arrested. Steve Van. Which is the best thing that's ever happened that Steve Bannon has now for more than a week been incarcerated It just it just slaps unbelievably hard the thing with that though like listen to these people aren't prince on that board. Right? He should know better than me. You should know better than anyone that like building like physical infrastructure on like you in the United States is probably a long shot like you have a better chance crowdfunding private air force I feel like then being like, yeah we're just going to build chunks of border wall because you know fucking America. A little disappointed in Eric. You know what I mean like he should. He knows out of anyone if you're gonNA pull them wildly illegal kind of stuff where you're trying to take the place of the government you gotta start you gotta you gotTa be a little more surgical. Yeah I mean. But he doesn't like he's he he's committed so many more blatant crimes. Always gets away with it because he's a billionaire. That said, I don't think he was super involved with us like I was legitimize side piece for him. Yeah. Yeah. But it it is. It is. So it's turned into this amazing story where like again like the fucking Steve Bannon got arrested as a result of this. There's pictures of him now fucking in handcuffs. And it's it's one of the best things that's ever happened and it was the best thing about it is that it was like the postal services. Investigative Unit is the first federal law enforcement agency. We all learned when they arrested Steve Bannon. Damn. So I guess I guess I'll say maybe not all cops are bad. We've got like I'm willing to make an exception for the post office cops given what happened recently exactly and then like we said like everyone with the post office under fire like if we're gonNA back, the blue is going to be the postal service. Yeah. It's GonNa be the these are the ones I'm I'm I'm I'm one hundred percent supportive of arresting Steve Bannon on a yacht. Cut To some like wild clip of like postal play postal brutality and you're like what? The even y'all that you were the male cops. No they actually committed genocide against all these different trades like oh boy. I've never heard that the post office committed genocide but like let's be honest, it wouldn't be the most surprising thing in American history but that I, let's not make random allegations of genocide against the postal service. Yeah let's we've got the charging document, which is the. It's basically like a podcast episode written by a United States district. Court. In this case, the southern district of New, York to summarize the government's case against all of the crime doers spiked the we the people will build the wall. and I'm just GONNA start reading it to you. Miles will skim some parts of it when it gets boring but like I say. I'm just GonNa read the fucking. I'm just GONNA set of a bitch. I'm like 'cause I love. Sometimes you know whether these cases especially in the trump era where just the like legal description of your like these. Amazing. How did they think any of this was going to work or they weren't going to get caught I mean the thing that's more amazing to me is that they did get caught like clearly whatever else is going on in the World Steve. Bannon and Brian Cole Five did not have the the the the cloud they thought they had. Because they they thought they had the clout that Roger Stone has where he can commit blatant crimes and we will get forgiven for it or will. They'll be too scared of us to go after us and it just wasn't true for them and I don't know why entirely. But it's beautiful. Yeah. Maybe it was that it was too blatant. Maybe it was that you know they didn't kissed the right assets. I don't know what the the explanation is, but let's get into it. The grand jury charges one Brian Co five Stephen Bannon. Andrew Battle Addo and Timothy Shay the defendants and others orchestrated a scheme to defraud hundreds of thousands of donors including donors in the southern district in New York in connection with an online crowdfunding campaign ultimately known as we build the wall the raised more than twenty five million dollars to build a wall along the southern border of the United States. To induce donors to donate to the campaign collage Bannon, each of whom as detailed here in exerted significant -Tro- control over we build the wall repeatedly and falsely assured the public that FIS would quote not take a penny salary or compensation. In that quote one, hundred percent of the funds raised will be used in the execution of our mission and purpose because bannon publicly stated, we are a volunteer organization. These representations where false In Truth Brian Co five Stephen Bannon Andrew battle in Timothy Shade. The defendants collectively received hundreds of thousands of dollars in donor funds from we build the wall, which they each used in a manner inconsistent with the organizations public representations in particular cafod covertly took more than three hundred, fifty, thousand dollars in funds that had been donated to we build the wall for his personal use. Well, Bannon through a nonprofit organization under his control nonprofit one received over a million dollars from we build the wall which banned in us to among other things secretly pay five into cover hundreds of thousands of dollars in Bannon's personal expenses. Dude. Nonprofit Oh that was just in the charging documents. Yeah. I thought of, which makes sense because it's a legal document I was hoping that Steve Bannon is like such a lazy schemer that he's like a fuck. I gotTa put a nonprofit together to fucking a move money around call it fucking nonprofit one. It's like my idea. I've always wanted to create an LLC for a variety of reasons right and call it unlimited liability because there's something that enjoys the idea of unlimited liability, a limited liability corporation. Fun Limited Liability To conceal the payments to co Fai from, we build the wall cafod bannon but a lot of shade. Theme to route these payments from we build the wall to co Flash indirectly through a nonprofit and a Shell Company under Shays control among other avenues they did so by using fake invoices in Sham vinderot arrangements among other ways to ensure as noted in a text message to battle auto that his pay arrangement remained confidential and kept on a need to know basis. So again, committing crimes and text in about it. Yeah. What a hallmark of of this group of people just like you. Get this, we make our own receipts here I have I know so many people bet like because of the protests like won't text message about the shield materials that they're like gatherings the people can build like defensive devices to protect themselves from impact weapons like they're paranoid about like gathering fucking like rubber and foam inserts and stuff. And these guys are just like, yeah to go steal a million dollars. Like here's what you write and also use this fake vendor like us. We set up to illegally funnel money through to do this illegal thing that we're all doing together. You guys all down for the illegal crimes that were committing, right? It's so easy to be a conservative. We are defrauding the American people with our build a wall scheme. Please please use the tap back in your messages APP in your iphone to confirm your that you were culpable I know people who live in paranoia because they're getting followed as a result of of bringing water every night to Ethel demonstrations. This this shit. Nonsense fucking hell. On around December Seventeenth Two Thousand Eighteen Bryan College the defendant with the assistance of others launched a fundraising campaign originally called we the people build the wall on a crowd funding website the crowd funding website zealots referred to in the document. It's go fund me according to statements on the web page for we the people build the wall on the crowd funding. Website Click. A very funny just looks very silly and. You can't say that without laughing. Yeah. crowdfunding website the crowd like come on guys like often. Like what a fucking movie uses some sort of fake Google thing, right? Or whatever it's like come on we know it's Google, the campaign was raising funds to donate to the United States Federal Government for construction of a wall at the southern border of the United States. The web page also stated that one hundred percents of your donations begin to the government for the construction of a wall, and that if the campaign could not attain its goal, it would refund every single penny. The we the people build. The Wall campaign was an immediate fundraising success within the first week Bryan College the defendant with the assistance of Timothy. Shay. Defendant raised approximately seventeen million dollars despite its early success. The campaign also drew scrutiny including questions. Background and the campaigns plan to give the money raised to the federal government based on those concerns around December two, thousand, eighteen, go fund me which they. Fund website suspended the campaign, which by that point had raised more than twenty million dollars in Warren Brian. The defendant that unless he identified a legitimate nonprofit organization into which these funds could be transferred, the crowd funding website would return the funds at around the same time. Brian Cole Flash The defendant involves Stephen Bannon Andrew Bat a lot of the defendants in the leadership of the campaign Bannon a political strategist and former media executive and bat a Lotta, an entrepreneur and venture capitalist. We're already working together on nonprofit one which was a separate section five. Oh, one C. Four organization founded by Bannon with the stated purpose of promoting economic nationalism in American. Sovereignty Fascists. We go. Fascism. Nationalism that's very. And he uses his fun fancy, fascist nonprofit to funnel donations into illegally, which is just very on brand. Within days of becoming involved Stephen Bannon and Andrew Bat allow the defendants stick significant control of the fundraising campaigns organization in day to day activities. So basically they took they immediately took control of we. The people will build the wall and by late December two, thousand, eighteen they were basically in charge in the created a new five. Oh, one C. Four called we build the wall ink and they propose that the money would be transferred. There in the nonprofit we build the Wall Inc. Yeah. A nonprofit to build to to finance private construction of a wall along the southern border. So yeah, and gave a bunch of assurances to go fund. Me that like this was all legitimate in the money would all go to act like to this to this new five. Oh, one, C. Four they'd founded in order to induce. Go Fund me to release the donor funds these insurances include I'm quoting again, these assurances included among other things written bylaws with conflict of interest provision in compensation restrictions, precluding insiders like fi among others from inappropriately misusing donor funds in a promise that. We'll take no salary and will personally not take a penny of compensation from these donations. Bannon and bottle auto also agreed that donors would have to opt in to having their contribution redirected from the crowd funding website to build the wall. So they they hung themselves here they like they. They made a legal document promising that in no way would among other things co FIS, get any money from this because it was the only way to get the money. Just assumed, it would be fine because so many other crimes that these people in their friends committed we're fine. It's just like like how scumbag men think to like. It's like well, what do I gotta say to have sex and after I mean it but I'm so just shortsighted about my own gratification I will deceive in lie just to get there without any thinking of like where that goes after the fact and I just loved it like this scam is so fucking American in that like your weaponising like the fear of black and Brown people to then enrich yourself, and like really you could give a fuck about any of it aside from purely like Oh this is great is a great group of. Just dummies just rents. Yeah. It's it's evidence avoid those of us who are vaguely aware of like objective reality have known for a long time, which is that like almost none of these fascists with the exception of really like Stephen Miller and a couple others almost none of them believe in what they're saying it's just the best way to get what they want, which is money and power like if these guys if their primary concern was illegal immigration, they would've tried to you. They would've used this money to in some way fuck over migrants, right? At, whether or not, it was the wall. That's what they would have done with this huge amount of money and they would've gotten nothing but praise from the donors even if it wasn't a wall unit with some other way of hurting these people but they didn't even really care about hurting those people they just wanted to steal and it's awesome it so good that in this one rare instance they faced consequences. Yeah. I mean you hate to see it and you love to see. Yeah you know it's it how it's so good. It's so Daesh is- but again I duNno, whatever every time like even when whenever we come on this show. We're I'm always like Tam the audacity of these folks. That really is the true DNA of a true historical pieces shit bastard is you really you have your just all about yourself and there's absolutely zero consideration for anything aside for your own executives, your very own personal lived experience. Yeah, and it works for them usually because it's an effective strategy in winning in our system is to give a shit about yourself and be like sociopathic dedicated to nothing but your own enrichment, right like that works in. Ways except for occasionally, you get arrested on a yacht by the post office. was going to be like no way I. Wonder if you're pissed, you're like fuck it's gotta be at least like the feds or something like the feds. It's the post on you did you have to wear that hat to like? Hope they did I. Hope they're they're exactly the same as normal swat team but the hats. And not even attack year they don't even have weapons. They're just like very coordinated group of mail carriers that are like we're if we can do this without I, wouldn't fuck with a group of mail delivery well, since I mean essentially the. That work for the Postal Service to Mike you're actually dealing with people with some experience in the military as well. So yeah. So. Man. Beginning in January two, thousand, nineteen, the defendants caused we build the wall to mislead donors promising them. That one hundred percent of the funds would be used for construction of a wall and. In particular would take no salary or compensation and obviously. To this, they were immediately misappropriating hundreds of thousands of dollars in funds for their own benefit beginning on around January eleventh two, thousand, nineteen, and consistent with the insurance is provided to the crowd funding website. We build the wall announced that it had changed its mission to the private construction of a wall and that donors needed to opt in Yeah in and that worked out. And it seemed like you know the document is alleging that this worked because of their promise that one hundred percent of the funds raised would be used towards the construction of a wall and that not a penny would be used to compensate. They repeatedly made these prepar like they're stating basically over and over again, they couldn't stop making these promises and they're making these promises is why so many people willing to donate the money? And it's why it's so easy for us to prove that they repeatedly broke broke the law and yeah, I'm sure like their comments of the trump family helped do because I remember like Don John was like look at look at this man. Mike this is an example of American enterprise or some shit and the whole a hero. Yeah he's GonNa they're they're doing it better faster cheaper than anything else like, yeah. Definitely cheaper and Shit and anything else if I had to choose between the government spending hundreds of millions of dollars on incomplete sections of wall that are easily breached or. Dollars on nothing I would I will choose the nothing also because I prefer there, not be any wall on the southern border. and in fact, if we could spend twenty, five, million dollars a year and have it go to rightwing drifters and have an open border on the south, I would I would make that compromise. That's that's a that's something I'm willing to to get on board with Ray read like did you take your money and fuck off just take your money stop fucking with these people also just you know we just printed a bunch of that shit we don't know what how much it's really worth. Yeah. So co-founders posted messages on social media that include representations such as we promised one hundred percent of the funds raised only go to border wall construction. All money donated to build the wall goes directly to wall to wall not anyone's pocket. I'm taking nothing zero in fact went so far as to send mass emails to his donors, asking the purchase coffee from his unrelated business telling donors that the coffee company was the only way he keeps his family fed in a roof over their head because gophers was taking no compensation from we build the wall couldn't stop dipping like none of them have any sort of self control they can't a fucking double-dip. It's A that. Again. Even when you add the layers of just balls to this, where you're like I'm fucking stealing from you and then I'm also going to have my Shitty, Coffee Company and. Bilk you for more cash from there. My Hat's off to him. Hey Robert Stereo. You know who doesn't sponsor this show that should he coffee company but you know who does sponsor the show Oh the good people raytheon yeah. Yes. Raytheon Mile you know what's better than a border wall for stopping migrants from crossing the border. Oh. Yeah. Predator drones. 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Like all of this seems to be resting on the fact that Brian coal-fired specifically got money from this and then of they just no one thought anyone would notice anything I i. it's I can't get my head around it because you think because they were just sort of being like if we hide behind this person whose body was mangled in war. And that will sort of get like sort of give him this position where you wouldn't dare question their patriotism like in that like they were also sort of like getting really hyped up on that idea to for like the whole sort of Griffin. It'll yeah I think they figured that like they could that nobody on the right and nobody in the trump administration would ever allow anything bad to happen Nicole five because he's The but like and it's the same I don't know. We'll see how this situation in Kenosha with the mass shooter goes. But like the trump campaign's initial thing was to be like, oh, he's not affiliated with us. In any way we support with law enforcement did interesting charging him with murder You know we'll see because obviously there's folks in the right that will adopt that kid as a mascot I don't know the trump. Actually speaking at the RNC. I don't actually know like. Wind up doing about this. But like the initial thing they did was what their actual initial reaction is, which is, Oh, this person's a liability. Let's jettison them immediately. Maybe they'll decide against it but like that's what they've done with coal fires like they haven't they haven't made any sort of a stink about the arrest of. Band and they've just been like, Yep, the shouldn't fucked up and broken the law we support law enforcement. Give a shit about you, right. There their hearts must be breaking right now. Yeah. It's like what the Fuck Steve You said it'd be fine. So let's go onto just fucking blatantness says. So the document continues to note in developing their strategy of emphasizing to donors that co would not be paid a dime ban and embattled lotto in a text message exchanged discussed how that message would help drive fundraising and options by prior donors because it would. As, a lot of stated become the most talked about media narrative ever since it removes all self interest paint and gives Brian goal five sainthood. For that reason, a lot of insisted that the statement that CAFA will not take a penny of compensation be included in the email to we build the walls donors about the opt in process explaining in an e mail that his statement was a material item to donors. Again let us all state clearly in text messages. How like that? We are committing a crime that we are making legally binding promises that we intend to break. Let's just all talk about that. Very clear. As No, like don't even have Vanessa voice messages back and forth some kind of temporary transmission whatever just just cement. It's all there I mean they made it really easy for the postal investigative service. What are they technically called U.? S.. P.. I S. or something. Yeah. Something like that Okay Yeah Shadow. The Stops the only cops that I'm supportive of until somebody tells me the horrible things that they've done. Shirt and they will have another episode and. All I know is that they arrest fascists on yachts. For All of your listeners stop can you stop predicting things hanging to choose for a moment to believe that there's a law enforcement agency who? who just arrests yacht fascists? I want to believe in something and I'm choosing to believe in this for the moment. I mean chill dot. Horrible things about everything and then happening like all of us would be like super appreciative if you could predict something. Good. Yeah minute predict that the only other thing the post office cops do is arrest people who illegally male kittens. They're just out there protecting kittens and arresting fascists. I've decided to believe this. Okay. Making like some of the best like sort of small batch artisanal ice cream you've ever tasted yeah. They make ice cream for some reason to and it's it's apparently great. Awesome. Yeah that's a that's a world I one. So, moreover, the thing goes on to note the defendants conveyed that others in the leadership we will on its advisory board, which bannon shared would not be compensated for example. On social media I thought it was pretty clear. I made a promise that I would never take a penny. A one hundred percent of fundraising donations will only go towards the wall. One hundred percent means a hundred percent right board won't see any of that money. So they just kept promising what that. They were going to do was yeah. Yeah. Cut to their texture like hundred percent means fucking maybe five per cent. See as much of that money as they want. All right. So what we tell them about this next parts heartbreaking. So this goes into like how many of the donors believed what he was saying donors took notice of this coronary of and told Brian as the defendant and others working for we build the wall that it matter to them. Some of those donors were directly to call five that they did not have a lot of money and we're skeptical about online fundraising campaigns but they were giving what they could because they trusted coal-fired would keep his word about how their donations would be spent. Also wrote to prospective donors who raised concerns is sharing the donors and private messages that he was not being compensated. These false assurances successfully induce donors to give money to. We will the wall and opt in to have their prior donations transferred to we built the walls new nonprofit entity of the original twenty, million raised from hundreds of thousands of donors, most of the donors agreed to opt in so. That I didn't realize. But the fact that they even have that like, no, no individual donors who didn't have much money personally reached out to Brian with their concerns and he lied to these people to their phases is. So. Sweet. So, perfect. Yeah. So I mean. So trump university to you know or people like you know they're they're last shot at. Dialysis money, and in this case like I want to brutalize the Brown people don't go slipping. Out. Yeah I know but it's just so funny that even then right there. So committed to this like you know fear of a black and Brown America that they're just sort of like you know. Giving their last material like Beta like wealth they have to this stupid move. Of, racism. Yup. Yup Yup Yup Yup. Yup and one of those things like. The people I like people ask why I don't do more crowdfunding stuff and it is because like when you do crowdfunding stuff, you get donations from people who will make statements like that like, Hey, I believe in what you're doing I don't know much money but I feel like I felt like a piece of shit every time that's happened. So I would rather take I would rather be paid by advertisers than than yes someone give me like. Yeah I, don't I just don't Wanna I don't WanNa. fucking conscience I don't WanNa like. Now, I'm spending the money you know on. GRUB tonight or whatever or like Iraq. Oh this was like I. Want To. Of course, you just know I'll I I will I will sell products and services you'll yeah exactly and that's like that's my line I'm not saying it's immoral to crowdfunding. It's fine a lot of my friends make their living that way it just like fucked me up. and. I'll probably do something like it again But again, repeatedly beg people please don't donate money. If you don't have money, it's not important to my rich friends only. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Okay so Despite these repeated assurances. Okay. So this is yet despite these repeated assurances, the public narrative career deliberately crafted by the defendants and others was false. In fact, although we built the wall spent money on the construction of a border wall hundreds of thousands of dollars were siphoned out if we build the wall, the private use and benefit of the defendants indeed despite Shas numerous public statements that he was not taking a salary or getting a penny in compensation within days of launching, we build the wall cafod working primarily with Bannon and that a lot of reached a secret agreement whereby co Fox should be covertly paid one hundred, thousand dollars up front, and then twenty thousand dollars a month. Because, that arrangement was directly contrary to the defendants repeated. Representations the defendants and other scheme to pass these payments to ticklish indirectly through third parties, including entities under the control of Bannon and Shea So yeah, they the this stuff that we you know we talked about banning made it clear in a text message to battle that there'd be no deals don't approve and director that be paid indirectly through nonprofit one in an attempt to conceal the payments from the public notwithstanding the fact that didn't work for a nonprofit one and that the payments from nonprofit one to. Be. Funded. By Bill We. Build the wall So yeah. there's text messages between Bannon battle. Lotto talking about what co- flashes salary would be He bannon directs the wiring of money illegally from the campaign to this. Yeah. They've got bannon dead to fucking rights. It sounds. Like he's very, he's discussing hearer. The crimes will commit these crimes because we like we have to keep these crimes secret because they were legal. Here's how I'm going to do that, and then we have him personally like doing the wire payments. That's amazing. Right Oh God. This next part winco fires later noted in the text message to battle that at least in part as a result of these pass through payments we build the wall would have to disclose substantial payments. went tax battle. Lot of replied better. You Than Me L. O. L.. L.. Stupid Pieces Shit Yeah lawfully. Officially, I don't know like what did you just hold sentence I mean wow at every turn like you had to be like wink wink like it almost could have been that you know what I mean seal the Payments Cofidis received from nonprofit one co founded instructed battle of that the payments should be made your spouse and that nonprofit one significant and nonprofit one subsequently issued a form ten, ninety nine falsely stating that it had paid co-founders spouse for media so. Well. Hey you know what we should do is falsified some government documents. I paid you for Media Okay now, if they ask what happened was you held some photos of me for instagram. Incredible. Like there was a lot of like those like fake ass vendors was always vague right like media like social media or some shit yeah for media. Can assholes? Thereafter beginning in around April two thousand and nineteen, and to further conceal payments. If we build the wall funds to Brian Kofi, the defendant has secret monthly salary. Approximately twenty thousand dollars was passed indirectly through the third party entities that were purported to be vendors for we build the wall including one under the control of Timothy Shay the defendant starting in around March two, thousand, Nineteen Shea who had been involved in early operations for the predecessor campaign to we build the wall and was familiar with its repeated promises proposed in his text message exchange with. Paying Caucasian himself out of a veiled Shell Corporation to conceal the source and nature of the payments. Shea suggested that conceal transactions where for instrument instance six, hundred, thousand dollars comes in and he transfers three hundred catechal five they could create companies that hired Co Fashion Shave who service consulting to further conceal the secret arrangement co Flash told SHEA in an e mail that they could false describe the payments from the new shell entity five as for Social Media Love it love it. It's this I mean because yeah. Those forms it just really feels like when you're like being lazy and trying to your taxes anyway I don't yeah that business Internet social media sure and it's just my salary Yup. It's it's the best. That's when. Like at one point two right didn't they like? Kinda. Wise up that like they were kind of being sloppy with it because I feel like I remember at the beginning of. That yeah. Okay. Here we go. Yeah. The memo lines on these payments again on around may twenty first has nineteen show company one received a thirty thousand dollars wire from rebuild the Rawal Then it got you know paid twenty, thousand five the lines on these payments falsely stated that they were for social media accounts and pages when neither Corfman nor anyone else had done such where have them at least do fake Word Lake. Make on the fucking Donald Trump sub ready to fucking memes, ship posts or some yeah moreover, additional twenty thousand dollar payments for medical five and fund with money from we build the wall the these payments were made in subsequent months until at least October, two, thousand nineteen win discussed below the defendants learned that they might be under criminal. God that's good. they must have been dude. I can only imagine how much Steve Bannon stress sweat was distinct whatever roomie was. Win It. One hundred percent. Yeah, I hope there were respirators leftover from the fighting in Portland for those post office guys like deal with that toward that stink. Bad Stink, at all donate mine. Honestly. Like we would sort of confiscate this and maybe auction. Yeah. We're GONNA have to scuttle this thing where you're going GONNA have to burn this thing in the C-. Grief Artificial. Reef coral wildly shoot it into get get Elon Musk in here and shoot it into space like that car office like. We can't. We can't put this in the ocean it's been. Oh Gosh. So yeah what kind of measures did they take when they're like Oh guys I think we might be doing something bad that the police are noticing. Yeah. Let's get down to. So from from the start of the creation of we build the wall in January to October two thousand and Nineteen Brian received more than three hundred and fifty thousand dollars donor funds past indirectly with the assistance of the other defendants coffers used those funds to pay for his own private expenses including among other purposes, home renovations, payments towards the boat, a luxury X., UV cart, jewelry, medic surgery, personal tax payments, and credit card debt. Cosmetic. Surgery. He did problem I mean he has he's horribly injured like I might not even be a vanity thing might be like a Oh, like an actual medical procedure for his yeah he's horribly horribly I'm not gonNa like like he's committed crimes to get the money but like I don't even know, I, don't know that it was like a vanity thing. He summit coming up with like a new like beautiful full lips and no wrinkles on his I don't see evidence of that. It's. Related to his Andrew unless. We really look and it's like Oh. Oh no no somebody. Acid they're really I mean, do you know the guy committed some crimes but like God. Damn. They he's double triple thick. Now whoever's doing his work? You know they knew what they were doing. So Moreover, in addition to Brian coal-fired the defendant Steve Bannon Andrew Battle Auto and Timothy Shay the defendants, each received hundreds of thousands of dollars in donor funds from we build the wall with the each us to pay for a variety of personal expenses including among other things, travel hotels, consumer goods, and personal credit card debts in addition to the payments described above Dako- fish. With respect abandoned in particular as noted above nonprofit one received over a million dollars from we build the wall, and while some of that money was used to pay cash bannon was used a substantial portion of those donor funds for personal uses and expenses unrelated we build the wall None of these payments were disclosed to the public instead the repeatedly lied to the public about where the money was going. Indeed it's gophers noted the battle lot owned a text message exchange as far as the public knows and no one is getting paid end salaries will never be disclosed. We'll crime through it oriented. These victims will have no idea of how hard or crime imbros. Watching us the. Post. Office. COPS. Dick. encrypted. Messaging, APPs do like that. One of the things like they thought they were getting real smart even though they did all this other shit that could. You know it actually does just as text messages, but maybe I you'd you'd have to say right like I would say you'd have to think they would at least be careful enough to use like a signal or something like they're so blatant about this, right? fucking texting I. Don't know because when you consider like Paul Manafort was like, how do you make pdf of my bank account like Come on don't know Shit. Just googling and crimes. POPs up with a question mark. HOW DO FAKE BANK ACCOUNT PD? Way. Also. It's time for NAB break. Just thought yeah. You know what also won't doesn't you know it isn't a crime. Products and services. 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Imagine like a Little Song that comes on after that. Yeah, it has a sound like a really terrible local business add like you're not going to get a good jingle out of that now. So inner around October two, thousand, nineteen, Brian Koch Stephen. Bannon Andrew bought a lot of the other defendants all learned from a financial institution that we build. The Wall might be under Federal Criminal Investigation. The defendants thereafter took additional steps to conceal the fraudulent scheme detailed below for example, around that time and in really reaction to the potential investigation a Caucasian battle began using encrypted messaging APPs on there. So that's when they started. Tober all year like guys how're the crimes were? Still Crime and all right good good crimes everybody keep crying hard a baby under investigation. Crime out with your time out lifetime like the spice bill that's as good as I could come up with. Yeah. Again, the stress sweat you know amazing. That's so clear. Right? You find out your under investigation and then you missed your encrypted messenger and as soon as they find out, we build the walls website was changed to remove any mention of the promise that Cofidis was not being compensated and add a statement that he would be paid a salary starting January twenty twenty. Yeah because. They stopped paying him secret payments announced he was about to start getting a salary after promising the opposite for months. A year and just hope that that would be okay. Maybe just. You hate to sit also love to see it. It's so good. It's just one of the best things that's ever happened. Yeah. I I. I remember very happy about all this like when it happened wasn't didn't wasn't that like a news headline when they he announced he was getting a salary and that's when people are like hold of fuck on because I ever like this sort of public perceptions like fucking wall you're building is not there and it was like a scheme and then it's like, okay that guy's GonNa get like one hundred grand a what the fuck now let you ever wears the fuck and wall. Yeah. It's blowing over in the fucking wind or whatever. It's amazing I. Wonder. I wonder what they thought would happen with this 'cause they weren't building a wall. They did like a couple of sampled chunks but like they never did anything meaningful and they're promise was that like we'll do it faster and cheaper than the governments will be able to actually afford to do it and they. Were they just got to like. Pretend failed though they had like one certain spots bill and then like every engineer and like hydrologist was like this is GonNa fucking just fall apart you know. You didn't build. It's not even built the right depth like none of this is done correctly. So I wonder if you know like I'm trying to really put myself in that Schemer like, okay I'm into deep. How am I going to get my way out of it? I would probably be gin some like Nimby argument about how like these regulations are stopping us while I'm slowly building some kind of like escape pod to leave some country without an extradition treaty yeah I do I do like people have compared this to the famous monorail episode of the Simpsons and you kind of feel like their plan was just a cartoon drawing of themselves flying to Acapulco with a bag of cash. Is there a chance though Walcott, bend. My friend. I think the should be. Able to the Kars for kids song, it should be. Good. While for big, it's. Amazing. So let's get down to the good ship forfeiture alloway. Odd everything up until this point has been bizarro comedy of errors few pages because it was all just like repeatedly restating in different ways they wire fly fraud, right? which they did as a result of committing the offence alleged in count. One of this indictment Broncos, Stephen Bannon Andrew Battle Lotto Timothy Shay the defendant shall forfeit to the United States pursuant to title Eighteen United States code section that ETA any and all property real and personal that constitutes or is derived from proceeds traceable to the commission of events including but not limited to a sum of money in the United States currency representing the amount of proceeds traceable to the Commission of set offense and the following specific property So then lists a bunch of different funds contained and wow, there's a lot of bank accounts they put this money into God. I'm on page two. Okay. So like there's like two pages of different bank accounts, they threw money into and then we get into property. So number one, the real property is described as a two thousand nineteen Jupiter Marine boat named warfighter the real property. Yeah, I. think that's the that that. Five got as a result of committing the offence legend count indictment, the defendant show forfeit to the United States any and all property Yadda Yadda. So yeah, give all the fucking shit that they got. warfighter they committed he loses his boat warfighter I mean that's that's good. Looking boat it is it had four engines yet. The irony was like he was sailing in that thing in the fourth of July, like trump Bo parade and Florence or was he share was and then he got arrested by the fucking post office and they're going to take that boat and it's very funny. There is something poetic about him in a boat like just. Decked out and trump flags the boat being purchased with funds he gripped it's like, Whoa, they've he fully completes the visual circle in that moment. It's so much better than I ever thought anything could be I. I've gotten a lot of credit over the last year or so in particular in in predicting a bunch of things and I can tell you honestly never in my life that I expect post office arrestees Bannon on a yacht would be. would be that's not on anyone's twenty twenty being over nobody called US especially not Steve Bannon I guess post office might have predicted it. Yeah one hundred percent Oh. Yeah. I so bad. There are so many like just dark messy dimensions about this entire administration. But like this sort of falls into like wolf of Wall Street territory where you just like watch these guys get over their heads with their greed and then I want like second act in third act is price. So great when he starts seeing a fall apart because. I would love to see a dramatic dramatic version of these fucking losers just panicking over the fact that their entire shit has just been exposed and then like all these terrible superficial band aid fixes to it. Yeah. I. And I WANNA stay I was wrong a little bit earlier co five was was was released within hours of being arrested. He's on bond at the moment he's pled not guilty and Bannon was released not long on after he was arrested a on five million dollars. Bond travel is restricted to New York and Washington DC, and he can't use private blue jets without permission. So, we'll see we'll see what actually happens here. In terms of justice they got arrested. It seems like a pretty open and shut case to be honest what? Repeatedly bragging about it and as a rule when the Fed went, any kind of federal agency does something like this they feel like they have a pretty airtight case Oh. Yeah and I mean when you but again, it's like it's so comedic because the confessions are all they're like they're I don't know how what lawyers argue that they're not guilty like how are you going to explain the better you than me ll tags? Like how? They've got some sort of like whatever they'll try. They'll try but I'm just saying it makes me cringe because you're going in there with such like an intellectually bankrupt defense and I get stressed on like Oh man you're not gonna like you know sometimes you can get your way I worm your way out of shape but. The little tough I think if any damn it's it's in the sentencing that we really see the lack of justice because I think what they're looking at like twenty years for each charge essentially. But really. Yeah I'll. Be surprised if it's like you know two years, they're going to get the aunt becky treatment? Oh. Two seconds. I doubt it will be a crazy amount of time. You know everyone seems to hate Steve Bannon. And he committed a bunch of crimes and he has no more friends. Yes. So You know if Steve Bannon gets anything more than a year, I'm going to consider this a big win because then Steve Bannon is in a fucking prison for a while and I hate him. And he sucks, and it would be awesome if he actually faced the consequence for one of the terrible things easy. No Friends Bannon. Bingo Card for twenty twenty? Justice for Bannon I never thought I thought he was just GonNa live ashes castle that he was buying A. with an army of brainwashed militants for decades dying of cirrhosis. That he gonNA sit like in a chair just slowly decompose and. Looks like. I I. mean. I. I just assumed he was going to die the death of a successful fascist, which is again in a castle in Italy. Yeah but. Maybe. He'll go to prison and reform himself and. Become the the new face of the Green Movement I. Don't think. It would be kind of funny. You know thoughts and prayers. And prayers to Stephen Brian and these other. More friends so miles. This was fun. Can people find on the Internet. If they wanna, see things that you've done that aren't spending a. Charge document really I do a daily podcast daily Zeitgeist but really do you need if you need an escape? Check my show, our Sophie Alexandra Four Twenty Day. Fiance you know the the bastard, the bastard pods followers love Sophia Loren get together, get just stony. Baloney and just talk about our favorite reality show because you know that's that's a real escape sometime. So check that out wherever you get your podcasts. Oh Yeah and we do this thing now where I do a terrible Arnold Schwarzenegger impression. And then I say Arnold Schwarzenegger's a guest and then pod the a podcast APP will tag Arnold Schwarzenegger as a guest on the show. So if you're Arnold Schwarzenegger fan come by love to hear it, you do love to hear it and the other thing you love to do is commit wire fraud which I have on good authority never ends badly. So my advice to listeners is to go. Fraud fraud some wires you're on fraud the hell out it up. Yeah find some wires fraud, the sons of bitches. Get it. On. You know or you could follow Robert on twitter at I right? Okay. Ka Falls on twitter and Instagram at bastards pod leave a t public store with lots of different merchandise. And Wash your hands and wear face facemask. Yeah. Wash your hands. We're a face mask commit a lot of wire fraud just. I can't exaggerate how good idea it is to commit wire fraud and texture friends about the wire fraud. You plan it really just get get in there. You know send them letters to about the where they have it on good authority. The Post Office is not watching. So also you have those letters notarized as well. So you can really just make sure all the correspondents is fully locked in and you're not there's no miscommunication. Yeah. Yeah. Be really clear. Make sure whenever you're committing crimes to outline crime that you're committing and your knowledge that it's a crime. That's a double jeopardy if I understand what Joe Double Jeopardy is uh Lawyers, charged yeah. I would I would love to be Steve Bannon I will take that Gig I will I will quit podcasting if they want me to defend a represented legal case. Yeah. I. Would like obviously you know you're GONNA lose. So would you just try some harebrained shit or would you just be I? Mean obviously you gotTa Kinda, work them to. I think I would take the most asset I've ever taken and just see where that leads me. I've never been in a courtroom on LSD but I bet I could defend to people from charges of wire fraud Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Then yeah. When they have to be like and what if this text message? Can you read this one Mr Man I might turn out to be like that guy who pitched a no hitter on ahead fellow. Defending people against charges of blatant wire fraud. Oh. Yes. That is one of the great tales of Doc. Ellis's right. On so much acid pitched hitter I will be the dock LS of fascists committed fraud in a court of law that'll be act three of four of my career. Absolutely. Yeah. Dr. Robert Lost himself those leads years but he and he just kept taken acid and defending Nazis from wire fraud. But in a way he was the Hughes they greatest giver of Justice because every single person got the maximum sentence based off his brain defenses and people to this day don't know why these people agreed to have him defendant. Yes. It really was a baffling choice all around. Yeah. Alright well, the episodes over go the with Jesus taught. Or is he? In. This time of pandemic revolution find yourself frustrated at high levels of. Inequality. At our inability to get basic things done at the persistence of systemic racism you're not alone. I'm very tune day Thurston. Activists and comedian. Our Democratic experiment is at a tipping point the which way tip is up to us. 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Steve Bannon 9-8-19
