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The Ousting of Donald Sterling

Slate's The Gist

33:13 min | 1 year ago

The Ousting of Donald Sterling

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It's at slate dot com slash gist news news now on with the possibly filthy show it's Wednesday September eleventh two thousand nineteen from slate the gist i Mike Pesca remember where I was ten years ago today this very day in fact there was a record of it since NPR aired a report that I did did as part of a series of high school football the high school team that I was covering was the Fort Campbell Falcons located in Fort Campbell Kentucky though the Bay a stretched into Tennessee on this night is ten years ago. I was listening to a retired command. Sergent major tough season decorated aided combat veteran screaming head off to a bunch of sixteen year olds. It shook the locker room walls. The new army bases used to the war of well-trained highly unskilled young men on this night the Falcons face the only other team located on domestic military base the Fort Knox Eagles. They call it the army ball all week. Falcons head coach Sean Burner has been reminding his team that this year's game special because awesome date on the calendar. You're not GonNa get another opportunity guys seniors. This is it. This is your last opportunity high school football and it's the last opportunity opportunity to play in this army bowl and it's scheduled on nine eleven. That's mean a lot to you especially for what your parents to guys make your parents proud every kid on the team every kid in that school in fact had at least one parent in the military and I was thinking about my time in Fort Campbell recently family and when I say time before Campbell how I would typically do. These reports is getting on a Monday. Stay with the team for week of practice and then cover the game. They played on on a Friday. The reason I was thinking about four Campbell is not because it's nine eleven not because of the wars in Afghanistan and inviting the Taliban Camp David not because football season started for Campbell specifically has been in the news for Campbell's on the front page of The New York Times a few days ago and I will tell you why after I play this next clip from my decade old report. The team runs an intricate no huddle offense that requires each player to think on the fly and the coaches know what the kids are going through off the field senior. You're Chris Allen says the biggest difference between playing for a team. That's on a military base filled. Only with military kids and playing on any other team is the difference between friendship and kinship. Alan wants played at a public high school office. You'd be down one day not they wouldn't even know your parents were gone. You'd be down one day be crying. They just asked what happened and you tell them and they'll be we like oh man because they haven't heard it before and they don't know what to do and then they would just let it go off but here everybody knows how what the feeling is and they had come for. You and it's just a whole lot better environment for this last. Year's deployments were worse than just frustrating the father of Josh Carter the senior leader of the defense was killed in Afghanistan even more than two hundred soldiers based at four Campbell of lost their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan. This was the first time in principle Dave Witty's four years at Fort Campbell that the parent of one of his students had died when word it came out of the death within within an hour I would say almost every coach was at the students house they were there to support. They were there to work. They were the kids came over and they're to support in there to work. So that's kind of a brotherhood. It was at least an acknowledgment that there would be sacrificed but it would be shared now. I'll tell you why four Campbell was in the news for Campbell is the military base that has been and denied a desperately needed new Middle School. The current middle school is so overcrowded. That's some students have to eat lunch in the library and the reason the badly needed the new school won't be built. Even though the money was set aside is that sixty two point six million dollars allotted to the Fort Campbell community and their new Middle School is is being taken from them in order to build a border wall between the United States and Mexico the thanks that the families who are the the parents at Fort Campbell which is to say the soldiers in our army. The thanks they are getting is that their kids will have to cram together some more to we'll have to sacrifice some more as if what they already sacrifice on an ongoing basis is not enough because our president could not through normal Democratic Appropriations Fund his signature project so that got me to thinking about Fort Campbell and a team the football team team that was a worrying attack squadron now the current four Campbell football team. I just looked it up. Owen three but back then they were unstoppable. Applicable happened to witness the fourth win of the season that would become an undefeated season culminating in a state championship so it was gratifying defying to be able to end that piece this way but also disappointing to realize just how much the sentiment that I expressed in two thousand nine ah no longer holds up using football as a metaphor for life is not unique to Fort Campbell a place where they're resigned to the fact that life's harsh lessons cannot be stopped but there's comfort in knowing that on Friday nights neither can the football team on the show today. I should feel about to rich men named Donald but first thirty for thirty is the ESPN series film and podcast and they are now out with a five part series about the La Clippers the worst team in the NBA now you may recall that the owner of the La Clippers. Should we say the erstwhile owner. Donald Sterling was caught making racist assist remarks on an audiotape recorded by his mistress vis-a-vis Yano and thus began the unraveling of Mr Sterling's Basketball Holdings Ramona Shelburne is the reporter who joins US next to talk about thirty thirty the sterling affairs from Connecticut to California from Mississippi Society of Minnesota. Millions of American businesses are using Google tools to grow online businesses like strider bikes in rapid city. South Dakota are using tools like Google goule market fine during Google ads to expand their reach and connect with more customers globally and more customers globally means that strider bikes can hire more employees back home in in the US the grow with Google initiative is committed to helping American businesses like strider bikes use the web to grow. That's why grow with Google provides free digital digital skills workshops and one on one coaching too small businesses in all fifty states helping them get online connect with new customers and work more productively learn more at at Google dot com slash grow. That's Google Dot Com. Slash grow thirty for thirty the excellent audio documentary series. I hear it's also a video thing but you know we hear in the world of the gist in podcasts like audio and their newest feature is a five part series called the sterling affairs plural for reason. It's about Donald Sterling the former former owner of the Los Angeles Clippers and as you recall the racist tapes that essentially got him boot from the league there is so much more to that it is reported reported by Ramona Shelburne who is a great reporter for the NBA. You know I bet you right now. She has the contact number of one hundred. NBA Players There's writing her phone and she could text all of them but she brings these storytelling skills to bear on this fascinating winding Towel Ramona. Thanks for joining me humanity like a big group text award for how many current NBA all stars are in your phone right now. Oh all stars that's different than just players because sometimes your best sources. Is there not all-stars Odin politics right or just you know literally like there's twelve guys on the team and sometimes your best sources are like number ten eleven one and twelve yeah. I have a lot of numbers in my head but it's interesting like it's all the communication with players has really changed. Even since I've been a reporter order like we always used to text everybody and now you kind of pick up the phone and call because we're in an age of screen shots and people are hyper or aware of that when this whole thing was brewing with the clippers. What was your sort of? NBA West of the Mississippi for ESPN. I was working for Espn Los Angeles at the time time which is I guess there's still a website that says Espn Los Angeles but it's it's not really a thing anymore right. I was just like the local. La based reporter but I wasn't even just NBA with like cover the dodgers sometimes we just got done covering the mcchord scandal out here which is so we were like in this era very high profile rich owners behaving badly well. There's behaving badly as in financial chicanery and trying to show that you earn more than you do which actually wasn't a big donald sterling trait. He actually had all the money he just didn't want to spend it and apparently as we found out harbored some horrible opinions now. Tell us where you were when you learned about it and how big you thought it was immediately. Oh my gosh I mean the clippers. Kinda like my first beat. So I was a little cub reporter. At the Daily News. Nobody was covering the clippers and so they I would say Kai. Can I go cover clipper games and they're like yeah sure whatever cooper's you know for me. It was really exciting to get to cover an NBA team. I was like it was just great experience and so I actually had been around Donald and I had been around a a lot of the key players in this going all the way back to two thousand eight so in this happened like I knew everyone like i. It was like an easy story for me to like jump into right away and call everyone and earn the level of and I had a level of trust with pretty key sources on this and I think that is is critical when you're reporting on a scandal like this because when everything gets really loud people only talk to those that they know they're not GonNa talk to like some person in from TMZ or some like I had heard stories that tabloid reporters were going on linked in BIOS and calling everybody from the clippers trying to get them to open up and tell them things and it was really like everyone was descending on them and so you know there was a few of us in La who had been around the clippers for five or six years and just knew a lot of the staff and we were kind of the only ones who people felt comfortable opening up to but also like we have the human connection to it like I had been around Donald Sterling and so I wasn't like shocked when he said those things I mean it is shocking audio when you hear it but I was covering a game up in Portland. There was a there was like a really long break in between the Warriors Clippers game and it was game three so rather than just sit around in the bay area. I went up to Portland to cover a another playoff game. It was like I was literally sitting courtside at the game in Portland whether you're playing the rockets and the news S. calls and it was like have you seen this. TMC Tape if you heard this. What are we doing. What's going on here and I was like I don't know send it to me and obviously you know I read the deadspin article I read the TMZ Article. I listened to the tape and it was like whole my God that he said all that I knew is getting huge. I don't know that I realized President Obama would become commenting on it within a few days or that it would become the focal point or the flash point four an owner losing his franchise. When did that dawn on you or anyone else involved in the story now like I don't think I I don't think we realize how big it was gonna be like I knew huge and go viral and there was a little side of me though and I and quite a few as at least who had been around the team so much like because we knew Donald and because we had a sense of how he reacted to being shamed rightly publicly shamed that never bothered him this one of the columnists in L. A. Mark Heisler whose longtime columnist with L. A. Times he literally wrote Dear Donald Letters almost every week every that we're like just making fun of him like lampooning him every week and the L. A. Times for decades and it didn't seem to bother Sterling so oh. I think the reason why we didn't realize how big this was going to get at. I like that he would have to sell and all this is because he had been raked over the coals so many any times and nothing had ever happened to so this was the beginning of it being a player's oriented league and this was this was the boldest thing I've ever seen a commissioner. Schnur do and his hand was enforced and he booted sterling from the League and there was plenty of opportunity to do that before hand. There was just never the will from either leadership or everyone else around basketball so when you're constructing a five episode podcast series where each of these episodes are going to be big and long in media and they need to have structure and direction you have to have have a few through lions and North Stars and one of my biggest nor stars was why this scandal why this mistress why now what were the exact conditions that made this the scandal that took Donald Sterling down and changed the NBA forever yeah and also as you say there are two fault lines under California one uh-huh Andrea. Someone is race and without that element if this was a sex scandal if this was a finance scandal if this was a scandal that didn't have that element of race that just confronted fronted the very players that sterling employed. I don't know that it would have blown up so much I mean you. Did you hear episode three where I have to read that really really disgusting deposition he gave. Oh yeah like I mean that stuff had been public that was in like the drudge report back in Tammy and they were there was no shaming Donald Sterling into doing anything and there really wasn't an outcry over his housing discrimination settlements is lawsuits like you know really bad stuff that happened with previous mistresses there was none of that and that never took him down and I think having grown up in Los Angeles so I was here when there were riots after the Rodney King Verdict I was here after the OJ Simpson Verdict I was here for a lot of that so like I felt so acutely. I think that race in La like people still felt unresolved about it. They're really had you know Jay was. OJ was not convicted right and there was a big celebration on the African American in community and not just african-americans but like that was that was seen as like an ESPN did a wonderful thirty for thirty documenting why that was such a victory right but there were a lot of p. That wasn't like a big citywide victory right. It was like there was a lot of conflict on that. There was a lot of division on that on that issue on this it was like like universally celebrated when Adam silver banned him for life. It felt like the entire city was getting a collective sort of justice. There's no way you can hear those tapes and not think he's racist and then you dig a little deeper and find out about the housing discrimination and the what he had done to minorities is in this city all across the city and it was like a collective celebration. Let's talk about vis-a-vis honor so when you reporting on the clippers was it known. Did you know I know he had mistresses and this was one of his mistresses. Oh Yeah I didn't know directly. She was around all the time. I kinda finally tried to steer clear of sterling when he was just this sort of creepy guy that I just didn't want to have a lot to do with. I was just happy to deal with Andy Rosier or Neil old. Shay or Gary Sacks who was one of the WHO was the general manager at the time like those were the basketball operations people and their PR guys were great. Seth Burton Dennis Rogers There Rob Glen Joe Safety like we you know we we dealt with those guys so sterling was just like this guy that you kinda just try to steer clear but like he was always sitting courtside with some. I'm like young mistress looking woman right and shelly was sometimes there sometimes not but it wasn't something like you tried to pay attention to if anything you were like averting your eyes I think the player saw a lot more because and you hear from them in this podcast because I think the was much more aggressive assist assertive publicly trying to assert it to say like I am Donald's girlfriend. I Am v I am. I'm here and she would say. I'm going to be running the clippers one day. I we didn't know that all at the time like it was literally like you just averted your eyes but I think the players couldn't avert their eyes like she was just there so this there are a couple of really interesting things about how it all played out one. Is that it. It seemed like an extremely hard decision. I'm sure it was but it was one of those hard decisions that once you make it only resulted in talking about Adam Silver's decision boot imprint league only resulted in good things for silver good things for for the NBA every other owner you replace the worst owner in the sport. Donald Sterling with Steve Bomber the richest owner in the sport you immediately probably double the value of your franchise because of how much bomber was willing to pay shelly sterling gets everything she ever had when she was the titular owner or owners wife of the Clippers Donald even made a lot of money the player Sterling Butts such goodwill from the players because of that decision. It seems seems like a win win win win win and of course the odious sterling is out of the League only and and I don't know maybe this is merely an objection on paper a hypothetical. I do think that there is something odd with a man having his property stripped because of the opinions he expressed expressed that he might not even known we're being recorded and in that very set of circumstances was the adjudication the official legal adjudication that he suffered from dementia mean if Donald Sterling wasn't this terrible guy and you gave me that set of circumstances. An old man suffering from dementia is secretly taped taped and other owners who financially benefit blue strip him of his property. I would say there's something not right. There and I think that there was a lot of owners making that argument. I could own an NBA team with this sort of actually like I remember having these conversations with Max bleacher who was Donald's longtime attorney. He was in his eighties back then and bobby. It's me who came in later like I actually saw donald side of things like from a legal perspective. Donald had a decent case but he was never going to win because Adam silver had sort of these wartime powers this executive order power to do what was in the best interest of the game and I think it was pretty obvious that once once sponsor started pulling their advertising league once it was costing the other owners financially like he had all the grounds he needed but it was also like when you're an NBA franchise owner. It's like owning a McDonald's right you. Did you watch the movie. The founder Jeff about Michael Keaton is yeah so when other places start serving you know they all want to change the menu. They don't want to like Oh you know. I don't really WANNA do big MACs here. In Idaho. We Wanna serve whatever right and the idea is no. You're a Franchisee. You're going to serve. McDonald's and McDonald's needs to be the same in in Buffalo as it is in Phoenix as it is in Orlando and if I get a big Mac there it's going to have the same sauce and the same lettuce in the same beef and that's the whole idea of being a Franchisee is he right. It's the same in the NBA and that is how you get to Adam. Silver gets to do it he did which is we're not forcing you to sell your private private property. K. Legally all we're doing is revoking your franchise less right right. You see what I'm saying. You're you're and all they're doing is saying saying you change the sauce on the big. Mac and you're not a McDonald's anymore so you can have this team. You can call them the clippers but they're not an NBA team anymore and therefore. We're just going to disband the team yeah. We'll have an expansion draft. Will you know your players who have contracts that are with the NBA Players Association. Nations can now find you in breach of the contract they have with you and then they can be dispersed. They can be let go of their contracts and they can be you know free agents wherever they want to go and that was actually the way they would have got rid of him and that was what Shelly Sterling looked at and said Oh. They're not going to take the team and sell it for us. They're just going to disband the team and she said she had to and that's why she felt okay. We've got a cell that is good analogy allegation. I would think that in that analogy the clippers are more like a jack in the box than a McDonald cases like. La Yeah it is La and less. What did you learn from doing the five part podcast because you had reported it out so extensively so what was new that you found out in the podcast. This is where I always come back to this moment where Julia lowry Henderson and I Julia's the my incredible producer on this and she would she came out work really closely like I we I would take two or three weeks at a time and just like go duck out of my day job where I cover the NBA in real time and then go on this podcast for like three weeks head down really hard then Julia would come out we drive all around Beverly Hills and kind of discover this like underground of people who are rich adjacent that WanNa be richer and there's a whole ecosystem of people who are who are live in Beverly Hills but are not actually wealthy healthy. They just do whatever it takes to be around wealthy people that was really eye opening for me. Even though like you know those people existed Arista Viana was one of them I think I remember Julia finding that Alexander Castro case and I had known Donald had other mistresses but it wasn't until we started hurted really reading those depositions and legal briefs and figuring out wow this has actually happened several times before that a lot of Castro's testimony in her depositions she talks about just like the same kind of behavior and then the lawsuit that Shelley Shelly joins the lawsuit and they actually it's very similar playbook to what ends up happening with v you realize like Oh. This wasn't just Visa Viana. This wasn't just this mistress. This was a pattern that donald had had with many other women. I didn't understand that five years ago. I only knew the thirty years ago that the League had tried to get him out but I think part of why we didn't know all that stuff is like when you just look at a mountain of bad behavior for thirty years and it's all like it's just easy not to you get into the details because it's like you. Just mostly want to avoid it. Ramona Shelburne is the reporter behind the new season of thirty for thirty the sterling affairs affairs told in five parts with a bunch of bonuses and more twists and turns than let me try to think then Barron are in Davis weaving through a full court press. They go thank you so much. Ramon Day species those funds. I do so love my cats. Let me tell you a little a bit about them Oliver. He he's definitely going to be the one to protect us from squirrel outside when the squirrel shows up near a window that guy he's got his hackles tackles raised and he's ready to fight. Thank you Oliver downside when he's hungry. He'll jump on your faced layla on the other hand. She's great with the licking of the face. Lots of looking at the face ace both a good thing in a bad thing. Yeah looks both ways but there is one thing about the cats. I don't love so much. It's the litter box the Y. Arm and Hammer created new cloud control litter there is no cloud of Nasties when you scoop it is one hundred percent dust free free of heavy perfumes and help reduce airborne gander from scooping the what happens in the litterbox stays in the litterbox new cloud control cat litter her arm and hammer more power to Ya and now the Spiel if you've been listening to this tale this tally meg low maniacal racially discriminatory cheap millionaire who loathed to being called Don or donald by his subordinates but loved putting his surname on properties he's and if that reminded you of someone guess what it reminded. Ramona also these sterling trump comparison is one as her reporting bears out one that was eagerly made by Donald Sterling himself. This is from the thirty thirty sterling affairs episode three sterling like putting his name on everything preferably in big Gold Letters Sterling Plaza Sterling Ambassador Tower Sterling International National Towers. When you look Donald Sterling you have a tendency to want to compare him to donald trump west sterling love that comparison in fact not invited he wanted everyone to think of him as rich powerful and dashing so in one thousand nine hundred nine he hired his longtime friend. Michael salesman to help him mm spread that message I got him on the cover of California magazine as the man who would be trump on the west coast there it is California magazine July one thousand nine hundred nine the man who would be trump in big white letters the comparison between the two Donald's is off in some ways but in an important way it's bigger than you may even realize so. Donald Sterling was ruthless brazen and mercenary but there is every bit of evidence that he was actually a true billionaire. His properties really were valued in the billions and that was an evaluation that a fake underlying to browbeat a Forbes Forbes reporter in order to achieve sterling was also actually was the owner of a major professional sports team not a USFL owning buffalo low bills reject tea and he was successful because he was so mercenary in fact one way to if not appreciate that understand surly sterling success is to realize that there is a bonafide case to be made that he played the NBA ownership game better than anyone else did. All the other owners were chasing championships so that means they often spent lavishly and got losing or mediocre records. Sterling erling on the other hand would spend parsimoniously and achieved these similar losing record. If you step outside the mindset that there's a morality to the attempt in winning that there is a virtue in striving to hoist a trophy and you just think of the way to keep score as the valuation of Your Franchise Sterling can be said to have played the game as good as anyone ever has a rational economic actor would look at the NBA and assess that all the franchises values values rose as the value of the League rose the value of the League would rise as franchisors try to outdo each other in building entertaining teams an interesting fan experiences because the fan experiences would drive ticket prices and that allowed them to pay higher salaries but if thirty teams this attempt this twenty-nine fail every year the best outcome would be to win all the time but since no team can win all the time the Optimal Strategy Ritchie is not to try to win but to draft off everyone else's attempts and to see your valuation go up with a guaranteed low expenditure which which is exactly what Donald Sterling did. It's what to some extent the owners of baseball's. Miami marlins tried to do with the previous owners of the Cleveland Cavaliers also attempted it makes sense and if you put the fact that Donald Sterling wasn't unethical operator in many many many other ways this strategy strictly speaking is not wrong now. Donald Trump on the other hand has never been so clever as to get himself in that kind of situation where he could just sit by as his partner or spend money and he benefits Donald Trump is a man who licensed his family name to a brand of stakes for a million dollars arguably devaluing his family name by much more than a million dollars with the failure of the brand extension but what Donald Trump does and here's where the comparison is really really on on target with Donald Trump does and what donald sterling did was never take their eyes off. The prize and the prize is wealth. It's not power. It's not success. It's not esteem. It's not women. They both had a character failing for women. The prize is wealth. Both men live their lives to accumulate wealth. The Donald Trump presidency is best understood as being born of profit motive and conducted in a slipshod haphazard to and fro way that defies every explanation except for this one through line the personal enrichment of Donald Trump not saying in trump's very good at it just that no one has ever conceived the presidency in this way I mean the founding fathers were worried about it witnessed the emoluments clause but donald trump trump is a pioneer. There are many different explanations for trump's motivations. You'll hear them all. They seem to be at odds but they're not. Let's acknowledge. He's in it for for ego gratification. He enjoys the adulation of the crowds. He can't help but lashing out at any criticism no matter how small or how true but the reason that trump is in office is not for power or self-aggrandizement these are abstract concepts for a non abstract thinker. Everything everything trump does is to make money. It's all he knows it explains all of his actions granted previous presidents have also had selfish motivations but selfishness in the case of those politicians was a political selfishness to get reelected or to advance their agenda or their status or the standing in their party party or of their party not trump he's Venal. He wants more money and if he leaves office more hated but more rich well. That's been the hallmark mark of his entire career his life and don't you doubt that he will tell us about it over and over again he'll brag about how smart he was as evidenced by how oh well his business did as the result of him being president and he will call his critics all bitter and he will call us all suckers and in this case for once he'll be right and that's it for today show just as produced by Daniel Schrader who also has holdings policies Blake Griffin's and doc rivers numbers on speed dial he also it being twenty nine thousand nine you to speed dial and if you have an impressive producers rolodex or simply want to acquire one come join the staff of the gist the associate producer position is open it calls for some creative bold and fun slate dot com slash jobs the gist for years. Frankie Moon news was also our second biggest celebrity fan who predappio do Peru and thanks for listening.

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THE STERLING AFFAIRS Part 1: That Tape

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35:46 min | 1 year ago

THE STERLING AFFAIRS Part 1: That Tape

"From e._s._p._n. You're listening to thirty for thirty podcasts. My name is jody aggregate. Welcome to our fifth season of original audio documentaries as we've done before. We're devoting the entire season two one story. It's told over five parts. It's about a scandal that rocked the n._b._a. And tells us a lot about how power race and celebrity intersect in modern sports for this season. We're excited to work with e._s._p._n.'s ramona shelburne one of our top n._b._a. Reporters an l. a. native and someone who's been covering this story from the moment. If broke ramona is your host for all five episodes a quick word of warning this season contains mature subject matter and language wjr and now coming up after the break from thirty for thirty and the undefeated sterling affairs thirty for thirty podcasts is brought to you by delta airlines delta flies the three hundred cities around the world work. That's three hundred cities where everyone does the same things you that's three hundred cities where the people in those three hundred cities think they're the only ones who know about that one place three hundred cities where people miss someone in one of the other two hundred ninety nine cities three hundred cities where people sing in the car or in the shower or both poorly delta isn't flying three hundred cities merely to bring us together put to show us were not that far apart in the first place delta he climbing emme shelly sterling thought she was just going to return some close to neiman marcus when she got in her mercedes benz station wagon and made the dry from malibu to beverly hills. It was early in the spring of two thousand fourteen and even even though shelly was almost eighty years old she was still going into town is rich. People call beverly hills four or five days a week. It's hard to guess. Shelley's is age if you don't know it because she keeps her hair this convincing pale blond interfaces very well-maintained driving into beverly hills is basically like entering a state park for the rich and famous there are the iconic brown and yellow signs that like you know you have entered a special place and shelly sterling thing in her husband donald own a ton of it over there sixty year marriage the sterling's bill real estate empire in their heyday. They were the largest residential landlords l._a. County but most people knew her husband donald sterling as the longtime owner of the los angeles clippers one of the worst owners in all of sports. His team was the laughing stock of the n._b._a. For decades for shelley it should have been would have been just a jot down rodeo drive to return some wildly expensive clothes but unbeknownst to her. Her husband was also at neiman marcus that day. With the woman forty nine years his junior named vis-a-vis auto she wasn't the first mistress on even close mm-hmm but fee was something different. Shelly told me that story. When we met in the winter of two thousand nineteen the beverly hills plaza is a hotel or my hotel as she calls it. Shelly was eighty four at the time but she can tell that story of that running with donald and v five years earlier with exacting detail i happened to be there to return something and she was there with donald and with some other friends and we had a big confrontation. She was very very very nasty and mean to me. What happened was that. She ran into shelly. I think at northeastern and they started talking and i guess things overhead veon lawyer mcnamara and when i told shelly sterling sterling his version of the story she scoffed it was at even marcus at first. I thought it was funny. That shelley took the time to correct him when here's a woman talking to to a female reporter but her husband's infidelity who cares whether you confront your husband's mistress outside of neiman marcus nord's but the details matter here's it's important to get it right because that meeting outside of neiman marcus that petty squabble between a wife and her husband's mistress set off a chain of events in that in the end lead to one of the biggest scandals and professional sports a controversy that forced the n._b._a. To finally deal with donald sterling after decades in his bad behavior and had ripple effects throughout the entire leaf. This is the sterling fares from thirty for thirty podcasts and the undefeated undefeated. I'm ramona shell. I've covered basketball in l._a. For a long time the n._b._a. the league of huge personalities analogies and even bigger egos fighting for power and if you want the real score vatsa game you have to follow. I learned pretty quickly that there's no other owner in basketball wall with quite the same personality or ego is donald. Sterling sterling wasn't a basketball guy. He was a personal injury lawyer and then he got filthy rich for a real estate. That's what he was really good at. I could never understand why he even gets a clippers when his reputation as an owner was so bad but that's because i always assumed that deep down he wanted what everyone in the game is supposed to want to win. The rich people like donald sterling multibillion other rich. People people don't live in the same world as the rest of us. Don't play by the same rules when you have enough money. It's like you're rubber. Everything just bounces off of you. <music> even three decades of driving an m._b._a. Franchise into the ground when you're as rich as donald and shelly you get to tell yourself that everything's thinks fabulous. I feel fabulous near me. He was just so fabulous. I was born and raised in l._a. And i've never heard anyone used the word fabulous as much as these two do. They were fabulous just fabulous even their court battles. I wanna thank everybody somebody who is healthy my attorneys they were fabulous and of course anything related to the team in the u._s. Team that won it all the fabulous american team. We are fabulous. Let's give a hand to america u._s._a. In donald sterling's life was fabulous abuse. Why would he think otherwise. Nobody ever questioned him to his face anyway. He did whatever he wanted. He said whatever he wanted. He had relationships relationships with whomever he wanted. I didn't know visa viana back then and yes. That is her real name. Fee just the letter v with period she she was born. Maria vanessa peres but change her name t._v. Severiano at about the same time she'd met donald that a super bowl party in two thousand ten before before that she'd been trying desperately to climb out of the poverty that she grown up in she'd been running a food truck business trying to work her way onto reality t._v. Shows cozying up to whomever was the most relevant powerful or famous then she met donald. There's an unwritten contract between young women and and they're very rich but much older sugar daddies that helps each side. Pretend it's about love and not sex for money. Never talk about age. Pretend looks don't matter money inter maze bags or gifts and never ever humiliate the wife but beast of yano either didn't know or didn't care because she broke every rule in the mistress terms and agreements. She went right at shelly. She said to the people in the office. I'm gonna own the office one day and she said to the clipper people. She says this is going to be my team. One day i mean just bold really bold and it all got back to me. You know she kept telling people she was going to be the next mr link. Catherine baumann is one of shelley's best friends ana longtime clippers fan she would stalk shelly she would watch where shelly would go and then she'd show up and i do remember one time. She went into the restroom where shelley was just paraded around showed off herself. Then chilly locked out at clippers games. The entire extended sterling universe was usually there and usually just feet from one on another sometimes shelly donald's at courtside seats together and sat in her seats directly across the court other nights v would sit next to donald and shelly it was nowhere to be seen clever players like ryan hollins and matt barnes got used to being around. You couldn't not notice her. She would just paraded around the arena and it's like it was so awkward like we kind of know what's going on what you're doing it in front of our faces as if we're silly and so it was <hes> situation situation nobody liked her new watching here and we all thought it was crazy to begin with the place to speak on at the time clippers employees often got caught in the middle of this bizarre triangle shelly would call team president andy rosen demanding that the not be allowed in the building and then donald would call rosa and ask him to leave four tickets for her. These were relationships begging to implode but none of the entangled ever tried to solve the problem donald shelley v each. I kept pushing each other waiting for someone to break well. The breaking started on christmas day. Two thousand twelve v called the sterling house asking to to speak to donald. We're sitting down christmas day having dinner and she called shelly was mortified. The the family was sitting at the dinner table waiting for donald as he's pacing on the tennis courts outside fighting with his mistress. I don't know they had some argument and the family heard about it. You know it just wasn't good see the fight was shelley started when he hung up not that that was uncommon even without fee they fought often but this was escalating shelly and donald youngest son scott had to step in before it got physical. He confronted his father demanded. He stop this nonsense with v and stop disrespecting his mother like this was a big moment but nothing came of it a week later scott died it was first reported to be a pulmonary embolism but later revealed to be an overdose he was thirty two and i don't think people realize this but you lost a child. I know right around then. January first shelley was devastated. I was going through the motions of living. It wasn't just that the fight with v was last volatile moment between donald donald scott when scott die donald state with fee instead of going home to his wife as she grieved too much she kicked on out of the house chilling needed breathing room and i think don had pushed the envelope a little too far. I really thought that we probably were going to be getting eight divorce but shelly and donald had been together too long been through too much together too much of their lives and their money intertwined they they did not divorce. The situation simply continued to deteriorate over the next year. Donald spent more and more time with plus. Shelly was starting to learn about the gifts posted pictures on instagram driving the two hundred forty thousand dollar red ferrari that donald had bought her and the range rover and the two bentleys susan shelley also found out that donald had bought fee one point eight eight million dollar duplex when i found out that he had paid for all the cars and he paid for this house i was furious. It was that anger that shelly kelly brought to neiman marcus with a returns on the fateful day that she encountered donald and it wasn't the first time the two women had run into each other or argued but at this time shelly decided she'd had enough and that's when i decided i was getting sewer and march seven two thousand fourteen shelly sterling filed a lawsuit in california superior court against feast ivano seeking the return of all those gifts from donald donald and shelly lee sterling were worth multiple billions of dollars and had done what the ultra rich do put all their money and property into a joint trust every redefine that the sterling spent 'cause each of them nickel therefore shall a argued the money that donald used to pay for the gifts was just as much hers. It was his so she turned to the courts. That's a little extreme. You don't know the sterling's calling a lawyers how they get out of bed in the morning to say they're litigious is like saying there's traffic on the four oh five and besides soon get what they want could prove incredibly effective for this early over the years. Most people didn't have the means or the stomach to battle them in court they'd settle before they starved. She kept saying to donald you'd better have dropped the lawsuit and he'd say oh she won't really go through with it but she's just doing doing it for effect and she says while she better dropped a lawsuit but here's how the lawsuit the courtroom product of a bedroom dispute really came to change every for some time now the had been recording her conversations with donald really i'm so sorry made in china oakland and according to her lawyer tall was aware she he was making the tapes so she told her that. I'm gonna start taping. You remind you what you told me. You told me keeping forgetting things he said to her in tapes were a way of reminding him. She was taping them everywhere. Please leave me alone. She'd recorded hundreds of conversations of the past two two years. A lot of the recordings were mundane boring but some of the recordings were arguments and capture decided donald that he would never want his wife or anyone what else do here. I don't know that maybe stupid no matter what the original intent of those tapes was they became something v. Could i use as blackmail because visa viana had no intention of returning those guests from donald she wanted me to drop. The lawsuit toovey says donald. I want that bitch wife of yours. Lawsuit dismissed here so donald is shelly sterling lawyer and he tried to get shelly dismiss that she wouldn't do it and if donald couldn't or wouldn't fix the situation decided she would take matters into her own hands it. It was time to use the tapes to reveal donald sterling for who he really wants thirty for thirty podcasts are brought to you by state farm these days everyone everyone is busy and may not know where to start when it comes to insurance will state farm has over nineteen thousand agents across the country who are here to help life go right. They're willing to sit down down and take the time to understand what's important to you and create a customized plan to help you protected when you have a state farm agent on your team. You can always trust that. They've got you state farm here to help life go right on april ninth. Two thousand fourteen clippers executive second assistant texted me on behalf of donald. The texts was to make sure that v understood she wasn't welcome at the game against the oklahoma city thunder later that evening evening that are tickets v._i._p. Pass center parking had been revoked the responded with a series of escalating texts saying she it was going to the game anyway then some veiled threats i would hate for staple center to get involved in what's going on three hours later. She got response mister sterling. Let me know if you need anything. They don't want to have any issues at the gate the header opening no you tell mr sterling you need anything nor do i want anything but thanks for asking but the games begin attached to the text was was an audio file and when the clippers employee opened the file. She heard this man. You don't to have yourself with walkie with black. People in august bothers me. If you want from broadcasts it's your uh-huh associated with black people you'll have to you'll filthy with flaxseed from. I'm not you and you're not me. You're supposed to be donkin wiser girl girl. It was shocking the clippers assistant immediately. The email defiled clippers president andy rosier and that's how shall i learned about the tape too. I didn't even know that the tape was sent to the clippers papers until somebody at a game told me that they said they received a tape from her and i said well. What is the tape about so. I said to andy andy rosa i said andy. What are you doing about this and he says oh well shall never do anything you had worked for donald sterling for nearly three decades. He did what everybody learns to do. After awhile stay the really ugly stuff mm-hmm donald and shelly had cleaned up their own messes for six decades he figured they'd eventually make this one go away to but they didn't <music> shelly told her lawyers about the tapes and they in turn went to vs lawyer and demanded to hear them and that's when vis-a-vis yano made her big move. You've got a call by a trusted confidential source. Who said you have to hear this. Mike walters was the news director or at t._m._z. At the time now he runs on celebrity news site the blast. The first thing i did was say who's donald sterling. I had heard the name. I knew that donald sterling was important but i had no idea that he owned the clippers even for someone from t._m._z. Whose job was breaking the internet with the juicy his most controversial stories. This felt like something different. I received the audio and said oh. My god brought cats with minorities why what's wrong with minority. What's wrong week throughout your whole life every day. You could do whatever you want. You can sleep with it and he could bring him in if he would. Have you want little. I asked you not the promoted on and not the rhythm for my things. It was the most repulsive disgusting disgusting unbelievable audio or moment that ever heard in my lifetime come come out of somebody's mouth that then once i realized who they were how much impact that may have but no one in the clippers swirled seem to realize the fact is shelley and several people in the clippers organization heard the recording and decided not to act on it or we're in paul's with enough to act on it. Maybe they didn't understand how big a splash this tape could make. I think this deals with very touchy. Subjects like racism sexism things that touch everyone in this country so i knew with all of that combined with the fact that it actually shaw was on tape and if i do my job properly everyone was gonna hear it that this would be a gigantic thick <music> so mike walters called up the n._b._a. Their new commissioner adam silver had barely been in office for three months. I actually had never heard of adam mhm silver until that day turns out not even t._m._z. was going to release something like this. Without some due diligence there is a balance between privacy the sea of people and the public's interest in what is said in this audio and i think everyone will agree with me when i say this. This had to be heard period after calling league. Tanzi called the clippers to let them know they were about to publish tape. It would be very damaging to donald sterling if you're donald sterling. There's never a good time to have your girlfriend out. You is racist <music>. If you're the clippers this could not have happened at a worse moment. Donald sterling's clippers have been a laughing stock for decades. That'd be because honestly like these clippers jones or something we they're not even jokes. Their statements facts i in the thirty years he'd owned the team. They made the playoffs six times. They'd never even move past the semifinals that had all started to change in the late two thousands. The team drafted a star blake griffin and n._b._a. Rookie of the year blake griffin and then ended up with another star chris. Paul los angeles is electric with the addition russian of chris paul to the clippers heard of the clippers before this after trade saga that rocked the n._b._a. And somehow ended up in favor of the perennial loser clippers or the n._b._a. Golden child the los angeles lakers. There buzz in los angeles has instantly shifted to the clippers in time for this season. The clippers had awesome managed to get themselves one of the best coaches in the n._b._a. Doc rivers. It's doc rivers to the clippers three years twenty one million dollars. There was a hope of stability talents. Even winning. Two thousand twelve saw one playoff run. Two thousand thirteen saw another two two thousand fourteen was going to be the year where they might finally contend for a championship. I'm excited to bring a championship here to l._a. And clippers uniform and now how cooper curse was about to rear its head again. The one thing i can always rely on is that the clippers screw things up once the clippers staff out t._m._z. was going to publish the tape. Andy roser went to coach doc rivers. He needed him to talk to the team before the story broke india. Remember coming in my office one day and said hey. There's a tape the t._m._z. Ask is gonna come out not that flattering but it's not a big deal. Honestly i thought it was the state because donald sterling. I really did so doc did is he was told and gathered the players and warn them that something was coming coming. Superstar clippers forward blake griffin and center ryan holland were in that round dark gathered us doc said hey guys we need to meet and talk. This is about not to come out. We don't know what the heck this is going to turn into. People are going to run with this. None of us realized the extent <hes> because we didn't hear the recording or whatever it was he tells tells us to kind of prepare yourself because we're playing golden state and the focus se han is win the game so i think we kinda guy well. This is another thing okay. We'll get ready for this game. Welcome back to sports center where we have some breaking news disturbing story including the owner of one of the n._b._a. Play-off teams by the t._m._z. drop drop this story at ten p._m. Pacific time on a friday night april twenty fifth two thousand fourteen is an audio recording purportedly of los angeles clippers owner donald sterling erling making racist remarks to his girlfriend is being investigated by the national basketball association. Walking publicly with black people full lurid yellow. I don't know that maybe you're stupid. I was covering the n._b._a. Playoffs for u._s. p._i._n. When the scandal broke like literally i was courts headed game in portland and i get this frantic phone. Call our news desk telling me. I had to listen to this tape. Thank you in like people on my instagram. Bothering me a lot of you want from broadcaster. I can see with black people suddenly playoff game between the trailblazers blazers and the houston rockets taking place in front of me seem completely insignificant file. My game story tried to start wrapping my head around this one. I i love the timing from they don't make everybody. I'm just saying in your band. You don't have to have your tau with walking with black people. You don't have to if you want to do it like t._m._c.'s. Mike walters soon as i heard that tape. I knew this was going to be huge. The disgraced clippers owner in the spotlight thoroughly has a long history of questionable behavior. Donald sterling has the mentality of an air surveillance slave masters obviously appalling. It's very disturbing but to be quite honest with you. I wasn't too surprised within hours. The audio of donald sterling making racist remarks to be savino had gone viral <music> t._m._z. cameramen and reporters swarmed the lobby at the clippers team hotel. They had book several rooms at the four seasons in advance so they could legally be inside the private property outside. The hotel was even more chaotic. The whole world wanted to reaction clippers team security. It is players and staffers to stay inside their hotel rooms as much as possible. They were on lockdown when it came out. I remember it just being chaos just from then on news. It's all anybody's talking about morning. The bron james the biggest star in the league saying there's no room for a person like donald sterling in the n._b._a. There's no room for that. In our game we've found a way to make this the greatest game in the world and for comments like that it taints game aim and we can have that came from a player we can't have from owner. We can have it from a fan and so on his own. It doesn't matter if you're black white hispanic whatever the case may be <hes>. We can't have that a part of our or game and across the country. Adam silver was facing his first real crisis n._b._a. Commissioner adam silver sitting down in memphis emphas- addressing the comments made by donald sterling the audio recording posted by t._m._z. is truly offensive and disturbing and we intend to get to the bottom of it as quickly as possible silver launched an investigation within hours. I am not yet prepared to discuss any potential sanctions against donald sterling. We will however move extraordinarily quickly in our investigation if it was sterling on those tapes if they hadn't been doctored or altered silver knew he wanted to punish him. Severely the league was outraged because on top of donald sterling saying all those unforgivably racist things sterling was also taking shots at one of the most beloved figures and all of basketball magic johnson. I saw someone i admire is my magic johnson. Okay good any he happens to these laughing. I'm sorry well. I think it's nice that you admire him. I know him well and he should be admired and i'm just saying too bad minor privately and in during your entire life the whole life admired him bringing your feed him game. I don't care if there's anything but don't looking for the call me. Don't look it. It was as shocking an as bazaars anything hang on the tape but a picture visa viana magic johnson had set him off to hear donald sterling talk that way about magic the guy who turned the lakers into a dynasty who fought off h._i._v. That's the guy donald sterling told his mistress wasn't welcomed his games plain and simple when you heard those comments magic what was your reaction was really upset. You know you can't understand in how hurt i was. He shouldn't own a team anymore. Especially when you have african americans renting his apartments coming to the games and plan for him and coaching for this this is bad for everybody is bad for america and so <hes>. I'm really upset about it. Even the famously apolitical michael jordan voiced voiced outrage michael jordan. There is no room in the n._b._a. Are anywhere else for the kind of racism and hatred that mister sterling allegedly expressed arrest we cannot tolerate must not tolerate discrimination at any level but the story was bigger than the n._b._a. It reveals something raw and ugly ugly. It triggered millions of people. It's like what one of the paparazzi who was tailing. Donald and shelly told me it had all the elements <music> sex money sports politics greed racism. It had everything it even had the visor your remember the visor and that daft punk welding mask meets florida grandma visor that visa viana war anytime she stepped outside of her house but still say nothing is visa viana not late this afternoon when she arrived home or when she left tonight wearing different clothes but color coordinated fe shields the woman who set this whole thing off was out the rollerblading for the paparazzi. Have you talked to mr sterling. Can you explain the mass was a full on media circus. Why are you wearing the shield. Why are you holding a microphone. I dunno. It's my job well then if my job by the end of the weekend the first black president of the united states the answering questions about sterling. I suspected the n._b._a. Is going to be deeply concerned. In resolving this week the united states <hes> continues. I used to wrestle with a legacy of race. The tapes dominated the news cycle not just because they were juicy but because donald sterling was articulating something deeper more shameful a plantation mentality. That's at the heart of a lot of this country's history. Do you know that gav fourteen plays for you just do i know i support them and give them food and clothes and cars who gives it to them. Someone else's to them. Do i for who makes the dean gamer. They made okay. That's an n._b._a. Owner a man worth billions of dollars going on for more than nine minutes spewing. The most vile of racist thought a white owner who's twenty man roster was stacked with a majority of african american players including ryan holland. Those words hurt hurt when you hear. I don't want people like that. Will the people like that play for you. The people like that. Ah your tickets the people like that believe just like u-b-e-r earthquakes both real and metaphorical oracle happened suddenly but they are anything but sudden tremor is a product of tensions that bill for years until the faultlines simply sleep break. Los angeles sits onto faultlines san andreas and race. All of us know it. We live with it. Donald sterling was another anyone who played for him or work for him for covered him in the press or lived in one of hundreds of apartments on the one hand knew that it was all a matter of time until he blew up the underlying issues with sterling were well known and well documented but like most insanely wealthy white men in america aca donald had managed to wiggle bully and fight his way out of all he knew how to play his leverage and powered outlast his adversaries and win. He can call it that but this time felt different. I remember i had said is really bad really bad and i knew something was going to happen. I didn't know what it was like shock. That's what we all were. It shocked but we shouldn't have been surprised. <music> thirty for thirty podcasts are brought to you by on star. Did you know on sarkin help. Recover stolen vehicle with stolen vehicle slowdown on unsorted visor can work with law enforcement to help. Get your stolen car back quicker and safer onstar be safe out there requires an onstar plan and working electrical system so reception g._p._s. signal doesn't prevent theft damage or loss details at onstar dot com coming up on the next episode of the stirling affairs. There was only one franchise. I would've ever contemplated by the san diego. Clippers donald was known for breaking his word in a deal donald. What you don't realize is your buildings. They can't talk back to you. Human beings can talk back to you and he said l. older how you doing with his hand on my shoulder romantic these muscles like now. I'm starting to sweat a little bit one that owns a professional franchise to shops around to <hes> <hes> find which player meet his needs and he buys them.

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Trailer: The Sterling Affairs

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03:46 min | 1 year ago

Trailer: The Sterling Affairs

"Coming august twentieth from thirty for thirty podcasts and the undefeated a story of basketball scandal and power in los angeles in any way you will for decades the l._a. Clippers were a laughingstock. Perhaps the worst and most poorly run franchise in all of sports and trendy los angeles. Two things are consistent the lakers win and the clips lose but then in the middle of the two thousand fourteen playoffs. The clippers suddenly got more attention than they could handle when the whole world heard this tape bam. Ask yourself walking with black people in bothersome. That's clippers owner donald sterling <unk> arguing with his mistress. Why can't you be walking with black people. Does it matter why yellow i ah we're devoting this entire season to a five parts story. The sterling affairs how that leaked tape of donald sterling led to one of the biggest scandals in sports and changed the n._b._a. Forever and it's hosted the ramona shelburne one of e._s._p._n. Top n._b._a. Reporters los angeles native herself and someone who's been following the story from the moment it broke. I must say that. I was rather naive when i bought the team in three different seasons. They didn't even win twenty games that makes them the losing est n._b._a. Team of the eighties eighties problems with the clippers owner ran deeper than mismanaging his franchise. He'd harass players as they ran up and down the court. Hey pooh pooh richardson. I'll pay you enough goddamn while the guys in the game put his hand on my shoulder. Rum and ladies muscles might mom's on the sweat a little bit. He just kept uh-huh balk. When donald sterling's mistress leaked tape it forced to recognise that it takes it's our game and we can have the players taking control and demanding change. These young men have millions of people following them and they know it all all land shut down a whole season. Donald sterling story is the n._b._a. Story but it's also l. a.'s story. His name was on half of beverly hills. He was the largest residential landlord in l._a. County i'm gonna use the term slum lord. You have a zero tolerance policy against housing in discrimination based on race correct. I would think so the things donald sterling said got to the heart of race and power our in sports and our society. I support them and give them food clothes and houses plantation metality who who makes the dean's. Why did it take thirty years to finally whole donald sterling accountable. People pretend tend to be so appalled. Yang knew who he was. Why are you surprised that's the sterling affairs from thirty for thirty podcasts in association with the undefeated featuring original interviews with blake griffin doc rivers commissioner adam silver shelly sterling and many more hosted by ramona. I shelbourne all five episodes available august twentieth more information thirty for thirty podcasts dot com slash sterling.

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30for30+: "THE STERLING AFFAIRS" (Part 1)

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30for30+: "THE STERLING AFFAIRS" (Part 1)