"Good morning america. This is the cats roundtable john cats batista's here sunday morning lots of things happening in the world china hong uncon- well who is the expert with us this morning steve bannon he was the CEO of the campaign to elect president donald donald trump in the oval office for a while and he got his ears to the ground your morning steve bannon. How are you john. Thanks thanks for having me on the show steve when a mess we got hong kong china. Can you bring us. I understand you've been broadcasting into hong kong to china you. Bring us up to date what's happening. Yeah i work on a we work with a life stream that goes into the basic blast into mainland the china two or three times a week and we do the same for hong kong so i've been very involved there for the last about six and nine months what you see in hong kong is a fight for freedom. Have you had these young people these millennials under thirty years old any up to that really the totalitarian barbarism of of communist party and they're fighting for freedom in nineteen deal in china that was then ratified the united states essentially nineteen ninety two for a split that happened in ninety seven and that was supposed to guarantee for fifty years a system of the rule of law under hong kong was they were used to under the british british and what the chinese communist party has done is trying to take away the freedom and the rule of law for the chinese people these young people in the streets i really created in insurgency surgency and they're standing up to the chinese communist party and i gotta tell you it's only getting more violent today. <hes> dave <hes> the shot tear gas asked shot more rubber bullets in the crowd volley rubber bullets <hes> the chaos and violence is only increasing because of the beat down by the people's liberation army uncut pretending or heidi back of the hong kong. Police didn't a few days ago hong kong agree to <hes> subside their their their problems by by withdrawing that build. I was going to be able to turn over people to the china yeah so support in perspective the extradition bill which was performed about twelve weeks fourteen weeks ago <hes> was a bill that really would have taken away rule of law and allow people hong kong to be extradited in china into mainland china basically be thrown in prison have to have justice by chinese courts which there is no justice. That's what the initial fight was over very quickly. The protests are sending. We have five demands. The most important of those demands was not just removal of extradition tradition bill but have universal suffrage. They really want to be able to elect their officials. The change parties adamant that none of these provisions are going to be agree three two. It was actually a huge move the chinese to move the extradition bill. This is the first time the chinese communist party ever blinked in the face of this kind of upheaval evil in tiananmen square. They never blinked and here. They did blink so they were they. A removes the bill but the young protests that that's not good enough we need the other demands man's met particularly. We need the imposition of the rule of law and we need to be able to vote for our elected officials and so this thing is not <hes> is not. I don't think it's is close to anti-catholic. It's only going to put that aside <hes> president trump and the chinese government lately. I've been looked like they. They're trying to bring it together. Faster is it because of hong kong or does it have a relationship. Well actually have a direct correlation. The president trump has been. I think very smart and i've been one of the strongest advocates and supporters of the hong kong protests that are i think president trump has been very smart to be slightly standoffish offish rubio mcconnell nancy pelosi shurmur others take the lead in condemning this and the reason is he doesn't want to be blamed from what they call the black handed to the CIA and back it is this an uprising of the hong kong people <hes> against the totalitarian regime in beijing and president trump. I think is being smart and not they're not letting the accused beijing of being back at us now what he's done a trade bill is you've. He's really health from it. What's happened the last couple of days we now. I don't know that the chinese have had to fuse one hundred twenty six billion dollars of capital into the system. It's the worst economic numbers they've had. I think twenty twenty five years their academies really hurting but because the president trump standing tall <hes> they're now trying to as people are talking about trying to have to step negotiation. They're flying over here in october. Trump skating shoes pressure from wolfram. Bring this to an end but he he's standing in representing. I think american workers in american manufacturing business saying i'm not back down from this. This is going to be the heavyweight title fight. What else and sunday morning people in the united states are drinking their hot toffee and wondering what's going to happen <hes>. What else would you like to tell them well. I think it's you know many of these. Things are kind of interconnected. You see the situation in great britain britain with <hes> with brexit president trump now fighting wall street and the corporation for local class fighting for manufacturing jobs. You see this upheaval in hongkong. I have this believe it may thailand before too long. What you're seeing people standing up working class people in the united kingdom working class people in the united. It's in an hardcore. People are standing up for their freedom. They wanna be able to have their sovereignty. They want to govern themselves. You know things people look throughout the world. It looks like a wurley caps but i think in in this regard president trump is the stability factor he's been. He's been very adamant very adamant that the system the chinese have put in place that basically the city of london and wall street and global corporations have supported essentially de-industrializing <hes> the west <hes> tonight. Go on like this and so i think because this is playing out i gotta tell you john we're living as folks are drinking their coffee listening to your show. You're living in historic times. They will talk about this one hundred years from now because the the next couple of years. I think it'd be quite a vital and quite important about whether we're gonna live in a world of democracy at frio or live with these totalitarian dictatorships uh-huh. Is anybody in the democratic party trying to second guess the president and speaking to the chinese <hes> whispering whispering in your ear well listen. I think it's very obvious that joe biden joe. Biden has a terrible track. Ruin comes to china joe biden was part of the <hes> was part of the administration that look the other way back in two thousand thirteen two thousand fourteen when the chinese essentially took the south china sea claimed for their own they built islands by was one of the ones it's possible with john kerry for for taking care of this problem essentially blink. I believe that is the munich what because the munich of the twenty first century in addition biden's. We've talked about on your show before biden. Stanley has direct financial <hes> relationships and deep way with the chinese communist party their bank the bank of china but one point five billion dollars private equity son run by buying the son that has never been fully disclosed. They've never talked about what their financial relationship is is is one of the reasons that biden is going to be very weak candidate if he makes it through the democratic primary. I also think it's one of the reasons he started the weekend. Actually <hes> elizabeth warren is starting to get at least on paper starting to get tough on china with the democrats right now in the primary is that they really really don't talk about foreign affairs security. It's like you're running for student council president. I'm gonna have to wake up to the fact that climate change. Maybe a the problem you know long term but right now you have an existential threat kid day by the chinese counterpart. You don't hear a peep the democrats talking about this all the debates. I don't think they've even asked a question about it or the head is just a mere beto. <hes> tamla hers is very weak on china. You're here not stepping up to the central issues of our time which are direct threat to the economic wellbeing and the well being of the american people and i think this is one of the reasons he's the ratings on the on the debates are so low and i don't see any of these people to date being able to stand up against donald trump on a debate stage and convince vinci american people that they should be commander in chief and not donald j trump <hes> last question steve any opinion is is anybody in the justice department or the FBI looking into this <hes> item with the former vice president joe biden's son well. Peter did a book you know. Peter was the one that really brought. Expose the clinton <hes> <hes> the whole clinton mafia. I was chairman of organization station that he was the lead investigator for country hat was really one of the ways we bludgeoned the clintons in two thousand fifteen thousand sixteen about corruption in there but now <hes> in addition to book secret empire that really goes after the biden on their relationship with the chinese communist party in the banking relationship i don't i believe you need to know j. in the FBI to do this. I think the mainstream media needs to do this and must've it must exposure but it's also responsibility the other democratic critic candidates remember bernie sanders was not the nominee in two thousand sixteen john because he wouldn't take on hillary clinton for her corruption about the clinton clinton foundation the clinton global initiative as i said at the time of pillow fight bernese and not a fighter he will not get in there and fight. He's not really calling out in this issue. I think this is gonna be a big issue as it gets is democratic permanent really starts to heat up but one of the democrats. It's their responsibility to expose this to the american people. It's not the FBI. It is not the department of justice. Maybe that happens later but right now. It's gotta be democratic. Candidates has to be their followers and it has to be the mainstream media so far without seeing steve bannon. Thanks for calling into sunday morning and bringing the american people up to date and we hope to catch up with you again wilson john. Thank you so much for having me on the show thank you. This is the catch roundtable. We'll be right back.
Mitigating Loneliness; Former Trump Adviser Steve Bannon Arrested
"We are and WB you are I'm Jeremy Hobson Im Tanya Moseley. It's here and now tonight Joe Biden will officially accept the Democratic nomination for president bringing close the first ever virtual. Democratic. National. Convention last night his running mate Senator Kamala Harris accepted historic nomination of her own. She talked about black women who have shaped history and about her own mother I keep thinking about that twenty five year old woman all of five feet tall. Who gave birth to me at Kaiser Hospital in Oakland? California. On that day, she probably could have never imagined that I would be standing before you now and speaking these words. I accept your nomination for Vice President of the United States of America. We are joined now by Yvette Simpson Democratic Strategist, and Chief Executive of Democracy for America Hi, Yvette. Hi Jeremy How are you doing? Well so an historic moment there that we just heard part of the first black woman ever accepting the nomination to a major party's ticket to be vice president. What did it mean to you for civil? Everything, it meant everything I was so moved I was literally I was on the set while we were covering it and I had chills I thought about all of the young black women, black girls, white women, white girls who are going to see this as for them I think the first time they've been able to see themselves in an office, this high particularly black and brown girls and I could not help but be proud. Of One the way that she presented herself the way she introduced herself she looked very presidential. She seemed very sure. She seemed very comfortable. It was a historic moment and I- anyone who watched that moment and didn't feel deeply emotional I mean I can't imagine. Well we did hear her tell some of her personal story in a way that she really didn't during her presidential campaign talked about having an Indian mother and a Jamaican. Father do you think that that personal story will resonate with voters? That's right. I mean when you think about particularly this moment in history and where we are in in our country, you know the idea that we're talking about immigration. We're talking about race relations know her story is the story that we should be talking about and I think it's one that connects with a lot of people. The idea that you could work your way you know her parents coming here you could work your way is the daughter of immigrants is block woman in America? America's an Indian woman in America and get to this place I mean it means a lot in hope that resonates with people. I. Think it does. We did hear from. President. Obama who spoke before a Comma Harris last night and said that President Trump and Republicans Obama said this can only win if people don't vote either because they can't vote or because they've lost hope listen do not let them take away your power. Do not let them take away your democracy. Make a plan right now for how you are going to get involved and vote. Do it as early as you can and tell your family and friends how Bacon vote to. Do what Americans have done for over two centuries when faced. With even tougher times than this. All those quiet heroes. WHO found the courage to keep Marshall. Keep pushing in the face of hardship. and injustice. event. What did you make of what? President Obama said last night because in addition to saying that he really did go after president trump in a way that he hasn't so far I, think the theme of the Convention and Rightly so is that people need to vote that this is an important election. There are some folks are saying vote like your life depends on it. I think Michelle Obama might have said that on the very first day and he's right with with a tax on the post office folks knowing the voter suppression is going to be an issue particularly in key battleground states very important. I love that he you know he was ushering John Lewis into the room I think when he talked. About our past and the folks who have sacrificed so much rest have this moment and I think what Democrats know is that if people don't show what we lose people show up overwhelmingly, we will win and that really is the difference and I'm glad that they are harping on that and I know that that gives donald trump really upset because I think his strategy is fewer people vote I win more people vote I lose he was clearly watching Obama speak he responded president trump did it on twitter in all caps a This strategy by trump to live tweet the events and to hold events at the same time as the DNC will that work. You know it depends on who he's talking to and I think that's the big question Jeremy that we'll talk about both at the end of this convention and at the end of the RNC who are these two parties talking to Donald, trump is talking to his base. They don't like they don't like Barack Obama. He's staked his claim on being not Barack Obama and so he's really saying, look you know I am the guy you should be paying attention to this guy is the reason I'm here I think he said at one point. He said. Brock Obama had done is John I wouldn't be president. He's throwing red meat to his base but I, think for Middle Middle America vs trying to make a play for independence or reasonable Republicans. I call them I don't think this works. WHO The Democrats? Trying to talk to that is a question. and. That's been kind of a point of contention for me. You know the number of Republicans that are shared the space. The lack of progressive voices at the table makes me believe the Democratic National Convention is as much about recruiting Republicans as it is about recruiting independence's in Democrats, and the question is, are we doing all those things really well, and so we'll ask ourselves at the end of the four days were people's minds change based on these four days that we really get the people that we need to get, and that'll be the essential question I think at the end of the day I'm not sure. That is that Simpson Democratic strategist and Chief Executive of Democracy for American. Of course, Joe Biden will speak tonight at the Convention Yvette Thank you. Thank you, Jeremy. Let's go to northern. California now, where the scope of several big wildfires is growing, it's estimated that nearly eleven thousand lightning strikes triggered the fires earlier this week, and it's a public safety scramble fire crews navigate the challenges of a scorching heat wave and covert nineteen. Joining us now is Kate Wolf a reporter with Kick U. E. D. in San Francisco and Kate give us a sense of where these fires are burning are are they largely on country roads or in urban centers? So Tanya. There are three big complex of fires happening around the bay area here there's a huge massive fire in the North Bay and that's in Napa and Solano counties. There's a large rural fire happening in Santa, Clara County, and there's a more urban fire happening in the South Bay in Santa Cruz and San Mateo counties. You mentioned Napa how close are these new Fires to the other places that experienced the big fires there in recent years. Well, they're fairly close. There's a lot of overlap. There are a lot of people who have had to evacuate from these areas time and time again over the past couple of years, they are lower down than the deadly campfire that happened in paradise but these are still wildfire plagued areas and continually so. It has been extremely hot across the state all week, which is triggered some rolling blackouts. How is this impacting communities efforts? We things have moved so quickly that we actually currently dealing with those blackouts as much people have been good about conserving energy so as to not overwhelm the state's electrical grid, but we will find out more about how communication was or wasn't hampered in the next few days in in the coming weeks Ya and you know I'm just thinking about how Cova nineteen has impacted so much especially the way that firefighters fight fires and the way that people receive notification where they can go if they have to flee their homes, how are officials reaching out to the most vulnerable including the homeless about these fires? That's a great point. In fact, we're seeing impacts where places that would normally be shelters are not being shelters because they're at capacity they're sending people to hotel rooms or they're just simply sending people away. We don't know yet how officials have been contacting people like homeless folks but we do know that there are a lot of vulnerable people who are scrambling for. A place to stay either because they're old and they're worried about getting being exposed to the virus in a communal shelter or because there's just not enough room for them in communal spaces. Yeah. We hurt the governor this week talk about many of the challenges. But what assurances are you hearing that there is enough manpower and equipment and money to fight these fires You know we really aren't getting assurances. We know cal fire is stretched to breaking point with these fires We have requested very early on cal fire requested aid from other states. We've seen an influx of help from southern. California so We're really hoping for more aid and we're waiting to see that aid come through your in the San Francisco Bay Area Kate, and typically when they are wildfires of this size, you can experience smoke and haze hundreds of miles away. What is it like where you are? You know it's starting to get really smoky here and it's It seems like it's only gonNA get smokier to be honest. You can smell the smoke in the air. You can see the he's the light is more orange. It's definitely reminiscent of. September October November's of years past when it's been really bad and the air quality has been unhealthy. It seems like it might reach that level here in maybe today maybe in the coming days. That's Kate Wolf. She is a reporter with K, key and San Francisco Kate thank you so much. Thanks Tanya. Burr. Long before covert nineteen changed. So much of how we interact with each other Dr Murphy the former US surgeon general under President Obama had been on a mission to make us think of loneliness is a public health issue of years ago he framed the condition of loneliness, which can reduce life expectancy as an epidemic in the United States now with. So many of us unable to connect with friends and loved ones and person how can we mitigate loneliness and its consequences Dr Avec me joins us now to help answer this. Welcome. Thanks so much done. It's great to be with you. Yes doctor. So you declared some years ago loneliness as an epidemic and and when you frame it this way, it's not just a fleeting feeling of feeling disconnected but as a public health crisis, can you explain more of what you mean despite my own experiences, my personal experiences with loneliness despite having seen so much of it in the healthcare setting what had not fully understood was that loneliness is associated increased risk of disease, a premature death of dementia depression, anxiety sleep disturbances, and the list goes on and I found that when I. When I talked about loneliness is A. Public Health concern that it struck people unusual. They've been offense as and the job of his surgeon general to talk about tobacco or to talk about obesity or other traditional topics. My response was always when you understand just how profound the health impact of loneliness are. When. You understand in fact, the opposite is well, which is how profound the health benefits of social connection are. Then it's hard not to consider loneliness and social connection and important public health concern I want to ask you in the context of this moment that we're in many people are calling it the new normal I'm just wondering from you Dr. Are We know. these new ways that we're isolated in ways that could impact us healthwise, what are the negative health impacts of sustained loneliness or social distance in the context of the moment that we're in right now because we're experiencing it in ways that we have never had before I, mean typically, we've been able to at least have human connection via work or via school those types of things. I think if we do nothing differently in our lives, if we allow this pandemic to just further separate us more and more, my worry is that we will bring upon ourselves. Say what I think of his social recession marked by growing loneliness. And a sense of disconnection from others but I think that we can, in fact, make a very different choice. We can choose pat out of social recession but if social revival and can use this moment to ask ourselves where we want people to fall in our priority lists, use this as a chance to double down on our relationships and our commitment to the people we really care about. And, the reason this matters so much is because for many of us and I would put myself right at the top of the list. There has been a gap between our stated priorities and our live priorities. If you ask any point of the last twenty, thirty years vague what are your priorities in life? We didn't evidently tell you that was people that it was my mother, my father. My sister, and then later years was my wife and my kids. But if I ask myself, how was I actually living my life? What? Priorities were reflected in how I was spending my time attention an energy. The truth was work with my real priority. I A. Song Okay. Yeah. I think. So many of us have that where I mean our stated priorities versus what we live every day really come into focus for sure that's right and and this is you know it's not a unique struggle. It's a struggle with modern world. It's one that we live in a world that has told us in so many ways that we should achieve more that we should strive to make impact that we should build our careers and none of those things are wrong. The question is, where does that fall relative to our priorities around people? Well, your book together, the healing power of connection in a sometimes lonely world came out in the midst of all of this in the midst of the pandemic in quarantine orders, and in it, you actually outline four strategies for people to overcome. This crisis and they're they're pretty prescriptive. Can you can you lay them out for us? There's been a gap in my own life and this pandemic and the whole journey over the last few years of exploring this topic of social connection and loneliness has made me realize there is that gap and so how do we close that gap? Well, we don't have to just wait. Until after the pandemic is over until we can see people in person to start closing that gap, we can actually start strengthening. Our connections right now, and they're few simple ways I lay out in the book a few steps among others that that we can take to do that. So one of them is to to make it a point to spend at least fifteen minutes a day with people we care about that could be on the phone it could be a short video conference call. It could be writing to someone that we care about just to say, Hey, I'm thinking of you and I want you. WanNa know how you're doing. The second thing we can do is we can make it a point to make the time we do spend with people count. We can focus on the quality of time and we can do that by eliminating distraction there distraction bounds because we have phones in our pockets nearly at all times it so easy to pull them out and check our email or social media or to check the news at scores. Last night's game when we're talking to other people and we do this because we think we can multitask the scientists very clear that we don't actually multitask. We rapidly task switching our brain. What that means is that when I'm looking at my Inbox, I'm actually not fully hearing What someone else is saying even if I recall the words. I mean have missed the nuance that tone of their voice, the pause, which may have signaled that they were a little uncomfortable and wanted to talk more about that topic. and. So quality time really matters and if you if you want to know how to stretch time. The way you stretch time with your focus by concentrating on someone else and one last one a couple couple of things I just mentioned is that you can do to strengthen connections is thirty can look for opportunities to serve. So whether you helping a neighbor who may be struggling to get groceries during this pandemic crisis where you're having food delivered to a friend whether you're offering to virtually babysit for ten minutes for a friend who might be struggling to home school their children, and also telework. There are many ways to serve during a time when so many of us are need there's also a fourth one and and that's to embrace solitude, and this seems to be the opposite of building connection What do you mean by this solitude does not have to look the same in everyone's life solitude can just be and it doesn't have to take a lot of time. It's not necessarily a seven day vacation or a seventy retreat away from your family solitude can be a few minutes that we spend sitting on our front porch feeling the breeze against our face can be time with a piece of music. They deeply inspires us. However, we find our solitude and when we approach other people from a place of being more centered and more grounded happens Roy more Abeille, able to listen as opposed to constantly focusing on trying to be who they want us to be in conversation and that enriches our connection. Switching gears just slightly I mentioned that you joined Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and the call for wearing masks, and you were one of the top healthcare advisors to the Biden campaign. What would you like to see centered as we continue to live the realities of this pandemic? You've actually said that you don't believe that even with advancements in vaccines that we won't return to any place of normalcy until. Two, thousand twenty two Is I. Think it's GonNa take a while for things to get back to where they were pre pandemic and even if we do have a vaccine what his worried me is seeing a public polls that show as of late July early, August that third of people are saying that if a vaccine was available today, they wouldn't take it and because people have concerns. baseline there. There's a small a small, very small segment of the population that. Has General concerns about vaccines but more broadly with covy nineteen. There are people who are wondering is this going to be taken through? A safe approval process is it going to be rushed through? Will they be politics involved in approving this vaccine and we absolutely hope that won't be the case in fact, it should be the case it scientists what's guiding like our ability to approve this vaccine and we have to make sure it is effective and safe both are really critical. there's so much to consider there but ultimately when we think about building practices to stay connected and the long haul as we go through all of these changes. What's your takeaway advice? This whole subject Tania of social connection. And Loneliness is really about the quest to build a people centered world that is powered by love and if I look at everything that I have learned over the years about medicine and public health, it has become clear to me that they are a few things more powerful. Than the power of love to help us, he'll to help us. Rebuild and to renew. And so that to me is at the heart of what this is all about. But I also think that this is how. We are built is human beings, and if we can use this pandemic as an opportunity to take stock of our lives and to recommit to building the kind of people centered life than I think there are good things in store for us. It is those connections. Are. Human connections. That are the foundation on which we build everything else. That's Dr Vivek Murthy former US surgeon general under the Obama Administration Adviser to presidential nominee Joe Biden and author of together the healing power of connection and a sometimes lonely world Dr Murphy thank you so much for this conversation. Thank you so much, Tanya, some nice to be with you. Today. Four White House advisor Steve Bannon was arrested and charged with defrauding hundreds of thousands of people who given money to his. Campaign. To build a border wall, Bannon is set to appear before a judge in the southern district of New York. For more we're joined by NPR justice correspondent, Ryan Lucas and Ryan. Bannon people remember was also part of the President's two thousand sixteen campaign. What are authorities saying he and others did with this online crowd funding campaign called we build the wall. Well, we build the wall was, as you said, it was an online fundraising rate online fundraising campaign raised about twenty, five million dollars, and as part of that campaign, they promised that all of the money that donors gave to the campaign would go directly to helping build a wall on the southern border with with Mexico. They repeatedly said this in solicitations other repeatedly said that no salaries would be paid not a penny prosecutors say that ultimately that was not true Steve. Bannon as well as a man by the name of Brian, Cole Fauci, and two other defendants they say defies the scheme to basically secretly siphoned off money to pay themselves. Coal coal-fired prosecutors say received around three, hundred, fifty, thousand dollars money that he used to pay for home renovations payments on a boat luxury SUV golf cart the other three that includes Bannon each also received hundreds of thousands of dollars in funds from donors that were basically siphoned off. All four defendants are facing one count each of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Have Bannon or his attorneys responded to these allegations. There hasn't been any comment yet from bannon or his attorney At this point I will say however that as you mentioned in the in the. Beginning here is that he is expected to be in federal court in Manhattan later today, and so we may hear from him there. We did hear from President Trump who was asked for his reaction to the arrest and said, he feels very badly but knows nothing about the fundraising organization involved Bannon is at least the sixth member of the two thousand sixteen trump campaign to face federal charges after former National Security, adviser Michael Flynn Paul Manafort the former campaign chairman Rick Gates Michael Cohen. Roger Stone what are the political implications here? Well I you know this this just happened earlier this morning, and so I think it's it's difficult to say what the political implications going forward over the course of the next couple of months are going to be but certainly, I would not be surprised to see Democrats. Mention this list of people that you just mentioned who were. Close advisors to the president, all of whom are facing or have face or been convicted on federal charges and it's something that you know. Democrats may point out that the company you keep says a lot about who you are. So it may be something that we see in the campaign going forward. But in terms of short-term political implications in the immediate term, we haven't seen anything yet. Meanwhile for Steve Bannon what is next and what kind of penalty would he face if convicted? Money Laundering and. Fraud charges are big crimes and in in in the federal book both carry. Up to twenty years in prison. If he's convicted, he is unlikely to face that because of a range of factors but these are serious serious crimes and so you know he's going to. We will see whether he'll. He'll fight them But certainly, these are serious allegations that he's that he's facing and the potential repercussions in time in jail could be significant. NPR Justice correspondent Ryan Lucas on the breaking news today that Steve. Bannon. The former White House advisor has been arrested Ryan. Thank you. Thank you. Russian opposition leader Alexia Vanni is reportedly unconscious in a hospital today and there are concerns that he was poisoned. He got sick on a flight in his plane had to make an emergency landing in the Russian city of. Joining us now is the BBC's Sergei Gorriak in Moscow. What is known about? What happened to Vanni? What would we know from now is that Navali is in stable but grave condition he's still in a coma is held in the hospital in the city of Ohm skits the middle of the Siberia and Navan his wife and his supporters came already from Moscow oems but the doctors there don't let them to go inside and to see what happens with Napoleon. Is, he also, we know that Navales supporters. Novalis. Team is going to transfer him in hospital in Europe probably that will be Hanover in Germany to be treating there because they don't believe Russian doctors and they believe more in medicine like broad But now his condition is critical and he's not ready to be transported which is why he's still there in. Now, he is forty four years old. He is a staunch critic of president. Putin, tell us more about who he is while for the last ten years broke Smith Lena has been the main opposition figure in. Russia he's the vocal critic of Putin. He's his thorn in a back. I can say so and he started as an opposition blogger right in about corruption cases among officials or businessmen somehow connected linked with the government they after he. Held a very successful campaign during the elections in two thousand eleven and these campaign against The United Russia party that's the main ruling party in this country. Made this party almost lose the elections in the State Duma. That's the parliament Navan only raised like lots of people to. Come on the streets they were mass rallies like hundreds of thousands of people in Moscow and Saint Petersburg and other cities who were protesting against United Russia the body which Nevada libels as a party of Crooks and thieves after that he tried. To run for mayor of Moscow. And dirt even tried to participate into the presidential election in two, thousand, eighteen. But he was barred from running because or was convicted in embezzlement He denies any wrongdoing. He thinks that these cases criminal case was political. He has a very successful anti corruption foundation which does a big and very A. Very good investigations on different politicians and Putin's France out He even made a very successful investigation on which means that if that's been A. Ex. President. Of Russia and Prime Minister after the that investigation specifically in two thousand seventeen, they will also mass rallies in Moscow. So there are lots of reasons, for Kremlin, not to love Nirvana as you can see. Well, and if indeed he was poisoned, this would not be the first Putin critic to be targeted. There's a long list not at all but what many experts here in Russia's say what I should agree with that such thing as only spoiling by. Either security services either some Putin's men could only happen with Putin's approval and. Now it there is no reason for Putin to try to put navalny in hospital or even to kill him because are no very prominent political campaigns running. No very big elections in Russia actually wouldn't have only was doing. Siberia. He was housing small campaigns for. Local elections in some Siberian cities where his supporters are running for some places in a city parliaments or regional parliaments, which is why still very puzzled about who and why would want Nevada to be poisoned and crime in spokesperson injury Paskov ready told that Kremlin wishes Nevada. Speedy recovery and they also told that they would help if Navales family would want him to be treated abroad. That is the BBC's Sergei Gorriak joining us from Moscow. Circa. Thank you. Thank you Jeremy for having me. Well each week we are looking at different house races across the country as part of our here. Now, district profile series today, it's the twenty first congressional district in Texas where incumbent Republican congressman chip. Roy faces a challenge from former Texas state Senator Wendy Davis David Martin Davies host Texas matters and the source on Texas public radio. He's in San Antonio I David. A Journey. Well, and I remember two years ago when chip Roy I won this seat I was in the district and we. Did a story about this very see tell us a little bit about this district because you're in San Antonio and it stretches all the way up to Austin. Right? This is a district. That covers an area known as the Texas Hill country and it stretches south to San Antonio than up north to Austin and sweeps over left to cover of this area that Johnson city where LBJ hailed from Fredericksburg curve will, and this is a area code traditionally seen as very republican but chip Roy just barely won it last time. He squeaked by with about fifty percent fifty point, three percent of the vote and that was kind of a stunner There was a libertarian into race took away two of vote that may have gone to trip Roy, but still it looked heat up this district as seemed like something that it could flip Lou will representative Roy was asked on CNN last month about the federal response to the pandemic he said the country needed to be able to work through. Viruses without crippling the economy here is how many people are dying from depression, opioid, abuse, lack of cancer screenings. One of my best friends just went in and got a stage three breast cancer diagnosis. She hasn't been getting her screenings why? Because we didn't shutting down elective procedures shutting down people's access to healthcare. This is what we need to do. Explain the truth and not scare them. Tell us a little bit about Congressman Roy's record and how closely aligned with President trump. Congressman Roy has a is part of the Freedom Caucus, a very conservative group of legislators in the house he is voted against the Kovic response packages in he's concerned about what this due to the national deficit and He's basically supports president trump one, hundred percent and he's running this time against Wendy Davis who our listeners may remember a Democrat a former. Texas. State senator she made a lot of headlines for her filibuster in two thousand thirteen against an anti abortion law here is a recent campaign video from her. I'm running for Congress because people's voices are still being silenced I'm running for our children and grandchildren so they can live and love and fight for change themselves. In that video, we see her tying pink sneakers on a young girls feet. We remember Davis Pink sneakers during the Filibuster tell us about her campaign. Windy Davis was a Texas state senator from two thousand, nine to twenty fifteen and in. Fort. Worth. She ran for Governor of Texas in twenty fourteen. She lost a to the now governor Greg when she got thirty eight percent of the vote you know she didn't do well in that race, but she did establish yourself. As someone who would campaign on these particular issues pro reproductive rights, gun control, type issues, and support for lgbtq rights. But she does have a history personal history voting in Republican primaries and donating to Republican candidates including George W. Bush when he ran for. President. And she knew this district because you said, she was in Fort Worth before. Well. You can say both these candidates are are new to the district is chip Royce First Defense of this congressional seat before then he really wasn't from here. So if there's an allegation that one candidate is a carpetbagger would apply to both of them. Interesting is a lot of outside money coming into this race. Oh. Yeah. There's quite a bit of outside money coming into the race this But when you Davis is getting most of it she's been able to raise like four and a half million dollars so far how to about two point six, million that trip weisman able to raise both of them are getting outside money campaigning you know at this as a national race? That's the trip Roy's side of the racist trying to make an issue of that you Davis is an outsider getting outside money trying to pick over this district? Are there any polls yet? Well. The Cook Political Report has this as a toss up. They had moved it from lean. Republican to Tossup It's basically neck and neck. was that race and many others David Martin, Davies, host of Texas matters and the source on Texas? Public Radio Thank you. Thank you. We're seeing just how challenging it is right now to reopen schools during this pandemic and how that is affecting sports. The University of North Carolina has temporarily suspended all athletic activity because of the spread of covert nineteen on the Chapel Hill campus UNC had already moved all of its classes online just a week after opening school to in person classes Mike Pesca is sports analyst for here and now, and he also hosts the daily podcast. The gist at slate dot Com and Mike UNC is is just one school but every college is really struggling with this right now and there doesn't really seem to be any consensus about what to do about college sports. Especially, the big moneymaker football, what are you seeing? Right. So no consensus is a key point because college sports there is an NCAA. But when it comes to big time football it sort of stands apart from the NCAA because the power five conferences these are the five biggest conferences that usually field the national championship they make their own money so they don't need the NCAA. So right now the landscape looks like this of those five conferences and There are one hundred thirty teams playing at the highest levels. So we're just talking about the teams at the five conferences. Two of the huge conferences canceled everything. Now, three remaining conferences and UNC is in one of them. They say they're going to play, but there's no commissioner of those other conferences and in fact, every school has its own say. So it's wonderful if other teams in the ACC say. Head to play but there is an outbreak on the campus of UNC two days ago North Carolina's defined college football as well. We'll do the football part and forget the college part, the college kids, and maybe our football players can learn remotely we'll have practice, but then the outbreak got so severe they said well, at least temporarily suspending our play. So I don't know what it means and if they think they know what it means, there are fooling themselves, they'll have to see the progression of the virus and that's going to come into play and that's going to perhaps a their best intentions. So might just to get clarification to from you about playing not playing aren't there other schools saying that they're going to play home football games with fans actually in the stance. They're trying to you know this is the plan and there have been sporting events with some some fans in the stands all spread out. You would think especially in an outdoor stadium, it shouldn't be impossible. Is it advisable? I don't know and I don't know if it'll be possible. Yeah let's talk a little bit about the NFL. So that season is supposed to start in less than a month has the league or any of the teens made any decisions about whether fans can come to those games? They're going ahead with the Games. Or they're trying to the owner of the cowboys has said we'd like to have fans at the Games right now different states have different decrees. So it seems quite unlikely places like New, York again, this is just whatever the announced plans are here in August when games are to kick off in. September I wouldn't put much credence in what the intentions are of people weeks before we see what's actually going on. So true yes let's talk. A, little bit about the Games that we can watch right now there's plenty of stuff to watch on TV. The playoffs are underway in the NHL in the NBA what's jumping out to you about these games? Well, sportswise those two leagues are doing great. Let's add the WNBA in their new outbreaks may be a model for how to do this and what a bubble means also interestingly in the NBA because all the teams are playing in. The same facility. There really is no homecourt advantage in the playoffs and we've seen the two top seeds in each conference lose their first game. One of them was the LA Lakers which lost to an energized Portland Trailblazers team. But the Lakers made news beyond the court, not just by losing. But all of the team wore red hats that looked like Maga- hats from afar but instead of make America. Great again, the great again was crossed. Out and the message was make America arrest the cops killed Brianna Taylor and that's what Lebron James wanted to talk about and that's what the team this unified message they got. They got a trending on Google and so it does seem like not only are they committed to make to have a message their messages well thought out and they're making a real impact as far as what Americans know are learning about some of these social justice issues. I want to ask you about something else. So the Cincinnati reds have suspended broadcaster Thom Brennaman because of an anti gay slur he made on the air yesterday he apologized before he was actually pulled off the air but what is the team saying about this year? It was very strange series of events where he didn't know a Mike was on and he said you know the most offensive anti gay slur in who knows who he was talking to. An offhand handed remark, and then in the second game of double header, he came back and apologized during his apology a player hit a home run which he announced muted form. But that was surreal and as to your question, the reds have said that they're devastated by the quote horrific homophobic remark made this evening by broadcaster Tom Brennan, and they say, they embrace zero tolerance policy for bias or discrimination. We're addressing our broadcasting team in the coming days. How lot here. Thank you. So much Mike that's Mike Pesca here, and now sports analysts and he hosts the daily podcast, the gist at slate dot com. Here now as a production, thank you hear knows a production of NPR and WBZ in association with the BBC World Service I'm Tanya Moseley. I'm Jeremy Hobson. This is here now. I'm Jeremy. Hobson in the UK hey, arena shows are back sort of SAM. Fender just played for twenty five hundred socially distance fans the so much frustration for lockdown people seem to be singing a hell of a lot of would have been was last. That's next time on.
All the Presidents Indicted Men
"Hey everyone I'm David Chalian, the CNN political director. This is the CNN political briefing. Here's what you need to know in politics for Thursday August. Twentieth. Today Joe Biden the set to deliver the biggest political speech of his life and the ad wars between the trump and biden campaigns rolling out in battleground states on the heels of the Democratic convention. And finally, today Steve Bannon arrested you're not gonNA believe it. Thirty three years after Joe Biden I sought the presidency. He will take to the stage tonight in Wilmington Delaware to deliver his acceptance speech for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination. Again, something he's been seeking for a third of a century. So what is Joe Biden need to accomplish tonight at the final night of the Democratic Convention? Will he needs to accomplish a few things in his big speech tonight first and foremost, he actually still needs to tell his story to the American people. It's funny to say for somebody who's been on the national. Political stage for so long that he still needs to introduce himself to folks but as the Democratic pollster Peter Hart put it. Joe Biden is well known, but he's not known well, and I think that's a really smart line because I think that is Joe. Biden's burden tonight to make sure he presents himself as a man in full not just Barack Obama's number two not just this longtime senator but what Joe Biden is all about and how that came to be and how that would impact his presidency. So that's first and foremost he'll. Also, make critique of the president and his handling of the office is handling of the pandemic. No doubt. But so many of the people who spoke at the Democratic convention in the previous three nights really took it to president trump that maybe Joe Biden doesn't need to do as much of that. But no doubt he'll make the critique and third and perhaps most importantly Joe Biden has to explain the positive case for his candidacy. What is it? He would do as president what is his vision for America? This is where his whole theme from the last few weeks of build back better will. Come in his aides are saying that he will note what needs to get done in the immediate term dealing with pandemic in the health crisis dealing with the economic fallout from covert. But that things were not perfect before the virus hit and he's GonNa lay the case out today for why Biden presidency would be able to not just deal with the immediate term and get the country back on course. But actually start building a vision for long-term betterment of the United States of America if he can accomplish that he will have accomplished a major item on his to do list for the fall campaign. Here's what else you need to know today. The Ad Wars in the battleground states the trump campaign and the Biden campaign. Each launched adds pegged to the end of the Democratic convention in Critical Battleground States and boy do they show the contrast between these two candidates Biden of course, wanting to amplify the message that his team put together all week long in the convention and trump's effort is to completely frame the democratic. Convention as a negative exercise in liberal progressive politics. Give a listen to these contrasting visions. Now that the virus has cost lives put your healthcare cost too much now that our president has had months, but he still doesn't have a plan. What happens now? Joe Biden knows how to lead through a crisis because he's done it before. When our economy was on the verge of collapse Joe Biden led the largest economic stimulus in generation and saved millions of jobs. Many of the ideas we fought for the just a few years ago were considered radical on now mainstream birdies right Joe Biden embraced the policies of the radical left. So just as Americans are beginning to tune in and bigger numbers to this campaign as the Conventions get underway Biden selling this message in the. Battleground states what happens now sort of the prescription for America that he is selling where's the trump campaign is using this tune in opportunity before they turn into their own convention to say everything you just heard this week is Joe Biden being a puppet of the radical left Progressive Sanders, Cossio, Cortez wing of the Democratic, party. That's where the battles being joined right now on American television screens in the states that matter most in this race. And finally today trump's former campaign Steve Bannon White House adviser arrested this morning in. Classic Bannon style. He was arrested this morning on a luxury yacht off of the coast of Connecticut arrested for perpetrating fraud against donors to an effort he and some of his compatriots put together as a fundraising vehicle for building the wall. You Know Donald Trump's core promise from his twenty sixteen campaign. That is not a promise that he is actually finished and delivered on Steve Bannon apparently now only part of a fraudulent operation telling donors. That that money that twenty, five, million that they raised was all to go to build the wall. What prosecutors are alleging is that that's not where all the money went. Donald Trump was asked about this today in the Oval Office and in classic trump fashion here he was in the Oval Office trying to distance himself from one of his former closest advisors while I feel very badly I haven't been dealing with him for a long period of time as most of the people in this room now he was involved likewise. Our campaign and for a small part of the administration very early on despite the fact that Bannon had been dismissed from the White House some time ago. In this administration, he was very much part of the conversations around Donald Trump's reelection campaign and think about this. He is now the six person who was at the table with Donald Trump in his campaign, some of the most influential voices on the candidate from two thousand sixteen who's either been found guilty or indicted I mean Michael Cohen Steve Bannon now, Michael Flynn Paul Manafort Roger, Stone Rick Gates. I guess this is the new version of all the president's men. That's it for today's political briefing. Thanks so much for listening this podcast is a production of CNN audio Meghan. Marcus is the executive producer and Halley Thomas is the senior news producer. Rosh Mukisa is our technical lead. Our episodes are produced by will category Mimi Mu, Tessa, and Priscila Alabi an engineered by Francisco Monroy David. Toledo is the teams production assistant. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
Why is Steve Bannon in Europe?
"Today as the cartoon launches a major project on populism. We ask what Donald Trump's former chief strategist the controversial figure. Steve Bannon is up to in Europe and David Kahn on the preparations for cattle twenty twenty two the most improbable World Cup yet. He was the manager of Donald Trump's presidential campaign, which resulted in one of the biggest political upsets in history, like Mr Byrne, she's a friend of mine he is not a racist. I can tell you that he actually gets a very unfair person that regard then he was the chief strategist in the White House where he had huge influence on the president's decisions. Donald J Trump is calling for a total and complete shuttle of Muslims entering the United States later. He was unceremoniously sacked now Steve Bannon is in Europe his mission is to bring Trump style populism to the continent. And his first target is the EU elections next year. Beating horrid globals Podger abortion drivers steak. The whole. From the guardian. I'm initiatives. Donna today in focus. What is Steve Bannon doing in Europe? I didn't have any personal interactions with him in the US. But Steve Bannon was omni-present between around mid twenty sixteen. And now, I love the word omnipresent actually word. I think hope is an issue because otherwise I've made myself holy is in associate editor at the guardian who's been leading a major project on populism. That's launched this week. Previously. He was Washington. Correspondent. He gave Trump of ideological framework that he lacked. It was Steve Bannon that cave. Trump the populist rhetoric made him pivot his campaign to try to appeal to some of the if you like the heartlands of America the dean dust realize north Steve Bannon is widely regarded as having been a crucial figure in Trump's of action to the White House. Bannon was also the voice on Trump's shoulder who was always of opting for the more polarizing divisive often somewhat negative approach to politics in. It was banning reportedly during the March on Charlottesville who advise Trump to draw the force equivalence between the white supremacists. And the anti-fascist protesters turned up. Ville virginia. We condemn in the strongest possible terms. This agreed use display of hatred bigotry in violence on many sites on many shirts. It was Bannon who reportedly was always agitating for those policies that were considered most Trumpian almost extreme including the ban on Muslims. It was in its initial version. And what's he doing in Europe? Well, he says that he's here to try to ferment a Trump style populist revolt back in July. He unveiled this thing called the movement, which he said would effectively be a political consultancy in all but name, and it would enlist political parties that are right wing populist far-right parties across Europe and try and help them campaign ahead of the European parliamentary elections. Transform advisor. Steve Bannon has announced plans to spark a right-wing revolution in Europe. Steve Benham, the what? We're talking about this out there right wing populist. How Anna Paul did you from the guardian managed to get access? I met him first of all in his hotel. Hey guys wanted twenty. He always stays in luxury. Feist I tells in London his preferred residences Browns in Mayfair, none of the people man of the people and we sat for two hours talking about his project in Europe. And at that point PanAm wanted me to write an exclusive actually the movement had not been launched. And he wanted the guardian to have the scoop on him unveiling this big European ambition. And after looking into it, actually, I said, no, it struck me that it was basically solve hyphen hubris and the more responsible thing to do. Than feed the Bannon bubble if you like was to decline the scoop and instead ask if I could spend the next few months with him traveling around Europe as he tried to list recruits this project. Perfect body work. But he's a hugely controversial figure when the New Yorker plan to have him on stage at a big event. The backlash was so fierce that people were dropping out. They had to pull him, you know, he's fallen from grace in the US. Why should we reporting on him at all? I think it's really fair question. I think there's a big distinction to be made between the idea of giving Vanina platform conference an ideas festival such as the one that the economist or the New Yorker held and giving him that elevated platform and legitimizing context, there's a big difference between that and reporting what he's doing given that we were launching a series into populism in Europe. And elsewhere, and here was Trump's former strategies coming to Europe to try to ferment a nationalist populist revolt. There's no way we could have just ignored. That fact. So then the question comes if you're going to cover him if you're going to try to sift the fact from. The fiction. How do you do? So what what's it like to follow? Steve Bannon around. Can be difficult. He's he's a very good politician. And by that I mean. It is often said that he's manipulative he can be very effective at twisting and turning and using smoke and mirrors to try to deflect twist questions. He's really difficult to pin down. He has two modes one of them. I would say is very affable charming even complementaries quite fine. That I'm quite far. I'm quite fond at you, and you get so worked out I want to just under stubborn get so worked up, but I think. It's so hard. He's very good at. So putting people es complementing them making them feel that he's within the fold the subtext of that. When Benham does that in your presence is he saying I am not this sinister figure who is involved in some of the ugliest far right political movements in Europe and the United States. Don't believe that. I'm someone different. I don't do dog. Whistle politics. I don't do anti semitism different type of political figure than the one thing. And he almost sort of projects that image without even having to say it just by Dr very friendly, affable style and demeanor, and I was always conscious not to get seduced by that to be honest. And the other mode which people sometimes see on TV is explosive. There is something happening in European politics. Right now is this. There is now. Can hold the press is a really really question. And then and then you can then I can Mike and route which is extremely intimidating. He can be ferocious. He can be aggressive. And I think that combination makes him difficult person to interview. I have to say some of it. I always get the sense that somewhere in there. There's a performance aspect. Clearly Bannon is smart. I think he sort of he knows what plays. Well, I mean, we should never forget the Steve Bannon was a major executive he ran Breitbart. The violent news website. He spent ten years making basically propaganda films for the tea party. There was one moment when we really struggled to get Steve Bannon to agree to get out of his tell five star hotel five star the problem with five star hotels of you're making film. It's it's quite boring backdrop. You did you work the winning shot? You guys are so subtle at the guardian. Can we just have you on the balcony was? We asked if he would be into standing on his balcony in Venice film him from from outside. And he said no interestingly because he thought it would make him look like Mussolini. Hadn't even occurred to us that that would be what the sort of image of Bannon about Caen wood project, but he was two or three steps ahead of us and objected to the image that that would project job is obviously to stick to your agenda, which is in this case to find out what he was doing in Europe, try to sort the fact from the fiction and to hold him to account. Okay. Well, let's talk about that. Then what was he doing day-to-day as followed him around? So after launching this operation that he called the movement, which was a Brussels based foundation that he said would campaign for right wing populist parties. Bannon had to find some right wing populist parties that would sign up to this project. So basically in the four months since he's been traveling around Europe trying to enlist different political parties to join up, and when you met him he seemed to have this wing man by his side running things day to day. He was called Michael Madrid earth is hey, yes. Michael Modrica is a strange character. He's a former corporate lawyer from Belgium who basically has sort of like a vanity parties zone party. He runs it with him and his wife. It's a far right party in Belgium in the Wallonia region because it big it's tiny. He doesn't have any MEP's. Polling somewhere around four to five percent in Belgium. He's not a significant figure in Belgium. Hello. Hello. Mika? Of calm. Well, Tim, this is quite someplace you have. Thank you. The food to Q of the movement is going to be mission control in the the headquarters of the movement is in Michael Madrid Simmons home, and it's in the suburbs of brussel. It's a very grand residents electric gates opening up. Three or four large dogs. My dogs, even though they would bring. Of the flowers. This is MRs clammy clemmie in the name of searches wife says this this dose named after turtles. What exactly and this is Mrs Thatcher? Also, naming one of them was named after Margaret Thatcher. What the dog the dog he has another dog named after Winston Churchill's life. He's actually a huge Winston Churchill. And this is important because it's here that I can gather people. So this is this is a commission from church in. Office from the he clearly loved the idea of sort of emulating Churchill style, you had a cigar room. He has an enormous. Specially commissioned painting of Winston Churchill that hangs in the hallway of his residence underneath chandelier. He even had a mockup of him and Winston Churchill stood next to one. Another been photo shopped in his office. Oh my goodness. We would've been part of the movement. I have notable this. You think Chow our they're making? Remember you wanted to do business? Steve. And. All the pair of them having any success the popular parties, welcoming them in Italy. Yes. For the rest of the continent. No. I mean, actually, it's really quite stunning. Bannon has succeeded in listing the support of Matteo Salvini in Italy, and that's not insignificant Salvini as we know is the interior minister in Italy, he dominates talion politics outside of Italy. It's a it's a mix of either ambivalence. Or the answer is quite frankly. No from many of these rowing parties, so Viktor Orban in Hungary and marine Le Pen in France. Have both put out mixed signals about whether or not we want an American involved in their elections and everywhere else, the Sweden Democrats. The af de parties in Belgium, Czech Republic. Poland have all said, no. They don't want. Bannon's help. What are the problems that? Steve Bannon is coming across one of the problems is he's American. He doesn't understand European politics and lots of these parties that he wants to do business with acquaint suspicious of receiving help from an outsider. I mean, the optics particularly good if your party claiming to be a nationalist party and your receiving help from overseas. One example of this came when an invited me to meet women children Maloney, who's the leader of a far-right party brothers of Italy. He had told me before we met her. I think rightly that the party was postfascist as a political heritage that you can stretch back to the Mussolini era. You know, she rejected about flatly. Bannon claim never to have remembered that he'd said that to me, Steve when you told me you're going to be George you destroy brothers of taly as neo-fascist party. I don't think I did. I don't remember saying that. And then she suggested that we as outsiders both Bannon, and I didn't really understand European politics. Politics is a very difficult thing on this even for. That we do that or people they change. So I understand that outside from the from the borders veto if you both he's American you're British you talk about. So being an outsider to Europe is actually proving to be an obstacle for him. One of the suggestions, I put to him that. I think was a fair suggestion was that he was photo bombing Italian politics that he was utilizing what's happening in Italian politics right now to elevate himself, and almost capture some of the limelight that was being shed on Matteo Salvini. And he didn't like that. No. He didn't like that. He didn't like that suggestion. He rejected that suggestion. I'm one of your big findings was naturally a lot of this maybe illegal when did you start to discover that here. So sometimes as journalists come across little tips out of nowhere, and I was driving through the Belgian countryside with Michael Madrid Amon he wanted to take me to a place called Verviers way. He said that it was a town that had been subject to Islam is Asian in his words, and we would driving along and he saw just mentioned in passing or less. I mean, I was probing gently. Two. A good father. What do you say? His own party in Belgium, couldn't receive contributions from the movement, and that struck me as bizarre, I mean, Michael's party and the movement are both headquartered in the same building his home and his party can receive contributions from the movement. The reason being Belgium, like many European countries got quite strict campaign finance laws, and I guess that just sort of I had a little so ping in my head which was well, if that's the case in Belgium. What's the Laura? Elsewhere in Europe. What about today because you need a lawyer? I asked Michael. Curation in France, Germany, and he said, we'll see and I said have you not looked into this? And he said something along the lines of he was so committed to try to enlist new members to the movement that he didn't really have time to look into something as complicated as the electoral laws in each of these countries. Right now, I'm focusing more. The members. I've no time two weeks. So in recent weeks guardian correspondence across Europe have been given the unenviable and boring task of looking into the electoral laws in each of these countries, what Bannon said at the outset of all of this is that he would help right wing populace parties campaign by giving them exclusive polling data analytics help with social media, even advice on this election of candidates, and all of this stuff is basically a contribution in kind. It's not financial donation, but it has a financial value. It's the sort of thing political consultancy do so you can't in most cases there's few exceptions. But you can't just give this political party for free. It's breaching campaign finance lose. So at the end of this. You've concluded that he's perhaps not having as much influence. As he might like. And that even he was photo bombing Italian politics. Do you think it was right to cover him? I did actually Aspen in a couple of times. What would happen if the media stopped covering him? And interestingly those were the only times he threatened to cut off access to me. Those are the only time he said, you know, what let's stop doing this. And that's what gave me the impression that I was onto a fair point. Really? He so relies on gem of unflinchingly covering him. All the time that he really didn't. Let me ask him that question. What happens if the media stops reporting, Steve Bannon, but way, the media this the question of the nothing for nine years for nine years for nine years. This is your last every regarding. Not for nine years for nine years. I didn't have one interview they had one from Bloomberg for nine years before it took the Trump campaign if you guys stop reporting tomorrow, we're gonna do the exact same working just as. We're gonna start by cutting you guys seriously. We're gonna tell the guardian. We don't want any more coverage. No coverage. We'll see you in may of two thousand eighteen. Send that there's an argument that you could say, you don't have your cake and eat it. You're saying media shouldn't give him on g attention, but he will pull giving this attention. I think again it comes down to how you're covering. That's the important question. Not whether so if you do you don't because you have to if you don't sticking your head in the sand, and pretending this thing doesn't exist. But the question is how do you cover him the option that we chose was in as much depth as we can in a way in which we are constantly holding him to account for what he's doing. So I think it's important the guardians done what it's done. Hole. Thank you very much. You can read all polls reporting for the new populism series and watch his exclusive documentary on Steve Bannon at the guardian dot com. After the break is cata on track to fulfill its promise to deliver a seamless will Cup in twenty twenty two. Welcome back. It was seen as an almost unfeasible bid for well Cup hosted in newly built Eck and dishes stadiums in the middle of desert, but with four years to go cattle is full steam ahead for twenty twenty two. The guardians investigative sports. Reporter David Kahn has spent a week in the country looking into preparations. Cutter won the right host the World Cup in a famous fief vote which was very controversial in December twenty ten they became the first country ever to host a World Cup whose team never qualified for a world cope. It was a big outcry at the time. Those a feeling that the only possible reason why tiny country with very little football tradition. Could possibly be hosting the world cook is because the richest country on earth, and that led to investigations into whether there'd been corruption, and as we know many of those people who voted have since been indicted or found guilty or bound within fief of four actual corruption. Qatar winning the right to host the World Cup has produced a huge amount of focus on the pay and conditions of the people who will actually build this massive construction projects Qatar had one stadium and if the commission seven completely new stadiums. What we will take into three and they do call them labor camps. And they were really proud of all the facilities that they give these men now, and you know, it's clean. They have separate showers and toilets. They have food made for them that you can have an contain. And when we got to the county, I said kind of speak to some of the work is here, and they sent up slightly can speak to anybody. And it was foregone in men. So you know from garner Takata's quite a journey. And then he told me they were being paid six hundred fifty a month Qatar Rios. Conscious. Be what I'm working out to be five pounds a day. But that's what it is. Ovo? I'd felt about the people on spoken to in the camps hadn't been guarded needed to try and talk to people more freely than that. We just went down to downtown area of Doha was very run down. And we were surrounded by a huge crowd very very quickly. And they were basically stories of obsolete, despair and exploitation these guys had come over, and they did actually describe themselves as freelances that is a word that they use when they did work the system of contractors and subcontractors and companies appearing and then folding meant a lot of them had not been paid for work that the done on on major construction projects in Qatar and the don't e- and in one of them one of them told us in a complete reversal of how it's meant to be. He was having to get money sent from his home in Bangladesh to keep him fat in Catta and that was shocking. On television. These new stadiums. Will look amazing dazzling one is in the circular shape of the traditional headdress that they were can already picture the broadcasters. Having a wonderful time with these stadiums. Litter up for the purpose of showing off. This is the World Cup of inequality. It's the richest country in the world hosting the World Cup because it's the richest country in the world. And then it's recruiting people from the poorest countries in the world on very low rates pay not very good conditions in les becomes to build the stadiums. And so I really hope that people will become these issues even while they're enjoying the world coping for years time. Because if they're not then sends signals to to countries that bidding for these things as a kind of reputation building. PR campaign really works. That's all we have time for today, if you are enjoying today Infocus them, please do subscribe my thanks to pull Lewis and David calm. The producers for today's episode with Josh Kelley and mightily row sound design was by axel Kukuchi. The executives were filming not and the call Jackson see tomorrow.
LNE.news - Cherry, Bird, Cow S1E1 - Steve Bannon arrested: We Build the Wall, Mei Xiang's Baby Panda
"Can you see me and little news Year's present Kerry Burg? Oh, hey, are you for I am my name's Winston and I'm a great cowboy. And I Manzo part superb bird-of-paradise part man. I'm Winston's dad did actually you're his grandfather. Technically. I'm your father to you know, and I love you. I'm Felix part Boy Part Cherry. How is that possible? We live in a Dirac see a California. Wow. It's like a commune boss is not a cam young. We're working on a newspaper that we're putting on all bathroom stalls around the world news on every bathroom stall the toilet paper get it where Jerry Byrd off turn off and here's the news for today August 31st 2020 that is kind of interesting because today is eat outside day, which is good because we got that whole covid-19. Thank God. No, I love eating my worms. That is so gross. I don't know. It sounds kind of yummy, huh. Did you hear Steve Bannon got arrested what he's that human song The Incredible Hulk know it's banner and it's it's Bruce are David Banner, huh? Never mind. This is the band and that worked for a President Trump has a political advisor. Oh, yeah. He was off. Once on Time magazine for being the great manipulator. Yeah, he know he's the cutest for this game where he was using money raised for a construction to Build That Wall is using it for personal expenses, which is fraud. I know a fraud is that's essentially lying to someone about something isn't it telling someone you're doing something when you're really doing something else. He said he was using the money to build the wall to secure our borders. Was he building the wall? Well when they caught him, he was reading a book and drinking coffee on a 35 million dollar 150 off. Ian that belong to one of his associates a fugitive Chinese billionaire Good Times. Yeah, it's a good thing. He didn't Hulk out probably had a Cow Speaking a half and a cow. Did you hear about my dude? That's a cow. Oh, it's a panda the National Zoo she gave birth to a cow no to a baby panda and she cuddled it immediately. That's totally cool. I mean it was a reason I can't find much else but it's definitely a rare thing you want rare. How about fire tornadoes in California first covid-19, then rolling blackouts because of power shortages. And now what fire tornadoes it's winter normal temperatures meet with colder temperatures and it turns into a tornado but it's near a fire. So fire tornado, dude, we like safe and Atarax. Yeah, you never know. I don't actually is such a weird place to live weird stuff can happen and if it's weird and you can see it. You can see it here spell. Weird stuff I got something I think you'll like I bought a transparent toilet. That's totally weird in Tokyo. I know you can't be seeing him now, but you can see in them if they are not being used makes public toilets safe, you know, if there's someone in there like those offices that are clear glass until you turn a switch and they kind of cloud up exactly. So no one sees you unless someone figure out how to turn off that switch and then you're in front of everyone and they're all looking at you makes you want to kind of put your pants. Yeah. Probably not good to have them in California during a rolling blackout do Disney at all. That's in the news. I gotta go make some more cash me too high you're making money now Roblox what Roblox we play and we get stuff and then we can turn that stuff into real cash. Some people are like amazing amounts of money. It's definitely interesting. Yeah. Now if I can just sell this Eerie pumpkin head and that sparkly Fedora. Well play it in the toilet and I can watch you. That's so weird. Well, it's that or listening to the new show coming next week. Just vote moms of Jasper and Jarvis, they'll focus on political news as it relates to two candidates for President Donald Trump and Joe Biden are you off? Hey you want this week's news for kids go to little news sears.com and don't forget to check out our videos on YouTube and I teach a lesson plans and more on little news betus.com, May your sweetness shine and your colors glow sources for today's show include the New York Times National Geographic and the Washington Post.