"Thirty for thirty podcasts is brought to you by our friends at state farm. State farm has over nineteen thousand agents across the country nineteen. Thousand is a huge number but but it's not the number that's impressive. It's the personal service and attention to detail. You can only get from your local state farm agent talk to a state farm agent today about combining combining the purchase of your home and auto insurance state farm here to help life go right hello and welcome to thirty for thirty podcasts. My name is jody arrogant and this is our bonus episode about the sterling affairs. Here's our latest season reported by ramona shelburne over the course of well ramona. Who's sitting here with nasal reporting this since the moment at broke working with us for a a year and a half or so to put this altogether. Hopefully people were listening to this have already listened to the series. I think if you haven't you should stop go back actually listened to the series and then come back to this bonus this episode whether this is our chance to talk a little bit about the behind the scenes how came together we've been getting a lot of questions since it came out shouts all the people who need it in the first twenty four hours hours goldstar to you but anyway ramona hello and congratulations on this series. Thank you thank you. It's it's interesting people. Keep asking me so. Why did you do this as a podcast right. Why are there only five episodes. We want more and it's interesting because i feel like this is sort of take this endless story where you have these favorite characters that you could do a whole podcast on just themselves right like there's so many there's so many i i do a whole podcast on v._c._r. No i could do a whole podcast on shelly or on donald sterling or on doc rivers right steve mom really there's there's so many fascinating characters in this story that i know having been behind the curtain now on the creative process with thirty for thirty how much <hes> <hes> goes into writing this scripting this editing this mixing in all of it and like i mean there are more interviews that get left on the cutting room floor that never see the light of day that then interviews that actually make the podcast it's amazing and this is our chance to talk a little bit about that but you know on this notion of what's in the story. What's not you know you could be doing. There's all sorts of rabbit holes and be part of this process. This is the second time we've done this sort of big series like this. We knew from the beginning. This was a story that merited five episodes a multi part approach but you know a big part of the is figuring out what's in what's out we were lucky enough to have julia lowry henderson who worked on this bickham series that we did and reported that out she was a huge part of this as well and so we're starting to get our sea legs a little bit in terms of understanding thing what a five part series is what an arc is over the course of those five parts what those rabbit holes are so. It's just been fun to kind of think through this stuff. When you have a story that's is this deep so to that end. We do these bonus episodes and the first question we always ask is what is a piece of tape that you love that got left on the cutting room floor because inevitably you have to kill your darlings as they say some great tape has to not make in so anything you want to shout out. I shout like five things <hes>. There's a few there's a few interviews that we did. I personally i've been advocating for ralph lawler to be like his own little ten minute bonus clippers the personnel former announcer ralph lawler he had so many amazing stories of just the rise and fall of donald sterling because he was with him in san diego when he bought the team and i remember ralph talking about this and it just made me wanna know so much more but when he when he was talking about donald like in san diego go he said he was they were just donald and shelly they were like a nice couple that they knew and as they started to move to los angeles it became mister sterling and mrs stirling right and shell and it was his his talk about the transformation of donald just as a person. He has this amazing story of how he would. He flexed telling everyone how ritchie was we're. We're sitting in a bar major goolsbee across the old arena and milwaukee. Don casey was our head coach. This is late eighties and he turned to casey hardly knew though he was the head coach he said. Do you know on the richest person you've ever met and we all just kind oh sat there. Were like what what's got to do with anything that was like a calling card of his the story is at ralph has the the white parties ladies and just but i think what was so compelling about ralph was he was literally the voice of the team whose own personal feelings and voice had been muzzled for all those years because he worked for the team. I wanted more ralph more more ralph okay but the guy ralph was a._l. Porno for listeners listeners he came. We got him fairly late. Lesson in if there's someone who you wanna get still go. He doc came through pretty late and we found a way to work. I think it was worth it. I will say ralph no surprise great talker right but gave one of my favorite pieces of tape just a moment. I really love where he talks about it. After the tapes i came out it being a roller coaster. I may have handled it as poorly as anybody because i'd i'd been around for so long thirty five years in or something on your brother and it just really rocked me. It was an emotional rollercoaster but it was all downhill server thought you're going to get to get back to the topic. Is this this great. Turn of phrase and just helped me sort of really understand to be in that moment but you were about to shout out someone yeah so oh. The other part was there's a character. He is a hell of a character is john rockwell john rockwell and i knew jerry back before he bought the lakers. How would we describe john rockwell. He came to los angeles as a poor kid who just wanted to be an actor and he has this sort of like oh. I just walked onto the movie set and sophy lorenzo. I mean thought i was cool and then all of a sudden and she offered me a part in a movie and then he has this incredibly wild story about saving hugh hefner's life when he was a lifeguard at the beverly hills hotel and he couldn't swim and he ended up going into the deep end naiad jump in after him and they people used to say well. You saved his life. You you saved mine. We became friends and then i lived at the playboy mansion off and on for ten years and this is like height of the seventies the sort of showtime i am seventy to eighty s era john john really sort of encapsulates a lot of that was jerry buss wing man okay <hes> he he seems to have started some of the playboy playboy mansion culture they would have a thousand girls come into test for playmate of the year a lot of girls coming to test and and i used to help path picking the girls that sounds like a rough out. It was one of the easiest job ever you know. It seems like every powerful man in town who wanted to playboy mansion. It was like like john controlled the list. It's like a character from nights. Is that's right alan. You know he seems like the ultimate wing man. What was it like being roundtable. He said john is unbelievable unbelievable. I feel like a kid in the candy store. I say yes <laughter> okay. There is something about this this culture in l. a. especially this playboy mansion and kind of culture <hes> where these rich guys like flaunt it like mike it wasn't hidden. It wasn't a secret if anything it was something to aspire to be like hugh hefner to be like jerry. Buss and remember are a lot of our editorial because i would say like yet. Donald has all these mistresses and he's controlling. He doesn't treat them. Well and i don't like that but jerry buss has a lot of younger women too and i don't want to just excuse that because or or just give him a pass and say that's cool because he treated them nicer or because his team one okay and i like let's examine that culture that womanizing culture and there was something like there was an honesty about how jerry buss us one about his affairs with younger women like he he got a divorce from his wife he didn't it wasn't like hidden. It wasn't something that <hes> he was ashamed of if anything he flaunted did it and that's a huge part of what we explore here as you know kind of the jerry buss versus donald sterling dynamic and the fact that people wanted to be around jerry and donald noticed that i and cou- you know in many ways could never understand why people didn't want to be around him physically decided that he was going to in some way by respect and that that of course always backfires because it makes you look more desperate and awful in addition to all the awful things that we learned about donald sterling. I wanna go through a few of the things that we learned in this a story and also maybe just since it's been a little over weeks came out like what are you noticing from people in terms of tidbits that they are learning because i think there's there's even like hardcore l. a. basketball fans who are learning a few things and saying well. I didn't know that and i have my hitlist that i learned. We were making this <hes> but i'm curious to see what people full. I definitely don't think people knew <hes> the whole story of how donald help jerry lakers out. That's a revelatory piece of tape <hes> and i definitely we think that people are shocked and appalled by the locker room stuff yeah by the uncomfortable donald sterling locker room stuff where he's basically you know ogling his players and bringing in his friends into the locker room saying ooh look at their muscles. That tape from old and paul is which is is just jaw dropping. Yeah stops you and your track. Put my hand shake his hand. His friends shake they're doing. He goes wow out. These muscles are like what the fuck is going on here so i'm sitting there. I'm starting to sweat a little bit because i'm like nobody's in here. There's a reason why they left and it's like. He just kept buck now when he said that off aw shit. I'm like bach. Fuck black slave on training block doc yes. I'm telling you when i was i holy shit the fuck me up and i think there is shelly is is a really complicated character and there are people who will listen to the podcast and come away feeling like damn grow you know shelly sterling man she was. She might have been more ruthless than her husband. Right and there are people who will listen to the podcast and say <hes> you're too soft on shelly that you should have put her feet to the fire erector over the coals to she's just as bad as donald and i get all of that and something we debated a lot like in you know we would talk about her and it's it's like one of those things where she such a fascinating character that my only way of presenting her was is you put it all out there and let the audience decide and i you know we. We bring up her role in her complicity. Your absolute complicity in in the rise of donald and the business practices that they employed with their real estate company for all those years we bring that up we play the tape of her posing the health inspector michelle from the health department. We allow her to answer for herself. She gives an explanation for it. In a way that i will say <music> at least to make comes off as really bad and sort of incriminating window in her sort of you know defensive that moment. I was so scared of this man so oh. I didn't even hear pretty much what he said because he had a big huge dog and he he opened his door and i was scared but i said yes yes. Whatever any was a hoarder order. I mean it was bad and we had to get rid of them because the inspector had gone in and he put a jacuzzi there and it was illegal delete wired so i had side him and <hes> so that's why he was really upset with me now. When it came mm out later it made that story didn't make you look good right. None of them did to echo at you. Were saying our philosophy. Was we have this person in front of us. She's complex. We're gonna i try and present her and let people yeah kind of come to understand her. Complicity and all these things were discussing complicit and this is always how i saw her. She was knowingly complicit. If anything she may have been behind quite a bit more of some of the boots on the ground part of this discrimination because she's the one who services the apartment building she's goes to all the different tenants and she has files in the back of her car. I mean everybody would always describe her as like she has all the files in the back of a car used in lawsuits right pointed down as yeah yeah and so a lot of these lessons are complicated because they don't <hes> they settled the lawsuit so there's not and there was part of the settlement is there's not an admission of guilt and <hes> and so the only thing i feel like you can do is just like say. This is what's alleged and this is what she says about it but i do think you know with audio <hes> so so much of what i feel like i learn about shelley and so much of her complexity but also her complicity is in the actual quality of the tape and they perfect shelly is one of those characters who i feel like. I learn more about her. In the way she pauses between citizens is the tone of voice the way the way that she corrects you do about it being two billion dollars dollars. Yeah i had originally told my attorney what i wanted. One point six to two point joe yeah billion dollars to me. You know that comes off as like kind of icky right but to other people it's charming or whatever but that's the beauty of audio and having someone living with someone over five episodes. Those pauses are huge. I mean she even echoes. Donald's phrase and says i'm not a racist i i felt that i'm not a racist and we never were racist and i wanted to show the people i'm not afraid of anybody and i have nothing to fear and to me just hearing her say that trusting the people are going to hear that echoed donald know how false it is coming out of donald's mouth before i to think about it in reckon with shelley. You know that's a big part of our goal. Here is to try and flesh the characters and the fact of the matter is that you know we like characters who are complicated and we like giving them time. Donald in many ways is not an it's a it was an interesting editorial challenge for us when you have donald sterling who's in a sense the central character and he's kind of like doesn't change over the course of time that much he's like bad person and then he's ends it bad person whereas shelly goes through a journey ernie. We have her tape. We hear her. We hear that complexity so you know we made an effort to really flesh her out so that when you get to episode five and you hear all the things says she does. It makes you feel lots of different conflicting feelings about her. That's right. It's like she. You keep rationalizing with there like shelly why you had. This perfectly scripted ending like you broke with your husband. You kicked him out. You sold the team out from under him. You decried his racism. You said it was awful and horrible if she just ends right there. It's a nice clean story except that she doesn't and everybody who knows the sterling says who really really knows the sterling's says they actually have gone through breakup and like this several times over the years that pattern and these knock down drag out things where like like you know for a while there together for a while separate and they get back together. You know it's like this is way more of a pattern for them over the course of their lives than any of us realize our we can't really wanna think too deeply about and i think <hes> was shelley. It's you just have to present all the way she contradicts yourselves all the way. She's frustrating all the ways. You're like dude. Just just say i should be mad at donald. He's the one having these affairs. He's the one who keeps doing it but instead. She continues to make excuses for him to go after the mistress i mean that's one of the more fascinating things to me is talking about patterns with her that you know frankly i think are sort of an indictment is at the time and time again she looks at her husband and a mistress and says <hes> which one am i going to take legal action against the mistress you know and then we see that pattern with castro we see that pattern yano and i think it says a lot about the moral i'll put it bluntly the moral calculus that shelly makes along the way so this is. That's how i have learned to think about her. <hes> i think when you make compromises in your life or in your marriage the first time you do it. It's it's really hard. The first time you get over something that you know is wrong. It's like it really hurts and the second time you get over that same thing it hurts less and the third and the fourth and the fifth time it's like it just gets you get a little numb to it and she has this answer when we're talking to her about. I'm pretty pretty good at knowing how to make myself. Happy britta good at being happy and i think what she's saying. They're in her very shelly kind of way is. I've just learned how to live with this. I've just learned how i've made this choice. This compromise about my marriage of this is what it is. This is who he is do. I <music> don't want to continue to live in this marriage with this person as a financial element to though as yes but i think it's more than that i think it's like she they could get divorced. She was sylvie fabulously wealthy. I think there's something about being mrs sterling. I think there's something about the role and it's not just like they got divorced. I mean she controls the family trust. Now i mean she has all the power. This is her business now but even over the years. I feel oh like she had to choose. Do i want to be one of those divorce. Ladies you know after my husband had something like this or do. I want to just live in this marriage and continued needed to deal with the key. Can i continue to deal with it. Do you wanna be that wife. Who stands by and you know you you kind of sit there and take it or do you want to get divorced and and then what happens to your life after that the social status of that and there's some of the divorce women their carry on as if nothing happened if anything they they embrace being the divorce say the avenging angel and others <hes> fade out of the spotlight and and i don't think shelly wants that okay so we're gonna take a quick break and then we're gonna come back and talk a little bit more about what people were reacting to some of the interviews that you didn't get and we've gotten a few questions as well from folks so we'll try and ripped those but will be back in a second. The thirty for thirty podcasts are brought to you. You buy onstar if you're ever in a crash and you're an onstar equipped vehicle. You have specially trained advisers ready to help. Onstar advisers can connect to your vehicle and get the help. 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Uh all right we're back and <hes> let's move on a little bit from shelley and get back to some of the tape that i think surprised people <hes> the most store that people are reacting to and actually actually i'm going to throw out one. That is about shelley because i'm comprised that people are not reacting to this 'cause to me. It's it's on my top list going but it's the fact that shelly still listened to those tapes and i will confess editorial role in this. I was really pushing like this is a moment. We have to build to build. It's a holy holy shit moment. People are noticing it but it's not on the top buzzy things that i feel like people reacting to to me that is mind blowing that shelly sterling erling gets in her car to this day puts on the tapes of her of her husband and visa viana talking and listen to them on repeat. I mean talk about a sort of psychological circle land mine gold mine. Whatever you wanna call it totally. When did you learn that in briefly. What was your reaction to that. I actually knew that going into into the interview because one of the things that shelly is really proud of is that she is the one who found the part of the tapes that prove east of yano and donald sterling. We're conspiring to hide some of the gifts from her. We should've put it under lucy's name. He doesn't owe anyone anything. No one knows who lose the years but it's okay we can call yes. It's very recorded. <hes> <hes> i can always change the title i so now. He's changed title whenever and that was really key to the lawsuit. She has against vis-a-vis r._e._o. Where she's trying to recover the gifts donald had given her as community thirty property but shelly sterling is the one who spent hours and hours and hours hundreds of hours listening to those tapes that she drove in the car to find evidence to find the smoking gun on in that trial trial and the fact that she still listens to them is like it was staggering to me when i heard it. She admitted it to me <hes> <hes> a few times just like an author conversation. We were having just like when you're setting things up like this but i i just needed to get her to explain it because sometimes you even know something going into an interview <hes> and you have to get them to say at themselves and then you have to get them to explain it i think i pushed her on this and delved into this like many many times because it's like as you say a psychological landmine so you don't just ask them once you have to keep probing and probing and probing robing and so like but you're on dangerous ground right because every time you go in there like you could go so far that they get up and walk out of the interview. Let me rattle off a a few other kinda tidbits. Yeah both caught my eye but i'm also noticing are catching people's eyes and then you can bid on any of them. You wanna fleischer. Here's here's my hitlist. People are noticing the moment where donald sterling tells steve bomber that he doesn't know how to be a wealthy person which is able sterling starts laughing and he looks at me goes s the stupidest thing i've ever heard in my life life and bomber looks from because what do you mean he goes. Why would anybody have two billion in cash like you should invest the money or pay off your debt right but you'd be stupid to have that kind of cash people. Are i think are surprise. I certainly was at the extent of donald sterling's properties basically if you lived on the west side of l._a. In the eighties nineties you good chance you lived in a sterling building one of my favorite tidbits that t._m._z. pretty journalistically responsible they get those tapes they call the league they call the you know they go through their due diligence that was surprising to me to learn from t._m._z. that they are kind of like responsible journalistic organizations at least when they have something this explosive on their hands <hes> certainly the magic stuff the like magic as donald's rosebud is pretty amazing and then the one i will point out and say that you know we reached the moment where we knew like oh that has to be in this because it's just one of those moments from this saga. The has to be in there is is this your handwriting so the you know this moment that doesn't exist audio but is this exchange between donald and his lawyer and i don't know if you you wanna go there but people are reacting to your reading of that moment. Donald's deposition was truly grotesque full around sometimes i do. He admitted when a girl seduces me and tells me all of these hot stories dirty things and tells me how much she wants to suck on me and take take my shoes off and licks my feet and touches me when i'm in a limousine. She takes off all her clothes. The limo driver says what's going on doc. She started sucking on the way to mr koons house thinker. I thank her for making you feel so good castro's attorney. Hey doug bag. He had to interrupt sir. The question was is this your handwriting. How did you go about doing a dramatic reading well. I think i did it good. I don't know that well won't can. I confess that there were a number of versions of that number of reads of that just one right so so you know we really silly. We tried the super serious. I think we've found the right right n._b._c. You told me okay so the way tracking goes when you do a pie. I catholic like many many tracking days. It was like marathon tracking days of and raina kelley who is like my like one of my all time favorite editors some people and creative people to work with the undefeated part of this as well <hes> she would fly out from bristol and like sit with me in a booth at the s._p._n. L._a. radio and we were there for like six or seven hours and then one of my buddies at e._s._p._n. L._a. radio adam bronze scene was engineering so it was just like us three we were are there like on the weekends for like you know hours and hours just tracking and i remember like you know you read the stuff and it's i mean it's like i'm talking about. I'm using the word suck and i'm very uncomfortable way. I'm talking about her mistress giving him a blow job. That's like very uncomfortable well for me to have to do but i think like you know i'm looking at raina and i'm looking at adam as we're doing it and it's hard not to snicker as you read and so you have to just kinda alike disassociate like you have to almost be like a method actor like i'm not trying to be like donald sterling but one when <hes> jillian i we're going through the research on this one of the things that struck me about it is that donald said all this stuff and it's lewd and nasty and <hes> uncomfortable volt even read but he said this in front of castro right. This is his deposition while she's in the room and it's not just him saying it to show off and gloat. It's him saying it to humiliate her and i had to keep that in my head as i was reading this because that's so important to that piece audio like it's it's that it's not it. It's about him humiliating her him controlling her him pushing catholic just imagine her sitting in the room. Let's talk like that about her. In front of other people then and then of course you get the lawyers perfect retort sir the question was is this your handwriting which i think i i will say it's the first time sort of this is occurring to me that we do have a number of moments in here where we have lawyers doing what you think. Lawyers are really good at in court which is just just letting people hang themselves by their own rope and hap donald walks into a courtroom with plenty of rope lawyers do that number of people pointed out that service is your handwriting is is the original services a wendy's meme which is nice but you know that's a moment. We knew we had to get in there. <hes> let me we're going to get to some listener questions that have come in it but i want to quickly run through a few names that are not in this and see if you have anything to say about because we reached out to a bunch of folks so donald the elgin baylor. There's a number of people who are excited story david stern number people who are essentially this story who are not don't have have and we don't have the interviews from anything say about efforts and why they're not in there <hes> i try really hard on all of those <hes> the severiano we've read. You know we whoa i think i asked her lawyer. Mcnamara like five times. I went multiple multiple times and he every time. He said he would reach out to her and you know nothing. Whatever ever come of it and then i went and found two or three or four friends and we would <hes> asked them. They said oh we'll ask her. We'll ask her and <hes> there was never a good response. I would direct message with her on instagram sometimes and like she didn't ever respond. I know that she saw it though because she would respond sometimes you just say hi i or something silly. We went to like you know at least three last known addresses of hers and beverly hills. I would ask paparazzi around town if they had seen her new where where she was living. The best friend of hers told me that she may have moved back to texas like but then there's instagram live videos of her just driving around los angeles us sometimes she she she definitely knew about this. We never got like an official denial but like i asked people who were in touch with her many times and i was in touch with her myself and like i think that the story i've heard is that she had adopted from her lawyers that she had adopted two kids and she just doesn't want them to be subject into any <hes> celebrity or personal pressure or anything like that and i think that's a big a big part of this i think she she she got her fifteen minutes of and there was a cost for it and she doesn't want to continue paying that donald donald we tried through his lawyers. The two of us lawyers anthr- shelly obviously really <hes> and there was a calculus like i you know i thought about trying to doorstep him like just knock on the door of their house and beverly hills. I drove by several times thinking like should i go up there. <hes> and shelly was really clear and you know if i would have done that. I felt like she would have gotten angry in the sense that she does control things she's like. He's not well like he's. He's got a mental you know obviously he was declared mentally capacity as alzheimer's or early onset. It's had alzheimer's and <hes> she didn't want him to be in any kind of condition so i tried through multiple <hes> lawyers known associates and then especially especially shelley to get donald to do this. We we certainly tried many times over and i think the pitch was pretty simple like this is a story about you and your legacy and if you want to have any saying it now's the time amac classic. This is coming out whether he participated. Do you want to participate. You know i will use sort of hinted at it. Say we know that donald is in deteriorating rated mental state. I don't know what tape from donald would have sounded like what answers he would have given yeah but what question what one question do you want to ask donald <hes> assuming you will get a good answer or real answer however you wanted to find out what is the question you would wanna ask donald sterling. Why are you so ashamed of your past like i i that was the central thing for me of like there's a deep shame about where he came from about his upbringing in east l._a. And identity as donal toko it's because i know that there was a nasty divorce between his his his parents that seemed to split the family and seem to change things pretty fundamentally but i don't understand why he was ashamed of his past and then really spent the rest of his life trying to reinvent himself and i think the way he reinvents himself is like trying to force respect upon upon people trying to force power his power upon people and usually the most the most the biggest megalomaniacs or whatever you wanna call him <hes> the people who do that are actually the most insecure there's some kind of deep shame from his childhood and that's what i want to get to the bottom of <hes> we did get a question a the question about elgin baylor both did we try and reach out there but then also kind of like how you i think the question was how big of a moment was that in this story this break with elgin in baylor and and kind of should we have seen everything in that and why wasn't there action around that so <hes> we tried with elgin many times and he declined through think his wife and we went back like anybody who declined we would go back to show like it was like you know you you gotta know or and then you ask and through a few months later and they declined. I don't know if he's in the if he's in the right place in his own life even health and <hes> to to do interviews like this. I know that he certainly had many chances over the years to do a lot of interviews about this and he didn't so it's not just us that he's declined on hasn't done a lot of interviews ever since the he lost the court case and it's frustrating because to me it's like the one person who could probably probably expose the worst of the worst when it comes to donald sterling elgin baylor and you're like come on man like say it. You know expose expose it. You probably know where all the all the icky stuff is. <hes> and all the worst of it that we probably none of us have have an understanding of the depths of it <hes> he is an important character in the history of the clippers yes because he was the longtime general manager of the clippers and you know donald and shelly kinda take shots at him. Mm sometimes like shelly i think he took a shot at him in the interview where she's like you know. He wasn't very good at his job like the you know they say like as if it's his fault that donald was so cheap or wasn't managed well. I mean they do tend to get better after he's not the general manager anymore. I don't want to say that means that he you know he wasn't good. I don't think donald gave much opportunity to succeed <hes> and so yeah. He's a. He's a frustrating <hes> person that we didn't get but i don't. I don't even know if if it's just us because it certainly he hasn't done all that many interviews about it ever since <hes> one other listener question was about owners so we do have <unk> a moment. We explore a lot about how you know. The power dynamics are in the league are that the owners are small group of very wealthy powerful men. The league basically works for the owners. That's the the central dynamic in many ways to the heart of the question is at the center of this whole thing which is why did it take so long but you know we got a question from leah <hes> about other owners if they know about donald sterling's behavior. How much did they really care so i've talked to other owners about it and they all kind of describe him as like this goofy old weird uncle you know who didn't go to that many owners meetings towards the end of his career. He would send andy andy rosa instead and i think that they're complicit in you know how he's able to exist for so long as well because this is my suspicion. They didn't mind having a bad team in los angeles. Clippers were sleeping giant and they're good now bomber. They're good and i think like the clippers. Were like too easy wins when you go through l._a. Like play the lakers and that's going to be tough games but you get the clippers. Get a couple of wins but even if you think of them as cynical calculating having such bad apple as one of thirty two that doesn't say like oh this might hurt my put morality off to the side like this. This might hurt my bottom line or something that they just i. They weren't a threat and i also think that <hes> there was real concern about the slippery slope even the anderson cooper interview is the final nail in the coffin for donald right like there's no coming back from that one but <hes> i also think there was like a lot of owners who realize that they don't live in glass houses right. I mean they yeah they do live in houses <hes> so i think there's a lot of owners that were worried about the precedent and the slippery slope of of this altogether like yeah he's he might have done worse things than and they did but even like they're worse thing would not compare to his worst thing but like their worst thing is not something they'd want anyone to know sure and of course the one owner we do hear about articulating that that is mark cuban who has had a glass house situation of his own in his organization and so i think you can sort of infer what you will there about mark cuban being wary of this slippery slope as as you put it <hes> okay. We're going to start to wrap up here. I will say that we're going to do another bonus episode. Which we're gonna talk about a bunch of other things as well. We'll get to <hes> the other donald that a lot of people are thinking about as they listen to. This story about one donald on the west coast are certainly a lot of people are listed in with an ear towards another donald on the east coast. We'll talk talk about some more tape that came into a and we will have a chance to answer some of your question so if you have more questions as this goes <hes> you can email us thirty for thirty podcasts at e._s._p._n. Dot com you can also so tweeted us and we may do like a._m._a.'s or some so we're going to keep the conversation going because as you illustrate so so well like this is a story about the league right now i want about a lot of big issues that we're dealing with right now. <hes> one thing i'll say it now let you have the final word. Is that <hes> i think we have the longest credits in podcasting the casting but that's for a reason we've shouted out a number of the people who went into making this here again. Undefeated had huge part in this as it our production partners at western western sound in particular benadryl and steven hoffman but what i won't courage you to do is really go listen to the credits of the final episode. I know a lot of people drop off right when you hit the credit but listen to those names understand what it takes and moreover stick around because there is a great little piece of tape athletes like a marvel comics okay. What are you staring at the end. Yeah we put a little easter to get you to listen to the credit but mostly because we want to shout out all the amazing people who helped make this happen <hes> but ramona any final words before we say goodbye to the bonus episode number one <hes> yeah i guess some final words the it's such a big messy story <hes> but i really feel like every time i do an interview. I'd tell a different part of it and that's what. I love about this <hes> some days. I'm so focused on like what i've learned about. Los angeles just the city. I grew up in the city. I live in <hes> and how power works in l. A. like there's these there's so many people in this story in and around this world who there are fundamental choice question that they have in their lives and how they live them is what what are you willing to do in order to be famous. What are you willing. It's a trade what are you. How far are you willing to go in order to be a celebrity to feel that validation and in some ways as these divvy. I know ask yourself that question. How far am i willing to go donald sterling s himself that question shelly sterling himself as herself that question the john rockwell's aqua who gets to be the wing man they get to like probably not sleep with the hottest girl because that gets the rich guy gets the hottest girl right but he gets you know the second hottest girl and it's seen as cool when guys like john rockwell or jerry buss <hes> get that kind of treatment. You know get that all ears. You're such a stud right and the mistress in that equation. The beast of the world are seen as the gold digger seen as the mistress are seeing and it's you know it it it always bothered me because i'm somebody who watch anna karenina and had a real visceral reaction of like. Why does anna karenina pay the price but the guy she has the affair with at the you know gets to keep living his life <hes> when really everyone is just asking themselves the same question. How are you willing to go to get that fame and fortune and as a woman it always that that that really stuck with me and i think that's whole series in ottawa as as a meditation on that all right ramona shelburne congratulations relations gannon. Thank you very much for doing this. My name is jody avirgan. Thanks to you for listening will be back soon with more thirty thirty <music>.

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March Madness: Donald Sterling

Sports Criminals

05:18 min | 7 months ago

March Madness: Donald Sterling

"Welcome to the sports. Criminals March madness special every day. Tomorrow we're counting down the top thirty one sports scandals of the past thirty one years today. We head back to two thousand fourteen. When racist comments by Donald Sterling then owner of the Los Angeles Clippers were made public by his mistress the ensuing consequences for sterling were severe and had lasting implications on both the clippers franchise and the entire NBA for more shocking sports events from history. Come back tomorrow for more of our March madness special. Listen free on spotify or wherever you get your podcast warning. This episode includes sensitive descriptions of racism listener discretion is advised especially for listeners under thirteen in April. Two Thousand Fourteen seventy year old Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling called his mistress. The Steve Yano. He had seen something on instagram. That made his blood boil a picture of her and L. A. Lakers legend Magic Johnson but sterling wasn't mad at Steve Yano had posed with one of his crosstown rivals iconic players. The problem was the Johnson was Black Sterling. Chewed out still beyond for almost ten minutes. He had no idea. Those ten minutes would change his life forever. Welcome to sports. Criminals are cast original. This is the twenty fifth episode in our March Madness. Special this month were counting down the top thirty one sports scandals from Nineteen Ninety to two thousand twenty on Carter Roy. And I'm Tim Johnson in today's episode. We're going back to two thousand fourteen and the downfall of the La Clippers racist owner Donald Sterling. Although he made a lot of money from owning the clippers. Donald Sterling made the bulk of his fortune in real estate as a landlord. He was the subject of numerous lawsuits accusing him of housing discrimination against minorities during these proceedings. Sterling's racist nature was laid bare. He told employees that black tenants smell. And Attract Vermin Hispanics. Just smoke drink and hang around the building in Koreans will pay the rent and live in whatever conditions I give them. The married father of three was also sued on multiple occasions for sexual harassment. But with the help of a high priced and highly effective legal team. He managed to emerge relatively unscathed however after not. Enzi released the recording his phone. Call with these veon. On April twenty fifth two thousand fourteen. No lawyer on earth COULD HELP HIM UPSET THAT STEVE. Yano had posted an instagram photo of her and Magic Johnson. Sterling told her. It bothers me a lot that you want to broadcast that you're associating with black people. Don't put him on instagram. And don't bring him to my games. Unbeknownst TO HIM STILL. Yano had recorded the entire conversation. The recording confirmed what most people around the League already knew. Donald Sterling was racist scumbag however he had never faced disciplined from the NBA before. But now that is true. Nature was caught on tape that was about to change with NBA players contemplating boycotting playoff games to protest. Sterling's ownership commissioner. Adam silver had to act on April twenty ninth. He Finds Sterling two point five million dollars the maximum amount allowed silver also banned him from the NBA for life and a few weeks later. More than three quarters of NBA team owners voted to force sterling to sell his franchise. The decision was a long time coming. From man who heckled his own players was named the worst owner in sports by the New York Times and Forbes magazine and whose team had amassed the lowest winning percentage in all four major American Sports Leagues Between Nineteen Eighty one in two thousand fourteen sterling. His lawyers tried to fight both decisions in court but they were rebuffed at every turn. Despite numerous countersuits and objections sterling was forced to sell the team to Microsoft. Co-founder Steve Balmer. Since Sterling's departure the basketball world has done. Its best to erase his racist legacy under bombers leadership. The clippers have gone on to become one of the best run franchises in the NBA. Ahead of the twenty twenty season. They were one of the favorites to win the championship. As the saying goes living well the best revenge. Thanks for listening to sports criminals March madness. We'll be back tomorrow with next year scandal. You can catch our other episodes of sports criminals for free on or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Spiritualgasm w/ Sterling Jones and Arielle Kebbel

WHOREible Decisions

05:20 min | 1 year ago

Spiritualgasm w/ Sterling Jones and Arielle Kebbel

"Hayward Hive if you are looking for a new podcast and also another safe place to explore your spirituality and sexuality we have a new podcast cast for you guys to tune into it is called spiritual gasm is a new podcast from BFF's Arielle Kabul and Sterling Jones where they dive deep into the mini Rome's of spirituality and the infinite levels of human sexuality now Yano meal wheezy beyond here talking about our hosts shit but now you guys can listen and to cable and sterling talk through their personal stories conversations with experts and also the occasional celebrity guests where they take a multifaceted faceted approach to exploring everything that listeners are curious to know more about but are too scared to ask offering the perfect balance of believer and skeptic Kevin Alan Jones will open up your mind tease your senses tickle your funny bone and help you reach a new highly satisfying kind of climax. This clip your about to listen to him is is laughing. These mother fuckers talk about different sounding moans and then getting to the spit talk now. We've talked a lot about spit during sex so I'm about to leave you with a clip from the very new podcast spiritual gasm featuring Kevin Jones and be sure to go ahead and subscribe everywhere where you listen to your favorite podcast when things are feeling good. I just let them known a sentence in my normal voice. I'll be qualified because really good. That's how I talk. Are we in school. I'll be like and then I'll tell really good really good right there and that's it. I'm not I don't. I never liked though okay yeah. That's vocal. Were you thinking of screaming or something. There's I've hooked up with a guy before and he was is like I was like. There's the door which is terrible. That was so mean a me park. I didn't actually say there's the door but I did your added. My Dick was said there's the door and I was like dig. Don't be a Dick he's like I can't help a man on the Dick. It's like we'll tell him to stop doing that. Noise first off. It's weird secondly neighbors third. Do I know my Dick. It's a Dick. Do you think that's because you weren't actually attracted to him like if you were attracted. Would it have mattered thing. That is a really good question because I don't know because you're saying like dream guy and he's like what I be okay with it. No all out ever hang on a second. I feel like you're not being fair because you just went what if he was like. Oh the issue is considered raise fact podcast. We need cameras in here because you just like automatically went high and that's not fair not not let me hear it again and without seeing let me look away the noise again. Let me see if I would be turned off. Okay hang on. Oh Ho Sterling feel so good. Oh now it's like the dynamite hey guys. I got to get somewhere. Get some okay here. We go to Korea. Take Me Oh yeah oh right there. He's out. Take take your he left. He's got maybe comes from like my conservative upbringing. Many I don't know now my parents were very like. Are you conservative meaning like my parents so I don't mean politically I mean. Do you consider yourself conservative socially conservative yes I am. I know I knew it for to be a fact and I'm not proud of that. Proud of conservative sexually conservative choice you you can tainted it and he does not freaky freaky. EST thing I've ever done to someone I spitting a guys mouth once he asked me to spend his mouth mouth and I was like really and he was like well. We're making out like I was like all right and so I had like find spit and it wasn't turned. It didn't turn me on but he turned him on. That's interesting because if you're kissing you are technically swapping saliva and yet. There's something about swinging. Someone's mouth mouth. That thought just out. There's GonNa be spitting on someone period. I guess yeah disrespectful. That's what it is. It's like I can't even even fathom that. He wanted his mouth and again. I'm not judging Sandra. That's the easiest thing I've ever thought to be honest. I think that's I think that's freaky. Okay so there you go and I it wasn't for me so yeah. I'm pretty vanilla and I don't like that part about me. I wish I was into like some shit because I think it would expand my brain.

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THE STERLING AFFAIRS Part 3: Property

30 For 30 Podcasts

51:34 min | 1 year ago

THE STERLING AFFAIRS Part 3: Property

"Thirty for thirty podcasts is brought to you by our friends at state farm. State farm has over nineteen thousand agents across the country nineteen. Thousand is a huge number but it's not the number that's impressive. It's the personal service and attention to detail. You can only get from your local state farm agent talk to a state farm agent today about combining being the purchase of your home and auto insurance state farm here to help life go right and and donald's father died we go to the funeral. We're going in. I i ask where's the talk which funeral on giorgio my wife so no no sterling honey. No it's taco. It's just what are you talking about. I said the tea in donald t sgt early his name had been taco. It's and he changed it to sterling. This says episode three property in the year. It was nineteen sixty donald and shelly toko. It's had been married for four years. Donald had finished law school and they were moving their way up through better and better neighborhoods neighborhoods inching closer to that beverly hills zip code that would mean they'd really made it but that last name to- quits it was a problem for them. People thought you know what kind of name is that who you marry to you know what kind of person with that name and it just was very hard to essay and pronounced and to write and he felt now that he's an attorney he wants to have an easy where people will recognize the name and know the name donald needed to present to the world a name that would be worthy of the heights he intended to climb sterling we went through tons of names and that was one of the the name that stuck sterling was more than just a new last name. There was an invention a new identity created by a young couple in pursuit of big things and why not this was l. a. After all city full of dreamers trying to trade the ordinary life or something a little more fabulous donald sterling was born during the great depression into a poor family. He grew up in one of los angeles's poorest neighborhoods boyle heights. It was the son of jewish immigrants. His father mickey pedaled junk and produce as a young man. Donald we get up in the wee hours of the morning to go onto the market and help his father stock boxes donald shelly in their senior year of high school. He was donald toko. It's and she was shelly stein. He was very nice and very cute and we were like a great couple in school and you know he was a gymnast when i was a cheerleader eater and so we got along very good shelly donald where students at roosevelt high roosevelt high school had this kind of historic significance murugan says being a melting pot high school and this was an era of segregation legal segregation in america. First philips is a professor of sociology jewish communal final studies. His family is from boyle heights. Here was a high school that brought together all these different kinds of kids. Dave gal fund also grew up in boyle heights and went to school with donald sterling as time went on it became more and more mixed by the time i got into high school was jewish jewish. People black people italian people asian people brush and people are real united nations growing up in in boyle heights. Kid like donald would come to understand just how important location was on the trajectory of a person's life in l._a. At that time the city was is largely divided by the los angeles river east side mixed in poor <music> west side white wealthy we would go out to the west side for dances and whatnot we got older and saw how those folks dress in the cars. They drove so we were aware that we were on a different society level. The houses were bigger nicer. Cleaner streets of trees all that much nicer than boyle heights donald knuth that there was more out there more than getting up in the middle of the night pedal fruit and hardly make enough money to scrape by he'd seen it. He just had to get out out of boyle heights. That was easier said than done especially during a time when housing discrimination was a policy of the federal government and in the eyes of many including housing laws choose weren't seen as white but jews could pass for white especially if they drop the dead giveaway of the burgh or the steiner the wits from their last names juice could get around some of the housing covenants just by changing their names and they could pass and buy are your house and that's what donald and shelly took with dead after they graduated from roosevelt high in one thousand nine fifty two shelley went to work to help put donald through college they married and he became a lawyer and they ditch that obviously jewish name and became the sterling's. It sounds sounds like the beginning of a classic american rags to riches story which is a story sterling could have and probably should have been proud of instead. All donald i wanted to do was buried. Don never talked about his upbringing because he does not want to be seen as ever having been poor. Michael salesman has younger sister. Marlene got to know the sterling's in a way few others would they met in the early early sixties when donald and shelly moved into their first beverley hills apartment downstairs neighbors teenage marlene salesman and her mother rosie we we were neighbors and he was a workaholic and he would work at the office till two o'clock in the morning and shelly was home alone board heard so my mother who is like mother earth took her in. She ate dinner house every night. The salesman's became like family to the sterling's. We would like the good bores people would say oh your sisters yeah and we'd have to explain that. We weren't just as we look to like. We talked like we thought alike we act but we're not physically basically related living in such close quarters in an apartment building. Carleen salesman sometimes learn more about her neighbors than she wanted to especially really when the lawyer would come home late from work smelling of some other women's perfume and pick a fight every single word which i really didn't want to us. I was trying to concentrate on my homework and he said look. It's my way or the highway. This is who i am. That's who you married. The life donald and shelly were building together wasn't perfect but they were committed to it. There was a certain type of power and privilege that donald you're in for the kind that comes with money real money sure being lawyer was a good way to make a buck but you're still working for somebody else. The money comes from owning things so donald used the money from his law business to start buying properties in beverly hills and then together he he and shelley built an empire the concrete canyons along wilshire corridor in beverly hills would not look the same without the presence of numerous high rise apartment buildings owned owned by billionaire donald sterling donald and shelly came to own so much of wilshire boulevard people started calling it the sterling corridor. It was a trash heap guy roy firestone. He was a guy who could find something from nothing and make money out of it. That was his calling card. You know i'm gonna use is the term slum lord he was impossible to miss his name was on half of beverly hills sterling like putting his name on everything nothing preferably embiid gold letters sterling plaza sterling ambassador tower sterling international towers when you look at donald sterling you have a tendency to want to compare him to donald trump west sterling love that comparison in fact he invited he wanted everyone to think of him is rich powerful and dashing so in one thousand nine hundred nine. He hired his longtime friend michael salesman to help him spread that message. I got him on the cover of california magazine. As the man who would be trump on the west coast there it is california magazine july nineteen gene eighty nine the man who would be trump in big white letters next to a picture of donald in a white field jump suit unzipped down to his belly button and one arm race to the sky the other holding plastic clippers mug. It was a mix of triumphant and tacky much like buildings <music>. You can spot a sterling building pretty easily. They're the big boxing no personality apartment buildings in the nicer neighborhoods of l._a. Sometimes a stucco facade always painted a shade of pale yellow or pale beige with white trim he always bought buildings in which there were forty forty or more apartments that had a pool and he coined the phrase ultra luxurious <music> gave them names like wilshire. Manhattan towers were santa monica emperor with one hundred and sixty two properties. They've long since run out of variations with the name sterling he would buy a building that women had raised their children and were married lost husbands and he's by the building in triple the rent forcing them out i don how can you do this to these little ladies. If the whole lives in this apartment hartman <unk> now they can't afford these kids pay for let them move to fairfax. I don't care my building now. Would i want. I said i don't understand how you can do that. It just breaks my heart that you would do that. Why do you think there is rent. Control in los angeles because of a sterling is and it's true in nineteen eighty-six. Beverly hills had to pass a rent control ordinance because donald and shelly would buy a building building slap a new coat of paint on it and hike the rent but it didn't stop there or in beverly hills. Donald and shelly is real estate empire kept growing and they found themselves buying property is six miles down the road along what is known as the mid wilshire corridor in a neighborhood known as koreatown lot of developers saw koreatown as investment opportunity that came to be chancellor almond. Sore is the executive director of the housing right-center koreatown. The town was no beverly hills in fact it was pretty much the opposite a neighborhood that had been in decline for decades there was still recovering from the rodney king riots in nineteen nineteen ninety-two and that was populated by a mix of ethnic groups. Mostly latino african american and korean career town was in a great location creation this area. It's very highly desirable. If you're live and work in los angeles this mid wilshire corridor location location location mm-hmm so donald and shelly seized on the opportunity to buy into it cheap and then trying to get the best return on their investment by supporting the korean residents and trying to force everyone else out the kid from boyle heights who grew up seeing the levers of power could do it in abraham. It was now in control of those levers himself. He was reshaping the city in his image. Thirty for thirty podcasts is brought to you by delta airlines. Airlines delta flies three hundred cities around the world. That's three hundred cities where everyone does the same things that's three hundred cities where the people in those three hundred cities think they're the only ones who know about that one place three hundred cities where people miss someone in one of the other two hundred ninety nine cities three hundred in cities where people singing in the car or in the shower or both poorly delta isn't flying to three hundred cities merely. Bring us together but to show us. We're not that far apart apart in the first place delta he climbing. It's clear donald sterling has no trouble having african american basketball players on his clippers team but in his apartments some say he would rather pass. I tried to apply for a place here sure and they denied me. I had the money and everything. Why do you think they wouldn't run to you. Because i'm black at stanford in sterling is now being sued by the housing rights center for discriminating against african americans and hispanics at two of his apartment buildings in korea town. The suit alleges apartment management is ignoring their needs age and treating them unfairly in february two thousand three the housing right center filed a discrimination suit against sterling on behalf of six tenants. The lawsuit claims sterling had said that he only intended to rent a koreans because quote they will take whatever conditions i give them and still pay the rent and that he also told his employees that quote black people smell and attract vermin and quote hispanics just smoke and hang around the building. We're now on the record. This is the videotape deposition of donald sterling volume five. This matters now pending in the superior court state of california. The county of los angeles the central district. You have zero tolerance policy against housing discrimination based upon race ace correct. I would think so. Do you know if you do or will. Did you want me to read read something or as the owner of the company. Do you know beverly hills. Properties has a zero tolerance for housing discrimination based upon race. My lawyers told me we do handbook. Is that what you mean breath. As the sterling snatched up properties in koreatown their first order of business had been getting the old tennis out the black and latino people who had been living i'm here one african american woman who lived in one of the properties said that she had always been welcomed by the front door person who would always open the front door when she walked walk to the front door to open it for her was soon as management change not only do the new door person not opened the door for her. She was asked to show her identification identification upon entering her own residence and we heard that from other by tenants as well that they were basically intimidated and harassed when they tried to enter their own building you do you agree that it would be improper for you to suggest to a property supervisor that they not rent to african americans uh it would not be proper for me to ask anyone to murder anybody to kill anyone or to violate any law whatsoever. Let me ask the question again. Do you believe that it would be improper for you to suggest to a property supervisor that you would prefer that they didn't rent to african americans. Do i think it would be proper improper. If you believe it would be improper proper for you to tell a property supervisor that you would prefer. They didn't rent to african americans. That would be improper. Donald sterling had been a successful real estate baron for three decades. He had a reputation for hard nosed tactics but this was for many the first time they got a glimpse of just how he operated and thought about the people he was renting to the lawsuit also included a video shot by one of the tenants tenets showing shelly sterling entering his apartment building claiming to be from the health department michelle before the health department sir the sterling's in the managers <hes> many of them were were knocking on doors going up and down hallways <hes> allegedly telling tenants that they were just there to do <hes> a little inspection of of their units to find out what the condition of the units were. It's so that if a repair was needed they would know about it. Tenants were suspicious. Is that these supposed- inspections where pretext for something else that the sterling's were looking for evidence to a victim. Shelly sterling's still contends. She did nothing wrong wrong that she was doing what she normally did with the apartments trying to upgrade them and maintain the properties. She still remembers the tenant who filmed her to me. Are you michelle the from the health department. I was so scared of this man so i didn't even hear pretty much what he said because he had a big huge dog and he he opened his door and i was scared but i said yes yes. Whatever any was a hoarder. I mean it was bad and we had to get rid of them because the inspector had gone in and he put a jacuzzi there and it was illegally wired so i had side him and and <hes> so that's why he was really upset with me now. When it came out later it made that story didn't make you look good right. None of them did sterling settled with the housing right center in two thousand and five without admitting any wrongdoing for most of the families i think think they would say it was a favourable settlement agreement but we did agree to a confidentiality clause so i can't disclose with ultimately happened with that lawsuit other than it was dismissed dismissed. The case was settled. The terms of that settlement are confidential but the amount isn't the sterling's paid on was five million dollars in attorney fees on behalf the plaintiffs but it wasn't just housing discrimination that was getting donald sterling in legal trouble back on the record. This is the beginning up disc to perform five and the continuing deposition of donald sterling his behavior toward women was about to catch up with him as well have you you engaged in sexual activity at your office. You'll sterling had been enjoying the company of women who were not his wife for a very long time. That was no secret right. After he bought the clippers he was bold enough to make his ex model girlfriend the assistant general manager but in the nineties and early two thousand some of his wandering eyes and hands and general horrible niche with women started landing him in hot water to separate female implies sued him for sexual harassment be settled with the first and won his case in court against the second and then in two thousand and two donald ended it up in court with one of his mistresses a young woman named alexandra castro he first denied ever even knowing the woman later he testified that he barely early newer later he testified she was a prostitute and he had sex with her in the office sex with her all over europe sex with her one true donald and shelly. I met alexander castro in one thousand nine hundred nine at a birthday party for raiders owner al davis the man who had given sterling the blueprint for moving the clippers to los angeles shortly after that party sterling and castro entered into a relationship. Donald was a sixty five years old castro was twenty-seven girl was providing sex for money. She was exciting. It was exciting. I have to taddeo and it was good the genitals delicious and it was the best of the best and maybe i'd morally did something wrong and did you did it. Doug bag be was castro's attorney attorney. He was trying to embarrass miss castro and make her feel very uncomfortable about being in a lawsuit with with him because she did attend the deposition of mister sterling and she was sitting there and he was making some some highly defamatory derogatory remarks about her during the deposition. Donald's deposition was truly grotesque grotesque full around sometimes i do he admitted when a girl seduces me and tells me all of these hot stories dirty things and tells me how much she wants suck on me and take my shoes off and licks my feet and touches me when i'm in a limousine. She takes off all her clothes does. The limo driver says what's going on and she started sucking me on the way to mr koons house thinker i think or for making you feel so good good castro's attorney doug baggy had to interrupt sir. The question was is this your handwriting. Uh everything about the situation was a strange and uncomfortable as donald sterling using the word suck over and over again. They hadn't been your run-of-the-mill rich old guy and mistress arrangement castro drove donald around she cooked for him. She scheduled appointments mints for him. She got the weekend papers for him. Sterling asked her bathe him. Trust him to brush his hair to pick out his close. She claims that if she didn't put his socks on the right way you'd make or take them off and try again. It sounds sounds a lot like the way that feast. Viana described her relationship with donald sterling a decade later. Mr sterling's right hand arm man. I'm mister sterling everything. I'm his confidante. His best friend his silly rabbit also like v it was a piece of property that donald had purchased for his mistress that landed them in court donald and shelly sue castro over the beverly hills house. How's that he had bought for her and when castro wooden back down shelley went ahead and took control not by confronting donald but by going after the other woman she filed her lawsuit against castro quote solely as a married woman seeking to protect and recover community property in her individual capacity fees are the same words that would grace the lawsuit. She filed against east of yano eleven years later. Um she always comes in for the save. He's like mayday. Malone member from cheers cheap comes right in like supergirl the girl the person's falling into catch him as they fall ultimately shelly saved the day in the sterling's prevailed they had more resources and better had our lawyers donald and shelly force castro to settle before the case could go to trial you might think that either this case or the housing discrimination case this let alone the combination of the two would be a bit of a black guy for the sterling's and might elicit a little remorse and at least temporarily improve behavior fear but you would be wrong. Donald sterling loves the chance to argue in court even if he's in the hot seat and he doesn't mind throwing a few you million dollars at a problem to make it go away. Donald just kept right on being donald even as he got into bigger and bigger trouble with his real estate activities the u._s. Department of justice is suing the real estate mobile and owner of the clippers basketball team for allegedly discriminating against perspective renters based on race and family status in two thousand six. Donald faced his biggest foe yet the u._s. Department of justice came knocking on their door. They sued the sterling's for housing discrimination u._s. Attorney debra wong yang says here in los angeles where housing is already a premium. It is imperative that no one be denied in housing simply because of skin color ethnic background or because they have children. It's a big deal when the federal government decides. You're a big enough problem. They need to investigate you and file a lawsuit. Federal attorneys who specialize in housing in washington d._c. Are handling the matter which will be resolved in los angeles. Mike a really big deal so big in fact one might wonder what at the n._b._a. About on this turns out much. No one was even talking about it. Todd boyd is a professor at u._s._c. He writes about about the intersection of american popular culture race and sports at the time. The n._b._a. Was dealing with lots of questions about race. This was a moment went went black players and black culture coming to the forefront at the league. This is this period of time when you could visibly see the the impact of hip hop culture on basketball the owners who all happen to be white felt threatened so they enacted rules to try to mute the the impact of hip hop culture and reassert control. No incident accelerated this reaction more than two thousand four's malice at the palace halis. It was one of the ugliest moments in n._b._a. History when a brawl between the pistons and the pacers spread into the stands with players and fans fans throwing punches and beer at one another today the n._b._a. Players union is expected to appeal mass suspensions handed down after a brawl in michigan during a game in between the pacers and the pistons it was one of the most violent clashes between players and fans and sports history. Most of the players involved were black and most of the fans involved were white nothing about it. Look good for the n._b._a. So the n._b._a. Came down hard on the players. There's been this long history of the black athlete being representatives out of control as potentially criminal in some cases and if not criminal oh certainly doing all sorts of things that people would consider an appropriate in october two thousand five the n._b._a. Became the first sports league you to institute a dress code for its players players must dress and business casual attire during any team or league business so expect to see sport jackets and slacks rather in throwback jerseys and tee shirts. They don't want their players looking like wrappers. They want him looking like the people that are buying tickets. That's what's behind this. That's why they're they're implementing it but while the league was so concerned about policing the behavior of its players. No one was batting an eyelash about donald sterling when the justice department in came after him in two thousand six the for n._b._a. Player you know got a parking ticket. <hes> somebody's gonna write a story about it <hes> but an n._b._a. Owner can be guilty of something as agreed housing discrimination in his leg. Whatever it's that way in no oh small part because the owners don't answer to the league the league answers to the owners. The commissioner literally worked for them of course they wouldn't can be held to the same level of scrutiny but this was the time where the league should have dealt with donald sterling all the signs were there but they didn't if they had thought of it that moment vanish when they also became implicated in two thousand eight donald sterling fired his longtime general manager elgin baylor the clubs of the baylor resigned while the seventy four year old hall of famer is suggesting it is more acrimonious than that his departure from the payroll the owner donald sterling punctuates one of the strangest ten years of any sporting executive elgin hall of fame basketball player for the lakers had been dealing with donald's complete lack of competence competences an owner for decades. It was like working with one hand tied behind my back. Imagine how many years elgin baylor put up with that crap roy firestone your stone and he needed the gig. He needed the gig. The way elgin baylor was treated. What is the most disgraceful thing i ever seen in sports for an executive executive elgin had watch donald squander deals players opportunities and as a black general manager trying to advocate for mostly black players he'd had to endure the worst of donald and how he saw the world elgin baylor famously said of sterling that he wanted the clippers to be comprised composed of four black guys from the south and the white head coach the plantation owner when donald forced elgin out he sued donald the clippers andy rose are and in the n._b._a. At a news conference this week baylor who is seeking unspecified money said that sterling had a plantation minutes out elegant suit claimed the n._b._a. Had known all along about donald that they'd received the financials of every team in the league and that they knew full well that donald sterling had underpaid elgin both in respect to what other gm's made but also in respect to what he paid the white executives on the clippers payroll it is offensive at elgin baylor alert would have been paid a salary which based on comparable salary of m._b._a. General managers is a discreet elgin didn't win in court. It was hard to convince a jury that the general manager who'd been with the clippers through all of those losing seasons seasons hadn't deserve to be let go but in protecting itself against claims of discrimination by one of their owners the n._b._a. Had effectively cast their lot with sterling. There was no way they were going after him. Now and two thousand nine things started to turn around for for the sterling's for one. They put the housing suits behind them. They saddled with the department of justice that case resulted in a record two point seven million dollar settlement in two thousand nine the strings agreed to correct discriminatory practices but once again did not admit any guilt all told the sterling's paid at at least eight million dollars to settle their housing discrimination cases eight million was pocket change them and donald sterling didn't get so much as a single game suspension pension for any of it instead. It felt like in some perverse way. The universe was rewarding donald sterling with the first pick in the two two thousand nine n._b._a. Draft the los angeles clippers select blake griffin in spite of all his misdeeds. His team was getting the most anticipated draft. Pick in years pods kissers a lotta love around as expected blake griffin the all galaxy all everything eighteen forward from the university of oklahoma goals number one fourth straight year nine hundred eighty one two thousand nine. The clippers had thirty six first round draft picks. Almost all of them didn't pan out but blake. Griffin was different in the six ten power forward from oklahoma donald l. sterling had finally drafted a star player whose name everyone would know who slam dunks. Everyone would talk about it player that every other owner <unk> owner names blake griffin i played for the los angeles clippers from two thousand nine to two thousand eighteen. I mean this is the debut for the blazers won. I it it didn't take long for blake to realize exactly whose team he had landed on. There were rumblings about donald sterling at the time. You can look up the lawsuits online. Remember one of the first things as my mom said to me was well. I i researched your owner and he seems like he's had some troublesome incidents with <hes> lawsuits and racial profiling and stuff like that and i i kind of you said to her at the time yeah you know it's kind of an unknown thing in within the n._b._a. So blake put his head down and did what he wanted to do. Play basketball reference to keep it alive and continues to be aggressive and addressing absolutely on the court blake made an immediate impact griffin the last may be sick everything the clippers fans hope they would see off off the court he signed big endorsements with major car and shoe companies and even under the cultural zeitgeist something that was very unclearly. My next guest is a member of the los angeles clippers who was just named the n._b._a. Rookie of the year at last donald sterling had his magic johnson except donald than blake. We're never going to have what jerry buss and magic had that relationship nations ship was built on trust and respect it was a friendship and a partnership donald treated blake like a prize possession trophy the next one. I want to <music> introduce you to maybe too much. One donald was eager to show off his new acquisition and there was no better place than at the white party to kick off the season one of the finest athletes i've ever met. I want him to say a few words. Don't wanna know number one choice in america blake griffin. Sorry thank you guys we just wanna. I'd say you know we're excited as a team and we can't wait to get started oklahoma's. Nothing like california always say that support so thank you guys and you see that how you see yourself fan put in that situation. What were you feeling when he made you do that. That was so early in my career. I guess it was twenty at that time twenty one. Maybe really played a game yet so you try to handle it as best as possible. It's is just crazy like watching that and seeing how i cringe worthy at all is like it's just you just don't want to be there. You know what i mean and sad to save him. We got used to it. Aw you know what was going to tell donald sterling that he was cringe-worthy and nobody you're not gonna tell the guy right in the chicks. You know this is weird eared. I kinda always used when i was describing to like my friends or whoever i used a term like we were his racehorses or show horses. You know he'd come in the locker room. After games in he would bring people in to see us and like i remember like at times he would like grab my arm feel my arm and be like oh like tell other people to feel like feeling muscles in like touch my stomach and stuff and like i was nineteen twenty twenty one when this was happening and and so that made me feel like i was as a possession or like a a thing that he had like acquired say different agrees with like a plantation on our mentality <hes> <music> and there was always the sense that he had a plantation mentality in quotes but you didn't as an outsider here the specifics. What does that mean gene. Sandy banks was a columnist for the los angeles times. I had written about donald sterling when he was in trouble for discriminating in housing and <hes> not renting to blacks latinos to families sandy was well aware of everything donald sterling had been accused of so a new set of ads in the paper appearing right around the same time. Donald was settling his suits caught her attention. He was taking all these ads in the paper promoting his generosity and his donations donations sterling had been taking out ads and billboards in praise of himself since his early san diego days but these were different the ads all said what a great man donald sterling is generosity of donald sterling humanitarian award to donald sterling literally the opposite of what every other story three in the papers said about him and they all look like cut and paste ads like a third grader made them there would be donald sterling surrounded by a bunch of black people who'd been pasted in and i just wondered you know what's up with this guy so i got an invitation to hit the holiday summit the donald sterling charitable foundation summit part charity event part holiday party but mostly the donald sterling show he'd made a big deal of giving a million dollars to i think it was ten different schools and charities mostly dealing with minorities and low income folks and so he wanted a big party to celebrate that so he threw one for himself where he could make a big show out of handing out these awards it was the top floor of beverly hills hotel <hes> very elaborate a minute. I walked in. He took me over to blake griffin who just come here and said you want him. I'm sure you meet him. Beautiful woman good looking guy sure you wanna meet him and had us take pictures together <hes> and kind of marching blake around the whole night having him take pictures blake griffin his prize racehorse to borrow blake's word. It was cringe-worthy <music> at the part where he started talking to the whole crowd. When he introduced blake he did some little spiel in spanish is if he thought that blake griffin and he said something something about being hispanic and i said okay that's odd but i think maybe he just thought he says panic. You know what he looked like to him and that's how the whole night went the thing that stood out most as he was handing out those grants was how little he knew about anybody or anything that he was giving money to and how much presumption rested on basically what the person looked like who came to get the award the first award he was was giving it to roosevelt high school which is a high school in east l._a. The school donald had attended as a teenager and he said this is a school where nobody thought doc hispanic kids could learn and study calculus until that teacher came along while the teacher he was talking about was high may s galante. The guy who story became the movie stand and deliver except highest galante didn't teach roosevelt. He taught at the rival high school in east l._a. Garfield so that was i was wrong and then it was every time belmont high school was getting a grant and there was the counselor john kin and so he presumed that because it was an asian council. It must be an asian school so he said oh. What is that now now. It's mostly asian now right and he said no. It's eighty eight percent latino and then he introduced leroy jenkins who he said is one of the most fabulous men to ever run a charity and his name is not leroy jenkins. It's it's leon jenkins and the charity is the n. double a._c._p. And he was oblivious to any of the mistakes he made when people would correct him he would just go yeah yeah yeah many go on and make another another mistaken. There was no shame you know it was. It was just clear that he didn't. He didn't see these people. He saw these you know as representatives of some group that he wanted to be on record now as helping when sandy got invited to donald charity summit. She thought she knew exactly what to expect. I went there are prepared to kind of skewer and attack him and had all my research done but sandy found that harder to do than she expected. I as has a black woman felt furious at him as a reporter. I wanted to gotcha but as a columnist i felt compelled to to prison a more complicated picture of him the picture that i got of him which i found myself unable to despise him. I felt sorry for him. <hes> embarrassment to himself into i think you know most of the people who were watching but it didn't come across as militias just clownish. I rolling all around even as people were accepting those grants but nobody gave him back. You know cassoma somebody at old guy who carries around the old prejudices of people and you know he grew up in boyle heights which was very jewish jewish but then waves of immigrants from all over and then later became very latino and he was the son of a produce dealer changed his name from donnie toca wits to be donald sterling rolling because he was ashamed of being jewish and he's always been wanting to be accepted to be like the big guide you know the popular athlete the guy that gets the girls <hes> <hes> a sandy bank saw sterling for who he was man unable unable to stop himself from making tasteless jokes and impolitic comments but also a man who couldn't escape his upbringing and a man still desperately trying to we get to the top. The clippers were also trying desperately to get to the top. It's a long slog coming from the bottom having been there for decades seconds but for the first time the team was actually making moves to get there. They were building after the addition of blake. Griffin in two thousand nine came a huge trade in two thousand eleven that got them another star. A superstar breaking news here into sportscenter had been rumored for awhile. Was he going to the lakers whereas now if you go into the clippers yes chris paul not only instant offense but also instant credibility as griffin. Put it today with basketball fans here about the clippers i quote. It's not going to be a joke anymore. Getting chris paul was the beginning of a new era for the clippers lob. City lives laugh laugh city shitty clips. You're the welcome to love. City ladies things the right way gone me gone. They got their laps. Clear is like the buzz and a hype chris all signing. The excitement of blake griffin the most exciting player in the n._b._a. n._b._a. At the time ryan hollins played ten seasons in the n._b._a. He signed with the clippers in two thousand twelve the year before he had played for a boston celtics team team that finished first in the eastern conference. He knew it. A winning team felt like or over new l. a. He grew up in pasadena and played college ball at u._c._l._a. His entire l. a. basketball world was built around the lakers being kings and the clippers being a joke but now we were so good that we created that energy urged that made like the laker fans jealous like you guys had so many good years in right now. The clippers are running the n._b._a. Two thousand thirteen the clippers won their first pacific division title in franchise history the moment and they clinched it with a win over the lakers still pushing franchisees gordon durie extra sweet sweet realizes this was it the moment it felt like a torch court being passed in l._a. The lakers were vulnerable. Jerry buss died a little more than a month earlier and here. We're donald clippers. Finally getting the upper hand. Donald could finally be top dog. The two thousand thirteen clippers were one of the most electric teams in the regular season. They fizzled early in the playoffs so donald sterling did the thinkable. He listened to what his players wanted. <hes> this is truly one of the biggest moments clipper history definitely excited to be here to introduce doc rivers in june two thousand thirteen the clippers announced they had hired doc rivers as their new head coach chris paul had more or less demanded and donald had actually obliged rivers had led the boston celtics to a championship in two thousand eight and built a reputation as one of the best coaches in the n._b._a. We all knew what this meant well. I mean obviously you make a move like this because you wanna get out of the first and second second round of the playoffs and they've been doc was no stranger to donald sterling being played for the clippers way back in one thousand nine hundred one. He'd only lasted a year. He couldn't stand sterling when he signed on to coach the clippers. In two thousand thirteen he went in with eyes wide open. He knew who he was dealing with and that's why he asked that the clippers also named him senior vice president of player personnel that gave him power over the team's roster and to stand stand up to sterling this may doc the face of the organization he could be the shield so chris paul and blake griffin could focus on the court with doc rivers rivers arrival and a championship ring on his finger. Some see the clippers as immediate title contenders. I liked the expectations. I don't run from those at all. Doc had what it took to win. Team believed that they listen. They followed leave in the two thousand thirteen fourteen season went on. They were focused dominant pass to polish up to see all the way down the floor. The clippers were like a whole new organization when there was actually functional optional short donald still made unannounced visits to the locker room with his entourage to show off his players but president andy rosen company worked hard at keeping donald from the places. This is where he could mess things up namely basketball decisions. I don't know if there was the understanding that you know some owners. They know you've got a chance to win. They get out. They get out of the way we didn't see him. As much as he was prevalent in the past he did stay out of the way for a little bit but then it was almost like okay. He's been so quiet. The season in this huge mama's got to be coming around the corner. That huge bomb was right there sitting courtside with donald sterling. It wasn't a secret you news wrong. I guess it's kind of like those billionaire issues. Billionaire problems like okay. Only you can have an arrangement. You still marry but the chick was there. The thing is as much as this might seem like just another old guy young mistress arrangement this one was different even for donald and shelly who had been playing this game for almost as long as they'd been married just ten years before she met donald sterling had graduated from roosevelt high the same high school as donald donald and shelly she was a poor kid from tough neighborhood and she'd gotten into her share of trouble trying to make something bigger for self now here she she was the arm candy of the clippers owner and she seemed to live for the spotlight that came with it. She asserted herself in the clippers world in a way that felt more wife and mistress. She'll pop into the family room. She will pop up like she was very evident. And shelly sterling noticed she was paying excruciating associating attention to vs behavior because this was the most pressing threats she'd ever faced in almost sixty years of marriage this woman mm-hmm and had managed to drive a wedge between her and her husband and she was threatening to take over in the spring of two thousand thousand fourteen as the clippers were having the best season of their lives. Donald and shelly sterling were at an all time low. The bomb was taking the but the clippers couldn't hear it over the sound of all they're winning added a super sale forty nine and one of the year expired and got the little tern victories clippers us mark for the third consecutive season thirty for thirty podcasts are brought to you by on star if if you're ever in a crash and you're an anon- star quick vehicle you have specially trained advisers ready to help advisers can connect to your vehicle and get you the help you need even if you can't ask for yourself because when the unexpected happens the last thing you want to be alone onstar these safe out that requires an onstar star plan working electrical system so reception and g._p._s. signal onstar links to emergency services details limitations at onstar dot com so coming up on the next episode of the stirling affairs people pretend to be so appalled. We've already comfortable asking critical not to pray for fans to not go to the game. What it's like yo- yang knew who he was. Why are you surprised. Remember waking up in nyc. Come my phone being like two hundred messages or something like that. They were getting them barred it by people calling them uncle tom races. I thought the clippers had the grandest of stages to make a worldwide stan. I was all in shut down a whole season.

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THE STERLING AFFAIRS Part 4: Fallout

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THE STERLING AFFAIRS Part 4: Fallout

"Thirty for thirty podcasts is brought to you by delta. Airlines delta flights the three hundred cities around the world. That's three hundred cities where everyone does the same things as you. That's three hundred cities where the people in those three hundred cities think. They're the only ones who know about that. One place three hundred cities where people miss someone in one of the other other two hundred ninety nine sixty three hundred cities where people sing in the car or in the shower or both poorly delta isn't flying to three hundred cities merely early to bring us together but to show us. We're not that far apart in the first place delta keep climbing and and sterling surprise. I don't know if i'm surprised or not. I didn't like the comments. Obviously i'm gonna tell you now speaking on behalf of the team so the players are not going to deal with this issue a lot of guys voice their opinions none of them. Were happy happy about it. We're trying to go out to something that we've talked about all our childhoods and donald or anyone else had nothing to do with that dream right now are goes having haven't changed our focuses on golden state and it's going to stay on rate and episode four all playoff basketball. Ask ball is the pinnacle of basketball. That's what you play eighty two games four. That's what you go through training camp for the ups and downs of the seasons the pain that blood sweat and tears blake griffin and the clippers were right in the middle of the playoffs when t._m._z. released that donald sterling tape late on friday night april twenty fifth two thousand fourteen and you're allowed to you. You don't have to have yourself with walking with black last people everyone had heard it. It was all anyone could talk about all weekend now here. It was sunday morning not even and forty eight hours later and the clippers who had a two one lead in the series against the golden state warriors. Were supposed to play game four up in oakland. The players had worked their asses off from the time. They were too young to hold a regulation ball to get to this day. This was sterling's mass not the players and yet here. It was is landing on their shoulders consuming them. Just remember as a team. We had to talk about almost every time we met. You know what i mean because it was that big the thing clippers coach doc rivers had seen a lot in his time. He'd experienced the highs and the lows of the n._b._a. I as a player ears than as a coach he'd also survived his own house being burned down in what was believed to have been a racially motivated incident but even even he had never seen anything quite like this like. I didn't understand the magnitude. I knew what down sterling has said was awful but but i thought it was a sport thing and then when we went to the press conference and when i pulled up i saw c._b._s. Truck a._b._c. drunk and then i saw all the news man i had to let the players always get off the bus i and on that one. I said ara guys go in the gym twenty minutes saying okay this is. It's not a sport store. I remember that twenty minutes thinking what the players asked me to say had to be represented because it was about them and that's what i kept thinking this is about them and representing doc had begged his players to speak with one voice and when they agreed greed he offered them his he would face the questions he would give the answers he would try to navigate this. All consuming mess. Argo argo is to win the n._b._a. Title and we're not going to let anything stand in the way of that. He did his best both to be his team shield and their voice <hes>. That's adversity that we didn't want but we have. We have to deal with it internally but we're not going to share it with anybody else. This is the greatest moment of doc rivers career as a coach or as a man longtime clippers broadcaster ralph lawler. He was all all that was left really because sterling was in disgrace. Doc had no place to turn nobody to ask about anything and he he just did an unbelievable job of somehow getting it together and then keeping it together. I don't know how he did it but not even duck to keep the world's. Prying ears is from his players. Remember going to take my nap and waking up in nyc my phone on being like two hundred messages or something like that. The phones at the clippers players were going crazy. Marc spears is a writer for the undefeated. He was covering the clippers clippers and warriors playoff series. Everybody had an opinion and a noah got to be overwhelming for a lot of the clippers players because everybody was trying to tell alam what they should do. Players former players journalists of all stripes and credibility were shouting their opinions from the rooftops. Even steven jackson listen played for the clippers earlier that season i would not mind the another net cannot make me go play for somebody that respects my rate where i long list of people folks who died while i'm able to to make me the data that provide for my kids. Today you can hear them my boyfriend. I'm upset with it. 'cause i know these guys steal my play about somebody that despite the networks and the reverend jesse jackson was giving interviews about how the clippers should react questions. What will they do know. In the case of trayvon martin the miami heat made the statement by wearing their who this reacting to racist attack and the killing trayvon martin foot look through the players union. The story was all over the news. All over sports talk radio. I asked doc rivers. You know if there's any kind of pro-tech okay plant told within the hour that plays will considering actually not playing. We've already heard from people asking for the clippers not the play for fans to not to gain. It was a tough situation. Because what do you do when you had people coming out the woodwork texans saying don't play in a game make a stand clipper center. Ryan hollins felt that pressure he felt everyone's outrage over sterling and he didn't think it was fair. People tried to be pretend to be so appalled when the story came out but his light yo y'all knew he was. Why are you surprised he's the same dude at that white christmas party that you knew he's the same dude who had to kim black people out his buildings. Why are you so appalled right now that you heard it in words that were supposed to be behind closed doors like bro like do your research but his teammate matt barnes understood a small but powerful nuance. What a difference. A recording makes missiles one time where i think the organization new and i'm sure the n._b._a. New light we have a bad apple in he finally fucked up in. We have proof now. You know what i mean like. We have take now in the looking at the scale of the magnitude of a owner professional teams saying the stuff of being caught. I knew as a team we needed to do some stand together to show that that's just not right you know and ultimately they had to decide what they should do not grandma or lebron james. I'm sure to warriors players were texting. Some of the clippers players like what can we do. Marc spears from the undefeated. The warriors were ready to join forces with them and whatever they decided to do and they're kind of the locker room waiting to get word andrea. Madala was one of those warriors players willing to take a stand with the clippers yeah i was. I was all in you know like shut down a whole season. Maybe that was that was too far as far as a game that day. You know you could reschedule it. You gotta you gotta sort this thing out because there's some deep rooted stuff with him that had to be addressed the clippers in the warriors the n._b._a. All of them were in uncharted territory. No team had ever refused to start a game in the n._b._a. Before never mind the playoffs offs what would the league do who would be disqualified or forced to forfeit and what is it even fair to ask these men to give up on their lifelong dream <music> when they did nothing wrong and the fall for all the hate and all the racism still living comfortably in beverly hills trying to decide what to do and everybody was saying we should boycott. We shouldn't play and the idea was like okay. We haven't been playing for him in the first place. We didn't you know gather up before for jumble and say all right donald sterling on three one two three. We don't play for donald. I've never play one game of my career for donald sterling. They played for a number of these that play for myself. I play for the n._b._a. For the love of the game come to new california or llerena the l._a. Clippers golden state warriors each game four of their first round best of seven playoff off series and the clippers arrived at oracle arena. The stage was set for a protest a clippers protest. All eyes were on them. I thought thought to clippers had the grandest of stages to make a worldwide stand against what sterling said it was a sunday afternoon playoff game it was the whole world was watching as if he had already done enough damage to his players donald sterling managed to make things even more difficult and that he was coming to the game while this is happening donald goals while i'm still going to the game he's still in la la land and we're like yoda's dudas nuts as usual. The job fell to doc rivers to find a way to fix it our for the game. How now i'm on the phone with ownership evidence the most heated argument. You could possibly have <hes>. I think i didn't get on the phone until a minute because i'm still in the argument about going to come to the game. In the end dock. One donald for once caved the clippers owner stayed away and watched on t._v. With clippers president andy rosa while back at oracle ready or not it was time for the clippers to make their statement talk about what action the players should do. What do you hope to see today. From these teams. The only action that would be wrong is in action or neutrality from what the clippers thirty minutes to game time. The clippers left the locker room to wait in the tunnel of the clippers huddled huddled in their hallway right outside the locker room. They locked arms. They had their heads down and they were overheard. Shouting quote. It is just us only us we <music> are all we got it was back and forth and ideas on what to do when this is not the announcer's voice echoes throughout the sold out crowd at oracle arena introducing introducing the clippers it was time to take the court are remember. They walked out declan. Do what they're gonna do something. This is going to be at that moment. Tommie smith john carlos nineteen sixty eight moment. I'm here to see it. It's an oakland is the home of the black panthers right back in the locker room. The clippers had finally landed on what they were going to do and i just turn out jerseys inside our trip so it doesn't say covers basketball on them and then as soon as league out of issues thalmann innocent or court together doc rivers had told the clippers players whatever you guys decide to do do it as a team. The clippers emerged emerged from the tunnel and jog to center court. They took off all their warm-up tops in what the clippers are wearing our t shirts that are inside out so does basically we just all red top. Their tops. Do not have anything related to the name clipper on them right now. After the slightest of pauses they turned and left center court started their practice forming their layup line. We've been taught by jesse owens in the olympics who formed right in front of hitler. You're that you perform you. Go out and you don't let anyone talk you out of your job in what you dreamed of. We have a shot and i think that's the message such so. I think this is a message of action to be honest. I got teary eyed my mom's from the south my parents it's have dealt with a lot of racism and things so i was hoping that they were gonna make a grandstand. I was hoping that they weren't gonna play. I remember birther when they started playing man. I i got tears in my eyes. Disappointment boycotted. It would have been a history book story. They would've been iconic but they decided to go the more peaceful road. They're not playing for the clipper organization today. They are playing for doc rivers and they're playing for each other. Ed's grow not for donald sterling's team <music>. The clippers wanted to make their statement on the court but once the game tipped off one is knocked along along the lines of warriors came out firing the clippers had nothing wanna play go warriors look as if they will not be denied on this afternoon around here. They blasted us just because our energy was gone and we were folks. Everything basketball twenty in the first quarter is curry went five for five live from downtown on the seventy four. Stay fed on it. I don't know if i can go this far but like they played against us like they were playing against sterling like we were the bad guys like they attacked us like they wanted his head. You know and i don't know if that was exactly their mindset but there was no mindset of we're we're cool that you guys have we feel bad ain't feel bad for us. They owned it twenty four allows. The clippers lost one eighteen to ninety seven. You saw the result now. They need to win a basketball game going goldbach and his team left san francisco on sunday night in a bad situation. The series was tied at two games apiece. The clippers were suddenly endanger of not making it out of the first round. We're about to throw our season away so we had to get it together. We had to figure stuff out man now. The series series was headed back to l. a. We're going home now and usually that would mean we're going to are safe haven and i don't even know if that's true to be honest. I'd be lying if i was. I was nervous about what is going to be like. Is it going to be easier or harder to go back to l._a. And deal with it because is the city of los angeles was dealing with sterling tapes to the city. That's been home to some of america's worst racial divisions. The watts riots in nineteen sixty five the riots after the rodney king verdict in nineteen ninety-two the o._j. Simpson trial now the largest residential landlord in los angeles man with a history history of housing discrimination saying this on tape. There was legitimate fear that when the series moved back to l. a. violence might erupt and especially with donald sterling a man who could start a firestorm with a wet notch. Sterling is a person who should not on a basketball team with black players. It's outrageous. I think donald sterling is despicable and a bad guy. The hashtag boycott clippers was trending on every platform. You can hashtag on and doc rivers had to take that onto the show of the staple center and put without this crazy fire that i had nothing to do with the employees. Were threatening the walkout. They were getting bombarded by people. Call on them uncle. Tom races and they didn't down the phones at the clippers. Offices were ringing off the hook with calls from angry hurt people from all over in your scum for supporting a racist donald sterling. You're just as racist as he is. There were so many death threats and the whole situation was so traumatic traumatic that the n._b._a. Had to call in a crisis counselor. The league brought in some people for emotional support broadcast cast buddy brian simmons saying you gotta go sit down with that person to talk to him that your your all messed up and i did not do that by perhaps should would have a might have shortened my period of shock and grief. It was such a terrible time for all of us. I i may have handled it as poorly as anybody because i'd i'd been around for so long thirty-five years or something or other and it just really really rocked me it was an emotional roller coaster but it was all downhill never thought you're going to get to get back to the topic and then the clippers sponsorships began to evaporate among the largest sponsors who mush indians they have dropped out as carmax and virgin america state state farm and key and red bull are suspending their marketing operations in fact red bull has told the clippers they do not want any signs in the staple center. The clippers were hurtling towards elimination if they couldn't get their basketball focused back and both the team in the n._b._a. For flirting meeting with the not yet invented term of being canceled if the league didn't deal with donald sterling <music> thirty for thirty podcasts are brought to you by onstar. Did you know on star can help recover a stolen vehicle with stolen vehicle. Slowdown on onstar advisor can work with law enforcement to help. Get your stolen car back quicker and safer onstar be. He's safe out. There requires an onstar plan working electrical system so reception and g._p._s. signal doesn't prevent theft damage or loss details at onstar onstar dot com justice never mind racial justice can be a tricky thing to ask for in the n._b._a. Or anywhere else as for that matter a professional sports league is a very particular bubble. We're crazy. Amounts of wealth and fame helped shape a world that often feels cut off from reality thirty but a league like the n._b._a. Is also reflection of the world around it were historically. The power has been held by old rich white men even the commissioner the one person and position to serve justice literally worked for the owners not the players but unfortunately for those old rich white men times were changing. Kevin johnson was representing the n._b._a. Players association at the time him and spoke to the press about the kinds of conversations that were happening behind the scenes. We all got on the phone in the players around the league said we want immediate investigation. They wanted to make sure that the players voices were heard <hes> they didn't want to be passive. <hes> participants they wanted to be active and have a seat at the table and lastly they wanted the <hes>. The maximum sanctioned the most severe sanctions possible <hes> that we're allowable under the n._b._a. Guideline johnson made these demands public including being asking silver for a full reckoning of sterling's history of racist incidents answers about why the n._b._a. Had never sanctioned him the clippers. I chose not to boycott game four but that didn't mean game five was locked to play if silvers investigation didn't end with a judicial out calm <hes> protests would no longer be polite or silent right after i talked to the players i call commissioner silver and he just said this is really hard for the league right now and tell them it's hard for the league but if the defining moment it's our moment of truth and it's us us exports once again to transcend everyday challenges colleges society and lead by example the n._b._a. No longer had the option to sit back and do nothing about donald sterling's racism. It's not the donald donald sterling's beliefs were unique or even knew that plantation mentality has been around as long as this country has existed the players understood the world was changing changing and it was changing in part because of them seven years earlier in two thousand eight but donald sterling was in the middle all of his housing discrimination lawsuit with the department of justice the n._b._a. Was still a league with the players remain relatively quiet political issues. I remembered edwin lebron. James had a teammate who was protesting about what was going on and dr for lebron about it and he's like. I need to do more research no comment but then lebron james did that research and chose to comment. James says he will help raise awareness about china's role in sudan. There should be some kind of light. Shine upon athletes are word is so strong that a lotta people listen to him. He had realized something his is voices. The player mattered with millions of fans around the world. He had the power to influence and had a responsibility to do something with that power <music> at the end of the day. We're talking about human rights not talking about contracts here. We not talking about money. We come up. He was lives being lost. A a tremor of change started to rumble throughout the n._b._a. Two years later in two thousand ten the bron james claimed his power as a superstar in league in a way no player ever had before the answer to the question. Everybody wants to know lebron. What's your decision. He announced his decision to leave the cleveland. Even cavaliers live on national television <hes> and this form take my talents to south beach and join the miami heat his plan when you go to miami and former super team with dwayne wade and chris bosh boss replace. What's the strange had worked. The heat went to the finals for four straight years but losing their superstar decimated the value of the cavs <music> terrified owners around the league the realization that one player could impact their bottom line like that and even worse the fear that players could and would band together to make the league work the way that they wanted to do so the owners began to fight to make it harder for any player to ever have that much power over a franchise again oh the n._b._a. Lockout officially began last night twelve a one a._m. Eastern time the owners wanted their power back back and in the two thousand eleven lockout they got it after one hundred forty day lockout approximately half a billion dollars in losses a handshake agreement early saturday the owners revenue share went up as did the penalty for teams who went over the salary cap. What kind of deal has ended up being for the players well. It hasn't ended up being the greatest in the world. We all know that they've had to give back in excess of a billion dollars fifty clear win for management and a clear message from owners to players. We're still in control didn't last very long though because the real world finally came crashing through the n._b._a. Bobble this is the face of seventeen year royal trayvon martin whose death provoked weeks of demonstrations and tonight a rally your n._b._a. Couldn't control how horrors the real world would affect its african american players or how those players would respond and as you can see here lebron james took to twitter. He posted a team photo of the miami heat clad and hoodies. It was accompanied by the hashtag. We are trayvon martin in our area of social media. Shall roberts is the executive director of the n._b._a. Players players association these young men have millions of people following them and they know it and these young men know that the millions of people that are following them are listening. There is a certain degree of power that comes with that knowledge something happens. They can instantaneously tell you what they think. Good bad indifferent in different they could speak to millions of people just by the push of a button that social media whole aspect change is real real power shift is on a day to day basis. The world is here from the players not the owners and in the years leading up to this moment players like matt barnes all about embracing that new power definitely more or the shut up and dribble now you know basketball such a small part of who we are and what we do you know where most of them were all men first and foremost belt fathers husbands brothers and then you know business business owners and philanthropists and we do so much stuff out there. It's a fight that didn't begin with donald sterling. It's been happening historically both in our game in another sports for many many years but the players that i work for our men and they demand to be treated like men not moore athletes but as men and men don't tolerate the kind of ignorance that was donald sterling. You don't tolerate that in your space. When this tape came out the players had megaphones and weren't afraid to use them like the warriors andrea gonzala. We can't forget how much power we have and whenever we get opportunities we got quit. You know pedal into the metal and just attack them. We gotta go at next when or because we always get exposed awesome we make mistakes and they don't no one's really held accountable the way we are. We make mistakes so i always say listen. We opportunity to put our foot on nick. We gotta go get get them. Through the players union the player's made it clear to adam silver the players feel that this owner is not fit in worthy to be a part of the n._b._a. Family and there's one family you know if there's a hit a racism lie cancer. You have to immediately take it out. Adam silver's investigation move fast ast he took four days to talk to players coaches and owners. His investigator talked to donald who confirmed that yes that was him on the tape. He also talked to v in her lawyer. V maintained that donald knew she was recording him and she provided proof of a third person on one of the tapes to back backup that claim this was an important detail. Maybe the most important detail because it's illegal to record someone without their knowledge in the state of california -fornia and now that silver knew the tape was legit. He could act on tuesday april twenty ninth at five p._m. Eastern time mere hours before game five. Adam silver called a press conference and you're looking live at midtown manhattan where n._b._a. Commissioner adam silver is expected expected to take the podium any second now. It was one of those. Where were you when moments when everyone everywhere comes to a grinding halt. It ain't abomination monica. I apologize to interrupt because we see the commission right. Here comes the commissioner now. He's made his way into the room so jamal will hold that. Let's go out to the commissioner live. I was standing outside the clippers practice facility reporting for e._s._p._n. Might need the money. They're coming back in the mic. Thank in one year. I had to feed from the studio and in the other the press conference. It's my job was to make sense of silver's decision in real time. Let's go out to the commissioner live now being here shortly after the release of an audio recording this past saturday morning of a conversation that allegedly included clippers owner donald sterling the n._b._a. Commenced instant investigation which among other things included an interview of mr sterling that investigation is now complete. This is the only people that we're going to really make a change not just stand up so i think we stood up for the only people who are really gonna make a change was adam silver and the other owners effective effective immediately. I am banning mr sterling for life from any association with the clippers organization nation or the n._b._a. Mister sterling may not attend any n._b._a. Games or practices he he may not be present at any clippers facility and he may not participate in any business or player personnel decisions involving the team. I was shocked by what i heard. I was prepared for a lengthy suspension. I was prepared prepared for a fine. I wasn't prepared for this. Adam silver was not going for the maximum sentence. He was doing more than we even realize he could do will also be barred from attending n._b._a. Board of governors meetings or participating in any other league activity. I'm also finding mister sterling two point five million dollars. The maximum amount allowed under the n._b._a. Constitution commissioner works for the owners and here he was banning one of them for life. I could not imagine his predecessor. David stern earn doing this. The guy who turned the other cheek so many times but adam silver had listened to the players. He'd taken a stand against an owner. They many of us knew the league had abided by for decades. Why did you ban donald sterling for life. I believe that he had crossed the line. The broke the the essence of the contract of the moral fiber of this league the values that had been part of this league from its earliest days and i didn't think it could be repaired. I think that's where the lifetime ban came in. I thought that there was no way way that we could turn the clock back at that point. His tenure was going to be judged on what he did. That's very first incident as commissioner and i think he had the great i we'll say there was probably an advantage in my newness to the job in that. It all happened so quickly. I didn't spend a lot of time putting my actions into a broader context of sports leagues or society because i had an immediate issue that required an immediate decision by making this decision and listening to his players silver validated the players power in this league. I saw this as an incremental step in terms terms of player rights and i i often trace player empowerment back to the early days of this league and to me. This was part of the a dna of the players in this league. This has been a painful moment for all members of the n._b._a. Family i appreciate the support and understanding of our players. During this process we stand together in condemning mr sterling's views. They simply have no place in the n._b._a. Silver had acted swiftly and fairly exactly what he said he would do those great. It's very day magic johnson. The guy who had been at the center of donald racist hiring screw day it for united states have a great day for the n._b._a. A great day for all people all racist but especially especially you know african americans latinos who you know he was speaking out against marc spears was across town where a crowd had gathered at city hall would i do remember is <hes> being at city hall and my kareem pierre and kevin johnson steve nash and former players and some some current players and they're ready to pounce and now smith came out and everybody was already screaming ticket and burns staple center down and adam silver was like we're going to ban this man when he came out. We're like what wow light stunned. Everybody was absolutely stunned. Put down to picket signs and flaming torches like everything they're about to do like no. We could do stronger than that. I don't know if adam silver will have a greater moment in his career and it happened early days. I was still standing outside the clippers practice facility when the press conference ended love driving by and honking their horns until libration. It felt like all of los angeles pull back from the brink. Finally someone had done something about donald. Sterling inside the clippers kept practicing. They had a game to play and all is sports fans and otherwise focused on staples center tonight. It's game five between the warriors and clippers silver's decision had come just just a few hours before the clippers were set to play game five back in los angeles aged thirty years in the past four days that has been <hes> that emotional roller coaster. Oh sure and i really feel like today. The commissioner silver's swift and very thorough announcement. The cloud was lifted from the players heads the fans heads. You see a ray of sunshine. You see some blue sky think hey there's hope and we could have a great three-game three-game series starting night all my years of covering sports. I've never experienced anything like that game five at the staple center the team that we're here so thin because tonight the frog will never be more important than it is tonight. This busy emotionally drained knocker said he's mostly religion. I'm emotionally drained. The extra adrenalin lift you get from a raucous crowd. That'd be different ball club here tonight. Stands were filled with fans wearing black. All the ads have been covered in black every last one of them at gametime every n._b._a. Team turned their website to black with the message. We we are one. They built the energy. There was the liveliest noting i'd ever been in as a clipper. It was amazing. Staple center was booming with this overwhelming feeling feeling of donald sterling the racist had left to build but his wife shelly was still there. I think it was just did did that. I sit all the way up on the top. Even though her husband was no longer allowed anywhere near the building shelly sterling came to game five she'd been at game four she sat courtside seats and it hadn't gone over well a game five. She'd been asked to sit up in a luxury box. I couldn't even see see what would what the game was about. I think they just wanted to see the reaction of the fans but they might say if i sat on the floor they might get upset. I just felt that if that's what they want to do that so. I don't cause any problem album and i can still watch my team. Technically this was still her team. She was still allowed to be there and in many ways she was still welcome and he was very very kind very very nice she at least by talked me by name spoke to me by name and knows encouraging. I got a chance. I talked to her a lot more than i thought don. I really just found her. As a pleasant you know knifes later but shelley's presence did put the team in a tough spot what she was guilty association it was it was very awkward. I felt i wanted to be at the games. It's my team and i love the team. You know you didn't know her personally but you feel bad for her but it still was a weird energy. Why are you still here. Why you want to be on a front row you married read them. How far removed are you from that so yeah. I do feel bad but i don't know how much i trust you. I felt that i'm not a racist and and we never were racist and i wanted to show the people i'm not afraid of anybody and i have nothing to fear while shelley only watch from above the clippers tried to get their mojo back on the court loop the the clippers won that game and held on to win the series but i decided i couldn't keep following the clippers playoff run not because i had any way of knowing they'd lose in the next round oklahoma the city and be done with their season but because what was going on the rest of the playoffs wasn't really the story anymore. The story now was what the hell happens to this franchise sure silver headband donald but it was a gesture not a solution donald still owned the team and adam silver still had to figure out how the n._b._a. could undo that fact and find a new owner and he needed to do it quickly. I needed to follow oh how all this was going to shake out between adam silver and the sterling's. I had a hunch that the drama was only starting. Although i had no idea how dramatic it would all end up. Being donald was never wanted to back down from a fight every other day. Some celebrity or billionaire was coming out as a potential buyer for the team as the team wins on the court. There's no shortage of celebrities who want to get in on the action. I'd say magic johnson. It'd be cool. If it was magic i guess boxer floyd mayweather and rapper sean diddy combs and the list grows in addition to floyd in diddy. There was speculation that music mogul david geffen in oracle c._e._o. Larry ellison would put in a bid. Their group also included oprah winfrey. Oprah seem to understand that the writing was on the wall for donald sterling sterling and the n._b._a. This wasn't just about the sale of a basketball team as she told t._m._z. This was bigger tall. I gotta say is we're all off. The plantation plantation days are old but to get there. We would end up where everything thing with donald ends up in court but this time it wouldn't be the sterling's versus someone else it. It would be donald versus shelley. <hes> thirty for thirty podcasts are brought to you by state farm these days everyone is busy may not know where to start when it comes to insurance will state farm has over nineteen thousand agents across across the country who are here to help life go right. They're willing to sit down and take the time to understand what's important to you and create a customized plan to help you protected when you have a state farm agent on your team. You can always trust that. They've got you state farm here to help life go right coming up on the next episode of the stirling affairs. Now one even knew the clippers existed until i came into the franchise. I hear this horrible person just slap in the face over six years. They've become almost everything to each other. I know he loves me confident talkative competent and he'll never divorce me. Mrs mrs sterling you own fifty percent of the l._a. Clippers the n._b._a. Wants to stoop. Completely wall looks like the n._b._a. Could do whatever the hell they want. Here alice's okay. I want to buy the team how much you want. It's a shit show one point six to two point. Oh yeah bill you no saying rings true. You're so poor. All you have is your money but auto money in the world ain't gonna change reputation.

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THE STERLING AFFAIRS Part 5: Not Fit

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THE STERLING AFFAIRS Part 5: Not Fit

"We all do better when we look out for each other help. Each other stay safe on star helps drivers travel with added confidence for more than twenty years on star has been giving members added piece of mind behind the wheel. No one likes to think about getting in a crash but we know it happens. If you have on star you have an adviser available twenty four seven with automatic crash response built in sensors can alert on star adviser of an impact your vehicle can connect to onstar in an advisor can assess the situation and get you the help you need. Even if you can't ask for yourself and with onstar you have a real person ready to help specially trained advisors available twenty four seven mm-hmm because when the unexpected happens out on the road the last thing you want to be alone onstar be safe out there onstar is available at chevrolet buick quick g._m._c. and cadillac requires onstar plan working electrical system cell reception g._p._s. signal onstar links to emergency services limitations apply <music> visit onstar dot com for details fan support for the clippers remain strong as the team battles the thunder in the playoffs but scandal continues to swirl around team owner donald sterling the n._b._a. Hopes to force donald sterling to sell the clippers but his estranged wife. Shelly owns a fifty percent stake in the team. She promises to fight to maintain ownership vance. Say the team needs a fresh start. Uh that first night back in the staple center for game five hours after adam silver band donald sterling. I noticed a couple sitting in the pressroom. They were an older couple wearing matching red shirts that said team. Shelly on the front is caught my attention in all my years years of covering the clippers. I'd never really thought of shelly is anything more than donald's wife. The woman who suck it out with noxious cheating husband for sixty years but also shelly wasn't exactly a popular figure at the time anything associated with the sterling name was downright toxic. So who are these people bull brave enough to wear team shelly shirts to a hostile arena in the middle of all this the couple wearing those shirts were shelley's dear friend captain imbalan- and her husband. My first conversation with catherine wasn't remarkable in any way but it did for the first time wake me up to the fact that shelly sterling was not simply the quiet stand by your man housewife that i had imagined she was all those years she was in the middle of a battle herself. She was not about to go down without a fight eight. This is episode five not doc the commissioner made it clear that he would like doc ownership to change with this team as uncomfortable as it might be to answer this question. Do you think it would be best. If donald sterling was no longer owner of this team for everyone or i i don't think he will be. I think that's been clear think adams made that clear so i think that's already been decided and yes. I do think that's the right decision. The next step dep is where do we go. The clippers coach. Doc rivers didn't even know what it meant. That donald was banned but technically still on the team tonight at staples center every penny will still go to him and then foreseeable future every penny will still go to him so you look at this for the players and they say donald show to come around to anything you know what they're really changes for their day to day a nothing because donald sterling still going to be the one that's out here getting paid n._b._a. Commissioner adam silver wanted to take the team away from sterling the faster oster. He moved the better the chances of that actually happening. The fans and the public were squarely on his side. He needed the pressure of their outrage to back them up because when it came down to it whether or not sterling at to keep his team was on the other owners your members of a very select fraternity and donald sterling is a member of your fraternity and you are either silently endorsing him or you are publicly rebuking him and that's what will actually make this change the other other twenty nine owners twenty eight of whom are other rich white guys need to do something now. They should already have a lot of these. Same orders are the ones that kimmy opinion year after year after year when we knew all the racial stuff was going on out here. The problem is those other owners were guys who also said plenty of things in private. They wouldn't wanna be held accountable for in public dallas mavericks owner mark cuban was the first voice is unease donald's done within the confines homeadvisor the n._b._a. Adam will deal with that within the constitution of the n._b._a. And i'm all for him taking those steps but in terms of shall we kick him out and go outside of the constitution. Should we start taking steps to condemn people for what they say the privacy of their own home it just happens to be recorded as a slippery slope. I don't wanna get on if there are other owners concerned concerned about that slippery slope. Donald sterling might still have a chance all he needed was seven owners to vote to keep them in and then donald went on t._v. I sat down with the embattled l._a. Clippers owner and his beverly hills home for a no-holds-barred interview there no ground rules. Nothing was off limits and there was no p._r. Entourage toronto telling him what to say and went to stop. These are sterling's words in his alone. Donald sterling hadn't given a sit down interview in nearly fifteen years the last time he'd done one in april of two thousand for sports illustrated. He landed on the cover as the man responsible for the worst franchise in the history of sports now here. He was giving an interview to anderson cooper on c._n._n. Two weeks had passed since t._m._z. Publish that tape in donald hadn't said a word not even after adam silver banned him for life. Millions of people tuned in to see what he would say myself included. I'm not a racist. I made a terrible terrible mistake and i'm here with you today to apologize and to ask for forgiveness business for all the people that i've heard and i've heard so many people so many innocent people and i've hurt myself so it was as bizarre an interview as anything i have ever seen at times talking about his mistress feast of yano. He was weepy and distraught tried. Perhaps she's made some mistakes. I thought she cared for me. I was stupid. How could a girl care for a man man fifty one years old. She wouldn't release those tapes. I think she's not a bad person. You know and other times he was defiant for a lot of people though these comments that were caught on tape do echo other charges that have been made in the past as you know by elgin baylor in other lawsuits. No no no no no no no. You're trying to connect elgin baylor. It has nothing to do with with what the things. I said twenty years later well. What does that have to do. Well elgin baylor made a claim that you had a plantation mentality and then now in this in this thing your saying you feed these guys. You have more of a plantation mentality than i do. You know what i think. You're more of a racist than i am. I'm not a racist and i'd never been a racist never be a racist. I don't know what that means that you're asking me about questions. What do you mean a mentality tallahassee. He had started by saying he was there to apologize and then kept categorically denying he'd done anything wrong in a moment where he could have tried to redeem deemed himself donald sterling instead double down on his strange vendetta against magic johnson. What has he done. Can you tell me big magic johnson what does he he done is a businessperson. He got age. Did he do any business. I like the help anybody in south l._a. Has h._i._v. doesn't actually have full blown aids. All what kind of a guy goes to every city s._x. With every girl then he catches h._i._v. And is that someone we want to respected and tell our kids about. I think he should be ashamed of himself. I think he should go into the background. But what does he do for the black. People all of all the guys in basketball past and present magic johnson was pretty universally adored well. It was just i was blown away i was i couldn't believe that he has said those things but what people watching that interview at home didn't know was that donald had held jerry buss launch showtime how we'd watch jerry and magic form a bond helping beloved and being lauded for the way he gave back to his community the way magic johnson unwise that that was all donald toca wits had ever wanted all those times donald sterling had bought himself awards or outright lied about donations. You never made magic johnson. Success was real respect. He earned was real the money he gave back to his community was real. First of all twenty two years ago announced that i did have h._i._v. And i came out like a man you know i told the world and i hope hoped i was able to help people in doing that and i think i did and then we've given away over fifteen million dollars foundation. I've done a lot of work in h._i._v. W as community i mean he made love to every girl in every city in america and he had age and when he had those aids i went to my synagogue and i prayed for him. I hoped he could live and be well if meant to exonerate himself in that interview donald donald sterling had failed in every way imaginable any remaining question about what kind of man he was had been answered. There was no saving donald from the court of public opinion anymore. The owners are not gonna vote to save him after this. His fate was sealed. Shelly was going to survive and hold onto this team. She was going to have to save herself. It became clear that the n._b._a. And the commissioner in particular moving so fast that she was going to be roadkill they were so far had in its like were done. This is over. She's gonna be toast just like he is. Shelley's public public relations consultant glen bunting realized they needed to act quickly and so i came up with the idea barbara walters. What is your relationship today with your husband and where estranged. We've been estranged for about a year like her husband. Shelly sterling never gave interviews. She's been married to this man for four fifty eight years married at twenty one and she now has to stand up for herself because she's going to take on the league. She's going to take on this p._r. Nightmare and she's never done an interview. 'cause she's always been behind. The scenes was time for shelley to step out of the shadows and insert herself into the narrative uh her main objective seem to be distance yourself from the dumpster fire that was her husband donald sterling and assert her independence. She even waved a petition for divorce voice in front of the camera. Will you divorce your husband for the last twenty years. I've been seeing attorneys. He's for divorce and on and off and on and off and in fact i signed the petition for divorce and the came to almost being filed and then my financial visor and my attorney said said to me not now. What was the last straw that made you say after all these years. I'm outta here. This last a few weeks was the worst and i just couldn't take anymore. It was a masterstroke shelly. Oh he came across as the loyal wife betrayed by cheating husband and his much younger mistress in just one interview she'd gone from toxic co-conspirator too sympathetic victim uh-huh and she was subjecting yourself to this very public humiliation. She said because she was fighting for her rights and her team misses sterling you own fifty percent of the l._a. Clippers while the op reports that the n._b._a. wants to stoop completely as a team on you will fight that decision. I will fight that decision. I think half the team is mine and i'll fight for it was a nice sentiment but her lawyer pierce o'donnell already knew you. His client didn't have much legal ground to stand on. I'd had a couple of hours to read the n._b._a. Constitution and by laws like whoa looks like the everyone can do whatever the hell they want the n._b._a. Didn't want to negotiate with donald sterling's wife but it also couldn't afford not to adam silver was in a precarious position physician. He would need three quarters of the n._b._a. Owners to approve taking the team from sterling and even if he got those votes there would likely be a long ugly legal legal battle with donald it would be cleaner much cleaner if there was a way for the league to work with her to sell the team before the owners vote ever took place so adam silver listened to what pierce had to say after some pleasantries. I take over and i say look at them. <hes> <hes> we really want to try to resolve this and not have a public bloodletting. It's not going to be good for the n._b._a. And it won't be good for shelly. I have a proposal oh that proposal let shelly negotiate the sale of the team and then let shelly handle donald to say he jumped at the idea would be an and understatement. I was on perilously thin legal grounds. I say that candidly but the n._b._a. They probably knew it but whatever <hes> trauma blustering irishman trial lawyer so what the hell but i was thrilled the outcome of that meeting on may nineteenth adam silver filed charges to terminate donald sterling's ownership of the clippers and officially said a vote for june third in the meantime pierce's blustering weren't don't between now and not vote in shelly had twelve days to find a buyer signed what fuck i saw a basketball team and i never sold the basketball escobar chicken much less a basketball team. Luckily for them. There was already a lot of interest bids came in immediately oprah winfrey facts in her bid from the instead of the movie selma former clippers player grant hill put in a bid but then shelly sterling got a call that changed every it was really really funny because i got a phone call seven in the morning on a friday morning early like sevenish. Her phone rings her cell phone and she caught up groggily grabs the phone and says hello and some man's on the phone. He's telling me his name. I can't even understand what he say. I'm steve bomber. I like to fly down from seattle to me with you. He says i want to buy the team. It's okay so he says <hes>. When can i meet you. I says well. I have a few interviews today. <hes> how 'bout tomorrow at three o'clock is up either and he hung up and i went back to sleep. She wakes up later in calls a friend of hers should i do you know who steve bomber is and she's dummy steve bobber. I said oh okay now. I know was this company. Steve fomer had just retired as the c._e._o. Of microsoft he was worth an estimated twenty twenty billion dollars and had recently lost a bid to buy an n._b._a. Team so he was highly motivated to close this deal the saturday of memorial day weekend. I'm steve flies in on his private. Plane walks in promptly three o'clock and he says okay. I want to buy the team. How much do you want and i had originally told my attorney what i wanted one point six to two point. Oh yeah billion not dollars so i says well. This is what i like and so he's well. What have we been offer so far. I says well pretty close to it. Is i'll give you one point nine. I says i really want to point oh <music> <music> then he came back and he said okay. It's a deal right up. The papers two billion was a staggering being number bomber beat out oprah and the rest of the bidders by hundreds of millions of dollars the last n._b._a. Franchise to be sold the milwaukee bucks in april of two thousand fourteen had sold five hundred fifty million dollars just weeks before this whole scandal blew up shelly sterling got steve ballmer her to give her more than three and a half times at all for a franchise that was in crisis shall even got all her special requests for to courtside seats for the rest of her life additional seats for her friends parking food for her and our guests access to the v._i._p. Club three rings is the clippers ever win a championship during her lifetime the title owner emeritus shelley's thrilled okay but i have a problem donald. It has to sign off. It was a condition from steve ballmer and the n._b._a. Either donald has to sign off on the sale or a court has to approve shelley's authority to sell all the team pearson shelley would have to go to donald and his lawyers with less than a week to close the sale before the board of governors vote on june third. Hope hope for the best plan for the worst so i'd already had six lawyers in the firm working out plan b a backup plan in case donald pull the donald and tried to scuttle the deal pearson his team had planned for this though there was a provision in donald and shelly family trust that could completely turn the tables apple's if to doctors specializing in mental health certify that he lacks the capacity mental capacity to function auction as a trustee of multibillion dollar empire that trustee is removed but pierce couldn't put the plan together unless shelly shelly sterling agreed. It was a hell of an ask. I'm telling you she was crying at night and it was very very difficult for her but ultimately shelley agreed and told pierce to start preparing plan b. and hope they wouldn't have to resort to it. Thirty for thirty podcasts are brought to you by state farm whether in the game of basketball or or in life having an m._v._p. 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When i got there i went in and i was told oh he's in the next room meeting with somebody and he knows your hero be there in a minute <hes> <hes> after about five or ten minutes i went in sat down introduced myself. She introduced herself and then ultimately <unk> herman that oh she's here doing this evaluation. She was there to evaluate donald for dementia. Donald nuit shelly knew it demand interviewing to become donald's lawyer nuit this was done in broad daylight and so after the interview she says mister sterling. I wanna tell you my diagnosis based testing and my observation of you so you have a form of dementia <hes> known as early alzheimer's down said thank you. I'm hungry. Let's go to lunch. That was a reaction. They got the second diagnosis that donald had dementia from a renowned geriatric psychiatrists at u._c._l._a. Dr james spar three days after initial diagnosis. They had the two diagnoses in their back. Pocket says they negotiated with steve balmer. Mike pierce said had plan b when they got the sale agreement with steve balmer figured out. They gave donald the chance to do this. The easy way to sign off on the sale that shelley had negotiated we get him on the phone and donald launches into a tirade. I can get more money for the team. What fuck there were a lot of fucked use and i'm a team. It was time to implement plan b pierce o. Donnell had a letter ready to send donald's lead attorney max bleacher the same lawyer who had saved donald from getting kicked out of the n._b._a. Back in nineteen eighty-four dear max cleese finding closed reports dr platz dr spar both of whom have concluded that donald lacks capacity pursuant to section three point nine whatever it is of the sterling family family trust amanda last december. Donald is hereby removed. No one on donald's team saw this coming. It is prime max bleacher had been illegal lion but he was in his eighties now bobby. Samimi had barely been hired and was still getting caught up on the case. The funnier part was that i don't really know anything about sports and it was already too late to do much about it. They tried in vain to find a big procedure steph's law firm to partner with but no one wanted to touch donald sterling no one wanted to stake their reputation as the firm that defended that old racist donald looked to me and and said the cavalry is not coming. It had been thirty years since donald next bleacher had teamed up to take on the n._b._a. The first time the league tried to revoke his ownership after he moved the clippers to l. a. without permission <hes> but the world has changed since then even if donald himself had not <music> and now here he was the deal guy who always got the best deal getting out maneuvered at every turn by his own wife <music> pearson shelley maintained that with two experts providing a diagnosis of dementia shelly was empowered to remove donald from the trust ownership ownership of the clippers would then lay in shelley's hands she alone had the authority to sell the team and she exercised that authority so we had no alternative of i gave my word to steve. I have to go through with it. I don't want them to dismantle. The tea and the players didn't wanna play so i signed it. I gave them my word and as far as i knew it was done i mean that was very hard for me to do. Do i remember learning that. This is how shelley had sold the team. It was being reported. There is an agreement to sell the team for two billion dollars but no details something was up so i started asking all the big groups what was going on. They told me they'd been assured. Shelly had the authority to sell the team without donald consent that he'd been found mentally incompetent and removed from the trust. What i saw dropped. I remember sitting in my car downstairs from r._t._p. Studio in los angeles in calling the head of our news desk david craft. My hands were shaking. I typed out the story and read it back to him. Told him we now have three sources on this that i was confident was accurate curate that no one not even shelly side was denying it but i still couldn't believe it after sixty years of marriage after a lifetime lifetime of putting up with her husband's affairs and indiscretions shelly sterling was selling the team out from under him in the most painful public way by by getting him declared mentally incompetent. It was so cold blooded such a power move. I couldn't believe this little old. Lady eighty with chanel bag had an inner to do it but our old friend marlene salesman knew she did once he's declared incompetent and she's is in charge then she's chart. That was very smart on her part. I mean that was so very smart. I was going against my husband who wouldn't talk to me. My kids didn't like too much what i was doing and i didn't know if i was doing the right thing. If i thought that was the least amount of chance that we could own it. I would have stuck with it but i didn't see any chance. The team was like going to be sold at auction and they would get a piece of it or something but chill is too smart. She goes those two that last nickel in the asphalt <music> monday three fifteen pm from an outside caller. I'm leaving my name donald sterling. I'm i'm gonna have you lose your license. How dare you give my medical records for my head to a law firm. Who hired you. They hired you for the perso- funding me incompetent incompetent. I'm not incompetent your pocket incompetent you stupid conductor. How dare you donald sterling living. He called dr plots are doc despite here. Why would you give my my personal mental records to another to a lawyer for the purpose of suing me. I'm just so still excited that i'm so angry. I'm so i'm gonna call u._c._l._a. Now and i'm gonna get you fired from u._c._l._a. Because you're nothing but a tramp have your insurance company called me. My name is donald sterling and chase. You forgot to look at your bill. You see your material was addressed to a lawyer doggedly so obviously he sent me to you and you agree to conspiracy to do this. Thank you very much. Dr donald directed his lawyers to sue the n._b._a. For one billion in damages then he directed them to revoke the trust the one that shelley had already removed him from but it was too late. Donald finally realize his back was against the wall. Shelly had sold the team and indemnified the n._b._a. Against any lawsuit he brought brought against the league and other words even if donald prevailed in his one billion dollar lawsuit against the n._b._a. The sterling family trust would pay the damages pitch meant. Donald was effectively suing himself. There's only one place for him to fight and one person left for him to fight with shelley and within six weeks right after the fourth of july weekend they all ended up where everything donald and shelly eventually ends up <hes> in court so we go to trial. It's a shit show and all the way to say it. I'm not exaggerating. There's forty print reporters radio people television people and we're walking in and they're literally surrounding us and the some the cameraman are backing up like dominoes or bullying pins. One of them tripped on a trash can and knocked about three of them down. I was one of those reporters outside the courthouse. In downtown los angeles the place has seen its share big trials over the years o._j. Simpson michael jackson's doctor phil spector. This was right up there in terms of fanfare. Donald lawyers tried to argue that he wasn't mentally incapacitated. Shelly's lawyers said that was irrelevant because they had followed the trust and found to doctors who said that he was but the whole thing came down to a random piece of probate code promo code section section thirteen ten be adam streisand was steve bombers lawyer barely even knows no cases in it basically says the probate. Josh has the power to authorize the trustee to take actions to avoid imminent harm in loss to the trust even if they appeal you know shelly's lawyers. I never heard of thirteen ten b but the sounds great. He's not the only person who found that provision but that's okay. <hes> remember remember this success. Excess as many parents and failure is an orphan. This is about as exciting as probate court is ever going to get all of us. Reporters in the courtroom. Were live tweeting the play-by-play play. Why called donald i at bird stands up pierce chose bert fields a legendary entertainment lawyer with a reputation for making the most powerful men in hollywood squirm warm to question and angry and defiant donald ten minutes later. Donald was crying absolutely crying and then donald starts attacking birchfield's. What a stupid. The big question of first year law student would ask a question better than that and of course i'm sitting there loving it because this guy's on unraveling in front of the judge you taking a clearer and clearer that the terms of the two doctors was correct. Heli took them about ten minutes at one point. Shelly was leaving the stand. Donald said to her in open court get away from me. Pig and the courtroom is stunned and judge a lot of says. I want the record kurt to reflect that. Mrs stirling walked over to her husband after she left the stand. He called her a pig now. That was the news of the day. It was very sad. Okay donald just wasn't with it. He was confused. He was angered he came to court in sweat pajamas and and socks with bedroom slippers on and he just never looked good towards the end of the trial. The lawyers decided steve ballmer and donald sterling should meet so donald lawyer. Bobby's amini helped to arrange a meeting a sort of last ditch effort to help donald accept the inevitable sterling looks to him and and he's like hey you're in the computer business right and bomber says yeah i mean kind of you know and he's like what's the name your company involve chuckles in. He goes microsoft and sterling. Oh yeah yeah yeah. I know those guys you know and i tell you i watched this meeting and i heard some of the funniest things i ever heard so one point <hes> after the first hour donald tells steve bomber you know what i just. I'm curious about one thing and bombers like of course you know. Would this is the question and he looks at him and he goes you really have two billion dollars and of course first we all started cracking up right and bomber says yes and he goes. Do you have two billion dollars in cash and he goes. I have the money don't worry you know i can call the bankers and they can verify the funds and then sterling starts laughing and he looks at him he goes. That's the stupidest thing i've ever heard my life and vulnerable. Because what do you mean he goes. Why would anybody have two billion in cash like you should invest the money. Were pay off your debt right but you'd be stupid to have that kind of cash in donald sterling's still felt like he knew it all but steve balmer reflect the future of the n._b._a. Tech money and sterling was a dinosaur with outdated values like sitting there watching the change of the guard right the old guard and the new guard this just in a judge has ruled against in los angeles clippers owner donald sterling and cleared the way for the two billion dollar sale of the team to ex microsoft ceo steve bomber ruling is shelly sterling one legally by she sold the clippers to steve balmer for a record two billion dollars what had long been regarded as the laughing stock of the n._b._a. At sold for more money been any team ever had shelly sterling to questions from reporters on the steps of the courthouse after the judge gave his ruling. I want to thank everybody eddie who has helped me attorneys. They were fabulous and this is going to be a good thing for the city for the league for for my family for all of us and i just wanna thank you all. She opened up like a flower flower. That opens only once a year. I'll i want to do do now is get some sleep. I haven't slept in weeks. You mean you don't like going to court. We wanna go forward understanding outstanding that it was one woman who stood up against her husband who had the courage to go to court and she prevailed at the time. I was right there with pierce. I thought shelly really had broken with donald for good but shelly still felt like she had unfinished business. Not donald v the mistress who wanted to much took donald generosity for granted broke the rules of the mistress code. I mean he paid her life. He gave her cars put them in her name. Why would somebody try to rule. The person was so good to you. It's not that different from the way donald saws players. I support fool close and a hard gives it to them. Someone donald shelly expected a certain loyalty and gratitude from those who somehow benefited from their wealth and when she released that tape beaten just break the rules of the mistress code. She took a match to the whole thing. If you weren't supposed to flaunt the affair in front of the wife you most definitely were not supposed to flaunt it in front of the whole world. Make it the top story on the evening the news but it thrust into the public eye and she love the attention. Nobody wanted to go to the clippers. No one even knew the clippers existed until i came into the franchise omi everything studio heat and it's not only that it was prior to bring in the heat and the scandal it's more and like let's change it up list which it up and let's do this as bring chris pau listening blake griffin. I love are spending money. Let's start acting like we actually do care. Let's give l. a. a recent to look forward to basketball again and look at us now s. and i think she likes to be in the public a lot and dan as you know you could see by the visor. She was wearing an all this would happen. You know it was because she liked to be in the public eye on most most people do mcnamara was vs lawyer through all of this for her. It was just like <hes> you know. It was like aphrodisiac you know. She was just like slow. Oh happy and you know and i told the you know in this country is only last fifteen minutes in or not more than that. The media will find somebody else in the more exotic zalm than you in few months but she says i can write it for few months. The got her fifteen minutes of fame and not much more. The general public was pretty quick to forget about her but not shelly. I want shelly to know that you bought me a house. Why why don't you be hassle you all the time shelly had won her lawsuit against donald she'd come out two billion ahead but she still press forward with her lawsuit against fee for all those gifts donald had given her she was going to get her revenge on the woman who had so disrupted their lives and thanks to be she also had a whole bunch tapes. I can hide the house. We should've put it under lucy's name gene all anyone anything. No one knows who lose years but it's okay we can yes. It's been recorded. <hes> <hes> i always teach title you can always change tidal whenever i probably will because how did you and those tapes provided proof that donald v had hit the gifts from shelly in april two thousand fifteen the judge ordered visa veon oh to return two point six million dollars worth of gifts to shelley shelly one again shelly sterling as proud as she is what she did for the clippers is much prouder about what she did in the case uh and still even that was not enough shelly could not and would not let go really you're in love with i need your in love with me but here it over and over and over all the time shelly hears it over and over because she's still listened to those tapes beat him. I don't care nothing wrong for norris their fabulous. I say upset me. I listen to him all the time. Shelly sterling is in her mid eighties now she still drives herself from malibu into town several times a week town of course meaning beverly hills and when she gets into her mercedes benz station wagon she still sometimes puts those tapes on. I think it's important that you go in front of the world you care about you. Lost me you care about me. I'm your little girl. Have you little princess the way he used to tell me that i was. Why would you do that. I don't know maybe punishing myself. I wanna give you everything you understand that i would rather give you cash but that's not gonna make you happy why because you're severed your pushy and i love you so much. I want that car i want. I want a new camera. Aw when you listen to what you hear i hear this horrible person who had no nothing going in her life but the wonderful things that my husband had done for her just slap in the face. I'm sure it still stings her. The way viana caused them so much trouble. You can hear it in her voice that it does but i also suspect when she listened to those tapes. She's really trying to understand the other voice her husband's. I don't know why he did it but he did it. It all these years all these battles all these affairs v wasn't the first it's doubtful. She'll be the last and it's not clear there. She's even gone from donald's life. Shall we may be interested in y._v. Could've treated donald that way but i bet shelly is far more curious obvious about why donald treats her the way he does well. He denies everything. You know. Man denies so ghetto hello did. I want to split up my life or did you know i mean did hillary clinton. Leave bill after this big scandal. You know sometimes times you just take it. Just overlook it. I reached out to donald sterling. He wouldn't wouldn't do an interview. He hasn't done any in depth interviews since that anderson cooper sat down five years ago. Both he and shelley seem nervous about what he might say <music> says. I don't want to be interviewed anybody ever ever ever. We're all trying to get over it. Just go on from your. That's five years ago. I really believe shelly when she said she'd broken from donald. I thought for sure everything changed for them. I mean how couldn adnan half. His mistress outed him. As a racist she'd had him declared mentally incompetent and sold the team out from under him. He called her a pig in court. What kind of marriage survives all a year later. I went out to their house in malibu for a follow up piece. We did the interview in her kitchen. There were flowers on the table at the end. I ask who they were from and she said donald sent them for mother's day. Where are you in dull together. We were separated for a while and my life went on his life went on. I'm a very self sufficient person so i don't depend on a person to make me happy. I make my own happiness so how donald get you back. We were always pretty much friends. After all this has happened and we just kano over sixty years. They've become almost everything to each other. He loves shelly. How never wanted to separate from high really does love her. Who takes him to the doctor's appointment who makes sure he has his medication asian who make sure the made shows up at his house who tries to protect them from countless. Mistresses and conman is shelly. He could not live without her. I know he let me know and i'll never divorce me. It's like two people with their backs to each other holding each other up one. Let's go the other one fox. They hold each other out. Shelly sterling loves donald and i've always said on his deathbed. They will be one person person for sure next to him holding his hand and it'll be shelly she loves the guy if if you look at shelly and donald lives now how much has changed his sort of settled back into the uneasy balance that existed in for all those years before avista viana came along shelly still goes to clippers games. The only difference is donald can't and i love the games and i enjoy them and i sit. There's a nice scream and yell just like i did before go to the hoop and they're a hell of a lot richer. He's happy about selling the team now. Yes it tells a lot of people. He says you know i had to sell the team but i feel like i fell off a tree and i landed on a pile of gold old at the end of the day like they got two billion dollars so is it. A win is at a loss. I don't know but we don't have to deal with that anymore. And that's not a part of art league so for us yeah no saying rings true. You know you're so poor. All you have is your money. I mean i don't feel star for donald sterling some people. May you say he got the last laugh but autumn money in the world ain't gonna change. His reputation is reputation is destroyed. We know who he is. These made his bed and you can't take that money which hopefully that was a lesson to be learned that racism and racist mentality will not be tolerated and it's always a little uncomfortable bringing up donald sterling's name to anyone with the clippers these days they've moved on. I tried to forget ever existed or had power over them if they could. They'd write him completely out of their history. The the team changed so much under steve bomber. The league has changed so much held. The whole world has changed so much. It's hard to remember there was ever a time when an owner could heckle his players from his courtside seats or ogle them in the locker room. Things have changed. Even the term owner has gone out of fashion. Adam silver now calls them governs. 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Sterling Saga