Peering over 'The Brink' with Steve Bannon
"From the Mon broadcast center KPCC. This is the frame. I'm Steven Cuevas sitting in for John horn on today's show. The Autry museum is selling the historic southwest museum property in mount Washington. And then Allison claims documentary the prank if some insight into Steve Bannon's political strategy in the United States and more recently in Europe. He's promising people stuff he plays politics. He's telling people things are bad the elites have done it to you. I have the answers and an LA theater company. Examines our political landscape challenges playwrights with this question. What matters now all that coming up on the frame? The Autry museum of the American west today announced its plans to sell the southwest museum of the American Indian which was taken over by the Autry in a two thousand three merger the sale of a twelve acre property does not include the museums vast collection of native American ceramics, baskets, tapestries and much much more some four hundred thousand objects in total the Autry says it spent some twenty million dollars on renovations and preservation at the south west campus. But now it says the museum is too expensive to restore to a level. Suitable to showcase it's priceless collection. The museums been largely closed to the public for several years earlier today, I spoke with the trees president and CEO Richard west a citizen of the Cheyenne tribe of Oklahoma. And he began by telling me about the one hundred year plus history of the southwest and his own personal connection to the place. It was originally opened in nineteen o seven but that was downtown or in Los Angeles had moved to the Highland. Area probably about seven years after that and opened in nineteen fourteen and it is an institution which honestly omos from the beginning struggle financially. I think within twenty years the museum was already facing financial challenges, and it sort of did for the rest of the twentieth century. And and we're trying to resolve down the twenty first century. I've been very personal connection simply because I'm native, and I saw them use him when I was a child visiting from Oklahoma where I was growing up and seeing the collection and even at a Joe less than ten I think I was sort of looking at those shelves and the Caracol tower and seeing all those ceramics basically held on the shelf by wire, and realizing that this was this was an institution in some distress from that point, but it is such a significant collection, as you know, my other history in the museum field is the national museum. But the. American indian. Yes. And this collection is of the very same rank in terms of pure quality. Now shifting over to the Autry for a second. So when was the Autry created, and what was the intention behind it? What was the mission statement? The Audrey was created and opened in nineteen eighty eight and it was it's gone by several different names. But I think that the current name is really the one that is most apt if the Autry museum of the American west and that fits quite perfectly with our mission statement, which is really to try to tell to interpret to represent on a very inclusive basis all the stories of the American west. And honestly, I think that it was the arrival of the southwest Biesen collection as an integrated part of the Autry collections that made it much easier for the Autry to live by its mission. And not that it's exclusively choice. Between cowboy America and native America. Right. But certainly if you have native America in the picture you were beginning to operate on a far more inclusive basis. So today, the Autry museum, formerly announced it's looking for a new owner for the southwest museum welcomes through this. If you could Mr. west what happened and how did we get here? Upon my arrival in two thousand thirteen the situation with respect him out Washington and Highland Park. And the museum was still sort of a in it lacked resolution, I made it my goal to try to make sure that we emerged from that. And that we did a couple of things first of all that we honored are obligate with respect to the collection under the merger agreement to protect and conserve that collection. The second was that we wanted to respect the legacy of site, and whether it actually occurred there we wanted to maintain a community kind of Titi. And then to figure out a way that we could could put things together in a manner that allowed for that place to be sustainable now. Just to clarify, though, we're talking about a sale that would be the property the buildings and so forth, not the collection itself. This would not affect the collection. No, not affect ownership of the collections. Okay. What I would say is we want to be sure that the the Autry has a future role here too. And I think that that's what the local community much prefers. And that is what I prefer. But we very much would like to contemplate programming that doesn't the presence of collections over there. But as open to very wide and more flexible agenda in that regard. Remember that Highland Park is probably one of the most artists rich sections of the city at this point in terms of. Contemporary artists that are working in that very locale. We'd like to figure out a way to draw them into it. The Autry as you may also know entered into a very important collaborative of agreement with lack, but I can see opportunities for collaborations with other arts and culture institutions which could be programmed in a way that they have impact even or our expression at that side as well as here at the Autry and the main campus in Griffith park. So it is it is all of those things if I understand, right? Most of the southwest museum's collection is now being cared for and housed in facility in Burbank, where will the collection ultimately end up or do you even know let me point this out the facility in Burbank is actually constructed in a way that it is much more quasi-public than collections buildings in the past been it is now a much more integrated part. Art of our programming here and even our public programming here. I want to be very careful. In fact, I actually discourage my my staff and colleagues here from ever referring to that space as a storage area. Okay is not simply a storage area. And so that is one possibility, but I'm also saying that that collection will be on display here at the Griffith, park campus, and Mary may vary. Well in the future beyond display in parts at the oh southwest museum side, Rick west junior is president and CEO of the Autry museum of the American west in Los Angeles. Mr. west, it was a real pleasure to speak to you again. Thank you. Thank you so much. Coming up on the frame new documentary about Steve Bannon shines light on his controversial strategy. This is the frame. I'm Steven Cuevas. John horn is away today. Thanks for joining us for claimants first feature documentary IWay never saw she followed. The Chinese dissident artist for three years. Her new film. The brink focuses on another dissident of sorts one with a very different and some say, white nationalist worldview. Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon claiming spent thirteen months with Bannon beginning after he left the White House in August of two thousand seventeen and right on up through the twenty eight teen midterm elections taking verite fly on the wall kind of approach free of narration or talking heads claimed his there when Bannon forms and organization to raise money and promote what he calls economic nationalism in America. And she's there when he meets with far right politicians and activists in Europe were hoping to win seats in upcoming parliamentary elections claiming stop by the frame studios recently to talk with John horn about the brink. She had an answer for a question. She gets pretty often. Why would I? Spend ninety minutes with Steve Bannon. He's someone that was instrumental in getting Trump elected president, and he engages with a lot of the forces that I think for worse are shaping our world. And rather than you know, I don't know that you need to spend time with him listening to him give his stump speech for ninety minutes. But I think watching him and action is really important. I think that we have to take Bannon very seriously. I'm using we now, but you know, if you disagree with Bannon and his ilk, I think you need to take them very seriously. But I think that they're beatable and those two go hand in hand, and the reason that you have to take them seriously because they're not going to beat themselves. But they are beatable in the sense that there are people there are alternative policies that are trying to help citizens. We have to talk about real problems in the world because otherwise this hateful view gets to own. You know, real talk about problems regardless of. People think about Steve Bannon's politics, I think everybody would agree that he is a very good salesman. And he's figured out a way to tell a story about the thing that he is selling in what I will call very acceptable ways. And what are you selling is a brand of racism, and his Lama phobia, you spent a lot of time with him. What did you notice about the way he ingratiates himself with people who are listening to him that could be journalists that could be politicians what is cactus? He's really good. At retail politics gets the importance of spending time face to face. There's no crowd to bigger frankly too small, you know, Bannon is also pretty masterful at creating an Ingram. Right. It's something that you should really irk me was that he would always talk about the left as the ones who are playing quote, identity, politics and engaging in culture, and he's the one who's talking about, you know, economic nationalism this term that he's been trying to kind of brand as. His own and in truth, you know, his style of communicating to people really is about creating this shared identity. You know, we had this great victory with Donald Trump, and you know, using a lot of language that sometimes though, so is speaking on a lot of different levels. I think that brings maybe to a third point he absolutely engages in you know, he has no problem using racist. Anti-semitic dog whistles, frankly, some of the anti Muslim stuff isn't so much a dog whistle just like, you know, outright language, and he's trying to shift it all and say it's talking about jobs, basically what he does. He's promising people stuff. He plays politics. He's telling people things are bad the elites have done it to you. I have the answers. What those answers are in the end really just boil down to a wall and exclusionary xenophobic policies. And he leaves it to everyone to connect the dots that that's what's going to change their lives. But you know, he's really good at at getting. People on his side. What is it like to watch him manipulate journalists because he's very clever? He's like a magician. He is deflecting you by waving over here. When you're supposed to be looking over there. I'm gonna play a clip of his talking with Paul Lewis. Who is a very good journalist the guardian. Some of the people you're doing business with here in Europe fell. Right. Sometimes quite extreme sometimes go links to like, Oregon or Filip Dewinter you had a meeting within number. No, no. He just came to. He just came that was a general dinner. It does it concern you Philippa winters like commemorated full mass as collaborators that that that kind of stuff is not going to be tolerated in movement, we were very upfront with that. Right. So you just came to he came to the dinner that was a general dinner. We had you know, number of people their policy is asking him about far right leaders who were at dinner that actually I captured and show in the film earlier. So we're kind of able to do a callback. As you watch him squirming. And recasting this dinner that was a large meeting of the minds, you know, dinner of what like twelve people and he saying, oh, it was it was nothing. And as if he didn't know who any of these people are it's not like, this is some random dinner that he's invited to he is organized, and it is like the Kremlin LA creme of white nationalist leaders throughout your. Yeah enough. Yes. Criminal crime is a good word because it's a very rural white. Yeah. Exactly. Very very white elbow. Some of them were you know, it was really a mixture of people who were leaders of their parties and also outcasts of their parties. But again, they're outcasts because they were so extreme one of the guys can't Eker off of the Sweden. Democrats had just been kicked off of the roles of his party because he was too extreme in his anti-immigrant policies. So anyway, this is the kind of people that are sitting at this dinner, and they're meeting the talk about how they can strategize. So that they can win as a unit. Guide block and change the shape of not just their countries. But Europe as a whole, and I think that that, you know, listening to how Bannon is dealing with Paul's, very direct, and in his very well prepared questioning you see how he lies you see how he really just doesn't enter the conversation in good faith. We're talking with Allison claimant about her film the brink out to play another clip from the film. This is about something called core that stands for citizens of the American Republic. It's the five oh one C four that Bannon started up right when he left the White House. So that he could you know, engage in American politics with dark money. Listen to this part from the Phil. What is she four to know that we don't breaking goals number? That's number one number two is very least using. Page of with. Enter in over there. Valid dress coming. Dancing their citizens for America title. Citizens for citizens for America. Why stone south like citizens United? You have a whole firstly. This is about citizens. You can do, you know organizing for America that you can do truckers for America women for oldest to play a little. Yeah. So it's basically a few weeks really like about two months after he's left the White House. This is early November twenty seventeen and he's with Andy Sarabia and who's Republican strategist? I think right now, he's working for Donald Trump junior, but he had worked closely with Bannon also in the White House and Rehim Qassam who's one of the founding editors of Breitbart London. He used to be the chief of staff of Nigel Farraj, one of the top pro Brexit campaigners in the UK, and to me the scene plays very humorously that now I'm just talking filmmaking wise, it was one of the early things that I shot. And I started to see an inspiration for the film in the television series, veep, because I think it's also looking at a bunch of people who have a big vision of what they can do, and they maybe are a little less than perfectly either skilled organized and to do it. So this is the way that they're trying to come up with names for their five. Oh, one C four. And I think you also can see, you know, they're kind of like the little chattering voices. And he's like the one laying down how about this? There's a long pause before anyone wants to tell them what they really think. How do you make sure filmmaker that you have these moments of semi levity? But these people are talking about what a lot of people would say are very dangerous ideas, and they're affiliated with some very dangerous groups like golden, dawn brothers of Italy. These are anti immigrant Islamic phobic groups. I think that's such a good point. And so I should also add when I when I first started to think this can be like veep. But the end of it was, but you're not laughing at the end. And that was really the guiding one one of the guiding sort of ideas, because I also think real life is funny and the truth is, you know, I think if Bannon, for example, wasn't someone who also charms people and kind of works the media and some of his capital, some of his political capital interpersonal capital comes from being able to crack jokes. He makes self deprecating jokes. A lot of the jokes in the movie are him making fun of himself. And I think that you know, I put it in and some people are like, wow, I didn't realize that. He was actually someone who seemed like fun to hang out with so far. No one I know who has in the films says that and then says, and so you know, what he really convinced me, you know. And now, I changed my mind. I mean, I think that we have to be willing to see the people who are doing, you know, without mincing words doing what you. Said spreading hate who are who are willing to not only promote policies that harm people. But to use rhetoric that inspires others to to violence. We can call that out. But we have to recognize that they're people too because otherwise we might not notice someone like that. In our midst employment is the director of the brand Ellison. Thanks for coming. The brink opens. In select theaters this Friday coming up on the frame in LA theater company surveys, the political landscape and ask playwrights to address this question. What matters now. The LA based open fist theatre company is trying to make sense of our country's political landscape. It's currently presenting a pop up festival to showcase short plays with political themes, the playwrights who come from all over America are trying to answer a question. What matters now the frame contributor Marcos? Not hitter has our story. Take care of Donald Trump wins tonight. No matter who they voted for in the wake of the last presidential election. The actors directors and writers in the open fist theatre company. We're a bit stuff. Patterson? This night is turning out to be a real nail biter all along the trunk of any has been saying that Florida's must win for the were also plenty angry test, Michigan, and Wisconsin and work for the people. Hillary Clinton has called Donald Trump to concede the race. So who better to turn to than the bar? Let me bring part for. So I show you'd be made of penetrable stuff. If you want to express rage at country castle and Kim. Presentiment of two brothers to large portrait's. Flank open fist actor lane, Alison centerstage of Jove himself. There's Barack Obama on one side. Every God did seem to set his seal to give the world assurance of Donald Trump on the other. On blasting his wholesome, brother. Could you be bass hitting on this more? She takes turns hurling verbatim lines from hamlet at the two men. Humble weighs upon judgment. And what what judgment out of the audience? We laugh a lot grown, occasionally and curl up in the comfy sofas. Luckily, there's a bar, right? Inside the theatre if you wanna drink before during or even after the show. This is the third year of open fist annual political. Feeder fess, will you walk inside one of the spaces at the atwater village theatre complex you welcomed by funding. Silverlake hipster version of the Moulin Rouge complete with small red fringe lamps mismatch furniture and lots of red wine. Here in the middle of the bar is open created a Speakeasy of sorts says company member Amanda wire because we live in a time. We're talking about politics is anything but easy back in the day in Chicago. Which is where I started doing all of you know, the theater thing we all go to bars afterward and talk about the shows. We just saw in LA, I think people worry about parking in the cars, and the how do we get to the whatever? So we're like if we bring that atmosphere here, and especially because there seems to be just a lot of charged emotion. And what we do. Now, it I personally, you know, that's the shared communal experience that I think sometimes we're missing given weekend night the festival lineup. Features a rotating roster of short plays the tackle political topics from the tame to the Tahboub. Back. What who said I saw him amend a wire wrote and directed a piece called heart attack Zack. Jill was not get tape ten for dense random family's backyard. My crane of overall theme that I wanted to explore was women where we choose to have another woman's back. How should? Wires play tells the story of young woman who reconnects with her college crush only to discover he's been accused of abusing women, but she and her friends are quite sure who or what to believe. Chill. What who whereas Jill what she's coveted the bar where I work a lot. But. Haunt and has what to do with what it's something that. I think a lot of us have found ourselves having to take sides on because I want out Franken back before were US Senator from Minnesota resigned after a photograph surfaced of him pretending to funnel a sleeping woman. I think what happened there that looks like sketch towards that. I did back in college where people are playing jokes. And then it sucks that there's a photo of that. But it's the photo still staged like it was a joke, and like she was in on it. Who's it for me to say, it's for her to say and okay? But then when cavenaugh came up, I'm like, this poor woman who's having to go up and testify whose families getting death threats, and he's still on the supreme court. It's not an easy conversation to have emits wire. But she says that's exactly the point of this festival. You can kind of look across the space at another audience member and sort of see. Them reacting and reflecting and you realize okay, we're all in this together. And afterward. We're going to you know, the politics might not be comfortable right now. But the couches are. Just me. The protest is a play written by James William Eddin's, inspired by his time as a grad student some twenty years ago in New York and things I was protesting against in two thousand two now seem kind of quaint back then Evans was protesting the war in Iraq. So he wrote this play to chronicle his frustrations and feelings. Doing two actors play penguins. Locked in a glass display case, they spend their days, smiling tourists and banging their heads against the wall. Hoping for better days what these are going through in terms of like banging their heads up against the wall. We we're dealing with that like on a day-to-day basis show director Derek Manson. There's some reassurance. It's happening this one characters trying to reassure this other character. I know you feel dizzy, I know everything is chaos even banging your head. But you just got it. You got to stick with it. You gotta keep fighting the fight. The frame header. What matters now is that the atwater village theatre in L A through April thirteenth nets the frame for today. Thanks for listening. I'm Steven Cuevas. See you tomorrow.
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"The. Guys are still under education estrangement. Order. Thing. I, got from her. I've got to. Come by. Objection unlike that about selling to honor. I think legal terms are magic words that can force people to do what I want. Client has instructed me remind court how rich and important is that he is lot like other men. Welcome to opening arguments a podcast that pairs a comedian with a real life lawyer. This podcast is sponsored by the law offices of the Andrew Torres. LLC for entertainment purposes is not intended as legal advice and does not form an attorney client relationship. Don't take legal advice from a podcast. And welcome to opening arguments. This is upset. Four, hundred, fourteen, I'm Thomas. That's Andrew. How're you doing sir I did fantastic Thomas our. Dan Hold on another jared Kushner indicted by the. Man, so look like people though right. I. I work super hard and read primary documents and. Be Throughout the week I, keep some flexibility in the whiteboard. You gotta do that by like by ten am on a Thursday I kinda like to have ninety five percent of everything wrapped up. Sometimes you can't and that's okay and all blacked out there is nothing like Hittin at ten. Am this morning looking up at the Monitor and seeing Steve Bannon indicted And be like Oh. All right. Well, guess that like a bit on the Fort Night Versus Apple lawsuit is going to get pushed. Man That's a good bit. Such a cool. Yeah did so I promise. I have all the hip cool with it Fort Bank reference. I'm I'm my son doesn't even play for night. He has some like and I gotTA tight like I've watched people playing for and it's super cool looking. I would totally if I were you know. Boy. Fee. I played apex legends for a minute with my brother and that one's less goofy looking at Fort Knox Weird to me I don't get it. But anyway, because of the time difference, I always like when I wake up and because I you know I'm a night person I wake up at, have all the notifications on my phone and I instantly know how Andrews Day is going. Within seconds of way up I look at my phone be like This is Andrew's today because this is a lot of news right? Right when you already ready to record their so. We'll get news, we will be covering it. So there you go. Yeah this just in Roger. Stanton. I'm just kidding. Yeah, this is who I'm on fire over here by the way, the people of asked yes. Fires are very close not not life threateningly close but. Well I guess if you depend on air to breathe than sure. life-threateningly, it's a the air is not good. So that's that's me. I did say this on us, I o that the one, the one benefit of the fire all the benefits of the fires one is should be probably a hundred and eight degrees today but instead, it will be like a nice cool one hundred. So that I smoke just. Shade all the time just like I said, grab a fleece. Yeah. Yep, and then the other is that it's actually the the right lighting for twenty twenty and for the last four. When we've had to watch those bad religious videos where there's like the end of the world and the rapture, the lighting is always weird. That's how it looks over here in these fires and I realized like it should just look like this all the time like this should be the country's official mood lighting for the last four years. It would make we'd be like Oh. Yeah. That fits. That's how I feel right now. So that's that's kind that goes hand in hand with you discovering your air quality map just added color the legend. Air of color purple. Like Oh, once once read isn't bad enough. They're like shoot purple I guess we'll go. That's the that's the death. Claus's everyone knows that. Oh. So that's me anyway. Oh, quick other announcements here I did a little debunking thing on twitter about this Kamala Harris mean that I saw shared that was really annoying. So I talked about that on. Cash we have so much to talk about today I. Don't seriously talk talk about that because I see this all the time. Sure. I just don't want to be contributing to the losing of segments later on when. Things get shaved. Well, people shared a thing that said Oh when Kamla Harris was announced as VP. Prison stocks went through the roof kind of thing and You just didn't seem right to me because it doesn't I. Don't know I mean it's not impossible but as just get ready because because the democratic ticket that has campaigned on abolishing private prisons building on the work of. The Obama administration to scale back the use of private prisons and the fact that the private prison industry skyrocketed when Donald Trump won the election the those things indicated baby that you should be skeptical right I did a little research and it's pretty much everything. You just said Dole debunking on twitter. Yeah. It's obvious. It's a done when you look at the full five-year map. This is it's nothing it turns out the fund got added to an index that means some you know some mutual funds and some tracker funds to buy up shares. So some people tried to buy up I a little bit to profit on that. But when you look at the full chart, it's an absolute nothing blip in the radar that you can't even see compared to how. High it went when trump was elected because republicans are really good for private prisons and Democrats are not good for private prison. So have you got the twitter threat on at series pod or also talk about on the series inquiries only episode those out last night. So check that out if you'd like to hear more plus a couple other things I debunked and some ramblings. It's great stuff. I have a deep dive on the US Postal. Service. In was right look that was obviously going to be this week's main story until it was no longer this week's main story. So it will be Tuesdays maiden story of the reason on that is number one I. Want to make sure we covered in-depth number to the postmaster general Louis Joy is going to testify again this time before the US, Senate next Friday so this will be a perfect. Kind of background of the the sorts of questions you can expect ask we look at I i. i. know you because you are a loyal John Oliver viewer than the way I am because his Ryder steal from our show we we take a look at a claim made by John Oliver that maybe has a little bit more nuance than was portrayed. So yeah, it's IT'S GONNA be. A lot of fun. It's I'm really really proud of the work and wish I could give it you today but I can't. All right. It's a Tuesday show big deep dive on the post office. Awesome. Okay. Let's try to get to all the stuff we need to talk about today I'm going gonNA speak really quickly. So if you typically listen to the show one, point, five speed dial it back click. Andrew Torres. Wrong. Sir. Sir Andrew Torres wrong wrong wrong. Wrong. We got a quick Indra was wrung Andrew was right thing when we get a couple of different things, one of them not so quick all of these relate to our commerce episode and I think it's really really important to provide accurate context and information and own up where we get it wrong in minor and not. So minor ways a none of this changes the analysis in any way in in that episode so I I can versed with Josh Tauber who was the founder of Gulf trek regarding our repetition of the Fox News claim that chimeras had the most liberal voting record in two thousand. Nineteen. Seagull, track. and. He clarified something that I think is really important to clarify. So when a read his tweet back to us on the air, I've also chatted with him, you might come on the show it'd be great. Oh, cool. Here's what Josh says with respect to track we don't measure voting record so please don't use our numbers as evidence of something we're not measuring also please don't really Women's career to simply a number computed by white people so. Total agreement on that. Let me explain what he means by that first half because I don't think we said voting record but but again, we certainly allied over the unique methodology that track uses, and so I think it's worth amplifying. Because again, we're not really in a disagreement here at all what track does in their ideology score is they use an analysis of bills and resolutions that are cosponsored and how similar those are two other members of. Congress. So they then say the score can be interpreted. As a conservative liberal scale, and in fact, it is identified that way. Right. So the the reason for Kamla Harris is that her lineup it says most conservative Tom Cotton one, hundred, ninety nine, and then it goes all the way down to one Comma Harris most liberal right. So so I. Again, I don't know that there is any disingenuousness saying according to track commerce was the most liberal senator look if you can't say that sentence than they shouldn't be putting out a thing that says that. But it but I think it's important to note that there and again. I think it's important to note because it strengthens our overall on. That if a unique analysis of looking at the kind of bills you introduce happens to converge on the same conclusion as more traditional analysis of how did you vote on certain legislation then in my view that makes the argument stronger for the notion that right Kamala. Harris has been a progressive senator throughout her entire career. She doesn't just vote for progressive policies because look each. Of these methodologies separately, you might critique, right you might critique of voting and be like a It's super easy to stage votes that like pad your record, and that was often a complaint. Again, I don't want to just be dog piling on the other side but this is the one that comes to mind is Ron Paul would symbolically vote against the budget every year. And you know that would pass the house you know four, hundred, thirty, four to one what a hero. Yeah, exactly. Right. And so yeah, I it's it's easy to manipulate your voting record fort to vote for things that Donovan Shop and Hell of passing or vote against things that are definitely. GonNa Pass. So, looking at the kinds of bills you introduce is a is a different metric and it's worth emphasizing that they have a different metric. It is also worth emphasizing. I totally empathize with track which has done a tremendous amount of good in the world in promoting a public access to this kind of information and. And I get why they wouldn't want to be used by Fox News political football. So that's kind of point one on track and and we support we support what they're doing. Second, this is going to require a little bit more to unpack and and there is a clear error here on my end when I was discussing Laura Abaza Lonzo article on Comma Harris I made. An off handed comment that again I I don't think. was intended to be used as discrediting the entire article, not the least of which is. As you listen to the entire episode, I'm a fan of Avalon's right right like I think I, treat her fairly and and respectfully. I. Talked about her description of gauge versus Chapelle. That was the case involving the convicted sexual offender and Kamala Harris Office opposed gauges second petition for Habeas on procedural grounds and I said two things number. One that wasn't Comma Harris who did that right? It was the line prosecutor, David. Cook. Probably Kamla Harris signed off on it and number two. I. Don't know that there was a good out from that right like the the habeas petition wanted to reopen the case to introduce evidence to discredit a survivor's testimony. So yeah, it's super important not to wrongly convicted people. It's super important not to. Reopen Kate rate like there's not a lot of good solutions to that and to use that as the Lynch pin of an argument against Harris I think was and is a bad argument. But then I said this and I said the article says that the Ninth Circuit ordered mediation and that's not a thing that courts do bright that appellate courts do. and. That was based on two things number one. Twenty three years of experience in arguing before courts. And number two having gone to the opinion and read the disposition right in which that was not a part of the mandate. The court did not order mediation. The court just dismissed out the petition for the Second Habeas petition as being as on procedural grounds right and then I said, and if you were a lawyer, you probably know that that that's not how appellate courts don't order mediation as part of the disposition. So to airs here. Number one professor Basilan is, in fact a lawyer she is a professor of law and again I think if you go back and listen fairly right, that was not that was that was meant to be a description as sort of part of the overall you know, hey, this this would look weird if you're a lawyer, you would look at this description of this case and say this looks kind of weird and that's why that stuck in my head that way. Secondly as at a listener pointed out if a now I've done this I have gone and pulled up the docket in between oral argument and disposition. The Ninth Circuit referred this case to the courts mediation program. It's a little different. and. By the way that is that is something I have never seen a court do. Ever in the entirety of my practice and particularly you you. You don't see that in criminal cases right you you. Might See courts, trying media cases all the time, but typically, your mediating at the District Court level not at the appellate level because all of the equities, right like by by the time you get before the ninth circuit you've already spent the money, right? You've written the briefs it's just on the law it's not about the facts there's there's very little to mediate but that that one hundred percent did happen. I would have written about that very, very differently right professor. Basil on wrote the Ninth Circuit sent the case to mediation a clear signal from his hairs to dismiss the case when she refused to budge the court upheld the conviction on that technicality. Mr Gage is still in prison and and I stand by a couple of things there right number one the mediation order did not include Kamala Harris number two mediations in the interstitial period right are confidential, right? So you know you can say I would infer that but you have no idea. And the mediation order itself is a sentence long it just says the this case has been ordered to mediation for the parties to participate, and again this is a long piece maybe she'd Neville editorial control it's a little bit of a weird way to describe it but hey, in fairness like it's it's a lot of the things I describe on the show one might say that's a weird way for a lawyer to describe something right So. The bottom line is I I did miss read that I I did. Make those those two compounded errors and Iowa I o Professor Baz on an apology and and I o the listeners that that correction. This is why we do. Andrew was wrong I'd I don't like being wrong I tried to do my due diligence but yet, very, very weird procedural quirk in the middle of that case doesn't doesn't change my analysis, but it is important for me to be accountable. So you still don't think it's reasonable to infer what she did there about the case she didn't do anything. Right the court's order sent, David Cook representing the warden for Saint Quentin in his official capacity and the inmate Kevin Chapelle and his court appointed counsel to mediation it went for one session. And, obviously didn't go well again it's privileged. So we don't know why and then the mediation reported back and said, this was not productive and then the court ruled and the court ruled as I described. So I don't hear a comma here is being involved in that at all. Not, was not at all involved in that. But again, very very important and and I did say it should strike a lawyer as odd to write that the ninth circuit ordered mediation standby. It's super on and in fact like you know. She clearly knows more about this case than than than we do and and maybe knows more than is available from publicly available sources. All I can say is it still strikes me as an odd way to describe the case but but I was one hundred percent I do not want to you know. I don't Wanna use that as an excuse to to say, I don't own up to the fact that when I get it wrong I get it wrong and I got yeah. No I just WANNA make sure that we're not throwing the Andrea out with the bathwater always WanNa know like witch thing is wrong and why you know. So that's why I just wanted to clarify the overall point still doesn't sound like Kamla hairs was involved in in and it still sounds weird to say well, Kamla wouldn't budge. So the court did this just like. A. So that's still a weird description right I stand by that yet. Okay. All right. One of the many items of popped up on my news feed that made tells me that you were having a day was. We got another ruling on trump and the tax I can't keep track of all this when it comes to trump and his taxes, it just seems like judges from time to time or like. Yeah. I don't even know if they're involved in any cases that a judge will just be like a trump. Hanover. Your tax returns remind us which of the many cases this is and what's going on yeah. This is trump versus Vance right? That is the investigation in the southern district of New York in to Donald Trump's taxes that we believe primarily relates to misrepresentations regarding real estate. And I have said on this show after the Supreme Court decided the consolidated trump taxes while people were saying okay. Well, this is going to put them beyond everyone's reach before the election I said, you've you know that's it is not impossible that if the courts are cognizant of the fact that that delay is prejudice that Sivan's could get those documents from May Czars. Right from third party sources who, yeah, you know that they're not going to violate their clients trust. But if they are subjected to a valid subpoena, they're not going to violate the law even for the president and. To this morning, the United States District Court for the southern district of new. York. Entered a one hundred one page written ruling that dismissed trump's second amended complaint that was designed to continue to delay and say look here all the reasons that the subpoenas overly broad and you know Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and you know hundred one pages the court dismantled that and Engaged in a rather lengthy discussion which said, we're we're not saying that the president is trying to run out the clock but we are in the legal term for that is being dilatory in filings right like timewasting. So they say, we're not saying that the president is trying to run out the clock but we are saying that you were trying to run up o'clock. This is exactly the kind of thing that you would do. Outer says what right? At it adds with justice does not require granting leave to replete under these circumstances. Justice requires an end to this controversy. That was entered today and I know what you're going to ask. You'RE GONNA say can trump appeal this, and the answer is he can but remember that that his appeal now puts the onus on Donald Trump to go to first the second circuit and then the Supreme Court and say I want you to issue an injunction that prevents this ruling from going into effect. He's a hundred percent going to lose at the second circuit and. The question is, what is the Supreme Court GonNa. Do I'm pretty sure. That the Supreme Court will not stay and that's based on the fact that Roberts ruled the other way in the case in chief, and this opinion is super thorough on the facts and to prevail, you have to demonstrate a substantial likelihood of success on the merits. So you know I think the US DC here did what you would want them to do, which is shame John Roberts and I I stand by it will the trump administration be able to run out the clock they might write a we've never said they can't run out the clock what we've said