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Sterling Saga

"Today's opening tip. He's got a new profile pic on twitter. It's him golfing with steph in the background celebrating. The teashop could've been a troll though could've a slice. Hey remember when steph did this exact celebration back in the two thousand seventeen finals if it might be a troll man. It looks like it could be a steph occur. He had a slice and he's trolling and that's that's what i if you if you have that kind of situation might wanna get a little further back into the woods well that he stayed that far because you're gonna could hit the balls. We will come back at them. Welcome to the jump. I'm brian win. Hearst alongside cowboys young tim mcmahon coming up. We'll be joined by ramona shelburne. Who is the executive executive producer. That's a very fancy title of the latest thirty for thirty podcasts the sterling affairs and marc spears from the undefeated who is featured in that podcast best. They'll tell us how how they'll tell us how the clippers chose that close to boycotting that nationally televised game with the warriors back in two thousand fourteen and that aftermath of boehner donald sterling's racist comments and you don't wanna miss that but first klay thompson tories a._c._l. Game six of the finals back in june you might sadly remember at didn't stop his dad twelve year veteran and two time champ michael thompson from setting a pretty ambitious goal for claes returned to the court michael said about klay on the warriors insider podcast right cast. He's walking normally and he's optimistic and enthusiastic about getting back late next season. I've never seen clay too enthusiastic about anything so if michael says we're getting pretty excited. Did you think that's an ambitious time line. I don't think it's necessarily ambitious brian but there's there's obviously going to be the context of the warriors now and players <music> hurrying back from injury so there may be some hesitation in that regard. I'm sure the warriors are gonna want to take an extremely slowly. Some of this may depend on where they sit right. You know if there it are bobby marx predicted. They're going to miss the playoffs <hes> if they're battling for a real. It's a really good point -sition then then then maybe klay thompson ah look we know klay thompson the reason he played in the finals for crying out loud. He's one of the most competitive players in the n._b._a. And he wanted to play and if he's sitting there on the sidelines in the warriors are in the midst of a three game losing streak. He may say look. I'm ready to go. I'm cleared medically get me back out. These <hes> futures from caesar's might that'd be a bad bet at plus nine hundred higher than your rocket out that surprise me given <hes> with rockets have on that ross ran. Obviously the the fact that klay thompson is going to miss most if not all of the season nine to twelve months. I think is pretty typical for a to return from a tornado seattle. I think the best this case scenario for the warriors is klay. Thompson can get back at some point late in the season and then be something close to his normal self once the playoffs roll around and then if he is you know they've at least got a shooters chance yeah don't don't forget they got the russell and one of the reasons why they got russell was too so that they he could have an all-star slide into that spot. Get those minutes and play those those play that role and frankly you know if russell plays to the same level. He played in brooklyn last season. We'll see how it fits along with steph. It's not unreasonable to think that they are playoff team. Even if play doesn't come back <hes> and i think we all know it's an an injury that we're very familiar with sports fans with you and we've all covered players who've come back from a._c._l.'s typically when they can get get back on the court the following year they don't return to full perform until a year sort of the second season so i'm not saying the klay won't step on the court but i think we need to manage expectations. We've seen some players sit on an entire season. Listen from it. We've seen some guys come back seven eight nine months so but it would be something brian if the warriors are like. Let's say the seven six seven seed and klay thompson is back and ready ready to go for an opening round playoff series. That would be something. It's also a motivational factor for the team. You know it's like let's let's keep in this. Is we got to be in position. When clay comes back back with the team can sort of hang onto ignored during the season so michael thompson when he's talked about klay in the past. He's frankly been pretty active talked about contract trek situation and he seems to know things like some some fathers. You know it's not always true. <hes> let's aired. Fox was apparently happy in sacramento. He told one thirty seven p._m. Dot com that's right. They love sacramento is not looking to play in a big market. Here's the quote. I don't crave to be in a big market. After in west season there was a buzz and sacramento. Everyone sacramento kings fan. If we start making the playoffs or we become a championship contender. The entire city is going to go nuts. That's that's the difference between being a big market and a small one. I appreciate a sentiment. I don't know if everybody in sacramento kings fanning the lakers. Get some chairs when they go there but do you buy what fox's selling here tim well. I look does he wanna stay in sacramento long-term if they take steps and they become a little perennial playoff team i sure that makes sense and and i do think though there is something to being the only show in town arco rena used to be an absolute madhouse when the kings will perennial playoff team in a legitimate contender now. I think you see the crowds in oklahoma city over the last decade utah. I think portland has has some of that. There is a different feel convinced he wants compared it to to a college atmosphere. When it's one show in town those do tend to be the the rowdies crowds and the best atmospheres abuse years this fear for deer and foxes thirty two thirty yeah. We'll see what he's serving years six years. I could pull up. I can pull you a list and give you about twenty-five kevin durant quotes that sound almost exactly like that and and i'm not saying that kevin durant didn't meet him at the time and darren fox most likely means exactly what he's saying but players players feel differently when when things play out when they see what happens whether it's with the coaching staff teammates. There's things that are occurring around the league. They become friends with somebody else else in the league and the way that they feel now is not necessarily the way that they feel in the future and they and that shouldn't be held against them. You know like i said you can look at kevin durant quotes where he says the same sort of things about oklahoma city and that shouldn't be necessarily held against him because people change their motivations changed. He did withdraw from team u._s._a. To focus on the playoffs and the kings being a perennial playoff team is a pretty big if considering they do have the longest postseason drought in the league a nice young core but not necessarily the most stable france some players i mean the damian lillard has said it he stood by and he has doubled down on it with portland all right. Let me say a couple things about this number one before i even said i think i really liked hearing fox's a person and i like this game and i like his attitude one. This is the time where you want to pledge your allegiance to your team because they control you and not only that he's a year away from a contract extension chen and if i were him i'd be thinking about being a max player. You want to tell the whole fan base included. I'm not saying that that's what he's doing here but it's smart business the second the thing i will say is talking to some kings players last year. They have this nice little core of young guys. <hes> bogdan bogdonovich deer and fox buddy healed marvin marvin bagley. They really believe that group is going to come together and change the future of the kings and i think that the one of the things that they want to do is they wanted to vote themselves itself to together and they sort of grow as a group so i do believe that there is some sincerity in what he's saying but it's interesting to point. Here's some interesting news out of atlanta. The hawks ziff promoted general manager travis schlink president of basketball operations and extended his contract. Which is the more important thing to me. Here's some of schlink's notable move since he took over the hawks the couple years ago of course he made that real big trade in on draft night in two thousand eighteen when he swapped the pick for luca danni rich for trae young o._u.'s trae a young girl. You've got here that and pick became cam reddish <hes> out of duke this year than this year in the draft he used to first round picks to move up to draft the andrei three hundred off the champion virginia team so you know that that pretty much is also john. Collins looks like he's a really nice. Pick also add kevin haven't heard her picked in last year's draft too so he's drafted some interesting guys. The duchess trade is a fascinating trade. <hes> trade on had a great rookie season. What do you think about what what he's done in that spot. You know what's interesting about it. Brian is that when he made the daunted straight a lot of people kind of said that's the type of move that can get you fired right yeah right and instead i. I don't know if that's the type of move that has got him. This promotion and later tables turned quite quickly. Hey young rookie of the year vote. If i may <hes> may not but i don't know but the the the point is is that look traditionally has done a tremendous job in taking an untenable situation with what the hawks had and rebuilding it quite quickly. They have assets. They have a young talent base. They're they're the type of team in the east. That cannot just be good. Maybe not this upcoming season. They'll be better but the building something would be way pierce. Their coach is built <hes> an interesting system of offense. They're they're kind of a little bit of the warriors east and so look if you don't if you don't lock people up now the name they start having a wandering eye themselves well so it. I think it's you're you're in dallas. You know that the mavericks were happy that john travis link went that direction made available to them and look. I think travis link probably probably underestimated. Just what kind of impact luca danni was going to make at the same time. Look trae young has a really really bright future. I mean i see eh a steve nash type without the without the conscience you know an analytically savvy version of steve nash i mean the shooting the passing assing he's going to be one of the best offense of creators in this league for i think for most of his career and this is a really intriguing young cordesman a complete rebuild the hawks one of the more exciting especially in the eastern conference. John collins is a incredible dunker with the lobs and and trey obviously gets red hot from the outside. They are fun team to watch. They've got shooters. They've got wings around him and they're all young kids. They've got can't be a long time. They your classic type of team where they do have to take those steps forward because if they don't then we sit here in year two year three year or four and you start wondering where's where's it come next. Isn't this what the thunder would love to be in two years. I mean they're not going to have the picks right away but in this like almost an ideal rebuild after two years without getting super duper lottery luck wasn't like they've they didn't win the lottery. They haven't gotten a top one pick. Although they got the number of the way they did it is they got bad and that's that's what a lot of people don't want acknowledge that they got bad so that they can get. They got bad and they made asset collection priority. Yeah yeah coming up. Devon booker and jono argued about double teaming and a pickup game. I going to do some analysis here. In whose side are you on. We're going to discuss that but first. Here's a distant replay from this date in two thousand six team u._s._a. Verse china in sapporo japan guys. I was at this game me me and me and about two hundred people this is when they were trying to tell us that john was seventeen years old. <hes> guys who were hoping the lakers will give them a call yeah they did have some chinese fans in gem is brought to you by geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. This is a make mislead. Some bega biz league league make some major mislead. It's a make or mislead <hes> motivated and excited play there. <hes> make denials. It's n._b._a. Block week royce. What's your favorite block ever. I think my favorite block ever is lebron. I think that's oh yeah. I feel like people forget about that when it was in the n._b._a. Finals feet the most famous whenever the one on that altay sean princeton and the you know the rodney goodell heads at the rim there the the block and that's the most impactful block in the industry with steph doing that post on that one that won't be on the got tired all that that's just disrespected two-handed grab and can you norton yeah all right miss manners. How about that mismanage. She get that some youngsters. Excuse are trying to play pick up ball and this man this man. He's he's a man. Just doesn't care get the he needs. He's shots up and he will not be told otherwise otherwise tim o. Four hoops etiquette awful etiquette and it's disrespectful to the game to have the khaki shorts. Hold up that the new balance just the whole thing is awful then like dude on video. I don't think he should be. I don't think he's ranges to the three point online. I think he needs to move it in. I i don't think basketball court gunshots is going to give them a shot so <hes> all right move it on on ooh rhythm dame. Put this video of himself up dancing by the way points for that. She named all oakland shirt royce. Who's the best dancer n._b._a. I'm not touching that brian because the two most controversial takes you can have with n._b._a. Players the who's the best dresser and who's the best dancer. I think you get less trouble if you just rank. They're playing rush out of okay so you can say whatever you want. His old dance partner campaign is back in the league yeah. Is that a good move for campaign. It'd be the diaspora purpose sure dana good dancer. There's a lot of good dancers on a lot of good dressers movement smith's defense checkup the series as a move by the soccer kid amazing basically crossovers tim was this was like for guys crossing <hes> when alan iverson cross them up yeah i mean just put put in virginia pressler pets we can't. We don't shame guys who are trying to play defense okay. We're trying to play in this guy. Just crawling on all fours respect. He's trying. He's trying to defend. I know the guilt from my way or the goalie played like almost no defense there and he got beat so i think we're gonna make fun of the golden more than a guy who's actually trying to move his feet out took switching gears but still talking about defense to devon booker so no this is a pickup season pickup game season during a pickup game <hes> he didn't appreciate getting double teamed yesterday. Take a listen to this. Tell me open to posses rome. Come over gary. Sorry bro gang government. I loved it. I think it was joking. Okay no that was calling for that call and it was <hes> tony snell by the way who came over to double. He's just following his big man. Tell them what to do. <hes> and look look. Here's booker's point highest percentage double teams face last season and this was a stunning. I mean this is sort of a commentary the rest of the suns roster right but like yeah i saw this number initially. I was like come on bro. I mean maybe it's game point what i saw that number. I was like you know what i feel him. He's tired of getting ws so you'd feel him. He's wrong because he's the hypocrite he said. I'm trying to work on my game not need to work on you. Get double more than anybody else. You need to work on playing out of a double team trying to help well. He says i get this bleep all season and he does he so work on your game work on being devon look. This is not like me showing up the rec center in plain old man you know three on three november. She rec centers. I was banned from one particular pickup game and be yeah but we don't know that's not what we're trying to get into. My point is the this is a pickup game for guys who training to prepare for an n._b._a. Season there's different rules that that the team though yeah absolutely feels to me like booker is trying to make this like there's things you don't do in pick up. You don't call charge. You don't call over the back. You don't call three seconds. There's some wearing a hoodie. He's trying to make the case. You don't double team like that and team. Let's work on our game when you get double teamed more than anybody in the league so we'll see how smart double he's in the corner. He's in some trouble. It's a smart very probably also did. He took some thirty five years yeah well. Let's see the whole game there might it has been some post on this hypocritical. Tim thanks for joining us today and here's what the jump recommends a new season of thirty thirty for thirty podcasts is available and one of the highlights gotta be highlight is a sterling affairs the rise and fall donald sterling during his ownership tenure the clippers we'll be joined by ramona mona shelbourne and marc spears to discuss it right after this break tim. You're going to the gym now. That technology truth brought to you by geico truth. Teenagers can communicate entirely in emojis. How why i'm i'm birthday party. Pizza slice kitten soccer ball pineapple truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. What are you talking about. Paperclips shoulder shrug high five wizard hat. What geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more for instance. It's hard to imagine that it was only five years ago. That donald sterling was banned from the n._b._a. It feels like a lifetime ago and audio recording allegedly of clippers owner. Donald sterling making racist remarks to his girlfriend is being investigated by the n._b._a. The statements by the fact that was clippers. Speak for themselves selves. He shouldn't own a team anymore. There's no room for that in our game if you ask anyone on the clippers about him now it's a touchy subject if they could data racist memory are- completely but there's no erasing donald sterling from the clippers history or the n._b._a. And we should want to <hes> barely got don sterling thirty plus two years in the league. We're largely a dark spot. His team became a joke but while we were busy laughing we were missing some disturbing signs. The owner seemed to take that term airy literally that made me feel well like i was a possession. You could say different agrees with like a plantation metallic that sterling had a plantation minutes out here was always the sense that he had a plantation mentality there the sexual harassment lawsuits multiple housing discrimination lawsuits and then there were donald own words. You're allowed to bam you yourself with walkie with black people on the graphical and why when t._m._z. released that disturbing tape of sterling making racist comments to his mistress. It was a shock but it wasn't a surprise. This wasn't any different than donald sterling. We'd known for decades but this was on tape and the world was changing. Even if sterling was not welcome back to the jump we are now joined by the executive producer of sterling affairs podcasts ramona shelburne and marc spears who was featured on the podcast and also recover the during the time <hes>. I listened to all five episodes of this podcast. It's a spectacular project <hes> ramona. I know that you've put in well. You covered uh-huh and you've really been working on this one way or another five years the amount of work you put it on this the amount of people that you got to go on to this one thing talk to people on the record so you need to get them to speak into a microphone about it. It's a spectacular piece. It's actually a piece of history the way i see it. What made you want to do this. Project five years on to revisit the so i remember reporting on this at the time and you sort of felt like you got dropped into a very strange movie like you couldn't make up the twists and turns and characters involved here if you try if you found a hollywood screenwriter they laugh at you. <hes> shelly sterling got her husband declared mentally incapacitated and sold the team out from under him after sixty years of marriage what kind of that really stages to the the racist comments that became public then the league banning him then the you know the the the the the team itself having to try to decide what to do about it and then they actually taking of the team away from him and this podcast covers all of those steps one clip that wanted to play from this podcast is where where doc rivers and blake discuss how close they of blake griffin how close they were boycotting a clippers playoff game against the warriors on april twenty-seventh two thousand fourteen. Let's take a listen. Listen to the clippers were right in the middle of the playoffs when t._m._z. released that donald sterling tape late on friday night april twenty fifth two thousand fourteen eighteen. You don't have to ask yourself with with black people so you don't have everyone had heard it. This was sterling's mess. Not the players and yet here was landing on their shoulders consuming assuming them even as they prepared the biggest game of their lives. Just remember at a team. We had to talk about it almost every time we met oh you know what i mean because there was that big of a thing clippers coach doc rivers try desperately not let it overshadow their drive to the n._b._a. Championship although this to win in the n._b._a. Title and we're not going to let anything stand in the way of that so so this is one of the aspects that i didn't remember until in this podcast was how important and intense discussion by boycotting and again. This is not a game in january. This was a playoff mark in this podcast. You spoke very poignantly about your feelings <hes> because you were covering that series series <hes>. Can you take us back to the way you were feeling <hes> at that time i remember <hes> deandre jordan matt barnes hearing that they didn't wanna play and doc basically telling the players. This is the game decision now his decision the players decision the warriors were ready to jump in on any boycott were in oakland california where the home of the black panthers wearing a home where everybody they're pretty much would have been on clipper side. This is a crowd that was in their favor of the world's watching this. This could have been a giancarlos. Tommy smith kind of statement so it was something that i think it was decided right before they got on the court and i remember sitting in my a seat kidding me. They're gonna play. They're going to play and i was devastated. I actually teared teared up <hes> in my presi i was done <hes> i thought the thrown out to jersey's thing and all that was pretty weak and i've talked to doc and chris paul and blake and d._j. Since big baby and they they don't have any regrets and it's their decision and i respect it but that was their time to make a historical history book statement that they let adam sober make form ramona there you could tell in the interviews and because this is audio you can actually hear hear the voices in you. You've got a very incredibly interview with shelly sterling for this podcast even though this is removed and even the clippers have done remarkably well under steve balmer and they are in a wonderful place right now and it really doesn't impact this clip organization today but the emotions that you can tell by this podcast about this event. It is still a lot of ways wrong yeah. I think if you're with the new clippers it's like they would like to pretend this never ever happened like it. Just they want to scrub the history books of this era because the bomber era is so different i mean literally credence used to force their way out of the clip organization and this summer we saw them forced their way in georgia who i leonard and so things are so different and yet there's always been this sends around the franchise ralph lawler the <hes> the longtime clippers broadcaster. We're talking about the said. I have a friend who he said you know the the clippers are never gonna win until with me earliest owner. It's like there's this karmic curse on the franchise and i didn't really believe it until i would see it up close with my eyes and i think what is hard and when you when you go back and talk hawks some of the guys on that team that two thousand fourteen that may have been there best team that was the team they really felt that could win eliminated that year by the oklahoma city thunder during a series that you covered rice so they they played they didn't boycott they played they ended up winning. That series of the warriors moved on and then lost the thunder. What do you remember about the clippers and that the clippers there's gave it away and a lot of people will remember it that chris paul you know it's a it's a game five in oklahoma city. <hes> and chris paul had critical late turnovers committed a fallon russell westbrook gave west but three of the game a lot of people might remember kevin durant sitting in the corner of the court with his back turned 'cause he couldn't even watch westbrook <hes> take the free throws and and that was kind of the low point i think for the clippers and i and i think it's a low point for chris paul's korean. It's kind of kind of stuck with them and they were spent. I mean just emotionally the toll that took on those players players. I mean you know all the players in the team that we spoke to said they couldn't ever sleep. Everybody was just blown up their phones. Everyday like jamal crawford told me the other day goes you know i got a call from q tip from thank. You guys cannot play. You can't do that like family friends. Everyone leagues and you can't play and the players to a game seven uh-huh and this is before the warriors warriors the warriors before for health so they beat the warriors in this series but it took everything out of them. I mean i remember seeing doc doc rivers at the end of that oklahoma sirius when you had this press conference. I think he said i've also gained forty pounds. During this whole thing i mean he was just he was like a civil rights leader. He took on everything and held old. That's more together in the league on the ground with protesters during this i mean what are you remember about. How dock handled it and how do you think that <hes> looking back. I'll handle it he. He took a lot a heat <hes> he took the voice for the players he did things is that he shouldn't have to do <hes> rosa. Anti rosa took off the president of team like left in just leave fired will so now he but he was when this happened he was nowhere to be found. So doc was basically driving this clipper ship that already had a lot of holes in it and one thing i do remember afterwards in the locker room talking to glenn davis and mike why why he goes what may we're. We're trying to win a championship and if we win this championship we're going to stand in a motor court and we're gonna hold the trophy up. I said no his wife is going to hold a trophy not to i <hes> and it kind of hit them when i said that i thought about it that way but if market giving them a speech before the game. I don't know if they yeah they're probably getting me because i was talking to rick welts the other day from the warriors and bob myers in the words. They were all ready to not play the warriors. Whatever whatever the clippers would have wanted to do. The warriors were right there with them so it's not like they would have forfeited but nobody knows what would have happened like what would happen if they would've just logistics of that and i i've talked about this and did you have a contingency plan here if they didn't play and his answer is such that he knew what he was going gotta do he knew what he was going to ban them for life and he was working with doc and with kevin johnson who is president of the players association at the time assuring them. Just wait for for this investigation. I'm going to be fast with this and i'm gonna come down swiftly and strongly on it ramona they had they. They dropped ball. He was going to say worldwide. I only game going on. I got a poster of my my house with the guys from the sixty eight signed by them. That is an connick moment them not being. They're not coming out. What did they never came out on this one to sixty eight olympics there supportive crowd. They're not going to pick a better place for this and oakland and if they don't play does the rest of the league play do the playoffs shut down around because i almost think players in the league lebron was writing them down ice. Adam silver had to make a powerful statement and he banned donald sterling for life within a day like did did miami play before the clippers golden state night. I don't remember but the fact that this conversation is still so tense. Eh is why this podcast. You're gonna enjoy it so much because excellent fabulous fabulous some detail talking more about this during the week but there's there's some details in there that are just amazing details that are actually kind of more uplifting <hes> which is like the negotiation that steve bomber had with shelly sterling on the it's which i don't get to give away. I want you to listen to be worked at a taco trucks. You don't notice there's a lot of great stuff mark. Thanks so much for joining us motions and <hes> you really need to listen to it especially right now. It's august. There's no basketball. This is a great opportunity to take that coming up next the lakers are reportedly holding individual workouts workouts to find your place for boogie cousins. We'll tell you which players made the cut in just a moment we have w._n._b._a. Action next tuesday and the sparks taken on lady della on the first page mystic seven p._m. On e._s._p._n. Two and now we we welcome w._n._b._a. All star and minnesota league's rookie nafisa call your she rushed over here from practice. Love that really appreciate you making the effort. Welcome to the now. Are your friends fees fee face visa. There's much. I don't know if we qualified what we'll try. <hes> twenty seven season <hes> you're doing great great putting gary numbers went to uconn. Guess <hes> what is <hes>. What's the transition been going from. <hes> power program like yukon to the w._n._b._a. Where you're doing great at certain pretty easy because because i think the programs are so similar and i think that's why they both had so much success because what they expect from their players is so high and so they get great results all right so. I know you have some gino r._e._m. At stories right. I have a couple. What's the best when you got <hes> the one that everyone likes. The most is <hes> one time. It was snowing really really hard so we didn't have a bunch of people at the game quiet and i had done something where coaches y'all got me. He's like so and everyone heard them. I was like guys keep running. Don't look don't what he's screaming my name like that. I wasn't looking at him and so everyone brings that out because everyone now one of the things that megan w._n._b._a. Is the turnaround from college the season like that very quick quick so when you're talking about the transition that you have to make what's your process of going from yukon into professional basketball <hes> <hes> you know what was really quick going from like the final four to the draft graduating coming to minnesota but those two or three weeks we have <hes> before the season is kind of where you get all your kinks out yeah. That's where you're really learning new things and especially moving to the three when i played the four before <hes> that was kind of a transition transition for me i so that's kind of where i try to figure that out so you make the transition and make the also team in your first year. The only rookie make y'all certain replacing asia wilson right. What was it like when you found out you were named that all star team and all star game in vegas with liz cambay jr who is one of the great personalities w._n._b._a. It was really fun. I was so excited when i got that call and then in <hes> being <hes> liz you know they're trying to be a point guard shooting. Those threes six eight six eight trying to be a point guard back in people up. Taking a full court is really fun. You said that <hes> i read a story the other day that you haven't been too shy about the fact you'd like to win rookie of the year. It's typically an award the number one pick wins rookie of the i think nine out of the last eleven kevin house you weren't a high draft pick. So what would it mean to to win. Rookie of the year being lowered. It would mean a lot to me. <hes> is the goal that i set for myself. Originally before the season season started <hes>. I knew that i could do it and so i'd be in great and <hes> you know so close so you're all star coach. There was bill m._b. And he made some headlines because he was really upset that they provide first class travel for the w._m._b._a. All-stars can you tell us for those of us who are involved what he's w._n._b._a. Travel really like these <hes> personally i think are we haven't had any huge problems. It's different from college because we used to charter so we'd be gone unlike right after the game you better travel at uconn than you have champion minnesota lynx but that's the reality of the current w._n._b._a. Yeah i know a lot of other teams have had problems with their travel. Getting things delayed buses breaking down things like that like i said we have had we've been really fortunate this year. We haven't had any problems like that but <hes> they think that's definitely one of the biggest things that people wanna change st change in the league so the link thirteen that's really in transition after waylon retires and how how's it's been this year trying to redo team remake this championship team yeah. I don't have anything to compare it to you because it's a first year but having only three returners i know is probably really really hard on them but they've done a great job bringing everyone under their wing making sure we know what we're doing making sure that we know what the links are about so <hes>. I think we're doing the best we cannon kannon. Do you have contact with moore. She rounded all <hes>. I haven't seen her no interesting yeah. Do you know if she's come. Do you have a sense of whether she comes back. I have no idea i i haven't talked to her. Put her on the hot seat visa. Thanks for joining us congratulations on your rookie year and have a great great finish to the season hoping coming up. We'll discuss who the lakers should replace louis cousins width you can do it can north actually yeah you get some buckets especially in the way they played. The jump is brought to you by polaris. The world leader in off road sportscenter is coming on and our earlier on e._s._p._n. After world series one of the great events on the american sports calendar i might add with sage and kevin from williamsport the latest on the cowboys and dak prescott ezekiel elliott's contract negotiations but that's all fine talked about the kids unwilling world series n._b._a. Dot com published annual rookie survey. We've got some interesting results. I forty percent of the rookie. Usefully the job marina the grizzlies will be the best playmaker. I'm in line with that. What about ramona. Oh no. I'm in line with that. You know i i everyone coming out of the draft said there were two players they felt really sure about zion and john and you know there are teams teams that could make the argument that john actually might be the more surefire rookie just because of the skill set and where he is. I believe he's gonna have the ball in his hand. Your your long run through him. He's gonna have plenty of opportunity. Terrific passer terrific great rookies were also asked who their favourite current its current the n._b._a. Is on lead lead the vote and that's surprise but also receiving votes kevin durant and steve nash <hes>. Let's talk about <hes> reading comprehension current. It's kind of cool that some dudes put those guys down. There wrote a man i get <hes>. What'd you think happened here. <hes> that's a good question brian. I don't really exactly know maybe everybody doesn't follow along with the nashes r._j. Barrett's godfather's. Maybe he just put there's is one vote. I guess i just assume that since vince carter still in the league some of these other guys are still in the league. I don't know the basketball world patiently wait to see if undrafted rookie cult favorite taco fall gets a rousing celtics. His agent told the boston globe quote if the celtics released them. I don't think he goes unclaimed. I happen to agree <hes> ramona. If taco doesn't stick with boston what team find a spot that's interesting because you know from a marketing <unk> perspective like you can obviously. I don't want to say tell that but that really is <hes> but luke centers the n._b._a. V._a. have gotten lost their jobs over the last three or four years. I mean just look at some of the guys that are unsigned right now and the choices that the lakers actually have right now and they're trying to replace boogie because i will give him a shot young. He's a project but unless you're at now than i would've been for years ago. It's got to be some team. Who's got a development spot who can just put them there. The lakers were having developed spots right now so but they are taking the next step in finding a replacement for boogie cousins. A woche tweeted that the lakers will hold individual workouts here in l._a. To evaluate joke him noah dwight howard and mo speights this week another consideration according to could be martian gortari who's currently oversees. The lakers are looking to see the physical condition my guys ramona. You see these guys as a good fit. Yeah looks at everything. I actually think they're gonna take their time with this one <hes> they they don't have to do anything they're still the andrea guede olive it all that i think a lot of shows are watching <hes> <hes> and and they don't have to make this choice right this minute unless there's somebody that they really feel like they want and will not be there for them later because we've all talked about like the center position in the n._b._a. Is sort of an endangered species right now and there's a lot. There's a lot of guys for not as many jobs anymore so unless you feel like you've just gotta have dwight howard or you've got to have jokin noah and they won't be there for you. At the end of training camp and you can work you can make this decision in a better with more information like these names make sense but royce like these guys are all like in their thirties and like most faiths <unk> champion. I have nothing bad to say but anybody but like. I just think that the lakers need a live body they need. They need somebody to come in and soak up minute. Tots not a bad fit though yeah. It's one of these things you ask yourself brian. How much do they have left. How healthy can they stay because the lakers don't wanna bring somebody in that. They're getting you know two games a month out of gortex known as one of the best screeners in the he's physical solid pick and roll player to me. He's he's. He can cheat a little bit from the mid range. He's they play with a good reputation and again. It's about his health gore. Todd is totally a victim of the n._b._a. If this was ten years ago he would have a multi year contract. I don't think i think it's because he can't play the other guys are on the fringe because they were got the n._b._a. Because of injuries are are you know just age. You made the case still yesterday today about the lakers need to look young for this position and you but you don't have the developmental spots. You're thinking young that can play which name jonathan williams who who came in last last year in place in some time that's who did pretty well for them in young and but you know the the spot that they have open right now is an interesting one because i think jail l. mcgee's get a start at center clear. That was the idea even when they signed boogie cousins. I think that was part of the discussion which avail in coming back with your money it's real money <hes> but boogie was gonna play a lot and they were counting on him offensively so this isn't just a spot that you i just need a live body. You can give you. They were counting on that spot so there's other options but let's play a quick edition of something nothing ever in the clippers coaching staff ramona so is this something nothing or everything i'm going to go with something and i almost wanted to say everything wow because i am so here for a lakers clippers rivalry we have not had a true rivalry revelry between these two franchises. Maybe ever i mean there was a time when they were both pretty good. We almost had a hallway series k. and then was like two thousand seven there is there was like i actually had stories that were ready to go and then unearth them. Yeah nope those stories today. I'm so oh here for that there was there was a couple of moments where they were good at the same time over the last decade but they never played each other. There never was that true rivalry and now we start having these storylines elaine's like tyler linked up into two rival was spurned by the lakers is now back with the clippers in a fun talking about tie is taco. Just sidelines really made. I think five six million bucks. He took this job because he takes a step down. You know you know it really limits. Maybe what he can do during the season prepare for next year. I think this is just really tie wanting to be part of the slip organization. I think it's a vote the confidence and the clippers and as you guys know tie is very well respected and well and also he has a close relationship with doc rivers remember. He had this role before he got the cavs job yeah so he went from he went from being issues with thai undocking no like those guys are really close. Doc helped launch him as a coach in this league and he's one of his proteges regimes and so. I think that that's really the draw here but you know the lakers in their salary negotiations. One of the main points was you know. Did he have offers from elsewhere. It's a demand that eight million dollars and it's taking less and this just in at the buzzer according to people magazine the westbrook has launched a westbrook <hes> <hes> west brown's brownstein green tech program sorry reaching a teaching skills at at risk inner city kids here in l._a. The program will train train students and careers by coating computer literacy computer engineering royce. You've known westbrook for a long time. What is this charity well. He's one of the most philanthropic players in the n._b._a. He's got his reading room. He's i think he won the community assist award once <hes>. It's really nothing new for for russell westbrook. He's one of the players that is as active as any player. There is is in both the community that he's playing with was oklahoma city which will be houston and where he's from which is los angeles. He's he's very active everywhere. He goes yeah well <hes> he could teach coding waiting to teach them how to make dunking video games <hes> thanks royston ramona and marc spears and the free so call your and tim mcmahon and all our other guests the jump is back tomorrow and we will see you then until then we're going to debate <hes> who should be the lakers center and you should be listening to the new podcast dot com.

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Sterling K. Brown

Sunday Sitdown with Willie Geist

1:01:08 hr | 7 months ago

Sterling K. Brown

"Hey Guys Willie geist here with another episode of The Sunday. Sit Down podcast. My thanks as always for clicking and listening along with US my guest. This week is another good one. I think actor Sterling K. Brown you know of course as one of the stars of the hit. Nbc Show. The people have to watch with a full box of tissues. This is us the tear jerker now in its fourth season. An amazing cast of which Sterling K. Brown is an Emmy and Golden Globe winning member joining me now is always the producer of this fine podcast and the producer of these sterling k. Brown interview for this week Maggie Law. Hey Maggie before we get to the important business of this interview the more important. It's more important as we spoke last. Maggie law is engaged. Get Nice yes. My eyes are blind reflection in this fluorescent lights. Thank you so much thank you. Thank you like me yet your fiance for one hundred years. One hundred Actually ten we met at a boarding school and we've been dating since the end of junior year of high school. Yeah so so. We share that. Yes beginning junior in high school right. We did it for a long time. Broke up a little while a little break and then we found each other again. But we'll say we did not have a little break ten years strong and here we are. I'm telling you deep roots are good for the marriage. Graduation Cam very excited. And let's talk about our interview Sterling K. Brown is a guide. Met a couple times. Didn't know well had really high hopes for the interviews faced on what I know of them is being sort of Like a smart interesting guy but also the serve electric speaker and presents and I have to say. He exceeded everything for electric. I think it's a way to say it. He really I feel like he brought it to the interview. And just the nicest guy you just love when you meet them and they're just so nice and they say everybody in the room just like there too. I feel like he really brought it to the one of those people. You hope they'll be who you think. They actually was. He I think part of that is is that he's earned his place. We talk a lot about this in an interview. He was sort of on this. Thirteen year grind small roles. Tv He says. Look I was happy. Acting was paying the bills. I bought a house but hadn't had that sort of big break in Hollywood and then in the fall of two thousand sixteen along comes people that was rising he'll he won the emmy for that right people versus Oj Simpson. We played Johnny Cochran. That was earlier in two thousand sixteen and then shortly after this is US comes up. That's it really was the crazy thing for. I think now things are stupid good. She's always good now. They're stupid again. A little background for people. I know you like to paint a picture in your mind as you listened to these interviews of where we are where a place called the Public Theater. New York City of famous famous place that so many of the actors adventure to say every famous actor you know has played a part there or started there in New York City. And we're upstairs in the library there. Yeah Sterling actually sweat. He asked to do the interview. It's one of his favorite spots. He went to Grad school at Nyu so right nearby and he said when he was in school there every dreamed of performing at the public at some point. You always wanted to do Shakespeare in the park and everything like that. Eventually he got to do a show there. I think twenty fourteen and so he requested to it there. That was great spot. And then you'll hear later we get up walk around a little bit in Washington Square and very cool moments of a place. He used to walk around dreaming of being somebody right in that business. He draws the crowds. We walk in the park and boom flies. Honey came on to Sterling K. Brown all those. This is US fans. His new film is called waves. It's a lot about fatherhood. He's Kinda Domineering Dad. In this movie he lost his own father in real life at the age of ten To me it was the best moment of the interview. You can listen and see if you agree when he started just going into the story of the day and I will say I in an interview setting. It's hard to sometimes because the lights and there's people around to get lost in the emotion. It was as emotional as I remember viewing really. You're really feeling it that moment. He was so first of all. I'm just grateful that anyone would share such a personal story. Really has that with me Of the day his father died and he was ten years old. I have a ten year old son. I think part of that hit me ask. What would it be like if I left my ten year? Old Son An unexpectedly in in such a sudden way and he remembers every detail the day in. He volunteered it. You know. It's not something I would ask him to describe because it is so traumatic man. Did he go there? Yeah he did. It was really emotional. But it felt special that he was able to share with you and significant. Because it's how he tapped into characters in waves but also in this awesome us. Yeah Cathartic moment for him able to sort of say goodbye to his dad in a way. Okay we've described the interview. Just let Sterling K. Brown tell the story himself Sterling K. Brown right now on the Sunday. Sit Down podcast sterling. Thanks for doing this great to see you got a Lotta history to talk about you in this neighborhood. You in this theater stomping grounds dude. I went to Nyu from ninety eight two. Oh one I lived one astor place right around the corner and so the public was this fixture like this beacon of when we get out of school. Maybe we'll get a chance to work at the public. Maybe we'll get a chance to do Shakespeare in the park and got a chance to work here on a couple of occasions and it's been magical every time I was telling you I've interviewed a number of actors who said I want to do the interview at the Public Theater at. What is it about this place that so special for people who don't even know about? There's all these people that come through here right so you know like Meryl Streep is done Shakespeare in the park Leeann have like you said I seen him do Hamlet You see all these actors whose careers you want to emulate and they could be off doing all these fancy movies and TV shows etc but they take time to make sure that that muscle of being able to tread the boards never atrophies because they care about the art of illuminating the human condition and that sort of what was embedded in my fiber at Grad school at Nyu. And so. It's something that I keep coming back to over and over again. I mean you look at the faces on that wall. It's every major actor you've ever heard of. It's kind of stupid. They've all been here all of them and you too So we'll talk more about that but I said we were walking in here. It's the highest compliment. I could pay an actor as I didn't know where to begin with you. You have so much going on right now. But let's start with the film waves. Yeah which is unique and different than anything. I've seen it tells a beautiful story and it really uses music. Well how do you describe this project when you first read it? Did you get what they were going for? That's that's a good question it's hard. It's complicated it is complicated. Because it's a hard movie to describe the people. It's a family drama that focuses more on the children of this family. It's an African American family. Mother Father Son and a daughter and the first half of the movie. Sorta is the sun's half the movie and the second half of the movie you kind of shift narratives and it becomes the daughter's journey. There's a major tragedy that happens in the midpoint. I'm not gonNA give away But it also is sort of shows how a family deals with grief loss and how you keep moving forward with with grace and with love In the music is huge. Even like I said in the script their music cues laid into the script. So you press a button. Listen to a song as you read the scene Our director writer Trey Atwood Schultz. Had something very specific in mind in the movies autobiographical? I should say and then leaps into narrative fiction and then back autobiography and then to narrative fiction. Because I say that because he is white right and the movie focuses on an African American family but because he hired Calvin Harrison junior to play the role of the son in the family because they worked on a film before it comes at night they sort of collaborate and said like. Tell me something about your childhood about your father about what it was like for you to grow up in New Orleans etc and so they combined their narratives and came up with the story together and it was a real collaboration from the onset And I think we came up with something special. It is unique. It's unlike anything I've seen before you're a good position in your career where you can get a script and sort of decide whether or not it's something that's worth all the time that you put into a role. What was it about this story that jumped off the page to you okay? So I was shooting. This is us at the time and my agent. My manager read the script and he said we think this is pretty special. I was like guys like I got a job on the show. And they're like yeah but check it out. If you like it maybe we can make it work. First and foremost it was something completely different than Randall. Pearson whom I love and Adore. But now that you have the opportunity to not be locked into one character and to be known solely for that character. I try to take advantage of those opportunities whenever they are offered to me now to keep going with that point about ten years ago there wasn't the same sort of fluidity between film and Television. Right and now that it exists. It's like I'm kidding. Candy store on jump around and play and as many sandboxes as I can This guy was is a father in in waves who is very much present For his family but is a hard man not the easiest father to get along with. And so what? I enjoy the challenge of inhabiting people who aren't readily likable. But who are humane. Who are good and my goal is not to be liked but to be understood so I enjoy the challenge of finding someone who people be like. I don't know if I like this dude. But trying to find his heart and I think the character has a really beautiful journey without giving too much away. I think he recognizes by the end of the film. That the way that he is in the beginning didn't elicit the results that he was looking for so that there is a strength invulnerability that he has to access in order to continue going with his family because of the heartbreak he suffers. We won't give away to look at himself again and say exacted. I have some role in this. Yes did you bring any of your own parenting? You've got two boys due to this role I imagine it's hard in some ways to separate the way you act as a dad and the way you raise your children from a character do bring some of yourself to it. I think I bring myself to every character. I play Different parts of yourself. Come out with different characters. Randall is adorable elites sweet and I think I have a sweetness to me And then there's an edge to me as well Please ask my wife when you get a chance to be like. Oh Yeah he's got their times which my son plays flag football and soccer right now right and I'll catch myself just barking on the side that dad. I can be Willie at times that dad but I do it with the hopes of trying to instruct right and there are times when she takes instruction their times he'll stop in the middle of the game and he'd be like can you please be quiet and I'll be like my bad my bad bring it down but like we have a dialogue. I think that's the good thing about it. I came here when I go too far right. And he's like I need you to press pause. I got you backing up right now. There's another layer to that too. Which is the other parents looking at sterling k? Brown barking every once in a while but most of the other parents barking right. Okay with me all right. Yeah Yeah so you're not alone not alone. You talked about this being filmed about loss. Clearly it is grieving You had that in your own family. Obviously when you were a young boy at ten years old on the other side of it. How much of that did you bring to this part I? The whole dynamic of fathers and sons is one that resonates with me and is resonating really strong right now. My Dad was forty five when he passed away and I was ten and I'm forty three now and I think I knew that that was young when I was a child but now that I'm two years away from that age I'd I know beyond a shadow of doubt that it's painfully young. And so I I have this desire to sort of carry the old man around with me and infuse him into a lot of the things that I do. Especially right now. Because he's just very very in the forefront of my consciousness and I saw this relationship between a father and the son on the page and it it's not a perfect relationship and I think there's parts of it that allow me when you step into somebody who is imperfect you may have been judging them their imperfection as if you are perfect and they should be perfect like you but step inside them in you recognize. None of us are perfect and truly believed that all of us do the best that we know how to until we know how to do better. And so there's a part of me that was actually able to forgive aspects of my dad aspects of other men in my family who were paternal figures because I recognize that the love didn't always feel loving but it was love on the less. I know exactly what you mean about the age because when you were ten years old and your dad was so young forty five. He's still felt like a grown man. Okay maybe that's when people died but when you reach the age you and I are about the same age you go wait a minute. No that wasn't fair not at all. Yeah not all the way to sue way too soon way too sad and I remember. I was the first time I ever saw my mom cry. Because she wasn't a crier I remember like really specific. Things Waking up that morning going into the kitchen and my mom being on the phone calling the paramedics and ask them meet a put clothes on my dad because he was naked in the bed and his body was stiff stiff as a board and I tried to pull unaware up on him. It was uncomfortable for me. I was uncomfortable for him. He says go get your mom. Go Utah I go back to the kitchen. Mommy wants you and she got mad at me for not doing what she wanted but she gets him dressed the paramedics come in and they carry them out and we have a split level house after. Go down the steps to get to the front door. And as they're carrying them out on a stretcher he looks at me over the railing any wings wings came out the door. Last time I saw last time I saw will say this about Sterling Brown Junior. He filled me up with so much. Love Willie I was his only son. My mom has to other biological children from her first marriage and I have an adopted brother and sister who when I got twenty five. She's like well. I guess I should start all over again and got a six month old and then my little sister is about a year and a half younger than my little brother. But so I was my dad's kid. Yeah right by our his boy and we were tight like I like football because my dad likes football. I Like Boxing. Because my dad likes boxing. I Love Movies and Television because my dad loves movies and television and we would watch movies for hours. It was the beginning of. Don't tell mommy watching this. You know what I'm saying. He would watch things that we're completely and totally inappropriate. But I would watch. Now I would see the joy that he would derive from it and the joy that our derived from it. And maybe on a subconscious level would be like man. How cool would it be to bring that kind of joy to lots of people because it was transported for both of us and so while the time was short? It was everything that I could have hoped for for ten years. Either ten-year-old son right now and so the idea of being separated from him leaving him. That quickly with a wink is unthinkable to me. Do you ever think it's unfair. You talk with such love and joy and you find a blessing in it. Sure that it led you to the career you found in succeeded in. Was there a time though where it made you angry? Oh yeah there's a time I think so from ten to sixteen. I DID NOT GRIEVE. My father's death right. I didn't think that I could cry. I thought that had to be the man of the House. Like mom is crying. I gotTa keep it together is also growing up Christian believing that he was in a better place. Maybe they'd like he'd been sort of unhappy. He lost his job. As a grocery store clerk kroger stores and have been laid off for a few months and I could see learn valuable life lesson what I do and who I am are two separate and distinct distinct things and I have to know who I am first and foremost because of I'm ever taken away. My my job is ever taken away from me. I still need to know my own personal value right and I saw his value just decline and his in his own eyes and his sense of self worth right but so that's six years ago. He's in a better place and you know he doesn't have to be in pain anymore. And then I turned fifteen sixteen. I just blew. Who'd I can't even really explain? It like grief works in funny ways but I just balled and I missed him and I I was acting and I was playing varsity football. And he's like two of his favorite things and he wasn't getting the chance to experience his boy do these things that he loved so much. I felt the loss riding. And that's when because I went by shelby right until I was sixteen and I was just like no. It's time to be sterling. It's it's time to hear that name again because when people call me by that name I get a chance to carry a piece of him with me so there was a period. But I'm a true believer that all things work for good and everything happens for a reason. There's a lesson in at all if you look for it right. Circumstances don't define us but our reaction to those circumstances is what matters and so I'm I just take the black and Brown. I said I had ten good years and I WANNA make sure that my kids have more. You know what I mean. I WANNA make sure. My kids are eight and four. So he's just two years away so I feel like the template for fatherhood I kind of got it for the next two years and then after that I'm in a whole new territory right. We never had sex talks or anything like that so those things are going to be coming down on all right. I'll just be making it up as I go listen. I saw the pictures of men's health. I don't think you're going anywhere anytime soon. You I love the moment when you won your emmy to and you've got to stand on the stage and say some of the things you just said to me to the World About Your Dad. What did that feel like knowing that he in some way inspired you to get to that place where you ended up like? That's a it's a magical view that not too many people get to take a stand on stage and it reminded me of this year. Darrell Jerome One. Best lead actor in limited series. Had everybody stood up and applauded for because his performance outstanding and I don't know if I was outstanding or not but people stood up and it was this overwhelming moment of like. Wow you guys see me as like belonging as being worthy To be embraced by your peers in that way was really sort of overwhelming moment but to get a chance to share him and mom with the world. Yeah Yeah it's cool and and then also too. I know he sought right like I know he was there and he was very very happy. There's no question. Yeah as he sat and watched those movies with you that he didn't much tell your mom you were watching you said. Imagine you'd be one of those people I remember. We want terminator. I was like turn. Isn't that part of fatherhood than my dad? When I was nine took me see Beverly Hills cop? I remember sitting there going. You should be watching. This is just A. That's it don't repeat any of these words this. I also don't think people realize because you came into most people's lives about three years ago four years ago if you go back to Oj. How long you've been working to get to this. Point had thirteen years to get to the place where you were standing on that stage and you were grinding. You're out you're famous. Shows shook but he didn't have the lead in the show notes. Was there ever a point those thirteen years? Where you said yourself. I don't know if I'm going to end up where I thought I was going to end up all right. So is his an anecdote. I did my first series regular was on. Fx Show called starved right and it started the same year as it's always sunny in Philadelphia. They both have seasons like seven episodes of peace as about Belichick A group of People with eating disorders and New York City and I played it. Belichick New York City Cop who had pullover bicycle delivery people on trumped up traffic charges. Still their food is compensation and then binge and purge right one time. I threw up that I was by myself on a pile of garbage and there was a homeless man sleeping in the garbage and I told him to get a real house. Don't know why it didn't last anyways. Is that a comedy was. It was definitely and so my mom. My mom watched the pilot and I said this is a good Christian soldier. Now you gotta understand. I said I appreciate you watching the pilot. If you don't WanNa Watch anymore I understand and my mother touched my name and she said thank you. I have out as quickly as she could right. So the show goes it's seven episodes. We don't get renewed but always sunny in Philadelphia my man Charlie Day and all those guys go on for like fifteen sixteen season. Yeah crazy we finish the show and my mom goes D. Do you WanNa come home now. I said my I was just a series where I go on a TV show. And she's like. Yeah but that's showing Ed. So she wanted me to turn it in because she didn't think it was gonNA work out. She had expectations as parents often. Do sure right I graduated from. Nyu Gone to Stanford University for Undergrad. And my Grad School I say God. We spent a lot of money on this degree right. I know there's no guarantees on things working out in any particular way. Can I please pay my bill by bills by doing what it is that I love? If I can do that I call it a wash good. I have paid my bills doing nothing other than act since I graduated from school right and everybody has a very different path. There's temp jobs and different kinds of day jobs bartending catering etc etc. I've been blessed to be able to tell stories to pay my bill so that first thirteen years in change laboring in obscurity was fantastic. I paid off my student loans right. I bought a house I had a son I was married like things were good. And then this last four years things have been do bigger so it's not like. I ever anticipate at this moment to happen right but thirteen years with what I thought it was going to be. And that was success right to be able to work at what you love that success. This is just gravy like delicious gravy. I had a great biscuit now into sobbing. Sobbing at is just a stupid good. You were happy with good. You didn't even need stupid good though. I was my first job out of school so I moved up to Harlem and now a New York for nine eleven living in Harlem and a four story walkup and the water pressure got worse. The higher up you went in the building and so I took a shower. Which was a shared shower for the a. Lotta shower in my apartment right. There's three apartments on the hall. That all shared a shower. A sketch right and the water pressure was so bad. I had to move my body around this to get my whole body. Wet Right this furnished room which had one window and I had my little green fan. Everybody knows the little. Oh Yeah I would lay down on top of the bed and my birthday suit does not pornographic I would lay in my birthday suit because it was so hot the summer of one I would get up. There would be a perfect sweat. Imprint of my body on top of the sheep like I would ride the bus up and down one hundred twenty fifth just for a right this real right but the room cost eighty five dollars a week and my first job was at the classical stage company. For Kafka's short story turned operatic called in the penal colony right. It was directed by Joanna Colitis with original music by Philip. Glass and I didn't speak in this role. It was a movement thing right. Just did choreography taking care of this prisoner right. I made three hundred dollars a week for this GIG. I cleared to fifteen. And you couldn't tell me I was doing the Duke Man. I was in New York City as a working actor and I could not have been happier and it's interesting because I think about that time and I've been experienced so much more success and life is incredibly fulfilling right now but Mike pure joy points. I don't know if I've ever been happy. It's interesting too. Don't you think there's something about earning over those thirteen years where you ended up? I was thinking as you were talking. I interviewed Orlando Bloom about a month or so like this. He graduated from college and the next day was on the set of Lord of the Rings and he didn't have that between and he talked about having to sort of go back and do theater and learn how to become a good actor. You had all that training and it was almost like this last four years. Have been reward for all that work and that apartment you lived in uptown it. It feels good like and it also feels very much appreciated. Yes you know because you know that those moments don't come around like this last four years to be able to go from. Oj To this is us like. It doesn't happen like that for a lot of people and it doesn't happen with great frequency. I'm incredibly appreciative. Of this moment I know so many talented people that don't receive this moment so no. It's not a pure meritocracy. You know what I'm saying like preparation meets opportunity. That is luck right but you have to be prepared for it and you have to be presented the opportunity and I got that and then things changed. So what was the moment for you when things change was it the acclaim you've got for the People vs. Oj Simpson. Was that the first big pop or was it before that or was it. This is us. When did you start to feel like okay? Things are changing for me here I would say onset of. Oj Okay We would have the editor would come up to Sarah Paulson and myself and be like you guys are cutting together really nice. Got Some serious chemistry. Thanks Buddy Pretty Shannon graduate enjoying it and then the producers would be like Brown. Just keep doing what you're doing you becoming the height of the series house guys. Chris dying like nobody likes but he's like no no no for real just trust us and I was like okay. I'll keep doing it and I remember going home one day and my wife was giving me a hard time because she wanted to go work out and I was trying to work on my lines and can be come. Sort of Obsessive I go into the garage and disliked. Lock myself for hours. I just work and work hitting tie feel like get into a place where I WANNA present it to people. And she's like I need you to come watch these kids. You still father. I know I am but I'm trying to accomplish all right. 'cause I don't lose my temper that often and so she saw that like I was really trying to focus. I I knew something special was in the ether. You know what I mean and when we finished shooting as like I know I've watched some wonderful performances. I I've sat across from Courtney. I've sat across from Sarah as I know that these are wonderful performances if I happen to be in there and their range maybe something could come from this right so as we started to get towards the end and I remember Brad Simpson one of our producers. Came Up to me is. Don't take another job until after the first six episodes. Come right like really. He's like trust me. I'd already booked US already. Got A job but but that was. That was a special moment because not only. Do you feel the confidence of people. Sort of knowing your work before you. Sorta re- proving yourself with each job. Like each job's not leading to like the next great job is just like job job job and it's not like a steps that I go up right after. Oj It it was like steps and it was like people saying what do you want do. How can we be in partnership with you and you're like me after? Like just waiting for people like please them have small like all of a sudden they like. We want to work with you and you decide. It's crazy and that's a crazy thing because you spent thirteen years having to prove yourself in every room you walked into. Yeah and now. There's just happy that she showed up in the room with them and they're trying to get you to do their show. Yeah and is it true that on the set of Oj? You were working through. This is US already like getting that audition ready because you knew that could be something special to yeah I was I was I told Paulson I said I think I found the next job. As he's like you want this. I was like yeah. She's like okay right so we'd be sitting at the prosecution table and I'd be reading the script and looking at Randall's monologue and the pilot when he goes and he costs his father and I was like Ooh this writing is really good and you don't come across a lot of network television shows where the riding pops off the page and grabs you but fogelman has a way of grabbing you with his words and so I went into auditions took for meeting with him and I got to gust because I love crazy stupid. Love my wife and I is one of my favorite romantic comedies. And so I- gushed and he's like yeah. Tell us when you're ready for a year. You know. Come in when you're ready. I was like okay psyched prepared and I came in and it went really really well and this is like the room was rooting for you. You know the room doesn't always root for you in my history my experience. But now there's new thing this intangible thing called Buzz you always look at people like how did they get that buzz like where does it come from? And then all of a sudden you have buzz. And it's it's cool. It feels good. You can feel it when you walk into a room and you can feel the energy shift in such a way that I can't wait to see what sterling's going to do Rather than Obama. Who Right you know what I'm saying like it makes a huge difference and so you get the part obviously famously. What do you think it is about? This is us that has so connected with people now in its fourth season the hope of the goodness. That's the word you've used a private family. All those things come together. Why do you think is connected the way it has? It has because we're disconnected. I think we as a society of various sort of bifurcated divisive like. It's very hard to have a conversation with people that doesn't frequently lead to an argument Talking about politics or talking about just the state of the world you know and this show is something that I think whether you're in a blue state red-state whatever your religious affiliation like people know recognize and appreciate the importance of family and the show is about family. So it's like we get a chance to put our side our differences for an hour every Tuesday for about eighteen weeks out of the year. And it's not about US versus them. It's this is us right. And I feel like people sort of defend themselves consciously unconsciously about like being attacked or being sort of putting the box and a certain kind of way now folks just feel sort of like collectively they get to enjoy the experience of this Pearson family and we go through so much. We go through adoption. We go through anxiety where you go through dealing with obesity. We deal with so many different topics that people see themselves and one or all of us in varying degrees. I think there's a certain kind of reassurance and knowing that you're not doing it alone right like hey. Randall understands what I'm going through there. Maybe not so bad. You Know Kate and Kevin Get. It is not so bad It takes away the isolation and you brings us together. I was shown a beautiful brings people together. There's no question about it but there are a lot of shows that attempt to do that. Sure right yeah. There's just something different about and I think you're right. There's somebody on the show that everybody can relate to that. He's like me she's like me. I've been through that thing and there's also at the heart of it loss. Yeah they're again. They're shows up again. Was that something you were able to tap into this show as well absolutely. Yeah I mean yeah absolutely you know. Rando has two dads that he's lost. Yeah and with William in particular of my biological father a soon as I saw a new story arc was going to be. It's sort of presented me with an opportunity that I didn't have when I was ten and I was an opportunity to say goodbye to be present at the crossing over of of my father founded Strangely Cathartic Right Ron Safest Jones who is a brilliant brilliant actor from New York City who has worked at this theater as well and a beautiful soul. It was a joy to play with him and sort of the parallels between Randall in Sterling. I was able to access in a real direct way. I with regards to saying goodbye to William as kind of like Megan the chance to say. Goodbye Sterling Brown Junior And some things just meant to be. I was meant to be random you know. I'm sure other people would have done a wonderful job with it right. That's what I'm saying like I'm the it was just meant for me. It's impossible to imagine anyone else there. Now obviously yeah. Yeah so I. It's it's cool to catch you in this moment where things are going so well for you. I'm curious how you're handling on the celebrity front your wife how she handling it when you're on the cover of magazines and everybody knows you walking down the street and I imagine we talked about your acting foundation the foundation of your relationship that she's known you long before you were the game Brown Odell celebrity. So how are you handling that as a couple and a family one day at a time art? It's interesting Celebrity is interesting. Even using the word is difficult. Yes right and it's like I like. Yeah I guess so right. I think of myself as an actor and and because of what I've been able to accomplish as an actor. I I've gained celebrity Nothing kills peripheral vision quicker than celebrity and what I mean by. That is new. York City is one of the great places in this world to people. Watch right so many different people at Necessities Race Creed. Color Etcetera Etcetera. And you just watch fascinating people all the time until everybody's watching you and then you get bloop. Right I'VE PUT ON HOODS. I've put on hats and it's not because I feel ungracious. Or or anything like that but you still a regular human being trying to accomplish things through your day right and no one knows that like no one sees you as a regular human being anymore. They're just like oh right not so much in New York in La but it still happens. Yeah right in Middle America and Saint Louis where I'm from Alabama. It's hard to go to the mall like it's hard to go to the mall and so there is a fight for normalcy for me in particular for my children right so I had to establish a couple of things no longer take pictures when I'm with my family One day I was at church and some people were really big fans of the show. They started queuing up. Can we take picture? Yeah yeah sure no problem. No problem as Andrew. My oldest. I said. Would you hold Daddy's jacket? Andrew took my jacket through it on the ground stomped on it and I was a boy. Did I do something like what's going on? He goes well. You just stop doing what you're doing with me so you can take pictures with these people so. I guess they're more important strangers. Yeah and I was like Lord have mercy. This kid hits you like people underestimate the intelligence of children on an emotional intelligence level. Oh yeah because they know what's going on. I said I will never do it again. He's like whatever say the picture I was like. No I won't do it again so the next time that we were together we were getting off a plane and these really nice people were like. Yeah we didn't bother you on the plane for a really big fans of the show. I took a picture. I sat cy. I'm with my family and when I'm with my family I don't take pictures. Could you take a handshake hugging stat? And they were really cool and my son looked at me and he said he remembered. I said I got your back. Brown like you deserve all the things that I had as a child that you take for granted being able to go to a park and kick it with your dad right. Every kid is entitled to that with out their dad being the center of Focus. Right right and so you find the balance you like. Hey Nice to meet you. Thank you for the love. I appreciate you WANNA give back to my kids right. It's interesting. My wife is much more gracious. Because she's a Thespian as well and so she's she's she lives and she looks people like Benadryl. Even though I think you this nice dude you all this. And all that America's daddy they don't even know and I'm like I know I tried to tell them but they will believe public unwanted. Here's who he really is already has but it is. I don't know what I thought it was going to feel like. I'm the dude who likes to go to the VON's and the tea and to trader Joe's or whole foods or whatever and do my shopping and I still do I fight for it right and what it means. Is I knowledge you I see and I say thank you and I just try to keep it voted. That's right you know what I'm saying. Sometimes I'll put on headphones. Just the black things out a little bit have had people like tap on my headphone. Who how out of it? No touching right people will grab Scher especially because you come into their homes and they feel like they know you right and it's like I get it I'm not I'm never ungracious. Because I do know what. It's like to meet someone that you're fan of and they blow you off and it's the worst feeling and I'm not GonNa put that on anybody so it's my responsibility to be as cordial as I can't in the moment right and also to get back to my family. I think that's a good way to handle it. Yeah find that balance one of the great things about being the position you're in now is your production company. Yes that you get to take stories and lift up people who may not otherwise have a platform or voice. Why is that been so important to you? Very few people are afforded the opportunity to start a production company. You know it's not like I'm GonNa Start Right like there's there's opportunities that are presented to you and you feel obliged to take advantage of them because you know how much help was needed in order for you to get to where you are right and if I can make it easier for someone else coming up behind me to get their story out there we complain about. Diversity is an actor have been like how come there's not more roles for black men Black Women Etcetera Etcetera now? The way in which you saw that and fix that is you have to have as many storytellers behind the camera. Putting those stories out there right so it's not about just what's happening in front of the cameras. What's happening behind the cameras? Well and if I really have a problem with diversity in Hollywood and I have an opportunity to be a part of the solution. Then it's my obligation to take advantage of that opportunity right so my production company Indian meadows is named after my neighborhood in Saint Louis Missouri. Were Working Class African American neighborhood where I came from and that carry with me everywhere that I go and an order to for me be successful like I can never experience that disconnect. I feel like some people win. They've become celebrities sort of be like all right now. It's time for me to be a new person right as the person I am as the person who got me here like my sort of accessibility. I like people like I really like people and just because people sometimes can kinda bombard me. I was like I get it there. There've been sweeter whatnot but I still like you. I still love you so I gotta hold onto that. So naming the company would I named. It just reminds me like this is who you are. This is where you came from. Don't forget don't forget in terms of the stories that I wanNa Tau of marginalized people that are sort of relegated to the sidelines. Sometimes but it's changing right and we sing more people of Color Front and center More Minorities Front and center. I just want to be a part of intelligent diversity in storytelling right. I'm looking for that black sleep back saying like I like the things that excite me that seem to be relegated to just mainstream like how do we make sure that we put a little bit of color into that as well? So that's what I'm and what a legacy to leave right. If this goes on for a long time and expect it will to watch somebody grow up on the opportunity you gave them and be sitting in a chair like this some day. Oh Dude there's somebody like comes. I was like yeah I remember. I did this Indian meadows action and that was my first chance to do something that would mean the world. That'd be bigger than any acting GIG that I had. An acting is what? I love but to be able to provide opportunity for other people. That's that's something that's special. I think about Andrei brower. Who won the Emmy before me The actors that have come before the Denzel is the Paul Robeson Ozzy Davis's it's CETERA. Like these guys are giants that endured Paul Robeson did a fellow on Broadway and could not go to A. Cast dinner with his cast because the segregation right like these dudes endured all of this so brown can get up and make people cry. Good Damn good job of it you dave firsthand. My Wife Ryan constantly that will you lead me into the next thing I was gonna ask you about. Which is the fact that you were historic actor. I mean you mentioned Andrea Been Nineteen years. It's an African. American actor had won that award and then Golden Globe the EMMYS. You are a historic actor when you stood on that stage. You weren't just the latest guy to win. Best actor in a drama. You were the first to do something. D Stop and think about that as part of your legacy or is that just too much right now too much. Yeah it's way too much. And it's way too surreal. Yeah because like I was supposed to happen a long time ago. Right Jackie. Robinson did this a long time ago. like it's twenty nineteen twenty eighteen or seventeen. When it happened. I was like I I stuff is still happening. Like I never thought I'm not the do who's on at the avant-garde or like at the forefront of like movements per se. I'm a guy who deeply loves everything that he does. And so when I was told for the Globes in seventy five years at that time I was the first African American male to win. Best lead actor in a dramatic series for SAC which is only twenty five years or something like that but the first house a Oh. Gosh like this isn't happening. Is this me it dawns on me from time to time like I have a place in my office which is in the back of my house and the awards on a couple of different book shelves and from time to Time I look at them I I. I won this stuff right. It's really cool. La At participating winning of this stuff and to be the first of anybody to do something. I feel ill equipped to be the first. I feel like I should be much more articulate Much more sort of militant. I don't know like I feel like the first of the people they like prepared to be the first like you know you have those conversations with branch rickey and you're like this is what it's going to be. Nobody talked to me. They go in the trophies. It's me while I promise. I won't keep your all day but I can't let you go without asking about a couple huge projects. Coming up frozen. Yeah I mean come on being a part of one of the biggest movie franchises yes I have children. Yes believe me a play on a loop in my head all these years later. How cool is that to join that? It's amazing I took my oldest to see the first frozen and he's a boy with very boy like energy. So when I play the soundtrack for him he just like I want to hear the first song over and over again and the first song is like should they the guys who like chopping ice so bored of cold and winter rare and mountain ring him? I mean it's always had another talented. Yeah but I wanNA hear you wanNA build a snowman. He's like this way the first so to be now of an age where he can go and like appreciate the daddies in it and my old my youngest is four and he's GonNa love it like he's just got a sensitive soul that sort of built for these things like the first movie that he got a chance to see all the way through his cocoa. He made into cocoa and he loved it. Yeah and I've seen BITs and pieces of frozen Functions just as much as like an action adventure or more like an action adventure than anything else. So it's got something for the ladies. Because we have our heroines that are at the forefront of the story but like the boys who have boy energy. They're going to be riding this ride just as hard as anybody else so I don't get they. Don't get a chance to see a lot but daddy does. So it's nice when they can see something that he does and vied with perfect. Yeah for that age. They're right in it right and then the other project ask about is the marvelous. Mrs Mazel. Yeah which if the story is true in the speaks to where you are in your career you were like. I want to be in that show. Yeah and they're like yeah. You can be in that. Show that the way it happened Kinda really. I shouted out Rachel's I go. There's ever a way that could be on your show drop in like wreak some havoc house fund. Let me know. And she's like we would love to have you and then the Palladino reached out to me and they're like we've written this role. We don't really see anybody else doing it other than you. Please come play with us right as you kidding me like. I just put it out there and it's happening Omega. It's amazing the You living in that Harlem apartment uptown. Just say call somebody and say I want to be on. That show would freak out if you knew that story. Even though I have no idea who's GonNa having just be happy for you three hundred a week. You live high off the hog as it is back on that bus for the exactly now. We've come a long way for sure. Stick around to hear more from Sterling K. Brown on the Sunday sit down. Podcast is he and I take a walk around Washington Square Park in New York and he reflects on his time living in New York City as an up and coming actor. Hey everyone it's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the new podcast into America and our latest episode NBC National Reporter. Aaron Nine Horn hits the Lordstown Ohio one year after General Motors shuttered. The Chevy Cruz play. Gm is born but there are other economic opportunities coming into the region. So how do people feel about their future? Life Teen ninety-seven. There is almost ten thousand members at General Motors from the summer of two thousand sixteen till when General Motors shuttered. Plant sixty percent of my business search for into America wherever you're listening now and subscribe the meet the press. Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. The twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things. We usually discuss off camera. Listen for free. Wherever you get your podcast welcome back to the Sunday. Sit Down podcast now. More of my conversation was Sterling K. Brown I time walking through Washington Square Park you from the Mid West and you see like rake dances. You see people playing music you see the old dudes playing chess. You got the students coming from nyu cutting through like sort of this magical vast Cornucopia of people spilling into an all these different things like this is New York City. Like I'm in it dude. I love cut through any excuse that could to cut rushing square park. Yeah always took. It might get offered a few things he hadn't heard of before I don't know that's experience. I think the West fourth stop is over that way until we get off on West fourth line lived in Brooklyn and cut through here to get to school and it was just. I talked about people watching what I mean like. This is a place where you watch until everybody's watching now. This is a good moment because years ago school. Watch other people absolutely and now everybody in the spark is watching you kinda crazy. Yeah it's Kinda crazy every once in a while. I fool myself into thinking that I'm still an incognito event but then there's like people stop and they pull out the camera I guess I guess not anymore cameras out. I don't think our nine anymore. What do what do you feel though when you come back to New York and you get to walk around and revisit some of these places that were so foundational for you. I remember the post that the city offers right like it's a city that has heartbeat right. And you start to walk differently. I move faster. We're like a sense of purpose when I'm New York City and I love that hustle right in La. Is this kind of like you sitting in your car. And you're talking on your phone and your chilling but like you won't pick people to like whereas La you have to plan tonight people right but you can just walk around like a minute when I because it's walking culture your access to people you feel more connected in New York City that you do anywhere else in this country. Yeah subway to subway do all the time. And my publicist freaks out is like why is he taking the subway? I'm like because it's my right eye one of the people. I can take the subway anytime I want to go for a walk and I'm like I'm putting my hood on. It's GONNA be okay. I do feel like you said this. New York's a little bit better though like they might just give you like a man. What's The walking keep walking? Hey love you on the show. Thanks a lot appreciate it. It's pretty easy here and I see famous people on the subway all the time and they don't get that's right so it's it does give you a bit more latitude but I'm always surprised especially for this is us. You think people are more jaded or not so cool like they're more cynical in New York. This huge fans everywhere. Every shows got a really beautiful. And do you get the tears in person? They come up. Do they see you. They remember an episode. That WanNa talk about the show. I'll get to hear some person and then I can i. Can I hug you and I'll be like yeah man? I'm down for the hug and we just squeeze it. Sometimes they hold on. I was like all right. We they like and then they're like. Oh that's the power of your show. That's the work. That's the power to shop power to show its reliability when people they see you and no you recognize a part of themselves in You. Just want to share that. Yeah Yeah thank you got it right on my huge thanks to Sterling K. Brown for a great conversation and again my gratitude for his opening up about such personal stories and details of his own life and Childhood and also for showing us around his old stomping grounds. His latest film waves is in theaters now and frozen two hits theaters on November. Twenty Second Maggie. Your big viewer of this is US I am. I know when my wife has it on and I come in. They're always I was GONNA say yes. Yep that's pretty much it it's I think somebody called it once or they said you know America just needs a good cry out so what happens is like it's just sometimes you just need that and it's that's that's a perfect show for it as he says in the interview. 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E54: Clover Club, hitchBOT, and Sterling Barnett Spann

Killer Cocktails

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E54: Clover Club, hitchBOT, and Sterling Barnett Spann

"Hey guys you are listening to kill her cocktails where the drinks are stiffed. The buddies are stiffer. This is a casual true crime. podcast to friends get get drunk and talk about gruesome murders each week. We pick a different drink whose name or ingredients set the tone for our stories. Hey guys it's Dra is Jackie and we are officially back. Welcome back happy. Twenty twenty guys Lou. Twenty twenty combined sites twenty twenty tonight on twenty twenty. Thank you Jackie so for episode tone. Well it's fifty third episode for fifty four Bona's for this newest episode. We decided had to do the clover club cocktail I had never heard of this cocktail. I had not either. And it's not my favorite. I thought it was fine. Yeah but would you order no with the exception of if if I was out on like a girls night and let's pretend camry loved that drink rank and she was like Oh my God clubs for the whole like if she was in like if a friend of mine was into it and wanted us all to have them. I would order it and I wouldn't be out of shape about how paying eight dollars to have somebody make that drink. Man I bet you I bet she someone else could. I thought we've made it pretty well. I think we've made it wrong. Yeah in so this drink in case you're wondering in case you're like me. I don't know what it is It's GIN lemon juice. Raspberry Syrup and an egg white and go shaky shake. Is it just in your mind. You don't like the idea of the white and it kind of tastes because I had it again last night and like it tastes a little bit like medicine. It's like not sweet not tar it just it just just is. I don't know that I would classify it that way I would i. I love raspberries. I'm curious to have it like with fresh fresh razz because we like bought Raspberry Syrup Yeah. I'm like muddling some raspberries mixing it with some simple syrup. I'm curious how like a bartender who like fresh fresh. We made that drink gives you might feel different. Oh yeah definitely and I will one hundred percent drink it again. I'll never go out of my way to order it though I'm GonNa make you order one. We'll be somewhere straight straight. We'll be in Portland and I'll be like clover club and I'll be like cloverfield. We keep calling it. Yeah if you you want the whole recipe and the tutorial video head over to our instagram. We have that video up for you guys. But in case you're wondering where the clover club started. I'm about outsted. Tell Ya I'm curious. So it predates prohibition and it started in the United States and it is named for the Philadelphia Men's Club of the same name name which met in the Bellevue Stratford. Hotel on South Broad Street. So It's a gentlemen's Club. Oh yeah so. The Clever Club itself dates dates to eighteen. Ninety six. And you can see it like in a couple like cocktail books of the time but the clover club again claims that invented invented in the Nineteen Twenty S. Oh sorry club dates to the Yes. So the clubs are eighteen. Eighty two and last until the nineteen twenties. It's got some in Philadelphia roots. Yeah and so essentially got the history from wikipedia and I had to tell you guys a story I. I was on Wikipedia the other day looking up some stuff for my story and it was like. Hey Guys we're a nonprofit need donations. Yeah and I was like you know what what I'm about to graduate from college. I have definitely WICCA Pedia for every day of my college life and for researching this podcast. I'll donate in so it was like if vinit everybody who donates to seventy five and great I can afford to seventy five to seventy fight. It was like well. If you also donate thirty. Five cents to cover the transaction fee and I was like boom brilliant. I got you done and done on it and then just before all this. I was on our website setting up like donation page and by the way if you guys lover show and you feel like giving back we'd much appreciate any and all donations and that donation button is on our cocktails. PODCAST website Beside been tweaking with that but and trying to make it so it wasn't blurry because Dang it wordpress and making images skewed so I have that fresh in my mind and then a couple of minutes later. Yeah I get this email saying hey you got a donation and I was like what do we needed to the about. Text you too excited about it and and I realized it was just a confirmation of my donation. Do you take. That story was going what I thought you accidentally donated to uh-huh no those are funny dre and say love. So that's your you're short but sweet history of the clover club next time you're at a fancy cocktail bar. I do recommend the drink. Yeah depends on your like flavor profiles and what you like but if you like sweeter tasting fruit. He's really high berry. I don't know it'd be like COSMO's Mos- you probably would like this because this is definitely not a sweet drink. The lemon just really brings the sweetness down which I prefer the yeah. Maybe 'cause I know you guys were having taste the lemon juice beforehand. So maybe are lemon was bad. We think it was though bad lemon. That's the thing is it. Yeah he's bad lemon. See that lemon. Don't start you got going to face US right no it. Maybe it's for the Birds Alberta Pirates. He's a bad egg or a bad seeded eh badly. I yeah yeah you know what she would sayings sayings or for the birds along on no all right. Well I'm done for my okay. I'm GonNa tell you. My story is pretty quick So welcome back short but sweet. Oh and in case you guys are just joining us and because it's a new year new season ask ask you knew you knew this is a true crime comedy podcast and we and we pick a cocktail tail and whatever that cocktail is the name the origin story. What have you ingredients kind of inspires us to find these stories? They'll be a tie to the drink some our story so when I say my tire Jackie says her we will point it out to you guys. Okay so yeah you'll get a tie to the drink somewhere in are stories. Okay Tra are you from her story yes okay so he. I'm so excited that we're backed me too okay. I'm having fun are you. There's so much time having so much fun all right in the summer of two thousand fourteen Canadian hitchhiker named HP Made News by crisscrossing their way from Halifax Nova Scotia. All the way to Victoria. British Columbia okay. So tourist across cancel award of them or what's going on no so. HP as non binary. Oh so I won't be using gender. Turn Gotcha okay. So it was about ten thousand kilometers the trip. I don't think that's how far it is from one side of handed to the other but that's how long the trip took Took twenty six days. There were nineteen rides. It's to make it from one side to the other. HP had a checklist kind of like a scavenger hunt of sorts. ooh Let's kind of things like attended strangers. Wedding meeting. Meeting indigenous person visit specific parks so things that would make the trip a little bit more exciting because there was a blog and there was a twitter. Yeah so each. He took a picture every twenty minutes. Wow and would Tweet it out and update what was going on so people could like follow along on the adventure. That's that's really cool. Yeah so once the can of the trip was complete and I was a little bit more notoriety around. HP traveling They had to Germany. They go to Netherlands They're traveling between like famous. Town's kind of documenting their travels And once all of that is like complete. Now there's enough like buzz. The next big thing is traveling across the United States Like big time we got everybody looking. HP is GonNa be going across the US so July of two thousand fifteen. HP starts in marblehead Massachusetts like a Salem. I'm kind of up in there And head intends to end in San Francisco. Okay but there's a checklist. Let me read you some of the things. That are on the checklist See The lights in Times Square Pose with the Lincoln Statue Tannen Myrtle beach experienced the magic wonderful magical. Wonderful World. Walt Disney Let's see there's go to the Archer misery here jazz music in New Orleans. Do the wave at a sports game. So there's all sorts of like so I see the house from Pixar's up in Utah. I didn't know there was based on a real house. Didn't know that it was in Utah. I I've seen a picture online but I thought it was fake but just like this tiny little house between these two like Oh like an inspiration. Yeah okay that makes sense I sink I think okay. Yeah so like a cool checklist kind of again kind of aid in in the trump. Yeah okay so Two weeks into the. US Journey having only crossed off two items from the checklists on August. First Two Thousand Fifteen August I July thirty. I don't WanNa when it happened HP was murdered in Philadelphia. Pennsylvania home of the clover club o o tackling good top in Pennsylvania Samania Man Philadelphia so. HP was stripped into capitated on a park bench in a popular tourist area They assumed just waiting for their next ride HP's body was actually found by fans who've been following the trip. Oh my God. When News News of the attack was made public of fake surveillance video was made and like circulated of a group beating up? HP Why it was like a joke a a joke so let me show you. There's a picture a little graphic. I'm sorry this was is when. HP was found. Wait Wait H. stands for Hitch Pot and was a hitchhiking robot. Wait robot wait was traveling on the kind of strange. Did you see my face on a park bench into capitated was. Jackie is now showing doing me a picture of a decapitated robots. If you're anywhere near a Google Machine Google dot let me show you what hitch used to look like originally I I was GonNa say every twenty minutes. That's excess. Yeah more power to you man. That's silly zero but can you see can you see hitch pot on the side over there so little so it doesn't Walk No. It's not mobile. People have to move it. uh-huh Hitch Pot has like a bucket for a head with display uh-huh and pool noodle arms and legs and Like Nice like everyone points out. The boots are well. He's like yeah. It's important that people know that the boots are well is the idea. was that the kindness of stranger like people would hitch. They'd find hitch pot and they would know what was on the checklist or where hitchcock needed to go and they they would like strap it into their car and like join their travels like. There's all sorts of fun stuff on the blog and there's like youtube videos in it did not last again made it all the way across Canada trump Germany the Netherlands two weeks in the United States and it ended up to CALC capitated on a park bench. Do they know what happened now. L. No like it didn't take pictures during that time. Obviously they don't have any pictures of the criminal. Yeah there was it stripped of anything did they want was stripped. Like there wasn't anything of value to steal from. It was straight up just because you could someone was like look at this cute little robot no because it was. I was just sitting on a park bench waiting for a person to come across it living. It's best life. Yeah going across country Dude Hitchcock. Had already been fenway park. Oh and had seen the invites in Madison Square Garden. What was Times Square? Yeah who yeah. So what's the next step. Do they make a HP too sure. Yeah so the original. I guess the hitch spot that was decapitated in the. US was either the second or third version of what happened to the other. Ones they just I think updated in like made it. I'm not really sure. The original original that went across Canada is a Canadian Museum. Okay and and there's talk of all that kind of happened then. There were people in the United States. We're like we're not awful like that happened in the city of brotherly love but like let's give you money for a new hitch PA. Let's make hitch get like so. There's a little bit of a resurgence of like. Hey we can do it right like yeah gives a chance. Yeah that's crazy crazy. Yeah and that's that's your stories of the destroys the murder of hitch pot. Buddy Frank. We were texting and he was like you have to tell tell the story of this robot are killed because it's ridiculous so I will find. That was a camera. Give me a drink. This robot into this podcast somehow. Oh my God well and you know hi I'm with robots yes and the fact that people like so there's all this stuff the bubbles up from this in that They definitely like humanized the way because he would talk to you to like it is worth looking at you tubes of hitch because it would everyone that hung out with hitchcock was like it was awkward because hitch fought had like voice recognition software And so you'd be like sitting in a car and you'd be talking about whatever and hitch bought like a total somebody was no social skills would just erupt and it would be totally off topic so like you'd all be talking about whatever and hitch part would be like did you know that Blah Blah Blah. I'd just been unrelated cool. Hitch by who let this guy on the car. That's crazy. Eighty yeah I would you beat up a robot because we're GONNA take over the world tra- Oh Jackie I show Jackie This a I connect game on and you can play against the I or you can put the AI against A. But anytime you play against a I I you will lose. It's called connect for AI unbeatable. This is why I don't understand why we keep trying to strive for independent robots. Yeah there they will one hundred percent be better than US and invincible. Yes in a certain regard. They are invincible. What are we doing all seen terminator? I think in some aspect. We're trying to better the world because they can maybe come up with a cure for cancer or get us to Mars completely -pletely in like explore the deep Rome's of the Ohio Laura. I know I'm nervous about it as you should be. I won't go off too far on this tangent but I will put this out there because I want other people to think about it. Yeah I consider myself progressive liberal person but when push comes to shove when it comes to legislation I don't WanNa let robots vote. Why are you whispering? 'cause it's the idea that that's how I feel. It feels else like I'm on the wrong side of history because you won't let robots vote I don't care if people can marry robots. What do I care but did I didn't know right? Yeah I don't know we might have cut all this very I consider very inflammatory. I haven't unquote decided. I think you'll need to be in the midst of it to really cause I think within our lifetimes. Yeah you're going to be challenged with you've got this robot class that needs representation and they want to have people in Congress and why shouldn't they. But why should they yeah. I love this debate because I love how wrong I think I am. If here's one debate Jackie. I am open to the dialog. I want to be convinced otherwise but I am not convinced other hit us up on instagram diem messages. Yeah tell me why I need to let robots. I'm very excited to read these comments. Jill I don't WANNA be wrong. Harvey'll yeah thanks Jeff. Sorry sorry are older robot listeners. People get back to work. Oh No oh you're references. Oh Yeah so the hitch pot website. I think it's hitch dot me the wikipedia page about Hitch Pot Got An NPR article. And then I listened to the podcast tech stuff which is a pretty interesting? I guess it's a podcast has been really ten years or so. It was pretty entertaining. The two guys talking about talking my hitch pot. Nice awesome. Okay so we're GONNA take a really quick break to hear our messages from our people. That's the thing by pillows by what does that mean. People have like my pillow commercials. Criminals exists hey guys. It's this Jackie and this is our midsection just kind of conversation to you. Hello Hi by pill who spits them. We long story short. We decided not to get a Patriae John just because to nothing to learn things to learn that there's other fees involved with it. 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So we're doing the clover club so we're going to jump right in so my story starts in Nineteen eighty-one and this old small town called clover South Carolina. Nicely done clever club clever South Carolina Ding Ding. Ning Alec. My Tie to get things So there's a sweet older woman named Melva Neal whom everyone calls and Miss Mel and most people know around town. And she's a sweet quiet church-going woman she's eighty two years old so she's like your grandma and then on September sixteenth She missed she misses a morning appointment and this is super out of character for her so her neighbors. I'm I'M GONNA go check on her so the neighborhoods over to Miss Mel's house and when the neighbor gets there they seem the the front doors wide open and the screen door is closed and is it a loss automatic mobile. I don't know that to be true over it's close So the neighbors This feels weird. I'M GONNA call the police so the police arrive and everything looks you know in its place. It seems normal But then they head back into her bedroom in her entire bed is covered in blood. Just it's everywhere lady And then there are some random items like around the room like a church newsletter and Mrs Mills Personal Zucchini bread recipe. Just Kinda like in the room okay. Okay true in about in a way that in some ways yeah gaining attention And so the keep searching the house and this part is graphic They Find Miss Mel dead in her bathtub They were later. find out that someone had tortured. Miss Mel on her bed sexually assaulted her and then brought her into to the bathroom and strangled her to death. Why well here? Some items that are missing from the house Some caches gone mm some jewelry and more specifically dependent made from an eighteen eighty one gold coin that was like necklace But besides that they had no leads and until three days as later when they received an anonymous call from a woman saying sterling span killed that woman whoa they would have got nowhere without that call Potentially potentially actually so police no sterling. He's this high school dropout. He's nineteen years old at the time and they know him for liking dope and like drinking and so oh he's the youngest of six kids and his mother's is respected schoolteacher in the community so far his brothers and sisters. They've all left town and they've gone to college. He's the only one who stayed and the family describes him as he's just this nice guy and he's always just happy go lucky in so the police arrest journaling and they find out that he had worked for Miss Mel on some yard work and he lived just a few blocks away from her. Okay and then They take in the evidence they found like the church newsletter. He's letter and the recipe and dusted for fingerprints and Sterling. Prince are match but they also find a gold coin from eighteen eighty one in in his pocket. That's pretty bad Yes to play devil's advocate Yup. Could this kid with a drug problem is is that accurate His drug use drug used. Yeah so could this kid. Who did some work for this Old Lady? Is it possible that he just robbed her. Maybe so sterling tells the police that a man named cool breeze had given him the coin Coleus the old days ago. Who'll and he was this guy with red hair and freckles on the police are like his name was cool breeze? No okay this is made up. Okay cool breeze. Doesn't exist cou. I'm on record as saying cool breezes not a real person okay perfect. He says that this man has hair freckles. Like Blue Eyes and the the police he's like nobody likes that lives around here. They're like me uh-huh uh-huh Bullshit. Yeah so sterling goes to trial in. He's charged with capital murder. And there's a ton of evidence again if he did that's bad there's a ton of evidence against him But the one thing that they had to defend him was his alibi and His Alibi was that he was with his grandmother. The night of the murder in his GRUB grandmother is like stable in the community. Everybody loves her insurance. Not just lying. Helter drilling join yeah However when she goes to take the stand they hinder the Bible to swear on and she falters? She like won't put her hand on it to to the point where the clerk cast to like take her hand and put it on. The Bible is still do I guess yeah and so the jury was like oh well. What's this she doesn't want to lie? Lie and like touch the Bible interesting and so immediately like We really think he did it so in less than ninety minutes. Let's pretend that was was on the lake with. She's just being an old lady in something else going on inside her. Yeah thing little things happening during trial can have major impact from what you aware to how you have to sit and whether you have to be like in a cage looking thing versus it's an it's so crazy. Yeah Yeah I don't. I'm sticking up for this guy when norm lamb like so less than ninety minutes. The jury finds sterling guilty of first degree murder and he is sentenced to death in the electric chair. Can you imagine just sitting there for like an hour and a half it only taking an hour and a half. That's all someone's GonNa die. No absolutely well. I don't know even if I eat like I would annoy everybody in my jury because even if it was so so obvious and they had made a great case and it was like iron clad I would be wiffle waffle to go over every little piece. I WOULD WANNA be so Dan. Yeah Yeah So he gets charged In he does his verse appeal and it fails to does a second second one a third one. I made you get Will he go. He goes up to five and they all fail in his major complaint was that he had ineffective counsel and he had to public defenders and After the first day So he had to public defenders. After the first day his mother was like you know what they're not on your side so let me spend money to get this like expensive lawyer that will help you. And the thing was the family kept saying all the lawyers that would represent represent him just thought he was guilty and so he could see it in the way that they were just trying to get a lesson. They're trying like I don't think he didn't do it to the point. Where like Sharon sterling sister remembers that like the one the lawyer that they pay Ford like during the one of the appeals calling sterling. The wrong name kept calling him Stanley and did it. Twenty two times Yes I'm sorry if you're the judge and the lawyer says the wrong name. Aren't you calling them out. Let's let the first one pass but the second time be like that's not your client's name like are you in the right courtroom Sir neared So the DA had had What they called overwhelming Evidence but it was all really circumstantial. And there's no a lot hinges on this call which is very damning but also also like anybody can make a call and say anything well in the fingerprints on the coin? Yeah in there was no forensic evidence like hair or other fibers connecting him to the crime scene. That's what I'm saying like you can construct a story where an old lady tried to give a kid working working on her property. A pamphlet about church wanted to give him a recipe Eh either gave him a coin or talked about and he stole like the coins debatable. Maybe he stole what I don't think it'll lady would give that to them but like you can create another narrative that isn't nefarious and he had been working at her yard for like a couple of months now. Now Yeah but like you know I feel like a fingerprint on a piece of paper doesn't exactly point two. Yeah Yeah I don't know so. The state never found any eyewitness who could put sterling at the murder scene in Sharon sterling. Sister says her brother had an alibi witness besides their grandmother and there was a young man whom he had been playing cards with that night. Who would confirm that sterling was never near Misses Miss Mel's house But nobody ever had him come up to testify and the reasoning was. They're just teenagers. They don't really have any que. Se mini jurors thought. It meant that she couldn't Oh so back to why the grandmother per hand on the Bible so managers thought it meant that she couldn't tell the truth but Sharon sterling sister said that it was because the grandmother thought it was Sakr Sacrilege sacrilegious sacrilegious to bring a Bible into a courtroom. Oh so that's why she was I-i that's what I'm saying like there's I jump to conclusions all the time and then there's a a backtrack track bill my right And so she also says that Sterling Beg to on the stand himself to refute the evidence against him but the lawyers advised vice him to keep silent because he did it In a little side. No US sterling is African American. And this kind of like wider community So while the appeals are going on a sterling his kept in a five by seven cell for twenty three hours a day and not allowed out of his cell at all during the weekends Nine years after he went on death row his childhood sweetheart. Jackie came to visit and they were married In the death row like area area a year later and went crazy. I'm in so his sister. Sharon started going from state to state trying to get anyone to believe Sterling Sterling's innocence that phone call We we never know and so she's like anyone like my brother is innocent like an alien help and then thirteen years later a private private investigator named Pete skidmore happened to be visiting death-row any recognize sterling and he was like. Oh my God. We played football together at clover. Middle School what. What are you doing here? Yeah feeding just keep server clover. Impede explained destroying that As long as sterling would always tell him the truth that he would take the case. He's like I don't know if I believe that you're innocent in like I kinda think you're guilty but I will take your case if you always promise to tell the truth to me And so pete leaves The prison and he's like I don't think he'll find anything but I'll start digging and so just sixty days before Miss Mel was killed. He found out that another widow was found dead in a house. Just blocks from where sterling and Miss Mel lived served. How was that not a thing And so that mutated was this is the part you thought would give me the whole thing's retaining. Just wait so the victim. I'm too was an elderly white woman and she too had been sexually assaulted strangled and covered with water in her bathtub. How does that ever get brought up? Oh yeah none of the first case like that's no that's what I'm saying. It was never brought up. Oh Because they were never connected they. I'm so upset. MHM So chlorine city or city. Oh come on come on global. We weren't there clover. Police did not pursue uh-huh pursue a murder investigation. They merely noted suspicion suspicious circumstances. So that's found out in then Another case it happened court files revealed yet another murder sixty days after Miss Mel dive. Got To be fucking kidding me yet. Another a white woman. Same murder methods seem horrible. Death Where is he at this point in jail? Yes he's been on death row. No no no you said sixty days after mel he he wanted custody he had been made. He's like one hundred percent couldn't have done that third one. Yep isn't weird. That are sticking up for him in the beginning. I didn't know I was guilty Snap judgment says interesting. Drop in. It's going gate cry. There's one fifteen seventeen okay here. We go so then he realized. Oh so the is like any of this out and he's like this is crazy. There's no way this girl I can't. I'm as a listener. Sner the excitement level. I I can't imagine being that dude over and all that and being like well yes in. So he's figuring all this out and then he realizes that someone has been convicted of killing the third woman in his ORLEA wrongly We'll we'll see so. The confessed killer was a former minister minister and odd job in. He did odd jobs and his name is johnny whole it and in nineteen sixty nine. He had been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. And he had he had told the psychiatrists that he had dreams and nightmares of seeing his grandmother. Head roll toward him while he was at work like he could just like he sees. Yeah Yeah in Holt's wife at the time testified that her husband had often beaten and sexually assaulted her in their daughter and then he had worked on on a produce route that took him right by the houses of the other two elderly murder. This thing about older women so pete the. Pi keeps digging because now he completely believes that. Johnny is a killer and he's actually a serial killer and he finds out that one of the police officers at Miss Miss Melt. Crime scene had drained the water in the bathtub while she was still in it before they could gather evidence and so that's like tampering with the scene. So then he's like I mean yes that is what it is. Tampering has such a connotation to it. Yes are you say intentional or just like I think it was. He wasn't and thinking he was probably thinking. Oh this reminds me of my grandmother. I WANNA yeah. Yeah he also discovered that. Please allowed miss. Mel's friends to clean up the blood. God and mess left by the killer that a plumber had been allowed to remove a blood soaked sponge in some papers from the toilet and throw them away before anything. What Dude Good God damn what And then and then these eighties. We're in the early eighties note late. Eighty s late eighties. Okay still still and so. That was all before again before they checked for any evidence and they found Cook Caucasian hair samples but no African American hairs fibers in the house us and they were never tested and they're no longer in evidence. The Caucasian hairs that they did find goes to talk to johnny since he's sitting in prison for life cents. It's for this other murder. And so while he's he's talking to you. Can you just gotTa confess. Yeah 'cause he like none of this evidence is going to work in my favor and so I'm gonna go talk to Johnny. Maybe maybe he'll say something and so while he's talking to Johnny. Johnny says that he he didn't kill Miss Mel but his brother did what in the world and that he waited outside the house and he insisted that sterling is innocent. His brother mm-hmm. Is he saying his brother did all of them and he was always outside or just that one he's saying for this one for him and his brother and some sort of weird ball no. He said that they had driven up to the house. And he said that's brother went inside to collect money for a misnomer because he had done some work he waited in the car during the whole thing and then his brother comes comes out but he did also kill another lady. Yes Johnny Yeah. Yeah this is interesting. Okay so But he keeps saying sterling is innocent in. He shouldn't have to pay for something he didn't do. where's Johnny's Bro? We don't yet so the police are like cool. That's all oh great. We're not going to open the case again. Turn admitting fault and so is just like you know what this is insane. I've gone to the media. I've been working on this four years now and he's like you know what I quit. I'm quitting the case. I'm out no his private detective. The business and he started selling coughing machine's always over the injustice of it Yeah but then like as he selling these copying machines and he's going about is daily life he's like I made a promise to sterling. Yeah this isn't right so he gets back at it and he calls the media and has a media outrage come meet him him at the jail to interview Johnny and Johnny He just tells them like the same story that he told Pete instead they called in a renowned own forensic psychiatrist and they have him come talk to sterling and Johnny and Dr Emmanuel Tawny who specialists who specializes in the study of sex crime says for Johnny to blame his brother who by the way denies any involvement is standard behaviour for psycho. Pass us like John and he has no doubt that Johnny murdered all three elderly women in so he did some more investigating on Johnny and he has like A history of torturing members of the family and he did all kinds of things that are charismatic for serial killer And do imagine sterling comes out differently in these interviews. Yes and then. When asked about sterling he said yes? There's like no way it's it's I would say impossible than sterling could ever commit these crimes. So then sterling's lawyer Jon Blum called an equally well-known pathologist examined the autopsies that detailed the way those the three women were killed and When he examined examined there was one bone that remained unbroken? The hoyt tired highway and They said it's it's like uncommon to remember when the Strangle guy talked about this no in the strength so when we went to crowds off they had a guest speaker who did a talk about stranglings and end 'cause I think Epstein was in the news at the time and he was talking about how. What a big deal they were making of the highway boom And he goes. People don't goes outside outside of the world of whatever I'll call it forensics He does a lot of hubbub gets made about the hired boy. He's and people don't really understand and it and they'll think it means one thing whether it's broken or not he does it. It really just is indicative. Sometimes of what they say. So yeah so this is bringing me up this highway. Boyne I keep saying boy new hire Wade Bona All three women. It wasn't broken cracked because they like to talk about when you're getting strangled angled buttered lakes or not. Yeah so he was saying that it chose consistency through all three murders. And then more likely than that. It's the same person doing the the strangulation Shen so then they bring in FBI profiler Robert Wrestler and he also concludes that it has to be the same killer in it's based on his research It is very rare. He he told. Oh blow bloom for a black man to commit psycho-sexual serial killings where rare still that such disturbed man would target white woman when Silverlake from his profiles perspective. It also doesn't fit like this will be very out of the norm. Yeah so then you have to wonder but what about the other evidence like the coin. In sterling's carlings pocket so sterling. This whole time said this man cool breeze gave him the cocaine and I know you called. Bs Right off the bat but but he never changed his story. Yeah and so in the press actually became why is cool breeze giving him a coin sturt likes joins like this guy just gave me this thing. That's the story. Yeah more to it so this cool breeze guy became like a joke in the media like he's a job to me right now the PI is like back talking to Johnny. Johnny keeps bringing up this Guy Jesse Pruitt K.. And the Pi. Pete was like who. Who is this guy? Yeah that you keep bringing up. He was like oh he's my friend he's like. Oh like what color hair does he have always got red hair. And what else does he have. Oh He's like freckles. And like you come visit me and clover and so he's like Oh my God. This is cool breeze. Hold on I think I got my wires crossed. Who has this friend Jesse pruitt Johnny? Johnny Johnny does Okay I- transpose. Those names in my mind and I thought the Thrilling Sterling telling a story about how there was this friend of his with red hair and I was like quit using two names for the same guy. No no no no. Johnny has a red haired friend named Jesse PRUITT in so now they have a name to the goal bream annoyed again. But it's been twenty the years now so they're like there's no way we're going to find him we'll bring his so They do some more research tracked on this woman in. She says that Jesse now lives under an overpass somewhere in Oklahoma O.. Transient so we're like. How are we ever brees so they start driving through Oklahoma because this is the the only thing we have to go on and Diane Diana Holt? WHO's now one of us? Trillions defense attorneys. She's driving around. They're driving around. They're like we're never gonNA find this person and then there. He was red headed as he could be freckles. Blue eyed there was cool breeze right there and he confirmed the story with the details about the gold coin coin crazy and so they're like Google Shock. I mean I'm eating my words. We're GONNA win this like we have everything here. So they're stoked and they had back back and then the prosecutors in the meantime here wind of what's going on so they track down Jesse and they get him to sign a statement saying he had made the whole thing up. What act benefit? I don't I don't like feeling because I don't know this to be true. I don't like feeling and the idea that a prosecutor would do something just to not be wrong. Yeah well I think you're saving the reputation of the state. You are finding justice for the person who can't defend themselves. I know yes. I'm just here I'm urinated by. Are you in your mind not thinking that you're coercing somebody are you like. I don't know who got to them and his having them say this story. Let's make sure we get him saying no. That's not true but Jeez I'm annoyed by it. As the story goes on Jesse story will flip flop and so does MOE's living in abridged edged. So there's that evidence that was proven and now woodside so now roller coaster emotion We're only halfway through so now I only have sterling's fingerprints for the evidence like what what's going on with that. So P P believes that he has the answer he says that police investigators. I had been a sloppy with paperwork as they had with with all the other evidence and they allowed a close friend of Miss Mel to remove those critical papers from the crime scene in kept them in their addict until the police came back later and got them to like. They've been tampered with not tampered. Sorry they've they're out of pool chain of test who yes exactly exactly exactly and then police say that they found Sterling's prints on these documents however this is a great story thank you. This is so Jackie I say something. Jackie told me that she had found the best story. And it was gonNA blow my mind so funny and so. I kept postponing this recording. Because I was like no. It's not good enough. My sores on good enough and I finally found this on I I was like I think I might have a fighting chance. It's so good or the worst so silly I told you were gonNA be mad with the story so good. I'm glad I inspired you to find. Just one of historic couldn't find this anywhere like there's a couple of articles and all references the method. There's no podcasts. It could find no youtube okay. So here we go so the documents with his fingerprints on them. There is no other fingerprints found on those papers. Not even miss smells fingerprints. and not even the friend who had picked picked up the papers and took them to house and put them in their addict. WHOA and yet sterling sprints were on it day pristine yeah so while in custody so this is Pi Pete's theory while custody? The police had sterling handle several papers. Bull Shit what are you doing. I don't WANNA say that they've set them up Because I don't know that to be true but like it's common enough in the stories that we tell which are going to be the outlier stories where someone feels so strongly. That someone's guilty that they'll do things to ensure that their fat like and that the ends do not justify eh the means yes so so. Peers Pete's Motive for the police officers doing this was essentially the state's theory all dependent on these fingerprints. Yeah they didn't have that they have anything in. There was no forensic nick evidence putting sterling at the scene of the murder and prosecutors said that sterling left his fingerprints on the papers while he was brutally assaulting. Miss May in the bedroom and so ooh asked for an appeal and he actually gets like Not a retrial. It's like it's an appeal. It's the thing you do before the appeal tell me to get a retrial. I think I understand what you're saying. So Jon Blum. His defense attorney goes in and he. He's allowed to bring in a mattress into the courtroom and and with the state's lead investigator on the Sam. Bloom demonstrates graphically the improbability that anyone could commit a violent act on a bed come in contact with two pieces of paper and leave pristine fingerprints without even wrinkling the paper. Because there's no blood or anything like that. Yeah he's like it's imp- it's impossible in so they thought they had it in the bag. They're like we're GONNA get this appeal we're going to get a retrial But the court ruled that it would not overturn the convince conviction because evidence exonerating sterling. Could that have been presented at his original trial. But it wasn't but it could have so they're like it's not you're not bringing any new evidence in so there's no reason to have a retract towards thinking. Is that k the law at work. Yeah so now. Sterling is facing execution within months. So Oh they took it to the South Carolina Supreme Court. They're like John The dark. We gotta do a hail. Mary In only once in a century had the state Supreme Court granted a new trial under such circumstances so real shot in the dark so five months after the justices had heard all the evidence and all the reasons why he should get a retrial and why he should get a second chance They decide That he would not be exonerated. Donna rated but he would get a new trial so they didn't pardon him to say but they were like you serve nearby. Now that's point. He's been on death row for eighteen years and he's thirty six years old please In so he he's no longer in prison. He's like waiting trial so he has to wear electronic bracelets like he's got on which is amazing? Yeah like while he's out like his friend recalls like taking to a Walmart and they essentially immediately had to leave over stimulating yes like congealed for eighteen years. He's been in solitary like on death row eighteen years and so him and his wife. They're still married. They get a house in clover in. Its his grandmother's there's house in it's just blocks away from L.. Had died but this is like his home. This is all he knows. Yeah and everything's so different now so he's not going to venture out into another city and so it took him a couple months to find a job but he starts working in a restaurant and and he's like in the back so customers can't see him because we're find out he works there and so they have to let them go so that keeps happening with a couple of jobs and it seems like the prosecution might be letting everything go because it's been almost a year now. They have to like file new charges in so they get a new process. Because that's one option when you get a new trial as they can decide. We're not going to get another conviction. We're not going to pursue this. Yeah Okay and so they have a new prosecutor in his name. Is Tommy Pope and His father was once the sheriff of that county MHM In so the fact that the defense is stances that the police are doing a setup against sterling does not sit with him. Tom Is going to be the prosecutor Peter and he starts digging up evidence of his own so During his investigation he finds that the police had tested the papers for fingerprints. And they match sterling's and that's where they got the warrant to go arrest drilling so he's saying he couldn't have been handed these paper yes in the jail because Okay and and then there was also another print on a window that had never been submitted which also match sterling's print and then there was also drop of blood on the carport floor. Underneath that that window were sterling's fingerprint was found. So it's on the outside of the house. Okay and Miss Mel's blood. Type is type. B Johnny's in his brother's type A in the blood a drop in the carport is type. O which is the same sterling's Tommy Pope sends an investigator out to talk to Jesse. And that's when they get that sign statement that he made it all up and when they were talking to him Pruitt is just giving this rambling account of giving away. The coin like years after Miss Mel was killed. Okay now historic doesn't match up with anybody buddy story because just talking He just wants free cheeseburgers and service. Yeah and then pope goes and brings more investigators peters out to talk to johnny the one who's sitting in prison for the third murder and Johnny saying like. I had to do what I had to do to try to get my case back in court. So he's like I. I was GONNA say anything that they wanted me to say. I want my my case to be heard and I wanted to be back in the media and so now now everyone's sounds like retracting everything. Okay and so then the prosecutors like well what if sterling had committed just two of the murders. Because I know they're trying to say it's a serial killer so what if she killed Miss Mel in Mary Rain which was the first woman and not the third. That's exactly the same. Yeah later on. They're going to say how the third one is different. Okay so not only with jewelry taken from a mismatch house but for Mary rings to and they said it was a it was on a key chain with key I believe across in some other items of jewellery around the house and then One of the things was like attack and he said that when they searched sterling's pockets not only did he. You have this coin but you also have this tie tack. That looks bad. So then the prosecutor Pope. He's like okay. We're GONNA to do this new trial I see more. The prosecutor feels like he's got a he is coming up with some stuff where it's like I think this guy's hooping everybody Yeah so I don't think his intentions wins are militias. You're taking me left. And Right. I think he just really wants to find the truth but his motivation kind of to like look at the case was like oh no no no no. You'RE NOT GONNA if you're saying that there's police corruption the we need to find it and we need to stop it now. I understand what you were putting. You're trying to make earlier. There wasn't hearing sorry. Sorry but again. The defense has counter-attacked and for for three years sterling has been out in the world on yeah like electric bracelet thing. Yeah and he He may be annoying sometimes. Watch in so. Yeah not knowing what your future will physically. I imagine in ankle. Bracelet didn't feel great definitely so he has a job he's enrolled in welding classes He put down on payment on a house and he's also sued money for getting representation in his case. the trial and the defense attorneys are like like you know what sterling's been this model citizen we got this and so they bring in More experts and so they bring in Alabama forensic expert and and he would you say. Would you say that sterling has been a ruling citizen. Oh my thank yes okay. So Sterling's been at upstanding citizen defenses like we got this so they go to court four and they bring in an expert and it's a forensic lab exper- and this person is saying that there's no way that the killer came through the carport window and and that's because when you look at old crime scene photos there's plants in the way of that window where there's no way that someone would go up and over and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and and. The defense is also saying he used to do yard work aggressive. Is there like he could have been over. That print could have been there from years. Before you hurt yourself. Doing doing yardwork. He could have easily leg had a droplet of blood exactly and argue each every single direction. So the keep going back and forth earth and then the judge all of a sudden announces that all the potential jurors need to go home and that they won't be needed and the trial is stopped and the the reason being is because while the prosecutors were investigating they came across these three slides that were in evidence and it was three like vaginal swabs from all three victim okay. Each one had been sexually assaulted but they had never been tested. One backlogs too. 'cause they didn't always do that like big thing. They didn't really have samples. Your there wasn't enough to do it then and now you can do Minimal yeah and and so. They've been in there for twenty years and so two of them being stored correctly which can be a problem. Because not everything gets stored right. Yeah so back then like if it was in a temperature temperature controlled room. You destroy your exactly so. They tested the samples in Two of them weren't able to pull anything. And that was a Miss Mel's and Bessie Alexander. Who was the third victim and on one slide taken from the first victim? Mary ring There's a a couple degraded sperm samples. Okay and the only DNA test possible could at best telephone man was not the person who had had sex with the victim. Okay in so they can't can't get a profile off of it but they can exclude yes so. DNA samples from Sterling. Johnny and Johnny's brother rushed to a lab in the results assaults were the four sperm tested. Prove that two men had had sex with miss ring around the time of her death but the answers about who those two men and might be remained also but the answer to who they were. They had no idea K.. So they're inconclusive K.. In so sterling then then has to prepare for another trial but right before it began sterling sister. Who's been his rock who's been writing for him? Yeah getting gets in a car crash in dice and then a man that he had become best friends with on deathrow. Zero K lost his appeal and was executed. Okay so to set things half the severity of the situation. He is in is like really the hitting him in so the prosecutors offer him a plea bargain and it's called an Alford plea to the dude in the staircase took only so really. It's saying if I remember correctly you're saying I'm pleading guilty But I'm not admitting that I did it. I'm saying you have enough evidence. Evidence to convict me. I think if I go to trial I'll be found guilty I'll admit to that But I'm not saying I did it but I'm putting a guilty Z.. Play exactly that's exactly what it exactly right so Sterling would not be charged with the killing of Mary Ring and the plea would carry a life sentence sentence instead of death. Death Yeah But there was one huge positive. His lawyer claimed his sterling that because he had been in prison for so long that that he had already served a lot of time in so Hughley for a okay parole like almost immediately in so with his his sister passing and with his friend dying in with all of this he finally says fine. I'll sign this plea. But for all this time he's always nineteen is innocent. Exactly in so he signs the Affidavit or no he signs the Alford plea yeah the Alford plea and they put back into prison But the only thing was read correctly or they did something anyways. He's not eligible eligible for parole. Oh and so now. He's just in prison on a guilty plea on the guilty plea appeals you can and so now. His team is working fiercely again in there like it's a slim chance for parole at least for another year. So he's in there for another year and the Parole Board Took five minutes to reject his application when he applied He then he got some new lawyers and he'd had another parole hearing and that failed and he rejected two four more times and then three years after struggling with back to prison they went. They tried again. They're going to try for this appeal again and so finally he offered parole and he is is now out and He wants to start a ministry for everyone who's like on death row going through the same process he is unfortunately he did get arrested for Dui August two thousand eighteen but besides that it sounds like he is he's doing well yeah yeah crazy. Yeah so johnny. Hasn't been convicted of the murders. Like no one's Janis. Pajamas and jailed. Johnny was in for the Third Primary Ring. Yeah no Alexander. Yeah Yeah Isn't that tax. There's some interesting stuff and you go back and forth so big big shoutout to Ambien and how popular or tax back that maybe he had tie tack. And it wasn't the Titanic K.. NBC News Big Big Shoutout to NBC News. An article by Keith Morrison a twenty year quest for freedom is essentially right like. It's this long very detailed. I want to say it's a transcript of A.. D. A NBC. News videos couldn't find the video anywhere and also the Gaston Gazette former death. Row Inmate arrested in Gastonia by Adam Lawson awesome personally. But it's just felt very cereal. Ask where you're like. He did it he didn't do it. Didn't go through all those back and forth so it's just where where do you lay on. Do you think I don't know I would wanNA see more evidence. Yeah I don't know 'cause like there's so many the fact there were three late. Why was the third death different than the other? Two it was very similar is very like it was the torture. The strangulation left left in the bathtub. All three all three but to me that is in a small town I find it very hard to believe that those three redefinition unrelated and the fact that he couldn't have done the third either means that he and Johnny were doing those together and then Johnny did one without him or he. He didn't do them. Yeah I just find it very dat in and of itself is a little. Yeah hard to get past interesting of all those little branches where things could have been differently like if his grandmother hadn't you know yeah yeah had all the evidence in the beginning been been in the first case. Yeah if this Jesse pruitt Guy could have been found earlier so we'll breeze. It's hard to catch a cool breeze. Oh Oh my God. So Jesse pruitt cool breeze his when he first talked to the defense attorneys he said that Johnny came to him and was like. Hey We like rob this house. We need to get rid of some of the staff. Here's this coin. Go planted on someone. So Oh he just went down to a bar and essentially started chatting with sterling. You Toula coin in like it to him. That seems the most likely. Yeah but it's frustrating with all your witnesses or saying different things and they don't they said I if if forced to choose news I think Johnny did all of them and that he did. Just kind of get railroaded Stir that sterling just kind of got swept up and and they were like he's the guy and then they never. They couldn't see it. Yeah Blinders on. I would love to know who made the phone. Call the phone call man. 'cause I never came up again. Uh but it's like one of those cases like we might not know 'cause so limited evidence left does a very good story I feel like other people Chicago. Yeah because the more people that covered the more you get little nugget advocate and this is like he just those last year's crazy yeah every good fine thank you yeah. I hope someone else covers this because I'd love to hear what they can also find. Yeah he's Beyond crazy enough you could do a whole series on one hundred percent. Someone could dive in flowers case like the in the dark. podcast doing really real one hundred percent you guys pick the story up. It's Great Jackie. Are you reading watching listening. Listening to anything I don't know the masters much different than the other day. I am watching a bunch of it's always sunny in Philadelphia. Having a good giggle on rewatching the star. Our wars hoping that I can catch up in time for the movie coming out. Our wars watching star wars yeah Where my reading I had start all started booking. Then I'll put it down and kind of forget where it is. I want to continue to read Under the banner of Heaven Them Book about the fundamentalist Mormons that Krakauer wrote yeah I don't think I'm into any PODCASTS. Right now that aren't memo and talk about how will you I we got Disney. Plus so I've been watching that But on the side of that Kyle had never seen Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I hadn't until like a year or two ago. It's such a good good. That's one with Val kilmer and Robert Out. Yeah Yeah every funny. It's so funny and like Oh my God. It's a dark. Comedy is very good so like one of the most underrated brilliant. It's good movies yeah. It's so good highly. Recommend that that would industry met on. No we've rented it. You know. I should've blockbuster won't continue. If people go. We ordered pizza that I was like well. What are we going to watch? But also next week Is Finals for me. I'm graduating I'm mm-hmm oh I'm also turning thirty on Tuesday. No wait. This is in the future. We're in January you guys. You'll be thirty thirty now. I'm thirty. Now she goes right now. It is is December ninth prerecording But in two days from this date that I am recording. I will be thirty next Friday. I will. We'll be graduating with my bachelor's degree. Twenty twenty it's GonNa be a good year. Yeah well we're recording again I'm so excited it's all coming up. Yeah Yeah that's it for me. Sweep just studying for finals. Wah Wah we got Regal Unlimited for a lot of movies movie right now. No longer recording needed our producer to keep us to take timetable super cushman. Camry makes plans. You keep over you it feel the wrath. Yes yeah I think that's all for me and I guess we'll wrap up you guys. Thanks for listening May.

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Sterling K. Brown

Sunday Sitdown with Willie Geist

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Sterling K. Brown

"Hey Guys Willie geist here with another episode of The Sunday. Sit Down podcast. My thanks as always for clicking and listening along with us my guest this week. It's not a good one. I think Actors Sterling K.. Brown know him of course as one of the stars of the hit. NBC Show. The people have to watch with a full box of tissues. This is us the tear jerker now in its fourth season. An amazing cast of which Sterling K.. Brown is an Emmy and Golden Globe. Winning the member joining me now is always the producer of this fine podcast and the producer of these sterling K.. Brown interview for this week Maggie Law. Hey Maggie before we get to the important business of this interview. Some more important important is we spoke last. Maggie law is engaged. Take a nice walk yes. My eyes are blind reflection in this fluorescent lights lights. Thank you so much thank you. Thank you like me yet your fiance for one hundred years one hundred Actually ten mm-hmm we met at a boarding school and we've been dating since the end of junior year of high school. Yeah so so we share that. Yes Dina beginning junior in high school school right. We did it for a long time. Broke up a little while a little break and then we found each other again. But we'll say we did not have a little break ten years strong and here we are. I'm telling you deep deep roots are good for the marriage. Adulation Cam very excited. And let's talk about our interview Sterling K.. Brown is a guide met a couple of times. Didn't know well L. had really high hopes for the interviews faced on what I know of them is being sort of Like a smart interesting guy but also the serve electric speaker and presence presents exceeded everything. He was electric. I think it's a way to say it. He really I feel like he brought it to the interview. And just the nicest guy you just love when you meet them and they're just so nice and they say hi to everybody in the room just like there too. I feel like he really brought it one of those people. You hope they'll be who you think it was He I think part of that is is that he's earned his place. We talk a lot about this in an interview. He was sort of on this thirteen year grind small roles. TV He says. Look I was happy. Acting was paying the bills. I bought a house right but hadn't hadn't had that sort of big break in Hollywood and then in the fall of two thousand sixteen along comes people that was he'll he won the emmy for that right people versus Oj Simpson. We played Johnny Cochran. That was earlier in two thousand sixteen and then shortly after this is US comes up and that's it really was the crazy thing for I says now things are stupid. Good for always good now. They're stupid again a little background for people. I know you like to paint a picture picture in your mind as you listen to these interviews of where we are where a place called the public theater New York City of famous famous place that so many of the actors adventures every famous actor you know has played a part there started there in New York City And we're upstairs in the library there. Yeah Sterling actually. That's what he asked to do. The interview it's one of his favorite spots. He went to Grad school at Nyu so right nearby and he said when he was in school there everybody dreamed of performing at the public at some point. You always I wanted to do Shakespeare in the park and everything like that. Eventually he got to do a show there. I think twenty fourteen and so he requested to it there that was great spot. And then you'll hear later we get up walk around a little bit in Washington Square Park and very cool moments of a place. He used to walk around dreaming of being somebody right in that business and you draws the crowd we walk in the park and boom like flies to honey came on to Sterling K.. Brown all those. This is US fans. His new film is called waves. It's a lot about fatherhood. He's Kinda Domineering Dad. In this movie he lost his own father in real life at the age of ten To me it was the best moment of the interview. You can listen. NC agree when he started just going into the story of the day. And I will say I in an interview setting. It's hard to sometimes because the lights and there's people around to get lost in the emotion it was as emotional as I remember reviewing really really feeling at that moment he was so first of all. I'm just grateful that anyone would share such a personal story. Absolutely has that with me Of the day his father died and he was ten years old. I have a ten year old son I think part of that hit me ask what would it be like if I left my ten year. Old Son unexpectedly early in in such a sudden way and he remembers every detail the day in he volunteered it. You know it's not something I would ask him to describe because it is so traumatic. which man did he go there? Yeah he did. It was really emotional but it felt special that he was able to share with you and significant. Because it's how he tapped into characters in waves but also in this awesome us a cathartic moment for him able to sort of say goodbye to his dad in a way. So seems were there okay. We've described the enough let Sterling K.. Brown tell the story himself Sterling K.. Brown right now on the Sunday. Sit Down podcast sterling. Thanks for doing this. Thanks for having me great to see a you know we got a Lotta history to talk about you in this neighborhood you in. This theater is my stomping grounds dude. I went to Nyu from ninety eight. Two Oh one I lived if that one asked a place right around the corner and so the public was this fixture like this beacon of when we get out of school. Maybe we'll get a chance to work at the public. Maybe we'll get a chance to do Shakespeare in the park and I've got a chance to work here on a couple of occasions and it's been magical every time I was telling you I've interviewed a number of actors who said I want to do the interview at the Public Theater. What is it about this place that so special for people who don't even know about? There's all these people that come through here right so you know like Meryl Streep Streep is done Shakespeare in the park Leeann have like you said I seen him do hamlet. You see all these actors crews careers you want to immolate and they could be off doing all these fancy movies and TV shows etc.. But they take time to make sure that that muscle of being able to tread the boards never atrophies because they care about the art of illuminating the human condition and that sort of what was embedded in my fiber at Grad School. Oh that NYU and so. It's something that I keep coming back to over and over again. I mean you look at the faces on that wall. It's every major actor you've ever heard of it's all all been here all of them and you too So we'll talk more about that but I said D we're walking in here. It's the highest compliment. I could pay an actor is I didn't know where to begin again with you. You have so much going on right now apprec- but let's start with the film waves. Yeah which is unique and different than anything. I've seen it tells a beautiful story and it really uses music. Well how do you describe this project when you first read it. Did you get what they were going for. That's that's a good question it's hard. It's complicated it. It is complicated because it's a hard movie to describe to people. It's a family drama that focuses more on the children of this family. It's an African American family mother and in a father a son and a daughter in the first half of the movie. SORTA is the sons half of the movie and the second half of the movie you kind of shift narratives and it becomes the daughters journey. There's a major tragedy that happens in the mid point. I'm not gonNA give away But it also is sort of shows is how a family deals with grief loss and how you keep moving forward with with grace and with love In the music is huge. which like even like I said in the script their music cues laid into the script? So you press a button. Listen to a song as you read the scene Our director writer Trey Atwood Schultz had something very specific in mind in the movies autobiographical. I should say and then leaps into narrative fiction and then back in autobiography and then to narrative fiction. Because I say that because he is white right and the movie focuses on an African American family but because he hired Kelvin Harrison junior to play the role of the son in the family because they worked on a film before it comes at night. They sort of collaborated and said like tell me something about your childhood third about your father about what it was like for you to grow up in New Orleans etc and so they combined their narratives and came up with the story together and it was a real collaboration collaboration from the onset And I think we came up with something special. It is unique. It's unlike anything I've seen before you're in a position in your career where you can get a script and sort of decide whether or not it's something that's worth all the time you put into a role. What was it about this story that jumped off the page to you? Okay so I was shooting. This is us at the time and my agent. My manager read the script and he said we think this is pretty special. I was like guys like I got a job on the show. And they're like yeah but check it out. If you like it maybe we can make it work. First and foremost it was something completely really different than Randall Pearson whom I love and Adore. But now that you have the opportunity to not be locked into one character and to be known solely the character I try to take advantage of those opportunities whenever they are offered to me now to keep going with that point about ten years ago there wasn't the same sort of fluidity between film and Television Right and now that it exists. It's like I'm a kid in Candy Star on jump around and play and as many sandboxes as This guy was a father in in waves who is very much present For his family but it is a hard man not the easiest father to get along with and so what. I enjoy the challenge of inhabiting people who aren't readily likable But who are humane. Who are good and my goal is not to be liked but to be understood so I enjoy? Enjoy the challenge of finding someone who people be like. I don't know if I like the student but trying to find his heart and I think the character has a really beautiful journey without without giving too much away I think he recognizes by the end of the film. That the way that he is in the beginning didn't elicit the results that he was looking for so that there is a strength invulnerability that he has to access in order to continue going with his family. Yeah because of the heartbreak he suffers. We won't give away to look at himself again and exacted. I have some role in this. Yes did you bring any of your own parenting. You've got two boys due to this role I imagine it's hard in some ways to separate the way you act as a dad and the way you raise your children from character do bring some. I'm of yourself to it. I think I bring all of myself to every character. I play Different parts of yourself. Come out with different characters. I'd Randall is a Dorka believed. Let's meet and I think I have a sweetness to me And then there's an edge to me as well Please ask my wife when you get a chance. Oh Yeah he's got their times which my son plays flag football and soccer right now right and I'll catch myself just barking that dad. I can be Willie at times that dad but I do it with the hopes of trying to instruct destruct right and there are times when he takes instruction there are times in which he'll stop in the middle of the game and he'd be like can you please be quiet and I'll be like yeah my bad my bad bring it down but like we have a dialogue. I think that's the good thing about it. I came here when I go too far right. And he's I need you to press. Paul I got you can up. There's another layer to that too. which is the other parents that Sterling K.? Brown barking uh-huh. Yeah but most of the other parents barking right. Okay with me all right. Yeah so you're not alone you talked about. This is being a film about loss. Clearly it is grieving you had that in your own family. Obviously when you were a young boy at ten years old on the other side of it how much of that did you bring to this part. I think the whole dynamic of fathers and sons is one that resonates with me and is resonating really strong right now now. My Dad was forty five when he passed away and I was tin and I'm forty three now and I think I knew that that was young young when I was a child but now that I'm two years away from that age I'd I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's painfully young doc And so I I have this desire to sort of carry the old man around with me and infuse him into a lot of the things that I do especially right. Now because he's just very very in the forefront of my consciousness and I saw this relationship between the father and the son on the page and it. It's not a perfect relationship. I think there's parts of it that allow me when you step into somebody who is imperfect you may have been judging them their imperfection as if you are perfect and they should be perfect like you but then when you step inside them in you recognize none of us are perfect and truly believed that all of us do the best that we know how to until we know how to do better. And so there's a part of me that was actually able to forgive Aspects of my dad aspects of other men in my family who were paternal figures because I recognize that the love didn't always feel loving loving but it was love on the less. I know exactly what you mean about the age because when you were ten years old and your dad was so young forty five. He's still dope. Felt like a grown man okay. Maybe that's when people die but when you reach the age you and I are about the same age you go wait a minute. No that wasn't fair. Not at all. Yeah no way to sue way too soon way too sad. I remember. I was the first time I ever saw my mom cry uh-huh because she wasn't a crier I remember like really specific things Waking up that morning winning in going into the kitchen and my mom being on the phone calling the paramedics and asking me to put clothes on my dad because he was naked take it in the bed and his body was stiff stiff as a board and I tried to pull underwear up on him. It was uncomfortable uncomfortable for me. It was uncomfortable for him. He says go get your mom Mama. I go back to the kitchen. Mommy wants you and she got mad at me even even on doing what she wanted but she gets him dressed the paramedics come in and they carry him out and we have a split level house. You have to go down the steps to get to the front door and as they're carrying them out on a stretcher he looks at me over the railing any wings wings came out the door last time I saw Last time I will say this about Sterling Brown Junior. He filled me up with so much. Love Willie I was his only son. My mom has to other biological children from her first marriage and I have an adopted brother and sister sister who when I got twenty five. She's like well. I guess I should start all over again and got a six month old and then my little sister is about a year and a half younger than my little brother. But so I was my dad's kit. Yeah right by his boy and we were tight like I like football because my dad likes football. I like boxing because my dad likes boxing. I Love Movies and Television because my dad loves movies and television and we will watch movies for hours. It was the beginning of. Don't tell mommy watching this. You know what I'm saying you'd watch things uh-huh completely and totally inappropriate. But I would watch. Now I would see the joy that he would derive from it and the joy that our derived from it. And maybe on a subconscious level would be like man. How cool would it be to bring that kind of joy to lots of people because it was transported or both of us and so while the time was short? It was everything that I could have hoped for for ten years either the ten year. Old Son Right now and so the idea of being separated from him and leaving him. That quickly with a wink is unthinkable to. Do you ever think it's unfair. You talk with such love and joy and you find a blessing in it. Sure that it led you to. The career you've found in succeeded in was was there a time though where it made you angry. Oh yeah there's a time I think so from ten to sixteen. I did not grieve my father's death right. I didn't think think that I could cry. I thought that I had to be the man of the House. Like mom is crying. I gotTA keep it together. There's also growing up Christian believing that he was in a better place. Maybe they'd like he'd been sort of unhappy. He lost his job. As a grocery store clerk kroger stores and have been laid off for a few months and I could see learned valuable life lesson what I do and who I am are two separate and distinct distinct distinct things and I have to know who I am first and foremost because of I'm ever taken away. My my job is ever taken away from me. I still need to know my own personal value right and I saw his value just decline and his in his own eyes and his sense of so worth right but so that's six years I was like. Oh He's a better place and you know he doesn't have to be in pain anymore. And then Dan I turned fifteen or sixteen. I just BOO hooed. I can't even really explain it. Like Grief Works Works and funny ways but I just balled and I missed him and I I was acting and I was playing varsity football. And he's like two of his favorite things and he wasn't getting the chance to experience his boy do these things that he loved so much. I felt the the loss riding. And that's when I went by shelby right until I was sixteen and I was just like no. It's time to be sterling. It's it's time to hear that name again because when people call me by that name I get a chance to carry a piece of him with me so there was a period. But I'm a true believer that all things work for good and everything happens for a reason. There's a lesson at all. Well if you look for it right circumstances. Don't define us but our reaction to those circumstances is what matters and so I'm mm-hmm I just take the blessing Brown. I said I had ten good years and I WANNA make sure that my kids have more. You know what I mean. I WANNA make sure my kids Are Eight and four. So he's just two years away so I feel like the template for fatherhood I kind of I got it for the next two years and then after that I'm in a whole new territory take right. We never had the sex talks or anything like that so those things are going to be coming down. I'm like all right. I'll just be making it up as I go. Aw Listen I saw the pictures and men's health. I don't think you're going anywhere anytime soon. You I love the moment when you won your emmy to and you've got to stand on the stage and say some of the things you just said to me to the World About Your Dad. What did that feel like knowing that he in some way inspired you to get to that place where you ended up if it was magical like? That's a it's a magical view that not too many people get to take a stand on this stage and it reminded me of this year. Darrell Jerome One. Best lead actor in unlimited series. Had everybody stood up and applauded for because his performance outstanding and I don't know if I was outstanding not but people stood up and it was this overwhelming moment of Mike. Wow you guys see me as like belonging as has being worthy To be embraced by your peers in that way was really sort of overwhelming moment but but to get a chance to share him and my mom with the world. Yeah yeah that's cool and then also too I know he sought right like I know he was there and he was very very happy. There's no question. Yeah as he sat and watched those movies with you that he didn't much tell your mom you were watching you said. Imagine you'd be one of those people I remember. We want terminator take. Isn't that part of fatherhood than my dad. When I was nine took Beverly Hills Cop? I remember sitting there going. You ensure should be watching this. This is just A. That's it don't repeat any of these words this. I also don't think people realize because you came into most people's lives about three years ago four years ago. If you go back to Jay how long you've been working to get to this point had thirteen years to get to the place where you were standing on that stage age you were grinding. You're out you're famous. Shows shook but you didn't have the lead in the show notes. was there ever a point those thirteen years where you said to yourself. I don't know if I'm going to end up where I thought I was going to end up all right. So is his an anecdote. I did my first series regular was on. FX Show called starved right and it started the same year as it's always sunny in Philadelphia. They both have seasons. Like seven episodes of Peace Belichick A group of People with eating disorders and New York City and I played it Belichick New York City Cop who who had pullover bicycle delivery people on trumped up traffic charges still food is compensation and then binge and purge right one time my through up that I was by myself on a pile of garbage and there was a homeless man sleeping in the garbage and I told him to get a real house. Don't know why it didn't last uh-huh anyways comedy was. It was definitely and and so my mom. My mom watched the pilot and this is a good Christian soldier. Now you gotta I understand. I said I appreciate you watching the pilot. If you don't WanNa Watch anymore I understand and my mother touched my knee and she said I have out as quickly as she could right so so the show goes it's seven episodes. We don't get renewed but always sunny in Philadelphia my man Charlie Day and all those guys go on for like fifteen sixteen season. Yeah crazy we finish the show and my mom goes D. Do you WanNa come home now. I said my I was just a series where I go on a TV show. And she's like yeah but that's showing the one and so she wanted me to turn it in because she didn't think it was gonNA work now. She had expectations as parents often. Do sure I graduated from. NYU Gone to Stanford University for Undergrad and my Grad School. I say God. We spent a lot of money on this degree right. I know there's no guarantees on things working out in any particular way. Can I please pay my bill by bills by doing what it is that I love. If I can do that I call it a wash good. I have paid eight my bills doing nothing other than act since I graduated from school right and everybody has a very different path. Every there's temp jobs in different Kinda on the day job bartending catering etc etc.. I've been blessed to be able to tell stories to pay my bill so that first I thirteen years and change laboring in obscurity was fantastic. I pay off my student loans right. I bought a house I had a son I was married like things were good and then this last four years things have been do so. It's not like I ever anticipate at this moment to happen right but thirteen years with what I thought it it was going to be and that was success right to be able to work at what you love that success. This is just gravy like delicious gravy. I had a great biscuit. Now I'm just sobbing sobbing at is just a super good. You were happy with good. You don't even need stupid good. How was my first job out of school so I moved up to Harlem and now in in New York for nine eleven living in Harlem and a four story walkup and the water pressure got worse? The higher up you went in the building and so i. I took a shower. which was a shared shower for the hall? A Lotta shower in my apartment right. There's three apartments on the hall that all shared a shower. The sketch right and the water pressure was so bad. I had to move my body around this to get my whole embody wet right this furnished room which had one window and I have my little green fan. Everybody knows the little. Oh Yeah I would lay down on top. The bed in my birthday suit does not pornographic I would lay in my birthday suit because it was so hot the summer of one I would get up. There'd be a perfect sweat imprint print of my body on top of the sheep like I would ride the bus up and down one hundred twenty fifth just for a seat right this real target right but the room cost eighty five dollars a week and my first job was at the classical stage company. For Kafka's short story returned operatic called in the penal colony. Right it was directed by Joanna Colitis with original music by Philip Glass and I didn't speak in this role. It was a movement thing right. Just did choreography taking care of this prisoner right. I made three hundred dollars a week for this GIG. I cleared to fifteen and you couldn't tell me I was doing the Duke Man. I was in New York City as a working actor and I could could not have been happier and it's interesting because I think about that time and I've been experienced so much more success and life is incredibly fulfilling and right now but my shoe joy points. I don't know if I've ever been happy. It's interesting too. Don't you think there's something about earning being over those thirteen years where you ended up. I was thinking as you were talking. I interviewed Orlando Bloom about a month or so like this. He graduated from college and the next day was on the set of Lord of the Rings and he didn't have that between an he talked about having to sort of go back and do theater and learn how to become a good actor. You the hat all that training and it was almost like this last four years have been reward for all that work and that apartment you lived in uptown. It feels good like and it also also feels very much appreciated. Yes you know because you know that those moments don't come around like this last four years to be able to go from. OJ To this is us like. It doesn't happen like that for a lot of people and it doesn't happen with great frequency. I'm incredibly appreciative. Of this moment I know so many talented people that don't receive this moment so no it's not a pure meritocracy. You know what I'm saying like preparation meets opportunity. That is luck right but you have to be prepared for it and you have to be presented the opportunity and I got at that and then things changed. So what was the moment for you when things change was it the acclaim you've got for the People vs. OJ Simpson was at the first big pop pop or was it before that or was it. This is us. When did you start to feel like okay? Things are changing for me here I would say onset of Oj We would have the editor would come up to Sarah Paulson and myself and be like you guys are cutting together really nice. Got Some serious chemistry. Thanks Buddy Pretty Shannon Janet graduate enjoying it and then the producers would be like Brown. Just keep doing what you're doing you becoming the height of the series. Sounds like guys this Chris starting like. Nobody likes Chris but he's like no no no for real. Just trust us and I was like okay. Okay I'll keep doing it and I remember going home one day and my wife was giving me a hard hard time because she wanted to go work out and I was trying to work on my lines and can be come sort of Obsessive I go into the garage is and just like locked myself for hours. Just work it and work hitting tie feel like I get it to a place where I want to present it to people. And she's like I need you to come watch. Watch these kids you still father. I know I am but I'm trying to accomplish all right. 'cause I don't don't knows my temper that often and so. She saw that like I was really trying to focus. I I knew something special was in the ether. You know what I mean and when we finished shooting as like I know I've watched some wonderful performances. I I've sat across from Courtney. I've sat across from Sarah and I was like I know that these are wonderful performances if I happen to be in there and their range maybe something could come from this right so as we start to get towards the end and I remember Brad Simpson one of our producers came up to me is don't take another job until after the first six episodes come right like really. He's like trust me. I'd already booked US already. Got A and It is like our but but that was that was a special moment because not only. Do you feel the the confidence of people sort of knowing your work before you SORTA reprove yourself with each job. Like each job's not leading to like like the next great job is just like job job job and it's not like a steps that I go up right after. OJ It it was like steps and it was like people saying what do you WanNa do. How can we be in partnership with you and you like after like just waiting for people I please him? I have small like all of a sudden. They like. We want to work with you. Yeah and you decide. It's crazy and that's a crazy thing because he spent thirteen thirteen years having to prove yourself in every room you walked into. Yeah and now. There's just happy that you showed up in the room with them and they're trying to get you to do their show. Yeah and is it true that on the set ed of Oj. You were working through. This is US already like in getting that audition ready because you knew that could be something special to yeah I was I was I told Paulson I I said I think I found my next job. As he's like you want this I was like yeah. She's like okay right so we'd be sitting at the prosecution table and I'd be reading the script and looking at Rambo's Komo monologue and the pilot when he goes and he costs his father and I was like Ooh this writing is really good and you don't come across a lot of network. Television shows the riding POPs off the page and grabs you but fogelman has a way of grabbing you with his words and so I went in to audition auditions took for meeting with them and I got to gust because I love crazy stupid love my wife and I is one of my favorite romantic comedies and gushed and and he's like yeah. Tell us when you're ready for a year. You know. Come in when you're ready. I was like okay mic prepared and I came in and it went really really well and this is like the room was rooting for you. You know the room doesn't always root for you in my history my experience but now this new thing thing this intangible thing called Buzz you always look at people like. How did I get that buzz? Like where's it. Come from and then all of a sudden you have buzz and it's cool. It feels good. You can feel it when you walk into a room and you can feel the energy. Oh Gee shift in such a way that I can't wait to see what sterling's going to do Rather than being like who write you know what I'm saying like it makes a huge food difference and so you get the part obviously famously. What do you think it is about? This is us that has so connected with people now now in its fourth season the hope of the goodness. That's the word you've used a private family. All those things come together. Why do you think is connected the way it has yes? I think it has because we're disconnected. I think we as a society of various sort of bifurcated on divisive vice. It like it's very hard to have a conversation with people that doesn't frequently lead to an argument Talking about politics or talking talking about just the state of the world you know and this show is something that I think whether you're in a blue state red-state whatever your a religious affiliation like people know recognize and appreciate the importance of family and the show is about family so it's like we get a chance to put put our side our differences for an hour every Tuesday for about eighteen weeks out of the year. And it's not about US versus them. It's this is us right right. And I feel like people sort of defend themselves consciously unconsciously about being attacked or being sort of putting the box and a certain kind of way and now folks just feel sort of like collectively they get to enjoy the experience of this Pearson family and we go through so much we go through adoption. We go through anxiety where you go through dealing with obesity. We deal with so many different topics. The people see themselves in one or all of us in varying degrees. I think there's a certain kind of reassurance and knowing that you're not doing it alone alone right like hey. Randall understands what I'm going through there. Maybe not so bad. You Know Kate and Kevin get it is not so bad it it takes away the isolation and you brings us together. I was shown a beautiful brings people together. There's no no question about it but there are a lot of shows that attempt to do that. Sure right yeah. There's just something different about and I think you're right. There's somebody on the show that everybody can relate you too. Yeah that he's like me she's like me I've been through that thing and there's also at the heart of it loss. Yeah they're again. They're they're shows up again. was that something you were able to tap into this show as well absolutely. Yeah I mean yeah absolutely you know. Rando has two dads that he's lost yeah And with William in particular of my biological father a soon as I saw knew that story arc was going to be. It's sort of presented me with an opportunity that I didn't have when I was ten and I was an opportunity to say goodbye I to be present at the crossing over of of my father founded Strangely Cathodic Right Ron Safest Jones who is a brilliant brilliant actor from New York City who has worked at this theater as well and a beautiful soul it was a joy to play with him and sort of the parallels between Randall. In in sterling I was able to access in real direct way. I with regards to say goodbye to William kind of like Megan a chance to say goodbye Sterling Sterling Brown Junior And some things just meant to be. I was meant to be random you know. I'm sure other people would have done a wonderful job with it right. That's what I'm saying like I'm the it was just meant for me. It's impossible to imagine anyone else there. Now obviously yeah. Yeah so I. It's it's cool to catch you in this moment where things are going so well for you. I'm curious Korea. How you're handling on the celebrity front your wife? How she handling it? When you're on the cover of magazines and everybody knows you walking down the street and and I imagine we talked about your acting foundation the foundation of your relationship that she's known you are long before the Game Brown Odell Celebrity? So how are you you handling that as a couple and a family one day at a time art it's interesting Celebrity is interesting even using the word is difficult. Yes right it's like yeah I guess so right. I think of myself as an actor because of what I've been able to accomplish as an an actor I've I've gained celebrity Nothing kills peripheral vision quicker than celebrity and what I mean by that is is new. York City is one of the great places in this world to people watch right so many different people at necessities race creed color etc it's Cetera and you just watch fascinating people all the time until everybody's watching you and then you get book. Right I've put on on hoods I've put on hats and it's not because I feel ungracious. or or anything like that but you still a regular human being. That's trying to accomplish rush things through your day right and no one knows that like no one sees you as a regular human being anymore. They're just like Oh oh right not so much in New York and La but it still happens. Yeah right in Middle America and Saint Louis where I'm from. Oh Man. It's hard to go to the mall. I it's hard to go to the mall and so there is a fight for normalcy for me in particular for my I children. Yeah right so I had to establish a couple of things I no longer take pictures. When I'm with my family? One day I was at church and some people what really big fans of the show. They started queuing up. Can we take picture. Yeah yeah sure no problem. No problem as Andrew my oldest. I said. Would you hold daddy's jacket. Andrew took my jacket through it on the ground stopped on it and I was a boy. Did I do something like what's going on. He goes well. You just stop doing what you're doing with me so you could take pictures with these people so I guess they're more important strangers. Yeah and as I Lord have mercy this kid kid hits you like people underestimate the intelligence of children on an emotional intelligence level. You shouldn't oh yeah because they know what's going on. I said I will never do it again. He's like whatever say the picture I was like. No I won't do it again so the next time that we were together we were getting off a plane and these really nice people were like. We didn't bother you on the plane but really big fans of the show where they are. If I took a picture is at Sei. I'm with my family and when I'm with my family they don't take pictures. Could you take a handshake hugging stat. And they were really cool and my son looked at me and he said he remembered. I said I got your back Akbra like you deserve all the things that I had as a child that you take for granted being able to go to a park and kick it with your dad right. Every kid is entitled to that Without Their Dad. Being the center of Focus Right right and so you find the balance. You're like hey nice to meet you. Thank you for the love. I appreciate you now to give back to my kids right. It's interesting my wife is much more gracious gracious. Because she's a lesbian as well and so she's she's she lives and she looks people like even though I think big you this nice dude you all this. And all that America's daddy they don't even know and I'm like I know I try to tell them but they will believe the public unwanted already. Here's who he really is already has but it is. I don't know what I thought it was gonNA feel like On the dude who likes to go to the VON's and the tea and to trader Joe's or whole foods or whatever and do my shopping and I still do I fight for it right and what it means. Is I knowledge you I see and I say thank you and I just try to keep it you. You know what I'm saying. Sometimes I'll put on headphones. Just the black things out a little bit have had people like tap on my headphone. How out? Yeah no touching right people will grab Scher especially because you come into their homes and they feel like they know you right and it's like I get it I'm not I'm never ungracious. Because I do know what it's like to meet someone that you're fan off and they blow you off and it's the worst feeling and I'm not GonNa put that don't anybody so it's my responsibility to be as cordial as I can in the moment right and also to get back to my family. That's a good way to handle it. Yeah finding that balance one of the great things about being the position. You're in now is your production company. Yes that you get to take stories and lift up people who may not otherwise have a platform or voice. Why is that been so important to you? Very few people are afforded the opportunity turning to start a production company. You know it's not like I'm GonNa Start Right like there's there's opportunities that are presented to you and and you feel obliged to take advantage of them because you know how much help was needed in order for you to get to where you are right and if I can make it each year for someone else coming up behind me to get their story out. There we complain about. Diversity is an actor. I've been like how come there's not more roles rose for black men black women et Cetera et Cetera. Now the way in which you saw that and fix that is you have to have as many storyteller tellers behind the camera putting those stories out there right so it's not about just what's happening in front of the cameras. What's happening behind the cameras? Well and if I really have a problem problem with diversity in Hollywood and I have an opportunity to be a part of the solution. Then it's my obligation to take advantage of that opportunity right. Ah So my production company Indian metals is named after my neighborhood in Saint. Louis Missouri were working class African American neighborhood. Where I came came from and I carry with me everywhere that I go and in order to me be successful like I can never experience that disconnect? I feel like some people win. They've become celebrities. Sort of be like all right now. It's time for for me to be a new person right as the person. I am as the person who got me here like my sort of accessibility. I like people people like I really like people and just because people sometimes can kinda bombard me I was like I get it there. There've been sweet or whatnot but I still like you. I still love you so I gotta hold onto that so naming the company named it just reminds me like this is who you are. This is where you came from throb. Don't forget don't forget in terms of the stories that I wanNa Tau of marginalized people that are sort of relegated to the sidelines sometimes uh-huh but it's changing right and we're seeing more people of Color Front and center More Minorities Front and center and I just want to be a part of intelligent intelligent diversity in storytelling right. I'm looking for that black sleep back saying like I like the things that excite me that seem to be relegated aided to just mainstream like how do we make sure that we put a little bit of color into that as well. So that's what and what a legacy to leave right if if this goes on for a long time and so expect it will to watch somebody grow up on the opportunity you gave them and be sitting in a chair like this someday. Oh Dude is somebody we like comes is like yeah I remember. I did this India Meadows action and that was my first chance to do something that would mean the world. That'd be bigger than any acting GIG that I had had an acting is what I love but to be able to provide opportunity for other people. That's that's something that special. I think about Andrei brower. Who won the Emmy before me The actors that have come before the Denzel is the Paul Robeson Ozzy Davis's it's Cetera like these guys giants that endured Paul Robeson did Othello on Broadway and could not go to A.. CAST dinner with his cast because of segregation right like these dudes endured all of this so brown can get up and make people cry the good damn good job of it pretty you dave firsthand. My wife crying constantly that will will you lead me into the next thing I was gonna ask you about. which is the fact that you were historic actor? I mean you mentioned Andrea Been Nineteen Years Since an African American actor had won that award and then Golden Globe the EMMYS. You are a historic actor. You stood on that stage. You weren't just the latest guy to win. Best actor in a drama you you were the first to do something d stop and think about that as part of your legacy or is that just too much right now too much. Yeah it's way too much. It's way too surreal. Yeah because like I was supposed to happen a long time ago. Right Jackie. Robinson did this a long time ago like it's twenty nineteen twenty eighteen or seventeen. When it happened? I was like I I stuff is still happening. Like I never thought I'm not the dude who's on at the avant-garde or like at the forefront of like movements per se. I'm a guy who deeply loves everything that he does. And so when I was told for the Globes in seventy five years at that time I was the first African American male to win. Best lead actor in a dramatic series. He's for SAC which is only twenty five years or something like that but the first house. I oh gosh like this isn't happening is. Is this me. It dawns on me from time to time like I have a place in my office which is in the back of my house and the awards on a couple of different book doc shows and from time to time I look at them I I I won this stuff right is really cool away anyway. I never anticipated winning any of this stuff and to be the first of anybody to do something I feel. Ill equipped to be the first. I I feel like I should be much more articulate Much more sort of militant. I don't know like I feel like the the first of the people they prepared to be the first like you know you have those conversations with branch rickey and you're like this is what it's going to be like. Nobody talked to me like Oh trophies. It's me yeah well I promise I won't keep your all day but I can't let you go without asking about a couple of huge projects coming up frozen. Yeah I mean come on being a part of one. The biggest movie franchises. Yes I have children. Yes believe me a play on a loop in my head all these years later. How cool is that to join that? It's amazing I took my oldest to see the first frozen and he's a boy with very boy like energy. So when I would play the soundtrack form he just I want to hear the first song over and over again and the first song is like they're gonna be the guys that like chop the ice board of cold and winter rare and mountain ring him. I mean it's always say. Wow that's another talent. Yeah but I wanNA hear you wanNA build a snowman. He's like no way I so Savimbi now the names where he can go and like appreciate the daddies in it and my old my youngest is four and he's GonNa love it like he's just got a sensitive if Seoul That sort of built for these things like the first movie that he got a chance to see. All the way through was cocoa. He made it through cocoa and he loved it. Yeah Yeah and I've seen BITs and pieces of frozen functions just as much as like an action adventure or more like an action adventure than anything else. So it's got something for the ladies. Because we have our heroines that are at the forefront of the story but like the boys who have boy energy did you. They're gonNA be riding this ride just as hard as anybody else so I don't get they. Don't get a chance to see a lot. The daddy does so. It's nice when they can see something that he does and vied it perfect yeah. For that age they're right in it right and then the other project I've asked about is the marvelous. Mrs Mazel. Yeah which if the story is true in the speaks to where you are in your career you were like I want to be in that show. And they're like yeah. You can be in that show. And that's not the way it happened Kinda really. I shouted out Rachel's I go. There's ever a way that could be on your show drop in like wreak some havoc house fund. Let me know. And she's like we would love love to have you and then the Palladino reached out to me and they're like we've written this role. We don't really see anybody else doing it other than you. Please come play with US RIGHT AS I. You you kidding me I. I've put it out there and it's happening Omega. It's amazing the You living in that Harlem apartment uptown you can just say. Call somebody and say I want to be on. That show would freak out if you knew that story. Even though I have no idea like having just be happy for you three hundred a week partners you living high off the hog as it is get back on that bus for the exact now. 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I Love I would cut through any excuse that could cut through Washington Square Park. Yeah always took. It might get offered a few things. He hadn't heard of before experience. I think so the West fourth stop is over that way until we get off on West fourth line lived in Brooklyn and cut through here to get to school and just talk about people people watching you know what I mean like. This is a place where you watch until everybody's doing yeah. This is a good moment because years ago. Yeah you're at school walk. earpiece Lynn Watch other people absolutely and now everybody in this park is watching you. I think it's Kinda crazy. Yeah it's Kinda crazy every once in a while I fool myself into thinking that I'm still an incognito but I've never met but then there's like people stop and they pull out the camp I guess I guess not anymore. Ah Judging by the number of cameras. I don't think our nine anymore. What do you what do you feel though when you come back to New York and get to walk around and revisit some of these places that were so foundational for you? I remember the post that the city offers right like it's a city that has heartbeat right. And you start start to walk differently. I move faster with like a sense of purpose when I'm New York City and I love that hustle right in. La is just kind of like you you sitting in your car and you're talking on your phone and your chilling but like you won't pin the people to like whereas in La. You have to plan tonight people right but you can just walk around like yeah. Oh Oh really what's going on because it's a walking culture your access to people you feel more connected yet in New York City the you do anywhere else in this country. Yeah subway to subway. I'll do that all the time. And my publicist freaks out is like why is he taking the subway. Because it's my right eye the people I can take the subway anytime I want to. He he freaks out of I go for a walk. Like I'm putting my hood on. It's GONNA be okay. I do feel like you said this. Poor New York's a little bit better though like they might just give you like what's what's up walking. They'll keep walking. Hey love you on the show exact. Thanks a lot appreciate it. It's pretty easy here and see famous people on the subway all the time now and they don't get messed up that's right so it's it does give you a bit more latitude but I'm always surprised especially for this as us. You think people are more jaded or not so cool like they're more cynical in New York this huge fans everywhere yes ever shows. I got a really beautiful father and do you get the tears in person they come up. Do they see you. They remember episode. I WanNa talk about the show. I'll get to hear some person and then also so just get can i. Can I hug you and I'll be like yeah. I'm down for the hug and we just squeeze it. Sometimes they hold on. I was like all right again. 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 197: Is your brand and its content binge worthy? A chat with Sterling McKinley