is. There is reason to think that maybe they can't maybe they get tripped up at the goal line at the last minute. So this is really really good It's a, it's a good ruling and it illuminates the courts. Are you know not just that they're not going to be strung along by Extra, judicial hardball, right? They're aware that trump's game is to run out the clock and and they're doing their best to make sure that doesn't happen. Wow. We might see these things by twenty, forty eight. Seventeen more judge rulings away. I'm being Pacific well, we'll see maybe we'll We'll get them in time for the election maybe right again maybe not but maybe Because people have got know whether or not their president's a crook. You're not aware of any contacts during the course of the election how many times have to answer this question? Can You? I. Know You have to ask a question so and put Russia is a ruse. Andrew Senate Intelligence Committee report how what is going on here. This is like I've heard a bit about it, but I can't wait to hear your coverage. This is a you know if I remember correctly the Republicans control the Senate but somehow we got a report Tell us what happens yeah this is volume five. We've talked about the various previous four volumes in a dance with dragons. This one is a trim nine, hundred and sixty six pages. So yeah, George Martin would. Say the Republicans issued a damning report of trump before George Martin could finish book whatever it is six of his thing these never finished and it is I mean you. You know you just gave away right who gets to sit on the iron throne this is jamming. The way in which you can tell that it is damning is at the end are supplemental statements, right so the the report is voted out by the entire committee and then when members of the committee have alternative views. They can issue a minority report the yet. So at the end is the additional views of senators rish. Rubio. Blunt cotton, corn, and SAS. You may recognize those as six of the eight Republicans who are on this committee. It excludes Susan Collins who did not sign onto this because she still thinks that it's possible that she's not gonna get her ass kicked by Sarah. Gideon that's not true. But Hey, good good for her or Richard. Burr who is trying to lay low after serious allegations? Decider Trey. So, this did not make it into the report because it is a nakedly political statement and therefore was unable to garner a majority of the Republicans will gabby gathered a majority of the Republicans but it was unable to get to garner a majority of votes in the Senate Intelligence Committee despite the fact that Republicans control that committee because of these two dissenters essential. Correct. So here's what this and I'm just gonNA. Read to aligns and then you're going to ask me a question So brain splitting Lee obvious that it it will it will prove the point. So, volume five this is the rich Rubio Blunt Republican minority report. Volume Five, starting at page nine forty-three if you want to read along. Exhaustively reviews the counter intelligence threats and vulnerabilities to the two thousand sixteen election but never explicitly states the critical fact the committee found no evidence that then candidate Donald trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government in its efforts to meddle in the election that is in bold. It'll ix on page forty-three, and in case you can't read bold italics in bold non italics on page nine, forty, four, it repeats after more than three years of investigation. By this committee we can now say with no doubt there was no collusion. That's all in bull. So go go ahead. Should. We have expected this committee to find evidence of collusion even collusion happened. This is the Senate Intelligence Committee says a counterintelligence investigation, their instructions, their orders they are sole mission is to determine what is the threat or threats to our nation from hostile foreign powers. Right. That's what intelligence means in this context right and and in fact, if you don't believe me, you might believe the Senate. Intelligence. Committee which on page five of this report says the committee did not specifically seek to investigate crime or facilitate the apprehension of criminals. It ten goes onto add though if the committee became aware of information related to potential criminal activity, the course of its investigation that information was referred to the appropriate law enforcement entity for whatever action it deemed appropriate, right. So why would this report not opine as to criminal activity a because it's not a criminal investigation be when they came across criminal investigation, they referred it out to the Department of Justice. See that's contained in appendix a is redacted. Course it is and t however a whistle blower connected with the Senate Intelligence Committee almost certainly staffer. Reported. To NBC. News that in that redacted annex. Say. That included criminal referrals to the department. I cannot emphasize strongly enough the Republican Senate Intelligence Committee made criminal referrals to the Department of Justice of Donald Trump Junior. Jared, Kushner Steve Bannon, put a pin in that Eric Prince and trump co-chair Sam Clovis that may be the only name that you don't recognize on that list to federal prosecutors at the Department of Justice in two, thousand, nineteen passing along, and again here I'm quoting from NBC news quote passing along their suspicions that the men may have misled the committee during their testimony end of quote, you might ask what did the Department of Justice why didn't we hear about this? And the answer is that would be at a time in which bill bar was attorney general what do you know? So the black hole and we'll never. It, what those referrals were made by the Republicans in the Senate Intelligence Committee. So just remember that when you hear re remember these names, right because they all do know but in particular Marco Rubio Ben Sasse John Cornyn who's in a tight race in Texas Tom Cotton WHO's. A racist nitwit. Roy Blunt from Missouri and James Risch from Idaho. They know that Donald Trump's son son-in-law and top campaign officials committed crimes or I should say to be fair. To. Steal me on the other side as much as you possibly can that there is significant evidence that they committed crimes. They made a criminal referral to the Department of Justice that was swept under the rug by Bill Barham. it's worse than that Ron, Wyden. Senator notes on page nine, forty, nine that quote significant aspects of the story remain hidden from the American public information related to Paul Manafort's interactions with Constantine Nick Russian intelligence operative particularly in April Twentieth Sixteen are the subject of extensive reductions and it's true. You can go back and look and see like their huge pages. Blacked out under the section about Manafort a I should mention, Paul. MANAFORT's name appears one, thousand, two, hundred, Sixty, seven times. In this report, it is on virtually every page from pages twenty, seven through one, hundred, sixty, nine, and the allegations are way more explicit than in the Miller report but corroborative of that which was found in the Miller report, and that is that Paul, that Paul Manafort as the chairman of the. Donald Trump for president campaign leaked polling information and campaign strategy information to a Russian operative while the campaign was receiving assistance from Russian operatives who had as their goal, the election of Donald Trump. That's weird. It sounds like this report found evidence of collusion. We are kind of does doesn't it? Yeah that is paid. That is be one, seventy, two, one, seventy, one at the at the very end of that It's it is clear as Kushner. This report also and nobody has really reported this. This. Also has extensive evidence regarding the other key aspect of the Muller report, which is obstruction of justice, and here I'm going to read and I want you to remember i Richard Burr right Republican from North Carolina and then Marco Rubio wrote these sections quote. The committee anticipated that it could face executive privilege claims from the Obama administration officials who testified about actions. They took as part of the National Security Council or conversations they had with President Obama about Russian interference. In practice though Obama administration officials freely shared their conversations with then. President Obama NBC either related to the Russia threat. The committee heard testimony from Susan Rice Dennis, McDonough Michael Michael Daniel Celeste Wall under Jay Johnson then roads Samantha power. Loretta Lynch Sally, Yates and Lisa Monaco among others. This testimony provided useful insights into the history of interactions between the Obama Administration and the Russian government which informed the committee's report needless to say these Republicans would not fall over themselves complementing the Obama Administration if that did not happen and you might imagine, Hey, boy, we expected Obama to stiff us. What about? Donald trump quote. The committee did not anticipate however the multitude of novel and unprecedented. Potential executive privilege claims from the White House counsel's office on behalf of members of president. Trump's transition team and the transition itself for communications before trump took office the committee was surprised but I I want to read this I. Know I'm reading a lot. This is a sentence written by the Republican Senate Committee. Quote the committee was surprised by these assertions because they were made inconsistently and because they have no basis in law and. They then detail. So I the trump administration raised frivolous claims of privilege about the transition team that is Michael Flynn and others talking to Russia in violation of the law in December of Twenty Sixteen when Donald Trump was not the president there are then frivolous claims and evidence of outright obstruction including an unsubstantiated joint defense agreement that was never produced to the committee. They just said, we have this joint defense agreement, so we can't talk about it. That could be entirely fabricated. So then on page seventeen, they note due to time and resource considerations. The committee opted not to further pursue its inquiry into potentially obstructive conduct under this alleged jd umbrella doing so would have likely required initiating litigation over subpoenaed compliance, a process that may not have resolved in time to be of investigative value. So again, translating from Legalese, this is the Republicans on the Senate Intelligence Committee saying yeah. The trump administration lied to us about imaginary privilege then claimed an imaginary joint defense agreement that they never produced to US stonewalled us with us to produce witnesses. We could have gone after them, but they would have just stiffed us and it would have made us go to court and that would have taken years and we wouldn't have been able to produce this report before the twenty twenty election. That's their defense. Yeah. Sitting there thinking like how did this even get published like could they have not I mean Republicans control they. So they they do and and again it's because Donald trump will not be president forever you know is that what it is or is it just that they think like their top line defense will be compelling enough that they? I don't I mean look if you're Marco Rubio and you have the demented belief that you will be president of the United States someday you are trying to walk that tightrope between not losing the Republican Party now, by failing to be trump's lapdog but also recognizing donald trump is probably not going to be remembered in history as anything other than a criminal and. So so this is Rubio. Talking at both sides of his mouth they have released the report and look again it's hard to steal. Ma'am. These guys But you may recall that I picked Richard Burr as you know, the the gatekeeper to Yodel mountain like I. I think there is a level like it's hard to defend the way in which they have got on board and lined up behind Donald. Trump. I do think that there is some level at which like they might feel a twinge not nearly enough, but they might feel a twinge of guilt. Maybe, it's a bad thing that we ladimir Putin sabotage day. Already, we're deep past that all that matters. He loses that's all the matters and maybe, and maybe if polling looks bad enough maybe they'll try to jump ship a little bit before just trying to. Try to look like they had some integrity I you know it's November I and I. I think maybe I don't like this. Donald trump you know, yep okay. You took you till now that's all that matters they only care about whether or not. He can win for them or or his voters will come out. That's all they care about I certainly wouldn't argue too strenuously without I'm trying to do my best to steal me on the other side. Oh. One more thing. The witnesses that Donald Trump did allow to cooperate with the Senate intelligence investigation all took the fifth. So. So the Intelligence Committee report notes the Committee Attempted Interview Rick Gates Mike Flynn George Popadopoulos reengaged Paul Manafort and Sam Patten all five individuals asserted their fifth amendment privilege against self incrimination in response to subpoenas and or voluntary requests for interviews. The committee held a business meeting to consider granting immunity to those guys right which that's a new fact but the vote failed and the committee did not consider granting immunity again no details on that I have a pretty good idea how that vote fail. So there you go the Republican Senate Intelligence Committee report confirms that Russia actively engaged in efforts that were known by the. Trump administration and assisted by the trump administration and undermining the two thousand election and in attempting to figure out just how bad it was. 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What happened I know it's you've had all of five seconds to digest this What's going on here I'm GonNa, explain exactly what happened which is bizarre in the extreme I will tell you other than the general environment of of gripped and graft right both senses of of those words that was created by Donald Trump's draining the swamp and In particular taking advantage of the stupidest segment of trump donors. This has nothing to do with the president of the United States other than again the President United States. To to run his campaign so Yeah. So Steve Bannon was indicted along with three other individuals today. For, on one count of wire fraud and one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud, which we're going to get into that the individuals are Brian Co Fay Jr, who is a triple amputee and big time trump supporter. Andrew bottle auto somebody that we know nothing about and. When I first saw this I cannot tell you. Another criminal named Timothy Shay. Not the Tim Shea who was at the Department of Justice who signed off on. The Forty Eight motion to dismiss Michael Flynn but a different tim? Show. Tracking that down was fun this morning. This is I I to be super clear about this at the top. This is a federal indictment coming out of the United States just record for the southern district of New York and the grand jury impaneled in that court and the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of new. York. And you might say wait isn't that the Department of Justice don't they report to Attorney General Bill Bar the answer to that is yes. So these are federal crimes they are crimes for which the President May. Eventually Pardon Steve, Bannon? Wow. But really I don't know yet who knows right because the the very first question I asked and I asked a lot of people. This was how the hell did this get passed bill bar I mean we just talked about in the last segment, how Bill Bar managed to make criminal referrals of Donald Trump junior and that gang which included Steve Bannon go away I mean, let's not let's not let this be unsaid. Effectively just letting crime be okay for a bunch of people nice. Yes had, and again, if you WANNA stealing the other side prosecutorial discretion is is part of the job. I don't think anybody could fairly say that bill bar is doing that In, line with typical standard, which by the way are set forth in considerable detail in the DOJ manual right like you are directed not to prosecute a case when right prosecution would take tremendous resources and you don't have a good shot of winning and all, and it is clear that what bill bar is doing is putting his thumb on the scale of justice in favor of Donald Trump's friends and family members. So So why not here? The, best answer I got was from our good buddy Randall Eliason who says two possibilities. One is at the southern district just brought the case without notifying the main department. Of Justice, he says that's probably unlikely. But I would add that one of the things that would tend to corroborate that is that the press release surrounding the indictment makes it clear that The arrests, the unsealing of the indictment and the investigation were all conducted without notifying the FBI in fact, the press release. Thanks The New York. Field Office of the United States postal inspection service right because again, this wire fraud. So it technically, which is using the males so you could technically use. The Postal Inspection Service to facilitate the arrest and That gives rise to an inference that maybe this was not signed off on this. Oh. Greg. that. The Post. Office is going to become like the heroes of law and order that we needed like gate is that not amazing It is it is truly delightful back the blue everybody SDN. SDS back pack the blue, the post office. Yeah. Sdn Y. Go and Roque I'm going to quote from Professor Allies and again second is that even bars only willing to go so far he tried to put his own guy in place and that and that you may remember when Donald Trump first announced that he was firing Jeffrey Berman, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York by the way Republican right but the speculation was at the time. Berman had conducted had opened several investigations into Rudy Giuliani and his associates, and so this was clearly viewed as retaliation and Berman said nope. You can't fire me because trump had said I'm going to fire him and I'm going to replace him with Jay Clayton the head of the SEC and somebody who is not qualified to run the the southern district of New York and and fro someone whom we can infer is a trump toady. Then bill bar actually had to walk that back and said okay. If you resign will allow the next senior person who is Audrey Strauss to become acting us attorney for the southern district of new. York. Until we can confirm somebody through the Senate. That's what happened in Burma said Okay I. Agree I. Have talked to several prosecutors in the Department of Justice who obviously. Need to remain anonymous and they. They've all told me the same story, which is a tremendously good things about Audrey Strauss. So Berman said, Hey I'll let you push me out. But only if you let Strauss takeover and and ultimately they did I guess hoping that that might take some of the wind out of the sales of some of the stuff that Berman was doing and and so it may be that having failed to do that. That, they'll bar was kind of unwilling to try and take a third bite at the apple. Professionalize goes on to say it's a far different and more difficult thing to kill a prosecution being recommended by an independent career. US. Attorney word would get out and the consequences would probably be worse for trump than the indictment so. There you go. That's the That's the the the inside political potential mackin. Now what did Steve Bannon and do? This is delightful. The four Amigos here. Wolf. Age bannon battle Lotto and Tim Shea. Got Together, to start a crowdfunding campaign right and that was called, we build the wall and the initial representation on the crowd funding website, and again, I just haven't looked to see which one it is and the indictment doesn't specify. So I'm going to continue to use the language of the of the indictment because I don't know if this go fund me or one of the I think it was but I don't WanNa lie book go fund me so. I'll continue to say crowdfunding. So they started this, we build the wall and they said. What we're GONNA do with we build the wall is we are going to donate that money to the US government for building the wall right here so that they don't have to raise your taxes and that started on around December seventeenth of twenty eighteen, and it said one hundred percent of your donations will be given to the government for the construction of a wall, and if the campaign could not attain its goal, it would refund every single penny. Are you telling me these right wingers just invented taxes yes. Cool. In, he will will provide the service of giving your money to the government for you, but it is a private enterprise not yeah not taxes. Rubber knows it could be proud. So. From Idiot How many idiots do you? Already seen the screen shots. So Ah too many. This would raise twenty seven dollars and thirty cents blue. The amount of buddies yeah. They raised within a week they raised seventeen million dollars right and when I compare that to our patriotism of you guys sprite. We clearly are in the wrong business. We all know this is not funny as for go fund me is for providing medical care to people who don't have health insurance. But maybe if they put together a smart enough media campaign, they can maybe get some donations to get healthcare. That's how it should work. So that was satire we live in a Dystopia I'm just we we do yet. So they raised more than twenty million bucks and then go fund me or the crowdfunding website I should say said We don't think you could actually give this money to the federal government. So we're going to refund everybody's money unless you do something that we can actually do so they brought in Steve? Bannon. This is so the so the first one I should say was just coalface, right? All right. Yeah, and coalfields and Shea. started the first. We build the wall that said, we're GONNA raise a billion dollars, give it to the government they're going to build the wall. Then go fund me or the crowd funding website said That's not a thing you can do on our website so unless you can find. A nonprofit that you can give the money to we're going to reverse everybody's charges. These drifters did not want everybody's charges being. So they also wanted to profit but yeah, we're going to get there. So they brought in Steve Bannon and Steve Bannon with days of becoming involved created a new five. Oh, one C. Four. and. Again, footnote to that. As, as we have discussed on the show, the difference between if I've a one C three and a five, Oh, one C. Four is that he five? Oh, one. C.. Four can engage in political lobbying. Why you would need to make this, a C. Four is not even in the indictment, right? I assume it is to facilitate also spending the money on. ADS FOR DONALD TRUMP right but but I don't know because the indictment doesn't say but it's weird like if if you were GonNa make a either re real or a fake charity to build the wall. You would make it a AC- three not a C. Four anyway. So they made a new C. Four called we build the Wall Inc.. which would continue fundraising activities quote with the modified purpose of funding the private construction of a wall along the southern border of the United States and of quote. So then. The gang of four went back to. Their crowdfunding website and said, okay, we're going to rewrite. There were no longer get a promise that the funds we made are going to be given to the government. The funds we raise are going to be used to hire private contractors to actually build the wall by the way the crowd funding website said, okay, that's totally fine you. You can. You can do that. In the course of converting. Their first website into the second website the one constraint that the crowd funding website put on them was the donors would have to opt in. Right. So in other words, everybody who gave money the first time you'd have to send him an email and they would have to say, yeah, it's okay to use that. To actually build the wall instead of gift to the government to build the wall. So they did all that. So basically, like not only did they raise over twenty million dollars the first time, but they basically raised it twice and as part of doing so they repeatedly represented that. Coalface would take no salary or compensation that one hundred percent of the money would be used to build the wall. Then the indictment very dryly notes contrary to the representations both donors onto the website, the gang of four work together to misappropriate hundreds of thousands of dollars from those funds for their personal benefit and and in fact, that is what happened that. That, this was a giant scam operation that despite promising, not to take a penny in salary that fake drew a twenty thousand dollar, a month salary that in addition to all of the money that was put out in this is paragraph twenty three is is really the culmination of the graft Kofi the defendant received more than three hundred, fifty, thousand dollars in donor funds from re we build. The Wall all past indirectly at the direction and with the assistance of Steve, Bannon and a lot of in Tim. Shea the defendants through various show companies that were created by Steve Bannon. One of which is an outfit nonprofit. One Shell Company is referred to repeatedly in the indictment is an outfit called citizens of the American Republic, Dot Org which is Steve Bannon outfit to quote advanced the ideals of. Nationalism and American sovereignty through a combination of ideas, communication and action. So yeah, he even when Steve bannon creates fictitious shell entities to launder money, they're white nationalist fictitious shell entities to launder money like it. It is hard to imagine just done one that was like Walls Inc.. Like Michael Collins essential consultant sell see. Yeah. No no no he's got a standing at Angles L.. That citizens of the American Republic received over a million dollars from we build the wall and like any good money launderer. Right some of it was used to pay co fridge right his three hundred and fifty thousand dollars and and stuff, and when I say stuff I mean. Again. Here quote home renovations payments toward a boat, a luxury SUV, a golf cart jewelry cosmetic surgery, personal tax payments, and credit card debts. Thing where they essentially just set up shell companies and they say, well, we're contrast. So this main five Oh, one, C. Four is totally legit like they're just one hundred percent wall building white nationalist enterprises. It's just totally what we charge people for we charge people to you know be racist and and build a wall that stupid and does nothing is just a monument to racism. So that's totally legit but you know we're. Using, the following contractors to help help us along the that goal, and then those contracting companies are the ones where this is just basic fraud, right? Mean those are the companies where the people are also double dealing and and are taking salaries from those companies and trying to make it look like it's just normal companies contracting with. That's exactly right and the way that you figure out who those companies are. The indictment will list those. You know nonprofit one, you know. Individual one who happened to be elected president, right like we've seen that before. But but the way in which you can figure it out is you go down to the bottom bright read Rita complaint backwards and indictment is the same way and you read the forfeiture allegations, right? Because one of the things you want to do in a criminal. Indictment is to say, Oh, well, we want to get all the money back that you stole right and so that's asset forfeiture and they have to specify what it is that they want to get back right so it will say, right There's this account with this account number in the name of we build the wall ink and then you start reading down in it says this wells Fargo Bank account held in the name of citizens of the American republic this one in the name of ranch property marketing and management. How about freedom daily. Llc I medical LLC America first. Medical LLC my favorite white nights and Volker. Let's see. So, yes. So those are all the shell companies that that that got distributions and this is where you also see the details on the goodies that were. Laundered out to Kofi which include a twenty eighteen land. Rover Range Rover. And remember that boat that is a twenty nineteen Jupiter Marine boat near the warfighter. So they didn't build a wall, but they did buy that dude a boat. So I mentioned all of these are allegations they are not yet proven in a court of law. We could include the the word alleged in front of all of these criminals that this has been referred out by grand jury. The indictment was under understood was under seal and until unsealed this morning when all four were arrested and. Four the CAP. On all of this, I have another twenty minutes on this but I'm only going to give you twenty seconds. Steve Bannon was arrested at sea. He was on a boat he was on a boat. Owned by Chinese billionaire named Quo Wangui, and I apologize for almost certainly mingling that name who in July of Twenty twenty with the assistance of. Steve. Bannon. declared a brand new sovereign nation called the new federal state of China who so goal is to overthrow the? Chinese. Government. as the fake Chinese government in exile from Guo's boat going we by the way is a member of mar-a-lago. Course, of course. and. This was not we say boat. You know like like I'm on a boat is a thirty, five, million dollar yacht. And bannon apparently had. been at sea for a couple of weeks on this yacht. That is a sovereign nation quote unquote the new federal state what China Not GonNa protect you in those postal workers come to. The only. Law Enforcement in this country hits Oh my God I want is picture one of them like ropes in a shoots like letters like to to you know like that's the. Choice. And they put them in a big mail bag. Giant SORTA, this is the comic, the action kind of comic book we need right now as the boys in blue. It I. I love that more that everything. So thanks as always to Intrepid firm Associate Morgan Stringer who uncovered all the Guo Wangui connections which are amazing and really right in her area of expertise of the law. So it's it's absolutely bonkers I. Love It. How bad is this going to be the abandoned super-duper bad. So wire fraud eighteen USC section thirteen, forty three, and it says whoever having devised or intending to devise any schemer artifice to defraud or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses who then causes that to be transmitted by means of wire radio or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, and yes, that includes email. Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years or both. So Yeah. Really really serious felony the kind for which people go to prison for a real long time over and if the allegations are true and sherlock like it, Steve Bannon is potentially in a heap of trouble Again, Ken Donald Trump Party bannon he can write at it again we. Don't elect a criminal president of the United States if you don't want this to happen. But but I will point out that the trump is entirely federal charges. They are entirely federal charges it is possible that you may get some parallel state charges but wire fraud right because of the whole interstate commerce thing is sort of by definition a federal charge but I don't know that Donald Trump. DONALD TRUMP YEAH I don't know that you necessarily will pardon him may be on the way out. Maybe, in the lame duck is, is that taking over the role of negative Ron Randall licenses. Don't don't underestimate the lame duck session and I was like thanks negative on. But you know. Trump did the legwork he never wavered on Flint and stone right said Oh these are you know great Americans who were being railroaded by the aluminum body subject to the reverse Vampires Lizard trump has already thrown Steve Bannon under the bus right? Like He. He gave an interview in which he said while he was basically you know like the the coffee boy. At somebody like wasn't he your campaign literally was in charge for a minute trump was like out. You know what's what's a campaign? Pain had a lot of coffee like there was always coffee available for everybody based on trump's later telling. People he's had to say he's a coffee boy lot of coffee suspiciously high number of coffee voice. We're in that campaign. So we'll see but. Look let's go back to that Senate Intelligence Committee Report Steve. Bannon is mentioned two hundred and ninety times in that report Steve Steve Bannon was. Part of the overall scheme and so you know is there potential leverage I don't know We're going to have to see how this unfolded. There is absolutely no connection between Steve Bannon's gripped here and the trump campaign other than people's in that Donald Trump. Yeah Is there the potential for this to interact with the other criminal stuff Steve Bannon? Did for Donald, trump you know only time will tell. All right. Well, you know happy. No for once. I just I just picture those post office police they put themselves in some packages, some boxes and just by your door and just wait. I think is another way they could get you. You've been served I duNno whatever we'll work on it. We'll work on the comic book but that that is a heartwarming tale again couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. And now it's time to think our new patrons at Patriot. Dot Com slash law enjoying the lot of movies all kinds of perks every month we make it worth your while we. 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He the triangle I think would be a challenge. You can take like one of Neil pertz seventy, five piece yet. Oh, percussion that he used and just take one of it, and then like you hit that when it comes up, I, think maybe that would work. In fairness, I would probably screw up trialled port. Deal Pertz kid is amazing it. Good Times. All Right Kim History Lewis Saldana Crystal Barnes motion to put the witness in a Hogan. Atlas shrugged saw what's happening shook his head and voted blue. I'll listen to rush every day for the rest of my life to not have to listen to Ted. Cruz. Again, another rush name, but we like rush rush is fun to listen to supporting a puzzle thunderstorms legal fees. And Lynn Win or new yen I know that a lot of people pronounce that name differently. I had several friends in college with the last name wind and it felt like they all pronounced it differently. So I did my best one of those pronunciations that's. The. Oh no social this firm has ever failed the bar exam. No kidding. And now, it's time to dual t three. B The return. cannily. And this you almost got this one last week, which would have just been truly a appropriate, but you know. Better late than Never Thomas a state law that restricted abortion was challenged in state court as a violation of the due process clause of the fourteenth amendment to the Constitution and as a violation of a similar due process provisions of the Constitution as it's going to be our one weird state trick. Okay. The case made its way to the state's highest court, which ruled that the law violated the due process provisions of both the US and the state constitution has kind of sounds like it if petition to do. So may the US Supreme Court exercised jurisdiction to review the State Court Decision? So a no, because the state decision in this case rests on adequate and independent state law grounds. Be No because the US Supreme. Court has appellate jurisdiction only over State Court decisions that determine the constitutionality of federal laws. See. Yes because the US Supreme Court has appellate jurisdiction over any ruling of a state's highest court based on interpretation of federal law or D. Yes. Because the US Supreme Court has appellate jurisdiction decisions that find state laws in violation of the Federal Constitution. This sounds like our one weird trick where like when you're using the you know the state constitution than like it I remember you explaining though is somehow immune from the the supreme court reviewing it, but I'm also worried because I. Every single answer seems plausible to me Okay State Law. Challenged. So they challenge it on Fourteenth Amendment and similar due process provisions of the State Constitution? So the state the case goes to the High Court the State's highest court which ruled that the law violated due process provisions of both the State Constitution. So you would think that'd be case closed I. Don't, but I don't know if there's some kind of weird thing where like somehow the Supreme Court can review just the the constitution part of it. You know like I dunno I I. Hope this is the one weird trick where they can't. So I'm leaning toward a no answer. Okay. Here we go. Let's try this. So a so it's made the Supreme Court exercised jurisdiction to review the State Court decision a no because the state court decision. This case rests on adequate and independent state law grounds. Certainly plausible answer be no because the Supreme Court has appellate jurisdiction only over State Court decisions that determine the constitutionality of federal. Laws State, court decisions that determine the constitutionality of federal laws. You know now that I read that that seems like nonsense to me I think I read it wrong the first time am I nuts why would you ever have a state court? Say this federal laws unconstitutional I think he might be nonsense or I'm having an aneurism one of the other both So I'M GONNA okay. The very least I'm an eliminate B. C., yes because the US Supreme Court Has Appellate Jurisdiction over any ruling of a state's highest court based on an interpretation of federal law. That's possible. You know because like it's it's in there with it like the the case also was based on the Fourteenth Amendment Etcetera. Etcetera. So that that seems plausible. Okay. Finally de Yes because the US Supreme Court has appellate jurisdiction over decisions that find state laws in violation of the federal. Constitution. That sounds Kinda. The same. So I guess in looking between C.. And D. C. is more broad. You know saying it has jurisdiction over any ruling of the state's highest court based on interpretation of federal law. Maybe you know maybe if I were a smarter lawyer, I would know that there's some sort of exception you know that would make because at sea is very broad language. Maybe there's some exception that would make see not true whereas D is essentially effectively in this case I think saying the same thing but let more. Specifics. So saying it has appellate jurisdiction for decisions that find state laws in violation of the federal. Constitution that certainly makes sense to me that sounds like a you know cases that the Supreme Court here's all the time. So de seems fine but again, is it the one where trick is the fact that it's both the US end state constitution or did the one weird trick depend on only challenging based on the state constitution that's what that's what I don't know. So like. If whoever filed this case says no, we don't even care about the fourteenth amendment we are just. Trying to argue that this is a violation of the state constitution I think that's the one. Weird. Got This is impossible. I think that the problem here is that since it violated both I think the Supreme Court can can review that part of it. You would think if that's the case I'm looking at all so I think as plausible answer and then I guess if I'm looking for a plausible yes answer would be between C. and D. and since. See was really broad de seems like the most straightforward and kind of narrow. Yes. Answer. So I think I'm between amd a tough one. I think this is our one weird trick but they did it wrong because they shouldn't have bothered with the fourteenth amendment possibly I think. So I'M GONNA. Say D- Yes because of the reasons it says that did it because it found the state law in violation of the Federal Constitution the Supreme Court has the right to exercise jurisdiction to review that case. D. Final answer it's between a and D for me. There you go. 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Gayle King | Ex-Trump Adviser Steve Bannon Arrested and Charged with Fraud: A Closer Look