Christoph Trappe: Business Storytelling Podcast

26:09 min | Last month

197: Is your brand and its content binge worthy? A chat with Sterling McKinley

"This is the business storytelling podcast with Christopher. Tra- available on Google, spotify apple and Dora and other podcast channels want to play it on your iphone. Just ask Siri to play the KRISTOF trap business storytelling podcast also available on Alexa. Here's Kristoff today's episode. Business Storyteller Christoph, trap, your host, and author of contents performance culture. Now, available content performance that come in today I'm going to talk about binch worthy content bench, worthy branding, of course bench. binging anything comes in the context of watching something on. Netflix or. Whatever Amazon, prime video, and of course who wouldn't want their content their branding to be binge. Worthy. So who better to ask to come on the show as sterling McKinley, he's the author of the Book Bench Worthy Branding available on Amazon and everywhere else. You can actually just go to see trapped out online forward slash binge. Worthy. That will director Amazon. Easy to find that way where you can just search for sterling how's it going today I'm doing great. Thank you for having me. So, happy happy to have you on the show. So tell me what prompted you to think about The branding and what is that? Yeah. Well it's kind of a funny story. So I'll start off last year before the pain doing kit I was traveling from state to state and from country to country giving a talk and the talk I was giving called the feature of digital marketing a analytics. Automation and you know something just stuck I mean the talk win win great every hour. Go the crowds will be incredible. People be sitting on the floor and the aisles when I was done talking I had a receiving line of dirty forty people it was it was amazing and you know that went from city to city it just dawned on me like, wow, if people are responding this much to it, I should take everything not talking about putting in a book format so. That's kind of how I started next title been worthy. was kind of a a mistake I remember one day I was in the car, my wife driving in. A commercial. Commercial Kim on about something about binge watching TV or something like that. I said wow binge worthy and Kalaheo said you know we all WanNa make our brands been worthy. So the book I talk about how Amazon Netflix the starbucks are binge worthy brands, and by then I mean they create experiences are so engaging that are so enticing there. So customer focus their customers come back again against their brand. So thing about Amazon Amazon during this dependent lockdown is going up there making more money you know every I go outside my wife has another package coming you know because why? Because they're easy to do business And thinking about Netflix y'all are home watching a show. We know how there's a plan to watch one show and then want show becomes two, three, four, five full. You know what a whole season has gone. and. Then you know I think about starbucks. You Know People's Coffee Addiction Standing Alana works for twenty minutes. Why good you need the coffee and it's more than about coffee it's about the experiences starbucks after so offers. So the book about how to take some of those same principles about how to use. The personal brand to really build greater engage with your customers can once again when you being more personal when you talk to your customers as individuals neither group That's to create a real by that's going to help them come back to you again and again. Help digital marketing for your small to medium-sized. Reach out now and drop us a message, sc trap and G. Mail. Sterling not just your wife we get back. You're like every day from Amazon sometimes, I don't know that I even. Slave right. Super easy to deal with right. And more the Dunkin donuts got even though they're line is getting much longer. Well. So. But how do brands and then I'm thinking on the content side what brand comes to my mind who's been toward the end you know last year I, have to say this. Yeah I'm not doing any traveling really because the colon right everybody to stay. Or a lot of people are but last year I binge consumed the points guy appoints guy dot com I mean it was just like nonstop travel content, right? And other than that like how what brand comes to mind or how can brands. Stay in front of people and be actually binge worthy. Yeah well, you know I think it's easier than we think he would. Be So I mean there are a lot of brands think about chick-fil-a think about apple thinking about Disney Nike visa brands that always seem bid the forefront and I think it comes down to a few things that come out to wanted telling you a story. And not just telling a story but stunning story that really resonates with your wish assume it's so. These brands have become icons. Why? Because they more than your product? Damore just to service they become. Part of our lives. So you know in the book I talk about about Ai and AI is simply a tool. Multiple. And you say I think of the Terminator off the Matrix. Caves Hyphen robots and. That's just not true hopeless not but you these are just computer programs that can analyze information in data and find trends. That's it. Simply, just a tool. So you know one thing I do in this book, it trying to break down and say, Hey, is not this Gary Technology go take your job in. Your Life, but it's the tool and you know think about it every day we're using a power software thing about Google maps thing about watching that flakes think about shopping on Amazon, thinking about the the nest thermostat in your home these all tools using some form A. I. Think it's really really simple. We think about it and these tools are using a what kind of track our behavior the try to get an idea what we're doing and Affleck's new age. Now where instead of guessing what your customer wants said guessing, what they're doing is they're trying to go through tons and tons of data. You can use a our power software to help you analyze that data injured, you trends that. Your customers react to. So I think it's all about that, and then it's about taking those trends and then building those trans back into your marketing back into your branding. So. One thing I tell them on my book is personalization. For years even now people still think that personalizing emails having the city in the state. That's not enough customers of smart that now they can tell when the custom wouldn't accompanying using a software that seems robotic in assuming my email every day it's it's not real but I think a couple must do now is take that data that we're getting from analytics that we're getting from software, Ambil bill that end. So now your email should be more personal they should be talking to that person likes, and once again in the book I, go back to example of Netflix. Net flicks. Is Tracking our past viewing. Behavior and then showing the shows. US shows that are based on that past behavior. So I think companies have back this saying way stop guessing start using the data analytics idea of what their customers may like. It. You know it's interesting but I mean everybody's always worried about any technology taken your job. So really quickly I use automation daily and I'll tell you one thing if I had to ever change my title I would say I would call myself a supervisor of automation. Because even though it's automated, you still have to look exact whether it's doing it correctly whether whatever and the other thing is when it comes to net flicks. you know I like it I binge watch stuff on there. But it's not always correct. Yeah. Sometimes, it says roughly seven percent match and I'm like what I have not show. And, sometimes, it tells me to Walk Watch something, House that's ninety eight percent on. That's a chick flick run. I don't I don't like to watch them ever right right. So don't be too worried about that. But so how can how can people use a? What's the easiest way in the door to to use that to make your your brand bench? Worthy Right. Well, I think it depends what you're trying to do. So you know, I, like to say they I is not out about solution is not a one size, fit all an to say a can make mistakes he can't be off on the can't happen but Nacional book to that is not a set in forget it technology. You can't just buy the software Aaron no hit start and you'll change your business. It doesn't work that way it's good to give you information. Like. You just said you have to check that data to make sure that it's not biased that it makes sense for your customer. So The gift site I really say this find out what do you want to do? So I if your company that's new day I, it can be very scary intimidating you probably hearing something really big lackey in the press Lucien lack. Like I, Watson, Ibm Watson, something like that. So then called the tunnel money but I see start small say you know what? Hey, we have email campaigns. Let's use a I power email software that's going to help us increase aversion rates. That's easy way to start I think start starting small so your email if social media. Must again you know we can guess all day what content is going to work best. For audience or we can look at our analytics that are within. Our software like. INSTAGRAM and facebook. Or something like who, sweet, that's GonNa tell us what are the trends what are people responding to what times a day or the content, and then once again, take that information and build back into your marketing. So it really starts out how do you WANNA start? How do you WANNA start? You have a website. ECOMMERCE, you know the oldest ecommerce every homepage with the same, but you think about. Amazon that's kind of the game. Now, with I'd rather them they have a homepage that changes based on your behavior based on what you bought, what you saw so that same type of software is available for a smaller company. Would you can have a website if you're saw in commerce that changes based on? Your visitor based on logging information. So A it's like, I, say a Swiss army knife, what do you want us to do? I, Say I define your what would you want to do and then there are tons. There are hundreds of thousands of great software out here. Some that. Yes. In the process lucians in some a lot that are affordable that you can imply I. Think the first step is finding out exactly what he you to do. So we actually had a very good points We had the founder. Of, Raza Data I o on the show and check that out our ASA DOT IO. There's an episode. Back were almost two hundred guys if you haven't noticed stat so super excited about that. How many episodes we've had. An older awesome guests on there. But anyway so that's that technology. It's basically a I in email marketing right and what it does and you can listen to the show but really quickly. What it does I say this is the pool of content that I want you to draw from, and sometimes it's my content. Sometimes, it's other websites that it would link to, and then you have calls to action with the amount and then based on what the software knows about the audience and their behavior it sends them different emails, right? And so super easy to implement. Theoretically and I don't know what the price point is but there are tools out there that allow you to do that. What other tools sterling are you aware of that people should use or or what else email you mentioned Thad how about the website? Are there things on the website people should focus on when it comes to that or or what's the? What's the next logical step typically? Right for your website, I would say getting a chat is a really really important. So you know when a customer comes to website, they're ready to buy, and if they have to send email and wait for a response, they're not gonNA stop looking for another company got to go back to Google and they're gonNA do another search for another company and then you get back to. You you may still get them, but you know when somebody comes through website they already in their act. So I think chat bots are amazing There's automated chat bots, the economy just give basic information, and then there's power chat bots have more conversations so I think that's key there really captured those conversations were happening you something like like facebook they have a great shot buys well that you can integrate into your website. So I think for your website a chat Bot is a great way to go to really integrate I a into your into your website and I think you know we're talking about a guy we're talking about being personal but I it all comes back to. Having a awesome customer experience and you know I like to say that the new battlefield customer experience that's what it's all about in a guest people buying products and services. Yes. Companies competing brands by how your customer experience how is it houses for me to do business with your company. So I think really now you know consumers have been. In the way spoiled by companies like Amazon starbucks Netflix Chick-fil-a. They're expecting that same level of observers of being responsive from your brand so Like companies now are kind of force to really upgrade what they're doing. So I think chat bots are a great way to offer that that real time interaction with some is ready to interact with your company. And you know. See this is what happens when you got one hundred eighty episodes right already done we did have the drift content on the show. So drift actually is a champ by company and what's interesting about that is they're calling it conversational marketing. So take a listen to that and it's super interesting It's it's in the feet of course, and you know I know I keep mentioning it. It's also now available on Pandora Pandora podcast. And of course, all the other channels. So it's really here's my question for you. So I I'm trying to think, okay who am I been? Consuming right like what brand and things come to mind I mean apple I guess right I got. Air Pipe Rosen who recording on my iphone I got my head in front of me. I do actually have a computer screen Al Laptop, but not actually using them for this purpose. You know, and now now I recently my my own I Apple Watch broke. So Use Delta Airlines points to get a new one. But I want I want it that right I wanted the the Apple Watch not just another watch So am I binch consuming apple or is that not the definition? Yes I believe. So I mean, I think I've been thinking consuming large off content or services in a short period, but you know when they are really saying the book that is about. A relationship your customers and relationships aren't they only lasted day they'll last week or month their long-term. So I think what companies like Apple Awesome. They've critic ecosystem where there's I, tombs or Cloud or IPAD I MAC iphone everything and they keep you in that system. So yeah, you know what? I'm only by a MAC book every couple years. But so what I'm still in the system, I'm still using their platform so. You doesn't have to be lucky person everyday from company, but it's all about customer loyalty. So. You know all I by our MAC books are map pros. I had a few experiences in the past with PC's they data me from that day on you know what? I'm going straight without Max and I never left him since then so time I've only bought a link three new Max but once again, that's customer loyalty because you know thinking about thinking about apple and this is at companies have to be different in they have to be big on customer service right now there are so many different companies, online the great companies but my opinion, they have terrible customer service so good. A website is no phone number there chat Bot but guess what the Chat Bot is not man. So you gotta putting information hopefully three to six days somebody get back to you. You know sometimes I have a problem with my camera my came the camera I use a court, my podcast that's broken I. Wish I could cost the money in real time I. Wish I could go somewhere and talk to a real person. But apple has been called the genius bar she you know about and they had saved my but many times. My appeal was dead which I thought. You know what their talked face to face with a real person. They were able to take my appear in the back. You know I waited electronic store in Boston thing I didn't need and Loma holiday fix my laptop and not fixed it most simply fix it was free because it was still under warranty. So you know that's what I mean by that loyalty I don't buy a map book every day I don't need to, but I'll pay the higher price for their their computers because I know that last not only anomaly of they last I know they have support they have a problem I can call them I can text them I can email them to store or not back open. You know that's the kind of thing that builds customer loyalty an. I, think about if you're going into mall. When Moslem think. The, apple stores always crazy I mean you walk by and you lack man are the giving away free computers people are just in there. Why? Because apple had that strong brand people know they're getting a great piece of machinery at now in looks great that performs well and Apple. Once again to the great job of telling that story through the commercials, were there the website through the email everything once again, I'm drawn back again and again to apple because they have a really strong. Brand, and they have really good customer service. And what's interesting to just because we're been consuming any brand doesn't mean we have to love everything about him. I'll give an example this podcast you know, of course, it's distributor on all the different channels. Google. PODCAST spotify apple breaker or whatever it is the those are the ones and. A lot of traffic comes from apple podcasts. Here's the thing. I think it's the worst experience I think is like sticks I think it's terrible I don't use it. I Google podcasts at love that APP. So I hate that but then on the flip side I, I love play can say with any of these things go off. You know I could just go hey, Siri play the business storytelling podcast and they play it off the apple podcast right still. So interesting you know not everything has to be so black and white when you think about consumption, can we let's shift to? Content the content brand produces I mean part of bench worthiness also comes back to are you engaging with the brand right I? Mean you look forward to getting their content I mean is that How do brands do that? How do brands create stuff? That's not just superlative Vladan. Marketing Gobbledygook right. That's a great question ob us now for. Example you know once again, thinking about the home screen, you think about shows like orange in new black or think about shows like like now. They have live show stranger things thirteen reasons you know they'll destroy the bigger shows but you know if net flex looks at their their data, their customer and they got fine popular customers lack of show. They don't guess like traditional TV studios do movies do they don't guess was going to be a team show they look at the data and this I, know what we're finding Say Five hundred people the light to see strong female leads in a show the to show that are based in the city have a happy ending and they like seeing this actor actress they didn't take that data in a build a shore around it. So in a sense, they're billing content that's almost guaranteed to succeed. Now, sometimes, it doesn't the content phosphide, his face, but sometimes, the content does right well, why because? Before they start creating content, they looked at their customer said Hey. Our customers lack this less give him that. So that's what I mean. By Watson earlier, Stop Stop guessing you know we lose in a time now where Do to a technology with digital social weakened track so much on our customer. So we don't have the guest anymore. We should be recommending in creating content around that so. I want what you do that you kind of increase that radical slumped in. The person says, wow, the content that Iranian they showed this video. This song is based around what I already wanted while I'm already thinking about. So then I'm going engaged more with the content. So I, think that's a great way. Once again, going back to using a going back to looking at analytics looking at your data because it could tell you what topic you can create. So for a business, let's think about it. Okay fine you WANNA create content. Next question. What type of content is could be podcasts is it could be video is going to be white paper figuring that out but you figured out by looking at your website see what gets More is it the videos? The podcast is pediatrics whatever. So take the information, your customer, and then bill back in to your marketing branding. So once the I think we have to the aspect of creating content for our customers don't just sit down and computer does right article. You can do that and you can hope that a succeeds or you can have an idea. You can say, let me check I and the customer base life designed did been create content around that and I think that too is going to cut down on a huge problem. Our tiling is waste I. believe companies are spending millions in May the dollars per year. Creating by commercials bulletproof content that doesn't resonate with the customers when they go to step back and do the data do the groundwork first thing I'd say create that content that has almost guaranteed to succeed why because they know for a fact that people are resonating with that content? Of course, that's a cancer. Talk by lengthening content performance DOT COM guy. So check that out. If he still haven't gotten your copy, it's been sold in Asia Europe North and South America social listening on. Australia do me favor get your copy please so we can hit all the cabinets You know the one thing that sterling that I really think they need to add on net flicks is how sad you are when you're done watching twelve episodes working moms or whatever, and there's some shows it's like yeah, whatever. But there's some shows you know I'm done watching I was like that's it like I've watched thirty nine hours of the show role. Very. So like how do they measure that right that you know how do I feel when I'm done? Maybe. They look at the time in between the episodes I don't know very interesting discussion Certainly, it's easier said than done to create content. That's the bench. Worthy. Checkout Sterling spoke see trap that online bench worthy. It's all lower case. pushes you over to the Amazon Amazon page other than that Sterling Working People find you can people connect with you? Yes, I'm a website on sterling dot com is a great place. Also I'm all the major social media channels on facebook instagram twitter. Link Dan if you go to any of those platforms and you type in Sterling Mckinley, you can find me there in the best way to connect with me. Fantastic thanks for joining us and thanks for sharing your insights today. Great having. Thanks, everyone for listening. Until next time. Appreciate your taking time to listen to the business storytelling podcast.

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THE STERLING AFFAIRS Part 2: The Opposite of Showtime

30 For 30 Podcasts

49:32 min | 1 year ago

THE STERLING AFFAIRS Part 2: The Opposite of Showtime

"Thirty for thirty podcasts brought to you by onstar vehicle theft. Most of us think it's something that happens to someone else but if it ever does happen to you onstar can help on star has stolen vehicle slowdown on star advisers can work with law enforcement to locate and remotely slowdown your vehicle so that authorities have the chance to apprehend the crook who took your car on star can help get your vehicle back quicker and safer if vehicle theft happens to you turn to onstar because at a moment like that the last thing you want to be alone. Get on star on your team today. Onstar be safe out. There onstar is available on chevrolet buick. G._m._c. and cadillac requires select paid plan so reception g._p._s. signal and working electrical system doesn't prevent theft damage or loss details at onstar dot com. There was only one franchise i would have ever contemplated buying the san diego clippers. I'm looking at it like i look at other investments. As something over the long term will be enormously valuable and i mean this sincerely. If somebody offered me thirty thirty million dollars for the franchise i wouldn't sell it because i think ultimately one day it will be worth that. That's donald sterling in nineteen eighty one right after he bought his basketball team. The san diego clippers the sale that started this whole thing in motion but donald sterling's purchase that the clippers uppers never would have happened not for different n._b._a. Sale two years earlier jerry buss paid sixty eight million dollars for the forum and look look what comes with it the pro basketball lakers and professional hockey's kings because what many people don't know is that before giving los angeles. It's worse basketball team and donald sterling helped. Give it its best. This is episode to the opposite of showtime. <hes> in june of nineteen seventy-nine. A man named jerry buss stood on the brink of making one of his wildest dreams. Come true bus was a self made guy a kid from rural wyoming with a p._h._d. In chemistry who ended up making his money in l._a. Real estate but what jerry buss really loved sports arts and he'd had his heart set in the los angeles lakers for years. The owner of the team jack kent cooke was going through a messy expensive divorce divorce that was forcing him to sell the team bus and a group of investors made an offer and cook accepted but at the very last minute thus ran into trouble sure enough just a few days before the scheduled close bus calls cook and ask them for an extension at tells you the pound sand alan rothenberg was jack kente cooks lawyer. The clock was ticking and buster's running out of options. One of his investors investors had backed out and he needed cash to he said the jury head to wealth it was all tied up these complex real estate limited partnerships ships but they didn't have cash and that's when jerry buss the man who would eventually changed the face of the n._b._a. Sports en los angeles made a desperate phone call just hours before the closing deadline. The phone rang donald sterling's beverly hills mansion. It was one o'clock in the morning on the other end of the phone own was jerry buss. The two men weren't necessarily close but the circle of rich real estate guys in l. A. in the late seventies was only so big. Mike buss donald sterling was a self made man from humble beginnings. Donald was a kid from boyle heights. One of east as poorest neighborhoods sterling had it used the money he'd made as a personal injury lawyer to get into real estate but unlike bus who bought and sold button soul tying money up in loans and mortgages donald had never sold anything. Just get caught in these rents. The cash was rolling in this is what it came down to the highly leveraged gilgal by calling the cash-rich landlord to bail him out only true to form. Donald didn't want to be a part of the deal. He wanted to make a deal he wanted to buy. Some jerry's real estate holdings shelly sterling remembers jerry buss came over to their house just hours after that middle of the night phone call and the two men went to the bank eight o'clock in the morning comes to the door and i don't even think the bank was opened well. Those are certainly not donald sterling hours or my hours then they went to santa monica so donald could pick out eleven of jerry's buildings to buy. We bought a lot of the buildings from jerry in exchange exchange for the money that don headland them. Basically donald was jerry's banker. This moment is not one that most angelenos knows what expect the public impression. Jerry was used a high liver. They thought he was richest could be donald operated. They figured this guy couldn't rub two nickels together this difference french between the to hold onto every cent versus spend every cent would shape basketball in los angeles for decades in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine after owning pro tennis team bus purchased the lakers the l._a. Kings the forum and a large ranch from jack kente cook for sixty seven and a half million dollars and why did he make the investment. It's as simple as the song that is played after every laker home fiction. I i love l._a. City and myself were sold eight and suddenly thanks to donald sterling all all is in los angeles where on jerry buss standby sports look the show that goes beyond the scores and headlines of the the sports world roy firestone with these sports interviewer of the day the host of sports look why firestone award winning journalist named in sports illustrated foyer was there the day that jerry buss became the new owner of the los angeles lakers. I interviewed bus the first day. He looked at me and he said i can't believe what a fan i am of kareem sima dual jabbar and i'm going to be the owner first thing. I'm gonna wanna guess kareem's autograph. I still vividly remember he had the open wing shirt with jules anywhere blue jeans blue jeans and cowboy boots and it brioni sports coat that costs thousands of dollars the perfect embodiment of wyoming cowboy in l._a. Hustle well. I grew up in the town of two thousand people so since the forum seat seventeen thousand five hundred. I was very excited. Everybody left the forum to go home that night. I lighted a cigarette in the middle of the basketball court and i thought wow i've really arrived. Jerry buss loved the lakers he loved the n._b._a. But it wasn't the league. It is now in those days. This was a league that was in peril. Will the ratings were in the toilet to give you an idea. How lower case the n._b._a. Was seventy nine. I remember vividly the n._b._a. Finals also on tape delay tape delay in los angeles. They play it at eleven on. This is the n._b._a. Finals now you think the billion dollar packages they have with e._s._p._n. And a._b._c. a._b._c. well it was a different world forty years ago the n._b._a. Was such a lower case. League that was all about to change and handle lakers irvin magic god that lady the lakers just taken a flashy point guard named magic johnson with the number one pick in the nineteen seventy nine draft and that first year jerry magic in the lakers won a championship. It's over and the most valuable player is budget jackson. Forty two points fifteen rebounds seven owner talk to jerry buss. Magic johnson formed an instant and lasting bond. The kind of player owner bond rarely seen in sports magic once told me he'd get up on saturday mornings and go over to jerry's house and then they drive together to u._s._c. football game so jerry can watches alma mater. It was more or than a friendship they became family. They genuinely loved each other but jerry also seemed to understand that investing in that relationship and all relationships relationships would pay off. Jerry buss looked at his city and his team. It's something nobody else bizarre. Show fast paced dazzling magic show showtime showtime that became the expression and at the forum bus created the ultimate experience he hired a live band at the lighting to this perfect shade of gold and introduced produced the laker girls ladies and gentlemen here. They are for your halftime entertainment. The laker girl their sizzling dance routines jeans became as much a part of the show as magic. Johnson's nola passes or chick. Hearn's famous calls on the radio ninety three to seven games in the admiral refrigerator. The doors close those lights out butters. Getting hard. Execute and geno is gigolo jerome stanley and claire rothman both worked for the lakers in the early days <music>. He invented something called a senate seats like let's charge more for the seats but let's give them more. We made them unique because you had waitress service service and you could have fly and you could have food in sports today. That doesn't sound like this sounds like a milk and cookies idea idea but jerry created that idea must have been quite a thing for donald sterling to watch the guy that he bailed out become an overnight success s. and the coolest guy in town you know one of the biggest status symbol you could ask was a gold satin laker jacket and you snap snap snap snap and you wanted that goal jacket. You had that goal jacket on it was like he must be friends dr bus the lakers were so cool. They even have one of the hottest clubs in l. A. inside their arena was excited to be there. The forum club was the place as to be seen think of it like the west coast version of studio fifty. Four rockstars rappers music legends. If it wasn't reggie jackson it was michael jackson accent. I don't think i've ever met anybody who cared less about sports than michael jackson and there's jerry buss but it with his arm around m._j. At the forum club there was plenty of alcohol plenty of enjoying oneself have things you didn't go home and tell your wife about you find people that had offices in the forum that would still be making use of offices. They're laker games. You know people use the copiers for a lot of things in those days such as i you you know it was just a very high flying time we had a lot of fun and i'm sure there was a lotta stuff running around up people's noses in that club to i can't prove it. Let's let's just say the magic juice was everywhere one of the guys who made regular appearances at the forum trying to get as close to showtime as he could was donald sterling. It wasn't like you're donald sterling. He's just a guiding donald sterling. I remember he used to have that open ended jacket with jewelry and it was really something out of studio fifty four. This was l. a. in the nineteen eighties it was every bit as decadent as wall street without the steffi suits and ties. Yes the only accessory that really mattered for these guys was the woman on your arm the younger and hotter she was the better and guys like jerry buss. Donald sterling love the validation that came from the company of young women. It didn't matter to donald that he was married in fact jerry buses longtime friend and p._r. Are guy bob. Steiner told me about donald using his wife as a decoy. My wife and i are invited to this party was restaurant on melrose. We went in and shelly came up to my wife and said there's somebody to meet in walked her off in. Dan said i had her do that. So you can meet the girls at the bar. This was a world shaped by men's fantasies and that's what attracted donald sterling. I think that done look cherry and thought well. Maybe five followed that road map yup this same things will happen to me. It's not hard to understand why donald would have looked in the mirror and wondered why he shouldn't have what bus had boss wasn't hollywood leading man handsome either. They were both middle aged men. The kind whose boyish handsomeness fades quickly with adulthood uh grasp comb overs and hairpieces die jobs that don't convince anyone he was just as rich no eight he was richer he was better or at the real estate game so don't try to follow jerry's lead one time he did ask me to to get him a publicity man who could do for him what i did for jerry buss and i said well donald by the lakers and you can get that kind of publicity of course donald couldn't by the lakers so in one thousand nine hundred eighty one. He did the next best thing. We were very good friends with jerry buss and we used to go to the laker games all the time. Jerry was zoe stalking. Oh you should buy a team you and <hes>. I guess we were nuts. I don't know why it was just something. I guess every man would love to do thirty for thirty podcasts. I brought to you by state farm whether in the game of basketball or in life having an m._v._p. On your side it makes all the difference. Your state farm agent strives to be your m._v._p. Ready to come through in the clutch when you need it the most whether it's buying a new home coping with a car accident a building the foundation for your future. You can feel confident in mill when you don't have to go along with the state farm agent on your team. You'll be well prepared for whatever life brings your your way state farm here to help life go right a change in ownership in the n._b._a. This past week curve levin sold the san diego clippers to los angeles attorney donald sterling for thirteen and a half million dollars when donald sterling by the clippers in one thousand nine hundred one the team team was struggling. They clippers had recently rebranded from the buffalo braves and moved to san diego but things weren't going well. They were a last has placed team looking for a savior and everyone was hoping that donald sterling could do for the clippers with jerry buss had done for the lakers. I'm really prepared to do whatever is necessary to bring the san diego a contender a respectable teams on opening night of the nineteen eighty-one season and everyone in san diego finally got a good look at their new owner in action i was on the bench with with coach lyles and bill west wall and our team and and we were not favored to win the game pete babcock was an assistant coach for the san diego clippers at the time he'd go on to become the general manager he remembers donald sterling during that first game and he was sitting courtside across must admit cord. He was excited about the game and he was into it and there's a game aim. Progressives is his suit jacket comes off and then pretty soon his ties loosened. He's excited and he's drinking wine and having a great time and enjoying the game came late in the fourth quarter the clippers led by four points and it looks like you're actually going to start their season off with a win and then all of a sudden one of the teams the shooting a free throw at the other end of the floor and he came running across the middle of the court. The game is going on. He ran across the middle of the court and jumped into paul silas his arms. That would be head coach. Paul silas silence didn't know what to do inside dumbfounded like what's going on. You know eh. We were all just literally dumbfounded. Nobody knew what to do. I love my team. I live and die sometimes with every basket especially towards the end of the game at the outset. Donald sterling seemed genuinely enthusiastic. Even if the ways he expressed it were a little strange. This is a guy who put up billboards all over san diego to advertise his new team but they were all plastered with pictures of himself but that enthusiasm mm quickly soured as that first season we're on and the clippers started piling up losses. It became pretty obvious that donald sterling was not the savior san diego. Oh had been waiting for the sterling's didn't even move to san diego state in l._a. We would drive to san diego like sometimes twice a leak. Sometimes stay there for a few days. Donald wasn't there to roll up his sleeves and turn his team around. He wasn't there to rebuild. He was there for whatever money perks and attention. He could get for himself by belonging to this very exclusive club of n._b._a. Owners and he wasn't going to invest a single. Oh sent more than he needed to. I remember he said something about. He had a friend who had a sporting goods store in l._a. And every time does certainly would drive down to our games are home games. He could bring a box of tape in the trunk of his car and it was save his money. I remember one time. Donald sterling asked the coach of the clippers. Here's why he had to pay for the players socks. Can't they get their own socks and trying to explain to them. We go through a box or tape every day well. Can't we reuse the tape. It was always about trying to save money. It's all about. I don't have to pay make other people pay. You got the feeling that he was just understand. The business was naive about it or maybe he knew exactly how things operated and it was just trying to find a way to save money. You know i guess when you're the newest one onto by a team. It's a lot harder because it's like the child that's new in the school so it was a little difficult because we didn't really know much about anything but these were in your average growing pains and they didn't stop with socks athletic tape soon. Donald sterling was blatantly disregarding the n._b._a.'s code of conduct toward the end of the first season. The team was considering acquiring a top player. Someone who might actually help the team win gate eight but sterling started to openly muse publicly about whether that was a good idea wouldn't winning hurt their draft chances based upon a rocky start and the number of games. We lost if we play as hard as we can. The probabilities are that will end up at a certain point and that point will enable us is to draft a first round number one draft choice in america. Donald was straight up suggestion. They lose games to get a better draft. Pick which was a huge. No no tanking is one of the n._b._a.'s actually one of the entire sports worlds third rails. I say this after a great deal of study and investigation and last to drop first to get a franchise make and the league had to act their new owner was causing trouble. They fine sterling chris comments and put on warning the n._b._a. Commissioner larry o'brien levied a fine of ten thousand dollars against the owner friday for what he called conduct prejudicial end detrimental to the n._b._a. At the end of his first season the clippers finished in last place winning. Just seventeen of eighty two games san diego covers have lost again as bad as the clippers had been before donald bought the team. This was a new low the two hours north the jerry buss in the lake to another championship trophy out of setting where number one and for the second time in three years the los los angeles lakers are indeed number one in the n._b._a. From the farming so maybe it shouldn't have been that surprising that donald sterling decided the grass was lot greener up in l. a. The league rules very specific and you have to have the board of governors approval to move a team. You can't just pack team and move to wherever you want to be to to move team. You need permission. Donald did not have permission the n._b._a. Quickly stepped in to prevent the move in mid-september a special. A committee of team owners met in new york where they recommended that sterling be forced to terminate his ownership because of the aborted move to l._a. And other problems all all the way back in one thousand nine hundred eighty two n._b._a. Was on the brink of kicking donald sterling out the n._b._a. Got an injunction against them. Send them back at that time when they started proceedings to take away the franchise teacher n._b._a. Commissioner david stern who was then an executive vice. President tried to fix the problem by sending alan rothenberg rothenberg to babysit donald. He doesn't know what he's doing. Everything is doing is wrong with the same alan rothenberg who represented check can cook and the lakers sale to us us david stirred called donald and said call rothberg bring him down near straightened it out sterling said he was sorry and that he would move the team after after all that he'd even try to sell the franchise on his own he made alan rothenberg president of the clippers which made it look like they have their act together. As a temporary fix it worked the owners never voted to remove him in the league back down but then al davis the legendary owner of the oakland oakland raiders and a friend of sterling's pulled off his own unauthorized move to l._a. And got away with sports the oakland raiders late today one the antitrust suit against the n._f._l. That means the raiders are now free to move to los angeles though the n._f._l. Plans to appeal a court had ruled in david's favor based asana loophole in the n._f._l.'s bylaws. Alan rothenberg noticed that the n._b._a. Bylaws had that same loophole he went to stirling or if you wanna move this. This is the time donald jumped and he didn't even tell his staff that they were moving. I came home and t._v. Stations wanted to come out to the house and talk about the move but the clippers. I general manager pete. Babcock didn't have anything to tell them. That was out of the blue. We we had no idea it was coming on. Top of the basketball staff had no idea was coming. The league find sterling sterling responded by suing the n._b._a. And jerry buss for one hundred million dollars a total power remove and also a pretty crappy thing to do but it worked. The clippers were now los angeles franchise jealous. What was your biggest problem in san diego. I don't think we had any prompted all san diego. I love san diego but there may not be another sitting where like los angeles owner jerry buss. This is already given his okay taking shot at his beverly hills buddy saying now l._a. Will have one very good team and a very bad one for donald sterling the l._a. Move was a chance for him to start fresh but things did not improve then trendy los angeles two things are consistent the lakers win and and the clips lose the clippers still drop their seventeenth straight to start the season matching the n._b._a. Record for such futility lakers clippers same town town same game same league when it comes to tradition. These teams have less in common that a polo match and the soup line instead of becoming l._a.'s newest celebrities. The clippers became the butt of every joke clip again you sit anywhere you want to one down. Three players in the game scored eighteen lately over. I guess i grew up in los angeles in the eighties and i remember watching clipper games on t._v.'s a kid. The games themselves weren't weren't really anything to talk about. I mean the team almost never won and yet the voice of the clippers ralph lawler. Somehow made me care well. That was my job and part of the craft. I just felt that was my job to find a way to keep people interested did in a game. That very often wasn't very interesting because we had a lot of those lottie years. That weren't very interesting but there's always a story to tell if fifteen win season there's some young player or players that you've got a story to tell about them that that humanizes them. That makes people likes them makes people root for them. How rookie was a master at making the clippers likable no matter how much they lost honestly think a lot of fans tuned in for ralph more than the basketball because god knows there was no one at the actual arena except for penny marshall and billy crystal. How did you become a clipper fan because no one was a clipper. They asked me to play. They said listen. We only get four guys tonight. Can you still dribble sports arena. Yeah i had tickets for awhile and we they were great but there was no challenge you know and then a friend of mine calls. It's combined. You want to go see the clippers play as a all right. There was nobody there. I mean it was a triple double meant. There were three couples. Uh at every level the clippers screamed not showtime but that didn't seem to bother donald sterling or at least it didn't seem to register register. He got a lot of negative press but it was attention. People knew his name and he liked that. That's kind of all. He really wanted to be the center center of attention. That's why he started throwing his party's. They were fabulous. Donald and shelly sterling's infamous white parties so called because guests were expected to come wearing white. Everybody came in white except for donald who got to wear black. L. is just fabulous. It was just a big white party. The biggest white party took place at the end of summer as a way to kick off the basketball season. We'd have the players there. They'd get up on stage and a lot of the fans and a lot of ticket holders. Were there down in the white. Show intel tell don casey attended the party's when he was a coach for the clippers westie cups like this high so you can't drink too much wine little hotdog sticks multi-million ekberg his bailable white party is dettori's after uh-huh one time with my wife i i was never allowed to go again. It wasn't quite my style anyway but was so seedy an oily about it is he'd have forgive me but it's true he'd have like grade c actors and actresses. The hangers on the people wanted to get back in show business but it also mingle mingle with people who were stars. Billy crystal was one any hired more than just impersonators. There were some lovely ladies walking turnaround. Donald called them hostesses. He had them at every party. He threw he'd actually advertised for them in the paper looking for california model types but they were glorified. Call girls there to look good and entertain. The male guests and shelley had to smile and endure it another public humiliation at the hands for husband too much one. The shelly said maybe not enough. There was always a photographer roadster. He had to have a private photographer for everything everything he did. Give a hand to america where he were walking around him. His voice was talking. He was like yes fabulous. This the mirror quentin richardson was drafted by the clippers in the first round of the two thousand draft he was from chicago played college ball there and then declared for the draft after his sophomore year he was barely twenty years old when he landed in los angeles inexperienced his first donald sterling party. We know we were there whereas the is is his guest athletes but then you had i guess you would say his friends and his normal guest is like you know definitely not the same type hyper looking crowd is we are and so for us. We will kind of standing there and just check everything out and it's like you know. This is for a lot out of us the first time this is the first preseason team type owners meaning or house or any of that. We've ever been to have been involved in so i'm i'm dislike. I'm be respectful say will serve because then i'm over here may want it all and we wanted with player los angeles. This was the best part of the party for donald sterling showing off his players. Don't need have the individual players. Stand up and tell why they love l._a. Was one of his favorite questions and so you'd have all these guys standing ended up you know danny manning and charles smithson yom mark jackson and stand up and say why they i love l._a. And there's a lot of beautiful girls aren't there and i'm you hong. Come on please. I remember for wilt chamberlain who was getting up there and he was almost at the end of his life and he looked very rail thin to me but he says what what am i doing here. I see you you tell me he goes. I didn't even know this guy. It was almost heartbreaking. I was just like okay. I'm ready for somebody to make the first move so soon as somebody else leave. I'm gone like i just don't want to be the first one to leave but from out of here he would hold your hand and just would not let go was it was really really uncomfortable. I mean all my god you. He just wanted to someplace else. The thing is as awkward as these parties were. Donald never seemed happier. He got to be the bell of his own ball and for a few hours a captive audience had to at least pretend to think it was really cool that he owned the worst human basketball because in real life no one was donald sterling so donald found ways to manufacture that for himself to force the conversation to the fact that he he owned the clippers whoever happened to walk up he would ask him advice about the team he would go to the airport after a game and the baggage handlers i would say donald sterling over to me and said. Do you think we should trae. Danny manning you talk to the waiter to restaurant talked to usher at the games is famous. This thing is what i think of my coach just as likely he'd be listening to a cabdriver as he would be to a general manager a scout in bach loud he would call me sometimes was late at night. You know i'm roy firestone. You know everybody. You've watched all these interviews. Tell me about larry brown and why he should be the coach of our team. It's ten hindu eleven at night. It's the owner of the clippers. I'm not a basketball coach analysts. He goes roy. Your opinion matters you know he called billy crystal said. What do you think of larry brown. If you say i should hire him. I'm hiring them. Billy crystal must've told him to hire larry brown because he did and it was a good higher in one thousand nine hundred and again in nineteen ninety-three brown actually led the clippers to the playoffs for the first time since before donald on the team but then he resigned well. They have been the buffalo braves. They've been the san diego clippers and now they are ten years in l._a. They've had eight different coaches just in los angeles k._c. Z. year and a half schuler your and a half calvin fill-in brown your and a half why they're searching so long for a new coach. He's only going to be there your and a half at least there's consistency awesome seeing this french. At every level of the organization the clippers were a revolving door and if there had been an exit interview on the way out route one of the most common reasons for leaving would've been mister sterling and yes. That's what he made. Everyone call him. It was always mister. Sterling link ralph remembers assistant coach will telling him about a coach's meeting back in the early nineties and they're having a meeting at a hotel suite and and dave goes will don the thing we have to do with and he said they stopped him meeting immediately sterling sternly and forcefully said it's mister sterling donald made everyone call him mister sterling even us reporters we used to joke we wondered if shelly called mister sterling mm-hmm but it wasn't a joke donald made the cover of sports illustrated in two thousand as the man responsible for the worst franchise in the history of sports. <hes> sports are about winning and losing and as an owner. You're supposed to put your team in a position to win because that's how the rest of the world measures your success us by how your team performed on the court but that's not how donald measure success because he was making money off the team the same way he was off fits properties just by holding onto them and investing the bare minimum and by following that one binding principle location location and location philosophy is i got a team in los angeles. The people are coming out because they're fans of the n._b._a. And visiting teams and it's true for a longtime clippers ads would feature the other teams players. Come see the clippers play michael jordan charles barkley to sterling a ticket sold. What was the ticket sold and donald could just sell tickets based on other teams stars. Why should he bother trying to get any of his own. Each year. Negotiations chasen's with our draft picks were extremely difficult instead of meeting halfway or one side coming down inside coming up some and trying to compromise our ownerships position jason was we just keep lowering they offer every week you see you knew donal could always come in and undermine a deal after his early early days as jerry buses assistant drum stanley went on to be a player agent and no agent ever wanted to do with the clippers because of donald donald john was known for breaking his word in deal so you always had to know that when you deal with the clippers that anything can happen at any moment donald with his training superior lawyer most of the time you get your money in a settlement from the insurance company and you never accept the first offer because his not the real offer and the best offers at the courthouse steps this negotiating tactic had made donald hundreds of millions of dollars in his real estate business but the courtroom steps approach doesn't work in the n._b._a. because in the n._b._a. You're dealing with people not buildings. Donald what you don't realize is your buildings. They can't talk back back to you. Human beings can talk back to you. Don casey was the head coach of the clippers for one year and nine hundred eighty nine. That was the year the clippers first round draft. Pick nick. Danny ferry opted to sign with an italian team rather than play for donald sterling's team. The reputation of the clippers was that bad in three different seasons. That didn't even win twenty games that makes them the losing n._b._a. Team of the eighties and working for the losing team was about as dysfunctional optional as you'd expect it to be when it gets dicey they call it the <hes> bunker mentality every doors closed you walk up and down the whole torture all close because he wanted to see you or a on and be involved or late on what to say while a good <unk> owner might take a struggling team and grab the reins sterling was just the opposite the last week of season. He was started disappearing. He's not around because somebody else's you're on fire you he would call me down to his office on wilshire and beverly hills and i go upstairs and sit sitting this giant room with hardly any furniture this this marvelous desk and a couple of expensive pieces and you'd you'd sit there in this this parquet floor and he would want to know everything that <hes> he thought he was not privy to from the general manager of the p._r. People or the coach or whatever whatever and would ask you a bunch of questions none of which you wanted to answer perhaps no move better exemplified donald sterling as an owner then moving to the staple center. The staple center was a wildly ambitious project in downtown. Los angeles developed by the owners of the l._a. Kings hockey team a brand new arena meant to accommodate accommodate multiple teams able to handle hockey and basketball on the same day state of the art concert venue the kind of new digs sports franchises dream of but if you're trying to launch the fanciest new sports arena in l._a. You might want to be able to say that you've got elliot's best sports teams on board the hurdle for the developers though the forum jerry buss not only owned the lakers. He also owned the building. They played it so is he gonna move the team from his building. For maybe the first time and clippers history they had a huge advantage by being the underdog. The staple center had to have an n._b._a. Team team and they had no choice but to get the clippers and they negotiated with donald the clippers would have been the prime tenant therefore with the best terms the best choice of dates donald knew he had the upper hand so he dug in his heels and waited courtroom steps again negotiated couldn't do deal what he failed to appreciate was that he needed the developer is more than they needed him so as donald wasted their time with never-ending negotiations they decided okay. What are we go all the way now. We're going to buy part of the lakers and jerry to move the team into stables. They may jerry buss a deal. He could not refuse fuse construction began with the lakers as their prime tenant and then they're l._a. Kings by the time donald finally agreed to terms the clippers were third billing the worst days worst locker rooms everything but even when he lost he won the clippers began playing at the staple center in one thousand nine hundred nine and that along with the accompanying cable tv deal drastically boosted the value of the team without him having to agree to any big money contracts with star players or winning a single game same ticket sales increased by two hundred and sixty six percent because it was downtown because it was a shiny new venue that people wanted to go to because it was the same place the lakers played if you couldn't get into a lakers game baby check out the clippers and all that increased revenue went right into donald sterling's pocket he'd only pay twelve and a half million for the team in the first place. The profit margin was incredible. You know who he didn't share it with or who who didn't profit from it anyone who played for him. Nobody had to bear the burden of donald cheap desk as an owner or than his own players wash. You spend any more money. It's gracie any money that i spend on these players. Just give them money from my pocket to the players. We definitely notice that stuff was different between our team and other other teams when i got to cleveland cleveland had they all playing practice facility was in the stadium. Darius miles was drafted in two thousand often alongside his good friend quentin richardson. They quickly learned that there was no such luxury for clippers players in fact the team didn't even have its own practice facility. They practice at south west l._a. College a junior college. You got a professional team and they're practicing at a facility facility. That isn't even suitable for d one college team. This is like a junior kyle will not like this is a junior college that we're practicing laser as you tell us. Don't go to blocks over. Let's hood we can take showers at the practice weight rooms like we all couldn't be in there at the same time and it was only twelve us on the basketball team you know donald sterling had owned the clippers for almost twenty years at this point he was long past the grace period of not knowing any better he was choosing and and had chosen over his entire tenure as owner not understand or do what would be required of winning organization to show courtesy a respect to his players and he would sit there and literally a play which go and <unk> sending these signs at all visible signs of discontent in some games he would leave early woke up and down and slowly down eight minutes ago to game. He used to sit in his co. Rotates seats in heckle his own players. He'd harassed players as they ran up and down the court. Hey pooh pooh richardson. Pay enough god dama while the guys in the game. Here's the owner of the team sitting in the chair at sideline yellowing at his players on the court while the game is going on have you ever heard of anything like the whole situation was one big mess that you have to get any better. The clippers players did their best to steer clear of donald one wanted anything to do with them for a while. We used to stay in the salad with long. We see them women. Ask the n._f._l. With longer going to try and enroll them or we kinda void him when we see them. Coming in the locker room was donald favorite place as to visit his players and out of nowhere here he comes he roseanne. He's got his entourage with him. Women men sometimes it. It could be more than ten people. He comes in and obviously known owner county and everybody's gonna kinda. Stop turn around. Give them the proper attention. You know it's like people literally come united shower tiles on have not dressed. Have you know what i'm saying naked and stuff like that he come in with his group of the people and it was just like look how beautiful my players is and look at how beautiful you guys is doing so well and and they aren't they beautiful to the people that he would know. It doesn't matter what generation of clippers players i talked to everyone has uncomfortable donald sterling locker room stories. It's like he walks in the locker room. I have tile on olden polynice put up with the same stuff when he joined the clippers in nineteen ninety one so i was sitting not only guy in a row and elda how you doing put his hand on my shoulder. Rub dan how big and strong here wow look at that. Just i'm like okay. This is getting a little awkward so i put my hand shake his hand. Who's france france shake their heads. How y'all doing he goes. I bet wow these muscles like what the fuck is going on here. I'm sitting there now. I'm starting to sweat a little bit because i'm like nobody's in head is a reason why they left and it's like he just kept. They look at this buck now when he said that shit. I'm like buck house. The fuck black slave on the trading block. Yes i'm telling you that's when i was at holy. Shit the fuck fuck me up. It was clear that donald size players has this property and always had. It's right there in the same early interview hugh right after he bought the team. I must say that. I was rather not even i bought the team. I was under the distinct impression that one that owns a professional franchised used to shops around to find which player meets his needs and he buys them and i find that the more desirable the player the more difficult it is to to acquire that player and so there are several players that we wanted and we're prepared to pay for but they weren't available even in a league where there are owners and players as a traded donald's views cross the line. Most people understand by other human beings donald didn't he didn't even know enough not to say that out loud at best he saw players as employees who worked for him should be grateful that he gave them a job at worst he saw them as property he owned their value established only by what they could be sold for but no one was going to call call him out on it or make him deal with the consequences not at the party's not in the locker room at in the press not in the n._b._a. League office <music> he had become so so bloated. That's the word so loaded loaded with being rich being able to do what he wanted to do and have everything come back to him that he had a disconnect with what he could what he could do what he can get away with. What's right and what was wrong and what sounded wrong. He lost his connection because people people had patronized in for so long so he had lost his ability connect with the real consequences in life. <music> <music> thirty for thirty podcasts is brought to you by a delta airlines delta flies the three hundred cities around the world. That's three hundred cities where everyone does the same things. That's three hundred cities. These were the people in those three hundred cities think they're the only ones who know about that. One place three hundred cities where people miss someone in one of the other two hundred ninety nine cities three hundred cities where people sing in the car in the shower or both poorly delta isn't flying to three hundred cities merely to bring us together but to show us. We're not not that far apart. In the first place delta he proclaiming coming up on the next episode of the stirling affairs. Don never talked about his upbringing because he does not want to be seen as ever having been poor he was impossible to abyss. His name was on half a beverly hills. Where now on the record this is the videotape deposition of donald sterling the you know i'm gonna use the term i love. You have a zero tolerance policy against housing discrimination based on race correct. I would think so yeah. It's a known thing within the n._b._a. He didn't see this as people racehorses or show horses.