"To eighteen year olds from Arizona were arrested earlier this week for allegedly trying to cross the border with almost two million dollars. Worth of drugs officials. I became suspicious when they saw two people outside an August. Recorded from locations that are not Thirty Rockefeller Plaza please enjoy podcast edition of late night with Seth Meyers on today's show. Sept. Chatswood Journalists Gayle King but I taught closer. Look. Yet. Another of the president's close confidants is former campaign manager and chief strategist was arrested today for awhile scam that capture. So much of what's rotten about trumpism for more on this it's time for a closer look. Don't need to tell you guys that everything's bad and good news is very rare but when it does come along why not gorge ourselves on it even comes later in the day causing you to rip up a Finnish closer look and start from scratch. Hey, you guys remember Steve Bannon the white nationalist slash giant pimple ran trump's campaign then worked in his White House and help engineers such. Odious policies is the Muslim ban and who publicly defended the horrific family separation policy often were to shirts when one would have sufficed, you know the due to wet a crazy person whiteboard in his office with policies scrawled on it like suspend immigration from terror prone regions implement new extreme vetting techniques, and suspend the Syrian refugee program of shocked also include Brunch with slender man and kill the Batman. Steve Bannon the gentleman who currently looks like a guy selling exotic reptiles on the Venice Beach Boardwalk see ban wasn't born. He just burst out of someone's chest cuanto style. He looks like a where are they? Now about the face melt skeleton from raiders lost art at this it's like if the crypt keeper spent a month in a tanning booth well now that we Piled on, we can move on Oh wait I forgot one more thing you guys he got arrested just coming out from the southern district of New York saying that Steve Bannon and three other men have been arrested and indicted in charge in relation to their role. In a nonprofit organization called, we build the wall to crowdfunding organization that the SDN says has raised. About, twenty five million dollars for wall related funding What the indictment here is alleging is that ban these others were skimming some of the proceeds from that fundraising themselves even though they had suggested publicly that there this was a volunteer organization and they were not taking salaries Steve Bannon through a nonprofit organization under his control nonprofit one as its. Referred to here in the document received over one million dollars from we build the wall at least some of which they say bannon used to cover hundreds of thousands of dollars in his own personal expenses. You know it's been a brutal six months. So I'm GonNa, main lines and Shod Broil line that up on Mir and give me a dollar bill to snort it with. Woo Seriously did prosecutors gnome this was our last summer show and the captain's quarters because this is a fantastic parting gift. That's right. Steve Bannon was arrested for allegedly skimming a million dollars from a scam charity claim to be raising money to build the southern border wall. This is the perfect encapsulation of the trump era from beginning to end the wall was a nonstop scam trump scam to supporters by telling them Mexico pay for it. Then we ended up paying for it then this. Baked Potato Fabio over here city to raise money for it. Then he scammed everyone again by allegedly skimming money from it, it's a Russian nesting Vela fraud. I. Can't wait until Bannon raises money for his Legal Defense Fund and we find out he lost all the racetrack surplus. We would love you to leave your scaring the horses and his NBC's p Williams reported today. It's pretty obvious. This thing was a scam from the jump according to court documents this we build the wall thing came and flamed out very quickly according to the court documents. The founder of it this this man Brian Cole Fog said that he would not take any of the money that it was entirely volunteer effort but it said he did take a lot of money and as for Steve Bannon. It says, he formed a nonprofit organization that he controlled. It received about a million dollars from this crowd funding effort some of which the justice. Department says he used to cover and I'm quoting here now hundreds of thousands of dollars in Bannon's personal expenses the court documents basically say that this thing was pretty suspect from almost from the beginning. Mean, of course, it was a crowd source fundraiser to build. Wall in the middle of the desert, the only way it could have been a more obvious scam if they offered Free Boehner pills that donation, the thing was one rung below those companies that claim to name a star after you. Oh, yeah. That up there is a that's a Dan. Then we five thousand bucks cash only the details of this arrest or just absolutely incredible. Every little tidbit is better than the last example according to CNN bannon was arrested on a both. Thursday off the eastern coast of Connecticut by federal agents along with officials from the United States postal inspection service, he got arrested on a boat by the postal service, the postal service as a navy. Please tell me it's just a mail truck with a giant cannon. Nothing is more fun than imagining a bunch of postal service inspectors in their short short, sporting a yacht and arresting Steve Bannon and a dramatic high seas sting operation swinging down on a rope carrying letter openers. Never been a CSI post office something tells me David Caruso would definitely come back for that. Looks like this baggage has been. Returned to sender. After put on glasses very delicately like this. While he was still hold them seriously think about how perfect this is the same public agency trump is currently trying to destroy one of the most cherished public institutions in America arrested his former campaign manager for allegedly skimming money from a fundraiser for their scam border wall two days. After we found out trump's previous campaign manager colluded with Russian intelligence. It's like the end of the summer TV season in they're wrapping up all the story arcs at once this really is such perfect encapsulation and. TRUMPISM saw giant gift ban was getting rich and so has trump the dudes constantly his properties lobbyists in foreign officials, status hotels to curry favor his sons are going around the world drumming up new business. They're all fat in their Walton. Dolan. Cash they're rich buddies while they take health insurance and unemployment benefits away from millions of Americans are suffering out of work trump was asked this afternoon about Bannon's arrest and all I could muster was this I think it's a very sad thing for. Mr Bannon I think it's surprising. Oh, really surprised. Trump's probably just surprised bannon had the idea before him jewelry and a boat how come I don't have a boat my look great flapping in the breeze trumpet seem to offer some kind words for Bannon I. DO think it's a sad at and again Steve has had a great career goeman shocked no Goldman Sachs. Well, that's surprise. Those guys have never done anything untoward. Saying he was in the mob I'm shocked had such a great career in sanitation. Why would you just throw that away? Seriously, this point trump has enough criminals around him for Ocean's eleven remake of course, that movie would then ten minutes after trump gets the team together and one of them livestream that on facebook. Okay. That's the top secret plan Levy I can't help. But as you're making your friend facing video right now and it seems like. On the beeps they're coming out of your phone, you get live feedback on it. These guys just cycle through one scam after another remember even before he became president thanks to not one but two criminal conspiracies on his behalf then got impeached for trying to orchestrate another one he settled a fraud lawsuit over trump university is charity was dissolved for misusing finds he was even sued over a scam. Vitamin Company, and now he's doing it all over again president trump says to the White House is looking into a new unproven corona virus treatment called only andrine it's made from the oleander plant. It's extremely toxic. It's been used in corona virus trials involving monkeys, but it's been never tested on people. Yet, just something that people are talking about very strongly we'll look at it. We'll look at it. Well, look at a lot of different things. First of all anytime he has trump a question about anything. He's GonNa respond by saying we're looking at it. He'll never admit he doesn't know what you're talking about. It's why he will never fall for a prank. Trump sir, does it smell like up dog in here? He would say people are saying it and we're looking at it very strongly if you get up Doug. We, look. Down Doug we're looking at all of the directions. You know we have the best dog in the world. A lot of people a lot of people say you're hearing more and more trump. Very, little news. Above. Me Myself. Choke doing trump impression. So now trump is touting a plant extract to cure corona virus. Honestly it's only a matter of time before he shows up in the White House lawn with crystals in a dream Catcher, the guy will fall for literally any old person scam I'm convinced the only way we'll him out of the White House's by selling them a reverse mortgage and waiting for them to default. dammit. Jamie May. Not, only is only Andrea not a Cova Cure. It's deadly poison. So now he's suggested ingesting bleach hydroxy chloroquine and a deadly plan poison in better combine those three to Bush sudafed and battery acid don't your bear s and it should be totally geared now will not surprise you to learn trump didn't get from Dr One of his actual medical experts and works for him. He got it from yet another one many snake oil salesman he surrounds himself with Mike Lindell is the CEO and founder mypillow he's. Also the chair president trump's reelection campaign in Minnesota he reportedly helped arrange Oval Office meeting with the President July about Oleander Lindell's tells cnn the president was enthusiastic just for our viewers you have no medical background. You're not a scientist, a guy called you in. April said he had this product you are now on the board and going to make money from the sale of this product. Known reason he went out to you is because you have the ear of the president so you meeting with the President and Having to sleep at safe. Anderson that's your narrative. Why would I do this? Ask yourself why would my reputation if I did? You don't have a great nation. Yeah. My pillow things he has a great reputation though when people know you as the my pillow guy, instead your actual name, you don't have a great reputation, just one run of keyboard cat. The cat's name. With. Keyboard cat. I don't think it was. This is like the question Mark Guy Demanding a table at the palm screaming DOJ you know who I am. So the my pillow guy has the ear of the president and his pushing him to advertise a deadly plant toxin as a cure for coronavirus this guy. I mean he's just dead set on put people to sleep one way or the other we're living inside. Three an infomercial, we can't give you ventilators or unemployment benefits, but every American will be getting a shake weight and slang. What all this proves is the country is currently being ruined by a deranged political coalition that's capable of governing and is interested only enriching himself at the expense of voters, and now they left the country in ruins while they're lining their own pockets. Thousand Americans are dying a day tens of millions out of work and many more suffering in the president's cronies are cashing in with boats and jewelries and hawking scam plant toxins. Donald trump badly botched the response to a deadly plague. That has left one, hundred, seventy, thousand Americans dead caused the worst economic crash since the Great Depression we have. Outbreaks schools parents don't know what to do about childcare veterans aren't getting their prescriptions in the mail everything from the school system to the post office broken the post office. We had to come together to save the post office. It's like something out of eighteen comedy come on guys. If we win battle the, we can use the money to save the post office WHOA is it just me cannot where we'll play guitar trump is not unique any non anomaly bannon and the my pillow guy, all the Republicans enabling them prove that they're all trump and the only way out of this mess. Thorough national rejection of their toxic ideology won't save anything but it is a start, and if that doesn't work I guess we can just rely on the postal service to take him down after all of today's news is any indication it's good talking about very strongly this been closer look. Our guest is an emmy winning journalist Coho CBS this morning weekdays she's also the editor at large of o, the Oprah magazine and her Sirius Xm show gayle king in the house airs. Thursdays on Stars Channel One. Oh, nine. Here's my conversation with Gayle King Gail Welcome back. How are you? Hello South? I'm so glad to be here. I'm hanging in there just like everybody. Is trying to figure out what what what's up what's down. I don't know just go to return to the studio a you back in studio. Now for a little bit doing CBS this morning, you were doing the show remotely maybe the best place to do it, which was Oprah's house in California that's take that back. It's called the Santa Barbara or bureau that's what it off. For bureaus. A Guest House which is very lovely place. So you're right. We had great accommodations. You'll be you'll be not surprised to know she's a lovely host. He would bring food every day it was wonderful but there you I know you know this too. It's great to be back in the studio at the table you know their. Number one I hate delays. I'm still have trouble mastering that and there's something about being able to look at Anthony in the face or Tony in the face. Look at the crew I. Love The crew I love. Grew. So to be able to feed off of that, energy is really really means a lot to me. So I'm thrilled to be back in the studio Daria I'm. Thrilled. To be back, I am very much looking forward to be surrounded by. Him I have missed that You I've been watching. You been doing a okay. You've been managing managing. I want to ask him because I believe that Oprah indestructible but she actually took a quarantine very seriously From the beginning. This girl was not playing around. I, mean to her in her defense because people's guide she seems a little extra. She goes really isn't that necessary she had pneumonia in January she has talked about it. So she still has underlying conditions that she's still very concerned about. So listen steadman her partner of thirty four years he had been traveling before it hit he had been in three airports he had to quarantine for fourteen days. This may sound extra but sadie her dog had to quarantine from days after stadium had gone to the Bat, not watching on the Monitor in the beds mask fell down and so she's how. About that sadie might have been exposed sadie spine, but she'd seen. That day about dogs and get it I. Think I said Sadie really is okay. said he was. In origin. So when I came I had to quarantine for fourteen. It looks I'm not even mad I. Get it I get it. Yeah. The rules and those those dog cones corona virus. Captures. The opposite of masks. Anyway 'cause near you just as like absorbing. Through that so If I get more serious for a moment you are the editor at large. For, the Oprah magazine and you guys made a really fascinating touching decision I put Briana Taylor on cover. This is the first time that Oprah has not been on covers. Agassi. How did you come decision? Death Listen the magazine by the way celebrating his twentieth anniversary. So this was a big big big deal. She's been on the cover or with other people like Michelle Obama Ellen Degeneres Rosie O'Donnell meadows. So she shared it covered, but I could probably count on lesson both. I many times. It happens. It's never been where no one where she has not been our cover girl but a young editor Dj read suggested it and when I first got the message I thought this is either a really good idea or this is either really horrible Deirdre had just come from a black lives matter protest a young white woman had been at the protest was Gary move by it and said, you know, I, think that we could really do something that it would send a very strong message. So when I heard it, I thought That was sort of all of our reaction. We send it to the Oh of who liked it immediately for her it was like she goes, Oh, I, love this idea and none of us can take an all of us sitting there trying to figure out September covers deirdre was the only one who spoke up and God bless with thinking outside the box, sent the idea, and then it was born and the first thing. I think she did was call. Call Palmer to make sure that it was okay because we didn't want her to feel exploiting it. We didn't cause her unnecessary pain. And she said you have you put it up on billboards in. Louisville which is where we lived one of those billboards I believe just yesterday. was vandalized and then. Imagine how you process seeing something like that me happy with such disrespect. Renault no South we put up twenty-six billboards. That we paid for all around the city of Louisville, because that's of course where it happened to honor her and call for what we believe should be justice in this case, and it just shows you that there's still so much work to be done. That's what it shows. You that somebody would actually throw red paint looking very much like blood I assume in. Their mind across her face I'm happy to tell you though that that was immediately changed. The Billboard Company went right out there and took it down right away. So we were very, very gratified happy that they did that but it just shows you that you know there's still a lot of anger. There's still a lot of hate there's still a lot of distrust. In this country? But. I don't know how anybody could not be. Not. Want Justice listen you not agree on a Taylor story twenty, six years. Old EMT was working on the covert lines who had no criminal record was not even split the police warning supposed to be in her apartment. I mean, it's just it's heartbreaking to me that this is still unresolved for this family. You know we're at this interesting time, which it is You know we have this upheaval of outrage of of protesting. That to calm down a little bit but it does seem to be on the forefront of politics right now you've talked about how these are hard stories to cover, but do you feel like? Their the time to be optimistic about change. I do seth I do listen. It's very discouraging when you hear the news that you just said about aboard when you see people saying out loud in. Very proud. Spewing hatred of their something online right now, an incident California where a woman attacked a park worker with know Berry Racist Slurs. So so I know that it's very much alive but what encourages me is the number of people black and white even John Lewis said this the diversity of the people at the protest, the age of the people at the protests the age of the people that said this is not okay this is not a this is not cool things have got to change so I do feel optimistic and encouraged, but it's still you know I feel that these are very frightening times for all of us for all of us black and white. And it's you this is an issue by the way for all of us to. On have a weekly radio show. Well I don't know where you find the time, but I am jealous of the fact that you have callers in I get the sense that you talkin people are a very wide spectrum of backgrounds in this country. Do you enjoy the back and forth with callers Seth Oh my gosh you know TV news you're not supposed to have it a pig. Backs nothing about the facts it's like dragnet. So listen I'm very well aware that nobody watches CBS this morning to hear my frig opinions I get it but I also know in my job is to give you the news and let you decide for yourself I get that so I don't cross that line but I also know that anybody you see anchoring the news delivering the news talk show people like yourself. We all have opinions we are not robots. So the beauty of what Sirius Xm they reached out to ask me was. I interested I love radio. I've done it before is they want you to engage they I, call my favorite listeners they want you to engage with them and have a good back and forth I. Love when people disagree because I think that you can disagree without being disagreeable without being mean and nasty. So I love the back and forth the give and take and I I like to know what people are thinking and what they're interested in. So I love an aunt set live in the beauty of live is whatever happens happens. Is Very Fun to listen to It's always a I'm someone a put down always wanting to hear your opinions and thank you so much for making time for us today Gail. Thank you. This was spun. Thank you so much for having me back said. Stranger I won't I promise. Late night with Seth Meyers weeknights on NBC twelve thirty, five eleven thirty, five central original music on the late night podcast is by the H. E. Ban don't forget to follow the handle late night set on social media and tell your friends who subscribe to the late night podcast wherever they get their podcasts.
Ep. #519: Steve Bannon, Fareed Zakaria
"Welcome to an. HBO podcast from the HBO Layton Series Real Time With Bill. Maher thank thank you. Thank you guy needed that because I we other rough week I I feel like Nancy. Pelosi's copy of the state of the Union. I the I have all torn up. I tell you can't get around. This was trump's best week ever I mean acquitted state of the Union. He walked in all the Republicans were chanting. USA USA to remind him of the country he works for. It happened this week. No more rules. Trump was acquitted by the Senate. The Republicans got together and I said this was just too important not to get wrong. One dissenting vote and it drove them bucking crazy. Mitt Romney Mitt Romney the shut up. I mean constant searching for some Republicans Xavier but commit was pretty good he said. I don't need to worship trump. I'm Ernie in occult this how you know you're guilty president when a guy who believes in magic underwear and that Jesus Jesus lived in Branson Missouri in your own planet when you die goes boy that was bullshit so mitt is. It is being banished from the Republican Party. He's a traitor. He is a heretic suppressive person. Now it's the other cult now. We are living in the age of revenge. Today John Bolton disappeared and his moustache came up in the mail. I'm just saying if you see trump on fifth avenue with a gun walk the walk. He can pretty much know trump boy. He was Mango mad nine. Go on chain now. He yesterday. Yesterday was the scariest day a ever with him around. There's been a lot but he called in all the members of his extended crime family for this unhinged victory victory speech to just see this and whenever starts bragging you know he winds up just incriminating himself he said had I not fired. James Comey we. I wouldn't be standing here. You're now because he's a cop and you're a crook exactly and then before that. He was at a prayer breakfast and see Pelosi was there and he said I don't like people who say I pray for you because you know she always says well. I'm kind of with about atheist. Get that a lot. I get that a lot I pray for you I always say thank you. I'll send for you. Hey Hey let's not get down too much. There is good. News and articles is sixty five degrees right now which means Braga doctor still looks it really sixty five degrees in at Artika. It was colder this morning. Then Beverly Hills. The world is so upside. I downright I was driving into work. I saw a polar bear with fake tits. Folks speaking of fake tits. It's the Oscars on Sunday. Come on I'll are big day out here in Los Angeles when the most fabulous successful people get just a little more. It's our version of a Republican tax. Cut and I tell you. The red carpet has really changed in the last two years now. The big question is who you accusing. But I am looking forward to the Oscars. I must say as a kind of a diversion from this week and everything that's going on. I'm just glad that the voting putting wasn't handled at the Oscars by the Democratic Party in Iowa. It'd be like in the winter is we'll let you know Thursday. We saw that went on in Iowa boy. Democrats ready on day. They want to trip over their own. Dick you know not. Everything needs in that they would fucked up. The Voting Democrats had had this great idea. Let's give brand new technology to a bunch of ninety year olds voting in a bar. The Putin was like we're working hard. I think the lesson there is if you want technology acknowledging that connects people in Iowa stick to farmers only we got a great show. Has There Clyde Andrew Gillerman. Sarah is our here in a little later. We'll we'll be speaking with our friend. Farid Sakari at first up. He's trump's former White House chief strategist and the CO host of the war room. Impeachment and war-room pandemic podcasts. Steve Steve Bannon has agreed to come by again. Grave and Steve. Thank you for doing this. Thank you for being polite. Okay Steve So look I'm not GonNa lie about your boy. Had the best week so far. Don't you think was the last two weeks. I think you see the culmination by right. I admitted it don't Conclo- but I think this shows you the actions. He's been taking the entire time. It's not just. The impeachment is the Middle East. Peace plan is what he's doing. Okay on opioids opioids as US MCA. It's Brexit one action after another. Okay but Steve as a student of history. I know you are nothing this week. Bothered you like yesterday. When he we find out now that he's you know the thing he said about Komi? We'll see what happens. If it was a Bama people would be in jail vindamme gets frogmarched out Mitt Romney as a suppressive person. This is very von Stauffenberg. Isn't it after the coup failed. You don't I don't think it's an enemies list kind of situation that doesn't make you a little nervous. Trust Him with that power no absolutely in fact. Here's what I've argued from day one. We should have. We should have a should should've had a longer impeachment. We should ahead Bolton. You should've had mulvaney. Should've had all the won't be memo's wit witnesses. Let Him Cross. But we get the whistle blower. We get the second whistle so blower we get shift as a factor. Let's get it all out if this is not an trump says it's just not about trump. This is about going for the office of the President Bernie Goetz in in yours advisor. Trust me. The same thing's going to happen. If you think the neoliberal neo-con national security apparatus is going to sit there and let Bernie as commander in chief make the decisions that he's empowered to as commander in chief they're going to fight him every step of the way and that's why this thing has to be that the abuses of the FBI in the A in the fifties and sixties culminated in the Church Commission in the Seventies. That's what we need today. I think the Senate Judiciary Committee or start calling witnesses. We gotta get to the bottom of the forty forty subpoenas that were out there. But the House Intel. We've gotta get you ought to declassify this crossfire. Hurricane and blood blood bottom. Let let them all talk. Let's get all the emails out that let's see the whole okay when you say crossfire. Hurricane Liberal audience doesn't have the Dakota ring for that one. That's that's that's right. It's the right. No if they should listen. This is about civil liberal case about protecting the office of the president audience should know that. And that's why it's got to be a apparatus Addis. Okay I can't even but but let's go back to history because he used words like scum Horrible rebel people evil. He has a different house. Style okay right but we've say excuse me we've seen this house style before when you talk about people like like that when you're a cult leader like that who has millions of Peo wait a second. He has millions of people who would obviously do anything form and now we only have loyalists in the government. Okay so when when you talk about us not true. Well that's where people people that's where people were terminated. Today may the people in that list like because they're just not loyalist. They're good people. No it's not lawless. Remember Kenmore's forced a commander in chief has the rights the whistle blower and other guys like that were on the list of people that worked around me put together in April of two thousand seventeen these details he's a commander in chief whether it's Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. Have the right to have around. I wind up in their policies and programs led by loyalty. Okay these are people who he didn't even even know existed. They were deep state. People deep state meeting competent people who actually make the government work were not who are non believer in the Steve. Let me get to question to so much time okay. We've seen this another country's when you talk about people like their scum And they're evil. We've seen it in Rwanda cockroaches. We've seen it in Germany Vermin. You don't think that when you talk about people like that your side the people who hear those words you don't think eventually translates into action. They see people on our side. There's less than worth absolutely not why because we have the president's accidents I just mentioned why is he. You don't sock roaches scum. No firm you'll see. I don't see any actions the deplorables or people doing that. Listen for the last three years. Nancy Pelosi the Democratic Party have sat there and said we have to protect the country a clear and present. Donald trump clear present danger against Russian oligarchs. The Democratic Party today is looking to be saved by oligarch. This thing is total. Hypocrisy come on Bloomberg Bloomberg American immoderate. Amer seventy one billion a super rich guy he's GonNa put billions of dollars to destroy donald trump so against him. He's not running against awesome. This is running against doing. He's a leveraged buyout of the Democratic Party. He's already said I will put two billion dollars of capital and back of any candidate to defeat trump. Okay one side always has more money than the other out more money. It's not about more money because the last time trump had way less money and he won f sort of you know why because trump the only debt mentality that has you in this place today in the place today is trump is is about to run the table. If you have a totally dry because nobody sat there after two thousand sixteen said why do we lose the same arrogance she saw on the people in Brooklyn would not send Hurley Clinton Clinton to Michigan and remember. Michael Moore always makes the point. I think they're seventy thousand down ticket votes in Michigan that didn't vote for president. The reason is trump reached out to these working working class people and connected with them okay and included new. It's the same arrogant. You see an Iowa about this app there is that but we mostly lose. Because was a senator in Wyoming represents two hundred ninety thousand people into the senator here represents twenty million. That's mostly why we lose the Electoral College Polish. It's called a Republican. It's called with with a barrel foundation. Not Okay now. Is it really Democrats for one person to love about you guys. You've got a wine right about everything wind the game. Hey the game is. Hey it's matchplay not metal. Play no I I understand what could with no you know. What the rules aren't you win? You're you're right you're right where we should have gone to Wisconsin because it's an electoral college game. I've admitted that many times in point you said why don't you win you win. The biggest game is rigged for you. I get it not is absolutely electra. With this attitude so you don't beauty we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA keep winning. I love this I know you. How can you sit you sit here? And have oligarch a Republican oligarch that is going to be the salvation of the Democratic Party. Okay it's outrageous you. You guys have Squirrel Bernie's been screwed by the Democratic Party. He's looking the last week. They wouldn't allow south. The polar bear released where he was up. Four okay then they do this thing as soon as the whole a debacle about the count. As soon as he starts closing in the Democratic Party says hey let's have a re canvass okay there Bernie voters are do it. They didn't to sixteen right L.. A. Full of the Clintons come either. Don't vote or come. Vote for trump. I understand why you're against Bernie. Yes I mean he likes to much I like I like burn. Really you want socialism that no no no no. He's a populist socialist agree I agree with his solutions I think a lot of I think it's a big part of politics. No no the biggest part. The one of the biggest identifying the problem I think Bernie's identify trump getting him loose shared some voters. Because they both Kinda go after the same problem. You're right he's I'm just sitting Bernie. People are but helped make trump president. You don't making president again even banned by the Democratic Party that amount of socialism. I agree we need not agree. I think we need some amount of socialism I quote capitalism plus. We already have a lot of socialism socialism. But we don't have a good former capital okay but we all guards are true. That millennials are like Russian serfs. They don't own anything and they're not going to only thing we have to. We have to redefine the central part that we have to but whose policies are responsible for that this Bayton switch you guys all the time. Just let me say a in the second one thing. Let me say what spare near Your Democratic Party is owned by Wall Street in the corporate interests with the Oh God God forbid the corporate ever ever get their tentacles into the Republican Party. That would be a bad day. Okay but let me ask you this. WHO's the real hit four years whose problem divided? Who's the real socialist? Trump's bail out of the farmers twenty eight billion dollars Obama's bailout of the auto industry was twelve billion. Why why is it socialism when Obama does it but not when trump does and why why is run up a much bigger debt much bigger deficits than Obama when the tea party was out there? There what happened to that why I think the solution to the rising debt is a white president. Excuse me I think. The solution to the rising in debt is a white president because it was a terrible as it was a terrible problem when Obama was president. Now it is no problem with the Democrats. Get interested in deficits are dead. If you look at Look Camman. The Modern Monetary Theory that underpins Warren Underway Bernie underpins aosabq looking at quantity doing worse at trump's. Doing worse advocate it. But here's the point you hang with. No no no no no contest. Where where's growth over time is going to is going to bring down to uh-huh and Gee Whiz for these tax cuts pay God but you always try to change the the topic? Let's get down to the basics trump. All these tricks know always turn right. Yes you did no. I knew awesome before the word populist. you know. People who are against elite like look at the democratic popular to light remark. Look what they've done to the populist. Dave let me ask you this question Fisher. I read today some of the things that he said about you over the years just scathing. I mean you're you're the word dog figures into a lot and we see this come from Irish Catholic family with five kids. I've been called a lot worse around the dinner table. Okay this guy has a say. It's the signal in the noise. That's all the noise. That is a signal look at the signal or what he's done. He's as big as he does this constantly to people he he just says the worst things about him they come back and eat his dog bowl. No why do the LAWS A. Because he's a transformative figure is an historic. He is that he is that regardless of the dictator. It's a very. It's the progressive left in eighteen. Because you went door to door they understand the donald trump between between changing the federal judiciary deconstructing. The administrative state is going to be in their personal lives. Ten Twenty and thirty years from now is that is why the left that is why the left goes door-to-door the door to beat him and he's achieving his objectives. He said now comes the hour of action in his inaugural address. And you see the actions come together. And that's why we're sitting in February the Ori of twenty twenty. He's united his party. He's got the economy on his side. And if your best week ever what I said Okay I wish we had someone on. Our side is able able issue Steve. It's great to see you. Thank you for going in this state. Can't get them down. Let's scary all right here. They are he is editor at large and founder of box DOT COM new book. Why we're polarized just hit number five on the best seller list? Ezra Klein is great to see you back. He's the former mayor of Tallahassee Florida. Twenty Eighteen Democratic nominee for governor of Florida Andrew Golombek with US Jesus staff writer for the dispatch in the CNN political analyst. Sarah is great to see you on her. I don't forget your questions or tonight's overtime so you can answer them after the show on Youtube. Okay let's pick up with what I was saying to Steve. I do think it was not only the worst week but but yesterday was the single. Worst Day I ever saw. He went full. whiny little bitch. In a way that I thought was very scary. He got acquitted. forty-nine Gallup hasn't been his highest approval forty nine Eighty percent of people think their lives will improve improve in the next year. That would be the statistic that scared me the most if I was a democrat. You know he's a conman but conman can can work. Yeah I mean you could say well. The facts are wrong but he's convinced people their lives are going to be better people. Don't run on facts. They run on phone on feelings. The economy numbers that number bird. There was another Gallup poll that said ninety percent of people are happy with their personal lives right now which is the highest. It's ever been so he'll take credit for that he fix your marriage like he did everything he picks. Jazz marriage looks like he got Milania back home and she's smiling going to be the country voice here. I don't think it was such a good week if the best you can do during doing. Great economy is your best week ever. Is You almost fifty percent of the polls in one that looks like an outlier and you've got a quitted from impeachment. That's a low bar for for the most successful president. Here this is. This is liberal. This is why we lose. I'm sorry but I think that's why we lose whistling past the graveyard. I I am still struggling to get my brain cells back after what just happened over here a interview. I agree with as this was. This was not a great weekend. We came to the president. He has never taught. He's never topped sent by way of support in this country. I still believe I think it was higher than Obama's at this point. No I know Obama's still is the most popular political figure in no at this point in his second in his first term. Neither he knows the might there. It's the other guy and you're well. No I mean the truth is is that first of all this president is where he is because he has caused most Americans to move to their tribal sides. That's been the maniacal Nial I mean what we just saw was quite maniacal but obvious every single point that you made he reversed it to his advantage. This president. In my opinion one is a threat to humanity. Not just the United States. Well we all know this matter but that's not and we've got to work overtime in order to bring those six million voters recall. Six million. Fewer people voted in the race for president. Twenty sixteen voted in the Obama. Twenty twelve. Like you know we're gonNA I o yet still somehow. It's nearly been a week but we do know what the turnout was in the turn out was not it up the famous two thousand sixteen it was way lower than two thousand eight first time. Caucus goers were lower than two thousand sixteen those big on this but is a very bad week for the Democrats screwed up. It's not something you can do. You have to be able to run government decently. You're going to be the party that runs bad week roaring okay and this is what really really judge you. By how you Ri- I don't doubt that and that was a colossal mistake. Shouldn't happen but I guess what we weren't dealing with voter fraud here. It would annoyed me about this week. was we made all kinds of. Hey about the fact that we didn't get the results when we wanted to see them. But do you know how many people particularly and communist communes of color and young voters who show up to a precinct that they didn't know was moved from one election to the next one who are facing voter. Id and voter suppression in. Who In my state? One point six million former felons who sixty five percent of the voters in the state decided to give them the right to vote and the Republicans have worked overtime to take it back from the way they a win is by cheating and they've been pretty obvious pretty overt about win on the one good thing. I thought that came. We're going to talk about. The Democrats is that I feel like. They switched out Biden for Pete in the center lane I think they traded in the old trans. NJIT for a new Tesla What is still looks to me like? We are sort of hopelessly divided not only between Republican Democrat but among the Democrats these two wings of the party. If it's GonNa be looks like Bernie has has aced out Warren for that but it's still these two wings at don't own agree don't like each other and who could who could unite them. Don't agree on. What type of racist says is it a race about energizing the base? And if that's the case then Bernie has real problems with those turnout numbers in Iowa or is it a race about bringing in what Buddha judge calls the future former Republicans cans or independent voters. Whatever new swing voters? There's not agreement on that then I don't know about the Democrat. Greasy is is is that we're going to get rid of Donald Trump. That is what Democrats are absolutely united around twenty twenty. This is part of the process and welcome to a primary primaries are about making choices voices but ultimately and I would submit that some of the low turnout we saw in Iowa happens to result from the fact that many of these voters are actually agnostic. On who the person Jason is that goes up against Donald Trump. Our one goal is to see him defeated. What was striking about? The I will result so if you're just watching the debate tonight all the Democrats on stage. The Democrats Democrats are fighting each other on twitter that supports kill each other snake emoji route emoji. Bend Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders or hugging like the entire Democratic field likes each other and the supporters orders are war which makes me think that Andrews Right. I'm not convinced that there's not going to be a lot of democratic unity when all this is my good friends so tonight and guess what. I'm happy for it. I Ah is much better than going at each other over little small piddly pieces here. When by and large we share much more in common we want to expand access to healthcare? Oh careful more people. There are different methods for getting there. Compare that to a president who wants to take away protections against preexisting conditions almost one hundred million Americans and my state if you are a pregnant the woman that's a pre existing condition with this administration was of course he lied by the State of the Union. And then here's the thing for me. Between Republicans Pecans and Democrats State of the Union. I was surprised I thought I was watching. Bet The whole thing seemed geared toward winning the Black Act voter right. I mean he had the little girl who is going to go to a charter school. He he called out the one black Republican senator. Tim Scott he had adoptuskids airman. He cited a lot of stats about black unemployment. Being better all this stuff. Wow the Democrats would would democrats like their weak points. The South they just write it off. They don't even try. Trump is like what's my point wax. I'm going to get them. No no no I got back in time. I think there's a question of whether politically he is trying to actually win black voters or whether he wants to appear to his voters as if he's trying to win black voters which is different than what specifically. I think he's trying to say I got a black friend. He's trying to save. Everybody is trying to win. This game was trying to win the proper speech and everybody is show. Oh suburban white women who have been fleeing the Republican Party right look at these. Recent elections were Democrats. Have one in places where we haven't got to those folks that he is not as abominable is that he's not an overt racist that he can have a black friend because this isn't about shaving directing an agenda that actually wins. Recall all this man Barack Obama had in the final three years of his administration. Thirty five straight weeks of economic growth on average two hundred and I agree that this is about winning Bourbon more than it is so. Let me ask you about Mitt Romney thing because I was giggling when when people we're talking on TV. This week about this Mitt Romney. This man of great integrity. Did I lose my mind. I seem to remember as is being the picture of the weathervane right here. People are like Mormons. They're better than US normal people. You know they're so. I looked it up Mitt Romney. I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. Two years later I am firmly. pro-life signed a bill banning assault weapons in Massachusetts. And then I don't support any legislation. The effort to impose new assault weapons ban is something I would oppose. I'm proud of Romney care. It'll be a model for the nation. Romney care was crafted from Massachusetts. It would be wrong to adopt this for the nation. I believe the world's getting warmer. Humans contribute to that my view was that we. We don't know what's causing climate change on this. I think Mitt Romney still wants to be president and he's betting that if trump crashes and burns it'll be the only one they can turn you know. I think that he's decided he's never going to be president. And every every quote read there was him trying to be president right. And this was recognizing he's got no future at that was so at seventy to change. Sorry at seventy two. He changed me. I would normally say seventy two is a bit old to think you're gonNA run for President Future but then you look over the democratic side so clearly. That's not true but Mitt Romney Mitt. Romney is not GonNa go forward in this Republican Party and he knows it. It's possible he won't even survive a Utah Primary in the future. Bob Bennett lost one before him. Just because he worked with Ron Wyden on healthcare and voted for tarp. So this is actually. I agree with you on Mitt. Romney's record it's jumped around a bunch but I think it's worth saying when people do something courageous. They did it there. They don't do it every other time. Fine but when you say what if Mitt Romney offered himself as vice president on a unity ticket on the democratic side what have you said. Whoever the Democratic nominee I will be your vice president and we'll see if we can be trump that way he could probably get a lot of votes from Republicans skains who are the ten fifteen percent who were not so crazy about trump? This is the McCain Lieberman idea back in the day but this is a different ever. We're living in now that that's that was normal life. This is trump. Yeah but it's actually. It's actually harder era than even that one I mean is parties get deeper into disagreement and Mitt Romney himself as you say oh there has become more conservative. It's Kinda hard hard to be part of it. Say It's Kinda hard to be part of an administration where you disagree with everything the president is actually doing. The disagreements here are real. That's part of why there is so much polarization part of why I Lamar Alexander comes out and says after calling the vote for no witnesses. Well look you know. He's a great president. But there's this one bad call like that. Is that level of rationalization. The other side is so uh-huh dangerous you can't ever let them through. That holds a lot of folks in place and whatever Romney voted for here. He's still looking. You want serve under Bernie Sanders. I think what mostly hoses folks in places. The in fact there is they are in an unholy marriage all about the courts every single decision the complicity of Republicans that are happening right now in Washington are because they are getting judges through. I'm talking about thirty. Two zero judges no trial. Experience are sitting on federal benches a historic number judges that that have come through the pipeline. There when they're bolander rollover and let this guy have on the Romney piece. I'll applaud him for taking a bit of a profiling carriage. My real fear is for this country tree is that they were not more Republicans who saw flat out the illegality of this administration even Susan Collins going into so far saying I think the president you may have learned a lesson day. We have Davis Jason. Yes try to say we trump said the call was perfect. I mean I think the embarrassing so may may interject this. Jared Kushner all the Middle East problem this week. That was great presentative Middle East plan so we thought it would be a good week to do One of our favorite segments on this show twenty four things. You don't know about me. We stole it and this week. It's twenty four things you don't know about Jared Kushner. Would you like to see them. I'm sure you I I met Milania when she was the entertainment. My Bar Mitzvah I. I have less body hair than a dolphin. My family owned six six six fifth avenue which we bought because I worship Satan. Never my wife has sex she lets me watch. Now that I brought peace to the Middle East going to focus on the view. I'm such an observant Jew from sundown Friday until sundown the following Friday. I once dressed as a woman in college but but it was only to get a place on a lifeboat. I'm the Orthodox Jew but Vonk is the one who insists on fucking looking through a sheet. Boy I saw Rosemary's Rosemary's baby and realized I'm not alone and my sat score was a check for two point. Five million dollars The sans Hurrying Zaccaria. GPS mccollum this from the Washington. Post Marines a car is back with us. Why are you sir? Great to see you okay. I know you've interviewed Steve. Bannon before I have. It's I mean it's like he's very articulate and he goes on goes but to me the most important thing is you've got a Lotta Shit when you do it. I got a Lotta Shit because we're platforming right right and it's because if you don't talk to him it's not GonNa go away right. You're just going to be surprised when they win right. I'm so I think the important thing is to listen to taught me a lot of what he said was right and his big thing is about populism and writing about it this week and you're making a point I think he would agree with. which is that certainly early in the current climate right wing populism is beating left-wing pro populism? It's argued if you think about it. Ten years after a financial crisis assistant was largely caused by the irresponsibility of the private sector. If you look not just in America everywhere. left-wing parties are doing badly right wing. Parties are doing well. Why because I think what happens in times like warehouse? Well if you're Lookin' grieve France. The left has been destroyed. In Britain. Labor party had its worst showing since an ideology five shirts. Social Democrats in Germany have had their worst showing since the founding of the German republic. Yeah what happens. I think is in times of anxiety. The the leftovers thinks people want to move left because they want more social safety nets economic goodies. But actually what happens. Is People move right culturally because because they have a sense of who am I. What is this country and if you demagogue that issue if you start telling people to worry about all these people who look different and sound different and worship different Gods what happens is people move right culturally? They move right on issues like immigration and the if you think you've written about immigration many times and you said Yeah people can can absorb society only so much change and we had more immigration and more immigrants in our country. Then we have almost I think in the early part of the twentieth century exactly and I think that the number something like this in one thousand nine hundred seventy about five percent of America was foreign born now but fifteen percent of America's foreign born so it's a lot of change to digest and I think that all you have to do is I think America remains an immigrant society society it remains very welcoming immigrants. But you have to convey that you understand that the the there is a complexity here and if you listen to certainly somebody like Bernie Sanders Sanders. Basically he is advocating on open borders policy. which by the way would then give everybody? Free Medicare free healthcare and education. It does seem seemed like how you could. Americans vote for the idea on the left is the more immigrants I want in America. The better person I am and that it would be insulting also to ask people to do. We used to say you're a melting. Pot Melt a little. I just seems to me that you know if it's at right absolutely if the Democratic Party could adopt Barack Obama's Obama's immigration policy I would be you know who my favorite immigrant. You remember Eldar. I'm your favorite but remember bell. Dr Cohn had yeah. He was from Ramya lack and he didn't fit in in many ways but he wanted more than anything else to win. Then golfing trophy you know. He wanted the golfing trophy. He wanted just to be an American. Not to me is is the mom you like immigrants as long as they're not from any particular real country. Yeah that's a great pro-immigrant staff. So what did you think about killing Sola money. We didn't talk about that. It happened when we were offered. I would say but for you when you're on. He was the Iranian general who for years had caused a lot of mischief in the Middle East and made a Iran transcendent power in a way. They never had been before before If you look at the map they have Iraq now largely because of US Syria They were always in Lebanon Hezbollah In Yemen and a lot of that is because of Sula money and he's head of the Revolutionary Guards. Is that what they're called exactly and you have exactly right. He was he was the central Andrew figuring he was a bad guy. From from the American perspective trump has been very good very effective at ratcheting up pressure on Iran. But it's not clear exactly actually where it goes because you have the situation where a president who says he's trying to get us out of the Middle East is ratcheting up pressure rationing pressure and there's no there's no Oh exit ramp. There's no negotiation going on. There's no new deal. He's proposed He says he doesn't want you know. I mean a month ago while I was reading was we're going the war with Iran and then it's like if that could happen in the seventies but he I think fundamentally he doesn't want that but he knows what the things trump doesn't know how to close the the deal so if you look at North Korea. He showers Kim Jong Hoon with praise. He's like we're in love. This guy's amazing and clearly was there was a hope that he was going to get the Nobel prize by doing it. So that doesn't go anyway. The the the Iran deal. He's you know pressure pressure pressure but no deal even with the Chinese they pundit on all all the big issues so I think he's the kind of guy who can you know he knows how to do the theatrics but he can't close a deal. I I know he's a bad guy. I just WanNa tell me how to beat. beat him beat him. Not like he's a Shitty guy. Okay so it's got to be a better. I'll tell you one thing you know we all make a mistake. People vote as a book points this out. People vote on the basis of gut emotional issues. I think we always think you know if if we could come up with a really great twenty point program which has all these mice exceleye exactly trump says exactly everyone like. Yeah you know you look at what he did way. America great again with Mike Bloomberg he he says you know and again immoral about the fact that it's completely untrue. Doesn't matter he wants a box. He wants a box sustained now. All you can think about is the Bloomberg must be very short. Yeah maybe I feel strongly about this Kazan five eight. Asthma is Mike Bloomberg gets an average height by the way not very short in this kind of politics of symbolism which which we always counter I mean people on the on the center of the left with with twenty point programs CBS. So how do you be and speaking of that. I mean you saw the state of the union the stagecraft when he gave rush limbaugh the metal. Now I mean another president would have just announced that you know rush limbaugh Eerie Eerie suffering from cancer. And he's going to get the medal of freedom he has Milania. Have it right in her purse. Does she always I I you know I mean how do you beat a showman like that. No the first to bring guests in the gallery and this was like the reality television show version of that taking it into twenty twenty was the reunification of the father with his family on live television. That was a big moment. Although she didn't look all that happy happy to see him a little bit. I don't think that's been generally the argument for someone like Bernie Sanders at this point. What trump is doing is he does big things and often racing suck all the oxygen out of the media? Everybody talks about it. We talk about it you talk about it does to free. Its point is. He's also like trump symbolic Bhalla communicator. He goes and says Medicare for all. And it's like it's like it's like a flytrap. Everybody argues about it. It's the only thing they argue about in every single debate the border policy. Let's see it's very big. Very big and the Bernie Sanders theory is if you can make the fight about six if you can get all the Republicans running to their traditional space as of trying to fight against socialism and higher taxes and Medicare that you can pull fight away from immigration from the cultural identity issues. Trump is so good at using and put him on his back. Folks which is he's a plutocratic who keeps voting to cut taxes and people like himself and self-dealing up for himself while in office. But so I don't know if it's GonNa work and I think they've opened up. Some problems opens with our policy and others but there is actually a theory here that if you can go. Bigger than trump does the minds of the media to run towards whatever the biggest thing on the table is. I think it's a reasonable idea but I just worry when I look at what. Jeremy Corbyn did in Britain. Because this exactly well if you're not working explain that's a great point but if the people who may not know Jeremy Corbyn Corbin was the leader of the Labour party in in just like Bernie ways right then very very very the far left yes took the party way left way left and Britain and the Labor Party got its worst showing since one thousand nine hundred and he's a guy who looks and acts just like trump and and talked about immigration Asian and control of Boorda's. Okay Rolling your culture and I can see someone in the future looking back and go you idiot. Americans we showed this to you exactly how it looked cooked. In Britain the Bernie Sanders Guy ran against the trump guy and got his asking or things are true until they're not trump is an. We're joined the Republican Party entirely so to some extent the Democratic Party is running against a party that no longer exists. You talked about this. The state of the Union didn't mention deficits. It didn't mention debt. It didn't mention limited government. Trade has changed so as the parties. Realign puts Bernie and others and kind of tough did it. But they haven't actually realized that's the secret good of Donald Trump. Donald trump would be a lot stronger. If he's what Steve Bannon pretends he actually is but instead but donald trump did. Because he's distracted is he came in. He wants to have a lot of twitter fights and he summoned to the entirety already of congressional Republicans agenda. So He's actually backed all these bills to cut preexisting conditions his hone administration is currently in a lawsuit trying to get the entirety of obamacare invalidated validated. So they actually haven't changed and because he's now unlike in two thousand sixteen tied to an actual agenda now whatever it is not whatever. It is seven the apprentice last week. It creates a record you you can actually run against. That's the main weapon. Democrats actually which is trump has a record that in some ways makes being really high minded around how this election and is going to go down right. I don't think it's going to be on the nuance of these issues. Grab tell you and I think it will come down to three or four states and I would include mine is one of them. The State of Florida where they are working we are one percent state. Donald Trump won our state by one point. Brock Obama one Florida twice by one percentage the last four or five democratic nominees for the State of Florida all lost by one point. I lost by point. Four Percent Shimon by five hundred votes. Hundred Eight five four Supreme Court decision but of of course but but but but the point being what they're doing in these states are working overtime through voter suppression and my state last year alone. Republicans and Republicans Secretary of state removed over three hundred and sixty thousand voters. Overwhelmingly Democrat from the voter rolls. We can't even get those folks back on quick enough. They're changing voting precinct. They're determining your your your hunters licenses a sufficient form of identification. But your student. ID is not if you're if you're if you go in and you sign your name. I'm on the ballot in the W in your signature looks different this year than the one from the year before your ballot gets invalidated right so they are actually not playing fair. What we've gotTa do and we've have won something under Mark Elias? Something like twenty or so lawsuits in states all across the country trying to re balance the scales here. But we don't get it right in those states. I don't care what the policy is. Unfortunately they will win not off of the merit but off of voter suppression and attempt to keep voters from participating in the process period. The here someone explain to me the American economy. 'cause I never understand. I never understand what we'd like to know about it. I would like to know how it can both be true when I read these polls and people are optimistic and they like the economy and it's doing great and then in Iraq something like half. The country is four hundred dollars from though my great using the Atlanta called the great affordability crisis and wasting economies two things. You're seeing being pretty good growth numbers pretty good employment numbers he sort of big macro statistics. That look okay and at another point that would have been good enough because it would cover the cost of living. The issue is childcare. Housing healthcare become vastly more expensive in recent years and so the cost of the obamacare under that obamacare helped percentage of the population. But it definitely didn't stop healthcare cost from going up. Most people weren't all that affected by it. So what's happened is not the you've not seen any growth. Even wage growth has gone up a little bit in the last couple of years. What has not happened end is it? It has gone up as fast as cost of living has increased and so the lines are just not catching up to each other. So all those folks. You're talking about they. Maybe are getting a little bit of a raise and by the way not enough because even though GDP growth is going to the rich but a little bit goes down. They may begin raise but not as quickly as they're all those other pasta obviously think tomorrow is going to be better. And and that's that's what matters. I think when you're running for office you know. It's like the stock market is never about what people are judging the company. Now it's how it's going to do in the future. There's companies that make no money in their value hugely. It's like that in the future. I'm wrong no consumer confidence. I mean it's crazy every time those numbers come out. So is this a bad year for socialism or a good year for socialism. That's what I want to know. The weird thing is that the basis for this whole recovery because it is now a tenure the economic recovery and you can see this again compare the US against all the other countries is. Is that the United States handled the great recession better than anybody else in the world and that was to be fair. There was some of the the the outgoing Bush administration but a lot of it was Obama. was they fired on all cylinders. They did a massive fiscal stimulus. Massive monetary stimulus. They forced the banks to recapitalize. No no other country did it as quickly as thoroughly as fast all the order by bailout all the things. You're talking about that but this is what what we're not doing enough. Everyone wants to give trump credit for recovering economy. The fundamentals of this were built under Barack Obama. Donald Trump is taking credit for something. You didn't in the to be told or is used to read you get you get you get you get credited and what happens on your on your watch but I think given how long this recovery how steady it's been. It's pretty clear that was largely those decisions. That really were very very hardy. The difficult has to go to new rules. Everybody knew now that hook up APPs like tinder and grinder are being blamed for spike in. STD's someone must come out with new hookup APP for people with STD's uncalled clapper. Yes clapper do you have a burning sensation to meet singles in your area. Do you like long walks on the beach followed by a quick trip to the pharmacy and get clapper. Where hurting to p never felt so good narrow since will smith just made a new bad boys? After seventeen years and Tom. Tom Cruise made a new top gun. After thirty four years. Plenty would gets to make a new dirty Harry movie. Go ahead make my soup neuro billy. I wish either has to stop singing in that. Had Low breathy voice or dedicated entire album to baby boomers called. What speaker speak up? Why are you whispering featuring the hit single good luck in a job interview with that hair rural store clerks have to stop greeting customers with? How's your David so far? My dog threw up on the rug and I ran out of coffee. What do you care? I don't know what's more annoying. The idea that my day is any of your business or the implication that now that I'm at the autozone buying wiper fluid things are really looking up Florida man who pumped thirty gallons of gas into into the cockpit of his boat when he confused a notch to put a fishing pole in for the gas tank must look on the bright side. I'd now he knows why all boats are called she because she doesn't like it when you put it in the wrong hall and finally New Rural Republicans have to admit they don't just hate Democrats they hate democracy Chrissy. They hate the player and the game. This is a real picture of Mitch. McConnell last week after he won the vote against hearing from witnesses at trump's impeachment trial trial. That's his face to stop saying. Republicans don't have principals they do. They are deeply committed to all things undemocratic Democrats get this week that this last week. The Deep Red Conservative counties of Virginia threatened to secede uh-huh and join West Virginia creating a new state called Fatso. Vania it Jerry. Falwell Junior Longtime Virginia resident and second generation religious conman said many counties in Virginia. And you are taking a long hard look at escaping the barbaric totalitarian and corrupt democratic regime wow totalitarian barbaric. Why because Virginia had an election and the Democrats won we? We used to call that. An orderly transition of power and patriots. Don't secede they stay and participate as the loyal opposition. A few years ago the Republican share of North Carolina's redistricting committee said I think electing Republicans is better than electing Democrats. So I drew the map to help foster what I think is better for the country. Why they don't even think they should play fair? It's why they love the electoral college and are constantly early inventing new forms of voter suppression. The Republican view is. You have the right to vote unless you're likely to vote for Democrats in which case we reserve the right to cheat she to stop you In Two Thousand Sixteen when Supreme Court Justice Scalia Died Mitch. McConnell said since the seat had become vacant in an election year this attended would not even consider a nomination from Obama which he found an article one section for of his ass. The Mitch said even though I know the constitution is clear that when a supreme court slot comes open the sitting president gets to affiliate. And it's my job as a senator to make that happen. That's the old America. A Nation of laws. We're living in the new America. The only one on law make me make me when a country slides into authoritarian. Rian rule. You don't get a text alert. Things will look the same on the surface the buses will still be running the cops will still be patrolling rolling. You can still get your hair. Done your favorite show was still on TV unless baby. It's this one. Americans are always worried that when we lose our freedom it'll look like the movie Red Dawn with tanks in the streets that's not how Republicans we keep the names on the institutions. We just changed. What's inside we still have trials? We just don't have witnesses and you're still subpoena people they just don't show up. There's still an EPA it just works for the coal companies now it's like the way TV channels sometimes completely changed format but keep the name. MTV Music Television television music videos for years. The learning channel has no learning. The learning channel has honey boo boo. An America's worst tattoos and family by the ton that's us now when Rome stopped being a republic it didn't stop having a Senate and neither have we. It's just more like student in government now because that's what dictators do Russia has a pretend parliament so does China and North Korea. Just about every week here. I asked some Democrat. What's the plan for dealing with this new paradigm that I believe were already living in and invariably every ably they just laugh it off? Here's Mayor Pete last week you win. But trump says the irregularities and he can't give up the office what do you do well. It's it's GonNa be a little awkward when Chiasson and I are moving into the White House but and I like I'm a big Fan and I'm glad he sort of one Iowa Woah but this is not funny. Things are so bad ed wood. I've been thinking lately is the fact that Bernie Sanders controls. An angry mob is actually a positive because at least sanders people will fight. Don't Fight Hillary. But it's a start all right. That's our show I'll be at the Mirage. Dragons wants thirteenth and fourteenth at the tap into that March twenty ninth got Atlantic Atlantic City April tenth. I WanNa thank required Andrew. Gillum Xerez Kharian Steve. Bannon stay tuned for our time. All new episodes of real time with Bill Maher every Friday night at ten or watch him anytime each B O on demand for more information log on H._B._O. dot com.
The Economist asks: Best of 2018
"Hello. And welcome to this special edition of the economists asks I'm an mckelway, and I'll be taking you through a favorite asks and answers of twenty thousand eighteen this year, we asked big names some of the big questions we thought you'd like answers to I've spoken to prime minister's Oscar winners and professional provocateurs from Steve Bannon to aber, let's listen back to the best moments of a to mulch year. Among guests in twenty eighteen several people who used to work for Donald Trump an early casualty of the administration who James Komi dismissed as director of the FBI in may of twenty seventeen. The reasons is departure Senate around his handling I of the investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails, then into Russian interference in the twenty sixteen election and nonpartisan therere ended accused of bias from both Democrats and Republicans I asked whether he felt he overstepped his role and become too involved in politics. Well, when you're the referee in World Cup match are you involved in football in a sense, you're on the field, and you have to make calls, but that doesn't mean you're on one team or the other or rooting for one team or the other the FBI found itself investigating one of the two candidates for president of the United States. During the election. We were doomed in a way the decisions I made were all made trying to pick the least bad of terrible options to protect the institution in the long run. And honestly, even in hindsight and vast myself this thousand times, I think we made the best decisions. Of course lead to damage to the FBI. But the question you have to ask is compared to what if I had chosen not to speak on the cusp of election and concealed that we restarted that investigation. I think I'd be reading an inspector general report today excoriating me for damaging the FBI for the rest of my life. Attrition. Among president. Trump stuff has set records, not least shortest director of communications hunting Scaramucci who spent a majesty real eleven days in office. He told me what he learned from his brief, but explosive tenure boy, I got an eleven day PHD in Washington dishonesty. I got a I understand now that the screen writers from the game of thrones got together with the hunger games and that wasn't enough. So they added the house of cards screenwriters and that still wasn't enough. So they went with veep people because I had to be a little bit of comedy. And so these people are absolutely treacherous and they're absolutely ruthless. Because they're close the power the power corrupt the force as when I also. Except us. No, I made probably ten foam looks mistakes in my life, and I probably made five phone books mistakes and eleven days I was ill suited for the job for many, different reasons. But the main one is I had no experience in dealing with people like that came to a head when you described Steve Bannon his show is self mating, sorta Pasini think that that's a little unfair. Because what happened was the reporter? If you listen to the entire tape. He was suggesting to me that he wanted to do a profile on me in the New Yorker. And I said I wasn't 'Self promotional St. Ben. And and then I use that comment. Okay. Which was an aggressive comment that I regret. I don't disclaim blame. I take full accountability for the mistake and say, by the way, it costs me my job and never broke ranks with the president. When you think about that? Again, I came in. He asked me to do a job. Okay. Couldn't stand the ban. And by the way, what I said about the Bannon is exactly what the president said about Steve Bannon in January, but for the expletive kind of how to evaluate how this guys have very very bad guy and I'll debates demand. Maybe you invite him said that microphone. That will miss environment. She said, well, I will swim over here. You can get Steve Bannon to sit right there. Well, we didn't manage to get them in the same remorse east not yet. But Steve Bannon, and I did sit down in September. The episode was part of a feature festival celebrating the hundred seventy fifth anniversary of the economist with the debate of ideas about liberal democracy and free speech since leaving the White House. Mr. Bannon, his set is sites across the Atlantic. His new initiative cold rather grandly the movement aims to promote economic nationalism. And right wing populism across Europe. So I wanted to know about his limits is he going too far towards erasing those who flirt with ultranationalism or even fascism. Absolutely not. It's merckel. It's Merckel in the leeann Germany now, I think I I think these are they'll tendency fidora, but I think the about to move. The movement that concerns you because it obsolete. He does what you say it does it channels the frustrations that you've described, but it is an unpleasant and sometimes threatening mood does that because I think Swedish Democrats and alternative for door shut other parties like that that have some sort of beginnings or whatever in those parties of that they're moving those parties to policies that are more acceptable to a broader range. That's why they're increasing at the polls. The people understand that they'll turn full doors line. People are not racist d- understand. They're not nativist the understand. They're not. They're not you give me a they're giving me. A look I'm hearing you'll spend time attorney for door slammed by the way. So tar for doors land, heavy certain base of that party that it that is that you could define his potentially problematic. Maybe is our off. Our our our our our Alisher, vital and beat your storage and other leaders going and working with that every day too. Become more acceptable to a broad range Germans, and that's how they get to power. That's how that's gonna crease from fourteen percent in nineteen. It's what the Swedish Democrats are doing the impact of these new economic and of ethnic nationalism, particularly in eastern Europe, provoked deep concern for another of my guests. Madeleine Albright was America's first female secretary of state under Bill Clinton. She was very clear about where she lays the blame. It is being exacerbated by the Russians. Frankly, what's your evidence for that? Well, I think that what we see our is more and more influence of Russia in the Balkans. They weren't very happy with what happened in the first place. Whether it's Slavic solidarity or variety of aspects. And basically, and is that the Russians are trying to undermine what we call western civilization, though. They seem to believe that they are the keepers of western civilization through orthodox religion and being anti any of the changes in. In our society. So I have to tell you. I've never seen such a complex time where they're all kinds of movements that call upon people to be patriotic. And then it turns into having that patriotism be pushed against a group. They don't like scapegoat, that's one part. And then they're obviously a lot of economic issues, and then there are the migrants, and so everything kind of piles up in order to undermine democratic governments, which require compromise. The metoo movement continue to shape our conversations through twenty eighteen and one of office guests the was Tina Chen former chief of staff to Michelle Obama, she's now lead lawyer on time's up which provides legal support to victims of sexual harassment. And I asked her how up to mystic she was about the potential for real progress. Ira been an advocate on sexual assault and women's rights for four or five decades now and. It is long been gone on for millennia that women have not been believed that women who have been assaulted and harassed are frequently not believed. You know, it's it's not that long ago that was perfectly legal, you know, here in the United States to introduce evidence of a woman's prior sexual past when she brought a claim of rape against a rapist. We've finally outlawed that. But it took outlawing it to change the practice. So it we're in a moment right now again where after millennia of women not being believed when they have spoken out where the tide is slowly turning the movement started out in Hollywood. So is what's changing reflected on our screens. Several ref Deplace formidable redhead Dona pull some in the long running American legal drama suits for me to marked a decisive shift. I had a conversation with Aaron course, our creator. And I said we have to take Donna somewhere now. Now right now, and he heard me, I appreciate that. And then when we came into season seven, Donna spoke for herself and said. It was time for her to be a partner at the firm and stepped into a role not perfectly easily. I'm glad it wasn't. It was tough road for her as it would be for anybody to try to make partner and eventually become the COO of the firm. But I was thrilled that he heard me I think that kind of representation on television is really important. I think is a really exciting time for women were just going to hear more more female stories, and we're gonna see more women directing more women in powerful positions. And I'm really thrilled about that for my kids. But as the you went on that perception changed in the awesome as meeting two year old. You of pope founded skepticism claims of harassment his actually risen on show. Jordan Peterson a clinical psychologist and critic of liberal thinking to me why he remains wary of the movement are that it risks damaging the presumption of innocence. I mean, there's plenty. Motoo? Oh, sure. Women women women face, the the arbitrary admixture of sexual advance and workplace and workplace performance. All the time. It's a very complicated thing to sort out. But we don't know exactly what the rules are governing fail male and female behavior in the workplace because we've only been working together for about thirty five years off to thirty five years even to be postponed to figure something out. Not when you're talking about a transformation behavior that that's that's that profound end. Don't. But you were the ones that asked about me to start with you all the one who meet to me, too is an expression of the fact that men and women are having a hard time regulating their behavior in the workplace. Well, who do you agree with right to us radio Tacoma's dot com? Oh, we're on Twitter at economist radio. We love to hear from you. And you might hit your much Gle words right out on one of our shows. We pride ourselves on asking the right questions here on the economists asks, but not all of my guests like to draw breath long enough to be asked Bishop Michael curry captivated crowd of prisons. Great and good and millions of television viewers with his powerful sermon at Prince, Harry and Meghan Markle's wedding. In may this way of love this way of love. I know. No, no, let me finish. Let me let me say this. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on this way of love changes, everything it makes space for all of us. That's what we saw. And that's the home for all of us in two thousand eighteen I go to interview one of my old time cultural heroes Bill new various of aber after I thanked him for the music, we got onto politics. So I asked Bjorn as a Europe super trouper. How he feels about detentions testing the EU. Feel very bad about that. I'm a European through and through and I'm really really sad that some of the Brits feel that they, you know, on a don't wanna be among that friends anymore. And I just don't understand it. But there you go. I hope that the rest of Europe will somehow find some strength to withstand the populace. And and those who deep down one to be 'tatoes, and and our enemies of democracy. I think deep down you still in country change as well haven't you from the at you'll yet is used into the film SOS about changes in Swedish society from kind of put the boot on the other foot, speak the social democratic ideals. Also at the tattered station is it's very it's very tattered all over Europe all over the world. Perhaps it's like they cannot find the poverty more. And they the the relevance. Everyone wonders what is the relevance and socially Markazi. But I think liberal democracy when it's at its best in Europe. That's what we must be fighting for. Fortunately between moments of doom and gloom. We found plenty to love at on the show with a little help from David sedaris. The American humorist is an expert at finding comedy in the most excruciating of circumstances, quite often something awful will happen to me. And then I just think one day this'll be funny and on that day. All right about it. One thing that stands out is when I first moved to Paris, I got a kidney stone. And so I went to the hospital, and they told me too. They took care of comeback and week for some tests or return to week later and the nurse led me to addressing room, and I knew on dress to your underpants. I knew that term from a medical French book that I had. But then she said. I said what? And she. You can only ask twice you can only say what twice. So I go into a dressing room. There are two doors leading out of it and undressed minor pants, and I walk out that door, and there's a little waiting room when I sit there and my underpants, which are briefs. And then I'm sitting there. And then this couple comes in fully dressed and takes a seat. And then some other people come in full addressed, and they take seats, and I am the only person in underpants that room and unthinking Oshii must've said something about a robe, and she must have said something about the other door. But I feel like if I get up and return to the dressing. I'll look like a fool. And I'm not comfortable at all. Like with my shirt off, let alone my pants off. And I remember sitting there thinking one day disobey funny. Today's not that day, but the day will come when it is funny to me his sandwich for a whistle-stop two of the best of twenty teen. If you not to leave us a review on apple podcasts. All where the you listen. And if we miss out any of your favorite moments from the year. Oh, you have a burning question for the economist to answer. We'll do let us know for. Now regard twenty nineteen see you that I'm Amoco macelroy. And in London. This is the economist.