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Rent In The Time Of Coronavirus

The Indicator from Planet Money

09:52 min | 5 months ago

Rent In The Time Of Coronavirus

"N. P. R. Sterling lunceford lives in Dayton Ohio. He's sixty five and for the last fifteen years he's been baker for Panera. Bread work was hard. I mean it's long hours. You go in at ten o'clock at night then you wouldn't get out to. Sometimes six or seven in the morning is according to how much you had to do But it was a good job and kept you busy and everything ceilings. You almost never calls in sick but one day in early April. He started feeling really strange. I couldn't hardly breathe Chips was so tight. I thought I needed some oxygen whatever and I called let them know I would have to go to the emergency because it was just bad. Sterling went to the emergency room and was immediately put on. Oxygen spent several days in hospital before they sent him home but he was still really week not in any shape to go to work walking from my apartment just around the corner to the corner store was it was. It was an impossible task. I had stopped rear four times just to get their sterling. Got In touch with a supervisor at Panara just to check-in she takes me back that I was terminated. Now I've got. I've got to take my phone phone. I'm talking right now. I've got their takes from her. She sent that in a text. I've got it on my phone. I've got it on my phone right now. After fifteen years at Panera sterling was laid off in a text message sterling says a lot of his co workers were laid off to. We reached out to Pinera but they declined to comment all of this left stirling in a pretty awful situation he didn't have much savings and suddenly. He had no income kid by all this medication. His health insurance was now in question because he'd lost his job. His unemployment checks still have not come stirling says the keep asking for more forms to be faxed but he does not have a fax machine or a printer. Meanwhile the bills from the doctor's office from the Power Company from everywhere just kept coming. I'm barely making it I I have. I have no real income to speak of. I was making decisions like I. I my medication. Today could food in house or do I go without Rent or whatever rent is sterling's biggest expense? It's four hundred and twenty five dollars a month and he just couldn't pay it suddenly for the first time in his life. This question was running through sterling Ted again and again a question that really scared him homage to my read. This is the indicator from planet money. I'm Stacey Vanik Smith today on the show rent more than thirty eight million. Americans have lost their jobs in the last few months. We're looking at the worst unemployment level we've seen since the Great Depression and in many cases unemployment checks have been very slow in coming about a third of renters. Reportedly did not pay their rent last month. Some states have put anti eviction. Orders in place but many haven't including Ohio sterling lives so people like sterling are on their own to try to negotiate a deal with their landlords and landlords and property owners are panicking because many of their tenants can't pay rent and now they are staring down bills and debts of their own support for this podcast and the following message come from Microsoft teams where you can contribute to meetings from anywhere chat with coworkers and find all your files in one place ready to unleash. The power of your team open teams more at Microsoft Dot com slash teams. You right the planet money news. Tell me what you're covering during the crisis price-gouging how to save jobs why the Fed is sending billions of dollars all over the world. And why remote? Work Sucks. I miss our chat Do the NPR dot org sauce money newsletter that's NPR org slash planet money newsletter. When sterling lunceford realized that he wouldn't be able to pay his rent he went to his building managers. These two women he said I lost my job. My unemployment check hasn't come. I can't pay my rent next month. One of the one of the main concern. One of the stretch factors in my life was how going to make my rent. We found the owner of Sterling's building Gary Zaremba he owns about four hundred units in Dayton. Ohio Gary says a lot of his tenants are in Sterling Position Right now. More than a third of his tenants did not pay their full rent last month. And he's expecting the that will get worse. He says in the meantime he has to make mortgage payments to the bank and he has a lot of bills that he is suddenly struggling to pay. Gary has about fifteen employees and a lot of them are people who have worked with him for years. We one things. I am proud of my experience. Date is that. I created a bunch of jobs proud of the business that I co created with the people since the beginning still Gary Does Not WanNa lay anybody off or cut anybody's pay but he says he's getting more worried by the day he says he's worried about this movement to shutdown eviction courts that maybe people will get the message. The rent is optional. And in the meantime his bills will keep coming. You're asking me is a private sector to become part of the public sector by providing free housing. It's kind of what's going on because we don't want people. Did they have no place to go? The homeless or on a neighbors couch etc. So I understand the concept. But I'm being asked to do the job of the government and I'm not getting reimbursed for it so some folks are just not paying their rent because they don't have to. They know they're not getting victim. Gary says he's really trying to work with the tenants who've been hit by the coronavirus pandemic and the economic shutdown people like sterling Lunceford. Who had never been late on rent or MR payment but was suddenly having to go to his apartment building managers Gary's employees and say. I don't have money this month for rent. And so I went to them and talk to them and say still. Don't worry you just take your time. You can get together. We know you're under a lot of pressure and then the other thing with your job and and all of that. Not only that sterling says the apartment building managers. Let him use their printer and fax machine. Tell them get all of people to the unemployment office still sterling says. He just didn't like owing rent wasn't sitting well with him so he went to the one source of money he had left. I was so desperate. I cashed in my four one K. Sterling had been saving up money for years. It was his retirement but it was the money he had and so the second he got the money from his 401k. Sterling paid his rent and a couple of month's rent in advance also. He said he wanted to talk to Gary's Rumba the owner of his building. Yes good morning morning. Are you the owner year? Yes okay. I'm I'm Kinda glad again opportunity to talk to you like this because you have a wonderful staff and they have been extremely helpful In the situation that I'm going through To really push it. You don't know my much I do. They may work. The has been pretty rough. Tampa me much easier to bear sir. So I'm glad to hear that you know glad that were able to help you. Stay in your place and navigate this tough time and you know the landlords but we're also people want to make sure that you know taking care of tenants in the ways that we can and like. I said I WANNA make sure that you. You say something to those ladies overdid office. Because I I tell them all the time which I appreciate them but I think once you let them know what good job they're doing till appreciate it more thank you. I will make sure I do that today. Yes please do sterling and Gary are in this weird position where they are both suddenly depending on the government for their livelihoods. The government ordered an economic shutdown which cost sterling his job and now sterling is waiting on the government to pay him the unemployment he was promised by. Congress in the cares act. Gary is waiting for that money. In the form of sterling's rents and the rent of his other tenants to be able to pay his mortgage to the bank and the bank is waiting on that. Money and investors are waiting on that money and the entire economy is kind of waiting on that money to stabilize the millions of businesses and people who have all had their lives turned upside down by the coronavirus pandemic one rent. Check is kind of a link in a chain that connects the entire economy but the most vulnerable person in that chain. The person with the most at stake is sterling Lunceford. Who is still having trouble breathing? And who is still waiting for his unemployment check and for him. Time is running out within the next thirty to sixty days. I'll be completely broke. I won't have any money at all. No income no way. No no anything within the next sixty days. If I don't get something coming in like that uninformed something I'm going to be broke. This episode. The indicator produced by Darius Rafi on the indicators edited by Paddy Hirsch and is a production of NPR. Let's all close our eyes. Take a deep breath. Let it out and listen to NPR. All songs considered it's music podcast. But it's also a good friend and guide to find joy in troubled times here. All songs considered with new episodes every Tuesday and Friday. Wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Unfiltered Episode 15 - Sterling Grice

Electrum Radio

41:26 min | 1 year ago

Unfiltered Episode 15 - Sterling Grice

"This week's episode of unfiltered is brought to you by tattoo awards dot com tattoo awards dot com showcases some of the best tattoo artwork from some of the best tattoo artist around the world world where artists can compete in several monthly competitions in different categories for a chance to win prizes from some of the leading tattooed companies inspires around each artists who contributes to the competition submits their tattoos to be voted on by their peers points are awarded according to votes at the end of each month the top three to five places in each competition win. Prizes points are also tallied on running leaderboard in the top leaders at the end of the year when fifty thousand dollars in cash and prizes go check it out now tattoo awards dot com and get in on the action. Take welcome to the unfiltered podcast with your host scotty whitaker. Nothing is off limits when we sit down with your favorite artists and industry professionals and talk about whatever it comes up to sit back smoke in your favorite beverage and get ready for one hell of a ride unfiltered starts now. Uh i everybody look. I just busted up on them. Let me let me just put levels a little bit as you as you already know the. I've got seven listeners. They know that i'm not professional. It takes a minute to set this up. Could you test test. You're you're good. You're good okay so today. We are incan arms tattoo in gun expo brian. I no we are playing halo. Does it yeah that happens all the time that happens. I was like why are you on on circles because you're fucking sucks monkey. I like funny making you serve anyway. Welcome to another episode of unfiltered on podcast gotti whitaker and today special guest introduces start. I started guy says graced us with his presence today on this hot s beautiful. I'm not even know say this is fucking hot hot as balls but why are we standing in front of the door because i'm we're gonna walk to say we are. We're mobile mobile right now. We are mobile. We're walking around. We look like idiots. We do and i'm sweating announcing fella. Just ask us if we would go. You were here you witnessed. That's right. We all goes. I think this is my life. This is what happens like. Oh you guys time. No we're not we're doing podcast. What are you doing a podcast a podcast but <hes> anyway that home daven you are fucking. I'm sorry you are shaking baked bro. Look at him who god breakfast did did. Did you do paul. What time is headed. It's cool. Y'all millennials are okay. Hold oh hold on for a second sterling. Hold on let me pull out my fuck and smartphone eleven. It's eleven oh nine. That's a non nada zero devon script on six yeah six hundred eleven so sterling erling in <hes> you know he volunteered because i had an appointment with you at ten thirty at ten thirty and he's coming here his hand merge. He's got compared to last night. He's okay. He's gotta take here's what are you. Are you not doing today. Are we gonna do this. This is startup okay so i'm going to talk to him for about forty minutes to only forty minutes the fuck it. We'll come back but i gotta get here. You know you're i got. I'm <music>. I'm fucking you. Fuck you up so let me do this. You go drink you about six of those twelve beers. What are you looking at. What you look at and then i'm oh come in there and we're gonna do this. I'll let south ending all right folks <hes> but anyway. We got again sterling with <hes> okay so this can go two ways. It's it's by the way breath well. What do you say the ones that a little bit carl carl blasphemy last so okay sterling. I'm just gonna go ahead and and the site is <hes>. What would you like to talk about today. We're going outside for a sec. It's fucking hot but i gotta smoke cigarette. That's the great thing about this mobile. Oh my god it is so hot are are you doing. Where is the only shade in spoken play over there by the brick wall holy fucking shit. It's hot look we eat this guy. Smoking weed seem to have a <hes> look at and he looked at me like oh all right so we're going to go two ways with this corner two ways. Do you do whatever you want to talk about because i know what i what i what i want to talk about. <hes> let's talk about what you're talking about. Well hold on now. This is zika look. We're gonna we're gonna put this on you. So we've got options here. We can talk about how amazing your fucking tattoos or hold on. I gotta go over this bush about well. You're you know you're you're what you're you're booked up for fucking ever blah blah blah and you can't answer people's it was text messages. You don't have money. I was even referring to myself. <hes> i'm kinda special your essential but <hes> one of my sponsors and i'm gonna say this because i just keep it real. I'm gonna keep it real because i'm gonna talk to them and <hes> and just see where this guy's. I'm gonna let them here this before. We are before air 'cause <hes> if if if it's just controversy then we'll both if you own at the same time that way so because i think there was a lot of things that were done that were put blame. We're put on tom wrong. People and <hes> and of course you got alums beaufort butthurt and and rightfully so i got straight up hassle <hes> but you got fucked upped you got fucked as hurt and the reason that i that i can say that is because i was involved in that situation <hes> directly involved in and but <hes> we'll just do you wanna talk about contests. Are you wanna talk about fuck. Something miss out there. We've got about contests now. I guess we got so <hes> shout out to my sponsor tattoo awards dot com <hes> i mean hey thanks guys <hes> it is what it is but in life you we all know there's controversy and everything and <hes> last year last season last season last season sterling thing <hes> lost by little over two thousand eight thousand boys however according to calculations. You actually won by four thousand eight. I would've went around round four thousand but you came in second place and i'll just let you take it from there and we'll we'll go from from that so the what do you what do you <hes>. How'd you lose the point so let's just go that way. What what happened a few shows where i didn't get compensated the point so that one they missed quite a few words at quite a few shows and then there was a couple of shows where i didn't get awarded any points for me the awards one and they were sponsoring the show their her name was on the show so i never got the points for those at all. Another thing is is <hes>. One of them got caught cheating <hes> one of who who i mean when we're when we're pointing fingers i mean it is what it is bro if we're going to do this we're going to do this because if if the dude was outed he's outed it you didn't out him or you're not putting fingers if he was out of he was outed so we're gonna keep it real as we can and like i said i'm going to let them here. This offner it was brought to my attention to bracknell <hes> the guy that won first place last season and ten thousand dollars eight thousand ten thousand dollars he was using other artists <hes> tattoos and presenting them as his own work in winning awards for them another one that i actually kinda call myself or figure it out myself were in cincinnati and <hes> he was working on a color piece on the ladies back and she was up against my wife for tattoo the day my wife actually one tattoo of the day the and somehow he won tattoo of the day black and gray and cincinnati on that same day which i found very very odd yeah very little strange now. Let me just say this is this is <hes> this is me being me right now. This is alleged for me because i don't know these things to be and even with the i've heard a lot of people say he got caught cheating and stuff and i've never i've never taught those guys that i've actually i've caught him. A couple of times and <hes> it's just not worked out with are scheduled to get back together but i'm back up there. Were <hes> to a maggio's that you did that. You didn't get points on <hes> and i got a message <hes> from one of the fellows and sent him the list well. I actually sent him <hes> your name because he asked me what specifically at the time it asks me a a anita the thing that listen i didn't have so i went on and i literally went to your your instagram and hours and i looked at the the winning section for that day for the first place and not just for the trophies that you had had <hes> because if i'm not mistaken i'll go back and look but it specifically said yours because you had contacted them and said hey. I didn't get my points for this show so when it was addressed to me it was asked hey we need his point so that's what i did and because i didn't directly have them on me and <hes> oh my god. Would you look at what is being put up that was fast asked. They had this shit playing head to holy. <hes> you set that up for me. I can't even talk right now. <hes> they're all you guys at the whole thanks. We are outside yeah we are. We're fucking ninety eight degree weather <hes> one of the helpers for the convention. I didn't see who it was has posted pictures of scotty scotty whitaker on the <hes> glass outside with a boat in his beard while drinking red bull several pictures that three of them to be exact not feel about this right. That's that's quite funny and how they were able to pull that up so fast and print it. I have no idea because we have been here very long. <hes> but that shirt that i'm wearing is way too small in that photograph you have thus to it. I have boobs and you look like a gremlin out what the fuck is in my beard. It's about it's about. It's a fucking low. The skull was that day is sexy. I like your tits okay. I'm sorry okay. It's not about me here now. She's taking a picture of us and <hes> yeah. I remember this. She's got red hair. That's that's <hes> claire claire this clear if i walk in this room and they're on the front window for the public to see. I'm gonna fucking stanton. I'm good hashtag metoo movement fucking thing john john. I'm gonna fucking moon everybody in the fucking so back to <hes> we i- i'm like you know squirrel squirrel squirrel so again folks. This part is fact. Okay the other stuff with the cheating and stuff. I got a call that legend because i don't know specifically what i had them which i'm gonna fuck and find out from them. I'm going to ask them and <hes> but again. This is this this is just us talking and i mean you're pissed. You're still pissed and i don't blame you. I mean ten grand's a lot of money almost all last year doing that show <hes> but i sent him what i had then then he actually he messaged me back and he said hey do you have them all and i said i don't know said but i'll get with with them and matter of fact it was clear and i was told that claire had sent them don't know she did <hes> but that's what i was told and then <hes> jomon message me back and he says hey man. I've got some stuff going on. 'cause you message against hey. Did you send the stuff. I said yeah and i told you i said they told me claire sent the other stuff because they were waiting on everything well <hes> the guy that i was talking to had a family problem and he messaged me about it and i even told you about that <hes> and then he said he'll take care of everything i am from then i was out of the this assumed. They were in there until i saw you at another. Show and hampton roads came instead. I didn't get myself hampton roads and you want a shit ton and hampton roads in virginia beach and virginia beach and there was a couple other shows that that you've got some points and then get them all. Not all of them not sure <hes> charlotte. I don't know what happened. I was even i was at that show but i don't know what happened with that. I i think they were there. They were they were there. Even one of the women come up and talk to ask me how many <hes> asked me about the words that i got that day and still missed one mistakes happen. That's worth five five hundred point well. It is but now mindless we gotta be. We've got to be real here. <hes> mistakes happen they do but when you come down to four thousand awesome points it makes you it makes you wonder what the fuck is going on and <hes> i think with the other shows that i wasn't involved with against alleged stuff <hes> <hes> that they that the tattoo awards people weren't at that was the kind of the same thing when i dealt with may hasten stuff and they never did <noise> <hes> so again. I can't speak for those people either but you know you. You've been upset about this for a long time and and i just wanted to give you opportunity to fuck and say something i'm not and <hes> and we'll talk to him. 'cause you even they message you. About <hes> the third <unk> you want something else or plays for people's choice or something not implies for what was it that you they post. Somebody put a picture up. You didn't know about it on the website and <hes> i sent you an email saying next year. This is what's going on next year in. You're you wrote a memo back as take me out of it. I didn't know i didn't want anything to do with this year had had all that <hes> that you're in it one to one of the things. I think you're confusing. The people's choice thinks what happened was the whole fucking thing. Alan bracknell did something something in october. It was either september october for the people's choice awards awards and those points counted to the tattoo or in the contest that we were in that. I i didn't know what was happening. I didn't know that that was going on. I had no idea that those points we're gonna count so he got points from the people's choice for the voting in either october september and those points counted on a towards the contest that hours in because the people's choices separated from the actual tattoo awards or not actual tattoo from the other contests so he got points from those and another thing is i can understand them wanting everybody's awards. This is what pissed me off the most he went the devils hollers last year and i knew multiple people i knew at least three tattoo or is that a won awards and i went check their names they didn't even have awards from devil's hollows but he had awards so if you're not going to give me my awards from mother shows then why is he getting awards from the oppo points from those shows when nobody else cow points russia's now the few people that had points from devil's hollows but i knew three retailers that i personally no. I'm not gonna name them because i don't want to that shit but and i'll say one of them even works in tennessee house as much as that but they didn't even even half points under their names from devil's hollows but alan had every point awarded to him from devil's hollows so i can understand if you need everybody's points. I understand that that's fair. That's completely fucking fair but don't award one person all of their points award a few people there points and then some of the people that one didn't even get any points so <hes>. I'll talk to steve a little bit in <hes> 'cause i. I i've taught him about this a little bit and <hes> he told me that that <hes> that they had structured things differently. It was going to be a whole different system how they were doing and stuff and i mean for what but it's worth bro. Shit happens again. I sh- it does happen and you've got to find just like what these shows. Do you know sometimes we fucking flop. Sometimes uh-huh widow fucking hate banger. Is that even a thing. Hey banger. We just as yours hashtag. Hey banger taxes <hes> that's pretty i like the squirrel squirrel squirrel but you know again ten grand would piss me off to <hes> but the point is you're still put now fucking amazing work and again. I say a lot of people get tired of hearing this shit i. I'm fucking hate saying. I say i'm not saying 'cause you own your. We're friends. We're we're legit <music> buddies and <hes> and i tell you when i don't like something you do you do. It makes me fucking hell. You know some people lose their fucking. Okay thank you are. I'm dismayed but i'm trying to be the only person that i can be and that's just real and i don't try to be militias to people some people do but i i even say to them. I'm i'm really being a dick right now but you know i'm just being honest. I'm being from the heart because <hes> and i'll say night josh payne years ago. You know i saw some guys that were friends of ours that <hes> came out. Josh showed a piece and <hes> it was bad it means it's been some time ago but it was a bad piece in there like us fucking amazing mobile any walked away and they started talking shit about him about the pace and everything but when he was there at fucking circle jerking even just outside this fucking wrong yeah so the next night same group of people. We're all out there again. Call him out here here. Fucking josh comes up showing another piece because i mean look at josh i he's he's braggadocious as happy as shit that ed space and he comes up and he's low on us. It was okay a i'm not sitting here going to say i could do it but it was okay. It wasn't one of these things that i think somebody should have walked around and and been saying but at the same time <hes> coming up and and and being a new newer guy in the in the business you won't respect from your peers and praise so that's what he was doing and he was getting it. He thought he was getting in there. Fucking dies at home. Stop stop yarmuth. Focuses just need to come come real right now. Josh is ugly ugly as hell. I felt bad for saying in front of the client but although it's fucking terrible and every one of these people staying here we're talking shit about you last night when you walked away and they probably should they're paying <hes> how much tell the truth just be correo. Don't talk about him when he walks away. And of course i'm an asshole. You fucking dick scotty. What'd you do. They'll make because that's my friend. He's supposed to be your focus. Don't fucking do that. Shit so josh about hurt with me. Gum the buck asshole and which i mean i had that stigma 'cause i was hanging out with james <unk> too but at the end of it josh <hes> several months later by probably a year actually we the <hes> we talk somewhere any thanked me for for telling him that and <hes> of course he's you could have done it in providence but no it wouldn't have been the same impact right because then then people would be doing the same shit from now and <hes> anyway. That's why that's just where i'm at bro. I just i try to be real talkers and if you know again it's not. I don't think i can do it anybody anybody ask but if you see something you pointed out at least say hey amen could you what what what did you do that. What's going on here so but that's the whole point of that is we're free. I'm not sitting here talking to you fucking good work and <hes> i think pretty humble and i'm fucking. I'm gonna call a couple of guys out right now. John ronnskar john. We'll talk about you right now. <hes> why don't you john botha goes bottom going here and tell doug jones. He works at <hes> charlotte charlotte. I fucking love. Were that's what i told him yesterday. Okay i absolutely love his word. I think his work as gorge especially in this is another thing that people no need to get because <hes> when people walk in a room the people that we know and you see them month month week to week every every other week. Whatever then i'm sitting there yesterday as well start talking about you and john was like. I don't think he likes me. I'm like well la how i said what he says yeah. He said when he walks in like usa hey and he just kind of looks down. I said that sterling sterling it just looks down goes to where he's going. <hes> just sterling starlings not a hey everybody kinda guy ever have been and that's what i said and i said and i told john i said i think you just misconstruing. What what he's what he is. I said he's not stuck. He don't think he's better than anybody in this room at all mobile longchamps and i told him i said i said you legit need to go hang out with him and you'll see that really fast in in my opinion john. He wasn't talking shit he was just like i don't think he likes me because in that's what it was like oh i don't know sign language the whole what okay. I guess this means come. Let's see me when you're done. What do we do that. We gotta talk about what happened to her yesterday. Though we've got to do she was to shake. They had to fucking spray tan. She was laughing. She had fit she e._d._s. God the girl. The girl actually came and was like hey can. I get my money back and i said for one and she said well. It didn't work out like it was supposed to i said and i i was kind of in the dark about everything and she explained to me that the stencil was put on and then she started to do in why and i know i'm kind of cutting us up then all of a sudden it looked like her skin was melting and then came for wishing that she has bright and i'm kinda like <hes> yeah. I don't know about that but you know what. I'm a good dude. Fifteen fifteen bucks ain't gonna fuck a break me. Here's you fifteen bucks and i said are you upset with the artists because this is the thing i need to go handle it. She's no obama and she says i'm embarrassed and but of course krista was bent out of shape funny. I laughed off but it was one of the things that you know it. It was hey people. If you want to get tattooed number one role new number one will go headstone new number one real. You don't get a spark to i don't fuck. It's very team because the stencil stays home but when alcohol starts wiping spray tan off it looks like he's focus <unk> scans mountain but like a fucking leather indian sitting out at the fucking well. That's a wooden but anyway. There's a tampon on a tampa. Police tampon into bush is not used it's august. I don't know about that might be done thing. I gotta the move now man. I can't stay right myself right. I'd like just mobile thing <hes> back john. I fucking love that you know what i'm just on the spot because this is what i do yeah think of workers in tennessee last week yeah holy shit but <hes> i gotta say last weekend was a wholesome. It was was phenomenal. Yesterday was fucking amazing. It was and <hes> that was busy taking risks and we just talked about you for about two minutes on the podcast but i'll let you hear it later. We'll i'll let you later but we'll be back we is. We'll let you know i was talking shit about. You know what if if you tell secrets on air and it's going to pick you up. I'd need to say okay. I'll come to you. I'm just saying i'll hit japan little bit <hes> but anyway can four year old on a leash. It's okay <hes> i gotta say coming off two weeks of a of a good to it <hes> good two weeks. It's it's been good bro district. It's rare phenomenal two two shows back to back and they were also that i was involved with both of sexy bitch. Can i just say that. Maybe i needed to get a new hashtag. Let's see hashtag. Go back to the ruined. She were just at what was the word is used the word you might up hype back <hes> hey bagging back. No i guess i gotta listen to were guys will get another word. Hey y'all doing <hes> i now the music is going to get that is also note. I would like to oh yeah yeah it could be. You'll like that don't you. What in the hale she's having fun. Have i walked into over here co see this is the kind of <hes> you know what i'm gonna. Leave it alone. I'm gonna leave out alone. We'll talk about later. We'll talk about later and so sorry for good seven listeners that i have have that you do not know what the fuck has happened here. I gotta take pitching. I gotta take they had to move. That dude has all of them away. He's available <hes>. I don't care at the moment that is way more important than anything you or anybody else. Aww that's awesome. Awesome dude got balls. Oh my god wow again folks. We're so sorry knows a big square. I will say this. I i can say this and i can say this proudly do not come to a convention and where the bikini thong don't own became look at this go to grads jot down james bond what his microwave and the damn booth <hes> so back to where i it's <hes> it's fine he'll. I'm force and i don't want to mess with them. Always works did this is what i do. This is what makes people become you better and more real and so anyway rob's going to be pissed because the music so if you look watch my finger we have to go radio radio. Silence went on drama finger for like a couple seconds because the only editing we do on the show as background so but you gotta have a little bit of silence day. That's all you got the <hes>. I'm gonna put this on. Let's see actually you know what john i got interrupted. I'm sorry yes. I'm totally walking. John rounds cause booth while he just started the fucking huge fucking piece but look at this used to me. He loves me and <hes> i. I gotta tell you brother i. I discolored you out for yesterday and i'm just i'm coming real with you because what i said to you one hundred percent correct about about sterling and i'm gonna. Can you hear me okay so when we were talking yesterday and i i was talking about sterling. You're kinda like well. I don't think sterling likes me because when he walks in a room he just keeps his head down and bob and again. He wasn't saying that he thought you were stuck. Suck up all right but hold on but he was like i just i don't know how to take him and i told him i'm like did sterling is the most humble dude i've ever remit so that being said i'm going to again interrupt john wall. I'm sorry bro. I mean you're just getting a bad tattoo so it's okay okay. He knows what he's doing. He can do this shit with his eyes closed matter of fact later. I might come put some tape on his is just to prove it. Hold on let me wipe this off. You want to move the mouse. Tell him what you told me about him. Dude i fucking love your work. I love your work but lucky said. I'm very very quiet motherfucker. I'm quite as shit and you know man. I honestly like i was saying scott. I just i don't know how to take them like i was talking with cody about it and i was like his cody was like well. What's wrong. I sit down with rob was early. I don't like i just i. I don't know how to take them like. I don't know if he's just an old world. Sometimes they're online. I kind of have way cody got a hold of me as he just started coming up to the booth and talking to me and now we're like really fucking close. I'm just very very person. I always have been. I can't help i can kinda. Tell me and even like what we saw in bristol even like the the hi in the hallway. You're kinda. Hey yeah that's just how. I can't fucking hell. I got like a. I got like a pussy between lake sometimes away. There's kind of like a it's kind of like a little girl got a got. A fucking hit a crush on some dunes. I hey just runs the puck away. That's scary man. I mean and that's has gotten a dude. I i don't think and here's why i never thought the daca possibly being your personality is because scotty fox so if scotty fox yeah. I know there's no way there's any ego involved during because josh blandly d'etudes fun well you know scottie. Scottie has his moments where you know he. Lets you know how it is when she does which is beautiful. It's refreshing in a world of people not let you know how the fuck it is. Yup just circle jerking. He was talking about name thing and that's why i'm kind of glide brought you over here man. I i just never get a chance. I happened to me. It shows all time and i mean you see me man. Just kinda keep my head down and i try to work. This is what other hand. That's why i was like man. Maybe it's just a matter. The both of us are so busy all the time that i never get to actually communicate vulgar and it's just nice. This is part of why. I like you guys doing this stuff because is it does stuff like this right and it it kind of question on jan. Call him john. Does that's fine. You and that's fine and i appreciate. I'm glad you did honestly like. I said i never once thought well. Maybe they do just has his circle all necessary. I respect circle getting bigger like i said just a very quiet person. Just like me and you i met. I was very quiet. I thought it was astle so i thought it was a fucking asshole just by looking at a space although this goddamn he's got the fuck he's got that does especially when he's doing business because then then and you know like if i see him wearing a certain face like most people would walk up to him and be like hey. I'm like don't get with him in a little bit uh-huh him in a minute. If he was a girl he'd be the one to ripe you. Also skyline. I wanted wanted to bring you to together. How's your legit to my favorite twenty people and <hes> top five komo twenty goddamn so who's not who's twenty four and one of you is not. I'll take the non. I'll tell ya thank you. Have you probably have a list and probably those fucking pocket list over here. The other day remind himself all the time cy. Citing people can see my notes grow. I don't even i wouldn't even bother looking at your notes. I'd be like i'm a big fuck out right in the book. What's it about <hes>. The first book's going to be about just just james's travels. Oh that'll be great. It's going to be something that looks like it was written by fucking mick jagger lead joan years on the road with james bone you have no i can only imagine i have an idea and i still don't have it like i can only imagine it's and he has gave me free rain to talk about anything all fuck wow that's going to be also lau governor. Come out soon but now look later on. We're gonna let you get back to but later on we're gonna we can all three set down ch oh that'd be great. Yeah guess i appreciate you. Bring him over here man. I see him enough. Hey it's me again john ruskin who scott he wants to do this and i want to do it. <hes> you can follow me on instagram grandad. John roscoe's j. o. n. r. o. c. k. a. <hes> and i hope you like what i do because i like doing it. We all sterling rather man to buy later. I'm back now. We get my topi of shit out of john's way. Thank you sorry about that all right now. We're gonna walk back into this music again. I'll watch is one to uh pop up rolling stone now. Oh damn loud. It was all right now. I'm gonna flip your daughter the bird she'll do labs komo. Not this what i got. I gotta go here and that was santa. Claus hold on okay. Sterling's oldest daughter has a infant child in her arms that actually looks like a hundred and sixteen years old and there's the fuck out of every time i look at it. It is benjamin but town. Santa claus is dick santa claus route that circles the brain and i'm sure that santa claus paid a lot of money for that hundred and sixty five bob. You're looking up in pay else fucking back but anyway we're back here at starlings a little bit look little. She is sweet as a damn cucumber this lead that they're they're a little bit about how you flipped me off a little tired. You don't even have any reporting now we're going to we're going to start <hes> but i appreciate you. Doing this. Man was there and <hes> we're definitely i mean. We're only thirty five minutes but we'll let that risk what we talked about. Let that sink in for body and <hes> but we'll get on here and that probably not odd drinks appears the final cut loose and and like say because i can do the whole thing and we'll get a bunch of us in there and just fucking allow bigger as do the do the damn thing but i appreciate shaded wanted to another one hundred percent. We're going to <hes> but excuse us for not on multiple nothing okay. That's all kick her as you think if we had the helmets on they had a lack mask and stuff people. Would i come up to you and be like knock on the side of it right. Hey or maybe if maybe you know what it blows my mind how people get to see that but again. We have headphones on. We look like we're nascar. Stuck in pitt right we do. We do the ban harry yes. Actually we do look like we're in right now at work. Our mouths are moving. They are they're moving and people legit will walk up. They just start talking like me like hey bro. We were we were in the conversation. You won't doing anything shit at this. I i had no word right now for that but anyway. We're not say one more time. Your shoes are ugly will change in about two hours. I got some more in my grandma's quick. They are better looking than this child that your child is holding. Hey santa claus did that. I didn't do that at least you could cut the the puck in place. The hairs would hold on though that's what scares me you doing. That's heavy too. I wish people could see what i'm doing now. Look at it's fucking murder. That is my granddad in nineteen eighty two. You know what it makes me think of it makes me think of back to future pokemon doc benjamin button important. What's his high school it looking. Hey on scares. People beat the shit <hes>. This is gonna be mad at you. Addicts scott adad. Don't let guys touch. My baby willie does he. I saw asshole l. Egmont asshole asshole a little bit a little bit but this one here oh that was the best thing ever. Although i gotta get must believe so we can <hes> we're gonna. We're gonna do it like <hes> <hes>. I'm glad you loosened up there. You're a little nervous. At first. I was lost fucking. I don't do that stuff sterling that your child that is much there we go but anyway. We're gonna cut this and <hes> i really. She's going to punch me. She does she literally. She'll run straight at me and put a fucking head down on the ball. She put my ass is so again. I appreciate you go ahead and do your fucking shout outs. Don't mention bethany because bethany slacking <hes> she doesn't invite people to dinner and i ate <hes> yeah what had dinner last night and the night before and the night before that i had a hershey through losing what no not some reason. I'm not probably the eighteen hundred monsters. I drink a day. Let's say rails who's ostional but she can kiss my ass without apparently she doesn't think i need to fucking. How can i love you and throw out your fucking hashtags sheila. My name is sterling garage. <hes> my instagram is fine line perception. Can you give me a follow up there. If you like my work good good. That's what it is. It is what it is about. <hes> were out and we will be back later columbia back. Thank you for joining us on this. 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Episode 77: Planet Hi-Fi

Dispatches from the Multiverse

24:05 min | 1 year ago

Episode 77: Planet Hi-Fi

"To hi I'm Max. I'm an engineer and inventor and this thing here is the Bagel Tron two thousand the bill two thousand is my invention it opens up portals to other dimensions which been traveling through for a year and a half more than that probably at this point. I don't know I don't really keep exact track it's just it's all such a blur because I've been to so many dimensions at this point earth but nodar things are weird but they're also kind of similar. I whatever the point is it's parallel dimension and I'm GONNA travel through this portal now open and check another one out right now so here we go. Oh okay I'm in the middle of some kind of a city it looks like but there's nobody around okay. I'm GonNa shut this down and I'm looking at just these large skyscrapers and and Hugh I mean. It feels like Times Square here which is very odd for Seattle. And I'm quite a ways away from where downtown Seattle should be and it really understand what's going on. It looks. Looks like see over. There is some kind of stereo store. Says Planet Hi Fi and over there as well okay. That's it also says planet hi Fi. They have sort of different. Styling one is sort of a futuristic theme. Look and the other one is more of a retro eighties tech kind of a thing Let's let's walk down the street here. See what else there is around here. Km seeing others another way. That's also uh in high. There's a lot of planet hi fi here. I don't know Oh shopper. Welcome to play. Hi Fi. You look like you're a need of some serious audio file year that Stefan. Where did that come from? Oh that's that is recording. It looked like playing on that screen in in their eighties. Retro Themed Planet Hi-fi Shopper. Looks like you know gear. I can see from your shopping cart. That is this completely empty. You need to come inside and give blow now me head around the corner here and see welcome to planet planet. I five is your high-fidelity high it up or Fidelity Enough Wolfendale your he. Ed Carbon Dynamic in dental you get the level reading ponant system very now. We better crossover. Veterans Neural wiring a better cabinet structure and manage the size of your eyeballs. The size of land. These recordings are really kind of aggressive. Now there's a shot. That looks looks like a bakery of some weight. Now now I mean it looks like a bakery but it says planet hi Fi. I wish we could be listening to the ice fidelity possible rate. Great all right well. It doesn't seem like there's any people here just whole lot of empty planet. Hi Fi stores. I don't really understand what's going on here and it seems like there's not gonna be any way to find out I. I guess I've got time. I can just wander around here and wait. Wait a minute down that alleyway. Okay see somebody yeah. There's somebody rummaging through dumpster. Okay I'M GONNA go check this out. Hi Hello Hello what you Eric. Your your human. Yes last I checked I am the crap Have thought I was the only one well not not at the moment now. Where have you been this entire time? it's complicated okay. I got time right. I don't want to interrupt what it appeared the. You're busy with a dumpster food. Did you say you are the only human even though I mean review your human the human. Yes yes absolutely so. Can you come over here in answer a question for me. Okay that That store right over there What's the deal with it? What do you mean well? They all look different from each other. But they're all called Planet Hifi. Yeah that's the only story planet. Hi Fi but why would you. What do you mean why do we? We have a why why. Why are you confused by that understand? Well I'm not planning hi FI. I'm not from around here right. You're on the planet I am. Yes so the planet hifi stores Yeah way there was a guy on a screen back there What's what's is to deal with that? Guy Sierra s sure I guess yeah pretty obnoxious okay he wants me to buy some Hifi year. Of course this is planet. Hi Fi did you buy any no. I didn't buy any gear. I didn't really come prepared for that way. You don't have any year now. I don't have any gear Q.. Not Like I. I wouldn't necessarily Sui say that I don't like hi Fi. I just. It's not a particular hobby. How how do you? How do you feel about silence? I awesome yeah. This is Charles rival now. I just found out that there is another shopper. Here on our plan not just you. We'll send right. You got what else. Yeah my life. I hope not this. This is a very specific recording when it was talking to me it was not that specific. Oh this isn't a recording. Are you confusing me within Sir I. Hi Charles Rival Sterling K.. Or my friends can call me. Charles rival Sterling. Okay Mister Sterling ten. What's the deal with your gear? You know so glad. US Planet Hifi we have a motto. Oh a way of life really that we've subscribed to every day in every moment which is we love. Is it a way of life though. I mean look around. Well I mean I mean it's not compatible all or any but hang on what happened to all the people that my had been my back and present you know I mean the. There's some dispute I I would say there's a fifty percent dispute current send Zengin Eamon. Well I mean there are two of US Wilson. I disagree. You strongly agree that it was my fault. And I I just WanNa say that for the record it was but some might have connected the event of my unveiling with the death of of every human on the planet except for Wilson and apparently this new shopper. Why don't even know so? I need to ask you a very important question. Which is what is your credit score? Don't answer that doesn't matter. We will get you gear anyways. Second me where have you been for the last twenty years right. well as I was mentioning to to Wilson a moment ago. It's kind of complicated but I'm not from around here. Find here I mean I played high right right. He he is everywhere. Okay super knowing so Charles. You're literally you're playing. Won't Whoa Charles rival since early ten. Okay did you hear it sterling contract. You have to think of stirring in the left part. Okay the point is planted high-fives if is not just the name of your store it's the literal description it literally covers the planet. Yeah it didn't start out that way. We came from Humble Beginnings Fan Hifi with a huge goal in mind getting stereo everywhere for everyone in every scenario. Well I guess he must have succeeded fine. I'm not from here here. I'm not from this planet. I mean not this version of the planet Pluto now. Are you telling me that there is a whole other world of shoppers that do not have access to right. Now wait other people other girls there are are plenty yes more than too many more than two. So here's the thing I'm Charles Anymore. I'm from another another dimension parallel or where we do not have planet Hifi. Gosh this sounds like like a dream come true because I can take that world over and make it right. Bring Planet Hi-fi to other worlds. No not a bad idea definitely not also not sure how you propose to do that. Since you're literally just a talking picture on a screen do you see that. That store over there I do yes I do. The candy store owner. That's another planet. Hi Fi did you see that store over there The lingerie nope. NOPE nope. That's another planet hi-fi somehow. That's right you can wear speakers. There were lots of useless stores covering this plan without Anny Hi-fi in but with my vision my negotiation skills Charles rival sterling was able to make an uh-huh pyre out of junk and destroy humanity. I mean you say tomato. I seem tomato. Well the point is none of these stores are going to somehow come to another dimension because it's a portal is big enough for one person to go through to to in not a hi Fi. I store or whatever you are low Farrell's ribald Worthington Charles rival. Stir Lincoln Sterling. Tim Stern Right. You can't kill an idea an ideas infectious. It's like a virus or bacteria or something something small the kill people. Yeah that's what he's like. I'm like virus kills people. It does seem like you have effectively deeply keeled all the people here. Yeah killed with joy no died screaming. Well how did you survive Wilson. I had noise cancelling headphones. We'll this is actually my arch enemy. Before we had the unveiling he was the last person to hold out. Using noise cancelling headphones I am against headphones. Founded all forms because it's only inside of you and not external of us which is completely against my hi Fi philosophy it. It was pretty awesome. I see it was so quite well. It seems really quiet now. No no no. Like really quite explicit gear wind. That's true I do hear the window loud blowing between the buildings right now. There was a moment I will have to admit I. Ah Little Rashly Wilson. I got in an argument. He would put on his noise cancelling headphones and I might have turned up. The base quite the Bit Brown note is a real thing. You may be crap my pants inadvertently out all right. Is there any way to shut this thing. Off Wilson M. Yeah no boy. I wish so you know I'm right here. Yeah and he's in the bathroom. He's in the bedroom he's everywhere I didn't encounter until after I started talking with you though it seemed like it was just some sort of prerecorded messages earlier. Yeah usually shuts down. I've been working Wilson for years ears to try and get him to listen to my peace day resist on the most perfect stereo system that was ever constructed but he. You won't listen. They're not GONNA do it. I don't have human ears. I can't really hear. I want him to experience it so I can live. vicariously is the EU nice ears. I do I'm GonNa Happen. Really Large Pass on anything that involves listening to something that may they have wiped out the entirety of humanity. Good move it's up for me really isn't killed them. All alleged is unresolved. Have you run run into any people in the last twenty years besides myself. No that seems like pretty conclusive evidence there check. I'm just saying happening coinciding at the same time. It doesn't necessarily mean that it is the exact reason why everyone that I mean like literally within twelve seconds atkins of the unveiling and turning on zero everyone die but there could have been some sort of mass in batch in we. Yeah no idea about sound sure. Why don't we walk through the vents step by step so the first thing that happened was was what well I got really loaded really looking forward to listening to the Stereo? How does a hey I on a TV screen get loaded? Oh he wasn't at that point. Oh Yeah I mean so. To be fair I di- turning being on the amps. So I wasn't killed by allegedly killed by sound I was killed by the Stereo. I turned on the voltage was quite that's fitting and it would have been great if he hadn't created this guy the booted up after that. Unfortunately I didn't have the hindsight to make that right. So you turned on the amps. You died and then I mean Wilson. He doesn't know because he had headphones on. And I and my I only has a recording of what was afterwards afterwards. So we're kind of put it all together. But in theory what happened was the amps per turn on sound came out and I don't want to die my wife my kids I mean potentially future wife and kids. I'm hoping died. Don't even listen to dated anyone in like four years. It's getting really close to talking to girl got it. I'm going to have decided Wilson on this one that makes sense. I think you killed everybody. It's just prejudice because I don't have a human by. Yep I'll say everybody revival Sterling. Lincoln did nothing wrong I don't think that's true. What would be wrong is not bringing audio and Hifi your world nope you know we have audio and Hifi? We're just not quite this obsessed with it. Sounds like a prom most of US anyway. Do the streets in your dimension have speakers in them not no not usually what about the trees. The trees you know about the twitter's in the the trees now tweezers now. I mean birds birds in the trees. I remember birds killed all the birds to yeah Geez. Why would you what you could just play a recording of the birds and it would be perfect every time he does that audio tone birds? super-9 is such a better world. I liked it when they were pitching. You know somebody with your lower capacity of appreciation. This makes sense but I don't even know what to call you. What is your name who already? I'm Max Max please. The you are a more sophisticated person who can appreciate find things like audio so loud that it might have have killed the world. I mean allegedly. I can appreciate good audio which I don't think that qualifies as no. If it kills you. I don't think it's good. No definitely not make us bleed not good turns your insides. Jelly not good. I mean they look like like Human Jello mold. Well all this has been educational at least but I actually have to get going. Please take me back you boy. I really don't think I could do that. You can't leave me here with him. I do feel bad about that but I mean the portal. I've only ever tested it with one person. I can't take the risk. It'll be year myself. Here's the the thing there's a Wilson in my dimension. You can't just come back there'd be some real problems there were two of you whereas if we touch. I don't know if we look each other. I mean probably nothing but the point is he has a life and it would really be difficult to get you any account I D- or any of that stuff. You can't just appear my country. has this whole thing about illegal immigrants. That's right now it would be a real problem. Okay like drop me off at a different dimension. Maybe I guess if it works but all right you you want to take the risk ya you can come through after me okay. I'll go through the portal. You come through after if you get like decontaminated or something. That's not on me. The what is that turned too much. Okay so basically what he did to everybody allegedly. Did you totally did all right. Okay I just want to put it in one thing before Guiseley you have to step in one of my stores man client give me just a little thing. Why do in store pickup a thing and say who cool and then you can go in other world that lacks any plan? Hi Fi pretty sad. I don't have a problem with that. Fine I I would actually Kinda like check out. One of these store Sergei. Yeah which one is the Best Wilson. Did the corner won the quarter one. You know the snazzy uptown one is the best one is farther away yeah we. We don't have time to go all the way around around the corner. All right okay. Here we go into the store. Now look at all this hi fi so pretty. Wow while I know right. Check out this bookshelf speaker Wow cool a mug speaker You guys look at this one. It looks like a Grizzly bear but actually made speakers and cable wire is in a very impressive. Ten Foot Tall Speaker Grizzly. Didn't you do like cow's speakers at one point. Yes but they didn't make good Ed. Yeah wow coming You walked into that one. My marketing team came up with that barrel dead by the way. Good point well. I think we've taken everything this store offer. I really think you should consider adopting my lifestyle and I think there's a good moral here for you guys to Really be more involved with No actually offer. 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TFPP Episode 82  Bloody good game

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TFPP Episode 82 Bloody good game