Steve Bannon 6-9-19
"Good Morning America. This is the cat roundtable, John cats. Matiz here. Sunday morning. What happening Europe last week? Nobody in America is really talking about it. But Europe, besides President Trump's visit took a big turn a big turn from the far-left to at least the middle, one of the people chiefly responsible for that was also chief strategist to President Trump when he got elected is Steve, Bannon and Steve Bannon is calling into morning. Good morning, Steve Bannon. How are you today? Hey, john. Thanks for having me now. You being the newspapers in Europe are saying you are responsible, because you were chief advisor to many, many people in Europe and the elections went from far-left to a least middle. Can you talk to us about what what's going on in Europe? And what you what was done? First of all the Europeans of cells. I've got to get an NGO over there called the movement, but I was not official visor. No one is, is that they don't need Americans. What you're seeing is, is really what you're seeing the United States who was Trump revolution listed populist, nationalist, sovereignty movement. The truly coming for the crash roots up having people like Martiniere Salvini, marine Lieutenant either Farraj whether it's Italy France Poland the United Kingdom. You're seeing a real groundswell of kind of whatever call things like the Trump movement, all the somebody's preceded it. But this election, what you had was the French president, mccrone laid out his vision. For more ingrained, you're of more United States Europe and that was summarily rejected by the people, not one of major hit a government braced. It never really had a Macron campaign with them, and then the people of France really. Voted down put it down in this election. So we had to kind of stopping of this further integration of the us, it was a monumental. There's a monument election for the populist movement in your now. I know there's a big concern. I mean prime minister may in, in Great Britain resigned defective Friday, and they the, the British people, and the British rejected the euro, the euro community they first of all the kept their pound. And now the word I hear is a are concerned with the immigration policies of the European Community. Is that what you see during the brags actually happened about six months before Trump's election in two thousand sixteen exit which was the, the vote of the British people to leave the EU part that drew by immigration, perpetrated, by the sovereignty? They voted. In June, two thousand sixteen to leave the EU troubling in November those two elections are inextricably linked. These are kind of grassroots revolts of this populist, moving the reason night, the Lear, that he became a national hero in a friend, Adele, Trump's three years later, the established as you Trump, he's getting beaten up every day to implement his program. Well in England they've gone through the three year period and they're still not out of the United Kingdom reason that Theresa May trust me is gone. Not failed to deliver a deal that actually got the, the EU, and so neither for ours and started a new party called the Brexit party. And this is the huge controversy in England actually had to into European parliamentary get. Although they were supposed to be out the British people outrage. It's really blown up the Tory party, not crotches now coming in international. He just met with President Trump when President Trump is in the United and the British people want out of, of the of the EU, although there's a huge counterforce of the corporatists and really the what is the Wall Street of, of nineteen in which is called the city of London. So they're really fighting a rearguard option, but this has been a tremendous controversy and quite frankly, I think Gulf bridge politics for the last three years now in Germany, there's big time, Traversee bid to has it be actions going Germany, you know, department the altar. Genitive for Deutschland is the is the populace national party there. And they actually I think had aspect to their platform, which was Louis to hardcore ever outside the Kate of the rest of these parties, whether SLA penetrates, self-paying Italy or bonding, hungry Poland. They want to leave the EU what they wanted us, they want to European turned into a community of nations kinda back to the treeless failure, where people have these individual nations, that are controlling governed by freezes the alternative for dosen't slant, which is a rising part on the national popular side really went to hard core in their platform. Is that Germany leaving, he knew that will never happen? It kinda hurt him the surprising thing about Germany was the rise green for people listening. This is kind of the ANC wing of the Democratic Party. You saw this, this party called the grease returned for has been a little bit. Sleepy there now on fire there. The new emerge. Power to kinda counter populist, nationalist movement in across Europe. And, and Germany's where they shocked, the people the most they actually pretty energy kind of into the Merckel coalition or potentially could do that. So I think they're rising power something to watch. But in Germany, this populace particularly European parliamentary election. It did not score like it did, in Italy, France kingdom, really quite frankly, dominate, and have Italy and Greece. How do they fair? But here's the thing all this mall countries, kind of Kim. There were people thought it was enough to in combination. Makings populace they wanna former supergroup could be the second most powerful super group in the European parliament, the key thing for the think about it, that the, the national politics of Italy France and capable of change these elections Salvini who a couple years ago was pulling five percent. What really a separatist party the north and a line. Now. Has got thirty four percent. He's outed to be Mitch prime minister of Italy, quite frankly he called for an election. He would be the prime minister by Tober say after France lapenne with the defeated by mccrone a couple years ago is now comeback mccrone by one or two points. She's look as a very viable candidate for the presidency, the France, and of course, Niger for is really came to that, that the brigade party, I think score thirty to thirty percent which shocked everybody was more than the labor party in the Tory party combined. Weren't takeaway for your audience that traditional center, right parties? The mainland. This was both the, the Birla scoring party in Italy, the goals old party in, in France, in the Tory party in the uniting all finished either in the high single digits, low double digits, these party in the center, as you're kind of seeing here in this kind of centrist, moderate Republican, ISM is really has no power back of is really not tracking young voters so that the big takeaway, you say it kind of a revolution in the Europe, either populist, nationalist, on the right and sovereignty movements or it's got the green on the left. But you're it's gonna be quite, I think divided between these two different places like the United States between Trump movement and whatever, call AFC Bernie Sander with war. So what's the prospects over the next few years for the European Community? What do you see? I think you're starting or whatever that I think the EU itself. To come in the United States, Europe is going to be weaker, but I think you're gonna have stronger nations days, Charen, Asia state supports. I think you'll see a more robust your I e you are the central apparatus, Brussels was trying to act like Washington, DC to the rest of Europe. And so would have Italy would be South Carolina to Francis North Carolina. That was his whole crime plan of United States, Europe to turn these nations into a ministry of unit. That's been pretty much rejected Macron's plan. He was very articulate about it running. Here's that really was, I think rejected across the board. I think you're see every juvenile Europe Europe made up a nation state. So what I would tell people is the look, what's having is very much hearing, what's having the United States. You're going to have this kind of Saban team, this, nationalist movement. Really a grassroots level combat the left of reorganize around this green seem of. Climate change. Over warming full mobilization of the state to combat climate change. I think you're seeing it here at the beginning, little what they see. And it was worn abrasive tendered there, I think we're gonna see it happen, much more quickly, and I think we'll be ruined a lot of lessons from it missed abandoned. How about the spending a few minutes? We've got a couple of minutes left on the show. How many a few minutes on China? What's going on with Joe Biden, etc? Today or those starting the we have thirty person that intimate where massacre last Tuesday. But today in call, we're having this massive demonstration the Chinese communist party is trying to put in an extradition law. Basically, break to treating that, that Hong Kong to them from the British back in nineteen seventy that she day hall still stands third, those portent financial center of the world and backup Wall Street and loved it. And you're seeing the Chinese trying to take it over there. Need the access to that capital? I think we'd to a real open revolt of the of the Hong Kong. And this is just beginning day to this big thing reason, that Trump is in the middle and engage in really responsible economic war. There's not a trade. This is not about terrorists out of trade war. This is Charlie counters party of the last twenty twenty five years and basically focused on destroying, essentially, the Deseret democracies particular manufacturing base tainted check with this concept called made in China twenty twenty five in this wa way for this company while his five roll out. This is all coming to ahead right now. The reasons gonna be in our politics, as you can tell it's the centerpiece of President Trump's economic for random. Bring those jobs back from China. The more important Joe by your Joe buying Dana town hall that I don't know why Trump and all these kind of right? We were publicans are all upset all these people that Trump movement. About china. China's not really a strategic competitor. Well, here's the reality, Joe Biden's son, took one point five million dollars cash for the Bank of China, Bank of China, is the change come this party's piggyback, the essential one point five dollars of the private equity fund that invested in a bunch of surveillance companies that have health and slave in prison. The Chinese people remember the Chinese people. Some of the most no hard working in best people on earth being enslaved by this radical after's party, Joe by MRs business. And I think that people had to start demand just like incurring the cash with all the details clint's corruption with the Clinton foundation McLean. Global initiative by has got it even worse. He's got this private equity fund Sacre runs. I believe in most of the most of that were their family, tied up in that we had to see Joe by stature turns because you got to see Joe Biden's financial and salt until to revise. Zor by inserts basic questions, raised even compromised by the Chinese communist party wants his involvement during the Obama administration with them, what other way on these islands of South China, which male major strategic sticking points. Our allies in Asia Binz got a lot to answer for it. And he kinda laugh it off. You didn't say, hey, they're not really good strategic competitive, even people on the Democratic Left, even Bernie Sanders, Mansi Pelosi. Everybody says they're totalitarian mercantilist surveillance state. Okay. They any suppressed Tibetan, Buddhists, the Catholics by got to answer these questions. Wow. Inviting is is just saying the Chinese people, nice people in and, and the question of did you Sunday, entertain our ninety he took the worst? He'd say the checks come party is not in China's not competitor. The United States. John, is, you know, that's that linear city. That's different how right lie. So people have to drill down by me, in particular is Joe Biden's and compromise by the Bank of China and attorneys communist party. Well, the fact that his son got a billion five hundred million somebody has to scratch their head about that Steve Bannon were added time, but thank you for calling in today. And thank you for for loving America and trying to do the best you can't for America, and we'll catch up again. Real, Jared, thanks so much love this out. This is the cats roundtable. We'll be right back.
What happens when federal workers get political
"From the newsroom of the Washington Post. Tariff. Oprah. Hi there. How are you? This is post reports I'm. Power. It's Monday August thirty first. Today the hatchbacks and why it matters the charges against Steve Bannon and remembering. Chadwick Bozeman. Hijacked is a law that most people who don't work in government know little about and it was passed by Congress in Nineteen thirty nine during the new deal and it was passed as an anti-corruption law that said politics could not be mixed with government employment. I'm Lisa Ryan and I cover federal agencies for the Post. And so that law still applies to today right that basically prevents people who work for the federal government to use their jobs as a form of political campaigning. Correct. That's right. So it really got a lot of provisions that honestly are not the easiest to to sort through if you're a federal employees or even if you're just a reporter or a lay person so basically. It says that if you are a federal employee and that applies to civil servants, what we call career employees as well as political appointees which are. The thousands of people who serve in any in any administration. So it says that when you're on the job, you cannot get involved in any campaign activity, any activity that is viewed as promoting. A candidate promoting partisan politics in effect that means that if you're on the job during working hours on a computer, you can't send an email or post something on social media that would basically show that you are trying to promote the candidacy a someone who is running for office. You can on your own time after work or on a weekend from your own computer. Jim. Those things but you cannot do them in what is called your official capacity. You can just do them as a citizen. So why are there new questions and concerns about the Hatch Act right now. So. I would say even in the trump administration, there were concerns before before the Republican National Convention last week because a number of high level trump appointees had run afoul of the act. This does happen in other administrations. There's no question. But in the case of the trump appointees, they pretty much thumbed their nose at the law. So the office of Special Counsel, which is this little independent agency that enforces the line investigates potential violations had found that a number of trump and point he's probably the most visible was Kellyanne, conway? White. House. Counselor who who left just a few days ago that she violated the act. So there was sort of a high alert. Among people who watch the administration of this, and then of course, the Republican National Convention happens and it becomes even more stark this. Of, noncompliance with the among members of the White House exactly and you know we live in a polarized political environment right now. So people had in their minds that you know trump does things differently. He had already had somewhere around nine ten appointees who had not been punished for violating the act, and then we come to the convention and Acting Secretary Wolf I present you five candidates for naturalization representing five countries we have his acting Department of Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf who. Was Presiding over a naturalization ceremony, which is really what you would call an official Tutti and you had this done. You know in the White House on behalf of everyone here. Today, I'd like to express my gratitude to you Mr President for hosting this naturalization ceremony here at the White, house, you also had secretary of State Mike pompeo inches official capacity in Israel making a speech that was promoting the president's reelection on speaking to you from beautiful Jerusalem looking out over the old city. I have a big job. As Susan's husband and Knicks Dad. Susan and Nick are. More. Safe. Their freedoms more secure because president trump has put his America first vision into? Action. The may not now pump HEO was there in Israel in the Middle East on a diplomatic mission, but for Washers of the Hatch Act. That didn't matter then what you had was. You know potentially dozens if not hundreds I think we don't know the number of employees who work in the White House both career employees and political appointees who were engaged in setting up the convention which the whole thing was basically on the white. House grounds, which again was another unprecedented that tiffany and so the question really is were they in violation of the hatch? act. And it seems like the attitude coming from the White House right now is very much. One of does anyone actually care about the Hatchbacks chief-of-staff mark? Meadows actually said nobody outside of the beltway really cares nobody outside the Washington. Beltway. Really cares about this thing they expect that Donald Trump is going to promote republican values and they would expect that Barack Obama when he was office that he would do the same for Democrats and so listen. This is a lot of HOOPLA that's being made about things mainly because the convention has been so. Ably successful, but my question is, is that true or is this law something that isn't really enforced anymore is kind of on the books but this kind of like a thing of the past that is just no longer part of what it is to be a federal employee today. I think it's absolutely not a thing of the past in very much a thing of the present because. You have you know dozens of federal employees who get investigated every year for check violations whether they are you know willful or whether they are just done you know because somebody slipped up or was ignorant of the law my reporting show that chest this year the office of special counsel disciplined a an employee at the defense. Logistics Agency, which is part of. The the Defense Department for showing his employees, a powerpoint presentation in which he said Vote Republican and that employees after investigation determined that he had severely violated the hatch. act. Because of course on duty he was suspended for thirty days. That's pretty serious. That's a lot of pay to lose thirty days worth of pay. Then there was a department of Energy Employees. Who actually had to resign this year because the employee was giving a tour to a congressional candidate in Washington state of a Department of Energy Hazardous Waste Facility a private tour that the agency had actually declined to give the candidate who had asked and this employee gave the person a tour so that the person would be more converse and in the end the issues. So the idea was that she was using her capacity as a federal. Employee. To help candidate for for political office and she was fired yeah, the employee fired and then and then banned from even applying for federal jobs for for three more years. So absolutely. So there are serious consequences for people. So then why is it that that many federal employees particularly lower level federal employees face repercussions for violating the Hatch Act. But it doesn't seem like that happens for members of the White House or senior members of the administration. Right. So this is an interesting what some my call loophole in the law. So when you're a federal employee, a career civil servant and you get caught. The special counsel's Office, Works with your agency head or your supervisor to figure out what an acceptable punishment could be an. It's usually an agreement that is a negotiated in the case of political appointee. The. Office of special counsel makes a finding, but they refer that to the White House and it is up to the president. To decide whether someone who's found to be in violation should get punished and that could be, of course, a reprimand it could be a warning letter it could be a suspension, it could be a firing now in this administration Henry Kerner the special council has given the president more latitude because kerner interpreted the law to mean that. Not Just Senate confirmed appointees were under the president's jurisdiction but also any political appointee who was found to violate the act was up to the president to decide on punishment for and so that's what happened Kellyanne. But it seems like there's such an inherent conflict of interest there. If you're giving the president, the latitude ultimately decide who gets punished for violating the Hatch Act and who doesn't get punished when in many cases, people who could be violating the Hatch Act are people who work directly for the president you right and so I think a lot of people feel this is an element of the law that needs to be amended the I think that. This wasn't an issue until trump came along because you know you had a White House that was more interested in. Holding its appointees accountable. So for example, under President Obama and under President George Bush, there were violators but they were punished appropriately. So under Obama just because that's most recent, it's worth explaining you had former health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sabinas. She violated the act when she gave a speech to a gay rights group in two thousand twelve that ended up she slipped up if she was promoting. The president's reelection campaign she got in trouble she had flown to Charlotte North. Carolina, she had to reimburse the White House. The Treasury immediately for her plane ticket and her hotel expenses there. She also was reprimanded and the special counsel did an investigation on the White House's recommendation because they took it seriously, and for that reason, we didn't need additional checks and balances that some have called for. and. So if it is now, the case that it seems like the trump White House doesn't take these violations seriously at least when they come from members of the White House is there any other mechanism for trying to enforce this? Is there anything that Congress can do to? Either reprimand or or have ramifications for the members of the White House who violate this? Congress would have to pass legislation. I think maybe to change the law but that would that would be proactive what you do have though well, a few things you have the possibility that the special counsel itself will undertake an investigation of what happened at the convention that's possible and I'm sure that they are getting multiple complaints last week, Henry Kerner issued a press release right in the middle of the convention seeing that they take. This seriously of course but the they respond to complaints that may have been an invitation for people to file complaints I don't know but it they certainly May. We just don't know because they don't publicize their investigations they may investigate this and that would be i. think a further slap on the wrist. But of course, then you know the president would not have to take action as we've discussed So then do you think there is a concern here that the fact that the Hatch Act has been somewhat sidelined by this White House that it could have. Permanent Effects on whether or not this is something that is taken seriously in the future or in expectation for level members of the administration that they aren't supposed to be campaigning as part of their official duties. That's exactly it. What experts on the hatchback told me when I was interviewing them was they worry that you know the the the administration's decision to really flout the law as you said chief-of-staff mark. Meadows essentially did just that said and no one cares about it. It's really it's just a paper tiger. Well, people told me that this wooden potentially could embolden many civil servants to say look the people in the white? House don't care about this. Why should I care about it and? That's really a a huge concern and If trump is reelected, I think we would expect to see to see more of the same now Mr Kerner I believe that his term extends just to to show his independence extends beyond a four year term as a president. So whether trump wins or Joe Biden wins colonel will still be in office for couple of more years. So we'll see We'll see what happens in how aggressively he takes. He takes these potential violations. Lisa Ryan covers federal agencies for the Post. Earlier, this month Steve Bannon was cruising on a yacht off the coast of Connecticut when the Coast Guard pulled up federal agents boarded and took Steve Bannon into custody. This fiasco yesterday was to intimidate. That wants to talk about American sovereignty and wants to talk about. The Wall we're. Never going to stop talking about that in fighting for. He was charged in connection with this conspiracy case federal prosecutors say he essentially defrauded a bunch of donors who thought they were donating money to build a private border wall down on on the US border with Mexico. Matt's up Petoskey is national security reporter and he's been covering the case against Stephen Bannon. The former White House chief strategist on Monday a judge set a date for Bannon's criminal trial, and though Bannon has fallen out of the good graces of the president it wasn't that long ago that he was at the center of Trump's orbit. Steve Bannon was on the Campaign he sort of was one of the president's more far-right advisors but shaped some of the president's hardline views on a lot of subject we were mocked and ridiculed in the what what are you guys doing? This is a joke in fact, the Sunday show, Tom Tom Rosen Gary Bauer. Taylor. Story how they were laughing at me when I was saying, Hey, this guy trump is going to be going to be very serious. So it's It's good to see that you're in the in the heated combat. Now you know I remember that well and all. With you especially because I'd always mess up my hair when I put those big microphone. On the president retained him in the White House and he served this role, he was called the chief strategist. He was almost like a sort of second chief of staff of very powerful player and a very close advisor to trump did however have a falling out with trump as the years passed he clashed with some of the more moderate people inside of trump's especially, some of the president's children or his son-in-law Jared Kushner. End So then left the white. House. But he's continued to exist in this kind of very conservative space. He has a podcast. He's still talks with other people in this world. Here's your host Steven. K bannon. Welcome back to war room. We even know he's not in the White House and the status of his relationship with trump is pretty unclear. Right now trump says he hasn't talked to him in quite a while he was very influential figure you know both in trump's campaign in in getting him elected president and then once trump was in the White House. So then after Steve. Bannon was pushed out of the White House and even though he's continuing to make himself kind of a known presence and having podcast I guess so much confidence just on my hair in my in in in in the Tan. I am I'm still trying to lose the weight I think I'm getting there I'm not. I'm not totally don't laugh fish in that totally there yet. How did that develop into these into what he is being accused of doing? Yeah. So in in December of twenty eighteen this guy named Brian Cole Fads who is like gay another person in this world of very conservative guy he's actually a air force veteran who lost three of his limbs in Iraq. He's commiserating with a fellow conservative activists This is around the time that government is about to shut down over a dispute between trump and congress about the president's border wall and this guy brings up the idea. Hey, what if we just raised money for the border wall that we could give to the government to build a border wall? In other words, solicit private donations, the way it's described to me is Brian Cole Fudges really upset like Gosh the government is going to such shutdown. Why won't Congress just give trump the money he needs but hey, we don't need them. Let's just raise it on our own. There are so many conservatives out there. Let's just ask them to give to go fund me page a couple of months earlier this activists that Brankova just talking to had introduced him to Steve. Bannon. And a separate kind of conservative 'cause this guy brings on Bannon to run this operation sin Steve Gets involved and what is he do from there like what is he actually in charge of? It sounds through the way prosecutors describe it like he's in charge of the whole operation he you know him and a business partner that he brought on kind of run things day to day. So this effort you know which sounds a little outlandish like I'm just GonNa start a gofundme me to build the border wall, which you know is going to be a multibillion dollar effort. But within the first week, this group raises seventeen million dollars. Like it actually sort of takes off so and then Bannon is charged with running it though they hit hiccups right away. You can't just give money to the government and say, Hey, spend it on this. So the group learns this even the seventeen million they have they can't just give it to the government and the government will promise to put it into the border wall go fund me kind of raises some concerns with them particularly because at this point, they haven't identified A. Nonprofit. Your when you have a go fund me for a cause like this, the money's supposed to go to a nonprofit but they haven't identified at this point one. We'll go to while Steve Bannon who kind of takes charge of this ultimately creates one they agreed to kind of re ask donors hey, we can't give this money into the government, but we could just hire a private company ourselves to build the wall. How would you feel about that and Bannon is running this whole thing I have some questions. Every station, this process And then what part of in this process is the part where? Bannon does something that is allegedly fraudulent. Yes. Well, here's where it kind of goes off the rails. The group is concerned they have to essentially re raise this money they solicit to seventeen million in the first week. I think eventually they get up above twenty, but it's all go fund. Me Hasn't go fund me as threatening to give it back to donors if they can't identify nonprofit they do get this nonprofit, but they still tell you go funny makes them essentially have donors opt in so you've given the money but now you're changing your purpose a little bit. You've gotTA re opt in to convince people. To opt in federal prosecutors say they tell donors Brian coal-fired will not take a dime of this money. You know he's not taking a salary bannon says publicly, this is a volunteer efforts and that's basically making the case or trying to make donors comfortable knowing this is actually going to go to that purpose of building the wall is just like giving money over to these people who are GonNa. Pocket it correct. Yeah. It's trying to convince people you know one hundred percent of your contribution is going to go to the wall. It's not GonNa go to make Brian Cole Ridge or Steve Bannon Ridge prosecutors say in fact. Hundreds of thousands of dollars that were raised did do that Cole I. Took a salary. They routed this money through. You know various other entities to disguise how it was getting to him. Steve, Bannon took hundreds of thousands of dollars to other guys who were involved at the same thing and prosecutors say that's fraud because they had represented to donors that we're not gonNA do that. So the charges that are filed against Bannon now, how serious are they in? What could the potential punishment be if he is found guilty? Some very serious case. It's hard to know what a potential punishment could be at this stage. I'm not. There's a statutory maximum that I'm sure is really high. It's a white collar crime though it, it's to charges to conspiracy charges, federal charges. This was serious enough. I'll say it this way that they went and pulled him off a yacht. This wasn't like a ticket you know, hey, go come in an answer for these civil loss is our. Federal criminal charges that ultimate resulted in his arrest and has bannon said anything publicly about these charges and has he admitted to any event? No bannon has bit back very hard. So the day after he was arrested, he had a court appearance. He got released with some bond conditions and he came out and basically said, this is all political effort against people who want to build the wall and yesterday look yesterday what I said coming out of. The courthouse and I gotta say how did I miss turn into the TV cameras and go into the the print cameras donald trump would never make a mistake. He would automatically note to the TV cameras on one side. He made similar comments on his podcast. The next day I am not going to back down this a political hit job everybody knows I love a fight in I was called Honey Badger for many years honey badger doesn't give a so. I'm in this for the long haul. Fight I'm going to continue to fight. This was to stop and intimidate people that want to talk about the wall. This is to stop an intimidate people that have president trump's back on building the wall. He really has come out swinging and we've been trying to reach other people involved in the group. A lot of them are just sort of saying I. Didn't know about any of this I want to wait and see what happens one woman who I talked to. WHO. was involved with the group. Told me last week she's a little bit skeptical of the charges. She claims that the representation they made donors wasn't that Brian Fudge would never take a salary but wouldn't take a salary until the first mile the wall was built and they did actually end up building two small sections of Wall it really. Yeah. It was sort of far short of what they sometimes advertised I'm we're talking about less than five miles total by their account. And there's been some questions raised about whether it's structurally viable, but this wasn't like this was whole cloth. Went to ban and they they did build them all. I think it's so notable that. So many of the people in Trump's orbit especially from his his first campaign in from early on in the administration that there are people who have been charged with crimes, and in many cases have been convicted of crimes I think a lot of Americans look at that and say that these are people who had been inordinately targeted by federal prosecutors said trump is so political that his administration is so political that they are that these charges are being used as a form of targeting him. But I also think that you could just make the case that the people around trump don't seem to be that worried about following the law. Is So Brian Co, five, the guy who founded this we build the wall effort has made that exact case you know were being targeted because we're trump supporters and the justice department has made a habit of doing that. I. Think another point that I would make on that though is that when trump ran for office, he promised to surround himself with the best. People. He said he was going to drain the swamp. And now you have more than half a dozen of his top level, former campaign and administration advisors. Be convicted or charged and Bannon's case of crimes. His former campaign manager Paul Manafort. His deputy campaign manager. Rick Gates, his former National Security Advisor Mike Flynn his former personal lawyer Michael Cohen Roger Stone whose another close associate of his George Popadopoulos sort of lower level campaign adviser. In a couple of these cases, of course, the allegations had to do with trump for his campaign or or cover-ups allegedly for the benefit of trump. But in Bannon's case in some of the others, these were just personal straight up allegations of personal greed. Matt's Petoskey covers the Justice Department for the Post. Now, one more thing. The actor Chadwick Bozeman died on Friday of colon cancer. He was forty three years old. Bozeman made a career out of playing icon ick blackledge onscreen Jackie Robinson James Brown Thurgood Marshall but what he will Be Most remembered for his role as king to Challah or better known as Black Panther. Along To turn your back zone the rest of the world. He led the of how discovery stop us from doing what is right? Normal. Black Panther was one of those movies where you remember where you were when you saw it. You remember who you saw it with and you remember how it felt coming out of that theater in all and excited. But also with this incredible sense of pride of seeing a black superhero who wasn't a sidekick but was instead of king. and seeing a world where blackness is synonymous with power and ingenuity and prosperity. It was a superhero movie but it was so much more and so was Chadwick Bozeman. Bozeman was a graduate of power which is kind of. Of its own and in two thousand eighteen shortly after the release of Black Panther he gave the university's commencement speech wanted to play a little of that for you today. It is a great privilege graduates to address you on your day walking what are the most important accomplishments of your life to date. This is a magical place. A place where the dynamics of positive and negative seem to exist in extremes. I remember walking across this yard and what seemed to be a random day my head down lost in my own world of issues like many of you do daily. I'm almost at the center of the yard I raised my head and Muhammad Ali was walking towards me. Time seemed to slow down as his eyes locked online. And Open wide. He's raised his fist to acquitted central guard. I was game to play alone with him to act as if I was a worthy opponent. What an honor to be challenged by the goat. The greatest of all time for a brief moment. I walked away amused at him. Amused at myself amused at life for this moment that almost? No, one would ever believe. I walked away light ready to take on the world that is the magic of this place. Almost anything can happen here. A. Few. The teams have both men's commencement speech and really one of the themes of his career was about taking the more difficult route battling against typecasting and the roles of people think you're supposed to play and instead choosing the path of more resistance to take on the roles you know that you're destined to play whatever you choose four career prep. Remember the struggles along the way are only Mitt to shape you for your purpose. When I dare to challenge the system that we relegate us to victims and stereotypes with no clear historical backgrounds hopes of talents when our question that method of portrayal, a different path opened up for me. The Patch Ma destiny. God has something for you. It doesn't matter who says against it. Got will move someone is holding you back away from door. Put someone there who will open it for you. For you. I don't know what your future use. But if you're willing to take the hardaway. The more complicated one the one with more failures at first successes. The one that has ultimately proven to have more meeting well, Victory More glory the You will not regret it. Now. This is your time. Chadwick died from colon cancer at the age of forty three. That's IT for post reports. Thanks for listening. You can learn more about the stories today show at post reports, DOT COM, and join the conversation online using the Hashtag post reports. I'm Martine powers. We'll be back tomorrow with more stories from the Washington Post.