"Hello, everyone and welcome to another of fantasy plonker podcast these days. I may your highest longside. We've ever had oh. No No. MRIS PONCA and Mr Pallone call. Mr Plunkett I'm Mris plonker are at present recording these podcasts for your entertainment as when it for your knowledge on how to play fantasy football as one of your Barron trump actually well. We know because you fucked to somebody. We should stay again. Talking do appropriate. You know that's no eight. Yeah, yeah, actually. Yeah, you might fucked up. But the word was actually quite good in the end. You know what episode this is. It on nine I hate to. Say. That today why? Beak episode today. lost. Touch me Mris pay has got her notepad and pen at the right way because they didn't listen to podcast and I've forgotten everything, we discussed so anita right down things to help me with my team for Aaron in this episode. I`Ma. Changed since loss of All right well a lot. This year at least loss episodes was before the game came out. Do you remember when we didn't know what was going to happen about unlimited transfers? Yes I. Do this I can sell them? He transfers. Copy Motto Kabale Call Him. Transfers apply with. Matt Kucher Mad. 'CAUSE you've some people was some people was mad about it, but yeah, it was my preference, but. KS But yeah loss episode was before we knew about that and we did discuss things on a macro level. Just things in general. If you take me one to summarize it, which is mainly a best of like the rule changes, and how it will affect the game, but this episode this will be a foreigner one before the deadline before the game officially returns, so we go. Go. Get Your Roy I'm Gonna I'm not leaving any stone and turned in this episode of Guelph my chest and he's Tommy do that. Surveys you chat in for the duration or no I tell you. I mean to put some time and effort into it this time, so you can have some opinions because lawsuit out to be honest. I didn't even want to do this podcast. By here of loopy look, look. I've ministered I. Five meets up tame. And then. You basically don't need to know because I'm going to be totally new. You should day. You, do you want to say going in and you put an upper law? The why main for because we discussed it on the podcast where I'm going to help you today? You've changed chain. You're going for a morning. Help to now acting like billy big bollocks and you'll help, you may need to not. This is the beginning of the season when you know. Happy is going to perform anything, so it's it's a very hard to see trying to place that team and who to choose yet, but it's not only players. Amy. We've go worry about. What do of our chips? And you any of you watch I live since our discussion the other day. Okay so. We're kicking off with chip strategy for every scenario. Yes, because some listeners have wildcard, sometimes some have bench. Boo Sometime, you know. And I because I've got all of them you've got you've got all your chip all much off. Go all of them except triple captain I don't think that really affects our strategies, because the triple captain is not really a place for it. It's just something you can wrap the US on just a on. Just a normal single game wake for player. You like and to be honest. You know with liver poll. Do so of relax and stoplight young, so you can't belong in future, but you can approach to cutting Chiffon as. Aman say player. WHAT'S A rotation? Prone man sip, let's be honest. Some debris owner isn't really rotational. Well could be getting subbed off earlier. Novels for SUBS DUNBLANE PEP at. She likes him so well. We never know who found out, but yeah chip strategy every scenario with your ten minutes of Photon I may in comparison to more at Publi overhaul day now into finger if peo-. Twenty four hours a thinking and you have many ways, but with your ten minutes I in many ways. Your Chip Strategy Moore. When am I GONNA? Use Me more game weeks. Yeah I didn't. That far ahead Oh. So you don't know what ships tragedy now all I know is the you. You say I said about triple cups in this week because of say. Messy game wake. Does that make sense and then you will not know I may. Obviously. Most people apply bench boast. That's of where I'm at well. Some aplomb bench boosts some some are interested in the free hitting especially I don't have a wildcard, but you've gone it transfers. On aspires comp for hit Mo-. Some people are now main vice unlimited transfers, but they've sound logic to yeah, but they're probably doing that on me. Transfers to the ninety one, but in free just spool. It guys back to what you had before. Just meet has been a little confusion on that. We WanNa gain so that has been very tedious to read so they. Go back to what it was before any unlimited transfers the not. Let's. They've really happy with that before. Saying then it would work. Yeah, exactly wallet doing it completely happy with him I want to do a free hit for a double game week and then go back to veteran which. Is Fair enough then in it. Yeah, and I would agree with that. If you'll same is set up, goods are think freaky in this week is perfectly reasonable. It does make sense of do feel sorry for the F.. B. Managers at wildcard carded lack just before this pandemic. Not they've got the shit end of the stick. Really haven't I have used a wildcards? The season poses and then everyone gets limit transfers anyway. Yeah, that could have been. It could've. Luckily I think we'll into March strategy which again very folks out now but are. Often people were underestimate in the wall cards and they're thinking too much. About is free hit. The figure too much about this double game week. When the wall is the big one, that's the one you have to get wrong, but yeah, if you have all your chips bench boost to instant wildcard offering gaming for Iran is what people do him for me like I was just lucky. Just touched on I'm going to say that wild little bit lighter I wanNA. WanNa get that Roy. I WANNA get on a covers much. They possible and engaging for free. It could be the perfect time, could it? It could originally was going to do for you and just get two weeks while I was gonNA take basically was unlimited transfers bench booze in gaming thirty, then free hitting gaming for one and then walk on game gaming for. So I. Use my chips of God to Free Shot Sir picking. The teams are one gathered. for which plies are on foam American attack the rest of the season. We have a wildcard but Nasty Sam and these compact, more popular announcing. A few people say this game week for Free Kapito One and are strongly strongly thing. That's the way to go. I think game for one wildcard. Better chance you fucking up, you know if someone they could be a player which can finish the season strong, but. But it might not particularly stand out to sing for a or it could be a guy who has one flash good game week. You bring your many ends up being apart share the same with teams, not just the players, so you need some time to dia gave me for it to is also the week of FA. Cops and so you're going to set your team, though then be FA Cup Games. Are you don't have any information if You're plasma, apply in the in the League, and you could be Fox so gaming for a free makes more sense for me, and it's also a time when the fixture swings. How you've just to think now having a never do you do that? They'll never contradict myself. Yourself move on, and you basically just said that. As the best week to gather data from the previous two weeks before. For the wild card? Yes, correct? You've just said that these if cup games where people might be going to play, too. So if the people pint in the Cup games pine in the next. Games, which then doesn't give a clear choice on for your wildcard because they pioneer. Plant in there. So. In plays in the FA Cup! And then he gets dropped by right. Society pays really well in the FA Cup. He plays really well. We've got a and then he's dropped on the week for E to game for the prime. Yes, how is that a good choice for the? How would you go? Yeah, he's worth gain more because I've seen our since early. If he's played every game, he's been drops now becoming for for one gaming for you to with Fa. Cup Guy Initiative Thompson Gavitt. Understand doing before me for two is what you could get stung because you've make decisions before these teams even play if I cut games, you do you all to bring your sterling? He pays. If a couple gets injured 's. You'd be very. Freeze a bit too early for the wild card might to what is the up to? Maybe. Four thirty five, and then just Bashar because you've got. You've got more games to get clearer. Understanding of what players are the ones because I say it could be good for two weeks and now knocking Doodo season. Get whoa if you want to do. By all means, but only use my Walchhofer free. That sounds good to me a man of God five six weeks to actually reap the benefits from that same because I don't I don't WanNa Caveat, I don't want to carry on campaign Aston Villa Playa shift again. Not Players I mean don't want to keep those players. Me For a two is where I'm planning on Plasma. Free here because you've got savers live opole Sheffield. University Spurs Aston Villa. Verses Wolves Nascar my cup team eliminate, and that's going to be an absolute shit show. especially if they cut goes, said so that might be more free hit week trying to a star, so then that means more tame now with unlimited transfers and bench boasts each. We'll have to be out for for a and for a one so vastly challenge, but if you never walk off then. Your strategy has to change because you have to focus on a long-term, which obviously is hard like you, said Amy. Because we don't know who's on four and we don't know WHO's GonNa? Hit the grandma. WHO's GonNa? Be Shit, but you have to look. Teams with the fixtures and you know we all now you're not. It's probably have the best run. Teams like show say less star wolves, these teams, the ones. You want to be attack in a little bit more. Than being a bit short saw eight going free estherville applies an. Suffer with for the rest of the season. If you go wild card, I would honestly almost forget about a double gang week. I've seen a few people site I wanted to try and get the best of both are, said a loss episode to fill lack the double game week. We'll let people down. Now is why I might say is. maxed out on Douglas, dougie wrong. There is love. Did I did have less so appropriate. Backup it. If you don't have a wall called I, would obviously. I would forget teams are. Vida may be greenish. Don't want to be having. Matter or assimilate defenders in your team for the rest of the season, so just be wary stuff like that. Think long term or just too old. Or, just have any. Snow I do me go about greenish. What we said, loss episode about Delagation Teams Long Yeah I get that bus. Do not about him or that team. Joe? Say British's go in 'cause I pray. Even coal it but. She looked goalkeeper from at box. It was scrumptious. Release scrumptious Harish truly scrumptious. What God! Eighteen school donate why reddish fingers I with curly hairs hair. I've loved by the rest of my life. Anyway Anyway, FBI feel more. If you WANNA touch chips. Is that triple captain because I? Don't know what to say to you guys about. There is really a time to use it probably issues. We'll have some fun and gaming for right. You could also say that free hit two for eight which I think a few people will be doing for me a little bit more value in Info. It's A. A subject to change if I. Could if I feel like I'm going to need to use it and gave me thirty two when it comes around and I want to use it. You know I mean. You've used it well. You've already used it on my free here. Triple captain. To my free hair, you moved on without letting the listeners know where you moving onto. Ratio of mentions appreciates hold switch from triple. Cut into free here. I'm pretty sure. He says I in combat triple cutting in. And then you could, you could use infer randomly. Set free hitting. The triple when you can use that, you might want to use it for. And then you wait for the fun of it. I love using the free hitting it for. No reason to you realize I'm right well, maybe all, but no one was here was going over some before we talked about side. Well, let's conclude I may now you've been told everything for about twenty four hours of thinking. What's Your Plan of Action? Just going to copy me no well see like I, said I've got my night pattern pains have destroyed some nights down. I'm just GONNA have to take into account you say and they might be just look at it from my point of view and see what works best for me. So you also well, obviously bench maybe does seem not the right thing to do this wake. Oh, my be kept him for me. Because I have semi Pires and they've got the. One have FRAC- plies. I mean pretty much everyone. Abe Foot Labor. Shit, that's what you said last bow preseason wherever what you're used to size for you season, yeah! That's what. Do you in all my God. When you just walk by you in preseason wherever you want to call the season that we've just about that we've carried on. What? Are you talking about my God when you? Back, you know that you said that. You crazy pill. No, you say preseason well. Don't know what you'd call talking about the half the season. We've had away that when. Greenish scoring a goal scrumptious goal. WHAT THEY GONNA do we say I'm saying in that time back then you use. This is mostly share. AM. God when the season started lot last. August and just finished a march in that time. He was share. Yes, what what you think you think are think man city our sheets, yes. I mean come on. No, you come on you. Many Times. May them and let shit who not sterling. Sterling Sterling at A. As in this as him isn't the point now, yes, and then you're all ready to eat. And they said they haven't got these By do yeah. Will you remind me that I was shit? Spoiler alert studying same. Shut up! No big spoiler. But. Yeah, let's move onto the players now. The juicy stuff Ashley do this. Would you mean you're the leader? Should we go? We do all teams, I or should we do just talk about teams in general? I Will Martinez talking shot. You don't really yeah. Let's talk about a double game. Workers Yeah, first of all, so a lot of people are going to be of a free in or unlimited transfers and bench boasts and wildcard in social a one week same only so let's focus on my dubliners. Fate Neo variation, if you free here in obviously duty to strengthen eleven. If you bench boost, and you do need to build a good fifteen. Who'd you WANNA start with? Let's start with your favorites. Human City who are finger shit apparently. Yet? Let's start with. So you think you should have free. Yet. Not One too well for me. I've currently got free in my name and in in my new. One. I've tried doing. I think that she only tow, but I was looking to have free. You definitely want free I mean obviously I won't very. On the one person that has frac- a Os as long abused me for it, and now you're telling me to definitely have free, so make up your mind to play Arsenal and Bernie. Yes, I know. That Mansi Bernie fixture is the warm which could bring you. The biggest points fulfilling if things fall implies perfectly, which I should really say, they probably be travel triple triple cat's name. Paul, so we agree on. We agree everyone should have free city which city that is the question well I'll go very strong views. I think burner is. Is it just a definite? Yeah, yeah, he took the Donald he's. He's just in stone. Essential. Let's just call it what it is lot. Deploy never sensual right see I. I've at studying law season. Always season sterling will never realistically leave my tame, but he has Munoz hasn't because it was just draft I she. showed me and he wasn't. It wasn't any due to the the obvious just playing around all. Yeah, you just jog your kid. I'm sure style in one hundred seventy in my tame and now. Team, he one hundred percent. Give it. You go understand, amy. Sterling is a risk. The I've been winning to tight for two years and will continue like I may. Say Sterling was call eight, one hundred, not acting like you might enjoy US I am one person is probably stuck with impressive houses and regardless of. Today I didn't get no i. told you we were just. So which free okay! What about this trip? WHO attack or double attack with the defender? I'm thinking triple attack. See this has been the toughest because I mean. Realistically what what you're on your options defense. You got the poll. You have got Benji remainder which I think is an outdoor shower. Now I, think some of the think of is just not as good as the choices. Edison is the one which hurts me. He was actually in much draft, but then I run money elsewhere. So I had to take him out by I would say if you all going do it. Double attack and Edison would be the white. You can afford that. You can easily a folk that yeah I mean. It, doesn't he? Yes, obviously ages to to attack him then of CD, free attack because the attack Assad expensive. Think about this, yeah? All snow and Bernie you. What aren't as bad as they used to be. You gotta remember that Yeah. I'm still hopeful. What's? The student is GONNA. Defeat is more star. Is that like so much softer? Misdemeanor Mortgage Shit. Move in bar. Just logically. Yeah, a GOOD FIXTURE CLEAN CHIC! Charnley They turned us over to free nil and in got Burnley which should be a clean shape. Think about this year Edison only ever schools, two points or six points doesn't really get saved. Really get bonus, but I. Can say to golds two or six. If you assume yes safe bet, they'll get at least one cliche two games. I site points from six new Playa when you'd say that's good. Yeah, if Sterling, if third in external eight points, these scores in one game doesn't play the of all you take that and he's eleven. Meal and Edison could easily get twelve offering I think to myself the fuck site, not just safe easy points in my opinion, but don't have him. Because I'm taking I'm just reading site guy. Sturdy they she's a pure gut feeling. No have yeah. Completely agree up in not looking the instagram because he's my five up in watching him trying stuff, not just being according to the season with area. That's of because of actually. March. At one draft Alabama. And Edison and now be Straw. Are Literally. Sterling means a town of Alabama. Yang, own Edison. As a crazy, am right now crazy! But yeah, Mark Gut feeling. Sterling Atto thing is go. The chart supply illuminates are now you know saw is back. The Mauricio Bernardo Silva. There is going to be a lot of rotation with congestive games, but this is why for me, because there's a lot of people, go more sturdy. And if you saw much square very strong, opinion that mile race, he's a big avoid for me. If you you remember I mean we're not had Morris. fucking new IVA well. Yeah Eight Bang for May, and that was when he was in Paik. Foam, it was an unbelievable foam, getting and double digit returns every game, and then what happens peps do fucking him. When he was fucking looking at the best player in the fucking leg. Think about this year on. I can't guess pet roulette against awesome. Would you really see be the lineup? Queiro Sterling Bernardo Silva. That's what I would guess and Burley or what? He might put Mars on for that. He's still got. Sean I guess they're all get minutes because we've got five subsoil. Even if I start that probably come off and Moore's. Maybe he's got enough time to get a law points, but for me sterling just feels lack forms. Reset now, so it worked in his favour. Bad Long season is is. Is Reese as start the season? Banging first game, this season gets west time. I mean over norm. Eastern is quite good. Casinos happens coming back especially if sauna plays. Imagine, if saw name Sterling Comeback Together. That's why I won. I, won the. In San I I won't name free. I scared the risk of San I, because awful lot as well. I think he would get subbed normally because of his injury, but now it's even more Harvey's because of the five shops. Yeah, and he's not only that. Even Stein is going. Pep Immune above with him. Question I did ask my dad that he would you cheat chose out of sterling I, and after a pause of about a minute he sits on I. What yet, but. You. Is, is that question? Hey should pay for the the season to season, but if you go, amy, if you. Know Erin plonker sterling SONAE SONAE, because you prefer ms a player. Did you ask the right question. Play if. It means when you pick these players. Just picking thinks our relaxed more. Anyway law I would I would love to I'm Sony and if we get any word that you can apply Faulk, a might bring him in because that phrase up walk, free meal, Sterling on, but yet another reason I chose sterling over Obama in Edison. He's because next week. Sterling to sawn will be very easy whereas it wouldn't fight Obama. Young instead of Sterling, so that was a deciding factor, but we'll get onto also in a minute. Walk by Guero sees. A? Gray arrive does seem to do really well when he plies, he's on the best. Of You, say he. Actually a peak than sterling. But a lot would argue that. Yes, but I don't know I just feel like again. They've. Ever Good Attacks Laco Rashford human as Russia Vesey Spurs your. County in a minute so. You think Rashford one game against. Spurs. He's than Guero. Two Games also Bernie. You're thinking. To be this. Yeah, who could get a hat-trick? This guy in wake? Guero. Don't sit it. Also bought a guerra. He didn't even ask the question you in who? Actually this guy we need you, said a guero. Between! What between anyone I'm to talk about wear I have anymore no avenue. Where you you take your team and tell me, I scared. You are you'll be fucking? You'll be hard and beyond your couch lot nine manage tomorrow. Yes, also yeah Aquar-. Easily Bang, empathize games obviously, the question is minutes guerra on now Jesus younger fee allies, because there is murmurs of people, maybe picking Jesus or even a Guero and Jesus. Would you think about I not? Because, you know you've got one of the applying. Yeah, but then some guy at both of them so. Then you might only be getting. One point is from them You'd think if you think he's got bugs. One goal from both of them really well, you'd hope so. Yeah about you just doesn't always these. Are Now. You've just arguments I need you. And, but they did seem to lose games that you'd think that they wouldn't normally lows. I mean they've lost the lot of essays. IMPRE- convincingly seven not been as good as before I buy. Of See no, so this is one now we've just got our faith in the break was actually the best time for that to happen today. I can reset and combat stronger than ever you ever amy the not not much to play every it. You peppy still going to want to. See Can. We should was troubling. Yeah, they're PROB-, PEPs probably GonNa Cabinet Fa Cup me because he's got second and his NFL COP saw probably met. Guy Me for it, so fixture could be trouble for humanitarian supplies, but by then we're gonNA fucking one because the plan. Liverpool anyway. Yeah, I, guess I, but in just because I pine doesn't really mean it means that it's going to be up logic time. Yes. He's true. It will be a of good guy who. They this is the thing Navea, as they the rivals of the whole season. I don't just because he's doing cop. Does that mean he's going to drop, he's. Metroplitan Misbah scoring points. Beat them regardless. Yeah, but you have triple SEATAC into the best lay the best defense in the league. You'RE GONNA. Get fucking. Oil No no, but that's why people free in that way. He's the best week. If you go into the Spurs Game Week, we've free see I agree I agree, and you remember yet for for Your Moods, the fixture run for cities spectacular obviously. We Nov going to be like that could fill for gas. They monoplace ago. The keep that in mind that fixture run for years scrumptious, but yeah, inconclusive for a affil-. Jesus Sawn I mend. Your free city players. Precious so a tongue take. I'm not wearing too tight. I, so a risk in the best ones debris now queiro off to sterling. If you disagree with that completely tight, your point because I'm Gonna I'm going purely of. An artist feel. Studies. Going to do well is weak for pure Gut Falem. Talked about arsenault now because. As of talks about auto of Obama Yang per is is pretty much a stipe when a law teams going for Golden Boo. Got Two games or at once against the Abe he has wants Brian many schools almost every dime. Why wouldn't have him? Wa wouldn't have him because whereas a choice for this week. You can have a little bit of both. But they ain't gonNA arrive debris, not studying guerra and Don. Sterling a low people have now acquire Obama Young, which is sensible, but for me look. Or whatnot hive awards sterling study could starting to get two goals in the season. The Bernie game get cover cogan sauce known whereas Obama Yang Concept scoring at sea. He can. Probably will. Probably definitely crime and Make may boast go in that as well but for me. I'm just not really. Linen also of never at any point of much off, so tinkering had free arsenal could a little paper also teams, we've. Zoo? PAPY LA also defenders Leno's different of Atlanta's a great paper. Actual Defenders Bella Rain Louise Thatch feel bad to me. Lot just doesn't feel good especially with a city. Fix chime one of them lot. The law is everyone could begin to poisonous. Defenders even less peppy is one of the guys like I, said he just. Gives you sterling vibe, she he could. If you got PEP papy. Could be good, but people are still come on. Guys what you're doing to yourself slot really good through this. What you folks I me. Aur Main Year is not really the at. If you're going to anyone from Austin ease African, we're to pay pay pay by Myung all my black if he's not tight. School a couple of goals in. The preseason games. Point pre. How'd you keep Konate preseason and then? You because you didn't have a clue what you're talking about I told Ya. But Yeah lack. Of. At all well, that's soccer. Soccer, the loop interesting four point seven mill of these originated strikeout, but then he was playing left back then. Striker the left winger who is a midfielder? Down as its element of food on the game, but we tierney back. Maybe we do see SACRA. Lift wing maybe. It's hard not right now. We don't know who say can apply off being also assured play soccer because he's been fantastic. I don't think trouble. Japanese place if t knees back zoom. Could play sacrame- left. Yeah, who normally plays? OBAMACARE! We'll. Play Obama out front. B- I'm asking what he's applied that he will drop. Who is likely to be drops well if? If, he goes left-back Sakho, from left back to left wing, coming from left wing destroy echo, and then the gets dropped. Again could easily play. We just don't know for me also just through good to me. How many also players of you guys had throughout its FBI? General well, fuck you. Many of you remember when you minded me for having Leno for. Twelve weeks yet? What on the emory? When we never kept getting cliches yeah, Armand but I yeah eggs about shower or we now go a new manager. WHO's kept cliches? Yeah, we have so yeah. But yeah. Asked yourselves out. How many also plaza you at this him? Maybe bombing before we ended before pose wherever colder preseason. Exactly. That's a main the also plays. They're not the asset saint-nazaire lot. They say for me Leno. Obama Yang Max. If you WANNA put Saccharin for an eye, Blah in Nashville on the part from that. Don't really appeal to me. What are shifted United I may. Emerge to tame as it stands of got the one you a joke, you move. In you mean. The One I. Do have stayed in. Henderson which I think, he's still a great a he's got some quite easy features. The he could out on. Let me just double. Check it. Yeah I mean as him veterinary costs. So that is great, too. That is a great goalkeeper. A double camera copy leave. Yes, the fixture the great again. You wouldn't shift for united. They find him for the time, Ho Chef. You know it's now. Newcastle took the title I mean. You don't you know? I asked him a new also. To whatever you not, yes! I think he's a peak okay, but then you've got remember that they fought the other teams to find first of all. We knew Corso Kana safe. Somehow I don't know how. FUCKING SHIT! Yeah, so maybe he's in great shape because they might come harder than ever. And then you lose a limb. Cliches Cyber Chef you know is to a summit to play for themselves. The Champions League football, but they fence been one of the best second best in the League I. Think Friendship for your. Players or sensible, the question is do you go Donald Defense we want, or do you go triple defense? Well. Why did you do that well true? Who Day friends who other shift defense all season? And they've got double game week for one week. You'd eighty do triple. He's a hard because you look at the features, and you think they're perfect, but then you go I, just said you've got to remember that. The teams are fine, so you don't fancy you're not. She fancy the clean sheets them this week. I Wa- fancy. Don't let me turn. It took you out of if you. Think I'm I'm I'm? Thinking I'm just telling you there. I'm keeping mum because think about this year a all paper, triple shift defense and triple asthma attack. Okay so what do I think that I think? I I have a guy makes easy life, still a sensible thing, but yet for me of not contribute defense. Of. One Hacker we cheese. Who Do you think there's only there's only one or whatever consider a new site your side is. I. Can't remember. The other one is not as a midfielder lunchroom now as a defender. He's not as in the guy in. Yeah, got one midfielder Fleck. He's flex flake flake. East sleep! Because you got me. I wanted you calling fleet Vision was Heym and I think I'm capable just because on nate that low price imam midfield, so he would probably be the I do person to Cape Flex. So ideal flicky so ideal. Five mill is attacking Fred. He's on certain set paces. And is it double Guy Week Guy Mike and released the burden of free clean shape, which oldest be sweating so much for its triple defense, so I'm happy with that, because these are the teams, I e J joking around. We've seen certainly reach new. Dake. Talking. To defend his year to a free which ones which mean to very some somebody will not afraid defenders. Yeah, who is your top free including the goalkeeper? The goal K. PA lunch stream. Stevens on the. Yeah. Still go him. Spoiler Wong. Him also it's not your pro tame. Original team now I haven't confirm transfers muffing out and he's doing my tame. He's going to be covering all right 'cause I need money somewhere down rights, which cheaper I need like four, free or something far put one, but my my plan my next transfers for the next week so. A need a little bit more money, but yeah, anyway. What about your your? Because? At least if you don't have a wildcard, Henderson? Has Manchester United the next week and he called play against him. Mono because he plays with Manchester United. Henderson yeah. Does He. Yeah, he's on loan from Manchester United to United. Then you've got to make sure that you've got a good back. Okay Pa? Yes, yeah, but yeah. I could shout Stevens and Bolduc unbelievable shouts. Yeah, you're talking about shape defenders in a good defense. Who get attacking returns. FUCKING WINGBACKS! Familiar of prefer Budak ever so slightly only because it's a little bit are Stevens got a couple of injuries and I teach sign. I left back. Think he's bone salaries, a little bit competition for Stevens whereas Bolduc. There's some so bulldogs in definitely go stevens off now. The free backs Egan Basham O'CONNELL, and then you go lunchroom. Do you take the risk on Lord lunchroom? hard-won any because he was getting dropped bear before preseason. Yes, but we know we can do any place that, so it's just basically what stands the manager what? He's GonNa. Do Yeah I mean. That is the first game in a game week if we're really lucky. News might leak out lunchroom's play him. If happens, is in lock, said on needs America and. Is My favorite center the free, just purely because you just guy for though now at a free setbacks, swingback wingback Bollocks, number one steve to their the wingback looking. If you WANNA go, if you on the CENTREBACKS, Oklahoma, my favorite, free understood, but Yeah I love the Oakland or lunchroom. Forget new luxury can apply his in or just can't pass up shoe name because all sodium quite early when? When you get drops and then people that held him because I add bigger problems at Martin Kelly ended up lunch, implying fucking scoring I bench Benjamin. Gamer scored as well I her owner. Forget them, but yeah. I don't want that pain again, so if the Lord is in. Is it multi and informally Aston Villa? You didn't missile wrong. Now I may have done is very what what you? Kinda sorry? The final Dublin team or Aston Villa. How many Aston Villa players are going to be in your Tamie none, but he's one week. They're not doubling. So ask as well. Yes, I may. Fourteen Dublin. You've put so much for into this. Same Flick. Seen. Not, doubling no might even play each of all. And I see play offs. Norm Bernie Awesome City, and brought him for airplay Villa Newcastle and Villa Plight Sheffield. And Chelsea so you don't want any estimate. Applause now, even though another Dublin Nada want any about. Easy being Greeley yet care about him. Okay. Who are you gonNA have instead I may yeah. You need a cheap a treatment. Are you to join our sterling? Zone I apparently team when I. Know Right now. You say to go free. Cipla I'm going to reflect. In deploy now and then I'm contemplating. We're Cape Trial Right. And then we're. GOING TO FOLD MA in Greeley. She's quite shape his name. Yeah, okay. Greenish must be a good option. If Villa are going to be staying up. Yeah, it all comes down to check relish. Just don't to single handily. Keep them up. I'll get what you say, but just think about in. That doesn't make me feel comfortable. Having him, you must hayme greenish greenish, and now with the first name name, even though yeah, that sheltie fixtures a tough one. Lock your team is going to be very close to mind now I may. Because sterling to Boina Aquar- I. All Then you've copied flick as well as corporate flack for Boise marriage. No, his name. Hoping may more meet Phil five deploy not Sterling Flake check check check Greeley. An Mcginn on doubling up on the villa attack. Again cheap affordable a Lotta. People worried about begins minutes. He's been out all season long and at that point, but who else I'm GonNa live now do I want cantwell four point seven mill. Campbell's okay got one game lot Mcginn. Just love Mcginn offing for far put four mail. I'll take Mcginn. Always does is nonstop fucking money it was it was in full training before the season polls. Villa, we're GONNA definitely nate him. Offing McCain gets gets mini's personally, but I could easily be wrong, but. A Lot Mcginn Yoni UvA honor. Actually I. Do have referred villa. Go on to is means. Not. You say the upfront defenders. That's all. I, have right now. I've never even Adam Pepe Reina well. He was a very good goalkeeper for Liverpool Day. Old now, he's comes. looked shaky. Even couple games people were speculate anymore. Not Be first choice. Think kneeland Norrland want play. I'm just GONNA to. Go much choice because Ford of chosen sterling and Reiner Ro Robert and the Obama Yang and Edison route. Of got writing doesn't feel amazing. Hopefully gets a couple of points Samatha of seen a few teams with your folks from Samantha was so matter, Baby. Is is is there's been a strike car? Car Answer I. Don't know who he is. This folks on matter because our right some our or I to write him off. Ing Looks Very Good for villa. A Lot Adam fucking wisely ways -ly but. What you do ways Lou will advil finds with size. Night went night because A. Booming you might. Ask Do Aston Villa. Birmingham. You can't get them next, and that's where we had leaves well. Yeah, Matab speak for a very long time, so he picked up. Oh! Tau A Matter I've writes a matter a lot better known wisely, but artists filled up as a local options in our forward spots and he's just not. The ones, I'll have pre-match. Oh I! Have I have a query into single game. Waco's because that's how often are. We better Vince Amata and also Obama Yang. Obviously, you're having some. Shit! Sorry, you've just got. There's a lot more pigs. Shit let me get ashtray. I am not someone you can site. You guys semester share so matter is good artist. Fool. Audit Philip is better for this week. Free Four sports a precious. Don't one a guy who's got. How many goals one two exactly? Why would you do that well? In January things so give him a little bit. Yeah, that's Awesome Ville de tablets. Now Toke, single gang, weaker, teams or single guy, make a players that we one. Who is your mind I? I don't i. Take my may your original team which stirred and flake. Who Copied? WHO's in it? It's alcohol. And Troy. fucking now my triple woes. And untreatable right? Soppe the. Bench to. Thing that's going to be very bad, but if five stops as opposed to humanize zoos lot fucking night. Probably but all of them who are seeking to get immediate was actually him as believe it or not say Jimenez never left Martin Budgets. Do so like if I would ideally like to keep him in his Asia. Never say bad pick. She loves shorter. Even have the best times last season when he was nine. Bang Bang Bang Munoz Code called him early bursting game I. Mean Avon Him. You got for me, didn't you? Move Me Yeah. That's why I WANNA. I don't WanNA teach that well. There's no reason not to wall wolves, a definitely a team. You Want Plaza in that West I'm game like score. A couple of goals in troy alway on really lack is not really a fucking. Troy out you, don't you? Be Awful for me? Yeah, but he's a good player you. Badly we fucking. GonNa play. But Yeah La Wolves. Jimenez and Talk A. They're both teams. Would also. Him In isn't. Talk. A that. Wolves for wolves or add to have humanist and talk in. The Plaza have he's. He's a great shout, but he is expensive. Yeah, well, it was him or Van Dyke and of already got trend another spoiler. Meka. Copy Me Trent. trae ninety trade and human as their plan that people have value up in so something without WanNa get rid of him. It's been brought him back for more Jew of. Of La Worth into them. Yeah, because obviously you mean you had a conversation about said just remember not to say womb. Like if you bring him back, you're going to lose the money, so I had today when I was looking. And basically everyone in my team has gone up in price other than study in, so he was actually the easiest choice to get rid of at the time because I could bring him back for the same amount both see as already discussed Hayes emoting. Okay shelby like wolves. Any other teams you're looking at this week to be on his own. People have free, free free. Free Teams in my team. So. I am Free Liverpool frame. Say Free Woche Muslims very basic. Let's Talk Liverpool Yeah. Prize you. I'M GONNA. Just keep the today the two defenders of TREND YOU'RE GONNA kate to yeah yeah. Say All when I and Van. Earlier drafts I was really lacking. You know this could be a little bit differentiator. Leo. Still the league's not one year. Got One or two games wrapped up. is to we still talking in the best defense in the league, even against which is a sly, tough Guy Milwaukee. Fans but the clean sheet could easy bigger, but I think sensibly. Just, one of them is fine. Liverpool's a tough one. Because half the half of people leave a poor completely gonNA focus on getting ready for next season. They're going gonNA protect their players. Cops going to start trying to develop his youngsters. Lot Harvey Harvey Elia Cut, Jones. Get Minute Ceriga I mean some people think look cop could get history. Directly for most points I think he's GonNa guy for history. Do Arctic will bar, We may. Nine we at. She lost episode actually aiming but yeah. That's my bill belief, but could be wrong a something we can actually assess as it happens. You don't have to assess now. All we know for now. We're focusing on this week. I'm the next week if you like myself. WHO's building for? Two Teams Live Palace in gaming thirty one trip with. Trump with day for me. The attackers ceremony again. They're reliable. You know what I would actually. My Santa Bit local here. I would probably have Salad Orman I. Are. Even by. As double gaming. Sarah Monae. They? Could every game they lot to school whereas a Balmy Yang? Fixture you really belonged comfort uproar among which oversees came by in Jim Rome. We don't WanNA spend twelve MIL-. One Saturday morning when we go, see players again Obama Yang, which I disagree with, but he's there as well just doesn't really make sense what about Chelsea amy, because since the very start of the game launch him of said to myself or I need. I chose player well. I've still got loans on on planning on keeping him. Yeah, Alonzo will again be a risk Amazon black without. A lamps going do but offset from a star. I WanNa Lonzo Mount or Tammy. And let me just tell you my phone with lemon now because we've been revealed I, want you to think about his who she thinks. This Is Been. Agonizing for me for very long time we'll we'll. which free would you rather have Alabama Young? Mounts and Edison or Tammy sterling and Reina. That one. The last one. Really. Feel Paper would sail by me young, Mount and Edison. But at the same time I feel like tummy is a pick, the mound, and do you think of studying is my five? He's been picked by me. Angled over the season. A lot better and rhino a lot bell. Yeah, but then as you said it is normally does where he doesn't normally see this as especially. He's taken like two points. Yeah, most of the season we have but I have called the pope back. We've got to mention and boosted the fence, but yeah, that's where it came down to vote for free. Artists said to myself two fingers may go for Sterling. One article that sturdy, and if I didn't have any pangs, that would hurt so much more. Obama Yang now banging when I. Don't have him, and then secondly like I said next week when I want to bring in Sawn estimate difficult to. Electric on afford it with Edison and Obama Young, whereas a can afford it. We've having rain rain. Go and govern sterling down to psalm a main upgradings Hameed to Vardi. So hold on is that. Just for your free hit Nice for gaming for a while I'm going to do a monitor for so you only having stunning for one guy might yes Jesus. What about show save next week and then leave a wake after? Of got the Bruins? Arrive that's, enough. To fuss about sterling, but you know if during banks four goals in two games, my Bill Cape Him who knows, but yeah any other teams or any other players, because actually wrote down a short list of old applause, consider him, and the four forwards were aquarium. Obama Yang humanize Tammy and in one of our Rashford now. Nine. In. Yeah he's actually my team at the moment. In my original Yeh. I am looking him because he was on bloody good phone auto audits. In hardly any teams and is against Norwich. Who's The fucking worst? Davis League. Norwich! Funding for finding alternate, think came and I. It's fucking definitely know H. No, which have to fucking win these games now they're. They're pretty much down unless I fuck into a miracle so i. don't need drawers. I need winds. They're gonNA fucking. Go frigging Southampton you. Don't think innings in against fucking an attack in Norwich. Young, Donovan Mitchell cusack slot, elect him in his tummy more. That's the only reason certainly everyone's reason they're going to for. Obama Angle Tammy Rashford. Well, we'll up. People don't have tammy. People's off. It's emplyees Aguero. HUMANISTS! And you can't argue with that, but. If you've. INGS INGS is very likely to school. Let's just get Australia against Norwich. She is unless of course you know he's not feel awesome. For pokey was going to be in your top five last week raving about him. Yeah, yeah I was, but each others don't like him as much as the others offering Pook, he's no show. Some people have him a lot. More people have poke even though. From what I've seen. People say that's a fact. I've not seen ings in a single team. Poke a few and again. Last week or LAS, episode Paulie by Ebay. Go free, they need wins poker planning. Every single game is a ties man, other things about shower. Lock, said, that's why don't have people are. Are these free? Forward? Sports are so precious like you really need. So I'm gone with the best of the best, even not young. But yeah, so, is there anyone else you'd be looking at any? Other fixtures were back. She's still got like some shape pies. Mattamy and I'm not gonNA unsure what to do with them, but if you're bench, boot and I'm you need to realize you need a good fifteen players craze, but see lie of court like less sales, for example in my original team and stave of color sales, but they actually quite good peaks for the price that they they inject Stevens who suffered yes. Do. Do I kate. Them! Because they actually quite good for their price or do I know? What I think statement is a great show. I mean no China. Bad fix shop. think Norwich will be looking to school, but let cells is a mighty. Aaron, also plonker. Why would you go to sell one Game Robin Taro means to? fucking a lot, new cost, defense, fall, bed, and Aston, Villa Defense and prosperity got rain, and now new Cars Oregon shift AIDS that could easily stink of a new new. And the Celtics four point free meal is infamy is in copied me again. Now I know Erin now I may haven't copied a single plow yours. You have any other fixtures. Lot less star what Food Jiwa. At least. Everyone was free less star. Of course none you've done. Wo I was the by ENSUITE show? Over such fancy, Lascelles, being cheaper and slightly better fixture. Of next week. My plan is body timing to Vardi. Let's broaden. Could even be captain shout. Bodies A lot. Just Bang again in a would be loss this week, but we lost next week, but yeah. Can Wilson. I was very high on Kevin Wilson I ask what was that about? Still are still think we're kind of moving would do well these on your top five evening. I would definitely Stephanie and myself same stop being silly pretty pleased about eight farmer can. Still are still really like Wilson. Rely pokey A lot. These players are just lot like the ones. I've got more. Time is the first Straw for Chelsea Catamarans a fertile struck off for Gatien same. It's just hard to really make a case. Wilson Iva Tammy but. Could be wrong could be wrong, but yeah I think that covers most of guy meet for fixtures. Anyone else you'd be looking at no I. Think we've covered everyone up in Kenner. What am less to autism off teams and captain finished week now. Well. We know you may original time. Well, we to be honest. We know I'll come for a few days. I'll have goal and might be the captain's Captaincy. On guero! Iva T. Rowe lists reveal the PLUNKETT. Hey, the perfect team and I'll just say if you guys want to win your F-, Peo- many lakes copy. Copy Martin because this will get you victory. You hype completely Jockey Nishikori Awful. See My bench boost team for this week has ten doubles five singles, Goalkeepers Leno and Rainer one chef, where you not a sport which will go to lunch, trim or corno alongside jokes. Not Have, Trent talk a and cells so. That's free single guy. Wake is only my defence. The midfield five deploy now stirling, flake, greenish and Mcginn I mean up top Queiro Jimenez Abraham. That team is going to do fucking wonders of a next week. Because Chelsea Pike city which ain't the best chef on a plumbing are AIDS. We're going to do in free for you. Know AIDS. Luckily just about bench or free. My you're not implies. Villa still have an okay game against Newcastle Luckily but outdo Tammy up to forty. You play him a mental. Do Sterling down to son plays West Palm that. The cat for that. We will be a little bit tricky. because. If you have a Balmy. Yang probably aren't severe, but you manage lies fixture. No one really got Liverpool players so. Is My plan and then for two I'm GONNA free hit. We. Got On the bathroom is just next week yes sawyer. Story. And obviously, if Tammy and Sterling Bank these week, then we're going to change anyway, but that's my plan off. When revealed clunkers plan, but yeah, let's focus on this week. Who is your captain to wrap this up? Of just tell you. Really Yeah See I'm a scientist. Say is hard because it's Harper I think I am going to sway from the bryner a Queiro. Easily Bang Sterling could easily bang participate fully obese Cypher on the Boina just exit apply the most minutes our full timing. It saw snow will pay WANNA. US Games where is own possession ought will be trying to put on a defensive class. It's going to take some magic from the point to one defense and win the game. And then pearly. eighty-one Comeback Against Bernie and that game, but that's my folks, if go and will go. Oh, y'all got my voice on a sterling. A finger goes during over guerra. But there's nothing in. It is nothing in it. Every ski in that I will predict the future. We don't know what's going to happen, but that is no reason. Why didn't really have a Bum Yang? If he's not gonNA, be my captain say. In my near a captain, CPI law just. Realized Aurora Sterling Bamiyan, but yeah, do we have anything else talk about? You may know been really boring. Yeah I'll say. This will just make an owner. Folks of my chest. You've been taking me every day this week where we go to the puck when we doing we're doing. Iron I'm working I'm denise. I'm doing that last. When I get in from work with our our forecast lay all F pl. into. That fancy plunk recount again scrolling fruits, I just Phuc so good often our much politics in corona virus lot. She's nice to get back into fpu we do have also plonker. Liam Ninety six would Mrs. Plonker flower will be able to stop a to meet Tree Pyatt, free. He's. Is he good? Getting over a high bending down could free-kick year for Western. flou- will seven foot tall, so maybe it yeah, seven seven foot ten inches without to shoot from range from their. Free Kicks has out how the box is going to struggle to get over seven foot wall. Down again. Yeah, he's seven foot both ways as well. It's quite big. So I'M GONNA. Say No we can't. You could probably blow right fruit laconic. Don't do that. Destroy all that money after spent. An FBI shark below. US about lunch and being back, and can you be trusted, and if we don't is flick more than able replacement, and you also asked, put your remaining chips in order of when you use them for me, it will be bench boost, then freak. Says is. Mojo. Yes, it does burn great minds think lack cast in the nearly season as well so you'll probably not at the park. Yes I'm sure we will always much better than me. But yeah lot for me. Flex shooing them amount. War are really fleck. lunchroom I'M GONNA on news if I don't get any news. How I'm undecided, the question was gonNA to be trusted. The question is no I can be trusted, but do you want to gamble on it? We all know. The magic overlord Monday, so. One thing. I'm not the Saudi on yet. If I don't feel, I can apply a income swerve. Soft warm and then yeah, remaining chips in order for me. Bench boost then free here if people want to free hitting gaming for. The worst shy she's not. It's not. It's not going to do it. But what are you going to bench for a free hit thirty one nine? Furry for a one I'm going to bring in sewn involved as. Content demonise for. Wild Card for free. Bringing said you're GonNa talk among annoy players live for seeing a great run in. We know if they're gonNA, be lot seem to go to war because they might not be trying, but leave. A pokes to a annoy aid Chelsea of a great running. A maintains that West Damn. Ever good one in as well so they could be. Team to target. I mean you know you shift for a players you also plays. You can fuck him right off. Let's just say out. Nice. But Yeah I it for this episode, not really in a tiny number one of information after the game star eight and we've got actual things to talk about. It could get back to the original. Put cast in that we we we love. Love you fucking. Doing, I, mean it's just it's just hard work especially now when I'm not watched, any angle crew was going to happen. Yeah, but hyperinflated would be a helpful episode because up and. Pods minute large. Information views. They've won strategies. and. I'm very happy with more. Let's your site up. Kushiro cue may doing fucking overnight in this guy. Is it forty episode. Guys Good Looking Guy Week thirty plus. In on the APP. You're going to be senior team before they'd law naming. Ni-. It's. Pave copy may or seen as she is. No, yeah, all. We posted mourn. Thank you need to. A unless we get some news all. Know, maybe some coronavirus Casey's here. That could change things. Did you know a niche player? Go testy if for coronavirus and they just played. In a friendly now you didn't. But apparently, apparently, only that player self foster lights, everyone's come into contact with because apparently the premier league, according to government of Voice Day implying football not to be close contacts, because they only come into physical contact for a limited amount of seconds during the game. But we have to stay is part me, but that's not close contacts. Fuck call talking politics. Sunday league training back. Yeah I ain't no fucking government. Breaking God lines walk on play football. We didn't it didn't have to wear gloves when their plane. Like latex gloves. Moss. Vice, because we. Burn. Up. But people wear I. Wear gloves in the summer anyway so. Yeah I'm sure I'm sure more showers to gloves on. Is that. There might day. Yeah, anyway, must enough politics no cares about krona. Much sort about enough and yet. If you like this episode, Guys Fu free to subscribe and unlock tunes. Give a fossil review if you WANNA. Fantasy underscore plonker from a photo ammunition we are at Michigan. Ohio. As. Well then please do. Please do so. You said I just coffee now, warnings. Tonight. But. Yeah, that's it from US chairs goes MP.

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The Leviathan Chronicles

31:43 min | 7 years ago

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"Leviathan. Season two. The story this fall. The strikeforce mission has failed off to mcallen also led a small strikeforce out of Leviathan to obtain the location of a black door safes. A trap was triggered decimating the facility mcallen and her team were heavily injured in the teams tracker and Tactical Gregor Againsy is still unconscious. In Japan tally has been granted freedom by the Yakuza. Gangsters the captured he an Oberlin after being betrayed by fish Freddie. He is convinced Kazunori. Tanaka the CEO of nine cats, who industries and secret head of the Yakuza this. He knows the location of Tacoma's missing son who is being held by Jason. Sterling Tanaka gave tally his freedom and seventy two hours. Hours to find his son, and bring him back to Japan if he fails to NOCCO execute Oberlin. Sin Clan, but back in New York City. A long-awaited showdown is about to take place with Robinson section have joined forces. They've set up a rendezvous point with Jason Sterling who has now become mutated and perverted since establishing an unstable cerebral connection with two enforces. That were burned alive in Mumbai leaving his body stronger, his mind, Kina and his skin, scarlet shade of Red. Sunshine has agreed to help doe number twelve find the so accion aliens using a device. He has hidden in New York, and now chapter thirty five the station. BINGHAMTON NEW YORK. The Black Gulfstream six fifty jet landed on the remote gross estrogen near the catskill mountains. OF UPSTATE NEW YORK. No lights were visible on me interior and the plane moved go strike into the open doors of the concealed hand wants the hangar. Bay Doors Shut secure. The interior floodlights in the hangar popped on, and the hatch door of the jet was released feels nice to be back on us. Soil was not not to be under attack. Need to get you to a doctor wet I. have some I'll be fine session. Our door has facilities that. You don't the intelligence in Mumbai shows that the door lock burn notice is in full effect, and that you when your compatriot Jason Sterling are now wanted men with almost all major intelligence and law enforcement agencies. You'd be lucky to by tylenol. At a Walgreen Jarlee. The slender pilot of mentions private plane exit. The cockpit walked towards the two men. She removed her headset, allowing dark black heads. Heads full downtown. Admit back sensual looked at her closely, and could see deep circles under her eyes jolly, that was tremendous, flying back in the Paul I'm just glad you made the upgrades to the engines in the venting ports, I suggested operator signature has been substantially diminished, and the speed got us here ninety minutes early. You're blank. Check on jolly. You know that you can for anything. Not Anything. You need to get some rest on jolly. Come on. We need to get to New York. Session wits and honestly walked to the bottom of the jetway. Sanctions Dot Green. Aston Martin DB S was partly the Boston and a dark skinned Gadhafi man, exiting the calm, he nodded swiftly dissension, and then walked up the jetway to enter the Black Mark Lane, which walked over to the cards, places bag in the trunk on Jolly State close to sanction. Do you trust this man mansion? No but I need help to keep our people well then. Do you trust me with my life? You know then just me when I tell you that. This man is not your. Your part now he'll use you all use him on Joey. He's just waiting for an opening, so he can betray you I can sense it. You know we rely on you in. India and immortals aren't supposed to die. Pilots or supposed to work in shifts haven't arrested in twenty four hour. I'm better than your other pilots. Even with no sleep and others rely on me to keep you safe. doubtedly pressed, be careful ascension, or will Anshan. Yes, you know I eat a prey. I've raised my two boys well and now. I fight for a leader I believe in. Don't understand, life can still have meaning section. That's what you don't understand trying to say on I'm telling you to save yourself before you try to save all the others. This new redemption in Mata. I need to go, but if you need. Good luck with your partnership. Call me when you need me or I will send. You took a few steps towards the COP and join twitter inside. I like your taste in cars don't even know. Sensual participate down and sped the car down the gravel driveway on Brits have to. The car picked up speed. Ascension activated the exterior night fishing on the windshield while arming the radar jamming and police frequency monitors looks at his wristwatch. It read full gear. We have less than eighteen hours to rendezvous with Jason Sterling at the station. You confirm that his picked up. Rebecca kinderman Hazar in custody unharmed for now the leader of my doors uneasy with this partnership I sincerely hope for your sake and Rebecca's that you can locate the aliens. Threats we're not threats. They're facts. City bs reached the town of Harriman and then continued to streak south on the New York State through towards Manhattan. Sunshine had the cow cruising one hundred ten miles per hour. The catskill mountains with full passive and active radar detection, but as they grew closer to the suburbs of New York. He brought the speed down to a reasonable seventeen. The congestion on the road was great at even at this early hour, the morning and getting into an accidental, having to deal with law enforcement at this point would be calamitous at best the Aston Cross, the George Washington Bridge made its way down the westside highway, turning off of fifty seventh. Street censure drove through the morning congestion towards Columbus. Circle where he parked in the Driveway Mandarin Oriental Hotel. Checking name, please see more sigler. Sick we don't want another like last time. Won't be any problem I assure you like last just the room place of course the oriental suite on the fifty second floor. Thank you. Walked to the back of the elegant lobby and road, the gleaming glass elevators up fifty stories to the enormous, sweet overlooked all of central park, and Fifth Avenue a Thick Black Velvet Sofa with leopard print pillows encompassed most of the space beside the floor to ceiling windows, while the far wall was dominated by built in bookshelves constructed of Polished Mukasa would. Nice digs. Thanks, I. Hope you enjoy it. What about you now have fifteen hours until we rendezvous at the station and to get some preparations in order, I'll come with. You know you were partners. CENSH- and that was the deal. Do us a collaborate on finding the aliens and freeing them I. Don't need you tagging along my personal errands. You're going to Sutton Manor I. Am and you don't want black door to know where it is. Are you going GonNa give me every black door access code so I. Can Snoop freely through all your files from years of clandestine operations. Operations always know your current location. Identify all your potential targets. We have a partnership, not a merger an I always keep my into the bargain. We're going to find aliens, but I need to take care of some arrangements I to make sure that happens so that the device I've hidden can work properly so in the meantime enjoy the wet bar on the left and watch the sunrise over the skyline I'll be back in a few hours. tweak make a rendezvous, and what and don't try to follow me with or have someone follow me. We're trying. Track me, you understand. That would be violation of our. Partnership. Be Back in a few hours and don't be late censh- turned left quickly, taking the elevator down with exiting through the Jason. Shopping knocked the hotel street level. He walks through Thomas. Pink in the williams-sonoma store to assure he wasn't being followed before entering the subway station at Columbus, circle and taking the downtown express trade to Fourteenth Street. He waits until the doors were about to close before jumping and taking the low to train back uptown to twenty eighth street with Sunshine Ram back to street level and a cab. He had the taxi drop often fifty seventh street and First Avenue Walking into the ATM Insurance of Citibank, but quickly exiting the main entrance around the corner from there he quickly walked the remaining two blocks, two sets manner, the secret headquarters of the rebellion and sentence home for the past seventy years. The Mana was actually a conglomerate of several townhouses there was secretly joined within their interior will, though no one from the outside would ever imagined, the massive assembly could ever constitute single dwelling censure entered at the fifty eighth street entrance, overlooking East River where he passed the retinal fingers swiping Danny test for the powerful locks on the door to a Baltimore all entry. The Great House was empty. And the sounds of his own footsteps mention feel heavy and alone. It's been less than a week and it feels like years have been here as Thomas Faneuil poor, so rave. Young manager is so much grassless. Hey, on plant over the hell. They were eventually secret project. His father works at his father. Know about the aliens who else kept your secrets eventually. Centrum walk down the long main corridor of such manner, and stopped midway through to turn to his left. He paused outside the door took a deep breath dented. The Medical Laboratory lost room where he had seen Cora alive. Once inside? He didn't allow himself the luxury of reminiscing. Opened the medical refrigerator and began to prepare a syringe before pacing into our hard plastic case, and placing it into his Satchel lover of your scopolamine. Buck pitcher would cartoons I thought you read more subtle means of coercion sentence spin around and cocked his walther pistol in doctor's. Alexander. Security for the headquarters of the immortal, convention, hosted his pistol and watched his best friend Wa- cash to the darkness. If the laboratory, the lymph from his artificial leg was just barely noticeable. What are you doing here? I thought you were in Amsterdam I wanted to see what happened to the FANEUIL, a little Turkey script leaping through unknown keells running Greve laws. goons had some thoughts on the hey, on schematics that extol the boys dead Alex. he died a few days ago when we were infiltrating shinbone was killed I. One of those. Forces black door, created. He fought. Bravely ever wonder like everyone seems to die around central. Don't start. It's not fair Alex, you know. I found some blood on the far wall I analyzed it against database. It was Koros. Blood Center, and whoever did it did a damn sloppy job of cleaning up? The best also left his fingerprints on the chair she was sitting in. Closed his eyes tightly. Cora was a traitor. You weren't me out. She was about to reveal the location of Sutton Manor. She was working for wash black door. That's impossible. Help is having an affair with a more the CEO of Katsu Industries. She even had a child with a child. You mean a between. Does she realise decor was using? The child is blackmail. She was going to tell them everything about us. You killed. I made a vow to protect Sutton Manor, the rebellion. That's a greater responsibility that any personal feelings Mit Harvard, I'm beginning to wonder if you have any feelings left at Alex. you are my friend. You'll meet better than this. It was my designed to leap Leviathan. Leviathan, my idea, you understand that I have a responsibility to the rebellion to the hundreds of citizens that walked out of Leviathan. What about Paradise to join me on the surface? There was never a paradise could have been, but I promise that I would take care of them that I would find a way to preserve their immortality that was on my head and now. I think I finally have a way to preserve forever. Cloning experiments John Theresa's child. What's his name? mcallen? No, no, after we've lost control of her. She's been taken to the Leviathan. We can't be sure whether she's alive or that. evangeline hasn't been. More? Persuasive no I. I think another way to keep everyone who left with us alive. How evangeline has kept a horrible secret within the bowels of Leviathan? The SARACENO aliens are here on Earth. The Ceramic Airlines, the ones that evangeline saved their on earth, apparently they never left Alex after they helped eventually and create Leviathan she imprisoned them held them to a short concert supply star stones to feed her growing population shock. You're sure of this completely aware. Where on earth all that, sadly I'm not sure yet, but a maiden uneasy alliance to find out exactly where they are the lions, with whom, with the black door with black door, our sworn enemy, the people who caused more and more deaths than Dende signal, age attrition black door, the ones that just killed Nathaniel, my God you really have lost any. Any sense of feelings, haven't you let me ask you? Have you lost your mind as well? Essentially, it's a partnership and it won't be a lasting. Of course it won't the cure you betray your the fresh translate, get black doors, and working with the aliens in helping orchestrate a breakout from leviathan abandoned has kept them prisoner Froth, thousand years and ask such they are wary of immortals there somewhere somewhere in the whole network may think I have a way to find. What will you do? Let's say that black doesn't stab you when you're asleep and let's say there's even a little bit of your soul left. How does any of this helpful rebel? If I can find the aliens and speak to them then I can convince them to give us the star stone, not evangeline. Maybe they can even help us devise a genetic sequencing to avoid the star stone altogether it'll be a chance to be truly free Alex to liberate the aliens and make sure that our people will never have to know the shadow of dental allusion ascension. Kill us. Get what they want from you and then throw you away like tissue paper. Have you considered that you might be wrong that the aliens may present you as much as eventually and may refuse to help you, and then they're black or saviors. We'll have to be removed from the equation entirely. An Albena position to exact revenge. What about the aliens don't help us the aliens? We'll have to learn that incarceration and Leviathan will be paradise compared to what I'll do to them. I will save my people Alex and at this point I don't care if I have to kill a few accidents to do it. In a tenement building in Washington, Heights Jason Sterling stood in the middle of a dilapidated living room, staring at Rebecca in Kazunori Tanaka his young son Toshi hypodermic needles, used condoms and small past files with strewn in the corners of the Filthy Room Toshi and Rebecca Setanta, cheap polyester couch, with expose springs, digging into the back of thighs or Jason, sterling stood staring at them, though not them so much as Toshi, the young boy and red skinned man had been stowing into without a word for ten minutes finally Rebecca spoke. So so, what are you going to do to us? I said. What are you going to do to us? Hey I asked you. A question will not position to ask you. The question Jason Styling stormed out to the decrepit living room and marched in the Jason Bedroom Rebecca look down at the young boy who seemed unfazed by the sudden outburst. He gets mad during the day. The light from outside hurts and. Has He ever hurt you know, but sometimes we forget to eat. Are you hungry right now? A little l.? What's your name? Tell Sh Koshi. I'm Rebecca. Rebecca rose and walked into the bedroom where she found the shades drawn tightly, and only a small fluorescent lamp in the corner, provided any illumination in the room. She slowly approached the redskins man, sitting in the corner with his head in his hands. I don't know who you are, but you need to feed Toshi. He's just a little boy and and a menu on the floor in the kitchen fine. Should, I? Can't something I mean. Do you want something? Eating. Please, can I ask you something Jason failed to respond patio so made no out best to stop her. Why why did you kidnapped me? You were quested requested by who is someone who's been alive for a few centuries and felt that you were needed for a certain tasks. I'm just a librarian a good one, but I'm not sure what task you have in mind. Would you please tell me fortunately I don't know. But a very important job is going to be completed in the next twenty four hours, and for some reason this a things. You are an integral part. How do you I? Don't want to hear your questions anymore. Jason moves with blinding speed at Rebecca and brought his fist back about to smash Rebecca space when Jones Toshi. She stood in the doorway, staring at Jason Sterling. We need to order food. Will be quiet. Don't hurt her by fired. His log as you to shut the hell. Jason retreated back into the dark bedroom, leaving Toshi and Rebecca alone in the living room. You, you don't seem scare. Him IOS always now not so much. Why because I can sense what he's thinking? Get All be okay soon. How can you say that? We both been conduct by a monster? Why aren't you scared? Because he doesn't have very much time left anymore. Brooklyn. Off. No gay marriage was legalized new. York taking the city. Don't flatter yourself. This is how we get to the safehouse. Horse the St she was a train station all along your largest transit system in America here. You're going to need the. into his backpack and handed session a pair of night vision goggles. He also removed a small laptop computer from his bag and booted up. WIT ignored the question and tapped furiously into October. August creighton. One, we've the drink with is the last stop on the six hundred me to get off. Sit Down and shut up. Session clenched his fists and forced himself to think of the two aliens that now lost somewhere in the s on a killers imbecile so badly. That I need to find aliens. The rebellion could save all of them. The southbound six train had reached its Thomas at Manhattan southern tip. The train held for a long time the city whole Brooklyn Bridge Stop while all of the passengers on the train filtered out soon wit, and sent him with the only people left in the subway. Is this your safehouse a subway? Dumb, the subway doors slam shut. And the train latched forward and began a slow crawl into the dark tunnel. Ahead it followed. It's typical path of meandering access roads and tunnels to bring the train around the northbound subway tracks where it would reverse journey and bring New York City commuters towards Harlem in the Bronx. The train shuffled and Bob. During the recess tracks several minutes before sanctions, attention was slowly drawn to the window. He expected to arrive. Arrive at the northbound portion of city will station, but instead the train passed by a different station, an empty station, one with exquisite Thomas Exploiting skylights, brass, fixtures and gas light chandeliers not associate on the platform, and sunshine felt like he had been transported back into the nineteen twenties. Get ready wits fingle flew across the keyboard one last time before pressing, enter at which point is stopped and every single interior. Interior and exterior lights extinguished goggles on with some sunshine each activated their night vision goggles, illuminating the interior of the subway car and a Pale Green Pallor, even though it was past ten o'clock at night, the moonlight streaming in from the skylights of the station made the platform seem as bright as day hurry following with picked up his backpack and quickly walked to the back of the car and opened the rear. Rear door to enter the space between the railcars, he definitely climbed over the protective gate and jumped down to stand on subway tracks. Watch out for the third rail session I. Don't think your immortality will protect you. From seven hundred volts of electricity ascension hated being in the position of following wit, and not knowing exactly where they were going, he cussed himself and not being aware of this abandoned subway station. Station for being ignorant at the black dog created a safe house within his own city soon ascension of wit climbed up to the main captain. They ran inside one of the site entranceways station with a few key strokes on his laptop. The light says station came back on and the formerly stored six train rumble to a noisy stocks, and continued its northbound journey on the east side of Manhattan. Bow, you meet! Meet the rest of the T. the hair on sanctions on stood up as he realized that he was finally going to meet his Nemesis Jason Sterling. The man behind door number twelve, the man that was responsible for the deaths of countless immortals for a fellow for Koru, for Nathaniel. He had waited a long time for this meeting. He followed West around the corner, and back onto the main platform which curved. Curved heavily towards the laughed as they walked further more and more of the platform revealed itself finally it revealed three figures standing still staring at the two men approaching, it was a strange combination sensual, thought a young Japanese void, maybe five or six years old, wearing dirty school uniform and a tool woman with chestnut, hair and glasses in the middle of them to task image of a man. The person was bowled. bowled wearing oversized fatigue pants boots, and held a trench coat in his swollen hand, he also wore the tattoos of a white button shirt, ripped, and completely open at the chest, revealing his deeply inflamed skin that seemed to glow Crimson. He looks more muscular than typically fit human with bulges and codes that seemed abnormal in places. His eyes were solid block of ruby color. His muscles tightened. Dissension approached Jason Stir. I've waited a long time to me. You're not what I expect Zengin leader of the immortal. I think it's very safe to say that I've been looking forward to meeting you as well. The two men stead each other with hatred with says you know how to find the aliens? Your people enslaved. US certainly hope for your sake that you can. My people were belt from Leviathan and risk their lives in order to live in freedom. I know that I'm risking my life right now for the freedom of two sense. I've never met, so do not take a sanctimonious tone with me murderer, because whether you realize it or not, you are very much riskier. Riskier own life right now you're in my station, my safe house. You very outnumber I watch your step very carefully I've got hundreds of immortals buried in every corner of the globe, watching from every street corner, employed every major bank and entrenched in every single intelligence agency. If you'd be so stupid to even think of hurting me, I will make sure that a war of viciousness has brought down upon you. That will last you the rest of your very short life. You're not black door anymore. All your powers gone. You're just a mute. That's been outcasts with nowhere left to run. You will not last long in my. If you don't cooperate with us and locate the aliens quickly, the world may very soon become one. You no longer recognize Jason is burn holes in session, and then finally turned to wit. We need to get out of the OVA understood. We have seven minutes until the next train I'll get the lock told me when you're ready. Wit Wit, and twenty odds further long platform placed his hand on the title wall. Ready Jason to squat, scarlet, stained man approached when the antiquated wooden ten stars. Sunshine watched him ten ten star, two clicks clockwise, and then one counterclockwise, and then two more again in the other directions, the doors open. We have four seconds before. Relax immediately. Whip up, it's. It's hand reached for the mosaic subway tile on the other side of the station that read City Hall. He traced his finger three towels down on the letter. C. and press the third tall inward five feet, left of wit robots, and almost indiscernible, cracking the wool widened, and a tile doorway recessed in would to reveal an entrance inside of the station, local doors safe house. The station censure was amazed he had lived in new. York for over seventy years, and had spent time there for over a century he prided himself on knowing secrets it speakeasy architecture and its underbelly. He had never seen a structure hidden so well and in such plain sight. Is this a condensed Stein Sanctuary? True Safehouse I'm impressed. It may not be sutton manner, but it does keep prying eyes away. especially satellites and anyone thinking of following us the next day come. We have to hurry test. She went towards the opening in the wolf. Fest ascension was surprised by the Boise. Guinness realized that he may have just welcomed the charts to increase the distance between him and the monstrosity that was Jason Sterling. Sterling wit followed while the young woman stood nervously Jason Stead at has sinisterly after you my did. The woman began to shake visitti sensual closer to. It's Okay I. Promise you that no one is going to hurt. You will be my job from here on out to take care of you. The woman seem to relax slightly at the tone of his voice. Who Are you? My name is sunshine. I know you're scared right now, but everything will make sense. Place when he general safe out extremist compensation gesture towards the opening in the subway ward Rebecca took another hard luck sanction and entered the station safes sanction quickly followed behind her with Jason. Entering lost and put him on the enclosure interior. Does seat in the chamber again just before the next six train rambled through this way. Jason pushed past Rebecca in session and walked down the narrow stone hallway. The scratched floor was concrete, but the size of the war continued with deal. Nate mosaic subway toss found in the rest of the station. Check patterns in accented with long lines of Maroon. Brown and sand gave the interior a warm art deco feeling exposed filament bulbs cost yellow lights, illuminating the path down to the lower level, the three of them walked down, carved stone steps with polished brass railings, and both sides leading them to. To. A pair of wooden doors with the large brass plate overhead that read city of New York, Auxiliary Streetcar Terminal Storage was originally intended as storage chamber where they used to keep the extra trolley cars in the nineteen twenties and thirties, but after was constructed, never got used as the largest subway cars became popular. I couldn't fit through the now tunnels. The original entrance was destroyed as the subway system was expanded. So this run station doesn't show up. Almost blueprints doe number twelve created their own access decades ago. Although it, I have refined the interface. Jason, through the doors fully open. And censure was astounded by what he saw. This station safehouse was almost half a football field in length Galarza. Volt tiled ceiling extended up over twenty feet, and was supported by thick currently in limestone pillars, several flat screen monitors covered the right side of the wall display news channels closed circuit, camera, footage and satellite reconnaissance over geographic region suspension couldn't identify at the end of the war with several large rack mounted servers. Servers and an adjacent cray XC, six processing unit, but on the other side of the room with several refrigerators, as well as open shelves, containing scores of dried noodles, canned vegetables and Maurice in cases of bottled water, further on the wall, appeared to be a wine rack as well as a card table, backgammon board on the other side of the room, was a stainless steel, appreciating table with several glass cabinets have. Have First Aid supplies through one of the open doors on the right. Centene could see a row of carts as well as shower stalls, the safe house was clearly designed for someone to hide and wait for a very long period of time and sunshine couldn't stop himself from feeling envious. We don't have much time censure. I've set up the room on the left the way you've asked. The five of them entered the. The Nancy Chamber to the left that it served as a maintenance room for the streetcars, workbenches and tools both olden, shockingly new lay side by side with each other beside one workbench was a large pod like structure that was half constructed as well as several rows of test tubes, because in centrifuges, a wooden chair sat in the middle of the room on top of several layers of blankets and doubloon industrial top. Over here Rebecca. I don't know what you people want from me. I don't have much money, but nobody will ever have to. Back it's okay that's going to be all right. You've no idea. How much mysterious are you? We've never met I. Don't know you of course. please. Sitara like what said we don't have much time. What with please restrict what? What the fuck? What doing. Got Me Whitlow robots moved quickly robbing several zip ties from the hardware Rackham for war, and restrained Rebecca's risk to the odds of the. I'm sorry we have to do. What are you doing to me all? We know. Down in sort through the large Satchel. He carried with him. He removed a bright orange prostate case as well as a strange set of oversized sunglasses with thick heavy rims that seemed like they would cut a most of a person's face. He picked them up and place them on Becky's face, encompassing most of her forehead nose, she could see nothing but blackness Sensu then opened the at case and removed prepared hypodermic needle. Rebecca couldn't see the needle, but she could hear sentence footsteps close. Just GonNa help your. Body. Sunshine prestigious small button the glasses harder becker. Releasing, a violent flood of light pulses, colors and patterns, Rebecca's body shuddered, and then suddenly fell silent. which and Jason Sterling stood at the far end of the war. Watching before sanctions is drifted lower. The boys shouldn't be. Here doesn't need to see this thing Toshi. Are you afraid you want us to take into another room? You could be alone. Now there you have it then. Young boy has a man stumped censh- instead at the strange Japanese boy, before tending his attention back to Rebecca after a moment of stillness, Rebecca's stomach twitched abruptly, and have fingers began to tremble nervously within moments her whole body shouted it, and soon she started vomiting uncontrollably towards lots of her chest, strained creeped up to the increase in road in the bodies, violence psalmist seconds later Rebecca's rags kicked out like she was possessed and reduced bought into convulsing uncontrolled. chillier ascension, no! No it's just part of the process. Snake shutting skin. Rebecca Kim and fell silent again and had body calmer finally them. Century approached has slowly and removed the large heavy glasses from her face, and lovingly wipe the hair from his sweaty brow. He kissed her cheek lightly, and Rebecca's is gradually fluttered open. Becker Sinjin. Long for. About fifteen years. See. Feels good to be back. 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